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Speaker 1 We have our good friend Peter Straeger, who is there in Green Bay to talk about the draft, Shador, what happened there, who had great drafts, who had some weird moves.

Speaker 1 We also have our good friend Stavros Halkius in studio. Great time with him as always.

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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, April 28th, and boys, we've got a lot of sports. We've got sports coming out of our ears.
We had the draft. We have the playoffs.
We should probably start with the draft.

Speaker 1 Mel Kuyper might have had the greatest meltdown of all time, and I'm worried about Mel.

Speaker 3 I think he'll be okay. He was very passionate about Shadur.
He was disappointed to see every team, team after team after team, passing on Shadur. Yes.

Speaker 3 But I did look up Mel Kuiper's grades in the draft.

Speaker 3 Cleveland Browns, A-plus.

Speaker 1 A-plus.

Speaker 3 The only A-plus given out because they got Shadur. What a steal.

Speaker 3 You got second overall value in what? What round was it?

Speaker 1 It was the fourth round. The fourth round? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Incredible value by the Browns to pick up Shadur there.

Speaker 3 It turns out Shadur might not have been good enough to get drafted in the first round because I think no matter what the character things were, any hesitancy teams had, if he can play football, he would have been drafted early.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a wild draft because of Shador Sanders and watching the slide, which

Speaker 1 in retrospect, I think we were, we didn't think he was, we talked to McShea, we talked to Daniel Jeremiah. I don't think we thought he was going to be a first-rounder.

Speaker 1 We didn't think he was going to be a fourth-rounder.

Speaker 3 I think if you had asked me in November, I would have said, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And hand up, the reason why is because Deion has been very vocal about his son being a first-round pick, even going as far as to say, like, if I got drafted by the Browns, I would pull an Eli Manning to play for the team.

Speaker 3 Unfortunate tweet on his part. That was from 2018.
Has he deleted it yet?

Speaker 1 I don't know. That was from 2018.

Speaker 1 That's kind of bullshit. People were pulling that up.
I'll say this. We're obviously biased.
Bias is out in the open with Deion. Spin zone for Deion and the Sanders family.

Speaker 1 Deion Sanders actually father of the year because he got his fourth round son mocked as a first rounder. Yeah.
That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 You don't usually have that happen where a guy ends up going pick 144 is mocked in a lot of mocks as a first rounder. So credit to Deion.
Oh, fifth round. Sorry.
Fifth round.

Speaker 1 Once it gets past the fourth round, I just, I kind of, all the numbers blend together.

Speaker 1 144 fifth round to the Cleveland Browns, who, by the way, had an incredible logo that looked like testicles from the right angle all weekend. That was bizarre.
It was bizarre.

Speaker 3 It was the dog bone that was bouncing up and down, but when you cut off the top of it, it just looked like the draft pick was getting teabagged.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just all weekend long. But yeah, so it was

Speaker 1 crazy. So we had obviously Cam Ward.
I feel bad for Cam Ward because his being number one overall got completely hijacked

Speaker 1 by the Shador Sanders draft.

Speaker 3 Jeff Walker from a couple years ago. Yeah.
Nobody ever talks about him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jackson Dart obviously went to the Giants with the 25th pick.

Speaker 1 Tyler Shaw, I can never pronounce his name because everyone pronounces it differently. Shed.

Speaker 1 McShea was pronouncing it Shuck. Shuck.
I'm going to go with McShea. Tyler Shuck went to the Saints with the 40th pick.

Speaker 1 And then we all kind of were like, hey, this is probably going to happen at some point. And then Jalen Milro went to the Seahawks with the 92nd pick.
Shout out Jalen Milro.

Speaker 1 He said after the draft that the Seahawks told him that he was the best quarterback in the draft as official meeting with the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 And then John Schneider in his press conference, a reporter asked him, he's like, no, I didn't say that. I don't think that actually.

Speaker 1 So shout out John Schneider. Very awkward moment.
Also, shout out John Schneider because we got to get him on at some point. We met him at the combine a few years ago.
Seems like a very cool dude.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw this. I think it was maybe after the first round.

Speaker 1 A reporter asked

Speaker 1 how he'd handle an owner meddling in the draft. And he said, well, I worked for the Washington Redskins for a year.
Yep. So he's been, he was very honest about that.
He's like, I've been there.

Speaker 1 I would roll over and I would take it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because he's the owner, and he signs the checks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 1 Jalen Milro goes 92nd to the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 Jalen Milro is an incredible athlete. You could be like, hey, the upside makes sense.
Jalen Millrow struggles to throw the football at times, and that's what a quarterback should do.

Speaker 1 Then Dylan Gabriel goes 94 to the Cleveland Browns. We got to actually, I wonder what Tony Grossi Grossi said, because remember, he's the Browns.

Speaker 1 He's a Cleveland sports radio host who, I'm quoting him, so it's not me saying it. I'm quoting him.
When they got Baker Mayfield, he said, we've got a fucking midget.

Speaker 1 Dylan Gabriel's shorter than Baker Mayfield. So he probably was pissed.
He was punching air.

Speaker 1 And then, so we're like, what the hell's going on? Friday night ends. Mel Kuyper.
continues to have a meltdown. And then Shador Sanders goes to 144 to the Browns who already drafted Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 1 And now the Browns have a QB room of Kenny Pickett, Joe Flacco, Deshaun Watson, Dylan Gabriel, and Shador Sanders.

Speaker 3 I love that quarterback room. I do.
And I think that Flacco might start week one.

Speaker 1 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3 And Flacco is a big underdog to do that, too. I think he was like plus 750 last I checked.
Yeah. So I like the quarterback room.
I like the strategy.

Speaker 3 If you don't have a quarterback, just accumulate all the quarterbacks and let it's like Highlander. There should be one that emerges from that group.
And then, you know, you can go from there for it.

Speaker 3 I was,

Speaker 3 I got to admit something.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 The most viral video of the weekend was the Shador Sanders prank call.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 I cannot bring myself to watch it because it just seems like the most cringy, awkward video. I know what happens in the video.
I know what it's about. I know who did the prank call.

Speaker 3 I know who received the prank call. I cannot bring myself to click play on it because that is the kind of shit that I do not want to see.

Speaker 1 I feel you. There's a video out there that I feel the exact same way about.

Speaker 3 Is it when you put the hole in Tiffany's wall? Nope.

Speaker 1 No, it's a video that came out this weekend, too. Oh, what video? What video is that?

Speaker 1 No, just keep talking about it. No, no.
Oh, okay. All right.
Yeah, yeah. Maybe that will come up in Who's Back.
I know what videos he's talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I watched it for both of us. It was.
It was definitely cringe-worthy. Apparently, so we find out later on for people who are maybe living under rocks, someone called.

Speaker 1 How it works is all these guys have their numbers in a database with the NFL. Shador Sanders got a new phone just for this situation.

Speaker 1 So all the teams have all the phone numbers so they can call all these prospects.

Speaker 3 Per Matt LaFleur.

Speaker 1 Per Matt LaFleur. So

Speaker 1 the database is there. Shador Sanders gets a new phone.
So it's not even his regular phone.

Speaker 3 He has a draft phone.

Speaker 1 He's got a draft phone. He gets prank called.

Speaker 1 Someone says, hey, I'm Mickey Loomis from the Saints. You know, I know you've been waiting a long time.
And then Shador's like, thank you so much. I can't wait for this.

Speaker 1 then the kid goes, you're going to have to wait a little longer and then hangs up. So, and pranks him.
I'm glad I didn't watch it. Yeah.
We find out

Speaker 1 today

Speaker 1 that it was Jeff Ulbrick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, point to memes. This is memes' former head coach.

Speaker 1 He is memes' former head coach.

Speaker 1 Jeff Ulbrick's son was the prank caller because Jax Ulbrick, because apparently he found the database on his dad's iPad and then took the number and then was stupid enough to be in a video of them prank calling.

Speaker 3 So he wasn't the one that was on the phone. No.
He was the one that was in the background.

Speaker 1 He was sitting next to them.

Speaker 3 He was managing the database. Correct.

Speaker 3 But he got the number and they also prank called Tyler Warren, right? Correct.

Speaker 1 They think it was the same kid who pranked called Tyler Warren when Tyler Warren, they pranked called him at seven saying the Jets were going to pick up.

Speaker 3 And I heard somebody prank called Cooper to Gene last year.

Speaker 1 Yes, someone pranked called Cooper to Gene last year.

Speaker 1 Listen, Jeff Ulbrick,

Speaker 1 it was a terrible thing to do.

Speaker 1 Jax Ulbrick,

Speaker 1 I don't wish to be him right now.

Speaker 1 Jeff Ulbrick is going to raise hell.

Speaker 3 Well, so he issued an apology, and the internet was split on the apology. Half the internet thought it was a very classy move, well done, good kid, made a mistake, he's going to learn from it.

Speaker 3 The other half of the internet thought this kid should be run over with a steam roller.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So embrace debate.

Speaker 1 I actually thought it was a decent apology.

Speaker 1 Really dumb move.

Speaker 3 He should have listed Mel Kuyper in the apology. That's the only issue I had with it.

Speaker 3 If you're going to apologize to Shador and his family and his friends, you should also say, and to Mel Kuyper, I apologize. This was a very mean thing I did to you.

Speaker 1 Memes, I have a question for you. Do you think there's a chance that Jax Ulbrick and Brick Johnson have ever been in a room together? Because I would love to see that too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. And they've definitely made some jam moves and they've definitely been in a group chat with Diane Orsini just leaking information.
Oh,

Speaker 3 you think Brick is leaking information? Yeah. Bricks don't leak, buddy.

Speaker 3 Baby Brick leaks.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Baby Brick leaks. I think there's a good chance that Jax and Brick have been in the same Madden lobby together online, and the transcript of that might be something interesting to take a look at.

Speaker 1 I think Jax is from New Jersey, so I think that Brick and Jax have probably been together. I would love to see those two minds going at it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would love to see that, but that's the Atlanta Falcons problem, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It does kind of suck for Jeff Jeff Ulbric right now.
Ah, yeah. But credit to him for however this went down, being like, yeah, it was my son.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was, I don't know if he turned in his son. His son was literally on the video, and it was almost instant that everyone's like, hey, that's Jeff Ulbricht's son.
That's Jax.

Speaker 1 That's Jax. Jax Ulbrick, who plays, I think, D3 football running back.

Speaker 1 So it wasn't even Ole Miss. Ole Miss got dragged through it.
Yeah. Everyone's like, oh, Ole Miss Frat Bros.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so Jax, I think at minimum, he should apologize to Mel and he should also get in the ring with Shador.

Speaker 1 I'd agree.

Speaker 3 Three minutes in the ring with Shador, and then they can move on.

Speaker 1 I'd agree. We would never prank call anyone.
Never.

Speaker 3 Ever. Never.
Definitely not Lenny Dykstra.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 3 Definitely not Darren Revelle.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 3 And if we did, we would never apologize for it. Yep.

Speaker 1 And that's

Speaker 1 our post. Our postline for it.
We wouldn't post it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Should we call Darren?

Speaker 3 It's pretty late. Should we draft Aaron?

Speaker 1 Max, as someone who's maybe been prank called recently, how does it feel? Bad. Okay.
So there's your statement. You just actually just put

Speaker 1 how does it feel? Bad, and then say Max Delente Shador Sanders.

Speaker 1 Both of them feel bad.

Speaker 1 Okay, so can we actually play the Mel Kuiper just crash out the 15 seconds? This was so good. I loved watching Mel.
He was,

Speaker 1 he was visibly upset. Yeah.
I've never seen Rhys Davis crack. Reese Davis had to crack and be like, dude, shut up.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Rhys Davis's job is to stoneface, be a traffic cop, move it along. And he was like, Mel, come on, come on, buddy.
Hold it together. Yeah, I said,

Speaker 1 Max, I sent you the 15-second clip. I DM'd it to you.
There you go.

Speaker 1 It's that one. It's 15 seconds of Mel just ⁇ he's just in a bad spot.

Speaker 1 Look how angry he looks.

Speaker 4 NFL has been clueless for 50 years when it comes to evaluating quarterback. Clueless.

Speaker 4 No idea what they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback. That's proof.
There's proof of that.

Speaker 4 we know exactly what we're talking about with quarterback they don't

Speaker 3 and it was very awkward you know who does know is mel kuyper mel kuyper so jimmy clausen is just about to break through i would agree that uh there have been some misses but there have also been a shitload of hits yeah like if you look at who's drafted in the first round overall they're usually pretty good quarterbacks it was such a great it was such great entertainment because it was mel kuyper just not accepting the fact that shador sanders

Speaker 1 probably wasn't good enough to be a first-rounder. And then, as soon as the slide happens, then all the other stuff comes into play.
Because I am a big believer, especially in the NFL.

Speaker 1 If you're good enough,

Speaker 1 teams will draft whoever as long as it helps them win. So Mel got it wrong that he was a first-rounder.

Speaker 1 I think once he slipped out of the first round, teams were like, well, if he's going to be a backup, we don't probably want to have everything that comes with it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so looking back on it, at the time, I would say definitely last year during college football season, I thought that Shadora would be a first-round pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Besides Deion,

Speaker 3 was anybody else saying that?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, the mock drafters.

Speaker 3 The mock drafters. Were they going off of any talent evaluators besides just them watching on screen? Like, anybody in the biz? Because I know Deion said that he would be a top five pick last year.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he did. But he meant rounds.
He meant rounds. Deion was correct again.
Yeah. But yeah, it was, I think it's going to end up where if he's good, he's going to play.

Speaker 3 And if he's great, he'll end up making money just like anybody.

Speaker 3 They're not going to give a shit that he's Deion Sanders' son, and they're not going to hold that against him. If he's good enough, he'll be their quarterback.

Speaker 1 It probably will be a good thing for him in terms of humble pie. Yeah.
Because some of the reports, I mean, the pro day,

Speaker 1 where it was like, I think they spent $100,000 on the pro day

Speaker 1 in terms of like a red carpet and like a VIP section.

Speaker 3 Retired his number.

Speaker 1 Yeah, retired his number. So I do think that this might help Humble, and it could be good for Shador Sanders in the long run.

Speaker 3 Silver lining of all this.

Speaker 1 Did you want him to go back to college?

Speaker 1 So Florio came from the clouds with some great fan fiction that actually turned out to be kind of true.

Speaker 1 Florio wrote an article on Friday and essentially was like, he should pull out of the draft, go back to college, make more money now.

Speaker 1 Now that he's in these third, fourth, fifth rounds, he would have made more money in NIL this year in college than probably his entire rookie contract because it falls off a cliff in terms of guaranteed money, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Florio basically was like, it's never been done because if you go to the combine, you usually are not able to get back into college football.

Speaker 1 But where NCAA is now is the antitrust laws and everything that's going on,

Speaker 1 they would be able to sue and probably win that lawsuit.

Speaker 3 The only problem with that is, would you... Would you accept making more money to go back and have to go to school?

Speaker 1 I don't think they're they're going to school.

Speaker 3 You don't think Deion makes him go to school?

Speaker 1 Well, that was the other part of Fleura's thing. He said he should transfer somewhere else.
Oh, I love that. And coach and get coached by someone else.

Speaker 3 And prove it to the world.

Speaker 1 And prove to the world. Okay.

Speaker 1 Because there was the other, Quinn Ewers was the other one where Quinn Ewers had a choice. He was offered, the report was, you know, six, seven million dollar NIL offer, I think from a Big Ten school.

Speaker 1 And he decided to go to the draft and he got drafted, what, seventh round?

Speaker 3 Seventh round. Do you think it had anything to do with the crazy room he was sitting in the entire draft? Who?

Speaker 1 Uh, Quinn Ewers. Oh, where he had dude, that's just hunting.

Speaker 3 I think he had like 50 dead animals behind him, just full bodies. It was a lovely room of death.

Speaker 1 Um, real quick, embrace debate. You guys saw the thing going around the internet: 100 people taking down a grill.
That was gonna be my

Speaker 1 who's back. All right, let's save it.
Let's save it. All right, let's save who's back first.
Let's save it. Um, he did say tibs for PFT.
All right, if it gets to you, you can have it.

Speaker 3 Okay, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 You're a nice guy.

Speaker 3 Uh, I think that the real star of the whole Shadur saga actually ended up being Shiloh. Yeah.
Shiloh's a good dude.

Speaker 3 Shiloh's a great hype man, just there with his boy the whole time, trying to put a smile on his face. Yeah.
And probably the most stressful weekend of his life.

Speaker 3 Like, there could have been times where he could have gotten real negative, started being woe is me. Shiloh was just an all-time vibes guy.
I love the fact that the Bucs got him. That's good.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I didn't really know that much about Shiloh until now. Turns out I love the guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I don't know what the Browns are going to do.

Speaker 1 It's very Browns.

Speaker 1 Someday we'll probably get one of those athletic reports where they say, hey, here's what happened in the 2025 Browns war room.

Speaker 1 And I'm just taking a guess here.

Speaker 1 But I think that maybe they drafted Dylan Gabriel so that Jimmy Haslam couldn't be like, hey, you have to draft Shador Sanders.

Speaker 1 And then when it got to the fifth round, Jimmy Haslam still was like, hey, no, you still have to draft Shudor Sanders. In the clip.
Because Dylan Gabriel one was kind of out of left theory.

Speaker 3 And in the clip that I saw,

Speaker 3 GM and head coach didn't look exactly pumped.

Speaker 3 And we're Stefansky guys. We're Stefansky guys.
Yeah. But that would be one of the franchises he would look at and be like, that is an owner pick.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 I think, if I had to guess, it feels like it's going to be a

Speaker 1 competition between. It's going to be Teebo Mania.
Well, it's going to be in the same situation. He's just not going to play, but it's going to be all anyone talks about.

Speaker 1 I think it won't be as bad as Tebo Mania just because it will be. So I'm guessing here.
I think they'll have Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett in a QB competition for QB1.

Speaker 1 I think whoever loses that competition will get traded to a team that needs a QB because of injuries or whatever during training camp.

Speaker 1 I think Dylan Gabriel will be the second quarterback, and I think Shador will be the emergency third string. So it's hard to be a lot of the hype

Speaker 1 better in camp. But if he's not even dressing, I think that does diminish a little of the hype.

Speaker 3 It does, but then there will be questions about why isn't this guy dressing?

Speaker 3 yeah probably at all preseason is everything preseason will be everything like if he throws a nice touchdown pass in preseason they're fucked well let me ask you this who would you who would you rather have as your emergency third string quarterback shador or dtr

Speaker 1 that's easy shador so dtr is not

Speaker 1 yeah so i feel like they've they've upgraded eagles is dylan gabriel

Speaker 1 dylan gabriel i feel like is going to be like one of those uh career backup well actually he's our guy right didn't daniel Jeremiah give it to us?

Speaker 3 Is he Mr. PMT? He's Mr.

Speaker 1 PMT, so we got to root for him. Let's go, Dill.
Yeah. I think he's, I mean,

Speaker 1 he's a good quarterback. He's just short and doesn't have like the strongest arm.

Speaker 3 Did you see this fun fact about what the Bucs did? So they drafted Tez Johnson from Oregon. Small guy.
One of the smallest in NFL history. 154 pounds.

Speaker 1 Bonix's brother.

Speaker 3 Bonix's brother. No, he is.
Tez Johnson is?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 Bonix's family adopted him. Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So he's 154 pounds, one of the lightest in NFL history. And then as an undrafted free agent, they signed Des Watson from Florida, who weighs 464 pounds.
I like that.

Speaker 3 The heaviest player in NFL history. I like that.
The difference between those two guys, 310 pounds. I like that.
Difference in weight. I'm rooting for Des Watson.
He's a big boy.

Speaker 3 He had me ever since he had that. They gave him a carry in the bowl game, and he had one yard rushing.
Yeah. 464 dude falling forward for a yard.

Speaker 3 I hope he does well because he's talking about how he needs to play his way into shape. He's got a food kind of addiction that he's trying to get over.

Speaker 3 I think, I hope that they can help him out with that because I want to see big Des playing in the NFL.

Speaker 1 The other one I want to see along those same lines.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, Desmond Watson went to the Bucs, you're saying? Yeah, yeah. They both did it next to Vita Vey.
Yeah. That will be incredible.
That would be an incredible game.

Speaker 3 That is like a

Speaker 1 goal-line stop package.

Speaker 3 You want to know how to stop the tush push? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think the Bucs Bucs just did.

Speaker 1 They just did. No, he's so awesome.
Whenever I would see him on Florida,

Speaker 1 he just leans on people. And his numbers get erased because his jersey just scrunches up.

Speaker 3 He's awesome. My other favorite story was after the draft, Abdul Carter, he hit up LT.
Yeah. And he asked LT for permission to wear number 56.
And LT said, no. Yep.
You may not wear number 56.

Speaker 3 You can make your own way in your own number. I'm on LT's side here.
Absolutely. LT may be the greatest defensive defensive player of all time.
It's like him, Reggie White.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 3 for somebody to ask who hasn't played it down in the NFL, can I have the most important number in your franchise's history, please? Yep. No,

Speaker 3 you got to stand your ground. Say no to that shit.
Yep. Maybe

Speaker 3 if you make like six all-pro teams in a row, I'll consider it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I agree. You don't give up your number.
No. It's retired.
What are you going to say, Max?

Speaker 1 He wore 11 at Penn State. Like, you could look at it that way, that he's already done this before and worn, like, a legacy number and lived up to it.
So, like, maybe he.

Speaker 1 Doesn't everyone wear 11 at Penn State, though?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 every player?

Speaker 1 No, but like, Micah Parsons, LeVar Arrington. Yeah.
He's like the Dallas Cowboys 88. But it's all, yeah, it's all retired.
Yeah. No, but I'm just saying.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's already proven it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You can't be a legacy vampire.
Go make your own way.

Speaker 1 Also, speaking of numbers, I was worried about Matthew Golden, the Packers, first-round pick, but

Speaker 1 he picked number 22 for a wide receiver.

Speaker 3 Yuck. Yeah, that's tough.
So bad. That is so broken.

Speaker 1 That's so bad. That's maybe the worst you could pick for a wide receiver.
They got to put the numbers back to old school.

Speaker 1 I don't like this shit.

Speaker 3 22 is terrible. 28, real bad.

Speaker 1 29, well, 28 is a running back.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, so is 22.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy. But 22 is not even a good running back.
28 is at least a good running back.

Speaker 3 25 is a good running back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But 22 is a nothing. 23.
I don't even.

Speaker 1 Got that Jordan, so it's okay yeah to embrace debate i meant to bring this up on friday but uh this was from ryan fitzpatrick's twitter replies uh after zach wilson signed with the dollars number zero he said it might be silly perception this was like in the replies he said it might be silly but perception matters in this business and a qb trying to resurrect his career wearing number zero doesn't scream serious qb i agree absolutely true it screams no debate to be embraced it screams like you're just fucking around young punk yeah it's a young punk number

Speaker 1 no one believes in in me not even you no jason tatum wears zero uh different basketball is so different uh also what were you gonna say max you you like the number zero no i was just itching itching my nose itching your nose yeah by the way the booth smells bad

Speaker 1 what they're doing in there we got we got we got problems

Speaker 1 memes dressed like luca today I don't know what's going on. I love Luca.

Speaker 1 Other stories I liked. Did you guys see that Lions six-round draft pick, Ahmad Hasanine,

Speaker 1 on the phone with Dan Campbell said, I will die on the field for you, coach? I think that's the one guy you can't say that to because he'll just be like, okay, great.

Speaker 1 Now I have my week one motivational speech.

Speaker 3 Who was the guy that the Cardinals drafted, the linebacker, like three years ago? And on the call that he made, he was like, let's fucking kill everybody. Yeah.
I'm going to kill everyone.

Speaker 3 I'm going to die on the field. I think Dan Campbell respects that.

Speaker 1 But he's going to make them do it.

Speaker 3 Dan Campbell might force people. Like, if you get a call from me on draft day, that means I'm about to pick you.
If the code word is, I will die on the field for you.

Speaker 1 Also, too soon, because I think the only person who's ever died on an NFL team was that Lions player in like the 60s.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, prayers for DeMar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, prayers for DeMar. But I'm pretty sure that was.

Speaker 1 Don't fact check. Fact-check me.
Lions player died on the field. I'm almost positive that was the only death on the field in the NFL.
So, too soon, bro. How could you do that?

Speaker 1 We also, did you guys see Jackson Dart said that out of anyone he wants to train with, it's Jameis Winson? This was before he was drafted.

Speaker 3 Say he'd be a great teammate.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. That's awesome.
That's synergy.

Speaker 3 Is he going to be able to beat Jameis out with that mentality, though?

Speaker 1 I don't know. This is extremely, this is an extreme peak behind the curtain of a non-football guy, but the clip of Gruden and Jackson Dart was going extremely viral.

Speaker 1 And I didn't understand. It seemed like people were making fun of Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because he doesn't doesn't have.

Speaker 1 But I didn't fully understand why. Like, it didn't seem like that bad of a clip.

Speaker 3 We don't teach the kids hard counts anymore.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, the clap.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so his snap count in college was just this.

Speaker 1 You want to play the clip then? Clap. That's just up tempo offense.
That's it's rinky-dink offense. By the way, I was right.
It was Chuck Hayes in 1971 died on an NFL team.

Speaker 1 On the NFL field for the Detroit Lions. So officially too soon.

Speaker 1 We're done clapping. I see.

Speaker 1 I see this guy. Yeah.
Go ahead. You ready? Yeah.

Speaker 6 No, I want to hear the snap count.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 Every time?

Speaker 1 Every time.

Speaker 1 Do you have like a dummy clap or anything? Yeah, we call it purple.

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 1 For three years, you've been clapping.

Speaker 7 I think I could do that.

Speaker 1 Let me hear it.

Speaker 6 No, I ain't doing it.

Speaker 3 He likes a hard count. I I like how their dummy clap is just clapped twice.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why do you need a color for it?

Speaker 1 What else from the draft?

Speaker 1 Oh, I wanted to say we give this speech every year, but the draft grades are so funny because you can go, depending on your team, you can go and find a great draft grade for your team or a bad draft grade for your team.

Speaker 1 We always bring up the 2012 Seahawks draft class from Bleach Report graded at a D. That was the draft class that got Bruce Irving.

Speaker 3 Oh, they gave it an F.

Speaker 1 Oh, they give it an F. Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, Robert Turbin, and Jeremy Lane.

Speaker 1 And they gave it an F. I also found a very funny tweet that basically sums up the entire trying to grade how the draft went for your team.
This is from ZWK Football.

Speaker 1 Based on the consensus value of the picks they made, Atlanta had one of the best drafts and the L.A. Rams had one of the worst, including value gained slash loss from trades.

Speaker 1 The Rams had one of the best drafts and Atlanta had one of the worst. Okay, so there you go.

Speaker 3 What I do love, though, about the draft grades is that the draft grades are issued by people evaluating teams on how they picked according to what the person who's writing the draft grades has said they would have done.

Speaker 1 Even if it's not even

Speaker 3 saying, how smart,

Speaker 3 are you as smart as I am? Are you perfectly as smart as I am? Right. Then I will give you an A.

Speaker 1 And even if it's someone grading the drafts that didn't have a mock draft themselves, they're just grading it on what other people thought the draft was going to have, how other people thought the draft was going to have.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I don't know. Did you guys like your draft?

Speaker 1 I thought the Bears probably should have gotten a running back, got sniped a few times, maybe should have gotten more defensive line, but I do like Luther Burton.

Speaker 3 I was a little bit confused with the Commander's draft class. I like the first pick that we had.
Yeah. Guy from Oregon.
He's big. That's my analysis.
He's very athletic. Good feet.

Speaker 3 He used to play running back.

Speaker 1 I forgot to tell you,

Speaker 1 Nate Tice, our friend who we're going to have on in football season, his dad, Mike Tice.

Speaker 1 He had his dad grade all the offensive linemen for his podcast, and Mike Tice did have your guys his favorite outside

Speaker 1 tackle. I love that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I love that a lot. I also like Trey Amos.
Mincey texted me, said great player. Okay.
So that's my analysis of that one. And then we got a really fast wide receiver.

Speaker 3 We got what I've heard to be a great value running back. He didn't play last year because he was transferring.

Speaker 3 There was a whole thing about whether or not he used up his red shirt because when he was a freshman, there was a controversy about some other player taking his jersey number and then playing in games using his jersey.

Speaker 3 So those stats got wrongly attributed to the wrong guy.

Speaker 1 Was he at Chuko?

Speaker 3 No, this was at, I think it was at an HBCU.

Speaker 3 I think it was in the SWAC.

Speaker 3 But then, so they ruled that he couldn't play last year.

Speaker 3 And there's a bunch of people who are like balls deep in the draft that are saying that this could be one of the best running back selections that you could make. We got him in the sixth.

Speaker 1 People were saying Trayvon Henderson was the steal of the draft.

Speaker 1 That was another that the if you saw I thought the bears fans were mad at me. The bears should have got a lot of people being like, fuck you.
The bears should have gotten a running back. They didn't.

Speaker 1 Well, they did late. They got the kid from Rutgers, but you could see how it fell.
They got sniped like three different times where there was a run-on running backs right before their pick.

Speaker 3 So that part sucked. But the part that confused me was that we didn't get an edge rusher at all.

Speaker 1 That was kind of the same with the Bears.

Speaker 3 It was kind of puzzling because we lost a lot of production and we thought that we would fill it with either a free agent or at the very least in the draft. But I'm just going to trust Dan Quinn.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love the Patriots draft. I would die for Mike Vrable.
I'm so excited for this year. You got all the way into the draft?

Speaker 1 I just people telling me that Trayvon, he was the steal of the draft. And then we drafted a wide receiver and they had a highlight of him just burning Travis Hunter, who

Speaker 1 number two pick in the draft.

Speaker 3 Change of the game.

Speaker 1 How did you guys like your draft?

Speaker 1 How he did it again. Oh, nice.
That's just a thing that every time the Eagles would pick, you just go on Twitter and everyone just says how he did it again. That's awesome.
What about you, memes?

Speaker 1 I like your draft. There's one question.
This is what we're saying. Everyone likes her draft.
Didn't draft a defensive tackle, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, not great because people are saying this was like a generational defensive line, defensive tackle draft.
That's kind of how I feel with the running backs and the bears.

Speaker 1 Like, how do we not get it?

Speaker 3 Did you draft players that ended in B?

Speaker 1 We got the fastest linebacker linebacker ever from Maryland.

Speaker 1 Actually, our good friend Tom Fernelli thinks that maybe we drafted him to be the running back.

Speaker 1 Gotcha. Even though he doesn't play running back because he's so fast.

Speaker 3 I thought we got the fastest linebacker in the draft.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Maybe we both did.

Speaker 3 Fast linebackers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got the most athletic linebacker. I think we did.

Speaker 3 No, is he as fast?

Speaker 1 Ruben Hippolyte

Speaker 1 Jr. He definitely got the most athletic linebacker.
Second.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's true.

Speaker 1 Jihad Campbell

Speaker 1 definitely was. Oh, we're not talking about first round.
But he's a linebacker. Okay, well, that's cheating.
I also think we were going to draft Shadur.

Speaker 1 I think so?

Speaker 1 I like how you say Shaddur. Shadur.

Speaker 1 Shadur.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they asked Howie Roseman after the draft if he was if because the Browns picked him, the Eagles were the very next pick, and they asked him after

Speaker 1 if he was going to draft Shadur with the next pick, and he was like, We're not talking about people we didn't draft. We're only worried about the people that we did.
Ooh.

Speaker 1 But he didn't answer the question. How fast was your guy's linebacker?

Speaker 3 I just read that he was the fastest in the draft.

Speaker 1 What was his 40 time?

Speaker 3 I don't have it in front of me.

Speaker 1 My linebacker was 4.42, so maybe not the fastest, but that's pretty fucking fast. Okay.

Speaker 1 I think ours was 4.5. Ooh.

Speaker 3 This guy was a six-year senior and team captain.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 You better be if you're a senior. I love team captain.

Speaker 1 Senior. You've been there long enough.
Internet's also gone soft because Patriots drafted Kobe Miner with

Speaker 1 tweeted a minor minor

Speaker 1 and they had a big guy

Speaker 1 deleting it. That's poor.
Great tweet.

Speaker 1 Why would you delete it?

Speaker 1 You know how it goes.

Speaker 1 Once the higher-ups are calling, be like, what is this? Yeah, one person, I don't understand how this works.

Speaker 1 All right, well, you look up your guy's speed.

Speaker 1 What was your guy's name?

Speaker 3 Kain Medrano.

Speaker 1 Kane Medrano. He sounds fast.
Kane Medrano. He sounds fast.

Speaker 3 UCLA, big.

Speaker 1 He sounds really fast. Let's see.

Speaker 3 Washington Commander's 4-4.

Speaker 1 4-4-6 is what I'm looking at right now. That is not as fast as my guy.

Speaker 1 Sorry. Looks like I got the fastest.

Speaker 3 It said fastest linebacker in the draft.

Speaker 1 4-4-6.

Speaker 1 But my guy went 4-4-2.

Speaker 1 So AI's lying. I'm seeing game speed right now.

Speaker 1 I got my guy catching a guy who runs a 4-4 from behind.

Speaker 1 This is some good fucking linebacker talk.

Speaker 3 Here we go. There's a YouTube video.
Washington gets athletic freak in all caps.

Speaker 1 So our good friend Tom Ferneli, there's a site called Relative Athletic Score where it has you ranked in your position groups. You see this right here? PFT?

Speaker 1 So this is him as a linebacker, and then this is him as a running back. He would basically be like a freak in all of the running back.

Speaker 3 I'm seeing an article right now.

Speaker 3 Medrano ran a 4.46 second 40-yard dash, making him the fastest linebacker at this year's combine.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm seeing that Ruben Hippolyte II ran a 4-4-2.

Speaker 3 Was that at the combine or pro day?

Speaker 1 What's your guy's relative athletic score on your guys?

Speaker 1 It's not great on the linebacker, but it's great if he was a running back.

Speaker 1 Well, my guy's 9.88 on the relative athletic score. He comps out as Saquon Barkley if he was a running back.

Speaker 1 It's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 all right.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, yeah, it might be, it might have been his pro day.

Speaker 3 I got a 9.83

Speaker 3 relative athletic score. What was yours, Max?

Speaker 1 9.88. Sorry about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 9.

Speaker 1 What was your athletic? Yeah, but you spent a 40. For your 40-yard dash was what? 9.1? I'm just saying his score.
His score was a 9.88.

Speaker 1 Mine was a 9.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, it's bad, actually.

Speaker 1 Well, it's 8.22, but it's a 9.2 as a running back.

Speaker 1 This all started because I said that I think that the Bears might have drafted a linebacker that's going to be a running back for Tom Fordelli. He ran a 4.42 at his pro day.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Shorter hash marks. Well, you had the fastest at the combine.

Speaker 1 All right. Any other draft things? They're all the draft grades.
I basically came to the conclusion this weekend, too.

Speaker 1 Like, the only way that you can have a steal of the draft is you just have to draft a guy who's got problems.

Speaker 1 Like Mike Green to the Ravens. Everyone's like, steal the drafts.
Like, well, he's been accused for some shit.

Speaker 1 That's why he was the steal of the draft.

Speaker 3 Oh, there was another big moment on Thursday. I don't think we talked about it on the show, but we had foretold it.

Speaker 3 They did the NFL schedule release date, release date. Yes.
Yes. So on Thursday, they unveiled it.
The NFL schedule will be released on Wednesday, May 14th. So we have an official date on that yet.

Speaker 3 I just love the release date, release date, pageantry of it all.

Speaker 1 It feels great. It feels great.

Speaker 1 Oh, I had two last things. One, I loved the Saints pick of Quincy Riley because they had his superlatives up there and it was twitchy, will gamble, excellent competitiveness.

Speaker 1 So it sounds like basically me every Sunday when I drink too much coffee.

Speaker 1 Just ready to gamble. And then here's one that Wanna Feel Old PFT.

Speaker 1 This came from at Mikey Sanders Drill. I don't think it's actually the right one.

Speaker 3 It's not one. Yeah, I saw that one.

Speaker 1 Wanna feel old. Tyler Shuck will officially be the last person drafted at the NFL born in the 1990s.

Speaker 3 Okay, that does make me feel old.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, I don't know if that could be official because I'm sure there's an old.

Speaker 3 Like, what about me?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's an old player in college football right now that could maybe have like an incredible eighth year and

Speaker 1 get drafted.

Speaker 3 But as of right now. What if I just like get in the gym hard, develop the leg, just work on my kicking game, and also maybe enter the Make-A-Wish program.

Speaker 3 And then at some point, maybe I'll be drafted in the seventh round and I will be the last one drafted. Yeah.
You know what the real want to feel old moment's going to be when Cremarti Jr. retires?

Speaker 3 That is going to make me feel old as fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or Asante Samuel Jr.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Or Frank Gore Jr.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's going to be some of those. Yeah, when you've seen their when the juniors start to see their whole career and their dad's whole career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, overall, good draft, though.

Speaker 1 Chidor made everything interesting all the way till Saturday. He did.
Like, I know I was watching on Saturday being like, this has to happen eventually.

Speaker 3 I'm never going to watch that prank call.

Speaker 1 It

Speaker 1 in the one, actually, no, I don't know if they might have gotten the original version it was very glitchy because it was ripped from a Twitch stream that was glitchy, so that that made it not as bad.

Speaker 1 But then I think they got a cleaner version that was

Speaker 1 bad. It was tough to watch, very tough to watch.
He'll be okay. It was, he'll, he'll be, he'll be fine.
And if he's not, he'll still be fine. Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 1 If he's not good in the NFL, he'll still be fine.

Speaker 3 He's going to be okay.

Speaker 1 He'll be fine.

Speaker 1 The draft party room with the legendary and everything, that in retrospect,

Speaker 1 was that the worst draft party ever?

Speaker 3 That was the worst draft party ever.

Speaker 1 That was the worst. Well, except for Shiloh.

Speaker 1 Shiloh didn't really have a draft party. He just was at Shador.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but he made it so much more fun than it would have been. Yeah.
It was funny when he said, yeah, I kind of fired my dad as my agent because he hasn't been doing a good job. So I hired an agent.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did have a good sense of humor. That quote when he said, yeah, he's like, if they're going to make him wait, what are they going to do to me? Yeah.
Oh,

Speaker 1 we got to mention the Jaguars GM, which we mentioned on Thursday night, but then he doubled down. Yeah.
The press conference, an all-time just chill out, man.

Speaker 3 Oh, I disagree.

Speaker 1 He's crazy.

Speaker 3 I liked it, though. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He did a great job of just gassing up his guy.

Speaker 1 But here's the problem. James Gladstone seems like a really nice guy.
He's 34 years old.

Speaker 1 It does feel like he's trying a little too hard to be something that he maybe isn't yet.

Speaker 3 But I'm thinking maybe he is.

Speaker 1 Maybe he is this visionary. All All right, here's James Gladstone, the Jaguars GM, talking about Travis Hunter's introductory press conference.
So, as we sit here,

Speaker 8 Travis Hunter is a Jacksonville Jaguar, and really what comes to mind for me, right, thinking about the sport of football

Speaker 4 the power of the game itself, right? Its capacity

Speaker 8 to ignite belief, right? Belief in ourselves, belief in others, right?

Speaker 1 Belief in achieving

Speaker 3 rights. I didn't hear the rights earlier.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter

Speaker 1 embodies belief.

Speaker 1 He's a rare person.

Speaker 1 He's a rare player. But he's also a reminder that the boundaries of the game of football were built to be challenged.
I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 And so the decision to select him was actually a statement, a statement for how we plan to move. No pressure on Travis.

Speaker 1 This isn't just a draft pick. We want him

Speaker 1 to be nothing more than him. Because when he is,

Speaker 1 he elevates the space around. No, yeah, no, all right.
So, no, no, that ending match, that was Kamala speaking.

Speaker 3 No, no, when he elevates,

Speaker 1 no, you have to move past.

Speaker 3 But what are you saying about Travis? Like, we didn't know that humans were capable of doing this. Travis has heard his whole life.
This is impossible to do. And he's like, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 3 I like everything about this speech except for the rights. When he throws in all those rights and he nods his head, that's a trick.
He's a trick on you.

Speaker 1 I think Bro just took a little too much vibance.

Speaker 1 That's all.

Speaker 3 I think this is good.

Speaker 1 I loved it. That had me ready to believe in the Jags.

Speaker 3 Like, this isn't about football anymore. It's not.

Speaker 1 This is bigger than football.

Speaker 3 It's about life. This is about the universe.

Speaker 1 The belief in people.

Speaker 3 This is about the possibilities that humans have inside them if you don't listen to the voice telling you no.

Speaker 1 Play back the last 10 seconds. Tell me that's not a Kamala Harris campaign slogan.

Speaker 1 This sounds like a politician. It was actually a statement.
A statement for how we plan to move who we are.

Speaker 1 And we want him to be nothing more than him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because when he is, he elevates the space around.

Speaker 1 That makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 I got to admit, that makes sense to me. I agree.

Speaker 1 You could just be like, he's really fucking good at football.

Speaker 3 All what he's saying is, like, we're losers. But with this guy around, he has the potential to make us not losers.

Speaker 1 That was an awesome delivery. Yeah,

Speaker 1 his timing was flawless.

Speaker 1 I'm in on this guy.

Speaker 3 If I ever have to get introduced at any big occasion, I want this guy next to me grabbing the mic and being like,

Speaker 3 before PFT gets out here. I just want to say a few things about him.
This guy is the ultimate, ultimate bro.

Speaker 1 Like this guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right? Right?

Speaker 3 Right. The right stuff does feel a little smart.
Right.

Speaker 3 Right. It's like corporate speak.

Speaker 1 Also, he could just be simply being like a perfect shield for Liam Cohen because when he starts going, you're like, that other guy seems fine now.

Speaker 3 I was waiting for him to try Duval.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Travis Hunter is that good, so maybe he's right on it.

Speaker 1 All right. Any other draft things? Draft is complete.
That means football's getting close. Feels good.
May 14th is our next football. Mm-hmm.
Where we get to football schedules.

Speaker 3 I do like when they show the behind-the-scenes phone calls, and most of them are just like pretty boring. Yeah.
It's like the GM being like, we'd really like you, man.

Speaker 3 How would you like to be an Oakland Raider? And then the player being like, yeah, yeah, I'd like that very much. Thanks, coach.
And then it's like goosebumps as the title for it.

Speaker 1 It's a pretty normal call. Yeah.
But you can also, it's, it also, there is an awkwardness when they, uh, when they'll pass it to like six different people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're like, all right, we're going to get you on now with your, with the, the president of football ops. All right, now it's the GM.
Now we got your position coaches. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's the team owner wants to talk to you.

Speaker 3 The owner, yeah.

Speaker 1 You're just passing the phone along.

Speaker 1 It's like everyone's just like, hey, man, you ready to get going? He's like, you ready to get out here?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'd really like to get back to my party, crack a beer, and get my dick sucked.

Speaker 1 It's okay. You ready to get going?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's talk some playoffs.

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Speaker 1 Okay, playoffs, boys.

Speaker 1 Let me just say this.

Speaker 1 I know there's a certain sect of the internet, our audience, that might be like NBA, boring. These NBA playoffs have been incredible.
Outside of the Cavs, Heat, and the Thunder, Grizzlies,

Speaker 1 every series has had a moment, and every series has had some bad blood and felt awesome to watch. We had a great weekend to play off basketball.

Speaker 1 Where do we want to start?

Speaker 3 You want to start on Saturday?

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's start on Saturday. You know what? Let's just get.

Speaker 1 No, let's not start on Saturday. Why? Because the Celtics lost on Friday.

Speaker 1 It's Sunday, dude. Oh, I mean, you can't.

Speaker 3 I forgot about Friday.

Speaker 1 PFT. Come on.

Speaker 3 Don't bring me into this like I'm a Hank hater.

Speaker 3 You see what he's trying to do right here, Hank?

Speaker 1 It's Sunday. All right, what would you like to talk about on Friday? No, it's all about the most recent.
All I want to say is

Speaker 1 I hated that that game was on Friday.

Speaker 3 Max hated that that game was game. Max brings up a good game.

Speaker 1 Game three.

Speaker 1 The Mighty Celtics do not look like the Mighty Celtics. They look very

Speaker 3 Max. Here's the problem.

Speaker 1 Magic is a good team, and I said before the series that they matched up bad for the celtics this does hurt your under two and a half losses correct but the problem max is is that they incorrect so much time has passed that they managed to erase that with a win today

Speaker 1 say it again so much time has passed that they managed to erase that with a win today yeah still a tight like a tight game that it's it's the playoffs the magic are good i never i never overlooked this magic team They got some good players.

Speaker 1 They can't get two and a half total losses. What do you mean you never overlooked this Magic team?

Speaker 3 They're both to the Magic.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank's not wrong yet. If the magic can get some shooters, they could win the Eastern Conference in the future.
Yeah, Paolo and Franz are. They can't shoot.
Yeah. It's actually like,

Speaker 1 I think my lucky stars every game just being like, well, if the ball is not in Paolo or his hands, they're not going to Narka score. So are you at all nervous about the future?

Speaker 1 The Magic, you're up 3-1. You're going to win game five.

Speaker 1 We're banged up. Fellas are banged up.
And the Magic. The Magic have been mucking it up, as they've said.

Speaker 3 They will bang you up more.

Speaker 1 Brown dislocated his finger, got a hurt knee. Tatum's got a hurt wrist.
Drew Holiday's not even playing. Why is Drew Holiday not playing? He's been, he was injured at the end of the year, too.

Speaker 3 Oh, hamstring. Christaps has a vagina on his forehead.

Speaker 1 So we're banged up,

Speaker 1 but I feel good. Okay.

Speaker 1 If

Speaker 1 we'll get to Sunday, but if, like, well, let's do PMT time caps. They just do the thing where they just give the games to other teams.

Speaker 3 Like, we might be in trouble. Let's go back in time real quick.
All the way back to Friday night. How did you feel on Friday night?

Speaker 1 Friday night,

Speaker 1 we were missing our threes, not playing well, a couple missed calls here and there, but

Speaker 1 it was a game we should have won. I didn't feel great about it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So there, Max, are you good with that Friday night? Yeah, that's fine. I do.

Speaker 1 When we do, when they're, it's a Friday, Sunday game, and

Speaker 1 I feel like the Sunday game is.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you are, you erased your sadness. You're back.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Thunder Grizzlies was just credit to us. We said we're not going to talk about the Thunder until the next round, and we don't have to because

Speaker 1 they are in the next round. They're the first team to switch their ticket to the next round.
Also, Cavs Heat, that's just over. Just get it out of my face.
Let's move on. There was one in each.

Speaker 1 One in the Eastern Conference, one in the Western Conference. Just don't even care.
Just fucking go to the next. It was the one seeds.

Speaker 1 The Nuggets Clippers game on Saturday. This series is so good.
And this is kind of where

Speaker 1 my opening statement.

Speaker 1 If you're not watching this series, you just are saying you have a preconceived notion about the NBA that you're not going to move off of, because this has been one of the most entertaining series.

Speaker 1 We're only four games in.

Speaker 1 This game had a 22-point comeback, and the only reason the comeback wasn't completed was the closest buzzer beater you could possibly ever have by Aaron Gordon, who dunked in Jokic's airball.

Speaker 3 They didn't even have an angle on it on the broadcast for forever. So they had the one that they tried to stop.
The frame.

Speaker 3 And the frame by frame was all off. The frames were too long.
You could probably talk on that, Hank, about like frames. It was at 60 frames per second or whatever, but it wasn't enough frames.

Speaker 3 They played this one in super slow-mo, but they never even paused that one to see. It was just like playing all the way through.
It was as close as humanly possible.

Speaker 3 I recorded it on my TV with my phone, and my phone said on slow-mo.

Speaker 3 And then I stopped it, and I still wasn't sure about it because it turns out the bottom corner of the basket lights up slightly before the rest of the basket.

Speaker 3 And they had to go to like Hawkeye Technology. Bottom line is whatever they called on the court, that was probably going to end up standing because it can't possibly get closer.

Speaker 3 But I have a question for you, and Hank and I were discussing this a little bit before. How is it possible that the Aaron Gordon dunk at the end was a buzzer beater and also a game winner? because

Speaker 3 the clock stops when the basket is scored, correct?

Speaker 1 I think it's when the ball hits the ground.

Speaker 3 I don't think it's when it touches the ground because I tried to look this up and I could not find a definitive statement on when exactly the clock stops.

Speaker 1 I think it's when it

Speaker 3 I don't think it's when it hits the ground.

Speaker 1 So then when is it?

Speaker 3 I don't know. It could be when it goes through the cylinder, the entirety of the ball goes through the cylinder, or when the entirety of the ball goes through the bottom of the net.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 remember, DeAndre Ayton's The Valley Oop?

Speaker 1 If you watch that one back,

Speaker 1 the ball, like, there was, they maybe could have even put a 0.1 second left, but I think it's when the ball hit the ground because there was still time left on the clock when it went through the hoop.

Speaker 3 But this is,

Speaker 3 yeah, but I think that was a little bit different. Why?

Speaker 1 Because this. That wasn't a dunk to end the game.

Speaker 3 No, that wasn't a dunk.

Speaker 3 This was the first dunk that was

Speaker 3 a true buzzer beater dunk since 1998.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that DeAndre Ayton dunked that. Did he not?

Speaker 1 That's a dunk.

Speaker 1 That was a dunk.

Speaker 3 It said that this was the first buzzer beater dunk since 1998.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whoever said that,

Speaker 1 they might have forgotten the value oop. We've got to respect the value oop.

Speaker 3 ESPN.com?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, how is this not a dunk?

Speaker 1 The value oop was a dunk.

Speaker 1 Am I going crazy?

Speaker 1 I'm looking at it.

Speaker 1 That's a dunk.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that looks like a dunk. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, what I'm saying is, though,

Speaker 3 if it is when the ball goes through the cylinder, then it should be impossible for that to be a made basket and also for time to be completely off the clock at that point.

Speaker 1 I don't really understand what you're saying.

Speaker 3 Because the ball has to leave your hands, right? If it's still touching any part of your finger, then it's no good if the buzzer is sounded. Right.
If the light went on.

Speaker 3 The second the ball leaves his finger, right that's uh like it when it goes in the net on a dunk it's like simultaneous right like the basket has been scored when it leaves your hand right so it should be impossible for that to for that to be the very at the very least there should be like point zero zero zero zero there should be more than zero seconds left on the clock at that point I'm not following it's Schrodinger's cat I'm not following Hank you get it right I'm not following what you guys are talking about.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 1 I am following. It depends on the ruling of the hoop, but technically, yeah,

Speaker 1 if you're saying it's a buzzer beater,

Speaker 1 then it also shouldn't count. What?

Speaker 1 I don't follow any of this. Okay.
Are you guys trying to get it so that my bet doesn't count?

Speaker 3 No, no, I did laugh, though, when I was telling Hank, I would be like, that would be the worst way to lose a bet.

Speaker 1 It feels like you guys are having a private conversation to get.

Speaker 1 Steven Shea gave us games.

Speaker 3 It had nothing to do with your bet.

Speaker 3 So they're saying there was time on the clock when the ball left his hands, correct?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 So then if at that same time as when the basket counts, then there should be time to throw an inbounds pass, try to get a foul with like no time left on the clock, essentially.

Speaker 1 I still don't understand.

Speaker 1 I know that if there's less than point one, they don't, like the game's over.

Speaker 1 Like you can't inbound it. I mean, what is it? It's like 0.4.
You can't inbound it and grab the ball.

Speaker 3 But you could get a foul.

Speaker 1 I still don't understand. Do you guys understand? Am I the only one who's dumb or do you guys understand what they're saying? It's basically just fractional seconds.
Fractional seconds.

Speaker 1 But there's just that, they don't do fractional seconds. It's like if it was like racing, like you want like you guys have found a way to like ruin the coolest moment ever.

Speaker 1 I don't even understand what's going on. No, just embracing your baby.

Speaker 1 That play was so awesome.

Speaker 3 It was just a question. It was awesome.
It was great to watch. I didn't think about it until about two hours later.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then I was like, wait, so they're saying that the ball left his hands and simultaneously scored when there was time on the clock, but now there's not time on the clock anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 Like a buzzer beater.

Speaker 3 A buzzer beater is different because it's a shot that's already left his hand. Right.
So the clock expires when the ball is in the air before it goes through.

Speaker 1 No, but that doesn't. No, it just has to leave their hand before

Speaker 3 the buzzer sound so there's no time on the clock to inbound it out.

Speaker 1 But there's been buzzer beaters where the ball is going through

Speaker 1 when the buzzer goes off.

Speaker 3 Right, but if it goes through and then the buzzer goes off afterwards, then the clock is stopped when the shot is made. They review it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think it comes down to like there was 0.00001 second left on the clock, and they were just like, no, game over. But it was awesome.

Speaker 1 It was an incredible game. And whatever you say, like, I do think if you, I think if a ball is going through the basket and with 0.1 before it hit the ground, they would end the game.
Right.

Speaker 1 Watch the Valioop. Watch the, like, he literally dunked it, and there was, I don't know, 0.1 second left when it goes through.

Speaker 1 Find the actual, the actual, like, play of it, not, not a replay, not that.

Speaker 1 Just Google it, Max. Google Value, and you'll be able to see the highlight.

Speaker 1 Also, this game was Jokic just reminding everyone that he's the best player in the world because he was... If he had

Speaker 1 his teammates stink. Now, Aaron Gordon was incredible with

Speaker 1 that. Watch this.
Ready? He dunks it. There was still...
The ball was all the way through, and there was still

Speaker 1 a 0.1 left, and it was game over.

Speaker 3 It might not be until it hits the ground, though. Right.

Speaker 1 All right,

Speaker 1 all right,

Speaker 1 yeah, because I think that's

Speaker 1 I mean, I remember that play very well. Oh, there's our guy, Papev, because that was why I was confused.
I saw the uh, the stat about the dunk, and I was like, the value definitely happened.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so that stat, it turns out originally the NBA said it was the first game-winning buzzer-beating dunk in the playoffs since the play-by-play era began in 1997.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's not technically a dunk because it was an inbound pass. I don't think so.
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But yeah, this game was Jokic being like, I'm the best player in the world.

Speaker 1 He had 36, 21, and 8, which is just insane. And everyone around him watched, ready? And see, there was...
Did they put time back on? No, they didn't.

Speaker 1 That was the end of the game. That was the last play of the game, if you look at the box score.

Speaker 1 Like, Jamal Murray was... Five for 17.
Chris Brown was eight for 19. I wonder if Jokic had guys who could shoot around him, he would have so many more assists.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, there have been times in the last couple of years where he has guys that can get hot on the outside. Yeah.
Porter is capable of doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Porter has played better, but it just, it's like Jokic had to basically carry his team. And then, obviously, the Clippers with like Norman Powell and

Speaker 1 Kawhi and James Harden, everyone's playing like 22-point comeback to have it. End like that.

Speaker 1 It's an insane series. It's an insane game, insane series.

Speaker 1 I hope it goes seven. It's so much fun to watch.

Speaker 3 I love it when Jokic gets the ball and the shot clock is about to expire, and he just does like three different pivot foots and then ends up jumping backwards and throwing.

Speaker 3 He throws like a soccer inbounds pass over his head. Yeah.
He just swishes. Yeah.
You can't do anything about it.

Speaker 1 And the series gotten a little chippy.

Speaker 1 It's been fun. Yeah.
And we had the James Harden step back push.

Speaker 3 Harden looked like he was ready to square up, too.

Speaker 1 Balled up the fists. Initially, when he pushed...
Who'd he pushed? Aaron Gordon?

Speaker 3 Or was it

Speaker 1 Aaron Gordon? wrong? He stepped back very quickly, and I was like, oh, that's kind of a pussy move. But then as the clip goes on,

Speaker 1 he did square up the entire Nuggets team. Yeah.
He was ready to go, which is very funny. And we also have, this series has given us Peak Balmer, which every fucking owner should act like Balmer.

Speaker 1 Like, he lives and dies with every single possession. That's how I want my owner react.

Speaker 3 I agree. And in this game, it was just, it was an insane game.
It was insane. So Denver went up.
They had 35 points to 17 in the third quarter against the Clippers.

Speaker 3 And then in the fourth quarter, the Clippers outscored the Nuggets 34 to 16. Yeah.
Like, leads.

Speaker 1 22 points. They were down 22 points.
There are no leads to start the fourth quarter. And they just kept on chipping away.

Speaker 1 But yeah, this has been incredible. And I did hit that 31, which was Stephen Shea.
Shout out to Stephen Che. He needs his.

Speaker 1 The guy is the dumbest person I know, but hitting a 30 to 1 on the closest buzzer beater possible is something I'll remember for the rest of of my life.

Speaker 1 Saturday Night Warriors Rockets, Steph Curry. Steph Curry is just...

Speaker 1 Here's what Steph Curry's doing right now.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Butler's out. He's playing with a bunch of guys who are there.

Speaker 1 No disrespect to him. But like this game basically came down to Gary Payton being able to run a perfect pick and roll with Steph Curry for the entire fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 And Gary Payton deserves a lot of credit because the way he was short rolling, his attacking the hoop.

Speaker 1 They needed one guy who could do that with Steph Curry because they couldn't score in the first half. And Steph had two points through a quarter and a half, and he ended up with 36.

Speaker 1 This is what Steph Curry's doing, though. He's 37 years old.
Steph Curry

Speaker 1 broke and demolished the Rockets, the James Harden Rockets, the Chris Paul, Clint Capella, those Rockets. And I think 2015, he beat them on his way to his first title.

Speaker 1 And then, of course, in the famous seven-game series uh what was that i think it was 2018 or 2017 whatever year that was when it went seven and the rockets remember they shot like two for 30 from three yep he he demolished the the houston rockets

Speaker 1 the rockets then bottomed out three years in a row they averaged 19 wins They have rebuilt themselves into a very talented, young team that should be good in the West for a long time.

Speaker 1 And guess who's still there demolishing these new Rockets? Steph Curry. That's so brutal.
Very frustrating. That's so fucking brutal.
They literally went through an entire rebuild, and the guy

Speaker 1 who tore them down the first time is still standing there tearing them down this time.

Speaker 3 Also, you know who's going to be the happiest guy in the world when LeBron retires? It's Steph Curry. Yeah.
Because then he's going to be like, thank God, now I can retire. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm 30, what is he?

Speaker 3 36, 37. 37.
37 still doing this. He can't retire right now because everyone's like, LeBron's still playing.
What's your excuse? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Second LeBron's gone, Steph's going to be like, Yep, okay, time to rest these ankles.

Speaker 1 I know it's very simplistic, and it sounds, it's not like it's a no-duh thing, but when you watch Steph play, it's not even his shots, which are so incredible.

Speaker 1 By the way, one of the coolest things in all of sports is when Steph hits one of his dagger threes and he knows it's good and he starts running back before it goes through.

Speaker 1 He did that with like three minutes left when they were up six, and he just turned around. And that's to have that confidence and know that it's going to happen is so awesome.

Speaker 1 But like Steph and the amount of

Speaker 1 eyeballs on him and how much energy they have to take to defend him and the gravity he pulls on the court just makes everything else so much easier.

Speaker 1 You just, you watch it, even when he's not scoring, there's a reason why there's a guy cutting free to the basket. It's because Steph Curry's out there and they can't leave him alone for a second.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you know that it's about to be the turnaround shot when he does the thing where he like spreads his like legs out a little bit in midair as he's hitting it, turns his body.

Speaker 3 He knows it the instant it leaves his hand. Yeah.
And then he just takes his mouthpiece, chews on it, steps back, smiles. He knew it was in.
You knew it was in. You're dead.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. So yeah, and shout out Gary Payton because he was very, very good.
And that pick and roll was deadly. And it's like without Jimmy Butler,

Speaker 1 they need someone to step up. And this series still has a lot left, so it's not like the Warriors have won it.
But I do feel like Steph, because we don't know how much longer he's going to play.

Speaker 1 You have to enjoy those. Like Saturday night was one of those.
Holy shit. We get to watch Steph Curry play basketball.
This is so much fun. The Rockets also look too young.

Speaker 1 Like if this game goes six or seven, it's. That's what I was saying.

Speaker 1 They don't have what it takes.

Speaker 1 This is what the NBA is.

Speaker 1 You have to go through the wars to climb the mountain.

Speaker 1 And guess what? Fred Van Vleet shouldn't be shooting the ball 14 times or whatever he did. And they lost their cool little after.
You see Draymond and Jalen Green go at it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it looked like Jalen Green actually wants to like kill. Yeah, which

Speaker 1 that is a win for Draymond. And I'm not defending Draymond because he's done some very questionable things.

Speaker 1 But if you are at a point after the game that you're so mad at Draymond that you're jawing with him and you look like you're that upset, Draymond is walking back to the locker room and literally saying to everyone, hey, we got him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Also, I would say that with Draymond, if he can take Jalen Green out of a game, while also him getting out of the game, that's that's a win for the Warriors.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Sunday.

Speaker 1 Knicks Pistons.

Speaker 1 Carl Anthony Towns. Good for him.

Speaker 3 He's the difference. Just bombing it from downtown.

Speaker 1 He is the difference. And I say he's the difference.
Cade Cunningham is phenomenal. Cade Cunningham had a triple-double.
Jalen Brunson is phenomenal. He had 32 and 11 assists.

Speaker 1 The Pistons don't have a Carl Anthony Towns. The Knicks do.
Like he is the next. When you have another guy, that's why they traded for him.

Speaker 1 His last two minutes where he hit a three, he hit a fadeaway on the baseline where he was basically out of bounds, and then he hit another three.

Speaker 1 That's the difference in this series: that they have a Carl Anthony Towns. Because Cade and Jalen are just so great.

Speaker 3 And this game was fun to watch from the start.

Speaker 3 The announcer said it a couple times. I agree.
It was watching a 90s basketball playoff game.

Speaker 1 They didn't call shit.

Speaker 3 They didn't call shit. There were so many fouls.
It seems like every layup, some guy was getting hammered on his arms, getting bodied into the ground. No foul, get up, get back down the court.

Speaker 3 They didn't call shit the entire game. The very last shot of the game, I will say, was a foul.
Yeah. They missed that.
The NBA said it. Yeah, the NBA said it after the fact.
Yeah. That's insane.

Speaker 3 It was pretty.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what the shot did, but that's sickening.

Speaker 3 It's meaner that they said we missed it afterwards. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yes. They should just say, no, it wasn't a foul.
I mean, if they had said, hey, we didn't call any fouls all day, that's why we didn't call that.

Speaker 1 That would have been a better response by the NBA because I was like, when it happened in real time, I was like, well, yeah, of course they didn't call it. They literally haven't called fouls.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 you should be pissed if you're a Pistons fan, and rightfully so, because that was a foul.

Speaker 3 It was clearly a foul. It was full-body contact, altered the shot.
It wasn't even like the guy didn't foul bait him into doing it.

Speaker 3 He might have not tried to jump out of the way and avoid it, but it was very clearly a foul. So I do feel bad for Pistons fans.
That's a tough break.

Speaker 1 If you commit a crime and get away with it, but then admit later that you did it, you can still get charged with it, right?

Speaker 3 Depends on what crime. Statute of limitations.

Speaker 1 Damn, I was going to say. I think so.

Speaker 3 Why what crime were you about to miss?

Speaker 1 So start it back up. Start the game back up.
And this has nothing to do with you just wanting the Pistons or the Knicks to play more games. No,

Speaker 1 imagine if this happened to the Bulls or the

Speaker 1 Wizards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was at Capitol. No, I'd be bullshit.
Pistons fans have every right to be bullshit.

Speaker 1 As I was watching it, I guess I probably phrased it wrong when I treated right after the game, but I wasn't surprised just because they didn't call anything all game.

Speaker 1 Like, they were consistently, we're we're not calling fouls. They turned fouls off, which was crazy.
But, yeah, no, Pittsburgh's fans have every right to be upset because it was bullshit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those refs should be fired if they don't want to do their job.

Speaker 1 Fired.

Speaker 1 They did their job.

Speaker 1 Would you feel this passionately if this was a Western conference game? Yeah, absolutely. I think the fact that

Speaker 1 them admitting that it was a foul is so much worse to me. It was driving me insane.
Again, I had no skin in the game, but that's infuriating. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just don't say anything or be like, oh, you know, there was incidental contact, not enough to call a foul. Just lie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm just happy for Cat.

Speaker 1 He almost got in a fight. I would need to see that.
The zestiest fight possible. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I do like watching Cat play offense. Yeah.
And you know what? He's contributing a lot more on defense now, too.

Speaker 1 He's trying hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But this is why,

Speaker 1 dare I say it, I actually think, because we'll talk about the Lakers Warriors or Lakers Timberwolves, I think it might have been one of those trades where both teams kind of did better off because Julius Randall adds like a toughness and a bully ball aspect that the Wolves can use when Anthony Edwards needs help.

Speaker 1 And Cat can disappear at moments, but the Knicks needed another offensive weapon that could be like, hey, I can take this.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so it's not just Jalen Brunson. going ISO.
Right. He's got to drive into everyone's face.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to, I credit to, I said after game two that Jalen Brunson, when he foul baits, is hard to watch. I feel like it has not been as egregious recently, and he's passed the ball a lot better.

Speaker 1 Like you can see that they did not go just straight ISO like they did in game two. And when he's playing like that, he was phenomenal.
I mean, he's an incredible player, and he took over as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that cat turnaround on the baseline

Speaker 1 where

Speaker 1 he was basically out of bounds when he hit that. That was an insane, insane play.

Speaker 1 Are you at all worried about the Knicks? No. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's good. Bing Bong.
Are you worried about ping-bong? I'm worried about the rest. I'm worried about the NBA.
I'm worried about what's going on there, but.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. Got it.
So you're thinking that this is part of the. This is rigged.

Speaker 1 That game is clearly rigged.

Speaker 3 And so what do they do to you?

Speaker 1 It was bullshit. It's a question.

Speaker 1 My concern levels are much higher for that than the actual Knicks or fucking Jerry O'Connell. Okay.
Wow. Fucking Jerry O'Connell.
Damn.

Speaker 1 The Lakers are in trouble.

Speaker 3 I think that this is going to go to the distance, though.

Speaker 1 You do? I think so. Anthony Edwards was so good.
And he's like, his decision-making has gotten so much better. What did he end up with? 43?

Speaker 3 It was over 40. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think he had 43.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 listen, that game was fun at the end because LeBron couldn't get the ball in bounds, then fouled Anthony Edwards, which I don't know if the Lakers got screwed or maybe J.J.

Speaker 1 Reddick screwed that up, but the way it worked was the Lakers called the timeout

Speaker 1 to get the ball to half court. Yep.

Speaker 1 And the Timberwolves called a challenge within 30 seconds of the timeout, won the challenge, and then the Lakers lose their timeout.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 I don't understand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, that's

Speaker 1 what happened. So it was like,

Speaker 1 I don't know if JJ should have waited to see if they were going to challenge before using his timeout.

Speaker 3 Well, JJ was also, he was upset after the game, and he said that the refs missed a call on Luka. He says that Luka Doncic doesn't just fall down.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't know if he's seen Luka Doncic play before.

Speaker 1 Well, he also was sick on Friday.

Speaker 3 But then on Saturday, he slept all day. All day.
All day.

Speaker 1 All day. Shams had a report.

Speaker 1 He was like, here's what Luca did all day. And I clicked the video to be like, what did Luca do all day? He slept.
He literally was like, he slept all day.

Speaker 3 All day on Saturday. He hibernated on Saturday.

Speaker 1 It was the weirdest report ever. Can you find the clip, Max?

Speaker 1 Because it was, I clicked on it being like, Luka Doncic found some cryo chamber, uh, alternative medicine, yeah, and was, and was cured of the flu in some miraculous way.

Speaker 1 Shams literally just had a report that he slept all day. Play it.

Speaker 10 I said he's feeling much better. And outside of a team meeting and individual treatment, I'm told Luka Doncic spent all of Saturday sleeping in his bed, which is something he could have do.

Speaker 10 On Thursday and Friday when he was dealing with a viral bug, but he played through it.

Speaker 1 He couldn't do it on Thursday and Friday. He's feeling a lot stronger.

Speaker 3 He is ready to go for game four today after spending all of Saturday pretty much sleeping and bedridden in his bed.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Thanks. Appreciate that.

Speaker 3 That's a long time to sleep. Yeah.
That would mess me up for the next day.

Speaker 1 All day. He couldn't do that Thursday and Friday.
No. Couldn't sleep.
Saturday, all day in his bed. Good for him.
Yeah, good for him.

Speaker 3 I have a problem with the Lakers. You can't have two masked guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do.

Speaker 3 One's got to go. Yeah.
You can only have one masked guy per team during the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I also, this is like the Lakers just don't have,

Speaker 1 they don't have a full team.

Speaker 3 Well, no, they played their entire lineup in the second half.

Speaker 1 It was crazy.

Speaker 3 It was crazy. Also,

Speaker 3 we might be late to this, but LeBron James definitely dyes his beard.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, you can see the outside peeking through. The gray is coming out.
He's like that Ryan Day shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Ryan Whitney shit.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Whoa.
What? Whoa.

Speaker 1 Is this

Speaker 3 breaking news? No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 LeBron stat line also was very funny because he scored 27 points. How many field goals do you think he hit?

Speaker 3 Oh, not. He shot a lot of foul shots.

Speaker 1 12. He hit five shots.
He went five for nine for 27 points. He went 15 for 18 at the free throw line.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was good from the line tonight.

Speaker 1 He's very good from the line. I mean, he was still, I mean, that block he had was incredible.
That was like old school LeBron.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's still, he's, he still can do everything. It's just they don't have,

Speaker 1 they don't have enough guys. They really don't.
They don't have enough size for the Wolves.

Speaker 1 No subs.

Speaker 3 No subs.

Speaker 1 It's crazy when one's a guy who spent all day in bed and the other guy's 40. And you played on Friday.
Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 That's insane. Insane.
So I think, yeah, the Wolves hit the awoo because the Wolves are

Speaker 1 a problem. Do you hate JJ Hank? Do you hate JJ Hank? No.
Okay, good. You don't hate JJ? I love JJ.
Okay, you love JJ. Yeah, Julius Randle, though, you guys agree, like,

Speaker 1 he.

Speaker 3 It is weird because both him and Kat seem to be playing harder on defense. Right.

Speaker 3 But they switched just to different teams.

Speaker 1 And Julius Randle has a little bit of that shit to him where he,

Speaker 1 like, he could be like, yeah, you know what? I'm just going to be a bully for a little bit here. When Cat maybe wouldn't do that as much.
Yeah. Julius Randle's always a bully.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 But that was kind of what they were missing. Not that Kat's a better offensive player than Julius Randle, but the way Julius Randle could be like, no, you know what? Fuck this.
I'm going to take this.

Speaker 1 The Wolves kind of need that a little bit. I agree.
And Nas Reed hits some big threes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Wolves are. Anthony Edwards is just, he's just gone up another level.

Speaker 3 We've got some more face of the league discussion going on right now with Anthony Edwards. I do like how he's not afraid to do anything.

Speaker 1 Dude, he gets to anyone. Everyone.
Everyone.

Speaker 3 And he talks shit to him. And he makes...

Speaker 1 I feel like his decision-making is better than it it was last year, too.

Speaker 3 He's more in control. Right.

Speaker 1 He's more in control, knows when to pass. Super.
He's how to read defenses. But yeah,

Speaker 1 the last possession where they called the review, which this is the other thing that I feel like the Lakers might have gotten a little screwed on because the original review the announcer said, or the ref said was for Ball out of bounds.

Speaker 1 And then they reviewed it and saw that LeBron fouled.

Speaker 3 That was another one where they brought Hawkeye in. Yeah.
That's a camera.

Speaker 1 And it was incredible.

Speaker 3 I've never seen before. They just said, okay, you know what? We're going to bust this out.
I know it's going to look weird on your TV, but yeah, we can see something we were unable to see before. Yes.

Speaker 3 Because I was watching the review and I thought, well, that's clearly out of bounds on Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 3 Very clearly. And then they're like, nope, from the drone camera angle that we have above, we can zoom in on LeBron's hand and it clearly hits Jimmy Butler's half-brother's hand.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So yeah, it's going to be foul.

Speaker 1 Sorry, LeBron. Yeah, that was the Hawkeye was crazy there.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that play was like Dante DiVincenzo, who also had some big moments driving the lane, and then Anthony Edwards just basically driving it with him, and him just handing him the ball, and then LeBron did the foul.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you think it's going to go seven?

Speaker 3 I think so.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hey, look, I'll respect the call.

Speaker 3 That might be halfway into me wanting it to go seven.

Speaker 1 I'll say this: I think the Lakers are, like, I would maybe even game of the year the Lakers in game five.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's probably what I'm getting at is I feel like it's definitely going to go six. Right.
And then I think that this is an Adam Silver situation. Oh.
LeBron, game seven. Numbers.

Speaker 1 That basically will decide who's the face of the league. That's true.
Because Adam Silver wouldn't do it for.

Speaker 3 If it goes seven, that means that LeBron is still the face of the league. Still the face.

Speaker 1 Or Luca is.

Speaker 3 Or possibly Luca. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. What other.
Oh, the Celtics, do you feel we can how'd the game go today?

Speaker 1 It's good. It's a hard-fought game.
The Magic are a tough team. Okay.
We battled. We won.
Closed out, what, Tuesday, Wednesday? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 the Bucs are done. Yeah.
Dame, I think, Taurus Achilles sucks.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 1 The Pacers are just better. Yep.
Pacers are a fun team. They play with pace.

Speaker 1 I said it last week.

Speaker 1 I think the Pacers Cav is going to be a more competitive series than people think.

Speaker 1 So I put a lot of respect on the Pacers, but the Bucs, Dame Terry's Achilles is like,

Speaker 1 it already was nightmare time for the Bucs. Now it's like, where is Zionis going?

Speaker 3 I mean, it just sucks that Dame. He comes back from blood clots, and you're like, yeah, go out there, play the full game twice in a row.
Yeah. Pops the Achilles.
Now he's done. Yeah, I just feel bad.

Speaker 1 I feel really bad. I feel really bad.

Speaker 3 Because it feels like that also sucked a lot of the bad blood out of this series. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Although Hal Burton was going after Bobby Portis, which seems like a mistake. Hal Burton strikes me, and he's a very good player, and I respect the fuck out of the Pacers.

Speaker 1 Hal Burton, I feel like he talks a lot of shit only when they're winning. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I've seen him do that when they're like struggling or trying to fire up the team in that type of situation.

Speaker 1 He's a little goofy.

Speaker 1 Little goofy with the shit talking.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Pacers are good.

Speaker 1 All their starters are in. We're in double figures tonight again.
It feels like they have just guys. Everyone can contribute.
I'm excited for the Pacers Cav Series.

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Speaker 1 I want to talk some puck. PFT, I got to hear everything about Friday night.

Speaker 3 I mean, Friday was a long time ago. We can talk about today's video.

Speaker 1 No, but you were there.

Speaker 1 I wasn't saying that because of a loss. I'm saying that because I need to hear about you and Oldie in Montreal.
I cannot wait for this video.

Speaker 3 All right, so a couple things.

Speaker 3 One,

Speaker 3 that is the loudest building I've ever been in in my life.

Speaker 3 That's louder than Death Valley, LSU, on a Saturday night. It was their first home playoff game in eight years, I think, eight or nine years.

Speaker 1 Because they went to the Stanley Cup final in the COVID year. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So they haven't had a home crowd. They're obviously, it's a huge hockey town.
Like they care very deeply about the Canadiens there. And it is the loudest stadium I've ever been in in my life.

Speaker 3 I was amazed from the time I walked in till the time that I left. Like they're pissed off.
They're loud. They're super knowledgeable.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 So immediately the game starts, the entire crowd starts channing Thompson at Ergoli. And then later on in the game, Thompson got hurt, got taken off the ice.
Five seconds later. Strong guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, by Stromer, unfortunately. But they started chanting the name of the backup goalie just as loud.

Speaker 3 They knew the backup goalie's name and were prepared with a chant for him immediately.

Speaker 3 Anytime there was like a turnover or just a good pass, the crowd would erupt and go nuts to the point that I thought it was a penalty that had been called.

Speaker 3 It's like, no, they're just cheering on a good, like a small good play for their team.

Speaker 3 But yeah,

Speaker 3 they were just an incredible crowd, incredible sports town. I don't want to go back up there.

Speaker 3 Like, I want to close the series out at home now because that is a legitimately terrifying place to play hockey.

Speaker 1 How was it being with Oldie?

Speaker 3 So Oldie is the best, obviously. He's the best guy ever.
He showed us around, took us out for some poutine. And I don't understand why poutine is not a bigger thing in the United States.

Speaker 3 So poutine is like the dish up in Quebec. It's French fries, it's gravy, it's cheese curds, and then they'll put like some meat on it or whatever.

Speaker 3 It's all the things that Americans love: fried, gravy, meat, cheese. That's like all of our food.

Speaker 1 Wood hang. Sounds like a part of my cheese steak meal.

Speaker 3 We should do a poutine. Poutine has the.

Speaker 1 Isn't that what we like to have, basically? My gravy? Cheese, not gravy.

Speaker 3 Cheese fries.

Speaker 1 But you can make gravy, right?

Speaker 3 Anyways, yeah, we definitely should try to do that.

Speaker 3 But the other thing about Oldie is Oldie is pretty much a hypnotist because the crowd, you could compare them to like an Eagles fan, you know, environment where they're hostile towards outsiders.

Speaker 3 Right. Not like I ever felt like I was in danger or anything, but there would be people that would come up like aggressively being like, fuck you, fuck you.

Speaker 3 And Oldie has an ability to take anyone that's getting in his face because he was rocking a Capitals jersey. He's a good guy.

Speaker 3 He has the ability to, within about a half second, take a guy that wants to punch him in the face to the guy's now smiling and putting his arms around him and be like, let me buy you a beer a half second i'm not i'm not even kidding this happened probably two dozen times over the course of the night i thought oldie was about to get into an altercation not from his own fault right somebody else that looked pissed off and the next thing i know they're like slapping each other's backs in high five and taking a picture together i love it it's crazy oldie is the absolute best so I had a great time hanging out with him, hanging out with Pug.

Speaker 3 Montreal is a great city. I'd like to go back.
It feels very, very European.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it does.

Speaker 3 Like, it feels like you're in Paris a little bit. Did you go to a strip club? Did not go to a strip club.
They're known for their strip club. Pug was like, please, can we go to a strip club?

Speaker 3 I would love to go to a strip club. I was like, down, boy, down, down.
No, Pug, no. Super sex.
Pug was like,

Speaker 3 the Neru Massage. Let's go there.
I was like, no, Pug, we can't do that. We're on the clock right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one of their most famous strip clubs is just called Super Sex.

Speaker 3 So I heard about that place. I also heard it got shut down.
I don't know if that's true. Somebody told me it got shut down there.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, not Super Sex.

Speaker 1 It's such a.

Speaker 1 Hey, how obvious can we make this?

Speaker 3 Super sex.

Speaker 1 Super sex.

Speaker 1 It sounds like a translation. Like, you know, like a French person was like, we need to sell sex.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But no, it's such a cool city. First thing we did.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's abandoned?

Speaker 3 It's an abandoned sex city. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 Sex is spelled with the extra E on the end.

Speaker 1 Oh, now it's called sex appeal.

Speaker 1 That's not as direct. No.
Super sex.

Speaker 3 That could be anything.

Speaker 1 Super sex is a...

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was great. First thing we did, we went out for poutine.
And then right after that, we went on a walk up to the top of this mountain that overlooks the city of Montreal.

Speaker 3 And if you go on a walk for like 20 minutes, then you're like, okay, I can do whatever I want with my wife because I got my exercise and saw a beaver, felt real Canadian. That's cool.

Speaker 3 Beaver out in the wild. That was great.

Speaker 3 Yeah, just hung out with Oldie. The video is going to be coming out.
Me, Pug, Oldie had a great time.

Speaker 3 I do not want to go back, though. So, dude, when I say it's loud, you've never experienced a sports environment.
Like, we've been in some very loud places before. This was fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Canadian hockey just doesn't even count when you do like loudest. Yeah.
It's like it's already established that that's the loudest.

Speaker 1 So today you win. That was a little nervous game because going 2-2 would have been like, I still think Caps are going to win the series, but 2-2 is a different ballgame, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. On Friday, it was a crazy game, and we never felt like we were going to win that game because they outshot us.

Speaker 3 There was so much energy on the ice. And that fight between Tom Wilson and I think Anderson at the end of the second period was also

Speaker 3 the Caps bench when the coach, Spencer Carberry, was trying to leave.

Speaker 3 And he said after the game, he's like, Yeah, I was trying to just get out and go back to the locker room, but I saw two large individuals coming through, so I figured I can't get out there. So then

Speaker 3 it was just a crazy game. Two injured goalies, it was nuts.

Speaker 3 And then today's game, it felt like the Canadians had the upper hand, and then Tom Wilson pretty much changed hockey, changed the sport, much like Travis Hunter changed football.

Speaker 3 Tom Wilson changed the sport of hockey with one hit in the open ice that led to a goal.

Speaker 1 He took that guy's soul.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's Tom Wilson, baby. I love the fact that he's a capital.
I would hate him if he wasn't, and I love him because he's.

Speaker 1 Are people debating it?

Speaker 3 I saw some debate of it, but I defer to all things Paul Bissinette

Speaker 3 when it comes to any of these takes, because you will see people playing the screenshot game.

Speaker 1 Of course. Especially with.

Speaker 1 That's when you know the Stanley Cup playoffs are here is Tom Wilson slow-mo hit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so

Speaker 3 you can do it that way,

Speaker 3 or you could listen to Paul Bissinet.

Speaker 3 and let me find his take.

Speaker 3 I want to get the verbiage right. If you think the Wilson hit was dirty, you're a fucking clown and stop watching playoff hockey.

Speaker 1 Paul Bissinet. Love it.

Speaker 3 He's played. Yeah.
I think he has several playoff games.

Speaker 1 All right, other hockey.

Speaker 1 We have some really good series

Speaker 1 outside of

Speaker 1 the Carolina series where they're up 3-1.

Speaker 1 And the Leafs, although the Senators did win in overtime, which is good, because I wanted the Senators, when it's Canadian versus Canadian, it's like you got to let them have one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, the other thing about being up in Montreal was they would play songs during breaks in the action, and most of the songs had a pause in them.

Speaker 3 And in that pause, everybody in the stadium would just say, fuck the Leafs.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love that.

Speaker 3 They're still thinking.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 Everything you've described is just an SEC game on ice. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the Leafs lose in overtime to the Senators. By the way, we are going to have some hockey this week, whether it be Biz, Yandel, or Whitney,

Speaker 1 just so that we can get a

Speaker 1 full picture because we're not hockey experts. The Avalanche tied at 2-2, which that Landiskog goal, I don't know if you guys saw it.

Speaker 1 His smile after that goal was just like sports rule. It was because Whitney told us the story that he's basically been out for three years

Speaker 1 and he's their heartbeat, their captain, everything like that. He comes back, he scores, and the relief and smile on his face.
And there was like people, there was like a

Speaker 1 couple literally making out right after the goal with the Landiskog jersey on. It's like, this is this is sports rule.

Speaker 3 It was a super cool moment. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 That series is going to be, it's 2-2 right now, and it feels like because we've already had two overtime games in that series.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you a question about the Leafs, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 What would you root for if I gave you these three options?

Speaker 1 Them to blow the 3-0.

Speaker 3 Leafs win the Stanley Cup. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Leafs get swept in the second round.

Speaker 3 Or Leafs blow a 3-0 series lead against the Senators and get bounced. 3-0.

Speaker 3 I think that's what I would take, too.

Speaker 1 I don't think they're going to blow this lead. But if you're a Leafs fan, losing in the.

Speaker 3 You're thinking about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think Whitney had a stat that it's been like 25 years since the Leafs swept an opponent, which was the Senators, I think, in like 2001.

Speaker 1 And they were that close. They were in overtime.
But yeah,

Speaker 3 when you lose in overtime, you're like, oh, shit, here comes the doubts yeah i i would also be happy if they won the stanley cup as long as they don't beat the capitals to get there yeah like it would be a cool story i'd feel happy for rob ford's ghost and everybody in toronto it's funny because but it's also if they blow a three nothing lead to another canadian team that as a fan of comedy That that hits the sweet spot.

Speaker 1 I feel like we are our American shows, because I agree with everything you just said, by the way.

Speaker 1 I would be like, it'd be a cool story for the Leafs to win the Stanley Cup. If you talk to any Canadian who's not a Leafs fan, they're like, fuck you guys.
Why would you ever say that?

Speaker 1 You're basically rooting for the Yankees and Cowboys combined.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which I understand. I get it.
Yeah, I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 But it would be a cool story.

Speaker 3 Yeah, also, Oldie is a Leafs fan, so

Speaker 3 I got to support my guy. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to get Oldie here for a live stream. We have to.

Speaker 1 And then the Jets and Blues. The Blues fucking killed the Jets today.
And the Jets are

Speaker 1 the one seed, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Winnipeg, they won the president's stroke.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a 2-2 series. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it feels like what's going on here?

Speaker 3 There's some questions about some of the goaltending.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was like

Speaker 1 in the logo. That's kind of like the Knights Wild series.
The Knights, I think, were heavy favorites. They had to win in overtime to tie that series 2-2.

Speaker 3 Well, their goalie is one of the best goalies in the regular season, but he's consistently been one of the worst in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we got to.

Speaker 3 He might not be able to win the big one. It's Hellebuck, right? Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is the

Speaker 1 isn't isn't the Hellebuck Binnington

Speaker 1 Hellabucks are goalie, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is the Four Nations exhibition game All-Star Game Final. Yep.
That's what the matchup is. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, that should be.
Because he got pulled today.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 3 He's not been good.

Speaker 1 Oh, the Blues, if the Blues...

Speaker 1 I mean, Bennington would be if the Blues go on a deep run, like, because when they won that year, what it was, was it like six or seven years ago, and when they were basically dead in the water in January, yeah,

Speaker 1 this would be an all-time run. Yeah, either way, the hockey playoffs have been awesome, awesome, awesome.
That game that you were at on Friday night, like had everything, dude.

Speaker 3 It was crazy. It was an absolutely insane game.
I missed the OV goal, though, which was the only thing I'll say, the only thing I'll say about that is that stadium, again,

Speaker 3 I'll admit, I am afraid of a building.

Speaker 3 I don't want to go back in that building as an opposing fan anymore.

Speaker 3 The bathroom situation.

Speaker 3 I feel like they got like two bathrooms in the entire stadium. And so

Speaker 3 you had to be stuck in a big line of pissers for about 30 to 40 minutes. Yeah.
And so I was unable to make the OV goal when I got back.

Speaker 1 But that's okay.

Speaker 3 That's okay. We'll move forward from there.

Speaker 1 But again, like overall, the people up there were very nice.

Speaker 3 There was a lot of shit talking, but it was like friendly shit talking. I'm just talking about the sheer volume of that barn was insane.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 the uh, it was that game, and then the night game, Kings Oilers, which they're playing right now, and the uh Oilers are in deep, deep trouble because they're down 2-1 in the series and they're down 3-2 in the game as we're watching it.

Speaker 1 But you, so I watched your game, PFT,

Speaker 1 had everything goals, fights, electric barn, all that. And then the Oilers game later on that night, uh, the Oilers were down,

Speaker 1 and they had us, they had, I think it was,

Speaker 1 I want to say it was 4-3.

Speaker 1 They scored and then scored almost immediately off the face-off to go up 5-4, which was like, the place felt like the roof was going to come off because they scored that quickly, two goals.

Speaker 1 And it was like, damn, hockey fucking rocks. So, yeah, it's been great hockey.

Speaker 3 It's been fun to watch. Also, is the Hurricane Series over?

Speaker 1 No, it's 3-1, I believe.

Speaker 3 3-1. It does feel like that series is over, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's kind of like the NBA, where there's a couple series that

Speaker 1 are not great. You'd say the lease and the senators and that one.
I know the Panthers, they're like a game behind.

Speaker 1 So the Lightning did win a game, which was good that that series should be competitive. But every other series has been awesome.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and even though the caps are up three to one, I don't think the series is over.

Speaker 1 No, and the games have been great. Yeah.
Yeah. Very exciting.

Speaker 1 Okay. Should we do who's back? And then get to our interviews.

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Speaker 1 Code audio at checkout. Hank, who's back of the week?

Speaker 1 Yeah, my who's back of the week is embracing debate. Oh, what's that?

Speaker 1 This was a tweet

Speaker 1 that got 180 million views. Holy shit.
This past weekend.

Speaker 1 Also, kind of crazy since Scott.

Speaker 3 Yeah, read the tweet.

Speaker 1 I think 100 people could be.

Speaker 3 I saw a different tweet.

Speaker 1 That's not the tweet. That's the tweet that got 180 million views?

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Read the one that got 180 million views. I cannot read the one that got 180 million views.
I will paraphrase it with some

Speaker 1 alternate words. Okay.

Speaker 1 The hard one? I think 100 friends could beat one gorilla. Everybody just got to be dedicated to the shit.

Speaker 1 And that sparked a debate across the internet with people saying whether or not 100 people could or could not defeat one gorilla in a fight.

Speaker 1 I am firmly of the belief that 100 people could easily be

Speaker 1 in a fight. Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 10 guys that could really hold their own, that knew what they were doing, like 10 UFC fighters.

Speaker 1 But the key part of this

Speaker 1 is everyone's got to be about the shit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you got to be about the shit. Because

Speaker 1 the first guy who goes in is going to get his head ripped off by the guerrilla, and then everyone else has to be like, but hold on, we got to still do this together.

Speaker 3 It's got to be like the Nazi meth soldier.

Speaker 3 Well, if it's one by one, one no well no i know but like someone's getting there someone's dying like the the advantage that we have as human beings is that we can do a battle plan put that together we're not gonna go after this guy like like bad guys go after steven segal where it's like okay i'm gonna run at him then he's gonna step to the side touch me then i'll have a heart attack and die then you go at him no you gotta just if you're about the shit you gotta have i think you could do it with 10 if they're heavyweights you just surround you grab limbs and then you just start breaking bones yeah you just start breaking bones one person

Speaker 3 a bone.

Speaker 1 I would honestly just grab his windpipe and snap it. Done.

Speaker 3 I think you get two guys that just go for the eyes. Yeah, take the eyes out.
If you get the eyes, then you can beat the fuck out of anything.

Speaker 1 Also, do gorillas have balls? I'd assume they do. Just fucking hammers balls.
I was saying that, too.

Speaker 3 They got balls. They got tiny dicks.

Speaker 1 The problem, though, is what happens when the gorilla gets a hold of one person and rips his head off, and then everyone's like, fuck. Or just starts swinging him around like a Donkey Kong.
Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Is everyone still about that shit?

Speaker 3 You have to stay about the shit.

Speaker 1 If you ain't ready to die, sign up.

Speaker 1 Warning sign, don't sign up.

Speaker 1 Warning sign, like, if you ain't ready to die, don't sign up.

Speaker 1 Okay. You got to.
All right, but like,

Speaker 1 let's say it's every male in this office.

Speaker 3 We're getting killed. Yeah, not us.
We're not about the shit. I am not about the shit.
No, for real.

Speaker 1 The whole thing with the animal hypotheticals is, well, actually, no, I am about to shit. You are not the shit.

Speaker 3 What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 I would take it. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 I was honestly being humble. I think I could do it just me and Max.

Speaker 1 Two of us, two guys like us.

Speaker 1 We could do it after a case race.

Speaker 1 No problem. Max? Memes is going insane.
What is he saying? He's on his. Memes has been so weird this whole episode.
I'm just imagining one of you guys running at it, just rips you in half.

Speaker 1 He's been crying, laughing since we started this conversation. He gets goofy when he dresses up as Luke.

Speaker 1 It's a funny situation. It's weird.

Speaker 3 What I would do, personally,

Speaker 3 I would try to tear it. Get him on the ground.

Speaker 1 It's simple. It's simple octagon thinking.
I would cheap shot him.

Speaker 3 Ground and pound. I would simply cheap shot him.
I'd take out his ACL. I'd break the code.

Speaker 1 I don't, I also don't know how

Speaker 1 does that even work like mathematically? Like 100 people with one gorilla. There's not enough surface area.
What? No, wait.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, Max, I know what you're saying. Like, obviously, all 100 people aren't going to jump on the ground.

Speaker 1 That's from that one

Speaker 3 because you'd just be jumping on your bros. No, but you have to take into account some of them.
Bonnie Bonnie Blue. Some of them are going to get wiped out up front.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's Bonnie Blue.
Meme. Dude, honestly.
That was a good joke.

Speaker 3 Hank's not wrong. I think Bonnie Blue could take down a gorilla.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because she would just start sucking its dick, and the gorilla just put its hands behind it and said, I'd be like, oh, this is awesome. And then she'd come up for air, boom, right in the nose.

Speaker 3 Knock him out.

Speaker 1 I feel like, yeah, this would be easy.

Speaker 3 I think 100 is way too many.

Speaker 1 Unless a gorilla knows.

Speaker 1 I guess you're counting on the people being about the shit. Oh, you've got to be about the shit.

Speaker 1 What was the tweet, Max?

Speaker 1 If you ain't about the shit, don't sign up.

Speaker 3 You just got to be dead every day.

Speaker 1 Warning sign, like, if you ain't ready to die, don't sign up.

Speaker 1 That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Memes, do you think you can take it? What if the...

Speaker 1 I die. What if the gorilla was Italian?

Speaker 7 We have a nice meal.

Speaker 1 Then die. You got to shoot him in the head.
Wait. No kids, no family.

Speaker 3 The big question is: is the gorilla dedicated to the shit? Right. Because I don't think it would be.

Speaker 3 I mean, it might be. Gorillas probably just stay dead.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if the gorilla was dedicated to the shit, then we'd be in some shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I do think that you take a gorilla's baby and then

Speaker 1 go after it.

Speaker 3 I'm not kidnapping.

Speaker 1 Yeah, listen.

Speaker 1 This is our thing.

Speaker 1 We kill a gorilla.

Speaker 1 No family. No, get them involved.
No pipe bombs. We all know car bombs.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we know what we're signing up for. We're We're competitors.

Speaker 1 This is our thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is between the gorilla and 99 of my friends.

Speaker 1 We do murder classy here. Gorilla murders classy.
I kind of want to see this now. Why can't like Bezos or someone do this? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Screen it up. Be like, Mr.
Beast. Mr.
Beast was literally invented for this. Mr.
Beast, you give everyone $10 million can compete in the 100-verse gorilla challenge.

Speaker 1 If you die, you don't get the money.

Speaker 1 That's it. That's it.
Those people wouldn't be about the shit. Yeah, that actually would.
People would be running away from it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I do think the first three, even if you, I'm saying that I think you could do it with 10 of like big, strong fighters, the first three would be almost immediately dead.

Speaker 1 And it would be ugly.

Speaker 3 It would suck. Like, it would be a gruesome death.

Speaker 1 That's where you find out if people are about the shit. Because those guys aren't going in after that.
Right.

Speaker 3 Well, I can't be held accountable for if my guys pussy out on me. If they'd said that they were dedicated, I believe them.
I trust my guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Who's your who's back, PFT?

Speaker 3 I mean, that was my who's back of the week.

Speaker 3 So I'll just say my who's back of the week is Warren Zvon. Warren Zvon got elected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yes.

Speaker 3 Finally. And also, why did you think Warren Zvon was back? Because of Wolves?

Speaker 1 No, I saw a cover from Stagecoach. That was awesome of a Warren Zvon song.
Oh, who played it? Zach Brown.

Speaker 3 Was it good? What song was it?

Speaker 1 It was really good. Werewolves of London? No, it was not Weren't France.
Lawyers Guns and Money?

Speaker 1 It was Lawyer's Guns and Money. That's another good one.
That's song. That song rocks.

Speaker 3 Warren Zvon might be my favorite songwriter of all time. And he's deserved being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for a while.

Speaker 1 It's crazy he wasn't.

Speaker 3 It's insane. So he finally got in.
And then also Outcast got in. Oh.
Which is awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they should have been in a while ago, too.

Speaker 3 Big Boy and Dre.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Yeah.
I think I may have been shooting the shit with Eddie Vetter on Friday. What?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's what Mook said. I'm not a big music guy.

Speaker 1 You're such a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 I didn't know. You're such a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 you have such a piece of shit thing to say.

Speaker 1 Were you like hanging out with him?

Speaker 1 I was sitting in front of.

Speaker 1 Why is everyone laughing?

Speaker 1 I was sitting in front of this guy.

Speaker 1 I was shooting the shit with Eddie Vetter. I'm not a music guy.
But first, Pearl Jam. You don't fucking know who Eddie Vetter is, dude?

Speaker 1 Not really.

Speaker 1 I don't really know who it is. What were you guys chopping it up about?

Speaker 1 It was just like ballgame banter. There was a guy sitting behind me that, like,

Speaker 1 I was getting really pissed off about the Phillies, and then people behind me were like, Are you a Phillies fan the way you're talking about the Phillies? And then

Speaker 1 there's like little scare?

Speaker 3 You were getting into Frankfurt.

Speaker 1 Yes, right. Yeah.
Yes. It was like, I don't understand why

Speaker 3 you're not even a fan. You hate this team.
Right.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, it's just like ballgame banter. And then after the game, Mook was like, I'm pretty sure that was Eddie Vetter that was sitting behind us because apparently he's a Big Cubs fan.

Speaker 1 Yes. And

Speaker 1 we were sitting in the 1914 club, so it wouldn't make sense that

Speaker 1 he was there.

Speaker 1 But I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 I got to meet Eddie Vetter once. He was a very cool guy.
Didn't smell the best, but that doesn't matter because he's Eddie Vetter.

Speaker 1 And also, it was after the Cubs clinched,

Speaker 1 beat the Dodgers to go to the World Series.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. The Oilers just scored.
So I think he also was

Speaker 1 drenched in champagne for hours in cigars. That was crazy.

Speaker 3 The Oilers. How much time's left?

Speaker 1 Just 28 seconds left. Holy shit.
One other crazy part. They just tied it with the empty netter.

Speaker 3 Another crazy part about Montreal is before the third period started, there were still people that were coming into the arena. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't think they were even checking tickets at that point. They were just like, anybody that's outside that wants to come in, get in here.
If you're going to yell, we need you to yell.

Speaker 1 That's like, I feel like 1980s shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you have a picture of who is sitting in front of you? This is pissing me off that you were just hanging out with Eddie Vetter and you didn't think

Speaker 1 that was so funny. It very well could not.
I have no idea. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 This is going off of what somebody else said.

Speaker 1 You're a son. Was he cool?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, we were just talking. It was just ballgame banter.
You know, you start talking to the people. You actually probably were.

Speaker 1 You're probably friends with him now because you like, that's what someone that famous and that talented is looking for is ballgame banter, not, hey, Eddie Vetter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I will say nobody came up to him to ask for a picture, so maybe it wasn't.

Speaker 3 Or probably describe what he looked like.

Speaker 5 I looked up a picture that

Speaker 1 it did kind of look like one of the guys that was behind us.

Speaker 1 I don't know what else is. What was Mook basing it off of? I have no idea.

Speaker 1 Mook texted me after the game was like, I think that was Eddie Vetter that was sitting there. Oh, so we're going.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. But I don't know because

Speaker 1 In a million years, I would have never guessed what he looked like. Either way, it was just chill.
Yeah, it was just chill. Fake Eddie better, real Eddie better.

Speaker 1 All right, my Who's Back of the Week is Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 Can I go to the bathroom now? He's got

Speaker 1 you can if you want. He's got a new book out, and he was on CBS Good Morning America.
What is it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, the softball series.

Speaker 3 Just lighthearted. Yeah.
CBS Morning Time.

Speaker 1 And he did an interview. It was very funny, curmudgeon-y, Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 The shirt he was wearing was so funny. Incredible shirt.
He knew he was going to be doing an interview for television. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And his shirt, I feel like it's been in like a cardboard box with a family of moths for about 25 years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he looked good. He pulled it off.
Yeah. And then

Speaker 1 his girlfriend, who we love. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Jordan

Speaker 1 Hudson, she's a delight.

Speaker 1 We have nothing but positive things to say about her. Co-worker,

Speaker 3 friend, lover. Right.

Speaker 1 She's

Speaker 1 the best.

Speaker 1 Muda interrupted the interview and was like, we're not talking about that when asked how they met. Well, we already know how they met.

Speaker 3 They met on an airplane. On an airplane.
Discussed philosophy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then there's theories that...

Speaker 1 CBS left that in because

Speaker 1 that wasn't the only time she had interrupted, but we don't buy that theory. It's bullshit.
Yeah, listen. Do we all agree? It's bullshit.

Speaker 3 It's bullshit. I think that they're making coach look bad because they know that this will be interpreted in a certain kind of way.

Speaker 3 The real deal is, and we're going to talk to Schrager about this in a little bit, but she is a smart cookie. Yeah.
And very smart. And this moment was all over the internet promoting his book today.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He's going to sell a ton of books because of the way that she comported herself during this interview.

Speaker 1 She's an incredible marketer.

Speaker 3 She is, she is, I think she's the brains in that relationship. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. I mean, she, that's a catch for Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and also they were trying to ask him some gotcha questions like,

Speaker 3 what about this picture of you guys doing yoga on the beach? Right. Like it wasn't a normal picture that they were taking.

Speaker 3 It just felt, it felt very, it felt designed to make Bill and his lovely girlfriend, Jordan,

Speaker 3 look like there was something wrong with them. When maybe the problem is with us for being so cold-hearted that we can't appreciate a healthy relationship.

Speaker 1 And people are like, oh, he's whipped or something. No, it's not.
That's a healthy relationship.

Speaker 1 They're both very highly successful people in a relationship together love is love independently and everyone leave it alone um hank what are your thoughts on how pft and i just handled that uh in trying to get belichek on pmt in the future did we do a better job yeah okay good

Speaker 3 what did you think

Speaker 3 have you watched it

Speaker 1 I watched the interruption clip and then I saw the eight-minute interview and I started to watch it and I got like 10 seconds in. I was like, I can't do this.
Here's what I'll say, Jordan.

Speaker 1 If you can land us Bill Belichick on PMT, you can interrupt as many times as you want.

Speaker 1 And we will cut or not cut whatever you want. You could just sit here.
You could be on the pod.

Speaker 1 We're a pro

Speaker 1 girlfriend podcast.

Speaker 1 We're pro-Bill Belichick's girlfriend podcast. That's a fact.
Whatever that looks like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a crazy clip. I got the crazy clip.
I got the vibe. We have to say this because we want to get Belichick.

Speaker 3 I got the vibe that Bill didn't really want to be doing an interview.

Speaker 1 I don't think the vibe Jordan didn't want to do the interview either.

Speaker 3 I don't think Belichick knows he's on social media.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say so. I'd say that the reaction to that clip was like, How'd you get this picture? Yeah, it looks like.
Wait, what are you talking about, the yoga? That was private.

Speaker 3 It looks like the CBS guy just like broke into his house, set up a camera, and surprised him in the kitchen. Like, Bill, we're going to talk now.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 So, yeah,

Speaker 1 we're pro-Jordan. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You think that went well, Hank?

Speaker 1 We just make the clip of us just saying the good part and leave out the part where we say, we just have said all this because we want to get Belichick on, and pretty much it's been clear that you have to say nice things about his girlfriend to get him on.

Speaker 1 I will not. So leave that out and then put in the other stuff.

Speaker 3 We will not ask how you guys met.

Speaker 3 That question is a gotcha question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we would not do a gotcha question. Yep, that's gotcha.
Gotcha question journalism. That's fucked up.
We would not do that.

Speaker 1 to ask someone how he met his significant other is just too far in my book i agree something should be private

Speaker 1 like you might why no yoga and no questions about anything that you post publicly to your millions of followers on instagram and why don't you just ask him a question about spygate while you're at it yeah or about aaron hernandez i bet you that's

Speaker 1 that's the exact same type of question as saying how did you guys meet that fake news fucking reporter probably went into this interview was like i know what i'm gonna do i'm going to get him with this fucking picture that he doesn't even know exists that's out there on the internet that got retweeted and posted a billion times.

Speaker 3 Tell me about this fucking podcast.

Speaker 3 I feel bad for the reporter a little bit.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for Bill Roger.

Speaker 1 Do you?

Speaker 3 I think Bill's having fun.

Speaker 3 I think Bill's doing just fine.

Speaker 1 Just don't clip that part.

Speaker 3 Bill's doing great.

Speaker 3 Is he?

Speaker 1 Is it how do conservatives receive? Yeah, I was gonna say, this is a pretty severe situation. This is like reverse.
It might be. No, no, it's not reverse.
It's it's what's happening.

Speaker 1 Like you get electrical. You have the older person with the younger person.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I'm saying like you get a little older and you can't take care of yourself, and then someone comes and takes care of you and then also takes everything.

Speaker 3 Has Bill, he hasn't updated his will, has he?

Speaker 1 I hope not.

Speaker 1 Keep an eye on that.

Speaker 1 I think we're going to get him. I think we're going to get him on PMT, guys.
I think we did a good job.

Speaker 1 We do a good job, Max.

Speaker 1 This is up here. You love love.
I mean, you love love more than anybody else. You love love.

Speaker 1 This podcast loves love.

Speaker 3 I want to say that if Bill is,

Speaker 3 if he's happy, if he's having mind-blowing sex, and he's doing great and loves college life, good for him. Good for him.
Far be it from me.

Speaker 1 Good for him.

Speaker 3 Far be it from me.

Speaker 1 If he found his soulmate, good for him. Good for him.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 I love love. Yes.

Speaker 3 But you're not in love with love.

Speaker 1 But maybe there's a world where we can still get him on,

Speaker 1 and this isn't an issue. That's all I'm saying.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that would be great. Well, you know what? Maybe we could all laugh about it.
How ridiculous this whole thing is. And it's like, who cares? You can date whoever you want to date.
The CBS fake news.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to make a couple jokes, but the best way to know that it doesn't bother you, Jordan, is to let Bill Belichick come on the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, you're not controlling anything.

Speaker 1 Because we made a couple jokes here and there.

Speaker 1 Love, love. Love, love.
That's really what it all comes down to is we love love on this show, no matter how it looks.

Speaker 1 how it sounds,

Speaker 1 how many times you interrupt an interview.

Speaker 3 We love love. Well, that's where it gets tricky is that

Speaker 3 she's also responsible for a lot of the social media stuff. Correct.
So she has to be in the room.

Speaker 3 It's literally her job to be in the room. So what do you want? You don't think that women can have jobs? Is that what you're saying? Here's the problem.
That she shouldn't be allowed in the room.

Speaker 1 Here's the problem. A lot of people in today's day and age don't respect a strong, powerful woman.

Speaker 1 That's the problem here.

Speaker 1 They think this, they see a strong, powerful woman, and they just start throwing around the B word or the C word, and that's bullshit.

Speaker 3 You see her doing her job, making sure that hot button issues aren't brought up on what should be a fluffy interview.

Speaker 3 And your thought is automatically, why isn't she just making him a sandwich in the kitchen? I think that's fucked up.

Speaker 3 I think she's doing her job, and she's doing it exceedingly well. Correct.

Speaker 1 Women can be bosses too. So if you don't love love, then you're a misogynist and you also hate love.

Speaker 1 Hank, how are we doing? Are we falling apart?

Speaker 3 I think we absolutely nailed this.

Speaker 1 Things got to be said. I don't know what to say.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Put that on a quote card.
Things got to be said. I don't know what to say.

Speaker 3 Wait, which things have to be said? Just things.

Speaker 1 Things do have to be said.

Speaker 3 Wait, have we said any of the things that have to be said?

Speaker 1 Like, we're not getting Belichick on the podcast. We said great things about Jordan in this.
I said, I love love. I said this because he's going to be a boss.

Speaker 1 This is exactly what I'm saying. Like, it is what it is.
Things have to be said. Right.

Speaker 3 Answer me this, Hank. What was the goal of this interview?

Speaker 1 Of the Belichick interview? Yes. To promote his new book.

Speaker 3 Did the book get promoted?

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 Did she do a great job?

Speaker 1 I haven't seen a lot of online discourse about the book.

Speaker 3 Well, it's promoting the book. I've seen some.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 In an interview for Bill Belichick's new book, his young girlfriend interrupted several times.

Speaker 3 But they've got the part about the book in there.

Speaker 1 His young girlfriend interrupted, his young girlfriend, who is age-appropriate,

Speaker 1 interrupted several times, but really she was just interrupting with her love.

Speaker 1 Sorry for her love.

Speaker 3 They can't stand to be apart.

Speaker 1 We fucking crush this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to get him on. We're going to get him on.

Speaker 3 I love love, Bill.

Speaker 1 All right, send this straight to her. All right.
We're going to let's do our

Speaker 1 with Peter Schrager. And then we got Stavros in studio, which was very, very funny.
Uh, so let's get to it.

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Speaker 3 And now here's Pete Schrager.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend, recurring guest. He's now part of ESPN.
Congratulations on that. It's Peter Schrager.
He was at the draft. He's fresh home from Green Bay.

Speaker 1 So we wanted to have you on to basically get you to dump your brain to us on what occurred the last three days. And I think we should start, obviously, with the biggest story, Shador Sanders.

Speaker 1 I heard your take earlier in the week. I thought it was pretty apt.
And it then turned out to be true. But what did you hear? And what exactly occurred?

Speaker 1 Because I think, from my perspective, I didn't think he was going to be a first rounder. I knew that going in.
I thought he was going to go in the second.

Speaker 1 Then when it went, you know, Dylan Gabriel and Jalen Miller, I think everyone's like, what the hell is going on? So what happened and what's kind of the takeaway from the whole thing?

Speaker 7 All right. So what I said on Simmons' podcast last week was that I don't think he's going to go in the first round.
And yet you're not going to hear that being vocalized. Like, it's just not worth it.

Speaker 7 The juice is not worth the squeeze. And what I meant was, look, we...
We don't know that.

Speaker 7 So it's safer to put any quarterback in the first round when they're being rumored as a first round quarterback, even if you're hearing you don't have a team necessarily. And in the case of Shadur,

Speaker 7 I think a lot of people were pulling for him to go in the first round in the media. And I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody else.
I just know Dion

Speaker 7 has been an icon for all of us growing up. He's also been a colleague of many of the people in the media.
He worked at NFL Network for 15 years. He also has been with CBS.
He's worked with ESPN.

Speaker 7 He's got a documentary on Amazon. He does stuff.
He does his own show with Tubi. He does a lot of interviews.
So it's like, what's the win?

Speaker 1 Barstool is fully.

Speaker 7 He does Barstool. Of course, he did.

Speaker 1 We're very biased.

Speaker 7 No joke. I've totally forgot about that at the college stuff that you guys did with him.
So it's like,

Speaker 7 you start thinking about it and you're like all right so he's a borderline first round pick and i do a mock draft i put him 21 to the steelers i do one mock draft and you would have thought i had put him going in the seventh round the response and it wasn't from dion

Speaker 7 but the media started believing that all right he'll go somewhere in the first round but my job is different than Lewis Ritter or Mel Kriper or Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 7 My job is to get on the phones and get things from the teams.

Speaker 7 And I did not have a single team who was like, if Shador falls to us we're taking him right so i went through the different teams that needed quarterbacks i put them to the steelers on a hope and a prayer and i went on get up on thursday morning and said guys i literally put a blindfold on and pointed to the steelers and said if any coach can unilaterally say like he's my guy i'm taking him it's tomlin they needed a quarterback and i know his meeting went really well with them two weeks ago like i know it he went there friday he was there for five hours.

Speaker 7 They loved him and Arthur Smith liked him. Tom and liked him.
So I'm like, it makes sense.

Speaker 7 But in the same breath on that episode, I get up, guys, I was like, or he's not getting drafted in the first round. Right.
And, and then it starts. Now, that's all good.

Speaker 1 I never,

Speaker 1 never

Speaker 7 thought he would slip to day three.

Speaker 7 But in the aftermath of it, you start doing it out and you're like, all right, if a guy comes in, he's like every interview saying, I'm going to change your franchise.

Speaker 7 I'm going to change your culture. And,

Speaker 7 I've got all this stuff that comes with it. As a starter, you're like, yeah, let's go.
But like now you're talking about backup.

Speaker 7 It's almost less easy to find a spot to be a backup than it is to be a starter.

Speaker 7 And my last thing on Shador, and we can get into all the aftermath of the print call and everything, was such an unorthodox, untraditional, unprecedented prospect. And the fact that...

Speaker 7 He played for his dad in high school, played for his dad at Jackson State, played for his dad at Colorado.

Speaker 7 It was, you you know, you go up to Boulder, everyone tells you like, Dion has that thing dialed in, but it's unlike any other program.

Speaker 7 You know, Bruce Feldman had a quote where he was explaining, like, you go in there, Dion just runs it all. And who could talk to the kid? Who could talk to this one?

Speaker 7 And like, it's, it's a party, but it's also a very unorthodox situation up there with how Deion was running it.

Speaker 7 Then he accepts an invite to the East West Shrine game, and then the NFL sends out a memo.

Speaker 7 It's like, you have to practice and do it, decides not to practice or play in the game, goes to the combine, interviews with teams, and then doesn't work out, which a lot of people have not done, but doesn't do it.

Speaker 7 And also declined an opportunity to go to the senior bowl, declined the Big 12 workout. So you have this unorthodox prospect, and you wouldn't do all that stuff unless you're a first-round pick.

Speaker 7 Like Caleb Williams can do that stuff, or, you know,

Speaker 7 Andrew Luck can do that stuff.

Speaker 7 If you're not a surefire top pick, usually you want to throw and you want to work out and you want to do all this stuff.

Speaker 7 So it was just an unorthodox thing, but I don't think anyone saw it sliding down to the fifth round.

Speaker 7 And when he finally was drafted, I think it was a relief for everyone because, A, it sucks for the kid, B, sucks for all the people who are watching it.

Speaker 7 And C, it sucked for the media who all said to the viewers that he was going to be a first-round pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I don't feel bad for the media. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I don't feel bad for the media at all because he was the best thing for the media because the ratings were huge on Saturday. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like everybody was watching the draft to see where he was going to go.

Speaker 3 And usually it's funny, like having a quarterback that's a coach's son, that's usually a check mark in like the good column for people.

Speaker 3 Not all coaches are Deion, obviously, and things get run a little bit differently, like you said.

Speaker 3 So there was a report that the interview with the Giants went really, really poorly. I don't know if you talked to anybody on the Giants.

Speaker 3 I don't know how an interview can go that bad because it made it seem like the interview from hell. Like you walked in, double birds, DX'd, walked out.
Like, how did that interview go?

Speaker 7 So I've heard that multiple places, and I was listening to Rosillo and McShay last night on McShay's podcast. I got back from the draft and I'm like, I need to like unwind.
So what am I going to do?

Speaker 7 I'm going to listen to more draft talk. And they were recapping it all.
And I heard Todd listing out what he heard. And then that was secondhand.

Speaker 7 And I think a lot of people said they heard that story too. I talked to the Giants daily and I and I'll tell you, I have not heard that.

Speaker 7 And what I have heard is that they love Jackson Dart since January. So like this thing, like Dable, like that was his guy.

Speaker 7 So he loved neighbors last year in the draft and it was basically like, that's my guy. And as much as Joe Shane Shane and the staff was with Shador and all that stuff, like Dable's dude was dart.

Speaker 7 I did not hear anything of an altercation.

Speaker 7 And I don't know if it was with Dion or Shador, but as someone who's covering it objectively, and I'm, I'm, look, I'm not saying there wasn't something because everyone's got different sources, but my contact with the Giants, my conversation with the Giants, that was no such thing.

Speaker 7 And they actually liked Shador a lot. It just wasn't even a debate.
It was Shador or Dart. And it was Dart from pretty much January in Dabel's eyes.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's kind of a crazy story just because I think if

Speaker 1 he's a good quarterback, not a great quarterback. If he was a great quarterback, everyone would put up with whatever comes with it.

Speaker 1 And it's very funny because the media was complicit in building him up. And then when it's wrong, you could see the media complicit in tearing him down where like, I think I saw it,

Speaker 1 maybe it was NFL Network. They were like, oh, the Rico case just came out on Shador.
And it was like a four-minute segment about how awful he was in every interview.

Speaker 1 And this all comes out, you know, after Friday, where everyone's trying to cover their ass being like, well, this is why we had him as a first rounder and he's not going in the first round.

Speaker 1 So the whole thing becomes like a cluster fuck, you know?

Speaker 7 Yeah, and I will say this, Tom Pellisero, who's a very good reporter there in NFL Network, came out with his annual column where it's, here's 12,000 words on everything.

Speaker 7 And he had the anonymous quote on Wednesday or Tuesday where it was like, it was the worst formal interview I've ever seen. It was anonymous.
And everyone's reaction was, F this anonymous scout.

Speaker 7 And why would Tom post this?

Speaker 7 And then afterwards, it was like, oh, well, they tried sullying, you know, and bringing him down.

Speaker 7 But I don't know if Tom's report was then justified because he went in the fifth round, or if you really think like Tom's report was so damaging to Shador that I assure you this, a team was not planning on drafting Shador Sanders in the first round and then read a Tom Pillicero column on NFL.com and said, now, wait a second, if a random assistant coach who doesn't have his name on this says that it was a bad interview, well, then we can't take him.

Speaker 7 So I almost, I understand where people get very sensitive about that stuff. Tom, it was on his decision to post to actually use it, not use it.
He did. He went for it.

Speaker 7 And then the guy went in the fifth round and a lot of people said it was because of the interviews.

Speaker 1 And what you said at the beginning is exactly, I think, what happened is that, listen, we're friends with Deion. I think there's a lot of people who are friends with Deion.

Speaker 1 If Shador goes in the first round and you are someone who's like, he's not a first round quarterback, you're going to, it's, it, the backlash is going to be strong.

Speaker 1 So it's easier to just be like, I think he might be a first-round quarterback. We do that too.
My hand is up. I'm biased, you know, so that plays.

Speaker 7 And my first, my first week at ESPN was April and I walked into

Speaker 7 Get Up and, you know, the topics on Get Up, which is their morning show in the production meeting is like, should Shador go second to the Browns or third to the Giants?

Speaker 7 And I like, I'm like, all right. I'm like, this is my, my new job.
And these people are awesome. And I am trying, and like, I kind of go for it.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, guys, I don't think he necessarily goes in the top 20. And they're like, well, he'll certainly go at least to the Saints, you know, or he'll go.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, guys, I, and then Greenberg's looking at me like, really? And I'm like, yeah, this is April 1st. I'm like, I don't know.
I don't have a team. And I didn't have a team the following week.

Speaker 7 And I didn't have a team the following week. And then I eventually am like, I think Jackson Dart might go before him.
And then it was like, what? So

Speaker 7 it's this awkward thing where you're like, the the rest of the media wasn't going with it just quite yet and i'm sure there were others i think mcshay was early on it like this this is not he was going the same way yeah and it's it but it's not comfortable because we don't want to be negative but when you see everyone else and the consensus saying oh he's a second quarterback off the board if cam ward is the first like you start questioning your sources but I have sources in 32 buildings and I did not have a first round team for Shador up until the draft.

Speaker 3 I also think that even if the interviews went really, really really poorly, like if Dion was there sitting behind him the whole time, like Belichick's girlfriend being like, we're not answering that question, if Shadur was good enough, a team would have taken him in the first or second round.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 The talent is, I mean, you see it all the time. There's character concerns with a lot of guys who get picked.
And it's just it doesn't matter. No doubt.

Speaker 7 And I almost think it's not like, you know, the big question is, did Dion cause him to slide? No, Dion did not cause him to slide. This is

Speaker 7 if you draft him,

Speaker 7 you're drafting a player that if he's your starting quarterback, like you said, and you're going all in, like something, but as a backup, it's a totally different conversation.

Speaker 7 So I don't think anyone, they didn't, he didn't have the electric speed or the huge arm or the wins or anything to necessarily be a first-round pick.

Speaker 7 And then once you're not a first-round pick, then it's like, wait, but there's all that that comes with it. Is he definitely dedicated to being a backup? Because you never want.

Speaker 7 to get into that thing, but it's like, I remember covering when the Eagles brought in Tebow as like the third string and it couldn't last because cameras, whether it's Tebow's fault or not, cameras weren't dealing with Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez.

Speaker 7 It was like, let's go right to Tebow. It's just an uncomfortable situation.
I don't think it'll be the case in Cleveland. Maybe it will, but like,

Speaker 7 it's a, it's an easier spot to draft someone with that celebrity at first round. I will say this about Belichick's interview.
Did you guys watch it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just saw the clip. Yeah, I thought that was just a regular girlfriend.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like people's girlfriends do that all the time.

Speaker 1 They're always involved in something.

Speaker 7 work i work in television you guys work in media um cbs sunday morning is the

Speaker 7 the nicest most yeah pleasant this is not 60 minutes right this is not real this is not real sports it's bullshit they left it in

Speaker 7 yeah i would say the opposite so my thought my thought is this i think you hate love yeah No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 We're drawn on this show.

Speaker 3 I'm a romantic.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 If that's the version that CBS Sunday Morning did while they're promoting a book for him,

Speaker 7 what was left on the cutting room floor?

Speaker 1 Oh, that's really negative.

Speaker 3 Also, Peter, you're getting bellichecked way.

Speaker 3 He's having his Belichick way with you because what's he doing? He's promoting a book, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That clip got so many more impressions. It did?

Speaker 1 So much more recognition for his book.

Speaker 3 So smart. He's going to sell a shitload.
For a book.

Speaker 1 He's so smart.

Speaker 7 I would say that interviewer, Tony from CBS, that was as hard-hitting or as straight on and direct an interview I've ever seen with everyone in NFL media where I'm at, it's always like timidly going around Belichick and then you laugh at like his snapface thing, even though you don't really think it's funny.

Speaker 7 This guy is just like, so let's talk about Jordan.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, yeah, good journalist. So here we go.

Speaker 1 All right. So, Peter, back to the draft.

Speaker 1 We always

Speaker 1 laugh at the draft grades. You don't know.
Everyone loves their draft class. Everyone thinks they did a great job.

Speaker 1 Is there, though, a team or two that you can point to and be like, they really like what they were able to do filled a lot of holes and they're going to be able to build off this?

Speaker 7 The Giants have had the roughest reputational year that a team can imagine with what happened. And it was Saquon, it was hard knocks.

Speaker 7 It was also Xavier McKinney going on to have about 10 picks and being the best safety in football.

Speaker 7 And in a matter of three days, Joe Shane and Brian Dable have completely changed a conversation around this team where like every Giants fan is like back on board. And they're like, let's go.

Speaker 7 And they did it by getting maybe the best player in this drafting Carter, trading back up and smartly trading back up to where they had to get 24,

Speaker 7 where, where if you had done it at 16, you might have had to give up too much. Like they played the game of chicken perfectly with whoever else might have traded up.

Speaker 7 And then to get Scataboo and Marcus Bow and to get Alexander, like every single position of need that they had, they checked the box.

Speaker 7 And I'm telling you, reputationally, it's the first ray of light since that hard knock stuff aired last summer. And Joe Shane has been a, you know, a punchline in a lot of places.

Speaker 7 I think today, like, Giants fans, and we're doing this Sunday night, are like, you know what? Shane did a pretty good job. Now, look, they could go three and 14, and that's that.

Speaker 7 And we laugh about this, but like, at the very least, they got impact players at better values than anyone expected.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think the Giants, like, the strategy of like, before you can be good at everything, you got to be great at one thing.
And they're going to be very, very difficult to block up front.

Speaker 1 Like Like that, that, that defensive line is going to be a problem. And it's like you can, if you can build off one great unit, you can start playing competitive football.

Speaker 1 What other team would you say?

Speaker 7 You know, I actually think the 49ers did a really nice job getting back to their basics. This is a team that always prided themselves on defensive line.

Speaker 7 And over the years, because of attrition, they've lost

Speaker 7 Armstead. Bosa wasn't what he was last year as he was in recent years.
And then they were just like, we're going to beef up on defensive line.

Speaker 7 They get, you know, Williams in the 11th pick, but then they add another defensive lineman. They add another defensive lineman.

Speaker 7 And then if you know that defense, it's like Chris Kaceric is their defensive line coach. He's the one who's always barking.
And it's like, that is where it all starts for them.

Speaker 7 So I don't know if any of these guys are going to go on to be all pros, but at the very least, Sala and Kaceric, like, they can get back to basics.

Speaker 7 They've got this fleet of defensive linemen that they can put around

Speaker 7 Nick Bosa. And then their last pick, they got this kid, Nathan Rourke, the quarterback, who is, you know, whatever.

Speaker 7 He's a story that if you followed it during the combine, it's one of these long shot stories.

Speaker 7 Like he won't play this year, but like, that's a guy that I trust Kyle Shanahan took a guy in the late rounds at quarterback. I would bank on that other than more than any other coach in the NFL.

Speaker 7 So they must have seen something in him.

Speaker 3 Is there a certain pick that you absolutely loved? Maybe a guy that fell further than you thought they would. And it's great value.
What's your steal of the draft?

Speaker 7 That's a great question. Great question.

Speaker 7 I think, think, yeah, you know, that's it.

Speaker 7 I'm not trying to butter up the guy that we're sitting here with, but like, I was the biggest Colston Loveland fan in the entire NFL draft process. And I thought

Speaker 7 he might have gone seven to the Jets, might have gone eight to the Panthers. Everyone thought it was a reach that he went before Warren.

Speaker 7 I spoke with Bears people the night of the draft, and they were like, it's not like we had Loveland like one and then a huge gap and two.

Speaker 7 It's like it was one and one A and we didn't know if either one of them would be there. And at the end of the day, they're like, what we do is speed and what we need in this offense.
This is the guy.

Speaker 7 He's six foot six, guys. Like he is, and he's awesome.
Two years ago, when they actually had a quarterback and JJ McCarthy was throwing, like, he was all over the field.

Speaker 7 Last year, he was injured, and then there was no quarterback play. The fact he goes before Warren raised a lot of eyes, but like, I

Speaker 7 find it impossible with the hiring of Ben Johnson, with a new offensive line, with bringing in Joe Tooney, with then bringing in this kid, and then also having Luther Burden on this, on the outside, who, if you saw Ben Johnson's press conference, he was Jamison Williams' high school teammate.

Speaker 7 And Jamo was like to Ben Johnson, like, oh, this guy's just like me. He's a dog.
He's a nut, you know, he's nuts. He's going to be the leader in the locker room.
So they have all these new weapons.

Speaker 7 And like, I think Colston Lovely, I don't know if he's a fantasy guy or not, but I think he makes this Bears' offense even scarier. So, Dan, I give you credit.
This is a good one.

Speaker 3 What about a late round pick? Somebody that was taking fifth round or later that

Speaker 3 you expect to do better than you might?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know,

Speaker 7 I can give you like a random skill position player and be like, I love the pick of this guy. I was shocked that Quinn Ewers went as late as he went to the Dolphins.

Speaker 7 And like, I don't know if he's because you got Zach Wilson as the backup and you got Tua as the starter, but to get him in the seventh round, like that was straight up bizarre.

Speaker 7 But the kid that the Ram, okay, okay, so I'm obviously tied in with the Rams and I know those guys really well.

Speaker 7 And the kid that they were talking about for like days and days with me, and I know they had a Zoom with him the day before,

Speaker 7 or the Wednesday before, was the running back at Auburn, Jarquez Hunter is his name. And he's one of these guys that like McVay fell in love with.
Les Sneed went to Auburn.

Speaker 7 He's an Auburn guy and he's not going to replace Kieran Williams, but this is the battering Ram that goes with Kieran Williams.

Speaker 7 And like when I tell you, they acted as if they had gotten a first-round pick on day three when they got this guy.

Speaker 7 So just knowing my connection to the Rams, I would assure you that Jarque Hunter is going to play a role, and he's a fourth-round pick.

Speaker 7 And they were literally doing flips over adding him as a running back to this team.

Speaker 1 That sounds like a guy I'm going to pick up in fantasy after he scores three touchdowns and then never score again. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Week two, like Williams has a sprained ankle.
He gets three goal line carries, converts all of them.

Speaker 3 And then, yeah, he doesn't, he has the alarm clock issue like graded to the Patriots and nothing else.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, he sounds like a very interesting pick.

Speaker 3 I want to talk real quick about your new colleague, Mel Kuyper, just to make sure he's okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Is Mel okay? Because he, he looked like he was going to cry a little bit. He said that the NFL has been clueless for 50 years when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 Is he, first of all, is he doing okay?

Speaker 7 He is.

Speaker 7 First time I've ever worked with Mel Kuyper,

Speaker 7 I had met him before briefly, and like obviously grew up watching him. And we don't do the same thing.

Speaker 7 I'm like always the one who's like, here's what an NFL team told me. And he's like, here's what I think of a player.
I don't think,

Speaker 7 and for the amazing luck of him, I don't think Mel lives online or on Twitter. I don't think he saw any of this.

Speaker 1 I agree with that. Yeah.
Because that in the interaction? Yeah, you wouldn't have kept doing it if you had seen any of it.

Speaker 7 I don't, and I don't, and I actually think it's really compelling content as much as you guys want to throw a shoe at me.

Speaker 7 Like, I felt like the one thing the internet all agreed on was that like he was in the wrong, but I'm sitting there on the broadcast and I'm at the edge of my seat.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, this guy's really passionate about this. And I actually love that because I worked with Daniel Jeremiah for years.
I think he's the best and the best guy. And you guys know he's amazing.

Speaker 7 And I've this year working with Mel and with Field Yates and like. Lewis Riddick and these guys do the work.
Those guys, I've never seen them actually be upset about a draft pick.

Speaker 7 It's usually, here's what this guy brings. Here's what this guy does.
I'll tell you about his game against Ohio State two years ago and here this guy's story when he went to Iowa and had to transfer.

Speaker 7 And they're amazing at it. And Field Yates is like an encyclopedia.
I worked with him this week. I'm like, this guy's amazing.
Mel Kuyper is passionate and like defensive of the players.

Speaker 7 And I think that's a dying breed. So to me, is he okay? I think he's fine.
I think. I actually think it actually brought a lot to the broadcast.

Speaker 7 Now, whether you thought they focused too much on it, that's another question. But I love the fact that he was actually passionate.
And if you think he was

Speaker 7 wrong, that's a different story. But like, gosh, that added a lot more entertainment value than just hearing, all right, here's what I like about this sixth-round pick.

Speaker 7 Here's what I love about this seventh-round pick. They all can't be superstars, and yet you listen to most of us in the draft thing.
We're like, this guy's great.

Speaker 1 This guy's great.

Speaker 7 This guy's great. Mel Kuyper is like, what about Shador?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I mean, you're right, but I should give some context to the listeners.

Speaker 1 Schraeger is

Speaker 1 a stoolie. He's a barstool fan.
And one one of his favorite people to watch is when Frank the Tank watches Mets games. Schraeger will text me live updates.

Speaker 1 So, similar to Frank the Tank watching the Mets game, that's what Mel Kuiper was doing. He was having a complete meltdown

Speaker 1 live on air. And I agree, it was compelling.
I was glued to it. I know a lot of people were glued to it.
So, credit to Mel. I don't know if he did that on purpose, but I was very entertained.

Speaker 7 I'll add this: I think he's so

Speaker 7 in the film and so into like his evaluations

Speaker 7 that like, I don't think he, I don't think he's considering like the fact that Shador has a, as a crew filming him and that, you know, might rub some people wrong or that Shador, you know, at an interview, like that stuff doesn't, he's a film guy.

Speaker 7 So whether it's, and he's like, I've watched every snap of Shador Sanders' career. Like, this guy is amazing.
This guy is awesome.

Speaker 7 So like the fact that he was outraged by it and you saw him listen off the quarterbacks i freaking loved it and i hope i hope he brings that passion back next year and i know i sound like i would have said that if i was in nfl network i would say that if i'm peter schrager an accountant peter schrager uh working in a law office somewhere or peter shrager a garbage man i love that i thought it was entertaining and if we don't have that it's all right a lot of us santimoni like you know okay well what's what's going on with shador well i want to you know that melt brought the fire i loved it He did.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we don't want to see guys reading names off a spreadsheet. You're right.
And if you're right or if you're wrong, it made it interesting. Absolutely.
And you're right.

Speaker 3 The good comparison would be Frank the Tank. Yeah.
It's like, oh, another team that's going to regret passing up. If he had glasses, he would have eaten them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he would have. I think he did have glasses.
He had glasses. He should have eaten them.
Yeah, we should check up on that. Peter,

Speaker 1 I know we're not critical of teams as much, or at least you don't have a lot of relationships, but what was the draft where you're like, that was kind of weird?

Speaker 1 I don't really understand their strategy.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 7 if you look, if you talk to me like whatever and said the Jaguars are going to trade up to two and the Browns are going to trade down to five, I'm not piling on the Browns at all.

Speaker 7 They collected all these picks. What's crazy is if you look at the entire Jaguars draft class, you say, okay, they got Travis Hunter and they sacrificed and they gave up a draft pick and that's fine.

Speaker 1 If you look at the entire Browns draft class,

Speaker 7 They absolutely crushed it. The only oddity is the two quarterbacks.
So that steals the headlines. And everyone's like, well, the Browns, what are they thinking? They got Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 7 Then two rounds later, they draft Shadur.

Speaker 7 But they added starters at like every position and they picked up a first round pick. So I think the head scratcher, of course, is the two quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 But talking to them yesterday in real time and then this morning, it's like at 144 and it's the quarterback position and

Speaker 7 the value, it's the most important position. Like, all right, we'll take them.

Speaker 7 But like, if you just ignore the shock and awe of drafting two quarterbacks in rounds like that, they actually did really well. So, to me, my answer is not dodging a bullet.

Speaker 7 It's just like, I think a lot of people scratch their heads at why would you take another quarterback? But the truth of the matter is, it's kind of a luxury pick.

Speaker 7 They already did clean up and get a lot of important players.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I kind of agree that if you don't have a quarterback, why not just draft a bunch of quarterbacks and see if one pans out?

Speaker 7 Your team did it. You had RG3, and then in the fourth round, you took Cousins.
Worked out great.

Speaker 7 RG3 was great the first year, and then Cousins was great for the next couple. Yeah, and with the Vikings, yeah.

Speaker 3 But no, but you're right. You're right.

Speaker 3 I do see the logic behind it, especially if you don't have one. Speaking of Kirk, he was a name that was tossed around a little bit before the draft.
Is he going to be traded?

Speaker 3 Is some team going to make a move trading some picks over? No move happened.

Speaker 3 Were there actual calls going out? Was that a possibility? leading up to the draft?

Speaker 7 There wasn't any real trades. There was a Sam Howell trade which Schefter broke, but there wasn't any of those trades.
And we had a whole list of names that were going to be traded.

Speaker 7 I don't think the Steelers are going to make any moves for a bit until they have clarity on Rogers, obviously.

Speaker 7 I would imagine if Rogers says no, they might be a team that might be in the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes. But

Speaker 7 I can't imagine. I can't imagine the Falcons week one paying Kirk Cousins that salary and having Michael Pennix be the starter.
I just don't know where he goes and when.

Speaker 7 But like, if you're the Falcons, you can't have that guy with that salary. As much as they say it, and this is just me talking, I know the NFL well enough where like

Speaker 7 that guy can't be on the rock. He's a great teammate and the whole thing, and he showed up to Spring Camp, but you can't be paying him that number to be a backup.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I would agree with that. There was a report that came out earlier today that Roger Goodell says that he wants 16 international games a year soon.

Speaker 3 Have you heard anything about that? And have you communicated to Roger Goodell that we do not want the Super Bowl in London?

Speaker 7 Okay, so let's go through that. So I think it's not going to all be at once.
They're going to build, but they've already established the UK can do it. They established Germany can do it.

Speaker 7 They established Brazil can do it. What he said, which was wild, is he's like, you know, we're thinking about going to Asia.
And now I'm like, okay.

Speaker 7 And what they do is they show up in the city and then it's like, it's a two-week event. And it's, there's flag football.
There's all these things. Like, it's almost like a traveling road show.

Speaker 7 I do think he means it. And that was a real report.
and he said it that 16 games is not off the table and that they figure it out scheduling-wise.

Speaker 7 And as for London, I can't imagine there's going to be a Super Bowl there, but guess what?

Speaker 7 If they have 16 games internationally and London becomes a market where there's multiple games a year, it's certainly going to be in the conversation, especially with the popularity in the stadiums.

Speaker 7 And right now,

Speaker 7 I don't see it happening in the next two to three, four Super Bowl assignments, but it could happen. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 I didn't think there would ever be more more than three international games they're talking about a full schedule now and here's what's interesting with that

Speaker 7 i work on i worked on fox's pregame show for years and it was like we'd have crazy ratings at our little kickoff show which was before the big one now it's from 11 to 12 eastern but when they would have these international games nobody watched you know you'd rather watch any game than a pregame show talking about the other games so you'd go over to espn or nfl network wherever it was and those games start at 9 30 eastern it's usually in the fourth quarter when the pregame shows are going on if you have 16 games does that my question is does that single-handedly cripple the the idea of a sunday pregame show like wouldn't you i feel like most fans would even if it's jaguars titans or it's saints box you're gonna watch most fans you watch the game over hearing what the guys have to say about the games coming up so I wonder about the windows, the time windows, because if you do a 16 game international schedule, the thought process would be, that's another package you can sell you could sell that to netflix hey here's a full season you could sell it to amazon and it's the 9 30 a.m early window uh eastern and then it goes games at 9 30 to one games from one to four and then games from four to seven and then your game at seven and it's just all day and it it's kind of cool but you know i'm a I'm a I'm a sentimental guy.

Speaker 7 I would hope to think that those pregame shows still exist, even if there's games in that window.

Speaker 3 Well, what happens if it's in Asia with the time zones? Because that's the other way around, right? if you're talking about like Hong Kong, that's exactly 12 hours off where we are right now.

Speaker 1 They'd have to

Speaker 3 figure it out. You play like a Monday morning game and have it and just have it broadcast Monday night in America? I don't know.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
They figure it out. I'm sure they're not, I'm sure they're not going to just drop it into whatever time slot.
They'd figure it out and we'd work around it.

Speaker 7 But like, you know, there's going to be three Christmas games moving forward. There were no Christmas games two years ago.
Like,

Speaker 7 that's what they do. And

Speaker 7 it's what they're going to be doing. And the schedule is coming out May 14th.
I'm curious to see some of these windows, some of these games, where, who gets the international?

Speaker 7 Like, I, I'm a geek with this stuff. Like, I think schedule release day is, I know we all roll our eyes and social media teams do it.
Like, I find the science behind the schedule.

Speaker 7 And I know the guys who are working on it, this guy, Mike North, other woman, Charlotte Carey, like Ani Bose, these guys, this is, once the season ends, this is their full-time job.

Speaker 7 They are working on every permutation to make sense so that no team feels screwed, but also you get the most maximum eyeballs when possible. So as little as like,

Speaker 7 does Travis Hunter give the Jaguars more than one primetime game? Like, I love that shit. So that's going to be May 14th, and that's really the next milestone.

Speaker 7 But the international games, we're going to find out. when, where, who, and like the matchups coming up.

Speaker 1 Well, Aaron Rodgers is holding that up.

Speaker 3 We were talking to Matt LaFleur last week. He did not know when the Packers would be playing, that they might play in Ireland against the Steelers.

Speaker 3 But we think that the NFL is waiting to schedule that game until they know who the quarterback of the Steelers is going to be. So, when are we going to find out? Do you have you?

Speaker 3 I don't know if Aaron Rodgers has talked to anybody about what he's doing besides what we've heard on McAfee, where he does like 20 minutes and doesn't really say anything. Yeah.

Speaker 3 This, but it has to happen soon, right?

Speaker 7 Well, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 7 did his tour and met with or spoke with the Giants, spoke with

Speaker 7 the Steelers.

Speaker 7 He told the giants said hey look i'm going to be completely transparent with you i have no timetable i don't know when i'm going to know and i don't know if i'm going to come back and if that doesn't work with you totally cool move on no resentment here i just have to be completely straight up and honest and he and dable got along really well and dable went back and him and shane were like we can't wait on him they signed jameis they signed russell wilson they drafted a quarterback they're on their way the steelers approach was the same exact thing.

Speaker 7 He had an awesome meeting with them. They hit it off.
It was great.

Speaker 7 And they left it as like, okay. And they didn't sign another player.
And they drafted Will Howard in the draft. And now it's Mason Rudolph and Will Howard.
And they're waiting.

Speaker 7 But he was transparent with them all along. And I could tell you, as of Sunday night, when we're recording this, he has not given them any word whether he's coming or not yet.

Speaker 1 That's fascinating.

Speaker 1 All right, Shrakes, I got one last question. So y'all know that we're big fans of Cracker Barrel.
And this holiday season, I will be sat at their table with a big plate of country fried turkey.

Speaker 9 And Brandon, I'll be right there with you and I'll check it off my Christmas list in the country store while I'm at it.

Speaker 13 It'll make a nice holiday tradition.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's so cute of you.

Speaker 13 Enjoy all the more holiday traditions only at Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 1 So give us one more team where you talk to them and it's like, okay,

Speaker 1 I understand everyone's excited about their draft, but they really feel like they did it. Because

Speaker 1 I like getting excited for different teams. You're like, oh, they filled.
Like, I think the Cardinals did really well. Give me a team.
Give me another team that you think.

Speaker 7 You know who are fired? Okay. I'm going to think about like a fired up coach that I can get.
Okay. You know who?

Speaker 7 I'll tell you who's fired up. And I would have to even Google like, and you guys can maybe bring it up.

Speaker 7 I spoke with both guys in Minnesota today, and I know they were at the Timberwolves Lakers game, but like.

Speaker 7 The Minnesota Vikings were really fired up about their draft. And I can't even tell, I think they took Donovan Jackson in the first round, an offensive lineman.
Do you have the Minnesota draft class?

Speaker 7 I would love to go through it because I literally cannot recall who they got in other rounds, and yet both of them were like fired.

Speaker 3 They got Ty Felton from Maryland.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Donovan Jackson was their first. I mean, they've really done a good job with their

Speaker 1 offensive line in the offseason.

Speaker 7 Like, I feel like that's what they did. Maybe that's what it was.

Speaker 7 If you're a Vikings fan, like...

Speaker 7 They didn't go timidly into this thing.

Speaker 7 They had their interests, what they wanted. And talking to Quasi, talking to O'Connell, like fired up.
And like, we did very well this week.

Speaker 1 They traded for Sam Howell, right? Yeah, they traded.

Speaker 1 They got the veteran quarterback.

Speaker 7 I don't think that's what's got them doing,

Speaker 7 but it's nice to have.

Speaker 1 It's nice to have someone, especially with, you know, the coach that they have with Kevin O'Connor.

Speaker 7 Tampa Bay was fired up. Tampa Bay spoke to those guys.
They didn't think that they were going to get a chance to get a Buka there. And there he lies there at that end.

Speaker 7 And then let me give you a name of a guy that they were, and you could tell Stephen Che this. They were fired up about, hold on, I'll get you the name here.

Speaker 3 Shiloh Sanders.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 7 David Walker. Let's do a little David Walker deep dive here, folks.

Speaker 7 I don't know what position he plays. I don't know anything.
I'm just checking the text here. David Walker, Buccaneers, and this is not embarrassing to me.
This is what it is.

Speaker 7 Okay, fourth round outside linebacker, David Walker.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 7 Former,

Speaker 7 that's it. This is good radio and good podcasting.
David Walker. That's the guy.
Buccaneers fucking up back.

Speaker 1 I like that. What about Nina Nate?

Speaker 3 What about one undrafted free agent where you're like, oh, how did that guy not get picked?

Speaker 7 Restrepo. I watched a lot of Miami.
I don't understand.

Speaker 3 Would he run like a 5-2-40?

Speaker 7 Maybe, but like, that guy, it's the classic case of like, I watch college football. That guy makes a play every single time they throw it to him.
Cam Ward loves him. And he's going to the Titans.

Speaker 7 I love that. Watch.
Restrepo is going to be like the number three receiver and he'll have 60 catches and he'll be a great NFL player. But like, how does he not get drafted? I don't get it.

Speaker 7 I know it's a slow 40. Big deal.
That guy made plays all season long and was the number one guy for that quarterback.

Speaker 1 So I'm a big Isaiah Ristrepo fan.

Speaker 3 I'd like to see that. Yeah, I want to see like a slow guy really succeed in the NFL at Russia.
That'd be awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bring back slow guys.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 7 Hold on. I said Isaiah Ristrepo.
It's Xavier Restrepo.

Speaker 1 That's fine. There you go.
We didn't correct you in real time. So that's part of it.
Sorry, Xavier.

Speaker 1 Hopefully you guys knew.

Speaker 7 I was so intimidated listening to Mick Shea and Russillo because they're watching it in real time and they know everything Like, I cover the NFL from a different angle.

Speaker 7 I don't watch a ton of college football. So I was like, felt so emasculated listening to them being like, oh, Neil, the running back out of Kansas.
Remember what he did?

Speaker 7 I'm like, that's a different world.

Speaker 7 I do the draft. That's what I do.

Speaker 1 But the stories behind the draft, you do very well. And we appreciate it.
Sorry for keeping you up late. You have get up in the morning.
Congrats on the new gig.

Speaker 3 Tell Greene I say hello, please.

Speaker 7 Is there a relationship? Do you guys know each other?

Speaker 1 We're just great. We're great friends.

Speaker 3 We're just great friends. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tell PFT said hello. Do do that i i actually know you will do that pft sends his regards yeah i will do that i'll tell you maybe blow a kiss

Speaker 1 at the end

Speaker 7 we're driving over to the uh

Speaker 7 to the to the draft yesterday saturday morning and i did say to mel kuiper i'm like you know mel i i don't know you that well i'm like Every time you do an interview, it's like you bring the same energy and the same juice, even when it's like local, like Jacksonville ESPN.

Speaker 7 Every time I hear you, like you always bring it. I'm like, you're so good.
It goes, oh, I love doing it. I feel like it's such an honor still, 42 years in.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, I vaguely remember you doing one with

Speaker 7 PMT. Like, I love those guys.
Do you, do you remember? And he goes, is that Big Cat? I go, yes, that's Big Cat.

Speaker 1 He goes, he goes, he goes, yeah, yeah, those guys are great. Those guys are great.
Big Cat. I love Big Cat, Big Cat.
And I'm like, all right, there you go.

Speaker 7 So he, he, I don't know, what year was that? It was a character.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, because we asked him all the questions about the mashed potato on the pizza.
That was

Speaker 3 2017, I think, 2018.

Speaker 1 It might have been fall.

Speaker 7 So that was the first thing he thought of. Like, if he had it.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll invite him back on. We'll see how it goes after he listens to today's episode.

Speaker 3 Well, I just hope he's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I hope he's okay. And you're right.

Speaker 3 It did make for compelling television. Yeah, it did.

Speaker 7 And I don't think he even knows that the internet even is commenting. Which I love.

Speaker 1 Even better.

Speaker 7 Afterwards, he took a car back to the hotel, and I saw him walking around the lobby, and I'm like, all right, he's fine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's doing fine. All right, Shrikes, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 And we'll hopefully see you and talk to you maybe this summer when we get closer to training camp.

Speaker 1 Football's back.

Speaker 7 It's back, dude. I want to get back on the bus.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Yes, let's do it. All right, thanks.
Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, good friend of the show, great friend of the show. It's Savros Halkias.
He is on tour. He's in Chicago live in studio.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 All the boys saw you last night at the Chicago Theater. So you're on a nationwide tour.
When did you start the tour? February. End of February.
And you're on a you have a bus, like a John Madden bus?

Speaker 1 Bro, I'm on I'm on Madden mode. It's fucking awesome.
So how sick is that? It's the best, dude. It's like you're living like the fanciest train car hobo of all time.
Like it's just me and my boys.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, you guys, Eldis is my best friend. He's my producer on my podcast and my tour manager.
So it's just like, I brought my friend

Speaker 1 Straight George to be the he's like the nutrition liaison. Is that the gay guy? He's actually straight.
Okay. He appears appears gay so that's where you make it really you know straight joy

Speaker 1 joy

Speaker 1 yeah yeah yeah yeah um but i brought my friend to be the nutritionist his only qualification was he was really fat in college and he's not fat anymore that's true enough yeah so that's huge wait now when he got when what was the transition from really fat to skinny was it like overnight was it quick he just i don't know something snapped in his head we were like freshman year we met we were both big boys we both crushed we both like bonded over yo yo when you get an unlimited meal plan as a fat kid, did that happen to you in Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 Because, you know, I was poor and fat as hell. So I had, there were like monetary limits to how much I could eat.
Right.

Speaker 1 But when you get that, you swipe it, and then they're not kicking you out of the cell. And the soft serve.

Speaker 1 Dude, I had soft serve with cereal in it for dessert every meal. I would put tricks in the vanilla soft serve or Captain Crunch every meal.

Speaker 1 And then if they had like an interesting pie or an interesting cake, I'm getting a little bit of that also. Yeah, you would.
You know what I I mean? You would do like,

Speaker 1 I remember being like,

Speaker 1 lunch would be like 15 chicken fingers, and then dinner would be like, oh, they got burgers or there'd be like steak night or weirdly lobster night or some shit. And you'd get that.

Speaker 1 But you'd also just get whatever the fuck, like a meatball sub if it was there. And you wouldn't, like, I know that I didn't go to class a lot.

Speaker 1 Like, I would read the book and say that that was a trick to college. Either you read the book or you go to class.
So I'd pick

Speaker 1 like some of them I'd go to class, some of them I just would never go and read the book.

Speaker 1 So there'd be days where I would just, I'd like go down, eat my meals, go back up to my dorm room, and then wait like four hours and then just go back down. Yeah, when it resets.

Speaker 1 You got to wait till they refresh the buffet.

Speaker 1 You didn't do anything in the treaty. Well, you probably played some Halo.
I watched PTI.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh man, I really worked up an appetite.

Speaker 3 Was your shit truly unlimited, or was it like, did they make you think it was unlimited? Truly.

Speaker 1 You could start that way. Yeah.
And eventually you figured out you were like wasting some kind of credits or something.

Speaker 1 But, bro, just in the beginning to do the damage, like I true, that was, I got so insanely fat.

Speaker 1 When you take the governor, when you take the governor of poverty off of like what a fat 19-year-old can do to himself, it's ugly. Wait, so straight George, I had a question.

Speaker 1 He got skinny. Did he do the dickhead thing where he got skinny and started taking off his shirt all the time? No.

Speaker 1 So is he still like a fat guy in his brain? Because that's always, like, everyone knows that guy who

Speaker 1 is fat, gets skinny, and and then all of a sudden he's got his shirt off like yeah he takes his shirt off at weddings takes his shirt off like if it's 55 degrees like oh man i gotta have my shirt off it's like dude shut the fuck up you were wearing sweatshirts when it's 90 degrees i remember this three years ago you were a shirt in the pool guy right like as of this in this presidential term right don't don't act like the you know you're brand new right now no he's a gentleman he still i think he just pointed his eating disorder in the right what direction like he hasn't cured himself he's just like now about like protein and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 God, he never, he's not, he didn't get the, he still is a little trapped. You can't ever truly escape being a fat kid in your head.
You can do really well.

Speaker 1 You know, I feel like I've burst through it pretty good, but it's always there on some level. You do look good.

Speaker 3 You look very good. You look awesome.
When you were on stage last night, I was like, holy shit, Stavi. Thank you.

Speaker 1 You're being hot on us. I appreciate it.
That's how you got to set the bar so low that weighing 290 and being 5'7, people are like, Jesus Christ, what do you fucking you get surgery?

Speaker 1 You do look good, though. Thank you.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 Do you have any, like, is there any fear deep in your brain that's like, if I get super skinny, I'm not going to be funny?

Speaker 1 Well, I'll never be super skinny. I mean, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 I'm never going crazy. I'm never going Al Sharpton Pez Dispenser head mode.
You know what I mean? When like that's that weird shit happens. I'm never going that way.

Speaker 1 I have always said big arms, little titties is the goal. Like, that's not no titties.
That's little gentleman's titties. You know what I mean? And like a big, like, get some big buys, big tries.

Speaker 1 That's all I want is is like bouncer physique. Like, I, people.

Speaker 1 Tony Soprano. Dude, season one, Tony Soprano

Speaker 1 is the hottest man ever that's ever lived, dude. Like, and that's all I want.
The girls who wanted to fuck him, that's who I want to fuck me. That's how I live my life.
I'll never being skinny.

Speaker 1 Is also not, what am I going to be? A balding 42-year-old skinny guy. Right.
That's despicable. Right.
Now's the time to be fat as shit. Yeah.
I'm going to peak in my 40s. That's it.

Speaker 1 Also, like, the pendulum's going to swing back to like the power of Tony Soprano.

Speaker 1 I think that that actually, we're kind of getting more alpha as a country. That might just be the new thing.

Speaker 1 I do think there is a, I don't know about the like trends like overall, but in my age, like, you know, as a single man in his mid-30s, now is the time where people are getting fat, they are getting bald, and they don't know how to deal with it.

Speaker 1 Right. They are scared.
You've been there. I've been here.
I'm Bane, and they're fucking Batman. You know what I mean? Like, I'm breaking their back.
Don't worry about the end of that movie.

Speaker 1 Just the middle, the third part. Three-quarters part of it.
When Bane was sick. Wait, do you remember? Because my problem is I've always had large breasts.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the moment when you were a kid when you realized that you were overweight? Because I remember though. Oh, wow.
You have a crystallized shit. I remember going to my friend's pool

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 my friends asked me. I took my shirt off.
My friends asked me if I could put my hands together. And I did that.
And my breasts popped. Oh, shit.
And they laughed. And I looked down.

Speaker 1 I was like, what are those?

Speaker 1 and it seared in my brain. Like, I was like, oh, no.
I didn't know I had tits. And from that moment on, it was like, because, you know, when you're like

Speaker 1 seven years old, you don't fucking know. Of course.
And then you're blissfully unaware. And the shame happened.
I was like, God, damn it. A true loss of innocence for little big cat.

Speaker 1 That's the joker for me. I'm looking at my tits.
Yeah, that's not pain. That's joker lips together.
I'm like, oh, no. And somebody taught him that.
Somebody's perpetuating fat phobia right there.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. They were juicy, too.
They were nice. No, so nice.
I'm not built like that. I'm not a fat guy with tits, honestly.
I'm a fat guy with a big-ass belly. I keep it pretty.

Speaker 1 That's really what it's the huge spare tire. Never have I had big-ass titties.

Speaker 1 I grew up with people. I went to high school with people that had the kind of tits that, like, he would fuck with people and, like, take videos of his tits, like, soapy in gym class.

Speaker 1 And he was, like, this, like, light-skinned guy. They just looked like.
awesome like Puerto Rican girls titties.

Speaker 1 And then you zoom out and it's, I won't say his name, but it was like this Arab kid with fat tits. It was so fucking funny.
Well, a great great joke to do in high school. He literally made, like,

Speaker 1 he would, like, make you horny, and they'd be like, ha ha ha ha, you're fucking gay, dude.

Speaker 1 Which is like, I don't know who's really losing there, but it was funny to make someone momentarily covet a man's breast.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you were talking about Costanza last night in your routine. And I saw, there was some episode that came on the other day, and Costanza took his shirt off.

Speaker 1 And I looked at him. I was like, dude, not fat at all.
He looks like, yeah, he's a pretty powerful dude. Yeah, like that.

Speaker 3 But the whole butt of the joke in that show was like, look at this fat piece of shit.

Speaker 1 He's such a fat piece of shit. And now, there is Sean who's even fatter.
Yeah, and also the shortness, I think, is always. Shortness, bald,

Speaker 1 loser. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 He does like I'm a loser combo.

Speaker 1 He hits the multiplier. But yes, he is still fat.
He's not considered not fat. And he just was like a regular guy.
That episode where he like...

Speaker 1 Takes his shirt off and it's like Kramer's taking the pictures of him and he's like, it's so funny that this guy would have his shirt off.

Speaker 1 It's like, I would true, like, if I got that size, I would be worried. Yeah, like that, like, to me, that's not a fat guy, right? But he also has that, he's kind of has a fatter face.

Speaker 1 I think that's a bald body.

Speaker 3 Yeah, if you go back and watch anything from the 90s, like everybody just went bald, and they'd have that, like, you know, the real crown of course around.

Speaker 1 I'm actually a little upset that I have, obviously, I'm not a man who hides his, you know, but I do kind of want to go straight horseshoe someday. So, hopefully, hopefully, I keep losing my hair.

Speaker 1 So, no, no, no, going to Turkey. We had a bunch of dudes

Speaker 1 from the office who went to Turkey. I saw some videos.
Yeah, they took fans. I think we're doing a second version this summer where we're going to find like the baldest dude we can possibly get.

Speaker 1 That's pretty fun, but I think you got to just take what the Lord gives you, man.

Speaker 3 I got my shit done last October. How's it first?

Speaker 1 Last September.

Speaker 3 I only did it because I wanted to keep the long hair. Right.
And there's no worse look. And like, my hair goes down.

Speaker 1 See, you know we disagree, though. Philosophically, I'm trying to get the bald ponytail.

Speaker 1 I'm really trying to.

Speaker 1 I was in something and they made me cut my hair, and I I was so pissed because I was like, fuck, dude, I don't want to have short hair, but I'm growing it back. I want to be a bald pony.

Speaker 1 You also should. I've always dreamed of like, if I ever got fully bald, especially the horseshoe, I would just rock a horrendous toupee and just dare people to say shit.

Speaker 1 Dude, absolutely. There's phases I've planned out for baldness where it's like, bald pony, I gotta achieve, right? And the clock's ticking because you want to have weird, fucked-up front hair, too.

Speaker 1 M50, who are you kidding? You would look sick. A skull.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 3 I think that it, like, I think you would look sick with a skull. I think my face, I can't grow a beard either.
Like, I can't grow. Either finished.

Speaker 1 Okay, I got a fucked up.

Speaker 3 You know what it was? I was standing in the TSA line behind a guy who was about my height

Speaker 3 and about my build.

Speaker 1 And he had long hair like me, down to like, you know, the middle of his back.

Speaker 3 And he was like, I don't know, probably two, three years past where I was at that point. And everybody in the TSIA line was staring at this dude.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And he had no idea that people were looking at him, being like, this guy looks terrible.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I resolved at that moment, I'm either cutting it all off

Speaker 3 or I'm going to keep it long and try to do it. I kind of wish I just shaved it all off because it sucks having long hair sometimes.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It is, I love the look.
I know what you mean. Like, it could have been an opportunity for you to kind of go drastic something else, but I just think you're committed to this.

Speaker 1 Bald, bald, long hair, bald, like, gambling prognosticator. Yeah.
Bald pony. Yeah, OTB.
You know what I mean? The way you dress.

Speaker 1 Come on, dude. It's all.
This could have been the next, the next phase of PFT. You get into like, you know, plaid suits and, like, really looking like a fucking down-and-out gambling horse tracker.

Speaker 1 You got to think about it. Like, right now, I'm with you.
In 10 years, you're going to wish you had a bald ponytail.

Speaker 3 Yeah, 50 years old.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it might go again. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I've been very diligent about taking my medicine.

Speaker 1 You see a guy with a bald, who's a bald ponytail, and it's like, that guy has had something catastrophic happen in his life.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like, oh, he was a professor at Princeton until something horrendous happened.

Speaker 1 He lost all his money in stocks or, you know, horse, you know, racing. It's powerful one way or the other.
Yeah. Because it's like he's got a story.
That energy. Yes.
He's got a story. That energy.

Speaker 1 Everyone, all eyes on you, brother. And it's like, are you man enough to handle that? It's like, I made it through something.

Speaker 1 That guy with that, that look has never been a boring person. Exactly.
You just sit down and you're like, hey, what happened? Something's up. They'll just exactly.

Speaker 1 Either it's the most, it's the worst shit that's ever happened to him, or he doesn't even realize. He's so like, he thinks he's fucking so sexy.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Like, what I want to be, I don't know if you, Danny DeVito and Twins. You re-watch that movie, dude.
He's so awesome. He's like four-foot-tall, bald pony, slaying whole.

Speaker 1 My man is just getting pussy left and right. And the whole thing is like, he's a pussyhound that mistreats women.
And Arnold Schwarzenegger is like his perfect brother that respects women.

Speaker 1 It's a great movie. But anyway, that's who I want to be one day.
Toupe, I would love to do at some point.

Speaker 1 balding blonde skullet at some point. You know what I mean? Like

Speaker 1 really get the like trash going. I have a lot of designs for my horrible hair.
so you said when we sat down that you've been walking 20,000 steps a day? Yeah. Is that should we should we credit Frank?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, Frank Walks. Are you a Frank Walks? Uh, I like a great success story.
I'm, you know what? I, I won't, I won't hate all. Yeah, put me under there.
Why not? You did it.

Speaker 1 Let's throw, let's give it a case. I'll give Frank some credit.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I do like that. But I think we got to that idea when you're just in so fucking fat and your body is useless.

Speaker 1 And you, like, what happened to to me is I kept trying to work out, and I would every time just get hurt, and I was like, All right, man, let me just walk so fucking far.

Speaker 1 I'm too fat to even do like you know, tricep pull down, you know, like I would just blow something out in my elbow, and I would try and lit, you know, you try and like lift everything.

Speaker 1 You're like, if I'm max out on bench, maybe I will wake up not fat tomorrow, yeah, you know, like once you're in the gym, but deadlifts are the key to the perfect exactly, just keep throwing out my back, just fucking walking hunched over and shit.

Speaker 1 And so, yeah, I just, and I'm on the road too, and sometimes it's hard to find a gym or do some research. Bro, I just wake up, walk long as fuck for like to start my day.
And that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 It's also like an awesome way to see a city. Absolutely.
Exactly. You just be like, I'm just going to walk in a direction and then come back.
That's exactly what I do.

Speaker 1 It's like, I might, yeah, just go. We've been going to like, I'll go to like a thrift store or an antique store and try and find like interesting DVDs.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 We just got, we're still looking for gold member. We got the other two Austin Powers.
Yes. We're crushing that on the bus.
We just got Double Play, Dennis Rodman, and Jean-Claude Van Damme.

Speaker 1 Do you know how sad that is that what you just said? What's that? Like how old we're getting?

Speaker 1 I'm going to an antique store to find a DVD.

Speaker 1 What the fuck, dude? Dude, the youth is going to hate this episode. This is about losing your hair and going for nice low-impact cardio to find outdated forms of media.
DVDs were just shit. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I was talking with someone the other day.

Speaker 1 Remember the six months that Laserdicks discs had a run? Where it was just huge DVDs? Yeah, I caught the very tale. I only watched it.
This is the future. Yeah, I only watched Star Wars with that.

Speaker 1 And I was like, this is fun. And I also thought because it was space that it was like connected, that it was like futuristic.
And then I never saw him again.

Speaker 1 So in my head, it was like, oh, that's how Star Wars.

Speaker 1 Just made them smaller. He sat us down in the library one day.

Speaker 3 I was in like fourth grade, and the librarian was like,

Speaker 3 This is your future, children.

Speaker 1 Everything that you're going to ever watch is going to fit on this tiny, thin little.

Speaker 1 It was the size of a record. Right, right, right.
Yeah, it was just a metallic record. And they're like, we used the entire school budget on this one machine.
There was that.

Speaker 1 And then six months later, it was gone. Then there was

Speaker 3 the milk pouches. Did you guys ever get the milk pouches? I was milk pouches.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Yeah, our cafeteria ladies, one day, they were actually in PE class.

Speaker 3 They're like, okay, we have a video to show you guys because the way that you drink milk in this country is about to change forever. And then they passed around these little bags of milk.
Bags.

Speaker 3 Yeah, bags.

Speaker 1 Capri Sun style?

Speaker 3 Capri Sun style, but like... Less structured.
Less structured. You couldn't stand it up up on it, man.
It was like a plastic pouch of milk. And they're like, we're not going to do cartons anymore.

Speaker 3 You're never going to drink out of a carton ever again. It's going to be these bags of milk.
Here's how you stab into it. They showed us.

Speaker 3 Like, whatever you do, after you're done drinking it, do not blow the pouch back up and then pop it.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. And that didn't really work out.

Speaker 3 In fact, we popped it so much, I think every kid across America that they tried to teach the bag milk procedure to just start popping it. Of course.
They're like, fuck that.

Speaker 3 We're going back to cartons. But in Canada, they just drink out of bags all the time.
That's like their style of milk.

Speaker 1 like Franzia, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Slap the bag with some whole milk, baby, kids slapping the bag.

Speaker 3 You could chuck one of those so far, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're actually ooh, that's like a they gave you a water balloon full of milk. Yes, yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 Surely the children will care about their health. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait, so what, what's the best city you've been to? Oh, dude, I don't know. I mean, I love, I liked, I had a great time in Madison.
Uh, you're alma mater, obviously.

Speaker 1 I really love, dude, I love Minneapolis. Minneapolis is a very good city.
And I caught it with some great weather.

Speaker 1 They have incredible food.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 we got insane sushi. This place, Billy's sushi is incredible.
There's lakes right there. The lakes are great.

Speaker 1 The Mississippi River's there, which actually fucked with me because I'm like, that's too far north, little buddy. Yeah.
Get the fuck down.

Speaker 1 Why are you up here? But it's, I love a nice, I truly am a fucking old man, dude. I love a nice on-the-water walk.
Yeah. Like, it just soothes my brain, and I'm just fucking strolling.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I loved it. The food was great.
I got a hotel with a a sauna and like an outdoor heated pool. Oh, hell yeah.
You just fucking roasting.

Speaker 1 I mean, truly old European man activities, but I loved it, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 3 The Dream Boat Tour.

Speaker 1 Dream Boat Tour, yep. The show in Minneapolis was great, too.
So you're not taking any flights? Bro,

Speaker 1 I'm doing like 50 cities. I've been on a plane four times.
I'll be on a plane four times total. So what was the longest drive you've done? We did like from Vancouver to like fucking

Speaker 1 somewhere in Southern California. I don't remember Fresno or some shit.
Wait, which sucked, Dick, by the way. One of the worst places of all time.
I got sick.

Speaker 1 Fresno sucks so much, Dick, dude. I was working out at the I go to the gym, and there's a guy just clipping his toenails just outside, just like on a bench, bro.

Speaker 1 It was not like, there's people like going to squash courts, and it's just like the guy's just like staring you dead in the eye, not

Speaker 1 like embarrassed whatsoever. And it seemed like guys who were like, not quite homeless, but not homeless.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 These are guys that kind of get access to a house maybe 12 days out of the month. And they were taking up their time at a gym in Fresno.

Speaker 1 But I think I got low-grade, you know, some kind of flu just working out there. But that city sucks dick.
Bakersfield, you know, also kind of sucks dick, but was fun. Fun shows.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, I mean,

Speaker 1 inland California, like, you never hear anything about it. So

Speaker 1 hey, what's going on over there?

Speaker 1 They would rather you not know. Yeah.
But yeah, I just,

Speaker 1 that image of that, like, fucking possibly displaced man clipping his toenails by a fucking lat pull-down machine will stick with me wait so so yeah it was like 18 hour drive what was the decision because most like comedians i feel like when they do a big tour like this they go home during the week and then they go back out and you're like i just want to be out so you're how many how many months are you going to be away from home uh like two and a half total wow yeah it's a lot i mean it's a lot but i also like I kind of just wanted, first of all, Madden style.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like DVD player. I got my snacks.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, I'm trying trying to be healthy you got the bed in the back got the bed we got no I sleep in a little cubby no way I love the cubby I don't have the star I'm a man of the people there's no cubby is actually nice you feel like you're you feel like a little baby like no

Speaker 1 when you were a baby and your parents would take you to the car to make you fall asleep that's what it feels like I sleep great on there but it's me and my best friends it's basically a rolling slumber party and all of them have like families that they're like away from and for me I'm like isn't this great guys can't we just live like this forever you know what I mean like but it's fun as shit and and yeah I don't it caught I think it just costs a lot of money, but dude, I just wanted to be fun.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm just trying to have a good time, and I'm also trying to be less fat.

Speaker 1 Like, if I, every other tour, I would gain maybe 40 pounds, and I was like, if I have that happens again, I'm going to die like fast.

Speaker 1 Like, it's going to be like a matter of like five years if I keep gaining weight. So, that's why I was like, we're getting the bus.

Speaker 1 I literally, like, I bought a hot plate and I was legitimately cooking like chicken like a fucking like divorced man on like a like camp burner on the bus in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 It was raining and I was like if I leave

Speaker 1 it stopped raining and then my friends were like let's go out for a walk I was like if I leave I'm getting like four po boys yeah so I'm staying in the bus cooking the saddest chicken like divorced dad chicken and like beans from a can and just like eating it on like a you know a hugely successful like a 50 city tour of like 2500 seat theaters.

Speaker 1 I'm fucking eating like a divorced guy.

Speaker 1 Do you have TV on there? Brother, we got we got the setup is awesome because it's a bus, right? And

Speaker 1 it's like a bench on one side, bench on the other side, like passenger and driver's side facing each other.

Speaker 1 You have a TV on either side. So we're standing like this.
We're both watching TV.

Speaker 3 We're watching TV together.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at my boy get, you know, look at, you know, Chuck Norris take down David Carradine. You know what I mean? While we're just, it's the best, dude.
I'm drinking zero sugar root beers.

Speaker 1 I'm gotten very into regional diet sodas. Yeah.
Shout out to Grape Pico,

Speaker 1 strange soda that tastes like syrup.

Speaker 1 You are Frank.

Speaker 1 Is he a diet soda guy? Well, no, he's a soda reviewer. Oh, Frank.
And Connor Starr. He'll, if you give him a drink.

Speaker 1 I got to get in here with Frank because I'm peripherally. I love what I see from Frank.
I love how pissed off he gets at things that should not

Speaker 1 really affect a grown man that much. I love to see that kind of passion, and I love him walking.
I didn't know he was a soda guy. He's a soda.
Some all in my trade.

Speaker 1 You could give him a food and he'll pair it with the soda. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Is he a diet guy now that he's healthier?

Speaker 1 He doesn't.

Speaker 3 He likes sugar.

Speaker 1 I think it's just more less because I think there was a time when he was like 15 a day. God

Speaker 1 damn.

Speaker 1 No, maybe I can be Diet Frank, dude. Yeah.
I could be the diet. Because I love.

Speaker 1 Listen, how much time you guys got? 7-Up's got a new tropical that they're doing. Really good.
Really, you should check it out.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I'm drinking my diet sodas at protein bars, all that kind of shit.

Speaker 3 What are your favorite diet sodas? Because I think the diet root beers are pretty good.

Speaker 1 Diet root beer is great.

Speaker 1 There's a Dr. Brown's cream soda that's a diet that's very good.
Very good stuff.

Speaker 1 Everyone's going to hate this episode.

Speaker 1 And I'm not stopping, by the way.

Speaker 1 There's a Cherry 7-up they just came out with that I really enjoy. So yeah,

Speaker 1 wild cherry Pepsi. Classic.
I remember that. Oh, my favorite.

Speaker 1 That's back, baby. And they got a cream version, which I don't like as much.
But yeah, I'm telling you, brother,

Speaker 1 that's my only vice left because i've been sober half the time dude i've been i've like i'm having some diet sodas for sure wait what do you mean sober half the time i've been it's so hard not to smoke weed dude oh because it's so because you're not you're not sober you literally we were going to do well today

Speaker 1 and you text me like hey can i come at seven i got high and i got to watch rush hour

Speaker 1 dude it came on to me i was i literally i was like about to put my shoes on and rush hour came on and i was like fuck i just had some lamb. I'm pretty high.
I don't want to get up. And I texted you.

Speaker 1 I was like, dude, I got to watch Rush Hour. And I own it on like two other streamers, but I watched it on Tubi with a commercial.

Speaker 1 It's on naturally. There's nothing better.
It feels so good, dude. It feels incredible.
It's a good thing. It feels natural.
Oh, it's the best.

Speaker 3 You're half frank and half mint.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Minty's

Speaker 3 minty sober is what we call them. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Good clean living. Oh, dude, I, yeah, I'm trying to stay away from Kush.

Speaker 1 Kush will make you snack, but

Speaker 1 when you do a show and it's like late as fuck and you're like amped up,

Speaker 1 it's like so unnatural for people to be like cheering for you and you're like, you've done nothing. You feel like you haven't accomplished anything.

Speaker 1 And then 2,000 people are like, ah, and then you got to go to bed. And then you got to go to bed.
It's like, come on. Smoke a little Kush.
It's not the end of the world.

Speaker 3 What do you do right after a show?

Speaker 1 Nothing crazy. Like, dude, I'm not.
I used to go out. I used to like, you know, maybe go to a bar or something or get like a crazy, go to a cool like diner or something.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm boring this tour because I'm trying to stay alive. So I'm just like in the green room.
The stay alive tour. It really is.
I'm trying to stay alive so bad, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 let's see our 70s, the tour.

Speaker 1 Let's make it to at least 71, the tour. But I don't do shit, dude.
I hang out.

Speaker 1 I have a yogurt, maybe a protein shake. I get my steps backstage.
I'll fucking walk back and forth if I haven't finished my steps.

Speaker 1 Dude, and then we go back and

Speaker 1 we watch a movie we hang out that's pretty much it dude it's not that also sounds fun but that's also it's being 36 that's the reality like when we go and we do like grit week or we go super bowl week and everyone's like you guys must party the whole time it's like not really because like if i did we wouldn't be able to do our job of course yeah i'd be dead i know i it started like maybe the first the like the first the tour we started a casino and we were like gambling all night and i just got and you know i just got sick within like four days right yeah your body just stops and so then i realized like, fuck, I, at a certain point, you have to put on a show.

Speaker 1 Like, you have to do a good job. People came.
That's the other thing with theaters. Like, I feel like, oh, fuck.
These people made a plan to be here. This is like a shitty comedy club.

Speaker 1 It's a date night. It's like classic statues and shit.
I know, dude. It's cargo funny.
There's chandeliers. The end of the tour, though.
Like the end of Super Bowl week, we'll go out.

Speaker 1 Like, you're going to go out at the end of the tour.

Speaker 1 You probably close. Well, it wraps up.
Well, dude, we actually end the tour on like a three casino run. Oh, yeah.
And then Mother's Day in DC. So, like, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I'm going to just be so wildly hungover for that show. Yeah.
And my mom's probably going to be there.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, we're ending with like some shitty Eastern Seaboard casinos where we are going to go fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do love the idea of somebody buying their mom tickets to Stavi's show for Mother's Day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're going to love this, Mom. If it's a very specific type of mother, I'm interested.

Speaker 1 If we have a precocious seven-year-old who's trying to get his mother tickets to my show, hit the DMs with their most recent headshots.

Speaker 3 Are you watching any of the NBA playoffs?

Speaker 1 I'm barely watching. That's been the hardest part of this tour, actually, is that you just kind of, you plan these things a year out in advance.
And like, I didn't get to really enjoy Duke choking.

Speaker 1 I didn't really, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Do you have any questions about it? I can tell you everything. Dude, it was.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was kind of, I like, I've done that so much where I like catch games right after, or I'm like, oh, fuck, this game's going on. Because I've just been performing every cool sporting event.

Speaker 1 So I'm really, I'm just started kind of paying attention again a little bit. I'm obviously rooting for the Knicks.
The Bucs, I'm a little, you know, they're in such a fucking tough,

Speaker 1 tough spot. I mean, I'm, I'm close, because I have, no, I love Milwaukee, but I have no true loyalties to it, I'm kind of in, let's get Giannis out of there mode.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, let's get him to the Knicks. Let's collude.
Come on. Come on.
Come on.

Speaker 1 We got to go Stern style. You know what I mean? Enough with the gentle commissionering.

Speaker 1 Let's fucking pull some fucking stars.

Speaker 1 Giannis to fucking the Knicks. Let's go.

Speaker 3 I mean, Milwaukee had a couple good years where Stavi was a big fan. You were supportive.

Speaker 1 I am still supportive.

Speaker 3 So now you're like, I'm still supportive, but also now's the time when

Speaker 3 we got to cut the loyalty to the team off and do what's best for you, Giannis.

Speaker 3 And that's for you to play for my favorite team. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Because everyone, a city I live.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Greek loyalty for sure, first and foremost. But yeah, I mean, I respect it because I love when you try something cool, even though it seems kind of dumb.
Damon Giannis was awesome.

Speaker 1 That's a great thought experiment. Try it.
I mean, the Raven, he kind of people were kind of saying that about when we signed Henry, where they're like, this is one of those on-paper moves.

Speaker 1 He's an over-30 running back. And it's like, can you just shut the fuck up and let cool shit happen? Right.
Hopefully.

Speaker 1 And we, so I feel like I went one for two in my life for those things. And I can't be too fucking, yeah, you know, I can't be too picky.

Speaker 1 You did a you did a reunion with Come Town with Adam and Nick.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it was hilarious having you guys back together. Were you, was it too, like, how'd it come about? How did it come about that you guys were doing? Because you guys only broke up three years ago.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So was it too soon? No, it wasn't. I mean, it was awesome to see.
Nobody thought. See, the thing is, we didn't really think of it as a reunion.

Speaker 1 Like, everyone, it's like we don't, like, just like the show, we've never thought about this. Right.

Speaker 1 It was just that, like, when it first happened, I think it was good for everybody to kind of do their own thing and, like, whatever. And we've been on great terms for like almost the whole time.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, when it first ended, it was a little weird, but like we've been friends.

Speaker 1 And then it was literally a scheduling thing where I keep, we kept saying, like, I'd love for you guys to come do the show or like, you want to do it.

Speaker 1 And then it just, before the tour, I had to fucking do a bunch of episodes. And also, I think,

Speaker 1 you know, I think Nick, once Nick decided he wanted to do his own thing and it was like officially all three of us were going to be separate, it kind of felt like, okay,

Speaker 1 now it's, it's like, let's, yeah, and it's not them two doing something.

Speaker 1 Because Adam wanted to do his own thing with, like, he, so, even though he's still keeping the Adam Friedland show, it's really his now, and it's not like a collaboration.

Speaker 1 And so, we just decided, like, let's get together because now the Patreon is a pure, um, it's just like, um, what do you call it, like an archive? Right.

Speaker 1 So, no one really, we split that, and we were just like, well, if we're going to do that, we should, like, have one last.

Speaker 1 We were going to get together and record a five-minute message for the fans, but you get on the mics with the fellas, and it it feels like old times yeah and you just keep it going and then we recorded a little surprise farewell podcast and then right after we just did my podcast because it felt good right you know what i mean so it was just fun it was just a good time and yeah you guys should do a podcast together yeah it'd be really good we're remarking we have pretty good chemistry

Speaker 3 yeah i do like adam show do you watch adam show I've seen it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 At the beginning, I didn't watch it that much because, again, I didn't want to steal anything from my old partners. But yeah, it's very good.

Speaker 1 and when they I love seeing they they do a really good job of getting very specific people in a very weird context yes you know and and you get great shit out of that yeah it's very funny wait so uh so you did it were you I mean the the reaction probably I know that you weren't surprised, but it had to feel good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because

Speaker 1 it's a time and place for a lot of people who love that show. Definitely.
I count myself. Of course, and I get that.
I mean, like, even with a little

Speaker 1 distance, I mean, I always loved the show, and it's like, you really remember, like, damn, we had some great bits. Right.

Speaker 1 Like, we really, it's funny, we like you guys, we all, there was like a handful of people that launched like right in that same time. And there is like a weird kinship between everybody.

Speaker 1 Like, we all got too successful undeservedly. Like,

Speaker 1 we're good, but none of us deserve what's happening. No, it's the light

Speaker 1 bottle. You got ice, right time.

Speaker 1 And PFT and I are like the, you know, in the

Speaker 1 town where everyone starts breaking up and we're like, we're still good, right? We had like pieces of marrow breakup.

Speaker 1 It all happened pretty quick. Yeah, and we're just like, but we're good.
You're the married people that still fuck inexplicably. Yeah, and everyone's like, two times.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Two times a week.

Speaker 3 I thought Alex and Sophia were going to make it.

Speaker 1 But it's true. That like 2016, 17, that like range.

Speaker 1 When did you guys start Cumtown? Right around

Speaker 1 2015, maybe? 15, like maybe that was right before everyone had a podcast. Yes.

Speaker 1 And it was like the last time, because it was, you know, podcasts obviously started well before that, Joe Rogan, Bill Simmons, all these guys.

Speaker 1 So like, it's not like we invented podcasting, but I think that that was,

Speaker 1 I mean, KFC had a, you know, I was on KFC Radio for four years before that. KFC was the one who was like, podcasting is the future.
And he was like, dumb idea.

Speaker 1 But like that, yeah, that 2015, 16, 17 range where it's like.

Speaker 1 That was kind of the last time where you could break through unless you have like multiple Super Bowls or, you know, played a sport or done something. You're right.

Speaker 1 We were like, yeah, we're like, it's like when the NFL would draft a guy out of the fucking mines.

Speaker 1 That was us.

Speaker 1 We were just like, oh, yeah, I saw a strong guy pulling, you know, like working on a farm. Let's make him our lineman.

Speaker 1 We were just guys. He's got media careers.
He's a really good plumber.

Speaker 1 He's strong.

Speaker 1 But yeah, like, I don't think that you could, I think, like, I say that always because I hate when people have success and they just completely just oh my god like they're like luck had so annoying it's like dude luck had so much to do with it there's so many people in other generations that are more talented than all of us yeah that just no one will ever hear of right and they will die doubting themselves and they just were unlucky and we were lucky yeah you were right you should you were right to believe in yourself yeah sorry yeah but yeah that was the last time where i feel like you could break through as just like idiots that didn't have a ton of talent exactly and could kind of learn it on the fly the wild thing about come town was you know how people say like Tropic Thunder, that movie could never get made today?

Speaker 3 They say that shit. So with Come Town, it's like you guys are the podcast that would actually do better today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like

Speaker 1 you guys did your shit

Speaker 1 in the worst times.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. People did not like it, man.
Not at all.

Speaker 1 You're right. I think it actually probably, but you know what? That was the magic of it.

Speaker 1 It's true. Counterculture.
People now are doing it in a way that's so pathetic. And like,

Speaker 1 people just trying to be like, just trying to be pure trolls. Right.
Whereas, like, our show is like when you're with your boys and it, it's that feeling of like no one's listening.

Speaker 1 Let's say the most fucked up thing that makes us laugh. Right.
We were just stupid enough and had nothing going on in our lives. We're like, let's just put it on a microphone.
Who gives a fuck?

Speaker 1 We're fucking poor. Nick had ringworm.
I was living in a windowless room.

Speaker 1 We had nothing you could take from us. So we were like, fuck it, we'll say the most fucked up shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it was awesome. And the response was great, dude.
I mean, it was like,

Speaker 1 because there's so much weird shit where people think we're not friends or like, they just don't understand that

Speaker 1 you just do different creative stuff.

Speaker 1 Also, come down couldn't last forever. It's like, you don't want, you don't want a fat, like the aging guy.

Speaker 1 We just spent the first part of this podcast talking about like slow cardio, diet sodas, and how to deal, how to manage male pattern baldness. That's where we are in our lives.

Speaker 1 You don't want this guy saying fucked up shit. It's pathetic.
When you're like old as shit and trying to be a troll, that's sad.

Speaker 1 Look, that's a new generation of people to do it. You know what I mean? Like, there's probably like 22-year-olds, 24-year-olds that are doing the come town of today.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is because I'm fucking old. You know what I mean? But that's good.
But the generation. I'll also say that you have stayed young at heart.

Speaker 1 And I think that people who try to shame that always is so funny to me. Like, I'll get it a lot where people are like, 40-year-old, father of three, like, grow up.
It's like, no, dude.

Speaker 1 I don't have to grow up. Yeah, you can't do that.
That's the best part of this.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 1 I could literally just be an idiot for the rest of my life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Like, I feel like I went pro at hanging out.
Yeah, right. That's what my job is.

Speaker 1 It's having a good time. You know what I mean? It's awesome.

Speaker 1 You guys, too. You're just hanging out.
You're guys. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, nobody tapped into how most sports guys just like hanging out. That's why your show's fun for athletes.

Speaker 3 Let's put on a tie and talk about sports.

Speaker 1 That's what you want for the longest time. I I know.
That's so funny. It is so funny.
That nerds, that nerds fucking controlled that. Yeah.
And, like, what does it mean for society?

Speaker 1 It's like, how about, like, we just want to, like, this last week. The color I cheered for as a baby has to beat the color I hated when I was a baby, or I'm going to be pissed.
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 That's what sports actually is.

Speaker 1 We did it last week. We just.

Speaker 3 You mentioned somebody on the team that you cheered for when they were a baby, they're like a really bad guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Then you just find out all the legal reasons why technically they're not that bad about that.

Speaker 1 But it's still okay for me to like.

Speaker 1 All sports fans have had to become legal experts at some point. Yeah, absolutely.
Just because someone got into hot water. You know, we were laughing last week.

Speaker 1 We just, we decided Arch Manning can't win the big one. And Texas fans were getting so mad at us.
So fucking.

Speaker 1 This is what you do with your friends. Yeah.
Just like troll your friend. Totally.
Just be like, yeah, your guy sucks. Just mock a child.

Speaker 1 Like a strong child, but still like a 20-year-old. Or a child who could kick our ass.
Of course, of course.

Speaker 3 I feel like as a Manning, though,

Speaker 3 I don't have to respect the child aspect. You're right.
Because he's already royalty. So, yeah, you're a choker.

Speaker 1 A 14-year-old Manning. A 14-year-old Manning is like a 50-year-old with a 401k mortgage.
For sure. You're right.
He's set. That motherfucker's set, even if he blows it for sure.
And he can't.

Speaker 1 I've heard actually from sources, he can't win the big one. Yeah, the media is too.
I actually have some sources at UT,

Speaker 1 and they were telling me they're really scared.

Speaker 1 They're looking at the transfer portal for a quarterback. You can quote me on that.
Inside sources from the mothership in Austin.

Speaker 3 So, so, yeah, the NBA playoffs going on right now. I know that I used to listen to the pipecast.
Yes. Which was very funny.

Speaker 3 I miss your sports take. Thanks, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Dude, what breaks my heart is that, you know, I've always been a hoops.
Like, you know, even when we were first friends, I was totally like a hoops fanatic.

Speaker 1 And I didn't, and I watched the Ravens, but I didn't care that much. I hate that with age, like, the NFL is inevitable.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's one day a week, and they know that and the may where they might fuck up is overstretching themselves.

Speaker 1 I really believe that but like I love hoops more than anything but I don't I used to like get fucked you know I would go to a show I would be a comedian in New York trying to make it I'd have shitty shows to like 11 or 12 I'd come back and catch league pass every night.

Speaker 1 I would watch the West Coast games on the East Coast. Every single night I would get something fucked up from a deli and watch like the Kings play the Thunder or something, right?

Speaker 1 And I was watching and I would wake up every morning and look at the highlights of the game, the games I didn't want.

Speaker 1 I was like clued into everything, but now that I like have shit to do and responsibilities, like the NBA needs to be half the games, and they need to pick like, you know, Wednesday or Thursday and Sunday or something like that.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 1 yeah, own one day of the week, and that's what's so frustrating.

Speaker 1 And I love football, obviously, I love the Ravens, but it's like, I just, why that feel, you can't beat that feeling of like, ah, don't even fucking bother me.

Speaker 1 I'm going to fucking grill something and I'm going to eat it throughout the day. i'm gonna pick it up at a at an eight pound pork shoulder from 10 a.m to fucking you know 11 30.

Speaker 1 yeah and that's gonna be my day don't bother me and i wish i could do that with hoops i would love like christmas mlk day i love those days dude where you could just like sit on the couch they have like a bunch of and that's why i am looking forward to i have a couple off days on this run it's just brutal because i have like Every single day a different city.

Speaker 1 But on an off day, I'm going to watch some playoffs. But yeah, it breaks my heart that basketball is just hard to follow when you have responsibilities.

Speaker 1 I mean, the NFL is just every game matters. True.
It really, like, the NBA. I love NBA basketball.
I love basketball.

Speaker 1 I just can't, the regular season, I can't, like, just let me know when the playoffs start, and I'll be tuned into every game. Yeah.
But it's just

Speaker 1 50. If it was 50 games, every game would matter.

Speaker 1 Every game would actually matter in the standings.

Speaker 1 It would have a little juice. And I'm one of those guys that I loved the bubble.
I thought the quality of basketball was good.

Speaker 1 I thought that it was like that it was, you know, it was tournament style. They were like the best, they were like better rested.

Speaker 1 Like, I think they didn't go a nut far enough with the in-season tournament. I'm like, put them in a fucking, put them somewhere for a month.

Speaker 1 I like those games, and it felt like it kind of fake recreated the, it wasn't March Madness, but it kind of gives you enough of that placebo of March Madness. But I don't know.

Speaker 1 I am worried about like just,

Speaker 1 you know, my, you're right, my, just your ability to follow the NBA and how meaningless a middle of the, you know, year is.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we're if they did it like the, the reverse where they put every team in a bubble, like maybe not on Disneyland, and then if you want to leave the bubble, you got to win.

Speaker 1 Ooh, and so

Speaker 3 and if you lose, I don't know what the punishment would be, but you have to stick around the bubble for like an extra month.

Speaker 1 Okay, there's just like, you know, big-titted women just like out right outside the building. Right, oh, they got a gate set up.
They got a gate that set up. And they had just like a line of

Speaker 1 source, yeah. Like when you're shooting free throws, you could like peer peer into the outside with just groupies, delicious food trucks.

Speaker 1 The only problem with that is we just end up having to watch like 50 Hornets Wizards games.

Speaker 1 LeBron's out of there fast.

Speaker 1 Jokic is gone after day two. We're like, fuck.

Speaker 3 Jordan Poole, I think, would actually be very motivated. He would be.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's true.
That is true. Yeah.
No, I love that idea. With Play for Freedom.
All right, wait, wait. So when we did do the can't win the big one.
Yeah. With

Speaker 1 Archman. Don't even you fucking motherfucker.
His name was put up. Come on, man.

Speaker 1 Fuck you guys. I mean he can't.
He's gonna do he's fine. But he's worried.
He's fine.

Speaker 1 See, I'm not I like Lamar Jackson. I like Lamar Jackson.
You can hear it in my voice. I really believe it.
He's fine. He's fine.
I'm not worried.

Speaker 1 I'm not worried at all.

Speaker 1 I'm fine.

Speaker 1 I had this suck the other day.

Speaker 1 You'll never get me on record, you motherfuckers. He's fine.
Fuck you, guys. Josh Alley.
He's fine. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
He couldn't win it either. What about him? No, no, no.
I know.

Speaker 1 Is he on the list? Hold on. No, he wasn't.
Oh, well, fuck you. He's on the list.
No, no, no, no. He's on the list.
He's friends of ours. No, the refs, we don't.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 We fucking journalists. No, we don't do that.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 we keep you off of lists because we're friends with you.

Speaker 1 No, but I was thinking about this the other day, and it was kind of a depressing thought because I like Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. I like all three of those guys.

Speaker 1 They're so much fun to watch. Yes.
One or or two of them is not going to win a Super Bowl. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 1 if you power the fucking Bengals, how about we start there? Right. Such a dumbass dog shit organization.
Can't know how to fucking sign a wide receiver. They don't know how to fuck.

Speaker 1 I mean, these fucking idiots don't know the cap. Like, what's your job? Shouldn't there be a guy that knows the cap on the fucking Bengals? Like, they do everything so fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 How about we start there? One guy plays for the fucking Bengals.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 So it's one guy's out already.

Speaker 1 One guy made to the Super Bowl. So it's a 50.
I fucking flew. And that's the most he'll ever fucking do.
Fuck him and fuck you too.

Speaker 1 It just depressed me because those three guys are such good quarterbacks. And it's like, Mahomes is going to win a few more.
Maybe, hey, how about maybe the fucking, you know, maybe it's over.

Speaker 1 Maybe second half Patrick Mahomes can't win the big one. From starting today, Patrick Mahomes can't win the big one.
Listen, in 2025, he has proven he can't win the big one.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying, dude. That's what I'm saying.
But it depressed me. But I know that those guys are awesome.
And it's like, it's the Phillip Rivers.

Speaker 1 Like, where it's like, that guy was awesome at being a quarterback, and he wasn't, he never went to a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I still, the thing about Lamar though, I'll just, I mean, I, the comp I keep making is just Peyton Manning. He's cooler Peyton Manning.
Yeah. He's fucking electric in the regular season.

Speaker 1 And as a fan, every

Speaker 1 game, you're not going to fuck every game you want to see. He's going to do something incredible.
And like over time, just the joy he brings you. And by the way, he's winning a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I'm not worried about it whatsoever. He's going to win a Super Bowl.
But it's like,

Speaker 1 the value of every Sunday, maybe seeing the coolest highlight you've ever seen in your life, that's in play. And I think over the course of a career, it's equal.
It's not better.

Speaker 1 It's not better, but it's equal. And he's going to win one.
You're talking about it. Don't fucking go to me, you motherfucker.
You're talking like a bunch of people. That's a philosophical point.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just trying to say, what's up with all this rings culture? And we got to fucking win. How about you enjoy your life?

Speaker 1 Go out and smell the fucking roses every once in a while and enjoy the, you know, the beauty and the majesty of a fucking incredible highlight.

Speaker 1 You're basically doing the like, I wouldn't even want to win the lottery because your life would get rid of it. Dude, it's hard getting a lawyer.

Speaker 1 Everybody's fucking out to get something from you. I got a good life now.

Speaker 1 I make a nice living. No, dude, yeah,

Speaker 1 I wouldn't even fuck her if she tried. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Ariana.

Speaker 1 I do think Lamar is going to win one. I think the Ravens are a good enough organization where they just keep taking shots.

Speaker 1 Exactly. And he's going to figure it out.
Like, look, he's going to figure it out. It's fine.
Like, has he been up to his standards? No.

Speaker 1 But the more cracks you get at it, the the better you get at it. It's fine.

Speaker 1 He should be worse in the regular season. He's figure out a way to be a little bit worse.
That's a great point. No, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 Because then he could just be a little bit better. You're right.
In the postseason, everyone's like, holy shit, team on his back.

Speaker 3 Is he just tired in the playoffs? He's like, that was a long fucking season.

Speaker 1 Ooh, I hate to say this, but is he James Harden? Oh, he's not. He's way better.
It's not even fucking cool.

Speaker 3 He actually lost weight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And he was fucking electric this season.
Yeah. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 When I saw him at the start of the season, I was like, why?

Speaker 1 And he keeps talking about how he he lost like what 15 20 pounds yeah i was like lamar from where also lamar was never fat right no but he was he looks faster he looked faster do you still like do you find yourself still wincing every time he gets hit like please don't let that be the big one i'm terrified of the big one of course i mean yeah your boy's fucking skinny as fuck yeah uh but i mean lamar has had some injuries obviously but

Speaker 1 i i i am a little scared i've gotten a little more scared but i also think i don't think he should be afraid to just open it up a little bit you know i do think there is something to,

Speaker 1 whatever. We're going to have to get into the playoffs again, but it's like, I would have liked to see a little more

Speaker 1 Lamar running. I mean, our running game was like legendary, and I do think,

Speaker 1 I don't know, I'm still fucking pissed with you. I felt bad that you had to do, because

Speaker 1 we kind of have

Speaker 1 made you our Ravens fan. No, I was good.

Speaker 1 Not for what we did. Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no. Hold on, hold on.
Go ahead. I am not apologizing for having you on after you guys lost.

Speaker 1 That Katie Nolan also used you after her first show and by the way i felt bad for katie because i didn't know you're not supposed to curse or like or like they hadn't even talked it out and they were like i guess they were assuming they weren't gonna curse and then you you can't have me on after the race first guess yeah and just and not warn me but no that's that show was fun but yes it was really you did double dip i did have to double dip and i wasn't i was expecting to be triumphant i didn't think i i thought i'm gonna be fucking celebrating we're gonna win a fucking super bowl what are you gonna do yeah fucking tough yeah it could be worse.

Speaker 1 Could be way worse. Like I said, I'm enjoying my life.
Could be the Steelers.

Speaker 3 Could be the Browns. Yeah.
Steelers. Could have Deshaun Watson.
Exactly. Now you just have Justin Tucker.

Speaker 1 I don't know anything about that PFT. The man is a man of God.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen any police reports. I've seen him at mass.

Speaker 1 I've seen him. You know, that's where I've seen him.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what you're even talking about. You just get.
Listen, if there's a franchise that's equipped for Justin Tucker, it's the Ravens.

Speaker 1 You've got a fan base that has done, who's basically gotten their JD in in Ray Lewis and Terrell Sons. You're ready.

Speaker 1 You're going to skip Ray Ravens.

Speaker 1 You guys have more law degrees than any fan base.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the fan base is mostly guys who have represented themselves in court. You know what I mean? They've represented themselves in their own domestic abuse.

Speaker 1 It's a double whammy for...

Speaker 1 for Justin Tucker that he also started sucking this year. I mean, in hindsight, they're going to be all kind of making it.
In hindsight, maybe it makes a little.

Speaker 3 I think he was getting some emails around that time of year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're like, Justin, put your phone away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it makes a little sense why the man was nervous, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that is a tough one. And,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 disavow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I actually, whenever something bad happens, I will not pay attention until I have to so that I have plausible deniability. Yeah.
So I really haven't seen anything.

Speaker 1 Start of the the season, I will have to wait. This is not me going on record.
I'm not doing it now. Like I said, there'll be a time where you'll have to make a statement.

Speaker 1 I will have to make a statement, and it's going to hurt either way, no matter what it is, except I don't even know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 I'll probably make a statement about how excited I am for the Ravens and what a great guy he is. I don't know anything else going on.

Speaker 3 Are you going to take a vacation this summer? Like when the tour's over?

Speaker 1 I think I'm going to go to Greece, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Greece is the best. I'm going to go to Greece.
I'm going to try and do some UK shows, too, while I'm over there. Have you become a celebrity a little bit in Greece or no? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I think comedy is still like a like we just started getting stand-up comedy in Greece like five years ago before there was a lot of like, you know, you know, hitting, hitting little people in the face with pies.

Speaker 1 That was kind of the level of comedy going around.

Speaker 1 But I don't think yet, but, you know, who knows with, I guess Netflix is international, we got season two attires coming up. Oh, yeah.
That's going to be fucking awesome. Congrats.

Speaker 1 That shit got renewed like the day it came out, didn't it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it got renewed.

Speaker 1 I mean, I hope. It was really funny.
This season's fucking good, man. And we had like an actual budget this time.
Everybody's so, there's so many incredible guest stars. Francis is in it.

Speaker 1 Francis is in it. He was very funny.
We were on the same on the pilot. We were in the same episode.
He was great to work with. But yeah,

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be so good. I'm excited for it.
So hopefully, yeah, Tyres makes me a celebrity in Greece.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would think that would be like if you just go on vacation in Greece and you're just having women just all over you.

Speaker 1 that'd be nice i don't think i i don't think i'm there that's why not i don't know dude that would be awesome yeah sign me the fuck up um i yeah i think any greek name

Speaker 1 if you start getting anything going they'll like latch like they fucking celebrate tom hanks because his wife is sort of Greek. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, like, there's literally newspapers will like track where Tom Hanks vacations. Like, just because his wife helped produce my big fat Greek wedding.

Speaker 1 And so, you know, hopefully we get, if we get, like, if I get one more like mainstream credit, I think maybe, you know, we'll get some free gyro and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 What is about Greece where you don't have to pay your taxes?

Speaker 1 Just an easy-going lifestyle, man. No tattle.
We're very against tattle.

Speaker 1 Very against snitchy. That's Greece and Baltimore has that in common.

Speaker 1 So, you know, we're just hanging. Who cares, man? Just chill out.
We are a very hang-based society. Greek people love.
Like, they will just go, they'll get coffee for like four hours.

Speaker 1 Like, like take a nap afterwards it's awesome dude it's the best yeah oh all right i got one last question roback question r-h-o-b-ac-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take i guess this is uh

Speaker 1 this is the the draft episode because so what do you think about the ravens pick um dude that's how fucking bad that's how like no no you could just you literally could just be like steal because the ravens always do that yeah i mean like are you kyle hamilton ever No, no, no, you're right.

Speaker 1 Pro-Hamilton. First of all, yes,

Speaker 1 Steel of the draft.

Speaker 1 We have the best. Like, that's the thing.
That is part of it where I'm like, I don't know. Like, Wiggins, I didn't know him.
Yeah. Love him.
Yeah. The guy's got two fucking mouthpieces on him.

Speaker 1 That's what I want. I want a lunatic cornerback who thinks he's like the most, the strongest.
He's like, he's skinny as hell. I know he thinks he's the strongest man in the NFL.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, I want kind of an insane cornerback.

Speaker 1 And whoever, you're right.

Speaker 1 Whoever we get, always steals. Always steals.
EDC knows what the fuck he's doing. I feel, I mean,

Speaker 1 we have the best organization in the NFL.

Speaker 1 We crush the draft.

Speaker 1 We're going to load up. We're going to win the fucking championship this year.
It's going to be great.

Speaker 1 Here's my official stance. This kid's a steal.

Speaker 1 He's going to contribute right away. Love it.

Speaker 3 It's good confidence. Love it.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I hope you do like a

Speaker 1 really awesome player. I hope you guys pick like a character concerned guy so you have to answer for him and Justin.

Speaker 1 We'd have to kick her first round.

Speaker 1 Then the running, then the running on the wall.

Speaker 3 Even if you get like some shithead, you're like, well, we got a great locker room.

Speaker 1 Great locker room. So that's great locker room.
That's fine. Great locker room.
And if it's not the locker room, you got the veterans. Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs are going to come in and mentor.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Oh, yeah.
Steve Smith.

Speaker 3 Did you see the Steve Smith story?

Speaker 1 What's the newest one? Oh, when he was just...

Speaker 3 He was banging

Speaker 1 in the Ravens band. He's the man for that one.

Speaker 1 That's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 She was like texting me.

Speaker 1 Getting your dick sucked by the tuba player and then calling her husband a nerd to his face. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 She was like, you rearranged my IUD. And he was like, noted.

Speaker 1 Noted is the best. Noted, thank you.

Speaker 1 I'll put that under the file of pussy damage I've caused.

Speaker 1 Noted.

Speaker 1 All right, well, stop. You're the best.
We love having a lot of stuff. Thank you.
Yeah, please come see me at the tail end of the dream boat tour. Stavi.biz for tickets.

Speaker 1 Tire season two comes out, I think, June 5th, somewhere around there. Love it.
But yeah, that's all for me, guys.

Speaker 3 It was a great show. It was awesome.
Nice stand-up comedy. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I feel really good about it.

Speaker 3 The crowd loved it. You are Chapel Roan for guys, I think.

Speaker 1 For guys that look like me, I am Chapel Roan.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up. Long show.
Great show. A lot to talk about.

Speaker 1 We got numbers. We also got

Speaker 1 me. 17.
Shane is back from Italy Shane brought us gifts but he forgot them seven Shane brought us gifts but he forgot them Shane we want the gifts on Wednesday's show is that okay

Speaker 1 uh what sure what do you mean okay oh I want I want you to give the gifts when we're taping Wednesday's show on Tuesday and we'll get a recap of your Italy trip okay does that work yeah okay he didn't get max anything also did you kill the pope

Speaker 1 I did not kill the pope no were you in Italy when the pope died I was oh I was was on a

Speaker 1 train.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 getting out of town? Yeah. I was actually going more towards the scene of the crime.

Speaker 1 Oh, interesting. They always say the guy that did it

Speaker 3 hangs out around the scene. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Numbers.

Speaker 3 77.

Speaker 1 17.

Speaker 1 That was one number off from getting the 50-50 raffle tonight.

Speaker 3 77. 34.

Speaker 1 You're never going to get it. 21.
It's so much easier.

Speaker 1 You have a 50-50 chance.

Speaker 1 I'll do 36.

Speaker 3 Jack, did you say the number? We got to sim the lottery.

Speaker 1 Cooper flag finally declared 34.

Speaker 1 Jack, what do you say?

Speaker 1 34.

Speaker 1 15. 15.
Damn, two numbers on it. 15.

Speaker 1 Two numbers on.

Speaker 1 I'm getting hot. I'm getting hot.

Speaker 3 Wizards got it. Sim it again.
Let's go. Let's sim it one more time.

Speaker 1 One more time. Pelicans.

Speaker 1 One more time. Jazz.

Speaker 1 One more time. Jazz.

Speaker 1 How many times do we have to sim it for the Bulls to get it?

Speaker 3 Blazers. Wizards.

Speaker 1 Wizards. Spurs.

Speaker 1 Charlotte. Charlotte.
Oh, you're cold, Max.

Speaker 1 Have we seen the Sixers once? Sixers. There it is.
There it is. All right.
The next sim is going to be the one that's actually guaranteed.

Speaker 1 New Orleans.

Speaker 1 Fuck fuck that. Forget that.
That doesn't count.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.