Von Miller, Eagles GM Howie Roseman, Mt Rushmore Of Dream Blunt Rotation, Football Is Back + Zac's All Time Fyre Fest

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Speaker 1 sit down talk about how to build the team we haven't you know we've interviewed brandon bean ryan poles not a ton of gms this was a really good one and then we have our good friend recurring guest vaughn miller from the washington commanders uh that is the actually no it's not the end of our great week interviews because we have Travis Pestrana coming on Monday.

Speaker 1 We also have the Mount Rushmore of Dream Blunt rotation. We're going to talk a little football because we had some preseason games, smelling salts.
We had another dildo hit the floor in the WNBA.

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Today is Friday, August 8th.

Speaker 1 And in the words of my good friend at Zach Cornelius underscore, football is back. Our boys.
The first I heard say it. Yes.

Speaker 6 Yes. Hard knocks got hard knocked.
And we had some preseason football. Thursday was exciting.
We got to see a quarterback battle for the ages between AR-15 and Daniel Jones and Indy.

Speaker 6 It lasted just a couple plays until AR-15 broke his trigger finger.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, that was bad.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 I know this sounds lame, but it did kind of like my heart got bigger. I was like the Grinch when the heart gets bigger when I saw Zach tweet football is back.
It's like he's one of us now.

Speaker 1 He's finally

Speaker 1 everyone except one of us on this show right now is football is back guy. There's only one of us out,

Speaker 1 one outlier who mocks the football is back.

Speaker 6 You know what that was? That was his welcome to the NFL moment.

Speaker 1 What are you looking for, Hank?

Speaker 1 What? Sorry. There's something going on behind me.
You're just looking around? Yeah, it was welcome to the NFL moment.

Speaker 1 So, all right, we're on Zoom for the start of the show and for Firefest, we did in-studio for Mount Rushmore and obviously our interviews. Yeah, we have some football to talk about.

Speaker 1 The only thing I really noted was, I know, obviously you shouldn't take a lot out of the preseason games, but the Bengals finally learning from all their really bad starts and being like, hey, maybe we should have Joe Burrows start in these preseason games.

Speaker 1 Smart by them. And Trey Hendrickson just saw dollar bills all night because Tanner McKee looked awesome.
And the Bengals are going to probably want to have to sign Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 6 You kind of glossed over the fact that Tanner McKee looked awesome, though.

Speaker 1 He did.

Speaker 6 Really, really good. Tanner McKee is that dude, I could see him starting in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love this part of the season when we just get excited about guys that are like, if they actually had to play week one, it would be an abject failure. But during, you know,

Speaker 1 Trey Lance, Tanner McGee, McKee, like, these are guys that we can get excited about in August. Max is right.
No, Max is right.

Speaker 6 Tanner McKee, I would not be dismayed to see him starting week one.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I'm not saying dismayed.
I'm saying he would not be good.

Speaker 1 Disagree. Okay.
Yeah, Joe Milton. Joe Milton.
Cowboys fans are doing the entire.

Speaker 1 Joe Milton threw a ball really, really far, and Cowboy fans are now saying that Joe Milton is going to be the heir apparent.

Speaker 1 Like, I actually saw someone honestly say this is the first time Dak has had pressure on him with a backup in the last 10 years. And it's just like, okay, I guess if Joe Milton's pressure, sure.

Speaker 6 He is pressure.

Speaker 6 Joe Milton is a definition of pressure. I don't know if you saw the interview that he did.

Speaker 6 He was riding in the golf cart, cart, and the woman that was interviewing him said, so Joe, obviously you threw an orange over 100 yards. That's how she led off the interview, which is awesome.

Speaker 6 And then she says, what's the farthest thing that you've ever thrown? He said, it was probably a golf ball. I was at top golf.

Speaker 6 I threw a golf ball and it basically hit the back net, which is 225 yards. Jesus.

Speaker 6 So actually, Big T, because he's my Joe Milton conciliary, having been like the original survivor of the Joe Milton experience in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Not Not original, but he did survive Joe Milton. I actually remember talking to Big T when Joe Milton went to Tennessee.
I was like, he's not going to be good.

Speaker 1 And he thought that he was going to be good.

Speaker 6 We all know what we're signing up for Joe Milton, but I feel like he might have taken that next step. But Big T actually ran the numbers on this for me.
He said,

Speaker 6 let's see, to throw a golf ball 200 yards, you'd have to throw it 95 miles per hour at the ideal launch angle. So Joe Milton threw a golf ball 95.

Speaker 6 I honestly think if you can throw a golf ball 200 yards, you could probably break 90 on a golf course just throwing the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely. Like he might be.
That's not even a hot take.

Speaker 6 No, what would that put you at? Probably like around 80. You could probably break 80, maybe.

Speaker 1 It's like grandpa golf with your arm. Yeah, if you just throw right in the middle every time.
I mean, the putting would, we saw what could happen with the putting could be a challenge.

Speaker 1 And accuracy around the greens could be a challenge.

Speaker 6 Him one-on-one with Tony Romo, where he just throws the ball, would be a match I would watch. But yeah, Max, I'm with you, man.

Speaker 6 I would even say the Eagles should think about starting Tanner.

Speaker 10 That's wrong, but Tanner McKee has already played the Cowboys and he's already beaten the Cowboys.

Speaker 10 So if he were to play week one against the Cowboys, we've already seen a sample size of him winning that football game.

Speaker 1 Okay, so he would be fine. Would you feel good if Tanner McKee was starting the entire season? Okay, now rest my kiss.

Speaker 6 Would you feel good if Tanner McKee was starting week one against Joe Milton on the Cowboys?

Speaker 10 Joe Milton.

Speaker 10 You know, I'm a big Joe Milton.

Speaker 11 I know.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 10 And it sucks that the two biggest Joe Milton guys on this podcast are the two biggest Cowboy haters. It's such bullshit that he's on the Cowboys.
But Joe Milton

Speaker 10 is absolutely slinging it.

Speaker 10 He should be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 1 He should be on the Dolphins.

Speaker 6 Tyreek would instantly be happy.

Speaker 6 He would be awesome. Tyreek, you just run straight.
Let Joe throw the ball as far as he possibly can every single play.

Speaker 1 Whenever someone someone talks about Joe Milton,

Speaker 1 it's like an old person trying to give advice to the youth. Like,

Speaker 1 you guys are just going to make the same dumb mistakes that I made when I thought Joe Milton was going to be really good at Michigan and then Tennessee. And it's like, that's fine.

Speaker 1 But you can't do it. You can't do anything to change it.

Speaker 6 You act like I didn't watch Joe Milton in college at Michigan and at the time.

Speaker 1 And then you know that he's not good. I know full well what the Joey.

Speaker 1 You should not be excited about him.

Speaker 1 You should 0% be excited about him or think he could go for the job.

Speaker 6 I'm sorry that I'm romantic about the deep ball.

Speaker 1 The deep ball is awesome. The 75-yard bomb was so sick.
I watched it like five times, but it's just that's it.

Speaker 10 But it could be fun. Like,

Speaker 1 but I don't think anyone in the NFL, they wouldn't allow it because it would be fun and then really bad, and really bad would outweigh the fun. And then they would take, no coach does that.

Speaker 1 That's why we have like the same backups all the time.

Speaker 6 What if he just stops the really bad stuff, though?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Can he throw softer?

Speaker 6 He didn't think about it. Can he throw softer?

Speaker 1 I don't think he can throw softer.

Speaker 6 He should throw left-handed on touch passes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Or just like he should do, you should teach him rugby passes.
Yeah. Rugby passes for any screens would be perfect.

Speaker 1 All right. What else do we have? I mean, there's the,

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think. Michael Parsons now has a fake injury.
So that's where we're at with that.

Speaker 1 Smelling salts are back. That was

Speaker 1 that was a.

Speaker 1 So we, I feel I'm happy for George Kittle. Did you guys see also Levante Davids said that

Speaker 1 he has hit the smelling salts for every single drive for 13 years in the NFL? That's a lot of smelling salts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's the NFL clarified the teams aren't allowed to give out the smelling salts, but players are allowed to use smelling salts.

Speaker 6 You can bring your own from home.

Speaker 1 This is probably Roger Goodell just figuring out a way like he's getting a promo code from Amazon because I'm sure they're going to be sold out of smelling salts.

Speaker 6 Yeah, my affiliate link. He drops that in there.

Speaker 6 It was like a, I don't know if it was a point of confusion if somebody got the wires crossed or if Cadell just decided, like, I don't need the uprising. I deal with enough.

Speaker 6 I don't have to deal with players being pissed about smelling salts all the time.

Speaker 6 But I'm glad that they fixed it. I'm glad that they turned it around.
And yeah, we should get back in the smelling salt game here, a part of my take. I'm actually,

Speaker 6 I'm getting a big shipment for the boys.

Speaker 1 So you're paying Russia for Cadell.

Speaker 10 I also bought a big shipment for the boys.

Speaker 10 Forgot that we weren't going to be in the studio today.

Speaker 1 All the money

Speaker 1 Cadell definitely figured the way that he is getting.

Speaker 1 He probably, if you go deep enough, he has a shell company that just bought all the stock in smelling salts and ammonia. He's got, yeah, he's got the only tap to like the natural resource.

Speaker 1 Is ammonia even a natural resource? I don't even know what the fuck ammonia is. I think maybe,

Speaker 6 yeah, that's probably like in a DuPont chemical factory that they make overseas somewhere.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's runoff.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, what is ammonia? That's is that what's in smelling salts?

Speaker 6 Ammonia inhalant. Yeah, it's a

Speaker 6 chemical compound.

Speaker 6 I learned a valuable lesson one time, though, is cleaning up a fridge when I was like 18 years old. And I was like, oh, here's ammonia.
That cleans stuff. Oh, I've got bleach here.
That cleans stuff.

Speaker 6 Let me go ahead and use them and clean up this fridge. Started to get a nasty headache.
And I had to back away from the fridge. Turns out I could have died.

Speaker 6 It makes like mustard gas. So don't combine those two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm reading ammonia right now, and I don't know if anyone would read this and then be like, hey, I want some ammonia. A A colorless gas with a pungent, suffocating odor.

Speaker 1 It's a crucial industrial chemical widely used in fertilizers, refrigeration, and various chemical manufacturing processes. So, yeah, it's just, it's just runoff from every

Speaker 1 factory in America. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm glad that they brought it back, though. That was the absolute right call.
I also got something a little bit wrong when I was talking about the NFL's reason for why they banned it.

Speaker 6 I thought that they had banned ammonia inhalants because

Speaker 6 there's studies that show that they mimic the results of a concussion. But that's not true.

Speaker 6 The reason why they banned it originally was because it's been shown that it can mask the symptoms of an actual concussion, which you think?

Speaker 1 No doubt. That's what I was saying in the Josh Allen Texans game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was the moment where they were like, oh, he got concussed and then he just hit the smelling salts and was back in. Maybe we shouldn't do this.
But it's back.

Speaker 6 Our long national nightmare is over.

Speaker 1 That was a quick 24 hours hours of freaking out uh okay what else do we have because there's we got more dildos going on yeah more dildos should we talk about the dildos we can talk about it it was right after we taped almost like instantly within five seconds after we taped another dildo hit the floor i thought about hitting you guys up and be like should we hop back on and and add extra dildo talk but uh there was one dildo that hit the court i think it hit sophie cunningham i think it did as well kelsey plum kicked it off the court but then the real story was

Speaker 6 there was a second dildo that was thrown. Oh, that did, that did not hit the court.
There were simultaneous dildo throws. Only one struck the court.
So we're three for four.

Speaker 6 Some say that that other dildo was meant for the Capitol building, but it didn't make it all the way there.

Speaker 6 But there was one guy that got arrested afterwards, and I think he's charged with a bunch of stuff. And he might be involved in some sort of shitcoin scheme.

Speaker 6 And that's what the dildos were doing, which makes all the sense in the world.

Speaker 6 But it also makes me very, very afraid of what people will do to pump a shit coin.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Did you see how far people will take something past where we're at right now?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you see there was a dildo to MLB game as well? The green dildo.
They were doing that.

Speaker 1 It was right behind home plate where Marlin's man, it wasn't Marlin's man. He wears orange.

Speaker 6 His name is the Philly Fanatic that you put some respect on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I agree. As soon as I saw his shit coins, I was like, I think I'm out on the dildos.

Speaker 1 And also, I might have been out on the third anyway because

Speaker 1 it was funny. It's kind of like the Buffalo Bills one,

Speaker 1 the dildozer who we did a documentary about. It's funny in a one-off situation.
And then the second one, you're like, okay, that's kind of funny.

Speaker 1 And then if it just keeps happening, it's just a bunch of people copying someone who did it that was funny. And now that it might be a shitcoin guy, now it's not even funny.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I miss when people would throw a dildos for the love of the game.

Speaker 1 Right. And just for profit.
Right. Because

Speaker 1 they wanted a dildo. They thought a dildo was funny.
Now

Speaker 1 they're using these dildos incorrectly. Yeah.

Speaker 6 To fuck us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. With the shit coins.
They're going to rug pull us.

Speaker 6 The funniest possibility for the third dildo, if it was going to be funny, would be if it was a suction cup dildo and they had thrown it and it had stuck to the backboard.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then somebody would have to get up on a ladder and try to like pull it off with their hand.

Speaker 6 That would have been funny, especially if the dildo was lubed and then they couldn't get the dildo off the the bat and they kept having to try to grab and pull the dildo.

Speaker 1 Or if there was a way that you could have the dildo like hit the floor and it's a purple dildo or a black dildo, but then the minute it hits the floor, it then turns the green.

Speaker 1 So you're like, oh, the person didn't even get the right. Oh, shit.
It's transforming dildo. It's now lime green.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Or if the WNBA had leaned into it and been like, if a dildo hits the floor in the fourth quarter, everybody in attendance gets free chicken McNuggets. That would work.

Speaker 1 That would be good, too. By the way, I think there was free chicken nuggets at the Ravens game tonight because there was a doink, which is awesome.

Speaker 6 Oh, I like that.

Speaker 1 Also, I saw that the Ravens, because this is the part of the season where

Speaker 1 the local announcers get their shine because they get to call the preseason games. I think he's a legend in Baltimore, so it's no shot at him.
And it's with a G, but their announcer is Jerry Sandusky.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 You got to change that. You got to, or you got to really pronounce the G.
G.

Speaker 6 Jerry Sandusky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. It's got to be Gary.
You got to just be like,

Speaker 1 or it's like Jerry Sandusky with a G and just kind of throw it in.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think there, I could see his point of view when he's like, why should I change my name? He's the one that sucks. Like an office space.
But this guy really sucks. Right.

Speaker 1 Remember that there was that guy who

Speaker 1 was running. Was he running for some type of public office, maybe in New York, and his name was Harvey Epstein? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like, dude, how could, how do you not figure, you got to change something here, man? It was right in between the Harvey Epstein, Jeff, or Harvey Weinstein, Jeff Epstein.

Speaker 1 And it was just like, come on, man, figure it out. Middle names got to work.

Speaker 6 Got to move on from that.

Speaker 1 His middle name's Adolph.

Speaker 6 There's also an emerging story. If we want to talk a little seam, we want to talk a little baseball.

Speaker 1 Yankees,

Speaker 1 yikes. Yeah, they stink.

Speaker 6 Things are bad for the Yankees. And Yankees fans are just, they're at their wits' end right now.

Speaker 6 And it's sad, and I hate to draw a line to this, but the year where they decide to change their entire facial hair policy and grooming standards, things go downhill.

Speaker 6 Like, the Yankees, they should go back.

Speaker 1 Yes, they should go back, and you know what they should also do is go back to a manager that doesn't manage just off a spreadsheet. I feel like that's run its course.

Speaker 1 I feel like Aaron Boone's been the manager for 20 years years now and every year it's yankees fans rightfully so being like this guy is just managing off a spreadsheet and it's not no vibes they need they might need to bring back the no facial hair and joe tore all in the same joe tore's like barely alive but just

Speaker 1 put them on the bench and have them go off off vibes Yeah, I mean, Jazz Chisholm on the bases.

Speaker 6 That was tough to watch. Really bad.

Speaker 6 Bad example for all the youngsters out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really, really, really bad.

Speaker 1 We, yeah, the Yankees.

Speaker 1 I also, I know this is just going to make everyone, all the Sickos and Perverts happy, but the Brewers do just never lose. I said it on Wednesday, and they still haven't lost.
They don't lose.

Speaker 1 They never lose. It's crazy.
This team never loses.

Speaker 1 And the Mets almost got no hit, which was awesome.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I was going to say there's another team in New York who's also playing pretty bad right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Mets are 2-8 in their last 10, and the Yankees are 4-6, so a little bit better. But memes, what's going on?

Speaker 8 They can't hit.

Speaker 10 They got to fire their hitting coach, Eric Jones.

Speaker 1 You guys have an awesome lineup.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but every single person has just forgot how to hit.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that happens.

Speaker 4 It's like everybody but Pete right now.

Speaker 12 Pete's a stud, but it just, everybody else just, nobody could hit.

Speaker 1 That's happening to the Cubs, too. I mean, they hit a couple on Wednesday, but they're just all striking out.

Speaker 12 And then they're playing the Brewers this weekend, and then they never lose.

Speaker 1 They never lose.

Speaker 6 Can you explain this to me with PCA and the Cubs?

Speaker 6 Some Cubs fans are not happy that the crowd continues to chant MVP at PCA because they think that it makes them chase a lot of pitches.

Speaker 1 No, not MVP PCA. They chant PCA.
So they haven't been chanting MVP.

Speaker 1 At least I was at the game on Monday night, and there was no, he, which is another thing because Council gave him a day off and then pinched hit him in the fifth and then kept him in for the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 It's like,

Speaker 1 the guy's lost, give him a day off.

Speaker 1 There was no MVP. It was PCA chance, But he has struck out, it feels like a billion times in the last week, and he's been chasing and lunging.

Speaker 1 And he had a visible, like, one of the loudest fucks after popping out in maybe the sixth or seventh inning on Wednesday. We did have an Immaculate inning, though.
That was cool.

Speaker 1 Do you guys see it?

Speaker 6 That was cool. Yeah, it was cool.
It was cool.

Speaker 1 It was very cool. I was thinking bad about the Immaculate Inning.

Speaker 6 I did hear that Cubs fans, maybe they've changed. Maybe they decided, okay, absolutely no more MVP chance because you're making him chase these pitches.

Speaker 1 The PCA chants keep happening. The MVP, I did not hear it all on Monday, and I don't think I heard it the last two days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been bad. It's been bad.

Speaker 1 This is a part of baseball season that every, I mean, if you have a team that's in it or like around in it, it's just torture because every, it's 162 games, but you just, every game feels so like life or death.

Speaker 1 And every game, like, if you lose two in a row, you're like, this team's never going to win again. And you have to do big picture, but it's impossible to do big picture at this point of the season.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You just want September to get here.

Speaker 1 Right. And you want to just win series.
Max, how's that? How are you feeling?

Speaker 10 I feel pretty good. I mean, the Phillies keep winning series, but then not sweeping.
So if that's my biggest worry right now at

Speaker 10 this point of the year, that's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah, the Phillies,

Speaker 1 it feels like they're staying consistent while the Mets are falling.

Speaker 1 We also should shout out the Blue Jays. They also never lose.

Speaker 1 They never lose. They're very good as well.
I'm excited for playoff baseball. I think it's going to be awesome.
Me too.

Speaker 6 Should we talk any Slater?

Speaker 1 What do we got?

Speaker 6 Rashawn Slater?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Tours Patel attendant.

Speaker 1 That sucked.

Speaker 6 You also just want to fast forward to the,

Speaker 6 we all want football to be here officially official.

Speaker 1 but that sucks for the chargers because he's a beast it injuries in the preseason are just especially cruel because we've talked about this before you don't you don't get to see it and i know that sounds fucked up but like just follow along my thought process you don't get to see it you just get a shefter tweet that says your key player is being carted off and then you have the hour or two

Speaker 1 where you hope for the best but know deep down it could be really bad you're hoping like hey maybe it's just a sprained boo-boo on his on his on his big toe and and all the all the hateful things i said to my co-workers seems ridiculous in hindsight because it was not a big deal but you know deep down it probably is going to be a season ender and uh that happened to the chargers which is massive i think also did cj gardner johnson uh tear his acl as well no it is not torn oh it's not Yeah, he hurt his knee, but it's not ACL.

Speaker 1 Okay, so is he out for the year?

Speaker 6 I don't think so.

Speaker 10 They don't know yet. They said that it's injured, but they don't know the extent of the injury yet.

Speaker 1 Got it. Got it.

Speaker 6 But they said that it's not ACL.

Speaker 11 Got it. Yeah, not ACL.

Speaker 1 That's the worst, though, to be just sitting there because, again, it's fucked up to say, but like not being able to see it and process it live, when it happens live during a game, you can process it and be like, oh, maybe it's not that bad.

Speaker 1 You know right away, like this is either really, really bad or it might be okay. When you just get the tweet, your mind goes to the worst possible place and then you just spend.

Speaker 1 Did you see there was also like uh,

Speaker 1 there was a rumor just going around that Garrett Nussmeyer tore his ACL, which I don't think was true, but like, this is what happens this time of year because we don't have eyes on all of this, and then anyone can just say anything, and then you just expect the worst.

Speaker 6 I just know that patella tendon is, I think that's the uh, the most painful of the knee injuries. That might be like the most painful common sports injury is the patella, brutal.

Speaker 1 And then, and then you get, and then you get sports medicine doc, whatever his name is. Uh, what's his name? David Chow, David Chow.

Speaker 1 He gets the practice footage, and that's how I saw it. He was like, Chargers fans, not good.
All right.

Speaker 1 Well, that's brutal.

Speaker 6 They said Anthony Richardson just dislocated his pinky, so he should be fine.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Who needs a pinky?

Speaker 6 But I've never seen as many people just commenting on a preseason game in general, but like right after an injury, I saw like every NFL expert being like, here's why this is actually Anthony Richardson's fault that he got hurt.

Speaker 13 Like immediately.

Speaker 6 No like, no thoughts and prayers. No, as a Giants fan, it was just straight up, like, this was a dog shit play by Anthony Richardson.
He's got to be better.

Speaker 1 It wasn't the play that he got sacked, right?

Speaker 6 I think it was. Oh, it was.

Speaker 1 Where it was just a free rusher off the edge. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You didn't see him.

Speaker 6 He should have gone hot route, according to at least Jeff Schwartz and many other people.

Speaker 1 Okay. Got it.
Do we have, is Shane here? Hey, Shane. Can you hear me? Yeah.
How you feeling?

Speaker 1 Not good.

Speaker 4 Not good at all.

Speaker 1 All right. Not good.
All right. That was Shane, our Chargers fan.
I think that's it.

Speaker 1 Well, early on in the day, I was just like praying that. You went through the emotions.

Speaker 14 Well, I was like, oh, it's not an ACL injury. Like, he'll be fine.
He'll be back. And then to wishing it was an ACL injury.
Like, this is the worst thing that can happen.

Speaker 14 There's been like no player that's gone back to 100% off this.

Speaker 1 Ever?

Speaker 1 Ever.

Speaker 6 It's bad forget the stats i think it's like thank god he got paid there was one dude that tore both of them at the same time a couple years ago wait you're not happy he got paid

Speaker 1 i mean

Speaker 1 for what but i mean but like it's good that he got like this is the nfl is but the nfl is bullshit how they do contracts like this is a if he hadn't gotten this huge contract i'd feel awful awful for him and like at least he got paid i know that's hard for a chargers fantasy but from someone unbiased outside of it, like I'm happy the player got paid.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I'm happy for about 10 years.

Speaker 14 I would have preferred him to have gotten paid and played at the same time.

Speaker 1 Agree.

Speaker 1 We agree.

Speaker 6 But your brain went straight to

Speaker 6 take consideration.

Speaker 1 Take his money back.

Speaker 14 I don't know how it works against the cap if he's injured. Like, I don't know if we can get a good player next offseason.

Speaker 14 Like, he might not even, I don't know what the timeline is, but he might not even play the beginning of next year or next year at all.

Speaker 2 Wait,

Speaker 1 it's that long of an injury?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 14 I know it's like JC Jackson had the same injury, and we know what happened to him.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 Depending on if it's fully ruptured, yeah, it could be over a year.

Speaker 1 It could be, yes.

Speaker 14 So I don't know how that affects because he's, I forget what his contract was. It was a four-year extension, $130 million or something like that.
$100 million guaranteed. So I don't know.

Speaker 6 There should be a rule that if you get injured right after signing a contract, that some of it doesn't count towards the cap.

Speaker 1 I mean, I hope not, but wouldn't it be a good idea?

Speaker 11 Are you happy?

Speaker 1 Are you pretty sure he's getting money?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Personally,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure there was a rule they had to change it. I think it might have been after Len bias, but like, if you, if a player died, he still counted against the cap.

Speaker 1 And they might have changed it after, which that's heavy. That's some heavy ass shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you want

Speaker 1 do we think Omario Hampton? I know the boys were pumping me up because it's brutal for the Omario Hampton bet.

Speaker 14 I mean, the good thing is like Joe Walt was like a natural left tackle.

Speaker 1 So that means

Speaker 1 it's good in that standpoint, but I mean. Rashawn Slater's awesome.

Speaker 14 Yeah, he was the highest paid tackle in NFL history.

Speaker 1 And you wish he didn't get it. For 11 days.

Speaker 1 It's counting.

Speaker 6 What's the rule that, like, if your entire team dies, you get to do some sort of like special redraft?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's the,

Speaker 1 there's, like, like the cat, you know, cat,

Speaker 1 I can't speak

Speaker 1 catastrophic, yeah, or something like that. There's some rule because remember, there was a guy on Reddit who was like, What if, what if our entire team dies and we can just redraft?

Speaker 1 Because they were like so bad. It's like a certain amount of players die, they can, you basically get an expansion team.

Speaker 1 I don't know what exactly it is, but

Speaker 1 so 11 days, so you got paid. How much was it guaranteed?

Speaker 14 I think it was $100 million guaranteed. Wow.

Speaker 1 Oh, they call it a disaster draft.

Speaker 9 Disaster. Okay.

Speaker 12 That's a lot easier of a word.

Speaker 1 It's been a long week.

Speaker 1 Tell us the rules.

Speaker 6 I'm trying to look it up right now.

Speaker 6 In the event that a team disaster did occur, each of the four major professional sports leagues has a contingency plan. Major League Baseball remained tight-lipped about its plan.

Speaker 6 They have a confidential disaster draft. So they're saying, we do have a plan, but we won't tell you what the plan is.

Speaker 6 Sounds like they don't have a plan.

Speaker 1 This is like the eighth overtime in a Stanley Cup final game.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but yeah, so MLB's secret. The NFL plan refers to a near disaster as a common accident in which a team loses fewer than 15 players.
A disaster occurs when more than 15 players are lost.

Speaker 6 What do they get to do?

Speaker 6 They would be required to play out the season, though they would have priority on every waiver claim.

Speaker 1 Okay, great.

Speaker 1 Sick.

Speaker 1 They get the waiver claims. All right, Shane, listen,

Speaker 1 spin zone.

Speaker 1 Better now than like in the playoff push.

Speaker 1 I guess.

Speaker 1 No, that's a fact.

Speaker 1 If you're going to have an injury, you'd rather have it before the trade deadline, before the season starts, enough time to get your team ready, like, you know, continuity on the line.

Speaker 1 You don't want injuries, but if you had to pick a time, it'd be this, then December.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. Prayers, okay.
Yeah,

Speaker 6 but if it happens late in the season, you automatically get the first pick in the NFL draft.

Speaker 14 We could just tank on the season,

Speaker 1 like if

Speaker 6 the disaster kicks in.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I was just talking about the injury. I was talking about the injury, okay? About the disaster, yeah.

Speaker 6 Get Arch

Speaker 1 and not for another two years.

Speaker 6 Oh, that's right, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 his grandpa grandpa has shown that this is the plan.

Speaker 1 Those Mannings.

Speaker 1 He's going to win.

Speaker 6 Do you think he would let Arch play for the Chargers?

Speaker 1 Yeah, for Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's L.A.
now.

Speaker 1 I think that would change things.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think that would change things.

Speaker 1 Okay. Anything else before we get to ourselves back in studio for the Mount Rushmore? I'm trying to think.
I'm just looking real quick. If If we missed any big stories.
Oh, the Heat Security Guard.

Speaker 1 That guy's a scumbag, but he made a lot of money. Did you guys see that?

Speaker 6 No, what'd that guy do?

Speaker 1 There's a Heat Security Guard who was just stealing jerseys for like five years, and he sold the jerseys for like $2 million

Speaker 1 plus.

Speaker 1 Among the items, a game worn LeBron James NBA Finals jersey was reportedly sold by Perez for around $100,000 and later auctioned for $3.7 million. So

Speaker 1 he was just stealing all their jerseys jerseys and then reselling them.

Speaker 1 I don't mind the hustle. Kind of a perfect crime until you get caught.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Former Miami Heat security guard appeared in federal court, accused of stealing hundreds of pieces of team memorabilia.

Speaker 1 He's accused of using his special access to the equipment room to steal nearly 400 game-worn jerseys, 100 of which he sold for about $2 million.

Speaker 1 Whew.

Speaker 6 Sounds like it was a victimless crime.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, how did they find him? Did it was someone was LeBron like, hey, where that's, I've been looking for that jersey?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't know. But I mean, if he was able to get away with it for years, then nobody was really that wigged out about it.
So let the man sell.

Speaker 1 Let the man grind.

Speaker 6 Got to have a side hustle.

Speaker 1 I just imagine that guy was probably

Speaker 1 just wearing like an NBA Finals Ray Allen jersey just walking around his house. Yeah.
Because you can't, like, he probably couldn't. He had to sell it on the black market.

Speaker 1 Then it went on to, you know, real, real auctions. So he didn't give a fuck.
He was just wearing, he was just dressing in heat gear every single day. Game worn.

Speaker 1 Yep. That kind of rocks.

Speaker 1 I don't mind it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Imagine if he was just using like Mario Chalmers jerseys for like, you know,

Speaker 1 bath, bath rags and stuff.

Speaker 1 Everything in his house. Everything in his drapes.

Speaker 6 Yeah. He's got Udonis Haslam doormat.

Speaker 1 Every single thing in his house is just a heat jersey.

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Speaker 1 Okay, kicking it back to ourselves in studio for our Mount Rushmore. Okay, Mount Rushmore time.
We are doing the Mount Rushmore

Speaker 1 dream blunt rotation. Dead or alive.

Speaker 6 Could be anybody.

Speaker 1 Could be anyone. Anyone.

Speaker 1 Anyone. Yep.
Could be anyone. Agreed.
Now, memes out.

Speaker 1 Is Shane working with you, Max?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 10 Memes is still here in spirit. We've been texting.
Okay. He's just not here for the.

Speaker 1 Will you ask him if you want Shane to help?

Speaker 9 Yeah, Shane, would you like to help?

Speaker 1 Dream Blunt rotation?

Speaker 10 You're not ready for that? Shane is just shaking his head.

Speaker 6 Shane, we're going to need the undrafted free agents. You need to assemble a team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are going to need a team at the end, Shane. Yeah, I would like to see Memes' reaction to you telling him Shane's doing the picks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Max, I have a question for you. Did Memes hit you up and say Queen Latifah?

Speaker 10 No, he did not. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 10 There is a memes pick on here that I'm excited to talk about in the honorable mentions.

Speaker 11 Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 So it's already been played. In the honorable mentions.
Oh, yeah. I have a Zach pick as well that's exciting.

Speaker 10 Memes is like insisting that I actually use this, use this.

Speaker 1 I think you got to. H-Man?

Speaker 10 No. That will be a team member.

Speaker 10 There is an H in there.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Harriet Tubman. Okay.

Speaker 1 Kind of close.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's rip it.
So it's Zach and I first, and then

Speaker 1 Max and Memes, and then PFT and Hank.

Speaker 6 Hank's got the ball.

Speaker 1 Hank's got the ball for this one?

Speaker 7 Full weed?

Speaker 6 No, we collaborated, but I mean, this is Hank's turn. Yeah,

Speaker 10 this is a Hank draft.

Speaker 1 What do you mean by that?

Speaker 10 This is a Hank draft.

Speaker 1 Because PFT is not a drug guy, or because Hank's a drug guy? Not a drug guy.

Speaker 1 Neither one of the drugs.

Speaker 13 There's a difference between drug guy and weed guy.

Speaker 12 Hank and I have both quit drugs.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 At some point. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Ready?

Speaker 1 All right, so we have 1-1.

Speaker 1 We're going to go easy 1-1, not overthink this. Stay strong, don't break.
We're going to go Snoop Dogg, 1-1.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 He's going to keep it. I mean, he's going to provide the weed.
He's going to roll the blunt.

Speaker 6 Thought about Snoop Dogg, not on our list.

Speaker 1 I like Snoop Dogg, but someone else picked it earlier in the year, and I said he was a criminal, murderer. So I had to stay strong with that one.

Speaker 6 I think his weed would be too strong.

Speaker 10 That's what I was going to go with. Way too strong.

Speaker 10 In the classic blunt rotation, Snoop Dogg is a correct pick.

Speaker 10 I'm staying true to myself.

Speaker 10 He might be like my 1-1 of wouldn't want to be in a blunt rotation because I would get way too high.

Speaker 1 So, what's your pick?

Speaker 10 I'm going to go with vibes. A guy that, like, no matter what, if you're going to be smoking weed with this guy, you're going to be, it's going to be good vibes.

Speaker 10 And it's a guy who is the ultimate good vibes guy. We're going to go with Adam Sandler.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Good pick.

Speaker 6 Hey, we had him on the list.

Speaker 1 Had him on our list as well. Wow.
That changes things. That was going to be our 1-1, too.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I agree with what Max just said. I also think you want to have someone who's a good storyteller, celebrity,

Speaker 1 and good vibes, funny, personable. We're going to go Matthew McConaughey.

Speaker 10 Okay. Okay.
On our list.

Speaker 1 And similar, you know, all-time storyteller, all-time guest. May you rest in peace.

Speaker 1 All-time vibes. We're going to go Bill Walton.
Okay. Yep.

Speaker 6 Great guy to smoke with. I would imagine.
Okay.

Speaker 1 He might, you know, microphone, he might hold on to the button a little bit too long. Yeah.
I was just going to

Speaker 1 talk a little. But the story is like, you know, you get him going with a group.
Sure. The vibes would be all-time vibes.
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 And I think the moments where Bill Walton doesn't make a lot of sense, he makes more sense when you're high.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 We're sticking with our vibes team over here. We're going to go with Adam Sandler, dead or alive,

Speaker 10 paired up with good friend Chris Farley.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. All right.

Speaker 1 He did die from drugs. Not weed.
That's up. Yeah, but still.
Not weed. So is he?

Speaker 1 We're talking about weed.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What do we do here, Zach? Everything's out there.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of different routes we could take here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What route do you think gets out? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Neither do I, which is not good.

Speaker 1 We're going to be paralyzed here for a second.

Speaker 1 Talk it out. Talk it out.

Speaker 1 Talk it out.

Speaker 2 I don't hate six. I don't hate 11.

Speaker 2 I don't hate.

Speaker 1 You feel

Speaker 1 your voice is quivering a little bit there. It made me a little nervous.

Speaker 1 How many rappers are on Zach's list? He had a few. He had a few.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 we feel strong about some of our picks.

Speaker 1 Clearly. Yeah.
Yeah, we do. All right.
Zach, do you want me to just try to take the ball here?

Speaker 9 I think you take the ball here on the side.

Speaker 1 And just go for it. Rip it.
All right. Our next two picks are going to be Dave Chappelle and Hunter S.
Thompson. Okay.
Oh. All right.
What do you think about those two?

Speaker 6 Both good picks. We had Dave Chappelle on the list.
Yeah. Hunter S.
Hunter S. Thompson.
Ooh, boy, would that be fun. He'd just be fun to spend a weekend with.

Speaker 1 Just talk to forever. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
I feel good about that, Zach. Good picks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We have too many picks. We have too many people on.
This was too big. There's a lot.
Yeah. This is way too big.
There's a lot. There's

Speaker 1 scanning it being like, do we pick Toe Mader? Do we pick

Speaker 1 that was one of Zach's picks? I kind of liked it.

Speaker 1 He would rock.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Memes has one of those.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 No, yeah, but it's a good pick. It's a good pick.

Speaker 9 So pick him.

Speaker 10 No, I'm not going to be. Pick him.
Pick him, Max. No.

Speaker 10 I'm going to stay strong with

Speaker 1 my vibe here.

Speaker 10 I'm going to stay strong with my vibe here. One meme is one.
We're going to go with more of a weed guy, but still a good vibe guy. We're going to go with Seth Rogan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, politics.

Speaker 1 Also, so political.

Speaker 1 I don't know anything about that. Yeah, he's gotten very political.

Speaker 6 He's just like a pro-weed smoker.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. I mean, you can't also say,

Speaker 1 how's that not the same as Snoop Dogg? Same thing.

Speaker 1 No, but his weed's going to be

Speaker 1 just as strong, if not stronger.

Speaker 10 Is it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, same dog like the fan. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 We're getting high with Seth Rogan.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you don't want to be an amateur included in a pro-blunt rotation. It's going to get messy for you.
Yeah, no, that's fair.

Speaker 10 That's fair criticism.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 All right. Last two.
I'm scared where Hank's going to go.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hank.

Speaker 6 He's some ones out there that I was just like.

Speaker 1 Be yourself, Hank. Let's not pander.
Just be yourself. All right.

Speaker 1 50. Give it to him.
Hank, hit the Jesus button. Balling your court.
All right.

Speaker 1 I trust my guy. I wanted to hit the Jesus button really bad.
Hit it.

Speaker 1 This is the 2026 or 2025 meatballs.

Speaker 9 I know.

Speaker 1 I'm happy that we have a teammate because I would have taken Jesus six more times this year.

Speaker 1 We have yeah we got a lot of yappers. We got the good vibes.

Speaker 1 We want someone great laugh, good hang, but not too much of a, you know, he's not like a Seth Rogan weed guy where he's going to have the strongest weed in the world. We're going to go Gronk.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I like that. Okay.
Good pick, Hank. Yeah, he'd just be fun.

Speaker 6 He would just be a fun time.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And then this is this is my pick. I feel strongly about this one.
Do it. All-time vibes.

Speaker 1 One of my best friends, PFT commenter. Oh, that is such a pick.

Speaker 6 Thank you, Hank. Hanker.
I don't know how that was going to play.

Speaker 6 I don't know how that was going to play.

Speaker 1 Well, you can't do that. Hank, my dream bloomer.

Speaker 6 Hank wanted. I tried to talk him out of it.
Max. I'm not a weed guy.

Speaker 1 We've never done this.

Speaker 10 That's an interesting question.

Speaker 1 You've never been able to play.

Speaker 10 It's a PT picked himself.

Speaker 1 I picked himself up.

Speaker 10 But your team of PFT just picked himself. But that's

Speaker 1 Hanks. But this is

Speaker 1 people are voting on this.

Speaker 1 The fans on our show are voting on this. That's bullshit.

Speaker 6 It's honestly not a bad pick.

Speaker 10 Come on.

Speaker 1 I'm a fucking guy. That's a dream

Speaker 1 You guys wouldn't argue against this if one of us picked him up. No,

Speaker 1 I was worried that

Speaker 1 it wasn't going to get him. I think that's a crap.
I was very worried that Max or you were going to take him. No, Hank and I have had

Speaker 6 some good sessions before. Hank knows I'm a good time to smoke with.

Speaker 1 You're playing to our audience and being like the guy who everyone listens to. That's kind of.

Speaker 1 You don't think that's rigging it a little? I think it was, we waited because I was worried that someone else was going to take him. I'm happy he got to us.
That's.

Speaker 6 He was worried. It's never been done.

Speaker 9 He thought matches. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 It has been done. When? You guys did it.
When? You guys did it a couple years ago as a team. On what? Forget what?

Speaker 10 You need more. Yeah, what are you talking about? If you're going to make that claim, you got to come back.

Speaker 1 I will make a claim, then I'll listen to it. Oh, fuck.
Where's memes?

Speaker 1 Call him.

Speaker 6 Hey, he's not wrong. I'm fun to smoke with.

Speaker 6 It's one of my calling cards.

Speaker 1 I mean, but you see how there's a huge.

Speaker 6 you can see how I was uncomfortable with the pick.

Speaker 1 No, but not even that. Hey,

Speaker 1 wait, hold on, hold on. Before he says something, memes, do you.

Speaker 9 No, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 This doesn't matter. You should have a call.
No, no, no. I want to ask him a question.
A couple years ago,

Speaker 1 this is my phone call.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll call you back, memes.

Speaker 1 Do you have a second?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I have a second.

Speaker 1 Do you recall when PFT and Big Cow were teammates on Mount Rushmore, they picked themselves for something?

Speaker 1 They picked themselves for something? Yeah, like as one of the choices.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 I'm getting another call.

Speaker 1 Memes, what's up?

Speaker 1 Hey, we're doing the dream blunt rotation, and Hank picked PFT. Don't you think that's pretty crazy? Well, that's a load of questions.
You should let him answer the question before you.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 keep going. Why?

Speaker 1 I probably would have picked Hank. Oh!

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should should have. But you don't think for the voters, like this.

Speaker 9 Is that what

Speaker 1 the show they're listening to is, and PFT's on there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 1 that could be a sneaky good pick. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 It's also, that's the point is that, like, it's pandering to a level.

Speaker 1 It's not pandering. They're listening to this show because it's not pandering.
Okay.

Speaker 6 Hey, memes.

Speaker 6 Hey, it's PFT here.

Speaker 6 Was there an instance where me and Big Cat picked ourselves? That's a very important thing.

Speaker 1 What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 I can't remember.

Speaker 1 You got to come with better. I knew you were going to come with this.

Speaker 1 No, well, no.

Speaker 1 I didn't think you guys were going to object this hard. I've maxed out brands.

Speaker 1 You think it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 13 Stop saying that.

Speaker 1 You don't want to smoke with PFT? When you have the list of the whole world? Also, memes.

Speaker 6 I've smoked with PFT. Max took.
I would like the TFO.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's also neat.

Speaker 1 How is this an extreme block

Speaker 1 When you've already done this,

Speaker 1 you smoke with PFT and you could pick anyone from the world. And we had a great time.

Speaker 6 History of the world.

Speaker 9 It was one of the best sessions I've ever had.

Speaker 6 That's one of the best times ever.

Speaker 1 You've smoked with PFT multiple times.

Speaker 1 That's why we keep doing it. It's still letting the picks in, but it's the most blatant pandering of all time.
Because you could pick anyone from the world. I honestly kind of

Speaker 10 agree with memes, though. It's probably not a great pick.

Speaker 1 I don't know. The four, like, the rotation that we have would be a dream.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 Memes, do you have that?

Speaker 1 I don't think

Speaker 1 you canceled stuff.

Speaker 6 Things that have been canceled?

Speaker 1 That would be Barcelona talk, which wouldn't be us

Speaker 1 show. And that's also you.

Speaker 6 I love how Hank's eating nice case in the middle of the entire not rushed one.

Speaker 10 And honestly, plays for this draft, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true. Yeah.

Speaker 6 All right, hey, memes, hey, great talk.

Speaker 1 Bye. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. You can have anyone dead and alive, and you pick someone you've smoked with many times.
Again, like, I feel like you're disrespecting PFT a little bit. No, no, no.
Okay.

Speaker 6 I'm a chill guy. I can do it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Put a

Speaker 1 movie. And our other option was the Rizzler.
Down the bottom. And that was PFT.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 I wanted to do the Rizzler. I feel like The Rizzler would be a good one for the graphic.

Speaker 1 That's a great pick.

Speaker 6 Just blow it in his ear.

Speaker 1 Probably his first time he smoked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What was me? What was the Harry Tubman one? Wait, we're so hot, Hank. You're giving away.
I know that you finished your ice cream and you finished your draft, but it's done.

Speaker 1 You guys can take Big Cat.

Speaker 10 No, I'm an integrity guy here.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Max doesn't mind. I spoke with you.
No,

Speaker 1 if you had the whole world, I would hope you wouldn't pick me. The whole history of the universe and everyone, every dead or alive celebrity, I would hope you wouldn't pick me.

Speaker 1 I guess I just, I love you guys. I don't know.

Speaker 6 Pander. I love you too, Hank.

Speaker 1 Thank you. It's the most.

Speaker 6 What's going to happen is we're going to finish in last, and it's going to be absolutely devastating for me.

Speaker 1 Oh, because the fans are going to vote for you. The fans are going to vote for you.
Go ahead, Max.

Speaker 10 See,

Speaker 10 my last pick is really throwing me off here because

Speaker 10 I wasn't too. I was kind of just thinking of Seth Rogan as

Speaker 10 like a funny smoking comedian guy who's in a bunch of funny movies and is a funny guy. And my next pick is also a funny guy.

Speaker 11 Bob Schneider?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 10 But it might.

Speaker 10 I'm just going to stick with my pick. I'm going to go with Shane Gillis as my last pick.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy. We had him on our list.
It's a good pick. He's a drinker, but yeah.
But that's okay. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. That's a good pick.
No, it's a good pick.

Speaker 10 My problem is, are they going to be at odds if this is...

Speaker 10 I didn't know the political affiliation.

Speaker 6 Would you expect Shane to show up and to start performing for you?

Speaker 10 No. What?

Speaker 1 It just makes it a joke.

Speaker 6 He sits down. You're like, all right, Shane, you're on.
Here's your weed.

Speaker 10 What? No, I'm just, there's a lot of funny.

Speaker 10 having funny people in a room. It's not like he's there.
There's four comedians in that room. Yes.
It's not like you're asking one person to be a funny guy.

Speaker 6 Did you think about the cohesion of your group? So you have Shane. You've got...

Speaker 1 No, that's what.

Speaker 6 Who else do you have?

Speaker 10 Adam Sandler and Chris Farley.

Speaker 1 I think that's a good list.

Speaker 6 That's a good list, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, we're thinking cohesion as well because we wanted to have people that we know can all handle their weed. No one's going to be calling to go to the hospital because it got a little too high.

Speaker 1 Our last pick is going to be Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 6 That's a good pick.

Speaker 1 Very good pick. Very good pick.
Very good pick. Great hang.
I like that.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 7 So many honorable mentions. So many.

Speaker 10 Can I say the memes one? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I'll say the Zach one.

Speaker 10 Memes was insistent on Helen Keller.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 10 I don't know why. Why?

Speaker 1 I think we should call him and get.

Speaker 10 Why? Ever since you first brought up this Dream Blunt rotation, he... I think

Speaker 10 he wants to get to the bottom of whether she is actually what she says that she is.

Speaker 1 But she can't say what she is.

Speaker 10 I know.

Speaker 1 So Helen Keller's mom is what you're saying. No, no, no.

Speaker 10 You know how there's like the internet meme that she was just lying? She was.

Speaker 1 Well, her mom was lying.

Speaker 10 I guess. But he wants to.

Speaker 1 He thinks to get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 10 To get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 10 Let's give him another call.

Speaker 1 You call him. I'll call him.
All right, call him. Zach's pick that I loved that didn't make the...

Speaker 10 Well, he's not going to be able to hear you guys.

Speaker 1 That's fine. Just ask him.
Just talk him through it.

Speaker 1 Was

Speaker 1 yellow M ⁇ M.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 He said that he thinks yellow Eminem is always high.

Speaker 6 He does seem like the chillest one. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Chicken Joe was the cartoon that we were talking about from Surfs Up.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 I'd say Yellow Minim and Patrick from SpongeBob would be kind of the same vibe.

Speaker 6 Good vibes on that one.

Speaker 1 Zach, rip off your honorable mentions because you had some good ones.

Speaker 2 I do think Crush, the Turtle for Finding Nemo, would be a good hang.

Speaker 2 I also think that Yoda would be a good hang.

Speaker 6 Yoda is a great call.

Speaker 2 Brian Griffin is a dog for family guy. He might be a good hang.

Speaker 6 Smart ass.

Speaker 2 What are our thoughts on

Speaker 2 going Zuckerberg?

Speaker 1 Finding out

Speaker 6 weed isn't like mind control serum. So I think he would just like he would call the cops on himself.

Speaker 1 Maybe Tom from MySpace.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he'd be a better hang, I think. Tom from ISpace had it all figured out.
Yeah. Cashed out for like $750 million.
Never heard from him again. That is the dream.

Speaker 6 We had, obviously, I think the Rizzler would have been a great pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hank thought it was childhood.
I actually was shocked this pick wasn't taken. Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he just sometimes can get like too much. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know what the fuck is that.

Speaker 10 We thought about that with Rogan and thought that same thing.

Speaker 1 We also had Albert Einstein on there for that reason. Trump.
Okay. Trump.

Speaker 1 Remove politics from it. But yeah, in this theory, everyone's like, he could be called

Speaker 1 the police or the ambulance. Jesus.
Too high. Leo DiCaprio.
Yeah. We had David Attenborough.
Okay.

Speaker 6 Just calmly tell you animal facts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Keanu Reeves. Yep.
Nick Cage. Liz Khalifa.
Yep. Michael Jackson.

Speaker 6 Yep. Harambe.

Speaker 1 Xavier Legette

Speaker 1 would be a great one.

Speaker 1 Harambe would be good.

Speaker 1 I almost, if you made a switch, I might have gone Harambe. Just pander even more.
We had

Speaker 6 Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelensky together.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 Solve the crisis. Get it figured out.

Speaker 6 Say one thing you like about the other guy.

Speaker 1 We had Prince. Billy Strings.
Ozzy Osborne. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Steve Irwin.

Speaker 1 What do you guys think about Johnny Erwin? Ooh, Steve Irwin. We had Johnny Nervin in there.
Would he make you do some crazy shit?

Speaker 6 No, I think you just have Chris Franklin.

Speaker 1 He's probably chill, yeah. Miles Teller.
Yep. Chill as fuck.
Charles Barkley.

Speaker 10 We had Mac Miller, but he got a little sad at the end of his life, so I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that one would. I was thinking.
Well, I mean, you took Chris Farley. Yeah.
Yeah, but Chris Farley is, you know, basically the same exact thing.

Speaker 9 Willie Nelson?

Speaker 6 Yeah, Willie.

Speaker 1 That's a big miss. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Joe Budden could be a good hang.

Speaker 1 Yep. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 There's so much talking.

Speaker 1 He's a yeller. Joe Budden is a, is a Bill Walton kind of the same way.

Speaker 1 Like, they're, you know, they call it the microphone in the rotation where they just take the blunt and don't stop talking, don't give it up. Joe Budden, I feel like, would just.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Jameis.
I'm there to listen.

Speaker 1 Jameis, we good. Norm McDonald.

Speaker 10 Norm McDonald was on our list, too. I thought about just going with that entire crew of

Speaker 11 comedians of like that prime group.

Speaker 1 Who would your fourth have been?

Speaker 1 Spade?

Speaker 11 Maybe Chris.

Speaker 1 Probably Chris Rock. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would have been a strong one to say.

Speaker 1 I think you guys are going to win.

Speaker 4 Mellow.

Speaker 10 The Seth Rogan thing, I'm nervous about. He's very poor.
Yeah, that I didn't know about. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Because I wanted like...

Speaker 10 I feel like it's good to have one smoker, like one guy who is a smoker in the group to kind of.

Speaker 6 He rolls the blunt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Plato.

Speaker 4 Plato. Tim Linsicum?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 He's a big-time smoker. And I feel like he doesn't open up at all, and it would be awesome to hear some stories.

Speaker 6 John Daly. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 Shane, we need your honorable mention.

Speaker 10 Your free agent draft.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Zach had Shaggy from Scooby-Doo.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that'd be a good pick. Just Gooby from Scooby-Doo.

Speaker 1 Rihanna. Yep.
Rihanna Green.

Speaker 10 Oh, we had Miley Cyrus.

Speaker 13 That would have been a good one.

Speaker 1 We had Martha Stewart as well.

Speaker 1 Martha Stewart. Rihanna's a good pick.

Speaker 1 Would have

Speaker 6 John Madden.

Speaker 4 John Madden.

Speaker 6 I feel like he would call the cops. No, he would just giggle, make sound effects.

Speaker 2 That's why I thought about Batman.

Speaker 4 Maybe a cop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Batman might be a cop.

Speaker 6 Maybe arrest us right when we light up.

Speaker 10 What do you got, Shane?

Speaker 1 Make your four.

Speaker 15 I had Crush was my 1-1, but most of them got listed. Crush, Keanu, Ricky Williams.
Oh, good one.

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 10 Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 15 Kelso from Death 70 Show?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 Okay. Just the character.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 9 Smart. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't want to get

Speaker 1 it. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Alan Iverson.

Speaker 10 Yeah. That'd be fun.
It'd be fun.

Speaker 1 Nate Diaz.

Speaker 1 Nate Diaz would be fun. I feel like with Nate Gregor, you'd end up hitting each other.
Gregor would be if we did a dream Coke rotation.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be a good Zuckerberg spot.

Speaker 1 Just get all his best ideas.

Speaker 1 Take him away.

Speaker 1 Nick Cage

Speaker 1 would be sick. Sitting in his late.
Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson. Ooh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Vince Vaughn would be fun, I think.

Speaker 6 Did we say Bortles?

Speaker 6 We didn't.

Speaker 1 We all said Bortles. Gregorfin would be fun, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kevin James.

Speaker 2 I bet Kevin James a pig. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I'd say it because you told me it. Great pick.

Speaker 6 I actually think Jesus would have been a good pick here, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it could have played. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Jesus would be a chill guy to smoke with.

Speaker 1 We got podcasts, Jesus, basically. The Hank.
No.

Speaker 6 Respect, Hank.

Speaker 1 You know exactly what you do.

Speaker 6 I think it's. I understand where Hank's head is coming from.
I just don't know if it's going to play. It's not.

Speaker 1 It is. I don't think it is.
It might not play.

Speaker 10 No, I don't.

Speaker 1 I don't think we won this draft anywhere close. I think

Speaker 1 it's our fans.

Speaker 10 We'll see.

Speaker 1 All right. Good Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 6 Great Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 6 Mount Cushmore.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. He's the architect of two Super Bowl championships.

Speaker 1 It is our Grit Week interviews presented by Hey Dude. It is general manager, executive vice president.
Is that your official title? You can call me whatever you want. Okay, it is Howie Roseman.

Speaker 1 Howie, thank you for joining us. We start every interview grit week with the same question.
I'm actually going to change it a little.

Speaker 1 How do you define grit in players you're looking at and maybe how it shows up when you're scouting guys? Adversity.

Speaker 18 You know, you want to see how people are handling adversity um overcoming adversity and that could be in different areas of life you know that could be off the field that could be on the field but we know how hard it is to play in the nfl we know how hard it is to play in philly and so we we understand that there are going to be moments during the course of the season you know moments during training camp where uh guys are going to face adversity and what are they doing to respond to that so we are looking for guys who have had adverse situations overcome them and you can go through our roster you know.

Speaker 18 It's funny because

Speaker 18 I was thinking about what I was going to say at the Super Bowl parade, you know, and Bob Lang, our great PR guy, says to me, hey, you know, you got to speak for a couple minutes.

Speaker 18 And I'm like, what am I going to say? And like the night before at like 11.30, I figured it out.

Speaker 18 I'm like, every single one of our players, our coaches, our staff, I think myself, you know, have overcome. something in their life to get here.
You know, you just can go through the team.

Speaker 18 You know, Lane Johnson was a Juco quarterback, you know, best right tackle to ever play the game. Obviously, Jalen Hurts, A.J.
Brown, his team didn't want him.

Speaker 18 I mean, Devontae Smith, third receiver in the draft. I mean, I could go through every player on our team, you know, and then I got hit in the head with a beer can, and everything changed.

Speaker 18 But, but, you know, I think that that's really how I would define grit.

Speaker 6 I would say Jalen is a great example of that. Like, the fact, what he went through in college.

Speaker 6 and how he responded to that, he just seems like the right type of person that you would want in your building.

Speaker 6 Is that like when you were breaking him down before before the draft, was that a major factor in how you evaluated him?

Speaker 18 And he kept getting better, you know, and there was constant improvement. Like this guy was working on his craft.

Speaker 18 Every part of the process you saw from when he was a freshman, and people forget, like he was the SEC offensive freshman of the year, you know, like this wasn't like this guy hadn't had success, but everything that didn't work for him, he worked on to improve, you know, and he continued that even like when you saw him at the senior bowl to the combine.

Speaker 18 And it was the same for him when he was here, you know, from the time that he came in during training camp, because that was the COVID year, you know, he didn't, we didn't have an offseason with him.

Speaker 18 And then you saw him play towards the end of the year. He kept getting better and better.

Speaker 18 And so when you have guys who you got to be talented, you know, at the end of the day, like, it's hard to play in the NFL.

Speaker 18 Like, and so at the end of the day, all of these things are really important, but you got to have physical ability too. So he had those.

Speaker 18 And you looked at him and you saw kind of what was winning in the NFL and how successful he was even winning in college.

Speaker 18 And quite honestly, we didn't think he'd be there when when we picked in the second round. You know, it was kind of like, yeah, we like this guy.

Speaker 18 Probably not taking him in the first round, but

Speaker 18 yeah, this guy is still sitting there in the second round. That would be a gift.
So I think that's kind of how we felt about it.

Speaker 6 We were joking with Trevor Lawrence when we had him on the show a couple weeks ago that he didn't lose enough growing up to like be able to respond to adversity, which we were like, we're busting his balls about and we were taking that seriously.

Speaker 6 But is there anything that you would ever look at and a player be like, I don't know how he's going to respond because he's just been on great teams his entire career.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think that when you're looking, sometimes if you're looking at a charmed life, and not a lot of people have a charmed life, you know, especially as you get older, and these guys that we're getting, you know, they're still 21, 22, 23, something in their life has happened to them

Speaker 18 that they've had to respond to most of those guys.

Speaker 18 But I think you got to dig into that too, you know, and some guys, you know, are fortunate to have great upbringings and just, you know, the football gods have preyed upon them, freaking great physiques and great careers.

Speaker 18 And you don't want to penalize

Speaker 18 them for that either, you know? But it's very few and far between that you find guys like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you mentioned adversity. Your story is awesome.
And I always never know what to believe when I'm reading up on someone on the internet.

Speaker 1 So you were a football fanatic from a very young age, playing fantasy football.

Speaker 1 What was the first year you played fantasy football?

Speaker 1 This is before it became big.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it was before it became big.

Speaker 18 But I would say, like, you know,

Speaker 18 I remember I grew up, you know, my first experience of football was six years old, and the Jets and Dolphins played in the AFC championship game, and A.J.

Speaker 18 Dewey had two interceptions on Richard Todd, and I was like crushed, you know, and I don't think I missed a football Sunday from that time on.

Speaker 18 And, you know, when I was growing up, I wanted to play quarterback, you know, in the NFL. And I realized really quickly that wasn't going to happen.
But I loved everything about the game.

Speaker 18 I loved

Speaker 18 studying it, watching it. And this is the only thing I ever wanted to do in my life.

Speaker 18 And it was like, like, you know, to everyone who was around me, it was so far-fetched because I didn't have any connection or anything.

Speaker 18 And I think I was just fortunate that at least I knew from an early age what I wanted to do.

Speaker 18 So at least, you know, my psychopathic tendencies came out early, you know, so I could kind of, you know, stalk people at an early age and try to get into the NFL. But

Speaker 18 obviously, just fortunate to get an opportunity.

Speaker 1 So the story goes that I read that you

Speaker 1 sat next to John Elway's father on a plane. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he kind of gave you the time of day where he's like, you know, you're 10 years old, but he's actually listening to you and being like, this kid knows football.

Speaker 1 And that almost like it changed my life.

Speaker 18 It changed my life because, you know, I was going to visit my grandparents in Florida and sit in the back of a plane. And I was reading like a draft preview.
And

Speaker 18 I was wearing a Yankees hat. And he just kind of tipped my cap.
And he said, oh, my son played for the Yankees. And I'm like, who's your son?

Speaker 1 And he's like, I'm like, John Elway.

Speaker 18 And he just sat and talked to me. You know, at the end of the plane, he handed my mom a business card and said, you know,

Speaker 18 have him keep in touch with me. I've never met a kid that young who's this passionate, knew so much.
And, of course, she threw away the business card. But

Speaker 18 I finally had someone who believed in me, you know, and I held on to that for a long time. And the first time I met John Elway,

Speaker 18 I told him how important his dad was to me after one meeting. And

Speaker 18 everyone needs someone to believe in that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's incredible. Just a crazy circumstance.

Speaker 6 So, all right, so that happens when you're 10.

Speaker 1 And then I was reading more about how when you're trying to get in the the NFL, you're writing letters to every team, trying to get your foot in the door, which is hard to do.

Speaker 1 Was it every single team?

Speaker 18 It was every single team.

Speaker 1 And what was the letter?

Speaker 18 It was just like, I'll do anything. You know, I want to work in football.
I want to work in scouting.

Speaker 18 you know give me an opportunity you know i'm not asking for money and um i just would collect rejection letters you know which was great because it it was awesome because it really allowed me to

Speaker 18 to not care in my social life you know so if like I saw, I'm like, every freaking NFL team is rejecting me. How hard is it to go ask a girl out?

Speaker 18 You know, and I got my wife, you know, so it was a great lesson to me, you know, about um,

Speaker 18 people are

Speaker 18 paralyzed by the word no, you know, and you got to get to get past it in life, you know.

Speaker 18 A lot of people are going to say you can or no, and so it was a great lesson for me, um, but it took a long time.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I heard that you would also send thank you letters for the rejection letters, yeah, that's how I got really my first time that's crazy, that's a cuck move, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Like, thank you for

Speaker 1 your no.

Speaker 6 But then that stands out in your head, though.

Speaker 1 You're probably thinking, well, if they see the thank you, then they might say yes.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that's no doubt. You know, there was an ulterior motive.
I'm sitting there and I'm going, maybe they think I'm really nice. You know, what I didn't realize was they thought I was a psychopath.

Speaker 18 They really did. And, but that got me my first call from Mike Tannenbaum, who's the pro director with the Jets.
And he basically called me.

Speaker 18 I had this like, at the end of the time, there was caller ID, you know, and I saw like New York Jets football club. And when I grew up, I was a diehard Jets fan, you know.

Speaker 18 And so I see this and I'm like, you know, which one of my boys is pranking me? Like, this isn't funny. And I'm like, hello.
And it's like, hey, it's the New York Jets. And I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 18 That's funny, you know, because at this time, I was already rejected so much. And Mike got on the phone and he basically was like, you know, I got 15 minutes for you.

Speaker 18 You know, I'm calling you because I was looking through my resumes. At the time, that's how you did them.

Speaker 18 And after every one of my resumes is like a thank you letter for me basically saying we have nothing so like what's your deal you know what's your story so and then i interviewed with the jets with him and coach parcels my first interview for a personnel job and i didn't get the job and um i was talking here they were giving me this like keep us apprised of your of your plans you know which is basically probably their letter they gave to everyone and i made a connection with joe banner's assistant i said call the jets and um joe banner called mike and he goes is he really a psychopath like and he's like maybe you just interview him.

Speaker 18 I mean, I might be. And Joe interviewed me, found out I am, in fact, a psychopath, but for some reason hired me.
And that's how I was. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 And then, and then in your growth, you know, getting your foot in the door, you came on as kind of a salary cap guy.

Speaker 1 When did you like shed the salary? I'm not just a salary cap guy. Because I'm sure that was probably difficult to do.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it was a different time, you know, and so we were, we started at the vet and Coach Reed had just started, and it was a really small organization.

Speaker 18 And within a year, we made a change to GM and we brought in,

Speaker 18 you know, a huge mentor to me and may rest in peace, Tom Heckert. And Tom was a young guy.
We brought him in. I was a year in and I was the only holdover in the front office.

Speaker 18 And so for him, he didn't know any different. So like, he'd be like, what do you do? I'm like, I do pro scouting, college scouting, cap.
And he's like, all right, cool.

Speaker 1 You know.

Speaker 18 maybe a little bit of a fib, you know, but, and, and then he started bringing in

Speaker 18 people like Ryan Grigson and Matt Russell Russell and Jason Light and John Spytech and, you know, these GMs now around the league and just the staff. And we were all like in our 20s.

Speaker 18 And, you know, we go to training camp in Lehigh and we'd hang out and we drink because there was nothing else to do until our staff meeting and just talk ball.

Speaker 18 And these are still some of my best friends in the world, you know. And

Speaker 18 so, you know, I had this like, I guess it's how other people go through work, you know, and I guess, you know, you go to Google or Amazon and I was surrounded by these unbelievable people and Coach Reid and think about how many guys on that staff became head coaches you know and Jeffrey and Joe and it was just I you know we're all we're all products of who we're surrounded by and I was surrounded by such great people who gave me the insight and if I showed I could do something well like Coach Reed used to say listen if you know the cap and you got that going on I'll give you more you know and then if you start finding players I'll give you more and that's what he did you know I started doing pro scouting and then I found a little niche there and then he's like you got to go on the road, you know, I was like, I got to go on the road.

Speaker 18 I got it all in front of me, you know, I got to go on the road. He's like, I got to go on the road.
And for two years, I was out on the road and doing 30 schools. And

Speaker 18 it was so smart by him because it was like, you need to feel what your scouts are feeling.

Speaker 18 You know, you need to feel the frustrations of missing flights and, you know, going to schools that give you a lot of information that give you little information.

Speaker 18 And, you know, I'm very fortunate that I was around people who gave me the opportunities that they did to be well-rounded.

Speaker 18 And then, you know, I got this GM job so young, but I was still surrounded by these great people. I was Coach Reed and Jeffrey and Joe was our team president.

Speaker 18 And you think you know everything, and then you get your ass kicked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Understanding the cap is something that it's completely eluded us.

Speaker 6 I think we have a general understanding of. what a salary cap is, but like the finer points of it and how you, you know, you can kick the cam down the road, but then that can turn into cap hell.

Speaker 6 Like, how, how did you learn the ins and outs of the salary cap?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think really when I got here, there was no one better in the league than Joe Banner. Like he was unbelievable.
And he was signing guys before everyone else was doing it. He understood it.

Speaker 18 And it was really like the early stages of the cap. And so

Speaker 18 I got like a graduate degree in that and understanding it. And from my perspective, it's always about the players.
You know,

Speaker 18 we could do as many creative deals as we want. We could have as much cap room as we want, but we're not going to be any good if we don't have any good players, you know?

Speaker 18 And so we got to get as many good players as we possibly can.

Speaker 18 For me, it's not about

Speaker 18 winning some award for being under the cap or cap management. It's about having really good players and winning a lot of games.

Speaker 18 And so everything we're doing is in an effort to fit as many good players as we possibly can on every year's team as long as I'm here.

Speaker 6 How creative have you gotten with the cap?

Speaker 18 Well, you know what?

Speaker 18 At this point, I got really good people on a a day-to-day basis. And basically I'm saying like,

Speaker 18 let's figure out ways to get creative. You know,

Speaker 18 let's sit down and let's figure out ideas. Let's figure out ways.
Let's keep as many good players as we possibly can.

Speaker 18 And also understanding that with that, we're going to have to lose players over a period of time. Like if you look at us since 2022, we're in the Super Bowl in 2022.
Watch this.

Speaker 18 Zero, zero of the defensive starters are still on our roster. That's insane to me.

Speaker 18 And it's not like they're not playing in the league. You know, we have zero starters from that 2022 defense on our team, and we're three years later.

Speaker 18 So, you know, there has to be a process where you're still kind of moving on and going forward. And that's the hard part of this.

Speaker 18 The guys that have done so much for this team, guys that you draft, that you care about as people, and you have to basically say, hey, we got to move on. And it's like, why me? You know, like, why me?

Speaker 18 Well, you're keeping all those guys, you know? So I think that's the worst part of the job.

Speaker 1 Was there a rule, a cap rule, maybe like 10, 15 years ago that you were able to figure out before everyone else and then they maybe closed that loophole?

Speaker 1 Because I always love that when front officers are thinking so far ahead that they end up having to change it because

Speaker 1 you figured it out before everyone else.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I'd probably have to think about that a little bit. And again, I think the most important thing for us is like we have to bring talented players in.

Speaker 18 Like none of this matters if we don't draft well, you know, if we don't re-sign the the right players, you know, none of that matters. So like from my perspective, the cap is a huge tool.

Speaker 18 But again, it comes down to people, you know, and bringing in the right people into your building, the right players into your building.

Speaker 18 And when you get a chance to draft guys, sign them, and see those guys, you know, come in at 22, 23, single, you know, and then retire with one team. You know, they got kids.
They got a family.

Speaker 18 They're like, hey, I'm staying in Philly for the rest of my life. I mean, it gives me chills talking about it.
Like, that's that's special shit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you a Georgia merchant?

Speaker 18 Are you allowed to say?

Speaker 1 Yeah, shit. Fuck.
Yeah, you can say shit. Fucking say whatever.

Speaker 2 Are you a Georgia merchant?

Speaker 2 What does that mean?

Speaker 1 You just take players from Georgia. It's like, not that hard, Howie.
Well, you know, if that team's good, I'm just going to take all their players.

Speaker 18 I went to the University of Florida. Okay.

Speaker 1 So that's wow. Yeah.
Can't beat them, join them. I know.

Speaker 1 Fucked up.

Speaker 18 So, you know, I think from my perspective, it's like

Speaker 18 when you look at that Georgia defense that won the national championship, that was an unbelievably talented team, you know, and to say like we go into the drafts and say, hey, let's go pick three guys from Georgia.

Speaker 18 Who knows what everyone else is going to do?

Speaker 18 You know, it's worked out that way, but it's really helped our team because when you have young players on defense, chemistry is important, communication is important.

Speaker 18 And these guys have played a lot of high-level ball together. And so you have this young group of guys who have already that history together.

Speaker 18 So some of the learning curve, some of the learning curve is gone because of that. And it's kind of special to see.

Speaker 18 You know, it's kind of special to watch, you know, when Nacobe's playing linebacker and he knows what Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter is going to do and Nolan's going to do.

Speaker 18 And then he can look back and he sees Keeley. Like it,

Speaker 18 it's like they've, which I have, they played together for a long time. You get the same benefit that you get from a defense that has been together for three, four, five years.
So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And also just the concept of drafting good college football players is a smart.
That's a smart concept for you to bring into the NFL.

Speaker 6 It's like, yeah, these guys were national champions i think i think they're probably pretty good is he taking a shot at my no no he's taking a shot

Speaker 18 it's very funny for people to overthink it and be like wow he just takes georgia players but i mean they're pretty good at football yeah and and i think like as a young gym and and you know what you like i'm sure i mean you guys are great but uh experience does matter a little bit you know you don't think that when you don't have experience like that i don't need experience and then you get it and it goes back to this grit part like you got to make mistakes and i make a lot of fucking mistakes so for me if I don't learn from the things I'm doing and correct them, then I'm not that smart.

Speaker 18 So, you got to go back and look where have I made mistakes. And I can tell you where I've made mistakes, why I've made mistakes.
And if I do them again, well, then that's a problem.

Speaker 6 Yeah, do you think that other GMs are afraid to pick up your call sometimes?

Speaker 18 I would say, in all honesty, that my favorite trades are good, good, you know, and I really, I really don't, I hate that, you know, because I'm really looking to give fair value.

Speaker 18 You know,

Speaker 18 I hope not, you know, because everything that I'm doing, I'm, it's a small fraternity. I mean, there's not even 32 of us because some

Speaker 18 GMs are owners, you know, or other people or head coaches. So you look at it and it's like, you don't want anyone to get shit for a bad deal.
I've gotten shit for a bad deal. It doesn't feel good.

Speaker 18 So if you can find win-win situations, you know, if I have a need and you have a need and I can help fill it and it works, especially if you're in the AFC and we don't got to play you to the Super Bowl, that's a beautiful thing, you know, and I think that's the key.

Speaker 18 Let's try to find something that works.

Speaker 1 Are you addicted to accumulating draft picks? You have 13 coming up?

Speaker 18 13. 13.

Speaker 1 Do you kind of go to bed at night and be like, like, maybe like a little note under your pillow being like, I got 13 draft picks coming up? Because I would, that's fun to have.

Speaker 18 You know, that's a good number. It's a good number.
It's a good number. The chances that it stays that way before the draft next year are probably

Speaker 1 more, you're saying?

Speaker 1 or trading now, you know, like

Speaker 18 whatever it takes. It's like

Speaker 18 it gives you an option to improve the team this year, it gives you an option to improve the team next year, maybe even the year after. I think the way it worked,

Speaker 18 the only upside to losing good players is the form, the comp pick form, yeah, you know, so we're able to get that, but lost a lot of good players for that.

Speaker 18 But you know, what's really fun during training camp is when you get to watch college players now and you're like, I know the drafts in May, but this is a great time, especially a day like today where we have a walkthrough walkthrough and you can watch college guys and go, man,

Speaker 18 I get to see that guy. And maybe we got a chance at this guy, you know, because of the amount of picks that we have.

Speaker 6 Do you still ever get out on the road to see anybody in person?

Speaker 18 I haven't the last couple of years, but my oldest son is going to college in the fall, and it's going to give me an excuse to kind of go out.

Speaker 18 The last time I went out, I didn't go out all last year. The year before in 2023, I went out to a couple of schools, SEC,

Speaker 18 but I'll make make it to the ACC this year. You know,

Speaker 18 we got

Speaker 18 a Hall of Fame coach in the ACC. Now, my son's going to a school into the ACC, so I'll get a little ACC action.

Speaker 6 Can you still, like to this day, is it so much different seeing somebody in person than it is watching all the film that you can get your hands on?

Speaker 18 I think that

Speaker 18 at certain positions, you got to see live, you know, and you could see live at the senior bowl, you could see live at the combine.

Speaker 18 When you're talking about a quarterback, like you want to see that guy throw. You want to see how the ball comes off the hand.

Speaker 18 You want to feel the velocity, you want to feel the arm talent, you want to feel the presence, you know, of that guy.

Speaker 18 Um, I think that the information that we get, you can do so much work at your desk. You know, we used to go to camp in Lehigh, you know, and we didn't have all our systems set up.

Speaker 18 Um, but it's fun, there's nothing better than going to a college campus and walking around and getting the energy that you get from it and going to practice.

Speaker 18 But, you know, a great GM told me, told me a long time ago, he said, you know,

Speaker 18 he said it's hard. You know, you never see the captain of the ship go ashore, you know, and so he said, for his perspective, it was hard to get out during the course of the year.

Speaker 18 And that always stuck with me. You know, I heard that in 2015, Ernie Corsi, what a great GM.
And he said that.

Speaker 18 And for me, it was like every time that I would go out as a GM, and I used to go out more in my first phase of it, the phone would ring. And they go, hey, what about this? What about this?

Speaker 18 What about this? And so

Speaker 18 you spend half your time on the phone.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's your best draft pick?

Speaker 18 They're like fingers on your hand, man.

Speaker 18 Give me the top three.

Speaker 18 Well, I'll tell you from my perspective, like

Speaker 18 what was really cool is, you know, my first draft was 2010. That was BG.

Speaker 18 My second draft was 2011. That was Jason Kelsey.
My third draft was 2012, Fletch. My fourth draft was 2013, Lane.

Speaker 18 And then I got my ass kicked, right? I got my ass kicked. I was out for a year.
And

Speaker 18 those guys always stood by me. Yeah.
They always believed. They always trusted me.
They had always had my back.

Speaker 18 You know, it would have been very easy for them when times were down to just kind of not do that. So those four guys had been with me so long.
And so

Speaker 18 to not have those guys here, you know, losing some of those guys.

Speaker 18 Thank gosh, we still have Lane, but those four guys, we had just been through so much together, you know,

Speaker 18 literally life and death, births and families, and championships.

Speaker 18 And so those guys are special, but that doesn't mean they're more special to me than all the all-pro players we got on this team right now that I care about.

Speaker 18 It's just a cool, special story to have those four guys.

Speaker 18 You know, before really we had the success, we had made the playoffs together and done stuff, but to see those guys win a world championship in 17 together,

Speaker 1 Yeah. When you say you're out for a year, did they actually move you all the way across the building?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That kind of sucks.

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah, it was humbling for sure. And for me, it was probably the best thing that happened to me because

Speaker 18 I was so fortunate early in my career to keep moving and keep moving forward and be a young GM

Speaker 18 and to take a step back and to understand some of the things I did and some of the things I could do better.

Speaker 18 Certainly never thought I'd come back here and be the GM, but I got a chance to visit with so many great people, like unbelievable people, mostly in the sports world, but also in the business world.

Speaker 18 And I think it really shaped me

Speaker 18 to kind of help come back and,

Speaker 18 you know, be fortunate to have some of the success we've had here.

Speaker 6 What was your job title for that one year?

Speaker 1 Didn't matter.

Speaker 1 It didn't matter.

Speaker 14 They just picked one?

Speaker 18 It didn't matter. It was really like, you know, I felt like my most important thing was I had to support the people that counted on me, you know, and a lot of us have been together.

Speaker 18 you know, our security. I mean, everyone knows Big Dom, you know,

Speaker 18 our equipment guys, our video guys, our training staff, like we have been together so long. And so, like, for me, it was like, don't worry about me.

Speaker 18 If there's anything I could do to help you, just let me know. You know, what can I do to support you? And I just felt like

Speaker 18 I needed to do that the right way. Like, it was so important that I did it the right way and was positive and brought energy no matter how shitty I felt, you know?

Speaker 18 So it was a great learning experience. And I think, again, like,

Speaker 18 I don't know that I would trade it for anything, even though, you know, it did suck.

Speaker 1 And you won a Super Bowl two years later. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you, are you worried that, like, if you have a couple down years that Jeffrey is like, we're going to move Howie across the building just out of like good luck and then we'll win a Super Bowl two years later?

Speaker 18 Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 I would do that if I were the owner. Oh, would you? Yeah, I'd be like, wait, what worked last time? Something about that, too.

Speaker 18 I think I'm over that. I think I'm over that.

Speaker 1 I think I'm going to keep Philly and Walking.

Speaker 6 Did you think about leaving when that happened? I think most people would.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I don't know that, you know, I think the thing for me was

Speaker 18 Philly's hard. So I knew, you know, how it came down kind of hard.
It wasn't like I had job offers like being thrown at me during the time, you know, because of how much shit I was taking.

Speaker 18 So I just felt like I had to deal with it. I had to deal with it.
I had to deal with, again, like to me,

Speaker 18 I dealt with adversity before, but to me, that was a huge lesson for my kids, you know, the people around me. Like, I'm going to take this like a man.
I'm going to be a stand-up guy.

Speaker 18 I'm going to do whatever I can to help people who've helped me be in the position I am. And, you know, we'll see where we are in a year.

Speaker 18 You know, I didn't think that I would be in that role, you know, for a long time. But

Speaker 18 again,

Speaker 18 I think it was really good for me. And it really reminded me of me of my values in football, what I was looking for.

Speaker 18 And a lot of the things that I did as a GM for those first four years weren't really consistent with how I had visions of really doing it. So,

Speaker 18 except drafting BG, Kelsey, Lane, and Fletcher.

Speaker 6 Do you think that part of the shit that you take is because it's so fun to say fucking Howie?

Speaker 4 Is it fun?

Speaker 6 Yes, it is very fun.

Speaker 6 It is fun.

Speaker 1 It's a Seraphilly accent. Fucking Howie.

Speaker 18 Let's hear it. Let's hear it.

Speaker 1 Say it. Max, hear me.

Speaker 1 Come on, come on. Fucking Howie.
No, no, no. That was a different fucking Howie.
Well, you can do that. You did it in a positive way.

Speaker 1 That's fucking Howie. That's what he just did right there.

Speaker 1 That was the happy.

Speaker 6 That was the Howard.

Speaker 10 You told me to say fucking Howie.

Speaker 6 That's not

Speaker 1 the way you. Here, I'll do it.
Ready? Jalen Rager. Oh, fucking Howie.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 Do you ever, do you ever, like,

Speaker 1 just in, like, you know, daydreaming what Justin Jefferson would have been saying?

Speaker 18 I think that everything.

Speaker 18 All my mistakes, everything that we've done has led us to a certain point. And you know what's the hardest thing is like,

Speaker 18 I can tell you

Speaker 18 every pick of the picks in the sixth and seventh round for your agent sign is I fucked up. Like, my mind is so fucked up that that's what I think about all the time.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 I think about the mistakes and I'm like, man, what was I thinking? What was I doing?

Speaker 18 And at the end of the day, it goes back to your point. You know, sometimes you draft for need.
Sometimes you draft for a role, you know, and you're going, man, you know, we really need this role.

Speaker 18 We really need this position and this player. And that's all the times you mess up.
It's just too hard to find good players.

Speaker 18 And when you start saying, like, I got to find this role, I got to find this position. And so now what I say is like, a team's going to win the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 18 Hopefully it's us or our team last year. We weren't perfect.
You know, you could go before the Super Bowl. I'm sure you guys were saying, hey, I'm worried about this on the Eagles.

Speaker 18 You know, the Chiefs won two Super Bowls before. I'm sure you're looking at their team and going.
hey,

Speaker 18 this is their weakness. Every team's going to have a weakness.
And if you think you're going to come out of draft and get every need fixed, you probably had a shitty draft.

Speaker 18 And so it's like, you just got to take good players. It's so hard to find good players.
You accumulate good players, hopefully at important positions, and everything else works out.

Speaker 18 And so I think like when I think about my mistakes, it's like going into an offseason and saying, we need this, you know, well, you can't make something up. You can't invent something, you know?

Speaker 18 And so I think that that is probably my biggest lesson in the free agent draft process. Like

Speaker 18 if you go into it saying, I need something, and then you change your grades, you change kind of your criteria for the position, you're probably going to fuck it up.

Speaker 1 Is it intentional?

Speaker 1 Because I've noticed this with with your drafts, and I'm wondering if it's intentional, but you have at times been like, hey, we're stacking kind of the same position where it's now something that maybe was a weakness is a super strength because we have depth there as well.

Speaker 1 Is that an intentional thing? Like, hey, no doubt.

Speaker 1 We're not just going to be like, oh, we took a cornerback, so we can't take another cornerback.

Speaker 18 Yeah, especially if we're talking like the third day of the draft, you know, we'll double down on stuff, the understanding that it's hard to hit on third day picks, you know, so we'll double down on guys with unique skill sets who may need development, you know.

Speaker 18 And I think from our perspective,

Speaker 18 the biggest problem you get into is if you don't take shots on those, you know, I'll say to our staff, hey, we have a year or two before this becomes a big fucking problem.

Speaker 18 So we better take, if we don't get one early, we better take chance on guys who have traits, who have football character, who we think we can develop, because, you know, this is still a developmental league.

Speaker 18 And at the end of the day, when you look at it, there's no other profession. I love when I said I've never worked in any other industry,

Speaker 18 but there's no other profession profession where you go into and you expect the person in their first year to be elite. And we do have those expectations.

Speaker 18 We expect the rookies to perform like veteran players and perform elite. And if they're not, they're shitty, you know?

Speaker 18 And I think from our perspective, if guys have tools in their body, they have the mindset, they want to be developed with our coaching staff, with our performance people, with our developmental people, what can we get out of them?

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 you get a little cocky when you get a Jordan Mulada. You know, you get a little cocky.

Speaker 18 You start going, man, you know, we get traits and want to, and you know, maybe something like that happens, probably never happened again.

Speaker 6 Are you only a cycle like this about football, or are there other sports that you thought you might want to work in?

Speaker 18 Nothing else. Nothing else.
Always football. I mean, I liked playing other sports,

Speaker 18 but to me, the team building aspect, this sport, it was always that, you know, someone said that to me the year I was out: hey, would you want to get involved in baseball or basketball?

Speaker 18 I love football.

Speaker 18 Every aspect of it, I love. I love the competitiveness.

Speaker 18 I love the talent level of our players. I love the skill level of the coaches in this and the competitiveness, you know.

Speaker 18 And I really feel like it's the greatest game with the greatest people and feel very fortunate to be part of it.

Speaker 6 You're pretty good at it. I'm curious to know, like, if you're making a phone call,

Speaker 6 and let's say there's a player on another team that you're interested in inquiring about, do you call and do you say, do you have an offer for them ready?

Speaker 6 Or you do ask them, what would it take to get this guy?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I will first, you know, I don't like, I feel like a lot, I used to waste a lot of time. I'm watch a guy and then call.
So most of the time, I'll say,

Speaker 18 this is what I'm looking for. Would you be open? I haven't even watched the guy.
And then I'll call back and then I'll try to be direct on kind of compensation and where we're at on it.

Speaker 18 Because I like when people are direct with me. So if a guy's not going to be available, I don't want to waste the three hours to watch him, him, do work on him, do cohab on him, and do all that.

Speaker 18 I'd rather see when something's real and then work the shit out of it and try to bring it to a head.

Speaker 6 So if Adam Peters called you up and said, I'm interested in Big Dom.

Speaker 18 Probably the wrong is out. Big Dom does that?

Speaker 6 I'm interested in Big Dom. What would it take to get Big Dom?

Speaker 18 Well, it's funny because it's funny you said that because we did a coaching search and I take Big Dom with me. I take Big Dom with me wherever I can.

Speaker 18 Why wouldn't you? It's fucking fun. We like food.
I thought you were going to ask me if I was passionate about anything else like football and I was was going to say food.

Speaker 18 I think I have a tapeworm, undiagnosed tapeworm.

Speaker 18 And we took him with the head coaching interviews. I won't name the team, but after we hired Nick,

Speaker 18 other coaches got hired from that coaching cycle that we interviewed. And one of the GM, one of the coaches I saw at the combine, he's like, man, I love Dom, you know? And the GM comes up to me.

Speaker 18 He says, I'm going to take... I'm going to take Dom from you.
I'm like, oh, you are?

Speaker 1 You are.

Speaker 18 And he goes, yeah, I'm going to take Dom. And he's like, I'm going to offer me.
He gives me the number. And I go,

Speaker 18 my man, you are so far fucking off on Dom.

Speaker 1 I want you to go talk to Dom and offer that to him, knowing that Dom's going to go,

Speaker 18 what are you talking about?

Speaker 18 But, you know, certain people just,

Speaker 18 you know,

Speaker 18 make this job even more fun

Speaker 18 than it is. And being with him and being able to do this with him and relying on him, you know,

Speaker 1 yeah, because we obviously have fun with Big Dom.

Speaker 1 We know him and he's a great guy, so welcoming but like you've talked about it you you do rely on him for your draft analysis where it's like hey take a look at this guy Let us know what he's made of kind of thing so is he he's actively like helping you guys out where it's like hey I can figure out you know is this guy gonna be wired the right way for us?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I mean I'm I'm 22 years with Dom me and Dom.

Speaker 18 And we started, you know, I started on the side of the table of the vet and he started, you know, sleeping in hotel lobbies doing backup security, you know, so we started together and we have an unbelievable bond.

Speaker 18 And again, like

Speaker 18 marriages, births, deaths, like we've been through it all. And so I totally trust him with my life.
And so from my perspective, he's got a great feel for players. You know, he understands players.

Speaker 18 He understands our players. He understands what we need, what I'm looking for.
And so if I'm torn on a guy, I'm torn on the guy's fit, I'll send him down.

Speaker 18 I'll say, hey, go to this school and go hang with this guy, go to the combine, spend an hour or two with this guy, and

Speaker 18 I need you to sign off on him. Right.
You know, and

Speaker 18 I don't even tell him what he knows I'm interested because I won't waste his time.

Speaker 18 But from my perspective, because I know if that guy comes in and has an issue and I haven't gone through it, well, it's my fault. You know, it's very easy for me to do.

Speaker 18 And all he wants to do is help this team win.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, he seems like the best.

Speaker 6 What about yourself? Do you evaluate yourself?

Speaker 6 And I would imagine that if you did, you're probably evaluated on different metrics from ownership than you might evaluate yourself on a day-to-day basis, right?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think

Speaker 18 for me,

Speaker 18 I have incredible passion for this.

Speaker 18 I go to bed at night thinking about our team and our roster. I wake up in the morning, think about it.
You know, I go on vacation thinking about it. I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 18 I have incredible passion for it. And I think that it's probably hard to work for me because I have incredibly high standards.
And, you know,

Speaker 18 I know there's a lot of these, these books that talk about like, you know, don't micromanage, you know, like give people the leeway to do it. Well, you know,

Speaker 18 I tell Nick, you know, those are probably not people who have a Wikipedia page with their record on it. You know, like at the end of the day, we have a record, you know, we win or we lose.

Speaker 18 And there's a right way to do things in the wrong way. And I feel like we have a process.
And when that process gets out of hand, I get upset.

Speaker 18 You know, I want it to be the right way because it is really hard to win in this league and we're competing against great teams. And so, you know, when it doesn't go that way,

Speaker 18 you know, I'm going to take it over. And I want to be involved in every single thing that we do.
I want to know everything that we're doing.

Speaker 18 There won't be a guy that we bring into this building that I don't watch, you know, because at the end of the day,

Speaker 18 I say to tell our scouts, if you like a guy,

Speaker 18 Tell me and I will watch him, but we're not going to draft him if I don't know about him, you know, because I don't want to stand stand up in front of God and everyone and talk about a player that I have no idea who he is.

Speaker 18 And I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but that's how I feel. So from my standard, it's my responsibility.
You know, I got to take accountability when things don't go right.

Speaker 18 And I'm not going to be perfect, but I'm going to try my best to be perfect. And so the mistakes kill me, you know, and I think about

Speaker 18 our process, you know, free agency, if I could have had another guy in one another direction. I think about what I'm thinking about in that, why I made that decision.

Speaker 18 If I'm picking between two guys in the draft, I let the other guy go. I will follow that guy freaking religiously and beat the shit out of myself on it.

Speaker 18 And I just, I want us to be great. You know, I really do.

Speaker 6 So how many, does every scout get a stand on the table? Like, this is my guy?

Speaker 18 You know, we do. We do.
We have a red star meeting where guys get to put a red star on one guy in the draft

Speaker 18 and basically talk about why they're their favorite player. And that's character, play temperament, skill set.

Speaker 18 And it's really fun. It's a fun meeting to do.
And we ended up taking a lot of those guys

Speaker 18 because those guys, those guys are easy to like. You know, our guys know what we're looking for.

Speaker 18 And so they're guys that are fun. And when we go through our drafts, you'll see our content team will always come up and they'll show a red star meeting and it'll be like, oh, we got that guy.

Speaker 18 We got that guy. Yeah, because those are the guys we're passionate about.

Speaker 1 Does it have to be within the range of your pick? Because I would just cheat if I was a scout. And I like this year, I would have been like Abdul Carter.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's my red star.

Speaker 18 Yeah. I love that you got to bring a giant into Philadelphia country.

Speaker 1 But do they have to be in the range?

Speaker 18 They don't. They don't.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I can't. They really don't.
They could just take the number one consensus pick every year.

Speaker 18 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 18 it wouldn't, it wouldn't show a lot of growth as a scout. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 I'm fine with plateauing. If I can work for an NFL team, Archman.
No problem. Red Star.
Red Star. Red Star guy.
I'm fine with that.

Speaker 18 I know. But everyone's in the room.

Speaker 4 Our coordinators are in the room.

Speaker 18 Our owner's in the room. You know, all of us are in the the room.

Speaker 1 Yeah, think about how sick it would be if they're like, oh, damn, Abdul Carter was pretty good. He told everybody smart.

Speaker 18 I mean, how do you think I react in that moment right there?

Speaker 1 I'm gone.

Speaker 18 I give that glare up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you know that

Speaker 1 this show is actually listened to by a lot of scouts, which always shocks us whenever we go on the road?

Speaker 1 And they always are like, yeah, we just want to turn our brains off and listen to basically two guys be wrong about football.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I take that as a compliment.

Speaker 18 I'm like, you know what? We're on par with this.

Speaker 15 Perfect. I can join in.
It's perfect.

Speaker 1 But they just, they're like, we're like,

Speaker 1 you listen to us. You know so much about football.
We know nothing. And they're like, yeah, that's the fun of it because we just kind of laugh at it.
I'm glad

Speaker 18 I can add to that.

Speaker 18 You know what's funny? When you were swigging that, I thought you were swinging Mescal in the middle. Oh, that'd be wild.

Speaker 1 I was just getting clear.

Speaker 6 You brought a nice gift of Mescal for everybody.

Speaker 4 You're going to get a strong.

Speaker 1 I'm excited for that. Appreciate it.
Thank you.

Speaker 18 Fascaro Mescal.

Speaker 6 Has anybody ever pitched you some like crazy pseudoscience? Like, I think I've got, I cracked the code to figure out whether guys are going to be winners or not.

Speaker 18 Oh, my gosh, I delete those emails.

Speaker 1 Oh, we have quite a few. We have one.
You want one? What do we got?

Speaker 6 I was going to say, yeah, if you have long hair, you can't win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 As a quarterback. As a quarterback.
Never been done. Never been done.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Yeah.
Think about that. Something to think about, Howie.
Something to think about. So that's you have a quarterback now, but you know, in 10 years, 15 years, holding thoughts.

Speaker 6 Jalen plays for a long time.

Speaker 1 You're still here. Long hair, quarterback.
Is it at any point in their life? No, it's why they haven't because Tom Brady has had long hair.

Speaker 18 So if we get a quarterback with long hair 15 years from now, Jalen's career is done, and he comes in, I can tell him to cut his hair and then we're good.

Speaker 1 It's over. Tie and tight.
These are the things we thought.

Speaker 18 Send me that email right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Remember this.

Speaker 6 Why don't I just give you the key to the kingdom? I should have kept that one to myself. Oh, you showed up.

Speaker 6 I just like the draft advice that Bill Belichick said, which is, I like drafting guys with big asses.

Speaker 6 Look at their asses. Do you spend time looking at guys' asses and be like, that's an NFL ass?

Speaker 18 ass i i i really feel like that's a loaded question right there you know um so i'm gonna stay away from that one you know body types he's got a motor he's got a motor yeah but you need a big ass uh

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Speaker 18 What point is this? Have you been an auctioneer in in your past life?

Speaker 1 It was freaking good.

Speaker 1 It's basically our play call. Yeah.
So I have it down. It's the only one I can get.

Speaker 1 At what point of the season do you have to

Speaker 1 let go?

Speaker 1 Is that a weird question? Because I know, obviously, there's always fringe moves you can make, but is there a moment in the season that you're like, I kind of cooked it.

Speaker 1 Let's just see how it goes out. How it goes.

Speaker 18 I always joke, you know, I'll say to Nick,

Speaker 18 roster cut day, once we do practice squads, like, oh, let's go. Like, I'll like throw him a key.
as I'm like leaving that night I'll throw him a keys and I'm like here are the keys you drive yeah and

Speaker 18 but that's not really true because we still got the trade deadline I feel like it's really a trade deadline yeah after the trade deadline it's like this is what we got is that a nerve-wracking thing or kind of a freeing thing um

Speaker 18 it's a nerve-wracking thing because at the end of the day, shit happens in the NFL and you lose guys. And at that point, you're all in, you know, and you can't really do anything about it.
And

Speaker 18 if something happens, you're going to to have to find different ways to do it.

Speaker 18 And I think from my perspective, being in this so long, you've had times where you get to November and December and you lose somebody and you're like, damn, I wish the trade deadline was still going.

Speaker 18 But, you know, that's why we got depth. That's why we bring in a lot of good players and that's why we have a team.

Speaker 18 And so I think that's really the moment where it's just like, all right, you know, I'm on to 2026. And

Speaker 18 this is what we got. You know, it's interesting because last year we didn't make any trades with the trade deadline, which is like unusual.
You know, I'm sure you were saying that.

Speaker 11 Fucking how.

Speaker 1 Fucking how.

Speaker 1 That was probably the last one.

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 18 we don't really do that often at the trade deadline.

Speaker 1 They should make it later.

Speaker 18 Because teams would get more. They're trying to.

Speaker 1 Teams would get more desperate and there'd be more activity.

Speaker 18 But they want to keep, I understand. They want to also keep interest alive, more teams in the playoffs.

Speaker 18 You don't want to do it. It's just like what you talk about.

Speaker 18 Nobody's making a trade that they don't think is in the best interest of their team. Like nobody has some Jedi Montrix shit going on that it's like, you will do this move with me.

Speaker 18 And then it's like, it happens.

Speaker 1 I thought you just did it to me. Yeah, if there's anyone, it's you.
But yeah, go ahead. Way to get soft to say.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you can take Jane Daniels.

Speaker 18 But I think that

Speaker 18 that is a constant conversation. We moved it a little bit later this year, and we continue to have discussions like that because it is fun, you know.

Speaker 18 I mean, I even, you asked about other sports, like, I will watch the baseball trade deadline. Curious because I have a lot of friends who are GMs in in baseball.
Like, what are they doing?

Speaker 18 How are they adding to their team? And I love, I don't know all those players as well, but I love seeing how teams are doing that, how aggressive they get in an effort to win a championship. Because

Speaker 18 when that confetti falls, man,

Speaker 1 it's got to feel pretty good to be a smaller one.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that's what it sounded like. That's what we were seeing.

Speaker 7 You just got a good rip. That was you, Shane.

Speaker 8 Shane, did you just rip one in front of Howie?

Speaker 1 Fucking Shane. How could you do that?

Speaker 1 Fix Howie Shane.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, recurring guest. I think fourth time? Yeah.
Fourth time? It is Von Miller.

Speaker 1 This is Grit Week presented by Hey Dude, Von Miller on the Washington Commanders. I feel like we're just following you around because I think we interviewed you in Denver, in Buffalo, and now here.

Speaker 1 Great to talk to you. Actually, we might have interviewed you in LA too.
Yeah. See you.

Speaker 4 We're on a world tour, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're doing it. So we start every grit week interview the same.
What does the word grit mean to you?

Speaker 1 Grit.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm thinking of the work type of fashion. And, you know, that's coming in, working, early mornings, late nights, barely evening, just putting the work in.

Speaker 4 If I'm thinking of like the other grit, it's that grit that's in the bottom of your shoe and you walk around with no socks on. Well, I'll take the first one, though.

Speaker 1 I definitely take the first one.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the way you described it, it sounded like you were talking about chickens.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 you know, chicken farming is a gritty job, too.

Speaker 6 Let's talk about the birds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're gritty. They're gritty too.

Speaker 1 Wake up early. Yeah, wake up early.
Don't eat that much.

Speaker 4 Go to sleep late. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Produce Produce everything for you.

Speaker 4 You know, it's funny. It's funny because when somebody calls you a chicken, it's kind of like cowardly.

Speaker 4 But if you ever like watch like roosters in the coop, they're really some of the toughest animals in the animal kingdom, though. They're pretty cool.

Speaker 6 We got to take that word back.

Speaker 6 I feel the same way about the word pussy. Pussies are like the strongest things ever.

Speaker 1 Think about it. Delicious.

Speaker 6 So strong.

Speaker 6 We all come from one.

Speaker 6 It made us who we are today. Yeah, see?

Speaker 4 Yeah, we all in the same spot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 all right so how's how's the uh you know you signed with the commanders you're on the commanders you're new um really actually the only question i was really worried about asking you is have you farted around the guys no not yet okay but what are you yeah yeah are you holding it back on purpose i'm with i'm with the guys we all grown men if i have to do it like i'm gonna do it but you know only been on the team for it's uh It's been a week and a day.

Speaker 1 Okay, because your reputation does precede yourself.

Speaker 1 They'll see. They'll see.
But

Speaker 1 I haven't got there yet.

Speaker 4 I I haven't got there yet.

Speaker 6 Are you waiting for somebody else to fart? And then

Speaker 4 I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's my diet now or whatever it is.
I just haven't, it hasn't been crazy like it normally has been. I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 Are you nervous that like the first one, like, you know, I'm gonna let it rip.

Speaker 4 Squeaker.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna let it rip. Oh, dude.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna let it rip, and I'm not gonna show a reaction at all, and I'm just gonna act like it's normal.

Speaker 1 That's Dan Quinn's favorite saying: let it rip. Yeah, I'm gonna let it rip.
I'm gonna let it rip.

Speaker 4 And I'm 36 years old with other grown men. I'm not gonna have a reaction at all.
Okay.

Speaker 6 So, so when you signed with with the commanders, I was telling these guys like 30 minutes later, I got a DM from you saying, When are we gonna do the podcast?

Speaker 6 Yeah, you were you were excited to come apart. Is there any take that you're like looking to get off your chest?

Speaker 4 Uh, no, I just, you know, I really enjoy the show, man, and I just wanted to keep it going. And I know this is this is your team, and you know, I just wanted to be a part of it again.
I love it.

Speaker 6 We appreciate you, and welcome to DC. Uh, can you still get after the passer?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I can still do that. That's one of the easiest things.
That's what I do best in life. You know, I might not

Speaker 4 be as fast fast or as quick as I was like when I was 21 years old, but

Speaker 4 that's one of my gifts. That's what I do better than anything else.

Speaker 4 You know, I rush the pastor. You know, I'm a comedian.

Speaker 4 Y'all supposed to laugh. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I laughed. I was waiting for a fart.
I was going to say, that's really funny.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I mean, rushing a passer is just one of my gifts, man. And like I said before, it might not be like it was when I was 21, but I'm still pretty effective.

Speaker 1 Have you thought about how many years you have left? Is it like in your mind?

Speaker 1 Or are you just trying to be like, hey, I'm taking it year to year?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm just taking it year by year, man.

Speaker 4 You know, whatever God gives me, I'm going to take it. You know, I had said before, you know, you don't want to get kicked out the league, but you don't want to leave too early.

Speaker 4 And I'm still in that sweet spot, man.

Speaker 4 I still get butterflies in my stomach when I'm going to work. And, you know, I still enjoy going to practice.
I enjoy being around the guys.

Speaker 4 I still enjoy playing football in the National Football League. So as long as God gives me an opportunity to do it, I'll do it.

Speaker 4 You obviously enjoyed your time in buffalo did you like did you like the cold weather yeah it grew on me it definitely grew on me um you know i actually started to to love the cold weather um the whole buffalo bills fan base and the whole buffalo bills organization they they're just the shade of the quarterback and the head coach.

Speaker 4 And they have a really great head coach with Coach McDermott and Josh Allen is fucking Josh Allen. So that whole city, that whole organization, that whole fan base is just the shade of those two guys.

Speaker 4 Buffalo is a hard place to get to, but it's even harder to leave, man. And I'm going to miss those guys, man.
I'm going to miss Brandon Bean. You know, I'm going to miss those guys.

Speaker 4 Nate Breske, Joe Mika, you know, Ed Oliver,

Speaker 4 you know, Greg Russo, all of my guys that I kicked it with, Josh Allen, man, I'm going to miss those guys for sure.

Speaker 1 Did you end up having a favorite wings place?

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 4 I didn't. You know, I'm,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm a chicken guy. Yeah.
So all the wings were great. All the wings were great.
But, you know, I spent most of my time at home, too. You know, I got kids and stuff.

Speaker 4 So my chef was really good. My chef Nick, shout out Chef Nick.
Shout out to Chef Nick. Yeah, he did a great job, man.
And

Speaker 4 he made sure we had everything at home. So I spent a lot of time at home.
Yeah, Buffalo.

Speaker 6 You look like you're in pretty good shape. Yep.

Speaker 1 Best shape of your life? I wouldn't say the best shape.

Speaker 1 That's a good honest answer.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't say the best shape, but I'm in pretty good shape. And honestly, out of my 15 years playing in the National Football League, this is probably the best I've felt

Speaker 4 two weeks

Speaker 4 into training camp. DQ does a great job.
There's no pride or no ego behind it.

Speaker 4 He's not trying to get the guys callous. He's not trying to make the guys hard.
He's just, he wants the guys to

Speaker 1 be healthy.

Speaker 4 He wants us to be sharp on our playbook, sharp on our assignments. He wants us to be tough guys for sure.
But he wants us to be healthy most importantly, man. And I really appreciate that.

Speaker 1 So the best shape of your life, we joke about it because training camp starts and every media outlet is like, oh, here, this guy's shocking everyone. Do you guys see that?

Speaker 1 Do you, do you like, you know, see the media talking about it and be like, all right, this is just training camp. Like, who the fuck cares?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, it's really not much to talk about. Right.

Speaker 1 At this point, everyone, except that, yeah.

Speaker 4 Except that it happens every single year. It's really not much to talk about, you know, but you know, the

Speaker 4 headlines will come soon enough. And we just got to get out this phase of, you know, the first two weeks of training camp.

Speaker 4 Then we start playing preseason games and there'd be more to talk about for sure.

Speaker 6 Yeah. What's your mindset in terms of like young pass rushers? Do you fall into the camp of people who are like, Yeah, I'm going to mentor them, I'm going to work with them, show them what I know?

Speaker 6 Or are you like, that's not really my job to teach them? That's the coaching staff's job. My job is to make the roster and have a starting spot.

Speaker 4 My job is to

Speaker 4 make sure we have the best team that we possibly can have. If that's working with the young pass rushers, cool.
If that's talking to the third string safety, cool.

Speaker 4 If that's giving input on special teams, cool. If that's talking to coach about stuff that I did at other places, cool.
All I want to do is win. And I do whatever it takes to win.

Speaker 4 You know, when I was young, I used to hate when the old guys used to come up to me and be like, oh, we used to do it like that. I always do it like this.

Speaker 4 You know, back in my day, I never wanted to be that guy. So as I get older, I'll probably, I do more listening.
I do more listening than anything else.

Speaker 4 But if it's a place for me to interject some knowledge, if guys ask me a question, man, I'm an open book. I love, you know, paying information that I have for.
It's not nothing that's coming from me.

Speaker 4 It's things that I've learned from, you know, Demarcus we're aaron donald payton manning uh andrew whitworth all the information that i've that has been paid to me before i just pay it for so i'm not telling none of the guys none of the stuff that i was doing i'm telling the guys what i should be doing but i do more listening than i do talking all right along those lines has there any has there been anyone in all your travels who uh has asked you to teach them the ghost move and you and they've been able to actually do it yeah uh yeah aj epanessa okay um in buffalo you know we talked a lot we talked about a lot lot about pass rushing moves.

Speaker 4 And he's like 6'6, 6'5 ⁇ , 6'6. And he's real, real bendy.
And he was able to do it. But I told those guys, like, out of 129 sacks, like, I probably got a sack on a ghost move five times.

Speaker 4 But it looks so cool. Yeah, that's what gets highlighted, the spins and all that stuff.
But, you know, I tell them, like, that's just the curveball. That's just the knuckleball.

Speaker 4 That's not what I'm leading with. I like to get off the ball as fast as possible and just, I'm just able to react to whatever the offensive alignment is doing.
I'm not a big move guy.

Speaker 4 I honestly think pass rush moves are overrated.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 4 Yeah, out of my 129 sacks, 90, 95%, 90, 95 sacks have come off some type of speed to power element.

Speaker 4 So my stress is speed, so I win mostly on power. Power guys, you know, their stresses is power and they win on finesse moves.
So it's just the opposite. It's just playing a mind game.

Speaker 4 But honestly, I really do think, you know, pass rush moves are overrated.

Speaker 1 You're saying because you're a speed guy, you win a lot on power because they're set up for the speed and then you hit them with the power. Yes, sir.
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 that's i mean yeah i mean i guess that would make sense and it's just it's it's something that we love watching the highlight ones but when it comes down to it the stronger faster guys usually win yeah it's how fast you can get from point a to point b and not really a big move guy most of my sacks come from some type of speed to power element ghost move is awesome though it is cool because then the guy looks and he's blocking nothing and it gets a lot of views and everybody likes doing it but like you know honestly i don't i don't do that stuff a lot but it's just a knuckleball off of my off of my speed rush.

Speaker 6 And if the ghost move doesn't work, then that looks really bad on you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you 15 yards up the field and the guy's saying, what is he doing? And then quarterbacks scramble and go for a first down and everybody looking at you crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. When stuff don't work, that's on and off the football field.

Speaker 4 When you're trying something and you're trying to hit a home run and it don't work, you definitely look stupid out there.

Speaker 6 So in all your travels, have you run across a teammate that has been like, dude, you kiss your dad on the lips?

Speaker 4 No, man. That was like so, that was, bro, that was years ago.

Speaker 1 That was years ago. That That was a wild FaceTime.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 6 As a father, you can appreciate now.

Speaker 4 I still talk to my dad about that, though. I still talk to my dad about that, though.
And, you know, whenever like I'm watching, you know,

Speaker 4 sometimes it comes up with Tom Brady and stuff. But yeah, if my dad watching it, you know, I still try to kiss my dad on the lips, too.

Speaker 4 But his reaction, Tom, as he's gotten older, he's gotten a whole lot faster. Like, he'll be asleep.
And I try to like come kiss him on the lips, and he'd just be up quick.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 he'd just be up.

Speaker 4 I've been trying to do it ever since then, but he's like, you know,

Speaker 4 he's on top of it now. What about your kids move?

Speaker 1 You got to go power on him. Yeah, I just, I got to just hold his arms down.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He would be so pissed. He would be so pissed.
What about your kids?

Speaker 1 Are they going the other way where they're like, because you're trying to kiss them on the lips? No, I don't.

Speaker 4 So honestly, like, I don't do that with my kids, but my oldest son, Valor, he's a class clown. Like, he, He is just, he's the identical version of me.

Speaker 4 So I know whenever he gets older, I'm i'm gonna catch so much hell from valor and you know when he sees this interview 20 years from now he'll probably be holding me down and forcing me

Speaker 1 but no i don't i don't i don't really like ingrained in those guys early no i don't you holding your dad down getting kissed him

Speaker 1 gosh it's so funny uh

Speaker 4 you did ayahuasca with aaron rogers how was that it was it was amazing um i didn't know what to expect you know you know done magic mushrooms and all that shit before i i wasn't sure what to expect i had i was invited by Jordan Poirier and when I went, I didn't even know A-Rod was coming until like we got out there and he told me like Aaron Rodgers was coming.

Speaker 4 I had met A-Rod before and we got like a personal relationship before. We used to work out at Proactive in LA, played against him a whole bunch of times.
But I didn't really know what to expect, man.

Speaker 4 And that ceremony went in and just spending that week with A-Rod, man, it was definitely life-changing. Really? People ask me about ayahuasca and what it does.

Speaker 4 Really, it just boils down to it just creates awareness about everything in your life.

Speaker 4 And definitely um it was definitely eye-opening for me and i try to go back at least once a year for sure yeah what about that tent that's so hot so that's the tent mascara it's really like a sauna yeah it's got it's got like a spiritual element of it um you know whenever you whenever you do hard things and you're able to get through it's this sense of empowerment um it has so many different like meanings involved in it too you know the night before um i think it was our second ceremony like i was just sweating like crazy and you know you're supposed to be quiet in the ceremony and I was like bro I I couldn't be quiet I was like bro it is there's no fucking way it's so it's this hot in here and everybody started laughing and we talking about it like the next day and it was like you know we got Tim Mascal the next day and I was like man I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do it like I'm gonna get in here and like I'm not gonna be the first one to leave but when somebody leaves I'm gonna be the second one yeah yep but we just everybody just kept everybody accountable and nobody left so I had to like tough it out man and I'm glad I did because it definitely showed me so many things about myself there's all good vibes in there I imagine it's like you have to be, everyone's got to trust each other, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah. So many good vibes, man.
And I think, I think doing it my first time with A-Rod, and I think that was probably his 15th time. It was Jordan's second ceremony.

Speaker 4 I think having it be my first time doing it with those guys that were experienced, I definitely drew strength from those guys, man. Like, you know, being with A-Rod and just feeling his energy, man.

Speaker 4 And, you know, he was just riding that wave, man. And you look up and he's dancing and enjoying it.
It definitely showed me that I can get up and dance too.

Speaker 4 So that first ceremony was definitely amazing, bro. And, you know, I'm a huge advocate for ayahuasca.
I try to go back at least once a year.

Speaker 1 Did you, there was no chance you brought up football at any point in this trip, right? Would that be weird or frowned upon?

Speaker 4 With A-Rod, talk about football. Yeah, no, no, we didn't talk about it.
We talked about life and, you know, so many different correlations in life that you get from that.

Speaker 4 And, yeah, just being around a guy, you know, his life is totally different from mine. He deals with, you know, things that are totally different from what I deal with.

Speaker 4 I deal with things that are totally different from him. But being able to be around him and his energy and his aura and all of those guys, man, we're able to just draw strength from all of those guys.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 6 Did you change the way that you approach your career or your job?

Speaker 4 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 4 It just showed me, you know, you get caught up in football, especially football players.

Speaker 1 We just want more and more and more.

Speaker 4 Like more money, more contract, more houses, more, more... clothes, more females, more and more, more.
And sometimes more isn't what you need.

Speaker 4 Sometimes it's just really dialing into what you have and, you know, really just staying grounded. And I really realized when I was on that trip that nothing in life happens by coincidence.

Speaker 4 And what's for me is for me. And if it's not, it's not.
And I drew peace from that. Some people might get scared about that.
I control what I can control. But at the end of the day,

Speaker 4 if it happens, it happens. And if it doesn't, it doesn't.
And I have a sense of peace from that.

Speaker 6 That's very cool. So I'm very excited to have you in DC.
Very excited to watch you get after passer here. Have you found a guy?

Speaker 4 Is there a guy that went to Texas that you can start just with right off the bat no so when i first got here so coach magano was my coach in denver i was with him for all the otas

Speaker 4 and um half of the season before i got traded to la

Speaker 4 and uh coach magano is the he's the senior defensive assistant here so he knows me he knows like i'm a jokester class clown prankster like my first couple of days you know i was just trying to figure it out i didn't have my driver's license yet you know when you take mom's car out when you don't have your driver's license you're driving with you know high and tight seatbelt on like seat not reclined music down you're really just trying to get the lay of the land you're not trying to get pulled over um but when you just start to learn the guys and being around the guys now i can you know let the seat back turn the music up you can dance and lean you put the tent on the car so i'm really just trying to just really just trying to learn the guys and then through that learning period my personality has started to come out but i'm a weekend now like the guys know me now it's the first fart the first fart is gonna break the ice yeah it's gonna go crazy for sure

Speaker 1 yeah what uh when you played on uh the rams you won a Super Bowl. What was it like playing with Aaron Donald? Is he the strongest guy that you've ever seen in the locker room? Yeah, man.

Speaker 4 He was amazing, man.

Speaker 4 The energy about Aaron Donald, man, was great, man. And

Speaker 4 that honestly, leaving the Los Angeles Rams. And leaving Aaron Donald specifically was one of the hardest things that I had to do and go to a new spot.
We had just won a Super Bowl. You know,

Speaker 4 Aaron Donald, one of the greatest defensive players to ever play.

Speaker 4 Never mind what the offense does.

Speaker 4 Never mind what we do on defense.

Speaker 4 me and aaron donald running games together and being able to rush together we're just gonna get sacks and we only play half a season together so that was one of the toughest things that i had to do man is is really leave that situation and go to the buffalo bills i got a lot of respect for aaron donald um he had won everything he had been a he had led the league in sacks he had been defensive player of the year he had did everything but win a super bowl and um you know his his mentality and his mindset his aura was all about winning super bowls while i was there and it was just a joy to be around man he was a great player to be around.

Speaker 4 Not just him, but Jalen Ramsey, Leonard Floyd.

Speaker 1 That was a really good defense.

Speaker 4 Greg Gaines, like all those guys, man.

Speaker 4 It was a joy to be around those guys. It was hard to leave.

Speaker 1 That defense or the Broncos defense?

Speaker 1 The Broncos defense was pretty insane.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 I don't like to get caught up in comparisons because somebody going to see this and be like, what, you mad?

Speaker 1 No, well, we can beat those guys.

Speaker 4 But I tell you what, both of those teams had, both of those teams were special. And it's like having having two kids.
Like, you love them both the same, but they both different too.

Speaker 4 But I love them both the same.

Speaker 6 Yeah, there's been a lot of discourse about that Broncos team because people are talking about Cam Newton. I think they're doing like Cam Newton, Jalen Hurts comparisons.

Speaker 6 You have to compare everything, but that's led to people being like, oh, Cam wasn't that good. He's not as good as you remember.
But I mean, you've matched up against him.

Speaker 6 You played a great game against him. Can you just talk about like Cam Newton as a player and how special he was?

Speaker 4 Man, Cam Newton playing was, he was a hell of a player.

Speaker 4 You You know, not just that 2015 season, but leading all the way up to that 2015 season. Like, he was the typical, he was a prototypical quarterback.

Speaker 4 Like, he, he set the stage for all the quarterbacks now. He can run, he can throw, he was big, he was strong, he was fast, he had great personality and charisma.

Speaker 4 Um, and I saw that at that interview with Cam Newton. I think, I think people just, people just don't like Cam Newton, so they just get, they just shooting at the messenger.

Speaker 4 His hats, his messenger, his message was legit. Like, they don't do that with everybody else.
You know, people can say this is top 10, top five, and they never say that to any of those other guys.

Speaker 4 They never compare their careers. They just go with the message.

Speaker 4 But since Cam Newton was such a great player, they always try to compare him to whatever he's saying, whatever quarterback he's talking about.

Speaker 4 But he's definitely qualified to have his opinion for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 It's like he can say that, but if he's got like a wide brim with a full peacock tail on top of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, his style is different.

Speaker 4 His style is different. His style has always been different.
And just because, you know, it's foreign to us doesn't mean that

Speaker 4 it's not cool, though. But it's cool to him.

Speaker 6 So he's the coolest guy on the planet. Yeah, like we had him in the office, and it was like, that's that, he is so cool.
It's unreal.

Speaker 6 I'm just saying that if you were inclined to disagree with him already, the fact that he's wearing that hat makes you disagree harder.

Speaker 1 If you don't like his swag, you don't think he also don't wear anything that he's talking about.

Speaker 4 But he's definitely qualified to say whatever he wants.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when he beat the fuck out of those two guys and his hat didn't even come off his head, you saw that video? That was like, okay.

Speaker 1 Because if you can keep your hat on for that, he's just, he's just huge, too.

Speaker 4 Like, he he was at the pastor summit two years ago.

Speaker 4 He just happened to be in Vegas and he we had like an after-party at Live and he had came and his hair was like up to he seemed like he was seven foot tall. And he had got bigger too.

Speaker 4 I was like, geez, this guy's fucking huge though. But like, yeah, Cam Newton, he's qualified to say whatever he wants to say.
He's a quarterback.

Speaker 4 He's played at a high level all the way up from high school, college, NFL. Like people just don't like the messenger.

Speaker 4 It's not really the message because his message is legit, but they just don't like him. So they just start attacking him.

Speaker 1 All right, because you can't compare. What's your favorite

Speaker 1 color combo uniform you've worn in your career? Oh, ones that you felt like you're the fastest.

Speaker 4 You put them on. And Denver, all orange, the color rush jerseys in Denver, like just so sweet, man.
And yeah, being away from Denver and like, you know, at first, it's like, yeah, I'm on a new team.

Speaker 4 And like, as time goes, like, Bob, like, you just miss those days, man. I had spent so much time in Denver, man.

Speaker 4 They're doing so many good things with that organization, building a new facility and new stadium and everything is just going crazy. Got a good team now.
You're just like, damn, man.

Speaker 4 Like, it's like seeing your old girlfriend with a new guy and she's happy.

Speaker 1 You're like,

Speaker 1 and still that's the spank thing. But at first.

Speaker 1 At first you won the breakup because you left then Nathaniel Hackett. So you were like, wow, that's a good idea.
Yeah, I'm glad I'm here.

Speaker 1 But now she's starting to get in shape and she's starting to look good now. And she's bouncing back.
And you're like, dang, like, I should send that, hey, big head text. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I got one last question.

Speaker 6 Great personality on Nathaniel Hackett, though. We should see.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he is. Great too.

Speaker 1 Well, great personal. We had him on Grit Week that year.
And so it took us like maybe 10 weeks before we started criticizing him. It was a blind spot for us.

Speaker 1 We tried to take care of our own, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe not the best head coach.

Speaker 4 It just didn't work. And maybe it just didn't work with the Russ, the Russell Wilson combination.
If you would have had Aaron Rodgers, you know, it would have been a little bit different. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know people in broncos country were were banking on that reunion and kind of had to go with with plan b with russell wilson yeah all right i got one last question roback question r-h-o-b-ac-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take

Speaker 1 kind of a tough question but i want your because you're you're honest with us and you actually give us like honest answers have you thought at all about your hall of fame acceptance speech um

Speaker 4 has it just ever like creeped in your head yeah so i've been to four Hall of Fame ceremonies: Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey,

Speaker 4 Peyton Manning, and Demarcus Ware.

Speaker 4 And whenever I'm there and like watching those guys go through their speech, and like they're just so great at, and it's just so

Speaker 4 motivating. Like, I think about it when I'm in Canton.
Like, I think about what I'm going to say, who I'm going to have, like, intro with me.

Speaker 4 I think about those things whenever I'm there.

Speaker 4 But when I come back to my team, like, I got my head down and I'm still trying to, you know, add to that legacy for sure because it is kind of cool i mean you're still playing and you're a no doubter hall of famer you know that yeah like deep down you just know it you know you're gonna be voted in so it's kind of a cool feeling i'm sure it's cool and like at that those small moments in time whenever i'm watching the hall of fame game or whenever i'm there like watching guys that i played with go like i think about it then but other than that man i still got my head down and i'm still trying to add to that legacy and i'm still trying to add up that uh that invitation list like i want guys from washington to want to come yeah guys from buffalo to want to come and you know, I care about what these guys.

Speaker 4 I'm going to come. I care about what these guys say about me, Mixon, and what these guys think of me, man.
And I'm still trying to win over these guys. So that's what I focus on.

Speaker 9 You got to kiss your dad on the lips on the stage.

Speaker 4 I will.

Speaker 1 That's where you do it.

Speaker 4 I will on the stage. I hold him down.
I will hold him down. It's five years after you played, too, so he probably won't have enough strength.

Speaker 4 I would bare hug him and I would kiss him on the lips.

Speaker 1 A big wet kiss.

Speaker 6 You got any personal goals for this year?

Speaker 4 Man, I just want to go out here and be the best pass rusher I could possibly be.

Speaker 4 Last year, I had shades of me getting back to myself. But the way we played, you know, I was a designated pass rusher.
I definitely play a lot more here.

Speaker 4 And I just want to get back to playing my style of football, man.

Speaker 4 DQ and, you know, Adam Peters have been so supportive and the type of pass rusher that I want to be and the type of pass rusher that I can be.

Speaker 4 And I just want to go out there and just play my style of ball. I'm healthy.
I'm

Speaker 4 two years removed from ACL, maybe three years removed from ACL. Every day it feels a whole lot better.
They do a great job keeping us fresh.

Speaker 4 The Buffalo Bills did a a great job of keeping me fresh, too. Like, no, I'm not comparing that.
But here is just

Speaker 4 different. Like, they do a great job of keeping me fresh, man.
And y'all should be ready to go fast on Sundays, Mondays, and Thursdays.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 7 Well, thanks, Vaughn.

Speaker 1 Always love having you on. And

Speaker 1 we'll be there in Canton when you're off.

Speaker 4 I got to send y'all some chicken, man. Yeah.
I got to send y'all some chicken and some and some swag, man. Green and paste.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also, will you do us a favor? Will you just maybe throw out a tweet when you'll let the first one rip around the boys? Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It should happen.

Speaker 1 It happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just say it happened, no context.

Speaker 1 I appreciate you, guys. All right.
Thanks, Vaughn.

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Speaker 1 Okay, boys, Fire Fest of the week. Henry, you are up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Firefest. Although,

Speaker 1 it's good and bad. It's bad for me.
Good for the program. Good for my friend.
Good for my

Speaker 1 subject, student,

Speaker 1 employee.

Speaker 1 He's your your mentee.

Speaker 6 Oh, you're talking about me? Apprentice?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm your bitch.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. But yeah, we, PFTA, we posted a video on PMT YouTube, getting him ready, internet invitational next week, shot at a million dollars.
We played nine holes. Wasn't a competition.

Speaker 1 It was just, you know, just for practice. But if it was a competition, PFT beat me.
So I've had to live with that for like a week.

Speaker 6 Yeah, actually, Hank, it's interesting you brought that up because my Firefest was going to be that every time I play golf with Hank, not on camera, he beats me, and I have to deal with that.

Speaker 6 You know, like that's more impactful to me mentally than if it was on camera because I know that Hank beat me and he played really, really well when we weren't on camera.

Speaker 6 But every time, I don't know what it is, every time we play on camera, I just beat him and I beat him convincingly. But it's the other times that's what really gets me.

Speaker 6 I've been beating myself up over that.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Wait, breaking moose.

Speaker 1 We got a purple dildo. Oh, no.
It's getting out of control. As the buzzer was sounding in the Chicago Sky game.

Speaker 6 Is it buzzer meter?

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 1 I can't believe that. All right.

Speaker 1 We're out on dildos, I think, now that we know it's crypto scams.

Speaker 1 So, PFT, you're saying that you

Speaker 1 lose to Hank when the cameras aren't on.

Speaker 6 Yeah, like for the last two years, since I've been actually playing golf, since I got my own set of clubs and a bag,

Speaker 6 for some reason, whenever Hank and I play off camera, he beats me. But people don't know that because every time that we're on camera, we played against each other, I beat him.

Speaker 1 And people don't know that. This one wasn't a competition for the record.

Speaker 6 It wasn't a competition, but you do keep scoring golf.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 6 And so when your score is lower, then you're the winner. And it's just like every time it's on camera, I happen to win those.

Speaker 6 And I think people are getting the wrong idea that Hank might not be better than me at golf. But But when people aren't watching, that's when he plays really good.

Speaker 1 Do you have something to say? Because Memes is cracking up right now.

Speaker 2 He just loved Buzzermeter.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you like that one, Memes.

Speaker 6 So, yeah, that was going to be my Fire Fest. But I'm telling you guys, I think I can win the Internet Invitational.
I think I can.

Speaker 6 The way I played today, Hank's been a great coach. No,

Speaker 6 I want to take that back. Hank has been a good CEO, but he was a real piece of shit at our bunker practice.

Speaker 1 I've never, never known how to hit out of a bunker.

Speaker 6 So I'm out there grinding. I've got a coach, shout out Will Smith, that was actually his name, teaching me how to hit a bunker shot.

Speaker 6 And I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm practicing shot after shot, struggling to get it down.

Speaker 1 But I'm working hard.

Speaker 6 Hank comes in, taps me on my shoulder, and goes, You mind if I give it a shot, show you how it's done

Speaker 6 during my practice. Hank steps up to the ball, hits it off the pin,

Speaker 6 and then hands me the club back. He's like, All right, that's how you should do it.
And then he's acting like he's doing me a favor by showing me how to hit a bunker shot. It was

Speaker 6 we got it, almost got into a physical fight in front of my new coach, and he had no idea what the hell was going on. I was like, This guy's a fucking asshole.
You don't understand.

Speaker 6 Hank's a fucking dickhead.

Speaker 1 Hank, DFT hit, I'm not joking,

Speaker 1 10 shots in a row, like directly into the face of the bunker. It was just rage swinging.
Like, I know PFT. He was rage swinging, like going negative, like going negative progress.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, take up, take a second. Like, I'll hit one.
Hake up, take up reaching. Let me show you how it's done.

Speaker 1 And then he wanted to start rage hitting me.

Speaker 6 But after this bunker practice, unless it was good. I learned how to hit a bunker shot.
I hit several good ones today. I shot a 44 on the front today.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 6 So pretty happy about the way things are going right now. We'll see which PFT shows up next week.

Speaker 6 But I mean, if my rounds against Hank are any indication, I tend to play pretty good when the cameras are on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you maybe need to just like carry a picture of Hank in your golf cart and just

Speaker 1 always be thinking about playing against him and you'll just dominate. Yeah, I'll do that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just like, oh, maybe we can get like a little Hank doll and you could just have it like swinging in front of you as you drive your cart.

Speaker 6 That might be infuriating, um, but maybe that's what I need.

Speaker 1 But it would also be fun if you want to punch it or if I want to throw it in the water, yeah, drown the hank doll.

Speaker 6 We can get a bunch of hank dolls, yeah, give it to Blake, have him rip it apart.

Speaker 1 We might, I think we just came upon a little Black Friday merch idea, the hank doll, the hank doll. I like it.
Give it to your doll.

Speaker 1 We'll have it be like intentionally, you can, it's like the breakable chairs or breakable tables in WWE.

Speaker 1 the minute your dog gets it it just shreds it I would watch so many of those videos can it be one of the ones where you like squeeze or pull a string on and it yawns yeah

Speaker 1 oh all right so wait Hank what was your fire fest you kind of got cut there

Speaker 1 no we've talked about it we're good okay clear so you don't have one you're just good at golf no no you lost firefest

Speaker 6 multiple times on camera.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 But that wasn't a competition.

Speaker 1 Multiple.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I think every time we've played me versus you, I think I've beaten you on camera. Austin, Texas.

Speaker 1 Max had that on the ready.

Speaker 10 I was just filming. I wasn't really

Speaker 11 that was happening.

Speaker 1 That saved Max's life.

Speaker 1 All right. My Fire Fest.
I got two. One is

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Memes' parents were in town, and

Speaker 1 he asked if he could use my Cubs tickets on Wednesday. And I was like, of course.
And then it dawned on me after I sent it to him. I was like, this motherfucker's going to try to win the 50-50.

Speaker 1 And he told me before that he bought $200 worth, and he won't tell me what happened. And

Speaker 1 I legitimately think he might have won. And then I realized, too, if he won, I would just be in memes

Speaker 1 spot where I would be like, well, they were my tickets. And so we would just be like the mirror image of each other.
We'd be like, well, it was my pick in the ball, but it was P.

Speaker 1 So tell me, did you win? I did not win. Okay, good.

Speaker 1 My parents looked at me crazy when I bought $200.

Speaker 9 Dude, they were like, why? I was like,

Speaker 9 I got to win.

Speaker 1 I don't know why, but on Monday night, I just got it in my head that I was going to win on Monday night. And it got a little out of hand.
And I didn't win. But I got it in my head.

Speaker 1 I was like, this is going to be the one. I just, I felt it.
I felt something special on Monday night and it was so far from special. It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, man. I don't think so.
It's, it was,

Speaker 1 I was like, this is too much. Like, I was, I even went to buy one extra one at the seventh inning.
And then it was, there was the 50-50 booth that I go to. And then

Speaker 1 one of the 50-50 guys who goes up and down the aisles was like, hey, big cat. So then I was like, well, fuck, I have to buy from him too.

Speaker 1 So then I bought two extras in the seventh inning and still didn't win. But all right, memes.
So you did not win.

Speaker 12 Did not win, but we helped inner city schools.

Speaker 1 That's where the money goes. They're right with that.

Speaker 6 Good shit, man.

Speaker 6 What if Florio wins?

Speaker 1 I can live with that.

Speaker 6 I can live with that. When he's in Chicago, no, you can't.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, you can't. I like

Speaker 1 instantly. You also

Speaker 1 have Hank and memes put together. Florio is not going to, Florio's not going to spend spend a lot of money on the 50-50.
There's no way. That's why you'd hate it.

Speaker 1 He'd spend like five bucks on the 50s. If he won like that, yes.
If he won by spending like a thousand bucks, I'd tip my cap. If he bought one ticket for $5, I would be furious.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But if he went all in, if he was like,

Speaker 1 I'm going to try to buy this pot, I would have to be like, credit to you, dude. You went for it.

Speaker 1 And then my other fire presses, I didn't listen to Max during the Mount Rushmore because I should have. The one time he had actually like a semblance of a good argument, and I didn't listen to him.

Speaker 1 That PFT picked himself on the blunt rotation, which is a crazy move.

Speaker 6 I didn't pick myself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, your team is PFT and Hank. Yeah, Hank picked me.
No, no, you are a team

Speaker 10 entity.

Speaker 1 Your blunt rotation, team PFT and Hank picked PFT. You picked yourself.

Speaker 6 I told Hank not to pick me.

Speaker 1 You signed up. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 It shows Team PFT and Hank picked PFT. PFT.
No, it'll be Team 3.

Speaker 1 Okay, but

Speaker 1 you understand

Speaker 1 who is team three. When the clip comes out, your team picks yourself.

Speaker 1 Memes, you weren't here for Rushmore. I should have listened to Max.

Speaker 10 Memes, you weren't here for Rushmore that day.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts?

Speaker 12 You guys called me on it. Oh, right.

Speaker 1 But it was such a bad moment for me because usually Max is the one who,

Speaker 1 yeah, we all called him. Usually one, Max is the one who walks out of the studio and is like, I should have said that.
Yeah. And I walked out of the studio being like, fuck, Max was right.

Speaker 1 Like, that's never happened to me. And it sucked.

Speaker 6 So, your point is that the pick should not have counted.

Speaker 1 No, I think it's just a crazy, narcissistic move to pick yourself in a blunt rotation.

Speaker 6 For the record, I did not pick myself. I picked up

Speaker 6 not to pick me. I picked you.
And then looking at the graphic, I saw it. I was like, this is the worst look of all time on a graphic.

Speaker 9 This looks MFT over here.

Speaker 1 And then Hank, I went to take a piss after, and Hank just was giggling in MFT.

Speaker 1 Max got singers. I hate him.
It's such a banger.

Speaker 1 I went to take a piss, and I was just like, Hank, you know what you did. And he just started giggling in my face.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, this motherfucker, I was like, just admit to me, you know what you did. He was just giggling.
I was like, God damn it. And Max had the argument.

Speaker 6 For the record,

Speaker 6 I agree with Hank that I'm a lot of fun to smoke weed with, but I would not put myself in the top four of all time. But you did.

Speaker 6 I did it. You did.
I want that to say.

Speaker 1 You did. Your team did.

Speaker 1 That's fucking good. You are a team.
You are a team and you picked yourself. It's a good pick.
It was a good pick, PFT.

Speaker 1 It's a good pick. You literally were like, I would like to hang out with myself and smoke weed with anyone in the history of the world.

Speaker 6 Well, sometimes just smoking by yourself is fun.

Speaker 1 Blunt rotation. First pick, myself.

Speaker 1 Because I want to get high.

Speaker 1 Oh, but yeah, it was more the fact that Max,

Speaker 1 like, that's a bad feeling.

Speaker 1 I hope you guys never have that feeling where you walk out being like, damn, I should have listened to Max.

Speaker 1 It was kind of like a gut check, like, what's going on with my life?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really humbling. Really humbling.

Speaker 1 Really hurt. All right, Zach.

Speaker 2 My firefest of the week is I may have to move out of my apartment complex.

Speaker 2 Something similar has happened in the past to this quick story. But the other night I was at the house.
It was a little late.

Speaker 2 I need to take a trash out I I have met some of my neighbors previously I know I've got a very professional couple like two doors down that they leave in suits and like very business not even business casual like business business garb and then there's also a very beautiful woman that's probably two doors down the other direction

Speaker 2 I have talked to them in passing good chats with with all of them but unfortunately, it was late. I need to take the trash out.

Speaker 2 I got caught at the trash chute, not only by my business, business neighbors, but the very attractive woman a couple doors down that's been very kind in my Halloween pajamas and my Xbox headset.

Speaker 2 I've never wanted to just melt away more in my entire life.

Speaker 1 Why did you take it off? Why did you take off your Xbox headset?

Speaker 2 It was going to be so quick, like down and back to the trash chute.

Speaker 1 I thought it was so late at night, and I just, I've never regretted anything more.

Speaker 2 And, of course, they're all coming home at the same time. You couldn't have, like, I'm actively on Redfin searching.

Speaker 1 What was the interaction?

Speaker 9 The interaction is they both,

Speaker 2 like, the one girl looks up, she waves, the two business business are coming in from maybe a date night or like an outing, and they just kind of like acknowledge.

Speaker 2 I go to say something, and it's just go directly back to the apartment into my room, into my safe space.

Speaker 9 I have a very important question for you, Zach.

Speaker 1 Are the Halloween pajamas,

Speaker 1 are they glowing in the dark?

Speaker 2 It's a skeleton that glows in the dark.

Speaker 1 My kids are the same one. Is it is it

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 matching set?

Speaker 1 Is it exactly the ones you're talking about? It's a matching set, yeah. Oh, my gosh.
Is it your kids? It's the legs and the torso. Oh, no, Zach.
Zach, I'll take a picture.

Speaker 1 I literally, my kids love those pajamas. They wear them.
They ask for them almost every night, and you're wearing them.

Speaker 2 So do I, but I'm also not, I'm also not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 9 This is Zach.

Speaker 10 We're going to need you to take a picture of yourself.

Speaker 10 I need to see these pajamas.

Speaker 1 We need the pajamas and the headset. When you get home, we'll put it in the YouTube.
Yes,

Speaker 1 you have to have it.

Speaker 2 I'm going to put it back into them when I get home, so I can do that for you guys.

Speaker 1 Perfect. Perfect.
And the headset.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the headset has to be there. Zach, was it just like a standard generic white trash bag that you were throwing out, or were you throwing out something that was identifiable?

Speaker 2 No, so luckily not identifiable, but maybe telling him because I do just do like the grocery bag move because I don't have a lot of trash. So I just do like the target bag tie-up.

Speaker 2 So maybe they know now that I'm not like an official trash can guy as well.

Speaker 1 Zach, would I... Was it multiple bags?

Speaker 10 Wait, you don't own a trash can?

Speaker 2 No, I just use the tiny bags and then get rid of them as I go.

Speaker 1 Well, he's just throwing out McDonald's.

Speaker 6 You should get a trash can at some point.

Speaker 2 It just feels like...

Speaker 9 It would take forever to fill up.

Speaker 2 Those bags just in and out every night were good. The best part of that.

Speaker 1 That means less trips to the the chute.

Speaker 1 The best part about Zach's saying that he doesn't have a trash bin is that he goes to Target every single week.

Speaker 1 That's like the number one place to get that.

Speaker 9 Yeah. That's where you get all the free bags, though, too, on the checkout.

Speaker 2 They've got so many bags.

Speaker 6 You're a stock guy. Yeah.
I do.

Speaker 10 I think a trash can from Target maybe costs like $10.

Speaker 2 But also, you got to be careful. You can't use the chute for bags that are too big.

Speaker 2 So now I'm setting myself up to go downstairs.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hold on, Zach.
Let's

Speaker 1 spin zone this real quick. Okay.

Speaker 1 The hallway, good lighting?

Speaker 2 Not the best lighting.

Speaker 2 Pretty dim.

Speaker 1 Okay, but there's

Speaker 1 enough lighting that when you got back in your apartment, those glow-in-the-dark skeletons popped.

Speaker 1 Hopefully I wasn't glowing.

Speaker 9 If I was glowing in the hallway, I should have already moved out.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so if it's dim in the hallway and it's light in your apartment, they might have seen the skeleton out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, they saw the skeleton.

Speaker 9 I I just hope it wasn't glowing. They definitely saw me in full skeleton, which is the worst part.

Speaker 1 Like, skeleton crocks.

Speaker 1 The Xbox headsets almost like just to run to the.

Speaker 1 What color? Did you have the pins on them?

Speaker 9 They're just white. No gibbets.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately. We got to get you some gibbets.
What about the gibbets?

Speaker 2 The shirt was the chest and arms of the skeleton.

Speaker 6 So you were wearing the full set, yes, as one does in pajamas.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God, Zach. That is so fucking funny.

Speaker 2 So if anybody needs a roommate or anybody knows any good spots, let me know because I might be checking out soon.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 that's so good.

Speaker 7 That's so good.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 6 The girl's not going to forget you, though.

Speaker 9 That's true.

Speaker 2 I probably did make it to the group chat, just not in ways that I wanted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Zach.

Speaker 1 Girls are attracted to guys they can fix. And a dude in glow-in-the-dark skeleton pajamas throwing out a target bag with the Xbox headset at midnight is a guy who can be fixed.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's the appropriate time of day to be doing that.

Speaker 6 If this was like 1:30 in the afternoon, then that would be a different conversation.

Speaker 2 That's a great point. You're right.
It was like prime pajamas hours.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you only have to worry about the business business couple. They judged.
The hot girl might have been turned on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, business business has never invited me to their hookouts on the patio ever again.

Speaker 1 If they do, you have to go in your pajamas.

Speaker 2 Because they know, like,

Speaker 2 they maybe could have pretended to take me seriously as a neighbor previously. Now they're just like, who is this guy?

Speaker 9 What's going on here?

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 They know that.

Speaker 6 They're definitely not going to ask you for any favors.

Speaker 1 They're not going to be like, hey, can you come over and feed my cat?

Speaker 6 Can you walk away? You seem like a business guy.

Speaker 1 You want to help me with this one? Well, no, don't. Let's not rule out.
Let's not judge. What if they're getting pub stomped and smurfed?

Speaker 1 He is the number one guy you call.

Speaker 2 I don't think they game a lot. They scream a lot

Speaker 1 at each other.

Speaker 1 I'm not, but it maybe.

Speaker 6 I think the real problem might be that the business guy saw you and now he hates you because he's insanely jealous. Yeah.

Speaker 6 He's like, this dude, I would trade my entire life to be able to just hang out in my pajamas, play Xbox.

Speaker 9 That's fair. Maybe he.

Speaker 2 I don't want his suit, though. Do I have to give up my pajamas?

Speaker 6 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 PFT's right.

Speaker 6 You might be the alpha of that apartment complex now. It's like this dude is just, he's living the dream.

Speaker 1 No, PFT's right. That guy definitely had a moment.

Speaker 1 If he's dressing up in a suit every day and coming home to just scream at his significant other, he's wishing he could throw it all away to get into his skeleton pajamas and game with the boys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 In his defense, they are good suits, though.

Speaker 10 Like, he leaves sharp.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you also have glow-in-the-dark pajamas. Those aren't regular pajamas.
Those are the good suits of pajamas.

Speaker 12 Because do you have a pair as well or just the kids?

Speaker 1 I don't, just the kids.

Speaker 1 I had to ask.

Speaker 1 I haven't

Speaker 1 like we're actually glossing over the fact that like I don't know anyone else on this podcast, but me personally, I don't think I've had a pajama set since I was like five years old.

Speaker 6 I don't own anything that you would consider to be pajamas.

Speaker 1 No, I go to sleep in a t-shirt and boxers every night.

Speaker 6 What does that look, Hank? What do you want to say there, Hank?

Speaker 1 No, remember, Hank, he got robbed. His pajamas got robbed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Be like 90% of who you wear could be classified as pajamas.

Speaker 1 Junkster January definitely gets blurry with pajamas.

Speaker 6 It does. It does.
But no, I mean, I'm an underwear man. Go to sleep in underwear.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't think I wore pajamas past the age of 18.

Speaker 1 Zach, you don't.

Speaker 13 That's a good spin zone for you, Zach, by the way.

Speaker 10 Like, PFT just wears pajamas in public. Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 It could be a lot of fun.

Speaker 10 So at least you were in the

Speaker 10 privacy of your own apartment building.

Speaker 1 Zach. That's fair.

Speaker 6 I want to ask a question.

Speaker 1 You don't have to answer, but I want to ask it.

Speaker 4 Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 On your bed, do you have any stuffed animals or anything like that?

Speaker 2 There's, so I wouldn't classify, I wouldn't call it a stuffed animal.

Speaker 1 What is it? What is it?

Speaker 2 It's a Salowbro squishmallow.

Speaker 1 So it's not. You have a squishmallow? My kids also have those.

Speaker 6 I should have kept that.

Speaker 2 I should have kept that tugged.

Speaker 1 Do you hug your Squishmallow?

Speaker 2 No, no. It just goes on the...
I just throw it. After I make the bed, I throw it up there as a garb.

Speaker 1 Throw a pillow festive. Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 6 Is it the Pokemon?

Speaker 2 It is. Okay.
It is the Pokemon Slowbro.

Speaker 9 Is it Pikachu?

Speaker 9 No, it's Slowbro.

Speaker 1 Oh, Slowbro is. Okay, my bad.
He's the guy.

Speaker 1 I know Pokemon.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I know Slowbro.

Speaker 6 Where's Slowbro?

Speaker 6 Is it Slow Poke?

Speaker 2 That I don't know.

Speaker 2 I originally got it from my brother because it's the mascot of our unofficial official running team.

Speaker 1 That you didn't take part in.

Speaker 12 Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, Slowbro. I'm seeing him right now.
He's a pink Pokemon. This kind of looks like it'd be thrown on a WNBA court.

Speaker 2 I don't know how we're sneaking that in, but we try.

Speaker 1 No, Zach, it's

Speaker 6 also shows that you're a man that has a routine. Like you change into your pajamas at the end of the day.
Yeah. You probably got, you don't just like hop into bed in your sweats or whatever.

Speaker 2 No, I'm an outside clothes, inside clothes guy, so I'll get home,

Speaker 2 quick shower, pajamas, and then I, the pajamas are just like while I'm around the house, like in the apartment, and then I just, I just rip boxers to sleep. So out of the pajamas before bed.

Speaker 9 Oh, those are just that.

Speaker 1 Those are just pajamas for hanging out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just the after, like the late evening lounge situation.

Speaker 6 Yeah, hot it. You want to get comfy with it.
Got it. Let's put some, get some elastic in the situation.
Yes, Hank?

Speaker 1 When you, you know, gaming locked in like what what happened in the middle of the game where you're like oh fuck I gotta go take the trash out

Speaker 2 I spilled a diet dr.

Speaker 2 Pepper had to you had to clean up a lot of paper towels and I was like these have to go too much sugar on them didn't want any ants Zach the more you talk about this the more what PFT said is correct.

Speaker 1 I'm jealous of this. Yeah, like you were you were describing like Obviously, I love my kids.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't trade it for the world, but like for a minute, I would love to just be like, oh man, my biggest issue tonight is I spilled like Dr. Pepper while gaming in my pajamas.

Speaker 1 So that's a good night, dude.

Speaker 2 There's no silver linings in everything. It is an okay night sometimes.
Max.

Speaker 10 I have one more question.

Speaker 10 You said you still had the headset on. Yes.
Is there any chance you were still connected to your Xbox while this interaction was?

Speaker 1 3,000%.

Speaker 2 My friends heard everything.

Speaker 1 The blue ship was 100% connected.

Speaker 9 They knew exactly what was going on.

Speaker 1 Wait, were you holding the controller? No, no. No, it was wireless.
Wireless. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 If you were holding the controller,

Speaker 1 that would have been incredible.

Speaker 6 Or if you were yelling at your friends as you were throwing the trash out, were you talking at all to your friends while you were going?

Speaker 2 On the way to the shoot, yeah, just because I thought it was a quick run.

Speaker 2 And then as soon as individuals showed up that weren't like not expected, instant silence, just head nod, not a sprint, but I was just out of there quick.

Speaker 1 What a visual. I can't wait to see you in these pajamas.

Speaker 6 My favorite with Zach is when he's telling a story that he's a little bit nervous about or a little bit embarrassed about. He starts kind of talking like a cop.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 He's like, and so at that point, I encountered two individuals, and the individuals and I acknowledge each other, and I had to retreat back to my domicile.

Speaker 1 The individuals were wearing suits.

Speaker 1 They approached me from six o'clock at a moderate pace.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. All right.

Speaker 1 Great Firefest.

Speaker 1 Great Firefest. And I cannot wait to see this picture.
Send it to the group chat as soon as you get home. It's so funny.
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we finish with numbers? Three.

Speaker 12 Good job, memes. That was a good job, memes.

Speaker 1 22. Oh, Pug.

Speaker 1 What's up, Pug? Yeah, Pug.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck yeah, Pug. It's a great pug.

Speaker 1 Holding it down. I'll go with 60.

Speaker 1 I'll go with 6.

Speaker 1 85.

Speaker 6 I'll go with 6.

Speaker 1 99 put.

Speaker 14 I'll go 70 for Sean.

Speaker 1 Oh, there we go.

Speaker 1 Oh, because you can't go 118 for all the money he made?

Speaker 14 That was unnecessary.

Speaker 1 Praise for him.

Speaker 6 Big cat, you want to just tell me when to stop it?

Speaker 1 You just go for like five seconds, yeah, and just don't even look. Zach, what was your number?

Speaker 2 94. What's yours, Hank?

Speaker 1 22.

Speaker 2 51.

Speaker 1 51.

Speaker 6 Great show, boys.

Speaker 7 Love you guys.

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