Kylie on Pin-Up Jason Tattoo, Coaching vs. Caitlin Clark & Bleeding Green with Dawn Staley | Ep. 23

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I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, former lifeguard, self-appointed rom-com historian, and I guess I'm going to have to watch the next season of Traders. That's right.
Donna Kelsey, my mother-in-law, is on this coming season of Tritors. Have I watched traitors? Not a whole season.
Am I excited to watch Donna? A thousand percent. I'm going to cheer her on until the end of time.
I am not going to lie, though. Her innocence and honesty is working against her or for her.

Oh, if she's a faithful, maybe it works for her.

Oh, we're all on the edge of our seat.

I'm excited.

Come on, Donna, win it.

Coming up on today's episode,

I think the real ones already know what needs to be addressed on Doomscroll of the Week. The Jason pinup tattoo.
I'm still not sure if I have the words, but I'm going to try and find them. And then I'm going to be joined by the six-time WNBA All-Star and three-time NCAA championship winning head coach, Philly's own coach Dawn Staley.
Not going to lie, I'm pretty nervous. Nervous enough to have Martin Pitswody.
I'm so excited to talk to her about coaching because she is the coach. Gosh, here we go.
But before we get to all that, last week I posed a question to the real ones. What age do we stop wiping our children's butts? And I was hoping that you all could send in your suggestions of when you had that experience and then we could add them all up, divide by the total.
You see what I'm saying? Simple math. As always, the comment section delivered.
Okay. It says my oldest will be seven in August and it's half and half pooping.
She'll let us know if it's a mushy one. Oh my God, it needs help.
But she's pretty good at washing. When it will be my youngest turn, I'm not going to trust her.
That, that is so real that you know that it's dependent on the individual involved. It seems that the general consensus can be summed up with this comment.
Stop wiping before kindergarten. Signed, a kindergarten teacher.
Outstanding. Everybody knows around here, we love and appreciate all of our educators.
So for that, before kindergarten is a hard heck yeah. Now that we've taken care of that, let's move on to a brand new edition of Can I Be Honest? My kids are officially done with their school year, so I thought I'd get honest about summer break as a parent.
Everybody knows that when school lets out, that means we have all day, every day, at home, with each other. It's so much fun.
We're having fun. But this summer is the first summer where the girls are actually going to do some camps.
And when I say camps, I mean they're five and four, guys. We're doing like a three to four day situation.
I think it's maximum three hours. Like we're really, it's just to get them out somewhere else, anywhere else and moving around.
I will say that our age range right now, five to I don't even know how old the youngest one is. 10 weeks, 11 weeks.
I don't know. You get it.
She's new. Um, I, it's hard to find an activity

for everyone. So as long as I can hook Finn to the front of me and everybody else has their shoes on,

we just, we get the heck out. I don't know.
Oh, Queen Emma put this in the rundown. She put,

what are the best time consuming summer activities for toddlers? I'm gonna tell you right now,

Thank you. Oh, Queen Emma put this in the rundown.
She put, what are the best time-consuming summer activities for toddlers? I'm going to tell you right now, I am a tried and true water table lady. Okay.
Now the number of times I have to say, don't drink it enough to send anybody over the edge. Okay.
Especially with three of them, because you're telling each of them individually, do not drink the water in the water table. And then on top of that, you're trying to tell them not to convince each other to then drink the water in the water table.
I think the key is not to give them anything that resembles a cup. But who are we kidding? I gave them a shovel a couple of weeks ago and they tried to drink it out of that.
I will say either send them out in a bathing suit or know that they are going to need to completely change clothes when you are done. And if your child plays nicely in a water table and you do not need to change their clothes after, you're a race sensory bin mom.
I said what I said. I said what I said.
You do kinetic sand in the house. Do you see what I'm saying? That's it for Can I Be Honest about summer break.
Next up, it's time. At the time of this recording, it's been exactly four days, 17 hours, and 34 minutes since I first doom scrolled upon the pinup Jason tattoo.
If you haven't seen this image yet, shield your eyes. I'm kidding.
Queen Emma, hit it. God.
Just, it is, for my listeners, a... I don't even, I genuinely don't even know where to start.
My response to this was, excuse me, and I still stand by that because this image for my listeners is an image of my husband kneeling with one hand behind his head, pumping his, his boobs out and, uh, arching his back. Oh my God.
Describing it? Oh God. Describing it is even worse than...
It's even worse. And he has an eagle in his crotch.
I don't know how else to say that. Someone then commented and said, my first thought was, what's Kylie going to say about this? And I replied to that, Kylie doesn't even know where to start.
Wow. A couple things that I have learned since seeing this tattoo.
Apparently, it is two years old.

That's right. This sucker has been in existence for the last two years.
the other thing I have learned is that it is on a woman and that she lost a bet. That she's actually a Giants fan who lost a bet with her husband.
And her husband is an Eagles fan. Apparently they do bets like this all the time.
She has a lot of tattoos, i guess it isn't that crazy uh that she put this on her body a couple things that i want to address there's a bunch of people in the comments of this tiktok that are very confused about the eagle crotch and they think that it's like someone creatively came up with that if you search the image issue, when the Eagles offensive line was in it, they had Eagles masks. It doesn't make it better.
It doesn't make this, this doesn't make it better. They had Eagles masks on their crotch.
Oh, I will say that if you have not seen this yet, it is oddly spot on. I mean, like very well captured his physique, specifically the gray spot, like the silver fox on the side of his head.
I genuinely, this is one of those situations where when I had no context, my thought was no notes, no notes. You nailed that.
Um, to the tattoo artist way to go. I don't, the creativity on this one, you nailed it.
This TikTok specifically has reminded me, it might be a good time to bring back one of our favorite segments around here. That's right.
It's fuck around and find out. I think that people are posting what they would think is a thirst trap of my husband.
We got some people in these comments. They are fucking around.
They're fucking around because they're saying things like, um, like how fine my husband is or that like they would like a piece or they're doing the little drool emoji. I'm going to need you to sit down, uh, put your tongues back in your mouth and be respectful.
That man is a father to my children. And also agreed.
If I were not a trying to be a responsible adult, I would also be commenting those things under my husband's thirst traps. Because same.
But that's mine. That's mine.
So I'm going to need you to get your drool comments out of there. Specifically, you guys could do some like hard eyes.
Uh, I personally, I,

what I will say is, is that I don't read comments often, but I have seen a fair amount of people. They're falling for the thirst traps.
Um, but it's actually not on the market. That man is, he mine um but i will say is they are nicely balanced and complimented by the people who say in comments, or, uh, I've seen it here and there of people saying respectfully to Kylie, or, uh, if, if I didn't know that Kylie would come for me, I would say, and then they say what they want to say.
Real recognize real. I really appreciate you at least acknowledging me before you drool all over my husband.
That's respectful. I appreciate that.
But that's mine. Till the end of time, that's mine.
That's all I'm saying. And just a reminder, a gentle reminder, he's not on TikTok, but you know who is? Me.

And if I catch you in my doom scroll and you are fucking around,

you might find out.

You might.

That's it for doom scroll.

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She's also a best-selling author, Hall of Famer, and maybe, most importantly, a Philadelphia legend.

Dawn Staley, welcome to Not Gonna Lie and Go Birds! Go freaking Birds! Thank you for having me. Of course! Thank you for coming on.
I'm not gonna lie, somehow we have not met in person. I am a huge fan, but we've nearly met a couple times at this point.
there's actually a photo of you and Jason and Travis

in a suite at a Phillies game last playoffs. I was actually at that game and Jason came back to the suite and was like, you'll never guess who I just saw.
And I was very jealous. I was very jealous about that.
Now, I think we're going to agree on this, but I want to say for good measure, Philly is the best sports town in the world. Is that right? Would you agree with that? Without a doubt.
Okay, perfect. I want to make sure we're not, we're not leaning towards the South.
I know you spend most of your time there now. No, no.
And I tell people down here, like, like I work here. I'm not from here.
Like I'm from I'm Philly and you, I mean, I rock jerseys. Like I rock.

Oh, I've seen it.

I mean.

Courtside.

Yes. like I'm from Philly and you I mean I rock jerseys like I rock I've seen that I mean courtside yes listen I love it and some people some diehard fans here they send emails they post social media messages about my attire like I should be wearing the school colors.
I should be.

Yeah, I do wear the school colors, but also when we're going as far as we're going, when we win Super Bowls, you're going to see me in some Eagles gear. Like me, like you were saying, you've been a lifelong Eagles fan.
I can admit that I'm a little biased when it comes to having a favorite Eagles player, but do you currently have one? I do. I do.
And it's easy one though, cause it's, it's, um, QB one Jalen hurts. And I know that you guys have supported each other in some of the things that you've had going on recently.
You, uh, have been on record talking about texting him before super bowl. And he obviously was supporting you guys in the national championship last year.
How did you guys first get connected, and what is that support system like? We have a mutual friend in Deuce Daly, who used to be an assistant coach. Oh, yeah.
My husband speaks very highly of Deuce. So he introduced us.
I know sometimes when you play for a team that's in Philly and you're the quarterback, like you're the star, it really is a lonely place. It's a lonely place.
He's QB1. We lose.
The city goes crazy, right? Like crazy. So I'm just like, I know it's a lonely place.
Sometimes I just text him, hey, you know, don't get too high with the highs or low. He doesn't.
He doesn't now. He's the one.
He's the coolest cat that I know. But sometimes you need to hear like like you're the only one that's going to feel the pressure of everybody else because other people in other positions can just kind of go under the radar, so to speak.
but when it's the quarterback and when we know you got potential to take us to Super Bowls and win Super Bowls, you really feel the pressure. So I'm just like, hang in there, thinking about you.
It's Philly, so ride the wave. And we rode the wave with him all the way to the Super Bowl where it wasn't even a question whether or not we were going to win.
I will say in terms of quarterbacks specifically, obviously they're usually the face of the organization at the time, like during their duration. And I do think that it's been made clear in not so distant history of the team that not everyone's cut out for this area.
Not everyone is cut out to handle Philly. Our media is tough.
They're honest, but so are the fans. And my husband always says there are some of the most educated football fans that it makes it difficult to argue with their opinions, which I think is a testament to how passionate our city is.
That's the part that most people don't get. Like our fans are so educated.
Obviously, we lead with our hearts, no doubt about it. Like we do lead with our hearts, but our brains are part of the process.
Like they, you know, sometimes I'll say this. we got fans like that in South Carolina where sometimes they are posting stuff on social media.
I'm like, hmm, you might have a point there that I wasn't even thinking about. So let me take a look.
Let me see the numbers. Philly fans are are just it's a it's a lifestyle like it's a lifestyle to cheer for the Eagles, the Sixers, the Fly, anything Philly, it's a lifestyle.
It's a part of our very existence for our teams to do well. And yes, it's a play on the heart, but it's also knowing what you're talking about.
Knowing that you can, if you're going to argue, you're going to have some facts. I mean, and you're going to speak from emotions and always talk about facts and emotions.
Like some people react in such a way that is so emotional to them that they tend not to think about the facts and they tend not to speak on the facts. They're just speaking because they're so hurt.
Philly fans speak from emotions and facts. Now, I'd love to get a little more into your coaching career.
You are not only one of the greatest women's basketball coaches ever, but you are literally one of the greatest coaches, period. You were inducted into your third Hall of Fame.
They're going to have to start making new halls of fame at this point out of all of them. Is there one that you're most proud of? Absolutely.
And which is that? It's the Naismith Hall of Fame, like basketball Hall of Fame. I got, you know, when you, when you play a sport, that was probably the only selfish award that I wanted.
Like I didn't really care about anything else. But the Naismith was near and dear to me because so many greats are in it.
Like, and I don't think it's political. Like, some of them are political where, you know, you let this person in, you know, it's a down year.
Let this person in because they're popular, right? They're going to bring people in to bring people in and it's you know for me I don't think this Naismith Hall of Fame is is one that is um done in a in a way that's going to bring somebody in that's just really popular um so I wanted that one and secretly I want it as a coach as well like I want to go in as a player and now as a coach because I just spent finished my 25th year coaching and I'm like is it is it Hall of Fame worthy and the Hall of Fame nominating committee will will be the ones that will let me know if my coaching career is worthy you know know, to be in the hall of fame as a coach. I mean, proof's in the pudding.
I'm biased though. All the people, all the people in Philly, when they, when they listen to this, okay, good luck to somebody's email down there.
Right. We love to manifest things around here.
So guys get to moving. You get it.
Now, one of the most

impressive parts of your coaching career is that you actually started coaching when you were still playing in the WNBA. You started your career at Temple.
I believe it was six years. Is that right? that you coached and played.
How the hell did you do that?

One, Temple came after me,

like when I'm in the prime of my career,

to ask me if I wanted to coach.

And I really turned him down like three times.

Like I'm like, no, I want to coach.

You got to respect some persistence.

And then I sat down with the AD.

He was like, basically two questions.

Can you turn, Temple? Can you lead? That's number one. Can I lead?

Can I lead? Did you do your research? Like, really? I was the captain on every team that I played on. So I was like, yes, I can lead.
And then he asked me if I could turn Temple Women's Basketball Program around. And I'm drawn to challenges.
and I'm like, man, is this a challenge?

And then, you know, he took me through a series of interviews in which I didn't even think I was being I didn't even know I was being interviewed. Like it was a formal interview.
And I didn't know it because I'm at the time, 29, 30 years old. And all of my interviews were tryouts.
Like I've never been on like a, like a real interview. And needless to say, they were so impressionable.
I took the job two weeks later. And then, I mean, part of the process was I don't want to stop playing.
Like I want to play in the WNBA. I want to continue to play as long as I can play.
And they were like, okay, fine. But then you get a staff together and then you realize that it's doable.
Yes, I'm away probably five or six months out of the year. But when you have a really good staff that's creative, that has more basketball experience than I do, we found a way to get it done.
Now, I like to do a segment with some of my guests called Coach Me Up. It's where I ask for their expert advice on something.
I am currently still a high school field hockey coach. I coach at the high school that I went to right outside of Philly.
And so I would love for you to coach me up on coaching. so what is something that I can do at the high school level to bring out the best

of my players?

This is going to be a weird one though.

I'm telling you, it's the parents.

You have to get to the parents.

Like the parents are, are key.

Here's why.

Because a lot of times young people are, Are talking to their parents a lot more than I talk to my parents, don't my plan days, then probably you talk to your parents on your plan days. You're a little bit younger, so you might you might you might have talked to you.
You might not have talked to your parents or you might. I don't know.
But I find that young people talk to their parents so much that the parents are feeding them something. And if it isn't anything that you believe is going to help their child or you believe that's going to help your team, then it's counterintuitive.
Yes. Yes.
So if you could talk to the parents and I know it's exhausting, it is.

But if you can get them saying the messaging that you want them, that their daughters to have, have to battle. Like you've won.
You certainly won when you got the parents. I don't know about you at the college level, but I feel like every day I'm learning some type of new Gen Z term.
Is there any vocabulary that you've learned over the last few years where you're just like, okay, that must be new? A whole lot. Right? Like Riz.
I don't really know what Riz is. Is that Riz?

Like the acronyms.

Yes.

And the emojis.

Like, I don't know.

Like, and I got to give you this.

Like, I'm talking to a parent, right?

She's upset because her child didn't play a whole lot.

And I'm like, your child did play.

She just didn't play well.

So I got to put somebody else in that's more productive. Right.
And it's all through text messaging. So when I said that she did this to me.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
The thumbs down. Like that's, I'm like, uh- like, this me, 10, 9, 8, 7.
Like, I had a 10, I had a countdown before I responded. And then I'm like, hey, look, we can agree to disagree agreeably, but we can't be disrespectful.
Like, use your words. We're adults.
Like, use your words. I may not like it.
You may not like it. Like, but let's, let's, let's talk.
Let's just talk it out. So it's just things like that, that sometimes you, for text messaging for me, I mean, I could probably figure it out when we're just having a normal conversation, a face-to-face.
It's the text messages, responses that really, like that show my age, like band. I had a, I had a talk with my team a few years ago because I had to explain to them that at the very least they needed to type complete words.
Because I was like, we can be informal, right? Like we can have that back and forth, but you can also type a message to me and spell out thanks instead of THX. I was like, that's not coming to me.
You can text that to your friends. That's not coming to me.
Try again. Because we're trying to prepare ourselves for potentially college or a professional setting.
You, I know you are not texting your boss, THX. Beautiful.
You keep doing that really. I mean, it takes a lot of stamina to do it.
I know it does like the correct each and every one of them, but they don't know what they don't know. Like they don't know what's out there.
And I'm the same way. Like I really am the same way because, you know, one for us is for them, it's branding.
Like they're a brand now. Like they, how they respond and react and what they post it.
Those are great things that, that has helped us. So we're utilizing the NIL space to help them have a better appearance out there, especially social media-wise.
Now, you've coached against some of the WNBA's current best players when they were at the college level. I would love to bring up Caitlin Clark because you specifically just had a quote where you said she will probably go down as one of the greatest players to ever grace the league.
Is Caitlin the best player you've coached against in college and who's really up there? The best player we coached against? Well, we only coached against Kaitlyn twice, right? Both times she had over 30, right? I don't know if there's a player that I coached against that had 30 points against us in the two times that they played. Both one's a win and one's a loss.
I would say she's probably the most difficult to scout, to play against in that she can beat you a variety of ways. She can beat you with her, obviously, a three-point shot.
But for me, the most dangerous thing of Kaitlyn Clark is her passing ability, her ability to make other people better, and her ability to have you know, other people's production along with her production. That's how you win.
If you can get somebody to produce along with her, if you could take that away. And that was our emphasis when we won, when we beat them in the semifinals.
No, actually, it was the finals last year. We said Caitlin Clark's going to get 30.
It is, she can't have 12 assists because if she's got 12 assists, then she's involving her teammates in a way that it doesn't quite add up. We can't produce enough points like they can.
And it's probably easy points. It's not even, they're probably layups.

Those 12 assists are probably layups.

They're not, you know, they're not three point shots because we could defend that. It's hard to defend a layup in transition when she's picking you apart, when they've created an advantage in transition.
So we try to really concentrate on those areas. So yes, I think she's quite incredible, quite an anomaly when it comes to how many eyeballs that she's bringing on the game and new eyeballs.
And the newness of those eyeballs only want her to do well, only want you to speak very highly of her, only want you to agree with what they agree with. And that's kind of hard when we are critics to everyone that plays the game.
We're critics to it. It's a part of our the fabric of sports.
To be able to... That's the heart of athletics.
Yes. It's the competition.
That's what we do. Like, you want to highlight Caitlin Clark for what she does well.
But if you are her opponent, you want to you want to zero in on the things that she doesn't do well. Right.
Like, you know, she's a risk taker when it comes to passing the ball. So she'll she'll turn the ball over some.
And that's a great thing if you're her opposition and her opponent. It's when she got everything else that's going on.
As her opponent, you want to detract from the amount of highlights that she provides on any given night. You want to take those highlights away.
You want to take those easy buckets away. She's going to be great.
It's hard for her not to be great because she's such a great player that can shoot the ball. When shooting is, you know, an incredible, you can shoot it from one step across half court.
You're very dangerous. But to me, what makes her really dangerous is her ability to pass the basketball.
So the idea that, uh, the you saying that people just want you to speak highly of her and speak positively. I think it, it's so interesting to view that as an athlete to, to think that like, that is exactly what's happening, that it's this idea that sort of like a player could do no wrong, like that's that is the point of like you talking about game planning against her like obviously things can be done wrong her taking risks on passing you being able to eliminate those options is what's going to then really work out the math for you guys to be able to take it it's it's really interesting to know that the opinions that are coming in are those fresh eyes are maybe people who haven't sort of been in sports throughout their life to understand that that is the competition that drives these games.
That is like, she would probably respect the fact that people are picking apart our weaknesses because she's on a, on a journey to try and eliminate those weaknesses herself. I mean, that's sports.
That's the heart of it. That's the heart of it.
And when you are singly focused on one thing, and that's for Caitlin Clark to do well, and they're going to tear my butt up for saying this. But I mean, I coached the best player in the world, Asia Wilson, and I tear her game apart.

I criticize her.

She's gotten better with certain areas.

I thought she could be a better rebounder.

I thought she could be a better defender.

I know she could score the basketball.

I know she could shoot the mid-range better than anybody, you know, in the, you know, in the game. That's what she was last year in the WNBA.
But can you shoot the three? Can you, can you, can you counter what you do well? Like, because that's what people are going to take away. If they take it away in the mid-range game, yes, you can get close to the basket, but close to the basket means you're going to attract a lot more people.
So being able to knock down the three ball will make her unstoppable with all the things that she's bringing to the table. And if I'm going to criticize my own, I'm going to criticize the people that are in the game.
And it's not to say that what they're bringing to the game isn't great, like great qualities, but nobody walks or plays this game perfectly. No one.
And also someone as elite as Asia Wilson, you know for a fact that she did not get where she is by assuming that her game was at the top and that she had nowhere to go, right? Like that her mindset has to be, I'm going to get better every single day. And so if I can receive that feedback and turn it into positive movement forward, that then, I mean, that, that is the elite athlete mindset.
Like she did not get there by not being able to say like, you know what? I do have some shortcomings. I'm going to fix that right now.
And I will say this, as we're talking about Caitlin Clark, when we did play them in the championship last year, there were like over 24 million people that watched the game. It topped 24 million.
The average was about 18 million that watched the game. And do I think that people tune in and watch Caitlin?

Absolutely.

Give her all the credit.

But when they tuned in, they saw a South Carolina team that was full of incredible talent that made our game better.

Like she brought more eyeballs to our game, but they found out that there's more really great players in our game that is worthy of being talked about and worthy of giving credit. So I think it's a win-win situation when we can have healthy conversation about what's happening in women's basketball and now the WNBA.
I might have been reluctant to go full minivan. I believe I've used the words, swore I'd never do this.
But Jason and our girls have always been on board. And now that I'm a few months in, they're definitely loving the Sienna, which makes it harder for me to keep resisting.
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He really was pushing a minivan. He's a big minivan guy.
The girls absolutely love the Sienna because school drop-offs, I just pressed to open the door, you remember, and released the Kraken. I released that Kraken right into that school because

boop, she's your problem now. You know what I mean? I will also say that we've taken some trips to the shore and we were lucky enough to get the screen feature in the back.
We have a TV. that is a game changer for the beach.
The girls are obsessed. Although I won't lie to you guys.
I will lie to my children till the day I die, but I won't lie to you guys. And I did lie and tell my children that the TV only works on long car rides.
If you're nervous to go full minivan, listen, I've been there. But hey, maybe check out your local Toyota dealer just for funsies.
Just fun. Go take a test drive.
Pop on that heated seat. No strings attached, you know? Go see Teresa.
You can learn more about the Toyota Sienna at www.toyota.com backslash Sienna. I'm very excited to talk to you more, some more about your book.
You have a New York Times bestseller, Uncommon Favor, which is now available. We'll put the link in the description.
I don't know if you remember this, but a friend of mine, Josie, went to your book signing in New York. And she said that, I said, can you please tell, I'm so excited to talk to her.
But she was so excited because we were talking about what an incredible accomplishment it is that you now have a book, ultimately, with all of your accolades, all of your accomplishments and your years of wisdom to drop on all of us. What made you decide to write it now? One, I'm getting older and I didn't want to forget the stuff.
That's one. Two, I just think the things that have been happening to me in my career, they're really good things.
I mean, we won an NCAA national championship in an undefeated fashion. And I'm like, that doesn't happen very often.
And then, I mean, so many great things have been happening to our program, to myself, that I felt like it was the right time to do it now. And it's not even a playoff, the fact that women's basketball is at its highest in demand and highest popularity.
It was more of for me to pay homage to Philly and North Philly, my mother, like in the game of basketball. Like I feel like I'm forever indebted to basketball.
And through coaching, I feel like I'm repaying the debt.

And it's a little scary when you put yourself out there. You don't know how you're going to be received.
But every single person, it really makes me a little softer. And we don't like to be soft in Philly.
It really strikes my heart in a way that makes me grateful for giving myself,

like opening myself up for the world to see. And it's been received incredibly.

Well, it gives people even more depth to be able to invest their love and appreciation

for what you've done in your life, what you've done for the city of Philadelphia. And like you said, you're letting people in.
I think that everybody, in any chance they can get to know you more and appreciate what you've done, I think that's an incredible opportunity you've provided us. I have one last

question for you. I know you've been asked this question, but I'm hoping it might be slightly harder to say no coming from me as a fellow Philly hype person.
If the WNBA team, if there was a team in Philly, would you ever consider coaching it?

Um, no.

No, no.

You know why? Because I'd rather be an owner. Okay.
I think there's much more in it to ownership. I think, I know a lot of people think that coaching is my best, um, attribute.
And I, yeah, I do think I'm a pretty good coach. But when I'm an owner, I could probably touch more people.
Let's do it. I'll invest.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I do think that Philly is a great market for it.
as passionate as we are and as much momentum as women's sports has right now, guys, come on. It's easy.
I will say this and I've said this, we do have to get the Sixers going. Yes.
It really helps. We don't have to worry about the Eagles.
We can help each other. Right.
We've got to propel each other forward. Yeah.
So that, you know, like the, the, the, the professional teams, you know, are the cornerstones of our city. Like they are like the Eagles are, you got it going on.
The Fires, the Phillies, like we got it going on. The Sixers have got to get it going on.
And I do think it will be more welcomed. Right now it is not.
Right now it is not. But timing, timing is key.
Like it really is. When the time is right, it will be around for a long time.
If it's forced on, on Philadelphians, you give us room. Yeah.
You give us room to criticize it. If it doesn't, if it doesn't start off right, you give, you give Philly room to, you know, boo Santa Claus, like, right.
Yep., yeah. Snowballs.
Yes.

For sure.

Absolutely. I cannot thank you enough for joining me today for this conversation.
It is so refreshing to hear all of your thoughts and knowledge about coaching and being an athlete and how much sports has done for you. And just like I said, the impressive resume that you have put together is, it's for a reason.
You are so incredible at everything that you do. And I really appreciate you sharing that knowledge with me today.
You can purchase Dawn's bestselling book, Uncommon Favor, right now Amazon. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much. I look for, I so look forward to us having this conversation.
So I appreciate you and all that you do. Thank you for loving up on Philly.
Always can't stop me. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie.
You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Dawn Staley on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode, and we've got something very special planned.
You might just see

me in a brand new location. A summery spot, you could say.
God, I love that dance floor. We will

be holding a yoga class on the beach. Doesn't that sound lovely? At 8 a.m.
the morning of the guest bartending event at the OD. And I would love to see some real ones there.
All of the registration fees associated with this yoga class will be going directly to our efforts of fundraising that day and going to the Eagles Autism Foundation. We're doing it in conjunction with Stride, which is a locally owned business, a female owned business.
You know, we love to women lifting women. And I hope to see you guys there again.
All details for that will be on my social media and shared at NGL with Kylie. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
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