Andrew Luck In Studio, Brian Windhorst On The Shocking Luka Trade + Monday Reading Live From Super Bowl Week In Nola

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, it is Super Bowl week, and we have an awesome interview coming for the people. Andrew Luck, we've been looking to get this interview done for about seven years.

Speaker 1 He came into HQ actually Sunday morning and before we left for New Orleans. Really, really great interview.
Awesome to talk to him.

Speaker 7 He autographed our AFC finalist banner.

Speaker 1 He did. So very cool guy.
I think everyone's going to really enjoy it. Hot.
Some people are saying hot.

Speaker 1 We also called the emergency Brian Windhorse Batphone and got him on for 15 minutes to talk about the Luca trade to the Lakers, which shocked everyone.

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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, February 3rd, and welcome to Max Week.

Speaker 1 Not Max Week. Max.
No, it's like Max, Max, Max, Max, Max, Max, Max. Oh, yeah, there's a little football game going on, too.

Speaker 7 It's like, it's mega. Think about it.
Instead of mega, it's just Max. We're taking this show to the Max this week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Max Week. I don't know.
I'm dialed. I'm dialed on the birds.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you guys are trying to do. You're not wearing any of those shirts.
You're wearing those clothing on your head. You're wearing a dog shirt.

Speaker 1 You're wearing a dog on your shirt right now. He's wearing Casey.

Speaker 1 Roback. Rowback.
But the real story is Luka got traded to the Lakers.

Speaker 7 Oh, I thought you were going to lead with Duane Bonner assigned with the Fever.

Speaker 1 That too. Big time stories everywhere.
But yeah, Luka Doncic.

Speaker 7 Instant championship contenders.

Speaker 1 That is. Big time.
Fever are actually building a bully. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Hank doesn't know because he's a misogynist. That's true.

Speaker 1 False. Luka Doncic traded to the Lakers late Saturday night, shocked the NBA world, traded for Anthony Davis.
So the official trade,

Speaker 1 listen, I'm not saying that it's max week, but the official official trade was Luka Doncic, Maxie Kleber, Markeith Morris, and then the Mavericks receive Anthony Davis, Max Christie, and 2029 LA first-round pick.

Speaker 1 Two maxes in the trade.

Speaker 7 And now Luca can't get the super max.

Speaker 1 And so he can't get the super max. And then obviously the Jazz also got in there because Danny Angel was sniffing a trade and was like, I want in.

Speaker 1 They traded Jalen Hood Schaffino, 2025, Clippers second, 2025 Mavericks second. I don't even know how the Jazz get into it, but

Speaker 1 it's not

Speaker 1 hyperbole to say this is probably the most shocking trade in NBA history just because Luca is 25 years old. He's one of the top five players in the NBA.

Speaker 1 He just took his team to the finals and he gets traded to the Lakers with no bidding whatsoever.

Speaker 7 There was a mystery team.

Speaker 1 There was a mystery team, which I think was added just to make Nico, what's his name? Nico Hollins?

Speaker 1 The, what's it? What is this? The Mavs GM. Yeah, Mike.

Speaker 7 Thinking of Nico Collins. Let's call him Nico.

Speaker 1 Nico. Make him feel a little better.
But it seems like they did this deal, Nico Harrison, guy who screwed up the Steph Curry to Nike deal.

Speaker 1 It's crazy because it feels like Luca could have gotten, the Mavs could have gotten way more for Luca, and instead he goes to the Lakers, and now I don't even know what to, like...

Speaker 1 It was a true what the fuck trade.

Speaker 1 Shoms actually had to say, I'm not, I have not been hacked.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is serious.

Speaker 7 Yeah, let's kick it over to Magic Johnson, who had a great reply to to summed it up nicely Luka Doncich will definitely make the Lakers a championship contending team he'll take the pressure off LeBron because of his scoring ability and playmaking and will make every Laker better LeBron James will be a positive influence on Luca teaching him his championship mentality that includes taking his conditioning seriously I actually do believe in that part like that if

Speaker 1 what

Speaker 7 That's magic calling Luca fat.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, Luca's been called fat. I mean, there was a report that he's 270 pounds.

Speaker 1 I think it's discrimination against big boys that they're basically, they're trying to drag Luca through the mud, being like, the guy's just so fat, he can't, we had to trade him.

Speaker 1 When in reality, you didn't have to trade him. It made no sense to trade him.

Speaker 1 I mean, Mark Cuban, even, I know he's not the owner of the Mavs anymore, but remember a few years ago when he said, like, if you made me decide between my wife and Luca, I'll see you at the divorce proceedings.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, like, Luca's crazy.

Speaker 7 Luca's everything you want if you're a fan. If you're a fan of the Dallas Mavericks, that sucks because Luca, he got you to an NBA Finals last year.
Who cares if he's 270 pounds?

Speaker 7 If he's scoring 40 points every game in the playoffs, you need a guy like that to get there. You need, as Big Cat said, you need a top five

Speaker 1 in the NBA.

Speaker 7 The Celtics, we looked last year,

Speaker 7 they had Brown.

Speaker 7 You got to have a superstar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You have to. I mean, this is,

Speaker 1 it's shocking. I don't understand what the Mavericks were thinking.
If you're a Mavs fan, I feel like so, so sad for you because you get a guy like Luca

Speaker 1 and he's going to be part of your life for 15 years and you're like we're always going to at least be competing because we have luka doncichich and then he gets traded 25 years old to the lakers i don't know how the lakers keep getting away with it i also

Speaker 1 is there any chance that jerry jones was involved in this because uh luca was you know the the cowboys have been so bad new coach luca's the star in dallas get him out of town i don't know but i i recall a trade that didn't go through way back in the day chris paul you remember that trade

Speaker 7 and david David Stern was like, no, I'm not going to allow this for the good of the league.

Speaker 7 It feels like this is, obviously, AD is a great player. He's very good defensively.
He's like been all NBA first team defense, what, like seven times? He's a Hall of Fame player.

Speaker 1 He's all family.

Speaker 1 He's a top 15.

Speaker 7 So this is not, I'm not saying that it's something where the commissioner should step in and be like, no, this trade can't happen.

Speaker 7 But if this trade happens and there's nobody else offering anything for it, if you don't put it out for bid across the league,

Speaker 7 it seems like

Speaker 7 maybe you owe something. Maybe you're in debt to the ownership of the Lakers.
Maybe you need a favor from the Lakers at a later date and you're playing nice with them.

Speaker 1 Maybe the league needs the Lakers to be good, and they're like, LeBron's getting old, and we got to put a superstar in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is the history of the Los Angeles Lakers, they just go from superstar to superstar. I mean, Magic, I mean, well, before even Magic, Kareem, Will Chamberlain, Magic, Kobe, Shaw,

Speaker 1 Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, like all these guys. Steve Blake.
And now they go LeBron, Anthony Davis, Toluca. It's crazy.
It's crazy.

Speaker 7 It is. So I was looking at the Lakers' roster earlier today.
You've got LeBron. You've got Luca.

Speaker 7 You've got Austin Reeves. You've got Dalton Connect.

Speaker 1 Why are Hank and Max making eyes together? The Celtic Max is playing right now.

Speaker 1 The Sixers just blew a 20-point lead. Oh, International Sports Arch.

Speaker 1 Okay, keep going.

Speaker 7 Okay, so the roster.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were literally making like fuck you eyes to the business. No, no,

Speaker 1 no,

Speaker 1 I was trying to communicate the score of what is going on. Got it.
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 Max is locked in on the birds.

Speaker 1 Philly Sports. Got it.

Speaker 7 You've got LeBron, Luca. You've got Austin Reeves, Dalton Connect.
How many balls are there in the NBA?

Speaker 1 How many balls

Speaker 7 on the court at any given time?

Speaker 1 Well, actually, there's two. Lonzo Lamello.

Speaker 7 Yeah, when they're out there. Yeah, yeah.
But there's one. So the Lakers, I guess they're just going to, you can score your way to maybe a playoff series win, but I don't know.

Speaker 7 I feel like it's a great move long term for the Lakers. I don't know if they're going to be good this year, but the.

Speaker 1 They'll be good. I just don't know if they'll win the title.
There's more titles to be made. There's more moves to win.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter for like LeBron might not win another title. Luke is 25, and they just have him now.

Speaker 1 Like, they're going to give him the max. He's going to stay in L.A.
They're going to build a whole team around him.

Speaker 7 The food is healthier in L.A. too.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's going to go to Erewhon and be like, what the fuck is this? He's going to lose 10 pounds just looking at it.

Speaker 1 The conspiracy is when you see what other players, all-star players, all-pro players, the, you know, what the teams that traded them got back in return compared to what the Mavs got for Luca, that's where the conspiracy really, really gets hot.

Speaker 1 Cause it's like. Kevin Durant, they got a million picks.
Yeah. Paul George, the Thunder got a million picks.

Speaker 1 I mean, we're going to talk to Wendy, but he, I mean, like the Spurs have nine first-round picks, I think. You You don't think the Spurs would have given up nine first-round picks for Luca?

Speaker 1 I mean, he, yeah, yeah, you, uh, what was Kevin Ray was four first-round picks in Mikhail Bridges. And Luca is younger than that.
And, like, it just makes no sense. I don't understand any of that.

Speaker 1 They trolled Mikhail Bridges for like three first-round picks. I don't understand any of this.
I, I, it, it was shocking. I feel like everyone's still in shock.

Speaker 1 The big loser in all of this is the Mavs fans. I actually think the Mavs might, I mean, Anthony Davis, like, they'll be a good team, but it's the win.
Anthony Davis is a very good player.

Speaker 1 He's 31 years old. Luca's 25.
How bad do you think it must feel for Anthony Davis?

Speaker 1 Where it's like, you're like, I'm an NBA champion, all-pro, like, unbelievable player, and everyone is just like, what a test.

Speaker 1 This is one of those situations where it's like, if you, if you,

Speaker 1 like two people that, that cheat on their significant others and then get together, it's like that relationship eventually is going to end up with them cheating again.

Speaker 1 Anthony Davis got traded to the Lakers when LeBron was like, we need help and we need to get everyone out of here. And then I'm not saying LeBron said it this time, but that's how he got there.

Speaker 1 That's how he got there. He had no idea.
He had no idea. He had no idea.

Speaker 7 He found out just like the rest of us. Yes.
Now, did you see the press conference that Jason Kidd did with Nico?

Speaker 1 No. That was awkward.
Well, it was also where the entire Mavs team sat out tonight. They basically protested and they lost by a billion to the cash.

Speaker 7 It was very awkward. You had Nico sitting next to Jason Kidd, who looked like he was in a hostage tape.
And Jason Kidd didn't know about it until the trade happened either.

Speaker 7 And then Nico was like, yeah, you know, this might be one that we look back on. Maybe, you know, it could be the greatest thing that happened.
It could be bad.

Speaker 7 And Jason Kidd's just like, Jesus Christ. What is...

Speaker 1 Did he like lose his battle? Something happened. Something has to have happened because otherwise it makes no sense.
And it can't just be Luca's fat.

Speaker 1 And obviously we had the clip of Nico after they won the Western Conference last year taking the beer out of Luca's hand. Maybe that's where the rift started.

Speaker 1 You never take a beer out of another man's hand, but something had to have happened. It can't just be Luca's 270 pounds.
But he's not bad. Luca also twisted the knife.

Speaker 1 I feel really bad for MASH fans but his statement where he was like i love dallas i thought i was going to be here for my whole career and win a championship i'm sad it didn't happen like that if you're a mavs fan and you read that like that they were doing they were did you see the mavs fans with the casket no they had a casket outside of uh american airlines arena they're just like he he died i mean i

Speaker 1 i i don't know how you

Speaker 1 How do you get off the mat if you're a Mavs fan? You just went to the finals with Luca.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a little pudgy. Yeah, he's a little out of shape.
He's 25. I do think he's going to get in really good shape with LeBron.

Speaker 7 That's where it's like, if you trade him because he's fat,

Speaker 1 that's a fixable thing. But he's also,

Speaker 7 he's not fat. He might be a little pudgy.

Speaker 1 He doesn't play defense. Yeah.
Well, he's not in the best shape that he could be in. And that obviously you need him to be in better shape, but I do think

Speaker 1 he's around LeBron.

Speaker 7 He's in better shape than Zion.

Speaker 1 Well, that was the thing is Zion's got to be like,

Speaker 1 I would imagine Zion was like watching this trade happen. He's like, wait, they can trade you because you're fat? Like, this is going to be bad.

Speaker 7 That was James Harden's entire strategy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. It's true.
Yeah. Yeah.
But he was just like, oh, oh,

Speaker 1 I better try to get in better shape.

Speaker 7 Oh, no, I'll get traded to the Lakers. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 You guys, all right, just tell me what the score is. That I wasn't even looking.
That was Hank. You guys are not locked in.
Max is not locked in. I'm locked in.
No,

Speaker 1 Max is not locked in. Max also isn't wearing any birds gear.

Speaker 7 Why aren't you wearing any Eagles gear?

Speaker 1 It's a Super Bowl week.

Speaker 6 It's Sunday.

Speaker 1 It's Sunday. We saw a woman with birds gear.
Question: Do you have enough Eagles gear to wear for eight days?

Speaker 1 Yes. With me?

Speaker 1 No, in life. In life, yes.
So

Speaker 1 why would you just pack eight days worth of Eagles gear? It's Super Bowl week. I will wear Eagles gear

Speaker 1 every other day.

Speaker 7 Like every other day, meaning you wear it tomorrow and then not Tuesday, then you'll wear it again on Wednesday? No, I'll wear it.

Speaker 7 Every day this week?

Speaker 1 Yes. If there's another Eagles fan that walks by you, they don't notice they go Birds.
Incorrect.

Speaker 7 I think they look at Max.

Speaker 2 I know. I got

Speaker 2 it.

Speaker 1 Someone did it in the lobby today.

Speaker 1 Right when they, as they were giving me shit about not wearing Eagles gear and that no one was going to say go birds, some guy walked by right away and said go birds.

Speaker 7 Go birds. I would be head to toe in commander's gear if we were in this game, Max.
Head to toe.

Speaker 1 You basically were. I've been thinking

Speaker 1 his clothes stolen. Come on.
One point game.

Speaker 7 Yeah. One point game.
It is. It's sad because I got here and I just looked at outside and I was like, how awesome would this week be if the commanders were in the game?

Speaker 1 I would like our chances if we were playing this game. I really would.

Speaker 1 Even after losing by a lot of people, no, no, because if we were in this game, but what if they had just been like, you know what? You guys are going to this.

Speaker 7 Like, if all the if every Eagle got arrested, yeah, if they shut down the team, there's still

Speaker 1 like your chances.

Speaker 7 Uh, no, okay, no, but if if we had beaten the eagles, yeah, I would have agreed.

Speaker 1 If we had won, I would have got, I would love our chances, I would like your chances as well. Yeah, uh, all right, so anything else on Luca? I just, it's baffling.
Uh, yeah, the Mavs.

Speaker 1 I need to, I need, I need Cuban unfiltered. That's what I really I I don't know that I'm sure he'll release some type of statement, but I would love for him to just.

Speaker 1 And people are blaming Cuban, which I like, obviously he had nothing to do with it, but he did have something to do with it because he sold the team.

Speaker 1 And Mark Cuban never in a million years would have traded Luca because he understands the NBA. And when you have a top five guy, you don't trade him when he's 25.

Speaker 1 And that's all like Windhorse and all the other guys on TV, the insiders are like, I've never gotten reached out by this many GMs and people within the league being like, this makes no sense.

Speaker 7 None of it makes sense to anyone except for Nico.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some other stuff weird. That is very weird.

Speaker 7 I feel like we're going to see the Athletic is going to write a post-mortem on this trade

Speaker 7 in like two months.

Speaker 7 That's when you're going to get the real one. Yeah.
Where it's like, here's exactly everything.

Speaker 7 We'll probably hear something later on this week, but I don't think we're going to know the full story for a while. And I don't think that this is done.

Speaker 7 Hey, credit to the NBA. It's Super Bowl week.
Yep. And all it took was the most bizarre trade of all time to get us to talk about the league.

Speaker 1 They are going to trash Luca this week. There's going to be a lot of, like, I even saw someone be like, well, they don't know his injury might take him longer to get back.
Who cares?

Speaker 1 He could have been out for this entire year. You still don't trade him.
Oh, they were worried about giving him the Supermax. Who cares? It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Fourth of July, Kevin Durant Warriors was like the last time. Yeah, where I was shocked.

Speaker 1 And that was, you know, how shocking it is when you saw actual players like Kevin Durant being shown on the sideline and him being like, what? How is this? I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 The part that I can't get over, like, take out the fact that it's shocking Luca got traded.

Speaker 1 Like, the Mavs,

Speaker 1 they'll be good, but only for a couple more years. Who knows what's going to happen with the Mavs?

Speaker 1 Everyone wants Luca.

Speaker 1 Why didn't you just say, hey, Luca's available? Every team would have lined up to give everything for Luca.

Speaker 7 That's the part that makes you do the wind horse fingers. It's like, why?

Speaker 7 Why this guy? And then why don't you give every other team an opportunity to bring their best and final offer? And then you get a fucking king's ransom.

Speaker 1 ransom because luca even said he had no idea about this which i again you're you're right like we're going to find out more in a couple months but the only way that it would this trade would make sense is if luca said to them hey i'm never signing the super max here all i want to do is go to the lakers and then he has to do whatever he can to get him to lakers but i don't think even then you're if you're a gm just you you have all you have the leverage go trade him somewhere i don't think that would happen what what player would be like i don't want to sign the supermax players sign with shitty teams for super maxes all the time yeah so bradley beal ended up in phoenix But the thing is, with the GM in his statement that he put out afterwards, he said, like, this is us getting ahead of what could be a tumultuous summer as we decide whether or not to give him the Super Max.

Speaker 7 He basically didn't want to have to make a hard decision. It's not a hard decision.
So he traded.

Speaker 1 It's not a hard decision. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Sign him to Supermax, put him on Ozempic.
That's an easy decision. I don't get it.
None of this makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 I'll be baffled forever for this trade unless something crazy comes out. It's like Luca actually is going to retire and move back to Europe.
What about the International League?

Speaker 1 What about it?

Speaker 1 What if I don't know what Super Maxes?

Speaker 1 I floated this. I'm going to go to the Super Max at home.

Speaker 7 I floated this on the plane. I don't know if that's what Max is bringing up.

Speaker 1 That they're starting to get a lot of money.

Speaker 1 This might not be a wonderful conspiracy theory.

Speaker 7 It might not be a mid for the podcast, but since Max brought it up, I was like, oh, what if LeBron, when he starts his International League, he gets the Saudi oil money in and Luca knows that he's going to be able to get paid $500 million.

Speaker 1 Was this before or after the Hanks said that we have like five years max left to live? Because the AIDS is a major majority. Maybe that's why Nico isn't sacred anymore.

Speaker 1 Maybe Nico is under the line of thinking of Hank, where it's just joking around. Luca, we only have a five-year window on life.
I'm just trying to

Speaker 1 kill time. Luca being 25 means nothing.

Speaker 7 He's like, Have you noticed that we don't talk about the bridge in Baltimore anymore?

Speaker 1 Something's up. The dolphins?

Speaker 7 By the end of it, Hank is cracking.

Speaker 1 There's an underwater volcano that's going to go off, and no one cares about it. I think Hank fully believes that we're living in simulation.
It's not a podcast discussion.

Speaker 1 You brought up the simulation.

Speaker 7 I got you deep into the simulation. I didn't even know about the simulation until you brought it up.
But now you think you're living in one.

Speaker 1 No, but you think you're living in one and you're trying to indoctrinate me. Oh, wow.

Speaker 7 You're too real. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You are too real. You keep it too real.
I was just trying to have some light combo with the boys. Like about we're all gonna die

Speaker 1 Oh, while we're on the plane, let's talk about some plane accident. Yeah, memes being like, oh, yeah, some British TikToker predicted that there would be a plane crash of a social media company.

Speaker 2 So that was

Speaker 2 social media company.

Speaker 1 A couple. Yeah, a couple.
We're a couple.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to enjoy it. I'm going to kiss it again with you guys.
So the International Basketball League, that could be a thing. Worldwide Wob said, I will say this.

Speaker 1 Something I've been made privy to this morning.

Speaker 1 The timing of the International Basketball League League is not a coincidence. Oh,

Speaker 1 was I right? Worldwide Wob.

Speaker 1 Source. Question.
Answer. Score.
Oh,

Speaker 1 I was looking at Twitter.

Speaker 2 Answer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's over. Salts are at five.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Minute 12 left. They locked it on the birds.
Yeah, who cares?

Speaker 1 I want the Sixers a tank anyway.

Speaker 1 Other sports.

Speaker 7 Well, there was one other person that weighed in on this trade, Schefter. Oh.
Adam Schefter. And I think we have to discuss this with him at the Combine.
But he tweeted out an NFL equivalent.

Speaker 7 The Ravens trading Lamar Jackson Plus to the Bengals in exchange for Joe Burrow Plus.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Not even close.

Speaker 7 You don't agree with that? First of all, I don't know. The ages are different.

Speaker 1 I told him that Lamar Jackson Plus and Joe Burrow. Who is who in this?

Speaker 7 That sounds like a streaming service. Yeah.
Like he's exchanging two different ages.

Speaker 7 But in that, there's no ADs.

Speaker 1 The one that I saw that made sense for the NFL would be like after the Bengals went to the Super Bowl because they lost in the Super Bowl, like Matt, like the Mavs lost in the finals, it'd be like trading Joe Burrow for like Dak Prescott.

Speaker 1 You'd be like, why? Why would you do that?

Speaker 7 If Dak had won anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess if Dak had won with the

Speaker 1 bubble champion. Matt Stafford.
Matt Stafford. Yeah, the bubble champion.
Yeah, Matt Stafford would be a great staffer.

Speaker 1 But yeah, like trading Joe Burrow in his prime

Speaker 1 right before, like to someone who's also good, but I guess, yeah not saffords more because dak is 17th ranked quarterback someone who's older and it's like why would you do that that makes no sense but nice trishafter but i like him getting involved yeah and then everybody else was just putting trades in in nfl terms all day do you think woge would have known about this i think woge is this a woge vacuum where we we were surprised because woge isn't with us here's what i like to imagine happened I like to imagine that Woge got the scoop.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And he had it first.

Speaker 1 He knew it for a week.

Speaker 7 And he looked at his phone, and there was a moment where he thought to himself,

Speaker 7 I'm about to go back to the old me. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then he smiled and he goes, nope, I left that life behind a long time ago. And he put the phone away and just didn't log on for about 12 hours.

Speaker 1 He sees Beer Man in the St. Bonnie's student section.
He's like, no, this is the life I live now. Yeah.
I'm here with my people. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like to think he knew.

Speaker 1 He should have just tweeted being like, I knew about this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just to piss everyone off. Just eyeballs.
It was waiting for this to come out. Crazy story.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 7 They told me about this two months ago. Just give us, give us the eyeballs next time you know something.
You don't have to break it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he could do that for every single one. All right.
Other national sports podcast news.

Speaker 1 Coach Cal going back to Kentucky, dropped his nuts

Speaker 1 on Kentucky. That sucked for Kentucky fans.
I also, did you guys see there was like multiple people being like, don't boo him?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was a big conversation. Yeah, fucking boo him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, boom. Boom.
He wanted to leave. Boom.
You can celebrate him when time has passed and he's not coaching the SEC anymore.

Speaker 1 There'll be a night where you can have Cal come back and celebrate the 2012 team and all that shit. You boo him when he comes back right now.

Speaker 7 Yeah, agreed. He's a league rival.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Boom.

Speaker 1 Boom. Boo the fuck out of him.

Speaker 1 Chip Kelly's back in the NFL.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Raiders.
Love that.

Speaker 1 Is he just going to bounce around? I kind of like this.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think so. I don't know if one place can tie old Chip down.
Yeah. But yeah, he had a great season at Ohio.
His stock was at a high. It was at a premium.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 7 And so Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly.

Speaker 7 Do I like what they're building in Las Vegas? I think I might. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I forgot this one.

Speaker 1 Stad Hole Sports, our guy, he did mention that Luca was 300 points away from breaking the all-time Mavs record for points scored, which is held by Michael Finley.

Speaker 1 Michael Finley is part of the front office.

Speaker 7 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 So maybe Michael Finley was like, can't lose this. Stat.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 Luca's actually 300 pounds.

Speaker 10 Sacramento is finalizing a trade to send D'Aaron Fox to the San Antonio Spurs in a multi-team trade that moves Chicago Bulls Zach Levine to the Kings.

Speaker 1 Yes, all right. They did it.

Speaker 7 All right, so De'Aaron Fox is the Spurs.

Speaker 1 De'Aaron Fox on the Bulls would be fun.

Speaker 1 No, we want to lose. I feel like that's a great trade for the Spurs.
You and I are off the bottom. Darren Fox is a good one.

Speaker 1 Where do the Spurs give up?

Speaker 1 Terms are not out yet.

Speaker 7 Okay, so it must be somebody really good.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 that's great. That's great for the Spurs.
I want to see Wimby in some actual serious playoff time this year.

Speaker 1 Wait, so

Speaker 1 what else is in the trade? De'Aaron Fox, the Spurs,

Speaker 1 Bulls. So what do the Bulls get?

Speaker 1 Did they even get a pick? They're cut sweet right now. It's finally.
Let's lose some games. No, it's the Bulls actually did it.
Lose, get picks, lose some more, more picks.

Speaker 1 That's, I mean, they, they're, they shouldn't, I'm tired of being the 10 seed yeah and losing the playing game bulls need to get mellow you want you want the balls together

Speaker 1 and drafts

Speaker 1 Chicago would be would be electric. Yeah, the Chicago Balls

Speaker 1 Glenny Glenny's their coach

Speaker 1 All right, so all right, that was good breaking moves

Speaker 1 It doesn't hit like the Luca trade though. No, nothing's gonna hit like the Luca trade.
That wasn't where we're like that was I was I was in bed everyone everyone remembers where they were.

Speaker 1 I was also in bed. I was in bed, and then I didn't sleep for like an hour and a half.
Like, I was ready to go to sleep. One last check, and then I was like, there's no way this is happening.

Speaker 1 And then I was sleeping.

Speaker 1 I was so exhausted from the Taylor Mathis versus Jeff Neguse spaces that I had to go to bed. I was sleeping, and Stephen Chase tweet broke in the news to me.
What was Stephen Chase's tweet again?

Speaker 1 It was so fucking dumb. That's how I found it.
And I was so pissed.

Speaker 7 A baby that was conceived during the Mavericks Celtics finals would not yet be born, and Luca is no longer on the Mavericks.

Speaker 1 What a stupid fucking tweet. I read it like four times.
I was like, what does this mean? And then I finally read the quote tweet underneath and I was like, holy shit. It just means

Speaker 1 less than nine months happened. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

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Speaker 1 Who's back of the week? Fantastic, fantastic drinks for the golf course. Let's go.
Yes. Especially the Barry Blast, my favorite.
Way to work golf into it. And my who's back week is Roy McElroy.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He's smashing.
Nice.

Speaker 7 What do you do?

Speaker 1 He won the ATT Pro-Am at Pell Beach. Okay.

Speaker 1 I saw it. 27th went on tour.

Speaker 7 He nuked a drive like 340 yards and then hit a 7-Iron, 220.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 easy Eagle.

Speaker 7 If I had that distance, I'd be so good.

Speaker 1 The Bulls got no picks.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.

Speaker 1 But this is Kevin Herner, though.

Speaker 1 Kevin Herder.

Speaker 1 Red hair. And he's a friend of ours.
Yeah. Fuck yeah.
Herder injured. I knew they were.

Speaker 1 They just got rid of Levine. They weren't going to get picks.
I think we said this with Rasil. Like, they're not.
They weren't going to get picks.

Speaker 1 So they just offloaded Levine, basically. Yeah, so, but they're going to get picks when they keep their pick by not finishing in the playing game.

Speaker 1 They're getting worse. I'm updating my tweet.
Okay, no picks now, but picks coming, I think.

Speaker 1 No picks.

Speaker 7 They got to get worse before you get it.

Speaker 1 No picks now.

Speaker 7 They get real bad.

Speaker 1 But picks when they lose.

Speaker 2 Do you guys have caps?

Speaker 1 They keep their picks. Well, yeah, because Zach Levine was taking up a lot.
The picks when they lose,

Speaker 1 that's the plan.

Speaker 1 Balls.

Speaker 1 Picks in the future.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Picks in the future.
Parentheses, maybe.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Rory McElroy. Golf doesn't start till the Masters.
What are we doing?

Speaker 7 But this is a tune-up for the Masters.

Speaker 1 This might be his year. This is the Masters tune-up? Oh, his year to what? Blow it and finish second? No.

Speaker 1 This is the year. He might turn it around.

Speaker 7 You think so?

Speaker 1 Kind of after this weekend.

Speaker 7 I like Jake Knapp. He's great swinging.
A little long shot.

Speaker 1 A little younger, but yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 20,000 to 1.

Speaker 1 Okay. I like Max Oma.

Speaker 1 7, too. It's Max Week.
It's Max Week. It's Super Max Week.
Super Max Week. Birds Week.
Yeah. Birds Week, Max Week.
Okay, PFT,

Speaker 7 truly good. Do people call him Trulian Edelmans?

Speaker 1 I think I might show it.

Speaker 7 Pass me one of those Trulian Edelmans.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 7 I feel like that's got legs.

Speaker 7 By Who's Back of the Week is Six Nations Rugby.

Speaker 1 Rugby is Regulations. Oh, you guys are just so on brand right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Listen, if you can't get up for Six Nations Rugby, there's something wrong with you. Check your ticker.
It's great.

Speaker 7 What? You don't like Six Nations Rugby, hang?

Speaker 1 Was this, I forget what day it was it, Thursday we're in the cave, or maybe Friday Friday and Saturday

Speaker 7 can you turn on some six nations and he was just like what yeah well he's gonna start watching it's incredible uh England Ireland had a great match on Saturday morning it's a perfect thing to watch on Saturday morning when there's nothing else if you don't want to watch soccer sevens no no it's full 15s yeah so it's 80-minute games actual starting national teams for all these countries and they just beat the fuck out of each other it's incredible to watch are we in it no we're not one of the six nations oh it's like the four aces i probably couldn't name all of them.

Speaker 7 Italy,

Speaker 1 Wales,

Speaker 1 England, that's like one nation. Ireland.

Speaker 7 No, these are the six nations.

Speaker 1 France,

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 7 who's the six nations?

Speaker 1 Australia.

Speaker 2 All blacks. I was watching some Jordan Milotta.

Speaker 7 I think Six Nations.

Speaker 7 He's a problem.

Speaker 1 He was an issue on the pitch. Is it what they call it the pitch? Yeah, the pitch.
Focus on football, though. That's pretty sweet.
I mean, Jordan Milata. Scotland.
Scotland.

Speaker 7 Jordan Milata. Scotland, Six Nations.

Speaker 1 So we're going to win.

Speaker 7 We're not going to lose.

Speaker 1 We're going to finish second like Rory.

Speaker 7 No, we're not in it.

Speaker 1 This is the U.S. Oh, okay.
Yeah. So we're not going to lose.

Speaker 7 We're not going to lose. That's a guaranteed.

Speaker 1 All right, my who's back of the week is Kanye West. The Grammys were tonight.
He had his wife fully naked, hot. Not fully.
I guess she had a sheer.

Speaker 7 A sheer. She was wearing a sheer.

Speaker 1 Also, wasn't invited. Wasn't invited.
Hot. Oh, really? No.

Speaker 1 I saw Asei got kicked out

Speaker 1 on the court of him not being invited.

Speaker 1 Not the nakedness?

Speaker 1 So I assumed when he read the tweet, he's like, oh, he's getting removed from the Grammys because of nakedness. I was like, no.

Speaker 7 My general rule is if you're not invited somewhere, don't show up naked at that place.

Speaker 1 But I also think

Speaker 1 it should be a rule if you're as hot as his wife, you should be allowed to be naked, and it's not a problem.

Speaker 1 The hot people should be able to get naked. He kind of got cucked by Luca Tray, too, because he was doing his once-a-year random Twitter pop-in.
So that was tweets a million things, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, and that probably would have been what people were talking about this morning: like, oh, did you see Kanye's crazy tweets?

Speaker 1 And nope, so he tweeted, uh, he tweeted, Kamala seems like a very nice human. I just want to say sorry to her kids, and I was like, Oh, that's weird.

Speaker 1 And then I didn't realize that he had, it was because he had just deleted a tweet that said, I used to want to fuck Kamala until she lost. I don't fuck losers anymore,

Speaker 1 and he spelled losers with two O's.

Speaker 1 I also like how he said anymore. That like he

Speaker 1 recently was fucking losers. Yeah, Kim Kardashian, she's a loser.

Speaker 1 And then also,

Speaker 7 my who's back is the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 1 So it happened. Jey Uso won.
Very popular with fans, but huge surprise, he won. Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins were both eliminated by CM Punk.
I'm just reading Brandon's text to me.

Speaker 1 Punk was eliminated by Logan Paul. Speed took that hit.
Stream, yes. I show Speed was speared by Braun Breaker.
Braun is Rick Steiner's son. Cody beat Kevin Owens in a ladder match.

Speaker 1 Was that John Surrey's last match ever? What?

Speaker 1 I thought I saw that. Oh, no, he's on a retirement year.
His last. It was his last one.
He's doing Rumble. Yeah, his last Rumble.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that happened.
I mean, the spear was awesome.

Speaker 1 He was. I showed Speed needs.
That was legit. He took a big-time bump.

Speaker 1 Max Hoosier, who's back of the week?

Speaker 1 I normally don't ball who's back of the week. Arsenal.
Arsenal.

Speaker 1 Tap was three

Speaker 1 excited about an Arsenal. Do you know what happened?

Speaker 1 They beat Man City. 5-1.

Speaker 1 Yep. I was going to say 4-1.
Quite a result. Might have been 4-1.
Quite a result. Quite a result for the footy.

Speaker 1 Huge result.

Speaker 7 Bad result for Man Yu today.

Speaker 7 Bad result.

Speaker 1 Yeah, are they getting relegated?

Speaker 7 No, but they're getting towards the bottom of the league. It'd just be very funny if Man Yu got relegated.

Speaker 1 That would be the funny thing. I'm rooting for that.
Yeah, that would be funny. Me

Speaker 1 as a fan of the footy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Rooting for that. Max, you're out of your walking boot.
Yeah, but it'll be back on during the Super Bowl. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I have it with me. If anyone missed Max's performance in the case race, go watch it because he was laying the boom.
I was drawing. I dropped some bumps.
Laying the boom.

Speaker 7 That was not a Coke reference. That was like an actual wrestling.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you have any athletes reach out to you?

Speaker 1 Colin Gillespie. Yeah.
Nice. That was awesome.
That was huge. No.
Any others?

Speaker 7 Colin Gillespie. Oh, I was thinking Colin Gillespie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that.

Speaker 7 It's weird weird that there's two guys.

Speaker 1 Colin Gillespie, you know, a legend. And what did he say? Animal.

Speaker 1 Exclamation point. Exclamation point.
Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interview with Andrew Luck. Then we're going to talk to Brian Windhorse.
Then we have a very special Monday reading.

Speaker 1 And we're also going to get a prediction from Max on the Super Bowl score, which we're going to do every single show this week.

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Speaker 7 And now here's Andrew Luck.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. This is a long time coming.
It is Andrew Luck in studio. It is so long time coming, Andrew.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if you'd realize this, but

Speaker 1 your good friend and our good friend Sam Schwarzenegger is here.

Speaker 1 He's been working on it for probably six or seven years, but there was a moment where this podcast was going to read a book just to try to get you on this show.

Speaker 1 Do you know how hard that is for us to read a book? And we were willing to do it to try to get into your book club to have you come be a guest. So we've been waiting a long time for this.

Speaker 2 That's amazing to know. I do think you can do it.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 I know you can.

Speaker 1 I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 But that's like, just to put it in perspective,

Speaker 1 our listeners, we've been doing this for nine years are nodding along being like, holy shit. That's like when they're like, oh, do you pay for guests?

Speaker 1 No, we don't pay for guests, but we did almost read a book for Andrew Love.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we tried to read the book. We bought Boys in the Boat.
I think that was book one of your book club. And we got through the first page and we're like, this isn't for us.

Speaker 7 And then we had Blake Bortles on the show. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And so we said, you know what? Instead of doing a book club, let's just do the Blake Bortles Wikipedia Club. Yeah.
Where every time he's on the show, he'll pick a different topic.

Speaker 7 We'll all read that Wikipedia page and then we'll discuss.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did it lead to substantive discussion about new topics?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there were. There were a couple new topics.
I can't remember what we did. I mean, the big one was that Blake learned that snow is wet.

Speaker 1 He had not realized it being from Florida. From Doo.

Speaker 1 oh man.

Speaker 1 All right, let's you know, let's start there because I have a million questions, but when you see an introductory press conference from a coach, knowing that you've lived it, are you like, should we as stupid fans judge this?

Speaker 1 Or is it like, this is all just the same shit?

Speaker 1 You have to Liam Cohen doing the doo.

Speaker 1 Oh, you didn't. Oh, you just had that quote.

Speaker 2 I don't have heavy internet purchase or access.

Speaker 2 Honestly, everybody needs a friend like Sam for many, many reasons, including I know about you guys because he will send me text messages back in the day of big cat soccer takes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were bad.

Speaker 2 That's how I know about you.

Speaker 1 They were always bad. No, they were great.

Speaker 1 I mean, we do think. Yeah, you got to give me contact.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 we'll skip that.

Speaker 1 The phone thing,

Speaker 1 do you still have a flip phone?

Speaker 2 No, when my daughter was born, I realized I needed pictures. Yes.
It was a deep.

Speaker 2 primal need to take pictures of my daughter and share pictures of my daughter. And now that I'm going to be able to do that.
That's fair.

Speaker 2 Receive pictures of my daughter.

Speaker 1 How long did you, I mean, that flip phone thing, that was real. You were just like, I don't want to be attached to the internet.

Speaker 1 I don't want to have people be able to text me all the time and call me all the time. I want a flip phone.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was real. I'll be honest, I don't think I thought too much about it.
I had it in high school, and I did not feel the need

Speaker 2 to upgrade per se. And I still am happy I didn't upgrade until when I upgraded.
And there's still a massive part of me that wants to go back. Yeah.
But having a real job and like, look at me now.

Speaker 2 I got two phones, baby. Two iPhones.

Speaker 1 Oh. Two computers.
Oh.

Speaker 7 So you're texting like, non-stop now.

Speaker 2 I'm trying not not to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But what do you got, two? It's like, yeah, you are on call with your real job. You are the GM of Stanford.
Yeah. Is that fair to say? Is that the official title?

Speaker 1 It's absolutely fair.

Speaker 7 So how is that? What is your day-to-day like?

Speaker 2 The day-to-day is a lot.

Speaker 2 We hopped in during the transfer portal.

Speaker 2 And when I say we, I mean the assistant GM as well, also named Sam, different Sam than that Sam, also Stanford Grad, a great guy. But we hopped in during the transfer portal.

Speaker 2 And the day-to-day during a transfer portal was a lot different than the day-to-day now of like, okay, the roster, there's some solidity around it.

Speaker 1 We obviously prepare for another portal in April,

Speaker 2 but different focus now. Feels a little bit like a nine-to-five job, not like, oh my gosh, I've got to call this parent up of a

Speaker 2 20-year-old wide receiver from University XYZ and discuss many things about why Stanford makes sense for him. So it's been a lot.

Speaker 2 It's been like drinking from a fire hose in many ways, but I love the school, love the university, and we're on the right path.

Speaker 1 Were you watching tape of some of the transfer portfolios? No, I was

Speaker 2 the system that we had,

Speaker 2 I inserted myself of watching the quarterbacks

Speaker 2 because I felt like that's, yeah, like I had to. I played quarterback.

Speaker 2 Obviously, that is where my expertise is, and I'd watch a little bit else. But no, I trust our folks, our guys and gals, to go through the process and make sure we're getting out there

Speaker 2 with kids that can play ball and handle the academic rigor.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so let's just say me and Big Cat are five-star recruits, both play quarterback.

Speaker 7 What's your pitch to us? Because we're also getting offers from Miami, LSU, Ohio State, James Madison, all the big dogs, University of Texas. And then you want Stanford to be in that.

Speaker 7 You want us to be Stanford football players.

Speaker 2 There's a couple things. One, John Elway, Jim Plunkett, myself, Kevin Hogan, incredible history.
Our head coach, quarterback.

Speaker 2 When I went to Stanford, head coach was a quarterback, Jim Harbaugh. Your guy's best friend, I understand.

Speaker 2 Yes. Awesome.

Speaker 2 Two, we are competitive in the NIL world.

Speaker 2 And the Stanford decision both is NIL here and now, and then I think in many ways, OG NIL of like, you're going to be connected to the best network in the world in whatever industry you want to go in.

Speaker 2 This place produces leaders at a scale that no other place in the world does. I mean, Stanford is special in that way.
And you're going to have a long NFL career. You're going to crush it in college.

Speaker 2 You're going to go to bowl games, going to do all that, all that fun stuff.

Speaker 2 And then at some point, you know, you're going to have to transition to be a podcast host and a, you know, running a multi-billion dollar media conglomerate.

Speaker 2 And you're going to want to know Stanford people to help you get there.

Speaker 1 Okay, question. That was a really good

Speaker 1 speech. And we're very interested in Stanford.
If we attend Stanford, will we have to read a book?

Speaker 1 Yeah, baby. Okay.
All right. We're out, Lou.
We're out.

Speaker 7 My condition I just want I want to have a phone call with Tiger Woods.

Speaker 1 Oh. Can you make that happen? Absolutely.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Tiger was an honorary captain for us twice while I played. I think he's been an honorary captain a few times.

Speaker 2 There's a great story. We lost both of those games, though, so I got like a bone to pick with Tiger about that.

Speaker 2 But it's a great story about Tiger that David Shaw, our old hood coach, used to say, and he was our coordinator when I was earlier in my career at Stanford, where David played for Stanford, so they got back at like 2 or 3 a.m.

Speaker 2 from like Corvallis or somewhere, played a game of the weekend, and it was raining. And it doesn't off rain up in Palo Alto and on campus, although it is raining today, I think.

Speaker 2 And they get back, it's like 2 or 3 a.m.

Speaker 2 They're riding their bikes back to the dorms, and there's a guy standing in like the grass in the courtyard between the dormitories, like with some type of club like whacking the ground.

Speaker 2 People are like, who is that? What's going on? So Coach Shaw walks over and it's like, Tiger, what are you doing? He's like, it doesn't rain enough here. I need to practice in the rain.

Speaker 1 That's perfect. I love that.

Speaker 7 Committed to it.

Speaker 1 Did you, when David Shaw was your head coach, were you ever like, hey, maybe we don't punt every time?

Speaker 2 No. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 That's just a gambling thing where

Speaker 1 he has punted in like,

Speaker 1 I think probably in the, on the like, plus 35. I think I've seen him punt before.
He likes to punt.

Speaker 2 He's not punted on the plus 35.

Speaker 1 I believe so against Northwestern. I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure I could find him punting.

Speaker 2 Okay, the internet will tell us.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going to find it.

Speaker 7 I'm going to find it. He does worst punts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I have a.

Speaker 1 He liked to punt. He liked to punt.
There were times when he liked to punt. All right, so how are you feeling physically?

Speaker 1 Are you still having any nagging injuries or you feel good?

Speaker 2 I feel great. I am grateful for where my body's at.

Speaker 2 I can ski with my kids and ski with my dad and ski with my friends. I can go surf.
I can fly fish. I can hike.
I can camp.

Speaker 2 I can try to play old man pickup basketball, but that's hard. Like, you got to be in shape.
Yeah. And I'm not in shape enough to do that.

Speaker 7 You just find somebody that's equally in bad shape and you say, hey, let's just not run. I'll defend you.
You defend me. We're not going to set any picks.
We'll hang out at the three-point line. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's a good one.

Speaker 2 But you don't often get to just do that, though. Yeah.
You know, sometimes you actually have to play defense and box out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's true. I don't like that.
Every time I play basketball, if I just get through it without an injury, I'm like, that's a good day.

Speaker 2 It's a win.

Speaker 6 That's a great day playing basketball.

Speaker 1 That's a big win.

Speaker 2 And it's fun to play pickup hoops.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Genuinely fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's good to just get a sweat going. That is a good one.
Get a sweat going, not get injured. That's a successful workout for me.

Speaker 7 Your coach at Stanford, Jim Harbaugh, great friend of ours. We all know he's a little, he's a special guy.
He's a very different guy.

Speaker 7 When was the first time that you realized that, hey, Jim Harbaugh is wired a little bit differently from everybody else?

Speaker 2 That's a good question. Good question.
Thank you. Great question.
Great question.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Fantastic question.

Speaker 2 He certainly has a charisma and an energy that comes off of him that is authentic.

Speaker 2 And it's part of what I think drew a lot of us recruiting-wise to Stanford at that moment.

Speaker 2 He was hired after a 1-11 season and some down years.

Speaker 2 And so to go there around that time, I think you took a leap of faith. I certainly took a leap of faith.
But

Speaker 2 I think the 17-year-old Andrew myself realized that he was going to get the most out of me as a quarterback, like that it was going to be hard and challenging, but that's, I think, what I wanted, and I think what a lot of the guys who went to Stanford wanted was to be pushed and to get, you know, to become the best version of football player they could be under him.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think of specific moments. I do remember sitting in his office with my father.

Speaker 2 Like, my dad took me for spring break out to the west coast to like do like unofficial visits or whatever and then go ski in Tahoe, which was an an awesome father-son trip, and go to a San Jose Earthquakes game, which was super fun too.

Speaker 2 Uh, I remember sitting in his office, and we were sitting there during construction, and Jim was like, Ah, don't mind, don't mind the construction, they're building me a bathroom.

Speaker 2 We're trimming fat, we're cutting drag, really efficient.

Speaker 2 Uh, I thought, yeah, this guy's thinking about efficiency on football, so you have his own bathroom, and this bathroom is a little bit controversial.

Speaker 2 I think there's a great Pete Carroll quote about it where he's like, Well, we at USC walk down the hall like everybody else, do you?

Speaker 1 The rivalry rocks, it's wasted energy.

Speaker 2 Yep, cut and drag, trimming the fat.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that was how the experience for playing him was like. I mean, you were kept on your toes.
There was a lot of energy. You were pushed, like, pushed hard.
It was challenging.

Speaker 2 You know, football is not an easy game. It's not easy to be a good team.
It's not easy to develop players. And he certainly pushed us and challenged us.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he is a great coach, and you see it even with the Chargers this year.

Speaker 1 They're in a rebuilding year, and they went to the playoffs, and his culture, you just see it in the post-game and how much everyone buys in.

Speaker 1 Was that immediate when you got to Stanford and you're like, okay, this is like everyone's bought into what he's selling, and you can feel it in the locker room, and you can feel it in training camp.

Speaker 2 That's a good question, I think.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'm going to stop saying good question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to do that.

Speaker 1 Is this a big single time? Is this like a big thing? No matter what.

Speaker 7 You say good question, then we all compliment you.

Speaker 7 But it's a very effective technique in terms of like, if you get asked a question, then you say, good question, it gives you like five seconds to think about what your answer is going to be like.

Speaker 1 And then we just compliment each other.

Speaker 2 I'm hedging for time. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I forgot the question. Yeah, it was such a good question.

Speaker 1 It was such a good question. It was such a good question.
Like in terms of culture,

Speaker 1 when you get to Stanford and you're watching how he deals with the team and how he coaches the team, was it immediate where you're like, okay, this is the, I made the right choice and what he's doing and what he's building here is going to be special?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't doubt that for a second.

Speaker 2 And the staff was awesome. I mean, I coached Shaw, Willie Taggart.
I mean, like, we were around an amazing staff, our strength coach, Shannon Turley.

Speaker 2 But I also think, like, as an 18-year-old, part of me, I think once you get there, you're just like, I just want to do everything right and be a good teammate and be a player.

Speaker 2 And you don't, I wasn't thinking too big picture about it. And I certainly didn't go in, like, I decided to go to Stanford, so why would I go in and doubt what this was all about? Right.

Speaker 2 So I don't think I was thinking too, too, too much sort of at the meta level

Speaker 2 about it.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 we I think the proof does have to be in the pudding on things, right? Like and we I think when I while we red shirted my freshman year, we won more games than the previous year.

Speaker 2 So you can point to that as proof of progress. And then

Speaker 2 I think we understood that this was going to work and it sort of did. And also like I got to play around there.
There's some really incredible football players. Like last last night we had

Speaker 2 Sam and I had dinner with Jim Dre, the tight ends coach for the Chicago Bears. He was one of the older guys in the the locker room

Speaker 1 when we came there.

Speaker 2 He was an incredibly tough dude.

Speaker 2 He tore everything in his knee on punt before we got there and walked himself unaided across the field

Speaker 2 to get off, right?

Speaker 2 And then comes back and he's a second, I think he ended his career at Stanford as second team all-conference,

Speaker 2 Pac-10 at the time, R.I.P.,

Speaker 2 with 17 catches.

Speaker 2 And what tight end gets a second-team all-conference?

Speaker 2 But he was tough. He blocked.
He did everything right. So we played with a bunch of good players and had a lot of fun and bought in.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Did they call in the big guns when they were recruiting you and they did they have Stanford Steve give you a call?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I didn't talk to Stanford Steve until I'd made it. Okay.
Yeah, then he gave me the time of day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, then he was like, all right, I don't know what you got.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 fourth and five from the Northwestern 37. Okay.
Punt.

Speaker 2 Is that plus 35?

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, punt.

Speaker 7 It's plus 30. Plus 37.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that's a crazy punt with Christian McCaffrey. 10-3 game, second half, fourth and five on the Northwestern 37.

Speaker 1 I remember these things.

Speaker 2 That is impressive.

Speaker 2 He's the winningest coach all time in Stanford football team. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 For me, it's like, I'll just, if I ever meet him, I'm just going to be like, why'd you punt on the 37 in 2015 against Northwestern?

Speaker 2 That game was here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. And

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure I bet Stanford because I was like, oh, there's no chance that, you know, Northwestern is going to beat Stanford. And then he punted on the 37, and I was mad for life.

Speaker 2 I'm so uncomfortable. You talk about betting on Stanford

Speaker 1 right now.

Speaker 1 You guys were good. No more.

Speaker 1 What about the bowl game against Oklahoma State when you guys, did you guys, you ran the same run play? Was it 13 times in a row?

Speaker 1 Was that it?

Speaker 2 No, not in the bowl game versus Oklahoma State.

Speaker 1 Who was it?

Speaker 2 I need to check the archives with Sam just said.

Speaker 1 It was against SC, USC?

Speaker 7 Sam just said that you punted, what, 30? You only punted 34 times. You only punted 34 times when you were at the quarterback.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, you were a little different than, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you don't have to have your teams punt that much. So, uh, all right, so the punt can be an incredibly effective punt from the 37.

Speaker 2 Like, I got to play with Pat and Indy, and he had an all-pro year as a punter. And it, like,

Speaker 2 when you're pinning guys

Speaker 2 in the 10 and the 5.

Speaker 1 Oh, this was a touchback, by the way.

Speaker 1 It's a 17-yard punt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, there you go.

Speaker 2 Next topic.

Speaker 1 Walked right into that one.

Speaker 7 I do love the fact that you enjoy a good punt. Jim Tressel, he's honest about

Speaker 2 He's got a good sweater vest, too.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's the biggest fan. It's the only play in football where it changes possession.

Speaker 7 Like designed.

Speaker 1 By design. By design.
By design.

Speaker 7 So what was the hardest thing that you had to do at Stanford? You said that it was like you want to challenge yourself. You get there and you're like, oh,

Speaker 7 this is really hard playing competitive college football. What was the hardest thing that stood out and you're like, okay, this isn't high school anymore?

Speaker 2 We had tough practices. Now, as a quarterback, football practice is fun.
I think as a lineman, football practice isn't fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 2 So So like we used to, like freshman year, red shirting, you know, and maybe red shirting is not in vogue anymore, and I'm not sure why.

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 one of Coach Taylor's our head coaches quotes, we were talking recently, I was like, Andrew, you know, not all experience is good experience.

Speaker 2 You know, you can go out early in football and be damaged in a sense.

Speaker 2 But redshirting, we used to have these Wednesdays of just like grinder.

Speaker 2 full-padded

Speaker 2 scout team. You know, we were running the scout team.
I maintain we may have had one of the better scout teams ever in the history of college football, like David DeCastro, John Martin, Sam

Speaker 2 was center,

Speaker 2 Griff Whalen, Chris Awusu would come down and play. Like, he was an all-American kick returner, you know, fast, incredible.

Speaker 2 It was awesome. But these would be like 30-play periods of full pads against us.

Speaker 2 And we called it the Death March, and we would just sort of hum the, you know, the Star Wars, whatever it is, you know, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, like the whole time.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 we survived those and I think that we proved our mettle to each other and I think that sort of helped us build this mythology that we are a tough team. Even when we're redshirting,

Speaker 2 we're doing 30 plays in a row of run to get to get our guys ready. So that was fun.
And balancing school and sports is hard. I mean, it is hard.

Speaker 2 We do read books and go to class and

Speaker 2 turn in our work and do all the little things right. And so

Speaker 2 while it's, you know, you've got to go earn it.

Speaker 2 And I certainly believe that about Stanford. I also think that's why Stanford's so special for me and why I believe in it.
And that like, you know, the hard things genuinely have value to them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And stuff that's given to you for free or for nothing is cheap

Speaker 2 at the end of the day. And there's nothing sort of cheap about the Stanford experience.

Speaker 1 What was it like being

Speaker 1 for two years straight, everyone being like, he's the number one pick, he's a generational talent?

Speaker 1 Because I always find that to be interesting to have that kind of pressure on a a college kid when we've seen it a couple times where, like, a guy stays and everyone just is like, hey, they're talking about him.

Speaker 1 And then what ends up happening is you kind of get picked apart a little bit because it's two straight years of being the number one pick. And you're like, hey, this is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 Just because I stayed, you're going to pick me apart now. Was that, did you feel that pressure of everyone talking about you like that? Bad question.
Okay. Bad question.
Okay. Bad question.

Speaker 1 So look, like, I think,

Speaker 2 did my friends talk about that? No, not at all. Did my teammates talk about it? No, not at all.

Speaker 2 Did my girlfriend who's at my wife talk about that? Not at all. Did

Speaker 2 friends on campus, professors? No. And I had a flip phone and I wasn't scrolling through whatever it was at the time.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 I was aware of the pressure. I also knew I'd earned.

Speaker 2 But part of it was I was like, I'd earned,

Speaker 2 I was aware also of how good I was at football.

Speaker 1 Right. So like, okay, cool.

Speaker 2 People think I'm the number one pick. Yeah, I understand why.
I'm I'm probably the best player.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Like it wasn't. That's got to be a cool pick.
It wasn't like an, and yeah, it was okay. And I don't mean that in like,

Speaker 2 like, yeah, my ego liked it for sure, but it was also like, you know, when you know, you know. Right.

Speaker 7 It's like earned confidence. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so, and I knew I'd, and I knew that we, and I was on a team that, that earned all of that confidence. Right.
Like it was not bravado.

Speaker 2 I think it was more of a level of self-awareness that like, okay, yeah, I, I get it, cool. But like I wasn't surrounding myself with it in a day.
Like there wasn't a slow drip into my brain

Speaker 1 of

Speaker 2 go out, you're number one, you're number one, whatever.

Speaker 1 That's a very healthy way to deal with it because I don't know how, I don't know a lot of 20, 21-year-olds that would be able to deal with it that way, having the whole world talk about you that way for two plus years of, hey, you're the number one pick.

Speaker 1 Whole world, though? Yeah, there's a lot of people in the world that don't care about they all love football. No, that is not true.
Yeah, those are losers. Yeah.
We don't care about those people.

Speaker 2 They don't listen to the show.

Speaker 1 They don't exist.

Speaker 7 Why do you get out of bed in the morning?

Speaker 7 Doing your mock drafts.

Speaker 1 The whole world that I care about is what I should have said.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 7 So as you go through that process, you're interviewing, you know, all the teams are bringing you in. They're talking to you.

Speaker 7 Actually, our colleague, John Gruden, said that you blew him away on the whiteboard.

Speaker 1 I have some questions from Coach Gruden.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so Coach Gruden fell in love with you immediately. I'm assuming that you talked to a lot of teams that were not ever going to be in a position to draft you.

Speaker 7 But how did those interviews go with teams that just kind of wanted to...

Speaker 2 I'll be honest, I didn't talk to teams that weren't in a position to draft me. Not knowing, like, I think they didn't want to waste their time.
I didn't want to waste mine.

Speaker 2 Like, I should say, like, the 49ers' staff was all my old Stanford staff by and large. So, of course, to talk to them and hang out and chat when I'm at the combine and show up.

Speaker 2 I wanted to get that experience and go to the room where everybody's sitting there and grabbing, like, you know, that was cool. But, like,

Speaker 2 I only really spoke with Indianapolis and Washington. Yeah.
Yeah. So, and,

Speaker 2 and, and again, like, I think I knew. Yeah.
You know, and Indy did make it somewhat clear eventually that, like, yeah, we'd like to pick you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And just having, yeah, the horseshoe and luck next to it. Oh, yeah.
Because I feel like it was destiny at that point.

Speaker 1 It's destiny. Yeah.
Do you want your Gruden questions right now? Sure.

Speaker 1 Okay. Um, what the first one, he's he, he said you have the greatest snap count in history, so he wants you to do the snap count.

Speaker 1 He's like, you've got to get him to do the snap count.

Speaker 2 Let's talk snap count for a sec because this is like such a niche part of playing quarterback that I worry so much with this whole like clap thing.

Speaker 2 And I think there's value to the clap, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 But I think Pat Mahomes is incredible at it.

Speaker 2 I bet if your stats, if your analytics team, I saw the whole analytics quarterback.

Speaker 1 Have you seen our analytics teams? These three guys.

Speaker 2 Big analytics team.

Speaker 1 How many PhDs between

Speaker 1 a bunch of

Speaker 1 Google it incorrectly.

Speaker 2 But I bet if you look at how many offsides he's drawn over the last his career since starting, I bet it's going to be probably the highest ever.

Speaker 1 It's just rough cheat.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Rogers.

Speaker 1 And then Rogers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So those two I really enjoyed.

Speaker 2 Certainly Aaron because he was older and I, you grew up watching. And I remember, you know, all the free plays.

Speaker 2 I feel like he would just hit a touchdown every other game to Jordy Nelson on a free play that was busted and they'd throw it up or Randall Cobb. Like it was awesome or James Jones.

Speaker 2 And then when I got to

Speaker 2 Stanford, Jim Harbaugh would do like a lesson for us on he's like,

Speaker 2 you got to have a voice to play quarterback. You got to have a voice.
You got to have a gravelly. It's got to cut.

Speaker 1 It's got to cut through. It's got to cut through everybody.
You got to cut. Got to cut.

Speaker 2 And so he wanted us to have

Speaker 1 not like Reddit. It had to have.

Speaker 1 It had to cut. It had to go.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I embraced it. I think part of what I loved about playing quarterback, there's all these little things that you actually can work on.

Speaker 2 And working on a snap count was something that was fun and enjoyable. And then, and we didn't draw a bunch of people off sides at Stanford, Stanford, not at all.

Speaker 2 But we were doing like double counts and long counts because we actually had play calls that where we killed and alerted things and needed to see what the defense was doing.

Speaker 2 So I was, I feel very fortunate I was taught how to play quarterback while I was there.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Jim Harbaugh, David Shaw, the way Greg Roman taught run game to me, it was a gift. I think I got to, one, it was awesome.

Speaker 2 That's what the identity of our team in many ways was this like very physical, tough, smart run game. And also when I got to the NFL, I felt like I'd been prepared to handle a run game.
Right.

Speaker 2 And if you can't, and if you can't operate a run game in the NFL,

Speaker 2 there's only so far your team's going to go. Right.

Speaker 2 I think I truly believe that.

Speaker 2 And then, yeah, snap count. Once I got to the NFL, though, Bruce Arians would dog my snap count in the first mini-camp because I would sit there and go, you know, you go and go like, Sigo,

Speaker 1 ran

Speaker 2 80.

Speaker 1 You know, just draw it out because I was thinking, I was like, like, oh, fuck, this is overwhelming.

Speaker 1 Andrew,

Speaker 2 you know, BA in his voice, which I can't do a great impression of,

Speaker 2 who was amazing as well and worth probably a podcast series on him as a coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 He had some very nice things to say about you, Tilly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we've had him on a couple of times to say about ZA as well.

Speaker 7 So we asked Bruce Arians if you were to take all the quarterbacks you've ever coached, because he's coached so many great quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 And if you were to piece them together by body part, by brain, okay, whose legs are you putting on here? Whose right arm? Whose brain? Whose heart?

Speaker 7 Whose hips are you taking? He goes, I'm going to stop you. It's just all one person.
And the answer is, Andrew Luck for everything. That's very kind.

Speaker 7 So he thought that you were the best quarterback at everything that he'd ever coached.

Speaker 7 But I'm sure that there was something like when he was working with you that you guys just clicked immediately and kind of got each other.

Speaker 2 He was awesome.

Speaker 2 He taught football and looked at football in such a different way. And like he, he treated, he coached everybody hard and like hard.
And it was, and I, and I appreciated that so much.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 2 and then he'd, you know, he'd, he'd cuss you out or, or like, you know, whatever, very colorful, like an odd mixture of like East Coast and Southern accent.

Speaker 1 I don't know quite where it lands. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like real pirate-filled language. And like, he'd tell Bear Bryant stories.
Like, oh my God, he coached under Bear Bryant at some point. Yeah.
That's, that's neat. But

Speaker 2 like with the snap count, he was like, Andrew, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 Speed it up. Like, we got to go.

Speaker 2 And this was part of his thing.

Speaker 2 Bruce had a, he didn't care about time of possession. He cared how many points per, you know, he wanted a point a minute.
If we couldn't get a point a minute,

Speaker 2 what's the point of holding on to the ball?

Speaker 1 What does it matter?

Speaker 2 He was awesome. And then I realized in snap, like,

Speaker 2 so the snap, I'm going to go back to the snap count because it's related to Bruce.

Speaker 2 Bruce was really fun to play with, Adam, for a year, and it was an incredible year, too, because Coach Pagano got sick with leukemia and Bruce took over.

Speaker 2 And I was certainly very focused on playing quarterback because you have to be. It's too overwhelming of a position to think about much else.

Speaker 2 But, like, it wasn't only honestly until I retired and looked back, like, oh my god, like, Coach Fagano was going through key, like, yeah, he was in a cancer ward five blocks from the stadium.

Speaker 1 Like, that's that's scary, right?

Speaker 2 That's nuts. And so, BA

Speaker 2 guided that ship and then certainly got the opportunity to be a head coach and have this amazing success, which I was super stoked for.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 with snap counts,

Speaker 2 because we got to go back to snap counts.

Speaker 1 Bruden said you have the best, ever, greatest snap count in history. It wasn't.
But

Speaker 2 I started to realize Anthony Costanza, like left tackles. Like, there's, I think there's like two personalities that play left tackle.

Speaker 2 Either you're completely type B and just like chill, or you are as neurotic as neurotic can be and just like so focused on everything to help give you an advantage because it is a tough position to play.

Speaker 2 I mean, really, really, really tough. And so I realized that Anthony and I started having these conversations about how to help each other, how to help each other and realize snap count was needed.

Speaker 2 Like to absolutely, you know, and it's obviously there's self-preservation as part of that.

Speaker 1 But we, you know,

Speaker 2 yeah, I realized like when you're under center, you know, on the hut, if you're doing a hard count, you needed your flex your bottom hand to make it look like the ball was about to come.

Speaker 2 So if you had a three-tech or a nose who got the jump on hand, like you use that.

Speaker 2 You had to marry snap counts and words from previous. And I wasn't, you know, this was a thing, this this was an iterative process.
So I was certainly better at it at the end of my career than not.

Speaker 1 But ah, snap counts.

Speaker 2 I hope football doesn't lose snap counts because they're too good. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You try to get me and Big Cat to jump.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So there's a couple different ways, but like the biggest way is this. Everybody knows, you know, hut is like the word to go.
So

Speaker 2 I preferred the hut hut hut rhythm

Speaker 1 as opposed to the hut-hut rhythm. Okay.

Speaker 2 Right. So an on one would be like, so go,

Speaker 2 color, number, color, number, hut. You know, sugo, green 80, green 80, hut.
And that's the ball snap, right? Yeah. And so then a hard count,

Speaker 2 the one I preferred, the one I settled on, the one I'd consider as part of my, like, it's my baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'd be curious if other, if other coaches or other quarterbacks think about this, was like, so go,

Speaker 2 green 90.

Speaker 1 Green 90, hut, hot!

Speaker 1 I jumped. I jumped.
That was awesome.

Speaker 1 I don't do that enough. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's your baby.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm just going to start.

Speaker 1 I'm just scared to walk to the airport. I'm going to walk to the midway to Vegas thinking about that all the time.
That's great. You'll be like, got you move.
Yeah. Yeah.
Great question by Grew.

Speaker 1 All right, so here's the other question. This one's not as nice.
He said, I thought he had the ugliest beard in the history of quarterbacks, and I studied this carefully.

Speaker 1 It's a weird question. I like that.
I studied this carefully because I actually believe Grew.

Speaker 2 Did you join Grew to not study anything?

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. I believe that he literally had like a big board of all the beards and was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 I believe in second chances. I believe I deserve a second chance.

Speaker 1 Look at the benefits. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think we're in the same sort. I can't grow as well of a good of a mustache as you, though.

Speaker 1 But it does get long. When it gets long, it gets a little unkempt.

Speaker 2 Oh, it definitely was unkempt. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What time when you play quarterback do you have to shave, though? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What time?

Speaker 2 You got to cut drag, you got to trim the fat. You got to focus on what's important.
My beard was not important. So

Speaker 1 you had that. I read that incredible article in 2022 about you and like post-football and everything and the decision.

Speaker 1 And you had that quote of like, you don't have time for basically anything else if you're a quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And that one quote, I can't remember who said it to you, like, if you're a quarterback in the NFL, you have to think of yourself as God's gift. Otherwise,

Speaker 1 the doubt creeps in. And that's got to be a weird feeling to have to hold yourself to that and be like, I have to control everything and only think about this one thing.

Speaker 1 Not exactly healthy, I would imagine.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I think this is an idea that I would certainly love to keep fleshing out and talk to others about.

Speaker 2 I think it is fascinating. And certainly

Speaker 2 the quote comes off as quite extreme, and maybe in real life it's not as extreme,

Speaker 2 perhaps, but I do think

Speaker 2 there are kernels of truth in there for sure.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, you're a quarterback, they call it the most important position in sports for a reason. It is the franchise rests on the quarterback's shoulders, whether they want it to or not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do, when I think about it and whatever, had the time to process and think, I do think when you go on the field as a quarterback you cannot leave any room for doubt and I think one way of doing that is is

Speaker 2 and especially if it's connected to preparing and working hard and like you know being on it etc but you you have to go out there thinking that you like you are God's gift right to this thing it's and it's that's a level

Speaker 2 it's an it is an intense level of confidence Yeah,

Speaker 2 and I do think you,

Speaker 2 you know, and I grew up in football. I had like my dad was my pop warner coach.
He played quarterback. So obviously as a kid, I had a schema.
I'm like, I want to be like my dad.

Speaker 2 I want to play quarterback. And then I had great high school coaches, Coach Allen, Coach Green, Coach Sanders, you know, Jim Harbaugh, David Shaw at Stanford.

Speaker 2 So I was taught that you had to work hard. You didn't just roll the ball out there.

Speaker 2 Preparation was part of it. And so that was part of what I knew.
I had to convince myself you can do this, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're talented, all this stuff, but like you're putting the work in and you're putting the work in with a team.

Speaker 2 And that was the only i scheme i knew uh and yeah and i did not you know there i did not while i played do a great job of tending to life outside of it uh including relationships and thankfully you know didn't burn burn too many bridges and and mess too much up irrevocably but that it's a it's an odd

Speaker 2 It's an odd balance, I think, for those playing the position.

Speaker 2 And frankly, I haven't talked to many others about it, like that have played quarterback

Speaker 2 in the NFL, sort of at that level and it is something I'm curious to hear from others about yeah of how they sort of psychologically handled it right, yeah, right.

Speaker 7 I think the the great quarterbacks Kind of see that same burden and that same responsibility they have to throw themselves into it because they feel okay It's on me in order to go out there and you know do the best for my teammate do the best for my coach I'm going to need to be the most prepared person in the world.

Speaker 7 But then there's some guys that are just like no it's it's a job. It's fun, but they don't reach that high level of success.
Would you say that like, did you get burned out on playing quarterback?

Speaker 2 That's a good question. Good question.
Thank you.

Speaker 7 Damn it. No, it's okay.
It was a good question.

Speaker 1 I can tell you about that. It was a good question.

Speaker 7 Like, is there a burnout factor?

Speaker 2 Not about being

Speaker 2 a little bit about being quarterback. And I think in that article you referenced, Big Cat, that I think I addressed that to a certain degree.

Speaker 2 Injuries adding up, you know, I think is a common theme in any professional athlete's

Speaker 2 sort of

Speaker 2 coming to an end in a career. And that was certainly

Speaker 2 a big part of mine. And yeah, and yes, parts of it, I think,

Speaker 2 got tiring.

Speaker 2 Maybe that's too light of a way to say it. Maybe burnout is

Speaker 2 part of it for sure.

Speaker 7 Was football still fun for you at the end?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 not

Speaker 2 like a game.

Speaker 2 And I found the fun in it, again, though, not playing,

Speaker 2 which is, I'm not going to say full circle, but I think in the windy way that life works,

Speaker 2 I did not love football when I, you know, and I did not love football like you need to to play quarterback. I think I also realized

Speaker 2 that to go back to playing quarterback,

Speaker 1 you're either like all in or you're not.

Speaker 2 It's a pretty, to me, in my mind, the scheme of

Speaker 2 how you emotionally invested, physically, psychologically, spiritually invested in quarterback is like, it's binary.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 You either aren't or you are 100% in. And I had a point in my life where I was like,

Speaker 2 I am unwilling to hop to the 100% end, so I can't do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the article was, like I said, really great because I feel like you were able to fully explain it.

Speaker 1 And I, reading it, was like, oh, I think I understand the complexity of this because as fans, we just see it as Andrew Luck just walked away from something that everyone would dream their dream job.

Speaker 1 Like, how could he do this? But was it, were you shocked yourself when you came to the conclusion, like your own conclusion?

Speaker 1 Were you like, oh shit, I actually think I can, I do kind of want to walk away because I feel like that would be a very illuminating moment where you it clicks and you're like, oh man.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. But it was by far the hardest decision of my life.
And then when it when it didn't, when it did sort of finally, when I allowed the sort of

Speaker 2 when I allowed myself to ask the actual question that mattered,

Speaker 2 and then and and allowed myself to give an answer to the question that was truthful,

Speaker 2 it was like, whoa, okay, this is, this has been hard, but yeah, this is what I have to do. Right.
So there was a moment of clarity.

Speaker 2 It was the hardest decision of my life, but also like the most clarity I've had about something. And I, and look, I did not feel alone through that as well.

Speaker 2 And I, and I can't imagine going through a process feeling alone through that.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 2 my girlfriend at the time, her wife, like the agents, my friends, I mean, Sam flew to Indianapolis to talk to me. And this was kicked.

Speaker 2 But like, man, it feels amazing to have people that love you around.

Speaker 1 Like, that's like, we all deserve that.

Speaker 2 And I, and, and, and then I'll say this, it was my dream to play quarterback.

Speaker 1 And I feel so grateful and privileged that I got to do that. Right.

Speaker 2 It was awesome. And it did not end fairytale-esque by any means.
We did, you know, we haven't, you have an AFC finalist banner. It's great for us.
You don't have a Super Bowl banner for that.

Speaker 7 How many guys can say they have an AFC finalist banner? Not a lot.

Speaker 1 Not a lot. Not a lot.
Because they don't make those banners.

Speaker 7 When they hung that up, were you like, oh, God.

Speaker 2 I didn't pay one bit of attention. I have no idea when it was hung up or taken down.

Speaker 2 I understand that you guys have had a story about it for a while.

Speaker 1 This is back to you having a foot phone, which is smart.

Speaker 2 Yeah, which is cool.

Speaker 1 But like,

Speaker 2 I know

Speaker 2 Sam explained on the drive-in that like, there's going to be a banner there. And I was like, I think I know that there's some story behind this.
And then it turns out the banner's huge.

Speaker 1 Yes. Enormous.
Enormous.

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Speaker 1 I know it's a big decision.

Speaker 1 I know it's going to shock some people, but then have it kind of taken away from you where someone else reports it and you don't get to say it, and then you have to deal with the fans on the field and everything.

Speaker 2 That sucks. Yeah, I ain't going to lie.
It was difficult. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Also, like, you survive, you move on. I felt a couple things.
One, I had written a draft, a couple drafts of like a retirement press conference.

Speaker 2 It wasn't like going to be a happy retirement press conference, obviously, not like, you know,

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 the traditional ones you see.

Speaker 2 But I'd written a couple drafts and shared it with Matt Conte, our PR guy at the time, and I still think so. So he at least had a copy of something for me to talk about after the game.

Speaker 2 So I was thankful about that. I felt good about it.
I was like, you know, this is like writing a

Speaker 2 writing a paper for school, and you actually put in a couple drafts and get notes back from the professor.

Speaker 2 Yeah, good job, Andrew.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 2 Pat on the back.

Speaker 2 Two things.

Speaker 2 I had taken the opportunity to tell the guys on the team on Friday and Saturday morning that I'd been with for a while. That's good.
That I'd felt very much tethered to, like T.Y. Hilton,

Speaker 1 who I love and

Speaker 2 who made playing football fun.

Speaker 2 Throwing to a dude like that. I don't think people understand how fun it is when you have a connection to a receiver like that, when your rookie's together.

Speaker 2 fun.

Speaker 2 And so that was like the bittersweet, the real bittersweet stuff was telling him and Jack Doyle and Anthony and Quentin Nelson, who I didn't, you know, we'd played one year together as a rookie, but like,

Speaker 2 just like lovable and loving guy and Ryan Kelly. So I'd had the chance to tell, and Clayton Gethers and some of the coaches.
So at least,

Speaker 2 at least, and I didn't have a chance to tell everybody, and that's what hurts because, you know, being a teammate, but like, to a certain degree, I was also quitting on them.

Speaker 2 And I understand that, like, that's

Speaker 2 hard. That's hard, and it's not, it's, it's hard to celebrate that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's a part of me that, like, yeah, I get. You know, it stinks.

Speaker 2 I live with that and own it, and that's okay. It's part of me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The other thing is during the game, like

Speaker 2 I remember there are eight minutes left, and I swear I felt the,

Speaker 2 like the cameras turn on me or something, and like immediately, like, I don't know if you've had this experience in life where there's just such certainty that something has happened. Right.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, shit, it's out. Yeah.
I know it's out. And I just remember going and standing next to Anthony Costanzo, I think Mark Lewinsky and Ryan Kelly,

Speaker 2 and just standing between them. And just like, hey, hey, guys, I'm just going to stand between you for the next eight minutes.

Speaker 1 Technically one last time.

Speaker 2 And it did. I felt, I didn't feel alone.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think,

Speaker 2 I don't mean this in a cheesy way. Like, I felt like they had my back

Speaker 2 for those eight minutes. And I was, and I'll be forever appreciative of that and indebted to that because they were great teammates in the moment.
They didn't have to be.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
At all.

Speaker 7 Then after this all comes out, were you aware that OJ Simpson had just drafted you for his fantasy football team?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't think of the fantasy owners. That was the one.

Speaker 7 Everyone was doing the drafts. And then OJ, God rest his soul, friend of the program, he drafted Andrew Luck, and you just blindsided him.
Did you ever apologize to OJ for that?

Speaker 2 Unaware did not. Yeah.
I had no need to apologize. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, no. But the fancy, think about

Speaker 1 it. But think about the fantasy owners.

Speaker 7 You are on a face can't cut list, which is a good place to be. That is.

Speaker 1 Huge place to be. I don't get it.

Speaker 1 Don't explain.

Speaker 1 The fantasy owners, though.

Speaker 1 that it is always fun we mock it because it's like a player will get like a gr like a gruesome injury like week two and immediately people will be tweeting like oh my fantasy team screwed it's like yeah but that guy just got really hurt like think about that so yeah you screwed the fantasy owners over uh that late in the preseason what do you guys what do you who what do you guys enjoy mocking most uh

Speaker 7 i mean there's a did you give me a good question uh darren revell probably yeah max

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 A lot of things. Basically, every...

Speaker 1 Our whole show is basically the fact that sports are taken too seriously and it's just a joke.

Speaker 2 That I know about this show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can I interview you guys for a second?

Speaker 1 Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 Like, the genesis of it. Good question.

Speaker 7 Yeah, good question.

Speaker 1 Great question. Good question.
Good question.

Speaker 7 You can say talk about. Reporters love doing that.
Talk about the genesis.

Speaker 2 Well, the genesis of it was more of a good statement. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Maybe it was. There's a trend.
Yeah, talk about that. Tell me.
Enlighten me. Indulge me.

Speaker 1 So, no, we got very lucky because we started this at a time when podcasts were very new

Speaker 2 2016.

Speaker 1 So we're coming up on nine years. So like now everyone has a podcast.
We were not that podcast didn't exist before 2016, but there was definitely a wide open lane for us.

Speaker 1 And our goal from the very beginning was we have to have fun and make sure people know we're having fun because sports are supposed to be fun.

Speaker 1 And I think the world got very serious around that time as well. So we became a little bit of a breath of fresh air where it's like, hey,

Speaker 1 we're not going to burden you with any big picture things, with any politics, with any serious topics.

Speaker 1 We're going to watch sports and we're going to make fun of sports and make fun of ourselves more than anything. So that's been the big thing.
And you did screw over the fantasy owners. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 7 specifically OJ. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Specifically, OJ.

Speaker 7 Tell me more about the genesis.

Speaker 2 Were you guys listening to sports radio?

Speaker 2 I used to listen to sports radio driving into school and high school.

Speaker 7 I think me and Big Cat both had the same point of view when it came to the sports media ecosystem, which is, you know, they took themselves very seriously.

Speaker 7 You would get dressed up in a suit and tie to get on TV and scream and yell about the National Football League. And it was like

Speaker 7 they weren't treating the viewers with respect. almost.
It's like they became so self-important when they were talking about this stuff. And then I also became obsessed with the comment section.

Speaker 7 Anybody that would like comment on an article and their, their mindset, that they almost took the league more seriously than people who were being paid to write and talk about the league.

Speaker 7 And it became just this giant like big

Speaker 7 gas of our big ball of gas of bluster of everybody that was obsessed with insisting their viewpoint was correct. And it was just very funny that they were taking it so seriously.

Speaker 7 So me and Big Cat started following each other online. And then we met up, had a beer and said at some point we should do a podcast together.

Speaker 7 And then, you know, time ticked by for for about a year, brought us to the right spot. And we're like, okay, let's do this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So the etymology of PFT commenter is that you were actually commenting.

Speaker 7 I was obsessed with the comment section.

Speaker 2 And you were injecting

Speaker 2 levity and humor and not-so-serious takes

Speaker 2 in the comment sections, or were you just reading them?

Speaker 7 I would read the comment section, and then I

Speaker 7 created an account and a character that was like, what if you gave your typical commenter their own blog?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then gave them like a long-form place to write about everything. And they had the stupidest takes on everything possible.
And so that's kind of where I was.

Speaker 1 So we, yeah, we intentionally have very dumb takes that might have a kernel of truth, but we're mocking as well.

Speaker 1 Like actually, when you retired, I went to, in 2015, I went to the Final Four in Indianapolis. We had a, we got like taken out to St.
Elmo's. We went and sat in the basement where Peyton Manning

Speaker 1 used to do his dinners. I think you used to do your dinners.
And I asked them what you order and I think the waiter said chicken. And then like I was like, yeah, no shit, Andrew Luck retired.

Speaker 1 He's a chicken guy over steak. Like that.
That's my take now. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like something like that where we're mocking this entire idea that like you aren't allowed to retire when you want to retire. Like you owed it to us.
Cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, but you did owe it to the fantasy owner, San OJ. So wait, wait.

Speaker 1 So the real question, though, when you retire, because I think everyone thinks this, was there ever a second where you got a call or you're like, oh, maybe I want to come back?

Speaker 1 Because I think that's the part that people always are drawn to, whether it be Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson or anyone who walks away a little bit early. Brett Favre.

Speaker 1 Brett Favre.

Speaker 1 They always think in the offseason or just random times, like, oh, maybe Andrew Locke will come back. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And so it's this, it's a dumb thing that fans do, but they have that in the back of their head for a very long time thinking, oh, yeah, maybe he's going to come back.

Speaker 1 There was never a second where it was even like a little bit of, of, ooh, maybe, maybe I should do it. Nope.

Speaker 1 That's, I mean, that's pretty awesome because I don't think having that clarity and having that ability to be like, that's it. Yeah.
Because I'm sure you got calls.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 I said the one from,

Speaker 1 was it Frank Reich texted you being like, message in a bottle? I sent it out an SOS. I have a great relationship with him.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And Nick Siriani and stoked for him as well. But no, like, yeah, I would stay friendly with Frank.
Yeah. But But no.
And like, again, like, I love football in a different way right now.

Speaker 2 I volunteer coached at Palo Alto High School for the past couple of years. That's why I'm back in this position for many reasons, you know, at Stanford.

Speaker 2 But just not as a quarterback. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do have some tape for you that I want to watch real quick. Max, if you pull it up.

Speaker 1 One of the things I loved about you quarterbacking is I feel like you were in the mold of like, I don't want to swear on camera.

Speaker 1 You probably don't remember this, but this is a tape of you. You short-circuited when you swore by accident.
Do you remember this? I absolutely remember it. Okay, play around.
There's more context.

Speaker 1 You literally short-circuited. I've never seen someone's brain short-circuit live on air.
All right, go ahead.

Speaker 2 Look at the film. Look at the highlights.
He's the guy that just makes plays. Oh, sorry.
Shoot, makes plays.

Speaker 1 I apologize for that.

Speaker 1 You were so mad at yourself. It was just a swear.
You were of all, you were like devastated.

Speaker 2 My beard's not that bad. No, that's not.

Speaker 1 I didn't say your beard was bad. Gruden said your beard was bad.

Speaker 2 Oh, John, Coach Gruden, my beard's not that bad. I'm also like, you know, late 20s, not early 20s.

Speaker 2 I did say that was about Griff Whalen, who was my college roommate, a walk-on, Toledo, Ohio, Sylvania, Southview, earned a scholarship, had a legit NFO career, also one of Sam's roommates as well.

Speaker 2 One of my best friends in the world. That was after the Denver Broncos

Speaker 2 2015.

Speaker 2 15, I want to say. Okay.
2015. What's this time stamp of the Twitter thing?

Speaker 1 Oh, this was just me after you retired. I just said, now you can swear whenever you want.

Speaker 2 Oh, thanks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that was

Speaker 1 Peyton coming back to Indy, which is like cool, like electric atmospheres.

Speaker 2 There had been a lot going on that year. We were sort of going like this, and then that year we were going like that.
And I lacerated my kidney in that game with like seven minutes left. Oh, no.

Speaker 2 And a knee got me, so I ended up in the emergency room the next day because I was not feeling so very good.

Speaker 2 And so I think that's truly, authentically how I felt in the moment. Griff Whalen just made fucking plays that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And we won.
Yeah. And that was cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 Ahmad Bradshaw caught a touchdown to sort of ice the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Anybody that sees you retire and is like, that fucking pussy,

Speaker 7 I would kill to play quarterback.

Speaker 7 you lacerated your kidney in a game yeah that's it i think most and you just described it as i wasn't feeling very good yeah most most reasonable people if they went out there and they did something at their job where they went home one day with a lacerated kidney they'd probably talk to their wife and be like you know i'm i don't know if this is the right career for me yeah i think that's a completely fair conversation to have and then there there is a flip side to it though so once you reach that decision where you say i'm confident i no longer my heart's not in it it's not fair to everybody else if i keep playing.

Speaker 7 It's not fair to myself if I keep playing. That's got to be a great moment of clarity where you realize confidently, this is what I want to do.

Speaker 7 And then after you actually walk away, there's probably going to be some time where you have to establish a brand new identity for yourself because your job, if you're an NFL player and a quarterback especially, for so long, that's been a big part of your identity.

Speaker 7 And so did you feel like

Speaker 7 I don't want to say empty, if that's the right word, but did you feel like, okay, I need to separate myself and start my own new identity at this moment?

Speaker 2 Before I answer that, I'll go back to the job thing and the last rating kidney.

Speaker 2 It was such a privilege to play quarterback and to make money doing it.

Speaker 2 It was awesome. So I never once felt pity for myself for playing the position and getting paid.
Amazing. Right.
Amazing.

Speaker 1 Two, identity.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was way more. Being a quarterback was way more of my identity than I realized.
Absolutely. And

Speaker 2 discovering,

Speaker 2 I I don't mean this, maybe it sounds mumbo jumbo, but like having to learn about myself and discover a new one. And like we had a, we had our first daughter born a few months after I retired.

Speaker 2 That certainly helped provide purpose. Like obviously there's a deep biological purpose, you know, of like kids, you know, and tending to them.

Speaker 2 But my wife also, like, she, you know, I was processing COVID hits, so we're all together with a little baby, you know.

Speaker 2 stuff and I was processing football and I'm you know in a career and you know finding myself and had some amazing people, you know, through it and still and friends, etc.

Speaker 2 And she turned to me one day, and I'm an out loud processor, like, you know,

Speaker 2 I just talk, and most of it's just like air. If I'm just, you know, and there's, and she's like,

Speaker 2 she turned to me one day

Speaker 2 in the middle of COVID, and I was like,

Speaker 2 is it possible for someone to talk about themselves more than you

Speaker 2 right now?

Speaker 2 And I said, probably not.

Speaker 1 I kept doing it.

Speaker 2 We made it through. But yeah,

Speaker 2 a big part of it was identity. And I think it's like, you know, sort of locating myself, who I am in the world and grounding me in it.
And I think that was part of the process.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Did you ever, did your dad call you up when he started the XFL? Did he call you and say, hey, Andrew, I can get you 25. Really?

Speaker 1 You want to come back and watch

Speaker 2 a game? Bad question.

Speaker 1 No, not at all. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's, it's reading that article, like I said, everyone should go read it because it did feel like.

Speaker 1 you do read now. I do read, but it's an article.
And it took me, I think I

Speaker 1 stopped a short article. I think I stopped and started four different times.

Speaker 2 You made it through. Yeah, but I made it through.

Speaker 1 Four quarters. Four quarters.
Hey, when you got to the fourth restart, like four quarter, do you give yourself the fours? I was like, oh, yes. Put up the fours.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Do you ever do you ever dream of football?

Speaker 2 I have dreamt of football.

Speaker 1 Like, do you have memories of like games and stuff where you dream and you wake up? You're like, oh, shit, that was.

Speaker 2 No, no. I'm I

Speaker 2 The I The last time I dreamed about dreamt about football I want to say was like showing up to a locker room without like the equipment and freaking out that like where's my helmet?

Speaker 2 I can't go like the embarrassed dream. I don't know you know like the yeah, what the like the freak out You know never actually playing but like I don't have the helmet and I am my hip pads.

Speaker 1 Where are my hip pads? Right. I need my hip pads and my tailbone pads.
I'm going to hurt my tailbone.

Speaker 7 I think it's a pretty common dream. Most people have it just about like high school.
They show up for the last day and they haven't gone to that class all semester. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You just think about that like football.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, I'm not prepared.

Speaker 2 But it was once.

Speaker 2 I don't remember what it was, but I remember waking up thinking, like, ah, that weird.

Speaker 7 Do you still watch the NFL?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 7 Do you find yourself rooting for the Colts? Do you find yourself rooting for quarterbacks?

Speaker 2 I absolutely have a soft spot in my heart for the Colts. It was a, it was, I mean, like, spent age 21 drafted there.
Like, I felt like a kid when I was drafted there.

Speaker 2 My my girlfriend and I went there. Like, we, we grew grew up in a sense there.

Speaker 2 Our daughters were born there.

Speaker 2 Highs and lows, memories, like life was lived there.

Speaker 1 Lived.

Speaker 2 I very much feel that. So I absolutely have a soft spot there.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 guys like Quentin Nelson and Ryan Kelly, who's a free agent now, like Brayden Smith,

Speaker 2 Jack Doyle played after. Jack Doyle is one of my favorite teammates ever.
So of course root for those guys

Speaker 2 when things happen.

Speaker 2 And then watching the NFL for me now is who do I know on the team, if anybody, which gets fewer and fewer guys every year. And now it's more what coaches do I know that are coaching on the teams.

Speaker 2 And like, so this year it's like

Speaker 2 watching Zach Ertz play for Washington. It's like, you know, I've known Zach since he was 17.
I was 18. He's a year behind me in school.
Like

Speaker 2 we worked out together. I accidentally whacked one time I was stretching, you know, we went through a phase where we were stretching with like those long wooden

Speaker 2 staffs.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know, like it felt like a movie or something.

Speaker 2 And I was sitting there with it behind my back, and I turned and I just whipped it around, and I

Speaker 2 whacked him right in the face.

Speaker 2 And Zach didn't beat me up, which was good. We always worked out together.
But so I root for him for sure. And Tavita Pritchard's the quarterback coached in Washington.

Speaker 2 And Tavita and I were teammates. So I root for him, of course.
And then Nick Siriani and Vic Fangi were on the Eagles

Speaker 2 during their thing.

Speaker 2 I try to root for them as well. It becomes like my fandom, like my team fandom is like soccer, U.S.
national team.

Speaker 2 Like that's where I'll get fandom or like watching Stanford men's hoops or women's hoops or any Stanford team. That's where I let myself just be like a fan.
Because it's fun to be a fan. Right.

Speaker 2 Like really fun to be a fan.

Speaker 2 But when watching NFL, it's more, hey, you know, can my guys make it out healthy?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And can they go ball out and win? Yeah. I love that.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I remember, I think it might have been right before the draft. You might have done like a walk and talk with Peter King at some point and you fascinated him with your love of architecture.

Speaker 7 Are you still a big architecture guy?

Speaker 2 Big architecture guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So I have a couple, I have a tough architecture.

Speaker 2 Also, I grew up reading Peter King. Yeah.
Yeah. And like, so that was fun for me.
Like I love like, I loved reading, you know, I loved getting sports illustrated.

Speaker 2 I love reading like Rick Riley in the back, the last page when I was doing that comment.

Speaker 2 Like I would, I died for the Houston Chronicle in the mornings in Houston because Norman Chad had its syndicated column, you know, like the nationalist syndicated column there.

Speaker 2 I felt like that type of humor hit me as whatever a 15-year-old did. So it was cool.
Like, those are pinched me moments in the NFL, like walking with Peter King.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you guys were looking at the architecture. Was that in Chicago?

Speaker 7 I don't remember. It might have been.

Speaker 2 Great architecture boat tour here, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great architecture boat tour. Great.

Speaker 7 How many times have you been on it? Two times. Yes.
It's awesome. It's very fun.
All right. So, are you familiar with the premise FMK?

Speaker 7 Fuck Mary Kill.

Speaker 7 So you got to fuck one, you got to marry one.

Speaker 1 You got to kill what you're doing.

Speaker 1 And he's going to

Speaker 1 circuit again. I'll listen to the question.
I reserve the right to not answer a question.

Speaker 7 Fuck Mary Kill, Doric columns, Ionian columns, Corinthian columns. Ooh, good question.

Speaker 2 Good question. Not answering it.
Can you rank them?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I rank them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, look, I want to, if I'm remembering correctly, the Corinthian column is a bit too flowery for my aesthetic taste.

Speaker 2 Doric has a level of simplicity

Speaker 2 and very much form is connected to function, which I find pleasing.

Speaker 2 And Ionics, yeah, it's cool, it's groovy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 I think that's fair. I think I would say marry

Speaker 7 Ionian.

Speaker 7 I think I would kill Doric, and then I would have sex with the Corinthian column. That makes sense.
We don't settle down. That makes sense.
What are your thoughts on Soviet brutalism?

Speaker 2 No positive thoughts. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Coach Gruden.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The Soviet brutalism is also inextricably linked to the use of concrete.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's my thought.

Speaker 1 It's like designed to kill your soul. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Coach Gruden actually said that he was shocked that you knew every part about cement. I don't know why that shocked him.

Speaker 2 I went on a cement kick, read a book. I certainly did not know every part.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was just like, that guy, he knows everything about cement. when I told him you were coming in.
So I don't know. Do you still know everything about cement?

Speaker 2 No, I never did. Okay.
And certainly do not.

Speaker 1 But I do think what's fascinating about cement. Yeah.
Good stuff. Yeah.
This is the good stuff. I think they just realized, they did, like, just prove this.

Speaker 2 Like, like, Roman stuff has stood for a long, long, long time, like way longer than the roads and bridges we've been building

Speaker 2 here in the world. Not just here, but sort of here.

Speaker 2 And they realized that somehow...

Speaker 2 baked into the property of this man I'm gonna mess this up but when Roman cement like fixes itself when it cracks like something about oxygen and water getting in activates like a self-healing mechanism.

Speaker 2 I think like researchers in Australia, I could be completely wrong in the language I'm using, but just Google, Google it.

Speaker 7 What else have you been reading about?

Speaker 2 I've been on a sci-fi kick lately.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 I think when I realized taking a job, being a general manager,

Speaker 2 I'm using brain power again a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's real stuff and etc. And so at the end of the nights,

Speaker 2 I like to read before going to bed. And I've been on the series, the Red Rising series, series, a good sci-fi.
This is a book or a show? It's a book. Okay.

Speaker 7 We'll make a show eventually. Yeah.
And then we'll watch it, and then we'll say that we read it.

Speaker 1 Do you watch Severance? Say it again? Do you watch Severance?

Speaker 2 I don't watch Severance.

Speaker 2 I know what it is. Cool.
That's the second person in the last two days to tell me about it.

Speaker 2 Jack Mewhort, my old teammate in Indianapolis, I was talking to him because I'm going to Toledo and staying with him tomorrow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 We were talking. He was like, you asked the same question.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Severance is very good.

Speaker 2 But you're reminding me of we had a Game of Thrones book club in our Stanford locker room back in the day. We would get into real, there were four or five of us,

Speaker 2 myself included, that when I read,

Speaker 2 are you Game of Thrones people? I watched it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 When the Red Wedding scene came up in book whatever, I want to say three. And I read it and stormed into the locker room, like very emotionally shook by this thing.

Speaker 2 And we had a big, it turned out that all of us were in the shower yelling about Game of Thrones at the time. Like, you know, the whole thing.
And a few people walked in.

Speaker 2 I'm like, what the heck are these guys doing?

Speaker 2 And so I felt like the cool kid when the world was freaking out about the Red Wedding episode. I was like, nah, you don't know about everybody who already knows about this.

Speaker 2 Who's had years to emotionally process what just happened?

Speaker 1 We're ahead of you guys.

Speaker 1 All of y'all. We are ahead.
That's a cool.

Speaker 7 Did you find yourself ready for it when it came out? The show? Yeah, yeah. When the red wedding specifically happened.

Speaker 2 Well, I didn't really watch the show.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah.
So you read the books. Yeah, you're like, I already know.

Speaker 2 I mean, I picked episodes here and there, just, you know, whatever. It's cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm fat.

Speaker 7 I'm going to start reading about, I'm going to read one book about cement this year. I'm writing.

Speaker 1 You don't have to do that to me. I'm not.
I'll read a Twitter thread. Yeah.
I can find one. That's a good one.
A good Twitter thread.

Speaker 1 Just really break down that. So, wait, so American soccer, real quick, are we going to win the World Cup? Oh, yeah.
We are? Why not?

Speaker 1 Do you think we would be better if we had like LeBron, Wemby,

Speaker 1 Luca on the team?

Speaker 2 Not Luca and Wemby because they were

Speaker 2 on our country. No, they would be on our team.

Speaker 1 They're better than that. They would be on our team.
You're better than that. Joelle and B.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Shake SGA playing.

Speaker 2 I have no idea if we would be better or not.

Speaker 1 The answer is yes.

Speaker 1 If we just played. Jade and Danny.

Speaker 7 Oh, he'd be so good.

Speaker 1 Our best players. No, we just do that to troll and get people upset.

Speaker 2 OBJ was an incredible soccer player, I want to say.

Speaker 1 I believe it. I believe it.
So wait, we're not going to win anything, though.

Speaker 2 I'm so hopeful.

Speaker 2 I'm eternally optimistic as a U.S. soccer fan.
The World Cup's going to be here and in

Speaker 2 Mexico and Canada.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 2 it's fun to be a fan. It's fun to be a fan of your national team.

Speaker 1 It's fun to win, though. Also,

Speaker 2 I got to go to the Olympics. My wife's a producer for gymnastics on television.
So she was working and I was just having the time of my life rooting for Americans,

Speaker 2 bringing my daughters to stuff and having like 59 Stanford athletes there, including

Speaker 2 friends of ours that were fresh, we were freshmen together, like Katerina Stefaniti or Eric Shoji. It was amazing.
Like watching Katie Ladecki swim was so cool. It's fun to root for America in sports.

Speaker 2 It's really fun. Like really, really, really fun.
I enjoyed that a lot. And my wife, but she stole the tickets to the women's gold medal match, soccer.

Speaker 2 So she got to go with her friends. And I was, that's the one thing I was jealous of her about from that trip.
She got to go to that gold medal match of the women and watch us win.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way.

Speaker 2 And we love winners here.

Speaker 1 We love winners. We love winners.
We love winner.

Speaker 7 And I'll tell you what, the roster that we have right now, I've been telling Big Cat this for the last two years. Going into this World Cup, that is the best roster that the U.S.

Speaker 7 will have ever had at that point. Just looking at the players that play competitively overseas, that's as talented as we've ever been, I think.
And

Speaker 7 if we're going to do it, it's going to be at home in this World Cup. So get all in right now on U.S.

Speaker 2 I'm with you. Get all in.

Speaker 2 Maybe I don't have as deep a perspective as you, PFT.

Speaker 1 No, I just gave you everything I know. Yeah, good.
Well, I like it.

Speaker 2 I'm all in. And I do think it seems like at scale, we have a lot of guys competing in really important places around the world.
And the MLS is stronger than it's ever been.

Speaker 2 Like, our domestic game is stronger than it's ever been.

Speaker 7 And I'm thinking maybe our new coach, he's very close with Messi. Why not just have Messi become a U.S.
citizen? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It doesn't work like that, though. No, it doesn't.
He's already cap tied to Argentina.

Speaker 1 You can do whatever you want. No, you can't.
You can't.

Speaker 1 This is talking stuff.

Speaker 7 Captive. Oh, he's captied? Oh, no.
We can't figure out a way around that. No.

Speaker 1 By the way, 20.

Speaker 7 FIFA would never allow something illegal to happen.

Speaker 7 That's not a problem that money can fix.

Speaker 1 2014,

Speaker 1 USC versus Stanford, 4th and 13 at the USC 32, punt.

Speaker 1 And then 4th and 22 at the USC 29.

Speaker 1 Punt for a touchback. That's a nine-yard punt.

Speaker 2 So I don't think we'll ever get messy

Speaker 1 on the U.S. roster.
And

Speaker 2 I'm very excited for the World Cup.

Speaker 1 You get the show, Dad. You get the show.

Speaker 1 Anytime we talk about soccer,

Speaker 2 one of the things I was stoked about

Speaker 2 I was still playing professionally and I was in Europe for something in the offseason. I was like, I got to go see Christian Pulisic play.
He was still playing for Borisio Dortmund.

Speaker 2 So I hopped in the car. I was in Amsterdam and I drove over and I reached out to his agent.
So I got to watch the game. Unfortunately, he maybe even played like 10 minutes at the end of the game.

Speaker 2 It was like versus Hofenheim or someone, I want to say. But I got to have pizza with Christian afterwards.
And like, you know, like, I'm a fan.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was younger, but I'm a fan.

Speaker 2 He's a cool dude, so I'm stoked for what he's doing right now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 I hope somehow, some way we channel the attitude that Clint Dempsey brought to the soccer team. Yep.
And to just sports in general, because that dude was so fun to watch.

Speaker 2 I loved watching him from like East Texas. It's an amazing story and he was tough.

Speaker 2 And one of my favorite quotes, like sport quotes all time was Bruce Serena when he was the, I think he was the men's national team coach at this point, asked about like what, what made Clint different or special.

Speaker 2 He was like, because he tries shit.

Speaker 1 And like Clint did.

Speaker 2 And he was so fun to watch.

Speaker 7 He was never scared.

Speaker 1 No, never scared.

Speaker 2 Like all those clips of him getting, I mean, watching, and the clips now they're on the internets and the YouTubes and such, but like watching him play,

Speaker 2 that was an attitude that I think resonated with a lot of us watching.

Speaker 7 You need a guy like that to beat Mexico.

Speaker 7 That's not afraid of Mexico. And he, yeah, he was the best.
Maybe Joe Scalli's our guy. I think so.
He's one of the defenders on the team. He's one of our security guys' nephews.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Really? Which is pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Staten Island guy.

Speaker 7 We need some like Staten Island tough guy on his team.

Speaker 2 East Texas or Staten Island.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fourth and 11 from the Cal

Speaker 1 34. 10 minutes left in the game.
Punt.

Speaker 7 I mean, you're not going to beat the 29.

Speaker 1 29 is crazy.

Speaker 1 That's like a piece of art.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 7 I have a serious question for you.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Hypothetically, the Colts make it to the Super Bowl, but Anthony Richardson and Joe Flacco both get mono

Speaker 7 and they can't play.

Speaker 7 They weren't kissing each other.

Speaker 1 They're kissing somebody else.

Speaker 7 And you get a call. Andrew, can you play in the Super Bowl for us? You don't even have to practice.
You probably want to practice. You have to practice three days and then play in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 What do you say? No, thank you.

Speaker 2 Appreciate it. And I'll say what, that's cheap.

Speaker 1 That's not, you got to, you got to go all season.

Speaker 2 You got to practice.

Speaker 1 You got to earn it. You got to earn that.
You got to earn it. Yeah.
What if, what if I'd be hyped for the Colts, though, if they're there. What if, what if Jim Merce calls you up?

Speaker 1 He's like, hey, we got this new technology. We're turning injuries off for an entire season.

Speaker 1 Would you come back and play? Injuries off. You literally cannot get injured.

Speaker 2 No, I'd ask to be able to invest in the technology. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 That's actually a smart answer. We need to get this technology.

Speaker 7 Did Jim Merce ever show you his guitar collection?

Speaker 2 His guitar collection's sweet.

Speaker 7 Yes. It seems to be a good thing.

Speaker 2 Like I grew up watching or watching, listening to classic rock because my dad's a classic rockophile.

Speaker 2 The first concert my dad took me to was ZZ Top in Houston, which is like...

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a great gateway concert into, you know, live shows. It's amazing.
And then we went to Springsteen. We actually came up to Chicago one year to see the Stones at

Speaker 2 whatever the basketball arena is.

Speaker 1 United Center. United Center.

Speaker 2 And so going into his office, he does have an incredible guitar collection. And then when you go to Stanford, you realize the Grateful Dead is a thing.
And Jerry Garcia and

Speaker 2 we have friends that are deadheads and like the dead used to do impromptu shows on campus back in the day. Like there's a whole culture in Palo Alto around the Grateful Dead.

Speaker 2 To see him like a Jerry Garcia guitar actually meant a little bit of something to me.

Speaker 2 And the Beatles drum set. Yeah, he's got it all.
It's cool.

Speaker 7 He's convinced, and I think he's convinced me, that the technology will exist one day to extract all the sounds that have ever been played out of an instrument just and just have it play.

Speaker 7 I guess the best way to say it is, he believes if you buy a guitar from Eric Clapton, somewhere in that wood is the it's the actual music and the actual notes that were once played.

Speaker 7 And eventually we'll be able to hook a machine up to it and get that exact sound out of the guitar. Do you believe that?

Speaker 1 Cool. Yeah.
I believe it.

Speaker 7 I believe it.

Speaker 7 If he believes it, I believe it.

Speaker 1 Things I don't understand, I just believe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Default. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like, all right, that sounds cool.
Healthy way to live, life. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, would you rather that that technology existed? I would. Yeah.
I would choose to live in that world.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Well, this conversation is devolved. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. It always does.

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Is there one?

Speaker 1 Is there one pass that you think of? You're like, yeah, that was it. That was it.
Like, remember me for this one pass, this one play. Remember me for this pass.
Yes.

Speaker 1 No, but I would assume, like, there's one that you could think of, like, man, did I absolutely fucking crush that?

Speaker 2 It's funny to think of interceptions I've thrown more than I think of like sweet tutters

Speaker 1 that come.

Speaker 2 No, I'll be honest. Part of what was so fun, what was so Frank Reich asked me this, like, what do you love about football? We were sitting talking once before I retired.

Speaker 2 I said, like, dude, I get to throw the ball to my friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, that's playing catch.
Yeah. It's really cool.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so

Speaker 2 there is not one throw.

Speaker 2 There's not one throw to rule them all.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 like throwing to T.Y. Hilton and Jack Doyle and an amazing year with, you know, Eric Ebron had this, we had an incredible year together.

Speaker 2 And Kobe Fleener and Griffin, like, I got to play in the NFL with my college college roommate, Griffin, and cut touchdowns.

Speaker 2 Like, he ran a bang eight on a skinny post, I think, on one of the Texans' corners in the big game. Like, this is an undrafted guy, a walk-on receiver who's playing.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 Kobe Fleener and I played together in college, you know? So I feel very fortunate that I got to throw the football to my friends.

Speaker 2 Especially T.Y. Hilton.
I'll say this again. I don't think

Speaker 2 it's fun to play with a guy who's different, and he was was different. And I'm not sure he gets the respect he deserves for what he did on the football field.
I agree.

Speaker 2 He brought an attitude that

Speaker 2 was just awesome. And like,

Speaker 2 you know, we probably couldn't have come from two different places, but like, it's part of what's amazing about sports and football in particular.

Speaker 2 I know this is an unserious podcast, but I will be serious.

Speaker 1 I get like,

Speaker 2 we're friends. Right.

Speaker 1 I don't get that otherwise. Right.

Speaker 2 My life is

Speaker 2 way better for that. And that's just one micro.
I got to play with Frank Gore, who's awesome, by the way. Yeah.
Like, no one knew,

Speaker 2 no one knew pass protection better than Frank Gore. The dude got football.
Like,

Speaker 2 he would pick stuff out before I would pick it out. He'd start yelling at the linemen about what technique to use.
Like,

Speaker 2 he is the teach tape on how to be a pass-protecting running back. And he's also the teach tape on how to be a gap scheme running running back.
Like, the dude was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 I got to play with Ahmaud Brashaw from Bluefield, West Virginia. Yeah.

Speaker 7 He's a dog and tough.

Speaker 2 He caught eight touchdown passes one year.

Speaker 2 Like that, that part of that part of football, I think, you know, when I say grateful, like, yeah, I got paid and I get to make choices in life that I know others don't.

Speaker 2 I get privilege and it's amazing. But like.

Speaker 2 It's more that like, I get to play football. I got to throw a ball to my friends and nerd out over snap.
Like who gets to get

Speaker 2 a portion of my salary went to

Speaker 2 finding a better snap count.

Speaker 2 I got paid to sit in a room and go out and practice and think about and talk to left tackles and guys, all right, this, all right, this week, guys, we're going to use black as the color.

Speaker 1 That's the live color. We're going to do a triple count.

Speaker 2 We're going to say it three times.

Speaker 1 We're going to go, you know, say, go, hot, hot.

Speaker 2 And then I'm going to go kill, kill, kill, because last week we did kill, kill, kill, and we ran the ball.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to go, red 80, red 80, hot, hot, hot. And then we're going to go black 80.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was awesome.
Yeah. Katie? What type of life is that? That is awesome.

Speaker 2 And now I get to be back in football in a different capacity with Stanford at an alma mater that I love.

Speaker 2 And people are counting us out, and they're wrong to count us out.

Speaker 1 So get on early, just like the U.S.

Speaker 2 national team.

Speaker 1 Yep, now's the time. And this interview has been everything we wanted for, you know, it's been a seven-year wait.
And I want to say that this has been so awesome to have you here.

Speaker 1 And also, you're making us better podcasters because you got a little emotional there. And you mentioned Frank Gore, and I didn't mention the fact that he has enormous balls.

Speaker 1 And I used to take videos of him running without

Speaker 1 any type of underwear on. His balls would be flopping everywhere.
Because I wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1 I was this close to saying it but I was like you know what let me have let Andrew finish his moment so thank you for making us better

Speaker 1 that's good discipline yeah I'm really proud

Speaker 1 if they zoom in on my face I was just like I'm really proud of you Frank Core has huge balls there look at this look at the picture look how big his balls are it's insane

Speaker 7 I think you get the show now if there's not one pass to remember you by what about a half what about that playoff game against Kansas City yeah how cool was that we've had some good halves like that also been part of some bad halves yeah

Speaker 1 some of them in new england

Speaker 2 how fun was that how fun yeah that was cool actually alex and i were talking of alex is alex smith's awesome by the way i mean like you want a role model in life like that dude is cool but we were talking about that recently we did we live not too far from each other and get to run into each other every now and then and um that one i was glad to be on the other side of it uh the ball bounced our way i think they they lost like four guys in the secondary throughout the game, right?

Speaker 2 So like we were rolling, but I do remember one play from that game. We were in a timeout

Speaker 2 and we had Fleener, T.Y., and another receiver. I wasn't sure who,

Speaker 2 ready to go.

Speaker 2 I don't know what down and distances was, but we were sitting there, Pep and I were talking, Pep Hamilton, OC at the time, we were sitting there like, let's switch, you know, originally Kobe was supposed to run a clear out post and T.Y.

Speaker 2 was going to get the corner. And then I was like,

Speaker 2 I think one of us or either T.Y. was like, they can't run with him right now.

Speaker 2 They just can't run with T.Y. Hilton.
So let's put T.Y. on the post and Kobe on the corner.
So we came out of the timeout.

Speaker 1 We did it.

Speaker 2 I remember looking in the huddle at T.Y.

Speaker 2 and saying something like,

Speaker 2 run, motherfucker. Like, run.

Speaker 1 Like, run.

Speaker 1 You're going to get it.

Speaker 2 Like, you're going to get it. And BA used to, Bruce Arians used to just call T.Y.

Speaker 1 Little motherfucker. Come on, little motherfucker.

Speaker 2 All the time.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 is that what cussing on podcasts feels like?

Speaker 1 That's a good feeling.

Speaker 1 That was the first thing that I was doing.

Speaker 1 But so he did.

Speaker 2 He ran and he took the top off and the ball, and we, you know, protected it up, and the ball made it there, and he scored.

Speaker 2 But it was fun to feel like the first half was everything could go wrong, and the second half was sort of everything was just going right.

Speaker 1 It was an awesome game. It was a great game.
It was an awesome game. Well, Andrew, thank you so much, man.
We really appreciate it. You're a recurring guest now, so you have to come on anytime we ask.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you knew that. You didn't read the fine print for that.
That's right. You're Stanford fans now.
Yeah, listen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when we want to push Stanford, because if you know, little old Stanford needs, you know, some NIL money, we'll help you.

Speaker 1 Stanford doesn't need anything. You guys got it.
Turn that fire hose on.

Speaker 7 All right, me and Biquette were also thinking about as quarterbacks. We want to start a company that

Speaker 7 just need one drop of blood, and then you could examine that, and then you could change the world. Do you have contacts that can help us?

Speaker 2 There's old Faranos office space.

Speaker 2 I think that's available.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Yeah, we're in. Good.
Let's do it. We're in.
Come play quarterback. No, good luck.
We'll be rooting for you. Yeah, we will.
Yeah. I mean, it's fun when Stanford gets in the mix.

Speaker 1 I mean, your guys' teams with Harbaugh was, it was fun just watching you, especially like

Speaker 1 watching Pete Carroll be like, this isn't supposed to be happening. Like, Stanford's not supposed to beat us.
Like, it would, it was just fun to watch.

Speaker 2 I had fun watching Stanford after, too. Watching Christian McCaffrey and Bryce Love on Coach Shaw's teams, and we'll get there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great basketball, though. Yeah, great.

Speaker 1 The tree. Yeah, thanks so much, Andrew.
Appreciate it, man. My pleasure.

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Speaker 1 Wendy,

Speaker 1 we called, we hit the Wendy bat phone. Basically, it was like, hey, can you please come on for 10 minutes to tell us what's going on? You have not slept.
You're all the way in LA now.

Speaker 1 What the hell's going on?

Speaker 6 Kat, in my career, never have I had my phone go crazy like this. I'm talking about players, head coaches, assistant coaches, executives, referees,

Speaker 6 agents, lawyers, workout guys,

Speaker 6 you know, and they all had the exact same question.

Speaker 6 We don't understand. What don't we understand? What's going on? And I don't have a great answer.

Speaker 6 This is one of the most shocking transactions I've, and I, I mean, I can't speak to the NHL or whatever.

Speaker 6 It's one of the most shocking transactions in American sports history for the magnitude and the way it came out of the blue.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, so let's talk about that part first.
So this shocked everyone. So were the Mavs just, they weren't shopping Luca.
They just did a deal with the Lakers. Is that correct to say? Yeah.

Speaker 6 So as far as I understand, and like, I'm going to be honest with you, I don't have the full 360 of this yet. I'm trying, but picture this like you had a really nice house, all right?

Speaker 6 And you wanted to sell the house.

Speaker 6 How would you go about that? Would you put it on the market to get a lot of offers?

Speaker 6 Probably. And let's say you had somebody that you specifically wanted to sell it to.

Speaker 6 You wouldn't sell it to that person for a discount because if you're going to buy something off market, you know, if it's something of high quality, which Luca Dante certainly is,

Speaker 6 you have to overpay for it.

Speaker 6 Like, if I'm going to keep this off the market, you got to pay me like everything i want so think of think of luca like like a super nice beachfront house but that's not what happened here this was a pocket sale that went down where they got a discount the lakers got a discount um that's not to put down anthony davis but luca is a 25 year old

Speaker 6 in you know not even in his prime yet megastar i mean

Speaker 6 luka doncich has made more first team all nbas than steph curry has yeah okay so

Speaker 6 the fact that this trade would happen, that they would trade a 25-year-old in their own conference, where if this goes sideways, they could be beat over the head with this for the next decade.

Speaker 6 To do it, you know, clandestinely where it doesn't hit the open market and to do it like in this nature is just absolutely, nobody can get their mind around it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I've seen some people say that the Mavs are in win now mode.

Speaker 7 They were already winning now.

Speaker 7 I don't understand what, like, what, what addition, how is this going to help them win now more than Luca would?

Speaker 6 Basically, they're like, okay, we're not going to take the 25-year-old with Warts. Definitely has issues, definitely could hold him back, like, no doubt about it.

Speaker 6 But they're basically like, okay, we're going to take the 31-year-old and the 33-year-old or whatever, Kyrie's 33 or 34, and we're going to say that's what we're going to do.

Speaker 6 And who, guys, who knows? what they could have gotten if it was on the open market.

Speaker 6 Like, there are some teams out there that are holding enormous amounts of draft picks the grant you wouldn't have anthony davis but

Speaker 6 mikael bridges got five first round picks mikhail bridges never been an all-star luca has been first team all nba five times he's 25. right

Speaker 7 it's shocking and then the one the one piece that nobody's talking about the utah jazz were involved in this trade

Speaker 7 Why was that?

Speaker 6 Oh, can you imagine? This is what I'm thinking. Justin Zanik and Danny H, can you imagine they get a phone call in the last couple of days?

Speaker 6 Hey, we need you to take on a salary as part of a deal okay uh who's it gonna be uh jalen hood shifino okay maybe we'll do it for a second round pick what's the trade oh it's luca donchichich for anthony davis

Speaker 6 i'm sorry what did you just say like the jazz has rolled in the situation like they must have been can you imagine them on these conference calls like they like the i would pay good money to see the video of them listening to the conference call going do you believe this like they're putting it on mute they're gonna do it Can you believe they're actually going to do it?

Speaker 6 They're going to give Luca to the Lakers. Yeah, yeah, we'll take the 20, 25 second.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, back on mute. Oh, my God.
I can't believe this.

Speaker 6 Like, this is unbelievable. I can't even imagine what it was like in the jazz offices the last couple of days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the Luca, like, personally, he had to have been shocked. He also loses out on the Super Max.
So, how much, how much money does he end up losing?

Speaker 1 Because he can't now sign a Super Max with the Lakers. He could have with the Mavs.
How much money does he end up losing out on?

Speaker 6 It might be $100 million.

Speaker 6 Jesus.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 you know, I'm not Bobby Marks. I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but here's the thing.

Speaker 6 When you super max means you get 5% more of the cap per year, it's something like, it's worth like something like 70 or 80 million.

Speaker 6 The difference between getting the super max or not the super max at Lucas spot. So part of that is an extra year that you get, which would be at like 50, 60 million.

Speaker 6 He's eventually going to play that year and get money. But he also is when you build your next contract off, you're building it off a lower contract.
So that's a lot of mumbo jumbo.

Speaker 6 It's tens and tens and tens of millions. Plus, he plays in Texas right now for like half or so of his games.
He pays no state tax.

Speaker 6 Now he goes to California where he's going to pay 14% state tax for, you know, almost all of his games, most of his home games and all those games in California.

Speaker 6 It's going to cost him millions of dollars a year in state tax.

Speaker 6 Now, I'm not saying like that is why that makes a big difference, but you tack all that on, it's potentially a hundred million million dollar,

Speaker 6 you know, slap in the face to this guy who thought he was going to be a Maverick for a long time.

Speaker 1 So, so was there any inkling that the Mavs were thinking about, like, was there any like just through sourcing, like Luca is not happy or the Mavs aren't happy?

Speaker 1 So, it was really as shocking as shocking could be.

Speaker 6 I mean, I think the Mavs are frustrated, have been frustrated with him. I mean, he's a guy who frustrates you.
He's also a guy who's so amazing, you live with it.

Speaker 6 And certainly at age 25, I mean, maybe in a couple of years if the if the things weren't working out if he had a couple more you know pouting sessions where he killed them in the playoffs but age 25

Speaker 6 if there's a if there is a reason why this happened like a precipitating event maybe that is true i don't know it and i'll say something else There's people that have been trying to figure out, like, well, why did the Lakers do it?

Speaker 6 Was there like an issue with A.D. and J.J.
Reddick? Was there an issue with A.D. and LeBron?

Speaker 6 The Lakers did it because they got Luka Doncic. Right.
The end. Right.

Speaker 1 The end.

Speaker 6 You know, I know that they were probably annoyed that A.D. did that interview with Sean Sharania the other day where he was like, get me a center.

Speaker 6 I'm sure that didn't make the Lakers weak, but they did this because of Luka Doncic. That's why they did it.

Speaker 1 They have now a succession plan for LeBron.

Speaker 1 Now, how does LeBron work into this where it's like, does LeBron say, From a basketball fit, I don't know how much it fits, but you just figure that out later because it's Luca and you just go get him like you said?

Speaker 1 But is this LeBron like, hey, I'm going to play for three more years now because I got got Luca with me?

Speaker 6 Yeah, so we're waiting to hear on that. So I'm not going to speculate on that.
I do know that LeBron has an incredible affinity for Luca. He's loved him for a long time.

Speaker 6 There's some, you know, he's tried to get into business with him at different occasions.

Speaker 6 They actually, I think, fit together beautifully because you can take the stress off of LeBron having to play so much point guard, but they can kind of play together.

Speaker 6 I could see LeBron being like, this could help me extend my career because one of the things that's happened over the last few years is LeBron has wanted Anthony Davis to take on more of a role.

Speaker 6 He's really been like pushing that and supporting that, not just because Anthony Davis is a really good player, but because LeBron's like, I can't carry this load.

Speaker 6 So I could see LeBron saying, I'm bought in here. I could also see teams calling the Lakers and saying, hey,

Speaker 6 you just picked up a 25-year-old. Do you want to offload your 40-year-old? Now, LeBron has a no-trade clause, but I could see that those calls coming.

Speaker 6 I will say this, though, the Lakers roster is now lopsided. They have no center, starting quality center.
Their best center right now is Jackson Hayes.

Speaker 6 So they got to find a trade between now and Thursday where they get some sort of center.

Speaker 6 Also, Austin Reeves, I'm not sure how he fits.

Speaker 6 This is actually one of the amazing things about this trade is that the Lakers did this deal and somehow are still holding a first-round pick 2031 and holding Austin Reeves.

Speaker 6 Nobody understands that, but they still have those two things. And maybe there's there's a world where Austin Reeves stays.

Speaker 6 Reeves is having a great year, but Reeves is only really successful when he has the ball. Right.
And now he's going to be down the line. So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 6 That may not be something that happens until later. They may try it out, but they now have too many ball handlers.
They have no perimeter defense and no rim protection. So

Speaker 6 the Lakers have been on this. They've won eight out of 10.
They've been playing really good. Now their team's a little lopsided.
So Lakers are going to have to

Speaker 6 make some more moves either by Thursday or certainly by the the summer yeah very important question who gets the last shot

Speaker 6 that's the most important question yeah let's one shot let's let's let's open first take with that one shot i'm gonna speak to mr smith about about setting that up one shot and if it's not lebron will lebron be happy that he's not getting the last shot um

Speaker 6 i think

Speaker 6 in all honesty i think you want the ball in luca's hands yeah i think lebron would i think lebron would agree with that you think is there another domino that's about to fall i feel like there has to be right No, definitely.

Speaker 6 I mean, there's going to be, I kind of wonder, you know how in college, so right now there's like all these sort of large contract players that are sort of just dangling on the market.

Speaker 6 Zach Levine, Brandon Ingram, Jimmy Butler, De'Aaron Fox.

Speaker 6 This is, I feel like this could be like, you know, how when the conferences in college like realign, like there's all this sort of tension, and then like one team, one conference makes a move, and then there's like 17 other conferences.

Speaker 6 And next thing you know, Boise State is in the ACC.

Speaker 6 That is what could happen here. Not for sure, but there's been sort of pent up stuff.
This could be a cascading thing that ends up leading to some major movement by Thursday.

Speaker 6 We thought this was going to be a quiet deadline. We should have known better.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What if Rob Polinka last night, he's doing this deal and the Mavs say, we're ready to do this deal, but we demand Bronnie. Does he still do the deal?

Speaker 6 Big cat, that is an amazing question.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 6 Here's the thing. Like, I actually believe that LeBron didn't know.
I know people don't believe that.

Speaker 6 But I think the reason they didn't, I think they don't tell LeBron because they don't want it on LeBron, he's got to make a decision on AD or not. Right.
I don't think they want that.

Speaker 6 So, but it would have been fascinating if they were like, we got to have Pronie.

Speaker 6 We need some minutes at the backup, backup, backup wing.

Speaker 6 You know, they would have to go to LeBron. And I got to believe that LeBron would say, send us Luca.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 that is remarkable. Yeah.
Fascinating.

Speaker 7 One last question for you. Woody, gun to your head, where does Jimmy Butler end up?

Speaker 6 Guys, I'm not sure he's getting traded.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 6 I think it's either going to be Phoenix or Golden State.

Speaker 6 But Phoenix can't seem to find a home for Bradley Beal.

Speaker 6 And they've been trying for six weeks. And I don't know if that's going to happen the next four days.
And the Warriors have other options. And, you know,

Speaker 6 I think if it happens, I think Golden State is more likely than Phoenix. But,

Speaker 6 you know, but I got to tell you something. The easiest way you can look like a fool right now is to try to predict this trade deadline.

Speaker 6 The prediction for the trade deadline, that business is over because nobody saw this one come up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Cake, what do we say to Mavs fans? Because I feel very bad for Mavs fans. They woke up.
They thought, you got a guy like Luca. He's 25.

Speaker 1 We know what the NBA is. You need a top five player to win a championship.
They had Luca in their minds for the next decade, and then they wake up and Luca's not there anymore. What happened?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't even know how the fan base reacts to something like this.

Speaker 6 The only thing I can say is that when Nico Harrison, their GM, did the Kyrie Irving deal two years ago, I thought it was a terrible mistake.

Speaker 6 I thought that would not work i did not think nico made a smart move i told this to him to his face i i saw him a few days after the deal and i said good luck with this one because kyrie's situation in brooklyn had gone so poorly and nico knew what he was doing he knew the he knew the you know nico was previously at nike for 20 years his number one client was was kobe bryant By the way, his agent was Rob Polinka.

Speaker 6 I think that might have had something to do with there's a relationship that goes back 20 years with Rob Polinka. I'll do it for sure.

Speaker 6 They first started doing business together in 2003 when Kobe

Speaker 6 came from Adidas to Nike, which in today's day and age would be a massive story. Back then was like Sports Business Journal.

Speaker 6 But Nico, when he did that deal with Kyrie Irving, he's like, this is what I think our team needs. I believe in it.
I thought it was a mistake. It's turned out to be a genius move.

Speaker 6 It's totally transformed the franchise.

Speaker 6 So I will just say, while I don't understand this, and I think this is potentially a catastrophic mistake, Nico Harrison has got some capital with the Mavs fans, but my God,

Speaker 6 if Luca turns into this, if this pushes him into like focusing on the right things and getting rid of some of his bad habits, and the Lakers have another era, and Luca has a statue outside crypto, and Luca puts up more banners, Nico Harrison will live in infamy.

Speaker 6 And that is on the table right now.

Speaker 1 It is absolutely on the table.

Speaker 7 What were those business deals that you were talking about with Luca and LeBron?

Speaker 6 So LeBron really wanted Luca to be in his shoe brand at Nike. LeBron hasn't had guys like that.
It's not been like Jordan where like guys wore his shoe.

Speaker 6 And he wanted Luca to be the first guy to like be the

Speaker 6 in the LeBron shoe. And he like recruited him and everything and ended up going with Jordan.
And I'm sure Nike made that choice as well. But like he really, really wanted him to be in there.

Speaker 6 And then, of course, he drafted him in the draft in the all-star draft. But he drafted a bunch of guys in the all-star draft.
Half of them he's gotten on his team. Half of them he hasn't.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure

Speaker 6 what to make of that. All right.

Speaker 1 Well, Wendy, you're the best. Thank you for picking up the bat phone.
Get some sleep

Speaker 1 and we'll talk to you.

Speaker 6 Hey, enjoy the Super Bowl, guys.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.
We're off right now. We got a flight right now.
So thank you so much.

Speaker 14 Man, I'll tell you what. When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 14 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed.
Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate. It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 14 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this.
Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 14 Snickers satisfies, man.

Speaker 1 That's a winning play.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's wrap up. We got two things we got to do.
We got to do Monday reading.

Speaker 1 And Max, you want to, while PFT pulls up the Monday reading, we were going to do this every single day, every single show this week, score prediction for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And you're allowed to change it however you feel. Like if you're not feeling super confident right now,

Speaker 1 and then by Friday, you finally put on some Eagles gear and you feel confident, you can change it.

Speaker 1 Right now, I'm going to go 32-24 Eagles. 32.
How'd you get to 32?

Speaker 1 Couple

Speaker 1 two-point conversions. Okay, a couple of them.

Speaker 1 Maybe, maybe none of them.

Speaker 1 Is that a missed extra point there? Two missed extra points? Maybe it's four touchdowns, all with two-point conversions.

Speaker 7 Touch pushes, all of them.

Speaker 1 Four touchdowns, all two-point conversions.

Speaker 7 Okay. And do you think that the Chiefs get their...
You said 24, right? 24.

Speaker 7 Is that like backdoor 24?

Speaker 1 Like they're smoking?

Speaker 1 They're up

Speaker 2 30. They're up 32,

Speaker 1 21

Speaker 1 with five minutes to go.

Speaker 7 But I thought your final score was 32, 32.

Speaker 1 32, 24. Okay.
And then they get a field goal to make it a one-possession game. Okay.
And then they don't get the ball back. They don't get the ball

Speaker 1 back. Wow.

Speaker 1 What was the halftime score?

Speaker 1 17-10. Wait, no, I thought it was.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I thought it was two.

Speaker 7 They can't get 17-10 if they. 16-10.

Speaker 1 Okay, yep. 16-10.
Two touchdowns, two-point conversions. I don't know how I get to 21, though.

Speaker 7 What's the best commercial? 16.

Speaker 1 No, 16. 16-7.

Speaker 1 No, 16-10, and then the Chiefs are like, oh, we got to start going for two. Yeah, right.
So they're like 24-18.

Speaker 1 Then it's field goal. I have it all touched.

Speaker 1 Don't worry about it. All right.
So

Speaker 1 do this really nice Monday reading. What is it about, PFT?

Speaker 7 Monday. Well, it's the time capsule.
Oh, yeah. It's the part of my take time capsule.

Speaker 1 What? We do a several Super Bowl. Every Super Bowl.
We actually do.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so we're going to flash back a random moment in part of my take history.

Speaker 1 Okay. I hope you do a Super Bowl week moment.

Speaker 7 It actually is.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 7 So it's exactly one year ago today.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 7 On the Sunday that we were flying out to Las Vegas. Remember, we landed and Adam Schafter tweeted out that thing about the Commanders have arrived at the Super Bowl.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 That whole thing we're recording. We're watching the Grammys.
Miley Cyrus looked fantastic. And I get a text because I took a picture of Miley Cyrus on the TV.

Speaker 7 And Max was actually in the picture that I took, and I tweeted it out. And I got a text from our good friend from the Diana Rossini show,

Speaker 7 Diana Rossini, the host, the co-host of Diana Rossini.

Speaker 7 And she said, I said Diana Rossini.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 I don't like listening to this.

Speaker 7 Does Max live in New York?

Speaker 7 And I said, Max who?

Speaker 7 I sat next to a guy in a plane who's really big. Is Max big?

Speaker 7 Whoever you just posted a picture of. Ha ha ha, yes, he was in New York this weekend.
She says,

Speaker 7 he's disgusting. He ate his food on the plane like a monster, was basically breathing heavy and smelled terrible.
Don't tell him I said it, but I was so grossed out.

Speaker 7 And then I sent her a picture, this picture right here of Max.

Speaker 7 Was this the guy? It's Max wearing a Sixers shirt.

Speaker 7 Ask him if he sat aisle row. If so, he farted during his naps.

Speaker 7 It was United Business. He sat right next to me, ripping them during the nap with, I think, six or seven peas there.
He is one of the most disgusting human beings I've ever sat next to.

Speaker 7 Asked him if he scarfed some burrito sandwich before we took off. I said, yeah, it's him.
And she says, he's definitely single. Parentheses, cute face, by the way.

Speaker 7 What a nice thing to say.

Speaker 1 Cute face.

Speaker 1 Cute face. Cute face.
Cute face. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 He was completely in his own world. He smelled of hungover.
He's also very unhealthy. Two sodas.

Speaker 7 Did you write this down or something? Amazing level of detail, I asked her. She says, no, I observed.
I was so grossed out and bothered. God damn it.

Speaker 1 I thought I was done.

Speaker 1 The people get the point.

Speaker 7 I said, you're a great reporter. She said, thank you.
He listens to his music way too loudly. I'm very concerned about Max's overall health.
He's going to die by 25. He was blasting techno.

Speaker 1 He's 29 right now.

Speaker 7 He just farted. He belted.

Speaker 1 He's proving her wrong. Yeah, there you go.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I don't want to be mean-spirited, but I changed poopy diapers six to eight times a day.

Speaker 7 And his farts smelled like my kid's diaper genie. I recently read about a guy who got kicked off a plane for farting so much, and I texted my husband and said, I want this guy kicked off.

Speaker 7 Swear to God.

Speaker 7 So that was a year ago today.

Speaker 7 And now you guys are the best of friends.

Speaker 1 made me want to hate her again. Oh, that's the best.

Speaker 7 Cute face, by the way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Time capsule. Monday reading time capsule.
We always do that. We always do that.
It is a yearly tradition. It's a yearly tradition.
And I think

Speaker 7 I wonder what we're going to do for next year.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Ripping farts.

Speaker 1 Disgusting human beings. I don't think I was ripping farts.

Speaker 7 One thing I noticed about Max on today's plane ride, when he falls asleep, he tucks his arms, he pulls his arms all the way inside of his sleeves and then wraps them around his stomach inside of his shirt.

Speaker 7 So he's like hugging himself with just these loose arm sleeves hanging off to the side. It's very bizarre.
Well, that was on a plane.

Speaker 1 It was a little chilly. It's almost like a blanket if you feel like that.

Speaker 1 Hank took a nice nap, got a little cranky when he woke up.

Speaker 1 We had to play the game of like, who's going to wake Hank up?

Speaker 1 Because it's going to be...

Speaker 1 It just had to be me.

Speaker 7 Hank, do you want to educate the people on some of the stuff that you were saying?

Speaker 1 Come on. Just a little bit.
No.

Speaker 7 But all this stuff keeps happening.

Speaker 1 Listen, there's a lot of things going on in the world. Why aren't we talking about the bridge? People moved on from the bridge.
Listen, we're in New Orleans. People moved on from New Orleans.

Speaker 1 It's a serious subject. You guys are trying to make light of it.
I was just trying to, you know, have some playful banter on the bridge.

Speaker 1 Should we bring up the bridge in New Orleans like every episode? No, it's just, it's not, it wasn't you guys specifically. I didn't say we should be talking about it on the show.

Speaker 1 We're part of the media.

Speaker 7 As we reminded Hank of all these

Speaker 1 underwater volcano and the dolphins. Yep.

Speaker 7 Dolphins are swimming away. That's not a concept.

Speaker 1 Volcanoes do go off. Underwater volcanoes?

Speaker 7 Yeah. I think it goes off once every like 50 years.

Speaker 1 Probably going to be an earthquake. Are you going to think that's related? Well, yeah.
To the bridge? No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 You guys are trying to paint me and label me crazy and put this narrative out there. And that's fine.
No, Hank does think that we're part of the problem. Yo, you're a simulation boy.
You're fucking.

Speaker 1 When I told Hank, I was like, the reason why we don't think about these things is because life's hard enough and you just got to kind of move on and keep it moving.

Speaker 1 He just looked at me like, you fuck it. You're part of the problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, good show, boys. Yeah, Hank.

Speaker 7 National Sports Podcast. Use your voice.
Yeah. Sports podcast.

Speaker 1 Speak up. Sports.

Speaker 1 And bridge. We got a big week in NOAA.
Big week in NOAA. How many gumbos so far?

Speaker 7 I just had one. Just one? But I'm about to have two.

Speaker 1 Okay, nightcap. I'm going to end up having two today as well.
We should get a total gumbo for the whole crew. For four of us, how many gumbos we have? Have you had one?

Speaker 2 You're about to have.

Speaker 1 No, I'm about to have one. I don't think I would have

Speaker 1 to make it all week, but I'm

Speaker 1 going to try it with a lot of things, though. Like, I want a Po Boy.
I want some catfish, I want some shrimp and grits. Like, I'm

Speaker 1 gonna try and like poke all the things, and then diet starts next week. Yeah, I was gonna say, this isn't helping the Diana diet starts next week.

Speaker 7 This is sodium week.

Speaker 1 You're, I mean, aren't you going on vacation?

Speaker 7 Two weeks.

Speaker 1 You're so you're gonna, and I'm, and it's so you're gonna start a diet a week before vacation? Skiing is basically a fitness vacation. Yeah,

Speaker 7 that's so true.

Speaker 1 You're going on a fitness vacation.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, we did the lottery ball back in the studio.
So let's kick it to ourselves.

Speaker 1 Numbers, boys.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go with

Speaker 7 76. I'm going to go three.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go 40. 11.
I'm going to go two. Two.

Speaker 1 E11.

Speaker 7 That's one I guessed correctly for PFT. That's what I got.

Speaker 1 No, that's the one you got, PFT.

Speaker 1 That's my ball.

Speaker 1 71. That looked like 11.
Someone guess 11?

Speaker 1 Oh, Maxie. Maxie, Maxie, Maxi, Maxie.

Speaker 7 Love you guys.