Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up

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Speaker 1 Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This, if you don't know, is our Wednesday episode.
It's new and we recap our old shows.

Speaker 1 We give you updates on them, new commentary from 10 years later.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, the whole thing. It's like a recap show, but you're doing it to yourself.
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Today we're revisiting episode 27, which is a really fun one.

Speaker 1 It's titled Your Hometown Murder Email Roundup. Who thought of that? What a great title.

Speaker 1 And this is the episode that paved the way for our mini-sodes where we tell you your hometowns, because guess what? They never stopped coming in. I mean, nine years.
Nine years. We love it.

Speaker 1 If you have one, send it to MyFavorite Murder at Gmail, not my personal email account that I gave out in the beginning of this show. Yeah, that's right.
What's your new email?

Speaker 1 My Favorite Murder at Gmail.

Speaker 1 This episode was originally released on Thursday, July 28th, 2016. So push your earbuds in a little deeper because now we can all be day one listeners.
Okay, here's the intro of episode 27.

Speaker 2 Hi, welcome to my favorite murderer. That's Karen.

Speaker 2 Let's start over. I hate that.
But we're leaving it in, but let's say let's start over. Okay.

Speaker 2 Let's start over. Welcome to my favorite murderer.
Welcome.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is so bad.

Speaker 2 It's just uncomfortable to start a podcast. I think anyone listening understands that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's uncomfortable to pretend while you're sitting in your friend's apartment that you suddenly have some kind of official

Speaker 2 as if we're on the radio. Well, you and I have been talking pretty mellow, mellowly

Speaker 2 in a mellow manner. 15 minutes.
That's we suddenly break in face to face into like newscaster voice is weird. Hey, Georgia.
Karen. What's up, girl? How are you?

Speaker 2 What's your murdery day been like? My day has been murderlicious.

Speaker 2 And then I just throw myself off a balcony. Let's start over.

Speaker 2 Welcome to my favorite murder, the podcast that answers the question, should you talk about murders?

Speaker 2 The answer is no.

Speaker 2 We already know the answer.

Speaker 2 Goodbye. Oh, I just murdered my toast.
What were you going to say? I was going to say that I watched two episodes of Marcella.

Speaker 2 You know, when it's like, I know one of them is wrong and I don't know which one. No, no, no.
I'm laughing because the people on the show say Marcella. Right.

Speaker 2 That's one of the things about it is it's like she keeps correcting them. Yeah.
I wasn't annoying.

Speaker 2 You did not like it? I need you to talk me through it. Well, if you didn't like it, you didn't like it.
I just really didn't. I thought

Speaker 2 she wasn't believing, it wasn't believable to me

Speaker 2 that she was so crazy. I'm not going to give anything away.
It's this British procedural crime drama. Yeah, we've talked about it.
I know, but maybe someone's new here.

Speaker 2 Oh, true, true, true, true, true, true, true. Are you new? Are you new? Are you new?

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know. I just liked it.
But also, I really do like, as long as it's new and British. Yeah, you specifically like those.
I really do. I think they do crime procedurals great.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that I am less

Speaker 2 interested.

Speaker 2 You don't like drama per se. Slow.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're very slow. I don't like slow and that I don't like, I can't understand your accent half the time.
So I'm not following. And also you're driving on the wrong side of the road.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 And why are you drinking tea like seven times a day? In addition, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 Let's vow to never do those voices again. Oh my God, never.
Except for our real voices, which sound a lot like that,

Speaker 2 which we don't want to admit actually sound exactly. Sound kind of exact.

Speaker 2 I will recommend this, although it is off-topic of the direct murder topic.

Speaker 2 I've been watching Stranger Things, which is going to bring it up. Really? Love it.
Two episodes in. Love it.
So good. Love it.
And as a person who grew up in the 80s, like those houses,

Speaker 2 it's a new Netflix series. If you haven't seen it called Stranger Things, it's very popular.
People are loving it. Winona Ryder.

Speaker 2 Very proud to see her there. Hometown girl, Winona Ryder.
And it's so good. She's great.

Speaker 2 It's really fun. But that, like the friend Barb, the first time the main girl's friend Barb from

Speaker 2 the best. Barb is the best and Barb's hair, glasses, and clothes to a person today, you're like, what the fuck? That's exactly what everybody looked like.

Speaker 2 She could not be more on point, the on-pointiest point person. In the 80s, young girls dressed like they were doing a middle-aged secretary cosplay.

Speaker 2 And I don't know why. It's like we didn't have a choice.
I've had divorced mother of three

Speaker 2 cosplay. My friend Heidi Lily, God rest her soul, had a pair of glasses that were tinted pink on the bottom and blue on the top in seventh grade.
So it looked like she was wearing blush and eyeshadow.

Speaker 2 And I was obsessed with them. You know what's so weird is you can tell, you can tell how they got hot.

Speaker 2 Yes. You know what I mean? Yes.
Like you can tell how then later in the 80s, early 90s, maybe in their early 40s, they suddenly got super hot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But they, but then they show the dude that they're dating or the lady they're dating their photo from high school. And you're all like, what the fuck? Yeah.
But I did, I do want her clothes.

Speaker 2 Like, that's my style. Yes, that's right.
A nice high-neck, like a ruffle-neck hauler blouse made of polyester. There were a lot of like matching vests.
They all look in the early 80s.

Speaker 2 They all look like they have too many layers on. Yes.
Anyway, there were tons of layers. That show is great.
It's a great show. Watch that.

Speaker 2 And I'm sure there's somebody out there that's watched the whole thing thing and gone, you're a day late and a dollar short. Good.

Speaker 2 Fair play. I don't think it's fair.
I think it's unfair that we can talk about it. And I'm like super excited about it.
And other people are like, I finished it.

Speaker 2 And I have so many questions about like, you know, like, who's this? Who's that? What happened here? What happened there? Because you haven't finished it? Yeah. Yeah.
The kid without teeth. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Love him. He's, he's a spin-off in and of himself.
Oh, my God. He's a great actor.
You know what I love about that? Is the opening credits. Yes.

Speaker 2 They could not be more 80s they're so dead on they're so not unsolved mysteries but what was the other one

Speaker 2 um the um like imaginary stories or someone's yelling it at home and i know they are yeah what it's not

Speaker 2 it was like creepy stories

Speaker 2 not

Speaker 2 tales from the crypt no but it was like that creepy stories creepy stories I don't know. Anyway, it's great.

Speaker 1 I love how dated this is that we're talking about the first season of Stranger Things.

Speaker 1 First season. That was an epic season, first season.
Well, I mean, like, it's the reason it got so big and it is what it is is because, like, man, it was just like, I want to be looking at this.

Speaker 1 It's such a good idea. It felt good.
It was good. The sweaters were great.
And Winona Ryder coming

Speaker 1 hometown hero. Oh, yeah, that's right.
She's your hometown girl. Yeah, she is.
Love her. This is really funny.
We talk about a Rolling Stone article that ran about us.

Speaker 1 Isn't it crazy that 26 episodes in, we had a rolling, we were in Rolling Stone. Like, I remember feeling elated.
Like, I read Rolling Stone as a kid. Oh, yeah.
I was obsessed.

Speaker 1 And that was such a moment for me. Yeah, I bet.
You know, I'm sure I was like, ooh, this seems like a bad idea.

Speaker 1 But what's crazy is Aaron Brown,

Speaker 1 who helps us produce these rewind episodes and works on them a lot. And of course, Allison,

Speaker 1 they tried to find this article. They cannot find it.

Speaker 1 They're like, we don't understand, but it's not online. Like we need someone to search it.
Things don't disappear from the internet.

Speaker 1 So what we're thinking is, hey, if you, listener, can find this article we're talking about in this episode and you write in and show it to us. you will win a free sweatshirt of your choosing.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love that. Right.
From us, though, not like Land's End or whatever. Oh, no, it's going to be one of my old sweatshirts.
So I was going to choose one of Karen's old sweatshirts.

Speaker 1 I have one that says sardines on the front of it. That's pretty cool.
I cut the bottom off. That's so Gen Z of you.
Right. I'm trying to get in there with the 20-year-olds.
I think it'll work great.

Speaker 1 It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get into the episode. This is really cool because we had the idea to read Hometowns, which is now a fucking legendary Monday episode.
Oh my God. Where we just read your hometowns.

Speaker 1 If you guys like skip those somehow, you are missing out on some of those beautiful stories.

Speaker 1 Beautiful, terrifying, heartwarming, hilarious, weird fucking stories. It's become its own monster.
The mini sodes are a joy.

Speaker 1 And I think sometimes people are like, oh no, I'm just a hardcore true crime listener.

Speaker 1 And it's like, yeah, but this is adjacent in the perfect way where it starts out as people telling their hometowns, but then we got people to kind of tell us stories about their grandma and about this and about that.

Speaker 1 And now it is just good stories. Yeah.
And I think it's also, I hear from people saying, I don't like true crime, so I only listen to the mini sod. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's kind of great for like your mom on a road trip or something like that. Right.
You know, or like my sister who has never listened to one episode of this podcast. Perfect.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So let's kick this off. In this hometown, Karen reads a story from a listener named Charlotte.

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Speaker 2 Let's start. Okay.
Start the podcast. Well, you know what we're going to do this week, everybody.
Skippers, come back. Very special episode.

Speaker 2 Today's a very special episode because we have a Gmail inbox

Speaker 2 filled with hundreds of hometown murders. Hundreds.
Hundreds. Hundreds.
So we decided we're going to dig in as we have been promising to do for a long time and just start reading some of them.

Speaker 2 So this is a long form hometown murder episode. And it's good because there's a lot of good murders in there.
We're just going to, you're just going to get a bunch of minis

Speaker 2 at once for your buck.

Speaker 2 And we absolutely didn't text each other this morning and say, I can't, I don't have time to find a murder.

Speaker 2 I can't do this homework. I have a job today for one day of my life.
It's 100 degrees outside. I can't be expected to look on Wikipedia for 10 minutes and find our murder.
Oh, no.

Speaker 2 What about all the people who are finding us? And this is their first episode they listen to. Guys, hang in there.
Don't give up. Yeah.
Start from the beginning. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Start from the beginning and then let the love build a little bit before you get to this kind of,

Speaker 2 what is this, episode 27? 27. Yeah.
Last was 26, 6, 6. Yeah, that's right.
27. That's weird.
It's just weird.

Speaker 2 I like that we always know what episode, how many episodes we've done based on just because that's what we call them. Yeah, that's right.
So, I got a bunch.

Speaker 2 So, people, people who start the podcast from the beginning don't know that. And we didn't have a my favorite murder Gmail then.
Right.

Speaker 2 So, there's, they send them to my email address. So, you don't see them.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 These are your private hometown markets. Yeah, which I know that they are not deep into the podcast when they send that send them to my account, but I also hide them from you.
So, we're good. Okay.

Speaker 2 I like you. I like to have secrets.
You know that about me. We love secrets.
We love them. Do you, why don't you start?

Speaker 2 Someone said someone on the facebook page was like i love the way you guys don't know who's supposed to go first you're so off every week yes when i'm like it's your

Speaker 2 start yeah we're never right you're never right guys as much as we love doing this podcast it's not like we're that interested there was a great there was a Rolling Stone article.

Speaker 2 Thank you very much, Rolling Stone. Oh, that's right.
That said, like, they're not big on facts. There's a, they say themselves, there's a reason they're in the comedy category.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but hey, guess what, Rolling stone you can you can

Speaker 2 throw stones at glass houses all you want but you spelled my name right at the top of the article and misspelled it in the middle so guess what you can go fuck yourself yeah go fuck we we were way off when we started this podcast by two people who have very complicated for some reason class names yeah very uh compound

Speaker 2 words that everyone uses on a regular goddamn basis and yet they just don't go next to each other according to everyone in the fucking world and i understand mine are the combinations of ours.

Speaker 2 It's a question that no one's ever gotten. But you see it once and you read it and you're like, that's how you read it.

Speaker 2 Well, if you're a copy editor and you check it once, you better get the second one.

Speaker 2 They never got covered by Rolling Stone.

Speaker 2 That's called biting the hand that feeds you.

Speaker 2 That's how this is how I do it.

Speaker 2 All right. My first hometown murder is from someone named Charlotte.
And she says, hi, Georgia and Karen. I absolutely love the show.

Speaker 2 I have told my sister about your podcast, and she is now a huge fan also. Thank you.
Thank you. If you have a sister and you haven't told her yet,

Speaker 2 come on. It'll bring you guys together.
Yeah. Instead of being mad at her for throwing a Power B at your head when you were six, Lee,

Speaker 2 Lee Hardstar, Lee Hardstar, that's going out to you. Man, everything's fine.
Instead of being mad at her for

Speaker 2 chasing you down the hallway and beating you with a brush, Laura Kilgareth, all my life.

Speaker 2 She had our sisters do an episode one week. My sister does not listen to this.
And every time she's like, people keep telling me, like, she went to her high school reunion.

Speaker 2 She's like, oh my God, people were telling me they like your podcast. I don't even understand what you're doing.
Like, she brings a level of disdain to everything.

Speaker 2 If they can't, if your family can't watch it on TV and see your name on television, they don't think you're succeeding. Yeah, it doesn't.
It doesn't count. No.
I'll leave it.

Speaker 2 Whatever you guys who listen and love, hopefully. Thanks, guys.
Or listen and judge. I'll take anything.
Love and judge. Same thing.
Whatever. All right.

Speaker 2 So she said, many of the things you say are thoughts I have, but nobody,

Speaker 2 but nobody to really tell them to. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That would understand in parentheses. So when I first listened to your podcast, I was like, oh my God, there are others out there.
That's exactly right, Charlotte.

Speaker 2 I grew up in a small town of about 4,200 south of Kansas City, Missouri. My sister babysat for a wonderful family.
And when she went to college, I then filled in for her.

Speaker 2 So this would have been in 1979 or 1980. I was 13 or 14 years old.
Oh, she'd like stranger things. That's her jam.

Speaker 2 Sometimes my mom would come over and visit while I was babysitting, just swing by and say hi, chat for a bit. This particular night, my mom came over.

Speaker 2 And by the time she left to go home, it was dark around 10.30 or so.

Speaker 2 I thought I heard a car door, and thinking it was the couple I was babysitting for, I went and turned the front porch light on for them.

Speaker 2 They didn't come in, and so I thought, okay, I guess that was just another car in the neighborhood. It was around 11.30 or 12 when I got home and the husband of the couple took me home.

Speaker 2 Around 2 a.m., my dad. Now that's creepy.
No, that's creepy.

Speaker 2 Around 2 a.m., my dad comes in my room and wakes me up and says that there are two high rate patrol officers downstairs and they want to talk to me.

Speaker 2 What the thoughts. George's eyes are as wide as they possibly could be and she looks legitimately scared.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 My first thought was, oh my God, something happened to one of the kids in their sleep or something like that.

Speaker 2 They told us that the next door neighbor, Lyle Norman, and then in parentheses, is it okay to give names? Yes. But yes, because, yes.

Speaker 2 Because this is now a case.

Speaker 2 The next door neighbor, Lyle Norman, of the house I was babysitting at, she means next door to the house she was babysitting at, had just been murdered in his house at the same time I was babysitting next door.

Speaker 2 That wasn't a car door. And asked if I heard or saw anything strange.

Speaker 2 Come to find out the man, Lyle, had just been on a cruise and stopped by a bar or casino or something and picked up a guy and brought him home. Sorry trying to type this with two cats.

Speaker 2 rancing back and forth on my computer. I get it.
All right. It doesn't.
Anyway, this guy stabbed Lyle, killing him and probably robbed him.

Speaker 2 And they think he left around the 10.30-ish time when I heard the car door, thinking it was the couple I was babysitting for when I turned turned the front lord. Why?

Speaker 2 I'm really glad I didn't go outside and see if it was the couple or not. And I was just so thankful my mom hadn't run into the crazy guy when she went out to her car and that the kids were okay.

Speaker 2 That was so sad to hear Lyle been murdered. I think they ended up catching the guy.
But if you search Lyle Mormon Butler, Missouri, the story should pop up. That's a murderer's name.

Speaker 2 No, wait. No,

Speaker 2 he's the victim. Anyways, that's what I meant.
It sounds like a victim.

Speaker 2 And then she's got a second one. You want me to to read it?

Speaker 2 I don't, yes. One other quick story.
My husband at the time and I and my daughter lived out in the country in an old house in an area where a battle occurred during the Civil War time.

Speaker 2 And my husband worked nights. So I let my daughter sleep with me in the middle of the night.
I hear one of her music boxes fucking playing. That's what she wrote.

Speaker 2 Fucking playing. It had been played long enough that it woke me up.
And I was a pretty heavy sleeper back then. I'm flipping out, but laid really still in case it was someone robbing us or something.

Speaker 2 But then I thought, why would somebody wind up a music box? A minute or two later, I hear something fall on the ground in the other room. I laid awake forever.

Speaker 2 Didn't want to leave my daughter alone in bed and had my hand on this heavy lamp in case I needed it to protect me and she with it.

Speaker 2 The next morning, I slowly walk into the next room where there's a sturdy coat rack that had a shelf above it that had books and heavy flower pot on it. The books were on the ground.

Speaker 2 The flower pot was still on the shelf. No.
There wasn't any way the cat could have gotten on the shelf. Then I go to my daughter's bedroom and see where her music boxes were.

Speaker 2 They were all on a shelf that went along one wall, and the shelf was up near the ceiling, and an adult could reach it with a chair, but she couldn't have reached it and hadn't played with them in forever.

Speaker 2 Then we find a piece of raw chicken on a paper plate on the kitchen counter, and none of us put it there.

Speaker 2 No. I'm going to say, ghost.
A friend built a house down the road years later and said they walked in their living room one evening and an old woman was sitting in a rocking chair. Goodbye, Karen.

Speaker 2 It was knowing you. No doubt the area is haunted.
Raw chicken, though. That's like, that suddenly took a turn for the baby.
Yeah, raw chicken is, yeah. I'm not, maybe it was a cat.

Speaker 2 Maybe it was a really, really, really smart cat that loved music. Do you know?

Speaker 2 Well, go on, sorry. Oh, she just ends it by saying, last crazy thing.
If you Google people in the 1800s posing with dead bodies, holy shit, that's fucked up. Anyway, take care.
Stay safe.

Speaker 2 Thanks for letting me share. Charlotte.
She's good. Good job, Charlotte.
Did I ever tell you? So I totally don't believe in ghosts. If they exist, fine.
I'm not going to argue it.

Speaker 2 But when I was a little kid, I was in bed. I had insomnia.
It was like, I woke up like three in the morning.

Speaker 2 I was lying there in bed and I saw, and we had like a, um, we had like a closet that like on roller doors. Yes.
And one just opened. One of the closets just opened.

Speaker 2 While you were lying there looking at it. And we didn't have cats yet because my parents were still married and that wasn't a thing.

Speaker 2 So like I just got all the courage in my life and ran to my parents' room. But I totally saw the, I saw it open.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back.

Speaker 1 No updates on Charlotte's story. Charlotte, if you're listening, that's on you.
You should have dropped us a line.

Speaker 1 Keep us posted now if you have anything else to tell us about your story. We need updates.
But thank you, Charlotte, because you were one of the early people that were like, oh, you want a story?

Speaker 1 I'll take some time and send it in. This is exactly what you want.
You heard a sound. It meant nothing at the time.
And then it turned out it meant fucking everything. And here's the story behind it.

Speaker 1 Like that is exactly what we want. Yeah.
Any sound stories? What does a sound mean?

Speaker 1 Okay, now here's George's first hometown from Samantha M.

Speaker 2 Okay, now you go. Okay.
I'm going to start. I'm going to, here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to start.

Speaker 2 I'm going to start mellow to keep you motherfuckers to stay around because sometimes I'll read, I'll like tune into these podcasts.

Speaker 2 It's like a listener shit, and I'm like, oh, this is gonna be boring. I came here to listen to you guys talk.
Right. So, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go slow.

Speaker 2 So, wait, so you're starting, you're in the fear that people will think it's boring, you're starting mellow. Is that

Speaker 2 just me? You want to you want to catch them, and they're all good. Okay, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start good.
I'm not questioning you, I'm just clarifying. You are, but you are correct.

Speaker 2 Okay, okay, okay. I just want to say that it's correct.
So, Samantha M says, so I have one of the creepiest hometown murder stories. At first, it never occurred to me.

Speaker 2 Then I remembered this horrible quadruple murder that happened while growing up. I went to

Speaker 2 elementary junior and high school with these identical twins.

Speaker 2 They were a grade older than me, so I never had a class with them, but it wouldn't. have mattered anyway.

Speaker 2 They didn't associate with anyone from school, didn't go to parties, weren't allowed to go to dances, and didn't even speak to anyone besides each other. Ew.

Speaker 2 they ate lunch alone at a table to themselves identical twins identical twins they were of middle eastern descent so i assume their parents were simply strict the odd thing about them however is that they dressed and this is in all caps identical every single day the entire time i knew them

Speaker 2 this beginning from kindergarten to graduation And when I say identical, I mean everything from their hair breasts to their watches, socks, and shoes matched. Never missed a day.

Speaker 2 We know where this is going. It was a golden retriever.

Speaker 2 They were both glue retrievers.

Speaker 2 You know, golden retrievers love to match. It was two golden retrievers on each other's shoulders with a trench coat.

Speaker 2 Anyways, we all graduated, never saw them again. Their parents were very wealthy.
They lived in this gated community in the mansions of San Clemente. That's Orange County, where I'm from.

Speaker 2 Very rich people, where their mom's best friend lives.

Speaker 2 I actually, where my mom's best friend lives. I actually did my pictures for my wedding and got ready at her house, the mom's house, because it's so beautiful and overlooks the ocean.

Speaker 2 The girls were still living at home and attending college when this happened.

Speaker 2 Family members approached police saying that they hadn't heard from the girls and their parents for a while and it was unusual.

Speaker 2 The police did a perimeter search and stated that maybe they had gone on vacation. Yeah, wrong.

Speaker 2 Per protocol, they were not allowed to break in yet. The next week, the family pestered the police again, stating that this was highly unusual for them not to let anyone know they had left.

Speaker 2 i believe it was two or more perimeter checks before police finally broke in at which time the smell was so bad that they had to have people come in with scuba masks oh no the bodies were so badly decomposed it took a while to find the cause of death but they were able to determine that the entire family was wearing black no evidence of a struggle was present the girls were lying next to each other in bed the grandmother was on a lounge chair and the parents were in their closet.

Speaker 2 Eventually they determined the girls and grandmother died of a prescription drug overdose.

Speaker 2 And the parents went in the closet where their mother shot the husband, where the mother shot the husband and then killed herself. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 The whole thing was super creepy and made me realize how you never really know what goes on in a person's life behind closed doors.

Speaker 2 I feel bad for what kind of lives these girls must have had in spite of their outward facade of money and privilege. Hope to hear more of you guys.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Samantha. That's so sad.
Samantha, that's intense. Although I have to say, I understand what she means by saying you never know what goes on behind closed doors.

Speaker 2 But I think you had a slight indication with people who dressed exactly like each other from kindergarten to through high school.

Speaker 2 And if I had twins, one of their heads would be shaved their entire life done together. That's the way they would never cut their hair.
That's a good idea. Right? Maybe you're not the girl.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then they'd psychologically be fine from then on out.

Speaker 2 If you scar them early, nothing else can hurt them. Right.
Cause they don't know any different. Oh, that's scarred.
It was like a mini heaven's gate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's so intense. It is weird.

Speaker 2 You know, and you think, I do this a lot, or I think back to kids I went to elementary school with, and I'm like, oh, man, I bet you had some fucking, like your shit was real fucked up.

Speaker 2 And you, I just thank God that I was so ignorant. Yeah.
And just, I thought, well, back then, I thought everyone had the life I had. I remember asking my teacher, our

Speaker 2 Ellen Lesher, who was my grammar school teacher and family friend. So sad, I, she put me to bed one night when she was over having dinner with my parents.
And I wanted her to come and tuck me in.

Speaker 2 And so she said, do you like, she asked me if I had any question. I could ask, she told me I could ask her anything.
She did an AMA with me. She did an analog AMA.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 And I asked her, I said, there's a little girl in my class. Let's just say her name was Sarah Jane.

Speaker 2 And I said, why is sarah jane's face always dirty and i was saying it like because i thought you know she was going to give me some answer and she said because she doesn't have anybody to clean it for her and as a fourth grader i i just started crying in my bed i had no idea i had no idea that anybody would live that way no and that i mean that's how intensely privileged and totally like and um you know shelter

Speaker 2 yes i know that robert this kid in my class like everyone made fun of him because he smelled bad and wore the same clothes all the time.

Speaker 2 And now I'm like, oh, your mom was a hoarder and couldn't have her. Like, I clearly understand now.
Yeah. Like,

Speaker 2 it wasn't your fucking choice to be like that. And you got made fun of.
And that's, I hope he's okay. Well, that's yeah.
And kids don't have a choice. Like, that's, that's the one good thing.

Speaker 2 I always make jokes about, like, we need to bring bullying back, but I am totally joking. Uh,

Speaker 2 in that way, that, like, kids don't, kids get attacked

Speaker 2 by other kids for things that they, that are not their fault yeah and it really sucks because it's a thing they're already suffering by yeah um i got it i got it and i did it to other people like as much as i want to be like i was a nerd and made fun of a lot like well i deflected my my shit by making fun of other people like i wasn't better than the popular kids making fun of me like Then you shouldn't have a podcast.

Speaker 2 Well, no, I was, I, same here. And that's because it's mob rules.
You don't want to be the target. You have to make sure someone else stays the target.
So it's not you.

Speaker 2 I wish I was like Matilda or like those kids in movies where you're like, they stand up for kids who are underdogs and make friends with them. And it's like, no, I was kind of a dick, too.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's the majority of people, I think. All we can do now is have a great podcast.
That's the only

Speaker 2 podcast to the world.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, this one was so sad

Speaker 1 and heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 And so true about not knowing what goes on behind closed doors in people's lives, no matter what facade they put up, you just never know. Yeah, it's, um, I mean, I was just thinking, it's bad.

Speaker 1 It may get worse on this next one that we go into. Okay, this is Karen's second hometown from Tarissa.

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Speaker 2 Goodbye.

Speaker 2 Okay, Karen, you go. Tarissa sent us this.
It says, Hello, ladies. I started listening.
I have very sibilant S's. I've noticed this lately on the podcast.
You went in the where? This is not closer.

Speaker 2 This is me talking. My S's are very sharp.
S? Is it because mine are soft?

Speaker 2 No, no, I think it's because my teeth are floating and moving around in my mouth. That's a crazy thing.
So there's some kind of, like, I keep. Anyway,

Speaker 2 there's, there's a new level corner. There's a new level of self-consciousness.
Oh, for sure. That I need to get rid of.
Because who gives a fuck? Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 It's just you and I. I know.
Nobody listened. It's just you and I.
And my asses. Hello, ladies.

Speaker 2 I just started listening to your podcast this week, and I haven't gotten all the way through the episodes yet. So I hope this isn't a duplicate.
So do I, Clarissa.

Speaker 2 Anyway, I have not one, but two hometown murders for you. The first one is just plain horrifying.

Speaker 2 It happened in a house that is almost directly across the street from me, and the killer was Megan Huntsman. She has been charged with killing and hiding six newborn babies in her garage.
Oh, fuck.

Speaker 2 Somehow, and I'm still trying to figure this out, she managed to hide seven pregnancies over a decade.

Speaker 2 She never went to the hospital. No one knew what was going on.
Apparently, she would give birth, strangle, or suffocate the baby, wrap bodies in garbage bags, store the box in her garage.

Speaker 2 She left the corpses when she moved away.

Speaker 2 The police found seven dead babies, but only six had been murdered. The last one was born, stillborn.

Speaker 2 Her husband is the one who found the corpses. Oh, he didn't even know two?

Speaker 2 He had spent eight years in prison for drugs. And when he got out, he went to the house to clear it out and get ready for the rent, get it ready for rental.

Speaker 2 And he said the garbage smelled, garage smelled horrible. And he had a friend help him clean out the garage to figure out where the smell was coming from.

Speaker 2 What I don't get is the fact that that he was there in the house with her during the times those babies were born and subsequently murdered.

Speaker 2 Well, it doesn't sound like he was if he was in jail in prison for eight years. Whose babies were they? Well, yeah, I mean, that might be why she had to kill them.
But Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 He claims he had no idea she was pregnant or had babies, and the police decided not to charge him with anything. She pled guilty to six counts of murder and has been sentenced to life in prison.

Speaker 2 She has three surviving children. Oh, no.
Oh, that's the scariest thing I ever read. Intense therapy immediately.
And claimed she was too addicted to meth to take care of more.

Speaker 2 Isn't it funny how many, like

Speaker 2 fucking together people are trying so hard to have a goddamn baby and then these fucking people who have meth and kill the babies? Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 Six in a row. Anyway, that's my hometown murder story.
Hope you enjoyed it. Thanks, Clarissa.
Bye. I'm sorry.
I keep saying Clarissa. It's Charissa.
Charissa with an H.

Speaker 2 That was intense.

Speaker 2 That was crazy.

Speaker 2 Do you know anyone who ever she didn't include two stories? It was just one. That's enough.
We love you, Teresa.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates on this case?

Speaker 1 There actually is one. Megan Huntsman's first parole hearing is slated for April of 2064.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Wow. So I guess keep an eye here.
Yeah. Watch the space.
Sure. We're going to be so old.
Okay, so now we're going to do some back-to-backs.

Speaker 1 Georgia's going to tell Leonard's hometown about the killer dentist, and then I tell Cody's hometown.

Speaker 2 All right. This is from Leonard.
Leonard. What's up, Leonard? So, my hometown murder story happened in my high school days.

Speaker 2 I was coming home from a basketball practice later than I normally would have.

Speaker 2 And as I came to the corner to walk to my block, I see half a dozen cop cars surrounding my best friend's house. Lights are flashing everywhere.

Speaker 2 And I see my friend in the back of one car, his brother in another car. I'm assuming he needs cop cars.

Speaker 2 And on the stairs leading up to the house, on the opposite corner, a female body not fucking moving. I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 So later, I come to find out that my friend's dad eventually got, evidently, got into an argument with his wife and began, all caps, stabbing her over and over.

Speaker 2 My friend was home and tried to save her and fought off his father.

Speaker 2 I repeat, fought off his father after stabbing his mother, and he took off in his car and escaped.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, the mom is still fucking alive and gets out of the house and staggers to the neighbor's house, but collapses before reaching the door and all caps dies,

Speaker 2 dies at the neighbor's stairs. Jesus.
So, yeah, first and only time seeing a dead body, not at a funeral.

Speaker 2 So, my friend and his brother eventually get cleared and released, and the media picks up on the murder and calls him the killer dentist. And then he says, Guess what his job was.

Speaker 2 And he's a fugitive for like three to four days. So dad is fucking gone.
Then news breaks that he was found in the next date over, committed suicide in a motel and left a note. Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Memory is fuzzy, but he and his wife were separating and he had been sleeping on the couch for some time.

Speaker 2 And what I clearly remember, though, was me, my friend, and his dad's soon-to-be-murdered murderer eating at fucking Chili's like a week before it went down.

Speaker 2 And to be a goddamn cliche, I honestly did not see it coming. He was the nicest guy, etc., etc.
Oh man, he wrote, etc., etc.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, Fren and his brother moved to Florida to live with extended family, and it's nearly a decade before they move back home. That story was legit true.
Feel free to check it out.

Speaker 2 Late 90s, early 2000s. Leonard, I believe you.
I'd love to know what you guys, what you think, even if you don't read it on your show. Exclamation mark.
Well, guess what, Leonard?

Speaker 2 But if you do, give me a heads up. I'm weird, and I'm listening to your old shows from episode one on.
Again, thanks to reading and Don't Get Murdered. Wow.
Thanks, Leonard.

Speaker 2 Leonard sat at Chili's with a fucking murder. I didn't know what he ate.
Is that weird? Well, Bloom and Onion, is that there?

Speaker 2 Is Bloom and Onion out back steakhouse? Well, because that reminds me the

Speaker 2 dentist, the killer dentist. Guess what? His guess what his professional

Speaker 2 is. One of us.
Oh, this is a good one. Okay.
This is from Cody.

Speaker 2 And the title, the subject line line is all the way from Australia.

Speaker 2 Hello. Hello, Governor.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 on there. Sorry.
Sorry there, Cody.

Speaker 2 Hi, ladies. Hey, ladies.
I love your podcast. In Australia, during the 60s, we had a lot of child murders.
Australia is legit with murders. I said that to someone recently that was from Australia.

Speaker 2 I was like, you guys have a lot of great murders. And they were like, what? They were like, goodbye.
Bye.

Speaker 2 On the day Neil Armstrong took a step on the moon.

Speaker 2 Well, the TV aired a man walking on the moon. Could be a sound studio, could be real life.
I'm not making any claims. This is not that podcast.
Awesome.

Speaker 2 Two children, Shane Spiller and Yvonne Touhey, went on a picnic. A man jumped out, grabbed Touhe.
Spiller was able to fight him off with a hatchet and run away to get help. Why did he have a hatchet?

Speaker 2 They were on an axe picnic. I don't know.

Speaker 2 He was able to describe the car and a navel sticker on the car. It was too late, though, as they had found Tui's body horrifically murdered.

Speaker 2 The cops then drove to the naval base with Spiller in the car, and Spiller ID'd the car. The police entered the naval base and found Derek Percy literally red-handed, washing his bloody clothes.

Speaker 2 This guy is linked to multiple child murders, and he is considered one of Australia's worst serial killers.

Speaker 2 Derek Percy. Gotta look him up.
D-E-R-E-C-K.

Speaker 2 Anywho, flash forward to 2002. State line.

Speaker 2 And thousands of kilometers away, whatever that means,

Speaker 2 thousands of kilometers away, Spiller had been living close to my home in a very small, close-knit community for ages. Then, and he then suddenly disappeared in 2002.
It's not been heard of since.

Speaker 2 And this is the witness. That it's the survivor of those two.
Two children. Fucked up.
Yeah. And he probably just got discovered there and was like, see you later.
Bye.

Speaker 2 Google search Derek Percy. He is linked to so many child murders.
Most notably, he had a notebook

Speaker 2 with the beach that the three Beaumont siblings went missing at Circle. I've always wanted to do the Beaumont siblings, but it's so, it goes nowhere.
It goes nowhere.

Speaker 2 It's three kids who walk to the beach very close to their house, something they did all the time. And it was in the 70s, right? But they were seen talking to like a young surfer guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then they dissed fucking off the the face of the earth and never heard from no trace. Three of them.
Like three. There was a girl and two boys.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 I think it was, there was a girl and there were boys. I don't know.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2 I had the same exact feeling about that case where I, I think

Speaker 2 that podcast that has a girl and two guys. Oh, not generation.
I always think it's generation Y, but it's

Speaker 2 shoot. Fuck.

Speaker 2 I think they're out of Portland. They did a really good one.
Yeah. On this, I'm pretty sure.
Anyway, sorry, guys. I feel like we need to look this up to like give them a shout out.

Speaker 2 It's like, what in the, what do you know? It's like a question phrase.

Speaker 2 And that's why I think it's Generation Y all the time, but it's not. I'll read the rest of this while you look that up.

Speaker 2 Also, it came out that his mother is an upstanding citizen who destroyed evidence for him. Oh, that mother and son bond.
Cute. Parentheses.
Fuck, fucking douchebag. Love you guys.
P.S.

Speaker 2 Yes, I'm a girl, even though my name sounds like a dude's name. Thank you, dude.
Cody, that was an awesome email. Very awesome.
Very awesome. I love that.
Derek, I'm looking up Derek Percy.

Speaker 2 I'm looking up. That's a really good one.
I'm looking at. I'm here I am looking at things.
Here I am. Here I am.

Speaker 2 Son of a cunt. What is it? Son of a cunt.
That's a new one.

Speaker 2 Everyone's yelling it at home and I'm so sorry. You know what? We'll find it by the end.
Okay. What if we do that way? We'll Instagram it.
Yes.

Speaker 2 So you read yours and then i'll i'll change it's your turn karen yeah no no i just read it i just read it maybe it's your turn to look oh ignore me

Speaker 2 no i was just

Speaker 2 i'm drinking too much boujolet it's your turn

Speaker 1 okay we're back i don't know how we have not covered this murderer yet. Like, we need to do this one.
I know.

Speaker 1 There's been a couple of these where I'm like looking back where I'm like, oh, can't we just pull things out of old episodes where we were like talking about it once and then putting it aside?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's two in this episode that I'm like, please meet Thora Christensen that's coming up. We need to do that one too.
I did it. Well, then there you go.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, it's funny is I was looking at that and I was like, that seems familiar. I did it on my favorite weekend when we were in Santa Barbara.
That makes complete sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it was a Soul Vang murder. Okay.
Yeah. If it was live, that means I don't remember a moment from that because the adrenaline was just like so high.

Speaker 1 But remember how fun that my favorite weekend was?

Speaker 1 It was the coolest. Like, that was the coolest.
It felt so chill. Yeah.
Just like we were hanging out with friends. Yeah.
All our friends who agreed to come and take buses everywhere

Speaker 1 to get from place to place. Oh, the podcast we were trying to think of during that episode is called Thinking Sideways.

Speaker 1 It ended in 2019, but their catalog is still up, and you can listen to their episode on the Beaumont children, which, yeah, like we have to do that story. It's fascinating.
Yeah. Okay, here's next up.

Speaker 1 George is going to tell Angie's hometown.

Speaker 2 All right. It really does.

Speaker 2 I'm going to do a long one. Okay.

Speaker 2 This is from Angie.

Speaker 2 She says, in my hometown, when I was 16, there was an entire family murdered by this 17-year-old son. He went to my high school, rode the bus with me when he went to my neighbor's house.

Speaker 2 Neighbor is loose where I'm from, from country. He lives about two miles away.
And the sister he murdered used to hang out in the quote band hallway every day, which is why I knew her.

Speaker 2 My mom was a cop for the city of Grand Rapids, Grand Rapids, and on her way home that night, she came upon the murder and called me to see if I knew anyone who lived in the house.

Speaker 2 It was about four miles away from our home and on a very busy road. The murder wasn't in her jurisdiction, but she was a prominent police officer and knew county officers who were.

Speaker 2 She stopped to help. Naturally, she wouldn't tell me any of the details because she fiercely protected her daughters from the horrible things she saw

Speaker 2 that they desperately wanted to know about.

Speaker 2 Upon reflection, maybe this is why I became obsessed with true crime.

Speaker 2 Lucky for me, I lived in a small enough town that rumors spread and details leaked out about the murders from other people who knew the cops that worked the case. The story goes like this: John

Speaker 2 Seasling, 17 years old, got into a fight with his mother and his sister, Caitlin, 14.

Speaker 2 He claims he blacked out, and when he woke up, they were all murdered, including his eight-year-old sister in her bed. And he was covered in blood.

Speaker 2 He called the police and said that, oh, geez, here we go. He said, two black guys robbed them and murdered his family, but he was able to get away.
And then

Speaker 2 she writes, those, those pesky black guys, always committing those mass murders. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, come the fuck on. Then he confessed to the killings once the police arrived.
However, Apparently he beat his mother and Caitlin with baseball bats and stabbed them with large kitchen knives.

Speaker 2 He also apparently, oh, fuck. ready for this? He also apparently raped his 14-year-old sister with, oh no, said baseball bat.

Speaker 2 Oh, cops who worked the murder apparently vomited when they got there and say that it was the worst crime scene they had ever come upon.

Speaker 2 Blood everywhere. The worst part, and she says maybe it's all pretty horrible, is that he made his youngest sister go lay in her, I don't, and then he did things, he slit her throat.

Speaker 2 Another pretty awful part is that we heard Caitlin got away from him and ran out into the street but he dragged her back and they found bloodstreaks across the ground the most horrible part about this is that the road they lived on was right by the highway and nearly always busy no one saw this somehow he used to have a weird he used to have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving her i no wait i'm sorry I used to have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving her.

Speaker 2 That's not weirdo. That makes sense.
No, that's those are my fantasies and why I'm going to therapy. Yeah.
The murder stayed with me a while. Yeah.
School the next day was so eerie and quiet.

Speaker 2 Everyone knew what happened and everyone had stories about John and Caitlin. John was weird, that much I knew.

Speaker 2 And in the weeks after the murder, when we all talked about it, I couldn't remember if I actually ever talked to John or not. In my memory now, he used to say weird shit to me on the bus.

Speaker 2 But honestly, lots of

Speaker 2 dudes in my small Poduck town were weirdos.

Speaker 2 We still all talk about the murder, and I will still hear new rumors about what he did and why.

Speaker 2 He always claimed he was abused by both his mother and father, and his mother and sister just made him angry. Some people thought it was because he was a Satanist when he admitted to being Wiccan.

Speaker 2 And other people talked about hearing him say he wanted to kill his family, but no one took him seriously. Just awful.
I recently heard 12 years later about the cops vomiting everywhere.

Speaker 2 The last line in that article is upsetting. He had some advice for people, don't abuse your children or they might kill you.
Well, I mean, he's right.

Speaker 2 But did they but did they abuse him well yeah i feel like if they had abused him he wouldn't have he would have just killed them

Speaker 2 you mean instead of like raping the sisters yeah i feel like the raping a sister and slitting the throat of an eight-year-old is

Speaker 2 you're something's wrong with you for sure yeah because they didn't abuse him no and it has nothing to do with

Speaker 2 it's not revenge it's not revenge yeah it's it's you just or at least it's not revenge in the story you're telling it's not it doesn't line up it doesn't

Speaker 2 Fuck, that's intense. Did you find it? I did.
It's Thinking Sideways. Thinking Sideways.
It's Steve, Devin, and Joe's podcast, Thinking Sideways. It's a really good, if you like, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 If you like facts, if you like really well-researched stories and deeply researched stories, this is your podcast. Thinking Sideways.
But also opinions. Yes.
They all have opinions, which is fun.

Speaker 2 Well, it's a really good discussion because

Speaker 2 it seems like they do it the way we do it, where like the I've listened to a couple and it's like people, they ask each other questions as they talk through the case.

Speaker 2 The one guy who sounds like a radio host from the 40s

Speaker 2 is amazing. I don't know who's who.
I don't either. It's a really good podcast, though.
I'm Georgia and that's Karen. In case you don't know who's whom.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 You want to go? Why don't we both do one more? Sure. We're at 50 minutes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll each do one more.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. We're out of that.
Do you have a case update on this? I actually do. So in 2022, the state Supreme Court ruled that sentencing minors to life without parole violates the state constitution.

Speaker 1 And since John was 17 when he was convicted, he became eligible for re-sentencing.

Speaker 1 So in 2023, he was re-sentenced to spend 40 to 60 years behind bars, which means the earliest he'll be eligible for release is 2043.

Speaker 1 Okay, so here are the final stories from this episode, starting with Karen sharing Molly's hometown, as well as my story telling Kylene's hometown.

Speaker 2 All right, ready? Yeah, Molly, subject line axe murders. Yay! Okay, so I literally started listening this morning.
The show is amazing. I love True Crime.

Speaker 2 I think you guys are really funny. I wanted to share my hometown murder with you too.
So in 1988, in Rochester, Minnesota, that's MN, right?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 you know, I didn't say that. I didn't say the initials of the

Speaker 2 last Grand Rapids machine.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I wasn't sure. Because you were afraid? That's where my husband's from.
Anyway, come on. I'm the worst.
It's the fear that's keeping us from. It's fear.

Speaker 2 It's all it is. I'm pretty sure MN is

Speaker 2 Minnesota. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Rochester, Minnesota. This 16-year-old named David Brom killed his mom, dad, little sister, and little brother.

Speaker 2 He got in a fight with his dad over the music he listened to. David was a goth kid going to Catholic school.
What was he listening? It was like something stupid. We're like, they're not even that

Speaker 2 808 State. His dad told him not to listen to whatever music he was listening to, and David got pissed.
When most of his family was sleeping, his older brother Joe wasn't home that night.

Speaker 2 He took an axe from the basement and attacked his family. If I remember correctly, he killed his dad first.
His mom woke up at one point. His mom had defensive wounds on her arms from the axe.

Speaker 2 David went to school the next day, bragging to his friends about what he did.

Speaker 2 When no one could find him later on, his friends went to school administration.

Speaker 2 They in turn called the cops who went into the home, found the dead bodies. They didn't find David until

Speaker 2 the evening, two miles from the school in a phone booth at the post office, less than a mile from the house I grew up in. Was he just hanging out?

Speaker 2 It doesn't say. But he was dead.
I wasn't alive during this time, but

Speaker 2 my dad called my mom at least a couple times to make sure she was okay during the manhunt. He was just in the phone booth.
I thought he killed himself. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 He was just, he was trying to make calls or something. They basically found him there.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So it was a manhunt.

Speaker 2 And the last thing there was, it was terrifying. David is still in prison and is eligible for parole in 2041.

Speaker 2 His brother Joe has passed away in the past couple of years, so he doesn't have any family left.

Speaker 2 I honestly don't think he'll be released from prison, but stranger things have happened. Sorry, this was so long.
Wanted to share. Love the show.
Molly. There wasn't a lot, Molly.
It was not long. No.

Speaker 2 What is it with these? That's, there's a couple, these kind of stories of like teenage boys. Teenage boys trying to deal with all their chemicals.
Chemical. Outside and in.

Speaker 2 Hormones, anger, especially back in the, I feel like there was such a switch from the baby, baby boomers to like the Gen Xers and that there was like,

Speaker 2 there wasn't not, they didn't understand each other. No, not at all.
And they didn't tolerate each other.

Speaker 2 And I will say, as a person growing up in the 80s, boys, at least at my school, got the shit beaten out of them every single day. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There were some bullies at my school that were downright terrifying. And it was, and like hitting your spankings and belt whippings were like you being a good parent.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I got fucking spanked with wooden spoons. Did you really? Yeah.
It sucked. And now I look at my nephews and I'm like, the thought of fucking

Speaker 2 beating them up with an object, like hitting them yeah violence against children to teach them not to do something so were your parents spanked because a lot of times that's what normalizes it my dad was definitely abused by his father

Speaker 2 left the home after he by punching his father in the face and then walked out and

Speaker 2 never came back wow but my mom i don't know my mom wasn't wow but she was the one who spanked us it's all coming out on my favorite murder

Speaker 2 My mom and I are friends. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It happened to so many people.

Speaker 2 I think because my mom had a super rotten childhood herself, she was, she was like, there's,

Speaker 2 there was never any hitting. Yeah.
And there was always like a, you know, discourse. But yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. Let's do, wait.
Okay. Okay.
This one's good. Okay.
Kylene writes, this story makes the hair on my arm stand up.

Speaker 2 Rarely are we confronted with the realization that we so easily could never have been born. Oh, when she was 20 years old, my mother went on a date with a serial killer.

Speaker 2 His name was Thor Nil Christensen, and he murdered several women in Solvang and Isla Vista, California between 1976 and 79. What? Again, fucking central California, Northern California.

Speaker 2 Get the fuck out. Solving is up like wine country, right? It's like two hours from Los Angeles.
Yes, like right outside of Santa Barbara. It's it's it's a Dutch Disneyland, basically.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it looks like it's for tourists. It's for tourists.

Speaker 2 There's an alpaca farm. And Isla Vista is like the shitty part of Santa Barbara where all the kids go to college.
Oh, okay. Right.
All right.

Speaker 2 So the way she tells the story, and to be honest, she's only told me twice. So once as a warning as a teenager, and then just a few months ago, after plowing her with several glasses of Pinot Grigio.

Speaker 2 So some details are hazy. Is that she was a sorority girl at UCSB in Santa Barbara, living in a studio apartment.

Speaker 2 One night at a bar, a quote, surfer-looking guy with blonde hair hit on her, and she agreed to leave with him. Nope.

Speaker 2 Her bartender friend pleaded with her not to leave, but she didn't listen.

Speaker 2 The surfer.

Speaker 2 Hold on. The surfer at the bar drove a, quote, super creepy van and they climbed in.
Oh. Oh, the 70s.
After driving around and making out, he suddenly turned down a way she didn't recognize.

Speaker 2 Eventually, he pulled into a cemetery. Oh,

Speaker 2 it was there. He parked, went back, went to the back of the van, and pulled out a suitcase full of women's clothing.
He told my mom to put on the clothes and get out of the van.

Speaker 2 My mother put on the clothes and developed a plan. In a stunning stroke of genius, she said, oh, this is hot.
This is so turning me on.

Speaker 2 And shaking, she led him back to her apartment where she lived alone. Admittedly, this was the flaw in my mother's plan, but thank God she got out of the fucking cemetery.
Yes, she says. 100%.

Speaker 2 Once back to her studio, she had led him to her bed and started kissing him, still wearing the creepy clothes. No idea.

Speaker 2 She picked up a lamp, smashed it over his head, and screamed, get the fuck out of my house. And he ran away.
Her neighbors all came out of their apartments to see if she was okay.

Speaker 2 And she said she was. Then she stayed with her sorority sister for a few nights.

Speaker 2 I don't even know if my dad knows this story let alone the police my mother said she never went to anyone and then moved back home to san diego so missed when he was captured she didn't know his name or that he was a serial killer so in may when i plowed her with wine to get her to spill the details she means plied her with wine okay but please don't it's not me okay okay i'm just saying plowed

Speaker 2 you're right you get plowed on wine you ply people with wine i think kylene and i are like similar people because i swear to god it says plowed i believed it the whole time and I'm fine with it.

Speaker 2 I plied her with wine to get her to spill the details because I'm a terrible daughter. I researched it.
I'm so embarrassed now, Karen. I'm sorry.
No, it's plied. We were just reading it.
Okay.

Speaker 2 All right. Originally, just plowed makes it sound like she fucked her own mom.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 No, I got it. You're right.
You're right. You're right.
Okay. Originally, I thought this quote surfer dude was the original Night Stalker, but the dates in the story don't add up.

Speaker 2 Love this girl that she's like researching this. Yes.
She's like, which serial killer could it be? Yeah.

Speaker 2 When I stumbled across Christensen, I showed her his picture and she wrote, which was a mistake. And she confirmed.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure what kind of information you need to confirm the story, but I'm happy to help in any way I can. Like we're questioning this girl's story.
Oh, I know. I saw the photo.

Speaker 2 Karen's showing me this photo. He looks like, he looks like he'd be a wrestle, like a wrestler from the 70s.
That's exactly his like, he was called the original Nightstalker wrestler.

Speaker 2 Like so he looks. But he also has that look on his face.
Like, I'm chill. Everything's chill.

Speaker 2 Like he's German or something. Yeah.
He definitely looks like

Speaker 2 Macho Man Randy Savage.

Speaker 2 Is she done? Yeah, that's it. Because here's the good news to the end of that story.
Yeah. He was stabbed to death in Folsom prison.
Yay!

Speaker 2 If anyone's worried, the man who killed four women.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's so intense.

Speaker 2 I want to investigate the story more and know if like putting him in women's clothes was a thing or like, were those the clothing of the women who he had killed before her this bitch almost got killed that is yeah she was in it she that's so crazy i know right uh

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 fuck man i'm trying i'm trying to scan really quickly but yeah i don't see i don't see anything about clothes whoa that one's good i'm sweating profusely i smell kind of bad pretty yeah i'm i'm definitely sweating sorry um i love those i like those fast ones i do too i mean it's it's very satisfying to just go, not have to dive and pretend to be an expert on a topic.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I like the, here's what, here's what happened.
Yes. According to me who experienced it.
Right, exactly. Those are fun.
There was a couple, and we're, we're still going to keep doing these. So

Speaker 2 if we didn't get to yours, hopefully we will soon. But we, there's hundreds.
I mean, there's so many. So many.
But there's a couple who are like, my mom went on a date with Ted Bundy.

Speaker 2 There's a Ted Bundy date one. You're not even making that up.
There's a Ted Bundy date. Yes.

Speaker 2 There's more than one Ted Bundy date. Yes.
Like there's people who are like, I knew Ted Bundy or like, he was a friend of the family.

Speaker 2 It's just crazy how many like my next door neighbor killed his wife. Like there's so many of those.
Yes. Little ones that you've never heard of and never will.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But people knew them and were like, no, they were nice guys. They're always normal nice guys.
Right. And then snap.
Stay snap. And there's a lot of,

Speaker 2 there's a lot of the son of the family

Speaker 2 ones. Well, you know, that's the Amityville horror story.
Right. That's the real story behind that.
Totally.

Speaker 2 Or at least that's the original story. Right.
I mean, it's hard to be the eldest son and whatever that, whatever comes with that. I feel like it's hard to be the eldest son when the dad is a dick.

Speaker 2 For sure. I feel like a lot of that, the dad has so many expectations, especially back then, where it's like,

Speaker 2 you know, it's so important to be popular. Yeah.
And big time. Yeah.
You have to be like the quarterback or whatever. And the dad is trying to, um,

Speaker 2 trying to, what's the word? Live vicariously through the son. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you have that combined with like, say, a weak mom or a mom that lets the dad do whatever he wants and doesn't have, you know, any, any kind of handle on anything.

Speaker 2 And maybe the mom, the, the, the kid loves the mom so much and he's pissed at her for never having stood up for him. But he can't be pissed at her because she is as abused as he is.
Right.

Speaker 2 I mean, and the sister's just like kind of a popular cunt.

Speaker 2 What are we writing right now? It's the, we're basically talking through the amateur whole story. But you're literally talking origin story.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I mean, we're talking through a thing that we've all seen on 2020 one million times. Totally.
It's a, it's a typical American setup. You guys, if you're a guy, please don't kill your family.

Speaker 2 Listen, you don't, listen. I can't solve your problem for you.
It's just a podcast, but listen to your mothers

Speaker 2 in Georgia. I play the guitar.

Speaker 2 Girls love shit like that. Yeah.
Be already. Be arty.
Grow your hair long and just be like, sorry, I'm Arty. Too bad.
And then jump on the next train. I know a woman named Artie.

Speaker 2 So I was like, what are you talking about? Be like her. She's great.
She's a darling person.

Speaker 2 Read a book, man. Don't read Catcher in the Rye.
Just stop yourself right there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Is that it for us? Elvis? Elvis will let Elvis will let us know when it's upset. What do you think, Elvis? Are we done?

Speaker 2 Elvis?

Speaker 2 One day we're going to talk to him and he's going to be like, ladies, let's wrap it up. The gods have spoken.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Thank you for listening. Go to my favorite murder on

Speaker 2 the fucking Instagram.

Speaker 2 There's a Twitter.

Speaker 2 There's all kinds of, of course, the Facebook page. There's all kinds of ways that you can participate.
Thank you for listening. Yeah, tell a friend and tell a sister.
Elvis, do you want a cookie?

Speaker 2 You want a cookie?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Stay sexy. Don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I mean, there was our brilliant episode.

Speaker 1 I feel very proud for some reason of us thinking of doing this episode of like all the things that we didn't know and all the things that we were innocent of and just kind of hanging out.

Speaker 1 I feel like this was great producing on our part. And really, when it came down to probably was neither of us had our homework done and we were scrambling and sweating.

Speaker 1 And I'm really good at excuses and we're like good at figuring out like how to get around things. Yeah.
A workaround. A workaround.
A fix, a kind of like, it's the same.

Speaker 1 It's the reason that Guy Branham came on and answered legal questions. That's right.
I forgot. Because we, it was like, I was like, I, it is nighttime.

Speaker 1 There's no way I'm finishing this document and I don't know what to do. I feel like when you're the little sister of the family, you figure out.

Speaker 1 You get like squirrely and you are in a maze your entire life.

Speaker 1 And you figure out the right turns. And if they're not the right turns, you fucking scratch through the wall and make them the right turns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because if you don't, you'll get left behind and made fun of. And you can hear everybody on the rest of the maze having the best fucking time without you.
Making fun of you.

Speaker 1 So you better get over there, gal. Get your ass over there.
And that's what my favorite murder is. It's a fucking scratching through the wall of the maze to get to the finish line.

Speaker 1 To get to the party that actually isn't there. And you just imagined it.
But hey, you got out of the maze. You sure did.
Good job. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So let's see.
We're going to rename this. If we had to rename this episode

Speaker 1 from basically just an episode that says what it is, which I, you know, why rename it? But if we had to,

Speaker 1 the suggestion was when I say listen and judge. Yeah.
That's it. Listen and love or listen and judge.
That's pretty good. That sounds like us.
Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's what you guys do.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, that's, that's all we can squeeze out of that old rock.

Speaker 1 Thank Thank you so much. You guys have been bringing the goods for us and making mini-soads and hometown episodes possible for nine years.
We really appreciate it. We really do.

Speaker 1 Thank you for listening to this episode of Rewind. We'll keep doing them if you keep listening.
Yeah, and stay sexy. And don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.

Speaker 2 Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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