Jason Kelce, Chris Berman, Super Bowl 59, NBA Trade Deadline + Fyre Fest From New Orleans

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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take, we have two incredible interviews to end Super Bowl week. Jason Kelsey in the pardon my take temporary studio was awesome.

Speaker 1 We also had special guests Roan, Max, and Kate, who stole the show with Jason.

Speaker 1 And then we have the Schwamm, Chris Berman, Super Bowl tradition. Have to have him on every Super Bowl week.
This is four years running.

Speaker 6 Let's just say there were tears.

Speaker 1 There were tears. We're going to talk a little NBA.

Speaker 6 Very unexpected source of tears.

Speaker 1 Yes. We're going to talk some NBA trade deadline.
We're going to talk Super Bowl preview, our favorite props, how Max is feeling going into the big game.

Speaker 1 And then we have Fire Fest ending Super Bowl 59 week.

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Speaker 1 Today is Friday, February 7th, and it's Max Week. Max Week.
The finale of Max Week. We are finally here.
Super Bowl 59.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 6 Max. How you feeling?

Speaker 1 Good guy?

Speaker 11 I feel good.

Speaker 11 I don't feel too much different from Monday until now. I still feel confident.

Speaker 1 I'm still scared of patrick mahomes i still think we're going to win the football game yeah yeah have you have you when when are you going to ramp up the partying

Speaker 1 what a noise

Speaker 1 it's a tough question

Speaker 4 no

Speaker 11 i still have to edit tonight

Speaker 11 So I'll probably dip my toes in tonight and then tomorrow, tomorrow it's fun. Tomorrow it's full go.
It's full go.

Speaker 1 I love it. Tomorrow it's full go.

Speaker 6 From Friday morning to Sunday night.

Speaker 11 Friday afternoon. Monday.
Friday afternoon.

Speaker 1 Hopefully until Monday morning. Hopefully till Tuesday.
Hopefully the parade.

Speaker 1 What if Lane Johnson gets you in a parade? I mean, that's not going to happen. Why not?

Speaker 6 Max did. I think.

Speaker 1 Big Dom could get you in a parade.

Speaker 11 Maybe Big Dom.

Speaker 1 I mean, this isn't crazy.

Speaker 11 I'm just thinking of

Speaker 11 I'm just comparing it to Lane Johnson doesn't like me like Missoula likes like Tampa.

Speaker 11 But Big Dom does love Big Dom. Big Dom is my Paison.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's a little, like you're jinxing a little, thinking about the parade?

Speaker 11 You asked me a question. I answered the question.

Speaker 1 I thought I wasn't thinking about it. But you were thinking about the parade.

Speaker 11 Not until you asked me the question.

Speaker 1 But you eventually, like, you just started thinking about the parade.

Speaker 11 I hadn't, it literally hadn't crossed my mind until you said that.

Speaker 1 What's your locked level? Locked?

Speaker 11 I need to get more locked.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 My brain has been slipping this week.

Speaker 1 Have you broken down film? Do you have keys to the game?

Speaker 1 Win, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's not

Speaker 1 0%.

Speaker 1 I don't have keys to game.

Speaker 11 This is brutal. You want to know how locked in I am? How? Yeah.
What were my keys to the game against commanders?

Speaker 6 I think it was winning.

Speaker 11 What happened?

Speaker 5 You won. You won.

Speaker 11 What are my keys to the game?

Speaker 1 Same game plan. Yeah.
Don't you think that's the same thing?

Speaker 1 Don't you think the Chiefs know that game plan now? Like, the blueprint's out.

Speaker 11 You can't stop winning.

Speaker 11 I want you to tell me how you stop winning.

Speaker 6 Because if the Chiefs have been watching,

Speaker 6 they know what your keys to the game are from last week, and they can counter that. That's a great point.

Speaker 1 They can win harder. By the way, PFT, you look great.

Speaker 1 I should have said that. I should have said that to start.

Speaker 6 I feel great.

Speaker 1 You look incredible.

Speaker 6 I went out, picked up some new threads. I feel pretty good about it.

Speaker 6 I got some new shoes. Apparently, you don't wear socks with shoes anymore.
So I'm not wearing socks.

Speaker 6 And then socks are out. Plaid pants.
Then I got every country in the world. I have a world map, which our sound guy very astutely pointed out.

Speaker 6 Like, this is just the country country equivalent of my NFL shirt that I was wearing. Yes.
He was right on the money.

Speaker 1 And the Kangle hat?

Speaker 6 And the Kangle hat. The Kangle hat is awesome.

Speaker 1 It does tie it all together.

Speaker 6 I got in here and Hank instantly got jealous. Oh.
Moody turned sour immediately. Yeah.

Speaker 12 No, I just said, you look, what time's your tea time?

Speaker 6 That's very funny, huh? Well, you're, I mean, you're still.

Speaker 1 You also made fun of Hank.

Speaker 11 You were like, you're dressed like a five-year-old. He's wearing like a five-year-old.

Speaker 6 He's wearing off-white shoes and a kid.

Speaker 1 He's also in a kit shirt.

Speaker 4 So it's like

Speaker 1 Kith is cool. It was you trying to flex on him by

Speaker 6 this?

Speaker 11 Significantly cooler than you.

Speaker 6 Not significantly cooler than you.

Speaker 1 I would say Hank is dressed cooler. PFT is 100 times swaggier.

Speaker 6 Hank looks like a drug dealer in 1989. That's what he looks like.

Speaker 10 I look like a...

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so, PFT.

Speaker 1 It's swagger.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 I just realized what I said. Fair point.

Speaker 1 He looks like a drug dealer in 2025.

Speaker 6 Scarface.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you look like you should be in Scarface as like, yeah, that's not a bad thing but like 1989 i whatever you're stealing all the swag how about this we both look listen for the very first time i went out and i i spent money on clothes today for the low cost of

Speaker 6 three thousand dollars put this outfit together and i feel good about it i don't i think you're serious i am serious No way.

Speaker 1 Those shoes might be expensive.

Speaker 6 Max asked me what kind of shoes these are. I said brown.
Brown. I don't know.
Yeah. Anyone want to mention like 300?

Speaker 1 Anyone want to mention my

Speaker 6 black t-shirt?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 6 It's a nice black t-shirt. Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's It's so much fun.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I picked this out today when I was looking at the seven black t-shirts I packed.

Speaker 6 But let's not let Max off the hook because I don't think

Speaker 6 you're not dialed.

Speaker 1 No, he's not dialed. No, I'm not.
He's loose right now, and it's in a loose in a bad way. Are you worried about Jalen Carter being sick?

Speaker 11 Who's sick for five days? He'll be fine.

Speaker 6 Magic Johnson? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fair. I didn't think that's the same thing.
Also, the entire Eagles' locker room,

Speaker 6 they might be sick too. There's worries that it's spreading through the locker room.

Speaker 11 It's probably food poisoning.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 It's probably the bucket.

Speaker 1 That's still not good. You still don't feel like if you have food poisoning on Thursday, you're not going to feel 100% on Sunday.

Speaker 11 Will literally ran a 4-9

Speaker 1 12 hours removed from food poisoning.

Speaker 6 Okay. That also might have been just hungover.

Speaker 1 Nah, that was food poisoning. All right, so you're not dialed, not locked in.

Speaker 11 I'm not going to say not dialed, but I'm going to leave room for improvement on the dial.

Speaker 6 Okay, but one thing I got to learn this week is the most dial I saw Max was when we were drunk on Monday.

Speaker 1 So once you get a couple drinks, then you'll be back. It's worked.

Speaker 11 This has been work week.

Speaker 1 This has been work week.

Speaker 11 It's really Max weekend is when it's really going to return.

Speaker 6 So Max, Max Monday. If you don't have keys to the game, at least show me the path.

Speaker 6 What has to happen?

Speaker 4 I've said the path.

Speaker 11 What do the Eagles have to do?

Speaker 10 Eagles.

Speaker 11 They don't need to start hot because sometimes they don't start hot.

Speaker 4 They need to be.

Speaker 11 They don't. Sometimes they don't.
Sometimes they're a second half team. They need to be up two scores going into the fourth quarter.
That's my key to the game.

Speaker 1 Would you say that being up two scores going into the fourth quarter, it would be easier to do that if you started hot? Correct.

Speaker 11 But like the Chiefs can score first and we can still get to up two scores. Okay, true.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 You've got to win the middle. Small quarters.

Speaker 6 You don't have to score first.

Speaker 11 No, don't have to score first.

Speaker 6 Second and third quarters. That's your time.

Speaker 1 Yes, the second.

Speaker 6 The middle four is huge. Do you kick off or do you receive?

Speaker 11 Kick off off, always. Our defense is so good.

Speaker 1 Do you have to score second?

Speaker 11 No, we can score first.

Speaker 1 No, no, but do you have to score?

Speaker 1 Could the Chiefs score first and second?

Speaker 11 Depends on the scores. If it's the field goal, field goal.

Speaker 1 What about if it's touchdown, field goal?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Touchdown, field goal, I would not be feeling good.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 1 Here's the reality of the situation.

Speaker 6 A touchdown, field goal, you can come back from. 10-0, you can do that.
But if you start out getting safetied and it's 2-0, that's that's game over.

Speaker 11 That's a fact. Yeah, safety would be tough.

Speaker 6 2-0 is absolutely just stop the game.

Speaker 1 Max, is this a must-win or can't lose?

Speaker 11 This is a must-n't lose.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm gonna answer. Mustn't lose.

Speaker 6 Must not. We must not lose.

Speaker 11 A mustn't lose.

Speaker 6 Have you thought about your pregame meal?

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 6 Of course. What do you mean?

Speaker 11 Well, I thought stupidly, and someone rightfully corrected me.

Speaker 6 I almost

Speaker 11 just tried to run it back. I was like, I I should get Taco Bell before.
And I was like, that's very stupid because we lost that Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 So I have thought about it, haven't answered it.

Speaker 1 No, dude, it sounds like you've thought more about the parade than the pregame meal.

Speaker 11 You asked me a question.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 11 I answered the question.

Speaker 6 Have you thought about how many drinks you're going to have in your system at kickoff?

Speaker 11 Great question. No.

Speaker 6 Oh, you got to know that.

Speaker 1 You have to know that. Are we going, like, what's the range that you're looking for?

Speaker 1 That's a fluid fluid situation i gotta see how it's not he's not that bad you have to have a plan because that means he's gonna be blacked out yes if you have no plan you're planning on having 20.

Speaker 1 no truly's only okay okay you're gonna get unruly yeah i'm gonna be unruly okay but respect responsibly unruly yeah you're responsibly unruly have you and roan talked about what time you're going to like start drinking on sunday going into the game No, we have not spoken about it.

Speaker 2 These are the most important parts.

Speaker 11 I do think we're going to be with Lil Sass as well, but he's sitting by himself. Okay.
So that's another thing.

Speaker 1 But these are details you got to figure out.

Speaker 6 It's like, just like you're playing the game. You have to script the first 15 drinks.
Right.

Speaker 1 And you also have to, like, what time are you going to wake up on Sunday? Are you going to sleep in? Are you going to get, like, are you going to get to the game an hour early?

Speaker 4 What's the plan?

Speaker 6 Not locked in. No.
This is bad. Good news is you can walk there.
So, like, yeah.

Speaker 1 True. I can walk there.
I can walk back. You're going to put on the boot?

Speaker 11 I'm going to put on the boot.

Speaker 6 I like that. That's good.
We've got some preparation there.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I'm putting on the boot.

Speaker 6 But we don't know pre-game meal. We don't know.
I think if you score first, shoey.

Speaker 11 No. I can't do.
Doing a shoey before. If they win, I promised if they win, a shoey.
Okay.

Speaker 11 I will do a champagne shoey if they win.

Speaker 6 You have to think about your night before meal, too. Like, what's your dinner? What are you going to load up on?

Speaker 1 Seafood.

Speaker 6 Oysters.

Speaker 11 Oysters. No, I think I'm...

Speaker 11 I think come Saturday, no more seafood

Speaker 11 because I don't want to risk the chance of sea poisoning going into

Speaker 11 the game.

Speaker 1 So you got one detail set.

Speaker 1 He's not going to eat gumbo on Saturday or anyway.

Speaker 11 Well, I could, I mean, there's, you know,

Speaker 11 the gumbo yaya. I could do

Speaker 11 sausage and chicken, but no seafood because

Speaker 11 we just can't be having food poisoning

Speaker 11 going into the big game.

Speaker 6 No, the Eagles win, who's the MVP?

Speaker 11 Who should the MVP should have been?

Speaker 11 If the Eagles win,

Speaker 11 you know what? I think it's going to be Jalen Harris. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 I think it has to be Jalen Harris. I think it's going to come down.
I think the Chiefs, we're actually going to break down the game. Well, actually,

Speaker 1 let's do some national sports podcast stuff and then we'll break down the game a little bit with some props. Yeah, I'll check out parlay.
All right, check out for well, we have some sixers.

Speaker 1 National Sports Podcast News: Virginia McCasky has passed away at the young age of 102.

Speaker 6 Gone too soon.

Speaker 1 R.I.P.

Speaker 4 R.I.P.

Speaker 6 And that's kind of all I got right now.

Speaker 1 Moment of silence. Moment of silence.

Speaker 1 I felt good.

Speaker 1 Her dying? No, the moment of silence. Yes.

Speaker 1 It will be interesting to see what happens with the Bears' ownership.

Speaker 1 She did get to see her last game that she watched was the Packers beating the Packers. That's pretty cool.
I think.

Speaker 6 102 is crazy. It is crazy.
I don't, for the record, I do not want to be 102. Yeah.
I never want to get there.

Speaker 1 No, I don't either.

Speaker 6 I feel like.

Speaker 1 Unless I own an NFL team. Then I do.

Speaker 6 What if they suck?

Speaker 1 I still would probably want to be 100.

Speaker 6 You'd want to be 102 and then go through this season again?

Speaker 9 Owning an NFL team would be sick, though. It would.
Like, you don't want to die if you're owning an NFL team.

Speaker 6 I don't want to be 102, regardless.

Speaker 1 Either way, obviously, her father basically started the NFL. She's been the Bears owner for a long time, so she's

Speaker 1 sad.

Speaker 4 Well, it's not sad. It's 102.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable life.

Speaker 4 Incredible life lived.

Speaker 6 102. I mean, we're in New Orleans.

Speaker 6 they celebrate death.

Speaker 12 Yeah. They do a line, a funeral line.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going to end up happening with the Bears ownership, but that's. It's not a time to think about that.

Speaker 6 It does kind of rock.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow's the time to think about that.

Speaker 6 It does kind of rock that she said, like, yeah, I'll spend all my money on this new coach, and then she doesn't have to actually do that. Yeah.
That's the way to go. Yeah.

Speaker 6 When I'm like 95, I'm going to make a major financial commitment and then load up on a huge batch of heroin. Yes.
That's my plan.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 1 RIP, Virginia McCasky, 102. Not a drug guy.
Not a drug guy.

Speaker 9 102 is nuts.

Speaker 1 It is crazy.

Speaker 1 So she was born in 1923? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Holy fuck.

Speaker 1 Saw World War II. All of it.

Speaker 1 Saw the

Speaker 6 Great Depression.

Speaker 1 Great depression. Dust Bowl.
Pearl Hall.

Speaker 6 Is she older than the Hoover Dam? That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Probably. Yeah, she is.
She's older than Highways.

Speaker 1 That's insane. That's insane.

Speaker 6 She was older than Highways. I did appreciate in the uh the write-up what that's crazy.

Speaker 1 That's uh that's not computing in my how is she older than there weren't suit there weren't a lot of cars yeah like they were invented highways yeah that's true so how did people get from one city there were roads but like in terms of like the the full U.S.

Speaker 1 highway system that didn't happen until like right after the Great Depression yeah is route 60 isn't that a highway yeah 66 it sure is the Hoover Dam that was at after

Speaker 1 1936 was the Hoover Dam yep highways so she remembers the Hoover Dam being being built.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 On

Speaker 1 signed legislation. On 1956, President Dwight Eisenhower signed legislation funding the construction of the U.S.
Interstate Highway System. Think about that, Max.
She's older than highways.

Speaker 1 That's fucking insane. Yep.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we talk some trade deadline? I did some winners and losers based on basically just vibes.
Okay.

Speaker 5 So I got real no intel.

Speaker 1 By the way, our NBA preview will be coming

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 two weeks. So Ryan Russell will be on for that.
We're going to do a full NBA preview. It's about time for NBA to start.

Speaker 14 All right.

Speaker 1 You want my winners and losers real quick? And again, this is based off vibes. So people are going to be like, you don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 You might know a little bit more memes, so you can correct me if I'm wrong on any of my winners and losers. All right.
Winner Lakers. Yep.
Luca.

Speaker 1 Also Mark Williams, even though he gets injured a bunch, they did need a big. That feels like a pretty good trade for them.
They traded Dalton Connect and a pick to the Charlotte Hornets.

Speaker 6 Which that was basically a free roll because they should have been in the Luca trade. Correct.

Speaker 1 That was like, oh, yeah, we, yeah, we got, yeah, those Dalton Connect and that unprotected first should have been for Luca.

Speaker 1 And they're like, yeah, we'll just take a shot on Mark Williams, who is injured a lot, but also if he's good.

Speaker 1 And if he is not injured, he's exactly what they needed.

Speaker 6 I mean, Dalton Connect was good, though. I liked watching him.
There's only one ball. And he could just score.
Yeah, you're right. He needed the ball.

Speaker 4 He was a scorer.

Speaker 6 Not a lot of defense.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of defense.

Speaker 6 They're also winners because LeBron didn't leave.

Speaker 6 He said, I'm here right now. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Which means right at this very second, he's there, which I don't know if he's planning on leaving, but there were rumors that he might be interested in going to the Warriors, which I think would have made everybody hate basketball.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Right? If they got everyone.
You would have liked that?

Speaker 1 Yeah. It would have been cool if you had a lot of people.
If they got KD, LeBron, and Smith?

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 they wouldn't have gotten KD and LeBron, I don't think. Well, they were all names that were like floating around.
I'm glad that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 1 Other winners. Oh, by the way, because we're consistent on this podcast, Hank.

Speaker 1 Did you see Luca in a Lakers jersey?

Speaker 1 Negative aura.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I did not.
Like, just the look of it was bad aura.

Speaker 6 You haven't seen him sweat in it, though.

Speaker 1 That's true, but I just, something about it just didn't work.

Speaker 6 77 doesn't hit the same. It just didn't work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. It just didn't work.

Speaker 6 I don't think anybody looks good dry in an NBA jersey.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 6 They don't. Like, if you just need him to wet.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 6 I got him to oil up a little bit. Oil up a little bit.
Then let's see if you got the aura. All right.

Speaker 1 Other winner, I thought the Cavs getting DeAndre Hunter was big. It's huge.
Cavs are going for it.

Speaker 12 They needed that.

Speaker 1 And the Hawks are tanking now, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah. So that was big.
I thought that was a big win. Miami for trading Jimmy Butler and getting rid of him.
And the Warriors for getting Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 1 Win-win.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 You got playoff Jimmy, maybe. Yeah.
That's going to be, I think, if they get to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I don't fully understand what the Warriors' plan is. I think it's just Steph's going to have to shoot all the threes because

Speaker 11 they have less.

Speaker 1 Like, Jimmy Butler and Draymond

Speaker 1 really shoot threes.

Speaker 6 I think Draymond's one of the bigger losers.

Speaker 5 You think so?

Speaker 6 Because the Warriors had a deal where Kevin Durant was going to be going to the Warriors that he basically shut down just because he doesn't want to play with Draymond again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would make him a loser for sure. But

Speaker 1 I think the Warriors should be better just because it's playoff Jimmy with playoffs

Speaker 1 old as that's what i'm saying he's older i mean steph is 36 jimmy butler's 35 but that's why

Speaker 1 he's still good though jimmy butler's no but that there's a difference between regular season j-bomb and playoffs and playoff j-bomb yeah you know that there is they might win a series barely in the playoffs right now and miami wins because they got rid of jimmy butler who is being a bitch would you guys agree with that oh yeah and then i mean i think he was being jimmy butler yeah

Speaker 6 Like this is what you expect. Yeah, that is what you expect.

Speaker 1 My other winner is the Clippers just because I like Bogedan Bogdanovich.

Speaker 6 It's fun to say.

Speaker 4 And he's just, like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I feel like he can get hot.

Speaker 6 You don't like the Spurs? I think the Spurs should be a winner. Spurs are winners.
DeAndre Fox, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
DeAron Fox. DeAndre Fox, yeah.

Speaker 6 You're a winner. I'm a big watcher of his.
You could be...

Speaker 1 The Kings, I mean, the Kings getting Zach Levine for not a lot could be winners as well. I like the Beam.
Yeah. My losers are...

Speaker 6 What about

Speaker 6 the Wizards and the Kings, I feel like, just for making a lot of moves.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, the Wizards getting Marcus Smart.

Speaker 5 That was a win. They just made moves.

Speaker 6 I don't know that they were winning moves, but I just like that they were so active.

Speaker 6 Every tweet was like the Wizards were just moving pieces around. I feel bad for Marcus Smart.
I feel terrible.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing about him to come home.

Speaker 6 Here's the thing about what the Wizards are doing.

Speaker 6 They're moving names around. They're doing stuff with the salary cap that I don't understand, but I know that what they're engaged in is just active tanking.

Speaker 6 They're going to trade this middleton. And for the longest time,

Speaker 6 they did not have a plan.

Speaker 6 And their plan was, it was even worse than the Bulls' plan because we would finish outside of the playoffs, but not be bad enough to get a one-pick or a two-pick until last season.

Speaker 6 Then we finally got competent

Speaker 6 front office when we got the dude from Oklahoma City, and now we've had a plan in place where it's like, you have to get really fucking bad.

Speaker 6 And I'm completely on board with getting as bad as possible. That's the key.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the NBA, you like Quentin Grimes, Sixers a winner?

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 Who cares?

Speaker 6 You saw Jay Biscuits. I saw this also winners.
Why?

Speaker 6 Caleb Martin, Chris Middleton, sell the Killers out of the picture.

Speaker 1 Well, they're in the East still, right? Yeah,

Speaker 11 Cale Martin went to the Mavs. Middleton's.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, he's in the East.

Speaker 6 They're all kind of playing in the playoffs. Just right down the street.

Speaker 6 What about

Speaker 6 are you not afraid of Kyle Kuzma? No.

Speaker 6 You're not? No. You just don't like people with fashion.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's a fact.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're afraid of it.

Speaker 6 It's very funny because all the talking hands on the ESPN were like, I like this trade for the Bucks. Kyle Kuzma,

Speaker 6 I know he's sucked, but that's just because he was in Washington. But now that he's gone, he's going to be good again.

Speaker 6 And I thought about it for, I got mad for a second, and I was like, kind of right. Yeah, that's that's a very accurate statement.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 What do you got, Henry? This is bad podcasting, so we need to cut this.

Speaker 6 Who is the guy that looks like Kramer on ESPN? Uh, that's Bob. Is it Bob Myers?

Speaker 6 He's the guy from

Speaker 1 the Warriors. Yeah, that's Bob Myers.

Speaker 13 What about him?

Speaker 6 He's just, I was watching.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you're right. That was good.

Speaker 1 I know. This is good podcasting.

Speaker 1 You literally just, you took a picture of your TV because you're like, Zach Kramer? I was like, what is Kramer? Kramer looking at this. This is

Speaker 1 some good NBA breakdown. I know that you can listen to a bunch of other podcasts.

Speaker 1 We're breaking down high-level NBA.

Speaker 6 Like that was like Kramer's dad. Yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 6 he's a good front office guy. Yeah.

Speaker 6 He helped pick Dan Quinn.

Speaker 1 I really hate that the NBA trade deadline is Super Bowl weak. Like, come on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is still.

Speaker 6 This is their revenge for Christmas.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
My losers, real quick. Phoenix, because Bradley Beal just refuses to go anywhere, right? That feels like a bad situation.

Speaker 6 If you were Bradley Beal, what would you do? I know I said last week,

Speaker 6 you have the no trade clause. You got that written in for a reason, but just fuck it.
Just like, don't use your no trade clause.

Speaker 1 It's also like you basically blocked the sons from getting better at all, and then you come back in that locker room and everyone's like, oh, hey, dude.

Speaker 6 Glad you're silly. Thanks so much.
Yeah, it's going to suck. Yeah.
It's going to suck. Like, you're not, yeah, you'll still have that contract.
You'll still have the same house.

Speaker 6 You'll still have the same drive into work every day, but it's going to get a lot worse.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the Mavs are losers for the Luka trade.

Speaker 1 Raptors, I just, I don't really understand getting Brandon Ingram when they're out of the playoffs right now. And maybe they're trying to get to the playing game.
I don't really know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do. I do too, but like, I feel like the Raptors should be tanking, right?

Speaker 6 Maybe it's a tariff thing.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's a tariff thing. And then the Bulls are a big loser because they didn't do anything that they should have done besides trade Zach Levine.

Speaker 6 But that was a big thing.

Speaker 1 But they didn't trade Vuch.

Speaker 1 They didn't trade Kobe White, who seven teams were interested.

Speaker 1 And it's like they're just the dumbest organization in AK's dumbest. And they extended Lonzo Ball.
I like Lonzo Ball, but like, what do you do? It's just none of the moves stack up together.

Speaker 6 It is funny that the NBA is at its best when we're not talking about games. Yeah.
We're just talking about guys moving to different cities. and playoffs.

Speaker 1 I love the playoffs.

Speaker 6 And being next to other guys. It's like, oh, imagine if Luca was in LA.
Imagine if KD was in New York. Imagine if LeBron was in Riyadh.

Speaker 1 I guess the Warriors wanted Vooch and they just, the Bulls couldn't do it because they're fucking stupid. And then, yeah, seven teams.

Speaker 1 It's basically the same thing that happened last year with Alex Caruso. They're like, yeah, let's just do that mistake again.

Speaker 12 Yeah. So they're fucking idiots.

Speaker 1 Memes, did we miss any big trades? Anything that tickled you? No.

Speaker 1 This song?

Speaker 15 The Brandon Ingram one. Toronto made a lot of moves.
The Pelicans made a lot of moves. I'm more interested in the buyout market right now.

Speaker 1 Oh. Oh, tell me about the buyout market.

Speaker 15 I want Chris Middleton on the Knicks.

Speaker 1 Oh. I think he's a perfect wing backup.
What about Brandon Ingram?

Speaker 11 I think he's going to stay in Toronto.

Speaker 6 Can you explain to me, like I'm five, how that market works? So the Wizards trade assets.

Speaker 1 So pretty much

Speaker 1 trade assets.

Speaker 6 And then we just

Speaker 6 pay him to not play for us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then someone else.

Speaker 6 Then that's good for us.

Speaker 15 Yeah, because you already got the other assets and you traded away who you needed to trade away.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 6 I don't understand salary caps.

Speaker 3 No, it makes no sense.

Speaker 15 And a lot of people who got traded today are just going to get bought out.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So Marcus Smart?

Speaker 15 Yeah, Mark Smart potentially.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hank.

Speaker 1 Pretty much

Speaker 1 the big picture trade deadline is it's rigged for the Lakers

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 a lot of dumb organizations continue to do dumb things, and the Warriors are going to have at least be more interesting. Yeah,

Speaker 6 one last ride for Steph.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one last ride for Steph. But yeah, we are going to have Rosillo on to break down or to preview the NBA.

Speaker 1 But it's still football season, it's still football season.

Speaker 6 It is, we got one game left. Enjoy it.
I was thinking about what how my brain is going to feel on Monday morning with no football.

Speaker 1 I don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it.
Did you guys see, by the way, Rob Bryan's press conference?

Speaker 6 No. It was incredible.

Speaker 1 It was incredible. I don't know if this is bad podcasting, but I can just play it because it was just so, it was so, so good.
He is, I think, the linebackers coach at USC. He is, yeah.

Speaker 1 Here, I'll play it.

Speaker 1 We can cut it if it doesn't make sense, but it was.

Speaker 14 All right, here he is.

Speaker 16 Watch where we finish this year.

Speaker 17 Watch where we finish this year.

Speaker 16 This guy is special.

Speaker 17 He's special. He knows how to get it done.
He's a great communicator, great teacher. He's fun to be around.
He makes everybody better, including the coaches.

Speaker 16 And, you know, we'll see. You know, I'm looking forward for the, what do you call it, spring ball or whatever?

Speaker 1 I can't wait.

Speaker 13 We're going to go against the best.

Speaker 16 Oh, good.

Speaker 16 Bring it on.

Speaker 1 Bam, we're going to get after his dog.

Speaker 17 But anyway, it'll be great. We're excited.
You know, and I saw the Mayava guy, I coached his uncle. I hated that kid when I first had him, him, a USC kid, a little captain.

Speaker 16 Remember, he could walk under this table right here.

Speaker 1 He's doing a fucking bitch.

Speaker 6 Like, oh man, he's dominating every inch of that stage.

Speaker 16 I was like, this kid during the OTAs.

Speaker 16 Man, this guy, man, you gotta run the cover guy. Anyway,

Speaker 16 so then I'm like, hey, guys,

Speaker 17 going on vacation with the family, going out to Hawaii, going to Maui. I've never been to Maui.

Speaker 13 I run things in Oahu, but I'm like, I'm going to go to Maui.

Speaker 13 Hey, Rob,

Speaker 13 you get in any kind of trouble now?

Speaker 16 You just tell them you know Kalukes.

Speaker 1 I'm like, man,

Speaker 1 yeah, I'll tell them I know Kalukes.

Speaker 1 This is a prosperous.

Speaker 1 It's all good.

Speaker 6 Just face around like Chris Rock.

Speaker 17 Go out there.

Speaker 17 No rent a car.

Speaker 16 What do you mean you never called for the rent a car? I told you she's Greek. I'm like, yeah, they must have lost it.
So, of course, I forgot to call.

Speaker 13 Now they're out of cars.

Speaker 13 I'm in Maui. I got no car.

Speaker 13 So what do I do?

Speaker 13 I know Kalukes.

Speaker 13 I got a car. Oh, you know Kaluk's?

Speaker 1 Swear to God, hand to God, there's a Kalukuk.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I ended up loving the kid.

Speaker 16 He was, oh man, is he me as a rattlesnake? There was a reason why that kid was captain with all those first-round draft choices. I love that guy.

Speaker 16 Luke's can be deceiving.

Speaker 1 That's so good.

Speaker 6 There were like nine times in that one story where I was like, please, please stop talking because you're about to say something that's going to get you in trouble.

Speaker 1 Big trouble.

Speaker 1 I mean, that was just, I love him so much. He was just pacing the whole stage.
We're talking rent-a-cars in Maui. I know Kalukes.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so if you're in Maui, just say, hey, I know Kaluk's.

Speaker 1 Tougher than a rattlesnake. Oh, man.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so that would be fun having Rob Bryan in the USC I'm excited we got Ron Rivera going back to school too oh he's going to what Cal right oh he's going to be

Speaker 6 consulting to the GM at Cal. I love it.
So he told the text that he sent to Adam Schafter was

Speaker 6 it was going back to school is cool again. Bill Belichick taught me that.
So I'm going back to school.

Speaker 4 Very cool, Ron.

Speaker 1 Very cool.

Speaker 1 Do we think Josh isn't going to win the MVP, right? It's going to be Lamar?

Speaker 6 I don't know. It's like 50-50 right now.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be mad. Like, Lamar deserves it as much as Josh, but it would be cool if Josh wins.

Speaker 6 I would like to see Josh win just because

Speaker 6 seeing the story with Josh and being

Speaker 6 around him enough over all these years, it would be very cool to see that after everyone doubted him. So in my heart, I would like that, but my wallet wants Lamar very badly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 And if I get Lamar,

Speaker 6 15 grand. No doinks.
No doinks. If they let me put that in, do you think they'll let me bet that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think they will. They should.

Speaker 6 No, I'm just shaking my head like you shouldn't do that.

Speaker 6 Why? Well, what happened? Because it's such a dumb bet.

Speaker 1 It's the easiest. It's electric for the gamblers.

Speaker 6 It's an investment, Hank. It's a 10% overnight investment.
It only didn't hit last time because of a fluke.

Speaker 1 But what happened?

Speaker 6 Okay, there were, I think there were seven. No, there were eight kids.

Speaker 5 It was like the first kick in the game.

Speaker 1 There were eight games. There were eight.

Speaker 6 No, that's not true.

Speaker 12 PFD, I got your bad.

Speaker 6 There were like eight kicks in the last game. Seven of them did not hit the uprights.

Speaker 6 That's like 85%. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 uh we'll get to it later but we had a really fun uh

Speaker 6 friendly competition the other night where we all competed and and did different activities throwing kicking you were really good uh how were you how was i did you make all your kicks i did not make all my kicks what happened on the one you missed i was barefoot and i kicked it and i doinked it

Speaker 6 doesn't mean the doinks out of the way does that mean it's less likely that these are going to doink i'm with pft

Speaker 6 pft i will yeah how many kicks eight how many kicks did you hit it you know uh Seven out of ten.

Speaker 6 Oh, you're going to bet the no-doinks.

Speaker 1 I'm going to bet the noinks. All right, now I've got to get out of here.

Speaker 1 I'm totally right because the last time this was the Super Bowl, you got my foxhole. I'm going to get your foxhole.

Speaker 6 I appreciate that. Here's the best.

Speaker 1 Whatever you bet, I'm going to bet the exact same number.

Speaker 6 I want to bet against it.

Speaker 6 But I can't, like, just prepare. You should.
You should bet against it. Yeah, you know you're going to anyway.
I have a Lamar future as well, and I might put all that on doink.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you know you're going to. Oh, we got a doink off.
All right, so

Speaker 6 let me prepare you for what you're going to experience with a no-doinks bet.

Speaker 1 Oh, don't do this.

Speaker 6 Every single time. Don't do this.
Josh is going to win anyway. Every single time someone scores a touchdown, you're going to hope to God they go for two for some reason for a second.

Speaker 6 Then when they line up to kick, your butthole is going to shrink up to about the size of an electronic.

Speaker 1 Okay, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to be.

Speaker 6 He doesn't want the smoke. No, I'm.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 6 I haven't got to the good part yet.

Speaker 1 Okay, but would you rather me bet the exact same amount as you or just be all in with you?

Speaker 6 Just be all in.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be all in. I'm going to root for you.

Speaker 1 I'm going to root for this fucking loser.

Speaker 6 Do not put 15. It's not for the faint of heart.

Speaker 1 I've already got that put away for tails anyway.

Speaker 6 Bet a little bit on it. But yeah, and then after the ball goes through or misses and doesn't hit the upright, it's a great feeling because statistically,

Speaker 1 it's a good investment. Yeah.

Speaker 6 But you just have to be prepared

Speaker 1 to go through hell. I'm going to be rooting like hell.

Speaker 6 Doinks are very rare. They're more rare than you think.
You only hear about doinks because every time it happens, the NFL has put microphones closer and closer to uprights to to make them sound bigger

Speaker 1 and then everybody in the world tweets doink at the same time that's why you think it happens all the time come on put your money where your mouth is Lamar wins I will do it I will do it anyway it's great odds yeah plus 500 right do it anyway Good luck.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do our favorite props and any other breakdown of the big game.

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Speaker 1 Okay, boys,

Speaker 1 let's break down this game a little bit.

Speaker 1 I,

Speaker 1 like Hank, have a future on the Eagles. I'm not going to cash out.
I think the Eagles are the better team. I'm so, so afraid of Patrick Mahomes and the history that they're going for.

Speaker 1 I do think, though, the Eagles' defense is

Speaker 1 the best unit that he's going to face in

Speaker 1 probably, yeah, I mean, in the playoffs. And then,

Speaker 1 oh, man, those big boys on the Eagles' offensive line, they got to just do work, Max. They got to do works.

Speaker 1 I really do think this, I know it's very reductive to say, but like, Jalen Hurts has to play great.

Speaker 1 Yes. Because the Chiefs, if he makes any mistakes, the Chiefs will capitalize and they will win the game.
And we'll all be sitting here being like, how'd this happen again?

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurst has to play the game of his life.

Speaker 11 Disagree with that. I think he needs to make plays when plays need to be made, but he doesn't need to

Speaker 1 go for 300 yards. But what about making plays when plays don't need to be made? Because sometimes that's the best play.

Speaker 11 Like, I think that he's going to need to hit a big third and long to keep a drive going.

Speaker 11 Like, he's going to need to make clutch plays, but I don't think he needs to have this huge stat sheet game because the recipe to winning is to go up and then use Saquon to ice the game.

Speaker 6 Is a punt a bad thing for you guys?

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 1 We need to score. All right.

Speaker 1 Give me your top four things you're scared about on the Chiefs side.

Speaker 11 Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's it. Andy Reid.

Speaker 6 Not Andy Reid. Chris Jones.

Speaker 1 Chris Jones.

Speaker 6 Doesn't care about Chris Jones. Trent McDuffie?

Speaker 11 But, like, Patrick Mahomes is so much scarier than everyone.

Speaker 1 Carloftis.

Speaker 10 I would be scared of Chris Jones is scary.

Speaker 1 I'd be scared of Andy Reid.

Speaker 5 I'd be scared of Spaggs.

Speaker 1 I'd be scared of Chris Jones. McDuffie.

Speaker 11 McDuffie, but he's just one guy. We have, like, I understand, but we have so many other guys.

Speaker 6 I'd be scared of

Speaker 1 Harrison Bucker.

Speaker 11 Chris Jones is really good. Our interior offensive line is very good.

Speaker 6 Harrison Bucker is a very, very good kicker.

Speaker 1 Chris Bucker.

Speaker 11 I'm sorry about him. I'm not.

Speaker 11 You just, I don't. I'm not.
He's a good kicker. He can hit a long kick.

Speaker 2 He's a very good kicker.

Speaker 11 But if you go into a game and you're scared of the kicker, that, like, I know, I'm saying, like, in an end-of-game situation.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's more

Speaker 11 than getting to that situation.

Speaker 6 57-yard field goal, he can probably make that.

Speaker 11 But I'm more scared of Patrick Mahomes getting them into that situation.

Speaker 6 Okay, so he's like, he makes Patrick Mahomes more powerful.

Speaker 1 Correct. Yeah.
Sure, yeah. Did you guys hear what

Speaker 1 a longtime Eagles fan, diehard Eagles fan, co-worker, all business Pete said? No. He said, I can't believe the sound got fucked up again.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 1 No, he actually said that he feels in his balls Eagles by 20.

Speaker 6 But he doesn't have balls. He got

Speaker 6 cut off. I kind of do, too.

Speaker 1 You do?

Speaker 14 Just hearing the

Speaker 6 actual football guys that we've been around, they just keep talking about talent, talent, talent, talent.

Speaker 9 This is a very good Eagles team.

Speaker 6 And yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 11 TFT likes the Chiefs, though.

Speaker 6 I also think the Chiefs are

Speaker 6 the worst. Respect greatness.
Good team of all time. This team stinks.

Speaker 6 I want to respect greatness. I don't like this team.

Speaker 1 This team stinks.

Speaker 6 They got bailed out by the refs.

Speaker 14 No, I need you to take the Chiefs is what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 I need you to like the Chiefs. No, I'm saying I want to respect greatness.

Speaker 6 And what I saw, especially last week in the championship game,

Speaker 6 a team win by 30 points at the championship game, that's a great team.

Speaker 1 Great.

Speaker 6 And you have to respect greatness. I feel better about the Chiefs than I have all week.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put it up. Eagles, sorry.

Speaker 6 All the logos for part of my take.

Speaker 9 Birds.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 6 I'm birds.

Speaker 1 Memes, you birds? Birds, baby. No, memes.
I've been yelling across every word. Birds.
Change

Speaker 1 Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Change not Chiefs. She hates the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's Mahomes. He's a Chargers fan.
Ian Chiefs. Ian, are you Chiefs or Eagles?

Speaker 2 The Eagles should win, but who?

Speaker 1 Okay, so he's the Eagles should win.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, that sounds like birds all across.

Speaker 6 I think the Birds are going to win, but I'm going to bet on Mahomes. But for the record, I'm picking the Birds.

Speaker 4 Wait, no, no.

Speaker 11 What? You're betting on Mahomes.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you're betting on Mahomes.

Speaker 5 I'm betting on the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. So, no, so then you're picking the Chiefs.

Speaker 6 No, but no.

Speaker 4 Your pick is the Especially.

Speaker 6 I'm betting on the Chiefs if I'm picking the Eagles.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 What's so hard to understand? No, no, no. No, no, no.
It almost passes because of how cool that Kangle hat is, but no.

Speaker 6 Well, you don't get to tell me what to do.

Speaker 6 No, you can't.

Speaker 6 The fucking graphic that we're going to make is going to say bird, bird.

Speaker 1 No, it's going to be our picks. Who are we picking to win the game? Who we have money on.

Speaker 11 This is the picks and preview segment of the show.

Speaker 1 Your pick is what you put money on. Caesar.

Speaker 6 My pick is none of your business. I want the bird on the graphic.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm taking change. Cheese.

Speaker 6 Listen, you have to respect greatness. I respect greatness.

Speaker 1 Listen, we've had this conversation. I mean,

Speaker 1 if I didn't have this feature, I probably would just be like, fuck it. It's Mahomes again because last year was the easiest Super Bowl I've watched.

Speaker 5 Where it's like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Mahomes is going to win.

Speaker 1 Birds. I've talked it's birds.

Speaker 4 It's got to be birds.

Speaker 1 Birds are a better team. Birds.
They're going to win. And Max is going to finally have his moment in the sun.

Speaker 11 The trenches are healthy.

Speaker 6 The trenches.

Speaker 1 And on Sunday night.

Speaker 11 The trenches. All right.

Speaker 1 Favorite props. So, yes, say the props that you like, but then you got to pick one that we're going to put all together.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Tails is obviously my first pick of the game.

Speaker 1 And then the other one I feel very strongly about, this won't be in the parlay unless someone else picks it. Over 52.5 yards for Dallas Goddard.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So those are the two that I really like. I also did bet Saquon over longest rush 24.5.
I think it might be 25.5.

Speaker 1 I bet it literally right after the championship game, which I actually don't even like it that much anymore. But guess what? It's already been bet.

Speaker 9 So we're going to ride it.

Speaker 1 What do you guys like?

Speaker 6 I like Jalen Hurts over 38.5 yards rushing.

Speaker 6 I like Patrick Mahomes over 29.5 yards rushing. Okay.
And then I saw one earlier. I'm trying to track it down again.

Speaker 6 It was Saquon Barkley to have a certain amount of yards per quarter in every quarter. Oh.
I forget what that number was, but I remember seeing it and looking at it and thinking to myself, oh yeah.

Speaker 6 Oh yeah. And I like Flea Flicker plus 250.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I also like Travis Kelsey to score a touchdown.

Speaker 14 I think he's going to score a a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Hank?

Speaker 6 I like the Flea Flicker. That would be my pick for the parlay if you would allow it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 My pick was going to be over two and a half

Speaker 1 players to have a pass attempt. Do you not want me to put that in there? Do you want me to put Dallas Goddard in there instead?

Speaker 6 I don't mind. Whatever you want to do.

Speaker 4 Whatever you feel best for.

Speaker 1 That's my favorite bet every Super Bowl. Over two and a half players to attempt a pass.
But we can do Flea Flicker instead.

Speaker 5 Because those are kind of...

Speaker 6 Similar. Well, it's it's like Flea's better odds, though.
Yeah, yeah. Flea Flicker's not crazy odds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it's similar in the fact that it's like kind of two trick play-ish.

Speaker 1 Well, another trick player player plays. We're looking for two trick players.

Speaker 6 This wouldn't be for the parlay, but one I like because I feel like Andy Reid dials these up in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 We've talked about it a lot about how he's got these plays in the vault, only seeing the Super Bowl. Any offensive lineman to score a touchdown plus 1600.

Speaker 6 I like that a lot because when we talked to Lane Johnson, I don't know if you picked up on this, but we said, like, what if you caught a pass? He's like, me? No, not me.

Speaker 6 Like, they might be looking at somebody else that could get a touchdown. Yep.
I like over 11.5 longest punt return.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's fun. Whoa.
And I like

Speaker 6 in the DraftKings sports book somewhere.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 I did bet over, or sorry, a kick to be turned for a touchdown on a kickoff. That's 22 to 1, I would say, sprinkle at most on that.
That was more of a stay woke. They're going to try to to get one.

Speaker 6 And this is this is this goes to the talent, this goes to the birds, uh,

Speaker 6 and but the chiefs can help out too. Over three and a half total number of three and outs in the game, okay.

Speaker 1 I hate that bet.

Speaker 11 You just

Speaker 1 that's like sucks, but yeah, minus 105.

Speaker 11 That's so many three and outs. Four three and outs

Speaker 1 more than three. Okay,

Speaker 6 I found that bet at Saquon Barkley to have 10 plus rushing yards in each quarter minus 150.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
So, yeah, let's put it let's put this parlay together.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I'll go the Dallas Goddard over 52.5 yards. Okay.
Okay, so that'll be my pick in this. Do you want to put it together in your phone real quick?

Speaker 1 Also, this is not for the parlay, but I also like Xavier Worthy's yards over because I think he's just been getting a shitload of

Speaker 1 targets.

Speaker 10 All right, Hank, what's your pick?

Speaker 1 Flea flicker. Flea flicker.
And then PFT?

Speaker 6 I'll do Mahomes rushing yards. 29 and a half over.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I like that. I like that.
All right, you putting it together here, Max?

Speaker 11 I'm trying.

Speaker 11 It's hard to find him so quickly.

Speaker 4 I'll do it.

Speaker 1 Why don't you just worry about what your pick is going to be?

Speaker 11 My pick has been Devontae Smith 50 plus yards.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So Patrick Mahomes over 29.5, you said?

Speaker 5 Yep. PFT? Yep.

Speaker 1 All right. And Devontae Smith is over how many yards?

Speaker 11 I did 50 plus, but I'll take like whatever.

Speaker 1 52 and a half. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. So right now it's plus 500.

Speaker 1 And you might, Hank, we might not be able to use yours in a parlay.

Speaker 6 Jalen Carter, one sack.

Speaker 1 Okay. Love it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Is it over a half a sack? Yeah.

Speaker 6 One plus.

Speaker 1 Sacks. Jalen Carter.
Okay. Okay.
One plus. 12 to 1.
Okay. So here it is.
For the people. Go bet it in the.

Speaker 1 Now, this is too much. Oh, no, we have one Chiefs.
It's Dallas Goddard over 52.5 yards. Jalen Carter, one sack.
Devontae Smith over 52.5 receiving yards. Patrick Mahomes over 29.5 rushing yards.

Speaker 1 I love that. I love it.

Speaker 6 I feel really good about it.

Speaker 1 All right, Max, before we get to our interviews, which are incredible, we have Jason Kelsey and Chris Berman. Awesome, awesome interviews.

Speaker 1 Final score prediction of the week.

Speaker 11 26-21 Eagles.

Speaker 1 Whoa, you went down. What happened?

Speaker 11 It's going to be a closer game. No, it's going to be a Dolphins.

Speaker 1 You went 32-34.

Speaker 5 34, now down to 26.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 6 Why is that?

Speaker 1 The Eagles has gotten worse as the weeks ago.

Speaker 11 No, you just have to respect the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 2 You have to respect the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 26-21, so that's a one-score game. Does Patrick Mahomes have the ball?

Speaker 11 No, he backdoors it into the one-score game.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 26-14.

Speaker 11 And then

Speaker 11 they go for the on-side kick. It's a really good on-side kick, and you think that they're going to get it, but the Eagles get it.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 6 That's good. That would be amazing.
I feel like we've had a lot of good Super Bowls recently.

Speaker 6 I hope we get another one. I don't know if we will.

Speaker 6 We will see. I just think it might be a blowout.

Speaker 10 Which side?

Speaker 6 I just think it might be a blowout.

Speaker 1 Which side?

Speaker 6 I think the Chiefs. Or the Eagles? I think the Chiefs might stomp him.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. No.

Speaker 6 Too much talent. That's remember.

Speaker 1 Put him on a list.

Speaker 11 He's a guy who just just got stomped.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 1 huh?

Speaker 13 Put him on a list.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, he's on the list.

Speaker 6 No, not. You haven't given us a list update.

Speaker 6 I don't think you have the list anymore.

Speaker 11 No, people have been giving the Eagles more respect this week,

Speaker 11 which I don't like as much.

Speaker 6 I'm doing you a favor.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, you are.
You are. You are.
You are. Good friend.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We will be streaming the Super Bowl from the gambling cave. Max will be at the Super Bowl.
Don't worry. Max will be on no matter what, win or lose.
We have all the setup, so we'll have good audio.

Speaker 11 There'll also be plenty of clips from the game.

Speaker 1 Plenty of clips from the game that we'll tweet out.

Speaker 1 And your setup on Sunday night will be, it'll be an actual camera with good audio equipment, right? Yeah. All right, so it won't be like a Zoom.

Speaker 1 I mean, it will be Zoom, but it will be very, it'll be good.

Speaker 9 Riverside.

Speaker 11 Riverside,

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is Super Bowl champion six-time all-pro.

Speaker 6 You're not leading off the podcasters? I think it's seven.

Speaker 1 Seven-time all-pro? I know it's seven Pro Bowls. Six-time all-pro.
Six-time all-pro.

Speaker 9 Somebody should just let you talk.

Speaker 1 Seven, seven Pro Bowls. Future Hall of Famer.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Jason Kelsey. So you just have accepted, like, hey, I can't wait for my five years and they're going to knock on my door.

Speaker 9 I don't know about the Hall of Fame. Yeah.

Speaker 9 You're a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 9 I don't, yeah, I don't know. We'll find out.
I think it feels weird to think of yourself in that way.

Speaker 9 I don't know what.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I don't know. All right, you know what?

Speaker 1 Why don't we do this?

Speaker 1 As first first reported by Pardon My Take, Jason Kelsey's in the Pro Football Hall fan.

Speaker 6 Congratulations. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 9 Congratulations.

Speaker 1 So when that day happens, you have to thank us first.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 1 Because we were the first to have it. You know what?

Speaker 9 I mean, it seems only fair.

Speaker 6 When they do your bust, are you going to want the big hair?

Speaker 9 I don't. Do you get to choose the actual...
I think you do.

Speaker 5 That would feel right.

Speaker 6 Sit down and then somebody comes in and like paints your face or does whatever. I don't know how they do it with a sculpting, but I think you get to choose the era of look that you have.

Speaker 6 So you could be like, yeah, give me the the long hair.

Speaker 1 The long hair would be good.

Speaker 9 I'm going to take my Max era.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the long hair.

Speaker 9 The long hair.

Speaker 1 This is Max is very.

Speaker 9 This hypothetical world.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 1 So Super Bowl week. Is this one a little weird for you? Because, well, obviously because your brother's on the Chiefs and the Eagles are your family.

Speaker 1 But is it weird that you're like, man, I kind of wish I was getting out there with the boys?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, you always wish you could get out there with the boys. I don't know that'll ever go away.
Yeah. But certainly during a Super Bowl, it gets magnified.

Speaker 9 And obviously just one year away, I'm still really close with all these guys.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 So, yeah, I would love to go out there and play.

Speaker 1 How many snaps could you give him right now?

Speaker 9 How many snaps could you give him?

Speaker 1 You're looking good. It looks like you've lost some.

Speaker 9 Chris Jones might

Speaker 9 DDT me into the ether.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But you could give him a snap.

Speaker 1 Then I'd be out immediately. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But no, it's, I don't know how many I could go. I think

Speaker 9 going before the season, it's hard to envision doing anything. Yeah.
And then once you get to this point, it's like, adrenaline could get me through something.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I think every former player thinks that to a degree. Yeah.
But then I'd be curious to see what actually would happen if I went out of the field.

Speaker 1 It's interesting because I was reading an article last night from your former teammates, and I feel like, tell me if I'm wrong, but you played for so long, but for like the last three or four years, it felt like every year you were like, this might be it.

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 1 So you were kind of contemplating retirement for essentially the back third of your career yeah i mean i made a whole documentary that lasted three years thinking about retiring

Speaker 9 i think it's playing football is really hard playing offensive lines really hard and the physical toll takes on you i think you

Speaker 9 it's it's it's something that you really have to like disconnect from the season and be like, okay, do I want to do this for another year? At least once you get older. That's the way I did it.

Speaker 9 Lane's fully on board with playing another year. I already saw the press conference fired up about that.

Speaker 1 We were with him yesterday. Yeah.
He promised that he was playing another year.

Speaker 9 And he should.

Speaker 9 He's still playing at a really high level. He's still dominating.
And then I think at some point you realize that your body is like barely hanging on.

Speaker 9 And you're like, okay, how much longer do I want to do this?

Speaker 9 And I did that for about three years longer.

Speaker 1 It's a testament to you because it feels like when you look at your career, you got better as the years went on and some of your best football was in your 30s.

Speaker 1 Was that just figuring out the game? Was it figuring out your body? Like what made it so that you got that much better as you kept on going?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think a lot of it, you know, the center position, you can get by more with tricks of the trade and like kind of just understanding things and accelerating that a little bit.

Speaker 9 I think some positions like tackle, you got to be like man Mountain Dean out there to go block Miles Garrett. I was not blocking Miles Garrett often.

Speaker 9 So I think when you're in the middle of it, you can use like calls and different things that, you know, put the line or you in a better situation and you understand technique more.

Speaker 9 So that helps you play at a higher level, even though physically you're nowhere near the player you are. And that's where it's like

Speaker 9 for the last three years, I could feel myself physically deteriorating, but like on the play, I'm still playing at a high level. So it's this weird thing.

Speaker 9 It's like, I don't know when this physical deterioration is going to catch up, but it feels like it's catching up now.

Speaker 9 And that's kind of what leads to those years of, you know, what am I going to do next year? Yeah.

Speaker 6 So from the center position, what kind of level of detail do you do you have to put in going up against Spaggs?

Speaker 9 Especially in a big game like this, because I always loved going up against Spaggs.

Speaker 9 I mean, another guy who's actually in college now, Wig Martindale, used to be able to give blitzes from any direction. And Spaggs is going to put a safety down week.
He's going to rotate it.

Speaker 9 all the way to make it look like there's no chance the nickels come there's no chance the corner's coming and then all of a sudden it's going to rotate the other way and they're going to come or you're going to think you got them and you do have them and then they know you got them and they're going to flip the blitz and then they're bringing it the other way.

Speaker 9 So there's like this cat and mouse game that's going on with Spags.

Speaker 9 It'll be zone pressures, overloads to a side. It'll be, you know, single dog pressures that are like run stoppers, be zero blitzes, especially in got to have it scenarios.

Speaker 9 I mean, that blitz that he pulled out against. Yeah, the Bills.
The Bills, everybody's talking about it.

Speaker 9 I mean, I still have nightmares from that when he was with the Giants, and they did it with the coroner because it was a condensed split.

Speaker 9 But he used to do the same thing with Landon Collins, put him down on the line. They'd have these stand-up guys over here to the right, and you'd have to guess.

Speaker 9 Like, it's like, okay, either the safety

Speaker 9 is coming from the weak side here, or he's going to overload you over here.

Speaker 9 And if the center is going the wrong way, you're going to be hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And that's where

Speaker 9 the quarterback has to be firmly ready to throw the ball if you are wrong. Right.
And that's hard when you're in a situation like a third and long

Speaker 9 because typically the hot answer is not going to pick up a first down. Yeah.
He knows that. So it's, I love that cat and mouse game going against Spags, and you're trying to get any little tell.

Speaker 9 It's like, all right, if the safety's like inside the end, he bails. If the safety,

Speaker 9 if the nickel's pressed, he's coming. And then over years, they realize they have tells.
And it's just a fun part of it for sure.

Speaker 1 Was when you have a situation like that and you guessed wrong, do you know instantly you're like, oh, you know right away. You're like, fuck,

Speaker 9 you know, right away. Sometimes, even if you guess wrong, like, you'll like pop out.
You're like, fuck, I'm just going to try and bail and get something on this guy right here.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get someone. Because he is screwed right now.

Speaker 9 So typically, you know right away.

Speaker 9 So once these guys drop and this line starts slanting this way, you know they're bringing it to the field.

Speaker 6 Yeah. What's the 10 seconds like as you get up to the ball and you're like scanning the field and you have to figure out protection, all that stuff? Like, how do you process that?

Speaker 6 Where do your eyes go first? What do you think about it?

Speaker 9 So the first thing you're trying to pick up, and this is before you've broken the huddle, is what's the down and distance?

Speaker 9 And based on that and kind of your pre-work, you're already in a mode of like, these are the pressures they kind of like, right?

Speaker 9 First and 10, second and 10, run situations are going to be in this world.

Speaker 9 Third and long, then you're getting ready for the exotics.

Speaker 9 And then with a guy like Spaggs, certain parts of the field, he'll just whip a blood zero out. And it might not even be a tell.

Speaker 9 He's going to give you one or two a game where you're not ready for it at all. And you're just going to have, he's going to see how you're going to respond.
Right.

Speaker 9 But you're breaking the huddle. Think about the down and distance, engaging the personnel that they have on the field.
They have three down linemen, four down linemen. Are they in nickel?

Speaker 9 Are they in dime?

Speaker 9 And sometimes that stuff will give you little breaks into like the pressures that they're like out of those situations. And then once you get up there, you're IDing where people are.

Speaker 9 Is it a shell with two safeties back? Is it a single high with the safety down on the line of scrimmage? Is the nickel to the field way off the ball?

Speaker 9 Hopefully you get a double count, but then they kind of know you're double counting, and you can get a tell.

Speaker 9 Somebody will start trying to go back early or something like that, and then you can get a tell like that, but that's kind of the process. And then my whole job is to try and set the protection,

Speaker 9 the center going in the direction of where the most guys could potentially come. Yeah.
Because the running back can scan.

Speaker 9 So the only way a six-man pro, and this is what you're generally in for the majority of

Speaker 9 third and long situations, the only way a six-man pro is going to get beat is if they bring two to the side of the backs or two away from where the center is going. Yeah, yeah, and a four-down front.

Speaker 9 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I know that

Speaker 1 shit. I like this.

Speaker 6 We don't know about this as fans sometimes. Sure.
And I don't know. Maybe it sounds like you really put yourself into

Speaker 6 dedicating your

Speaker 6 prep to this type of

Speaker 6 understanding. And you know, your routine that you have to get in.
Do you think there's some centers in the NFL that just go up there and they're like, oh, fuck, I have no idea.

Speaker 6 I'm just going to try to kill the guy that's closest to me.

Speaker 1 I think probably

Speaker 9 not anybody who has no idea. Hopefully nobody that has no idea what's happening and just going to kill somebody.

Speaker 9 I think the position requires a little bit more than that mentally to be good because part of it's not even just one of the things I loved about centers, it's not just your job.

Speaker 9 You're responsible for helping other guys play better. By just making a call, you can make the quarterback better situated.
You can make the right guard in a better position to block whoever, right?

Speaker 9 Yeah. And you need to embrace that to be a good center, in my opinion.
But I think there's differing degrees of control that centers have.

Speaker 9 I had a lot in Philadelphia, and that got built up over a decade plus of playing there. When I first got there, Michael Vick controlled the vast majority of it.

Speaker 9 And I was like, hey, I'm going to start this with like what the rule in the playbook is. We're going to go to the mic, and Vick's going to do everything off of that.

Speaker 9 And then my next year, they give you a little bit more. Like, all right, because it's hard for the quarterback to know all of those different fronts and everything.

Speaker 9 They can read coverages and all that other stuff. So the best situation is when the quarterback and center are on the same page.
They've talked all week, and they know

Speaker 9 what each person's looking for.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I think that

Speaker 9 the older you get as a center, the more leeway you get in. helping the quarterback out because that's at the end of the day our whole job.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And I mean,

Speaker 1 a part of your career that was so incredible is the amount of games that you played, not missing a lot of time. I think it was, what, 150 starts in a row, something like that.

Speaker 9 It feels like you know my career actually better than I do.

Speaker 1 But my question to you is that, you know, we talk about offensive line play all the time and a team gets ravaged by injury and they're shifting guys.

Speaker 1 And even like the Chiefs right now, Joe Thooney's going from guard to Joe 2, man.

Speaker 9 That's incredible. That's fucking insane.

Speaker 1 So how long, like at what point do you, when you're working with people,

Speaker 1 do you feel like, all right, I know what they're going to do. We can all,

Speaker 1 the sum of the parts becomes even better because we all know each other so well and we can team block here versus when someone gets thrown in and you're like, all right, fuck, we're kind of, this is going to hurt us here.

Speaker 9 I think

Speaker 9 it depends on how many new guys there are.

Speaker 9 There's a level of communication that's verbal,

Speaker 9 but there's also a level of communication that you kind of just understand. And that's kind of like where Pat and Travis are on that page, right?

Speaker 9 Where like, at this point, don't even need to tell each other. Like, this guy's outside leverage on this play.
I know Travis is going to do this, even though nobody,

Speaker 9 and I haven't even talked about this, but just know it's going to happen. Right.
And offensive lines, the same way.

Speaker 9 You know, it's like, okay, when this look happens, I know my right guard's going to do this. Isaac Sigma is going to do that.

Speaker 9 And then, when Isaac's not in, and there's a new guy, you have to over-communicate what's about to happen. That makes sense.
And that's hard to anticipate when there's a new guy in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 But generally, like, if there's two new guys on a side, that's when I get a little bit concerned. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Like, you plug a guy in just at one person a side, generally that communication gets ironed out out because there's like continuity between the center and that side. Yeah.

Speaker 9 When there's two new guys in a row, it's like, okay, now we got some room for some communication to break down.

Speaker 1 And that's all it takes is a little communication in your front.

Speaker 9 Makes a big deal. I mean, half of, you know,

Speaker 9 the run game, passing game, half of it is just like everybody being on the same page.

Speaker 9 If you're not on the same page in the run game, you're pretty much fucked. If you're not on the same page in the past game, you're fucked.
So like, that's the most important thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 If to offensive line play, you're really offensive football.

Speaker 1 How bad was the turf in the 2022 Super Bowl? It's pretty bad. Yeah.
But we did an investigation.

Speaker 10 You guys got to go.

Speaker 1 You did the Sod Father. The Sod Father.
He was at work. Tynical's run.
You should just bring that up to Travis. Go figure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got one over you. You just like the Sod father got one over you.
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 9 I didn't lose the Travis Scotian the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 You lost the Sod Father. I think he got a ring.
Yeah. It's okay to say, yeah, Max is just viciously shaking his head right now.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 9 yeah, I think our D-line

Speaker 9 was hindered quite a bit. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But so was Chris Jones, so I wasn't complaining.

Speaker 1 Well, no, they knew the Sodfather worked for the Chiefs, so they knew they were wearing the right spikes.

Speaker 9 They slipped a bunch as well. On the defense, here's the thing.
A bad field is to the advantage of an offensive line

Speaker 9 because the defensive line are the ones

Speaker 9 really trying to get a good getoff on the ball. So multiple times, like their D-line's slipping too.
Now, I happen to think

Speaker 9 Sonic Sonic Raddick's like major move was taken away because of the way that grass was. He's a heavy, bend the edge type rusher, and that kind of got neutralized.

Speaker 9 Hargrave, really good get-off, quick twitch guy. It's going to hurt guys like that.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.

Speaker 9 So I played Chris Jones in that. I also played Indomicon Sue and Nick Fairley in the snow in Philadelphia.

Speaker 9 Love that. Yeah.
I played Indomicon Sue like four years later when he was with Miami or something like that. Maybe it was actually just two years after that, two or three years.

Speaker 9 And it was significantly different in Dominican Sue. Yeah.
Good field for sure.

Speaker 1 Who's the toughest? Who's the guy who gave you the most problems? So you're like, you know, I know I'm all pro. I know I'm a really good center, but something about him.

Speaker 9 There's a lot of guys. Yeah, I mean, I think the best player I ever played against was Aaron Donald, for sure.

Speaker 9 Luckily, he chose to, you know, be a nightmare for the guard more than he was for the center, so I didn't have to deal with it too much. But he was a freak.

Speaker 9 For me specifically, Dexter Lawrence in the second half of my career was a nightmare in New York. He still is.

Speaker 9 I see him now. I can't believe I used to have to try and block that guy.
He's fucking enormous. He is, and he's not even big.

Speaker 9 When I first came to the league, like Vince Wolfwork was like the big guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Lodinata.

Speaker 1 Lodinata.

Speaker 9 But like, Dexter's, like, he almost looks like a basketball player, just like ballooned up. Like, he's like an athlete-athlete.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's crazy, but but he's he was great uh still is um

Speaker 9 snacks harrison who probably if you're not a giants fan you might not even know but yeah he was really good i was always

Speaker 9 for some reason

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 9 not the best guy sometimes gave me issues like puna ford i don't know if you yeah Backup nose guard sometimes gave me like the most fits out of

Speaker 6 the case right now. He's like, what the fuck, man?

Speaker 9 I know, but Puna, well, he started in Seattle, played really good this year.

Speaker 9 Kind of had like a down down year in Buffalo the year before, but he had longer arms than me, and he's shorter than me.

Speaker 9 So, like, for me, it's like, all right, at least when I play a bigger guy, I can get up under him or I can win the leverage battle.

Speaker 9 And then, if I play a shorter guy, it's like okay, at least I have longer arms. So, like, when you play somebody shorter with longer arms, like, I've negated every technical advantage I have.

Speaker 9 I have no mass advantage.

Speaker 1 So, it's like, that's a great answer. Puna Ford.
Yeah, Puna Ford was an issue stopper. He was.
I hated Biden Puna. I love that.

Speaker 6 So, with the last Super Bowl, I'm more interested in how you went about scheduling the next podcast after that. Like, who sent the first text? And it's like, hey, it's probably intern Brandon.

Speaker 6 We should probably record.

Speaker 1 And a very softly worded directory.

Speaker 9 Not sure if you guys are aware, but we have the podcast recording coming up.

Speaker 9 I mean, I was ready to do it. It sucked.
It was the worst podcast for me.

Speaker 9 So, yeah, losing a Super Bowl that you're playing in is by far the worst feeling imaginable because you take so much to get there. One of these teams is going to be fucking heartbroken.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's why we're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 9 That's where I'm like in a weird situation again where there's a lot of people I care about on both sides, and you know that somebody is just going to be like absolutely fucking devastated.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 And it's like.

Speaker 9 On some level, like you almost wish you lose the championship round or some other round.

Speaker 7 It was great.

Speaker 6 It was great for me this year.

Speaker 1 I love it. Thank you.

Speaker 9 And the commanders, they're playing with house money this year. There isn't like zero expectations of that happening.

Speaker 6 Okay, so so I get the house money argument, but at the same time, there's a lot of guys that get to the NFC championship or AFC championship that don't get back.

Speaker 6 So it's like when you're there, you want to win. But I am glad that we got our ass kicked.
That's way better than losing.

Speaker 9 Like, yeah, you lose on a call.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the bills, yeah, every time.

Speaker 9 It's funny to say, because the year we won the Super Bowl, Brent Selig actually started that year out saying he went to the NFC Championship, I think, his second year in the league.

Speaker 9 It was either first or second year. And he just thought he'd go back

Speaker 9 every year. And then it took him all the way to like year 13 or whatever it was, 11 to get back to the Super Bowl.
So, yeah, don't take it for granted when it's there.

Speaker 9 It's hard to get those teams together. It really is, unless you have like a perennial quarterback, which I hope.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Yeah, he looked pretty good this year.

Speaker 1 I don't want to jinx it.

Speaker 5 He's pretty fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 After a bad loss, what's the timeframe for like friends and family to text you? Because

Speaker 1 we've been lucky enough to do this a long time that we know a bunch of these guys. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I always am like, I usually give it a week because, like, I don't, I don't know how, like, if you text someone like a day later, like, hey, man, that sucked.

Speaker 9 Day later is good.

Speaker 1 You think so?

Speaker 9 I feel like because everybody's texting them the day of.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The day of is real.

Speaker 9 The day of, it's like, first of all, there's a lot of text happening. Yeah.
You're still like pissed off and don't want to respond to anybody. Right.
Next day is a good text. Okay.

Speaker 9 Emotions have kind of come down. Sorry.
Like, what's the stages of grief? You're like in that. Denial.

Speaker 1 Denial.

Speaker 9 Denial is happening the first day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Second, what's the second stage?

Speaker 6 Maybe acceptance. Yeah.
I think you've started.

Speaker 1 That's probably the end, right? Acceptance is the end.

Speaker 1 Anger.

Speaker 1 Anger's in there. Anger is definitely in the first day as well.
Bargaining. Yeah.
Bargaining. Bargaining happens bad.
Yeah. Sod father.

Speaker 9 Because you start thinking about like all the bargaining in like the stages of grief of the Super Bowl loss is like, man, if I just would have done this or if I would have done that, and that's what's happening really, especially the second day.

Speaker 9 Because you're like, God damn, I could have won the Super Bowl if I just would have done this. Right.
Like, if I just would have done that,

Speaker 9 we would be Super Bowl champions. And everybody was like, Mark Andrews is doing that with the loss this year in the playoffs, right? Yeah.

Speaker 9 And he does it, negates everything else he's done for the entire season. Right.
His entire existence as a Raven.

Speaker 9 He's like thinking about that.

Speaker 1 And every other mistake that everyone else made in that game.

Speaker 9 Everybody's thinking about it.

Speaker 1 It's like, just don't make the last mistake. Yeah.

Speaker 9 That's a big one. Yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 1 That's the way everybody remembers.

Speaker 9 Yeah, like, everybody remembers Bradford with the holding call on Juju Smith in our last Super Bowl.

Speaker 9 They don't remember me fucking up a blitz, you know, on third and five or whatever, right?

Speaker 9 Sounds like you remember that. Oh, I remember it.
It haunts me very much.

Speaker 1 We're doing some bargaining right now.

Speaker 9 Fucking spags. So I've been bargaining for that for a long time.
But I think

Speaker 9 so that next day text

Speaker 9 is good to distract that person's mind from thinking about all that. Yeah, because I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's just, it's got to be. And then the element of Travis, has he rubbed it in your face at all?

Speaker 9 He's been a good brother. He has not rubbed it in my face.

Speaker 1 Why would you have rubbed it in his face?

Speaker 9 I don't think I would, no.

Speaker 1 Come on, I mean, you're the older brother. You can kind of.
I think, well, let me put it.

Speaker 9 Now being on this side of it, I definitely would not do it. Right.
Had I never experienced what it feels like to lose a Super Bowl, I still don't think I would have done it.

Speaker 9 It's a freaking downer. It's a big one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 But if you had played another year and then you somehow beat the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, then you would rub that in his face because for sure he got one on you.

Speaker 9 Yeah, if we were one-on-one, I would say.

Speaker 1 Then it's like all fair play.

Speaker 6 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's really hard to rub something in Travis's face when he's better in like every facet of the career you chose to go into.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, you put it that way. Okay, okay.
You're a much better dresser than he is. Yeah.
That's right. You can drink more beer than him, I assume.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 9 He can down some beers. Really?

Speaker 7 Yeah. He's very good.

Speaker 1 You got to have something.

Speaker 9 I think I always can hang my hat that I'm the older brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Your mom's got to love you the most.

Speaker 9 Mom definitely loves Travis more.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. You got nothing.

Speaker 1 God damn it.

Speaker 6 This came across my timeline the other day. This is Travis back in like 2015, maybe 2016.
Do you remember this? When he went through like his kind of meth era?

Speaker 1 What is that? I don't know. He's going to like a shop class.
Look at that.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Eye protective.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got that Bunsen burner on. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, Trav has always had.

Speaker 9 Some pretty amazing style. Yeah.

Speaker 6 But yeah, so you were just saying earlier how, you know, getting away from the NFL, you weren't sure if your body could do it. It's a lot of pain, a lot of

Speaker 6 stuff that, you know, aches every single day. Is it harder being a podcaster, though?

Speaker 1 Yeah, my back hurts way more podcasting.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I'm seated more.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, I feel awful every day. Yeah.

Speaker 9 If I don't work out, I feel worse than when I did playing football.

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't work out. I always feel bad, yeah.

Speaker 1 They're going to do a study on podcasters. I think it's going to be like, they're going to have to make a movie about it.

Speaker 9 It's going to be an epidemic.

Speaker 1 These guys, yeah, they really put their lives on the line. yeah watching football 12 hours every Sunday like

Speaker 9 brain scary lifestyle yeah this is yeah if CTE is from repetitive hits to the head yeah what's the podcaster's brain function where they just never got their heart rate up enough to get the blood up to the head yeah exactly yeah yeah I'm missing out I'm never operating it 100% really strangling yourself yeah wait so so Travis doesn't give you shit about the Super Bowl Does your wife give you shit about her podcast being more successful than you?

Speaker 1 All the time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That sucks. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Hey, it's all going to the same account.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. That's true.
It's team win. That's right.
Yeah, really.

Speaker 9 It's success across the board.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It seems like you guys enjoy it.

Speaker 4 You guys are crushing it. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 9 it's been,

Speaker 9 yeah. I think the podcast on both sides has been amazingly successful, and we have a lot of people that help us out with it, and that's been fun.

Speaker 9 I think that like,

Speaker 9 we didn't really know, we're still working out like the scheduling of everything.

Speaker 9 Like, I think that that's the reality of one of the things I do miss about football is like everything is like, it's almost like in the military, where every hour of your day is scheduled to the T.

Speaker 9 And when you're in the podcasting world, at least for me, you guys may be way more dialed than I am.

Speaker 9 But I feel like you're more

Speaker 9 between that and ESPN and all this stuff, you're kind of all over the place. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And it's like, oh, I'll hop on a Zoom here.

Speaker 9 I'll go do this. We can get this guest at this time.
So, yeah, I'll be there for that.

Speaker 9 And I think that when we're both in that kind of realm, we've kind of had to figure out how do we like bring organize to this chaos a little bit.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 So that's been a new experience.

Speaker 1 But is there a part of you that's like, you're busier than you were when you were playing football?

Speaker 9 I'm doing everything. I'm like less busy, but I'm more inefficient with my time.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Like I said, I feel podcasts are like life. Yeah, like

Speaker 1 football, like every

Speaker 9 second of your day is busy or that you're working for, and you're amazingly successful at utilizing your time. And now I'm just like the biggest time suck.

Speaker 9 I I lose so many hours because I'm like, oh, if I just like,

Speaker 9 you know, I got this in an hour, so I'll do nothing for an hour.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's really what we've been doing for the last hour and a half. There we go.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 So that's a lot of my day. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's crazy to see your career. I mean, we were reminiscing.
I don't know if you remember this, you probably don't, but in I think it was 2017, we went to Chris Long.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we went to the Eagles

Speaker 1 Bears game, and then we went to Bo Allen's house afterwards. You, Bo, Chris Long, and Brent Sellek.
And it's like, you know, people don't know offensive linemen that well.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, now to think about how popular and like incredible your post-career has gone is insane.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I mean, back then, did not expect this one bit.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 I don't think you said anything.

Speaker 1 You were just sitting on the couch.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I was just hanging out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think one point I made a drink of beer. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what were we even talking about?

Speaker 7 We were just hanging out. Just hanging out.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Shooting the shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I think

Speaker 9 at some point, you know, seeing seeing other guys have successful podcasts, Travis and I just decided to try and do it.

Speaker 9 And then we fucking got lucky enough to play each other in a Super Bowl the first year. I know it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 And yeah, his dating life is good for the council too.

Speaker 1 We've been trying to get Hank to date with Beyonce. We are probably

Speaker 6 boost these numbers up a little bit.

Speaker 9 Listen, we have a very good demographic diversity in our podcast.

Speaker 1 I would say so. I would say so.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I sometimes like click on my Instagram follows and like it's like 99.9% dudes. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Cool.

Speaker 6 I mean, you've, you've done very well in the podcast game. I think you understand how to poke the hornet's nest sometimes, but you apologize too much.

Speaker 9 That's the one thing you've told me. The secretariat thing.

Speaker 6 You had a great take with the secretariat thing.

Speaker 1 Like, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 I DM'd you right after. I was like, hey, me pulling Mike Quest

Speaker 1 offline. We don't fucking apologize.

Speaker 6 We have to stick together. Like, you have a good take.
That fucking horse was doing steroids. We've heard from horse racing Randy Moss.
He's like the biggest proponent of the sport.

Speaker 6 He's like, yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 he probably was.

Speaker 6 It doesn't detract from his legacy. No.
But we can speak honestly about we should dig up his fucking corpse and give him a blood test and see what's what.

Speaker 1 Don't apologize. And then you apologize to a dead horse.

Speaker 1 The dude at Penn State, we don't have to rehash that. Shouldn't have apologized for that.
That guy was a dickhead.

Speaker 9 That was a soft apology.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that guy was a dick deck.

Speaker 1 You just got to stand. People love you and people have your back anyway.
If you say Secretary, it did a little steroids, who cares?

Speaker 6 It was funny because you were like heartfelt in your contrition. You were like, I know that there's a lot of fans of horse racing out there.

Speaker 6 I did not mean to denigrate sport and the passion that you so clearly have for a legend.

Speaker 1 No, no, fuck. The horse was juicy.
Yeah, I hit you up right away. I was like, dude, don't apologize.

Speaker 1 Do not apologize. I was like, we have your back.
Have you ever seen Secretary's balls?

Speaker 5 Have you ever seen his balls?

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 6 That's right, because they're so fucking small.

Speaker 1 You ever see him fucking swing a bat? Guy could hit it 550 feet fucking

Speaker 1 slinging the bats.

Speaker 6 Just promise us that you won't apologize to any more horses.

Speaker 1 All right. I'll take one thing of that.
And yeah, we could be.

Speaker 9 The apologizing thing is difficult, too, because...

Speaker 9 It just gets like clipped up and it doesn't accomplish anything.

Speaker 1 You cannot

Speaker 1 appease anybody.

Speaker 9 It's like, guys, I was just trying to be funny about a horse taking steroids.

Speaker 1 I wasn't being that serious about it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 9 little do I know, Secretariat's like grandparents are

Speaker 1 tweeting out messages. I'm like, God damn it.
Yeah, that's not what I do.

Speaker 1 But that's all, like, you'll just appease the five people that are actually mad at you, and then they'll just be mad about the next thing.

Speaker 9 No doubt. So no apology.
Just own it.

Speaker 1 We could be apology police for you. If you have a thought of apologizing, let it run it by us.
I'm going to run it by you guys. They would be like, fuck no.
No, do not. No apology.

Speaker 5 That kid at Penn State was a dick.

Speaker 1 He was.

Speaker 5 Back you up on that one.

Speaker 6 He was. It was also a great product placement.
I thought it might have been a viral.

Speaker 1 We were so stupid in our podcast. We were planned.
Yeah, we're like, oh, this is going to be a Super Bowl commercial.

Speaker 9 I mean, it was a very perfect slap on the ground.

Speaker 1 You put that phone into the Earth's core. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 9 Terms apply.

Speaker 6 What do you say to the haters out there that are saying, oh,

Speaker 6 Kelsey retires and then Saquon Barkley sets every record ever? Are the Eagles better without Kelsey?

Speaker 9 Well, I think they're definitely better with Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 5 That's a good answer.

Speaker 9 And I think Cam Juergens has been phenomenal this year. Mackay Bechton has come in and been a big part of that offensive line as well.

Speaker 9 And for me, as an undersized guy, I always played really well with big guards next to me. And I think Mackay and Cam have played really well.
There's no question about it.

Speaker 9 And they're a better unit physically than we were last year. There's no question about it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think that was just me that said that. I don't think there's actually any hope.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 9 I think that they are, I mean, Saquon Barkley almost broke the Russian title. He would have broken the Russian title if he would have played.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 they're pretty fucking good. Yeah, I mean, absolutely.

Speaker 9 You still have Jeff Stoutland. Yeah.
Lane Johnson. I mean, Lane Johnson's been the linchpin of the line for a long time.
Yeah. It was Jason Peters, then it really went to Lane Johnson.

Speaker 9 Jordan Malada this year has been potentially, I mean, I think he might have been the best tackle in the NFL this year.

Speaker 9 And I say that, like, Lane is still the best pass-blocking tackle, but Malada does a lot of things in the run game as well. Both of those guys bookending that line have been unbelievable.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, that's just a little podcaster trick. Anytime somebody good retires, you just hop.
You try to be the first person. I'm a part of it.
Are they better without this awesome guy?

Speaker 9 That's how the takes work. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to fire them off.

Speaker 1 One thing I love about your career is you were an underdog and like, you know, going to Cincinnati, changing positions, being a late round draft pick, was there ever a point where you were like, this might not be my future?

Speaker 1 Because I always love those stories where people are like, yeah, I actually had a sliding door moment where it's like, if this didn't happen, I probably can't keep going and have the career I have.

Speaker 9 Yeah, there's a lot of points.

Speaker 9 The big one coming out of high school was being a walk-on.

Speaker 9 I'm like a walk-on linebacker. And I had a grandfather who's actually like, look, he a piece of shit.
Like, I love the guy, but he was a bad grandpa, like a bad person.

Speaker 1 He was a good grandpa, bad person.

Speaker 1 Better grandpa than person. Yes, which, hey, good job being a good grandpa.

Speaker 9 And he gave me a quote about persistence from like Calvin Coolidge at the time. And it just like really just hit me smack dad right in the face when he gave it to me.

Speaker 6 That's a good quote.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's like the world is filled with geniuses that don't work hard enough.

Speaker 1 Essentially.

Speaker 6 And say that they could have been something. Yeah, it's wasted talent.

Speaker 9 Nothing will take the place of persistence. Talent will not.
The world is full of unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not.
Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not.

Speaker 9 The world is full of educated derelicts yeah uh persistence and determination alone are omnipotent right so it's basically like don't give up you pussy yeah

Speaker 9 right and uh it was just a great quote and um

Speaker 9 i would i had like a lot of like division two offers and like

Speaker 9 a lot of division three like places i could go i was like you know what i'm gonna go try and walk on a division one program and see if i can't hang with these guys

Speaker 9 and uh ended up going to Cincinnati.

Speaker 9 Then it really just got a lot of fortune, to be honest with you. Like, Paul Longo,

Speaker 9 sorry, beers getting me. Paul Longo was the strength coach that came with Brian Kelly, and he's got a movement offensive line.

Speaker 9 If he would have never came to Cincinnati, I don't know that I've ever been moved offensive line.

Speaker 1 You're right.

Speaker 9 Because I had never played the position. I didn't know how to fucking do it.
And he was like, hey, I've done this. He did it with Joe Staley at Central Michigan.

Speaker 9 And then he did it with me

Speaker 9 in Cincinnati before I came to Philly.

Speaker 9 And it

Speaker 9 kind of sparked everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Got Got a starting job in college, then you're undersized. I got lucky that Howard Mudd came to Philadelphia, who worked with Jeff Saraday at Indianapolis, liked undersized offensive linemen.

Speaker 9 So he drafted me and Howie Roseman. And then I got fortunate to work with Jeff Stollin, who's been the best offensive line coach in the past decade in the NFL.

Speaker 9 So it's like, it's kind of fucking crazy how really just

Speaker 9 that one little stupid quote led to me walking into like the most fortuitous situations

Speaker 9 over and over again, even though everybody else thought I was terrible or didn't think I'd make it.

Speaker 9 I kept getting these situations where this like one, the right person kind of believed in me.

Speaker 1 I love those stories, though, because it's, you know, I think there's the one thing I hate when people get very successful and they're like, oh yeah, I'm just more talented than everyone.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, there has to be

Speaker 1 breaks. There has to be people that believe in you along the way to get to where you're at.
And it's really cool to hear like all those people along the way. For sure.

Speaker 9 And nobody's so talented that they did it on their own. I mean, I guess maybe Miles Garrett, but maybe Miles.

Speaker 1 It could have been.

Speaker 9 I think Arnold in his new book is like, you know, I'm not a self-made man. I'm the opposite of a self-made man.
There's a bunch of people that help make me to be like, you know, this successful.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 And I think for sure most football players are like that.

Speaker 9 Most coaches feel that way because you realize, especially in football, like there's so many different things that you're relying on to do your job.

Speaker 1 When are you going to start coaching? When are you going to be the assistant offensive line coach of a stout one?

Speaker 1 Is that in the future at all? because i mean that would part of me would love to do that yeah

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 9 that would be a significant pay decrease okay from podcasting podcasting pays well

Speaker 9 so i'm navigating that um there's also just a time commitment of those guys yeah it's like you know i got three young kids a fourth on the way and i don't know that i'm ready for that yet yeah but I know that I would absolutely love it.

Speaker 9 I love like the X's and O's part of it. I love being with the guys.
That's the thing I miss most about like, Do I want to play in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to play in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 9 I want to be with the guys.

Speaker 1 That's what I want.

Speaker 9 You know what I mean? And when you're not on the field with them, that's what you miss. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 6 You get to say we still about the Eagles, but for sure. What about us? Like, if I talk about the Commanders, Big Cat talks about the Bears.
Yeah. We say we.

Speaker 1 We feel like we're on the pocket. That's what.
Is that cool? I'm fine with that. All right, good.
Well, I say, as long as you guys are legitimately... Yeah, you have to be full in.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, no, I say, no, no.

Speaker 1 Well, then, yeah.

Speaker 1 But I do like,

Speaker 1 I do catch myself every now and then being like, they when it's going bad in my head. Now you got to stay consistent.

Speaker 9 I think I might have said they early on in the Eagles season when people were down to the shit.

Speaker 9 And they're really not doing this well.

Speaker 1 One thing that gets said about you a lot is that you're a better person than you were a football player.

Speaker 9 People say that about me.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they say that about you. Do you realize that?

Speaker 9 Are you making this up on the screen?

Speaker 1 I've seen a lot of quotes. Like, he's an incredible person.
But do you realize that's bullshit? We're here to tell you that's bullshit. Yeah, this is why I'm here.
Because that would make me feel like

Speaker 1 you're one of the top. I don't know, if you're in the hall of fame, I don't know how many people are in the hall of fame, but one of the top thousand guys ever to play football.

Speaker 9 You're not,

Speaker 1 you're not one of the top five thousand people to ever live.

Speaker 9 Well, I can guarantee I'm not a good person. I'm a piece of shit.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 I just want to make sure because, like, we always say it, like, when people are like, oh, J.J. Watts, better person than a football player.
We're like, dude, he was a really good football player.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's that good of a person. There's no chance

Speaker 1 to be that good of a person. He's a great person.

Speaker 1 Dalai Lama? Yeah, he's right. Right.

Speaker 1 I've never seen him with three-point stands. That might not have gone.

Speaker 9 That didn't age well, did it?

Speaker 1 No, he licks boys. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Fuck.

Speaker 5 That was a weird week on the internet.

Speaker 1 That was a really weird week.

Speaker 1 He just said, he was just like, it looked like he was sending an envelope with a stick. Is there anybody that

Speaker 9 lived up to being a good person? Like Mahat Magandhi, like apparently

Speaker 9 just love sex orgies or something like that.

Speaker 1 It's always cursed down.

Speaker 9 There's something.

Speaker 1 It's like it's got to be like just some random person that you never.

Speaker 9 Wasn't there something like with Mother Teresa where there was some. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. She's bad.
She was a stat.

Speaker 6 She was a stat compiler.

Speaker 1 I mean, what the fuck? Yeah. I think she had some bad tweets.

Speaker 6 She would go into a hospital and just be like, blessed, blessed, blessed, blessed. Just walk through the hallways.

Speaker 6 And she's like, got another 200 today. Yeah.
Another 200 souls in heaven.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of garbage time.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was garbage that got added to her lifetime.

Speaker 1 I'm dead serious.

Speaker 1 You take out the garbage time. I think

Speaker 1 I think Mr.

Speaker 6 Rogers, Rogers, if Mr. Rogers, if something bad came out about him, I'd be like, fuck, nothing's real.

Speaker 6 He's a one, one solid, him and Weird Al, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the best people are like, it's like some grandma in like Toledo or something that no one ever has heard of.

Speaker 9 That's probably the best person. There's no question.

Speaker 6 You're a way better football player than human.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you were an incredible football player.

Speaker 1 Not even close. Not close.
No, but people did always, I mean, it seems like, especially in your entire career, like you're, you were a locker room guy.

Speaker 1 Did you like take pride in that being like, because you, you know, you had roster turnover year over year where you had to play with tons of iterations of a roster where you're like, I'm, I take pride in being like the glue guy here a little bit.

Speaker 9 I don't know if you ever think about it that way, you just kind of like going about being a teammate. And I think when you've,

Speaker 9 I don't know, when you've been on the shit end of the stick or on low man on the totem pole, you kind of just have a frame of reference for that.

Speaker 9 And I think you, there's always people that you know that treated you well that you looked up to and people that maybe didn't do it as well.

Speaker 9 And you're like, okay, how can I just be, you know, a good teammate, right? And I think that's,

Speaker 9 there's, you also like find out, at least I did, I think, that a lot of the selfish things that happen in football specifically where like guys get worried about another guy taking their job or

Speaker 9 like they they don't talk to like young players it almost never works out for the older guy.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 Like it almost always leads to something bad happening. Right.
And it's almost always the young guy ends up playing and the guy gets traded or cut.

Speaker 9 So like I do think there's even like a bit of selfishness there of like, hey, like, no, it's actually good for you to like talk to this guy and like be in a conducive work environment.

Speaker 9 You're going to play better as well.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 And like at the very end of the day, if this guy's better than you, he's going to take your job regardless. Right.

Speaker 1 Like it's an inevitable thing. Yeah.

Speaker 9 You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 So like you can either be a proactive member of this and that guy can then be like, hey, like that guy was really awesome to me, young in my career, or you can be a piece of shit and then that guy's still going to take your job and then you're going to be remembered as this douchebag.

Speaker 6 And if you can teach somebody how to do something, if you're trying to be helpful, show them the way, if you can actually impart that knowledge, you're learning more about it yourself, right?

Speaker 9 There's

Speaker 9 no question. I mean,

Speaker 9 Stott would actually talk about that. He would have guys, older players,

Speaker 9 describe plays to young guys. Because a big part of learning something, when you're teaching something, you're actually reinforcing it to yourself, right?

Speaker 9 So like when you do that, especially in a context like a group, like everybody's collective thought on like what this play is becomes more solidified. Yeah.
So I firmly believe that.

Speaker 9 Like you teaching somebody else is actually helping you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 1 And you're also going to, like,

Speaker 9 even Cam Juergens, when he was a rookie, Landon Dickerson, when he was a rookie, you're going to find stuff out from them that you can take.

Speaker 9 Even though they're rookies, they still have frames of reference from the game. And like, college, they're doing creative new shit every year.
And it's like, oh, okay, that's how you guys did that.

Speaker 9 And then you're like, in your head, you're like, okay, well, that's fucking stupid. Or you're like, oh, that's fucking really cool out there trying to do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I'm fascinated by the transition you made when you go to college and you become a lineman. And you were, what, a running back and a linebacker?

Speaker 1 It's a linebacker primarily.

Speaker 9 We were in a wing tee in high school. Oh, nice.
And I was one of the wing guys. And we would run the ball at me 98% of the time.
I was just a lead blocker in the wing team.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 9 And every once in a while, the entire defense knew that was happening.

Speaker 9 And I get an audible jet sweep the other way. So I average like 9.8 yards of carry because it was wide open.
That's awesome. Yeah, but I was a linebacker.

Speaker 6 So you go to college, and some coach is like, hey, we'd like you to play center. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Are you crazy? Are you immediately like, okay?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 9 I was in winter conditioning.

Speaker 1 This is right when Paul Longo got hired.

Speaker 9 And he said,

Speaker 9 you know, you make a good center one day.

Speaker 9 I'm like, what the fuck is this guy talking about?

Speaker 1 I've never played offensive line.

Speaker 9 I'm 235 pounds. I thought he was like, just like fucking with me, like calling me unathletic.
He's like a linebacker.

Speaker 9 That was his way to shit talk me for being like a bad athlete.

Speaker 1 That's what I would think.

Speaker 6 You got fat over the years.

Speaker 9 Like, I get it. I freaking put on a freshman 15.
I'm doing.

Speaker 9 And then

Speaker 9 I was a walk-on, and like three days into spring practice, spring ball, ball,

Speaker 9 before we started hitting, which was like

Speaker 9 the worst part of my game because we were just doing like seven on seven. I couldn't cover anybody.
Like I was a downhill fill the A gap Mike linebacker.

Speaker 9 I was not like go, and this is probably why they moved me to offensive line, but

Speaker 9 three days in, they're like, hey, we want to try out offensive line. So I do that for the spring.

Speaker 9 And then after that, they came up and the offensive line coach, Jeff Quinn, I was like, hey, we're going to keep you at center.

Speaker 9 I was like, well, coach, I'll probably just transfer. Like, I don't think I'm going to put on 60 pounds, 50 pounds for free.
I'm going to walk on. I'll just go walk on someplace else.
Right.

Speaker 9 And they said, well, if you agree to go to offensive line, we can't give you a scholarship in the fall, but we can give you one in the winter.

Speaker 1 Like, we're already filled for this next quarter. Right.

Speaker 9 But the moment those guys graduate, we'll put you on a scholarship. So that was kind of like a quick way that I got a scholarship after my first year.
That's

Speaker 9 a good idea.

Speaker 1 It's my first contract negotiation. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 And then I just like loaded up on the double cheeseburgers and french fries. And I had high blood pressure for a year in college because I was eating so much.

Speaker 1 But that's incredible, though, that he just looked at you and was like, yeah, you'd be a center.

Speaker 9 And I mean, that's what Paul did. Like, he, again, Joe Staley at Central Michigan, he did with a bunch of guys at Iowa, too.

Speaker 9 Like, he had this knack of just looking at somebody's frame, and he believed in like taking athletic guys and making them offensive linemen. Right.
That was like his model. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I love that.

Speaker 6 like character trait about a football coach where he just looks at a human being he's like sees his hips tight end all right i don't know if it was the way i I was moving or what it was.

Speaker 1 God, really?

Speaker 9 Everybody else thinks I'm way too small. He's like, no, you're going to be good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1 If you had to bet aside in this game.

Speaker 9 I had to bet. Okay.

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Speaker 1 Spreads one and a half right now.

Speaker 9 Spreads one and a half. It's good.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 This was one, because we were just talking about all this stuff on the pod, and I didn't want to touch anything with the game.

Speaker 9 I ended up taking.

Speaker 1 You got a prop? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 we did a prop parlay. I took Mahomes over on passing touchdowns and anytime hurts, and then a coin flip.
All right.

Speaker 1 Because I can't.

Speaker 5 What did you do with the coin flip?

Speaker 1 I went Tails. All right.
There we go. Good call.
Never fails. Tails never fails.

Speaker 10 Absolutely. Tails never fails.

Speaker 9 But it's, yeah, it's hard. This one's a very difficult one.
I could see it going either way. I think the Eagles are really, really talented.
But if the game's close,

Speaker 9 it's always just like the Mahomes fans.

Speaker 12 I've seen it before.

Speaker 6 Like it's Mahomes, Andy Reid.

Speaker 9 They've been there so many times. So I could see them getting out to a big lead and having a controlling game, the Eagles.
But I could also see it being really close because they got Spagnol.

Speaker 9 They have a really good defense.

Speaker 1 It's the dumbest analysis, but it's also the smartest.

Speaker 1 Like before, I think it was maybe the Chiefs-Texans game, it was like we were breaking it down. I was like, I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 Like if Mahomes need, if they need a first down, Mahomes will either run for it or find Travis Kelsey, and then they'll get it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and then they'll just do that again, and then they'll win the game.

Speaker 1 I know there's a lot more to football and the defense and everything, but it's like when you decipher it down to like the three or four gotta have it plays on offense for the Chiefs in this run has just been Mahomes with his feet or finding Travis.

Speaker 9 And their defense is really good. Keep them in those situations.
If they didn't have a good defense, the Chiefs would not be a good football team. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, no team would be good without without a defense, but

Speaker 9 commanders were pretty good.

Speaker 1 We didn't really have much of a defense.

Speaker 6 We ended up being like average by the end of the year.

Speaker 9 They got a lot better by the end of the year.

Speaker 9 Bobby Wagner and Dan Quinn did a phenomenal job.

Speaker 6 We had a great goal line defense against the Tushbush. There you go.
Just jump over top. Just keep going off the stage.

Speaker 1 Four times kill landing on the table. How much more awarded points?

Speaker 6 How much would you suck? Yeah, being Cam Juergens. You get a bad back.
Yeah, and

Speaker 1 landing on you over and over.

Speaker 1 That would suck.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think it's,

Speaker 9 yeah, they have a defense that's going to keep the game within a score, and they have a quarterback that is like the best of all time with the game that close. So

Speaker 9 it's hard to pick against that. And that's why they keep winning, right? Yeah.
Have you everybody thinks the officials are on their side? And

Speaker 9 it's all rigged for them because how do they continue to win all these games? Sod father.

Speaker 4 Sod father.

Speaker 5 That one was real.

Speaker 1 That one, yeah. Have you noticed the difference in Siriani in that, like, you, you obviously, you know, you saw him when he's an early coach.

Speaker 1 He goes to the playoffs and goes to the Super Bowl Last year, didn't go so well towards the end of the year.

Speaker 1 Felt like he was kind of losing a little bit of the hold of the rope, but this year they've been incredible. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 do you think it's just him getting more comfortable with the job?

Speaker 9 No, I think they got better players this year and hired two really good coordinators. Not that the guys weren't there last year weren't good.
It's just, I think

Speaker 9 they have better players. Offensively, they signed Saquon, right?

Speaker 9 Defensively,

Speaker 9 all these young guys they've drafted have panned out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Quinyon Mitchell.

Speaker 9 Quinyon, Cooper,

Speaker 9 Zach Bond in the offseason. Jaron Carter has really come into it.
Like someone gotten even better from his rookie year. So like they have a lot of really talented players.

Speaker 9 The young guys have panned out, and both of those coordinators have done really well. I think Nick's been a great head coach since he's been there.
He communicates really well in team meetings.

Speaker 10 He's

Speaker 9 the organizational aspect of being a head coach, he's quite frankly probably the best I've been around.

Speaker 9 I mean, I was young when I was with Andy, so it's hard for me to, I wasn't like evaluating the head coach as like a rookie. Right.

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah, yes, sir.

Speaker 10 Yep, I'll go do that.

Speaker 9 But like now, having been through like four different head coaches, he does that very, very well.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 I think he was a great head coach last year. There's just a lot of circumstances that led to a deterioration at the end of it.

Speaker 9 Part of that's like the defense underperformed offensively, started getting crushed, couldn't handle blitzes. Now they've gotten that structure back and they're excelling.

Speaker 1 And he also knows when to use his kids as human shits.

Speaker 9 Dude, he's been doing that.

Speaker 1 That was the best.

Speaker 9 I felt so bad.

Speaker 1 That was the funniest, most transparent move. So I would do the same thing.

Speaker 9 Jacob's caught in the middle of this.

Speaker 9 I just can't wait if he does win the Super Bowl. I really hope he brings the kids up in front of you.

Speaker 1 Jesus is like this giant. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's a question for my kids. All right, so are you ready? We got

Speaker 1 a whole gang of Philly representation in the room. Yeah, baby.
Are you ready for some guest questions?

Speaker 9 Oh, fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's start with Roan.

Speaker 9 Roan, I see him. He's already getting ready.

Speaker 1 Yep. Ron's ready to go.

Speaker 1 I love that fucking sweatshirt. You are so

Speaker 1 you obviously feel it, but I don't think there's anyone in Philly that's more loved than you. Roan might be one of them.
Ron is up there.

Speaker 20 It's not true.

Speaker 6 I think the thing about Jason is you look like an Eagles fan. Yeah.
I think if you were to take like one guy in the NFL and be like, does this person look like

Speaker 6 he's from the city of the team?

Speaker 9 We did a look-alike

Speaker 9 thing yesterday with Marriott or Marriott where

Speaker 9 there's like 25 Kelsey look-alikes, and there's been like all these look-alikes all around the city.

Speaker 9 I think I look like a lot of white guys that have beards and are kind of overweight.

Speaker 1 I just have that look.

Speaker 9 Any city, I'm very relatable to you.

Speaker 1 Which I do think PFT is right. It's like 101 Dalmatians when the owners look like the dogs.

Speaker 1 You just slowly started looking more like Philly.

Speaker 6 It's like when Gardner Minchi was on the Jags, I was like, that dude, he's from Jackson.

Speaker 1 Fair enough.

Speaker 20 But that's kind of what my question kind of leads into. Like, Delco, Delaware County, has almost become like a national thing.
Like, people know about Delco.

Speaker 20 And then I see you on, they call it late night, and you're like rocking the Tims and the hoodie. And it's like Delco coded almost.
And then, like, the Seat Isle stuff.

Speaker 20 Like, how has that informed your personality? How did you kind of choose that as your tribe as opposed to living in a gated community in South Jersey or something like that? You're in the shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, I would not say we're in the shit.

Speaker 1 But I mean, like,

Speaker 5 you're mixing it up.

Speaker 23 You're a ball.

Speaker 1 You're a common CIO.

Speaker 20 Yeah, that's what I mean by it.

Speaker 9 Well, I grew up wearing the Tim's in high school. That was like, I wore a pair of skechers one time to high school, and never again.
I was like, dude, I got to wear something better than this.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 9 everybody who was cool as shit wore Timms. So I'm like, all right, I'm wearing Tims from that one.

Speaker 1 It's proportional to your body. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't wear like running shoes. That's right.

Speaker 9 But, you know, I don't know. I think

Speaker 9 I don't, I've always identified and like, I just like hanging out with people that are freaking down to earth, don't take things too seriously, just want to, you know, enjoy life, have a beer.

Speaker 9 So, yeah, I just kind of try and surround myself in those areas. I wanted to be in Upper Derby, actually.

Speaker 9 And Kylie was like, there's no fucking chance we're living in Upper Derby.

Speaker 1 That's what I said.

Speaker 9 They have fights every day at school. And I'm like, that's

Speaker 9 a good idea.

Speaker 1 We had that in my high school. That's a point.

Speaker 9 You learn more about life at school.

Speaker 6 I want to see my kids in the most violent elements of school.

Speaker 4 And they're like, Jason, we have three daughters.

Speaker 9 Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 1 They got to learn how to fight.

Speaker 20 And then, real quick, X's and O's. So everybody's talking about the big thing in the offseason was like

Speaker 20 the line calls are going from you to Jalen Hurts. To Jalen.
Yeah, to Jalen. So as you're assessing back over the season, how do you feel like he did?

Speaker 20 And what did you do to kind of prepare him to take on that big role?

Speaker 1 I think we've been

Speaker 9 kind of jointly doing that for a long time. Now, I would handle it a lot at the line of scrimmage.
He would handle extreme situations, blitz zero things that need checks.

Speaker 9 And now he's taken over for all of it. And he's done a great job.
And I think

Speaker 9 the biggest thing that's the most important with Blitz pickup is that the quarterback knows where the protection is, and he has an answer if he's going to be hot. That's the most important thing.

Speaker 9 And now he is so aware of all that that even even when it's not picked up, he knows where to go with the football. It's not a catastrophic situation.

Speaker 9 And I think that towards the end of the year, and especially if you're going up against a guy like Spaggs who's going to overload you, if you don't, if you aren't comfortable being hot, it's a bad situation to be in.

Speaker 9 And I think that now they've handled that so much better. And the numbers seem to say that.

Speaker 9 I mean, I don't remember exactly what they were, but I know early in the year, the numbers against the Blitz were like very, very good. So I think he's doing well.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I think so, too. You're doing great too, brother.
Thanks, Ryan.

Speaker 1 Thank you for your questions, Ron. All right.

Speaker 6 Max? What do you call a group of people from Philly? You know how it's like a murder of two.

Speaker 1 Touch Max.

Speaker 6 Yeah, John.

Speaker 1 But that's in a loving way. Yeah.
I mean, I love the most. It's John, right? It's a John of John.

Speaker 4 It's a John.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's John.

Speaker 1 It's plural and

Speaker 1 singular. It's whatever, yeah.
You met Max over in Tahoe.

Speaker 5 This is a lot of media.

Speaker 1 You are literally his hero. You probably, you saw him in the Beer Olympics.
He just cosplayed as you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nailed it. This is a big moment for him.

Speaker 4 It's a big moment for him. No, I'm cool.

Speaker 1 His voice quivering. No, no.
Strong. Confident.

Speaker 6 We have Jason Kelsey at home.

Speaker 1 Do you have a question or do you just want to do that? I got a question.

Speaker 1 I've got a question.

Speaker 1 Have you decided what you're wearing for the game yet? No, this is serious. This is serious.
You're blowing.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. No, I'm not.

Speaker 11 Because this is, I've talked to my friends. I've talked to my family.
The one question that...

Speaker 6 everyone wants to know is what you're wearing.

Speaker 9 I don't know what I'm wearing yet. I'm still figuring it out.
I was going to wear a share t-shirt to just not wear anything Eagles or Chiefs or whatever.

Speaker 1 No, that's not.

Speaker 9 It's going to be completely different.

Speaker 9 I have not figured it out yet, no. Just my shirtless.
Do you have recommendations?

Speaker 1 Yes, Eagles.

Speaker 1 That is my recommendation.

Speaker 11 I understand that, you know, Chiefs, brother, you love family, but I mean,

Speaker 11 the city of Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 There's some family there. Maybe Big Dom to give you a track suit.

Speaker 9 I could just wear a Big Dom shirt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big Dom. Oh, that would be good.

Speaker 5 Big Dom's the best. Big Dom's the best.

Speaker 1 We met him finally for the first time yesterday. He told us he just pared down his entire closet.
He only has 131 tracksuits.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's what he wears every single day. It's like the funniest stereotype I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 And Lane Johnson was very viewed.

Speaker 4 He was like, I've never seen his legs.

Speaker 1 He's like, I don't think I'll let me either.

Speaker 1 He's like, I've never seen him run. I've never seen his legs.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, he's fully tracksuit every single day. You see him.
You go in there before the game, there's cannolis and like freaking chicken cutlet sandwiches.

Speaker 6 I think of the life force behind the Philadelphia Eagles, and I believe that.

Speaker 9 I mean, look at our record when freaking he got kicked out of the game against Sam Fray and all of a sudden, I mean, there's something to it. Yeah.
He's been a mainstay in Philly for a long time. Yep.

Speaker 9 All right, Max, you have one up. All right.

Speaker 11 Last question.

Speaker 11 I feel like

Speaker 11 the most recent Super Bowl was when you became

Speaker 11 nationally known for a personality and everything.

Speaker 11 I feel like in Philadelphia,

Speaker 11 it was the parade speech.

Speaker 9 Yeah, 17. Yeah.

Speaker 11 That was like where everyone really, everyone knew we had a great center, but that was when it was like, all right, this guy is the face of this city as far as personality and everything goes.

Speaker 11 Did you like have an idea of what you were going to say going into that and then just kind of went off of that? Or did you write everything down, like rehearse it?

Speaker 11 What went into that going into that speech?

Speaker 9 I didn't write it down, but it wasn't like off the cuff like

Speaker 1 either.

Speaker 9 Because you win a Stroop Bowl and you just think about this stuff.

Speaker 9 So the moment you win, you're thinking about everything you had to do in your career to get there and all these things that had to go right to accomplish that lifetime achievement. And you're

Speaker 9 thinking about that initially. And then you start thinking about like, oh, my God,

Speaker 9 think about Nick Foles and

Speaker 9 Lane Johnson, like all these guys, they're career story arcs as well. Then you're thinking about even just like the season, how a lot of these guys were kind of like misfits added in.

Speaker 9 And you think about Doug Peterson, Howie Roseman was just on the other side of the bill. So like all that stuff starts going in.

Speaker 9 So I kind of knew, I remember like three in the morning, I like wake Kylie up. I'm like, hey, like, what do you think about this? I got to like say it.
And she's like, will you go to sleep?

Speaker 9 And so I kind of knew what I wanted to say. I knew I wanted to kind of go through the coaches, then to Howie, then go through the team, and then draw it back to Philly.

Speaker 9 And that's kind of how it happened. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Good job.
All right.

Speaker 1 That's it. All right.
I love you. Yeah.
Love you too. And then last one, what are you wearing? Yeah.
Yeah. What are you wearing?

Speaker 11 I will be wearing my Eagles overalls underneath a black sweatshirt that Big Dom gave me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 So I can't.

Speaker 1 Now my ass is just

Speaker 1 out butt crack.

Speaker 1 All right, good. I actually like that butt crack out is out for this.

Speaker 11 All right, that's it.

Speaker 1 Good job, Max. All right, Kate's last.

Speaker 1 That had everything.

Speaker 6 Everything we expected more, Max.

Speaker 1 You're all these people's heroes. You know that.

Speaker 1 Kate is last up who you met at your event in Seattle.

Speaker 4 Jersey Shore, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So many notes.

Speaker 23 This is going to be weird.

Speaker 1 You got this, Kate.

Speaker 23 Oh, hi, Jason.

Speaker 1 Hi, Kate.

Speaker 23 You probably remember me from the Eagles Autism Fundraiser last summer. Yes.
Where I drank so much that I donated $1,000 to play Flip Cup with you.

Speaker 23 And then I lost. And then later that night, I had a full-blown panic attack because I had just yelled at Pat for buying a $99 beach umbrella.

Speaker 23 We got into a huge argument.

Speaker 1 How are you doing? Doing good. Good.
Great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 23 So my thing is

Speaker 23 roasting a little bit. I've been on here before I roasted Chris Long.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I think you have tough skin. All right, let's do it.

Speaker 23 Here we go.

Speaker 23 In 2007, the UC Bearcats won the Papa John's Pizza Bowl. And here in New Orleans, you were in the 2010 Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 23 Maybe it's time for a salad bowl.

Speaker 1 I'm just kidding.

Speaker 23 I like my men, how I like my Campbell soup.

Speaker 1 Chunky.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 23 But wow, look at you post-retirement. Podcasting, singing, late-night TV show, beer, commercials, NFL commentary.

Speaker 23 Flag, number 62, holding on to relevance.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 My God.

Speaker 23 Taylor Swift has songs like Blank Space and You Need to Calm Down. What's it like to be such a big inspiration to her?

Speaker 23 No, you know what? I can't roast you. I can't do this.
I... Don't know if you could tell.
I'm a huge Eagles fan and I'm a huge fan of you. And I have an ulterior motive.
And this is genuine.

Speaker 23 I want to become part of your inner circle so fucking bad.

Speaker 23 I want to get in with your people. Shout out Emily, your coordinator.

Speaker 1 I've been texting her about kids stuff.

Speaker 23 Yeah, we're super cool.

Speaker 23 So I thought, you know, my mom, Havertown, up behind the Manoah Shopping Center. I'm sure everybody knows the Manoah Shopping Center.
Dad, Drexel Hill, down the street from Maple Lane, Smalling Alley.

Speaker 23 I pretend to be from Delco.

Speaker 23 You're from Delco. So I thought we could go over some things we both have in common and maybe you could decide to pull me into your inner circle instead.

Speaker 1 I can't do this.

Speaker 23 We've both lost rings. You lost your Super Bowl ring in a pool of skyline chili.

Speaker 23 And I got divorced once.

Speaker 23 I don't know for sure, but I'd say both an enormous amount of pubic hair.

Speaker 1 It's true.

Speaker 23 You played for the birds, and I've been told I look like Larry Bird.

Speaker 23 My mom also prefers my brother.

Speaker 23 We won't say it out loud, but we both think Patrick Mahomes is a fucking dork.

Speaker 1 I know we do.

Speaker 23 You were a fast, offensive lineman. Back in my prime, I was offensively fast with lines and men.

Speaker 23 We're both obsessed with your wife.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Big time.
Definitely.

Speaker 23 Someone got in your face to call your brother the F-Slur. That used to happen to me, too, in high school, but my brother was on the robotics team, so it checked out.

Speaker 1 See what.

Speaker 1 Wait, there's more.

Speaker 23 We both know what it's like to have haters. Yours, because you're incredibly smart, you're kind, hardworking, and that leads to a lot of success.
People get jealous of that.

Speaker 23 And mine is more of a personality thing.

Speaker 23 People just kind of hate me because of who I am.

Speaker 23 Really, though, I admire you and your family so much. I have to do it.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 23 I admire you and your family so much. I love that you stayed in Philly, that you continue to highlight the team and the city in such positive and fun ways all the time.

Speaker 23 And what your family does for Delco and businesses there. And the Eagles Autism Foundation is amazing.
And I just, I just love you.

Speaker 1 You're still fat, though.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Jason. Oh, man.

Speaker 9 Officially part of the inner circle.

Speaker 1 Yes, it has to be.

Speaker 1 All right, well, Jason, this has been so much fun.

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Speaker 1 Kate mentioned it.

Speaker 9 How does your wife deal with you?

Speaker 1 Because she actually, I think, is like a role model for all idiots out there. Like, I know personally, I'm like, look at him when my wife is like, you're being an idiot.

Speaker 9 I'm like, but he's got his shirt off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've actually been told not to, like, I've done a lot of shit in my barstool career. I told you about eating vomit.
Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 1 My wife literally, the only thing she gets mad at was when I take my shirt off.

Speaker 4 She's like, just stop taking your shirt off.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. She's like, she has an issue with this.
My pants. I do everything.
She's like, just don't take your shirt off.

Speaker 9 Why do you got to do that? Nobody wants to see that.

Speaker 1 Like, come on.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I have no idea how Kylie puts up with me. And I think,

Speaker 9 yeah, yeah, you're going to have to ask her. Emily, do you know?

Speaker 1 How does Kylie handle me?

Speaker 1 Emily. Emily.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 She just tells Emily.

Speaker 9 I think,

Speaker 4 I don't know. We just,

Speaker 9 yeah, I don't really know how to answer that question, man.

Speaker 1 It's just great.

Speaker 9 I think I am a half-Neanderthal, half 21st-century human being.

Speaker 9 that functions very much by the seat of my pants.

Speaker 9 and luckily my wife puts up with me and loves me in a way that she sees my flaws and runs with them and yeah I don't know that's about all I can answer for it yeah you're real that's I think that's what people love is you're real yeah I think the biggest thing that's a struggle is again like

Speaker 1 I am awful at

Speaker 9 sticking to any type of schedule or knowing what I'm gonna do and when you have three kids yeah and a fourth on the way that's like the number one thing anybody wants. So that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 9 But outside of that,

Speaker 9 she doesn't care that much when I take my shirt off, except for the one time I did in front of Taylor.

Speaker 1 It was a little bit of that one.

Speaker 1 I'll say that. Your performance at that game,

Speaker 6 it was perfect because you were obviously hammered. You were having a great time.
Very.

Speaker 6 But you also didn't do anything embarrassing. Like you just, all you did was skyrocket to the top of like most average dudes, like number one guy they want to drink a beer with.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I find most of the time when I do embarrassing things, it ends up positive.

Speaker 1 It could have been way less. It could have been way more real.

Speaker 1 I think most people, like, having fun, people see that and they're like, man, like, as long as you keep having fun.

Speaker 9 I just, like, I've always saw, I've always watched the Buffalo games, and, like, I love when Fitz takes his shirt off, and like, any fan outside in a snowy environment, shirt off, I'm like, that guy's fucking the coolest dude on the planet.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I don't know why, but I fucking like that. Yeah, I agree.
So I'm like, all right, I'm gonna fucking do that. Yeah, but I can't do that in the suite.

Speaker 9 Like, I'm surrounded by heat, so I gotta jump out of the suite

Speaker 1 so that this makes a real feel. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That actually makes perfect.

Speaker 1 All right, well, Jason, thanks so much, man. We really appreciate it.
You got a ton of huge fans here.

Speaker 4 Keep crushing it. Thank you.
But don't crush it.

Speaker 1 It's too much. Like, you have football money.

Speaker 5 This is our livelihood. How many podcasts are you a week?

Speaker 6 What's your schedule? One a week, two a week?

Speaker 1 We're doing one a week. Yeah, just chill out.

Speaker 6 One every other week? Chilling.

Speaker 1 One every other week. Yeah, this is our livelihood.
You're doing this.

Speaker 6 You parachute it in and you try to. My culture is not your costume.

Speaker 1 Just relax, okay? Well, I think

Speaker 9 we admire everything you guys do. I think your show is fantastic.
Max,

Speaker 9 pleasure to sit on this couch with you. Kate, pleasure to be roasted by you.
All the Philly people and non-Philly people associated with the show. I'm a huge fan, fan, so it's an honor to be here.

Speaker 9 Thank you, man.

Speaker 1 Shout out Pug. Yes.

Speaker 10 Shout out Pug.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Pug.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is now one of our favorite annual traditions.
It's the Schwamm, Chris Berman, before the Super Bowl. Had to have you on.

Speaker 1 Let's start with this. How are you feeling overall?

Speaker 1 Congrats on 45 years of ESPN. Yeah, hard to believe.
Are we going to 50

Speaker 1 well um hi fellas Le Ruck Honteur and Le Crancha

Speaker 1 named after Andres Galaraga the big cat

Speaker 1 and the commenter the ruck honour the explainer um

Speaker 1 I never thought of that number until I did a couple interviews about 45 and I'm the first at ESPN to get to 45 which again I don't know if that meant I climbed Mount Everest or

Speaker 1 discovered the North Pole or what it is.

Speaker 1 That That was never a goal. And a couple of folks, like you said, well, have you thought of 50? I said, actually, I have not, because that was never a goal.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 1 you know, we have our first, ABC's had Super Bowls, but ESPN has their first Super Bowl in a couple of years. I think they want me around for that.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not saying they should, but I think they want to. No, I'll say that.
They said if I get there, that's kind of 47 and a half at this point. Might as well.

Speaker 1 Either push it or give it Sean Lynch and get in the dark end zone, right? It really is.

Speaker 1 It would be cool.

Speaker 1 It's outside of ESPN, just that many years in this business, which you know is a cutthroat business, and people are always trying to knife each other, and people don't last for this long.

Speaker 1 It's a testament to you and your talent.

Speaker 7 Like, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I'm there for 50. If you want to do a big party, we're there for 50.
I think this is the site. I mean, you guys treated me like royalty.
I'm really not sure why.

Speaker 1 But I love it. Like I tell you, I get stopped nine months later after we do the Super Bowl show and either tells me one of two things, they go, your show with a part of my take, guys, it's great.

Speaker 1 It tells me one of two things. It tells me

Speaker 1 it was really a great show and they remember it, or the rest of your shows are terrible.

Speaker 1 I really haven't decided yet, but I'm here to bail you out, all right? So 50, if they'll have, look, if they're stupid enough to have me, I'd love to do it because I'm

Speaker 1 it's football. Yeah, it's football.
It's football. It's football.
It's football. It's football.
And then I calmed after football. I don't do everything I used to do.

Speaker 1 You actually now have the job that we really like lust for: is that football, do football, and then after football, be like, hey, you know what? We're going to take six months off and play some golf.

Speaker 1 I work pretty hard to do that. I know.
You deserve every second of it. You know, no, I'm going to have to live a long time to play the golf if I can shoot my age.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to live to about 87.

Speaker 1 Okay. But, you know, we'll see.
Maybe we can lower that to 84. But thank you.

Speaker 1 It was never a goal. Yeah, yeah.
And if we get into this with goals like, I'm going to do this, I'm going to be famous, I'm going to make this kind of money, we don't get there.

Speaker 6 No, but once you reach this stage, the numbers in front of you have to think about it. Yeah.
It's not the start. At the start, you weren't like, 50 is my number, but you're so close.

Speaker 6 It's like, yeah, 50 would be magical.

Speaker 1 We'll build a statue. It would be the first.
Well, I don't need that, but

Speaker 1 put my face somewhere that they could throw darts at it.

Speaker 1 But it would be

Speaker 1 a 50-year employee at ESPN. There may not be another one.

Speaker 1 Because times are different. No, right.
That's what I'm saying. I started a portion of that.
Businesses are so hard.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you're in. Okay.
We got that going for us. And it's a party of three at least.

Speaker 1 And a party was the key word.

Speaker 6 We love how much you love football. It's very clear that you still love football.
I don't know if the game has changed.

Speaker 6 It's obviously changed on the field, but like your relationship with it, your relationship with the game itself, it's gotten so much bigger.

Speaker 6 All the media, all the marketing around it, there's a lot that is wrapped around football that's changed over the years.

Speaker 6 But in terms of you and the game, how you see the game, has that changed or has that kind of stayed the same?

Speaker 1 Stayed the same more than you think. Now, that sounds goofy after what we've just said.
I mean, my first Super Bowl, just to put it to that, was Super Bowl 16, the Niners' first one.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the amount of media coverage, I mean, it's A versus Z, obviously. And a different media.
So it's that it, okay, what's surrounded?

Speaker 1 Even Media Day, 10 years ago, you still on Tuesday were in the stadium interviewing the guys. Right.
You know, now it's Caligula or whatever they have, you know, on Monday, and it's okay.

Speaker 1 You know, 10, 12 years ago, I did the draft. Well, I did 35 of them, which doesn't make me good or bad, but it's whatever the number is.

Speaker 1 And until 10 years ago, like the biggest, we'd see the Radio City Musical, which is, oh my God, the history, and it's 5,000 people, and it's fun. And now we have half a million,

Speaker 1 250,000 people outside,

Speaker 1 maybe waiting for a name in 30 degrees.

Speaker 1 And, okay, well, it'll be Green Bay. I mean, how's that going to be? Well, I mean, it is April, but still.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 but the game itself, I mean, we're not getting XO. I mean, we could do that too

Speaker 1 because the Chiefs are a perfect reason to go XO, comparing them to the great teams that repeated.

Speaker 1 That's actually fun when you think about it.

Speaker 1 It's still the last game, I think.

Speaker 1 Okay, you guys are in at 7.30 in the morning. Not like that's the worst thing.
There are plenty of people that go to work at 5 a.m. You know, you're in and you're going to know the game plan.

Speaker 1 So there's still a lot of

Speaker 1 old world. Wrong term.
No, but you're right. Older world.

Speaker 1 This is the way it's still set up week to week when you get there. I mean the money and the this and the fame and this is all different, but success, they still, and look, they'll play 18 games.

Speaker 1 If it's not next year, it's the year after or whatever, and they'll play in Australia and they'll play whatever.

Speaker 1 But at the end, but still not playing 162 games or 82 games. Every week matters.
It does. You can have two off weeks and you're still okay.
Yeah. But you better not have four.
Yeah. And that's still,

Speaker 1 you know, the coaches go to work kind of the same way.

Speaker 1 They look at these these films and or whatever they're on now you know on tuesday nights when the players are you know at their day off that really hasn't changed so it's

Speaker 1 it's changing the way they do it but not that they do it does that make sense yeah absolutely so i kind of like it there's still a

Speaker 1 and when i see a pocket passer which we don't

Speaker 1 I still think of the first videos I'd see of Johnny and Idis, you know, like, or Namath, who's my guy, who I grew up with. And

Speaker 1 when there's a perfect pocket and it's a pocket play and of which the minority now right yeah I see it it's like ooh or I see an old-fashioned screen old-fashioned screen

Speaker 1 go back and you're in and you thought oh my this

Speaker 1 when we watch the games on Sundays like you guys do

Speaker 1 and My favorite is when Baltimore does it to Ricard, okay, the fullback.

Speaker 1 I always beg John Harbaugh, like, come on, this is a week you can, you know, give me one.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's like the ball floats. And he's not

Speaker 1 Mercurial. He's not Lamar Jackson catching a screen pass.

Speaker 1 And then the three blockers you can see on TV. Ooh, this is set up great.

Speaker 1 And I still remember those plays. Again, it's a long answer for, I'm still excited.

Speaker 1 I still think there's a lot of similarity. Yeah, baseball's a...
I think football still holds the most to maybe 45 years ago, if that's the right thing to say. Yeah, it's still about about toughness.

Speaker 1 It's still about, yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 6 they can change the game. They can make certain hits illegal.
It's harder to hit the quarterback, all this stuff.

Speaker 6 But anybody that says, like, oh, they're turning to flag football, it's try stepping out of the field. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a very, it's a very violent game.

Speaker 6 It's a very violent sport. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so you mentioned the Chiefs. You are a student of the game, historian of the game.
If the Kansas City Chiefs win on Sunday and they complete the three-peat, are they the best team of all time?

Speaker 1 And if not, who do you have? Oh,

Speaker 1 that's a tough one because we're in the world of the GOAT. Again, the team is not

Speaker 1 some other team. It's never been done.
It's never been done in the world.

Speaker 1 No, so here's the thing. And, of course, their fourth one's not that far back.
If they get it, Philly is the best team they're going to play. I mean,

Speaker 1 this would be rough. We'll get to the game for them.

Speaker 1 I majored in history at college, which neither here nor there.

Speaker 1 Did I go on to be a Rhodes scholar in it? No. I'm saying

Speaker 1 football history as well didn't use it at all. Right.
Well, no, I do. You got to say.
No, I don't. Well, we're in the United States, so you got to know who, you know, Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson.

Speaker 1 I throw them in every now and then. George Washington, he's on the dollar bill.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, Andrew Jackson, Mississippi, New Orleans, you'll hear him this week.

Speaker 1 I'll trot him out.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 9 so.

Speaker 1 First of all, I'd like, I've been thinking all year

Speaker 1 that we might see it.

Speaker 1 But certain things had to happen for them to get to this place.

Speaker 1 Last year they won for the first time, but they beat Baltimore and Buffalo and then Baltimore on the road. I don't think their defense is quite as good as last year.

Speaker 1 They would probably admit that and say that. It's still better than the one that won the first time.

Speaker 1 But their offense was better than or their passing game was better. I think,

Speaker 1 and they also knew that they did not have to beat both by working their tail off and blocking field goals and having the Raiders fumble the snap and doinking it off the upright and the size 15 shoe on Baltimore with a size 13 foot.

Speaker 1 I mean, we could go on and on and on. Oh, they're lucky to win.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 all that got them home, and they did not have to play both Baltimore and Buffalo. I don't know that they could have gotten through the two of them on the road like last year.

Speaker 1 That sounds like I'm saying they wouldn't have won. No, but you're right.
I don't don't know that they would have. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So are they the best team of all time?

Speaker 1 The fact that you won three and Pittsburgh won two, but four in six years,

Speaker 1 I still look to them. But then again, that's 50.
You know, I was young. Yeah, and football was different.
And

Speaker 1 the difference, well, because Mahomes is constant, the coach is constant. I mean, I really haven't thought about this.

Speaker 1 That question was great. Because it is history.

Speaker 1 Chelsea's the same, but... Chris Jones.
Yeah, Chris Jones, but they're not a lot of others. Whereas Pittsburgh, although that was, you know, two and then not, and then two, four and six years,

Speaker 1 you didn't change rosters because you couldn't. Right.
They played until they were almost too old. Right.
Because other than the draft, you're not, there's not,

Speaker 1 where are we getting players? So guys who were in their 12th and 13th year, I mean, the Steelers were kind of,

Speaker 1 ooh, you know, the 78 Steelers for one year kind of come to mind. So best team, meaning in a five or six, seven-year span,

Speaker 1 or best single team? Because the Chiefs might say, We've had

Speaker 1 the offense that won the first one, which remember, they trailed by 10 in the fourth quarter of San Francisco or whatever it was, 11, it was 10, I think, right? 10.

Speaker 1 But they had younger Mahomes, younger Kelsey, not necessarily better, actually, not probably, but still them.

Speaker 1 Tyreek Hill

Speaker 1 and Sammy Watkins. They, last year, they couldn't catch the ball.
I mean, right?

Speaker 6 Until they had to. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 Until they flew.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I'm taking a long time because I want to give you... So the fact that they would win three in a row, does that put them ahead of any other three-year span?

Speaker 6 It's such a funny question, too, because, like you said, this individual team,

Speaker 6 you could make the argument that the 16-0 Patriots were a better team than these Kansas City Chiefs, but look who's got the opportunity to win three in a row.

Speaker 1 Correct. And it's just going back.
You know how hard it is to get back up because it's never happened.

Speaker 1 There's been great teams. Cowboys won back-to-back.
The Patriots won back-to-back. There's these great teams in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 But to be able to get back off the mat again and put together this season, it's incredible. It is.

Speaker 1 As you guys know, no one's ever made it back to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 Super Bowl, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you would think one of them would have, but a lot of times they ran into a team that was going to win the Super Bowl. Like Miami, that's going way back.

Speaker 1 Well, that was the Sea of Hands, excuse me. Pittsburgh got beat by Oakland one of the times, and Oakland won that first Super Bowl.
So

Speaker 1 because they're not blowing teams away,

Speaker 1 the easy argument would be, well, wait a minute. Did you see those Patriots?

Speaker 1 Except they don't have a championship, so they almost eliminate themselves in the last minute, I guess, in this discussion, although they were great.

Speaker 1 The Bears of 85, which is for a one-year team that was like, whoa,

Speaker 1 obviously. The 49er team, they went 15 and 1 the year before that.

Speaker 1 More recently, New England. What would I say their best?

Speaker 1 Well, their most wow team, because they scored 50 every week, was the 07, right? But their best team of the run was 04

Speaker 1 of those

Speaker 1 three and four years. It was 04.
They had a big running back. They had Corey Dillon, which they did not have the other two years in 01 and 03.

Speaker 1 And Brady was better

Speaker 1 than he was in 01, although hard to get much better than Klutch, et cetera. Sounds like I'm dancing around the answer because I don't know one-year team.
It's hard to.

Speaker 1 But yet,

Speaker 1 the totality of it. But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 Actually, we should throw that all out the window and say the following. No team ever even made it back to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And they've lost one game since Christmas that they played everybody. It's pretty insane.
So if you just say that, you don't care if it's 50 to 3. Yeah.
I don't know. Do you think?

Speaker 1 How about this?

Speaker 6 How about not using the word best, the greatest? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's, it's, it's, and Andy, obviously there's a lot of parts to a football team, but I think it puts Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes specifically at a different level because of that, just the accomplishment that has never been done.

Speaker 1 And we know how hard it is to get back there. So if they do it, it's, it's going to be one of those, wow, we probably won't see this ever again.
I don't think we will.

Speaker 1 Just because of the way, you know, it's been the longest run, 20 years from New England.

Speaker 1 We've never

Speaker 1 waited this long.

Speaker 1 You know, with the way roster shift, like in the 70s, they didn't change. So if you were Pittsburgh, you, well, you're also playing Oakland and Miami, but you know what I'm saying.
They were very.

Speaker 1 I don't think we would see it again, at least in my lifetime. You guys are young.
I mean, you just turned 40. I mean, I have socks older than both of you, okay?

Speaker 1 It does rain the basement. It gets wet.
You have to back up. But

Speaker 1 I'm not,

Speaker 1 of this run, and they haven't beaten Philadelphia yet either, by the way.

Speaker 1 Their defense of this run was the best last year because they had Sneed in addition to McDuffie.

Speaker 1 You know, although those young ones have gotten better. So when Chris Jones takes three guys,

Speaker 1 Mukar Loftus and Leo

Speaker 1 lost the playoff game. Chanel number five.
Good perfume. Badger hasn't lost the playoff game.

Speaker 1 Those guys that drafted in 2022 have not lost a playoff game. Yeah, that's crazy.
When you say that, and by the way, Mahomes is 17-3 in the playoffs. It's crazy.
Bart Starr was 9-1.

Speaker 1 Mahomes is next in percentage.

Speaker 1 9-1. He lost the first one, by the way, and won the other nine.

Speaker 6 I wonder what Brady's going to say during the game if the Chiefs win and if they win convincingly. Do you think Brady is going to take a moment and just almost put Mahomes in his place historically?

Speaker 6 Is he going to want to do that?

Speaker 1 I think so. I don't think Tom is so in a minute nobody's approaching me.
I think I know Tom some. Have I talked to him this year really, but if we'd see each other we would, but go back to 01.

Speaker 1 I think Tom always felt embarrassed that he was put

Speaker 1 prematurely ahead of Joe Montana, if you just want to say one.

Speaker 1 But Joe was his hero, right? He grew up in the Bay Area.

Speaker 1 So Tom lived it from the others. I don't think he's going to be, well, nobody's approaching me.

Speaker 1 I don't see that in Tom. What would be the purpose? It's a good question.

Speaker 1 I think what he would say is the kind of stuff that Teddy Bruski says week in and week out on our morning show. It was a really good show they had this year.

Speaker 1 I mean, in my old show, but I have nothing to do with it. I mean, except I did a few interviews and I got a piece Sunday on the other eight teams who tried to three-peat him what happened to him.

Speaker 1 I already did that. Well, we'll see.
Hopefully, it runs. I don't know.
But I recorded it. But

Speaker 1 I don't think

Speaker 1 the fact that they find a way to win and they expect it to win, and maybe the backup left guard also expects. Oh, he's in there in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 We don't even know if it's going to be Patrick or if it's going to be a block a kick. We expect to win.

Speaker 1 And we expect the other team maybe to make a mental error somewhere.

Speaker 1 Somewhere. Change their game plan a little bit.
Just a little, which sometimes, oh, they changed at the last drive, they didn't suspect that they won.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but every time, look at the championship games against the Chiefs. Buffalo played great.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That catch with Kincaid, he getting

Speaker 1 tough play, okay? But another call, did he make it? Did he forget it?

Speaker 1 But did,

Speaker 1 where was Cook on the last series? I know. Again, but I don't want to say how foolish are you.
It's not for me to say.

Speaker 1 It's just we worked out what we said. We said it.

Speaker 1 Baltimore gave up the run pre-Derrick Henry last year a little early.

Speaker 1 In retrospect, it was only a 10-point game.

Speaker 1 A little early. I'm not saying that that makes Sean

Speaker 1 or their offensive coordinators. I'm not saying it's just sometimes we're going to make a change because,

Speaker 10 and Spaggs was ready for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's also the testament to the Chiefs' greatness is they make teams panic a little, you know, where they will do something different because they're like, We're playing the Chiefs, we can't make mistakes, and then they get you in that like the Baltimore game last year, the AFC Championship game.

Speaker 1 I thought the Ravens panicked, you know,

Speaker 1 the Bills not so much, no, the Bills, not so much. The Bills, I think, it was a couple plays, and and the few wrinkles that Spaggs put in, that Andy Reid put in, that's sometimes the difference.

Speaker 1 That's why the game is so much fun to watch because you just don't know what's going to happen. Which leads us to the thing, and I'm not trying to lead the witness here.

Speaker 1 I mean, you guys are interviewing me, but

Speaker 1 mistakes. Philly in the playoffs is plus 10.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chiefs are actually minus one, which doesn't mean anything, but it took the Chiefs all year to get a plus. Yeah.
Which, again, defies, but you didn't lose any games. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So Philly comes in, I would think, pretty darn confident that we're not going to make mistakes. No.
I mean, because they have not. I mean, by the way, they've lost one game since October 1st.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they've lost one.

Speaker 1 They have

Speaker 1 the Bucs game week four.

Speaker 1 September. September was the last time they lost a game that Jalen Hurst finished

Speaker 1 the whole game. Very good.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I mean, their defense

Speaker 1 lights out, and Vic Fan Dio's lights out.

Speaker 1 Do you want to give us your pick?

Speaker 1 Let me say the biggest thing in the game that obviously, duh, Saquon Barkley plays for the Eagles and he ran for 2,000 yards.

Speaker 10 Duh. Duh.

Speaker 1 Duh, duh, duh.

Speaker 1 By the way, in the playoffs, 205, one, you know, he averages whatever it is. It's

Speaker 1 6.7 yards a carry. The line, oh, he's hurt the center.
No problem. Now,

Speaker 1 I find this the most intriguing part of this game. Look, Steve Spagnol has been around a long time.
Andy's been around a long time. They all have a hand in the defensive game plan of those bags.

Speaker 1 You haven't seen game plans to show back to, not that we're going back to the 40s or the 50s and 60s with Jim Brown or even, you know, the running backs

Speaker 1 where, ooh, is it 2,000 or in Henry's case, 1,900-yard back?

Speaker 1 Been 10 years since Adrian Peterson. Like, somebody like, whoa.
Yeah. Okay, well, if their quarterback plays great, then God bless you.
You're going to beat us. Here's a game plan.

Speaker 1 It's not, oh, they have a good passing attack, too. They like to go to you.
The other team likes to go to you. I get it.

Speaker 1 But, okay, this is a different. How do you,

Speaker 1 and they play good running backs, they're running backs that are good, but not this good, but this good a line. What kind of game plan are we going to see?

Speaker 1 And the three of us aren't going to be smart in the way you guys might be. I'm not going to be smart enough on TV or I'll be at the game, but which you can at least see.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're playing this linebacker to come up and chip.

Speaker 1 I don't, during the game, I'm not that smart. So, but how does it turn out? Is there a number that you got to keep him to? I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 1 Like, when Buffalo beat Henry, he was under 90, right? 85, 86, 84, whatever it was. So, okay.

Speaker 1 But if he gets 120, which, by the way, is not a lot to ask, is that enough to tip it that we haven't made game plans like this? Yeah. Not with my team.

Speaker 1 I find that interesting as hell.

Speaker 6 I think it matters a lot how he gets gets that 120. So

Speaker 6 he breaks off a 70-yard run in the first quarter, scores a touchdown, kind of bottom him up a little bit after halftime. I think that, yeah, the Chiefs should be able to win a game like that.

Speaker 6 But if it's just constant, you know, he's breaking off nine, 10-yard runs.

Speaker 1 They're getting in the fourth and shorts and third and shorts when you know that it's going to work.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I also feel like if the Chiefs win and the defense shows up and there's, you know, a couple splash plays here and there like we've seen from the Chiefs, Spagnola should be a Hall of Famer as a coordinator.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 6 I know they don't do that for just coordinators. You have to be a head coach.

Speaker 6 But if you're the DC for a team that wins three Super Bowls in a row, in large part because you dialed the right things up at the right times, put that man in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Well, he's done it, you know, had Bill Belichick never been a head coach, which is a big if now, of course, but he already, you know, was on that path himself with the Giants game plans against Buffalo.

Speaker 1 You know, we're going to

Speaker 1 Thurman Thomas, they're not going to, we're going to hammer every receiver. And if Thurman Thomas gets 190 yards, which about he did in about 19 minutes or whenever they had the ball.
But

Speaker 1 I agree with that. I mean, that's a,

Speaker 1 why can't they? Punter never got in.

Speaker 1 Ray Guy was great.

Speaker 1 You know what? He's now the only one. Like there's, there's others.
There's others, yeah. And

Speaker 1 I agree with that. It's just different from a football.
Like, no one's really, because the running back is like, oh, we remembered that running backs are

Speaker 1 better, yeah. Right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been a really cool shift to watch because it's, you know, a lot of the two high safeties and being like, all right, you got to beat us with, you know, going down the field 10-yard drives.

Speaker 1 And now running backs are the light boxes. Running backs have had a resurgence this year.
It's been fun. Yeah.
I like it.

Speaker 1 And, of course, the Eagles love run blocking. Do they pass block right? Now, Hurts threw the ball great that last game.
He did. You know, and of course, a lot of short fields they had.

Speaker 1 I mean, so what?

Speaker 1 I went back to the Super Bowl two years ago. It doesn't make me a genius.
We can all look it up, right?

Speaker 1 You know, Hertz was, we remember, great then. He was incredible, yeah.
He was better than he's played since, right?

Speaker 1 So the receivers are the same three.

Speaker 1 One caught seven, and I'm going to forget whether that was the Slim Reaper or was A.J. Brandon.
It might have been Smith, Brown, and Goddard. I think it were

Speaker 1 7-6-6 catching.

Speaker 1 Suppose they do that again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 While Barkley runs for just a pedestrian 110 and Hertz runs a little, you know, let's see what happens. Now, what is Fangio? Okay.
So Kelsey caught a ton against Houston.

Speaker 1 If we just look at the playoffs, he had it off year, 97 catches. Just stop.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Houston, he caught a ton, right? Yeah. Buffalo, I think, two.
Yeah. They kind of took him away.
So where does this go? Is this six?

Speaker 1 And what are the six?

Speaker 1 And who then on the Chiefs

Speaker 1 beats them? And we know what the answer is going to be in a minute. But

Speaker 1 what receiver? They're kind of the way they've evolved this year, especially with Hollywood out, and he's back, but we'll see

Speaker 1 Rice out, and they were cultivating him. And if Kelsey isn't, oh my God, we can't cover him.
And I think Philly's pretty good at all levels.

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 1 So I'll give you a prop. Oh, I like it.

Speaker 1 Maybe not the first one because we were on

Speaker 1 VS last year. Yeah, last year, and he didn't score first, but he scored, which is a great, great.
He caught the ball. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I like where you're going. I like it.

Speaker 1 I love it. It would be plays inside

Speaker 1 red zone and maybe what they call the inner red zone, or there's another name for it.

Speaker 1 Okay, you could be at the 12 at all. You can get the whole line.

Speaker 1 DeAndre Hopkins. because because

Speaker 1 he's can he get open the way he used to on a 40 yard pattern maybe not he still could he's deandre hopkins still tall with big hands

Speaker 1 so what do we see down there yeah from the 12 from the seven we haven't seen it yet there's there's i think if that's the sort of game that the eagles are going to give them kind of you know, dink and dunk plays and the Chiefs are going to trust themselves not to turn it over.

Speaker 1 Okay, now we're at the seven.

Speaker 1 We're going to eat three guys on Kelsey. Yeah.
Duh.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 And then, well, that leaves Hopkins up here.

Speaker 1 That's my finders or any time to play. I love it.

Speaker 6 I love it. DeAndre Hopkins has been such a good player for such a long time, and he's played on some terrible teams.

Speaker 6 He's had some really bad years in his career just in terms of having to show up every day and still, you know, he's still always been a professional, but in some situations where it was was a little bit harder to do this has got to be like he is so focused on this game this is what he's worked for this is why he's he's done it all these years and he finally gets a chance he's a little bit older he can still catch the ball he can catch the hell out of the ball i like that pick a lot i also like a touchdown not no show a touchdown i love i love the pick um

Speaker 6 who would i also like go ahead on philly i like goddart love it he's underrated

Speaker 1 he's he he's leading their team in in receiving yards in these playoffs Whose birthday? He's just been an absolute beast.

Speaker 6 It's Saquon's birthday. Did you know that?

Speaker 1 On the Super Bowl. On the Super Bowl, yeah.

Speaker 4 And Cooper Degene.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 how did Howie Roseman draft the last few years? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Those two DBs

Speaker 1 kid from Toledo.

Speaker 1 Toledo. Mitchell, yeah.
Mitchell, and then

Speaker 1 Carter and the guys up front

Speaker 1 either two years ago or three.

Speaker 1 They've remade that defense. There's not a weak bond trade.

Speaker 1 But I like where you're going with Goddard, too.

Speaker 1 They were a better passing offense than they've been in December, you know, with him back, right? Yeah, I bet all his props the last three games is just do it again this season.

Speaker 6 He just kind of turned around down in New Orleans on that one breakaway run that he had, too. Yeah.

Speaker 6 That game was not in hand. They looked like they might lose that one, and the season was kind of shaky.
Sirian

Speaker 1 early in the year?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he was making some weird decisions.

Speaker 6 That was a moment that kind of shifted the entire season around for him.

Speaker 1 That's a good call, especially since

Speaker 1 they reminded me after they won there, you know, we never win in New Orleans. Yeah, I mean, you could look it up.
I'm sure they'd won a call, but he goes, we never win there.

Speaker 1 And the Saints had scored 91 points in two weeks.

Speaker 1 We barely remember that team, right?

Speaker 1 Then what happened? Well, they got in their own way.

Speaker 1 But that was a big win. Do you know that, how about this is an interesting one? I just thought of this.

Speaker 1 The first game of the year was Chiefs, right, in Baltimore, Thursday. Second game of the year was in Brazil, Philly.
They're still playing. Yep.

Speaker 1 They're still playing. Yeah.
That's a lot of football.

Speaker 1 A lot of football season.

Speaker 1 I like where you went

Speaker 1 on the touchdown of Goddard. I like that.
I like our. I'm betting all the Goddard props as well.
Yards, catches. It's going to be a big day for Goddard.
Big day. He's a big guy, good hands.
They,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 6 there's just a lot to see.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 the other thing I would say, back to Spaggs for a minute.

Speaker 1 So the blitz that he called, that then Josh had to throw,

Speaker 1 catchable, but he didn't, and it was a tough play, right? He didn't. Now, McDuffie didn't get through, but that allowed Carloftis to get through.

Speaker 1 Just like the one late in the Super Bowl regulation last year that McDuffie did come through. Purdy had to throw it in the dirt and they kicked a field goal.

Speaker 1 Other than, like, maybe go ahead by saying that the Chiefs only got a field goal at the end of the Senate in overtime. It's not the same blitz, but with it.
But when is it coming? Yeah.

Speaker 1 When is it coming? And what is it coming? Yeah. You know, Vic doesn't

Speaker 1 blitz as much. By the way, as soon as we say that,

Speaker 1 he might. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he sends one. So that's fine, because that front, so you send four in the one.

Speaker 1 That leaves him pretty good coverage.

Speaker 1 But the reason, okay. okay.

Speaker 1 So I think the Chiefs win because the guy I call, he likes this, the electric eel. That's Mahomes.
When he runs, he slithers. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's not a run. Oh, it's an RPO, and we're rolling out with Patrick.

Speaker 1 The two runs against San Francisco after we hurt the ankle.

Speaker 1 The run last year late. By the way, fourth and one.

Speaker 1 You're down by three. You get stopped.

Speaker 1 see you later congratulations 49ers yeah

Speaker 1 four yards it wasn't even it and he walked up to the line slowly and i asked him so i mean did it occur to you that you know like the game's over if for example you even bubble the snap and you're trying to run behind

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 he's like no i i i knew we had to convert it and we would like Really? Like, that's quite an answer. Yeah.
It'd be an answer like I would get from Tom or from Joe Montana. Yeah.

Speaker 10 So,

Speaker 1 you know, you look at stats, you know, Mahomes, six for 42, which is good, but win. And it's always, okay,

Speaker 1 you got a lot. A slither for those five extra yards.
Oh, it is a first down, even though it's third and 12. Yeah.
He got 14, not eight.

Speaker 1 And we can now punt him in the corner. Yeah.
It's just. It is.

Speaker 7 It's good.

Speaker 1 No one looks at him as his running because he's not Lamar. He's

Speaker 1 Name your guy, right? But when playoffs come, he makes those big plays. It's so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Now, that being said, Philly's going, you're not giving us our due because I think they have the least questions, maybe even less questions than the Chiefs of any team in football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, top to bottom, their roster lights out.

Speaker 1 So wait, what was the score? Well, score that I'm going to print, but for your show, I'm changing it. Because we need that.
Because we need the Schwanzery. Because you cannot be.
The one that always.

Speaker 1 I've told you, it's because when I was a kid and I I was watching, and you would do the scores, and I'd be like, What? Why? What is that score?

Speaker 1 And then I'd see the little arrow next to it, and that's like, oh, okay, point spreads. Okay, this makes sense.
So, like, I loved it.

Speaker 1 The Rams were playing Brett Farm. I had like 85, 82.
Yeah, but somebody covered and had the arrow.

Speaker 1 What is he, an idiot? 22, 80. Telling you.
A lot of points, okay? Yeah, right. I mean, don't get so literal.
Or

Speaker 1 three to two I used once

Speaker 1 a long time ago.

Speaker 1 Because why not? Right. A run a knife.

Speaker 1 So you'll see in print, because I wrote a thing, but it won't be out till Friday. This show will probably run before.
So you'll see 2724 Kansas City. You'll see it.
But for this show,

Speaker 1 we're going to go

Speaker 1 because if you have these squares, you're upset, really.

Speaker 1 2926, right? Same spread.

Speaker 1 You know, 2926 Chiefs. I somehow think that's a little high.
Yeah. But

Speaker 1 it could be upper 20s.

Speaker 1 How do we get to that? What do you guys think?

Speaker 6 How do we get to 29?

Speaker 1 Well, I hadn't got that far yet. I'm walking up here to do this show.
I said, I can't give them 27, 24. I can't do that.
These guys will run me out of the building.

Speaker 1 29. Go ahead.
Yeah, I have a future on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 I think my squares are 2 and 1, which are the worst numbers possible.

Speaker 1 I want 21. So maybe 32, 31 Eagles.
Yeah, anything. That's a weird score.
Well, that's a problem. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, how do you get to 29?

Speaker 1 There's got to be a safety in there somewhere. Yeah.
Right? I don't know where.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's 21 and then a two-point conversion.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You said 29, 26. 29, 26.
So if it's 29,

Speaker 1 yeah, you go for two ones, but that's four touchdowns. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 Elliott has missed some extra points in the Super Bowl. He's a very good kicker.

Speaker 1 A lot of the good kickers had bad years. Not only Tucker.
It started hot, and then it started to

Speaker 1 everyone started missing. But he's made all the field goals, but he's missed three extra.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's, and they have to go for

Speaker 1 something in there. Yeah, so it's 29-26 Chiefs.
It's maybe 26-21 Eagles. Chiefs score, and they say, hey, let's go up three instead of two.
Of course. 29-26.
Of course. There it is.

Speaker 1 Safety. Who would get the safety?

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Speaker 1 I have the best bet. I think I told you this.

Speaker 1 I don't bet anymore. I mean, a long time ago, that's 40 years.
But SWAMI is all for fun. True.
But

Speaker 1 first mortgage payment, I decided, no, you're not doing this anymore. That was early 80s.
You got a little baby and whatever. So, but I can still root at any rate.
I'm in the hotel, the Seahawks

Speaker 1 versus Denver in New York. It's like Thursday.

Speaker 1 And there happened to be a lot of Seahawks fans, and they know that I like them, and but I picked them for the Super Bowl that year. Or I mean, you know, and,

Speaker 1 oh, we know you like us, you know, that wearing the hats and great colors.

Speaker 1 Guy goes, well,

Speaker 1 I made two bets. They're kind of wild ones.
I might have told you guys this. I said, okay, well, what are you?

Speaker 1 Because at that point, you're not, 10 years ago, it's not as prevalent as all the things you could bet now, even though they existed, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 First score, a safety. Oh, and whatever those odds were, like,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 sure enough, the ball went over Peyton's head with 2-0. I had the Broncos in that game.
It was not fun.

Speaker 9 2-0.

Speaker 1 It was not fun.

Speaker 1 I didn't cheer with you. Cooffy hit a two-run homer right out of the gates for Seattle.

Speaker 1 Didn't cheer me. Then

Speaker 1 the other one was,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 He said,

Speaker 1 I also bet

Speaker 1 here's the odds on Denver. Maybe they scored, remember, they scored 600 and whatever points, right?

Speaker 1 To win by 20 or more, it could have been 21, but 20 or more. What were those odds? The team scored 600 points.

Speaker 1 I put money on the Seahawks to win by 20 or more. Ooh, now let me think about like your way.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me think how that could happen.

Speaker 1 Denver's going to get no points. I mean, you know, 14.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me think about this. They're going to return an interception.

Speaker 1 It could be a safety, which is only two.

Speaker 1 He goes, those are the two guys. I'd never met this guy.
He was in the lobby of a hotel. He had a Seahawks ski hat on.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he was happy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Safety and Seahawks by 20. It was a pretty big odds that they were going to roll the Broncos.

Speaker 4 That's a hell of a bad odd.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay, that always stuck in my mind. So, to your point, okay, how do we get to 29 or 26? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know. I'm going to bet the exact score now.
I have to. I have to.

Speaker 1 You'll see it.

Speaker 1 I gave 27, 20, but for this show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Huron Goddard for any score or 57.

Speaker 6 Any score, and I'm going to do Hopkins anytime touchdowns.

Speaker 4 I like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Tails.

Speaker 6 Tails is a big one. Also, here's Tails.

Speaker 1 Always.

Speaker 6 Here's a nice one I'm on. Always.

Speaker 1 It's like roulette.

Speaker 1 Just go with it.

Speaker 6 No doinks. It's a hot bet.
No kidding.

Speaker 10 Is there a

Speaker 6 two years ago?

Speaker 1 He bet no doinks.

Speaker 6 I bet no doinks in the first matchup between these two teams. Minus a thousand were the odds on it.
So

Speaker 6 I looked at it like an investment. I make 10% back if there's no doinks.

Speaker 6 There was a doink.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought so. There

Speaker 6 and it was it was bad uh but i'm simply just gonna bet more this year on no doinks the do theory it can't happen twice yeah lightning doesn't strike twice actually

Speaker 1 and they've already the chiefs have doinked yeah right yeah i mean so they should be good for no doinks i would think

Speaker 6 elliot uh have they doinked during the season i don't know what the the point you made about elliot you know he's the most accurate field goal kicker in the history of the postseason and he's the least accurate extra point kicker in the

Speaker 1 postseason. I think they're

Speaker 1 4-0 when he misses an extra point.

Speaker 1 Well, it means they're kicking extra points. Yeah, right.
See, that's how you read it.

Speaker 1 Okay, they scored a touchdown. Yeah, okay, so

Speaker 1 I didn't know. Well, I'm not surprising.
I mean, I'm not saying he's going to have a bad. We thought Moody, you know, rookie kicker,

Speaker 1 he's kicking 57 yards. So

Speaker 1 no doinks. No thing.

Speaker 1 Minus 1,000.

Speaker 6 Minus Minus 1,000. 10% return on investment.
I mean, try to find me better investment than that. Overnight.

Speaker 1 So you got to hit 10 in a row now.

Speaker 1 Say you've made money.

Speaker 1 That's one way to look at it. That's one way to look at it.

Speaker 1 I didn't think about it that way.

Speaker 6 I might be betting 10 times as much as I did the first time. So he's going to be all right.

Speaker 1 Oh, let it ride.

Speaker 1 Like a rule of the time. The first time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 I like that I found a system and a flaw in how gambling math is constructed, but in reality, I'm probably going to lose a lot of money.

Speaker 1 You're going to win this year. I like it.
I want to keep that in mind with Washington. Here's another stat.
It has nothing to do with

Speaker 1 my pick, because if Philly wins, I will not be surprised. I mean, I think the Chiefs are going to win because

Speaker 1 Coach Reed and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 It's not the magic thing. It's just when

Speaker 1 you've won this many ways and you're confident that we're going to, not all going to figure it out, then you've lost. But, like, no, something's going to happen.

Speaker 1 The kid,

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Remedio, returns a kick, you know, Tony two years ago with the punt. Like,

Speaker 1 you just this

Speaker 1 special team said something

Speaker 1 odd is going to happen. But here's an interesting number.
And again, this is no reflection on Nick Fangio, who's a

Speaker 1 Vic, Nick, Vic Fangio, who's a great defensive coordinator, and put his pelts up there

Speaker 1 against the Chiefs. 0-9.
Yeah. Now, six were head coach Denver.
Yep. They weren't good.
And the Miami teams, yeah, Miami last year, too. And he was

Speaker 1 brought in as the consultant in the Super Bowl two years ago, which I forgot. He wasn't the coordinator.
Again, this is not okay run because they're 0-9. That's nothing.
It's just...

Speaker 1 By the way, you think he's sick and tired of that? Yeah.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 1 maybe he does dial stuff that he doesn't change. He also dial at a point in the game that's just the right point.
One other thought.

Speaker 1 Don't you think that Fox or whoever's doing the game, which is Fox,

Speaker 1 you know, we've all invented the line, you know, for the first down line,

Speaker 1 but for the Eagles, you should only have it nine yards.

Speaker 1 Have a green line. Seriously.
Right?

Speaker 1 Just have it because third and fourth and one,

Speaker 1 they should already be on the line. Yeah, the tussle.
Yeah, it's absolutely true. Does that make sense? Yeah.
I don't know if we brought this up last time, but

Speaker 1 Chuba Hubbard, and you called him the Chuban Missile Crisis.

Speaker 9 That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Was that a moment where you're like, still got it? Like, yeah, the Schwamm still got it. Because I thought that.
Thank you. When I heard it, I was like, still got it.
I didn't do it to be.

Speaker 1 Again, American history, so there you go. Yes, there it is.
I was alive then when I was young. I was seven.
I mean, I didn't, you know, Kennedy, Castro. I mean, the Chuba Missile Crisis.
Quietly,

Speaker 1 the year before,

Speaker 1 but he didn't have the year like he did this year, you know, and then they won some games and they upset a couple teams late in the year so you could use it.

Speaker 1 It wasn't that I still had it, it was like it came to my head in like eight seconds. I don't know, not while I'm doing it live, but the Chuba, Chuba, it's right there.
The Chuba Missile Crisis.

Speaker 1 And that's the way they used to come when I was young and had a brain. You know, like at the age of 10,

Speaker 1 no, you you still have it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Everybody hits the green every now and then.

Speaker 1 I watched the interview with Bob Dylan. He was like, I don't have what I had when I was younger.
Like I can't just spit out songs like I used to. You can.
You can still find it. Well,

Speaker 1 not as much as you guys do on your ode to me. I mean, I'll tell you where

Speaker 1 I don't know if this was last year or this just happened this year. So I may have told you about it, but we didn't do it on the show.

Speaker 1 I don't read Twitter. I don't even know how to go, you know, whatever, but sometimes the stuff flows to me and I see it.

Speaker 1 I believe the fact that Chris Sperman is ripping off those two guys.

Speaker 1 I've read it just a few times.

Speaker 1 No, it's an ode. It's like, okay.

Speaker 1 The other one that we laugh at is we do Mount Rushmore season in the summer, and people,

Speaker 1 it's an ode to our fans who are the most loyal fans, but people saying, like, whenever anyone else does Mount Rushmore season, they're like, you're ripping off part of my take.

Speaker 1 It's like, guys, we didn't invent this. This is not, we're just doing something in the summer when you got nothing to talk about.
That's smart. That's smart.

Speaker 5 You still got it.

Speaker 1 It's our loyal fans. No, and

Speaker 1 they want your take on it, obviously. Mount Rushmore's

Speaker 1 not easy. Matter of fact, I went to Seattle camp this summer.
I'm close with the Seahawks. I like them.
They had a nice year. Coach McDonald will be good.
They're going to be

Speaker 1 okay. So

Speaker 1 they asked me for their in-house, and I think they put it on somewhere. I don't know.
Like, I really wasn't prepared. Like, who are the Mount Rushmore for the Seahawks?

Speaker 1 I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How about Mount Rainier? Can we go with Mount Rainier, please?

Speaker 1 Whoa, that gets, you know, and then I gave them Steve Largent, you know, Supreme Cortez Kennedy, and

Speaker 1 Big Walt Jones, and

Speaker 1 whoever else I, you know, whoever else I said. But

Speaker 1 no, that's yours. Take it.

Speaker 1 Even though,

Speaker 1 you know, they haven't put a new one up there since Teddy. Yeah.
Roosevelt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's some. Never mind.

Speaker 1 There's some rumbling that. Nah, never mind.
I don't want to want to go over there. I don't want to give it anything.
Jimmy Carter?

Speaker 6 Mount Rushmore. Maybe Jimmy Carter? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I still know somebody who's in now.

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore. Come on.

Speaker 12 What do

Speaker 6 you do fastest two minutes after the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 No. No, no, no, no.
I do primetime after the Super Bowl. So you'll see me, like we did championship on ESPN, the regular.

Speaker 1 And it's just interesting. People go, oh, my God.
No, I've been doing primetime for like six years now. Yeah, I do.
ESPN Plus, I understand it's $12.99 a month or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 I make no money off it.

Speaker 1 I watch it because I have ESPN Plus.

Speaker 1 I got to watch every game. Well, I appreciate it, but it's like, wow.
Oh, look who just walked in. Who do we got here? Another Super Bowl legend.
Well, I don't know if I'm going to go.

Speaker 1 Sit right there.

Speaker 6 He's a podcaster.

Speaker 2 Sit right there.

Speaker 1 He's a podcaster.

Speaker 1 Sit right there.

Speaker 1 Sit right there.

Speaker 1 Sit right there. At the diner.
Sit there. Jules, sit in the seat with the mic, Julian.

Speaker 1 What's up, man? What's happening? How you been? I get up, but this couch is damp. What's up, buddy? What's up? What's up, man? Good to see you wearing a shirt.
Sit right down.

Speaker 1 See, I'm overdressed for this group. He's a big-time AWO.
How good are you?

Speaker 1 On stage at the Boston Garden. I mean, you remember that? Yeah.
You and me, and Kenny, and Cloody.

Speaker 3 We had some good time in. Austin, that was.

Speaker 3 We were at the Espys.

Speaker 3 We were literally at the Espys in 2011, I believe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unknown Julian Edelwood.

Speaker 3 Unknown. We went out to dinner at, or we went post somewhere.
We went to the little diner over there in Mid Wiltshire.

Speaker 3 And I was telling him, literally, you got to go on this show. Part of my take, these guys pretty much designed a show off of you.

Speaker 1 And I went, no, you didn't. I'm dead.

Speaker 1 I was probably a little hammered going a little differently. Wait, this was what year? 2012?

Speaker 5 This is 2011.

Speaker 1 That was too early on because.

Speaker 9 2012 then.

Speaker 1 No, 2016 is when we started. Way off.
That is what I said.

Speaker 1 Listen, hold on. Wait, that was my off.

Speaker 1 Let me give you a broadcasting check because I can still do that for you.

Speaker 1 Receiving you got. Catches in Super Bowls you got.

Speaker 1 Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good story. Exactly.
If you tell me it's 2012, it's 2012.

Speaker 3 But it was 2016, I think.

Speaker 1 2016. That's exactly what you were saying to me earlier.

Speaker 1 Everett, so hey, if you

Speaker 1 fly out to LA, hey, what happened to the telephone? Can I just do it on the phone? I know, I know. But my kids are in L.A., so it'll happen.
It'll happen. And I'm kids with little grandsons.

Speaker 1 They're out there.

Speaker 6 It's crazy that you came in here, Jules, because Chris was just telling us a second ago how if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, far and away the best team of all time.

Speaker 1 No close second.

Speaker 1 They wanted to gold me into it. However, get your take on it.

Speaker 3 Look, this is something that's never been done. And if they go out and win this game, there's no reason you can't argue them to be the greatest football team of all time.

Speaker 3 Not only did they only lose two games this year, they're back-to-back Super Bowl champs. And I've been in the situation when you win one Super Bowl and you go back to the next one.

Speaker 3 You're America's most wanted every freaking week. Everyone is literally playing their best game against you.
Dog shit teams that aren't supposed to play good play good against you.

Speaker 3 This team is battle-tested. If this is a close game, I mean, they're going to be the best football team of all time, probably.

Speaker 1 Which is because they've won in various ways, right?

Speaker 3 Various ways.

Speaker 1 You know, yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, some of the Patriot teams won by 50 all the time, but when you win in the odd ways, it's the odd ways, but they've also won so much where you put yourself in a situation where you're not thinking about

Speaker 3 stats. You're thinking about what do we have to do to win this game?

Speaker 3 What do we have to do to have one more point than this team?

Speaker 3 The Rolex situation where the time's more important than the ball or the points, all these little situations that we've all heard through the Patriots things and all that.

Speaker 3 Now, like, you're watching it firsthand with the Kansas City Chiefs who dominate in all those situations. May not have an electric guy.

Speaker 3 May not have someone that's going to blow the top off, but they know how to execute when it's a high-pressure situation in those situations.

Speaker 1 It's the AFC championship game that we just watched with the Bills where we were sitting in in the gambling cave, being like, you know, it's third and nine.

Speaker 1 We're like, oh, are they going to kick a field goal here? Are they going to punt? And then I had to stop myself and be like, what am I talking about? They're going to convert this.

Speaker 4 I got to go, though.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do Gruden Guys. I'm sorry.
Oh, hell yes. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, he could wait for me.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, I don't want to steal yours. This is usually one thing.

Speaker 1 So, you were still kind of relatively unknown. It was Boston after the marathon thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. Bonnie.
Awful. Yeah.
Awful. And Boston Garden had what the Master Score Garden did like after, you know, 9-11.

Speaker 1 And it was one little, and all the great, you know, Aerosmith, Stephen Tyler, and I mean, James Taylor.

Speaker 9 Jack Scheef. Or no,

Speaker 4 New Kids on the Block were there.

Speaker 1 I mean, every Buffett even showed because he used John Denver.

Speaker 1 It was great. I mean, we could go on and on and on.
So they had four of us, sports, other than to intro. We introduced Carol King and James Taylor, which was James Taylor, too.

Speaker 1 So we had, here's where history came in for me. So Julian was up there.
Doug Fluti, Flutes,

Speaker 1 Brewski, Teddy. And I said, okay, they did all the Boston stuff.
Where am I going to go? I'm last.

Speaker 1 And I went back to the Revolutionary War. I said, you know,

Speaker 1 we didn't fire until we saw the white in their eyes. We didn't.
I mentioned history down the road in Rhode Island. Remember that? I remember like, yes,

Speaker 1 oh my God. And I went, you know, Paul Rivera, he did one lantern and he was off.
John Hancock was buried right down the street. I was all in the damn, I was in it.

Speaker 1 Great job.

Speaker 4 Yeah, right. I can't believe.

Speaker 1 I'm not shocked, pal. No way.

Speaker 1 All day. I just want to say hi.

Speaker 1 You did say it. I say you got to go.

Speaker 4 Check these guys out. All right, boys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. All right.
I'll see you.

Speaker 6 See, Jules.

Speaker 1 Man, what a fucking year for you.

Speaker 6 Pretty cool, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, I forgot that.

Speaker 6 I got to enjoy football season for

Speaker 1 the first time in the lives.

Speaker 1 I should have done. Yes.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's funny.

Speaker 1 You got an owner, you got a general manager, you got a coach, you got a quarterback, all at the same time. And I haven't had a bad thing.

Speaker 6 And then what?

Speaker 1 You saw it. Yeah.
And a franchise, it's your team, but a franchise that

Speaker 1 there's a lot to hang on,

Speaker 1 but not lately.

Speaker 1 And it's cool. For football,

Speaker 1 somebody asked me, what do you think the best coaching job of all the ones that were available this year? And I said, well, I'm not analyzing what their cap is. I'm not analyzing the draft numbers.

Speaker 1 So there might be different answers. But

Speaker 1 similar to yours, if you can hit in Chicago, if you can hit, you know. You guys know.
If you can hit, now that's a big hit.

Speaker 1 Every team in the division won 11 games. I know.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if you can hit there. So Washington was if you can hit.
Yeah. That was a great, that was great.

Speaker 6 I like to remind people, too, about Joe Gibbs, because I feel like people don't talk about the job Joe Gibbs did in the 80s and early 90s enough.

Speaker 6 The fact that he won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and three different running backs is crazy. I don't think we're ever going to see that again.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No, I don't see it.

Speaker 1 I mean, the only constant, there was a couple of changes in the Hawks, but the Hawks were. Yep.

Speaker 1 I mean, Russ Grimm and Bostic, and I mean, there were a couple of changes. Lachey was late wasn't on the first team.

Speaker 1 Right,

Speaker 1 but they were, but they're the, you're right. Three different quarterbacks.
It's pretty good. None of, you know, well, Doug, what he accomplished, just the big picture.

Speaker 1 I knew him a long time, but they're all good. I mean, Joe,

Speaker 1 Dyson, and then Mark Rippin, they were all good. It's not like, yeah, they won the Super Bowl, but they weren't.

Speaker 1 But they're not Hall of Fame. Doug could be for reasons why it's obvious, right? But

Speaker 1 Joe Gibbs is great. I mean, a great coach, and well, in this case, different quarterbacks, but you got one now.

Speaker 1 You know when I knew you had one? Actually, Dan Quinn and I have known each other a long time. I don't want to misrepresent that I talk to him all the time, but when we talk, we talk a while.

Speaker 1 And I said, your first game of the year,

Speaker 1 at Tampa, right? Was that the first game?

Speaker 10 He got hit hard second quarter, third quarter. I remember the helmet was off.

Speaker 1 He got hit hard, like welcome to the NFL type of hit.

Speaker 1 And a smile on his face.

Speaker 1 And I'm watching TV. We watch

Speaker 1 the eight games, so we don't even hear any of the audio. I'm just,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 He loves this. Not loves getting hit hard, but he loves this.
That was my,

Speaker 1 Dan goes, I remember that pretty clearly. That's the guy we saw in August.
That's the guy we saw, you know, in minicamp and, you know, whenever he signed in June or whatever. And you got somebody now.

Speaker 1 It's fun. isn't it fun

Speaker 1 the only thing you miss is

Speaker 6 the stands that used to move on rfk right so we just i think we got that land back i think we're going to develop that rfk too rfk junior is what some people are calling

Speaker 1 don't do that

Speaker 1 jason why don't we take these shots

Speaker 1 everybody different health yeah like

Speaker 6 but no i think they're going to get that land back and ideally it would be cool if there was a section of the stadium that was like on hydraulics like a

Speaker 6 That could bounce if you jumped on it. Like, hey, you're going to the springy part of the stadium.
Here's your waiver to sign. Make that thing shake again.

Speaker 1 They, I mean, those fans there, I was at a couple of those championship games, the 82

Speaker 1 and the 83, where they beat San Francisco, but lost the Super Wall. So, I mean, it was like, whoa, this is, I mean, I was young then covering that.
It was like, ding, look at these stands.

Speaker 1 They're moving and they're singing hail to the Redskins at the time. You know, it's like, this is good.
It's good. It's like Detroit.
It's good that they were good. And they'll be good next year.

Speaker 1 And Buffalo. So what's going to happen next year?

Speaker 1 Somehow, unless the Bills have a rough year, which I think they'll be better,

Speaker 1 they came farther than

Speaker 1 a lot of people thought in August.

Speaker 1 Trust me.

Speaker 1 Trust me.

Speaker 1 Somehow, they not be on the path of Kansas City in the playoffs. Like, I don't know how.
How do we get to 29? I don't know. I'm not going to predict.
But somehow, it won't, something,

Speaker 1 and they're not going to see him. Not that they couldn't beat him, but somehow.
That'd be nice. Remember that

Speaker 1 we said it here.

Speaker 1 I mean, they,

Speaker 1 you know, Tom Brady was, excuse me, Peyton was 0-2 against, it seemed like 0-10 against

Speaker 1 Manning was 0-0-10 against Brady in the playoffs, really 0-2.

Speaker 1 He ended up 3-2.

Speaker 1 Now it's 0-4, and it's not about who beats who, but anyway, we're digressing because we're talking football.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I do have a question I don't think we've ever asked you before. What is the best football game you've ever seen?

Speaker 1 So I've been fortunate enough. So, let me say that I don't go to that many because of all the Sunday shows.

Speaker 1 So, in the 80s and sometimes Monday night games, I would go until I was doing all the stuff.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 one, you know, I'm at all the Super Bowls, so we could pick any of like 10, right? So let's, you want to eliminate them

Speaker 1 for a moment while I do this? Sure.

Speaker 1 I was at the Monday night game that Marino beat the 85 Bears. Oh,

Speaker 1 because they were 12 and 0.

Speaker 1 And they were the Bears. I mean, in one year, they were Bears.
Get McMahon, and I don't have to tell you everything. I mean, they're in.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you my story from that game.

Speaker 1 So, I did the show Sunday. I mean, that's like, again, we're doing football.
We're not in a coal mine, right? But, you know, you go in the building about 7 and you leave it.

Speaker 1 12.30 at night, and you go home and then take a 6 o'clock plane to go to Miami because you're going to see the game of the year.

Speaker 1 I think it's still the highest-rated Monday night game of all time because the ratings were different then, anyway, right?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the orange it's in the orange bowl

Speaker 1 which say what you want rickety it's the orange bowl

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 and i go up to get i do my pre-game interviews including coach shula he always gave me one not sure why but he did like at 605 on sports center he would be there and

Speaker 1 i got up something to eat then came back down and i'm about 15 minutes before the game they started at nine o'clock eastern then so it was late but you know you come down, it's under the orange wall, it's like a light, like a carpenter's light, like hanging like a single light bulb as you walk under the street.

Speaker 1 It's like, are you kidding me? This is the

Speaker 1 and then you go out

Speaker 1 and the palm trees, it's early December, and you've come from Connecticut, it's nice,

Speaker 1 and there are the bears over there. But I come out on the dolphin side, and to me,

Speaker 1 Shula's jaw was out a little farther

Speaker 1 at 8:45. And I look down the bench.
I come out. And I see Larry Zonka.
I see Jim Kick.

Speaker 1 I see Paul Warfield. I see all these guys are friends of mine.
I see Larry Little

Speaker 1 and a couple others.

Speaker 1 Nick, I'm sure, was there Bonacani.

Speaker 1 And I went, oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, I see what this is. They're all here.
All those guys from the 72 Dolphins. The Bears are not winning this game.
I don't know how that's going to go. And they didn't.

Speaker 1 And that was really Marino's finest hour because he never went to this other than the Super Bowl that they lost to Montana. The other one I'll give because it might bring us back to this.

Speaker 1 I know you want to run out. And I mean, you know, you got other people, but

Speaker 1 it brings us to New Orleans.

Speaker 1 The game that reopened after Katrina. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they hadn't played in a year and a half, half, right? Katrina was a was a staging area for the homeless. I mean, they had 10,000 cots or whatever the number is.
I may have my facts wrong.

Speaker 1 And then they didn't even open for like three games. So it was like late September.
It was their first game. It's a Monday night game, which we had that year in 06.
It was Atlanta.

Speaker 1 And I remember, and it was unbelievable. People were hugging and crying in the stands like, you made it.
Like, you know, season tickets,

Speaker 1 you're friends with them, but you don't even know where they live like you don't know hey did you make it you don't know their phone number you're like a family at these games and we did we did the pick you know we did came out to everybody i was the last one steve young's on the set tommy etc um

Speaker 1 and they came to me and you could just feel it

Speaker 1 and what it meant to these people here in new orleans i'm tearing because sports still does that incredible yeah

Speaker 1 and i looked in the camera and i said the 78 78 Steelers would not win here tonight.

Speaker 1 No way. You can look that up.
And then Steve Gleason, and we know his story.

Speaker 1 And he's topical this week. He's still doing charity events.
He and his wife, Michelle.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to go to one tomorrow. And

Speaker 1 he blocked the kick. I've never heard any place so loud.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 And that's New Orleans.

Speaker 1 It reminds us of what a team can be to a community. It was a September game.

Speaker 1 It was

Speaker 1 those two as regular season. Super Bowl, we could debate for a whole show, and I wouldn't want to just throw a couple off.
You just say the catch, huh?

Speaker 6 You didn't just say the catch, you were there.

Speaker 1 I didn't get there yet. Yeah, I was going regular season.
Those are the two regular season games.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I'm tearing on that, too. I mean, it is.
I mean, really. The catch would be

Speaker 1 it kind of was at the beginning of my career. And as it turned out, the beginning of my association with the 49ers,

Speaker 1 which

Speaker 1 was one of the most, that and the Bills, the Niners of the 80s and the Bills of the 90s, I didn't get into it to be a jock sniffer, trust me. But I was their age.

Speaker 1 I picked them every week. I was doing the 2.30 in the morning show, which is 11.30 out there.

Speaker 1 I went to cover the championship game, little Chris Berman, I'm 20, whatever, six, seven years old, whatever.

Speaker 1 And one of the veterans, Charlie Young, said, oh, you're the Swami, right? Yeah. You've been picking us every week, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll I'll have everybody lined up for you. He had 11 players lined up to do an interview.

Speaker 1 From Joe Montana to,

Speaker 1 you know, Jack Reynolds was a middle linebacker then.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I was getting there. I was kind of eliminating the playoffs.
Oh, yeah. Got to give me a tissue.

Speaker 1 I cry at the Lions. No, no.
This is. The Leeson one is fantastic.

Speaker 1 By the way, Dwight died of ALS. Yeah, ALS.

Speaker 1 My mother-in-law passed away from ALS. So it's, yeah, I mean, it's a horrific disease.
But

Speaker 1 the point of the Saints one, which I love, is just, you're right. What sports mean for a city and a community,

Speaker 1 you can't get it anywhere else.

Speaker 1 And that's why we love this game. That's why we watch this game.

Speaker 3 It's beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the city's been through a lot. You know, they still, you know, it's still, you can see the effects.

Speaker 1 But they know how to throw a party. I mean, they even move Mardi Gras kind of, sort of, a week, right? Like, kind of, sorta.
I don't know. It's like a three-week party.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, Schwam, you're the best. Yep.
This is our favorite. I'm so happy this become a tradition.
Next year, we got to do it again.

Speaker 1 Next year will be four, I believe, in a row. Five, I think.
Five. Two inches.

Speaker 1 Five. One in your place.
Yeah. I love the cookbook, too.
Yep. And Donnie's going to be there.
Donnie, right? So, yeah, this is year four. It's seriously something we look forward to.
San Francisco.

Speaker 1 I mean, now you're. Yeah.
That's a home game. Yeah, that's cool.
Maybe we'll go to House of Prime Rib. Well, we could go anywhere.
We could go to the Buena Vista where they invented the Irish coffee.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Now, you talk about important

Speaker 1 things.

Speaker 1 But the Irish coffee is another thing, right? They didn't invent that in Ireland? Huh?

Speaker 6 The Irish coffee? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, at least in our... Look, they claim they invented it.

Speaker 6 You know, it's smart, yeah.

Speaker 1 Louis Lunch in New Haven claims they invented the hamburger, and we're going with it. Okay.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 listen, I'm proud of what you guys have stood for. I don't want to come and blow smoke, you know, but you know that this is not.

Speaker 1 you guys love football. That makes it that's 80% of the battle before you even open up your mouth on any of your shows.
You know pro football. That's another now.
I'm yogi.

Speaker 1 I'm going to run out of the percentages. You know, that 90% of the game is mental, the other half is physical.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you love pro football. You know pro football, and you're inquisitive about pro football, but you have opinions that are, hmm.

Speaker 1 Okay, I get how you got there. Even if I disagree.
And,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 that's hard to convince people that that's what you're about until they listen all the time.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we love you. You're going to ever do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we really hope you understand how much you mean to us and how much this means to us. Because

Speaker 1 we've done a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 We've been doing the show for nine years, and there's a lot of pinch-me things, but I think this is at the top of the list: hey, every year we get to sit down with the schwam right before the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It's awesome. I wouldn't miss it for the world because it

Speaker 1 Le Grand Chat and Le Roconteur. And it was too, and we're in New Orleans, so we can speak a little bit.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we got a little friends.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think Jameis asked us the other day, or somebody that we had on the show was like, what's the coolest thing that you guys get to do?

Speaker 6 And I was like, you know what is like the most surreal moment that I think I've ever had, maybe the happiest that I've had related to this show?

Speaker 6 When you texted me in Big Cat at the start of football season this year, when I woke up in the morning, to a text from Chris Berman wishing me a happy football season.

Speaker 6 I was like, well, I think I'm dead, and I think that this is a simulation or something.

Speaker 5 No, I'm not happy with it.

Speaker 1 I finally learned 21st-century technology. That's what it meant.
Text two people at the same time. Text, yeah, but only because you guys had texted me together.

Speaker 1 There wasn't no time to actually do that. Damn, I'm not texting each one of these freaking guys.

Speaker 1 That's too much work. It's 7:30 a.m.
Eastern. That's why you woke up.

Speaker 1 Thanks so much. I'm glad you made time for me.
We've had all different locales.

Speaker 1 We're moving. The next, if you go for the week, which you probably will

Speaker 1 do San Francisco. So we've done Connecticut.
We've done the Midwest, like both North and South, Chicago and New Orleans. We'll go to San Francisco.

Speaker 1 It'd be San Francisco. We're truly global.

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, then when Goodell puts the Super Bowl in London, we'll do it over there.

Speaker 1 I don't even know. I don't want to even.
You know what? Don't even.

Speaker 1 I want to put something out there because this show can maybe help.

Speaker 1 So these international games, which are fine, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 I said it on the air, so it's not.

Speaker 1 And I don't know when they're scheduled yet, but Veterans Day weekend, they played in Germany for two years in a row. This year it's in the Olympic Stadium, which

Speaker 1 I know with the background, like

Speaker 1 NFL, do me a favor. Any other week.
Germany's great. They're a great ally.
It has nothing to do with it. Not Veterans Veterans Day weekend.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Before you make the schedule, listen to pardon my take. Yes.

Speaker 1 I said it on Fastest Three Minutes that night. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Ah, Veterans Day in Germany. Hmm.

Speaker 1 You can't misquote me, but you know what I meant. Right.
Like, don't do it. Play any other week.
I'm good.

Speaker 1 Bratworth's for everybody. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 4 October fest.

Speaker 1 No, sure. I mean, there's plenty of things we could do.

Speaker 1 Vieter Schnitzel, they're free, you know, but

Speaker 1 not the veterans say

Speaker 1 you would think I could get that done by speaking on ESPN. This is how I got it done.
We're gonna get it done. I think we're having your show.

Speaker 1 All right, thanks so much.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 wrapping up super bowl week fire fests henry danny

Speaker 6 what's your fire fest uh my fire fest we've you know been talking a lot about getting older and and

Speaker 6 you know some some some thoughts and stuff and yeah i've just as i've gotten older, are you golfing today?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 12 That's what I asked him earlier.

Speaker 6 He's like, dress for the job you want, not the job you have. You have golf today.
I don't have golf today. This is a golf outfit.
That's a golf outfit.

Speaker 6 Sweatpants. Hank, question.

Speaker 6 What does your shirt say? A polo shirt. Tailor-made.
Kith.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. Okay.
You're golfing today. It's fine.
It's fine. Can a guy not wear a polo?

Speaker 6 Where are you playing? I'm not playing. Did you bring your sticks?

Speaker 10 No. What track are you at today?

Speaker 1 No. I got invited to play.

Speaker 6 I just said no. I got to work.
Wow.

Speaker 1 That's progress. Yeah.

Speaker 6 But anyway, back to my Fire Fest. I have just come to the realization in the past year, specifically the last few months, that

Speaker 6 I may

Speaker 6 have some irrational confidence about my athletic ability.

Speaker 6 And I may not be the athlete that I am in my head.

Speaker 6 Last night we did a skills challenge.

Speaker 6 And I was quarterback.

Speaker 1 That's a sound guy. Shout out Ian.

Speaker 5 Last night we did that.

Speaker 1 He's been wearing a train conductor hat all week. Yeah,

Speaker 6 I mean, he's going to have

Speaker 6 our actual Andlee Super Bowl tradition to get our sound guy on the mic. Yeah, the train conductor hat is wild.
It is. You walk in the room and you're like, am I at a Diddy party?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I kind of like it. It's just like something different.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 6 I got tasked with being the quarterback. I had to throw to different quarterbacks.
And I put my hand up. I said, I can be QB, which is where the rationale is.

Speaker 6 You got tasked himself with being quarterbacks. We were talking about, you know, there were five different positions.

Speaker 6 Our coach, our leader, was assigned with putting people in different spots. And I said, whatever you need, coach.
And then I said, I can throw. I said, I can throw.

Speaker 6 I thought that I could, you know, again, in my head, I was like, I'm an athlete. I can do anything.
I'm great at everything. Need me to be a quarterback? I can be a quarterback.
Easy.

Speaker 1 But you can't.

Speaker 6 That's literally my fire. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't.

Speaker 6 I'm not. I'm not.
So would you say that it's not a God-gifted, natural athlete?

Speaker 1 If you were a coach

Speaker 1 and you had one of your players be like stepping up being like i can be the qb

Speaker 1 i mean the coach has to be like hey that guy wants the ball like let's give him a shot

Speaker 6 not hey that guy doesn't know how to throw yeah no i'm no no blame i'm putting all the hand up hand up hank's been consistent about that yeah sounds like it's just all blame on yourself yeah blame on myself and you know going back to the dunking thing it's kind of the same thing like i just maybe maybe

Speaker 6 i've started to accept the fact that maybe not, the jury is not out yet. On the dunking? Just in general athletic ability.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 I may not be as God-gifted, athletic, genetic freak as I thought I was. You got a hole in one in like three swings the other day.
True.

Speaker 1 Five, but yeah. Three for 57 on throws was

Speaker 1 it. It was windy.

Speaker 6 The balls were wet.

Speaker 6 But yeah, it was all on me. No excuses.
How big are your hands? I got Pedro Martinez fingers. Tiny hands? No.

Speaker 6 Somebody said you had tiny hands.

Speaker 14 Yeah, you did.

Speaker 14 I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 So next time we get in a situation like that. Do it.
Do it. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 he's got you beat.

Speaker 6 Well, he's also like.

Speaker 1 So next time we are forced into a situation like this and it's like, hey, can you throw a football?

Speaker 4 What will your answer be?

Speaker 6 I say whatever you need me to do.

Speaker 7 Okay. So

Speaker 1 I guess that is different than what you said on Wednesday night when you said, I can quarterback.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I said, I can quarterback. I can jump.
I can run.

Speaker 6 I probably couldn't do any of those things.

Speaker 1 No, actually, I think the only thing you volunteered for was quarterback.

Speaker 6 If that's how you remember it, then that would be. Although I have the video.

Speaker 1 This is crazy.

Speaker 9 Typically, it's not crazy.

Speaker 6 Big hats clipped out specific parts and removed context

Speaker 6 in enough situations. And that's fine.
If the fat performs bad, the quarterback is the reason why.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it goes quarterback one, then coach. Listen to that.
That's usually where the blood is.

Speaker 1 the beginning of this clip is me asking max if he could quarterback i said i i said no okay yeah max said no

Speaker 1 can you throw what you got tight hand

Speaker 9 i'm not gonna tie him

Speaker 1 i can see i can tie him the most

Speaker 1 you can throw what they're doing i can kick see that was hank saying i can see i can tie him the most

Speaker 6 or it was me saying if you need me

Speaker 1 i can throw he says i can throw that's hard static uh shut up pete

Speaker 6 but no again i'm not blaming anyone. I'm blaming myself.

Speaker 6 And yeah, when you go three for 57 in front of the world and in front of John Gruton, who's just been roasting me ever since for putting up that performance at Pan American Stadium, it's tough.

Speaker 6 Joe Burrow came in today, and he was, first thing John Gruton

Speaker 6 said to Joe Burrow was, we got this guy Hank over here. He went three for 57 last Pan American Stadium.

Speaker 1 What can we do to help him?

Speaker 6 That was tough. Can I just say something? You do a very good John Gruden.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You got me feeling nicey.

Speaker 1 All right, so where are we going forward, though, from here? Is it just like...

Speaker 6 I'm just not going to make these claims that I can do things that my body can't.

Speaker 6 I'm not going to cash checks that my body can't write.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cool.

Speaker 6 Hank, it is growth because in the past you would say, well, I'm just not going to do any work. No, in the past.

Speaker 1 Because everything I do is wrong.

Speaker 6 In the past, I would be like, Big cast, the coach, he's got to know me better and know that if I can be quarterback, he should have evaluated my talent and known that i'm not capable of doing that but

Speaker 6 in the past that's what i would have said can i now i'm just saying hand wait when you say in the past you mean like 15 minutes ago

Speaker 1 can i do my fire fest real quick off that one yeah my firefest

Speaker 1 goes second but if you want yeah i know but my fire fest is that um i look up to hank and he's you know one of the younger members of pardon my take and uh i look up to him to be like a good athlete and i just have to come to the realization i'm just a better athlete than him at everything that's sad It is.

Speaker 6 That's a tough place to be.

Speaker 1 If you could have made five of me on that field, and I don't think I'm a good athlete, so I have at least a humble thought to it. And then I go out there and I just stun people.

Speaker 1 But the problem is I have to just realize like... If Hank thinks he can do something better than me, I got to remind myself, like, no, he can't.

Speaker 6 That's a big firefest for you because if you care about somebody so much and you believe in someone that much, and then they just disappoint you over and over and over and over and over and over again, then it's like when your parents tell you, like, I'm not mad, but I am disappointed, that's the worst punishment of all.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 1 I was like, I'll be coaching, man.

Speaker 6 It's like coaching. You know, that's where it's like, yeah, like, hand up, hand up.

Speaker 1 Hank just sucks at all sports, and I'm better than him at it. Like, hand up.

Speaker 6 But yeah, you still put Maximum.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good accountability in the number one position. Well, you, you, you, that was, I'll tell you what, that was my fire res.

Speaker 1 That was the last time I'll take Hank's advice on his own athletic ability. Wasn't it?

Speaker 6 It was, again, whatever. Hand up on me.
No, hand up.

Speaker 1 Old me.

Speaker 6 Old me would have been like, hand up. Hey, Cat.
Did you ask me if I could throw and I I said yes, or did I say that? I just played the clue.

Speaker 1 You did, you said

Speaker 1 Max if he could throw, and then you said, and then you butted in. You said, I can throw, or you said, Can you throw?

Speaker 1 I can throw to Max. Did you say, Can you throw? I said, I can throw.
No, no, no. But Old Meyer,

Speaker 1 yeah, let's play the camera.

Speaker 1 Old me would want to watch it. Watch it again.
I'm looking at Max and I'm saying, can you throw?

Speaker 1 I'm looking at Max.

Speaker 6 Wait,

Speaker 1 I could throw, is what you said. I physically throw.
I could. Physically, I was able to throw.

Speaker 6 It sounds like, Big Cat, you're mad at old Hank.

Speaker 1 No, I'm mad at myself.

Speaker 6 What about present-day Hank?

Speaker 1 I'm mad at present-day Hank as well, because present-day Hank, like I said, it hurts to know that someone I look up to and I'm like, I think he can do everything. Turns out he can't do anything.

Speaker 1 So I'm mad at myself.

Speaker 5 Hand up, accountability. I'm just better than Hank at everything.

Speaker 1 Hand up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Hand up.

Speaker 6 I think you should be proud of. Your team seems like a fully dysfunctional front office.

Speaker 1 No, not all the players. No, no, no.

Speaker 6 It sounds like it's chaos from the team.

Speaker 1 When it comes to a team, it's all

Speaker 6 in the players. There's nothing that the coach could do separately, and it's players.
Yeah. And the players let the coach down.

Speaker 6 Don't the coaches put players in position to succeed? No, not when the players are.

Speaker 1 No, when the players decide when position they put when the players demand that they can throw and they can't decide what the players have to think, okay, Coach, I want to play wide receiver today and the coach just has to listen.

Speaker 1 The problem is, if I could clone myself and put myself in every position, we'd be in a better spot because I should have kicked and thrown, but Hank had to do something and he stinks at everything.

Speaker 1 So, what are you supposed to do?

Speaker 6 Hank, I have a question. Why didn't you volunteer for high jump or something? I did.

Speaker 5 I literally was saying what you were doing. Like, you're training on jumping.

Speaker 6 No, yes, I learned it.

Speaker 1 You volunteered.

Speaker 1 Old me was saying whatever. You bring me in, coach.
I can throw. I can throw.

Speaker 10 I could. No.

Speaker 14 I thought I could.

Speaker 1 I started two for two.

Speaker 6 What happened after? It got really windy. Yeah.
And the balls were wet.

Speaker 1 Also, my firefest. No, excuses.
I'm just every Super Bowl week, it hits me a little harder.

Speaker 5 I'm just old.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But still a better athlete than Hank.

Speaker 12 So kind of reverse Fire Fest on that one.

Speaker 6 Never forget that two for two, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.
It was electric.

Speaker 1 I was.

Speaker 6 Japan started off World War II pretty hot, too.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And you just missed everything.

Speaker 6 They'll always have one.

Speaker 1 You missed everything. You know what?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. No.

Speaker 6 All that stuff, two for two.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right, PFT.

Speaker 6 Yeah, my Fire Fest is, I've gumboed myself to death.

Speaker 6 I realized last night at dinner,

Speaker 6 I do love, I used to love gumbo.

Speaker 6 I don't really want to have any more gumbo. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm going to.

Speaker 6 And I'm going to try to enjoy it, but right after this. After, yeah, for lunch, I'm about to have another gumbo.

Speaker 6 But my body is like all sodium right now. I'm bloated.
I haven't pooped in three days, which is the exact opposite of what people thought was going to happen. Yeah.
All this gumbo.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I'm getting, I have to have gumbo for lunch, and then I have to have gumbo for dinner, but then I have to sneak a gumbo in in between.

Speaker 1 How many are you at?

Speaker 6 I'm at 10. So the middle gumbo.

Speaker 1 You got five more?

Speaker 6 The middle gumbo is pre-gumb.

Speaker 1 Sunday night one was a big miss. We went out to dinner and there was no gumbo.

Speaker 5 I'm going to pre-gumbled it.

Speaker 6 Before dinner tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was bad. You couldn't, we knew in the moment, too.
We're like, this is a big missed opportunity for gumbo. It was huge.

Speaker 6 They had a gumbo-like dish on the meal. That was basically you got stopped on the goal line in the first quarter and it was like, it's hard to recover.
But guess what? It's not over, Hank.

Speaker 6 I got the rest of the day today. I got all day tomorrow.

Speaker 6 Gumbo is delicious, but last night at dinner, I was just looking at the menu and my body needed, it was craving the color green. I needed something.
I needed a green.

Speaker 6 And I don't know if I'm getting scurvy, probably,

Speaker 6 but yeah, it's been a lot of gumbo. I got a solution for you.

Speaker 1 You could do what some people in this room do, and you can be like, I can eat gumbo, and then when you can't eat gumbo, you can just blame everyone else.

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, you guys did when I when I said old PFT probably would have done that at dinner the other night, I put my hand up and I said, I've got a good place that has gumbo.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and then we got there, and there was absolutely no gumbo.

Speaker 6 But I started the dinner out hot by saying, I've got a place, yeah, and then after that, it all fell apart. I do take accountability for that, that's huge, Yeah.
But I feel like I'm just sweating rue.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I last night I went and grabbed pizza after our competition.

Speaker 1 Feeny pizza has a pop-up, and our friend Sean Feeney, great pizza, but I was talking to him and he was like, oh, PFT, we got to get PFT by here. And I was like, ah, he's only eating gumbo.

Speaker 1 And he looked at me like, what? That's the other thing. There's so much good food in New Orleans.

Speaker 6 Eitoufe, jambalaya, po-boys. Yeah.
And as much as I want to have it, I just, there's no room for non-gumbo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Your schedule is full of gumbo.

Speaker 6 It's gumbo. Yeah.
You're running a marathon and you just, you have the runs. Like, you got it, but you got to finish.
Well, I don't have the runs. No, I know, but

Speaker 6 this shouldn't happen. That's what I'm also.
You're chafing. You're bleeding from your thighs.
I'm also concerned about that aspect. That's what the finish line is.

Speaker 6 I'm actually bleeding from my chest a little bit from the waxing, but the gumbo blocking me up is a side effect that should not be happening. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's going to be the reverse.

Speaker 6 It's just my body. being like, hey, dude, stop.
Whatever you're doing, stop this.

Speaker 1 It should be the exact reverse. It should be like saying, like, I can throw when you really should have said, I can't throw.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I would kill for diarrhea right now.

Speaker 6 Yeah, like, old me would be upset that, like, you, like, you want players, don't you want players that, like, want to compete? Yeah, but I do realize that right now, like, you could quit.

Speaker 6 No, I couldn't. I can't.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 6 You got, like, you don't, like, just because you get put in a situation where you might not excel. See, the difference is.
The difference, though, is even though.

Speaker 6 Old me would be upset at the lack of accountability by the coach, but

Speaker 1 he knows.

Speaker 6 I put myself, but exactly. You know what else I'm going to do?

Speaker 6 Even though I put myself in a bad situation, I'm going to finish it and I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to win. I don't blame anyone.

Speaker 6 No, and I'm going to win. I did finish it.

Speaker 1 You blamed everyone.

Speaker 6 Embracing the suck. Cleats in the grass, man in the arena.
I'm going to finish the week. I'm going to do what I said I was going to do.
I'm going to eat 15 gumbos. Come hell or high water.

Speaker 6 I'm going to go 15 for 15 on gumbo's, which is a pretty damn good percentage. Yeah, it is.
I said I was going to throw, and I had every target I needed to hit.

Speaker 9 57 throws.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 11 Mine was kind of like that.

Speaker 11 I need some greens.

Speaker 1 I've eaten like shit.

Speaker 11 And I'm still here for four more days.

Speaker 1 Oh, I have to go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 No,

Speaker 6 I'm excited for that.

Speaker 11 I'm talking about

Speaker 11 my diet that I've been here.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go to the Super Bowl this weekend.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm going to say Goberts to a thousand people on the street. All right.
All right. Show up, Max.
All right, fine.

Speaker 11 I'm excited for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 Big diet

Speaker 1 starts Tuesday.

Speaker 6 Why don't they make just a pill for? It's Fire Fest.

Speaker 23 You got to fucking talk about shit that's going on.

Speaker 1 What do you want me to say?

Speaker 1 Super Bowl week.

Speaker 6 They should make a pill for guys like Max that just has a salad inside the pill.

Speaker 11 No, I like salads. I'm going to have a salad for the future.

Speaker 1 If you're experiencing a full New Orleans, when we came here for the Final Four, we were here for like six days.

Speaker 1 You get to a point in New Orleans because the food is so good and the drinks and everything that you just feel like a sausage on a grill and you need someone to come poke you with a fork.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's exactly what I need.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's get our audio guy here. Go sit in meme seat.
Sit in meme seat. We'll flip the camera around.
So this is Ian.

Speaker 7 Ian is going to be a trained conductor hat.

Speaker 6 Sit right there. Sit right there.
You sit right there. At the desk.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 I think I'm sitting there. Oh, okay.
Yeah. All right.
Come sit here. Sit here.

Speaker 1 I didn't realize this was happening right now. I was kidding.
I have my food on my body. That's all right.
That's all right. So this is Ian.

Speaker 1 He's our audio guy this week. He spent the whole week with us, also part-time train conductor.

Speaker 1 What would you, how would you describe it? You basically got to sit in this room through all the interviews, through the bickering, through the ball busting.

Speaker 1 How would you grade our operation? I thought you killed it.

Speaker 27 I especially,

Speaker 1 what was the best one so far? I think,

Speaker 1 hmm. We got Berman.
Who was before Berman? I guess it was Oshkosh Bagosh. Yeah, it used to be like workwear.

Speaker 7 I thought that was for kids.

Speaker 1 No, it's like it's like coveralls. Oh, okay.
That's sick.

Speaker 6 They make full-size trains, too. Oh, I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sorry. I just got

Speaker 1 before Berman? Jason Kelsey. That was amazing.

Speaker 12 That was like

Speaker 27 front to back. We hit it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 What about off-camera? What's your thing about the operation, like off-camera?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the... Well, I mean, my phone went off in the middle of this one, so probably this one.

Speaker 5 I like that accountability. Yeah, that's big time accountability.

Speaker 27 It's my parking.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Nice, nice. But yeah, what do you think about like, you saw some fights, some arguments, some some disagreements.
Yeah, you were being kind of mean to him about the throwing? Yeah.

Speaker 4 But he said he could throw.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was probably a mistake.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 You're really going in on him. Yeah, but he, but because he came in here coming in on me.
Yeah, I didn't hear that part.

Speaker 1 I would play a clip for you where he said he could throw.

Speaker 1 I heard that. I heard that.
Yeah, yeah. And he can't throw.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 The problem is you didn't see him try to throw.

Speaker 1 If you had seen how bad it was, you would be like, I wasn't mean enough to go. I heard it was like 300.
He was over weird throwing off. Yeah, over 55.
So three. Two for two.
Sorry, two for two.

Speaker 1 I don't think I was mean enough because he was that bad. That's pretty bad.
Yank said earlier, we'll always have Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 5 I didn't think that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 Disgusting. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Max is my boss, so I can't really. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 I can't really say that.

Speaker 6 I agree with Max's performance as a boss.

Speaker 1 No, Max is the man. All right, well, thank you so much, man.
We appreciate it. I also like you

Speaker 1 every now and then. Can you want y'all to take me to the combine?

Speaker 23 Okay.

Speaker 1 Come on, let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's keep the party going.

Speaker 6 Do you have any spicy sports takes?

Speaker 1 You're going to sound guy here.

Speaker 27 I was hoping y'all would have Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 20 And, you know, I was like, maybe I'll finally get to meet Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 1 So I was a little disappointed by that. Yeah.

Speaker 27 So, Marshawn, if you're listening, we should definitely be best friends.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's awesome.
You got a pick for the game?

Speaker 23 Yeah, Seahawks Super Bowl future for next year.

Speaker 27 Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 You probably got 30 to 1 odds right now. I would hammer it.
All right.

Speaker 6 Gino, you're a Gino Gino guy. All right.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you so much, and appreciate it, man. My pleasure.
Great week. Great week.
Thanks for having me. Really appreciate you.
Cheers, guys. That was a blast.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's kick it to ourselves for a lot of people.
I'd say the Pearl Arbor thing.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next show will be either Happy Max or Sad Max. Let's finish with numbers.
59. 40.

Speaker 1 11. Two.

Speaker 1 Three. I'll go three.

Speaker 6 Good guess, PM. Mimi's, remember when you said that you took it for Jalen Hurts? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was your guess?

Speaker 12 It's Birds Week.

Speaker 1 What was your guess last Jalen Hurts? None? 77. All right, I'll go 77.

Speaker 6 There's a giant fathead of him wearing number one behind you.

Speaker 11 His rookie year, he was number two.

Speaker 1 I'll go 77.

Speaker 11 Hank, what was yours? 40.

Speaker 1 Two for PFT.

Speaker 1 What was yours, memes?

Speaker 20 59. So you were both 59.

Speaker 1 23. Hengelle.
Love you guys.