Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 39: Kind of Loco

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Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. It's Wednesday and that means that we're recapping one of our old shows with all new commentary and updates and insights.

Today we're recapping episode 39, which we named Kind of Loco. Join us as we journey back to October 19th, 2016, the date of the final presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

This is a crying emoji, crying emoji. Let's listen to the intro of episode 39.
Are you ready to make some magic? Do you know magic? Yeah, I know up-close magic. I can't do distance magic, though.
Sorry. I'll live.
Welcome to My Favorite Murder. I'm Karen Kilgariff.
I'm Georgia Hardstark. And together we're Hardkill.
Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Yes.
Playing along. Yes.
Yes. How's it going? Hey, it's good.
How are you? We're at a different speed this week week somebody wrote us on twitter and said that on the last episode we seemed hysterical which i agree i think we were slightly hysterical we were just like we were just like ramped up one notch yeah i was it was like powering through it like i need to get through this but it was fun we had a great time that time. That's all that matters.
Yeah. We enjoyed ourselves.
I mean, who wants a droll, boring murder comedy podcast? I mean, yeah, I don't think most people. If you've come here for a narrative true crime podcast, then just add Adderall and that's what you fucking have.
It's like that.'s similar yeah uh we're actually on uh physician's grade cocaine now that's this that's the secret to this podcast i wonder what that's like it's pretty great if you had a chance never mind if i could do a drug again no but like but like if someone was like this is this this physician's grade, like government, whatever the fuck drug. Would you do it? Which drug? Like Coke, let's say.
Sure. Well, I can't.
You mean like if, if I didn't have any of my, I have all kinds of neurological disorders because I did all that. Don't do drugs, kids.
It's not worth it. It's totally only because of that.
You wouldn't have had the melons? It's a theory. They can't, you know, having epilepsy or seizure disorder, they don't know why exactly unless they look at your brain like...
Dropped on your head. Close up.
I was dropped on my head. Shut the fuck up.
I didn't tell you that? I think you probably did. I did.
My mom tripped over my high chair when I was six months old. Oh my God.
I don't think I knew this. Yeah.
And she broke her arm. We both fell and I hit my head and had to get stitches.
I still have a tiny, tiny scar. But I'm totally the serial killer as we have discussed in this podcast because I had that.
I'm going to have to kill you before you kill me. Okay.
That makes sense, right? I think that'd be a great way to go. Just do it.
Creep up behind me. Okay.
As a favor. Oh yeah.
No, you got it. But no stabbing.
Slicing? Please julienne me to death. I know you love cooking.
I love cooking. I'm going to julienne you.
And a light saute. I'm going to put you in a Cuisinart.
I'm going to serve you. Yeah.
Yeah, don't do drugs, you guys. Don't do drugs.
We did them for you. We can come back and tell you.
It's not what it's cut out to be. It's like how my dad used to say he would never get cable.
We lived way out in the country, so we only got four channels and he wouldn't get cable. He'd go, hey, we have that in the firehouse.
It's no good. You'd be like, let us try.
We'll decide if we like it or not. Decided for you.
Yep. It's protected you guys from so much.
And yet,

it didn't work.

And yet, here we are.

Oh, sorry.

Hit the fucking...

Oh, wait.

Go ahead.

What was I gonna...

Yeah, don't do drugs.

I know we're gonna get some email of some mommy.

I'm like, I listen with my 12-year-old girl

and you're telling her to do drugs.

Oh, guess what, mom?

Don't listen with your 12-year-old.

I won't even have it. I listen with my 12-year-old.
This is a comedy murder podcast. It is highly inappropriate that anybody would be listening to this.
At that point, that's on you, mommy. Yes.
Like, don't come at us. Mommy.
And then like that night, she goes to bed and then looks in the doorway and there's a glint of silver. Who's that? One of you up? Yeah.
I'm a lake

mommy. High on angel dust.

Like government

quality angel dust. Because you

wouldn't let us warn your children off of angel

dust. Yeah.
You stopped. You pressed stop

at the point where we were talking about doing drugs and

didn't listen to the rest of the podcast where we said

don't do drugs. Where we said do not under any

circumstances ever do drugs. No.
I mean

we did them and look at us now.

We're fucking Daryl.

God, I look like I'm about 62.

Yeah, unsuccessful.

But, but no's.

I just had a couple thank yous from the Twitter page.

Oh, I love it.

Because people send us amazing, great stuff.

The best.

Can I do some off Instagram then?

Sure.

Your Twitter and I'm Instagram.

Why are you saying it like that? Nope. Only me.
Only Twitter. You absolutely can.
I love it. We just had Courtney sent us pictures of her.
She didn't name the person in the picture with her, but it was a picture of the two of them. They had carved pump.
Oh, I have it. And I have the name of the girl because they both posted it.
And I was like, I'm going to give them both a shout out because what a bummer. Okay, this is the Instagram area and I've overstepped.
No, but they tweeted it, then you retweet it. Yes, but there was no names.
Okay. Well, I just have no time.
They carved Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered, and You're in a Cult, Call Your Dad, into pumpkins, which must have taken hours. Yeah, yeah.
I can't carve a fucking pumpkin like that. Every time I try to carve a pumpkin, it's disappointing.
And you cut your hand and you get that goop in it. And halfway through, you're like, what though? I don't give a shit.
I'm not going to eat these pumpkin seeds. A triangle for an eye.
Fine. You know what? He's a cyclops.
You know what? One triangle eye and one tooth. Boom.
Done. Can I have another glass of wine, please? And I don't want to eat these fucking disgusting pumpkins.
You know. Ooh, let's cook them up.
No, I'm not in second grade. I'm not falling for pumpkin seeds ever again.
This is tangent hour. But you need the fiber.
Do you know the names? I don't. Okay.
But they're sweet baby angels. It was Courtney at Coffin Bugs is her Twitter handle.
Okay. Well, then the other girl is Wandering Lamb on Instagram.
Sweet. It could be the same girl right it might very well

but either way they're friends and i'm and i think they're both tagged in the instagram okay good if her name is on twitter coffin bugs and then on instagram wandering lamb that girl contains multitudes absolutely god bless her soul um but then david whose twitter handle is hello dabwood which is kind of like Dagwood

but with a B as in boy

made an animated GIF of us

driving David, whose Twitter handle is Hello Dabwood, which is kind of like Dagwood, but with a B as in boy, made an animated GIF of us driving a car. I'm driving.
You've got Elvis on your lap. There's a lightning storm in this car.
I can't. And then when the lightning hits, there's a murderer in the backseat.
But it is so charming and well done and like adorable. Beautiful.
You showed it to me when you got here because I didn't, because Twitter overwhelms me. And like, it's the best thing I've ever fucking seen.
Isn't it the best? Yeah. I think Instagram, for me, I think that if you want to see the cool shit that people make for our show, which is a fucking ton of stuff, Instagram.com slash My Favorite Murder or just My Favorite Murder Instagram.
I just, I'm constantly posting stuff on that because of other people's stuff. Yeah, they make so much.
It's very cool. It's just, it's crazy.
And fun. And fun and so talented.
I love all those artists that are like, I was listening to you and I started sketching this thing and then it turns into this beautiful... Yeah.
And then people are like, I want this as a shirt. And then they go make money.
I'm like, go make fucking money. I know.
It's so cool. Another murderinos, buy it.
I'm so happy for them. Just one last one, which was Allison, her Twitter handle is Turbo Alley.
And she had been listening to an old episode and reminded everybody, please clean out your lint trap in your dryer. Please.
And it makes me happy that she tweeted it. But I want to remind people as as well I worry about your homes burning down a lot because that's my personal neuroses well your father was a fireman an equally neurotic fireman who would yell at us if there was even a hint of lint in the lint trap so I'm doing the same to you that reminds me that there there is this thing on Alyssa.
Is that who she is? It might be the same girl. Alyssa on our Facebook group made something called Georgia and Karen's Rules for How to Stay Sexy and Not Get Murdered or Not Be a Murderer or Murder Suspect.
Her name is Joanna Groom. I don't know.
I think it's her website. Oh, okay.
But there's a couple. This is a running list that I will continue to add to as G and K continue to preach.
Number one, if you came here to learn, you're in the wrong place. That's right.
Number two, guys, if you ever find something, say something or you look fucking suspicious. Your parents won't get mad at you for being on someone's land if you find a skull.
Number three, if you find a body, you should tell someone. That's true.
Number four, guys, do not sell your government secrets. And it goes on and on for like, it's at like, oh my god, it's at like 129 at this point.
Jesus Christ. I want to give out the website, but I don't know what it is.
Well, it's on the Facebook page, right? I'll put it on the Facebook page. Yeah.
Cool. That's hilarious.
MFM Podcast is the Facebook page. Thank you, Joanna, for keeping that list.
It's fucking great. I love it.
That's hilarious. What do you got? What corner do you have? I have, oh my God, I got recognized corner.
Oh. Which is always fun.
This is separate from San Francisco. Yeah.
But the girl messaged me on Instagram that it was her. Oh, nice.
And it was like her. She had just gotten engaged and she saw me and she was so excited.
Oh. I know.
Congratulations. That's a good omen.
Yeah. Seeing me or getting engaged.
Her seeing you right when she got engaged. Yeah.
That's exciting. That maybe she won't get murdered by her future husband.
Well, you never know. You don't ever know.
Oh, so I was walking out of a juice place in Los Feliz. And some girl just goes, my favorite burger.
Which I totally get because like you see someone, you're like, I just have to say the thing that I know you from immediately because I didn't stop and like say what, you know? Right. And I was like, yeah, like held the juices over my head in triumph.
And I was like, thank you. Because it was the first time I got recognized like in my neighborhood,, that's crazy.
And she was a cool hipster girl like we all are around here. I love that.
Well, I have one. April and I were eating in the diner we always eat at.
April Richardson, everyone's favorite, adorable. From Go Bayside podcast and stand-up comedy.
And you were eating in a diner as you do. We were eating in a diner as we do.
And a girl walked by outside and then walked in, pulled out her earbuds and just said, I just want to let you know, I love your podcast. I think she may have said I'm listening to it right now.
Oh my God. That's always been like a dream of walking by someone whose podcast I'm listening to.
Wouldn't that be the weirdest feeling in the world? But I might be just saying that because that would be a really good part of the story. Let's go with it.
But I feel like she did. Let's go with it.
But anyway, that was kind of exciting. And then she left and April goes, this is like a hard day's night.
I was like, it's really not. It's exactly like that.
It's totally. Us getting chased through the street by one person who politely came into the diner.
Politely came in quietly and then immediately left as we sat at a table. Yeah, eating salad.
Fun times. Thanks for your support and love, you guys.
It really means a lot to us. This is weird and fun and we love it.
And oh my God, I can't believe it. It was weird.
That was Freak Out Corner. Yeah.
There's so many corners. There's like too many corners.
I don't think that it equals an actual room. No, no.
It's a mansion. It's a mansion of corners.
Did you want to talk about last week when I had to drop in the correct? What if I did it again? Because it's now changed again. Do it, please.
It's my favorite. So I'm listening to my own podcast.
Quality control, man. I mean, we can say that or we could call it ego non-control, whatever it takes.
Quality control. I enjoy listening back because when we do it, oftentimes it's just a blur and then I go, oh, we did say that's funny.
Yeah. Or do you the thing where you picture someone like that you like listening to the podcast? Yes.
This is what I sound like. That's when I stop listening because then I'm like, oh, no.
You know what I keep doing is, what the fuck is wrong with my laugh? Next week, Georgia, control your laugh. It's like goofy and fucking...
Don't you dare. The worst thing in the world you could do is change or control your laugh.
I learned that in stand-up comedy. Oh yeah.
Because in comedy, standing in the back, you're always trying to get people to know you're laughing at their joke. But if you try to have like, say a feminine laugh or whatever, just be just in that one arena, let yourself be authentic and don't worry about what people think because it's the most natural response that you can have.
And you should let it come out. Even if it's a big snorting goose laugh, I love snorting laugh.
Well, can I I, in that fucking vein, can I tell you, can I admit something to you? Is this going to get sad? Yeah. Okay.
I'm a scream sneezer. I didn't know it.
I didn't fucking know it until this weekend. In past episodes, if you're fucking, if you're new.
Hi. Hi, welcome.
We've talked about scream sneezers before. Yeah, and I have a real problem with them.
I do too. But apparently.
It overcame you? No, I do it all the time and I never realized it. And I asked Vince and he was, I'm like, am I a scream sneezer? Because he knows we've talked about it.
And he was like, no, you're not. And I was like, what the fuck? Vince, the best husband in the world.
Such a sweet angel. I wouldn't call it screaming.
It's the same thing when I asked, do I snore? Oh, no, you're cute. You know, like, wouldn't.
I saw a yes, I fucking snore. Yeah, I scream sneeze.
I mean, listen, as long as it's okay that I get mad. Oh, I don't care.
Because scream sneezing legitimately scares me. It's terrifying.
My mom does it too. Yeah.
I had a roommate that all of a sudden it would just be like the weirdest thing in the world that you can ever be prepared for. No.
All right. Maybe we now know that scream sneezers don't know that they're scream sneezing.
It's true. And also that they can't control it.
We did get a tweet from somebody who was like, some people can't control it. And she was clearly very hurt.
I'm sorry if you were hurt. I'm a person of very strong opinions.
But I also go back on those opinions oftentimes. It's fun to be very adamant about things that you really don't give a shit about, honestly, in real life.
I mean, it's like by way of a podcast. We're trying to make the time go by before we die.
Entertainment, people. This is what it's about.
This is it. Oh, you know what I was going to say, which we don't do this that often when it's like an off-topic thing, but I just want to say our friends Pat Walsh and Joda Rosa have a podcast called We'll See You in Hell that I listen to all the time and never plug or give a shout-out to you, and I don't know why.
It's really funny if you like two dudes that

fight about like movies. Those are the two most there.
If you like people who will argue anything,

you know, like either side, those dudes, I can't believe they're friends.

I know. It's great.
It's you watch their friendship kind of deteriorate and build back up every

episode. But they're both softies so that they like then feel bad.
They're fucking hilarious, both of them. And it's fun because you can either watch the movie along with them.
In the beginning, they used to watch the movie and discuss it as it went, and then you could watch it along with them. Yeah, it's always like a B-horror movie, right? Yeah, I think they kind of opened it up.
So it's kind of like whatever movies they want now. Now they just kind of discuss them.
But anyway, it's totally worth your time if you are into horror movies, regular movies, or just taking our recommendations. And they're both fucking hilarious.
Hilarious people. Comedy writers, people.
Good friends. We like them.
Yeah, comedians. Good stuff.
They've never murdered anyone as far as we know. I just had that realization.
I was listening to their podcast over the weekend. I was like, I genuinely like this.
I should at least say that. That's really nice of you.
I think that we should recommend a friend's podcast every episode. Yeah, it might be good.
Or just things that we actually are watching like Poldark. Like what? Remember? So I said to Georgia, a lot of people have asked us, are we going to talk about Amanda Knox? That Amanda Knox special, which you wrote about, right? For Elle Magazine, yeah, online.
So if you haven't read Georgia's column about it for Elle Magazine, look that up because Georgia does her whole summation. Thank you.
I didn't watch it because Georgia told me she didn't like it. And so I was like, well, if she didn't like it, I'm not going to like it.
Yeah. I don't think you needed to.
And I'm not interested in that case because it's a one-off did she, didn't she, pretty girl. There's all kinds of elements that I don't enjoy.
Well, you know what the biggest element is, is that the victim really has nothing to do with the whole story. And I don't like that.
Yeah. They're completely forgotten.
Yeah. That sucks.
Like her foot, her crime scene photo with her foot sticking out of the blanket got more airtime than her face did. And it's just like, I just don't like those stories.
Right. Yeah.
And it probably feels unsatisfying. Yeah.
And I mean, even though it sucks, the JonBenét Ramsey story, at least it's called the JonBenét Ramsey. It's not called the Patsy and Jon Ramsey story.
It's like about her. Yes.
But this is about, it's called Amanda Knox. Yeah.
You know? Yeah. I don't like that.
Yeah. And so Georgia wrote back, I texted and said, do you want me to watch it so we can have a discussion about it? And Georgia basically said, I didn't like it.
So, and then I went, well, if you didn't like it, I'm not gonna like it. And immediately tried to get out of my homework.
And then I said, go ahead. No, no, go ahead.
I said, just watch a British procedural. And so I immediately downloaded seasons one and two of Poldark.
If you like- P-O-L-E. P-O-L-D-A-R-K.
Poldark. That's his last name.
Oh. Ross Poldark.
If you like bodice rippers combined with a mining, the politics of living in a mining town.

Oh, that's my favorite topic.

I mean, who wouldn't?

Right there on the coast of England.

Yeah.

Get in.

That's what I majored in.

Get in there.

I didn't go to college.

Someone's going to write and be like, they're in Wales or whatever.

I don't fucking know.

It was one big green mountain and I loved it.

I watched every episode.

Oh, I like that.

I'm never going to watch it.

Perfect. Congratulations.
All right, we're back. Hi, you guys.
We're back. This was, I must, I think I was a couple of drinks in on this one.
I mean, perhaps, but whatever, better than Adderall. I would love a poll of how many podcasters aren't drunk as they do.
They're always on chat shows. It'd be great to know.
It's kind of necessary. I think just for like the chitty chattiness of it all.
Yeah, I'm not a social butterfly. Well, and also there is a reason and I don't know what it is and I wonder if you do that they were saying that we were hysterical on the episode before.
I know. I didn't notice.
We were just excited. Maybe the moon was in a place that makes you hysterical.
Hysterical. I don't know what it is.
I mean, I guess. I guess I'm trying to get us to talk about other people's opinions.
It's not our opinion. If they're right, they're right.
I'm not going to argue. It's from 2016.
I will say this. At this time, I used to go to George's house.
It would be like 730 at night. And I would drink her leftover coffee from that morning.
And I would take a cup of her old coffee sitting in the coffee pot and I'd throw it in the microwave and I'd drink my nighttime coffee as you drank your nighttime bev. And we got through that episode.
Wow. Could have just been an imbalance of caffeine.
Yeah. Or I had caffeine at night, which is always a bad idea for me.
Yeah. The historical significance of this episode is we first start talking about scream sneezing.
Yeah. And I don't think there's been a sneeze that's gone by since there that I didn't think about that.
And you bringing that up in this episode. So it's kind of like become embedded.
You admit you are one. I know.
And I didn't realize it. Also, when anyone else does it now, I'm like, shit, there's, oh my God, like when Vince does it sometimes, you know? Which you should.
It's like the release of it. It's what it's kind of all about.
I'm a screamy honor. I know that for sure.
Yeah. It's the thing.
I feel like maybe it's easier to not be those things if you just scream all the time. Just be a scream person.
Keep that volume up. Just be a screamer.
We always tell you guys. Oh, did you see that thing about that some girl wrote up those rules, but Allison can't find them? It's such a bummer because they're good.
Yeah. Guys, can you find them? Or are you that girl? Please repost them.
We want to see the rules. Alyssa might not be into this podcast anymore, so maybe she has deleted her list of rules.
But if that's not the case, anything's possible in nine years. She found out that we didn't vote for Trump.
And she's like, forget it. Bye.
My research is over. All right.
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Goodbye. I'm sure we murder time.
Let's murder it up. I'm excited about mine.
Mine is or four pages yeah this one's six i'm not gonna go i'm not gonna take up all the time but there's just so much information do you want to jump right in yeah can i go first do it i think i'm first this time yeah all right and it's very important whether or not yes we know who's otherwise we just get so much hate mail. Yeah.
That's not true either. All right.
Karen. Yes.
I mentioned it last week. Are you ready for the Texas eyeball killer? Oh, that's right.
Yes, I am. Are you? Are you sure? Yeah, I really am.
Okay. I've got my protective eyewear on.
Yeah. If people have, I was thinking about how a lot of people have eyeball like- Issues.
They're gross. The eyeballs are gross and attacking eyeballs are gross.
Attacking eyeballs is fucked. Yeah.
Like what is wrong with you? Yeah. Don't worry.
I don't get too into like the gory eyeball details, but there's a couple of things and he's called the fucking Texas eyeball killer. So he did some, some stuff that we need to really look into.
Yes. Okay.
Are you ready for it? I think I am. Here we go.
So on December 13th, 1990, in the Oak Cliff neighborhood of Dallas, Texas, the body of Mary Lou Pratt was found. She was a 33-year-old well-known prostitute in the area.
I don't know what well-known means. It's like that everyone hang out.
Was friends with her. Yeah.

A sex worker, I think we're supposed to say.

Yeah. Sex worker.
She was last seen in mid-December on a Dallas street corner trying to pick up clients and her body was found at 4.20 in the morning on a Dallas street, just on a street,

laying face up. She had a bra and t-shirt on.
I saw the crime scene photo.

Bad news. Her shirt was pulled up.
I mean, yeah. It's very bad news.
She had been shot in the back of the head with a .44 caliber gun. So the medical examiner said that the killer had removed both of her eyes and taken them with him.
I wish he hadn't done that. Yeah, man.
Let's see here. And they were removed post-mortem with such precision that there was no damage to the upper or lower lid.
And then it goes on to explain the intricacies of removing an eyeball and all the things, which I won't get into, but it's complex. It's not like, you don't pluck.
No, no. My mom used to work in the ophthalmology department at Kaiser.
Oh God, no. So I, not to in any way say, because of that, I know anything about removing.
So you do it all the time then. But I think I've seen that poster of the, the like medical poster of the eye more than I would have liked to.
Right. Like what connects this to that? Yeah.
Well, he did that all without like fucking any of that up. That's okay.
So clearly he has an understanding of medical. This is, it's very Jack the Ripper-y.
Yes. But in 1990.
Yeah. She also had blunt force injuries and, but the cause of death was a gunshot wound.
So then in Februaryary on february 10th 1991 so just a couple months later in south dallas outside the semi city limits susan peterson who was also a sex worker was found dead so she was found dead shot three times and twice in the head and once in her boob, breast, I think I'm supposed to say.

And she also had her eyes removed.

And what's weird is that the person closed the lids after he did it too.

So they weren't found to have their eyes missing until they got their autopsies.

It's all intentional and it's all tricky and creepy.

Like what do you think your motive would be to take eyes?

It's like seriously. Yeah, because it's not gouging out.
Like don't look at me. No, stabby stab.
Yeah, it's removal. Like I'll, as if it's evidence.
Like taking them. Yeah.
Okay. So two months later, after Susan Peterson was found, the body of a 27 year old woman was found in the same area Oh, wait, no.
This is Susan Peterson. Sorry.
She was found at 7.45 a.m. And she worked in the same neighborhood as the first woman.
And she was walking the streets looking for clients, found Ling face up with only a shirt on, pulled up over her breasts. The same MO.
Same exact way to find the woman. Yes.
So then a month after the second victim was found on March 18th, 1991, Shirley Williams, who was a 42 year old woman working as a part-time sex worker in Dallas, was found dead. And she was completely nude.
She had facial bruises and a broken nose and had been shot in the face through the top of the head. Steven, are you going to vomit? You're kind of like, you're kind of, you're moving in a way that's...
Eyeballs freak me out too. Do they? Do you want to go sit in the other room? No, no, I'll be okay.
Okay. Let me know if you needed some air.
You look, I kind of saw you weaving in the background. Like, oh no.
She had superficial injuries around the eyes and face and part of an X-Acto knife blade was found in one of the wounds. Sorry, eye wounds? No, no, no, no.
Okay, okay, okay. Fucking God.
Oh, so she was stabbed hard enough that it broke off? What broke off? No, yeah, I think he stabbed her and it broke off. Yeah, that's not good.
Both eyes had been removed. So then a pair of patrol officers cut to this.
After the first three women had been found, two cops remembered an incident from a few months prior. There was a woman named Veronica Rodriguez, also a sex worker, and she claimed she had been attacked and she claimed she had been taken into the woods and raped, then ran to a friend's house and he rescued her.
so the the rescuer was a guy who was a truck driver named um axton schindler and um he said

he was only giving her a ride didn't know anything about the attack or the injuries, super shady and weird. But the police questioned him and his address was 1035 El Dorado Street.
So they wondered if the attacker was the eyeball killer. And they decided to re-question Schindler to find out if he had seen something.
He was a weirdo himself. He collected trash and stuff.
So they discovered that 1035 Eldorado wasn't actually his address. He'd put a fake address on the license out of paranoia, but the property belonged to someone named Fred Albright, but he was dead.
So a couple months go by, they're trying to figure out who this fucking killer is. And then a deputy overhears them talking about this whole situation of Schindler and Albright.
And he remembers a phone call weeks before with a woman who said that she was friends with one of the victims of the eyeball killer. So she had been friends with Mary Lou Pratt, the first victim.
And she said that the victim had once dated a man named Charles Albright. And the reason that stuck out to her was that he had a weird obsession with eyes and kept X-Acto knife blades in his attic.
In his what? Attic? Attic. I always say addict.
But you mean the room above your house? Attic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know why I do that. Okay.
I just want to make sure. No, you're addict.
That's what I fucking kept it in his attic, his friend who was an addict. Did you hold these for me? Hey, man.
He did. Hey, man.
I got some real good government coke. so Charles this fucking addict dude was the son of the guy who

owned that home.

Okay.

So Fred Albright's son.

And he had inherited that location.

So let's talk about Charles Albright.

He was born in Amarillo, Texas, and he was adopted from an orphanage by Del and Fred Albright.

His mother was kind of loco. Loco? Can we cut that out? Who the fuck am I? Kind of crazy.
Loco? Never said that before. We were just trying to change it up a little.
I don't know. His adaptive mom was a school teacher and she was super strict and overprotective.
She made him study a lot and he ended up skipping two grades because he was so fucking smart. And she pampered him like crazy.
She kept goats in the backyard so he could drink goat's milk, which she said was better for him than cow's milk. She occasionally put him in little girl's dresses and gave him a doll to hold.
She would change his clothes a couple times a day to keep dirt off of him. So loco.
She was loco. She was straight up loco.
Yeah. And she was afraid that he might touch dog feces and get polio.
So she took him to the hospital to see the polio patients locked in huge iron lungs. What? That doesn't keep you from touching- No.
And dog feces isn't where you fucking get polio, bro. It's the air.
Like, it's just the air. You know? That's so awful.
I know. Can you, but this is the thing my brain always flashes to.
Can you imagine a parent today taking their child to witness something? Yeah, exactly. Don't touch the stove.
Look at all these people who have been, have third degree burns. However, I think my aunt, one time my cousin, he was little, lit the fucking kitchen on fire because he was doing that thing with matches where you flick them after you light them.
Yes. Lit the whole kitchen on fire.
This is in the 70s, so he was not being watched. Of course.
And it was his fault for playing with matches, not their fault for not- Leaving them around. For leaving them around.
Or smoking 24 hours a day. Right.
And I think that they took him to the burn ward to be like, this is what fucking happens when you play with matches. And how was he after that? He's fine now.
He's kind of, he's kind of mean to me when he, when we were little, the kind of sadistic, the mean, uh, before, after the burn ward visit after. Yeah.
So he's still working some stuff out. Yeah, but he's like, fine now.

I mean, I think you need to trust your children better

that you don't have to traumatize them

to get the lesson through their head.

I think you should teach them not to fucking play with fire

to begin with. I mean, I just remember

when I lit the bed on fire, my mom's

screams were enough to keep me from ever doing it again.

Yeah, that's the secret.

She looked at me like, what the hell is wrong

with you? And I was like, I don't

know. You have an excuse for being

like, I hate when you do something, you're like, this

Thank you. again.
Yeah. That's the secret.
She looked at me like, what the hell is wrong with you? And I was like, I just, I don't know. Yeah, you have no, you have an excuse for being, like, I hate when you do something, you're like, this is something a stupid person would do.
I have no, like, am I a stupid person? My thing was like, can you please just pay attention to me? Like, I just, I'm really fun. Yeah.
I think of great stuff. Get off the phone.
Get off the motherfucking phone. Hang up that long corded, what was it, fucking Marigold? Or was it? Yes, it was Marigold.
Shut up. I swear to God.
Because that's, the entire 70s was Marigold. It really was.
So she would take him to the polio, to look at the polio patients. And those poor polio patients were like, fuck you, don't use me as an example.
I didn't touch dog shit. The idea, yeah, really.
I never touched, don't put that on me me the idea of being in an iron lung where just your head is sticking out is such a goddamn nightmare for months horrible oh those poor babies yeah um and then she said to him you can spend the rest of your life here she would tell him but she was it's from what i read she was very protective and loving of him in a way because she wanted him to know that she was never going to abandon him and that she loved him. She was doing it wrong.
I know. I don't think she was abusive.
Her intentions were good. Yeah.
She was overbearing and didn't really understand how to parent. Yeah, she was letting her neuroses take priority over his well-being.
And it sounds like she had a lot of neuroses aside from what she did to her kid.

But she doesn't sound like a bad person.

She just wasn't... She was scared.

I think she had a little bit of a mental illness.

Yeah.

Oh, well, however, the next line says,

when he was less than a year old,

she put him in a dark room as punishment

for chewing on her tape measure.

Man, Elvis chews on my tape measure all the time.

No dark rooms for babies, everybody.

I think we've agreed that in 2017.

You know what's scary when you're a kid?

The dark room.

You know what's scary when you're an adult?

A dark room.

Don't do it.

Also, you know what's scary?

I just said it was 2017.

You know what's scarier is I didn't even fucking notice.

Is it?

No, not yet.

Let's hold this episode until 2017 so we sound normal.

This one goes in the vault like Disney style.

I keep reading more awful stuff that makes me take back everything I just said.

When he wouldn't take a nap, she would tie him to the bed.

She was abusive.

When he wouldn't drink his milk, she would spank him.

She would make him drink goat's

milk. Ew, have you? I've never

had goat's milk. Oh, no, I haven't.

And I'd like to take an aside

right now and say that everyone

listening, spanking is

abuse. Don't fucking spank your kids.

Oh, man.

That's why I don't have kids.

Then the problem never even comes

up. Should I? Shouldn't I? Nope.
I should go to the movies by myself. That's what I don't have kids and I don't then the problem never even comes up wait should I shouldn't I nope I should go to the movies by myself that's what I should do you know what's great is being an aunt and getting to go away after that's right and then they have to take care of you when you're old that's what I figured out recently that's pretty great oh and then she lectured him about the way his father the father father acted greedy with sex.
Oh no, as a child? She told him that whenever the dad saw her in the bedroom in her bra and underwear, he tried to grab her. She was going to have none of that.
And she was going to make sure that Charlie never tried anything like that with his friends, his girlfriends either. And he, as she, he

were older, she chauffeured them every time they went on a date. She would call the girl's parents, let them know that her son would not do anything untoward.
Lady. But that was the fifties too.
So I don't know. So she was on pills.
She was on vacuum pills. I thought she had an amazing, cut an amazing figure.
Like she just didn't eat. She wore four girdles and she was

super high

on speed

she ate a

triangle toast

every morning

with amazing figure because she just didn't eat. She wore four girdles and she was super high on speed.
She ate a triangle toast every morning. And the tomatoes and cottage cheese.
Tomato and cottage cheese. Lady.
Tomato and cottage cheese. I mean, okay.
Says so much about life. Yeah.
So for some reason, he got his first gun as a teenager and he'd kill small animals with it. But his mom would help him stuff them due to his interest in becoming a taxidermist.
This guy had no chance. No, he got super into fucking taxidermy.
But his mom was super cheap and weird and like wouldn't spend any money on anything. So instead of spending the money on the glass eyes that one would buy for taxidermied birds and squirrels and shit, she was like, we don't need to do that.
So instead they would get two dark buttons. And so people would come over and look at their taxidermy and it'd be this, it's like that movie.
Coraline? Coraline. So I wonder who the eyeball killer is right now.
Are we going to go ahead and make a guess? I mean, this is like all arrows pointing to, what's his name, Dan? Is dan no it's charles albright charles jack chuck danny albright we'll call him jack danny you never had a goddamn chance poor baby but it seemed like he so all of these like wikipedia articles and these other things just make him seem like a crazy you know like a gross drifter like killer but this other article I read, it was just like, he was very, very fucking intelligent. But at age 13, he was a petty febts, whatever, angry with assaults.
He graduated from high school at age 15 because he was so fucking smart. And then he went to the North Texas University.
He wanted to train as a medical doctor and a surgeon. He wanted to train as a surgeon.
Yeah. And at 16, the police caught him with some stolen petty cash.
He spent a year in jail at 16. And then he went back to school, majored in pre-med studies, but was found with stolen items again and was expelled, but not prosecuted.

So he had a compulsion control problem.

What's that called?

Compulsion control.

He made it up.

That's what it's called from now on.

I think so.

Impulse control.

Impulse control.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dig it.

So he got kicked out of school.

So he did what everyone else would do, which is that he gave himself a fictitious bachelor's and master's degree he forged himself problem solved I mean he knows everything anyway I mean it sounds like it he's like so it turns out I'm an eye doctor yep here you go here's my forged shit but he had like done it by breaking into like the fucking head of the college's office and like using the right typewriter and everything so it all looked oh that's good like he was very conniving so he got a master's in forgery I mean if at that point you can do that you deserve it yeah you deserve something you know yeah fuck you who? I don't know. Society, man.
Yeah, man.

College.

I think I have a thing against college

because I never went and I hate you.

College.

Okay.

Me too.

But somehow he married his college girlfriend.

I don't know, man.

Some women just fucking...

Well, come on.

Danger.

Chuck Danger.

Yeah.

You gotta get near that shit.

She's bored of all these dumb college students

at Arkansas State Teachers College.

She's like, yawn a clock.

Yes.

He's dangerous.

He's dangerous.

He's not grabby.

Yeah.

He's not afraid of the dark anymore.

He doesn't get her when she's in her underwear and braw. He loves buttons.
Oh, great. He's got a master's.
He's got a master's and a bachelor's. Turns out.
They got married. They had a kid and he started teaching high school science.
There's a photo of him and like a school photo.

Okay, so this guy,

he seems like this criminal.

He's this normal

fucking smart guy

with friends

that goes to church

that is like

everyone likes,

no one can believe it.

One of those guys.

He's not like a gross,

like his fucking mugshot's creepy

but he wasn't like that.

He had life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, he says he had a Pied Piper-like ability to captivate people. And he, so in 1965, he and his wife separated and because he got caught stealing again and he served less than six months.
He loved to steal. He loved, he had a compulsion to steal.
Maybe just to see if he can get away with it. And also like, Steven and I were talking before the show started about stealing.
There's something to it too, where you just like, when you have that thing of like, I need this. Yeah.
Like you rationalize needing something. I used to steal a lot.
And it was like, it was like, it was like a fuck you. I never stole from like people or...
Did you steal from like CVS?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's like the teen girl's rite of passage.

And I was poor and didn't have money

and like didn't have enough for things

that like everyone else got to have.

And I felt like justified.

You were getting knocked off.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I felt justified and like,

fuck you, everyone.

I want this too.

I will have three wet and wild lipsticks. Yes.
Yeah. Fucking that crazy pink that I'd then wear to raves.
Yes. That lip liner that's so long, it'll last you like seven years.
Yes. And doesn't fit in any purse, the like maroon one.
And the irony there is that Wet n' Wild makeup is so cheap. And yet that's the one that everyone steals.
I know. So funny.
But then you're like, well, you paid three cents to make this with fucking slave labor.

Yeah.

So give me mine.

Give me mine.

Don't steal.

Don't do drugs.

Don't steal.

Don't do drugs.

We used to do pink.

There would be a pink lipstick, but then you took frosty white eyeshadow.

Oh my God.

And put it on your lips while the gloss was still wet.

Ew.

And so you had the frostiest pink lipstick of all

time. Frosty pink lipstick was fucking

in. 84, baby.
Yes.

All right. Anyway.

Love it. Sidebar.
Sidebar

nation.

Okay.

But so

he

so everyone loved him. He

everyone, all the neighbors trusted

him. Here's a funny thing.
He was

asked by local residents to babysit their

Thank you. He, so everyone loved him.
He, everyone, all the neighbors trusted him. Here's a funny thing.
He was asked by local residents to babysit their children. I'm sorry.
Well, he was, but his whole act was working. Aside from being a big stealer.
I'm sorry, who the fuck lets grown men babysit their children? Oh yeah, no. That's my problem with that.
And also this was not long ago. This wasn't like Albert Fish time.
You're like, yeah, let the old baby sit in. It's like recent.
Yeah, well, this is 81 where like all of that hadn't, they didn't believe the children still. And you're like, my uncle fucking touched me.
They're like, shut the fuck up. How dare you? Yeah.
You're being a brat. It was all burbling to the surface.
Yeah, I think towards the end of the 80s is when they were like, oh, shit, don't leave your kid alone with a grown man? Yeah. Got it.
Don't accept help from a grown man who wants to help you with your kids. Yeah.
He's not being a nice guy. And also grown men, if you're not a molester, don't try to fucking babysit kids.
Yeah, find another outlet. Ride horses or something.
I don't know. Go to therapy.
They'll find someone else. Go to therapy.
Don't you have a fantasy something team that you need to maintain?

Watch the dogs.

Fine.

Even the cats.

Don't offer to watch the children.

Just get a bunch of dogs.

Yeah.

We've solved it.

Done.

Done.

Look at us.

Legislation.

Corner with Karen and Georgia.

So easy.

Let's see.

Oh, but then guess what? In 1981, while visiting some friends, he sexually molested their nine-year-old daughter. Oh, no.
And this is when his whole facade started to crumble. He was prosecuted and pled guilty and received...
I'm sorry. What did he receive for this? Fucking what? Probation.
But he said that he said he pled guilty because he didn't want it to become a big thing he wanted to kind of keep it a secret so no one knew about it because he but he quote didn't do it but he still pled guilty to it whatever okay at this point he falls in love with a woman named dixie and then he starts he takes a paper route in the early morning and it turns out it's so he could visit prostitutes without raising his wife's suspicions, his new wife. Yeah, adult paper routes are suspicious as fuck.
Yeah, get a fucking telemarketing job, bro. So we're back to this woman being like, yeah, my friend who died, Mary Lou Pratt, was friends with Charles and he was into fucking eyeballs.
Not fucking, but it was eyeballs and stuff. Yeah.
And there's proof that he was friends with her way before she became a fucking sex worker. In the early 80s, Mary lived in South Dallas neighborhood while Albright's parents had invested in cheap rental property.
And he was living in one of the rental homes and he had a brief fling with one of Mary's friends and had brought them over to the house for parties. So they knew each other already.
And then when she started to become a sex worker, he became one of her customers. And she said that old man Albright was a good trick, willing to pay a little more than the going rate.
But he's claiming from jail now. I just spoiled the whole thing.
He's claiming that he didn't even visit prostitutes. I mean, why would he admit that? Yeah.
So I think she was his first kind of foray into sex work. Yeah.
Says he would pick them up, talk to them, take them to get a hamburger and drop them back off. That sounds like a perfect date.
Yeah. Sorry.
What's he paying for there besides hamburgers? I don't know. But I think eventually he started to do it.
Okay. So, let's see.
Okay. On March 22nd, 91, he's arrested and charged with three counts of murder.

Oh, bless you.

That's how you do it.

That was, okay.

I get it.

I get it.

No, I fucking get it.

How is it the first time either of us have sneezed on this podcast?

I know, it really is. In 38 episodes.

Especially a fucking closed room full of cats.

I know.

And I'm going to be honest,

I don't fucking vacuum that couch much.

So. All right, sorry, go ahead.
No, that was an amazing speech. Let's see.
So, but eventually he was known by several sex workers. I know.
He was violent towards them. So that was a growing thing.
Like when it started out, he was all hamburgers and cute. Yeah.
And then it basically, he got comfortable. Yeah.
And started to be able to do whatever he wanted to do. They said that, one said that he beat her with an extension cord or a belt to achieve orgasm.
Another told, a reporter that he would, another told her that he would kill her if she tried to take advantage of him. And he, and also he was known to have an abnormal obsession with eyes and he would remove eyes from dolls and photographs fucking fuck man yeah like get another MO because if you have this thing in your daily life it's like you're the bicycle killer and you're obsessed with bicycles like become the skateboard killer instead you know change it up so the cops won't find you immediately yeah yeah it's like come on yeah it's his obsession um all right steven with the britney spears movie he just can't stop thinking about it every moment of every day yeah he's like oops i did it again thought about it that wasn't that funny was it well it was to me i appreciate that that's why we're I don't fake laugh at you.
I know you don't, and I love it. And when you laugh at me, it's always, I'm always, it's like you're scream sneezing, because I'm like, what? I'm always surprised.
Because you're shocked. Pleasantly shocked.
Okay, so, all right. So here's, okay.
So the reason I found this whole murder is because on crack.com yeah my favorite late night fucking read the best website crack.com dude there was one uh one list called five suspicious details of famous crimes no one can explain i'm sorry i would read that for hours yeah make that list 500 please i am there there so the the weird thing about this case is that this fucking, this dude from the beginning, if you'll remember, what I can't remember, Axton, Schindler, the truck driver. They were like, well, what's his connection? His driver's license had the address of the killer's father.
How does that make any sense? This guy must have been part of it or known. No fucking connection at all.
What? He just happened to live in a rental property that was owned by the killer. So there's no connection.
The guy who picked up the truck driver who picked up this woman who had been beaten up and gave her a ride home. I don't believe it.
I know, but it's true, pretty sure. Like he just is clean on the deal, even though he knows the parent of the killer or the attempted killer.
He happened to live in a rental property that was owned by the Albright's and he happened to use another of their addresses as his fake address and he just happened to be there at the time to pick up one of his would-be victims. I'm sorry, three happen-to-be's in one man's life adds up to a whole bunch of a year full of shit.
Write that shit down, man. Come on, it's just coming out of my mouth.
So the cops interrogated him for hours thinking there had to be a connection. Not a single witness had ever seen him before and there was no physical evidence that he had even ever been at the crime scenes or knew about Albright's murderous hobby at all.
In general, he seemed to... This is Schindler you're talking about.
Yeah. Okay.
He seemed to have no idea what was going on. He helped a woman in need and that's all he fucking knew about.
Wow. That's crazy.
Yeah. But now, okay, so wait, let me, let me.
Also, aren't you a little suspicious of like cross country truck drivers because of so many terrible forensic files where it's like they have murder barns all across the Midwest? You're going into a small, like if you're, you know, a sex worker, you're going to a small enclosed place that they know where things, I mean, no, yeah. I know.
But he's innocent. Yeah, well, yes.
Okay. All right.
Well, let's go back to the trial after Charles Arbright gets arrested. December 13th, 1991.
Like, doesn't this seem like an old-timey crime, like from the 70s? Completely. Aren't you picturing like...
When you said 1990, I was genuinely shocked. I know.
Aren't you thinking of like old fucking Cadillac Seville's and shit? Yes. Yeah.
Totally. It's 91, which I guess is a long time ago for 12 year olds whose moms let them listen to this fucking podcast.
Hi. Hi.
So the evidence was that eight hairs that match Shirley Williams, one of the victims, was found in Albright's vacuum cleaner. Okay, that's not good.
That's just a, that's kind of cool, right? Like, but who had the job of going through the vacuum? Like, did that really happen? Or they just like, put some fucking... I mean, we cannot know.
But that's like a forensic job. That's what you're signing up for.
Yeah, dude. There's people who are listening who might know the answer to that.
That's true. Maybe they've done it before.
Yeah, that's right. Email us.
They got a pair of tweezers, some old Revlons from CVS that they shoplifted. And they're just going through that dust bag.
And they're like, molecule by molecule. It's only because their boss doesn't like them.
But they got that job. That's the shit job.
They mouthed off at lunch. Yeah.
Man, that's the shit job.

They drank too much at the fucking company picnic.

Yep.

And called somebody a fat bastard.

Oh, really?

Well, you'll be picking through

the vacuum cleaner bag this week.

Dunhill.

Damn it.

Shit, I did it again.

I always...

Okay.

We could just...

That could be...

Forever.

Whole forever.

All right.

And then three pubic hairs from a blanket at Shirley Williams murder scene were matched to Albright. They also found hair on a yellow raincoat that matched his hair that was near one of the bodies.
Should I mention at this moment about hair follicle evidence? That's what I was totally thinking too. I think in the first episode,

I had read the news story

that they've proven that that's not

a thing anymore.

Conclusive, right?

Which I just find kind of hard to believe.

I find maybe not as

conclusive

as they originally thought

that hair evidence and fiber evidence.

If you find a purple fiber

on the body of a

dead person and the person

that you think is the suspect because of connections also has a purple carpet. Like you can't just convict them on the purple carpet, but if there's other connections.
Right. If it's one piece of many that are all fitting together.
Exactly. But then that all speaks to like when you're looking for patterns, will you see those patterns? And those patterns? And the other part of that is, do you have a good prosecuting attorney and do you have a shitty defense attorney? Right.
You know what I mean? Yes. Man.
Yeah. So then three hairs from the head of Susan Peterson were found on a blanket in Albright's truck.
So all three of them had hair that were connected to him. Yeah.
That's when you're like, okay. Yeah.
Yeah. So December 18th, 91, the jury found him guilty, received a sentence of five years to life, but only for the murder of Shirley Williams.
It's the only one he got convicted on. Five years.
Five to life. Who are we? Where are we? What's happening? I mean, why naturally isn't that 15 to life? I don't know.
Five. Five.
How old was he? Do you know? Like, was he older? I think he was in his 50s. Okay.
No, not old enough that like, and the other thing is everyone's like, he's going to be in there for 15 years. And it's like, my dad is fucking 71.
That's not that old anymore. Right.
And also he killed people. He murdered people.
He murdered innocent people who didn't deserve to die. No.
He got, well, he got fucking Frobie on a fucking molestation. Frobie, do people call it that? I don't know.
Nope, that's loco. I bet you anything.
I bet you that's police lingo. Frobie.
For probation? Yes. I'm going to fucking, doesn't it sound like it should be? Yes, for sure.
Frobie. Frobie.
We're definitely calling it that from now on. Co-ops email us.
So he's at the Clemens Unit of the Texas Department of Corrections in Amarillo. And he's a motherfucking piece of shit.
But he's saying from prison that he's like, he will not admit to any of it. He's blaming fucking Schindler and saying it's him.
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
And I love, but there's just no, there's no evidence. Everything about like the woman who, Rodriguez, who said she attacked him.
Another woman who knew him. Everyone saw a photo line up and picked him.
Like it's him and he grew up obsessed with eyes yeah and he has he was trained as a he was like medical student surgeon like what's more of a coincidence that this dude used to live in this guy's house and put another one of his addresses down or and that he'd killed it or killed them or that this fucking eyeball obsessed fucking overbearing pedophile mother overbearing crazy mom who dress him up in women's clothes. Not to say that there's anything wrong with boys dressing up in women's clothes.
As long as they're doing it themselves. Exactly.
You get to do it. It's all about choice.
Yes. As many things are.
Yes. But also, he's a proven, repeated, and seemingly remorseless criminal.
And he is, what do they call that? It's getting worse as the years go by. Each crime gets a little worse.
Then he becomes a, he's a child molester. He seems like he feels like he's entitled.
Yes. Like I did when I used to shoplift.
But I'm better now. Well, but also you didn't-

I would never fucking shoplift now.

You, yours, your, um,

your crimes never escalated.

The thought of shoplifting now

horrifies me.

The thought that I did that

when I was,

I'm not like,

eh, I used to shoplift.

It's,

I'm so embarrassed about that time.

Right.

Because now you know the,

the, uh,

I was going to say side effects.

I have a moral compass now.

Yes, exactly. And it actually affects other people.
Yeah. We're talking about a person who's probably a sociopath or more.
But the idea, I mean, I have to say, and I hate to sound this way. I don't hate to sound this way.
I am this way. The idea that he removed eyes, that there was an additional thing to his straight up murders, that you would, it's very common of these serial killers to kill sex workers and in their mind have this pseudo kind of righteous, almost religious thing about as if they're cleaning up the streets or something like that.
This extra detail of taking eyes and closing eyelids is so morbidly fascinating to me. You know what's really weird about it too, if you think about it, is that these women were killed pretty brutally.
They were beat up. They were stripped of their clothes.
They were raped. They were shot.
Yet he carefully, systematically removed it. He didn't gouge their eyes out and fucking take them and run away.
He very, you had to do that probably slowly and carefully with the right tools. Yeah.
So it wasn't a fit of crazy rage that he just went into. Also, nobody wants to think about this, but if you just for one second, think about how insanely hideous it would be to remove someone's eyes.
Yeah. And I mean, what did he do with them? Where did he put them? They never found them.
They never found anything? Not his eyes. Not their eyes.
What if there's like a rental space somewhere? There's got to be so much shit. There's just six jars of eyes staring out at you.
I always wonder, wasn't there like a... The reality show where they bid on blind lots where they would buy a rental space.
Storage unit?

Storage wars.

What if you fucking,

there's an episode of Storage Wars,

they throw open a door.

Eyeballs.

Just fucking six eyeballs staring out.

I'll pay a thousand.

Can I start the bid at a thousand?

Please.

That was good.

That's an eyeball killer, man.

That's good.

I didn't even really know much about that.

I think you cracked. I knew nothing except for when you mentioned it and immediately assumed it was like the torso killer in Ohio, like 30s style old fashioned murderer.
Yeah, because it feels like old timey. And the other thing is that about this guy that is suspicious is that he was this child molester or this criminal, this like fucking crazy, you know.
And yet he had this charming, normal life.

It wasn't like he was living, you know, off the grid and as a like drifter.

No, he had the mask on tight.

He maintained, man.

Yeah.

And you know, there's all these comments of people, the normal comments of, I can't believe it.

Not him.

No way.

It's amazing.

He was such a nice guy.

You know, and then this family is like, he molested our daughter. Yeah.
Shock way. It's amazing.
He was such a nice guy. And then this family's like,

he molested our daughter. Yeah.
Shocked. Crazy.
Yeah. That's some fucked up shit, man.

He was a scream sneeze of a human being is what he was. Oh my God.
I just scared Mimi so bad.

I just scream laughed. I'm sorry, Mimi.
Oh my God. She's lost her mind.
She'll be all right.

Mimi seems fragile. She's very.
She's like, please. She was found in a dumpster.
And we are back. What a horrible story.
Georgia, any updates on this one? Yeah, actually. One of the officers who worked on the Eyeball Killer case was a rookie named Regina Smith, now a retired lieutenant.
She told A&E True Crime that the thing that stuck with her the most about the case was getting the family's closure and finding the eyeballs. After she retired, she reached out to Albright in prison for answers, which is bold and brave.
He agreed to Sierra but was in hospice and visitors were not allowed, so she did not get an answer because Charles Albright died in prison in 2020 at the age of 87. Yeah.
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All right. Well, should I do mine? No.
I mean, I'm going to blaze through this because here's

the thing. Did I take too long? No, no, no, no.
I loved it. It was so good.
Should I do mine?

That's what this podcast is. I didn't mean it.
First of all, mine is a heavy hitter. And I feel like a lot of people know this one.
I definitely a lot of people have written to us and requested that we do this guy. Did it rain all over your parade? No, no, no.
Take your fucking time, man. It's Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer.
Yeah. It's the man who is six foot nine, Stephen.
Six foot nine. That in and of itself is scary and intimidating.
So intimidating. Sorry to all you super tall guys out there.
But it is. And when you see video of Edmund Kemper walking with cops- Is he a big guy too? Like not just like a tall skinny or is he big? I mean, he's not humongous.
He is proportionate. But when he walks through doorways, he has to duck.
He's that tall. 6'9 is out of control.
And to imagine that on top of that, he's a psychotic, paranoid, schizophrenic, psychopathic killeric killer it's so upsetting do you think he went crazy because people kept asking him if he plays basketball i always wonder that about telling people how fucking sick of it they're so sick of it and also it's like people expect them to be good and then when they're not they get like i don't play basketball i don't even like a basketball i'm not, I love golf. Did you play basketball, man? Dude, you must love basketball.
No, fuck you. All right.
So just to briefly, also, I don't like doing these ones because I don't like to talk about the serial killer themselves. Like they're a star.
I fucking hate that. Like knowing their whole life when really it's like, fuck you.
This one woman that you murdered's life is way more important than your whole life right well and also you rendered your own life like a shitty a shitty factoid list because of the actions that you acted out in that life so you made them obvious in this fucking example of what serial killers are like yeah yeah but it's not impressive to me it's not and also when you see this person interviewed to me all I think is what a waste because he was really smart. He was a big giant that was also a genius.
No one ever knew he was a genius because he had a terrible mother, which is kind of sometimes a theme on this show. Another abusive, like obsessive, controlling, dominant mother who was impossible to please.
And yes, all dominant mothers. I mean, so let's see.
It just basically goes like this. He was born in Burbank, California.
What? Are you fucking serious? Yeah. That's where I live.
That's down the street. No.
That's crazy.

I didn't know that.

His parents had a bad marriage.

They divorced when Ed was nine and his mother moved him to Helena, Montana.

And there he, all he wanted was a father.

And instead, this one article said he had a string,

a subsequent string of stepfathers.

But then when I looked into it, it seemed like his mother only got remarried one other time. She probably just dated them.
She probably dated. And also, I think the evil mother kind of recurring theme is a thing that people very easily can kind of fill in the blanks.
She got married all the time. She was an old bitchy slut.
I mean, it's like, to me, that's what kept coming out was like, well, what if she was, what if he was a six foot nine monster that she had to control and didn't know what to do? It comes me out that they blame it on like the mom who stayed and raised him and not the daddy fucking later date. Yeah.
But I mean, who knows? Who knows the details? I just feel like there's always this a little bit of that where it's like, okay, she was mean and domineering, but now she married a bunch of people. Yeah.
Whatever. And marrying a bunch of people is like, oh, you're a fucking shitty mom and a slut.
Well, maybe just go in love. Let's just put it out there.
Maybe not. Maybe not.
So, but he, in his like early teens, he starts to display his anti-social personality traits so him and his system sister this made me laugh and i want i was watching this a really good um british series that you can find on youtube like any killer you want there will be this british series that comes up and they just give you tons of information and really good uh facts i have no idea you're gonna say no idea i can i'll tell you next week it'll be like a fun surprise yeah it's like surprise crime and evidence british accent and it's also not on bbc it's not on anything i would recognize yeah it's almost like an independent all the people in england right now are like giving me all kinds of two fingers up in the air for not knowing this. Yeah, oi.
So, but if you look up Eben Kemper, it's the first documentary series on him on YouTube. It's called Crimes and Stuff and British...
Crimes and Crumpets. And British accents.
Yeah. So him and his sister would play a game called gas chamber where his sister would throw pellets into his room and then close the door and he would pretend he was dying of asphyxiation oh that sounds normal that's it made me laugh so hard because i was and then it was like a bunch of stuff of like then he would make his sister's dolls have sex i was like yeah standard fair i did that.
I did that. Everybody did that.
I stole my brother's GI Joes and they would totally bone Barbie. Yes.
That's what dolls are for. Yeah.
It's all like, get them in that dream house. Yeah.
And get to fucking. And then you just smash them together and they're boning.
You have no idea what or why. Smash.
You just know that it's exciting that they're in the same bed. They're on a little plastic bed together.
Sex is like that now. Smash.
So, but here's where it all was very different than most of our childhoods. He told his sister in grammar school that he had a crush on his teacher, and when he said he wanted to kiss his teacher, his sister said, why don't you? And he said, because I'd have to kill her first.
So the sister's like, I'm going to go get a glass of juice. And like slowly crab walks out of the room.
Okay, and I'll be right back. I just love being here getting on the ground and crab walking instead of just like backing out of the room.
No, she had to go out sideways with all her eyes looking at him. So down.
His mother, when he was a little bit older, made him live in the basement because she was afraid that he would molest his sisters. So, yeah, it was dark and bad.
Oh, that's weird. It also was believed that that mother suffered from borderline personality disorder, which explains the rages and the abuse.
Oh, honey. So that's, you know, fair's fair's fair we're gonna say all this stuff about her but then also everyone sucks all around i mean here's the thing untreated mental illness affects people terribly and in a ripple effect totally that isn't just the person who isn't taking their medicine or the person who can't afford their medicine i also see my therapy sessions every week of me going through shit.
Yes. Mental health is very important.
So important. And my mother was a psychiatric nurse.
And in the 80s, when Proposition 13 closed down all the mental hospitals... Oh, that's the worst thing that ever happened.
...rant and rave every night about how terrible the future is going to be for people who needed help and wouldn't be able to get it. I the fucking insane amount of homeless people we have in this country right that's because we they don't have easy access to fucking mental health services and they need help and yeah and basically the state has gone to that yeah all right nope let's i want to keep talking back to ed my mother would you what? That would be like her dream if we would just talk about this all the time.
So when he was 15, his mother sent him to live with his father in LA. And his father had a new wife and stepson.
And so he lasted a month there. And then his father sent him to live with his grandparents, who were the father's parents, on a 17-acre farm in North Fork, California.
That sounds nice. It actually is.
It butts up right against the Sierras right near Yosemite. I was going to say how awful it is to send your kid away to someone, but that sounds fucking like a nice vacation.
Pretty nice. And also, like, if you have a kid that's troubled, quote unquote.
Put him to work. Send him to a farm.
Get him out there, right? Teach him some fucking responsibility. Well, turned out that the grandmother was also domineering.
And the grandfather had early stages of dementia. Oh my God.
So there was already some drama happening. This guy had no chance.
I mean, yeah. He had his own .22, so he shot rabbits and gophers.
And even though his grandmother told him not to, birds. Wait, rabbits and gophers are fine, but birds are off limits.
Well, because gophers, rabbits, they eat the, if it's a working farm, they eat the vegetables. Bunnies.
Birds do too, though, but they're beautiful. Anyway, so that summer, he was sent back to Helena to stay with his mother.
Oh, my God. But then he came back after two weeks.
So it was basically nobody wanted the giant scary guy around. And he was only 15.
Can you believe it? I know. It's like so unfair, though.
I feel really bad for him. It's lots of rejection and lots of criticism.
And like he already clearly had something going on mentally. And then everyone was just like.
This is the point where maybe you can intervene. But it didn't happen.
Right. Quite the opposite.
Right. It's said that Ed's grandmother feared him enough that she took her 45 with her anytime she left the house so that Ed wouldn't be near it.
Oh, no. The 22 is fine.
Yeah Yeah. I'm taking that .45.
Yeah. So, basically, one day he decides he's going to shoot his grandmother in the back of the head.
And when police ask him why, he said, I wanted to see what it felt like to kill grandma. So, he's flipped over into a next level.
He doesn't understand the finality of that at all. If you say that, you don't understand.
Well, yeah, he's like, I'm testing out to see what it's going to feel like as opposed to being able to walk through that. Like I wanted her to die.
This will feel really bad. Yeah.
And everyone's going to feel bad. So he shot her in the back of the head.
He was pretending like he was leaving the house took picked up the his 22 walked out she

saw the weird look in his eye and then how do you know that he stood outside i get this is according to him he stood outside watching her from the porch and then shot her through the screen door in the back of the head oh at the back of the what's that oh my god um so then he waited for his grandfather to get home from the store

and then shot him

because he didn't, he didn't, he knew

his grandfather to get home from the store and then shot him because he didn't, he didn't, he knew his grandfather would be upset and angry. So he didn't want to have to deal with that.
So he just killed the grandfather. You do not have a fucking right, right mind, man.
No. Cause then the next thing he did was call his mom.
This isn't a murderous, this is someone who doesn't have access to reality yeah i think this is like the beginnings of being a psychopath or like having some kind of a break like a dissociative let's just throw some let's make sure that terminology we're professionals like psychologists right that's so so he calls his mother and she says call the sheriff. So he calls the sheriff, tells them what he did, sits on the front porch and waits for the cops to come.
And that's when they got that quote of, I wanted to see what it would be like to kill grandma. He also, after he shot his grandma, stabbed her several times with a knife.
Yeah, so he wanted to kill her. That's different.
Feel that. Wow.
Just shot the grandpa though. So then the police were shocked and he was committed to a Tuscadero State Hospital.
It's kind of a famous mental hospital up in Northern California. He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, but he was tested with a near genius IQ.
And in the mental hospital, he learned how to mask his insanity. So he basically got along, blended in.
He did really well with structure. And when people were in charge of him, but not mean and judgmental of him, it worked very well for him.
So he learned, he became a runner for one of the doctors, like an assistant to one of the doctors. And that actually enabled him, the doctor trusted him that much, but that enabled him to read the doctor's files.
So he memorized the answers to psychological tests that he saw in the files.

And so he basically learned what to say to sound like a normal person.

That's smart.

He learned it out of reading it off of tests.

So he would read all the psychological tests, see what the correct answers were, and basically that way.

So after four years, those doctors, added Tuscadero, deemed Ed normal enough to reenter society. Four years after killing both his grandparents.
So he never even got tried. What's that? He never went to trial for these murders.
No, no, straight to the mental hospital. That's crazy.
So in 1969, the California Youth Authority released him back into the care of his mother, Clarnell. Can you imagine being like, Mom, my kid's back home.
Yeah. I guess.
The murderer is home. Yeah.
Even though the doctor said he can't go live with his mother, that's where they sent him. So now he was in the hospital for four years.
So it was between 1965 and 1969 when the cultural revolution took place. And it took place in basically the eye of the storm was San Francisco Bay Area.
And they lived right outside it. So sex, drugs, and rebellion were the order of the day.
Clearly, I was just typing what the narrator was saying on this because I would never say anything like that. That sounds really casual, Karen.
They were the order of the day. They were the sex drugs.
Sex drugs. So Ed wanted to, Ed's reaction to that was he wanted to become a cop.
He didn't like any of it. He wasn't down with the hippies.
I could see that because he liked the order. He liked the order and he liked, and he wanted to be in charge.
So maybe he was trying. The problem was he's too big to be a cop.
Shut up. There's actually regulation against that size of person.
Do you know what makes me feel safe? A fucking six foot nine cop. Yes.
True. But then also a six foot nine cop can basically do whatever he wants at all times.
Maybe that's part of it. He wouldn't fit into the car.
Any cop could do whatever he wants all the time. The pants would be too short and he would be a laughingstock.
So instead he became a construction worker and he hung out. He lived in Santa Cruz and he hung out at a bar called the jury room where cops and lawyers went and often hung out.
Can we go there right now? He basically hung among them and they all kind of knew him as Big Ed. So after a while from being a construction worker, I think he also worked for Caltrans, which is basically the guy on the side of the road.
He saved up, moved out of his mother's house in Santa Cruz and moved to Alameda, which was 90 minutes away. They have a good flea market there.
In Alameda? Oh, I want to go. So when he was living by himself, he felt angry, awkward, and lonely.
I don't know if those things had anything to do with each other, but that's how he felt in the world. So he started picking up female hitchhikers, practicing how to get them into his car, practicing what to say to them to get them into his car, practicing what to talk to them about once they were in his car.
He picked up over 150 hitchhikers as practice. Holy shit.
And then he decided he was going to fix the passenger side door so it couldn't be opened from the inside. I can't believe there were that many hitchhikers to pick up.
1969. Yeah.
Yeah. That's all anyone was doing.
That's back when it was like celebrated. So he practiced for long enough.
So in the spring of 1972, he finally decided he was going to go to the next level. He picked up Marianne Pesci and Anita Luceza, who were students at Fresno State, and they were hitchhiking to Stanford to see friends after a weekend in Berkeley, but they never made it.
And this was a time, of course, when police never looked into missing persons cases, especially that of young women, because of the amount of runaways and transients there were. So they, they're according to cops,

girls ran away all the time.

And they would always show up later because they were with their boyfriend

or they were with their friends.

So there,

it was almost like these fucking hippie kids.

Like,

I don't want to hear about it.

We're not going to waste our time.

Yeah.

That was the mentality.

So,

so Ed drove these two girls to an isolated spot. He made Anita get into the trunk and then he put a bag over Marianne's head to suffocate her.
She fought back. She bit a hole into the bag.
Um, and then he became, he never thought that anybody would fight back. He became enraged and he stabbed her repeatedly.
Then he got out and went into the trunk and slit

and eat his throat.

But because the fighting,

that wasn't the kill that he fantasized about.

So he took

their body, you're going to need to brace yourself

for this part. I'm scared.

He took their bodies back to his apartment

and raped their corpses.

And then he dismembered them

and he put their body parts into plastic bags and left those bags all around the Bay Area. Can you imagine that that's the first time you really, like you killed someone by shooting them before, but the first time- And stabbing.
Right. And it was your grandparents.
Yes. Yeah.
But like raping a corpse, dismemberment, that's not an easy thing to fucking do. No, it's hideous, but you know he was fantasizing.
And they talked in this documentary about that, how much serial killers fantasize about what they're going to do. Oh my God.
So then he had fantasized about it all happening in the car. But since that got fucked up, this was like this weird plan b improv that he was doing that then became his mo wow um so two months later hikers found marianne's head in the mountains and that was the only evidence ever found of the two shut the fuck is the only thing they ever found so in september of that year, so that was spring.
So like five months later, he picks up 15-year-old hitchhiker, Aiko Koo. Honey, don't do it.
She was 15. She was, I think they said she was half Korean and half like Romanian or something.
She was a dancer. She's on her way to dance class.
So she was really small. Honey, don't fucking hitchhike to dance class.
Ridiculous. Ride your goddamn bike.
And you're tiny and you're 15. All of these things are so much no.
He picks her up. He drives her to an isolated location.
But when he tells her this is a kidnapping, she loses her shit and becomes hysterical. So to calm her down, he says that he was going to kill himself and take her with him.
But now he's changed his mind. And then he gets out to get something in the trunk and the door shuts and locks behind him.
Girl. So now she's inside his locked car and he's locked out.
Yes. But he convinces her to open the door.
No. But this is him practicing on those 150 girls.
This is a person who's figured out with his genius IQ how to get what he wants. How to manipulate people.
Yep. And how to tell them exactly what they specifically want to hear and need to hear.

God damn it.

So anyway, he suffocates her

until she's unconscious. He puts tape

over her mouth and then holds her nose closed.

So he is like up close

into this

killing, you know, horribly.

Then he raped her and strangled

her with her own scarf.

And they put her dead Thank you. killing horribly.
Then he raped her and strangled her

with her own scarf.

And they put her dead body

in the trunk and then went to a bar for a couple of beers.

Who did?

He did.

Oh.

You said they and I wasn't sure.

No, no. Sorry, then.

Then he takes the body back

to his apartment and it's the same thing.

Dismembers and scattering her remains all over the Bay Area. So, because a serial killer is a person who's killed three or more people on three or more occasions with a cooling off period in between crimes, this kill officially makes him a serial killer.
So the next day, he had a state mandated meeting with his psychiatrist and her head was in his trunk holy fuck during that meeting and he made such an impression on the psychiatrist that they decided he didn't need to see a psychiatrist anymore the day after he murdered this girl. He had to be good at what he did.

To make matters worse, at the same time, there was another serial killer named Herbert Mullen that was operating in the Santa Cruz area at the exact same time. What? And this was the guy that was killing people because he thought it was keeping that big earthquake from happening.
Did you ever hear of this guy? I think he deserves his own episode.

Yeah.

He killed hitchhikers.

He shot an old man in his yard.

He killed a mother and a child.

Yeah, and he was

had no idea what was going on.

You gotta do that one, please.

Yeah, so that guy got arrested in 1973

and the police thought,

oh great, this is all over now. He should have just stopped killing then and he wouldn't have ever gotten caught.
I know, but he couldn't do it. Four months after his third murder, he was now broke.
So he moved in back in with his mother. Yeah, come on back home.
Yeah, that's going to work out good. So this is January 8th of 1972.
His mother, he and his mother argue all day. He goes out, buys a gun, and then he picks up hitchhiker Cindy Shaw.
And according to him, this is the way he tells the story, that he drives her to a remote location, shows her the gun, then gets out of the car to open the trunk, and he leaves the gun in the car with her. And instead of grabbing it, she follows him back to the trunk and says, my, what a big trunk do you want me to get in it? Which to me is his version of the story.
Yeah, right. Because he has talked and talked like they have hours and hours of his confession.
My, what a big trunk. My, what a big trunk you have, grandma.
so she gets into the trunk and he shoots her once in the head or he does what he did before which is weird uh strangles her she's in the trunk she's got a bullet in her head he brings the body back to his mother house mother's house has sex with the corp dismembers her body in his mother's bathtub and buries her head in his mother's backyard, throws the rest of the body into the ocean. But she's discovered 24 hours later.
So most of her body parts wash back up on shore. So a month later, he has another fight with his mother and then he goes out for a drive.
And this time he picks up two UC Santa Cruz students, Rosalind Thorpe and Alice Liu. And all of the students, all the female students, because he was now called the co-ed killer.
And so all the students at UC Santa Cruz were all the female students were warned, do not hitchhike, do not take rides from strangers. But his car, it was his mother's car, so it had a UC Santa Cruz parking sticker on it.
Oh, shit. His mother worked at UC Santa Cruz, so they thought it was safe.
Yeah, but it's not like that a person who goes to your school couldn't be a killer too, you know? Yeah, but they're all thinking it's like, I mean, it's like a psycho killer. Well, it is, but.
Yeah. He shot them.
It's the exact same thing. Shot them, raped their bodies, dismembered them, scattered their remains.
Then he decides he's going to buy a 44. He needs a new gun.
So a routine police background check brings up his name and the police, when they look him up, it's just an index card that says double murder. So, so they put, his records were sealed because he was a teenager.
Right. So they put a hold on the gun purchase.
Oh, what a great idea to put a hold on. I mean, purchases for people who have mental illnesses.
Oh no, sorry. I'm sorry.
They couldn't put a hold on it. He'd already bought it.
So they go to confiscate it. So they show up at his house.
But it's Big Ed. They know Big Ed.
There's no problem. It's Big Ed.
He goes to the jury room. He hangs out with us.
Yeah, he's a good friend of ours. And they assure him it's just a thank you, a formality.
But Ed got paranoid because he was like, they're to me and so he ran so sorry this is the big one so he's paranoid he's sure the cops are on him so on April 21st 1973 he decides he's going to kill his mother so he that the solution to everything. Right? That's his big finale.
So his mother's sleeping, and he goes into her bedroom with a claw hammer, beats her to death with a hammer. Fuck.
Decapitates her, has sex with her corpse. Not chill at all.
Puts her vocal cords in the garbage disposal. Whoa.
I mean, like... Symbolic as fuck.
Yes. And he talked about it.
And, like, I saw, like, probably 10 seconds of him talking about it. It's just...
It's not anybody worth listening to. It's just, like, a person who thinks it's great when they're telling you these things.
Thinks it's great? It's not just, like, normal, but thinks it's great. Thinks it's cool.
Thinks it's, like... Holy shit.
That's pretty ironic, isn't it? You know, like, it know like it's this kind of there's like a swagger to it that you just want to so so then he decides that it's going to look like he did it so a way to make it not look like that is he calls up his mother's best friend sally hallett invites her over to a surprise dinner quote unquote and when she gets there he chokes

her to death oh yeah and so when the cops find both their bodies he's in his mind they're gonna

think it's a break-in and it has nothing to do with that that's his thinking and then he goes

on the run so he jumps in his car he drives east and uh he they were still looking for the co-ed

killer they in no way were looking for him.

They had no idea. He drives for three days.
He hears no news on the radio about himself or using his name or anything. And by the time he gets to Pueblo, Colorado, he calls the Santa Cruz police and confesses.
Because he's so mad that they're not talking about him and that he was wrong. And so the

The Santa Cruz police have to drive out

To Pueblo colorado to pick him up and they said when he um oh the the pueblo police said when they went out like the santa cruz police had the pueblo cops go pick him up when they went and picked him up to arrest him he put his hands on top of the phone booth. That's how big he was.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
I just can't get it. I can't deal with it.
Six foot nine. Horrifying it is.
He's just a humongous monster. Vince is like six four and he's very fucking tall.
Yeah. And he's five inches taller.
Yeah. That's insane.
It's very tall. So on the whole drive back, the Santa Cruz police have to listen to his confession.
Holy shit. And he talked, they said, there's one cop, it was like one of his first cases ever.
He said, he talked until I couldn't listen to it anymore. It was so upsetting.
And he just wanted to talk about all of it. He gave every detail of every single thing.
So basically he he tries to plead insanity. The jury declares him sane and guilty of all eight murders.
He's eight counts of murder. He asks, when he gets, goes to jail, he asks for a lobotomy.
No way. And the authorities say, no, it's too dangerous.
But he's basically trying to suggest, like, cut off the connections between this idea and, like, the action, or, like, get this out of my head. I weirdly think a lobotomy would have helped him.
I mean, it would have just rendered him like a vegetable basically. Yeah.
He would have just been a bigger pain to deal with. Like he wouldn't have been able to do anything for himself.
Yeah. Probably.
He was once quoted in an interview, what do you think now when you see a pretty girl walking down the street?

And he answered, one side of me says, wow, what an attractive chick.

I'd like to talk to her, date her.

The other side of me says, I wonder how her head would look on a stick.

Holy fuck.

Yeah.

And that's actually in Brad Easton Ellis' book, American Psycho,

Patrick Bateman paraphrases this quote when he's asked about women, but he it to Ed Gein but it's actually an Ed Kemper quote. And also in Silence of the Lambs, Thomas Harris wrote that Buffalo Bill started his career as a serial killer by impulsively killing his grandparents as a teenager, which was based on Ed Kemper.
Neat. Bummer.
Co-Ed killer. It's so weird that it's like such close by stuff,

you know? Yeah.

Like close to us.

Santa Cruz is like not far.

Oh, it's so scary.

Yeah. Gross.

It's funny that we both did serial killers

this time. I know.

We're getting deep now.

Well, I mean, yeah.

We have to say one thing that made us happy this past week. But it's Monday, so it hasn't been that long.
I mean, I'm going to have to say Poldark. When Poldark, Ross Poldark takes off his shirt to swim in the ocean to clean off the mine dust, it's like the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.
That sounds cool.

I think mine was,

we went last night,

we went to the New Beverly Theater,

which is like really,

it's owned now by Quentin Tarantino,

but it's this really cool art house theater

that's been around forever.

Quentin Tarantino bought it to like save it,

which I love him for.

And they were playing the 1950s version of Dracula.

And we went with Joe DeRosa's parents who we were talking about from his podcast and like met them and they were the sweetest people ever. And it was like just such a nice, nice thing that someone wants you to meet their parents as an adult, which like doesn't really happen anymore.
Yes. And it was a cool movie.
And they were fun to hang out with, right? Yeah, they were the best. And then New Beverly has Frozen Junior Mints like as a thing you can buy.
What? Because they know that people like them. I didn't know that.
And Frozen Junior Mints are like a family favorite. Yeah, they have them.
Frozen Junior Mints and Frozen Snicker Bars there you can get. Genius.
Because they're just like, yeah. And they have fucking White Castle burgers you can get there too.
Are you serious? They're frozen and they heat them up. Also, the New Beverly is the best popcorn of all movie theaters.
Best popcorn. And it's so cheap there.
They have the movie theater candy prices from the 80s. Is that true? Yes.
We bought so much shit and they were like, they were like $50 and this much. And I handed them 50 and they were like, no, 15.
And I almost lost my mind. So I ended up giving the guy a $5 tip.
That's right. Because I was just like, take it all.
At normal theaters, you're like, yeah, this is going to cost me $85. A fortune, yeah.
It's the best. Yeah.
If you live in LA, you should absolutely support The New Beverly. It's awesome.
And they have just the best. They'll have double features of like the coolest movies.
Yeah. April and I went there to see, cause she's obsessed with Elvis.
And we went to see Elvis's concert film that I'm not going to remember the name of. And it was so fun.
And everyone there was super into it. It's like, it feels like an event when you go there.
You know what it's better than is going to a fucking, the cemetery movie screening where you have to sit outdoors in the freezing cold on the freezing cold, like grass and watch a movie on the, I don't need to do that. Go to fucking, go to New Beverly, then go down the street to El Coyote, get great fucking margaritas.
Yeah. Life is good.
Good times. Yeah.
Okay, we're back. Wow.
Wow. Karen, do you have any updates on this old case? Well, a couple.
I mean, it is really old. It's one of the most famous serial killer cases, as we know, as anyone listening probably knows, and as we've seen since the Mindhunter era.
Right now, I'm speaking to David Fincher and David Fincher only. Listen to me.
The people that care want that season three of Mindhunter. And you need to take your power.
Fincher. And use it.
Finchy. Come on, man.
Get your shit. Get off of Netflix and go to Hulu with that third season.
Please. We need it.
We need it. Sorry, this is back to everybody else.
Here's some updates. Ed Kemper has spent the last 50 years serving his life sentence.
Now he's confined to a wheelchair. He has diabetes.
He has coronary heart disease. He had a stroke years ago.
He's been denied parole 12 times. After his last parole hearing, Santa Cruz District Attorney Jeff Roselle testified to the parole board that Ed Kemper is still dangerous.
This is the quote. Ed Kemper is still dangerous.
He remains a high risk. And, quote, he is untreated.
He is essentially the same man as when he went in for this, end quote. Wow.
Yeah. Are you with me that, like, I would he wasn't alive anymore? That's completely wild.
Also, I feel like we like we would have heard from him more like we heard from Charles Manson every now and again. We haven't heard anything.
That is the weird part. And I know that like this is the thing where if you talk about serial killers too long, you kind of go into a, you know, as if you are the scientist that knows the psychology behind this or anything.
But I always thought it was really interesting because Ed Kemper went to like the story behind that relationship with his mother and that so much about that child abuse, very real child abuse and the relationship with his mother and all those things. And then when he went to jail, not kind of separate from the conversation of him being one of the worst serial killers there is, he went to jail and then he started reading audiobooks for the blind.
And he has apparently read over like 5,000 hours of audiobooks for the blind. It was a Refinery29 article about the fact that someone discovered that he had been doing that.
So like they're out there and we don't know it's him. Yeah.
And it's essentially a program he started in jail. What the fuck? And the quote in that article was that it made him feel better that he was doing something constructive for other people.
I don't think that's the way psychopaths think. Yeah.
No, that's confounding for sure. But who knows? Or maybe it was just like, this is his plan to make it look like he's doing good things to get out.
I don't know. It's crazy.
Here's what's really important. Cameron Britton, who was the actor that played Ed Kemper on Mindhunter so brilliantly, who was also from the town next to Petaluma, Sebastopol.
He was our guest on our live show in LA that had 7,000 people at it for Halloween. And he was the loveliest human being.
He was so wonderful. Yeah.
Yeah, that was very surreal and exciting. Yeah, that's what we're going to focus on at the end of that story.
Yeah. Is the actors who play.
Yeah. Okay, so if we're naming it today based on something we said in the episode, I think kind of loco works.
But what else could we do? There was me talking about lint traps, of course. And so the phrase hint of lint was used.
Yes. Very important to remember.
I feel like scream sneezing and lint trap cleaning have been two really good lessons we've taught people. Yeah.
The mansion of corners, we could call it after we had a few different corners in the intro. Correction corner and blah, blah, blah corner.
The mansion of corners. There's so many corners in this house that it's a mansion.
I get it. Okay.
Yeah, I think so. And then I guess the phrase, that's on you, mommy, when we're talking about that you need to make your kids listen.
It's the parent parents fault i like that's on you mommy that's on you mommy um i mean i that was a really good episode yeah that's a big one that's a good one we're doing great we're only we're in our stride in episode what is this 39 yeah we're finally look at 10 it took 10 months that's our advice to you if you're trying if you're starting your podcast yeah give yourself 10 months to really work out some really serious kinks. Totally.
And remember that what you're saying into the microphone is going to go out into the internet forever. Yeah, and in nine years, you're going to have to listen to it and explain yourself.
So don't forget that either. Explain your hysteria, ladies.
All right. Well, thanks for listening.
We're here every Wednesday doing these rewinds of our old episodes. So if you're starting to get into the podcast, it's a great way to do it.
Yeah. Thank you guys for listening.
We appreciate you. Stay sexy.
And don't get murdered. Goodbye.
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