Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 64: Live At Revolution Hall

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Hello.

And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

That's right, it's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights.

Today we're looking back on episode 64, which we named, I won't believe this, live at Revolution Hall.

Yep, it's our Portland live show, and this episode came out April 13th, 2017.

So let's get into the intro of episode 64.

We know.

That's the first time that happened.

I actually did.

I didn't hear what you said.

I said they're doing it out of obligation because one person did it.

That's the first time that ever happened.

It is the first time that's ever happened.

It's Portland.

What's up, Portland?

That is so Portland of you, Portland, I swear to God.

Wow.

Hi, Portland.

I like you.

Thank you.

I actually am a little bit sad because this is the last night of our running here.

I wish it could be like 14 more nights.

It really has been very, very fun and exciting.

Thank you very much for being here.

And thank you for

getting tickets and waiting for tickets and dealing with scalpers and letting us know that you didn't get enough tickets and they're mad about tickets and it's our fault that your lives are ending because of the tickets.

And you've been listening from the beginning and how, you know, and that so you should get first run a ticket.

Yes.

You are the biggest fans and you deserve the most tickets.

So we're thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you kindly

for being here.

First are admonishing the assholes.

That's how I start every show is just telling you guys what dicks are.

Well, listen,

there's plenty of clappers, but the assholes need to be

given their props as well.

I love that you.

Good start.

Good start.

Let's start over.

Stephen, can we go again?

Here we go.

I'll roll it back.

He's a rollerback.

I still don't know where he is.

I still don't know.

You don't see anything anyway.

I know.

I actually am legally blind.

Right here, look at.

Spence came back stage and said, update from the audience.

Stephen has a line of people waiting to be in the morning.

Stephen, that's the quickest way to get fired is get more popular than the host.

And Mommy Ray Morris is here too.

Mommy Ray Morris!

Yeah.

Stephen invited his mother, who probably has never heard this podcast, has no interest in murder, doesn't think what we're doing is right.

Probably.

You know, Stephen's not her favorite anyway.

It's true.

Well, now Stephen's a successful one, even though his sister's a doctor, I think.

Sure.

Now, who's successful?

Well, you better tell her the podcast are the wave of the future.

So

doctoring is out.

Yeah, yeah.

Nobody needs a doctor anymore.

I'm sorry, I've been drinking this fucking insane crack caffeine.

What is it?

It's Yerba Mate.

Have you guys heard of it?

Have you guys heard of it?

Oh, Portland, have you heard of Yerba Mate?

And do you know gluten is bad for you?

Oh, I can see everything and everyone, and I can see our auras.

Oh!

Shit, girl.

Do you have any animal familiars on the stage right now?

I don't know what that is.

You know, they're

animals you hallucinate that talk to you and tell you how to live.

Oh, that's one of my cats then, or that.

Oh.

Because that's all my life is.

I know.

That's his name.

That's right.

I have actually a very similar thing right now, which is that

Georgia likes to bring me, which is one of the best things

about

touring with Georgia's, she brings me a coffee.

It's just super exciting.

So she, last night and tonight, has brought me a mocha from Stumptown.

And last night when she gave it to me, I was like, awesome, thanks.

Drank the whole thing super fast.

And when I went to walk out for the first show, I was like,

I was fucking blazing.

And then you're like, is this from Stumptown?

Or are you dosing me

just to change it up on tour a little bit?

A little bit of that adderal.

Then we're good.

Oh, we forgot to mention that this is all accidental, our necklines.

Yes.

I'm sure you guys were wondering.

They're definitely sitting out there going, two scallop necklines?

Yeah.

Why?

Yeah.

Who would do that?

I mean, I thought they, I guess, like, I had it in my mind that they weren't matching, but I guess.

They're super matchy matchy.

Yeah, it's on purpose, but we're going with it.

We didn't, Karen was like, cut yours off.

And I'm like, I'm not cutting it off.

Yeah, I demanded that she cut up her dress.

I was like, I'm the primary.

You have to adjust yours.

But and then we, but I did make her part her hair the other way so we didn't look exactly the same yeah although I am going to cut it short and then we're just gonna come out holding hands like the shining twins

you're like get ready for the wall of blood

verbal the verbal wall of blood that's Karen and I'm Georgia oh that's right and this is my favorite

thank you

We

we want to tell you guys the story from last night because it's pretty hilarious.

But we're telling it to you as adults, promising that you won't get any ideas from it.

Yeah, I was like, do we tell them or are they just going to be like, I'm going to tell you?

I'm like, we got to tell them.

We got to tell them.

Yeah.

So

last night, during the hometown murder portion of the show at the end, we had this girl come up and told the fucking most amazing story.

It was like everything I've ever wanted in a story of finding dead bodies and the dead body is a bad guy and it was this and it was that.

It was her cousin.

It was like second, like one Kevin Bacon away from that kind of death, a dead body in a creek.

It's what more do you know?

They didn't know.

And they were like, what is that?

A jacket?

It's not a jacket.

It is a jacket, but there's an entire, you know?

There's an arm and the jacket.

So think about that before you offer to be the hometown tonight.

It's like,

you got to beat that.

Very high, very high stakes.

So as she's telling the story, I was asking questions like, well, did he tell you what it felt like to pick up a dead arm and stuff?

I was, you know, going

to Barbara Walters deep with it, trying to make her cry.

And

as we're talking, she was like, I don't know.

And I was standing here.

And it was kind of like this.

So we were talking to her, and she was like, I don't really know, whatever.

And then I look, and there's.

And she's both of their faces, and Karen's especially, and it's horrified behind my shoulder.

And what's happening?

And it's like the biggest nightmare.

What's happening is this.

And I turned.

There's a girl in an army jacket, no judgments.

And she's sneaking cartoon style

down the aisle.

She fucking army rolled onto the steel.

Onto the stage.

And then, like,

and she's standing here.

So I, i of course have to kick into fucking third grade teacher mode and i was like that is not cool that is not cool

and i just stood here

kind of went like this and that was really cool you thank you and turns out it was this girl's sister she just had the exact information i was asking for she came to provide like a sister took a beat

And so all she wanted to do was be like, I know what the arm felt like.

She said she did such a sister move.

This girl took a beat while Karen was yelling at her and then she goes, oh, that's my sister.

Like she took a minute to get it.

We were both like, what the fuck?

Well, I was like immediately picturing like a fucking bowie knife.

She's just going to roll up and then be like, I'm mad about stuff.

Yeah.

I didn't get, I didn't get tickets the first time around.

And I got overserved at the bar.

Then she came up and did such a fucking sister thing.

I couldn't believe it.

She goes, you're forgetting this important part, which is such a sister thing to say.

It was super perfect.

What I realized, though, is because I was, of course, super embarrassed that I had to, like, that I got super bossy with her, but I re in my mind, looking back on it,

nobody sneaks like this

unless they're like on fucking meth or something, right?

It's like, I'm just gonna come up here for a second and interrupt the show.

No, I will fucking kill you.

Those are not good intentions.

And now we know that Vince is fucking useless in an emergency.

Even though I specifically told him, you need to fucking protect me.

He was backstage smoking.

Yeah.

He doesn't smoke.

He doesn't smoke.

Also, Steven never moved from his spot.

He was just recording the show.

You couldn't take your finger off the play button.

Audio above all.

Yeah.

So

that was an exciting portion of the night.

It was a real roller coaster, actually.

Oh, God, that was scary.

Worst nightmare.

It was fine.

What else have we done?

Oh, also, do you want to just take a quick shoe walk?

Because they're so good.

Just tell the people, work it, own it.

That's why you're wearing them.

I can walk in them.

This is like the two times a year I wear heels.

Yeah.

And it's an hour long.

I wore these at my wedding last year.

Last time I wore them.

You fucking changed.

You've just like given up.

I can't do it.

I can't do it anymore.

I didn't mean it like that.

I didn't mean it like that.

You can't do it anymore.

She had heels on last night.

Tonight is clogged now.

I wore heels, and even those ones were like the kind you can play basketball in or whatever.

They weren't like any crazy crazy heels.

Heels like a heels.

But when I went to put them on tonight, I was like, but fuck that shit.

And I grabbed the old.

Yeah.

Do your mouth rank.

Carrot.

Carrot.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, follow spot.

Here we go.

That's the magic of theater.

We're trying to get her to come have her shell, but, you know.

This is where I come alive.

I do.

You can't tell right now, but I did say fuck it to my Spanx.

Just

no, I just won't.

Now do it.

Now do it, Spanks.

Now you can kind of.

Yes.

Look at that woman.

She's free.

Fuck it.

Fuck it.

She's free.

Fuck it.

Fuck it all.

Wait, I think we have a couple more anecdotes for you.

I know, know, right?

I can't remember anything.

Well, here's mine.

When I was leaving my hotel tonight, the most lovely man that worked at the front desk named Tyler.

This is what it was like.

You walk by and I'm going to be Tyler.

And you're walking the lady.

This is how Karen walks whenever she goes, awhile.

That's not true.

Okay, you have to make eye contact with me.

Okay.

Oh, but I.

Yes.

And I was like, hello, Murderino.

I know you.

You can tell immediately that, like, what it's going to, it's not like, excuse me, ma'am.

No.

Do you need more towels?

It's.

It's, you've been whispering in my ear for the past six months.

I need to talk to you right now.

You have to touch me.

We stood there.

I've never seen this person before, met them before.

We stood across the hotel front desk holding arms.

Like, like, I was going to pull him up onto the lifeboat style full-on arm clasp.

Like, yes, Tyler, yes, i'm here with you yeah this is really happening the best is when you then get a my so-and-so got murdered and you're then like great this has turned into the best fucking interaction i've ever had yes exactly tell me everything now we're having a level 17 conversation that like normally people that are only friends for five years have or shit faced yes or

um

Vince and I were walking yesterday down we were walking down the street

and

this couple walks by us and then I hear her go, I hear, I see her look look at her, her boyfriend in a way that was like, okay.

And then she goes, as she passes, she says, that's my favorite murder.

Like, she doesn't know which one I am.

And I turn around and wave at her because she was really sweet, but she just didn't know which one I was.

When she told me that, I was like, what if her favorite murder was happening behind you?

She's like, oh my God, I love it when an old lady kills a homeless person.

And I'm like, thank you.

It's my favorite moment.

Thank you for listening.

And she's like, who the fuck are you?

That happened to me recently at a store.

I can't tell that one is good.

She goes, I go to buy a thing.

And then she goes, oh, I know you from somewhere.

And I said,

oh, do you watch the cooking channel?

Because I was like, well, she doesn't know my face unless she's fucking.

Right, right, right.

And she was like, oh, no, you look like someone who was in earlier.

And then I died.

She was fucking with you.

And then I totally made fun of myself.

Oh, I thought you were my good friend.

What?

You know, that sucks.

It's not you.

You guys missed out last night, and I'm sorry I brought a tissue on stage for my allergies because I fucking wiped my nose on this exact tablecloth yesterday.

It's like that.

We're that comfortable here with you, Portland.

Georgia was, we're just sitting there, and she's like, oh, fuck it.

Blows her nose on the tablecloth.

Thanks for the attention hall.

We're so proud to be here with you.

Have us back.

I just like can feel into my heart like a sixth sense how mortified my mom is and it gives me life.

Like my mom can't handle me not standing up straight.

She would be so mortified and I fucking love it.

That's like I live to embarrass my mom.

If you blew your nose on a tablecloth if she knew that I did that, not even like at a restaurant real quick, but like in front of a bunch of people, oh, she would die.

It's great.

For real.

Good.

If my mom saw this tights, boot, clog combination, she'd just be like, I don't know what you're doing or why you're still rebelling but you need to figure it out

you have lipstick on though so i have lipstick on so i don't look like a corpse which is what she normally would accuse me of oh honey put some lipstick on you look like a corpse

and then i'd scream at her i'm never having babies and then she would just turn into dust and die

That's really that it really is like the bugging the gauntlet to throw down in any fight with your mom.

I will not reproduce.

Oh,

I said it and it felt so, I said it to her on the phone.

She called my sister, tell Georgia,

how wonderful the gift it is.

And I'm like, you weren't even around.

What are you fucking doing?

Cuts you sitting on the toilet with an EPT test.

Oh, shit.

God damn it,

never tell my mom that I'm pregnant and have a baby.

And you just never tell her.

You just pretend that you've gained very specific weight

and then lost it specifically.

Speaking of, it turns, we got to stop.

I need to stop thinking that when I'm away from home at any time on tour, I can eat whatever the fuck I want because we're touring a lot and I need to stop fucking doing that.

Like, I basically had foie gras for breakfast today.

Oh, yeah.

That's fancy, fancy.

I know.

Yeah, spend that tour money, baby.

Fuck yeah, dude.

That's why we're holding off all the tickets so that Georgia can eat foie gras for breakfast.

Sorry.

Well, that does sound a little shitty, doesn't it?

Tweet us about it.

I know some people can't can't afford foie gras

i'm sorry i'm looking you know bougie i don't eat it at home

so i have at home also it seems like what's going on with portland where now you guys are just all about donuts all the time are you just like

it's no it's no

two nights in a row we had donuts back oh the first last night man we had donuts that look like us yeah voodoo voodoo donuts of all places it wasn't even like bob's donuts down the street like make donuts It's like voodoo donuts.

They know who we are.

That blew my mind.

Well, they could have googled it.

Or it was like the one girl who works there who's just like just started.

And she's like, I love podcasts.

And they're like, whatever, who fucking cared about it?

Whatever.

It's your shift.

If you can lean, you can clean, or make donuts of your favorite podcasters.

We don't give a shit.

Man, Patricia just makes the fucking most obscure shit.

I don't know what the fuck she's.

She's getting fired.

Did you see Patricia's Weight, Weight, Don't Tell Me Donut?

It was insane.

You got

just a red square.

It's just Paula Poundstone's face.

Just a big, long tied

blazer.

Stephen had one too.

It was fucking great.

What did you just say to Stephen?

Stephen had one too, and it was fucking great.

I realized I didn't.

Yeah, they made one of Stephen, which is so fucking

hilarious.

Yeah.

Absolutely clap for Steven's donuts.

Wow.

I ate my own head.

It was jelly-filled, which is pretty right on.

It's pretty inaccurate.

I think it's pretty accurate.

Should we sit down?

Yeah, let's go.

All right.

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah.

No clap for it, for sure.

I'm going to.

There she is.

You got fucking allergies, man.

Don't.

In Portland, you guys have all the allergies.

I can't open this.

Okay.

So, what we do on this podcast is we.

Have you guys?

I don't know if you guys listen, but what we,

you know, we look up murders and then we read them to you.

Most of them got tickets, like the guy scalping, like, buy one, get one free.

There's a show.

Hey, there's a great show tonight.

You guys want to come in?

Okay.

I don't have anything else to do.

So we should explain it.

Okay, we're back from the intro.

I mean, if you do the math,

am I wrong to believe that this is our first live show in Portland?

Because it's April 2017.

Our first live show ever was December 2016.

I mean, I don't know the math.

Or November 2016.

So it would be, it kind of makes sense.

Oh, like we posted a back catalog of the live show?

No, no, no.

This is the first time we ever played live in Portland.

It was three shows.

And that's why we're talking about it so much because the last episode, which is the last rewind, we just got home from three insane shows in Portland.

That's right, that's right.

It's crazy.

And so now this is the insanity.

Yeah.

And we're on tour while you're listening to this.

So

that's all you're going to hear about for the rest of your fucking life.

Tour this and tour that.

And then we're going to do a spin-off show of this show about touring.

We're always going to wear the same dress.

What if we wore the same dress this tour?

Just one dress, same.

Yeah.

No matter how dirty or tattered it gets or wrinkly, whatever, you have to keep wearing it.

I mean, do you remember that moment where we looked at each other backstage and were like, scallop neck?

How did this happen?

I don't know.

It blew my mind because it was a little black dress, but the scallop neckline, I have never seen that before.

Yeah.

We both thought we were.

We were both shopping and we're like, yes, here it is at the same time and like across town, basically.

Second 90210 prom

vibes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was that was crazy.

It's so funny.

What are your dresses like this time?

I texted Craig, your assistant, and said, if you know what Karen's wearing for the first city, will you let me know so I can coordinate?

Because I'm just like picturing.

I like to coordinate outfits, you know, like I thought, that'll go great with this.

It's just like fun for me.

And so I'm like, what if she's wearing this color and I'm totally clashing with these stripes?

I don't know.

I'm wearing black, baby.

All black.

That's it.

It's a black dress and it looks like a lot of the dresses you've seen before.

You do jewel tones lately, though.

You might throw in a fucking purple at it, guys.

Oh, those are coming up, but I'm starting off.

Look, this first show, I want us to just get our feet on the stage.

I want us to know, this has been a long time.

Like, we were so young and innocent back during this rewind episode where it's just like walking on stage, like, hey, what's up?

Are you guys going to rush the stage?

Anyway, let's party.

Like, I was 36 when this came out.

Oh, my God.

I wasn't even in perimenopause yet.

That's fucking insane.

Okay.

All right, maybe I'll wear black, too, for the first for Denver, although it's already happened when we're recording.

Did we wear black?

I don't know.

Did we?

Join the raffle.

What do you think?

Take the poll.

Everything's content.

Take the poll.

Join the raffle.

That's my version of an internet poll.

All right.

Should we get into it?

Let's do it.

All right.

Let's listen to Karen's story, Karen's First This Time, about Bobby Jack Fowler.

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Um, it's my, I'm first, right?

Yes, I ran

mom.

Um,

well, I'm going to do uh

this guy I didn't, I didn't really know that much about him and then it turned out he was kind of like a

there

he's like um

he's like he's like um he's like a secret star

he's a man named Bobby Jack Fowler

and

Let's just start it here.

I'm going to tell it like a story on the rainy night

Every time it scares the shit out of us when you guys do that.

I didn't even start, Steven.

If there's ever been a cue jump in the world, it was that.

They don't even have any idea of what this guy's deal is.

Well, they already know.

No, Taylor.

Keep it up.

Look at him.

Now she can't say he was a real nice normal guy because clearly he's a fucking fucking guy.

There's just no, it's like, oh, did he do it?

I'm not sure.

Well, he is wearing, he is wearing overalls with no shirt.

So

I think he might be guilty

oh no yeah he got caught mid something illegal I mean either that or it's just like a denim tank top either way either way he should go to jail oh honey um you know what that I and I'm sure you guys are very familiar with this but um I was up here probably you know it was probably a decade ago at this point and I saw a newspaper um faces of meth oh my favorite oh my god

Obsessed.

I got it.

Stephen, can you find that right now?

Can you put that up right now?

It was the best thing in the world as the Oregonian did this thing of like people's mug shots across the years.

So it starts out.

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And then five mug shots in, you look like you're 64.

And like number two or three, you're like, oh, honey, quit right now.

And you're still kind of cute.

You can like, moisturize.

You could come back.

You could come back and like stay out of the sun because we know you're sleeping in.

Just like you're fine.

And then at four, you're like, fuck.

And then it's like, this 30-year-old,

Bobby Jack liked meth.

Let's just say that, among other things.

This is, yeah.

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It's my birthday.

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Hi, birthday.

Sorry, but that's my birthday.

Anyways, tell me about a nude body.

I was 15.

Do you remember what your birthday party was like in 1995?

15.

15.

No.

No.

I think that was the last face of mess.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Makes sense.

So it wasn't great.

All right.

Five months later, on George's birthday, 1995,

a nude, bleeding 35-year-old woman with a rope tied around her ankle jumps out of a second-story window at the Tides Inn Motel and runs into the night screaming for help.

Fuck yes.

That's the beginning of my film right there.

She, police are called and she tells them that she had met a man at the anchor bar.

They had shared a couple drinks, they'd played the poker machine.

You know how you do.

And

then they decide that they're going to go on a trip to a nearby casino, but he says he wants to take a shower first and gets her to agree to come back to his motel room.

No, don't be that close to a naked stranger.

You know?

You mean right outside the bathroom door?

Still not good?

No.

But what if I tell you he showers in his overalls?

Does that change it?

Yeah, he's not naked.

Okay.

Once they're in the motel room alone, the man tells her he believes women like to be raped.

When she argued, yes, we know that's not right.

When she argued, the man attacked her, punching her repeatedly, ripping her clothes off, tied a rope around her ankle, saying he was going to put her in the ocean.

Oh, shit.

The victim, believing she was about to die, bit him and leapt out the window.

Go, girl.

Whatever it takes.

Whatever it takes.

That man who was arrested on the scene was Bobby Jack Fowler.

And this is where you're going to be Stephen.

Stephen.

And then everyone goes, yes, I see it.

Here's what I love.

I sent him this stuff, I don't know, seven minutes before I left to come to this theater.

We never talk about anything.

We never plan anything.

And he knows that about us.

We're fucking.

So it's basically our fault, but we'll never admit it.

It's always Stephen's fault.

All right.

Fowler was a transient construction worker who traveled extensively across North America.

He spent time rabbiting around from British Columbia.

Man, copying paste right there.

Very strange.

It makes it seem fun, and what he was doing is not fun.

From British Columbia, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Texas, Oregon, South Carolina, Arizona, Tennessee, and Washington State.

During his travels, he developed an extensive criminal record that included attempted murder, sexual assault, and firearms offenses.

Just developing a record, but seemingly able to leave after he develops that record for some reason.

He liked alcohol, amphetamines, methamphetamines.

He liked to travel far and wide and beat up cars and pick up hitchhikers.

That could sound like he beat up, he'd like beat up cars.

He doesn't mind.

Yeah, once you do enough meth, you can beat up a car.

And that is the pro side to meth.

No one ever talks about it.

That's one of the few bonuses.

Yes, you look very old, but you can beat up a car.

He spent lots of time in bars and motels.

He believed that women he came into contact with who were hitchhiking and hanging out in bars wanted to be sexually assaulted.

Listen, I hang out in fucking bars and I don't want that.

Yeah.

I feel like if we

had a quick poll, he would be proven wrong.

So

here's

talk about a couple of his arrests.

In 1969, Bobby Jack was charged.

Bobby Jack.

Bobby Jack was charged with murdering a man and a woman in Texas, but he was only convicted of discharging a firearm within city limits.

Act towards inside of a person.

Yeah, I guess.

How the fuck does that work?

It wasn't a problem

for some reason.

He also spent time in a Tennessee prison for sexual assault and attempted murder because, in the words of the investigator, he tied a woman up, beat the hell out of her with her own belt, covered her up with brush, and left her to die.

So,

during his 1995 trial for the sexual assault at the Tides Motel, he fought the kidnapping charge.

So, he had a real problem with the fact that he was being sexual assault, he was like, Yeah, whatever.

But kidnapping, he was very offended by because he claimed that that woman was in the motel room on her own accord and that she threw herself out the window voluntarily.

So, it shouldn't be his problem.

And so, because of that, he filed a $3 million lawsuit claiming violation of his civil liberties.

He lost.

He lost.

So, on January 8th, 1996, Fowler is convicted of kidnapping in the first degree, attempted rape in the first degree, sexual abuse in the first degree, coercion, assault in the fourth degree, and menacing.

He was sentenced to 16 years, three months, with the possibility of parole, but he died of lung cancer in prison in 2006.

But there's a but.

Here's where it starts getting good.

or bad worse

upsetting

murder

you know

So the police because of this arrest have Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA and they put it into the system They put it into the motherboard into the mainframe So in May of 2012 Inner poll informs the Canadian police that has received a positive hit from a DNA sample on a 16-year-old murder a 16-year-old murder murder victim named Colleen McMillan.

She had been murdered in 1974, and back then the Canadian Mounties had taken a piece of her blouse that they believed to have semen on it and they put it away and saved it.

And

so that when DNA testing came into

possibility,

they had that DNA makeup waiting to be tested and in the system.

So when fucking Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA comes through the system, Inner Pole finds that they are a match.

The motherboard lights up.

That's right.

The mainframe goes berserk.

Colleen McMillan in 1974 had gone out to meet friends.

The last thing she said to her little brother before she left the house was, Don't tell mom I'm hitchhiking.

Her body was found a month later off a logging road 30 miles from her home.

She'd been strangled to death.

That brother did not leave a good life after that, I bet.

No, I think that was probably pretty dark.

So the DNA belonged to American Roofer.

That's how he's described in this article.

Cut and paste.

American Roofer, Bobby Fowler.

That's the new history channel series.

American Roofers.

Where a fucking lunatic on meth walk goes around strangling everybody.

That's very weird, but you can describe him any way.

Yeah.

And they picked Roofer.

That hit was the oldest hit on a DNA sample in Interpol history.

So essentially, from the murder of Colleen McMillan in Canada in 1974 to the attempted rape, kidnapping, and sexual assault in Newport in 1995, there is a 21-year gap where Bobby Jack Fowler was driving around North America fucking shit up.

Wow.

So because they see that and they start connecting.

So he basically is a,

he is is a big suspect in a lot of the trail of Highway of Tears murders.

Oh.

So he's been, he's been, the Colleen's murder is considered one of the Highway of Tears murders, one of the earliest ones.

Wow.

But most of those murders are First Nation women, which is why no one ever hears about them because it's Native American or Nate, sorry, Native Canadian, which they call First Nation women up there, and they get no press, nobody talks about them.

And that's why they had to start,

they started a task force in 2006 in Canada because so many women, especially First Nation, were disappearing along Highway 16, which cuts across British Columbia.

It's an east-west highway used by truckers and loggers.

And so many women have disappeared off of this highway that they actually had to start a task force for it.

And Bobby Jack Fowler is now connected to at least three of the murdered women that have been found on the Highway of Tears.

But also, they're looking at him in connection with the May 3rd, 1992 killings of Melissa Sanders and Sheila Swanson, 17 and 19, respectively, both of Sweet Home.

They had been camping with their family at Beverly Beach, and they were last seen at 11 o'clock outside of a grocery store in Beverly Beach, and they were looking for a ride home.

Their bodies were found two and a half months later, 50 feet from a logging road.

So

So basically,

the police believe Bobby Jack Fowler may have killed minimum 20 people

between the U.S.

and Canada, but they think it's more likely above 40.

So he's a fucking, he's a regular old serial killer.

He's a legit straight-up serial killer.

I never even heard of him.

I've never heard of him.

And he, there was, there's, there's a bunch more.

If you look him up, I would definitely, because it's, there's all these they are trying to

they're trying to connect him to these murders there's so many murders on the highway of tears and he they thought they had him for like nine but then when they some of them it's only circumstantial evidence so they can actually only prove three which is a fucking lot um

but between there and then all the shit that he did in america he is like ted bundy level serial killer that no one's ever heard of

and you know did a lot of stuff right here in Portland.

So congratulations, everybody.

Well done.

Bobby Jackson.

Good job.

Thank you.

Good job, John.

Okay, we're back.

Karen, do you have any updates?

No new updates on Fowler himself.

He is still considered a suspect in multiple murders along the Highway of Tears, but nothing has been proven since his death in 2006.

Very frustrating.

So Highway 16 has been since 2017, there's been progress in making it safer, like subsidized bus services along Highway 16, new cell towers covering those long stretches of dead zones that have been there.

They're meaningful changes, but they're just first steps.

The Canadian National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls released its final report in 2019, officially calling this violence a form of genocide and issuing hundreds of calls for justice.

So there's been a lot of community-led action, Indigenous-led groups like the Tears to Hope Society create growing awareness and healing spaces for the people that have been affected by these murders.

They do things like relay runs, community safety workshops.

And if you want to know more about getting involved, you can go to tears to hope society.com and check out what they offer.

I was very moved because last year at the Emmys, DeFero Wunatai, who was nominated as Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy for Reservation Dogs, which if you haven't seen that show, it is brilliant.

It is amazing.

He went there.

He wore a black tuxedo with a red hand over his face.

So his first like big moment at an award show, he went and represented missing and murdered indigenous women.

I just think that's like incredible.

I saw it and I was like, you are so badass.

And this is so important.

And you like like eyes on the the prize for him in that way and so many people when you look up i was just trying to make sure i had all the information right all the google searches are why does the guy have the red hand at the emmys so people saw it and were like what is this about like just imagine how many people he made aware of this yeah like insane genocide as the native people believe it to be it's like it is no one's doing anything about murders that have been happening for years and years and years yeah i'm glad it's getting that title.

Yeah, but there's a long way to go.

Canadian and U.S.

governments really need to serve Indigenous populations better.

These people deserve justice and they deserve safety.

Yeah.

It's a heavy story.

We didn't know yet at live shows and even at regular not live shows to end with the positive stories.

So these are just both bad, both terrible.

It's April 2017.

We were just getting on our live show feet, learning these lessons of if there's a drink drink special at the bar, you have to have a stage high enough so people can't jump onto it.

There's rules, there's ways to do things.

Okay, so here's George's story, same show, about the Klein Falls hatchet attack.

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Sit back, relax.

This one's got a little something for everyone.

You're going to like this one.

I think so.

I hope so.

I don't know.

I just said that.

So this one was suggested to me by our friend Kat Solon, who's here, who a lot of you guys have her shirt design on.

So a lot of the stay out of the forest one and the regular

dad.

Tell cats.

Design.

She's very talented.

And so she suggested, I was like, what do I do?

And she's like, read this book called A Strange Piece of Paradise.

It's by a woman named Terry Jens, and it is about the Klein Falls State Park hatchet attack.

What the fuck?

That's what it looks like.

What's that guy's pelvis have to do with it?

I'll tell you all about it.

Klein Falls State Park is on the banks of the Deschutes River in central Oregon.

And it's basically, if you guys go there for summer, there, the park provides fishing

access to the river.

In 1976, the Trans-America Bicycle Trail was the first bicycle touring route to cross the U.S., traveling between Astoria, Oregon, and Yorktown, Virginia,

mostly rural two-lane highways.

It was an 80-day trail, it was called the Bicentennial Trail because it was a bicentennial,

and it was like, ride this trail.

It was a fun play on work.

Yeah.

I get it.

It took you along mostly rural two-lane highways.

It was an 80-day, 4,200-mile trip.

So in 1977, two Yale undergraduates, Terry Jens and Shana Weiss, are spending the summer before their junior year riding the Bike Centennial Trail.

They were seven days in and they stopped to camp at Klein Falls State Park, which you're not actually allowed to

camp there, but they didn't know that.

It's near Redmond, Oregon.

Both, when they get there, they mention having a creepy feeling like they're being watched, but they both ignored that feeling.

Because it's like, what are you going to be like?

Let's get the fuck out of here.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

No.

If you're just like, I have a feeling, and it could be like a deer.

Right.

I just don't know.

It's just like a really busybody deer.

Yeah.

That's just up in your fucking business.

When did you guys check in?

You're not allowed to camp here.

This is my area.

Yeah.

You don't want to see what I do at night.

That's why you can't camp here.

It gets real weird.

She's somehow that deer has curtains.

Who are you?

Busybody deer.

Busy body deer.

Well,

they settle in for bed around 1030 and then around 1130 p.m.

They're awaken when a truck drives into and over their tent.

What?

They think that at first it must be like an accident, a bunch of drunk teenagers, but Terry

expects to hear them freaking out, but instead hears what sounds like a single person get out of the truck.

Then she hears Shana scream, leave us alone, and hears the first blow of the hatchet.

Then she hears six quick more blows.

And she says, At that point, I knew we were being murdered by a single psycho.

And then he turns his attention to Terry.

She says, he's above me.

I'm thrashing from side to side, and I catch a glimpse of a piece of wood.

I feel a hunk of cold metal and start to lose consciousness.

At that point, she said she knew she was going to die, but a voice in her

head said, I'm too young to die.

So she opens her eyes and standing over her was a meticulously dressed cowboy straddling me on each side.

I could see the boots, the pant legs, the shirt meticulously tucked into his pants.

But his what?

Sorry.

Like a type A cowboy.

Is that what you said?

Yeah.

Look, I hate the idea of that so much.

See them put that up again.

That's where that comes in.

Oh, I hate his pelvis.

Yeah.

See, I feel like he would have gotten those jeans tailored for sure.

Yeah.

Well, she said that they were like perfectly, you know, around his boots in the exact way they're just like not a she said not a bulge of his cowboy shirt was out of place.

Everything was in place.

Even though he had just fucking driven over people and hacked them with a hatchet.

Mm-hmm.

But she said he couldn't, she couldn't see his face.

His head disappeared in the darkness.

But she said she could see the axe or hatchet poised above her, and he brings it down slowly, like as if to, you know,

what's it called?

Line and measure it.

Yeah, aim.

And she grabs the hatchet right here, like she's praying and says to him, Please go away.

Take whatever you want, but go away and leave us alone.

And he fucking leaves.

Sorry.

You got questions.

Go for it.

Do you think he was so fucking tightly wound?

He's like, well, she did ask politely.

I want to murder her so badly,

but she has such good manners.

Yeah.

Maybe.

I know.

I also, there's something about like a cowboy.

They're supposed to be this certain way.

You know what I mean?

They're supposed to be like, little ma'am.

Come on, let me serve you some beans.

Like, it's all supposed to be.

You know what I mean?

Jump on my horse with me.

They're not supposed to fucking they don't even think they use hatchets no I don't know I don't think they do do they

got it I think why would they need to that's for the logger yeah or the house house man yeah

um

she feels around the tent for her contacts puts them in with bloody fingers what how

how

Impossible.

I stand there for fucking 20 minutes in my bathroom.

I don't mean to question the victim, but I want more information about those contact lenses.

And then she finds her flashlight.

Listen, I don't fucking wear contacts.

You tell me.

Okay, they're fucking impossible to put in and take out.

One time I thought one was stuck to my eye forever, and it was very upsetting.

The idea that you would even try to do contacts in a tent, who were they?

What?

Okay, sorry.

Sorry.

This is really triggering.

Yes, I'm very upset.

From the cowboy thing, then you went straight straight into bloody contacts.

Karen doesn't want to fucking.

Right now, I'm that dearly.

What the fuck is going on over there?

You're disgusting.

Wear glasses for the weekend.

Your gritty hands and your eyes.

Bloody.

Bloody hands.

Bloody.

Gritty hands.

Fucking, okay.

I'm a little bit keyed up in this coffee right now.

Oh, we are both so excited.

My God, never getting one of these.

Charlotte, don't get back to me.

My lifeblood.

Your life contact.

Your lifeblood contact.

Don't go back.

I'm just going to go.

Okay.

Steven, cut that.

Okay, she gets a flashlight.

She gets out of the crushed tent.

She sees headlights down the park road and she's like, is that the fucking maniac killer or is that just someone driving through?

So she runs over to it and like, fuck it, it I gotta figure it out it's two teenagers driving through the park worst case scenario what if they were the killers

it was a couple they had just gotten in a fight because teenagers just you know get in fights seriously she said that I'm serious so they're all like arms crossed like why are you so bloody and then it's like

Can you imagine being like a 16 year old girl and you're mad at your boyfriend because you talked to this girl last night like she just asked for a cigarette and he gave her one.

She's like here I'm lighting.

And then, suddenly, fucking bloody person.

Can you help me?

Out of my hair.

Shit.

Those teenagers either got married or broke up right then.

They were like, Well, I guess it's not that important that she asked you for a cigarette anymore in the scheme of things.

Now that I realize I have some perspective as a 16-year-old, now that I know hatchet murders are happening 50 feet away from me.

Let's see.

So the two teenagers are driving through the park.

They find her covered in blood.

She flags them down.

And then they were like, get in.

And she was like, no, my friend, come follow me.

My friend is here.

And so the teens follow her.

And they find the friend by the river.

And she's lost consciousness.

Her head is all fucking hit up.

And then they bring her to the car and the teens take them both to the hospital in critical condition.

Guess what?

What?

They both survive.

Thank God.

Right?

Jesus.

I wasn't going to tell you that before I told you about all the hatchet shit, just because then you would be able to breathe a sigh of relief and I didn't want you to do that.

That's good.

That's good storytelling, right?

Yes.

It's tension.

You use that tension.

Yep.

Also, it would have been such a bummer if she had died because we were riffing like crazy right before.

No one wanted to really laugh.

Yeah.

Now you can laugh.

Yeah, now we can do it.

Now the deer.

But you didn't know that you weren't going to die.

We just did it because that's what we're like.

That's what we do, you know.

That's what we're like.

Okay.

There.

Shana suffering from serious head injuries, and that's the friend.

And Terry has a broken right leg, two broken arms, one of which is severely hacked by the axe, and there's a tire print left temporarily on her body.

Pam, you fucking deal.

Sorry, is that the girl that talked to the teenagers?

Yeah.

Two broken arms and a broken leg?

She tried to, she fucking still ran over to the.

Yeah, because she was on like, she was in crazy adrenaline mode.

Yeah, enough to put her fucking contacts in.

Apparently, when adrenaline hits, the first thing you want to do is touch your fucking iris a bunch.

Do you think she got her saline solution?

No, just pick an asshole.

She swirls them around a little bit.

Is that what you do?

Investigators have no description of the car, no eyewitnesses, no sign of the weapon, no fingerprints.

So aside from sketches made of the truck's tire tracks, the investigation quickly goes cold.

So

in the years following, both women recover.

Shana has permanently impaired vision, a loss of memory of the tech, and doesn't want to fucking talk about it.

And they stop talking to each other.

But I know.

But Terry goes back to Yale, finishes.

She's just like a badass.

15 years later,

she goes back to fucking find the person who did it and writes this goddamn book about it.

Oh, that's her book?

Yeah.

Holy shit.

Now here's the other one.

I gotta read that book.

Is that her?

Yeah.

Wow.

I have to say, don't listen to the audiobook.

Read it.

It's

the audiobooks.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Don't.

Read it.

Do you recommend the book book?

Read it right before bed.

It'll give you nightmares.

Yeah, read it.

It's just because the woman who reads it is southern, and it just like it doesn't make sense in, you know what I mean?

Yes.

Because you're just like listening to a southern accent, but the woman isn't southern.

You know what?

that's I realize I just bought the Errol Morris book that's about the one that's not the one that you did the story about.

Dr.

Jeffrey McDonald's.

Is that you did Sam Shepherd or Jeffrey McDonald's?

Sam Shepard.

Okay, so I bought the audiobook about Jeffrey McDonald, and the guy that's reading it sounds like an alien that's trying to blend in with human beings.

And it is so distracting.

It is really it's an art form, I've realized, for fucking years and years.

So she goes fucking back.

But after three years, the statute of limitations has expired.

On attempted murder?

On fucking attempted murder.

On

three years, Oregon.

On being a super neat cowboy.

On running over people in their tent that are sleeping and hatcheting them.

Fuck.

Three years, you're free.

Yeah.

So it's unsolved.

So in 92, she realized she's suffering from PTSD and she goes back to investigate.

She goes to Redmond with a video camera or a notepad and just starts fucking knocking on doors and she says, remember me, I'm this girl.

And everyone is like, oh fuck.

Like everyone had, it really had hit them because it was a really nice town and they were so embarrassed that that had happened in their town.

They were just like, shit, man, this, like, we're sorry.

Well, that became their hometown murder.

Totally.

They were like, did you hear about that fucking crazy shit that happened?

Yeah.

So she starts to comb police files and interview anyone who would talk to her.

Nearly all the official records of the attack, interviews, physical evidence, crime scene photos had been purged.

But she's able to find a 30-page report and even that took a lot of effort.

The first suspect she zeros in on is a convicted child molester named Richard Wayne Godwin.

He was known to have killed a five-year-old girl and kept her skull as a candle holder.

He's in prison for that murder and all the clues about the attack seem to point in his direction and of course I'm like it's him immediately like anyone who comes up it's him yeah

a female relative of his was camping at Klein Falls State Park that night.

And it's possible he was pissed at her and did this attack.

But various details, he convinces her that it wasn't him.

But he is up for parole.

So she fucking hell knows that and goes in and proceeds to intervene on his parole hearing to oppose an early release.

Shit.

Yeah, which worked.

That's nice.

Yeah.

She just, all she did is walk in and go, just quick note,

candle holder skull.

You guys learned that.

Bye-bye.

See you guys later.

That's all.

The fuck you need me to do.

Okay, so with the help of the teenage girl who was in the rescue car that night, the night she was attacked, as well as other locals who had a hot, everyone was like, well, we know who Dr.

Terry finds out about a local man who was a teenager at the time of her attack.

What?

Less than 24 hours after the attack, Dirk Duran beat his teenage girlfriend so badly that she was put in the hospital.

Her parents tried to file charges against him, but they were told that since they were both both minors to just forget it.

Yeah, that's the best way to deal with anything, really.

That's absolutely the judge told them that.

Yeah.

Well, he would know best.

Teenagers, they're always beating the shit out of each other.

They always beat the shit out of each other.

They're like, I'm not sure if you're a girlfriend and try to drown them in front of an entire bunch of people.

She, the girl tells Terry that the night of the attack, she and Dirk had gotten in a huge fight that had been broken up by her dad around 11 p.m.

That Dirk had left in a rage and after the attack, the time of the attack, showed up at her house house high on drugs.

She remembered that a tool, and the next day he beat the shit out of her.

She remembers that a toolbox in Dirk's pickup truck where he always, he always stored a hatchet and that toolbox was missing.

And then she realized something else was different about his truck that night or that in that time.

She said, I noticed he had changed the tires on the front of his pickup.

She visited the scene of the alleged attack and said she recognized the tire tracks from Dirk's car.

Without a shadow of a doubt, she said, I knew it was him.

Shit.

He could turn from this really nice, yes, yes, ma'am, thank you, ma'am, to Satan in his eyes.

I mean, it was just like two different people night and day.

And then Terry found out from locals that he had an axe that had, or like a hatchet or an axe that had his initials carved in it that went missing after the attack.

And he told people that he hurt someone with it and had to get rid of it.

The cops questioned him about it.

Sorry, who did he tell?

He was like, anyone who would listen, every person she fucking interviewed, this book is tits.

Like anyone who fucking,

like it's legit.

Anyone who will listen, she fucking, he fucking is like.

He just moseys up to the bar.

Hey, y'all.

Because he knew he was a suspect and everyone believed it, so he would just bring it up with people.

Because everyone, his nickname became

Dirk the Hatchet Man.

Noah.

Yep, Dirk Duran the Hatchet Man.

Well, that actually fits really nicely, I have to say.

Yeah, it's not like Dirk Duran, the like, the, the, the guy that ran over some gals, right?

Dirk dirt duran the this the like sword man that right though as well

um

immediate suspect and everyone thinks he did it uh got the name he'd been okay so he'd been adopted at a young age and his parents were pillars of the community and they ignored their adopted sons and many abnormalities and issues including rage and bullying and she Terry suspects that law enforcement did at the time as well because his dad was like a big man Terry is told that Dirk's mom had always coddled him, including doing his laundry for him and making sure that his signature cowboy outfit was always meticulous, even making cowboy shirts for him.

Uh-oh, handmade, mom-made cowboy shirts.

I want to talk about when you date a guy and his mom did his laundry and you're like, oh no,

get out right now.

In theaters, no, get out.

That is one of the,

oh, yeah.

I do ask every guy I date or dated, so when when did you start doing your laundry?

Not even tonight.

Because I want to know if you're a fucking child.

You're like, I'm not sure.

Mom,

bring her in.

During the investigation, Dirk is given two polygraphs.

So the investigation gets opened back up because this bitch is fucking stirring some shit up.

Yeah, she is.

Yeah, girl.

During the investigation, Dirk's given two polygraphs, fails them both, and when the examiner tells him this, he cowers and starts bawling when he's told, reaches out holding the hands or arm to arm we don't know um

saying

i didn't do it but maybe i don't believe that

terry works with

you do know you can't you can say nothing that's a that's also an option no or you can admit to it because the statute of motherfucking limitations is up so you can be like yeah fucking did it

Son of a bitch.

Okay, Terry worked with victims advocates groups rights to change the statute of limitations on attempted murder in Oregon.

It's eliminated in 96.

So thank Terry among other things.

Wow.

So there's none at all?

None at all anymore.

Tell your friends.

But it's not retroactive.

Oh, well, yeah.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

I mean, he served four years in jail for a crime he committed against a hunting partner.

The reason he's nailed is because I clearly copied and paste that because I would never say that.

It's because that she'd brought him to the attention of the police and they needed to fucking do something.

They were watching him carefully.

Ultimately, though, she's never able to prove conclusively that he's the attacker.

And then, so she said, and the book is really fucking amazing because as she's doing this, she's like finally coming to terms with all what happened because she used to make, you know, how we do, like, yeah, I got attacked when I was, you know, like, and showing the scar and being like, this is a badge of honor.

And look how I got past this and I'm successful.

And then suddenly she's like, I'm, I have PTSD.

So she goes back.

So she learned, she said, I I learned that traumatic memory gets stored in the brain differently than other memories.

When a trauma occurs, it isn't stored in a narrative with a beginning, a middle, and an end.

It gets stored in fragments, like shards of broken glass.

So one of the things that I found profoundly healing for everyone to do is to put those fragments together in a narrative with a beginning, a middle, and an end.

So you can tell the story of it.

You can incorporate it and begin to make sense of it.

So that's what she did with this book, even though she couldn't get this guy to justice.

And that is Terry Jence and her book, A Strange Piece of Paradise.

Nice.

Terry Jence.

I love that

because that must have been so hard.

That must have been the hardest thing in the world to walk away from like a successful life and pretending that you're good with everything and diving back into the deepest shit and putting it together.

Like you could just keep going, and she was successful and doing well, but she just wouldn't fucking like that.

But she kind of probably wasn't doing

deep down.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Well done, Terry Gents.

Yeah.

if you know terry or work with her please tell her we say hi yeah

um

should we uh that was a good story thank you yeah

okay we're back do you have updates for that horrible story Kind of.

So Dirk Duran was a pseudonym that Terry used for her attacker in her book.

But in coverage of this case, some media outlets have used his real name.

But I wanted to flag that Terry chose to give him a fake name because she was wary of giving him attention and or potentially endangering women who might reach out looking to reform him.

So it's just a little update.

Wow.

That's a really smart and unbelievable kind of like thing to be aware of that there.

There is this kind of like part of the population that has this very strange attraction to these horrifying men.

Yeah.

It's just very smart.

Mindbuggling.

boggling.

All right.

Well, we got so lucky, and we got a great hometown from Portland from an audience member.

This is a story about her weekend with Susan Monica.

Yeah, should we figure out a hometown for to hear from people?

Can you, if possible, can we just bring the lights up a tiny bit so we can just see?

We know this, the show's almost over when my tissue.

Oh my god, it goes all the way up there.

Hi!

I didn't know!

You didn't know.

Oh, there's been, this is the third show.

I know, but I didn't, I honestly hadn't seen that part.

Look at there's Stephen right there.

And there, he, and then he was there, and they were there.

You see him?

Nope, I still can't see him.

Because I haven't put my contacts in.

I refuse to do it anymore.

You can get it together.

Does anybody have a good hometown murderer that's a

good story?

I don't pick it up.

Is it good, though?

Karen picks.

Do you promise?

Yes.

Okay.

Come up these stairs.

Oh, I got a thing.

Thank you.

Hi.

Let's give this person a hand.

Hi, what's your name?

My name's Nicole.

Nicole, come here.

It's Nicole, everybody.

Clap for Nicole.

I am an agent.

Hi.

Okay, this feels so wrong because my sister Angela is the one that brought me and she turned me on to you guys.

She's amazing.

Okay, hi.

Angela, do you want to sneak up here like a cartoon character

don't roll up on the stage hike without her I'll fucking pull a gun on you

you should have seen the way my tone changed last night it went from like

girl look at this dress look at this dress everyone that's Siamese that's what I'm on walk it around

walk it around yes

For one second, I thought you were going to fall off the stage when you took a turn.

That scared the shit out of me.

I'm on a gunpowder.

Yeah, okay, guys.

Sisters don't know how to talk into microphones, but they're not.

Nicole, and

what's your name?

I'm Angela.

Angela.

Angela, okay.

Try it again.

Angela.

Yeah.

Steven.

Okay, but Nicole's telling the story, and then Angela's going to do backup.

Yes.

If need be.

Yes, I will.

Yes.

Okay.

I'm the Karen.

She's a Karen.

Come on.

I'm a Karen.

Yeah, it's okay.

So I have to be completely honest.

So a few years, what, five years ago now?

Probably.

I was in the throes of drug addiction.

So I spent a lot of time in and out of jail.

Which, to interrupt, that's part of why I love you guys because you're so honest about it and we know that we can be successful.

Because we've gotten past it.

That is a lot.

That is a big thing.

Hi.

We're glad you're here.

For real.

In one of my throes of let's still be drug addicts, I ended up in jail for a weekend.

It was the longest weekend of my life because I ended up in jail with Susan.

What is her last name?

Susan Monica, the pig farm lady.

What?

Yes, and she was from Klamath Falls, Granche Pass area and I ended up in jail with her and I ended up having to be sober.

That's up.

That was a good one.

It was terrible and she scared the living crap out of me.

She is, she's a tall woman and she is completely hairless.

She has no hair at all whatsoever.

And I was completely unaware of the situations going on in my own town because I was so consumed with myself.

I was like, give me drugs or give me nothing.

So I ended up in jail with her.

She's completely hairless.

Apparently she had fed bodies to her pigs.

I don't even know how many victims she had.

I don't think she had like.

Get this.

And so did one of my friends.

Hold on a second.

You know what?

That's not cool.

Yeah.

I love when I get a chance to do that.

Yes, that is her.

Stop talking to them.

I'm sorry.

Okay, go ahead.

Go ahead.

You tell the story.

I ended up with her and she had court and they came and got her and they gave her a wig.

She was mad about the wig because it wasn't her natural haircut.

They made her wear a wig?

Wait, sorry, so she had like alopecia or something?

Yeah, something where she was completely hairless and was losing weight consistently.

By the time I met her, she had a lot of money.

She will do that to you.

Yeah, maybe.

By the time I met her, she said she had lost like 50 pounds or something.

She was just skinny.

Who did she kill?

She killed workers on her farm from what I remember.

And then used their EBT food cards after they were already dead.

She was also on meth?

She was on something.

What did she, what was she like when you were in jail?

Okay, so here's the creepiest thing is that because I was so sober, I was so scared of her once I realized who she was.

And there were only two other girls in there.

It wasn't like it was a big dorm.

It's four little beds with no TV, and it's the weekend.

You're not getting out till Monday.

Jail, right?

I was on the top bunk and I was reading.

Since I've been in and out of jail so much, the officer was trying to do, so they always left me a pile of books.

Well, I was trying to, yeah, so nice, right?

So considerate.

It is nice.

And I was laying on the top bunk, and my book fell down, and I was too scared to move a muscle.

So she gets up, she gets my book, she puts it on top of my bunk with me, and then tucks me into the bunk.

I died!

I died!

Did it look like a big thumb was tucked in?

It was like this horrible blanket, this not warm, this crap blanket.

I'm in these clothes that smell like someone else.

This murderer, this pig murderer, not even like a good one that used a gun, like one that fed people the pigs,

has now put a blanket on top of me and touched me in for the night.

She's like, night night.

Now, what she says is, are you doing okay?

Are you coming down okay?

I'm like, yes, thank you.

And I roll over.

you're helping me so much so the whole weekend she told me about her murder she showed me all her court documents all the paper she had in the jail cell she was constantly constantly complaining because she needed like the special meal with like no meat everything has to be kosher

yeah and she showed me all her paperwork she's like they don't know but i told them the body's here and they won't listen to me i'm like who's not listening to you tell them where the body is?

She's showing me all these drawings and everything, and this other woman makes her dice so she can play the dice game.

It was just the worst weekend of my life.

But the highlight of my life is when I don't answer the call from prison because I don't have any money to answer because

it's a collection call.

So her voicemail is just

roommates with pig farm lady, roommates with pig farm lady.

And I'm like, oh,

my God, yes.

That's so sister.

I get out of jail.

She likes, so tell me what happened.

Tell me every day.

Are you okay?

Are you going to get clean?

Is everything going?

No.

Tell me more about the pig lady.

Oh, my God.

Rock the fucking bottom right there.

And I will tell you guys, that's the last time I've ever been in jail.

I mean,

you know, here's the thing.

If you went back to jail after that, that, it's just going to be a disappointment.

Yeah.

It's not going to be as good at all.

You're like, they left me Shakespeare, but I don't even want that.

She was like motherly.

You know what I mean?

She wanted to talk to everyone, find out what their problems were.

She wanted to like girl chat at night.

I'm like, leave me all the fuck alone.

I'm so sorry for whatever I did to be here.

You're like cold and hot and sweating and you're just like.

Yes, and she's just like talking.

She's showing me all her paperwork.

She's like, and there's so much more that they don't know.

I'm like, what don't they know?

I'm going to testify against you.

And that's how this works.

I'm trying to like stay calm the whole weekend, you know?

And I'm coming down to the bottom.

Prison wives, do you have to testify against your prison wives?

That's a class.

There could be a clause.

I'm not sure exactly what it is.

I mean, what if you did fall in love with her, though?

Oh, my God.

How'd you guys meet?

It was just the longest weekend.

By the time Monday came around and I knew I was getting to leave, I was like, well, have a good life and good luck with Court because she gets convinced that she's going to go home.

Oh, my God.

Because she just kept saying, well, I'm going to get to go home.

They're not going to be able to do anything.

It's fine.

They didn't even find all the evidence.

I'm like.

Wait, her name is Susan what?

Susan Monica.

Susan Monica, two first names.

I hate that.

A pig farm killer.

A pig farm killer.

And she would feed the people that worked for her to her pigs.

Did she kill them beforehand?

In one incident, she told me that she had killed the guy and then didn't know what to do with the body.

So she just took it outside to the barn.

Yeah.

Is what she told me.

She's like, I just let, you know, I just let the pigs take care of it.

They'll eat anything.

I don't feel bad about eating duck and pig anymore.

It's like,

you know?

Yeah.

Did she tell you that story as she was tucking you in?

Oh, no.

I laid the body gently into the pig mankin.

Is that warm enough for you?

Did you know pigs will eat anything?

They will eat anything, apparently.

Menka.

Menai.

Menay.

Yeah.

Oh,

that is amazing.

That is a really amazing story.

Nicole, right?

Yes.

Nicole, everybody.

Yes!

What was your name again?

And Angela Backup Sister.

Sister!

That was incredibly rich up.

You guys were great.

That was, fuck yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I love your girlfriend.

Well done.

Who's watching Alps?

Oh shit, I forgot to get a cap sitter.

I love that that was a sister team.

That's fun.

That's good times.

That's fun times.

That's exactly what happened last night, except for the second one was not invited on that stage.

Except it wasn't fucking terrifying, and I didn't think my life was ending.

And then fucking army roll.

I'll never forget it.

No, that was beautiful.

She did turn out to be very nice and apologized on lovely girls.

yeah lovely lovely ladies

okay we're back karen want to give us any updates on this case there aren't really any updates susan monica is still in prison serving her 50-year sentence she got convicted in 2015 and basically it's just

that's that's it just as awful as as it was yeah All right.

Well, so this episode was originally titled Live at Revolution Hall, but if we were naming it today,

perhaps we would call it.

We can call it I Can See Your Auras, which is what Georgia told the audience because she had had so much yerba mate.

I didn't remember that at all.

Oh my God.

I'm like, what am I going to caffeinate myself with this fucking trip?

That's the great mystery you have to solve for yourself.

Oh my God.

All right.

We could also call it, I love this, get out in theaters now.

When Karen says something about guys whose mom does their laundry, get out of that relationship.

Yeah, don't date guys whose moms still do their laundry.

Fuck no, still or ever.

Like, yuck.

Come on.

All right.

Well, thanks for listening to another episode of Rewind.

And go to myfavorate murder.com/slash live and see if there's any tickets left for any of our upcoming shows.

We'd love to see you there.

Yes.

Now, here's our goodbye from the 2017 Revolution Hall in Portland.

Did you hear that?

Yeah.

I like it.

Let let mimi sing

portland we adore you so much thank you so much for your support honestly

i've been i've been telling everybody this anecdote but it really is true you guys

um you guys were there so early for this podcast and you were so vocal and you were so in it and one of the uh one of the first um pieces of stay sexy don't get murdered graffiti that we ever saw that got posted to Twitter was from Portland, Oregon.

And it really meant the world to us.

You guys love your vandalism, and we love you for it.

Vandalize in our name.

Thank you kindly for that.

You've graffited our hearts.

Yes, permanently, tattoo style.

We love you.

Stay sexy.

And don't get murdered.

Bye, you guys.

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