1752 - "Pell-Mell"

Speaker 1 I have a niner. Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.

Speaker 2 It's Thursday, April 3rd, 2025. This is your award-winning Kimball Nation Media Assassination episode 1752.

Speaker 1 This is no agenda.

Speaker 6 Feeling liberated and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Snow Country here in FEMA, region number six.

Speaker 8 In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 1 And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's time to filibuster the show. I'm John C.

Speaker 9 Dvorak. It's Craig Bladden Buzzkill in the morning.

Speaker 13 I want everyone to know that John and I are wearing catheters on the show so we can continue to bring you the best media deconstruction non-stop.

Speaker 16 They always say that.

Speaker 17 Well, that person who stood there for 24 hours, they had a catheter.

Speaker 20 Remember that crazy woman who did that?

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you talking about

Speaker 1 the space astronaut?

Speaker 23 No, no.

Speaker 24 No, she was wearing a diaper.

Speaker 23 No, there was a...

Speaker 1 I think Corey Booker is wearing a diaper.

Speaker 1 Makes more sense.

Speaker 13 Democrats.

Speaker 12 There was another filibuster.

Speaker 25 Ted Cruz did one.

Speaker 28 No, no, it was

Speaker 29 in the Texas Senate, I think.

Speaker 1 Oh, just the abortion bill or whatever it was?

Speaker 31 Yeah, it was that

Speaker 32 Wendy Davis.

Speaker 33 That's who it was.

Speaker 1 Wendy.

Speaker 34 Wendy Davis.

Speaker 1 Whatever happened to Wendy.

Speaker 9 She disappeared.

Speaker 19 I remember, well, whatever did happen to Wendy Davis.

Speaker 35 I remember

Speaker 36 because I was still in Austin then.

Speaker 33 And I think, in fact, I think I still hung out with

Speaker 38 the artist and her

Speaker 1 artist.

Speaker 11 Another one gone by.

Speaker 1 I met her.

Speaker 1 She came to San Francisco for some art exhibit.

Speaker 39 Yeah, because she's an artist.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 40 She was wacky. She was a wacky.

Speaker 42 Yeah, she was running for governor.

Speaker 35 And I remember I was like... The artist?

Speaker 43 No, no, Wendy Davis.

Speaker 11 Not the artist. Wendy Davis.

Speaker 45 But I remember when Wendy, oh, Wendy Davis, she's so brave. She's so courageous.
You know, she was wearing a catheter.

Speaker 18 She was catheterized.

Speaker 45 She's amazing.

Speaker 1 To be cringe.

Speaker 47 Yeah. So

Speaker 48 that's exactly what they said of Corey Booker.

Speaker 24 But I'm with you. I think he was wearing a diaper.

Speaker 18 I think that's much more realistic.

Speaker 49 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 27 What was that about, Vid? Do you have any clips of that?

Speaker 51 Please tell me.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I only have the summary clip.

Speaker 53 24 hours of that.

Speaker 13 Let's see. What was it?

Speaker 55 Where do you have it?

Speaker 56 Is it under Booker, maybe?

Speaker 57 Oh, it's Bory.

Speaker 59 Booker. I got Booker.
Booker short report.

Speaker 60 This is a lot shorter than what he did.

Speaker 62 New Jersey Democratic Senator Corey Booker has been speaking on the floor of the U.S. Senate since Monday evening, saying he's protesting President Trump's agenda.

Speaker 62 And Fierce Deidre Deidre Walsh has more.

Speaker 13 Booker began speaking on the Senate floor around 7 p.m.

Speaker 65 local time and said he would remain there for as long as he could to use the platform to highlight his opposition to Republican policies.

Speaker 65 He stood and declared his intention to, in his words, get in some good trouble.

Speaker 67 I rise with the intention of disrupting the normal business of the United States Senate for as long as I am physically able.

Speaker 65 Booker's extended speech is not likely to delay any legislation and is not technically a filibuster.

Speaker 65 He'll read letters he's received from constituents, worried about possible cuts to programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Speaker 65 Senators from both parties have used similar tactics to draw attention to issues, even when they were unable to stop Senate votes.

Speaker 70 Well, it completely fell flat.

Speaker 1 It was a lunatic. You know, the thing they tried to

Speaker 1 dramatize it on NPR, I didn't get this clip, but they went on the show that compared it to

Speaker 1 the James Stewart movie. And Mr.
Smith goes to Washington. And how James Stewart was, he was there protesting the corruption.
And

Speaker 1 as they presented it, I'm starting to think, wait a minute, Corey Booker is actually protesting the anti-corruption.

Speaker 1 He was protesting for corruption. He wanted more government

Speaker 13 news.

Speaker 24 More waste, please.

Speaker 12 We want more waste.

Speaker 73 Now, this is, so I think Chuck Schumer started another,

Speaker 32 like, all right, everybody, we can do this.

Speaker 11 We can all get together and we can flood the zone.

Speaker 59 We'll flood the zone.

Speaker 11 We'll tell everybody what they're doing.

Speaker 74 Let's just lie.

Speaker 75 Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 76 Let's tell them that they're going to take away your social security.

Speaker 77 Granny,

Speaker 42 they're doing exactly what the Republicans did with the granny in the wheelchair.

Speaker 60 Remember that? They're pushing granny over the cliff.

Speaker 1 Remember that, yes.

Speaker 71 So they

Speaker 71 should put

Speaker 23 a wheelchair going

Speaker 12 put together a war room, a Social Security war room, and they all got together.

Speaker 15 And we're going to do some speeches and we're going to scare Gran A.

Speaker 82 Look, Social Security has always been the third rail in American politics. You touch it, you get burnt.
George W. Bush learned that the hard way.

Speaker 82 This Trump Doge Musk vote administration is in such a bubble,

Speaker 82 they don't understand it. They are so frothing at the mouth for tax cuts.

Speaker 13 Jacques Hughes.

Speaker 50 Jacques Hughes.

Speaker 60 Who's frothing at the mouth, Chuck Schumer?

Speaker 82 Is in such a bubble. They don't understand it.
They are so frothing at the mouth.

Speaker 1 What about a gaslighter?

Speaker 85 Oh, it gets better because we got Warren and that other old bag here.

Speaker 82 For tax cuts for the wealthy that they're willing to even touch Social Security. And they're not just touching it.

Speaker 82 They're trying to destroy it. They're trying to strangle it.

Speaker 87 Elon Musk makes $8 million a day

Speaker 16 from the federal government.

Speaker 87 And he wants to take away the $65 a day that the average Social Security recipient gets. This is really ugly.

Speaker 89 I mean, it's such a lie.

Speaker 27 There is no truth, no evidence whatsoever.

Speaker 59 This is actually,

Speaker 60 now you are scaring Granny and other people.

Speaker 23 People actually are looking at their check.

Speaker 92 Well, let me get my my check. Let me see.

Speaker 16 Let me see if they, if they cut it.

Speaker 87 Trump and Musk know that they don't have the votes in Congress to cut Social Security.

Speaker 87 So instead, they're trying backdoor cuts by dismantling the agency that makes sure that Americans get the benefits they are legally entitled to.

Speaker 10 How does that even make sense? So they know they can't do it, but they're going to

Speaker 94 close the door.

Speaker 95 They're going to stop the checks.

Speaker 10 They're going to lay in front of the mail truck.

Speaker 96 Social Security is under siege. The chainsaw is pointed at their earned Social Security benefits.

Speaker 96 We believe Republicans have manufactured a crisis of Social Security, and the reality is Social Security would be fully funded for generations if Congress eliminated the payroll tax

Speaker 96 cap for billionaires and collected the money that they are illegally evading in taxes.

Speaker 96 So they're getting a head start by laying off people who are responsible for collecting taxes owed by the wealthy.

Speaker 81 So then they had another tactic.

Speaker 61 Well, I know what we'll do.

Speaker 15 We'll tell everybody Elon's quitting because we're getting to him.

Speaker 99 Well, let's stay in the U.S. where media reports are saying that Donald Trump has told close associates that Elon Musk will soon step down from his job in the administration.

Speaker 1 Mr.

Speaker 99 Musk is head of the Department of Government Efficiency, or Doge, where he's in charge of cutting federal bureaucracy.

Speaker 99 Reports emerged after an election in Wisconsin that developed into a test of Musk and Trump's popularity in the state.

Speaker 99 The tech billionaire poured millions of dollars into the election to pick a new judge on Wisconsin's Supreme Court.

Speaker 100 Musk's Trump-friendly candidate lost to a liberal.

Speaker 99 The White House responded to the reports by saying Musk will depart from public service when his work at Doge is complete.

Speaker 63 So they started this rumor.

Speaker 79 Oh, Elon's quitting.

Speaker 39 Oh, he's leaving.

Speaker 102 Everybody jumped on it.

Speaker 103 The news. The news.
Ed news.

Speaker 103 Here's NBC's version.

Speaker 93 You have some new

Speaker 106 Nothing.

Speaker 86 We've heard from President Trump and that'd be a good chant.

Speaker 25 What do we know? Nothing.

Speaker 108 Why do we not know it?

Speaker 61 We're dumb.

Speaker 109 Yeah, Kate, over the last several days, we've heard from President Trump in the Oval Office on Monday saying that Elon Musk would be going back to the private sector in the near future.

Speaker 109 Well, we're just hearing from a senior White House official that the president did tell his cabinet back during a meeting on march 24th uh that elon musk uh the who heads up doge and of course has become a key figure in this administration that he would be going back to the private sector and the white house official tells me that this would be at the end of his 130 days as a special government uh employee of course that would be uh in late march so of course kate this how would that be late march

Speaker 1 of next year

Speaker 109 comes on the heels of that a special election in wisconsin yesterday where Democrats are seeing that as a win.

Speaker 109 Elon Musk, of course, spending millions, his PAC, spending millions of dollars on that state Supreme Court race.

Speaker 109 And his candidate lost significantly in that race. This all comes in that timing.

Speaker 109 But again, the White House saying that this was in the works before this, and this just simply is Elon Musk's role as a government employee running its course case.

Speaker 33 I will say, when Musk was running around on the stage in Wisconsin with the cheese on his head, I thought, man, you are a Trump's monkey boy.

Speaker 30 You'll really do it.

Speaker 112 You'll do whatever he wants you to.

Speaker 114 I thought that was bad.

Speaker 115 But I all know the bottom line is Elon is political poison.

Speaker 117 This morning you can find some Democrats smiling, maybe for the first time in the last few months.

Speaker 117 That's after some good special election results, an outright win in Wisconsin, and some better margins in the state of Florida. So what does it all mean and what really happened?

Speaker 117 Chief data analyst Harry Enton is here. Let's start with a little bit of wisconsin right an amuse bouche on wisconsin amuz bouches

Speaker 16 bouche

Speaker 118 like some sorbet

Speaker 27 how do they come up with these with these

Speaker 16 chef has a special treat especially for you and amuse

Speaker 11 you know uh i had dinner the other night at um

Speaker 41 What's it called here?

Speaker 11 It's a Cabernet Grill, which is actually probably the best place to get steak.

Speaker 121 And you know what they had as an amuse bouche?

Speaker 77 A specialty from the chef before?

Speaker 1 A single pistachio.

Speaker 61 No, no, it's Cabernet Grill, man.

Speaker 11 We're Texans.

Speaker 122 No, they had deep-fried deviled eggs.

Speaker 1 This was. Well, that's a Scotch egg.

Speaker 25 I believe. Well, don't.

Speaker 27 But I mean, no, because it was really, they had really done the deviled thing inside.

Speaker 123 You know, so it was a half an egg and they put

Speaker 42 the filling in. So it was really a deviled egg, not a Scotch.

Speaker 74 A Scotch egg is just the whole egg.

Speaker 121 But anyway, that was their Amuse Bouche.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's interesting. How was it? It was probably tasty.

Speaker 10 It was fantastic.

Speaker 61 Yeah, yeah, we go nuts here.

Speaker 72 We try all kinds of stuff in the deepest.

Speaker 125 Oh, there's nothing like these.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they're not invented.

Speaker 9 I like it.

Speaker 117 Amuz Bouche on Wisconsin. This was a race.
Elon Musk spent big in this

Speaker 126 race to sway the Supreme Court race there.

Speaker 128 And he also went to Wisconsin, which may honestly have backfired.

Speaker 98 Yeah, I think it may have backfired.

Speaker 129 Look, I think if there's one thing we should be taking away from the results in Wisconsin and the polling that we have from Wisconsin and National, if you are a Republican candidate running in a swing state, you don't want Elon Musk anywhere near you.

Speaker 129 Yes, maybe you like the money, but you do not want his presence in your state. Why is that? Elon Musk, simply put, is an unpopular guy.
He is political poison. Look in Wisconsin.

Speaker 129 His net favorable rating. Minus 12 points, 12 points underwater.

Speaker 1 He's the stats guy.

Speaker 10 They forgot to mention that Soros spent more.

Speaker 13 That's right.

Speaker 1 They try to downplay the Soros thing. I've seen a number of stories where they don't even mention Soros.
It's just that one side was backed by a billionaire and the other side, oh, grassroots.

Speaker 23 Yeah, total grassroots. Yes.

Speaker 20 And at this point, it's got to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 And Soros has done nothing but damage the system. Everybody he puts in has been these soft on crime weenies.
And it's just that this is. And you'd think the media would

Speaker 1 side with anybody but Soros, but no, no, Soros is great.

Speaker 33 And I think it's Open Society Institute, which has got to be Alex at this point.

Speaker 29 I mean, George.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, George is

Speaker 1 gone.

Speaker 23 Yeah,

Speaker 74 we need to say Alex Soros, just to make it clear.

Speaker 130 And

Speaker 10 is he now married to

Speaker 53 Aberdeen? Is that all done?

Speaker 91 Did that happen?

Speaker 103 I don't think so.

Speaker 3 Hmm.

Speaker 49 Aberdeen.

Speaker 129 Political poison. Look at Aberdeen.
Wisconsin is net favorable rating.

Speaker 98 Minus 12 points, 12 points underwater.

Speaker 4 That

Speaker 129 is an even worse number when you look nationally. Look at that.
It's minus 17 points.

Speaker 13 Dude, dude, Beezy does it.

Speaker 129 So, if there's one big lesson to take away from Wisconsin, Elon Musk does not help Republicans when he shows up. If anything, the data suggests that he hurts him.

Speaker 129 Republicans, stay clear of Elon Musk if you want to win in a swing state, at least in terms of his physical appearance in your state.

Speaker 95 Especially with that cheese on his head i'll agree i i think the cheese on his head was a mistake i would not have advised that

Speaker 74 i would not have advised that

Speaker 1 they deteriorate after about 10 years oh they get they start to break break away like in chunky pieces No, it's like it turns into a powder. It's like a bad type of plastic.

Speaker 71 So I get rid of that.

Speaker 1 They're made out of foam.

Speaker 74 Yeah, you should get rid of that.

Speaker 76 That's probably toxic.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I can't find it.

Speaker 130 With a mic.

Speaker 1 I'm not surprised. Now it's somewhere.
I don't know where it is.

Speaker 13 So all of this fell away in the backdrop of, and I'm just going to say, we didn't know it would happen this way.

Speaker 103 It was unexpected.

Speaker 74 But I think we now are officially in World War III.

Speaker 13 That's what this is. It's a trade war, but we're in World War III.

Speaker 11 Liberation Day. And we did it backwards.

Speaker 76 We celebrated liberation first, then we started the war.

Speaker 102 It's been amazing to watch.

Speaker 33 I've just been like, because nobody knows what's going to happen with these tariffs.

Speaker 29 Every economist, oh, it's going to be great.

Speaker 39 Oh, it's going to be the worst thing ever.

Speaker 13 Oh, the whole world's going to go under recession.

Speaker 12 Depression, 1930.

Speaker 13 It's all over.

Speaker 11 Oh, no, this is going to make America the best.

Speaker 131 It's MAWA, MAWA, MAWA. That's the new one.

Speaker 13 MAWA.

Speaker 79 Make America Wealthy Again.

Speaker 83 My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day.

Speaker 101 Yeah.

Speaker 58 Waiting for a long time.

Speaker 83 April 2nd, 2025 will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day that we began to make America wealthy again.

Speaker 128 Gonna make it wealthy, good and wealthy.

Speaker 83 For decades our country has been looted, pillaged, raped, and plundered by nations near and far, both friend and foe alike.

Speaker 83 American steel workers, auto workers, farmers, and skilled craftsmen. We have a lot of them here with us today.

Speaker 83 They really suffered gravely. They watched in anguish as foreign leaders have stolen our jobs, foreign cheaters have ransacked our factories,

Speaker 83 foreign scavengers have torn apart our once beautiful American dream. We had an American dream that you don't hear so much about.

Speaker 83 You did four years ago, and you are now, but you don't too often, and for many years and decades even, you didn't hear too much about.

Speaker 83 our country and its taxpayers have been ripped off for more than 50 years, but it is not going to happen anymore. It's not going to happen.

Speaker 33 So it was very, there were a couple of really interesting things about this announcement.

Speaker 33 I was watching CNBC and Fox News and watching the after-hours numbers, the after-hour trading, and everything kind of closed on.

Speaker 53 It really surprised me.

Speaker 73 Everything closed up.

Speaker 83 And it was as if no one believed he was going to do this the minute he brought that wacky chart out that board boom everything started tanking everyone's like oh this is the the worst of all worst possible scenarios we didn't expect this well what do we do like that was what you didn't expect him to actually do this and there was something else in this uh in this speech because it's not really about tariffs but a whole bunch of other things for decades the united states slash our trade barriers on other countries while those nations placed massive tariffs on our products and created outrageous non-monetary barriers to decimate our industries.

Speaker 83 And in many cases, the non-monetary barriers were worse than the monetary ones.

Speaker 83 They manipulated their currencies, subsidized their exports, stole our intellectual property, imposed exorbitant VAT taxes to disadvantage our products, adopted unfair rules and technical standards, and created filthy pollution havens.

Speaker 83 They were absolutely filthy, but they always came to us and they said, we're violating. We should pay for it.
It's all detailed in a very big report by the U.S.

Speaker 83 Trade Representative on foreign trade barriers. And I'll just hold it up for you.
It's

Speaker 83 available, and you don't have to pay too much, as I understand it. You pay nothing.

Speaker 107 Big report.

Speaker 83 A lot of work.

Speaker 83 A lot of work for something, actually, because

Speaker 83 it's a special book. It's very, frankly, it's

Speaker 83 very upsetting when you read it, when you see what people have been doing to us for 30 years.

Speaker 24 So it's the best book ever.

Speaker 24 It's the best book ever.

Speaker 103 30 years.

Speaker 13 Boy, 30. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 40 Best book. It's a beautiful book.

Speaker 79 I started reading the book. I'm like, my eyes are glazing over from this book.

Speaker 137 And the way they calculate, and I thought it was surprising was, you know, with a reciprocal.

Speaker 98 And so the president put exactly 50% tariffs of all the tariffs that have been put on us.

Speaker 39 So if you had 40%, then you got 20% from us.

Speaker 40 And the economists are flabbergasted at how they did the calculation.

Speaker 139 Some economists have figured out the way that...

Speaker 140 What?

Speaker 1 I wanted to, which says you were on the Trump clips. I had a couple of clips I wanted to get in.

Speaker 58 Oh, yeah, okay, sure.

Speaker 1 Because...

Speaker 1 I thought that these were the more important clips of that speech of his, which were the ones that have actual numbers when he started bitching about NAFTA.

Speaker 1 And I believe that the NAFTA thing,

Speaker 1 he might be right about that. It was the deciding factor.

Speaker 38 That's where his 30 years comes from, is from NAFTA.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you're right. Because it does seem to match, because that's Clinton came up with NAFTA, and it really

Speaker 1 opened the drain, that's for sure.

Speaker 83 But since the very beginning of NAFTA, our country lost 90,000 factories. Think of what that is, 90,000.
Think about putting a map up and putting tax on it. You wouldn't have enough room.
90,000.

Speaker 83 I said, is that possible? We had it checked four different times, and it was actually somewhat higher than that.

Speaker 83 And 5 million manufacturing jobs were lost while racking up trade deficits of $19 trillion.

Speaker 83 That was the worst trade deal ever made. As a result of these gigantic losses, foreign nations now own $26 trillion more of American assets than American.

Speaker 141 Yep.

Speaker 1 I thought those were good numbers.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And $90,000 is a lot.

Speaker 13 That's a lot.

Speaker 49 Thank you. Thank you, Bill Clinton.

Speaker 1 And the other thing was, is that I remember because the first thing that came to mind with the 90,000 factories gone, and the first thing that came to mind with me was Maytag.

Speaker 1 the washing machine company.

Speaker 75 Yeah,

Speaker 1 made the greatest washing machine you could buy. It's still, I mean, you still used ones are better than the ones you can get today.

Speaker 1 And they took that, closed down the entire operation and moved the whole thing to Mexico.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 because of NAFTA, but it is part two of the NAFTA complaint.

Speaker 83 The United States can no longer produce enough antibiotics to treat our sick. We have a tremendous problem.
We have to go to foreign countries to treat our sick.

Speaker 83 If anything ever happened from a war standpoint, we wouldn't be able to do it. We import virtually all of our computers, phones, televisions, and electronics.

Speaker 83 We used to dominate the field, and now we import it all from different countries. A single shipyard in China now produces more ships every year than all of the American shipyards combined.

Speaker 83 Think of that. And it was a business that we used to dominate.
We used to dominate it totally. In short, chronic trade deficits are no longer merely an economic problem.

Speaker 83 They're a national emergency that threatens our security and our very way of life.

Speaker 41 So, I want to play this clip from Deutsche Ville, where they explain the calculation of the numbers because they did not really look at the tariffs.

Speaker 40 They looked at completely different things.

Speaker 139 Some economists have figured out the way that these were calculated by the White House and its team, and these economists have been flabbergasted at how cumbersome these equations are.

Speaker 139 Basically, saying that the U.S. took the trade deficit that the U.S.

Speaker 139 has with said country and divided it by the imports from that country, which is a very clunky way of doing things and not as surgical as you would expect.

Speaker 139 Some countries, though, however, of course, have tried to stave off these tariffs. The White House, though, said that it was too little, too late.

Speaker 139 A senior White House official that we heard from said, quote, this is not a negotiation. It's a national emergency.

Speaker 139 And they said that the biggest problem was not necessarily tariff, but the tariffs themselves, but actually non-tariff barriers.

Speaker 139 So things like quotas, import licenses, embargoes, and things like that. So, there are still some countries, however, trying to work their way around these tariffs.

Speaker 139 But right now, they will be coming into effect in the next couple of days, a minimum of 10%, but some nations paying drastically more than that.

Speaker 10 So, they were really looking at the grand picture.

Speaker 95 I think

Speaker 143 that's kind of smart.

Speaker 23 I thought so, too.

Speaker 1 Which brings me to another clip, if you don't mind.

Speaker 110 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 50 This is the

Speaker 125 mic, man.

Speaker 63 You're not hitting the mic.

Speaker 49 I'm sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 71 So

Speaker 1 I was reaching for something

Speaker 1 while talking.

Speaker 23 What were you reaching for?

Speaker 1 The paper that has the list of clips.

Speaker 85 Ah, the clip list.

Speaker 145 Very important paper.

Speaker 1 NPR, when they discussed this, they were, you know, and you saw this in most media. In fact, here we start with this tariff slant NPR.
You can hear what they think

Speaker 1 behind it. You know, it's like it is bad.

Speaker 32 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 146 President Donald Trump announced a sweeping plan to apply a 10% tariff on all imports coming into the U.S.

Speaker 146 MBR's Franco Ordonias reports a list of countries will also face additional, quote, reciprocal tariffs.

Speaker 147 Some countries will face reciprocal tariffs as high as 49%,

Speaker 147 and what some experts describe as the most aggressive changes to U.S. trade policy in decades.
President Trump announced a plan during a Rose Garden ceremony at the White House.

Speaker 83 This is one of the most important days, in in my opinion, in American history. It's our Declaration of Economic Independence.
U.S.

Speaker 147 officials say the 10 percent tariffs will start April 5th. About 60 countries will face additional, customized, reciprocal tariffs starting on April 9th.

Speaker 147 Trump boasted the plan would supercharge the industrial base and boost government revenues, but most economists warn that tariffs will raise prices for consumers and could hurt the economy.

Speaker 146 The exact extent to which the new Trump administration tariffs will play out in the economy is unknown, but if history is any guide, while the tariffs could create jobs in some sectors, they will also cause job losses in others.

Speaker 146 Diane Swank is the chief economist at KPMG U.S.

Speaker 146 She says the higher tariffs against goods imported from other countries could essentially rewrite the way global trade has been conducted, potentially pushing up prices for U.S. consumers.

Speaker 149 Tariffs are a regressive tax. Not only do they tax those who can afford at least, they also tend to trigger reactions by our trading partners and can trigger a trade war.

Speaker 149 And they cause inflation and stem growth at the same time.

Speaker 146 The new tariffs will not apply to some goods like steel and aluminum, which are already subject to tariffs.

Speaker 91 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: I like this.

Speaker 151 They're continuously calling it a tax.

Speaker 49 A tax.

Speaker 152 Yeah, it's a tax.

Speaker 20 It's a tax on your own people.

Speaker 113 And then Queen Ursula says, well, we're just going to have to raise our tariffs.

Speaker 23 Well, aren't you saying you're going to raise taxes on your own people then?

Speaker 13 It's a tariff. It's a tariff.

Speaker 1 It's never presented that way. That's a very good observation.
Yeah, it's not. It's never presented that.
It's only on our side. Everything's bad about us.

Speaker 1 And NPR, you know, they don't have a balance. They don't have one guy saying something else.
I mean, I got clips. I got all of that.

Speaker 13 Of course not.

Speaker 51 Why would you do that?

Speaker 1 So I was stunned. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 When Planet Money...

Speaker 94 Oh, that's the, is that Kyle the spook?

Speaker 1 I don't know who it is, but no, this is, no, that was the other

Speaker 30 money show.

Speaker 59 The other spooker.

Speaker 69 The other spooky show.

Speaker 37 I don't know Planet Money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Planet Money, similar. And Planet Money, which is on NPR, they played these two.
I got two clips here. And they kind of went to the, and I

Speaker 1 didn't get the memo, I guess, and they kind of took it the other way.

Speaker 153 But for a long time, the dominant voices in the profession made the case that those trade-offs were really worth it. Top lawmakers in both parties in the U.S.

Speaker 153 really bought into this idea that, you know, free trade would be great for America, and they really pushed it for the rest of the world.

Speaker 154 And through the decades of that argument, there's been an economist who argued that the dominant voices in economics were wrong.

Speaker 154 That free trade actually sometimes held countries back, and protectionism could help make them richer.

Speaker 155 Hi, I'm Hajun Chang. I'm professor of economics at the University of London.

Speaker 154 Ha-Jun Chang wrote a book called Kicking Away the Ladder in 2002 about how rich countries used protectionist policies like tariffs back when they were developing, and then told everyone else they couldn't do that.

Speaker 154 They had to do free trade.

Speaker 153 And being a pro-tariff economist back in the early 2000s, it was kind of lonely. But he's got kind of the perfect example of why tariffs can work.

Speaker 157 My favorite example is Hyundai, the automobile company.

Speaker 154 When Ha-Jun was a little kid growing up in South Korea, Hyundai was not yet an automobile company.

Speaker 157 Hyundai originally was a construction company, but sometime in the late 60s, this company decided that they want to build an automobile manufacturing business.

Speaker 154 So first, Hyundai had to figure out how to make a car.

Speaker 154 Hajun says it started by placing an order with Ford for something called a knockdown kit, which is just a big wooden box full of all the parts you could ever need to build one car.

Speaker 154 The box arrives, you open it up, and it's just full of car parts, large and small. A door, a bolt, two headlights.

Speaker 14 Isn't that how they put the Cybertruck together?

Speaker 1 For the knockdown kit?

Speaker 21 For the knockdown kit? The B.

Speaker 23 Just throw a couple of stuff.

Speaker 9 They paneled it up, but they had the wrong.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 60 Have you ever seen a knockdown kit?

Speaker 1 No, I never have. I've heard of them.

Speaker 159 Huh. Interesting.

Speaker 1 So, so that goes from there, and then the kicker here is exactly what you mentioned a minute ago, which is that instead of using the tariff number,

Speaker 1 you use the actual, what they actually did in the car.

Speaker 74 The trade balance in general, they took the trade balance.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but listen to this piece of information, how Hyundai got into business in the first place, and now they make a really terrific car.

Speaker 1 But listen to what did you think they had to do to get to the point where they are now?

Speaker 125 Listen.

Speaker 157 They assembled around 3,000 of those cars in the late 60s.

Speaker 157 And then in the mid-70s, the South Korean government said, We are going to cancel the license to automobile manufacturers unless they come up with their own design.

Speaker 154 Yeah, the government was like, actually, we want our car industry to be real companies, global players.

Speaker 63 Assembling a Ford car is not our end goal here.

Speaker 160 Can you level up a little bit?

Speaker 153 So, Hyundai had to come out with their own design. In 1976, it made the Hyundai Pony.

Speaker 13 It was the first Korean passenger car.

Speaker 153 They made around 10,000 of them in a year.

Speaker 157 In the same year, Ford produced 1.9 million cars. General Motors produced 4.8 million cars.

Speaker 154 So they had a ways to go, and they got a lot of help.

Speaker 157 Initially, this company had to be hugely subsidized both by the government and by its own existing business, especially construction.

Speaker 157 There was no way this company was going to be able to make money without that.

Speaker 153 So, yeah, Hyundai was losing money on this new venture, and he's saying the government decided to pitch in, give it some subsidies, and the other parts of Hyundai that were profitable sent over their money.

Speaker 153 But even that wasn't enough.

Speaker 157 Even then, it had to be protected from foreign competition. Because who's going to buy this two-bit car when you could import a Cadillac or, you know, know Mustang, yeah?

Speaker 34 No way. So

Speaker 157 import of foreign cars were completely banned.

Speaker 5 Yeah. A total import ban.
Like a tariff to infinity, the tariff of all tariffs.

Speaker 131 Oh, man.

Speaker 9 That's how you do it. Yeah.

Speaker 49 Complete ban.

Speaker 39 I mean, I guess we subsidize our

Speaker 138 aircraft manufacturing industry with war.

Speaker 39 in a way, or maybe that doesn't even count anymore.

Speaker 164 And actually, I watch a lot of Bloomberg television, which is so much superior to CNBC.

Speaker 26 CNBC is just pretty people, hair on fire.

Speaker 71 Bloomberg is actually ugly people on Bloomberg.

Speaker 115 And, you know, they have just,

Speaker 138 the video is not the most important thing.

Speaker 17 It's all the stats and the charts around it.

Speaker 165 And they had Tom Ford on.

Speaker 120 He's, what is he

Speaker 63 the governor of again?

Speaker 57 Of Ottawa.

Speaker 1 Of Ottawa. Or no, of Ontario.
Ontario. I think so.

Speaker 71 And so,

Speaker 133 you know, there's this massive carve-out for Mexico and for Canada based on the USMCA, which is the renegotiated version of NAFTA that the president did when he was 45.

Speaker 158 And man, it's like this.

Speaker 92 Remember, Tom Ford, I'm going to turn off the power.

Speaker 108 We're going to fight you.

Speaker 25 We don't care about you.

Speaker 13 Look at me.

Speaker 108 I smoke crack like my brother.

Speaker 21 And this is a whole new guy.

Speaker 61 Canada got a break, and they know it.

Speaker 167 It's great to have you with us, Mr. Ford.
You've called this Termination Day instead of Liberation Day.

Speaker 167 What will be the response now from Canada?

Speaker 168 Well, let's see where these tariffs go. I'm cautiously optimistic that I never saw Canada or Mexico on that list.

Speaker 168 And it just goes to show you two great countries working together, collaborating together, and building relationships. So it's,

Speaker 168 again, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think

Speaker 168 if that's the case, it's the right thing for both the U.S. and Canada.

Speaker 169 Well, and considering Canada was not on that list, we understand the existing regime is in place, so the tariffs that are in place with the exemption of goods that are USMCA compliant.

Speaker 169 Does that mean, sir, at least in your mind, that it wouldn't be appropriate for Canada to retaliate for this at this time?

Speaker 168 That is correct.

Speaker 168 If that's the case, then

Speaker 168 I would highly recommend to the Prime Minister not to retaliate. And let's carry on a strong relationship.
Let's build the Amcan Fortress, American-Canadian Fortress,

Speaker 168 around both countries and be the wealthiest, most prosperous, safest two countries in the world.

Speaker 12 So he went, wait a minute.

Speaker 172 He went from,

Speaker 134 you know, shutting off electricity,

Speaker 92 this is no good.

Speaker 174 Trump is declaring war to let's build a fence around Amcan. Amcan.

Speaker 63 I never heard of that one.

Speaker 13 Amcan. He's folding here.

Speaker 167 You suggested that Canada would bring down its tariffs if the United States did the same. Does this turn into a game of chicken? Do you believe that the White House would respond accordingly?

Speaker 168 Well, I hope so.

Speaker 168 You know,

Speaker 168 we're neighbors for the last 200 years, and when we show good faith or the U.S. shows good faith, you have to follow.

Speaker 168 This is a partnership that's going to go on for hopefully several hundred more years and decades to come.

Speaker 168 And we have bigger concerns.

Speaker 175 Oh, wait, just wait for it.

Speaker 168 Both Canada and the U.S. than each other.
We have to keep an eye on other countries like China.

Speaker 167 Who makes the first move in a game like that?

Speaker 168 Well, we'll work collaboratively with the administration and with our prime minister, and he'll be speaking to President Trump, I'm sure, over the next day or so.

Speaker 168 And we'll be working with Secretary Lutnick and to get a clear picture of what this means for Canada.

Speaker 162 Now, the main thing here, which is really the biggest industry that we've been talking about and most of this deals with, you played Hyundai there a minute ago, is the auto industry.

Speaker 169 What about what it means for the auto sector in particular? Because of course.

Speaker 90 I mean, auto sector.

Speaker 169 Of course, we learned last week that the president would announce what he made final today, which is that 25% tariffs on auto imports will be going into place.

Speaker 169 Obviously, parts are going to be included in that eventually, sir. So, what impact do you expect that alone will have, even if tariffs on, or reciprocal tariffs were not applied to Canada today?

Speaker 168 Well, I just hope there's no tariffs on auto because parts go back and forth across the border seven, eight times before they get assembled, either in Ontario or one of the states, be it Michigan or other U.S.

Speaker 168 states. It's a system that works and has worked since 1965.
I've always said you can't unscramble an egg that's been around since 1965. You have to make the omelette larger.

Speaker 168 And we're just so much stronger together.

Speaker 168 We buy as many vehicles as we sell down there.

Speaker 168 And the ones that we ship to the U.S., 50% of that automobile is U.S. parts.
So I think the system is working. It's working well for both countries.
And

Speaker 168 it's a great system. Especially

Speaker 168 Canada is buying 400% more vehicles off the U.S. than Mexico does, 200% more than any other country in the world.

Speaker 168 We have an incredible relationship with the two great countries that are so integrated on many different sectors, but even the people are integrated.

Speaker 168 You know, millions and millions of Canadians and Americans travel back and forth across the border. They have family members on both sides of the border.

Speaker 168 And we just appreciate, and Canadians love Americans.

Speaker 46 I love Americans. I love the U.S.

Speaker 168 I spent 20 years of my life there. And we have a tremendous tremendous amount of respect and friendships with our American counterparts.

Speaker 94 So I heard all that, and then this is the last short clip.

Speaker 20 Definitely, definitely, definitely.

Speaker 176 Someone showed a picture and said, hey, Ford,

Speaker 1 what's that in your mouth?

Speaker 167 Well, so how, I guess, in the end, do you feel, Mr. Ford, about what we heard today from the White House? You could frame this as could have been worse.

Speaker 167 You could also feel betrayed by some of the comments that President Trump delivered. How would you describe it?

Speaker 168 Well, I never, I mean, yeah, I never take anything personal,

Speaker 168 be it from President Trump or

Speaker 168 anyone else.

Speaker 168 I understand he's a business man, and that's the way he conducts his business. And fair enough, he has a job to do.
We have a job to do.

Speaker 168 And I think any negotiation, we meet in the middle and make sure that we grow two great countries and make them the strongest in the world that no one can touch us.

Speaker 168 We'll ship down all the critical minerals. We'll ship down all the

Speaker 3 oil that you need and

Speaker 168 electricity, anything that you need.

Speaker 168 We have more natural resources than anyone in the entire world.

Speaker 168 And again, there's no one I'd want to ship it down to more than our great friends and allies.

Speaker 22 Wow.

Speaker 46 That was amazing.

Speaker 60 That was amazing.

Speaker 75 So, okay, so that worked.

Speaker 13 Let's listen to the rest of the world.

Speaker 178 Europe woke up to chaos this morning as Trump announced sweeping tariffs on his largest trading partners.

Speaker 178 For Ursula von der Leyen, it is a major blow to the world economy.

Speaker 179 Uncertainty will spiral and trigger the rise of further protectionism. The costs of doing business with the United States will drastically increase.

Speaker 177 And what is more, there seems to be no order in the disorder.

Speaker 178 Among Trump's announcements, a twenty percent tariff on all goods imported from the European Union.

Speaker 182 I strongly believe that tariffs benefit no one. They're bad for the world economy.
They hurt people. They hurt businesses.

Speaker 178 The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity ripple through global.

Speaker 103 Aggressivity?

Speaker 1 Aggressively, I think is what she tried to say.

Speaker 182 Bad for the world economy.

Speaker 182 They hurt people. They hurt businesses.

Speaker 178 The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity ripple through global economy.

Speaker 75 No, she says aggressivity.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I think she meant aggressive.

Speaker 1 well, she meant aggressivity, I guess.

Speaker 105 Aggressivity.

Speaker 1 Aggressiveness is the word she I think she really meant to say.

Speaker 63 Do they have no line producers there at

Speaker 13 the

Speaker 101 businesses?

Speaker 178 The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity rippled through global economies.

Speaker 178 China's finance ministry spokesperson spoke of his outrage, saying it was not in line with trade rules and called it unilateral bullying.

Speaker 178 Whilst Mexico and Canada might have been exempt from this round of Trump's trade war, the countries are still reeling from the steel and aluminium tariffs imposed in March.

Speaker 178 Another 25% tariffs on cars kicked in on Thursday.

Speaker 183 The series of measures will directly affect millions of Canadians. We are going to fight these tariffs with countermeasures.

Speaker 183 We are going to protect our workers and we are going to build the strongest economy.

Speaker 178 As the world prepares their response, many are bracing for the devastating impact that this trade war will have on consumers worldwide.

Speaker 161 It's a war.

Speaker 24 It's a World War III.

Speaker 142 And a very different noise there from Mark Carney versus Tom Ford.

Speaker 17 I found that to be rather surprising.

Speaker 120 There's

Speaker 18 no unity there.

Speaker 172 But we need to check a few more people, including our buddy.

Speaker 1 How many photos from Epstein Island?

Speaker 26 Yeah, including our buddy from Australia.

Speaker 181 It's a watershed moment for global trade.

Speaker 177 U.S.

Speaker 181 President Donald Trump announced universal 10% tariffs on all imports into the U.S. For some countries, this could be as high as 50%.

Speaker 181 As the world begins to wake up to the news of these staggering tariffs, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said it was totally unwarranted.

Speaker 184 The administration's tariffs have no basis in logic and they go against the basis of our two nations partnership. This is not the act of a friend.

Speaker 184 Today's decision will add to uncertainty in the global economy.

Speaker 63 Come on, man.

Speaker 142 I spent time on that.

Speaker 1 Good work.

Speaker 92 I'm glad you pre-announced it.

Speaker 184 Our two nations partnership. This is not the act of a friend.

Speaker 184 Today's decision will add to uncertainty in the global economy.

Speaker 181 On the other side of the Atlantic, the EU is one of the US's closest allies and partners. The bloc was hit with a 20% tariff on all imports.

Speaker 181 Italian Prime Minister Giorgio Maloney was the first EU leader to respond to the news.

Speaker 180 In a statement on Facebook, she said, The introduction of tariffs towards the European Union by the USA is a measure that I consider wrong and that does not suit any party.

Speaker 180 We will do everything we can to work a deal with the United States, aiming to prevent a trade war that would inevitably weaken the West in favor of other global actors.

Speaker 181 For many economists and political pundits, these sweeping tariffs will have a negative impact. The stock market was already rattled after Trump's announcement.

Speaker 181 Others say they threaten to push much of the world into an economic recession.

Speaker 185 If the EU and other countries retaliate, the loss to the global economy will be $1.4 trillion. That is trillion with a T.

Speaker 111 This, by the way, is some professor who looks like Jeff Jarvis.

Speaker 185 This is one of the most, in addition to being economically illiterate speeches, it is accompanied by one of the most economically damaging actions that have been taken since the last round of high tariffs, which was in the 1930s, which helped lead to the Great Depression.

Speaker 181 But Trump called it Liberation Day,

Speaker 181 promising these measures will pay off for the U.S.

Speaker 119 You know,

Speaker 1 I have to play this guy. This is another economist.
This guy was in the

Speaker 1 mainly because they keep bringing up Smoot Hawley, and I think Horowitz brought it up to me too, but I just want to ask you.

Speaker 75 Who? Smooth Hawley? Who?

Speaker 1 Smooth Hawley was the extra tariffs they added right after the stock market collapsed.

Speaker 84 In 2020?

Speaker 1 In 1929.

Speaker 13 Oh, okay. Yes.

Speaker 9 Okay. That's it.

Speaker 1 And so they were tariffing at the time. And then the stock market collapsed.

Speaker 1 And around 1930, 31 period, they introduced the Smoot Hawley, which added more tariffs on top of the tariffs you already had.

Speaker 1 And it collapsed the economy. They think it may have contributed to the continued collapse of the economy in the 30s.
Well,

Speaker 92 the way I keep hearing it is, when we put tariffs on in 1929, it caused the Great Depression.

Speaker 41 That's what I keep hearing.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 and this clip clarifies that. No,

Speaker 1 the Smooth Hawley came in after the crash.

Speaker 58 Okay.

Speaker 1 But they still can say, because it was before 1933, which was the bottom of the crash, they can still say it caused the, you know, caused this or that.

Speaker 1 But the funny thing was, the one little element that I didn't realize until I heard this guy talk: this is a guy named Joe

Speaker 1 Lavania. He's under the Joe the clip we're talking about.

Speaker 1 This guy was a council

Speaker 1 economic advisors guy, really smart guy, typical of the other side of the argument guy that nobody else seems to be wanting to put on, except Charles Payne did on his show on Fox Business.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 the thing that he noted, and it was kind of stepped on by Payne in this because Payne likes to chat, but

Speaker 1 is that Smoot Hawley, when it was additional tariffs, caused deflation, not inflation.

Speaker 18 How interesting.

Speaker 1 And during the Great Depression, it was a deflationary period. It didn't cause inflation.
It caused just the opposite. So the argument about this causing inflation is nonsense.

Speaker 1 And this guy makes the point of the reason why. And I will just summarize in advance.
People are always all, they're all big shots about, you know, Mises, and they're all, well, you know, there's

Speaker 1 all these theories about supply-side economics and Milton Friedman and all the rest of it. And Friedman himself has talked about this to an extreme.

Speaker 1 Inflation's always caused by the money supply, period. Thank you.

Speaker 128 How much of this do you think will be absorbed in margins of corporations, absorbed on a retail and wholesale level, as opposed to just directly passed on to the consumer?

Speaker 188 A lot will be absorbed in the margin, which is probably for some companies bad for their stock.

Speaker 188 Back in, it's a smaller subset, of course, back in 1819, but most of it was absorbed in the margin. None of it was paid by the U.S.
buyer, although that could change in the next go-around.

Speaker 188 But, you know, Charles, I'm looking at this chart.

Speaker 188 I'd add another row because I see CPI increases and this concept that these tariffs are inflationary. That's a misnomer.

Speaker 188 Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon or a monetary and credit phenomenon. It's a price level adjustment.

Speaker 188 Ultimately, that'll be offset elsewhere if the Fed doesn't increase the money supply. And this notion somehow that we're going to have high inflation because of tariffs just is not accurate.

Speaker 128 I mean, and to your point, I mean, even with Smoot Hawley, the 1930s, we had the greatest deflationary period in history. Not inflationary, deflationary in history.

Speaker 188 I was arguing with someone on another show recently

Speaker 188 about that. And if you look back in the 20s, the U.S.
was like China is today. We were a massive exporter of goods, and we had big trade surpluses.

Speaker 188 So when the Fed let a lot of banks fail and the money supply collapsed back in the late 20s,

Speaker 68 we were a big exporter of goods.

Speaker 188 So when Smoot Hawley went in, we actually hurt ourselves.

Speaker 58 It's the exact opposite.

Speaker 76 Yeah, the exact opposite. Well, I mean, what you're seeing is the refi mission is on track.

Speaker 165 The 10-year is almost at 4%.

Speaker 103 The dollar has weakened, which is what you want for exports.

Speaker 73 And I see here on CNBC, President Trump says tariff rollout going very well.

Speaker 21 It's going very well.

Speaker 23 Markets will boom.

Speaker 1 There was another little tidbit in there that I thought was interesting, which I think accounts for the market, the stock market collapsing.

Speaker 133 Well, because the money is leaving America.

Speaker 13 This is why people like Horwitz are pissed.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. The reason it was collapsing, if you listen to

Speaker 1 that clip, he said that most of the

Speaker 1 with tariffs, most of it is taken up by

Speaker 1 most of it's made up for by the companies themselves and their shrinking margins. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Which hurts their stock.
So in other words,

Speaker 1 so you're, you're making, like Apple, for example, has this tremendous margins.

Speaker 1 And so they could actually keep the prices the same, but they'd have to cut their margin to an extreme, which would hurt the stock price.

Speaker 33 Your PDE ratio goes down.

Speaker 1 So the market right now is not collapsing because money's leaving the country, but it's because they're adjusting for the future.

Speaker 1 Because the market's always saying, well, this is not going to be good for the, so we have to, you know, our

Speaker 1 stocks aren't going to be worth that much more because we're going to be won't make as much, the profit's not going to be what it was.

Speaker 133 So, so what the naysayers would say is, and I'm obviously not the expert here, you are much more versed in this.

Speaker 25 The naysayers will say, well, they're all just going to jack the prices up.

Speaker 1 Which that's what they keep saying.

Speaker 41 But it doesn't seem likely. It's like

Speaker 74 certainly companies like Apple can take a little bit of a hit.

Speaker 1 They can take a huge hit, and the prices don't need to get jacked up. And people will stop buying.
And if you don't buy,

Speaker 1 you know, you're not going to sell anything, obviously. Well, it's too high.
I'm not going to pay for that.

Speaker 34 I'll wait.

Speaker 1 I mean, just because something's on the market and it doesn't mean you have to buy it if it goes up in price. Right.

Speaker 64 Right.

Speaker 71 So

Speaker 164 I have a couple clips here from Scott Besant,

Speaker 27 again from Bloomberg.

Speaker 39 And everybody was doing the rounds. Everybody was doing the rounds.

Speaker 38 So I'll skip the intro and go straight to the negotiations question.

Speaker 148 We're going to have the baseline tariffs come into effect, purse, first, then their reciprocal tariffs, a little bit more of a different rate for each individual trading partner.

Speaker 148 Are you preparing to negotiate with some of these trading partners before that tariff rate comes into effect on April 9th?

Speaker 148 Well, I think there have been a lot of discussions, but I think we're just going to have to wait and see what would happen.

Speaker 148 What I would say, Anne-Marie, is I would advise none of the countries to panic.

Speaker 148 I wouldn't try to retaliate because, as long as you don't retaliate, this is the high end of the number. And I think the market could have certainty that this is the number barring retaliation.

Speaker 148 So we've got a ceiling

Speaker 148 and then we can see if there's a different floor.

Speaker 90 I also think doing this half the rate is really genius because it's much easier to ratchet it up to parody.

Speaker 114 You know, and Trump made this whole this thing about, we're nice people.

Speaker 13 We're nice people.

Speaker 31 So we're not going to hit you that hard.

Speaker 27 We're only going to hit you with half.

Speaker 74 I mean, this is, as Besson will tell you here, this is the art of the deal.

Speaker 148 So you sound like you're ready for a negotiation with a number of these partners. Has the European Union, has China, has India, have these countries reached out?

Speaker 148 Well, they've all reached out, but it's going to be up to President Trump to see what he wants to do.

Speaker 148 I think the mindset might be to let things settle for a while.

Speaker 148 Their tariffs or non-tariff barriers have been on a long time, so we'll see where it goes from here. When it comes to China, they have a much higher rate on this list.

Speaker 148 On top of that, there's still that 20% fentanyl tariff rate. Is all of this coming together to be more than a 50% tariff rate for Beijing?

Speaker 148 Well, yes, I think it is, and I think it's a combination of things. And again,

Speaker 148 that I think China said today that solving the fentanyl crisis depends on taking off the fentanyls. And I'm pretty sure that's not the way the sequencing is going to work.

Speaker 148 They're exporting the precursor chemicals. And

Speaker 148 every day, every week, every month, Americans are dying. And it's going to have to stop.

Speaker 110 So then he throws in, because of course the market is something Bloomberg wants to talk about.

Speaker 81 He throws in a nice little term here that made me smile.

Speaker 148 Okay. But since the peaks in February, stocks are down 8%.
I think the NASDAQ from its high most recently is down 12%.

Speaker 148 So far, though, these kind of

Speaker 148 market downdraft so far this year is not concerning you.

Speaker 148 Well, look, in my old business, I was very concerned about market movements, and I'm trying to be Secretary of Treasury, not a market commentator. What I would point out is that especially the

Speaker 148 NASDAQ peaked on DeepSeek Day.

Speaker 148 So that's a Mag 7 problem, not a MAGA problem.

Speaker 4 No!

Speaker 10 Peaked on DeepSeek. MAG 7 problem, not a MA problem.

Speaker 79 Oh, yes.

Speaker 32 Bye-bye, AI.

Speaker 15 Now, the other side of this is critical for it all to work.

Speaker 33 And the President made that clear in his Rose Guard and hold up the sign speech.

Speaker 133 The tax cuts are necessary to keep real wages up.

Speaker 27 And that's the big one here.

Speaker 148 Okay, so let's talk about what else you've been spending a lot of your time doing. You have been up on Capitol Hill constantly.

Speaker 148 You are really working on trying to make sure that this administration can extend the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. On top of that, more tax cuts.
Right now, how are the conversations going in Congress?

Speaker 148 Well, I actually think the most underreported story in washington not by bloomberg of course is the incredible unanimity

Speaker 148 unity amongst

Speaker 42 he's having problems talking today he's got bird feathers in his yeah but he he

Speaker 1 what's he giving the business to bloomberg for

Speaker 17 says everyone's talking about this not bloomberg yeah well i think he's just being show busy uh you know it's what you do it's like oh you know joe only people on your show talk the truth

Speaker 148 unanimity

Speaker 148 unity amongst Republicans, and I think it's President Trump's leadership. But Mike Johnson, with a very narrow margin, issued the

Speaker 148 reconciliation

Speaker 148 instructions. And then he also passed a clean, continuing resolution.
On the Senate side,

Speaker 148 they are very attentive. And I think they may have something done by this Saturday.

Speaker 89 Whoa.

Speaker 31 Do you imagine that?

Speaker 75 By this Saturday.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 16 Well, that's what he said. That's what he said.

Speaker 134 Final clip here is

Speaker 33 about the consumers.

Speaker 148 While all this is happening, consumer sentiment has definitely taken a bit of a dive. Expectations for inflation have gone up.

Speaker 148 Banks like Goldman are cutting their GDP forecast, saying potentially the Fed is going to have to cut rates, not the good kind of cuts, the kind of cuts because they're nervous about growth.

Speaker 148 How concerned are you that the timing of all this is going to be incredibly challenging?

Speaker 110 I was waiting for you.

Speaker 19 Where were you?

Speaker 1 She said, not the good kind of cuts. No.

Speaker 34 What is she talking about?

Speaker 63 She's trying to slip in, I think,

Speaker 27 tax cuts for the rich, which is the narrative that has just been

Speaker 113 drummed into everybody's head.

Speaker 10 But no, it's not tax.

Speaker 103 In fact, the rich are disadvantaged by this whole deal.

Speaker 53 If you've got a lot of stocks and bonds, it's at a disadvantage to the rich.

Speaker 1 Not only that, but if you remember the first go-around back in Trump's first term, we had our

Speaker 1 gay accountant guy

Speaker 1 who is our

Speaker 1 handles the big money's anonymous.

Speaker 63 We're way beneath his

Speaker 32 way beneath, yes.

Speaker 1 But he deigns to give us information every so often, was telling us how that

Speaker 1 all his rich clients, which he's loaded with them, were bitching and moaning about where's my tax cut for the rich? Because

Speaker 1 it did not exist. In fact, they were getting screwed because they weren't letting them take off enough interest

Speaker 1 from their taxes. They've changed that rule, and that was didn't, that went kind of undiscussed by the mainstream media.
So this is bull crap.

Speaker 1 And the fact that they keep harping, the Democrats keep harping on this tax cuts for the rich nonsense, it's an embarrassment.

Speaker 27 It really is because it's just, I mean, it still works within the media circles because you hear her kind of falling for it.

Speaker 25 But the tax cuts will be no tax on Social Security.

Speaker 38 So Social Security checks will, it should in actuality go up.

Speaker 1 No tax on chips. No, the Social Security checks will not go up.

Speaker 84 But they're taxed, aren't they?

Speaker 1 No, they're not taxed. You have to put them on.

Speaker 1 You get your Social Security, and then at the end of the year, you get a 1099. You better put it on your taxes.

Speaker 13 I'm sorry. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 85 So the checks won't go up, but effectively the money goes up.

Speaker 73 No taxes on tips.

Speaker 79 Interest deduction on your car loan, if it's an American-made car,

Speaker 39 and salt becomes deductible again or unlimited.

Speaker 59 Dude,

Speaker 27 that would make a difference.

Speaker 145 And that would make a difference to billionaires, too, obviously.

Speaker 143 Anyway, let's finish this off.

Speaker 148 The cut rates, not the good kind of cuts, the kind of cuts

Speaker 148 Well, it tells me a couple of things. One, we got to get the tax bill done quickly,

Speaker 148 because that's a confidence builder. And two, we're seeing sentiment surveys from the American people, but we haven't actually seen them take action.

Speaker 148 If the households actually thought that there were going to be inflation, if their real inflation expectations had increased, what would they be doing?

Speaker 148 They'd be hoarding goods and they would be demanding wage increases. And neither one of those has happened yet.
So, at the moment, you're not concerned about some of the soft data we're seeing?

Speaker 148 No, I see nothing.

Speaker 148 And one of the great things, many great things about being at Treasury is we have lots of business people come through, and everything we're seeing in the economy is still very solid.

Speaker 148 And executives haven't voiced any of these concerns onto you.

Speaker 148 No, there's some idiosyncratic things, but in terms of the expectations actually turning into hard data, none of them have seen it yet.

Speaker 124 So nobody really knows anything.

Speaker 42 Everyone's just saying, oh, if all these things come together, it'll work.

Speaker 103 I have a sneaky suspicion it's really going to work.

Speaker 42 And it may start working sooner than people think.

Speaker 18 But I don't think anybody really knows.

Speaker 92 It's certainly unprecedented.

Speaker 14 He certainly is shaking things up.

Speaker 71 Well,

Speaker 1 it seems overdue.

Speaker 77 Yes.

Speaker 1 Because we actually don't make anything except jets and bombs.

Speaker 133 Well, and what I love is guys like our buddy there in North Carolina

Speaker 151 after the storm.

Speaker 27 You know, he started Pearl Boot Company.

Speaker 197 Nice looking boots.

Speaker 53 Good price.

Speaker 27 American-made, American leather.

Speaker 133 You know, I think he's trying to resurrect the shoe company.

Speaker 131 You know, Vietnam.

Speaker 25 Say goodbye to your cheap Timu crap.

Speaker 110 That's over.

Speaker 51 And that's okay.

Speaker 90 I'm okay if we can't buy cheap crap anymore.

Speaker 130 It's crap.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of high-quality products coming out of Asia. That's the real problem.
You can call it crap.

Speaker 76 Like what? Like, what do you buy in China?

Speaker 1 The Nikon cameras are made in China. This is one of the finest cameras you can buy.

Speaker 27 Do you really need it?

Speaker 34 Well, I already have one.

Speaker 23 Exactly. So,

Speaker 13 next.

Speaker 1 But it's not cheap crap.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of cheap, I agree. There's a lot of cheap crap that comes out.
It looks like, oh, this should be fine. And then, you know, a couple of years later, it breaks.

Speaker 90 How about unnecessary crap?

Speaker 23 We don't need all the crap, whether it's cheap or not.

Speaker 1 No, the reason we have all this crap is because it's cheap.

Speaker 75 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 The Chinese have done that.

Speaker 1 They have this part of their philosophy, and which has always been kind of interesting to me, is that they just go into a market and make a product cheap to the point where nobody can compete because they got subsidies and they got all kinds of, they get cheating ways.

Speaker 1 They steal intellectual property, which is Trump complained about, and they make a cheap product and then

Speaker 1 they take over the market completely. Nobody wants to even bother competing with them.

Speaker 1 And they never go into monopoly. They never go into the monopolistic mentality.
They just keep it cheap.

Speaker 1 It's like total alien to all Western civilization. That's not what you do.
What you're supposed to do is you wipe out a market, take it. Now you own the market, and now you gouge the customer.

Speaker 1 That's what we do. That's the

Speaker 7 Merca, phone visitor number one.

Speaker 1 Western philosophies. British is actually where it really comes from.

Speaker 1 And that's what you do because that's why you go through the trouble of taking the market over. You go through a lot of effort to get the market to yourself.

Speaker 1 And then once you get it to yourself, you gouge. The Chinese never go to the gouging phase.

Speaker 142 I'll tell you, you know, I'm not in the market for a car.

Speaker 32 I think I probably bought my last car.

Speaker 17 You know, it can last another 20 years easy.

Speaker 35 Then I'll just need a golf cart or

Speaker 13 one of those Walmart things.

Speaker 13 But if I were in the market for a new car, I'd be looking at an American car.

Speaker 92 Why not?

Speaker 124 And this is in the past, presence of

Speaker 97 Bush, one and two, and Clinton, I was like, buy America, we're going to buy America, the Buy America Act, and Obama, buy America.

Speaker 1 And then there's Ryan with his good union jobs. He didn't do anything for the unions.
They're all on Trump's side now.

Speaker 16 Of course they are.

Speaker 23 But, you know, so what Trump did is he actually did it instead of just making a marketing campaign.

Speaker 97 Oh, we're going to buy America. Oh, we're going to buy it.

Speaker 27 Put a flag on it.

Speaker 170 It'll sell.

Speaker 113 No, I'm looking forward to our ingenuity.

Speaker 27 I'm looking forward to a lot of young people with high school diplomas skipping the indoctrination factory

Speaker 134 and going into robotics, stuff like this.

Speaker 1 Welding.

Speaker 110 Well, oh man, welding.

Speaker 27 Welding. You can make 90 bucks an hour welding.

Speaker 196 It's unbelievable.

Speaker 28 You know, and okay,

Speaker 23 so I don't know.

Speaker 13 I feel good about it.

Speaker 170 I do.

Speaker 27 And of course, we will never, ever impose a tax on our friends for no agenda show donations, no tariffs.

Speaker 13 It's reciprocal.

Speaker 15 We give you value.

Speaker 40 You accept that without a tariff.

Speaker 27 We receive value from you. No tariff.

Speaker 55 Because we're good people.

Speaker 199 We're nice people.

Speaker 13 Now.

Speaker 76 The EU immediately tries to, oh, we'll get him with this one.

Speaker 97 Check it out.

Speaker 200 The European Union is sticking to its plans to enforce new laws on social media platforms like X, TikTok, and Facebook, despite pressure from the U.S.

Speaker 200 In an interview with Euronews, European Commission Executive Vice President Hannah Varkunin, who oversees security and technology, explains that these laws are vital to protecting democracy from disinformation and market abuses.

Speaker 201 Our rules are very fair because they are the same rules for everybody who is operating and doing business in the European Union.

Speaker 201 So we have same rules for the European companies, for American companies, for the Chinese companies.

Speaker 200 The Digital Services Act, which addresses disinformation, and the Digital Markets Act, aimed at ensuring a fair digital economy, have come under significant scrutiny from Donald Trump's prominent adviser, Elon Musk.

Speaker 104 The EU will not

Speaker 104 resile from implementing the DSA and DMA where and when needed, despite the confrontation with the United States.

Speaker 201 It's super important for us that we are fully enforcing DMA and DSA because when it comes to DMA there we want to make sure that the big players, that they are not the dominant players, they are not misusing their market power, that also new innovations can enter to the markets in the European Union.

Speaker 201 And DSA is very much for making sure that illegal content and products are taken down and we have a safe and democratic, fair environment.

Speaker 42 Now,

Speaker 14 it's not up to me, of course, but wouldn't it be just fabulous if

Speaker 32 X and Facebook or X and Meta and even Google just said, you know what?

Speaker 42 No more services for you.

Speaker 124 Go make your own social network.

Speaker 69 Go do your own search.

Speaker 29 That would be so.

Speaker 113 Can you imagine what a disarray they would be in if that happened?

Speaker 1 Well, you think they, you know, if they had the capabilities to do anything, they'd have done it by now.

Speaker 1 The Europeans?

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 41 No, they're kind of pre-announcing they're going to do it.

Speaker 60 They're going to do, if they're going to start finding

Speaker 172 all they can do is fines.

Speaker 165 Fines, fines, fines.

Speaker 39 Oh, you, you overstepped the bounds.

Speaker 95 I'm just saying it would be fun to cut them off.

Speaker 199 Just cut them off.

Speaker 1 Like Don. Yeah, we're not that way.
Yeah.

Speaker 24 President Curry would.

Speaker 81 Shut him off.

Speaker 131 And

Speaker 32 turns out we are pretty right about the true value of TikTok

Speaker 79 because it's really just a shop with a social network around it.

Speaker 13 Because who's the new bidder?

Speaker 202 Amazon has submitted a bid to buy TikTok. Media reports say the offer to buy the social media app was made to the White House.

Speaker 202 It comes just days before Saturday's deadline for TikTok's owner, ByteDance, to divest itself of the app's U.S. operations.

Speaker 202 CNBC reports that mobile technology company App Love has also made a bid for TikTok.

Speaker 202 If there's no deal to buy TikTok before the April 5th deadline, the app again faces a potential shutdown of its U.S. operations.

Speaker 85 Which would severely hurt the show,

Speaker 46 obviously.

Speaker 71 Well,

Speaker 23 it would hurt the show.

Speaker 1 I don't think that you actually believe that.

Speaker 49 Believe what?

Speaker 1 That it would hurt the show. I would.

Speaker 114 Well,

Speaker 122 I have a clip today that begs to differ.

Speaker 16 Oh, you have a TikTok clip?

Speaker 51 I do.

Speaker 112 I do.

Speaker 1 Well, I have, first of all, I have the tick that what you just played, I have a kind of another summary.

Speaker 1 Just so we can do the TikTok,

Speaker 1 the TikTok story conundrum.

Speaker 1 story, story conundrum.

Speaker 73 You should work for Euronews.

Speaker 146 Top officials in the Trump administration are set to meet today to discuss a TikTok deal.

Speaker 146 As NPR's Bobby Allen explains, Trump is set Saturday as a sell-by date for the video app under a federal ban law.

Speaker 198 It's not noticeable by using the app, but TikTok is technically operating in violation of a law Congress passed requiring the service to sever ties with China.

Speaker 198 The Trump administration has promised not to enforce the law, while President Trump holds something of a public auction for the hit app. Now, President Trump is set to meet with Vice President J.D.

Speaker 198 Vance and other advisors to weigh TikTok's options. Software company Oracle, owned by Trump supporter and billionaire Larry Ellison, appears to be leading the pack of bidders.

Speaker 198 The New York Times reported Amazon has sent in a last-minute TikTok offer.

Speaker 198 Yet, one key hurdle remains: winning the approval of Chinese regulators who may use TikTok as leverage in tariff negotiations.

Speaker 41 Amazon is the only logical choice, but Amazon will ruin it.

Speaker 25 Of course, they will.

Speaker 97 Will ruin it.

Speaker 9 But I think Oracle would too.

Speaker 10 Yeah, well, yeah, because with Oracle, they have no business model because Oracle doesn't have a shop to plug into it.

Speaker 164 And the bizarre thing is, is when Pod Show pivoted, we'll make a pivot, everybody, to Meevio and video,

Speaker 27 that we pitched so hard to tell Amazon you want to have shows built around your shopping.

Speaker 32 I'll give Bloom that.

Speaker 1 Still a good idea.

Speaker 55 It's a a great idea.

Speaker 124 But if Amazon buys TikTok, will we ever get a clip like this?

Speaker 204 You actually don't see homosexual behavior like out in nature. Like you don't see other mammals behaving homosexually.
Only humans, because they came up with it in their brains. Really?

Speaker 205 You've never met a gay dog? You think every dog you've ever met is straight? You've never met a dog that even gave you a vibe.

Speaker 93 Baby, dogs are almost as gay as dolphins.

Speaker 204 You need to get it together, my guy.

Speaker 12 You need to get it.

Speaker 136 I like that.

Speaker 32 You need need to get it together, my guy.

Speaker 203 Dogs are gay.

Speaker 13 As gay as dolphins.

Speaker 72 As gay as dolphins.

Speaker 206 Have you ever seen it?

Speaker 40 Do you think you've ever had a gay dog?

Speaker 13 It's a serious question.

Speaker 74 I mean, it's possible.

Speaker 22 I don't know.

Speaker 49 I've had several dogs in my life.

Speaker 79 I cannot remember one that I got a vibe from.

Speaker 1 Vibe, yeah, you know, gay vibe. Gay vibe.

Speaker 1 You're funny.

Speaker 19 Gay vibe.

Speaker 1 From my dog. How come you're not picking up that quarter that's there?

Speaker 1 Well, I have some since you got the TikTok going.

Speaker 3 TikTok, TikTok.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 13 Don't do all that. I have four clips.

Speaker 206 Save some for the end. Do two and save two for the end.

Speaker 159 Do two now.

Speaker 78 It's called programming. Oh, okay.

Speaker 19 I can do that.

Speaker 18 Yeah. Well, don't.

Speaker 25 Let's start with

Speaker 207 the old one, which has been sitting around which is the arrogant fourth of july girl okay if you voted for this do not celebrate the fourth of july do not celebrate the fourth of july i know the left has complicated feelings about the fourth of july and it's like to be so patriotic and celebrate a country that was built on the backs of colonialism and g-side and bigotry um

Speaker 207 but i dare i say this fourth of july i say we reclaim

Speaker 207 patriotism in the name of improving our country and making it great for the first time hopefully if we're ever able to um without completely dismantling the country and building a new one which i really hope is the way to do it um

Speaker 207 but if you voted for it if you voted for this you do not love this country you do not love the people in it you do not deserve to rep with like to proudly celebrate the country because you're destroying it it's also if you're apathetic and haven't said anything about anything that's going on also you shouldn't celebrate the fourth of july none of you guys should celebrate the 4th of July.

Speaker 207 You should feel embarrassed. You should know that we're all looking at you a little funny.
Like,

Speaker 207 I know you guys don't know how to read, but read the room.

Speaker 44 Oh,

Speaker 44 boy.

Speaker 92 I'll miss them.

Speaker 63 I'll miss them.

Speaker 142 When Amazon buys it, this is all going away.

Speaker 112 It's all going away.

Speaker 125 Well,

Speaker 27 maybe. Get him in now.

Speaker 1 Here, let's go to the red-headed liberal.

Speaker 208 This should come as absolutely no surprise, but Donald Trump has the lowest approval rating of all time with one exception. Do you know what that exception is?

Speaker 208 Do you know who else had the lowest approval rating that he is coming in second to? Donald Trump. It's him, his first term.

Speaker 209 I knew it.

Speaker 93 He was at the lowest approval rating at this point.

Speaker 208 So he's number one.

Speaker 111 in that regard.

Speaker 208 And he's bringing the rest of the country down. Even people who voted for him, who are not die-hard MAGAs, can acknowledge that he is not doing right by them.

Speaker 208 There are so many people in the federal government who are fed up from what they've seen in less than two months so far.

Speaker 208 We are not even two months into his current presidency, and he is screwing things up every single day.

Speaker 208 And then there's Elon Musk.

Speaker 27 Well, this brings me to the Slate Money podcast.

Speaker 91 This is a,

Speaker 27 you know, financial podcast.

Speaker 33 We talk about things that are.

Speaker 1 On Slate?

Speaker 113 Who owns Slate?

Speaker 133 Is Slate its own thing?

Speaker 1 Washington Post.

Speaker 141 Wapo, Wapo, Wapo.

Speaker 1 So they have a podcast. Slate's always been a left-wing operation.
So I'm going to listen to what amounts to modern neocommunists

Speaker 155 about

Speaker 1 money and investment. I don't think so.

Speaker 103 I would say trans Maoists more because the question here is: all of these unhappy liberals, let's call them delusional Dems for purpose of example,

Speaker 90 where are they going to move to when they leave our sinking ship, this horrible atrocity, this fascistic state, this

Speaker 79 trash heap that Donald Trump has turned just into

Speaker 24 a rat-infested piece of crap?

Speaker 60 Where are they going to move to and why?

Speaker 211 So, wait, I just want to follow up because now I'm looking at the New York Times article, and it's characteristics of places Democrats were more likely to move to.

Speaker 211 31% of Democrats were more likely to move to a place within five miles of a Trader Joe's, only 10% of Republicans.

Speaker 114 It gets much better.

Speaker 211 Republicans had no list of a store on their characteristics. Theirs were property tax below 0.5%

Speaker 211 within five miles of a forest.

Speaker 44 Whoa!

Speaker 212 As per shop,

Speaker 212 rural or small town they're twice as likely to move to a rural or small town than democrats well another way to look at it is the way the administration is treating marginalized communities is a big factor too if you have a kid i think this may be a marginalized community speaking who's trans or you're an immigrant

Speaker 213 you may not feel safe in a neighborhood that's super red so that was definitely like one of the guys i talked to who does foreign residency and foreign passports he was like i had nine families with trans kids.

Speaker 213 Contacted him within a week after Trump signed one of his anti-trans executive orders.

Speaker 84 Interesting.

Speaker 133 A pro-woman bill is, according to Slate, an anti-trans executive order.

Speaker 85 That's a good way of putting it.

Speaker 213 They were just like, we have a kid who

Speaker 213 has, who's undergoing medical care for which they need medical care, John.

Speaker 63 Medical care.

Speaker 212 You mean puberty blockers and stuff like that medical care drugs and they need to take the drugs continuously and we're very worried that those drugs are not going to be available to us in the United States we want to make sure that we're living somewhere where those drugs are available well relatedly I talked to a guy last night who has HIV and has been treated for it for the last 15 years and he said I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get the drugs that I need this time next year and he said if I don't have them I have two years to live so it's really existential for a lot of people why would it be difficult to get hiv drugs because the trump administration is cutting funding and programming and then not just available on health insurance but it's too expensive no i mean they're they're cutting treatment you know that a lot of the clinics that provide hiv drugs and particularly at low cost to people are having their funding cut off by the administration and it seems to be you know a political issue complete bull crap

Speaker 41 There's no clinics getting their funding cut off.

Speaker 1 They just make this stuff up as they go along because they think that's probably what they would be doing if they were on the uh well that oh that's a interesting projection of some sort.

Speaker 138 That's an interesting thought. That's an interesting thought.

Speaker 33 Yeah, speaking of drugs, I got some interesting notes from producers.

Speaker 13 And one of our producers, he says, you know, I was driving along and I'm listening to the report about the Pope.

Speaker 196 And,

Speaker 33 you know, that he almost died, and they had to decide whether to just let him die.

Speaker 145 And he says that this was a flub, that the news model said that they were going to, they were considering taking him off as adrenochrome, but then she corrected herself.

Speaker 104 The critical moment came on February 28th when the Pope had a breathing crisis.

Speaker 169 The choice was whether to stop treatment and let him pass, or try more aggressive drugs.

Speaker 13 Adriena. Oh, a drunk.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's an obscure catch, but he might be right.

Speaker 49 I like it.

Speaker 216 Or try more aggressive drugs.

Speaker 16 Aggressive drugs.

Speaker 13 Adrenochrome. I'm just saying.

Speaker 28 But the best one.

Speaker 23 Wow.

Speaker 1 That's the funniest catch of the day.

Speaker 13 Catch of the day. Here's another one.

Speaker 20 This is from Salah.

Speaker 53 Salah says, I'm a truck driver.

Speaker 126 Just now listening to Sunday Show.

Speaker 217 In the clip where RFK Jr.

Speaker 42 is talking about downsizing, he talks about merging it into a new unit with the

Speaker 28 acronym AHA.

Speaker 27 Growing up with my father, who is Arabic, I never learned the language, but you definitely pick up assorted words and definitely the swear words.

Speaker 39 Aha, exactly how RFK pronounced it, is slang in my dad's mostly Egyptian dialect for shit or damn.

Speaker 70 Listen to how he says it so we can replicate it.

Speaker 218 Kennedy also plans to consolidate agencies within HHS.

Speaker 214 We're going to eliminate an entire alphabet soup of departments and agencies while preserving their core functions by merging them into a new organization called the Administration for a Healthy America, or AHA.

Speaker 112 The FDA will lose 3,500 in 2020.

Speaker 199 Ah!

Speaker 22 Aha! Aha!

Speaker 9 So it's aha.

Speaker 58 Don't say that.

Speaker 63 Aha.

Speaker 41 Don't say that in Egypt, people.

Speaker 58 Aha.

Speaker 18 Language is a funny thing.

Speaker 13 Aha.

Speaker 189 Baha. Aha.

Speaker 190 I have some more. Do you want?

Speaker 172 Is there anything you want to jump in on here?

Speaker 162 Because I have a couple more series of some kind of interesting stuff.

Speaker 1 I have

Speaker 1 a couple of series. I got the.
Well, I can put this, like Dead B should be a second half of the show.

Speaker 1 Why don't you go ahead? I got plenty of stuff.

Speaker 59 Well, we have a new show.

Speaker 113 And it's called The Mark and Marco Show.

Speaker 92 And if this keeps on going, we need a jingle.

Speaker 143 It's the Mark and Marco Show.

Speaker 22 It's the Mark and Mark Geo.

Speaker 13 Mark and Marco.

Speaker 143 Yes, Mark Grute.

Speaker 77 Mark Gutter has a show with Marco. You know, Marco, your Secretary of State.
Marco.

Speaker 10 Hello, Marco.

Speaker 69 Marco, I want to commend you for your tireless diplomacy over the last couple of months.

Speaker 4 You're great. You've got to travel the whole world.

Speaker 78 You travel the whole world.

Speaker 92 How many points do you have on your freaking flyer, Miles?

Speaker 69 I also want to thank you for what you did before as a senator, supporting NATO.

Speaker 111 And we will have a lot to discuss over the coming two days.

Speaker 69 Of course, Ukraine, as I said before, President Trump, the team, you broke the deadlock. You started a process of negotiations.

Speaker 127 Very good.

Speaker 92 You started it because I know I'm here to get you more money, Marko.

Speaker 150 With our full support to bring the Ukraine war to a lasting,

Speaker 150 to a durable peace.

Speaker 69 And in the meantime, the Europeans are stepping up.

Speaker 13 Stepping up?

Speaker 69 Providing a lot of military support into Ukraine.

Speaker 111 We have seen the latest numbers coming in that overall NATO allies have provided in the first three months over twenty billion dollars in support to Ukraine to make sure they can stay in the fight as long as it continues.

Speaker 63 This is money that we get here in America, this twenty billion, for more bullets.

Speaker 13 We will also discuss the other threats over the next two years.

Speaker 112 Of course, Russia, Russia, which is our long-term threat.

Speaker 77 Long-term threat.

Speaker 92 Peace or no peace? Long-term threat.

Speaker 23 War is always on the horizon.

Speaker 111 But also, the increasing problems we have with China, of course, North Korea, Iran, and all of these four are getting more and more connected.

Speaker 111 And these two theaters getting more and more connected and working intertwined.

Speaker 90 It's great.

Speaker 24 But wait, there's more.

Speaker 92 There will be more to spend.

Speaker 69 We know that the United States is a staunch ally in NATO.

Speaker 111 I had a very good meeting with the President, Vice Vice-President Trump.

Speaker 52 But that commitment comes with an expectation.

Speaker 219 And the expectation is that the European allies and Canada need to spend more.

Speaker 59 More!

Speaker 71 Since Trump 45, the Akercuts can't spend a second. Yeah.

Speaker 1 For Mark and Marco, does this guy, does Rutte, ever stop talking?

Speaker 10 Yeah, he does in a minute.

Speaker 220 So Rubio is just standing there.

Speaker 133 And at certain ways, he's looking down at his shoes.

Speaker 91 He's like,

Speaker 27 there's a little mark on the floor here.

Speaker 42 He's looking around, he's getting really bored, and Rita is just blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 108 But it's but he's he's doing his job, and Marco knows it.

Speaker 111 From Canada and Europe has been 700 billion up to now.

Speaker 69 But when you look at the hundreds of billions of Euros slash dollars now rolling in in a couple of months,

Speaker 69 this is probably the biggest surge in defence spending we have seen in Canada and Europe since the Cold War, since the Berlin Wall came down. So, that is good news, but still, we need to do more.

Speaker 50 Good news, but still, we need to do more.

Speaker 5 And now,

Speaker 10 this is so good.

Speaker 92 And so, Marco comes in.

Speaker 75 He's a clown.

Speaker 60 Yes, well, we knew that.

Speaker 92 We knew he was a clown.

Speaker 176 We've always, the Dutch people know he's a clown, and the Dutch people can't believe it.

Speaker 151 They're like, this guy is top dog now on the international stage.

Speaker 143 So, Mark has done his job.

Speaker 173 And now, Marco must go for the five percent.

Speaker 127 We have to go up to five percent.

Speaker 176 Uh, but Marco is a bit flustered.

Speaker 52 The United States is in NATO.

Speaker 222 We are an active, as we speak right now. The United States is as active in NATO as it has ever been.

Speaker 222 And some of this hysteria and hyperbole that I see in the global media and some domestic media in the United States about NATO is unwarranted. Do you know the President Pump's Made Clear?

Speaker 92 This is his new name, President Pump.

Speaker 97 That's his new name.

Speaker 9 I'd like that again.

Speaker 222 Media in the United States about NATO is unwarranted. Do you know that the President pumps make clear?

Speaker 92 President Pump.

Speaker 1 I think. I said Trump.
No, he did not.

Speaker 77 No,

Speaker 94 I listened to it loud and soft.

Speaker 1 It's like one of the mishearing I do is very similar.

Speaker 170 Okay.

Speaker 92 Trolls, are you hearing pump?

Speaker 56 I'm hearing pump.

Speaker 222 In the United States about NATO is unwarranted. Do you know it's that the president pumps made clear?

Speaker 190 He says pump.

Speaker 172 Trust me, he says pump.

Speaker 91 I could hear the T.

Speaker 145 No, everyone's hearing pump.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, because you primed him.

Speaker 13 Well, does it matter then?

Speaker 222 President Prump's made clear.

Speaker 155 He supports NATO.

Speaker 222 We're going to remain in NATO. He's made clear.

Speaker 63 But we want NATO to be stronger.

Speaker 210 We want NATO to be more viable.

Speaker 222 And the only way NATO can get stronger and more viable is if our partners, the nation states that comprise this important alliance, have more capability.

Speaker 13 More capability.

Speaker 222 Not just of partners and allies, but of advanced economies, of rich countries who have the capability to do more. We understand that's a trade-off.
We have to do it every single year in our country.

Speaker 210 Yeah.

Speaker 222 I assure you that we also have domestic needs.

Speaker 210 We do.

Speaker 222 But we've prioritized defense because of the role we've played in the world, and we want our partners to do the same.

Speaker 222 And I understand there's domestic politics after decades of building up vast social safety nets that maybe don't want to take away from that and invest more in national security.

Speaker 222 But the events of the last few years, a full-scale ground war in the heart of Europe, is

Speaker 78 using full-scale.

Speaker 12 You hear that?

Speaker 158 Full-scale invasion, full-scale ground war.

Speaker 121 He's using the terms.

Speaker 222 Maybe don't want to take away from that and invest more in national security, but the events of the last few years, a full-scale ground war in the heart of Europe, is a reminder that hard power is still necessary as a deterrent.

Speaker 222 And so we do want to leave here with an understanding that we are on a pathway, a realistic pathway, to every single one of the members committing and fulfilling a promise to reach up to 5% of spending.

Speaker 222 That includes the United States will have to increase its percentage.

Speaker 222 Because if the threats truly are as dire as I believe they are, and the members of this alliance believe they are, then that threat has to be confronted by a full and real commitment to have the capability to confront these things.

Speaker 32 And then they wrap it up with

Speaker 143 the true next

Speaker 97 theater,

Speaker 13 which is the Arctic.

Speaker 110 I would not be surprised if the Arctic would be raced today by allies.

Speaker 111 And this is an issue, and the Arctic, of course, is not only Denmark, the King of Denmark, which, of course, has Greenland as part of its kingdom.

Speaker 13 Not for long.

Speaker 69 This is also Iceland, it's Canada, it's the US, it is Norway, Finland, Sweden.

Speaker 170 So we have seven allies

Speaker 69 which are present in the Arctic.

Speaker 111 We know that the Chinese are opening sea lanes. We know that the Russians are rearming there.

Speaker 69 We know, and as I said yesterday, it seems to be a detail, but it is an important detail.

Speaker 111 It's not trivial, and that is the issue of icebreakers. Icebreakers!

Speaker 69 So, more and more, the seven Arctic countries are working together to make sure we keep that part of the world safe.

Speaker 69 And NATO is more and more involved.

Speaker 13 Yeah, Greenland's really important.

Speaker 1 It's on day. We need icebreakers forth.
Global warming is going to melt all those ice.

Speaker 75 Don't ruin, don't break the spell.

Speaker 18 Of course, we don't need that.

Speaker 203 Global warming, take care of it all.

Speaker 130 There's no ice.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to domestic. I got two clips.
Okay.

Speaker 1 This is the FDA being gutted.

Speaker 132 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is the NPR again.

Speaker 113 Is it our buddy?

Speaker 1 No, I don't have any of our buddy's clips today. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 He's on vacation or something.

Speaker 13 Do you have any BBC stuff?

Speaker 1 And again, no, I decided to give it a break.

Speaker 1 So there's no BBC, so you can't play play your jingles.

Speaker 164 I have a whole production.

Speaker 40 Never mind.

Speaker 71 The food and drug administration.

Speaker 1 Well, okay, I guarantee, wait, I guarantee you. Next show,

Speaker 13 BBC is going to be featured.

Speaker 61 And Scott.

Speaker 124 I need BBC and Scott.

Speaker 1 If I can find Scott, I haven't seen him for a while.

Speaker 223 The Food and Drug Administration, the agency that regulates a lot of the things Americans eat and the medicines we take, is now part of a huge reorganization.

Speaker 223 The Trump administration announced Thursday that it will cut 20,000 jobs from the Department of Health and Human Services. 3,500 of those are from the FDA.

Speaker 223 NPR consumer health correspondent Yuki Naguchi joins us now to talk about this.

Speaker 135 Good morning, Yuki.

Speaker 60 Good morning. Yuki.

Speaker 224 Do you have any specifics about these jobs?

Speaker 205 Well, they've given some general indications that they want to trim in HR and IT, for example, but the FDA didn't respond to my inquiries, and so we really don't know the specifics.

Speaker 205 But Peter Marks, who spearheaded the development of the COVID-19 vaccine at the FDA, FDA, said he was pushed out last week.

Speaker 205 And Robert Califf, who's actually a two-time FDA commissioner, most recently under Biden, sounded alarms at a press conference with Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray, noting that these cuts are on top of other big departures.

Speaker 171 A cut of an additional 3,500 people on top of the arbitrary cuts that have already occurred.

Speaker 13 Wait a minute, who's this guy?

Speaker 36 I miss his name.

Speaker 143 He may be someone we need to pay attention to.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 205 Most recently, under Biden, sounded alarms at a press conference with Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray, noting that these cuts are on top of other big departures.

Speaker 171 A cut of an additional 3,500 people on top of the arbitrary cuts that have already occurred, in addition to all the people who are leaving, is likely to leave the FDA unable to do its critical work.

Speaker 13 That is such an old-school Washington, D.C.

Speaker 143 cadence kind of a who is was

Speaker 46 some guy

Speaker 1 that was booted out.

Speaker 110 Just like Buckley.

Speaker 1 It gets better in the second clip.

Speaker 205 And Ada, the critical work he refers to is, you know, safety reviews for things like new drugs, food safety, tobacco, vaccines, and tobacco safety.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 71 New drugs.

Speaker 205 Food safety, tobacco, vaccines, and devices like, you know, heart pacemakers.

Speaker 93 You know, a lot of everyday consumers.

Speaker 32 The way she says this is so like, well, you know, you're going to die because, you know, not the pacemaker, and your drugs won't be safe.

Speaker 27 And then

Speaker 91 NPR is hello.

Speaker 205 Vaccines and devices like heart pacemakers. You know, a lot of everyday consumer items are regulated by the FDA.

Speaker 223 Yuki, what is the White House saying about how these cuts

Speaker 223 and this realignment fits with its priorities?

Speaker 207 Yeah, it's led by Robert F.

Speaker 205 Kennedy Jr., the new health and human services secretary. And he says the country's health agencies are too bloated and ineffective at fighting, in particular, chronic disease.

Speaker 205 He and others dislike the country's past approach to public health generally.

Speaker 205 And Peter Marx wrote a bitter resignation letter suggesting Kennedy's cutting back on vaccine efforts because that work doesn't align with Kennedy's personal beliefs.

Speaker 205 On the other hand, Kennedy has led this campaign to make America healthy again, and that phrase has now got its own acronym, Maha, and has a broad following.

Speaker 205 But Caleb says these cuts are not consistent with that idea.

Speaker 171 And it's really striking to me how the rhetoric of, for example, better nutrition, enhanced food safety, innovation in medical products. runs contrary to what's being done with the workforce.

Speaker 225 A lot of people are afraid of heights, not me. I'm afraid of widths.

Speaker 205 You know, he even quipped that this seems like a good way to make America not healthy again.

Speaker 205 Brother.

Speaker 18 What a waste of airtime.

Speaker 1 So I slipped a Steven Wright in there.

Speaker 30 You didn't notice? I did.

Speaker 74 I laughed at it.

Speaker 58 Okay. I laughed at it.

Speaker 1 I was listening to this guy. That's the reason for the clip.

Speaker 74 Yeah, it was highbrow.

Speaker 75 Highbrow.

Speaker 1 No, I would listen to the clip because this guy's voice, he was either sounding like

Speaker 1 Steve Landisberg, who used to be on

Speaker 1 the TV show.

Speaker 113 The thing is, no one knows our boomer humor.

Speaker 44 Boomer humor.

Speaker 13 There you go. Write humor.

Speaker 1 So I found the Stephen Wright clip that fit right in.

Speaker 113 Yeah, but I mean, people didn't even get my Elmer FUD.

Speaker 113 Boomer humor is failing.

Speaker 79 It's falling flat.

Speaker 1 We have enough of us.

Speaker 49 Well, that audience, which is small,

Speaker 1 I say 10% of our audience gets gets some of this material.

Speaker 42 I'm going to go for five on the Steve Nicholas.

Speaker 1 Those guys should donate.

Speaker 119 Yes, yes.

Speaker 53 This is true. This is true.

Speaker 176 Boomer humor to the rescue.

Speaker 22 Oh, man.

Speaker 22 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Barney Miller was the show with Steve

Speaker 1 Landisburg.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 And he has that exact same voice.

Speaker 138 That's stretching it, though.

Speaker 33 Well, on the HHS, FDA, LMNOP,

Speaker 38 Major Garrett, Shibiyar, CIA Broadcasting Systems, brought on Deborah Burks.

Speaker 1 Why do they bring these old hacks on that are notorious? They're already proven to be phonies and they've lied to the public and admitted it in public that they're liars and they bring them back.

Speaker 1 Or do they have like one Rolodex that's just being passed around and it's like they can't come up with anybody new?

Speaker 59 I'm not quite sure, but she, I mean, since she left after COVID, she's been the CEO of a company.

Speaker 172 She's been on the board of a couple other companies.

Speaker 1 I think in one of these clips, she has to be a spook.

Speaker 193 Well, she was

Speaker 29 a ranking officer in the Navy.

Speaker 41 So I don't know if she was naval intelligence.

Speaker 38 But, you know, now she's claiming for the past few years she's been working in rural Texas.

Speaker 143 So, yes, there is something very odd about her, but she's actually not very negative about RFK Jr.

Speaker 98 Welcome back. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.

Speaker 226 Kennedy Jr. is planning to lay off at least two-thirds of the staff at the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health.

Speaker 226 It is the federal agency within HHS that attempts to prevent workplace-related injuries and illnesses. Those firings are part of the 10,000 jobs that are expected to be cut across the agency.

Speaker 226 I want to bring in former White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Brooks to evaluate all this.
Dr. Brooks, I'm so glad you're with us.

Speaker 226 You have vast experience in the federal government and the federal bureaucracy.

Speaker 10 You know, you say that, but this is CBS, so that can't be a coincidence.

Speaker 226 How do you read these reductions within HHS? Some people are expressing tremendous alarm. Where do you fall on that spectrum?

Speaker 227 Well, you know, I was in DOD, HHS state, and the White House 41 years in federal service. And let me just say my federal service colleagues, I worked with a lot of dedicated, hardworking people.

Speaker 227 But what has happened over the years that you're not hearing about, you're hearing about fraud, waste, and abuse, but there's something else that has been going on.

Speaker 227 And that's a lot of duplication among the HHS agencies. And so when COVID hit, you had things that were ASPER was doing that also CDC was doing and it caused a lot of confusion.

Speaker 227 And I think what they're trying to do, and which I hope they are trying to do, is bring back fundamentals, stop the duplication, get people remission focused, and hold people accountable.

Speaker 227 to improvements in Americans' health because we're spending more, we have more personnel, about 17% increase in just the last four years, yet the health of America has not improved.

Speaker 227 And so I think we have to get back to really understanding what is the job of HHS, and that's the health and human services of the American people.

Speaker 227 And I hope that's what is going to come back in this focus.

Speaker 12 I was surprised when I heard that.

Speaker 162 I'm like, okay, so she's kind of saying it's good.

Speaker 195 Asper, by the way, is the administration for strategic preparedness and response, which I can't even remember hearing that acronym during COVID.

Speaker 42 Do you? No.

Speaker 1 So here's the. Well, she comes on with this very kind of semi-positive approach right after Musk visited the CIA.

Speaker 141 No.

Speaker 25 There you go.

Speaker 76 So here's the follow-up question.

Speaker 175 If these these cuts, these cuts, are they good?

Speaker 226 As you read the headlines, as you talk to your colleagues still in, do you think that the process that is going on is moving in that direction or is kind of Pell Mel and sort of, well, let's just cut as big a number as we can think of.

Speaker 63 Isn't it Pell Mel?

Speaker 140 Pell Mel.

Speaker 63 Isn't it Paul Mall?

Speaker 1 No, no, Pell Mel.

Speaker 1 It means a chaotic.

Speaker 9 Oh.

Speaker 9 But it's an old boomer phrase.

Speaker 125 Well, right.

Speaker 1 95% of the listeners know what it means.

Speaker 145 Pell Mel. I'm thinking Palma.

Speaker 13 The Palm Mall Reds, man, those were hardcore. I haven't heard the paper.

Speaker 1 I see the words. Pell Mel for the first time.

Speaker 227 That's being pretty deliberate. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 That I haven't heard the term Pell Mel for decades.

Speaker 71 Wow.

Speaker 42 Decades.

Speaker 27 They know their audience, don't they?

Speaker 226 Is moving in that direction or is kind of Pell Mel and sort of, well, let's just cut as big a number as we can think of.

Speaker 46 Maybe it's a, they're trying to bring back all these cool, cool phrases, you know, just to sound intellectual.

Speaker 92 It's a kind of pell-mell.

Speaker 133 I'm going to start using it.

Speaker 71 Don't pell me.

Speaker 1 Don't you start using this? That sounds dumb.

Speaker 53 This Trump administration is completely pell-mell.

Speaker 227 You know, I see the work at HHS being pretty deliberative. The fact that they put Asper back within the CDC so that CDC, who is also working on disease control, is...

Speaker 74 Something is up with Asper.

Speaker 40 Why is is she so talking about Asper this?

Speaker 1 No one, no one talks about Asper, but she's more that must be the spook part of the agency.

Speaker 227 She's doing the same thing as Asper so that we're ready for the next pandemic.

Speaker 227 Because when you have two agencies thinking they're both in charge, it caused a lot of confusion around that table of trying to get the best job of COVID for the American people.

Speaker 227 And so what I'm hoping comes out of this is a much more horizontal structure where the NIH, I just say, being at CDC, there are 150 different databases, none of which talk to each other.

Speaker 112 She's totally talking must stuff here.

Speaker 95 Oh, the databases don't talk to each other.

Speaker 75 Okay.

Speaker 227 So there's an injury database, there's a flu database. Americans are whole people.

Speaker 227 So I think figuring out how do we get more horizontal data so we can find where things are going well and learn from them.

Speaker 227 And the things that aren't going well in specific counties, particularly rural counties who are

Speaker 227 well behind in life expectancy compared to urban counties. Are we doing something to address that? And then holding the federal government to outcomes.

Speaker 227 The job of the federal government is not to analyze data. The job of the federal government is to use data to find solutions to actually improve outcomes and impacts.

Speaker 1 That's on a second. How does that even make any sense? You don't analyze it, you use it.

Speaker 98 It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 How do you use it without analyzing it?

Speaker 143 You don't analyze it, just use it.

Speaker 27 ASPER is the Secretary's principal advisor on matters related to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies.

Speaker 113 They are responsible for coordinating interagency activities between HH.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're the ones who made the Limes disease.

Speaker 23 Other federal departments, agencies.

Speaker 1 Fort Dietrich.

Speaker 13 There you go.

Speaker 32 That look.

Speaker 1 Manhattan. Plum Island.

Speaker 133 In July 2019, the Blue Ribbon Study Panel on Biodefense announced a new idea to improve U.S.

Speaker 197 national security against bioterrorism, a quote, Manhattan Project for Biodefense.

Speaker 1 What could possibly go wrong? It's called mRNA vaccine.

Speaker 75 What could possibly go wrong?

Speaker 140 Wow.

Speaker 133 And we did not hear of this.

Speaker 79 At least I can't remember.

Speaker 1 Well, she's brought it to the fore for a reason.

Speaker 1 So now we've heard of it. So now it's

Speaker 1 in play.

Speaker 1 It's in play. It's in play for some reason.
And this was the point of her being on CBS Evening News.

Speaker 33 Let's see what she says in this last clip about the head of the FDA.

Speaker 151 Dr.

Speaker 226 Brooks, I want to ask you about something going on at FDA because Peter Marks, who, as you know, was the FDA's head of biologics, resigned.

Speaker 226 And in his resignation letter, he said, Biologics is vaccines. Robert F.
Kennedy Jr., who leads the Department of Health and Human Services, is subservient.

Speaker 226 He seeks subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies. That's a direct quote related to vaccines and their effectiveness.
And the Wall Street Journal recently editorialized that Mr.

Speaker 226 Kennedy rightly criticized the Biden administration's COVID response for ignoring science, but he won't restore public confidence if he feeds skepticism about vaccines that have saved countless lives.

Speaker 226 The Wall Street Journal editorial board writes, our worst fears about Mr. Kennedy are coming true.
Do you share any of those anxieties?

Speaker 227 Well, what I've seen on the ground, because I've been working the last four years in rural Texas, is

Speaker 227 really him coming out and saying, I believe in the MMR vaccine. It is effective.
I want people to get it. He supported CDC to go in there and support increased access to vaccination.

Speaker 227 Federal dollars went to increasing vaccination in that area. So, you know, you have to look at people's actions and really try to understand

Speaker 227 what is being said and what is being actually done on the ground. And I think what is being done on the ground in West Texas is consistent with improving vaccination rates.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy, there's a lot to unpack in that commentary.

Speaker 1 One, the Wall Street Journal is anti-Kennedy. Why is that? And that's a Rupert Murdoch operation or Murdoch operation.

Speaker 1 The second thing is she's in rural Texas and then coincidentally,

Speaker 1 a measles outbreak, as it were,

Speaker 1 breaks out where she, you know, she's in the vicinity.

Speaker 1 from the sounds of it, she's definitely in rural Texas and she's aware of this situation in the few people with the measles there and the one phony one that supposedly died from measles.

Speaker 1 Now, this is very suspect.

Speaker 1 She's defending Kennedy. Yes.
So Kennedy's obviously

Speaker 1 going to do nothing.

Speaker 145 So

Speaker 13 Dawn O'Connell is the,

Speaker 121 I guess she was the assistant secretary for Asper.

Speaker 13 No,

Speaker 72 it looks like she's the.

Speaker 1 Is there a German operation called Asperger?

Speaker 166 Let's see. Office of Public.

Speaker 49 She looks like a real spook, by the way.

Speaker 79 This Dawn O'Connell.

Speaker 79 Hmm.

Speaker 84 Well, there's definitely something up here.

Speaker 41 Let's see, asper.hh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it was given, it was rolled out for a reason for programming to let us know. Yes.

Speaker 1 What's going on? Give us a backgrounder. And

Speaker 1 I don't know what we're supposed to, what, what

Speaker 1 we can do with it.

Speaker 33 Let's see who the boss is.

Speaker 102 John Knox.

Speaker 56 Wait.

Speaker 85 He's the principal deputy.

Speaker 74 Where's the?

Speaker 27 I guess they don't have.

Speaker 121 Don't they have a

Speaker 27 they only have a deputy?

Speaker 12 Well, I guess so.

Speaker 41 John Knox.

Speaker 138 Where's he from?

Speaker 17 Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 27 But something's in play there with Asper.

Speaker 26 I agree with you.

Speaker 24 And Burke's all of a sudden.

Speaker 51 No, I've been in rural Texas all these years. No,

Speaker 119 four years.

Speaker 10 It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 I'm so confused. No, it makes no sense.

Speaker 30 You're right.

Speaker 23 I'm very confused.

Speaker 40 I'm very confused about her.

Speaker 41 I'm not sure what she's doing.

Speaker 110 It doesn't feel right.

Speaker 17 Yeah, it doesn't feel right.

Speaker 58 Doing Doing something. Yeah.

Speaker 49 Well, let's see.

Speaker 41 We have an interesting donation segment.

Speaker 119 Why?

Speaker 143 Did you see the length of some of those notes?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, especially the guy who insists on the note.

Speaker 133 Well, there's at least five of them that need to be truncated.

Speaker 138 I mean, it just needs to be truncated.

Speaker 1 Well, there's one guy who insists that the note be read.

Speaker 134 What, the one that's five pages long?

Speaker 1 No, it's not that long.

Speaker 1 How about Musk and Doge goes to the CIA?

Speaker 74 Okay, let's do that.

Speaker 18 Then we can deal with the notes as good.

Speaker 62 Millionaire Elon Musk has shared his Doge team's cost-cutting plans with officials at the CIA. The agency has already taken steps to fire employees who worked on diversity issues.

Speaker 62 A federal judge has ordered the CIA to reconsider those job cuts, citing constitutional, statutory, and regulatory

Speaker 122 Well, how does that fit in?

Speaker 1 I don't know. And I don't know what the judges got to do with CIA hiring practices, but okay, these judges are ⁇ something's got to happen with these judges.

Speaker 23 Well,

Speaker 134 isn't President Trump firing the judges?

Speaker 1 No, no, he can't fire these judges. These are judges that are not fireable.

Speaker 46 Oh, unfiable.

Speaker 1 He has to either impeach them.

Speaker 1 Which no one is going to, it's not going to happen because you can't get the votes in the Senate. No.

Speaker 1 Or the Supreme Court's going to have to tell them, hey, you can't be doing what you're doing because this is not, you know, you're district guys. You're not supposed to be doing national

Speaker 34 stuff.

Speaker 1 And the Supreme Court's slow on the draw on this. Why aren't they already involved?

Speaker 116 I don't know.

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 20 No one seems to be paying attention to any of that.

Speaker 145 The news is not the news.

Speaker 189 Uh-oh.

Speaker 103 I discovered something.

Speaker 165 The news is not the news.

Speaker 145 I thought this was rather interesting, though, for those who are so concerned about Elon Musk, the Nazi, and Donald Trump, the Nazi, and the Republicans, the Nazi, and the Texans, the Nazis.

Speaker 145 We're all Nazis.

Speaker 133 But how about some actual Nazi info?

Speaker 221 Argentina's president, Javier Malay, says that he is declassifying government documents on how Nazi war criminals escaped Europe and resettled in South America following World War II.

Speaker 221 It's thought as many as 5,000 Nazis evaded arrest in Argentina. The most prominent was Adolf Eishman, seen here during his trial in Israel in 1961.
Eishman was one of the architects of the Holocaust.

Speaker 89 Israeli agents captured him and took him to Jerusalem, where he was tried and sentenced to death.

Speaker 221 Well, I'm joined now by the man known as the last Nazi hunter. Dr.
Ephraim Zirov has played a key role in helping to bring Nazi and fascist war criminals to trial.

Speaker 1 Dr.

Speaker 221 Ziroff, it's good to have you back on the program. What are you expecting to find in these files that are being made public in Argentina?

Speaker 70 I assume that we'll be able to get many, many details regarding the identity of the Nazis who fled to Argentina and the

Speaker 105 identities of the people who made it possible for them, who helped them.

Speaker 27 I'm going to tell you, this could be bigger than the Epstein files.

Speaker 63 When we really find out who the Nazis Nazis were that were escaped and who helped them, it's going to open up an interesting can of worms.

Speaker 1 Yeah, especially if Hitler's on the list.

Speaker 91 Speaking of Israel,

Speaker 79 the Prime Minister is breaking the law.

Speaker 230 In a defiant gesture towards the International Criminal Court, Benjamin Netanyahu is visiting Hungary. It will be his first trip to the European Union since an arrest warrant was issued against him.

Speaker 230 The Israeli Prime Minister is wanted for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity humanity in the Gaza Strip.

Speaker 230 Prime Minister Victor Orban extended the invitation in November last year, quickly flouting the ICC ruling.

Speaker 144 We have no choice but to defy this decision, and I will invite the Israeli Prime Minister, Mr. Netanyahu, to visit Hungary, where I will assure him if he comes

Speaker 144 that the International Criminal Court ruling will have no effect in Hungary, and that we will not follow its terms.

Speaker 230 As a signatory of the ICC, Hungary is formally obliged to take Netanyahu into custody. But for the next four days, Orban is expected to welcome him into Budapest with open arms.

Speaker 230 And it is not the only time they have put their friendship first.

Speaker 230 In 2017, when Orban was accused of anti-Semitism towards the American Jewish billionaire George Soros, the Israeli PM came to his rescue.

Speaker 230 In July last year, Budapest vetoed an EU statement that condemned the Knesset's rejection of a Palestinian state.

Speaker 230 And the Hungarian leader has unconditionally supported Israel's offensive in Gaza, which has claimed more than 50,000 lives, according to Gaza authority.

Speaker 21 So what is he doing in Hungary?

Speaker 80 That's what I'd like to know.

Speaker 55 What is he doing there?

Speaker 1 There's got to be something going on behind the scenes, or we don't know about what's going to happen there. And why there?

Speaker 145 Well, maybe he wants to ship some

Speaker 92 Palestinians over there.

Speaker 231 Israel is slowly tightening its grip on the Gaza Strip.

Speaker 231 Defense Minister Israel Katz said the army's operation was expanding to seize large areas that would be incorporated into what he called Israeli security zones, without saying how much territory would be seized.

Speaker 231 But he also said that Palestinians would have to be evacuated.

Speaker 231 Katz also called on the enclave's residents to expel Hamas and return hostages, roughly a week after this rare footage showed Palestinians protesting against the militant group.

Speaker 231 But representatives of the families of hostages accused the Israeli government of sacrificing the hostages for the sake of territorial gains.

Speaker 231 Katz's announcement comes a week after he warned that the Israeli military would operate with full force in the territory.

Speaker 231 The ceasefire, which came to an end on March 18th, is now a distant memory for Palestinians living in Gaza.

Speaker 231 At daybreak, Gaza health officials said at least 15 people, including children, were killed in airstrikes on homes in Khan Yunis and the Nusayrat. refugee camp.

Speaker 231 The UN has also warned that stockpiles of flour are running out in Gaza after Israel closed crossings to humanitarian aid.

Speaker 231 The UN has urged Israel to reopen its crossings to humanitarian aid to avert a food crisis.

Speaker 75 What is this?

Speaker 71 So

Speaker 20 maybe he's checking out a new place in Hungary where he's going to flee to?

Speaker 21 What is going on?

Speaker 110 People hate

Speaker 110 people hate Israel.

Speaker 1 Well, they're definitely not doing.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the issue is there, but that reminds me of another European story that we're going to mention.

Speaker 161 You're going to move it right along.

Speaker 1 Unless you want to keep talking about Israel.

Speaker 175 Well, I was just, I was thinking of some witty banter.

Speaker 16 Like, what is going on?

Speaker 30 I can't think of anything witty.

Speaker 1 I'm not witty today, but let's go with the real

Speaker 1 strange story: the arrest of Maureen Le Pen.

Speaker 63 Oh, man.

Speaker 75 Even her,

Speaker 127 even other party leaders are saying this was crap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got the clip here. It's Eva, E-V-A.

Speaker 232 Okay, so the law affair being used against right-wing politicians in Europe is being taken to a whole new level.

Speaker 1 Oh, by the way, this is your buddy. This is your buddy Eva, like whose last name I can never pronounce, that Dutch girl who

Speaker 112 flattingabruck.

Speaker 1 Flat of Flat of whatever name.

Speaker 13 Flattingabruk, yeah.

Speaker 1 She's very pretty, and she's very erudite.

Speaker 163 She kind of dropped off the radar.

Speaker 141 She got married.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I noticed that, but she's back with

Speaker 1 a vengeance with this Maureen Le Pin story.

Speaker 32 If I could give her a little bit of advice, I'd say cut your hair a little bit shorter.

Speaker 26 It detracts from her obvious deep knowledge of affairs.

Speaker 51 Okay, so the law fair.

Speaker 1 If you could put a ponytail up, that would be fine.

Speaker 13 Yes, yes.

Speaker 95 I'm just thinking from a television standpoint, you know, this just, it's like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she is distractingly pretty and the hair doesn't help. Exactly.

Speaker 232 Okay, so the law fare being used against right-wing politicians in Europe is being taken to a whole new level.

Speaker 232 Marlene Le Pen, the leader of Rassemblanc Nationale, the populist right-wing party in France, has just been sentenced to four years in jail, of which two suspended, and has been barred from partaking in French politics for the next five years.

Speaker 232 That means that she's been barred from running against Macron for the position of the president of France.

Speaker 232 She's been convicted for allegedly embezzling European funds, misusing European funds for her national fraction of the party instead of the European fraction of the party, which I dare to bet money on the fact that if

Speaker 232 any judicial system in any European country would launch an investigation into left-wing parties to see if they were doing that, that let's say 80% of them would be found guilty of the same thing.

Speaker 232 Because I used to work in the European Parliament and trust me, this is something that I think happens a lot more than they want you to believe.

Speaker 232 And of course, we will never know that because they don't launch investigations into left-wing parties, because the whole aim of this is to crush the right-wing in Europe, because we're growing too fast.

Speaker 232 And so the system, the cabal, needs to come down on us from another way. And what do they do? Lawfare.

Speaker 232 They're banning us. They're banning our parties.
They're banning politicians from running.

Speaker 232 They're convicting us of hate speech and hate crimes. That's how they do it.
That's the new strategy. And, you know, like, think about it for a second.
Embezzlement of European funds.

Speaker 232 Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, is under investigation for corruption because she closed a 50, no, 35 billion Euro deal with the CEO of Pfizer via text message.

Speaker 232 And we still don't have those sex messages, but she is the president of the European Commission. And Marine Le Pen is not allowed to run as the president of France.

Speaker 232 If that is not two-tier politics, I don't know what is.

Speaker 33 But who's this we she's talking about?

Speaker 49 Is she a political member of a party?

Speaker 16 Is she this

Speaker 23 far right?

Speaker 130 Well, speaking of that, here's a um this is I think this is uh who is this from this uh uh Franz van Catre.

Speaker 42 They give a little more detail on this story.

Speaker 233 Arriving at the national rally headquarters, Jardin Bardela was tight-lipped. But Marine Le Pen's protégé took to X to post that French democracy was executed on Monday with the unjust verdict.

Speaker 233 As president of the party, Vardelena looks set to become its de facto candidate for the 2027 election after a court barred Le Pen from running for office for five years, with immediate effect for embezzlement.

Speaker 233 The national rally and right-wing allies have accused the court of overreach against a candidate whom Poles show is among the front-runners.

Speaker 1 The court is stating its political will, not its judicial or legal will,

Speaker 64 but its political will.

Speaker 157 It's the first time in 40 or 50 years that I've seen this written down in black and white. And that's what's absolutely unbelievable.

Speaker 233 But political rivals, such as communist Fabière Rousselle, posted that justice was justice and must be the same for everyone, reminding that Le Pen herself regularly called for a firmer justice system.

Speaker 233 Jean-Luc Milenchamp and his far-left France-en-Bald party, though, seemed less comfortable with the verdict, emphasizing that they would rather fight the national rally at the ballot box than in court.

Speaker 233 Outside of France, Le Pen's far-right allies rallied around her, including Hungary's Viktor Orban, who declared I am Marine in support, and the Netherlands Geert Veldes, who said he still believed in her becoming president.

Speaker 233 The Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, meanwhile accused more and more European capitals of violating democratic norms. Le Pen has a long history of political and financial support from Moscow.

Speaker 23 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 49 of course you have to throw that in.

Speaker 30 Oh, please.

Speaker 164 She's been financed by Putin.

Speaker 13 You know,

Speaker 92 ever since the

Speaker 27 earthquake in Myanmar, formerly known as Burma, from Burma to Bangkok, which would have been a much better headline,

Speaker 192 the white Christian nationalist eschatological podcasts have gotten all heated up.

Speaker 29 And there is

Speaker 27 a growing concern, or a growing suspicion, I should say,

Speaker 73 that the Antichrist might be Emmanuel Macron.

Speaker 1 Married to a dude.

Speaker 54 Well,

Speaker 70 it doesn't help his case.

Speaker 24 Let's put it that way.

Speaker 13 Married to a dude.

Speaker 9 The Antichrist is Macron.

Speaker 13 I like it.

Speaker 1 That's hilarious bullcrap.

Speaker 1 By the way, and somebody did point out, one of our producers pointed out, there is a giant fault that runs right through Burma.

Speaker 30 There is, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he sent us a fault map. He linked to fault maps.
And yeah, those are all the big faults.

Speaker 1 And that's just the giant faults. The little faults are all over the place.
That wasn't on that.

Speaker 75 Let's face it.

Speaker 163 The biggest fault is us, brother.

Speaker 114 We're the fault.

Speaker 106 We are the fault.

Speaker 50 Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courtesy in the morning to you, the man who put the C in Amcan.

Speaker 27 Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr.

Speaker 3 John C. DeMorah.

Speaker 235 C.

Speaker 6 Buss and Raffy the Air South.

Speaker 1 Door names and nights out there.

Speaker 170 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Hello, trolls. Let me count you.

Speaker 8 Here we go.

Speaker 125 Here we go. Here we go.
Here we go. Here we go.

Speaker 2 We're about on track.

Speaker 102 1949 is our troll count for today.

Speaker 13 So that's pretty good. That's it.

Speaker 94 Well, it's about the average.

Speaker 32 Just a tad above the average.

Speaker 133 And these trolls are listening at trollroom.io, the modern podcast apps at podcastapps.com.

Speaker 113 Speaking of which,

Speaker 50 our conversation about the Pod Father Awards

Speaker 122 has got legs.

Speaker 102 People are doing AI.

Speaker 133 Scaramanga's doing AI videos of us hosting the Pod Father Awards.

Speaker 85 We've gotten a lot of, not the greatest suggestion, but people are coming in with suggestions.

Speaker 134 I've had people already saying, I want tickets. Take my money.

Speaker 28 There's something here, John.

Speaker 1 I'm on it.

Speaker 25 All right.

Speaker 14 It was a great idea, everybody.

Speaker 234 When you hear those words, you know nothing's going to happen.

Speaker 13 Exit strategy.

Speaker 98 That's not true. Far away.

Speaker 1 I've been wanting to do these for 10 years, so I'm right on track. The timing is good.

Speaker 73 The timing is perfect.

Speaker 30 You're 10 years.

Speaker 53 Yes, ever since you were 63.

Speaker 20 It's unbelievable.

Speaker 73 I can't believe we're just about to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do have a birthday coming up, and there's also a big meetup in Albany, not Albany, but

Speaker 1 Oakland at the Pizza Place for my birthday.

Speaker 49 Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 1 I invite everybody there.

Speaker 49 Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 1 It should be on the list for today's meeting.

Speaker 70 I think it is.

Speaker 75 I think it is.

Speaker 1 Of course, Violettas. Violettas.

Speaker 164 We run no agenda, value for value.

Speaker 59 No tariffs.

Speaker 25 We give you the value.

Speaker 42 We give it, just send it out to you.

Speaker 152 You can do whatever you want with it.

Speaker 40 You can copy the value.

Speaker 113 You can throw it around.

Speaker 73 You can make it your own and pretend that you made up all these great things and this great information that we gave you.

Speaker 13 You can be really smart at the water cooler at work or

Speaker 158 in the health club, wherever you hang out with people.

Speaker 58 people uh and uh when you send value back to us we do not charge you any tariffs not at all we just do one for one value for value time talent or treasure and we you okay sound like you fell over no i just rolled my chair over i what appeared to be kind of a lump in the rug Oh, and it made a thunking sound, which then transferred onto the.

Speaker 113 Is Theo looking for his hamster?

Speaker 110 Wow, that took a little longer.

Speaker 46 A little too long.

Speaker 1 Media came to mind.

Speaker 25 We love what our artists do.

Speaker 23 The artists, I have to say, are getting better.

Speaker 27 I see the artists also using AI more as a tool now instead of just throwing stuff in there and hoping something great comes out, which usually doesn't.

Speaker 38 We have more and more artists who are understanding how to use it, which appears to still be the only thing AI is really good at

Speaker 26 is

Speaker 41 generating stuff, generating images, generating video, generating spam messages.

Speaker 42 I was talking to my buddy Dave Jones, and he says, he works in

Speaker 42 a hundred-firm CPA firm.

Speaker 41 He says, and he does the administration.

Speaker 38 He says, this is the worst year ever with phishing attacks from spam.

Speaker 39 And AI is really generating a lot of this.

Speaker 26 And it's at scale.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 63 email is the worst.

Speaker 143 I was like, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 74 So AI can help make email worse but can't seem to fix it or at least no one has tried that the one thing well that would be a nice product i that's a product i would be interested in

Speaker 145 so we want to thank our artists for episode 1751 we titled that talking toilet

Speaker 113 And we like this one.

Speaker 113 We had some ideas for improvement, but it was the

Speaker 163 piece by GoFox.

Speaker 42 And it was the, is this the, we call them the babushka dolls?

Speaker 135 What do you call them?

Speaker 1 Yeah, babushka, the nesting dolls is technically what they are.

Speaker 112 So you had a Twitter doll.

Speaker 1 Nesting Russian dolls.

Speaker 110 Nesting Russian dolls. Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you have any? I have a whole collection of them personally.

Speaker 27 I remember having them when I was a kid.

Speaker 42 I know we had them.

Speaker 138 I bet my sister still has them.

Speaker 1 I bought them in Russia. When I was in Russia, I bought them.

Speaker 42 And how many were there?

Speaker 85 Because I think we had five that fit in.

Speaker 1 I have a niner.

Speaker 56 Wow. A niner.

Speaker 18 It's huge.

Speaker 79 A niner.

Speaker 92 That's what she said.

Speaker 145 Dvorak's got a niner.

Speaker 5 It's huge.

Speaker 140 It's beautiful.

Speaker 48 It was a good piece.

Speaker 76 It was the Twitter to X to Grok.

Speaker 26 Cute little faces.

Speaker 41 We thought it would have been even better if there was a little Elon that could fit inside the Grok, if I recall right now.

Speaker 1 There's always in all these nesting dolls, there's always one little solid piece, a little dinky thing that always gets lost. Give one of these things to a kid.

Speaker 1 Somehow, that little one is gone.

Speaker 42 Or the dog's chewing on it.

Speaker 36 I mean,

Speaker 13 something.

Speaker 125 The little one.

Speaker 1 And the little one, a little bitty musk would have been perfect.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Also, the balance of the piece, it could have been shifted to the left.

Speaker 112 Less a little bit.

Speaker 47 Just a tad.

Speaker 35 Even I agree.

Speaker 170 Perfectly.

Speaker 42 And the currying Dvorak color of the letters was not great.

Speaker 1 It could have been more contrast.

Speaker 1 I had an outline. Black outline helped.

Speaker 47 But that's just, that's just,

Speaker 39 I mean, we're just giving you little minor points.

Speaker 203 It was good.

Speaker 40 There were other things we looked at.

Speaker 42 You like the Take Our Money, the Canadian,

Speaker 29 that mad Canadian with cash.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did like the mad Canadian holding a bunch of cash.

Speaker 115 You use the

Speaker 27 angry baby stomping around.

Speaker 1 I like the angry baby too.

Speaker 123 Yeah, I like the badges. You like angry babies.
You like the angry baby.

Speaker 33 That was capitalist agenda.

Speaker 191 And

Speaker 39 Triple J did a deal, no deal with the Taliban,

Speaker 123 but we didn't think anyone would really get that one.

Speaker 1 No one's going to get it.

Speaker 17 No one's going to get that.

Speaker 47 Triple J also Alphabet Soup.

Speaker 36 Aha, kind of done.

Speaker 103 I think that was it.

Speaker 13 Really, that's pretty much the things we,

Speaker 26 the things that we thought were

Speaker 29 good enough.

Speaker 193 These are all beautiful.

Speaker 31 We appreciate it.

Speaker 39 And I think every single one of them gets used in the chapters on the modern podcast app.

Speaker 114 Give it a try.

Speaker 137 Podcastapps.com.

Speaker 192 Try out Podverse. Try out Podcast Guru.

Speaker 36 Try out Fountain.

Speaker 41 I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Speaker 39 They're really good.

Speaker 152 And they use the Podcast Index, which I might point out, according to a recent survey, is the number one index for all podcasts, above Spotify, above Apple, above YouTube, number one, foam finger, number one.

Speaker 13 You know why?

Speaker 33 Because we don't take stuff out.

Speaker 18 It's uncancelable when you're on the podcast index.

Speaker 23 This is where you say, hey, that's great.

Speaker 135 Congratulations.

Speaker 34 That's fabulous.

Speaker 126 So sincere.

Speaker 107 Let's thank our supporters who we like to call our.

Speaker 1 Do you have a no-agenda plug on that page? Because that's a lot of people looking at it. I don't.

Speaker 1 I don't. No.

Speaker 1 No, I don't.

Speaker 187 It wouldn't hurt.

Speaker 130 I guess.

Speaker 74 I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.

Speaker 143 I want to thank the people who sent us treasure in the form of value in the form of treasure.

Speaker 42 We thank every single

Speaker 15 person who sends us money, $50 or above.

Speaker 228 And in this case, in this particular segment, we thank people who have sent us $200 or more.

Speaker 38 And that makes you not only an associate executive producer, which is a credit, is real Hollywood credit.

Speaker 85 You can use it anywhere credits are accepted, including imdb.com.

Speaker 18 We will also read your note, or most of it, depending on how long it is.

Speaker 27 If you come in with $300 or above, well, bam, you're an executive producer, and we will read your note.

Speaker 20 And it's always interesting to see that the higher the amount, the shorter the note.

Speaker 113 It's some kind of of weird

Speaker 61 voodoo.

Speaker 12 It always works that way.

Speaker 13 The lower the number, the longer the note.

Speaker 9 What do you think that is?

Speaker 1 Oh, I see what you're talking about.

Speaker 124 Yeah, I know you.

Speaker 33 Now you see it.

Speaker 162 So we'll have to truncate some of it.

Speaker 61 But we're going to start off with Brent Walker in Springfield, Oregon, who comes in.

Speaker 138 Oh, there's he asked for something I didn't see.

Speaker 163 He asked for a dedouching right off the bat.

Speaker 88 You've been dedouched.

Speaker 38 And then he says, I'd like a fractal jingle.

Speaker 18 Fractal jingle. Man, that's I have the fractal jingle here.

Speaker 36 Then he also asks for an Obama,

Speaker 79 you might die.

Speaker 56 Where's my

Speaker 63 Obama? You might die.

Speaker 134 And I'd like to, oh, he's going in for a Commodoreship.

Speaker 228 He'd like to be known as Commodore Dubs.

Speaker 95 And he says, thank you for your courage.

Speaker 170 Fractal.

Speaker 27 You might die.

Speaker 164 Have not heard the fractal jingle in many years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 134 That's a long time.

Speaker 28 Thanks, Bran. Good one.

Speaker 1 JLGSLLC in Rockport, Texas.

Speaker 1 Sorry for being a douche for the longest time. Please let me know.
Let me know, Adam. Let me know, Adam, what the name of the dentist you went to to get that surgery done on your teeth.

Speaker 1 My dad has the same problems for years here in Texas and has been

Speaker 1 and has been to count oh I'm sorry been to countless doctors with no cure also to all the aviators that work on them

Speaker 1 and on the teeth and drive them or own them I don't think it's the teeth that's what I said

Speaker 1 look us up we are an aircraft parts and tooling sales company down in Rockport Texas near the corpus christi plus parts or I smell pious parts p-i-us

Speaker 1 it's the name of my company we have some

Speaker 1 Cirrus stuff.

Speaker 1 Cirrus, what is that?

Speaker 13 That's the kind of airplane I fly.

Speaker 70 It's the plastic airplane with the parachute, Cirrus.

Speaker 1 Oh, those things. Okay.
Mostly King Air, Citation, Lear, and Challenger stuff.

Speaker 17 Nice.

Speaker 1 The salty air is really good for these parts down here, so hurry up.

Speaker 1 No, he's being cynical.

Speaker 90 He's being very cynical.

Speaker 1 Salty air is bad.

Speaker 41 Mitch Ponsford is my period periodontist name.

Speaker 142 P-O-N-S-F-O-R-D.

Speaker 33 He's in Bernie, Texas.

Speaker 138 Mitch Ponsford.

Speaker 145 Tell him, Adam, sent you for 10% off your first extraction.

Speaker 28 And thank you,

Speaker 26 J-L-G-S.

Speaker 21 Then we have Cerventes in Topsham, Maine, 38008.

Speaker 143 Nice, nice.

Speaker 26 I see you there with you, boob.

Speaker 217 Quick correction for John.

Speaker 50 The correct phrase in retail is the customer is always right in matters of taste.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I sent him.

Speaker 1 This is bull crap, okay?

Speaker 22 Wow.

Speaker 1 All you have to do is go to the wiki page and they document the whole thing. It goes way back.
So wiki page.

Speaker 1 Somebody some years ago put this in matters of taste in at the last minute

Speaker 1 and it got around, it got around

Speaker 1 virally as bull crap.

Speaker 75 Really?

Speaker 1 Because people are sending me I've gotten a lot of is that go to the wiki page on the customer is always right. It has a history.

Speaker 21 Okay.

Speaker 94 I mean, how, how, how, so we can't take wiki as any truth.

Speaker 159 Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 The wiki page documents this and then refers to Snopes, who also documents this as bullshit. I don't know how many times I have to say it.

Speaker 132 Hmm.

Speaker 63 Let me ask Grok.

Speaker 34 Because Grok will. Grok will probably get it right.

Speaker 41 Let me see.

Speaker 137 The Customer is Always Right is actually a shortened version of a longer sentiment.

Speaker 134 The full idea behind it was more nuanced.

Speaker 228 It was popularized in the early 20th century by retailers like Harry Gordon Selfridge from Selfridges, John Wanamaker, and Marshall Field, who used phrases like the customer is always right in matters of taste.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 123 I'm just telling you, okay, well, that's

Speaker 24 slop.

Speaker 25 Hey, now you're talking my language.

Speaker 49 It's slop.

Speaker 145 He goes on to say, anyone who's worked with the public will understand that the customer can't always be right in all things because the customer are pricks.

Speaker 113 Anyways, this is now my fourth annual birthday donation.

Speaker 145 Happy birthday, John.

Speaker 61 Please add me, Cerventus, my daughter, Ayla, who's turning 18 both on the 5th, and niece Leona, who's turning 7 on the 4th, on the birthday list for this episode.

Speaker 79 They're on there.

Speaker 23 COVID woke me up.

Speaker 145 And your relentless deconstruction has been more a constant caffeine drip that

Speaker 79 keeps waking me up more and more and more and more, just without the jitters.

Speaker 38 Now I need need something that's the midpoint between Nazi propaganda and Zionist propaganda, since you guys are just a couple of Zionist boomer shills.

Speaker 91 Yeah. Love you guys.

Speaker 42 May you never find an exit strategy.

Speaker 61 Sir Ventes from Topsum, Maine, and he wants a Rogan donation.

Speaker 27 Trump, I'm going to come and due to climate change.

Speaker 46 Rogan donation.

Speaker 8 I'm going to come.

Speaker 21 Due to climate change.

Speaker 13 All right.

Speaker 19 There you go.

Speaker 1 Tracy Sullivan in Fowler, Indiana. Fowler comes in with $350, and she has a note which I can click to.

Speaker 1 I have it open, I believe, right here. Dear John and Adam, it's been a while since our last.
She has very pretty printing in a cart. It's just almost like comic.

Speaker 1 It's a comic style. It's been a while since.

Speaker 1 Yes. Don't you think? Yeah.
It's been a while since our last donation. We finally got out of Illinois and moved to a much better place.

Speaker 1 Arrow pointing to Indiana with a little heart.

Speaker 1 We plan on checking out the indie meetups as soon as we can. Well, there's plenty of them and they're packed to the gills.

Speaker 1 This donation also gets me to Damehood. Please dub me Dame Sally Bananas.

Speaker 77 Yay, Sally Bananas.

Speaker 1 Sally Bananas.

Speaker 1 I hope the happy puppy on the card gives you good donation, Karma, Lila. Smiley face.
Thank Thank you, and God bless Dame Sally Bananas, Tracy Sullivan, $350.

Speaker 41 Thank you, Tracy, and we'll see you on the podium later.

Speaker 145 Sir Amsey is in New Rockford, North Dakota, 333.33.

Speaker 158 And

Speaker 95 he says, oh, please credit this donation to my dad, Preston Meyer.

Speaker 103 Am I doing that right here?

Speaker 151 Yes, Preston Meyer. Where's that? It's at the very top of the note.

Speaker 138 It's probably not.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, I can't see it because the note's so damn big that it's blocked. There it is.
Okay.

Speaker 17 You probably can't see that on your cell.

Speaker 134 On February 22nd. No, wait.

Speaker 92 On February 22nd, I saw exactly 333 emails in my box. Lo and behold, the 333 email was a newsletter from no agenda, which usually end up in my spam folder.
I knew I had to donate.

Speaker 151 This is true.

Speaker 137 On 1750, Adam said that he isn't part of a religion and that organized religion is, quote, a problem.

Speaker 53 I was raised going to various Protestant churches.

Speaker 143 My mom is a pastor.

Speaker 173 In 2018, I was confirmed a Lutheran.

Speaker 126 I have a good amount of experience with Protestantism.

Speaker 145 In my experience, there was always something missing with Protestantism.

Speaker 76 Even when reading a verse or passage, it seemed like Protestants would intentionally miss the main message of a passage to fit their beliefs, depending on the denomination of how liberal/slash/conservative they were.

Speaker 15 There are multiple examples of Protestants not taking the words of Jesus literally or explaining them away to mean nothing.

Speaker 113 I'm not sure what you're saying here yet, but let's read on.

Speaker 134 Two years ago, i met my now wife who led me to the catholic church i was confirmed in december i found my way to catholicism through the 2000 year history of the church the evidence of miracles and insights into my own life preached continues to strengthen my faith along with knowing that uh jorge mario begoglio francis is not the pope he's an imposter and a liar

Speaker 12 So is he agreeing with me here?

Speaker 24 I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 Well, Void Zero is definitely on that bandwagon.

Speaker 27 Adam and John, Christians of no agenda, I implore you to look deep into the history of the church mass of the ages is a good docuseries for understanding the reasons that people leave the catholic church church i also recommend michael knowles there are countless conversation conversion stories on youtube to listen to and look up and barnhart's youtube channel and the barnhardt podcast to understand why jorge boro goglio is the anti-pope

Speaker 42 god bless you both thank you for your courage i'm praying for you Oh, thank you, Preston.

Speaker 1 I was not quite sure where you went with the note, but I think I brought up anti-pope once on the show and got nothing but grief.

Speaker 42 Hey, listen, this is a donation note.

Speaker 113 It's not you or me, brother.

Speaker 33 We're just saying it.

Speaker 1 Sir Richard in Burbank, California comes in with the same amount: 33333. And he writes a short note.
He's in Hiroshima, actually, Japan. He's not in Burbank, but that's where he's.

Speaker 23 Is it Hiroshima or Hiroshima?

Speaker 1 I think both ways. I've heard it's pronounced Hiroshima and Hiroshima.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And the Japanese probably.

Speaker 1 I was shocked, shocked, he says, to discover that I had not donated to Noah Jenna for almost two years.

Speaker 49 Wow.

Speaker 1 Thank you for creating. Thank you for creating this outstanding product.

Speaker 1 Sir Richard of Burbank, North of the Five. So he just came in with the.
3333.

Speaker 1 And a short note. We appreciate that.

Speaker 75 Marty is an Alton in.

Speaker 26 Looks like

Speaker 13 Sweden.

Speaker 75 I mean, Switzerland, C-H, Switzerland?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Switzerland.

Speaker 85 Switzerland. And Marty said, Marty.

Speaker 41 I'm sorry.

Speaker 138 It should be Marty.

Speaker 203 Let's drop.

Speaker 24 Hey, let's drop 333.33 from Marty in Orlten, a beautiful town in the midst of the north of Switzerland.

Speaker 133 I appreciate the groundwork being laid in the psychological warfare arsenal from the in this moment insecurity management to hypaphora and emote of conjugation.

Speaker 72 Please, let's extend this list.

Speaker 24 Bertrand Russell is quite the guy.

Speaker 73 John, direct questions about Minecraft to me.

Speaker 63 Adam has my email address.

Speaker 124 I annoyed him in recent months with telling him that I've heard

Speaker 42 John's Bohemian Grove story multiple times on the show.

Speaker 27 Why?

Speaker 56 I don't understand.

Speaker 123 Why do people email me about stuff that you do?

Speaker 1 Because that's exactly the way the world is supposed to be.

Speaker 1 Adam at curry.com for all complaints.

Speaker 124 No, no, this is not good.

Speaker 138 This is not good.

Speaker 159 This is not good.

Speaker 84 And he wants this.

Speaker 1 He's celebrating. He's celebrating

Speaker 1 40th birthday.

Speaker 115 I know, but I'm looking for the chant, the donate to no agenda.

Speaker 13 How does that go again?

Speaker 1 It's called donate, I think.

Speaker 237 Do you know how many?

Speaker 27 Do you know how many there are of donate?

Speaker 133 It was donate.

Speaker 159 It was like a chant, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, donate to no agenda.

Speaker 125 How does it end?

Speaker 1 I don't remember all i remember is it's hypnotic it's very hypnotic but i i uh oh no you're seeing a donate donate instead of that one no there there is a different one that's a different one anyway um

Speaker 41 celebrating for the revolutions around the sun on 4-8 gregorian donation chant for jingles maybe it's on the gregorian chants uh

Speaker 1 i guarantee that's not what it's called no

Speaker 56 donate Well, you're just going to get a different donate.

Speaker 138 I can't help you. I'll give you the donate, Johns.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 238 You've got.

Speaker 4 Donate.

Speaker 2 Donate.

Speaker 1 Donate. Yeah, that's Gregorian.

Speaker 3 No, that's not the one.

Speaker 42 Donate to no agenda.

Speaker 32 Do to do to do to do.

Speaker 38 If I knew the rest of the.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could sing it yourself, but you can't. So Chap Williams is up.
He's in Edmond, Oklahoma. And this is the best one.

Speaker 1 This came in as as a check 333.33 there's no note no nothing so he gets to double up karma

Speaker 238 you've got

Speaker 10 karma are you mad are you mad today is it

Speaker 1 i'm angry

Speaker 1 are you really you seem a little bit on edge no it's just the it's the the eq

Speaker 41 calapingis colin He's in Willow Spring, North Carolina, 331.25, and this donation is in honor of the birth of their newest human resource, sweet baby girl Chloe Susanna, born on 331.25.

Speaker 158 Hence the donation.

Speaker 24 Please add her to the birthday list and to all the other slaves of Gitma Nation who are of childbearing age.

Speaker 61 We made another baby.

Speaker 59 Now the ball is in your half court.

Speaker 18 See, there's someone who listens and knows how it works.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 126 No jingles, no karma.

Speaker 17 Thanks for what you do, says Calapigis Colin in Dubspring, North Carolina.

Speaker 143 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Is that a guy?

Speaker 138 Calipages Colin? I would think so.

Speaker 1 I don't know why you would use that phrase. It's a descriptor.

Speaker 1 Sir Tim in Louisville, Texas, 28743, 2073 donation plus fees for the old man's birthday. Listen to these boomers and check your recurring donations.

Speaker 1 This is his note to the public out there. In other words, listen to the boomers.
That would include me and it would include Adam.

Speaker 1 He says, Mine were cut off, by the way. His recurring donation was cut off months ago, and the guilt is eating me alive.

Speaker 1 Sir Tim of

Speaker 1 the Terrant Swamplands.

Speaker 189 Wow.

Speaker 1 Where's Terrant?

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 175 He's in Texas. I guess.

Speaker 1 I have no idea. Now, here's the note you're talking about.

Speaker 32 Yeah, this is

Speaker 29 so it is from

Speaker 13 Kieran Zwerner in Brevard, Brevard, Brevard, North Carolina.

Speaker 228 Roadux 222.22.

Speaker 173 Starts out by saying, I can hear you groaning about the length of this note already, but a huge part of what makes this show so important is the feedback loop between you and the producers.

Speaker 77 It makes us all better.

Speaker 237 I hope you consider this a contribution of time, talent, and treasure.

Speaker 27 No, it's theft of time.

Speaker 49 No, it's just a robbery.

Speaker 32 It's a robbery.

Speaker 173 I've been sitting on this note since this donation and note since February, waiting to close on a house and then just being a tight wad douchebag.

Speaker 42 So some of this refers to old but still highly relevant news.

Speaker 145 And then he's talking about the Laftel.

Speaker 134 He's talking about

Speaker 137 Michio Kaku.

Speaker 126 Then he has something to say about our analysis on climate change clips, biodiversity.

Speaker 145 Brother, there's no way we can read this.

Speaker 74 There's just no way. It's a 10-pager.
It really is super, super.

Speaker 1 He even goes on to GLP1.

Speaker 12 Okay, that's it.

Speaker 85 After all, I should add that I love the show.

Speaker 113 Since I think producer age is of interest to you, I'll also mention that we are both 28.

Speaker 234 I started listening in December of 2021 and promptly hit my wife in the mouth.

Speaker 38 We came for Adam, we stayed for John.

Speaker 18 It makes me feel special.

Speaker 53 My parents are a bit tougher than her, but I'm trying.

Speaker 73 Anyway, we rarely miss the show since, even while living off the grid in the cloud forest in Ecuador for six months.

Speaker 95 In 2023, we climbed mountains to get service and download the latest show.

Speaker 137 Okay, that is very very cool.

Speaker 55 Keep up the good work.

Speaker 13 What does he do?

Speaker 27 When they were living in Ecuador, they climbed up a mountain to get service to download the episode.

Speaker 22 Oh, wow.

Speaker 73 That's dedication right there.

Speaker 63 Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 31 So thank you very much. We appreciate that.

Speaker 1 That should have been at the top of that.

Speaker 1 That's the lead. Yes.
Yes, we call it.

Speaker 85 And Kiernan asked for their eating the dogs, followed by Don't Be So Flippant Man.

Speaker 173 Now, this is interesting.

Speaker 73 I went looking for Don't Be So Flippant.

Speaker 42 Do you know that that never was a jingle?

Speaker 68 Don't be so flippant?

Speaker 1 I never heard it as a jingle.

Speaker 145 No, but I clipped it just for him because the long note and I knew we weren't going to read it.

Speaker 145 And he says, P.S., it was great to hear Mimi on the old-fashioned on-purpose podcast.

Speaker 133 She's so cool. Did Mimi do the podcast?

Speaker 1 Yeah, she does a lot of podcasts to promote the know the too many eggs book, which is also available for free at too many eggs.com. They're eating the dogs.

Speaker 16 How dare you be so flippant, man?

Speaker 92 I'm glad I got that one.

Speaker 27 I got to play that one one more time.

Speaker 1 Anonymous.

Speaker 16 Hold on. How dare you be so flippant, man?

Speaker 194 Got a goot karma. Goat karma.

Speaker 9 You've got

Speaker 239 karma.

Speaker 1 Anonymous comes in. I get, I'm lucky here.
222.22. That came in as a check.
So there's no jingles, no karma involved and no note. So give them a double up.

Speaker 126 Double up karma coming your way, Anonymous.

Speaker 172 You've got.

Speaker 239 Karma.

Speaker 56 And there's Sean Holman from Noblesville, Indiana, 21911.

Speaker 145 1911 is the number because he says, don't be a juice bag.

Speaker 158 Visit stealtharms.net and design your own 1911 platypus today.

Speaker 203 It takes double-stack Glock mags.

Speaker 175 Jesus is king.

Speaker 1 No, should put a stealth. Oh, okay, stealth arms.

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Speaker 1 I have an ask Adam.

Speaker 23 Oh, you do.

Speaker 27 I wasn't prepared for an ask Adam.

Speaker 1 You can play a quick jingle.

Speaker 63 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you can't find it, that's okay.

Speaker 36 Well, I used to have these kind of at the ready, but I don't know what happened.

Speaker 19 I don't know what happened. Yeah, what happened?

Speaker 13 I don't know what happened.

Speaker 56 Something happened.

Speaker 196 For some reason,

Speaker 159 it's

Speaker 159 okay.

Speaker 18 Here we go. There we go.

Speaker 3 Ask.

Speaker 8 Hello. Ask.

Speaker 159 Okay, there we go. That's what's the question.

Speaker 1 Yes, answer.

Speaker 16 So I'm going to play the clip and I'm going to ask you a question about the clip.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 Because

Speaker 1 I consider there's what I would call an illogic moment.

Speaker 49 Ask Adam Clip.

Speaker 93 The General Services Administration announced it is significantly scaling back government-run child care services. WAMUS JAXINZINEBERG has the story.

Speaker 224 Up until this month, the GSA ran an Office of Child Care Services that oversaw a network of 82 government-run services across the U.S., including Puerto Rico.

Speaker 224 Some are housed in federal office buildings, especially those in D.C.

Speaker 224 Others are independent businesses supported by the government that give preferential admission to the children of federal workers.

Speaker 224 Those child care centers will now face closure or significantly higher operating costs.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 What was the question?

Speaker 9 The question will be:

Speaker 1 if they're having their money taken away,

Speaker 1 why is there going to be significantly higher operating costs?

Speaker 1 That's what he said. Yeah.

Speaker 92 It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 They're having their money taken away.

Speaker 28 Where was that from?

Speaker 138 That's very interesting.

Speaker 1 It was from WAMU in Washington, D.C. It's a local PBS station.

Speaker 75 But I just, what?

Speaker 1 This is like the same thing where they say, oh, you know, it generates 50, they talk about, oh, you're taking a billion dollars away from the park service.

Speaker 1 Do you realize that that $1 billion generates $55 billion in revenue?

Speaker 30 Well, you get $55 billion in revenue once you recycle some of it.

Speaker 1 I mean, we hear these illogic complaints constantly.

Speaker 15 Well, that's what the media does.

Speaker 133 I mean,

Speaker 38 they just take the press release and read it.

Speaker 145 I don't think they're doing any work anymore.

Speaker 1 No, I think they've stopped doing work sometime back.

Speaker 151 So two things.

Speaker 53 So I have a series of clips. Do we have time?

Speaker 17 I'm wondering if I should keep it for Sunday.

Speaker 18 Maybe I'll keep this for Sunday.

Speaker 1 But what's a clip about?

Speaker 59 Well, Morning Joe.

Speaker 27 So it was in relation to the Incels black pill.

Speaker 143 And I did get a number of very interesting notes from one of our producers who is an incel, and he explains why.

Speaker 76 I got notes from teachers saying, yes, you know, we try to do ballroom dance class to get boys and girls comfortable with each other.

Speaker 1 And it is ballroom dance. What we try to do is different than forcing it.

Speaker 74 Yes, correct.

Speaker 228 No, he says forcing.

Speaker 138 I think he actually mentioned forcing.

Speaker 13 Well,

Speaker 1 at what age?

Speaker 110 He is a

Speaker 130 didn't say just teenagers.

Speaker 1 So it makes a difference. When you're forced to dance with a girl in the second grade,

Speaker 1 first, second, and third grade. Yes.
It has a different impact on you than eighth grade.

Speaker 133 We got a note from Matt saying we used to have junior assembly, a junior assembly.

Speaker 18 That's something similar.

Speaker 143 And he says, now we're raising a young man.

Speaker 228 He has a good head on his shoulders, thanks to his mom.

Speaker 12 But the battle is real.

Speaker 32 And every day, it's a the battle is real.

Speaker 28 And so, and I can keep these for Sunday if you want, but Morning Joe, Morning Joe had

Speaker 63 a piece on how Gen Z men are more religious than Gen Z women, and that this is that there's a trend here, a a trend of young men

Speaker 48 discovering Christianity.

Speaker 27 And I thought it was interesting because it was on Morning Joke, if I can say that enough.

Speaker 1 Would you like to hear? You said it again.

Speaker 50 Would you like to hear this report?

Speaker 1 Well, I think so.

Speaker 143 Because you've played some Christian clips, some white Christian nationalist clips in the past two shows.

Speaker 24 So I figure I would reciprocate it.

Speaker 1 None that I can recall, but sure.

Speaker 77 Yes, you did.

Speaker 13 What do you mean?

Speaker 23 Yes.

Speaker 1 To the way your voice changed there.

Speaker 66 Now to a remarkable shift happening in America.

Speaker 10 Remarkable shift happening.

Speaker 1 Remarkable shift.

Speaker 13 Jesus is trending.

Speaker 66 American public life. Ever since the baby boomer generation, surveys have shown women are more religious than men, but not anymore.

Speaker 66 So new surveys show Gen Z men are more likely to claim religious affiliation and even attend church than their female counterparts.

Speaker 66 Let's bring in NBC News correspondent and NBC News Now Daily anchor, Morgan Radford, for a closer look at this trend.

Speaker 199 Is she the new anchor? There's a new anchor at NBC Daily?

Speaker 187 I don't watch the network that much.

Speaker 66 All right. And what it means, even politically, Morgan.

Speaker 244 Mika, great question. It has a lot to do with

Speaker 245 political implications, especially if you sort of look down in the decades to come.

Speaker 244 But it's a trend that America's religious leaders have been paying attention to, but it's also something that a growing number of political groups are tracking since this shift toward religion is happening at the very same time that we're also seeing more young men lean conservative on a number of social issues.

Speaker 244 It's a shift that has huge implications, as we mentioned, for the future of both parties.

Speaker 69 Ah, huge implications for politics.

Speaker 1 This is a bullcrap story that's designed to explain away the fact that younger Gen Z men

Speaker 1 are voting Republican and they're eschewing the Democrats and their stupidities and coming in conservative. And there's a big stink about it.
So now what they're doing here is they're blaming it on

Speaker 1 those horrible Christians.

Speaker 16 Have you seen this report?

Speaker 1 No, I'm just telling you, that's what I believe is going on.

Speaker 13 Well, let's have a listen.

Speaker 218 20-year-old Owen Girard has changed.

Speaker 215 I was on the steps of the Florida State Capitol, you know, advocating for climate activism, the Green New Deal, all that stuff.

Speaker 105 A lot.

Speaker 131 And then now?

Speaker 215 And I'm a staunch conservative.

Speaker 218 A conservative voter.

Speaker 54 And a conservative Christian.

Speaker 218 What changed?

Speaker 51 No,

Speaker 113 wait a minute. He was all in on our team.

Speaker 10 He switched.

Speaker 1 This is an example. This would be MSNBC's gambit of

Speaker 1 association. They use this trick.

Speaker 1 So there's something going on that we don't like. Yep.

Speaker 1 And we know that our audience hates Christians. They're a bunch of atheists.
And so we're going to... We're going to make the associations

Speaker 1 and do the linkage that doesn't exist. It exists with one guy or this guy or that guy, but whatever it is, we're going to generalize from that and make everybody look like a bunch of boneheads.

Speaker 92 All young men are Christians, John.

Speaker 10 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 13 They're all Republicans.

Speaker 215 Well, really, it was the faith journey that really fundamentally transformed my political view.

Speaker 218 For the first time in modern American history, more young men than women are claiming religious affiliation, a gender gap of 7%, while men under 30 who lean Republican have also outpaced Democrats for the first time in more than a decade.

Speaker 225 You get a line with other men that are like, hey, I actually have the same views as you.

Speaker 13 And it's like, it's okay to have that view.

Speaker 218 Here at the Faith Forward Pastor Summit in Gainesville, Georgia, hosted by an arm of the conservative activist group Turning Point USA, the call for young conservative men.

Speaker 13 We're called to be biblical and we're called to be political.

Speaker 78 By the way,

Speaker 122 if you want to make Christians look crazy, get one of those guys.

Speaker 24 We're called to be men and we're called to be political.

Speaker 13 We're called to be biblical and political. Biblical and political.

Speaker 1 That's exactly what's going on here. This is a propaganda piece.
This is great.

Speaker 13 We're called to be political.

Speaker 218 It's finding a bigger audience than ever before.

Speaker 225 I had a burning desire in my heart, a heavenly desire, that wasn't being filled by anything

Speaker 225 of this world.

Speaker 27 And so they bring in one of these groups, and they're the promise keepers.

Speaker 3 Here we are.

Speaker 218 For Shane Winnings, who leads the national men's ministry group, Promise Keepers.

Speaker 63 What kind of man are you?

Speaker 13 It's all part of a bigger strategy.

Speaker 215 I think it's very intentional. And I think the messaging from the administration was very intentional.
The Trump.

Speaker 13 Ah, you see?

Speaker 51 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 See, the president, the president determines culture.

Speaker 13 Administration.

Speaker 215 Yeah, it was to win those kind of people.

Speaker 170 Who?

Speaker 215 And the young people, the men who want to be men.

Speaker 37 If you fear culture, then you don't fear God.

Speaker 218 Men who want to, or can be convinced to, return to what he calls traditional values.

Speaker 215 What we're seeing in this erosion where now anyone can be a family. You know, two men can be a family and they can adopt kids.

Speaker 43 They hate gays.

Speaker 215 Which I think is problematic. Two women could be a family, they can adopt kids.
Marriage doesn't mean anything anymore.

Speaker 244 What threat is that to you if those two men love each other?

Speaker 215 Because you can point statistically to our society being eroded from within because two men automatically create an unstable household because that is not God's design for a family.

Speaker 191 And you think that hurts America?

Speaker 214 Absolutely.

Speaker 218 Which extends to policy issues that he believes are fundamentally against God.

Speaker 119 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 Now we're getting into the knitting.

Speaker 145 I mean, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 76 I think it backfires what they're trying to do here.

Speaker 24 Let's hit wokeness.

Speaker 104 When we talk about the intertwining of faith and politics, a lot of the messaging here is about eradicating wokeness.

Speaker 190 Yeah.

Speaker 51 What does that mean?

Speaker 215 Well, I think wokeness, you know, is really anything that comes against God's design. It's this progressive intelligence.

Speaker 213 Please, wokeness is like DEI.

Speaker 244 Wokeness is. Anything that's against God.
Yes.

Speaker 132 Yeah. 100%.

Speaker 215 How so?

Speaker 191 Well, I mean, it is everything it claims to be against.

Speaker 215 You know, DEI is discriminatory. It is racist.
DEI says, what's your skin color and who do you sleep with? You're getting to the front of the line.

Speaker 245 Can I push back on that? Please. My interpretation of DEI

Speaker 245 and affirmative action is essentially saying,

Speaker 245 not that you must promote me because I'm black, but you are not allowed to discriminate against me.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 215 that's already a part of our Constitution and already a part of our laws. DEI has been used to push people to the front of the line who don't belong there.

Speaker 244 If someone calls some points and says that's a DEI hire.

Speaker 245 I think that's wrong too. Do you think they're pointing at you or do you think they're pointing at me?

Speaker 132 I don't know.

Speaker 215 I'll tell you what, though, I think it's wrong to make a snap judgment. Like, that is not godly.

Speaker 245 Because it assumes that the only people who can have good things are straight white men.

Speaker 170 Exactly.

Speaker 215 And that's a problem. I'm excited.

Speaker 225 You have your Bible?

Speaker 126 So at Promise Keeper.

Speaker 71 Hold on a second. I love it.

Speaker 1 First of all, what kind of reporter gets into an argument?

Speaker 92 Can I push back on that, please?

Speaker 1 With someone they're interviewing.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're supposed to be

Speaker 1 hearing the point of view and then maybe finding somebody else with a different point of view. You do all this kind of thing.
You're supposed to be fairly neutral.

Speaker 1 But then to get into an argument as though you're the... the contra the contradiction to whatever this guy say is is bad journalism it it is well i'm gonna

Speaker 1 pushing today this is what a lot of you got to do that you got to do that we're going to go back to the studio now let's talk about the politics of all this

Speaker 246 obviously we were just talking to the head of the dnc about what happened in november why democrats may have lost men central to that i'm not just talking about white men i'm talking about men uh young men in particular so what are the political implications of that report you just showed us i'm actually glad that you said not just white men because this coalition that is bubbling up is actually becoming more inclusive racially, which has been a little bit surprising, frankly, to watch in the data.

Speaker 244 But what economists say is that if you actually look, if women are leaving the church, where are these far-right men going to meet these women?

Speaker 244 If you're not meeting at the church and you're not meeting at the bar, what they're saying this is actually could have implications romantically.

Speaker 244 It could have implications on the birth rate because you can't pair if women are ideologically so far left and you're moving so far right, which means you're actually sort of compromising or putting at risk the very traditional family that you're trying to see.

Speaker 74 So I found this to be an interesting stretch.

Speaker 228 It's like, well, if you join the church, you're actually going to become an incel because there's no women there.

Speaker 217 No women in the church.

Speaker 1 That'll be the day. And by the way.

Speaker 40 Right?

Speaker 145 And so now they bring in two fun terms.

Speaker 39 I always use the term

Speaker 113 sparkle clergy or rainbow church, but they have new ones.

Speaker 66 Well, I'm reading a lot about women not getting married, opting not to get married, not finding

Speaker 189 a partner.

Speaker 66 Yep.

Speaker 66 I'm curious, these young men, are they going to the church first and then finding the conservative political messaging, or are they seeking it out

Speaker 66 and finding it in churches?

Speaker 244 It's a great question.

Speaker 72 Sort of goat, yellow.

Speaker 13 Another great question.

Speaker 156 Like the chicken or the egg. And the answer is both.

Speaker 244 And what surprised me is that the pastors we spoke to said that the more strident their message is against the mainstream, right?

Speaker 244 We already know that basically two-thirds of the country believes that same-sex marriage is okay, abortion is okay, that transgender rights should be part of the tapestry of this country.

Speaker 88 But they're saying the more strident they are against those things, they can use that as a recruitment tool.

Speaker 93 They said, we don't believe in gummy bear Jesus or candy Christianity.

Speaker 5 And they said, I love gummy bear Jesus.

Speaker 244 I never forgot sort of the analogy of one pastor. He said, look, you're welcome to come break bread with us and have food at the table, but don't think we're changing the menu.

Speaker 244 The menu was set millennia ago.

Speaker 29 Yes.

Speaker 18 And then the final clip is about the loneliness and regressionism.

Speaker 209 You know, to me, as we were having the same conversation around the loneliness epidemic of men, young men especially, it sounds like that the church is a place where people are finding community.

Speaker 209 And that community potentially could be, I don't, I mean, the only term I can think of is radicalizing them around this particular

Speaker 209 ideology as it relates to the nuclear family and what Millennia is.

Speaker 189 And I thought it was understanding it.

Speaker 10 It's crazy stuff they're doing there.

Speaker 209 I don't think Millennia had you in mind.

Speaker 156 Or you.

Speaker 13 Or me.

Speaker 160 Did they know you were black?

Speaker 4 That's what I want to know.

Speaker 4 What's the real question?

Speaker 71 Community question.

Speaker 244 Yeah, look, I think they are saying it's a place that they can find community, but it's what that community looks like now.

Speaker 244 And they're saying they want to revert back to this traditional community, but they say that progress was such a bad word. Yeah.

Speaker 244 They don't want to see progress. So the question is, is it traditional?

Speaker 63 I didn't hear anyone say they don't want to see progress.

Speaker 1 I didn't hear that either. Where's she getting that from? No.

Speaker 244 Or does it need to be regressive enough?

Speaker 1 From her lesbian friends.

Speaker 9 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 244 They don't want to see progress. So the question is, is traditional even enough? Or does it need to be regressive community?

Speaker 244 And the opposite side of it is you look at a lot of these progressive Christians who say, look, if you're denying someone inclusion in your church because of DEI or some such thing, are you reflecting the fact that God created us all in his image?

Speaker 92 It's interesting. No one said they reject anyone

Speaker 244 because he created us in his image. He created all of us and all of our multiplicities.
So it's an interesting conversation.

Speaker 66 Remarkable piece and remarkable conversation.

Speaker 1 Oh, remarkable, my ass.

Speaker 18 Remarkable, my ass.

Speaker 60 Yeah, they don't know what to do with it.

Speaker 122 Well, they do actually.

Speaker 27 Like, oh, just make it to Trump.

Speaker 56 It's Trump.

Speaker 1 Well, that brings us to the last two TikTok clips.

Speaker 27 Oh, I'm so happy.

Speaker 72 Let's go with the TikTok clips.

Speaker 1 Let's start with Kathy.

Speaker 154 Kathy, it is.

Speaker 88 I just had dinner with a friend that works for Catholic Charities of Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 51 Okay, stick with me here.

Speaker 93 Okay.

Speaker 248 This is going to disturb all of you.

Speaker 248 They just got a letter from the tip-top of the people in Washington telling them that they would not get money to help their charitable organization feed people

Speaker 248 if they did not give up all of the names, addresses, and information of all of the El Salvadorian, El Salvadorian, I can't even do it. I can't even talk about it because it makes me want to cry.

Speaker 160 She said she is so torn, but it came down from up above that they have to give them up.

Speaker 160 They have to give up all of their information if they want the money to help everyone. How is this what we are living in?

Speaker 160 How is this what is happening?

Speaker 249 I can't.

Speaker 248 I'm laughing earlier today, but I'm finishing out the day fucking crying.

Speaker 130 Oversocialized and undereducated.

Speaker 1 They want to get a hold of the MS-13 people and they won't be able to feed them.

Speaker 197 But the Catholic charities that she's talking about is an immigrant resettlement organization.

Speaker 1 It's a scam.

Speaker 51 It's a scam.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And I like how there's a subtext there of it's coming from up above like God is doing it.

Speaker 1 But we know what it's talking about. He's coming from Trump.

Speaker 1 Come on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not God. All right.

Speaker 1 And here we have our Wisconsin nut.

Speaker 21 Elon?

Speaker 13 With the cheese on his head?

Speaker 1 No, another one.

Speaker 250 Hey there. So Elon Musk is getting charged with a possible felony in the state of Wisconsin for bribery charges.
And if he comes to the state of Wisconsin, he will be arrested.

Speaker 250 Also, Mike Johnson was just arrested.

Speaker 250 It's come and unraveled. Yes, it's come and unraveled.
I said that I thought eventually Elon Musk was leaving. I wasn't sure if he was being deported, but it seemed like it.

Speaker 4 Just said I would let you guys know.

Speaker 250 Blessings to you. Make it a great day.
And I am one more day proud to be from the state of Wisconsin.

Speaker 75 All right.

Speaker 102 Well, I have to say, this is no nuttier Hillary Clinton is already at Gitmo.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 92 I'll admit, quantum dots, quantum dots on the ballots.

Speaker 228 And the grid is going down.

Speaker 174 Oh, man.

Speaker 10 Social media is ruining.

Speaker 1 Frank Johnson's already been arrested. And Elon, if he shows up in Wisconsin, we saw him in Wisconsin.
Yeah. He's going to be arrested if he shows up.

Speaker 71 And this is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 This is worse than anything.

Speaker 113 I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.

Speaker 249 Imagine all the people who could do this.

Speaker 44 Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.

Speaker 44 Yeah,

Speaker 44 on no agenda.

Speaker 44 In the morning.

Speaker 145 So, on the way, we have three dynamite brand new end-of-show mixes you will not want to miss.

Speaker 33 We have tips of the day because I also have a tip of the day today, which I'm excited to share.

Speaker 10 It's not always John, sometimes it's also me.

Speaker 24 And we have Meetups Galore.

Speaker 133 So, if John will hop to it, we've got a nice list of well-wishes for your 73rd birthday. And by the way, John, in advance, happy birthday.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you very much. And we're going to start off with some people that helped us here.
And starting with Joan, Joan Gasperoni in Isle of Palms, South Carolina, 133.

Speaker 1 Hakon Andreessen. Hakon? What do you think? I don't know.
Hakon. 105.35.
That's a birthday donation for his niece Tilda, who turned two.

Speaker 1 Geek Geek Rowling in Court d'Alene, Idaho, 10101. Matthew Toy in Carnegie, Pennsylvania,

Speaker 1 100. And he's donating for all the free entertainment.
Curtis Thomas, 100.

Speaker 1 He's in from Parts Unknown.

Speaker 1 He has a long note about how great we are. Thank you very much.
You're great.

Speaker 236 We appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Baron Ladikin in Houston, Texas, 100. John Robinet, 100.

Speaker 1 Kellen Prince in Hollywood, Florida, 100.

Speaker 1 Sir F. A.
N. Beck in Vista, California, 100.
Then we got to Kevin McLaughlin, 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and lover of boobs, Conquered North Carolina.

Speaker 1 Baron, and now we have birthday.

Speaker 1 These are all happy birthday, John, donations. I'm going to skip it.
I don't know why we don't have cities in most of these because

Speaker 1 it comes right off the spreadsheets. This happens with PayPal once in a while.
I don't know what causes it, but we're going to thank everyone in order.

Speaker 1 Starting with Baron Victor and then Dame Flying Fish. They both wish me a happy birthday.
Eridadarian,

Speaker 1 William Bullock,

Speaker 1 Marjorie Santelli, James Borders.

Speaker 1 Also, it mentions four more years. There's Kevin McLaughlin again.
7568. He's the Archduke Aluna.
Thank you, Kevin. Patricia

Speaker 1 Kamak, K-M-A-C-K. What a great name.
Kamak.

Speaker 1 Irma and Anita. And they're in Holland.

Speaker 97 Irma.

Speaker 1 And they're saying happy birthday from Irma and Anita. Love the show.
Oh, thanks. We found out about it before COVID hit.
Well, you found out at the right time. That's right.
David

Speaker 1 Schwindinger,

Speaker 1 followed by Dave Schwannebeck.

Speaker 158 Schwindinger and Schwannebeck.

Speaker 1 Schweindinger and Schwannebeck.

Speaker 1 And then Devin O'Connell.

Speaker 1 And he has a birthday himself on the ninth.

Speaker 34 Paolo Paolo.

Speaker 80 Paolo. Paolo.

Speaker 13 Porceo. Paolo.

Speaker 19 Porco.

Speaker 49 Porco. Porso.

Speaker 1 Porco. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 Sir Finam.

Speaker 1 Ryan Zukowski. Brendan Blemmer.
Baronetes. Ellen.

Speaker 1 She says she does have a, is she in Montgomery, Alabama? That did come through. Wow, 73 revolutions, JCD.
No wonder you're so grouchy.

Speaker 1 Loves your. But then she says, love your industry.
No, no, no.

Speaker 165 Baronetess.

Speaker 28 Ellen wants house buying karma.

Speaker 193 It's David Sousa who says

Speaker 110 no one. Wait, where is the

Speaker 1 Brendan Flemer?

Speaker 143 Brendan Flemer was a grouchy.

Speaker 1 Brendan Flemer, she's the one. Or is he? Brendan.

Speaker 13 Brendan's a he.

Speaker 1 Yes. And he said that, and he's the one.
Okay. Baronet Tess Ellen in Montgomery, Alabama.
That's you're right. That's different.

Speaker 1 She needs some house buying karma.

Speaker 1 We'll give you that at the end. David Sousa in Turlock, California.
Sousa.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Baron Anonymous Call.

Speaker 228 David Sousa says he donated 133 last year for the first time.

Speaker 42 It was never deduced.

Speaker 3 We'll do that now.

Speaker 88 You've been deduced.

Speaker 173 By the the way, what an opportunity.

Speaker 143 This is your ham radio birthday.

Speaker 151 This is your 73.

Speaker 74 It's your ham birthday.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, that's that's I'll make a note of that in the next newsletter. 73 is everybody.

Speaker 1 You got to item 49, and you find it dawned on you. Great.
That didn't dawn on me. So

Speaker 1 you got me beat.

Speaker 13 You just realized.

Speaker 1 This is the way we do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, we missed out on that idea. Baron Anonymous Cop, our buddy there.
And 73 bucks, he's on the peninsula. Joshua Collins, Sir David French,

Speaker 1 Baron of Bits, Bites, and Bourbon. Sir Dan in Canton, Georgia.

Speaker 1 Dame Rita. There she is.
She's in Sparks, Nevada.

Speaker 1 What? For Texas.

Speaker 71 Wait.

Speaker 112 You crapped out for a moment.

Speaker 1 Dame Rita and Tony Helfs.

Speaker 133 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 27 Dame Rita's in Nevada, Nevada.

Speaker 134 And Tony Helfts is in Texas.

Speaker 71 Fort Worth.

Speaker 1 Where all the money is. Joe Drake in Ferndown, UK.

Speaker 1 Consider this

Speaker 1 interesting. This is a show multiplier.
Oh, this is $70. This has got nothing to do with anything.
My birthdays, that was all the birthday. Hellos.
There's 30 of them.

Speaker 187 Thank you very much.

Speaker 134 Joe Drake wanted to deduce you.

Speaker 88 You've been deduced.

Speaker 1 Onward with Ethan Moss in Roanoke, Texas. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know what it is?

Speaker 56 What?

Speaker 1 That's interesting.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you after the show.

Speaker 1 Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona.

Speaker 30 I can't wait.

Speaker 1 Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. Ethan Moss, I said that in Roanoke, Texas, going backwards.
Brian Furley, I said that 55-10 for him. Dame Tracy and Sir Kane Brake in St.
George, Louisiana, 55-10.

Speaker 1 Erry Mattson in Ventura, 5420. Heather Harper in Lubbock, 5333.

Speaker 1 John Bassano in Madison, Alabama, 5272.

Speaker 1 Jennifer Williams in Davey Crockett.

Speaker 1 National Park. Is that what that is? Texas?

Speaker 34 I thought that was the Alamo.

Speaker 41 National Forest.

Speaker 1 National Forest. National Forest.
Okay. 5272.

Speaker 1 James Burroughs in Landrum, South Carolina.

Speaker 113 FEMA Reason. He needs to be.

Speaker 4 Orange.

Speaker 88 You've been deduced.

Speaker 48 Also, house buying karma at the end for you.

Speaker 1 And now we go at the $50 donor's name and location.

Speaker 1 Scott McCarty in Lodi. Jordan Tierney in Oral, South Dakota.
Tony Lang in Castle Pines, Colorado. Foster Birch in New York City.
Matt Frazey in St.

Speaker 1 John's, Florida, Daniel LeBoy in Bath, Michigan, Rebecca

Speaker 1 H-A-U-G-H, which is HA, I think,

Speaker 1 in Memphis, Tennessee. James Sharometa, we haven't heard from him for a while.

Speaker 71 He's Nabanock, New York.

Speaker 1 Leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon.

Speaker 1 She says,

Speaker 1 I wish I could give more each month. You are a huge part of my life.
You give accurate information so we can function in these crazy times. Yes.

Speaker 1 Carlos Estrada in Spring, Texas and Aichi Kitagawa in San Francisco. These are the people that helped us produce and get show 1752 off the ground.
I want to thank each and every one of them.

Speaker 76 Very good group.

Speaker 137 House buying karma for two people here.

Speaker 238 You've got karma.

Speaker 133 And thank you all so much.

Speaker 42 We do not mention people under $50 so that there's a spot where you can always be anonymous.

Speaker 164 However, a reminder once again, we do have those recurring donations, and they help a lot.

Speaker 145 You can set them up any amount, any frequency by going to noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 48 And again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producers who helped us produce episode 1752.

Speaker 8 It's his birthday and birthday.

Speaker 8 Oh, no agenda.

Speaker 6 Hakund Andreessen wishes his niece Tilda a very happy birthday.

Speaker 118 Now she celebrated her second birthday on March 24th. Kylopigas Collin, happy birthday to their newest human resource, Chloe Susanna.
Happy birth, he says, born March 21st, 2025.

Speaker 6 Jules Wicker turns 44 today.

Speaker 118 Happy birthday, Jules.

Speaker 176 John is turned.

Speaker 14 Oh, John, that's you. You turned 73 on April 5th.

Speaker 15 That'll be, what is that, Saturday?

Speaker 236 Happy birthday, John.

Speaker 242 Cerventes wishes his niece Leona a very happy birthday, turned 7 tomorrow.

Speaker 118 Cerventis shares your birthday, John, on April 5th.

Speaker 242 Cerventis also wishes his daughter Isla a happy 18th on John's birthday again.

Speaker 6 It's a popular day.

Speaker 216 Marty turns 40 on the 8th, and Devin O'Connell celebrates on the 9th.

Speaker 6 We say happy birthday to all of these birthday boys and girls from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.

Speaker 173 We have two Commodores to welcome into the Commodore ship, which includes a very handsome certificate that you can hang on the wall.

Speaker 38 It's really quite a nice piece of work.

Speaker 228 You can see it. And find out more at noagendarings.com.

Speaker 42 Check out the Commodore tab.

Speaker 108 So we would like to congratulate Commodore Dubs and Commodore J L G S L L C, both of you Commodores of No Agenda.

Speaker 134 Commodores arriving.

Speaker 42 And go to noagendarings.com.

Speaker 134 Give us an address.

Speaker 17 We'll be sure to take care of you.

Speaker 25 Then we have a dame.

Speaker 92 One dame with a cool name. A dame with a cool name.

Speaker 40 You've got a blade here.

Speaker 1 Blade. You've got the dame blade.

Speaker 15 The dame blade. Oh, beautiful.

Speaker 13 This is Tracy Sullivan.

Speaker 217 Step on up, Tracy.

Speaker 6 Thanks to your support of the No Agenda Show in the amount of $1,000 or more.

Speaker 108 Anybody can do it.

Speaker 15 Even people on the Knight or Dame Layaway can become a Knight or a Dame.

Speaker 5 And you are there.

Speaker 145 And I hereby am very proud to pronounce KB as Dame Sally Bananas.

Speaker 6 For you, we've got some

Speaker 24 hookers and blow, rent boys, and Chardonnay.

Speaker 133 That may be more for you.

Speaker 107 We also have Harlots and Howl Dahl, Redheads, and Rise.

Speaker 6 We've got Rubiness, Women, and Rose, Gayson, and Sake, Baca, Vanilla, Bongets, and Urban, Sparkling Cider, and Escorts.

Speaker 10 We've got breast milk and pablum, ginger ale, and gerbils, or or always the mutton and the mead.

Speaker 124 And you, Dame Sally Bananas, can go to noagendarings.com.

Speaker 72 There is your ring waiting for you.

Speaker 14 You need to have your ring size.

Speaker 143 Just use the handy ring sizing guide and send that to us, along with a place where you can send your ring.

Speaker 38 It's a signet ring, so you also get some wax.

Speaker 42 With that, you can imprint your ITM logo and hit him in the mouth in Latin on your important correspondence.

Speaker 138 And as always, it also comes with a certificate of authenticity.

Speaker 38 Thank you for supporting the show.

Speaker 136 Value for value, noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 228 Anybody can support us in some small way.

Speaker 41 You can also do that

Speaker 41 recurring donation, noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 108 We love the meetups.

Speaker 6 We love the meetup reports.

Speaker 164 There's going to be a cool meetup.

Speaker 41 Actually, there's a couple of cool meetups on John's birthday.

Speaker 15 But first, we have a report from a very small meetup, but that doesn't matter.

Speaker 27 A report is a report from the Not for Fools meetup in Knoxville.

Speaker 83 In the morning, Nogenda Nation.

Speaker 67 This is Commodore Baron Bones checking in from Barley's at the Knoxville meetup.

Speaker 13 Only two people showed up, me and someone else.

Speaker 113 We'll hand off the microphone here in just a moment.

Speaker 112 But next time, we'll do a better job of announcing this.

Speaker 25 Hey, could you get me a G-Nobble Sills?

Speaker 12 Hey, it's Adam Curry and the Noble Gendalso.

Speaker 13 Make sure all of you Knoxville producers can make it out.

Speaker 67 Kind of a lonely night.

Speaker 199 Tuesday night.

Speaker 13 I'm a disco jockey. That's right.

Speaker 113 Got to to do it on a school night because I'm busy on the weekends.

Speaker 112 In the morning.

Speaker 243 Adam, John, I want to thank you for your courage. This is Commodore Hog Father coming to you live from Knoxville, Tennessee.

Speaker 92 Wow, two Commodores and they didn't have anybody else.

Speaker 228 Yo, you people missed out in Knoxville.

Speaker 95 And of course, you could have had your server in there.

Speaker 38 Add your servers in your meetup reports.

Speaker 76 They love it.

Speaker 138 The establishments love it. And it's fun to listen to.

Speaker 113 There's a meetup taking place right now.

Speaker 73 The No Agenda New York City meetup at the Perfect Pint West in New York City.

Speaker 27 If you're in New York, go hang out with them.

Speaker 152 Also, the Northern Wake Public Slave Gathering starts in about an hour from now, hoppy endings in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Speaker 76 On Saturday in Japan, Osaka, Japan, Sir Bill of Osaka has organized the Osaka Castle Cherry Blossom Viewing and Amygdala Shrinking meetup at 1:33 Japan time.

Speaker 24 And there it is: the Northern Silicon Valley JCD birthday extravaganza bash, 3:33 p.m.

Speaker 25 Pacific at Pizzeria Violeta, Violetta in Oakland, California.

Speaker 203 Go say hi to John.

Speaker 11 Ladies, make sure you kiss him.

Speaker 1 He loves it.

Speaker 24 That's it for our meetups.

Speaker 113 Many more on the list.

Speaker 42 You can find them all at noagendameetups.com.

Speaker 26 You can search by list, search by area.

Speaker 42 And thank you all for the producers who organize these.

Speaker 38 They are producer-organized, but it's a great way to get some protection because that's what you get with that connection.

Speaker 145 They are your first responders in an emergency.

Speaker 73 Noangendametups.com.

Speaker 113 If you can't find one near you, I recommend you start start one yourself.

Speaker 113 Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

Speaker 113 You to be where you won't be, triggered on hell lame.

Speaker 113 You to be where everybody feels the same.

Speaker 113 It's like a party.

Speaker 42 As we always like to do, we like to select an end of show ISO, which is really nothing more than just propagating the truth that artificial intelligence is only good for ISOs.

Speaker 143 There's no other reason to use it.

Speaker 73 Here's my real ISO.

Speaker 60 I call him a spook.

Speaker 12 That's all I got, and I'm sure yours are much better.

Speaker 49 Oh, that's you could have done.

Speaker 113 No, I'm not even trying.

Speaker 145 I'm not even trying.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm going to stop doing these if you stop trying.

Speaker 42 You have a lozenge in your mouth.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm chewing on it now to get rid of it.

Speaker 85 Okay, let's start with the ISO.

Speaker 1 Uh, this is better.

Speaker 154 Wow, that was better than a dirty Sanchez.

Speaker 51 How can I compete? I can't compete.

Speaker 60 And what you have a dirty mind, John C.

Speaker 228 Dvorak. 73 and still going strong with this dirty mind.

Speaker 189 That was a good one.

Speaker 21 What's the next?

Speaker 1 This is fine.

Speaker 18 Dad gummet.

Speaker 17 Another fine presentation.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 31 that doesn't beat the dirty Sanchez.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you can't use it. Try this one.
The last one's so good.

Speaker 51 That was so good.

Speaker 13 Wow.

Speaker 154 That was better than a dirty Sanchez.

Speaker 13 That's the one, man.

Speaker 60 That's the one.

Speaker 10 That's a winner.

Speaker 113 This is no two ways about it.

Speaker 237 Hey, it is time now for John's illustrious tip of the day.

Speaker 3 Great master you and me.

Speaker 8 Just the tip with JCD

Speaker 132 and sometimes Adam.

Speaker 27 Created by Dana Bernetti.

Speaker 1 Can I do mys first and I'll follow up?

Speaker 42 We were talking about toilet seats on a pre on several.

Speaker 18 We have talked about toilet seats quite a bit on the show, as it turns out.

Speaker 46 We shouldn't.

Speaker 220 Well, there is a

Speaker 38 toilet seat that is an electronic bidet toilet seat.

Speaker 164 It does

Speaker 1 the full wash, the full everything you want.

Speaker 137 It has the heated seat, and it doesn't look dorky.

Speaker 40 It actually looks pretty cool.

Speaker 13 It is the washlet

Speaker 42 C5 round electronic bidet toilet seat.

Speaker 1 Can we get it? Washlet?

Speaker 24 Washlets, the washlet, W-A-S-H-L-E-T, C5

Speaker 145 round electronic bidet toilet seats.

Speaker 92 And it won't bring the bank.

Speaker 112 Now I have a...

Speaker 1 Well, it's not a whole toilet.

Speaker 99 It's just a seat.

Speaker 206 It's just the seat, yes.

Speaker 23 But it's not like some dorky, you know, it looks like a normal seat.

Speaker 58 It has a remote control.

Speaker 1 What's it supposed to look like?

Speaker 103 It has a remote control, and you can control the sprayer.

Speaker 1 It has a remote control so somebody can walk by while you're in the pot. And next thing you know, you're soaked.

Speaker 193 Well, you should use that.

Speaker 113 You keep the remote control in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Well, why does it need to be remote then?

Speaker 23 You're right there.

Speaker 113 Well, because otherwise, you have like a huge handle sticking out of the seat, and that's what makes it look dumb.

Speaker 103 Looks like a geriatric.

Speaker 1 Okay, so there's a bunch of these. There's the Toto, there's the Washlet C5.

Speaker 48 Yeah, that's it. The Toto.

Speaker 1 The Toto is $350 from Amazon, but the Washlet C5, which looks like the exact same thing, a Chinese version

Speaker 1 from AliExpress, is $277.

Speaker 94 Yeah, but

Speaker 14 you're forgetting to to include the 54%

Speaker 33 tariff.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 now's the time before the tariff goes into play.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Walmart has the same seat for $4.93.

Speaker 34 $4.99.

Speaker 112 Well, this is good.

Speaker 53 So there's different places.

Speaker 1 So this is an example of Amazon actually having cheaper than Walmart, which is

Speaker 1 not usually the case.

Speaker 17 Interesting.

Speaker 13 And you can get it in two days from Prime.

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 61 Yeah, I know, but I'm $3.50.

Speaker 10 I'm considering this.

Speaker 1 Why do you get the one from China then? I always say

Speaker 1 exact product.

Speaker 133 If there's anything you use every single day, like shoes, you know,

Speaker 23 mattress, you know, I use our toilet every day.

Speaker 13 I am definitely considering this.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't think the same, this one that's from Amazon is not the China one. It's the same one.

Speaker 92 I didn't say it wasn't.

Speaker 27 I'm just talking about the model. I'm just saying this is what you want.
This looks sleek, it looks modern, and it does the deed.

Speaker 1 It's a good-looking product.

Speaker 138 It's a good-looking product.

Speaker 32 All right.

Speaker 90 You are in a grouchy mood.

Speaker 32 Erg.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I got something that's off-beat.
Okay. Although we can just stay with that one tip.
We don't need two.

Speaker 110 I want your tip.

Speaker 1 This is something JC turned me on to.

Speaker 1 And so I got one and I checked it out. It's kind of cool to have.
I think it's important important to have one around the house.

Speaker 1 A Geiger counter.

Speaker 170 I have a Geiger counter.

Speaker 1 Do you have the little handheld one? It's about the size of a cell phone.

Speaker 115 No, I have a World War II Geiger counter.

Speaker 32 One of those

Speaker 13 yellow

Speaker 13 versions.

Speaker 17 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had one of those. They're too big and clunky.

Speaker 36 Yeah, they're very clunky.

Speaker 1 This is a modern Geiger counter. Of course, it's made in China.
And GQ Electronics, it's actually Seattle.

Speaker 1 It says Seattle, Washington on when it opens, but it's Chinese. Give me a break.
And it's the GQE GMC 800. You can get that.
But there's other ones that are similar. They're all under $100.

Speaker 1 And they have a little sensor on the side of the Geiger tube,

Speaker 1 at least a modern version, I guess, as somebody's miniaturized it. And I think it's handy to have.
And I had checked it out. I have a

Speaker 1 uranium rock.

Speaker 1 amongst my collection.

Speaker 16 Of course you do.

Speaker 15 Doesn't everybody have a uranium rock laying around?

Speaker 30 Next to the ring.

Speaker 13 Next to the uranium rock.

Speaker 53 Next to the cheddar cheese hat?

Speaker 1 It sits sealed in a lead thing.

Speaker 1 And I checked it. Yep.
It could see the uranium. And so it works.

Speaker 1 It's funny because I'm actually slightly radioactive.

Speaker 1 Wow. It seems that humans, I mean, the background on this, the background is around eight.
or just no radiation at all. And then when you're hanging it around a person, it'll go up to 10.

Speaker 1 now if you hit the uranium it skies skyrocket have you tried a banana

Speaker 1 not yet not you mentioned i should try a banana what other things i mean what is the actual uh usefulness of a geiger counter around the house uh to check your water supply maybe to check to see if there's somebody serving you tea you might want to make sure it's not laced with plutonium to try to kill you that's one good use is this a portable device that you can take with you the size of a cell phone it's very small oh you can take it with you to the Russian tea room where they might try to get it.

Speaker 1 It could take you to the Russian tea room. And then you can pull it out.
You could also take it to the fish market to make sure you're not getting radioactive salmon.

Speaker 74 These are all, this is tips within tips.

Speaker 71 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of potential uses. So I just think everyone should have a Geiger counter.
Come on.

Speaker 1 It's 2025.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that's right, everybody.

Speaker 216 Get your Geiger counter.

Speaker 6 Find out more at tipoftheday.net, noagendafun.com.

Speaker 3 Green fast for you and me.

Speaker 8 Just the tip with JCD.

Speaker 8 And sometimes at home.

Speaker 64 Created by Dana Bernetti. Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 41 That's why people stick the whole show out, John, just to hear stuff like that.

Speaker 42 It is 2025.

Speaker 32 Everybody should have a Geiger counter. I cannot disagree.

Speaker 40 Cannot disagree.

Speaker 38 Particularly at the Russian tea room.

Speaker 170 It's very important.

Speaker 114 Let's see.

Speaker 39 We have, oh, bowl after bowl coming up next on the No Agenda stream.

Speaker 13 Stick around in the troll room if you're still there, trollroom.io, or you can just keep listening on your modern podcast app.

Speaker 23 Everything switches over automatically.

Speaker 113 It's a beautiful system.

Speaker 15 From the number one podcast directory in the universe, podcastindex.org.

Speaker 27 End of show mixes. We have new ones.

Speaker 12 Hugh Allison, haven't had one from him in a while.

Speaker 176 Steve Jones of the Jones Brothers Syndicate is back.

Speaker 95 And James Boss.

Speaker 28 All wonderful end of show show mixes.

Speaker 113 And we'll be back on Sunday.

Speaker 68 You will, of course, enjoy the media deconstruction, the news rip-apartage.

Speaker 113 And I will be coming to you then again from the heart of the Texas Hill Country in FEMA region number six.

Speaker 56 In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 1 And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Devork.
See you guys at the Violeta Pizzeria in Oakland next Saturday.

Speaker 15 Happy birthday, John.

Speaker 42 And remember us at knowwitchinthedonations.com.

Speaker 113 Until Sunday, Adios Mofos or Hooi Hooi and Sunday.

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Speaker 2 Can Bobby love it?

Speaker 1 I'm not buying. I'm not buying it.
You're not buying it. I'm not buying the fact that she's

Speaker 57 bullshit.

Speaker 27 Again, not buying it. You're not buying anything.

Speaker 113 Can I sell you anything today?

Speaker 1 For that, no.

Speaker 1 I'm not buying it.

Speaker 11 No, I am, as you would say, not buying it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw the fly.

Speaker 46 I'm not buying it.

Speaker 13 Do you buy it?

Speaker 13 Do you buy it?

Speaker 56 I mean, I'm not quite sure why.

Speaker 71 I'm buying it.

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Speaker 97 I'm not buying that.

Speaker 1 I know what you're doing. Yeah, but I'm not.

Speaker 11 You're not buying it?

Speaker 67 I didn't say that. Oh, I came so close.

Speaker 161 Shut up, Slay.

Speaker 88 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 251 Thank you for holding us down.

Speaker 252 Five years we are a toddler, toddler, and we out in these streets in this world, and we are not going to stop, and we are not gonna stop, and we are not gonna stop, and we are not gonna stop, and we are not gonna stop.

Speaker 93 When you are in the midst of a crisis, and specifically a crisis of democracy, how do you resist?

Speaker 7 When fascism isn't just coming, it's already coming, it's already come, it's already come, it's already come.

Speaker 251 We are going to talk about what people are actually

Speaker 7 doing

Speaker 7 to resist this.

Speaker 7 Drank it old-fashioned, old-fashioned.

Speaker 8 Number two, took a nap,

Speaker 8 took a nap.

Speaker 217 Number three, delighted coworkers with sarcasm.

Speaker 7 Sarcasm. Sarcasm.
Put Black History Month stickers.

Speaker 54 Stickers.

Speaker 6 Stickers on bulletin board and gave out emotional support dumpster fires.

Speaker 13 And last but not least,

Speaker 7 number one, executed a productivity tasking. Number two, identified opportunities to transition to high productivity tasking.
Executivity tasking and productivity tasking. Number productivity tasking.

Speaker 7 Number three. Developed a plan for Doge

Speaker 7 to F off.

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Speaker 132 Putin coughing continuously.

Speaker 229 Continuously.

Speaker 229 Legs shaking uncontrollably.

Speaker 1 Restless leg syndrome, I guess.

Speaker 8 He's gonna die.

Speaker 34 Putin will die soon.

Speaker 235 The Russian leader with puffy face. He's got puffy face.
And making turkey movements.

Speaker 229 Legs shaking uncontrollably.

Speaker 1 The Russian leader with puffy face.

Speaker 229 Putin coughing continuously.

Speaker 125 He's gonna die.

Speaker 1 Restless leg syndrome, I guess.

Speaker 235 The Russian leader with puffy face.

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