Ravens HC John Harbaugh, Roquan Smith, The Airing Of Grit Week Grievances, Mt Rushmore Of TV Moms + FAQ’s

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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My take, we have John Harbaugh and Roquan Smith from Ravens Camp. It is Grit Week, episode two.
We're midweek. We are all feeling good.
Feeling gritty. Feeling great.
Feeling gritty.

Speaker 1 Feeling funny. Never felt better.
Yeah. There's no tension on the bus.
We got Mount Rushmore of Best TV Moms.

Speaker 1 And we're going to do Guys on Chicks. And we have Hot Seat Cool Thrones.
It's going to be a great show. Great show.
Great Mount Rushmore. Shout out to Hank.
Picked a great topic.

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Speaker 1 It's been a great week so far. I'm a little bit sad because each day that goes by, it feels like Grit Week's one day closer to being over.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And, you know, that's tough because we get to hang out with the fellas, have a great time, chop it up. And I just want to say, I really love hanging out with you guys.

Speaker 1 I love hanging out with you guys. So, yeah, we've been everywhere.
We started

Speaker 1 Monday. We went to Ravens Camp.
We have John Harbaugh and Roquan Smith on today's show. We then went to Travis Pastrana's house, Pastrana Land, which was insane.

Speaker 1 We interviewed him. He'll come out.
That interview will come out in a couple weeks. But we also have a video that will come out soon where Zach is the MVP.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Because Ron Lane was awesome.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Then we went to D.C., did Commander's Camp, went to Jimmy's Seafood, ate so much seafood, went to an Orioles game, and then drove up to, now we're in Philly, and the drive was great. It was fun.

Speaker 1 It was so much fun hanging out with you guys. Yeah.
So, yeah, what a great day from start to end. I know it thinks he got off to like a little bit of a rocky start.

Speaker 1 Hank was a little grumpy in the morning. I just want to set the stage.
I'm not saying he's grumpy now. He was grumpy in the morning.
He He just started firing at us. He got up 20 minutes early.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought he had too much breakfast. Well, it's because he ate two breakfasts.
Yeah. And we know that Hank has to have

Speaker 1 your days mixed up. 7:45 is when we were meeting in the lobby to go to the commanders, and Hank got there at 7.25.
And that's 20 minutes. He'll never get back.
Yeah. Yeah, it's grudge.

Speaker 1 If you're not, you know, we hear a lot of coaches: if you're not, you know, if you're not early, you're late. And I wanted to be early.
So before we...

Speaker 1 I don't think that's something that should be like

Speaker 1 taking a shot at. No, I I agree.
I agree.

Speaker 1 I pride myself on being early. Yeah, and you caught a nap later on in the day.
I did. In the car.
Yep. Punk and punctuality.

Speaker 1 Before we do some national sports podcast stories and do hot seat cool tone,

Speaker 1 should we just air the grievances real quick? Yes.

Speaker 1 Can I go? I mean,

Speaker 1 I would like to air a grievance, but I know it's going to be a situation where you're putting words in my mouth already. You're not going to let me finish and you're just going to interrupt me at 10.

Speaker 1 Sounds like this is a pre-grievance.

Speaker 1 Your pre-grievance. I would like grievancing us?

Speaker 1 Why are you grievancing us? You said, should we air the grievances? And I said, I have one I would like to air. Permission to air it without being interrupted.
Granted. Okay, granted.

Speaker 1 Weird.

Speaker 1 Can I look at you while you're doing it? No. I have the right to face my chooser.

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Put it down. I have the right to face my cuz.
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Oh, so you're saying you're up for a crime.

Speaker 1 You're going to air grievances at me. You're grievances at me.
I know it's at you. How do you know it's at you? Because you looked at me and you said, you're going to do this thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm looking. Look at where we're sitting.
Okay. I'm looking at Zach, too.
All right. So air a grievance on Zach.
So do you think I'm airing a grievance at you?

Speaker 1 I think you are. No, because there's nothing that you've done to me because you're an absolute delight.
Use my hand. Anyway.
Yes, Max, question.

Speaker 1 Could you please not point at people with the microphone?

Speaker 1 We were driving today.

Speaker 1 We were driving today to Jimmy's Seafood. Mike, our security guard, was driving.
Big cat's too much of a diva to drive himself anymore.

Speaker 1 So we're driving.

Speaker 1 We're driving to Jimmy Seafood.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I fell asleep. Wait, why weren't you driving?

Speaker 1 Because you never let us drive anyway when we went to the house. You sat all the way in the drive.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But you no longer drive. Anyway, again, I got one sentence in before you interrupt me.
Not a surprise. I asked her for a while.
You should have shot at me. You should have shot at me.

Speaker 1 This is a factor of fiction. Mike drives.
Yeah. That's what he does.
But when we used to do Grit Week, who would drive? Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Anyway, as I continue,

Speaker 1 I took a little nap.

Speaker 1 And I've talked on the show about having to sleep talking. I sleep talk sometimes.
We go into Jimmy's Seafood. Phenomenal food.
Yeah. They had, we ate so much food.

Speaker 1 I have never felt fatter, more full, but it was all so, so good. They hooked it up course after course,

Speaker 1 food after food. It was all so good.
And then I got in the car and I was like, wow, I am full.

Speaker 1 We're headed to the Orioles game. And I got back in the car and I kind of remembered.
I was like, oh, yeah, I fell asleep. And I like, I had a weird dream.

Speaker 1 And I was like, hey, like, and I know, I've talked about it on the show before, how I have a habit of sleep talking.

Speaker 1 And it concerns me because sometimes whether I'm on planes or whatever, sometimes you wake up on a plane, you don't know if you slept talk or not.

Speaker 1 I was like, hey, guys, did I sleep talk? With your boys. Big cat doesn't shut up, was shockingly silent, doesn't say a word in the front seat.
PFT.

Speaker 1 PFT goes, I plead the fifth, which is that that's where my spidey senses go on. These are supposed to be my friends, and I know that this is not going to get talked about in this car ride.

Speaker 1 It's going to get talked about in the podcast. And then I got angry.
And then I was like, why? Like, why? You know, and the PFT was like, what'd you talk about?

Speaker 1 I started telling about the dream, the weird dream I had. And then thinking that, again, as friends, they'd be like, oh, yeah, this is what you were saying.

Speaker 1 I pled the fifth.

Speaker 1 But then I was like,

Speaker 1 are we going to plead the, but I said, oh, we're going to plead the fifth later. And you both said no.
So I was getting angry that you guys are supposed to be my friends.

Speaker 1 friends you would not tell me what i was saying as i was sleep talking and now you can basically make up anything that you want uh

Speaker 1 and yeah also mike is supposed to be a neutral party he didn't say anything either so i'm upset with him i'm upset i'm upset

Speaker 1 i'm upset i'm upset with all three of you i still don't know what i did yeah i don't know either i said you would not tell you told me i slept talk and then i said what was i saying and you would not tell me i pled the fifth that's a scumbag move i pled the fifth your mike said he was a he's a he was he's a cop you're not allowed to plead the fifth

Speaker 1 i don't have to, I don't have to self-incriminate. I don't have to testify against you.
Hank, me and you are like, are like spouses in Mount Rushworth, right?

Speaker 1 You don't have to testify against your spouse. You're supposed to tell each other everything.
And I said sorry. You're supposed to share bank accounts, tell each other everything.

Speaker 1 You don't do either of those.

Speaker 1 Hank just kept. I said sorry like four times.
Hank goes, you don't fucking mean sorry. And I said, you're right.
I just want this to end. And he's just like, it's not ending.

Speaker 1 And then you ended it, and then you brought it back up. We kept trying to just not talk about it.
And then you kept bringing it back up. Because all I wanted was an answer.

Speaker 1 Okay, do you want the answer? No, yeah, and this is the answer. I have an idea

Speaker 1 of the answer. This is what was pissing me off the most.

Speaker 1 I want to give him away from the show. You want the truth? Yeah, sure now.
I have an idea for you to get the real truth.

Speaker 1 Let's assume it's the first time.

Speaker 1 Max, okay. I have an idea for you to get the real truth.

Speaker 1 I think that Mike should take you to the back room. Okay.
Bring the microphone, and if both of your stories match, it'll be the truth. That's true.
Okay.

Speaker 1 That's a way that we could figure out the real truth.

Speaker 1 You're skewed alive.

Speaker 1 We can bring the hand on Mike.

Speaker 1 Mike's already done. Joe.
Just say it.

Speaker 1 No, I think this is a good idea. I just say it's a good idea.

Speaker 1 No, this is pre-planned. No, it's not.
This is not pre-planned. I swear to God.
Where are these mics? I swear to God.

Speaker 1 Oh, look at that. The mic's ready.
What do you know? We've been using the handheld mics this whole week.

Speaker 1 Wait, we're going to do it. We're going to hear a whisper into Mike's ear.
No, it would be.

Speaker 1 Oh, you want.

Speaker 1 Mike would have to... Would have to take it.
I don't care. I don't care.

Speaker 1 It was, again,

Speaker 1 there's a principle thing. No, it doesn't matter.
It's too late. You're going to say it anyway.
But you're going to say it anyway. So just let it rip.
Take the band.

Speaker 1 You want Mike to say it? I don't care.

Speaker 1 I would like Mike to say it. I would like Mike to say it.
Mike, say it. Say it.
Tell the truth. That's what he was saying.
Yeah. Yeah.
Mike, Mike, Mike.

Speaker 1 The real truth. The real truth.
The real truth.

Speaker 1 So just so if anyone's confused, we got in the car.

Speaker 1 Hank slept a portion of the trip. Then we got out of the car, ate.
Then we got back in the car. And he was like, did I say anything? And then all help.
No, no, no. You said yes.
Wait, he said yes.

Speaker 1 Plifty said yes.

Speaker 1 hank woke up and then started accusing us of not telling him what he was saying did you say yes did you say yes i pled the fifth no you said yes okay okay mike what what what happened what did happen when hank was sleeping all right i was in the car hank did fall asleep i was driving i didn't i personally didn't hear hank say anything

Speaker 1 but when he woke up and he was asking did i say anything in my dream

Speaker 1 PFT said I plead the fifth. I didn't say anything.
Big head said nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you like bugged out and you got like super sensitive. He started that.
You started panicking and like, no, I'm not going to let this go. I'm not letting this go.

Speaker 1 He said yes.

Speaker 1 But what did Hank say in his sleep? Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 But the fact that they said nothing, but you just wouldn't let it go.

Speaker 1 You would not let it go. Nothing in his sleep.
You said that. Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 The best part was that Hank, he started self-accusing all the dreams he was having by getting ahead of the story and just confessing weirder and weirder dreams.

Speaker 1 And me and Big Cat were just looking at each other like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 I did say I wanted you to fall asleep against so I could hear the rest of the story. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 I was joking.

Speaker 1 I was messing around. You guys are acting innocent, like you weren't leading me on.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 That's the truth. It's not good, but it is what it is.
And then Hank stopped talking to me, and then we started to get them out rushmore dock together. And Hank just didn't want to do it.

Speaker 1 And he's just giving me the cold cold shoulder. I don't know if, I don't know if this man's still my friend anymore.
We got a great list. I like that.
Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 You did not, you did not sleep talk at all. But you guys know I do that.
Right, but then you came in and started accusing us of not telling you that we

Speaker 1 know.

Speaker 1 I said, did I sleep talk? And PFG said yes. And then I said, what did I say? And then you said, I plead the fifth.
Hank, please.

Speaker 1 I said nothing. You already said I said nothing.
I know you said nothing, but because I was an issue. I even said it wasn't.
My first issue was that I said, did I sleep talk? And then PFG said yes.

Speaker 1 So when my friend lies to me, I do get upset. And then you started confessing what all your dreams are.
I was telling you about my dreams. Everyone loves to hear about people's dreams.

Speaker 1 So I was telling you guys. Hank was like screaming at me.
And I just said to him, I was like, Hank, I am doing the bare minimum of listening to this conversation right now. And he got so upset.

Speaker 1 I've never seen Hank this angry before.

Speaker 1 He was furious for like an hour in the car ride. And he said nothing in his sleep.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Absolutely nothing. Not a word.
Good news. Yeah.
Mystery solved. Mystery is solved.

Speaker 1 Hey, great. You want to apologize for attacking us? No.
No. Have we learned a lesson about pleading the fifth? No.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I would do,

Speaker 1 if the situation played out the same and you guys said yes and then said I plead the fifth and I knew we were going to talk about it on the podcast, I would be just as upset.

Speaker 1 Did you not think something was up when you're like, why didn't you say anything? And we're like, we don't know. Like, that was

Speaker 1 obviously you're going to talk about it on the podcast. You guys made your little plan.
I think you guys, again, yes, was I a little bit paranoid?

Speaker 1 Possibly, in hindsight, you started telling us things you could have said. You were like, if you were OJ, if I did it, you were like, Well, I could have said this and I could have said that.

Speaker 1 We're like, Yeah, I have a bad history of not bad history of sleep talking, but I've said some weird shit in my sleep, and it's like, I don't like that, obviously. And I get anxious about it.

Speaker 1 So, are we good now?

Speaker 1 Ish.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Me and PFT,

Speaker 1 hang on, yeah,

Speaker 1 we good,

Speaker 1 yeah. We're we're fine.
Are we good?

Speaker 1 Because I did way less. I never even said that you were sleep talking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're fine. Okay.
We're fine. Mike, thank you.
Appreciate it. That was, Mike, Kamir, come back for a sec.
When you were watching all of this. Oh, can you handshake me? Why are you mad at me?

Speaker 1 I didn't say yes. I said we're fine.
Mike, was there any moment where you're like, hey, this podcast might be on the ropes right now? Because it did get contentious.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about retirement. There was one point where I thought Hank was not going to show up tonight.

Speaker 1 I went through my mind as well. But they were playing.
I told you, I said they're playing you like a fiddle. You did say that.
I did say that. I said they're playing you like a fiddle.

Speaker 1 You didn't listen to that. Because I said, I was like, I know.
I was like, I'm not even trolling. I'm in neutral right now.
I've got my brain off.

Speaker 1 And you were just winding yourself up on things where you were.

Speaker 1 It was him, my alleged partner. That was what bothered me.
I'm like, PFT, we're supposed to be in lockstep. You're like, I blew the fifth.
I blew the fifth. Great driving, by the way, Mike.

Speaker 1 Sorry for Hank taking that shot. That was fucked up.
That was fucked up. And that that was probably unnecessary.
Yeah. Wait, so you said you were good with PFT.
Are you good with me? Because I didn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I never said more.
I was more good with you than PFT.

Speaker 1 All I did was say nothing. My biggest crime is keeping my mouth shut.

Speaker 1 Wait, you were supposed to be in lost.

Speaker 1 It was literally, I said to him in the middle of it, I was like, Hank, you're chasing your shadow right now. We're not doing anything.
And he just kept getting more and more awesome.

Speaker 1 I'm not acknowledging the fact that you said yes. We just knew that.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 you guys knew what you did.

Speaker 1 You knew what you did. You knew exactly what you did.
You would go on and then we'd be like, are we done? Yeah, I'd say sorry. And then you'd say, that's not a real sorry.

Speaker 1 And I'd be like, you're right. And then

Speaker 1 this is like the one time all week that we haven't had cameras on you guys, by the way.

Speaker 1 I don't know how it would have played out because he probably wouldn't have talked as freely as he was talking. He was really motherfucking us, like saying mean shit to us.

Speaker 1 And let's not act like Hank's mood didn't predate this conversation. Hank has been in the mood all day.
I've been in a great mood all day.

Speaker 1 Wait, and I heard, so this all happened. And then I heard that there was an in the other car, because the RV generator was broken.
So we were driving in cars up here.

Speaker 1 I heard in the other car, there was another fight. Zach and memes.
Max, can you don't

Speaker 1 we just aired ours? They can't

Speaker 1 pretend to not air theirs.

Speaker 1 Come on. I woke up from a nap.
This is a problem. We're doing too many naps, boys.
I woke up from a nap.

Speaker 6 They went to the pit stop.

Speaker 1 Zach came in in the car put shane's camera on the divider he said hey memes i put shane's camera there uh can you move it i just woke up from a nap so i was just like yeah whatever shane comes in uh

Speaker 1 camera hits shane in the knee i was like oh yeah shane i forgot to tell you that that was it max did they fight there's there's no beef no fight there's no fight there's no beef I was not there, but from what I heard from other people in the car, I brought up the incident and everyone was just like defending one side or the other.

Speaker 1 I think it was more of an incident than what it led on to. Memes, come on.

Speaker 1 You can't. No, because you guys both.
You weren't there. Actually, Shane, you were there.

Speaker 1 The men at this table air out their grievances. You guys were your grievances.
I don't think it was a grievances.

Speaker 1 The men at the table, we sit here and we finally tell Hank he said nothing in his sleep. If we had a grievance, I think we would air it.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's disappointing.

Speaker 1 Because you do hate Zach.

Speaker 1 Zach didn't feel like a grievance? It didn't feel like a grievance. Did you feel like they were going after you?

Speaker 1 I didn't think anybody was grievanced whatsoever. I will say everyone took Zach's side in this fight.

Speaker 1 That's why memes hate Zach.

Speaker 1 Well, no, Max just made half that up. Why do you hate Zach? I made none of that up.
You made all that up.

Speaker 1 No, it was my fault.

Speaker 1 Hank? That's big of you. Did you see what he had?

Speaker 1 You want to do the same? No, it's 100% PFT's fault.

Speaker 1 Hank, I kept my mouth shut. I said yes.

Speaker 1 I kept my mouth shut.

Speaker 1 I went to Jared and you said yes.

Speaker 1 The best part is we were sitting in

Speaker 1 a big, like huge SUV, and it was, I was sitting in the front seat with Mike, and then PFT was in the middle two seats, and then Hank was sitting all the way back.

Speaker 1 There was so much room, and we were all in different rows. Yelling at each other.
For no reason.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. All right.
It's good. Grit week.
This is why I love Grit Week. We're all together.
We're together only Tuesday.

Speaker 1 It's only Tuesday. You did yawn like a weirdo, though.
Yeah. Oh, once I was mad.
I was, I was like, you were doing a fucking seal him. I can throw a muzzle on him.
And it's like, no.

Speaker 1 You were just letting him fly in our ears. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 At one point, BFD was just like, can we start working on our Mount Rushmore? He said, no. He's just said, no.
And he's like, I'm going to do it myself. You still haven't done it.

Speaker 1 Hank's still hanging.

Speaker 1 We've both put names on the list. Hank just started telling me like purposely horrible submissions to this mouse.
We're not going to do that, though. I got a separate list.

Speaker 1 I was leading PFP on them. I didn't have a list.
I got a good list.

Speaker 1 All right. National Sports Podcast.
Yep. We were at camp.
Terry McLaurin wants $33 million.

Speaker 1 Something more. $30.
I got a chance to talk to Adam Peters today for a little bit. Okay.
I'm sure he gave me the whole unvarnished truth. I'm optimistic.
I'm optimistic things get done. Okay.

Speaker 1 I did my best. I tried to negotiate with Adam.

Speaker 1 It just mainly devolved into me telling him how good Jaden was and just be like, good job with Jaden. Okay.
I gave that grade an A.

Speaker 1 So you're optimistic, but he does want, he wants, so he wants more than $33 million, which is what DK Mechanics is doing.

Speaker 1 He wants like in the neighborhood of DK money. Okay.
CD's got 30 million. And that's not what Adam told me.
That's just kind of public record. Justin Jefferson has 35 million.
Jamar Chase is 40.3.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So do you think he's in the Jamar Justin Jefferson CD range? Probably not in terms of his age.
Yeah. He's a little bit older than those guys.
How old is CD? CD.

Speaker 1 But he's older than most of those guys they mentioned. Courtland Sutton, that deal that he got done, if anything, that probably makes it more likely.
CD Lamb is 26 years old. Okay, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy.
So Terry's four, I guess, five years older. Yeah.
Four or five.

Speaker 1 But the Cortland Sutton deal, that I think makes it more likely Terry's going to get done because that's less money than Terry's asking for that he got.

Speaker 1 And if you look at their stats from last year, kind of comparable. Terry's better in some areas, but I think that makes it more likely that it gets done.

Speaker 1 I just, it would be, it would be bad vibes going into the season, not having the best player from your team for the last five seasons. Yes.

Speaker 1 The guy that you want to make an example and be like, hey, if you do everything right like this guy and you stick around through like the shittiest years and you're still a good teammate, good player, we'll reward you.

Speaker 1 You want to send that message. I hope that something gets done, but I don't know.
Yeah. So, but it was good being at camp.
It was great being at camp. Yeah.
Got to dap up Jaden.

Speaker 1 I thought that went well. Clean dap.
You crushed that. Yeah.
I did crush it. I think.

Speaker 1 I was getting accused of my dap being bad because, well, what Jaden said, he was like bear's hat as I was going in. So then I went in a little softer.
But then we got a good hug, half hug going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I diagnosed it accurately. It was a three-step dap,

Speaker 1 the hand slap, hug, and then the pop at the end. And then I spent last night thinking of more things to say to him.

Speaker 1 And I went downstairs and I rehearsed it it with Wiper, with Jack behind the scenes, because he's like Jaden's height. So I was like, I'll get a rep in before I go.
And I did the dap and I go,

Speaker 1 all love.

Speaker 1 And the second I said it, I was like, that's bad.

Speaker 1 You said one love. That was bad.
I thought about one love too. One.
Yeah, one would have been good. So at that point, I said, fuck it.
You know what? I'm thinking about this too much.

Speaker 1 I'm going to wing it. And then the only thing I could think of when I dapped him up was just be like, you're so good.
You're so, because that's all I say when he's on TV. And it's natural.

Speaker 1 And yeah, so we're best friends now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I would confirm that. Yeah,

Speaker 1 his eyes lit up when he saw me. You know what? Actually, the best part was when he saw me, he looked at me.
You know what he said?

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. Whoa.
Here comes trouble. Oh.
So, like, kind of bad boy. Yeah.
Oh, here comes a little guy. Yeah.
No,

Speaker 1 memes did call PFT the little guy before the show started. And so that to add to the tension, he said, Where's the little guy? Little guy.

Speaker 1 Memes is towering. What are you, 5'11? Memes?

Speaker 1 Where's the little guy? Yeah. 6'2.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're straight up. Congrats.
6'2.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to get involved. Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 1 I don't love it as much anymore. I kind of love it.

Speaker 1 Trey Hendrickson is going back to Bengals camp. He's holding in now.

Speaker 1 And he's getting charged 50 grand a day, which I feel like that if you're asking for more money and then you've put yourself in a situation where they're taking money away from you, that never really made sense to me.

Speaker 1 And I think in some cases, some ownerships might be able to like work past that. And if you come to a deal, they say, let's figure out a way to forget the 50 grand that you technically owe us.
Right.

Speaker 1 I would guess that the Bengals ownership would not be one of those groups. No.
That would do it. No, they probably spent that already.
Yeah. So he's holding in.
Yeah. He's a hold in.

Speaker 1 We're taking all our outs, turning them into ins. Yeah.
We also had

Speaker 1 Traylon Burks got waived, which officially makes the A.J. Brown deal one of the worst trades ever.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's pretty. Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Yeah, so it's to recap, it was what it was, four years ago or three years ago? How long ago was that? Two years ago? I can't remember. Three years ago.

Speaker 1 Three years ago.

Speaker 1 The Titans traded A.J. Brown to the Eagles.
Eagles won a Super Bowl with A.J. Brown.
He also signed a four-year extension.

Speaker 1 And then the Eagles traded to the Titans the 2022 number 18 overall pick, which was Traylon Burks.

Speaker 1 The 2022 third-round pick,

Speaker 1 which was then traded to the Jets, and then they got

Speaker 1 Roger McCreary,

Speaker 1 a tackle, and a wide receiver. I don't think any of them are on the team anymore.
Okay, shout out. Great.

Speaker 1 That was the move that was done kind of behind Varables back.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Uh-huh.
I would not be happy if I traded away A.J. Brownie.
No, and he's been very good. Yes.
He's been very, very good for me.

Speaker 1 As a Commanders fan, I hate that trade maybe more than the Titans do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd agree. I'm looking to see.
Yeah, the tackle is,

Speaker 1 I think he's a free agent.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that's bad. That's really.
Oh, no, he's on the 49ers. So, yeah, that's bad.
That's really bad in retrospect.

Speaker 1 We also had Corderl Patterson retire. Did it on his own way, which I loved.
He just tweeted it.

Speaker 1 Didn't let anyone else shift or cuck him or anything or rap report. He just said breaking news.
What was the exact tweet? It was a paraphrase from Friday. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He said, breaking news, Pittsburgh Steelers release old, washed up Corderelle Patterson on his day off. Yep.

Speaker 6 And then I think it looked like he went to Chili's.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah. Great move.
Heat his trio. He was having a margarita.
If you're Corderell Patterson, you probably made a lot of money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What better way to celebrate your forced retirement than by knocking back an all-day margarita? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you guys been following your respective camps? Bucks camp. Bears camp has been up and down like crazy.
Yeah, does Ben Johnson like the team?

Speaker 1 I think he's coaching them very hard, and that's actually good because they need to be coached hard. Yeah, there's been a lot of talk.
Obviously, Caleb Williams had a tough start to camp.

Speaker 1 I think today was a little better. Luther Burden got kicked out of, not practice, but like basically like you're not doing any more reps because he wasn't lining up correctly.
I think that's all good.

Speaker 5 You need to coach them hard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there's been talk about him overflowing them with information to start to then make it easier when stress tests. Yeah.
Just put in John Taffering. He's John Taffering.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's all I'm going to go with. I also am just taking the

Speaker 1 similar to the six out of 10 excitement.

Speaker 1 It's just whenever they start playing, if they start winning, then I'll start believing. I'm not going to go crazy about the camp.
I'm being very mature about it. That's good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have to be mature. But also, you're excited to have a coach like this.

Speaker 1 You remember the episode of Seinfeld where George did the opposite? Ben Johnson's like, what would Mark Tressman do? Correct. And then he does the complete opposite.

Speaker 1 Having a competent coach who feels like he's building culture is a big plus in my eyes.

Speaker 1 And I also think that you see a bunch of camps and you're, and we talked to, I think we have, we talked to Von Miller about it today, who will come out maybe next week.

Speaker 1 Like, all the media stuff at camp means nothing. Right.
It's just, there's nothing. He said there's nothing to talk about, so they have to find somebody to talk about.
Best shape of his life. Right.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
Like, oh, this guy's popping. Yeah.
Although I did see an Ash and Gentie highlight and he looked awesome. I would like to be the first to say it on a national sports podcast.

Speaker 1 I think the commanders' rookie running back, Jakori Krosky-Merritt, he goes by the name Bill, which is pretty cool. Nothing his name is Bill.
He's just like, just call me Bill.

Speaker 1 Bill is going to be fucking awesome. Six-round pick, I think, this year.
He didn't play because of his technicality last year. With the number, yeah.
He is smooth as fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he like gave his number to a teammate to wear during a game. And then he lost one of the years when he transferred.
And it was like a big NCAA thing.

Speaker 1 So I don't really, I don't understand what happened, but he's a good teammate, hung out with his team for the whole year, practiced with his team, trained with his team. That dude is going to be good.

Speaker 1 Adam Peters did tell me like he might be the guy.

Speaker 1 So big,

Speaker 1 Jerry O'Connell, I know you're listening. Don't draft him, but pick him up off the waiver wire.
Jerry, we're in big time. Jerry sending us tweets about who he's going to draft season.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Like the rest of the league doesn't know who he is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, one more thing with Jaden. The best part about meeting Jaden, besides his infectious smile on the dap, was

Speaker 1 he just only wanted to talk about the fact that it was Sam Hartman's birthday. Yeah.
He just loves Sam Hartman. He just loves his quarterback room.
And he kept being like, it's Sam's birthday today.

Speaker 1 Hey, guys, did you know it's Sam's birthday? Yeah. So shout out Sam Hartman.
Happy birthday. And Sam Hartman is just as attractive in person.
Yeah, not really that fair.

Speaker 1 I think I actually said that to him. I was like,

Speaker 1 is it weird every now and then waking up and having like the entire

Speaker 1 America TikTok everything being like, this guy's the hottest guy ever? Because it does feel like once a month the internet re-finds out about Sam Hartman.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's, that's not that weird for him. It's probably just awesome.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh, today's the Sam Hartman Day, where some girl made a TikTok and it has 7 billion views being like, check out this hot guy on the Commanders. 3 million likes.
Look at this man's hair.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Other any other football stuff? Pat's going to light it up. Drake May's lighting it up.
Yeah. All good things.
How's he?

Speaker 1 We're going to Eagles Camp tomorrow, but Max, have you seen any stories from Eagles Camp? Jordan Davis, Best Shape of His Life. Okay, good.
Anything from Bucks Camp?

Speaker 1 Biggie Mayfield's fired up about Amika, the wide receiver from Ohio Station. Yeah, you're missing a big thing from Bucks Camp.

Speaker 1 That rookie that they're just not letting play.

Speaker 1 Oh, the fat boy from Florida. I love that guy.

Speaker 1 It's kind of mean what they're doing. They're just making him walk.
He's just walking back and forth. He just has a weighted vest and walking around.

Speaker 1 I want to know what the number is that he has to get to. I'm rooting for the guy.
I am too.

Speaker 1 I mean, if anything, you can point at Florida and be like, Florida did a bad job not getting him ready to play in the NFL. Yeah, I think you guys should do that to me.
Just make you walk.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not allowed to do anything. It also is crazy.
You do have early onset Fleming.

Speaker 1 He's such a large human being that he's wearing a weighted vest and it doesn't look like a weighted vest. Yeah.
It looks like he's wearing like a practice bib.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the heart monitor that goes across his chest. But yeah, I'm rooting for the guy.
I hope he gets out there. Also, Josh Allen took off his hat to shake the hands of veterans.
He's the best.

Speaker 1 Respectful. And then

Speaker 1 he walked away from the autograph line and he saw there was a girl over there crying because she didn't get an autograph. So he ran back and then he proceeded to sign for like another five minutes.

Speaker 1 Okay. So good guy, Josh.
That's his work in the community that we talk so much about. Big time community work.
Also, Shador Sanders lit it up. Yep.
You went nine for nine today? Yep. Pads on.

Speaker 1 Paul's not touching the ground. Yeah.
Hey, what's going on in Jets camp?

Speaker 2 Aaron Glenchang of the Culture.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice. All right.
So, hey, as a change of culture guy to a change of culture guy, it's good, right? It's good. It feels good.
All the players are shitting on Bob, but it is what it is.

Speaker 1 They're shitting on who? Bob Salaw. Oh, okay.
Yeah, like like

Speaker 1 that seems a little bit

Speaker 1 calling him Bob now. No,

Speaker 1 yeah, Bob. It's Bob now.
Okay.

Speaker 1 How fired up was Brick for Madden Day?

Speaker 5 Brick showed up to practice on Madden Day.

Speaker 1 He was wearing all white. He's bricked out.

Speaker 1 He had his watch going. He's always bricked out.
They just got to give him the keys to the castle. Wait, was he wearing a brick watch?

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 we need to get him one.

Speaker 1 We need to get him one.

Speaker 1 Oh, Chargers Camp, anything?

Speaker 1 I like this.

Speaker 1 Around Around the camps. Because it is funny.
You see, obviously, your algorithm sees the team that you root for, and you just, it's like, oh, man, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 1 And then I got to remind myself that's just what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 Everyone's, every team is doing the exact same thing where fans are infighting about how the quarterback looks, how the coach, all this stuff.

Speaker 1 Big thing.

Speaker 1 Quentin Johnston. Surprisingly, really bad drop the other day.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I asked for news.

Speaker 1 That's not news. Oh, he was asking for a really good catch would be news.

Speaker 1 Well, he was looking good for a few days, and then everyone was like, oh, Quentin Johnson's, he's changing for the better, changing for the better. And now everyone hates Quentin Johnson again.

Speaker 1 It is so funny how much we like just hone in on practice. It's literally the headline there is Quentin Johnson dropped a ball in practice.
Yep. But it's a big fucking thing.

Speaker 1 But that disappointed Shane because there were a couple days where he didn't hear about that. Yeah.
And now it's, now it's all over.

Speaker 1 I had to like remind myself and like kind of in touch grass because i read a tweet that was like bears don't convert fourth and 15 and i was like but it's practice yeah no

Speaker 1 i got bummed out when they did the two-minute drill at the end the defense won but then i can just be like the defense is so much better than it was last year defense looks good um okay

Speaker 1 also

Speaker 1 we got maybe more on the christian wilkins story that he the the report now is that he kissed a player's head top of their head my question was which head yes you need to clarify that

Speaker 1 We also heard it might be something else besides that. Okay.
And then they had one of their players, I forget who it was.

Speaker 1 We can look this up, but somebody addressed the media and said, like, if you know somebody that's going through something, talk to somebody. Yeah.
Which was kind of a weird addendum to it.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going on, but it does. I'm going to go back to the first report.
It was weird. Yeah.
Whatever it was was weird. It was weird.

Speaker 1 Okay. I had two quick baseball stories.
Obviously, RIP Ryan Sandberg passed away on Monday night. He was sick with cancer.
Fuck cancer.

Speaker 1 I was lucky enough to meet him like 10 years ago. He's one of those guys, I know we make the joke, but Hall of Fame player, obviously, but also Hall of Fame guy, nicest guy ever.

Speaker 1 And so that was sad.

Speaker 1 There had been like... Not rumors, but like a lot of people were kind of eulogizing him

Speaker 1 on the broadcast last few weeks, which I think is good because you should talk about that, like the people you love. So that was nice, but yeah, really sad.

Speaker 1 cancer. I think he was the first baseball player that I loved.
Yeah. Like that I really liked to watch because I remember I had a Ryan Sandberg glove when I was like five years old.

Speaker 1 I used to watch him on WGN. He's a ball player.
Great defensive. He's a definition of a ball player.

Speaker 1 So many times he'd be up and I would remember hearing Harry Carey say, like, that's a great piece of hitting. Did you see? So Ravel, we've talked about it.

Speaker 1 He's getting a little bit better with his eulogies. Ryan Sandberg, he does have the ticket stubs, but he debuted with the Cubs the day that Harry Carey debuted with the Cubs.
and

Speaker 1 his last game with the Cubs was Harry Carey's last game with the Cubs. That's wild.

Speaker 1 Wild. And Darren Vell showed the tickets that he has.
That's good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other story.

Speaker 1 Bryce Harper went nose to nose with Rob Manfield. That was going to be in my hot seat cool.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, we can save it. Save it.
We can save it. We can save it.
There was the other story that happened.

Speaker 1 The scary story that happened in New York yesterday. Yes.
The gunman broke in. He tried to break into the NFL offices out on Park Avenue.
Hank, you remember that space quite well? Yep.

Speaker 1 I guess he got on the wrong elevator, got off on the wrong floor, and then started spraying, shot an off-duty cop, a security guard, and then

Speaker 1 had a note saying,

Speaker 1 I think I have CTE, study my brain.

Speaker 1 Bad situation all around, but he's dead now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if the NFL is going to want to study his brain that he said that he got injured playing football. Seems like that would probably set a bad precedent.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, just pretty messed up. Very, very messed up.

Speaker 1 Also, Skip Bayless just doesn't know how to tweet about anything. Did you see that? I did not see this.

Speaker 1 He said, thank God the New York City shooter apparently took the wrong bank of elevators and didn't make it to the NFL floors.

Speaker 1 He reportedly bizarrely blamed the NFL for what he believed to be his CTE suffered from playing high school football.

Speaker 1 Four people died? Thank God.

Speaker 1 How does this guy not know how to fucking just

Speaker 1 you don't have to say anything, and then when you do say something, four people died?

Speaker 1 Four people in the NFL office don't their lives don't mean more than the four people who died. Skip Belis was like, well, at least they weren't involved in sports.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 And I know he'd play semantics, but yeah. Did you see also Skip Balis was like, I

Speaker 1 never, I basically forgot for goo, for goo, forgo, forgone, forgone, forgone, for go, forgo, forgotten, Forgotten the.

Speaker 1 No, forgot. Forgade.
Forgade.

Speaker 1 He didn't have kids because he was too committed to the take game.

Speaker 1 He's like, I could have had kids, but I didn't have kids because I knew that I wouldn't be able to give the takes that I'm able to give. That's the wrong way to look at it.

Speaker 1 Like Hank looks at golf, the 18 holes or his 18 children. Your takes should be your children.
Yeah. They'll live on long after you.
And that's true. That's your legacy.
It's good and the bad ones.

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Okay, hot seat, cool throne. Hank.
Yeah, my hot seat is me.

Speaker 1 I just found out that the story I was going to use in my hot seat was fake.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 What was the story? Just run with it.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is the San Francisco Giants. Okay.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Did they hang out with the New York Giants? No.

Speaker 1 Because there was an AI picture going around the internet of the

Speaker 1 AI San Francisco Giants sitting at like Italian dinner fully dressed in uniform with the New York Giants fully dressed in uniforms. Let me rephrase that.

Speaker 1 Was the fake story that they hung out? Nope, the fake story, which is fake. This is not true.
Myself is on the hot seat. Is that Carson Weisenhunt is making his

Speaker 1 MLB debut tonight. Don't tell his parents the Giants accidentally flew Carson Ragsdale's parents to Oracle Field tonight instead.
Ragsdale was DFA'd an hour ago.

Speaker 1 Posey is trying to find his parents in the stands to explain.

Speaker 1 And it's fake. It's not even close to true.

Speaker 1 That would have been quite a story, though. My other hot seat is Sir Anthony Dominguez.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Sir Anthony. I texted him.
I texted him. Yeah, he's on the hot seat.
You could put yourself on the hot seat. I did.
I said that. No, for the car incident.
I don't think that was an incident. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was an incident. It went to incident level.
No.

Speaker 1 I reminded you. I forgot about this until right now.
I said, remember when you said you're done with me forever during Chill Week? And you said, yeah, I'm thinking that's back on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not an incident. I was contemplating retirement, but

Speaker 1 it passed.

Speaker 1 Sir Anthony Dominguez, I'm assuming this is the guy who was the number one prospect. Nope, okay.
Sir Anthony Dominguez.

Speaker 1 This happened while. Can I just back up? Hey, real quick.
Grit week, I think, has the best moments in terms of us, you know, the stories of us being together in the cars.

Speaker 1 It's probably a little light on facts because

Speaker 1 none of us are at a computer. Like, I sat down at my computer the first time today at 8.30 p.m.
Like, we're just not,

Speaker 1 we're not doing, we're not really plugged in. Normally, Hank is all over the news.
Yeah, so Hank, Hank really should get a pass here. Thank you.
He's usually on top of all of you.

Speaker 1 He doesn't get fooled by Mike. It takes a lot to fool Hank.
Yeah. Do none of you guys know this story? No.
This happened. This is Sir Anthony? This happened while we were at,

Speaker 1 we went to an Oreos Blue Jays Jays game today. Oh, I took a double header.

Speaker 1 In the middle of the double header, we were with two players from the Orioles. While that was happening, Sir Anthony Dominguez got traded from the Orioles to the Blue Jays.
What? And walked across

Speaker 1 to the Orioles. What? Wrong.
From the Orioles to the Blue Jays and walked across to their locker room while we were there. What? That's crazy.

Speaker 1 And we fucking missed that. Yes.
Did anyone on the Orioles get traded back?

Speaker 1 A minor league. We should have broken that story.
Yes, yes. We would have been like the first people, literally, to know.
Correct. He probably walked right past us.

Speaker 1 There's a video of him walking to the Blue Jays locker room. Oh, man.
Man. Wow.

Speaker 2 And by the way,

Speaker 1 Camden Yards is awesome. Yeah, Camden Yards, one of my favorite ballparks.
Very, very cool. It's beautiful.
I can't believe we missed that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good hot seat, Hank. Thank you.

Speaker 1 You crushed that story. So, wait,

Speaker 1 do the Giants have two Carsons?

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 1 And imagine if they had flown the wrong one to the business. Believe nothing, folks.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 on that same note.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 This is elegant. I'm loving this show.

Speaker 1 And we've called it. We actually called it at like 7.45 this morning.
We're like, this is the best Hank.

Speaker 1 This is my favorite Hank. Just a little grumpy.

Speaker 1 I'm in a great mood. My cool throne is love, celebrity love.
Oh. Big, big, big week for celebrity couples.
Some real like mad lib couples. Okay.
I got three of them. All right, hit us with them.

Speaker 1 Liam Neeson and Pam Anderson. Love it.

Speaker 1 I'm happy for her. Tom Cruise, Anna DeArmis.
That's kind of just, that's a don't even know that one. Pam Anderson has held the longest.
What? Yes. Yes, you do.
Who is that?

Speaker 1 She is like one of the hottest women on the planet.

Speaker 5 Show me a picture.

Speaker 1 She looks good. Zach, pull up a picture, please.
Pam Anderson, longest

Speaker 1 in my life, longest

Speaker 1 tenure is 1-1. She'll be a babe.

Speaker 1 She held my 1-1 status for a decade. Yeah, she's a babe.
And Anna D'Armis, very attractive woman. Tom Cruise, another little guy.
No, no, no. Not Pam Anderson.

Speaker 1 I know what Pam Anderson looks like, dude. I just think she was my 1-1 for 10 years.
Long woman. What is she in?

Speaker 1 She's in a bunch. Well, tell me something.

Speaker 1 I want to say Wardogs.

Speaker 1 I want to say Wardogs.

Speaker 1 Wait, am I I wrong with War Dogs? War Dogs? Money's in the Crumbs? She's Miles Tells. Lives Out.
Okay. You've never seen War Dogs?

Speaker 1 I've seen War Dogs. She's Miles Teller.
Money in the Crumbs.

Speaker 1 That's.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, yes. Do you remember Rico pretended he came up with that saying for 10 years and I saw War Dogs on a plane and I was like, wait a second.

Speaker 1 All right, Anade Armis, I like her. Yep.
I like her. All right, so love is back.
And no, right now.

Speaker 1 This is the one that's the most hated couple of all time. Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau.
I love it. Yeah.
Like, it's great that these two people are just universally hated and them finding each other.

Speaker 1 It's like we can just focus all our hate on them. It's probably good because they both think that the other person is hated more than they are.
Yeah. Even though they're both wrong.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 they're looking for a hate shield. Yeah.
So it's like, it's not true because it's just day-to-day who's going to be hated more. Yeah.
So shout out. Was that Fidel Castro's son? Is that who? Trudeau.

Speaker 1 That's the conspiracy theory. Oh.
They do look a lot alike. Oh.

Speaker 2 You got a great head of hair.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hasn't done blackface in like 40 years.
Yeah. Katie Perry.

Speaker 1 I think my favorite Katy Perry was.

Speaker 1 Remember when she, when Ellen DeGeneres, there was the whole controversy of how she was like ruthlessly mean to all of her staff, and Katy Perry was like, came out and defended her and was like, she's always been nice to me.

Speaker 1 And we're like, yeah, that's the point.

Speaker 1 You're Katy Perry.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. That was a great hot seat cool thrown.
Thanks. Great job.
Thanks. Thanks, Bad.
Rollercoast.

Speaker 1 Never left. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, my hot seat.

Speaker 1 I hope you don't. I hope you never leave.

Speaker 1 Me too. Okay, great.
Should we tell him what he actually said when he was sleeping? No. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 That was mean VK.

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 1 He doesn't care. He said absolutely nothing.
I don't want another incident. Yeah.
My hot seat.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is Rob Banford.

Speaker 1 Max alluded to it earlier.

Speaker 1 He went into the Phillies Clubhouse on Monday and per Jeff Passen, this this is how the meeting went. Bryce Harper was there.
Quiet for the majority of the meeting.

Speaker 1 Harper, sitting in a chair and holding a bat, eventually grew frustrated and said if Major League Baseball were to propose a cap and hold firm to it, players are not scared to lose 162 games.

Speaker 1 Harper stood up, walked towards the middle of the room, faced Manfred, and said, If you want to speak about that, you can get the fuck out of our clubhouse.

Speaker 1 Manford sources said, responded that he was not going to get the fuck out of here, saying it was important to talk about threats to MLB's business and ways to grow the game.

Speaker 1 Before the situation further intensified, veteran outfielder memes

Speaker 1 tried to diffuse the tension, saying

Speaker 1 it's your guy. No one's memed more Cassianos memes than you.

Speaker 1 I look at memes just like a button that I press, and then he just says, Cassianos. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who said, I have more questions. The meeting continued.
Harper-Manford eventually shook hands. Sources said, though Harper declined to answer phone calls from Manfred the next day.

Speaker 1 So what Manfred did was he went into the locker room and he is pitching the salary cap and he's talking to the players, which, by the letter of the law in the union, I don't think he's allowed to do.

Speaker 1 And the owners won't talk to any player reps from the MLBPA. That all goes through like the collective, whether that's through Manfred or the league office.

Speaker 1 Then it goes out to, they won't speak to anybody from the MLBPA. The same is true of the players and the commissioners.

Speaker 1 So, Commissioner Manford's going there, pitching the salary cap right to the players circumventing the MLBPA.

Speaker 1 And it's their job to hear from the owners and then take that to the rank and file players. And then Harper's like, if you're going to say that, get the fuck out.
Bryce Harper is right.

Speaker 1 Bryce is right about this.

Speaker 1 I have

Speaker 1 my past history with Bryce Harper, and that's just as a Nationals fan. But he's right.
He's right-ish.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? He can afford to

Speaker 1 lose 162 games. Yeah, I'm speaking just in general about Manfred talking to the players away from the ease.
That's what he's right about. That's what he's right about.
And you're right. He can afford.

Speaker 1 The guys at the top can afford to lose 162 games. The guys at the bottom probably do not want to lose.
Probably don't want to lose that money.

Speaker 1 So it's easy for him to say, yeah, we're going to let's draw a line in the sand and we'll just all sit out and go hang out with our families and counter money. Right.
That's easy for him.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 1 But I respect the fact that he was just sitting there holding a bat. Right.
Being like, get the fuck out of my clubhouse. That's so awesome.
All right, your cool throne?

Speaker 1 My cool throne is training camp fights. Kansas City had a training camp fight.

Speaker 1 So I just like that because then Andy Reed gets a chance to get in front of the reporters and probably say something like, guys are just sick of hitting each other. They want to hit somebody else.

Speaker 1 That's my sign that football is officially.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're ready to play someone else. Yeah.
That's why I've said that about wars and aliens. I think Planet Earth could use a good alien invasion because we're sick of beating each other up.

Speaker 1 Not the one that's coming in the football season. No, fuck that.

Speaker 1 It would unite us. We're sick of hitting each other.
We want to take out the best. What if they say we're going to have to pause football to fight the aliens? Or if it's

Speaker 1 a ball stars. I can't afford to do that.
I can't afford to do that. I can't afford to lose football for a week.
Actually, that's probably the other way.

Speaker 1 No, absolutely.

Speaker 1 We can't afford to have another football season.

Speaker 1 We can't afford to go to 18 games. No, no.
Cannot. I will never financially recover from that.
I cannot. All right.

Speaker 1 My hot seats, I have two. The first is Emmanuel Classe because because he is under investigation for betting.
This is just a Guardians thing, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't really understand it. Did you hear about this? Shohei Otani wants to play for the Guardians.
You see this? Ooh. You hear about that? Ooh.
You hear that one? Is that true? No, Ipe.

Speaker 1 Ipe should be the all-time

Speaker 1 translator for the Guardians. That would be very funny.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I saw some of the clips of him pitching, and it's like complete speculation what they're looking into right now, but the speculation is his first pitches were laughably, comically, hilariously bad yeah and uh it's tough for the guardians because i think he was definitely like a piece that could have been traded and they could have gotten a lot back for him because guardians are kind of in that middle ground where they're not really they're just they're probably not going to make the wild card and trading a closer of his caliber would get you a lot back now what do you do i don't know still trade for him there might be some teams if he promises he didn't do it yeah promise he won't gamble anymore promise you didn't do it and then we'll we'll we'll we'll make sure that you can play for us.

Speaker 1 All right, my other hot seat is Bryson, because there was a clip. Bryson's clips,

Speaker 1 my theory with Bryson DeChambeau is that,

Speaker 1 and it's not some novel theory, but obviously he was not liked. He hired a really good PR team.
He did YouTube Golf, which is YouTube Golf channel is awesome.

Speaker 1 He kind of got everyone back on his side. He made peace with the Fire Ants.
Made peace with the Fire Ants. And then he was like, I can do this on my own.

Speaker 1 And then stopped paying his high-level pr team and now we're getting bryson kind of back because he there was a clip that went out of him uh yelling at a fan saying was it i love the banter i love the banter but you can't say miss it i think that was like a rep for live okay don't think that was at like but you can say miss it

Speaker 1 you could you're allowed to say miss it i mean if we learn anything from the brooksy fiasco If you, if Bryson tells people to stop saying something, that generally works. They generally listen, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And they won't just say that all the time every time he takes a shot.
Definitely. You can say miss it.
Don't you agree? Yes. You can say miss it.
You can. So it sounds like you don't.

Speaker 1 I don't think he was. He wasn't saying that to a fan.
I think he was saying that to like, you know, he was made a comment towards like a rep of the league or whatever, and it got caught.

Speaker 1 So when the reps of the league were saying. Why was he saying it to the rep?

Speaker 1 Because he was mad. He missed it, probably.
Was he mad at a fan or something? I don't disagree with you. Other people can say miss it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, you agree that he's maybe stopped paying the PR firm. Yeah.
Because it does feel like it's a very good idea.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it's like when Bryson is in his natural element, or like when he can, you know, can control his YouTube channel and stuff. His videos are great.
They are. Very watchful.

Speaker 1 But I think, yeah, when you see his natural personality, it's still like a little bit, you know. He's just a perfectionist.
Like, he's a super, super like OCD perfectionist. Like you are.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You're a perfectionist for sure. Not quite.

Speaker 1 You aim for perfection.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You're a big-time perfectioner.

Speaker 1 All right. My cool throne is Luca is skinny.
Yeah, he looks great. He looks awesome.
So credit to Nico? Credit to Nico.

Speaker 1 Credit to Nico. GM of the year.
Yeah. I don't.
So he's on the cover of men's fitness right now. So he went from being traded because he was too fat to play sports to being the epitome of male fitness.

Speaker 1 Good for him. Good for him.
Also, still kind of crazy. It took that long to get in shape, but we all take our different journeys.
We need wake-up calls.

Speaker 1 I just don't understand how you can play that much basketball and be fat. It takes some hard work.
It takes a lot of hard work. It takes a lot of hard work.
He was committed to it.

Speaker 1 Do you think it was easy for him to lose the weight? And he's like, damn, I should have probably done this. I think he probably just started smoking.

Speaker 1 What if he just skipped lunch and he just lost all the weight?

Speaker 1 He hired a professional chef. Right.
Like an in-house chef. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 he credited his new body to a gluten-free diet. Oh, okay.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Is that going to affect him on the court?

Speaker 1 I don't know. He looks great.
Looks like he's in fantastic shape.

Speaker 1 I would also like to add that we today with the seafood, a lot of that seafood is gluten-free. We could also be on our way to looking like Luka.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 I wake up tomorrow morning. I'm 16 crackers.
So much gluten-free. That's a little bit of gluten, but

Speaker 1 some of like fried shrimp. Shrimp, gluten-free.
The fried, not so much. What about the ice cream? Ice cream, gluten-free freedom.

Speaker 5 My parents just brought a million hoagies for us.

Speaker 1 Are they gluten-free? They're not. Okay.
All right, so we're so excited for one of them. We can still get there.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 1 My other cool throne is Maxion because this guy went viral for defending Maxion honor on a YouTube comment. This is from TKing701.

Speaker 1 He said, congrats on your five-star recruits in $100 million facilities, SEC fans.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, the MAC is out here playing real football in front of 14 people in a raccoon on Tuesday night during a blizzard.

Speaker 1 You ever seen a punter throw a touchdown to a long snapper while the scoreboard's on fire? Didn't think so.

Speaker 1 While you're all busy arguing over which frat-funded dynasty is slightly less fraudulent, Toledo's cooking up a triple-reverse flea flicker in a game that ends 43-42. I remember that game.

Speaker 1 After six missed PATs and a goal post gets stolen. That's not football.
That's Maxion. You wouldn't survive one quarter in Ypsilanti.
That's a great point. I love this guy.
It's a great point.

Speaker 1 I need more from him.

Speaker 1 I like the part about you guys spend all your time arguing with each other over which team is less fraudulent. That's what college sports is.
That's why we love that game.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't survive one quarter in Ypsilanti. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hot seat cool terror.
This is a big one.

Speaker 1 So my hot hot seat today is there was another CEO-based rug pool that happened here recently. Okay.
So there's an esports organization and collective FaZe Banks

Speaker 1 is the current CEO of FaZe Clan. And so what had happened was

Speaker 1 there's a rug pool here. MLG is a meme coin.
So they pumped the meme coin

Speaker 1 earlier in the year.

Speaker 1 FaZe Banks was on Aiden Ross's stream with a few of his crypto-based gentlemen.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 a couple of his crypto-based gentlemen. And

Speaker 1 it's strictly about the meme coin. Strictly about the community.
Okay, it is a meme coin.

Speaker 1 Yes. And so they introduced it to the audience, audience bought in the community, yes.

Speaker 1 Introduced to the community. They introduced the project to the community.

Speaker 1 This has utility. This will be great for everyone.
We should check this out. And there's no way to say for sure if he did do it or did not do it.

Speaker 1 Oh, he specifically said he made a statement that he didn't. He did.
That's the tricky part.

Speaker 1 It's like two words against each other right now.

Speaker 1 And it's like, if he didn't do it, you hate to see that because it's such a stain on your reputation to say, oh, you, you, you basically robbed all these people blind. I have a question.

Speaker 1 And if so, you know. Has there ever been a meme coin that was launched that wasn't a rug pull?

Speaker 1 That's a great question. Probably not.
All right. Yeah, that's solid.
Could you tell us? Doge? Dogecoin? I still do hold a significant part of my investments are tied up in Doge right now.

Speaker 1 Long-term Doge. Waiting for the moon.
I like that. Okay, so what's the coin at right now? Is it like done? I know the coin is tanked, sir.
All right. What does this have to do with

Speaker 1 who do you want to be the new phase CEO?

Speaker 1 They introduced FaZe Rugg as a new CEO of FaZe Clan, temporary CEO, as FaZe Banks has stepped down. FaZe Banks stepped down? He did step down.

Speaker 1 He says, step away from the internet, stepping away from the

Speaker 1 role of CEO, and I just want to say, everybody, be careful. Maybe don't mess with meme coins.
Okay. Maybe it's not a good territory.
So he's in the hot seat because if he did it, not cool.

Speaker 6 If he didn't do it, that's super unfortunate for people to say.

Speaker 1 Okay. What would you do differently if you were CEO of FaZe? I just probably wouldn't get in the meme coin game.
Yeah. And what does FaZe do?

Speaker 1 A collective organization, entertainment organization. And what do they do? All sorts of things.
So they'll do like

Speaker 1 lots of YouTube videos, product as well. So

Speaker 1 what are the YouTube videos about?

Speaker 1 I assume one the other day, somebody bought their mother a car. That was a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 Who are their biggest guys?

Speaker 1 Some of the biggest guys include a former CEO.

Speaker 1 Well, he's not

Speaker 1 down. Yeah.
He does a lot of lifestyle stuff. So, you know, just like, well, he's not, but he's not.
He's not there.

Speaker 1 What's their core business?

Speaker 1 And then Rugg, the second CEO, he does a lot of lifestyle stuff as well. Okay, what's their core business?

Speaker 1 Family friendly. How'd they get famous? They've got a spin.

Speaker 1 The internet would be the core there. They do have like some side hustles to get into that is like

Speaker 1 gaming related.

Speaker 1 I actually kind of, I think I'm going to lift my ban on you talking about gaming just because every time you talk about it, like this, an account with like 5 million followers tweets, like, shout out Zach from Pardon My Tape.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Faze is going to be doing that one tomorrow.

Speaker 1 I mean, they say he lifestyle. They're a lifestyle.
Aiden might say something nice about you.

Speaker 1 He seems like a straight shooter.

Speaker 1 I just want to say, Rug pulls aren't cool. I hope he didn't do it.
It's sorry to see people lose money. And you're right that this did have to do with gaming.

Speaker 1 I didn't think of it because I was trying to focus more on the mean point. That's on me.

Speaker 1 Have you been rug pulled?

Speaker 1 I'm not good enough with, I don't, I'm not even good enough. A savings.

Speaker 1 I felt bad, by the way. The way you said that, I felt, that felt a little personal no I did get got on like a like an NFT situation

Speaker 1 not a top shot guy like a what was the NFT situation I don't even remember what it the what it was called but it sounded so good on Twitter and I was like well maybe

Speaker 1 I lost like five horses it was like it was worse it was like a doodle of a just like a dude for a while we got paid in

Speaker 1 like doodle bros

Speaker 1 get in on this lost everything sounds pretty good yeah I think it's worth like maybe like 60 cents now okay hold on to that you want a Marcus Smart top shot? I got one for you. You don't want that.

Speaker 1 I'll trade you the Doodle Bro for the Marcus Smart. Yeah.
What about Alex Caruso or Chase Down Block top shot? That actually might have gone up. Yeah, I should check it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm hoping to do some trades. I can check it out.
Okay. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 All right, your cool turn? My cool throne was Luca's body because he is looking hot now. I'm sorry if you're sick.

Speaker 1 So that's how me I should have come with multiple cool thrones. I would like to give

Speaker 1 you well, you did none. I had a cool throne.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not. I had a cool throne.
I had three of them. I would like to say my

Speaker 1 three

Speaker 1 cool throne would be max's lovely parents coming in bringing treats for everybody today i think that was awesome

Speaker 1 that was an all-time also confirmed lovely parents max max's mom uh enjoys us riling max up she was like i i belly laugh in the car so he's you he's used that sometimes against us being like my mom's not gonna like this

Speaker 1 she loves also said there's things that she doesn't like was it oh the the girl the girl conversation no she said that was funny yeah oh she did

Speaker 1 yeah she said i i believe the direct quote was i was listening to the girl conversation in the car from Monday's part of my take, and I was belly laughing as loud as listen to the girl conversation.

Speaker 1 That's true, because

Speaker 1 you thought the sleep talking. Silly first fight.
You thought the sleeping

Speaker 1 sleep talking almost broke up this podcast.

Speaker 1 We just sat at Ravens' facility

Speaker 1 yelling about Max. Well, Big Catalog,

Speaker 1 being a pedophile? Every employee of the Ravens agreed with us

Speaker 1 would come up to our area, and the first thing Big Cat would do was ask them a loaded question to be like, This guy's a pedophile. And

Speaker 1 it was people that I don't know, and it was without context. And it was like, Max is a pedophile, which is literally the worst thing that you could possibly say about another.

Speaker 1 Like, it's worse to be called a pedophile than a murderer. Like, pedophile is by far the worst thing that you could say.
And it was because I said, I like girls, which is like such a common thing.

Speaker 1 Stop saying,

Speaker 1 and everyone on the internet just kept on coming up with responses that I should have had.

Speaker 1 And I am. Did you guys unload them real quick?

Speaker 1 Gilmore Girls.

Speaker 1 Wait, no, Golden Girls. Yeah.
Golden Girls

Speaker 1 was the first one.

Speaker 1 No, that's also incorrect.

Speaker 1 Rory Gilmore was definitely.

Speaker 1 How about the mom?

Speaker 1 And it's about the both of them. Okay.
It's about the both of them. And the grandma.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You spent a lot of time. Girlfriend.

Speaker 1 Yep. Girlfriend.
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Girlfriend is good.

Speaker 1 We said girlfriend, though. Yep.
Yep. You guys said girlfriend.
Saturdays are for the boys.

Speaker 1 Girl and girl. That was bad.

Speaker 1 Yep. You guys said that one.
My favorite look because I was guilty as charged.

Speaker 1 I was asking very loaded questions was when Max almost, I think he kind of stormed off because I asked Mike, who you heard earlier in the show, who was...

Speaker 1 a former MYPD detective, I said, if you got a call to the station, they said there's a missing girl,

Speaker 1 what would you be looking for? He's like, someone under 18. I was like, there you go, Max.
Like, this is fucking bullshit. It's a load of questions.

Speaker 1 He's been pretty upset. We did call a truce.
Yeah, we got you. You had to calm down, dude.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that was Monday. That feels like 10 years ago.
The podcast almost broke up over that. Just one point of data.
I did look up Age of Consent in Italy. That's 14 years old.

Speaker 1 So there you go, Max.

Speaker 1 I have a question for the two of you.

Speaker 1 I have a question for you. Okay, can I ask first? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to talk about the two fights that happened this weekend. One person got accused of pedophilia to random strangers for three hours, and the other person

Speaker 1 was lied to.

Speaker 1 Who got more angry between the two of us?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank. Hey, it was Hank.
He was way angrier.

Speaker 1 Hank was way angrier. Can you answer my question now?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You didn't ask it yet.
I was trying to think of what you asked me. Yeah, yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What's your favorite age of a girl? See, you've been trying

Speaker 1 to, he will not answer that question. I will not answer that question.
He will not answer that question. I don't think there's a good answer, damning,

Speaker 1 damning, very damning, very damning. All right, well, perfect segue because we're gonna do Mount Rushmore, so let's do it.
Mount Rushmore of uh TV moms

Speaker 1 and Max, don't take

Speaker 1 16 pregnant, yep,

Speaker 1 don't take you said that joke, don't take the chick from Juno. You've already said this joke.
I said it to Max. I said it to Max one time.

Speaker 1 All right. For clarification on the graphic, I think it should be the name of the mom and then parentheses TV show.
Does that make sense? Yes. Yeah.
Not the actress.

Speaker 1 So it's name of the mom, then the TV show. I just want to say I have complete and total confidence in my boy Hank.
We started Notes App and Hank just said, I got the ball.

Speaker 1 And then he loaded up some terrible, terrible names to the list just to make me sweat, I hope.

Speaker 1 I think it was just him being like a

Speaker 1 faceless terrorist creating this list. But Hank, you got this? I have faith in you.
Your first, Hank? Oh, memes, do you have anything you want to say to

Speaker 1 second or third? To Hank? Now that it's 20, what is it, 23, 22, 21?

Speaker 1 So they've won back-to-back Mount Rushmores. Anything you want to say? Keep that same energy? Great job, Hank.
Oh, okay. That's great.

Speaker 1 Great job, Hank. Keep the same energy.
Thank you. What? No.
When you went after Zach.

Speaker 1 No, Zach was Zach. We were being like, oh, you guys quit so early.

Speaker 1 I would just like main conversation in the booth.

Speaker 1 We actually stayed strong and stayed true to ourselves.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Mike. Not after you had a whole tizzy and you're like, I want Mountain Rush more to end.
I fucking hate this. Well, I just wanted football to be back.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 It is back Thursday. Thank God.
Me and I are going to suck at this Mountain Rush more, by the way. What's the, you guys have second pick?

Speaker 1 First. You guys have first? You guys have second? I'm not happy about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because we went second last time. Okay.
Okay. I don't know.
We've been doing this for nine years and we still don't know how to do it. Yeah, we went first last time.

Speaker 1 Game seven. I'm putting my hand up.
I still don't, like, I say it to Zach every time. I'm like, what pick do we have? Yeah, when we go in a very specific order every time.

Speaker 1 All right, service to you, screenshot my email. Can I take a photo of this? Yes.
All right, but don't show them.

Speaker 1 He's got his meta glasses. I'm going to go meta glasses.

Speaker 1 We're going to do it behind the scenes. He's got his meta glasses on.
So be careful. How are you feeling about Mount Rushbus? I feel actually really strong about this.
Okay, great.

Speaker 1 Our friendship is as strong as ever. All right, so say the name of the character and then say the show.

Speaker 6 Obviously,

Speaker 1 We're not going to be going. So it's just TV moms.
TV moms. Yeah.
TV moms. Best TV moms.

Speaker 6 Just TV moms.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I think I said best.
I'll just say

Speaker 1 that. Yeah, TV moms.
No, let's just rip it. Best is redundant.
It's not Rushmore. Rip it.

Speaker 1 Just rip it. Just rip it.

Speaker 7 We're going to play it safe.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 No, rip it.

Speaker 1 Rippy Taylor, Friday Night Lights. Okay, good pick.

Speaker 1 Good pick. That wasn't ripping it.
I want you to rip it.

Speaker 1 We were bouncing through four. Yeah,

Speaker 1 we got a couple. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to go with Marge Simpson from The Simpsons. Great.
Great. Great pick.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We're going to go with, I think we go two and six. Keep it in the middle.
Stay strong.

Speaker 1 Two, six, two. What do you think about? What do you think about four?

Speaker 1 Just as an idea.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 If you'd like to do that, we can.

Speaker 1 Is 2-4 cool? I think 4 is drawn. All right, go.
Let's do it. You say him both.
Let's get ripped for.

Speaker 6 You ripped 2.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We were going to go Lois Griffin. We actually liked her more than Marge, but

Speaker 1 one or the other. If you guys took Lois, we were going to take Marge.

Speaker 1 It was going to basically be that. Fair.
Love Lois Griffin. Great pig.
All right. We would see hotter.
She's hotter. She is hotter.

Speaker 1 How would Marge puts her hair down, though? No, but we said, PETA.

Speaker 1 Oh, Pete. Yeah, there's something hot about that.
There's something hot about that.

Speaker 1 We would also like to take Aunt Becky from Fool House. Yes.
Lori Laughlin. Yes.

Speaker 1 Good pick. Yes.

Speaker 1 What's her name? Aunt Becky. Okay.

Speaker 1 What season did she become?

Speaker 1 She was a mom at the end. She had twins.
Twin boys. Twin boys.
Late mom. Yeah, yeah.
But her name is... Aunt Becky.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 But she's a mom. Yeah.
Hot mom, too. She is hot.
And dangerous. She is hot.

Speaker 1 And a great mother. And a great mother in real life.
But bad tasting men.

Speaker 1 John Stanley's family. Yes, John Stanley was.
She's barely not a mom.

Speaker 1 Her name is barely a mom, but that's fine. John Staylor was a moment.
When we talked about denouncing her mother, stay away. You're taking away her children? Whoa.
What are you ice?

Speaker 1 No, she was not her dad. What are you, fucking ice?

Speaker 1 When I think of Aunt Becky, I think of her. Okay.
All right. Well, I mean, she was very motherly in the whole show.
It's a good pick. Okay.

Speaker 1 Speaking of moms that are kind of not really moms, but we're going to go with the mother of dragons.

Speaker 1 Daenerys Targaryen. Great pick.
Great pick, Hank. That is a good pick.
Great pick. Awesome.

Speaker 1 That actually, when Memes says that, I've noticed something about him. He doesn't think it's a good pick.

Speaker 6 No, I think it's a good pick. That just means we have our picks on.

Speaker 1 No, we had that on their list. No, but there's two.

Speaker 2 There's two.

Speaker 1 She doesn't have any children. Dragons.
Yeah. You can get you.
She can burn them. You can rip.
She raised them.

Speaker 1 She literally came out of the fire. We have two of them.
She went with eggs and came out with two children. She's not the stepmom.
She also

Speaker 1 had

Speaker 1 whatever. Actually, no.
You go. You go.
No, Hank. You go.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Hold on.
Hank's cooking. Hank's cooking.
She had whatever? Yeah. He's right.

Speaker 1 Go on. What's the cooking? What's the verbiage I'm thinking of?

Speaker 1 C-section?

Speaker 1 She was pregnant and the baby died. Miscarriage.
Oh. Miscarriage.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Great. You don't even want to scare me.
I didn't want to say it. I just didn't want to.
I didn't went down that road.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Will you guys be going?

Speaker 6 You have two picks. We are going to go with

Speaker 1 Gloria for Modern Family. Okay.
All right. Sophia Vergara.
Okay. And then your next pick?

Speaker 1 We're panicking. I feel like that was just a boobs pick.
Was that a boobs pick? That was a boobs prairie pick. That was a straight.

Speaker 2 She's good. She's a good player.

Speaker 1 She's a phenomenal mom. That was a straight boobs pick.

Speaker 1 You think?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I've never seen the show.
I haven't seen it completely. They spoiled it.

Speaker 1 Come on. Should we rip it? Yeah,

Speaker 1 Carmella Soprano.

Speaker 1 We don't know. No.

Speaker 1 I mean, she great acting. Yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 We knew that. We knew that.

Speaker 1 We knew that. We panicked.
We panicked.

Speaker 1 She just won't let Tony live.

Speaker 1 My favorite scene, I've been re-watching the whole Sopranos,

Speaker 1 when they separate and Tony's like moving out and he somberly goes into the house to pack up all his stuff. But the only thing he packs, he goes to the fridge and he gets the cold cuts out.

Speaker 1 He tells the kids that that he's leaving, he puts the cold cuts in his bag, and then heads up.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I think that's good. Third-round ballot cinema, okay.
His third-round pick, okay. Yeah, I don't know.
I think that was missed. It's okay, okay.
Soprano, just the name works on a graphic.

Speaker 1 Well, that's just panda. That's that's come on.
What are we doing then? What are we doing Mon Rushmore for if we're just doing it for the graphic? I feel like all Max does, that's all he's ever done.

Speaker 1 That's the only reason he's good at this game. That's crazy.
What you guys said, he's calling you a graphic merch. He said that he saw it.
You're a graphic merchant.

Speaker 1 They spoiled it. I think when you compare it to Olivia Soprano, she's a great TV mom.

Speaker 1 All right. We are going to go with not the best mother, but a great TV mother, Lucille Booth.
Bluth. Great pick, Hank.
Yeah. Great pick.
That's a good pick. Yeah, it's a good pick.

Speaker 1 That little C-word. Motherboy.
That's a show I have seen. Motherboy.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Can we be strong here?

Speaker 1 What do you think? Six? Let's be strong.

Speaker 1 That's what I say when I'm not saying

Speaker 1 that. Jack the fucking motherfucker.
Let's fucking be strong. All right?

Speaker 1 I think it's you got to stay in the middle with six. Yes.
And then you either go seven or five. I think maybe seven.

Speaker 1 Seven or five. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like them both. Seven or five.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think we go six, seven.

Speaker 1 I think I would.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we can get six, seven. Very much not being graphic merchants because she is.

Speaker 1 I would say the best mother in all of these picks, mother-wise in terms of the sitcom, it's Claire Huxable on on The Cosby Show. She's a quintessential mother.
All right. You a big fan of the show?

Speaker 1 I'm a fan of Claire Huxable. Again,

Speaker 1 we're not being merchants for the graphics. Yeah, no, I thought about doing...
See, you guys fucked me.

Speaker 1 I thought about this, but you would have said I was a pedophile if I said that. No, no, no, no.
Bill Cosby. Yes, you would have.
You would have followed.

Speaker 1 I have multiple picks on here that I didn't say because you would have said I was a pedophile. You agree she's a great mother.
How many pedophiles did you think about when you're making this list?

Speaker 1 I thought about you guys calling me a fucking pedophile, and this guy's a pedophile because he likes Bill Cosby. No, wait,

Speaker 1 weren't they of age?

Speaker 1 Max is making some good points. I don't know.
I don't think that's what he went to jail for. All right, so you're pro-rape? No, I'm not.
I'm definitely not. Definitely not.

Speaker 1 I didn't pick Bill Cosby, bro. I didn't pick Bill Cosby.
You picked his wife. Probably knew all about it.
His wife, his fictional wife.

Speaker 1 How does it feel? It feels fine because I'm not panicking like you.

Speaker 1 You want me to panic like you? Well, you would have to bring it up.

Speaker 1 Well, you also brought it up like 50 times. Well, no, that's not true.
It was like 100.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.
And then our last one, we're going to pick the better mom from the show they just picked, Claire Dumphy from Modern Family. Yeah.
She's, I mean, she's the best.

Speaker 1 She's just died in Happy Gilmore. Yeah.
And she also is like... Spoiler.
Listen, I love Sofia Vergara, but like

Speaker 1 in our dumb male brains, we're like, that's she's insane. Claire Dumphy's like, oh,

Speaker 1 I could maybe date her. Yeah.
Even though I can't, but, you know, in your head.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're like, and she's so cool and fun down to earth. Yeah.
Like, she'd go for a guy like me, probably. Yeah, right.
Like, she's got an idiot husband. I got to say that.

Speaker 1 This is a terrible take, but continue. What are you talking about? This makes her a better mom.
Sophia Vergara. I understand what, but

Speaker 1 she's. We're not talking.
Yeah. We're not talking sex singles to her.
Oh, wait. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Never mind.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to get mad. I'm not going to mad.
Go on.

Speaker 1 How are you getting? I'm not going to get mad. It's our last pick.
Yeah. We are going to go with Kitty from that 70s show.
Okay. Good pick, Hank.
Another one that I was.

Speaker 1 I thought I was going to get. Jesus Christ.
You're seeing what? Because of who? Danny Masterson? You got it.

Speaker 1 She wasn't his mom. She was his mom.

Speaker 1 But there was Ashley Kutcher.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 there was shit going on during that show.

Speaker 1 Not, well,

Speaker 1 we're not talking about the Ashley.

Speaker 1 I think that

Speaker 1 was so wrong. That's wrong.
It was just the Ashley Kutcher shit was going on during that show.

Speaker 1 It was just true.

Speaker 1 Do you realize we're picking characters? I know, you guys fucked me up. You guys fucking called me a profile for three days, and I didn't want it to happen again.

Speaker 1 It was only after Kitty got out of the picture that all those kids went astray. She was a great mom.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 she wasn't able to. You separate the art from the artists a little bit.
At least the Bill Cosby one. It's like that's his direct wife.
Yeah. You can make that joke.
But it's also. She was not her.

Speaker 1 And these are, again, fictional characters we're we're talking about. We're not picking the actresses, we're picking the fictional characters.
You guys have made bigger stretches before, for sure.

Speaker 1 I got a question for you guys. Is that a good pick? How many,

Speaker 1 hey, Max? Wait, how many?

Speaker 2 How many people did Tony Soprano kill?

Speaker 1 I didn't watch the show.

Speaker 1 A lot of murders. I would.
A lot of murders.

Speaker 1 I'm so happy for you.

Speaker 1 How many times did Carmella look the other way? Yeah. Because she got a nice, fancy new ring.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How many times, Max? I'm welcoming that. She emotionally cheated on Tony with the priest.
Bad. And with Furio.
Furio.

Speaker 1 Homophobia? She almost got Furio murdered. I don't care about this.
Just stacking them up.

Speaker 1 And she let Tony. Did she actually bang Furio? No, just emotionally.
Emotionally. She did also.

Speaker 1 She let Tony talk to her daughter's boyfriend. That's what I say.
Racism. Very racist.
Racism. Homophobia.
Wait, no. Hey, wait, pull the list back up.
I think our list sucks.

Speaker 1 They fucked me. Great job, Hank.
We're so back.

Speaker 1 Great job by Hank.

Speaker 1 Relax.

Speaker 1 Relax.

Speaker 1 Relax, but it's not his problem.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter. They just picked Ant Beck.
Relax. That's on me.
Okay. So you guys.
We have a good list. No, we did.
We didn't pick Ant Beck.

Speaker 1 That's on me. You take it.
Ant Becking is a good pit. It's just a problem.

Speaker 1 Ant Veb is our pick.

Speaker 1 Which one? The character.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're actually playing that. Which one? No, no, no.
Two different people.

Speaker 1 No, you literally just said we are talking about fictional characters. We are taking the character of Ant Viv.
It's a completely different person. That's the answer.

Speaker 1 It was clearly there was a clone of Ant Viv.

Speaker 1 That is the answer. Second one.
Viv, you had to pick. Second one.

Speaker 1 Second one or first one. You literally just made this statement.
So you're into trafficking because what they did to Ant Viv 1, we don't know.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 And Viv 1 disappeared was far superior.

Speaker 1 It was an easy question. Fine.
That's the pick. She disappeared.
Aunt Viv is the pick. Okay.

Speaker 1 So you just yelled at us for picking Aunt Becky. And then you picked an aunt.
Well, yeah, but she was. No, that's what I said.
Yeah, but so is Aunt Becky. His response was.

Speaker 1 I mean, there was no mom because she died, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but rest in peace. Rest in peace.
I think Uncle Joey could have been a better pick for mom.

Speaker 1 What? Okay,

Speaker 1 that role of the mom. Bad spots.
Ray Conviv some bad spots.

Speaker 1 Becky didn't replace the role of the mom. That was bad.
Uncle Jesse and not Uncle Joey. He wasn't ever an uncle.
That is a weird thing. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 You're an uncle. You're giving a mom.
What? He wasn't. They replaced the role of the mom.
Aunt Becky did not replace the mom.

Speaker 1 No, but you're just saying the guy that isn't even an uncle, a real uncle, he's now a mom.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 What? Are you a bad person? Honorable mentions.

Speaker 1 Max, you need to straighten yourself out. You guys.
We have a good list.

Speaker 1 Only one that

Speaker 1 there's two on our list that didn't get taken at that.

Speaker 1 Estelle Costanza. Yeah.
Great mom for two. Also, Marie Barone.
Everybody loves Raymond. Yeah.
Yeah. Never watched that show, though.
Peg Bundy. Peg Bundy, we had on our list.
Great mom.

Speaker 1 Jill Taylor, Home Improvement. Yeah.
Great mom. What about Roseanne? Yeah, I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 She's a good mom. She's a good mom.
Yeah. Better better mom than when she's not being a mom.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Linda Belcher. Who's she? Bob's Burgers.
Neither of us watched it, so we didn't want to pander, but I guess she's. Watch that show.

Speaker 1 She's big. She's a good mom.
Would have been a good pick. No one wanted to take Cersei?

Speaker 1 Nah.

Speaker 1 Susie from Curb probably wouldn't play, but I do love her character.

Speaker 5 She's very funny.

Speaker 1 I almost said Lori Gilmore at the end, just to say, fuck you guys. She is actually a great mom.
Yeah, hot. You could have.
I thought by taking Amy, I watched that show. I'd like to say

Speaker 1 she was a great mom. One of the Gilmore girls is hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the mom.

Speaker 1 He's losing his mind. Girls was Monday.
He's losing his mind. This is mom's.

Speaker 1 He's literally lost his mind. Max, you think about taking.
That's crazy. You think about taking Juno?

Speaker 1 Was Juno on your list?

Speaker 1 You guys. He's losing his mind.
You guys are.

Speaker 1 Harriet Winslow from

Speaker 1 Family Matters. Family Matters, yeah.

Speaker 1 The mom from

Speaker 1 what was the

Speaker 1 fuck, I can't even think right now. The second Aunt Viv was on my list.
Boy Meets Worlds. That mom was cool.
Amy Matthews. I love Amy Matthews.

Speaker 1 And the mom from Seventh Heaven. I couldn't think of her name, though.
Oh, wow. The guy.
True.

Speaker 1 I thought it was.

Speaker 1 I remember that one.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that one.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. What did you say?

Speaker 1 One of the funniest I'm not going to act. I won't get into it.
Did you?

Speaker 1 Did you think about taking the Duggars? Oh, my God. Mrs.
Duggar. I don't know what that is.
Did you think about taking Kate from John and Kate Plus 8?

Speaker 1 We had Cartman's mom.

Speaker 1 The mom from Everybody Hates Chris. Oh, yeah.
You had that list. Oh, what about

Speaker 1 Jane, whatever her last name is, from Malcolm in the Middle. Yes.
Great mom, great mom, Carol. UW-Madison grad.
Oh, really? That's she was like the most famous person, not an athlete.

Speaker 1 So just hold on to that one. Great actress.

Speaker 1 Peggy Hill, King of the Hill. Peggy Hill did that.
Yeah. Carol Brady.
I know. There's old old shows.
Like, who can? Never really watched it. Yeah.
I've watched maybe an episode of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. We got any others?

Speaker 1 Good Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 We got to get straight in. We got to get him out.
We got to get straight out of this. We got to get out of it.

Speaker 1 We got to. Great week's got to end.
We need Great Week's gone.

Speaker 1 Great weeks gone to the end.

Speaker 1 We need to go back to Chill Week. We have a good list.

Speaker 2 Do we? Yes.

Speaker 1 We'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's get to our interviews.
We got John Harbaugh, Roquan Smith, and then we are going to finish with some guys on chicks.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest, recurring guest.

Speaker 2 You came up one very short on that.

Speaker 1 Very. Good coaching point.
Maybe that's, maybe you'll get the extra very this year. It is Grit Week presented by Hey Dude.
It is coach John Harbaugh, recurring guest.

Speaker 1 And we start every Grit Week interview the same.

Speaker 1 How would you define the word grit?

Speaker 2 Grit. Grit is being of, I wish you'd have given me a heads up on that, but grit is, I would say grit, you know it when you see it.

Speaker 2 It's the ability basically to not care what happens to you and just keep going.

Speaker 2 They say,

Speaker 2 I read this this summer. I'm going to try to get it right.
We may have to do a couple takes on this, but they say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Speaker 2 Then I read this, and it was from World War II concentration, Holocaust type deal. What doesn't kill me doesn't bother me.

Speaker 2 What doesn't kill me doesn't bother me.

Speaker 1 Think about it.

Speaker 1 I'm not dead. I'm not dead.
I'm not dead.

Speaker 2 You're not dead. You can't bother me.
You can't get to me.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 2 I think that's the definition of grit. I like that.
What doesn't kill me doesn't bother me.

Speaker 1 Is there a guy that stands out as the grittiest player you've ever coached?

Speaker 2 Hey, we had some gritty guys. You know, you think about Ray Lewis is pretty gritty.
Ed Reed, kind of gritty. Kelly Gregg, here's a gritty one for you.
A lot of grit.

Speaker 2 A lot of grit in Ravens and Ravens world. Danny Woodhead?

Speaker 1 Grit.

Speaker 2 Gritty guy. Gritty golfer, too.
Gritty golfer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 A good golfer. Yeah, he is.

Speaker 2 He hasn't made the tour yet, though, has he? No, he told me he was going to make the tour.

Speaker 1 He came like one stroke away from qualifying for for the usop a couple years ago yeah so he's yeah he's damn good

Speaker 2 yeah patrick ricard i would say also pretty gritty kind of gritty kind of gritty yeah and you got to be gritty to line up again go against patrick ricard too that's true because that could kill you actually uh all right so first day of pads we're here in baltimore what does it feel like first do you still get that juice first day of pads where it's like you feel you feel the energy you feel something different you do it's a little different like you walk in the guys are always we have an intense group of guys they're locked in very intentional about everything they do and then just a little more locked in.

Speaker 2 Just dial it up a couple more notches. Guys are ready.
Football's played in pads, you know? That's how football is played.

Speaker 2 Flag football is not played in pads, but football, football is played in pads.

Speaker 2 That's how we do it. So finally, we get to practice the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a great time of year. I noticed you've been getting jacked recently.
I saw you on last year's hard knocks. Yes.
I saw a video.

Speaker 1 You were squatting 405 pounds for reps at 62 years old. Is that what you're up to 405 now?

Speaker 2 405 for eight reps.

Speaker 2 that's crazy to be clear i mean a lot of people wanted to wanted to criticize the type of bar it was but that's that's that's a squat bar now i i get it but you know at 62 putting that bar on your back would be i don't know how smart that would be but that our guys use the same bar yeah i i was kind of happy with it we were going for two that was the goal to get two i mean you put 405 in it i just want to get it off the rack yeah i mean getting it off the rack was but once you get some tastes like anything else once you get going yeah yeah you go didn't kill you can't bother it didn't bother me do coaches get p-tested Could Goodell be like, hey, I saw that video?

Speaker 1 They don't.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah. Did you think they do that at the NFL? Do you think that they go by a big performance and they grab the guy randomly and test him?

Speaker 1 I personally think Goodell just likes P. I think

Speaker 1 he just sends his guys out. He's like, I want some of that guy's pee.
No, I think that's one of those things that you just see it.

Speaker 1 It's like when you, it's like when you buy a car and then you notice your car everywhere. Yeah.
So it's like you notice it because someone had a big performance and they post it.

Speaker 1 Guys are probably getting tested all the time. They just don't post it unless they had a big performance.
Right, right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because it does draw attention to the performance. Now I see the point.

Speaker 2 It's kind of the way kind of the brain works.

Speaker 2 Oh, make sure I want to point out I had a big performance. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It works.
Now they say that you can't tell everybody if you do get the test. You have to keep that quiet.
Seriously? But you should, I mean,

Speaker 1 I think that's a rule now, but after you put that video out, you should have also released a letter, like a fake letter being like, look, Cadell is asking me to check my urine because he saw my squat video.

Speaker 1 Just kind of gas yourself up a little bit. Like, I got the call from the main office right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I like the idea.

Speaker 1 You said, I think it was a couple of weeks ago, you said, Lamar has grown in every way. So how much taller has he gotten?

Speaker 2 He actually does look taller to me. I mean, it's crazy.
It's crazy you mentioned that because when I saw him the first day of camp, maybe I'm getting shorter. That happens when you maybe

Speaker 1 so squats. Squats or something.
He brought me down a death. That's a fact.

Speaker 2 I looked at him and I was like, dude, you got taller, you know, and he just laughed because he didn't get taller, but he looked taller to me.

Speaker 1 But is he like, I mean, he's won a couple MVPs.

Speaker 1 He's played at this insane level for this stretch, and you think he's still getting better every single, like it's not plateaued in a way, which would be a great plateau to be at. Yeah.

Speaker 2 MVP of the league. You could live on that plateau for sure.
And, you know, no, he's getting better in every way. I like to think we all do throughout the course of our life.

Speaker 2 But as an athlete, at some point in time, you do hit that point. It starts going the other direction.
Then you try to stave it off and stay even as long as you could.

Speaker 2 Ray Lewis used to tell me that he had to work. He had to work a lot harder every year to stay the same,

Speaker 2 let alone get better but lamar is still getting better he's only 28 years old i mean he's got he came into the league at really 2021 and um he's been playing a lot of football ever since but he's just so intentional about uh everything he does as a player about all the things that have to do with playing quarterback but also you know the team sometimes at some point you start taking the team uh performance

Speaker 2 accountability on your own shoulders and I see him doing that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So he reported camp a lot skinnier last year, which I didn't even think was possible because he never looked big to me, but that was the big report was like, yeah, he's lost all this weight.

Speaker 1 How's he looking this year? Has his body changed at all this year?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 he's got, he looked really good. I mean, he was a little bit heavier than he was last year in a good way.

Speaker 2 I did, I did, he was wearing kind of a baggy sweatsuit. He kind of had a hat on, looking tall.
So I gave him a hug. And of course, when you're a coach, I mean,

Speaker 2 you do kind of like, kind of say, all right, how's he feel?

Speaker 1 Does he feel sturdy?

Speaker 2 You know, he feel sturdy. And I said, oh,

Speaker 2 okay. You've been training.
You feel sturdy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What are you looking for out of him, specifically like a change or an improvement in his game? It's hard to nitpick because he's so good.

Speaker 1 But at this stage, like, what would you like to see out of him?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, I think it's the same theme that we have across the board. And it's not because, you know,

Speaker 2 he needs it or anybody needs it, but we are chasing intentionality. We're chasing the idea that we want to be intentional about everything that's important.

Speaker 2 What's important now, what's important in the moment, be intentional about it now. Try to get good at all the things that when you get into the game, you want it to be background.

Speaker 2 We want to understand situations in the game as background. We don't want to have to say, hey, it's a two-minute drill.

Speaker 2 We want to understand what's important in the two-minute drill and just apply it to the way we play. So those things become thoughtless.

Speaker 2 All the little details that are impactful to winning football, we want to be able to bring those to bear in the most critical moments without even having to think about it because we've been intentional about it every single day.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite things between you guys is when you argue on fourth down, whether or not you should go for it. There's always the camera shot and it's always you and Lamar having a conversation.

Speaker 1 Should we go for it?

Speaker 1 Has he ever lost that argument? Because it seems like every time he's like, let's go for it. You're like, okay, I trust you.

Speaker 2 You know what's crazy? He has actually said, see, there have been times where he said, no, punt, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he'd admit that or not, but there have been times where he said, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Play it the other way. So he's thoughtful.
He's intentional. about what's best in the moment.
Yeah. Has he lost the argument? Not really.

Speaker 1 I saw, so obviously a lot of expectations. You guys are good every single year.
I saw you go after though, the comments, the Super Bowl or bus comments.

Speaker 1 And actually kind of hurt my feelings because you're like, anyone who says Super Bowl or bust means they haven't achieved anything in their life. Did I say that?

Speaker 2 No, come on. Yeah, you said

Speaker 1 anybody that ever says something like that has never actually accomplished anything. That feels personal.

Speaker 2 I think you might have parsed that code a little bit.

Speaker 1 But can you explain that to me? Because obviously we fall into it where we're like, Super Bowl or bust. It's a failure if you don't win a Super Bowl.
You've been doing it for so many years.

Speaker 1 There's only one winner. So

Speaker 1 what were you trying to explain to people for that?

Speaker 2 Well, I think it's a compliment. First of all, it's a great compliment to be in that category.
Like

Speaker 2 when you say Super Bowl or bust, you're basically saying that this team, that's how good, that's what you've, you're in that category.

Speaker 1 We're in that category.

Speaker 2 And that's a great compliment. But we're not going to be weighed down by that type of a burden.

Speaker 2 You understand, like when you're that, when you're that team or you're, these guys are at the highest level. I mean, you guys, your ratings, aren't you? Are you the best?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are the best. Is anybody better than you? Yeah, we're not Times 100 list, but we are the number one sports podcast.

Speaker 2 You're not Times 100. They left us off the list.

Speaker 1 Is that bust? No, I use that as bust. I use that as most.
The tennis podcast. I don't know if you listen to tennis podcasts.
Pretty big podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's called the tennis podcast. Oh, that's what? That's number one? They beat us out.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, so does that make you guys that you're not belly up, are you?

Speaker 1 It keeps floating

Speaker 1 tanks. Yeah, I kind of like it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it makes you even more hungry, right?

Speaker 2 And that's how we feel, too, because it's not like we've ever gone bust.

Speaker 2 I've seen him count us out. I've seen him say we should be doing something.
And here we are again.

Speaker 2 We don't disappear. We're not gone.
We didn't go bust. We didn't go broke.
We keep coming back. And I think that's really the measurement is the ability to keep.

Speaker 2 And if you do win it, when you win it, Chiefs have done a great job of this. You got to give them credit.
They come back again the next year. So that's the type of excellence that we're chasing.

Speaker 1 So I got a question about that. So you're going into year 18 here, and which is crazy.
I mean, there's the longevity in coaching. You don't see it very often.

Speaker 1 There's a few franchises that have had guys that long. Is it harder every year to make sure your message gets through? Is it like a different challenge because you've been doing it for so long?

Speaker 1 You've been around the guys for so long. You have such a great system.
It hasn't been hard for some reason.

Speaker 2 Maybe it's maybe it's here, maybe it's me, maybe it's the guys, maybe it's a lot of things. I think it is a lot of things.
It starts at the top. Steve Baschati is absolutely incredible.

Speaker 2 We got a great organization, but basically, no, it's not hard at all because the principles remain the same. I mean, we're chasing the things that are unarguable.

Speaker 2 We're chasing the indisputable, the inalienable. You know, these are things that are real things that we all understand are true if you want to be successful.

Speaker 2 How you present it to different guys, that's yeah, that's that's always changing all the time. It should be changing.

Speaker 2 I mean, if I'm gonna come up there and give the same canned speech every year, yeah, it would get stale. But

Speaker 2 I'm talking to guys one-on-one. I'm talking to them one-on-one, like a lot of times, one-on-one.
I'm talking to them also one-on-one in that meeting when we're talking to 53, 69, or 90 players.

Speaker 2 It's all still a connection one-on-one. And we're talking about the things that we all care about, which is football.
That's what we're here for. And everything else is rooted off of that.

Speaker 2 We're here for football. That's the seed.
All the roots that grow out of that, that build a type of a brotherhood, that build a type of grit, toughness,

Speaker 2 that build a type of accountability, the intentionality about becoming something.

Speaker 2 You don't win a championship. You become a champion.
All right. And then you do the things when you need to do in those moments to win those games that make you a champion in reality.

Speaker 2 And that's what we're going to try to do.

Speaker 1 Okay, that was a good answer because I'm fired up. So I think the message works.
Football, we're playing.

Speaker 1 For the seeds of football, it's being played. Growing out of that, I'm in.
So that works.

Speaker 2 I relate to that. You You probably like, yeah, farmer, you got farmer in your jeans somewhere, probably, right?

Speaker 1 I'm just ready to get out on the land. I heard you talking about how the best way to let the guys on the team know that you care about them is to actually care about them.

Speaker 1 To actually sit down and think, why do I care about this guy? How can I help this guy? That seems like more than a full-time job to care about 90 guys. Right.
So, how do you do that? How do you do it?

Speaker 1 Do you have like a day where you're like, I got to learn something about this guy? I got to learn something about this guy.

Speaker 2 That's a great question. And I wish it's really hard because with 90 guys, there's some guys that I kind of forget their name too sometimes because they just got here.

Speaker 2 I'm like, dude, I wish I could remember your name, but I'm sorry I can't. So I'll just say like, dude, or big guy.

Speaker 1 Number. His number.
Number, yeah, he's 38.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we do joke with him sometimes as a rookie. You know, you got to earn your right to have a name.
You know, that's, you got to do something. You got to make a play.

Speaker 2 But really what you're saying basically is that to make it about, to care, to make it about somebody else, you just, it can't be about yourself. And that's the biggest challenge that we all have.

Speaker 2 That's what human nature really is essentially about. That's the fallen human nature aspect of the whole thing.
That's what grace is, is not making it about yourself.

Speaker 2 So, as a leader, you got to check your heart, man. Like, what am I coming into this day? What am I coming into this conversation? What am I coming into this event on my heart? Is it about me?

Speaker 2 And if it's about me, it's not going to work. If you're about you, you're the stars.
But all these other guys, they're the team. Are you making it about them and about your audience?

Speaker 2 Are you making it about yourself? And I think you guys understand that intuitively, right?

Speaker 2 If you make it about them, if you check your own heart first, you get a chance to actually care about somebody else.

Speaker 1 Also, if we make it like about about Max or Hank and we're just giving them a lot of shit, then they're actually getting all the bad stuff, you know, like we're putting all the blame on them.

Speaker 1 Do you ever do that as a coach where you're like, I'm just going to throw this guy under the bus, make my life easier?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, of course. I mean, yeah,

Speaker 2 that's a form of showing them how much you care.

Speaker 2 But like, listen, the truth of the matter is, if I, except if I didn't, if I didn't care enough to point this out, in other words, if you, if you, if you criticize somebody, we tell this guys, it's like, how do you, how do you handle criticism?

Speaker 2 If I care enough to tell you what you can do better, that's a risk because you might get pissed off, you might get mad, you might pout, you might run away.

Speaker 2 It might not be worth it to me to get on you. Now, you guys do it in humor too, but then it's not worth it to me anymore.
It's like, well, heck with that guy.

Speaker 2 He, you know, he's just going to be thin skinned. We all got thin skin.

Speaker 2 But if I care enough to actually put it out there, like, hey, you know what, I think you could do better at this, then that's another way of showing you care. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There it is. Speaking of thin skin, not saying you have it, but when you,

Speaker 1 no, but when you, when you have like bad playoff losses, how long does it take you to get over it?

Speaker 2 Still Still haven't.

Speaker 1 Still haven't. Still haven't.

Speaker 2 Still haven't. I mean, you know, I think about the Patriots in 14.
You know, the...

Speaker 2 I'm not to name the referee.

Speaker 2 He knows who he is. He'll be named later by you guys probably, but Alaui knows that, you know,

Speaker 2 that's not going to, that doesn't. I still, I joke with him about it.
It's like, dude,

Speaker 2 when are you going to apologize to me for that?

Speaker 1 You're talking about the linemen that were set up where it was deceiving, like, where the tackles were?

Speaker 2 Well, no, no,

Speaker 2 that was more recent. That bothered me too, but it wasn't a playoff game.
That was the opener last year. No, it's when they substituted it.
It wasn't defined who was eligible and who wasn't eligible.

Speaker 2 The NFL never addressed it as a rule. It was an unfair advantage, probably unfair advantage.
That's what the rule book reads.

Speaker 2 Should have been not allowed, but it was, and it probably cost us that game. No, I haven't.

Speaker 1 I believe you. I believe you both get over it.
I forgot about that. Yeah, I'm over that now.
I'm over that now.

Speaker 2 I coach Belichick. It was brilliant what he did.
I have so much respect for him. And I told him.

Speaker 2 I'm over it, kind of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Never going to be over.
The bowl wasn't a season from Flacco. I feel like that was going to be another Super Bowl for him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you, do you, I know everyone says they tune out the media, but there's got to be some stuff that trickles in. Are you able to fully tune it out?

Speaker 2 No, you don't tune it out. I mean, it's all, it's all, to say you tune it out is a lie.
Yeah. You know, I just try to like use it as fuel.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I try not to read the comments because that is toxic.

Speaker 1 That's bad.

Speaker 2 But all the other stuff is fuel. Like they're good stuff.
It's like, yeah, you kind of like, you got to be careful because, you know,

Speaker 2 it's just they're setting you up. They're setting you up for failure.
As soon as they pat you on the back, it's the setup for failure. So you just take everything in a negative way and use it as fuel.

Speaker 1 See, that's, I always, I, I, NFL coaches, I don't know how you guys do it because like I, I do get too high and too low. I like getting too high and too low.

Speaker 1 You guys say the same, you know, like don't let it when they're, when they're throwing praise on you, you can't listen to it as much as when they're, you know, heaping all the trash on you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I, I, I like to get real high, real low. When you read those press clippings, man, you know about it, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you make a, you make yourself like a scrapbook, you know,

Speaker 1 but I just, you can, I get on the roller coaster and I don't know like, and it's like i mean when we watch games like if you know if you get if a team starts you know three and out it's like well this game's over right i don't know why you guys go back

Speaker 1 that would that would be a bad strategy yeah really bad really good do you uh this past year and then obviously this upcoming year with derrick henry do you have to remind yourself that you have derrick henry every now and then be like hey no i have to pinch myself though okay i do i like to pinch myself like i saw him in the weight room this morning you know at 545 by the way were you guys up you working out probably i actually was definitely yes but i was just laying and scrolling my phone trying to get high.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just like, dude, this guy's in here working out way early in the morning.

Speaker 2 It's incredible.

Speaker 1 But, but, I mean, you got to just remember to run them. Like, is there moments where you're like, hey,

Speaker 1 what's the play here? Oh, we have Derrick Henry.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You do.

Speaker 2 I mean, he got a bunch of carries, and you know, you got, but you also got to be intentional about remembering you got a whole season in front of you, and you got a lot of other good players, too.

Speaker 2 And it's kind of nice if they don't know who's getting the ball from play to play. And

Speaker 2 we try to do that. We try to spread things out.
But

Speaker 2 yeah, you do want to to make sure he gets his touches. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Speaking of getting high and getting low after games,

Speaker 1 how high were you after beating your brother last year?

Speaker 2 I was pretty happy. I was pretty happy.
It was pretty awesome. Why are you shaking your head over there? San Diego got the Chargers gear charging.

Speaker 2 Don't think I didn't notice that either, brother.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and I do.

Speaker 2 I root for the Chargers

Speaker 2 all the time, except for the one game.

Speaker 2 Crazy. You know,

Speaker 2 when we were coming into the stadium there, it's SoFi. Is that what they call it? Yeah.
SoFi or Sofi? So Fi. SoFi.
SoFi. SoFi, Sofi.

Speaker 1 That was a really nice move, what you did. You basically like, I don't think about my brother's stadium so much, I don't know how to pronounce it.
Yeah, smart. Did you cut that?

Speaker 1 What's that little stadium?

Speaker 2 So our buses pull up there, our first buses, and like all of a sudden it's like, we got to wait for the Chargers to come in. It's like, what? It's like, well, we're going to wait for the Chargers.

Speaker 2 I'm like, well, this is, that kind of did tick me off a little bit.

Speaker 1 Like, we're here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we were sitting there for like five minutes.

Speaker 2 I did find out later that the reason is when you go into SoFi Stadium, it's like a one-way street. So like, and the, and the visiting locker room is first.

Speaker 2 So we'd stop our buses, then they would come in behind. They'd be stuck there behind us.
So they always let them go in first if it's close. Apparently, at least that's what I was told.

Speaker 2 I chose to believe it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Little games and shit. Sounds like being penalized for being early.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Sounds that, well, that went through my mind.

Speaker 1 Have you thought, have you had like the imagination of playing

Speaker 1 in like an AFC championship game against your brother and maybe losing?

Speaker 1 Because you can't let him have another one of those like or he can't have one on you where you have the Super Bowl on him he's got the national championship if he wins a Super Bowl it could be a problem like he could be a problem you know that obviously you've

Speaker 1 thought all this through you know that he could be a problem if he if he adds this you know my brother yes he could be a problem

Speaker 1 I understand it I understand everything you're saying okay so you thought about it a little bit yeah of course

Speaker 1 he just don't go to Thanksgiving ever again or Christmas we never have Thanksgiving or Christmas together because we're in games.

Speaker 2 We have our moment. We have a lot of cool stuff together.
That's one of the things, we just don't go down that road and talk about it. It's just all understood.

Speaker 2 You know, sometimes what's understood doesn't need to be said. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's smart.
What was the earliest that you hit him up after the game, or did you wait for him to text you? What was that like?

Speaker 2 I don't think we still talked about that since. We've talked, but it never came up after the game.

Speaker 2 You know what? Like, we'd like, we're both, we're both, we're both way more, you know, mature.

Speaker 2 We're both in our 60s now, you know, so you know he's not mature come on well you know you can pretend you guys are mature

Speaker 1 when was the last time you guys wrestled

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 2 spring

Speaker 2 i was gonna say you better say we didn't wrestle in the white house you know

Speaker 1 that would be funny if you guys just that would have been funny i do have a question about the white house it's not a gotcha question i promise so appreciate it when you were there did trump bring up the new kickoff rule

Speaker 2 no okay no he talked about the quarterbacks a lot he want to talk all about the quarterbacks quarterbacks, quarterbacks. You got good quarterbacks.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I know he doesn't like the kickoff rule. And I thought that there was a chance he might have brought that up.

Speaker 1 And then your brother would have thrown Sam Schwartzein, his former center, right under the bus for making the kickoff rule.

Speaker 2 Sam Schwartzstein. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he played center for Stanford for yourself. He made the kickoff rule? Yeah, for the extra fellow.
Really? Yeah. Oh.
Yeah, so he ruined football.

Speaker 2 So it was Jim's fault.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jim created it. Yeah.
Yeah, your brother ruined football. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, no, sort of an, yeah, that could happen.

Speaker 1 I see that. It's the old pebble in the water.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Make the wave type of it.

Speaker 1 The butterfly effect. The butterfly.

Speaker 2 I love the butterfly effect.

Speaker 1 Do you believe in the butterfly effect?

Speaker 2 I do, and I've used it with my team. And talk about Joshua Chamberlain, the butterfly effect.
That's a good story about the whole. You know the whole Joshua Chamberlain?

Speaker 2 I'm going to send it to you. Okay.
Yeah, because I mean, this is what Joshua Chamberlain is.

Speaker 1 I'm not familiar with his game. Civil War, Gettysburg.
Okay.

Speaker 1 The butterfly effect, I would assume.

Speaker 1 It's something that you can use because, you know, when you watch a high-level, high-leverage playoff game a lot of people will pick whatever the last play was right and you don't realize there's so many plays that lead up to it that if any of those change it could be a totally different game football is like a metaphor for life right i mean that's it's like it's like a micro cosmo life we talk about it all the time the butterfly effect is in effect in football and in life you're right yeah

Speaker 2 you see you see all this stuff in football that kind of applies yeah i'll give you some the raven effect

Speaker 1 Raven flaps its wings in Times Square, something changes halfway across the country. You can use that on a play, any given play.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're going to play like a raven, what you do on this play affects what happens over on this side of the field on the next play. You know,

Speaker 2 we did fly fishing with my daughter and my wife in Montana, and we were out there on the Madison River,

Speaker 2 water rushing, stones, trying to keep our balance, you know, doing the fly fishing, first time ever.

Speaker 2 My daughter caught like 15 fish. I caught like three.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 But while we're out there, I see this huge black bird flying around.

Speaker 2 All these little birds are attacking it he keeps diving in trying to get eggs in the nest of these smaller birds one against like 40 little birds who were pecking away at it while i was coming in i said what kind of bird is that he goes that's a raven

Speaker 1 there is

Speaker 1 my guy

Speaker 1 up there fighting

Speaker 2 um i have a question about some harbisms when was the first time who's got it better than us uh was debuted i assume by your dad jim and i yeah that's the shorted version of the story is we're we're 10 and eight years old we're in iowa we got put put away to bed at 7 o'clock in a summertime.

Speaker 2 Kids are, we had a vacant lot with the baseball right next door. They're outside playing.
Mom put us to bed because something, some reason that clearly wasn't our fault.

Speaker 2 Dad came home like late night, pounds in there. We thought we were going to get all mad because they were whispering like,

Speaker 2 and we go, oh, here we go. Dad comes down, door rips open, looks at us and goes, Who's got it better than you two guys? In here, in your room together.
Yes, you had a tough night, but you're together.

Speaker 2 You can share stories. You can kind kind of work things out.
You have each other's back. Nobody.
Nobody's got it better than you.

Speaker 1 So, this is you guys getting grounded, and he's like spinning it as who's got it better than me.

Speaker 2 Good spin, yeah. I don't know how you thought of that.

Speaker 1 Brilliant.

Speaker 1 I like that. I like that.
What about Life is Short, Run to the Ball?

Speaker 2 I like that one. That was, Jim takes credit for that one.
You know, we kind of have a little dispute about who came up with that one.

Speaker 2 He might have, he might have come up with that one, or he probably more likely heard it from somebody else, but we both just kind of stole it. But don't you love that? I love that one.

Speaker 2 Life is short, run to the ball. That's like such a deep meaning thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's, I mean, you guys run to the ball.

Speaker 2 Did you run to the ball?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can tell a team when they run to the ball. It's like you just see it when they're flying to the ball.
A team that wants it more.

Speaker 2 Well, we tell our guys, like, how hard you play

Speaker 2 tells us and tells everybody is a statement about how much you care. How hard you play relates directly to how much you care.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about enthusiasm unknown to mankind?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's my, I don't know where my dad came up with that. Like, we were crying about, we had a, we had a Chevy Biscayne, 66 Biscayne.
This is like 71, 72. Cars didn't didn't last that long.

Speaker 2 Anyway, the car was falling apart. The heater wasn't working.
It was like zero degrees in Iowa City, Iowa. It's one of the days we did actually have the car.
Other times we were walking.

Speaker 2 But basically, we were feeling sorry for ourselves. I mean, right

Speaker 2 in the back seat, you know, we're freezing on the way. So we get out and we're just like, he's looking at us like, you know, why are you guys feeling sorry for yourself? You know, you know?

Speaker 2 You need to attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

Speaker 1 You know? You're 10?

Speaker 1 You're 10 years old or something?

Speaker 2 We didn't really hear it. But then Jim, in his Stanford press conference,

Speaker 2 in his opening press conference, said, we are going to attack the day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. And Dan was like, oh, my God, they were listening.

Speaker 1 They were listening. Have you ever had a day where you're like, you know what? I'm not going to attack this day with enthusiasm.
I'm just going to have a day.

Speaker 2 Have a regular day. I have never, I mean, I'm not saying

Speaker 2 it didn't happen that way sometimes, maybe, perhaps, but I never actually willed it to happen.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't tell myself to not attack the day.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, you can attack other things.

Speaker 2 You can spin it, you know. Sometimes it's a rest day.
I'm going to attack this rest.

Speaker 1 With enthusiasm, you can do that.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 It depends on how it's perspective. It also means every day you have to be more enthusiastic than you were yesterday.

Speaker 2 It comes back to intentionality. Well, enthusiasm unknown to mankind is really a spiritual thing.
If we really want to get deep here, we're talking about what is an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

Speaker 2 We're talking about spiritual enthusiasm. We're talking about a Holy Spirit power of the Holy Spirit type enthusiasm that is unknown to mankind, but it can be tapped into, right?

Speaker 2 But you got to be connected to the spirit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then the last one I had was 1% better every day. Is there, I mean, at some point you can't get 1% better.

Speaker 2 Well, we weren't, oh, you can always get 1% better. It's like, man, it's like,

Speaker 2 look at all the money you've made.

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 2 Stop making money.

Speaker 1 What about when, like, the,

Speaker 1 you guys played the Dolphins was a couple years ago, and Lamar had like five touchdowns, 400 yards. You beat them by a million.
I mean, you can't really

Speaker 2 see that. We're talking process now.
When you look at the process, there were things that could be better in there. There's no question about it.

Speaker 2 We'd rather correct with wins, but

Speaker 2 sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but you always learn.

Speaker 1 1% better.

Speaker 1 Do you get a little mad, though, when you win and you guys play almost a perfect game because you're like, I have nothing to beat them up about?

Speaker 2 That never could happen. It's impossible.
That's an impossibility.

Speaker 1 What's the stat? It's like if you get 1% better every day, then over the course of a year, you improve by like 300x.

Speaker 1 It's like a crazy stat.

Speaker 2 Well, it's like, yeah, it's like, well, in 77 days, you should be twice as good as you were.

Speaker 2 So you improve 200% as a team over the course of 77 days if you got 1% better, because that's compound interest, right? Yeah. That's how that works.
Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 You've done the math on this.

Speaker 2 Think if your money got one, made 1% every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it takes, it's hard. Who makes 1% every day in their money? And we tell our guys it takes 100% effort.
I've never believed in 110%.

Speaker 2 110% is fake. If you say 100%, 10%, you're basically saying, what are you really saying? Yeah.
I mean, are you really giving 100%?

Speaker 2 Well, you know how hard it is to give 100%?

Speaker 2 If you actually gave 100%, 100% to me is a threshold between, between,

Speaker 2 between giving everything you got and dying. 101%, you die.

Speaker 1 It's like a horse.

Speaker 2 You can run a horse till his heart blows up, right? Yeah. It's harder for people to do that.
Like, we're not really, we're not built that.

Speaker 1 Mind over matter. But you can increase your 100%.
So if you go 100% and you get 1% better, it's still 100% the next day, but it's 101% compared to yesterday.

Speaker 2 We're adding that to the whole thing.

Speaker 2 Expand your capacity for 100%.

Speaker 2 That's going to be a t-shirt.

Speaker 1 I love that. When you feel good, you got a mind for this stuff.
I like the Raven effect. I still think the Raven effect's got waves.

Speaker 1 When you sit down at the start of every training camp, do you have, obviously, you like give a speech and you set the tone for the season.

Speaker 1 Do you have to try to find ways to not repeat yourself things that you've said in the past?

Speaker 1 Like that introductory training camp speech, it's always so good whenever I see it, if it's on hard knocks or behind the scenes videos.

Speaker 1 How much time do you put in preparing what your motto is going to be for this season moving forward? Right.

Speaker 2 Well, we don't believe in mottos really or themes. We try to make it kind of like organic, like where are we at, but a lot of time.

Speaker 2 And what I tried to do this year was through the off-season program, I did something every single day, which was basically 12, it was 12 messages plus back to number one.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, which was morale. That was number one, and that was the last one.
Morale is the physical. Three is the one.
Napoleon, Beauchamp Beck with Jack Harbaugh. That's how I learned all that.

Speaker 2 There it is.

Speaker 1 The big three. The big three.

Speaker 1 Titans of

Speaker 1 Titans of motivation.

Speaker 2 But you think about it every day. So, like, this year I did, I basically kind of re just kind of, I just basically touched on all those things.

Speaker 2 I didn't want to give a big speech this year because I felt like everybody kind of understood. Sometimes what is understood doesn't need to be said.

Speaker 2 And then you just kind of reave it into every single day.

Speaker 1 Because I was watching an interview with Ed Reed a couple months ago, and he was talking about your first season as coach of the Ravens and how you came in and you basically said, fuck you.

Speaker 1 Like, fuck the way you've been doing things here. It's like going to jail and punching the biggest guy in the face the first day that you see him, right? Like, new sheriff in town.

Speaker 1 This is what I'm doing. Is that what you said to them in so many words?

Speaker 1 Yeah, basically.

Speaker 2 But you know what? The thing about it, and I told them this, I said,

Speaker 2 I said, listen,

Speaker 2 they were doubting a little bit. They didn't really know who this guy was.

Speaker 1 You hadn't had coached?

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, I understand it. Like, I got it.
You know, it wasn't like me trying to prove myself, but I told them, I said, listen, I said, you guys are misunderstood.

Speaker 2 Everybody thinks you guys are

Speaker 2 a bunch of undisciplined bums. You know, that's what they say.
They know you're tough. They know you're physical.
They know you play hard, but they don't think you play with discipline.

Speaker 2 They don't think you're really mentally tough in the truest kind of way. They don't grit.
They don't think you have it when it counts the most. Maybe that's what people say.

Speaker 2 That's, I know, we played against you. I understand what's said, okay?

Speaker 2 There's terms that are used that are thrown out there that I won't even say here on radio, public radio, you know, that they say about you guys, but that's not who you are.

Speaker 1 I've seen you guys.

Speaker 2 I understand. I know who you're.
I watch you every day. And I might have said this in my because I watched him through the offseason program.
I know what you're really about.

Speaker 2 And what we're going to do is we're going to let the whole world see what we're really about, who you really are. All right.
All that black hat stuff. No, take off the black hat, throw that shit away.

Speaker 2 Put the white hat on. You're the hero.
All right. The hero is the one who saves the day.
The hero is the one who has the true grit that makes a difference.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if they really, I think they, but I think they believed it in the end.

Speaker 1 Obviously,

Speaker 2 Ed told me we got on the bus after the Super Bowl win five years later, and we had shared a lot of experiences, experiences and tough experiences. And he got on the bus with his bottle of champagne.

Speaker 2 Well, I got on the bus, actually. He had his bottle of champagne, he was sitting in my seat.
All right, so I had to go sit on the other side of the row.

Speaker 2 He looked at me and he goes, Now I understand what you've been saying all these years. Now it all makes sense.

Speaker 1 Man, that's got to be the best feeling ever.

Speaker 2 Best feeling ever. Yeah.
And those guys, and the reason it worked was because Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs and young Joe Flacco and Marshall Yonda and all those guys, they they bought in.

Speaker 2 They had not my back. They had the back of

Speaker 2 the true principles that we were talking about. They bought into that stuff.

Speaker 1 I got a very dumb question for you.

Speaker 1 When you're going through your game plan, getting ready for like a night game, Monday night game, let's say, do you have like on the sheet, like, hey, we're wearing our all-black uniform, so that's probably worth like a point or two?

Speaker 1 Because that's what I think. When I see you guys come out a night game, all blacks, it's like, yeah, the Ravens are going to win tonight.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Have we ever lost?

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 They're all black and still

Speaker 1 it looks, it looks. It's beautiful.
Yeah. So do you think that? Do you have an extra problem?

Speaker 2 I'm pretty confident in the night games and in M ⁇ T Bank Stadium in the all-black uniforms. I'm feeling pretty confident.
Yeah, pretty good about that.

Speaker 1 It feels like there's an invincibility of you guys when you come out and get it.

Speaker 2 Well, the goal, the goal, one of the goals, and like for any, like anything, when you're chasing excellence, one of the goals is that that's feeling, you want to make that feeling into reality. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, I want everybody in the stadium, when we take the field, no matter what uniform we're wearing, no matter what time of day or night, no matter what field it is, anywhere, whether it's a field or it's a parking lot,

Speaker 2 where I be, when the Ravens come rolling off the bus or out of the tunnel, I want everybody in the stands to go, everybody in the field to go, I want the opponent to go, oh,

Speaker 1 there they are. Yeah.
There they are.

Speaker 2 That's them.

Speaker 1 Big bad Ravens.

Speaker 1 Do you own a pair of the black, purple, silver, gray cargo shorts? You know, the Army fatigue style ones. It's my favorite thing about Ravens fans.
They have those?

Speaker 1 They've got the cargo shorts, the cargo pants. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, you got to get a pair of,

Speaker 1 yeah, in a set of those.

Speaker 2 Try to connect with the fan base a little more with that. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 No, they're a great fan base. Are you familiar with the work of our good friend Stavi at all? Stavros? Yeah.
Ronnie from Dundalk.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he did. Yeah, because he did that thing with me in the gym a couple years ago.
You remember that? Yeah. He flew here and flew out there.
That's a funny dude. Is that what he wears?

Speaker 2 That's what he wears.

Speaker 1 All the time. He was born in a pair of those, actually.
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 I got to talk to my equipment guy. He was born in a pair of those.

Speaker 1 Yeah, came out of the wound like that. Yeah.
How many more years are you going to coach football?

Speaker 2 Well, like my dad said, you know, you coach until you just can't stand it, until you hate it, until you don't want to show up every day, until it's just the last thing in the world you want to do.

Speaker 2 When you get to that point, you coach for two more years.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's what your brother says. He says,

Speaker 1 all I wanted to do since I was a little kid was play football, coach football, then die.

Speaker 1 Pretty, pretty. I'd rather not die.
Yeah, that's what he says, though.

Speaker 1 I believe him, too.

Speaker 2 I do. I actually do believe him.

Speaker 1 When did you realize that you wanted to be a football coach?

Speaker 2 I always knew I wanted to be a football coach, but I realized it when

Speaker 2 my dad needed a coach when I just graduated and he made me a coach because he didn't have any coaches because they were short on coaches at Western Michigan. He said, you coach, you be a coach.

Speaker 2 I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 And I got to be a coach with my dad and great coaches like Greg Madison and Brady Hoke and Dan Frino and these superstar guys that take you under their wing and they toughen you up and show you what it's all about.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 that's when I wanted to be a coach. And then the other thing is I really, I really knew, but I I knew I needed to straighten up my act when

Speaker 2 I was yelling at the officials for two holding calls against Ohio U my first year. And I took my headsets off and I flung them

Speaker 2 down, way down. They had a track, across the track, behind the cheerleaders, right in front of the student band down there.
And I threw my headsets. You know, can you imagine? I'm 21 years old.

Speaker 2 What an a-hole. So I turned around, I'm all mad about the call.
My dad's like right here. He's right in my face.
Look at you. He's like,

Speaker 2 go get him.

Speaker 2 The phones?

Speaker 1 Go get them.

Speaker 2 I had to put my head down, run back. Even though, even the guys, I'm the same age as most of the players, so they're laughing at me too.
You know, like, you dumbass. So I got to run down there.

Speaker 2 Cheerleaders laughing at me. Student section going crazy.
Band starts, you know, heckling me. Pick up the phones, run back, put them back in my head sheepishly.
You know, you learn the hard way.

Speaker 2 Sometimes you learn the easy way. Sometimes you learn the hard way.

Speaker 1 All right, we got a couple of last questions. Really appreciate this coach uh

Speaker 1 the tomlin rivalry tomlin harbaugh rivalry you guys have been playing against each other for so many years

Speaker 1 is it like extra hard knowing that you know each other so well have you ever thought of going into this game being like you know what we're going to do something totally different that they've never seen before because these games are all wars and they all are like three point seven point games that you just go through the years it's nuts looking at it right the harbaugh tomlin rivalry right that's uh definitely true i mean you just know each other so well even even when we're on the field talking before the the game, we both always acknowledge it before the game.

Speaker 2 It's like, this is really special. This is really cool.

Speaker 2 It's really a pain in the butt.

Speaker 2 It's really rough and tough, but it's really great.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we're kind of both to the point now where we're kind of like, we're living there and we're feeling real good about living in that rivalry.

Speaker 2 And you do got to find something, some way, whatever it might be, to find an edge. And it's just like all that shared history,

Speaker 2 we know it all. It's all ingrained.
It's in the background.

Speaker 1 and you feel it. Yeah, it's special.
I mean, it is kind of a very cool wrinkle to the NFL being like, these guys have played each other so many times.

Speaker 1 And every, it would be one thing if it was you played each other and there's blowouts on one side. You guys play each other in wars every single year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's been a few blowouts.

Speaker 1 But there's been a lot more close games.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Bill, tons of close games. The blowouts have always been the one, have always been one way, just if you go back and look.

Speaker 2 But there's been very few of them. You're right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're like that. It's a valid point.
I think if you look at the cumulative score over the years, it's crazy close considering how long you guys have been together.

Speaker 2 It's crazy close, man. Like people, I hear people, sometimes I read, sometimes people say it's not what it used to be.
Oh, boy, man, it's everything it used to be.

Speaker 1 yeah it's it's it's just as good it just keeps building on the past afc north football do you enjoy those games while you're in the games or does it take it does it take like a little bit of separation afterwards to be like that was a lot of fun yeah yeah I mean, like every game's like that, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 It takes a little separation afterwards. You'd like to say live in the moment, enjoy the moment and all that, but yeah, it's impossible to do that.
You're just fighting.

Speaker 1 It's like being in a fight.

Speaker 2 You're really enjoying it. I mean, I don't know, Ali, Frazier, I mean, were they really enjoying the moment, you know, getting smashed in the face and all that.

Speaker 2 But I'm sure when they looked back, they thought it was pretty amazing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 You squatted 405 at 62 years old. Did your brother say anything about that? No, not a word.
You know he saw it. I don't know.
Let me see. You know he saw it.

Speaker 1 I don't think he did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he saw it.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 1 No, no, I know he saw it. You know he saw it.

Speaker 2 Maybe he said something.

Speaker 2 I can't, you know, I don't want to say he didn't because they'll come back and say, you know, i can't believe you said that i didn't say anything when i did so i'm pretty sure he didn't do you know that he would have remembered it do you know he goes into the uh

Speaker 1 i don't think he did the ice tub the cold tub fully clothed yeah i don't even think that's allowed like i think he did when we were in the facility

Speaker 1 people said that he would just go he'd

Speaker 1 have to rinse off yeah khakis polo would get in get in the cold tub for five minutes get out fully dressed then just change into a new khakis don't you remember like when you were a kid you went to the pool what'd they tell you to do before you go in the pool yeah you You got to shower

Speaker 2 before you go in, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, he learned that a long time ago. Yeah, he might shower in the khakis and the promo and then get in the hot tub.

Speaker 1 Jay and Jay. Well, coach, thank you.
Uh, always great to talk to you. Uh, appreciate it.
Best of luck this year. Yeah.
And you are grit. I love it.

Speaker 1 What doesn't kill you, or what was it saying?

Speaker 2 Doesn't kill me, doesn't bother me.

Speaker 1 Doesn't bother me. I love that.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 Appreciate you guys. You guys are the best.
Thanks for being here. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for coming to visit the Ravens. And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is Grit Week presented by Hey Dude.
It is Roquan Smith from the Baltimore Ravens. Roquan, thank you for joining us.
First question,

Speaker 1 which we ask everyone on Grit Week, what does the word grit mean to you?

Speaker 5 I think grit to me means a person that's willing to go through anything

Speaker 5 for whatever their purpose is and behind their why and willing to put their face in the fan every single second and just a person that knows their purpose and just all about it.

Speaker 1 I like that. Putting your face in the fan.
That's a good saying. Yeah.
When was the last time you put your face in the fan?

Speaker 5 Last time I put my face in the fan was actually probably versus Buffalo far as football terms, but I feel like I put my face in the fan with life every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 After the loss against Buffalo,

Speaker 1 how soon after that do you watch the tape? Do you go back over that?

Speaker 5 I ended up watching some of it actually on the bus ride back. I was so disappointed just like how the game went.
Felt like I could have had better plays out there as well.

Speaker 5 And obviously, collectively as a team. So just thinking about that and like, just man, like so close, but obviously close don't matter.
It's about getting the job done.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How do you feel physically going into this year? There's been some talk.
Anonymous people. What do you say to the people?

Speaker 1 I saw the anonymous source that said you were maybe overweight last year. Kyle Van Noy came at him.
That was pretty fun.

Speaker 1 Kyle Van Noy said, hey, Jeremy Fowler, tell that NFL assistant to eat a dick because Agent Agent Zero is on some shit and you're a B, I assume, bitch, for hiding. Put your name on it.

Speaker 1 That's a good team, mate. Do you, I mean, do you feel good going into this camp?

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, I feel really good. Probably the best I've felt in a while, like going into this camp.

Speaker 5 Really good, healthy. So excited about that.

Speaker 5 And at the end of the day, yeah, like there were plays and things like that last year, but I think obviously it's not to my standard, but I was all pro, if I'm not mistaken, Pro Bowl as well.

Speaker 5 So whoever it is, yeah, they can just say it. If I know, if I say something, I would say it, but tune in.
Yesterday is the past, tune in this coming season, and we'll see.

Speaker 1 Listen, as someone who gets called fat a lot online, you just got to block out the haters. Don't listen to them.
And I would assume that you should just take a picture with your shirt off.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not fat. Yeah.
Look at this.

Speaker 1 It would shut everyone up pretty well. It looks good.
Yeah. Is it weird, though, to have those type of criticisms where it's like, you know, your body, you know your play.

Speaker 1 And it's like, now, and I do think the anonymous part is kind of bullshit. like when you see that online are you like what the hell is going on who the hell is saying this?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't really care too much about it truth be told and I honestly didn't see it I found out one of my homies from home actually sent it to me like after I got up in camp and said hey bro some people are like talking because normally I don't have like Twitter or anything like that and people not tagging me and those type type things on like Instagram and stuff like that so I don't really see it but obviously if someone if I feel a certain way I would normally say something but normally people who are anonymous want to be anonymous for a reason.

Speaker 5 So it tells you who they are.

Speaker 1 I would say all-pro is a pretty good comeback to that. Yeah.
If I was all pro and I was out of shape, then I'm really fucking good at football and you can deal with it. No doubt.

Speaker 1 So you said that there are certain parts last year that didn't meet your standards. I know that the way the season started for the Ravens defense wasn't so great, but then you guys turned a corner.

Speaker 1 Like early November, I think it was when it was.

Speaker 1 What happened in early November that made you guys become like maybe the best defense in the NFL?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think on the back end, man, we just really came together and I felt like that's when we kind of really understood each other.

Speaker 5 And then obviously there were certain people dealing with certain things throughout the season and just the communication aspect wasn't to the standard that it needed to be.

Speaker 5 And I think we just ended up gelling together and knowing that we can depend on one another, play in and play out.

Speaker 5 And I think having that mindset and having that going into fall camp back in the spring and going into this season, I think we're going to turn a lot of heads for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You said that this is is probably the best defense you've played on.
2018 was pretty good defense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You played some good defenses in Georgia, but this is the best, you think?

Speaker 5 I think this right here has the potential to be the best because we haven't done it yet. So it's untapped.
So it's not about what's on paper. It's about what we actually do in person.

Speaker 5 So I'm excited about the opportunity that we're going to have as a unit because I know there's some damn good dudes on this team, like players as well as people. So I'm just excited about that.

Speaker 5 And if everybody played to their potential, for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2018, though, was a pretty defense. 2018 was cold.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That was a cold defense in some

Speaker 1 coach was telling us how he likes to inspire people to get 1% better every single day. Have you done anything today to make yourself 1% better? Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 I got up out of bed,

Speaker 5 had myself a nice, clean breakfast, got a nice lift-in today. So I felt like all those things was leading to my 1%

Speaker 5 for the day.

Speaker 1 Maybe even 2% today. Yeah, maybe even 2%.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. If you You stack those percentages, then you can kind of take a couple days off.
But he was saying, like, sometimes you can get 1% better by resting.

Speaker 1 You just rest to the best of your ability. That's what I do all the time.
And it makes me great.

Speaker 5 It's good for some, not good for others.

Speaker 1 I got a football question for you.

Speaker 1 What is a hip drop tackle?

Speaker 5 Honestly, I never do it. So I can't even tell you the definition of it.

Speaker 5 But I think it's when you drop your weight, like from the definition, I would think you're dropping all the weight from your hip down on another player, like a player that's leaning a certain type of way.

Speaker 5 So I don't tackle that way. So I'm not too sure about like all the rules with it.
I like to square a cat up and hit you in your face, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because to me, it sounds like when they're talking about linebackers and hip drop tackles, it sounds a lot like tackles that have like normal tackles that then the offensive player moves their body.

Speaker 1 and the defensive player just finishes the tackle, then you get punished for it. I think there was a fine that you had last year.

Speaker 1 It might have been against Godwin.

Speaker 1 But they rescinded the fine. They took that back afterwards.
That looked like a normal football play to me. It looked like at the speed it was going, there's nothing a defensive player can do.

Speaker 1 Is it, do you think about that during a play? Like, hey, I can't put my body in this position?

Speaker 5 No, I don't think about it at all. And yeah, like, I'm sure I know Godwin's having a really good recovery from what I've heard.
So excited about him. And yeah, it was a perfectly clean tackle.

Speaker 5 I felt like maybe they just called. It felt like in that situation, something may look a certain type of way.

Speaker 5 But I'm just thinking about taking this person out in a clean, in a clean way with respect to the rules of the game and just play my style.

Speaker 5 I can't focus on this, that, or the third, because in that case, then you'll get embarrassed. And then when you get embarrassed, you're the highlight reel.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I got a dumb question for you.
Is, are Sundays easier because you don't have to play against Lamar? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Sundays are way easier. Like, and sometimes when this dude, some of the stuff he be doing at practice, I'd be like, bro, I'm like, I'm glad I'm not going up against that.

Speaker 5 Because nobody else in the league can do what he do.

Speaker 5 There's obviously a lot of really good quarterbacks in this league who are like really good, but like the stuff that that guy do, like night and day, I don't see anyone doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I like, it has to be just, you must have like even more confidence when you're going up against a guy like Lamar in practice and he's breaking people's ankles and shifting everywhere.

Speaker 1 And it's like, all right, we're going up against a pocket quarterback. We don't have to worry about this.

Speaker 5 Yeah, absolutely. Like Lamar makes it easier going up against even other dual threat quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 He makes it way easier like going up against against those guys as opposed to seeing him day in and day out uh at practice then like he don't even like be going a hundred 100 like how he do in the game and like how he do out there it's insane i i got a question about your uh recruitment process when you went to georgia so you

Speaker 1 went you you had a visit with alabama kirby smarts to dc

Speaker 1 he says that you're too small to play linebacker

Speaker 1 Then you go to Georgia and then the next year, your second year, he's the head coach. Was that a little awkward? Was he like, oh,

Speaker 1 I guess maybe you aren't too small and also you're really fucking fast?

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know how all that go. I'll never know the probably the official truth behind that, but like I did know that it was said, it was said that I was too small to play linebacker there.

Speaker 5 And it was like, cool. I didn't really like Bama anyway, truth be told.
I just wanted to go for the experience, see what it was, see what it was all about.

Speaker 5 You know, people was like, oh, it's a really dope environment and everything like that. So I wanted the experience from it more so.

Speaker 5 And like, because honestly, I would have never went to Bama and granted. They probably didn't want me either.
So, like, it made the two of us.

Speaker 5 And so, like, yeah, when they got to Georgia, it's like, yeah, I was a Georgia boy. So, it was like, hey, I'm here.
So, at the end of the day,

Speaker 5 like, you can't deny me if I'm the best, best guy out there. And like, I just proved that day in and day out.
And it obviously has been showing.

Speaker 1 Do people bark at you still?

Speaker 5 No, people don't bark.

Speaker 5 Like, sometimes if I see somebody randomly, like, even in Chicago, when I'm back there, like, see somebody with a Georgia hat on, Georgia shirt, like, be like, go, dogs, like, or something like that, but not a rule.

Speaker 5 like, nothing like that.

Speaker 1 I would bark. If I wouldn't be able to do that, I would bark.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would bark 100%. Calling all the dogs is the best.

Speaker 1 You never signed a national letter of intent, right? Correct. Why is that? I feel like most players that get recruited to top-level schools, they want to sign that letter.

Speaker 1 They want to make a showing out of it, like, hey, I'm committing to this place. Why didn't you do it?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think times are different right now. But like, when I was coming out, so like initially, I had committed to UCLA,

Speaker 5 but then the coach was leaving. So it was just like, it was kind of like a sticky situation where I'm like, okay, is this coach going to be there? Is he not going to be there?

Speaker 5 And then I'm like, okay, for myself, like, why am I going to tie myself to this school? Like, and a coach really can get out of it if he's going to do it.

Speaker 5 So if you have the leverage and you have the opportunity, like I wasn't, I was a pretty well-known recruit and like had options for a lot of different places.

Speaker 5 So I'm like, okay, if a school truly wants me, then I'll just sign the financial aid papers to like the school that I want to go to. And when I get on campus, that's when I'll be there.

Speaker 5 So if anything happened, I would be able to protect myself in a sense.

Speaker 1 I respect that.

Speaker 1 You've always been like a little bit independent when it comes to that sort of thing like you're your own agent right yeah was that hard being your own agent negotiating contract when teams were obviously you know like the bears were negotiating with you but they might be telling you things that they would normally tell an agent that your agent would never tell you but they had to say it to your face was that a difficult time no it's not a difficult time because at the end of the day you have to learn to you have to learn to love the truth tellers in your life regardless if it's you believe it's the truth or not and like but if that person believe it's the truth from their perspective then you have to value that and believe that so at the end end of the day, it's just like a conversation where it's like open start.

Speaker 5 You lay it out. Your heart's on your sleeve.
You say how you feel about an individual and you know how that person feels. So it's not like, you know, you're throwing darts and hiding.

Speaker 5 You know what I'm saying? So you just say what it is and that's what it is and that's what it's not.

Speaker 1 You charge yourself 5%?

Speaker 1 10%?

Speaker 5 No, I charge myself 3%.

Speaker 1 You're a pretty fair Asian.

Speaker 1 I got a trust tree question. We can be open with each other.

Speaker 1 With the way things went down in Chicago, you get traded to the Ravens, how you guys have played the last couple of years of the Ravens, how the Bears have played the last couple years.

Speaker 1 I mean, you probably are like, man,

Speaker 1 that feels like a good change for me.

Speaker 1 You can be honest with me. Yeah, no.
It's not going well. I mean, it might be going well now.
We're turning the page maybe, but you missed some pretty bad years there.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, no doubt. Like, yeah, I would imagine my heart would probably hurt a little bit for sure, but I love the city of Chicago, obviously.

Speaker 5 But as far as just playing and losing like that, it was tough.

Speaker 5 It's definitely tough. But obviously, as a competitor, when you're going through it, you're like, we got a chance to actually win it all.
And you know how Bears fans are.

Speaker 5 You think even if you got one of the worst teams in the league, normally, you like still think you got a chance to like do something crazy. Yeah.
But like, I love that about the Bears fans.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm happy for you. I never, it was never like one of those things where like, fuck Roquan, you were trying to get paid.

Speaker 1 It's like, we're very player friendly in terms of like the podcast where it's like, guys are trying to get money. They only have so many shots at this.
Your career is only going to be so long.

Speaker 1 Like, go get your money. Figure it out, you know?

Speaker 5 Absolutely. You have to, because at the end of the day, the team is going to do what's best for them.
You have to treat yourself like a business and you have to do what's best for yourself because

Speaker 5 if they can get you on a cheaper deal, they're going to do it. And just like if you can get them on something more, you're going to do it as a player.
That's just the cost of doing business. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think the Ravens would have paid you all that money if they'd seen your first pitch at the Orioles game?

Speaker 5 Well, I don't play baseball, so maybe so.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you can tell a lot about a guy.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. You got lucky on that one, too, because they didn't have the camera.

Speaker 5 I was so happy about that.

Speaker 1 They didn't have the camera behind, you know, out in the outfield. The only footage that exists is like some guy that was up in the second level.
It was up there with 50 cents bad first.

Speaker 5 I don't know if it was as bad as he is now, but it was bad. It was definitely bad.
And I was so glad that they actually didn't like get it like that.

Speaker 5 Because I was thinking when it happened, I'm like, I hope to God that, like, they don't post this one that looks like, because the real one is bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not good. Did you warm up for that at all?

Speaker 5 No, see, I tried to tell my boy, one of my boys back in Chicago named Walker or whatever. So like, he ended up, he played baseball in college and everything.

Speaker 5 So I was like, all right, bro, leading up to it, I'm like, I need to go out and throw some balls with you, like practice throw around a little bit. And he's like, all right, bro, all right, I got you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Every weekend, same story.

Speaker 5 Oh, I'm going to do it. We're going to do it next week, this week.

Speaker 5 And so, yeah, it's Walker's fault. Yeah, it's all Walker's fault.

Speaker 1 All right, I know you got practice in a minute. I want to talk two Georgia things real quick.
The Rose Bowl. Was that the best game you ever played?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that atmosphere was like sick.

Speaker 5 Like, and the way the game went and how we played, played how we came back in that sense and like playing against a darn good team and like Oklahoma and a lot of star stud It was a star-studded team and like the way we fought through adversity that game It was it was it was pretty sick I enjoyed that and then the national championship obviously the two walk-off pass where were you in that on that play?

Speaker 1 Did you did you bite? What was going on?

Speaker 5 No, I didn't bite at all

Speaker 5 But it was basically like I was sitting in the middle in the middle of the field kind of well more so on my hash and then he looked one way and then went back the other way man And I honestly didn't watch that play for years.

Speaker 5 I never watched that play for years. Anytime somebody had that game on, I'll probably watch a couple plays, but then I will walk away.

Speaker 5 So it took me a while to actually watch that particular play because that was gut-wrenching.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're a great football player.
You're a tough guy. Maybe you can dispel the rumors that are floating out there about you.
You have chicks' handwriting?

Speaker 5 Oh, no. You say, like, I do write really neat.

Speaker 1 The quote I saw was, you write like a female. Yeah, I write really neat.

Speaker 1 Is that true?

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, some people do say it's very true because I like, I do write really neat. I started in school because I used to write and we used to have to write in cursive.

Speaker 5 Now you don't really do that in school. So it's like, I used to practice writing all the time.
It was like something we had to do like early on in school. So it's just something that stayed with me.

Speaker 5 And most people, most time when I write things, people be like,

Speaker 1 did you really write that? Like, yeah. Dude, I got neat handwriting too.
People always accuse me of that. We should not be ashamed just because we know how to write.
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Speaker 1 So you said you don't have Twitter, so I just name searched real quick and I wanted to read just a random tweet and you can tell me what you think.

Speaker 1 Someone tweeted, it was 2022, September 2022. I love watching Roquan explode onto dudes.

Speaker 1 That's kind of weird, right? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was my tweet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's like, it's definitely

Speaker 5 an interesting tweet, but

Speaker 5 it is like in football terms, you know what it is.

Speaker 1 I was clearly tweeting about a football game. You were playing for the Bears at the time.
I like watching you explode onto dudes. Sorry.
My bad.

Speaker 1 I got to find that highlight because you probably exploded on a dude. You got a great getoff.

Speaker 1 Busting dudes talent. No doubt.
All right. Well, Roquan, you're the man.
Best of luck this season. We're rooting for you.
And thanks so much for hanging out.

Speaker 5 Absolutely. Appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, guys on checks. Let's finish it off.
By the way, Thursday's Grit Week finale,

Speaker 1 you're going to want to watch. I'm very excited for you.
You're going to want to watch. You're going to want to watch.
Very excited. Return of an old friend.
Yes.

Speaker 1 you're gonna want to watch zap iqs oh another thing you're gonna want to watch is zach is the video that's coming out thursday yes yeah you're really gonna want to watch that one of the best like zach is extreme out of the pod videos we've ever done

Speaker 1 everybody was getting extreme it was awesome great day so you got so extreme i'm so proud of you dude for being so extreme I appreciate it, Big Hat, you too, man. Y'all are also careful.

Speaker 1 I mean, y'all are careful, too. Super extreme.
This might be extreme grit and extreme extreme week okay okay

Speaker 1 extreme week extreme week oh zach x what if i just lived in travis travis woods zach you're extreme extreme you're 2pt

Speaker 1 okay fuse fuse my bad self bellows but mostly zach hope the dating life is going well how does the group determine which training camps to visit during grit week congrats pft not embarrassing himself in front of jaden yes congrats thank you uh it it's really about where we can get interviews and what places are close to each other.

Speaker 1 And also, what we haven't been to either ever or in a long time.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 yeah, like we've done the South.

Speaker 1 I wish

Speaker 1 maybe we'll go back next year. The problem with the South, obviously, is the teams are very far apart.

Speaker 1 So, the travel is a little bit more logistically difficult. But, yeah, we've done what? We've done LA twice.

Speaker 1 We've done Buffalo a couple times. Northern California.
Yeah. We did.
We haven't done the Pacific Northwest yet. We did Ohio.

Speaker 1 Same thing, Pacific Northwest. It's hard.
Yeah. We've done Ohio.
We've done... Yeah, the whole Rust Belt a few times.
Yeah. We've never done Pittsburgh.
It's the Grand Capital. Yeah, it is.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, we did Dave DiCastro on the first time.

Speaker 1 We did, but we didn't go to actually like the camp. Yeah, we didn't get invited to the camp.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's funny because it used to be we would basically beg for players to come outside of training camp and go into either Vanny Woodhead or whatever we were driving.

Speaker 1 Now we actually get invited, which is nice. Makes it easier.
Makes it so that we can get better interviews for you guys. Yeah.

Speaker 5 What's up, Barcelona?

Speaker 1 Big Crab PFT Crab Cake Han Lockwood and crew.

Speaker 1 Han.

Speaker 1 H-O-N. Han.
Han. That's what you say in Baltimore.
Like, hey, Han. Yeah.
Han.

Speaker 1 Hope you boys enjoyed our great city of Baltimore.

Speaker 1 Assuming you've been to all. I did that on my own.
That's good. Assuming you've been to all four

Speaker 1 AFC North cities, rank them one to four solely based on grit.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's tough. That's actually very difficult to do.

Speaker 1 I don't, I can't. I can't rank them.

Speaker 1 It's number one most grit division in football. I'll try.

Speaker 1 I think I still would put Pittsburgh number one as grit. Steel.

Speaker 1 Come on. Yeah, but I mean, the river catches on fire.
I know. Then it's a Cleveland, Baltimore, and Cincinnati, which I really like.
Cincinnati is probably four.

Speaker 1 In grit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Cincinnati is also a beautiful place. I don't know.
I enjoyed my time in Cincinnati. This is very tough.
I refuse to rank out of respect for the division. Baltimore one.
Okay. Wire.

Speaker 1 And homicide. Pittsburgh, two.
Okay. Steel.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go. Okay.
Keep going. Cincinnati three.
I just don't like Cleveland. Okay.
All right. Cleveland.

Speaker 1 That's a bit unnecessary.

Speaker 1 Some great rankings. I'll go Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincinnati.
I abstain.

Speaker 1 That's pussy shit. It's Grit Week.
I abstain. I mean,

Speaker 1 Crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 But if I had to, which I'm not, I would put, just do a different order from what we just did. I would put...
Put Cleveland one. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put Cincinnati one. Okay.
Cleveland two,

Speaker 1 Baltimore three, Pittsburgh four. If I had to, which I won't.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We'll end on this. Hey, guys, wondering why Grit Week was a week earlier this year.
Always enjoyed hearing your recap watching the Hard Knocks Premiere at an AWS house. Love the show.
No birds.

Speaker 1 It's really all about when people will have us and when the schedule opens up for us.

Speaker 1 So it just made more sense to do it this week this year. It also was, I agree, stinks that we aren't doing that.
We'll do that next year.

Speaker 1 The problem is the way the schedule has shifted because we ran into this last year.

Speaker 1 The schedule has shifted and camps.

Speaker 1 Start to travel for Yeah, camps are different than what they used to be, where it felt like every team would just go to a different like off location for four or five weeks.

Speaker 1 Now teams do it at their facilities, and a lot of teams will do like the first two weeks, everyone's like there and staying at a hotel, and then like after that, they'll let them go to their houses, and it gets a little dispersed.

Speaker 1 So we found that like last year, we were going to go, I think a week later, and we try to do the schedule, and they're like, oh, yeah, we're traveling, or guys just aren't here, we can't guarantee it.

Speaker 1 So, the first two weeks of camp is like when everyone is here and they're like captive. But, yeah,

Speaker 1 there have been times when teams say we can't do that week, we could do either the week after or the week before, and then we just have to kind of change everything and say, Okay, if it means that we get the interviews, we'll just do it when you will have us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, but we will bring that back next year for sure. Uh, okay, good show.
Uh,

Speaker 1 you want to you want to get a number? Put a number on your phone: One to a hundred

Speaker 1 Everyone want to guess a number? Three.

Speaker 1 Do you have it? Okay, 21.

Speaker 1 Uh

Speaker 1 54.

Speaker 1 78

Speaker 1 12. 71.
Let's go. Tim Ryan.
This is the old boss.

Speaker 1 Old boss. Six.
33. Six.
I saw the number.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Ghostwriter. Wow, that's man of honor.

Speaker 1 85. All right, what's the number?

Speaker 1 35. No one got it.
Damn. No one got it.
Good number. Yeah.
All right. See you everyone Friday.
Love you guys.