Kylie & Ilona Maher on Bikini Runway Walks, The Carnivore Diet & Father’s Day Gifts For Mom | Ep. 22

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Speaker 1 Not gonna lie, one of the most exciting things happening in our house right now is waiting for the squirrels to climb the bird feeder so that the girls can then run out on the deck and yell, get out of here, doofus.

Speaker 1 It's a slow week. Let's get this podcast started.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, A Wave Original. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, coffee drinker, back on the full caffeine, established animal nerd.
And my husband tells people I'm fluent in French.

Speaker 1 I'm not fluent in French. I took it for a long time, but I am not fluent.
Coming up on today's episode, Father's Day is this weekend.

Speaker 1 And if you're looking for some last-minute gift ideas, don't worry. I've got you covered with my mother's guide to Father's Day.
I have a feeling you're going to like it.

Speaker 1 And then you're going to hear my conversation with the guest everyone,

Speaker 1 everyone, including me, has been asking for since I announced this show. I have a YouTube comment here that perfectly sums up the hype.
I cannot wait for the Alona Mar episode.

Speaker 1 I'm going to flip a table if it ever happens. Let's flip those fucking tables.
It's happening. Alona Mar is coming up.

Speaker 1 And I might even give Queen Emma a full hour. But before we get to that, there's something I need to address.
There's a clip going around from the other podcast that a lot of you have tagged me in.

Speaker 1 It also invaded my own algorithm because it's all over mom talk. That's right.
I'm talking about Ellie's call. I'm all done pooping.

Speaker 1 Queen Emma, hit it.

Speaker 1 Can you guys make out what she's saying?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Sounds good, though. She's saying, I'm all done pooping.
That's the call for me to go wipe Elliot's ass. That's the soundtrack of my life, right there.

Speaker 1 This happens

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 anywhere from

Speaker 1 two times minimum,

Speaker 1 six times maximum a day. It is legitimately something that I hear in my,

Speaker 1 I was going to say dreams, but let's be honest, that's a nightmare. So a while ago, I started plotting.

Speaker 1 And every time one of the kids would get up from whatever we were doing and announce that they needed to go poop, I would say,

Speaker 1 Okay, make sure when you're done, you call for dad. And they'd be like, all right, cool, got it.

Speaker 1 But since when they start yelling, they don't specify,

Speaker 1 they just yell, I'm all done pooping.

Speaker 1 We would start passing the blame back and forth like a fun little game we'd like to play.

Speaker 1 But they did keep it up for a little while that they did ask for Jason pretty consistently.

Speaker 1 It has since,

Speaker 1 it has since gone awry. They just yell for anyone that they were previously with or that they know is in the middle of something.

Speaker 1 That's usually the one they ask for, the person who's in the middle of a task.

Speaker 1 My favorite is when they do it while I'm rolling meatballs. Can someone tell me when you're supposed to stop wiping your kids' butts?

Speaker 1 This could be, I could be about to get dragged on the internet.

Speaker 1 I, it should surprise no one. That's a real one.

Speaker 1 I don't like the idea of them wiping and then doing like the questionable kid wash of the hands and then coming downstairs and touching things and like continuing on with their life.

Speaker 1 So we are still wiping poops. Peas, everybody wipes.
We're having fun, guys. I swear we're having fun.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 But really, somebody, all the moms out there, can you tell me so that we can sort of add them all up and get the average of when we should stop wiping their butts specifically for poop? Okay.

Speaker 1 Don't come for me. Please don't.
Please. Women support women.
Don't come for me. The other day I was on the phone with Queen Emma and she got the play-by-play of Benny's latest poop saga.

Speaker 1 Benny still needs full assistance on the potty, mostly because she wants you to sit on the edge of the tub and have a full-blown conversation with her.

Speaker 1 Then if you try to leave the bathroom, she'll go, I'm all done. I'm not all done.
I'm all done. I'm not all done.
It's again, another one of those silly games we're playing.

Speaker 1 But Emma was on the phone with me and I was in the bathroom with Benny and she heard the whole back and forth. Finally, she let me wipe her butt.

Speaker 1 I stood at the sink to wash my hands after I helped her wash her hands.

Speaker 1 And I turned to look at her in the hallway and she was actively wiping her butt with her dress that we were about to put back on.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so I told her we can't put the dress back on. You just wiped it up your butt.
You literally flossed your butt crack.

Speaker 1 I can't believe I'm saying this. You flossed your butt crack with your dress that you were supposed to put back on.

Speaker 1 Now, this goes in the list of ways that Benny is convinced she will get a new princess dress throughout the day because we've limited her to one princess dress a day.

Speaker 1 She's getting more and more creative. Well, now that that's been addressed, let's move on to can I be honest? And this week, I'm getting honest about Father's Day.
This year, I have such a good gift.

Speaker 1 I have such a good gift, guys. It's amazing, okay?

Speaker 1 I'm going to need you to probably bleep this out,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 I'm getting Jason.

Speaker 1 I feel like I nailed it, but we'll find out when I give it to him. What I've done in the past, we don't really get too crazy.

Speaker 1 I have the girls make cards. because that's always very sweet.
And now the girls can write their card as long as I write out what they need to write.

Speaker 1 So this year could be the first year that Jason gets handwritten cards for Father's Day. Wyatt has done a great job of I spell things out and she writes it out.

Speaker 1 We're still getting our spacing down. It's like one giant word.

Speaker 1 Like the sentence is a word.

Speaker 1 No, Biggie, we're going to get our finger spacing in there. It's going to be fine.
Well, if you haven't bought a Father's Day gift yet, I actually have some ideas that I think you're going to enjoy.

Speaker 1 And GL presents presents the mother's guide to Father's Day. Gifts for him that are actually for you.
Number one, plan a special just dad and the kids outing.

Speaker 1 You know how you should celebrate Father's Day? By being the ultimate dad. You know what? If you take them out without mom, then you're going to get so many compliments from strangers.

Speaker 1 Like an unreasonable, seriously, it's insane. All of the boomers you come across are going to be like, you're the best dad.

Speaker 1 You're amazing. Look at you.
You can get him tickets to a sporting event. Okay.

Speaker 1 You're going to need to clarify when you give him the tickets that it's for him and the kids, not him and his friends.

Speaker 1 Don't let him start texting because you don't want him to take up the seats of your children.

Speaker 1 Day at the water park, a camping trip overnight. Stop.
If it's not already clear, mom

Speaker 1 would stay home for all these activities. Have fun, mom.
Kick your feet up. Read a book.
Put the show on. Binge it.

Speaker 1 Number two, literally any new gadget you've been eyeing for yourself, as long as it's something he can occasionally use. Okay.

Speaker 1 These are going to be things like appliances. Okay.

Speaker 1 Foot massager.

Speaker 1 back massage. There's these cool back massages that you put over your shoulders and you pull the hands down.
It like settles into your neck. That's perfect.
Get that for him.

Speaker 1 Send him out with the kids. Pop that massager on.
If I were going to get Jason an appliance or gadget,

Speaker 1 I would get him AirPods. You want to know why? Because every single time that man loses his AirPods,

Speaker 1 somehow mind end up his.

Speaker 1 It's crazy how that works. Number three, clothes you would like him to start wearing.

Speaker 1 Does your husband also wear t-shirts, shorts, and flip-flops nearly 100% of the places you go?

Speaker 1 I'm actually okay with it. But if anyone wants their partner to start jazzing it up a little bit,

Speaker 1 buy him a nice new outfit. Even better, tell them the kids picked it out.
It'll work, I promise.

Speaker 1 As soon as the kids like they get like the big eyes and their lips starts to quiver and they're like, you're not gonna wear it, you know.

Speaker 1 If I was gonna buy Jason, if I personally was going to buy Jason some clothes, I'd probably buy him a banana hammock.

Speaker 1 Just kidding. Four kids is enough.
Number four, a couple's vacation. Celebrate fatherhood the right way with a child-free trip, or no one's yelling at either of you to wipe their butt.
This

Speaker 1 is a very good one. I endorse this one aggressively.

Speaker 1 If you can't get away for too long, It also works for concerts that you might really want to go to, or even a new restaurant you've been wanting to try.

Speaker 1 I did, in fact, make a reservation for Father's Day at a restaurant that I do indeed love.

Speaker 1 The key is that Jason also loves it. So that's a win-win right there.
I do very much endorse

Speaker 1 a parent trip, a child-free trip. We are not in the phase of life where we are able to do that at this very moment.
But last summer, we had a couple child-free trips that were lovely.

Speaker 1 And that's how we ended up with it.

Speaker 1 And my last gift idea for dad, that's actually for mom, new home improvement tools.

Speaker 1 That way, let's say you need something hung up, okay? A new picture, a mirror that you got.

Speaker 1 Get them a new drill, guys. And then it's like, now you're ready to hang that mirror that's been sitting on the floor for six months.

Speaker 1 Bonus tip: beware of gifting TVs or really anything with a screen because that might also be for you. You might get to watch your shows or your movies on that,

Speaker 1 and that could benefit you. But the chances are he's going to want to show you some stuff on there.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's going to pop up some YouTube clips of golf swings, or I don't know,

Speaker 1 some he's going to like screen share something there that you saw, already saw on TikTok like three weeks ago.

Speaker 1 He could potentially play movies like RRR or Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

Speaker 1 Does it sound like I'm speaking about specific events?

Speaker 1 Whatever. Just be careful of the screens.
Don't do that. That's it for my mother's guide to Father's Day gifts.

Speaker 1 Let me know what other gifts you get for the dads in your life that are actually from mom at NGL with Kylie. We'll share some of our favorites because I'm genuinely curious.

Speaker 1 I always get stuck on gifts, and

Speaker 1 they can be for us too.

Speaker 1 Moving on, I'm going to answer a question. One of the real ones sent in for me in a brand new edition of Ask Me Some Things because Ask Me Anything needed boundaries, you crazy jackasses.

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What did little Kylie want to do when she grew up? Well, if last week's episode was any indication, I definitely wanted to be a veterinarian.

Speaker 1 And if you ask me now at 33 what I want to be when I grow up,

Speaker 1 I'd still say a veterinarian. I love animals so much.

Speaker 1 I just love them.

Speaker 1 Now, maybe I can never become a veterinarian, but I was a hell of a babysitter, a lifeguard,

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 cashier at the local grocery store. Actually, you know what, Queen Emma, can you pull up my LinkedIn? Let's go through this the right way.
Now, for starters,

Speaker 1 this photo, it's me on a beach. With a blue and white dress on.
I still have that dress in my closet right now. This dress is

Speaker 1 very old.

Speaker 1 And so is that photo. I am, I'm riding that photo till the end of time.
Okay. You want to know why? Because my hair's flipped to the side.
It's got that beachy volume, that salty air.

Speaker 1 I love that photo. And by that, I mean, it's just a photo where I was like, that works.
Put it on there.

Speaker 1 And now I don't think I've ever taken another photo where I was like, you know where that would do well?

Speaker 1 Professionally on LinkedIn. I have not yet updated my LinkedIn to say podcast host, so that's messed up.
I should probably do that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 am I

Speaker 1 okay? So, the real ones already know I'm a coach and that I work for the Eagles Autism Foundation. Here's some shit you might not know.

Speaker 1 I was a lifeguard at the Society Hill Towers.

Speaker 1 I did

Speaker 1 assist in the

Speaker 1 grill reservations as well there. Moving on.
I was a babysitter. I babysat probably from when I was like 12 or 13

Speaker 1 until, I mean, I'll babysit your kids today. I don't care.

Speaker 1 Put it to present, you know.

Speaker 1 I would like to circle back. Queen Emma brought up a great point.

Speaker 1 Babysitters,

Speaker 1 12 and 13 years old, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 What? What?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Are we still doing that today?

Speaker 1 To be clear, I would have a 13-year-old mother's helper, aka someone is home and I just need a couple extra hands or someone to sit down and color with the kids or that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 Leaving them at your home with your kids, them being me when I was 12 or 13. What?

Speaker 1 I was a staff writer for the locator.

Speaker 1 That was because I took journalism in college. Shout out to Jay-Z and the rest of the communication department at Cabrini.

Speaker 1 It was college when I started there. So Cabrini College, R-I-P.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Cabrini College, the Dixon Center Building Supervisor.

Speaker 1 That was our rec center.

Speaker 1 And I started out as a front desk staff and eventually I was a building supervisor. So

Speaker 1 I was the one with the keys.

Speaker 1 I had the keys. So if you needed something opened, that was me.

Speaker 1 I know, big time, pretty exciting. I actually love that job.

Speaker 1 I loved the Dixons. I loved everything about Cabrini.
I'm a Cabrini hype girl. I will always be a Carini hype girl.
I was meant to be there. The end.

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Speaker 1 But also right underneath my LinkedIn profile that I made when I was in college. Look at that photo.
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Speaker 1 Gosh, great photo. Good times.
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Speaker 1 She's the Olympic medal-winning phenomen with a TikTok as elite as her rugby skills.

Speaker 1 You've seen her on Dancing with the Stars, the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit, and on her podcast, House of Marr.

Speaker 1 She's the most followed rugby player in the entire world and one of, if not the most requested guest on this show, it's my friend, Alona Marr. Alona, welcome to not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 Happy to be here. That was awesome.

Speaker 1 I actually love hearing my intros because I'm like, dang, I did that. I did that too.
Say it again. I did it.
You gotta keep it coming. I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 1 It has been a long time in the making. We, like I said, the number of comments, it's kind of, it's a little unhinged.
No, it's okay. I love you.

Speaker 1 I mean, you've, you've sparked something in people. Um, and I feel like every time now that women's sports is brought up, which is one of our topics on the show, people are like, Alona.

Speaker 4 I love that.

Speaker 4 I love it because it's like from a sport that isn't really known.

Speaker 4 And I now, it's rugby seems so small, but to be known as just like an athlete and women's athlete in all of sport and to be making a change is so, so cool because I never wanted my reach to just be rugby.

Speaker 1 I wanted it to be so much bigger than that.

Speaker 1 it is you have successfully nailed that um i'm so glad we're hanging out because it's been way too long the last time we saw each other was in paris yes it's the first time i've ever watched rugby settings which was unreal and did you get into it because of your dad is that right kind of i mean

Speaker 4 My dad's a big rugby player.

Speaker 4 Jason, he taught Jason out a little pass or something like that in the box, but he's a rugby guy, has always loved rugby, but he never got us into rugby because there was never like high-level varsity programs.

Speaker 4 And he read all these studies. He's a very smart guy.
He read all these studies about like having his daughters, how sports helps his daughters so much.

Speaker 4 So from a young age, we were playing all sorts of sports and also how playing many sports was great for his daughters. Yes.
So I would do one each season. I would do feel hockey, basketball, softball.

Speaker 4 I would go to softball, pitching clinics. I would do travel ball.
But we never did rugby because he's like, well, they're not getting the funding. There's no teams around here.

Speaker 4 I want my daughters to play in the best leagues.

Speaker 1 You mentioned Jason and us getting to meet your really whole family when we were in Paris.

Speaker 1 They were nice enough to give us

Speaker 1 shirts, which we then, well, to be clear,

Speaker 1 your whole team was nice enough to sign a jersey for Jason, which he then was like, I'm going to put it on. Yeah, I saw that.
I was like, whoa, I didn't even see that.

Speaker 1 That was the best sound effect I've ever heard because it's exactly what was happening.

Speaker 1 It was like trying to put sausage back in its casing.

Speaker 1 And it was incredible. And he was fully committed.
Fully committed. And did he put it on for the second day too? Yes, he did.
Bold.

Speaker 4 I love that.

Speaker 1 Like, dang. As if there wasn't enough sweat absorbed in it the first day, he then put it on again.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't think you understand this was given to you similar to like when you get a football jersey from a co-worker. Yeah.
You pop that sucker in a frame. That's what it's for.

Speaker 1 And he was like, but I'm wearing it. And I was like, but they're not going to ask you to go out there.

Speaker 4 I think that's the best. I think he's like, we give these jerseys and then, oh, thank you so much.
I bet most people don't frame them. I'd say probably what, 10% actually frame them.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm forcing it to get framed because I fear he might try and put it on.

Speaker 4 Well, honestly, it's kind of iconic. Now, you did that one story post where he's like sitting there.

Speaker 4 It's a shirt also of me. He has my face on his shirt.
He's wearing the jersey.

Speaker 1 He's just like tired after a day. Speaking of your sisters

Speaker 1 very kindly gave us their shirt. Oh, my God.
Very kindly. I'm still feeling a little guilty about it.
I will offer to give it back. Do you have it on right now?

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't want to like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I want to offer it.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. I'm going to unfold it.
I love the tie. I'm going to take a tie, too.
Kind of cutesy. I've never tried it.
Kind of cute.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh. You know what's funny about that?

Speaker 1 No, I don't. Okay, great.
I don't.

Speaker 4 The room, I think it looks perfect.

Speaker 1 Okay, great. The funny thing about that, I was going to offer to give it back, but I feel like if I'm wearing it,

Speaker 1 no one's going to take it back. No, no, no, no.
There was a tactic here.

Speaker 4 My dad actually was the one who pretty much like designed these.

Speaker 4 They're perfect. They're perfect.
We go to Madrid. I play a trim at Madrid.
My parents go.

Speaker 4 My dad doesn't tell anyone he's designed this shirt. He designed it off like Amazon or something like that.
I was like, I think it had hearts in my face on it or two. And he...

Speaker 4 He just showed up in Madrid wearing this. He was so proud of himself.
Everyone loved it. And the cameras loved him wearing it.

Speaker 4 And so for the Olympics, my sister had even more made and everybody was wearing it. Yes.
So it's just a chill piece. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just super soda.

Speaker 4 Understated. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, could be worn. Well, the best part is, is that we then proceeded to wear them to gymnastics.
I saw that.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 1 Needless to say, I'm offering it back, but like, not really. No, no, no.
Okay, great. Thank you.

Speaker 4 It'll be LA 2028. You can wear it again.

Speaker 1 You get it. I'm not framing this because then I want to be able to wear it in the outfit.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'd love to get into a segment. I think you're going to like as a content creator.

Speaker 1 It's called Doom Scroll of the Week. Okay.
This first clip you may have already seen. Someone said that if you're over 200 pounds,

Speaker 1 that you shouldn't be in a Pilates class.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this clip that we're going to show is not the original clip. It's a reaction to the clip.
Queen Emma, roll the clip.

Speaker 5 This is for the woman who said that if you're over 200 pounds, you shouldn't be allowed to do Pilates. If you're not her, keep scrolling.

Speaker 1 Bitch, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 I would just like to say...

Speaker 5 234 pounds and a roundhouse kick you in the fucking head.

Speaker 1 I want my legs.

Speaker 5 Why is 200 pounds like the benchmark for being unhealthy now? Actually scratch that. Why is anyone anywhere talking about anyone's weight that isn't their own?

Speaker 5 Just mind your own damn business and have a great day.

Speaker 1 Bye. Now, I'm assuming you saw this.

Speaker 4 I did see it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And how do you feel about that?

Speaker 4 I think with that, it's just like, so people's ideas of like weight and health are so

Speaker 1 wrong. Yes.
You have personally talked about BMI. Yes.
Yes. That you would technically be classified as obese.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, that's considered massive on a BMI scale, you know?

Speaker 4 It's just, I'm like, I get that a lot of comments, or actually, I don't get as many comments, I think. But I think I have a BMI of like 30, and I was like, some woman comments that.

Speaker 4 So I talked to my dietitian about it because I was like, this is like crazy comment. And when you actually like, BMI is just two numbers put together and that's it.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, does that show you anything? That doesn't tell you a gosh darn thing of what I can do. And no one would think, like, nobody would look at me and be like, wow.

Speaker 4 She is just, oh, you know, that is crazy. So I think with the 200 pounds thing is I'm 200 pounds.
I'm, I like the heaviest is like, I'll go to like 203, 213.

Speaker 4 And then my playing weight at the Olympics, I was 197. Yep.
So

Speaker 1 it's just crazy. To me, it screams that the original poster of this was probably

Speaker 1 5'2 max. 1,000.
Yeah, yeah. Because I don't know that there are people who are, you're 5'11, right? Okay, okay.
I'm like 5'9. I was gonna say, is it if you round up, it's like 5'10.

Speaker 1 So it's a roster height. Got it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Whatever. Right.
Keep going. Anyway, breeze over that.

Speaker 1 Cut that.

Speaker 1 I feel like at my height specifically that I've always teetered this like area of, especially when I was playing, of just, I mean, high 100s, close to 200 when I've been pregnant, over 200.

Speaker 1 But it's not like.

Speaker 1 It's not like anyone would have looked at me while I was pregnant and been like, ooh, she really packed it on.

Speaker 1 People don't realize that like your frame,

Speaker 1 how are we supposed to help being that close to 200? And why, like you said, why is 200 the benchmark for like, wow, you're really unhealthy?

Speaker 4 Well, and that's been my thing recently is I've like this idea of kind of skinny and that coming back. I really think that some of our bodies are just meant to be certain ways.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Like I am, I'm big. We're tall.
I believe that I just don't think I'm, I'm not supposed to be skinny for my frame. I have broad shoulders.

Speaker 4 I have, you know, I, I just think there's a natural way, and I think we're forgetting that. Like, we're not all.
There's some women who are meant to be thin, who are meant to be skinny.

Speaker 4 And that's just, I've seen them eat so much and they just stay that way. There's some of us who are meant to be a little bit bigger.
And I like,

Speaker 4 I've seen people who are so healthy and like who live such fulfilled lives, you know, over 200 pounds.

Speaker 4 And that's kind of like why I'm constantly putting out these body positive messages because it's like, it's never ending.

Speaker 1 It's also funny as an athlete to hear someone make the idea that Pilates is like the

Speaker 1 measure of like

Speaker 1 Pilates is the class. Like how many workout classes, boxing, all these other ones that are like built-in strength the same way that Pilates are like Pilates is built in strength.

Speaker 1 The fact that you're trying to be like, you need to be, you need to be dainty to do Pilates.

Speaker 4 Sorry, you have to be skinny to come in here.

Speaker 4 No, no Pilates instructor, well, hopefully no Pilates instructor is like, sorry, you have to be the fittest you've ever been for me to train you. You have to have a six-pack.

Speaker 4 There's no point if you don't do have a six-pack.

Speaker 1 Like, what?

Speaker 4 We like to go from here to go up.

Speaker 1 Yes. Next up on Doom Scroll.
Yep. This is a trend I have some strong thoughts on.
I'm very interested to hear yours as a professional athlete. Queen Emma hit it.

Speaker 1 Hi, can I just be a bitch for a second? Oh, yes. Thanks.
Yes, you may.

Speaker 1 I can't stand when people say, try this high-protein recipe, high-protein hack, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, protein, 100 fucking grams of protein, this, a million fucking grams of protein, that.

Speaker 4 And their recipe is literally like putting yogurt in a bowl

Speaker 1 and then dumping a bunch of protein powder into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes. Eat fucking real food.
We pulled this TikTok because I may or may not have gone off on a hard tangent. When?

Speaker 1 In pre-production meeting about how everything is like trying to be high protein. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we could just like eat a hard-boiled egg, get some protein in. Like we don't need to just like smack

Speaker 1 protein powder into everything. And protein powder, I've had like a couple that aren't terrible.
They're all chalky. Most of them.

Speaker 1 And I love food. So I would just love to hit my, whatever you call them, macros

Speaker 1 in eating meals. Yes.
How do you feel about this whole high-protein push? Because.

Speaker 1 You need to have a fairly high-protein diet.

Speaker 4 I have a high-protein diet, but I also have like probably the highest carb diet

Speaker 1 ever.

Speaker 4 And I was raised on a very high carb diet. And carbs are really the energy that you need.

Speaker 4 That's science, truly. But

Speaker 4 yeah, I have a very carb-heavy diet. I don't even, I get protein in for most meals, but I'm actually not as committed to the bit as I maybe could be.
Sure. I think I could be leaner.

Speaker 4 I could be this if I was really focusing on protein, but I just don't see, I think I'm fine and also when I look around It's so cool to look at other countries what other countries eat like when I go on tour and I see some of these countries like English is a very carb based England's very carb based country as well So the girls will have like two pieces of toast and some beans on the toast It's very brown.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, I'm not saying it's yummy

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 so my concern is is just that like We're trying to pretend like when we blend up some cottage cheese

Speaker 1 and put it it in the freezer yeah that it tastes like ice cream you get what i'm saying don't lie to yourself that's what i'm saying eat a couple scoops of ice cream it's okay it's okay it's okay then eat a hard-boiled egg for your protein you see what i'm saying i saw recently when it was like um protein tiramisu she dips the rice cake and gespresso and then she puts like greek yogurt on there i was like that's not even

Speaker 1 close that's almost offensive

Speaker 1 don't offend tiramisula yeah of course they put protein in the yogurt too i'm like there's no i couldn't either satisfying. There's no way.

Speaker 4 There's no.

Speaker 1 But then why eat it? You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 If it's not going to scratch the itch. Yeah.
Or if you're doing it just to try to scratch it, what are we doing? Just eat the fucking tiramisu.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I really think we've lost the plot on that. I just, I, and my dietitian does want me to get a lot of protein in.
Thank you, Jackie.

Speaker 4 I'm working on it, but I personally am more of a real food person. So like...
Like if I, after training, I'll have a quick protein shake. Like, that's very easy, quick protein.

Speaker 4 But like, if I can, I'm going to have the the eggs. I'm going to have, I love like beef jerky and botong.

Speaker 4 I just think,

Speaker 4 I mean, maybe I'm wrong in science, but I don't know if we need that much because I'm doing fine. And I just had a bagel this morning.

Speaker 1 So, you're telling me you're not going to lean into the carnivore diet?

Speaker 4 Oh, I love, I love you love watching people eat a stick of butter. I'm like, why are you dipping that in just an egg yolk? No, you think that's right?

Speaker 1 To round out this week's Doom Scroll, one of the most iconic runway walks I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Let's see it.

Speaker 4 I was killing myself.

Speaker 1 You should have been. Are you kidding me? Look at me.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 Hey. And you hit it at the end of the runway.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 Stop it.

Speaker 1 Are you?

Speaker 4 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 This is the finger gun, right? Look at me. Hit it.
Hit it. Hit it.
Hold on. Yeah, I'm going to hit it.

Speaker 1 Ah, there it is. Outstanding.
Outstanding. Thank you.

Speaker 4 I've never felt as hot as I I did in this, that week.

Speaker 1 It was outstanding.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Were you nervous?

Speaker 4 I was nervous, but I also, I'm going to be honest, I love attention.

Speaker 4 I love it. So I get out there, people start clapping for me.
I'm like, this is it.

Speaker 1 Yep. Watch me shine.

Speaker 4 I love it. I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 1 I do think it helps that you get to walk a runway with no shoes on. I'm

Speaker 1 smart. Right? That's, I feel like the nerve-wracking part for me, the idea of a runway, don't put me out there.
Right. Not teetering.

Speaker 4 Yes. And if you see some other shows where the girls are wearing their heels, and if you can't fully walk in a heel,

Speaker 4 it takes the

Speaker 4 sexiness out of there.

Speaker 1 It does.

Speaker 4 I tried to walk as normally as possible. There's like some, oh my God, I cannot stop looking at myself.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 4 I tried to like not be, I was learning some some tips. Like some of the models would say, like, walk on your toes.
And so I was trying. And I was like, I'm for sure going to look dumb.

Speaker 4 But there's just some things. I wanted to like vibe with the crowd, feel it.
And I felt very confident.

Speaker 4 I think, like, I don't know why that week was a big week for me but even just seeing myself and seeing like I'm I've definitely not like my heavier that I've been I'm not like in Olympic fitness but like I feel really good and I just love that other girls get to see that and like see how confident and beautiful I feel so I'm just

Speaker 4 I was like if I don't if something turns out for me after this I don't know it will

Speaker 1 come through come through We'll see. But yeah, I'm hot as heck.
That does it for Doom Scroll of the week. I'd love to circle back to rugby.

Speaker 1 Looking at your rugby future,

Speaker 1 you said you're competing in LA in 2028.

Speaker 4 I am going to try to. I think it would be so cool to play in a home Olympics.

Speaker 4 That is my goal, but I am still like in a phase of trying to figure out what my love of it is, like my why for rugby, because I feel very fulfilled after the Olympics, getting a medal and doing all that.

Speaker 4 So I'm trying to figure out now, like, am I,

Speaker 4 what is it to put my body in the line? Because I mean, Jason knows it's a lot. I mean, he's, he's, from what I've seen from the documentary, he's, you know, his body's a little messed up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 He's just golfing now.

Speaker 1 Yes, you know, very much so.

Speaker 4 That's what I feel too is like playing while I still love it and not like it's a chore and also like I still feel good is what I'm battling now. And I've been so kind of

Speaker 4 have all this with the social media on the side. And I love doing this.
I love doing the social media, the swim weeks and the shows.

Speaker 4 So I hope that I go back in a couple years and I'm like, I can't can't wait to work my ass off to put in a grind. Cause I'm when I think about doing a fitness test, I'm like,

Speaker 1 turns out, I don't know, I don't know how much I love rugby. You know what? Put me off the bench.
I don't want you know what? Marathons.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 well.

Speaker 1 Um, fans also recognize you from your signature style on the field. For anyone who doesn't know, you always wear lipstick while you're playing.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Um, why do people have such a hard time understanding that athletes can be feminine as well?

Speaker 4 I one, I think, like

Speaker 4 to be taken in the one, because sports were always such a male thing, a male-dominated thing.

Speaker 4 So, like, when women got, you know, years, years, years ago, when women started getting sports, it's like, okay, well, well, only the men have been doing it.

Speaker 4 So we got to do it the way the men have and be like as physical as whatever as possible.

Speaker 4 And I just hope that the tides are turning because, and I think you've probably felt it as well playing sports or whatever.

Speaker 4 I think it was always in any sport I played, whether it's softball, basketball, it was like this, this stereotype that went along with it. And that you had to be this, this, this to play sports.

Speaker 4 And I was always like, I don't ever feel that way. I've never felt like I'm not feminine when I put on my jersey.

Speaker 4 I've never felt like not like a little lady when I was, you know, bossing up in the paint. Like,

Speaker 4 I just thought it was so interesting that there's a stereotype around me. And I mean, I remember from a young age, I would get.

Speaker 4 Even I just have this vivid memory of being in the locker room or the weight room in high school. And some guy was like, oh, yeah, you're really like, you look really manly or something like that.

Speaker 1 And I remember that. And I was like, wow,

Speaker 1 talk about hurting.

Speaker 1 But I just remember like, I don't see it. It hasn't stuck with you at all.
No, I don't remember. No, no.

Speaker 1 Where was it? Was it by the desk in the weight room? What was his name? No.

Speaker 4 It just, it's always so interesting that we have this stereotype. So

Speaker 4 I think it's changing because it's shown that. Doesn't matter if you look this way.
If you're the most beautiful woman, you can be a great on the, on the pitch, on the field, whatever it is.

Speaker 4 And I hate that even sometimes like attractive people attractive women they're not believed to be the best player like there's some beautiful rugby players or beautiful soccer stars or some people are like no there's no way she's that good there's no way she's that good i'm like you think that that's like stops her from running hard

Speaker 1 it's a whole thing it i will say i do think to some degree there is uh an idea of like

Speaker 1 people felt emasculated

Speaker 1 and then they started to perpetuate this idea that if you were strong that it was masculine, only a masculine feature, and that it couldn't be attractive in a feminine way. Yes.

Speaker 1 And that to me is like so,

Speaker 1 I mean, tell me you're insecure without telling me you're insecure.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I

Speaker 4 don't know. I mean, I think, yeah,

Speaker 4 strength and muscles have always been associated with men and masculine. And I think that's fine, but I just think it's maybe a rewriting of it.
Or I, if that is a masculine feature, okay.

Speaker 4 But I feel so beautiful with it and I feel so strong.

Speaker 1 So I don't think I've ever felt like more comfortable in my skin than on a field hockey field in my uniform like those are those moments where I'm just like I know I'm supposed to be here and I know that like the way that I'm moving is intentional and like it just like in my body I'm very present in those moments and like that feels good like I don't I just think it's silly to be like, well, you can't, it's not attractive that you're out here trucking people.

Speaker 4 And it's so wild to me that like that stops some girls from playing. Stop girls, some girls from playing sports.
And my thing is, I would love if more people tried rugby, but honestly, try any sport.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 Go try Feel Lucky. Go do Shoppo, whatever it is.
Just see what your body's capable of instead of just it being something to objectify. I think go do the Pilates, except if you're 200 pounds.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 Go do the Pilates at whatever size. Go try anything.
Like

Speaker 4 your body isn't just a thing to be,

Speaker 4 you know, looked at. It can do amazing things.

Speaker 1 It's also crazy how many options you have

Speaker 1 you have every option under the sun for different types of sports or way to get your body moving or competing and the idea that all of our bodies are supposed to do one specific thing or sort of pigeonhole yourself yeah not only is it your body but it's also the way your mind works like i always talk about i've talked about recently about how I coach now and say that you can either be a Jason or a Travis.

Speaker 1 Jason, my husband, is analytical. My brother-in-law, Travis, is very fluid, like turns his brain off and just goes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so we talk about that a lot. Those two mindsets, you can find spaces for them in any sport, but ultimately, like they might do better at one sport than another sport.

Speaker 1 The way you learn might dictate what sport you should get involved in. Like all of those things come into play.
I think it's so sad that.

Speaker 1 Some girls might not have the opportunity to try a bunch of different sports, but also some of them are just told, like, this is a sport you're going to try.

Speaker 1 And then when it doesn't stick or it doesn't feel good, or you're not excelling at it, a lot of people, I think, get really discouraged.

Speaker 1 Speaking of your lipstick on the pitch,

Speaker 1 you have one of the best videos I've ever seen on social media.

Speaker 1 A little friend to walk out on the tunnel. It's not even a friend.
It's your twin.

Speaker 4 I was like,

Speaker 4 I mean, looking in a mirror.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 How does it feel to see all these little girls that they want to be like you?

Speaker 4 It's so fun. I love it.
I love it because like even with this this little girl, I was like, oh, that's me.

Speaker 4 And at her age, I was starting to get into that age where I was like figuring out what my body was capable of or like figuring out, like, okay, I don't look like the other girls.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm kind of bigger than the girls, but yet I'm faster, I'm fitter. And this was where you started to become more aware.
So it's so cool to see her looking at me like that.

Speaker 4 And she's wearing the lipstick because I, you know, she, they put on the red lipstick, like, oh, I did this because of you.

Speaker 4 And it was really, that was really impactful for me because I just, I put myself in her shoes and to see where you know it was almost like what it was to where it could be all right let's switch it up here

Speaker 1 I feel like you're the perfect person to help me debut this new segment on NGL I'm calling TMI

Speaker 1 I have recently been informed that TMI I the traditional way I knew of it is too much information but recently I have seen in a lot of tick tock comments that People have switched the meaning, that it is now tell me immediately.

Speaker 4 Oh my gosh, I can't keep up.

Speaker 1 I can't keep up either. But

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie. I love the idea of tell me immediately.
Okay. Because

Speaker 1 in a situation, specifically my most recent situation was birth. I always tell people that I

Speaker 1 want to know everything. Like I want to know people's horror stories because if I go into birth and it's not that, I'm like, a win.
That's a win. I didn't, I didn't end up like that.

Speaker 1 Like it's a risk you take. I didn't give birth in

Speaker 1 on the way in, you know, I didn't give birth in the car.

Speaker 4 Not like Janet.

Speaker 1 You see what what I'm saying? It just feels a lot better. Yeah.
And I also feel prepared, you know, because I'm like, what could happen? Tell me all the things.

Speaker 1 Would you say you're a too much information person? Or

Speaker 1 tell me immediately.

Speaker 4 100%. I had too much information.
Are you?

Speaker 4 I also think it's funny that that's now changing up because I could see you just messaging your friends and they're like, they say something, you're like, TMI, meaning tell me immediately.

Speaker 4 And they're like, oh, sorry. Yeah.
Was that too much?

Speaker 4 You're like, oh, no, no, sorry. The kids are saying, tell me immediately.

Speaker 1 Whatever. Yeah.
That's that's it. The kids.
You got to clear that up.

Speaker 1 I'm hip. I swear.

Speaker 1 Rugby is a physical game. Yes.
And maybe even more so than field hockey. I'm going to need you to tell me immediately about how you broke your nose.

Speaker 4 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 That was terrible.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 So this was in like the last, no, last 20 minutes of the game.

Speaker 4 My wing like didn't come up. We got a little mix up.
A girl kind of gets by me. So I go to chase her down.
And then my player, my teammate comes to make a tackle.

Speaker 4 And then I make the tackle, but we both don't fully make it because she passes it. And I just like bump my nose on her arm in just like the certain right way.

Speaker 4 And then I get on my hands and knees on the field and I'm like gushing blood. Yep.
And I just was numb.

Speaker 1 I was like, this is for days.

Speaker 4 I'm getting angry.

Speaker 4 I'm like right by the stand, too. So all the fans are watching.
The doctor comes out.

Speaker 4 The trainer comes out. I love when they're like super chill.
Like they know you've done something bad. It's like, okay, we're just going to plate this on here and just hold this real tight on here.

Speaker 4 I'm like, okay, yeah, I know what's happening.

Speaker 4 so it's bad so it's always bad so i go into the i walk out i'm like still dripping got it all over i walk out go to the medroom and he's about to stitch it up and i was like is it crooked he's like oh yeah it is i'm like put it back into place he was like well how well do you handle pain i was like i don't care if i pass out yeah if i die on this table i want to look good in my coffin put that back into place

Speaker 4 And it wasn't even that bad. I was like, he just pushed it a little bit because it was like slightly off.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just like, why was that not the first thing you did?

Speaker 1 Why would you, why would you stitch it there? Do you know who I am?

Speaker 4 I literally spent all my day in front of a camera. Yeah.
So that was, I felt very numb afterwards. And the classic thing about rugby is it's like just play on, really.

Speaker 4 So I, he was stitching me up. He's like, and then you just get back out there.
I said, I was like, what'd you say?

Speaker 4 I'm not getting back out there, buddy. And then some guy goes and gives Olivia, the manager gives Olivia a new jersey.
Like, and then she'll just put, because you can't have blood on your jersey.

Speaker 4 She'll just put this on. And Olivia's like,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 I feel like they should have known it was bad when you have to switch jerseys.

Speaker 1 Like, for those who don't know, there is a liquid that will take blood out of a jersey if it's like a couple drops or like a little scuff.

Speaker 1 If you have to switch jerseys, I was like, we've done too much.

Speaker 4 I'm not going back out there.

Speaker 4 And I didn't. He put it back in a place.
He stitched it up. I was just so pissed the whole game because it was hard.
It was like, this is my face. Yes.
I

Speaker 4 really, I enjoy it. I enjoy my nose.
And also, it's like, I like,

Speaker 4 I like breathing. My thing is being in front of the camera.

Speaker 4 And so I was very sad. I think I cried a little bit, but then the girls were going out that night.
So then I went out.

Speaker 1 Now she's really drunk. So it was fine.
It felt better. It felt really good.
It felt better.

Speaker 4 All my blood loss.

Speaker 1 It's funny that you say that the trainer moment is the moment you knew it was bad because I had a similar moment in college when I split my forehead open.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And And the trainer came out, and she knew that I was just sort of like, it was my senior year. She knew my tendencies at that point.

Speaker 1 And she was like, I was like, how bad is it? And she was like, I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty sure I can see your skull.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it turns out you couldn't see my skull. It was just the tissue underneath.
I did have to get inside stitches and outside stitches, but I've also broken my nose.

Speaker 1 I got a field racky stick laid across my face.

Speaker 4 Looks very good. Thank you.

Speaker 1 They didn't put it back into place right away because, and I quote, the one bone was flapping like a swinging door, I believe, is what the surgeon said. Chills on my back.
So sorry.

Speaker 1 You did mention that you're a too much information person, and now I'm giving you too much information.

Speaker 4 And so then you got a fix later?

Speaker 1 A week later when the smelling went down. Yeah.
Yeah. It was one of those where it happened, and then you sort of put your hands up and then you do the check and you're like, cool, cool, cool, got it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, as quickly as your face bleeds, and you just have like a pool and you're like,

Speaker 1 mom, she's about to to go.

Speaker 4 What are you going to go with now? Are you going to use TMI as tell me immediately or stick with too much information?

Speaker 1 I'm going to stick with too much information because that's what it was intended as. Yeah, I think that's we're not pulling some like kids take this from us ever.
Never. You can't have it.

Speaker 1 I won't allow it. Um, we we do need to touch on your dancing, of course.
Yes. Uh, first of all, one of the sweetest things I've ever seen is your relationship with your partner, Alan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's my buddy. Delightful.
Delightful. Yeah.
Um, the content that has come out of that on TikTok, top tier. Thank you.
Love it.

Speaker 1 I feel like I'm like watching just best friends be best friends.

Speaker 4 Pretty much. He's like a, it's like my teammate or like a little brother that you

Speaker 1 love, but also,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 because it's hard. I mean, it's like, it's a partnership, right? But also at the end of the day, it's also a coach and a player.

Speaker 4 And also like a man-woman, not in a romantic relationship, just being friends and enjoying time together.

Speaker 1 How annoying is that?

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 1 Well, annoying.

Speaker 4 I was like, okay, if just keep voting, please.

Speaker 1 If you could go on any competition show next,

Speaker 1 what would that be?

Speaker 4 I think my time on reality competition has ended. Are you sure?

Speaker 4 They keep asking.

Speaker 1 Would you go on one?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Which one? Fucking not.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. No, no, but you already did it.
You're good.

Speaker 1 So you're not going to dance with stars when they get the call? Absolutely. Fucking not.
Don't call me. Don't don't call it a waste of a phone call.
Don't call me. Well,

Speaker 1 all right. So

Speaker 4 if I was younger, I think I would have slayed on Love Island. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 A thousand percent. I would have killed it.
I would love to tell you that I've watched Love Island, but that's okay if you're not.

Speaker 4 The show is called Not Gonna Lie So it's just peep couples, hot people in a villa.

Speaker 1 I've heard, I do understand that.

Speaker 4 That's where I'd love to spend a summer.

Speaker 4 But I'm a little too old for that. Now, are you? I think so.

Speaker 1 How old are the people in the villa?

Speaker 4 Some of them are like 21.

Speaker 4 They're fresh out, ready to make a name for themselves.

Speaker 4 And that's not me, you know?

Speaker 4 But now I think if I were to go on,

Speaker 4 I don't know. Days with Stars was like really hard to get out of me.

Speaker 4 People love Traders. Like, they keep seeing if I want to go on Traders.
Have you watched that?

Speaker 1 I have. Well, okay, she's lying.
Bits and pieces. Not going to lie.
Bits and pieces. Bits and pieces.

Speaker 1 My husband watches it. So I'll catch it when he is watching it.
You're like walking out.

Speaker 4 I'm like, what's that guy's name?

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 1 That's me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't have one right now.

Speaker 4 I hope to

Speaker 4 go more into scripted space.

Speaker 1 Ooh, love it.

Speaker 4 In an acting.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Be like a kind of a female John Cena out there, you know, play the hot assassin or something.

Speaker 4 Probably typecasted for sure.

Speaker 1 Did you know that we like to manifest things here? Oh, perfect start. But you just did it.
We just did it. We did it.
You heard that. Universe.

Speaker 1 Now, as the real ones know, we also have the other podcast that records at my house.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other one. The other one.
The foyer.

Speaker 1 So I can appreciate how fun it is to do a family podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys recently started House of Mar. Just

Speaker 1 chatting.

Speaker 4 It's good. It's just me and my sisters.

Speaker 4 Us, kind of us, how we video call is now us talking into mics with each other. It's been good.
I think like we have always have something to talk about.

Speaker 4 That's what I think makes us so special: conversation is so important to us. It's so important to our family.
We, every night, we have a family dinner.

Speaker 4 We sit around and chat, and we know how to converse. We love sharing things with each other.
Like, they're my sounding boards. They're who I tell everything to, and hopefully, they do the same for me.

Speaker 4 But it's been a lot of fun. I think it's another realm that I, you know, wanted to get into and to build something and to have people as well.

Speaker 4 You know, they see me online, but also they get to connect with my sisters and my family to almost be like you're part of it as well.

Speaker 1 You mentioned earlier, Olivia is the creator of Girl Dinner. Girl dinner.
Yep. Love it.

Speaker 1 I am a girl dinner regular, although I have since graduated to mom dinner. Mom dinner.
Because I eat the cross off the peanut butter and jelly that I cut off and the last couple bites of the macaroni.

Speaker 1 As a TikTok mastermind,

Speaker 1 do you think we should attempt the mom dinner trend?

Speaker 4 I think you could try it because one thing about moms, they will eat anything that their kids, their kids will spit it up and they'll be like,

Speaker 4 throw it right back in.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what the heck?

Speaker 4 Moms, man, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, I have been, I, I, on that thought, I have been subject to a wet chip. I don't,

Speaker 1 it's when the chip is licked and then put back in the bag as like a surprise for later.

Speaker 4 I love that. Babies will just like, they have their hands and they just get and then they give it to you.
And it's like stuck over their heads.

Speaker 1 I do have to use it.

Speaker 1 I am a, I am known here as a germaphobe. Like I am.

Speaker 1 So the people who like take cute little like, oh, you want to feed me? Oh, and they like eat it out of their kid's hand or like their kid wants to share. I will fake that shit till the day.

Speaker 4 Oh, really? You won't eat that? No.

Speaker 1 I will say, up to a certain point, I will. When they're learning to pick up things and they're sharing and they're under probably a year old, sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know where it's been, right? I know where your hands have been. I know where the snack has been.
It hasn't left this since I put it on there.

Speaker 1 My older kids couldn't fucking pay me. Right.
Could not pay me. I don't know what you've touched.
I don't know when you, the last time you wiped your ass or washed your hands. So

Speaker 1 it's not me. It's not going to be me.
I'm not going to get caught eating a crusty goldfish. Yeah.
Or a wet pretzel. I'm out.
I said wet pretzel. That's what I said.
A wet pretzel. A wet pretzel.

Speaker 1 They lick the salt off and then leave them in a little stack.

Speaker 4 You don't eat those. You eat them.
You don't eat them.

Speaker 1 I'm scared. But some moms do.
A lot of moms do. A lot of moms do.
It's empowered to you, ladies, because it's not me.

Speaker 4 Which I think I could under, I feel like I'd be the type who I'd just eat anything when, with my bed, I'm like, I push, this is, you're me. Yeah.
Put it. I saw this fun cute video.

Speaker 4 This kid who was like eating her dad. She had like, did you see this? She had like a big old handful.

Speaker 1 Her dad's like laying on the floor, like, oh, yummy. And she goes, oh, and just shoves a handful into his mouth of like, the treat.
Hilarious.

Speaker 1 That would happen in our house because Jason will accept anything. He'll, well, he will.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For For sure.
Share with dad. Sometimes I'm like, oh, dad wants it.

Speaker 1 Dad really wants it. He said earlier he was like, he was like,

Speaker 1 I want

Speaker 1 a wet pretzel. That's what I'm doing.
Yummy. Yeah.
Soggy makes it sound not as bad to me. Wet pretzel sounds worse.
So I'm going to say that. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm on wet pretzel.

Speaker 4 I kind of like that. Okay.
But I do lie. I hear what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Come on over. We have plenty.
What are we doing, though? Come on over. Okay.
I mean,

Speaker 1 for dinner today.

Speaker 1 For mom dinner today, we have wet pretzels.

Speaker 4 I think you could have something there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 I think it could be like, hey guys, I'm eating mom dinner.

Speaker 1 I have some wet pretzels.

Speaker 4 This is the ones that my kids have actually licked off.

Speaker 4 This is a potato chip she threw back in the bag. Yes.
And then this is, and you just go like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 We'll revisit. Okay.
Well, speaking of moms, I'm very close with my mom, Lolise.

Speaker 1 I just this morning described our relationship as codependent.

Speaker 1 Because I love my mom. When my car starts, I'm pretty sure that it calls my mom.
It's the weirdest phenomenon, but it happens every time. It's weird.
So I'm going with it.

Speaker 1 I love checking in with her. I heard you are also close with your mom.
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 You called her. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yep. Keep going.
After you finish the sentence. After you lost your virginity.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 How did that conversation go?

Speaker 4 Well, honestly, it's because I was like, I say it on my pop-up. I'm like, shit, mom, lost my virginity.
I'm probably going to be getting it. So we've got to set up a gyno appointment for me.

Speaker 4 And this, mind you, you, this is in my 20s.

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 4 So like, mom, I imagine they're going to be knocking down the door now. So let's go get a gyno.

Speaker 1 Open for business. It's open

Speaker 1 for business now.

Speaker 4 But I called her

Speaker 4 like family was over, called her because I say I'm not going to tell my family. I'm like, no, I'll keep this to myself.
I literally cannot. I have to share.
I'm a TMIer. Too much info.

Speaker 4 I got to share with people

Speaker 4 my whole, they all, I mean, I called my sisters. Then I called my mom.

Speaker 4 then i called my friends um she was very i mean i don't know it's gonna be fun for you when this happens to you she acted very calmly she was like oh

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 yes very cool yes uh-huh um and i guess she didn't sleep a wink that night but i was on

Speaker 4 yes well no my dad or some no not my dad because i didn't tell my dad he still thinks hopefully i'm uh just kidding he's probably he's probably not that dumb um

Speaker 4 she did not sleep i think some she told me that later.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't sleep at all that night. I was like, oh, really? Oh, sorry about that, mama.
That's weird.

Speaker 4 But she also wanted that. She wants us to feel like we can tell her anything.
Yes. And she's done such a great job of it.
I mean, we go to her with anything. I tell her a lot of stuff that I do now.

Speaker 4 Probably shouldn't.

Speaker 1 Now, how do I achieve that?

Speaker 1 That with my own girls. Yeah, interesting.
Because I asked my mom openly, I'm like, mom. How do we do this? Yeah.
I want, how do I create this? How do I duplicate this?

Speaker 1 Because I want my girls to be able to tell me things.

Speaker 4 Great question. I think, like, my mom, for us at least, was never like putting on pressure, like, you can't do this, you can't do this.
This, this, this, this, this.

Speaker 4 So, even when the sex talk came, it was like more like, well, you know, when if the time feels right or when the right person came, and so I never thought of it as like this cool thing I had to do.

Speaker 4 Whereas, like, I had some classmates were like, just had sex, just to have it. I was like, why did you do that? So, like, whereas with my mom, it was like, this is something it's not bad to do.

Speaker 4 Um, even with like drugs and alcohol, it was like never this thing that was like, you can't do this.

Speaker 4 So it took, it took the fun out of it when it's like something that you, your mom's like, okay, well, this is something we have to be smart about it. Maybe do it here or whatever.

Speaker 4 So it really takes the fun out of it.

Speaker 1 You're like,

Speaker 4 it's not as risky. It's not as risky, you know?

Speaker 1 I will say I, there was some point in my life when I was younger where I told my mom during one of our deep mom talks,

Speaker 1 aka when I like bombarded her and like came in and sat in her room while she was doing something and just was like, okay, but mom, here takes over your life. We're here now.

Speaker 1 But we, I told her, I was like, I think I'm going to save myself for marriage.

Speaker 4 I love that.

Speaker 1 And she was like,

Speaker 1 I think you're going to change your mind. And I was like, no, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure I'm pure.

Speaker 4 Lilise.

Speaker 1 Well, let me tell you, Lil Lise doubled down. She was like, hey, you got to test drive a car before you buy it.
Right. So, um, thank you, Lil Lise.
Yes.

Speaker 1 We might have to cut that depending on Lil Lisa's feedback.

Speaker 4 But, but I think that's like

Speaker 4 also realistic, right?

Speaker 1 So, you know, know, just it opened up like if my choice is not to stay pure towards marriage, news flash, didn't stick. Right.

Speaker 1 Right. Naturally.

Speaker 1 But if it wasn't that, my mom was like, you're good. Yeah.
That's okay. Whatever.
Which made it less risky. Yeah.
It made it less scary. Yep.
Sure. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to recreate the Lolise situation.

Speaker 4 I think also it opens the door for just safety and protection. Like with my mom, mom, then I could talk about getting an IUD.
I could talk about like condoms and all that stuff with her.

Speaker 4 So it also opens a door for that, you know, they're now protected and they know.

Speaker 4 Whereas instead, if they're scared, they're not going to talk to you about getting proper birth control or they're not going to talk to you about how to stay safe, you know, when they're exploring.

Speaker 4 Cause I'm going to tell you what. If kids want to explore, they're going to explore.
If kids want to do something, you're going to come in.

Speaker 4 They're going to find a way. So it's almost like better to just equip them with the smarts and with the safety of it.
Yep.

Speaker 1 An open conversation. Yeah.
I love that. I hope I can figure out what Mrs.
Marr and Lolise have achieved here.

Speaker 1 Well, luckily, you can hear a lot more about the Marr family every Tuesday on their podcast, House of Marr, on YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 I always like to give people props where they're due.

Speaker 1 Raising four girls like we talked about, I am so grateful for what you're doing for female athletes,

Speaker 1 for the stage that you're setting and the environment that you're leading them into.

Speaker 1 And also just the conversations you're having. You're a fucking badass.
I don't need to tell you that. And it's really cool that my girls get to have examples like you in the world.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.
And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Alona on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday.

Speaker 1 I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. In the meantime, Jason is bringing back Beer Bowl.
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