Kylie on Who She’s Rooting For in Super Bowl, Mile Gut Checks & Vogue Cover with Gabby Thomas | Ep. 8

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Speaker 2 Not gonna lie, when I got into studio today, I was delighted to find a present on my desk from Kayla.

Speaker 2 It's a block of wood.

Speaker 2 Specifically, it has the sports superstition definition on it, an irrational belief that a specific action or behavior will lead to a positive or negative outcome in a game. It also has a little spot

Speaker 2 to knock here.

Speaker 2 Guys, we don't have to hunt down any more wooden spoons.

Speaker 2 We have it right on the desk.

Speaker 2 She's beautiful.

Speaker 2 Now let's do this podcast.

Speaker 2 Welcome back to Knock Gonna Lie, a wave original brought to you by Duncan. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, Irish Wolfhound mother, reluctant late night show announcer, and just a terrible skier.

Speaker 2 It doesn't matter. The pizza french fry, it didn't work.

Speaker 2 It was bad all around. As always, make sure you follow us on social at NGL with Kylie and subscribe to the Knock It Eli's YouTube channel, you mother.

Speaker 2 I had it.

Speaker 2 I'm so mad.

Speaker 2 It's fine. I'm fine.
It's fine.

Speaker 2 You should, you should keep this.

Speaker 2 Coming up on today's episode, I'm going to get honest about the birds making the Super Bowl. Then I'm going to debut a brand new segment, Doom Scroll of the Week.

Speaker 2 This week, there's an unlikely but delightful new TikTok influencer in the Philly area I can't wait to talk about.

Speaker 2 After that, I'm excited to be joined by three-time gold medalist, Sprinter, and Vogue cover star, Olympics legend, Gabby Thomas.

Speaker 2 You guessed it. I have no business talking to her either.

Speaker 2 As per usual. But before I get to that, you guys have been asking non-stop, pretty much since we launched the show, what the name of our fan base should be.

Speaker 2 I do have a few of your suggestions here to get the ball rolling. Should call watchers, groupies, fans the Kyliars.
Here's the only problem I'm having with this.

Speaker 2 I need clarification on how we're pronouncing this. Uh,

Speaker 2 Kyliar? Kyliers.

Speaker 2 I'm unsure that I know the direction you're leaning.

Speaker 2 So let's clarify that. Victoria Smith says, Princess Squad.
Victoria, I really appreciate your suggestion.

Speaker 2 But princess is one of those words

Speaker 2 that just

Speaker 2 feels like a thorn in my side. I do think that Victoria was probably leaning towards the idea of Princess Kyana or the Duchess of Delco.

Speaker 2 I am so flattered by these names

Speaker 2 that I do not personally identify with either of them. Angela Miller, 3911, wrote, not gonna liars.
That's not bad. We've also seen the liars.

Speaker 2 I feel like that actively negates what we're trying to do here.

Speaker 2 So we should probably

Speaker 2 go a different direction. And from Brittany Arts, if we aren't referred to as Kylie's Queens, I'm gonna be real mad.
That's honestly not bad.

Speaker 2 But what about all the kings that are tuning in?

Speaker 2 I've actually had quite a few men out in public tell me that they listen, which thank you so much for being here. So I don't know if we can specify queens

Speaker 2 because we don't want to exclude the kings that are here for the fun. NGLers for now, please send in your best suggestions.
Tag us at NGL with Kylie. Then maybe we put it to a fan vote we'll see

Speaker 2 moving on it's officially time to get honest and more specifically it's time to get honest about the birds but before i get into it i just want all the people who tagged me in the video of the woman spreading holy water

Speaker 2 outside the link to know i saw it and i loved it i love that she knew that that was what she needed to do.

Speaker 2 Queen Emma, once again,

Speaker 2 show them my people.

Speaker 3 We're here today to come and make sure that we bless all of our players, that we brought our own holy water to lay out on the field if we get to it. I

Speaker 2 love that her accent in this clip only

Speaker 2 further solidifies

Speaker 2 how

Speaker 2 perfectly this sums up. Eagles fans, yes, it was holy water.

Speaker 2 Okay?

Speaker 2 And that is all it will be referred to as

Speaker 2 and again

Speaker 2 i'm not saying that it worked

Speaker 2 but the eagles are going to new orleans

Speaker 2 all right guys let's get into it it happened the eagles and chiefs are back in the super bowl i'll start with the eagles i was at the link to see the game this sunday i was jumping up and down much to the displeasure of the child in my womb.

Speaker 2 She did let me know that that was unacceptable and

Speaker 2 I will be trying my best to keep my feet firmly on the ground. Last time I was out on the field with Jason post-NFC championship.

Speaker 2 This year

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 was there at the end of the game. I got to see the confetti fly

Speaker 2 And then we snuck out before everyone else left their seats because we got home in a record time

Speaker 2 while everyone else was still watching the ceremony. The

Speaker 2 idea of we were right in field seats, the idea of going onto the field felt very

Speaker 2 odd because

Speaker 2 it was

Speaker 2 I was there celebrating as a fan. So it would have been weird had I stepped onto the field.
And also I wasn't there with Jason. Jason was in Kansas City.
So my dad and I,

Speaker 2 Big Ed and I, just snuck out. I did, in fact, make it home in time for bedtime.
Wyatt was very pleased with that. And so was I, because I love an early bedtime.
Those three o'clock games. Perfect.

Speaker 2 Thank you to the NFL. We could do more of those in less of the 820s if you're listening.
Thanks so much. Just for next season, consider it.
All right. And now, the elephant in the room.

Speaker 2 Obviously, this

Speaker 2 time when the Eagles play the Chiefs, it is a little bit different because my husband is retired from the Eagles.

Speaker 2 That being said, I am so

Speaker 2 happy and proud of Travis and the Chiefs' accomplishments. I think that the opportunity to play for such a historic milestone is

Speaker 2 incredible to be able to potentially witness.

Speaker 2 And I think that Travis has been there for his entire career. He has worked so hard and put in so much time

Speaker 2 that I

Speaker 2 am truly, as always, cheering Travis on.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I love him. He's my family.
So I will always cheer on Travis's

Speaker 2 accomplishments and hopefully successes.

Speaker 2 That being said,

Speaker 2 I was

Speaker 2 raised to bleed green.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 have

Speaker 2 friends who are still

Speaker 2 associated with the team.

Speaker 2 I have

Speaker 2 a close relationship with a lot of people in the Eagles organization. I

Speaker 2 get to live in the Philadelphia community.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 will also be cheering

Speaker 2 for

Speaker 2 the success of those people.

Speaker 2 Ultimately,

Speaker 2 the plan is to go to the game

Speaker 2 and to cheer.

Speaker 2 I will say we have made moves to get the girls

Speaker 2 go Uncle Trav shirts because they love their uncle. And of course, we

Speaker 2 love cheering him on.

Speaker 2 And to be fair, they love cheering on the birds too.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 he is.

Speaker 2 our family and I want to make sure that the girls feel feel included. But I will add on

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 any other week when I see Chiefs fans,

Speaker 2 I will tell them,

Speaker 2 go Chiefs.

Speaker 2 I will not be saying that for the next two weeks. I just,

Speaker 2 I can't bring myself to do it because then it feels as though I'm actively

Speaker 2 wishing it against,

Speaker 2 yeah, no, can't.

Speaker 2 Ah, this is hard. I don't like this.
I'm not having fun.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm having fun independently. I'm having fun as an Eagles fan.
I'm having fun as a Travis fan.

Speaker 2 It's hard. This is hard.
I don't like it. I don't like it.

Speaker 2 But also, it's very exciting. But I'm mad about it.

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm having it. Manic episode.
Okay, that does it for Can I Be Honest? Moving on. The Eagles aren't the only Philadelphia athletes making headlines this week.

Speaker 2 We've also been treated to an unlikely new food influencer, Philly's first baseman, Bryce Harper.

Speaker 2 Not only can he smack the shit out of a baseball, he can also apparently bake the shit out of some banana bread. Let's take a look.

Speaker 5 My wife actually got me this for Christmas.

Speaker 2 Not a mixer for Christmas.

Speaker 2 So this is not a new era. It's just a new era of him sharing it with us.

Speaker 2 To be clear.

Speaker 5 We're going to start with one and a half cup of flour. I actually use, or we use kaloop flour.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, what kind of flour?

Speaker 5 I use Celtic salt. Oh.
Can you make it?

Speaker 2 Irish.

Speaker 1 Whether ingredients into the dry ingredients.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Look at him with his Christmas mixer.

Speaker 2 This is a phenomenon that I'm interested in. People make it pretty by putting the banana on top.

Speaker 2 The fire dog.

Speaker 2 Oh my god.

Speaker 2 It's fire dog.

Speaker 2 Is that, did I hear that right? It's fire dog. It's fire dog.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 love that so much. When I give my kids freshly baked banana chocolate chip muffins, I want them to tell me it's fire dog.

Speaker 2 Ellie did tell me, yeah, dude, when I asked her this morning if she wanted a muffin, but that's not nearly as cool as it's fire dog.

Speaker 2 I absolutely love watching recipe videos.

Speaker 2 I would be absolute trash at a recipe or cooking style TikTok series.

Speaker 2 I am not an aesthetic.

Speaker 2 I hesitate on even calling myself a chef.

Speaker 2 I am not an aesthetic cook. I am horrible at baking

Speaker 2 because I don't like having to follow exact recipes. I

Speaker 2 will say that some of my go-to recipes, like my repeat recipes, are meatballs.

Speaker 2 Because sometimes my kids eat them. Well, two out of three will eat them, which is really anything that I make.

Speaker 2 Chicken noodle soup from scratch is something that my mom did growing up. I feel very spoiled about that one.

Speaker 2 But I will regularly make it over the winter because it's just like a warm, cozy hug.

Speaker 2 I will make banana chocolate chip muffins, but that's only because I feel guilty about the number of bananas that go to waste in our house because

Speaker 2 our kids will eat

Speaker 2 17 bananas within a three-day period, and then I will buy bananas in that quantity,

Speaker 2 and then they'll decide they actually hate bananas.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 then we have all the bananas just waiting to be eaten. If there was a Kylie cookbook,

Speaker 2 which I'm not sure there would be enough pages to make a book,

Speaker 2 Queen Emma is asking, would we call it

Speaker 2 Delco Delicacies?

Speaker 2 Maybe.

Speaker 2 Kylie's fucking cookbook? Yes. A collection of recipes and shit.

Speaker 2 Mom Dinner with Kylie Kelsey. That could be a good one.
Fuck around and cook with Kylie.

Speaker 2 How did I get roped into a cookbook by Kylie? That sounds very on-brand. Or, holy shit, please just eat this.
Cooking for Picky Toddlers with Kylie Kelsey. That, um,

Speaker 2 hits home. Specifically,

Speaker 2 last week, when three days in a row, I had to make three different versions of dinner

Speaker 2 because, like I said, it's usually a two out of three situation. And that does it for Doom Scroll of the Week.
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Speaker 2 She's a three-time gold medalist representing Team USA Track and Field. She set eight all-time Harvard records in women's track.

Speaker 2 She was just on the cover of Vogue. She's also got degrees in neuroscience, global health, and is a major advocate for health equity.
Gabby Thomas, welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

Speaker 4 Thank you. What a great intro.
I always like to hear my intro back, and I'm like, what?

Speaker 2 It's honestly

Speaker 2 such an impressive resume. I was so lucky to be able to attend the Paris Olympics as a fan.
We sadly did not make it to any of the track and field events because you guys were a little bit later.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 did you get to check out any of the other events while you were there? Or because you guys were later, were you just sort of focused until competition?

Speaker 4 Yeah. So, I mean, like you said, we were so late.

Speaker 4 And I think one of the hardest parts of the Paris Olympics for me was literally getting there early because we have to get there early for relay camp and then watching everybody else compete.

Speaker 4 And like, We're there like watching and we're still enjoying it, but it is so stressful.

Speaker 4 Like I remember watching the gymnastics athletes and watching them go and they, they did so well and they crushed it and they were on their podium and they got their medals and I was like, oh, I'm so happy for them, but like, oh my God, this sucks because I'm like, they're done.

Speaker 4 They got it over with. And I'm still sitting here like stressed out, so much pressure.

Speaker 4 And I can't even like enjoy the feeling of like going and supporting the other athletes and watching them because I'm like, I need to get back and rest.

Speaker 4 Like, I need to go eat or I need to go practice. And so that was really difficult, I think.

Speaker 4 And then for me, like the 200 is really one of the last track events too. So I'm watching all of my track and field teammates compete and run.
And I'm like, well, great for them.

Speaker 4 Like love that for you. But literally still freaking out over here.
Like I'm having mental breakdowns. And then I had the relays after that.

Speaker 4 So I had the four by one and then the four by four, which is truly the last track event. and like the last day of the Olympics.
So

Speaker 4 I was enjoying it a little bit, but also very much stressed for the entire two-week period.

Speaker 4 But I went and I saw women's rugby because huge Alona Mar fan. Yes.
Yes. That was so much fun to watch.
That probably was my Olympic highlight.

Speaker 2 So had you ever seen Rugby Sevens before?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I had seen it before. So my boyfriend actually plays rugby.
He plays club rugby. So I became a huge like rugby fan.

Speaker 4 I watched the Netflix dock and everything, but I hadn't seen so much of the women's rugby. And I mean, I've always been a fan of Alona ever since, honestly, the Tokyo Olympics, because

Speaker 4 her social media presence is everything. So I watched like a little bit, but I genuinely feel like this was the year of women's rugby.

Speaker 2 And like.

Speaker 4 Even before the girls started playing, we had like a mixed practice. So we had like track and field girls go to the rugby practice.
And we like taught the rugby girls. It was so cute.

Speaker 4 We taught them how to do handoffs with the baton. We did like team bonding exercises together.
It was so cute. We definitely like, we didn't tackle or anything.

Speaker 4 I was not about to tackle, but it was really fun.

Speaker 2 Let's talk some more about running because you did something very, very few people have ever done, which is win three gold medals in track in the same Olympics.

Speaker 2 Which of those three gold medals means the most to you? I think I know the answer.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's a no-brainer for me. It's going to be my individual 200-meter medal.
I mean, the relay medals are incredible. I love them.

Speaker 4 You get to be part of a team, which is a little bit different for track and field. But that 200-meter medal, like,

Speaker 4 I mean, that's so many years in the making.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I know I was out there like by myself, like running it, but it really is kind of a team effort that goes into it. And that's something that you don't think about a lot with track and field.

Speaker 4 It's like I was representing so many people on the line, like my coach, my physio, like my training partners, my like sports psych, my agents, everyone, like my family and friends who helped me get to the line.

Speaker 4 And so that's what I felt like was like embodying that moment. And so it just, I don't know, it meant so much.
And it wasn't even about the one race, right?

Speaker 4 It's about like the years of preparation that went into it, all the hard work, all the sacrifices. And I felt all of that in that one moment.
So, I mean, that's my, that's my favorite.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to lie, I am on record as saying I am the furthest thing from a runner.

Speaker 2 i have said a number of times unless i'm chasing something or running from something i'm not running

Speaker 2 have you ever run a mile do you have like a timed mile or something i couldn't even tell i so i played field hockey but i played field hockey division three

Speaker 2 um which was outstanding it was the perfect fit for me i got that work-life balance i knew i was not going to continue to play field hockey professionally um and we competed at a high level at the school that i was at so i loved being there and competing but it does not translate to being a runner.

Speaker 2 Again, at field hockey, it's like I'm either running from someone or I'm chasing someone or a ball. And for that, I could be like, I have purpose, right? Like, I have something to go get.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 which is funny because I'm 5'11. Like, I have a pretty long stride.
Yeah. You would think that like I could cover some ground.
Yep. Yep.
It wasn't meant to be.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 will say in high school, I was a track and field athlete, very much a field, the field side of things. So I threw shot discus and javelin.
Oh.

Speaker 2 Which

Speaker 2 it stayed in high school where it should have been.

Speaker 4 I can't see it. I would not have guessed that.

Speaker 2 I loved disc. I loved throwing disc because I was long and it helped.

Speaker 2 And my coach. uh sort of told me that i was only allowed to throw disc if i also threw javelin because i did not like javelin.

Speaker 2 It was a bargaining chip.

Speaker 2 But we really, we showed up to practice, we did some technique and then we ate snacks. And that was right on par with where I was at with my track and field situation.

Speaker 4 That's classic high school. But I will say, if I had to guess you did any event in track, it would be Pol Vault.

Speaker 4 And I don't know if the track and field community hears this. They might, yeah, I'm curious to know what they would think.
I want to hear what they think.

Speaker 2 You're going to love that because

Speaker 2 I love that because I always say, I always used to say that I think Paul Vaulters had to have one screw loose.

Speaker 2 Like, you have to be like a little nutty. I say the same thing about field hockey goalies.
You have to be a little nutty to voluntarily do that.

Speaker 2 And I firmly believe that. That's so true.

Speaker 4 That's so true.

Speaker 2 The Paul Volters that we had at our school were some of like the coolest people. Our Paul Voltam coach was like one of the coolest men I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 But I feel like you got to be like a little just one screw screw loose. 100%.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 And you've said a number of times the difference between sprinting and distance running are very,

Speaker 2 it's a wide, wide gap there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What are the biggest misconceptions about sprinters?

Speaker 4 I love this question because, yeah, the biggest misconception of sprinters is that we actually like we run distances.

Speaker 4 Like our training, I would say the most you would do as a sprinter, and this is like the groups that do the most running ever. Like you're running maybe 500s

Speaker 4 and that's on the long side. So like 500 meters might be like, you know, a lap around a track plus a little extra bit.

Speaker 4 But we are not doing, we're not going for jogs. We don't go for runs.
I don't do trail runs. I don't do any runs on the streets.

Speaker 4 Like I go to a track and I do my sprint workout, which is really fast running and I go home. I do a mile gut check like in the fall and that's not even, that doesn't benefit me.

Speaker 4 Like, it's a mental exercise, it's kind of like a therapeutic thing that my coach has us do where we do a gut check. She wants to see how hard we can go, how far we can push ourselves, and that's it.

Speaker 4 And I mean, I ran a PV of a 543

Speaker 4 like maybe two months ago, which was huge for me. But the distance runners are probably like laughing.
They're watching that, like literally laughing on YouTube. Like, what is she doing?

Speaker 4 Like, this is not that hard.

Speaker 2 But that's so cute.

Speaker 4 They're like, that's so cute. And I'm like,

Speaker 4 like, oh, I'm a lot like hopping and hopping. And I'm like a professional runner, but people don't realize that sprinting is a completely different set of muscles and training.

Speaker 4 Even down to our lifestyle, I think sprinters also they get away with a little bit more than distance runners do when it comes to just, you know, nutrition and

Speaker 4 overall discipline. And I hate to say that, but you do get away with a bit more.
As you get older, obviously,

Speaker 2 it does seem more all-encompassing in sort of like your lifestyle that it, it really does.

Speaker 2 I mean, just seeing like some of the things on social media of people training for distance specifically and how they sort of like plan their entire day, not only nutrition, but then hydration,

Speaker 2 exactly, all, all of it around their ability to then be able to go for a casual 20-mile run. I'm like, are you guys okay? Are you guys okay?

Speaker 4 A casual 20-mile run. Yep.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's like, today we got 18.
I'm like, 18, what? Minutes?

Speaker 2 Why are we running for 18 miles? Where are you going?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 No, I can't. Now, we discussed your love of Alona Marr, one of your fellow Team USA teammates.

Speaker 2 But she was making headlines this past week for saying that she does not have imposter syndrome. How do you overcome imposter syndrome? I don't have that.
I feel like I deserve what I've gotten.

Speaker 2 I think that I've worked very hard, even in the rugby space. It's okay to believe you deserve something because you've put in the work for it.
Does that hit home for you?

Speaker 4 I love what she says. I love that type of confidence because absolutely, I think that

Speaker 4 when you earn something, you should feel like you earned it, right? You should feel like you deserved it.

Speaker 4 And I don't like this idea that you should walk into a space kind of feeling timid and kind of giving people people the impression of this immense humility, right?

Speaker 4 It's like humility is important, but no, if you earn something,

Speaker 4 embody that. And I definitely get that.
On the other side of that coin, I do feel as though I have been in spaces where I definitely have felt like I might be in over my head here.

Speaker 4 And, but I welcome that. And I like walking into rooms feeling that way at first because it means that I'm challenging myself.

Speaker 4 When I first got to Harvard, I mean, I knew I had earned it, but I definitely felt like

Speaker 4 I'm a little uncomfortable right now. Like, I'm a little bit in over my head with this biochem class.
Like, I'm not sure if I'm going to pass this course, but you figure it out.

Speaker 4 Like, you enter those spaces and you figure it out and you find a way. And that's how you become a winner.
And that's kind of how I navigate my life. That's how I navigate my challenges.

Speaker 4 When I first moved to Austin, Texas, I joined a group of Olympians and I was not an Olympian. So I kind of felt like, oh,

Speaker 4 I don't know if I'm going to do well here. Like, let's see.
And I figured it out. You just, you figure it out.

Speaker 4 So would I say that, you know, I felt like an imposter, like I don't belong.

Speaker 4 No, I would never say that about myself. But would I say that, you know, I've definitely been in rooms where I felt like I was going to be challenged, where I felt a little uncomfortable?

Speaker 4 Absolutely. Absolutely.
But I think we all should do that, right? It's how you grow.

Speaker 2 I think it's so beautiful to frame it as when you walk into a situation that you don't necessarily know that you are quite on that level or

Speaker 2 sometimes like that, that moment of like, do I belong in this space? Just like sort of having that moment to ask yourself the question, but then recognizing if I'm here,

Speaker 2 I'm meant to be in this space and I can meet, rise to meet the challenge and

Speaker 2 sort of integrate myself in a way that that means even more so that I'm meant to be here.

Speaker 2 I think when it comes to athletes, specifically, and athletes clearly having more and more, specifically women, athletes having more and more of a platform through social media, it is so beautiful to see these women who, like you're saying, have worked so hard that they've earned the ability to be like, no, I do belong here.

Speaker 2 I do, I do deserve this because it is such an obvious display of, I've worked to get where I am, to be as elite as I am as an athlete. And then

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 inspiration or

Speaker 2 however I am connecting with the community through social media,

Speaker 2 for whatever reason they're following me, it is because I put myself in this position through my hard work in athletics.

Speaker 2 So it's amazing that you and Alona both have come to realize that or have known all along that you guys and your hard work work have placed you exactly where you're supposed to be.

Speaker 2 And now for the finale of our fictional Duncan short film series.

Speaker 6 Interior Duncan 2018 Kelsey wedding. Kylie wears her gorgeous wedding dress and holds an equally gorgeous bouquet of Duncan munchkins while arm in arm with her dad, Big Ed.

Speaker 2 I'm not gonna lie, dad, I'm a little nervous.

Speaker 6 Big Ed points to Jason at the end of the aisle smiling at them. Kylie can't help but smile back.
Kylie takes a deep breath and she and her dad start to walk down the aisle to a 2000s hip-hop track.

Speaker 2 Also, I still can't believe Bev found a way to squeeze the whole family into this Duncan at the last second.

Speaker 6 Kylie reaches Jason at the altar. The officiant asks Kylie to recite her vows.
She looks down at an orange Duncan logo notebook.

Speaker 2 I can't believe this day has finally come. While it's not exactly how I imagined it, somehow it's even

Speaker 2 better

Speaker 2 inside this dunkin.

Speaker 6 We hear aws from the crowd. Kylie looks back up at Jason and notices an awesome butter pecan pin on his lapel in place of a boutonnier.

Speaker 2 Stunning.

Speaker 2 I, Kylie McDevitt, take you, Butter Pecan.

Speaker 6 Suddenly, the music screeches to a halt. Did she just say the wrong name? Jason looks around.
He seems ready to bolt.

Speaker 2 Did I say Butter Pecan?

Speaker 2 I meant Jason.

Speaker 2 Jason.

Speaker 2 Jason, wait.

Speaker 2 Find out what happens next on season two of the dunkin chronicles

Speaker 2 you very recently were on the cover of vogue

Speaker 4 unreal this is first of all you looked amazing no it's unreal um what was your initial reaction to hearing that you were going to be on the cover um oh my gosh i i screamed i think my publicist had called me called me alana called me and told me that i was going to be so at first i just i knew i had a feature so I was like, oh, this is incredible.

Speaker 4 I'm going to be in vogue. It's amazing.
And then I was like, it's a digital cover. And I was like, ah, this is the pinnacle of my life.
Right.

Speaker 4 And then she calls me with an update and said I was going to be on a print cover. I actually have it right here because my boyfriend picked up 10 copies.

Speaker 2 Amazing. In Florida.
We love a supportive king. I know.

Speaker 4 We love a supportive king. And I actually, I cried.
I was crying because it

Speaker 4 is something just truly out of my wildest dreams.

Speaker 4 When I am training and racing and competing and working hard,

Speaker 4 I'm not thinking about these types of things. I'm really thinking about the process and how to get better each day.
And I really do take it day by day.

Speaker 4 So when these types of things happen, like being on a Vogue cover,

Speaker 4 it just feels like all of my dreams have truly come true. And for something that's a little bit outside of my wheelhouse, right? Like it's not a track or running magazine.

Speaker 4 It's this highly renowned fashion cover. So, I mean, I truly felt like I had made it when I got that phone call.

Speaker 2 Now, with

Speaker 2 the NFL and really the NBA in particular, players are all about their pregame fits. My husband, Jason, is on record saying he doesn't do game day fits.

Speaker 2 He shows up in like jeans, flip-flops, and like a t-shirt.

Speaker 4 See, that's what I love about fashion, fashion, right? It's like express yourself.

Speaker 2 It's him. It is him.

Speaker 2 We love that about it.

Speaker 2 Do you think that we should start getting some tunnel shots of other sports? Like when you show up to a meet, are you just fully like athletic clothing because you're ready to compete?

Speaker 2 Or are you showing up in something that's a statement? Or would you just like the opportunity to show up in something as a statement? So you can be like, I'm here.

Speaker 4 No, I think we absolutely need to bring this to track and field. And we've already started.
So last season, we did a lot of our kind of our own little tunnel shots.

Speaker 4 Like, the issue with track is we don't have a locker room. There's no locker room for us to go to to change into.

Speaker 4 So you'll see us, like, if you watch Noah Lyles, like, he does it at every meet, like a really great fashion intro.

Speaker 4 And we'll just kind of go in this port of hottie or like little small public corner and change.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we'll go to the little corners and just like change into our uniforms after doing like our flashy walk-in moment so i think that's the the trick with track and field we need like venues that would help us like support that but we started it and in track like like fashion is everywhere like people in track and field are very into it it's very ingrained in the track and field culture at least the sprinters and even at we had this new track league called atlos and we had our inaugural event last september And we had a really dope carpet fashion walk-in.

Speaker 4 It was sick.

Speaker 4 Anyone who's listening can just look up Athlos. It was really cool.
And everyone did it. And it was incredible.
Like, we had a DJ and everything. I mean, it was dope.

Speaker 4 So I would love to see more of that in track and field. Like,

Speaker 4 I mean, I think us athletes would definitely go for it. The women and the men.

Speaker 2 I mean, everyone's a different person. I do think it's a cool way to continue to not only be able to express yourself, but show your personality.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And really, it is a moment of like, I'm here.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 2 I'm here to fuck shit up.

Speaker 4 Right?

Speaker 4 It's a whole mentality. It's a whole mentality.
And that's a big part of track.

Speaker 4 And what I love about MySport, too, is we actually do get to express ourselves like on the tractor while we're competing too.

Speaker 4 So we like, if you look at the athletes, especially the women who are running, it's like how they do their hair, their nails, their jewelry, whatever you do to your uniform, any of that, like.

Speaker 4 That's part of it. So we're kind of bringing that expression to the track as well.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 anyone who didn't know, they certainly know now that you went to Harvard, which is an incredible accomplishment. But

Speaker 2 you absolutely nailed this.

Speaker 2 You called someone out in your comments.

Speaker 2 They

Speaker 2 tweeted at you. Was this on Twitter?

Speaker 2 They tweeted at you and said, Gabby Thomas doesn't sound like she's the brightest out there. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Dan.

Speaker 4 Dan, Dan, Dan.

Speaker 2 Dan. Dan.
And you replied, you're probably right. Darn my Harvard degree.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 cannot tell you how much I support this behavior.

Speaker 2 I really truly believe that if they're going to fuck around, you should help them find out.

Speaker 2 So well done here.

Speaker 2 Being a woman in sports, I'm guessing you get

Speaker 2 something along these lines pretty often.

Speaker 2 Do you sort of just decide when it's when you've had enough?

Speaker 4 I mean, yeah, being a woman in sport, you're just kind of subjected to this all the time on the internet. And some days I just, I have time.

Speaker 4 If I'm traveling, I'm on a plane, don't catch me on that day because I'll clap back. And I mean, I'll have fun with it, but it's also kind of true, right? It's like, okay, I get off your high horse.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure where you're coming from or why you're saying that. And if you read the comments under the tweets, they are absolutely awful.
but at the end of the day

Speaker 2 it doesn't matter i i don't have anything to prove to dan but the clapbacks are always hilarious well i i have to tell you i i wholeheartedly appreciate you um letting dan know that you can't just say whatever you want and think that someone is not going to reply with the perfect clapback so well done thank you thank you Let's talk a little bit more about your college accomplishments.

Speaker 2 It's not every day that you come across a superstar athlete who also happened to to major in neurobiology.

Speaker 2 I've talked about this before, but I had a neighbor growing up who was on the autism spectrum that inspired me to do a lot of the work that I do for the Eagles Autism Foundation.

Speaker 2 I read that you are also inspired to get involved in the field.

Speaker 2 what brought you to that?

Speaker 4 Yes. So I actually have two neurodivergent brothers, but my younger brother has autism.
And so, growing up with that, just kind of understanding how he

Speaker 4 goes about the world, how he views the world, and my other brother kind of noticing how society chooses to interact with that as well, the different treatment options, even just the general like learning options as well, just everything that goes with having autism or any type of neuroatypical condition.

Speaker 4 And so, I was intrigued by that. I wanted to study it.
I wanted to see what the options were and I wanted to go into research.

Speaker 4 So after my freshman year at Harvard, I did research on Rhett syndrome and one of the labs there.

Speaker 4 And in my neurobiology studies, I started to

Speaker 4 focus a little bit more on kind of the health equity side of health care and medical care and seeing what the implications were of that and just health inequities and specifically racial disparities.

Speaker 4 And so I started to kind of leverage that foundation in neurobiology and apply it more to global health, health policy.

Speaker 4 And then that's what brought me to do my master's in public health and specifically epidemiology. So the whole thing has been very rewarding the entire journey and I've learned so much.

Speaker 4 And neurobiology was definitely one of the most challenging majors that I could have chosen at the time at Harvard.

Speaker 4 But I have no regrets. I have no regrets, just the fact that I don't use that degree.
It's no big deal though.

Speaker 4 But the time spent on Nero was great. It was very, very interesting and fascinating.

Speaker 4 I've just switched gears a little bit.

Speaker 2 Sure. Now you mentioned your master's of public health and something that you've talked about is that you currently work in a health clinic in Austin.
Is that right?

Speaker 4 Exactly. And

Speaker 2 what type of work are you doing there?

Speaker 4 So the health clinic serves people in the Austin community who don't have access to health care otherwise, whether they don't have health insurance or they don't have easy access, like transportation or any type of, you know, doctor or health care outside of the clinic.

Speaker 4 So we provide doctors visits, we provide medication,

Speaker 4 lab work, anything that they need for their primary health care that they just otherwise wouldn't get. We even offer education seminars

Speaker 4 and I mean pretty much any dental care, vision care, you name it, the clinic offers at no cost to the patient. Everyone there, the doctors included, are volunteers

Speaker 4 with the exception of just a few people on the administrative staff who are getting paid.

Speaker 4 My role specifically is I run a hypertension committee and so this is This committee serves people who are hypertensive or pre-diabetic and making sure that they have access to medication, that they're getting their medication, and helping them with anything else that they need in their day-to-day lives.

Speaker 4 A lot of times you see issues with transportation, you see issues with accessing healthy food,

Speaker 4 even just having footwear to go for a run, go for a walk, go work out, just small things like that. But having the consistent dialogue and communication with the patients, it goes a long way.

Speaker 4 because it can be really intimidating going into a doctor's office when you don't know what you need or what to ask for, even though the doctor is going to be understanding or empathetic.

Speaker 4 So, actually maintaining a relationship with the patients to understand them holistically and know what they need has been really beneficial.

Speaker 4 And just doing it on a community level, like community-level work is so important to me because you see the impact that you're making. It's right there, it's real, and it's happening.
And

Speaker 4 it

Speaker 4 works. And I think that

Speaker 4 it really impacts the patients in a real way. And so, the work that we do at the clinic is really good.

Speaker 2 Now, that face-to-face interaction is

Speaker 2 unmatched for just being able to see the progress. Right.
Right. And

Speaker 2 when I was working full-time, I went into a high school to work as a one-to-one for students either on the spectrum or with special needs.

Speaker 2 And that sort of everyday face-to-face and seeing the progress that was made and the milestones that were hit, that those are, it is one of the most,

Speaker 2 selfishly speaking, rewarding things to see

Speaker 2 because you really feel like the work that you're doing is impactful

Speaker 2 and transformational in a way that you can, it's, it's tangible. It's there right now.
Exactly. And it's happening.

Speaker 2 So it's, it's unbelievably rewarding. The last, last thing, what does the rest of your year look like and where can we see you race?

Speaker 4 So I am doing Grand Slam Track. It's a new league that's starting in 2025 actually.
So it's an entirely new format, tournament style. It'll be really fun and exciting.

Speaker 4 I have my first race April 2nd in Kingston, Jamaica.

Speaker 4 And so you could follow along Grand Slam Track and Field. And then I will have my world championships in September in Tokyo.

Speaker 4 And then Atlos, which is our women's track league that is also about to be announced. So that'll be following our world championships.
So,

Speaker 4 lots of moving pieces in track and field this next year. So, a lot of new stuff going on.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. Well, we will make sure that we tune in.
I cannot thank you enough for joining Not Gonna Lie today. Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'm so excited to hear about not only your athletic accomplishments, but then to get to hear about the other things that you're doing to give back to your community and applying really

Speaker 2 your educational background and applying that to things that

Speaker 2 are severely impacting the community that you live in. So thank you so, so much.

Speaker 4 Thanks, Kylie. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 I can't wait to cheer you on in all of your running events coming up.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 2 As always, you'll be able to find even more exclusive clips from my conversation with Gabby on More Shit Monday on my YouTube channel. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie.

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