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On today's part of my take, we have John Harbaugh and Roquan Smith from Raven's Camp.

It is grit week, episode two.

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Feeling gritty.

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Never felt better.

Yeah.

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Today is Wednesday, July 30th, and it's grit week.

And we're having fun, boys.

We're loving it.

It's been a great week so far.

I'm a little bit sad because each day that goes by, it feels like Grit Week's one day closer to being over.

Yeah.

And, you know, that's tough because we get to hang out with the fellas, have a great time, chop it up.

And I just want to say I really love hanging out with you guys.

I love hanging out with you guys.

So, yeah, we've been everywhere.

We started Monday, we went to Ravens Camp.

We have John Harbaugh and Roquan Smith on today's show.

We then went to Travis Pastrana's house, Pastrana Land, which was insane.

We interviewed him, he'll come out.

That interview will come out in a couple weeks, but we also have a video that will come out soon where Zach is the MVP.

Absolutely, Pastrana Land was awesome.

Yep, then we went went to D.C., did Commander's Camp, went to Jimmy's Seafood, ate so much seafood, went to an Orioles game, and then drove up to, now we're in Philly, and the drive was great.

It was fun.

It was so much fun hanging out with you guys.

Yeah.

So, yeah, what a great day from start to end.

I know things got off to like a little bit of a rocky start.

Hank was a little grumpy in the morning.

I just want to set the stage.

I'm not saying he's grumpy now.

He was grumpy in the morning.

He just started firing at us.

He got up 20 minutes early.

I thought he had too much breakfast.

Well, it was because he ate two breakfasts.

Yeah.

And we know that Hank casts.

That was yesterday.

You got your days mixed up.

7:45 was when we were meeting in the lobby to go to the commanders, and Hank got there at 7:25.

And that's 20 minutes, he'll never get back.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's crude.

If you're not, you know, we hear a lot of coaches: if you're not, you know, if you're not early, you're late.

And I wanted to be early.

So before we go.

I think that's something that should be like

taking a shot at.

No, I agree.

I agree.

I pride myself on being early.

Yeah, and you caught a nap later on in the day.

I did.

In the car.

Yep.

Punky punctuality.

Before we do some national sports podcast stories and do hot seat cool turns, should we just air the grievances real quick?

Yeah.

Can I go?

I mean,

I would like to air a grievance, but I know it's going to be a situation where you're putting words in my mouth already.

You're not going to let me finish and you're just going to interrupt me.

Sounds like this is a pre-grievance.

I have a grievance that I would like to air.

Pre-grievances.

Why are you grievancing us?

You said, should we air the grievances?

And I said, I have one I would like to air.

Permission to air it without being interrupted.

Granted.

Okay, granted.

Weird.

Can I look at you while you're doing this?

No, no.

I have the right to face my accuser.

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Oh, so you're saying you're...

up for a crime.

You're going to air grievances at me.

You're grievances at me.

How do you know it's at you?

Yeah.

How do you know it's at you?

Because you looked at me and you said, you're going to do this thing.

I mean, I'm looking, we're looking at where we're sitting.

Okay.

I'm looking at Zach too.

All right, so air grievance on Zach.

So do you think I'm airing a grievance at you?

I think you are.

No, because there's nothing that you've done to me because you're an absolute delight.

Anyway, guess Max, question.

Could you please not point at people with the microphone?

We were driving today.

We were driving today to Jimmy Seafood.

Mike, our security guard, was driving.

Bitcat's too much of a diva to drive himself anymore.

we're driving.

We're driving Jimmy Seafood.

And yeah, I fell asleep.

Wait, why weren't you driving?

Because you never let us drive.

Anyway,

but

you no longer drive.

Anyway, again, I got one sentence in before you interrupt me.

Not a surprise.

I asked her.

You took a shot at me.

You took a shot at me for no one.

It is a factor of fiction.

Mike drives.

Yeah.

That's what he does.

But when we used to do Great Week, who would drive?

Okay, okay.

Anyway, as I continue, uh

i took a little nap we get and i had i and i've talked on the show about having to sleep talking i you know i sleep talk sometimes we go to jimmy seafood phenomenal food yeah they had we ate so much food i have never felt fatter more full but it was all so so good they hooked it up course after course food after food It was all so good.

And then I got in the car and I was like, wow, I am full.

We're headed to the Orioles game.

And I got back in the car and I kind of remembered.

I was like, oh, yeah, I fell asleep.

And like, I had a weird dream.

And I was like, hey, like, and I know, I've talked about it on the show before, how I have a habit of sleep talking.

And it concerns me because sometimes whether I'm on planes or whatever, sometimes you wake up on a plane and you don't know if you slept talk or not.

I was like, hey, guys, did I sleep talk?

With your boys.

Big cat doesn't shut up.

Was shockingly silent.

Doesn't say a word in the front seat.

PFT.

PFT goes, I plead the fifth.

Which is that that's where my spidey senses go on.

These are supposed to be my friends.

And I know that this is not going to get talked about in this car ride.

It's going to get talked about in the podcast.

And then I got angry.

And then I was like, why?

Like, why?

You know, and the PFT is like, what you talk about.

I started telling about the dream of the weird dream I had.

And then thinking that, again, as friends, they'd be like, oh, yeah, this is what you were saying.

I pled the fifth.

But then I was like,

are we going to plead the?

But I said, are we going to plead the fifth later?

And you both said no.

So I was getting angry that you guys are supposed to be my friends.

You would not tell me what I was saying as I was sleep talking.

and now you can basically make up anything that you want.

And yeah, also, Mike is supposed to be a neutral party.

He didn't say anything either, so I'm upset with him.

I'm upset with you.

I'm upset with all three of you.

I still don't know who I did.

Yeah, I don't know either.

I said,

You told me I slept talk, and then I said, What was I saying?

And you would not tell me.

I pled the fifth.

That's a scumbag move.

I pled the fifth.

Mike said

he's a cop.

You're not allowed to plead the fifth.

I don't have to self-incriminate.

I don't have to testify against you.

Hank, me and you are like are like spouses in mount rushmore scene you don't have to testify against your spouse you're supposed to tell each other and i said sorry you're supposed to share bank accounts tell each other everything and you don't do either of those

hank just kept i said sorry like four times hank goes you don't fucking mean sorry and i said you're right i just want this to end and he's just like it's not ending and then you ended it and then you brought it back up we kept trying to just not talk about it and then you kept bringing it back up because all i wanted was an answer okay do you want the answer no yeah and this i have an idea

is what was pissing me off most.

I want to give away for the show.

You want the truth?

Yeah, sure.

I have an idea for you to get the real truth.

Let's do the truth.

Max, I have an idea for you to get the real truth.

I think that Mike should take you to the back room.

He'll bring the microphone in.

If both of your stories match, it'll be the truth.

That's true.

That's a way that we can figure out what the real truth is.

Speed your lives.

We can bring the hand on Mike.

Mike's already done.

Joe, just say it.

No, I think this is a good idea.

I just said it.

I just said it.

No.

No, this is pre-planned.

No, it's not.

This is not pre-planned.

I swear to God.

Where are these mics?

I swear to God.

Oh, look at that.

The mic's ready.

Well, what do you know?

We've been using the handheld mics this whole week.

You go whisper into Mike's ear.

Wait, what do you mean?

You're going whisper into Mike's ear.

No, it would be.

Mike

would have to tell you.

I don't care.

I don't care.

It was, again,

there's a principle thing.

No, it doesn't matter.

It's too late.

You're going to say it anyway.

But you're going to say it anyway, so just let it rip.

Take the band.

You don't want us to say it.

You want Mike to say it?

I don't care.

I would like Mike to say it.

I would like Mike to say it.

Mike, say it.

Say it.

Tell the truth.

That's what he was saying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The real truth.

The real truth.

The real truth.

So, just so if anyone's confused, we got in the car.

Hank slept a portion of the trip.

Then we got out of the car, ate.

Then we got back in the car.

And he was like, did I say anything?

And then all hell.

No, no, no.

You said yes.

Wait, all help.

Pifty said yes.

Hank woke up and then started accusing us of not telling him what he was saying.

did you say yes did you say yes i pled the fifth no you said yes okay okay mike what what what happened what did happen when hank was sleeping

all right i was in the car hank did fall asleep i was driving i didn't i personally didn't hear hank say anything

but when he woke up and he was asking did i say anything in my dream

pft said i played the fifth i didn't say anything Big head said nothing.

Yeah.

So you like bugged out and you got like super sensitive.

He started that.

You started panicking and like, no, I'm not going to let this go.

I'm not letting this go.

He said yes.

But

what did Hank say in his sleep?

Absolutely nothing.

Yeah, but he actually took it off.

But the fact that they said nothing, but you just wouldn't let it go.

You would not let it go.

Nothing in his sleep.

You said that.

Absolutely nothing.

The best part was that Hank, he started self-accusing all the dreams he was having, like getting ahead of the story and just confessing weirder and weirder dreams.

And me and Big At were just looking at each other like, what are you doing?

And then

I did say I wanted you to fall asleep against so I could hear the rest of the story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was joking.

I was messing around.

You guys are acting innocent, like you weren't leading me out.

It's fine.

That's the truth.

It's not good, but it is what it is.

And then Hank stopped talking to me, and then we started to get them out rushmore dock together.

And Hank just didn't want to do it.

And he's just giving me the cold shoulder.

I don't know if, I don't know if this man's still my friend anymore.

We got a great list.

I like that.

There's absolutely nothing.

You did not sleep talk at all.

But you guys know I do that.

Right, but then you came in and started accusing us of not telling you that we weren't.

No.

I said, did I sleep talk?

And PFT said yes.

And then I said, what did I say?

And then you said, I plead the fifth.

Hank, plead the fifth.

I said nothing.

You already said I said nothing.

I know you said nothing, but because

I even said it when I wassued that I said, did I sleep talk?

And then PFT said yes.

So when my friend lies to me, I do get upset.

And then you started confessing what all your dreams are.

I was telling you about my dreams.

Everyone loves to hear about people's dreams.

So I was telling you guys.

Hank was like screaming at me.

And I just, I just said to him, I was like, Hank, I am, I am doing the bare minimum of listening to this conversation right now.

And he got so I've never, I've never seen Hank this angry before.

It was, he was furious for like an hour in the car ride, and he said nothing in his sleep.

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

Not a word.

Good news.

Yeah.

Mystery solved.

Mystery is solved.

Crazy.

You want to apologize for attacking us?

No.

No.

Have we learned a lesson about pleading the fifth?

No.

Okay.

I would do, if you guys, if the situation played out the same and you guys said yes and then said I plead the fifth and I knew we were going to talk about it on the podcast, I would be just as upset.

Did you not think something was up when you're like, why didn't you say anything?

And we're like, we don't know.

Like, that was

obviously you're going to talk about it on the podcast.

You guys made your little plan.

I think you guys, again, yes, was I a little bit paranoid?

Possibly.

In hindsight.

You started telling us things you could have said.

You were like, you're OJ.

If I did it, you're like, well, I could have said this and I could have said that.

We're like,

I have a bad history.

Not bad history of sleep talking, but I've said some weird shit in my sleep and it's like, I don't like that, obviously.

And I get anxious about it.

So are we good now?

Ish.

What do you mean?

Me and PFT.

Hang on.

Yeah.

We good?

Yeah, we're fine.

Are we good?

Because I did way less.

I never even said that you were sleep talking.

Yeah, we're fine.

Okay.

We're fine.

Mike, thank you.

Appreciate it.

Mike, Kamir, come back for a sec.

When you were watching all of this, oh, can you handshake me?

Why are you mad at me?

I didn't say yes.

I said we're fine.

Mike, was there any moment where you're like, hey, this podcast might be on the ropes right now?

Because it did get contentious.

I was thinking about retirement.

There was one point where I thought Hank was not going to show up tonight.

That went through my mind as well.

But they were playing.

I told you, I said they're playing you like a fiddle.

You did say that.

I did say that.

I said they're playing you like a fiddle.

You didn't listen to that.

Because I said, I was like, I know.

I was like, I'm not even trolling.

I'm in neutral right now.

I've got my brain off.

And you were just winding yourself up on things where you were.

It was him, my alleged partner.

That was what bothered me.

I'm like, PFT, we're supposed to be in lockstep.

You're like, I blew the fifth, I blew the fifth.

Freak driving, by the way, Mike.

Sorry for Hank taking that shot.

That was fucked up.

That was fucked up.

And that was, that was probably unnecessary.

Yeah.

Wait, so you said you were good with PFT.

Are you good with me?

Because I

never said that.

I'm more good with you than PFT.

All I did was say nothing.

My biggest crime is keeping my mouth shut.

You were supposed to be in locks.

It was literally, I said to him in the middle of it, I was like, Hank, you're chasing your shadow right now.

We're not doing anything.

And he just kept on getting more and more.

Not acknowledging the fact that you said yes.

And then you guys knew what you did.

You knew what you did.

You knew exactly what you did.

You would go on and then we'd be like, are we done?

Yeah, I'd say sorry, and then you'd say, That's not a real sorry.

And I'd be like, You're right.

And then

this is like the one time all week that we haven't had cameras on you guys, by the way.

And I'm I don't know how it would have played out because he probably wouldn't have talked as freely as he was talking.

He was really motherfucking us, like saying mean shit to us.

Let's not act like Hank's mood didn't predate this conversation.

Hank has been in the mood all day.

I've been in a great mood all day.

Uh, wait, and I heard, so this all happened, and then uh, I heard that there was an in the other car because because the RV generator was broken, so so we were driving in cars up here.

I heard in the other car there was another fight, Zach and memes, Max.

Can you go?

We just aired ours.

They can't

pretend to not air theirs.

Come on, I woke up from a nap.

This is a problem.

We're doing too many naps, boys.

I woke up from a nap.

They went to the pit stop.

Zach came in the car, put Shane's camera on

the divider.

He said, hey, memes, I put Shane's camera there.

Can you move it?

I just woke up from a nap, so I was just like, yeah, whatever.

Shane comes in.

Camera hits Shane in the knee.

I was like, oh, yeah, Shane.

I forgot to tell you that.

That was it.

Max, did they fight?

There's no fight.

There's no fight.

There's no beef?

I was not there, but from what I heard from other people in the car, I brought up the incident and everyone was just like defending one side or the other.

I think it was more of an incident than what it led on to.

Memes, come on.

You can't know because you guys both were there.

I wasn't there.

Actually, Shane, you were there.

The men at this table air out their grievances.

You guys

are grievances.

I don't think it was a grievance.

The men at the table, we sit here and we finally tell Hank he said nothing in his sleep.

If we had a grievance, I think we would air it.

Okay, that's disappointing.

There's no rigging.

Because you do hate Zach.

Zach didn't feel like a a grievance.

It didn't feel like a grievance.

Did you feel like they were going after you?

I didn't think anybody was grievanced whatsoever.

I almost say everyone took Zach's side in this fight.

As one does, there was no fight.

That's why memes hit Zach.

Well, no, Max just made half that up.

Why do you hate Zach?

I made none of that up.

You made all that up.

No, it was my fault.

Wow.

I don't know, Hank.

Hank?

That's big of you.

Did you see what he did?

You want to do the same?

No, it's 100% PFT spotlight.

Hank, I kept my mouth shut.

You said yes.

I kept my mouth shut.

I went to Jared and you said yes.

The best part is we were sitting in

a big, like huge SUV, and I was sitting in the front seat with Mike, and then PFT was in the middle two seats, and then Hank was sitting all the way to the back.

There was so much room, and we were all in different rows.

Yelling at each other.

For no reason.

Oh, man.

All right.

It's good.

Grit week.

This This is why I love Grit Week.

We're all together.

We're together.

It's only two is a ton.

It's only two is a ton.

You did yawn like a weirdo, though.

Yeah.

Oh, once I was mad.

I was, I was letting you know.

You were doing that.

I can seal him.

I can throw a muzzle on him.

And it's like, no.

You were just letting them fly in our ears.

Yeah.

And it ripped.

Yeah.

At one point, PFT was just like, can we start working on our Mount Rushmore?

He said, no.

He's just said, no.

And he's like, I'm going to do it myself.

You still haven't done it.

Hank.

We've both put names on the list.

Hank just started telling me like purposely horrible submissions to this map.

I'm not going to do that, y'all.

I got a separate list.

I was leading PFT on, then I didn't have a list.

I got a good list.

All right.

National Sports Podcast.

Yep.

We were at camp.

Terry McLaurin wants $33 million.

Something more than $30.

I got a chance to talk to Adam Peters today for a little bit.

I'm sure he gave me the whole unvarnished truth.

I'm optimistic.

I'm optimistic things get done.

Okay.

I did my best.

I tried to negotiate with Adam.

It just mainly devolved into me telling him how good Jaden was and just be like, good job with Jaden.

Okay.

I gave that grade an A plus.

So you're optimistic, but he does want, he wants, so he wants more than $33 million, which is what DK Mechanics is.

He wants like in the neighborhood of DK money.

Okay.

CD's got 30 million.

That's not what Adam told me.

That's just kind of public record.

Justin Jefferson has 35 million.

Jamar Chase is 40.3.

Yeah.

So do you think he's

in the Jamar Justin Jefferson CD range?

Probably not in terms of his age.

Yeah.

He's a little bit older than those guys.

How old is CD?

CD.

But he's older than most of those guys they mentioned.

Cortland Sutton, that deal that he got done, if anything, that probably makes it more likely.

CeeDee Lamb is 26 years old.

Okay, that's crazy.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

So Terry's four, I guess, five years older.

Yeah.

Four or five.

But the Cortland Sutton deal, that I think makes it more likely Terry's going to get done because that's less money than Terry's asking for that he got.

And if you look at their stats from last year, kind of comparable.

Terry's better in some areas, but I think that makes it more likely that it gets done.

I just, it would be, it would be bad vibes going into this season, not having the best player from your team for the last five seasons.

Yes.

The guy that you want to make an example and be like, hey, if you do everything right like this guy and you stick around through like the shittiest years and you're still a good teammate, good player, we'll reward you.

You want to send that message.

I hope that something gets done, but I don't know.

Yeah.

So, but it was good being at camp.

It was great being at camp.

Yeah.

Got to dap up Jaden.

I thought that went well cleaned up.

You crushed that.

Yeah, I did crush it.

I was getting accused of my dap being bad because, well, what Jaden said, he was like bear's hat as I was going in.

So then I went in a little softer.

But then we got a good hug, half hug going.

Yeah, I diagnosed accurately.

It was a three-step dap, the hand slap, hug, and then the pop at the end.

And then I spent last night thinking of more things to say to him.

And I went downstairs and I rehearsed it with Wiper, with Jack behind the scenes, because he's like Jaden's height.

height.

So I was like, I'll get a rep in before I go.

And I did the dap and I go, all love.

And the second I said it, I was like, that's bad.

I said one love.

That was bad.

I thought about one love too.

One.

Yeah, one would have been good.

So at that point, I said, fuck it.

You know what?

I'm thinking about this too much.

I'm going to wing it.

And then the only thing I could think of when I dapped him up was just be like, you're so good.

You're so because that's all I say when he's on TV.

And it's natural.

And yeah, so we're best friends now.

Yeah.

And yeah, I would confirm that.

Yeah, best friends.

his eyes lit up when he saw me.

You know what?

Actually, the best part was when he saw me, he looked at me.

You know what he said?

Uh-oh.

Whoa.

Here comes trouble.

Oh.

So, like, kind of bad boy.

Yeah.

Oh, here comes a little guy.

Yeah.

No,

memes did call PFT the little guy before the show started.

And so that to add to the tension, he said, where's the little guy?

The little guy.

Memes is towering.

What are you, 5'11?

Memes?

Where's the little guy?

Yeah.

Oh, sure enough.

Congrats.

6'2.

I just wanted to get involved.

Yeah, I loved it.

I don't love it as much anymore.

I kind of love it.

Trey Hendrickson is going back to Bengals camp.

He's holding in now.

He's getting charged 50 grand a day, which I feel like that if you're asking for more money and then you've put yourself in a situation where they're taking money away from you, that never really made sense to me.

And I think in some cases, some ownerships might be able to work past that.

And if you come to a a deal, they say, let's figure out a way to forget the 50 grand that you technically owe us.

I would guess that the Bengals ownership would not be one of those groups.

No.

That would do it.

No, they probably spent that already.

Yeah.

So he's holding in.

Yeah.

He's a hold in.

We're taking all our outs, turning them into ins.

Yeah.

We also had Treylon Burks got waived, which officially makes the A.J.

Brown deal one of the worst trades ever.

Yeah.

It's pretty.

Yeah, I didn't think about that.

Yeah, so it's to recap it was

it was it four years ago or three years ago how long ago was that two years ago i can't remember three years ago three years ago uh the titans traded aj brown to the eagles eagles won a super bowl with aj brown he also signed a four-year extension uh and then the eagles traded to the titans the 2022 number 18 overall pick which was traylon burks uh the 2022 third-round pick uh

which was then traded to the jets and then they got uh roger mccreary McCreary,

a tackle, and a wide receiver.

I don't think any of them are on the team anymore.

Okay, shout out.

Great.

That was the move that was done kind of behind Varabel's back.

Yeah.

I would not be happy if I traded away A.J.

Brownie.

No.

And he's been very good.

Yes.

He's been very, very good for you.

As a Commanders fan, I hate that trade maybe more than the Titans do.

Yeah, I'd agree.

I'm looking to see.

Yeah, the tackle is,

I think he's a free agent.

So, yeah, that's bad.

That's really.

Oh, no, he's on the 49ers.

So, yeah, that's bad.

That's really bad.

That's very bad.

We also had Corderl Patterson retire.

Did it on his own way, which I loved.

He just tweeted it.

Didn't let anyone else chef or cuck him or anything or rap report.

He just said breaking news.

What was the exact tweet?

It was a paraphrase from Friday.

Yeah.

He said,

he said, breaking news, Pittsburgh Steelers release old, washed up Cordero Patterson on his day off.

Yep.

And then I think it looked like he went to Chili's.

Fuck yeah.

Great move.

Heat his trio.

He was having a margarita.

If you're Corderell Patterson, you probably made a lot of money.

Yeah.

What better way to celebrate your forced retirement than by knocking back an all-day margarita?

Yeah.

Have you guys been following your

respective camps?

Bucks camp?

Bears camp has been up and down like crazy.

Yeah, does Ben Johnson like the team?

I think he's coaching them very hard, and that's actually good because they need to be coached hard.

Yeah, there's been a lot of talk.

Obviously, Caleb Williams had a tough start to camp.

I think today was a little better.

Luther Burden got kicked out of, not practice, but like basically like you're not doing any more reps because it wasn't lining up correctly.

I think that's all good.

You need to coach them hard.

Yeah.

And there's been talk about him overflowing them with information to start to then make it easier when

just putting John Taffering.

He's John Taffering.

Okay.

Yeah, that's all I'm going to go with.

I also am just taking the

similar to the six out of 10 excitement.

It's just whenever they start playing, if they start winning, then I'll start believing.

I'm not going to go crazy about the camp.

I'm being very mature about it.

That's good.

Yeah.

I have to be mature.

But also, you're excited to have a coach like this.

You remember the episode of Seinfeld where George did the opposite?

Ben Johnson's like, what would Mark Tressman do?

Correct.

And then he does the complete opposite.

Having a competent coach who feels like he's building culture is a big plus in my eyes.

And I also think that you see a bunch of camps and you're, and we talked to, I think we have, we talked to Von Miller about it today, who will come out maybe next week.

Like all the media stuff at camp means nothing.

Right.

It's just, there's nothing.

He said there's nothing to talk about, so they have to find something to talk about.

Best shape of his life.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Like, oh, this guy's popping.

Yeah.

Although I did see a National Gentie highlight and he looked awesome.

I would like to be the first to say it on a national sports podcast.

I think the commander's rookie running back, Jakori Krosky-Merritt, he goes by the name Bill, which is pretty cool.

Nothing, his name is Bill.

He's just like, just call me Bill.

Bill is going to be fucking awesome.

Six-round pick, I think, this year.

He didn't play because of his technicality last year.

With the number, yeah.

He is smooth as fuck.

Yeah, he like gave his number to a teammate to wear during a game, and then he lost one of the years when he transferred, and it was like a big NCAA thing.

So I don't really, I don't understand what happened, but he's a good teammate, hung out with his team for the whole year, practiced with his team, trained with his team.

That dude is going to be good.

Adam Peters did tell me like he might be the guy.

Yeah.

So big, I'm Jerry O'Connell.

I know you're listening.

Don't draft him, but pick him up off the waiver wire.

Jerry, we're in big time.

Jerry sending us tweets about who he's going to draft season.

Yes.

Like the rest of the league doesn't know who he is.

Yeah.

Also, one more thing with Jaden.

The best part about meeting Jaden, besides his infectious smile on the dap, was he just only wanted to talk about the fact that it was Sam Hartman's birthday.

Yeah.

He just loves Sam Hartman.

He just loves his quarterback room.

And he gets people like, it's Sam's birthday today.

Hey guys, did you know it's Sam's birthday?

Yeah.

So shout out Sam Hartman.

Happy birthday.

And Sam Hartman is just as attractive in person.

Yeah, not really that fair.

I think I actually said that to him.

I was like,

is it weird every now and then waking up and having like the entire America TikTok, everything being like, this guy's the hottest guy ever?

Because it does feel like once a month the internet re-finds out about Sam Hartman.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's...

That's not that weird for him.

It's probably just awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, today's a Sam Hartman Day where some girl made a TikTok and it has 7 billion views being like, check out this hot guy on the Commanders.

3 million likes.

Look at this man's hair.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Other, any other football stuff?

Pat's going to light it up.

Drake May's lighting it up.

Yeah.

All good things.

How's he?

We're going to Eagles Camp tomorrow, but Max, have you seen any stories from Eagles Camp?

Jordan Davis, Best Shape of His Life.

Okay, good.

Anything from Bucks Camp?

Biggie Mayfield's fired up about Amika, the wide receiver from Ohio State.

Yeah, you're missing a big thing from Bucks Camp.

That rookie that that they're just not letting play.

Oh, the fat boy from Florida.

I love that guy.

Yeah.

It's kind of mean what they're doing.

They're just making him walk.

He's just walking back and forth.

He just has a weighted vest and walking around.

I want to know what the number is that he has to get to.

I'm rooting for the guy.

I am too.

I mean, if anything, you can point at Florida and be like, Florida did a bad job not getting him ready to play in the NFL.

Yeah, I think you guys should do that to me.

Just make you walk.

Like, I'm not allowed to do anything.

It also is crazy.

He does have early onset flipping.

He's such a large human being that he's wearing a weighted vest, and it doesn't look like a weighted vest.

Yeah.

It looks like he's wearing like a practice bib.

Yeah, like the heart monitor that goes across his chest.

But yeah, I'm ruined for the guy.

I hope he gets out there.

Also, Josh Allen took off his hat to shake the hands of veterans.

He's the best.

Respectful.

And then

he walked away from the autograph line and he saw there was a girl over there crying because she didn't get an autograph.

So he ran back and then he proceeded to sign for like another five minutes.

Okay.

So good guy, Josh.

That's his work in the community that we talk so much about.

Big time community work.

Also, Shador Sanders lit it up.

Yeah.

He went nine for nine today.

Yep.

Pads on.

Ball's not touching the ground.

Yeah.

Hey, what's going on in Jets Camp?

Eric Lynch changing the culture.

Oh, nice.

All right.

So, hey, as a change of culture guy to a change of culture guy, it's good, right?

It's good.

It feels good.

All the players are shitting on Bob, but it is what it is.

They're shitting on who?

Bob Salaw.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, like

that seems a little bit

calling him Bob now.

No,

yeah, it's Bob.

It's Bob now.

Okay.

How fired up was Brick for Madden Day?

Brick showed up to practice on Madden Day.

He was wearing all white.

He's bricked out.

He had his watch going.

He's always bricked out.

They just got to give him the keys to the castle.

Wait, was he wearing a brick watch?

No, but he was.

We need to get him one.

We need to get him one.

Oh, Chargers Camp, anything?

I like this.

Around the camps.

Because it is funny.

You see, obviously, your algorithm sees the team that you root for, and you just, it's like, oh, man, there's a lot going on.

And then I got to remind myself that's just what I'm seeing.

Everyone's, every team is doing the exact same thing where fans are infighting about how the quarterback looks, how the coach, all this stuff.

Big thing.

Quentin Johnston, surprisingly, really bad drop the other day.

Oh.

Yeah, so I asked for news.

That's not news.

Oh, he was asking for a really good catch would be news.

Well, he he was looking good for a few days, and then everyone was like, oh, Quentin Johnson, he's changing for the better, changing for the better.

And now everyone hates Quentin Johnson again.

It is so funny how much we like just hone in on practice.

It's literally the headline there is Quentin Johnson dropped the ball in practice.

Yep.

But it's a big fucking thing.

But that disappointed Shane because there were a couple days where he didn't hear about that.

Yeah.

And now it's...

Now it's all over.

I had to

remind myself and kind of in touch grass because I read a tweet that was like, bears don't convert fourth fourth and 15.

And I was like, but it's practice.

Yeah.

No,

I got bummed out when they did the two-minute drill at the end.

The defense won, but then I can just be like, the defense is so much better than it was last year.

Defense looks good.

Okay.

Also, we got maybe more on the Christian Wilkins story that he, the, the report now is that he kissed a player's head, the top of their head.

My question was, which head?

Yes.

You need to clarify that.

We also heard it might be something else besides that.

Okay.

And then they had one of their players, I forget who it was.

We can look this up, but somebody addressed the media and said, if you know somebody that's going through something, talk to somebody.

Yeah.

Which was kind of a weird addendum to it.

I don't know what's going on, but it does.

I'm going to go back to the first report.

It was weird.

Yeah.

Whatever it was was weird.

It was weird.

Okay.

I had two quick baseball stories.

Obviously, RIP Ryan Sandberg passed away on Monday night.

He was sick with cancer.

Fuck cancer.

I was lucky enough to meet him like 10 years ago.

He's one of those guys, I know we make the joke, but Hall of Fame player, obviously, but also Hall of Fame guy, nicest guy ever.

And so that was sad.

It was, it had, there had been like, not rumors, but like a lot of people were kind of eulogizing him

on the broadcast last few weeks, which I think is good because you should talk about that, like the people you love.

So that was nice, but yeah, really sad.

Fuck cancer.

I think he was the first baseball player that I loved.

Yeah.

Like that I really liked to watch because I remember I had a Ryan Sandberg glove when I was like five years old.

I used to watch my WGN.

He's a ball player.

Great defensive.

He's a definition of a ball player.

So many times he'd be up and I would remember hearing Harry Carey say, like, that's a great piece of hitting.

Did you see?

So Ravel, we've talked about it because getting a little bit better with his eulogies.

Ryan Sandberg, he does have the ticket stubs, but he debuted with the Cubs the day that Harry Carey debuted with the Cubs.

And his last game with the Cubs was Harry Carey's last last game with the Cubs.

That's wild.

Wild.

And Darren Revell showed the tickets that he has.

That's good.

Yeah.

The other story,

Bryce Harper went nose to nose with Rob Manfield.

That was going to be in my hot seat cool.

Okay.

Okay, we can save it.

Save it.

We can save it.

We can save it.

There was the other story that happened.

The scary story that happened in New York yesterday.

Yes.

The gunman broke in.

He tried to break into the NFL offices out on Park Avenue.

Hank, you remember that space quite well?

Yep.

I guess he got on the wrong elevator, got off on the wrong floor, and then started spraying, shot an off-duty cop, a security guard, and then had a note saying, like, I think I have CTE, study my brain.

Bad situation all around,

but he's dead now.

Yeah.

I don't know if the NFL is going to want to study his brain that he said that he

got injured playing football.

Seems like that would probably set a bad precedent.

Yeah.

But yeah, just pretty messed up.

Very, very messed up.

Also, Skip Bayless just doesn't know how to tweet about anything.

Did you see that?

I did not see this.

He said, Thank God the New York City shooter apparently took the wrong bank of elevators and didn't make it to the NFL floors.

He reportedly bizarrely blamed the NFL for what he believed to be his CTE suffered from playing high school football.

Four people died?

Thank God he.

How does this guy not know how to fucking just

you don't have to say anything, and then when you do say something four people died

four people in the NFL office don't their lives don't mean more than the four people who died skip Elis was like well the at least they weren't involved in sports it's crazy and I know it plays semantics but yeah did you see also Skip Balis was like I I I never I basically forgo for goo for goo for go for gone for gone for gone for go for go forgotten forgotten the uh no for go forgade Forgade.

He didn't have kids because he was too committed to the take game.

He's like, I could have had kids, but I didn't have kids because I knew that I wouldn't be able to give the takes that I'm able to give.

That's the wrong way to look at it.

Like Hank looks at golf, the 18 holes, or he has 18 children.

Your takes should be your children.

Yeah.

They'll live on long after you.

And that's true.

That's your legacy.

The good and the bad ones.

All right.

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Okay, hot seat cool throne.

Hank.

Yeah, my hot seat is me.

I just found out that the story I was going to use in my hot seat was fake.

Oh,

okay.

What was the story?

Just run with it.

My hot seat is the San Francisco Giants.

Okay.

No.

Did they hang out with the New York Giants?

No.

Because there was an AI picture going around the internet of the

AI San Francisco Giants sitting at like Italian dinner, fully dressed in uniform with the New York Giants fully dressed in uniform.

Let me rephrase that.

Was the fake story that they hung out?

Nope.

The fake story, which is fake.

This is not true.

Myself is on the hot seat.

Is that Carson Weisenhunt is making his MLB debut tonight?

Don't tell his parents.

The Giants accidentally flew Carson Ragsdale's parents to Oracle Field tonight instead.

Ragsdale was DFA'd an hour ago.

Posey is trying to find his parents in the stands to explain.

And it's fake.

It's not even close to true.

That would have been quite a story, though.

My other hot seat is Sir Anthony Dominguez.

Okay.

There you go.

Sir Anthony.

I texted him.

I texted him.

Yeah, he's on the hot seat.

You could put yourself on the hot seat.

When I did, I said that.

No, for the car incident.

I don't think that was an incident.

Okay.

Oh, it was an incident.

It went to incident level.

No.

I reminded you, I forgot about this until right now.

I said, remember when you said you're done with me forever during Chill Week?

And you said, yeah, I'm thinking that's back on.

Yeah.

Not an incident.

I was contemplating retirement, but

it passed.

Sir Anthony Dominguez, I'm assuming this is the guy who was the number one prospect.

Nope, okay.

Sir Anthony Dominguez.

This happened while can I just back up real quick?

Grit week, I think, has the best moments in terms of us, you know, the stories of us being together in the cars.

It's probably a little light on facts because

none of us are at a computer.

Like, I sat down on my computer for the first time today at 8.30 p.m.

Like, we're just not,

we're not doing, we're not really plugged in.

Normally, Hank is all over the news.

Yeah, so Hank, Hank really should get a pass here.

Thank you.

He's usually on top of all.

He doesn't get fooled by much.

It takes a lot to fool Hank.

Yeah.

Do none of you guys know this story?

No.

This happened.

This is Sir Anthony?

This happened while we were at we went to an Orioles-Blue Jays game today.

Oh, I did see this.

Double header.

In the middle of the double header, we were with two players from the Orioles.

While that was happening, Sir Anthony Dominguez got traded from the Orioles to the Blue Jays.

What?

And walked across

to the Orioles.

What?

Wrong.

From the Orioles to the Blue Jays and walked across to their locker room while we were there.

What?

That's crazy.

And we fucking missed that.

Yes.

Did anyone on the Orioles get get traded back?

A minor, a minor league.

We should have broken that story.

Yes, yes.

We would have been like the first people, literally, to know.

Correct.

He probably walked right past us.

There's a video of him walking to the Blue Jays locker room.

Oh, man.

Wow.

And by the way,

right there.

Camden Yards is awesome.

Yeah, Camden Yards is one of my favorite ballparks.

Very, very cool.

It's beautiful.

I can't believe we missed that.

Yeah.

Also, good hot seat, Hank.

Thank you.

You You crushed that story.

So, wait,

do the Giants have two Carsons?

Probably.

And imagine if they had flown the wrong one to the bottom.

Believe nothing, folks.

But

on that same note.

Okay.

This is elegant.

I'm loving this show.

And we've called it, we actually called it at like 7.45 this morning.

We're like, this is the best Hank we've, this is my favorite Hank.

Just Just a little grumpy.

I'm in a great mood.

My cool throne is love.

Celebrity love.

Oh.

Big, big, big week for celebrity couples.

Some real like mad lib couples.

Okay.

I got three of them.

All right, hit us with them.

Liam Neeson and Pam Anderson.

Love it.

I'm happy for her.

Tom Cruise and Ade Armis.

That's kind of just, that's a, that's a don't even know that one.

Pam Anderson has held the longest.

Yes, you do.

Who is that?

She is like one of the hottest women on the planet.

Show me a picture.

She looks good.

Zach, pull up a picture, please.

Pam Anderson, longest

in my life, longest

tenure is 1-1.

She'll be a baby.

She held my 1-1 status for a decade.

Yeah, she's a babe.

And Anna D'Armis, very attractive woman.

Tom Cruise, another little guy.

No, no, no.

Not Pam Anderson.

I know what Pam Anderson looks like, dude.

I just said she was my 1-1 for 10 years.

Long woman.

What is she in?

She's in a bunch.

Well, tell me something.

I want to say Wardogs.

I want to say War Dogs.

Wait, am I wrong with War Dogs?

War Dogs?

Money's in the Crumbs?

She's Miles Tell Tell Tell Tell Tell Tells.

Lives Out.

Okay.

You've never seen War Dogs?

I've seen War Dogs.

She's Miles Teller.

Money in the Crumbs.

That's.

Oh, yes, yes.

Remember, Rico pretended he came up with that saying for 10 years, and I saw War Dogs on a plane, and I was like, wait a second.

All right, Anna De Armis, I like her.

Yep.

I like her.

All right, so love is back.

And no, right now.

This is the one that's the most hated couple of all all time.

Katie Perry and Justin Trudeau.

Yeah, I love it.

Yeah, like it's great that these two people are just universally hated, and them finding each other, it's like we can just focus all our hate on them.

It's probably good because they both think that the other person is hated more than they are.

Yeah.

Even though they're both wrong.

Yeah,

they're looking for a hate shield.

Yeah.

So

it's not true because it's just day-to-day who's going to be hated more.

Yeah.

So shout out.

Was that Fidel Castro's son?

Is that who?

Trudeau.

That's the conspiracy theory.

Oh.

They do look a lot alike.

Oh.

You got a great head of hair.

Yeah.

Hasn't done blackface in like 40 years.

Yeah.

Katy Perry.

I think my favorite Katy Perry was, remember when she, when Ellen DeGeneres, there was the whole controversy of how she was like ruthlessly mean to all of her staff and Katy Perry was like, came out and defended her and was like, she's always been nice to me.

And we're like, yeah, that's the point.

You're Katy Perry.

Like, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

That was a great hot seat cool throwing.

Great job.

Thanks.

Thanks, bad.

Roller coast.

Never Never left.

Okay.

All right, my hot seat.

I hope you don't.

I hope you never leave.

Me too.

Okay, great.

Should we tell him what he actually said when he's sleeping?

No.

Okay.

All right.

That was mean, VK.

I don't.

He doesn't care.

You said absolutely nothing.

I don't want another incident.

Yeah.

My hot seat.

My hot seat is Rob Banford.

Max alluded to it earlier.

He went into the Phillies clubhouse on monday and per jeff passenger this is how the meeting went uh bryce harper was there quiet for the majority of the meeting harper sitting in a chair and holding a bat eventually grew frustrated and said if major league baseball were to propose a cap and hold firm to it players are not scared to lose 162 games Harper stood up, walked towards the middle of the room, faced Manford, and said, if you want to speak about that, you can get the fuck out of our clubhouse.

Manford sources said, responded that he was not going to get the fuck out of here, saying it was important to talk about threats to MLB's business and ways to grow the game.

Before the situation further intensified, veteran outfielder memes

tried to diffuse the tension, saying,

That is, I mean, it's your guy.

No one's memed more Cassianos memes than you.

I look at memes just like a button that I press, and then he just says, Cassianos.

Yeah.

Who said, I have more questions.

The meeting continued.

Harper Manford eventually shook hands, sources said, though Harper declined to answer phone calls from Manfred the next day.

So what Manford did was he went into the locker room and he is pitching the salary cap and he's talking to the players, which by the letter of the law in the union, I don't think he's allowed to do.

And the owners won't talk to any player reps from the MLBPA.

That all goes through like the collective, whether that's through Manford or the league office.

Then it goes out to, they won't speak to anybody from the MLBPA.

The same is true of the players and the commissioners.

So Commissioner Manford's going to there, pitching the salary salary cap right to the players circumventing the MLBPA.

And it's their job to hear from the owners and then take that to the rank and file players.

And then Harper's like, if you were to say that, get the fuck out.

Bryce Harper is right.

Bryce is right about this.

I have

my past history with Bryce Harper, and that's just as a Nationals fan.

But he's right.

He's right-ish.

What do you mean?

He can

afford to lose 162 games.

Yeah, I'm speaking just in general about Manfred talking to the players away from the Easy.

That's what he's right about.

That's what he's right about.

And you're right.

He can afford.

The guys at the top can afford to lose 162 games.

The guys at the bottom probably do not probably.

So it's easy for him to say, yeah, we're going to, let's draw a line in the sand and we'll just all sit out and go hang out with our families and count our money.

Right.

That's easy for him.

Right, right.

But I respect the fact that he was just sitting there holding a bat being like, get the fuck out of my clubhouse.

That's so awesome.

uh all right your cool throne uh my cool throne is training camp fights kansas city had a training camp fight so i just like that because then andy reed gets a chance to get in front of the reporters and probably say something like the guys are just sick at sick of hitting each other they want to hit somebody else yeah that's that's my sign that football is officially they're ready yeah they're ready to play someone else yeah that's why i i've said that about wars and aliens like i think Planet Earth could use a good alien invasion because we're sick of beating each other up.

Not the ones that's coming in the football.

No, No, fuck that.

It would unite us.

We're sick of hitting each other.

We want to take out what if they say we're going to have to pause football to fight the aliens?

Or if it's like

all the stars.

I can't afford to do that.

I can't afford to lose football for a week.

Actually, it's probably the other way.

It would be,

we can't afford to have another football season.

We can't afford to go

to 18 games.

No, no.

Cannot.

I will never financially recover from that.

I cannot.

All right.

My hot seats, I have two.

The first is Emmanuel Clase because he is under investigation for betting.

This is just a Guardians thing, huh?

Yeah.

I don't really understand it.

Did you hear about this?

Shohei Otani wants to play for the Guardians.

You see this?

Ooh.

You hear about that?

Ooh.

Hear that one?

Is that true?

No, Ipe.

Ipe should be the all-time

translator for the Guardians.

That would be very funny.

Yeah.

But I saw some of the clips of him pitching, and it's like complete speculation what they're looking into right now.

But the speculation is his his first pitches were laughably, comically, hilariously bad.

Yeah, and

it's tough for the Guardians because I think he was definitely like a piece that could have been traded and they could have gotten a lot back for him because the Guardians are kind of in that middle ground where they're not really, they're just, they're probably not going to make the wild card.

And trading a closer of his caliber would get you a lot back.

Now, what do you do?

I don't know.

Still trade for him?

There might be some teams.

If he promises he didn't do it.

Yeah.

Promise you won't gamble anymore.

Promise you you didn't do it, and then

we'll make sure that you can play for us.

All right, my other hot seat is Bryson, because there was a clip.

Bryson's clips.

My theory with Bryson DeChambeau is that,

and it's not some novel theory, but obviously he was not liked.

He hired a really good PR team.

He did YouTube Golf, which is YouTube Golf Channel is awesome.

He kind of got everyone back on his side.

He made peace with the Fire Ants.

Made peace with the Fire Ants.

And then he was like, I can do this on my my own.

And then stop paying his high-level PR team.

And now we're getting Bryson kind of back because there was a clip that went out of him yelling at a fan saying, was it, I love the banter, I love the banter, but you can't say miss it.

I think that was like a rep for Live.

Okay.

I don't think that was at like.

But you can say miss it.

You're allowed to say miss it.

I mean, if we learn anything from the Brooksy fiasco,

if Bryson tells people to stop saying something, that generally works.

They generally listen, right?

Yeah.

And they won't just say that all the time every time he takes a shot.

Definitely.

You can say miss it.

Don't you agree?

Yes.

You can say miss it.

You can.

So it sounds like you don't.

I don't think he was.

He wasn't saying that to a fan.

I think he was saying that to like, you know, he was made a comment towards like a rep of the league or whatever, and it got caught.

So when the reps of the league were saying, why was he saying it to the rep?

Because he was mad.

He missed it, probably.

Was he mad at a fan or whatever?

I don't disagree with you.

Other people can say miss it,

yeah.

Okay, yeah, you agree that he's maybe stopped paying the PR firm, yeah, because it does feel like

when Bryson is in his natural element, or like when he can, you know, can control his YouTube channel and stuff, his videos are great, they are very watchful.

But I think, yeah, when you see his natural personality, it's still like a little bit, you know, he's just a perfectionist, like he's a super, super like OCD perfectionist, like you are.

No, you're a perfectionist for sure, not quite.

You aim for perfection,

No.

You're a big-time perfectionist.

All right.

My cool throne is Luca is skinny.

Yeah, he looks great.

He looks awesome.

So credit to Nico?

Credit to Nico.

Credit to Nico.

Geez of the year.

Yeah.

So he's on the cover of men's fitness right now.

So he went from being traded because he was too fat to play sports to being the epitome of male fitness.

Good for him.

Good for him.

Also, still kind of crazy it took that long to get in shape, but we all take take our different journeys.

We need wake-up calls.

I just don't understand how you can play that much basketball and be fat.

It takes some hard work.

It takes a lot of hard work.

It takes a lot of hard work.

He was committed to it.

Do you think it was easy for him to lose the weight?

And he's like, damn, I should have probably done this.

I think he probably just started smoking.

What if he just skipped lunch and he just lost all the weight?

He hired a professional chef, like an in-house chef.

Yeah.

So

he credited his new body to a gluten-free diet.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Is that going to affect him on the court?

I don't know.

He looks great.

Looks like he's in fantastic shape.

I would also like to add that we today with the seafood, a lot of that seafood is gluten-free.

We could also be on our way to looking like Luka.

Yeah, true.

I have tomorrow morning crackers.

So much gluten-free.

That's a little bit of gluten, but

some of like fried shrimp.

Shrimp gluten-free.

The fried, not so much.

What about the ice cream?

Ice cream gluten-free.

My parents just brought a million hoagies for us.

Yeah.

Are they gluten-free?

They're not.

Okay.

All right, so we're so excited for one of them.

We can still get there.

Okay.

All right.

My other cool throne is Maxion because this guy went viral for defending Maxion honor on a YouTube comment.

This is from TKing701.

He said, congrats on your five-star recruits in $100 million facilities, SEC fans.

Meanwhile, the Mac is out here playing real football in front of 14 people in a raccoon on Tuesday night during a blizzard.

You ever seen a punter throw a touchdown to a long snapper while the scoreboard's on fire?

Didn't think so.

While you're all busy arguing over which frat-funded dynasty is slightly less fraudulent, Toledo's cooking up a triple-reverse flea flicker in a game that ends 43-42.

I remember that game.

After six missed PATs and a goal post gets stolen.

That's not football.

That's MACTION.

You wouldn't survive one quarter in Ypsilanti.

It's a great point.

I love this guy.

It's a great point.

I need more from him.

I like the party.

I like the part about you guys spend all your time arguing with each other over which team is less fraudulent.

That's what college sports is.

That's why we love that game.

You wouldn't survive one quarter in Ypsilanti.

That's a fact.

Okay.

Hot seat Coulteron.

This is a big one.

So my hot seat today is there was another CEO-based rug pool that happened here recently.

Okay.

So there's an esports organization and collective FaZe Banks.

He's the current CEO of FaZe Clan.

And so what had happened was

there's a rug pool here.

MLG is a meme coin.

So they pumped the meme coin

earlier in the year.

FaZe Banks was on Aiden Ross's stream with a few of his crypto-based gentlemen.

He pulled us.

And

a couple of his crypto-based gentlemen.

And

it's strictly about the meme coin, strictly about the meme coin.

It is a meme coin hot seat.

Yes.

And so they introduced it to the audience, audience brought in to the community, yes.

They introduced the community.

They introduced the project to the community.

This has utility.

This will be great for everyone.

We should check this out.

And there's no way to say for sure if he did do it or did not do it.

Oh, he specifically said he made a statement that he didn't.

He did.

That's the tricky part.

It's like two words against each other right now and it's like if you didn't do it you hate to see that because it's such a stain on your reputation to say oh you you you basically robbed all these people blind i have a question and if so yes has there ever been a meme coin that was launched that wasn't a rug pull

that's a great question probably not all right yeah that's solid could you tell us doge dogecoin i still do hold a significant part of my investments are tied up in doge right now long-term doge waiting for the moon i like that okay so what's the coin at right now is it like done i know the coin is tanked sir all right what does this have to do with uh who do you want to be the new phase ceo uh they they introduced uh phase rugged as a new ceo of phase clan temporary ceo as uh phase banks has stepped down phase banks stepped down he did step down he said step away from the internet stepping away from uh his oh this is a big big story uh his role of ceo and i just want to say everybody be careful uh maybe don't mess with meme coins okay maybe it's not a good territory so he's in the hot seat because if he did it not cool if he didn't do it that's super unfortunate for people to say okay what would you do differently if you were a ceo of FaZe?

I just probably wouldn't get in the meme coin game.

Yeah.

And what does FaZe do?

Collective entertainment organization.

And what do they do?

All sorts of things.

So they'll do like

lots of YouTube videos, product as well.

So

what are the YouTube videos about?

I assume one the other day, somebody bought their mother a car.

That was a beautiful thing.

Who are their biggest guys?

Some of the biggest guys include a former CEO.

Well, he's not stepped down.

Yeah, he does a a lot of lifestyle stuff.

So you know, just like, well, he's not a gaming, but he's not there.

What's their core business?

And then Rugg, the second CEO, he does a lot of lifestyle stuff as well.

Okay, what's their core business?

A little bit family-friendly.

How'd they get famous?

They've got a spin.

The internet would be the core there.

They do have some side hustles they get into that is like

gaming related.

I actually kind of, I think I'm going to lift my ban on you talking about gaming just because every time you talk about it, like this, an an account with like five million followers tweets like shout out Zach from pardon my tape.

I don't know if FaZe is going to be doing that one tomorrow.

We're back.

Lifestyle.

They're a lifestyle.

Aiden might say something nice about you.

He seems like a straight shooter.

I just want to say rug pulls aren't cool.

I hope he didn't do it.

It's sorry to see people lose money.

And you're right that this did have to do with gaming.

I didn't think of that data because I was trying to focus more on the meme point.

I think that's on me.

Have you been rug pulled?

I'm not good enough with.

I'm not even good enough with a savings I felt bad, by the way.

The way you said that, I felt, that felt a little personal.

No, I did get God on like a NFT situation.

Oh, were you a top shot guy?

Not a top shot guy.

What was the NFT situation?

I don't even remember

what it was called, but it sounded so good on Twitter.

And I was like, well, maybe.

I lost like five horses.

It was worse.

It was like a doodle of a just like a dude.

For a while, we got paid in.

I think it's called Doodle Bros.

I was like, I can get in on this.

Lost everything?

Sounds pretty good.

Yeah, I think it's worth maybe like 60 cents now.

Okay.

Hold on to that.

You want a Marcus Smart top shot?

I got one for you.

You don't want that.

I'll trade you the Doodle Bro for the Marcus Smart.

Yeah, what about

Alex Caruso Chase Down Block top shot?

That actually might have gone out.

Yeah, I should check it.

Yeah.

I'm hoping to some trades.

I can check it out.

Okay.

Let's get it.

All right, your cool turn?

My cool throne was

Lucas' body because he is looking hot now.

I'm sorry for sick.

So that's on me.

I should have come with multiple cool thrones.

I would like to give up.

Well, you did none.

No, I had a cool throne.

That's not true.

Yeah, it's not true.

I had a cool throne.

I had three of them.

I would like to say my so my

cool throne would be Max's lovely parents coming and bringing treats for everybody today.

I think that was awesome.

That was an all-time

lovely parents, Max.

Max's mom enjoys us riling Max up.

She was like, I belly laugh in the car.

So

he's used that sometimes against us, being like, my mom's not going to like this.

She loves it.

She also said there's things that she doesn't like.

Was it, oh, the girl?

The girl conversation?

No, she said that was fun.

That was funny.

Yeah.

Oh, she did.

Yeah, she said, I believe the direct quote was: I was listening to the girl conversation in the car from Monday's part of my take, and I was belly laughing.

Yeah, as loud as she was.

Give a truce to the girl conversation.

That's true, because

you thought the sleep talking.

You thought the sleep felt like a month ago.

Sleep talking almost broke up this podcast.

We just sat at Ravens' facility

yelling about Max.

Well, Big Cat started being a pedophile.

Every employee of the Ravens agreed with us

would come up to our area, and the first thing Big Cat would do was ask them a loaded question to be like, This guy's a pedophile.

And

it was people that I don't know, and it was without context.

And it was like, Max is a pedophile, which is literally the worst thing that you could possibly say about another.

Like, it's worse to be called a pedophile than a murderer.

Like, pedophile is by far the worst thing that you could say.

And it was because I said, I like girls, which is like such a common,

which is such a common thing.

And everyone on the internet just kept on coming up with responses that I should have had.

And I am bad.

Do you have to unload them real quick?

Gilmore Girls.

Wait, no, Golden Girls.

Yeah.

Golden Girls.

Girls about a Rachel was the first one.

No, that's also incorrect.

Rory Gilmore was definitely

about the mom.

And it's about the both of them.

Okay.

It's about

girlfriend show.

Yep.

Girlfriend.

Go ahead.

Girlfriend is good.

Yeah.

We said girlfriend though.

Yeah.

Yep.

You guys said girlfriend.

Saturdays are for the boys.

Girl and girl.

That was a bad one.

That was girl.

Yep.

You guys said that one.

My favorite look, because I was guilty as charged.

I was asking very loaded questions was when Max almost, I think he kind of stormed off because I asked Mike, who you heard earlier in the show, who was

a former NYPD detective, I said, if you got a call to the station, they said there's a missing girl,

what would you be looking for?

He's like, someone under 18.

I was like, there you go.

Max, this is fucking bullshit.

It's a load of question.

He's been pretty upset.

We did call a truce.

Yeah, we got it.

You had to calm down, dude.

Yeah.

But yeah, that was Monday.

That feels like 10 years ago.

The podcast almost broke up over that.

Just one point of data.

I did look up Age of Consent in Italy.

That's 14 years old.

So there you go, Max.

I have a problem where it came from.

I have a question for the two of you.

I have a question for you.

Okay, can I ask first?

Yeah.

I want to talk about the two fights that happened this weekend.

One person got accused of pedophilia to random strangers for three hours, and the other person

was lied to.

Who got more angry between the two of us?

Yeah, Hank.

Hey, it was Hank.

Hank was way angrier.

Can you answer my question now?

Oh, yeah.

You didn't ask it yet.

I was trying to think of what you asked me.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

What's your favorite age of a girl?

See, you've been trying.

We'll answer.

He will not answer that question.

I will not answer that question.

He will not answer that question.

I don't think there's a good answer.

Damning.

Damning.

Very damning.

Very damning.

All right.

Well, perfect segue because we're going to do Mount Rushmore.

So let's do it.

Mount Rushmore of

TV moms.

And Max, don't take 16 pregnant.

Yep.

Don't take.

You said that joke.

Don't take the the chick from Juno.

You've already said this joke.

I said it to Max one time.

All right.

For clarification on the graphic, I think it should be the name of the mom and then parentheses TV show.

Does that make sense?

Yes.

Yeah.

Not the actress.

So it's name of the mom, then the TV show.

I just want to say I have complete and total confidence in my boy Hank.

We started Notes App and Hank just said, I got the ball.

And then he loaded up some terrible, terrible names to the list just to make me sweat, I hope.

think it was just him being like a

faceless terrorist creating this list but Hank you got this I have faith in you your first Hank oh memes do you have anything you want to say to oh he's second or third

to Hank now that it's 20 what is it 23 22 21 so they they've won back-to-back Mount Rushmores anything you want to say keep that same energy great job Hank oh okay that's the same energy

same energy thank you what no when you went after Zach no Zach was

actually quit so early.

I would just, I would just like main conversation in the booth.

Okay.

We actually stayed strong and stayed true to ourselves.

Thanks, not after you had a whole tizzy and you're like, I want Mount Rushmore to end.

I fucking hate this.

I just wanted football to be back.

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

That's true.

It is back Thursday.

Yeah.

Thank God.

Me and I are going to suck at this Mount Rushmore by the way.

What's the you guys have second pick?

First.

You guys have first.

You guys have second.

I'm not happy about it.

Yeah, because we went second last time.

Okay.

Okay.

I don't know.

We've been doing this for nine years and we still don't know how to do it.

Yeah, we went first last time.

Game seven.

I'm putting my hand up.

I still don't, like, I say it to Zach every time.

I'm like, what pick do we have?

Yeah.

When we go in a very specific order every time.

All right.

Thank you, Service Deuteronomy.

Screenshot my email can I take a photo of this on?

Yes.

All right, but don't show them.

RT's got his meta glasses.

I'm gonna go mettle.

We're gonna do it behind the scenes.

He's got his meta glasses on.

So be careful.

How are you feeling about Mount Rushbushes?

I feel actually really strong about this.

Okay, great.

Our friendship is as strong as ever.

All right, so say the name of the character and then say the show, obviously.

We're not going to be good.

So it's just TV moms.

TV moms.

Yeah.

TV moms.

Best TV moms.

Just TV moms.

Oh my God.

I think I said best.

I just saw him stalling.

Yeah, TV moms.

No, let's just rip it.

Best is redundant.

It's ridiculous.

Rip Rushmore.

Rip it.

Just rip it.

Just rip it.

We're going to play it safe.

Okay.

No, rip it.

Rippy Taylor, Friday Night Lights.

Okay, good pick.

Good pick.

That wasn't ripping it.

I want you to rip it.

We were bouncing through four.

Yeah,

we got a couple.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

We're going to go with Marge Simpson for The Simpsons.

Great.

Great pick.

Okay.

We're going to go with, I think we go two and six.

Keep it in the middle.

Stay strong.

Two, six, two.

What do you think about...

What do you think about four?

Just as an idea.

Okay.

If you'd like to do that, we can.

I just

do you think is two, four cool?

I think four is strong.

All right, go, let's do it.

You say them both.

Let's go.

You rip to our rip four.

All right.

Uh, we're gonna, we were gonna go uh, Lois Griffin.

Uh, we actually liked her more than Marge, but one or one or the other.

It was if you guys took Lois, we're gonna take Marge.

If we took, it was gonna basically be that fair.

Love Lois Griffin, great pink.

All right, we would never see her.

She's hotter.

She is hotter.

She's how would Marge puts her hair down, though?

No, but we said, Peter,

oh, Pete.

Yeah, there's something hot about that.

There's something hot about that.

We would also like to take Aunt Becky from Fool House.

Yes.

Lori Laughlin.

Yes.

Good pick.

Yes.

What's her name?

Aunt Becky.

Okay.

What season did she become?

She was a mom at the end.

She had twins.

Twin boys.

Twin boys.

Late mom.

Yeah, yeah.

But her name is.

Aunt Becky.

Yeah, for sure.

Okay.

But she's a mom.

Yeah.

Hot mom, too.

She is hot mom.

And dangerous.

She is hot.

She went

to her.

And a great mother in real life.

But bad tasting men.

That's a bad baby.

John Stanley.

Yeah, John Stanley.

That's definitely not a mom.

That's really

barely a mom, but that's fine.

John Stanley.

I mean, talk about

her.

Stay away.

You're taking away her children?

Whoa.

What are you, ice?

No, she was not Cardinal.

What are you, fucking ice?

When I think of Aunt Becky, I think of her.

Okay.

All right.

Well, I mean, she was very motherly in the whole show.

It's a good pick.

Okay.

Speaking of moms that are kind of not really moms, but we're going to go with the mother of dragons.

Daenerys Targaryen.

Great pick.

Great pick, Hank.

That is a good pick.

Great pick.

Awesome.

That actually, when Meme says that, I've noticed something about him.

He doesn't think it's a good pick.

No, I think it's a good pick.

That just means we have our picks on.

No, we had that on our list.

No, but there's two.

There's two.

She doesn't have any children.

Dragons.

Yeah.

You can get you.

You can rip.

I think she raised themselves.

She literally came out of the fire.

We have two.

She limped with eggs and came out with children.

She's not the stepmom.

She also, she also had

whatever.

Actually, no.

You go.

You go.

No, Hank.

You You guys go.

Hold on, hold on.

Hank's cooking.

Hank's cooking.

Shit of whatever?

Yeah, he's right.

Go on.

What's the

curbage I'm thinking of?

C-section?

She was pregnant and the baby died.

Miscarriage.

Oh.

Miscarriage.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

She's a great one.

I didn't want to say it.

I just didn't want to.

I didn't went down that road.

Yeah.

Will you guys be going?

You have two picks.

We are going to go with

Gloria for Modern Family.

Okay.

All right.

Sophia Verdara.

Okay.

And then your next pick?

We're panicking.

I feel like that was just a boobs pick.

Was that a boobs pick?

That was a boobs straight pick.

That was a straight boob.

She's a player.

She's a bad boy.

That was a phenomenal mom.

That was a straight boobs pick.

You think?

I don't know.

I've never seen the show.

I haven't seen it completely.

They spoiled it.

Come on.

Should we rip it?

Yeah,

Carmella Soprano.

We don't know.

No.

I mean, she great acting.

Yeah.

No.

We knew that.

We knew that.

We knew that.

We panicked.

We panicked.

She just won't let Tony live.

My favorite scene, I've been re-watching the whole Sopranos,

when they separate and Tony's like moving out and he somberly goes into the house to pack up all his stuff.

But the only thing he packs, he goes to the fridge and he gets the cold cuts out.

He tells the kids that he's leaving.

He puts the cold cuts in his bag and then heads out.

So, yeah.

I think that's a good third-round ball.

His third-round pick.

Okay.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think that was missed.

It's okay.

Okay.

Soprano, just the name works on a graphic.

Well, that's just pan.

That's that's come on.

What are we doing then?

What are we doing Mike Rushmore for if we're just doing it for the graphic?

I feel like all Max does.

That's all he's ever done.

That's the only reason he's good at this game.

That's crazy what you just said.

He's calling you a graphic.

He said that he saw it.

You're a graphic merchant.

Chuck Coffee.

That's what you're doing.

They spoiled it.

I think when you compare her to Livia Soprano, she's a great TV mom.

All right.

We are going to go with not the best mother, but a great TV mother, Lucille Booth.

Bluth.

Great pick, Hank.

Yeah.

Great pressure.

That old C-word.

Motherboy.

That's a show I have seen.

Motherboy.

Okay.

Can we be strong here?

What do you think?

Let's be strong.

That's what I say when I'm not so strong.

Jack to fucking.

Let's fucking be strong.

All right?

I think it's you got to stay in the middle with six.

Yes.

And then you either go seven or five.

I think maybe seven.

Seven or five.

Yeah.

I like them both.

Seven or five.

Yeah.

I think we go six, seven.

I think I would.

Okay,

we can go six, seven.

Very much not being graphic merchants because she is, I would say the best mother in all of these picks, mother-wise in terms of the sitcom, it's Claire Huxtable on The Cosby Show.

She's a quintessential mother.

All right.

You big fan of the show?

I'm a fan of Claire Huxable.

Again,

we're not being merchants for the graphic.

Yeah, no, I thought about doing...

See, you guys fucked me.

I thought about this, but you would have said I was a pedophile if I said that.

No, no, no, no.

Bill Cosby.

Yes, you would have.

You would have followed.

I have multiple picks on here that I didn't say because you would have said I was a pedophile.

You agree, she's a great mother.

How many pedophiles did you think about when you're making this list?

i thought about you guys calling me a pedophile and this guy's a pedophile because he likes bill cosby no wait yeah weren't they of age the the max is making some good points i don't know i don't think that's what he went to jail for all right so you're pro-rape no i'm not i'm definitely not definitely not i didn't pick bill cosby bro I didn't pick Bill Cosby.

You picked his wife.

Probably knew all about it.

His wife, his fictional wife.

How does it feel?

It feels fine because I'm not panicking like you.

You want me to panic like you?

Well, you would have used it.

You said

it.

Well, you also brought it up like 50 times.

Well, no, that's not true.

It was like 100.

All right.

All right.

And then our last one, we're going to pick the better mom from the show they just picked, Claire Dumphy from Modern Family.

Yeah.

She's, I mean, she's the best.

Just died in Happy Gilmore.

Yeah.

And she also is like...

Spoiled.

Listen, I love Sophia Vergara, but like

in our dumb male brains, we're like, that's she's insane.

Claire Dumpty's like, oh, you could, I could maybe date her.

Yeah.

Even though I can't, but you know, and you're maybe, yeah, you're like, and she's so cool and fun down to earth.

Yeah.

Like, she'd go for a guy like me, probably.

Yeah, right.

Like, she's got an idiot husband.

I got a bad thing.

This is a terrible take, but continue.

What are you talking about?

This makes her a better mom.

Sophia Vergara.

I understand what, but mom.

We're not talking.

Yeah.

We're not talking sex symbols, dude.

Oh, wait, yeah.

Never mind.

I'm not going to get mad.

I'm not going to mad.

Go on.

How are you getting?

I'm not going to get mad.

It's our last pick.

Yeah.

We are going to go with Kitty from that 70s show.

Okay.

Good pick, Hank.

Another one that I was.

I thought I was going to get back.

Jesus Christ.

You have, you're seeing what?

Because of who?

Danny Masterson?

You got.

Yeah.

She wasn't his mom.

It was his mom.

But there.

Ashley knew.

But she knew.

There was shit going on during that show.

Not well.

we're not talking about the action.

That's what it's wrong.

It was the Ash and Kutcher shit was going on during that show.

You realize we're picking characters?

I know.

You guys fucked me up.

You guys fucking called me a profile for three days, and I didn't want it to happen again.

It was only after Kitty got out of the picture that all those kids went astray.

She was a great mom.

Also,

she wasn't able to.

You have to separate the art from the artists a little bit.

At least the Bill Cosby one.

It's like that's his direct wife.

Yeah.

You can make that joke.

But it's also.

that her, and these are again fictional characters we're talking about.

We're not picking the actresses, we're picking the fictional characters.

You guys have made bigger stretches before for sure.

I got a question for you guys.

Is that a good picture?

How many uh

how many, hey, Max, wait, how many multiple.

How many people, how many people did Tony Soprano kill?

I didn't watch a show

a lot of murders.

I would a lot of murders.

I'm just

so happy for you.

How many times did Carmella look the other way?

Yeah.

Because she got a nice, fancy new ring.

Yeah.

How many times, Max?

I'm welcoming you.

She emotionally cheated on Tony with the priest.

Bad.

And with Furio.

Furio.

Homophobia?

She almost got Furio murdered.

I don't care about this.

Just stacking them up.

And she let Tony.

Did she actually bang Furio?

No, just emotionally.

Emotionally.

She did also.

She let Tony talk to her daughter's boyfriend.

That's what I'm saying.

Racism, very racist.

Racism,

with the pull, pull the list back up.

I think our list sucks.

They fucked me.

Great job, Hank.

We're so back.

Great job by Hank.

Relax.

Relax.

Relax, but it's not his problem.

It doesn't matter.

They just

relax.

It's on me.

Okay.

So you guys, we have a good list.

We didn't pick Ant Beching.

That's on me.

You take the picture.

Amp Becking is a good pit.

It's just a problem.

That was on Sunday.

And Veb is our pick.

Which one?

The character.

Oh, we're actually playing that.

Which one?

No, the two different beats.

No, you literally just said we are talking about fictional characters.

We are taking the character of Ant Viv.

That's the answer.

It was clearly there was a clone of Ant Viv.

That is the answer.

Second one, you had to pick.

Second one.

Nope.

Second one or first one.

You literally just made this statement.

So you're into trafficking because what they did to Ant Viv 1, we don't know.

What?

And Viv 1 disappeared was far superior.

She was

an easy question.

Fine.

That's the pick.

She disappeared.

Aunt Viv is the pick.

Okay.

So you just yelled at us for picking Aunt Becky.

And then you picked an aunt.

Well, yeah, but she was.

No, that's what I said.

Yeah, but so is Aunt Becky.

His response was...

I mean, there was no mom because she died, dude.

Yeah, but rest in peace.

Rest in peace.

I think, like, Uncle Joey could have been a better pick for mom.

For mom.

What?

Okay.

Now we're

bad spots.

Bad spots.

Aunt Becky didn't replace the role of the mom.

That was bad.

Uncle Jesse and not Uncle Joey.

He wasn't ever an uncle.

That is a weird thing.

Oh, man.

You're an uncle and you're giving him a mom.

What?

He wasn't.

They replaced the role of the mom.

Aunt Becky did not replace it.

No, but you're just saying the guy that isn't even an uncle, a real uncle, he's now a mom.

What?

What?

Are you even

honorable mentions?

Max, you need to to straighten yourself out.

You guys.

We have a good list.

Only one that

there's two on our list I didn't get taken in.

I'm mad.

Estelle Costanza.

Yeah.

Great mom for Jill.

Also, Marie Barone.

Everybody loves Raymond.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Never watched that.

Peg Bundy.

Peg Bundy, we had on our list.

Great mom.

Jill Taylor, Home Improvement.

Yeah.

Great mom.

What about Roseanne?

Yeah, I was thinking about it.

She's a good mom.

She's a good mom.

Yeah.

Better.

Better mom than when she's not being a mom.

Yeah.

Linda Belcher.

Who's she?

Bob's Burgers.

Neither of us watched it, so we didn't want to pander.

But I guess she's.

She watched that show.

She's big.

She's a good mom.

We're going to make a good pick.

No one wanted to take Cersei.

Nah.

Susie from Curb probably wouldn't play, but I do love her character.

She's very funny.

I almost said Lori Gilmore at the end, just to say, fuck you guys.

She is actually a great mom.

Yeah, hot.

You could have.

I thought by taking Amazon, I watched that show.

I'd just say

she was a great mom.

One of the Gilmore girls is hot.

Yeah, the mom.

He's losing his mind.

Girls was Monday.

He's losing his mind.

This is mom's.

He's literally lost his mind.

Max, you think about taking

crazy.

You think about taking Juno?

Was Juno on your list?

You guys.

He's losing his mind.

You guys are.

Harriet Winslow.

From

the mom.

What is it?

Urkel.

Family Matters.

Family Matters.

Yeah.

The mom from

what was the

fuck, I can't even think right now.

The second aunt Viv was on my list.

Boy Meets World.

That mom was cool.

Amy Matthews.

I love Amy Matthews.

And the mom from Seventh Heaven.

I couldn't think of her name, though.

Oh, wow.

The guy.

True.

I thought it was good.

I don't remember what that one.

I don't know about that one.

Oh, my God.

What did you say?

One of the funniest.

I'm not going to.

I won't get into it.

Did you?

Did you think about taking the Duggars?

Oh, my God.

Mrs.

Duggar.

I don't know what that is.

Did you think about taking Kate from John and Kate Plus 8?

We had Cartman's mom.

Oh, the mom from Everybody Hates Chris.

Oh, yeah.

You had that list.

Oh, what about

picking names?

Jane, whatever her last name is, from Malcolm in the Middle.

Yes.

Great mom.

Great mom, Carol.

UW-Madison grad.

Oh, really?

She was like the most famous person, not an athlete.

So just hold on to that one.

Great actress.

Peggy Hill, King of the Hill.

Peggy Hill,

yeah, Carol Brady.

I don't know, there's old shows, like, who can never really watch it?

Yeah, I've watched maybe an episode of it,

yeah.

All right, we got any others

good, Mount Rushmore.

We gotta get straight in, we gotta get him out, we gotta get out of this.

We gotta get out of it.

We gotta, we gotta,

we need to get out of it.

Grit week's gone too far.

We need to go back to Chill Week.

We have a good list.

Do we?

Yes.

We'll see.

We'll see.

Okay, let's get to our interviews.

We've got John Harbaugh, Roquan Smith, and then we are going to finish with some guys on checks.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest, recurring guest.

You came up one very short on that.

Very.

Good coaching point.

Maybe that's, maybe you'll get the extra very this year.

It is Grit Week presented by Hey Dude.

It is coach John Harbaugh, recurring guest.

And we start every Grit Week interview the same.

How would you define the word grit?

Grit.

Grit is being of, I wish you'd have given me a heads up on that, but grit is, I would say grit.

You know it when you see it.

It's the ability basically to not care what happens to you.

and just keep going.

They say,

I read this this summer.

I'm going to try to to get it right.

We may have to do a couple takes on this, but they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Then I read this, and it was from World War II concentration, Holocaust type deal.

What doesn't kill me doesn't bother me.

What doesn't kill me doesn't bother me.

I like that.

Think about it.

I'm not dead.

I'm not dead.

I'm not dead.

You didn't kill me.

I'm not dead.

You can't bother me.

You can't get to me.

That's great.

I think that's the definition of grit.

I like that.

What doesn't kill me doesn't bother me.

Is there a guy that stands out as the grittiest player you've ever coached?

Hey, we had some gritty guys.

You know, you think about Ray Lewis is pretty gritty.

Ed Reed, kind of gritty.

Kelly Gregg, here's a gritty one for you.

A lot of grit.

A lot of grit in Ravens, in Ravens' world.

Danny Woodhead.

Grit.

Gritty guy.

Gritty golfer, too.

Gritty golfer.

Yeah.

Good golfer.

Yeah, he is.

Has he made it?

He hadn't made the tour yet, though, has he?

No, he told me he was going to make the tour.

He came like one stroke away from qualifying for the U.S.

Open a couple years ago.

Yeah.

So he's, yeah, he's damn good.

He's good.

Yeah.

Patrick Ricard, I would say, also pretty gritty.

Kind of gritty.

Kind of gritty.

And you got to be gritty to line up again, go against Patrick Ricard, too.

That's true.

Because that could kill you actually.

All right, so first day of pads.

We're here in Baltimore.

What does it feel like?

Do you still get that juice first day of pads where it's like you feel the energy, you feel something different?

You do.

It's a little different.

Like you walk in, the guys are always, we have an intense group of guys.

They're locked in, very intentional about everything they do.

And then just a little more locked in.

Just dial it up a couple more notches.

Guys are ready.

Football's played in pads, you know?

That's how football is played.

Flag football is not played in pads, but football, football is played in pads.

That's how we do it.

So finally, we get to practice the game.

Yeah, it's a great time of year.

I noticed you've been getting jacked recently.

I saw you on last year's Hard Knocks.

I saw a video.

You were squatting 405 pounds for reps at 62 years old.

You're up to 405 now?

405 for eight reps.

That's critical.

To be clear, I mean, a lot of people wanted to criticize the type of bar it was, but that's a squat bar.

Now, I get it, but you know, at 62, putting that bar bar on your back would be i don't know how smart that would be but that our guys use the same bar yeah i i was kind of happy with it we were going for two that was the goal to get two i mean you put 405 and i just want to get it off the rack yeah i mean getting it off the rack was but once you get some tastes like anything else once you get going yeah yeah you go didn't kill you can't pull it

do coaches get pee tested Could Goodell be like, hey, I saw that video?

They don't.

Well, yeah.

Did you think they do that at the NFL?

Do you think that they go by a big performance and they grab the guy randomly and test him?

I personally think Godil just likes pee.

I think

he just sends his guys out.

He's like, I want some of that guy's pee.

No, I think that's one of those things that you just see it.

It's like when you, it's like when you buy a car and then you notice your car everywhere.

Yeah.

So it's like you notice it because someone had a big performance and they post it.

Guys are probably getting tested all the time.

They just don't post it unless they had a big performance.

Right, right.

Yeah.

Because it does draw attention to the performance.

Now I see the point.

It's kind of a, it's kind of the way kind of the brain works.

You know, oh, make sure I want to point out I had a big performance testing.

Yeah, it works.

Now they say that you can't tell everybody if you do get the test, you have to keep that quiet.

Seriously, but you should, I mean,

I think that's a rule now.

But after you put that video out, you should have also released a letter, like a fake letter being like, look, Goodell's asking me to check my urine because he saw my squat video.

Just kind of gassed yourself up a little bit.

Like, I got the call from the main office right now.

Yeah, I like the idea.

You said, I think it was a couple weeks ago, you said, Lamar has grown in every way.

So, how much taller has he gotten he actually does look taller to me i mean it's crazy it's crazy you mentioned that because when i saw him the first day of camp maybe i'm getting shorter that happens when you maybe

so squat squats

in fact i looked at him and i was like dude you got taller you know and he just laughed because he didn't get taller but he looked taller to me but is he like i mean he's won a couple mvps he's played at this insane level for this stretch and you think he's still getting better every single like it's not plateaued in a way which would be a great plateau to be at yeah yeah mvp of the league you could live on that plateau for sure and and no he's getting better in every way uh i like to think we all do throughout the course of our life but as an athlete at some point in time you do hit that point it starts going the other direction then you try to stave it off and stay even as long as you could ray lewis used to tell me that he had to work he had to work a lot harder every year to stay the same you know, let alone get better.

But Lamar is still getting better.

He's only 28 years old.

I mean, he's got, he came into the league at really 20, 21 and has been playing a lot of football ever since.

but he's just so intentional about

everything he does as a player, about all the things that have to do with playing quarterback, but also the team.

Sometimes at some point, you start taking the team

performance accountability on your own shoulders, and I see him doing that.

Yeah.

Yeah, so he reported camp a lot skinnier last year, which I didn't even think was possible because he never looked big to me, but that was the big report.

Was like, yeah, he's lost all this weight.

How's he looking this year?

Has his body changed at all this year?

Yeah,

he looked really good.

I mean, he was a little bit heavier than he was last year in a good way.

He was wearing kind of a baggy sweatsuit.

He kind of had a hat on, looking tall.

So I gave him a hug.

And of course, when you were a coach, I mean, you do kind of like, kind of say, all right, how's he feel?

Does he feel sturdy?

You know, he feel sturdy.

And I said, oh,

okay.

You've been training.

You feel sturdy.

Yeah.

What are you looking for out of him, specifically like a change or an improvement in his game?

It's hard to nitpick because he's so good.

But at this stage, what would you like to see out of him?

Yeah, you know, I think it's the same theme that we have across the board.

And it's not because, you know,

he needs it or anybody needs it, but we are chasing intentionality.

We're chasing the idea that we want to be intentional about everything that's important.

What's important now, what's important in the moment, be intentional about it now.

Try to get good at all the things that when you get into the game, you want it to be background.

We want to understand situations in the game as background.

We don't want to have to say, hey, it's a two-minute drill.

We want to understand what's important in the two-minute drill and just apply it to the way we play.

So those things become thoughtless all the little details that are impactful to winning football we want to be able to bring those to bear in the most critical moments without even having to think about it because we've been intentional about it every single day one of my favorite things between you guys is when you argue on fourth down whether or not you should go for it there's always the camera shot and it's always you and lamar having a conversation should we go for it has he has he ever lost that argument because it seems like every time he's like let's go for it you're like okay i trust you know what's crazy he has actually said see there have been times where he said no punt believe it or not.

I don't know if he'd admit that or not, but there have been times where he said, no, no, no.

Play it the other way.

So he's thoughtful.

He's intentional about what's best in the moment.

Yeah.

Has he lost the argument?

Not really.

I saw, so obviously a lot of expectations.

You guys are good every single year.

I saw you go after, though, the comments, the Super Bowl or bus comments.

And actually kind of hurt my feelings because you're like, anyone who says Super Bowl or bus means they haven't achieved anything in their life.

Did I say that?

No, come on.

Yeah, you said

anybody that ever says something like that has never actually accomplished anything.

That feels personal.

I think you might have parsed that code a little bit.

But can you explain that to me?

Because obviously we fall into it where we're like, Super Bowl or bust.

It's a failure if you don't win a Super Bowl.

You've been doing it for so many years.

There's only one winner.

So

what were you trying to explain to people for that?

Well, I think it's a compliment.

First of all, it's a great compliment to be in that category.

Like

when you say Super Bowl or bust, you're basically saying that this team, that's how good, that's what you've, you're in that category.

You're in that category.

And that's a great compliment.

But we're not going to be weighed down by that type of a burden.

You, you understand, like when you're that, when you're that team or you're, these guys are at the highest level.

I mean, you guys, your ratings, aren't you?

Are you the best?

Yeah, we are the best.

Is anybody better than you?

Yeah, we're not Times 100 list, but we are the number one sports podcast.

You're not Times 100.

They left us off the list.

Is that bust?

No, I use it as bust.

The tennis podcast.

I don't know if you listen to tennis podcasts.

Pretty big podcast.

Yeah, it's called the tennis podcast.

Oh, that's what?

That's number one?

They beat us out.

Yeah.

You know, so does that make you guys, you're not belly up, are you?

You keep on floating.

Hungry, yeah.

Yeah, I kind of like it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it makes you even more hungry, right?

And that's how we feel, too, because it's not like we've ever gone bust.

I've seen him count us out.

I've seen him say we should be doing something.

And here we are again.

We don't disappear.

We're not gone.

We didn't go bust.

We didn't go broke.

We keep coming back.

And I think that's really the measurement is the ability to keep.

And if you do win it, when you win it, Chiefs have done a great job of this.

You got to give them credit.

They come back again the next year.

So that's the type of excellence that we're chasing.

So I got a question about that.

So, you're going into year 18 here, and which is crazy.

I mean, there's the longevity in coaching, you don't see it very often.

There's a few franchises that have had guys that long.

Is it harder every year to make sure your message gets through?

Is it like a different challenge because you've been doing it for so long, you've been around the guys for so long, you have such a great system?

It hasn't been hard for some reason.

Maybe it's maybe it's here, maybe it's me, maybe it's the guys, maybe it's a lot of things.

I think it is a lot of things.

It starts at the top.

Steve Bashati is absolutely incredible.

We got a great organization.

But basically, no, it's not hard at all because the principles remain the same.

I mean, we're chasing the things that are unarguable.

We're chasing the indisputable, the inalienable.

You know, these are things that are real things that we all understand are true if you want to be successful.

How you present it to different guys, that's, yeah, that's always changing all the time.

It should be changing.

I mean, if I'm going to come up there and give the same canned speech every year, yeah, it would get stale.

But

I'm talking to guys one-on-one.

I'm talking to them one-on-one, like a lot of times one-on-one.

I'm talking to them also one-on-one in that meeting when we're talking to, you know, 53, 69, or 90, 90 players.

It's all still a connection one-on-one.

And we're talking about the things that we all care about, which is football.

That's what we're here for.

And everything else is rooted off of that.

We're here for football.

That's the seed.

All the roots that grow out of that, that build a type of a brotherhood, that build a type of grit, toughness,

that build a type of accountability, the intentionality about becoming something.

You don't win a championship.

You become a champion.

All right.

And then you do the things when you need to do in those moments to win those games that make you a champion in reality.

And that's what we're going to try to do.

Okay, that was a good answer because I'm fired up.

So I think the message works.

Football, we're going to play it.

Yeah, for the seeds of football, it's being planned.

Growing out of that, I'm in.

So that works.

I hear you relate to that.

You probably like, yeah, farmer, you got farmer in your jeans somewhere, probably, right?

I'm just ready to get out on the land.

I heard you talking about how the best way to let the guys on the team know that you care about them is to actually care about them.

To actually like sit down and think, why do I care about this guy?

How can I help this guy?

That seems like more than a full-time job to care about 90 guys.

Yeah.

Right.

So how do you do that?

How do you do it?

Do you have like a day where you're like, I got to learn something about this guy?

I got to learn something about this guy.

That's a great question.

And I wish, it's really hard because with 90 guys, there's some guys that I kind of forget their name too sometimes because they just got here.

I'm like, dude, I wish I could remember your name, but I'm sorry I can't.

So I'll just say like, dude, or big guy.

Number.

His number.

Number.

Yeah.

He's 38.

And you do, and we do joke with him sometimes as a rookie.

You know, you got to earn your right to have a name.

You know, that's, you got to do something.

You got to make a play.

But really, what you're saying basically is that to make it about, to care, to make it about somebody else, you just, it can't be about yourself.

And that's the biggest challenge that we all have.

That's what human nature really is essentially about.

That's the fallen.

human nature aspect of the whole thing.

That's what grace is, is not making it about yourself.

So as a leader, you got to check your heart, man.

Like, what am I coming into this day?

What am I coming into this conversation?

What am I coming into into this event on my heart?

Is it about me?

And if it's about me, it's not going to work.

If you're about you, you're the stars.

But all these other guys, they're the team.

Are you making it about them and about your audience?

Are you making it about yourself?

And I think you guys understand that intuitively, right?

If you make it about them, if you check your own heart first, you got a chance.

to actually care about somebody else.

Also, if we make it like about Max or Hank and we're just giving them a lot of shit, then they're actually getting all the bad stuff, you know, like we're putting all the blame on them.

Do you ever do that as a coach where you're like, I'm just going to throw this guy under the bus, make my life easier?

Well, yeah, of course.

I mean, yeah,

that's, that's a form of showing them how much you care.

But like, listen, the truth of the matter is, if I, except if I didn't, if I didn't care enough to point this out, in other words, if you, if you, if you criticize somebody, we tell this guy's, he's got it's like, how do you, how do you handle criticism?

If I care enough to tell you what you can do better, that's a risk because you might get pissed off, you might get mad, you might pout, you might run away.

It might not be worth it to me to get on you.

Now, you guys do it in humor too, but then it's not worth it to me anymore.

It's like, well, heck heck with that guy.

He, you know, he's just going to be thin-skinned.

We all got thin skin, but if I care enough to actually put it out there, like, hey, you know what, I think you could do better at this, then that's another way of showing you care.

Yeah,

there it is.

Speaking of thin skin, not saying you have it, but when you,

no, but when you, when you have like bad playoff losses, how long does it take you to get over it?

Uh, still haven't, still haven't, still haven't.

Still haven't.

I mean, you know, I think about the Patriots in 14, you know, the,

I'm not to name the referee.

He knows, he knows who he is.

He'll be named later by you guys probably, but allowing those that, you know, that's not going to, that doesn't, I still, I joke with him about it.

It's like, dude,

when are you going to apologize to me for that?

You're talking about the linemen that were set up where it was deceiving, like where the tackles were.

Well, no, no,

that was more recent.

That bothered me too, but it wasn't a playoff game.

That was the opener last year.

No, it's when they substituted it and wasn't defined who was eligible and who wasn't eligible.

The NFL never addressed it as a rule.

It was an unfair advantage, probably unfair advantage.

That's what the rule book reads.

Should have have been not allowed, but it was, and it probably cost us that game.

No, I haven't.

I believe you.

Yeah, I believe you.

You get over it.

I forgot about that.

Yeah, I'm over that now.

I'm over that now.

I coach Belichick.

It was brilliant what he did.

I have so much respect for him.

And I told him,

I'm over it, kind of.

Yeah, yeah, never going to be over it.

It was a rule as a season from Flacco.

I feel like that was going to be another Super Bowl for him.

Yeah.

Do you, do you, I know everyone says they tune out the media, but there's got to be some stuff that trickles in.

Are you able to fully tune it out?

Or are you?

No, you don't tune it out.

I mean, it's all, it's all to say, you tune tune it out is a lie.

You know, I just try to like use it as fuel.

Yeah, you try, I try not to read the comments because that, that is toxic.

That's mad.

But all the other stuff is fuel.

Like, they're good stuff.

It's like, yeah, you kind of like, you got to be careful because, you know,

it's just they're setting you up.

They're setting you up for failure.

As soon as they pat you on the back, it's the setup for failure.

So you just take everything in a negative way and use it as fuel.

See, that's, I always, I, I, NFL coaches, I don't know how you guys do it because like I, I do get too high and too low.

I like getting too high and too low.

You guys say the same, you know, like, don't let it when they're throwing praise on you, you can't listen to it as much as when they're, you know, heaping all the trash on you.

I like to get real high, real low.

When you read those press clippings, man, you're all about it, right?

Yeah, did you make a you make yourself like a scrapbook, you know, like Bill David?

But I just, I get on the roller coaster, and I don't know, like, and it's like, I mean, when we watch games, like, if you know, if you get, if a team starts, you know, three and out, it's like, well, this game's over.

Right.

I don't know how you guys come back.

That would be a bad bad strategy yeah really bad really good do you uh this past year and then obviously this upcoming year with derrick henry do you have to remind yourself that you have derrick henry every now and then be like hey no i have to pinch myself though okay i do i like to pinch myself like i saw him in the weight room this morning you know at 545 by the way were you guys up you working out probably

yes

i was just laying and scrolling my phone right trying to get out of the form of an exercise

yeah i just like dude this guy's in here working out you know way earlier in the morning you know yeah it's incredible but but i mean you got to just remember to run him like is there moments where you're like hey what what's the play here oh we have derrick henry yeah you do i mean he got a bunch of carries and you know you got but you also got to be intentional about remembering you got a whole season in front of you and you got a lot of other good players too and it's kind of nice if they don't know who's getting the ball from play to play and it it uh and we try to do that we try to spread things out but uh yeah

you do want to make sure he gets his touches yeah uh speaking of getting high and getting low after games uh how high were you after beating your brother last year uh i was pretty happy i I was pretty happy.

It was pretty awesome.

Why are you shaking your head over there?

San Diego got the Chargers gear on everything.

Don't think I didn't notice that either, by the way.

And I do.

I root for the Chargers

all the time, except for the one game.

Crazy.

When we were coming into the stadium there at SoFi, is that what they call it?

Yeah.

SoFi or Sophie?

Sofi.

So Fi.

SoFi.

SoFi.

SoFi.

That was a really nice move, what you did.

You basically like, I don't think about my brother's stadium so much, I don't know how to pronounce it.

Yeah.

Smart.

Did you He was big brother to L out of that.

What's that little stadium?

So our buses pull up there, our first buses, and like all of a sudden it's like, we got to wait for the Chargers to come in.

It's like, what?

It's like, well, we're going to wait for the Chargers.

And I'm like, well, this is, that kind of did tick me off a little bit.

Like, we're here.

Yeah.

So we were sitting there for like five minutes.

The thing, I did find out later that the reason is when you go into SoFi Stadium, it's like a one-way street.

So like, and the, and the visiting locker room is first.

So we'd stop our buses, and they would come in behind.

They'd be stuck there behind us.

So they always let them go in first if it's close.

Apparently, at least that's what I was told.

I chose to believe it.

Yeah, little games in the world.

Sounds like you're being penalized for being early.

Yeah.

Sounds that, well, that went through my mind.

Have you thought, have you had like the imagination of playing in like an AFC championship game against your brother and maybe losing?

Because you can't let him have another one of those.

Like, or he can't have one on you where you have the Super Bowl on him.

He's got the national championship.

If he wins a Super Bowl, it could be a problem.

Like, he could be a problem.

You know that.

Obviously, you've thought about it.

I've thought all this through.

You know that.

He could be a problem if he adds a Super Bowl.

You know, my brother.

Yes.

He could be a problem.

I understand it.

I understand everything you're saying.

Okay, so you thought about it a little bit.

Yeah, of course.

You just don't go to Thanksgiving ever again or Christmas.

Well, we never have Thanksgiving or Christmas together because we're in games, but we do have, we have our moment.

We have a lot of cool stuff together.

That's one of the things, we just don't go down that road and talk about it.

It's just all understood.

You know, sometimes what's understood doesn't need to be said.

Yeah, yeah, it's smart.

What was the earliest that you hit him up after the game, or did you wait for him to text you?

What was that like?

I don't think we still talked about that since.

We've talked, but it never came up after the game.

Yeah, he was, you know, what?

Like, we'd like, we're both, we're both, we're both way more, you know, mature.

We're both in our 60s now, you know.

So, you know, he's not mature.

Come on.

Well, you know, you can pretend you guys are mature.

When's the last time you guys wrestled?

Growing up.

Like,

Spring.

So I was going to say, you better say.

We didn't wrestle in the White House.

That would be funny if you guys just.

That would have been funny.

I do have a question about the White House.

It's not a gotcha question, I promise.

So

when you were there, did Trump bring up the new kickoff rule?

No.

Okay.

No.

He talked about the quarterbacks a lot.

He wanted to talk all about the quarterbacks, quarterbacks, quarterbacks.

You get good quarterbacks.

Oh, yeah, because I know he doesn't like the kickoff rule.

And I thought that there was a chance he might have brought that up.

And then your brother would have thrown Sam Schwartzein, his former center, right under the bus for making the kickoff rule.

Sam Schwartzein.

Yeah.

He played center for Stanford for your he made the kickoff rule?

Yeah, for the extra.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah, so he ruined football.

So Jim, so it's Jim's fault.

Yeah, Jim did.

Yeah, Jim created it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your brother ruined football.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, no, sort of an, yeah, that could happen.

I see that.

It's the old pebble in the water.

Yeah.

Make the wave type of it.

The butterfly effect.

The butterfly.

I love the butterfly effect.

Do you believe in the butterfly effect?

I do, and I've used it with my team.

Talk about Joshua Chamberlain, the butterfly effect.

That's a good story about though.

You know, little Joshua Chamberlain?

I'm going to send it to you.

Okay.

Yeah, because that means what Joshua Chamberlain is.

I'm not familiar with this game.

Civil War, Gettysburg.

Okay.

The butterfly effect, I would assume.

Is something that you can use because when you watch a high-level, high-leverage playoff game, a lot of people will pick whatever the last play was.

And you don't realize there's so many plays that lead up to it that if any of those change, it could be a totally different game.

Football is like a metaphor for life, right?

I mean,

it's like a microcosm of life.

We talk about it all the time.

The butterfly effect is in effect in football and in life.

You're right.

You see all this stuff in football that kind of applies.

Yeah, I'll give you some.

The raven effect.

Raven flaps its wings.

Times square, something changes halfway across the country.

You can use that on a play, any given play.

Like, if you're going to play like a raven, what you do on this play affects what happens over on this side of the field on the next play.

You know,

we did fly fishing with my my daughter and my wife in Montana, and we were out there on the Madison River,

water rushing, stones, trying to keep our balance, you know, doing the fly fishing, first time ever.

My daughter caught like 15 fish.

I caught like three.

Oh, wow.

Wow.

But while we're out there, I see this huge black bird flying around.

All these little birds are attacking it.

He keeps diving in.

Trying to get eggs in the nest of these smaller birds.

One against like 40 little birds who were pecking away at it while it was coming in.

I I said, What kind of bird is that?

He goes, That's a raven.

There it is.

That's my guy.

There it is.

I have a question about some harboisms.

When was the first time Who's Got It Better Than Us was debuted?

I assume by your dad?

Jim and I, yeah, the shorted version of the story is we're 10 and 8 years old.

We're in Iowa.

We got put away to bed at 7 o'clock in a summertime.

Kids are, we had a vacant lot with the baseball right next door.

They're outside playing.

Mom put us to bed because something, some reason that clearly wasn't our fault.

Dad came home like late night, pounds in there.

We thought we were going to get all mad because they were whispering, like,

and we'll here we go.

Dad comes down, door rips open, looks at us, and he goes, Who's got it better than you two guys?

In here, in your room together.

Yes, you had a tough night, but you're together.

You can share stories.

You can kind of work things out.

You have each other's back.

Nobody.

Nobody's got it better than you two guys.

So this is you guys getting grounded and he's like spinning it as who's got it better than me?

spin.

Yeah, I don't know how you thought of that.

Brilliant.

I like that.

I like that.

What about Life is Short, Run to the Ball?

I like that one.

That was Jim takes credit for that one.

You know, we kind of have a little dispute about who came up with that one.

He might have come up with that one or he probably more likely heard it from somebody else, but we both just kind of stole it.

But don't you love that?

I love that one.

Life is short, run to the ball.

That's like such a deep meaning thing.

Yeah.

And it's, I mean, you guys run to the ball.

Do you run to the ball?

Yeah, you can tell a team when they run to the ball.

It's like you just see it when they're flying to the ball.

Right.

A team that wants it more.

Right.

Well, we tell our guys, like, how hard you play is tells us and tells everybody is a statement about how much you care how hard you play relates directly to how much you care yeah what about enthusiasm unknown to mankind yeah that's I don't know where my dad came up with that like we were crying about we had a we had a for Chevy Biscayne 66 Biscayne this is like 71 72 cars didn't last that long anyway the car was falling apart the heater wasn't working it was like zero degrees in Iowa City Iowa it's one of the days we did actually have the car other times we were walking.

But basically, we were feeling sorry for ourselves.

I mean, right

in the back seat, you know, we're freezing on the way.

So we get out and we're just like, he's looking at us like, you know, why are you guys feeling sorry for yourself?

You know, you know, you need to attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

You know, you're 10.

You're 10 years old or something?

Yeah, I just kind of, we didn't really hear it.

But then Jim, in his Stanford press conference, in his opening press conference, said, we are going to attack the day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

And Dad was like, Oh my God, they were listening.

They were listening.

Have you ever had a day where you're like, you know what?

I'm not going to attack this day with enthusiasm.

I'm just going to have a day.

Have a regular day.

I have never, I mean, I'm not saying

it didn't happen that way sometimes, maybe, perhaps, but I never actually willed it to happen.

No, I didn't tell myself to not attack the day.

I mean, you know, you can attack other things.

You can spin it, you know.

Sometimes it's a rest day.

I'm going to attack this rest.

You can do that.

Yes.

Depends on how it's perspective.

Yeah, it also means every day you have to be more enthusiastic than you were yesterday.

It comes back to intentionality.

Well, enthusiasm unknown to mankind is really a spiritual thing.

If we really want to get deep here, we're talking about what is an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

We're talking about spiritual enthusiasm.

We're talking about a Holy Spirit power of the Holy Spirit type enthusiasm that is unknown to mankind, but it can be tapped into, right?

But you got to be connected to the Spirit.

Yeah.

And then the last one I had was 1% better every day.

Is there, I mean, at some point you can't get 1% better.

Well, we weren't, well, you you can always get 1% better.

It's like, man, it's like, you,

you, look at all the money you've made.

All the money, stop making money.

What about when, like, the, uh, you, you guys played the Dolphins was a couple years ago, and Lamar had like five touchdowns, 400 yards.

You beat him by a million.

I mean, you can't really

see, we're talking process now.

When you look at the process, there were things that could be better in there.

There's no question about it.

We'd rather correct with wins, but you know, sometimes you sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but you always learn, you know?

Yeah.

one percent better do you get do you get a little mad though when you win and you guys play almost a perfect game because you're like i have nothing to beat them up about that never could happen yeah it's impossible that's an impossibility

what's the stat it's like if you get one percent better every day then over the course of a year you improve by like 300x yeah it's like a crazy stat well it's like yeah it's like well in 77 days you should be twice as good as you were so you improve 200 as a team over the course of 77 days if you got one percent better because that's compound interest right yeah that's how that works

You've done the math on this.

Think if your money got one, made 1% every day.

Yeah.

But it takes, it's hard.

Who makes 1% every day in their money?

We tell our guys it takes 100% effort.

I've never believed in 110%.

110% is fake.

If you say 100%, 10%, you're basically saying, what are you really saying?

Yeah.

I mean, are you really giving 100%?

Well, you know how hard it is to give 100%?

If you actually gave 100%, 100% to me is the threshold

between giving everything you got and dying.

101%, you die.

It's like a horse.

You can run a horse till his heart blows up, right?

Yeah.

It's harder for people to do that.

Like, we're not really, we're not built that mind over matter.

But you can increase your 100%.

So if you go 100% and you get 1% better, it's still 100% the next day, but it's 101% compared to yesterday.

We're adding that to the whole thing.

Expand your capacity for 100%.

That's going to be a t-shirt.

When you love that,

you're good.

You got a mind for this stuff.

I like the Raven effect.

I still think the Raven effect's got waves.

When you sit down at the start of every training camp, do you have to, obviously, you like give a speech and you set the tone for the season.

Do you have to try to find ways to not repeat yourself things that you've said in the past?

Like that introductory training camp speech, it's always so good whenever I see it, if it's on hard knocks or behind the scenes videos.

How much time do you put in preparing what your motto is going to be for this season moving forward?

Right.

Well, we don't believe in mottos really or themes.

We try to make it kind of like organic, like where are we at, but a lot of time.

And what I try to do this year was through the off-season program, I did something every single day, which was basically 12, it was 12 messages plus back to number one.

So, yeah, which was morale.

That was number one, and it was the last one.

Morale is the physical, three is the one.

Napoleon, Beauchamp Beck, with Jack Harbaugh.

That's how I learned all that.

There it is.

The big three.

The big three.

Titans of

Titans of motivation.

But you think about every day.

So, like, this year I did, I basically kind of re just kind of, I just basically touched on all those things.

I didn't want to give a big speech this year because I felt like everybody kind of understood.

Sometimes what is understood doesn't need to be said.

And then you just kind of weave it into every single day.

Because I was watching an interview with Ed Reed a couple of months ago, and he was talking about your first season as coach of the Ravens and how you came in and you basically said, fuck you.

Like, fuck the way you've been doing things here.

It's like going to jail and punching the biggest guy in the face the first day that you see him, right?

Like new sheriff in town.

This is what I'm doing.

Is that what you said to them in so many words

yeah basically but but you know what the the thing about it and i told them this i said

i said listen i they were kind of like they were they were they were doubting a little bit they didn't really know who this guy was you know you hadn't had coached i mean you know i understand it like i got it you know it wasn't like me trying to prove myself but i told them i said listen i said you guys are misunderstood everybody thinks you guys are a bunch of a bunch of undisciplined bums you know that's what they say they know you're tough they know you're physical they know you play hard but they don't think you play with discipline they don't think you're really mentally tough in the truest kind of way.

They don't grit.

They don't think you have it when it counts the most.

Maybe that's what people say.

I know we played against you.

I understand what's said, okay?

There's terms that are used that are thrown out there that I won't even say here on radio, public radio, you know, that they say about you guys, but that's not who you are.

I've seen you guys.

I understand it.

I know who you're.

I watch you every day.

And I might have said this in my, because I watched him through the offseason program.

I know what you're really about.

And what we're going to do is we're going to let the whole world see what we're really about, who you really are.

All right.

All that black hat stuff no take off the black hat throw that away put the white hat on you're the hero all right the hero is the one who saves the day the hero is the one who has the true grit that makes a difference and i don't know if they really i think they i think they believed it in the end obviously

ed told me we got on the bus after the super bowl win five years later and we had shared a lot of experiences great experiences and tough experiences and he got on the bus with his bottle of champagne well i got on the bus actually he had his bottle of champagne he was sitting in my seat All right.

So I had to go sit on the other side of the row.

He looked at me and he goes, now I understand what you've been saying all these years.

Now it all makes sense.

Man, that's got to be the best feeling ever.

Best feeling ever.

Yeah.

And those guys, and the reason it worked was because Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs and young Joe Flacco and Marshall Yonda and all those guys, they bought in.

They had, not my back, they had the back of

the true principles that we were talking about.

They bought into that stuff.

I got a very dumb question for you.

When you're going through your game plan, getting ready for like a night game, Monday night game, let's say, do you have like on the sheet, like, hey, we're wearing our all-black uniform, so that's probably worth like a point or two?

Because that's what I think.

When I see you guys come out a night game, all blacks, it's like, yeah, the Ravens are going to win tonight.

Yeah.

Have we ever lost?

Yeah, probably.

With our all-black and

I can't think of it.

It looks, it looks.

It's beautiful.

Yeah.

So do you think that?

Do you have an extra point?

I'm pretty confident in the night games and in M ⁇ T Bank Stadium in the all-black uniforms.

I'm feeling pretty confident.

Feeling pretty good about that.

It feels like there's an invincibility of you guys when you come out.

Well, the goal, the goal, one of the goals, and like for any, like anything, when you're chasing excellence, one of the goals is that that's feeling, you want to make that feeling into reality.

Yeah.

You know, I want everybody in the stadium, when we take the field, no matter what uniform we're wearing, no matter what time of day or night, no matter what field it is, anywhere, whether it's a field or it's a parking lot, remember where I be, when the Ravens come rolling off the bus or out of the tunnel, I want everybody in the stands to go, everybody in the field to go, I want the opponent to go, oh,

there they are.

Yeah, there they are.

That's them.

The big bad Ravens.

Do you own a pair of the black, purple, silver, gray cargo shorts?

You know, the Army fatigue style ones.

This is my favorite thing about Ravens fans.

They have those?

They've got the cargo shorts, the cargo pants.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I mean, you got to get a pair.

You look

in a set of those.

Try to connect with the fan base a little more with that.

Yeah, I don't.

No, they're a great fan base.

Are you familiar with the work of our good friend Stavi at all?

Stavros?

Yeah.

Ronnie from Dundalk.

Yeah, he did.

Yeah, because he did that thing with me and Jim a couple years ago.

You remember that?

Yeah.

He flew here and flew out there.

That's a funny dude.

Is that what he wears?

That's what he wears.

He's a bad pair of those.

All the time.

He's born in a pair of those, actually.

I don't know why.

I got to talk to my equipment guy.

He was born in a pair of those.

Yeah, came out of the wound like that.

Yeah.

How many more years are you going to coach football?

Well, like my dad said, you know, you coach until you just can't stand it, until you hate it, until you don't want to show up every day, until it's just the last thing in the world you want to do.

When you get to that point, you coach for two more years.

I mean, that's what your brother says.

He says,

all I wanted to do since I was a little kid was play football, coach football, then die.

Pretty, pretty.

I'd rather not die.

Yeah, that's what he says, though.

I believe him, too.

I actually do believe him.

When did you realize that you wanted to be a football coach?

I always knew I wanted to be a football coach, but I realized it when

my dad needed a coach when I just graduated and he made me a coach because he didn't have any coaches because he was short on coaches at Western Michigan.

He said, you coach, you be a coach.

I'm like, okay.

And I got to be a coach with my dad and great coaches like Greg Madison and Brady Hoke and Dan Frino and these superstar guys that like take you under their wing and they toughen you up and show you what it's all about.

And then I, you know,

that's when I wanted to be a coach.

And then the other thing is I really, I really knew, but I knew I needed to straighten up my act when

I was yelling at the officials for two holding calls against Ohio U my first year.

And I took my headsets off and and I flung them, you know, down, way down.

They had a track, across the track, behind the cheerleaders, right in front of the student band down there.

And I threw my headsets, you know, can you imagine?

I'm 21 years old.

What an a-hole.

So I turned around.

I'm all mad about the call.

My dad's like right here.

He's right in my face.

He's like,

go get him.

The phones?

Go get them.

I had to put my head down, run back.

Even the guys, I'm the same age as most of the players so they're laughing at me too you know like you dumbass so i gotta run down there cheerleaders laughing at me student section going crazy band starts you know heckling me pick up the phones run back put them back in my head sheepishly you know you learn the hard way sometimes you learn the easy way sometimes you learn the hard way yeah all right we got a couple of uh last questions really appreciate this coach uh

The Tomlin rival, Tomlin-Harbaugh rivalry, you guys have been playing against each other for so many years.

Is it like extra hard knowing that you know each other so well?

Have you ever thought of going into this game being like, you know what, we're going to do something totally different that they've never seen before?

Because these games are all wars and they all are like three-point, seven-point games that you just go through the years.

It's nuts looking at it.

Right.

The Harbaugh-Tomlin rivalry, right?

That's definitely true.

I mean, you just know each other so well.

Even when we're on the field talking before the game, we both always acknowledge it before the game.

It's like, this is really special.

This is really cool.

It's really a pain in the butt.

It's really rough and tough, but it's really great.

And, you know, we're kind of both to the point now where we kind of like, we're living there and we're feeling real good about living in that rivalry.

And you do got to find something, some way, whatever it might be, to find an edge.

And it's just like all that shared history,

we know it all.

It's all ingrained.

It's in the background and you feel it.

Yeah, it's special.

I mean, it is kind of a very cool wrinkle to the NFL being like, these guys have played each other so many times.

It would be one thing if it was you played each other and there's blowouts on one side.

You guys play each other in wars every single year.

Yeah, there's been a few blowouts but there's been a lot more close games yeah but tons of close games the blowouts have always been the one have always been one way just if you go back and look but but there's been very few of them you're right yeah they're like that it's a valid point i think if you look at the the cumulative score over the years it's crazy close considering how long you guys have been together it's crazy close man like people i hear people sometimes i read sometimes people say it's not what it used to be all blame it's everything it used to be yeah yeah it's it's it's just as good it just keeps building on the past afc north football do you enjoy those games while you're in the games or does it take it does it take like a little bit of separation afterwards to be like, that was a lot of fun?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, like every game's like that, to be honest with you.

It takes a little separation afterwards.

You like to say, live in the moment, enjoy the moment, and all that, but you know, it's impossible to do that.

You're just fighting.

Yeah.

It's like being in a fight.

You're really enjoying it.

I mean, I don't know, Ali, Frazier.

I mean, were they really enjoying the moment, you know, getting smashed in the face and all that?

But I'm sure when they looked back, they thought it was pretty amazing.

Yeah.

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when we were at the facility

people said that he would just go he'd because you have to rinse off yeah khakis polo would get in get in the cold tub for five minutes get out fully dressed then just change into a new khakis don't you remember like when you were a kid you went to the pool what'd they tell you to do before you go in the pool you gotta remember you gotta shower and rinse before you go in right I mean, he learned that a long time ago.

Yeah, he might shower in the khakis and polo and then get in the hot tub.

Jay and Jay.

Well, Coach, thank you.

Always great to talk to you.

Appreciate it.

Best of luck this year.

Yeah.

And you are grit.

I love it.

What doesn't kill you?

Or what was the saying?

It doesn't kill me, doesn't bother me.

Doesn't bother me.

I love that.

That's awesome.

Appreciate you guys.

You guys are the best.

Thanks for being here.

Thanks for coming to visit the Ravens.

And now for something completely different.

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest.

It is Grit Week, presented by Hey Dude.

It is Roquan Smith from the Baltimore Ravens.

Roquan, thank you for joining us.

First question, which we ask everyone on Grit Week, what does the word grit mean to you?

I think grit to me means a person that's willing to go through anything

for whatever their purpose is and behind their why and willing to put their face in the fan every single second and just a person that knows their purpose and just all about it.

I like that.

Putting your face in the fan.

That's a good saying.

Yeah.

When was the last time you put your face in the fan?

Last time I I put my face in the fan was actually probably versus Buffalo far as football terms, but I feel like I put my face in the fan with life every day.

Yeah.

After the loss against Buffalo,

how soon after that do you watch the tape?

Do you go back over that?

I ended up watching some of it actually on the bus ride back.

I was so disappointed just like how the game went.

Felt like I could have had better plays out there as well.

And obviously collectively as a team.

So just thinking about that and like just, man, like so close, but obviously close don't matter it's about getting the job done yeah how do you feel physically going into this year there's been some talk anonymous people what do you what do you say to the people i saw the anonymous source that said you were maybe overweight last year kyle van noy came at him that was pretty fun kyle van noy said hey uh jeremy fowler tell that nfl assistant to eat a dick because agent zero is on some

and you're a b I assume bitch for hiding.

Put your name on it.

That's a good team, mate.

Do you, I mean, do you feel good going into this camp?

Yeah, no, I feel really good.

Probably the best I've felt in a while, like going into this camp.

Really good, healthy.

So excited about that.

And at the end of the day, yeah, like there were plays and things like that last year, but I think obviously it's not to my standard, but I was all pro, if I'm not mistaken, Pro Bowl as well.

So whoever it is, yeah, they can just say it.

If I know, if I say something, I would say it.

But tune in.

Yesterday is the past.

Tune in this coming season and we'll see.

Listen, as someone who gets called fat a lot online, you just got to block out the haters.

Don't listen to them.

And I would assume that you should just take a picture with your shirt off.

I'm not fat.

Look at this.

It would shut everyone up.

It looks good.

Yeah.

Is it weird, though, to have those type of criticisms where it's like, you know your body, you know your play.

And it's like, and I do think the anonymous part is kind of bullshit.

Like when you see that online, are you like, what the hell is going on?

Who the hell is saying this?

Yeah, I don't really care too much about it, truth be told.

And I honestly didn't see it.

I found out one of my homies from home actually sent it to me like after I got up in camp and said, hey, bro, some people are like talking.

Because normally I don't have like Twitter or anything like that.

And people not tagging me and those type things on like Instagram and stuff like that.

So I don't really see it.

But obviously, if someone, if I feel a certain way, I would normally say something.

But normally people who are anonymous want to be anonymous for a reason.

So it tells you who they are.

I would say all pro is a pretty good comeback to that.

Yeah.

If I was all pro and I was out of shape, then I'm really fucking good at football and you can deal with with it yeah no doubt yeah so you said that like there are certain parts last year that didn't meet your standards i know that the way the season started for the ravens defense wasn't so great but then you guys turned a corner like early november i think it was when it was um what happened in early november that made you guys become like maybe the best defense in the nfl yeah i think on the uh the back end man we just really came together and i felt like that's when we kind of really understood each other and then obviously there was certain certain people dealing with certain things throughout the season and just the communication aspect wasn't to the standard that it needed to be.

And I think we just ended up gelling together and knowing that we can depend on one another, play in and play out.

And I think having that mindset and having that going into fall camp back in the spring and going into this season, I think we're going to turn a lot of heads for sure.

Yeah.

You said that this is probably the best defense you've played on.

2018 was a pretty good defense.

Yeah.

We played some good defenses in Georgia.

But this is the best, you think?

I think this right here has the potential to be the best because we haven't done it yet.

So it's untapped.

So it's not about what's on paper.

It's about what we actually do in person.

So I'm excited about the opportunity that we're going to have as a unit because I know there's some damn good dudes on this team, like players as well as people.

So I'm just excited about that.

And if everybody played to their potential, for sure.

Yeah.

2018, though, was a pretty good.

2018 was cold.

That was a cold defense and some

very good defense.

For sure.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Coach was telling us how he likes to inspire people to get 1% better every single day.

Have you done anything today to make yourself 1% better?

Yeah, absolutely.

I got up out of bed,

had myself a nice clean breakfast, got a nice lift in today.

So I felt like all those things was leading to my 1%

for the day.

Maybe even 2% today.

Yeah, maybe even 2%.

Absolutely.

You stack those percentages, then you can kind of take a couple days off.

But he was saying, like, sometimes you can get 1% better by resting.

You just rest to the best of your ability.

That's what I do all the time.

And it makes me great.

It's good for some, not good for others.

I got a football question for you.

What is a hip drop tackle?

Honestly, I never do it.

So I can't even tell you the definition of it.

But I think it's when you drop your weight, like from the definition, I would think you're dropping all the weight from your hip down on another player, like a player that's leaning a certain type of way.

So I don't tackle that way.

So I'm not too sure about like all the rules with it i like to square a cat up and hit you in your face you know yeah because to me it sounds like when they're talking about linebackers and hip drop tackles it sounds a lot like tackles that have like normal tackles that then the offensive player moves their body and the defensive player just finishes the tackle then you get punished for it i think there was a fine that you had last year um it might have been against godwin and that but they rescinded the fine they took that back afterwards that looked like a normal football play to me it looked like at the speed it was going there's nothing a defensive player can do Is it, do you think about that during a play?

Like, hey, I can't put my body in this position?

No, I don't think about it at all.

And yeah, like, I'm sure I know Godwin was having a really good recovery from like what I've heard.

So excited about him.

And yeah, it was perfectly clean tackle.

I felt like maybe they just called.

It felt like in that situation, something may look a certain type of way.

But I'm just thinking about taking this person out in a clean, in a clean way with respect to the rules of the game and just play my style.

I can't focus on this, that, or the third because in that case, then you'll get embarrassed.

And then when you get embarrassed, you're the highlight reel.

Yeah.

I got a dumb question for you.

Is are Sundays easier because you don't have to play against Lamar?

Oh, yeah.

Sundays are way easier.

Like, and sometimes when this dude, some of the stuff he'd be doing at practice, I'd be like, bro, I'm like, I'm glad I'm not going up against that.

Cause nobody else in the league can do what he do.

There's obviously a lot of really good quarterbacks in this league who are like really good.

But like the stuff that that guy do, like night and day, I don't see anyone doing it, yeah.

Cause I like it has to be just you, you must have like even more confidence when you're going up against a guy like Lamar in practice and he's breaking people's ankles and shifting everywhere.

And it's like, all right, we're going up against a pocket quarterback, we don't have to worry about this.

Yeah, absolutely.

Like, Lamar makes it easier going up against even other dual threat quarterbacks.

He makes it way easier, like going up against those guys as opposed to seeing him day in and day out at practice.

Then, like, he don't even like be going 100% like how he do in the game and like how he do do out there it's insane I got a question about your recruitment process when you went to Georgia so you

went you you had a visit with Alabama Kirby smarts the DC

he says that you're too small to play linebacker

Then you go to Georgia and then the next year, your second year, he's the head coach.

Was that a little awkward?

Was he like, oh,

I guess maybe you aren't too small and also you're really fucking fast?

Yeah, you know how all that goes.

I'll never know

probably the official truth behind that, but like, I did know that it was said, it was said that I was too small to play linebacker there.

And it was like, cool.

I didn't really like Bama anyway, truth be told.

I just wanted to go for the experience, see what it was, see what it was all about.

You know, people was like, oh, it's a really dope environment and everything like that.

So I wanted the experience from it more so.

And like, cause honestly, I would have never went to Bama and granted.

They probably didn't want me either.

So like it made the two of us.

And so like, yeah, when they got to Georgia, it's like, yeah, I was a Georgia boy.

So it was like, hey, I'm here.

So at the end of the day, like, you can't deny me if I'm the best, best guy out there.

And like, I just proved that day in and day out.

And it obviously has been showing.

Do people bark at you still?

No, people don't bark.

Like, sometimes if I see somebody randomly, like, even in Chicago, when I'm back there, like, see somebody with a Georgia hat on, Georgia shirt, like, be like, go, dogs, like, something like that, but not a rule.

Like, nothing like that.

I would bark.

If I was barking,

yeah, I would bark 100%.

Calling all the dogs is the best.

You never signed a national letter of intent, right?

Correct.

Why is that?

I I feel like most players that get recruited to top-level schools, they want to sign that letter.

They want to make a showing out of it.

Like, hey, I'm committing to this place.

Why didn't you do it?

Yeah, I think times are different right now.

But like, when I was coming out, so like initially, I had committed to UCLA,

but then the coach was leaving.

So it was just like, it was kind of like a sticky situation where I'm like, okay, is this coach going to be there?

Is he not going to be there?

And then I'm like, okay, for myself, like, why am I going to tie myself to this school?

Like, and a coach really can get out of it if he's going to do it.

So if you have the leverage and you have the the opportunity, like I wasn't, I was a pretty well-known recruit and like had options for a lot of different places.

So, I'm like, okay, if a school truly wants me, then I'll just sign the financial aid papers to like the school that I want to go to.

And when I get on campus, that's when I'll be there.

So, if anything happened, I would be able to protect myself in a sense.

I respect that.

You've always been like a little bit independent when it comes to that sort of thing.

Like, you're your own agent, right?

Yeah.

Was that hard being your own agent negotiating contract when teams were obviously, you know, like the Bears were negotiating with you, but they might be telling you things that they would normally tell an agent that your agent would never tell you, but they had to say it to your face.

Was that a difficult time?

No, it's not a difficult time because at the end of the day, you have to learn to, you have to learn to love the truth tellers in your life, regardless if it's you believe it's the truth or not.

And like, but if that person believes it's the truth from their perspective, then you have to value that and believe that.

So at the end of the day, it's just like a conversation where it's like open heart.

You lay it out.

Your heart's on your sleeve.

You say what you, how you would feel about an individual, and you know how that person feels.

So it's not like, you know you're throwing darts and hiding in a sense so you just say what it is and that's what it is and that's what it's not you charge yourself five percent ten percent uh no i'll i charge myself three

you're pretty fair agent uh i i got a trust tree question we can be open with each other uh with the way things went down in chicago you get traded to the ravens how you guys have played the last couple years the ravens how the bears have played the last couple years i mean you probably are like man that that that feels like a good good change for me you can you can be you can be honest with me yeah no It's not going well.

I mean, it might be going well now.

We're turning the page, maybe, but you missed some pretty bad years there.

Yeah, no, no doubt.

Like, yeah, I would imagine my heart would probably hurt a little bit for sure.

But I love the city of Chicago, obviously.

But far as just playing and losing like that, it was tough.

It's definitely tough.

But obviously, as a competitor, when you're going through it, you're like, we got a chance to actually win it all.

And you know how Bears fans are.

You think even if you got one of the worst teams in the league, normally, you like still think you got a chance to like do something crazy.

But like, I love that about the bears fans

well i'm happy for you i never it was never like one of those things where like fuck roquan you were trying to get paid it's like we're very uh player friendly in terms of like the podcast where it's like guys are trying to get money they only have so many shots at this your career is only going to be so long like go get your money figure it out you know absolutely you have to because at the end of the day the team is going to do what's best for them you have to treat yourself like a business and you have to do what's best for yourself because if you can if they can get you on a cheaper deal they're going to do it and just like if you can get them on something more, you're going to do it as a player.

That's just the cost of doing business.

Yeah.

Do you think the Ravens would have paid you all that money if they'd seen your first pitch at the Orioles game?

Well, I don't play baseball, so maybe so.

Yeah, but you can tell a lot about a guy who throws.

I don't think so.

You got lucky on that one, too, because they didn't have the camera.

I was so happy about that.

They didn't have the camera behind, you know, out in the outfield.

The only footage that exists is like some guy that was up in the second level.

It was up there with 50 cents bad first.

I don't know if it was as bad as he is now, but it was bad.

It was definitely bad.

And I was so glad that they actually didn't like get it like that.

Because I was thinking when it happened, I'm like, I hope to God that they don't post this one that looks like because the real one is bad.

Yeah, it's not good.

Did you warm up for that at all?

No, see, I tried to tell my boy, one of my boys back in Chicago named Walker or whatever.

So, like, he ended up, he played baseball in college and everything.

So, I was like, all right, bro, leading up to it, I'm like, I need to go out and throw some balls with you, like, practice throw around a little bit.

And and he's like all right bro all right i got you yeah every weekend same story oh i'm gonna do it we're gonna do it next week this week

and so yeah it's walker's fault yeah it's all walker's yeah um all right i know you got practice in a minute i want to talk two georgia things real quick the rose bowl was that the best game you ever played Yeah, that atmosphere was like sick.

Like, and the way the game went and how we played, how we came back in that sense, and like playing against a darn good team and like Oklahoma and a lot of star studs, it was a star-studded team.

And like the way we fought through adversity, that game, it was pretty sick i enjoyed that and then the uh national championship obviously the two walk-off pass where were you in that on that play did you did you bite what was going on no i didn't bite at all um

but it was basically like i was sitting in the middle in the middle of the field kind of well more so on my hash and then he looked one way and then went back the other way man and i honestly didn't watch that play for years i never watched that play for years anytime somebody had that game on i'll probably watch a couple plays but then i will i will walk away So it took me a while to actually watch that particular play because that was gut-wrenching.

You're a great football player.

You're a tough guy.

Maybe you can dispel the rumors that are floating out there about you.

You have chicks' handwriting?

Oh, no.

You say, like, I do write really neat.

The quote I saw is, you write like a female.

Yeah, I write really neat.

Is that true?

Yeah, well, some people do say it's very true because I like, I do write really neat.

I started in school because I used to write it.

We used to have to write in cursive.

Now you don't really do that in school.

So it's like I used to practice writing all the time.

It was like something we had to do early on in school.

So it's just something that stayed with me.

And most people, most times, when I write things, people be like,

Did you really write that?

Like, yeah.

I got neat handwriting too.

People always accuse me of that.

We should not be ashamed just because we know how to write.

Look, it's over the eye.

Maybe sometimes.

Maybe sometimes.

All right.

I got one last question for you, Rokan.

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So you said you don't have Twitter.

So I just name searched real quick and I wanted to read just a random tweet and you can tell me what you think.

Someone tweeted, it was 2022, September 2022.

I love watching Roquan explode onto dudes.

That's kind of weird, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was my tweet.

Yeah.

But it's like, it's definitely

an interesting tweet, but

it is like in football terms, you know what it is.

I was clearly tweeting about a football game.

You were playing for the Bears at the time.

I like watching you explode on a dude.

Sorry.

My bad.

I got to find that highlight because you probably exploded on a dude.

You got great getoff.

It's bad.

He's busting dudes' talents.

No doubt.

All right.

Well, Roquan, you're the man.

Best of luck this season.

We're rooting for you.

And thanks so much for hanging out.

Absolutely.

Appreciate you guys.

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Okay, guys on checks.

Let's finish it off.

By the way, Thursday's Grit Week finale,

you're going to want to watch.

I'm very excited for it.

You're going to want to watch.

You're going to want to watch.

Very excited.

Return of an old friend.

Yes.

You're going to want to watch.

Zepp IQs.

Oh.

Another thing you're going to want to watch is Zach is the video that's coming out Thursday.

Yes.

Yeah.

You're really going to want to watch that.

One of the best, like, Zach is extremely out Out-of-the-pod of the videos we've ever done.

Everybody was getting extreme.

It was awesome.

Great day.

You got so extreme.

I'm so proud of you, dude, for being so extreme.

I appreciate it.

Big out you two, man.

Y'all are also

up.

I mean, y'all are character stuff up, too.

Super extreme.

This might be an extreme grit and extreme extreme week.

Okay, okay.

Extreme week?

Extreme week?

Oh, yeah.

Zach X.

What if we just lived in Travis Petrona's woods?

Zach, you're extreme.

Extreme.

You're 2 PT.

Okay.

FAQs.

FAQs, my bad.

Sup, Subfellas, but mostly Zach.

Hope the dating life is going well.

How does the group determine which training camps to visit during Great Week?

Congrats, PFT, not embarrassing himself in front of Jaden.

Yes, congrats.

Thank you.

It's really about where we can get interviews and what places are close to each other.

And also what we haven't been to either ever or in a long time.

So,

yeah, like we've done the South.

I wish

maybe we'll go back next year.

The problem with the South, obviously, is the teams are very far apart.

So the travel is a little bit more logistically difficult.

But yeah, we've done what?

We've done LA twice.

We've done Buffalo a couple times.

Northern California.

Yeah.

We did.

We haven't done the Pacific Northwest yet.

We did Ohio.

Same thing, Pacific Northwest.

It's hard.

Yeah.

We've done Ohio.

We've done...

Yeah, the whole Rust Belt a few times.

Yeah.

We've never done Pittsburgh.

It's been capital.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

Well, we did Dave DeCastro on the first time.

We did, but we didn't go to actually like

invited to the camp.

Yeah, it's funny because it used to be we would basically beg for players to come outside of training camp and go into either Vanny Woodhead or whatever we were driving.

Now we actually get invited, which is nice.

It makes it easier.

Makes it so that we can get better interviews for you guys.

Yeah.

What's up, Barcelona, Big Crab, PFT, Crab Cake, Han, Lockwood, and crew?

Are you making that noise?

H-O-N?

Han.

Han.

That's what you say in in Baltimore.

Like, hey, Han.

Yeah.

Han.

Hope you boys enjoyed our great city of Baltimore.

Assuming you've been to all.

I did that on my own.

That was good.

Assuming you've been to all four

AFC North Cities, rank them one to four solely based on grit.

Okay, that's tough.

That's actually very difficult to do.

I don't.

I can't.

I can't rank them.

It's number one most grit division in football.

I'll try.

I think I still would put Pittsburgh number one as grit.

Steel.

Come on.

Yeah, but I mean, the river catches on fire.

I know.

Then it's a Cleveland, Baltimore, and Cincinnati, which I really like.

Cincinnati is probably four.

In grit.

Yeah.

But Cincinnati is also a beautiful place.

I don't know.

I enjoyed my time in Cincinnati.

This is very tough.

I refuse to rank out of respect for the division.

Baltimore one.

Okay.

Wire.

And homicide.

Pittsburgh, two.

Okay.

Steel.

I'm going to go.

Okay, keep going.

Cincinnati 3.

I just don't like Cleveland.

Okay.

All right.

Cleveland.

That seems a bit unnecessary.

Some grit rankings.

I'll go Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincinnati.

I abstain.

That's pussy shit.

It's grit week.

I abstain.

I mean,

that's crazy.

But if I had to, which I'm not,

I would put, just do a different order from what we just did.

I would put.

Put Cleveland one.

No, no, no.

i yeah

i'm gonna put cincinnati one okay cleveland two

baltimore three pittsburgh four if i had to which i won't okay

all right

we'll end on this uh hey guys wondering why grit week was a week earlier this year always enjoyed hearing your recap watching the hard knocks premiere at an awl's house love the show no birds it's all about it's really all about when people will have us and when the schedule opens up for us.

So it just made more sense to do it this week this year.

It also was, I agree, stinks that we aren't doing that.

We'll do that next year.

The problem is the way like the schedule has shifted because we ran into this last year.

The schedule has shifted and camps start to travel for camps are different than what they used to be where it felt like every team would just go to a different like off location for four or five weeks.

Now teams do it at their facilities and a lot of teams will do like the first two weeks everyone's like there and staying at a hotel.

And then like after that, they'll let them go to their houses and it gets a little dispersed.

So we found that like last year, we were going to go, I think, a week later, and we tried to do the schedule, and they're like, oh, yeah, we're traveling, or guys just aren't here.

We can't guarantee it.

So the first two weeks of camp is like when everyone is here and they're like captive.

But yeah.

There have been times when teams say we can't do that week.

We could do either the week after or the week before.

And then we just have to kind of change everything and say, Okay, if it means that we get the interviews, we'll just do it when you will have us.

Yeah, yeah, but we will bring that back next year for sure.

Uh,

okay, good show.

Uh,

you want to get a number?

Put a number on your phone: one to a hundred.

Everyone want to guess a number?

Three,

do you have it?

Okay, 21

54,

78

12 71.

Let's go to Tim Ryan.

This is the old boss.

Old boss, 6.

33, 6.

I saw the number.

Okay.

Ghostwriter.

Wow, that's man of honor.

85.

85.

All right, what's the number?

35.

No one got it.

Damn.

No one got it.

Good number.

Yeah.

All right.

See you everyone Friday.

Love you guys.