1751 - "Talking Toilet"

Speaker 1 Hey, I Can't Do Jack. Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.

Speaker 3 It's Sunday, March 30th, 2025.

Speaker 4 This is your warden in Get My Nation Media Assassination, episode 1751.

Speaker 1 This is no agenda.

Speaker 7 Feeling puffy and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA, region number seven or six.

Speaker 8 Good morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 12 And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're watching Canada.

Speaker 1 I'm John C. Dvorak.

Speaker 6 It's Craig Blotten Buzzkill in the morning.

Speaker 15 So, this morning, one of our church ladies comes up to me and says, Adam, Adam, I have a question for you.

Speaker 18 What's that?

Speaker 19 Why do you always say FEMA region number six?

Speaker 24 And I realized, there's a lot of people, and for some reason, that was in my head, and I said FEMA Region number seven just a minute ago.

Speaker 25 I don't know what I was thinking.

Speaker 27 And I realized that goes back to the Obama days.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 30 Yeah,

Speaker 31 I had to explain it.

Speaker 16 People don't know what we're talking about.

Speaker 32 I think a lot of people don't know what we're talking about.

Speaker 30 That's what I told you.

Speaker 32 Just in the general.

Speaker 33 Most of the stuff, you probably don't realize what we're talking about.

Speaker 8 Exactly.

Speaker 1 No, it just takes stuff for granted.

Speaker 32 We do take stuff for granted.

Speaker 35 Hey, I had a dinner the other night.

Speaker 36 I had a dinner, which was rather interesting, this dinner.

Speaker 1 Well, I guess so, or you wouldn't have brought it up.

Speaker 37 Well, you're always asking me after the show, you got any dinners?

Speaker 8 Got any dinners?

Speaker 40 You got any dinners coming up?

Speaker 1 Yes, anything interesting. Just me out of the house.

Speaker 8 We need some dinner stories.

Speaker 30 This was a good dinner.

Speaker 21 The international arms dealer was there.

Speaker 42 Oh, yes.

Speaker 45 He didn't really have anything new, although the entire fleet of African C-130s is now being outfitted with glass cockpits.

Speaker 45 But also there was the new CIO of the Department of Energy, who used to be on some kind of secret Doge team.

Speaker 1 At the dinner at your house?

Speaker 37 No, it wasn't at our house.

Speaker 41 It was at one one of our friends' house.

Speaker 57 It was like a 20-people dinner.

Speaker 58 We do these dinners.

Speaker 1 No, it's a big dinner.

Speaker 59 It's a hill country get-together.

Speaker 39 Oh, a gathering.

Speaker 61 Yeah, and this is, now we'd never been to these people's home before.

Speaker 63 A nice house, big house, you know what I mean?

Speaker 64 Like big house, like Texas.

Speaker 65 One of those Texas

Speaker 25 Hill Country mansion houses.

Speaker 48 And so the CIO,

Speaker 23 he shuttles between his home here and Washington, D.C.

Speaker 68 comes back for the weekends.

Speaker 24 Now, he's given up.

Speaker 70 I think he's taken a 300% salary cut or something, but he's a patriot.

Speaker 23 And that's why he's doing it.

Speaker 71 And so he's now

Speaker 41 the CIO of the Department of Energy.

Speaker 1 And he says, this place is crazy.

Speaker 72 I said, what do they do with Department of Energy?

Speaker 33 I said, well, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, the Department of Energy owns Area 51. You could have grilled him on that.

Speaker 73 I didn't know that. You should have prepped me.

Speaker 1 I told you. I mentioned it on the show before.

Speaker 74 Because I had completely visited

Speaker 1 Nellis and gotten in Vegas and I've gotten a tour of the place and got some training. And

Speaker 1 if I got to sit in on some training, it wasn't for me.

Speaker 75 If we fly in the saucer, yeah, hold on to this stick.

Speaker 1 And the guy mentioned, he says,

Speaker 1 he just says one of these curiosities, you know, we've got nothing to do with Area 51. It's owned by the Department of Energy.

Speaker 1 I always thought that was interesting.

Speaker 63 Well, good, because now I have something to ask him next time we have a hill country dinner.

Speaker 37 And I said, you know, what do you guys do?

Speaker 11 He said, well, that's a good question.

Speaker 84 What do you do?

Speaker 33 That's a good question.

Speaker 1 Excellent question.

Speaker 72 He was telling me about, you know, because he has a badge. He's got a badge.

Speaker 86 And so he shows up with his badge.

Speaker 45 And they get.

Speaker 1 Jimmy shows up with his badge. He's wearing a badge on his jacket.

Speaker 11 Well, that's what I said.

Speaker 88 I said, I mean, well, a badge to get into the building.

Speaker 30 He has a badge. He's got a badge.

Speaker 1 To get into the house for the.

Speaker 55 No, no, in the Department of Energy, you fool.

Speaker 33 Of course not.

Speaker 1 Oh, so wearing a, one of the, he's wearing one of those badges around his neck or something? Does he know that he's not in Washington or what?

Speaker 86 No, no, I'm saying when he goes there, he was telling, he was relating a story to me.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood.

Speaker 32 Clearly.

Speaker 23 So he, um,

Speaker 44 so he has his badge and he goes to the front entrance and he gets two guys to escort him.

Speaker 17 And he says, what is this about? I said, oh, oh, no, sir.

Speaker 47 You with that badge, you're the equivalent of a two-star admiral here,

Speaker 37 which sounds impressive.

Speaker 70 And so he goes on to tell you.

Speaker 42 Do you have the badge on it? Did you have a chance?

Speaker 94 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 95 It's like a little picture snapshot.

Speaker 88 He says what they mainly do is they run 12 labs.

Speaker 30 Labs.

Speaker 38 Like, what do you mean, labs?

Speaker 8 Well, all the labs.

Speaker 30 What do these labs do?

Speaker 23 Mainly military stuff.

Speaker 90 And it's very unclear what these 12 labs do

Speaker 96 they do stuff that has to do with energy stuff stuff stuff

Speaker 99 yes he says mainly military and he says there was some oh no I forgot the name of it there was some organization some council inside the Department of Energy which I guess is gone now

Speaker 46 and and they could in essence they were made up of military contracting companies and they could determine what stuff the labs would work on

Speaker 101 this is a sweet deal these guys had going on over there.

Speaker 31 So he said, well, we uh we we got in one week $380 million in savings.

Speaker 68 Just chop some stuff up.

Speaker 23 There wasn't, he says, we'll see what happens in week two.

Speaker 69 It was unbelievable.

Speaker 71 But the uh the cool thing about that was just just one of the minor brushes with greatness that I had.

Speaker 37 So this this home where we were at, I had not met these people.

Speaker 78 Well, yeah, I knew them from church, but I had, by the way, these are all church people. These are the people.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're all churches.

Speaker 30 Oh, they're all churchies.

Speaker 105 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 37 No, this is my, this is my people. It's my spiritual family, John.

Speaker 48 And

Speaker 27 so they moved from Houston, and it's a nice house.

Speaker 108 You, you walk up to the house, and the house goes, You are now being recorded.

Speaker 110 Hi, welcome.

Speaker 8 What? He does? Yeah, you walk up to the house.

Speaker 16 Actually, it's the other way around.

Speaker 110 You're being recorded. Welcome.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 110 Hi, you're being recorded.

Speaker 62 So, anyway,

Speaker 9 they had cameras all over the place.

Speaker 84 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 55 I say, so, hey, man, what do you do?

Speaker 111 He says, oh, I sell data centers. Oh,

Speaker 111 oh,

Speaker 112 so who do you sell them to?

Speaker 113 The hyperscalers.

Speaker 17 Oh, I got some questions for you.

Speaker 48 And

Speaker 1 he gets a free email account, that guy.

Speaker 114 The hyperscalers are

Speaker 115 the AI companies.

Speaker 26 That's really who the hyperscalers are.

Speaker 99 So his company builds data centers to sell them to all the AI companies.

Speaker 23 And he was very open with me what's going on and why it comes at the end.

Speaker 51 So I say, hey, is it true?

Speaker 76 Because I heard about it.

Speaker 36 And then CNBC, they were saying it wasn't true.

Speaker 118 Is Microsoft canceling contracts?

Speaker 8 He says, oh, yeah.

Speaker 29 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 52 Plenty of companies are canceling contracts.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 51 I said, well, what is the problem?

Speaker 52 He said, well, there's, you know, there's a little bit of a downturn in the expectation of what they'll actually need for

Speaker 28 AI data centers.

Speaker 17 And he says, the biggest thing is now that the training of the models turns out might be a lot cheaper based upon the deep seek.

Speaker 51 See, all this got down.

Speaker 1 The Chinese. That's what my son tells me.
The Chinese thing has changed the way people are looking at this.

Speaker 24 Well, it gets worse or better in my case.

Speaker 21 So, you know, having your data center out somewhere, like at the oil baron's former ranch that he sold for $15 million, it was worth three just because he had a transformer there and there's no one around.

Speaker 122 And I told him he'll be able to buy that ranch back for

Speaker 53 pennies on the dollar.

Speaker 52 It's going to come true.

Speaker 46 He says the big problem is the training, it's fine.

Speaker 24 You don't need to be anywhere and you can just be out in the middle of nowhere for training models.

Speaker 112 But now that that seems to be slowing down or the expectations are much more limited, he says now people need inference.

Speaker 24 Are you familiar with this term, inference?

Speaker 1 Yeah, inference. There's a thing called an inference engine.

Speaker 70 Yeah, so that means when you need to query the system in real time, he says

Speaker 37 it's no good.

Speaker 73 It can't have latency.

Speaker 126 It can't be too far away.

Speaker 114 You need huge data pipes.

Speaker 23 And he says you can't do that with a Starlink satellite.

Speaker 21 It was fine for training the data, but now when you got to ship that data to end users, he says they're all in the wrong place.

Speaker 62 And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 127 So.

Speaker 91 How much delay?

Speaker 91 What amount of delay is acceptable?

Speaker 1 I use these things. If I have to wait five extra seconds, I don't care.

Speaker 77 Hey, are you going to argue with the guy who's living in the big house from this stuff?

Speaker 1 Or are you going to argue with the- The guy with the big house always waiting for me.

Speaker 110 Don't argue with me. You're being recorded.

Speaker 46 He says, the good news is a lot of Bitcoin miners are stepping up and they're taking over those data centers because we have liquid cooling.

Speaker 129 And so I'm like, Man,

Speaker 112 do you care?

Speaker 82 He says, oh, no, not really.

Speaker 93 Why not?

Speaker 43 Well, we got bought out by KKR and BlackRock

Speaker 62 a while ago.

Speaker 88 So everybody already got their money.

Speaker 37 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 105 They can blow that up at any time. They don't care.
We don't care.

Speaker 43 Everybody got paid.

Speaker 1 Look at nobody cares.

Speaker 8 Have you seen my house?

Speaker 107 Nobody cares.

Speaker 32 Have you seen my house?

Speaker 11 He said, Nobody cares. Nobody cares.

Speaker 8 So I'm thinking, I'm thinking there's trouble on the horizon.

Speaker 107 I said, well, how about quantum?

Speaker 25 That he almost choked in his wine.

Speaker 120 Quantum.

Speaker 8 Quantum.

Speaker 119 Oh, no.

Speaker 120 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Well, anybody who's anybody knows it's what's what.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 37 Well, and so, you know, you can take that to DH Unplugged, maybe.

Speaker 11 Give your fans over there some

Speaker 11 inside intel.

Speaker 8 Well,

Speaker 1 it's not a stock pick. What's used for the...
Well,

Speaker 37 the hyperscalers are a big stock pick.

Speaker 1 No, they're bought by BlackRock and the other.

Speaker 37 No, but he's not the hyperscaler.

Speaker 133 He sells to the hyperscalers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but is he a public company?

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 118 No, but the point, no, you have to understand, the point is

Speaker 99 that when the picks and shovels aren't selling, that's the bottom of the mine.

Speaker 135 Everything up on top is falling apart.

Speaker 85 Take it all the way up to the top, up to Microsoft with their co-pilot.

Speaker 42 Co-pilot. How about Oracle?

Speaker 31 Oh, no, but Dave Jones has used it because, you know, he works.

Speaker 32 I've never used it.

Speaker 1 Now that you mention it, it keeps cropping up. I find it to be a nuisance.

Speaker 31 Well, if you say, yeah, I'll try it, then the first thing it tells me is, oh, all right.

Speaker 30 Well, you've got to have your OneDrive set up.

Speaker 107 I'm like, okay, click close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is classic Microsoft.

Speaker 74 I'm not going to log in.

Speaker 138 I am not going to log in.

Speaker 139 No, Dave Jones works in

Speaker 139 an accountancy firm, CPAs.

Speaker 51 And he says, it never works.

Speaker 21 Nothing works for anybody there.

Speaker 139 They've said, okay, co-pilot, draw me a pie chart.

Speaker 56 Okay, I'm done.

Speaker 73 And there's no pie chart. There's nothing.

Speaker 8 It's just nothing.

Speaker 32 It just tells you it did it.

Speaker 8 It drew it in its mind.

Speaker 39 It's a good bitch.

Speaker 33 It drew it in its mind.

Speaker 8 This is my homework. It drew it in its own imagination.

Speaker 140 It's dumb.

Speaker 47 Well, then, let me get this out of the way since we got on this track just about AI, because I think this warrants a little bit of conversation.

Speaker 134 I think this is a very interesting move.

Speaker 141 Elon Musk just made an announcement on X that XAI has acquired X in an all-stock transaction. It values XAI at $80 billion and X at $33 billion.

Speaker 141 Keep in mind, Musk bought X, when it was then Twitter, for $44 billion back in 2022. For more, we turn to Bloomberg's Max Chaffkin, who covers all things Elon Musk for us.

Speaker 141 So, Max, he suggests that the combined company blends XAI's advanced AI capability and expertise with X's massive reach. Are you surprised by this one?

Speaker 143 Well, in some ways, I'm surprised because we have this late Friday news in which one Elon Musk company is buying another Elon Musk company. Not totally clear how they came up with the valuation.

Speaker 143 In another sense, it's not surprising because these two entities, XAI and X, have been kind of operating like one company.

Speaker 143 So X, which is the, you know, the name for Twitter that Elon Musk gave it, has this chatbot inside of it, Grok. That Grok was created by XAI.
XAI is training off of data from X.

Speaker 143 I know it's a lot of X's there, essentially all your social media data. And it's also seemed like one of Musk's plans to make this Twitter acquisition pay off.

Speaker 143 You know, he paid $44 billion and then promptly lost a lot of the advertising was to kind of pivot to AI. So you did sort of think, how is he going to do this while having XAI as a separate company?

Speaker 143 And I think now we have the answer.

Speaker 43 Well, it was poor reporting by Bloomberg.

Speaker 122 First of all, it was really $45 billion, but they carry over $12 billion in debt.

Speaker 43 This is a great way to keep everybody hanging in there.

Speaker 8 Hey, man,

Speaker 131 your $44 billion valuation just almost doubled.

Speaker 8 Congratulations.

Speaker 134 Now you're a proud owner of XAI stock.

Speaker 1 Nobody has any stock. It's privately held.

Speaker 112 No, of course they have stock.

Speaker 73 It's internal stock. He has like

Speaker 18 40 shareholders.

Speaker 1 40. I thought there was only 10.

Speaker 8 No, no.

Speaker 87 It's a huge list.

Speaker 30 Huge list. That list is public.

Speaker 1 This is the kind of creative accounting that you run into when you.

Speaker 1 This is again an example of Musk. He must have some

Speaker 1 superstars.

Speaker 12 Yeah. He doesn't have to do that.

Speaker 1 A guy that knows how to cook the book.

Speaker 101 He doesn't have time to do this.

Speaker 136 Someone else has to do this.

Speaker 1 No, he doesn't have time to do anything. But he found the guy.

Speaker 84 The guy. Hello, I'm the guy.

Speaker 1 The guy

Speaker 1 who can do this and that.

Speaker 1 He's a juggler. You know, he's going to, look at this.
Watch me act.

Speaker 96 Watch this. Look at this.

Speaker 8 Whoa.

Speaker 106 It just turned into two balls.

Speaker 97 Woo!

Speaker 8 It's amazing.

Speaker 64 It's amazing.

Speaker 1 And so he found a magician and he did his magic. And there you have it.

Speaker 87 But the best part of that report is that

Speaker 147 X AI Grok is trained on X.

Speaker 70 Oh, man.

Speaker 23 How can that be any good down the road?

Speaker 73 It's just going to be slop.

Speaker 148 X is great.

Speaker 131 I mean, it's also learning about those TikTok nut jobs that you always always bring clips from.

Speaker 13 So it's learning all that stuff.

Speaker 11 It's learning.

Speaker 1 It could probably create a TikTok maniac.

Speaker 73 This learning term, and I have one more clip here.

Speaker 72 This learning term is a very tricky term.

Speaker 30 It's not copying stuff.

Speaker 120 No, no.

Speaker 33 It's learning.

Speaker 149 OpenAI is urging the Trump administration to loosen regulations on its industry surrounding one of the most controversial aspects, copyrighted material.

Speaker 149 The tech giant submitted its proposal to the federal government Thursday, pushing the need for speed in AI innovation and to remove guardrails against tech companies, pointing to what it considers dangers posed for AI coming out of Beijing.

Speaker 149 The proposal is part of OpenAI's efforts to influence the Trump administration's AI action plan, a tech strategy report initiated by an executive order from President Donald Trump and being drafted by the Office of Science and Technology Policy, which must be submitted by July.

Speaker 149 OpenAI's push for influence comes after the Trump administration announced the company as part of its Stargate initiative, which gives billions of dollars to big tech for AI infrastructure investment.

Speaker 149 OpenAI, however, is currently in a legal and PR battle with Elon Musk, who owns rival AI startup XAI and is one of the president's top advisors.

Speaker 149 In its proposal, OpenAI expressed frustration with regulations that restrict large language models from learning from copyrighted content and expanded fair use material to train with

Speaker 149 claiming it needs the freedom to innovate in the national interest and a voluntary partnership between the federal government and the private sector instead of overly burdensome state laws.

Speaker 72 This is truly the only danger of these types of people running around in our government.

Speaker 11 Is our president, he has no idea.

Speaker 8 He trusts, he trusts, oh, yeah, it's great.

Speaker 101 AI is going to run the world.

Speaker 124 It's phenomenal.

Speaker 127 It's just what could go wrong?

Speaker 130 And it's crap.

Speaker 136 Microsoft is not a dumb company.

Speaker 118 When they say, yeah, I think we're going to chill out a little bit on this stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's the same thing they do with the internet, I might add.

Speaker 8 Oh, of course.

Speaker 50 Well, at least, well, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 24 But then maybe Trump will say, I invented AI, like Al Gore.

Speaker 114 It's just.

Speaker 72 And now OpenAI wants to broaden fair use.

Speaker 97 Oh, okay.

Speaker 136 Well, that's great. Can I just play songs on the podcast?

Speaker 61 Can I play songs on the podcast now just to broaden up the fair use

Speaker 103 clause, which is already kind of open to interpretation?

Speaker 148 It's like,

Speaker 25 this is going nowhere.

Speaker 133 It really is.

Speaker 1 I know you keep saying that, but it keeps chugging away.

Speaker 72 Well, okay, let's just presume it's really going somewhere. It's really great.

Speaker 25 Allow me to play a clip from our new CDC director, Susan

Speaker 119 Menarez.

Speaker 8 A lot of people are not happy with her.

Speaker 32 No,

Speaker 1 this reminds me of the situation with the, which I don't have any clips of.

Speaker 31 I hear chimes again, John.

Speaker 67 I'm hearing chimes.

Speaker 1 You know, I just, I'm kicking it because I got my feet up on the desk.

Speaker 49 Is it me?

Speaker 75 Is it you?

Speaker 58 Jesus is coming.

Speaker 117 I hear chimes. I can hear you.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 probably for you.

Speaker 1 So I got my feet up on the desk. I'm leaning back in the chase.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I got the chime thing. It's at the foot of my feet.
It's right there. So I can kick it like this.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it makes it ding. But I'm using a highly directional microphone.

Speaker 136 You don't understand.

Speaker 19 Because we have a noise gate.

Speaker 151 If it was there in the background the whole time, people wouldn't notice it that much.

Speaker 73 But now, whenever you talk, you just hear these chimes in the background.

Speaker 30 But

Speaker 96 that doesn't change

Speaker 1 attitude about this. I'm using a highly directional mic.
The chimes are at the back end a mile away. Well, you know.
And the fact that this mic is picking it up, it has to be a reflection.

Speaker 117 You should be using the Curry One microphone. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 69 You can't buy it.

Speaker 101 So, no, never mind.

Speaker 1 It's coming.

Speaker 134 Yeah, it's coming. Yeah.

Speaker 37 So we're going to go back to the CDC director, Susan Monares.

Speaker 111 This is when she was over at DARPA giving a little presentation.

Speaker 101 What we can expect, I presume, from her as director of the Center for Disease Control.

Speaker 155 We think about advancing AI for healthcare in a number of different facets. So, some are direct to the patients.

Speaker 155 What tools and what capabilities can we develop to help them really understand where they are in their healthcare journey?

Speaker 93 Oh, my healthcare journey.

Speaker 1 My healthcare journey.

Speaker 155 Empower them to make great decisions. We also think about AI from the provider side.
So, how can we help providers How can we better understand their patients?

Speaker 106 What happened to doctors?

Speaker 89 It's just providers.

Speaker 37 It's just some stuff.

Speaker 1 That's because a lot of the doctors have been pushed aside from

Speaker 1 these nurses and

Speaker 1 these other.

Speaker 1 There's a second one.

Speaker 51 Yeah,

Speaker 157 injectors.

Speaker 1 Nurse practitioner. There's another thing that says assistance or something or other they use.

Speaker 19 It's just dudes named Ben who press a button on the AI button.

Speaker 91 Well, they don't know anything.

Speaker 116 Well, they know how to press the button on the AI button.

Speaker 155 Can we help providers optimize their time within the health system as they're seeing patients, as they're trying to make complex decisions to create the conditions for improved patient health outcomes?

Speaker 89 Improve patient health outcomes.

Speaker 37 How about I don't die?

Speaker 11 Is that an outcome I can choose that option, please?

Speaker 155 We also think about AI from the defensive side. So we understand that there is a great vulnerability.

Speaker 69 The defensive side.

Speaker 89 It's the defensive side.

Speaker 87 What? What? What?

Speaker 1 What does that even mean?

Speaker 64 Well, let's see if she explains it.

Speaker 155 We also think about AI from the defensive side. So we understand that there is a great vulnerability within the health ecosystem.

Speaker 155 More and more is coming online in the Internet of Things that are going to have an incredibly positive effect.

Speaker 97 All she does is buzzwords, the Internet of Things.

Speaker 11 That's so totally different.

Speaker 1 We tired this woman,

Speaker 16 RFK Jr.

Speaker 1 Well, he's got his head up his ass if he gave her a job.

Speaker 155 But we also know it creates vulnerabilities.

Speaker 155 And so we're using that same AI technology to help defend against those vulnerabilities, to anticipate the negative implications that are happening within the health systems.

Speaker 89 Negative implications, like you died.

Speaker 155 And to try to stay ahead of it. Art the Age takes on the entirety of the health ecosystem.

Speaker 1 It's not just a buzzword machine.

Speaker 30 Yeah, internet of buzzwords.

Speaker 8 Nothing.

Speaker 70 No, it's the internet of buzzwords.

Speaker 114 She's perfect.

Speaker 155 Try to stay ahead of it. Art the Age takes on the entirety of the health ecosystem.

Speaker 155 It's not just

Speaker 11 the entirety of it.

Speaker 155 Biomedical research. It's not just resilient systems.
It's not just investing in the tech of the future. It is all of those.

Speaker 148 And what we do is we actually go out.

Speaker 97 It's all of those.

Speaker 107 It gets better and better.

Speaker 155 It is all of those. And what we do is we actually go out and we seek these incredible innovators.
We call them our program managers.

Speaker 55 Program managers.

Speaker 90 Now there's a new

Speaker 1 incredible innovators.

Speaker 19 Yes, the program managers.

Speaker 1 Not just an innovator, but they're

Speaker 39 incredible,

Speaker 69 incredible innovators.

Speaker 104 They're great.

Speaker 155 We actually go out and we seek these incredible innovators. We call them our program managers.

Speaker 77 We call them our program managers.

Speaker 155 And they come to us and they say, you know, here are the big problems that we're seeing in the health ecosystem space.

Speaker 106 The health ecosystem space.

Speaker 1 The health ecosystem space.

Speaker 8 Health?

Speaker 14 The HESS.

Speaker 14 Hold on a second.

Speaker 52 What's the acronym for that?

Speaker 102 Health ecosystem.

Speaker 69 HESS. That's not a good name.

Speaker 155 We will fund anything across the health ecosystem so long as it helps further our mission, which is to improve health outcomes for everyone.

Speaker 136 Oh, everybody, your health outcomes are going to improve.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 62 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 What a crock of crap that is.

Speaker 42 I knew you'd love it.

Speaker 33 It's great.

Speaker 8 It's great.

Speaker 32 This is the hold on us.

Speaker 1 You played this as some sort of slam against AI.

Speaker 1 She's got nothing to do with any of it. Well, about the hype of it, it is murmuring about nothing.

Speaker 51 The problem is, these types of people believe this stuff.

Speaker 77 I mean, look, Queen Ursula is already talking about investing in quantum.

Speaker 43 Oh, we need to have quantum systems.

Speaker 1 You make me laugh.

Speaker 88 She's taking European money and

Speaker 88 blowing it away.

Speaker 96 Burning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be one way of doing it.

Speaker 19 I guarantee you this Susan Jamoke should be talking about quantum soon.

Speaker 106 I can put it in the red book.

Speaker 106 Quantum.

Speaker 1 I don't have to put it in the book. You're right.

Speaker 96 Right now, you're right.

Speaker 86 And where's Larry Ellison?

Speaker 37 He's Mr.

Speaker 162 Healthcare.

Speaker 73 He should be talking about, oh, you know, we have to be prepared for COVID-19.

Speaker 1 He's almost died.

Speaker 1 I mean, the guy's, you know, accident prone, so he's like very health-oriented.

Speaker 95 Oh, yeah, he crashed his plane and stuff, doesn't he?

Speaker 1 Well, no, that he's gotten into a surfing wreck, I think.

Speaker 1 He's out in the oceans all the time. And he's just a couple of, he has had issues.

Speaker 140 Well, speaking of wrecks, and then I'll get off the Elon stuff.

Speaker 89 This report made me think of something that I remember as a kid.

Speaker 163 Now, the lithium-ion batteries, like the ones in EVs, are completely changing how fire departments are responding to these emergencies.

Speaker 163 I talked to an expert who is traveling all over the country training fire departments.

Speaker 164 I think that this is probably one of the, in the fire service career, you know, decades, hundreds of years, this is probably the most challenging time for the fire service in history.

Speaker 166 And it has barely even, we've barely touched it at this point.

Speaker 163 So while these batteries have more power and they're lasting longer, the big concern is the design of the car and then if that battery is damaged in a thing like a crash.

Speaker 163 These fires then end up burning faster and hotter as much as 2,000 degrees. So firefighters are telling me that their top priority is pulling people out of the car.

Speaker 163 Then it can take on average 5,000 gallons of water to put out one of these car fires versus 500 gallons for non-EV cars. I asked Aurora Fire where you get that kind of water.

Speaker 163 Fire trucks typically carry 500 gallons and if you're not near a hydrant, let's say you're in the middle of the highway or somewhere rural, that could mean rotating out engines or bringing in portable water.

Speaker 163 And if there's one thing firefighters hope you take away from this is that a lot of EV car doors are electric and that can go out during a fire and then you are stuck inside.

Speaker 163 There's actually a manual way to open up those car doors. You just have to know where it is.

Speaker 163 That information would be in your emergency guides.

Speaker 168 Yeah, ask Mitch McConnell's sister.

Speaker 18 I don't.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the one thing about these cars I don't quite understand is why

Speaker 1 do they have to make it so everything's electrified? I mean, a mechanical door opener is.

Speaker 1 It seems more logic, it's so practical because if the electricity goes out, you can't get out of the car. Oh, yeah, there's some mechanism, but nobody knows how to use it.

Speaker 113 I think it's pure cost.

Speaker 157 I mean, what is the beauty of the electric vehicle is that it has

Speaker 137 far less moving parts. You just slap some of the things that are going to be a lot more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, moving parts do cost more, but how much more does it cost?

Speaker 106 Well, so that's the the question.

Speaker 39 Five bucks, five bucks,

Speaker 30 this is the question.

Speaker 112 What is the cost of safety?

Speaker 23 So now we all know, without a doubt, you crash your electric vehicle, you have a chance that not only will your vehicle ignite at 2,000 degrees, it can't be put out easily, and they'll have to have the jaws of life because you can't figure out how to open up your door.

Speaker 82 And it reminded me of this.

Speaker 173 In the 1970s, Ford's Pinto had a major defect. The gas tank was prone to explode in rear-end collisions.

Speaker 173 What made this controversial wasn't just the flaw itself, but Ford's internal cost-benefit analysis that revealed that it would be cheaper to pay off lawsuits than to fix the design, resulting in an estimated number of 180 deaths.

Speaker 45 Do you think they've done the cost-benefit analysis of the battery igniting in electric vehicles?

Speaker 1 I think all these car companies, all they do is cost-benefit analysis. I think.
I don't know where you got that old clip.

Speaker 122 I had to go look for one.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll bet you did. I had to search.
I had to search. But yeah, they do cost-benefit analysis on everything.
That's probably why they don't have the mechanical door opener.

Speaker 75 Right.

Speaker 1 Although it is kind of cool, the thing comes out and everyone thinks everything's cool, but it's still dumb.

Speaker 8 Yeah, well, it's not cool.

Speaker 23 It's literally not cool if you're frying alive inside.

Speaker 37 But that was such a big deal.

Speaker 32 You just have one of those ping,

Speaker 1 you know, that you have these things.

Speaker 23 Yeah, the hammer, the hammer pin.

Speaker 1 A little bitty hammer with a, with a piece of, it's got a little tip on it that's a that's with

Speaker 66 a razor blade to cut your uh

Speaker 1 your seat belt diamond tip yes

Speaker 24 it's true it does that too because that because that's not going to unlatch either but but you're you're moving beyond the point

Speaker 90 how can this was a huge deal in the 70s this was a big deal my grandmother had a pinto and he's like uh

Speaker 8 you know

Speaker 1 it wasn't that they were blowing up left and right but it did happen but it was the the as the clip just explained it was the fact that they said, well, it's cheaper just to solve the lawsuits than to fix the problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm sure it is with these with these cars. Now, the 50,000 gallon thing, what bothers me.
5,000, not 50, 5,000. Or 5,000 as opposed to 500.
Yeah. And it was a factor there of 10.
Yeah. 10.
So

Speaker 1 is that if somebody, and I don't understand why this can't be done chemically, because it's a chemical reaction.

Speaker 75 Flour.

Speaker 78 I hear flour is a good way to put out fires.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's good on this. There's got to be some chemistry that you can employ that would put this fire out.

Speaker 139 There has to be.

Speaker 95 I don't think so.

Speaker 101 These things are just, these are nuclear generators.

Speaker 1 This is a lithium fire. This is like sodium does the same thing.

Speaker 107 Well, let's ask Grok.

Speaker 1 I don't think Grok would know because I don't think it's in the literature.

Speaker 94 What chemical compounds can extinguish

Speaker 177 a lithium lithium ion

Speaker 133 battery fire.

Speaker 43 Answer the question. Go!

Speaker 43 Well, nothing.

Speaker 8 Oh, wait.

Speaker 115 Best compounds to extinguish lithium-ion battery fires, lith-X,

Speaker 47 which is a graphite-based powder.

Speaker 8 Lith X?

Speaker 32 Never heard of it. Never heard of it.

Speaker 31 I think Grok is making something up.

Speaker 8 Hey, it's another X product, Lith X.

Speaker 32 It's got X in in it.

Speaker 1 Must be something.

Speaker 36 Class D dry powder extinguishers, which often contain sodium chloride or copper-based powders,

Speaker 31 fire suppressant gels,

Speaker 19 or tetrapotassium pyrophosphate.

Speaker 1 Well, now you're talking that now sounds like something that would do something.

Speaker 35 TKPP is what they call it.

Speaker 79 Tetrapotassium

Speaker 114 pyrophosphate.

Speaker 17 Hmm. What not to use? Water.

Speaker 22 CO2 or halon.

Speaker 119 Halon, definitely not halon.

Speaker 17 Anyway.

Speaker 1 Well, the problem with water is that it, you know, like, for example, sodium, and they've talked about sodium batteries too, which are just explosive,

Speaker 1 is that sodium, when it, it comes, when metallic sodium comes in contact with water, it begins to

Speaker 1 form hydrogen. It breaks the water down into hydrogen and oxygen, and then they catch on fire.
Yeah, it explodes.

Speaker 86 Nice.

Speaker 1 And that's a lot of kids used to do in certain colleges and high schools when we had labs.

Speaker 58 Certain colleges. Well,

Speaker 1 some jerk would grab a chunk of sodium if he could get a hold of it and throw it down the toilet and flush it. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 31 Like a cherry bomb plus.

Speaker 1 So somewhere down the line,

Speaker 1 the thing would explode and blow up the sewer.

Speaker 1 Not a good idea. No.

Speaker 1 Anyway. Another reason to keep kids away from chemistry.

Speaker 73 Yeah, keep them away from chemistry and don't drive these battery cars.

Speaker 127 They just don't seem like safe products.

Speaker 17 I don't care what they tell me.

Speaker 115 It's not a safe product.

Speaker 19 Coming in over the transom this morning from your gal with the manhands.

Speaker 49 No, is Welker the Manhands lady?

Speaker 12 Yeah, Welker.

Speaker 16 Welker.

Speaker 92 Welcome to the Manhands.

Speaker 16 She had President Trump called her personally this morning, called her,

Speaker 106 and told her to tell America the following.

Speaker 180 Just hours ago, President Trump called me to tell me he is, quote, pissed off with Russia's President Putin and threatened to impose secondary tariffs on Russia's oil.

Speaker 180 Quote: If Russia and I are unable to make a deal on stopping the bloodshed in Ukraine, and if I think it was Russia's fault, which it might not be, but if I think it was Russia's fault, I am going to put secondary tariffs on all oil coming out of Russia.

Speaker 180 Mr. Trump said 25% tariffs on Russian oil could happen any moment and told me he plans to speak with President Putin this week.

Speaker 180 The president told me, quote, I was very angry, pissed off when Putin started getting into the election.

Speaker 97 She likes saying that.

Speaker 89 She likes saying it.

Speaker 1 This is the only because it's a quote.

Speaker 1 She would never say it normally on TV because she's not like, you know, a cussing Democrat necessarily. She's a Democrat, but not a cussing Democrat.

Speaker 1 But now this gives her the excuse.

Speaker 8 I get to like shithole countries.

Speaker 89 It's perfect. I get to say pissed off.

Speaker 180 The president told me, quote, I was very angry, pissed off when Putin started getting into Zelensky's credibility and started talking about new leadership in Ukraine.

Speaker 8 Wait, but wait, there's more.

Speaker 180 On Iran, the president said he's also considering secondary tariffs if Iran doesn't agree to a nuclear deal. Quote, if they don't make a deal, there will be bombing.

Speaker 180 And it will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before.

Speaker 1 Bomb them, bomb them, and bomb them again. Woo, baby.

Speaker 82 President mad, mad.

Speaker 1 He's mad.

Speaker 69 You know why?

Speaker 51 He looks hungry, man.

Speaker 8 He's lost a lot of weight.

Speaker 171 Have you noticed this?

Speaker 1 No, I have not.

Speaker 37 Oh, he must have dropped 25 pounds at least.

Speaker 170 At least.

Speaker 32 I wonder why.

Speaker 8 Bobby?

Speaker 12 Bobby is probably

Speaker 12 not a bad guy.

Speaker 32 Bobby is like, hey, hey, Donald, Mr.

Speaker 21 President, you're a fat slob.

Speaker 69 You really, this is not good.

Speaker 73 The president sets the tone.

Speaker 89 So everybody's cussing.

Speaker 49 That's good. Good work, Mr.
President.

Speaker 1 You got everyone cussing. You got that right.

Speaker 12 You got everyone cussing.

Speaker 30 You got Welker is saying pissed off.

Speaker 11 That's good.

Speaker 8 That's good.

Speaker 112 You got everyone shaking in their boots.

Speaker 8 You're going to bomb the Iranians like they've never been bombed before.

Speaker 162 But you got to get America healthy again. Aha.

Speaker 68 You got to get America healthy again.

Speaker 17 You've got to lose some weight.

Speaker 1 You know, you might be right. Because Trump, I think, is amenable to the idea that he sets the moral tone.

Speaker 1 And it's more than a moral tone. I mean, it's a moral tone, basically, but it's also the, you know, like

Speaker 1 JFK is the one who initiated the five-mile hike. Everyone should go on a five-mile hike.
And everyone was going on five-mile hikes for some reason.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes.

Speaker 80 And

Speaker 112 the president looks happier for it.

Speaker 133 His face looks good.

Speaker 164 It looks, you know, he probably has much less inflammation.

Speaker 17 He looks good.

Speaker 148 Yes, he's

Speaker 51 his triglutarites or whatever.

Speaker 114 I'm sure they're all down.

Speaker 136 His numbers are down.

Speaker 106 And America loves this president.

Speaker 64 This is CNN.

Speaker 182 He's basically more popular than he was at any point in term number one, and more popular than he was when he won election back in November of 2024. What are we talking about?

Speaker 182 His net favorable rating right now comes in at minus four points.

Speaker 182 Compare that to where he was when he won in November of 2024 when he was at minus seven points, or March of 2017 when he was at minus 10 points.

Speaker 182 So when you compare Trump against himself, he's actually closer to the apex than he is to the bottom of the trough.

Speaker 182 And of course, that's so important because Donald Trump, historically speaking, has had his number underestimated. This is great.

Speaker 76 I love it. He's closer to that.

Speaker 1 He comes on CNN all the time. He's jumping around and he's going nuts.

Speaker 84 He's good.

Speaker 107 He's closer to the apex than the bottom of the trough.

Speaker 88 Nice.

Speaker 40 So here's an ABC report on the H since we're talking about Bobby.

Speaker 47 The HHS cuts, job cuts.

Speaker 123 So I'll play this report and then after that, out of the horse's mouth himself on the Kid Cuomo show.

Speaker 8 So listen to this report.

Speaker 184 Tonight, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F.

Speaker 184 Kennedy Jr., announcing a massive overhaul of the agency that oversees America's health, supervises Medicare and Medicaid, and monitors food and drug safety.

Speaker 184 It includes cutting 20,000 people from the department, a quarter of its workforce.

Speaker 185 This will be a painful period for HHS as we downsize from 82,000 full-time employees to around 62,000.

Speaker 166 I want to promise you now that we're going to do more with less.

Speaker 5 But experts, including Dr. Richard Besser, former actor.

Speaker 19 Did you notice there was a little edit there?

Speaker 184 Director of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and says you can't cut that many jobs without people in America, quote, suffering.

Speaker 145 I worry that in this drive to cut positions and save money, critical programs that impact on people's lives are going to be cut as well.

Speaker 184 Kennedy also plans to consolidate.

Speaker 18 Hold on a second.

Speaker 1 The critical programs aren't the problem. No, no, but this is what it's affecting people's lives.
They're talking about 20,000 people laid off.

Speaker 1 This is a jobs program that's kind of overlooked in all this.

Speaker 30 No, you're correct.

Speaker 1 It's a form of welfare.

Speaker 130 What the media has been doing, the M5EV has been continuously getting people on who are, if not outright saying it, insinuating, your Medicare is going to get cut, your Medicaid is going to get cut, your Social Security, you might as well kiss your check goodbye.

Speaker 37 Trump's in town, it's Musk, scratch a Tesla.

Speaker 145 Critical programs that impact on people's lives are going to be cut as well.

Speaker 184 Kennedy also plans to consolidate agencies within HHS.

Speaker 166 We're going to eliminate an entire alphabet soup of departments and agencies while preserving their core functions by merging them into into a new organization called the Administration for a Healthy America, or AHA.

Speaker 184 The FDA will lose 3,500

Speaker 184 employees, and the CDC will lose 2,400. That agency also narrowing its scope to focus on preparing for and responding to epidemics and outbreaks.

Speaker 184 For decades, the agency has handled so much more, monitoring nationwide health trends, including chronic diseases, firearm injuries, and overdose deaths.

Speaker 73 So, this is all just negative spin, all negative spin, and they've even cut out the part where he says the following on the Kid Cuomo show.

Speaker 186 We're not going to cut services. We're not going to cut Medicaid.

Speaker 176 We're not going to cut Medicare.

Speaker 186 We're going to continue. We're going to provide services, but more efficiently.
We have thanks to Elon. And by the way, what Elon did with our agency is going to help our agency.

Speaker 186 So I'm very grateful to him for he came in for the first time with a real org chart for the agency. The agency org chart when I arrived was incomprehensible.
There was no chain of command.

Speaker 186 There were people operating in all these different silos and fiefdoms. And they were so territorial and so self-serving that they were selling patient information to each other.

Speaker 186 So I tried to get the CMS patient information, which belongs to the American people and belongs to HHS.

Speaker 186 And the sub-agencies said we have to buy it from them. And it doesn't make any sense.
There are sub-agencies that refuse to give us patient data. This is depersonalized data.

Speaker 186 And we need to make American healthy again.

Speaker 186 What Elon is doing is he's using AI to improve health, to improve efficiency, to improve delivery.

Speaker 120 Uh-oh, delivery.

Speaker 186 And he had a bunch of geniuses come over to the department, create an org chart that worked and consolidate. We have many divisions that are doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 186 We need to consolidate them and give them a sense of mission to invite invite them to participate in making our country healthier again.

Speaker 186 And I think that's why we're getting, you know, a very, very strong, enthusiastic reaction from people within the agency.

Speaker 114 Yeah.

Speaker 85 Well, so they didn't really tell you all that.

Speaker 28 You had to go to Newsmax to get that information.

Speaker 1 That wasn't Newsmax.

Speaker 32 Where was that was NewsNation?

Speaker 92 Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 21 It's right next to it on channel 735.

Speaker 1 It's not, yeah, it's a completely different operation.

Speaker 1 News Nation is done by the Chicago Tribune. Right.
Newsmax is done by some right-wingers.

Speaker 23 But I think they still have the same amount of viewership.

Speaker 26 I'm just guessing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, none. Yeah.

Speaker 86 So, what I thought was a very interesting piece, and it showed that it was good because you really, I've been monitoring since Friday, not a single

Speaker 103 M5M, like an MSNBC, CNN, or any of these outfits have used any clips to say, these guys

Speaker 19 suck. They're no good.

Speaker 21 And that was the executive Doge team on Brett Baer.

Speaker 116 Did you have a chance to watch that?

Speaker 1 That was dynamite.

Speaker 21 I have a couple of short clips if you want to hear some.

Speaker 1 I'd love to. I mean, I have to say that it's this is another example of Musk's real talent.
Yeah. Which is picking guys like this.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 1 He just had a bunch of heavy hitters.

Speaker 10 He had like the co-founder of Airbnb, a billionaire, you know, one guy, CFO for five public companies or something.

Speaker 22 All these, yeah, heavy hitters.

Speaker 8 And they're all sitting there and like, oh, yeah, well, this is what we do.

Speaker 1 And did you notice the milieu

Speaker 1 insofar as at least two of them on the group talk just like must

Speaker 1 that fast patter and kind of

Speaker 1 this weird milieu style that is that's

Speaker 1 peculiar to that group.

Speaker 52 Well, I hear they all go out back and smoke cigars from time to time.

Speaker 122 I can't divulge where I heard that from, but I believe that to be true.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Of course, that's what you do.

Speaker 1 Hey, boys of Bonos.

Speaker 8 Let's crack a Cohiba.

Speaker 33 Woo!

Speaker 188 We routinely encounter wastes of a billion dollars or more, casually.

Speaker 187 You know, for example, like the sim the simple survey that was

Speaker 187 literally a 10-question survey that you could do with SurveyMonkey costs about $10,000, was

Speaker 8 The government was being charged almost $1 billion for that.

Speaker 187 For just a survey. A billion dollars for a simple online survey.
Do you like the national park? And then there appeared to be no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey.

Speaker 189 So the survey would just go into nothing.

Speaker 109 It was like insane.

Speaker 99 Now, later in there,

Speaker 103 one of his lieutenants said, well, it was $860 million.

Speaker 104 Which I thought was, that's not quite a billion dollars.

Speaker 122 That was a little reckless.

Speaker 1 Well, if you listen to him carefully, I listened to that again. Musk says almost a billion.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 8 says a billion.

Speaker 114 Yeah, I know, almost a billion.

Speaker 32 Well, it's almost a billion.

Speaker 8 Almost a billion.

Speaker 106 Well, that's a little over half

Speaker 1 calculations. I mean, the guy's worth 300 billion, so it's like almost a billion, not quite.

Speaker 89 Oh, I dropped a billion.

Speaker 123 Oh, whatever.

Speaker 1 Who cares?

Speaker 137 So here is the big

Speaker 72 social security fraud, which rings very true.

Speaker 165 The two improvements that we're trying to make to Social Security are helping people that legitimately get benefits, protect them from fraud that they experience every day on a routine basis, and also make the experience better.

Speaker 56 And I'll give you one example:

Speaker 134 This is one of those milieu guys.

Speaker 26 This was the guy sitting next to her.

Speaker 165 At Social Security, one of the first things we learned is that they get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct deposit information.

Speaker 165 So when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security.

Speaker 165 We learned 40% of the phone calls that they get are from fraudsters.

Speaker 160 40%.

Speaker 160 That's right.

Speaker 82 Almost half.

Speaker 187 Yes, and they steal people's social security is what happens.

Speaker 187 They call in, they say they claim to be a retiree,

Speaker 193 then

Speaker 187 they convince the social security person on the phone to change

Speaker 187 where the money is flowing. It actually goes to some fraudster.

Speaker 8 This is happening all day, every day.

Speaker 187 And then somebody doesn't receive their social security is because of all the fraud loopholes in the social security system.

Speaker 110 Now, I want to believe this, but I know that Tina just recently changed her social security bank information, and she could not make a phone call.

Speaker 31 So maybe, I mean, she hadn't tried it previously, of course, and she had to do it online, and they said it would take two months,

Speaker 135 which seems like a long time.

Speaker 16 But I can, if you indeed can call in, then I'm sure that's probably true.

Speaker 194 So let's go back to HA.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're getting the fraudsters on the phone. This is a situation that, you know, why don't we get to the heart of this?

Speaker 1 You can complain about this. Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 these fraudsters are calling this way and that way.

Speaker 1 This whole, all these phone scams, whether they're fraudsters stealing somebody's social security or they're trying to get me to buy some dumb thing that doesn't exist or get my bank account number, I just don't get it why we can't put a stop to this once and for all.

Speaker 1 Oh, I can tell you.

Speaker 1 I know, I know, this and that. There's this

Speaker 94 system the way it's set up.

Speaker 138 No, you You don't know.

Speaker 41 You can jump all over me and say, I know, but you don't know.

Speaker 69 You know nothing.

Speaker 1 I know something.

Speaker 195 Well, you know a little.

Speaker 8 What I was going to say is what will come out of Musk's mouth will be, there's no other way we all have to have a digital ID.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, there's that. Well, that doesn't surprise me you'd say that.

Speaker 115 Or at least an X account.

Speaker 19 If everybody gets an X account, we'll make sure that you'll never be defrauded again.

Speaker 20 I don't see any other way to do it.

Speaker 10 You can clone phone numbers, so that's easy.

Speaker 94 Online, that's your brain.

Speaker 1 That's the problem right there. That's the

Speaker 1 cloning phone numbers is easy. You just said it.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that should not be the case.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't have to have a digital ID.

Speaker 1 It should be impossible to clone phone numbers. That's the kicker.

Speaker 85 You're going to get a digital ID.

Speaker 1 It's not going to help.

Speaker 16 No, but.

Speaker 1 I'll have a digital ID, and then some fraudster will call me up with a phony digital ID or whatever. It doesn't make any difference.

Speaker 1 They're going to clone a phone number they don't have. The next thing you know, they're going to be trying to scam me.
How about this?

Speaker 11 You just have to show up in person at your office and you get cash.

Speaker 1 Nobody will do that.

Speaker 1 Overday. I'm telling you, they've got to do something.
It's the phone system at

Speaker 1 writ large. Let's use that term.
There you go. Writ large.

Speaker 1 The phone system itself is flawed.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but so but the internet's any better?

Speaker 8 A web browser?

Speaker 1 I'm worried about the phone right now. Okay.

Speaker 8 Well, you don't even use a phone.

Speaker 1 Well, that's beside the point.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 27 Let's go to HHS.

Speaker 191 Another example at NIH is today they have 27 different centers. They got created over time by Congress, and they're typically by disease state or body system.

Speaker 191 There's 700 different IT systems today at NIH.

Speaker 118 700 different IT systems.

Speaker 189 IT software systems.

Speaker 69 They can't speak to each other. So they don't talk to one another.

Speaker 191 They have 27 different CIOs.

Speaker 30 And so when you you think about making great medical discoveries, you have to connect the data.

Speaker 69 Time out, timeout. You said that.

Speaker 160 So 27 different chief information officers.

Speaker 18 Correct, correct.

Speaker 8 And most of them are non-technical.

Speaker 74 So there's a lot there.

Speaker 18 There's a lot of opportunity.

Speaker 191 It will make science better, not worse.

Speaker 190 All right.

Speaker 40 They had similar complaints about the IRS.

Speaker 192 Brad mentioned 27 CIOs. If you had kept going with Brad, he probably would talk about the communications office.
And you've got 40 distinct communications offices in HHS.

Speaker 123 I love that.

Speaker 199 Communications offices, that's marketing departments.

Speaker 110 That's wasted.

Speaker 188 40?

Speaker 8 Yeah, and that's not unusual, by the way.

Speaker 39 Multiple offices like that.

Speaker 8 That's not making anyone healthy.

Speaker 192 This is not about the employees there. There's many, many hardworking, well-meaning people who took these jobs.

Speaker 192 These jobs were out there, they applied for them, they took them, they're doing what's there. It's just that they're duplicating the effort of 40 offices.

Speaker 198 So you've got that, you've got overstaffing.

Speaker 192 A good example of overstaffing would be the IRS has got 1,400 people who are dedicated to provisioning laptops and cell phones.

Speaker 192 So if you join the IRS, you get a laptop and a cell phone, you're provisioned.

Speaker 159 So if each of those IRS officers or employees provisioned two employees per day, you could provision the entire IRS in a little more than a month.

Speaker 82 Yeah.

Speaker 17 That's always great.

Speaker 105 That's great.

Speaker 92 And then this is one that I would look at in my own company when we had 700 employees.

Speaker 30 This is an easy one.

Speaker 196 And just the one that just is in my head right now, which is a fairly mundane one, but I think is very illustrative, is credit cards.

Speaker 201 There are in the federal government

Speaker 196 around 4.6 million credit cards for around 2.3 to 2.4 million employees.

Speaker 201 This doesn't make sense.

Speaker 201 And so one of the things all of the teams have worked on is we've worked for the agencies and said,

Speaker 31 do you need all of these credit cards?

Speaker 196 Are they being used?

Speaker 188 Can you tell us physically where they are?

Speaker 8 I hope they're getting frequent flyers.

Speaker 188 Actually, on a different note, the rewards program the federal government has is actually not very good because that's a whole other negotiation. All right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 196 But so far the teams have worked together and they've reduced it from 4.6 million to 4.3 million.

Speaker 188 So

Speaker 8 we're taking it easy.

Speaker 189 But clearly there should not be, you know, more there should not be more credit cards than there are people.

Speaker 125 Yeah, oh, man.

Speaker 79 You know, in Think New Ideas, that was the company I mentioned with 700 people.

Speaker 19 We had one guy with one credit card doing all the travel.

Speaker 138 And

Speaker 102 we started noticing that his wife had nice jewelry.

Speaker 119 And

Speaker 14 they had all kinds of cool gadgets at home, brand new vacuum cleaners.

Speaker 70 And turns out he was taking all of the rewards points and cashing them in for himself.

Speaker 104 It was a classic.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I think a lot of it, I think that happens everywhere.

Speaker 30 I bet it's happening in government.

Speaker 43 They're guffawing about the rewards program. I'll bet you there's lots of people like, oops.

Speaker 19 Oh, boy, I was taking those points.

Speaker 8 Getting free flights everywhere.

Speaker 1 I think that's what you would do. If you had the opportunity, you have this card, you're centralized something or other.
So you're doing a lot of charging.

Speaker 1 And reward points are building up, not for the company, but for you,

Speaker 187 for you, yes yeah what would you do what would anyone do and here's my final pitch for digital ID the minute you pop out of the womb people the ways that the government is defrauded is that the computer systems don't talk to each other so if the computer systems systems don't talk to each other then it's you you can you can exploit that gap and forces exploit that exploit that gap take advantage um if for example there were over three hundred million dollars of small business administration loans that has been given out to people under the age of 11.

Speaker 196 Blockchain to add to is 300 million under the age of 11 and over 300 million to over the age of 120.

Speaker 69 Definitely

Speaker 69 loans, correct? Yes.

Speaker 187 The oldest American is 114. So it's safe to say if their age is 115 or above,

Speaker 187 they're fake.

Speaker 187 Well, they should be in the Guinness Brooklyn World Records.

Speaker 187 And we should not be giving out loans to babies.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 187 the youngest recipient of a small business administration loan loan is a nine-month-year-old, which is a very percocious baby we're talking about here.

Speaker 187 So, obviously, it was just fraudulent.

Speaker 187 And they do terrible things. They actually will see that a kid's been born.
They will steal that kid's social security number and then take out a loan and leave that kid with a bad credit rating.

Speaker 187 There's literally a baby. The terrible things are being done, is what we're saying.

Speaker 31 I'm telling you, it's either that or a tattooed barcode.

Speaker 116 They got to come up with some ideas here.

Speaker 92 It's not going to fly.

Speaker 133 Barcodes. Yeah.

Speaker 48 And then

Speaker 119 this will be the final one.

Speaker 79 Because, of course, what Elon is doing is he's destroying the government.

Speaker 57 He's destroying everything.

Speaker 175 He's going to take away your social security, President Elon.

Speaker 162 Let's go protest at that Tesla star.

Speaker 144 People are organizing protests across the country against Elon Musk's role in the federal government. Several protests took place today in the suburbs and in Chicago.

Speaker 144 WGN's Angelica Sanchez reports on today's demonstration near the Mag Mile.

Speaker 177 I'm really upset about what's going on with the government and Elon Musk's hand in it.

Speaker 202 Protesters urge Tesla vehicle and stock owners to sell.

Speaker 204 I'm very concerned that someone who was not elected to the federal government has this much power.

Speaker 135 I think it's important that we all show up and say something.

Speaker 202 Saturday marks a global day of action in the Tesla takedown movement with demonstrations planned outside Tesla dealerships across the country against Elon Musk and his role in the Department of Government Efficiency.

Speaker 202 Seven of those demonstrations are at Chicagoland locations.

Speaker 204 He does not speak for Congress. And yet, it seems like institutions and the administration more broadly are acquiescing to these demands.

Speaker 202 Fans of Musk are vowing to counter-protest the movement, and some showed up to defend the billionaire in some cities. Musk is pushing to improve the image of Doge.

Speaker 202 In a Thursday interview with Fox News, he stated he is being careful and compassionate with his overhaul of the federal government, even as criticism has been mounting over his previous posts on X and emails demanding information from federal workers.

Speaker 127 So at 12 noon,

Speaker 86 many of these protests just stopped.

Speaker 90 Just stopped.

Speaker 49 The people left.

Speaker 32 Why, you ask?

Speaker 8 Why? Because they were hired. They were only there for four hours.

Speaker 42 No overtime.

Speaker 151 And I have a copy here of the chant sheet.

Speaker 99 I shall give you a few of the chants that the indivisible organization handed out to everybody.

Speaker 37 Elon Musk, go to Mars.

Speaker 69 We don't want your swastikars.

Speaker 161 Elon Musk is unelected.

Speaker 60 Democracy must be protected.

Speaker 61 The people united will never be defeated.

Speaker 94 That doesn't even rhyme. What is that?

Speaker 12 That's a bad one.

Speaker 76 That's no good.

Speaker 89 Hey, hey, ho, ho, President Musk has got to go.

Speaker 8 Or

Speaker 43 we will not cooperate with your techno-fascist state.

Speaker 174 And two more.

Speaker 107 Public workers work for us.

Speaker 89 Can't say that for Elon Musk.

Speaker 43 And my favorite.

Speaker 89 Democrats grow a spine.

Speaker 38 Now's the time to draw the line.

Speaker 1 So you know what I find fascinating is

Speaker 1 not almost walking distance from my house here is one of the regional Tesla repair centers.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 on the streets, there's probably 50 Teslas all around just surrounding that.

Speaker 1 There's no protests around here. And nobody in Berkeley, which is loaded with Teslas, is getting their cars swastika or anything.
Nobody in California, at least Northern California, nobody's,

Speaker 32 this isn't happening.

Speaker 21 Well, have you ever heard the term, don't piss in your own nest?

Speaker 11 They're all going out of state.

Speaker 8 Apparently. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 74 So it's just political, it's pathetic political theater is all that it is.

Speaker 52 And then you got Chuck Schumer yelling like,

Speaker 31 we're going to drag President Trump's ratings down.

Speaker 205 Oh, wow.

Speaker 174 Schumer. Wow.
Wow.

Speaker 1 But meanwhile. Well, that guy got lucky with the Miran Marr earthquake, which sucked up all the news.

Speaker 71 Yeah, you got to wonder if that was the earthquake machine.

Speaker 1 You know, I hate to say it.

Speaker 200 Yes.

Speaker 1 That's the first thing I thought.

Speaker 134 Me too, because that was a doozy, man, because I've been to Bangkok and I've been to, well, right underneath it.

Speaker 51 You haven't Myanmar, which they used to

Speaker 32 Burma.

Speaker 1 Burma they had the second town yeah but that's 600 miles away that's I know that's a mess and did you see the rooftop uh pool yeah where all the water's coming off the salt lake like and they want by the time it hits the street they had a there's one video floating around where because people were talking about over dinner about well you know water coming down it's just like rain but no no way

Speaker 1 it hits the street like a monso

Speaker 1 it's not like a monsoon it hits it's like a tidal wave it just whacks the street and just wipes everybody out.

Speaker 49 Have you seen the video from atop that pool?

Speaker 1 Yeah, where it's sloshing around. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 the floating stuff is going over the side.

Speaker 92 I thought, because I saw that video on X, I'm like, oh, man, is someone going to get sloshed right over?

Speaker 23 I mean, sad, but that would have been awesome.

Speaker 83 That would have been

Speaker 1 about awesome.

Speaker 168 But I mean, and those apartment buildings that were under construction coming straight down, almost like the Twin Towers is interesting.

Speaker 178 It kind of reminded me that it literally collapsed unto itself.

Speaker 17 But that, that is a now, is that a known fault line from Burma down to Bangkok?

Speaker 8 I'd never heard of it.

Speaker 1 It hasn't been explained yet, but I do have a couple of clips to catch up to it.

Speaker 101 All right.

Speaker 1 This is BBC, of course, and you might as well use your.

Speaker 104 Now, time for the BBC World Service.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is an earthquake story.

Speaker 105 Okay, from the BBC.

Speaker 1 Oh, by the way, this is the only good news.

Speaker 1 This is funny because

Speaker 1 they were just tons of material on this earthquake. But this was the kind of the good news story I thought was cute.

Speaker 82 Oh, nice. And now,

Speaker 207 good news from BBC World Service.

Speaker 197 The death toll from the earthquake in Myanmar is already up to 1,600 people.

Speaker 56 This is your good news?

Speaker 39 It gets better.

Speaker 17 It gets better.

Speaker 197 And that number is expected to rise quite sharply, probably, as more information comes out.

Speaker 197 It is hard to get a clear picture of what's happening in the worst-hit areas, and there are a number of reasons for that. There is a civil war.
Communications are, for the large part, down.

Speaker 197 Occasionally, as you'll hear, we do get some voice notes out. The ability of journalists to do their job is also an issue.

Speaker 197 Reporters Without Borders says reporters there face the risk of torture, arrest, or murder. So, obviously, are very cautious in what they say.

Speaker 197 Mandalay is the hardest-hit city in Myanmar, and in neighbouring Thailand, 11 people are known to have died, and at least 50 construction workers are still missing.

Speaker 197 That's because they were actually working on a building, so it wasn't secure.

Speaker 43 So far, great news.

Speaker 19 I'm very happy with this.

Speaker 84 Hey, just play the clip.

Speaker 197 Collapsed.

Speaker 197 But there was some good news, and this is a remarkable bit of tape. What a way to start a life.
A Thai woman went into labor just as the earthquake hit, and both she and the baby survived.

Speaker 197 She described what happened.

Speaker 167 Luckily, I was on the fifth floor.

Speaker 208 The medical medical staff were holding both my arms as we made our way down the stairs. The doctor kept saying, It's all right.
The hospital staff did very well in evacuating us, they did their best.

Speaker 208 I was telling my baby, don't come yet, but the pain kept growing and growing.

Speaker 208 Then I was put on a hospital bed and was surrounded by a lot of medical staff where I just gave birth right there and then. It was all a shock to me, too.

Speaker 208 Once my baby was born, the ground stopped shaking.

Speaker 206 I felt great.

Speaker 208 I saw my child, and the earthquake stopped.

Speaker 65 Wow, that is great. Thank you, BBC World Service.

Speaker 119 That's phenomenal.

Speaker 136 That's what we call human interest is what we call that.

Speaker 1 That was a good story. I thought it was the baby that caused the earthquake.
That's the way you have to go.

Speaker 8 I got it.

Speaker 45 Once the baby was there, the earthquake stopped.

Speaker 157 Perfect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, boom, done. So here's part two of the lucky baby.

Speaker 197 Happy mum. Well, the first emergency response teams have arrived in Myanmar now, and the UN is trying to coordinate much of that effort.

Speaker 197 Tom Andrews is the UN Special Rapporteur on the Human Rights Situation in Myanmar. He's actually currently in Bangkok, having just got back from the Thai-Myanmar border.

Speaker 197 There, he met people from the National Unity Government in Exile. That's the group that was set up after the coup in 2021, trying to replace the military regime.

Speaker 197 So on the basis of what he heard down on the border, he gave me the latest information on what's happening.

Speaker 209 The UN has operations on the ground. Pledges are coming in.
The United Nations has a relief fund operation right now that's in place.

Speaker 209 The ASEAN network of ASEAN countries are making an appeal and putting its emergency operations into play.

Speaker 209 There are various operations that are in place and that are trying to gear up as quickly as possible. The question is, will that aid be able to get where it needs to go?

Speaker 209 Will the military junta put up blockades of it going to areas that it just doesn't want it to go, those opposition areas, resistance areas?

Speaker 209 We know that every crisis that we've seen, every natural disaster that we've seen in recent years, they have blocked aid.

Speaker 209 They've created very significant problems in getting aid and assistance to where it needs to go. I am hoping that that will not be the case, but my assumption is that it will be.

Speaker 209 Oh, man.

Speaker 151 Get back to Lucky Baby, Happy Mum.

Speaker 1 That's the end of it. I don't have any.

Speaker 110 I think I have an earthquake story.

Speaker 22 Lucky Baby, Happy Mum.

Speaker 46 Love you long time.

Speaker 14 Let me see. Yes, I do have

Speaker 168 a

Speaker 115 France 24 clip, which explains a little bit more about the aid.

Speaker 210 This was the moment a skyscraper under construction came tumbling down in Bangkok.

Speaker 210 Dozens are thought to be trapped under the rubble. The 7.7 magnitude quake toppled a crane from the top of the building, which collapsed in seconds.

Speaker 210 In these pictures, water from a rooftop swimming pool can be seen cascading over the side of a high-rise. The tremor sent office workers pouring into the streets in search of safety.

Speaker 210 The earthquake's epicenter was near Myanmar's second city, Mandalay. Not long after it was followed by a 6.4 magnitude aftershock.

Speaker 210 In Myanmar, where where the extent of the damage is starting to emerge, a state of emergency has been declared, and the country's military rulers have made a rare appeal for aid.

Speaker 210 Lines of injured people were filmed waiting for hospital horse.

Speaker 23 I think ABC had the aid quip on it.

Speaker 211 A day after that destructive 7.7 magnitude earthquake rocked Southeast Asia, rescuers working around the clock to search for survivors, still buried under the rubble.

Speaker 211 Bangkok, this 34-storey building that was still under construction, collapsing, sending people running for their lives.

Speaker 68 There was a lot of screaming and panicking, which obviously made it a lot worse.

Speaker 211 Jack Brown's dash cam video capturing the moment.

Speaker 165 And it was just horrifying to see that destruction.

Speaker 211 Drone footage shows the scope of the damage. Garrett Breer from Washington State was in a nearby mall with his wife when they witnessed the moment it crumbled.

Speaker 120 Immediately we were just

Speaker 214 covered with dust and debris, and we couldn't see. And there were thousands of people just in panic running away from the building.

Speaker 211 The epicenter of the quake was in Mandalay, Myanmar, more than 600 miles from Bangkok. Buildings collapsed, roads torn apart.

Speaker 211 A media host in the war-torn country describing it as one of the strongest earthquakes in his lifetime.

Speaker 168 Bigging, like getting stronger in Intem.

Speaker 196 So I got a realization: oh, the aqua is really happening right now in Myanmar.

Speaker 211 Footage aired by Myanmar's state-run broadcaster shows the destruction of the historic Mandalay Palace in the country's second-largest city.

Speaker 27 Situation in Mandalay is really bad right now.

Speaker 168 The clock tower near Mandalay-like Manasteri collapsed and it was damaged.

Speaker 211 Rescue teams from China arriving to assist with search and rescue operations. India and Russia have also sent resources.
President Trump has vowed to send aid.

Speaker 32 There you go.

Speaker 140 So, what's the BBC guy talking about?

Speaker 115 There's aid. There's aid coming.

Speaker 1 It's not getting in.

Speaker 1 I think the BBC's got this correct.

Speaker 1 You know, the funny thing about that 600 miles

Speaker 1 says it's only 450 miles to LA from here.

Speaker 1 Most of the quakes in California typically...

Speaker 42 Hey, you don't feel them, though, do you?

Speaker 1 No, never. Never.
That's what I was going to get to.

Speaker 69 But it wasn't a 7.4, whatever that is by the way.

Speaker 1 We've had big quakes, not necessarily that big recently, but there's been quakes. I think the

Speaker 1 big one in San Francisco was 8.6 or something along those lines. But of course, these numbers don't mean anything anymore, as you know.

Speaker 51 No, no, we don't know if they changed the richter screen.

Speaker 178 The scale to the momentum scale.

Speaker 1 Now it's bullcrap. But the point is, is that generally speaking, in California, where there's a lot of quakes and most of the world, you have maybe a 90-mile

Speaker 1 distance where you can still feel the quake. It doesn't have the effect that it does

Speaker 1 where it took place, the epicenter, as they like to call it.

Speaker 1 But you can still feel it, and sometimes it can cause damage

Speaker 1 90 to 100 miles away. 600 miles away is unfathomable.
That's crazy. It doesn't make any, I mean, this like from, it means the entire state of California if an LA quake took place in half of Mexico.

Speaker 112 That's why it's affected.

Speaker 67 That's why I was asking if there's a known fault line there.

Speaker 41 I don't know of one.

Speaker 1 Well, that whole area looks like, you know, it's been. affected by a lot of quakes.
That's why it's all scattered, like it's a mess if you look at it on the map.

Speaker 148 I don't know

Speaker 53 somewhere there's a pot pong, ping pong ball joke in there, but I can't quite come up with it.

Speaker 51 What?

Speaker 131 Well, you've been to Pot Pong.

Speaker 1 Pot Pong? Pot Pong?

Speaker 1 No, I've not been to Pot Pong.

Speaker 30 You've been to Bangkok?

Speaker 1 No, I've not been to Thailand. I've been to Vietnam.
Oh.

Speaker 8 Oh, Pot Pong.

Speaker 103 Pot Pong in Thailand is where there's a club, and there's tricks.

Speaker 94 There's tricks that women do with ping-pong balls and lit cigarettes.

Speaker 1 Target practice part of it?

Speaker 43 Smoke ring. Yeah, target practice.

Speaker 118 Smoke rings and smoke rings.

Speaker 112 Yes, yes.

Speaker 58 I did a documentary there once.

Speaker 1 This is like the donkey act in TO1.

Speaker 52 We've actually talked about this on the show before many, many times.

Speaker 1 Yes, I remember you.

Speaker 1 You were aghast.

Speaker 17 Yes,

Speaker 1 I was aghast.

Speaker 134 Is it not pot pong?

Speaker 14 Pot Pong. I think it was Pop pong.

Speaker 110 It's a circus act.

Speaker 1 So to turkey. Pew, pew.
I'm going to get my turkey updated. I'm going to get back to BBC and do some international stuff.

Speaker 6 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 39 Come, George, because this is going on.

Speaker 1 This turkey thing is non-trivial.

Speaker 1 And here's what I want you to listen for.

Speaker 1 The people are, they threw this guy in jail. This is a political, this is what they try to do to Trump.
And the people are protesting the end of democracy because they put the guy in jail.

Speaker 1 When Trump, they try to put Trump in jail, I didn't see anybody protesting the threat to democracy.

Speaker 1 They only call Trump the threat to democracy.

Speaker 1 It's like reverse.

Speaker 89 Well, it's because the people weren't pissed off enough here.

Speaker 126 We have it too good.

Speaker 19 Turkey, I mean, the lira is not worth the paper it's printed on almost. I mean, there's real economic

Speaker 1 repercussions. Erwan's biggest mistake was his economic policies.

Speaker 11 Whoopsie.

Speaker 197 Hundreds Hundreds of thousands of Turkish pro-democracy protesters gathered in Istanbul today in support of the city's jailed mayor, Ekram Imamolu.

Speaker 197 The rally was called by Turkey's main opposition party, the CHP, and that's the party that's nominated Mr. Imamolu as its presidential candidate.

Speaker 197 Well, the BBC's senior international correspondent, Ola Gehrin, was at the protest today.

Speaker 6 So, what was it like?

Speaker 215 It was quite a festive atmosphere. There were a lot of people of all different ages.
We saw family groups, some people with young children, children still in prams.

Speaker 215 We saw some older people who were moving with some difficulty. One or two people had even brought the family dog.
There were lots of people who were carrying posters of the jailed mayor.

Speaker 215 And this was a daylight rally,

Speaker 215 a bright, sunny day. So quite a different atmosphere to the rallies earlier this week, the nighttime rallies that we reported on on Monday and Tuesday.
But the demands were very much the same.

Speaker 215 People told us they were coming to demand the release of the mayor. They said they would keep protesting until that happens.
Well, that could be a very long time.

Speaker 215 In reality, he could be in jail for several years. Many said that they had come to defend freedom of speech, human rights.

Speaker 215 One young man who was there with his brother told us that he had come to defend democracy before it was too late. He said, if we stand by and don't act, then we will lose everything.

Speaker 215 And there was a consistent message again from the opposition leader saying that, accusing the government of trying to intimidate the young people, he spoke of the large numbers of young people who had been arrested at the demonstrations.

Speaker 215 He said this was an attempt to try and silence them, to create fear, but he said it wouldn't work.

Speaker 195 Now,

Speaker 112 two questions.

Speaker 103 Maybe they're in your next two clips.

Speaker 178 One,

Speaker 168 does the BBC pronounce pronounce Turkey as Turkey-A?

Speaker 1 No, they don't. You've pointed this out before.

Speaker 51 And the other one, do we actually know if the accusations against this guy are true?

Speaker 69 Which they seemingly seems true.

Speaker 127 Nobody goes into it.

Speaker 1 Why not? They're just accusations, and it's like, well, okay, what did he do?

Speaker 1 It seems unlikely to be true. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 216 Well, protests have been going on for 10 days now, ever since Mr. Umamola's arrest, and they've been met with a repressive government response that's been sharply condemned by rights groups.

Speaker 216 Our senior international correspondent, Ola Gerin, is in Istanbul for us.

Speaker 215 It was certainly a massive demonstration, and you got that sense when you arrived because it took us a very long time to enter the plaza where the rally was being held because there were simply so many people trying to get through the entrances.

Speaker 215 And worth pointing out, I saw something today I have not seen before at a demonstration.

Speaker 215 It was a long line of what appeared to us to be closed-circuit TV cameras, and these were trained on every entrance.

Speaker 215 So it seemed to us as if the faces of all of those who were coming through to attend the protest were actually being recorded by the authorities, presumably for use in the future to identify people who've been at the demonstrations.

Speaker 215 The demands were very consistent, the same kind of message we heard earlier during the week on Monday and Tuesday at the large nighttime demonstrations.

Speaker 215 people were calling for the freeing of the mayor, saying they would keep protesting as long as it would take to get him out of jail. Now, that could mean a very long fight.

Speaker 215 The reality is, he could be in prison for several years.

Speaker 215 People were demanding freedom of expression. People were demanding protection for human rights.
One young man said to us, Look, I've come to try to defend democracy here before it's just too late.

Speaker 29 This is filler.

Speaker 1 So they have this, the idea of having all these cameras makes sense.

Speaker 1 You have to take uh the key to success here is you have to paste on a couple of fake eyeballs on your forehead.

Speaker 111 That's the key to success.

Speaker 36 Also for job interviews, I'm told.

Speaker 111 It's very key to success.

Speaker 1 You can do stuff to your face that would be

Speaker 1 that would confuse the AI system.

Speaker 92 But the BBC is giving us nothing.

Speaker 168 They're just doing color commentary.

Speaker 51 There's no depth to this reporting.

Speaker 1 Well, that's a good point. Here's the last of it.

Speaker 216 You mentioned there were CCTV cameras there. And as we know, the Turkish authority have already been cracking down on protesters and journalists in recent days.
Can you give us an update on that?

Speaker 131 Oh, they're talking about themselves.

Speaker 104 Oh, okay.

Speaker 15 Yes, it's very dangerous for us.

Speaker 168 We can't go into Bangkok.

Speaker 95 It's very into Myanmar.

Speaker 15 It's very dangerous. We can't do it.
It's dangerous. We're in Turkey.

Speaker 130 Turkey.

Speaker 49 We can't do it.

Speaker 37 It's so dangerous.

Speaker 86 Oh, I was so bad.

Speaker 51 It's in Turkey. Yay.

Speaker 119 Let's do that.

Speaker 215 Well, there's certainly a great deal of fear, and we heard that from demonstrators today. Several people said they were afraid of being arrested.

Speaker 215 Some told us they had friends who had been picked up in these dawn raids that have been going on over the last 10 days.

Speaker 215 The official figure from the Interior Ministry now is that 1,900 people have been detained just in the past 10 days.

Speaker 215 We know that among those, there are seven journalists, and we've had the first indictment handed down by public prosecutors here against some of those who were arrested.

Speaker 215 And all of these people arrested at the protests. And the prosecutor is asking for jail terms of between six months and three years.

Speaker 215 Now press freedom groups and media organizations here are pointing out that among the journalists arrested were people who are simply doing their job.

Speaker 215 There were photographers who were taking photographs that have been seen around the world and become famous around the world.

Speaker 215 And human rights organizations are saying that the legitimate right to freedom of expression to gather peacefully to protest against the government's policies, there is a major attempt here now, they say, to stifle those rights and those freedoms.

Speaker 215 And it didn't begin 10 days ago with the arrest of Ekrem Imamolu. It has certainly been a pattern that we've observed here over many years now.

Speaker 1 More nothing.

Speaker 1 I suspect that we were behind it.

Speaker 69 Oh, okay, that would make sense because

Speaker 40 I've had my quad view on 24-7,

Speaker 108 and there's not even a story.

Speaker 10 We're not even running a story about this.

Speaker 195 They're still talking SignalGate.

Speaker 96 I know.

Speaker 1 I know. You're right.
There has not been one single story on American media about this. And this has been going on for 10 days and is major.

Speaker 99 Yeah, and it's a NATO member, I might point out.

Speaker 64 It's not just some fly-by-night operation.

Speaker 1 It's also a responsibility. also

Speaker 37 responsible for the mess in Syria.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 they're out to get this guy.

Speaker 19 And where's the Gulen movement?

Speaker 72 We know their leader died, but they didn't just dissolve.

Speaker 8 I mean, did anything happen with them?

Speaker 1 No reporting on that. No reporting.

Speaker 172 Well, meanwhile, that's the M5M.

Speaker 58 Now the T5M,

Speaker 137 which is so M5M is mainstream media, T5M is the truth stream media.

Speaker 94 Very annoyed.

Speaker 1 When did that come up?

Speaker 35 I just made it up.

Speaker 114 Very annoyed this weekend because at least 15 people are saying, there's something here.

Speaker 176 This is going on.

Speaker 106 You got to check this out.

Speaker 76 So.

Speaker 29 What? I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 100 Even Tina's like, oh, there's something going on here with House inhabit.

Speaker 29 What?

Speaker 11 House inhabit.

Speaker 40 House, you don't know who House inhabit is.

Speaker 193 House inhabit, not in a inhabit, but inhabit, like you inhabit a house, house inhabit.

Speaker 1 House inhabit. Okay.

Speaker 110 House inhabit.

Speaker 105 This was a mommy blogger who

Speaker 1 became very successful as a so we have a so did so this is about a mommy blogger it's it gets worse because it gets much worse how can it get worse and Tina would often she reads you know stuff like conservative treehouse and house inhabit uh I don't know any of this well that's I never heard of conservative treehouse that's why there's two of us oh you don't know sundance from it from conservative Treehouse.

Speaker 1 No, I don't know Sundance either.

Speaker 122 Well, I do.

Speaker 1 I'm listening to the BBC World Service.

Speaker 207 And now we switch over to Mommy Blogger, House and Habit on the BBC World Service.

Speaker 86 But this is Tina's beat because I can't.

Speaker 1 By the way, I should compliment you. That does sound great.

Speaker 39 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 8 I don't know if you've heard it.

Speaker 11 Custom programmed.

Speaker 33 You've heard it.

Speaker 1 But it sounds just like an old shortwave radio announcer.

Speaker 8 Well, I used to, when I was growing up, my parents, they would have one of those alarm clock radios.

Speaker 48 And

Speaker 19 so my dad would have this thing at volume 10 because my parents could never get up.

Speaker 217 Because I had to be at the bus stop at 10 past seven to take the bus to then get on my hidden bike to go to school.

Speaker 66 Oh, yes, it was rough.

Speaker 19 And that thing would go on.

Speaker 11 And it's seven o'clock,

Speaker 98 and it's just blasting the news.

Speaker 25 So it's a trauma from my youth.

Speaker 121 Anyway, so

Speaker 58 now I have to go watch 20 minutes of Ian Carroll.

Speaker 86 Now, you know who that is.

Speaker 32 No.

Speaker 27 Yeah, you do.

Speaker 30 He's the guy on X with the long hair with the hoodie, and he's always talking like, I don't know.

Speaker 118 He's always got the green screen behind him.

Speaker 39 I like these guys.

Speaker 12 Suspicious

Speaker 11 look suspicious.

Speaker 146 And then, so he goes on for 20 minutes talking about Candace Owens.

Speaker 98 Oh, Candace Owens, Candace Owens. Okay.

Speaker 146 So then I have to go watch Candace Owens for an hour.

Speaker 59 And I'm like, what is going on here?

Speaker 105 Basically, they keep talking about a blackmail scandal, a blackmail scandal, and that House Inhabit, the mommy blogger, has teamed up with that horrible woman from, was it New Yorker magazine who supposedly had a sexting scandal with RFK.

Speaker 98 And now,

Speaker 89 well, the Maha movement is under threat, and RFK can't do anything because he's being blackmailed, blackmailed, blackmailed.

Speaker 37 And who is he being blackmailed by?

Speaker 99 Come on, John, you know the answer.

Speaker 33 Answer the question, go.

Speaker 1 Soros. Israel.

Speaker 43 No, of course it's Israel.

Speaker 30 Oh, it's Israel.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, it's Israel.

Speaker 30 Yes, it's Israel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that makes nothing but sense on the surface.

Speaker 98 And, you know,

Speaker 27 he's always been a Zionist, and he's always been

Speaker 91 the Kennedys. Yeah.

Speaker 98 The Kennedys, big Zionists, and he's always been in for Rabbi Shmooly.

Speaker 167 And I'm just saying, you know,

Speaker 10 and that's what people are concerned with here in America.

Speaker 1 Rabbi Shmooly?

Speaker 13 Long story, brother.

Speaker 32 Long story.

Speaker 198 Yes, because you know that that's why they don't release the Epstein files is because then we find out that the entire U.S.

Speaker 167 government is being blackmailed by the Mossad.

Speaker 39 Hello, where you been?

Speaker 64 You need to read the mommy blogger.

Speaker 8 You can understand these things.

Speaker 1 But I'm listening to the BBC.

Speaker 136 But I think there has been a concerted effort.

Speaker 131 And, you know,

Speaker 27 to me, it's all spiritual.

Speaker 54 There's dark forces.

Speaker 86 There's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 39 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 84 I'm just telling you. Skip ahead.

Speaker 200 Huh?

Speaker 39 Look. Skip ahead.

Speaker 1 We know there's dark forces.

Speaker 103 Don't do that to me.

Speaker 128 Well, you told me I could.

Speaker 1 What do you do? Now you tell me I can't?

Speaker 86 No, but you skip ahead as just rude.

Speaker 30 Skip ahead. You told me I could.
I didn't tell you you could go.

Speaker 49 You can't.

Speaker 32 Off camera, you did.

Speaker 8 Off camera.

Speaker 132 Where's the camera? Off camera.

Speaker 1 You said I could do that. No.

Speaker 1 Now you're calling me out.

Speaker 38 No.

Speaker 1 You can call me out. You did that on purpose to give me grief.

Speaker 134 No, you can call me.

Speaker 162 Okay, Kara, but go ahead.

Speaker 124 You can call me out, but you can't just say skip ahead.

Speaker 119 That's not nice.

Speaker 1 I think skip ahead is pretty cool.

Speaker 23 And I think you'll agree with me on this.

Speaker 112 I believe there is a concerted effort to go after

Speaker 15 influencers, podcasters, mommy bloggers, etc.,

Speaker 47 to make them very fearful to be called out as a Zionist, a

Speaker 8 Jew lover, whatever, whatever.

Speaker 1 People do that all the time. I don't see you, you're not shaking in your boots.

Speaker 36 But that's because

Speaker 13 we don't rely on clicks.

Speaker 99 We don't rely on views. We rely on people who care about what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 We're talking about it. This is a modern version of cancel culture.

Speaker 16 It's almost reverse.

Speaker 113 It's audience capture is what it is.

Speaker 58 And so they're deathly afraid to be run into.

Speaker 114 See, no one cares about us.

Speaker 37 No one knows about us.

Speaker 29 It's true.

Speaker 55 Only the people who listen. No one else knows.

Speaker 8 Only

Speaker 1 our dedicated million plus audience, but nobody cares about them either, except that they're all big shots. It's It's amazing.

Speaker 30 Well, there you go.

Speaker 88 But

Speaker 99 we'll never matter in mainstream culture.

Speaker 139 We just don't matter.

Speaker 55 Joe Rogan doesn't have me on and say, man, that no agenda show is the best thing ever.

Speaker 8 No, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's listening to the show once.

Speaker 37 You invented podcasting.

Speaker 8 You used to have long hair.

Speaker 199 But that's my point.

Speaker 90 These Jamokes, they're all dependent.

Speaker 92 The T5M, they're all dependent upon clicks and views and algos and outrage.

Speaker 151 They are literally talking about each other.

Speaker 20 And that rises.

Speaker 1 I know we've both noticed this.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 so-and-so is going to, Tim Poole's going to talk to Candace Owens, who's going to talk to Steve Bannon, and she's going to be on the Bannon show. And then Bannon's going to be on.

Speaker 1 He's going to talk to. It's always,

Speaker 1 then there's the value tainment guys. You've got to get in there.

Speaker 8 Yes, the value.

Speaker 96 And it's the same little group.

Speaker 55 Yes. And throw in a little bit of Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 130 And then, you know, and Ian, he was even on Rogan, you know, so Rogan's getting sucked into this.

Speaker 39 And I think Rogan's gotten a lot of pushback on, because, you know, if you don't call out the genocide of Israel on Palestine, then you are clearly a Zionist.

Speaker 8 It doesn't matter what war or what death you call out. If it's not that one, then you're no good.

Speaker 75 So all this to say,

Speaker 195 You should be happy with the best podcasting universe and enjoy it for the last three years and nine months.

Speaker 17 Because what are you going to do after that?

Speaker 82 Candace Owen.

Speaker 8 What happened to her?

Speaker 1 She's bigger than ever, I think.

Speaker 8 Yeah, because she's only talking about gossip and show business.

Speaker 39 He's Blake Lidesley.

Speaker 39 Blake Lidley.

Speaker 1 It all deteriorates.

Speaker 32 Blake Life.

Speaker 97 That's all she talks about.

Speaker 12 She's a psycho.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, that would be our analysis.

Speaker 107 Hey, let's talk about Blake Lidley.

Speaker 16 She's a psycho. All right, we're done.

Speaker 1 So it's like, it's like, it's like everything deteriorates to celebrity chit-chat.

Speaker 121 Always.

Speaker 114 Even Alex Jones is tired of it.

Speaker 36 It's just like, if you can make Alex Jones tired of something like this, then you've gone very far.

Speaker 174 So it's just like, oh, man, stop already.

Speaker 190 Stop.

Speaker 1 So I have some thoughts on Canada and Kearney.

Speaker 82 Oh, yes.

Speaker 119 Oh, okay, good.

Speaker 135 I mean, I'm I'm interested in Canada and Kearney.

Speaker 27 The appointed

Speaker 178 prime minister.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 85 I feel bad about

Speaker 1 not getting a clip when I heard it the first time because I didn't think much of it. I said, I don't know, what is he talking about? It's one of Trump's sitting behind his desk.

Speaker 1 He's yaking away about turning Canada into the 51st state. And somebody calls him and says, well, you know, there'll just be a bunch of Democrats.

Speaker 96 They're going to all vote red.

Speaker 1 I don't know why you want that. He says, well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think that both parties up there are good. And sometimes

Speaker 1 he makes a comment. He literally says, I think the Liberal Party might be the better of the two parties.

Speaker 29 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Trump says the Liberal Party might be better of it too. Meanwhile, he keeps goading Canada

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 threatening them with this and that and the other. And it's turned the Liberal Party into a popular party all of a sudden.
It did.

Speaker 23 I mean, yes, yes, it did.

Speaker 29 It did.

Speaker 1 And now I'm beginning to think this was intentional.

Speaker 2 Hmm.

Speaker 1 And let's listen to these. I got three clips.
This is the, let's start with this one. This is Trump

Speaker 1 Carney Tariffs, NHK.

Speaker 221 U.S. President Donald Trump says he'll slap additional tariffs of 25%

Speaker 221 on imported cars from April 3rd. One country significantly affected is Canada.
Its new Prime Minister, Mark Carney, stressed at a news conference Thursday he will hit back.

Speaker 28 We will fight the U.S.

Speaker 223 tariffs with retaliatory trade actions of our own that will have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impacts here in Canada.

Speaker 221 Carney said Trump's team requested a phone call and he plans to pick up soon. Meanwhile, Trump took to social media in the middle of the night to lay down a warning to Canada and the EU.

Speaker 221 He told them not to work together against the U.S. or even heftier duties are on the way.
Trump hopes to boost car production in America through import taxes. But if the U.S.

Speaker 221 and other countries start a tit-for-tet tariff war, the global economy looks bound to suffer.

Speaker 17 Interesting, but it's April 3rd.

Speaker 72 I mean, April 2nd is Liberation Day.

Speaker 51 What are we doing on April 3rd?

Speaker 1 This is interesting. I don't know why this is either.
I don't get that.

Speaker 1 But this whole idea that this might be a setup, a plan, a scheme.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the reason I'm starting to think this way is because, first of all, we're not moaning and groaning about Carney never getting one single vote for anything.

Speaker 1 You're not talking about all mushroom elected. He's never done anything.
Carney was brought in from the bank.

Speaker 97 Yes,

Speaker 20 he is a literal banker.

Speaker 1 He's a literal banker. He's the head of the Bank of England.

Speaker 1 And then he was the head of the Bank of Canada. And the Liberal Party just kicked Trudeau out, who quit, kind of quit, but he knew what was writing on the wall.

Speaker 71 Well, we knew there was a blackmail scandal going on.

Speaker 1 Well, there's something going on. And so they bring Carney in.

Speaker 1 And so Carney's now running the whole place. And nobody's making mention of the fact that this guy.

Speaker 30 Why?

Speaker 1 Why did they put this banker in charge? And why all of a sudden is the Liberal Party becoming popular again? Because we Paulie there, or however you want to say that.

Speaker 8 He's off the radar.

Speaker 117 You don't even hear from him anymore.

Speaker 41 He's still off the radar.

Speaker 42 Now

Speaker 1 there's a bunch of studies. Oh, no, the Liberals are going to win because they're going to have a snap election now at the end of April, April 28th, I believe.

Speaker 42 Right.

Speaker 1 And so the snap election, you do these things. You can do this in a parliamentary system when you think that you can kick ass.

Speaker 1 Right. Sometimes it doesn't work out, but most of the time it does.

Speaker 14 You do a snap, snapper.

Speaker 1 Snap election. And then you can take over the place.
And so they, so Trump is promoting this 51st state thing and throwing, he's getting Canadians pissed off.

Speaker 179 And Carney, and Carney is,

Speaker 10 we're going to fight for our country.

Speaker 19 We're not going to take it.

Speaker 10 He's Mr. Strongman.

Speaker 103 It's like strong man against strong man.

Speaker 30 I believe,

Speaker 1 and I believe this, and I only get this from memes.

Speaker 1 You know, you have to get information where you get it.

Speaker 136 And you don't know house inhabit?

Speaker 8 I can't believe it.

Speaker 219 You know, Pepe.

Speaker 43 Pepe the frog?

Speaker 16 Yeah, you know, Pepe the Frog.

Speaker 110 Yeah, of course I do.

Speaker 1 There are memes after memes after memes saying, don't pass this around, but Carney spent a lot of time on Epstein Island.

Speaker 97 Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 128 We're back.

Speaker 106 We have our own little version of it.

Speaker 134 Nice.

Speaker 32 So I think

Speaker 1 Carney's got the goods on him.

Speaker 89 Oh, Epstein files going to drop after the snap election.

Speaker 1 Well, not necessarily.

Speaker 8 or before.

Speaker 1 Or never or never because you want to hold

Speaker 125 him, yeah. It's the Bunsen burner.

Speaker 1 So, this is this is the leverage we have over Carney. This is why Trump was going on about how the liberal, all the liberals are okay up there.

Speaker 39 They're great.

Speaker 91 That's a great gambit.

Speaker 82 Hey, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark Carney.

Speaker 8 What's that in your mouth?

Speaker 6 What's that in your mouth?

Speaker 91 It's total.

Speaker 1 And then you start, so you get these next two clips, and it kind of like:

Speaker 128 is this all part of some grand scheme?

Speaker 1 Let's play,

Speaker 1 this will be set up.

Speaker 224 Adam Chapnick, a professor of defense studies at Canadian Forces College, says Connie is taking a hard line against Trump on the back of rising patriotism among his compatriots.

Speaker 225 President Trump's threats to make Canada the 51st state have unleashed a wave of nationalism and patriotism in Canada that we haven't seen in years, if not decades, in Canada.

Speaker 225 We're normally polite and relatively quiet.

Speaker 225 In this case, however, it is a threat to our very being and it's brought note a pride that I think has always been there, but we aren't inclined to show it in the same way as some other countries do.

Speaker 225 And in this case, whether you lean politically to the right or to the left, everyone seems to agree that we are proud to be Canadian. We don't want to be citizens of any other country.

Speaker 224 As a result of Cany's continued harsh comments about Trump, the ruling party's support rate has recovered rapidly.

Speaker 224 In a poll of polls by CBC News this week, the Liberals were more popular than the opposition Conservatives led by Pierre Polyev.

Speaker 224 Chapnik suggests the election offers a chance for whoever is Canada's next leader to turn the page with the Trump administration.

Speaker 152 I am liking this theory of yours, John.

Speaker 1 I'm liking it too. Here we go with this last clip.
This was the kind of, there's some other kicker information in here, which may or may not have something to do with the scheme.

Speaker 224 Canada spends less than one and a half of its GDP on defense, something Trump has strongly criticized. It seems highly likely Canada will sharply hike its military budget.

Speaker 225 I think Canadians are united in understanding that we have to commit more to defense and we have to spend more on national defense.

Speaker 225 Both political parties are promising increases to the defense budget.

Speaker 225 Whether they are big big enough to satisfy the United States is not yet clear, but I can virtually promise you that Canada will be spending significantly more on defense over the next five, 10, and 15 years.

Speaker 224 Even so, if relations with the U.S. remain poor, Canada will seek to strengthen relations with European allies and other countries.

Speaker 225 From a Canadian point of view, Canada's national interests are best served when we work with allies.

Speaker 225 So in some ways, the challenges with the United States might actually bring us closer to our European and Asian allies because we will need more friends, more than we ever had in the past.

Speaker 225 I think that much of Europe is responding the same way, that Europe has to get more serious about its security because it might not be able to rely on the United States in the near future.

Speaker 225 So, this isn't ideal, not the ideal situation, but if something good can come out of it by closer cooperation amongst like-minded allies in the West, that would be a great thing.

Speaker 63 So if I understand what you're saying,

Speaker 72 the real win here

Speaker 21 is our manufacturing base in the United States is going to grow significantly because Europe has nowhere to buy all this war stuff for at least the next couple of years.

Speaker 122 Canada has nowhere to buy it.

Speaker 21 Meanwhile, everybody's ramping up their money.

Speaker 136 and we're going to take it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 54 We should, we're like North Korea, South Korea here.

Speaker 80 We should we should drop American flags and kid rock CDs over

Speaker 8 Ottawa.

Speaker 8 We need to help them out.

Speaker 17 Well, there was another, there was another little extra bit

Speaker 73 on Truth Social.

Speaker 114 The president posted, I just played a round of golf with Alexander Stubb, president of Finland.

Speaker 70 And it turns out he's a very good player.

Speaker 112 We won the men's member guest golf tournament at the Trump International Golf Club in Palm Beach County.

Speaker 131 And I look forward to strengthening the partnership between the United States and Finland, and that includes the purchase and development of a large number of badly needed icebreakers.

Speaker 114 They're beautiful ships, I hear.

Speaker 58 Now, that, of course, is on Russia's border.

Speaker 107 Maybe this whole, I'm pissed off at Putin, maybe that whole thing is to prolong things a little bit.

Speaker 69 Let's keep the money train going here.

Speaker 1 That pissed off at Putin thing could be a scheme

Speaker 1 between him and

Speaker 32 Putin, yes.

Speaker 8 Well, the whole thing that Putin is saying.

Speaker 1 This whole thing, we're watching theater. Yes.

Speaker 1 Everything, the Canada 51st State,

Speaker 1 letting this Carney guy who's not even, you know, this crazy guy who's never gotten a vote in his life

Speaker 1 run Canada. And then we're all kind of like pushing Canada to get pissed off.
They get so damn mad that they buy stuff from us.

Speaker 39 The whole thing is ridiculous.

Speaker 8 Well,

Speaker 69 let me bring in

Speaker 55 Putin and Russia and Ukraine into this.

Speaker 124 This is from

Speaker 187 where is this? This is,

Speaker 110 I think, first post.

Speaker 183 And moving to the war in Europe, Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 8 I like that.

Speaker 64 The war in Europe.

Speaker 56 Now it's just not Ukraine.

Speaker 30 It's the war in Europe, people.

Speaker 8 It's just the war in Europe.

Speaker 183 And moving to the war in Europe, Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed placing Ukraine under temporary UN control to pave the way for new elections and key peace agreements.

Speaker 183 Claiming that President Volodymyr Zelensky's leadership lacks legitimacy, Putin insisted bringing in a third party to be a viable government that quote-unquote enjoys the people's trust.

Speaker 226 In principle, of course, it would be possible under the auspices of the UN, with the United States, even with European countries, and of course with our partners and friends, to discuss the possibility of introducing temporary administration in Ukraine.

Speaker 62 For what?

Speaker 226 In order to hold democratic elections, in order to bring to power a viable government that enjoys the people's trust, and then begin negotiations with it on a peace treaty.

Speaker 183 However, the Russian leader's proposal has been met with skepticism. The White House National Security Council emphasized that Ukraine's governance is determined by its constitution and its people.

Speaker 183 There has been no immediate comment from Ukraine, however.

Speaker 183 President Zelensky has repeatedly rejected any notion questioning his legitimacy, And he insists that elections are impossible under martial law, which he imposed in response to Russia's invasion back in 2022.

Speaker 177 You know,

Speaker 26 the idea that this is what we're watching all theater is highly possible and probably very likely.

Speaker 30 If you add one more bid in, remember, We have to flood the world with American stablecoin with dollars,

Speaker 168 dollar dominance through stablecoin.

Speaker 123 You can't get around it.

Speaker 40 That is now being said by the president, by the Secretary of the Treasury.

Speaker 16 Flood the world with stablecoin.

Speaker 10 This is from the Defense and Aerospace podcast.

Speaker 227 All the European Union members were just advised to stock 72 hours worth of food and shortwave radio and all this type of thing because of potential catastrophic events to come, including war.

Speaker 227 They're getting quite serious here. I think they are beyond now the insult that's coming their way left and right.

Speaker 227 They are absolutely moving ahead in terms of trying to figure out the European defense without the United States, helping Ukraine without the United States.

Speaker 227 And so they are putting some meat to those bones with the idea that not only is it important for European security that Ukraine is protected, but that this is something that they hope will buy themselves a seat at the table.

Speaker 227 But I think what will buy them a seat at the table is the fact that there are not going to be sanctions lifted on Russia like SWIFT, which is one of the demands that Russia has levied on everyone if they're going to agree to this Black Sea and energy infrastructure ceasefire.

Speaker 227 But to do that, to lift SWIFT and to assist in terms of the agricultural trade and banking resources that the Russians are asking for,

Speaker 227 the Europeans have got to be part of that.

Speaker 227 SWIFT is done out of Brussels. It's not done out of Washington.
There is a lot happening here. And there isn't this, is the U.S.
with us or not anymore. The assumption is that the U.S.

Speaker 227 has walked away. Every day, something happens to make them feel that and to know that.

Speaker 228 And so they're beginning to act along those lines.

Speaker 227 There is an energy here, and a direction here, and a drive here, and an anger here that I haven't seen ever. And so, and it's, it's moving.
I don't see it turning around anytime soon.

Speaker 126 So, you freak the people out.

Speaker 103 Like, you better get your shortwave radios and your tuna fish can and a flashlight because, you know, Putin can strike at any minute.

Speaker 27 And so, you've got to give us your money.

Speaker 58 We need need to take your money because it is, in effect, taking the people's money in advance by borrowing and carving out 150 billion right off the spot and giving that to the contractors, the military contractors, which for the foreseeable future is us.

Speaker 130 And then

Speaker 103 what you want to, they control Swift.

Speaker 30 I didn't realize that Brussels controls Swift.

Speaker 19 Well, that's great. Here's the meet the new Swift.

Speaker 106 It's called Stablecoin.

Speaker 199 It's a beautiful stablecoin.

Speaker 58 And you can trade that.

Speaker 10 It's its own networks.

Speaker 19 It can trade on any network, on any blockchain, any layer two,

Speaker 217 level two

Speaker 97 system.

Speaker 85 This could be a very big game.

Speaker 169 Big theater.

Speaker 1 Something's up.

Speaker 29 Well, yeah.

Speaker 70 I think we're a little deeper than something's up.

Speaker 116 And these pieces are coming together.

Speaker 136 I'm not sure how, now I'm not sure how Finland fits in.

Speaker 16 But then out of the blue, out of the blue,

Speaker 34 Afghanistan pops up.

Speaker 114 Yes, it does.

Speaker 89 Did you catch this?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 89 This is the

Speaker 136 Minister of Foreign Affairs, Abdul Kahar Balki.

Speaker 229 Abdul Kahar Balki, thank you so much.

Speaker 64 This is on CBS.

Speaker 90 This is a legitimate CIA broadcast systems.

Speaker 229 Abdul Kahar Balki, thank you so much for speaking to us. The Taliban has been clear that it wants wants a new chapter with the U.S.

Speaker 187 What is a new chapter?

Speaker 231 The new chapter means that we end the, close the old chapter of 20 years of warfare, of being adversaries, and looking forward to the future.

Speaker 232 The common goal of a stable and prosperous Afghanistan for the benefit of the people of Afghanistan.

Speaker 232 And we believe that having an Afghanistan that is integrated, that is prosperous, that is stable, is also in the interest of the United States of America.

Speaker 37 So now the Taliban pops up and and says, Hey, baby,

Speaker 55 want to talk?

Speaker 43 Deal, no deal?

Speaker 59 You got an idea? I got an idea.

Speaker 11 What do you got on your side of the table?

Speaker 65 What do I got on my side of the table?

Speaker 229 But as you know, President Trump is unlike other presidents and wants to make a deal. The one he's outlined is pretty clear.

Speaker 229 Give us back our military hardware worth billions of dollars and we will unfreeze these assets which rightfully belong to Afghanistan. Will the Taliban take that deal?

Speaker 230 With regards to the assets of the Central Bank of Afghanistan, just as the title says,

Speaker 232 they're the assets of the Central Bank of Afghanistan.

Speaker 233 They're not the assets of my government or any other administrations that have

Speaker 232 governed Afghanistan previously. These are the assets of the people of Afghanistan and the state of Afghanistan.

Speaker 32 They have been withheld wrongfully, illegitimately, and unlawfully, and they need to be released without any conditions.

Speaker 31 Okay, so this doesn't sound like it's about the money at all.

Speaker 122 I mean, first of all, what do we really... There's nothing.

Speaker 43 They've already gotten rid of.

Speaker 32 They sold everything.

Speaker 162 They crashed all the helicopters.

Speaker 10 The planes are no good.

Speaker 12 All that.

Speaker 1 And then they give away the pickup trucks that are scattered all over the country.

Speaker 205 Yeah, all over the world.

Speaker 43 And then the asset, the frozen assets, it's a whopping, get ready for it, $17.5 billion.

Speaker 117 That's an Elon Musk's couch.

Speaker 19 Now, that's not a problem.

Speaker 44 So there's something going on here.

Speaker 40 And again, is Afghanistan?

Speaker 136 What country do they border on?

Speaker 1 Pakistan.

Speaker 1 Nice. India, I think, maybe China.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I'm thinking one of those.

Speaker 229 It's clear that Taliban wants a reset with the U.S. despite this 20-year history of pretty brutal warfare.

Speaker 229 President Trump made a deal with the Taliban, which ultimately saw the end of America's longest war and indeed the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
Daliban has been in power ever since. And now, Mr.

Speaker 229 Trump is back in office. Now, he said that what he wants to see.

Speaker 199 Whoa, that was kind of

Speaker 11 interesting.

Speaker 117 I missed it.

Speaker 70 Well, they made it sound like trump did the withdrawal

Speaker 229 thank you oh really yeah listen again alban has been in power ever since and now mr trump is back in office right now let me play the we got to hear the full bit from here

Speaker 229 president trump made a deal with the taliban which ultimately saw the end of america's longest war and indeed the withdrawal of u.s forces taliban has been in power ever since and now mr trump is back in office now he said that what he wants to see at least initially is the return of billions of dollars worth of U.S.

Speaker 229 military equipment and hardware back to the U.S. In exchange, he will consider unfreezing foreign currency reserves that President Biden froze after the withdrawal.

Speaker 229 Is that a deal that Taliban is willing to take?

Speaker 232 Currently, the best way to engage is through normal diplomatic means. Engage, talk, find common spaces that secure the interests of both countries and that addresses the common concerns.

Speaker 31 Now, so Afghanistan borders on all the stands.

Speaker 95 Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, China,

Speaker 44 most importantly, Iran.

Speaker 12 Yes.

Speaker 103 That would be the most important one.

Speaker 95 And so

Speaker 30 this is a part of the show.

Speaker 24 I think we need to have an just called the show.

Speaker 65 This is a show.

Speaker 107 This is not all of a sudden the Taliban goes, hey, yay, Trump, you know, you know, you kill our guys, but yeah, you know, let's do a deal.

Speaker 13 Deal, no deal.

Speaker 92 There's a lot going on here that your M5M is not exploring.

Speaker 64 Signal Gate, mommy bloggers.

Speaker 8 Hex Seth.

Speaker 84 Hex, hex Seth. Oh, actually,

Speaker 177 what did I have?

Speaker 70 I had,

Speaker 41 what did I have?

Speaker 25 I had a Signal Gate clip here.

Speaker 54 Yes.

Speaker 123 Brennan.

Speaker 10 Brennan lets it slip who he's really at.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 85 Brennan's back with Katie Turr, who has two moms.

Speaker 116 One mom is a dude in a dress.

Speaker 181 If you were the CIA director and you were included on a signal message chain, I know it didn't exist when you were CIA director, but something of that like.

Speaker 1 Did she say Chan?

Speaker 25 Let me say chain, I think.

Speaker 69 A signal message chain.

Speaker 181 I know it didn't exist when you were CIA director, but something of that like.

Speaker 181 Would you have spoken up and said, hey, listen, we shouldn't be having this conversation here? I know John Radcliffe has said that he didn't release any classified information on that chain.

Speaker 181 He's trying to absolve himself from any wrongdoing. But did he have a duty to speak up?

Speaker 235 Well, I think certainly there should have been questions raised when Mike Walsh informed the group that there was going to be this signal discussion at the principal's level.

Speaker 235 He was the one who put together this communication chat forum. He was the one who sets the agenda.

Speaker 235 So it's the National Security Advisor who chairs the principals committee meeting, which this was a virtual committee meeting. And so there should have been questions raised from the very beginning.

Speaker 109 Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 235 This is a pending military operation. Why are we going to be doing this on signal? So it should have been redirected early on

Speaker 235 into classified systems and networks. So yeah, this is something that in my experience, we never would have done.

Speaker 235 Again, sometimes someone will pick up a phone because you have to convey some type of message to somebody, and the only way you have to do it is with some type of unclassified system.

Speaker 104 But you do it cryptically.

Speaker 235 You do it in a manner that's going to reveal the operational details. And despite what Secretary Hexet says, there were operational details included in that chat.

Speaker 19 So it sounds like Brennan's going after Waltz.

Speaker 1 They're all going after Waltz. So now the latest is this guy, Wong.

Speaker 123 The Wong guy?

Speaker 82 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Carl LaFong, capital L.

Speaker 49 But that's all Laura Loomer posts about all day long.

Speaker 107 I've already solved it.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Laura Loomer.

Speaker 1 She she picks up some pretty funny stuff.

Speaker 1 She's got this, and the connection, of course, is Guilt by Association, which is this Wong character who is Waltz's undersecretary, I guess, who's married to a woman, another

Speaker 1 Chinese American, who went after the J Sixers, thus.

Speaker 8 Oh,

Speaker 8 all right. That's the key.

Speaker 62 Oh, there you go.

Speaker 86 Oh, is that J Sixer?

Speaker 23 Oh, man.

Speaker 134 What a quagmire. Oh, boy.

Speaker 30 Well, then, allow me to bring in Jesse Waters.

Speaker 55 That's right. I'm doing it.

Speaker 8 I can't. Oh, you're.

Speaker 150 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Hold on a second. Let me make a note.

Speaker 161 Make a note. Make a note.

Speaker 1 I figure this is the three for one. It means I get to do three for the one.

Speaker 64 In what universe do you get three for one of anything?

Speaker 1 You promised me.

Speaker 76 Off camera.

Speaker 64 Off camera.

Speaker 116 We should stream cameras.

Speaker 21 Yeah, man. We should do YouTube live when we do this show.

Speaker 69 We should stream it on X.

Speaker 161 So, this is the latest in

Speaker 137 the JFK files, which went away.

Speaker 1 By the way, I'm not going to interrupt.

Speaker 1 Now, that you mentioned streaming a live video on X, you mentioned earlier in the show how we're not in this group of people that are changing, you know, the value tamement guy we did interviewing, Tucker, who was interviewing

Speaker 96 Megan, Megan,

Speaker 96 Megan, Megan,

Speaker 96 Megan,

Speaker 1 Circle Jerk.

Speaker 32 They're all video.

Speaker 1 That's why.

Speaker 86 Well, praise God.

Speaker 39 You imagine we have to do video.

Speaker 8 I'll give you that one. We have to do video.

Speaker 170 Hey, what was it?

Speaker 61 Someone had a good nickname for us.

Speaker 116 It was Tick and Twitch or something.

Speaker 73 Gone is

Speaker 73 crackpot and buzzkill.

Speaker 103 No, people, we're not going to do that.

Speaker 104 All right. So

Speaker 162 this is the latest twist in the JFK files, which just went away within days.

Speaker 23 Within days, I tell you.

Speaker 217 All this big talk, the Epstein files, the JFK files, and now we learn this.

Speaker 142 I would like to actually tell the American people, it was made aware to me this evening that NBC actually has a video that's never been seen before.

Speaker 142 We're actually going to be sending a letter requesting that from NBC because it allegedly shows Oswald near the vehicle when the assassination took place, which means that he couldn't have been the shooter.

Speaker 142 So, So again, we're tracking down all this information, but look, there's even a CIA document that came out that Mr.

Speaker 142 Morley pointed out that actually said that the CIA never bought the lone gunman theory.

Speaker 142 And so I think the American people had an inclination as to what we were saying, but we never had the hard evidence until now.

Speaker 142 And so it's important to note that in a free and fair society, how could you operate or have an agency operating in the shadows?

Speaker 142 And so kudos to President Trump, also Director Radcliffe, and Tulsi Gabbard for pushing for this transparency.

Speaker 142 It is going to be generational changing that they've done this, and we hope to bring forward legislation to ensure that this never happens again for future generations to come.

Speaker 56 This is very unclear to me.

Speaker 234 Did this information come out of the JFK files drop?

Speaker 32 This whole thing is a confused mess.

Speaker 1 That's bull, whatever she said, oh, it's going to be generational, it will never happen again. How do you prevent something from ever happening again when it's just illegal to begin with?

Speaker 8 I mean, what are they talking about?

Speaker 34 Well, apparently,

Speaker 1 all of a sudden, there's a picture of Oswald's video incidentally next to the car. Hey, I'm Ewan.

Speaker 91 I'm Oswald.

Speaker 219 It's film.

Speaker 89 And Oliver Stone had it too.

Speaker 211 You're saying NBC has been keeping this tape of Oswald under wraps?

Speaker 142 Correct. In fact,

Speaker 142 Director Stone actually told us that he was showed this tape, that it was a secondary copy, and that he said that this could blow open the entire GFK

Speaker 142 investigation. What I will also tell you, though, Jesse, is he said the NBC has been very, very much so guarding this tape.
And so I believe that that tape belongs to the American people.

Speaker 142 We are going to be sending a letter asking for that tape. And I would encourage everyone

Speaker 33 to ask NBC. She's

Speaker 9 Florida Representative Luna.

Speaker 91 Oh, this Luna?

Speaker 96 Is it Luna?

Speaker 32 Is she a bathing suit model?

Speaker 8 Oh, hold on a second.

Speaker 17 I didn't. Is she a bathing suit model?

Speaker 1 She's the one that looks good in the bikini, and they made a big fuss about it.

Speaker 1 Luna. She's kind of a Luna tick.

Speaker 103 Anna Polina Luna?

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's the bathing suit girl.

Speaker 147 Is there,

Speaker 69 let's see, I don't see any bathing suit pictures.

Speaker 1 Well, just type in Anna Polina Luna bathing suit.

Speaker 68 How about bikini?

Speaker 1 Bikini. Bikini.

Speaker 17 That's the same thing. All right.

Speaker 94 All right. All right.
All right.

Speaker 120 Oh.

Speaker 120 Oh.

Speaker 120 Oh, all right.

Speaker 38 Back to the videotape.

Speaker 142 We are going to be sending a letter asking for that tape, and I would encourage everyone to ask NBC to release that tape to the public.

Speaker 142 It's important, not just for our investigations, but so the American people know the truth as to what happened with John F. Kennedy.

Speaker 136 News flash. We're never going to know the truth.

Speaker 117 News flash, people.

Speaker 195 News flash.

Speaker 58 Brother.

Speaker 1 Luna's also causing some trouble with

Speaker 1 Johnson, the House Speaker. She's trying to do something, and I can't remember exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 Somebody in the troll room might know this, but she's making a big fuss about something. She wants it brought to the house floor or something, and she can't do it without

Speaker 1 Johnson. But there's some bypass mechanism she's working on causing a stir.

Speaker 21 This is so this, everything is a show.

Speaker 112 Everything is a show right now.

Speaker 136 My favorite was the Save the Spook operation over there at Columbia University.

Speaker 114 So we know, so SIPA,

Speaker 198 what does that school stand for?

Speaker 100 School for International Political

Speaker 1 Public

Speaker 1 School of International Spies.

Speaker 128 Public

Speaker 74 Administration or something like that. Spy School.

Speaker 75 Spy School.

Speaker 8 Spy School. Yes.

Speaker 237 University graduates today tore up their diplomas to protest the school's cooperation with the Trump administration.

Speaker 237 Graduates of the School of International and Public Affairs chanted Free Palestine as they destroyed their sheepskins. It was Alumni Day on campus.

Speaker 237 The protests are in support of Mahmoud Khalil, the Columbia grad student and protester now held by ICE agents. And they also object to the concessions made to curb protests on campus.

Speaker 237 Some protesters also calling for the dismissal of several Columbia University teachers and administrators.

Speaker 179 So these are alums who came by, tore up their sheepskins, which just looked like cardboard to me.

Speaker 68 Yeah, it looked like cardboard, which is paper.

Speaker 11 But they're all former spook school students.

Speaker 1 They didn't get a job in an agency, and so now they're pissed off.

Speaker 1 I don't know. The whole thing could be a scam.

Speaker 8 The world has gone crazy, man. The world has gone crazy.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. I didn't know that story.

Speaker 134 Well, with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage.

Speaker 107 Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in his chimes.

Speaker 220 Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr.

Speaker 84 John C.

Speaker 93 DeMora!

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the morning to you, the San Akranium on our ship, sea boots of the ground, feet in the air, subsiding the water, and all the names of nights out there.

Speaker 64 Say in in the morning to the trolls in the troll room.

Speaker 3 Hotel behind

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 3 mark

Speaker 89 89, 90, 2291.

Speaker 32 Okay, now you're low.

Speaker 174 Yeah, we're a little low.

Speaker 32 The last

Speaker 12 the last 10 show average 10% low.

Speaker 139 The last, yeah, the last 10 show average was 25.69.

Speaker 37 But why is that?

Speaker 161 Is there something going on?

Speaker 116 Because donations were short.

Speaker 1 Yeah, donations are lousy.

Speaker 1 We're losing support. I don't think people are.

Speaker 1 We're not talking enough. We're doing the same thing we always do.
It's a big mistake we make. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which is we don't talk about what everyone else is talking about as if it was something important.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And in this case,

Speaker 1 this

Speaker 1 spiral gate or whatever it's called.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 27 And we also don't have video.

Speaker 1 This is this is. And we don't have, well, the video, I don't think, is a crucial.

Speaker 87 I did have a...

Speaker 1 It is to get us on Valutainment.

Speaker 89 They keep trying to get us on Valutaine.

Speaker 1 Well, they're trying to get you on. No one's ever contacted me.

Speaker 20 Well, I did have a thought about this as we're, you know, we have said four more years, and we're in that right now.

Speaker 228 The final days, the final days, the final days.

Speaker 38 I did have an exit strategy, which you're going to roll your eyes when I tell you this.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me pre-roll.

Speaker 148 There you go.

Speaker 55 Do a pre-roll because I finally like, oh.

Speaker 72 And it was uh, there was some other bull crap award show, the 50 over 50 or something for podcast blah, blah,

Speaker 190 whatever it was.

Speaker 58 And then I'm like, there is, here is an award show, an award that only we can give this show,

Speaker 31 and it's completely valid and will be revalidated every year because I'm on the Rogan show with, you know, with Grace.

Speaker 103 I'm on once a year.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I've been on that show six times.

Speaker 133 I thought it was five, but it's six.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Pod Father. Diminishing Return.

Speaker 56 Are you ready? Are you ready?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 112 The Pod Father Awards.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like it.

Speaker 30 I knew you would.

Speaker 91 No, you said I'd roll my eyes. You didn't.
What a minute.

Speaker 39 What do you change your mind out of it?

Speaker 91 Oh, I knew you would.

Speaker 161 No, the fact that I...

Speaker 91 I'm prefacing, oh, you're going to roll your eyes.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I knew you'd like it.

Speaker 19 No, the fact that I'm in on an award show.

Speaker 61 That part I've always been against.

Speaker 195 But then I thought, why don't I exploit this?

Speaker 161 And there's people always on X yelling, you idiot, you nerd, he's not the pod father, Adam Curry's the pod father.

Speaker 82 And I have proof.

Speaker 129 And, and,

Speaker 51 and I think it's, it's possible.

Speaker 1 I want to stop you right now. I have been saying that we should be doing awards for a decade.

Speaker 10 There's the eye roll, but I never considered the kind.

Speaker 98 So, podcasting.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, you never considered since it was, you never, once it's named after you, you're in.

Speaker 161 Yes, I'm in now.

Speaker 108 This is, I'm i'm in this is it no you look this is no time for ego john there's no time for ego

Speaker 84 it can be no no no no it's not makes nothing but sense tech grouch awards just doesn't cut it all right then we can do those later it does not the same thing tech grouch awards will be great not to mention it but here's the trick it has to be a gala it has to be a gala

Speaker 8 Or

Speaker 8 as I like to say, a gala.

Speaker 24 Yeah, in America, they always say gala.

Speaker 30 It has to be a gala.

Speaker 19 I think the Brits say gala too, for some reason somebody says gala somebody says gala well we're gonna say gala and i think because he never shows up he never accepts an award i think if we have the the right award i can get joe rogan to come and and we can do it in his club

Speaker 8 how about that

Speaker 8 oh

Speaker 1 you're liking it right well i like it except for the fact that i may have to travel

Speaker 125 you don't you just have to write stuff and just post memes.

Speaker 117 You don't have to come if you don't want to.

Speaker 161 If it's too much trouble

Speaker 43 to come to the gala.

Speaker 136 If it's too much trouble to come to our Podfather Awards, and we need to come up with categories, but they have to be funny, fantastic categories.

Speaker 1 They have to be good categories.

Speaker 89 Well, yeah, like best value tainment.

Speaker 1 Not joke categories.

Speaker 19 How about best value tainment?

Speaker 93 See?

Speaker 20 Okay, well, you give me some ideas.

Speaker 59 How about longest podcasts with no information?

Speaker 1 We'd win that one.

Speaker 238 With no information.

Speaker 136 Candace Owens, ladies and gentlemen, the Pod Father Award.

Speaker 125 And what do we call them?

Speaker 31 Do we call them the Potties?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 18 The Potties.

Speaker 1 That would be the nickname that

Speaker 1 we'd rail against. People keep calling these the Potties, but it sounds like

Speaker 32 the Potty Training.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 38 So it would be, you can get an Oscar.

Speaker 1 Actually, the Potties is not POD. It's not a bad name.

Speaker 11 You get an Oscar.

Speaker 19 It's part of the, now it used to be a trifecta.

Speaker 111 It's just the Oscar.

Speaker 193 You get the Grammy Award.

Speaker 11 The Ergot.

Speaker 43 Oh, so we need the Pergot.

Speaker 105 You need for Purves.

Speaker 194 Now you need to add the Podfather Award.

Speaker 69 You are not complete unless you all.

Speaker 37 And everyone has a podcast.

Speaker 8 They can all win.

Speaker 11 All those actors are all.

Speaker 1 Okay, we have best comedy podcasts. That's one category for sure.
Yeah, and then you get some, you get some hot, you get Dana Carvey or somebody to come out.

Speaker 10 And we get those Libtards from the what is it?

Speaker 15 Jason, what's his face?

Speaker 154 What's the Libtard show?

Speaker 136 The one that held all the presents.

Speaker 8 J. Cal? J.

Speaker 96 Cal.

Speaker 11 On Jay Cal, he gets an award for sure.

Speaker 32 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 80 Best all-in podcast.

Speaker 194 Yeah, we can have best, best female podcaster.

Speaker 193 Think about that.

Speaker 1 No, we don't want to do a sexist stuff.

Speaker 33 Yes, we do. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Then, best trans podcast. Nah, no, best gay podcast.

Speaker 96 There's a hit.

Speaker 76 There's a hit. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 200 Yes. Okay.
Well,

Speaker 172 I just want you to think about it.

Speaker 8 You know, since I've got it, I'm in, but

Speaker 1 the categorization, I think you're already taking it too lightly.

Speaker 30 All right.

Speaker 28 Well, where's your ideas, Brainstorm?

Speaker 49 I.

Speaker 8 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've had nothing but ideas about this for a decade.

Speaker 38 Well, then spout them off.

Speaker 117 What are we doing?

Speaker 64 First of all,

Speaker 126 you have to pay to enter.

Speaker 18 Oh,

Speaker 62 no.

Speaker 113 Well, that's what all the podcast awards you have to pay to enter.

Speaker 29 No.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 1 You don't pay to enter the real awards. You don't pay to enter the Academy Awards.
You don't pay. You have to be a member of the Academy.
Oh, you don't pay.

Speaker 19 We have an Academy you have to be a member of.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe that's not a bad idea, the Academy of Podcasting. But they actually exist, and it's a horrible leftist organization.

Speaker 69 We want no part of it.

Speaker 8 Really?

Speaker 53 Yeah, the Podcast Academy.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Well, forget that.

Speaker 48 No.

Speaker 146 But how do we make money?

Speaker 1 Oh, you want to make me?

Speaker 1 I thought it was a promotional idea. The money-making is part of a promotion for the show.

Speaker 170 Oh,

Speaker 8 okay. Wow.

Speaker 1 Value for value. Oh, boy.

Speaker 30 Okay. Oh, there.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. You just wanted to cash in on some

Speaker 84 exit strategy.

Speaker 128 All of a sudden, fees?

Speaker 75 Exit strategy.

Speaker 39 Can we get it sponsored?

Speaker 1 Collecting fees?

Speaker 139 Can we get this thing sponsored by Squarespace?

Speaker 1 Now you're talking about it. Squarespace.

Speaker 168 Can we get it sponsored by Squarespace?

Speaker 35 We could do that. And Roe.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 96 Roe.

Speaker 1 Underwriting, sponsorships, advertising, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 94 Yes. Boner pills.

Speaker 11 We can do something.

Speaker 101 There's something in there for us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be fine with me.

Speaker 43 Okay.

Speaker 1 In fact, that's what I think is necessary to make the event work at all.

Speaker 85 Yeah, because we have to have a budget.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you get a budget from the underwriter.

Speaker 32 We give it away for free.

Speaker 157 I mean, people get it for free.

Speaker 92 They're just going to have to, you know.

Speaker 91 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 I can see that's not a problem.

Speaker 126 Fastest talker.

Speaker 40 Boom. There's Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 1 He's,

Speaker 1 yeah. Ben Shapiro, there's maybe one.
That girl that used to work for Ben Shapiro's operation, she's who sounds and looks like Ben Shapiro, that girl.

Speaker 82 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 She could win that.

Speaker 119 Everyone's saying, I'm selling out.

Speaker 1 Shoe on head needs an award.

Speaker 8 Shoe on head?

Speaker 120 Yeah.

Speaker 30 Man. All right.
Well,

Speaker 136 I have come up with the concept.

Speaker 45 It's up to you to take it over the finish.

Speaker 91 Yeah, we'll make it happen.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, sure.

Speaker 116 Jay's working on the website as we speak.

Speaker 174 Yeah, well, she could be.

Speaker 1 She's getting pretty good at that.

Speaker 125 Thank you to these trolls who are with us and contributing nicely.

Speaker 10 By the way, every troll gets free entry on the website.

Speaker 40 We should have the troll room just scrolling by during the Pod Father Awards.

Speaker 30 Huh? We could do that.

Speaker 86 Yeah, just big screens without just saying horrible things.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 168 Ben Shapiro comes up.

Speaker 98 Zionist.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 Pig.

Speaker 83 Zionist chill.

Speaker 16 We could get them all.

Speaker 38 I think it would be a hoot and annihilate.

Speaker 136 You do it in Austin.

Speaker 31 Everyone wants to come to Austin.

Speaker 36 There's always a flight to Austin.

Speaker 54 You do it in Joe's club.

Speaker 89 I think I could get Joe to do it.

Speaker 8 I think he would be okay with it.

Speaker 1 Well, if Joe would do it, let the club do it, then he wouldn't be a problem for him to accept an award.

Speaker 75 No, of course.

Speaker 32 Because he's there anyway. Yes.

Speaker 23 Best comedy podcast. Boom.

Speaker 8 There he is.

Speaker 95 He's done.

Speaker 1 Well, it's not a comedy podcast. Best interview show.

Speaker 115 It's listed under comedy.

Speaker 1 He can be listening under anything he wants.

Speaker 35 I'm not categorizing him as well.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so I don't watch that show and crack up.

Speaker 52 I'll expect a business plan by 3 p.m.

Speaker 1 You're not getting anything by 3 p.m.

Speaker 24 Thank you very much, trolls, for being with us.

Speaker 69 They're at trollroom.io, noagenda.stream, and of course, in the modern podcast apps, these are the ones you want to get.

Speaker 23 The Pod Father Awards will only be streamed live on the modern podcast apps, of course, and NBC this fall.

Speaker 21 You can get one of those at podcastapps.com.

Speaker 152 And as you just heard, we're about to sell out from our extremely successful model that we've been running for over 17 years, value for value.

Speaker 139 Although I do like the idea of just using the whole show as promotion, the whole Podfather Awards is promotion for no agenda.

Speaker 52 I think that's pretty good.

Speaker 27 But then we would have to kind of switch the video.

Speaker 16 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we do video. The awards can be videoed.

Speaker 8 Yes, yes, yeah. Well, it has to be a video.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we're not doing the podcast video.

Speaker 52 No way. No, no way.
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 53 You imagine.

Speaker 1 That would be in that same circle jerk.

Speaker 162 Although, let's think of all the podcasts we could be invited on.

Speaker 102 We finally get on value tapement.

Speaker 1 You can get on anytime that they want to do that.

Speaker 117 No, that's not true.

Speaker 134 No, they don't want me.

Speaker 99 They don't like me.

Speaker 17 I can tell.

Speaker 1 Why don't they like you, you think?

Speaker 94 I don't know, but everyone's always saying, get Curry on, get Curry on.

Speaker 76 And they'll post on X, Who should we get on the podcast?

Speaker 49 Who do you want to see?

Speaker 16 Curry, Curry, Curry, Curry, Curry, Dvorak, Dvorak, Curry, Curry, Curry, Curry.

Speaker 35 Never.

Speaker 8 Never.

Speaker 8 It's totally valid.

Speaker 117 I'm also baffled that Tucker Carlson hasn't invited me.

Speaker 1 I see you on Tucker.

Speaker 114 Yes, I do.

Speaker 104 I'm an interesting guy.

Speaker 1 I think Beck, go back to Beck. Beck has got a better audience.

Speaker 136 Yeah, but Beck wanted me to work for him, and I kind of turned him down.

Speaker 1 Yes, you keep saying that, but so what? He's still like, he still thinks you're his brother. He'll be glad to put you on the show.
He'll pitch you again.

Speaker 58 I got to have an angle, man.

Speaker 8 He's all in.

Speaker 24 He just did this whole thing on AI.

Speaker 40 And Beck's like, you know, this is happening.

Speaker 1 This is the new God. Oh, he's all in on AI?

Speaker 39 Oh, he talks to AI.

Speaker 8 He talks to AI.

Speaker 140 I was talking. Yes, he talks to AI.

Speaker 148 Hi, AI.

Speaker 44 Yeah, he really, he really believes that it's the new Gollum.

Speaker 52 You know, if you know the story of Gollum.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Gollum mud.

Speaker 35 Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 26 The Gollum, the Gollum character.

Speaker 126 Anyway, value for value.

Speaker 77 That's how we continue to roll for as long as we can.

Speaker 47 It was definitely shorter today than expected, but you're right.

Speaker 79 It's probably because there's no video and we're not talking about all the important stuff.

Speaker 1 We're not harping on that one thing.

Speaker 21 Like RFK Jr.'s blackmail scandal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it's all bullcrap. We don't talk bullcrap.
That's the thing. Yeah,

Speaker 32 it's a problem.

Speaker 1 They're not used to getting good material from us because we don't talk about nonsense.

Speaker 86 I met a cool guy yesterday in Fredericksburg.

Speaker 101 No, yeah, Saturday. Yeah.

Speaker 21 He's going to do some work with me, some development work.

Speaker 79 And I said, well, how long?

Speaker 23 He's 47. How long have you been listening?

Speaker 75 He says, oh, I've been listening almost from the beginning, but then I fell overboard for a long, long time.

Speaker 21 I didn't come back until 2018.

Speaker 8 Why'd you fall overboard?

Speaker 26 He says, well, you know, I worked in aerospace at Space Force for 20 years.

Speaker 53 And when you started talking crap about the moon landing, I got upset and I stopped listening.

Speaker 132 Like, wow.

Speaker 61 I had no idea.

Speaker 69 People got mad about that and would rage quit.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 120 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, Leo Laporte felt the same way.

Speaker 122 Yeah, he still does.

Speaker 234 Time, talent, or treasure.

Speaker 54 That's all we ask in return.

Speaker 86 Whatever value you receive from this program, and I think we do deliver the goods.

Speaker 87 We do give you value.

Speaker 19 It's definitely not what you're getting anywhere else.

Speaker 8 And maybe you'll look smart at a cocktail party, around the water cooler, or on the company, you know, at the Monday morning Zoom meeting.

Speaker 10 There's things, this intellectual, smart things you can say.

Speaker 99 And people will go, wow, I guess you don't read home and habits, do you?

Speaker 190 And one of the ways that we always enjoy is our artwork from our artists.

Speaker 44 And these artists, you know, I've noticed the artists are

Speaker 103 actually tricking us into believing that they're doing AI, but they're not.

Speaker 68 Just before we thank our artists for episode 1750, Sir Shug, who did Flexibleize on 1749,

Speaker 86 he said,

Speaker 31 thanks for the props in choosing one of my art pieces.

Speaker 51 Again, just to confirm, old school jazzer size artwork was indeed my inspiration.

Speaker 99 The listener involved in that original art was correct in her assessment.

Speaker 112 I hope it gave her a smile.

Speaker 61 But just so you know, no AI at all in that one.

Speaker 110 If I thought anything was AI, it was going to be that one.

Speaker 43 And so now I'm questioning Nico Syme because he did a dynamite piece, which it may not be AI.

Speaker 58 This could just be a well-done piece.

Speaker 87 It was the Liberty Juice.

Speaker 1 I think that's the idea. So we had a dinner table conversation because JC is in AI.
And talking about your complaint from the last show.

Speaker 87 sorry?

Speaker 87 Which complaint?

Speaker 110 There's a lot of complaints I have.

Speaker 1 Well, the main complaint that you tried to get AI to do some coding for you because big coding, coding.

Speaker 1 And he said that this is a known problem with AI.

Speaker 120 Oh.

Speaker 1 That unless you know what you're doing to begin with, in other words, you can code in the language and you're adept at it, AI can't do Jack.

Speaker 1 All it can do is help you a little bit.

Speaker 1 And I think it's the same thing with these artists. The guys who really have an artistic temperament that use AI, and I would put Darren O'Neill in that category,

Speaker 1 they know how to prompt. They have a sense of it, and they have a sense of everything.
And that's artistic because Darren O'Neill,

Speaker 1 for some unknown reason to us,

Speaker 1 he's a very artsy guy.

Speaker 1 And so, and other artists, Scaramanga is a good example, and there's others that know how to, Scaramanga can do, he can do animation and AI to the point where it's attracted Brunetti.

Speaker 178 Yes, I know.

Speaker 1 And so we have, it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 I can do some AI stuff with the art, but I can't do anything compared to, I mean, compared to what Darren can do because he's

Speaker 1 more of an artist than I am. And it's the same thing with coding.
So that was his comment.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 10 Well, so then the promise of AI is bullcrap is what you're saying.

Speaker 45 So unless you can actually write a book, AI won't be able to write a book for you.

Speaker 1 Exactly. And if you can't do art, AI can't do art for you.

Speaker 1 Now, the exception of this may be Comic Strip Blogger. But Comic Strip Blogger maybe is an artist in some way, and

Speaker 1 he just got pretty adept at using the prompts.

Speaker 111 Because he has AI butt art?

Speaker 97 He's just the butt guy.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 and he gets AI to do it.

Speaker 96 I mean, that's his special.

Speaker 106 He's a a butt expert. Okay.

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 it holds true.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so that was kind of the point. So it's augmentation rather than

Speaker 1 augmentation, not origination. Boom.

Speaker 131 So is that really worth $100 billion per company then?

Speaker 8 Of course not. No, okay.

Speaker 53 Thank you though.

Speaker 41 That might be a lot.

Speaker 128 But it's too late now.

Speaker 41 No, you wait.

Speaker 135 And the data centers scams falling apart.

Speaker 146 So

Speaker 80 we thank. Who are we thanking again?

Speaker 8 We were thankful. Nico Syme.

Speaker 41 Nico Syme, yes, for his artwork.

Speaker 43 Now,

Speaker 31 we both liked Tantanial's splesh, but we kind of really wanted that for a title.

Speaker 48 And

Speaker 1 I didn't think the art was that compelling.

Speaker 1 You like Darren O'Neal's Freedom Sap.

Speaker 18 Well, yes.

Speaker 87 The ultimate choice came between Liberty Juice from Nico Syme or Freedom Sap.

Speaker 57 from Darren O'Neill.

Speaker 102 And I even liked the fact that he had a better can

Speaker 21 description, the taste of freedom, 33 ounces, versus Nico Syme just had 12 ounces on there.

Speaker 89 But you have a problem with sap.

Speaker 114 You just don't like sap.

Speaker 1 I thought sap is an associative word, and anyone who listens to the no agenda shouldn't be seen as a sap.

Speaker 11 And I was going to use it for a lot of people.

Speaker 8 That's taking that far. Oh, okay.
Sorry. All right.

Speaker 1 And so I was thinking of using it. Well, I could use it for the newsletter because it's very attractive.
But then again, then I saw this little screaming meme-y thing by Dr. Kelly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I said that, I just saw that image. I don't know if that was AI or not, but it's just the screaming

Speaker 105 liberal.

Speaker 1 I mean, I just,

Speaker 1 I had to use that. So I ended up using that.

Speaker 100 By the way, just on

Speaker 193 that idea of it being a tool.

Speaker 205 So

Speaker 30 many people believe.

Speaker 40 That they know how to write a song and they go into AI and then they say, AI, write a song.

Speaker 21 They might give some lyrics or a snippet of lyrics.

Speaker 106 And then they send it to me and say, This is the best song ever.

Speaker 11 It's always a country song.

Speaker 73 I'd say 90% of it.

Speaker 1 Why is that, by the way? That's, I've heard, I've noticed this too.

Speaker 95 Because the least people in the world understand what a good country song is.

Speaker 30 The most people will think, oh, that's great.

Speaker 99 That's my feeling behind it.

Speaker 40 And the most people will know what a good hip-hop song is,

Speaker 138 and it's all atrocious it's no good and people just because it it's in tune and it rhymes and it comes up with a with a chorus be like this song is the best this is actually killing spotify well the inverse spotify is making tons of money there's you know hundreds of artists amazingly in sweden who are just flooding the so the whole business on spotify is playlists you have to get on a popular playlist that's that's how you get a hit and And you can buy your position.

Speaker 112 It starts at $5,000.

Speaker 58 And these playlist makers, they know what they're doing.

Speaker 134 They know how to make playlists.

Speaker 102 And Spotify promotes the playlists.

Speaker 154 It's all incestuous, believe me.

Speaker 102 So now Spotify is promoting all these different playlists.

Speaker 60 Oh, sleep at night, soft jazz, piano jazz, classical.

Speaker 61 And it's all AI-generated muck.

Speaker 69 And because it's AI-generated muck, they take all the money from it.

Speaker 36 They don't have to give it to

Speaker 127 the music publishers.

Speaker 13 Anyone, yeah.

Speaker 117 And

Speaker 79 I think it's going to be a very dark road they've taken by doing this.

Speaker 61 People are starting to notice.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a dark road to the bank.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 11 yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 135 Anyway, was there anything else we needed to mention?

Speaker 8 I kind of like the

Speaker 20 boomer pills.

Speaker 38 It wasn't good enough for art by also Nico Sign.

Speaker 1 Nico Sign. I was a Comic Strike blogger's Liberty Juice can.
I thought that was pretty good.

Speaker 135 Yeah, it didn't tickle my fancy.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't recommend it. You liked Signal Trap.

Speaker 92 Well, I said it was interesting, but the signal, it had to be blue.

Speaker 31 It had to look more like a signal.

Speaker 36 It was too obscure.

Speaker 133 Too obscure. Sir Shug did that one.

Speaker 146 Anyway, thank you, Nico Syme.

Speaker 107 Good work.

Speaker 10 Thank you.

Speaker 58 We appreciate it, and we appreciate what everybody does to support the show because that is actual money in the bank for us, money we don't have to spend on doing these types of things.

Speaker 43 But we do need to pay bills, strangely enough.

Speaker 45 So for that, we thank all of our financial supporters who delivered value back to the show, $50 and above.

Speaker 79 And we'd like to give a special thanks to our executive and associate executive producers.

Speaker 21 These are the ones who come in $200 or above.

Speaker 44 Now, if you do that, you get an associate executive producer credit, just like Hollywood.

Speaker 61 In fact, go to imdb.com, you can see many Hollywood bigwigs like Dana Brunetti, known from 50 Shades of Gray and 50 Shades of Grayer, and

Speaker 69 Gran Turismo and

Speaker 82 House of Cards.

Speaker 136 I mean, it's no lightweight.

Speaker 1 Non-ending.

Speaker 99 Non-ending. That's right.

Speaker 114 And we'll read your note.

Speaker 195 $300 or above.

Speaker 112 You get an executive producer credit and we'll read your note.

Speaker 37 And we kick it off with Commodore Mech.

Speaker 115 That is because he becomes a Commodore today, I believe.

Speaker 17 No, maybe not.

Speaker 69 was was he already a commodore let me just check for a second i think he got i think it's today i could be wrong let me i i can double check yes he may want to be knighted no he wants to be knighted but he becomes a commodore today so already gave hundred i mean whatever it is commodore and a knight he's from cherry hill new jersey home of eddie murphy and comes in with $500 and says, Karma, please, I finally looked over my previous donations.

Speaker 36 And with this donation, I have surpassed $1,000.

Speaker 31 That is the magic level.

Speaker 19 That means not only will we become a Commodore of the No Agenda Show, but also a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.

Speaker 10 And we will knight you, Sermeck, later on.

Speaker 139 And he asks for a karma. Here it comes.

Speaker 222 You've got karma.

Speaker 1 And then we go to Poland, of all places, and Sir Mark comes in from Poland, 500 bucks.

Speaker 120 Wow.

Speaker 1 He's in Warsaw, as a matter of fact, and he wants to be a commander.

Speaker 1 He's doing a commodore is what you're going to get.

Speaker 1 Just sending karma to everybody. So he put a karma on it.
All right.

Speaker 222 You've got karma.

Speaker 207 Eric Kessler is in Kansas City, Missouri.

Speaker 69 $350.93.

Speaker 52 Must be with some fees added there.

Speaker 31 Thank you, John and Adam, for your courage.

Speaker 8 It's provided me with a better education than all my years of higher education.

Speaker 157 Cheers.

Speaker 217 How about that?

Speaker 107 We don't have video,

Speaker 72 but we do deliver some value.

Speaker 127 Proof right there.

Speaker 1 That's because we're an actual podcast.

Speaker 133 Yes, we are podcasts.

Speaker 1 Indy, No Agenda Meetup comes in from Greenwood, Indiana. They send a note in and a check and $333

Speaker 1 with the raffle

Speaker 1 switcheroo.

Speaker 1 And this one goes to Sir Ripper.

Speaker 32 Sir Ripper.

Speaker 30 Ripoff. Ripoff.

Speaker 1 Ripoff. Oh, that's what it is.
Sorry. Sir, Rip Off the Maple.

Speaker 91 No note.

Speaker 1 So double up the Karma.

Speaker 32 All right.

Speaker 85 We shall do that right away.

Speaker 89 Double up Karma.

Speaker 222 You've got.

Speaker 64 Karma.

Speaker 78 And we're here at the Associate Executive Producers, where where we always find some favorites.

Speaker 90 Eli, the coffee guy from Bensonville, Illinois, 203.30.

Speaker 40 And he says, I recommended No Agenda to a Buddy and explained how the show is about media deconstruction.

Speaker 28 His response was, well, that must keep those guys busy 16 plus hours a day with all the BS out there.

Speaker 8 Correct.

Speaker 19 So thank you, John and Adam, for your courage and the hard work.

Speaker 9 And for everyone working hard at their craft, visit gigawattcoffee roasters.com.

Speaker 61 Get some great coffee to keep you going and to get you going and keep you going.

Speaker 19 Use code ITM20 for 20% off your first order and stay caffeinated.

Speaker 78 Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy.

Speaker 1 Nick G in Mesa, Arizona, $200.

Speaker 1 Heard donations were really bad last show. Yeah.
Yep.

Speaker 1 This show, too. Consider this my reparation donation for listening.

Speaker 1 For listening for a couple of years, but never donating. Thanks.
He needs a dedouching. All right.

Speaker 33 You've been dedouched.

Speaker 1 Thanks for your hard work providing an excellent product. I've heard bits and pieces, but would love to hear the origin story of how you two started the show many years ago.

Speaker 1 Well, there is an episode out there that does this. It's episode 200.
I don't know what.

Speaker 8 Well,

Speaker 43 100, 100.5, 200, 200.

Speaker 39 We thought it was 100.

Speaker 195 No, we had 100.

Speaker 58 100, 100.5.

Speaker 67 We've done these many times.

Speaker 1 No, I know, but I thought it was 200.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5.

Speaker 75 It's real simple.

Speaker 139 That's where you explain it.

Speaker 1 Well, anyway,

Speaker 1 I'm not going to explain it. People should listen to that episode.

Speaker 1 I think it's either 100 or 200.

Speaker 37 Oh, wait, no, 100 is when I quit.

Speaker 17 That's right.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. You quit at 100.
It's 200 that we did this.

Speaker 234 200.5. 200.5 is what everyone says.

Speaker 135 200.5.

Speaker 35 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 32 So I was right at the beginning.

Speaker 108 You're always right.

Speaker 33 I am. Yep.

Speaker 70 C podcast awards.

Speaker 43 Podfather awards.

Speaker 1 Podfather. Now you're

Speaker 42 already dropped them.

Speaker 110 Podfather awards.

Speaker 26 It's the official podfather awards.

Speaker 8 No, the podies.

Speaker 19 We're not going to call it the poddies.

Speaker 42 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage John C.

Speaker 120 Dvorak.

Speaker 40 Yeah, and you come out in your tuxedo.

Speaker 95 Everyone's hooting and hollering.

Speaker 13 With chicks, with chicks, John Babes.

Speaker 1 One on each arm.

Speaker 57 One on each arm. A babe on each arm.

Speaker 75 Perfect. Yeah.
That's the way you do it. Yep.

Speaker 169 All right. You're up with.

Speaker 161 No, you didn't finish. You didn't finish.

Speaker 1 I didn't know. Thanks for all your hard work providing an excellent product.
I've heard of bits and pieces, but love to hear the origin story of how you started the show.

Speaker 1 We just talked about that many years ago. Cheers.
Okay.

Speaker 39 Cheers. You're right.

Speaker 114 Cheers.

Speaker 59 Justine in Plainville, Connecticut.

Speaker 10 We're at the end here, almost $200.

Speaker 234 Dear Adam and John, I've been listening to the show since pre-COVID.

Speaker 19 When I got married, I got my husband hooked, and now he's a bigger fan than I am.

Speaker 49 Can you please wish my husband, Carl, a happy 34th birthday with a birthday biscuit jingle?

Speaker 142 They always give me a biscuit on my birthday, as well as a karma for our third human resource that we've been trying for.

Speaker 31 Oh, wait a minute.

Speaker 79 That's a baby-making karma.

Speaker 46 We've got to do the proper karma.

Speaker 53 Can't hand out the wrong karma.

Speaker 136 Best from Justine from Plainville, Connecticut.

Speaker 189 Yes, absolutely. And remember.

Speaker 64 Karma.

Speaker 22 Any kid will have to be named after us.

Speaker 1 Linda Lou Patkin wraps it up from Lakewood, Colorado with $200 and asks for jobs karma and says, for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to imagemakersinc.com.

Speaker 1 For all your executive resume and job search needs, that's ImageMakers Inc. with a K.
And work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes.

Speaker 155 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

Speaker 203 Let's vote for jobs.

Speaker 224 You thought

Speaker 64 come in.

Speaker 8 And that's it.

Speaker 10 Short list for executive and associate executive producers, but they did produce two Commodores and the Knight, so we'll be bestowing them with those awards later on in our second half.

Speaker 52 Thank you so much.

Speaker 131 Of course, you can donate any amount.

Speaker 194 Numerology, people seem to like that.

Speaker 131 Any frequency, it's all incredibly welcome.

Speaker 116 Go to noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 73 And if you have a sustaining donation, please check it.

Speaker 179 Make sure that it's still in play.

Speaker 21 These get canceled. You get no notification.

Speaker 116 If you don't have one, what are you waiting for?

Speaker 89 Support the show during these slow show days.

Speaker 19 Noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 207 Any amount, any frequency, noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 84 Our formula is this:

Speaker 2 we go out, we hit people in the mouth.

Speaker 1 I have a request from one of the producers.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 1 Here, let me get up.

Speaker 30 Oh, my head.

Speaker 112 And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the kind of comedy you can expect at the Pod Father Awards at the Mothership in Austin.

Speaker 1 So, you know, there's another.

Speaker 1 I don't know who this guy's aware of what's going on, but Macron seems to be going nuts.

Speaker 35 Yeah,

Speaker 152 I've noticed that.

Speaker 103 Well, you know, he's married to a dude, so that's part of the problem.

Speaker 8 I think he is.

Speaker 49 And Candace Owens is not letting up on it.

Speaker 1 No, this is her main thing.

Speaker 1 She also thinks Schumer's married to a dude.

Speaker 20 Oh, wait, but has she said yet that Mother Teresa was Fauci's mom and that she's a dude?

Speaker 35 Because that is the best one I've heard.

Speaker 1 No, I have not heard that one.

Speaker 200 Oh, yeah, it's exclusive right here on the show.

Speaker 1 Let's play a couple of clips. I got the France-China climate crap from NHK.

Speaker 49 Okay, let's do that.

Speaker 221 China says it has agreed to bolster cooperation with France in maintaining multilateralism in global trade and combating climate change.

Speaker 221 The two sides met on Thursday in Beijing against the backdrop of Washington's America-First policy.

Speaker 221 Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and his French counterpart Jean-Noël Barrot issued a joint statement marking the 10th anniversary of the Paris Agreement on climate change.

Speaker 240 The responsibility of our two countries is also to jointly propose solutions to global challenges as we did 10 years ago to contribute to the conclusion of the Paris Climate Agreement.

Speaker 241 The two sides of China and Europe should insist on being mutually beneficial and win-win partners and open up new prospects for bilateral cooperation by properly resolving the specific problems that exist through consultation.

Speaker 221 In an apparent reference to Trump's decision to pull the U.S.

Speaker 221 out of the Paris Accord, the statement says: The regression of certain countries from scientific consensus and their withdrawal from multilateral institutions will only strengthen our determination and actions.

Speaker 99 Oh, well, there's more money you can spend, Frank.

Speaker 1 Don't I recall that when China joined the Paris Accords, that they said, Yeah, we're going to do all this and that and the other. In 2035.

Speaker 1 Yeah, something or 2030 or 2035. And they said, that's when it's going to happen.

Speaker 29 And so what is the,

Speaker 1 can you get away with that forever? This bull crap that you're just, oh, yeah, we're all in, but in 2030.

Speaker 117 Well, yeah, because no one cares because they're all in it for the money. Even Al Gore, he's back again.

Speaker 114 He's running around.

Speaker 37 Is it too late, Vice President Gore?

Speaker 58 Well, no, it's never too late.

Speaker 134 No, I'd be out of a job if it was too late.

Speaker 50 It's not too late, but you know, a lot of damage has been done.

Speaker 1 And so here's Macron going on and on about Ukraine now and trying to set up shop.

Speaker 224 French President Emmanuel Macron says a Franco-British delegation will soon visit Ukraine to plan for the deployment of what he called a reassurance force.

Speaker 224 The troops' role would be to guarantee an reassurance force.

Speaker 187 I gotta write that down.

Speaker 111 What does that even mean?

Speaker 206 I have no.

Speaker 91 It doesn't

Speaker 75 reassurance force

Speaker 224 plan for the deployment of what he called a reassurance force.

Speaker 224 The troops' role would be to guarantee an eventual ceasefire with Russia. Macron hosted a summit of leaders of about 30 nations and organizations in Paris on Thursday to discuss support for Ukraine.

Speaker 224 Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zerensky also attended. Macron told reporters after a meeting the participants unanimously agreed the time was not right to lift sanctions on Moscow.

Speaker 224 White House officials said Tuesday Washington had agreed in separate talks with Moscow and Kyiv that safe navigation would be ensured in the Black Sea and the use of force would end in those waters.

Speaker 224 But Russia has insisted some sanctions must be lifted before the agreement can take effect.

Speaker 224 Speaking of the Paris summit, Zelensky said Russian President Vladimir Putin is not ready for direct negotiations. The Ukrainian leader added that he is ready for negotiations in any format.

Speaker 81 Force

Speaker 101 armes? No, it would be

Speaker 92 force reassurance. Armes reassurance.

Speaker 95 This doesn't sound right.

Speaker 1 Reassurance of what?

Speaker 8 Force.

Speaker 8 We're going to reassure that we have force. I don't know.

Speaker 17 Reassurance.

Speaker 152 Sounds like something Warren Buffett sells.

Speaker 42 That's reinsurance. Oh, reinsurance.
Reinsurance.

Speaker 114 I came across a crazy ad

Speaker 26 that I'd like to share with you.

Speaker 170 And

Speaker 200 it just,

Speaker 8 and I guess

Speaker 20 it comes on the heels of, you know,

Speaker 28 there's a producer who I donated too late for today's show.

Speaker 21 Sent me a really long note.

Speaker 146 Did you see that note come in by any chance?

Speaker 6 I'm sorry, what?

Speaker 152 A producer sent a really long note

Speaker 154 that came in too late for today's show.

Speaker 1 I didn't see it.

Speaker 21 And it was about

Speaker 19 pharma advertising.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 53 And let me see if I can find it real quick.

Speaker 47 The crux was

Speaker 15 please stop talking about

Speaker 169 RFK

Speaker 53 removing pharma advertising.

Speaker 12 Why should we stop talking about it?

Speaker 19 Because that's going to kill my business.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, what's it got to do?

Speaker 1 We're not working for him. Does he send us enough money to

Speaker 1 stop talking about this stuff?

Speaker 136 Get on that Linda Lupakin train.

Speaker 73 Well, you know, he says this is one of the biggest businesses.

Speaker 21 It's so much money for people who are advertising creatives that

Speaker 95 it's going to kill their industry.

Speaker 1 But that's just the advertising industry. There's other things that need advertising.

Speaker 117 Well, no one wants to lose their job.

Speaker 104 Let's understand that.

Speaker 1 But well, no, but why would you lose your job if you lose it? It's called losing an account.

Speaker 37 Well, but it's the biggest accounts.

Speaker 70 The point of the the producer's point was the biggest account.

Speaker 1 There you go. Now you're talking.

Speaker 19 It's the biggest accounts. Yeah.

Speaker 43 Said, you guys don't talk negative about Coca-Cola and Pepsi, which are n other big accounts.

Speaker 21 Said, we don't. That's correct.
We should.

Speaker 79 You know that did you know there was a whole uh influencer campaign for

Speaker 19 sugary drinks that a whole bunch of

Speaker 103 right-wing influencers were on the money train for?

Speaker 32 No, tell me about it.

Speaker 82 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Another thing we missed out on because

Speaker 1 we're legit.

Speaker 32 Because we're legit.

Speaker 40 There are people apologizing, like, oh, I'm sorry. It was because they're talking about taking sugary drinks off of snap.

Speaker 139 And so then some genius in sugary drink land, which could either be Coca-Cola or PepsiCo, I don't know if there's much more, came up with an idea.

Speaker 122 I know what we'll do.

Speaker 9 We'll get a whole bunch of those MAGA people to talk positive and say, oh, don't take that off Snap. It's good.

Speaker 1 It's good for children.

Speaker 43 And they got paid.

Speaker 134 And they got paid.

Speaker 123 And good money, apparently.

Speaker 134 Anyway, I think there's my point would be, I think there's plenty of room for imagination and creativity in advertising.

Speaker 110 Have a listen.

Speaker 242 Imagine a toilet so striking it inspired a couture dress.

Speaker 144 That's right.

Speaker 242 Kohler's Veil Smart Toilet in Honed Black actually inspired fashion designer Laura Kim to create a stunning black chiffon dress that debuted on the runway at New York Fashion Week.

Speaker 242 The Veil Smart Toilet, with its curved design, deep, rich, textural color, touchscreen controls, and customizable cleansing features can transform your routine into something extraordinary.

Speaker 242 That's the power of design. Design changes everything.
Veil Smart Toilet in Honed Black, only from Kohler.

Speaker 242 Discover the Veil Smart Toilet and go behind the scenes of Kohler's partnership with creative director Laura Kim at kohler.com.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you. When the runway model came down the runway, did anyone try to jiggle her handle?

Speaker 147 There it is.

Speaker 19 I was waiting for something.

Speaker 16 That's very creative.

Speaker 38 How do we do an ad for a smart toilet?

Speaker 37 And now I want one of these.

Speaker 32 A smart toilet? Yeah, why not?

Speaker 169 It has a.

Speaker 1 Everybody's got one but me.

Speaker 21 I don't have a smart toilet.

Speaker 1 Horowitz has got one. He's got a smart toilet.
He's got a couple of them.

Speaker 89 What do these smart toilets do?

Speaker 1 Well, when you walk in the bathroom, the toilet opens up and greets you.

Speaker 83 Wait, wait,

Speaker 106 does it do like this?

Speaker 110 You are being recorded.

Speaker 39 Does it do one of those?

Speaker 51 Not yet.

Speaker 17 Kohler smart toilet.

Speaker 8 Really?

Speaker 134 How come everyone...

Speaker 82 Oh.

Speaker 110 Well, I see what they're talking about.

Speaker 115 This is some.

Speaker 162 It looks like a box that you're pooping.

Speaker 39 This is a smart box.

Speaker 1 Exactly. It's a box you're pooping.

Speaker 64 It's amazing, this thing.

Speaker 8 It's a square box with a seat and you poop in it, but it reminds me of Haute Couture.

Speaker 1 You still have to jiggle the handle no matter what you do.

Speaker 90 Yes, I would like to get a report from you, from Andrew Horowitz, exactly what has this toilet been discussed on DHS.

Speaker 1 I don't think, yeah, it's been discussed on the show, but I don't think it's the box. It's just,

Speaker 1 you know, it's a toilet.

Speaker 31 Well, if you're going to get a toilet, you might as well get a designer toilet.

Speaker 122 And that apparently is a square box.

Speaker 8 It looks like, yeah, it's just a square box with a hole in the top.

Speaker 127 Even the lid is square.

Speaker 12 It's called an outhouse.

Speaker 34 To poop in.

Speaker 1 And you go in the backyard. Okay.
I have a series of clips on in cells.

Speaker 8 Oh,

Speaker 1 which became a topic of conversation on one of the networks.

Speaker 94 I remember it well.

Speaker 1 And this is called Black Pill. And I got this a bunch of clips.
And if you want to hear them and talk about this, because I think this is bogus, they make it sound as though it's a club.

Speaker 197 We're going to a book now. It's just been published.
It's called Black Pill.

Speaker 111 Wait, is this the BBC World Service?

Speaker 30 I won't do the jingle.

Speaker 195 I won't do the jingle.

Speaker 197 And it looks at the incel, by which I mean involuntary celibates movement, and draws on interviews with

Speaker 83 Western.

Speaker 89 The movement should check out the new smart toilet from Kohler.

Speaker 197 It's been written by Maeve Park, and the idea is to help explain incels and the culture that creates them and what they believe.

Speaker 197 I spoke to Maeve Park earlier and asked, first of all, just to do a definition of terms, as it were, what does the title blackpilled mean, and how does she define the term incel?

Speaker 243 The term black pilled is the name of the ideology we're seeing subscribe to incels. It's a nihilistic worldview with misogyny as well.
And the term incel literally means involuntary celibate.

Speaker 243 However, the term is used within this group of people, mostly congregating online, who subscribe to the beliefs of the black pill so they can believe in the nihilistic version of life or the misogynistic, wrapped into one kind of ideological worldview.

Speaker 243 Very bleak, very much about men being suppressed, and very much about if you're not attractive enough, your hope in life is you don't really have a lot of hope in life.

Speaker 243 So, kind of a fatalistic, catastrophic, nihilistic worldview with misogyny very much attached into it as well.

Speaker 130 Okay, hold on a second.

Speaker 87 So you have

Speaker 106 five clips from the BBC about black pill, yet they can't fill three clips with any information about turkey?

Speaker 1 Turkey A.

Speaker 96 Turkey A?

Speaker 1 They can't even pronounce it right.

Speaker 40 No, I'm very familiar with black pill.

Speaker 53 This has been a term that's been around.

Speaker 1 I'm unfamiliar with all this.

Speaker 16 Well, you should ask the kids at the table.

Speaker 1 They're all married. I mean, I don't think any black pillars are around.

Speaker 43 A lot.

Speaker 1 You have to have a black pillar in the family, it seems to me.

Speaker 114 Well, this is a real thing.

Speaker 40 I'd never really heard about how it was filled with misogyny, though.

Speaker 135 That's an interesting take.

Speaker 92 So I'm excited to hear the rest of the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I think I've heard that part.

Speaker 1 Because these guys, you know, they can't get a date. They can't look a girl in the eye.

Speaker 168 But black pill is not necessarily incel.

Speaker 54 Black pill is you see no future for the world and you're just

Speaker 1 well according to this woman black pill is incels.

Speaker 243 so age isn't part of the definition no age is not part of the definition in the online world for incels they actually um tend to be in their mid twenties and they tend to kind of start around 19 and the oldest incels i've come across online would be in their mid 30s so there is a kind of a broad age group there as well and the basic idea is they've never found a girlfriend and

Speaker 197 they blame the world

Speaker 1 this is the second time this guy's done that and i don't know that as part of the British accent. I've never noticed this before, but he did it the first clip.
He's done it again. What did he do?

Speaker 1 He says idea.

Speaker 46 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 22 Oh, that's a very, you know, that's a New England thing, too.

Speaker 79 My mom would say, idea.

Speaker 87 What's the idea?

Speaker 47 So it is a derivative.

Speaker 21 It is a British thing, idea.

Speaker 19 There's no R in idea.

Speaker 32 But dear. But

Speaker 234 BBC also can't seem to say Turkey A.

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 18 that's fair as well.

Speaker 197 And the basic idea is they've never found found a girlfriend and they blame the world for that.

Speaker 243 Yeah, the basic idea is that, yeah, that is true.

Speaker 243 Yeah, so they believe that because they haven't had any romantic partners or even gone on dates or had any success in that kind of arena, that they feel that there's something either very much wrong with them or wrong with society.

Speaker 243 And they're kind of taking that out in a very much a resentment-build ideology and a very kind of fatalistic manner as well.

Speaker 197 And that can get violent.

Speaker 243 It can get violent. We have seen violence coming from this kind of ideology and this worldview, and we've seen some mass shootings and mass homicide coming from it.

Speaker 243 One of the earliest mass shootings was in the 2014 Isla Vista shooting in California. It was carried out by a young man called Elliot Roger.
He was 21 at the time.

Speaker 243 And he shot and killed six people, including himself. And then from that, we've also seen other types of violence coming out of the worldview as well.

Speaker 243 We've seen sexual harassment, stalking, abuse, abuse online, and there has been a wide variety of harms coming out. And then some of the violence that we're seeing is also suicide as well.

Speaker 47 Well, this is no laughing matter, and there's a lot of data to back up this problem that young men have a very hard time

Speaker 95 finding a mate, just someone to date, mainly because...

Speaker 60 Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, you would say what you think is mainly because, because I have a mainly because.

Speaker 35 Well,

Speaker 95 the problem is from two sides.

Speaker 48 On the female side,

Speaker 19 many young girls are only interested in

Speaker 30 a very

Speaker 147 successful, they want influencers, they want money,

Speaker 21 they want, you got to have money, you got to show cash, you got to have money.

Speaker 73 And I'm generalizing, but I think it's true in general.

Speaker 139 On the young men side, there's no place for them to go meet girls, so it's only online.

Speaker 168 And the only online experience they have is an overabundance of porn.

Speaker 146 So when they finally

Speaker 19 meet or have a date, all they can think about is porn.

Speaker 36 And I was talking to the barista here at Java Ranch, nice girl.

Speaker 79 She says, Adam, I can't, you know, these are all young kids.

Speaker 63 I can't find a man to date.

Speaker 37 And I said, well, what do you mean?

Speaker 44 When you meet them, oh, this is horrible.

Speaker 8 All they want is one thing, and it's all like aggressive.

Speaker 92 And it's just, it's, it's horrible.

Speaker 73 So I think that's, that's what's going on here.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Okay.
I mean, I think that's, that is the result of the real problem.

Speaker 72 Okay.

Speaker 1 When I was a kid. Here we go.
Yeah, here we go. Yes.
When I was a kid in the second grade, the third grade, the fourth grade, even the first grade, I think, we were forced to learn different dances.

Speaker 1 We had to dance with girls.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 1 We were dancing at the cha-cha. They would teach us the cha-cha-cha, the rumba, every stupid dance imaginable, and you had to dance.
And square dancing was also a big thing.

Speaker 1 You had to learn how to do that.

Speaker 1 And so by the time you were in the sixth grade, you knew how to at least, you know, step around and you were, oh, you were handling girls because you had to dance with girls.

Speaker 1 You weren't dancing with guys.

Speaker 1 And so, and there was always the class that was about half and half. So you'd get a, you know, and you'd switch partners and you always, you'd be very familiarized.

Speaker 1 And then by the time you got to high school, they had the sock hop, which I bitch about and moan and groan about constantly. It's another old thing that's long gone.

Speaker 1 And the reason for the sock hop was in the gym and you had had to wear socks because they didn't want to scratch up the gym floor, is the reason for it being socks.

Speaker 1 But they did all these dances, and people would stand around and then they pick back. There was

Speaker 1 forced socialization at the school level when you were a little kid that has disappeared. That is causing all the rest of it.

Speaker 111 That was John C. DeVorx

Speaker 77 Boomer update. Yeah.

Speaker 89 Well, there was also something called Cotillion.

Speaker 19 That was more a southern thing, I think.

Speaker 14 Cotillion. Yep.

Speaker 129 Same idea.

Speaker 43 I think you are absolutely right.

Speaker 146 Now, you have to add to that that the schools have become exactly the opposite.

Speaker 161 Oh, oh, no, you know, you have to ask permission and you can't look at anyone and it's a toxic masculinity.

Speaker 30 And the whole society, you're right.

Speaker 106 Society is screwed.

Speaker 8 You're right.

Speaker 8 You're right.

Speaker 37 And so these boys,

Speaker 217 they fall into a black hole of gaming.

Speaker 31 And if they're unlucky,

Speaker 103 they get

Speaker 172 hypnotized into

Speaker 21 trans stuff,

Speaker 52 which was covered on the show.

Speaker 79 And they go all goth and then they turn into women.

Speaker 8 It's the whole thing.

Speaker 17 We're doomed, people.

Speaker 30 We're doomed.

Speaker 11 Homeschool and get your dance on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the homeschooling doesn't do the forced socialization quite like real school used to do, but they don't do it anymore, so you might as well homeschool. Let's go to clip three.

Speaker 197 Now, one of the striking things seeing your book was that the people you interviewed were UK, this is where they were, UK, Canada, USA, Australia, France, Germany. Is this a Western phenomenon?

Speaker 243 It's not a Western phenomenon, but I was going, I was researching the Anglosphere incel communities, which was an interesting finding to see that there were people who came from non-English-speaking countries taking part in the English-speaking incel communities.

Speaker 243 However, we have discovered discovered that there are non-English Insul communities. There are French communities, there are Indian communities, there are South Korean.
It spans the world.

Speaker 243 And now we're seeing even some African communities coming up.

Speaker 243 So it's not just a Western problem or a Western issue, but we are seeing maybe the Western Insul communities being, they're probably the older communities.

Speaker 243 They have a lot more of the worldview established and they really resonate around the media messages of the West, mostly coming from an American kind of media culture.

Speaker 100 You know, it's not just

Speaker 14 from your generation, but when I was growing up at the

Speaker 36 Dorps house, I grew up in a small village south of Amsterdam.

Speaker 24 We had a like a little community.

Speaker 103 What do you call that?

Speaker 21 Where the community comes together as a hall.

Speaker 72 What do you call it? Community community.

Speaker 1 When I was back to

Speaker 85 back that up, we had a boys-girls' club kind of thing on it.

Speaker 1 It was called the Community Center. It was in Newark, and the Community Center would have these dances every Friday and Saturday

Speaker 1 when you were in grammar school.

Speaker 32 Well, what happened?

Speaker 1 And they had other situations.

Speaker 1 There were dancing with

Speaker 1 forced dancing because it was a socialization thing.

Speaker 1 And I would say it's forced.

Speaker 1 Yes. Forced dancing.

Speaker 1 We never had in cells. We didn't have the idea of somebody living with their parents until they're in their 30s because they can't get a date.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is all new, and it has a lot to do with the lack of socialization as a young adult, as a young, no, I need not young adult, a kid.

Speaker 40 Well, I was going to add to that that we had

Speaker 40 once a year there was dance lessons and everybody would sign up for dance lessons.

Speaker 112 And you'd all go there and that was a version, it wasn't school organized, but it was village organized. Like, hey, let's

Speaker 139 change up for dance lessons.

Speaker 44 And everybody did it.

Speaker 130 You didn't want to be the schmuck that didn't go.

Speaker 146 And no one could dance.

Speaker 64 So that's why I went to dance lessons.

Speaker 94 And it was the same thing.

Speaker 37 And of course, I didn't go to dance lessons, and I became an incel.

Speaker 19 But then I got on the radio and things changed.

Speaker 1 You've been married three times. You're not an incel.
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. You had to go there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 One word.

Speaker 197 So, do you think this is one of those things that's happening because of the internet? You know, these people like this have always existed, but they've been isolated and now they're not.

Speaker 197 They're part of a group.

Speaker 243 I would say yes, that is definitely true and that is why we're seeing kind of a community build around people who couldn't find community.

Speaker 243 I often say that the incels online are the most exclusive club in a very strange way. They're very clear about who is incel, who is not incel and who would fit in their criteria.

Speaker 243 However, there are all a bunch of people who did not find community outside of these groups. So in a strange way, they are the outsiders now building a group for themselves online.

Speaker 243 However, as you said, yes, there have always been people who have been left out, ostracized. And incels, not all of them would be misogynistic, not all of them would be violent.

Speaker 243 Many of them are nihilistic, very much self-hating, and would not take their vengeance or resentment out on others.

Speaker 243 But yes, the internet has allowed for this kind of ideologies to spread around and people who may not have found these ideologies before to find them. And that's what we're seeing with the internet.

Speaker 197 You've used the term nihilistic quite a lot. So can you just talk us through that? When you interview one of these young men, how does that manifest itself, that nihilism?

Speaker 243 Very much a feeling that nothing will ever work out for me, that there is no hope for me, that I may as well drop out of society.

Speaker 243 Meaning, if you're young, dropping out of university, dropping out of school, not attempting to find a job, not leaving your house, not going outside or having any conversations with anyone, becoming very reclusive, and feeling like that is your kind of fate at a very young age, which is very difficult, but also very damaging for their life, for their sense of well-being.

Speaker 243 And I've met many people in their mid-30s who have gone through that in their early 20s and are now kind of seeing the impact of that, where they have no social circle, they have no financial, they have no ability to get a job, a salary.

Speaker 243 And so their situation has become very bleak.

Speaker 152 They can always become artists for the No Agenda Show.

Speaker 1 Again, we have no explanation for any of this. It's just a phenomenon,

Speaker 1 which is

Speaker 1 your complaint about the BBC from the earlier clips.

Speaker 58 Yeah, but

Speaker 86 you didn't have to stretch it out for eight minutes.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, but we're going to wrap it now.

Speaker 243 It's a self-fulfilling prophecy in many ways.

Speaker 11 There's no complaining.

Speaker 16 Let's hold hands and share a secret.

Speaker 243 So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy in many ways, anyways, and very damaging for young people getting involved in that for that reason as well.

Speaker 197 Always male or sometimes female incels?

Speaker 243 Interestingly enough, there are some women in cells. There's a group called Femmecells.

Speaker 243 However, there are not as many of them. And incel, the term incel is only male.

Speaker 243 So only men can call themselves incels according to the communities and according to the people online who define themselves as incel. Because the out-group for incels are women.

Speaker 243 So the resentment is there around women. And so that's why it's important for them to keep that in only men as well.

Speaker 197 You've described that this is a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy and people in their mid-30s can get into a very bad situation because they've had this thinking in their 20s.

Speaker 197 Are there people who are in cells who get out of it? You know, and they find relationships and they move on.

Speaker 243 Well, yeah, well, that's always the hope. And I speak about it in the book, how a couple of the interviewees I met, so I was interviewing them for over a year.

Speaker 243 And during that time, a couple of them found ways out of the ideology or out of their situation.

Speaker 243 One of the best success stories was a man in his later 20s returning to university after initially dropping out in his early 30s in the UK.

Speaker 243 And that has kind of given him a new lease in life, a new goal, a new feeling of self-esteem. And he's having a good time, enjoying it, and finding people through it as well.

Speaker 243 So that was a success story in itself. Other times, some incels can just leave because they find potentially a partner or friendships.

Speaker 243 But we have to be very careful about about when we talk about whether a relationship is your way out. A lot of incels will believe,

Speaker 243 if I find a girlfriend, I'll leave the ideology. But the evidence is showing that sometimes when that happens, the ideology doesn't go away.

Speaker 243 You don't become less misogynistic or less nihilistic just because you have a date or had a short-term relationship or a girlfriend. That doesn't solve the problem.

Speaker 112 Well, I think this is self-correcting.

Speaker 41 We're seeing it already.

Speaker 21 I mean, this is really a millennial problem.

Speaker 103 Sorry,

Speaker 103 Jen.

Speaker 14 Yeah, no millennial problem, younger millennial problem.

Speaker 100 The older millennials were just close enough to Gen X that they kind of, you know, they got a clue.

Speaker 103 And I'm seeing Gen Z.

Speaker 21 Gen Z is kind of rebelling against technology, rebelling a bit against the phone stuff.

Speaker 116 They're playing chess. They're going out.

Speaker 135 They're doing other things.

Speaker 21 They are getting together in groups. I think it's self-correcting.

Speaker 86 It just gives the BBC another opportunity to fill 10 minutes of airtime with direct,

Speaker 170 direct.

Speaker 1 It might be self-correcting, but the problem still exists that the schools are not doing their jobs of socializing the kids properly.

Speaker 1 And until they start doing that, which they're not going to do the way they're going about things.

Speaker 92 No, but the schools are complicit in transing children and putting odd books in the library and then highlighting it by putting behind lobbying cases.

Speaker 43 The schools are the problem. Always.

Speaker 1 The schools are the problem.

Speaker 101 There it is.

Speaker 89 And that's why we need to dissolve the Department of Education, give it back to the states, and Texas will be number one, baby foam finger.

Speaker 1 You know, Texas is one of the states,

Speaker 1 along with a lot of the states that is like they always bitch about California doing this.

Speaker 1 California's a Johnny come lately when it comes to not telling the parents that your kids trans is going trans.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Texas is one of those states. Really?

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 120 Yeah.

Speaker 120 Well,

Speaker 1 how does that work?

Speaker 17 I don't know.

Speaker 134 I don't know. I was not aware of this.

Speaker 1 How do you get Jasmine Crockett?

Speaker 25 Good point.

Speaker 84 All right.

Speaker 88 I need to add a new word to our vocabulary as the Oxford Dictionary has added it.

Speaker 21 So that means besides saying Turkey properly, we now have a new one.

Speaker 134 Let's talk.

Speaker 244 Because the English language is changing. The folks behind the Oxford English Dictionary added dozens of new words to its pages this week.

Speaker 244 The new entries include many of Spanish origin, like cubano, referring to anything Cuban from individuals to the famous sandwiches.

Speaker 244 Also in there, slang phrases such as real talk, meaning honest and direct conversations, and British slang like the word faffy, as in overcomplicated and time-consuming.

Speaker 30 Faffy, faffy, F-A-Fy.

Speaker 128 F-A-F-F-Y? Faffy?

Speaker 30 Faffy, yes, Faffy.

Speaker 1 I've never heard that. I used Cubano coincidentally in the show today.

Speaker 131 When you're talking about somebody, a person of Cuban origin, you call them a Cubano.

Speaker 1 No, I was referring to the Cigar, cigar.

Speaker 128 But Fafi, F-A-F-F-Y.

Speaker 32 I've never heard this verse.

Speaker 42 It's new to me.

Speaker 8 It was new to me.

Speaker 17 It was new to me.

Speaker 1 Sounds like they're just throwing it in for no good reason.

Speaker 161 Well, it's amazing you can say anything in public in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 8 Man, did you hear about the WhatsApp thing?

Speaker 21 This was interesting.

Speaker 89 Some parents got arrested for posting something in a private group on WhatsApp.

Speaker 212 Six police officers came to my house and arrested me.

Speaker 124 Why?

Speaker 212 Because I'd been talking about my daughter's school on a WhatsApp group. It was the morning of Wednesday, the 29th of January, about a quarter to 12.
I was on a Zoom call for a work project.

Speaker 212 When on my Zoom screen, in the little window where I saw my own face, I realised that two police officers were standing behind me.

Speaker 212 Another two police officers were arresting my partner, Rosalind, in front of Francesca, our three-year-old daughter.

Speaker 212 They bundled us into the police cars and took us off to custody at Stevenage Stevenage Police Station, where we remained for the next 12 hours.

Speaker 212 He arrested me on suspicion of harassment and malicious communications. And it was to do with a dispute with our daughter's primary school, which began with posts on a WhatsApp group.

Speaker 88 Are you interested to hear what horrible things they did on the WhatsApp group?

Speaker 1 You know, this has been going on now for

Speaker 1 some time in England. And it's discouraging.
And you have to wonder, you know, about the mentality of the police who are enforcing these laws. They seem to be doing it with some relish.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Which I find disturbing.

Speaker 53 They enjoy it.

Speaker 103 Well, the beats going after people with guns and zombie knives.

Speaker 19 I mean, hey, might as well take the squad down and arrest these two parents.

Speaker 212 On the 23rd of November, 2023, the head teacher of my daughter's primary school announced he would retire.

Speaker 212 But what seemed strange to me was the Board of Governors decided immediately to appoint the deputy head as acting head 10 months later without even advertising the job. So I made some inquiries.

Speaker 212 I contacted the chair of governors in private and in good faith and asked her to explain what her rationale was and what was going to happen. Her response, in my opinion, was rather evasive.

Speaker 212 So I asked again and I wrote to all the governors asking them to explain what was happening and why they decided to do that. I posted that letter in a WhatsApp group.

Speaker 212 It's a private parent WhatsApp group. On that WhatsApp group, like most parents, we chunted about a few things.

Speaker 212 One thing we talked about on that group was a letter from the school commanding all parents not to talk about the school on Facebook or social media or WhatsApp groups. We thought that was a bit off.

Speaker 212 My partner Rosalyn made a handful of vaguely spicy comments. She referred to one school leader as a control freak.
She said the chair of governors didn't know much about anything.

Speaker 212 Out of the blue, on the 12th of July last year, the chair of governors wrote to Rosalind and me. She accused us of posting disparaging and inflammatory comments on WhatsApp and Facebook.

Speaker 79 Yeah, thought crimes. You can't do anything anymore in the UK.

Speaker 26 And you can't even say you have a wife, you have to call it your partner.

Speaker 17 I never understood that.

Speaker 37 They never say my wife.

Speaker 118 Say, my partner.

Speaker 32 Maybe they're not married.

Speaker 19 No, they're married.

Speaker 79 They're married.

Speaker 1 They're married and they're calling her the partner.

Speaker 92 It's a very standard thing in the UK and Australia as well.

Speaker 37 It's a bit of a woke thing.

Speaker 130 I don't want to see my wife.

Speaker 11 I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

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Speaker 93 Yeah,

Speaker 93 on no agenda.

Speaker 40 Well, what are the odds?

Speaker 37 My partner here is going to read off the supporters, financial supporters, who sent us back value and our value-for-value model, $50 and above.

Speaker 30 Remember, we do have John's tip of the day coming up: some kick-ass mixes from the Clip Custodian and David Kekta, and some real ISOs to end the show with, along with nice meetup reports and more to come.

Speaker 199 So, John, take it away, my partner.

Speaker 8 Sure.

Speaker 42 Partner. Sure.
Partner.

Speaker 1 Sean.

Speaker 1 Sean Holman, maybe a relation to

Speaker 1 Noblesville, Indiana, 148.48. And this is, I thought, was interesting.
It's calling out D-Nice

Speaker 1 as a juice bag.

Speaker 3 Douchebag.

Speaker 122 A juice bag. We get a douchebag for that.

Speaker 1 A juice bag.

Speaker 35 I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 1 111.11.

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Speaker 1 Jennifer,

Speaker 32 what do you think? Fiveey?

Speaker 8 Fiveey?

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Speaker 96 Five or a fivee?

Speaker 12 Fiveey.

Speaker 128 Fiveey.

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Huh?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can we get some IVF

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Speaker 12 Let's do it right away.

Speaker 10 Let's not

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Speaker 8 Remember, you got to name the kid after us.

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Speaker 206 That's the rule.

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Speaker 1 I'll leave the note to itself.

Speaker 150 Then I have a blank line

Speaker 1 for 100. Somebody was there.

Speaker 10 I wonder if it's...

Speaker 1 This happens all the time more recently.

Speaker 1 There's no name.

Speaker 206 How does that work?

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They love us, man.

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By the way, this Silverman is a late Saturday donation. Okay, that's

Speaker 29 birthday meeting. No, it's not.

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Speaker 1 And we got

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Okay, in Amsterdam, 50. And last on another short list today, Joshua Johnson in Omaha, 50.
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Speaker 186 No Agenda Meetups.

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Speaker 89 This is the 61st meetup from the flight of the No Agendas.

Speaker 8 Leo Bravo, always taking care of that in somewhere in California.

Speaker 246 Hey, everybody, it's Leo Bravo at meetup number 61. I'm passing the phone around.
My friends have things to say.

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Speaker 176 This is Jim. New to Fullerton, but I'm here.

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Hey, John and Adam, Sir Leah Kim Faux Pop, just checking to see if code Bongino still works.

Speaker 58 Yep. Jim, but it's ain't 10-4 to all these nice people.

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Speaker 24 Stephen of the Orange Curtain. John, you'd be interested to know there are very many young foamers here at the Fullerton train station.

Speaker 144 In the morning, this is Angie from the Ranch having a great time at the Fullerton meetup.

Speaker 144 No comment.

Speaker 146 Nano, nano.

Speaker 31 Sounds like you missed a good FOMO meetup, John.

Speaker 103 You can't, you can't get to those FOMO meetups.

Speaker 11 Woo-hoo!

Speaker 19 Big one, as always, from our indie group.

Speaker 77 They are big, they are large, they are in charge, and they always include their server in their meetups reports.

Speaker 243 This is Dave Maria and Sir Mark here.

Speaker 144 Having a great time with our no Antuenta family here in Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 Drinking some beer in a converted Catholic church.

Speaker 95 Thank you, Saint Joseph.

Speaker 32 Hey, it's Gary here. Look out, people.

Speaker 249 The brains of the DNC are out on tour. Yes, that's right.
AOC and Bernie Sanders are out there to rally the troops.

Speaker 6 Look out!

Speaker 66 Nauter from Indianapolis, just happened to see that Diesel Ocasco is 333.

Speaker 1 Joshua Crom from Indianapolis. Hopefully I can get in for the Cromodor.

Speaker 251 In the morning, this is Alicia Maycomber from Carmel.

Speaker 213 Hi, I'm Sirip of the Maple, and my immigration attorney has advised me not to make any comment.

Speaker 236 So every day I get to work, and I'm like, I'm surrounded by fed, fed, fed.

Speaker 155 Then I realize I am a fed.

Speaker 236 Hey, this is Emily in the morning.

Speaker 66 Risky here, just drinking some beer in the church.

Speaker 44 Anetski here just drinking some bourbon in the church with the feds.

Speaker 96 Hello, this is Vladimir Zelinski. And I can do tariffs too.

Speaker 176 I'm going to put tariffs on prostitution, drugs, crocodile, marijuana, AK-47s, all those things. So take that, Trump.

Speaker 250 Hi, this is Katie from St. Joseph's Brewery in Indianapolis, Indiana.
It's been a pleasure to host the No Agenda folks, and I look forward to seeing them again.

Speaker 251 Hey, this is Carol. I am in training at St.

Speaker 243 Joseph's Brewery, and I also have been a pleasure hanging out with this crew.

Speaker 3 Live from Indy in this moment.

Speaker 202 We'll fix it in post.

Speaker 33 Not one, but two servers in the report.

Speaker 45 I love those guys.

Speaker 95 Thank you, Indiana.

Speaker 26 Indie meetup. Those guys are good.

Speaker 1 They're glad we got Zelensky finally came up.

Speaker 43 He finally showed up. I can't believe he's putting the tariffs on hookers.

Speaker 17 Oh, that guy.

Speaker 20 There is a meetup underway, the TMI Evac Zone Crossword Puzzle Meetup.

Speaker 57 It started at 3.30 at Evergrain Brewing in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 21 I'm sure they're still going strong.

Speaker 23 Tomorrow, April Fool's Day, meetup, not for fools, at 5.30.

Speaker 40 That'll be at Barley's in downtown Knoxville, Tennessee.

Speaker 77 Also on April Fool's Day, Springfield, Missouri, ain't no fool meetup. See, there's a theme here.

Speaker 125 6 o'clock at Bears All-American Sports Bar and Grill in Springfield, Missouri.

Speaker 8 Then on Thursday, ooh, nothing on Liberation Day.

Speaker 17 Oh, what a missed opportunity.

Speaker 116 On Thursday, our next show day, the No Agenda, New York City meetup.

Speaker 89 Yes, there are still normal people in New York City.

Speaker 19 5 o'clock at the Perfect Pint West in New York City.

Speaker 30 New York, New York.

Speaker 84 And finally, also on the third, Thursday, Northern Wake Public Slave Gathering.

Speaker 99 That'll be at 6 o'clock at Hoppy Endings in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Speaker 19 Many more meetups to come, including Osaka, Japan on April 5th.

Speaker 92 Make sure you check that one out.

Speaker 28 I know there was a big meetup in the lowlands.

Speaker 116 I got pictures and everyone's having a good time, so I expect a meetup report from them, which is usually quite inebriated.

Speaker 43 We love the meetup reports. We love the meetups.

Speaker 11 They are producer-organized.

Speaker 239 You get out of it what you put into it.

Speaker 146 Go to noagendametups.com.

Speaker 30 Guaranteed, though, you will always have a party.

Speaker 37 If you can't find one near you, start one yourself.

Speaker 89 Noagendametups.com. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

Speaker 89 You to be where you won't be triggered on hell lame.

Speaker 89 You to be where everybody feels the same.

Speaker 89 It's like a party.

Speaker 24 And yes, thank you, trolls. I made a mistake.

Speaker 154 Of course, tomorrow is not the first,

Speaker 113 but Tuesday is the first.

Speaker 89 And that was incorrect in my crib sheet.

Speaker 116 There's a 31st day of March.

Speaker 52 So yes, that was my mistake.

Speaker 79 Kind of.

Speaker 94 I should have known better. Where was my partner?

Speaker 106 Where's my partner correcting me?

Speaker 42 What?

Speaker 37 I said Monday the first.

Speaker 1 it's yeah yeah that was a mistake yeah

Speaker 27 all right iso time i've got three they're real they're not ai generated let's see how we do i think there's some real evil out there

Speaker 187 okay no i can delete that one how about this there's a good side and there's a dark side just like star wars

Speaker 110 too long kind of how about this one i think you'll like this one You guys are freaks.

Speaker 30 How about that? That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 There's nothing very complimentary about this show.

Speaker 8 Oh, you would.

Speaker 125 How about just fun and humor?

Speaker 134 No, no good. Okay.

Speaker 88 So what are your AI-generated ISOs?

Speaker 1 My AI-generated, I got two.

Speaker 1 Any better?

Speaker 249 The show can't be any better than that.

Speaker 249 Huh?

Speaker 43 Yeah. How can I beat that?

Speaker 86 Where's the yo-yo-yo, what's up?

Speaker 1 I'm still working on it. Mimi's actually working on it too, and she can't.
This is not as easy as it looks.

Speaker 43 Can some of our hip-hop trolls just send me a yo-yo-yo, what's up?

Speaker 12 So I can just get this.

Speaker 8 What up?

Speaker 22 Yeah, so we can get this off our place, please.

Speaker 1 Great show is the other one.

Speaker 243 Great show, boys.

Speaker 80 Yeah,

Speaker 31 I think this is obviously complimentary.

Speaker 249 The show can't be any better than that.

Speaker 26 I mean, that's

Speaker 66 have to go with that.

Speaker 52 It's kind of self-serving and kind of pathetic because it's AI, but

Speaker 1 not pathetic.

Speaker 32 The results are you.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just saying it's not pathetic. You're saying it's pathetic because it's AI generated.

Speaker 199 It is the results of a $100 billion per company.

Speaker 91 Think about the money we saved.

Speaker 84 There you go.

Speaker 7 And now, ladies and gentlemen, not AI. It is John's tip of the day.

Speaker 3 Okay,

Speaker 32 I don't want created by Dana Bernetti.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do an off-handed tip of the day. That's not the tip of the day, just a suggestion for people like this drop at Costco.

Speaker 43 The grass-fed

Speaker 1 butter in the green packaging.

Speaker 137 Yes, Tina loves that stuff.

Speaker 1 It is excellent. Yes.
I think it's as good as the imported butters.

Speaker 62 She loves that stuff.

Speaker 64 In fact,

Speaker 58 all the carnivores love that stuff.

Speaker 217 They just eat it out of the pack.

Speaker 1 It's a great product.

Speaker 69 Carnivores, man.

Speaker 190 The carnivore diet is like they eat butter like a stick.

Speaker 47 It's like you put your stick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a piece of butter. I got a butter popsicle.

Speaker 24 That's pretty much it.

Speaker 8 That's your entire tip.

Speaker 84 That's it.

Speaker 1 That's the entire day. No, that's not.
That's just a

Speaker 8 side tip.

Speaker 110 Oh, side tip. Side tip of the day.

Speaker 36 Okay, sorry.

Speaker 43 Perfect glass.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, this company, Hopes,

Speaker 1 this is a cleaning product again, a cleaning product company, but I'm telling you, Hopes, perfect line of cleaners, and there's a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 Perfect Glass is the one I'm going to mention here, but there's also Perfect Sink, which is a stunner. Perfect Sink

Speaker 1 will Hope's is the brand.

Speaker 1 A very advanced product. They're using the, I don't know what tech they're using, but they can polish stainless steel sinks with this Hope's Perfect Sink.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't believe what you end up with.

Speaker 1 Stainless steel, the funny thing about stainless steel is stainless steel stains.

Speaker 1 And stainless steel stains easily.

Speaker 37 Yes, and this is for stainless steel sinks?

Speaker 1 Not the perfect glass is for windows. No, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 Perfect sink is for stainless steel sinks, but they also have a stainless steel, perfect stainless steel for other appliances that are made out of stainless steel.

Speaker 38 Wow.

Speaker 1 But the hopes, the entire hopes line of cleaning products is

Speaker 1 world-class. And for example, the perfect glass is not like Windex, which, you know, Windex, it's like they've been coasting for years on their ammonia-based screen.

Speaker 88 It's no good.

Speaker 15 Windex, you know, Windex here in Texas,

Speaker 103 all the Mexicans use Windex for everything.

Speaker 175 Yeah, you got to scrape it.

Speaker 1 It's got a lot of ammonia in it. It does clean.

Speaker 85 You got to cut.

Speaker 1 But for glasses, for glass, it doesn't clean well. It doesn't really do the trick.
Hope's good.

Speaker 37 I'm going to get some.

Speaker 21 Tina is always complaining about the glass.

Speaker 30 Always.

Speaker 1 Well, then she'll love perfect glass.

Speaker 104 Perfect glass from Hope's.

Speaker 126 Hope's perfect glass.

Speaker 217 I am. Do they have it for toilet

Speaker 1 Well, they already did the toilet bowl one with Lysol.

Speaker 8 Oh, that's right. I thought maybe it was a competing product.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing any more toilet bowl stuff. Actually, I talked to Mimi about these suggestions.
She had another toilet bowl suggestion.

Speaker 148 No matter what,

Speaker 84 Mimi, get your head out of the toilet bowl.

Speaker 49 We got to stop this.

Speaker 207 These are serious tips of the day.

Speaker 245 Check it out at tipoftheday.net, noagendafun.com.

Speaker 3 Great masks for you and me. Just a tip with JCD.

Speaker 18 And sometimes at home.

Speaker 51 Created by Tana Bernetti. Wow.

Speaker 134 But these are good tips.

Speaker 58 I mean, we actually wind up buying some of this stuff because we trust you.

Speaker 126 You're a trustworthy guy.

Speaker 1 I am. I'm very trustworthy.
I wanted to do a series of books called Honest John.

Speaker 30 Right after the Podfather Awards, the microphone company, the vinegar book, and many other great things.

Speaker 89 You know what?

Speaker 21 Why don't we just do another show on Thursday?

Speaker 123 Why don't we try that?

Speaker 96 There's an idea.

Speaker 35 Let's do that.

Speaker 60 At least we can get that done.

Speaker 68 We can get that produced.

Speaker 136 Thank you to everybody who helps produce this show monetarily and otherwise.

Speaker 175 It is all highly valued and highly appreciated.

Speaker 57 Coming up next on the No Agenda Stream or in your modern podcast app, Random Thoughts.

Speaker 154 That's another good show. All of these shows are good.

Speaker 147 And the No Agenda Stream has just got great shows.

Speaker 112 Also, excellent and outstanding end of show mixes from David Kecta and the clip custodian Neil Jones checks in with a double head.

Speaker 89 Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in FEMA region number six.

Speaker 199 For as long as people understand what that means.

Speaker 193 In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 1 And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

Speaker 4 We'll talk to you on Thursday.

Speaker 81 That will be April 3rd.

Speaker 10 Please join us then and remember us at NoAgendadonations.com.

Speaker 88 Until then, adios, mofos, a huoy hooey, and such a loot.

Speaker 3 It's interesting because a lot of your thinking, as expressed by your public statements, is deeply infused with economic and cultural Marxism.

Speaker 3 Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?

Speaker 3 Um, um, um,

Speaker 3 much of my thinking has evolved over the last half decade. I've

Speaker 3 I've evolved as a human being because

Speaker 3 over the last half decade. I know this, isn't that a great way to mean five years?

Speaker 3 I've called as I don't recall that I've

Speaker 3 no doubt that there's

Speaker 3 correct that I don't recall.

Speaker 3 This is great.

Speaker 79 This is your virtue signaling coming back and slapping you in the face like a whit salmon.

Speaker 8 The wheels on the omnibus go round and round, round and round, round and round.

Speaker 20 The wheels on the omnibus go round and round with all the EU clown.

Speaker 54 I would argue that the new Jesus Christ of our era are Steve Jobs and Elon Musk.

Speaker 136 That's not true.

Speaker 108 He's incompetent.

Speaker 183 Elon Musk, aka real-life Iron Man, he's a Nazi, he's a thief.

Speaker 253 An immigrant to this country country cemented his status.

Speaker 252 He's a Nazi, Nazi.

Speaker 1 Elon Musk is doing things that may revolutionize transportation and climate change. That's not true.

Speaker 183 When somebody as staggeringly rich and staggeringly intelligent as Elon Musk talks, people

Speaker 252 he's incompetent, he's a thief, he's a Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

Speaker 253 As a leader in science science and technology whose name may indeed belong alongside those of Edison and Jobs, Elon Musk is incompetent in his position.

Speaker 253 Put another way, Elon Musk today showed the world how it's done.

Speaker 254 You play the video of a town hall as though it's evidence of some broad anger that's out there, and it's not.

Speaker 54 We are mobilizing in New York.

Speaker 157 We have people going to the Republican districts.

Speaker 82 You just said you're organizing town halls in red districts.

Speaker 65 Going after these Republicans who are voting for this.

Speaker 11 You don't actually have to wait for them.

Speaker 248 You can hold that town hall.

Speaker 254 They organize, they get loud, they get viral mobile.

Speaker 248 You schedule it, you invite them. If they come, that's great.
But if they don't come, have an empty chair.

Speaker 172 Hundreds of losers gathered today at the downtown library for an empty chair town hall.

Speaker 8 Sorry, our party is not being organized.

Speaker 1 This is a long, relentless fight that we fight every day.

Speaker 65 And I am confident that we will bring Trump's popularity, numbers, and strength down.

Speaker 242 What we're seeing when we do this is that these are sold out.

Speaker 248 People want to come. People want to be involved in the process right now.

Speaker 8 Our party is not that organized. You can

Speaker 8 organize town halls.

Speaker 8 The best podcast in the universe.

Speaker 8 Adios, Mofo, Dvorak.org slash na the show can't be any better than that.