Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 47: Live at the Bell House

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Speaker 1 Hello.

Speaker 1 And welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. It's Wednesday, which can only mean one thing.
We're recapping our old shows with all new commentary, updates, and insights.

Speaker 1 And today we're recapping episode 47, which we named at the time, live at the Bellhouse. Can you guess where we were and what was happening at this moment? I bet you can't guess.

Speaker 1 This episode came out on December 15th, 2016. Of course, the fifth anniversary of Impractical Jokers premiere.
You know that. We were forever changed.

Speaker 1 All right, so let's listen to the intro of episode 47, where we are live at the Bellhouse.

Speaker 1 Hi, everybody.

Speaker 1 This is our conference

Speaker 1 about global warming.

Speaker 1 It's not the problem you think it is. No.

Speaker 1 We're going to tell you. Don't worry about the ice sheet disappearing.
No, no, no. It's going to be better.
You're going to die so much sooner than that happens.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 The fastest dying.

Speaker 1 Dying. Oh my God.
The bell house.

Speaker 1 We're finally like we've been planning this. We've been thinking about it.

Speaker 1 We've been talking about it. We've been talking to each other and to Andrew here at the bell house about it.
And here we are.

Speaker 1 We booked this gig ourselves.

Speaker 1 Thank you. We didn't know.
And so we did it. Yeah, we were like, it doesn't matter.
We should do probably a small intimate venue.

Speaker 1 We're really excited about this.

Speaker 1 We have a guest, a murderino story.

Speaker 1 I think next time we should ask for like wireless Janet Jackson mics so we can just really roam the stage as we clearly want, yeah, do some black cat before we actually sit down.

Speaker 1 Can I get some murder in my mind? Anything? I would just want to show everybody. I don't know if you know, but we were at Sephora earlier.

Speaker 1 See that?

Speaker 1 Hence, all the makeup on my face. I have

Speaker 1 so much lipstick on right now.

Speaker 1 This is the closest I could get to the crown Elizabeth lip color. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, I'm not gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 Wow. I fucking hate that.

Speaker 1 It's mine.

Speaker 1 The fucking audacity. I'm kidding.
You're sweet. I love you.
Are you beat onkers or what? That's my friend Millie saying. Be anchors.
Hi, Millie.

Speaker 1 We actually were in Sephora, a very crowded Brooklyn Sephora. Yeah.
And I was squatted down, putting every every color of lip and eye thing I could on my face. I thought.

Speaker 1 And Georgia had immediately broken off from me and begun to get a makeover.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 at one point, I crossed an aisle and there was just a woman doing this, and Georgia's just standing there getting her face brushed.

Speaker 1 I actually kind of hated it because I was like, what color matches me? And I want you to hand it to me.

Speaker 1 I don't want you to use your fucking brushes that you've used on every fucking person in the world for the past fucking 24 hours and like maybe put some alcohol on it and then like i just was like i'm breaking out yeah

Speaker 1 please speak you pulled it off well i thought you were really enjoying yourself i just didn't want to hurt her feelings but i wanted to be like don't touch me without don't touch me

Speaker 1 um well yeah at sephora there's gonna be there's gonna be a germ issue for sure

Speaker 1 uh but also you know what i don't like is like they ask if they can help you and i do want a very specific kind of help yeah but i don't want i they always try to get you to to let them do your fit.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, I just want to know the exact number of the taupe lip line.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm talking about. I wanted that too.

Speaker 1 She was like, well, first take your makeup off and then come over here.

Speaker 1 No, fuck. Get out of here.
I know, I know. I was like, just put it on top, dude.
Like, that's what I'm going to do. Anyway.
So you broke off to have that happen to you.

Speaker 1 I was off by myself squatting

Speaker 1 like a fucking weirdo. And then I hear, you know, like when you're in a public place, I don't know if you're like me.

Speaker 1 In a public place, if I hear someone go like, blah, blah, blah, blah, I never think it's Tweeni.

Speaker 1 And she turned and gave me the, she did one of these of like, don't fucking, you know, like, she didn't know I was talking about her. No, I just don't, I don't like shouting.

Speaker 1 And the girl goes, oh, she just gave us a dirty look. The girl who had been like, I'm a huge fan of the podcast.
And I was like, fuck you.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at eyeshadow right now. But I just thought it was a teen shouting in a public place.
and I wanted to show them that that's not allowed. And

Speaker 1 instead, it was a girl who worked at Sephora. Even better, a girl who worked at Sephora who liked our podcast.

Speaker 1 And like, how do you know who we are in person?

Speaker 1 Because of our lip colors.

Speaker 1 She knows our shit. It's crap.
It was super fun after I stopped being super bitchy to her.

Speaker 1 I was just at dinner

Speaker 1 down the street, and these two sweet girls at a table, like, they weren't even obnoxious. They They were like, Hey, we're gonna go see your show in a minute.
I was like, Thank you.

Speaker 1 Is that you?

Speaker 1 Now they're fucking obnoxious.

Speaker 1 Everyone's here, everyone's watching. It's because I sugared them up because I bought them fucking chocolate cake.
And I'm watching. She's like, What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 I was like, Send them some cake. I'm like, Do you know them? That's so Hollywood of you.
Big timing it.

Speaker 1 I'll send you cake.

Speaker 1 I can afford $8 cake. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't eat it.

Speaker 1 Eat that cake. Eat the fucking cake.
Eat the cake. Eat it.
That's not a mic. That's a beer cake.
Eat her cake.

Speaker 1 Eat the cake she sends to you.

Speaker 1 Guys, anyhow. Anyhow.
We got to go.

Speaker 1 Live show corner. Oh, Karen.
It's fine. It's fine.

Speaker 1 You have a lifesaver.

Speaker 1 This is just a mint in case I get worried later on. That's weird.

Speaker 1 Gotta have that shit with you. We should have asked for some kind of a

Speaker 1 breakpoint up there. Like what? I was like,

Speaker 1 a private shelf sneeze area they couldn't see through

Speaker 1 so we could have all our secrets.

Speaker 1 What if we have a fucking frame photo of Steven and the cats up there? Is that weird? Couldn't you imagine how great this Christmas would be?

Speaker 1 Sorry. He actually is babysitting the cats.
I feel like every time we do a live show and he's babysitting the cats, it's like how it should be. That's right.
Him away and us here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We drinking and all the glory and him doing the work like Cinderella. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, Damon.

Speaker 1 I'm going to start calling him Steve from now on. Steve.
Because

Speaker 1 he's such a like, if there's anywhere in the world he belongs, it's like Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 He's got the like, he's got the like uneven hair and a tiny borderline Hitler mustache where I'm like, that could be problematic if you lived anywhere else. He's such a Steven.

Speaker 1 So calling him Steve would be such a fucking insult. Bruh's like, Steve.

Speaker 1 Do you jean jacket much, Steve?

Speaker 1 Pick me up in your dad's truck, Steve.

Speaker 1 Oh, an angel. Oh, anyway.

Speaker 1 It started snowing in New York. That's...

Speaker 1 Thanks, you guys. I had better hair earlier, but then the snow came.

Speaker 1 I have really cute coats that don't do anything. Georgia, when I met Georgia today,

Speaker 1 the first time we met. We met, and we really get along.

Speaker 1 I met her on the street corner, and she is wearing the thinnest, I think it's a coat that Jane Fonda wore in Clute. Like, it's just, it's just a very thin, body-shaping, uh, taupe-colored coat.

Speaker 1 It's like, where in the world is Karma San Diego coat, right? Yes,

Speaker 1 with a smaller lapel. Yeah.
And I was like, are you dying in that coat? What are you doing? No. She doesn't give a fuck, you guys.
No, I do give a fuck.

Speaker 1 I just act like i don't oh that's the secret to not giving a fuck oh okay you do you just feel it deep down inside yeah what if we were already getting the light

Speaker 1 end it now you guys all right cut you guys end on a high note that's kind of low bye we just kind of updated you on our date bye

Speaker 1 and then we're gonna leave oh oh i went to a a bar on Friday night called the Vince. Where's Vince? What's it called?

Speaker 1 He's not even fucking good. He left your own show.
I fucking

Speaker 1 get divorced. That's a bar.
What?

Speaker 1 Madero's. Thank you.
I don't know. Thank you.
He was not her husband.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I was at this bar. I think it was like in Cobble Hill.
And

Speaker 1 it was like a kind of a dive-y bar called Madero's. And we ended up sitting, like, talking to locals, which is like the only thing you do in Brooklyn.
It was like the coolest people.

Speaker 1 And like the fucking old-timer, like alcoholic dude who's so cool, was into fucking serial killers.

Speaker 1 And then this like couple comes in, and you could tell that they've been there a lot, lot but they're like cool and young and he was a fucking criminal defense attorney

Speaker 1 cute little baby with like dimples and his fucking girlfriend who's like so cute like this cute little hipster was a fucking um she was a forensic

Speaker 1 uh what is auditor a what a forensic auditor she's fucking she audits shit and then she's like does taxes for dead people

Speaker 1 what no she knows

Speaker 1 and then she's like you're going to jail you fucking bad man. No.
Like, so a company is like, this guy's doing something wrong. And she comes in there and like does the books.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, badass, like, chicks are good at math. Fuck you.
We're not. But like, fuck you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what you were saying in Dimitri. No, I mean, you know what I mean? Fuck you.
What are Roman numerals? I don't know. No one knows.
So we just like, it was just like the best.

Speaker 1 And they were so cool. What is forensic about auditing, though? Well, forensic just means it's law.

Speaker 1 So it's one, like, I know. I wanted there to be like a bone in a file or something.
It's like what? Is this part of a spine? One heart plus one lung and six tabooons equals eight things.

Speaker 1 You're going to jail motherfucker.

Speaker 1 No, it's just like I mean I felt bad for her. She just had to sit in a room and do it.
You know like

Speaker 1 with her like calculator. That seems funny.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for her.

Speaker 1 They were, but it was just like, it was such a fucking, it was so great. You just got to have a real human experience.
Yeah, with people who are obsessed with fucking deathy things.

Speaker 1 God bless. I know.
I mean, that's us, right, everybody? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you, and you, and you.

Speaker 1 We have murders here. And then we have a third person to present a murder, so we should bring her out now.
Let's bring her out. She is.
Our very good friend. You may have seen her on Girl Code.

Speaker 1 You may have seen her stand up all over the nation.

Speaker 1 You may have our... We pre-ordered her book.
Oh, that's right. Called What Delicious?

Speaker 1 An Unfiltered Guide to Being A Bride. I've done that.
Have you guys been a bride? It's fucking terrifying and awful.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 I was just thinking about when I was, and I failed miserably soon after.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, you guys.

Speaker 1 Why is that sad?

Speaker 1 Here's Jamie Lee. Jamie Lee, everybody.

Speaker 1 So phony, let's sit down. This is getting weird.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Hi. Hi, guys.
Am I not supposed to be in the middle? Is this

Speaker 1 aggressive, this microphone? Okay. I'm going to angle that on down.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit in our faces. Let me go ahead and

Speaker 1 bopped mine and it didn't move because that's not how mics work. Does this feel kind of like we're at South by Southwest? On a panel.
Giving a panel about how CDs don't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 Guys, I brought you a gift. What? Yeah.
Stop it. This is for both of you.

Speaker 1 What is it? You'll see. It's a kitten.
What is a kitten? That's actually not far off.

Speaker 1 So because Elvis, he can't travel, he's at home because cats don't travel well,

Speaker 1 I got you an Elvis understudy to bring with you on the road. Let's see it.

Speaker 1 It's Patsy the Podcast Alpaca.

Speaker 1 Isn't she fluffy?

Speaker 1 Isn't she an alpaca? Al Paca.

Speaker 1 Patsy.

Speaker 1 Do you know why she's named Patsy? No, why? Because Patsy. Patsy, Jean Benet Ramsey? Fuck yeah.
Or Mom Benet Ramsey. Mom Benet Ramsey.
Mom Benet Ramsey.

Speaker 1 So you pack her with you and she'll bring you lots of luck and also get fur all over your face. Let's pack her in our suitcase.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Over we go. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 I just like. In her fur, it's just like...
Dashing in the lights.

Speaker 1 It's like the snow outside.

Speaker 1 I'd just like to tell a quick anecdote about when,

Speaker 1 so Jamie Lee and I sometimes take our dogs to the same dog park in Los Angeles, and we ran into each other there. and

Speaker 1 she was asking me about this date and this was a couple months ago

Speaker 1 and said because she was going to be in New York at the same time and she was like what when is it because I don't want to go to that show and I go why don't you be the guest and she goes oh my god like that I like I wish I could explain sorry that was really hard but I wish I could explain her fucking one direction reaction when I asked her to be the guest.

Speaker 1 It was the sweetest thing of all time. And then you texted me and you were like, hey, is it cool if Jamie's the guest? I know.
I already told her she's the guest. And I was like, of course.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. You were like, hey, how about Jamie Lee is the guest? I'm like, yes.
I'm like, good, because I already told her she's the guest. Yeah, I already have it.
I already asked her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was, thank fucking God. What if I was like, no?

Speaker 1 And here you are. Is this right? I don't know.
I think super high.

Speaker 1 Oh, this feels good. Super high is built it down like a little bit of a head.
Should we go ahead? Should we? Let's get underneath it.

Speaker 1 That's very Tom-Tom.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't know what, I don't know how we, and what do we even.

Speaker 1 Everyone listen. Oh, yeah, I like it up there.
Like the reckoning at home is like, what is happening right now? Listeners at playbase. You're missing nothing.
There's a lot of mic work going on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 who goes first in this situation? Let's make the guest go first. No, not fucking me.
You go first. I don't know what I'm doing.
Go first. Really?

Speaker 1 I told you. They're so nice.

Speaker 1 Like, right? Are you.

Speaker 1 Nah, I won't. Okay, guys.
Are you going to be mad? Am I going to be?

Speaker 1 Are you mad right now?

Speaker 1 I'm like, no. And then afterwards, I'm like, Karen, can I talk to you for a minute? I'm going to see you in that really small bathroom back there.

Speaker 1 Should we do one of us and then Jamie and then the other one? I would love that.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, clearly.
I would love that. Just to get in the zone, you know? Got to warm up.

Speaker 1 Could you use rock, paper, scissors? Yeah, I don't know who goes first.

Speaker 1 Are you fucking super? I'll go first. No, no, no.
I was just trying to think of who went first last time. Does anyone know who went first? I was like,

Speaker 1 thank you, thank you. My God.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Can we get the notes, last week's notes, please? Who's the secretary of this club? Could you read the minutes back, please? Because that's what I meant. You're not paying attention.

Speaker 1 This is something that we could have figured out while we were at Sephora. Why would we do that?

Speaker 1 No. Any other time that we've been here for the past 20 hours? How charming was that, though? When we just like didn't know, because we don't even think about it.
The torso killer.

Speaker 1 Anyone?

Speaker 1 Move the alpaca. I don't give a fuck what you can see.
Shut your mouth. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Really? Do you not know how to be in public? You don't get to talk.

Speaker 1 No talking. And now when I meet you afterwards, I'm going to get in your fucking face.

Speaker 1 There's no, oh, no.

Speaker 1 Patsy fell over. Patsy died.
When Karen is angry, it's Patsy, Patsy falls over. Wait, ask me.
I need you to stop fucking talking.

Speaker 1 Ask Patsy if she wants a cookie.

Speaker 1 It's gonna be so disappointing and I'm gonna get no no she'll she'll say something just ask her yeah Patsy you want a cookie yes

Speaker 1 no she's a lot more eloquent than your cat i'm sorry

Speaker 1 it's my cheat day

Speaker 1 i'm not doing carbs right now but i'll make an exception for you girls thanks pats patsy's really high class she's a little emo but we're working through it

Speaker 1 and we're back hi i love patsy the alpaca that's just i mean it's always great to bring some props yeah and it's classy to bring a gift to the hosts. Always.
Jamie Lee, classy lady.

Speaker 1 We also, I think it's really funny. I'm still talking about the lipstick from the crown.
I know.

Speaker 1 It won't go away. I didn't realize how much of a theme there was until we started doing these.
Or do I have some sort of obsessive-compulsive disorder? I mean, what in the hell?

Speaker 1 And then I just pull out my makeup drawer and there's 1,000 lipsticks inside.

Speaker 1 Do you do that? We're like, I love this color. And you get home and you have three of them already.
I can't stop. Oh my God.
Especially now that we're on video. It's like,

Speaker 1 well, where is the lipstick that's going to bring it all home for me? Totally. Like, this is the one that's going to be like, and like, should I try orange lipstick?

Speaker 1 Like, I know it's old-fashioned, but like, the old grandmas who had orange, like straight up orange lipstick, I've been kind of like, oh, yeah, get into that. Should I? They're rocking out coral

Speaker 1 feel. Coral lipstick.
Very Florida in the 60s. All right.
I'll try it. Just for anybody that gets upset or worried, that heckler that I yelled at was totally fine.
We laughed about it after.

Speaker 1 We took pictures. It was all good.
I think that's like the beginning of the Karen. I hope Karen yells at me from the audience, period.
Like, I think that made people want. Like, I know they do.

Speaker 1 They want you to yell at them. That's like their dream in the audience.
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 When you are at a live show and somebody else decides this is, I'm in this too, the rest of the audience hates it, but they can't do anything about it.

Speaker 1 So at least it'd stand up long enough to know that if you just kind of take it in hand and are mean, then everyone else is like, great, we'll all do that then. Right.
And we'll

Speaker 1 all not do that. Right.
But over the years, we learned it's like, you have to do it in a nicer way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was just like, my thing was podcast audiences were so weird compared to what I was used to in stand-up. Because we didn't know what we were doing.

Speaker 1 Like, as an audience member, it was totally new, kind of. Totally new.
Unless you were totally new. You know, you went to fucking Ira Glass's, like beautiful,

Speaker 1 you know, an NPR thing that was fancy. And so there probably were no hecklers.
I would love it if there were hecklers in an NPR ironglass. He's interviewing someone about something really sensitive.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, don't tell me. And someone just keeps going.
He's yelling the answers. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Oh, what?

Speaker 1 Paula Poundstone. I saw you do stand-ups.
Oh, sorry. I'm used to my favorite murder live shows.
I didn't know what this was.

Speaker 1 I thought this was like a stream of consciousness shouting match that we all agreed to pay for. But no, I guess I'm wrong.
I thought I was the main character, but it turns out no.

Speaker 1 Another thing to remember, not just criticizing the audience for being new,

Speaker 1 but this was the show where I was the tour agent. So

Speaker 1 I booked, I called the bell house was like, said, okay, we have a podcast. Can we come and do it there? They're like, sure.

Speaker 1 They're expecting 80 to 100 people to come.

Speaker 1 Then when we announce it, they start getting calls and they sell out in three minutes.

Speaker 1 And it was the beginning of us starting to understand what was actually happening in reality as opposed to what was happening in George's apartment. Right.

Speaker 1 And the people at the bell house were like, what did you do? What is this? Like, we are overrun. And we were just like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.
Yeah, that was wild.

Speaker 1 I think after this, we finally let our tour agent book shows from then on because it was. Our touring agent came to us and was like, heard about the bell house.
Please, yeah. Yeah.
Please let me know.

Speaker 1 I've actually got a plan. I was like, no, I'll be the touring agent.
Karen's got it. She knows someone at the bell house.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Karen's going to go back to all the places where she bombed doing stand-up comedy and see if they remember her name. And then that will be our tour.
Sounds great, Karen.

Speaker 1 I didn't know any better. Like, you know, when have I booked a fucking show before? Who knows? I mean, it was a fun idea.
We were like, hey, we should do this live since.

Speaker 1 Since it's going well, that was the energy behind it. All right, let's get into this story because this is a big one and this is just crazy awful.

Speaker 1 And there are multiple updates which I want to hear about. So let's listen to Karen's story about the torso killer.

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Speaker 1 Can I please talk about the torso killer?

Speaker 1 He's your fucking killer.

Speaker 1 And I want to tell you about him.

Speaker 1 So there's a name, a man named Richard Francis Cottingham, and he did a little work in the 80s here in the New York City metropolitan area that I don't know if anybody knows about.

Speaker 1 I actually had never heard of him, and someone else, like in passing, a friend of mine, was like, Have you ever heard of the torso killer?

Speaker 1 And I got all up in their face, like, that's Cleveland, that's not gonna help me. And then they're like, No, no, no, New York City had their own torso killer.
And I was like, Well, God bless America.

Speaker 1 And this took place primarily in 1980. And so I looked up on a website what was happening in 1980 that was different than 2016.
And so

Speaker 1 I'll just list a couple things just to paint the picture, just to set it up for you. Georgia was born

Speaker 1 in 1980?

Speaker 1 Oh, girl, you look good.

Speaker 1 Oh, my Mexico stoop.

Speaker 1 That was a straight compliment.

Speaker 1 Marine is using Patsy as a

Speaker 1 music stand.

Speaker 1 Patsy was used for years and years by John Ramsey. Oh, yeah.
Shit, general. I don't know.
That's right. I don't know.
Anything can happen at the Bell House.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine if John Ramsey walked on stage?

Speaker 1 That's our surprise guest is fucking John Ramsey.

Speaker 1 John Ramsey is here. Just tell his side of the story.
Fucking flip the table. Fuck, dude.

Speaker 1 The torso killer. Fuck.

Speaker 1 In 1980,

Speaker 1 in New York, but also everywhere else, did you know there was no answering machines?

Speaker 1 Like, they had invented them, and corporate corporations would use them, and like rich people had them, but they weren't actually mass-marketed until 1984.

Speaker 1 Isn't that precious?

Speaker 1 So cute. So if you wanted to call somebody and they weren't home, the phone would just ring and ring and ring.

Speaker 1 All right

Speaker 1 also

Speaker 1 There were pay phones everywhere and they weren't as dirty as they are now

Speaker 1 Here in New York this subway was insanely scary. Oh, yeah

Speaker 1 you they used tokens and everybody had a knife

Speaker 1 I believe studio 54 was peaking. It was about to close but it was like peaking just to the point where it was like all the people who still thought cocaine was good for you were having a great time

Speaker 1 and then like New Year's Eve and it was like January 1st, 81 and they were just like everybody's gonna die. Yeah,

Speaker 1 um, you could smoke anywhere, you could smoke inside of an operating room, it was the best.

Speaker 1 There were a shit ton of mimes

Speaker 1 all right, we're good.

Speaker 1 That mime was just so pissed off that he fucking

Speaker 1 That mind threw down his drink and fucking stormed out.

Speaker 1 But silently, he didn't yell. He was just like, drink.
How dare you talk about

Speaker 1 the quantity of mimes? Now there's just me.

Speaker 1 And of course, there was graffiti everywhere, and there's litter everywhere. And also, there was a ton of murder.
Just a shit ton.

Speaker 1 Yes, congratulations.

Speaker 1 So there was a man named Richard Francis Cottingham. And he was 31 years old at this time he was a computer operator and a valued employee of the blue cross blue shield in new york it's not a plug

Speaker 1 we're getting paid a ton of money by blue cross to not talk about that blue shield uh he was married with three children and he also raped sodomized, killed, and mutilated six sex workers in New York and New Jersey.

Speaker 1 Congratulations.

Speaker 1 What a fun guy. Yeah.
Yeah. That was great story.
That was a sassy good time.

Speaker 1 So I read this article by a guy named Peter Vronsky, and it seemed like he was a writer, but when he tells it, I mean, like,

Speaker 1 he is, it's a great article. So obviously, he's a talented writer, but he was talking about at the time he used to run film from Montreal, get it developed in New York City, and then take it back.

Speaker 1 And you can't just like send, they don't ever ship like movie film like that. You have to have a guy do it so that nothing happens to the film.

Speaker 1 So he would come down with the film and he would get a stipend to get a hotel room for the night and then go back.

Speaker 1 But of course, he was like a young punk, so he didn't want to spend his money on a hotel room. So he would save the money and like eat, he would go to art openings and eat cheese and drink wine

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 get a hotel room in a really, really seedy hotel. And so this one time he did it, the film took longer than they expected.
So he ended up getting kind of stuck in Hell's Kitchen. And it was back then?

Speaker 1 No. Yeah, right?

Speaker 1 No, thanks.

Speaker 1 There was a hotel on 10th Avenue and

Speaker 1 in Hell's Kitchen. And

Speaker 1 he was standing at the elevator one day, and it was taking forever. And he was getting kind of irritated.

Speaker 1 When it finally opened, there was just like this super bland guy who came out of the elevator holding a bag. And the

Speaker 1 Why then? Because something's going to happen.

Speaker 1 I can tell something's going to happen. Got it, got it.

Speaker 1 He comes out of the elevator, and his bag

Speaker 1 touches Peter Vronsky on the leg. And then, but then the guy moves on.
He said he looked a little bit sweaty, like he'd just been doing something.

Speaker 1 But then, but he, other than that, he was kind of vague, and then he left.

Speaker 1 So Peter Vronsky goes up to the floor where his hotel room is going to be to check out just how horrible his stay is going to be, because he knows it's going to be bad.

Speaker 1 And when he gets up there, there are little pieces of like burned material in the air and he can smell smoke. It smells like someone burnt hair or something.

Speaker 1 So, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 as he's walking down the hallway to get to his room,

Speaker 1 he now starts to see smoke in the hallway and the smell is starting to get really bad and you start to realize it's the smell of death.

Speaker 1 This is not just a normal fire. There's a dead body somewhere.
And then, right then, the fire alarms go off.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what happened? I just looked at the fire. I just feel like,

Speaker 1 I just got chills. I'm just very invested.

Speaker 1 He goes back downstairs, and

Speaker 1 a room was on fire.

Speaker 1 And when the firemen went in, they found two bodies, one on each of the single beds. And when one of the firemen picked the body up and pulled it out into the hallway

Speaker 1 to do CPR on it.

Speaker 1 No head, no hand.

Speaker 1 What did you think was going to happen?

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Ewa.

Speaker 1 Oh no.

Speaker 1 Wait, sorry, did you say no head, no hands? Is that what you said? Yes, no head, no hands. No fucking dental records, no fucking fingerprints.
That's right.

Speaker 1 So he,

Speaker 1 a couple years later, when Richard Cottingham gets caught and his picture is on the news, Peter Vronsky sees his picture and goes, That's the guy that passed me when he came out of the elevator.

Speaker 1 With a bag? With the bag with heads in it.

Speaker 1 And hands.

Speaker 1 Anyway, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 Was it a nice bag? Was it to me?

Speaker 1 Was it large? What's the large brown bag? What's the large brown bag? From Bloomingdale. Bloomingdale.
Oh yeah, big brown bag. Big brown bag.

Speaker 1 So is it La Sports sack?

Speaker 1 Oh, is it Goodwill?

Speaker 1 Guys, I'm about to talk about the dead bodies. Okay, sorry.

Speaker 1 Those missing parts were never found.

Speaker 1 But their clothes, there was two sex workers whose clothes were found neatly folded and put into the bathtub along with their fancy boots.

Speaker 1 And there was...

Speaker 1 Very little blood on the beds. So they don't understand, and there was very little blood in the room.

Speaker 1 So they don't understand, they don't understand the method at that point of what happened, where it happened, because it didn't seem possible that he could have gotten all of that taken care of in the room.

Speaker 1 Also, how did he kill one person and then the other, and the other person doesn't make enough noise that somebody knows what's going on.

Speaker 1 Again, they're in hell's kitchen.

Speaker 1 So through x-rays, they identify Dita Godzari, who is a 23-year-old sex worker from New Jersey, who's the mother of a four-month-old baby.

Speaker 1 And the other victim was in her late teens, and she has never been identified to this day.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 so.

Speaker 1 Fuck with that look.

Speaker 1 So, six months later,

Speaker 1 six months later, at the Seville Hotel on 29th Street near Madison,

Speaker 1 he kills a 25-year-old named Gene Raynor.

Speaker 1 And it was the same exact thing where they go in, they find the dead body, and this time

Speaker 1 it's gonna be bad.

Speaker 1 He cut off her breasts and put them on the headboard

Speaker 1 before he lit the room on fire. So now we're gonna cut to the Hasbroke Heights quality in.
You guys have been there.

Speaker 1 The irony of quality in. Anytime the word quality is in the title, it's stark opposite.
Good enough in. in.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's called bed bugs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the maid is vacuuming, as they are wont to do, and when she goes to vacuum under the bed,

Speaker 1 it hits something.

Speaker 1 And when she lifts up the mattress,

Speaker 1 it is the disfigured corpse of 19-year-old Valerie Street,

Speaker 1 who's also a sex worker.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So essentially,

Speaker 1 our boy, Richard Coddington,

Speaker 1 what he would do is pick up sex workers

Speaker 1 and he would oftentimes he would give them a date rape drug and

Speaker 1 they would wake up in the hotel with the tape on their mouth and he and

Speaker 1 handcuffed with their hands behind their back

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 then basically he would torture them for hours at a time.

Speaker 1 And they were at these horrible hotels where people would be screaming and no one was doing anything that's the that's the craziest thing is that

Speaker 1 well i mean he until he put the tape over their mouths but he must have like the planning the planning of it must have been that they drugged them long enough and then covered it but the you mind your business in those fucking hotels right that's exactly right you don't want to point fingers when the three are pointing back at you do you remember the movie big when tom hanks becomes big and he goes and stays in the hotel for the first time and it's like the same and he gets like super scared and sad it was like times square oh yes think it's totally times Square.

Speaker 1 You're 12 and crying. And you're 12.
But you're also a man. But you're a man boy.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 his next victim was a not a prostitute, a sex worker. Sorry, I keep saying prostitute in this article.
It was a 26-year-old radiologist named Marianne Carr.

Speaker 1 And they think that he knew her in real life, in his

Speaker 1 weird other life in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 And she had basically died the same way, and she was found up against a chain link fence. So it was all kind of the same thing, but it turns out

Speaker 1 she was just a nurse and a regular person.

Speaker 1 How would he have found her and known her if he didn't already know her? Right. Right? Yes.
And you, shut up.

Speaker 1 He wouldn't have, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 So then basically, the way he gets caught, sorry, I

Speaker 1 should have left Sephora earlier organized this part better

Speaker 1 and find the thing the oh it's on this the way he uh the way he gets caught is um

Speaker 1 wait for it he takes he takes wait for it he takes a girl back to the same quality inn in Hasburg Heights where the body was found under the bed and

Speaker 1 But this time,

Speaker 1 there were reports of a woman screaming. Finally, someone was paying attention.
getting together and uh

Speaker 1 they

Speaker 1 when the cops come in there's a man trying to calmly walk out as if he doesn't yeah look I'm just here at the quality inn chilling

Speaker 1 just on vacay quality inn I just like to come over here and just think just get my thoughts together at the QI they have free Wi-Fi Wi-Fi's not a thing yet what are you talking about it's not a thing

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 so basically the cops get him and then when they go into the room they find a girl handcuffed, hysterical, and she's been tortured for a long time.

Speaker 1 But there's finally a survivor that can tell everybody, this fucking motherfucker that you think is some normal guy that works at Blue Shield Blue Cross is actually this insane serial killer.

Speaker 1 So when they search Cottingham's home, they find a trophy room containing personal effects from several of the murdered sex workers. And

Speaker 1 there actually he had actually been arrested twice in the early 70s. That nobody knew about that.

Speaker 1 That would never come up. And so, yeah, he had personal things that connected him.
There was no way it couldn't have been him. We'll get to the chase.

Speaker 1 In May of 1981, he was convicted on 15 felony counts related to the murder of Valerie Street.

Speaker 1 And he drew a sentence of 173 to 197 years in prison. And then a year later, he was convicted on second-degree murder charges for Marianne Carr.
And that added another 20 years to his life. And

Speaker 1 that is how sentencing is fucking done. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I was just reading the last paragraph. Yep, it sure is.

Speaker 1 It totally, oh, there was just this list of

Speaker 1 this is what he was indicted on. This is what the person read in court.

Speaker 1 Kidnapping, attempted murder, aggravated assault, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, aggravated sexual assault while armed, aggravated sexual assault while armed.

Speaker 1 Oh, the first one was rape, the second was sodomy, aggravated a sexual assault while armed.

Speaker 1 That was fellatio, possession of a weapon, possession of controlled dangerous substances, secobarbital, and amobarbital, or tuinol, and possession of controlled dangerous substance, diazepam, or valium.

Speaker 1 In other words, he was the total package.

Speaker 1 Wow. That's Richard Cottington Cottingham, the seared neck torso killer.
Yay!

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back. Karen.
We are back. You want to give us some updates? Such a horrible, I mean, obviously, it's just redundant.
This is a true crime podcast.

Speaker 1 When you describe one story as being horrible and violent, then you just have another story that's horrible and violent.

Speaker 1 Unless you're taking a left turn on our podcast, how many times have we said this is one of the worst? Like,

Speaker 1 how many times

Speaker 1 can there be? A lot.

Speaker 1 Every time. It's always like these stories have extreme violence.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, it's a true crime podcast, but this serial killer in particular, it is so cold and calculated and repetitive and insanely violent.

Speaker 1 It's just like, yeah, and the victims are so young and just vulnerable. And yeah.
So Richard Cottingham, the torso killer, remains in prison and he continues to confess to his crimes.

Speaker 1 So in 2022, he confessed to an additional five murders.

Speaker 1 Those victims were Diane Kusick, 23, Mary Beth Hines, 21, Laverne Moy, 23, Sheila Hyman, 33, Emerita Rosato-Nieves, who was 18. And those are just more horrible murders.

Speaker 1 So he's been found guilty of 17 murders, but he claims to have killed at least 100 women. It's just, he's an animal.
It's insanity.

Speaker 1 That's one of those ones where, like, some of them, those killers were brag and like inflate their numbers.

Speaker 1 But if he's continuing to confess and has like five that he can be confirmed to, it's kind of seems believable. Yes.
You know, completely. I mean, there's no reason not to believe.
Totally.

Speaker 1 It's not the Ottistool situation where they're just doing it to get out of jail. Totally.
Okay. Now we're going to get into George's story about Emmet St.
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Goodbye.

Speaker 1 Jamie, do you want to go? I would feel weird going last. Do you want to go last? Sure.
Okay. Is that okay? Because I don't want to like,

Speaker 1 I don't want to like wrap it up. Like, cause, and then Georgia goes.
So let's have Jamie go last. Okay.
Is that cool?

Speaker 1 Do it. Yeah.
We go. Okay.
Totally. Yep.
Okay. All right.
And so, okay, I really, I really, this murder is really fucked up, but I got really scared that someone in here knows the victim.

Speaker 1 So I apologize.

Speaker 1 I just apologize constantly. That's basically what I do.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So, Emmette Saint Guyan. Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? No? Okay, good.
Like they're going to say. I mean, yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's my aunt. Okay.
So

Speaker 1 Emmett was born in Boston, and in 2003, she enrolled in the John Jay

Speaker 1 College of Criminal Justice, which is a

Speaker 1 SUNY college in Manhattan.

Speaker 1 They couldn't come up with anything more than John Jay

Speaker 1 Criminal Justice College.

Speaker 1 I don't know who he is.

Speaker 1 John Jay Criminal Justice College.

Speaker 1 His name is not nobody's name.

Speaker 1 Let's name the college.

Speaker 1 So she was going to pursue, basically, she's one of us. She was going to pursue a master's degree in criminal justice.

Speaker 1 So like immediately, we want to have a drink with her and fucking hang out with her, right?

Speaker 1 She was one of the top 5% of her class, and she was supposed to graduate in May 2006. And so, in February 2006, she goes to celebrate her birthday with her friend Claire.

Speaker 1 They go out, they're at a nightclub. It's always a friend, Claire, yeah, Claire,

Speaker 1 Claire. Oh, everyone's trying to.
I'm not saying her last name on purpose because I feel fucking bad for this girl. I really mean

Speaker 1 tried. Um, so 3:30, which by the way, this fucking 4 a.m.
shit, like you can stay out till 4 a.m. in New York.
Fuck no, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 That is a terrible idea. It is kind of around the witching hour.
You've got to be careful. Like, stay as far away from dawn as possible.
You know what I mean? Party till 11:45 and go to the bottom.

Speaker 1 Great, great.

Speaker 1 But you know, she's a baby. So

Speaker 1 they go to a nightclub to celebrate her birthday. And then the Claire's like, let's get the fuck out of here.
I called a cab. And then Emet's like, I'm staying out.

Speaker 1 And they are like, I'm going to burp. Hold on.

Speaker 1 Then Emmett,

Speaker 1 no, no.

Speaker 1 Those are loyal fans. They're like, let it out, Georgia.

Speaker 1 Do you?

Speaker 1 It's terrible. I don't want this to be me.
It also sounded like a cart, kind of like a cart, if somebody wrote out a cartoon burp where it's like,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Like Tim the Tool Man Taylor.

Speaker 1 It's me.

Speaker 1 So like, fucking Claire is like, get in the fucking cab. And Emmett's like, nope, bitch, I'm staying out.
And like, we've all done it. We've all done it.
You always listen to Claire.

Speaker 1 And at 3:50, Claire calls her and is like, are you okay? And

Speaker 1 Emmett's like,

Speaker 1 I am going to this bar called The Falls.

Speaker 1 It's at 4 a.m.

Speaker 1 You just know this. What? I heard.
That was a good stage whisper.

Speaker 1 Okay. So the next evening, they're like, where the fuck is Emmett? Like, she's fucking missing a shit.

Speaker 1 And so someone, an anonymous caller, calls the Brooklyn police and is like, I saw a fucking dead woman's body. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Does anyone know where Fountain Street and Spring Creek Park is? Nope. No, that was a vague whoop.

Speaker 1 And it turns out that it's fucking Emmett St. Guillaume.
Guillain.

Speaker 1 Okay, you guys, this sucks.

Speaker 1 She's nude and wrapped in a comforter.

Speaker 1 Her fucking fingernails are broken, showing that she fought as fuck, which like get a girl. No.

Speaker 1 Hands and feet tied. Oh, sock in her fucking mouth.
Like, hair had been cut off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Beaten, sexually assaulted.

Speaker 1 How dare? She's like, what kind of cut? The Rachel?

Speaker 1 In that whole list, she's upset about the hair. Can I go on about how she was fucking murdered? I know, I know.
Stop. I know.
This is the whole problem.

Speaker 1 And she died of asphyxiation, and I don't even want to tell you about the fact that she she had, it was because she had packing tape wrapped around her poor sweet face.

Speaker 1 According to the forensic psychologist,

Speaker 1 the forensic psychologist said that the killer tried to dehumanize her completely. When you hide someone's face, it means that you don't want to see them as a human being.

Speaker 1 You want to pretend they're just an object. And hair cutting, too, I think is part of that, right?

Speaker 1 Where it's like, it's something aggressively male to cut a woman's hair, which sounds so stupid, but like, I think when you're a fucking murderer, it's true. Yes? No? Yeah.
Thoughts? Feelings?

Speaker 1 Well, it's also a weird thing because it's like, he's like, I want to murder humans. But I don't want to murder a human.
It's like, what? Make your money.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Fucking shifty weird.
I want to murder humans, but I also like to cut hair.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the last time that Emmett had been seen, she was with one of the bouncers at this bar called The Falls. And this bartender had been asked to escort her out of this bar before closing.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 another bouncer saw her talking to her in front of the bar.

Speaker 1 So the dude, the fucking bouncer was an ex-con, had spent more than 12 years in prison for drug possession and robbery.

Speaker 1 And he was on parole, which means he shouldn't have gotten a fucking job, but they didn't do any background checks on him. He wasn't a licensed security guard.

Speaker 1 Staying out past curfew was a parole violation. Like he shouldn't have fucking been hired.
Okay, but the dude who owned the fucking bar, whose name was Dorian, he

Speaker 1 didn't want, he said that he had never, he didn't see her, he didn't know who she was, and later admitted that he knew who she was. And he said he didn't want to get involved because

Speaker 1 years earlier, his father's bar had suffered poor publicity in lawsuits after a patron was murdered. A different bar.
Guess what fucking bar it is? Guess what fucking murder is? The one up town.

Speaker 1 Preppy. Preppy murders.
The fucking preppy murders.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 What the fuck are the chances?

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 The guy that owns the falls

Speaker 1 own Dorian's

Speaker 1 red hand, right?

Speaker 1 Red hand. Dorian's red hand, right?

Speaker 1 Which we've covered. You're just yelling all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 If you've listened to this for a little while. You've been to that bar.
Have you really? I have. I was very sad there.
I don't know. Preppy guys don't hit on me.
Anyways, it's my own struggle.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to the girl who died. I'm be glad about not getting hit on at that fucking bar.
Okay, so the owner is the fucking same dude. Yeah, crazy, right?

Speaker 1 So the dude, the fucking

Speaker 1 bouncer, whose name now, okay, I'm going to say his name is Daryl Littlejohn. His basement apartment is searched in Queens,

Speaker 1 and carpet fibers are found that match.

Speaker 1 her on the adhesive tape, blood and skin matching. Little John's DNA are found on the plastic ties,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 also from a snowbrush found next to the body. So, like, I don't know how he bled.
I heard something about like a nosebleed, but I'm like, why would you get a fucking nosebleed?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't understand how that happens. Yeah, you're like a murderer, but you're also like kind of a geek.
You're like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Cokehead. She scratched the shit out of your face.
Okay, cokehead actually makes sense. Cokehead makes sense.

Speaker 1 If you're a bouncer, I'm so sorry, bouncers, but especially like in 2006, you're a fucking cokehead. Careful, careful.
careful. Hey!

Speaker 1 Okay, so, whoa, whoa, whoa,

Speaker 1 a bunch of old shits found on the DNA. It fucking matches as fuck.
And then

Speaker 1 additional evidence. And they like ping the fucking towers, which is like the new DNA, I feel like.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 And then traces of GHB were found in her system.

Speaker 1 which is not a punk band. It's a date rape drug.

Speaker 1 So the fucking bar owner says like i don't know i didn't see her and then then he later says he didn't want to get involved and but a bunch of people were like he has ties

Speaker 1 his family has ties to rudy giuliani so a lot of people are like this is actually the killer but he's got it covered up and he was being frame and the other dude was being framed to protect Rudy Giuliani's family, who was like running for shit at the time.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 don't say what. It makes me feel like I'm fucking up.
Don't say what. Okay.
So no. We can hear every word.
You know, we're like,

Speaker 1 okay, all right.

Speaker 1 They had gotten poor publicity after the fucking Dorian's red hand.

Speaker 1 And then,

Speaker 1 okay, so he, mm-mm,

Speaker 1 okay. So finally, Dorian admits what he saw that night.
And ready for a fucking piece of shit? Okay.

Speaker 1 He says, there was a young lady sitting at the bar who didn't want to leave. I told her it was time to leave.
And she said, I'll leave when I'm finished with my drink.

Speaker 1 Says fucking and that which is like yes girl and then he says either finish it or I'm gonna pour it out and so she finishes it

Speaker 1 then

Speaker 1 he says she was just getting up to leave and I told little John Daryl little John to escort her out which is like call a fucking cab you've never done any fucking background check on this dude like you don't know who this person is and you're sending her out in the fucking world as a drunk person well it's the bouncer though so then they're just like send him out with the bouncer yeah i mean i would trust a bouncer i wouldn't i would ask a bouncer to illicitly

Speaker 1 trust bouncers yes that's what sucks about it they're not they're not drinking they're

Speaker 1 big and nice they're the old

Speaker 1 shoulders they're very cool like i trustworthy shoulders

Speaker 1 low-key individuals that sit on stools yeah just like they don't want to be there

Speaker 1 they're like

Speaker 1 a bunch of drinko-in digital dig heads that they have to do like yeah yes i get it

Speaker 1 So the other bouncer named Tim said that Emmett was slurring her words and that she had been slumped over at the bar, but then he was just like bye and like walked in the other direction.

Speaker 1 Like he just left them. And then Dorian said that he saw them.
He saw Emmett and Little John fighting outside.

Speaker 1 Okay, so he gets arrested, he gets fucking charged with all this shit, and then his defense attorney says that Dorian, the fucking bar owner, might have been the real killer and that maybe Little John was fucking bringing women back to the club to like as a thing, but it's like clearly not.

Speaker 1 Oh, so they like float a conspiracy.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because that doesn't seem unlikely. The other things I've heard about Dorian's red hand.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he also said he told police that he had been banged up after a quarrel with his girlfriend a couple days after her body was found. It's like,

Speaker 1 why are you beat up? Right? That's like the first thing you look for. Yeah.
Okay. So they never investigated him.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So the bar closes. It loses liquor license, and little John is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

Speaker 1 Okay, so, okay, so the judge says not one of these people spared a thought to the wisdom of sending an intoxicated young woman out into the deserted streets of Manhattan at 4 a.m.

Speaker 1 If only one of them had the common decency to call a cab taxi, we might not have. We might not be there here in this courtroom, which is like so fucking true, Right? Like,

Speaker 1 you're responsible at that point. It is true.
It's super true. It's very, very true.
True, true, true.

Speaker 1 If you're going to own a bar and not take responsibility for a fucking alone woman slumped at a bar and just send her out.

Speaker 1 Well, and the other thing is that it's that thing of like being overserved or did you drink too much? Like, if you go to a bar, you have to be careful.

Speaker 1 And I think, I mean, it's just that thing of like, you can't just trust the bouncer, you can't just trust that other people will take care of you. It'd be nice, yeah, but it might not happen.

Speaker 1 And whether or not the bouncer just walks her out and lets her leave, like, he might not be a murderer, but he also, the bar owner, the bartender should be aware of that she's being at least somewhat taken care of.

Speaker 1 And yeah, she could be fucking drugged, and we don't know that. Like, it's so easy these days.
Watch your drinks, you guys.

Speaker 1 You know, also the funny thing is, like, and these days, then you're super drunk, and they watch you get into an Uber, which is a car that a stranger is driving.

Speaker 1 Like, who knows who that fucking guy is? It's just organized hitchhiking. Oh!

Speaker 1 Oh, that was great. It's true.
Where is this female-only Uber we've been promised? I keep hearing about it and I fucking want it. Did you make that up? No, it's a thing.

Speaker 1 There's like a new, it's supposed to be like women driving women only.

Speaker 1 And like, or like if you're a woman and you're with a dude, it's okay, but you have to be a woman. Like, and it's women drivers good night.
Huh. Okay.
I'm not on, I need to get on that email channel.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't need to be because it's not, I've heard about it for two years, and it's not happening. Oh, okay.
It should be. All right.
So let that dream go. Let it go.
Let it go.

Speaker 1 You're going to get, we're going to get. Okay.

Speaker 1 So then while he's being fucking arrested and tried, another woman comes forward because she sees his fucking face on TV and is like, that's the dude who fucking dressed like a police officer, handcuffed me, and fucking sexually assaulted me.

Speaker 1 They linked the DNA.

Speaker 1 It was him. He He was a fucking uh repeat sex assault.

Speaker 1 Yep, there you go.

Speaker 1 Another fucking woman's like, that dude fucking did that to me. And then

Speaker 1 and she said that this other woman said that he wrapped her face up almost exactly like he did to this poor fucking baby girl Emmett. Okay, so the good news

Speaker 1 is that in 2007, New York enacted a law requiring security cameras at the entrances and exits of all the 200

Speaker 1 nightclubs that held a cabaret license, which is so charming. Just like jazz hands.
If you're doing jazz hands, you got to get that using a stool as a prop.

Speaker 1 It almost makes you think that they have clean bathrooms, and you fucking know they don't.

Speaker 1 You know, like you can't call it a cabaret, and it's like graffiti bathrooms with no fucking thing.

Speaker 1 My parents, my parents owned a rock club and they had something in Dallas, Texas, where I grew up. And

Speaker 1 they had a thing called a dance hall license. And I always thought it was so funny to call it a dance hall because it's like you a fucking guar,

Speaker 1 you know, like literally like spraying like fake semen and blood on the audience. And it's like, we've got a dance hall.
It's like, no. Come on,

Speaker 1 dance out. It's a CBD.
Semen with a dance mode.

Speaker 1 And then.

Speaker 1 Sorry to say semen hang out.

Speaker 1 No, we have to say it once every episode, or they they just, it doesn't happen. So

Speaker 1 they have to have

Speaker 1 fucking videos and the club owners agree to a voluntary guidelines.

Speaker 1 So they scan all of the identifications so they know who comes in and out and they have to screen them for fucking weapons, which has never happened to me in my life.

Speaker 1 Has that happened to you?

Speaker 1 Oh, I get patted down all the time. Yeah.
I really do.

Speaker 1 And they also have to provide more care in dealing with intoxicated female patrons who are alone, which is great.

Speaker 1 So, and then Boston did the same thing. And then also John Jay College of Criminal Justice, they

Speaker 1 started an Emmet St. Guillaume scholarship for second-year students at the college.
And

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they've also created a Spirit of Emet Foundation intended to support education for underprivileged children. And then that motherfucker, Daryl Littlejohn, is in jail forever.
Thank fuck.

Speaker 1 Prison forever. Thank fucking God.
That was was nice. That was a good ending.
Thank you. That was a real up ending.
Just a shitty little John, not the fun one that says, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Little John. You know what he does? Am I going to, is that right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's not that one.
It's not that one.

Speaker 1 Okay. We're back, Georgia.
Are there updates to this case? This case just really hits you because we've all been in situations like that.

Speaker 1 I think every woman who was in the bell house that night has experienced a similar situation where,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm really glad they changed a lot to be like, you need to look out for drunk women and like can't just kick them out of your bar. Right.
That's just not how you do it.

Speaker 1 So there are no case updates. However, just a little note that rapper Lil John has continued to thrive since 2016.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 Don't worry about Lil John. He's fine.
Right. And then this is a three-story episode.
How exciting is that? And also also how ill-planned. What were we doing?

Speaker 1 Why would we, yeah, everybody bring a story and we'll have a three-hour show. And then Jamie totally divide us by just saying, I'm not doing a New York murder.
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 She's like, I'm doing my favorite. The end.
Yeah. Okay.
So now it's time for our guest, Jamie Lee's story about Dee Dee Blanchard.

Speaker 1 Okay, guys. All right.
Man, here we go. I know.

Speaker 1 Chat here, guys. I really appreciate the support.
It's a lot of pressure, you know, it's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 1 Got these two experts.

Speaker 1 If it sounded sarcastic, it was 100% not.

Speaker 1 You both told me that I should do, you're like, oh, we're doing a show in New York, so maybe do a New York murder. And I didn't.

Speaker 1 I just straight up was like, no.

Speaker 1 I do what I want. I do Jamie Lee because

Speaker 1 I thought about the title of the podcast is My Favorite Murder. And I was like, oh, I'm going to be on it.
So I want to do what is legitimately right now my very favorite murder. So

Speaker 1 without further ado, this is the murder of Dee Dee Blanchard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So good.

Speaker 1 Oh man, it gets so good. Okay, so on June 14th, 2015, in Springfield, Missouri, 48-year-old Dee Dee was found dead in her home, covered in stab wounds.
Why? How? Who would do such a thing?

Speaker 1 I will let you know very shortly.

Speaker 1 Okay, so here's the deal. Didi Blanchard,

Speaker 1 she was described as a quote-unquote large, affable-looking person, which she reinforced by dressing in bright, cheerful colors.

Speaker 1 She had, this is a real fun detail. She had to think, sorry, but to speak about, I think my greatest fear is to find out how people describe me.

Speaker 1 I never ever want to know. I don't care.

Speaker 1 But God forbid, God for fucking bid. large, affable, bright, cheery colors.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I would if I heard that about myself, I'd be like, oh, please just murder me because I don't want to know that detail.

Speaker 1 I once, someone once told me in junior high, like, what some who's like, they said I had mousy brown hair. Oh, and it changed my fucking hair.
Right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hence the fucking Bob.
You can't have mousy hair.

Speaker 1 I don't understand that. That's a descriptor.
What does that even mean? Well, the bitch who told me that someone said that

Speaker 1 clearly was a fucking cunt.

Speaker 1 Is what that means. That's what it means.
That's what it means. Here's another horrifying detail.
She had curly brown hair. She liked to hold back with ribbons.
Oh,

Speaker 1 like a chair squad. Yeah, like she's at the Ren Fair.

Speaker 1 She's like every day. Woven throughout her braid crown.

Speaker 1 Eating a turkey leg.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 so Dee Dee could make friends quickly and inspire deep devotion in people. She did not have a job, but instead served as a full-time caretaker for her daughter, Gypsy Rose, who was her

Speaker 1 disabled teenage daughter. So she didn't have a job.
She was just a caretaker for Gypsy Rose. Busy.
That's what she said.

Speaker 1 I would just like to say that when I was little, my grandmother, who apparently was a flapper,

Speaker 1 used to, if we, I was kind of a nudist when I I was young, so I'd like get out of the bathtub and I would just run around the house.

Speaker 1 I thought it was really funny, and it would like everyone would yell and chase me. And it was a good way to get attention.

Speaker 1 And my grandma, anytime I did something like that, my grandmother would go, Look at you, it's Gypsy Rose Lee, because she was a famous stripper. Yes,

Speaker 1 she was a 1920s vaudeville star turned stripper, and she was also the inspiration for the Broadway show Gypsy.

Speaker 1 Fun fact:

Speaker 1 Dee Dee didn't even know that.

Speaker 1 She just liked the name Gypsy Rose. No.

Speaker 1 She didn't even know that. She's like, oh, my stripper daughter.
No, she didn't even know. She didn't even know.
She just was like, those words go together well.

Speaker 1 So that's like naming your daughter like... Tawny on the pole.
I mean, like, that's it. That's a stripper.
I think On the Pole is a really beautiful

Speaker 1 name. On the Pole.
On the Pole.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's Dee D De Blanchard, our murder victim.

Speaker 1 Her daughter, Gypsy Rose, let me tell you a little bit about her. She was small, frail, and pale for a 19-year-old.

Speaker 1 She wore big glasses, was

Speaker 1 confined to a wheelchair, had a feeding tube, no hair, was missing several teeth, and spoke with a childlike voice. Okay, I know.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 So if you asked Dee Dee what was wrong with her daughter, she would list off lots of ailments.

Speaker 1 Chromosomal, chromosomal, that is a word. Chromosomal defects.
Muscular.

Speaker 1 Muscular.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that means, but okay.

Speaker 1 Chromosomal defects, muscular dystrophy, epilepsy, eye problems, and also Gypsy had leukemia as a toddler.

Speaker 1 Okay. So

Speaker 1 Dee Dee.

Speaker 1 Dee Dee said that Gypsy had, quote unquote, the mind of a seven-year-old, and that's why she was homeschooled for her whole life, because she would not thrive in a normal public school setting.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's all of us. Am I wrong? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know. I'm like, who's well-adjusted?

Speaker 1 Who thrives? Public school.

Speaker 1 No one.

Speaker 1 So they were in Springfield, Missouri, and like everyone else around them in the neighborhood, Dee Dee and Gypsy's house had been built by Habitat for Humanity.

Speaker 1 It had amenities for Gypsy, such as a ramp up to the door, a jacuzzi tub to help with Gypsy's muscles.

Speaker 1 And this is a weird detail. Since Gypsy was too sick to ever go out, Dee Dee would project movies on the side of the house for other people in the neighborhood to come and see.

Speaker 1 And then she would charge a small fee

Speaker 1 because she was like, it's cheaper than a multiplex.

Speaker 1 And then those, that, that, the proceeds would go to Gypsy's treatments. She charged a small fee for the movie, but the popcorn was still $14.

Speaker 1 She's like, it's still $5 Dasani. I hope that's okay.

Speaker 1 It's very worth it. It's very delicious.
Can I pay for that jacuzzi? Because that sounds fucking nice. I know.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 okay, so Dee Dee had told one of the neighbors, a woman named Amy. Amy, I don't sorry guys.
I'm like, can't speak. Okay.

Speaker 1 A woman named Amy Pinneger that she and Gypsy moved from Louisiana to Springfield, Missouri, because back in Louisiana, Gypsy's grandfather would put cigarettes out on her, and that Gypsy's dad was no longer in the picture because he was an alcoholic disaster.

Speaker 1 So all of the neighbors felt terrible for them, totally sympathized, empathized, loved them, and thought they were like the sweetest people they had ever met and wanted to do anything they could to help the family.

Speaker 1 Which is why

Speaker 1 on June 14th, 2015, it was such a shock when a post went up under Dee Dee and Gypsy's shared Facebook account. What? What? What do we do?

Speaker 1 What do we do? We're sharing Facebook?

Speaker 1 Fuck no. Disgusting.
Get your own.

Speaker 1 Red flags of

Speaker 1 new problems. Yeah.
Serious ones.

Speaker 1 Okay, so a post went up on the Facebook that was very alarming. It said, the bitch is dead in all caps.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, so then friends. Bitch, bitch.
Okay. Friends began to comment, obviously.
They were like, we've never heard you talk like that, Gypsy. I guess they just assumed it's Gypsy.

Speaker 1 They're like, we've never heard you talk like that. Oh my god, you must have been hacked.
Maybe we should call the police. As comments flooded the page, another post went up.

Speaker 1 Okay, it said, and I quote, I fucking slashed that fat pig and raped her sweet, innocent daughter. Her scream was so fucking loud.
LOL.

Speaker 1 Anyways, so the police got a search warrant and they went in the house and they found Dee Dee Blanchard face down on her bed, covered in stab wounds, and concluded that she'd been dead dead for several days.

Speaker 1 And Gypsy was missing, okay? And all of the neighbors thought Gypsy was likely dead too, because without the care of her mother, how could she even function?

Speaker 1 Like, she's so dependent on her mother's care. There's no way that she could survive on her own.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 But then, remember our friend Amy Pinnegar, the

Speaker 1 neighbor? Well, her daughter Aaliyah had some info.

Speaker 1 She was like a big sister to Gypsy, but unfortunately, they were rarely alone together as Gypsy's mother was always by her side and very overprotective.

Speaker 1 So when Gypsy wanted to have real talk and confide in Aaliyah, it was through a secret Facebook account under the name Emma Rose.

Speaker 1 And Aaliyah told the cops that Gypsy had met a guy named Nicholas Godajohn on a Christian singles site.

Speaker 1 Quality men.

Speaker 1 I'm kidding. You probably are.

Speaker 1 There's so many things I want to talk about. Oh, I know.
This case is so loaded. This is an insanely problematic episode.
Just every direction. It's problematic.

Speaker 1 Okay, so she met Nicholas Godejohn on a crystal single crystal. I'm sorry, guys.
On a crystal site. I had like half a Red Bull vodka, and I'm like, woo!

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 on a Christian single site. She had been communicating with him for two years and was totally in love with him.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the police put a trace on those Facebook posts and the IP address linked to to Nicholas Go to John's house in Wisconsin. The police went there and it was a quick surrender.

Speaker 1 Nicholas came out of the house and Gypsy walked out after him. Not wheeled out, but walked out.
It's a miracle.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? What so many fucks? Christmas miracle. It's a Christian dating sat miracle.
Miracle.

Speaker 1 It's plenty of fish.

Speaker 1 But those fish don't have feet because evolution ain't real.

Speaker 1 It's real.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. So it turned out, guys, that, in fact, Gypsy hadn't used a wheelchair from the moment she left her house a few days earlier.
She didn't need a fucking wheelchair. She could walk just fine.

Speaker 1 There was nothing wrong with her muscles and she had no medication or oxygen tank. She's fine.
Her head had simply been shaved all of her life to make her appear ill.

Speaker 1 It was all a fraud, she told the police. All of it.
Every last bit, her mother had made her do it. Didi Blanchard had Munchausen by proxy.
Oh, everyone's favorite thing. A classic, classic designer.

Speaker 1 Just how Munchausen

Speaker 1 I wrote here: Munchhausen by Proxy is the cheaper clothing line by designer Proxy.

Speaker 1 Proxy is at Barney's. Munchausen is at Cole's.

Speaker 1 Jamie's cracking up at her own hilarious joke.

Speaker 1 This is why she was like, Can we have Jamie Lee? And I was like, Fuck yeah, we got Jamie Lee as a guest.

Speaker 1 She put on the shirt, and you're like, I don't know, I feel kind of sick.

Speaker 1 The shirt is poisoning you. I know I don't want to hurt my baby when I wear this.
This shirt is making me feel crazy.

Speaker 1 Does everyone know what Munch Housing by Proxy is? Oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 for anyone who is listening, just a quick sentence. MBP is a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes illness in a person under his or her care.

Speaker 1 And it is a form of child abuse child. Oh, God, I'm so sorry.
Child abuse or elder abuse.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the couple posted to Facebook because Gypsy felt guilty and she wanted the police to find her mother's body sooner.

Speaker 1 Gypsy was in the closet while Nicholas was stabbing her. And Gypsy also reportedly tried to clean up some of the blood with baby wipes after the killing.

Speaker 1 The cleanuping of the blood is what I was going to say. Yes.
It's such a weird, like you're going to kill someone. Why would you, like cleaning it up is such a personal thing, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that means you're... you're caretaking.
Yes. And also with baby wipes.
That's just

Speaker 1 so inefficient. And also it's stupid.
I mean, it's a stupid. A stupid idiot.
Stupid idiot. I mean, come on.
We all know Bronny is the quicker parent.

Speaker 1 She leaves. She'll be at the stress factory in October.

Speaker 1 I don't know why that makes me laugh. Okay.

Speaker 1 Right. So,

Speaker 1 okay. So, sentencing.

Speaker 1 Nick Goda-John is still awaiting a trial, but Gypsy pled guilty to second-degree murder as Nick is the one who did the stabbing. Did he admit to that?

Speaker 1 Do we know if he's admitted? Yeah, he did. No, he did.
He admitted to it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she is eligible for parole in seven years. and here she

Speaker 1 rolls out then stands up oh my god

Speaker 1 my favorite munch house oh my god oh my god

Speaker 1 she's like Gene Wilder and Willy Wonka she just like does a flip she's like just fucking with you

Speaker 1 sing I have a chocolate fountain

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 okay so just to clue you guys in,

Speaker 1 Gypsy had been texting with Nicholas for years. They had been communicating through this secret account.
And the crazy thing is, Nick had no history of violence.

Speaker 1 The only thing he did have on his record was he was caught masturbating in McDonald's in 2013. We all do that.
That's no big deal. I get it.
Those fries make me horny, too. That's never been caught.

Speaker 1 That's the only difference. Sorry, you know what? When the McRib comes back.
Oh, wait, go ahead. Go ahead.
It's a reason to celebrate the McRib.

Speaker 1 Actually, I just want to say, I don't know if he was masturbating, but he he was definitely watching porn at McDonald's. Sorry, what's this? What's very different?

Speaker 1 That was worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're denying sitting off.
You're just like, this is my chosen entertainment.

Speaker 1 It's like, finish the job, Nick.

Speaker 1 Anyways,

Speaker 1 so how did Dee Dee scam everybody for so long? It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 People are stupid. Yeah.
I mean, seriously, Dee Dee did work for a little bit as a nurse's aide, so she had a knack for remembering medical terminology and spitting it back.

Speaker 1 Not only did she fool doctors, though, she also fooled charities. They got free flights from a volunteer, volunteer, fuck, violent.
What's happening to my mouth and my brain? That's normal.

Speaker 1 A volunteer

Speaker 1 pilots organization. They also stayed at a lodge for cancer patients.
And I don't know what that is. Ronald McDonald.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's like a lodge.

Speaker 1 And then also got free trips to Disney World.

Speaker 1 Here's where it gets fucking real dark, guys.

Speaker 1 The abuse that

Speaker 1 Gypsy incurred over her life, here are some of the things her mother made her do.

Speaker 1 Her mother had her salivary glands injected with Botox, then removed them because her mother complained that she drooled too much. She also had her eyes operated on because of quote-unquote weakness.

Speaker 1 She had a feeding tube implanted. And the reason that she was missing teeth was because her mother made her take seizure medication and it made her teeth ball.
That she didn't need. She didn't need.

Speaker 1 She didn't need anything. She's perfectly healthy.

Speaker 1 So there were two instances. Well, there was probably more than two instances, but there were two that I researched of doctors being like, what's going on here?

Speaker 1 But then nothing came to fruition, which is very sad. In 2007, a pediatric neurologist named Dr.
Flasterstein asked Gypsy to stand up and she did with no problem.

Speaker 1 And then he told Dee Dee like, oh, she should be walking. But then he didn't report it as abuse.
But he was suspicious.

Speaker 1 And now he's apparently like very mad at himself for never reporting it because he was kind of on. Damn you, flaster scene, he says every night.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He can't look himself in the

Speaker 1 flustered, flaster. Okay, stop talking, Jamie, but keep talking.
Finish the talk. Sorry, Jamie.
Okay.

Speaker 1 In 2009, someone made an anonymous call to the Springfield Police Department to do a quote-unquote wellness check on Gypsy, where the police said, oh, so the police went to the house and they spoke to Dee Dee and they're like, why are there so many different names and addresses for you and Gypsy?

Speaker 1 Because they, uh, Dee Dee would frequently change her first name, her last name.

Speaker 1 I think it was like, I read something where it was like, somebody should be like, Claudine, and then she'd be like, Dee, and then she was Dee Dee.

Speaker 1 Like, she was always kind of making these small tweaks to her first and last name. I feel like that call was coming from inside the house.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Dee Dee said that the reason she did that was because she was trying to avoid an abusive ex-husband. More on that in just a minute.

Speaker 1 Dee D De changed her. Oh, I already said that.
Okay, cool. So this is what else is, this is fucking crazy.
So when Gypsy went to prison, she told the police she was only 19, but she was actually 23.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
So she didn't know her own age because of her mother's disgusting brainwashing. Okay.
Also, Gypsy's father, his name's Rod.

Speaker 1 Rod was not a psycho alcoholic deadbeat. He always sent $1,200 a month in child support for Gypsy and visited on occasion.

Speaker 1 He had his own family and he still was like in touch with them and trying to help them. I didn't write this down, so I just want to say for corrections corner, there might be some corrections.

Speaker 1 But so Rod

Speaker 1 impregnated Dee Dee when he was only, I believe, 17 years old and she was like 24.

Speaker 1 So he was just like, I like don't love you. I'm sorry.
And I'm sorry I got you pregnant. And like, it was just kind of this mistake.
And then they ended up breaking up.

Speaker 1 And then she ended up having the baby. And like he moved on and had his own family, but he still was like paying for her.
Like, he wasn't not assuming responsibility.

Speaker 1 I don't fully know the ins and outs of Rod and the relationship with the family, but I do know that financially he was paying what he needed to pay. Wow.
Cool.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 this is where it gets, this is actually how it kind of becomes,

Speaker 1 there's a sort of a nice ending to this story.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 relatively speaking,

Speaker 1 don't cream your pants. Hold on.

Speaker 1 So Gypsy, I know, I've never said that out loud, and I just did now.

Speaker 1 It's first time for everything.

Speaker 1 So Gypsy in prison is actually, she claims that she is feeling freer than she ever did under her mother's care.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, you're not fucking in a woman. Yeah, for fake guy.
Yeah, your mom's not standing behind you all the time. Right.

Speaker 1 So Michelle Dean is a journalist, and she wrote this really amazing article about this story for BuzzFeed. And she went to visit Gypsy in prison and said that she speaks beautifully.

Speaker 1 She is very eloquent. She is not, quote unquote, slow in the least.
And this was a quote from,

Speaker 1 well, I guess Gypsy told this to Michelle. Michelle said, she wants people to know that this wasn't a situation where a girl killed her mom to be with her boyfriend.

Speaker 1 This was a situation of a girl trying to escape abuse. In prison, she's hoping to join all sorts of programs and to help people.
She wants to write a book to help others in her situation.

Speaker 1 She's called orange is the new black.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then this is the last quote from Gypsy. I think she, referring to Dee Dee, her mom, I think she would have been the perfect mom for someone that was actually sick, but I'm not sick.

Speaker 1 There's that big difference.

Speaker 1 Believe it.

Speaker 1 Can I just tell you one last thing? Please do. So I just started looking.

Speaker 1 I tried to find like YouTube clips of different neighbors and stuff being like outraged.

Speaker 1 And one woman had like one of those like Nancy Grace level like thick accents where she's like oh my god you know

Speaker 1 she literally because all the neighbors were so blindsided they were like what what's happening she's not sick I thought this girl was sick and then one of the girls goes her name is not Blanchard it's Blanchard she added the E

Speaker 1 She just wants her movie night money back, I feel like. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 That's a woman who paid too much for the neighborhood movie.

Speaker 1 That's hilarious. That was great, Jamie.
Awesome.

Speaker 1 She nailed that shit. One more time for Jamie Lee, everybody.

Speaker 1 We love you. I love you.
You guys, you know what we're going to say now: stay sexy. Don't get murdered.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back. And of course, you know this story well at this point.
We all do, yeah.

Speaker 1 So here, we'll give updates together. Gypsy Rose served eight years in prison.
She was released in December of 2023.

Speaker 1 And then she went on a media tour sharing her experience with the world. There's been backlash for her social media presence.

Speaker 1 It's a whole conversation that, of course, everybody on every side of the true crime audience has an opinion about.

Speaker 1 Gypsy ended up deleting her social media accounts at the recommendation of her parole officer, which I think is good for everyone.

Speaker 1 If you could please listen to your parole officer and just get off the internet.

Speaker 1 If you're going to learn to anyone, don't let it be the internet. Let it be your parole officer, unless your parole officer is an influencer.
Oh, God. Could you imagine? No, my God.

Speaker 1 I think we're all rooting for her to live a nice, happy life, right? That's kind of the consensus. And she is living a much quieter life.

Speaker 1 And on December 28th, 2024, which is the anniversary of her prison release, Gypsy welcomed her daughter Aurora, her first child, with her boyfriend, Ken Urker. So congratulations to her.
Nice.

Speaker 1 Also, the writer who wrote the BuzzFeed article about Gypsy Rose is a woman named Michelle Dean.

Speaker 1 And since that reporting, she became the co-creator, producer, and the writer of the first season of Who Lose the Act,

Speaker 1 which is the Patricia Arquette as Dee Dee Blanchard, Joey King as Gypsy Limited series. So that's very cool.
So awesome. We love to hear that.
That show was so good.

Speaker 1 Patricia Arquette, are you fucking kidding me? Like the greatest legend. Congratulations.
Or great job, Michelle. Yeah, great job.
You killed it. And then let's see this episode.

Speaker 1 Oh, so now we can talk about what we would name it if we could even think of a better name than Live at the Bellhouse. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, it just says everything you need to know. But if we were naming it today based on something from the episode, perhaps we'd call it.

Speaker 1 I think this is something that you have always loved, Wireless Janet Jackson Mics. Obsessed.
It's your dream. My favorite thing.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of people have vision boards and they have like houses and, you know, France. Not me.
I just have Janet Jackson from the control tour. That's someday.

Speaker 1 What if it's just all 90s electronics? And like, there's a fucking, there's a disc man and there's a fucking headphone. And what else is there? A mood ring for some reason.
Yep.

Speaker 1 There's a really short black jean jacket. We're doing this.

Speaker 1 Oh, also, I say at the end, which is so perfect, it's like talking about that, the dawning awareness of what we're doing and how we're doing it.

Speaker 1 Is I actually say at the end of the show, this show is so problematic, which is really funny.

Speaker 1 You know, I think it's because we were slowly doing it in front of people and realizing that the reactions were so different than. not having any in your or Steven in the apartment, you know? Yes.

Speaker 1 We're like, that there is, yeah, there's actually like, this sounds like something. You know, I talk about with my sister all the time.

Speaker 1 It's like the way way we grew up especially me the youngest in a 70s family where latchy kids and no one was paying attention I just never thought I was being heard ever I never thought I was being listened to what I said didn't matter what I did didn't matter we could say whatever you wanted you can say and who's who's gonna pay attention and then you get into who's paying attention they're like

Speaker 1 right whatever where you're like oh that's not what we're trying to do

Speaker 1 that's why I just started stand-up comedy is so fucking you could be under a spotlight and people would listen to you finally finally it worked. You did it.
And we did it. We did it.
Yay. Thank you.

Speaker 1 We did it. You did it too.
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Yes, we do. And stay sexy.
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