Ep 290: Daisy Ridley

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Welcome to the Off Menu Podcast, taking the chips of conversation, adding the cheese of humor, pouring over the gravy of friendship.

It's chips, cheese and gravy the podcast.

Oh, I thought you were doing like a poutine thing, but I guess that would be good.

Cheese curds.

Old school baby.

I'm going UK chips, cheese and gravy.

It's lunchtime on a Friday?

Lunchtime?

At school?

That's what we would do at school on a Friday.

Is it?

Is that your Friday lunch?

Yeah, we would go to the chip shop around the corner from the school and some kids would just get...

a fish and well just chips with so much vinegar on it and then they would um huff it and make themselves inhale it and then like see if they would splutter splutter and cough and stuff.

Yeah, but other kids would get chips, cheese, and gravy.

Yeah.

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I'd pack lunch.

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My name is James A.

Caster.

Together, we own a dream restaurant, and every single week, we invite in a guest to be asking their favourite ever, start May Course dessert, side dish, and drink, not in that order.

And this week, our guest is Daisy Ridley.

Daisy Ridley, a wonderful actor, of course.

Yes, amazing actor.

You will have seen her in Magpie, The Young Woman and the Sea, Star Wars.

Of course.

but soon you will be seeing her in cleaner cleaner sky original a sky original daisy stars alongside taz schuyler and clive owen it's very exciting directed by martin campbell we're going to talk more about it when daisy is in the dream restaurant yes absolutely have you seen it james yes i have seen it i'm very excited to talk about it is that true i haven't i don't it's not out yet and i and i don't get sent i mean i I might have got sent a link, but I don't know.

We should have been sent a link, Benito.

But I tell you why we've not been sent a link is because this wasn't supposed to be today

oh yeah i forgot that we were going to destroy him in the intro yeah bonito told us that this was and daisy doesn't know this and we're not going to mention this to daisy no we're professional but bonito said to us daisy ridley is coming in next friday when actually well he sent his list through he sends this filthy little list he sends a list through for every time we get a new guest booked in

bonito sends a whole list through of all the podcasts that we're doing on the dates and the times and it annoys me because

rather than just send through the new one he has to put it on his stupid filthy little pervert list i love the list the list for me you love the list i always i've always been in favor of the list is a nice reminder here's the full schedule and do you check your diary every time the list comes through no i uh

when my diary tells me

hey you're in off menu today yeah then i can go on the off menu whatsapp and because you post the list regularly now it means i'd have to scroll back very far to find the list and go what time am i in i'm in that time hang on you don't put the time of the interview in your diary.

No, because originally, Benito will just say, block out a full day.

He'll go, can you block out these days?

Yeah, but then he'll say why.

He'll say why we're blocking out a full day.

So it'll be like, no, no, no.

Daisy Ridley at 3 p.m.

No, initially, he'll just go block out these days.

But then he'll say, here's who we have on the day and the time.

That's when you put it in the diary.

So you block, regardless of what else tries to come in, you block out a whole day, even if we only have one episode.

I don't want to be doing anything else on an off-menu day.

Are you kidding me?

That's why I give so much energy to the pod.

Yeah, that's true.

You do give a lot of energy to the pod.

But this was supposed to be happening on Friday the 14th of March, was on the list, on two lists, in fact.

Two lists.

Penciled and then confirmed.

Daisy Ridley, Friday, the 14th of March.

Yeah.

It's the 7th of March today.

At noon, Benito messaged us saying, Daisy Ridley in today.

Get here for about 3 p.m.

Yeah.

You went, yep, see you then.

Yeah, because I looked at, I was like, oh, I've got it in for next week, but I must be wrong.

It must be me who's wrong.

And Benito is so wise.

He must be be right whereas i checked my diary yeah wasn't in for today had a whole lovely day planned relaxing and i checked the list friday the 14th i was right yeah benito has been strung by his own stupid list and you you brought it up and then benito was quiet for a bit it was just me and you on the group i was going oh i i actually did notice this but i wasn't confident enough and then we're like benito where are you and then we were doing a little riff that he had fainted because he had panicked and he'd fainted and that i imagined him with his head and his hands rocking back and forth yeah and then he did come back on and he was like oh fuck

oh shit oh fuck oh guys oh this is my fault i'm so sorry and he was he was very can you still do it can you still do it yeah can you still do it if you can't i'll just go with my tail between my legs i'll tell the pr that i fucked up we could still do it we're good guys i cancelled the wedding i was going to and uh it was your own one as well wasn't it my own wedding sorry baby yeah and uh ed's uh it's cancelled his day of relaxing day of relaxing happy wedding but we're okay with that because we feel very lucky to have daisy ridley on the podcast oh absolutely very excited there weren't there's not many guests i would cancel a day of relaxing for no it's not i mean if it was huge davy she wouldn't have cancelled no way now as always we have a secret ingredient and if daisy ridley picks it she will be kicked out the dream restaurant with a heavy heart with a heavy heart yes and this week the secret ingredient is rabbit rabbit daisy ridley was in the peter rabbit film as cottontails who we've chosen rabbit yes we really we try so hard with these secret ingredients to relate them to people's work.

I'm saying that if you've voiced a cartoon rabbit, surely you can't eat rabbit now.

I can't eat mice.

No, that's true.

Because you were a mouse.

Yeah, John the Mouse.

So I reckon that because Daisy played Cottontail the Rabbit, she won't pick rabbit.

You can't eat scientists.

I couldn't if I tried.

Parabiologists.

Sorry, but you loved eating parabiologists before Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

Yeah.

Couldn't get enough, but now you empathise with them.

Now I played Lars Pinfield, the parabiologist.

I cannot eat parabiologists.

Yes.

Even if I wanted to.

This is the off-menu menu of Daisy Ridley.

Welcome, Daisy, to the Dream Restaurant.

Thank you.

Welcome, Daisy Ridley, to the Dream Restaurant.

I've been expecting you for some time.

Thank you.

That was big, James.

You went for it.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, you've been saying that a lot lately.

So maybe you've got to get used to that.

That's the level I go in at.

The influx of energy.

But I feel like it's because I've been saying it to James that he now feels like, because, you know, for the listener, James now pushes himself into the back wall.

It's really soft, this back wall.

And I like how it feels when I push my head into the back of it.

So I don't mind doing that.

And I've just had my haircut.

Yeah.

Literally before coming here.

Nice.

I came here straight from getting a haircut, Daisy.

I've never done that for any other guests.

Thank you.

What do you think of the haircut?

Nice, yeah.

Yeah.

I actually thought that looks fresh yeah first time i've been to this particular hairdresser i'm not going to i i how do you feel about it i hate it don't you hate the haircut i hate it really yeah it's nice i hate it but don't you hate a haircut every time on the first day of having it when it when it looks fresh yeah i find it mortifying then people know you've had a haircut

i haven't had my haircut for a while so you know how long

back here

i shaved it off a few years ago and i did go to a barber and paid 15 pound for them to just do that wow the problem was i'd bleach my hair.

So when it was shaved, I felt quite cool because it was blonde.

And then shaved off the blonde.

And that was not cute at all.

And that took a long time to be okay.

Were you wearing a hat during that time?

Yes.

Did you have a particular go-to hat that was like, that's why when I'm...

I had,

was it that hat that I was wearing at the time?

I had a bucket hat with daisies all over it.

That I was given.

Wow.

Nice.

Just in case.

People are like,

remember you.

Yeah, I wear a train with my name on it.

Do you meet many Daisies?

I meet James's all the time, and they try and make a big deal of like, oh, I'll call James too.

It's like it's a common name.

I don't have a connection with you, mate.

But do you have that with Daisy?

I worked with an actress called Daisy Head.

Fantastic.

And I worked with an AD called Daisy Rogers.

Fantastic.

So just in the biz.

It's an industry name.

Maybe.

It's an industry name.

I'm trying to think.

I probably have somewhere else, but those are the two that have come to mind.

My agent's called Daisy.

Oh, really?

Industry name.

Shout out.

It's an industry name.

Producer of the Taskmaster podcast, Daisy.

Oh, okay.

There you go.

There we go.

Turns out it's nominative determinism, really, isn't it?

If you're called Daisy, you're going to be in the biz.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Anyone listening who's called Daisy who's not in the biz, you have let yourself down.

It's very embarrassing.

Daisy May Cooper.

Daisy May Cooper.

Oh, yeah.

We'll just do this for our nurse.

Or we could talk about Cleaner, your new film.

That you loved.

I absolutely loved it.

I thought it was so good.

Watched it, loved it.

Yeah.

Well, you know, it's my favourite moment.

I thought the whole thing i felt was like just very the tone was lovely i i love the performances

um and it made me feel very thought-provoking as well which which i guess did that come across in the script when you read it is that what drew you to it this is that was so good man yeah that was yeah that was really good yeah and you just like sky originals don't you i mainly like sky originals are the genre that i like of film yes the sky movies yes i like sky originals it um

was a natural answer to this question i really wanted to work with martin campbell yeah the great martin campbell directed two of the bonds directed some of the best movies ever so when i saw his name there i was very excited but i loved the script its proper great action movie and the relationship that you might have been referring to um the tone of the relationship with me and my brother in the movie is really genuinely lovely.

So getting to explore that with Matt, who plays the role of Michael, who's my brother in the movie, was really lovely.

Was there a scene that, like, because you say that you really want to work with Martin, was there a scene where you were like, yeah, this is what, like, there stands out in your head, that's like, yeah, this is like a really good day at work, really fun filming this scene, and what I thought it would be like to collaborate with this guy.

It's interesting because I was re-watching his movies as we were filming, and what I was really struck by is we all know the great action set pieces that Martin does, but re-watching his movies, there's always so much humor and real resonance in the characters' relationships.

So, one of the things that

felt very fun to do in that way, a very sort of charged relationship.

I've also never sworn as much ever in a movie.

I swear so much at my boss in the film.

He is such a plonker that that I love that you didn't even swear describing him there.

You were like, I've done all my swearing.

We're just going to call him a plonker.

But he was, that was very fun.

And that's the sort of humor I think that Martin does really well in his films.

And then, honestly, falling from the ceiling.

And, you know i refer to it as my spider-woman moment yeah and putting a plastic bag over someone's head and resting them to the ground and taking them out did you do all that stuff where you're trying to trip james up no i did oh my god does that sound like you don't know that's real all that stuff happened yeah yeah all that stuff happened

i was just waiting for james to go yeah i love that bit with the ceiling and for you to go well that didn't happen in that yeah it did happen i re-watched that scene yeah and

rewound it

re-watched it yeah i was like that's that'll definitely come come up.

When you put the plastic bag over someone's head, how much rehearsal are you doing for that?

That one was actually, that was a moment where I thought, I actually don't know that I can carry on because the adrenaline was so high.

Getting used to, I mean, I'm used to stunt riggers who are incredible, but a lot of what we had been doing was, you know, pre-programmed.

So, you know, where everything's going to end up.

But the moment that I'm referring to, I had two stunt riggers holding me up.

And I'm, however, I don't know, 15 feet in the air.

So someone had to hold my toe so I wasn't swinging when I dropped.

So someone would be holding my toe to keep me still.

Then they'd run away.

We'd already be rolling.

And then they'd have to drop me.

And it was a heavy drop.

Yeah.

So I had to drop and hope I didn't hurt my ankles.

And then getting the bag over someone's head.

And then there's a sequence of things that I have to do.

That it took like 15 goes to get it right.

And my adrenaline was so high.

I was shaking so much.

So you're actually dropping from the ceiling and killing someone with a busting bag.

I mean, one of the real funny moments in the shoot was my makeup artist, Charlie, came up to me and she goes, God, can you imagine if you were on the side of the building and this was happening inside and you had to save the day?

I was like, that's literally my job.

This is going to segue into food.

Watch this.

Okay.

But we've been through this.

Don't announce a segue before you do the segue.

Watch this.

When you're doing a scene like that, are you like, and the adrenaline's all over the place?

Are you eating anything, drinking anything to get yourself going?

Get yourself, get yourself up.

up, get your energy levels up.

A good segue, stop tapping, Mickey.

Well, I, um, for the first time ever, I, I ordered meals for this shoot because I knew it would be incredibly taxing physically.

So I had a structured meal plan, which was very good.

And so I'm making sure I had what I needed.

But we actually had our four o'clock hot chocolate club,

which was really nice.

We had an amazing barista carlo on set.

It was actually a very nice day.

a way to break up the day because often on a with this we were in the same location for a lot of it and it's nice to just have a little afternoon moment yeah so a hot chocolate in the afternoon who's in the hot chocolate club yeah it was me um tams in hair makeup designer charlie simon the writer and then various people would sort of come in and out but we were the i called us the fireside crew because we had a heater it was very cold in the studio clive owen not in the hot chocolate club um he could have been it wasn't that he wasn't invited but he wasn't there for the door was open yeah the door was open yeah yeah but i can't imagine can't imagine clive owen in the hot in the fireside crew Yeah, fireside crew in the future.

Imagine Clive Owen drinking a hot chocolate on his own.

Imagine that.

What?

What?

Can't imagine that man drinking the hot chocolate.

Yes.

No way.

What do you imagine him drinking?

I can't imagine him smiling.

Oh my God.

But also, you will know that I've done a film with Clive before.

Yeah, I do.

What was the name of it again?

Huh?

What was the name of it again?

Postal pre-production.

Postal.

The release.

What was the release of the film called?

Big Bird.

Big Bird?

Yeah.

Big.

It's a Sesame Street Universe movie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a Sesame Street movie.

It is.

It's a Big Bird Origin story.

Also, just to be clear, Clive is fantastic.

He wasn't in that much, which is why he wasn't in the Fly Side crew.

I think he's fantastic.

And I think he's...

I bet he's got a sense of humor to laugh, but I can't imagine him drinking a hot chocolate.

If anyone can imagine Clive Owen drinking a hot chocolate, then they should be an actor.

That's a good imagination.

A martini, maybe?

Because you imagine

that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Of course.

And that's why he got close, but no cigar.

We always start with still a sparkling water, Daisy.

Do you have a preference?

Still, please.

Very, very to the point.

I struggle to understand sparkling water.

You struggle to understand it.

You can't even conceive of it.

Like, I have a few sips, but it's one of those things that when people are just having glass after glass, I think, oh, it's just like a, it's not for me.

No.

Yeah, that many glasses is kind of crazy.

I think if you're having more than one glass of sparkling water, then that is quite psychotic.

Oh, glug it.

Yeah, that's so strange.

Point made.

If it's mixed with something, like I'm a big fan of a physiat elderflower.

So if you've got elderflower cordial in there, chug away, but not by itself.

Chug away at the elderflower cordial.

What is it about?

Because

I've never been able to get on with elderflower cordial.

Really?

But I would say my mum, my sister, my partner, all huge fans.

So I clearly...

You're trying to make this a gender thing.

Oh, dear.

Oh, no, I've done it.

I didn't even realize.

Yeah, what you're saying there is making it a gender thing.

You ladies love elderflower.

That's what you're talking about.

Why do the ladies love elderflower?

I don't know why the ladies plural do, but I love it.

Yeah, I gave up fizzy drinks years ago for Lent, so I never really went back to the big brands.

I don't know if you're allowed to say them on here, the Cokes and what have you.

Yeah.

But for whatever reason, because my mum likes Elderflower, so I think I, you know, I took it from her.

I don't know.

Maybe it is a gender.

Any fellas who like elderflower, tweet the podcast.

Tweet.

Huh?

Tweet is so outdated.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Don't do that.

Any fellas who like elderflower?

I'll have an elderflower.

I like an elderflower.

Yeah.

With fizzy water?

Cancel the water.

Cancel the tweets.

It's been disproven already.

What else have you given up for Lent in the past?

I think I tried to give up chocolate.

That didn't happen.

Glad to hear that.

That was the only thing Fizzy drinks.

And I really stuck to it.

That's the only one that's got completely.

You did it.

Did it.

I I remember talking to my gran at the time and I said, oh, do you give up anything?

And she was a Christian.

Yeah.

And she said, you get to my age and you don't need to give anything up.

She said, I have my pleasures and that's what I like, you know?

Yeah.

And I thought that was quite lovely.

I think if my gran said to me, I have my pleasures.

I know the way I said it.

Oh, my God.

I would say that.

She didn't say it like that.

I really apologise.

That's because it in you for length, man.

For never coming here again.

You mentioned your pleasures again.

Oh, my God.

gosh.

Oh dear.

No, but that's nice.

Once you get to that age, it's like, no way.

Yeah.

Why would I do that?

Why would I sort of weirdly punish myself?

Yeah.

And then actually, someone said something about taking up something.

It's quite a lovely thing to do.

Smoking.

I didn't do that.

That's anti-Jesus, isn't it?

Yeah, he wasn't taking up anything for

the desert.

Is that what it was?

I don't know.

Is it in the desert?

I think it's like he goes in the desert, doesn't he?

He's in the desert for ages and then he comes out on pancake day or something.

Pancake Day was this week.

Pancake Day's been.

Yeah.

So Pancake Day kicks off Lent.

So Pancake Day.

He had to have pancakes before he went to the desert to give him enough energy.

Pancake Dave cleared out all of the cupboards of people who were about to embark on Lent.

I do know that.

So he had a pancake went into the desert and didn't have any fizzy drinks while he was there.

Correct.

Oh my God.

Certainly not elderflower.

Then at the end, he went, I have my pleasures.

He said to one of the people writing the Bible, write this down.

Yeah.

I have my pleasures.

I have my pleasures.

I could have...

I would have done about that.

Write that

in the Bible.

The guy following him around writing the Bible.

Yeah.

There was a few of them, weren't there?

Four of them at least.

The main guys.

Yeah.

Writing a lot of it.

Yeah.

Has your grandmother ever told you this stuff?

She must have.

Oh, my God.

I'm still mortified at how I expressed my grandmother's sentiments.

Yes.

But you made her sound like a person.

Oh, God.

Yes.

But please don't ask us to edit it out though, because it was funny.

And you come across five.

It's an understandable mistake to make.

That's my point.

Poplums or bread.

Pop-lums or bread.

Pop-lums or bread.

Bread.

Well, I suppose it's a case-by-case thing.

If I'm in an Indian restaurant, of course, I would take a pop-a-dom.

But for the most part, I would take bread.

Yeah.

But we're not in an Indian restaurant for your dream meal.

No, no.

Do you have a look of a restaurant for your dream meal?

Like, what atmosphere do you want to be dining in?

so i have actually spoken about my mother's dining table before but to me that encompasses love

and shared food

um so it would probably look a little something like that where there's too many people for the table there are too many chairs obviously you want the dream restaurant to be comfortable but that to me is the epitome of sharing in something when there's not quite enough room you know so just a cozy space Do people talk about table shape often?

Not enough.

Not enough, I'd say, yeah.

Because

the difficulty is if you're with a lot of people on a circular table you can't speak to the person opposite you

um so i feel like a rectangular table is nice because then you're you've got the person to the left or right of you and the person opposite but then you can't speak to the person down the other way so i suppose it would be a change each course situation change the table shape or change the change of seats we could i mean we could change the table shape it's the you know It's the dream restaurant, so it can be a constantly evolving table.

Yeah, I'd say a rectangular, long table, and people change seats every time.

Okay, nice.

Yeah.

But it has to be be a proper shuffle around, not just like move one.

Yeah, unless you're in the middle of a really good conversation, then you wouldn't want to move.

How do you feel about situations like a dinner party or something, though, or a wedding where you're deliberately sat next to someone that you don't know?

I'm not a huge fan of that.

No.

I just feel like it can be uncomfortable.

Although I went to my friend's wedding last year and I actually ended up knowing someone that was there

not accidentally because it wasn't accidental, but I was like, oh, okay.

But

the earlier part of the wedding, everybody went to the pub.

So there was the ceremony.

Then we went to the pub, then we went back.

And I told myself to be brave.

And I walked up to a group of people and said, hello, I'm alone here.

Can I chat to you?

And they were so lovely.

So it was a good lesson in overcoming that real intense awkwardness I would usually feel.

How much of it was they were lovely and you went up and said, hello, I'm alone.

Let's talk.

Can I talk to you?

And how much of it was, it's Daisy Ridley?

No, it wasn't that.

it wasn't that because later on, they went, Oh my god, right, okay, that's good.

That's the best, that's the best case scenario.

They were faking that

Daisy, we haven't known you very long, but you're a gullible bastard.

Oh my god, no, they were faking it, they had a few drinks to them later on.

Then they go, Oh my god, no, everyone had had a few, anyone had had a few, but I have to say, it was, I mean, shout out Lois and Kieran, it was one of the most joyful wedding sort of parties.

Everyone was so lovely, and everyone really spoke to each other that's impressive that they were there's normally a rogue person at a wedding no no yeah i did go to three other weddings last summer there were no rogue people anywhere actually what kind of bread we talking i mean probably a sourdough because that's what tends to be in a restaurant but fresh out of the oven real warm yeah and i'm a vegan so i'm not taking butter but i will take a delicious olive oil and balsamic dip and with a sprinkle of salt how much salt are you putting on because I put on the amount of salt when I'm in public that I feel like is socially acceptable.

But if I was by myself, it's going to be about four times the amount.

I don't know that my salt depends on beer pressure.

I feel like

it's just standard sprinkle.

Okay.

Yeah.

Your dream starter.

Okay, so this is the one that I think I actually, well, I have two options here.

So one is there's a vegan restaurant in LA called Crossroads that is so tasty and they do impossible cigars.

So yeah, it's it's like phyllo pastry with impossible meat inside and it's rolled up and they do like an almond dip and it is just so fucking nice.

But there's also a restaurant in Liverpool and I wish I could remember the name, but it's an Italian restaurant down a tiny little alleyway.

that my husband was doing a TV show there and we were recommended it.

And they had this dish that was butter beans in a creamy sauce the non-vegans had Parmesan on.

I did not, with truffle.

And it was mind-blowingly delicious with a delicious crusty bit of bread to dip into it too.

That sounds great.

Are you doing research, Benito?

You're trying to find the name of this place?

I actually tried to find it because we went back there.

It's off, if the bombed out church is here and you walk up the road before you take the right onto Hope Street, it's in there.

And I remember this because the hotel's called Hope Street Hotel.

Yeah, it's in there somewhere.

So it's really close to the Hope Street Hotel and the Bombed Out Cathedral.

While Benito's trying to search for it.

Are you too young to remember Blazing Squad?

No, I'm not too young.

I love Blazing Squad.

Are you capable of going to crossroads and not thinking about them?

See you at the crossroads.

Start crying.

Love Blazing Squad.

Who is your favorite member of Blazing Squad?

How many members were there?

A lot.

There were around.

There were a lot.

And I feel like there were like four or five main ones.

And then what they'd done quite nicely is they just got a load of their mates to be like, they're in the band as well, even though they didn't do anything.

They just gave them names.

Yeah.

I think Kenzie was sort of the lead guy, right?

I didn't know you were such a what can ficionado kenzie from blazing squad i know there was one called strider oh there was strider yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and then i'm struggling really i remember kenzie and strider it was like so solo crew all those amazing big bands yeah yeah great but the same with so solo crew i don't think we heard from a lot of them

a lot asherdie of course but i mean just like when they were so solid crew yeah yeah yeah yeah there was a lot of people who were clearly on admin roles well also i saw an interview with uh who was it and they said 21 seconds came from the fact everyone was allowed 21 seconds to have their piece from the band.

Yeah, yeah.

How great.

What's really good?

It's a dramatic way of showcasing.

On that song.

Yeah.

21 seconds each.

They all had 21 second verses, yeah.

We should have that all on the podcast, me and you.

21 seconds each.

Yeah,

at a time, not throughout the whole pod.

But like, Benito should start a stopwatch every time we start talking.

And then we've got to stop by 21 seconds.

How do you think that?

How do you think that experience would be for you, Daisy, if the hosts spoke for 21 seconds each?

Why don't we see?

yeah yeah let's find out yeah i'll get stop watch up it's quite similar to something that happens on one of benito's other podcasts is it what happens on one of his other podcasts on it listen perfect brains they do the conch which is this idea basically is it yeah yeah forget it

so you've got to choose between these two dishes okay in in speaking about them i'd say the um the the bean dish i think the bean dish you're really into that bean dish yeah yeah oh so good the fact you listed exactly basically the coordinates of the of the restaurant.

Yeah, I feel like.

And then actually, there was another time I was really torn because there's also a great vegan restaurant called Down the Hatch in Liverpool.

But I wanted the beans so much that we went there for starters and then went to Down the Hatch for a main and a dessert.

So you can do a vegan crawl around Liverpool.

Yeah.

They got some good options.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But Down the Hatch.

Yeah.

I feel like in most cities, there's one amazing vegan restaurant.

There was one in Sheffield.

I can't remember the name.

But there's always one really good one.

Bean dish sounds like one word to me.

Bean dish.

Bendish.

Yeah.

Every time you he kept saying it.

Like fiendish.

Like fiendish.

Fiendish.

Yeah, yeah.

I just thought it was a nice, nice name for the fiendish bean dish.

The Halloween dish.

Yeah.

That was when Jesus went into the swamp and he came out and he scared a lot of kids.

Very Christian festival Halloween, isn't it?

Yeah.

Very Christian.

Do you do Halloween?

I want to be someone that does Halloween.

And I end up not really.

The last time I actually did Halloween, I was in LA and went to someone's house and it was amazing.

The neighborhood was was amazing but i had very quickly got a costume together you know in um mean girls when she turns up in the that it was like that everyone else was so put together and there was me i didn't have fake teeth in but sort of greyish makeup i didn't even have everything was just off yeah and i felt really embarrassed and i wish i hadn't dressed up at all what were you dressed up as um i had found this

i had found this dress in a vintage shot and it was so itchy too it was horrible so i was um a dead i don't know something yeah yeah yeah so you hadn't thought about what you were i've i mean i've done those halloweens before as well you're just like well i'm yeah i'm done and i wanted to take part yeah

you should have said that to everyone yeah just walk in and go guys i want to take part just want to let you know i'm a dead something yeah i'm here yeah yeah

you must have had people dressed up as you for halloween

yes yes i've never seen anyone in real life do it never but i've seen pictures yeah so we go with the bean dish

shout out to crossroads shout out to crossroads is that in in la yeah oh did it be yeah yeah so tasty oh there you go so there you go

already on the on the pod that's why i'm adding this yeah which makes me think i probably asked the blazing squad question before maybe

hearing crossroads back then ed and not saying but the blazer squad thing when sam carter was on the podcast very early on in the life of this podcast and he picked he picked the cigars

you must have done the crossroads stuff i must have yeah i apologize that's okay because they are you know i i have no memory of this but clearly i've repeated we can see how close the riff was to identical and what you brought to it.

I bet you can lay the riffs over the top of each other and you just say the exact same thing.

Yeah.

I'm just saying the same thing thinking

this is off the top of my head.

This is great.

Your dream main course.

So this is the one I'm that's very difficult for me.

So for me, I feel like in trying to think about,

I go to similar restaurants.

I often try things, but I try to be trying other things.

But, you know, they're my favorites that I come back to.

But I think food for me is so emotional and home signifying that part of me feels like, honestly, sausage and mash with bisto gravy and peas.

That's one.

And I'm a vegan now, but my gran used to make a casserole with boiled potatoes and peas.

So that is also another.

Is that is that the pleasures gram

yeah i was gonna say the christian gram but fair enough that my um was the casserole one of her pleasures i think

oh my god sorry mum um and my mum now does it but now i obviously don't eat it but in terms of emotion and home that's it and then you're looking at an honest burger

the classic vegan bacon but i know that's not really But those are the things.

Why aren't you thinking the burgers?

Well, because I feel like people, you know, talk about incredibly luxurious things.

Not really.

Sometimes they do.

You've got to go with what you feel.

What you genuinely want to eat.

Yeah.

Unlike a,

not that as I was saying, I haven't worked in a little while, but at the end of a work week, what I would love to do is sit down with either a burger or a sausage mash, probably.

Then I think that's what you've got to go for.

If it's your dream meal, if you're putting together

literally what you want, here we go.

How about this, Daisy?

What?

Go on.

You get the burger.

Yeah.

But we get the burger.

We get it.

We put it.

We get it.

Well, this is what we're going to do.

Okay.

We put it on a plate.

What if we did this?

And then we build the mash around it with the sausages in it.

And so you have the sausage and mash, and then inside, you've got your burger there.

That sounds horrible.

Yeah, that sounds so gross.

What if we put the burger in a bell jar?

And then the mash over the.

Yeah.

I think that sounds worse.

Imagine making

it off of that.

Yeah, but you've got to get.

The mash will be stuck to the bell jar, right?

Yeah.

But for sure, it always has to be bisto gravy.

I know the gravy purists will say no, but for me, the bisto gravy out of the red button.

Yeah, yeah.

The bomb.

Nostalgic.

Yeah.

But then I also do love a roast dinner.

Bisto, surely making an appearance there as well.

Yeah.

And I do also, yeah, I cook meat, although I don't eat it.

So that is usually involved in the roast, but maybe it would be roast potatoes with...

sausages.

Oh, damn.

Oh, I don't know.

There's a lot going on.

Also, I think by virtue of being away a lot for work, it is just about home.

Yeah.

So it's funny because even the idea of a restaurant, I picture everything in a home with everyone

sat around the table.

Yeah.

Which, by the way, loads of people sat around the table, too many people, and everyone's reaching in and sharing is my nightmare.

Is it?

Well, I don't like the reaching and someone's getting burnt and whatever.

Like if there was a way that the food appeared on everyone's plate at the same time,

perfect.

And there were enough gravy jugs that it's not running out by the time it gets to the other end.

Because if you're at the wrong end and you can see the gravy going around, and it's getting less and less so anxious yeah yeah yeah and even if someone says like your mum or whatever oh well there's more gravy in the kitchen don't worry about it you're like well

bring it in now yeah bring it in now and let's start it down this end i eat quite quickly so me and my mum cooked for my mum's friend last week for her birthday and then i was sort of wedged in so i wanted to go and get more and i couldn't get out and that was quite stressful how much were you wedged in there wasn't much room well there were two people aside of me but it you know there were too many people yeah yeah that's far too many people if you're wedged in you can't even get up even you did the toilet well i mean i mean it's people just passing the food to you and you're just like yeah so then eventually i was passing more and then and then i left and sort of stayed down the other end so i was free

it's when it stood in the corner yeah standard standing up holding your plate

yeah just facing the wall like blank asking for more yeah

that's nice you and your mum making something for a friend yeah i i was only meant to do

what was i doing oh i was doing jewelled rice for it so i was only meant to be doing the jewelled rice and then ended up doing what's that one?

What's that?

Well, I had been to New York a couple of weeks before.

Yeah.

And I went for dinner with my publicist in this delicious restaurant.

Again, wish I could tell you the name.

Can't.

Where is it exactly?

It's

just east of the Largo.

Yeah, it was a 15-minute drive from the hotel I was staying in.

Anyway, she wasn't into it from outside.

It wasn't giving what I think the restaurant was actually giving.

And we went in and it was a Super Bowl day, so it was quite empty.

So you never can tell, you know, if a restaurants were empty.

But they did this.

I think in America, they do fried Brussels sprouts so well.

On like every menu, as well.

Every menu.

Yeah, yeah.

So, they had done amazing sprouts, and then they did this jeweled rice that was just perfect.

And it had all of the fruit and everything in it, but then it had crispy onions on top.

There's fruit in this rice.

That's the jewels, baby.

That's the jewels.

What fruit?

Bananas?

Well, the one I made was slightly different, so it was not bananas.

Um, dried apricots, dried cranberries, pomegranates, almonds, pomegranate, big one, uh, various various other things oh nice yeah it's delicious

what do you think the jewels were uh hmm i don't know really uh i guess like something nice and sparkly like in the rice yeah yeah

uh a bell jar yeah well that would be good wouldn't it's around a bell jar

They have some jewels under the bell jar.

So once you've finished all the rice, you get a nice load of jewels to take home with you.

That would be the opposite of you saying, I don't want anything too fancy, you're saying, actually, I do want a pile of rice with some jewels.

Yes, please.

Are you leaning towards any of these options?

You've got three options here.

Bistow makes a play in all of them, I think.

Not in the burger.

Although we're not.

Well, we can chat about that.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

You wouldn't pour Bisto on a burger?

No.

If I went for a chip shop chip, which sometimes, yeah, I would never order gravy, but I would occasionally use gravy to dip my chips in.

I mean, really, I'm thinking about sausage and mash.

Yeah.

And peas.

And are we going back to a time before you were vegan?

No, no.

So this is a this isn't the this isn't sausages.

That's the brand name.

This isn't.

Yeah, yes.

This isn't sausages.

It's the brand name.

The brand name is this isn't.

Yeah.

And these are the this isn't sausages.

It's wordy, ain't it?

Yeah.

Not so much.

It's just this isn't.

This isn't.

This isn't.

They do all sorts, but the sausages are very good.

This isn't sausages.

This isn't sausages.

And I will use a vegan butter in the mash.

Of course.

What's vegan butter like?

Has it been a successful recreation of butter do you think i haven't had it in i haven't had butter in so long that to me it's delicious but so it tastes like normal butter to me to you taste the butter yeah i've had that stuff i had it with uh with cocoa i just gave up all caffeine just like you were saying actually did you just say you had butter with cocoa yes

you would do that i had butter with cocoa

i do always do that i'm gonna give it up for lent because i i've had too much butter and cocoa

no i gave up caffeine and then i didn't have caffeine for ages and so i didn't have coke's And then I started drinking Diet Coke, and it just tasted like normal Coke.

Oh, I can't get on board with the diets.

I don't do them anymore because I've given up caffeine again, which are you going to have?

I think you're leaning towards the sausage.

Are you settled on the sausage?

Yeah, I'd say sausages and mash, yeah.

Sausage and mash.

How many this-isn't sausages are you having within a standard portion of Daisy's sausage and mash?

I'd say I'll probably put three on my plate and come back from a fourth.

Yeah.

Put back for a fourth, yeah.

You can't go four on the plate for the first helping.

No, and I feel like I try to be, because I often do myself quite a big portion, I'm trying to be a bit daintier, you know?

So I'm trying to do something and go, oh, I'll just have a bit more.

Yeah, yeah.

Because I feel like that's quite civilized.

Even if you end up having eaten the same amount of money.

No, I would eat exactly the same amount, but I feel it's quite civilized to go for seconds.

So it's not going to look like the Bino sausage and mash.

No.

That's great, though.

Yeah.

That beano, sausage, and mash.

I wish I.

I don't like the sausages sticking out of the mash.

I do.

You do?

Yeah.

But then how you're going to have to take them out of the mash to cut them anyway, right?

That's so true.

Looks great.

Looks great.

It looks great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

First bite's with the eye.

Would you agree, Daisy?

First bite is with the eye for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because that's the thing, too.

Sometimes if people put too much on my plate, I feel it's overwhelming my senses.

And actually, I'd rather it look eatable.

I like going back for seconds as well.

Even when I get a takeaway and me and my wife disagree on this, she'd rather put everything on the plate

in the kitchen than take it through and eat it all on the plate.

But I go starters.

Oh, I don't do that.

On a plate, then I'm like, I ate those quickly.

Yeah.

And then we have to pause the telly again because I'm straight back up again.

No, we do a lot of pausing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Guess who's side I'm on in this?

Yeah.

No, I would put everything on the plate, but I feel like if you're getting a takeaway, I would have a little quick nibble before you've sat down for the starter.

Oh, yeah, you've got to have a quick nibble

walking to wherever you're sitting.

Yeah.

But yeah, I'm just taking the starters through.

Fuck it up.

What's the problem with that?

It's crazy.

So if you order a curry and you get some samosas, onion, bargi, whatever.

All on the plate.

All on the plate with the curry.

All on the plate, all on the table or somewhere that's near the TV.

So I'm not having to pause it.

I'm not eating at the table.

Especially if the other person's doing all on the plate.

I'm not going to just go, just starters, have those, pause the thing you're watching, go away, load up your plate.

But that goes for her, doesn't it?

She should then go, well, you're doing this.

I'll join in with that.

No.

Two wastes.

Because yours makes less sense.

Two ways to...

What?

Having starters?

If you're in a restaurant,

which are not.

But it makes more sense.

If you ordered the barge, you'd just you'd get those first, wouldn't you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but then I still, I still feel like I like them.

I like a few, and then I still like them to be there when I'm having my main, yeah, dipping it out.

You know, that's the that's the like advantage of doing it at home is that you don't have to do it one by one.

You can mix the mains and the starts, like Daisy says.

It's not an advantage.

Interestingly, I did actually go to one of the restaurants that had been recommended on this very podcast.

Did you?

And it was very good.

Yeah.

By us, I won't name which.

By us or the guest?

You can name which.

Apparently

it had been named a couple times.

But

what's sort of funny about the whole thing is I wasn't supposed to go to this dinner.

There's a group of people that go for dinner often and one of the people invited me and another person and we went and that person didn't go.

So we had a really nice time, but I already felt slightly surplus to requirements.

Also, shout out because one of those people listens to this.

Lovely Nick.

But it was, yeah, they said, oh, this restaurant had been recommended a number of times.

So we went and it was.

And they didn't like it either.

No, it wasn't good.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Gone.

Or what was it?

Bleed it out.

No, genuinely, I don't know what it is.

But also, because I've looked on Google, because I really judge restaurants by Google reviews.

And the Google reviews were so low, like below four.

3.7, I think.

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Your dream side dish.

Do you know, I was thinking about this because I was going to say if I didn't have the impossible cigars for a starter, maybe I'd do those for a side.

But actually, maybe i'd do brussels sprouts because peas are in included already right that is my main dish i mean the mash yeah sure yeah yeah

so you've got part of my thing three sausages and then one in one in the kitchen yeah and i've got mashed potato and i've got peas on the plate and i've got yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so i can have another side dish yeah yeah yeah that's all that's all one dish yeah yeah yeah i'd say um brussels but I also have started doing these carrots very recently that are a maple miso garlicky oh yeah uh carrot.

You put them on the hob for a little bit, put them in the oven.

So good.

So maybe those two.

I feel like we can let you have both of those.

Yeah.

Like it's, you know, one of those dishes that's like split in the middle and then you can put two different things in.

Nice.

How are these Brussels prepared?

Well, I just don't know how they make them so good because whenever I try to do them at home, they just don't work.

So presumably there is a deep fried process somewhere.

Right.

But always cut in half, always crispy around the edges.

Quite simple.

Garlicky, oily.

I feel like roasting them is just as good, to be honest.

But sometimes roasting makes them soft.

And these are particularly crisp.

Yes.

I think leaving the outer leaves on is important as well.

When I've roasted them, you leave those outer leaves on that you would normally take off.

You go, that's disgusting.

Yeah.

Leave those bad boys on.

They're crisping up.

You guys really know the stuff about vegetables.

I don't know to do any of this.

All of this is like news to me.

I'm learning.

You've been saying that for five years, man.

Yeah.

I learned learned a lot.

I mean, it's pretty impressive.

We've been doing the podcast for seven.

So

that's quite clear.

Yeah, you refused to learn for the first two.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't learn anything.

Now look at you.

All the research, watching all the films and people coming on.

Multiple times.

Multiple times.

Rewinding your favourite bits.

Yeah, yeah.

Cleaner.

Out now.

Not out now.

Out in a few days.

It's not out now, James.

It's in my house.

I've got center.

You do a lot of cooking?

Yes, I would say so.

Yes.

You're saying you're cooking meat at home, but you're not eating meat.

Yes, so I cook meat for my husband.

Well, the other day, I cooked one omelette for my husband, one omelette for my mum.

What did I cook for myself?

And I was like, wow, I'm literally preparing three different

meals for breakfast.

Yes, so I cook all sorts.

But yeah, I think cook quite a lot.

My mum's a veggie.

So, and does like most of the cooking at home.

So now my dad's just a veggie.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Why's your husband demanding meat?

It was funny.

For a long time in lockdown, there was no meat cooking.

I'm very unjudgmental.

Like people do what they want to do.

It's really, it's my choice.

It really does not affect anybody else.

But it's quite funny because apparently I cook meat really well.

But the only way I can judge it is by the people's faces who are eating.

And there is a real lovely satisfaction in watching people enjoy something that you really actually can't enjoy.

That's man, isn't it?

That as a vegan, you've been blessed with the skill of

cooking meat so well.

Yeah.

That's a film.

That's a film.

Come on.

That's a big one.

let's take this to the big guys

who are they come on you know the big guys

you must have met the big guys a couple of them how well how

much more detail do you think we'd need before we went to the big guys than

the lead the lead character in our mind played by daisy ridley yeah she's a vegan but she's been cursed with the skill of cooking meat really well

blessed or blessed depending on how you look at it that's the that's the perpetuity of

the audience to ask.

Yes.

Is it a curse or a blessing?

Yeah.

And we can say you're attached.

Sure.

Yeah, yeah.

Thank you.

Let's go to the big guys tomorrow.

Yeah.

How long do you think we'd last in the big guy room?

I don't know if I'd last in the big guy room.

You'd last in the big guy room.

Come on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're the last one they'll kick out

in the pitch.

Just get rid of us all.

Yeah, but you'll be, we'll get kicked out slightly earlier than you.

We'll be waiting for you in the next room.

They'll kick you out too?

Yeah.

Yeah.

How did it go?

Not good.

Not good.

I tried to carry on the pitch on my own, but it was mainly your guy.

You guys were the passionate ones about it.

I didn't really.

They could tell my heart wasn't in it.

Have you ever been in a meeting where at the end of the meeting, they go, well, nice to meet you.

And then as you're walking out, the person you're with, they go, could you stick around?

I've got something else I wanted to talk to you about.

Has that happened to you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Really?

Yeah, of course.

Who was that?

I think it was my manager, actually.

They were like clearly wanting to talk about one of his other clients.

Oh,

no.

Brilliant.

And it it hadn't gone well.

That's great.

But maybe it was just you.

Somebody else I want to talk to you about.

Door closest.

You should drop that for me.

That guy sucks.

What's that guy's name again?

I hate that guy.

We have respect for you before you bought that guy in here.

We're never having a meeting with you again if you don't drop that guy.

I do feel like people have become quite okay with saying things that are sort of a back-handed compliment, but the opposite.

What would you say a back-handed compliment, but the opposite is?

A front-handed...

Insult.

Yeah.

A front-handed insult.

Someone came over to me at something recently and i was with someone who was in something they really really liked so that person was getting a lot of feedback fantastic but someone came over to me and they go um i watched sometimes i think about dying which i know you loved yeah yeah yeah yeah it really comes into its own on the fifth watch

exactly and they came over and went watch that it was really interesting really really good and i thought all right why are you saying it like that like it was a it was a front-handed interesting

I hate that.

Yeah, because I think he did mean that he liked it, but also there was an element of him saying it that was, how did you do that?

You know,

you should become a comedian.

That's all we get.

Yeah.

All we get is.

How do you think that went?

I would absolutely kill for interesting.

Yeah.

They come up to you and go, all right, my girlfriend thinks you're quite funny.

I don't get it, to be honest.

I think you're shit.

Oh, yeah.

Well, people do that.

That's just your face.

Well, interestingly, in Sometimes I Think About Dying, you'll know, I am opposite a stand-up comedian.

comedian.

Yes.

He was in Rami, but this was his first foray into film and he was phenomenal.

But one of the moments was what I thought was an improvised moment.

We're walking up this hill and he has to try and make me laugh.

So he was telling me this story and I think he got a bit of a chuckle out of me.

And I went and saw him last summer.

He was here.

And I saw him do some stand-up.

And I was talking to his friend after the show.

And he had used it before.

And he said on set that it was a totally new story he'd come up with and he only got a bit of a chuckle out of you he got a little chuckle yeah that would have been that he would have felt bad for that yeah but he wasn't the one that told me his friend was his friend said oh my god when i've watched the film he used that bit on me oh yeah yeah but i mean as he's delivering it to you well by that point

you're only chuckling like

well he he knew that i

i'm not a i'm not like a huge belly laugher all the time so i think he knew that it was going to be a little tricky and the the obstacle was to make me yeah really laugh yeah yeah that's a terrifying note to get in a film isn't it make her laugh make her laugh yeah make her belly laugh walk in the hell and make a laugh what

you kidding

don't do any don't do any old material yeah

do people do that to you at weddings and things make me laugh or like at parties

such a bad vibe at a wedding no one's going to ask him to do that fair no i get a lot of hassle at a wedding yeah what came first to chicken or the egg do you think bad vibes because you know people are going to ask or no i definitely i think i was pretty good vines before it became a stand-up and people people come up to you and say whatever they want.

And now I'm like, oh, no, here comes someone I don't know.

Right.

This is going to be bad.

Right.

Whereas when I started out in stand-up, I'm a very vivid memory of like, I would be on the train hoping I meet a crazy stranger and we can connect and talk about life.

Right.

And now I'm like, I don't like that version of you.

Oh, I don't like that guy.

I don't like me at any point.

Yucky.

But now I'm just like,

I don't want to talk to any of them because I've been stung too many times when they come up.

And even if it starts good,

it's going bad at some point that's why he DJs at weddings a lot because then the idea is no one comes to talk to him yeah but then but then you get requests yes so that's backfired quite a bit

had a guy square up to me at my friend's wedding really

really angry because it wasn't playing Brian Adams right and uh it was I had no

it was in this really weird venue I had no Wi-Fi signal so I could only play the playlist that Brian and Green were giving me it was just as a favour to me right and he was thinking this fucking big shot right isn't playing He refuses to be swayed.

Right, right, right, right.

And he was hammered.

And I was just, I was having to deal with the whole thing while trying to make sure that Brian and Groom didn't see it.

Don't want to ruin their day.

Did they ever find out?

They found out afterwards when someone else said to them, fucking hell, James had a stressful night.

And then it was like...

Did they find it funny?

No, they were a bit like, we're so sorry.

I was like, you don't need to be.

Nothing to do with you guys.

I'm just glad you didn't know about

the night when I was like, wow, I'm going to get beaten up.

But I just get beaten up very quietly.

quietly because

muffle your pen.

You can't have it.

Mate, if you're going to kick my head in, can we get under the decks?

And then you take me up there.

I'll hold a cushion at my stomach.

You punch me through the stomach.

Yeah, yeah.

Your dream drink.

Oh, my dream drink.

You know what I go for?

A lychee martini.

Oh, lovely.

Yeah.

But quite a sweet one.

not too happy have our answer to who's playing bond

just a sweet lychee martini

quite sweet

no i went to because i i am a fan of a lychee martini occasionally and then i went to

um i'm not going to fucking remember the name of it of course not i went to somewhere very fancy in la for a drink with my team and i asked for a lychee martini and it was so strong i took one sip and i don't drink very much i was off my totatas

It was intense.

So I would really err on the sweet, not too alcoholic side.

Drinks are strong in America.

So strong.

I mean, it was a martini with a touch of, you know.

But any drinks are just like, they're just free-pouring and then putting a tiny bit of mixture in.

Yeah.

I love it.

Yeah.

I take that over the sweet ones, but I get it.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Is there a lychee popped in there?

Yeah, yeah, always.

Bobbing around, bobbing around.

Yeah, and then I'd go for a, because I'm allergic to wine, so I don't go for a wine, but I'd always go for a dessert wine because for whatever reason, I think the sugar content cancels out the.

What are you allergic to in the wine?

Basically, the last time I had wine, I was so, so, so sick out of a cab, but I hadn't drunk that much that the only answer was I'm allergic to wine because it had happened previously at a charitable dinner.

So

sick, so sick.

And then weirdly, like a hangover the next day, but an emotional one for a number of days.

Yeah.

It was horrible.

But I think higher sugar content and things sort of cancels that out.

So dessert wine I'm okay with.

Will there be, yeah, I guess slightly lower alcohol as well.

But yeah, what is there a particular dessert wine that you're into?

I mean, tockeye, God, I've actually remembered something.

A tokey or a Sautern or the Elysium.

Oh, no, I don't know.

It's a little screw-toe.

It's delicious.

If you were Bond.

Yeah.

I mean, I assume you'd say yes if they offered it to you.

This is so funny.

Sure.

Yeah.

I am Bond.

surprise surprise yeah that question would you say yes if they offered it to you is absolutely and i know you mean it like this but that is the most clickbait journalist question you could possibly ask is it yeah would you say yes to bond if they offered it to you of me

daisy ridley says that she would love to be bond

oh exclusive i wasn't trying to get you exclusive from the podcast yeah i am bond yeah yeah yeah would would you do it would you want to make some little alterations to it have a lygy martini maybe change some of the catchphrases you know do things differently you're saying that we couldn't have a lady bond who has a normal martini

elderflower martini

sparkling elderflower yeah you could say elderflower martini for the ladies

have you ever seen operation mints me yes oh it's fantastic you know they have the running gag with him trying to sell James Bond.

Yes.

Oh, it's so good.

Excellent show.

It's a very, very good show.

Yeah.

I've actually been a number of times.

You haven't seen it?

Huh?

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Even that.

I'll watch it most nights.

This troupe of friends.

It's just one of those amazing stories.

My management produced it.

Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah.

That's what the person I wanted to talk to is Agent Blonde.

He gave me tickets.

The website crashed.

I'd really love to get tickets off of a short mince meat.

Tell Gumble he can come.

I'd love it to be called.

Frank Gumble.

Friend Gumble.

Okay, well,

now that you've made it, that...

I'm changing bond because of the gender thing.

We

can't do that anymore.

What do you mean?

Well, I won't have fun with the Lychee Martini martini thing build a new bond yeah well we can do that no i can't any other would you would you change the catchphrases or would you change the why because she's a lady

doesn't know it doesn't work as much as you going would you have a martini or would you have a lychee martini a sweet

colour

yeah

um would you change the catchphrases daisy oh my goodness this is so ridiculous

you don't have to answer if you think it's going to become clickbait i'm worried about that now

i think that there was the conversation previous previous about Jesus in the desert.

I feel like that's more that's on us.

Yeah,

that's on us.

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Oh my god.

Would you play Jesus?

Okay, you've got three options.

You can play either Jesus.

They're all filming at the same time.

Yeah.

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Dream dessert.

Okay.

So this is nice because we've got a drink that sort of takes you from the mains through to the

sweetness of the lychee martini.

Shake and stuff.

Again, I've got a couple options.

One of which, I think this is the one I'll probably go with.

So my mum used to make us hedgehog cakes when we were little for our birthdays.

So the look of that to me is wonderful.

You said, oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Like you've had a hedgehog.

Yeah.

Like with matchmakers stuck in it.

Yeah, all the

brilliant.

So is it like it just looks like a hedgehog?

It just looks like a hedgehog and then what so it's matchmaker yeah matchmakers are other spikes yeah it can be there's other

things for eyes or chocolate fingers yeah yeah yeah i've seen i've seen people do it with just milk buttons or even just do it by like manipulating the icing in a way that it looks like spikes i've seen people do that yeah that feels like a ripoff that i can't do that people that can well done but we always went for the matchmaker sort of stick so you can get an extra thing as well right you don't yeah exactly different texture yeah um so the look of that but recently her friend and i actually said to my mum how would you feel about me saying this?

Because it's her friend, not something she made.

But her friend makes this Nigella cake.

It's a lemon polenta cake that is so tasty.

And then she did a lemon curd ice cream, all vegan

on the side, and it was really, really tasty.

So that's sort of what has been present in my mind as I've been thinking about this.

I love like any polenta cake.

So good.

It's so good.

It's so moist.

Is it made with olive oil as well?

Yes, without olive oil.

Yeah, Yeah, I think I've had that exactly.

So crumbly.

Oh, so, so tasty.

So I feel like that's sort of what I'm...

That's what I'm being drawn to.

So lemon curd ice cream, like, is it just a taste of lemon curd or is it?

Oh, it's so tasty.

It's just creamy and lemony and enough tanginess but sweetness.

Do you have a favourite vegan ice cream, like a brand that you look out for?

If you ever.

I had a vegan magnum the other day.

Very tasty.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I had made,

I didn't make it.

Actually, my husband made it.

He had made dinner for two of of my friends.

And we would think about dessert.

And I thought, what can we do that's easy?

And I thought, Magnums, actually.

Hang on.

So he cooked the maid.

Yeah, I don't know why I was trying to take the crew.

Were you in charge of dessert?

Yeah.

And I had been a busy day.

You went shop.

We went shop.

Yeah, yeah.

And I thought, scooping of the ice cream, sometimes you're waiting for it to defrost, all of that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A Magnum, there's something quite nice about that.

It's definitely the lowest effort dessert you've ever had.

Oh, 100%.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But

I tend to bring like a lemon drizzle cake to a situation so they know i do bake you've you've established your credentials already yeah so they know you do do that stuff

yeah yeah yeah no honestly one of my um one of my sort of sad moments was i did um stand up to cancer bake off

and i'm actually quite a good baker and i did so horribly on the show that it was sort of a running joke with my friends and family that i can't bake but i can but then you don't want to look like a brat going usually i'm really good and it's for charity and all of those things.

But the pressure in the tent.

The whole thing is a stitch up.

The whole thing is like that, it's not fair the way it's done.

So it makes it

very capacious.

Looks very fair.

They did leave it a long time.

So some of the others things hadn't set, but by the time they came to taste them, they had set.

Who were you on with?

I was on with Rob Beckett.

A cheat.

Oh, my God.

Alexandra Burke.

Tom Allen.

There you go.

Oh, it was such a fun episode.

It was lovely.

Tom and Rob went to school together.

Oh, it was fantastic.

The two of them together were great.

Yeah.

Well, then maybe that was was it.

You were just, you know.

Well, they had all practiced a lot.

Yeah.

No,

I didn't practice.

He did.

He did.

His things looked so professional.

That's true.

Yeah.

And I, yeah, I was just really, I thought, God, I'm good.

And I had actually made jam and I took jam.

I was not giving any credit for the jam.

It was so long ago.

I should let it go.

You're right.

No.

Looking down the cameras, it's all going wrong and saying, I'm so good.

Is really.

I literally started by saying, I'm either going to win or lose horribly.

Yeah.

And I lost horribly.

I feel like you should have got credit for the jam.

Come on.

it wasn't mentioned.

I mean, I've said it a number of times since.

They're like, get over it.

Yeah.

I thought I would do really badly at that.

And then I did better than I thought I would.

Interesting.

About halfway through the day, I was like, I'm doing way better than I thought.

And that was the killer because then

I didn't win.

And I was livid.

I was so angry.

I forgot my toothbrush in the trailer.

That's interesting.

You told me at the time that you actually were okay with the fact you didn't win and it was all right.

And I thought in my head, that's off-bread.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's good that I found out now that that rightly, example beat me, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, I've forgotten example beat you, that's it.

And he used to be a chef, so I think that's cheating.

Definitely, he may be a superstar DJ now, but he used to work in catering.

I'm from catering.

Oh, because

oh my god, you see my bake off episode?

Yeah, I actually will have done.

Yeah, I watched them all.

Yeah, great.

I did well.

I've for sure seen more of your work than you've seen.

No, come on.

I think the just bake off generally is one of of the best shows ever made.

Yes.

It's just joyful.

It's just delightful.

Yeah.

That's why I like it when someone gets genuinely angry on there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because they're ruining it.

They're ruining the whole spell of the show.

And there are a few we've rewound.

I don't know if you remember when the guy's like,

his knife sort of got stuck in the cake and he threw it in the bin, but the knife was stuck in the cake.

So there are a few.

It's just fun.

Was that that wasn't the baked Alaska guy, right?

No.

Was it?

That's Ian.

That's Ian, yeah.

Way back when.

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like I remember.

He threw a baked Alaska in the bin.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I think that to me represents every time I cook.

Oh, really?

That reaction.

Do you give up entirely?

If one thing goes wrong, are you like, I'm dumb?

I don't give up.

I plow through, but if I'm cooking for someone else and I feel halfway through it's not gone as well as I thought it should do,

I'll complain about it.

And then when everyone's eating it, I'll spend the whole time going, I'm so sorry, this is awful.

It was meant to be dot, da, da, da.

But it's always delicious.

Ed's cooking is fantastic.

Who's the better cook out of the two?

Ed, by like a million miles.

But neither of us really do it that much.

So we decided between the cakes because I'm quite.

Yeah, I'll go for

the lemon polenta.

Yeah, that does sound really good.

Yeah.

But shout out to your mum's cooking.

Shout out to my mum's hedgehog cake.

Should we shout out the name of your mum's friend who made this?

Nell.

Nell.

Nell.

Is this the same friend that you and your mum cooked for the other night?

Interestingly, it's not, but she was at that dinner and she had done the polenta cake, but with orange, which was quite tasty.

But I still prefer the lemon one.

Yeah, come on now.

Don't mess around with the classic.

This is a great gang.

I love it.

You're all cooking for each other, hanging out.

My mum is really a wonderful hostess.

She

cooks for people.

She has a lot of people around.

My parents' house is like a merry-go-round.

Anyone that needs somewhere to stay goes there.

Anyone that needs a meal goes there.

Would Ed and I be welcome?

Of course.

You reckon your mum would accommodate us?

And people are like,

you know, can I get around this table?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

You always end up doing the washing up, which is fine.

But, you know, I'd happily help with that.

Yeah.

He likes that.

I'm good at that.

Yeah.

I can swerve it.

I can, like,

I usually just like, I'll get the tea town and just be there with the, like, drying up one plate for a long time while socialising.

Chatting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, see, my, it might be a controversial opinion.

I don't like drying things up.

I know, I agree.

That's not controversial.

Okay.

For control.

Because some people can't get their head around why I don't, but I think we'll let that dry and then I'll come back to the next bit when that's dry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

yeah.

You want to create space on the training board.

I hope you said training board.

Draining board, yeah, but I feel like you know what?

That's the board that you start on.

Yes.

And then only when you're ready, you move up to the given place, but no water.

Yeah.

Invisible.

Yeah.

I bought a new washing up brush recently.

Big day in my heart.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Stiff bristles.

Very exciting.

Nice.

I go the eco, so I've got those walnut scrubbers.

Walnut scrubbers.

Very good.

I don't think I've seen the walnut scrubbers.

What the walnut scrubbers?

Well, you know, because sponges are terrible because they're plastic.

So the walnut is made of recycled plastic and walnut bits and they get everything clean off.

Are they sturdy?

They're fairly thin.

So they're a scourer, essentially, but good.

And no scratching.

I just prefer a brush.

Interesting.

I feel like I like to be a bit more tactile with it.

I like a sponge.

I like a bit of distance from the plate.

How much distance are you talking?

Well, the length of the handle.

That's not very far, Ed.

You may as well get in there.

Who are you kidding?

I don't know that I'd go for a brush.

I'd always go for a sponge.

Try the brush out.

Tell me how it goes.

Well, I think I would look forward to saying the phrase walnut scrubber more than I would brush.

Whereas the brush is going to feel like I'm far away from the plate.

I'd rather be like, Has anyone seen the walnut scrubber?

I need to scrub some dishes.

How long ago do you think people turned this one off?

Is this from the episode where you're like, no one wants to scroll down?

No, No,

this is the meat of it now.

You must be joking, talking about

walnut scrubbers and washing up brushes.

Reward for all the people who've got to the end.

They get to hear the walnut scrubber chat.

Yeah.

But I'm team drying up.

Just

I've got on that.

What do you do when the tea tail's wet though?

Because I don't like that.

Oh, that's so stressful when it's all soft and wet.

You're fucking washing up, mate.

You're interacting with the wettest thing in the world.

Water.

Yeah, but it stays wet.

Yeah, then it's the water is wet.

yeah, all the time.

But then, what you do and the wetness, you've dried three plates in a pan, and then you've got a soaking wet tea towel, soaking wet, grow up after a little while.

That is a super wet tea towel, yeah, yeah, still does the job, man.

Still does the job if you're good and you're able to utilize the different parts of the tea towel while you're washing, you're not just doing the whole thing.

You have different parts of the tea towel, it's a fucking square.

Oh, you this is why, this is why you're team washing up.

You don't know, you don't know how to make a tea towel last.

I'm good at it, I'm really good at it, yeah, yeah.

I've got a dishwasher as well.

I tend to restack other people's dishwashers too.

Do you?

Do you not like that?

Yeah, I'll do the washing up, the things that need to be washed up, and then I'll restack.

Because they've stacked it badly.

What annoys you most about other people's stacking?

Wasted space.

Yeah.

You're doing it alphabetically.

It's just use what you've got.

Just get them in there.

Or people running it on half cycle.

So annoying.

I always go eco.

Yeah.

Actually, eco is not always the best way because sometimes it goes double the time.

Mixed messaging everywhere.

So it's not the, it's not the most ecologically friendly way of i think basically the quicker cycle is the most eco cycle right this is it

they're tricking you every single time you've been tricked how do you trust that feel i've been tricked by big dishwasher big dishwasher got you

it feels pretty bad by the big boys and it's not even a big big big dishwasher it's a half-size one you got a little half-size which annoys me sometimes i go come on you're doing well why have you only got a half-size dishwasher you're talking to yourself yeah yeah yeah

no my agent's on speakerphone we started this with me saying gosh

you know it's so great for you guys to ask different questions and i have truly never been asked most of these questions before yeah yeah daisy came in and said it'd be nice to you know chat about some other stuff yeah and now she's regretting that yeah

bb8

fucking ask me about bb8 for christ's sakes talk to these fucking guys about dishwashers are you kidding me he could have been a dishwasher bb8 yeah yeah yeah yeah chuck him in there controversial

yeah don't don't that's clickbait mate sorry sorry sorry sorry yeah if i'll be all over the tabs, all over the tabloids.

Daisy really says, Yeah,

BBA should have been a dishwasher.

I said he could have been a dishwasher.

Yeah, but you're just setting her up.

That was a trap.

Well done for not falling for it.

That was a trap, if ever I heard one.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yeah, yeah.

I'll read you your menu back now, see how you feel about it.

Still water.

Still water, but you didn't ask me about ice or lemon or lime.

Tell us now.

No ice.

Yeah.

Bit of lemon.

If I'm feeling restauranty.

Like one slice.

Oh, wait.

Yeah.

No, one slice looks classy.

Although then sometimes you have to deal with it flapping.

And that's not classy when it's bumping up against your top lip.

Yeah.

No way.

Yeah.

It gets stuck there.

Just rather swallow the whole thing while no one's looking.

Everything that's now being said sounds so dodgy.

Yeah.

It's all clickbait.

Yeah, yeah.

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Public observation bread, you would like sourdough with olive oil and balsamic vinegar and a sprinkle of salt.

Starter, butterbeans and creamy sauce with truffle from the place in Liverpool.

Main course.

With

the crusty sourdough dipped in.

That came with it.

That's very important.

Near the Hope Street Hotel.

Yes.

Main course.

Three quarters.

Three slash four.

Look at fractions.

Three quarters of a sausage.

I thought I don't remember this.

Three slash four.

This isn't sausages.

And mash with pisto gravy and peas.

Side dish, crispy Brussels sprouts and maple miso carrots in a little dish that divides down the middle.

Yes.

Drink a lychee martini.

Brackets quite sweet.

Sweet, not boozy.

I guess what you can say when you're bond.

Dessert.

Nell's lemon polenta cake with vegan lemon curd ice cream.

Beautiful.

I'm very excited about that as well.

That feel great.

Does sound good.

Yeah.

Those carrots, I'm going to try making those.

Oh, they're really tasty.

Yeah.

The trick is you have to cut them sort of chunky on the hob with the miso garlic bit of maple and then in the oven with the lid on for 15, take the lid off for five.

There you go.

I'm doing it, James.

I'm inviting you over.

Oh, thank you for carrots.

I can't wait to see you sitting there going, oh, fuck those carrots.

Don't eat those carrots.

I fucked them.

Oh, you try and find a detail.

Yeah, oh, I'm sorry.

What the fuck is this?

This was a size.

Well, you're doing okay, Ed.

You're doing all right.

Everybody being like, is that it?

Yeah.

Maybe you go through and getting one carrot first, bringing it through.

pausing cleaner and then going and uh getting our matt i'm not putting cleaner on when you come over you've seen it already

can't wait to watch it i'm the one who's gonna be bringing it over and remember your favorite bit yeah we talked about it yeah which bit the song

daisy thank you so much for coming to the dream restaurant thanks for having me thank you daisy

Thank you so much to Daisy for coming on the podcast, James.

What a great menu and a lovely chat.

I'm going to get myself a walnut scrubber.

I love it.

So we're presuming that's all staying in the pod, right?

If it doesn't stay in the pod,

then still keep me saying that I'm going to get a walnut scrubber.

Yeah.

That does, I mean, Daisy wasn't convinced it was going to stay in the pod.

No, but Daisy has like, you know, overestimated how exciting our chats are.

Yes.

Like, you know, it wasn't Daisy's fault.

that that conversation was boring.

It's because that's what we draw out of people and what we inspire and what we bring to the table ourselves.

And also, I don't think that chat was boring.

I maintain talking about Brush vSponge is actually a really good chat.

Yeah, and washing up the drying up, it was two in tandem.

Yeah.

And I reverses.

So I know Daisy's probably used to a different sort of interview.

And so she thought, maybe people will turn this off.

But our listeners know that Brush v.

Sponge is very much in our wheelhouse.

It's been kicking off all over the web now.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Brush v sponge.

And Daisy did not say rabbit.

Yes.

Why would she?

She's a vegan.

So, you know, there was no chance of that happening.

She didn't.

Yeah.

As soon as she said she was a vegan, I was like, we're safe.

We're safe.

We're good.

And maybe, maybe that's, she's a vegan.

We should have asked because she voiced Cottontail.

Maybe it was because she voiced Cottontail.

We should have asked that.

We didn't ask anything about that.

We didn't ask anything about Star Wars.

No.

You know,

we get different things out of guests.

Brush-free sponge, for example.

Whether you have a brush or a sponge, in that moment, you are a cleaner.

So make sure you go and watch Cleaner.

How did we not bring it back to to that?

Yeah.

In the actual episode.

I don't know, man.

Hindsight's a beautiful thing.

Is that the phrase?

Yeah, yeah.

Hindsight's 2020.

That was a bad year.

Message the great Benito

brush or sponge.

Make sure you message the great Benito and say, Beniti Beniti, I've got a little treaty for you.

And then you say, it's...

An either brush or sponge.

Brush or sponge.

That's the Beniti Beniti, I've got a little treaty for you.

It's brush.

Or Beniti Beniti, I've got a little treaty for you.

It's Sponge.

And then what will happen then if you message in?

And then Ben will count them all up.

Yeah.

And a week, like, so you have one week to do this.

Yeah.

And then a week later, he will publish the results.

Yes.

Sometimes he cuts these bits out, but we'd like to remind him at this point.

He fucked up today so hugely that it would be really a bad sport to cut this out at this point.

So he really does have to.

And if he cuts it out, let us know.

Yeah.

If you are in Australia or New Zealand, I am coming on tour to you in June, edgamble.co.uk for tickets, going to lots of different places in those countries.

Limey Cobbers, get yourself down there.

Yes, thank you, Cobbers.

Myself,

I do a podcast called Off Menu.

Uh, I co-host it with my friend Ed.

If you could listen, every Wednesday, every Wednesday, uh, it goes out.

You know what, genuinely wherever you get your podcast, genuinely fills my heart with warmth that you remember the day that this podcast goes out.

No, that's when we get a WhatsApp from old Listy.

Yeah,

That's when he wops WhatsApp.

That's true.

He goes, it's out now.

Old Listy sends us the links in the picture for no reason because you're not on Instagram.

Who am I sharing?

And all I have to do is accept the collaboration.

I don't know how to use WhatsApp properly.

So

all that means for me is that I've now got to delete a photo from my actual photos on my phone because there will still

anyone WhatsApps me a photo gets saved in my photos immediately.

I know how to turn that off.

Are you kidding me?

I don't know how to turn it off.

I don't know how to turn it off.

I don't know how to use WhatsApp.

This week, Kyle Smith Bino messaged me on WhatsApp.

And it was from a number I didn't recognise.

I don't have his number.

So to prove it, he sent me a photo of himself.

And I noticed that he didn't have a contact pic.

So I tried to make it his contact pic.

And I accidentally made it my profile pic on WhatsApp.

And now my profile pic on WhatsApp is Kyle smiling in the trailer on some like TV series he's doing.

That's it now.

Hang on.

To prove that he was him,

he sent you a publicity photo of Kyle Smith Bino.

It wasn't publicity, it was him sitting in his trailer.

Oh, right.

Okay.

Smiling at me, yeah, like looking like deliberately looking quite comical.

So that's my photo now.

Yeah, is Kyle Biden?

You don't know how to change that.

I don't know how to change that now.

Yeah.

And he told me to keep it like that.

Yeah.

So I've got to honour my word.

Yes.

Well, thank you very much for listening.

We'll be back next week with more japes from the off-menu boys.

Oh, dear.

Whoopsie.

Easy.

Oh, Ridley.

Whoopsie, David.

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Oh, hi, James.

Have you heard the news?

Oh, yeah, go on.

You and I are modern boys because the Off Menu podcast is now on YouTube.

This is embarrassing.

Why is it embarrassing, man?

You love YouTube.

I love watching clips on YouTube.

Sure.

Now people can watch clips of Off Menu on YouTube and full episodes.

But it's embarrassing, man.

It's not embarrassing at all.

It's really cool.

We're on YouTube with the great and good.

The coolest people in the world are on YouTube.

Me, you, Logan Paul.

Who's Logan Paul, the dad from Succession?

At Off Menu Podcast.

That's what Benito's calling us now.

And we're on TikTok.

This is embarrassing, man.

It's not embarrassing, man.

We're cool.

We're like Olivia Rodrigo.

And Ed.

People have been asking us, battering us, bothering us, actually.

They want to watch the Stephen Graham supercut from the Stephen Graham episode so they can see all of his reactions to us, everything that he did.

Or Benito has bent to their whims, and he's going to put it on YouTube.

He's going to do it.

Follow us at Off Menu Official on TikTok, at Off Menu Podcast, on YouTube.

You can watch clips from the podcast.

And on YouTube, you can watch full video episodes.

People have been asking for it, and you're finally getting it.

Full video episodes.

So you can see every single nuance on our little faces.