Kylie on Marrying Into Fandom, Pop Culture Crash Course & Postpartum Lies with Amanda Hirsch | Ep. 7

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Not gonna lie, that Eagles game shaved years off of my life. I have at least four new gray hairs.
At least. Let's get into this podcast.
Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave Original brought to you by Duncan. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, daughter of Big Ed and Lil' Lease,ivan driver and the new owner of a butter pecan friendship bracelet that I got last week at the late show.
I know it's Duncan colors too. Gosh, you guys get me as always make sure you follow us on social at NGL with Kylie and subscribe to the not going to lie YouTube channel.
Coming up on today's episode, the NFL playoffs are an emotional time for fans. But today I want to help out all the relatively sane partners of fans who simply married into the madness with some tips on how to be a good sports spouse.
After that, I'm so excited to be joined by everyone's favorite pop culture queen and the woman behind the not skinny but

not fat empire, Amanda Hirsch. Another person I have no business speaking to.
But before we get to any of that, I'd like to start things off with, can I be honest? With only a couple months left to go, I'm in the final stretch here with baby number four, so I figured I'd get honest about preparing for my fourth baby versus my first. This time around, I've done nearly nothing.
We are about 10 weeks out from meeting this child, if all goes to plan. And I have ordered a new baby seat.
The baby seats that sit on the floor, those sort of sling style seats, I ordered a new one that has a wide base and is about the height of a high chair. The reason I did that was because I have a slight concern that her three older sisters may run past and

clothesline her. And in that situation, it is very much a springy effect.

I don't want to know what the end of that looks like. I'm not going to lie.
I know a lot of people

do a lot to prepare for having a child, including educational avenues. So reading books, taking birth classes.
I didn't do any of it. Not even for Wyatt.
The books that people read, good on you. It's not me.
And I didn't do it. And I don't plan on doing it now because that seems silly.
We are no closer to choosing a baby name. We have had absolutely no progress whatsoever.
I have seen a number of people DMing me, telling me baby name suggestions.

What I will say in response to that is when you suggest a baby name,

think of the nicknames that would then go along with that name. Because

I know a lot of great Garys, but I cannot name my daughter Garrett, knowing that her nickname would be Gary. You see what I'm saying? Also, merit we have received a lot.
I am, I like Christmas, but I don't need to feel merry. Can I be really honest before we finish? Can I be honest? There's a good chance that this child doesn't even get two Ts.
I know. People are very invested in this, but I just feel like a curveball might

be fun. And also we've run out, I think.
So just prepare yourselves. If we don't have two Ts,

it's okay. And she's still one of us.
Now that really does it for Can I Be Honest.

Moving on, there's something else going on in my life that's a close second to my growing family. And that is this Philadelphia Eagles situation.
That's what I'm going to call it. Don't worry.
I do have the wooden spoon again. But I'm going to try my best not to need it.

So there might be some situations where I need you to read between the lines.

Um, shout out to the spoons last week. I'm not saying it worked, but you saw it.
Um,

that's kind of making me want to go, shit. So early.
Okay. You guys know I'm crazy as evidenced

Thank you. That's kind of making me want to go, shit, so early.
Okay, you guys know I'm crazy, as evidenced by the spoons, but I realize some of you actually are normal and just married into this. And since I didn't live stream myself at the game on Sunday, thank goodness, I'm going to check out a few clips of Eagles fans to explain what I'm getting at here.
Show them my people, Queen Emma. It's the pacing and yelling for me and the cursing at the TV as if the person can hear you.
A lot of middle fingers are necessary. It just feels good to flip a hard bird.
Everybody knows that. I like when there's tears, but you can't tell whether the crying is happy or sad tears.
If you're dealing with a similar level of fandom in your home, I want you to know that I'm here for you too. Here are my tips on how to be a good sports spouse.
Tip one, accept the fact that the team will dominate your partner's thoughts for a while. Okay.
This applies to pre-game and post-game. Okay.
Pre-game, they're going to need to be getting mentally ready, mentallyally ready for anything that could possibly unfold. And then post-game, they're going to be watching highlights at 6am at full volume.
Because who doesn't want to relive that Saquon Barkley run for a touchdown with snow on the ground? God, that was beautiful. You may ask your spouse to take the dog out and suddenly hear them screaming, go birds, at the neighbors.
That's a bonding experience. And I know that you might think that that's embarrassing, but that's camaraderie between neighbors.
That's going to be the neighbor that sees a package out front and snags it for you to make sure it stays safe. Okay? That's that GoBirds bonding.
Don't be embarrassed about that. Okay? It just, it's a perk.
This next tip hits very close to home. Number two, don't question our superstitions.
We know we're being irrational, but whatever gets us that W, that's what we're doing. Superstitions may include, but are not limited to, knocking on various items made of wood, crossing your arms or legs in any specific way, moving seats, standing in a specific spot, making sure that your drink is aligned properly on the coffee table, maybe eating the exact same things every week or drinking the exact same things every week, a specific volume number.
I know that this all sounds a little outside of the box, but you just need to be supportive. So instead of calling out our sickness, I suggest playing along or honestly taking the day off.
Treat yourself to something you'd rather be doing. Get out of the house.
But if you're going to be in a shared space with the spouse, you need to be there and you need to be supportive. Okay.
And that includes superstitions. Number three, if the team loses, give your partner time to grieve, AKA the cry it out method that Queen Emma very nicely pointed out.
Um, very similar. I would say that we probably need to live by the 24-hour rule, which is something that a lot of athletes personally live by.
But in the playoffs, very different. Very different.
You're going to need days, okay, days to dwell on it, to maybe rewatch some of the clips, figure out where they went wrong. Make sure that we are ready to assess the situation, address it in the off season, and be back and ready for anything the next season.
It's just very simple. We need time.
Okay. So just make sure that you're prepared to give us that space.

And if you prepare for it and you don't need it, even better. Know what I mean? But seriously, like let us grieve.
Number four, do not tell us it's just a game. It's not.
I think that anyone who has a serious sports spouse will know that a win or a loss can very much dictate at the very least how the next 24 to 48 hours goes in your house. And because of that, it's not just a game.
You know that this has the possibility of lifting up or tearing down our city as a whole. That's not a game.
That's our lives. Come on.
Like I said, be supportive. And tip number five, talk shit with us.
If we're yelling at the TV, join in. This is not just a me thing.
You are more than welcome, more than welcome to yell not only positive things, but negative things as well. As long as you are directing them at the people who deserve them.
Without fail, you can do that to the opposing team. Even if the opposing team has not done a single thing to piss off your spouse in the last, let's say three to five minutes, you can still hit him with a,

fuck, how about them? It will still be well-received. Because at that point,

we are just hunkered down anything and everything against our opponent. Okay? So,

take note. Bonus, if you dare to take us to a watch party, give people fair warning.
Do not take a crazy sports spouse out of the house into someone else's home and expect that the friends you're going to spend the day with have seen what they are about to see. So you should engage in a full warning.
You should probably take gifts or high reward foods because they deserve a thank you for putting up with something that you agreed to when you said I do.

That does it for my tips on how to be a good sports spouse. If both people in your relationship are intense fans, all I can say is good fucking luck and go birds.

Let me get a knock on one for this one.

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She's also a red carpet correspondent, a mother of two, a wife, and one of the funniest follows out there. Amanda Hirsch, welcome to Not Gonna Lie.
Thank you. That was so nice.
Thank you. Thank you for having me on like the number one podcast in the world, Kylie.
barely stop it is um I started following you when the Emma Stone clip came out. Hey, nice to meet you.
I love your pad. My what? Podcast.
You do? Goodbye. To everyone I quit for the day.
Your reaction was so chill and yet so perfectly hype. Like there was this underlying, just like, I've made it.
And also like, uh, we can leave it. Like just like the quick wit of like, we can go, we I'm done here was outstanding.
The vibe passed. I know that was Emma Stone.
Listen, when I met her, I that I was working at that event. It was like a champagne event.
And until that night, the big guest was supposed to be Margot Robbie, which is obviously a very exciting interview as well. And last minute they they got Emma Stone instead.
And I was like, oh, my God, I love her so much. And who could have ever thought in my life that that would be what she would say?

That she said, I love your pod because we didn't.

Everyone is an owner.

But she and I genuinely thought she said pad.

And I thought there was like a period pad on my face because what could she be talking about but she like she tried to be funny because she is so funny and I didn't get it you know and and it was and it was such a moment but I have to say she was so sweet and fun and got it right away and like was in on it and just even after she was just exactly what you would want em Emma Stone to be IRL. And that is kind of what happens with these, which I'm sure you know you're meeting a lot of, like, celebs and A-listers and whatever.
And it's, like, usually, like, the bigger they are, the fucking, like, cooler and nicer. You know what I mean? It's not like, you know, you meet, you know, in their standoffish or something.
Well, you hold out hope, I think, when you see these people climb to the top and are so successful. And you hold out hope that to some degree they are as awesome as you have made them out to be in your brain.
And when they deliver when you meet them, you're like, hell yeah. Yeah.
You kind of get like, like you just it, it, the reaffirm it, the fact that it reaffirms what you've already built up. You're like, this is great.
This is great news. Thank you for not letting me down.
Yeah. You're amazing.
And then you take it a step too far and you're like, we're going to be best friends. Okay.
Maybe not that. Fine.
Okay. Reel it in.
This feels great. I think we're, I think we have something here.
Yeah. We have something here.
It's happening. We're going to be best friends.
Before we go any further, I have to ask, um, about the name, not skinny, but not fat. So dumb.
How did you initially choose that name? So dumb. So so i should be i should be prouder i can tell you love it now yes um no here's the thing when i started do you remember uh like 2015 2015 was the year of like meme accounts yes right so i'll name a few.
Fad Jewish. Fuck Jerry.
My therapist says. Yes.
Beige Cardigan. Like all these names.
Oh my gosh. What throwbacks.
Jeez Louise. I know.
Am I aging myself? No, because these are all ringing a bell. So I actually started in 2015 or 16 as a meme account.

Okay.

So when I started and had an idea like, oh, all these funny things that people are writing,

like I love to write and I wanted to do that too, just for fun or even to just like, you

know, relate to other people.

Because I think I was like going through a depressed time and like, I loved just reading

those like quick, funny, you know, know memes they were called at the time so I was like you know you know those late night bedtime thoughts I was like going to bed and I was like I will open a meme account like literally and I will call it not just kidding literally just because my brain was wired in those names. Everybody had a name that was catchy.

And I thought it was genius that my brain came up with this a night and started it the next day. Now, you have gotten the opportunity on your podcast to talk to so many different celebrities and reality TV stars.
I always jokingly say that I, on the show specifically, you would be included in this list now of, I get to talk to people that I have no business talking to. Is there one guest that you've had that caught you off guard more than others? In terms of like that you were shocked that you had the opportunity to speak to them? Well, Ryan Reynolds, I'll tell you why.
Because he and Kristen Stewart. Oh, my God.
Kristen Stewart. I was even more than Ryan Reynolds because she is so cool.
Right. You just see her and you're like, OK, coolest human on Earth that like even with Ryan, I was like, OK, he has some like basic bitch millennial in him you know he'll say it he is a basic bitch millennial so Kristen Stewart is not like to me I was just like she's too oh when I was pregnant Kylie do you ever get this when you're pregnant you feel less cool a thousand percent okay so in my mind Kristen Stewart came up, came on when I was bumping, like I was so pregnant.
And I was like, if I wasn't pregnant, I'd be like smoking a cigarette with her and like, be like, what drug are we doing? Meanwhile, you're like trying to say a whole sentence without heavy breathing. Exactly.
How uncool is that? And by the way, I couldn't shut up about it. So I kept telling her this while she was on my podcast.
I'd be like's uncool to be pregnant I know so uncool to be growing a human I know and she was just like yeah totally I even told her I was like you're just so cool and really I was like do you watch any reality tv no like all the things like you could just tell she's too cool for all those things however I still managed to kind of find the like the relatable Kristen Stewart and that's like the best part like when people listen to the episode and we're like we saw a side of her that we didn't see and you know she's usually like this in interviews and she was more open I was like that to me is the biggest compliment I could ever get in my life obviously that she was willing to come and she came and then that people saw a different side of her and that she kind of was like, I got that little basic bitch out of her, like a tiny bit, even there's so little, but I got some of it, you know, but that, that, those are really cool moments, obviously. Um, yeah, she was, she was super cool.
That actually, that leads us into our next segment perfectly. This segment is titled Coach Me Up.
I have said before that you are a pop culture expert, and I'm not going to lie. I am so bad at keeping up with any of that.
I can't even put it into words. I do not watch really reality TV.
I don't keep up with celebrity happenings. So I'm just wondering.
Well, I'm here for you, Kylie. Well, this is where it goes.
This is where it goes. It, this is where I need you to coach me up.
Um, I'm hoping that you can give me a little bit of a crash course here. So I have a list of some pop culture questions.
Okay. And if you could answer them for me, I feel like you might be able to put me on a, on a better track.
My first question here is if I were to watch any of the real housewives, which, which city? Yeah. Um, should it be? I would say, which this is probably unpopular.
I would say, uh, New York or New Jersey. And this is why I think for you, yes, because you're an East coast girl.
So for me personally, like I like those franchises, even though everyone be like Beverly Hills,

you know, whatever.

But I'm from New York.

I want to see what they're doing in New York.

You know what I mean?

Sure.

And or New Jersey, because I'm familiar with it and it's like still here and they come

into the city.

So I feel like because you're an East Coast girl, like you would care more about that,

relate more to it, feel it more, get into it more.

So yeah, I was... because you're an east coast girl like you would care more about that relate more to it feel it more get into it more um so yeah i would say new york or new jersey to go back though to the og days like not start at present day great um what is vanderpump rules oh my god we have work to do when i so we obviously have really we have like so we have a rundown okay here that queen emma puts together and then we go through it ahead of the show and we decide how to like pick and choose um when she wrote this she said i'm assuming you don't know what Vanderpump rules is.
And I said, you assumed, right. I know that there is a like pretty matriarch, dark haired woman who is the.
Oh yeah. Head.
Right. That's all I know.
That's all I got. I couldn't tell you who else is involved in the show i couldn't tell you that woman's name sure you and jason play head to head who's better at pop culture stuff like would he know vanderbilt roles i don't would he know more than you i don't think so okay so you're saying you might be the better one of the two of you two which is a shame it's so sad it's so embarrassing well um Vanderpump rules it's in the title that woman with the with the hair is Lisa Vanderpump perfect this actually connects with our first question.
She was on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and her business was managing a restaurant called Sir. And she was like, and the producers who would follow her would be like, wait, you have drama on the Housewives, but we see that your staff is like hot, sexy.
They're all having sex or all whatever.

Maybe we should do a show about them.

And so she started producing that show, which then became Vanderpump Rules because she was

the boss of this restaurant.

All of the staff were like fucking each other, like doing wild shit.

So it's based in a restaurant.

Right.

But they are like 45 now.

So they haven't been working at the restaurant. Like there have been like 10 seasons or something.
So, but I'm so glad that now you know. I'm like going to take this honor with me that now you know at least like what it is.
I will take that knowledge with me. This is so bad.
If I were to start watching any reality dating show, which would you recommend? I will say I have heard a lot about Love Island. I have not seen a single episode.
I wasn't thinking Love Island for you. I was thinking for you.
Love is blind. I feel like your love is blind.
Okay. Is love is blind when they are speaking through a wall? Yeah.
I'm assuming. And it's Netflix.
So it's everyone talks about it. And they meet up at the end in a weird little hallway.
Yeah. I've seen the hallway in TikTok clips.
So I think that's where I would start for you. I think Love Island is like too much for you.
It's throwing you in. It's like 65 episodes.
I'm not lying. It's literally 65 because Love Island is shot like Big Brother, where it's like the cameras are just there all day.
So it goes up every day. It's one a day for the whole like three weeks that they're there in this villa.
So every day, it's literally a show a day. So there are literally like 60 episodes.
So that's not for you. That's not for a beginner.
No. Love is Blind is like 10, you know? Great.
Yeah. That's such a good thing to note because it's insane.
It's a commitment of no other. Like to like be with their laptops all day it's really it's really not for moms like i it's really hard for me when i decide to dive in i need to like i'm like fast forwarding episodes i'm like i need to be calculate it's crazy yeah that feels like way too much yeah okay all right i will try love is blind okay if if i get there yeah we'll see uh i keep seeing timothy chalamet all over your stories uh she's talking like a reporter on channel five like i keep seeing this man i yes i've seen yeah what what oh you're not attracted i already know you're not attracted is that what it is okay so you're not first of all let me tell you just tell me amanda you were right i'm not attracted correct okay you're not attracted to the married to? No, right.
I think that what's happening for you is you're seeing the hype and you're like, okay, I'd love to watch a film, but I don't get the hype. I get it.
Because I've never been negative. There's never been like, I don't, that's awful.
I don't get it. It's just that I don't quite understand the hype and I felt like I was missing out on something so that makes a lot more sense that does it for coach me up so I've learned a couple things okay you did I did um I feel better about the timothy chalamet situation because I felt like I was really missing something uh and also I now know that if I need to lean into a dating show, love is blind is my answer.
And now you also know that Lisa Vanderpump created Vanderpump Rules. I still can't get over that it started in a restaurant.
Babe, when I tell you that was peak reality TV, when I tell you it was like waiters dating each other, boning each other, the best friend boning his best friend's best friend. It was like reality TV like that doesn't exist anymore.
I will say I do think they're the closest I ever got to committing to a reality TV show, which makes sense for your recommendation for the Real Housewives was Jersey Shore. Oh, yeah.
So you watch standing show. Yeah.
I mean, that was really our times. You know, it was like everybody was watching Jersey Shore on MTV.
Like we were all watching it. It wasn't like, are you watching? We all watched it.
The funny part was, is that calling it Jersey Shore is especially hilarious to me because I grew up going to the South Jersey Shore. Very different experience.
What? How is it different? No clubs? We're not GTL. There's very few clubs.
Yeah. It's good good clean family fun for the most part within a case like with the good dive bars but like not we're not fist bumping and no yeah i was into poly d by the way i don't know why i was like i could they had some you like the blow dry i don't know what i liked it's like a weird thing i was like i get it i got it paul his humor was oh maybe it was funny maybe see funny speaks to me i just saw a clip recently of when he walked in and the girl i don't know which of the women were mad at him and he was like i'm mad at you because you were mad at me and now I'm mad at you so now we're all

mad and like walks out and I'm like this

is incredible this is how do we

not like the fucking duck phone

I'm like I can't I want

the whole like take

us back I it was

good it was

yeah it felt like a warm hug so you have

it in you to love reality

TV yes I do it because just I will say I did not watch any of the extended. Me neither, me neither.
Yeah. But the OG Jersey Shore, I love them.
I know. And now for the third installment of our fictional Duncan short film saga.
Interior Duncan 2018, Kylie's Bachelorette party. Kylie McDevitt, soon to be Kelsey, stands in the middle of her old stomping grounds for one last hurrah.
She and friends are cheersing with butter pecan iced coffees. The bridesmaids all chant, speech, speech, speech.
Well, I'm a woman of my word, ladies. I said if he agreed to a date in this Duncanin', I'd marry him.
And here we are, the night before my wedding. We widen out to see Dunkin' as decked out for the occasion.
A butter pecan ice sculpture, a tower of munchkins, even a glazed doughnut fondue station. There's no place I'd rather celebrate my final single night than at this very Dunkin'.
Two good times, great friends, and even better coffee. Cheers.
Kylie and the girls all cheers their butter pecans. Kylie's maid of honor, former teammate Beverly, suddenly gasps.
She shows Kylie an email on her phone. Hi Bev, we regret to inform you, but we can no longer host the Kelsey McDevitt wedding as we have double booked our venue.

Kylie drops her butter pecan on the ground in disbelief.

Bev, please tell me this is one of your famous pranks.

Bev takes a big gobo butter pecan.

The wedding is tomorrow. Where are we going to have it now? To be continued.
I read a quote of yours about motherhood that I absolutely love. You said you can still be a dumb bitch and have a baby.
Yeah, you could be a mom and still be a dumb bitch is the sentence. Yeah.
And I say it every day. Did you say this after your first baby? Yeah.
I love that so much. Yeah.
Because it's not, again, the three people that don't get it will be like, well, it's, it's more like, because before when I got pregnant with Noah, my first, I had just started kind of taking off and doing what I do. And I was like very much like, oh, like, you know how you're scared, like a baby is going to halt your career and your passions and your everything.
And I said to myself, like, you're going to keep doing what you're doing. You're just going to be a mom, but you're going to keep doing the dumb shit.
That's how I talk to myself that you do. Like, you're going to watch reality TV.
you're going to keep doing what you're doing. You're just going to be a mom, but you're going to keep doing the dumb shit.
That's how I talk to myself that you do. Like, you're going to watch reality TV.
You're going to take selfies. You're going to, I even told myself, which is so weird that I actually ended up doing that.
I'd be like, you'll breastfeed that baby. And as you're breastfeeding, you're going to fucking talk about what's happening today.
I kept on doing my shit, meaning like you don't have to be a mom and the minute you become a mom only care about mom things do mom things uh baby stuff like not know how to have fun anymore not care about dumb shit not have your hobbies your friends your you can do all that and be a mom it is the most selfless thing you will have to do in your life. It is to some degree all encompassing, right? At any point in the day, you do have to always be concerned about the tiny humans you're responsible for.
But I think there is a misconception that it wipes out the rest of you and makes you solely mom. Whereas what we need to do is tack it onto the end of the resume and keep the rest of the shit that also defines us as who we are as people because we're still us.
Just because we made a human being or we are a mother to a tiny human doesn't mean that like we are only mom.

You said it even better than I could. And moreover, I think that they give you so much motivation and even more purpose in life.
Nothing makes me happier than being able to do what I'm doing and come home to my baby, now babies, or be home with my babies and then have to run out and come back, Like, it gives me this like complete life. You know what I mean? That I, that I, that I love.
Um, but I want people to know that like, if you're scared to have a baby, obviously there are a million things that go into it and you can always do your, your, your, your little plus and minus or timeline or when is right. I did that too.
But I think that the fear that you won't be able to succeed anymore, or you won't be able to start something new, or you won't be able to have any sort of a life, or it's just not what I experience. And also what I think that anybody could do and balance it so that you don't have to.
And by the way, there are people that want to just lean into that and they end up like, you know, learning, uh, parenting courses or wanting to teach kids stuff. Great.
You don't have to, is what I'm saying. You don't have to get the mom haircut, even though I did get a bob.
You don't have to. I'm growing out the hair, you know? I love it.
One of my favorite videos of yours, speaking of breastfeeding, is when you mentioned that you are the living exception to the idea that women who lose pregnancy weight faster when they breastfeed. It'll come right off.
Did you do a not going to lie about this? It'll come right off. It'll shed right off.
I will tell you what, the only weight I lost while breastfeeding was the hair off of my head. Oh, wow.
That's it. Baby hairs, breakage.
That's what I lost. Yeah.
It's not. I don't get it.
Again, it makes sense like that you would be burning these calories or whatever scientifically is supposed to happen. And for the people that it happens for, fuck you.
But yeah, it was not my experience. This actually, my biggest piece of mom advice to any mom is do not get your heart set on anything.
Right. From pregnancy all the way through into motherhood.
Don't think that you are going to have no nausea. Don't think that you are going to be unscathed by the sciatic nerve pain.
Don't think that you are going to only gain 20 pounds. Don't think that you are going to breastfeed.
Don't think that you are going to have a natural birth. So don't get your heart set on anything because baby is going to do what the fuck baby wants to do.
I love that. It's so true.
And why stress out about something that at the end of the day is going to be okay, but might not have been your first choice. It's so true.
I said a very similar thing about birth plans because I, from the beginning said, no, what's a birth plan? How could you plan when you don't know what the fuck is going to happen? How? And then I, my, my explanation for that was like, imagine you plan this whole thing and then God forbid you end up needing a C section or, you know, and how that disappointment. That's not how you want to start motherhood.
Right. Um, something else I think we have in common.
I saw the other day that you posted an Instagram story about your oldest saying fucker and you trying to get him to say Tucker. Now, I'm hoping that I know the answer here.
Is it safe to assume that you curse in front of the kids? Yeah, but I don't think I say fucker, you know. They always pick the ones you don't use.
This is me lying to myself probably probably but I really don't think it's from me because the fucker I don't say but I really need to look up I was gonna tell myself to look it up I think what I'm assuming the right thing to do is is not do what I did which was laugh and like be like no or yes um but you know what I said to another mom the other day I was like him cursing is like the least of my problems you know what i mean like absolutely like like me and my husband even agree on it like we're like that yeah to other people they're like that's crazy but i'm like him saying that word that he doesn't know what it means yes really is not at the top of my like we need to you know take care of take care of this with Noah. You know what I mean? But I think what we're going to do, because it is happening.
I am sure, Kylie, I'm positive he's not doing it at school. So like, I'm not worried because he's way more scared of his teacher, which is like, I need to think about what I'm doing wrong here.
But yeah, he wouldn't do it at school because I've said to him, like, should I tell your teacher you're saying that? And he's like, no, no, no, no. So he wouldn't do it at school.
He's just doing it with us and like to get a rise. Yeah.
I have caught a lot of flack because I am very open about the fact that I curse in front of my kids. I firmly believe that I don't quite understand why we have to give those words so much weight in pretending that they are like offensive to kids.
And my kids know that they're grown up words and they don't use them personally and all of the stuff. Yeah.
There are words that throughout their life they will hear and they won't be shocked by them because they grew up with them. But why do you think that people get so personally offended by the people suggesting that they curse in front of their kids? Well, I feel like because like I've told you that I've been doing what I have been doing on top of my kids since they were born.
You know what I mean? Like I was literally

breastfeeding with Noah being like, so then he went and then he fucking went there and people would respond. But I actually felt like it was more like, not it's so cool, but it was like refreshing to people that I kept on speaking normally.
You know what I mean? Next to my kid. Um,

and I think the words,

like,

again,

to me,

fucker isn't crazy.

Like it's,

it's the F word,

you know,

but,

um,

to me,

like if he was putting someone else down,

I would be way more upset.

You know what I mean?

Like,

um,

if he was,

it's, I feel like it's not, he heard at home that we were speaking not nicely to each other and calling each other names. You know what I mean? But yes, the cursing that we do is more like a fucking this, a fucking that, which isn't great.
And I'm not saying speak like that all day, but I would be I would take it way more seriously if he was coming to kids and calling them stupid or dumb or or just any any insulting word. You know what I mean? Then like the cursing that kind of is meaningless.
It's in our house. our girls will stop you if you say the word stupid, if you say hate, if you say shut up is a big one.
I grew up in a house where you don't say that. My sister and I could call each other lots of names.
And the minute one of us said shut up, my mom would be like, that's enough. And I stand by that.
I think it is when you say it in a serious tone, not in the sort of like Princess Diaries, like shut up. Like not the joking way.
Very much in like the aggressive, it hurts my ears because the house that I was raised in. So shut up is big one.
No one in our house says it. And recently loser has been added to the list.
You are not allowed to say loser because I don't know where that came from, but it was not happening in our house. Blame the kid.
Blame another kid. It is for some reason that one hits my ears poorly too.
But those are all words where our kids know. Like they will say it and

then go, oh. But how? How did you do that? What did you do? We just have talked about that they're unkind words.
So hate, I always say like, you can say you don't like something, but hate is really, that means a lot more than not liking something.

Shut up.

I always just say like,

it's not nice to tell someone that. Yeah.
Like if someone has something to say, we should let them say it. And like stupid, there's so many other words like be more creative.
Well, I can't thank you enough for joining me today. I am so grateful.
Um, I love that you are not only leaning into what you love and what you loved pre kids, but that you've continued with your content and, um, that you're continuing to crush it. And, um, I thank you so much for joining us today.

Thank you for having me, truly.

Thank you so much again to my guest,

Amanda Hirsch, for joining me.

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