Kylie on Pin-Up Jason Tattoo, Coaching vs. Caitlin Clark & Bleeding Green with Dawn Staley | Ep. 23

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Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie, yesterday I was caught off guard because I asked Wyatt, are you for real, for real? And she said,

Speaker 1 no, it's pretend, pretend.

Speaker 1 I had to stifle a laugh on that one because she was deadass.

Speaker 1 Let's start this podcast.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave Original, brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places.

Speaker 1 I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, former lifeguard, self-appointed rom-com historian, and I guess I'm going to have to watch the next season of Traitors.

Speaker 1 That's right. Donna Kelsey, my mother-in-law, is on this coming season of Traitors.
Have I watched Traitors? Not a whole season. Am I excited to watch Donna? A thousand percent.

Speaker 1 I'm going to cheer her on till the end of time.

Speaker 1 I am not going to lie, though.

Speaker 1 Her innocence and honesty is working against her

Speaker 2 or for her.

Speaker 1 Oh, if she's a faithful, maybe it works for her.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 1 we're all on the edge of our seat. I'm excited.
Come on, Donna. Win it.

Speaker 1 Coming up on today's episode, I think the real ones already know what needs to be addressed on Doom Scroll of the Week. The Jason pin-up tattoo.

Speaker 1 I'm still not sure if I have the words, but I'm going to try and find them.

Speaker 1 And then I'm going to be joined by the six-time WNBA All-Star and three-time NCAA championship winning head coach, Philly Zone, Coach Dawn Staley. Not gonna lie, I'm pretty nervous.

Speaker 1 Nervous enough to have Mark Pitsui. I'm so excited to talk to her about coaching

Speaker 1 because she is the coach.

Speaker 1 Gosh, here we go. But before we get to all that, last week I posed a question to the real ones.
What age do we stop wiping our children's butts?

Speaker 1 And I was hoping that you all could send in your suggestions of when you had that experience and then we can add them all up,

Speaker 1 divide by the total. You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Simple math. As always, the comment section delivered, okay? It says my oldest will be seven in August and it's half and half pooping.
She'll let us know if it's a mushy one.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, and needs help. But she's pretty good at washing.
When it will be my youngest's turn, I'm not going to trust her. That,

Speaker 1 that is so real that you know that it's dependent on the individual involved. It seems that the general consensus can be summed up with this comment.
Stop wiping before kindergarten.

Speaker 1 Signed, a kindergarten teacher.

Speaker 1 Outstanding.

Speaker 1 Everybody knows. around here we love and appreciate all of our educators so for that before kindergarten is a hard heck yeah.

Speaker 1 Now that we've taken care of that, let's move on to a brand new edition of, can I be honest?

Speaker 1 My kids are officially done with their school year, so I thought I'd get honest about summer break as a parent. Everybody knows that when school lets out, that means we have all day, every day at home

Speaker 1 with each other. It's so much fun.
We're having fun. fun.
But this summer is the first summer where the girls are actually going to do some camps.

Speaker 1 And when I say camps, I mean they're five and four, guys. We're doing like a, it's like a three to four day situation.

Speaker 1 I think it's maximum three hours. Like we're really, it's just to get them out

Speaker 1 somewhere else, anywhere else, and moving around. I will say that our age range right now, five to

Speaker 1 I don't even know how old the youngest one is. 10 weeks, 11 weeks.
I don't know. You get it.

Speaker 1 She's new.

Speaker 1 It's hard to find an activity for everyone.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 as long as I can hook Finn to the front of me and everybody else has their shoes on, we just, we get the heck out.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Oh,

Speaker 1 Queen Emma put this in the rundown.

Speaker 1 She put, what are the best. time-consuming summer activities for toddlers.
I'm going to tell you right now, I am a tried and true water table lady.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Now, the number of times I have to say, don't drink it enough to send anybody over the edge.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Especially with three of them, because you're telling each of them individually, do not drink the water in the water table.

Speaker 1 And then on top of that, you're trying to tell them not to convince each other to then drink the water in the water table.

Speaker 1 I think the key is. not to give them anything that resembles a cup.

Speaker 1 But who are we kidding? I gave them a shovel a couple of weeks ago and they tried to drink it out of that. I will say,

Speaker 1 either send them out in a bathing suit or know that they are going to need to completely change clothes when you are done. And if

Speaker 1 your child plays nicely in a water table and you do not need to change their clothes after,

Speaker 1 you're a race sensory bin mom.

Speaker 1 I said what I said. I said what I said.

Speaker 1 You

Speaker 1 do kinetic sand in the house.

Speaker 1 Do you see what I'm saying? That's it for Can I Be Honest about summer break. Next up,

Speaker 1 it's time.

Speaker 1 At the time of this recording, it's been exactly four days, 17 hours and 34 minutes since I first Doom scrolled upon the Pin Up Jason tattoo. If you haven't seen this image yet, shield your eyes.

Speaker 1 I'm kidding. Queen Emma, hit it.

Speaker 3 God.

Speaker 1 Just.

Speaker 1 It is, for my listeners, a,

Speaker 1 I don't even know. I genuinely don't even know where to start.

Speaker 1 My response to this was, excuse me, and I still stand by that because this image, for my listeners, is an image of my husband kneeling with one hand behind his head, pumping his

Speaker 1 boobs out, and

Speaker 1 arching his back.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 1 describing it. Oh, God.
Describing it is even worse than

Speaker 1 it's even worse.

Speaker 1 And he has

Speaker 1 an eagle

Speaker 1 in his crotch. I don't know how else to say that.

Speaker 1 Someone then commented and said, My first thought was, What's Kylie going to say about this? And I replied to that, Kylie doesn't even know where to start.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Couple things that I have learned since seeing this tattoo.

Speaker 1 Apparently, it is two years old. That's right.
This sucker has been in existence for the last two years.

Speaker 1 The other thing I have learned is that it is on a woman

Speaker 1 and that

Speaker 1 she lost a bet, that she's actually a Giants fan who lost a bet with her husband.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Her husband is an Eagles fan.

Speaker 1 Apparently, they do bets like this all the time. She has a lot of tattoos, so I guess it isn't that crazy that she put this

Speaker 1 on her body.

Speaker 1 A couple things that I want to address: there is a bunch of people in the comments of this TikTok that are very confused about the Eagle crotch, and they think that it's like someone creatively came up with that.

Speaker 1 If you search the body image issue when the Eagles' offensive line was in it, they had Eagles' masks.

Speaker 1 It doesn't make it better. It doesn't make this.
This doesn't make it better. They had Eagles masks on their crotch.

Speaker 1 I will say that if you have not seen this yet, it is

Speaker 1 oddly spot on. I mean,

Speaker 1 like, very well captured his

Speaker 1 physique, specifically the gray spot, like the silver fox on the side of his head. I genuinely,

Speaker 1 this is one of those situations where

Speaker 1 when I had no context, my thought was no notes.

Speaker 1 No notes, you nailed that.

Speaker 1 To the tattoo artist, way to go. I don't, the creativity on this one,

Speaker 1 you nailed it. This TikTok specifically has reminded me,

Speaker 1 it might be a good time to bring back one of our favorite segments around here. That's right.
It's fucked around to find out.

Speaker 1 I think that people are posting what

Speaker 1 they would think is a thirst trap of my husband. We got some people in these comments.
They are fucking around. They're fucking around because they're saying things like

Speaker 1 how fine my husband is,

Speaker 1 or that they would like a piece,

Speaker 1 or they're doing the little drool emoji. I'm going to need you to sit down,

Speaker 1 put your tongues back in your mouth,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 be respectful.

Speaker 1 That man is a father to my children,

Speaker 1 and also

Speaker 1 agreed. If I were not a

Speaker 1 trying to be a responsible adult, I would also be commenting those things under my husband's thrust traps.

Speaker 1 Because, same,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 1 that's mine.

Speaker 1 That's mine. So I'm going to need you to get your drool comments

Speaker 1 out of there

Speaker 1 specifically.

Speaker 1 You guys could do some like hard eyes.

Speaker 1 What I will say is that I don't read comments often, but I have seen a fair amount of people.

Speaker 1 They're falling for the thirst traps.

Speaker 1 But it's actually not on the market. That man is

Speaker 1 he mine.

Speaker 1 But I will say is they are nicely balanced and complimented by the people

Speaker 1 who say in comments, or

Speaker 1 I've seen it here and there of people saying respectfully to Kylie, or

Speaker 1 if I didn't know that Kylie would come for me, I would say, and then they say what they want to say,

Speaker 1 real recognize real.

Speaker 1 i really appreciate you at least acknowledging me before you drool all over my husband that was that's respectful i appreciate that

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 1 but that's mine till the end of time

Speaker 1 that's mine

Speaker 1 that's all i'm saying uh and just a reminder a gentle reminder uh

Speaker 1 he's not on tick tock but you know who is

Speaker 1 me. And if I catch you in my Doom Scroll and you are fucking around,

Speaker 1 you might find out. You might.
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Speaker 1 She's the six-time WNBA All-Star, three-time Olympic gold medalist, and three-time NCAA championship winning head coach.

Speaker 1 She's also a best-selling author, Hall of Famer, and maybe most importantly, a Philadelphia legend. Dawn Staley, welcome to Not Gonna Lie and Go Birds.

Speaker 6 Go freaking birds.

Speaker 2 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 Of course. Thank you for coming on.
I'm not going to lie. Somehow we have not met in person.
I am a huge fan, but we've nearly met a couple times at this point.

Speaker 1 There's was actually a photo of you and Jason and Travis in a suite at a Phillies game last playoffs.

Speaker 1 I was actually at that game and Jason came back to the suite and was like, you'll never guess who I just saw. And I was very jealous.
I was very jealous about that.

Speaker 1 Now, I think we're going to agree on this, but I want to say for good measure, Philly is the best sports town in the world. Is that right? Would you agree with that? Without a doubt.
Okay, perfect.

Speaker 1 I want to make sure we're not leaning towards the south. I know you spend most of your time there now.

Speaker 6 No, no. I, and I tell people down here, like, like, I, I work here.

Speaker 2 I'm not from here. Like, I'm from Philly.

Speaker 6 And you, I mean, I rock jerseys. Like, I rock jerks.

Speaker 2 Oh, I've seen that on it.

Speaker 1 I mean, court side. Yes.
Listen. I love it.

Speaker 6 And, and some people, some diehard fans here, they send emails. They, they post

Speaker 6 social media messages about my attire. Like, I should be wearing the school colors.

Speaker 6 I should be, yeah, I do wear the school colors, but also when we're going as far as we're going, when we win Super Bowls, you're going to see me in some Eagles gear.

Speaker 1 Like me, like you were saying, you've been a lifelong Eagles fan.

Speaker 1 I can admit that I'm a little biased when it comes to having a favorite Eagles player, but do you currently have one?

Speaker 6 I do. I do.
And who is it? It's an easy one, though, because it's

Speaker 6 QB1, Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 And I know that you guys have supported each other in some of the things that you've had going on recently. You

Speaker 1 have been on record talking about texting him before Super Bowl, and he obviously was supporting you guys in the national championship last year.

Speaker 1 How did you guys first get connected, and what is that support system like?

Speaker 6 We have a mutual friend in

Speaker 6 Deuce Daly, who used to be an assistant coach with the Eagles.

Speaker 1 My husband speaks very highly of Deuce.

Speaker 6 So he introduced us. I know sometimes

Speaker 6 when you play for a team that's in Philly and you're the quarterback, like you're the star, it really is a lonely place. It's a lonely place.
He's QB1.

Speaker 6 We lose. The city goes crazy, right? Like, crazy.
So I'm just like, I know it's a lonely place. Sometimes I just text him, hey, you know, don't get too high with the highs or low.
He doesn't.

Speaker 6 He doesn't now. He's the one.
He's the coolest cat that I know.

Speaker 6 But sometimes you need to hear, like, like you're the only one that's going to feel the pressure of everybody else because other people in other positions can just kind of go under the radar so to speak but when it's the quarterback and when we know you got potential to take us to to to super bowls and win super bowls you really feel the pressure so i'm just like hanging there thinking about you it's philly so ride the wave and We rode the wave with him all the way to the Super Bowl where it wasn't even a question question whether or not we were going to win.

Speaker 1 I will say, in terms of quarterbacks specifically, obviously they're usually the face of the organization at the time, like during their duration. And I do think that it's

Speaker 1 been made clear in

Speaker 1 not so distant history of the team that not everyone's cut out for this area. Not everyone is cut out to handle Philly.
Our media is tough. They're honest, but so are the fans.

Speaker 1 And my husband always says they're some of the most educated football fans that it makes it difficult to argue with their opinions, which I think is a testament to how passionate our city is.

Speaker 6 That's the part that most people don't get. Like

Speaker 6 our fans are so educated. Obviously,

Speaker 6 we lead with our hearts. No doubt about it.
Like we do lead with our hearts, but our brains are part of the process. Like they, you know,

Speaker 6 sometimes I'll say this. We got fans like that in South Carolina where sometimes they are, they are posting stuff on social media.

Speaker 6 I'm like, hmm, you might have a point there that wasn't, that I wasn't even thinking about. So let me, let me take a look.
Let me see the numbers. Philly fans are

Speaker 6 just,

Speaker 6 it's a lifestyle.

Speaker 6 It's a lifestyle to cheer for the Eagles, the Sixers, the Fly, anything Philly. It's a lifestyle.
Like it's a part of our very existence for our teams to do well.

Speaker 6 And it's, yes, it's a play on the heart, but it's also knowing what you're talking about. Like, knowing that you can, like, if you're going to argue, you're going to have some facts.

Speaker 6 I mean, and you're going to speak from emotions and always talk about

Speaker 6 facts and emotions. Like,

Speaker 6 some people react in such a way that it's so emotional to them that they tend not to think about the facts. And they tend tend not to speak on the facts.
They're just speaking because they're so hurt.

Speaker 6 Philly fans speak from emotions and facts.

Speaker 1 Now, I'd love to get a little more into your coaching career. You are not only one of the greatest women's basketball coaches ever, but you are literally one of the greatest coaches, period.

Speaker 1 You were inducted into your third Hall of Fame. They're going to have to start making new halls of fame at this point out of all of them.
Is there one that you're most proud of? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 and which is the naismith

Speaker 6 hall of fame like basketball hall of fame like i you know when you when you play a sport that was probably the only selfish award that i wanted like i didn't really care about anything else but the naismith was near and dear to me because

Speaker 6 so many greats are in it like and i don't think it's political Like some of them are political where, you know, you let this person in, you know, it's a down year, let this person in because they're popular, right?

Speaker 6 They're going to bring people in. And it's, you know, for me, I don't think this Naismith Hall of Fame is

Speaker 6 one that is

Speaker 6 done

Speaker 6 in a way that's going to bring somebody in that's just really popular.

Speaker 6 So I wanted that one, and secretly, I wanted as a coach as well. Like, I want to go in as a player.
And now, as a coach, because I just spent

Speaker 6 finished my 25th year coaching, and I'm like,

Speaker 6 is it Hall of Fame worthy?

Speaker 6 And the Hall of Fame nominating committee will be the ones that will let me know if my coaching career is worthy, you know, to be in the Hall of Fame as a coach.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 proofs in the pudding. I'm biased, though.

Speaker 6 All the people in Philly, when they listen to this, okay, good luck to somebody's email down in the description.

Speaker 1 We love to manifest things around here. So guys, get to moving.
You get it.

Speaker 1 Now, one of the most impressive parts of your coaching career is that you actually started coaching when you were still playing in the WNBA. You started your career at Temple.

Speaker 1 I believe it was six years. Is that right? That you coached and played.

Speaker 2 How the

Speaker 1 hell did you do that?

Speaker 6 One.

Speaker 6 Temple came after me like when I'm in the prime of my career to ask me if I wanted to coach. And really turned them down like three times.
Like, I'm like,

Speaker 1 you got to respect some persistence.

Speaker 6 And then I sat down with the AD. He was like, basically, two questions: Can you turn Temple?

Speaker 6 Can you lead? That's number one. Can I lead? I'm like, Can I lead?

Speaker 6 Did you do your research? Like, really?

Speaker 6 I was the captain on every team that I played on. So I was like, Yes, I can lead.
And then he asked me if I can turn Temple Women's Basketball program around. And I'm drawn to challenges.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, like,

Speaker 6 man,

Speaker 6 is this a challenge?

Speaker 6 And then, you know, he took me through a series of interviews in which I didn't even think I was being, I didn't even know I was being interviewed. Like, it was a formal interview.

Speaker 6 And I didn't know it because

Speaker 6 I'm at the time 29, 30 years old. And all of my interviews were tryouts.
Like, I've never been on like a, like a real interview. And needless to say, they were so impressionable.

Speaker 6 I took the job two weeks later.

Speaker 2 And then,

Speaker 6 I mean, part of the process was, I don't want to stop playing. Like, I want to play in the WNBA.
I want to continue to play as long as I can play. And they were like, okay,

Speaker 2 fine.

Speaker 6 But then you get a staff together and then you realize that it's doable. Yes, I'm away probably five or six months out of the year.

Speaker 6 But when you have a really good staff, that's creative, that has more basketball experience than I do,

Speaker 6 we found a way to get it done.

Speaker 1 Now, I like to do a segment with some of my guests called Coach Me Up.

Speaker 1 It's where I ask for their expert advice on something.

Speaker 1 I am currently still a high school field hockey coach. I coach at the high school that I went to right outside of Philly.

Speaker 1 And so I would love for you to coach me up on coaching.

Speaker 1 So, what is something that I can do at the high school level to bring out the best in my players?

Speaker 6 This is going to be a weird one, though. I'm telling you.
It's the parents.

Speaker 6 You have to get to the parents. Like, the parents are key.
Here's why. Because a lot of times young people are

Speaker 6 talking to their parents a lot more than I talk to my parents during my playing days,

Speaker 6 than probably you talk to your parents during your plan days. You're a little bit younger, so

Speaker 6 you might not have talked to your parents, or you might, I don't know. But I find that young people talk to their parents so much that the parents are feeding them something.

Speaker 6 And if it isn't anything that you believe is going to help their child, or you believe that's going to help your team, then

Speaker 1 it's counterintuitive.

Speaker 6 Yes, yes. So, if you can talk to the parents, and I know it's exhausting, it is,

Speaker 6 but if you can get them saying the messaging that you want them,

Speaker 1 that their daughters to have,

Speaker 6 have to battle. Like you've won.
You certainly won when you got the parents.

Speaker 1 I don't know about you at the college level, but I feel like every day I'm learning some type of new Gen Z term.

Speaker 1 Is there any vocabulary that you've learned over the last few years where you're just like, oh, okay, that must be new?

Speaker 2 A whole lot. Right?

Speaker 7 Like, Riz. I don't really know what Riz is.
That Riz?

Speaker 7 Like the acronyms. Yes.
And the emojis.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 7 I don't know. Like,

Speaker 7 and I got to give you this. Like, I'm talking to a parent, right?

Speaker 7 She's upset because her child didn't play a whole lot. And I'm like, your child did play.
She just didn't play well. So I got to put somebody else in that's more productive.
Right.

Speaker 7 And it's all through text messaging. So when I said that, she did this to me.

Speaker 7 Oh,

Speaker 7 okay.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the thumbs down. Like, that's, I'm like,

Speaker 7 I'm like, this me.

Speaker 2 10,

Speaker 7 9,

Speaker 2 8,

Speaker 7 7. Like,

Speaker 7 I had to count down before I responded. And then I'm like, hey, look.

Speaker 7 We can agree to disagree agreeably, but we can't be disrespectful. Like, like,

Speaker 7 use your words. We're adults.
Like, use your words. I may not like it.
You may not like it. Like, but let's, let's, let's talk.
Let's just talk it out. So, it's just things like that.

Speaker 7 That sometimes you, you, for text messaging for me, I mean, I could probably figure it out when we're just having a normal conversation, a face-to-face.

Speaker 7 It's the text messages, responses that really like that show my age. Like, bam.

Speaker 1 I had a talk with my team a few years ago because I had to explain to them that at the very least they needed to type complete words

Speaker 1 because I was like, we can be informal, right? Like we can have that back and forth, but you can also type a message to me and spell out thanks instead of T-H-X. I was like,

Speaker 1 that's not coming to me.

Speaker 1 You can text that to your friends. That's not coming to me.
Try again.

Speaker 1 Because we're trying to prepare ourselves for potentially college or a professional setting you yeah i know you are not texting your boss tx

Speaker 7 beautiful you keep doing that really keep i mean it it takes a lot of stamina to do it i know it does like to correct each and every one of them but they don't know what they don't know like they don't know what's out there and and i'm the i'm the same way like i really am the same way because you know one for for us is for them it's branding.

Speaker 7 Like they're a brand now. Like they, how they respond and react and what they post.
And

Speaker 7 those are great things that has helped us. So we're utilizing the NIL space to help them

Speaker 7 have a better appearance out there, especially social media-wise.

Speaker 1 Now, you've coached against some of the WNBA's. current best players when they were at the college level.

Speaker 1 I bring this, I would love to bring up Caitlin Clark because you specifically just had a quote where you said she will probably go down as one of the greatest players to ever grace the league.

Speaker 1 Is Caitlin the best player you've coached against in college and who's really up there?

Speaker 7 The best player we coached against?

Speaker 7 Well, we only played, only coached against Caitlin twice,

Speaker 7 right?

Speaker 7 Both times she had over 30, right?

Speaker 7 I don't know if there's a player that I coached against that had 30 points against us in the two times that they played, both ones that win and ones a loss.

Speaker 7 I would say she's probably the most difficult to scout to play against in that

Speaker 7 she can beat you a variety of ways. She can beat you with her, obviously, her three-point shot.

Speaker 7 But for me, the most dangerous thing of Caitlin Clark is her passing ability, her ability to make other people better, and her ability to have, you know, other people's production along with her production.

Speaker 7 That's how you win. If you can get somebody to produce along with her,

Speaker 7 if you could take that away, and that was our emphasis when we won, when we beat them in the semifinals. No, actually, it was the finals last year.

Speaker 7 We said Caitlin Clark's going to get 30.

Speaker 7 It is, she can't have 12 assists because if she's got 12 assists, then she's involving her teammates in a way that

Speaker 7 it doesn't quite add up. We can't produce enough points like they can.
And it's probably easy points. It's not even, they're probably layups.
Those 12 assists are probably layups.

Speaker 7 They're not, you know, they're not three-point shots because we can defend that. It's hard to defend a layup in transition when she's picking you apart when they've created an advantage in transition.

Speaker 7 So we try to really concentrate on those areas. So yes, I think she's quite incredible, quite an anomaly when it comes to how many eyeballs that she's bringing on the game and new eyeballs.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 the newness of those eyeballs only want her to do well, only want you to speak very highly of her, only, you know, want you to agree with what they agree with. And that's kind of hard when

Speaker 7 we are critics. to everyone that plays the game.
We're critics to it. It's a part of the fabric of sports to be able to be a part of athletics.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 It's the competition.

Speaker 7 That's what we do. Like you want to you want to highlight Caitlin Clark for what she does well.
But if you are her opponent,

Speaker 7 you want to zero in on the things that she doesn't do well. Right? Like, you know, she's a risk taker when it comes to passing the ball.
So she'll, she'll turn the ball over some.

Speaker 7 And that's a great thing if you're her opposition and her opponent.

Speaker 7 It's when she got everything else that's going on.

Speaker 7 As her opponent,

Speaker 7 you want to detract from the amount of highlights that she provides on any given night.

Speaker 7 You want to take those highlights away. You want to take those easy buckets away.
She's going to be great. It's hard for her not to be great because she's such a great player that can shoot the ball.

Speaker 7 When shooting is, you know, an incredible, and you can shoot shoot it from one step across half court, you're very dangerous.

Speaker 7 But to me, what makes her really dangerous is her ability to pass the basketball.

Speaker 1 The idea that

Speaker 1 you saying that people just want you to speak highly of her and speak positively, I think it's so interesting to view that as an athlete.

Speaker 1 to think that like that is exactly what's happening that it's this idea that sort of like a player could do no wrong but like that's that is the point of like you talking about game planning against her like obviously things can be done wrong her taking risks on passing you being able to eliminate those options is what's going to then really work out the math for you guys to be able to take it it's it's really interesting to know that the opinions that are coming in are those fresh eyes are maybe people who haven't sort of been in sports throughout their life to understand that that is the competition that drives these games.

Speaker 1 That is, like,

Speaker 1 she would probably respect the fact that people are picking apart her weaknesses because she's on a journey to try and eliminate those weaknesses herself.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's sports.

Speaker 1 Like, like, that's the heart of it.

Speaker 7 That's the heart of it. And when you are singly focused on one thing, and that's for Caitlin Clark to do well, and they're gonna tear my butt up for saying this.
But I mean,

Speaker 6 I have

Speaker 7 i i coached the best player in the world asia wilson and i tear her game apart like i i criticize her you know she's since she's she's gotten better with certain areas like i i thought she could be a better rebounder i thought she could be a better defender like i know she could score the basketball i know she could shoot you know i know she could shoot the mid-range better than anybody you know in the you know in the game that's what she was last year in the w nba but can you shoot the three can

Speaker 7 Can you counter what you do well?

Speaker 7 Like, because that's what people are going to take away. If they're taking away the mid-range game, yes, you can get close to the basket, but close to the basket means

Speaker 7 you're going to attract a lot more people. So, being able to knock down the three ball will make her unstoppable

Speaker 7 with all the things that she's bringing to the table.

Speaker 7 And if I'm going to criticize my own, I'm going to criticize the people that are in the game.

Speaker 7 And it's not to say that what they're bringing to the game isn't great, like great qualities, but nobody walks or plays this game perfectly. No one.

Speaker 1 And also, someone as elite as Asia Wilson, you know, for a fact that she did not get where she is by assuming that her game was at the top and that she had nowhere to go, right?

Speaker 1 Like that, her mindset has to be, I'm going to get better every single day.

Speaker 1 And so if I can receive that feedback and turn it into positive movement forward, that then, I mean, that you, that is the elite athlete mindset.

Speaker 1 Like she did not get there by not being able to say, like, you know what, I do have some shortcomings. I'm going to fix that right now.

Speaker 7 And I will say this, as we're talking about Caitlin and Clark, when we did play them in the championship last year,

Speaker 7 there were like over 24 million people that watched the game.

Speaker 7 It topped 24 million. The average was about 18 million that watched the game.
And do I think that people tune in to watch Caitlin? Absolutely. Give her all the credit.

Speaker 7 But when they tuned in, they saw a South Carolina team that was full of incredible talent that made our game better. Like she brought more eyeballs to our game, but

Speaker 7 they found out that there's more really great players

Speaker 7 in our game that... is worthy of being talked about and worthy of giving, you know, giving credit.

Speaker 7 So I think it's a win-win situation when

Speaker 7 we can have healthy conversation about what's happening in women's basketball and now the WNBA.

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And now that I'm a few months in,

Speaker 1 They're definitely loving the sienna, which makes it harder for me to keep resisting. I will tell you, Jason is basking in the fact that I have caved about a minivan.
He's been trying this for years.

Speaker 1 He really was pushing a minivan. He's a big minivan guy.
The girls absolutely love the sienna because school drop-offs, I just

Speaker 1 pressed to open the door, you remember, and release the Kraken. I released that Kraken right into that school because

Speaker 1 boop, she's your problem now. You know what I mean? I will also say that we've taken some trips to to the shore and we were lucky enough to get the

Speaker 1 screen feature in the back. We have a TV.

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I will lie to my children till the day I die, but I won't lie to you guys. And I did lie and tell my children that the TV

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You can learn more about the Toyota Siena at www.toyota.com backslash sienna. I'm very excited to talk to you more,

Speaker 1 some more about your book. You have a New York Times bestseller, Uncommon Favor,

Speaker 1 which is now available. We'll put the link in the description.
I don't know if you remember this, but a friend of mine, Josie, went to your book signing in New York.

Speaker 1 And she said that I said, can you please tell Dawn? I'm so excited to talk to her.

Speaker 1 But she was so excited because we were talking about what an incredible accomplishment it is

Speaker 1 that you now have a book. ultimately with all of your accolades, all of your accomplishments and your years of wisdom to drop on all of us.

Speaker 1 What made you decide to write it now?

Speaker 7 One, I'm getting older and I didn't want to forget the stuff.

Speaker 2 That's one.

Speaker 7 Two, I just think my,

Speaker 7 you know, the things that have been happening to me in my career, they're really good things. I mean,

Speaker 7 we won an NCAA

Speaker 7 national championship in an undefeated fashion. And I'm like, that doesn't happen very often.

Speaker 7 And then, I mean, so many great things have been happening to our program, to myself, that I felt like it was the right time to do it now.

Speaker 7 And it's not even a playoff, the fact that women's basketball is at its highest in demand and highest popularity.

Speaker 7 It was more of for me to pay homage to Philly and North Philly, my mother, like in the game of basketball. Like, I feel like I'm forever indebted to basketball.
And through coaching,

Speaker 7 I feel like

Speaker 7 I'm repaying the debt. And it's a little scary when you put yourself out there.
You don't know how you're going to be received. But every single person, like it really,

Speaker 7 you know, it really, it really

Speaker 7 makes me a little softer. And you know, we don't like to be softer in Philly.

Speaker 7 It really

Speaker 7 strikes my heart in a way that

Speaker 7 makes me grateful for giving myself, like opening myself up for the world to see. And it's been received incredibly.

Speaker 1 Well, it gives people

Speaker 1 even more depth to be able to invest their love and appreciation for what you've done in your life, what you've done for the city of Philadelphia. And you're, like you said, you're letting people in.

Speaker 1 I think that everybody, like...

Speaker 1 in any chance they can get to know you more and appreciate what you've done. I think that's an incredible opportunity you've provided us.
I have one last question for you. Okay.

Speaker 1 I know you've been asked this question, but I'm hoping it might be slightly harder to say no coming from me as a fellow Philly hype person.

Speaker 1 If the WNBA team, if there was a team in Philly, would you ever consider coaching it?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 7 No, no, you know why? Because I'd rather be an owner.

Speaker 7 Okay. I think there's much more

Speaker 7 in it to ownership. I think, I know a lot of people think that

Speaker 7 coaching is my best attribute. And I do think I'm a pretty good coach.

Speaker 7 But when I'm an owner, I could probably touch more people.

Speaker 1 Let's do it.

Speaker 1 I'll invest.

Speaker 7 Yes. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I do think that Philly is a great market for it. As passionate as we are and as much momentum as women's sports has right now,

Speaker 1 guys, come on.

Speaker 7 It's easy.

Speaker 7 I will say this, and I've said this. We do have to get the Sixers going.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 7 Like, it really helps. Like, we don't have to worry about the Eagles.

Speaker 1 We can help each other, right? We got to propel each other forward.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So that, you know, like the

Speaker 7 the

Speaker 7 the

Speaker 7 the professional teams, you know, are the cornerstones of our city. Like they are.
Like the Eagles are, you got it going on. The Fires, the Phillies, like we got it going on.

Speaker 7 The Sixers have got to get it going on. And I do think it will be more welcomed.
Right now it is not.

Speaker 7 Right now it's not. But timing, timing is key.
Like it really is. When the time is right, it will be around for a long time.
If it's forced on Philadelphians,

Speaker 7 you give us land. Yeah, you give us room to criticize it.

Speaker 7 If it doesn't start off right,

Speaker 7 you give Philly room to

Speaker 7 boost Santa Claus.

Speaker 2 Right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Snowballs.
Yes. For sure.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I cannot thank you enough for joining me today for this conversation.

Speaker 1 It is so refreshing to hear all of your thoughts and knowledge about coaching and being an athlete and how much sports has done for you.

Speaker 1 And just, like I said, the impressive resume that you have put together is,

Speaker 1 it's for a reason. You are

Speaker 1 so incredible at everything that you do. And I...

Speaker 1 really appreciate you sharing that knowledge with me today.

Speaker 1 You can purchase Dawn's best-selling book, Uncommon Favor, Favor, right now on Amazon. Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 I so look forward to us having this conversation. So I appreciate you and all that you do.
Thank you for leveling up on Philly.

Speaker 1 Always. Can't stop me.

Speaker 1 And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Dawn Staley on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday.

Speaker 1 I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode, and we've got something very special planned. You might just see me in a brand new location.
A summery spot, you could say.

Speaker 1 God, I love that dance floor. We will be holding a yoga class on the beach.

Speaker 1 Isn't doesn't that sound lovely?

Speaker 1 At 8 a.m. the morning of the guest bartending event at the OD.

Speaker 1 And I would love to see some real ones there.

Speaker 1 All of the registration fees associated with this yoga class will be going directly to our efforts of fundraising that day and going to the Eagles Autism Foundation.

Speaker 1 We're doing it in conjunction with Stride, which is a locally owned business, female-owned business. You know, we love to women lifting women.
And I hope to see you guys there.

Speaker 1 Again, all details for that will be on my social media and shared. at NGL with Kylie.
Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Not gonna lie is a Wave Original brought to you by Toyota.

Speaker 1 Let's go places. Thank you to the real ones for tuning in.