Jason Kelce, Chris Berman, Super Bowl 59, NBA Trade Deadline + Fyre Fest From New Orleans

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Let's just say there were tears. There were tears.
We're going to talk a little NBA. A very unexpected source of tears.
Yes. We're going to talk some NBA trade deadline.
We're going to talk Super Bowl preview, our favorite props, how Max is feeling going into the big game. And then we have Firefest ending Super Bowl 59 week.
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Today is Friday, February 7th, and it's Max Week.

Max Week.

The finale of Max Week.

We're finally here.

Super Bowl 59.

Max,

how you feeling?

Big guy? I feel good.

I don't feel too much different from

Monday until now.

I still feel confident. I'm still scared of

Patrick Mahomes. I still think we're going to win the

football game. Yeah?

Yeah.

Have you – when are you going to ramp up the partying?

What a noise.

It's a tough question.

It sounds like a bird.

No.

I still have to edit tonight.

So I'll probably dip my toes in tonight, and then tomorrow –

It's on.

Tomorrow it's full go.

It's full go.

I love logo from –

I don headed tonight. So I'll probably dip my toes in tonight.
And then tomorrow, tomorrow, it's full go. It's full go.
Tomorrow, it's full go. From Friday morning to Sunday night.
Friday afternoon. Monday afternoon.
Hopefully, until Monday morning. Hopefully, until Tuesday.
Hopefully, the parade. What if Lane Johnson gets you in a parade? I mean, that's not going to happen.
Why not? Max did. Big Dom could get you in a parade.
Maybe Big Dom. gonna happen why not max did all right big dom could get you in a parade big maybe big dom i mean this isn't crazy i'm just thinking of i'm just comparing it to glane johnson doesn't like me like missoula likes like tank big dom but big dom does love big dom is big dom is my paisan do you think it's uh a little like you're jinxing a little, thinking about the parade? You asked me a question.
I answered the question. I thought I was thinking about the parade.
But you were thinking about the parade. Not until you asked me the question.
Right, but you eventually, like you just started thinking about the parade. I hadn't, it literally hadn't crossed my mind until you said that.
What's your locked level? Locked? I need to get more locked. Yeah, you are locked.
My brain has been slipping this week have you broken down film do you have keys to the game win yeah zero you want to you want to this is brutal you want to know how locked in i am how what were my keys to the game against commanders i think it was uh winning what what happened you won you won what are my keys to the game against the Commanders? I think it was winning. What happened? You won.
You won. What are my keys to the game for the Super Bowl? Same game plan.
Yeah. The game plan is to win.
Don't you think the Chiefs know that game plan now? Like, the blueprint's out. You can't stop winning.
The Commanders are not the Chiefs. I want you to tell me how you stopped winning.
Because if the Chiefs have been watching the film, they know what your keys to the game are from last week, and they can counter that. That's a great point.
They can win harder. By the way, PFT, you look great.
I should have said that. I should have said that to start.
I feel great, yeah. You look incredible.
I went out, picked up some new threads. I feel pretty good about it.
I got some new shoes. Apparently, you don't wear socks with shoes anymore, so I'm not wearing socks.
Okay. And then socks are out.
Plaid pants. Then I got every country in the world.
I have a world map, which our sound guy very astutely pointed out.

Like, this is just the country equivalent of my NFL shirt.

Yes.

That I was wearing.

Yes.

He was right on the money.

And the Kangol hat.

And the Kangol hat.

The Kangol hat is awesome.

It does tie it all together.

I got in here and Hank instantly got jealous.

Oh.

You could feel. Moved sour immediately.
Yeah. No, I just said to you, look, what time is your tea time? That's very funny.
Well, I mean, you're still... You also made fun of Hank.
You were like, you're dressed like a five-year-old. He is dressed like a five-year-old.
He's wearing off-white shoes and a kith shirt. So it's like...
He's dressed like a five-year-old. Kith is cool.
It was you trying to flex on him, but he's dressed significantly cooler than you. Not significantly cooler than you.
I would say Hank is dressed cooler. PFT is a hundred times swaggier.
Hank looks like a drug dealer in 1989. That's what he looks like.
I look like a... No, I don't think so, PFT.
Okay, I just realized what I said. Fair point, Hank.
He looks like a drug dealer in 2025 scarface yeah you should be in scarface as like yeah that's not a bad thing but like 1989 whatever you're stealing all the swag how about this we both look listen for the very first time i went out and i i spent money on clothes today for the low cost three thousand dollars put this outfit together and I feel good about it.

I don't,

I think you're serious.

I am serious.

No way.

Those shoes might be expensive.

Max asked me what kind of shoes these are.

I said Brown Brown.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Anyone want to mention like 300?

Anyone want to mention my,

no,

I don't think you're serious.

Black t-shirt.

No,

it's a nice black t-shirt.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

I picked this out today when I was looking at the seven black t-shirts i packed but let's not let max off the hook because i don't think you you're not dialed no he's not not he's loose right now and it's in a loose in a bad way are you worried about jalen carter being sick who's sick for five days? He'll be fine.

Magic Johnson?

Yeah.

Fair.

Also, the entire Eagles locker room,

they might be sick too.

There's worries that it's spreading

through the locker room.

It's probably food poisoning.

Okay.

It's probably the Boston boys.

But that's still not good.

You still don't feel like

if you have food poisoning on Thursday,

you're not going to feel 100% on Sunday.

Will literally ran a 4- four nine 12 hours removed from food poisoning okay that also might have been just hung over no that was food poisoning all right so you're not dialed not locked in i'm not gonna say not dialed but i'm i'm going to leave room for improvement on the dial okay one thing i learned this week is the most dialed I saw Max was when we were drunk on Monday. Once you get a couple drinks from you, you'll be back.
It's work. This has been work week.
It's really Max weekend is when it's really going to turn into it. Max Monday.
If you don't have keys to the game, at least show me the path. What has to happen? I've said the path.
What do the Eagles have to do? The Eagles, they don't need to start hot because sometimes they don't start hot. They need to be.
They don't. Sometimes they don't.
Sometimes they're a second-half team. They need to be up two scores going into the fourth quarter.
That's my key to the game. Would you say that being up two scores going into the fourth quarter, it would be easier to do that if you started hot.
Correct. But like, the Chiefs can score first and we can still get to up two scores.
That's what I'm saying. You gotta win the middle two quarters.
You don't have to score first. No, don't have to score first.
Second and third quarter. That's your time.
Yes. The middle four is huge.
Do you kick off or do you receive? Kick off always. Our defense, so good.
Do you have to score second? No, we can score first. No, no, but do you have to score? Could the Chiefs score first and second? Depends on the scores.
If it's the field goal, field goal. What about if it's touchdown field goal? Touchdown field goal, I would not be feeling good.
Here's the reality of the situation. A touchdown field goal, you can come back from.

10-0, you can do that.

But if you start out getting safetied and it's 2-0, that's game over.

Mm-hmm.

That's a fact.

Yeah, safety would be tough. 2-0 is absolutely just stop the game.

Max, is this a must win or can't lose?

This is a mustn't lose.

Okay.

I can answer.

Mustn't lose.

Must not.

We must not lose. Mustn't lose.
We must not lose.

Mustn't lose.

Have you thought about your pregame meal?

Yes.

Of course.

What do you mean? I have.

Well, I thought stupidly, and someone rightfully corrected me.

I almost just tried to run it back.

I was like, I should get Taco Bell before, and I was like,

that's very stupid because we lost that Super Bowl. So I have thought about it.
Haven't answered it. No decision.
It sounds like you've thought more about the parade than the pregame meal. You asked me a question.
Right. I answered the question.
Have you thought about how many drinks you're going to have in your system at kickoff? Great question. No.
Oh, you got to know that. You have to know that.
Are we going, like, what's the range that you're looking for? That's a fluid situation. I got to see how I feel.
Oh, no, that's bad. Because you have to have a plan.
Because that means you're just going to be blacked out. Yes.
If you have no plan, you're planning on having 20. No.
Truly's only. Okay.
Okay. You're going to get unruly.
Yeah, I'm going to be unruly. Okay.
But responsibly unruly. Yeah, you're responsibly unruly yeah i'm gonna be unruly okay but respect responsibly unruly yeah you're responsibly unruly have you and rone talked about what time you're going to like start drinking on sunday going into the game no we have not spoken about these are these are the most important parts we are i do think we're going to be with little sass as well but he's sitting by himself okay so that's another thing but these are details you gotta figure out it's it's like just like you're playing the game you have to script the first 15 drinks right and you also have to like what time are you gonna wake up on sunday are you gonna sleep in are you gonna get like are you gonna get to the game an hour early what's what's the plan not locked in no this is bad the news is you can walk there so like yeah true i can walk there i can walk back you're gonna put on the boot i'm gonna put on the boot i like that that's good we've got some preparation there yeah i'm putting on the boot but we don't know pre-game meal we don't know i think if you score first shooey no i can't do doing a shooey before if they win i promised if they win a shooey okay i'll i would do a champagne shooey if they win you have to think think about your night before meal too.
Like what's your dinner? What are you going to load up on? Seafood. Oysters.
Oysters. No, I think come Saturday, no more seafood because I don't want to risk the chance of food poisoning going into the game.
So you've got one detail set. He's not going to eat gumbo on Saturday or any oysters.
No, I like it. I mean, there's the gumbo ya-ya I could do.
Sausage gumbo. Sausage and chicken.
But no seafood because we just can't be having food poisoning going into the big game. The Eagles win.
Who's the MVP? Who should the MVP should have been? If the Eagles win, you know what? I think it's going to be Jalen Hurst. I agree with you.
I think it has to be Jalen Hurst. I think it's going to come down.
I think the Chiefs, we're actually going to break down the game. Well, actually, let's do some national sports podcast stuff and then we'll break down the game a little bit with some props.
Yeah, I'll check out for a sec. We're going to do a parlay.
All right, check out for – well, we have some Sixers. National sports podcast news.
Virginia McCaskey has passed away at the young age of 102. Gone too soon.
R.I.P. R.I.P.
That's kind of all I got right now. Moment of silence? Moment of silence.
That felt good. Her dying? No, the moment of silence.
Oh, of silence yes uh it will be interesting to see what happens with the bears ownership uh she did get to see the her last game she watched was the packers beating the packers that's pretty cool i think 102 is crazy it is crazy i don't for the record i do not want to be 102 yeah i never want to get there no i don't either i feel like uh unless i own an nfl team then i do what if they suck i still would probably want to be 100 you'd want to be 102 and then go through this season again owning an nfl team would be sick though it would like you don't want to die if you're owning an nfl team i don't want to be 102, regardless. Either way, obviously, her father basically started the NFL.
She's been the Bears owner for a long time, so she's sad. Well, it's not sad.
It's 102. Unbelievable life.
Incredible life lived. 102.
I mean, we're in New Orleans. They celebrate death.
Yeah. They do a line, a funeral line.
I don't know what's going to end up happening with the Bears ownership, but it's not a time to think about that. It does kind of rock.
Tomorrow's the time to think about that. It does kind of rock that she said like, yeah, I'll spend all my money on this new coach.
And then she doesn't have to actually do that. Yeah.
That's the way to go. Yeah.
When I'm like 95, I'm going to make a major financial commitment and then load up on a huge batch of heroin. That's my plan.
So RIP Virginia McCaskey, 102. Not a drug guy.
Not a drug guy. 102 is nuts.
It is crazy. I still.
So she was born in 1923? Yeah. Holy fuck.
Saw World War II. All of it.
Saw the Great Depression. Great Depression.
Dust Bowl. Pearl Harbor.
Is she older than the Hoover Dam? That's crazy. Probably.
Yeah, she is. She's older than highways.
That's insane. She was older than highways.
I did appreciate in the write-up. What? That's crazy.
That's not computing into my my how is she older than well because there weren't there weren't a lot of cars yeah like invented highways yeah that's true so how did people get from one city there were roads but like in terms of like the the full u.s highway system that didn't happen until like right after great depression yeah is route six isn't that a highway yeah 66 sure is the hoover dam that was at after 1936 was the hoover dam yep highways so she remembers the hoover dam being built u.s. yeah uh on signed legislation 1956 president dwight eisenhower signed legislation funding the construction of the u.s interstate highway system system.
Think about that, Max. It's older than highways.
That's fucking insane. Yep.
All right. Should we talk some trade deadline? I did some winners and losers based on basically just vibes.
Okay. So I got real no intel.
By the way, our NBA preview will be coming in two weeks. So Ryan Russillo will be on for uh that we're going to do a full nba preview it's about time for nba to start all right you want my winners and losers real quick and again this is based off vibes so people are gonna be like you don't know what you're talking about you might know a little bit more memes so you can correct me if i'm wrong on any of my winners and losers all right uh winner lakers yep luca.
Yep. Luka.
Also, Mark Williams. Even though he gets injured a bunch, they did need a big.
That feels like a pretty good trade for them. They traded Dalton Connect and a pick to the Charlotte Hornets.
That was basically a free roll. Yes.
Because they should have been in the Luka trade. Correct.
That was like, oh, yeah. Yeah.
We got – yeah. Those Dalton Connect and that unprotected first should have been for Luka.
And like, yeah, we'll just take a shot on Mark Williams, who is injured a lot, but also if he's good. But he's young.
And if he is not injured, he's exactly what they needed. I mean, Dalton Connect was good, though.
I liked watching him play. There's only one ball.
And he could just – yeah, you're right. He needed the ball.
He was a scorer. He forgot about that for a second.
Not a lot of defense. Yeah.
They're also winners because LeBron didn't leave. Yeah.
He said, I'm here right now. Yeah.
now yeah which means right at this very second he's there which i don't know if he's planning on leaving but uh there were rumors that like he might be interested in going to the warriors which i think would have made everybody hate basketball yeah right if if they got everyone you would have liked that yeah it would have been cool if they got kd lebron and stuff no they wouldn't have got they wouldn't have and LeBron, I don't think. Well, they were all names that were like floating around.
I'm glad that didn't happen. Yeah.
All right. Other winners.
Oh, by the way, because we're consistent on this podcast, Hank. Did you see Luka in a Lakers jersey? Negative horror.
Yeah. I did not.
Like, just the look of it was bad horror. You haven't seen him sweat in it though that's true but i just something about it just didn't work 77 doesn't hit the same it just didn't work yeah exactly it just didn't work i don't think anybody looks good dry in an nba jersey they don't like if you just if you need him to wet yeah you got i got him to oil up a little bit oil up a little bit then see if you got the aura.
All right. Other winner, I thought the Cavs getting DeAndre Hunter was big.
Huge. Cavs are going for it.
They needed that. And the Hawks are tanking now, I guess.
Yeah. Yeah.
So that was big. I thought that was a big win.
Miami for trading Jimmy Butler and getting rid of him. And the Warriors for getting Jimmy Butler.
Yeah. Win-win.
Yeah. You got playoff Jimmy, maybe Yeah.
That's going to be – I think if they get to the playoffs. I don't fully understand what the Warriors' plan is.
I think it's just Steph's going to have to shoot all the threes because they don't – they have less – like Jimmy Butler and Draymond don't really shoot threes. I think Draymond's one of the bigger losers.
You think so? Because the Warriors had a deal where Kevin Durant was going to be going to the Warriors that he basically shut down just because he doesn't want to play with Draymond again. Yeah.
So, yeah, that would make him a loser for sure. But I mean, I think the Warriors should be better just because it's playoff Jimmy with playoff Steph.
Yeah, he's old as fuck. That's what I'm saying.
He is older. I mean, Steph is 36.
Jimmy Butler is 35, but that's why Miami. Steph is so good though.
Jimmy Butler is. No, but there's a difference between regular season J-Bug and playoff J-Bug.
Yeah. You know that there is.
They might win a series. Yeah.
They're barely in the playoffs right now. And Miami wins because they got rid of Jimmy Butler, who is being a bitch.
Would you guys agree with that? Oh, yeah. I think he was being Jimmy Butler.
Yeah. Like, this is what you expect.
Yeah, that is what you expect. My other winner is the Clippers, just because I like Bogdanovich.
It's fun to say. And he's just, like, I don't know.
I feel like he can get hot. You don't like the Spurs? I think the Spurs would be a winner.
Spurs are winners? DeAndre Fox, yeah. Oh, yeah.
De'Aaron Fox. De'Aaron Fox.
Yeah, I'm a big watcher of his. You could be...
The Kings... I mean, the Kings getting Zach Levine for not a lot could be winners as well.
Light the beam. My losers are...
What about the Wizards and the Kings, I feel like, just for making a lot of moves. Oh, yeah, the Wizards getting Marcus Smart.
That was a win. They just made moves.
I don't know that they were winning moves, but I just like that they were so active. Every tweet was like the Wizards were just moving pieces around.
I feel bad for Marcus Smart. I feel terrible.
I want him to come home. Here's the thing about what the Wizards are doing.
They're moving names around. They're doing stuff with the salary cap that I don't understand, but I know that what they're engaged in is just active tanking.
Yeah, they're going to trade Chris Middleton. And for the longest time they they did not have a plan and their plan was it was like even worse than the Bulls plan because we would finish outside of the playoffs yeah but not be bad enough to get a one pick or two pick until last season then we finally got competent front uh front office when we got the dude from Oklahoma City and now we've had a plan in place where it's like, you have to get really fucking bad.

Yeah.

And I'm completely on board with getting as bad as possible.

That's the key.

Yeah.

In the NBA.

You like Quentin Grimes?

The Sixers are a winner?

Sure.

Okay.

Who cares?

You got Jay White, too.

Celtics are also winners.

Why?

Caleb Martin, Chris Middleton, Celtic Killers, out of the picture.

Well, they're in the East still, right? Yeah. Where's Caleb Martin? Went to the Mavs.
Middleton's. Well, I mean, he's in the East.
They're not going to play him in the playoffs. Just right down the street.
What about – That's a win. Are you not afraid of Kyle Kuzma? No.
You're not? No. You just don't like people with fashion.
That's true. That's a fact.
Yeah. You're afraid of it.
It's very funny because all the the talking hands on espn were like i like this trade for the bucks cal kuzma i know uh i know he's sucked but that's just because he was in washington yeah but now that he's gone he's gonna be good again and i thought about i got mad for a second and i was like kind of right yeah kind of that's that's a very accurate statement yeah yeah well you got this is bad podcast, so we can maybe cut this. Who is the guy that looks like Kramer on ESPN? That's Bob.
Is it Bob Myers? Let me see. He's the guy from the Warriors.
Yeah, that's Bob Myers. What about him? I was watching.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right.
That was bad podcasting. I know.
This is good podcasting. I don't do it for a follow-up.
literally just you took a picture of your tv because you're like is that kramer this is some good nba breakdown i know that you can listen to a bunch of other podcasts we're breaking down high level like that looks like kramer's dad yeah yeah he's uh no he's a good front office guy yeah he helped uh he'll pick dan quinn i really hate the nba trade deadline is Super Bowl week. Like, come on.
Yeah. It's a good front office guy.
Yeah. He helped pick Dan Quinn.

I really hate the NBA trade deadline is Super Bowl week.

Like, come on.

Yeah.

This is still Super Bowl week.

This is their revenge for Christmas.

Yeah.

All right.

My losers, real quick.

Phoenix, because Bradley Beal just refuses to go anywhere.

Right?

That feels like a bad situation.

If you were Bradley Beal, what would you do?

I know I said last week, you have the no trade clause.

You got that written in for a reason. But just fuck just fuck it just like don't use your no trade clause it's also like you basically blocked the sons from getting better at all and then you come back in that locker room and everyone's like oh hey dude glad you're still here so much yeah it's gonna suck yeah it's gonna suck like you're not yeah you'll you'll still have that contract you'll still have the same house you'll still have the same drive into work every day but it's going to get a lot worse uh obviously the mavs are losers for the luka trade uh raptors i just i don't really understand getting brandon ingram when they're out of the playoffs right now and they're maybe they're trying to get to the playing game i don't really know yeah this is like brandon ingram yeah i do i do too but like i feel like the raptors should be tanking right maybe it's a tariff thing maybe it's a tariff thing and then the bulls are a big loser because they didn't do anything that they should have done besides trade zach but that was a big thing but they didn't trade vooch they didn't trade uh kobe white who seven teams teams were interested.
And it's like they're just the dumbest organization in AK's dumbest. They extended Lonzo Ball.
I like Lonzo Ball, but what do you do? It's just none of the moves stack up together. It is funny that the NBA is at its best when we're not talking about games.
We're just talking about guys moving to different cities. Playoffs.
I love the playoffs. And being next to other guys.
It's like, oh, imagine if Luka imagine if Luca was in LA. Imagine if Katie was in New York.
Imagine if LeBron was in Riyadh. The, uh, there, I guess the warriors wanted Vooch and they just, the bulls couldn't do it because they're fucking stupid.
And then yeah, seven teams. It's basically the same thing that happened last year with Alex Caruso.
They're like, yeah, let's just do that mistake again. So they're fucking idiots.

Memes, did we miss any big trades?

Anything that tickled you?

No.

The Brandon Ingram one.

Toronto made a lot of moves.

The Pelicans made a lot of moves.

I'm more interested in the buyout market right now.

Oh, tell me about the buyout market.

I want Chris Millitleton on the Knicks.

Oh,

I think he's a perfect wing backup.

So,

what about Brandon Ingram?

I think he's going to stay in Toronto.

Okay.

Can you explain to me like I'm five,

how,

how that market works?

So the Wizards trade assets.

So pretty much everything I traded today,

a lot of money is bought out.

Pay him to not play for us.

Yeah.

And then someone else can get it.

Then that's good for us.

Yeah.

Because you already got the other assets and you traded away who you needed to

I'm going to try to get a little bit more. We just pay him to not play for us.
Yeah, and then someone else can get it. Then that's good for us.

Yeah, because you already got the other assets and you traded away who you needed to trade away.

Yeah.

Okay.

I don't understand salary caps.

No, it makes no sense. And a lot of people who got traded today are just going to get bought out.

Yeah.

So Marcus Smart?

Yeah, Marcus Smart potentially.

Oh, Hank.

Pretty much the big picture trade deadline is it's rigged for the Lakers and a lot of dumb organizations continue to do dumb things and the Warriors are going to at least be more interesting. Yeah.
One last ride for Steph. Yeah, one last ride for Steph.
But, yeah, we are going to have Rosillo on to break down or to preview the NBA. But it's still football season.
It's still football season. It is.
We got one game left. Enjoy it.
I was thinking about how my brain is going to feel on Monday morning with no football. No, I don't want to think about it.
I don't want to think about it. Did you guys see, by the way, Rob Ryan's press conference? No.
It was incredible. It was incredible.
I don't know if this is bad podcasting, but I can just play it because it was just so, it was so, so good. He is, I think, the linebackers coach at USC? He is, yeah.
Here, I'll play it. We can cut it if it doesn't make sense, but it was.
All right, here he is. Watch where we finish this year.
Watch where we finish this year. This guy is special.
He's special. He knows how to get it done.
He's a great communicator, great teacher. He's fun to be around.
He makes everybody better, including the coaches. And, you know, we'll see.
You know, I'm looking forward for the, what do you call it, spring ball or whatever. I can't wait.
We're going to go against the best. Oh, good.
Bring it on. We see that little juco kid from Hutch.
Bam, we're going to get after him. But anyway, it'll be great.
We're excited. You know, and I saw the Maiava guy.
I coached his uncle. I hated that kid when I first sat there.
USC kid, a little captain. Remember, he could walk under this table right here.
He's doing a fucking bit. Like, oh, man.
He's dominating every inch of that stage. I was all over this kid during the OTAs.
Man, this guy, man, you got to run to cover a guy. Anyway, so then I'm like, hey, guys.
I was going on vacation with the family going out to Hawaii, going to Maui. I've never been to Maui.
I run things in Oahu, but I'm going to go to Maui. This is a press conference.
Hey, Rob, you get in any kind of trouble now? You just tell them you know Kalooks. I'm like, hey, yeah, I'm going to tell them I know Kalooks know caloots this is Bruce he's pacing around like Chris Rock we're gonna have a romantic evening go out there no rent a car what do you mean you never called for the rent a car I told you she's Greek Greek.
I'm like, yeah, they must have lost it. So, of course, I forgot to call.
Now they're out of cars. I'm in Maui.
I got no car. So what do I do? I know Kalooks.
I got a car. Oh, you know Kalooks? Swear to God, hand to God.
That's a suck. I got Kalukes.
Oh, man. Anyway, I ended up loving the kid.
He was, oh, man, is he being a rattlesnake? There's a reason why that kid was captain with all those first-round draft choices. I love that guy.
Ended up, Lukes can be deceiving. That's so good.
There were like nine times in that one story where I was like, please, please stop talking because you're about to say something that's going to get you in trouble. Big trouble.
I mean, that was just, I love him so much. He was just pacing the whole stage.
We're talking rent-a-cars in Maui. I know Kalooks.
Yeah, so if you're in Maui, just say, hey, I know Kalooks. Tougher than a rattlesnake.
Oh, man. Yeah, so that would be fun having Rob Ryan in the USC.
I'm excited. We got Ron Rivera going back to school, too.
Oh. He's going to Cal, right? Oh.
He's going to be consulting to the GM at Cal. I love it.
So he told the text that he sent to Adam Schefter was, it was going back to school is cool again. Bill Belichick taught me that.
So I'm going back to school. Very cool, Ron.
Very cool. Do we think Josh isn't going to win the MVP, right? It's going to be Lamar? I don't know.
It's like 50-50 right now. I'm not going to be mad.
Lamar deserves it as much as Josh, but it would be cool if Josh won. I would like to see Josh win just because seeing the story with Josh and being around him enough over all these years, it would be very cool to see that after everyone doubted him so i in my heart i would like that uh but my wallet wants lamar very badly yeah um okay and if i get lamar 15 grand no doinks no do if they let me put that in do you think they'll let me bet that yeah why not yeah i think they will they should no you don't just shake my head like you shouldn't do that.
Why? Well, what happened to that? Because it's such a dumb bet. He should because it's electric for the gambling stream.
It's an investment, Hank. It's a 10% overnight investment.
It only didn't hit last time because of a fluke. But what happened? Okay, I think there were seven.
No, there were eight kicks. It was like the first kick of the game.
There were eight. No, that's not true.
PFT, I got your back. There were like eight kicks kicks in the last game seven of them did not hit the uprights what are that's like 85 no no no no uh we'll get to it later but we had a really fun uh friendly competition the other night where we all competed and did different activities throwing kicking you were really good uh how are you how was i did you your kicks? I did not make all my kicks.
What happened on the one you missed? I was barefoot, and I kicked it, and I doinked it. You got the doinks out of the way! Does that mean it's less likely that these are going to doink? I'm with PFT.
PFT, I will... How many kicks? Eight? How many kicks did you hit? Fuck it, you know what I'm with? Seven out of ten.
Oh, you're going to bet the no doinks, too? I'm going to bet the no doinks. All right, now I right now i'm gonna get your foxhole i'm totally right because the last time this was the super boy you got my foxhole i'm gonna get your foxhole i appreciate that here's whatever you bet i'm gonna bet the exact same amount i want to bet against it let me what the but i can't like just prepare you should you should bet against it yeah you know you're going to anyways i have a lamar future as well and i might put all that on doink yeah you know you're going you know you're going to we got a doink off.
Alright, so let me prepare you for what you're going to experience with a no doink sped. Don't do this.
Every single time. Don't do this.
Josh is going to win anyway. Every single time someone scores a touchdown, you're going to hope to God they go for two for some reason, first of all.
Then when they line up to kick, your butthole is going to shrink up to about the size of an electron. Okay, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to be.
Yeah, he doesn't want it. He doesn't want it.
He doesn't want the smoke. No, I'm.
I haven't got to the good part yet. Okay, but would you rather me bet the exact same amount as you or just be all in with you? Just be all in.
You don't have to bet the same amount. I'm going to root for you.
I'm going to root for this fucking loser. Do not put 15.
It's not for the faint of heart. I already have that.
I've already got that put away for tails anyway. Bet a little bit on it.
But yeah, and then after the ball goes through or misses and doesn't hit the upright, it's a great feeling. Because statistically, it's a good investment.
But you just have to be prepared to go through hell. I'm going to be rooting like hell with you.
Doinks are very rare. They're more rare than you think.
You only hear about doinks because every time it happens, the NFL has put microphones closer and closer to uprights to make them sound bigger. And then everybody in the world tweets doink at the same time.
That's why you think it happens all the time. Put your money where your mouth is.
If Omar wins, I will. Do it.
I will. Do it anyway.
It's great odds. Yeah.
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Let's break down this game a little bit. I, uh, I like Hank have a future on the Eagles.
I'm not going to cash out. I think the Eagles are the better team.
I'm so, so afraid of Patrick Mahomes and the history that they're going for. I do think though, the Eagles defense is the best unit that he's going to face in probably.
Yeah. I mean, in the playoffs and then, oh man, those big boys on the Eagles offensive line, they got to just do work, Max, they got to do works.
I really do think this, I know it's very reductive to say, but like Jalen hurtsts has to play great. Yes.
Because the Chiefs, if he makes any mistakes, the Chiefs will capitalize and they will win the game and we'll all be sitting here being like, how'd this happen again? Jalen Hurts has to play the game of his life. Disagree with that.
I think he needs to make plays when plays need to be made, but he doesn't need to like go for 300 yards. But what about making plays when plays don't need to be made? Because sometimes that's the best play.
I think that he's going to need to hit a big third and long to keep a drive going. He's going to need to make clutch plays, but I don't think he needs to have this huge stat sheet game because the recipe to winning is to go up and then use Saquon to ice the game.
Is a punt a bad thing for you guys? Yes. We need to score.
All right. Give me your top four things you're scared about on the Chiefs side.
Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes. Oh, that's it.
Andy Reid andy reed chris jones spags chris jones doesn't care about chris jones mcduffie but like patrick mahomes is so much scarier than everyone carloftis i would be scared chris jones is scary i'd be scared of andy reed i'd be scared of spags i'd be scared of chris jones mcduffie mcduffie but he's just one guy we have i understand but we have so many other guys I'd be scared of Chris Jones, McDuffie. McDuffie, but he's just one guy.
I understand, but... We have so many other guys.
I'd be scared of Harrison Bucker. Chris Jones is really good.
Our interior offensive line is very good. Harrison Bucker is a very, very good kicker.
Harrison Bucker. You forgot about him.
I'm not... You just...
I don't... I'm not...
He's a good kicker. He can hit a long kick.
He's a very good kicker.

But if you go into a game and you're scared of the kicker, that's not. No, I'm saying like in an end of game situation.
Yeah. But that's more Patrick Mahomes getting to that situation.
If Mahomes can get 57 yard field goal, he can probably make that. But I'm more scared of Patrick Mahomes getting them into that situation.
Okay. So he's like, he makes Patrick Mahomes more powerful.
Correct. Yeah.
Sure. Yeah.
Did what uh long time eagles fan diehard eagles fan uh co-worker all business pete said no he said i can't believe the sound got fucked up again okay no he actually said that he feels in his balls eagles by 20 but he doesn't have balls. That's true.
He got cut off.

I kind of do too.

You do?

Just hearing the actual football guys that we've been around,

they just keep talking about talent, talent, talent, talent.

This is a very good Eagles team.

And yeah.

PFT likes the Chiefs though.

I also think the Chiefs are the worst.

I just respect greatness.

Good team of all time. This team stinks.
I want to respect greatness. I also think the Chiefs are the worst good team of all time.

This team stinks. I want to

respect greatness. I don't think this team stinks.

They got bailed out by the refs

25 times. I know I need you to take

the Chiefs. I need you to like the Chiefs.

No, I'm saying I want to respect greatness.

And what I saw, especially

last week in the championship game,

a team win

by 30 points in the championship game, that's a great team. Great.
And you have to respect greatness. I've been better about the Chiefs than I have all week.
I mean, the Eagles, sorry. All the logos for part of my take, birds.
No. I'm birds.
Memes, you birds? Birds, baby. No memes.
I've been yelling across the board. Shane is chiefs.
He's not chiefs. He hates the chiefs.
Yeah, he's a Chargers fan. Ian, are you chiefs or eagles? The eagles should win, but...
Okay, so he's an eagles should win. Okay, well, that sounds like birds all across.

I think the birds are going to win, but I'm going to bet on Mahomes.

But for the record, I'm picking the birds.

No, no, no.

You're betting on Mahomes.

I'm betting on the Chiefs.

Oh, okay.

So then you're picking the Chiefs.

No, I'm betting on the Chiefs, but I'm picking the Eagles.

No, no, no, no.

What's so hard to understand about that?

No, no, no. It almost passes because of how cool that Kangol hat is, but no.
Well, you don't get to tell me what to do. No, you can't.
The fucking graphic that we're going to make is going to say, Bird, Bird, Bird, Bird, Bird. No, it's going to be our picks.
We're picking to win the game, who we have money on. This is the picks and preview segment of the show.
Your pick is what you put money on. Caesar.
My pick is none of your business. I want the bird on the graphic.
Okay, I'm taking the cheese. Cheese.
Cheese. Listen, you have to respect greatness.
I respect greatness. Listen, we've had this conversation.
I mean, if I didn't have this future, I probably would just be like, fuck it, it's Mahomes again. Because last year was the easiest Super Bowl I've watched.
Where it's like, I don't care. Mahomes is going to win.
Birds. It's birds.
It's got to be birds. Birds are a better team.
They're going to win. And Max is going to finally have his moment in the sun.
The trenches are healthy. The trenches.
And on Sunday night. The trenches.
All right. Favorite props.
favorite props so yeah say the props that you like but then you got to pick one that we're going to put all together okay um tails is obviously my first pick of the game um and then the other one i feel very strongly about this won't be in the parlay unless someone else picks it over 52 and a half yards for Dallas Goddard. Okay.
So those are, those are the two that I really like. I also did bet Saquon over longest rush 24 and a half.
I think it might be 25 and a half. I bet it literally right after the championship game, um, which I actually don't even like it that much anymore, but guess what? It's already been bad.
So we're going to ride it. Uh, what you guys like i like uh i like jalen hurts over 38 and a half yards rushing i like patrick mahomes over 29 and a half yards rushing okay and then i saw one earlier i'm trying to track it down again it was uh saquon barkley to have a certain amount of yards per quarter in every quarter oh i forget what that number was but i remember seeing it and looking at it and thinking to myself, Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. And I like flea flicker plus two 50.
Okay. Um, I also like Travis Kelsey to score a touchdown.
I think he's going to score a touchdown. Hank.
Uh, I like the flea flicker. That would be my pick for the parlay.
Oh, it allowed. Okay.
I would to be over two and a half players to have a pass attempt. Do you not want me to put that in there? Do you want me to put Dallas Goddard in there instead? I don't mind.
Whatever you want to do. Whatever you feel best about.
That's my favorite bet every Super Bowl. Over two and a half players to attempt a pass.
But we can do Flea Flicker instead. Because those are kind of...
Similar? Flea Flicker. Yeah, yeah.
Flea Flicker's not crazy odds. Yeah, yeah.
It's similar in the fact that it's like kind of two trick play-ish. We're looking for two trick plays.
This wouldn't be for the parlay, but one I like because I feel like Andy Reid dials this up in the Super Bowl. We talked about it a lot about how he's got these plays in the vault, only seen in the Super Bowl.
Any offensive lineman to score a touchdown plus 1,600? I like that a lot because when we talked to Lane Johnson, I don't know if you picked up on this, but we said, like, what if you caught a pass? He's like, me? No, not me. Like they might be looking at somebody else that could get a touchdown.
Yep. I like over 11.5 longest punt return.
Oh. That's fun.
Whoa. And I like that in the DraftKings sportsbook somewhere.
Because I did bet over, or sorry, a kick to be turned for a touchdown on a kickoff. That's 22 to one.
I would say sprinkle it at most on that. I just, that was more of a stay woke.
They're going to try to get one. And this goes to the talent.

This goes to the birds.

But the Chiefs can help out too.

Over three and a half total number of three and outs in the game.

Okay.

I hate that bet.

What's the odds?

That sucks.

But, yeah.

Minus 105.

That's so many three and outs. Four three and outs? More than three.
Okay. I found that bet at Saquon Barkley to have 10-plus rushing yards in each quarter.
Minus 150. Okay.
All right. So, yeah, let's put this parlay together.
So, I'll go to Dallas Goddard over 52 and a half yards.

Okay.

Okay.

So, that'll be my pick in this.

Do you want to put it together in your phone real quick?

Also, this is not for the parlay, but I also like Xavier Worthy's yards over because I

think he's just been getting a shitload of targets.

All right, Hank, what's your pick? Flea Flicker. Flea Flicker.
And then PFT? I'll do Mahomes rushing yards, 29 and a half, over. Okay.
I like that. I like that.
All right, you putting it together here, Maxie? I'm trying. It's hard to find him so quickly.
All right, I'll do it. Why don't you just worry about what your pick is going to be? My pick has been Devontae Smith, 50-plus yards.

Okay.

So Patrick Mahomes over 29.5, you said?

Yep.

PFT?

Yep.

All right.

And Devontae Smith is over how many yards?

I did 50-plus, but I'll take, like, whatever.

52.5.

Okay.

All right.

So right now it's plus 500.

And you might, Hank, we might not be able to use yours in a parlay. Jalen Carter, one sack.
Okay. Love it.
Okay. Is it over a half a sack? Yeah.
One plus. Sacks.
Jalen Carter. Okay.
Okay. One plus.
12 to one. Okay.
So here it is. For the people.
Go bet it in the – now this is too much.

Oh, no, we have one Chiefs.

It's Dallas got over 52.5 yards.

Jalen Carter one sack.

Devontae Smith over 52.5 receiving yards.

Patrick Mahomes over 29.5 rushing yards.

Bang.

12 to one.

I feel really good about it.

All right, Max, before we get to our interviews, which are incredible,

we have Jason Kelsey and Chris Berman.

Awesome, awesome interviews. Final score prediction of the week.
26-21 Eagles. Whoa, you went down.
What happened? It's going to be a closer game. No, it's going to be a dogfight.
You went 32-34. 34, now down to 26? Yeah.
Oh, no. Why is that? Eagles offense has gotten worse as the weeks go.
No, you just have to respect the Chiefs. Okay.
You have to respect the Chiefs. 26-21, so that's a one-score game.
Does Patrick Mahomes have the ball? No, he backdoors it into the one-score game. Oh, so it's 26-14? And then they go for the onside kick.
It's a really good onside kick, and you think that they're going to get it, but the Eagles get it. Holy shit.

That would be amazing.

I feel like we've had a lot of good Super Bowls recently.

I hope we get another one.

I don't know if we will.

I think it might be a blowout.

Which side?

I just think it might be a blowout.

Which side?

I think the Chiefs.

Or the Eagles? I think the Chiefs might stomp him. Oh, man.
No. Too much talent.
Just remember this. I mean, he's a guy who just got stomped.
Yeah, put him on a list. I think he might get stomped.
Huh? Put him on a list. No, yeah, he's on the list.
No, I'm not. You haven't given us a list update.
I don't think you have the list anymore. No, been giving the eagles more respect this week which i don't which i don't like as much i'm doing you a favor yeah yeah you are you are you are you are good friend okay uh we will we will be streaming the super bowl from the gambling cave max will be at the super bowl don't worry max will be on no matter what win or lose we have all the setup so we'll'll have good audio, good video.
There will also be plenty of clips from the game. Plenty of clips from the game that we'll tweet out.
And your setup on Sunday night will be an actual camera with good audio equipment, right? Yeah. All right, so it won't be like a Zoom.
It will be Zoom, but it will be good. Riverside.
Riverside, professional mic, webcam. Webcam.
Okay. Love it.
So we're going to get Gold Max and possibly Roan. And Roan.
And Roan. Okay.
Let's do our interviews. We have an awesome interview with Jason Kelsey and then Chris Berman.
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And now, Jason Kelsey. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest.
It is Super Bowl champion, six-time All-Pro. You're not leading off the podcast? I think it's seven.
Seven-time All-Pro? I know it's seven Pro Bowls. Six-time All-Pro.
Six-time All-Pro. This is why I should just let you talk.
Seven Pro Bowls. Future Hall of Famer.
Yeah. Oh, I like that.
Yeah, it's Jason Kelsey. So you just have accepted like, hey, I can't wait for my five years and they're going to knock on my door.
Well, I don't know about the yeah um you're a hall of famer i don't yeah i don't know we'll find out i think it's it feels weird to think of yourself in that way um i don't know what i don't yeah i don't know all right you know what what why don't we do this uh as first reported by pardon my take jason kelsey's in the pro football. Thanks, guys.
So when that day happens, you have to thank us first. Okay.
Because we were the first to have it. You know what? I mean, it seems only fair.
When they do your bust, are you going to want the big hair? I don't. Do you get to choose the actual? I think you do.
That would feel right. You sit down, and then somebody comes in and paints your face or does whatever.
I don't know how they do it with a sculpting, but I think you get to choose the era of look that you have. So you could be like, yeah, give me the lines.
The long hair would be good. I'm going to take my Max era.
Yeah. The long hair.
Yes. The long hair.
Yes. Max is very...
In this hypothetical world. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right. So Super Bowl week.
Yeah. Is this one a little weird for you because, well, obviously because your brother's on the Chiefs and the Eagles are your family, but is it weird that you're like, man, I kind of wish I was getting out there with the boys? Yeah, I mean, you always wish you could get out there with the boys.
I don't know, that'll ever go away. Yeah.
But certainly during a Super Bowl, it gets magnified. And obviously just one year away, I'm still close with all these guys right um so yeah i would love to go out there and play but how many snaps could you give them right now how many snaps you're looking you're looking good i it looks like you've lost some chris jones might like ddt me into like the ether yeah but you could give him a snap then I.
Yeah. But no, it's, I don't know how many I could go.
I think going before the season, it's hard to envision like doing anything. Yeah.
And then once you get to this point, adrenaline could get me through something. Yeah.
I think every former player like thinks that to a degree. Yeah.
But then I'd be curious to see what actually would happen if I went out on the field it's interesting because i was reading an article last night from your former teammates and i feel like tell me if i'm wrong but you played for so long but for like the last three or four years it felt like every year you were like this might be it for sure i might so you were kind of contemplating retirement for essentially the back third of your career yeah i made a whole documentary that lasted three years thinking about retiring. I think it's playing football is really hard, playing offensive lines really hard, and the physical toll takes on you.
I think it's something that you really have to disconnect from the season and be like, okay, do I want to do this for another year? At least once you get older. That's the way I did it.
Lane's fully on board with playing another year.

I already saw the press conference fired up about that.

We were with him yesterday.

He promised that he was playing another year.

And he should.

He's still playing at a really high level.

He's still dominating.

And then I think at some point you realize that your body is barely hanging on.

And you're like, okay, how much longer do I want to do this? And I did that for about three years longer than yeah it's a testament to you because you it feels like when you look at your career you got better as the years went on and some of your best football was in your 30s what was that was that just figuring out the game was it figuring out your body like what what made it so that you got that much better as you kept on going yeah I think a lot of lot of it, you know, the center position, you can get by more with tricks of the trade and like kind of just understanding things and accelerating that a little bit. I think some positions like tackle, you got to be like man mountain dean out there to go block Miles Garrett.
I was not blocking Miles Garrett often. So I think when you're in the middle of it, you can use like calls and different things that, you know, put the line or you in a better situation and you understand technique more.
So that helps you play at a higher level, even though physically you're nowhere near the player. And that's where it's like for the last three years, I could feel myself physically deteriorating, but like on the play, like I'm still playing at a high level right so it's this weird thing it's like i don't know when this physical deterioration is going to catch up but it feels like it's like catching up now right and that's kind of what leads to those years of you know what am i going to do next year yeah so from the center position what kind of level of detail do you do you have to put in going up against spags especially in a big game like this because i always loved going up against spags i mean um another guy uh who's actually in college now wig martindale used to be able to give blitzes from any direction and spags is going to put a safety down week he's going to rotate it all the way to make it look like there's no chance the nickels come there's no chance chance the corner's coming, and then all of a sudden it's going to rotate the other way

and they're going to come.

Or you're going to think you got them and you do have them,

and then they know you got them and they're going to flip the blitz

and then they're bringing it the other way.

So there's like this cat and mouse game that's going on with spags.

It'll be zone pressures, overloads to a side.

It'll be single dog pressures that are like run stoppers, be blitzes especially in gotta have it scenarios i mean that blitz that he pulled out against the bills everybody's talking about it i mean i still have nightmares from that when he was with the giants and they did it with the corner because it was a condensed split but he used to do the same thing with uh landon collins put him down on the line they'd have this these stand-up guys over here to the right and you'd have to guess like it's like okay either the safety and it's coming from the weak side here or he's going to overload you over here and if the center is going the wrong way you're going to be hot yeah and that's where like you know the quarterback has to be firmly ready to throw the ball if you are wrong right and that's hard when you're in a situation like a third and long because typically the hot answer is not going to pick up a first down yeah he knows it so it's i love that cat and mouse game going against spag and you're trying to get any little tell it's like all right the safety's like inside the end he bails if the safety uh if the nickel's pressed he's coming and then over years they realize they have tells and it's just a fun part of it for sure was when you have a situation like that and you guessed wrong do you know instantly you're like oh you know right away you're like fuck i did you know right away sometimes even if you guess wrong you like you'll like pop out you're like fuck i'm just gonna try and bail and get something on this guy because he is now. Yeah.
So typically you know right away. Yeah.
So once these guys drop and this line starts slanting this way, you know they're bringing it to the field. Yeah.
What's the 10 seconds like as you get up to the ball and you're like scanning the field and you have to figure out protection, all that stuff? Like how do you process that? Where do your eyes go first? What do you think about it? So the first thing you're trying to pick up,

and this is before you've broken the huddle,

is what's the down and distance?

And based on that and kind of your pre-work,

you're already in a mode of like these are the pressures they kind of like, right?

First and 10, second and 10 run situations are going to be in this world.

Third and long, then you're getting ready for the exotics.

And then with a guy like Spaggs, certain parts of of the field he'll just whip a blood zero out and it might not even be a tell like he's gonna give you one or two a game where you're not ready for it at all and you're just gonna have he's gonna see how you're gonna respond right um but you're breaking the huddle thinking about the down the distance engaging the personnel that they have on the field. They have three down linemen, four down linemen.

Are they a nickel?

Are they a dime?

And sometimes that stuff will give you little breaks into the pressures that they're like out of those situations.

And then once you get up there, you're IDing where people are.

Is it a shell with two safeties back?

Is it a single high with the safety down on the line of scrimmage?

Is the nickel to the field way off the ball hopefully you get a double count but then they kind of know you're double counting but and you can get a tell somebody will start trying to go back early or something like that and then you can get a tell like that but that's kind of the process and then my whole job is to try and set the protection uh the center going the direction of where the most guys could potentially come yeah because the running back can scan so the only way a six-man pro and this is what you're generally in for the majority of you know third and long situations the only way a six-man pro is going to get beat is if they bring two to the side of the backs or two away from where the center is going yeah yeah and a four down front this that's sorry i know that we're gonna i love this shit i like this yeah we don't we don't know about this as fans sometimes sure and i i don't know maybe it sounds like you really put yourself into you know dedicating your uh you're like you know prep to this type of of uh like understanding and you know your routine that you have to get in do you think there's some centers in the nfl that just go up there and they're like oh fuck i have no idea i'm just going to try to kill the guy that's closest to me i i think probably not anybody who has no i hopefully nobody that has no idea what's happening and they're going to kill somebody i think the position requires a little bit more than that mentally to be good because part of it's One of even just – one of the things I love about centers, it's not just your job. You're responsible for helping other guys play better.
By just making a call, you can make the quarterback better situated. You can make the right guard in a better position to block whoever, right? Yeah.
And you need to embrace that to be a good center, in my opinion. But I think there's differing degrees of control that centers have i had a lot in philadelphia and that got built up over a decade plus of playing there when i first got there michael vick controlled the vast majority of it and i was like hey i'm gonna start this with like what the rule in the playbook is we're gonna go to the mic and vick's gonna do everything off of that and then my next year they give you a little bit more like all right because it's hard it's hard for the quarterback to know all of those different fronts and everything they can read coverages and all that other stuff so the best situation is when the quarterback and center are on the same page they've talked all week and they know you know what each person's looking for yeah and I think that um the older you get as a center the more leeway you get in helping the quarterback out because that's at the end of the day our whole job yeah and i mean you want a part of your career that was so incredible is the amount of games that you played not missing uh a lot of time i think it was what 150 starts in a row something like that it feels like know my career.
But my question to you is that we talk about offensive line play all the time, and a team gets ravaged by injury, and they're shifting guys. And even like the Chiefs right now, Joe Thune is going from guard.
Shout out to Joe, too, man. That's fucking insane.
So how long, like at what point do you, when you're working with people, do you feel like, all right, I know what they're going to do. We can all, the sum of the parts becomes even better because we all know each other so well and we can team block here versus when someone gets thrown in and you're like, all right, fuck, we're kind of, this is going to hurt us here.
I think it depends on how many new guys there are. There's a level of communication that's verbal,

but there's also a level of communication that you kind of just understand.

And that's kind of like where Pat and Travis are on that page, right?

Where like at this point don't even need to tell each other.

Like this guy's outside leverage on this play.

I know Travis is going to do this, even though nobody –

he and I haven't even talked about this, but we just know it's going to happen.

Right.

And offensive line is the same way.

You know, it's like, okay, when this look happens,

I know my right guard is going to do this.

I think it's like okay when this look happens i know my right guard's going to do this isaac's say i was gonna do that and when when isaac's not in and there's a new guy you have to over communicate yeah what's about to happen that makes sense and that's hard to anticipate when there's a new guy in there yeah but generally like if there's two new guys on a side that's a little bit concerned. Yeah.
Like, if you plug a guy in just at one person a side, generally that communication gets ironed out because there's, like, continuity between the center and that side. Yeah.
When there's two new guys in a row, it's like, okay, now we got some room for some communication to break down there. Yeah, and that's all it takes is a little communication in your thoughts.
Makes a big deal half of you know the run game passing game half of it is just like everybody being on the same page yeah if you're not on the same page in the run game you're pretty much fucked if you're not on the same page in the past game you're fucked so like that's the most important thing yeah if to offensive line play or really offensive football yeah how bad was uh the in the 2022 Super Bowl? It was pretty bad. Yeah.
We did an investigation. You guys got through.
You did an investigation. The sod father.
He was at work. Tinnacles run.
You should just bring that up to Travis. Go figure.
Yeah, I got one over you. He's just like, the sod father got one over me.
Yeah, that's right. I didn't lose to Travis Gelsch and the Chiefs.
You lost to the sod father. I think he got a ring.
Yeah. It's okay to say Max is just viciously shaking his head right now.
You know, yeah, I think our D-line was hindered quite a bit. Yeah.
But so was Chris Jones, so I wasn't complaining. Well, no, they knew.
The sodfather worked for the Chiefs, so they knew. They were wearing the right spikes.
They slipped a bunch as well.

Here's the thing.

A bad field is to the advantage of an offensive line because the defensive line are the ones really trying to get a good getoff on the ball.

So multiple times, their D-line is slipping too.

Now, I happen to think, like, Son Reddick's major move was taken away

because of the way that grass was.

He's a heavy, bend-the-edge type type rusher and that kind of got neutralized uh hargrave really good get off quick twitch guy it's gonna hurt guys like that right right so yeah so i played chris jones in that i also played indomitian sue and nick fairly in the snow in philadelphia love that yeah i played indomitian sue like like four years later when he was with Miami or something like that. Maybe it was actually just two years after that, two or three years.
And it was significantly different Indomitian Sioux. Yeah.
Good field for sure. Who's the toughest? Who's the guy who gave you the most problems? So you're like, you know, I know I'm all pro.
I know I'm a really good center, but something about him.

There's a lot of guys.

Yeah, I mean, I think the best player I ever played against

with Aaron Donald, for sure.

Luckily, he chose to be a nightmare for the guard

more than he was for the center,

so I didn't have to deal with it too much.

But he was a freak.

For me specifically, Dexter Lawrence,

in the second half of my career, was a nightmare in New York.

He still is.

I think that's a good thing. a freak um for me specifically dexter lawrence in the second half of my career was a nightmare in new york he still is i see i see him now i can't believe i used to have to like try and like block that guy he's fucking enormous like he is and he's not even like big like my first game of the league like vince wolfork was like the big guy yeah but like dexter's like he almost looks like a basketball player just like ballooned up like he's like an athlete athlete yeah it's crazy but he's he was great uh still is um snacks harrison who probably if you're not a giants fan you might not even know but yeah he was really good i was always for some reason like not the best guy sometimes gave me issue like poona ford i don't know if you yeah backup nose guard sometimes gave me like the most fits out of anybody right now he's like what the fuck man i know but poona well he started in seattle played really good this year uh kind of like a down year in buffalo yeah before but he had longer arms than me any shorter than me so like for me.
So, like, for me, it's like, all right, at least when I play a bigger guy, I can get up under him. Right.
I can win the leverage battle. And if I play a shorter guy, I say, okay, at least I have longer arms.
So, like, when you play somebody shorter with longer arms, like, I've negated every technical advantage I have. I have no mass advantage.
So, it's like, I'm kind of... That's a great answer.
Puno Ford. Yeah.
Puno gave me issues. Puno was a Kelsey stopper.
Heo gave me issues he was i hate i love that so so with the the last super bowl i'm more interested in uh how you went about scheduling the next podcast after that like who sent the first text and it's like hey it's probably intern brandon we should probably record in a very softly worded yeah hey guys not sure you guys are aware, but we have the podcast recording coming up. Yeah.
I mean, I was ready to do it. It sucked.
It was the worst podcast for me. So, yeah, losing a Super Bowl that you're playing in is by far the worst feeling imaginable because it takes so much to get there.
One of these teams is going to be fucking heartbroken. Right.
That's why we let you guys win this time why that's where i'm like in a weird situation again where like there's a lot of people i care about on both sides and you know that somebody's just going to be like absolutely fucking devastated right and it's like on some level like you almost wish you lose the championship round or something yeah it was great it was great for me this year it. Thank you.
And the commanders, they're playing with house money this year. There's like zero expectations of that happening.
Yeah, okay. So I get the house money argument.
But at the same time, there's a lot of guys that get to the NFC championship or AFC championship that don't get back. So it's like when you're there, you want to win.
But I am glad that we got our ass kicked. That's way better than losing a close game.
Like, yeah, you lose on a call. Yeah, the bills.
Yeah, every the bills yeah every time the um it's funny because uh the year we won the Super Bowl Brent Selleck actually started that year out saying he went to the NFC championship I think his second year in the league was either first or second year and he just thought he'd go back right like every year and then it took him all the way to like year 13 or whatever it was 11 to get back to the Super Bowl. So, yeah, don't take it for granted when it's there.
It's hard to get those teams together. It really is unless you have like a perennial quarterback, which I hope maybe.
Yeah, you look pretty good this year. I don't want to jinx it, but yeah, he's pretty fucking awesome.
After a bad loss, what's the time frame for like friends and family to text you? Because we've been lucky enough to do this a long time that we know a bunch of these guys. Yeah.
And I always am like, I usually give it a week because I don't know how, if you text someone a day later, like, hey, man, that sucked. Day later is good.
You think so? I feel like because everybody's texting them the day of. Yeah.
The day of is wrong. The is wrong the day of it's like first of all there's a lot of texts happening yeah you're still like pissed off and don't want to respond to anybody right next day is a good text okay emotions have kind of come down sorry like what's the uh stages of grief you're like in that denial denial is happening the first day yeah second what's second stage maybe acceptance yeah I think you that's probably the end right acceptance is the end uh anger anger is in there anger is definitely bargaining as well bargaining yeah bargaining like the rest happens bad yeah sod father because you start thinking about like all the bargaining in in like the stages of grief for the super bowl loss is like man if i just would have did this or if i would have done that and that's what's happening really especially the second day okay god damn I could have won the Super Bowl if I just would have did this or if I would have did that.
That's what's happening really, especially the second day. Because you're like, God damn, I could have won the Super Bowl if I just would have done this.
Right. If I just would have did that, we would be Super Bowl champions.
And everybody was like, Mark Andrews is doing that with the loss this year in the playoffs, right? Yeah. And he negates everything else he's done for the entire season.
Right. His entire existence as a Raven.
He's like thinking about that. And every other mistake that everyone else made in that game.
Everybody's thinking about it. It's like, just don't make the last mistake.
That's a big one. That's what everybody remembers.
Everybody remembers Bradford with the holding call on Juju Smith in our last Super Bowl. They don't remember me fucking up a blitz on third and five or whatever.
Sounds like and sounds like you remember oh i remember it it haunts me very much we're doing some bargaining right now fucking spags so i've been bargaining for that for a long time but i think um so that next day text okay is is good to distract that person's mind from thinking about all that yeah because i don't know i mean that's just it's it's got to be and then the element of travis has he rubbed it in your face at all he's been a good brother he has not rubbed it in my face he would you rub it in his face i don't think i would no come on i mean you're the older brother you can kind of i think well let me but now being on this side of it i definitely would not do it right had i never experienced what it feels like to lose a super bowl i still don't think i would have done it it's it's a freaking downer it's a big one yeah but if you had played another year and then you somehow beat the chiefs in the super bowl then you would rub that in his face because he only got one on you yeah if we were one-on-one then it's like all fair play yeah for sure yeah it's really hard to rub something in travis's face when he's better better in every facet of the career you chose to go into.

Okay, when you put it that way, okay.

You're a much better dresser than he is.

That's right.

You drink more beer than him, I assume?

You know what?

He can down some beers.

Really?

He's very good.

You gotta have something.

I think I always can hang my hat

that I'm the older brother.

Your mom's gotta love you the most. The mom definitely loves Travis more.
Oh, shit. I got nothing.
God damn it. This came across my timeline the other day.
This is Travis back in like 2015, maybe 2016. Do you remember this? When he went through like his kind of meth era? What is that? I don't know.
It looks like he's going to like a shop class. Look that yeah that's crazy yeah he's got a burner yeah i mean trav has always had some pretty amazing style yeah but yeah so you were just saying earlier how you know getting away from the nfl you weren't sure if your body could do it it's a lot lot of pain, a lot of stuff that, you know, aches every single day.
Is it harder being a podcaster, though? Yeah, my back hurts way more podcasting. I'm seated more.
Yeah, like I feel awful every day. If I don't work out, I feel worse than when I did playing football.
Oh, I don't work out. I'm not making that up.
I always feel bad, yeah. They're going to do a study on podcasters.
I think it's going to be be like they're gonna have to make a movie about it's gonna be an epidemic these guys yeah they really put their lives on the line watching football 12 hours every sunday like this sedentary lifestyle yeah this is yeah if cte is from repetitive hits to the head yeah what's the podcaster's brain function where they just never got their heart rate up enough to get the blood up to the head. Yeah, exactly.
I'm never operating at 100%. Really strangling yourself, yeah.
Wait, so Travis doesn't give you shit about the Super Bowl. Does your wife give you shit about her podcast being more successful than yours? Oh, all the time, yeah.
That sucks. Yeah, hey, it's all going to the same account.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
It's a team win. Yeah.
Yeah, right. It's success across the board.
Yeah. It seems like you guys enjoy it.
You guys are crushing it. Yeah.
I mean, it's been, yeah, I think the podcast on both sides has been amazingly successful and we have a lot of people that help us out with it and that's's been fun. I think that, like, we didn't really know.

We're still working out, like, the scheduling of everything.

Like, I think that that's the reality of – one of the things I do miss about football is, like, everything is, like –

it's almost like the military where every hour of your day is scheduled to the T.

And when you're in the podcasting world, at least for me, you guys may be way more dialed than I am.

But I feel like you're more – between that and ESPNn and all this stuff you're kind of all over the place yeah like oh hop on a zoom here i'll go do this we can get this guest at this time yeah i'll be there for that and i think that when we're both in that kind of realm we've kind of had to figure out how do we like bring organize to this chaos right right so that's been a new experience but is there a part

of you that's like you're busier than you were when you're playing football i'm doing everything i'm like less busy but i'm more inefficient with my time okay like i feel like podcaster like like yeah like football like every every second of your day is busy or that you're working for and you're amazingly successful at utilizing your time and now i'm just like the biggest time suck i i lose so many hours because i'm like oh if i just like uh you know i got this in an hour so i'll do nothing for an hour yes that's what we've been doing for the last hour and a half there we go yeah so that's a lot of. Yeah.
Yeah. But it's crazy to see your career.
I mean, we were reminiscing. I don't know if you remember this.
You probably don't. But I think it was 2017.
Yeah, Chris Long. Yeah, we went to the Eagles.
I remember that for sure. Bears game.
And then we went to Bo Allen's house afterwards. You, Bo, Chris Long, and Brent Selick.
And it's like, you know, people don't know offensive linemen that well and it's just like now to think about how popular and and like incredible your post career has gone is insane yeah i mean back then did not expect this one bit yeah i don't think you said anything you were just sitting on the couch yeah i was just hanging out yeah i think at one point i made it drink drink a beer yeah um but i think yeah what were you even talking about we're just hanging out just hanging out yeah shooting the shit yeah i think um at some point you know seeing other guys have successful podcasts i just decided to try and do it and then we got lucky enough to play each other in a super bowl the first year i know it's pretty good and yeah and his dating life maybe helped a little too we've been trying to get hank to date Beyonce and Rihanna. We are probably trying to boost these numbers up a little bit.
We have a very good demographic diversity in our podcast. I would say so.
I would say so. Yeah, you got it.
Yeah, I sometimes click on my Instagram follows and it's like 99.9% dudes. Yeah.
Like, oh, okay. Cool.
I mean, you've done very well on well on the podcast game i think you understand how to poke the the hornet's nest sometimes but you apologize too much yeah that's the one thing you've told me the secretary thing you had a great take with the secretary like i agree with you i dm'd you right after i was like hey we bully night quest offline like don't fucking apologize. Do not do this.
We have to, we have to stick together. Like you have a good take.

That. DM'd you right after.
I was like, hey, we bullied Night Quest offline. Don't fucking apologize to this dude.
We have to stick together. You have a good take.
That fucking horse was doing steroids. We've heard from horse racing Randy Moss.
He's like the biggest proponent of the sport. He's like, yeah, I mean, he probably was.
They all were. It doesn't detract from his legacy, but we can speak honestly about it.
We should dig up his fucking corpse and give him a blood test and see what's what. Don't apologize.
And then you apologize to a dead horse. The dude at Penn State, we don't have to rehash that.
Shouldn't have apologized for that. That guy was a dickhead.
That was a soft apology. That was a dickhead.
You just got to stand. People love you and people have your back anyway.
If you say secretary did a little steroids, Who cares? It was funny because you were like heartfelt in your contrition. You were like, I know that there's a lot of fans of horse racing out there.
I did not mean to denigrate the sport and the passion that you so clearly have for a legend. No.
No. Fuck that.
The horse was juicing. Yeah.
I hit you up right away. I was like, dude, don't apologize.
Do not apologize. I was like, we have have your back have you ever seen secretary's balls have you ever seen his balls uh no that's right because they're so fucking small you ever see him you ever see him fucking swing a bat guy could hit it 550 feet just promise us that you won't apologize to any more horses yeah all right i will agree to that and yeah we could be apologizing is is difficult too because it just gets like clipped up and it doesn't accomplish anything you can't please everyone right anybody right yeah it's like guys i was just trying to be funny about a horse taking steroids i wasn't being that serious about it yeah and little do i know secretary it's like grandparents are yeah tweeting out messages I'm like, God damn it.
This is not what I intended. But that's all.
You'll just appease the five people that are actually mad at you, and then they'll just be mad about the next thing. No doubt.
So no more apologies. Just own it.
We could be apology police for you. If you have a thought of apologizing, run it by us.
I'm going to run it by you guys from now on. It was like, fuck no.
No, do not. No breaks.
That kid at Penn State was a dick. He was.
Back you up on that one. He was.
It was also great product placement. I thought it might have been a viral ad.
Yeah, we were so stupid in our podcast range. Was this planned? Yeah, we were like, oh, this is going to be a Super Bowl commercial.
I mean, it was a very perfect slap on the ground. You put that phone into the earth's corner.
Yeah, it was great. It was awesome.
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And now here's more Jason Kelsey. What do you say to the haters out there that are saying, oh, Kelsey retires and then Saquon Barkley sets every record ever.
Are the Eagles better without Kelsey? well i think they're definitely better with saquon barkley that's a good answer and i think cam jergens has been phenomenal this year uh makai becton has come in and been a big part of that opens line as well and for me as an undersized guy i always played really well with big guards next to me and i think makai and cam have played really well there's no question about it and they're a better unit physically than we were last year there's no question about yeah i think that was just me that said that i don't think there's actually any well i think that i think that they are i mean saquon barkley almost broke the russian title he would have broken the russian title if he would have played i mean yeah they're pretty fucking good. I mean, absolutely.
They still have Jeff Stoutland, Lane Johnson. I mean, Lane Johnson's been the linchpin of the line for a long time.
It was Jason Peters, then it really went to Lane Johnson. Jordan Malata this year has been potentially, I mean, I think he might have been the best tackle in the NFL this year.
And I say that, like, Lane is still the best pass-blocking tackle, but Malata does a lot of things in the run game as well. Both of those guys bookending that line have been unbelievable.
Yeah, no, that's just a little podcaster trick. Anytime somebody good retires, you just hop.
You try to be the first person to say, are they better without this awesome guy? That's how the takes work. Yeah, you've got to fire them off.
One thing I love about your career is you were an underdog.

And going to Cincinnati, changing positions, being a late-round draft pick,

was there ever a point where you were like, this might not be my future?

Because I always love those stories where people are like, yeah,

I actually had a sliding door moment where it's like, if this didn't happen,

I probably can't keep going and have the career I have.

Yeah, there's a lot of points. The big one coming out of high school was being a walk-on i'm like a walk-on linebacker and i had a grandfather who's actually low-key a piece of shit like i love the guy but he was a bad grandpa and like a bad person let me tell you that he's a good grandpa bad person yeah all right better grandpa Yes.
Which, hey, good job being a good grandpa. Yeah.
And he gave me a quote about persistence from Calvin Coolidge at the time. And it really just hit me smack dab right in the face when he gave it to me.
That's a good quote. Yeah.
It's like the world is filled with geniuses that don't work hard enough. Essentially.
And they say that they could yeah it's um wasted talent nothing will take the place of persistence talent will not the world is full of unsuccessful men with talent genius will not i'm rewarded genius is almost a proverb education will not the world is full of educated derelicts yeah uh persistence and determination alone are omnipotent right so it's basically like don't give up you pussy right and uh it was just a great quote and um i would i had like a lot of like division two offers and like a lot of division three like places i could go i was like you know what i'm gonna go try and walk on a division one program and see if i can't hang with these guys and uh ended up going to cincinn really just got in a lot of fortune to be honest with you like Paul Longo sorry beers get me Paul Longo was a strength coach that came with Brian Kelly and he's got movement offensive line if he would have never came to Cincinnati I don't know that I've ever been moved offensive line right because I had never played the position I didn't know how to fucking do it and he was like hey i've done this he did with joe staley at central michigan and then he did it with me and phil in uh in cincinnati before i came to philly and it uh that kind of sparked everything yeah got a starting job in college then you're undersized i got lucky that howard mudd came to philadelphia who worked with jeff saraday at indianapolis liked undersized offensive linemen so he drafted me and howie roseman and then uh i got fortunate to work with jeff stalin he's been the best offensive line coach in the past decade yeah so it's like it's kind of fucking crazy how really just that one little stupid quote led to me walking into like the most fortuitous situations over and over again, even though everybody else thought I was terrible or didn't think I'd make it. I kept getting these situations where it's like the right person kind of believed in me.
I love those stories, though, because I think there's the one thing I hate when people get very successful and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm just more talented than everyone. It's like, no, there has to be lucky breaks.
There has to be people that believe in you along the way to get to where you're at. And it's really cool to hear all those people along the way.
For sure. And nobody's so talented that they did it on their own.
Right. I mean, I guess maybe Miles Garrett.
Maybe Miles Garrett. It could have been.
I think Arnold in his new book, he's like, I'm not a self-mademade man i'm the opposite of a self-made man there's a bunch of people that helped make me to be like you know this successful you're right right and i think for sure most football players are like that most coaches feel that way because you realize especially in football like there's so many different things that you're relying on to do your job when are you going to start coaching when are you going to be the assistant offensive line coach? Is that in the future at all? I mean, part of me would love to do that. Yeah.
But that would be a significant pay decrease from podcasting. Yeah, podcasting pays well.
So I'm navigating that. There's also just a time commitment of those guys.
It's like, you know, I got three young kids, a fourth on the way, and I don't know that I'm ready for that yet. But I know that I would absolutely love it.
I love, like, the X's and O's part of it. I love being with the guys.
That's the thing I miss most about, like, do I want to play in the Super Bowl? Yeah, I want to play in the Super Bowl. I want to be, like, with the guys.
That's what I want. You know what I mean? And when you're not on the field with them, that's what you miss.
Yeah, for sure. You get to say we still about the Eagles.
Yeah, for sure. What about us? If I talk about the commanders, Big Cat talks about the Bears.
Yeah. We say we.
We feel like we're on the team. Is that cool? I'm fine with that.
As long as you guys are legitimately. Yeah, you have to be full in.
Oh, yeah. No, no yeah but i do like i do catch myself every now and then being like they when it's going bad i'm like wait you got to stay consistent yeah i think i might have said they early on in the eagle season when people were down and they're really not doing this well uh one thing that gets said about you a lot uh is that you're a better person than you were a football player.
People say that about me. Yeah, they say that about you.
Are you making this up on the spot? No, no. I've seen a lot of quotes.
He's an incredible person. But do you realize that's bullshit? We're here to tell you that's bullshit.
That's why I'm here. Because that would make you like, you're one of the top, I don't know, if you're in the Hall of Fame, I don't know how many people are in the Hall of Fame fame but one of the top thousand guys ever to play football you're not you're not one top thousand people to ever live well i can guarantee i'm not a good person i'm a piece of shit okay all right i just want to make sure because like we always say it like when people are like oh jj watts a better person than football player yeah dude he was a really good football player i don't think he's that good of a there's no no chance.
Yeah, like, you can't be that good of a person. He's a great person.
Dalai Lama? Yeah, right, right. I don't know.
I've never seen him with three-point stands. That might not have gone...
That didn't age well, did it? No, he licks boys. Yeah.
Fuck. That was a weird week on the internet.
That was a really weird week. He was just like...
It looked like he was, like, sending an envelope with a stand. Is there anybody that has lived up to being a good person? Like Mahatma Gandhi, apparently just loves sex orgies or something like that.
Yeah, it always comes out. There's something.
It's got to be just some random person that you never hear of. Wasn't there something like with Mother Teresa where there was some scandal? Oh yeah, yeah.
was a stat she she was a stat compiler i mean what

the fuck yeah i think she had some bad tweets she would she would like go into a hospital and just be like bless bless bless bless just like walk through the hallways room and she's like got another 200 today yeah another 200 souls in heaven yeah it was garbage that got added to her lifetime I'm dead serious.

You take out the garbage time.

The PFF grades suck.

I think Mr. Rogers, if Mr.
Rogers, if something bad came out about him, I'd be like, fuck, nothing's real. He's a one solid, him and Weird Al, I think.
Yeah, the best people are like, it's like some grammar in Toledo or something that no one ever has heard of. That's probably the best person.
There's no question. Yeah.
You're a way than human yeah i mean you were an incredible football not even not close no but people did always i mean it seems like especially in your entire career like you're you were a locker room guy would did you did you like take pride in that being like because you you know you had roster turnover year over year yeah where you had to play with tons of iterations of a roster where you're like i'm i take pride in being like the glue guy here a little bit um i don't know if you ever think about it that way you're just kind of like going about being a teammate and you i think when you've uh i don't know when you've been on the shit end of the stick or on low man on the totem pole, you kind of just have a frame of reference for that. And I think there's always people that you know that treated you well, that you looked up to, and people that maybe didn't do it as well.
And you're like, okay, how can I just be a good teammate, right? And I think that's, there's, you also find out, at least I did, I think, that a lot of the selfish things that happen in football specifically where guys get worried about another guy taking their job or they don't talk to young players, it almost never works out for the older guy. It almost always leads to something bad happening.
Right. And it's almost always the young guy ends up playing and the guy gets traded or cut so like i do think there's even like a bit of selfishness there of like hey like no it's actually good for you to like talk to this guy and like be in a conducive work environment you're going to play better as well right and like at the very end of the day if this guy's better than you he's going to take your job regardless right like it's an inevitable thing yeah you know what i mean so like you can either be a proactive member of this and that guy can then be like hey like that guy was really awesome to be young in my career or you can be a piece of shit and then that guy's still going to take her job and then you're going to be remembered as this douchebag yeah bitter didn't want yeah so and if you can teach somebody how to do something if you're like trying to be helpful show them the way if you can actually impart that knowledge you're learning more about it yourself right there's no person no question i mean we stout would actually talk about that like he would have guys older players uh describe plays to young guys because a big part of like learning something when you're teaching something you're actually reinforcing it to yourself right so like when you do that especially in the context like a group like everybody's collective thought on like what this play is becomes more solidified yeah so i firmly believe that like you teaching somebody else is actually helping you yeah it's really good and you're also gonna like i i even cam jurgens when he was a rookie landon digerson when he was a rookie you're gonna find stuff out from them that you can take even though they're rookies they still have frames of reference from the game and like college they're doing creative new shit all every year it's like oh okay that's how you guys did that and then you're like in your head okay well that's fucking stupid or you're like oh that's fucking really cool yeah try and do that yeah i don't know yeah i'm fascinated by the uh the transition you made when you go to college and you become a lineman and you're what a running back and a linebacker it's a linebacker primarily i did we were in a wing t in high school oh nice and i was a one of the wing guys and we would run the ball at me 98 of the time i was just a lead blocker in the wing fullback yes and every once in a while the entire defense knew that was happening right and we i get an audible jet sweep the other way so i averaged like 9.8 yards a carry because it was wide open that's awesome yeah but i was a linebacker so you you go to college and some coach is like hey we'd like you to play center yeah were you were you immediately like okay no i was in winter conditioning this is right when paul longo got hired and he said uh you know you make a good center one day i'm what the fuck is this guy talking about i've never played offensive line i'm 235 pounds i thought he was like just like fucking with me like calling me unathletic he's like a linebacker like that was his way to shit talk me for being like a bad athlete when i would thought you got fat over the winter like i get it i freaking put on a freshman 15 i'm doing um and then i was a walk-on in like three days into spring uh practice spring ball before we started hitting which was like the worst part of my game because we were just doing doing like seven on seven.
I couldn't cover anybody. Like I was a downhill, fill the A gap, Mike linebacker.
I was not like go, and this is probably why they move it off. It's a line, but three days in they did like, Hey, we want to try out offensive line.
So I do that for the spring. And then after that they came up and the offensive line coach, Jeff Quinn, I was like, Hey, we're going to center i was like well coach i'll probably just transfer like i don't think i'm gonna put on 60 pounds 50 pounds for free i'm gonna walk on i'll just go walk on someplace else right and they said well if you agree to go to offensive line we can't give you a scholarship in the fall but we can give you one in the winter like we're already filled for this next quarter right but the moment those guys graduate we'll put you on scholarship so that was kind of like a quick way that i got a scholarship after my first year that's yeah you got a scholarship yeah yeah yeah and then i just like loaded up on the double cheeseburgers and french fries and i had high blood pressure for a year in college because i was eating so that's incredible though that he just looked at you at you and was like, yeah, you'd be a center.
And, I mean, that's what Paul did. Like, again, Joe Staley at Central Michigan.
He did it with a bunch of guys at Iowa, too. Like, he had this knack of just looking at somebody's frame.
And he believed in, like, taking athletic guys and making them offensive linemen. Right.
That was, like, his model. Yeah.
I love that, like, character trait about a football coach where he just looks at a human being. He's like.
Sees his hips. Tight end.
All right. I don't know if it was the way I was moving or what it was.
Gotcha. Really? Everybody else thinks I'm way too small.
He's like, no, you're going to be good. Yeah.
All right. I got a very important question for you.
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Yes. If you had to bet a side in this game.
Had to bet. Okay.
Are we using points? Are we doing straight money line? Spreads one and a half right now. Spreads one and a half.
It's good. Yeah.
This was one because we were just talking about all this stuff on the pod, and I didn't want to touch anything with the game. I ended up taking.
You got a prop? Yeah. Yeah, we did a prop parlay.
I took Mahomes over on passing touchdowns and anytime hurts and then a coin flip. All right.
Wait, what did you do with the coin flip? I went tails. All right, good.
There we go. Good call.
Never fails. Absolutely.
Tails never fails. But it's – yeah, it's hard.
This one's a very difficult one. I could see it going either way.
I think the Eagles are really, really talented. But if the game's close, it's always just like the Mahomes factor.
I've seen it before. It's Mahomes, Andy Reid.
They've been there so many times. So I could see them getting out to a big lead and having a controlling game, the Eagles.
But I could also see it being really close because they got Spagnuolo.

They have a really good defense.

It's the dumbest analysis, but it's also the smartest.

Before, I think it was maybe the Chiefs-Texans game,

we were breaking it down.

I was like, I don't know, man.

If they need a first down, Mahomes will either run for it or it will find Travis Kelsey, and then they'll get it.

And then they'll just do that again, and then they'll win the game. Yep.
That's how they keep doing it. I know there's a lot more to football and the defense and everything, but it's like when you decipher it down to like the three or four gotta-have-it plays on offense for the Chiefs in this run has just been Mahomes with his feet or finding Travis.
And their defense is really good. They keep them in those situations.
If they didn't have a good defense, the Chiefs would not be a good football team. Yeah.
I mean, no team would be good without a defense, but, well, commanders were pretty good. Yeah.
We didn't have much of a defense. That's true.
We ended up being, like, average by the end of the season. They got a lot better by the end of the year.
Yeah. Bobby Wagner and, like, Dan Quinn did a phenomenal job.
We had a great goal line defense against the Tush Push. There you go.
Just jump over top. Yeah.
Just keep going offside. How much more awarded points? How much would that suck? Yeah, being Cam Jurgens, you get a bad back.
Yeah. And Lulu's just landing on you over and over.
Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, I think it's – yeah, they have a defense that's going to keep the game within a score, and they have a quarterback that is, like, the best of all time with the game that close.
So it's, it's hard to like pick against that. And that's why they keep winning.
Yeah. Have you, everybody thinks that the officials are on their side and yeah, you know, it's all rigged for them because how do they continue to win all these games? That one was real.
Yeah. That one.
Yeah. Have you noticed the difference in Sirianni and that like you, you obviously, you know, you saw him when he's an early coach.
He goes to the playoffs and goes to the Super Bowl. Last year didn't go so well towards the end of the year.
Yeah. Felt like he was kind of losing a little bit of the hold of the rope, but this year they've been incredible.
Yeah. Like, has he – do you think it's just him getting more comfortable with the job? No, I think they got better players this year and hired two really good coordinators.
Not that the guys weren't there last year weren't good. Right.
I think they have better players. Offensively, they signed Saquon, right? Defensively, all these young guys they've drafted have panned out.
Yeah. Quinion Mitchell.
Quinion, Cooper, Zach Bond in the offseason. Jalen Carter has really come into it.
Someone got even better from his rookie year. They have a lot of really talented players.
The young guys have panned out. Both of those coordinators have done really well.
I think Nick's been a great head coach since he's been there. He communicates really well in team meetings.
The organizational aspect of being a head coach, he's quite frankly probably the best I've been around. I mean, I was young when I was with Andy, so it's hard for me to, I wasn't like evaluating the head coach as like a rookie.
Right. I was like, yeah, yes, sir.
Yep. I'll go do that.
But like now having been through like four different head coaches, he does that very, very well. So I think, I think he was a great head coach last year.
There's just a lot of circumstances that led to a deterioration at the end of it.

Part of that's like the defense underperformed offensively.

Started getting crushed, couldn't handle blitzes.

Now they've gotten that structure back, and they're excelling.

And he also knows when to use his kids as human shields.

Dude, he's been doing that.

That was the best.

I felt so bad.

That was the funniest, most transparent move. I would do the same thing.
Poor Jacob's caught in the middle of this. I just can't wait if he does win the Super Bowl.
I really hope he brings the kids up on the podium. Just like this giant fuck off.
Here's a question for my kids. All right, so are you ready? We got a whole gang of Philly representation in the room.
Yeah, baby. Are you ready for some guest questions? Oh, fuck yeah.
Okay, so let's start with Roan. Roan, I see him.
He's already getting ready. Yep.
Roan's ready to go. I love that fucking sweatshirt.
You obviously feel it, but I don't think there's anyone in Philly that's more loved than you. Roan might be one of them.
Don't say that, bro. Roan is up there.
Don't say that. It's not true.
I think the thing about Jace is you look like an Eagles fan. Yeah.
I think if you were to take one guy in the NFL and be like, does this person look like he's from the city of the team. We did a look-alike thing yesterday with Marriott where there's like 25 Kelsey look-alikes, and there's been like all these look-alikes all the city i just i think i look like a lot of white guys that have beards and are kind of overweight the average city i'm very relatable but i do think pft's right it's like 101 dalmatians when the owners look like the dogs yeah you just slowly started looking more like philly it's like when she was on the jags i was like that dude he's from jacks fair enough but that's kind of what my question kind of leads into like delco delaware county has almost become like a national thing like people know about delco and then i see you on they call it late night and you're like rocking the tims and the hoodie yeah and it's like delco coded almost and then like the the Seattle stuff, like how has that informed your personality?

How did you kind of choose that as your tribe,

as opposed to living in a gated community in South Jersey or something like

that?

You're in the shit.

Yeah.

I mean,

I would not say we're in the shit,

but you're mixing it up.

You're at a bar in Seattle.

Yeah.

That's what I mean by it.

Well,

I grew up wearing the Timbs in high school. That was like like i wore a pair of sketchers one time to high school and i and never again i was like dude i gotta wear something better than this and all all the all the everybody who was cool as shit wore tim so i'm like i'm wearing tims from now on it's proportional to your body yeah that's the thing yeah i can't wear like running shoes that's right but um you know i don't know i think uh i don't i've always identified and like i just like hanging out with people that are freaking down to earth don't take things too seriously just want to you know enjoy life have a beer so yeah i was kind of trying to surround myself in those areas i wanted to uh be an upper darby actually and kyle was like there's no fucking chance we're living in upper darby that's what i said she's like our kid they have fights every day at school and i'm like that's that's the good thing we had that in my high school that was the best part yeah you learn more about life in a school i want to say say my kids are the most violent owners in a school.

Who are it in them?

No, like, Jason, we have three daughters.

Okay, that's fair.

Yeah.

I'm learning how to fight.

And then real quick, X's and O's.

So everybody's talking about the big thing in the offseason was, like,

the line calls are going from you to Jalen Hurts.

To Jalen.

Yeah, to Jalen.

So as you're assessing back over the season, how do you feel like he did?

And what did you do to kind of prepare him to take on that big role?

I think we've been like kind of jointly doing that for a long time. Now, I would handle it a lot at the line of scrimmage.
He would handle extreme situations, blitz zero, things that need checks. And now he's taking over for all of it.
And he's done a great job. And I think the biggest thing that's the most important with blitz pickup is that the quarterback knows where the protection is, and he has an answer if he's going to be hot.
That's the most important thing. And now he is so aware of all that that even when it's not picked up, he knows where to go with the football.
It's not a catastrophic situation. And I think that towards the end of the year, and especially if you're going up against a guy like Spaggs, who's going to overload you, if you aren't comfortable being hot, it's a bad situation to be in.
And I think that now they've handled that so much better. And the numbers seem to say that.
I mean, I don't remember exactly what they were, but I know early in the year the numbers against the Blitz were very, very good. So I think he's done well.
Yeah, I think so too. You're doing great too, brother.
Thanks, Ron. Appreciate your questions, Ron.
All right, Max. What do you call a group of people from Philly? You know how it's like a murder of crows? Douchebags.
John? But that's in a loving way. Yeah.
I mean, I love you the most, Max. It's a John, right? It's a John.
It's a John. Yeah, it's a John.
It's plural and singular. It's whatever, yeah.
You met Max over in Tahoe. We did.
This is a lot of meat on this couch right now. You are literally his hero.
You probably saw him in the Beer Olympics. I did.
He just cosplayed as you. Yeah.
Nailed it. This is a big moment for him.
It's a big moment for me. No, I'm cool.
His voice quitter. No, no, no.
Strong. Confident.
We have Jason Kelsey at home. Do you have a question? Yeah, no, I got a question.
I got a question. Have you decided what you're wearing for the game yet? No, this is serious.
This is serious. You're blowing this, dude.
No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
Because this is, I've talked to my friends.

I've talked to my family.

The one question that everyone wants to know is what you're wearing.

I know.

I don't know what I'm wearing yet.

I'm still figuring it out.

I was going to wear a Cher t-shirt to just like not wear anything Eagles or Chiefs.

Yeah, that's not.

Just go completely different.

Yeah.

I have not figured it out yet, no.

Just go shirtless.

Do you have recommendations?

Yes, Eagles.

Yes, that is my recommendation. I understand that, you know, Chiefs, brother.
Yep. We love family, but I mean, the city of Philadelphia.
There's some family there. Maybe get Big Dom to give you a track suit.
I could just wear a Big Dom shirt. Yeah.
Oh, that would be good. Big Dom's the best.
Big Dom's the best. We met him finally for the first time yesterday he told us he he just pared down his uh entire closet he only has 131 tracksuits i mean it's what he wears every single day it's like the funniest stereotype i've ever seen and lane johnson was very he was like i've never seen his legs he's like i don't think he'll let me either he's like i've never seen him run i've never seen his legs yeah i mean he's fully tracksuit every single day you see him yeah you go in there before the game

there's cannolis and like freaking uh chicken cutlet sandwiches i love the best thing i love

the life force behind the philadelphia eagles and i believe that yeah i i mean look at our record

when freaking he got kicked out of the game against sam fran yeah all of a sudden i mean

there's something to it yeah he's been a mainstay in philly for a long time yeah all right max you

I'm going to it. He's been a mainstay in Philly for a long time.
All right, Max, you got one over. All right, last question.
I feel like the most recent Super Bowl was when you became nationally known for a personality and everything. I feel like in Philadelphia, it was the parade speech.
Yeah, 17, yeah. That was, everyone knew we had a great center, but that was when it was like, all right, this guy is, you know, the face of this city as far as personality and everything goes.
What would, did you like have an idea of what you were going to say going into that and then just kind of went off of that? Or did you write everything down, like rehearse it? What went into that going into that speech that speech didn't write it down but it wasn't like off the cuff like um either because you know you win a Stroop Bowl and you're like you just think about this stuff so like the moment you win you're like thinking about everything you had to do in your career to get there and all these things that had to go right to accomplish that lifetime achievement and you're like thinking about that initially and then you start thinking about like oh my god like not think about nick foals and you know uh you know lane johnson like all these guys their career story arcs as well then you're thinking about even just like the season how a lot of these guys were kind of like misfits added in and you think about doug peterson howie roseman was just on the other side of the bill so like all that stuff starts going in. So I kind of knew – I remember, like, three in the morning, I, like, wake Kylie up.
I'm like, hey, what do you think about this? Like, I would say it. And she's like, will you go to sleep? Yeah, right, right.
And so I kind of knew what I wanted to say. I knew I wanted to kind of go through the coaches, then to Howie, go through the team and then draw back to Philly and that's kind of how it happened.
Yeah. Yeah.
Good job. That's it.
That's it. I love you.
Yeah. Love you too.
And then last one we got to eat. What are you wearing? Yeah.
Yeah. What are you wearing? I will be wearing my Eagles overalls underneath a black sweatshirt that Big Dom gave me.
Dang! So, I can't. Now my ass is just in.
It's out. It's out.
Big Dom. All right, good.
I actually like that butt crack is out for this. All right.
That's it. Good job, Max.
All right, Kate's last stop. That had everything.
Everything we expected and more, Max. You're all these people's heroes.
You know that. Kate is last stop.
You met at your event. Yeah, in Seattle.
In Jersey Shore, yeah. Yeah.
Oh, my gosh. This is going to be weird.
You got this, Kate. Oh, hi, Jason.
Hi, Kate. You probably remember me from the Eagles Autism Fundraiser last summer.
Yes. Where I drank so much that I donated $1,000 to play Flip Cup with you.
And then I lost. And then later that night, I had a full-blown panic attack because I had just yelled at Pat for buying a $99 beach umbrella.
We got into a huge argument. How are you doing? Doing good.
Good. Great.
Yeah, that was cool.

So my thing is roasting a little bit.

I've been on here before I roasted Chris Long.

Okay.

So I think you have tough skin.

All right, let's do it.

Here we go.

In 2007, the UC Bearcats won the Papa John's Pizza Bowl.

And here in New Orleans, you were in the 2010 Sugar Bowl. Oh, God.
Maybe it's time for a salad bowl. I'm just kidding.
I like my men how I like my Campbell's soup. Chunky.
Yeah. But wow, look at you post-retirement.
Podcasting, singing, late-night TV show, beer, commercials, NFL commentary. Flag, number 62, holding.
On to relevancy. Holy shit.
My God. Taylor Swift has songs like Blank Space and You Need to Calm Down.
What's it like to be such a big inspiration to her?

No, you know what?

I can't roast you.

I can't do this.

I don't know if you could tell.

I'm a huge Eagles fan and I'm a huge fan of you.

And I have an ulterior motive.

And this is genuine.

I want to become part of your inner circle so fucking bad.

I want to get in with your people.

Shout out Emily. Emily, your coordinator.
I've been texting her about kids stuff yeah we're super cool um so i thought you know my mom havertown grew up behind the minoa shopping center i'm sure everybody knows the minoa shopping center dad drexel hill down the street from maple lane's bowling alley you know um i pretend to be from delco you're from delco that's

a so i thought we could go over some things we both have in common and maybe you could decide

to like pull me into your inner circle all right instead i can't uh we've both lost rings you lost your super bowl ring in a pool of skyline chili and i got divorced once I don't know for sure

but I'd say

both an enormous amount

of pubic hair. It's true.
You played for the birds, and I've been told I look like Larry Bird. My mom also prefers my brother.
We won't say it out loud, but we both think Patrick Mahomes is a fucking dork. I know we do.
You were a fast, offensive lineman. Back in my prime, I was offensively fast with lines and men.
We're both obsessed with your wife. Yeah.
Big time. Definitely.
Someone got in your face to call your brother the F slur that used to happen to me too in high school but my brother was on the robotics team so it checked out wait there's more we both know what it's like to have haters yours because you're incredibly smart you're kind hard working and that leads to a lot of success people get jealous of that and mine is more of a personality thing people just kind of hate me because of who i am really though i admire you and your family so i have to do it sorry i admire you and your family so much I love that you stayed in Philly that you

continue to highlight the team in the city in such positive and fun ways all the time and what your family does for Delco and businesses there and the Eagles Autism Foundation is amazing and I just I just love you okay you're still fat though thank you

oh man

officially part of the inner circle

yes has to be

alright well Jason thank you oh man officially part of the inner circle yes has to be uh all right well jason this has been so much fun we have one last question roback question rho b-a-c-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take kate mentioned it um how does your wife deal with you because she actually i think is like a role model for all idiots out there like i know personally i i'm like look at him when my wife is like you're being an idiot i'm like but he's got his shirt off yeah i'm i've actually been told not to like i've done a lot of shit in my barstool career i told you about eating vomit uh yeah yep my wife literally the only thing she gets at was when i take my shirt off she's like just stop taking your shirt off really yeah she has an issue with that my pants i do everything she's like just don't take your shirt off why do you gotta do that nobody wants to see that like come on um yeah i have no idea how kylie puts up with me and i think uh yeah yeah you have to ask her emily do you know how does kylie handle me um emily yeah yeah she just tells them i think i think um i don't know we just yeah i don't really know how to answer that question it's just great i think i'm a i am a half neanderthal half 21st century human being that functions very much by the seat of my pants and luckily my wife puts up with me and loves me in a way that she sees my flaws and runs with them and yeah i don't know. That's about all I can answer for it.
You're real. I think that's what people love is you're real.
Yeah, I think the biggest thing that's a struggle is, again, like I am awful at sticking to any type of schedule or knowing what I'm going to do. And when you have three kids and a fourth on the way,

that's like the number one thing anybody wants.

So that's the biggest thing.

But outside of that, she doesn't care that much when I take my shirt off,

except for the one time I did in front of Taylor.

It was Buffalo.

I'll say that.

Your performance at that game, it was perfect because you were obviously hammered.

You were having a great time.

Very, yeah.

But you also didn't do anything embarrassing.

Like, you just, all you did was skyrocket to the top of, like, most average dudes, like, number one guy they want to drink a beer with.

Yeah, I find most of the time when I do embarrassing things, it ends up positive.

It could have been way worse.

It does.

It could have been way more embarrassing.

I think most people like having fun,

people see that and they're like,

Thank you. things that ends up positive it could have been way more real i think most people like having fun people see that and they're like man like as long as you keep having fun i just like i've always on i've always watched uh the buffalo games and like i love when fitz takes his shirt off and like any fan outside in a snowy environment yep shirt off i'm like that guy's fucking the coolest dude on the planet.
Yeah. I don't know why, but I fucking like that.
Yeah, I agree. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to fucking do that.
Yeah. But I can't do that in the suite.
I'm surrounded by heat, so I got to jump out of the suite so that this makes sense. You get the real feel.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That actually makes perfect sense.
All right, well, Jason, thanks so much, man. We really appreciate it.
You got a ton of huge fans here. Keep crushing it.
Thank you. But don't crush it too much.
You have football money. This is our livelihood.
How many podcasts do you have a week? What's your schedule? One a week? Just chill. We're doing one a week.
Just chill out. One every other week? Chill out.
One every other week. This is our livelihood.
You're doing this. You parachute it in.
Come on. My culture is not your costume.
Just relax, okay? Well, I think we admire everything you guys do. I think your show is fantastic.
Max, pleasure to sit on this couch with you. Kate, pleasure to be roasted by all the Philly people and non-Philly people associated with the show.
I'm a huge fan, so it's an honor to be here. Thank you, man.
Shout out Pug. Yes.
Shout out Pug. Damn Pug.
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It's the Schwamm. Chris Berman, before the Super Bowl, had to have you on.
Let's start with this. How are you feeling overall? Congrats on 45 years at ESPN.
Yeah, hardn yeah are we are we going to 50 well um hi fellas le raconteur le concha named after andres galarraga the big cat um and the commenter the raconteur the explainer um i never thought of that number until i did a couple interviews about 45 and i'm the first first at ESPN to get to 45, which, again, I don't know if that meant I climbed Mount Everest or discovered the North Pole or what it is. Yeah.
That was never a goal. And a couple of folks, like you said, well, have you thought of 50? I said, actually, I have not because that was never a goal.
But

we have our first

ABC's had Super Bowls, but ESPN has

their first Super Bowl in

a couple of years. I think they

want me around for that. I mean, I'm not saying they

should, but I think they do.

If I get there,

that's kind of 47 and a half

at this point.

Either tush push it or give it more Sean Lynch and get in the darn end zone. It really is.
So it would be cool. It's outside of ESPN just that many years in this business, which you know is a cutthroat business, and people are always trying to knife each other, and people don't last for this long.
It's a testament to you and your talent. It's incredible.
So I'm there there for 50 if you want to if you want to do a big party we're there for 50 i think this is the site i mean you guys have treated me like royalty i'm really not sure why but uh but i love it like i tell you i get stopped nine months later after we do the super bowl show and either tells me one of two things they go your show with a part of my tech guys it's great it tells me one of two things it tells me it was really a great show and they remember it or the rest of your shows are terrible I really haven't decided yet but I'm here to bail you out so 50 if they'll have look if they're stupid enough to have me I'd love to do it because I'm – It's football. Yeah, it's football.
It's football. It's football.
It's football. And then I come after football because I don't do everything I used to.
You actually now have the job that we really like lust for is that football, do football, and then after football, be like, hey, you know what? We're going to take six months. I'm going to play some golf.
I work pretty hard to do this. I know.
You deserve every second of it. You know, now I'm going to have to live a long time to play the golf if i can shoot my age i'm gonna have to live to about 87 okay but you know we'll see maybe we can lower that to 84 but thank you it is it was never a goal yeah and if we get into this with goals like i'm gonna do this i'm gonna be famous i'm gonna make this kind of money we don't get there no but once you reach the stage you the numbers in front of you have to think about it yeah it's not the the start at the start you weren't like 50 is my number but you're so close it's like yeah 50 would be magical we'll build a statue be the first well i don't need that but um well or some you put my face somewhere that they could throw darts at you know but but it would be a 50-year employee at espn there may not be another be another one.
Because times are different. That's what I'm saying.
This business is so hard. I'm in.
I'm glad you're in. Okay.
We got that going for us. We're in.
It's a party of three at least. And a party was the key word.
We love how much you love football. It's very clear that you still love football.
I don't know if the game has changed. It's obviously changed on the field, but like your relationship with it, your relationship with the game itself, it's gotten so much bigger.
All the media, all the marketing around it, there's a lot that is wrapped around football that's changed over the years. But in terms of you and the game, how you see the game, has that changed or has that kind of stayed the same stayed the same more than you think now that sounds goofy after what we've just said i mean my first super bowl just to put it to that was uh super bowl 16 the niners first one and you know the amount of media coverage i mean it's a versus z obviously and a different media so it's, what's surrounded? Even media day, 10 years ago, you still on Tuesday were in the stadium interviewing the guys.
Right. Now it's Caligula or whatever they have on Monday.
And it's okay. 10, 12 years ago, I did the draft.
Well, I did 35 of them. It doesn't make me good or bad, but but it's whatever the number is and until 10 years ago like the biggest we had seen radio city musical which is oh my god the history and it's 5 000 people and it's fun and now we have half a million you know 250 000 people outside maybe waiting for a name and in 30 degrees yep and okay well it'd be green Bay? I mean, how's that going to – well, I mean, it is April, but still.
Yeah. So, but the game itself, I mean, we're not getting XO.
I mean, we could do that, too, because the Chiefs are a perfect reason to go XO, comparing them to the great teams that repeated.

That's actually fun when you think about it.

It's still the last game, I think.

Okay, you guys are in at 7.30 in the morning.

Not like that's the worst thing.

There are plenty of people that go to work at 5 a.m.

You're in and you're going to know the game plan.

So there's still a lot of old world. Wrong term.
No, but you're right. Older world.
This is the way it's still set up week to week when you get there. I mean, the money and the this and the fame and this is all different.
But success, they still, and look, they'll play 18 games. If it's not next year, it's a year after or whatever and they'll play in australia and they'll play whatever but at the end but still not playing 162 games or or 82 games every week matters it does you can have two off weeks and you're still okay yeah but you better not have four yeah yeah and that's still you know the coaches go to work kind of the same way they They look at these films or whatever they're on now, you know, on Tuesday nights when the players are, you know, their day off.
That really hasn't changed. So it's changing the way they do it, but not that they do it.
Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. So I kind of like it.
There's still a, and when I see a pocket passer, which we don't't i still think of the first videos i'd see of johnny and itis you know like or namath who was my guy who i grew up with and when there's a perfect pocket and it's a pocket play and of which the minority now right yeah i see it it's like oh or i see an old-fashioned screen old-fashioned screen it's everyone i go back and you're in and you thought oh my there's when we watch the games on sunday it's like you guys do and my favorite is when paul demore does it to ricard okay the fullback yeah i always beg john harbaugh like come on this is a week you know, give me one. And it's like the ball floats.
And he's not mercurial. He's not Lamar Jackson catching a screen pass.
And then the three blockers you can see on TV. Ooh, this is set up great.
And I still remember those plays. Again, it's a long answer for, I'm still excited.
I still think there's a lot of similarity yeah baseball's i think football still holds the most to maybe 45 years ago if that's the right thing to say yeah it's still about toughness it's still about yeah yeah they get they tune you know they can change the game they can make certain hits illegal it's harder to hit the quarterback all this stuff but anybody that says like oh they're they're turning to flag football, it's try stepping out on the field. It's harder to hit the quarterback, all this stuff.
But anybody that says, like, oh, they're turning to flag football, try stepping out on the field. Watch the pro ball.
Watch the pro ball. It's a very violent sport.
So you mentioned the Chiefs. You are a student of the game, historian of the game.
If the Kansas City Chiefs win on Sunday and they complete the three-peat, are they the best team of all time if not who do you have oh that's a tough one because we're we're in the world of the goat again the team is not that what that's some other it's never been done it's never been done no no so here's the thing and of course their fourth one's not that far back if they get it yeah Philly is the best team they're going to play. I mean, this would be rough.

We'll get to the game for them.

I majored in history at college, which neither here nor there.

Did I go on to be a Rhodes Scholar?

No.

I'm saying I majored in history as well, didn't use it at all.

Well, no, I do.

You've got to say. Oh, I don't.

Well, we're in the United States, so you've got to know who, you know,

Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson. I throw them in every now and then.
George Washington, he's on the dollar bill. And Andrew Jackson in Mississippi, New Orleans, you'll hear him this week.
I'll trot him out. Okay.
So, first of all, I've been thinking all year that we might see it.

But certain things had to happen for them to get to this place.

Last year, they won for the first time, but they beat Baltimore,

Buffalo and then Baltimore on the road.

I don't think their defense is quite as good as last year.

They would probably admit that and say that.

It's still better than the one that won the first time.

But their offense was better than it.

Their passing game was better.

I don't know. as last year they would probably admit that and say that it's still better than the one that won the first time yep but their offense was better than their passing game was better i think and they also knew that they did not have to beat both by working their tail off and blocking field goals and having the raiders fumble the snap and doinking it in off the upright and and the size 15 shoe on Baltimore is with a size 13 foot.

I mean, we could go on and on and on.

Oh, they're lucky to win.

Well, all that got them home,

and they did not have to play both Baltimore and Buffalo.

I don't know that they could have gotten through the two of them on the road like last year.

That sounds like I'm saying they wouldn't have won.

No, but you're right.

I don't know that they would have. Yeah.
So are they the best team of all time? The fact that you won three and Pittsburgh won two, but four in six years, I still look to them. But then again, I was young.
Yeah. And football was different.
And the difference, well, because Mahomes is constant, the coach is constant. I mean, I really haven't thought about this.
Yeah. That question, which is great.
Yeah, because it is history. Chelsea's the same, but.
Chris Jones. Yeah, Chris Jones.
But there are not a lot of others. Whereas Pittsburgh, although that was two and then not, and then four and six years, you didn't change rosters because you couldn't.
Right. They played until they were almost too old.
Right. Because other than the draft, you're not, there's not, where are we getting players? So guys who were in their 12th and 13th year, I mean, the Steelers were kind of 78 Steelers for one year, it kind of come to mind.
So best team team meaning in a five or six, seven-year span or best single team?

Because the Chiefs might say we've had the offense that won the first one,

which remember they trailed by 10 in the fourth quarter of San Francisco

or whatever it was, 11.

It was 10, I think, right?

10.

But they had younger Mahomes, younger Kelsey, not necessarily better actually not probably but still them tyreek hill um and sammy watkins they last year they couldn't catch the ball yeah i mean right until they until they had to yeah right so so So I'm taking a long time because I want to give you –

so the fact that they would win three in a row,

does that put them ahead of any other three-year span?

It's such a funny question, too, because, like you said,

this individual team, you could make the argument

that the 16-0 Patriots were a better team than these Kansas City Chiefs,

but look who's got the opportunity to win three in a row. Correct.
And it's just going back, you know how hard it is to get back up because it's never happened. There's been great teams.
Cowboys won back-to-back. The Patriots won back-to-back.
There's these great teams in the history of the NFL, but to be able to get back off the mat again and put together this season,'s incredible it is as you guys know no one's

ever made it back to the super bowl yeah i mean you would think one of them would have but a lot of times they ran into a team that was going to win the super bowl right miami that's going way back uh well that was the sea of hands excuse me pittsburgh got beat by oakland one of the times and Oakland won that first Super Bowl.

So, because... Pittsburgh got beat by Oakland one of the times.
Then Oakland won that first Super Bowl. So because they're not blowing teams away, the easy argument would be, well, wait a minute.
Did you see those Patriots? Except they don't have a championship. They almost eliminate themselves in the last minute, I guess, in this discussion, although they were great.
The Bears of 85, which is for a one-year team, that was like, whoa, obviously. The 49er team, they went 15-1 the year before that.
More recently, New England. What would I say their best? Well, their most wow team, because they scored 50 every week, was the 07, right? But team of the run was 04 of those three and four years was 04 they had a big running back they had cory dillon which did not have the other two years in 01 or 03 and brady was better you know than he was in 01 although hard to get much better than clutch etc sounds like i'm dancing around the answer because I don't know one-year team.
It's hard to – but yet – It's the totality of it. But here's the thing.
Actually, we should throw that all out the window and say the following. No team ever even made it back to the Super Bowl, and they've lost one game since Christmas that they played everybody.
It's pretty insane. So if you just say that, you don't care if it's 50 to 3 yeah i don't know do you think how about this how about not using the word best the greatest yeah i think it's it's it's and andy obviously there's a lot of parts to a football team but i think it puts andy reed and patrick mahomes specifically at a different level because of that just accomplishment that has never been done.
And we know how hard it is to get back there. So if they do it, it's going to be one of those, wow, we probably won't see this ever again.
I don't think we will. Just because of the way, you know, it's been the longest run, 20 years from New England.
We've never waited this long. You know, with the way rosters shift, like in the 70s, they didn't change.
So if you were Pittsburgh, you're also playing Oakland and Miami, but you know what I'm saying. They were very...
I don't think we would see it again, at least in my lifetime. You guys are young.
I mean, you just turned 40. I mean, I have socks older than both of you, okay? It does rain in the basement.
It gets wet. You have to back up.
But I'm not... Of this run, and they haven't beaten Philadelphia yet either, by the way.
Their defense of this run was the best last year because they had Sneed in addition to McDuffie. Although those young although those young ones have gotten better.
So when Chris Jones takes three guys, Carl Loftus and Leo Chanel, Chanel number five, good perfume. Badger hasn't lost a playoff game.
Those guys that are drafted in 2022 have not lost a playoff game. Yeah, that's pretty insane.
When you say that, and by the way, Mahomes is 17-3 in the playoffs. It's crazy.
Bart Starr was 9-1. Mahomes is next in percentage.
9-1. He lost the first one, by the way, and won the other nine.
I wonder what Brady's going to say during the game if the Chiefs win and if they win convincingly. Do you think Brady's going to take a moment and almost put Mahomes in his place historically? Is he going to want to do that I I think so I don't think Tom is so wait a minute nobody's approaching me I think I know Tom some have I talked to him this year really not but if we'd see each other we would but we go back to oh one I think Tom always felt embarrassed that he was put prematurely ahead of Joe Montana if you just want to to say one.
Of course, Joe was his hero, right? He grew up in the Bay Area. So Tom lived it from the others.
I don't think he's going to be, well, nobody's approaching me. I don't see that in Tom.
What would be the purpose? It's a good question. I think what he would say is the kind of stuff that Teddy Bruschi says week in and week out on our morning show was a really good show they had this year I mean in my old show but I have nothing to do with it I mean I did a few interviews and I got a piece Sunday on the other eight teams who tried to three-peat him what happened to him I already did that but we'll see hopefully it.
I don't know. I recorded it.
I don't think the fact that they find a way to win and they expect it to win and maybe the backup left guard also expects, so he's in there in the fourth quarter. We don't even know if it's going to be Patrick or if it's going to be going to block a kick.
We expect to win. And we expect the other team maybe to make a mental error somewhere.
That's all it takes. Somewhere.
Change their game plan a little bit. Just a little, which sometimes, oh, they changed at the last drive.
They didn't suspect that they won. Yeah, but every time.
Look at the championship games against the Chiefs. Buffalo played great.
Yeah. Yeah.
That catch with Kincaid, he's getting a tough play, okay? But the call, did he make it? Forget it. But did – we always cook on the last series.
I know. Again, but I don't want to say how foolish are you.
It's not for me to say. It's just it worked out.
We said it. Baltimore gave up the run pre-Derek Henry last year a little early.
In retrospect, it was only a 10-point game. Yep.
A little early. I'm not saying that that makes Sean or John or their offensive coordinators.
I'm not saying it. It's just sometimes we're going to make a change because – and Spags is ready for that.
Yeah, and it's also the testament to the Chiefs' greatness is they make teams panic a little, you know, where they will do something different because they're like, we're playing the Chiefs, we can't make mistakes, and then they get you in that – like the Baltimore game last year, the AFC Championship game. I thought the Ravens panicked.

I think so.

Bill's not so much. No, the Bill's not so much.

The Bill's, I think, it was a couple plays,

and the few wrinkles that Spaggs put in, that Andy Reid put in,

that's sometimes the difference.

That's why the game is so much fun to watch,

because you just don't know what's going to happen.

Which leads us to a thing, and I'm not trying to lead the witness here.

I mean, you guys are interviewing me, but mistakes mistakes philly in the playoffs is plus 10 yeah yeah chiefs are actually minus one which doesn't mean anything but took the chiefs all year to get a plus yeah which again defies but you didn't lose any games yeah so philly it comes in i would think pretty darn confident that we're not going to make mistakes. No.
I mean, because they have not. I mean, by the way, they've lost one game since October 1st.
Yeah. They've lost one.
They have the Bucs game week four. September.
September was the last time they lost a game that Jalen Hurst finished. Correct.
The whole game. Very good.
Yeah.

So it's pretty crazy. I mean, their defense is lights out, and Vic Fangio's lights out.
Do you want to give us your pick? Let me say the biggest thing in the game that, obviously, duh, Saquon Barkley plays for the Eagles, and he ran for 2,000 yards. Duh.
Duh. Duh, duh, duh.
By the way, in the playoffs, 2.05, 1, he averages whatever it is,

6.7 yards a carry.

The line, oh, he's hurt the center.

No problem.

Now, I find this the most intriguing part of this game.

Look, Steve Spagnuolo has been around a long time.

Andy's been around a long time.

They all have a hand in the defensive game plan,

all those Spags.

You haven't seen game plans to show back to,

not that we're going back to the 40s

or the 50s and 60s with Jim Brown

or even the running backs with,

where, ooh, is it 2000,

or in Henry's case, 1900 yard900 yard back. It's been 10 years since Adrian Peterson.
Somebody like, whoa. Yeah.
Okay, well, if their quarterback plays great, then God bless you. You're going to beat us.
Here's a game plan. It's not, oh, they have a good passing attack too.
They like to go to you. The other team likes to go to you.
I get it. But, okay, this is a different – how do you – and they play good running backs.
They're running backs that are good, but not this good. Right.
With this good a line. What kind of game plan are we going to see? And the three of us aren't going to be smart enough where you guys might be.
I'm not going to be smart enough on TV or I'll be at the game, but what you least see oh they're playing this linebacker to come up and chip i you know i i don't during the game i'm not that smart so but how does it turn out is there a number that you got to keep him to i don't think that's the case like when buffalo beat henry he was under 90 right 85? 85, 86, 84, whatever it was.

So, okay.

But if he gets 120, which, by the way, is not a lot to ask,

is that enough to tip it that we haven't made game plans like this?

Yeah.

Not with my team.

I find that interesting as hell.

I think it matters a lot how he gets that 120. So he breaks off a 70-yard run in the first quarter, scores a touchdown, kind of bottoming him up a little bit after halftime.
I think, yeah, the Chiefs should be able to win a game like that. But if it's just constant, you know, he's breaking off nine, 10-yard runs.
They're getting in the fourth and shorts and third and shorts. You know it's going to work.
Yeah. also feel like if the chiefs win and and the defense shows up and there's you know a couple splash plays here and there like we've seen from the chiefs spagnola should be a hall of famer as a coordinator absolutely i know they don't do that for just coordinators you have to be a head coach but if if you're the dc for a team that wins three super bowls in a row in large part because you dial the right things up at the right times put that man in the Hall of Fame well he's done it you know had Bill Belichick never been a head coach which is a big if now of course but he already you know was on that path himself with the Giants game plans against Buffalo you know we're gonna Thurman Thomas they're not gonna we're gonna hammer every receiver and if Thurman Thomas gets 190 yards, which about he did.
Yeah. In about 19 minutes or whenever they had the ball.
But I agree with that. I mean, that's – why can't they? Yeah.
And Potter never got in. Duh.
Ray Guy was great. You know what? He's now the only one.
Yeah. There's others.
There's others,'s others. I agree with that.

It's just different from a football.

No one's really, because the running back is like,

oh, we remember that running backs are good.

Yeah, this year especially, yeah.

Right?

Yeah, it's been a really cool shift to watch

because it's a lot of the two high safeties

and being like, all right, you've got to beat us

with going down the field 10-yard drives, and now running backs are the light boxes. Running backs had a resurgence this year.
It's been fun. Yeah.
I like it. And, of course, the Eagles love run blocking.
Do they pass block right now? Hurts threw the ball great that last game. He did.
Of course, a lot of short fields they had. I mean, so what? I went back to the Super Bowl two years ago.
Doesn't make me a genius. We can all

look it up, right?

You know, Hurts was, we remember,

great that. He was incredible, yeah.
He was better

than he's played since, right?

So, the

receivers are the same three.

One caught seven, and I'm going to

forget whether that was the Slim Reaper

or it was A.J. Brennan.
It might have been Smith,

Brown, and Goddard. I think it was 7-8, 7-6-6 catching.
Supposing they do that again? Yeah. While Barkley runs for just a pedestrian 1-10, and Hurts runs a little.
You know, let's see what happens. Now, what has Fangio – okay.
So, Kelsey caught a ton against Houston.

If we just look at the playoffs, he had it off your 97 catches.

Just stop.

Okay.

Houston, he caught a ton, right?

Yeah.

Buffalo, I think two?

Yeah.

They kind of took them away.

So, where does this go?

Is this six?

And what are the six?

And who then on the Chiefs beats them? And we know what the answer is going to be in a minute. But what receiver? They're kind of, the way they've evolved this year, especially with, you know, Hollywood out, he's back, but we'll see, you know, Rice out, and they were cultivating him.
And if Kelsey isn't, oh, my God, we can't cover him.

And I think Philly's pretty good at all levels.

So I'll give you a prop.

Oh, I like it.

Maybe not the first one because we were on it.

You nailed it last year.

And he didn't score first, but he scored, which was a great prop.

We caught the ball.

Yeah, yeah. I like where you're going.
I like it. I love it.
It would be plays inside red zone and maybe what they call the inner red zone, or there's another name for it. Okay, you'd be at the 12.
Yeah, the goal line. Yeah.
I mean, that's – DeAndre Hopkinsre Hopkins. Because he's – can he get open the way he used to on a 40-yard pattern? Maybe not.
He still could. He's DeAndre Hopkins.
Still tall with big hands. So what do we see down there from the 12, from the 7? We haven't seen it yet.
There's, I think, that's the sort of game that the eagles are going to give them kind of you know dink and dunk plays and the chiefs are going to trust themselves not to turn it over okay now we're at the seven we're going to eight three guys on kelsey yeah duh right and then and then well that leaves hop up yeah I like it I love it DeAndre Hopkins has been such a good player for such a long time and he's played on some terrible teams he's had some really bad years in his career just in terms of having to show up every day and and still you know he's still always been a professional but in some situations where it was a little bit harder to do, this has got to be like he is so focused on this game.

This is what he's worked for.

This is why he's done it all these years.

And he finally gets a chance.

He's a little bit older.

He can still catch the ball.

He can catch the hell out of the ball.

I like that pick a lot.

I also like.

A touch shot.

Not necessarily a touch shot.

I love the pick.

Who would be Philly? I also like on Philly. I like Goddard.
Love it. He's underrated.
I like Goddard. He's leading their team in receiving yards these playoffs.
Whose birthday is it next? He's just been an absolute beast. Saquon's birthday.
It's Saquon's birthday. Did you know that? On the Super Bowl? On the Super Bowl, yeah.
On the Super Bowl. And Cooper DeGene.
By the way, how did Howie Roseman draft the last few years? Yeah. Those two DBs, the kid from Toledo.
Quinton Mitchell, yeah. Mitchell, and then Carter and the guys up front, either two years ago or three.
They've remade that defense. There's not a weak bond trade.
But I like where you're going with Goddard, too. They were a better passing offense than they've been in December, you know, with him back, right? Yeah, I bet all his props the last three games is just do it again this game.
The season kind of turned around down in New Orleans on that one breakaway run that he had, too. Yeah were that game was not in hand they looked like they might lose that one and the season was kind of shaky early in the year yeah he's making some weird decisions it was uh that was a moment that kind of shifted the entire season around for him that's a good call especially since they reminded me after they won there you know we never win in new orleans yeah I mean you could look it up i'm sure they'd want to but he goes we'd never win and the saints had scored 91 points in two weeks we we barely remember that team right then what happened well they got in their own way yeah but but that was a big win do you know that how about this is an interesting one i just thought of this the first game of the year was Chiefs, right, in Baltimore, Thursday.
Second game of the year was in Brazil, Philly. They're still playing.
Yep. They're still playing.
Yeah. That's a lot of football.
That's a lot of football. It's a long season.
I like where you went on the touchdown of Goddard. I like that.
I like our two picks. I'm betting all the Goddard props as well.
Yards, catches.

It's going to be a big day for Goddard.

Big day. Big guy, good hands.

You know,

there's just a lot

to see.

And then the other thing I would say,

back to Spags for a minute.

So the blitz

that he called, that then Josh

had to throw, it made it catchable,

but he didn't

Thank you. Back to Spags for a minute.
So the blitz that he called that then Josh had to throw, it made it catchable, but he didn't. It was a tough play, right? He didn't.
Now, McDuffie didn't get through, but that allowed Karloftis to get through. Just like the one late in the Super Bowl regulation last year that McDuffie did come through, Purdy had to throw it in the dirt and they kicked a field goal.
Other than, like, maybe maybe go ahead by saying then the chiefs only got a field goal at the end of senate in overtime it's not the same blitz but with it but when is it coming yeah when is it coming and what is it coming yeah you know vick doesn't he doesn't blitz as much by the way as we say that yeah he might yeah but he sends one, because that front, so you send four on the one. It leaves him pretty good coverage.
But the reason, okay, so I think the Chiefs win because the guy I call, he likes this, the electric eel. That's Mahomes.
When he runs, he slith what i mean it's like it's not a run oh it's an rpo and we're rolling out with patrick the two runs against san francisco after we hurt the ankle right the run last year late by the way fourth and one yeah in the you're down by three you get stopped see you later congratulations 49ers yeah not four yards it wasn't even up and i looked up to the line slowly and i asked him so i mean did it occur to you that you know like the game's over if for example you even yeah the snap and you're trying to run behind false step yeah He's like, no, I knew we had to convert it and we would. Like, really? Like, that's quite an answer.
Yeah. It'd be an answer like I would get from Tom or from Joe Montana.
Yeah. So, you know, you look at stats, you know, Mahomes, six for 42, which is good to win.
And it's always's always okay you got a lot a slither for those five extra yards oh it is a first down even though it's third and 12 yeah he got 14 not eight and we can now punt him in the corner yeah it's just it is it's no one looks at him as his running because he's not lamar. He's not Josh.
He's not name your guy, right? But when the playoffs come, he makes those big plays. It's so much fun to watch.
Now, that being said, Philly's going, you're not giving us our due because I think they have the least questions, maybe even less questions than the Chiefs of any team in football. Yeah, top to bottom, their roster is lights out.
So wait, what was the score? Well, the score that I'm going to print, but for your show, I'm changing it. Because we need the Schwamm score.
Because you got on me last year. So the one that you'll read.
I've told you, it's because when I was a kid and I was watching and you would do the scores and I'd be like, what is that score? And then I'd see the little arrow next to it and that's like, oh, okay, point spreads, oh like i loved it 80 the rams were playing brett farm i had like 85 82 yeah but somebody covered i had the arrow you know like what is he an idiot well 22 18 i'm telling you a lot of points okay yeah don't get so literal or three to two i used once a long time ago because why not right a running knife yeah um

so you'll see in print because i wrote a thing but it won't be out till friday your show probably

run before so you'll see 27 24 kansas city you'll see it but for this show for this show we're gonna

go because if you have these squares you're upset really, really. 29-26, right? Same spread.
Oh, I like it. Yeah.
You know, 29-26 Chiefs. I somehow think that's a little high.
Yeah. But they're going to be upper 20s.
How do we get there? What do you guys think? How do we get to 29? Well, I hadn't got that far yet. I'm walking up here to do this show.
I said, I can't give them 27, 24.

I can't do that.

These guys will run me out of the building.

29.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I have a future on the Eagles.

I think my squares are 2 and 1, which are the worst numbers possible.

I want 21.

So maybe 32, 31 Eagles?

Yeah, anything's possible.

That's a weird score.

Well, that's about –

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, how do you get to 29? there's got to be a safety in there somewhere yeah right i don't know maybe it's maybe it's 21 and then a two-point conversion yeah you said 29 26 29 26 so if it's 29 yeah you go for two ones but that's four. Yeah.
Now, Elliott has missed some extra points in the Super Bowl. He's a very good kicker.
A lot of the good kickers had bad years. Not only Tucker.
It started hot, and then it started to – Right. And everyone started missing.
But he's made all the field goals, but he's missed three extra – maybe that's – and they have to go for something in there. Yeah, so it's 29-26 Chiefs.
It's maybe 26-21 Eagles. Chiefs score, and they say, hey, let's go up three instead of two.
Of course. 29-26.
Of course. There it is.
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That was early 80s. You get a little baby and whatever.
But I can still root at any rate. I'm in the hotel, the Seahawks versus Denver in New York.
It's like Thursday. And there happened to be a lot of Seahawks fans, and they know that I like them.
But I picked them for the Super Bowl that year or I mean you know and oh we know you like us you know wearing the hats great colors the guy goes well I made two bets kind of wild ones I might have told you guys this I said okay what do you because I'm at that point you're not 10 years ago it's not as I not as prevalent as all the things you can bet.

Now, even though they existed, right?

First score, safety.

And whatever those odds were, like, okay.

And sure enough, the ball went over Peyton's head with 2-0.

I had the Broncos in that game.

It was not fun.

2-0.

It was not fun. I didn't cheer once.
Griffey hit a two-run homer right out of the gates for Seattle. Didn't cheer once.
The other one was, okay. He said, I also bet here's the odds on Denver.
Remember, they scored 600 and whatever points, right? To win by 20 or more, it could have been 21, but 20 or more, what were those odds? The team scored 600 points. I put money on the Seahawks to win by 20 or more.
I went, ooh, now let me think about, like your question. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, let me think how that could happen. Yeah.
Denver's going to get no points. I mean, you know, 14.
Okay, let me think about this. They're going to return an interception.
There's going to be a safety, which is only two. Yeah, yeah.
He goes, those are the two guys. I'd never met this guy.
He was in the lobby of a hotel. He had a Seahawks ski hat on.
I'm sure he happy a lot of money safety and seahawks by 20 it was a pretty big odds that they were gonna roll the bronco that's a hell of a bit i was like okay that always stuck in my mind yeah so to your point okay how do we get to 29 or 26 yeah i don't know i mean i don't know i'm gonna bet the exact score now i have. You're the swan.
You're the swan. You're the swan.
You'll see it. I gave 27-20, but for this show.
Yeah. And you're on Goddard.
For any score or first score. I am as well, yeah.
Any score, and I'm going to do Hopkins anytime touchdowns. I like that.
Yeah. And tails.
Tails is a big one. Also, here's a nice one I'm on.
It's like roulette. Tails never fails.
Yeah, just go with it. No doinks.
It's a hot bet. No kidding.
Was there a two years ago, he bet no doinks. I bet no doinks in the first matchup between these two teams.
Minus 1,000 were the odds on it. So I looked at it like an investment.
I make 10% back if there's no doinks. Were there? There was a doink.
I thought so. There was a doink.
Oh, sure there was. And it was bad.
Oh, wow. But I'm simply just going to bet more this year on no doinks.
The do theory. It can't happen twice.
Yeah. Lightning doesn't strike twice.
Actually, it does. And they've already, the Chiefs have doinked.
Yeah. Right? Yeah.
I mean, so they should be good for no doinks. I would think.
I would would hope so. You'd think.
Elliott? Have they doinked during the season? I don't know. The point you made about Elliott, you know, he's the most accurate field goal kicker in the history of the postseason, and he's the least accurate extra point kicker in the history of the postseason.
I did not know that. I think they're 4-0 when he misses an extra point.
Oh, well, it means they're kicking extra points. Yeah, right.
See, that's how you read. Yeah, right.
Okay, they scored a touchdown. Yeah.
Okay, so I didn't know. Well, not surprising.
I mean, I'm not saying he's going to have a bad. We thought Moody, you know, rookie kicker, he's kicking 57-yarders.
So no doinks. Is that the same thing? Minus 1,000.
Minus 1,000. thousand minus a thousand yeah 10 return on investment i mean try to find me better investment than that overnight so you gotta hit 10 in a row out of it say you made money i don't yeah that's one way that's one way to look at it yeah i didn't think about it that way i might be betting 10 times as much as i did the first time so he's making it all let it ride yeah i'm gonna Like a murder game.
I think that I found a system and a flaw in how gambling math is constructed, but in reality, I'm probably going to lose a lot of money. You're going to win this year.
I like it. I want to keep that in mind.
Here's another stat. It has nothing to do with my pick because if Philly wins, I will not be surprised.
I mean, I think the Chiefs are going to win because Coach Reed and Patrick Mahomes. It's not the magic thing.
It's just when you've won this many ways and you're confident that we're going to not all going to figure it out, then you've lost. But, like, no, something's going to happen.
The kid, the remedio, returns a kick. You know, Tony, two years ago with the punt.
Like, you're just this special teams. Something odd is going to happen.
But here's an interesting number. And, again, this is no reflection on Nick Fangio.
Nick. Vic Fangio, who's a great defensive coordinator, put his pelts up there, against the Chiefs on nine.
Yeah. Now, six were head coach Denver.
Yep. They weren't good.
And the Miami teams. Yeah, they weren't great.
Miami last year, too. And he was brought in as the consultant in the Super Bowl two years ago, which I forgot.
Oh. He wasn't the coordinator.
Again, this is not okay run because they're O and I. Nothing.
It's just, by the way, you think he's sick and tired of that? Yeah. So maybe he does dial stuff that he doesn't normally dial at a point in the game

that's just the right point.

One other thought.

Don't you think that Fox or whoever's doing the game, which is Fox,

you know, we've all invented the line, you know, for the first down line.

But for the Eagles, you should only have it nine yards. i have a green line seriously right um i just have it because third and fourth and one when we they should already be on the line yeah the tush yeah it's absolutely true does that make sense yeah i don't know if we brought this up last time but uh chuba hubbard and you called him the chuban missile crisis that's beautiful

was that a moment where you're like still got it like yeah the schwamm still got it because i thought that thank you when i heard it i was like still got it i didn't do it to be again american history so there you go yes there it is yeah i was alive then i was young seven i I mean, I didn't, you know, Kennedy, Castro.

I mean, the Chuba missile crisis.

Quietly, the year before, but he didn't have the year like he did this year, and then they won some games, and they upset a couple teams late in the year so you could use it. It wasn't that I still had.
It was like it came to my head in like eight seconds. Not while I'm doing it live, but the Chuba Hubbard.

Yeah, it's right there.

The Chuba Missile Crisis.

And that's the way they used to come when I was young and had a brain.

You know, like in the 80s and 90s.

So you still got it.

No, you still have it.

Thank you.

That's vintage.

Everybody hits the green every now and then from 150, okay?

I watched the interview with Bob Dylan.

He was like, I don't have what I had when I was younger was younger like i can't just spit out songs like i used to you can you can still find it well not as much as you guys do on your on your ode to me i mean i'll tell you where i i i don't know if this was last year or this is had just happened this year so i may have told you about it but we didn't do it on the show. I don't read Twitter.
I don't even know how to go, you know, whatever. But sometimes this stuff flows to me and I see it.
Can you believe Chris Berman is ripping off those two guys? I've read it just a few times. That's the best.
No, it's an ode. It's like, okay.
The other one that we laugh at is we do Mount Rushmore season in the summer and people, it's an ode it's like okay the other one the other one that we we laugh at is we do mount rushmore season in the summer and people and it's it's an ode to our fans who are the most loyal fans but people saying like whenever anyone else does mount rushmore season they're like you're ripping off part of my take it's like guys we didn't invent this this is not we're just doing something in the summer when you got nothing to talk about it's smart smart's smart. It's smart.
You still got it. It's our loyal fans.
No, and they want your take on it, obviously. Mount Rushmore is not easy.
As a matter of fact, I went to Seattle camp this summer. I'm close with the Seahawks.
I like them. They had a nice year.
Coach McDonald will be good. They're going to be okay.
They asked me for their in-house, and I think they put it on somewhere. I don't know.
I really wouldn't prepare. Who are the Mount Rushmore for the Seahawks? I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
How about Mount Rainier? Can we go with Mount Rainier, please? Yeah, yeah. And they went, whoa, that's good.
And then I gave them Steve Largent, Supreme Cortez Kennedy, And big Walt Jones and whoever else I said. But no, that's yours.
Take it. Even though they haven't put a new one up there.
Teddy Roosevelt. Yeah.
Oh, there's some. Never mind.
There's some rumbling. I don mind.
I don't even want to go there. I don't want to give it any – Jimmy Carter? Maybe Jimmy Carter? I don't know.
Somebody who's in now. Mount Rushmore.
Mount Rushmore. Come on.
What do – do you do a fastest two minutes after the Super Bowl? No. No, no, no, no.
I do primetime after the Super Bowl. So you'll see me like we did championship on ESPN, the regular.

And it's just interesting.

People go, oh, my God.

No, I've been doing primetime for like six years now.

Yeah, I know.

ESPN Plus, I understand it's $12.99 a month or whatever.

I make no money off it.

Listen, I watch it because I have ESPN Plus.

I got to watch every game. Well, I appreciate it, but it's like, wow.
Oh, I watch it because I have ESPN+. I gotta watch every game.
Well,

I appreciate it, but it's like, wow.

Oh, look who just walked in.

Who do we got here? Another Super Bowl legend.

Well, I don't know if I'm one.

Sit right there. He's a podcaster.
Sit right there.

He's a podcaster. Sit right there.

Sit right there.

Sit right there.

Sit there. Jules, sit in the seat

with the mic.

What's up? What's happening? How you been? I get up, but this couch is deep. Sit right there.
Sit there. Jewel, sit in the seat with the mic.
Talking to Mike, Jewel.

What's up?

What's happening?

How you been?

I get up, but this couch is deep. What's up, buddy?

What's up?

What's up, man?

Good to see you wearing a shirt.

Sit right down.

See, I'm overdressed for this.

He's a big-time AWL.

How good are you?

On stage at the Boston Garden.

I mean, you remember that?

Yeah.

You and me and Teddy and Flutie.

We had some good times. Boston, that was...
We were at the ESPYs. We were literally at the ESPYs in 2011, I believe.
Unknown Julian Edelwood. Unknown.
We went out to dinner. We went post somewhere.
We went to the little diner over there in the mid-Wilshire. And I was telling them, literally you got to go on this show part of my take these guys pretty much designed a show off of you i was probably a little hammered going a little different wait this was what year 2000 this is 2011 that's too early because 2012 then no yeah 16 is when we started yeah way That's all right.
Listen, hold on. Way off, way off.
Let me give you a broadcasting tip because I can still do that for you. Receiving you got.
Catches in Super Bowls you got. Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Exactly. If you tell me it's 2012, it's 2012.
But it was 2016, I think. 2016.
That's exactly what you were saying in the earlier. Hey, if you fly out to L.A., hey, what happened to the telephone? Can I just do it on the phone? I know.
But my kids are in L.A., so it'll happen. It'll happen.
My kids with little grandsons, they're out there. It's crazy that you came in here, Jules, because Chris was just telling us a second ago how if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, far and away the best team of all time.
I did not say that. I mean, they wanted to goad me into it.
However, I'm your take on it. Look, this is something that's never been done.
And if they go out and win this game, there's no reason you can't argue them to be the greatest football team of all time. Not only did they only lose two games this year, they're back-to-back Super Bowl champs.
And I've been in the situation when you win one Super Bowl and you go back to the next one. You're America's Most Wanted every freaking week.
Everyone is literally playing their best game against you. Dogshit teams that aren't supposed to play good play good against you.
This team battle tested if this is a close game i mean they're going to be the best football team of all time probably which is because they've won in various ways various ways you know yeah i mean some of the patriot teams won by 50 all the time but but when you win in the odd ways it's the odd ways but they've also won so much where you put yourself in a situation where you're not thinking about stats. You're thinking about what do we have to do to win this game? What do we have to do to have one more point than this team? The Rolex situation where the time's more important than the ball are the points.
All these little situations that we've all heard through the Patriots things and all that. Now, like you're watching it firsthand with the Kansas City Chiefs who dominate in all those situations.
May not have an electric guy. May not have someone that's going to blow the top off.
But they know how to execute when it's a high-pressure situation in those situations. It's the AFC Championship game that we just watched with the Bills where we were sitting in the gambling cave being like, you know, it's third and nine.
We're like, oh, are they going to kick a field goal here? Are they going to punt? And then I had to stop myself and be like, what am I talking about? They're going to convert this. I got to go, though.
I'm going to do Gruden, guys. I'm sorry.
Oh, hell yes. Well, he can wait for me.
I don't want to steal yours. This is you.
One thing. So you were still kind of relatively unknown.

It was Boston after the marathon thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Thing.

Right.

Bommie.

Awful.

Yeah.

Awful.

And Boston Garden had what Master's Court Garden did like after, you know, 9-11.

And all the great, you know, Aerosmith, Stephen Tyler, and James Taylor.

Backstreet.

Or no, New Kids on the Block were there.

I mean, Buffett even showed.

John Denver.

We'll be right back. Steven Tyler and James Taylor.
Or no, New Kids on the Block were there.

Buffett even showed.

John Denver.

It was great.

I mean, we could go on and on and on.

So they had four of us, sports, to intro.

We introduced Carole King and James Taylor.

James Taylor, too.

So we had, here's where history came in for me.

So Julian was up there. Doug Flutie flutes brewski teddy and i said okay they did all the boston stuff where am i gonna go i'm last i i went back to the revolutionary war i said you know we didn't fire till we saw the white in their eyes we didn't i mentioned history down the road Island.
Remember that? I remember like yesterday. Teddy was like, oh, my God.
And I went, you know, Paul Revere. Yeah, he did one lantern, and he was off.
John Hancock was buried right down the street. I was all in the damn.
I was in it. Great to see you.
You're a media mogul. Yeah, right.
I can't believe. I'm not shocked, pal.
No way. All day.
I just want to say hi. You did say i said you gotta go check these guys out all right boys yeah yeah all right i'll see you see jules pretty cool right yeah yes i forgot that i got to enjoy football season for i should have for the first time i should have done i yes and that and's funny.
You got an owner. You got a general manager.
You got a coach. You got a quarterback.
All at the same time. And I haven't had any of those.
And then what? You saw it. Yeah.
And a franchise. It's your team.
But a franchise that there's a lot to hang on, but not lately.

Right.

And it's cool.

For football, somebody asked me,

what do you think the best coaching job of all the ones that were available this year?

And I said, well, I'm not analyzing what their cap is.

I'm not analyzing the draft numbers. So there might be different answers, but similar to yours.
If you can hit in Chicago, if you can hit, you know. If you can hit, now that's a big hit.
Every team in the Division won 11 games. I know.
But if you can hit there. So Washington was if you can hit.
Yeah. That was great.
I like to remind people, too, about Joe Gibbs because because I feel like people don't talk about the job Joe Gibbs did in the 80s and early 90s enough. The fact that he won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and three different running backs is crazy.
I don't think we're ever going to see that again. No.
No, I don't see it. I mean, the only constant, there was a couple of changes in the Hawks, but the Hawks were, I mean, Russ Grimm and Bostic, and I mean, there were a couple of changes.
Shea was leaving on the first team. Right, but they were, you're right, three different quarterbacks.
It's pretty crazy. None of, you know, well, Doug and what he accomplished, just the big picture.
I knew him a long time. But they're all good.
I mean, Joe, Diceman, and then Mark Rippin, they were all good. It's not like, eh, they won the Super Bowl, but they weren't.
But they're not Hall of Fame. Doug could be for reasons why it's obvious, right? But Joe Gibbs is great.
I mean, a great coach, and well, in this case, different quarterbacks. But you got one now.
I mean, this kid, you know when I knew you had one? Actually, Dan Quinn and I have known each other a long time. I don't want to misrepresent that I talk to him all the time, but we, when we talk, we talk a while.
And and i said your first game of the year where you got

people at tampa right was that the first game he got hit hard second quarter third quarter i remember the helmet was off he got hit hard like welcome to the nfl type of hit and a smile on his face i said and i'm watching tv we we watch like you did the eight games so we don't even hear any of the audio. I'm just, okay.
He loves this. Not loves getting hit hard, but he loves this.
That was my, Dan goes, I remember that pretty clearly. That's the guy we saw in August.
That's the guy we saw in minicamp whenever he signed in June or whatever. You got somebody you got somebody now it's fun isn't it fun the only thing you miss is the stands that used to move on rfk right so we just i think we got that land back i think we're going to develop that rfk too rfk junior is what some don't do that james is not gonna be taking many shots and then everybody will have different

health you know like but no i think they're gonna get that land back and ideally it'd be cool if there was a section of the stadium that was like on hydraulics that could bounce if you jumped on it like hey you're going to the springy part of the stadium here's your waiver to sign make that things shake again they i mean those fans there i was at a couple of those championship games the the 82 and the 80 83 they beat san francisco but lost to the super bowl so i mean it was like whoa this is i'm young then covering that i was like look at these stand they're moving and they're singing hail to the redskins at the time you know it's like this is good it's good it's like detroit it's good that they were good and they'll be good next year and buffalo so what's going to happen next year somehow unless the bills have a year, which I think they'll be better,

they came farther than a lot of people thought in August.

Yeah, it's a rebuild year.

Trust me.

Somehow, they will not be on the path of Kansas City in the playoffs.

Like, I don't know how.

How do we get to 29?

I don't know.

I'm not going to predict.

But somehow, it won't something, and they're not going to see him.

Not that they couldn't beat him.

Somehow.

That'd be nice.

Remember that we said it here.

It's just, I mean, they, you know, Tom Brady was, excuse me,

Peyton was 0-2 against, it seemed like 0-10 against Manning, it seemed like 0-10 against Brady in the playoffs, really 0-2. He ended up 3-2.
Now it's 0-4, and it's not about who beats who, but anyway, we're digressing because we're talking football. I do have a question I don't think we've ever asked you before.
What is the best football game you've ever seen? So I've've been fortunate enough so let me say that i don't go to that many because of all the sunday shows right so in the 80s and sometimes monday night games i would go until i was doing all this stuff so one you know i'm at all the super bowls so we could pick any of like 10 right so let's you want to eliminate them for the minute for a moment while i do this sure i was at the monday night game the marino beat the 85 bears oh because they were 12 and oh and they were the bears i mean in one year they were da bears get you. Get you in, McMahon.
And I don't have to tell you. I mean, they're getting...
I'll tell you my story from that game. So, you know, I did the show Sunday.
I mean, that's like, again, we're doing football. We're not in a coal mine, right? But, you know, you go in the building about 7, and you leave at 12, 30 at night, and you go home, and then take a 6 o'clock plane to go to Miami because you're going to see the game of the year.
I think it's still the highest rated Monday night game of all time because the ratings were different then anyway, right? And it's in the Orange Bowl, which say what you want. Rickety, it's the Orange Bowl, okay? And hang up to get that.
Do my pregame interviews, including Coach Shula. He always gave me one.
Not sure why, but he did. Like at 6.05 on the sports center, he would be there.
And I got up something to eat and came back down. And I'm about 15 minutes before the game.
They started at 9 o'clock Eastern then. So it was late.
But, you know, you come down. It's under the orange bowl.
It's like a light, like a carpenter's light, like hanging like a single light bulb as you walk under the stairs. Like, are you kidding me? This is the orange.
And then you go out. And there's the palm trees.
It's early December, and you've come from Connecticut. It's nice.
And there are bears over there and i but i come out on the dolphin side and to me shula's jaw was out a little farther at 8 45 and i looked down i looked down the bench i come out and i see larry zonka i see jim kick I see Paul Warfield I see Larry oh these guys are friends of mine

I see Larry Zonka. I see Jim Kick.
I see Paul Warfield.

I see Larry.

Oh, these guys are friends of mine.

I see Larry Little.

You know, and a couple others.

Nick, I'm sure, was there, Bonacani.

And I went, oh, okay.

Oh, I see what this is.

They're all here.

All those guys from the 72 Dolphins.

The Bears are not winning this game.

I don't know how that's going to go.

And they didn't.

And that was really Marino's finest hour because he never went to this other than the Super Bowl that they lost to Montana.

The other one I'll give because it might bring us back to this.

I know you want to run out and, I mean, you know, you got other people.

But it brings us to new orleans the game that reopened after katrina yeah so they hadn't played in a year and a half right katrina was a was a staging area for the homeless i mean they had 10 000 cots or whatever the number is i may have my facts wrong and then they didn't even open for like three games so it was like late september is their first game it's a monday night game which we had that year in 06 it was atlanta and i remember and you know it was unbelievable people were hugging and crying in the stands like you made it like you know season tickets you you're friends with them but

you don't even know where they live like you don't know hey did you make it you don't know their phone number you're like a family at these games and we did we did the pit you know we didn't came out to everybody i was the last one steve young was on the set domi etc and they came to me and you could just feel it and what it meant to these people here in new orleans i'm tearing because sports still does that it's incredible yeah and i looked in the camera and i said the 78 steelers would not win here tonight no way you can look that up and and then steve gleason and we know his story yep and he's topical this week he's still doing charity events he and his wife michelle and i'm gonna go to one tomorrow and um he blocked the kick i've never heard any play so loud yeah i mean are you kidding me and that and that's new orleans like that it reminds us of what a team can be to a community. It was a September game.
It was those two is regular season. Super Bowl, we could debate for a whole show.
And I wouldn't want to just throw a couple out. You can just say the catch.
You were there. I didn't get there yet.
Yeah, I was going regular season. Those are the two regular season games.
Can we go with Kleenex? Yeah, I'm tearing on it kind of was at the beginning of my career yeah and as it turned out the beginning of my association with the 49ers which was one of the most that and the bills niners of the 80s and the bills of the 90s i didn't get into it to be a jock sniffer trust me but I was their age I picked them every week I was doing the 2.30 in the morning show which is 11.30 out there I went to cover the championship game little Chris Berman I'm 20 whatever 6, 7 years old whatever and one of the veterans Charlie Young said oh you're the Swami right yeah you've been picking us every week right yeah i'll have everybody lined up for you 11 players lined up to do an interview from joe montana to you know jack reynolds was a middle linebacker then to it was so yeah i was getting there i was kind of eliminating the playoff so you're gonna give me a tissue i mean i'm I cry at the lion, Jim. No, no.
This is our... The Leeson one is fantastic.
And by the way,

Dwight died of... It's kind of eliminating the playoffs.
Oh, you're going to give me a tissue? I need it. I mean, I'm happy.
And I cry at the lion, Jim.

No, no.

The Leeson one is fantastic.

And by the way, Dwight died of ALS.

Yeah, ALS.

I didn't mean to jump in on you.

My mother-in-law passed away from ALS.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, I mean, it's a horrific disease.

But the point of the Saints one, which I love, is just, you're right.

What sports mean for a city and a community, you can't get it anywhere else. And that's why we love this game.
That's why we watch this game. It's beautiful.
And the city's been through a lot. You know, you can see the effects still.
But they know how to throw a party. I mean, they even move Mardi Gras kind of, sort of a week, right? Like, kind of, sort of.
So it's like a three-week party. Yeah, yeah.
Well, Schwamm, you're the best. Yep.
This is our favorite. I'm so happy this has become a tradition.
Next year, we've got to do it again. Next year will be four, I believe, in a row.
Five, I think. Five? Oh, yeah, that's right, five.
One in your place. Yeah.
I love the cookbook, too. Yep.
Donnie's cookbook. Donnie, right? So yeah, this is year four.
It's seriously something we look forward to. In San Francisco.
I mean, now you're. Yeah.
That's a home game. Yeah.
Maybe we'll go to House of Prime Rib. Well, we could go anywhere.
We could go to the Buena Vista where they invented the Irish coffee. Okay.
Now, you talk about important. The light bulb is one thing.
Yes. Okay, but the Irish coffee is another thing, right? They didn't invent that in Ireland?ireland huh the irish coffee yeah yeah well at least in our look they claim they invented it you know that's smart yeah louis lunch in new haven claims they invented the hamburger we're going with it okay so um listen i'm proud of what you guys have stood for i don't want to come and blow smoke you know but you know that i mean this is not you guys love football that makes it that's 80 of the battle before you even open up your mouth on any of your shows you know pro football that's another now i'm yogi i'm going to run out of the percentages you know that 90 of the game is mental the other half is physical so but but you you you love pro football you know pro football and you're inquisitive about pro football but you have opinions that are hmm okay i get how you got there even if i disagree and you know you you that's hard to convince people that that's what you're about until they listen all the time yeah we love you yeah just ever do Yeah, and we really hope you understand how much you mean to us and how much this means to us.
Because we've done a lot of stuff. We've been doing the show for nine years.
And there's a lot of pinch me things. But I think this is at the top of the list of, hey, every year we get to sit down with the Schwamm right before the Super Bowl.
It's awesome. I wouldn't miss it for the world.
Because it's the Grand Chai and the and we're new orleans so we can speak a little yeah we got a little french yeah i think james asked us the other or somebody that we had on the show was like what's uh what's the coolest thing that you guys get to do and i was like you know what is like the most surreal moment that i think i've ever had maybe the happiest that i've had uh related to this show um when you texted me and big cat at the start of football season this year when i woke up in the morning to a text from chris berman wishing me a happy football season yeah i was like well i think i'm dead and i think that this is a simulation or something i'm happy with it i finally learned 21st century technology that's what it meant two people, yeah, but only because you guys had texted me together. I wouldn't know how to actually do that.
Damn, I'm not texting each one of these freaking guys. That's too much work.
It's 730 A Eastern. That's why you woke up.
Yeah, I was going to sleep. Thanks so much.
I'm glad you made time for me. We've had all different locales.
Yeah, standing invite. We're moving The next, if you go for the week, which you probably will next year.
Yeah, we'll do San Francisco. So we've done Connecticut.
We've done the Midwest, like both North and South, Chicago and New Orleans. Now we'll go San Francisco.
San Francisco. We're truly global.
Yeah, well, then when you go to the Super Bowl in London, we'll do it over there. Don't even.
Don't even. You know what? Don't even.
I want to put something out there, because this show can maybe help. So these international games, which are fine, you know, whatever.
I said it on the air, so it's not. And I don't know when they're scheduled yet, but Veterans Day weekend they played in Germany two years in a row.
This year it's in the Olympic Stadium, which. Do some research on that.
I know with the background, like NFL, do me a favor. Any other week, Germany's great.
They're a great ally. It has nothing to do with it.
Not Veterans Day weekend. Before you make the schedule, listen to Pardon My Take.
I said it on Fastest Three Minutes that night. Veterans Day in Germany.
Can't misquote me, but you know what I meant. Don't Like, don't do it.
Play any other week. I'm good.

Bratwurst for everybody.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

Oktoberfest.

Yeah.

Sure.

I mean, there's plenty of things we can do.

That's the one day.

Wiener Schnitzel.

It's free.

Yeah. You know?

But not then.

No, Veterans Day.

I don't know.

You would think I could get that done by speaking on ESPN?

This is how I think of your show.

We got it done.

We're going to get it done.

I think of how you're doing. Yep.
All right. think i'm having your show all right thanks so much guys appreciate it

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Wrapping up Super Bowl week. Fire Fest.
Henry. Danny.
What's your Fire Fest? My Fire Fest, we've been talking a lot about getting older and some thoughts and stuff. And yeah, as I've gotten older.
Are you golfing today? No. That's what I asked him earlier.
He's like, dress for the job you want, not the job you have. the job you have you have golf today i don't have golf this is a golf outfit that's a golf outfit dude they're sweatpants hey question what does your shirt say a polo shirt tailor made kith okay you're golfing today it's fine it's fine can a guy not wear a polo where are you playing i'm not playing did you bring your you bring your sticks? No.
What track are you at today? No. I got invited to play.
I said no. I got to work.
Wow. That's progress.
Yeah. But anyway, back to my Fyre Fest.
I have just come to the realization in the past year, specifically the last few months, that I may have some irrational confidence about my athletic ability. No.
And I may not be the athlete that I am in my head. Last night we did a skills challenge, and I was quarterback.
That's a sound guy. Shout out Ian.
Last night we did a – He's been wearing a train conductor hat all week. Yeah.
He's going to have our actual Antley Super Bowl tradition to get our sound guy on the mic. Yeah.
The train conductor hat is wild. It is.
You walk in the room, you're like, am I at a ditty party? Yeah. I kind of like it.
It's just like something different. But I got tasked with being the quarterback.
I had to throw to different quarterbacks. And I put my hand up.
I said, I can be QB, which is where the irrational confidence. So you tasked yourself with being quarterback.
We were talking about, you know, there was five different positions. Our coach, our leader was assigned with putting people in different spots.
And I said, whatever you need, coach. And I said, I can throw.
I said, I can throw. I thought that I could, you know, again, in my head, I was like, I'm an athlete.
I can do anything. I'm great at everything.
Need me to be a quarterback? I can be a quarterback. Easy.
But you can't. That's literally my fire.
Yeah. I can't.
I'm not. I'm not.
So would you say that if you. I'm not a God-gifted natural athlete.
If you were a coach and you had one of your players be like stepping up, being like, I can be the QB. I mean, the coach has to be like, to be like hey that guy wants the ball like let's give him a shot not hey that guy doesn't know how to throw yeah no i'm no no blame i'm putting all the hand up hand up hank's been consistent about that yeah sounds like it's just all blame on yourself yeah blame on myself and you know going back to the dunking thing it's

kind of the same thing like i just maybe maybe i've started to accept the fact that maybe not the jury is not out yet on the dunking just in general athletic ability maybe okay i may not be as god gifted athletic genetic freak as i i thought i was you got a hole in one like three swings either day. True.
Five, but yeah.

Three for 57 on throws.

Yeah, I was. You got a hole in one in like three swings either day.
True. Five, but yeah.
Three for 57 on throws? Yeah, it was windy. The balls were wet.
But yeah, it was all on me. No excuses.
How big are your hands? I got Pedro Martinez fingers. Tiny hands? No.
Somebody said you had tiny hands. Yeah, you did.
I didn didn't say that so next time we get in a

situation like that do it do it uh-oh no hey hey he's got you beat well he's also like three inches taller than me yeah uh so next time we are forced into a situation like this it's like hey can you throw a football what will your answer be i say whatever you need me to do Okay.

So I guess that is different than what you said on Wednesday night when you said, I can quarterback. Yeah, I said I can quarterback.
I can jump. I can run.
I probably couldn't do any of those things. No, actually, I think the only thing you volunteered for was quarterback.
If that's how you remember it, then now I have the video. This is crazy.
I mean, it's not crazy. Big has clipped out specific parts and removed contacts and removed situations, and that's fine.
If the team performs bad, the quarterback is the reason why. Yeah, it goes quarterback one, then coach.
That's usually where the blame goes. So the beginning of this clip is me asking Max if he could quarterback.
I said no. Okay, yeah, Max said no.
Can you throw? You got tight handies? I can see. I can throw.
You can throw? I can kick. See, that was Hank saying, I can throw.
Or it was me saying, if you need me. I can throw, he says.
I can throw. That's heard static uh shut up pete but no again i'm not blaming anyone i'm blaming myself and and yeah when you go three for 57 in front of the world in front of john gruden who's just been roasting me ever since for putting up that performance at pan-american stadium it's tough joe burrow came in today and And came in today, and the first thing John Gruden said to Joe Burrow was, we got this guy Hank over here.
He went three for 57 last night. At Pan American Stadium.
What can we do to help him? That was tough. Can I say something? You do a very good John Gruden.
Thanks, man. Yeah, that's good.
Yeah. That got me feeling nice.
All right, so where are we going forward, though, though from here is it just like i'm i'm just not gonna like make these claims that i can do things that i my body can't you know i'm not gonna cash checks that my body can't write uh yeah yeah cool hank that it is growth because in the past you would say well i i'm just not gonna do any work no in the past everything i do is wrong in the past i would be like big cats the coach he's got to know me better and know that if i can be quarterback he should have evaluated my talent and known that i'm not capable of doing that but in the past in the past that's what i would have said now i'm just saying wait wait when you say in the past you mean like 15 minutes ago yeah can i do my fire fest real quick off that one yeah my fire usually pft goes goes second. Yeah, I know.
But my fire fest is that I look up to Hank and he's one of the younger members of, pardon my take. And I look up to him to be like a good athlete.
And I just have to come to the realization I'm just a better athlete than him at everything. That's sad.
It is. That's a tough place to be.
If you could have made five of me on that field. And I don't think I'm a good athlete, so I have at least a humble thought to it, and then I go out there and I just stun people.
But the problem is I have to just realize if Hank thinks he can do something better than me, I got to remind myself, no, he can't. That's a big fire fest for you because if you care about somebody so much and you believe in someone that much, and then they just disappoint you over and over and over and over and over and over again then it's like when your parents tell you like i'm not mad but i am disappointed that's the worst punishment of all yeah you know what i was like coaching you know that's where it's like yeah like hand up hand up hank just sucks at all sports and i'm better than him at it like hand up but yeah you still put me, you still put me in the number one position.
Well, I'll tell you what. My fire friends, that was the last time I'll take Hank's advice on his own athletic ability.
It was, again, whatever. Hand up on me.
No, hand up. Old me would have been like, hey, cat, did you ask me if I could throw and I said yes or did I say make me throw? I asked Max if you said, and then you butted in, you said, I can throw.
Or you said, can you throw? To Max. And I said, I can throw.
To Max. And I said, can you throw? I said, I can throw.
No, no, no. But old me, old me.
You want to watch the clip again? Yeah, let's play it again. Yeah, yeah, okay, watch this.
Old me would want to watch the clip again. I'm looking at Max, and I'm saying, can you throw? I'm looking at Max.
Wait. I could throw throw is what you said i physically i could physically i was able to throw it sounds like big cat you're mad at at old hank no i'm mad i'm mad at myself what about present day hank i'm mad at myself i'm mad at present day hank as well because present day hank like i said it hurts to know that someone I look up to and I'm like, I think he can do everything.
Turns out he can't do anything. So I'm mad at myself.
Hand up. Accountability.
I'm just better than Hank at everything. Hand up.
Yeah. Congratulations.
Hand up. I think you should be proud of current Hank.
Your team seems like a fully dysfunctional front office. No, no, no.
It sounds like it's chaos from the top down. When it comes to a team, it's all on the players.
There's nothing that the coach could do separately, and it's players. Yeah.
And the players let the coach down. Don't the coaches put players in a position to succeed? No, no, no.
When the players decide what position they play. When the players demand that they can throw and they can't throw.
The players decide what. And you have to think, okay.
Coach, I want to play wide receiver today, and the coach just has to listen. The problem is if I could clone myself and put myself at every position, we'd be in a better spot because I should have kicked and thrown.
But Hank had to do something, and he stinks at everything. So what are you supposed to do? Hank, I have a question.
didn't you volunteer for for high jump or something i did i said you literally was saying whatever you're training on jumping no yes i was you volunteered for only only was saying whatever you need coach i can throw i can throw i could no i thought i could start two for two what happened after it got really windy yeah and the balls were wet. Also, my fire fest.
No excuses.

I'm just, every Super Bowl week, it hits me a little harder.

I'm just old.

Yeah.

But still a better athlete than Hank, so kind of reverse fire fest on that one.

Never forget that two for two, Hank.

Yeah.

No.

It was electric.

I was.

Japan started off World War II pretty hot, too.

Yeah.

And you just missed everything.

They'll always have what?

You missed everything. You know what? No, no, no.
No everything they'll always have what you missed everything you know what no no no no all that stuff two for two yeah all right pft uh yeah my fire fest is i've gumboed myself to death i realized last night at dinner uh i do love i used to love gumbo i i don't really want to have any more gumbo yeah i. I'm going to.
And I'm going to try to enjoy it. Right after this.
Yeah, for lunch, I'm about to have another gumbo. But my body is like all sodium right now.
I'm bloated. I haven't pooped in three days, which is the exact opposite of what people thought was going to happen with all this gumbo.
But, yeah, I have to have gumbo for lunch, lunch and then i have to have gumbo for dinner but then i have to sneak a gumbo in in between how many are you at uh i'm at 10 so the the middle five more the middle gumbo is pre-gum sunday night one was a big miss we went out to dinner and there was no gumbo i'm gonna pre-gum before dinner tonight yeah yeah yeah that was bad you couldn't the moment, too. We're like, this is a big missed opportunity for gumbo.
It was huge. They had a gumbo-like dish on the meal.
That was basically you got stopped on the goal line in the first quarter. And it was like, we're going to come back to this.
It's hard to recover. But guess what? It's not over, Hank.
I got the rest of the day today. I got all day tomorrow.
Gumbo is delicious. But last night at dinner, i was just looking at the menu and my body needed it was craving the color green i needed something i needed a green and i don't know if i'm getting scurvy probably but uh yeah it's been a lot of gumbo i got a solution for you you could do what some people in this room do and you can, I can eat gumbo.
And then when you can't eat gumbo, you can just blame everyone else.

Yeah.

Well, you guys did.

When I said-

Old PFT probably would have done that.

At dinner the other night, I put my hand up and I said, I've got a good place that has gumbo.

Yeah.

And then we got there and there was absolutely no gumbo.

But I started the dinner out hot by saying, I've got a place. Yeah.
And it all fell apart i do take accountability for that that's huge yeah um but i i feel like i'm just sweating rue yeah i uh last night i went and grabbed pizza after our competition feeney pizza has a pop-up and our friend sean feeney great pizza but i was talking to him and he was like oh pft we

gotta get pft by here and i was like uh he's only eating gumbo and he looked at me like what

that's the other thing there's so much good food in new orleans etouffee jambalaya po boys yeah

and as much as i want to have it i just there's no room for non-gumbo yeah you got you have to

your schedule is full of gumbo it's gumbo yeah you're running a marathon and you just you have

the runs like you gotta but you gotta finish well i don't have the runs. It's no, I know, but I don't know what this shouldn't happen.
That's what I'm also chafing. You're bleeding from your thighs.
I'm also concerned about that aspect. The finish line is actually bleeding from my chest a little bit from the waxing, but the, the gumbo blocking me up is a side effect that should not be happening.
Yeah. It's just my body being like, Hey dude body being like, hey, dude, stop.
Whatever you're doing, stop this. It should be the exact reverse.
It should be like saying, like, I can throw when you really should have said, I can't throw. Yeah.
I would kill for diarrhea right now. Yeah.
Like, all of me would be upset that, like, you want players. Don't you want players that, like, want to compete? Yeah, but I do realize that right now.
Like, you could quit. No, I couldn't.
I can't. Exactly.
You can't. You can't quit.
Like, just because you get put in a situation where you might not excel. Yeah, but I do realize that right now.
You could quit. No, I couldn't.
I can't.

Exactly.

You can't quit.

Just because you get put in a situation where you might not excel, you have to overcome.

The difference, though, is even though...

Old me would be upset at the lack of accountability by the coach, but new me is just going to

put the hands up.

But here's the thing, he knows he did.

I put myself...

Yeah, exactly.

You know what else I'm going to do?

Yeah.

Even though I put myself in a bad situation, I'm going to finish it, and I'm going to do

it.

And I'm going to win. You're not going to do it.
And I'm going to win.

You're not going to blame anyone.

No, and I'm going to win.

I did finish it.

And you blamed everyone.

I'm embracing the suck.

Cleats in the grass, man in the arena.

I'm going to finish the week.

I'm going to do what I said I was going to do.

I'm going to eat 15 gumbos.

Come hell or high water, I'm going to go 15 for 15 on gumbos,

which is a pretty damn good percentage.

Yeah, it is.

I said I was going to throw, and I had every target I needed to hit. 57 throws.
Max? Mine was kind of like that. I need some greens.
I've eaten like shit, and I'm still here for four more days. Oh, I have to go to the Super Bowl.
No, I'm excited. I'm excited for that.
I'm talking about my diet since I've been here. I'm going to get drunk and go to the Super Bowl this weekend.
I'm going to say go birds to a thousand people on the street. All right.
All right. Shut up, Max.
All right. Fine.
I'm excited for the Super Bowl. Big diet starts Tuesday.
Why don't they make just a pill? It's Fyre Fest. You got to fucking talk about shit that's going on.
What do you want me to say? Super Bowl week. They should make a pill for guys like Max that just has a salad inside the pill.
No, I like salads. I'm going to have a salad for lunch today.
You're experiencing a full New Orleans. When we came here for the final four, we were here for like six days.
You get to a point in New Orleans because the food is so good and the drinks and everything that you just feel like a sausage on a grill and you need someone to come poke you with a fork yeah that's exactly what i need yeah let's get uh our audio guy here go sit in meme seat sit in meme seat we'll flip the camera around so this is ian ian has been wearing conductor head right there sit right there you sit right there at the desk yeah there you go I didn't realize this was happening right now I was eating That's alright So this is Ian He's our audio guy this week He spent the whole week with us Also part time train conductor What would you How would you describe You basically got to sit in this room through all the interviews through the bickering through the ball busting what how would you grade our operation i thought you killed it um i especially what was it what was the best one so far i think uh hmm we got berman who was before berman wait that'sosh-Bagosh? Yeah, it used to be like workwear. I thought that was for kids.
No, it's like coveralls. Oh, okay.
That's sick. They make full-size trains, too.
Oh, I like that. Yeah, sorry.
I just got distracted. Who was before Berman? Jason Kelsey.
That was amazing. Yeah.
That was like front to back. We hit it.
Yeah, yeah. What about off camera? What did you think about the operation like off camera? Yeah, like the...
Well, I camera? My phone went off in the middle of this one. I like that accountability.
It's my parking alarm. Nice.
What do you think about? You saw some fights, some arguments, some disagreements. You were being kind of mean to him about the...
The throwing? Yeah. But he said he could throw.
Yeah, that was probably a mistake. Yeah, exactly.
You're really going in on him. Yeah, but because he came in here coming in on me.
Yeah, I didn't hear that part. Okay.
I can play the clip for you where he said he could throw. I heard that.
I heard that. Yeah, yeah.
And he can't throw. Yeah, I tried.
I tried. The problem is you didn't see him try to throw.
Yeah, yeah, how bad it was. If you had seen how bad it was, you would be like, I wasn't mean.
Well, I heard it was like over 55. Yeah, I tried.
I tried. The problem is you didn't see him try to throw.
If you had seen how bad it was, you would be like, I wasn't mean. I heard it was like 0 for 55.
Yeah, 0 for 55. So that's pretty bad.
Sorry, 2 for 2. I don't think I was mean enough because he was that bad.
That's pretty bad. Hank said earlier, we'll always have Pearl Harbor.
I didn't think that was... Oh, I did not say that.
Yeah. Yeah, he did.
It was disgusting and inappropriate. Max is my boss, so I can't really.
Oh, shit. I can't really say my real thing.
A great Max's performance as a boss. No, Max is the man.
All right, well, thank you so much, man. We appreciate it.
I also like you. Thanks for having me.
Every now and then. Hey, why don't y'all take me to the combine? Okay.
Come on, let's go. Let's keep the party going.
Do you have any spicy sports steaks? You're talking to Mike. You're the sound guy.
I was hoping y'all would have Marshawn Lynch. You know, I was like, maybe I'll finally get to meet Marshawn Lynch.
So I was a little disappointed by that. So Marshawn, if you're listening, we should definitely be best friends.
Okay. That's awesome.
You got a pick for the game? Yeah. Seahawks Super Bowl future for next year.
Okay. That sounds got 30 to 1 odds right now.
I would hammer it. All right.
Gino. You're a Gino guy.
All right. Well, thank you so much, Ian.
Appreciate it, man. My pleasure.
Great week. Great week.
Really appreciate you. Cheers, guys.
That was a blast. All right.
Let's kick it to ourselves for lottery ball. I did not say the Pearl Harbor thing.
Okay. Next show will be either Happy Max or Sad Max.
Let's finish with numbers. 59.
40. 11.
2. 2.
3. I'll go 3.
Good guess, PFT. Remember when you said that you took it for Jalen Hurts? Yeah.
Wait, what was your guess? Why was that for Jalen Hurts? It's Bird's Week. What was your guess last episode?

Number one.

All right, I'll go 77.

Is he number two?

There's a giant fathead of him wearing number one behind you.

His rookie year, he was number two.

I'll go 77.

Hank, what was yours?

40.

Two for PFT.

What was yours, memes?

59.

Super Bowl 59.

23. MJ.