Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 30: The F*ck Word Murder Mystery Show

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My favorite world

Hello!

And welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia.

You see, every Wednesday we release one of our old shows, but there's a twist.

We add all new commentary updates, insights, everything, the lives we've led, the people we are, the people we've become, the whole story. We give it to you.
Today, we're recapping episode 30, which for the first time in 29 episodes isn't named after the number pun. Thank you, Jesus.
Phew. Thank God.

Called one of the greats. It's called the Fuckword Murder Mystery Show.
Find out why by listening to

this.

Stay tuned and you can find out why we named it that. And join us today as we take you back

to August 18th, 2016. God, the summer of 2016.
And now we can all be day one listeners together. So let's listen to the intro of episode 30.
Are you ready? Are you? I'm ready. Let's be really low energy this time.
Let's be as quiet as we can. Yes.
Fuck, I screwed it up already. Yes.

You want to be quiet?

Yes. Yes.

Oh, God. Hi.
Welcome

to my favorite murder.

That's Georgia Hardstar. That's Karen

Kilgareff. The quietest

that we're the quietest girls. We're so

quiet on podcasts.

Thanks for

thanks for being here.

It's like spending your spending an hour with us.

Thanks. Thanks.
Thinking about Thank you. so quiet on podcast uh thanks for thanks for being here it's like spending your spending an hour with us thanks thinking about things with us guys there's so much going on in our world not the least of which is how georgia doesn't like stranger things there's someone at the door they're here to hang hang you from the highest limb of a tree.
I don't not like it. I have issues with it.
Okay, let's hear them. Well, it reminds me, remember the old Stephen King movies that would be made of Stephen King books that would be on, that were made for TV? Like, thinner.
Yes. And how ridiculous they were.
And if you guys say, what about True or Pet Sematary, go back and watch it again. It's the corniest movie.
But that was a feature film. Right.
And there was some scary shit. Yes.
I love that movie. But if you go back, you're like, oh, this is so corny.
It doesn't hold up. No.
And it reminds me kind of of that, of Stephen King, like made for TV movies. And maybe it's kind of supposed supposed to but I also just it reminded me of like someone who doesn't read sci-fi made a show about sci-fi yes and like I feel like if it's the kind of movie where if someone who had read the book were watching it which I know there's not a book but if you were you'd be like why the fuck did they leave this thing out this was the most important part like I feel like I would have been screaming that if I had read the book.
Well, you know, I've found, I think because I like seeing, I'm at that stage where that kind of nostalgia works on me because it's from when I was 10. Yeah.
I love the look and feel, but that other stuff took me out of it. Well, and it's really hard to connect.
This is kind of like the Stephen King problem and like lost a lot of those things. When you get your big good idea that's going to freak people out and hook people in, and then you try to connect that with kind of believable science or something grounded, it it's very difficult to do so it's like

um the upside down right is what yeah it was called like but there was nothing that you just

kind of entered it through this weird i mean yeah and you could go get your like it just yeah there

was a lot of wait what in it for me like and if you can walk into it then why does she have to go

into the thing to get it right and like well what is it what is it made out of Like, and if you can walk into it, then why does she have to go into the thing to get it? Right. And like, well, what is it? What is it made out of? Why did this happen? Why did this person exist? Yeah.
Why did they, how did she get out of the, yeah. Yeah.
It's, this is another episode of Georgia can't suspend her disbelief. You know, and it's a valid angle.
I do. However the night of i've gone through i'm three episodes in okay well when you get to the episode that aired last night oh my god first of all i keep falling asleep in front of the tv after watching night of and then dreaming about uh riz ahmed all night which makes me crazy they were showing photos of him as a kid like as part of this show and but there were real photos of him as a kid and i was like i want that dna inside of me like i want that baby that sounded gross that's like that's the biggest kind of crush you can have when you want their dna because who wants your dna inside me that's like a serial killer valentine that's disgusting that's a serial killer valentine um no that's how i feel about him i i steal that idea from you and i don't want to sleep with him i have a husband that i love who doesn't want kids so i'll just have one from him with big eyes and like beautiful after he and i marry and have many of our own and then you can we get into a thing here i guess we could like kind of a fun fun for the podcast yeah um it's a very long long show i love episodic i okay two things it's like a play it is like a play i would watch a whole show of just john toturo and about his eczema didn't know there were eczema support groups.
That's fascinating. Those poor, those poor people.
They can't date. I didn't know eczema was that awful.
Yeah. That's amazing.
And then last night, yesterday, when I watched it, Janet Colgate is now a character from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. What? You know, the female lawyer.
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes i got so happy when i named her name

janet colgate i said when she came on screen i said it in like in a the accent that was said

and i think vince was like who did i what did i marry wait what's that actress's name um you think

i can remember her character from a cheesy movie from the 80s but i can't remember her real name

her name is you get this you always get this i know but it's hot elizabeth nope it's stace nancy stacy nancy it's my favorite actress stacy nancy from such plays as nancy st stacy and nancy saint stacy that's the best stage name of all time. Taking it.
Stealing it. My favorite murder with Karen Gilgaro.
And Nancy St. Stacey.
Oh my God, that's good. I'm so sweaty.
Are you looking it up, Stephen? What is it, Stephen? Is the letter P in her first or last name? Penelope. Not at all.
God damn it. Then just say her name.
It's Glenn Headley. Glenn Headley.
You said that as if it was on the tip of your tongue. It was nowhere near my brain.
Glenn Headley? Glenn Headley. She's such a great actress.
She is, but oh, her name. Stephen Ray Morris, thank you for that.
That's like one of those white waspy names I would have never gotten. In my world girls can't be named glenn i've definitely

never heard that before yeah that's a family name i'm sure i'm sure it is that's on a crest somewhere but um so two thumbs up for the night of yeah watch it um we're not talking about this we're not talking about stranger things anymore yeah it's gone off i did you like the ending that they left it open

obviously for a second season?

I'm going to admit

I fell asleep

at some point

in the later episodes

and I can't remember

how it ends.

They ended it in a way

that was,

there's just like

no satisfying ending.

Can I tell you?

Because do you think

they're going to be a season two?

Well, Nancy and Steve

are still together.

What?

Yeah.

But she didn't love him. Does she? She does she love fake ben schwartz that's all i could see when i saw him did you see that's exactly what he looks like he looks so much he's like wasp ben schwartz yeah he looks like if ben schwartz got put through a rock and roll machine everyone look at ben schwartz i promise i nothing wrong with him but i just couldn't see that character um but sorry she goes back to him i feel like i just i should have spoiled alerted that yeah that's a big spoiler excuse me i feel like i just burped really loudly and like without warning anyone or saying excuse me before or after excuse me excuse me excuse me Can I say can i read you my favorite tweet that we've gotten on the my favorite murder twitter always this is tweet corner with karen tweet corner welcome bear me or me or me or me or me or that's the theme song okay um uh mimi the unsung cat of the hard star household she sings the the theme song to Tweet Corner.
Meow, meow, meow, meow. Mimi's got to have her spot in the...
Yeah, this is it. She's come to shine.
Ready, Mimi? Meow, meow, meow, meow. She's totally asleep.
Someone on Twitter named Trash Panda IRL. I love it already.

That's not a real person.

Read what her name is.

Oh, Tween Sensation.

Tween Sensation is her handle.

Okay.

Trash Panda IRL is her, I don't know, account name.

I don't know.

Trash Panda. And on her Twitter account, sorry, but I just noticed this.

Her header picture is a picture of Barb and it says, In memory of Barb, see you on the other side. That's incredible.
It's an illustration of Barb from Stranger Things. That's the best.
Hell yeah, Trash Panda. The best.
Way to bring it all around. So she tweeted at us and said, My dad keeps calling your show the fuck word murder mystery show because he can't remember the name and i cannot stop laughing at that say it again my dad keeps calling your show the fuck word mystery murder mystery show because he can't remember the name that is so first of all i can't if my dad heard a podcast where girls were saying the f-word he would pull the stereo out of the car and throw it on the highway.
I swear, if my dad ever hears this, he's going to call me with such a stern tone. And so I love the fact that Trash Panda IRL's dad is even listening to it at all.
I love him. I love him.
He sounds like my dad. And I think we might need to change the name of this podcast

to the Fuckword Murder Mystery Show. I try not to do this, but someone who makes the memes needs to get our logo and change it into, say it one more time because it makes me so happy.
The Fuckword Murder Mystery Show. It's just beautiful.
Can I read you something that's probably going to make you want to cry? Yes. Liz C.
on the Facebook page says, I'm 19 years old and fighting cancer at the moment. Oh, no.
Ready to cry? Yep. My dad and I listen to the podcast on the way to the hospital and back.
It's a great way to keep my mind off things, except now I'm scared to get murders. LMAO.
I can't wait for the the new shirts to come out i'm definitely going to be wearing it to the hospital love all you murderinos and then there's 200 comments including mine that says your next shirt is on the fucking house and what's her name liz liz yeah liz hey liz you fight the good fight you get in there you do your fucking chemo or however you're taking care of this business and get it taken care of and get it out of you. And many years of this stupid bullshit to come.
Wait, the podcast or cancer? No, no. None of that.
Only the podcast and general fun things in life. Yeah.
Murder, cancer. You're going to be the smartest person, know because you've dealt with this thing.
And you're going to have a great perspective on life. Totally.
I actually know many cancer survivors. And the cool part about it is once you get through that, all that bullshit of like, that girl took my brush and now I'm going to try to ruin it.
And you don't do that shit anymore because you're like yeah you're like oh i understand what

loss is yeah and i understand the gift of life that we have right now and my family who was there for me when i'd like that we that we were able to get through this together the fact that her dad listens to that on the word that listens to this bullshit you guys sorry we curse stay strong we love you we're thinking you. Oh, we're back.
Thank you, tween sensation and your dad for that amazing title suggestion. That's amazing.
And then, of course, you better believe that some awesome Murderino created our logo with this brand new title. We'll put it up on the Instagram and on all the socials.
It was Jason Klein. Jason Klein was like, the wife's out of the house.
The kids are asleep. You better believe I'm making you a logo.
It was the best. It's so good.
It looks exactly like it. Apparently, we really loved Stranger Things.
I don't remember having that sort of passion. I don't either.
The first season, I think, was fucking excellent. And that's why.
Maybe it was the newness of the style and then it truly has been on for seasons and seasons. Yeah.
Mystery, 80s mystery with like great clothes, music. Winona Ryder.
Yes. The scenery is just like spot on.
There's like a missing child aspect to it which is always exciting. Somebody like that, look, a young girl with a shaved head who looks like she's in a daze with a bloody nose.
Boom, I'm in. Yeah.
What is this? I'm hooked. What happened to her? Yeah.
All right. Well, it's time to get into one of, oh God.
I know. This is kind of an epic true crime story because it is connected to another true crime story, which is like, those are very rare and horrifying.
And this one is one of the worst. So let's listen to Georgia tell the story of the Yosemite Park killer, Carrie Stainer.
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Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1.

I just knew him as a kid.

Long, silent voices from his past came forward. And he was just staring at me.
And they had secrets of their own to share. Gilbert King.
I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott. I was no longer just telling the story.
I was part of it. Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer.
He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now, I need to tell you how I got here.
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer. Bone Valley, Season 2.
Jeremy. Jeremy, I want to tell you something.
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Okay. But we never delved into.
Okay. The Yosemite murders.
Carrie Stainer. As we know, and we've talked about Carrie Stainer.
Here's just like the beginning of the fucked up-ness. Carrie Stainer was the big brother of Stephen Stainer,

who if you'll remember,

in 1972,

was kidnapped and held captive

by a child molester named Kenneth Parnell.

Carrie was the older brother

and he was 11 years old.

When it happened.

Yeah, when it happened.

And Stephen, the brother, was held captive more than seven years before escaping that itself is a fucked up story that you guys should look up so awful and this was one of our earliest episodes we were trying to remember the name of that the made for tv movie which is called i know my name is steven yes and we we talked about it for way too long and we're still getting people that are tweeting at us and sending us emails saying, it was called I Know My Name is Steven. It's like that happened six months ago.
Well, when we talked about that, that was the first time I found out that these two were brothers because I knew about Carrie's murders and I knew about Steven's kidnapping, but I didn't know they were connected. And that just makes it, it just, it makes, it boggles the mind, you know, in a way that's like more than just when you think of a serial killer you're like how does your brain do that and we have this added piece of fucking childhood trauma in there also it makes me think this poor family oh my god totally is left standing it's just like how much can some people take those parents terrible yeah it's so much well so the year after uh steven came back i'm gonna call him carrie carrie's uncle was murdered and carrie was living with the uncle at the time um but no one considered him a suspect and carrie would later claim that his uncle molested him.
Oh, no.

Cut to 1997. Carey was hired as a handyman at the Cedar Lodge Motel in El Porto, just outside of the Highway 140 Arc Rock entrance to Yosemite National Park.
So just outside Yosemite, Cedar Lodge. the weekend before February

1999

he was having these murderous fantasies that had become so intense that he knew he was going to murder someone. He prepared a murder rape kit containing a rope, a roll of duct tape, and a serrated kitchen knife, and later a gun and a camera.
And as far as we know, besides his uncle, which may or may not have happened, these are his first murders. So on Valentine's Day, 1999, Carol's son, who was 42, her daughter, Julie, who was 15, and Sylvina Peloso, who was 16, were his first victims.
Carol was initially leery of carrie when he knocked on their cabin door saying he had to fix the fan in the bathroom she talked him through the window and didn't want to let him in and only did so after he said he'd go get the manager to like confirm it and she was like no no no no that's okay you know the way people do which is when they give you the double confirmation of like, oh, don't worry.

I'll go do the thing you want me to do.

Right.

Well, if you say that then.

Well, if you say you're going to do the thing I want you to do, then you must be legit.

Right.

Then, okay.

Yeah.

All right.

I'll do it.

So, but once inside, he pulls out a 22 caliber pistol.

He tells them he's desperate, quote, and orders them to lie face down on the bed. He bounds their hands with duct tape, gags them, and then he took the two girls into the bathroom.
He strangles Carol with a three-foot piece of rope, later saying in his taped confession, I didn't realize how hard it is to strangle a person. It's not easy, but I had very little feeling it was like performing

a task. Yeah.
Keep that in mind. If it's really hard to strangle somebody, so maybe don't do it.
Yeah. It's harder than one thinks.
So after putting her in the trunk of her rented Pontiac, He goes back to the girls, cuts their clothes off, and then he strangles Sylviana in the bathroom. And then he sexually assaults Julie in the motel room and then wraps her up and he ties her to the bed.
He says he felt like he was in control for the first time in his life and he cleaned up the crime scene so well that it appeared that the women had checked out and left when the when the um people came to check the staff when the staff came later to check to see if they were there um they had detected no foul play let's see he even wiped his hair off the bed sheets and then when the FBI agent asked on tape why he did that he replied I watched the Discovery Channel oh no hi that's all of us yep oh yeah everyone's getting real smart about forensics together good and bad yeah for Sure. So at 4 a.m., he takes Julie out of the motel and drives her away in the rental car with her mother and friend in the trunk.
So she's still alive? Yes. Okay.
And I don't know. I don't think she knows that those two are dead and in the trunk because he kind of there was two motel rooms that he was going between.
And I don't think she ever saw the bodies. She just thought she was separated.
Yeah. So she says, he says, I didn't know where I was going or what I was doing.
I just kept driving and driving. And he said about Julie, she was a very likable girl.
He said, crying on tape. She was very calm.
So Don is approaching. He turns off at Lake Don Pedro and carries Julie a dirt path to a small clearing overlooking the water i told her i wished i could keep her he said then he sexually assaulted her again finally brushed her hair and fanned it out on the ground beneath her head i told her i loved her he said and then he slit her throat oh no i didn't want her to suffer the way the other two did.
Too late, asshole. I know.
Like, I think because he choked them manually, he was thinking that it was taking longer. So he slit her throat.
Oh, comparatively. Yeah.
Like, thinking he was being compassionate. So he hides her body and he drives the car with the bodies in the trunk as far as he could under the forest.
Then he takes a cab back to Yosemite, pays with the fare with the $150 he stole from Carol's purse. Two days later, he returns to the car with a can of gasoline and scratches, we have Sarah on the hood with a pocket knife.
And then he lights the car on fire. Then he drove two hours west and dumped Carol's billfold on a Modesto Street corner to fool the police.
This is near where you're from, kind of. Kind of.
It's the Central Valley. Okay.
We're more on the coast. Okay.
So more than a month later, the remains of Carol Sund and Peloso were found in the burned out rental car abandoned along a logging road. And six days later, the FBI received an anonymous letter with a crudely drawn map and a message, we had fun with this one.
And following the map, the searchers found Julie. The detectives began interviewing employees of the Cedar Lodge Motel, where the first three victims had been staying just before their deaths.
One of the employees was Carrie, but he was not considered a suspect at that point because no criminal history and remained calm during the police interview. Fucking psychopath, right? Oh my God.
FBI agents and local police rounded up a bunch of meth heads and sex offenders and told the tourists and residents that they were confident they had the killers in custody. That.
Okay. So another woman disappears on July 22nd.
This is Joey Ruth Armstrong. J-O-I-E.
Who is 26. She's a pretty redhead who worked for the Yosemite Institute teaching children about nature.
Oh, sweet angel. She worked at the, let's see,

was alone in the isolated cabin

where she lived when Carrie came upon her.

Man, we can't have anything.

We can't even live alone.

Well, but living in a cabin alone in the woods.

Yeah, but guys get to do it.

What?

Guys get to live alone in a cabin in the woods

without getting murdered for the most part.

Yeah, and they're guys.

That's what I'm saying. It's not fair.
No, I know. I'm more, I'm still in the woods without getting murdered for the most part yeah and they're guys that's what i'm saying it's not fair no i know i'm i'm more and i'm still in the mode of if you're going to live in a cabin in the woods then pull your gun out anytime someone approaches your home yeah like i don't know or or big dogs big angry scary dogs i don't know yeah I get it.
Don't be all chill. Yeah.
I wouldn't want to live. I like living in a big city where there's just people everywhere.
Yeah. On top of you all the time.
So according to the interview, Carrie confronted Armstrong at gunpoint on the front porch of her cabin. Oh, he had a gun.
Yeah. I wouldn't help.
He told her it was a robbery and forced her into the cabin and covered her mouth and bound her hands behind her back with duct tape. Then he put her in his sports utility vehicle SUV.
I could have said that. Thank you.
Someone needed an extra word count in their newspaper piece, right? Did you also draw a picture? Yeah. Page five is just one big picture.
Well, I copied a couple of these sentences and that was one of them and now i'm like that guy just needed a higher word count oh yeah for sure yeah he said i lost control of myself and i lost control of her um let's see he said when this started out i had no intention of cutting her head off which he later did spoiler alert man he says he has no intention of cutting her head off i had no intentions of killing her even the first time i saw her yeah right then i started thinking about it it was in the house there was there was nobody in the house with her she kept walking out by herself and she watered the plants and it was obvious she was taking off and getting ready to go that's when i started talking to her so the assistant u.s attorney then okay in court papers it was said after he had driven a short distance she dove head first out of the wind through the window out of the moving truck and still bound with duct tape ran through the woods toward the nearby community of farista to get help hell yeah girl good for you

fight your fucking last fight yeah you know i don't know if that was the right saying while carrie ultimately subdued armstrong she fought so crazy and with such passion that stainer wasn't able to do his normal cleanup job like obsessive cleanup job he disposed of her beheaded body near in a nearby stream and the head turned up 27 feet away in a hurry he fleed and a close source he fled he fleed no he fleed karen don't fucking correct me when i say let her count he fleed sorry to correct you no you're right he fled a close a source close to the investigation oh my god i think you were pointing that out. No, you're right.
He fled. A close source, close to the investigation.
Oh, my God. I think you were pointing that out.
No, I did not catch that. Says it was a fight from start to finish.
She tried to get away and she almost did get away. And those several minutes of struggle left behind a lot of evidence.
Her determined fight for life denied him the chance to cover up the crime scene and it led to his capture and undoubtedly saved other lives. Yes.
She basically ended it. Yep.
By fighting that hard. She fucking fought so hard that he lost it.
So in his haste, he left behind footprints, and basically his car was seen around the area. It was really distinctive.
The tire tracks were as well. And so the vehicle was traced to him and he was arrested.
And during his interrogation, he confessed to all four murders. He pled not guilty by reason of insanity.
And a doctor testified that he had mild autism, obsessive compulsive disorder, and paraphilia. At one point during the trial, the judge, Thomas C.
Hastings, had to leave the courtroom so he could compose himself in private because the testimony was so fucked up. He returned several minutes later, red faced and misty eyed.
A judge. The circumstances of this case are horrendous and devastating.
He said before announcing the sentence carrie was found sane and convicted of four counts of first degree murder by a jury in 2001 he was sentenced to death and is still in san quentin he claimed after his arrest so everyone's like did you did you get these murderous tendencies because of the stuff with your brother? Yeah. And all this like horrible stuff that happened when he was a kid.
But he said after he was arrested, he had fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother. Whoa.
So what are the chances like those two traumatic fucked up things are going to happen in one family? So awful. Okay.
And then I went on Facebook and found a hometown murder from a reader so i'm gonna read it okay so taylor c says in june of 1999 i was 11 and my brother was eight my family and i went on a road trip to yosemite from la and all caps stayed in the cedar lodge motel this is for everyone this is right between the murder of the three women and the murder of the single woman like months before like months in between oh man around 9 30 at night my brother and i were watching batman and robin and we get a knock at the door my mom looks through the people sees some dude and asks what he wants he says pizza delivery we had already, so we knew no one had ordered a pizza. My mom tells him as much, and he insists that we did.
My mom tells him that he must have been mistaken, but he keeps insisting. After a certain point, my mom walks away and assumes he did as well.
Several minutes of knocking later, my mom calls the hotel management. He must have heard her on the phone because when they showed up, he was gone.

My mom filed a police report, but nothing really ever came of it.

I think when they caught him, she was briefly interviewed,

but because she didn't get a good look at him, she wasn't useful in the case.

To think, my brother and I could have died while watching Arnold laying down

some truly excellent ice puns.

Because they were watching, where'd it go Batman and Robin fucked up shit was was it did she say it was just her mom it was her brother and her mom her and her brother and her mom so like he spotted like moms with kids yeah he must have targeted them man but why would you do it again in the same i mean i guess you didn't get caught the first yeah you didn't get caught and you're cocky and he has still has the fantasy like he still has it's the compulsion and then there's sometimes that thing of like maybe you wanted to get caught yes well it surprised me when you said that he cried when he was talking about that first girl. Well, when that when during the trial, when a lot of the stuff is being discussed, when he was listening to his own testimony, he would he would plug up his ears and cry like he couldn't listen to it, even though when he was giving that information during the interrogation, he was like, like dead, you know, emotionally dead so either that was just for the just for the show for the jury oh that's true or you know maybe he was on anti psychotics or something at that point and understood or if he was like yeah he was like hadn't processed anything yeah he was confessing yeah Okay, we're back.
Georgia, are there any updates for this story? Yeah, there are some. Before today's episode, I was reading a bunch of articles about everything because I'm so curious personally about any other murders he may have committed that we don't know about.
And there's just still no information about that whatsoever. So that's kind of, I mean, I just, I feel like it has to be there.
But so Kerry Stainer is now 63 years old. He's still incarcerated at San Quentin.
And as I mentioned, they're looking into him for five other killings dating back to the 80s. And there's just including his own uncle, and there's still nothing.
And he's never been charged in those cases. And then the FBI later revealed that Carrie Stainer originally planned to murder his then-girlfriend, that he was dating at the time of these murders and her two children.
And he attempted three separate occasions, but was derailed when he saw another person on the grounds where they lived, leading him to find his first victims at the Cedar Lodge Motel instead. And actually, one of the little girls, one of the daughters of the then girlfriend has come forward and talked about him as like the perfect, you know, stepdad type.
And they had no clue whatsoever, of course, you know, and then her horrible survivor's guilt that she had and just how awfully it affected her life. It's really moving.
But yeah, in general, that's just like just such a fuck story. It's just it's so dark and so odd.
Because I think someone in this story, he was arrested and then someone asked him if he got his murderous tendencies because of what happened to his brother. And he was like, no, I've been fantasizing about murder since I was seven years old.
So dark. Just terrible.
I know. I think there's a really good documentary out there about this too, if you want to check it out.
All right. Well, let's get to your wild story.
Wild, also heartbreaking. This is Karen's story about Clark Rockefeller.
All right. Are you ready to transition? Always.
because mine I actually this I was watching this documentary this weekend about this guy that i'm going to talk about and it's very entertaining even though he is also a murderer um he is more a con man which i actually kind of adore you're like a mobster who won't kill women and children yes you're like you know what you know when you can like pick and choose the bad like this is the kind that i like where it for the most part now he is a borderline personality i think extreme narcissist there they have all kinds of um you know the psychiatrist talked about what he was in court but he he basically what it was, he was a guy who grew up in Germany as a very awkward teen. In this documentary, they talk about how he, when all their friends would go to like the, to the lake every summer, he would always go, but he would be fully dressed up and he would never, never saw him in a bathing suit because it's

hitler that man's name was mr adolf marie hitler um no uh this was uh well he was born christian Carl Gerhardt Schreiter.

Ui!

But he had many names in his long con career. He also went by the name Chris Chichester, Chris Crow, Chip Smith, and finally Clark Rockefeller, heir to the Rockefeller film.
What's the documentary called? It's called My Friend Rockefeller. Yeah, I never got through it.
So tell me everything. It is, it's worth getting to the part where Clark Rockefeller or Chris Chichester or Chip Smith or Chris Crow is my favorite because he, when he was Chris Crow, he claimed to be a relative of Cameron Crow.
He does all these these lies that are just small enough they're big enough to impress you yeah but small enough to be believable right and it is masterful and he's a really legitimately IQ style intelligent person but he also doesn't really have any morals so most of the time everything's fine because because he's just trying to get money and work for himself and get what he wants. Fair enough.
And doesn't he make everyone happy around him too? Everyone thinks he's so funny and cool? For a little while. I think the limit's two years that people are happy around this guy.
Then he starts getting real irritating. And that's when he gets kicked out of houses, fired from jobs, what have you.
But so this is basically how it goes. He grows up as an awkward teen in Germany.
He has a group of friends. And in the documentary, the friends get interviewed.
And what I loved is one of the friends goes, I love that he tricked all those rich Americans. And that part made me go, oh, yeah, that's true.
He really did get away with huge huge huge lies for a really long time yeah so here's basically how it went um he also claimed to be these are all the things he claimed to be an actor a producer a director an art collector a physicist a ship's captain a negotiator of international debt agreements and an english aristocrat he was He did it all. So when he was 17, he met an American couple who had pulled off and asked him for directions on the side of the road.
And he met them, got their names. And then when he wanted to go to America when he was 17, he used their names on the entrance documents to say that they had invited him there and he was going to go live with them.
This was a one-off meeting on the side of the road. And those people are also in this documentary.
It's pretty awesome. So he comes to the United States and he goes to Meriden, Connecticut.
And he finds the family of a backpacker he met once on a train in Germany. I can't even talk to the person sitting next to me on an airplane.
I have a hard time talking to people I've known for 20 years. Yeah.
Much less asking people if you can go stay at their parents house. Oh my God.
I asked Vince if i can like eat some of his chips because i feel bad

about it i can't imagine being like can i stay at your place we met once and just weird and uncomfortable no um okay so he explains to them that he is from a very wealthy german family and that he um is in america like he's a foreign exchange student and can he stay with them because he's going to be going to the local high school.

Basically, he starts going to high school in connecticut and basically his whole thing is he wants to be american he wants to blend in he becomes obsessed with gilligan's island and he starts talking like thurston halberd oh that's cool and when he appears in this documentary that's who he's talking like And it wasn't until I was reading this article where they mentioned this specifically where I started laughing. Because they don't talk about it in the documentary? He does talk about it, but they talk about it like it's an inside.
The guy who makes the documentary who was friends with him brings it up, but they don't like... Clark Rockefeller kind offeller like kind of brushes it off like oh yeah yeah yeah but he totally sounds like him but he's talking like oh my god that's perfect and he's basically saying like it's the funniest but also it's that thing where i don't like to usually i don't like to listen to killers especially i never watch anything where the serial killer is talking i don't give a fuck what that guy has to say he's evil this guy's different though because he's a con man first yeah and foremost yeah even though yes he's an he's a bad person killer all of that but he is a fascinating mind because he was smart enough to like at in as a teen con all

these people so he goes he goes to this high school um he uh he decides that he wants to be an actor so he heads west but he makes it as far as wisconsin and he decides he's going to go to the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee.

So once he's there, he decides he's going to go to the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee. So once he's there, he decides he needs to he's been in in the United States long enough where he needs a green card, basically needs to become a citizen.
So he decides he's going to marry a local 22 year old woman who he explains to her that he he needs the green card because if he gets sent back to germany he will have to fight in the cold war on the russian front now if you knew anything about anything i mean and i barely know anything about anything but when i read that i was like hey wait a second pretty sure Cold War didn't have a front. Because the Cold War was all about tensions and basically threats.
There's no such thing as. There was no Russian front in the Cold War.
I mean, there were places to go. There were bad things happening.
Definitely. He if the idea was that he was going to get sent back to like East Berlin and have to spy on his neighbors.
Yes. Horrible.
But there was no Russian prisoner of war because of, or not a prisoner of war of accused of war crimes or something like a political person. Yeah.
But there was no, the Russian front was from world war two. Yeah.
That was a bad, bad place to be. Sure.
Anyway, she fell for it and married him. And the next day he left for california so i was like was she was she in agreement and fine with it but then later i read that she filed for divorce in 1992 11 years later what maybe she was like needed him maybe she's like a lesbian and like needed to appease her family story yeah oh cover story? Yeah.
Oh, I didn't even think about that. I was, I immediately wrote the story of she was just heartbroken and like pining in Milwaukee.
Oh. For this fabulous European that bailed on her the day after.
Because it said their wedding. So it sounded like it wasn't just the basics like city hall signs and papers like they had a wedding oh

no um sad a little crazy all right so he or maybe she like is like me and is just bad about paperwork and doesn't get shit done in time so she's like oh that's right i have to get divorced yeah i'll do it when i meet someone else i'll do it when i have good reason that she's on tinder sw, swiping, swiping. Come on.
So he heads out to California. Now this is, it's so fascinating.
He goes to San Marino. Now I don't know if you've ever been to Huntington Gardens.
Oh, you're from down here. You know, San Marino is like, so Pasadena is a rich area that very few people I know live in.
Cause it's like old money, rich, you know, you have to live out of the city city San Marino is richer than Pasadena it's the it's the city nestled up right next to Pasadena where all the mansions are it's gorgeous it's crazy so this is a guy who's in his early 20s like college age he's moving to LA to be an actor and he moves to San Marino to get so it doesn't make sense san marino i looked it up it's it was rated more expensive than beverly hills and malibu to live in so it just is nonsensical for like a young actor type to live there sure but that's that's what he was about he was like a total he was thirst and how the third and he was trying to go become that person in like a very real way yeah so he got he rented the guest house that was um in one of the least nice houses in all of san marino there was there is actually a slightly shabby part which is just basically not million million dollar homes. And in one of those houses, a woman named Didi Sohas had a guest house on her property.
Didi reportedly was an alcoholic who was always dressed in a house coat. Which sounds like.
Hey, sister. High five.
Yeah. and dd had a son named john who was five foot five super into dungeons and dragons coke bottle glasses and was married to a woman named linda who was six a six foot tall redhead um they sound like fucking our type of people they are they are our type of people yeah they lived in um like the house

adjacent so it was almost like this little compound and clark rockfeller um at the time his name was um let's see his name here was christopher chichester okay which is the dumbest made-up name of all time that sounds like when i said what was it nancy saint nancy nancy St. Stacey.

That wasn't as bad as Chichester.

That's not as bad as Chris Chichester. Yeah.
It's like you stuttered three times. Yeah, throw more C's in there, you dork.
So, okay. So he shows up in San Marino.
He's charming everybody. And what he tells them is that not only is he a computer expert, a film producer and a stockbroker, he is also the nephew of Lord Mountbatten.
So what I kind of do like about this all is all the people that get tricked by this guy are people who are label whores and status whores. So anyone that's like impressed by someone talking like thirst and hell the third and saying i'm i'm related to lord lord mount baton yeah where like in my family if you said that it'd be like we'll go do the dishes it'd be like really lord mount baton can you go get some more beer out of the downstairs refrigerator right um but it's the it's a lot of people and especially that's why he was going to places like San Marino.
You go to places where people work in those worlds, and those are the people that are most impressed by, you know, you're all rich? Well, I'm a blue blood. Well, I'm actually royalty.
Someone that can come in and beat them at their own game. What's more interesting than that so uh the local said he was a whiz at everything he uh proved especially popular with the women who were very charmed by his royal bloodline and his courtly manners one of the women said he knew everything about everything and he was just fabulous okay so it's not just a an act he's really getting away with it.
And he was very, very smart. Sounds like it.
So in 1985, Tragedy Strikes, this is two years after Chris moves into the Sohus' house. DeeDee's son, Jonathan, and his wife, Linda, go missing without trace um chris tells everybody that they told him that they were going to go to europe um the family got a postcard from france supposedly from the couple after the disappearance but its authenticity has been questioned um and so soon after they disappear dd sohas disinherited her son, who was beloved to her up until that point.
The police think that she was convinced that he had abandoned her. Oh, no.
And after, when Didi died, they found that $180,000 of her estate had been looted. Her entire estate, sorry.
Her entire estate was worth $180,000 and all of it had been taken. Oh, that's so sad.
So. Dungeons and Dragons.
Dungeons and Dragons. I just say that like it's, I mean something by it.
I know, and I do too. Dungeons and Dragons.
Yeah. But we know what we mean.
In the late 80s police pull christopher chichester over in uh greenwich connecticut he's driving jonathan so has his truck uh-oh um the police he leaves the area before police can interview him i don't know what that means if he's like oh well thanks everybody who's thanks for pulling me over great to see you and just drives away i'm not sure or if they meant like come to the neighborhood sounds like the neighborhood right it's just weird because if you've got him there and he's driving so maybe they just had the information that it was that truck and they didn't put it together till later yeah but i looked it up greenwich um in the year 2000 Greenwich was the third wealthiest town in connecticut so he's just going east coast now he's going to do this on the east coast big money yeah so he rents a post office box in greenwich under the name christopher c crow ccc he loves the c because he literally walked into the indian harbor yacht club like he owned the place so there this is a rich town that has a yacht club and he rolled up on in here's how he was described he looked like he walked out of a magazine he always had his burberry winter coat burberry umbrella very fine cotton button-down white shirts with ccc monogrammed on the pockets for christopher chichester crow always pristine always perfect uh sounds like what you wear whenever you go out yep i i do have my button down k lk shirt on i'm so hot um someone else said he's talking to you as if he's smarter, wealthier, more connected, more everything than you, no matter who you are. Fuck you.
So he's just playing the rich game and beating them at the rich game. Because I think Thurston Held III was the richest man on the planet.
So if that's who he is, he's right um so he sleeps with a woman he so that basically his in and in greenwich was this yacht club okay he's he starts sleeping with a woman who ends up getting him this really high level job um in town at a broker dealer firm i don't know what that is i don't either i cut My eyes were skipping over the part where it got into finance. Business.
But basically, a huge finance job. Okay.
You have to take two tests to do this job. One called the Series 7 and one called the Series 63.
It's seven hours of questions. Holy shit.
And he passed it. What the shit? So he's not, he's a very, very, very intelligent person.
So now, you know, the brain that's being applied to conning people, fair, a memorizer, an absorber of personalities and information and the kind of person that will tell you the perfect lie. Yeah.
He's Lord Mountbatten's nephew. He's not anybody's son.

There's nothing direct. So, all right.
So he stays at this job for two years. Oh, my God.
But he's super, people don't, at first, it's interesting that they have this royalty working there. After two years, they're sick of hearing him talk.
and he did the ultimate wrong move,

which was the boss, the guy that hired him, who was the president of the company, wanted to access his own computer. And Chris wouldn't tell him how to do it.
Because he thought, if I'm the only one that knows how to do it, and you don't know, I will never get fired. Instead, the guy in charge was like, get get the fuck out of here and somebody else is going to teach me how to get into my computer weird well from there he gets a better job oh my god so he gets fired from that job and then he gets hired at a place called nico i don't it's another one of these like wall street jobs yeah karen this is not our universe.
I'm not interested in it. I don't like it.
Nope. I don't care.
But

it's another one of these like wall street jobs. Yeah.
Karen, this is not our universe. I'm not interested in it.
I don't like it. Nope.
I don't care. But essentially he does great there too for a couple of years, but he, a couple of people were onto him.
This is all in the documentary because he would ask, he'd ask a question like, um, do you, have you ever sold one of these? And the guy that he asked the question to is in the documentary who's like that'd be like asking a dentist do you know what a bicuspid is like it's

one of the basics so that guy was like i was pretty sure something was going on yeah um and

then of course by the end everyone's just he's bragging and he's you know an asshole to everybody

um so he gets fired from there uh then um he goes to another company a bigger company so he gets a better job each firing he just is failing upwards but this is the job where they finally do a background check oh no sorry two years after he got dismissed from the first place, they finally look him up.

They'd run his social security number.

And the social security number that he gave

was David Berkowitz's The Son of Sam.

Shut the fuck up.

That is the coolest part.

It's amazing.

So it's kind of like saying,

if you check my shit, go fuck yourself.

But no one ever did until after he left.

Yeah.

Okay, so- Holy shit, that's cool it's crazy so in this third the third job um someone at the third job finally looks into his background while he still works there and finds out that he is a person of interest in a missing persons case in california how did that guy feel when he saw that i mean probably nervous but stoked yeah excited and then hungry because it was right before who knows um so the greenwich police and the connecticut state police show up at this job with that day christopher chichester no sorry christopher crowe now christopher crowe didn't show up for work that day because he was on to them he knew but he called in to say he needed time off because his parents had been kidnapped in either pakistan or japan but just say you don't feel well well and also that's where your lives are getting a bit big yeah like pick one yeah it's pakistan yeah Or you have a hangover yeah or you're yeah you you broke one of your teeth and you're out for a couple of days but you're how about your bike husband um so he disappears from greenwich connecticut and he reappears in new york city in 1992 and where does he go where did john list go when he had to start all over in a new town the church church church church you show say with me church church you show up at church wow with your song and dance yeah and you have a built-in community of people who are going to trust you totally keep your eyes peeled churchies so he rolls up this is now when he is Your eyes peeled. Totally.
Keep your eyes peeled, churchies. So he rolls up.
This is now when he has become... Keep your eyes peeled, churchies.
I say that as if that's something that's important. This is now when he's become Clark Rockefeller.
So he's in New York City and he's introducing himself as a Rockefeller. That seems like something you'd want to introduce yourself anywhere but in New York City.
Well, but here's the thing. He knows the difference.
So he specifies to these people at this church that he is from the Percy Rockefeller side, not John D. John D.
is the one. He's crazy rich.
Percy still is super rich, but not John D. level.
So he always goes goes right under, you know, he goes in with the claim that's right. Believable enough.
Yeah. We're still talking millions of dollars, crazy old American blue blood money.
It's still would impress people like my mom. Oh, he's a Rockefeller.
My grandmother used to say like, she'd go pick that penny up off the floor. We're not the Rockeffellas totally that was like a total grandma saying yeah she also said a lot of racist stuff that i won't repeat so don't listen to her um she was a good person at heart it was just the times make america great again all right uh he claimed to have gone to yale like when he was 14.
He had a Yale scarf with the blue stripes.

He said he had one of the J boats from his grandparents, which was a classic 30s sailing yacht. Yeah, I do too.
Yeah, don't we all? So basically what he learned is that if you joined private clubs in a big city, and they're all like clubs no one's ever even heard of

the Lodos and stuff like that where i'm like oh yeah i'm clearly as working class as you can get will never be no no more close we'll never be asked to no and they're not going to ask us no i don't think so but this is where the vanderbilts and the whitneys and the roosevelts and the rockefers, they've all been socializing since the 1800s. So he learns the kind of language of private clubs and those people.
And then all of his lies become believable because he's speaking their language and saying the stupid shit that they all say to each other over cucumber sandwiches. What do they say, I wonder? It's all whispering about cash.
Yeah. Transactions trend words yeah transactions bonds bonds war bonds or bonds they're polio polo polo polo i meant polio i meant polio you meant the disease yeah because roosevelt had that yeah you got to talk about it right um where am i so oh sorry i lost my place and i'm hallucinating from the heat i'm so sorry no it's here there's nothing you can do so oh i was on the totally wrong page i tried to do that scrolling thing that I do.
All right, so. Okay, so he married, in 1995, he marries a woman that he met through St.
Thomas Church, this church that he went to. And she was a Harvard MBA who rose to be one of the youngest partners in history at McKinsey.
I don't know what that is. Law firm? Probably.
She had a $ two million dollar salary she was like a legendary businesswoman fuck man he meets her church um they hit it off and they get married he has a way with the ladies yeah um he explains to her that none of his family is going to be at the wedding because there had been an argument and uh he had disinvited all of them so he has no family there her flag but he marries into her family and they have a child named ray which i actually like that name for a girl ray ray r-e-i-g-h oh um that's cute he nicknamed her schnooks schnooks um which may have been something thurston how the third called his wife snooks yeah uh he'd insisted on raising her and educating her himself oh uh i would love to meet and talk to her oh my god she's the coolest um so anyway they ultimately get divorced and she the wife has to pay him

$800,000 god she's the coolest um so anyway they ultimately get divorced and she the wife has to pay him eight hundred thousand dollars in alimony and he won the the white there but she sorry she won the right to raise ray to in london so in 2008 a court supervised visit in boston rockefeller kidnaps ray oh no so she's seven years old um there he's meeting up with ray and the um court appointed like social worker basically and he runs up pushes that woman over grabs the little girl and jumps into a car and drives away um the the social worker actually ran after and grabbed on to the back bumper of the car for like a little bit trying to do something about it um but don't worry he was he lived for this little girl he just wanted her in his life he wasn't gonna harm her in any way i know that everyone in this documentary says it like they would never he worshipped her and and he he she was everything to him and they and he got caught two weeks later okay so the but there was he he had set up a new identity um in baltimore that's where he was going to become Chip Smith, a professional yacht captain and catamaran designer. But he got caught immediately.
He was in 2009, he was convicted and sentenced to four to five years for abducting his daughter and two to three years for the assault on the social worker who did get in uh injured by that suv that he had waiting but um we'll circle back around now because in 1994 um the new owners of the so huss's house in san marino were digging to build a new pool and they found two bodies deep deep underneath the ground in the backyard at the sohus's house and um it was the family members said the bones matched jonathan sohus's general description but he was adopted so they they They couldn't do a dna match um so she adopts this kid and he's this like great nerd and she loves him so much but she's kind of a loser and then he but then he finds love yeah in a six foot redhead and they're kind of this mismatched couple that are making it happen and then she thinks he just leaves her yes oh that's the saddest thing i've ever heard the the so forensic evidence showed that the victim who's jonathan had been struck in the head two times with a rounded blunt object then stabbed six times holy shit his body had been cut into three parts and the body parts had been put into book bags from the university of wisconsin and from usc where um chris clark all these people he had actually sat in on film classes never registered as a student but he used to go to usc and go to classes he just wasn't actually a student wow and so um that circumstantial evidence combined with the fact that he was arrested driving jonathan's truck in greenwich uh basically convicted him of murder um sorry they there was only one body buried in the backyard. They never found Linda.
Linda! What do you think she is? Well, the police suspect that Clark had an affair with Linda. Oh, no.
Because basically he, Clark thought he was in with DeeDee and thought that he was going to get her money and get the house and be in San Marino and like have his life. And then Jonathan and Linda were basically what were standing in the way of that.
And I think, and he thought, you know, I'll get, this is just this crazy old drunk lady. I'm going to get her to sign everything over to me and then I'm going to have the life I want.
And then Linda and Jonathanathan are just like you need to move out of here and

basically that's where it started so he the theory is that he tried to break them up as a couple and then he murdered jonathan so linda might be out in the world they think she's dead yeah she's dead yeah they just think that he brought the body somewhere else that's so sad i believe yeah he was charged with Jonathan's murder

and

the trial was in april 2013 and he was convicted of first degree murder uh and he's now in some weird jail and ironwood jail in blythe california wow can i see a photo of him yeah i want to see him a mug shot. It's so funny because when they talk about, like, that he's good looking and stuff, or that he had a way with the ladies.
Nope. Well.
Let's see. Is he hot? I mean, to each his own.
Oh, my God. He's, like, a nerd.
Well, and also, when you see him talking, it's even worse. He's got no mouth no mouth because he kind of talks like this it's like somebody in a bad like mustard commercial where you're like what why would you talk like that he looks like he is a character in the simpsons yeah like he's oh no where's his mouth he's just kind of um you know i'm sure he was insecure as a teen sure and all of all of that, plus being really smart, you know? Yeah.
Just made up for it. I don't see him being a ladies' man, but good for him.
It's all in the brains. Brains, brains.
Brains, brains, brains. Brains.
We should thank Steven. Yeah, thank you, Steven.
Our beautiful engineer who gave us microphones. Yeah, they're beautiful.
Thank you. They really are gorgeous.
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Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates? There are updates.
I recently listened to a podcast about this story. It was like one of those anthology podcasts.
It was like a bunch of, it was almost like, here's a bunch of rich crimes or whatever. And then it was this guy is like, he isn't really rich, but it is.
So I just recently kind of revisited this and it just like, God, this is, it's just insane. So after numerous denied appeals, Clark Rockefeller, quote unquote, was transferred to San Quentin in December of 2016.
And so he's there now. He stays busy painting and he's a journalist for the San Quentin News.
So with good time credits, he'll be eligible for parole in December of 2029. He'll be 68 years old if he gets paroled then.
And his daughter, Ray, has since changed her name and she lives a private life which is good for her how wild is it that both of the murderers in this story are in san quentin right now as we're speaking oh yeah do you think they fucking know each other i would think they do only because aren't the infamous killers like treated slightly differently?

Yeah, they're like held separately for some reason. Or get protection maybe if they might need it.
I don't know. Who knows? I definitely don't know.
But that's, yeah, that's crazy observation. It's so creepy.
Okay, so this episode was originally titled, as we have said many times, the fuck word murder mystery show. And if we were naming it today, which, you know, that's a classic name, what would we call it based on something we said in this episode? So the quietest girls on the podcast, because that's us, obviously us.
Yes, we're so quiet and demure. Excuse me, which is what Georgia, she's talking about saying a spoiler without warning, and it's like burping without saying excuse me before or after.
Which, if that's the case, we have burped and burped and burped, literally and figuratively, all the way through this show. We have never said spoiler alert before our burps, for sure.
I remember people getting mad about that and putting it on social media. Really? Oh, because of spoilers? Yeah, in the beginning.
Like, can you please say spoiler alert? And it's just like, yeah, no. Like, you have to, it's the standing spoiler alert.
We're going to ruin it for you. Right.
It's also like, okay, but did that air like five weeks ago? Like, what's the cutoff? It's not on us anymore. It's on you.
30 years ago. Oh, we're spoiling a rear window for you? I mean, I don't think.
I don't think so. Also, I basically have gone into lockdown until I see Nosferatu.
So that's the life I'm willing to live if I want a totally fresh experience. Yeah.
It's on you. Take some responsibility.
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