Claudia Oshry: How to Stop Letting Your Body Image Hold You Back & Build Lasting Confidence

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Speaker 1 I think a lot of people let their weight control their lives. I didn't think that I was capable of changing, and now I know I'm capable of that.
Like, bitch, I can do anything. Like, I really can.

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Speaker 53 What do you feel is the biggest misconception about you?

Speaker 1 I felt so misunderstood by people and I remember getting married and being like so angry that my dad wasn't going to be there when I was struggling with my self-image.

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Speaker 41 Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you choose to become happier, healthier, and more healed.

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Speaker 63 I was lucky enough and grateful enough to go on her show, The Toast, the hit show, award-winning, incredibly huge, huge, huge podcast called The Toast last year.

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Speaker 44 Claudia, thanks for being here.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, best intro ever. Do it again.

Speaker 41 I'd be happy to.

Speaker 17 I'd be happy to.

Speaker 16 It was, it was genuine. It was honest.

Speaker 1 And I love you, by the way. Like when we met, I'm not going to lie, I was like a little, I'm like, who's this guy? Because I wasn't super familiar.

Speaker 1 I read your book and I was like, okay, let's see what it's about. I feel like sometimes when someone becomes really known with a lot of celebrity friends, it can be like a little smoke in mirrors.

Speaker 1 And I was like, honestly, I'm suspicious. This guy's coming in.

Speaker 1 And you were so kind the second you walked in it was very disarming i was like oh never mind i take pack like i love him and we had such a great conversation and i actually loved so many things about your book because your book was like really heavy on relationships and i just loved it and ever since then i've just like loved you oh yeah this that genuinely means the world to me and you made me feel so comfortable that day because i was like guys like you guys i was talking to my team and i was like you guys listened to her and i was like i'm not cool i'm not funny i was like how am i gonna fit in like how's this gonna work and they were like no no no she's gonna be wonderful and and you were and you are and i'm so grateful that i now get to do this back.

Speaker 41 So let's dive straight in.

Speaker 73 Okay.

Speaker 71 Because you just said something to me.

Speaker 46 I wasn't going to start here, but you just said something to me.

Speaker 54 And I wanted to ask you, like, what do you feel is the biggest misconception about you?

Speaker 1 Oh, wow, that's a good question. I don't know if I would say there's one misconception.

Speaker 1 I would say like though largely, and there was a period a few years ago, because I remember writing about this in my book where I felt so misunderstood by people.

Speaker 1 And I feel like unless you were watching my podcast every day and listening to everything else thing that I said, you didn't really get me.

Speaker 1 Cause I feel like I come off as like a lot of different things.

Speaker 1 So like a little crazy, a little outlandish, but I feel like the person that I really am is like a sister, a wife, I feel like kind of gets lost in the mix sometimes.

Speaker 1 I like to think I'm like, and I'm always like joking about how funny and sweet and kind and beautiful I am, but I really do believe that about myself.

Speaker 1 And I feel like just because I always lead with like humor and a little bit of like outrageousness, I do feel like that softer, very what I think is genuine gets a little bit lost.

Speaker 74 That's so interesting.

Speaker 53 I mean, I can relate in so many ways.

Speaker 16 I feel so misunderstood so often. And it's because we have a view of what a spiritual person or a teacher or a guide looks like.

Speaker 76 And I think I'm just trying to be people's friend.

Speaker 42 I'm trying to be the person who's just reminding you something.

Speaker 78 Yes.

Speaker 1 I feel like your job title definitely, like you lead with that. And people have conceptions about that before.

Speaker 1 And I feel the same way, like coming from a comedy space, especially when you make jokes that like sometimes are a little, you know,

Speaker 1 people are like, oh, she's crazy. She's radical.
And it's just like, I'm actually just a girl. Like, I'm just a girl.
And nothing makes me happier than making people laugh.

Speaker 1 And like, sometimes I take it a little far, but like, it's funny.

Speaker 67 It's funny.

Speaker 67 What's a big deal?

Speaker 68 Yeah.

Speaker 37 And, and, and that's why for me as well, it's like, I want to help people.

Speaker 57 I want to make people feel better.

Speaker 16 I want to introduce people to great ideas and insights.

Speaker 30 It's not.

Speaker 15 It doesn't have to be heavy.

Speaker 16 It doesn't have to be like everything.

Speaker 73 I also love soccer and love fashion.

Speaker 79 I love joy.

Speaker 15 I love, you know, just, I'm a normal human being.

Speaker 80 And it's like, I love that balance.

Speaker 9 And I think that's how I see myself as someone who has these very nuanced interests and hobbies and everything else. But I think naturally we're kind of forced to be in a box.

Speaker 67 Yeah, right. You can be both.

Speaker 36 Yeah, you can be both.

Speaker 1 100%. I so believe that.
I feel like I'm so hard and I'm so soft. Yeah.

Speaker 36 I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 83 At the same time.

Speaker 1 At the same time. And I feel like I'm always leading, obviously, because what I do is like just try to make people laugh, which I love.
So I'm always leading with that.

Speaker 1 And I do feel like my sort of soy sensitive side, and I'm very sensitive.

Speaker 1 I feel like I don't show that a lot. And I don't want to show it that much because I feel like on the internet, it's so toxic.

Speaker 1 If you open up about a vulnerability or something, people throw it back in your face and they use it against you. So I'm also really protective of my own peace.

Speaker 83 Wow.

Speaker 49 When did you learn that you had to do that?

Speaker 1 I feel like when I first started opening up, I feel like the first thing I really opened up about, because I share everything on the internet and it's not hard.

Speaker 1 I don't feel like I'm digging deep to share. I'm a natural, like if I meet you for the first time, I'll tell you my life story.
That's just how I am.

Speaker 1 So I've never felt like I was sharing something that I wasn't comfortable sharing until I shared my journey with Ozempic, which was so personal to me. And, you know, I got a lot of support for it.

Speaker 1 But there were also people, you know, you're stealing drugs from diabetics. Like, literally, no, I'm not.
And there was like a lot of, there's a lot of discourse around that.

Speaker 1 Do people who struggle with their weight need medication? Are they stealing medication from diabetes patients? So

Speaker 1 I felt like scared to share that. One, because I think the emotion I felt most was like, I was really embarrassed that one, I'd gotten myself to a place where I required a medication.

Speaker 1 And two, I did feel a little pushed to share just because it was so obvious to people that I was on it. And, you know, everybody, nobody would let me live.
They wouldn't let me sleep for five minutes.

Speaker 1 They're like, she's on a subject, she's on a subject, she's on a submitted. And when I did share, I'm ultimately so glad that I did, but I didn't feel

Speaker 1 at first like it was my choice necessarily.

Speaker 84 That always feels harder.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 27 Yeah. When you feel like you had to share something because there was already so much torture.

Speaker 1 Speculation. Yeah.
And now when I look back, I wish I shared sooner. It's like the greatest journey I went on.
I have so many positive things to say about it.

Speaker 1 I think when I tell people, it makes them feel like a little less embarrassed about their journey. Cause look at me, I'm so fabulous.
And even I did it. And I wish I did it sooner.

Speaker 1 And I loved every minute of the journey.

Speaker 1 But at the time, I was so embarrassed. Like that was just the, the, the emotion I remember feeling was like pure shame.

Speaker 36 That's, I mean, and that sounds like such a hard place to be.

Speaker 57 We actually interviewed, I interviewed Johan Hari, a good friend of mine who wrote the book, The Magic Pill.

Speaker 53 He's on Ozempic and he's gone and done all the research from the biggest experts in the space and the naysayers in the space.

Speaker 16 And so for anyone who's looking for a very researched guide to Ozempe, he was brilliant and he talked about it from so many different perspectives.

Speaker 86 But going back to what you said, one of the first things that I think is so hard for people is how society has made people feel shameful about their body in general.

Speaker 48 I mean, you've talked before about, I saw that, I actually couldn't believe this existed, but you've talked about going to fat camps.

Speaker 67 Oh, yeah. Like I'd never

Speaker 1 summers of my life.

Speaker 88 We never, I've never heard of that living in

Speaker 88 growing up in London.

Speaker 67 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 85 Like, first of all, explain to me how you can get away with calling something fat camp and And what is fat camp?

Speaker 1 Well, actually, at the time, I believe they were going by weight loss camp. Not that it mattered.
Like, colloquially, it's called a fat camp.

Speaker 1 And yeah, so I went to summer camp my whole life. And when I was like,

Speaker 1 I feel like maybe I was in like the sixth grade, I don't remember how old I was. My older sister was really struggling with her weight.
I never struggled with my weight as a kid.

Speaker 1 And you know, my parents tried a lot of different things. And one of the things that they tried was sending her to like a summer camp that was focused on physical fitness.

Speaker 1 I think what people think of as a fat camp, like a fat farm where like the kids are up every day pulling tires uphills, it wasn't like that at all.

Speaker 1 It was a very standard all-American summer camp with fitness and diet just sort of at the forefront of meals and activities.

Speaker 1 And all my sisters went to support my older sister and we ended up having like the most amazing time. We went back.
I never went back to the old camp that I had originally went to.

Speaker 1 We went back every summer. It was the greatest experience of my life.
Some of my best friends I still talk to to this day from camp.

Speaker 1 And so I know how it like sounds and looks to other people, but for me, it was just such a regular camp experience, but I also wasn't on the program.

Speaker 1 So for any of the summers that I spent at a weight loss camp, I was actually never struggling with my weight.

Speaker 1 So I would wear this special bracelet that just let everyone at the facility know like I'm not on the program.

Speaker 1 And then it turns out, you know, the second I left camp, I actually started to, you know, struggle with my weight and I really could have used a weight loss camp.

Speaker 84 Wow.

Speaker 41 I mean, so what was that like then in the beginning years?

Speaker 49 Because I think what's interesting as we, as we talk about Ozempic, to me, so much of it is about how we're conditioned since we're young.

Speaker 72 So I grew up overweight. Oh, did you?

Speaker 42 And yeah, for I was overweight until I was about like 15,

Speaker 16 16 years old, maybe.

Speaker 34 I can't picture it.

Speaker 77 And yeah, I'll show you pictures.

Speaker 60 Yeah, I will. I will.

Speaker 58 My wife has plenty of embarrassing pictures of me.

Speaker 69 And she was as well.

Speaker 62 Oh, really? Yeah, she was as well.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you, people who have never struggled with their weight, like are not people, not that there's anything wrong with them, but like they're not people I can relate to.

Speaker 1 I feel like struggling with your weight makes you such a real bitch. Like, can I curse on here? Like, I feel people who have struggled with their weight, they know real struggle.

Speaker 1 They know being uncomfortable. Like, I just feel I, when when I meet someone and they've struggled with their weight, like I automatically know they're like, they're my type of person.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 83 But that's, that's what I'm sharing.

Speaker 56 It creates touch. Your resilience.

Speaker 1 Like you're seriously, especially as a kid. Oh my God.

Speaker 91 Yeah, it's huge.

Speaker 69 I mean, like, I remember the bullying, the name calling, the...

Speaker 16 awkward thing of trying to pull myself out of a swimming pool and not being able to like so real you know moments like that where you're just like oh gosh this is the worst thing that could have ever happened and then being forced to wear speedos at school

Speaker 67 so british and yeah not in america right that's no never that's our version of fat camp Yeah.

Speaker 41 You have to wear speedos.

Speaker 67 That's terrible, actually.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 76 And so when I look back at all of that, I think about how much shame, guilt is already set up just in our perception of what it means to be overweight.

Speaker 42 And now you're talking about feeling shame of going on a Zempic, which you're taking to do the opposite.

Speaker 1 Well, it's like you can't win. I used to get like so much, you know, backlash and messages like that I'm setting a bad example, that I live an unhealthy lifestyle.

Speaker 1 So then I take control of it and like I start changing my life. And now I'm, you know, running diabetics over with a bus.
Like you really can't win. So you just have to do what makes you happy.

Speaker 1 And going on that journey made me really happy. It was like the first time in my life where I ever felt in control of my weight.
Like since I'm like, I started gaining weight in college.

Speaker 1 So since I'm 18, I, it was the craziest feeling. It was so foreign to me.
And I think a lot of, especially girls who struggle with their weight may be able to relate to this. Like,

Speaker 1 I was always a confident person, even when, you know, I was struggling with my weight. And I was always really happy in my own body.
That was like something I really worked on.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people let their weight control their lives, whether it comes to work or personal relationships.

Speaker 1 For me, I was never going to let it stand in my way, but that didn't mean that I didn't like that I liked it. Like I loved myself and I loved my life, but deep inside, I always wanted to be skinny.

Speaker 1 So when you're an overweight girl, like you wake up every day and you think about like you look, you pass a mirror, you pass a window, you're thinking probably a hundred times a day about like the inevitable day when maybe one day you will be skinny.

Speaker 1 So Ozempic gave me that.

Speaker 1 Like, and to achieve a lifelong dream that you never think, and I know it sounds so dramatic, but to achieve a lifelong dream that you never think is going to come to fruition is the craziest feeling.

Speaker 1 And that's why I really felt so compelled to share my journey because at the time when I shared, it was 2023.

Speaker 1 I think maybe around the end of the year, no, it was like the summer.

Speaker 1 There was so much negative stuff out there about Ozempic, like the Daily Mail, every time somebody ended up in the ER with a headache, it was Ozempic's fault.

Speaker 1 And I just felt like everybody was being made fun of for being on Ozempic. And no one was really talking about how life-changing it is.

Speaker 1 And especially as like a girl who always wanted to be a mom, I was, I was like, I can't ever get pregnant at this weight. I have to lose the weight before I can gain the weight.

Speaker 1 So it just gave me opportunities. It gave me a whole new life.
And I felt so compelled to share because it bothered me how negative everything was about this journey.

Speaker 1 Like we were all supposed to feel shame. Like the amount of negative media representation, negative mentions of Ozempic, like was supposed to, I think, shame people into not doing it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't feel like, and I think that's why Oprah did her special too. Her special was really powerful because she's somebody who's benefited enormously from it.

Speaker 1 And you don't hear those stories enough. And it makes me so sad.
So ultimately, it was the best decision I ever made going on it and also sharing the journey.

Speaker 1 But at the time, I just wish people had given me like a little bit more space to process it, you know?

Speaker 31 Did you ever worry about the side effects and what you, because I'm guessing you're thinking about those things as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course. So

Speaker 1 when I, when it was first brought up to me by my plastic surgeon, I was like super intrigued.

Speaker 1 Then I spoke to like my primary care physician about it and both of them were really like down and excited and they wanted me to do it. So I felt really good like knowing that my doctors supported it.

Speaker 1 And that's why

Speaker 1 I didn't share from day one because one, what if it didn't go well? Two, it doesn't work for some people. So I make this whole big thing.
I'm going on this. And then I don't even lose the weight.

Speaker 1 Like there were so many factors at play. So

Speaker 1 I couldn't share. from day one.
And then when I started to drop significant weight, I was just then feeling embarrassed. That's why I didn't share.

Speaker 1 I was like, wow, my life got to a place where it was, where I'm so out of control. I need medication to get me to stop eating.

Speaker 1 Like, and that's what I loved about Oprah's special was she really dived into like the illness, the disease of obesity, and how it's like telling someone to stop eating is like telling a depressed person to just be happy.

Speaker 1 Like it's really not in our chemical compound. So I felt like the whole journey, I was learning about myself.
I was learning about the disease. I was learning about the medication.

Speaker 1 And yeah, of course, I was worried about side effects. But after a couple of weeks, when I had minimal nausea and it went away pretty fast, I felt like this was the right drug for me.

Speaker 92 Yeah.

Speaker 27 And then what was it that decided to get you off it?

Speaker 1 Oh, well, I had lost the weight and I feel like I was on it for a year. And the first six months, I just kind of let the drug like do its thing.
I didn't change my life at all.

Speaker 1 I was like still eating like crap, but that's how the drug works. You eat like crap, but you eat half.
So I was losing weight.

Speaker 1 And then halfway through, I was like, okay, now that I've kind of gotten my life a little bit under control, let me actually try and change my life.

Speaker 1 So I joined the gym, I got a trainer, I started working out, I started eating way healthier. So I did the journey like in two parts.
One, where I just kind of let the medication run me.

Speaker 1 And then where I used the medication as like a a tool to change my life. And I really wanted to see if I could do it without.
And I also knew that I had wanted to get pregnant sometime soon.

Speaker 1 And you have to be off the medication for a minimum of two months. So I got off of it in December of 2023.

Speaker 1 I knew in the next year I'd wanted to get pregnant and I kind of wanted to put as much time between being off the drug and starting my journey.

Speaker 1 And I wanted to see like if I could keep up with my working working out and my eating well regimen without the drug. And I was able to, and that's like one of the things I'm most proud of.

Speaker 1 Cause like, and I never would have been able to get there if it weren't for the, the tool of Ozempic and all those GLP-1 medications.

Speaker 51 Wow.

Speaker 84 And how did you, how has it changed you?

Speaker 17 Because you, like you said, you're already confident.

Speaker 54 You already liked yourself.

Speaker 89 No. You knew who you were.

Speaker 85 What's changed?

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm insufferable now. Like,

Speaker 1 no, I think that so much of my confidence was,

Speaker 1 like, I really had to work at it. Do you know what I mean? It was, I don't want to say fake,

Speaker 1 but I just remember one day waking up and like deciding to be confident.

Speaker 1 And slowly by slowly, brick by brick, I built up a sense of confidence that really, it was real, but I do think it was built on a foundation of like kind of lies.

Speaker 1 And now that I like really changed my life, I felt so confident, but I also felt so confident that I was capable of change. I think for many years, I'm such a stubborn person.

Speaker 1 I didn't think that I was capable of changing anything, anything, let alone this huge thing for me, which has always been my weight, which has kind of been like my Roman Empire.

Speaker 1 So I think the fact that I successfully changed something in my life, something bad and turned it into good, like that, and now I know I'm capable of that. Like, bitch, I can do anything.

Speaker 1 Like, I really can.

Speaker 80 I love that attitude.

Speaker 17 But how did you build that energy before?

Speaker 16 Like, I don't want to take away from the fact that even though you say you were faking it, obviously it was working in that you were still doing well.

Speaker 67 It seems like you were comfortable in your own skin like what would you say to someone who maybe doesn't have

Speaker 48 doesn't want to go on a zem pig because they're scared or whatever it may be but like

Speaker 1 what would you say with them so i feel like people don't like my answer because when i was like struggling with my self-image i feel like i'm gonna cry now sorry um

Speaker 1 so much of my confidence i would say like all of it came from the fact that i had a husband or a boyfriend at the time fiance who loved me so much and he thought i was like the greatest thing and so if he thought it and look at him like i just i love him so much and so he thinks i'm so great like that's not that you should get your confidence from a man whatever but like i did just to be loved so um

Speaker 1 unequivocally by somebody who i think is so great um that gave me a lot of confidence like he thought i was the best he thought i was the smartest he thought i was the prettiest so like i was because his opinion is the only one that matters.

Speaker 1 But also, like, I look at him and I think of him as like so charming, attractive. Like, who wouldn't want to marry him? And he likes me.
Like, oh my God, I must be like the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 1 And, and I really feel like so much of my confidence. And it's so funny because he says that he gets confidence from me, which I feel like really happy that it's a two-way street.

Speaker 1 But having a relationship that I felt really solid about, but also somebody who just loved me so much, really,

Speaker 1 it just made me believe like what he was saying. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 69 What's interesting to me is just so much of how whether it's body shaming we do to ourselves or that society does to us, how so much of it is built up around aesthetics and visuals and how health and vitality are actually not based on simply visuals.

Speaker 1 No, but I will say visually at the time, like if you were to just compare me visually now and me visually then, like I was very unhealthy.

Speaker 1 Like I had a lot of random medical issues that like a 25-year-old girl shouldn't be having. So I agree with you that like a lot of times we judge people's health based on their weight.

Speaker 1 And that's not the case for everyone. But to be clear, like it was the the case for me.
Yeah. Like I was not healthy.
I did not walk to work.

Speaker 1 Like I was really like living a very inactive, unhealthy lifestyle. That's not the case for everyone you see who's overweight, but that was 1,000th percent the case for me.

Speaker 81 Yeah.

Speaker 36 And now what's the new schedule?

Speaker 1 Oh, bitch. Well, now I'm pregnant.
So like it's kind of reverted back, but so not pregnancy-wise, I just really like lead my day with little pockets of activity.

Speaker 1 I think that like meet going to meetings, going to work, like I'm always being like, okay, I'll walk.

Speaker 1 I worked out like before I got pregnant. I worked out like, you know, three to five times a week.

Speaker 1 I would spend my weekends like doing things that I enjoy whilst being active, like going for walks in the park with Ben, just like making sure that I wasn't rotting in bed as much as I can, I'm capable of, because I'm capable of a great deal of rotting.

Speaker 1 And then with meals, that's really where I probably struggled the most, but just

Speaker 1 just trying to be a little bit more well-rounded. I feel like I eat like a six-year-old.
And so I do like I eat rice and chicken fingers.

Speaker 1 And so just changing sometimes to like brown rice and grilled chicken, you know, thinking a little bit more, but it's hard because I'm such a picky eater that, you know, I'm not going to be making bronzino on the weekends with like an a tapanad, you know, that's never going to happen.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what taponad is.

Speaker 16 And then, I mean, as I'm hearing you speak, I'm just like, is there a, a lot of people talk about this right now, like this idea of when you become pregnant, is there like a loss of the life you had?

Speaker 34 Oh my God, 100%. Like, is there a feeling of like, wait a minute, just a few moments ago, a few months ago, I was.

Speaker 1 I would say I don't feel, I really, I mean, I've been married for a hundred years and we decided to wait. to have kids.

Speaker 1 And I think that because we made that choice, I am now not spending my pregnancy and, you know, hopefully the next year or two, mourning a life.

Speaker 1 I feel like I lived life to the fullest and I really, really waited till I was ready. So the only thing I feel like I'm mourning is my body.

Speaker 1 like that, that nobody talks enough about like what it's like to lose significant weight and then get pregnant. I don't know how I feel about it.
I don't have like fully fleshed thought outs.

Speaker 1 I'm like struggling every single day. But no, I don't, I don't feel sad about like a life left behind.

Speaker 1 I feel like I lived every minute, minute of my 20s, like on the edge of cliffs, going on trips, partying, like doing everything I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 And when I turned 30 over the summer, I was like, you know what? I'm done. Like I really feel, and that's what I'm so happy about.

Speaker 1 Cause yeah, I like see my friends with kids and I'm like oh I do wish I had like you know joined them but I feel so fulfilled in that one chapter of my life that I'm really ready to start the next chapter yeah what was the reason for putting kids off in the beginning what was the

Speaker 1 I would say it was mostly career I've been working since I'm 18 and I just could not fathom taking time off and

Speaker 1 I don't know It just, it really scared me. It doesn't scare me so much anymore.
But also the weight thing played, played, I could not fathom at my previous weight getting pregnant.

Speaker 1 I think it would be a high-risk pregnancy. One and two, like, I think it would take me to a new weight, a new category that I might not be able to come back from.

Speaker 1 So I always knew I had to figure it out before.

Speaker 1 And Ozempa came to me at like the perfect time.

Speaker 74 Yeah. I think the first thing you mentioned, I relate to that.

Speaker 61 So obviously me and my wife don't have kids yet.

Speaker 16 And we'd love to one day.

Speaker 50 But I think a big thing for me also was I was very clear on who I was when we met

Speaker 36 and things were kind of going in the right direction for me.

Speaker 9 And then my wife, I was like really

Speaker 65 patient and i really wanted her to find her purpose before we had kids yeah because i wanted her to know who she was and know her identity and have clarity on her worth and her value and everything before we have a child because i just felt i was like i want her to also live a life and what that looks like and you know in the past couple of years she's just like blossomed and grown it's been so fun to watch and it's like now i'm like yeah now now you know from when we're lucky to have children it's more you can conceive it right totally yeah and and that you're you're coming at it from a point of like, I know who I am without anything.

Speaker 67 Yes.

Speaker 36 And I think that was so important to me for her.

Speaker 51 I already had it myself.

Speaker 67 And also the career thing, right?

Speaker 1 Like as a woman, it's not like you give birth and then you go back to work.

Speaker 1 It's like a two-year thing from conception to the, like till you really start to feel like yourself again, especially when your job is like being public and people have so much to say about your body.

Speaker 1 Like I don't necessarily didn't want to put myself through that. Like I really wasn't ready for it.
So I cannot recommend enough waiting till you're really ready.

Speaker 1 And I know that that's a privilege, privilege, but like, I

Speaker 1 am so pleased with how it's worked out so far. And I'm really, really glad that I waited because I, I remember I always used to say, like, I wanted to have kids when I was 25.

Speaker 1 And I remember sitting on my friend's couch and I was like, drunk. And he was like, by the way, like, when do you want to have kids? I'm like, when I'm 25.
And he was like, how old are you?

Speaker 1 I'm like, 25. So maybe, maybe when I'm 26.
And I don't know. I, I always, I've always, always known, I love kids, like my niece and my nephews are my whole life.

Speaker 1 Like I've always known that I wanted to be a mom. And then I started to get a little worried because I didn't feel it.
I'm like, oh, crap.

Speaker 1 Like, I was so annoyed at the biological clock and I was so annoyed at COVID.

Speaker 1 It like took two years for me that like, maybe if COVID hadn't happened, I would have been living my life those two years and been ready when I was 28. But I was like, crap, no.

Speaker 1 And I got a little worried that I was never going to be ready because I know it's something that I want. And that's why I feel so grateful that I very naturally came to the conclusion that I'm ready.

Speaker 1 And my husband was amazing about, like, if I had said to him five years ago, let's have a kid. He'd say, okay.
If I said Tim this like, he was really letting me lead, which I so appreciate.

Speaker 1 He never put pressure on me to like either wait longer or hurry up. Same with our families, like, nobody really tortured us about it.

Speaker 1 And I know a lot of girls get like endless harassment from their parents and their in-laws. And like, I didn't get that.
And I'm so grateful because I really came to the conclusion on my own.

Speaker 1 So, no, I don't, I don't like look around and I don't look at social media and see people like, you know, on trips and flying out of planes and think, oh, I wish that was me. I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I did my time. Honestly, that video makes me tired.
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Speaker 42 Walk me through that internal dialogue of like, how do you get to that place of feeling ready?

Speaker 20 I think so many of us are waiting to feel ready in life, whether it's waiting to feel ready to start a podcast, whether it's waiting to to write your book, whether it's waiting to have a kid, whether it's waiting to get married.

Speaker 37 And you're, we're just waiting.

Speaker 83 Yeah.

Speaker 49 But we never feel ready for most of us.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 80 Walk me through what you feel being ready means.

Speaker 1 I feel like jealousy is a really powerful emotion. And I started to feel like I might be ready to start a family when like I would hear about other girls that I knew, friends, people telling me.

Speaker 1 And up until that point, when people would tell me, I would be so happy for them. Like I would cry, like really genuine.

Speaker 1 And I remember the first time, it was like December of 2023, one of Ben's friends who

Speaker 1 his fiancé, excuse me, wife is one of my good friends, they told us that they were pregnant and I was so happy for her, but like I was a little jealous. And then I was like, oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 And that's why I feel like it's so important to like listen to yourself and be able to identify emotions. Cause I was like, okay, let's jut that down.

Speaker 1 I told Ben, I'm like, by the way, I'm a little jealous of Natalie. He was like, oh, that's great.
And that was in December. That was actually when I decided to get off Ozempic.
And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 Good to know. And then I just started like listening to my feelings.
And when other people would tell me, I'd be like, damn, now I'm starting to feel a little left behind.

Speaker 1 And so really, it was my own emotions that told me I was ready. And I've always been very good at like identifying my own emotions and like thinking, how does this make me feel? Am I pissed?

Speaker 1 Am I happy? And that's really, I would say, how I knew. Yeah.
But it was a struggle.

Speaker 49 It feels like you're someone that always knows you're ready, though, because you got what, married at 23?

Speaker 1 Yes, I got married very young. I got engaged.
Me and Ben met when I was 18. We got engaged when I was 21.
So we did it all throughout college. And then 23, yeah, when I got married.

Speaker 69 How did you know Ben was the one and you were ready to get married then?

Speaker 1 It just wasn't even a question. Honestly, I would have gotten married sooner.
Like, I know it sounds so crazy and it is, but we met when I was 18. So I was a freshman in college.

Speaker 1 And then when I was a senior, I wasn't allowed to get engaged in college. It was like, girl, get a degree and then we could talk.
So I graduated in May and then Ben and I got engaged in June.

Speaker 1 It was, I know it sounds, it was four years. I was like, bitch, I'm ready.
Like, let's go. Like, I knew like from day one that Ben was the love of my life.

Speaker 1 It took him, I want to say like three months to know that I was the love of his life, but it's okay. Some people, you know, we're all on our different journeys.
We all have our own purposes.

Speaker 50 I'm you and my wife's Ben.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I

Speaker 1 try not to like hold resentment. I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I remember that time you didn't think I was so cute.
I'm like, okay, you don't like me.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just, I just knew, and it's so crazy because we met when I'm 18.
I'm 30 now. So there is a huge part of my life where Ben isn't a factor, but I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 It's like before Ben and after Ben. Like I don't remember.

Speaker 1 It's weird if I'll like tell him a story and he wasn't there. I'm like, ew, where were you? Like you, I actually feel like we're related and we might be, but like, whatever.

Speaker 1 Um, I, it's the craziest thing. I can't really explain how I knew, but I think when I, when we first met, I was like, so excited to have a boyfriend because like I loved watching movies growing up.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh my God, I'm literally share from Clueless. I finally have a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 And I was so obsessed with the idea of having a boyfriend and like the fact that there was this person who wanted to spend time with me. And I was so excited about it.

Speaker 1 And then like, I, I feel like our relationship, we really grew up together. So

Speaker 1 the longer we were together and the more time we would spend, it was like becoming abundantly clear, like we really had the same values and we really are the same person.

Speaker 1 And it's so funny because Ben is so funny, but he's married to me. So it's like, good luck.

Speaker 1 And I would say if he had married anyone else, he would be the funniest guy in every room. But people say to me, people have known Ben for like three years, like, by the way, Ben's funny.

Speaker 1 I'm like, no, I know, but he can't get a word in with me.

Speaker 1 He's just the best. And I, I honestly, I know it sounds so crazy to have gotten married so young.

Speaker 1 And when we were getting married, I grew up in a modern Orthodox Jewish community. So it really wasn't that crazy.
Most of my friends have been married around the same age as me.

Speaker 1 But when I would meet like people, you know, regular secular folk, they would think it was so crazy. And I remember like being offended when people would say that.
I'm like, you don't know me and Ben.

Speaker 1 You don't know. But let me tell you something.
The older I've gotten, the more I learned, like we were crazy.

Speaker 1 We've changed so much, you know? And when people say like not to get married young, like they're right for that. They're saying it for a reason.

Speaker 1 I think that the way it worked out for me and Ben is really not how it works out for most people because I'm so different. Oh my my God, I used to be so annoying, if you can imagine it.

Speaker 1 Like I was just such a different person. And so was Ben, you know, I was like very insecure.
And I don't know, I just was weird.

Speaker 1 And I, and I grew up, I think, into a person that's amazing, but I grew up to be somebody a little different.

Speaker 1 And it's possible that I had grown, that I would have grown into somebody that Ben didn't like.

Speaker 1 And it's possible that Ben would have grown into, he was 21, that he would have grown into somebody that I wasn't particularly into. But we really made a conscious choice to like grow up together.

Speaker 1 So I understand why people said said that and they were probably right for that, but we're different. Sorry.
We just are. We are.

Speaker 17 No, I think that's really fair point.

Speaker 36 And I think even Radley was 25 when we got married.

Speaker 67 I was 28.

Speaker 84 And even that is somewhat, it's still, you know, it's still younger.

Speaker 62 And it's like,

Speaker 27 it's, it's the same for us.

Speaker 46 Like we were sure, you know, it worked out for us, but I would say I knew myself very well.

Speaker 82 Raleigh knew herself enough at the time.

Speaker 42 She's definitely grown.

Speaker 49 I've kind of said the same.

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 57 And so there is a sense of like, sometimes you get lucky and you're fortunate and you're blessed and it's beautiful.

Speaker 53 And sometimes it can be really hard

Speaker 57 and crazy.

Speaker 16 And I think what I'm hearing from you is just like, it's not an issue if whether you're the rule or the exception or whichever one you think you are, the point is

Speaker 46 just be thoughtful about it.

Speaker 42 Like be because you don't want to, you don't want to rush into something too young.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I also think Ben's a really patient person.
And I definitely did not know who I was literally until I would say a year or two ago. And I think I led with that like sort of insecurity.

Speaker 1 And he was very patient with me. And he was still like dealing and growing with his own thing.
But I don't know if in those early years, if I was like the best version of myself.

Speaker 1 And I think that he really saw in me who, like my potential, and was very measured and really patient. So it takes two people to tango.

Speaker 1 And he definitely is like the kinder, patient one in the relationship. And I'm a little bit more like rough around the edges, if you can imagine.

Speaker 1 And he, I, I would attribute a lot of our marital success to him.

Speaker 95 I love how much you love Ben.

Speaker 1 He's the best.

Speaker 36 Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 61 I can't wait to meet him.

Speaker 67 Oh my God, you've never met him.

Speaker 1 He's downstairs, obviously, on a call. Like, let me tell you, my husband is always on a call.
I don't know who the hell he's talking to.

Speaker 1 Literally this morning, he doesn't answer the phone for 40 minutes. I'm like, where are you? He's like, oh my god, the dog, I'm on a call.

Speaker 67 Who the hell are you talking to? I can't.

Speaker 43 No, it's lovely to see how much you love him.

Speaker 57 Like, it's really beautiful.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I will say, like, one other reason why you shouldn't get married young is I have oddly made so many lifelong friends much later in life.
And these people weren't even at my wedding.

Speaker 1 It's the weirdest thing. Like, and some of these bitches at my wedding, like, girl, I don't know you.
Get out of here. And they're like, in my pictures and shit.

Speaker 1 Also, I wish I had waited because, like, if I had been on Ozempic at my wedding photos, I would have been a lot happier with the end results of the pictures, but that's my fault.

Speaker 67 That's my fault.

Speaker 17 No, I could so relate to that.

Speaker 57 I'm at that, I'm at that stage where I've got a lot of friends who are older than me, and they all are renewing their vows right now.

Speaker 34 Right.

Speaker 72 And they literally were like, Jay, you weren't at my wedding, but I love that you're here.

Speaker 1 How weird because friends change so much from when you get married to so much. And I feel like there's a point in your life where like you, you have made all of your friends.

Speaker 1 And 21 was not that for me at all.

Speaker 68 Yeah, because you haven't worked enough. You haven't lived enough lately.

Speaker 1 And so many of my like best lifelong friends are people I've met through work.

Speaker 17 How does that work?

Speaker 1 Some of my best friends, like Brian and Taylor, like I met, they were guests on our show. You meet a lot of people.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, the reputation of podcasters, content creators, influencers, like is what it is for me.

Speaker 1 You see, like some of them are insufferable, but some of them are just like the most fabulous people you'll ever meet in your entire life. And that's my friends, Brian and Taylor.

Speaker 1 And they were not at my wedding. And sometimes I'll think about that and I'll be like, oh, you shouldn't have waited.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I should have listened to everybody.

Speaker 89 Well, you can renew your vows.

Speaker 1 I know, but you know, they do say that's a curse. I don't know if that's just for the real housewives, but every real housewife who has ever renewed her vows ended up divorced.

Speaker 67 Really?

Speaker 96 Just a fun fact. That's a fact.
Yeah.

Speaker 67 Wow.

Speaker 67 It's a fact, but it's like,

Speaker 1 I don't plan on renewing my vows. Also, I feel like vow renewal is like an inherently non-Jewish thing.
Like Jewish people don't renew their vows.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know a single Jewish person that's renewed her vows. Oh, interesting.
Yeah. I don't know if it's like in the Bible or anything.
I just feel like it's not culturally Jewish.

Speaker 83 Interesting. Got it.
Okay. Understood.
Understood. Yeah.

Speaker 17 It's a, I guess, yeah.

Speaker 42 I, I've, I'm always trying to convince Radi that I want to do it.

Speaker 61 And she's like, yeah, of course you want another wedding because you didn't plan the last one.

Speaker 1 Oh, once I'm so with her on that. Although the only reason I would do it was to, would be, like, to get new pictures because I was like so ugly at my wedding.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like one of my biggest regrets.

Speaker 32 I think Radi would do it for new pictures because she wants, even though she looked absolutely gorgeous she's still she's evolved yeah yeah they're not like

Speaker 1 but i guess they are it's a time capsule you know it's a moment in time not a moment i want to remember

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Speaker 86 How do you decide what parts of your life to share publicly and what parts to keep private?

Speaker 1 I generally just lead with what I'm comfortable with. Like if I wouldn't be ashamed to tell the person next to me on the train, then and I don't really feel shame about a lot of things.

Speaker 1 I feel like maybe that's something I could and should work on. But no, I would say the Ozempic thing is like the one thing I really had to push myself to share.

Speaker 1 But for the most part, I share what's comfortable. And I'm just, I'm an open person.
I think that some people find that inconceivable, but I just am.

Speaker 27 So it's easy for you.

Speaker 16 But you were saying earlier that there's, there's times when you're like, oh, this could be judge. This could, you know, this could be misconstrued.

Speaker 50 And so, and I think that's a really valid point.

Speaker 16 I appreciate you being so honest about it.

Speaker 58 That's why I'm raising it.

Speaker 27 Because I think at one point we were in this phase where we were like, vulnerability means you share everything with everyone.

Speaker 42 And I don't subscribe to that definition of vulnerability. I think vulnerability is actually, I know why I'm sharing it with this person and I feel safe to share it there.

Speaker 27 And so I think that society's had to evolve.

Speaker 42 And then you also see performative vulnerability where people are like literally telling a vulnerable story only because you think you get rewarded for it.

Speaker 42 Totally, exactly, which then ruins the purpose of vulnerability because then it's not vulnerable.

Speaker 57 So it's like this messy space where I'm trying to, I'm constantly reflecting on like, what's truly vulnerable?

Speaker 57 How comfortable do I feel about it?

Speaker 81 What does that mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess then like I

Speaker 1 wouldn't categorize myself as a particularly vulnerable person because when I share things, even things that are deeply personal, I don't feel like it's a big deal. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I'm just an OPE. That's just how I am.
Yeah. So I would feel weirder not telling people things.

Speaker 1 Like, even when I was trying to conceive with Ben, I do a podcast every day and I'm always talking about what's going on in my life and my marriage.

Speaker 1 And, and it was this huge part that I wasn't sharing. And it felt so deceitful.

Speaker 1 It was so foreign to me because I'm so used to saying, yeah, last night I did X, Y, and Z and my color and my underwear is purple.

Speaker 1 Like I'm such a sharer that actually not sharing is what makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 92 Yeah.

Speaker 54 And why did you not share that? What was that?

Speaker 1 You know what? It's like a Jewish superstition thing.

Speaker 67 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 108 Same in our culture.

Speaker 25 Indian culture has that.

Speaker 1 It felt private. Yep.
You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 80 No, no.

Speaker 35 I think Indian culture and Jewish culture are very similar.

Speaker 65 It has a lot in common.

Speaker 16 And yeah, there's definitely, there are definitely certain things that you don't share and you don't want to open up too much about.

Speaker 67 You wait till they're real and taken care of.

Speaker 60 Exactly.

Speaker 42 Yeah, no, no, I respect that and I get that.

Speaker 43 And I think it's, I think it's healthy for people to, to,

Speaker 81 you know, find, I just, I just want to encourage people to think about, you know, whether they're a public figure or not, who you share what with is so important.

Speaker 42 And just don't, don't fall into the trap of, oh, everyone's being vulnerable.

Speaker 53 That's what it means to, you know.

Speaker 70 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I think that's like a byproduct of the internet is like nobody really keeps anything to themselves anymore.

Speaker 1 And I think what started out as like a genuinely like good initiative to like open up about things is now like we're all sharing. We all know a little too much about each other.

Speaker 1 You know, that's how I feel. Let's pull back.
Yeah.

Speaker 71 Sometimes I'll watch something like, wish you didn't tell us that.

Speaker 17 Like, I don't think there was a need for even myself.

Speaker 1 Like, today on the podcast, I was like, I gotta go. I gotta poop.
And it's like, why would I say that? And just say it again.

Speaker 103 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 34 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 And also, one thing's really interesting to me.

Speaker 57 I had a friend, I was at a friend's birthday last month.

Speaker 16 And he said to me, he was like, Jay, like, I noticed you never post what we're doing personally and privately. And I said to him, I said, it's because I'm really lucky.

Speaker 9 I think my

Speaker 61 public life's amazing, but my private life's better than my public life.

Speaker 16 And I imagine a world in which I'm sitting in an old rocking chair talking to my grandkids and talking to family and sharing these stories that no one knows anything about.

Speaker 3 And there's something about that feels really sacred and special to me.

Speaker 42 And I really want that because I remember years ago sitting with someone and I'm not even family or close with him, but I remember sitting on a beach with him and he was an older man.

Speaker 16 I was in my...

Speaker 85 late 20s.

Speaker 53 He was probably in his late 60s.

Speaker 42 And he just had so many life stories to share.

Speaker 85 He wasn't famous.

Speaker 61 He wasn't well known.

Speaker 69 And he just had all these cool stories that I was like, no one's going to know these, but he gets to live them every day.

Speaker 42 And there was something about that. I was like, I want to have memories that are only mine.

Speaker 70 Like, that was important to me.

Speaker 1 I think that that's something I learn as I get older, but it also. makes it complicated when sharing is your life.

Speaker 1 And I feel like there used to be a time when I would literally be sharing a piece of content every 30 minutes. I would have a cocktail and post, which is like so dangerous and stupid.

Speaker 51 But

Speaker 1 oh my God, I used to be like blackout in a drive-thru at Whataburger in Texas, like blackout ordering like a crispy chicken biscuit, like whatever.

Speaker 1 Like, and it was just, it looked so scary and I'd catch a ball over my face. Like, and I think that's why people, you know, that's why I have a lot of the following that I do.

Speaker 1 They loved that life, but that's not my life anymore. And it occurred to me like several years ago that I didn't have to share every thought that I have.
One, it was getting me in trouble.

Speaker 1 And two, like, yeah, some things can just be like thoughts or memories or things that you keep to yourself.

Speaker 1 And so I do feel like my strategy has shifted, but it's tough when that's also how you make a living. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, yeah.
So how do you balance that?

Speaker 1 I'm working on it. Yeah, it's hard.
It is hard. I think that I've gotten much better.
And I look at it a lot like, this is my job.

Speaker 1 We're putting out content like for the job, but it doesn't have to be like the most authentic, 100%, 360-degree view of my life. Like I can have things for myself.

Speaker 50 That's, it's, it's good to know you're working on it.

Speaker 27 That's the point, right? It's like none of us have figured it out.

Speaker 1 No, if I was playing around with it too, I was just like an Instagram story from 2019, I would die. I would die.

Speaker 1 I was out out of control. Like, I just used to say so many things.
Like, stop talking. Okay.
Stop. Like, not everything needs to be shared.

Speaker 73 One thing I want to dive into with you.

Speaker 50 We've talked about Ozempic.

Speaker 59 We've talked about pregnancy.

Speaker 42 We've talked about marriage.

Speaker 36 And of course, we can keep talking about those.

Speaker 85 But I think what often happens with someone like yourself, and I'm projecting because I feel this happens to me sometimes, but I'm projecting this idea that people

Speaker 44 don't see the hard work from a business perspective, the strategy perspective, the sleepless nights, the growth, like you've built something incredible.

Speaker 77 Thank you.

Speaker 53 And it's shadowed, not in a bad way, but it's overshadowed by this amazing persona that you have and your charisma and your aura and everything else, right?

Speaker 57 It's like, it's, that's what we're watching and that's what we're captivated by.

Speaker 51 But there's a really thoughtful business person behind it who's, and I don't mean that from a, oh, you're just figuring out how to build a business.

Speaker 89 No, I know what you mean.

Speaker 57 Yeah, I mean it from like a, you've, you've figured out how to turn a Tumblr

Speaker 96 page into, you know, a business.

Speaker 84 Yeah, exactly, which, which is really amazing.

Speaker 10 And I think so many people today want to do that.

Speaker 70 Right.

Speaker 99 So I wanted to kind of go back to the start and ask you, like, what did you want to be before go with no job?

Speaker 1 That's a great question. I almost like didn't have time to figure it out.
So I started this Tumblr in freshman year of college, which is when people figure out what they want to do.

Speaker 1 And it very slowly, but also quickly became something I was making money off of.

Speaker 1 So much so by the time I graduated, I was making like sponsored Instagram posts for a fee that would have been my salary if I ended up with like a job in media.

Speaker 1 And at the time, like content creation was not a job.

Speaker 1 So when I made the decision, it just made no sense like to sit at a desk and earn a living that was comparatively small to what I was pulling from my Instagram.

Speaker 1 But people were just like, they couldn't believe it. And they're like, it's not going to last forever.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, maybe, but maybe what if I just ran with it?

Speaker 1 and it was really like inconceivable to people that i was not getting a job post-grad and that i would be like on my phone and i understand why because right after that i was making a really good living but i was doing nothing like i was home all day and i was watching a lot of tv and i was like recapping it and writing funny blog posts and i was making money but i was not doing anything like i had no structure to my day i did not set an alarm and

Speaker 1 It was lovely, but it was not fulfilling. And I knew that it wasn't a sustainable way.

Speaker 1 And that's why when we started the podcast, I I loved it so much for a million different reasons, but it gave me structure. It gave me a day.

Speaker 1 Like, and now even to this day, I very much operate like a Monday to Friday, nine to five. I work 40 hours a week, like every other American.

Speaker 1 And I think some people run from that sort of convention. But when you didn't have it, it was like kind of horrible.
So I craved that sort of structure and stability.

Speaker 1 Like, seriously, if you're looking to answer an email for me after five o'clock, I'm not answering. Like, I have boundaries and I love that my life kind of mirrors that conventional work life.

Speaker 1 But that was a goal that Jackie and I like set because this line of work, while yes, it can be very lucrative, it is kind of nuts and it can be a little unstable.

Speaker 1 You have a month where you get a ton of work and a month where you don't get, so it was fun for a girl who was 21, but I knew it wasn't going to be like a sustainable way to live.

Speaker 1 But the funny thing is that I think there's like a large, you know, misconception that like I work an hour a day. People are always saying that to me.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like when you say someone from SNL works an hour a week, like, well, no, you see them an hour a week.

Speaker 1 You see me one hour a day on the show, but there's so much that goes into running a show of that size. And also, it's not the only thing that I do.

Speaker 1 I, yeah, I'm not bothered so much that people think I don't work. Like, whatever, you know, like, sorry, you're dumb.
You don't know how the industry works. Like, bitch, I work hard.
Okay.

Speaker 67 Have you ever had a real job?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Okay.
So, yes, like in the sense that throughout high school and like summers in high school, I was a camp counselor.

Speaker 1 I worked at a toy store by the, when I went to college, all through four years of college, I worked. I had an internship, like a paid five-day a week internship at a media company.

Speaker 1 It was an internship, but it was structured like a corporate job so yes i did work in a corporate office for four years never like full full time because i was part-time student and i probably would have worked at that media company post-grad if i didn't decide to become a full-time content creator um so like yes and no yeah what did you learn from the toy store the internship that working at a toy store was not for me like seriously gift gift wrapping is hell on earth

Speaker 1 I still can't do it. And honestly, when anybody asked me to wrap a gift, I actually have trauma from that fucking store.
Really? Yeah, it was horrible. Like that stupid gift wrapping section.

Speaker 1 Like, no matter how many times somebody showed me how to do it, like, I could not fucking do it.

Speaker 63 Here I am trying to make this amazing point that you.

Speaker 56 Yeah, sorry. Continue your point.
Just know that.

Speaker 37 I was trying to put forward this idea that maybe you picked up all these really cool skills that help you in your career today.

Speaker 1 But actually, I will say, like, when you have a toy story, like having to talk to strangers who you don't know and like pretend like you know what you're talking about, that builds character.

Speaker 1 That builds actually like a great personable vibe.

Speaker 1 In the corporate space,

Speaker 1 I don't feel like I learned much, honestly.

Speaker 1 I liked the free lunch. Like, it was amazing.
It was one of those big companies that gives you free lunch. And there were snacks everywhere, like free snacks.
I was always eating goldfish and MMs.

Speaker 1 And I liked, I don't know, actually. My sisters worked at the same company.
It was this huge company with like different media companies within it. So they all worked at different companies.

Speaker 1 So we all would have lunch together. I have very fond memories of that time.
And I think it's a good corporate like media, especially that's like a lot of women.

Speaker 1 It's a good environment to learn how to talk to people, learn how to deal with like workplace antics and people's personalities.

Speaker 1 And sometimes I do miss, like, I think there's a lot of stability that comes with a corporate job, especially when you're thinking about like motherhood.

Speaker 1 I mean, some of these bitches over here with their six months paid maternity leave, like that is a joy. And their corporate health insurance.

Speaker 1 There are a lot of things about like what people consider a boring corporate life that actually as somebody without a lot of, like without a lot of that, I'm very envious of, especially when I'm like entering this phase of my life.

Speaker 1 Like me and my husband both have our own companies. Like we don't have maternity leave.
We leave and the company suffers. Do you know what I mean? There's no built-in.

Speaker 1 We have our own two-person health insurance. It's expensive and it sucks.
Okay. Like, people, there is a little bit of that privilege from the corporate life.

Speaker 1 And I know people who are in corporate would look at someone like me and be like, oh, I always wanted to be my own boss. And it's great.
But, you know, there's no insurance.

Speaker 71 Yeah, there's pros and cons here.

Speaker 1 There is, 100%. And I feel like I'm only, as I get older, appreciating the pros of that sort of what people would say more stereotypically boring life.

Speaker 80 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I think that stigma needs to go as well.

Speaker 102 I think that there was this whole cultural shift towards entrepreneurship, quit your job, build your passion, da, da, da, da.

Speaker 99 And it's like, I don't think either is for everyone.

Speaker 102 And I think we've kind of made, like, I think.

Speaker 1 We've put more value on the ladder, the entrepreneurship. Correct.

Speaker 1 But to be clear, I feel like we did people a disservice when we did that because there is something lovely about a boring job that doesn't keep you up all night, that you can set boundaries with, that pays, that makes, that pays your bills, and you don't owe any, you don't overrun the company.

Speaker 1 If things are going south, that's literally not my problem. Like there is a peace in that.
Yeah. Now you don't have as much creative control.

Speaker 67 Who cares?

Speaker 48 Yeah. And also just like, I think about this very often.

Speaker 49 Like, I couldn't do anything without my team.

Speaker 61 My team are all employed.

Speaker 57 Right.

Speaker 49 Like, and it's like, I couldn't last without them.

Speaker 1 So it's like one of the best parts, though. It's amazing.
It's about being a business owner. It's like other people making their living from you.
I love it.

Speaker 83 It's the best feeling in the world.

Speaker 1 It's the craziest feeling.

Speaker 87 Yeah. It's the most fulfilling feeling.

Speaker 69 And I know I couldn't do anything without them, which is why I value them.

Speaker 35 Like, oh, we can all push entrepreneurship to the hill.

Speaker 67 Right.

Speaker 16 But it's like, what would we do without our amazing team members?

Speaker 42 Like, I know I wouldn't survive. My chief of staff was like unwell for like a week.

Speaker 92 And I was just like, I was like, I don't know what to do. Right.

Speaker 1 You know, that toxic, like, hustle culture entrepreneurship. I'm not a fan of.
Yeah.

Speaker 41 And, but was there ever a time you had to do it?

Speaker 51 Was there ever a time you did have to work 24-7?

Speaker 1 Before, when, when things started to really blow up for me, but it wasn't this like standardized economy like it is now. Like there's a formula.

Speaker 1 You blow up on Instagram, you get an agent, you get a manager, you get a rate card, you get a media kit. Like, no, that was like not the case for me.

Speaker 1 So when things started to work work really quickly, I was doing all my own deals. I did not have a publicist.
I did not have a manager. I did not have an agent.
I didn't have an assistant.

Speaker 1 It was literally just me. And it was manageable because it was my full-time job, but I don't know shit about fuck.
Like I'm literally 17, like somebody help.

Speaker 1 So I was just kind of making it up as I went. And I think people really underestimated me because I was advocating on my own behalf.
I was 18.

Speaker 1 I'm much better now, but I used to have like a really thick Long Island accent. And I was just like, every other word out of my mouth is like and totally.

Speaker 1 And it's not necessarily giving you, you know, woman so i would get underestimated a lot and it was a unique time now the girlies and boys but mostly girlies who end up doing what i do now it's kind of all set up for them but at the time it wasn't a thing people like a brand would reach out and based on like if it was a brand i heard of like one of the first brands i ever worked with was burger king and they're like how much would you want to and i was like

Speaker 1 a thousand dollars and they were like okay and i was like bitch a thousand dollars i bought a purse i was like and then i forgot like i had to pay taxes but whatever

Speaker 1 And that's another thing, by the way, when you do this line of work and nobody teaches you how to do your taxes, not me getting a bill from the government like in 2018 for like a hundred thousand dollars and don't pay taxes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And my biggest fear is going to jail.
But yeah, that's another thing they don't tell you and nobody teaches you. You kind of just have to learn along the way.

Speaker 1 Now I feel like it's pretty set up where if you join this line of work, there are certain business managers and accounts who know how to do this.

Speaker 1 But at the time when I was getting started, it was like, girl, you're on your own. Good luck.

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Speaker 58 Have you ever been close to going to jail?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 If only I was that interesting. Like when I was a senior in high school, I went to go visit my sister Jackie at college and it was a flight.
So I packed up my things.

Speaker 1 I didn't have a, so I grew up in Manhattan, so I didn't have a license at the time, which used to make traveling really hard because I didn't have any form of identification.

Speaker 1 I used to give them my high school ID. They're like, this is not legally admissible.
So I'd be like, I don't have a license. Sorry.
I'm literally 17 and I don't have a driver.

Speaker 1 I don't have a driver's license. And for some reason, they pulled my bag and they were going through my wallet and they found my fake ID.
And they were like, I thought you didn't have.

Speaker 1 Now, now I realize they were like doing this to scare me. But at the time, I thought I was really going to jail.
They brought a a cop out. She wants to call my parents.
She's,

Speaker 1 she's swiping my hands. You know, when you ever get like that, and they're like, you tested positive for explosives.
I'm like, bitch, what are you talking about? I'm literally a high school student.

Speaker 19 Wait, how do you test positive for explosives?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, I had gotten a manicure, so I imagined there was like some chemicals on my hands, but like, it was so, they were really trying to scare me.

Speaker 1 And this police officer was like, listen, I think you're a good kid. I'm going to let you go.
And I ran for my fucking life. I was so afraid.
But I was never, I didn't break the law.

Speaker 1 I didn't say that this was my idea. It could have been my cousin, Sandra.

Speaker 1 Like, it was the scared, most scared I've ever been in my life and probably the closest I've ever gotten to going to jail, which is like not that close.

Speaker 67 Still, it was scary.

Speaker 1 It was scary. And let it be a lesson to any of the minors listening.
Like, put your fake ID in your check bag.

Speaker 44 Got it. Yeah.
Put your fake ID in the check bag.

Speaker 1 Don't say I never touch anything.

Speaker 15 What advice would you have?

Speaker 49 Like, you were saying, like, it seems like, and I agree with you, there is more set up.

Speaker 49 We kind of, I think our careers actually, we didn't know each other then, but they took off around the same time.

Speaker 95 Mine was 2016 as well.

Speaker 72 I was a lot older.

Speaker 42 I was 28.

Speaker 67 Okay, yeah. So 27, 28.

Speaker 1 So you had like a pretty good idea of the world.

Speaker 102 Yeah, to some degree, for sure.

Speaker 89 I mean, I never knew a person.

Speaker 74 I'd never known anyone who'd worked in entertainment, anyone who'd worked in media, anyone who'd done outside, anything outside of London.

Speaker 63 So it was a whole new world for me completely.

Speaker 42 But you're right.

Speaker 69 There are more systems today than there were then.

Speaker 63 What advice would you have for people who are at the age you were when you first blew up, like 17, 18 years old?

Speaker 57 Because that's happening more and more now.

Speaker 78 Like you were more of an anomaly. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's become a lot of people.

Speaker 67 Now I'm old in the space.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have two really hardcore pieces. Yeah, I mean, you're ancient.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 I have two extremely important pieces of advice.

Speaker 1 If you find yourself wanting to get into this line of work, like I don't care who you are, where you're from, what you've done, delete all your old social media posts.

Speaker 1 Like none of it is going to age well. It's going to come back to bite you in the ass and it's going to ruin your life.

Speaker 1 Like if I had to go through what I went through, like everybody found my old tweets and they were like, oh my god, she's fucking crazy. Delete your tweets.

Speaker 1 I can't believe people are still having their tweets.

Speaker 1 Girl, delete your tweets like stop that's the first second of all is every dollar you make put 50 cents in a savings account for your taxes because that's depending on where you live like that's what it is it's half and the good thing is sometimes you save too much and then you get a little left over but just know if somebody pays you a hundred dollars you got 50.

Speaker 1 yeah very pragmatic advice well the taxes have ruined my life like oh tell me about it when when before i had a business manager trying to do my own taxes with like an old school accountant who like i think i got from like a family member they had no idea what i did for a living and so i was underpaying i was under reporting i was not getting any like 1099s from the brands that i work with it was such a mess it was the wild wild west so much so that years later i got that huge bill and it was like the worst thing to ever happen to me i almost had to go on a payment plan with the government like it was so crazy and i think that happens a lot in entertainment especially this like new wave of social media entertainers so finding a an accountant, a business manager, or teaching yourself, that's fine.

Speaker 1 But as long as you're putting away half of what you make for taxes, like you're safe.

Speaker 70 Yeah.

Speaker 61 Don't you think it's incredible how much you've learned in the last eight years?

Speaker 62 Yes.

Speaker 1 Sometimes I go back and like read my old emails of like me like talking to people. And I'm like, girl, that's the worst email ever.
But it's like so cool to see how

Speaker 1 different I speak now and how I think a lot smarter and able to advocate on my own behalf. And

Speaker 1 the little girl sending those emails from her couch, like that's who I am.

Speaker 51 Yeah. That's fake.

Speaker 70 Did you ever pretend to be your own manager?

Speaker 1 A thousand percent. That was the name.
Rebecca, I was always pretending to be my own assistant, like trying to get dinner reservations, trying to set up calls. Claudia's available.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, it's like literally me.

Speaker 89 And it worked.

Speaker 67 A hundred percent. It worked.

Speaker 26 Do they negotiate on your behalf sometimes?

Speaker 1 Well, I actually was always negotiating on my own behalf.

Speaker 1 And I, because I always found that, like, so many of the girls who worked at media companies, worked at agencies, these account managers were followers of mine, were listeners to the toast.

Speaker 1 And that's always worked on my own behalf. Actually, I think like a huge demographic of my following is media girls, girls who work at brands, who work at agencies.

Speaker 1 And so it's always kind of benefited me to lead with me

Speaker 1 because they're excited to work and they want to to make it work. And look, it's turning on the other line.

Speaker 53 If someone wants to be the next you and start the toast and, you know, start their version.

Speaker 1 Don't, don't. Everybody's set.
The toast is enough.

Speaker 36 What advice would you have for someone who's listening to you, watching you going, I want to build that.

Speaker 60 I want to create that.

Speaker 86 Where should they start?

Speaker 46 What should they think about?

Speaker 1 Well, I would just get started. I think a lot of people are always talking about they're like making strategy plans and outlines for projects.
Just get the project up and running.

Speaker 1 You can record a podcast on your phone. The voice memo app actually is very high quality audio.
It's good enough for a starting podcast.

Speaker 1 Then you can start to make money, invest in the Shure microphones that everybody has. But before then, like, just get started.

Speaker 1 People are always like throwing lunch parties for things that don't exist yet.

Speaker 89 Like, just get to work. Do it.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 58 Don't, don't overthink it.

Speaker 1 No. And it's also like, it's a podcast.
Okay. It's not like the nuclear program.
It's just, just talk.

Speaker 96 What's the nuclear program?

Speaker 67 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I was trying to sound smart.

Speaker 67 I couldn't think of anything.

Speaker 80 No, I love it.

Speaker 95 I couldn't agree with you more as well.

Speaker 82 I think there's just such a, I feel like we're all stifling ourselves by procrastinating.

Speaker 1 And we're afraid of being judged, right? We want to put something out that's perfect, but it's like, you don't get far without people making fun of you.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm sure my old posts used to get sent around in my high school, like, oh my God, look what Claudia is doing. Cringe, cringe, cringe.
Well, it's not so cringe anymore.

Speaker 1 Like, girl, because I'm successful and you're not. But yeah, that's just part.
If you, if you can't take being mocked, like.

Speaker 1 I wish that weren't the case because people are cruel and it is what it is. And think about how you talk to your friends about people on social media.
Someone's going to talk about you like that.

Speaker 1 And you have to be okay with that.

Speaker 70 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you lose any friends along the way no actually i've always been really good i've never been that girl with like a thousand friends i've always had like five really good friends and they're the same friends i love that i love that too they're i have like the best friends um but you know you do notice people treating you differently like peripherally um and whenever anybody like started being extra nice or whatever i always accepted it like sure you want me to come to your hampton's house i'll be there but you know you got to keep note of people who only started acting that way at a certain time in your life yeah yeah yeah you have yeah there is definitely that switch And, and yeah, I'm the same as you.

Speaker 61 I have all my same friends from back in the day. I can't wait.
I literally fly to London tonight to see everyone.

Speaker 16 It's the best.

Speaker 48 Looking forward to just, yeah, just catching up, kicking it.

Speaker 57 And it's, it's one of those things that I feel so fortunate that I had such a good group of friends before everything took off.

Speaker 49 You must feel that with Ben too, because it was around the same time.

Speaker 1 So I was like, Yeah, I guess I met Ben freshman year and freshman year is also when I started my blog. I don't think it really took off till a year later, but he's been there since the very beginning.

Speaker 92 Yeah.

Speaker 50 How, how, how much do you think that?

Speaker 1 That's a good question.

Speaker 1 Well, I often like thank the Lord that I don't have to date at all, period, because I think dating in this day and age is horrible, but also like with my weird job, like I think it would just, I wouldn't even know how to explain it to people.

Speaker 1 And like, I would just feel so like awkward and embarrassed. So I'm like grateful for that.

Speaker 1 But again, I think having this really stable force in my life and Ben when it came to, when it came to like, you know, how I felt about myself, how I felt about my job, like, I think stability is so beneficial when you're trying to build a business.

Speaker 1 And like having someone to come home to and having a very stable personal life, I think it allowed me to be a little nutty in different areas of my life, like my job.

Speaker 1 Because I didn't have to worry that I was going to come home and it would be chaos. Like Ben was always there.
Just, how was your day?

Speaker 20 Yeah, I think that's what it is.

Speaker 57 You just hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 86 I think there's certain stages in life where you go, if I decide this, it now no longer takes up any space.

Speaker 69 I felt that way about getting married.

Speaker 42 I felt that way about deciding what city we were going to live in.

Speaker 74 Because when we first moved to the States, we lived in New York for two years.

Speaker 34 Then we moved to LA.

Speaker 54 We've been there for six years.

Speaker 36 When we decided we were living in LA and we got our place, it was like another thing.

Speaker 48 Settled.

Speaker 17 There was a settled that freed up space.

Speaker 42 And I think we're currently living at a time where we struggle to make decisions

Speaker 16 because we don't want to kind of, you know, put our roots down.

Speaker 92 But actually that creates more chaos in our lives.

Speaker 1 A thousand percent. And I think we also live in a culture that values that sort of like, wonderless.
So I live in my car and I don't care. I don't have a job.

Speaker 1 Well, I like a little bit structure, a little bit boring, a little bit settled. I think that's me getting older, but I also think it's just like

Speaker 1 there's value in also leading a very sort of ordinary person. That's one of my sister's favorite quotes.
I forget, it's like, you know, being

Speaker 1 ordinary in your personal life so you can be violent in your creative or artistic life. Cause it's like, you can't have a million balls in the air at one time.
But so to have a very,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say regular, because I feel like that has a negative connotation, but like a very peaceful, very settled private life, it really does allow you to, you know, for me, it's my work.

Speaker 1 For anyone, it could be something else, just to like, I don't know, fuck shit up, you know?

Speaker 46 What's what's the hardest part about working with family?

Speaker 92 And what's there isn't one, really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, and I'm unique in that. I think some people have different family issues.
I could never, I mean, look at how many female podcasting duos that it's every day.

Speaker 1 We're talking about another one breaking them up. Me and Jackie will be podcasting to the day that we die.
Like, we are bound by blood. Um, she's the only person I can really talk to, honestly.

Speaker 1 Like, I think a lot of people think I'm very confrontational because I'm loud and like a little aggressive.

Speaker 1 But actually, like, if I have a problem with you i'll just start crying like i cannot talk to people um except my sister i could say whatever i want and it just like i don't have a single complaint about working with family that's amazing yeah i know

Speaker 1 i know i love that me too to some people they're like so confused by it for me i wouldn't have it any other way yeah no i love that for you i'm glad i mean it's It's the best thing when it works.

Speaker 67 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 And I know I'm special and lucky that it does work.

Speaker 27 How has your relationship had to change?

Speaker 74 Like, what's it meant to keep that up?

Speaker 99 Like, what have you had to do in order to have a sister relationship and a business partner relationship?

Speaker 20 Because, or are all your conversations always about the podcast?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's so intertwined, but interestingly enough, when Jackie and I were growing up, we're four sisters total from top to bottom. Like, there's six years between us.

Speaker 1 So we're all really tight. And we were all really tight growing up.
You know, there were different dynamics as we got older.

Speaker 1 Like in the beginning, it was always the two older sisters and the two younger sisters, me and Margo.

Speaker 1 Like we were just sort of divided by age and Olivia and Jackie would like leave us out and me and Margo were just like sharing a room. So we were like, okay, whatever.
I guess it's just us.

Speaker 1 And then as we got older, my interests started to align a lot more with Olivia's.

Speaker 1 And then Jackie and Margo became like really similar and really close. So the dynamics of what we shifted, but the dynamics when we were kids were never Jackie and I.

Speaker 1 We actually probably got along the least. We didn't fight.
We didn't hate each other. We just were not drawn to one another.
So I would say we were probably the least close out of all four.

Speaker 1 Not that we had issues, but we were just not,

Speaker 1 I don't think we understood each other. Jackie's very reserved.
Jackie's very quiet, but not shy. Quiet.
Me, I'm spreading my legs for everybody. I'm like, what's up? Who do you want to talk to?

Speaker 1 Let's go here. Let's go there.

Speaker 1 So I think that I thought she was like, you know, weird and she thought I was weird. We didn't understand one another.

Speaker 1 And then when we started to work together, our differences ended up, you know, working in our favor. It made the conversations on the podcast more dynamic.

Speaker 1 And we just very naturally became so close through work, but also we were talking all the time, you know?

Speaker 58 So wait, when you're, when you're putting out an episode, how much of it have you talked about before?

Speaker 15 Zero.

Speaker 19 Zero, literally zero.

Speaker 1 Zero. Every single episode is completely off the cuff.
Everything about it.

Speaker 1 We have like five topics that we need to hit every day, whatever the news of the day is, but everything else is completely off the cuff. Like we've never once had a conversation.

Speaker 1 Sometimes we used to sit on FaceTime for like an hour before we would start recording to get set up and we would just end up talking. And we actually felt like it was ruining the show.

Speaker 1 She calls me at 10.30 and we start recording at 10.31. Like we do not, because we don't want to waste any of the,

Speaker 1 we'll never recreate a conversation. That's so fake.
Like we just go for it.

Speaker 62 That's amazing.

Speaker 49 So that way you're really catching up in that time too.

Speaker 102 Exactly.

Speaker 57 Because you're avoiding talking the night before.

Speaker 104 Exactly.

Speaker 16 You saying what you did.

Speaker 1 And she lives in a different state. So we have a lot to catch up on.

Speaker 84 How, when did she move?

Speaker 67 And when did you go?

Speaker 1 She moved, I think 2021.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay, it's the end of the show. Like, we'll do remote, but who the hell wants to listen to remote podcasters? Like, it's so COVID-y and it sucks.

Speaker 1 And I knew that it was the beginning of the end. And I was freaking a little bit.
And let me tell you, it's the best thing to ever happen to us. One,

Speaker 1 because of COVID, we were forced to really invest in the tech. So there's actually no delay.
There's no lag. A lot of people don't know that we live in separate states.

Speaker 1 So I think a lot of times people are shocked to find out that Jackie doesn't live in New York anymore,

Speaker 1 which makes me so happy. And two, a little bit of the distance physically has benefited us greatly because we're no longer on top of each other.

Speaker 1 And we get to, like you say, have these natural catch up conversations that

Speaker 1 we might not be having if she lived down the block for me, which she did for many years. So it's actually been the best thing to happen to the show.

Speaker 1 And I thought it was going to be like the beginning of the end.

Speaker 38 What makes you feel like when you've recorded a great episode?

Speaker 42 How do you know?

Speaker 1 Oh my God, when we just laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh. Like sometimes we are just so silly that I don't even think we're speaking English anymore.

Speaker 1 Like it's just that sisterly thing where you really only act so nuts with your sister. Those are the best episodes, like true belly laughs.

Speaker 80 Yeah.

Speaker 53 And that is something you can only do with someone you know very well. Exactly.
Very well.

Speaker 15 Exactly.

Speaker 1 And do you guys call each other afterwards and like oh my god you are so funny that's a good question no actually it's so um routine to us yeah it's become yeah that's kind of sad we should be like listen that was so funny um no we don't do that but it kind of protects why that hour is so good yes right like that's the point like and we're not trying so hard like we're just talking yeah yeah that's it's such a special skill it's actually such a special talent i agree that podcasting is a skill and it's a talent because i think every i mean the running joke is like you know everybody has a podcast not everybody should But there are a lot of failed podcasts.

Speaker 1 And I think that a lot of people think like, yeah, I could talk for an hour a week. Well, I actually don't think you could.

Speaker 1 It is an art, especially with a co-host, especially as an interviewer, when to talk, when to listen, when to stop. And so a lot of people don't possess that skill.

Speaker 1 And I appreciate you saying that because it's definitely a skill the same way like, you know, any other job is a skill, like if you're a mathematician, you know, you, you need a certain set of skills and podcasting definitely requires that too.

Speaker 17 Yeah, no, I just like to point it out because I think we just, it is that.

Speaker 61 I had so many friends who are just like, I remember when, when I first started creating content, and all my friends are like, oh, we can do that.

Speaker 42 And then it was like this whole journey where everyone realizes that it's different.

Speaker 46 And I think with you, because it's so natural and because it's so off the cuff, it can often be, you can kind of be like, oh, yeah, well, that's whatever.

Speaker 62 But it's like, no, no, no, there's, there's a real talent, there's a skill there.

Speaker 84 How much have you practiced over the years?

Speaker 20 Or was this who you were?

Speaker 32 at school with your friends?

Speaker 84 Like, is this just who you've been?

Speaker 99 Where was the training?

Speaker 1 Where were the reps? It's, this is always who I've been. Like very like

Speaker 1 leading with, like, I've always loved attention. I've always loved to talk.
I've always loved to make people laugh.

Speaker 1 But I do think that I have practiced and rehearsed a little bit in recent years, just knowing when to listen. That's always been my,

Speaker 1 that's the biggest critique people have of me on the show. And they're totally valid in that.
I never let my sister talk. I talk over people.
I'm sure I've done it to you. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 Like, and I'm really trying.

Speaker 1 It's one of my worst skills personally and professionally. I do it at a dinner party.
It's so annoying. And like when other people do do it, I'm like, oh my God, she didn't shut up.

Speaker 1 And people are like, bitch, that's you. So I am working on that.
I used to be much worse.

Speaker 1 So it's a work in progress, but it's important to know like your skills, but it's also important to know what you're not good at. And I know that I'm not good at knowing when it's my time to listen.

Speaker 67 Like right now.

Speaker 102 Have you ever measured how fast you talk?

Speaker 1 No, but I know it's insane. And if you can believe it,

Speaker 1 I used to talk so much fast.

Speaker 19 And it's funny because me and you, I'm at the opposite end.

Speaker 20 Like I usually talk so slowly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're very measured.

Speaker 16 Yeah, you notice it's so funny because when we're together, I'm just like, I'm speeding up slightly just to.

Speaker 1 Jay, I need you to listen to episodes of The Toast from like 2019. I used to swallow full paragraphs.
Like, I don't even know what I was saying. You think it's fast now?

Speaker 1 To me, this is me being so much better. It's amazing.
It used to be really bad.

Speaker 108 It's amazing.

Speaker 57 Have you, you talked about their like wanting attention? And I think anyone who's doing something publicly, naturally, there is a part of them that enjoys the attention, enjoys.

Speaker 57 I always say, like, I love when people come up to me on the street and say say hello.

Speaker 36 I tell people in the podcast to say, hey, if you see me, come and say hello.

Speaker 95 I want to say hello to you.

Speaker 46 I really appreciate the feedback and the energy I get.

Speaker 42 I had a, I was walking a few years ago now, quite a while ago, with one of my clients who's a well-known actor.

Speaker 61 He gets recognized a hundred times for every one time I get recognized.

Speaker 54 So super well-known and successful.

Speaker 30 And like, he'd get stopped.

Speaker 42 I'd get stopped once.

Speaker 66 He'd get stopped multiple times. I'd get stopped once.

Speaker 43 And I asked him, like, how does that feel?

Speaker 16 And he said, you know what? He goes, Jay, you're really lucky.

Speaker 42 And I was like, like, why?

Speaker 74 And he said, you're lucky because people stop me for who I pretend to be and people stop you for who you are.

Speaker 92 And I was like, wow, like that really stayed with me.

Speaker 84 Yeah, it really stayed with me.

Speaker 17 It was one of those.

Speaker 1 Can you not tell us who it was?

Speaker 34 No, I can't.

Speaker 67 But it was like, no fun.

Speaker 41 But it was, I, that's my private part.

Speaker 68 Of course, of course.

Speaker 1 You'll tell me after we stop recording.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 57 But, but that was one of my favorite moments.

Speaker 16 It stayed with me ever since that.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 49 Like, and same with you. Like, people, when they're coming up to you and saying the toast is amazing.

Speaker 91 Or when I keep hearing, Jay, we heard you on the toast.

Speaker 33 It was so fun.

Speaker 9 And, you know, when I get that feedback from people, I'm thinking, oh, wow, like you're doing that.

Speaker 75 How have you been careful about your relationship with attention so that it doesn't get unhealthy?

Speaker 66 How have you thought about that?

Speaker 1 You know, it's so funny. The more attention you get, the less you want it.

Speaker 1 And so I think as somebody who was an attention whorer, seeking, I was an attention seeking whore growing up my whole life, to end up in a line of work where you get a lot of it, it's fulfilling.

Speaker 1 for a second and then it's like enough and i actually feel like i say i'm an attention i'm actually really not so much anymore um i like i I got the attention that I wanted and it felt good, but it didn't solve all my problems like I thought it was going to.

Speaker 1 So not that anybody who's, you know,

Speaker 1 is an attention seeker should get the attention because then it'll, it's kind of a problem that fixes itself.

Speaker 1 But I'm really not, I think when people meet me like on the street, sometimes they're a little taken aback. How actually I'm not like a dancing monkey.

Speaker 1 Like I'm not so crazy all the time, like making jokes on like,

Speaker 1 I actually, and definitely as I've gotten older, like a little bit more pulled back.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm still a little nuts more than the average person, but not, not, I think as much as people would expect.

Speaker 44 What part of your confidence are you still working on?

Speaker 1 I'm really not, honestly.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel very confident in all aspects of my life. Like, I know that I'm great at my job.
I know I'm a great wife. I know I'm literally gorgeous.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't feel like I'm lacking confidence in any area, honestly.

Speaker 25 Wow.

Speaker 1 I have a lot of other problems, though, but not that. Like, oh, girl, where do I begin? Okay.

Speaker 1 What would I say is my biggest problem?

Speaker 1 I actually would say my biggest problem is sometimes my humor can be mean. And I think that's like the worst type of humor.
And I'm actually really working on it.

Speaker 1 Like when you poke fun at someone, sometimes I feel like I really take it too far.

Speaker 1 Like it's okay to like think something and not say it because I've noticed that a lot that I sometimes border on mean and I don't like being mean. That's not funny to me.

Speaker 1 I think some people feel like they have to be mean in order to be funny. And that's not true.
I can be funny without being mean.

Speaker 95 Yeah. And that's something you're working on.

Speaker 1 Yes. Like sometimes I'll say something.
I'll be like, damn, that was rough, you know? Like, and so I'm aware of it. And I'm really trying to stop.
Yeah. Who knows if I will?

Speaker 1 At least I'm aware of it.

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Speaker 72 You love the

Speaker 61 1% evil.

Speaker 62 It's fun. Yeah.

Speaker 31 Yeah. Yeah.
It's,

Speaker 48 no, that's so beautiful to hear.

Speaker 42 I mean, to hear you say, hey, you know what?

Speaker 85 I'm actually really confident. I love hearing that.

Speaker 61 I love it when someone says that because.

Speaker 1 It's a journey.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 92 No, but I mean...

Speaker 1 you've not that you've arrived because there is no arrival but the idea that you feel that way i mean that doesn't mean that like i don't see a picture of myself and like literally want to die but i don't try not to place too much value on that because there are other parts of me that are worthy, probably more worthy than how I look.

Speaker 1 But I am a shallow person. I do place a lot of emphasis and value on my physical appearance.

Speaker 74 Yeah. Is that something you've ever tried to change or shift or you've just accepted?

Speaker 1 It's actually like a new thing. I think since losing weight, I've kind of become obsessed with it.
And that's like one thing that I've gained during my weight loss journey that I don't like.

Speaker 1 The obsession with how I look. Because before, like, I knew I didn't look great.
So like whatever, you know, I worked on other things.

Speaker 1 But then I started to really like the way that I looked on the Ozempic journey and I kind of became obsessed with it

Speaker 1 like I used to weigh myself and be like I mean it's not great, but whatever then I would lose weight and when I would weigh myself and it wasn't exactly what I wanted I would be so hard on myself and I used to not care about that So that's actually something I'm working on but with a pregnancy like it's a problem for later May yeah of course.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't fix everything all at once. Okay.
I'm not Jay Shetting.

Speaker 58 No, no, no, trust me, I can't either, but no, but it's interesting how sometimes the things we work on more become our greatest stresses.

Speaker 67 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's That's definitely how I feel with my weight. Yeah.

Speaker 16 And it's one of those things that it's, but the great thing is you're aware. And I think that's what I always think about.

Speaker 49 I remember when Kevin Hart came on the podcast, he was talking about how in a very different context, but he was talking about how like some of the mistakes he made and not comparing at all, but he was talking about some of the mistakes he made.

Speaker 57 And they came from a place of him feeling like. this was never going to go away.
And then he was like, now I need to deal with the fact that one day I may not be as famous or successful as whatever.

Speaker 1 And it was just really interesting him saying that when I still think he's crushing it and killing it and he's like, you know, but how we perceive people versus how they perceive themselves is so interesting.

Speaker 88 Correct. Yeah.

Speaker 36 And that's what I find is always fascinating because you think someone's peaking, living the best life.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 76 And in their head, they're like, oh, I'm insignificant right now.

Speaker 104 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it does.

Speaker 1 Not that you want people to feel poorly about themselves, but seeing someone whom you perceive to be on top of the world talk about how they perceive themselves and it's not necessarily like the best, there is like solace in that.

Speaker 1 Like even people who are killing it and rich and famous, like even they hate themselves. So who cares if I do?

Speaker 67 You know?

Speaker 57 I wanted to end with talking about, you know, you talked a lot about last year losing your dog, which

Speaker 1 I think no one prepares you for.

Speaker 95 Yeah, I had so many friends who sadly went through the same thing in the last 12 months.

Speaker 31 I don't know what it was about the last 12 months.

Speaker 43 And maybe it's sadly always the case, but at least in my life, I had so many people telling me that.

Speaker 86 I had my business manager, a really close friend, like just so many people in life.

Speaker 66 We had Taylor Hill who came on the podcast and talked about the loss of her dog, Tate, and just how hard that was for her.

Speaker 16 What has been your greatest lesson for grief in that journey?

Speaker 1 So funny because, you know, I lost my dad when I was in the eighth grade, or excuse me, the ninth grade, like literally the first month of high school, worst time ever. And it was extremely hard.

Speaker 1 And I actually feel like being younger, I was able to bounce back a little bit more. I remember going through that and really, I had just transferred schools and then my dad passed.

Speaker 1 And I really didn't want to be known as like the girl with the dead dad. So I remember making an active effort to get back to my life and I leaned so heavily into my sisters.

Speaker 1 And that's really why my sisters and I are so close. And my friends and extra school, and I really, and that's just being a kid, right? You're more susceptible, you're more adaptable.

Speaker 1 Like you just bounce back. And I've found like when, you know, friends of mine now are losing parents, like it's so much harder.
Like you're an adult, you understand the importance of life.

Speaker 1 You have kids of your own. And so.
Not that it's the same at all, but like losing my dog at 29 was like the first experience with grief as an adult. And let me tell you, it is so much harder.

Speaker 1 And this was, you know, a dog, not a human being. The difference was, and I have long wondered, my dad passed away overnight.
Like he was not sick.

Speaker 1 He had a heart attack and he died before he even got to the hospital, like completely kind of freak accident.

Speaker 1 And people always talk about like, is it better, you know, for someone to die like that or to get a chance to say goodbye to somebody who has like a terminal illness, but you have to watch them suffer for months.

Speaker 1 And I feel like there's no right answer, just everybody thinks their own. And I never really knew what the answer was.
But with Theo, he had terminal cancer and we we ended up putting him down.

Speaker 1 But so we lived with the cancer, I want to say for like two or three weeks, like really not a long time. It was the worst time of my life.
Like it was worse than when he actually had died.

Speaker 1 Like seeing something you, someone you love so much be in such pain, it's not worth being able to say goodbye, honestly. So oddly, that experience brought me peace with my dad.

Speaker 1 Like I like, yeah, I didn't get to say goodbye, but like. I didn't have to watch him suffer.
Like that's, it's definitely worse.

Speaker 1 And so the older I get, the actually the harder grief is, you know, like like I remember getting married and being like so angry that my dad wasn't going to be there and feeling like this was so unfair, but I hadn't really felt that anger up until that point.

Speaker 1 Like the older you get, the more important life moments, marriage, kids, you realize like how much you need a parent.

Speaker 1 And so as a kid, like, yeah, okay, he's not at my soccer game, but like you just are, you're more resilient as a kid. You really are.
And so going through grief as an adult is 45 times harder.

Speaker 1 And that was just with my dog, you know, whom I loved more than anything, but a dog is not a person. And it was

Speaker 1 the most challenging thing. I actually don't even remember it.
I blacked out that part of my life. It's coming up on a year, actually, like this week.

Speaker 1 It was the hardest thing I'd ever been through in my life. Like, seriously, I like, I, I can't believe, I don't even think about that time because it was so, it was traumatizing.

Speaker 53 That's so profound, though, the connection between the two.

Speaker 74 I know.

Speaker 1 Well, it was, they were so polar opposite. It's like, would I've, I think I actually would have preferred just like to take Theo to the doctor and have him die.

Speaker 1 Like the three weeks of diapers of medicine, oh my God, it was horrible.

Speaker 1 And I felt like I was doing the wrong thing because, you know, it's cruel to keep a dog like that alive for your own, they're so clearly in pain. It's the right thing to do to put them down.

Speaker 1 And if you're selfishly keeping them, and I said, I'm not going to do that. And so when we woke up one morning, it was so clear that he was suffering.
We were like, listen, this is cruel.

Speaker 1 We're keeping him alive for us. Like we knew we had to do that.
And with my dad, like I had always felt like, oh my God, I never got to say goodbye.

Speaker 1 It was, you know, high one day bye the next but what theo the passing of theo really taught me is like honestly it's better it is i think what did girl with a dead dad like mean to you like what did that kind of like what did that symbolize for you that you didn't want to be you know i just remember in middle school there was a girl um whose dad had died and her she was in my grade and then her brother was in my sister's grade and it was just kind of like the thing people said do you know what i mean

Speaker 1 like pointing and saying no not pointing but like if you overheard like another parent talking, oh, did you hear? It was just kind of what, you know, they were led with. And I didn't want that.

Speaker 1 I wanted to be a girl who was funny, a girl who was good at soccer, a girl who was beautiful, like literally anything. I did not want to have that to be the thing.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, did you hear about that Oshray girl? Her father died. Like, I didn't want that to be the first thing people said about me.
So I remember making a conscious effort to just like bounce back.

Speaker 1 And it did work for a period of time.

Speaker 44 I can't imagine how challenging it is to, you know, be going, be giving birth, having lost.

Speaker 1 let me tell you it sucks like and i see ben who has both parents i'm so happy for him but i'm jealous

Speaker 1 yeah naturally yeah yeah i don't think that's bad no no of course not and definitely not bad and they're the best ben's parents like his dad is like always inviting me on a father's day like but you know a parent is a parent yeah for sure no thank you for sharing thank you thank you for being open it's uh i'm hoping that

Speaker 95 yeah i'm hoping that people who've been through similar things or you know i i know plenty of of people in my life who lost a parent early and

Speaker 95 it's something that's not talked about enough online.

Speaker 8 Like you don't, you don't really hear about it.

Speaker 66 Like it's kind of like something you talk about in therapy and nowhere else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just like hard to talk about. Nobody wants to be crying all the time.
And I think that no matter what stage of your grief that you're at, like you can't talk about it without crying.

Speaker 1 That doesn't mean that you're not healed. It's just sad.

Speaker 1 And I don't want to be sad. Like that's my whole thing.
Like I love being happy. I love making people laugh.
I love laughing. Like if I'm laughing, I'm so happy.
So I hate to like sit around.

Speaker 1 And that's why like, I know when I talk about this on the podcast, people don't like it, but I don't do therapy, not for any reason. I'm not like against it.

Speaker 1 I know it's really powerful for a lot of people, but I've never really had a hard time communicating.

Speaker 1 And I'm very blessed that like, I have a lot of people in my life who I feel completely open and comfortable opening up to. And I know that's a privilege that not a lot of people have.

Speaker 1 But I also like, I don't know, I just don't want to spend my life being sad. Like the world is sad enough.
Like my, I wake up every day with the goal of like making people laugh.

Speaker 1 Like I like to be joyous and spread joy. And I don't know, I was sitting in the therapist's office for an hour a week, like crying.
Like, oh my God, like seriously, I can't. I can't.
Yeah.

Speaker 80 Yeah. No.

Speaker 95 And I think that everyone has their different coping mechanisms, like you said.

Speaker 58 And for some people, that is the only place they have

Speaker 86 a safe space and a space where they don't feel judged and a space where they don't feel, you know, looked at in a certain way because their family friends may be that way.

Speaker 49 And, and, and it's beautiful that you don't have that.

Speaker 16 I was going to ask you, what's been your,

Speaker 72 have you thought a lot about like

Speaker 9 your energy, baby's energy?

Speaker 34 Like what, like walk me through that?

Speaker 1 Yes, I have a lot because, you know, people tell me that I'm kind of like a baby whisperer because I love to sing and I love to dance and I love to like, I'm obsessed with babies.

Speaker 1 And that's what babies love and that's what babies need like their first couple of months are always looking for somebody to sing and dance to them.

Speaker 1 And so that's the type of mom I want to be like super joyous, super like always singing.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you follow Jesse J, the singer on Instagram.

Speaker 62 Of course, but she had a Jesse.

Speaker 1 Okay, so she had a baby and like she's always singing to her baby on Instagram. Now, I know she has like one of the best voices in the world and I don't, but like, I'm going to be Jesse J.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm going to be singing to my baby and my baby's going to think I have the most amazing voice because my baby's going to be my number one fam.

Speaker 53 It's going to be so funny if they don't.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, stop. I'll be so upset if like every time I sing, the baby cries.

Speaker 90 Yeah, well, they'll love it till they're like four.

Speaker 1 Oh, of course. No, I'm talking about year one.

Speaker 58 Yeah, year one.

Speaker 77 One, one fan for one year is good enough.

Speaker 65 I love that. I love that.

Speaker 16 And have you thought about whether you're going to be sharing Baby Journey online?

Speaker 1 I have thought about it. I definitely want to share my journey.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty against

Speaker 1 putting your kids on social media. I don't judge other people who do, but I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 And I feel like I see a trend of people sharing less and actually pulling their kids off social media because the dangers of it are like so obvious.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I know. That's something me and Riley talk about a lot.

Speaker 1 Like it's, it's

Speaker 42 one of our discussions.

Speaker 1 If the internet wasn't such a disgusting place, I would love to, like, have fun. But no, we can't have nice sayings.
People are disgusting. And absolutely not.

Speaker 95 Yeah, yeah, it's challenging. It's, it's such a,

Speaker 47 yeah, that's, that's the the hard part, right?

Speaker 75 That's the hard part that it's like in the same way as you wouldn't just put your kid up somewhere physically in that way that they're exposed to anyone and everyone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they just actually passed that law in California about like family channels and Damien Lovato was a big part of it of like just child actors, but also child, like family channels, like basically exploiting your kids on social media for money.

Speaker 1 I, they're, they're all still actively happening, but I feel like in 10, 15 years, like we are going to be hearing like the most craziest stories about kids who were forced to be on like YouTube family channels.

Speaker 1 It's disgraceful. Um, but it's also a slippery slope.
Like, you know, like you start posting your kids, and that's the most engaging content.

Speaker 1 So, you post more and more and more, and then you rely on it to pay your bills. So, you're yelling at your kids to smile for the thumbnail.
And I never want, I never want to be that.

Speaker 44 Yeah, yeah, it's great that you guys have

Speaker 1 because it's actually, I haven't even talked to Ben about it, but I don't care what he says.

Speaker 67 Like, I love that.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he'll agree with me, yeah. But we haven't had like a full conversation about it.

Speaker 90 Okay, good to know, good to know.

Speaker 1 Because he'll be hearing about this on the Jay Shaddy podcast.

Speaker 84 Is this usually how it goes?

Speaker 1 No, actually, certain things I feel really strongly about, and I say, Ben, like, this is what we're doing. Certain things he feels super strongly about.

Speaker 1 I'm like, okay, sometimes we both don't know how to feel. And there are people in our life whose opinions we like respect and we'll call them and ask and get their opinions.

Speaker 1 Then we'll come to a decision together. It just depends on what the topic is, you know?

Speaker 61 Yeah.

Speaker 92 I think that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 73 Yeah, that's fair. If you feel strongly enough, it's a rule.

Speaker 89 And if you don't have a lot of things,

Speaker 1 like as a half of a part, like a half of a marriage, like if there are certain things you don't have like strong feelings about, but your partner does, like, so let them have that one.

Speaker 1 And then when you have strong feelings about something and they don't, they will let you have it. Like, that's the whole, you know, shtick with compromise.

Speaker 1 But also, um, knowing when you don't know, like, some, all of this is new to me: motherhood, pregnancy.

Speaker 1 And so, knowing that I have no experience and talking to people who do, and if I trust them, and I think that like their values align with mine taking their advice, um, but like, it's important to know, like, when you don't know enough,

Speaker 82 Claudia, you are, you're one of the most fascinating people

Speaker 40 I've ever met.

Speaker 51 You are hilarious, you're smart.

Speaker 57 Profound today at times.

Speaker 67 I really didn't want to cry, but it is what it is.

Speaker 27 No, I appreciate you being so honest and vulnerable with us and showing that soft side.

Speaker 66 Yeah, no.

Speaker 107 You know, like for people to be able to see.

Speaker 1 You keep attorney in a box. Like, she is going to surprise you.

Speaker 67 I love it. I don't know.

Speaker 54 Well, Claudia, it's been such a joy talking to you.

Speaker 61 We end every episode with a final five.

Speaker 59 Okay.

Speaker 63 These have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

Speaker 36 Not a Claudia sentence.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, I promise I will do one word.

Speaker 67 Yes, yeah.

Speaker 42 One word or one sentence.

Speaker 92 Oh, okay.

Speaker 26 But not a sentence at 100 miles per hour where you squeezed in 79 words.

Speaker 1 No, but not Jay calling me out.

Speaker 67 Okay. All right.

Speaker 49 Okay. Yeah, and I'm not judging you.

Speaker 62 No, no, of course not. Okay.

Speaker 99 So, question number one.

Speaker 86 What is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 This isn't like, you know, a curated sentence. So I'm just going to like speak.

Speaker 1 And I think it's something I've realized as I've gotten older, especially as like a woman in the industry, you feel really competitive with like other people.

Speaker 1 I feel now like I like to work to live and not live to work. Like I just would like to make a living.
I don't need to be the biggest podcaster. I don't need to be the number one selling comedian.

Speaker 1 I just would like to provide for my family. I think when you get really caught up in like the hustle culture, it's good to have ambition, of course.

Speaker 1 But what used to be important to me is actually really not important to me anymore. Now, like, just a job is a job.
It's to provide. And that's it.

Speaker 95 Great sentence. Thanks.

Speaker 67 Yeah. Oh, God.

Speaker 56 I forgot about the sentence.

Speaker 67 Okay, sorry. I'm good.

Speaker 41 No, no, no. No, no, no.

Speaker 16 It's well explained.

Speaker 31 I would have asked you to explain.

Speaker 54 Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. There is a phrase.
Okay, sorry. It's going to be more than one sentence.
There is a phrase that I hate. It's It's called, like, being realistic is the quickest path to mediocrity.

Speaker 1 Like, I so disagree with that. I think being realistic is so important.
Like, so important.

Speaker 61 Yeah, good answer.

Speaker 36 Question number three, what excites you most about motherhood?

Speaker 1 I'm such an affectionate person. Like, I love all my nieces and nephews who are growing older now.
They're like starting to hate it, but like I cover them in kisses.

Speaker 1 Like, I just am obsessed with kisses and hugs. And like, this baby, like, is going to.
This baby is going to love me more than anyone.

Speaker 1 I'll probably end up liking Ben more, but this baby, like, is mine, you know, and I could kiss it as much as I want.

Speaker 34 I love it.

Speaker 31 Question number four.

Speaker 16 What are you most excited to see about Ben becoming a dad?

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Like I just know Ben is going to be the best, the best, like most affectionate.
The kids are going to love him. They're going to like him so much more.
They're going to go to him.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know what exactly I'm most looking forward to, but I feel a lot of peace knowing that I'm bringing a baby into the world, but like someone who's seriously going to be the best dad on the planet.

Speaker 36 Fifth and final question.

Speaker 86 We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show.

Speaker 77 If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Speaker 1 It should be absolute law that everybody listens to the toast every single morning.

Speaker 60 And then on purpose. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, of course, of course. Yeah.
Actually, no, this is my answer. Not on purpose.
Sorry. Just the toast.
Oh, thanks. All right, Claudia.
No, it should be law. Like, it should be NPR.

Speaker 1 It should be public radio. I love it.

Speaker 67 Yeah. That's a great law.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 I love it. Thanks.
And then I ultimately, you know, that affects my bottom line.

Speaker 86 Claudia, thank you so much.

Speaker 62 I love everybody with this.

Speaker 13 Me too. Thank you.

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