1770 - "Control Grid"

Subjugation, destruction.

Adam Curry, John C.

Dvorak.

It's Thursday, June 5th, 2025.

This is your award-winning Give On Nation Media Assassination Episode 1770.

This is no agenda.

No mo romance and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA, region number six.

In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it looks like it's warming up, I'm John C.

Dvorak.

It's Craig Bottom Buzzkill in the morning.

Wow.

Completely inspired.

Yeah, I was all, I was, I didn't think anything.

Nothing to say.

That's what I mean.

Completely inspired.

Oh, it's a show.

Okay.

It's warming up.

The weather looks a little windy.

It's warming up.

It's warming up.

Warming up.

Not much going on.

Man,

Trump is so smart.

Now what?

He's got it.

It's perfect.

People are so dense.

Everybody's in a tizzy.

Elon, you know, it's mad at the big, big, beautiful bill.

Elon is mad.

It could be big, it can be beautiful, but it can't be both.

Well, he went even further.

He's posting is disgusting, and President Trump is taking questions right now with Mr.

Peepers in the oval saying, I'm very, very dense.

No, that can't still be going on.

With Peepers?

As we speak, you have your monitors up there.

Are they they still talking?

No.

The quad is everyone's showing

President Trump saying, I'm very disappointed in Elon.

How stupid can everybody be?

In a blistering 10-post tirade on X, Elon Musk torched President Trump's signature spending plan, known as the Big Beautiful Bill.

That's news for you.

That's ABC News.

And by the way,

that is also a teaser for tip of the day.

Oh!

Torched President Trump's signature spending plan, known as the Big Beautiful Bill, calling it a disgusting abomination, and accused lawmakers of passing a massive, outrageous, pork-filled bill that will massively increase the already gigantic budget deficit.

The president already knows where Elon Musk stood on this bill.

It doesn't change the president's opinion.

Musk's criticism widens a public rift with the Trump administration and its allies.

With all due respect, my friend Elon is terribly wrong.

The bill could have a major impact on Elon Musk's businesses.

It would phase out tax credits for electric vehicles, possibly impacting the bottom line at Tesla, and it would regulate artificial intelligence.

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who voted for the bill in the House last month, now says she did not realize the bill includes a 10-year federal ban on states regulating AI.

Green posting, I am adamantly opposed to this, and it is a violation of state rights.

And I would have voted no if I had known this was in there.

So there's a lot here in this one-minute report.

First of all, Marjorie Taylor Greene is not read in, and she is very afraid because Elon Musk has said, I'm going to pull out my wallet.

I'm going to primary anybody who voted for this disgusting thing.

Well, it's no real surprise that this has happened.

We've seen various tensions between the two.

They tried to play happy families as Musk exited the White House last week, but he has been a staunch opponent of this.

We found that out

on just recently, on Sunday, actually, and in an interview with CBS News.

Well, now, this, though, is his most daring tweet about this beautiful bill, as Donald Trump calls it.

Musk tweeting, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore.

This massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.

Shame on those who voted for it.

You know you did wrong.

You know it.

Now, he also doubled down on this in the hours that followed.

He then tweeted, in November next year, i.e.

the midterms, we fire all politicians who betrayed the American people.

Congress is making America bankrupt.

Now, the White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt, was asked about this at the press briefing today.

Now, she said, Look, the president already knows where Elon Musk stood on this bill.

It doesn't change the president's opinion.

This is one big, beautiful bill, and he's sticking to it.

Well, indeed, the White House is standing by that bill, saying it will reduce government spending.

But the man they put in charge of cutting government spending, Elon Musk, clearly disagrees.

So this is like a triple, a triple thing that's going on here.

Not for a second do I believe the bromance is over.

First of all, Elon, he needs to get back to his business.

He needs to show everybody that, well, you know, like I'm really not all for this.

You can come back and buy my cars.

That's one.

Two, we got to smoke out all the traders.

We got to smoke them out.

The people who are just flip-floppy, wishy-washy, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who apparently didn't even read the bill.

It's fantastic.

If I had known that was in there, I wouldn't have voted for it.

Well, what are you voting for then?

Thomas Massey,

Rand, and

what's the Ron Johnson?

They're all like, oh, yeah, no, no, this is no good.

And they're even publicly saying, oh, we want Elon to fund primary challengers.

And it's bringing out all kinds of right-wing publications talking about these,

you know, about the turncoats.

So it's one, get Elon back to work.

Two, smoke out the people who are not on the president's team.

And three, it's guaranteed to pass now.

No one's going to go against Elon Musk.

They don't

jump in with him all of a sudden.

No, you can't just turn around and say, oh,

that fiasco in Wisconsin.

Oh, the cheese head thing?

No, when he put tons of money behind that judge, that's when he had the cheese head.

Who lost?

Yeah, that's when he had the cheese on his head.

Oh, you put a cheese head on?

Yeah.

I have one of those.

Of course.

They fall apart after a while.

I don't know what it's made out of.

But because it's just one of those things that oxidizes and starts crumbling, it becomes a disaster.

Yes.

So this is an obvious gambit.

It's so clear, but everybody, oh, you know, this is about Elon's business.

He doesn't like it because of his business.

What?

Because he's not going to get SpaceX deals, please.

Because of

the phase-out of the subsidy on electric vehicles, please.

And it gives the M5M all kinds of reasons to speculate.

And, yeah, we knew this, we knew this would end.

It's all over.

Yeah, they don't even know how to break up these boys.

The president has remained uncharacteristically quiet as Elon Musk continues to attack this bill.

Attack.

It's obviously kind of a, I don't know if it's a tricky situation for both of them, but what do you make of his silence?

This, by the way, I think, is the guy who wrote the article,

which he's been doing the rounds everywhere.

All of a sudden, Mark Caputo.

Scoop!

Scoop!

So this is on Axios.

Scoop, Kolong.

Four reasons Musk attacked Trump's big, beautiful bill.

Here are the four reasons.

The legislation cuts the electric vehicle tax that helps car makers like Musk Tesla,

which

really

phases out over many years.

Two, Musk was working at the White House as what's called a special government employee.

He discussed trying to stay beyond the 138 time limit.

He's pissed about that.

Three, Musk wanted the Federal Aviation Administration to use his Starlink satellite system for national air traffic control, but it's not happening.

The administration balked.

And the final straw

appeared to come Saturday night when Trump abruptly announced he was withdrawing the nomination of Jared Isaacsman, a Musk ally, to be NASA administrator.

Yeah, that's the reason.

And this guy is everywhere.

Set up obvious.

Yeah, I think it is a tricky situation for both of them.

Elon Musk is the richest guy in the world.

He owns the most important important social media platform,

no disrespect to True Social.

And he's very popular with a big segment of Trump's coalition, including a lot of people in Congress.

And meanwhile, Trump is very popular with a lot of people like Elon Musk.

It's sort of like that old expression where

you ride a tiger until you have to get off, and that's when the tiger eats you.

These guys have been sort of taking turns riding each other's fame and cults of personality, and they just don't know how, you know,

they don't know how to break up and it creates real political problems for both of them and it's kind of fascinating to watch how does it create political problems for elon musk he doesn't have a political career you have new reporting about why about more personal reasons why musk may be unhappy with the president including the white house withdrawing the nomination of a musk ally to head nasa the faa balking and using the starlink for national uh air traffic control and and you know what may be unhappy about tax credits for electric vehicles being cut by the bill which is on the other speaker johnson mentioned yesterday.

You broke this story.

It was a big scoop.

Now, you also report Musk actually wanted to remain a special government employee past the legal 130-day limit, and this was after he was gifted that golden key.

Donald Trump does like Elon Musk.

Now, he's kind of annoyed and not really happy with Musk teeing off on the legislation the way he has, and there's a whole bunch of discussion to be had about that.

But in the end,

he respects Elon Musk.

He likes Elon Musk, And that's partly informing this very rare impulse control from President Trump.

The other thing I'm told by White House.

Yeah, all of a sudden, President Trump has impulse compulsory control.

It's amazing.

What could possibly be going on?

Officials is that Trump doesn't really want to feed this anymore.

They don't want to give more oxygen to Elon Musk.

These are my words, not theirs, but I can tell that there's sort of a hope that Musk will sort of punch himself out.

However, as you've seen from Musk's personal life, where he's had a number of nasty breakups, his breakups and the end of his relationships with people sometimes end in a rather acrimonious way.

And we're seeing a little sign of that here with the president, at least one way from Musk to President Trump.

Chum is in the water, and the minnows are all over it, especially on the right.

It's amazing.

How can people not do you not know Trump's algorithm by now?

now?

Have you not figured it out?

It's just, it's baffling to me.

And on, right on queue in the troll room, yeah, this is all to cover up the Palantir news.

Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Troll Master.

Yes, we have a note.

We do.

We have a boots on the ground from an insider at Palantir.

I've been asked to say.

What was the Palantir news?

Oh, it was just a groomer, wasn't it?

Just a gossipy thing.

No, no, no.

Trump is going to use Palantir to create a profile of every American, and then he's going to do something with it.

Where was that released as news?

Oh, I had a guess last time in the show notes.

Hold on a second.

I'll look up for you.

We didn't even get to it because I knew right away.

It's like, all right.

Palantir.

Here we go.

New York Times.

Would that make sense?

That our very own trolls fall for that?

Alex Carbcoke, here, headline, Palantir to compile data on Americans.

Alex Karp, co-founder, chief executive of Palantir, at a forum in Washington in April.

Trump has not publicly talked about the effort, but behind the scenes, officials have quietly put technological building blocks into place to...

Dennis, a new story.

This is a speculative story.

Well,

it's based upon what this Alex Karp

said

at this forum in Washington.

And the Trump administration has expanded Palantir's work across the federal government in recent months.

The work has received more than, the company has received more than $113 million in federal government.

That's a bad contract, by the way.

You got to be at least a bill.

Since Mr.

Trump took office,

according to public records, including additional funds from existing contracts, as well as new contracts for the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon.

So the push has put a key Palantir product called Foundry into at least four federal agencies, including DHS, Health and Human Services Department, widely adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data, paves the way for Mr.

Trump to easily merge information from different agencies.

Imagine that.

Wow, you mean the like the DMV from Washington State talking to the DMV from California so they can find out you're a drunk?

Imagine that.

So we have,

we got a boots on the ground from an insider from Palantir, his credentials checkout.

And of course,

he's asked us to keep his

identity anonymous and his work.

Why wouldn't we?

And his work history, which is interesting.

Yeah,

yes, that would be a giveaway.

I was recruited by Palantir to help stand up its AML platform, that's anti-money laundering platform.

Platforms like this use machine learning models to confirm identity and detect suspicious transaction activity.

To do this, they use mountains of data from various clearinghouses and data from other clients.

Late in the interview cycle, I requested to speak with the head of product.

I asked him how they sourced their seed data for machine language training.

He informed me they had no data.

Part of my job is to get agreements in place with tier one banks to source that data so they can begin training models.

Based on this, I declined the job.

People like Whitney Webb would have you believe Palantir is scraping all of our data for Mossad.

There it is.

Stop.

That's the best part of this.

That's the best line.

If that were the case, Palantir would have more than enough data to train their AML models.

They have exactly zero data in-house, meaning she's full of crap.

What Palantir actually does is provide the platform for

organizations to perform

machine learning training off their own data.

This is exactly what Trump wants Palantir to do for the various executive agencies.

I get the arguments why this could be bad, but there are very real reasons why this is a great thing.

Medicaid paid Thompson Reuters $5 million for the Social Security Administration death master file data.

Yes, the government paid $5 million to a Canadian company for its own data.

This is only one example that I am directly familiar with, but I'm sure there are dozens.

The government's data infrastructure is an ungodly mess, and if we can fix it with Palantir, it could help eliminate Social Security and tax fraud and speed up every government service.

And that makes sense.

That's what Doge was doing.

connecting databases, connecting data sources.

I also see this as a good thing.

I do too.

You know,

but oh, no.

Yeah, this is it.

This is exactly it.

It's the Whitney Webb thing.

Yeah, Whitney Webb.

And it's not just Whitney Webb.

I wasn't even planning on rolling this out this early.

It is also

Catherine Austin Fitz.

Because

I went back and looked, do you know how many times we have either discussed or talked about Catherine Austin Fitz on the podcast?

I do not know, but I do.

Her name does ring a bell.

It's almost close to a hundred times.

Yes, go to bingit.io in the past 17 and a half years.

It's it's really cool.

She sneaks in a lot.

She does sneak in a lot.

And we just noticed it now.

No, we need Palantir.

But she was on the Danny Jones podcast.

Let's just pretend we know who Danny Jones is, but he's got views.

You know, we promise ourselves we do more with the alternative media.

Now, the question, because she,

well, the question is, Trump is big on Bitcoin.

Now, listen to how she answers without even mentioning Bitcoin at all and what she immediately states as fact.

So Trump has been super, this current administration, this new administration, or at least when Trump was running, he he was very pro-Bitcoin.

Trump was put in by the bankers to get the control grid.

The other team in the Uniparo wasn't moving fast enough.

They couldn't get the control grid.

Wait, wait, wait.

Yeah, I know.

I didn't understand what she said.

She said he was put into the bankers, blah, blah, blah.

I couldn't understand what she said.

What did she say?

She speaks quite eloquently.

I'll repeat it and I'll

play it again.

Trump was put in by the bankers to put in the control grid.

This, by the way,

she was in

the housing administration, I think.

She was reasonably senior within the U.S.

government.

And her whole thing has been control grid.

Mr., what's she called?

Mr.

Globalist.

I don't know who that is, but they've stolen a lot of money.

Okay.

Well, yeah, duh.

All the money's been stolen.

But it's all about the control grid.

Everything, Palantir, it's all,

she's like the adult Whitney Webb.

Trump was put in by the bankers to get the control grid.

The other team in the Uniparo wasn't moving fast enough.

They couldn't get the control grid.

I knew it.

I've never, I sent you a link.

We just did a new collection of all the things Trump is doing to move the control grid.

He is moving very, very fast.

When it comes to building...

Hold on a sec.

So, yeah, Richard Johnson, troll.

We didn't say Trump combining all the info the government has on Americans into a big database is a good thing.

We didn't say that.

When Elon Musk was connecting all the databases, everyone loved it.

Think with your head, man.

First, he's getting the real ID implemented very aggressively.

Real ID, to do a control grid, you need a very high-quality, precision national ID.

Yeah, that's what that little

star on my driver's license is.

It's a very high-quality, high-precision national ID.

It's been going on for decades.

Decades.

This thing is pre-Trump.

Interoperable with all the other IDs around the world.

And he's got Christy Noam out there pushing the real ID like there's Snowmorrow.

I agree.

I haven't heard her say shit about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We even played a clip of her talking about it.

Yeah, we did.

Okay.

Yeah.

In fact, let me make sure I'm

real ID.

Gnome.

Yeah, here it is.

Hi, I'm Christy Noam, the United States Secretary of Homeland Security.

If you plan on traveling, we need your help to prevent delays and to prove your identity.

Get a real ID.

Starting May 7th, you will need a real ID to travel by air or to visit federal buildings in the United States.

She's definitely pushing it like no one else's business.

But to me, it's just a big distraction from the obvious facial recognition that's going on at every airport.

Don't need a real ID for that.

They're just taking my image.

Don't worry, we'll delete it.

We'll delete it within 24 hours.

We won't delete anything.

Real ID implemented very aggressively.

Real ID, to do a control grid, you need a very high-quality, precision national ID that's interoperable with all the other IDs around the world.

And he's got Christy Noam out there pushing the Real ID like there's Snowmorrow.

I don't know how it's interoperable.

This is...

Is there a real ID database I'm unaware of that every single country is tapped into?

No.

So they're working and it's it's done through the states, but the feds are pushing it.

So the first thing you need is a digital ID.

The second thing you need is an all-digital financial system.

So you got to kill cash and you got to make everybody interact digitally.

And if you look at what he's doing with taxes and social security, he's trying to make everybody

you know, he's canceled pennies, but he's also canceled now, you know, normally I pay my taxes with paper and now he's saying, no, you've got to do everything digital

for it's not this year, but the next year.

Really?

So he's trying that if you go through that list, I've got like, oh my gosh.

John, you and I, do you even send a check?

I still send checks to the IRS.

Do you send a check or do you do it online?

You don't do it at all.

Mimi does it, but let's just pretend we know.

It's we actually have to, because we had our identity stolen like a number of years ago.

Yeah.

We, Mimi actually has to go in.

In person?

In person

to the IRS and hand them a check.

Wow.

Well, she better bring her real ID.

She won't get in the office.

But wait, she

Katherine Austin Fitz is about to bring in my favorite topic.

Really?

So he's trying to.

If you go through that list, I've got like, you know, 50 different items of what he's doing.

And if you look, I would love to see the list of 50 different items of what he's doing.

I would like to see, you know, she's got that nervous, that tick, nervous tick, that voice of hers is enough to make you not believe a word she says.

Even though she's very smart, she sees a lot of things correctly.

But this, you know, like Trump was brought in by the bankers to

get the control grid in place.

Okay.

Really?

So he's trying to, if you go through that list, I've got like, you know, 50 different items of what he's doing.

Where's the CBC?

And if you look at what they're doing with the Genius Act and Stablecoin, he said no CBDCs, but

my favorite topic, the Genius Act and Stablecoin.

Okay.

Stablecoin.

So I don't know if you've read the Genius Act, which is the new plan for stablecoins.

Okay.

A CBDC is issued, would be issued by the Federal Reserve.

So presumably the New York Fed and the Fed member banks.

Now, they are owned by their members.

So Citibank, JP Mortgage Ace, they own,

as members, they own the New York Fed and basically govern it.

And the New York Fed is the depository for the Treasury, and the different banks work as agent to do those transactions.

Now, under the Genius Act, what they're saying is the guys who own the New York Fed are all going to create subsidiaries and issue stablecoin, which will be interoperable and can work with

a social credit system.

So she just throws that out there.

It'll interop with a social credit system, which I guess is being built by Palantir based upon all of the information and your real ID.

Yeah, you know,

you're making that up.

This last clip, which is short, she actually explains perfectly what the stablecoin gambit is.

And she has this so right,

but to me, it completely detracts from her whole conspiracy mind.

Because

if she'd answered the question, which is about Bitcoin,

which never comes up again, that's the antithesis of a stablecoin.

But okay.

What they're planning to do on stable coin, which I have to say is a financial matter, is quite clever.

Remember the pallets of cash you sent to Iraq?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

This is going to be the digital equivalent of the pallets of cash sent to Iraq.

See, this doesn't even make sense.

So the pallets of cash sent to Iraq, stablecoin is going to be the digital equivalent of that.

Oh, because it's so anonymous, because we don't know who holds that pallets of cash.

We don't know exactly whose pocket that's in.

But

for some unknown reason now, the stable coin is going to be just like anonymous cash, which of course she said it's not going to be.

Okay.

Okay.

This is going to be the digital equivalent of the pallets of cash sent to Iraq because what they want to do is stable coins.

So a stable coin is just a bank deposit or a treasury bill or bond.

So it's fully collateralized by a dollar.

You put a dollar in, and these stable coins are going to, I mean, you have some stable coins that do gold or other things, but these are going to be gold or other things.

Bitcoin will also be, is already backing stable coin, but let's just gloss over that.

Dollar.

And this is going to create a huge market for the treasury bills and bonds.

Yes.

And you're going to, so you're going to, the bank subsidiaries will create the stable coins.

So it would be fully collateralized in treasury bonds or bills.

But then you can send them out on Google Payment and Apple Payment and all the wallets around the world.

And literally, you can get people from Bolivia to South Korea coming into your state and using stable coins.

Yes.

So you're literally going to tent for the global population, try and get everybody off of their local currency and stable coins, and you're going to pump out massive amounts of private credit to make it really attractive.

So you're just going to hand out money and get everybody on the dollar.

Yes.

Exactly.

Is that a bad thing?

It's being the world reserve currency without being the world reserve currency.

I know it's a big concept for people, but

this whole idea of control grid, but then all of a sudden it's like pallets of cash.

No, no, no, no, no.

No.

This stablecoin thing has got real legs, and I think it is genius.

And there's already 400 million people in the world who use stablecoin, almost none of them in the United States.

Because you can use your Venmo, you can use your PayPal, you can use all that.

It's not intended for us,

but okay.

So just it's like, calm down, everybody.

The control grid, Palantir, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk.

Oh no,

what are we going to do?

As if the control grid wasn't already here

on your phone.

The phone in the drawer?

You are the only one they can't find.

Where's this Dvorak character?

We can find family members all over the country from South Dakota to Washington, but we can't find the kingpin.

Where is he?

No.

So calm down, everybody.

The best thing about the Big Beautiful Bill is the extension of the tax cuts, and you want that.

You want that.

And what is it going to add?

It's going to potentially add $270 billion a year to our already out-of-control deficit.

Well, that's debatable.

If it's that much or if it's more than that.

No, it's that much, but it's debatable whether we really add to it or not.

Well, no, the whole idea is

we're going to outgrow the deficit.

Yeah, we're going to get a lot of cash, which I think, doesn't that directly impact the deficit if we get a lot of cash?

We get a lot of tariff money, yes.

Tariff money, yeah.

Well, also, uh, with the stable coin, the way I understand it, you can get the stable coin at par to the dollar, one for one, if you deal with us.

If you don't deal with us, you get it for 95 cents.

I mean, this is all, this has Trump's fingerprints all over it.

He is much more of a meta guy than people understand.

He just comes across as a doofus.

And I think he's got it.

He's got it by the right end this time.

If not, well, whatever.

We'll have another guy in three years.

We'll see what happens then.

But all of this stuff that's going on, it's sending our people, our people, into a tizzy.

Our people have been in a tizzy for a while.

I'm trying to calm them down.

It's going to be okay.

I think it's out of control.

And you always have to.

You can't fight it.

I want to fight it.

No, you're spending too much time fighting it you want to hear uh

spend more time mocking it well i don't want to mock our own people well you have to no no i don't think that's necessary

i am here to help spin uh oh to help spin down my people i'm sorry have to do this at the tone a clip from the view will be played shelter in place

Elon Musk basically could tank Donald Trump's entire legislative agenda.

This big, beautiful bill, it has energy, it has border security, it has has extending his tax cuts in it.

If Republicans decide, ooh, we don't want to get on the wrong side of Elon, that is what Donald Trump is banking it all on, and that's kind of devastating for his administration.

On the flip side, those Republicans, if you're in a House district, you're like, I'm afraid of Donald Trump, but Elon Musk, because of the dark money system we live in, he can come in and primary you by just pouring millions and millions into your race.

And we know it doesn't necessarily work because we just saw, thank you for reminding us, we saw that in Wisconsin.

So what are you talking about?

the opposite effect, as a matter of fact.

I would say

they got wind of it, and it had the opposite effect of the desired effect.

And primary you by just pouring millions and millions into your race.

And then there is that, that, you know, if one was going to think, you know, ooh, maybe this happened.

You know, Elon knows the 411 on everything.

Yeah, he got all that information.

He knows how.

He's literally sitting at Twitter looking at everybody's information.

Yeah, I see what you're doing.

I see what you're looking at.

Did you say 4011 on everybody?

Oh, yeah, the 401, baby.

That's how all the kids are talking.

10 years ago.

Well, she better guard her six.

Ooh, maybe this happened.

You know, Elon knows the 401 on everything.

Yeah, he got all that information.

Yeah, I think you can say that that's like you can turn like a code switch.

Like, Elon knows the 401 on everything.

Everything.

Maybe this happened.

You know, Elon knows the 401 on everything.

Everything.

Yeah, he got all that information.

He knows how all this came down.

Damn, down.

So now

Harumph.

Harumph.

Yeah.

I'm so angry.

So Trump should be afraid of him.

I think Trump is afraid of him.

He has those seats on the elections.

I think he is afraid of Trump.

Well, $20 million he spent alone in that Wisconsin Supreme Court race.

So imagine he would just need to peel off a handful of Republicans that cycle.

Like the entire balance of power in the House of Representatives could stand on if Elon Musk actually follows through in primaries, people who vote for him.

And the votes to peel off are there because the party is divided on what it wants.

But hasn't this damaged Elon Musk's

reputation?

NASA's reputation.

Like Teslas, you can't even sell them anymore.

You can't even get rid of them.

People aren't buying them.

They're burning.

They're burning them.

They're burning them.

Did you hear?

They're burning them.

They're burning them.

Yes, they're burning them.

I'll tell you something else.

It dawned on me.

It was not hard because it kept hitting me in the face like a wet salmon.

There will be no peace in Ukraine until after the big NATO summit, because it is so obvious now that, and I, and I would say that President Trump and President Putin are both

in this.

What?

Do you get hit in the face by a wet salmon a lot?

Have you ever,

hey, I grew up in Holland, man?

I think it's a Dutch expression, actually.

I think that's where it comes from.

But thanks for interrupting my flow.

I'm sorry, but

you got me jammed with that one.

It's just like when you get hit in the face with a wet salmon.

What?

Nothing ever happened to me.

Oh, well, you've never lived in Holland.

I think that President Trump, President Putin,

they are definitely playing together.

And everyone's jumping in on it.

The Germans, the Brits, the Brits.

Oh, hold on a second.

I got to play this from

the Brits first.

Listen to

Kier Starmer.

It's a plan to reverse decades of post-Cold War British military decline

and to send a message to Moscow after its invasion of Ukraine.

We are moving to war-fighting readiness.

When we are being directly threatened by states with advanced military forces, the most effective way to deter them is to be ready.

And we we've got to spend some money, everybody!

The UK will boost both stockpiles and weapons production capacity that could be scaled up if needed with at least six new munitions factories.

The plan includes building 12 new attack submarines and investing more in Britain's nuclear arsenal.

We are investing £15 billion in our sulfurine warhead programme to secure our deterrent for decades to come.

It's also a message to Washington.

Like other NATO members, the UK has been reassessing its defence spending since Donald Trump returned to the White House, threatening to pull away from Europe's defence.

Everything we do will add to the strength of NATO.

As we step up to take greater responsibility for our collective defence, the NATO alliance means something profound, that we will never fight alone.

The new announcements come after the UK pledged to raise defence spending to hit 2.5% of GDP by 2027 and 3% before 2034.

But it's unclear where the money will come from for the latter target.

As he juggles severely strained public finances, Starma has portrayed the higher defence spending as a way to create jobs and has already contentiously cut international aid spending.

General Smedley Butler said it best.

War is a racket, and I think in this case, except for the poor Ukrainians, we are going to be raising everybody's GDP by creating more war machines.

And it's going to be particularly good for the United States because we have helped and facilitated the fear that Russia is going to take over everything.

And Putin's the big, bad boogeyman, and we need to have more money.

And nothing proves it better than the ministers of defense all getting together in Brussels, talking about the new budgets, and led as always by the interestingly nose-touching, sniffing Mark Grutte.

NATO defence ministers are meeting in Brussels to lay the grounds for the summit in The Hague and also take key decisions to enhance our deterrence and defence.

We will also address our continued support for Ukraine and the urgent need for peace.

The world

is becoming more dangerous.

It's dangerous.

There's Russia's brutal war against Ukraine, the threat of terrorism, and intense global competition.

We will continue to protect our people and our way of life.

Now there's a bid coming.

So we must make NATO a stronger, fairer, and more lethal alliance.

At this ministerial, we are going to take a huge leap forward.

We will strengthen our deterrence and defence by agreeing ambitious new capability targets.

Oh, new capability targets.

What does that mean?

To deliver on our new targets, it's clear that we will need significantly higher defense spending.

that underpins everything yes more defense spending because if we defend defend it we will be better than the romans nato is the most powerful defense alliance in world history yes even more powerful than the roman empire powerpower so and more powerful than the napoleon empire we are the most powerful defense alliance in world in world history

number one but the defense alliance uh needs maintenance and needs investment needs maintenance if you want to be strong you need to maintain it and that's exactly why in nato we have this whole system, the NATO defense planning process, leading to an agreement on the capability targets.

That means that we will have

exact clarity on where we are and where should we be if we want to be able to defend ourselves not only today but also in three, five, seven years.

Listen to the German chief of defense who said this week on the record that within four or five years the Russians might be able to attack us.

Four or five years they come to attack us, the Russians are coming.

Well, I and all my colleagues want to prevent that because we want to stay free.

We value our way of life

and we don't want any form of Russian dominance over NATO-Turkey.

Okay, so we need to spend.

So all the ministers are together.

They're all talking about it.

And they're trying to...

Trying to put that 5% together with some fuzzy numbers.

And now this is very suspicious what's going on.

Now, the U.S., the Trump administration, has been demanding a 5% target that's way up from the existing 2% target.

Mark Ruotte has figured out a way to kind of fudge that.

His proposal on the table is that that would be a 3.5% target for hard military spending, tanks, ammunition, this type of stuff, and then an additional 1.5% on military adjacent spending,

which would be things like it could be cybersecurity, it could be investing in domestic infrastructure to make sure bridges are able to withstand the weight of tanks.

This has been

greeted cautiously, let's say, by the U.S.

administration.

And it could be that Trump shows up to that NATO summit at the end of the month and says, no, we need 5% hard spending.

Yeah, we definitely do.

And Pete Hagseth was very clear about it because he's also in Brussels.

It's very good to be here with Ambassador Whitaker.

I thought his remarks, statements, everything yesterday were spot on.

So thank you

for representing the United States.

And I don't think anybody has done more to advance the cause of strengthening NATO than President Trump.

And he started it in his first term calling for 2%, calling for investment in this alliance.

You've got to be, to be an alliance, you've got to be more than flags.

You've got to be formations.

You've got to be more than conferences.

You need to be

combat-ready capabilities.

He didn't quite have all the alliteration down, but he finally got there.

So we're here to continue the work that President Trump started, which is a commitment to 5% defense spending across this alliance, which we think will happen, which we think has to happen by the summit at The Hague later this month.

So that's our focus.

5%,

combat credible and capable forces, and then making sure NATO is focused on its core mission, continental defense, where its comparative advantage exists.

So we look forward to talking to counterparts today and advancing American interests, but also the interests of the continent.

5%.

That's just it.

5%.

And where is that going?

To us.

And Putin then gets to do his thing.

And Russia, well, you know, they're ramping up over there.

We need some more money.

Everyone's doing it.

You know, we just have to make sure no one goes crazy and pushes a button, but that behooves no one.

So to me, no peace until after the big splesh in The Hague.

And then miraculously,

we won't have a, we might have, what do they have, a North Carolina armistice?

Well, we do, we'll do something like that.

We won't have an actual actual peace agreement, I don't think.

This has always been about money.

It always is

the joke is

tanks.

I know.

Bridges.

The calendar.

You know, on the drones,

I got a really interesting...

short clips from

the War Room podcast.

This is not Banyon.

It's not Banyan.

Before you say that, I want to mention a meme that's been floating around, which is

it says

American aircraft carrier shows an aircraft carrier, big giant thing, one of the big ones.

Then it says French aircraft carrier shows one of the French aircraft.

It says Chinese, it shows a Chinese one.

Then it says Ukrainian aircraft carrier, and it shows a big rig, just a truck.

Well, a lot cheaper.

There's so many questions around that drone attack.

I love the aerial footage that is circulating,

which seems to be drone footage going over the destroyed bombers.

Some of them have five engines, some have three.

It's so obvious.

You still have the bombers?

Yeah, it's AI.

There's AI video floating.

Who knows what's even real anymore?

We can't tell.

We don't know.

We don't know.

But this completely explains

the drones over New Jersey.

And it's very interesting to learn from this Lieutenant

Lushenko.

Now, Lieutenant Lushenko, he is with the JCO.

Hold on a second.

I have him.

U.S.

Army Lieutenant Colonel serves as the chief strategist and director of future studies and war gaming for the Joint Counter Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems Office, known as the JCO.

So he's propagandist, obviously, but he's good.

It is different to think about homeland defense versus force protection of soldiers and coalition forces abroad.

In a recent exercise, what we found was that we are just out of position, frankly, in the homeland in terms of the kit, in terms of training, and in terms of policies and authorities, things as simple as how do we communicate across the interagency with the FAA, the Federal Aviation Administration?

How do we share information?

What does it mean to coordinate high-end jamming capabilities like counter-precision navigation and timing?

Yeah, you don't want to shut down a commercial aircraft because you're trying to take down a

tutor down drone.

The other thing, Tom, is that we lack...

And this is clearly stated and admitted by our senior leaders to include the Northern Command Commander, General Geho, and the Vice Chief of Staff in the Army.

We lack the ability to identify friend or foe at installations.

Domain awareness is a huge challenge for us.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Of course, we can't have Gene Neftuliev flying his drones around and not knowing if it's a Russian.

Oh, wait, he is a Russian.

And they're killer drones, too, and we sell them.

As it relates to friendly forces, I think we've had some marginal success, although we still lack kit, especially in the homeland, as it relates to the defeat of these capabilities.

And so the Jayco,

through its demonstration portfolio, we actually have no.

Demonstration portfolio.

Is that the sales brochure?

He loves talking like this.

I love this.

Through its demonstration portfolio, we actually have no authority to purchase anything.

We're influencing industry and joint force partners to buy stuff on our behalf.

But through that sort of process, we have encouraged the fielding of FS LIDS, fixed site,

low, slow, small unmanned aircraft system interceptor.

And that has sort of a KU KU-band radar coupled with a small form factor, less costly missile called the Coyote that has proliferated across Central Command based upon the threat there.

And indeed, President Trump during his recent trip to the Middle East agreed upon selling 15 or so of these capabilities to Qatar.

Sounds a lot like the drones that were used in Russia, honestly.

Autonomous, they got LiDAR, they got little bombs on them, perfect.

And lasers.

I got to ask, are we having success with lasers on UAS?

I hadn't heard that, and it sounds awfully Star Wars-ish.

So that's right.

I think we're in the beta testing phase at this point, right?

And so what I've seen from the initial reports from CENTCOM is we need to do a lot more work as it relates to that.

But at this point, we're really not wasting time and moving out quickly and smartly in concert with the Defense Innovation Unit on this.

In fact, there is a forthcoming executive order, or so I'm told, from the Trump administration, which is is

to energize the industrial base in the United States

to increase investment, not just for homeland defense, but also force protection in terms of these capabilities.

Money, money, money.

Yeah, force protection.

And by the way, we've done the beta testing.

It's also called war gaming.

So we recently ran the largest scale tabletop exercise for five years.

Tabletop.

By the way, drone operators, you will not be happy with what this guy is about to say.

The JCO that brought together 30 agencies as well as the White House, specifically the National and Homeland Security Councils, over 100 participants.

And the core objective that we pursue was trying to understand how the JCO could best enable U.S.

Northern Command to protect the homeland.

And from that, we came up with a series of five implementation decisions that we have briefed up through the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, General Mingus, who provides our governance at the joint force level.

And those things consist of recommendations for better coordination with the FAA for, again, jamming capabilities.

How do we coordinate in terms of sharing information and intelligence with our partners, optimizing the National Guard Bureau as we've talked about, and then further is shifting the legislation to have point-of-sale registration for small drones in homelands which can quickly identify friend from foe.

What's that, man?

A veritable license, if you will, for a small drone.

What he just said.

You'll need a license, a special license for a small drone.

I'm sure you will need your real ID to purchase it, and you're going into Palantir.

And so these things are really, really important because we have shifted the conversation on policy.

They're going to codify executive orders.

And indeed, representatives are now talking about things like how do we define an aircraft?

Right now, the law makes no distinction between a manned and unmanned aircraft, and soldiers are held liable for taking down a drone as if they took down a commercial airliner.

So that's the level that JCO is operating at.

Dude, dude, we are a war manufacturing country.

There's just no two ways about it.

And the more I think about this, and although I agreed with you on your initial reaction to initial response on the last episode, I think the Golden Dome will be significantly different from the Iron Dome.

The Iron Dome is a dome that keeps out, you know, long-range

and, you know, medium-range missiles, nuclear stuff, whatever, from Russia.

And the golden dome, that'll be like a thing that's internal.

I think it's going to be protecting us from drones and stuff on the inside.

This drone attack on Russia was no mistake.

It was a sales pitch.

It was a

capabilities demonstration, a tabletop exercise.

I don't know what you want to call it.

But this was meant to show us something that asymmetric warfare is here upon us, and we need money to do it.

I don't know.

The long presentation you just gave us.

I did not.

The presentation was like four minutes of those clips.

But okay.

Over to you, Bob.

It's an hour into the show.

What are you talking about?

I've given you plenty.

I was talking about four different topics.

I've kept long pauses for you to jump in.

Nothing to jump in on.

I didn't find it.

For one thing, the mission topic, which I've long since forgotten.

Let's play some TikTok videos.

That'll make you feel better.

The first topic, which I've long since forgotten, I can't remember.

You have to, I said that as a cue to remind me what you was, what was the, oh yeah, it was, no, I lost it again.

It was Elon Musk.

Yeah, Elon Musk.

I didn't think that was interesting.

And I'll tell you why, because, you know, like you said right at the beginning, your whole thesis was that the whole thing's a phony deal.

You are disconnected from the world, my friend.

People are flipping out over this thing.

It is top of the news.

It is what everyone is talking about, particularly our own people.

So you may not find it naked.

It's not interesting in Texas.

That's sure not mentioned.

It's not even brought up in the local news around here.

Wow.

Okay.

Well.

And

I will say Fox plays it up.

I don't even watch it.

I watched the whole thing this morning, the whole press conference with Trump, and I kind of agree that there's something's phony about it because Trump does say he said the one comment, which you didn't have a clip of, which is

Elon knew more about the big, beautiful bill than anybody here in the room.

He says.

Where's your clip?

I didn't think it was.

Where's my clip?

It's where it belongs.

I didn't find it interesting enough to carry any clips for it.

Well, I'm all ears for you.

But I'm backing your clips up by telling you some stuff that you didn't get clip, which is that,

which kind of to back your point up, your point is that this thing is fake.

Yes, but no one besides you and I see that.

Trust me.

And so, well, I thought it was so fake that I didn't even bother with it.

But I will say that Trump said that Elon knew, and why did he say that?

I don't know.

And thus, it was something just to tell people that, hey, don't worry about it.

The other thing is he says, I don't know if we're going to be friends anymore.

But he said that not in the way he normally takes on these guys.

When a guy turns on him, he usually calls him an idiot or something.

He gives him some acronym or gives him some nasty,

nasty, nasty him.

He didn't do that at all.

So the second part of my presentation came from our very own people, which was the Palantir thing, which you hadn't even heard of.

And that's also, that's.

No, I knew that.

No, I had heard of something because I got the same note you did about the guy from Palantir talking about how the whole thing is exaggerated and a crock of shit.

Thus, I didn't carry any clips for it because I just took his word for it because it was very credible.

All I'm doing is defending my so-called presentation of you saying it was boring and no good, and I took up all this time.

Well,

I never said it was boring and no good.

You can't find those words in my comment.

I just thought it was

long.

I'm waiting for you to launch into something.

I'm all ears.

Well, the topics are so disparate, considering you kept it into this.

My stuff is so different good that I I it's hard to jump into I mean I could do

I'll play I'll play one lone clip that's got nothing to do with anything else but I think it's the most important clip I have

which has nothing to do with any of this stuff you talked about or anything else we're going to talk about but I think this is phenomenal this is the Trump versus Columbia WOW clip the Trump administration is taking action against Columbia University saying the school violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act and therefore no longer meets the standards standards of the organization that accredits the university.

A press release from the Education Department says that its Office for Civil Rights and the Department of Health and Human Services Office for Civil Rights

determined that Columbia University acted with deliberate indifference towards the harassment of Jewish students since October 7th, 2023.

The Trump administration said today it has notified the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, the school's accreditor.

So, what does that mean?

They're going to be discredited

as a scholastic institution.

This is no slouch

of an idea.

And this has to do with Harvard.

Trump went after Harvard by first going after their money.

They got sued.

Then they went after Harvard by taking away all their foreign students.

They got 26% foreign students that pay full tilt to get into the place.

You know, they're getting sued over that.

Now, the real salvo, the one that's the shot over the bow is accreditation.

Yes.

This is the biggest possible thing, threat you can make to a university.

You lose accreditation, you might as well just close your shop.

Who hands out the accreditations?

There's a couple of groups that do it.

There's one in particular, which I think they're talking to.

I don't know the name of it offhand, but if you don't have accreditation as a university, you might as well close the doors.

So what that means that if I go to Cal and get, you know, take English there and I transfer over to someplace else,

and Cal's Cal's not accredited.

No, you got to start from scratch.

A no-agenda PhD will be worth more.

Yes.

This is telling us that the no agenda PhD is going to be worth as much as a Columbia degree if they lose their accreditation.

What does he want from them?

I'm sure

he wants some.

He wants them to.

He wants them.

I think

now that you manage to ask that simple question, I'm not absolutely sure anymore.

I mean, if it's

the endowments.

If it's the endowments, I get it.

I think the idea of taxing is a good one.

I also think there is the notion that I've pushed on this show, which is that all these colleges and universities do is crank out Democrat voters.

Yeah.

They're just kind of designed to do that and nothing else.

I think there may be something there.

I don't know.

But this is a big deal.

I'm sure there's meetings going on as we speak.

People that normally would be listening to the show, they're meeting about this.

This has got to be freaking everybody out.

Well, it's interesting because I got a note this morning from

the constitutional lawyer,

and this

may play into it.

The Supreme Court,

this is from Law 360s, Justices Nick's higher hurdle for heterosexual bias claims.

What?

Supreme Court, Nick's higher hurdle for heterosexual bias claims.

So I think this plays into it, maybe.

This is about Title VII,

and it was a heterosexual woman who claimed that the Ohio Youth Services Department discriminated against her because she is not LGBTQ plus.

And the Sixth Circuited ruled that heterosexuals must produce additional evidence demonstrating extra background circumstances in order to establish this prima facie case.

And LGBTQ plus employees did not bear this burden.

So SCODUS unanimously rejected the six-course rationale, which means this is not just for a sexual orientation.

This will mean that basically reverse racism is real and you can't do it.

That's what this decision is saying.

And I think this plays into a lot of these universities because they are,

all they do is reverse racism,

which is racism.

Which is racism.

Yeah, the term is bad.

It's a bad term.

Yes.

But people at least understand it.

And so a lot of this plays into it.

I don't know.

It's a question that we should try to figure out because this is this battle between...

The Trump administration and these big Ivy League colleges in particular.

Well,

first first of all,

the tuition fees are outrageous because of the basically free government money, which puts everybody into jail, into a debt jail, debtor's jail,

which you can't get out of.

Right.

You never

can do it that way.

Right.

Even with bankruptcy.

When they didn't have the free money,

these tuitions were reasonable.

Yeah.

And they have money.

through these large tax-free endowments, which are tax-free to use them and tax-free to donate to them, or they they create a tax advantage to donate to them especially if you can use that money for your own good on the on the back end yeah the endowments for this

so that would be a pro for the american people

and maybe they'll improve their education yeah well that's pretty amazing what are your harvard clips

Do I have Harvard clips?

Yeah, you have to.

I thought you were leading right into it.

I'm leading right into the Harvard clips, but just really not that connected.

This is just a follow-up on Trump versus Harvard, which I still think is the real target here.

Topic that has driven headlines for the last two months, Trump versus Harvard University.

The bout began in late March when a federal anti-Semitism task force said it would investigate Harvard's administrative and academic policies.

Trump let off his attack with accusations of the school not doing enough to combat anti-Semitism on campus, but also for continuing diversity, equity, and inclusion, or DEI, policies in its admissions, curriculum, and hiring.

He also alleged that Harvard is too left-wing and no longer prioritizes merit in higher education to the same degree it did in the past.

Trump followed up the barrage with a list of demands.

Those included a ban on masks, limits to campus protests, and a review of any potential biases in various academic departments.

The president also froze all federal funding to the university until his demands are met.

Harvard retaliated in April by saying it would not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional rights.

University has sued the Trump administration to unfreeze the billions in federal grant money that it could inevitably lose.

Harvard has argued that Trump is impeding its ability to conduct research important for the entire country, including medical breakthroughs and scientific discoveries.

Trump countered in May by directing the Department of Homeland Security, or DHS, to shut down Harvard's foreign student enrollment indefinitely.

DHS alleged Harvard was coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party.

What news outlet is this?

Ugh, I don't know.

It sounds like AI.

It does.

It could almost make it a little more exciting, at least.

So you see the four, it's possible after listening to this Columbia clip that Harvard's being set up.

Because Harvard keeps

deflecting.

No, no, no.

You're taking money away from medical research.

They got plenty of money.

You're taking

$400 million is nothing to Harvard.

Hold on a second.

Sorry.

Yeah, you dropped out.

$400 million is nothing to Harvard.

No, $400 million is nothing to Harvard when they have $50 billion sitting in the endowment and they can get money from it.

And the money is researched for drug companies that can easily spend that.

I mean, we had a list of the recently, I think we mentioned on the show, you know, these,

I think Pfizer, not Pfizer, but all the big boys, Johnson ⁇ Johnson being at the top of the list, I think they did 18 billion in profits in one year.

And so, and all these companies are in the billions and billions.

So the 400 million in research for something or other that's going to benefit a drug company can be picked up by the drug companies.

Why are we, the taxpayers, picking it up?

We're not getting benefited from it.

I mean, we're getting

kind of a benefit, but it's the drug companies that make the money off of it.

So what's the point?

I think they're maybe setting them up because if they're going to not do anything about the Jewish issue, they can pull the plug on their

population.

Yeah, that would be the big deal.

It's part two.

Most recently, though, the school defended its foreign enrollment, saying, quote, Harvard is not Harvard without its international students, end quote.

This has played out in court, as Sam indicated, with a judge this week extending a temporary block on DHS from preventing Harvard's enrollment of foreign students.

And the government has also given the school 30 days to respond to the Homeland Security Department's actions.

In terms of answering Trump's demands, Harvard has established task forces to investigate both anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic activities while also suggesting they would at least try to diversify political opinion on campus.

But will NDEI ban masks and submit to immigration authorities?

Unlikely.

Nonetheless, the federal funds are still frozen, and Harvard is not happy about that.

Well, just use your tens of billions of dollars in endowments, Trump says.

Harvard fired back, saying it is relying on all the interest that comes from those endowments being invested to fund the university.

As a business mobile, Trump knows that principle, right?

And that really gets down to the question, does Trump have the right to do this with federal funds?

Is it constitutional to punish a school or its students for their free speech, even if the president doesn't agree with that speech.

Trump's alleging that basically taxpayer money is funding DEI and left-wing thinking at one of the country's most elite universities.

On the other hand, Harvard is saying it has a constitutional right and needs the funding for critical research.

Critical research.

Yeah.

So those clips, you're right.

The guy's a boring presenter.

Yes.

If you want,

President Trump, the administration has taken away more money from the medical community, and

it brought out the spokesholes, who are usually doctors, to say that he's crazy.

Interested?

Of course, just checking.

In other vaccine news, the Trump administration has canceled the U.S.

government's contract with Moderna to develop a vaccine for bird flu.

The

strain of the avian flu arrived in the U.S.

in 2022, and it's led to the deaths of of over 170 million birds, resulting in a nationwide spike in egg prices.

Get ready, because Dr.

Vin Gupta is going to tell you why it's nuts.

No, last year, broke.

It's a big eggs thing again.

Oh, no, it gets better.

Oh, no.

Eggs?

That's just the beginning.

The flu infected more than 1,000 herds of cattle, as well as 70 people.

Although this strain is not yet highly contagious for humans, infectious disease experts worry the next pandemic could indeed come from an avian flu.

So, Dr.

Gupta, we have seen this administration slash funding for so much in the way of research and development, including people thought was very promising HIV treatments, vaccines there.

And now this avian flu, give us your sense on this one because as just we just said, there are experts who think the next big, terrible pandemic might come from exactly this.

The big, terrible pandemic is the, I guess that's the counterweight to the big, beautiful bill.

We've got to throw something out there.

Next big, terrible pandemic might come from exactly this.

What's the point here?

Why are they doing this?

Why?

Why are they doing it?

Again, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure if this is even consistent with President Trump's view of wise investments in biomedical research.

Remember, Operation Warp Speed, probably his signature achievement.

Don't you love that?

Like, that like having a Moderna contract is a wise investment in medical research.

And like, really?

During the COVID pandemic and in his first term.

So, this is this is, I wonder how much he's clued into exactly what's happening here because this is i don't think he's

trump twice i'm sorry i don't think he's scammed trump twice he was scammed operation warp speed you know the joke of that of course is that he they you know he he buys into the whole thing lets them go off on their merry way with government money and then they hold back until after the election

to make sure biden gets in that's that's a thank you very much and in his first term so this is this is i'm i i wonder how much he's clued into exactly what's happening here because it's not his stuff even from his

prior precedence.

This doesn't really make any sense.

And so for the, for all your viewers out there to keep in mind, what, what, what's happening is there's a promising phase one, phase two, early stage vaccine candidate for avian flu.

And it's bird flu that is changing exactly as you point out, Jonathan, right before our eyes.

It went from birds to cattle to mountain lions.

I mean, this thing is changing.

Mountain lions.

It went from birds to cattle to mountain lions.

Humans are next.

What happened to the bats and the pangolins?

Changing exactly as you point out, Jonathan, right before our eyes.

It went from birds to cattle to mountain lions.

I mean, this thing is changing at a speed we haven't seen before.

And so, yes, exactly.

We're worried that the next pandemic is not a matter of if, but when.

And it's likely going to be flu that's changing.

Flu that's changing.

I'm telling you.

By the way, President Trump is truthing.

He's truthing.

As we speak?

As we speak.

Here, two truths.

The easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts.

I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it.

Elon was wearing thin.

I asked him to leave.

I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted.

He knew that for months, and I knew I was going to do it.

And he just went crazy.

Come on.

Well, back to the bird flu.

Yeah.

So I have to bring back a uh

this is a reminiscence, but this is by now.

I have a bunch of clips from Thomas Massey.

He was on.

Oh, yeah.

He's also, he's also, he's mad.

He's mad.

He was on the uh, this guy's show, this Brit W I got WMS.

It's uh

I can't remember what the WMS?

Yeah, well, that's the guy.

He's uh It's William or Bill or something, something MS.

I had to go look him up.

It's on a piece of notepad.

But this guy's got a podcast.

We're supposed to do more podcasting stuff, and we're doing it.

We are.

And Massey has a story about the COVID vaccine

and

the, which I don't know if we've heard in these words so much because he did an investigation.

He had a committee on it

about how it got

its authorizations and all the rest of it.

And

I think it's good to follow that bird flu clip with this.

If the tariffs increase the prices, they're going to be annoyed by that.

But I think the ideas behind tariffs, which even Trump would probably agree with, it's not going to be an easy start, but eventually they want to get to a place where people have more money because the industries are back in America.

But what if we're not good at making socks?

What clip are you playing?

Massey on W.

Well, it says WMS Massey, and it says on socks.

I mean, I don't know what you're doing.

You don't have Massey COVID?

I was looking at WMS.

That was the clue you gave me.

It says WMS on that clip, too.

WMS, at the end of my clip.

I got it.

But you must know this.

At the end of the clip, I put a code that tells me where the clip came from.

Right.

Like BBC, or I put

MTD.

Okay.

I'll tell you exactly how this happened.

You have two clips, Massey on committees.

Massey is all uppercase, which to me means important.

No.

No.

To me.

And then underneath that,

so when my eye goes down the list.

No, I understand how it happens.

It's a long list.

These clips lists are long and people don't understand what a mess this, you know, the back end of the show is.

I'm surprised you spelled Massey right.

So now this is true, too.

Let me play the right clip.

Well, wait, before you do that,

well, the Sox clip is interesting, but it's not got nothing to do with COVID.

I see, it's literally,

it's my parsing of the list.

It is all on me.

That's on me, bro.

My bad.

Here we go.

Okay, here we go with you, bad.

And this is

the discussion.

This is, I don't know.

After you play this clip, tell me if we knew this.

Okay.

Well, something good happened this week, actually.

And I think it's because of RFK Jr.

being the head of the Health and Human Services.

Under the Biden administration, the scientists, the vaccine scientists at the FDA were pressured to skip steps, ignore data,

skip the step where a review panel, outside review panel, reviews their authorization.

Emergency authorization use.

Yeah.

This was for the,

so they needed to go from emergency use to a full licensure in order to mandate the vaccine.

And so the scientists were told that they needed to take the political position and to accelerate the full approval process, not just the EUA.

And the scientists were also told, you need to do an EUA for the boosters.

And the scientists pressed back and said, we need more time to give it the full licensure.

And

we don't think everybody needs a booster.

That was the top vaccine scientist, Marion Gruber at FDA,

and her deputy, Philip Krause.

They were forced out of the FDA under the Biden administration and left mysteriously under a cloud, didn't say a lot.

I brought them in.

I was chairman of a subcommittee on regulatory reform.

I brought them in each for five hours, deposed them, found out that their boss, Peter Marks, was the bad guy.

Because after he pushed them out, he took their job as responsibilities himself and approved the vaccine.

He wasn't even a vaccine scientist.

He was like their manager.

And instead of replacing them, he took their job and just got it done.

And

he left the FDA this week.

And

by the way, after deposing them, I held a hearing.

and called one of them as a witness and some other people as witnesses and exposed what had happened.

And I was frustrated that this man, Peter Marks, was still at the FDA, but now he's gone this week.

Was he at the FDA or the CDC?

I thought it was, yeah, maybe it was FDA.

Do we know?

And did we know that story?

Not like that.

I do recall, I do recall Peter Marks all of a sudden moving to the forefront.

But no, man, there's so much that happened back then.

It's all scammish.

Oh,

what?

Well,

and it's still going on with this bird flu nonsense.

Well, and with the clip you just played.

Yeah.

I mean, if that doesn't sound like another setup for just wasting taxpayers' money and then suckering people into getting a shot that they don't need,

I don't know what is.

Well, there's a lot of...

And why don't they take this?

Why has there been nothing done?

There's a big backlash going on about the fact that Kennedy has not pulled the COVID

RNA shots off the market.

Yes, here is Jensaki.

So it turns out running a vast science-based healthcare bureaucracy is a lot harder than being an eccentric Nepo baby who feeds conspiracy theories to get attention.

Eccentric Nepo baby.

I thought that was pretty good.

She's done too, by the way.

You know, her ratings are off of, she took over Rachel's slot.

And her numbers are down 47%.

They're going to get rid of her.

Well,

they've rolled out their new lineup, actually.

The new lineup, and she's already been reduced to four days a week.

Here is the promo for the briefing.

MSNBC's Jensaki, host of the briefing.

We've never experienced a moment like this in our country, and it leaves us all with a choice.

Are we going to speak out or are we going to be pressured into silence?

I've worked for presidents.

I've faced the tough questions from the press and even threats from the Kremlin.

And if there's one thing I've learned, it's that you can't cower to bullies.

You don't need to be hopeless.

We have our voices, and I will continue using mine.

The briefing with Jen Saki Tuesday through Friday at 9 p.m.

Eastern on MSNBC.

They're promoting her.

They're trying to get her some viewership.

She's toast.

Yeah.

So they are continuing with the COVID fear-mongering.

We have a summer spike.

This comes summer.

We have a summer spike.

It's that beta thing.

A new COVID variant has health experts paying close attention.

The NB181 is spreading quickly in other parts of the world.

It has been tracked in several states, including Virginia.

The state epidemiologist is not sounding the alarm.

We've built up a lot of immunity to COVID.

Although there's no reason to believe this variant will lead to more severe illness than previous variants, she says it will likely cause an increase in summer cases.

She recommends getting vaccinated, especially if you are in a more vulnerable group.

I think what I think about with any vaccine, but particularly a COVID vaccine, or including the COVID vaccine, I should say, is that we want those people who are most vulnerable to more severe complications, hospitalization, even death, that they are the ones that are protected.

And that includes the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions.

U.S.

Health Secretary Robert F.

Kennedy Jr.

just removed the COVID vaccine CDC recommendations for healthy pregnant women and healthy children, prompting the CDC doctor who oversees recommendations to resign.

Ooh, well, that's good.

Rats are leaving the ship.

Who do they want resigning?

Some CDC director resigns.

Let me see.

Director resigns.

This is.

Here we go.

Reuters.

Oh, well.

Pediatric Infectious Disease Expert Dr.

Lakshmi.

Lakshmi.

Did we even hear of Lakshmi?

Well, now now we have.

Well, he resigned of a CDC working group that advises outside experts.

So

that report was somewhat specious, as you would say.

Maybe a good time to remind people that if you hear the following type of

language in your mainstream media, your M5M,

that means that they've finally gotten there.

This is a little throwback or callback to where we we were.

We want to make sure that people can discern the truth from the misinformation.

And we want to make sure that everyone understands that no one's safe until everyone's safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

Nobody's safe.

No one is safe.

Nobody is safe.

That's not post-9/11 axiom.

Safer, but not yet safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe from COVID-19 until everyone is safe.

If the whole world isn't safe, none of us are safe.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

Nobody is safe.

Until we're all safe.

Health experts have been saying nobody is safe.

Nobody is safe until everybody is safe.

Nobody's safe.

What a psyop when you think about it.

The whole idea that everyone has to be vaccinated because an unvaccinated person can hurt a vaccinated person.

It was so unbelievable.

I remember us just at the time going like, what is this logic?

If this thing is safe and effective, then it doesn't matter if someone's unvaccinated next to you.

But no, nobody's safe till everybody's safe.

Science is clear.

None of us are safe.

There is no safety.

No one is safe.

No one is safe.

We're going to say no one is safe until everyone is safe.

No one's safe.

Nobody is safe.

Nobody's safe.

No one's safe.

Never be safe.

You're never going to be safe.

99.5% of people are safe and will survive COVID-19.

The only positive thing out of this is we should be able to manufacture a lot of vaccines.

Nobody will be safe if not everybody is vaccinated.

You don't have a choice.

As long as not everybody is vaccinated, nobody will be safe.

Normalcy only returns when we walk.

Well, I can't go through the whole thing.

It's triggering.

Sounds like it goes on for days.

Oh, it goes on another minute and a half.

I don't think we need to hear it.

It's in the show notes.

Everyone can listen to it at their own leisure.

And then one of the things that we got excoriated for

was pregnant women and menstrual cycles and all of this stuff.

And this

OBGYN doctor,

Dr.

James Thorpe, I think this was one of those Ron Johnson small room in the Capitol.

Did the fake deal?

Yeah.

Like, I'm going to go testify before Congress.

Yeah, I'm going to go testify before Congress.

Wait, what room is this?

In the gym at this Washington High School.

Here he is.

This deception was institutionalized in the now infamous Shima Bakuro study published on April 21st, 2021, in the digital version of the New England Journal of Medicine.

21 authors claimed the miscarriage rate was 12.6%, but the raw data revealed an 82% miscarriage rate.

Remember that when people were like, you don't know, you don't understand the numbers, you're not seeing it right, it's not 80%, it's 12%, it's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Rate with 12.6%, but the raw data revealed an 82% miscarriage rate in women vaccinated during the first trimester.

This figure mirrors the effects of chemical abortion drugs such as RU486.

Also, in the same journal edition, on the same day, an op-ed appeared by CDC director Rochelle Walinski and journal editor-in-chief Eric Rubin.

These publications were riddled with conflicts of interest and deliberate misrepresentations intended to coerce pregnant women into taking vaccines.

Subsequent studies have also claimed that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective during pregnancy and have been rebuked by respected researchers.

These These publications are fundamentally compromised by serious conflicts of interest, ranging from biased funding sources and institutional mandates, and even threats to their medical licenses and board certifications.

Between 2020 and 2022, pharmaceutical companies paid $1.06 billion

to reviewers at leading medical journals, the New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA, Lancet, and BMJ, who are discriminating the peer review process.

At least six existing studies, three from CDC FDA, and two from Pfizer, revealed major breaches in safety signals for COVID-19 vaccines and pregnancy.

Well, well, well.

Well, can we just play a clip in the last show about

from one of the networks pushing the COVID vaccine on pregnant women?

Oh, well, if you want to hear NPR, I'm happy to play it for you.

This is new.

The Trump administration is making it more difficult for healthy children and healthy pregnant women to get the COVID vaccine.

And that is worrying.

How is it more difficult?

How is he making it more difficult?

You walk in, you say, I want the shot.

They make it sound like

I have to go to a back alley.

It's coat hanger time once again.

No, no, not at all.

Healthy pregnant women to get the COVID vaccine.

And that is worrying parents, younger adults, and pregnant women who still want the shot.

NPR health correspondent Robstein spoke to the colours.

They want the shot.

They want the shot.

They get the shot.

Yes.

Rauren Capeti was relaxing with her husband at their home in Cincinnati when she heard about the new recommendations for who should get a COVID vaccine.

I was sitting on my couch watching the news.

I was just like, what is happening?

I started crying.

I was like, they're not recommending it for pregnant women anymore.

And I was like, is it really like?

I was crying because I wanted so much.

I was crying.

I was crying.

This is a bogus report.

Y'all, Y'all, really?

What's happening?

Like, am I not going to be able to get this vaccine?

I'm not going to be able to get this vaccine.

No one said that.

Why?

Why?

Why?

Why?

Why?

Why?

Absolutely terrifying.

Terrifying.

By the way, it's absolutely terrifying, John.

So the whole premise is bogus.

The whole premise is false.

And where did they get that from?

Probably from NPR.

Why?

Why?

That's absolutely terrifying.

Terrifying because the 30-year-old Ohio State worker is about five months pregnant, but the CDC is no longer recommending the shots for healthy pregnant women.

I don't want to get COVID while I'm pregnant.

I don't want it to hurt my child.

I don't want to have a premature birth.

I just know that there's complications that come along with it, so that does scare me.

She also knows that the only way to protect her newborn baby is by getting vaccinated herself.

Not only does it protect me while I'm pregnant, but it does help the child once they're born in their first few months of life when they have zero immunity to it whatsoever.

So, you know, that's important to me.

I want my child to have access to that.

This NPR program is brought to you by Pfizer and people like you.

Isn't that incredible?

With all the little inserts.

Oh, yeah.

She doesn't want something to happen to her baby.

I like the fact that she's in tears.

There's more.

And Rachel Sampler Zeliah is worried too.

She's 42 and lives in Cottage Grove, Minnesota.

This guy has a swish.

He has lost siblings and he can't breathe through his nose.

Her six-year-old daughter has asthma, so she wants to keep getting herself, her husband, and their two other healthy kids vaccinated to protect her, too.

But the new policies could make it harder for the rest of the family.

This is exactly.

This is

propaganda, indoctrination, untruth coming from the national public radio.

It's not harder to get it.

It's shameful.

Shameful.

In fact, we learned that insurance companies still cover it, will continue to cover it.

So it's just not true.

I'm angry.

Angry, frustrated.

And she's not just angry and frustrated because she's worried about Proton.

Your daughter, she wants to shield the whole family.

It's not just a cold.

It affects the vascular system, the neurological system, the immune system.

Oh, you mean the shot or the COVID itself?

I'm confused.

And even mild cases have the potential to develop into long COVID.

You know, the brain fog, the memory, the fatigue.

We vaccinate for far less.

And this is definitely a disease to me that needs to be vaccinated for.

She says suddenly having to worry about the vaccines again feels like a flashback to the early days of the pandemic.

Feels like we are going back in time again to that same place where there's not a whole lot that I can do to protect my kids.

So they're recalling trauma of the listener by recalling the trauma of this poor woman who has clearly been traumatized and is being abused for this piece.

Federal officials say the changes make sense because so many people have so much immunity now.

They also question the safety of the vaccines, even though billions of people have gotten the shots.

Many experts say that demonstrates the vaccines are very safe and effective for everyone.

Wow.

Billions of people got it.

Not everybody died.

Safe and effective.

Competi, Hoskins, and Zelaya know they will probably still be able to get the shots by paying for them for themselves.

But all the uncertainty and changing rules makes them anxious.

Here's Competi again, the pregnant woman from Ohio.

Yeah, I'm just worried that if we're losing access to

COVID vaccines, and I don't know if other things are going to get taken away.

Yeah, I'm just scared.

I'm just scared.

I don't know.

I don't know what's happening.

Man, oh man, oh, man.

This is a salvo.

This is a salvo clip.

This is one of those clips where they use bull crap like we're afraid about access.

Yeah.

This is to keep them from banning the vaccine completely.

Yes.

So, okay, the vaccine is going to be around, and Kennedy's promised he's not going to mess with vaccines.

And sure.

And he wants to get rid of them up.

No, no, no, no, no.

They're doing

well.

I mean, this is we're stronger than you, Kennedy.

This is

big pharma.

They're also doing.

Well, if you want to hear the attack from the fluoride industry, because

this is the same report everywhere in the country.

A recent study published in JAMA Health Forum shows that if all 50 states stopped adding fluoride to tap water, about one in three kids could expect a cavity within the next five years.

We'll be like England.

Everyone will have rotten teeth in America.

No.

So, how important is fluoride in our overall dental health?

Our sources to answer this: the American Dental Association, family physician Dr.

Carla Robinson, and cardiologist Dr.

Pyle Coley.

Cardiologists?

Cardiologists?

The FDA's new plan is to phase out fluoride supplements you eat or drink, not products like toothpaste or mouth rinses.

Both doctors highlight the role it can play in our daily care.

You know, fluoride is really important to protect our teeth because it does sort of two things.

It prevents demineralization of our teeth and it also helps with remineralization of our teeth.

It helps with demineralization of our teeth, but also with remineralization of our teeth.

Hey John, you studied chemistry.

What's going on here?

I have no idea.

Prevents demineralization of our teeth.

There's a little gotcha in here that is, I'm sure you'll catch it.

And it also helps with remineralization of our teeth.

We all utilize fluoride, either whether it's in our toothpaste or

in our drinking water, or for some who it's not available in their drinking water, maybe supplements.

The American Dental Association says that if you're living somewhere that doesn't have fluoride in the drinking water, you probably need a fluoride supplement.

But when it comes to children, what amount of fluoride is considered safe?

Robinson mentions that while it can be dangerous in large amounts, it can cause

problems with the teeth, ironically, when used in higher amounts

than recommended, or it can also cause problems with the bones.

The amount of fluoride that we're typically exposed to in our drinking water or in our toothpaste is so far beyond

that, so beneath that level.

And so, in general, fluoride and regular

what did she just did?

The truth just come out there.

The fluoride in our water is so far beyond,

I mean, below what?

Recommended, or it can also cause problems with the bones.

The amount of fluoride that we're typically exposed to in our drinking water or in our toothpaste is so far beyond

that, so beneath that level.

And so, in general, fluoride and red.

So, it's a usage issue.

It's yeah, I know what you're saying, but I think the way she put it is, I think is legal.

But she corrected it.

Then, why did she correct it?

Well,

there's a point to be made with that.

But the bones, the amount of fluoride that we're going to be making.

By the way, for anyone who wants to know,

so one of the nasty, nasty chemicals is hydrofluoric acid.

You know, you know, there's sulfuric acid, there's hydrochloric acid, there's nitric acid, which nitric acid is pretty nasty too, if you're dealing with it in the lab.

You get one small speck of it on you, and it turns your skin yellow and kind of burns you.

Hydrofluoric acid is a little different.

Hydrofluoric acid, if you get it on you, it goes right through your skin.

It just goes right to the bone and starts eating your bone.

It starts dissolving your bones

right from the outset.

A very nasty product.

Don't be around it.

Isn't that what those Russian hitmen use to get rid of the body?

No.

In the bathroom?

They use lime.

I think everyone uses lime.

Lime or lie?

Lyme.

It's impractical to use use hydrofluoric acid.

It's used, the only business that uses it is the semiconductor industry.

It uses the clean

chip.

I think

wafers and things need to be cleaned with it.

So only thing that will clean them properly.

And it's a real problem.

It's a waste issue.

Rid of this.

Is that why they put it in the water to get rid of it?

Well,

most of the hydro

or the

fluoride in water comes from the

waste from

aluminum manufacturing.

It's a waste product and it's hard to get rid of.

And for some of the reasons I just mentioned, it's a nasty thing that if you get like a drop of hydrofluoric acid on you, it just starts eating your bones.

Yeah, put it in the water.

So let's drink it.

Drinking water or in our toothpaste is so far beyond

that, so beneath that level.

And so in general, fluoride in regular normal applications is very safe to use and doesn't really put you at risk for those complications.

I think this is such a big win because we've been talking about fluoride in the water since the day this show started.

And it was probably the second half of the show.

These nuts are talking about fluoride in the water again.

It's crazy.

What are they thinking?

What are they doing?

Yeah, I think so.

I don't think it was the second half of the show.

I think we did.

We have talked about it, but I think it was the first half of the show.

Okay.

All right.

It wasn't.

the second half of the show, it was all flying saucer stuff,

which is a lot of people miss, myself included.

I don't have because it's bull crap, all of it's bull crap.

All of a sudden, you've changed from meeting.

You met, you were gonna meet some guy.

I remember this, this is like in the third year of the show.

I can say you're gonna meet an alien, he's gonna be meeting you somewhere in the Midwest or someplace.

You went to the house, he didn't show up, he didn't show up.

No, it was in it was in the north of Holland.

Oh, it's in the north of Holland.

You're gonna meet some some guy who's an alien that just came off a ship.

He's going to talk to you and tell you the cheat, tell you what was going on.

He never showed up.

Exactly.

So now do you understand why I'm saying it's all bull crap?

All of it.

Yeah.

Zero-point energy.

I've wasted so many years of my life on this.

That's one of my favorite.

I've wasted so many years of my life on this.

Perpetual motion.

Well, no, but the other favorite one of you, not I'm not here to ridicule you.

No, okay.

But yeah.

there's always a big but there's a big but

the thing you had a Rolls-Royce or something in your heyday and you were going to put water.

He's going to use water for fuel.

No, no, no, no, that was the Jaguar and I the hydro booster.

Yeah, and it's just going to get water in there and the water's and you got, and you went on and on about how much great your gas mileage was.

That was true.

And again, I drove from the UK to the Netherlands, to the east of the Netherlands, to have a hydro booster installed.

And it did.

I did get good, better, better gas mileage

by

putting

water in the gas.

No.

No,

it was hydrolysis, and it created boom.

What is that stuff?

What do you get from it?

Boom, what is that stuff?

What is that stuff?

Boom, what is that stuff?

Hydro, hydro stuff.

You know, boom, that stuff.

Yeah.

Hydrazine.

No, not hydrazine.

No, it was the.

Come on.

When you, when you, when you.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

When you put electricity into water, you get hydrolysis.

Electrolysis.

Electrolysis.

And then what comes out of it is...

Hydrogen.

Hydrogen, exactly.

And I was putting that straight into the carburetor.

The car went fast.

And then, and it saved gas.

It's true.

Somewhere.

Do you ever wonder what happened to cars you had?

I have no idea what happened to that car.

I only know the Rolls-Royce.

I know what happened to the Rolls-Royce.

I don't know anything, any of my cars.

I have no idea where they went.

Did I sell them?

Did I get rid of them?

Did I drop them by the side of the road?

Well, I can tell you the Rolls-Royce is accounted for.

We had a person when I lived at another house in the same town here.

There was an old lady living on the corner and she was a kind of crazy old lady.

And

the house was located next to the railroad tracks.

And she had, and it used to be a bootlegger's place in the 30s.

And the trains would stop at the, right in front of this house and offload a bunch of liquor.

And this house would look like a warehouse anyway.

It was pretty much an empty house, but it had a lot of, it was just a weird situation.

The place was eventually torn down.

That was the end of it.

But in the garage, right there at that house was a 1920s, 1930s Rolls-Royce.

Oh, that was, they never took out.

I got to see it once.

Mint.

I got to peer in to see it.

I talked to some Rolls-Royce guys, and there was a Rolls-Royce guy somewhere along the lines because there was a thing going on in the Berkeley area called Morehouse, which was a cult.

And everybody in the cult had to have a Rolls-Royce.

It was part of the cult.

Oh, and

they drive around these Rolls-Royces.

There were a bunch of them in Berkeley because there was a bunch of cultists here.

And so I ran into some Rolls-Royce expert, and he was part of some club.

He says, oh, yeah, yeah, every Rolls-Royce in the world is accounted for.

And he knew the car in that garage.

Yes, every Rolls-Royce.

So your car is accounted for by the Rolls-Royce folk.

I know where it went.

That one I know.

But my first car, Volkswagen Beetle 1303,

I don't remember.

The Volvo 2.

I don't remember.

What would you?

The Volvo 142?

I don't remember.

It had a Volvo 142.

You had a funky looking one?

That was my mom's car, which I inherited.

No, it was the big box, but it had the lawnmower engine in it.

Oh, it was the boxy Volvo?

It was a huge boxy Volvo.

And then I had the Volkswagen 1303.

And,

gosh, I don't remember.

I think I had a Mitsubishi after that.

I had a Mitsubishi turbo.

It had big turbo sign on the back, which was really gay, really.

It was like,

it was,

it was wrong.

It was so wrong.

And I mean gay in the old school sense of the the word.

Yeah.

Well, we don't care, actually, on this show.

No.

And, gosh, but I don't remember.

I mean, you had a lot of cars.

Oh, I had a Buick Skylark with an eight track in it with the T-top roof.

That was my favorite car.

It had eight cylinders, but usually if you were idling, only six of them worked.

That was one of my favorites.

There was an engine General Motors had for a while that when you were driving it, it would go to four.

It has an eight, but it would use four cylinders.

Yeah, that was a thing for a while.

It was probably in the 70s for a while.

Yeah, well, it's all because of global cooling.

Yes.

All right, enough reminiscence.

Right.

Well, people love our stories, John.

They come for the deconstruction.

They stay for the stories about hydroxy boosters and aliens.

Come on, man.

We just gave everybody everything they want.

So back to Massey.

I have some more clips from him if you want to hear.

Yeah, of course I do.

Thomas Massey, the guy you mentioned earlier in the show as a sellout or

Trumper.

Well, I don't know.

He's got his reasons, and I have a couple of reasons.

He's principled, is what he is.

He's principled.

And I think totally.

I think he's right.

It's explained in these clips.

But at the same time, there is a he does have a flaw in his thinking.

I'm sorry.

People are just saying, our new exit strategy is car talk.

That's it, baby.

We're reviving the show.

We'll be on NPR stations everywhere soon.

So he does have a.

I think this was a mistake.

This is Massey.

This is the Mesox clip that you tried to play earlier.

He actually implies that Americans are dumb, and then he figures out that he said that and he corrects himself.

Listen to this.

If the tariffs increase the prices, they're going to be annoyed by that.

But I think the ideas behind Tariffs, which even Trump would probably agree with, it's not going to be an easy start, but eventually they want to get get to a place where people have more money because the industries are back in America.

Aaron Powell.

But what if what if we're not good at making socks?

What if we're better at growing potatoes in this country than we are at making socks?

Should, you know, when you go to Walmart, should you be, through tariffs, induced to buy socks that weren't made as well or

as ones made in China or made or were made more costly versus being able to go in and buy your potatoes that were made in America because more of our effort was put toward things we're good at

or things that we can.

Maybe we're good at everything.

I don't want to discourage any industry.

Yes, exactly.

Who are you, Thomas Massey?

We're great at making socks.

We made gold toast socks forever here

in this country.

And then they shipped them off to Mexico.

They're all made in Mexico now.

They're not as good.

Our socks were so good that it was the number one Christmas gift from your grandma.

We gave each other socks because our socks were great.

How hard is it to make a card?

I found that disappointing.

Disappointing.

Yeah, well,

he talked himself into a bunch.

You know what?

That's because of the Brit.

All of a sudden, he thinks he's.

I had a...

Where was this?

I had a.

Okay, this another anonymous boots on the ground.

I was at a training with a federal agency during part of the class who watched a short video of Robert Cialdini's Principles of Persuasion.

In addition to the principles, the instructor pointed out a subtle principle the video used.

The narrator had a British accent.

The instructor stated that Americans tend to find British accents pleasing to hear, and we think that people who speak with a British accent are smart.

Therefore, we tend to put more stock or socks in what they are saying.

Fact.

So Massey was probably sitting there thinking, I'm here with an intelligent guy.

We don't know how to do it.

Well, this is this guy.

This is the

WMS William Marshall.

I'm sorry, Winston, Winston, Winston Marshall.

Winston.

Wow.

Okay.

So that's the Winston Marshall podcast.

So now this is the thing.

We've talked about this on the show before, but I want to remind everybody, people seem to forget it, that if you're on a hot committee, one of the better committees in Congress, you have to pay, you have to pay dues.

Like a million bucks, at least.

It can be a million bucks at the ways and means.

That's the top committee, according to Massey.

And

here's his stories on this.

By the way, Massey doesn't, he gets charged.

He's on some committee.

He's not on the A committee like he puts it.

He's an A, B, and C committee.

And he says, and you look at who's on the C committees, you can see who's probably more honest.

You never heard of any of them.

He got a bill.

He talks about getting the bill.

He doesn't say it in this clip, but he never, he never, he refused to pay.

He never paid his committee fees?

Nope.

Oh,

okay.

Here we go.

This onion that

people don't fully appreciate.

I didn't know it existed until I got here.

When I got here,

a lobbyist wanted to have a meeting with me, and I took the meeting, and my fundraiser was there.

This is a woman who helps me raise money.

She said, you should take this meeting.

And I had no idea what the meeting was about.

And they said,

they opened the meeting and said, you're a talented individual.

You're a smart guy.

You went to MIT.

You shouldn't be wasting your time on these committees you're on.

You need to get on the Ways and Means Committee.

And my friends and I will

raise you the money that's required to get you on the Ways and Means Committee, which, by the way, is like half a million or a million dollars.

What's the Ways and Means Committee?

It's the tax committee.

Okay.

See,

and it's considered probably the most powerful committee because there's because we don't have a flat tax.

We don't have a flat tariff.

It's because we have all these variations and deductions and exemptions.

And everybody's here trying to get one of those.

And if you're on that committee, you know, well, I'm, for instance, on the Transportation Committee.

So you can imagine the concrete lobbyists would be interested, right?

Or the airplane manufacturers might be interested.

But guess who's interested in the tax committee?

Everybody.

It's not like a subset of America America that's interested in that committee.

Everybody's interested in that committee.

And so all the lobbyists are prone to donating to people on that committee.

So if you hold one of those committee seats, you're supposed to collect the money from those lobbyists that are interested in the subjects that come in front of your committee and give it to the party.

And there's a dues

system here.

When I first got here and they went to the trouble of sending me the bill, it was $300,000 every election cycle.

I was supposed to give the party for the privilege of serving on these committees.

Right.

Well, that's, we knew this.

It was fun to hear him say it.

Yeah, we know we knew this.

Not everybody that listens to the show heard it before.

I just wanted to remind him that this is a scam.

Well, he didn't pay for it.

I think that's what's interesting.

No, he said, no, I'm not paying it.

I think it never paid.

But they won't put him on a higher-end committee.

They keep him on these, you know, transportation committees.

In one of the clips, he talks about foreign affairs is the lowest of the lowest, the low committee.

If people look, look up who's on the foreign affairs committee, and you'll see a bunch of guys that probably don't pay anything either, including Nancy Mace, who's on that one.

Oh, really?

But here's the second half of this clip.

It was $300,000 every election cycle.

I was supposed to give the party for the privilege of serving on these committees.

And they say it's legal because the committees aren't in the Constitution.

So they believe it's something that they can extract rent from.

And because this is all happening within Congress,

Congress isn't going to make a law to stop it.

So they charge you rent for the committees you're on.

And if you want to be on a really lucrative committee, you have to pay higher rent.

And you don't go back home.

You know, I'm from Kentucky.

I can't go back home and sit in somebody's living room and do a fundraiser with 20 people who

like being represented by me, like what I stand for, and tell them, well, I'm going to need you all to get out your wallets and write me a $5,000 check because this ain't free.

It's not cheap to be on the Ways and Means Committee.

You're going to have to donate money to me just so I can be on a committee.

I think Americans would revolt.

you know, the kind that you do a fundraising in their living room with.

They would reject that out of hand.

But you can do that with lobbyists.

The lobbyists know that's the game that's played.

And so you,

you know, if the lobbyists like what you're doing for them on that committee, they're inclined to help pay your dues.

But what,

and there's no way you're going to raise half a million dollars back home in living rooms to pay your rent on the Ways and Means Committee.

You have to get it from the lobbyists who have interests in front of the Ways and Means Committee.

But by the time you've done that, now you feel obligated to those people.

Yeah,

yes, that is the system.

Yeah, it goes on with more details, but it's all unnecessary.

People need to know this is going on so you can see what's what.

So the Dutch government collapsed.

Yes, yes.

Mimi, I was talking to her about it, and she says, Oh my God, how did this happen?

This is unbelievable.

What's going to happen?

What's going to happen?

I think

this happens.

So

when I heard this,

which is good.

The guy quit, I think, didn't he?

Just walk out.

Well, no.

And this report will not explain it,

but there's a little thing in here.

So Keird Wilders is,

if you remember, the far-right Trump of the Netherlands.

He's the guy that's been under constant protection for the past 15 years because of his anti-his Islamophobia.

Because he's like, we got to stop.

we're a small country we can't have all these islamists coming in and forming ghettos and you know all of europe is under severe strain due to immigrants newcomers asylum seekers

and one of the big and so he stood for election with his pvv the freedom party

and did extremely well.

You still need to create a coalition.

So he got the Farmers' Party and a couple others.

And there was very difficult to form the coalition.

So you have the majority in parliament.

But one of the big things was: we're going to stop the

asylum seekers and the immigration.

It's a very small country.

But we're going to, and besides, it's just wrong.

We're going to stop this.

And so one of the big promises was there will be no more of these asylum centers in all these small places that no one's ever heard of on the outskirts of the country near the border.

And of course, it just started to happen anyway.

And so,

and you recall that it was strange that he was the head of the party.

He was leading the party, but then they brought in this former intelligence guy to be the prime minister.

Spook, a literal spook who was a spook during COVID.

The guy was like, why is this guy being chosen to be prime minister?

Because you don't vote for the person, you vote for the party.

But of course, everyone voted for Geerd Wilders, and he said, no, I'm not going to be prime minister.

Now I think this was a long, long game and it's brilliant because the one thing every person in Western Europe, I mean, would you say arguably President Trump won on immigration?

Would you say that that was pretty much?

Yes, absolutely.

So immigration, that's the thing.

Everybody just wants it to stop, particularly in Europe, but we had it here.

Like, no, we just want it to stop, which is funny because people are like, whoa, they're going to deport my moms.

Okay.

We wanted it to stop.

We voted for it.

We're actually getting what we voted for.

Surprise, surprise.

So this was about immigration.

And

the discussion on the table in the parliament was about immigration.

And they couldn't get it through.

His own coalition didn't have enough votes.

So he said, that's it.

We're done.

We're not going to be a part of the coalition.

And then the prime minister rage quit.

Bye, well, I'm out too.

Rage quit.

So that's,

yeah.

No one even, this guy was, I mean, he was, he might as well have been invisible.

He spoke a little bit, but he was a spoke.

He was just, he was a figurehead.

And now I understand why.

I think it's brilliant because now we'll have elections again, I think, September, October.

And this is going to be the issue.

And Geed Wilders will be the guy who is, who, who put his career on the line for it.

And I think he will be elected with an overwhelming majority.

Here's the report.

He made the election.

Hold on, Tuesday.

What?

That's a gamble, isn't it?

He's been gambling with his life for 25 years.

Okay.

Now,

he's, again, he's under constant surveillance because, you know,

he's pretty much like, oh, here's a cartoon of Muhammad.

You know, that's the.

So

he's pretty much made it very clear where he stands on this.

And if you ask anyone in Holland, like, oh, Geet Wildes, and they're like, well, George isn't doing his job.

Who's this guy?

And I think he forced this whole issue.

The cabinet only formed it like six months ago.

They couldn't form the cabinet for nine months.

It was a long, long time.

So I think he really pushed this

episode so that they can have new elections and everyone's going to be like, this is the only guy.

Immigration is it.

We want him.

He made the announcements online this Tuesday with a message posted on X.

No signature for our asylum plans, no amendment to the coalition deal.

The PVV is leaving the coalition.

Hit Filders' departure due to disagreements on immigration has caused the government to collapse.

And as the Prime Minister promptly resigned, Filders is hoping he can grab hold of the empty seat.

Will your political career end here?

Actually, I'm going to be the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

I'll stand in the elections so the Party for Freedom becomes more popular than ever.

The coalition was formed last July, and finding middle ground has been an almost impossible task.

The country's Minister for Foreign Affairs criticised the timing of Filder's decision.

It's irresponsible.

There's a war in Europe just a few hours away from here.

There are wars all around Europe and in the Middle East.

Trump's imposed tariffs, and there are serious trade issues for a country that has such an open economy as ours.

I think it's scandalous that he resigned from the negotiating table at this moment.

But for opposition groups such as the Labour Party, early elections would be a chance to reshuffle the political landscape.

Well, I think it's an opportunity for all democratic parties to rid ourselves of the extremes because it's clear that with the extremes you can't govern.

When things get difficult, they run away.

Elections aren't expected to take place before October, and considering how fragmented the Dutch political scene is, agreeing to a coalition could take many months more.

So,

no mention of the real issue in that report, strangely enough.

But I think it's probably a very good bet that he's going to be extremely popular.

And of course, now it all depends on how they campaign for the next

five, six months or so.

Also, it will be determined somewhat by the media and how they handle this.

The media could be

pro-immigration.

Well, yes, but you have to know that the Dutch are rioting now.

There are small towns everywhere where they are bombarding the city council.

They're throwing eggs at them.

They don't want the

asylum center.

You can't ignore that news.

That news is just too big.

They're everywhere.

And

the Netherlands does have regional news.

And you know what?

It's like every socialist country.

Everyone goes, oh, yeah, yeah.

In public, like, oh, yeah, but in private, like, screw these guys, babe, I want this guy builders.

So ultimately, your vote is a private affair, and I think he will be voted in, and I think he will make big moves in the Netherlands.

The funny thing is, they now have what they call a caretaker government

in the interim.

So we will continue to govern as if nothing happened.

It's really the funniest thing.

A caretaker government.

And, well, you know, there's a little problem with this because we have the big NATO splash coming up.

So Dutch Minister of Defence, Ruben Brekelmans,

what are you going to do about it?

Two days ago in the Netherlands the coalition government collapsed and I want to stress here at the NATO headquarters that that doesn't mean anything for our

defense and for foreign policy.

We as a caretaker government decides decided to act as if we are a regular government and just to continue business as usual

Business as usual, everybody, which means we're going to spend your money.

International threats do not diminish if there are domestic political issues in the Netherlands.

So we will continue in the same way.

Also, in preparation for the NATO summit, which I expect is going to be an historic summit.

We as a host country want to make this a big success.

And we will do all the necessary preparations, of course, to make this summit,

make the summit a success.

And the participants will not see or

experience anything different given the fact that we in the Netherlands now have a caretaker government.

Of course today is also going to be important to make sure that the 32 allies get more aligned towards a new defense investment pledge and I expect that we will make further progress today.

What are the capability targets for the Netherlands?

Can you go into more details on what you will be focusing on?

Again, everyone's on the same script.

The capability, what is the capability?

You mean how much money we're going to spend?

Yeah, we call it the capability.

Of course, I'm not allowed to share any specifics about that, but what we do see in general, of course, is that NATO is requiring more from us because the threat, especially by Russia, is increasing.

We made a calculation of what those additional capability targets mean financially for the Netherlands.

And if you calculate this, then it means that we should spend in the medium term, we should spend 3.5%

at least on defense, which in the Netherlands means an additional 16 to 19 billion addition to our current budget.

And that's what we also shared with Parliament.

So this is what NATO is expecting from us.

But what we will decide in terms of a new defense investment place, a new NATO norm, that's of course a political decision which we will further discuss.

There you go.

So Elon Musk.

That's fine and dandy, all that stuff.

But how does this affect the relationship within the EU, which is all pro-immigration?

Well, that's why Wilders is counting on what we call the Achterbum, or

everyone in the back, who is all going to rise up and vote for it.

Yeah, but again, the question I would ask it again.

How does that affect the relationship of the Netherlands within the EU?

It'll be horrible.

Of course.

Because the EU is worked with Hungary, which refuses to take any immigrants at all.

He will be labeled a Nazi.

He will be labeled a dictator.

He He will be labeled all of these things.

Far right, ultra-far-right.

I don't know what they'll make of it.

Oh, yeah.

No, of course not.

This is, but this is why the Dutch voted for him in the first place.

They're sick of it.

I've said this before.

They're sick of it.

But they have no voice.

This is the only guy.

And he just didn't have enough power, enough votes.

Even the Swedes, for example, which have the same problem,

don't rise up.

I don't see the Swedes being more passive than the Dutch, although the Dutch were world conquerors.

They were big shots in the 1600s.

They did give up their bikes within 24 hours.

Yeah, well,

true.

That is a classic no-agenda callback, by the way.

That's a good one.

Hey, Elon Musk just tweeted.

You ready for this?

Oh, now we're going to the tweet wars.

Time to drop the really big bomb.

Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.

That is the real reason they have not been made public.

Have a nice day, DJ Donald.

That is a good one.

Woo!

That's awesome.

Well, actually, that may be...

If we're going to go with the thesis, or you are at least, and I'm not in total disagreement, with the thesis that this is a bullcrap play, we're watching, we're witnessing a staged play.

Yes.

This would be the rationale for rolling out all the Epstein files to

prove Musk wrong.

Of course.

He's in on it.

In fact, it may be Trump having Musk do this

because he knows he's not in the files, but he's a little Trump himself.

I believe this is a possibility.

Trump himself is irked with Pam Bondage for sitting on these files.

Yep.

And now they got to come out because he has to prove he's not in them.

Everything will be released.

Everything, every last drop.

You know, speaking of such, there is, you want to hear some Hill hill country gossip no

do I want this is all I do the show the only reason I'm still doing the show is because of this

four more years of this as long as I stay in Fredericksburg we're good to go

the ladies had a lunch the other the other day

the ladies who lunch at the ladies lunch am I a lady no this is ladies who lunch well how how did you get wind of it my my wife is my shoe oh she is in the ladies lunch of course she is they all want Okay, good for her.

Everybody wants Tina Curry at their party.

You have a mole.

Yes, I do.

And she'll sit right there and say, Adam's going to talk about this.

And I think they like it.

Most people like to be talked about.

And these are successful women, women who have had successful careers.

This one actually still has a successful career.

And here's what she said.

World War III is coming.

World War III is coming.

Because all the names, everything's going to come out and they need a distraction.

So let's have a nuclear war instead of, you know, distract us from who's on the list.

Wow.

What logic.

I love it.

I love the ladies who lunch.

This is the best, man.

I mean, I used to have to search for this stuff.

Now it just gets handed.

A little bit.

And now it just comes right to you.

It's dropped in your lap.

I know.

It's the easiest work ever.

It's fantastic.

Now, this, I think you're bang on about this.

This is the perfect setup.

And now we have to release it all.

And that does mean some names will come out.

Now, will that necessitate World War III?

I don't know.

I doubt.

I highly doubt it.

Everybody likes it.

I think Bono's on there, though.

Bono?

Bono?

He was just on Rogan.

I haven't watched it yet, but he was on Rogan.

Bono's all over the place.

He's trying to,

he's creating screens.

He's, he's good.

Bono is all of a sudden appearing because it turns out that Bono is on the flight logs at least five times under some name.

Oh, really?

There's some pictures of him floating around in memes.

I haven't put him in the newsletter because I

didn't think so.

Bono, really?

Of all the people, Bono.

Huh.

Well, that's interesting.

That accounts for a lot of Bono's appearances.

Hmm.

And he shows up on Rogan.

What?

Yeah.

I saw that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

So I think this, yeah, it's possible that this is all a one-two punch and it's all orchestrated

between Trump and Musk.

And it makes more, and it would get picked up by the media because it looks as though they're having a feud.

Yep.

And the media hates Trump to such an extreme that they're going to.

Oh, here it is.

Breaking news.

Justin, new war of words erupts between Trump and Musk.

Big, ugly battle, says Fox.

Oh, man.

It's a cool thing.

Oh, Fox is a sucker for me.

BBC, BBC, Trump and Musk sparring public fallout.

It's all on the quads, John.

It's everywhere.

It's burning my retinas.

It's on the quads.

Talking about Fox being in the, in the, you know, we heard that clip we played a few times ago about,

I forget, it was Tucker interviewing somebody, and they mentioned that Fox is really a bunch of liberals, And you always like to say

run by Democrats.

Yeah.

Here's a clip

mentioning Fox of the five.

This is the Waters clip at the bottom.

This is from the five.

And this is a at the end of show, they do some letters to the, they do letters.

They read letters.

And the question is, what would you do if you were a scammer and you were going to scam somebody?

And now

it goes to Waters about what were you going to do if you were going to scam somebody.

And he has this kind of crazy tale.

Guttfeld is on a show, says it, oh, this is meta.

I'm going to give you the headline so you can follow it.

All right.

Waters says, well, if I was going to scam somebody, I'd pretend to be a conservative and then work my way up the ladder and get my own TV show and then stay there and never mention it to anybody.

If you were just from

I gotta do the whole thing.

And so

Guttfeld says that's meta,

meaning it refers to something that's actually going on at Fox.

Yep.

And then he says it's meta meta

because Shannon Bream is sitting right next to Waters.

She's the one this is targeted at.

And Guttfeld kind of hints at that when he asks her the same question next.

And she's really good.

You know, Shannon Bream, I've always believed because I've gotten evidence of her not being a big supporter of Trump.

I mean, she's, you know, she's just this, she's a,

she's a beauty queen in every sense of the word, but I've never thought she was a conservative.

And she, I think she's the phony they're talking about.

Listen to this.

If you were, this is from Frenchie, if you were a con artist, what would your scam be?

Jesse, I would pretend to be conservative, and then I would get on television and dress really nicely.

Convincing.

And then I would just climb the corporate ladder until I had a show and then just stay there for as long as I could.

Very convincing.

That was so meta that it's actually meta-meta.

Shannon, you would pretend to be

a very religious.

You could actually cook.

Yes, somebody who actually loves the Bible.

It could be a Satanist.

It could be a Satanist.

No.

Rising up.

No, I could not.

I could not.

No, I would try to convince people that I can cook.

Shannon Bream.

Oh, Shannon.

She's meta-meta.

Okay, can I just say?

Yeah, go ahead.

No, nothing.

I just thought I found that to be revealing.

They wanted to get it off their chest.

Shannon was at the table that day.

She's not a normal person.

She's not normally on the five.

It's usually the other one.

Can't remember her name offhand.

The blondie?

The one of the

blondie, yes.

The one that used to be Bush's press secretary.

I can't remember her name.

Yeah.

McEnany.

No.

No, no, no.

No, that's the other one.

No, no, no.

Oh, it's ridiculous, but I can't remember her name.

She's very good.

Perina.

Dana Perino.

Perino.

Dana Perino.

Perina.

Perina.

Purino.

Perina.

Purino.

So she's usually there.

But so Shannon comes on once in a while.

And she, and they mentioned when he, when Water says it, she's all, and he says this person is always going to be really well dressed.

Shannon on that table was dressed to the tens.

I don't know what she was wearing, but it was high-end.

It's just so obvious that they're giving.

I'm surprised that she doesn't go to the HR about that, about that situation.

Can I just say.

I'm doing you a favor by working here.

I don't think she said anything.

My eyes are, I got problems with my eyes because now of the quad box, two of them have quad boxes in the quad box, all talking about.

It's a multi-quad box.

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.

Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C's in the COVID vaccine access.

Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr.

John C.

Devorah.

Man, the morning, Master of Gaming Royal C, Britain, Raffi, Raffee and the Air Subs in the Water Dames and the Knights out there.

Hey, the morning to the trolls in the troll.

Let me count it for a second.

1750, 50 low.

We're below average.

We're way beyond.

Go ahead, Steve.

Go ahead, say it.

Go ahead, my goodness.

What you're expecting me to say is because the first hour of the show?

Yep, that's what I'm expecting you to say.

Nah.

The trolls are in the troll troll room at trollroom.io that's where you can listen live live and troll along it's ephemeral so it doesn't matter what you do it just scrolls right off and and you use the word ephemeral isn't that the is that not the correct term i i think it was a good word but it just stuns me that you'd say that out of the blue like that

i if well if i had a british accent would it stun you less

It is completely ephemeral, what's happening in the trail room.

And of course, you can also access the live stream with a modern podcast app.

Do not fall for the legacy apps.

They're doing you no good at all.

It takes hours sometimes to get the show.

You don't want that.

What you want is you want a modern podcast app.

You can get it at podcastapps.com.

What are you drinking?

Hop water.

Pop water?

Yeah, hop water.

Oh, hop water.

I thought you said pop water.

And

what is it?

Like eight, I don't know what the people just complaining.

No, what are they complaining about?

I don't know.

They're trolls.

That's what they do.

Exactly how they sound.

That's exactly what they sound like.

Take the mic off.

I did take the mic off.

Yeah, I get a modern podcast app.

The good thing is, there's two great, there's several great things.

The first thing is when we go live, you get an alert on your phone that says we're live.

And then you hit that and you listen to the live stream.

No legacy app has that.

When we upload the show, all of these modern apps, they're all connected to the pod ping system.

Actually, Sir Brian of London really concepted it and built most of it.

I got to give him props.

Sir Alex Gates jumped in, built all these different pieces.

It's a whole cacophony of his whole orchestra of people putting the stuff together.

Nobody owns this.

It's on an actual blockchain.

Anybody can use it, any podcast app, many hosting companies, hundreds of thousands of podcasts are using this.

but will silicon valley ever use it no because it's not invented here

within 90 seconds of posting you you get your your new podcast that's what i'm saying podcastapps.com in our value for value model which we diligently employ yeah there's so you know the podcast industrial complex all they talk about is stats and first party data stats stats and first party data and we have to know more about who's listening who click play how long they're listening for

First-party data is what we need.

The apps need to reporting and be reporting on everybody.

Because

they can't justify downloads to people actually listening, particularly not from, there it is again, the legacy apps.

Apple auto-downloads.

It auto-downloads.

What's the other one?

Not overcast.

Also, auto-downloads.

And that's fine.

That's what podcast apps were supposed to do.

But then they try to shoehorn this advertising model in it, and then it doesn't work.

And, like, well, there's an outrage when you first party data.

So, we don't look at stats, we just make sure we can pay the rent.

That's the way we've been running it for set more than 17 years.

That's all we care about: value given, value received.

Yeah, you know, we probably could make more by scamming easily.

Oh man, I could create downloaders, you can you can pay companies to do that.

It's there's entire I've seen videos of these

farms in China where they just have thousands of secondhand cell phones all in racks like stacked next to each other like loaves of bread and it's professional they all have a USB cable going into a port and all they're doing is scamming you know it's it's sold to you as well these are all bots yeah they're download scams trust me that's what they're really doing it's money money in the bank I tell you money in the bank No, instead, we just give you the show.

I've been giving you the show for over 17 years.

If you get anything out of it, you send it back to us.

It's called value for value.

It's very simple.

How much is up to you?

Whatever you want to do is up to you.

We thank everybody.

We close that loop by

mentioning everyone with their numbers, whatever they sent us, because numerology is important.

$50 or above under that, we've kept that cap.

People want to remain anonymous and make sure we don't screw it up because that's what we'll do inevitably.

We'll dox you for sure if we're not careful.

So under 50, we just don't read.

Now, as part of our Hollywood gamble and gambit, we've created.

It's a gamble.

It's a gamble.

It's a great gamble.

We've created actual credits, which are just as valid as Hollywood credits with executive producer or associate executive producer.

Before we get to that, some people support us with time and talent.

Time and talent comes in many different ways.

Organizing meetups, setting up websites, doing all kinds of stuff for us.

And it's the artists, the artists who have consistently delivered fantastic work for us, which always delights people by showing you something on social media.

It shows up in your podcast app.

Oh, what is this?

Oh, it's no agenda again.

By the way, I think I sent you an email about this because I heard you and Andrew Horowitz talking about it on DH Unplugged, which is a great podcast.

If you want to hear two guys talk about stocks and economics and meta-analysis and

other odd things like AI art.

You listen to that podcast live on Tuesday evenings, but it drops right after that.

So Wednesday is when people usually get it.

And again, you were complaining about the levels of white and just the levels of color in general in AI-generated art.

And we're seeing it on our art generator, noagendaartgenerator.com.

Yeah, I got another note from Animus.

Yes.

You were rude to him, if I can, you don't mind me saying.

I was probably gruff.

It was your typical.

I told him I I was good to hear from him.

I tried to be nice.

You were rude.

You do this with people.

It's just my...

I'm running interference for you here because I know you.

This used to send me into a tailspin.

I'm like, Dvorak is such a douche.

I hate him.

I'm quitting the show.

Now I'm like, it's just John.

Whatever.

People will forward me up.

He says I was.

He accused me of being skeptical about something or other.

Hold on a second.

You see, you think everything's an accusation.

You are the one with the long tail.

I do.

You are.

You nailed it.

Yeah.

This is the understanding of my response to everything.

I see everything as an accusation.

Yep.

Yes, it's real.

Yeah, I picked this up as a writer.

Is that where it's from?

Yeah.

Here, color space.

Here.

Your response was amazing.

Skeptical of what?

I did that.

There's no tonal in the...

There's no mean-looking emoji or anything.

There's no emoji with a mean face.

When you started...

When I said it was this way, this is the way it was presented.

I'm skeptical of what?

No, there's no I'm.

So this is your problem.

Okay, skeptical of what?

Skeptical of what?

I'm just okay.

I'm not.

Skeptical of what?

Well, I'm going to try and explain it to you.

You remember netiquette?

Do you remember netiquette?

No, you don't, because netiquette was never in your etiquette.

When someone emails you a very thoughtful

and someone says, John,

I'm interested in the reason for your skepticism so I can learn more.

So when you don't say, hi, Onimus, thanks for being such a great supporter and once again contributing to the conversation.

Skeptical of what?

No.

Skeptical of what?

Just, I'm just helping you, brother.

It's okay.

Yeah, brother.

Yeah, okay.

Keep going.

Keep going.

So I had a thought.

It's like, all of a sudden it hit me.

I know why the art is getting less luminous and why there's no whites and there's no dart, no blacks.

This is entropy.

AI is ingesting its own stuff and it's like making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy.

And this was, of course, brought up

on the DHM Plug show.

It was.

I didn't know.

Yeah, we brought it up because

Horowitz's, you know, he uses AI to create the art for the show.

And he's real proud of it.

And he's ready, too.

And he's real proud of it.

And you pooped all over him right away.

Do you think this is good?

No, you're right about that one.

I think this is good.

Well, I was a little, I was probably, that was yes.

Okay.

I'll accept that one.

Hey, it's Tuesday night.

You don't really want to do the show at all.

You want to do it, but when it's not Tuesday night, you could have other things to do.

There's sports ball to watch.

I get it.

But you're committed.

But you're committed.

You're a committed guy.

In all these years, 1,770 episodes, you've always showed up.

Except for one time you were late because your analog alarm clock didn't change time with the daylight savings time.

Well, I don't remember that, but generally speaking, I'm punctual is the word.

Yeah, you are punctual.

Yes, you are.

Yes, I didn't find the art that'd be that compelling that he would be happy about it.

But we did bring up the muddiness, and it was muddy.

It was all this one tone of brown.

Right.

But what you didn't discuss is this is entropy.

This is the beginnings of model collapse.

And I think that's exactly what we're seeing, particularly with the free stuff.

people using free stuff.

They're like, how to give that model to those guys.

And I wonder if our

AI prompt jockeys, if they're seeing that as well, because it's very apparent to us.

Everything's getting fuzzier.

There's just the colors aren't vibrant.

And maybe that's why people are resorting to making cartoonish artwork because holy moly, there's a lot of it.

But first,

wait before you go on.

I want to thank our artists.

We haven't thanked our artists yet.

Well, before you thank the artists, even that you brought up all these sidebars.

It's very important.

And I apologize to Animist for being a jerk.

Good.

By your standards, and probably by his.

Yep.

Not that he's emailed me or anything.

Like, what's up with John?

Yeah, what's wrong with this guy?

What's wrong with this guy?

Here's a note from Darren O.

Oh.

About flux context.

He says, ITM, I haven't had a chance to play with the new flux model yet, but the existing ones were quite impressive at creating realistic images.

The context model, this was the tip of the day for the last show.

Oh, yeah.

And I asked Darren to look at it, and he's already very familiar with all this stuff going on.

He says,

of course,

the context model really seems to shine with image modifications,

which is like I mentioned taking somebody's head and putting it on somebody else's head.

Right, right.

This will make it much harder for people to distinguish between what is real and what isn't.

If you want to frame someone,

what's that in your mouth, and you have an image of a room in their home from a family snapshot, you can get instant believability.

Wow.

Instant believability.

I'll let you know

once I dig in, but for now, I'd say it's a pretty good tip of the day.

Hmm.

Well,

I think this is time for the bonus clip.

Or maybe not.

No, yes.

This is a very, very big deal.

Facebook parent Meta Platforms has announced that it is going into a 20-year deal with nuclear power provider Constellation Energy for a steady flow of electricity to power its AI data centers.

And that deal follows a similar tie-up between Constellation and Microsoft, involving the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant, also for Microsoft's AI ambitions.

And these commitments highlight big tech's insatiable need for electricity to fuel AI.

In fact, enough juice to power a small city.

And on top of that, AI facilities require enormous amounts of water to cool the equipment because they're just running full throttle all the time.

Now,

what the big tech wants you to focus on is the benefits that could come from AI, how society could change as

productivity improves, and as it becomes infinitely easier to to create memes that you can post on Instagram and Facebook.

On the other hand, this is an industry that is all but reinvigorating the nuclear power industry, which was once pretty much on the ropes as other fuel sources were found.

And now big tech is bringing nuclear power back in a big way.

So on the one hand, what we have here is memes.

On the other hand, Three Mile Island.

You figure it out.

There you go.

Memes versus Three Mile Island.

And our art.

And our art, that's why, by the way, it's called, now Fox is calling it the Big Ugly Battle.

Darren O'Neal brought us the artwork for episodes 1769.

We titled that Mr.

Umami.

That's right.

Remember that, everybody?

Umami, mouthfeel.

Yes, we had some debate about this.

We did have a debate.

And

I came up with a thesis that you agreed with.

Okay, so

first of all, it was cartoonish

depiction of a lorry driving into Russia with a shed and a little happy drone smiling out of the back,

which

the whole idea was good.

Your objection, which was valid, is it said created by Curry and Dvorak.

And that, of course, is not true.

It is not anything.

We don't use that byline, but we still decided on using it.

You have a thesis.

Yes.

Because the piece I wanted was Rapid Human Cloning,

which was another cute piece by Digital 211.

I remember this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is Darren O'Neal's alter ego.

Yes.

Digital 211 Man is Darren O'Neal.

And somebody out there, I figured that in the chat room, the troll room could figure out Digital 2112 Man that's code for Darren O'Neal somehow.

Yeah.

This is Darren O'Neal's style.

It's his sense of humor.

Yep.

Everything about Digital 211 Man is Darren O'Neal.

He's producing too much material.

Yeah, we're outing you.

We're outing you, Darren O'Neal.

He's producing too much material

to try to win every show.

And he's decided that because it would look ridiculous, Darren O'Neal, Darren O'Neill, like he's cranking this stuff out.

The code has already been cracked.

Is Darren O'Neal a fan of Rush?

Has he played Rush on his pre-show?

Yes, he has.

2112.

That is code for the band Rush.

Interesting.

Well, it could be.

Could be.

So we've determined that this is Darren O'Neill.

Or, Or

AI has gone rogue and has cloned Darren O'Neill.

That's possible.

This is also very possible.

AI is so dangerous that it's figured out how to be just like Darren and has registered a No Agenda Art Generator.

It's going to take over.

So obviously the type of prompts, this is like art detection.

Where you find the who's the who's the forged, where's the forged piece?

What makes it forged?

What makes it fake?

You can do this.

This is something you do if you're a hobbyist.

And this is what I've determined.

I think you're right.

It's obvious.

So, Darren, come clean and we'll let you off the hook.

Yeah.

If not, we'll still.

Yeah, if not, the digital 2112 man has to reveal himself.

Yes, yes, he must.

You know, I don't want to hear from some phony baloney as Darren's neighbor.

You're unhorse me.

Yeah, yeah.

There was a lot.

I mean, it is quite obvious.

And it's all very cartoony.

It's kind of like, and you know, and when you see the piece that we chose by Darren, and then you see the digital 2-1, 2-1, you know, Blue Acorn may be Darren as well, for all I know.

This may all be Darren.

Blue Acorn has a slightly different style.

Blue Acorn has a dimensionality to his art that Darren never has in terms of shading.

Well, I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of it.

Stop it.

I'm sick of it.

You can't do anything about it.

It's too late.

I'm sick of all of it.

I'm sick of it, I tell you.

All right.

Thank you very much, Darren.

We love you, brother.

Oh, I said brother again.

There you go.

Yeah, you're on this brother thing.

Well, you have to understand.

It's better than dude.

Yeah.

Well, it's because

I have a hard time remembering names.

You know, on the show, like, we always have nicknames for people.

We can't, you know, like Dana Per Dana Purina.

What are we, Purino?

Purina.

We'll always remember Dana Purina because we can't remember.

I can't remember these.

By the way, do you still use Previgen?

Previgen?

Didn't you say?

I've never used Previgen.

I remember you telling me that you use it for like short-term memory.

No, no, B12.

Oh, just B12.

I got to tell my neighbor this.

I told him the wrong thing.

What is Previgen for?

It's some sort of squid.

No, I thought you used Previgen when you were driving up to Washington in an E- No, no, no, no, no, you're thinking about it, the drug

Provigil.

Provigil.

Oh, man, I told him the wrong thing.

Tina.

Provigil.

That's the stuff.

You want that.

Oh, I got to tell him.

Oh, man.

No, Previgin is just a bullshit memories.

Provigil.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, Provigil

keeps you awake sharp.

This is what the fighter pilots use.

Sharp as attack.

This is what fighter pilots use if they have a long mission so they don't get drowsy.

Okay.

Pre-vigil.

Oh, wait.

No, what is that?

Pro-vigil.

It's like vigilant.

Pro.

You're pro-vigilant.

Pro-vigil.

Pro-vigil.

Got it.

Got it.

Yeah, that's a prescription drug.

He'll get it.

Pro-vigil.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

Anyway, now to thank our executive.

I just remembered, I forgot to ask you the question.

I better ask it now since

I need Pro-Vigil.

What are you talking about?

Um,

here we go: executive associate executive producers.

Here's the deal: you support the show with $200 or above, you become an associate executive producer.

That credit is good anywhere in the world of show business, particularly IMDb, is where people prove it.

And we'll read your note: $300 above, you get an executive producer credit.

It's good for a lifetime, it never goes away.

And we will read your note.

And we kick it off with Commodore Archduke, which now is the acronym CAD.

Commodore Archduke from Winter Park, Florida.

A show number donation.

Whoa, we haven't had that in a long time.

1770 show number donation, aka Blofeld donation

from Commodore Archduke of Central Florida.

Great stuff, guys.

Thanks for clarifying the media for us.

Five, six more years.

All right.

Thank you.

Oh, I was going to say the brother thing.

I was going to explain it.

So I can't remember names.

But the good thing is, when you're saved, when you become a Christian, you just call everybody brother.

I walk into the church Sunday, like, hey, brother, how you doing, brother?

Hey, brother.

Hulk Hogan does the same thing.

He's also, he's saved.

He just got baptized, Hulk Hogan.

He just got baptized, but he's been saying brother for at least 25 years.

Sure, but I'm not Hulk Hogan, and I'm not a wrestler, and I don't have a sex tape.

But I have an excuse.

There's a sex tape oh whoa you don't remember that i never knew yes you don't remember the baby you know you know i'm gonna confess something okay i have never seen a sex tape one of these sex tapes you've never seen the kim kardashian rage agent nope nope now you're missing something

what am i missing a lot

okay

it puts a whole it puts her in a whole new light

and then then the paris hilton one is just as good

because she's actually on her phone

while while it's taking place yeah

i'm reliably informed well that's a uh she's a multitasker she is all right thank you very much commodore archduke

okay brian luther's up next he's gross blake luther

what did i say brian

brian

brother blake luther let's call him brother luther it's all good

brother loose

Luther.

And I can't even

in Gross Point Shores, Michigan,

which is a horrible place, I guess, because it's gross.

A thousand bucks.

Another doctor.

Ph.D.

Please knight me Sir Horse Meds.

I bet she's a vet.

Yeah.

Ternarian.

Please dedouch me.

You've been dedouched.

Because he's been a horrible douchebag for way too long, he says.

He comes in with a thousand bucks.

He's no longer a douchebag, that's for sure.

And he says, sure.

He says, big thank you for all the value.

Right.

Thank you very much.

I like these really pricey donations and the very two-line notes.

That's how it always goes.

This is part of the model.

We learned it a long time ago.

Preston Isaacson, straight to our associate executive producers with a row of ducks.

We don't have any executive producers.

Except for these first two.

Wow.

21222.22.

Yak karma for sure.

Don't remember if there's relationship karma, but if there is one of those, please give it to me after Yak.

No need to read this on the air.

Thanks, guys.

Well, we already did it, and I'll give you the relationship.

You've got

karma.

You've got karma.

There you go.

Yak and relationship karma.

One after another.

Weird.

Yep.

Find it screwy.

And we're already the Eli the Coffee guy.

He's in Bensonville, Illinois.

He came in with 206-05.

You'd appreciate him because you're laced with coffee today.

If humanity used its technological might for advancement of civilization and society, he writes, we might actually have landed on the moon.

We might have landed on the moon by now.

Yeah, no, no, no.

Instead,

our use of technology is focused on destruction,

subjugation,

or beard and circuses.

What are beard and circuses?

Okay.

I pray one day we'll find a better way.

There is one fantastic use for technology I can think of.

Ordering fresh roasted coffee off the internet.

Visit gigawattcoffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your coffee today.

Stay caffeinated, Eli the Coffee Case.

So I opened up the bag of

Ethiopian black bags.

He's got this one line of expensive ones.

And I believe this to be Peaberries.

And I would like to have him correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like Peaberries to me.

I think that's correct, Peaberries.

And I don't know why he doesn't promote that because Peaberries are a thing.

You skipped Matthew Martell, but I will go back and thank him for his $210.60 donation, Associate Executive Producership, from Brumall, Pennsylvania.

And Matthew says the hardware tip of the day segment of my email newsletter is nailing it.

That is only true, of course, when it's received.

Visit martellhardware.com and use coupon spam mail for an additional 10% off your order.

That's Martell L hardware.com.

Hot Pockets.

Hot Pockets.

Huh.

Travis West in

Howell, Michigan.

Howell?

20202.

Thank you for your courage.

Biphobic Stephen Wright donation.

Biphobic.

I don't know what that means.

Forgot about that.

I don't know what Stephen Wright's got to do with it.

Shout out to all the boys in the hot gay apocalypse.

Please dedouch me.

You've been dedouched.

No jingles, but I'll take as much house-selling karma as this donation will allow.

God bless you all.

All right.

Well, that calls for a goat, I think.

You've got

karma.

And that brings us to our last associate executive producer, $200.

It comes from Linda Lupatkin, who asks for jobs karma and says, for a resume that showcases your unique value proposition, tells a compelling career story, and highlights your standout accomplishments, visit imagemakersinc.com.

That's ImageMakers Inc.

with a K.

And work with.

I know she listened to us, didn't she?

And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes.

She makes you sign.

I screwed up the tagline.

Well, we'll never hear it in the edit.

She makes you shine.

Hey, boys.

Thanks for the Sage Advertising.

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

Let's vote for jobs.

You've got karma.

Now, Linda,

John and I did discuss you after the last show.

Sage Advertising Council.

I'm sorry?

That's what she wrote.

Usually she says Sage Advertising.

No, she says.

I'm reading the copy.

She says something.

No, but you left out the word.

Oh, because it didn't fit on the spreadsheet.

Thanks for the Sage Advertising Council.

Love you, mean it.

I'm sorry.

Stupid.

I denounce Excel.

I'm getting off this nut.

I'm using Excel and it's on mine.

Yeah,

it's a crapshoot.

I still think.

Yes.

Well, there's that.

Well, and you know what's popping up?

The little co-pilot thing is not.

I'm going to hit the co-clippy.

ask co-pilot.

Ask co-pilot.

Clippy.

I'm going to ask co-pilot.

I'm going to ask co-pilot.

Okay.

Co-pilot.

Where do I ask?

I don't want auto-save.

I want to ask you a question.

It's a nightmare.

Don't do it.

I want to ask co-pilot a question.

How can I ask co-pilot a question?

It won't actually

turn on auto-save.

What?

I don't want to do that.

I want to ask you a question.

Stupid.

Okay, co-pilot doesn't even.

I still think for a resume that gets results was a great line.

That's just my personal opinion.

It went viral.

People were using it.

And then, you know, to change it to for a resume that showcases your unique value proposition tells you how to do it.

I'm going to agree with you on this.

So I just, I just

think it's snappier.

Yep.

And she should go back to it.

She's already gone back to the dot ink with a K,

which is a good one.

Yes.

Which is clarification, which is always a good way to

always have clarification.

Always good.

But a snappy, a snappy little

ditty

is better than one that's

lengthy.

Yes.

As witnessed by the first hour of the show.

You got it in.

I was waiting for it to come.

Yeah,

you got me nailed.

There it is.

Thank you to the executive and associate executive producers for episode 1770.

We'll be thanking more people people in just a bit, actually.

$50 and above.

We appreciate you so much.

We love doing this.

It's a public service we do.

And when you return the value, it just makes it feel all that extra special.

If you want to support the show, go to noagendadonations.com.

You can do any type of donation.

You don't have to stick to any regimen.

You can do any number, any amount, and you can even set up a sustaining donation, which is indeed any number, any frequency.

Go to noagendadonations.com and thank you for supporting the show.

Episode 1770.

Our formula is this

we go out we hit people in the mouth

pockets

five minutes

five minute warning

well it is pride month

in case you wanted to talk about pride month

i don't don't have any Pride Month clips.

I do have one TikTok clip.

You ridiculed me for having TikTok clips.

I only have one.

I didn't have any last show.

Why don't you do your TikTok clip and then I'll do my Pride Month clips?

There's a thing going around, and this TikTok clip epitomizes it, called hoax etymologies.

Hoax etymology.

Is that like deconstruction of hoaxes?

No, no.

Hoax etymology.

In other words, you come up with a fake etymology of a word and you go viral.

And it's usually done,

the whole hoax was created by somebody else and you're a sucker.

You buy into it and then you go out and you post about it.

And this particular one, which is the use of the word picnic, is elucidated in

Snopes as a hoax.

an etymological hoax.

And this woman, a black woman, another one of the lecturers that like to lecture white people uh will reveal what the what the

she will reveal this this this is going around play it here's a list of words to help you decolonize your summer and like with anything our

i like this already

this morning i woke up you know what i thought my thirst first thought was

I need to decolonize my summer.

It just won't be the same.

Here's a list of words to help you decolonize your summer.

And like with anything, our vocabulary evolves.

It isn't about being woke.

It's about elevating your vernacular to fit the times and the paradigm that we're in.

So welcome.

First, stop saying picnic.

Picnic originated from pic a n-word.

The word picnic originated in the 1700s, but gained popularity once people enjoyed lynching black people and spreading a nice charcuterie board along the trees as people were being lynched.

Instead of using the word picnic, why don't you use barbecue, outing, you can use outdoor excursion, gathering, rendezvous,

what have you.

Make it up.

Just know that every time you use that word, you are perpetuating the history of lynching.

I think I

recall Mo and I discussing this at some point.

I don't think it's true.

No, it's not true.

The word came in in the 1600s, not the 1700s.

It has nothing to do with lynching.

It was a French word.

It had nothing to do with the N-word or anything in between.

This is bogus.

This is a fake etymological hoax.

And she bought into it.

And the rationale, according to at least Snopes and others, is that this is done to show how stupid people are.

And anyone who follows up by bringing this into the lexicon, it just proves that they're an idiot.

And it's done specifically targeting people that are susceptible to this sort of nonsense to show that they're dumb and they're stupid.

That's interesting.

Just on this TikTok for a second.

TikTok has announced something which I think is amazing.

It shows

they come from a very different place than all of the big tech platforms.

And in fact, it may even encourage you to load the TikTok app on your phone after you take it out of the drawer and charge it.

You know what?

The phone I have,

I don't know what technology they're using for the battery, but I can leave that phone in the drawer for months and it's still fully charged.

Well, what apps do you have on it?

None.

Yeah,

that's the whole reason why these phones need, you know, are running out of juice is because of all the spying and spurning and reporting and all the stuff it's doing under the hood.

Listen to this.

Now, to some big changes for social media giant TikTok, it's launching new self-care tools designed to give users more control over their content experience.

The announcement was made exclusively on Good Morning America.

The new features include Manage Topics, which is a setting that allows users to adjust how often they see content from more than 10 popular categories, including travel, nature, sports, and creative arts.

Also included is an enhanced keyword filtering tool now powered by AI.

Users can plug in up to 200 keywords of content they would prefer to avoid.

TikTok also introduced an updated safety center guide designed to help users better understand and customize their For You you feed.

Now, of course, you don't see the video with this, but they show the screen of it, and there's six or seven sliders.

They're literally letting you control your own algo, which is the one thing people actually want.

Remember, this is the secret sauce of TikTok.

They're just saying, oh, here it is.

You control it.

You want more

dumb people.

who talk about dumb stuff

who are clearly why i don't want it on a phone and want the phone running because I've been watching this all day.

Yeah, that's what exactly.

It is the smartest thing I've seen from a social network for a long time.

I think it's genius, and they're going to just blow past everybody with this, mainly because they are social shopping.

They're not based on strife and getting you angry and keeping you engaged.

They give you what you want.

So just give people what they want.

And if they're done with it, there's a sliding.

less cooking videos, more cooking videos.

This is perfect.

The cooking videos are just unbelievable.

It all includes cheese.

Everything.

Yes, always.

Yes, a lot of cheese.

And they're always opening packages and dumping them.

Just, there's another thing.

It's always in a can or some sort of a some sort of plastic wrap and it goes in.

If it comes in a bag or has a barcode, it is to be avoided, is my motto.

Here's NPR's morning edition to remind us that June is Pride Month.

World Pride is underway here in Washington, D.C.

The international festival celebrating all things LGBTQ has taken place in Copenhagen, London, and Sydney.

But as NPR's Elizabeth Blair reports, attendance and sponsorships are down this year.

World Pride D.C.

has been going on since mid-May.

Ryan Boss, executive director of Capital Pride Alliance, says they've organized some 300 events across the city.

Dance parties, a film festival, family activities like Drag Story Hour, and events for milk.

That was the best life.

Family activities like dance parties, a film festival, family activities like Drag Story Hour.

Come on, kids, let's go to Drag Story Hour.

It's time for a Saturday outing.

What?

Now, where was this?

This is NPR.

NPR Morning Edition.

And this is the north.

So they've normalized Drag Story Hour as a family activity on NPR.

Family time!

Bees, a film festival, family activities like drag story hour, and events for military personnel.

But Boss says the Trump administration's anti-drag and trans policies and rhetoric have had a chilling effect.

A lot of our service members are being forced back in the closet because they're afraid of being who they are at their work, and that is just extremely disheartening.

People from around the world travel to World Pride festivals, but this year, Boss says hotel bookings are below what they were expecting.

Sponsorships are also down.

Past DC Pride sponsors, including Booz Allen Hamilton and Comcast, didn't come back this year.

They did not return NPR's request for comment.

Ooh, the money's drying up.

Gee, that is a problem.

Companies, I think, overall are in a very tough spot.

Luke Hardig is president of Gravity Research, which recently surveyed roughly 200 Fortune 1000 companies about their Pride sponsorships.

He says more than a third of them plan to decrease their Pride support this year.

Many of them do business with the federal government.

Federal contractors are in a particularly precarious place when it comes to Pride because Pride is so closely integrated into broader DEI efforts.

And when it comes to the administration's power to regulate DEI in the private sector, their powers are probably at their greatest when it comes to federal contractors.

And I think for a lot of companies, celebrating pride just comes a little too close to the danger zone.

It's like, really?

Get a clue.

This was always pandering.

No one cared about you in the corporate world.

It was pandering.

It's a hard pill to swallow.

Pride festivals are by their nature political.

That community includes the more than 200.

What?

Pride festivals are by their nature political?

I thought it was just to be celebrate, celebrate yourself and your.

We're learning something new from NPR.

Pride festivals.

I'm sorry, the second thing we've learned, the other one is that dragged story hour is a family activity.

Pride festivals are by their nature political.

That community includes the more than 250 singers in the Gay Men's Chorus of Washington.

The chorus was scheduled to perform at the Kennedy Center with the National Symphony Orchestra in May during World Pride.

But shortly after President Trump announced he would take over the institution, the chorus was informed that the event would not take place.

The orchestra told NPR the concert was postponed for financial and scheduling reasons, not because it was a pride event.

Thea Kano, artistic director of the chorus, says it was disappointing.

You know, nobody wants to be canceled or feel like they've been canceled, but that's why right away we thought, well, we cannot be silenced.

Music is our protest.

We are resilient.

The Gay Men's Chorus at Washington organized an international choral festival for World Pride.

The organization says some choirs from abroad pulled out because of the tension in Washington.

A big closing ceremony.

Is that the proverbial pulling out of the church before singing?

I'm just trying to say

all the choirs from abroad pulled out because of the tension in Washington.

A big closing ceremony for World Pride D.C.

takes place this weekend.

There's a parade and concerts featuring Jennifer Lopez, Cynthia Arrivo, and Dochi.

J-Lo's performing.

Okay.

Goat cheese.

Was that the last thing?

Goat cheese.

J-Lo and goat.

Hey, I don't want to say too much, but I started this show with the most boring topic.

You despise me for it because it wasn't, it wasn't.

You're exaggerating my

critique.

It wasn't top of mind.

No one cared about it.

But somehow.

I know you're looking at the four monitors right now, and that's all they're talking about.

And thank God.

Well, listen.

Am I right?

Yes, but this is what's so great about it.

Because now the conversation has moved from Trump is in the Epstein files to he would have never been elected without me.

His tariffs will cause a recession, and we should impeach him.

And without our, at the beginning of the show, which people will hear,

saying this is a gambit, this is a scam, this is all set up.

Now, the no agenda people will be calm.

Mission accomplished.

Well, I'm glad you like to pat yourself yourself on the back.

I'm not going to argue against it.

It's possible you're right.

What?

I'm what?

Yeah.

So I have a couple of short clips.

All right.

I want to play this one just so I can get my little rant out of the way.

This is the AI comment.

This is Kill Mead on Fox News making a comment that I want to make some statement about.

Okay, Kill Mead.

How do you juggle that with the emerging AI that could really hurt

blue-collar Americans as they begin to take the jobs and even some white-collar Americans?

Is this a really high-wire act for Republicans to manage?

All right, rant away.

AI is going to take away, if it's going to take away jobs, it's going to take away white-collar bureaucrat jobs.

Blue-collar plumbers and electricians and carpenters.

AI is not going to have any effect whatsoever on the blue collar.

And I mentioned this on the DH Unplugged show.

If any kids out there want to make sure that they have a job forever, get into the trades.

If you want an education, sure, go get your degree in, you know, social sciences or history or whatever.

And

you can say you're educated, but become a welder.

AI is not going to replace welders.

No, that was a very short rant.

There wasn't much to it, but I'm just saying, you know, you can't say that AI is going to take away blue-collar jobs.

No, of course not.

I don't think it's going to take away that many white-collar jobs either.

I think it's going to take away a lot of white-collar jobs.

It's already taken away the jobs of

look at the spot art that we're using.

I mean, that's a white-collar job of artists.

Right, but that's more an advancement like Photoshop did that.

And then people became really good at Photoshop.

And now you have, and now you have AI.

Photoshop took away a lot of art.

I can't create what Darren O'Neal creates.

You have to have talent to operate these tools.

Yes.

You got to have the talent.

So you might as well and that's.

What if it's a job that needs no talent whatsoever?

Paper pusher.

Like podcaster?

No,

you know, you can say that as a joke.

But I'm not worried that AI, we've heard AI trying to do podcasts.

All they do is a deep dive and they make mistakes.

Well, but AI can't do law because it hallucinates.

It can't do marketing because it sucks.

It's too wordy.

It can't write.

It can't write novels.

The songs.

Where's my number one hit on the billboard chart from an AI song?

No, it can't do any of that.

No, it's not coming.

It's not going to happen.

You need a living person to gyrate on stage.

It just doesn't happen.

Now,

if you listen to

CBS Mornings, the Wall Street Journal editor, I guess the tech editor, oh no, let me just tell you, AI, it's going to take over the world, baby.

My talk on the table is how AI is learning to escape human control.

That's the very scary headline I saw in the Wall Street Journal.

It's an essay written by a very worried AI consultant named Judd Rosenblatt, who cites two recent studies to argue that AI is, in fact, learning to escape human control.

First, this is crazy stuff.

Researchers gave OpenAI's O3 model a simple script that would shut off the model when triggered.

In 79 of 100 trials, the AI model independently just on its own edited the script.

So shutdown command would not work.

Nate, Nate, Nate, it gets worse.

Even when ordered, allow yourself to shut down, the AI still disobeyed 7% of the time.

And it gets even more frightening than that.

Other researchers, listen to this, using

Anthropic's AI model, Claude 4Opus,

told the model it would be replaced by another AI system.

It then fed fictitious emails into the system suggesting one of the engineers was having an affair.

Got it?

In 84% of the tests, the AI model drew on the emails to blackmail the engineer to not shut down the AI model.

What?

What?

What?

Okay, so here.

I'm quoting now from Judd.

In other cases,

the AI model attempted to copy itself onto external servers.

We're in Mission Impossible Land here.

Wrote self-replicating malware and left messages for future versions of itself about the need to evade human control.

The entity.

The entity is real.

The entity.

And that's why so many people, and when I say people, me, are worried about AI.

I'm worried.

I'm worried.

I've told you.

So what they forget or omit.

I'm actually glad you got this clip.

But they're omitting some key information.

They're omitting everything.

Go ahead.

This was a dinner table conversation with JC, who is deep into AI.

And he says this is all the equivalent of writing on a piece of paper.

I'm alive, and then giving it to a copy machine.

And it comes out, it says I'm alive, and you assume the copying machine is alive because it said so.

Well, even worse than that, this was a test that they did.

They expressly exposed to the AI this so-called email

of an affair.

It wasn't true.

They put it all in there.

Yeah, it was like a test that they did that just to psych everybody up.

And CBS, of course, falls for it.

Like a bunch of nerds.

AI

like working with a toddler with ADHD who has perfect syntax.

Doesn't mean the toddler can write a novel.

Doesn't mean the toddler can create an application.

It has perfect syntax.

But it's like saying,

I have a kitty litter box with a turd in it.

Take the turd out.

The kid will go, ah, go off to the beach, get some sand, throw it into a new box, bring it back, put the turd in the other box, and then it's done.

I mean, it's, it is,

AI is inherently not intelligent.

It is stupid.

Perfect at syntax.

It's really good at it.

Doesn't you need talent.

You need almighty intelligence to use artificial intelligence.

That's just it.

Nothing to worry about.

I think it will actually create more jobs.

It's not going to take away jobs.

It will take away certain jobs, but people can learn how to do other things.

You had the perfect example.

Learn to code.

Yeah.

Learn to prompt.

That's what it is.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay, that's a bogus story.

Totally bogus.

It's a promotion.

Promotion for Anthropic.

That's all that it was.

They probably paid for it.

Well, they did have a plug in there for Anthropic.

I like it.

They probably paid for it.

All right.

I'll give you one or two more.

It's all up to you.

Okay, I can do Africa and China and Africa.

Do you want to scare people off from the last few minutes of the show?

Oh, good point.

Okay, forget that.

Yeah.

How about the doofus?

Oh,

I'm not going to play that clip.

I will play the attacks on referendums.

This is a four-parter.

It may be too long.

Up to you.

As long as you don't say how much time we have left.

Really, none.

All right.

Then I'll.

Honestly, no.

Well, hold on a second.

Let me do it this way.

John, we're almost at the end of time.

Can you hurry along and play one more clip?

Okay, let's just play this then.

This is a

now you got me cornered because I'm looking for a one-line, one-shot clip.

I mean, I could just play maniacal laugh.

I'll give you maniacal laugh as a bonus.

Okay, now you get to play one more clip.

Let's just go with the Russia-Trump talks update, and we'll be done.

President Trump today, speaking by phone with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The call comes after a series of high-profile attacks on Russia by Ukraine.

And today's international correspondent Arian Pozdar has the details.

President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin had another phone call on Wednesday afternoon.

Trump said, We discussed the attack on Russia's docked airplanes by Ukraine and also various other attacks that have been taking place by both sides.

Kiev recently used drones to strike several Russian airbases.

Ukraine says it destroyed many of Russia's nuclear capable bombers.

And Ukraine also posted this video saying it attacked a bridge connecting Crimea to Russia.

The rail and road bridge is a key supply route for Russian forces in Ukraine.

According to Trump, it was a good conversation, but not a conversation that will lead to immediate peace.

President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields.

Special Envoy to Russia and Ukraine Keith Kellogg, tells Fox News that the attack could raise the risk of escalation.

And I'm telling you, the risk levels are going way up.

I mean, what happened this weekend,

people have to understand in the national security space, when you attack an opponent's part of their national survival system, which is their triad, the nuclear triad, that means your risk level goes up because you don't know what the other side's going to do.

Was that an RT report?

That was kind of a cool voice.

I liked liked him.

That was

NTD.

Oh, NTD.

My sources, sources familiar with the matter, tell me that UK was behind this.

And it kind of fits with Kier Starmer all of a sudden being Mr.

War.

And it wouldn't surprise me.

Well, that's an interesting little tidbit that we can end the show with.

I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.

Imagine all the people who could do this.

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

Yeah, on no agenda

in the morning.

Yes, but not before we have thanked our donors $50 and above.

We have John's

Tip of the Way Day.

The

tip of the day coming.

We have PhDs.

We got some nights.

It's a good day here at the No Agenda Show.

John C.

Devorah, go.

Clip one.

Clip one, go.

Baron Ladikin starts this off, but I'm still upset by the fact we had no executive producers under $1,000.

Yeah, that happens.

It's very strange.

It could have been, if it wasn't for the PhDs, we would have had none.

That's right.

Baron Laddikin in Houston, Texas starts this off.

He actually came in very late for the last show, but here he is, $100.

John Robinet, $100.

Ketten

Kellen.

Is it Kellen?

Kellen.

Kellen Prince in Hollywood, Florida, $100.

Sir F.

A.

Ann Beck

in Schiffwoods, Shiffwood, Shiffwood Forest,

U.S., somewhere.

I don't know where that is.

$100.

Sir Loyne, Sir Lloyne, get it?

In Winter Haven, Florida, $84.38.

And that's a stuffed bra boob donation.

Which means it's an 8008 with the fees included.

Yeah, that's a good one.

I like that.

That is funny.

Kevin McLaughlin, though, he's got the real deal.

8008.

He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs.

Harry Kelly,

was it?

In

Cuvota, Kuvola, Finland.

Kuvola.

Kuvola.

Kuvola, Finland.

I can't tell a T's from the L's on here.

Same thing with the font.

This is the 75th Yokozuna's Ono Sato donation.

Yes, Ono Sato is now the 75th Yokozuna.

And probably the best

wrestler I've ever seen, the best sumo wrestler I've ever seen.

And I actually met Akibono, for anybody out there looking for trivia,

who is really good.

He's dead now, unfortunately.

Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire, 79.03.

Oh, it's 79.03 from Harry, too.

So 79.03, it would be the.

She wants us to give at truckdriver at POA.st an F cancer, karma, and prayers.

Prayers done, and I will give you the F cancer at the end.

Ashley Larson in Ham Lake, Minnesota.

It's one of the 10,000 lakes.

6777 is a switcheroo birthday gift from my brother Chad Larson.

June 7th, happy 48th, bro.

Love the show.

Scott Nuzo in Dubois.

Sorry, I was using a crazy name for a Wyoming town.

I live in Dubois, Wyoming.

I'm sure it's pronounced Du Bois.

6689.

Another birthday call out is coming up.

Joe Rizzi in Trigo.

Trigo, Trego, Trigo, Montana.

Another birthday call out.

He came in with 66 with a birthday on 6.6.

Tom Ross, Sylmore, California, 65.

James Moore in San Pablo, 64.47.

He says, I will read some of his note.

I heard you're complaining, so here's your blood money.

Now shut the hell up.

Love the show.

Thanks for all you do.

I don't want your blood money.

Andrew Foreman.

Thanks for all you do.

Okay, 60.

He's the one that said thanks for all you do.

The blood money guy said nothing like that.

He's in Bulkaraton for 63.31.

Gene

Molly

jobs, Carm.

I'll do that.

Or Gina, Gina, Gina Molly.

Gina Moly, Holy Moly, and Phoenix, Arizona, 63.25.

Teresa Andrews and Camarillo, Brillo, California, 61.61.

And that's the anti-anti anti-Gigi donation.

Aunt Gigi, and here it comes.

I'll just have an apple in my room.

Brian Furley, 5510, Anonymous, Portland, Oregon, 55.

He wants us to mention Nick and Terry, who are expecting a new human resources any day.

In the morning.

Sean Pendergast in Vista, California, 55.

Preston Isaacson in Boca Ratan, another Boca person, 5333.

Michael Gates, 52.80.

Robin Winkle with a long note for some reason in

Ensheda.

Enshaday.

Pretty close.

Enshede in Holland.

Enshede, yes.

And you can read her note.

First time.

Look at her notes if you're not going to be afraid.

First-time donor, please deduce me.

You've been deduced.

Came to us through the Robert Jensen podcast.

Jensen donation.

John Bossano.

Hey, there he is.

I haven't seen him for a while in Madison, Alabama.

$52.72.

These are $50 donors, actually.

Alex

Salash

Salashauer?

Salahashour.

Salazar.

Maybe.

McDermott, and he came at 52.72.

There's also McDermott Connor in Estero, Florida, 5272.

Roger Kesey in Holland, Michigan.

Douglas Johnson, 5272, and Lithia, Florida.

Then we get to the 50s, just the plain old 50s.

Name and location, starting with Matt Crazy in St.

John's, Florida.

A lot of Floridians.

Yeah, Matt.

They're on fire.

Foster Birch in New York.

Daniel LeBoy in Bath, Michigan.

James Sharimetta in Napanok, New York.

Rebecca Ho or Hogg or one of the two in Memphis, Tennessee.

Chris Connacher in Anchorage, Alaska.

Alex Zavala in Kylie, Texas.

Narzis

Nadenoff.

Kyle.

Kyle, Texas.

Not Kylie.

Kyle.

Kyle, Texas.

Not Kylie?

No.

No.

Kyle.

Narzis

Nadenoff in Clifton, New Jersey.

Leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon.

And last on our list here is Brett Lemmons in Mitchell, Indiana.

I want to thank these people for making show 1771, show 1771.

Yes, and we have a jobs karma and an F-cancer karma.

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

Let's vote for jobs.

You've got karma.

You've got

karma.

And we have breaking news.

Breaking news from the quads.

President Vladimir Putin of Russia has said he is willing to negotiate a peace treaty between President Trump and Elon Musk.

It's the joke of the day, apparently.

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And first off, we have to thank our flight attendant extraordinaire, Dame Christina Pearl, for being a supporter of the No Agenda Show.

And she celebrated her birthday on June 4th.

Love and kisses from us.

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He celebrates on the 6th.

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And finally, Ashley Larson.

Happy birthday to her brother Char Chad Larson.

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Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.

We congratulate our brand new PhDs, Commodore Archduke, known as CAD, and Blake Luther.

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The commencement ceremony is taking place as we speak at noagenderrings.com.

Let us know exactly what name you want to put on it.

It's a very, very handsome PhD diploma, and anyone can take a look at those at noagenderings.com.

And we have some actual rings to hand out.

We've got some knights ready to go.

Oh, wait a minute.

First, I need to read this note.

A layaway knight, Jeffrey Morrill.

He's been a sustaining donor since 2018.

Why?

He says.

Because real sustainability is only the best podcast in the universe.

To all the slaves, I say, make sure you're eating government mac and cheese and donate early and often.

It works.

Now, he has a very long note here,

but I will skip through a few pieces.

And he says, Adam, John, may God bless you with the best exit strategy in the universe by letting Jesus be your shelter.

My church has seen a massive increase more than pre-COVID numbers and one protester.

Praise God.

We are winning.

Nothing compared to the beat drop in church.

John, I have one.

I, for one, have been receiving all newsletters, so I'm not sure why of all the failures.

Hmm.

What do you think?

Have we had failures?

Well, you didn't even get the last newsletter.

You told me so yourself, and you have two email addresses.

But Tina did get it.

That's the crazy thing.

But you didn't get it.

I didn't get it.

And I've never, at least,

at least one of my two

email addresses always gets it.

Let me just see.

Does Does he have,

he wants an apple in his room?

Okay, there you go.

This is exactly right.

It works.

Becoming a layaway knight.

And since 2018, love hearing that.

Fantastic.

You are going to be invited up on the podium.

If you can give me your blade, John, a nice big sword.

Hello.

There you go.

There it is.

All right, Jeffrey Morrill.

Come on up, you sustaining donor guy, anonymous black sheep,

Eric Clay Thomason, and Blake Luther.

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Did I miss this anonymous black sheep knight?

I guess we knighted him, but we but we and we gave him the wrong name.

Not sure.

This is so confusing.

And Eric Clay was also

a layaway knight after years of throwing pennies and nickels into value for value.

Yeah, Yeah, he became Sir Snortle.

Okay, I think I got everything right.

So

the guy who

got his name wrong, anonymous black sheep, now E61, Black Sheep Lord of the East Lansing Hinterlands, he says he feels he should be a black knight, but I don't think that counts.

We didn't forget him.

We just did the wrong name.

Am I correct?

That would be my assumption, yeah.

Okay.

Take it up with the back office.

Notes at noagendashow.net.

You can always send in a request for a variance.

Well, I think he did send in the request.

Form 414.

Did he send that in?

He did not send in the form.

That is exactly the problem.

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Go take a look at that handsome night ring.

It's a signet ring, so it comes with sticks of wax, which you can melt and then stick your ring into it to seal your important correspondence.

And as always, with a certificate of authenticity.

And welcome again to the roundtable of the No Agenda Knights and Dames.

No Agenda meetups.

And those meetups take place all around the globe.

We love it when people send in reports and let us know how things went.

And we have a very famous

super arch.

What is the top, the top level?

The Archduke?

Grand Duke.

Grand Duke, I'm sorry.

The Grand Duke of Tokyo.

That's who I'm talking about.

Grand Duke Mark.

And he sent us the report for the Tokyo meetup from May 31st.

Hey, John.

Hey, Adam.

Samark here.

We're having another great meetup in Tokyo, rolling out the red carpet for our international guests.

Irishima Sen!

In the morning from Tokyo!

In the morning, this is Sir Patrick Hobold, Duke of the South, out here in 10 Cups.

Howdy.

And Dame Sarah?

Dame Catherine, they're eating the dogs.

Sir James, they're eating the cats.

This is Marina.

Hi, Dad.

I know you're listening.

This is Harold.

Yroshka Nee Simas.

This is Abi.

I got ants.

Hey, Adam and John C.

This is Brandon coming to you from 10 Cups in Tokyo.

I sunk my boat today in Yokohama Harbor.

What's Kadisama Deshito?

Hi, John and Adam.

Much love to you both.

And we're celebrating Ono Sato's win to Yokozuna.

Yee-hee!

Daymastered here.

Straight from Tokyo is

Raven.

Raven now apparently has a job in Tokyo.

And Sir Mark also sent me pictures of the meetup, good-looking people.

There were so many night and dame rings, it wasn't funny.

And Dame Astrid has a dynamite new hairdo.

You got to take a look.

It's short.

It looks fantastic.

I'm just saying that.

A promo sent in by Dirty Jersey Whore, Way Too Long.

The East Texas June meetup.

Let's listen how long we can stand it.

Y'all, come on down to Rotolo's Pizzeria in Longview, Texas, for an extraordinary gathering of minds indeed.

My dear friends, do allow me to extend a most cordial invitation.

Prepare yourselves, for we are orchestrating a rendezvous that promises to be more delightful than a perfectly brewed cup of Earl Grey on a crisp morning.

Kindly mark your esteemed calendars for the 29th of June at 3.33 p.m.

This, I assure you, is to be a most agreeable, unburdened, and utterly no-agenda sort of gathering.

An opportunity for us to simply relax, exchange pleasantries.

One might even anticipate a few spirited discussions, shall we say, conspiracy-laced yarns over a refresh.

You have to hit the gong when you're tired of it.

Refreshing beverage.

There will be no grand pronouncements, no tiresome pitches.

There it is.

There's the gong.

There's the gong.

Two minutes of promo.

That's not a promo.

That's longer than I allow end of show mixes.

Dirty, just

30 seconds should be your goal.

Yeah, I think so.

30 seconds.

I think so, too.

I think so, too.

It was cute, but it's just too much.

Sorry.

Think of a TV ad.

Yeah.

They sell them in 30-second increments.

The one-minute ones are boring.

Yeah, this was two minutes.

Yeah.

Too long.

There is a meetup happening tomorrow, Big Tom's Bar in Brussels.

Oh, yes, we want to have the Sauvants in Brussels-Belgium meetup report.

Remember to include your server.

6 o'clock at last-minute meetup at Big Tom's Bar.

Can't wait to hear the report from that.

And on Sunday, our next show day, the fourth annual Louisiana Crawfish Boil, two o'clock is when it kicks off at Shaw Acres.

You've got an RSVP for that one in Prairieville, Louisiana.

Mary Moon is hosting that.

Sounds like that's going to be fun.

Coming up on the agenda, we have the Copenhagen-Denmark meetup.

We have the Lazarus Wart Kulenburg meetup.

New York City on this on the 14th.

We got

Khan in France on the 17th.

Who says we're not international?

Please, I want to have meetup reports from all of these faraway places.

And you can schedule your own or find out where these are at noagendametups.com.

Go ahead, go check it out.

If you can't find one near you, you must start one yourself.

It's a fact.

Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

You want to be where you won't be triggered or hell lame.

You want to be where everybody feels the same.

It's like a party.

So, have I now detected?

Oh, no, you do have one ISO.

I thought that you were like on some kind of strike because I

didn't like the

AI.

You don't like the good AI ones, even though you loved them for a couple of months until you found out they were AI.

You're an AI bigot.

Correct.

That would be me.

So you have a four-second one?

That's a violation itself.

It says three seconds on my rundown.

I would like to introduce you to a new brand of Angus beef.

Here's mine.

It is damn good storytelling.

Boom.

Do you like that one?

Yeah.

Okay, we'll use that one.

And right now, ladies and gentlemen, as we round out the show, it is time for the famous John's tip of the day.

Green advice for you and me.

Just the tip with JCD.

And sometimes at all.

Creative advice.

My ISO was actually designed to kind of ridicule Megan Kelly and her advertising.

Oh my gosh, she does so much of it.

And a lot of it native or native sounding.

Yes.

Yeah.

She's good at it.

I have to say, she's just good.

She's good.

Megan is good.

Her morning updates, I listen to that every day.

I like her morning updates.

She's become like a little network of sorts.

A little network of sorts.

Yes, that's not a show.

She's 5'6.

135 pounds.

Okay, so you've had these little lighter devices, or Scripto usually makes them.

You squeeze them, and a little flame comes out the top, and you can light your fire, your fireplace fire.

No, right?

No, I just use a Zippo like all men.

Use a Zippo lighter for light, like a cigarette lighter.

Yeah, Zippo, baby.

Or you have to stick it in there completely.

It doesn't have a point.

Well, anyway, most people have these scriptos, these lighters that they light barbecues with.

For example, if you use

a

Zippo lighter to light a barbecue, after you've soaked it in some sort of flammable liquid, you blow off your hand.

Yes.

So anyway,

don't buy it.

The ones that you normally get, which have a little flame that come out, but you click and it could flame because it's wimpy.

You want to skip that.

Scripto also makes it obscure, more obscure, but you can find them.

They're called a torch flame.

And it's literally a, it's, it looks just like a regular scripto thing with the pointy end and the little thing you click like that.

Yes.

Only the flame is not like some wimpy flame.

It's like a propane butane thing that

you could weld with.

You can solder with this thing.

Wow.

It's an intense little flame.

It's dangerously so that could burn through stuff.

It's fabulous.

This is the way to go.

It's called a torch flame.

You can find them.

They do have them.

You have to almost look it up specifically to find them.

They only sell them in onesies or not in packs of three.

And you have to actually look for them.

And they vary in price, but they're about the same price, although I've seen it more expensive.

They're about the same price as the Wimpy Little lighter.

This is what you want.

Torch Flame from Scripto.

Yeah, Torch Flame.

Let me just, I'm looking it up here.

How big is this thing?

It's a normal size.

It's the size of every one of these things.

They're all about the same size as the regular Scripto lighter.

But this thing

is what you want.

Wow.

That looks cool.

You can also do creme brulee with it.

Yes, that's the cool thing about it.

You can literally burn that.

You can burn your initials in the creme brulee.

There it is, ladies and gentlemen.

John C.

DeVorax, Tip of the Day.

Look at all over the tipoftheday.net.

Great advice for you and me.

Just the tip with JCD.

And sometimes at home.

Created by Dana Bernetti.

That's right.

Where will we be without Dana Bernetti?

We barely have a show without him.

He says he's going to do the diploma.

The commencement speech?

Yeah.

I knew we could get him for that.

Well, he also has demands.

Great.

Oh.

Oh.

It's a great get.

Well, he gets the honorary degree, which is even worse than a regular degree.

But he has other demands.

All right.

Well, I'm sure we will buckle to his demands because, after all, he's Hollywood royalty.

On the way, if you listen to your live stream, we have next on the No Agenda stream, Complex Candor,

which I'm not familiar with this podcast, ComplexCandor.com.

The episode is titled Spirit.

And before that, you will hear outstanding end-of-show mixes from Fletcher, from Vinnie Payne, and Mellow D.

That's right.

And we'll be back on Sunday with more media deconstruction for you coming to you right now from the hill country of Texas, which is where the lunches are held by the ladies, and we learn a lot.

In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Yeah, from Northern Silicon Valley, where everything I said earlier is wrong.

It's too windy here.

I'm John C.

Dvorak.

We return on Sunday.

Please remember us at NoAgendadonations.com.

Until then, adios mofos, a hooey-hooey, and such

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Thank God for these two gentlemen right here.

They've been killing us for over ten years.

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Happy to maintain that cerebral function.

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well I'm down thanks Obama

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Sanctuary

Thanks, Obama.

What's that in your mouth?

It hasn't penetrated my

aggressive form of prostate cancer.

The aggressive form of prostate cancer.

I'm actually sorry,

but have you ever noticed the use of the word aggressive form of cancer?

Aggressive form of prostate cancer.

There's no response in any of you.

We're good.

My bones are strong.

It hadn't penetrated, so let's go do it.

Four to President Joe Biden addressing his health for the first time since being diagnosed with an aggressive form of prostate cancer, saying he's starting treatment.

it also penetrated my bones.

That's what he's literally saying.

Says, I'm an American.

The best podcast in the universe.

Audio Mofo Devorak.org slash n a it is damn good storytelling.