Kylie & Kate Hudson on Makeup in the Delivery Room, Red Carpet Run-Ins & RomCom Queendom | Ep. 13

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Kylie Kelsey here, soon to be mom of four, field hockey coach, and opinionated kids toy purchaser. You guys might have heard me talk about my list of toys I'd prefer you don't buy my children, but what I haven't shared are the toys I'm very on board with.
The Play Kits by Love Every. I did subscribe to this for my girls, and these toys have lasted through every single child.
They are beautifully built. We absolutely love them, and I can still hear the tinking of the one that rolls the colors with a little marble inside.
You can hear it. We still have that.
And the tissue box was surprisingly hilarious. Every time I would pull a tissue out and throw it into the air, Elliot specifically thought that it was a joke that couldn't be beat.
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NGL listeners can get an exclusive discount on their first subscription order by entering the code REALONES at checkout. I'm not going to lie.
I have warned just about everyone I've spoken to that if I sound like I'm running a marathon, it's because my child's butt is so far into my lungs that I can't inflate them fully. Miracle of life.
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That's all. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, great British Bake Off fan, professional water bottle filler to three children, and I once wore a vintage Eagles jacket for an EAF auction.
I'm so glad we raised money, but I still don't like being in front of a camera. Coming up on today's episode, I'm nearly nine months pregnant, and therefore my TikTok algorithm is giving me all sorts of pack my hospital bag videos.
I have a lot to say on that in Doomscroll the week. And after that, I'll be joined by Oscar-nominated actress Kate Hudson.
We're going to talk about growing up in the

spotlight, her new show, Running Point, and of course, my favorite rom-com, How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. I have no business speaking to her either.
Before we do all that, I do have an update on the NGL fan base name. In the spirit of complete honesty, as I always am around here, I changed my mind.

Anyone that lives with a pregnant person knows that hormones will get the best of you. And sometimes you decide something and then promptly change your mind.
So we've got a couple of new pitches to consider. As much as I do love NGLers, I don't want the name of the show in the fan base name, I think.
I think that's what'll fix it. So I'm going to shout out a few new suggestions.
First up, one of my favorite TikTok creators, at mdoodlesandstuff, posted an entire TikTok predicting the name of our fans. This is the same creator who created a video before we had Bennett.
And I commented on it saying it was as if she had bugged our house because she was so spot on with the guesses of our kids' potential names. Emma, Queen Emma, Queen Emma, roll the clip.
So far, their ideas have been terrible. Kylie's Queen's Princess Squad caused a visceral reaction.
Kylie Kelsey is no princess. She's a fearless leader, she's an alpha type.
She's not doing sideline photo shoots and pleather jeggings. In the Philadelphia Eagles subreddit, someone asked Eagles fans, what do you call yourselves? And a popular response reads, we don't need some dumbass nickname, we are Philadelphia.
Cheered on with, keep your nicknames. We don't want them.
We're damn real. I personally believe that these responses could be three separate burner accounts of Kylie Kelsey.
I have three ideas. This is the Kylie.
You hear Kylie at the beginning and then it turns into sports. I think this one particularly fits because the acronym NGL for the podcast is only one letter away from NFL, a league that Kylie and many Kylie fans have an affinity for.
If you want to tone down the sports theme, increase the fearless camaraderie shift from Kylie to Kylie leaders. So two of the two of the names that she brought up there are the Kylie and the Kylie leaders.
I don't mind either of those. But we know that I don't love when my names in it because I feel like it's self-centered.
I don't know how to say that any other way. I don't like being the center of attention.
I'm aware that I'm on my own podcast right now. Moving on.
In full transparency, We just had a little sidebar with Queen Emma and another queen on our team, Nicole, who does our socials. Poor Nicole.
We're going to hit this list with a head-to-head situation to narrow it down to three options. So I'm going to need you guys to be following us on our socials at NGL with Kylie so that you can make sure that you vote.
And we will do a head-to-head, three head-to-heads, and then put it into a poll. Okay? So I need you guys to buckle up and take some ownership here because my pregnancy brain won't let me make a definitive decision.
So can I get some help, please? Back from another sidebar with Queen Emma, she's insistent that I read you the options. So now I'm going to list you the finalists that we have.
The list is the real ones, outliers the the flock or flockers. Love that sounds like fuckers.
FAFOs and some new additions to the list, the Chi League and Chi Leaders. We're going to put it on social.
So again, make sure you're following at NGL with Kylie so you can make sure your vote gets in there. Moving on, let's get into what my TikTok for you page is serving up on Doomscroll of the week.
I'm getting all sorts of videos on a subject I have very strong thoughts on. Pack my hospital bag with me TikTok.
If you aren't familiar with these TikToks or Instagram reels, here's the gist. When you are going to have a baby, you are going to expect to be in the hospital for 48 hours minimum.
So you obviously need to take some things along with you. Plus, it's sometimes nice to take some of the comforts of home just to make your stay a little more delightful.
I mean, a human being is about to exit your body. You're allowed some perks.
Leaning into that, some of the craziest shit I've seen women packing in their hospital bags lately. Number one is a tripod for a camera.
Specifically, the video I saw about the tripod, the person even says that the nurse told her that it was a tripping hazard for the medical staff. So I'm going to tell you what.
The reason I go to the hospital is because I love a medical staff and I don't want to trip them. I don't want to slow them down while they're trying to get to me.
What happens if this one decides to do full slip and slide and just shoot right out and they can't run across the room to catch it? You see what I'm saying? Also, do we want to relive it? Like the tripod for the camera would be, I'm assuming, to record the birth of your child but do we want to relive it? It's a genuine question. I'm genuinely, I'm interested.
This kind of reminds me of what I like to call the home, the home ec mirror, uh, or the cooking demonstration mirror. That's a mirror.
I don't know if your birth experience had this, but, um, the hospital that I go to has these mirrors that you can ask for that they will actually put right behind the doctor and angle it down so you can see the baby coming out. No.
No. It's the cooking demonstration mirror because you can angle it.
No. The next item, an entire makeup kit.
This one I might catch some shit for. I'm not taking makeup to the hospital.
I'm not. I will take chapstick and I will end up at the hospital with mascara because it will be in

my fanny pack, which goes everywhere with me. Okay.
I have seen quite a few videos of people

saying that they need to have their hair and makeup done because it's their first impression

between them and their child. Here's how I feel about it.
If you would like to do your makeup, have at it. If that's what makes you happy and feel put together and feel back like yourself, do it to it, Lars.
But it won't be me. And not to mention when they come out, they can only see like 12 inches from their face or something.

So like they're not catching details.

They're going to love you because you made them.

In that same boat, people who are packing curling irons or hair straighteners. What? Why? Who? When? I'm going to tell you what, when I show up to the hospital, I put my hair in a French braid.
I don't even, sometimes I do it before I go. And sometimes I do it while I'm there, put my hair in a French braid.
And you know what happens to my hair? It stays in a fucking French braid. It's back there.
It's out of my face. You just made a human.
I'm stressed out about how much pressure you're putting on yourself to look good. Although I will say, and I already said this about the makeup kit, I do understand it if it is a matter of that you want to feel like yourself and that's how you feel, that helps you feel good.
Whatever helps you feel good in recovery, do that. So just take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.
None of these things go in my hospital bag. That's all I'm saying.
The last item, and this one is going to stir up.

This one's going to stir up, this one's going to stir up some issues because I think this one is probably the most universal, the one that's probably the most common, a large suitcase. I don't understand why we're bringing a wheelie suitcase.
I'm talking a wheelie suitcase that is checked baggage size wheelie suitcase, not a carry-on. Checked bag, like a big ass wheelie suitcase.
What are you bringing? I genuinely want to know. I want to know because I want to know if I'm wrong.
I've done this three times. I've never taken a wheelie suitcase.
I have taken a duffel bag and a diaper bag with all the baby things in it. I feel like I'm almost missing something.
I genuinely want to know. Can you tell me please at NGL with Kylie, please tag me.
I want to know what you're bringing in your wheelie suitcase. The big one, not the little.
Don't tag me in a carry-on.

I'm not talking about a carry-on.

If it can fit in the oversized bin, I'm not talking to you.

Okay?

I'm talking to the people who have packed up for six weeks, six more weeks of winter

spent at the hospital.

Okay?

Don't.

I want to know what's in there.

I will say my hospital bag has not changed very much since Wyatt. And my hospital bag has been pajamas, probably two sets that are stretchy, that are very, very stretchy.
My toiletry bag with all the goodies, which is shampoo, conditioner, a bar of dove soap. You know what I'm saying? Just the essentials.
A robe to cover my butt when I'm wearing a hospital gown and if it gets a little chilly. My going home outfit, some snacks for both myself and my husband if need be.
Slippers, flip-flops. I feel like I nailed that.
For all the dad listeners and soon-to-be dad listeners, Jason's bag usually consists of sleep shorts, a change of clothes, and his toiletry bag. I think that's literally it.
I don't even think the man brings snacks. He does bring a fan.
We all saw that in the documentary, on the podcast. The man loves a fan.
And I don't even blame him. It really, it makes his sleeping situation more pleasant.
I've said it before. I don't want him to have to suffer.
I want him to be comfortable. Now, did I want him

to carry a whole ass fan to the hospital? Not really, but he did and it made him more comfy and it got him better sleep. So whatever.
I would not be surprised if this time around, he levels up and brings an air mattress. So, and just for good measure, I will share Jason's biggest tip to soon-to-be fathers.
He is convinced that men pass out because when pushing starts to happen and birth amps up and the baby is on its way out, that you stand up and you get this rush of adrenaline. And a lot of times you've gone from sitting all day waiting to then jumping up and being in an excited situation.
And because of that, he thinks that you should eat a snack right before mom starts pushing because he's convinced that it's an issue with your blood sugar. I giggle a little only because it sounds ridiculous, but when you are in it, having gone through it three times, it seems legit.
I don't remember which birth it was, but I do remember looking over right as I'm like, I got the shakes and I'm like, we're going. And he's mid-bite getting ready to hold me for a crunch.
But he hasn't passed out. So take the advice.
Just have a little sneaky snack before the slip and slide. And that does it for Doomscrawl of the week.
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She's starring in the brand new comedy series Running Point on Netflix. She's also a musician, an entrepreneur, an author, and a fellow mother, Kate Hudson.
Welcome to Not Gonna Lie. Not Gonna Lie.
This is fun. I have to start with a Not Gonna Lie.
I've even said it right here on the show, actually very recently. How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days is one of my favorite movies of all time, but absolutely my favorite rom-com.
Yay! Yes. It is...
We've even considered... This is a hot take, but we've even considered Andy as a name for our fourth girl because we have all...
Our first is Wyatt. Our second is Elliot.
Our third is Bennett. And we were like, Andy would fit in there and it would be so cool.
Andy would be so cute. It's funny.
I actually met someone at a pool and we were talking about girl names and they said that they named their daughter Anderson as in Andy Anderson and call her Andy. That is the cutest thing.
I love that. I know.
Anderson's a great name for, I love that. It's so badass.
So Ronnie is really named after Ron, her grandfather. We spelt it R-A-N-I, but I call her Ronald.
Yes. I literally, she answers to, I'm like Ronald.
And she's like, yes, it's the best. But if I'm just letting you know, if this one comes out, it's on the list.
It's in consideration, but to be fair, we have not come up with anything. How do you feel about people calling you the rom com queen? It's a mixed feeling because I, now that I'm older, I love it.
I think, I think what happens when you sort of become, have a very successful rom-com, it sort of becomes what people expect of you and want from you. And as an actor, you're sort of like, yeah, but I want to do a million different things.
So you, I mean, and as Hollywood goes, they love to put you in a box. They love it.
Um, and, uh, and so I think when you're younger, it's like, you don't want to be pigeonholed into this idea that that's what you do. And the second you have success in a rom-com as a woman, it's like, they just want you in that.
So it's like, you love it. And then at the same time, you're like, yeah, but I want to do other things.
I don't want to just do this all the time. Don't put me in that box.
Yeah. Don't put baby in the corner.
Now, I just had Chelsea Handler on. And she told me that your mom is one of her career influences and that she grew up wanting to be her daughter.
Has she told you that personally? Oh, yeah. She's a self-proclaimed sister.
She's just, I'm your sister. I don't think there's much arguing with her.
So that makes sense. It's like she told me and that's what it is now.
I love her so much. She's a wild one.
Which makes sense for our family because we all have a little wild hair up our hanging. There you go.
So she would fit right in. And so she fits right in.
Yeah. What was it like looking up to your mom growing up? I mean, I think like anyone who loves their mom.
You know, you're growing up, you don't really see anything. You don't see it like the out, like from the outside.
That actually leads me into, I would like to ask your input on, obviously it's a completely different level, but we're in the process of raising soon to be four little girls. And, um, with really dad, mostly in a situation where like, we'll be out and about and people will stop him and ask for a picture mostly in the Philadelphia area but since doing some other things and Monday Night Football and things like that it's grown a little bit.
Do you have any like advice or anything that your parents did or anything that you currently do with your own kids that you find is like super important in not necessarily like insulating them, but, but in a sense, protecting them. There's two ways to go.
You know, if you're someone who's like really wants to keep things private, private, you know, I think you just make that very clear to whoever it is, whether it be press or whether it be you taking a picture with a fan. It's like when you're with your kids, it's just, I'm with my kids and I really don't do that when I'm with my kids.
I mean, that's kind of what I grew up with when we would go out to dinner and stuff. That was just thing.
It's like, this is about, you know, sometimes you need to have some boundary because you really need to show your kids that you're attentive to them and that all of the incoming attention isn't really real in a sense. And what I mean by that is that it doesn't feed, it didn't feed them.
We fed them more, meaning that connection. So sometimes they would like put a boundary down with people.
Then there's the other side, which is it can become exhausting trying to protect your children all the time. Meaning like, you know, at some point there might be a moment where you just go, you know, this is what our life is.
And you explain it to them in a way so that they understand that getting validated by other people isn't going to bring you joy, but that this is just a part of what happens when you do something that people recognize. Like, so I think that's kind of what I do.
And then, you know, as they get older, they kind of define what their boundaries are, you know? And did your mom ever explain it to you? Do you remember? Well, my parents were really good. Like when we were younger, we moved to Colorado and it was a much less kind of chaotic front.
or front face like frontward facing world like LA or New York but we also traveled a lot with them our parents were really good at just being like really kind but like just always about our family unit you know I never felt like I was on display for my family. It was like, this is just what we do.

And then none of this really means anything to us if our unit's not strong. Right.
Is there anything that you thought was completely normal growing up? And then once you got older, you were like, oh shit, that was not. No, because I had the kind of parents that were very clear about how not normal and a lot of it was.
They were so clear about how privileged our certain experiences were with us. I think that's like the most important thing.
You can see it when your kids start to feel a little like, you know, that they're feeling a little different. Right.
Yeah. And, and, and our family, we're really good at just knocking that right out.
I was like, no, my, my husband is, I mean, we both grew up in like a very different situation than we're currently in. And we're both trying to mirror that, like what we had without like stifling.
And it's funny because my husband every so often will be like, no, no, that's dad's. Like, yeah, it is.
I earned that. These are things that you earn.
I really think also just volunteer work with kids is like one of the most important things. I don't care how much money you have, but like kids recognizing that there's, you know, like helping other kids.
That to me is the thing that keeps everybody grounded and grateful is like, you know, when you live in certain places in the world, you just have a very different life experience life experience. It's important to not shelter it too much to be like, this is different than how a lot of people in the world live.
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One of your earliest movie roles was one that you've already mentioned, which was Penny Lane in Almost Famous. What was it like to achieve that kind of success so early? I mean, amazing.
I mean, to be 19 years old and read a script that had a character like Penny Lane was like, you know, incredible and didn't come around very often at that age, you know, at the same time I was playing a different part. So I was cast as the sister in almost famous.
And then asked when, when, when the penny, when the girl who was playing Penny Lane fell out, I asked Cameron if I could audition for Penny Lane and then he, and then he allowed me to audition. I'd auditioned like a thousand times.
And, uh, but when you read a character like that, that young, it's like, there's just not that many roles like that. So the fact that I was able to, to, to do that, um, was, you know, such a gift.
You won a Golden Globe for Almost Famous in 2001, and I just saw the clip where you were interviewed by Beyonce on the red carpet. You saw that? Oh my God.
I remember it so well because I'll never forget it because they were doing MTV and Beyonce was on the carpet. And Andre 3000 was like up in a hotel suite.
And I was such a big fan of Destiny's Child and Outkast. And then when I saw Beyonce, I remember looking at her and being like, oh my God, she's so beautiful.
That's all I could think was like, wow. And Chris, my ex-husband, loved her.
And I was like, oh my, and we were both like, hey. And she's interviewing me.
And now I look back, I'm like, it's so crazy. I've been lucky enough to have moments with her throughout our career.
We're around we're around the same age and came up together, you know, an iconic duo, the two of you coming up around the same time and just, I'm serious, like owning your own, like, but like you guys have both just absolutely dominated. Well, but she's Beyonce, you know, I mean, like she, you can't even like, but it's different.
Like, you know, I look at, I look at her and I just, you know, you see, you, you know, I've, I've seen the evolution in real time, you know, how does it feel that there are people who would have that same, uh, like deep appreciation and sort of all in their voice when they describe you. I don't, I, I don't feel it.
It doesn't, it does not register. No, it's like, to me, that just doesn't make any sense.
Like I don't, that's not, it's almost like I block it out or something. I don't know.
She seems lovely. She's really wonderful and she's kind and really caring, you know? So the type of person that you can get excited has had the level of success.
Oh, my God. Yes.
That's awesome. And she's worked so hard.
She works so hard. As you know, with Taylor, like, this doesn't just come.
It comes with real attention to detail and care and real hard work. Yes, the drive is incredible.
Yeah, it's amazing to know, to see. To be able to witness it all is very cool.
Have your kids seen any of your movies? Yeah. And what's the feedback on that? I mean, you know what's so fun is that they love the show like my kids binged the show in one day the running point it's like you know which which actually makes me really happy because they're boys they're like teenage i've got an adult boy man and a teenage boy and they're into it so i mean that mean, that's all I can ask for as a, as a, like, that's the, that's the validation I really needed was that they liked it.
Well, I mean, it's, they're clearly up with the times that, uh, we are, I feel like we're very much, and I've spoken about it a number of times on the podcast. We're very much in a generational shift of appreciating and understanding not only women participating in sports, but women being within the sports world.
Yeah. And embracing it in a way where we're like, yeah, she is a boss-ass bitch.
Yeah. And also like women, there is a place for them in men's sports, like whether it be in coaching staff or executive in the front office and things like, you know, I mean, as someone who grew up loving sports, it's like playing it.
Yes. And women's sports.
Yes. But like I love I love sports.
I love baseball and football, basketball. And I know so many women who are like an encyclopedia of sports.
The same thing with the coach in the NHL now, the first female coach in the NHL. Oh, God, yes.
And to see, honestly, the thing that gets me choked up about that coach is that you have these little girls now going to her games and putting up these signs that are like, I'm going to be you one day. And it's like, I can't even stand it.
You could be. Yeah.
And, and, and yeah, I mean, it, it really is like for, I think for girls who really love sports, it is one of those things where you just go, there's a real, like there's a place for it and it can create a great balance on a coaching staff, you know, a necessary one. Perfect timing.
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Now running point is, uh, on Netflix. Yes.
Um, for the fans who haven't seen it yet, it is hilarious. Uh, you play the president of an LA basketball team loosely based on the life of the Lakers president, Jeannie Buss.
Um, and you've said you're a sports fan yourself. Who are your teams that you've rooted for in life? Yes.
Uh, I, well, I grew up, I grew up in like Elway, Colorado.

So when we moved to Colorado, we didn't have an L.A. football team.
The Raiders had already like moved to Oakland when I was little. So we were big Broncos fans.
So through and through Bronco, all of us. And then L.A.
was always the Lakers. So we were always big Laker fans and Dodger fans, big Dodger fans,

our whole family, huge Dodger fans. Although my dad and I are more Yankee fans, but that's sort

of through his, his godfather was Lefty Gomez, uh, who was a Yankee. And I ended up dating a

Yankee and then did a whole world series run. So I got really tight with the Yankees, um,

Thank you. who was a Yankee and I ended up dating a Yankee and then did a whole world series run.
So I got really tight with the Yankees, um, uh, everybody like from, you know, the owners to the team, you know, staff, the hall, the staff and everybody at Yankee stadium. And so I just have like such a love for the Yankees organization.
I did see that you got to bring your daughter to set. I did.
Yeah. No, I try to bring my kids.
My boys just get bored. Ronnie really loves it.
She loves watching it. She loves sitting in front.
She has a lot of notes. She has a lot to say about the things that I'm doing.
She'll ask a lot of questions like, well, why did you do that? Like, why did you go to the desk? Why did you pick that up? Well, because I have to pick up my things. She's like, well, yeah, but like, but that doesn't make sense because if you're going to go out of the room, why wouldn't you just leave that in the room? And I'm like, right.
Okay. This is getting a little intense.
She's like, here are my notes. She's like watching everything.
I, there was one joke she didn't think was funny um i was like did you think that was funny she was like no i was like oh okay it's very very honest i think it is such a cool opportunity not only for you to bring her to set but for you to be in a role like this uh showing a powerful woman in sports and that she gets to be like, yeah, that's my mom. I know.
That's so fun. We've obviously talked about motherhood a lot today.
And I asked most of my guests, what is the best piece of motherhood advice that you've ever gotten? I interviewed this Dr. Shefali.
She wrote a book. It's called The Conscious Parent.
And Dr. Shefali is a brilliant therapist, but actually Oprah was the person who said, you have to read this book.
I did this thing with Oprah right before COVID. And she was like, have you ever read this book?

No.

She's like, you have to read it.

And I read it, of course, because Oprah, I read it immediately.

And it was a game changer. And then I called her to come on our podcast.
And the thing that really stood out to me is that we really do, our traumas or our childhood, our own traumas come out while raising our kids. Our kids are actually our great healers and our great teachers.
And if we

allow, it doesn't mean that you don't have boundaries. It doesn't mean that you don't have

certain rules. It doesn't mean that you don't have, you know, certain rules.
It doesn't mean that you don't, you know, have a good authority and structure for your kids. So it creates a safe environment for them.
But what it does mean is that you're aware that the things that come up for you are things that you need to be as conscious of as how you're raising your kids, right? So like a good example would be the other day, Bing and I, he's in that teenage phase. We had that headbutt moment of, I want him to do something.
He refuses to do it. And in that moment, And I got triggered.
It wasn't about him.

It was about my own inability to resolve or walk away from the moment that was happening. And instead, I became combative with my 13-year-old, which is like, I mean, that doesn't is that going to go? Right.
But it happens all the time as a parent, you know, with so many parents. But when I do it sometimes with my five-year-old.
Right. Yeah.
And when you walk away, when you walk away from it, you can recognize where you sort of might've created more of a problem than you did a lesson. Oh yeah.
And the importance of being able to tell your kids that you could do better, I could have handled that situation better, actually models much more for them than being stubborn and saying, no, I can't admit that I was wrong. And I think that's the biggest lesson for me.
And now that I feel like a veteran mother, I've been like doing it for 21 years. It's like to admit you're going to make mistakes.
You're going to be wrong. And to share your imperfections with your kids in moments without, to be able to say to your kids, you know, I could have handled that better.
And I'm sorry because you don't deserve me to get that angry at you right now. I have found that like an apology of like, you know what? Mom's really sorry.
I should not have raised my voice. There was no reason to raise my voice.
I think that if I, that like we can open up our listening ears and mom can not use her serious voice. Like, it's like, it's like that, like, you don't, you don't always have to be the one that's like, just cause you're an adult and they're a kid, we all have faults.
And you're teaching your kids conflict resolution. You know, sometimes in conflict, you go too far and you need to say you're sorry.
Instead of teaching them that, you know, you double down. Right.
And what you find in going to your kids and saying, I could have handled this better, or I made a mistake, or I'm sorry I didn't trust you. Whatever the scenario is, that connection becomes stronger.
And I think that sort of has been the biggest lesson for me is knowing when to do that. Parenting is hard.
It's a crapshoot is what it is. Yeah, it is hard.
And going to mess your kids up. Like, I feel like no matter what you do and how you try to do it, you know, it's like, you're going to do it wrong.
You're going to make mistakes. Like you're going to fuck your kids up in some way.
At some point, you're going to do something that's going to feel traumatizing to them that you didn't realize felt traumatizing to them. And this is coming from like the most loving parents, right? Like even in the most loving, like connective, healthy, attached parental situation, you're still going to mess up.
One more question. Cause it's another question that I absolutely love asking moms on the podcast.
Uh, I've shared a number of humbling things my daughters have told me over the years. And being 21 years into parenthood, I feel like there must be at least one thing that stands out that your child has said to you where you've been like, well, there it is.
Is there anything that comes to mind when you think about a humbling child moment? It's like all the time. I mean, I'm I, I'm, I'm like trying to think of ones that are actually like funny that like, we don't hear all the time, like that moms hear, you know, it's more with singing, you know, it's, but, but I mean, I get like all of it.
I've gotten like, that's so cringe. Like mom, when you do, when you do like, you know, yeah.
Like don't wear that, you know, whatever it is, like something I'm wearing. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Like something I'm wearing or something I certain posts that I, that I, your caption is so cringe.
Yeah. Or, or like, or even like just like the fact that I Instagram is something that i do it's like gen z for some reason they're like oh like there's a picture of like the floor with like a plant like right right and you're and they post it and like a foot yes and you're like i don't know what that is like i don't know what i'm like a like i call them like the fuzzies and like all the fuzzy pictures of like kids like on a thing, but like you can't see anybody's face.
Yes. And I'm like, I get it.
It's very cool to post that. I get it.
I get that. Like, it doesn't matter what it is.
It just doesn't matter. Um, it's nothing.
It is funny to hear the, to hear the degree of teenage and older humbling experiences, because we're very much in the phase of like, I'll put my hair in a bun and my oldest will be like, I don't like that. It looks bad.
And I'm like, I think there's a nicer way to say, mom, can you wear a ponytail? Yeah. I mean, I have all, like, it's always, I think also as a mom, they're just very much clued into the things that you're doing.
Like, you know, is that what you're wearing? So like, if it's a little see-through or very see-through with me, like it could be very see-through and they're like, no mom, that's gross. Like, what are you doing? You know? Or, or it could be like, I'm wearing a dark lip and whatever.
It's just like, there's a lot of focus. Sure.
Because you know that at that age, we are actually, as mothers, we were put on this earth to embarrass them. Basically.
They believe that. So truly deeply in their hearts.
So it has turned out to be. Ronnie is different.
Ronnie and I are like Velcro. It's just totally different.
I think it's such a nice dynamic that you got a girl on your third and that there's that age gap. Like it just feels like you got like almost like a little built-in best friend.
It's just crazy. But I'm biased because I don't know what boys are.
Boys are so fun. Boys are so fun, but we weren't, we weren't meant to have, well, you might not be done yet.
You know, I don't know. It looks like, yeah, honestly, honestly, sounds to me like you guys are going to keep having babies.
You never, there might be a pleasant surprise in there oh god don't say that twin boys

that would be horrific or awesome because i'm already because i'm already transitioning to a minivan i would have to have like a full freaking 12 passenger you're gonna have a sprinter van it's so bad i love it though i could have i could have so many kids you know i mean i even think about it right now. I'm like, am I totally done? But because I just can't imagine being done.
And then, yeah, it's a weird thing to think like, oh no, I'm done having kids when you love having kids. I do.
I don't love being pregnant, but I always call it like a means to an end. And I so enjoy like that squishy kid phase.
I love learning them

and like getting to know them as they're growing up and getting to see our five-year-old from our two-year-old right now is like, oh, I miss when you were like this age, but I'm having so much fun learning you at this age. I know.
And it does get better. And if you're like a really, if you love it, like it really does get better.
It gets a little scarier, you know, when you start to watch them, when you start to have to let them go, like be their own. Yeah.
Because you want them to love themselves and then you want them to make good decisions out in the world, you know? So you get a little bit of that, oh man, I just hope they are good, you know? I cannot thank you enough for chatting today. It was so nice to meet you.
It was so nice to meet you too. I hope that everyone flocks to Netflix and checks out Running Point.
It is so funny and so excited for you and the series. And thank you again for joining me today.
And I'm sure I'll see you down the road. Oh, I can't wait.
Thank you so much again to Kate Hudson for joining me today. Make sure you watch her in Running Point on Netflix streaming now.
You can find even more clips from our conversation on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday.

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