Kylie & Chelsea Handler on Embarrassing Vegas Nights, Flip-Flop Aversions & Bikini Skiing | Ep. 12

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Speaker 1 Not gonna lie, Benny's birthday was this past weekend, and when she tried to blow out her candles, she only kept blowing her bangs. She kept going,

Speaker 1 fff. I got a large piece of paper, asked her to try again, and quickly waved the piece of paper to blow out the candles.
Good news is, after that happened, she said,

Speaker 1 I did it to Jason. So,

Speaker 1 nailed it. Let's get this podcast started.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a wave original brought to you by Peppa Pig. Pig changes are coming.
I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. communications major, Philly fanatic fanatic.

Speaker 1 And my husband will tell you I have some very weird eating habits. As you guys can see, I am not in my home studio today.
The entire not gonna lie team took a field trip to New York.

Speaker 1 Coming up on today's episode, the Academy Awards are coming up on Sunday, but I'm about to have four kids under the age of five. No, five and under.

Speaker 1 You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen an adult movie in months. potentially years.

Speaker 1 It's all kids movies. So I'm going to honor the kids' movies that have taken over our lives.

Speaker 1 And after that, I'll be joined right here on this very set by someone I've admired since I was a teenager, an iconic comedian and best-selling author, Chelsea Handler.

Speaker 1 That is so unbrand.

Speaker 1 But before we get into all that, I want to give you guys an update on the name of the NGL fan base.

Speaker 1 On Morship Monday, I narrowed down the finalists to the outliers, the knockin' a liars, or NGLers, and the real ones and the final name is now up to all of you you can vote right on instagram and twitter follow us at ngl with kylie i'm gonna reveal the winner on next week's show

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 what are the odds that we did this just to arrive back at ngellers decent uh i'd say at least 90 chance we're gonna end up back with ngellers um

Speaker 1 but wouldn't that make for some cute merch

Speaker 1 We should do it.

Speaker 1 Vote for NGLers.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're going to add any additions to the poll because there's few things I love more than walking into a restaurant and it being a single page because I like to not have too many choices.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to do the same for you. Three choices.
One, two, three. That's all you get.
I have faith that we can pick the best one. NGLers.

Speaker 1 That's it. Next up, Doom Scroll of the Week.
Philly Spring Training is now up and running down in Clearwater, Florida. That's right, Clearwater.

Speaker 1 The Philadelphians have taken over. And my for you page hit me with a perfect TikTok to sum up the annual transition from Eagles football to Phillies baseball.
Let's see it, Queen Emma.

Speaker 1 An outstanding outfit of Eagles merch.

Speaker 1 And the natural swap out. The green shoes are away.
The Eagles' earrings are put on the hooks.

Speaker 1 The red, white, and blue.

Speaker 1 She's back, baby.

Speaker 1 Yes, those fight and fills. She absolutely nailed this.
There is

Speaker 1 a natural progression from

Speaker 1 Eagles' football season, which we were lucky enough that it got very close to spring training. which is nice because then we don't have this terribly long gap.

Speaker 1 So thank you again to the Eagles for making this a softer transition.

Speaker 1 But now spring training is underway. It's some people's excuse to get down to Florida, hit some warm weather, get some sun before the Jersey shore really amps up.

Speaker 1 So it's a great time

Speaker 1 to really ease in into baseball. Everybody knows at this point, hopefully.

Speaker 1 If you don't, the Philly Fanatic, the best mascot. It's not up for debate.

Speaker 1 I'm really sorry, Swoop, but the Philly Philly fanatic is the best mascot on the face of the planet, and I will die on that hill.

Speaker 1 He is

Speaker 1 handsome, funny, scruffy, and we all know that's how I like my men. He can do like a very nice bring it around town with his belly.

Speaker 1 He drives a four-wheeler, and most importantly, he fucks with the opposing team's dugout in a way that just brightens your day.

Speaker 2 I love him.

Speaker 1 I really, like, I cannot emphasize that enough. I love him deeply,

Speaker 1 like an embarrassing amount, and I'm okay with it. He did surprise me at the late show.
I was genuinely shocked. I had no idea what was happening.
And that was a, I'm not a surprise person.

Speaker 1 I don't care for surprises, but my husband nailed that. My favorite Phillies players of all time

Speaker 1 would probably have to be the team that won the World Series.

Speaker 1 Because we were deeply invested that whole season.

Speaker 1 It is so much fun to watch highlight clips of Ryan Howard digging the ball out because he would swing so low and just absolutely knock it out of the park. Jimmy Rollins was so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 He was so quick both fielding the ball and running the bases. Chase Utley with were world fucking champs.

Speaker 1 Say less.

Speaker 1 That was just a really fun team to see and the first championship parade that I got to experience. I was a junior in high school and we came in.

Speaker 1 They did not give the school the day off, but they did give us excused absences. So we just came in, dropped our note in a box, and then literally left whenever we wanted.

Speaker 1 It was one of the strangest things I've ever experienced. And as a rule follower, very difficult for me.
That does it for Doom Scroll of the Week.

Speaker 1 And now, with the Oscars just a few days away, it should come as no surprise to anyone here that I've seen maybe one of the films nominated for best picture. But you know what?

Speaker 1 I have seen roughly 42 times this year alone? I'm talking in 2025.

Speaker 1 Frozen. With three, almost four little ones, I thought I'd take this time to honor the movies that dominate our life with a mini award show I'm calling the Screen Time Awards.

Speaker 1 We are not opposed to Screen Time in our house. I really do my best to limit it, but not in a strict way.

Speaker 1 I will pretend that I set a timer

Speaker 1 and I will tell them one more. And then if my task that I was trying to complete is not finished, I will say, you guys were so well behaved.
I'll let you watch one more.

Speaker 1 Our girls have tablets, but they only get them on planes

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 very rarely in the house.

Speaker 1 And they are not allowed to touch phones. That has been a rule from the very beginning.
Occasionally, they will borrow someone's phone and take pictures. Why?

Speaker 1 It's really into taking selfies right now. Dad's thrilled about that one.
All right, let's get into these awards. The first category is, if I put this on, will you stop crying?

Speaker 1 The nominees are Frozen,

Speaker 1 The Granch.

Speaker 2 I said it.

Speaker 1 I didn't say the Grinch. I said The Granch, because that's the only way Benny will request it.
We have finally gotten out of that.

Speaker 1 It took us about a month after the Christmas holiday to get out of watching The Granch.

Speaker 1 Tangled

Speaker 1 and the Little Mermaid. And the winner is?

Speaker 1 You guessed it, The Granch.

Speaker 1 Because when the little birds ski down the snowy mountainside, she will start to, she being Benny, will start to narrate the entire movie.

Speaker 1 And when the Carolers follow the Grinch, she also tells you that it's very cute. You should really experience a Benny Grinch narration.

Speaker 2 Next up, the award for okay,

Speaker 1 the music in this actually hits.

Speaker 1 And your nominees are

Speaker 1 in Kanto.

Speaker 1 We don't talk about Bruno.

Speaker 1 Frozen,

Speaker 1 Moana,

Speaker 1 which has been vetoed by Ellie so aggressively because Taka is scary. That's the lava monster.
She's out. Won't even let me turn the movie on.
on. And Wish.

Speaker 1 And the winner is

Speaker 1 Encanto. They actually won't let me turn it on anymore, but the songs in that are so good.
Our third category is, are you fucking kidding me, Jason? They can't watch this.

Speaker 1 There aren't even nominees for this one. The winner is RRR.
If you haven't seen it, proceed with caution. Do not put it on while kids are in the room.
The opening scene alone is enough to

Speaker 1 have me ask my husband, are you fucking kidding me? You know what I mean? The next category is best picture played on an iPad on a plane. Like I said, it's one of the only times they get tablets.

Speaker 1 The nominees are Finding Nemo,

Speaker 1 Alice in Wonderland, Wreck-It Ralph, and Toy Story.

Speaker 1 And the winner is

Speaker 1 Wreck-It Ralph. There's always some degree when they're younger of thinking that Ralph is like dad, which we love.
He's like a softy but a strong man. I see the correlation.

Speaker 1 And now, the award for why am I crying at this as a 32-year-old woman? You know these movies. You know they hit you right in the feels.
The nominees are The Lion King,

Speaker 1 Up,

Speaker 1 Charlotte's Web,

Speaker 1 and Homeward Bound.

Speaker 1 And the winner is

Speaker 1 Up, of course. Are you shitting me that you made that storyline? You want to open it like that?

Speaker 1 Poor Carl.

Speaker 1 What a guy.

Speaker 1 And now, there's one more special category, and that is, of course, the Lifetime Achievement Award.

Speaker 1 I know we're talking about movies today, but this TV show was also made into a movie, so it technically still counts. It's been on the air for over 20 years now.

Speaker 1 The first ever Lifetime Achievement Award goes to Peppa Pig. The girls love this show.
They tell me about Peppa and what they did in the show and then ask immediately if they can do it.

Speaker 1 I'm here for it. I love a little imagination.
To wrap these awards up,

Speaker 1 not gonna lie, these cards are all blank. All of them.
They're all blank. There's not a single word written on these cards.
Why is that? Because

Speaker 1 we were going with our gut. Sometimes it's best to do that.
And

Speaker 1 I firmly believe we've chosen the best winners. So

Speaker 1 look at us go, Queen Emma. Nailed it.
As I just mentioned, we love a Some Peppa Pig in the Kelsey house. And I'm so excited to share that pig changes are coming for Peppa Pig and family.

Speaker 1 That's right, today Hasborough revealed that Mummy Pig is pregnant. And I felt honored that Mummy Pig joined Not Gonna Lie to make the big announcement.
Look at us on NGL Breaking News.

Speaker 1 You can check out Mommy Pig's pregnancy reveal on my YouTube channel right now.

Speaker 1 And for all the NGLers who are also Peppa fans, the family's exciting expansion will be showcased in the Peppa Pig The Big Announcement episode premiering on March 31st on Nickelodeon.

Speaker 1 As the new family dynamic develops, Peppa will have many opportunities to show George the ropes alongside viewers who may be adapting to changes and big feelings in their own families.

Speaker 1 Again, to hear Mommy Pig's announcement, check out my YouTube channel at NGL with Kylie. You don't want to miss it.

Speaker 1 She's the hilarious Grammy nominated stand-up comedian, New York Times best-selling author six times over, about to be seven.

Speaker 1 And she's a woman I've looked up to since I read the first page of my horizontal life as a freshman in high school, Chelsea Handler. Welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Thank you.
Happy to be here.

Speaker 1 I am so excited to get to sit down and talk to you. When we first did our briefings of people that I would want to talk to, you were, I think, the first name we put on the list.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I don't know if it's the close proximity of like Philadelphia, Jersey.
I know you're in North Jersey.

Speaker 1 But also, I've read every single one of your books

Speaker 1 because the way that you write in sort of that short story, it just keeps you so engaged that otherwise I don't read books.

Speaker 2 Yes, I have a lot of people that say that to me. They say they don't read, I'm the only books they've ever read, which is concerning.

Speaker 1 Damn near.

Speaker 2 Which is concerning, but you know what?

Speaker 1 I'm better for it.

Speaker 2 Yes, as long as you're reading something, it really doesn't matter what. That's it.
That's my attitude.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 1 We, before we get into anything, happy birthday. Thank you, right?

Speaker 2 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 You've celebrated the past five years. by going skiing, mostly topless.

Speaker 2 Sometimes with tops on, but yes, a topless bikini sometimes i have something covering my nipples sure for you know decency yes yeah yeah for my nephews

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 2 what was your favorite version of that so far and are you going to recreate it this year this year i already filmed my birthday video it's going to come out tomorrow on my birthday i'm just editing it right now um this would be my favorite one because it's not just me i got a whole bunch of women to ski in bikinis with me and i rented a mountain so that we could ski down and do as many takes as necessary without running from the ski patrol, which is normally how we have to do it, especially when I'm topless.

Speaker 2 But my nephews have made a request a few years back and said, can you please not be topless like on Instagram? Because we're going into college and our friends talk about you.

Speaker 2 And I was like, that's awesome that they're still talking about me and they're in college. Like that means me, I'm still hot.
And they're like, it doesn't, that's not how we're seeing it.

Speaker 2 And I said, okay, fine.

Speaker 2 I, I can respect that but another reason why i didn't have children and now i'm forced to adhere to my brothers and sisters children's rules for me do you know what i mean yeah so they're attacking me i feel like but i did it this year and at a certain point you should put your top on probably so i decided but this year it was all a bunch of women and we all skied together and i was in the lead and it was really just the energy is exactly the kind of energy I want to

Speaker 2 demonstrate for women everywhere. And it's the energy of the book, which is like female sisterhood, togetherness.
Let's get this and let's stick together and,

Speaker 2 you know, be empowered by each other.

Speaker 1 One of the ones I loved was the dog in the backpack.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. That was a good, that was a, that was a cute one.
Every time I see that picture, I have these pictures on my phone that rotate.

Speaker 2 And every time Bernice comes up on my backpack, I was holding Doug, who was my new dog at the time, who was 70 pounds. And then I had Bernice, who was 30 pounds on my back.

Speaker 2 So by the time I got done with that shoot, I had lost like six pounds in water weight from sweating in the snow. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's outstanding.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, speaking of your birthday, I love how positive you are about getting older as a woman.

Speaker 1 What is your overall excitement about turning 50?

Speaker 2 I feel like 50 is a reset. It's kind of like a rebirth, a restart, a fresh.

Speaker 2 I feel so positive about my life and the way that it's turned out that if I could, if I could talk to myself as a a little girl and be like oh my god it's gonna be okay you're not gonna end up you know indigent or on the street or become you know being I was so scared when I was waiting tables that I would end up waiting tables for my whole life not that there's anything wrong with that but I wanted a different kind of life and I was just like oh god if I'm so I I'm so excited that I have this lease on life.

Speaker 2 I'm so excited that I have so many women in my life to share this kind of birthday and milestone with. And I'm so excited at my energy level.
Like I remember being young and thinking 50 was old.

Speaker 2 And now that was 40 years ago, you know, when your parents were 50 and you're like, ooh. And now I'm like, it's true.
You're more confident. You're sexier.
I'm having the best sex of my life.

Speaker 2 So I have all of these things that are happy around me. And I'm happy.
Like, I'm the happiest I've ever been in my life. So there's a lot to look forward to, ladies.

Speaker 1 And does it not feel like as you age, you sort of even further embrace the idea of like, fuck it?

Speaker 1 Like, it just, it's sort of like, like, in terms of aging and the way that people always want to put like this stigma on that you're getting older, especially as women.

Speaker 1 And then you just sort of like, you said you're having the best sex of your life. Is it not just like a like, yeah, fuck it.
I can have the best sex of my life at 50.

Speaker 2 There's a definite fuck it attitude for sure. I mean, I think I was born with a fucking attitude.
That kind of never escaped me.

Speaker 2 But I did go through a period of insecurity and like destabilization in my 40s where I didn't feel as positive positive and confident as I did.

Speaker 2 And then I did the work necessary to kind of power through that, which is therapy, which is reading a ton of talk about a lot in your new book. Right.

Speaker 2 Doing a ton of work and reading a bunch of books about, you know, why you do the things you do and, and really actually wanting to become the most, you know, the best version of yourself, like wanting to be kinder and gentler and not losing the great parts of your personality.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 while I always had a fuck it personality, now I'm

Speaker 2 once I kind of got through that murky area, I'm more grounded and more stable than I ever was. I went through my 20s and 30s with this like kind of false confidence, you know? Sure.

Speaker 2 Like you just kind of put on this armor and you're like, I can do anything. Now it's real.
Now I'm like, no, you, you really can't touch me. Like I'm a tree and you can't push me over.

Speaker 2 So I feel like I've done the work and I get to enjoy this phase more so than the kind of bravado that I was experiencing earlier in life.

Speaker 1 Let's back up a little bit into your books. I said in your intro, I got to know you through your first books.

Speaker 1 I, like I said, have read every single one of them. My absolute favorite chapter out of any of your books was about thunder.

Speaker 2 Thunder Down Under. That was Vegas.

Speaker 1 I mean, just

Speaker 1 the,

Speaker 1 it just was one of those where I was like, I'm really, like, you wrote this,

Speaker 1 and it is exactly what you needed it to be. Like, laugh out loud, funny.
I mean, and I must have read it

Speaker 1 over

Speaker 1 10 years ago. And I still like it resonates that

Speaker 1 you were writing about your life experiences,

Speaker 1 specifically writing things that women don't necessarily always feel they have the freedom to speak about because

Speaker 1 usually it's the idea that we don't have the right to talk about it because it's not, it's classless or it's all of these other ideas that like men can talk about it in a locker room, but we can't talk about it openly because it's crude, I guess.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 But to be able to read that book and to see you embracing that and being like, yeah, I fucking did that was

Speaker 1 so refreshing and so much fun to read.

Speaker 1 And I've I've felt that through the way that you tell stories, that it's in an unapologetic way, but it's so pure and authentic And you can hear

Speaker 1 you saying it. Like you can hear you telling the story, which is so much fun to read.

Speaker 1 Did you realize while you were writing, especially those early books, that you'd become an icon for young women and how

Speaker 1 we then have progressed forward and how we can talk about things more openly?

Speaker 2 No, I didn't, no, I didn't think that. I think I've always been really true to who I am.
I've never tried to pretend or to be something that I'm not. And that's what I want for every woman.

Speaker 2 You know, that is so important to me, especially young girls and young boys, everyone. I want them to be who they are.

Speaker 2 And I didn't realize the power in being truthful about things that most people were shying away from.

Speaker 2 When I went around and pitched that book, My Horizontal Life, no American publishing company would publish it. An English company, Bloomsbury, bought the rights to it.

Speaker 2 And then they sold it in like 67 countries. And so I had all this success.
And eventually it became a New York Times bestseller, But I had all of this success internationally.

Speaker 2 Like America was like so sanctimonious. Like a girl talking about one night stands.
I'm like, half of them didn't even come to be one night stands.

Speaker 2 I would like skedaddle before, you know, once I saw somebody's penis or something, I'd be like, oh, I got to get out of here. I got to find my Invisalign or something.

Speaker 2 I once told a guy I had my Invisalign in my car and like left him in his underwear and said, I'll be right back. He's like, you have to get it now.

Speaker 2 I'm like, yes, yes, especially if we're going to do what you think we're going to do. Yeah, if we're going to get intimate.
I want Invisalign.

Speaker 2 So I never set out to do that. No, but I definitely feel, I have felt the love over the years from so many women and

Speaker 2 about being open and about saying the thing that we're told we're not supposed to say. And I don't think there is any shame at all in women being open about their sexual experiences.

Speaker 2 Yes, do you need to get graphic? I don't know. That's your choice, but we have the choice.
And so the choice is up to you. You know, you can do whatever you want and you can have success.

Speaker 2 And I think being authentic, I think it's a perfect lesson to demonstrate how authenticity yields success because you're not going to argue with someone who's really being themselves.

Speaker 2 You can choose not to like it, but you can't argue with it. So, I love that I did that when nobody really wanted to do that and everyone thought it was kind of ick.

Speaker 2 I was like, no, no, no, this is good.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 It settled it. It was, you, it hit.
It was very good.

Speaker 2 Actually, I have to say something about Thunder because I do a residency in Vegas and I at the Cosmopolitan Hotel.

Speaker 2 And they wanted to, they wanted some of the guys from Thunder Down Under to walk me out on stage on the first night. And I was like, can I see their pictures first?

Speaker 2 Because I was like, I've actually slept with one of those guys and I want to make sure it's not him. So luckily it wasn't, but that was a concern.
And that was just recently.

Speaker 2 I'm like, is he still fucking working there? My God, he must be like almost 50.

Speaker 1 Anyway, now, your new book, I'll Have What She's Having. I loved it.
I had sticky noted it. I was deep in it.

Speaker 1 My favorite chapter was the letter to your nieces and nephews

Speaker 1 because it in raising children right now was one of those things where I was reading your bullet points of like, hey, get your shit together, pick up after yourself.

Speaker 1 Like the people in this house aren't here to pick up after you. And to read that, I'm like,

Speaker 1 can, can how do I issue this letter to my own children? It was basically like a letter of like, respect,

Speaker 1 like, be respectful. But I also love that you did it in a tactical way where you explained, like, it's not about the fact that I

Speaker 1 didn't get to the point of yelling at them, right? Like, I, I decided to be a little more gentle and kind about it. And still, you came at it firm.
It was, it was so good.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 What

Speaker 1 led you there? Like, I know that they came and lived with you and all that. And, but, like, when you arrived at that destination, were you just like, I got to let them know?

Speaker 2 I, I had been on many vacations with my family. That I'm a family girl.
I have a huge family. My brothers and sisters can't stop procreating, kind of like you.

Speaker 2 You know, they just want so many babies. And so I'm like, I'm, I really take a lot of pride in being a kick-ass aunt.
You know, I'm the one that's going to provide the edibles.

Speaker 2 I'm the one that's going to provide the adventure. I'm here for you, you know.
And

Speaker 2 so I had taken, we had been on so many family vacations. And then we were on this vacation and just the boys were hiding beer bottles.

Speaker 2 You just find beer bottles everywhere because they were secretly drinking for my sister-in-law. She's Russian and,

Speaker 2 you know, not

Speaker 2 a drinker.

Speaker 2 So everyone's just sneaking everything and there was stuff being hidden and just belligerent and just kind of no one making eye contact with any of the people who were coming into our house to help clean or any of the food delivery people.

Speaker 2 And I just had such a, such an ick feeling, you know, leaving that vacation. I just kind of felt so, A, taken advantage of.

Speaker 2 And B, I knew I had a responsibility in it because I was the one taking them on these,

Speaker 2 taking them on these lavish vacations and paying for everything and paying for housekeepers to come and clean up after them.

Speaker 2 No wonder they didn't know how to clean their rooms because they didn't think they had to when they were with me.

Speaker 2 But seeing my sisters clean up dishes, like seeing the kids eat and leave their plates, you know, in the living room, and then my sisters going and picking that stuff up and just seeing the whole behavior of that week.

Speaker 2 We were on Martha's Vineyard that week and I remember just

Speaker 2 at the end of the vacation, I was in one of my, like I just had gotten pissed, you know, and I got quiet.

Speaker 2 And my sisters are like, oh, she's about to blow, you know, like, this is, here we go, here we go. It's always like good until Chelsea flips out.
And I'm like, no, I'm not going to flip out.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm going to figure out a right, the right way to deal with this. It's not yelling and screaming.
It's hard to get anything done with yelling and screaming.

Speaker 2 I didn't learn on that until I was 40. And that's, it's really nice to be able to make a point or have an argument without losing your temper.

Speaker 2 And so I just thought long and hard. And I wrote that letter and revised it and revised it.
And then I sent it off. And it felt fucking awesome.
They didn't love it. They did not react.

Speaker 2 You know, they weren't pleased. And it took a while, but eventually every single one of them came around.
At first, it was funny because people were like, well, that's not me. That's not me.

Speaker 2 They're talking about, you know, everyone else did that. And I was like, no, no, it's all of you.
And it's also all of you to my siblings.

Speaker 2 I'm like, you're the reason that your children are acting this way too. I'm taking my responsibility, but you're all responsible for your children's behavior too.

Speaker 2 And so then they're, then they were included in the letter. They're like, oh, no.

Speaker 2 And then slowly everyone was like, we're sorry. Like, you made a good point.

Speaker 1 But it led to better vacations, right?

Speaker 2 Yes, it led to a lot more respect and a lot more appreciation.

Speaker 2 There's really nothing as disappointing as rude children. And not that any of them are rude, but just not considerate enough at that point.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I want to please and thank you to every person you meet. When we go out to a restaurant, look at the fucking waiter in the eye.
Don't lie down at a restaurant.

Speaker 2 Get up and look at that person and order your food. Don't look at your mother.

Speaker 1 You're 14.

Speaker 2 Decide what you want to eat and then fucking say it. Yes.

Speaker 2 So all of those things, you know, it was either that or I wrote a book called Hot Parenting Tips and then that would have been like passive aggressive, you know?

Speaker 1 Sure. Just go straight for it.
Yeah, yeah. You don't strike me as the type of person who would try and do the passive aggressive route.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not passive aggressive.

Speaker 1 Why invest the time in the passive aggressive route when you can just be aggressive?

Speaker 2 That's it. Yes.
I like aggressive aggressive, not passive aggressive.

Speaker 1 It's way more enjoyable.

Speaker 2 I don't have the personality for that.

Speaker 1 There's no questions then you're not there's no confusion it is what it is like this is what i'm asking of you and then you you do it yeah i like that better yes absolutely yeah i'm back and interrupting your regularly scheduled programming to talk to you about more exciting programming my family loves Peppa Pig.

Speaker 1 Like I mentioned, pig changes are coming for Peppa Pig and family. Now that it's been revealed, Mummy Pig is pregnant and due in June.

Speaker 1 And now that you know Mummy Pig is pregnant, I'm sure you can't help but wonder, is Peppa going to be meeting a new little brother or a little sister?

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 always can tell right away, but Mummy Pig did not share that with us, so we'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 1 You won't have to wait too long to find out because Walmart will be exclusively revealing the gender on April 25th at 9 a.m. Eastern Time in the U.S.

Speaker 1 All new baby toys will be available only at Walmart on June 1st and nationwide in August. In the meantime, Walmart is a great place to shop for all things Peppa Pig.

Speaker 1 Your essays make it clear that you've always known you were going to be successful.

Speaker 1 One of the stories that you've told

Speaker 1 not only in interviews, but in the book, is when you walked past first class

Speaker 1 and then you promptly fixed it. and ended up in a first class seat on one of your

Speaker 1 later flights.

Speaker 1 What would you consider was your actual like first big break?

Speaker 2 I was on a show called Girls Behaving Badly. So that was kind of a break.
I mean, it wasn't like big money, but it was, I was on TV and I was on a show that was fun.

Speaker 2 And it was four other girls with me. And we laughed a lot.

Speaker 2 And we had a great time. And I was being paid to be funny.
So I loved that. And then after that,

Speaker 2 I think I had had a couple development deals where they give you like $100,000 and they're going to develop a TV show. And so I got a couple of those deals, but that wasn't like a huge break.

Speaker 2 That was like potentially could be something and then potentially falls apart. And then I think Chelsea Lately came around right after Girls Behaving Badly led to then I did my horizontal life.

Speaker 2 And then I did a show called the Chelsea Handler Show on E. That was only one season.
And they said, we love you. This show isn't working.

Speaker 2 We'd like to put you on a late night show. So Chelsea Lately and then my second book kind of came out at the same time.
And then that became the big thing.

Speaker 2 That became when people started to know who I was.

Speaker 1 And Chelsea Lately,

Speaker 1 I will say this just because I have to. There's never been a dog that I've seen that I wanted to pet more than Chunk.

Speaker 2 Oh, have you seen Doug, my new dog? He's more pettable than Chunky.

Speaker 1 Is he? Because I grew up with shepherds and Chunk just gave like that shepherd, like, and he would just like casually walk behind you on set. And I was like, I wanted to be there.

Speaker 1 I want, that's what I want. I want a set dog like that.

Speaker 2 Chunk was such a stud.

Speaker 2 Chunk once jumped out of a helicopter after me. I fell out of a helicopter once

Speaker 2 by accident. I was tipsy at the time.

Speaker 1 Was it on the ground?

Speaker 2 No, it was over the Hudson River, thankfully. So I fell into the actual Hudson River.

Speaker 2 And guess what?

Speaker 2 I was making a joke to my boyfriend at the time and I stepped out of the helicopter and I made this big gesture and slipped, fell off the helicopter in a pea coat and knee-high leather boots.

Speaker 2 It was Thanksgiving weekend. I fell into the Hudson River and I was panicking because I was like, you know, it's so cold.
It was November. Takes breath wise.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh, and I start swimming and paddling in this big pea coat that I had. And then my foot kicked the ground and I realized I was only in two feet of water swimming like an asshole.

Speaker 2 And then I look up and Chunk jumps out of the helicopter after me into the Hudson River. That's true love.
I mean, when he did that, I was like, I'm going to marry a dog.

Speaker 2 Like, I couldn't believe the commitment and the love like it was so unbesmirched love you know like so pure i i just i loved that dog so much yeah

Speaker 1 you could tell and and he knew i think yeah yeah he was my first rescue so he made me a mother

Speaker 2 and i've been and now i've had i don't know how many rescues in my life but that was he was all chow mixes right i love chows yeah yeah they have that attitude i like that

Speaker 1 i would love to get into your stand-up career in your last netflix special you went off on straight men who wear flip-flops.

Speaker 2 I know your husband wears flip-flops.

Speaker 1 I'm married to one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've seen that. Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about them?

Speaker 1 So I

Speaker 1 don't know. I'm just so used to it.
Right.

Speaker 2 That's what happens.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's almost like I've been desensitized to the fact that he wears flip-flops and wears them everywhere.

Speaker 1 This is not like a like so much so that when he goes somewhere with actual shoes on, people are like, holy shit, he wore shoes. Which to me says we might need to reevaluate that to that degree.

Speaker 1 But we, we very much have leaned into, like, he just fucking wears flip-flops.

Speaker 2 In the wintertime, too?

Speaker 1 Everywhere. Wow.
Wow. It's a full commit.
Almost to the extent where, like, you can almost. a little bit appreciate it because you're like, you're not wavering at all.
Right. The commitment is there.

Speaker 2 That's one way to look at at it.

Speaker 1 But at the same time,

Speaker 1 at the same time, he recently got a pair of boots and he's been wearing them for the last week. And I've been like, oh my God, I haven't seen your toes.
Are you okay?

Speaker 2 And do you like the boots? They're fine. You don't care either way what he's wearing.
You don't care. I don't care.
Yeah, you have children. That's why we don't care.

Speaker 1 It's also why we like, I didn't care before we had kids. It's why we work out well.
Like, neither of us are very stylish. We leave that to the other sibling and his family.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it just, I, it's so.

Speaker 2 I, I had a guy come and meet me over the summer in Mallorca. We were on vacation and he was coming to meet me and I told him, please don't bring flip-flops.

Speaker 2 Like, I know this is a beach setting and you're going to be confused, but I'll have shoes for you when you get here.

Speaker 2 So what I like to do for any man I'm dating is provide footwear for them so that they can't cross me.

Speaker 1 What is the alternative to a flip-flop in a beach setting?

Speaker 2 I don't mind a Birkenstock. Okay.
I'm not opposed to that.

Speaker 1 I think maybe we'll try out some Birkenstocks this summer at the Jersey Shore.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Birkenstocks are hot. They would look cute on Jason, Birkenstocks.
That would be a hot look.

Speaker 1 I'm going to order them the minute we walk out of here and see if

Speaker 1 they don't work out for him because we spend a lot of time at the beach, so we need an alternative.

Speaker 2 But most guys that like flip-flops are opposed to Birkenstocks. I wonder if Jason would care.
Does he care what's on his feet? Clearly not if he's wearing flip-flops.

Speaker 1 So there you go.

Speaker 1 You mentioned briefly your Vegas residency coming up.

Speaker 1 Are you a Vegas person?

Speaker 2 I am not a Vegas person. Okay.
But

Speaker 2 I do a residency, which means I go once a month for the next two years at the Cosmo. It's at the Chelsea Theater.
So I get to perform inside myself, which has always been a dream of mine. Delightful.

Speaker 2 And I bring a group of friends and we gamble. I perform and everyone gets to come.
And we get a bunch of rooms and then we gamble every time. I love gambling.
I love gambling. It is so much fun.

Speaker 2 And I always have a game of choice. Blackjack.
Okay. And so I bring everyone, I give everyone money and I'm like, okay, this is our time here and this is all the money we have.

Speaker 2 And so far, no one has ever walked away without more money. Really? We have an amazing track record.

Speaker 2 I believe that I have touched the Cosmopolitan Casino and that I have given it good luck because I have not lost a penny there.

Speaker 1 That is so interesting that you say this because last year we went to Vegas. It was the first time I had ever been in Vegas.
Oh, wow. I was 32 years old.

Speaker 1 Well, I was 31. I almost,

Speaker 1 I felt like I had a long streak going that I had to keep it, but they had the Super Bowl there and my brother-in-law was playing. So we naturally had to get out there.

Speaker 1 But it's funny. We stayed at the Cosmo and my husband left with.

Speaker 1 significantly more than he started with. Wow.
And he was very excited about it. So maybe we

Speaker 1 worked in on that luck thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe

Speaker 2 you started the luck.

Speaker 1 No, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 And the Cosmos is actually a fun hotel. I didn't know much about it before the casino, but the selling point was that they have the Chelsea Theater.
And I was like, well, okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, this makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 So they basically walked you right into it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 So I did it. And

Speaker 2 yeah, but I'm not a Vegas person. I understand.

Speaker 2 It's pretty depressing in the daytime.

Speaker 1 That, you know, we were there from Tuesday to Sunday, which I found out very quickly is not what you do. No.
No, you need to get in and get out.

Speaker 1 The number of people who I saw there and they were like, we flew in this morning, we're leaving tonight, or we're leaving tomorrow morning. And I'm like, why am I staying for a week?

Speaker 1 Who tricked me into this? Yeah, who tricked me into this?

Speaker 2 You're a businesswoman.

Speaker 1 I accomplished it. I swear I did not see the sun for three days.
And that really messed me up.

Speaker 1 I can't do it. I'm good.
Yeah. That was enough, Vegas.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there is something. Yes, I understand what you're saying.
I'm with you on that 100%.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 what is the most ridiculous thing that's ever happened to you in Vegas? Because I feel like being there a week that I lived like a whole life while we were there.

Speaker 2 So many things have happened in Vegas. So many embarrassing things.
So many hookups. So many,

Speaker 2 well, this is really embarrassing, but I'll tell it. I mean, why not? I once was with, this is when I was in my early 20s and I was with my girlfriend and I got up in the middle of the night

Speaker 2 to try to use the bathroom, but I couldn't. It was so dark and black that I couldn't find it.
And I was banging on the walls trying to find a door so that I could urinate.

Speaker 2 And eventually I gave up and peed in my own shoe. That was a low point for sure.

Speaker 2 And my friend who woke up in the middle of the night because she heard my stream of urine hitting the bottom of my shoe and ricocheting out of it. I didn't know it was my shoe.

Speaker 2 I thought it was just, I was like, okay, here's a receptacle, you know, other than just peeing right straight out on the floor. And I remember in the morning

Speaker 2 there was another girl that had hooked up with a guy and she came back and she's like, why is there water everywhere? And we're like, it's not water. And it was just disgusting.

Speaker 2 Just a night of just debauchery. And I, I thought to myself, I should never spend the night here again.
You know, I blame the city. I don't blame my character.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't usually pee in sneakers or hotel rooms on the ground, but that was a low point for sure. And

Speaker 2 that hasn't happened again, you know, so I think that's a victory.

Speaker 1 That's growth is what it is.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's maturity and growing up. And I'm sure that headline is going to be all around town.
So we can all look forward to reading that together.

Speaker 2 Chelsea Handler urinates on Vegas hotel room floor.

Speaker 1 Something else that I absolutely love about you is that you're very open about the fact that you have chosen to not have kids and that you don't take shit from people about it.

Speaker 1 Like you just own it completely, unapologetically.

Speaker 1 That is the decision that you've made and you come across so settled in that decision that it's like you don't even give people the opportunity to question it. I love that because

Speaker 1 even though I have chosen to just litter my house with children, I think that it's so important as women to recognize that that is a valid decision, that it doesn't make you any less of a woman, and that ultimately you don't need anyone else to validate the fact that you've chosen to focus on yourself and the loved ones that are already around you instead of having children for whatever reason people choose not to.

Speaker 1 Why do you think people constantly feel the need to challenge women and also you on the fact that you've chosen not to have kids?

Speaker 2 Well, I think that, I mean, it's pretty obvious that people want women in their natural natural role, and which is an antiquated role for all women.

Speaker 2 You know, now we're coming to a place where women, and I talk about this a lot in the book because it's so important to know if you have what it takes to be a mother. I don't have that.

Speaker 2 What I do have is a huge bandwidth because I don't have my own family to take care of. I don't have four or five children, or even two children, that I have to focus on.

Speaker 2 And what that opens me up and gives me the availability to do for other children in my life is really amazing. Like, I'm able to send kids to college that I've never met.

Speaker 2 I'm able to take my friend's kids to New York and to Hawaii and to Mallorca. I'm able to do so many things that if I had my own children, I wouldn't do.

Speaker 2 So, like, it's not, you can't speak about the benefits enough. If you're not cut out for motherhood, you're doing your child a favor, your unborn child a favor, and you're doing the world a favor.

Speaker 2 We don't need any more neglected or screwed up children. We don't need that in this world.
The world is crazy enough.

Speaker 2 So, I am always excited to talk about all of the wonderful things that can be yielded when you choose to understand what your capabilities are. Like, I have a million capabilities.

Speaker 2 Being a mother isn't one of them. I'm a really good like stepdad, and I thrive in that zone.
You know, I want to spoil kids.

Speaker 2 I want to show them anything is possible, that the world is, you know, endless with and filled with possibilities if you you are really authentic and understand who you are and and you get after it you know what i mean you have a really great work ethic you know how to work hard and you know how to be a sister to everyone and love people up and i think that's the biggest thing that i've learned from not having a child it's made me even more sensitive to just being a sister to the world you know without

Speaker 2 sounding like corny in that sense like sisterhood being a woman and being there for other women and showing up and being honest and telling the truth. All of those things are really valuable and

Speaker 2 I take them really seriously.

Speaker 1 That's incredible. I cannot thank you enough for coming to sit down with me today.
It is such an honor to get to talk to you.

Speaker 1 And ultimately, I have to say, not only in the way that you have been a role model for myself, but I am so happy to be raising four four daughters in a world that you exist and that you have paved the way and that you have had these conversations and written the books that you've written and that you continue to not only be incredibly self-aware, but

Speaker 1 always grow, like you talk about like your growth and how you're constantly trying to like be better. And all of that

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 conjunction with the way that you lift other women and the way that you've talked about today, and in your book about that sort of sisterhood,

Speaker 1 is absolutely amazing. And I cannot thank you enough for using your voice for that and that you've done that with your life.
So I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much. Thank you.
And congratulations to you on everything because this is really nice to see the success that you're having. Thank you.
It's really nice. So congratulations.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much again to Chelsea Handler for joining me today. Make sure you check out her book, I'll Have What She's Having available Now.

Speaker 1 You can find even more clips from our conversation on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie.

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