Championship Sunday, Fred Smoot, SB Champ Mitchell Schwartz, PFT vs Max and Fyre Fest

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On today's Pardon My Take, Championship Sunday preview, Eagles, Commanders, Chiefs, Bills, we have a twofer for the people. We got Fred Smoot, who bodybags Max a little bit.
He pretty much cut a promo. Cut a promo for the Commanders.
Then we have Mitchell Schwartz, Super Bowl champion, who protected Patrick Mahomes in his first Super Bowl. Talking Chiefs, talking Bills.
We're going to get into both games. We got Fyre Fest.
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I call the north.

The tensions have been high all week. We've had brush fires between max and pft what do you what are you shaking your head don't shake your fucking head i don't know how he can call the north when oh clearly the north we're the north too what what was the capital of the north this is what we've been dealing with all week where i'm just curious i'm just curious i'm just curious where where do the commanders play what was the capital of the North? I'm just curious.
Where do the commanders play?

What was the capital of the North?

Wait a minute.

State of Maryland is where they play, Max.

Now, remind me again.

What side was Maryland on in the Civil War?

The line.

The line of the South.

Does that line have a name?

No, we were...

Mason Dixon.

No, there it is.

We were in the North.

Barely.

Maryland was in the North.

Firmly in the North.

Washington, D.C. Wait a minute.
In fact, the capital of the union. Not the first capital.
Yeah. That would be Philly.
Yeah, but then bang. Bang.
You couldn't protect your crown. Bang from three.
All right, so yeah, we're going to preview the games. That's just a little preview of.
A battle of history is not one I'm going to win. Yeah, no, you're not.
We've had this all week. It's been great.
The tension is real. We're getting ready for the game.
Before we do the preview, though, we should at least congratulate Memes on getting his new head coach, Aaron Glenn. That's your top choice.
Congratulations, Memes. That's history.
It was cool. I'm a sucker for any time a team hires someone for a player that played there and they just do old highlights i'm like yeah this makes sense i watched an interview with him where he said when he was he decided that he was going to get back into coaching get back into the nfl after he took a break off when he retired so he was like a restaurant owner and then his one of his restaurants was right next to uh one of the stadiums i think nrg stadium he would watch some of the games and be like they're fucking everything up this is really bad his wife was like stop yelling at the tv go coach you can coach love that and then he said when he joined a coaching staff he didn't want to be promoted to being like uh defensive backs coach or or uh like defensive line coach or anything like that in-house he's like start me at the bottom me out on the road.
Have me be a scout because I want to learn every step of the process. And so he worked his way up.
Seems like a great dude. His players love him.
Memes, I'm happy for you. Yeah, your first choice.
I'm happy for me too. Good.
I think this is a great hire. He was on the Jets when they were bad, and then he was also on the team when they got good with Bill Parcells.
And it's just good to get someone in the building, establish pride back into the franchise. Even though it's been bad, there were moments of pride.
It's good to get someone like that into the building. What would you say to anyone who says this is a bad hire? Racist.
Okay. Okay, good.
I like that. Good.
You got that in your arsenal. Yeah, no, I mean, Aaron Glenn's a good coach.
We should... Now, I don't feel bad, but maybe we'll just give a hollow apology to all of the AWLs listening to this from Detroit because this podcast has single-handedly taken the lions for a ride this past week because you took them out of the playoffs yep uh ben johnson went to the bears and now aaron glenn goes to the jets i don't i don't know they can't handle much more from pmt so i i think that the lions are going to have to raid the bucks oh that's what they're looking to do so just yeah fuck ste.
Yeah, fuck Steven Che up. But yeah, it is not been the best week for Lions fans.
They've been very upset. They're calling Ben Johnson a traitor.
They're mad about how the game went, not having their eye on the ball, all that stuff. It sucks, but I also don't feel bad.
Yeah. What did Belichick say about that, Hank? He just said it's fair for people to be upset that coordinators are distracted, the play callers, when they're trying to be making plays for the biggest game of the year, and that the bad teams get to basically come in and distract the teams.
Yeah. The Lions did have a bye week, too.
So I know Ben Johnson didn't even go to Chicago. He did Zoom interviews and then decided.
So I can't imagine that that was super distracting. I do like how Ben Johnson's picking a fight with the rest of the division too.
Yeah. Saying stuff about Matt LaFleur, Kevin O'Connell.
I'd say that's the best coach division in football. Well, we'll see.
Ben Johnson has a lot to prove. Saying six out of ten.
Okay. He's got a lot to prove.
He can't win the offseason. You've got to win win the season i guess they can't go six and ten but that well they can six out of ten six and ten and one yeah oh okay yeah i appreciate that hank i didn't really even think about that until right this second troll always working we also had here's here's something good for us memes uh the jets and the bears are not the jaguars because the jaguars fired Trent Balke after they were turned down by Ben Johnson and Liam Cohn, which is such a dumpster fire move because they were essentially like everyone.
Remember when Trent Balke stayed and Doug Peterson got fired and everyone was like, league sources are shocked that Trent Balky has survived another head coach. Yeah.
And everyone was like, this is crazy. How are you going to get the top hire? Turns out they couldn't.
And then retroactively, they're like, actually, we are going to get rid of him. Yeah.
I mean, better late than never, I guess. But it just goes to show you that Trent Balky, he had a lot of power in that organization just being the person that was informing Shad Khan of what was happening at all times.
Yeah. Cause you can spin it whatever way you want.
Like if you go out there and you lose to the Texans and some guy that you brought in plays really poorly, then you can go to your owner and be like, yeah, you know, uh, misused our timeouts and it cost us the game. You can like, you are the news.
Yeah. You're the only source of information in a lot of cases for some of the owners.
So he was just, like, doing whatever he could to scrape by. Then they got rid of it.
He's also obsessed with arm length. This guy is, like, he's obsessed with drafting injured players.
I think guys with short arms. Yeah.
So, Trent Balk, you better late than never. But I guess you learn if you're the Jaguars.
Okay, well, going through this decision, everyone's turning us down because of him maybe maybe he's the problem yeah maybe he's the problem which has got to be a tough realization that you because liam cohen just like said no thanks yeah and he got a pay raise with the bucks um yeah that's that can't be a good feeling also i think is it brian schottenheimer might get hired Cowboys? It's looking like that right now, yeah. He got his second interview today.
Okay. And I just want Deion.
I just want Deion. I think that would be so fun to have Deion as a coach of the Cowboys.
But I'm tracking Jerry Jones' flights right now. I'm reporting at 4.19 Central Time.
Jerry Jones' helicopter took off from the practice facility flew around flew out to at&t stadium oh did a full circle one full circle and then flew back oh that feels like a closing move doesn't it yeah like the guys verbally agreed to it and jerry's like let me go show you where we play ball yeah yeah let me let me take you for a little loopty loop yes see that hole that's where sun poke yeah yeah no you're right that is the the final is don't they do that like on the bachelor or something they always like take a hot air balloon yeah now they're going to the fantasy suite yeah that's that's exactly what's happening he's gonna jerry's gonna come in his shoe for him yep and it's gonna be a done deal yeah and also congratulations hank you got your offensive coordinator oh yeah josh rick daniel putting the band back together pumped kirk was right he had the first first of it uh so are you're you have to be excited all the way excited that's that was the person i wanted we got you know it was the best offseason you could have yeah it would be very funny if some team like let's say the patriots reloaded if they win 11 games this year and then josh mcdaniels gets hired as a head coach somewhere else that'd be very that'd be Yeah. For the Colts.
Okay. Anything else before we do what everyone is here for? And that is the preview of the games.
I did see Mark Andrews posted a long Instagram note basically saying I fucked up. I feel bad for him.
But Buffalo fans did donate $95,000 to his charity. Which is nice.
Very nice. Probably would still rather have caught that ball and not fumbled the other one.
But still nice. Yeah, if you're Mark Andrews, are you happy? Are you like, this is good.
Thank you, guys. I think you have to say thank you, but you're also pretty bummed out that they are donating all this money.
Yeah. Really, Lamar should actually donate money to Mark Andrews personally because he's gotten a lot of the ire.
Oh, speaking of which, has anyone gotten deep enough into the Ryan Clark, Marcellus Wiley beef to understand? I've looked at it. I want to say I've done about five minutes of research, and I think Ryan Clark is in the wrong in the fact that he's basically been exposed for a massive double standard with Lamar and Josh.
And Marcellus Wiley has just basically been like, dude, you have a double standard. And he's gotten very upset about it.
So are you talking about the Vegas stuff? No, I don't know the Vegas stuff. That's what I'm concerned about.
So to set the state, I think a lot of of people going after Ryan Clark right now because last year when the Bills lost and that was the game that you know they lost by what a field goal and a missed field goal and Stefan Diggs dropped a bunch of balls and he basically was like Josh Allen has to play better he like it's on him blah blah blah and then this year when Lamar lost he's like chin up number eight, number eight. Like, this isn't on you.
You made the plays when you had to make. And it was like, all right, this is kind of weird.
So now what happened with Vegas? So he tweeted at Marcellus Wiley. Hey, Marcellus Wiley, you forgot to tell all your followers about our interaction at catch for the Super Bowl.
Like I said, we were not alone in Vegas. You just couldn't let me be when I ignored you.
So now I'm not ignoring you anymore. Let's have this conversation man to man.
And then he did a screenshot from a text message that he was having with somebody. It's been cropped, so you can't see who it was.
Somebody says, Marcel is chirping again. He always is.
I'm just finally tired of it. And he's acting like Vegas didn't happen because he's a bitch.
Oh, shit. And then says lol i remember the interaction vividly lol oh i know you do you actually made it funny then the other guy says lol so there's actually no context what happened in vegas but it sounds hilarious hilarious it sounds like like this guy's actually like hysterical with laughter right now uh i don't i don't really know what's going on here,

but now I want to know what happened at catch

because it sounds like Ryan Clark ignored Marcellus Wiley at catch,

and then Marcellus Wiley got up in his feelings

because Ryan Clark was ignoring him.

Got it.

That would probably piss me off too.

Yeah.

Listen, we're biased on this show.

We have biases.

We just are pretty transparent about them.

We like Josh Allen a lot. I just feel like ryan clark should probably just be like i i'm maybe making this i'm maybe not treating them the same yeah you could you can always get off a take yeah you can always just be like hey i i like lamar a lot more than josh yeah you could say this is why i'm gonna treat it differently you could say that or you could say i was wrong about josh yeah and okay, too.
Yeah. I think what he's opting to do is just wait until he's right again about Josh.
Right. And then he'll be like, see, I was right about Josh.
Yeah, how he reacts on Monday. Although I think what he's going to do, because he posted also something on Inside the NFL praising Josh.
So I think if the Bills lose on Sunday, he's going to go on Get Up and be like, it wasn't on Josh. But here's- To try to pave over that.
I kind like ryan clark maybe it's because he used to be on the redskins but i think sometimes he's okay sometimes when he gets on tv he delivers these sermons while he's dressed up like austin powers then i'm like okay i can tune this guy out right now yeah so i don't know what i've i've thought that he's always been wrong about josh and it seems personal that's the thing is it does personal. Like he has something against Josh Allen.
Right. I don't know what that's about.
Maybe it's a race thing. I don't fucking know.
But it was a good media beef that I couldn't fully understand because of what happened in Vegas. And the race stuff always happens in boxing.
That's when it's very normal for everybody. If there's a white fighter and a black fighter or like a different country fighter against like a canadian fighter then you like you just squad up yeah and and you let it all happen in between the bells and then afterwards you're like okay back to normal right but in football you don't some people don't do that the well and the problem too is that uh lamar and josh are different in the fact that like lamar has been the best quarterback of the regular season for whatever, three out of the last six years.
That's kind of, you know, you can't really dispute that. Josh's losses in the playoffs have been in large part not because he's not played to his level.
Lamar has had games where he's not played to his level. The thing about quarterbacks is 50% of them suck, depending on what just happened.
So if you lose, you're like, see, that guy sucks and that guy's that guy will never be good again he's the best and that guy sucks yeah it's it's really whoever's winning the game at the time yeah and then the other guy you're like what are you doing it's quarter by quarter how could you throw that how could you drop the ball when you got sacked lamar how could you possibly throw that my thing about lamar, does he know it's the playoffs? He might not. I wouldn't have thrown that.
No. I'd protect the football.
The thing about me, I don't have arm strength to throw that interception. To me, the football is sacred.
The whole franchise. I would limit turnovers.
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First game, NFC Championship game. Philadelphia Eagles are six-point favorites.
Over-under is 47.5. I feel like I just need to be like, go ahead, both of you.
of you just fight well max said something very interesting before we started taping which was he just wants to fast forward and get to the end of the game when there's zeros on the clock oh he doesn't even want to watch the game me personally i i wouldn't mind fast forwarding to maybe like 30 minutes before kickoff see some of the pageantry to fly over everything but max just wants to be at the end of the game when it's all over. So I don't know if Max likes watching ball.
Like for me, the thing about me is I can't wait for kickoff. You love ball.
Yeah, kickoff is, that's my time, baby. Max? I don't care about that.
I'm stressed out. I'm done with being stressed.
I'm excited for this game. I'm excited for this.
I'm excited for this game. I'm also excited for this game to be over.
I'm hoping that I'm confident that the Eagles are going to win, but it's just it's taking a toll on me. So my analysis for this game is very dumb.
The Eagles have better players at almost every position, except for the most important position, and that's quarterback. And I keep coming back to, like, I think the Eagles' defense is better than what Jaden Daniels has played in the last two playoff games.
I think the Eagles' offense is not better than the Lions, but Saquon Barkley is out of control right now, and they're going to be able to run the ball. I just keep going back to the fact that if the commanders have the ball at the end of the game, Jaden Daniels is going to do something special, and we're going to have maximum pain for Max.
I mean, I hope that's how it works out. I think the Eagles are a really, really fucking good team.
Do you agree with my assessment that they are probably better at almost every position except for quarterback? What about running back? Yeah, I'll give you the nod at running back. I'll give you the nod at left tackle, right tackle as well.
Terry McLaurin's playing better than A.J. Brown right now.
Yeah, I'd say Terry McLaurin better than A.J. Brown at the moment.
On defense, yeah, maybe. I mean, if you look at Lattimore, how he played last week, if you look at how Sanders still played last week they both played excellent really good ball last week I love commit they released a rookie tackle leader that was and commanders fans were trying to dunk on Eagles fans I was Mitchell was not on the that was rookie tackle leader yeah for cornerback it was it was pretty tough there was one commander fan somebody who's not here where's where Mitchell? Then everyone replied.
They're like, you actually don't want your cornerbacks leading the team in tackles because that means they're giving up a lot of passes or your linebackers. Yeah, it's true.
Congratulations for dunking on the dumbest people online. No, but you were just like, Sanders still is not better than either of the two Eagles D-backs.
I'm just saying the way that he played last week and how he's been playing recently. But you can't just look at a game,

a whole player by one game.

He might be better than Cooper.

Cooper DeGene.

Number one, he's not.

Cooper DeGene was nominated

for Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Okay.

Sanders still was not.

Okay.

Point max.

I said he might be.

Okay.

Okay.

Jalen Hurts might be better than Jaden Daniels. I disagree.
What is Jalen Hurts' status? He's good. Nah.
Good. He's good? Good.
Because I think that's really what, I mean, not to oversimplify the game, but it really, like, if Jalen Hurts is banged up and doesn't have the mobility that he needs to have,

it's going to be a way different game.

I have a question about the end-of-game thing.

Yeah.

Would you have said that same thing about Matt Stafford last week?

In the snowy conditions?

No.

I mean, he couldn't hold onto the ball.

That's incorrect.

He did it the drive before, and then he did it up until that drive until the Eagles made the big plays to win the game. I would say Jaden Daniels is playing better right now than Matthew Stafford.
I mean, you talk all the time about how good Matthew Stafford is. I know.
He's a Hall of Famer, but he wasn't playing good the last two months. I would feel more confident with Jaden Daniels having the ball in his hand at the end of the fourth quarter right now than Matthew Stafford.
Right now. But it's the Eagles defense.
I understand. I agree.
You asked me a question. I'm giving you my answer.
Yeah. I just think that I don't know if that answer I agree with.
I'll say confidently with the exception of quarterback and punter, I think the Eagles have the better roster. Yes.
I would probably agree with that across the board.

Punter.

You have the better kicker.

No, we have the better punter.

Tressway is a fucking legend.

And kicker.

Yeah, Jake Elliott's a problem.

That also makes sense. I am giving you an extra player there.

That wasn't a...

He did.

You were getting angry.

I was giving...

No, no.

Max, I actually have a stat about Jake Elliott because this is kind of crazy.

In the postseason, Jake Elliott is 22 for 22 on field goals.

In the postseason, Jake Elliott is 25 for 30 on extra points.

Jake Elliott is the most accurate kicker in NFL history in the postseason on field goals.

He is the least accurate kicker in the NFL in history in the playoffs on extra points. But he's also 4-0 when he misses an extra point.
That's also true. That's a stat.
Remember that stat I gave you? Isn't that crazy that he's the best of all time at field goals and the worst of all time at extra points in the playoffs? No, that is crazy. But I think that right now his head is fucked.
Field goals are worth more. The voice you just heard there was Philly Hank.
We need to address this. Hank is wearing an Eagles shirt.
Hank is, I believe, going for the Eagles, but he is so far inside Max's head that Max doesn't believe him. I think...
And Max also, Hank, I don't know if everyone in this room knows this, but Hank is texting Max at 10 p.m. every night this week just birds.
I think he has an alarm on his phone at 10 o'clock to text Max birds. It's bird out.
It's been every day this week at 10 p.m. he texts me birds.
No, I've explained my stance. I'm financially backing the birds.
I had these futures in from before the playoffs. I didn't know they were going to go against the commanders.
That might have changed things. But when you have futures at this level, and it's such a big game, all I've been thinking about this week are the birds, the birds, the birds, the birds, the birds.
And they're going to run. I know it's fun, and we're talking about it.
It's a fun little robbery. It's not going to be close.
It's not going to be close. He's getting upset about this.
Jane Daniels is a rookie. The slipper's going to come off.
He's going to turn back into a pumpkin. Three interceptions.
Oh, he turned his mic off. He turned his mic off.
Turn it back on. It's sad because Hank really can't win.
When he's going against Philly, you hate the guy's guts. When he finally does the bloods in the crypts,

tying the handkerchief together, you're like,

turn this guy's mic off, don't let him talk.

Wait, so you think Jaden Daniels is going to turn into a pumpkin?

Mm-hmm.

Their Eagles defense is so much...

Stop! Please stop!

The Lions were playing with players.

I'm asking you to stop.

The Lions were playing with XFL players.

You sound like me with my kids right now, Max. It was like, please stop.
Please just stop doing that. I'm asking you to stop.
The Lions are playing with XFL players. You sound like me with my kids right now, Max.
It was like, please stop. Please just stop doing that.
I'm asking you nicely. You want to know an interesting stat about Jalen Hurts? About his playoff record? So he's 4-3 in the playoffs all time.
And when he throws for less than 155 yards, he's won all four games. Yeah, that was the stat I gave Max on Sunday.
And when he throws for over 155, they lose all those games.

Yeah, the key to the Eagles winning is Jalen Hurts throwing for 125

and Jake Elliott missing two extra points.

So his injury doesn't even matter.

It doesn't matter.

All right, can I say something that I've noticed this week?

Okay.

Birds.

I would like to read a tweet.

I would like to pull it up, and I will be doing so right now.

Okay.

Here we go.

This is from Ben Standig.

He is a beat reporter for the Washington Commanders.

Okay.

The Commanders are practicing in the bubble with the Eagles' Fly Eagles Fly song

pumped in during the practice.

Are you aware of what that song is to the Eagles? That's your touchdown song. They played the song during their entire practice.
Are they just preparing to let up a ton of points? I think they're just preparing to be annoyed. Oh.
But that means if they're going to be annoyed by the song, that means the Eagles are scoring. You shouldn't be listening to that song at all.
That's an interesting song choice. Hostile environment possible for yourself.
By playing the Eagles score song. And you know there's probably a couple guys in practice that were singing along by accident.
I don't know about that. It's hard not to sing along.
And watch our Eagles fly. Fly, Eagles fly.
On the road to victory. E-A-S-G-L-S-H-E-O.
Yeah, do we have a statement on, was it the mayor? Yeah, thank God she said that before the Rams game. They're 1-0 after that chant.
Okay. She was E-L-G-S-E-S.
I love it when Maris try to talk sports. He's robots.
Did you also see the Washington commander defensive coordinator, Joe Witt, said that they're going to try to hit Jalen Hurts like a running back? Yeah, it's good defense. When he's running with a football, hit him like a running back.
I got no problem with that. Yeah, no, I mean, I kind of like that he's telegraphing it, too.
Yeah, sure. Goes both ways.
Goes both ways. Your quarterback also likes to run like a running back.
Yeah, but we also agreed to turn injuries off. I mean, I don't know if your defensive coordinator agreed to that.
No, we agreed. What happened? I mean, it makes you wonder about these questionable Frankie Luvu hits the past couple months.
Makes you wonder what's going on in that defensive run. Are you claiming there's a bounty gate going on? I'm not saying.
It raises a question. Okay, because he hit Jared Goff.
That one. And then what else? Jake Ferguson.
I mean. Do you want to look at the Jake Ferguson one? Should we look at the Jake Ferguson one? I got my Windhoors fingers up.
I have not seen the Jake Ferguson one. Sorry that we played physical football.

And you know what?

People in Philly would never celebrate an opponent getting injured.

That's a good point, PFT.

Yeah, let's keep doing references.

Why was the first thing JFK getting dome shot at?

I was like, I don't think that was Frankie Louvoo.

But if that happened to Pat Mahomes, they'd suspend him from the league.

Oh, man.

All right.

This is the Jake Ferguson getting hit. Nope.
I haven't found it yet okay all right good job producing well i mean you brought this up no i didn't you you brought up the the defensive coordinator yeah i brought up joe witt i didn't have like a a memory bank of every bad hit frankie louvoo's house i did months that's that's ooze put Put some respect on Frankie Louvoo's name. I don't know if you're going to find it.
I don't know if you're going to find it. I think I'm going to bet the Commanders plus six.
Now, I do have that future on the Eagles, but I'm going to try to double dip, I think. Because I do think it's going to be a tight game.
I disagree with what you're saying, Hank. I do not think it's going to be a blowout.
I think it's going to be close. I hope it's close.
Everybody's saying that the Commanders, this is the start. They'll expect to be back.
I disagree with that. When you're in the NFC Championship game, you have to need to win.
They should try to win it. I'm declaring this a must-win game.
This is a must-win game for the Commanders. Max? It's been a great season, but you must win this game.
Would you like to counter with a can't-lose? No, I would like to follow up with a must-win as well. Oh, we got a must-win off.
Okay. Okay.
So also, one difference in this game from the other two games that we played this season, Jonathan Allen is back for the Commanders, and he makes a difference at defensive tackles, so I'm happy about that. I don't't know that i think the formula for this game is just don't let saquon barkley score a 70 yard touchdown that's a really good formula he's gonna have some like 20 30 yard runs just don't let him score on those runs and yeah if you can force him into kicking 33 yard field goals that'd be great too just simulate an extra point yep but Yep.
But I'm on edge. I'm not as on edge as Max is.
Max is just a basket case this week. He has been.
Shocker. Yeah.
Max, if you lose this game, maybe you'll get to. I'm not worried about it.
Yeah, Hank, you're just. Which actually should make you worried, PFT, because Hank does.
He brings winning energy. And he also, like, these type of bets, he hits them.
I don't know. Yeah, he does.
I don't hit them. I was going to tell Max, if you lose a conference championship, you might get to play Boise State in the first round.
So that'd be nice. Shot of Penn State there, Max.
He's so focused on trying to find this phantom Mike Ferguson hit that he can't find. This is a screenshot of it, but I need the full video.
That looks dirty, that screenshot. Wow.
That screenshot. I would also feel a lot worse, but thankfully Jalen Hurts didn't even play and the commanders barely beat the Eagles, and so that way it takes away the tough to beat the same team three times.
That's true. But what about this? No team has ever beaten Jaden Daniels twice in the same season.
He's a rookie. team no team's done it no team has done it think about that well yeah the other two teams in the division sucked well also the bucks bucks didn't do it didn't do it didn't think about that did you four teams although technically marcus mariotta beat the cowboys a second time that is true but Jaden was the first.
Well, Jaden played for half of it. Not well.
Kind of. And then he was on the sidelines, first guy cheering.
Did you guys see the report about Jaden Daniels' mom? Yeah, what did she say? She does not let him date. Oh.
There's a lot of skirts running around, and she's like, nope, you're not getting close to my Jaden. The big graphic that I saw just it was a picture of jaden daniels it said no girls love that no girls football only football he's married to the game yeah which i love uh i'm i'm so excited max i really am excited to watch this game i'm so excited as well we're gonna be streaming coach gruden will be there uh it's gonna be great it's gonna be it's gonna be an incredible the hit? Let's see.
Oh, yeah, he kind of got him from behind. All right, here he comes in.
Kind of head-shotted him a little bit from behind. I mean, he's getting thrown.
Yeah, he did. He went helmet to helmet.
He's getting thrown down, and then he comes in to make a tackle. I don't really know what point you were trying to make.
That he's the defensive coordinator trying to get injured. Okay, so it okay it's a physical we'll put a pin in the bounty gate uh max was the first to report it potential bounty gate on the commanders yeah uh have you guys decided on a bet um by the way the reason i couldn't find it was because the tweet i saw actually had i was looking up the words and the thing and he actually referred to him asodoo.
Oh, got him good. Got him good.
You should have just called him Frankie Doodoo instead of going on this wild goose chase, and I'd be like, good point, Max. Yeah, Frankie Doodoo.
Also, Max, will you be wearing the overalls? Yes, I will be wearing the overalls underneath my sweatshirt. Okay.
Same outfit for all plays minus one of the Rams game. I will not be giving you use of my phone in this game because I'm going to let it play out on the field.
So you don't have any superstitions with my phone, which was powerful against the Rams. You have to admit.
It's not going to be necessary. you're the fact that hank like he has 30 000 on the line and still wants to be a fucking asshole i'm confident he's rooting hard he's confident no you're in a hank is either in a position where he wins 50 000 or he can make fun of me i would never really doesn that.
Me personally, I would never do that. That sounds crazy, Hank.
I want to win. I don't want to lose.
Who would ever do that? I'm glad that Hank is so confident because we'll get to our interview with Fred Smoot who basically just, you cannot lay a jinx on thicker than Fred Smoot laid on by how confident he was in the commander. So I'm glad that Hank is here counterbalancing that.
I appreciate that. If you did not watch a second of NFL football this year and you just listened to Fred Smoot's interview, you would think that the commanders were the greatest team that ever was created on God's earth.
Yep. It was that.
All right, so wait, do we have a bet? We had talked about doing the wax. Okay.
Upper body wax. A torso wax.
Basically 40-year-old virgin wax. Okay.
because you've got a lot to give max yeah i got i got a decent amount of hair on this chest and we talked about the brazilian but if you're doing brazilian then you have to like actually go to a waxing person like take your all your underwear off and be like hey can you wax my ball and then that's just weird yeah and then also somebody filming that i also like we were talking about it the other day i know people people want to see a bet, and I think this would be good

because we'll make it a PMTV.

You guys have so much at stake.

Yeah, there's a lot.

It's so much at stake.

No bet can change how you feel about this game.

Yeah.

This also will suck.

Yeah, no, this will suck.

This is obviously something that neither of us want to do.

It's going to be very painful,

and I will have to take my shirt off on

camera which i never like to do either that's that's a punishment in its own yeah that's a

fact max you have keys to the game uh what yeah what do you mean do you have eagles keys to keys

to victory sure what are the keys to victory win i don't care about anything else win the win the

football game that's a good key to victory i had want it more i had dial something up and no girls

Let's go. I don't care about anything else.
Win the football game. That's a good key to victory.
Okay, good key to victory. I had Want It More.

I had Dial Something Up.

Mm-hmm.

And No Girls.

That's pretty good.

And also Make Another Fucking Sweet Pre-Game Hype Video.

When is that dropping?

I'm working on it right now.

I got my team on it. Shout out Quiggs.

I got a guy too.

Yeah, Quiggs is doing a great job.

It's just a guy that already makes them,

but I've DMed with him a couple times because he makes sick hype videos. Oh, nice.
This one's going to be better. Nice.
All right, final score prediction. Memes, I'll start with you.
Memes, who are you rooting for? I don't know. Memes just wants chaos.
I saw the Curse of Jim Kelly clip pop up, so that made me think the Commanders are going to win. And Schefter's tweet from last Super Bowl saying commanders chiefs are in the Super Bowl.
Makes me also think the commanders are going to win. So I'll go Eagles 34, commanders 21.
Counterpoint. Yeah.
Super Bowl logo. What's going on with it? That didn't happen last year.

Taylor Swift purple.

That's what people are saying.

Okay.

So what is it this year?

You can't counteract memes.

You can't tell memes to change his prediction.

No, my counteract of weird stats.

Okay. So that does look like Chiefs Eagles again.

No, Bills have red.

Oh, yeah.

Bills have red, too.

But Chiefs are red. Okay, yeah.
Bills have red, too. But Chiefs are all red.

Okay.

34-21 Eagles max.

That was Meem's prediction.

Wait.

You said 34-21 Eagles?

Wait a minute.

Just think of two numbers.

No.

Someone else go first.

I refuse to go right now.

All right.

I'll go.

26-24 Eagles.

Commanders.

26-24 Commanders.

Wow.

I think James Daniels is going to do something special, Dan.

I think Zane Gonzalez.

I think you're going to get a...

Wait, 26-24.

We call him OCD Gonzalez. Zane Gonzalez misses an extra point, so it's 24-23.
Then he makes a field goal. Prove it.
Cash out. I'm not going to cash out.
I'm going to bet the Commanders plus six for probably more than the money. I'll show you the bet before.
Actually, I'm happy that you did that. Yeah, why did you get me there? Yeah, because if Big Cat had taken the Eagles and Hank takes the Eagles, you take the Eagles, I was just going to abstain, so we had the graphic that was all Eagles.
Yeah. No, I'm not going to cash out of the Eagles future, but I'm going to bet the Commanders because I do think no matter what, this is going to be a very close game.
I honestly believe that. That's my analysis of the game.
I think these teams, I think Jaden Daniels is the X factor that will make this game close. Hank? 42-13 Eagles.
Wow. Confident.
Bird game. Wow.
Confident. Slaughter.
So I shouldn't take Commanders plus six. No.
We're looking at pick sixes. Womp.
We're looking at 250, Saquon. I don't know why you do this to me.
Believe in you? Yeah, he's being a good friend. He's supportive.
I'm going to go Commanders 30, Birds 25. Okay.
Max? 28, 24, Eagles. So you're telling me I should bet commanders yeah he's a good pick big cat yeah yeah i don't i don't care about this spread yeah yeah i know no you just pick them to win i just i keep i can't get out of my head that something's happening and that when jd daniels gets the ball at the end of a game something happens the only thing is too many people are saying Too many people are saying it.
I actually have not said Team of Destiny. I know, but I've heard it a lot.
I just think something's happening. It's not Destiny.
It hasn't happened yet. You got to go out there and you got to earn it, and this is going to be a very hard game, very, very hard environment against a great team.
What's the weather? And I also think in all these scenarios, what is the path of maximum, like, what do the sickos want the most?

And what is the path of maximum destruction?

And it's commanders beating the eagles and the chiefs, like, absolutely butt-fucking the commanders.

That's what it is.

Yeah, that's just pain all around.

That's pain every which way.

And everyone's unhappy and everyone's pissed off. That's pain every which way, and everyone's unhappy, and everyone's pissed off.

That's what's going to happen.

What?

Never mind.

What?

Never mind.

What?

Say it.

We're on a podcast.

I mean, just no matter what, I will be...

The Commanders, I will not be rooting to win the Super Bowl, no matter what.

I will not be a Commanders fan.

Okay.

I feel the same about the Eagles.

Yeah.

Okay, so maybe, wait, new vision. New vision I just dropped.
New vision. Eagles beat the Commanders, and then Josh Allen beats the Eagles, and we all celebrate, and Max is miserable.
Yeah. New vision.
That'd be good. Wow.
I'm down with down with that. Wow.
New vision. New vision just dropped.
That'd be cool. That would be because the sickos would get their payday twice and we would get an we would become the sickos with the AWLs.
We would join the AWLs. That's the best case scenario.
Turn it on Max. That's the best case scenario the glazing the glazing that we would put on josh allen oh my god we would be taking victory laps while max is just completely devastated yep oh my god yeah that would be win this week yep win this week i do do have one numerology.
We got into it for the Ravens.

Yeah.

There is some numerology for the Commanders.

Mm-hmm.

January 26, 1992.

Okay.

The Redskins beat the Bills in the Super Bowl on that day.

Ooh.

This game will be played on January 26, 2025. That was 33 years same day they beat the bills in the super bowl okay 33 years before that january 26 1959 fidel castro marries revolutionary vilma espin every 33 years akami gets a ring oh And this is a ring game not really a ring game no you get a ring I love the numerology you get a ring if you win this game I think it's every 33 years a commie has a big day you get ring.
We also learned from the Ravens that that means nothing.

That's true.

That's true.

But that was only two examples.

This is three.

No, they had two. Oh, yeah.

Fuck.

You're right.

Yeah, I fucked myself.

Damn it.

Also, Maryland played both sides in the Civil War.

Oh.

Go on.

I don't know.

That's why I looked up is that they were a slave state, but they were technically in the Union. So some parts of Maryland fought for the Confederacy.
Some parts of Maryland fought for the Union. They were a Union state, though.
They were a border state. They were a Union state.
Border state. It's south of the Mason-Dixon line.
I don't think you understand. Max has read all of two sentences about the Civil War in the last 30 minutes.
So I'm an expert. Basically an expert.
To Max's point, there were definitely some militias from Maryland that fought on the South. Not from Pennsylvania.
Okay. To my knowledge.
I still called the North in the Civil War this podcast. But I said South of the Mason-Dixon line, and I was correct.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. I just want this to be a great game.
I don't want it to be Hanks 42-13. No, I don't want that either.
Although, if it was 42-13, I would actually like that a lot if it was for the Commanders. Yeah.
That would be fun for you. Yeah.
All right. AFC Championship game.
I mean, it's crazy because obviously with the Civil War in our podcast, this game is so, so huge. Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes.
The Chiefs are one and a half point favorites. The over-under is 48.
I don't know where to start other than I'm rooting for the Bills. I'm worried about the Bills, though, because I don't know.
Their defense is banged up again. The Chiefs, the weakness of the Bills defense is the middle of the field.

Travis Kelsey, middle of the field guy.

Maybe they'll just try to shut him down.

And it's Patrick Mahomes as an under a field goal favorite at home in the playoffs.

And it just feels like that's what they do.

Yep.

We've seen this story before.

I've kind of convinced myself that the Bills can do it. Even though I know all the history.
I know that you shouldn't doubt Mahomes in the playoffs. But that's the part of me that just wants to see the Bills in the Super Bowl.
Yeah. That's the part of it.
I think, in all honesty, if you're putting money on this game, I would probably bet on the Chiefs to win this game. That's how I feel.
But I'm not going to bet the Chiefs. It feels like they will find a way to get it done,

and Josh Allen is going to be standing there on the sidelines just with that same look in his face, 1,000-yard stare.

This happened again.

Oh, my God, I can't believe it happened again.

Here's what I'm hoping happens,

and obviously I'm hoping the Bills win,

but here's what I'm really hoping happens.

I hope that Sean McDermott and Joe Brady

and the Bills organization says, we've got one of the best quarterbacks in the world who had an incredible season. And in the Ravens game, they were conservative in the second half.
You can't leave this game up to a last possession. You just can't.
It's happened before. It just, it doesn't go.
Patrick Mahomes has proven it time and time again. If he gets the ball, it's what we were saying about Jaden Daniels.
But Jaden Daniels is more of a feeling. Patrick Mahomes is literally facts.
Like, you see the facts. This is what he does.
I hope the Bills let Josh Allen just fucking chuck it. And I hope they let him just be Superman.
And I hope they realize that to win this game, and this sounds very simplistic, but to win this game, you've got to step on them early and never let them back in it. Because if you let this be a one-possession game in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs are going to win.
That's what you have to do. If it doesn't work, you went out on your sword.
I don't want the Bills to get tight. I don't want the Bills to feel the pressure, and I don't think they will, but I want them to take the shots necessary to trying to stomp out the Chiefs because if you let them hang around, they're going to win the game.
Yeah, I think that this is a situation where you let Josh be full Josh. Right.
Turn him loose, and then we're going to see how many downfield laterals are we going to see between Josh Allen and Travis Kelsey?

That's a good question.

Maybe like four or five.

That's a good question.

I hope Josh does all the crazy shit, all the stuff where sometimes he saves himself in the regular season.

I hope he's jumping over people.

I hope he's doing pump fakes 25 yards downfield.

I hope all that happens.

I want a very fun game out of this.

What sucks is that between me and Max, one of us is not going to be able to enjoy this game for how good of a game it probably is going to be.

Correct.

I'm not sure what it is. I want a very fun game out of this.
What sucks is that between me and Max, one of us is not going to be able to enjoy this game for how good of a game it probably is going to be. Correct.
But, yeah, I mean, if Josh can have one of his better, like, top five of the year performances, I think the Bills have a very, very good chance of winning this game. I agree.
And it sucks because they've had some playoff losses that have not been on Josh Allen,

but that's how we're going to look at this.

After this game's over,

we're either going to look at Josh as like the conquering hero and what a great story for him,

or we're going to look at him as just the guy that can't get it done.

Right.

And it sucks.

It's not fair.

But as a member of the media, that's what we're duty bound to do.

Yes.

So the Bills injury report is not great.

Christian Benford was limited in practice practice he has a concussion uh teron johnson was limited he has a neck shoulder injury injury matt milano was limited he has a bicep hamstring injury and taylor rap safety did not practice with a back hip you need those guys you need those guys I I hope that the bills can get as close to full strength as possible because that's really the the part I think we all agree like the bills defense is it's had moments where it's looked good it's also been injured uh they did a great job against the Ravens the first half last week they got bullied in the second half second half. I want the Bills' defense to give the Bills' offense a chance here,

and that's my main concern because you're going up against Patrick Williams because I think the Bills' offense is going to have success.

Their offensive line is legit.

They do have weapons.

I think the Chiefs' defense is good, but maybe a little overrated.

I just, ah, man.

Come on, Josh.

He's Superman.

For the ref group, Cleep Lakeman, let the boys play.

Let the boys play.

Let them play.

Josh and Pat, they like to flop.

They're going to try to bait you.

Please let the boys play for America.

Because if you throw a flag, you're probably getting the flag wrong.

Yeah.

Let the boys play.

Hank, do you have any thoughts on this game?

Are you going to bet this game?

It's going to depend on the result of the Eagles game.

I'm going to bet the Bills, though, I guess, either way. But if the Eagles win, I'm in a head spot with the Chiefs.
I'll probably just bet the over and just pray for the Bills. Pray for the Bills.
Yeah. One crazy thing to keep in mind for the AFC, See, this is how dominant Mahomes and Brady and Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger have been.
Only seven quarterbacks have started at quarterback for the AFC since 2001 in the Super Bowl. Only seven guys.
And in the NFC, in that same time span, there have only been two repeat quarterbacks. It's crazy.
So I think that's 22 quarterbacks versus seven. Yeah.
And, I mean, Mahomes is – if he retired tomorrow, he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah.
And he should retire, you're saying. It's funny because Hank is – you're fighting a three-front war against the Chiefs as a Patriots fan.
You're fighting the Andy Reid Belichick. Yep.
You're fighting the Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and you're fighting the fighting the Kelsey Gronk battle Kelsey Gronk which one would you say that you're winning in right now we're winning in the oh there goes some dove uh we're winning in the ballot we're winning in all three but we don't have time like we're we're done they have time on their side a loss in this game would be huge for all three fronts i don't think the gronk one i think gronk is the greatest of all time no matter what but and the and and the bills mafia being in new orleans would be uh quite something i've already received word that if it happens ed and alicia will be coming down with a truck, which will be incredible.

I just think, jeez, man, at home.

Sister City, Hank.

Mahomes.

I got to find the stat.

Let me find the stat. Yeah, that's right.

It's snowing in New Orleans.

That means that winter is coming.

I'm going to find the Mahomes stat.

There's no snow in Kansas City ever.

There is no.

Yeah, never.

It's never snowed.

I think we have good weather for both, right?

It's going to be like 40 in Philly, I think.

That's what the early report is.

That's beautiful.

Yep.

That's beautiful.

And then what about the...

I already have it up, 43 and cloudy in Philly.

The other game doesn't exist to me.

I'm kind of the same way, Max.

When I was prepping for this show, I was like, I need to focus.

This is the biggest game of my life. Okay, here it is.
Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is 15-2 straight up in home or neutral site games in January or February.
The only loss is to Joe Burrow and Tom Brady. And in the playoffs, Patrick Mahomes is 7-0 straight up and against the spread when either listed as an underdog or a favorite of less than a field goal, covering the spread by 5.9 points per game.
Josh deserves this. I know Chiefs fans are going to be mad.
Fuck Chiefs fans. Let Josh go to a Super Bowl.
Yeah, but Hank, you know how it is. If you're a fan of a dynasty, it becomes you against the world, and now you're just defending the wall.
Yeah. That's what you're doing.
That's the only thing that you can do. Yeah.
You're laughing at people that are blaming the refs. You're laughing at everybody in the media that says something bad about you or something that's perceived to be bad about you.
I also a stat from our friend uh jay kuda who does the best stats follow him on twitter i believe it was uh the chiefs and the bills have played 10 games over the last uh 10 years both have five wins both have five losses both have 251 points for both have 251 points against so unfortunately for the bills all their losses have come in the playoffs pretty much keep beating them in the regular season losing in the playoffs but not tonight tonight friday night that's the miracle oh nine times out of ten they beat us. Okay.
Last thing before we get to our interviews. PFT and Max, you guys are going to create parlays for the people for your game.
Hank and I, Hank, would you like to collab with one, maybe a whiteboard parlay on championship Sunday for the late game? I'd love to. Two of us just getting together.
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Oh, so it's literally Trent Balky. Yep.
That's hilarious. Yep.
So the beginning of the show made no sense. Yeah, so...
Sorry, our bad. Breaking moves.
I guess they sent Liam Cohn back. Liam Cohn also agreed to a deal in principle with the Bucs that would have made him the highest paid coordinator in the league.
Oh, this is great. And then he left the Bucs.
Memes is saying that this is incorrect. The two sides are disgusting to make Liam Cohn the next head coach of the Jaguars.
I think we have a reporter off right now. We have a source off between Mem and Adam Schefter.
No, no, no. Rappaport and Schefter.
Oh, I love it. What does Rappaport say? The deal is not done with the Jaguars, but for Liam Cohen to be in the building in Jacksonville speaking with the Jaguars about their head coaching job days after agreeing to the extension, it's clear he's the favorite to be the next coach.
And Schefter is confirming Schefter's confirming that he's the next head coach.

Oh, shit.

Let's see. I got to call Stephen Shea because he was puffing his chest out that Liam Cohn was staying.
And this would be awesome if we break the news to him. Oh, my God.
I hope we break the news to him. Beep.

Beep. to him who doesn't pick up their phone five o'clock five o'clock the beginning of the show makes no sense now that's okay we we we podcast by the seat of our pants what we're gonna say we don't know we don't know it's a reporter it's a reporter off this i mean if if they get liam cohen like how much did he hate trump alki a lot really smart by liam cohen to be like i'm not gonna to do this job if you keep this guy here fire that guy yeah we'll talk uh okay so that might be another spot that's uh that's no longer open so it's now down to the Cowboys Raiders and Saints yep um all right feeling like Mike McCarthy to the Saints I do too that feels better by the day.
Yeah. Okay.
Max PFT you guys got your parlays for us. Who wants to go first? Max you can go first.
I'll go first. Don't let him do that to you Max.
I'm going to go right off the rip. Right off the rip.
Break the streak. Jalen Hurts 175 plus passing yards.
This is the game that he tells everyone to suck it.

Lights it up with 175 yards passing.

That means the commanders are going to lose.

Wrong.

I mean, the Eagles are going to lose.

I mean, the Eagles are going to win as well.

But if he goes for over 155 yards, they lose.

I don't care.

Okay.

I don't care what you say.

He doesn't care what you say.

All right. Is your next bet that Jake Elliott won't miss an extra point? Fucking idiot.
Okay, so Jalen Hurts, 175-plus passing yards. A.J.
Brown to score a touchdown. We've done it every week.
He has to get in there once. Eagles to win, and my favorite play on the board, Jalen Carter, 1-plus sack.
Okay. You're doing just like a streak break.
Jalen Carter, 1-plus sack. No, no, not that.
Just – Philadelphia Eagles to win? No, A.J. touchdown.
I mean, yeah, I did two of the four. Okay.
You're calling your shot. Keep that energy, Max.
What's the payout? Right now, it's 9-to-1, always subject to change. Okay.
Okay, I've got – I'm going back to austin eckler receiving yards we had it last week that bad hit i like it even better this week i think that they're going to use them a lot out of the backfield uh 25 plus receiving yards i've got commanders over 23 and a half team points and then i've got olamide zaccheus 25 plus receiving receiving yards people forgot about Zaccheaus because of the emergence of playoff Deami we also have playoff Olamide and this is also a revenge game for him the Eagles didn't want him okay Birds didn't want him 25 plus receiving yards I will not say the same of Jahan Dotson yeah who won that trade remember when we had that That was at Camp Barstool We'll see who wins this weekend Yeah Alright so Yeah Sunday we'll be streaming it Gruden will be in the house Nate will be in the house I don't think Roan's gonna be here Although I did leave it open ended Saying don't tell us if you're coming So he could just show up That's good That way you're kind of like leaving yourself a little treat. It's like leaving the tickets at the front, like hopefully you come to my concert.
Yeah, listen, I would love to watch the game with Roan, but he scares me. I love him, but I would rather him not be in that room.
Max? I don't care. I don't care the elements.
Put on the overalls and win a football game. Just win a football game.
Win a football game. Okay, let's kick it to ourselves with Fred Smoot and then Super Bowl champion Mitchell Schwartz, and we'll finish up with Fyre Fest.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, and for the first time we can say co-worker. It is Fred Smoot.
Now I want to just address this off the top because I saw you have so many fans in the DMV area, and they were like, don't steal Fred Smoot from us. Fred is joining Barstool on a part-time basis.
He's going to be doing the pro football show next year with Coach Gruden and myself and also come to the office, mixing it up. He's still doing everything else but it is great to call you a co-worker because you're insanely talented and it's fun to have you part of the pirate ship but we wanted to have have you on this week because the Commanders are in the NFC Championship game, and I can't believe I'm saying that.
But let's start there. Are you shocked at all by this run and the fact that they're playing on Sunday to go to the Super Bowl? Big Cat, I told you when I was visiting that this was biblical.
This has already been written. Do you remember Daniel 5, 17, when he has to walk into the Lions then and have to conquer those Lions? I told you we had something going here that was special.
Dan Quinn and his leadership. And don't forget about the fact that we got a Jedi at quarterback, Jedi 5, the ultimate force multiplier.
It's changed everything, but it ain't just them. It ain't just the coaches and the players.
I got to give a lot of love to this new ownership. Josh Harris and those guys, they have changed everything.
They have set a standard. There's a very high standard, and I think everybody's getting to see right now that America's had a new team.
We are America's new team, the nation's capital, the Washington Commanders. One thing I've loved watching about this team is that they're getting better.
I don't know that we've seen their best yet, which is a crazy thing to think about. And certainly in the future, you would like to imagine that given the cap space and everything that we got going on, we're going to be able to improve the team as it keeps going.
But that said, I don't like the people that are saying like, oh, the Commanders will be a good team for the next 10 to 15 years i've already heard that i've heard people talking about that because we have a good quarterback it's very very hard to to sustain excellence in the nfl so you got to take this opportunity like don't don't take it for granted that we're gonna be back next year the year after like we're we're here right now it's the bangles yeah yeah so like you can say window is open. That's fine.
But also recognize it's very hard to get to this point, and not every team that gets here is guaranteed to get back. But what I've seen, especially from this defense, is the defense gets better almost on a weekly basis.
It's gotten better consistently throughout the year. And what we saw last week with Joe Witt going up against Ben Johnson and Jared Goff and the Lions offense, I was really impressed with.
So the Eagles, different animal. Taking them on is going to be a different game plan from the Lions.
What do you expect our defense to do to try to slow down, because you can't stop them, but just try to slow down Saquon Barkley? I'm going to be honest with you. I understand where everybody's coming from because we're at ground zero right now.
When I say ground zero, this was our quarterback's first year. This was our offensive coordinator's first year.
This was Dan Quinn's first year installing his culture. So what they're saying is it can only go up from here.
Think about it. We got 80 million plus in cap room.
So that means we can go out here and sign the vest. We got draft capital.
We're only going to put better pieces around him. And the thing about it, I think this is what Jayden has did a good job of.
He's showing you how he's going to play when we have to pay him $300 million, $400 million, and we can't buy all the receivers. We can't have all the tight ends, he's showing you I am the ultimate force multiplier.
I'm going to make everybody around me better no matter what so I can understand why people are so excited. But when we talk about Philadelphia, the only thing I can say is different when it comes to them and Detroit.
I think Detroit, especially the way that Jalen Hurts is throwing the ball right now, the Detroit Lions had another level to their offense because not only can they run the ball with that great offensive line, they could push the ball down the field with J-Mo and St. Brown.
And when I look at Philadelphia, even though they got A.J. Brown and DeBonte Smith, something's going on with Jalen Hurts where he's not pushing the ball down the field.
Then he gets another anchor injury this week. So I'm wondering how they're going to use him.
Is it one of those things where we need to crowd the box and stop – I mean, say Corn Barkley and force Jalen Hurts to beat us? I'm very eager to see what Coach Witt does when it comes to that figure and that situation out because you said it. Our defensive backs played well last week.
All right, Saren Steele making two interceptions. We got guys taking balls to the house.
So it's a different defense, and I knew it was going to be a different defense from week one to, what, week 18, 19, 20 right now. They have gelled together.
They have grown. Yeah.
All right, so another thing, though, that we should mention is the Eagles' defense is a lot better than the Lions' defense, and the Eagles' defense is a lot better than the Bucs' defense. And you lose Cosme, and Jalen Carter's playing his balls off right now.
I mean, are you worried at all about the fact that the Eagles' defense, they have guys at every level. I know N'Kobe Dean's out, which is a big injury, but their cornerbacks are elite.
Their defensive line's elite. This feels like the game, the step-up game for Jaden Daniels, especially with the stakes, and he's playing against a defense that is, I think we all agree, better than the previous two defenses he played.
Hand down one of the best defenses in football. You're right.
They got Jalen Doomsday Carter at the defensive line. They got Sweat coming out the edge.
They got linebackers. They got defensive big backs.
But I don't know how healthy Quinn Young Mitchell is. One of the best rookie cornerbacks to come out in a long time.
They do have their team. But don't forget, guys, we played this team twice.
Last time James Daniels played this team, he threw for five touchdowns against this vaulted defensive backfield when they was fully healthy. And then you go to the first game.
I always tell people, everybody's talking about the game that we won. I'm more impressed with the game that we lost because that game was in Philadelphia and we turned the ball over a ton and still was at the end of that game.
So when we're playing against the N Division of Four and you're playing them for the third time, everything kind of comes together at that point. And it's like fighting your little brother or your big brother.
I know all of your moves. Now it's all about who can withstand and who can play four quarters and who's not going to make mistakes.
And my quarterback doesn't turn the ball over. Jalen Hurts turns the ball over.
He's the key to this game. Jalen Hurts is the key to this game.
Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that.
I am scared of Saquon Barkley, though, because it seems like every – I couldn't see you last night because of Saquon Barkley. Nightmare.
Yeah. Yeah.
He is keeping me up at night. Like, literally, last night I was up until, like, 2 a.m.
watching film of Saquon Barkley just being scared of him. So I don't think you can stop him.
Let me give you a fact right quick. He has those four long runs against us.
You take those four long runs out and he's averaging 3.2 yards a carry against us. So we found a way to bottle him up.
The first game, he broke those runs in the fourth quarter. Joe Witt has found a way to bottle him up.
But can we consistently do it and not let him come with the back-breaking run that he's done week in and week out? The guy is special. Yeah, I was just going to say, I think the key to limiting Saquon is to make sure that when he does break one off, because he's going to break a few off.
Yeah, he is. Just don't let him score.
Like if you give up 30 yards to him, have your safety make a big tackle. Have your cornerbacks ready to hit.
Because there's always going to be gaps that that offensive line is going to create. I'm looking at Frankie Louvoo this weekend.
I think it's a big weekend for Frankie Louvoo because he's violent as fuck. And if you want to stop the Eagles offensive line from opening up big holes, especially when they get moving side to side, you just knock the fuck out of their guard.
You knock somebody back a little bit, disrupt the timing of the offense. And I think that Frankie Louvoo is the kind of psycho that is going to be ready to do that.
Well, he's a penetrator. He's organized chaos in the bottle.
He's the Tasmanian devil. He's everything that you want at the linebacker position.
Yes, he can make plays, but we need the D-line to play on the other side of the ball because they get behind that mammoth offensive line and they let Saquon pick his holes. So they run in a zone scheme.
That's why you see him bouncing from hole to hole and once he fires that crack, that's when he hit him. So it ain't going to be one of them things where it's just Frankie Lubu.
Frankie Lubu going to have to bring some of his homeboys to the party. It's going to take a group to stop Saquon Barkley.

So it's one of them things where it's going to have to be Bob Wagner to the

bowl, Corey Martin to it, and Jeremy Chin has been an enforcer.

I don't know if people have been watching Jeremy Chin,

but Jeremy Chin has been playing light-sided,

strong safety position.

It's going to take a group.

It's going to take a family to stop Saquon Barkley.

Luckily, I think we got the guys with Payne, Allen, rest of those guys, Lawrence. I think we got the guys to make this happen.
Okay, so we're making the case for the commanders. Obviously, you're picking the commanders, Fred.
PFT obviously is as well. Max, our producer, is a big Eagles fan.
Max, do you have any counter to this? Because it is one-sided right now to the idea that the commanders... I'm probably going to pick the commanders against the spread, but Max, what do you say? I mean, Fred's right here.
Face him head on. Yeah, no, I think the defense, you are greatly overestimating how much better this defense has been than the past couple defenses you've been playing.
Jaden Daniels hasn't looked as good as he has in the past couple weeks against elite defenses, and the Eagles are an elite defense. Yes, Jaden Daniels is very good, but this is a different animal, and I understand that Detroit was a tough place to go into and win, but that team you were playing is a third-string defense.
This isn't the same team. You know what? I love the fact that you got your version and I got the truth.
Now, let me give you a couple of facts when it comes to the truth. We've already beaten y'all.
We let you off the hook rooms in Philadelphia. And let's be honest.
When we played in Detroit, we can go position for position comparing our offensive, and they got better players than us at every position besides one. That's quarterback.
Like my quarterback is better than yours. That's what I told him to give Jay a go.
Well, guess what I'm going to say against the Philadelphia Eagles? My quarterback is better than yours. So at the end of the day, the quarterback position sometimes will find that.
And don't forget, don't forget, I know you like to forget, you say you have been praying so well. We threw five touchdowns against you when we beat you on the walk-off.

Touchdown the last time we played you.

So this is all I'm going to say.

One of them always told me the truth hurt just a little bit more than a lie.

But if you want me to lie to you, I'll make you say I'll fly to you.

All right.

There's another fact that if you want to talk about facts,

you said that the Eagles had a completely healthy secondary,

but C.J. Gardner-Johnson got kicked out of that game for talking shit.
Was he healthy? He got everything he deserved. Yep, yep, coming from you.
Talking shit. Everyone should get kicked out of the game for talking a little shit.
It happens when you go across the line. The one thing about it is our team doesn't hurt itself in that type of way.
Our team plays with discipline. It's a difference between a Dan Quinn coach team and a Sarayani coach team.
Your guy punched him in the face. No, no.
The one thing, y'all got guys on the sideline reading the Bible. We don't do that over here.
Don't do that in Washington. We'll see.
Jalen Carter, it's going to be a tough day with a backup going against Jalen Carter. Well, actually, it's not a backup.

We got Taylor B. Oddish at center.

And I don't know if we can introduce you to him because he's dominated everybody from Dexter Lawrence and anybody else he's right.

We're going to be fine.

Next man up mentality.

At this point of the year, everybody got people hurt.

Philadelphia got people hurt.

Will you tell us how hurt is your quarterback, the one that you got the fat head of right behind you? How hurt is he? He's not. I mean, we'll see.
We'll see. He didn't look great at the end of last week, but a lot can change in a week.
Yeah. In the last time we played y'all, right, he was out for two weeks after we ran into him a couple of times, Mr.
Frankie Louvoo. Yeah, helmet to helmet.
We don't condone helmet to helmet. Player safety is paramount.
All right, so Fred, I got a question for you about the mentality here because I do think this is an interesting aspect of the game. And it's not saying that, like, windows open or anything, but the commanders are underdogs.
It does feel like there's a lot of pressure on the Eagles

because this team is, you know, their defense is young,

but they got some older dudes on the offensive line.

You don't know how many times you'll be back here.

Do you think that that is real, that the commanders can play a little more free

and that underdog role of like, hey, no one's expecting us to be here.

We don't have the same pressure.

We can play a little more free.

We can play a little more like that underdog role. Is that a real thing that happens in the locker room? I just think we in an unexpected window.
I don't think we want to call ourselves underdogs. That ain't what Coach Quinn teaches.
He said that word a couple of times. Like, that ain't what we do.
We here because we supposed to be here. We're a team of destiny.
It's a different. Like, everything's going.
Like, you know, sometimes it takes the football guys for things to follow y'all way. Y'all remember the open hand with Tom Brady and Charles Woodson? Y'all remember Pat Mahomes numerous times? Things happen in this game.
And the one thing we're not doing is saying we're not supposed to be here. We're playing with house money.
No, we're not playing with house money. We're a team of destiny.
And the only thing that's in our way is a city with a broken belt in there and a statue of a man that don't exist in Rocky. So at the end of the day, we're going to Philadelphia and we're not going there to eat cheese steaks.
We're going there to get a victory. We're four quarters away from a Super Bowl.
Nobody would have gave us a chance to say that at the beginning of the year. And the team that's in front of us that's trying to stop us is a team that we already beat one time and we took to the brink at home.
We're not afraid of the Philadelphia Eagles. I can't wait because I really do.
I'm loving this. Everybody say it all year long.
The NFC North was the best conference in football. Psych is the NFC Eagles.
I can get it with the psych. This is actually unfair what we're doing to Max right now because bringing in Fred Smoot as mouthpiece for the commanders is like the most tilted you can get in an argument.
I mean, he's also just not saying that Kenny Pickett was the quarterback in the game. That hasn't been mentioned once.
Well, he wasn't talking about doing anything against the offense. He was talking about five touchdowns.
But, I mean, that is a big piece of the game. Look, he wants your backup quarterback.
Just like when Marcus Mariota comes in the game for us, all he do is ball. Because guess what? We took time and we picked the right guy.
Y'all pick Kenny Pickett. He's nothing like your starter.
Your whole offense changed when he come in the game. So I can't blame the fan base, but I can't blame the front office.
But this is, you agree, PFT, you can't argue with Fred Smoot. No, no, it's impossible.
You're going to lose. Because you can say something, you can make a great point against him, and then he's going to come back and make a louder point that rhymes.
Yeah. I can't compete with the rhyme.
I can't compete with the rhyming Fred, I think I love the vibes I'm a little bit, I'm backing off saying Team of Destiny just yet because I'm also I respect the Philadelphia Eagles What stops you from saying that? Because I don't think we're playing with house money because I think house money means we lucked up and got here We beat legit playoff teams We went to Tampa and beat them on the road We went to Detroit and beat them on here. We beat legit playoff teams.
We went to Tampa and beat them on the road. We went to Detroit and beat them on the road.
We have beat playoff teams all year long. We beat Philadelphia.
We have beat playoff teams. We have been bro to bro with Giants.
We have backed down from mode one. And like I said, long as we enter a game and my quarterback is the best quarterback on the field, we feel like we can win the game.
We walk in Philadelphia this week. We're going to feel like our quarterback is better than yours.
I'm with you. I'm with that.
I love the mentality. I just don't think saying team of destiny is a good – because you've got to go out there and you've got to earn it.
If you go into it thinking team of destiny, then it's like, oh, we're going to win because we're a team of destiny. That's quiet self-confidence.
They're saying that we're not playing with house money. Like when you say you're playing with house money, we're smoking to the Braille.
That's a hint of we're not supposed to be here. No, no, no, no, no, no.
When I say house money, I mean like I think the commanders are very good. I think Jaden Daniels is the best quarterback in this game.
I'm saying more like this season going into it, you never expect to be in the NFC championship game. You can play loose.
You can play fast. You can play this feeling of like, hey, what we've been doing, we're on this incredible run.
Let's just keep being ourselves and play the way we want to play and hopefully the other side gets a little tight here and there because, you know, their offense hasn't looked

as crisp as the commanders have. So it's not a diss.
It's like house money is a great thing to have because you're just sitting there like, hey, we're going to go out and be ourselves. And I do think, I said this like maybe, I think it was after the Falcons game, it's like there's something about Jaden Daniels that he makes everyone better on that team.
and when he has the ball late, you just expect him to do something

and you have that faith in him that I think elevates an entire team. Big Cat, let me ask you this, Big Cat.
All right, let's just say the game is 25-25. We got the ball last with two minutes left.
Who wins the game? Yeah, you guys, I said it in the Bucs game. I turned to, I think it was Hank I was sitting next to when the Bucs kicked the field goal.
I turned to him and I said, Bucs aren't getting the ball back. Like, they just aren't getting the ball back.
Four minutes left. I was like, they're not getting the ball back.
Jaden Daniels is going to figure this out. And that fourth down, you know, like you guys have been running so hot on fourth down, which obviously – What is it, 20 of 23? We are the best fourth down team of all time, Sid, which is this big cat.
Yeah, no, no, it's insane. Now, are they going to be 20 of 23 percentage-wise for the rest of his career? Probably not, but it doesn't matter because they're 20 of 23 right now, and that's how they're running.
And I love that Dan Quinn is staying aggressive, that Marcus Mariota fourth down to start the Lions game was bad. And he didn't blink.
He was like, no, no, this is what we're doing. And it's almost like the commanders have gotten into the push, the tush push territory where if they can get into.
If you look at the statistics and you compare it to, I heard you say this, Smoot. You compare it to 2022 when the tush push was unstoppable,

the commander's fourth down has been better than the tush push. Yeah, and it's that point where it's like if they can get it, all they have to do, it changes the whole approach offensively because they basically are saying get us to fourth and three.
If you get us to fourth and three, we'll convert it. Actually, we've been more dangerous because we've been doing it on fourth and seven, fourth and eight.
The thing about it is the four best fourth down teams out of four teams that's left in the playoff right now. They're just pushing Philadelphia, Josh Allen in Buffalo, and of course, of course, the God's gift, the Prince that was promised, Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City, they all four are ranked one, two, three, and four fourth down.
I think they has a lot to do with who makes it to the Super Bowl because of that. Because you're talking about four teams that don't turn the ball over much.
You're talking about four teams that can run the ball, not with just their running backs, but they can legitimately run it with their quarterbacks. You're talking about four teams that's optimistic on defense and play great special teams.
So this is going to come down to the end. Both games are going to come down to the end.
And if Jedi 5 gets their ball last, may the force be with you. I love that.
I love that. Do you have any thoughts on the AFC Championship game? Do you have a pick? I think it's going to be another classic, man.
Think about it. End game with Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen handlining this game.
This game can go either way. And for the first time in a long time, somebody's going to go to Kansas City that's not afraid of the cold because Buffalo's not afraid of the cold.
And one thing we know about Buffalo is James Cook get to running that ball downhill, and they get to possessing that ball and making Pat Mahomes watch that game. We could have that old rematch of, I don't know if that was Super Bowl 20, 23 or 24, but you remember Washington and Buffalo played a Super Bowl that we ended up beating them in.
I don't know. Maybe we get another replay of that.
Yeah. If we're lucky enough to make it to the Super Bowl smooth, I think me and you should host a love boat party on Lake Pontchartrain.
What do you think? Yes, we should. Yes, we should.
Get a boat out there. Get some ladies.
Get some liquor out there. We'll have a good time.
Nobody will tell us for pissing. We need to go there and bathe in Bourbon Street.
That's what we need to do. All right? We need to go and take on New Orleans like never before.
You're talking about a fan base that hasn't had this chance in three decades, almost four decades. Y'all have awakened a sleeping giant.
We got fans from Australia to Canada to China. We got so many fans when it comes to it.
They have nothing to cheer for for over three decades, and now we are back as America's new team. That's the new moniker.

All right.

I'm going to look at boats if we win this game.

I'm not going to look at boats until after the final whistle on Sunday.

Make sure it's a yacht.

Yeah, we'll get a yacht.

It's got to be a yacht.

Or maybe a fan boat.

Maybe get strippers on a fan boat out there.

That would be fun.

Don't come out there in the tugboat.

You get no love.

All right.

Well, Fred, I have one last question for you.

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Give us a final score. Final score, I think it's going to be a rock'em, sock'em, bring your ride a-o, let's not bubble football game.
It's going to be physical old NFC East.

I wish we had man calling this game.

I think it's going to be a 30-27 game.

It's going to come down to the wire.

It's going to come down to the lead of a kick.

I call him Big Game Gonzalez.

So hopefully he can close it for us.

30-27, Washington going to New Orleans.

I think we will outlast Philadelphia in Philadelphia.

And I cannot wait to go to King Street and get a Philly cheesesteak on my way back home to the DMV I love it from your lips to God's ears Fred yes yes please please we need it we need it this is a good fair and balanced preview of Commander Ziegle. I was going to say, we just invited Fred on to just fucking bash Max over the head.
That's what Philadelphia is usually doing to us. And, you know, it has got to a point where Philadelphia fan base is so hostile that our fans are afraid to just travel up 95 and go to a game.
But we kind of acted this because everybody got a cousin, nephew, brother, somebody with a teardrop on their eye that don't believe in following the rules. So we're going to get all them in the car, and we're heading to Philadelphia to fight back this week.
Oh, man. I love it, Fred.
I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
I love the confidence. I wish I could be as confident as you.
I'm nervous. Because what still a little worried, but why? What scares you? They're in a Super Bowl wonder and we're not? That makes you a fool? No, I respect the hell out of their defense.
Jalen Carter is a guy that will wreck a game. You can't really stop him for the full 60 minutes.
Saquon Barkley might be the best offensive player in the NFL. There's a lot to be concerned about.
But that said, You remember Sexy Dexy Lawrence from the New York Giants who dominated everybody this year? He didn't dominate us. De'Adi shut him down.
Do you remember Villavea, one of the best defensive tackles in football? De'Adi come up and miss him and still putting him on the mail card. You remember all the details that we faced all year, and James Carter, he's kind of included in that, him and Gordon Davis.
We've been there, we've done that. The only people we're afraid of is Jesus.
If you ain't pulling him out, we ain't afraid. Alright, I mean, I think the commander should be 14-point favorites

if you're listening to this.

I respect Big Dom.

So he scares me too.

But I love it.

I'm confident.

I think we've got a real chance at winning.

And if we play our game and if we operate fast and no huddle,

tire the defense out, I can see it happening.

I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
Why not us? That's all I'm going to tell you. Why not us? Oh, man.
All right. Well, Fred, thanks so much, man.
And hopefully we see you in New Orleans because that would be great. Most definitely.
We got a couple of weeks, fellas. But we don't know after this weekend, I'll be back in.
I'll be back in the Super Bowl window. Coach Gills talked about it this week.
And you know when the Josephs talks, we listen. Derrick Green been talking about it.
So come on, man. The football guys are lining for Washington right now.
Right now between the football team in Washington, the baseball team in Washington, the Capitals are number one. This is Washington District of Champions.
And if y'all want to come and jump on the bandwagon, you're welcome to. All right.
Thank you so much, Fred. We appreciate it.
And congrats on joining the Pirate Ship. We love having you as a coworker.
Yeah, very happy. I can't wait to work with y'all guys.
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Okay, we now welcome on recurring guests. It's been a while, but we thought he'd be a perfect guest to come on before Championship Sunday.
It is Super Bowl champion, four-time All-Pro Mitchell Schwartz from the Kansas City Chiefs and Cleveland Browns. We've got to throw out the Browns there too.
Mitch, thank you for joining us. We appreciate it.
I want to do the hardest question first, if that's okay. I want want to do the real hard question first then we can do easier questions about the game after the hard question is when you were playing for the Chiefs winning a Super Bowl how did it work uh with the refs telling you they were going to like throw the game for you was that during the week or was it just on Sunday morning where they would come into the locker room and be like hey guys don't worry we got your back yeah it was sunday before the game for you was that during the week or was it just on sunday morning where they would come into the locker room and be like hey guys don't worry we got your back yeah it was sunday before the game you know they uh they didn't want us to to mess with our preparation and then um you know i was really thankful for that because i ended up my career ended with a second back surgery so i just got to thank the reps for uh you know causing me all that pain that ended up requiring another surgery because i'm so thankful to have back pain for the rest of my life.
Yeah, I figured it'd be during the game, like in WWE when they whisper something into each other's ears. They're just going to be like, I'm going to call hands to the face, act like you hit you in the face.
And then you just go out there and do that. You did a great job, but you're a great actor.
Yeah. Thank you.
So that's honestly my thing. If people actually think that that's realistic and that's what's happening, then treat it like wrestling.
Then it's fake and treat it like wrestling and stop complaining about it. Yeah.
So you don't care or treat it like wrestling. It's one of the two.
So what, what do you, what's your take on all of this? Because obviously the Texans game, I know we were, we had the take after the Texans game that listen, I don't think the Texans, those weren't the two plays that, that made them lose the game. They, they were bad in special teams.
They didn't get a get a couple big fourth down conversions the Chiefs convert on the big plays and take advantage of big plays time and time again in the playoffs but what what do you say to people who are conspiracy theorists and being like the Chiefs get all the calls and this is bullshit you know there's only so much you can say I think the first call was legitimate I mean there's that camera angle from the side that for every reason they didn't show Buck and Aikman when Aikman was complaining about it. They only showed the one from behind that looks like he doesn't get hit in the face.
But there's one from the side that you can argue that Helmut is touching Pat's face mask. But there's, you know, in general, that kind of forcible contact to the head and neck area.
His head snaps back. And it's defined in the rulebook.
If you're unsure're unsure throw the flag because we want to protect the quarterback so that one sucks if you're a Texans fan or you're rooting against the Chiefs but I think the refs were correct on that the second one I disagree with I think that it was a late slide and the guys were already committed it's not it wasn't the Trevor Lawrence slide that I felt like you know Alshair had plenty of time to pull up I felt like Pat slid late and there probably should have been a penalty or there shouldn't have been a penalty yeah um so yeah i mean one out of two and you know i've seen people say obviously i've got a lot of cheese fans in the in the follows in the timeline if that penalty doesn't get called it's second and six right right it's not like that was the end of the drive it's not like that was you know a turnover type of play it just it ends up being second and six in a game that to your point kansas city largely controlled uh especially defensively so um it's it's i understand why people get frustrated when there's kind of ticky-tack calls but i think it's just a volume thing that chiefs have been on tv in prime time the most of any team the last seven years and people like to root against you when you're having success so of course there are going to be plenty of see them in every game, every single week. The refs are not as good as we want them to be.
It's just we see a lot more high leverage calls with the Chiefs playing. The volume thing is something that I don't think I ever brought up, but that's a really good point.
They are on TV the most, and they're in these big games. They've played the most playoff games in the last six or seven years.
So you're just going to see it. And whenever it happens for the Chiefs, everyone's like, well, it's a conspiracy theory.
Right. And I'll give you a little bit of ammunition that you can use.
And Chiefs fans can use this too this weekend. So the referee assignments for this weekend, Cleep Lakeman is the head ref.
The Kansas City Chiefs are nine and seven with Cleep Lakeman as the ref since Patrickrick mahomes was the starter for the chiefs that sounds like a you know not a bad record nine and seven until you realize that the chiefs in that same time period are 90 and 26 so like if you just look at that cleep lakeman is the most effective person in the nfl at stopping patrick mahomes at nine and seven yeah it was the thing with i think think it was the Texans game. They're like, oh, the Chiefs are four and oh or whatever.
They've never lost with the ref. It's like, yeah, when you're 80% over the guy's career, you know, and there's 20 refs, there's going to be a few refs that have never called a game that the Chiefs lose.
Like that's just the percentages. But I don't think anyone who's still talking about the refs and like talking about it in a meaningful way wants to hear both sides.
They're just stuck in with their side. They want to complain about it.
They want to be online. So it's just it's not even fun to like try to actually use stats.
You know, there's a lot of people out there who are compiling different things. Every single data point shows that this isn't a real thing.
But people just don't want to hear it. And that's OK.
Yeah, you don't have to. It's people are blowing off steam, and they're angry because the Chiefs are really good, and there's a lot of fan bases that have been personally affected by the Chiefs that don't want the Chiefs to win anymore.
So sometimes it's easier to just complain, just bitch and moan about it. It's the American way.
Yeah, they have a right. They have a right to do that.
All right, so in terms of this game and the Chiefs this season, you know the game at such a high level. You watch the Chiefs.
You know what that locker room is like, Andy Reid. Like, are we in the mindset that the Chiefs have a, you know, switch that they're able to flip for the playoffs and their offense is able to hit a different level? Or is it, hey, maybe this offense is not going to look great for this playoff run, but it doesn't matter because Patrick Mahomes will get you the big third downs and he'll find Travis Kelsey and it will work, and all that matters is winning games.
Yeah, I don't think it's a switch that gets flipped. I think there is a human element to it that it is really hard to play a lot of football games to be the best team and every year have every team treat your game like it's the biggest one on the calendar you know in week two or three whatever it was when kansas city went to atlanta there was some uh thing that this was atlanta's biggest game since 2017 it's like okay well this is just another another sunday night football game for kansas city like that's a huge difference when one team is treating it as like the biggest game in the last eight years of their franchise and for the other team it's just another ho-hum game and as much as we want to discredit that human element like that that's part of it so it is hard to you know match the other team's energy level every single week throughout the course of a season let alone you know over the last five years I think it's been really interesting that in the media the players that have come to the Chiefs defense the most have been the Patriots guys, because they are the only ones that have been through something similar to this.
Obviously, they had a 20-year run, but they understand how difficult that is to be the team that gets hunted year after year after year. And, you know, it seems like they have a lot of respect for what Kansas City's done and still, you know, putting out the records they do, winning the Super Bowl.
So I think once you get to the playoffs, you're able to, from the Kansas City perspective perspective you know that sense of urgency it's it's cliche and sounds dorky but this game could be your last like the sense of urgency is upped obviously these guys have shown that they have an ability to raise their games in the biggest moments and so it's not like oh on first and second down we'll just kind of do whatever and you know Pat will make us right somehow he does make most things right on third down I still don't know exactly how that's the case other than he does it and he's done it since he started uh playing for kansas city um but no it's just it's it's a combination really that's the biggest thing i learned last year you know after the raiders game on uh christmas i was like okay chiefs gonna make the playoffs it's gonna be really hard to win four straight games against good teams and win the Super Bowl. And then they won four straight games against really good teams, including going to Baltimore, who is the consensus best team, top five offense, top five defense, top five special teams, and won that one pretty convincingly and then had a good Super Bowl.
So we now have evidence and proof that Kansas City can elevate in the playoffs, but I don't think that means that they're not trying as hard necessarily in the regular season. It's just an element of how important the playoffs are.
Yeah. And it does, it does feel like it comes, you know, it doesn't feel like the whole team flips switch, but it does feel like that is the case for Kelsey in terms of he's later in his career.
And that stat that we talked about on this show, but everyone's been talking about the 14 straight playoff games where he has 70 yards or more. What is it about Kelsey and how he's able to operate? Is it really like sometimes in the huddle, he's just, he's like, I'm just going to be open, find me? Because it does feel like that where it's like, he's not even running a route that's like predetermined.
He's just finding open space. And whenever they need a big play, he's there.
Yeah. He doesn't have to say that.
It's just understood that whatever the lines are on the paper, you know, Trav's going to use that as his jumping off point. And then he's just going to kind of feel his way through there and figure out exactly where he needs to be to get open.
I think, again, he's 35. It's hard to play tight end in the NFL.
I mean, again, this gets into the Gronk comparison, but, you know, Gronk's been retired twice now and Trav's still kicking. So it's hard to be an elite tight end into your mid-30s, late-30s.
And so there is that element of doing what you need to do and not necessarily more in the regular season, understanding that you need to play your best football in January and February. And the help of the schedule in terms of getting the one seed in the bye and being able to rest in week 17 we saw that last year you know the start of the season travel was injured week one and i feel like never really got fully healthy until that week 17 i guess week 18 now uh he got the the week off that he chose not to chase the thousand yard record um this year you know the guy's got 24 days travel obviously looks a little more spry a little uh a little bit more juice in those legs at 35 so yeah there's something to understanding what's needed uh when your best is needed and also i think people understand how important travis is to the team but the emotional leadership that he provides on the offense you know as he goes the team goes and again getting back to what i said earlier it's hard to be that emotional leader every single game all the time be hyped at all times and do it at the age that he is.
So it does make sense that it's easier to conjure that magic for all 60 minutes in the playoffs. Yeah, there's another guy that always shows up in big moments, and that's Chris Jones.
It seems like every big third down he's making a play. I'm curious to know from your perspective as an offensive lineman, and you can get as detailed and nitty-gritty as you want, what about chris jones that makes him such a pain in the ass for offensive lineman to deal with yeah i mean he's been he's been showing up in big moments since the combine uh he showed flashes he so the thing with chris is he's so naturally strong you know when you're watching film or one of the scouting reports the reason he wasn't like a clear first rounder well he plays high and you he's got to get his pad level down.
Turns out you don't have to get your pad level down if you're stronger than the guy across from you. And so what Chris combines is a great national strength with really skilled hands and the ability to basically make the offensive lineman wrong.
You know, if he beats you with power and that bull rush and that strength, your tendency is an offensive lineman. You want to get your hands on the guy.
You want to try to lock him up early.

You want to kind of shut down the rush before it gets started.

Well, the second you throw your hands at Chris, he swipes them.

He beats you around the corner.

You do get your hands on him.

You know, we call it a Hamilton technique,

but basically he grabs your wrist, lifts it up,

and converts into power and kind of walks you back to the quarterback.

So he has the ability to make you wrong however you want to block him.

If you want to be handsy and be jumpy and try to get on him before you get gets started you're going to get swum and you're going to get beat uh with those hamilton techniques and if you want to kind of play patty cake and you know back up and kind of shake with him uh he'll just run right through you and get to the quarterback either way so it it puts the offense lineman in a really tough bind you're not quite sure what technique to use because typically you know there's one thing i can try to take away and if the guy beats me on a second or third best move okay i can deal with that but chris's two best moves counter the two things you want to do as an offensive lineman so he really makes life difficult and unless you've played him unless you kind of understand you know how to block him i think you have to do that in real time yeah and obviously that's a pretty difficult task you always see the offensive lineman doing that sad little turn after their hands get hit to the side and he's by you and you know that he's by you they do the sad turn where they like take one step like they're going to try to catch him and block him again but he's like halfway to the quarterback and they just have to I guess run a couple steps so they can help their guy up after he gets sacked well usually guys get beat so bad they get so discouraged that you don't even like think to go get the quarterback you're just like oh man and you drop your head and uh there's some times where guys criticize uh offensive lineman for not picking up the quarterback it's like you are so disheartened that it happened yeah you don't even like remember to go get the quarterback uh you just know like that inner shame is so strong that you almost forget to go get him so yeah it's uh it is a sad little thing obviously whenever one of us gets beat they like to you know draw the circles and make sure everyone knows exactly who you are and how you got beat uh so it's not so much fun the other sad thing is when they call uh illegal man downfield on an rpo and like what are you what are you supposed to do as an offensive lineman in that situation is that your fault fault? Like, do the coaches end up chewing you out because you've got the flag

afterwards?

It depends on the timing.

I know you love good questions.

That's a good question.

It depends on how good your coaches are.

It depends on how locked in you are as a lineman,

but you know,

if it's an RPO and you have to change your angles and you have to change

your timing to not be downfield,

you know,

if the quarterback is getting rid of it within the kind of acceptable

window of RPO, you're reading somebody. Okay.
The retails me to throw it, I'm going to pull it and throw it, the offensive lineman should not be downfield. If the offensive lineman runs up to the linebacker immediately, or if, you know, he's using his correct technique, staying at the line, and then goes past the line of scrimmage and still gets the flag, then you know it's probably on the quarterback.
So, yeah, it can be the offense lineman's fault for sure. There's also times where you realize that you're a little bit too downfield.
You realize it's not a run play and you try to kind of turn around and backtrack. Sometimes you do the old dump truck technique.
You just start backing up. Sometimes you turn and kind of try to get a couple steps in and get closer to the line.
So there are some tricks as well if you do realize realize your downfield, I feel like people have gotten smarter about offensive line play, uh, through the years. And especially to the point where I think it's, it's now common knowledge amongst football fans that sacks are not always on the offensive line.
You know, there's, there, there's times when the quarterback is holding onto the ball too long, or he steps to a place where he shouldn't step to, and he's stepping up and there's a pocket there when you were playing would would quarterbacks ever say to you like hey that was my bad like that wasn't on you even though technically if they replay it it's like you got you know you got beat to a position but the quarterback had a spot where he could have gone he just didn't go there yeah absolutely it's usually not necessarily during the game uh you know you're just kind of in the flow of the game and it's not like he's like ah you suck you know you need to give me more protection it's not you don't play for that guy either you know it just sacks happen and you move on you try to make the best of it but uh you know after games or you know the next day while you're watching film quarterbacks definitely uh will come up to you and say hey you know kind of screwed you guys there it's typically not holding to the ball per se. I think that's more of an understood thing.
You know, at times they'll come in and say, hey, I'm going to get rid of it a little sooner. You know, you guys are doing a good job, but it's more kind of that depth of the pocket or where he's supposed to be.
You know, sometimes guys can get a little too deep. Sometimes they like to bounce around too much when they feel things.
It's a good notice from you, you know, Chicago fan and the quarterback situation. Yes.
I'm sure you've got your spreadsheet of how many of those sacks are on the O-line versus the quarterback. Yeah, people have pointed that out.
Was it hard to adjust to blocking for Mahomes? Because he does float sometimes, but he does it so effectively. And when Mahomes is floating, it never feels like he's floating in a panic move or like he's not in control.
It's just he kind of has that spatial awareness that only the elite guys seem to have. No, he makes it easy for us.
I think that blocking for a guy, especially as the right tackle with a right-handed quarterback that can flush to your side. You know, if my guy goes too far up the field, kind of runs that loop too that opens up pat's throwing side um you know we've seen defensive coordinators now try to use that to their advantage and then you have the spy you know popping over the top probably see that a little bit with you know milano or terrell bernard one of those guys chasing him down um but it's to my advantage because in that defensive end doesn't feel like he gets to rush the way he wants to he has to have that contained in the back of his head you know i think it was we were playing denver and uh my guy didn't allow pat to stay in the pocket uh pack out outside and i just heard the coach scream me at him you gotta keep contained i'm like okay so this definitely does benefit me yeah um but there are some interesting stats you know you can if you really want to get into the negrity you can look at you know quarter, look at offensive tackles and look at how often guys see inside moves.
You know, some of those sites now that break things down, you'll see against mobile quarterbacks, offensive tackles are likely not getting as many inside moves because again, if the offensive tackle blocks it correctly, they flatten it off. You've now opened up the outside area to where the quarterback can scramble, where he can make plays happen on the move.
So yeah, it's always beneficial to block for quarterback that's running, in my mind. It's not beneficial when they take a long time in the pocket to realize that they should break container, that they should run.
That's definitely the hard part. Yeah, for this specific game, how are you feeling about the Chiefs' offensive line? Because they haven't had the best season.
There's been some ups and downs. You know, they moved Tooney out to tackle, which he's done a good job there.
You could make the argument it's probably hurt their run game a little bit, but maybe protects Pat more. But how do you feel overall in terms of how they're coming together? Because we've seen it.
I mean, the only time Patrick Mahomes has really had, you know, a horrific, well, I guess the Bengals game and the AFC Championship game, but the Super Bowl against the Bucs when he was just under fire the whole time. No one can win in that situation.
But how are you feeling about this particular matchup against the Bills? It's going to be tough. I mean, the Bills' run defense-wise played so well in the first half against Baltimore.
I think we all expected Baltimore to run the ball and be effective, but the Bills' run defense showed up. You know, Vaughn Miller seems to be, talked about Kelsey earlier, turning on the playoffs.
Vaughn's turning it on. Ed Oliver's turning it on.
You know, Rousseau's been an ascending player for a while. So they've got all the pieces there.
You know, I think maybe a benefit to Kansas City's O-line, I felt like they didn't play their best game against the Texans, in large part because the Texans are so good. But, you know, when you're kind of watching the film back and you're looking at certain things, it wasn't maybe the performance from the start that the offensive line wanted.
I thought they had played well in that, you know, three game and 10 or 11 day stretch regressed a little bit against Houston. So that feeling of, hey, we need to do better.
We need to show our guy that we're in control and we can kick ass and do what we need to do to make him feel better. That makes me a little bit optimistic.
I think that's going to be, honestly, the key determining factor to the game.

You know, on the other side of the ball, the Bills offense line, I think, has played fantastic

all year.

I think that's really the under-talked-about part of, you know, we see all the chatter

now with Buffalo.

People say we don't have weapons, and it's like, well, your offensive line is probably,

aside from Josh Allen, your best offensive weapon for the course of the season.

You watch him, and he sits back there. The pockets are beautiful.
He's got all day. He's able to do what he wants.
I think, you know, they don't necessarily get the individual accolades. You know, Dawkins gets some.
Spencer Brown got a big contract and has ascended as a player. But by and large, they don't get the accolades on an individual level that Kansas City's O-line does.
But I think, you know, for the whole and especially from a pass game perspective, game perspective, they've done a really great job throughout the course of the year. Yeah, they're able to run the ball really effectively against Baltimore too.
Your rushing defense might be a different story. Spag Doolittle, he always seems to have something planned.
He's always thinking a couple steps ahead. I heard somebody talk about this a couple months ago, and it made me wonder that Spag should be a Hall of famer as a coordinator i don't think there are any coordinators in the hall of fame are there no offensive coordinators no defensive coordinators like obviously guys have gone on to be head coaches later but i feel like if spag if you get if you get three in a row and this defense plays well again i think spag should probably be considered for the hall of fame at that point i agree i mean he mean, he's won, I think it's either four or five Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator.
He kind of, you know, shepherded in that new era of the four defensive ends in a rush package. You know, I think he inherited that from, you know, kind of the 06, 07 Giants and then kind of made it his own, that NASCAR package back in the day.
And that kind of changed football. You know, how you got after quarterbacks, being able to put smaller guys in the, you know, B gaps and run some funky things on third downs.
And that evolution of what he's become, I mean, he went to St. Louis didn't have success.
Not many people did have success there. You know, I don't know how much you pin on him, how much you want to pin on just the general tenor there.
But yeah, I mean, what he's been able to do for Kansas City, you know, Bob Sutton had a lot of success as a defensive coordinator. Things got a little stale, you know, got rid of him, brought in spags.
And that's really been a key point of the Kansas City run. And lucky enough that, you know, he's older and he did fail in his first spot, that he hasn't gotten poached away.
You know, most guys with his little success will have gotten a head coaching job at this point, you know, when you look at the body of work the last five years. So definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame.
If you're looking at best coordinators, I don't know how you can have a list without him pretty high on the defensive side. Yeah.
And on the other side, tell me about what a great job Matt Nagy has done this year. Yeah, it's been, I mean, the whole Chiefs offense, I think, has been interesting.
Okay okay so here's my thoughts on the chiefs offense hollywood brown was going to play a massive role you know he was killing an ota as the guys were really excited about him he essentially was the closest thing to tyreek since tyreek in terms of the burst the long speed the route running kind of being able to run the offense through him um rashie had the role as kind of of that slot guy, the inside guy, intermediate, and obviously Kelsey's Kelsey. Hollywood goes down, and I think that just completely threw off what the offense was looking like.
Now Rasheed comes out, has like 30 catches in the first three weeks. He gets hurt.
He's out for the year. Now you're out both of your receivers.
And I think that honestly threw off what the Chiefs offense was going to be. Xavier Worthy gets drafted in the first round.
You're thinking he's going to be the third option at best. But now he's the number one receiver because your top two guys are down.
And he's learning on the go. Obviously, you know, Travis is being Travis.
And as we talked about earlier, maybe not playoff Travis throughout the course of the season. And so they finally kind of found that groove in weeks 10, 11, 12, figuring out exactly what the roles were going to be.llywood comes back trade for deandre hopkins you know bringing mccall he's hurt now um so i do think the offense has had to adapt on the fly and as people want to talk about other offenses and you know lamar from this past week well he's without wide receiver one and he's without this and without that it's like well the chiefs have been in without wide receiver one pretty much all year whether you want to define that as holly or Rasheed, people don't want to necessarily speak about that.
They're on the fourth left tackle. Like, they've had all these different injuries as well.
So I think that the offense has had to change. I do think they have done a pretty good job of figuring that out.
I think the Texans defense is just pretty good. And so it's not what we're used to seeing from 2019, 2020, where it just bombs away and scoring 30-plus points every game.
But I do think the offense understands what they want to be now, and they can lean into that identity. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you could see it too with even Xavier Worthy. They started getting his targets up towards the end of the season, and it was clear that they started to trust him more.
Because I would imagine, just from a guy like Patrick Mahomes,'t just immediately say, like, oh, we drafted this guy high. I'm going to throw it to him, you know, 10 times a game.
You have to find that, you know, second nature where you can trust that they're going to make the play. You can trust you can throw them the ball.
It feels like they finally are there. Is that right? Yeah, for sure.
There's the way, again again the quarterback is supposed to kind of play the game on paper and then there's the way pat plays the game which is similar to the way we talked about travis earlier like just feeling space understanding that not everything that you're supposed to do on the sheet is the thing that is expected of you you know there's a lot of adjustments and this is what's made passing offenses come down a little bit it's what's made uh things so difficult from the offensive side is defenses are so much more complex you know we see all the cool clips of safety spinning around and this invert too that everyone likes to talk about and sound smart and um all these different things that defenses are doing realizing hey we can still play the cards that we want and confuse the offense well if you're a receiver and you're you know a rookie and you're trying to figure out is it cover two is it cover three is it cloud coverage what's my adjustment off that you know is the quarterback expecting me at a different level that's a lot to think about while you're trying to go full speed on third and 12. So there definitely is a learning curve in terms of what's expected of you for the offense and then also you know kind of how Pat sees things and how he plays it.
Coach Reed talked about that last year with Rasheed kind of learning Pat being Mahomes friendly. He's talked about a little bit this year with Xavier, and you can definitely see a huge difference.
And to your point, he's being asked to do so much now. He is really a full complement receiver who just happens to be smaller and really fast, but he's not being used as a gadget guy.
He's being used in all facets of the offense, and I think that is one of the things they realized once he was thrust into that role once he uh grew from weeks one to ten but hey we can trust him and we can put him in these spots and let him be a true receiver he doesn't have to just be speed or jet sweep yeah yeah it's been really interesting to watch them develop they just overcome everything that's the thing about the chiefs is like as long as they have patrick mahomes andy reed travis kelsey it feels like they'll figure the rest out and it it's going to be a different solution every single year, but they'll end up getting there. And from the weather perspective, it's not going to be like it was last year where you had the Dolphins coming into town and it was like 6 degrees.
It's going to be like 34, maybe down into the upper 20s by the end of the game. Offensive linemen, sleeves or no sleeves? So you're not supposed to wear sleeves.
You know, we've gotten loose and, you know, soft as an offensive line community and allowed guys to start wearing sleeves over the years. If you are super cold, the thing you can do is put on elbow sleeves.
You know, those things are nice and thick and insulated. I always wore an elbow brace on my inside arm.
And if it was super cold, I would just like throw a sleeve or a brace on the other arm. And it looks O-line sweet.
Like, yeah, my elbows suck and I get to wear these things. But it actually keeps you pretty warm.
So that's the kind of workaround if you want to, you know, look, you know, quote unquote, old school O-line tough, but still want to get a little bit of extra warmth in there. I like that.
That's a great trick. I would say the colder it gets, the less you should wear sleeves.
I would actually be okay with the Lyman wearing sleeves if it was like 30 to 45 degrees outside. You wear sleeves then, yeah, who cares? But if it's like 20 degrees, no, sleeves off.
Yeah. Got to show those guns.
Yeah. I mean, I think it was Strahan that was like, I'd rather just feel good and play good and get sacks instead of like being miserable out there and being cold and not producing.
So there's, I mean, again, we've kind of gotten away with some old school toughness stuff that's just stupid. Like you want your guys to be comfortable and play well.
That's really the most important thing at the end of the day. But from like a psycho crazy perspective, yeah, I think we still respect the guys who are out there sleeveless.
I mean, there's not too manyveless guys anymore i think nolan smith on philly is one of the few um but anytime you see a defensive end who's not wearing gloves you just you assume he's a psycho yeah there's no there's no valid reason to do it i think jared verse maybe doesn't wear gloves either no surprise what he's gonna win you know defensive rookie of the year um vitae every time i see vitae i'm like how is he what like in the bottom of every pile, and he's just got no gloves. Trey Hendrickson.
Yeah, it's nuts. It's so intimidating.
Mitch, your Twitter account, I love following you on Twitter because I do think that you put out really good nuanced takes from someone who played in the NFL for as long as you did. Everyone should go follow him at MitchSchwartz71.
I have a two-part question for your Twitter account. First is, how awesome does it feel when someone who just watches film tries to correct you on how to play football and how to play offensive line? Because I've seen that happen a couple times where someone will literally be arguing with you or your brother, Jeff, who's also Twitter and it will just be like you guys are arguing with people who actually played in the NFL and know what they're talking about and it's someone who's sitting in like watching film and just guessing what's happening I will say if you're at least watching the film I'll respect the fact that you're trying to do this correctly yeah you know 99% of what I get is people who are not watching film, or who just watch, you know, the game on TV and think they know what's happening.
So that 1% of people who are watching the film, I respect that you're trying to do it. I get really frustrated when people have a following and people are looked up to because they study football and they watch film and they put out analysis.
And then they're putting out bad analysis. You can't necessarily be a Twitter corrector.
You just are the jackass who corrects everybody on Twitter and you look terrible. But it does frustrate me when people with followings put out bad info.
So like you said, for the most part, I try to do things in a respectful way and nuanced. And I try to have the conversations and try to teach because I do want people to understand better but it is frustrating when people don't take your experience into account like I at no point say I'm always correct about things I'm willing to kind of talk through everything but at some point you have to at least account for the fact that I did it yeah and that maybe I know a little nugget or two or maybe this is the thing with I don't think you know players are the only ones that should be analysts.
I don't think you had to have played to have this certain like high level understanding, but I do think it shortens the time to see something and to understand what's going on. I can watch something and have a really good gut feeling about either what happened, what the guy was intending to do, maybe what the protection was supposed to be, that maybe other people who weren't in my shoes and didn't live that life would have to take a few more watchings to kind of figure out exactly what was supposed to go on yeah so i do think that's where it's advantageous to have play because you can just look at stuff and you're so used to seeing it they're like oh yeah i know that's supposed to happen the right tackle had a sift here and he was indecisive because he saw this like that gut feeling is what's really helpful having played the game that's and it does have to feel awesome you you took the uh the the nice approach but i would be like if i had that type of expertise dunking on someone would feel so good the other thing was you you tweeted about this i think it was either yesterday or the day before and i found it fascinating because we're dumb fans and there's a lot of lions fans who uh this podcast specifically has been putting them through hell because BFT's commanders beat them.
The Bears got Ben Johnson. Memes Jets got Aaron Glenn.
We've raided the Lions, so I do feel bad for them in that respect. But you pointed out that anyone who's blaming Ben Johnson for not being focused on the playoff game because he was doing interviews doesn doesn't realize that these guys are not like – it's not like an all-nighter for seven days straight trying to get a game plan.
They have a game plan. They have their convictions.
There's time when they're not working on the game plan because if they did, they would just be getting way too nuanced and probably like analysis by paralysis. So that's the reality of it.
Is it not? It is. I think the best example for that, and he had admitted it after the fact is Sean McVay, that Superbowl against the Patriots where he had two weeks and he just drove himself crazy and he did too much and he tried to change too many things and he's a grinder by nature.
That's why he burns out. Uh, and you can't, you know, watch 20 hours of film for 14 days straight.
You're going to overthink things. The way the football week works, you know, we get, for the most part, Monday, Tuesday off.
You're in for one of those days. You're watching the film.
You get a lift in, and that's about it. Our work week technically starts Wednesday.
Well, Wednesday when we show up and we get the base game plan, the coaches did all the work Monday and Tuesday. Those are their long days.
Those are the awful days where they're staying at the office all night or they're sleeping there for a couple hours. That's their Super Bowl of the week.
And so we get our install Wednesday. We go through practice.
We get install for certain situations Thursday, practice. Install for red zone on Friday, we practice.
And at that point, the game plan is pretty much put together. You're still going to tinker with things.
If you're a first 15 guy guy as the offensive coordinator or head coach. You're going to try to figure out exactly what that combination of plays looks like.
But for the most part, all the preparation is done because from the player perspective, after Friday's practice, you're not putting in anything new. You might be adjusting things.
You might be fine-tuning some stuff that didn't look quite right on Friday. But Saturday morning, you're watching Friday's film.
You're not getting a new install And you're doing a walkthrough of all the plays you've already done that you want to hit again, you want to see again. So that game plan is pretty much shut by about 3pm on Friday.
Right. So yeah, coaches, they'll go on date night, they'll get to see their wife for the first time all week, right? You know, they'll they'll go to their kids high school football game, they'll do all these other things, you can't just be locked in and doing it all the time.
And in that tweet specifically, I said, you know, some coaches, they'll start watching film for the next week, Saturday, you know, once it gets later in the day and they got nothing else to do. Sunday, if it's a night game, you're just sitting there all day.
You don't have to stare at your hundred play call sheet all day for 12 hours. There's nothing that's going to change.
It's already printed. It's laminated.
So you can turn the page and get a look. That doesn't mean that they're not going to coach as hard that Sunday night so yeah it's uh people don't necessarily understand how the work week goes right and if you're going to blame Ben Johnson for that like I said blame Kellen Moore blame Spags for having interviews blame Aaron Glenn for having interviews blame everybody else for having interviews but it's only a guy that lost when his side still did pretty good stuff uh that's getting the the heat, and that I just don't understand.
And also it was a bye week. They had a bye week, which gets – that's 14 days where they had nothing.
I think it's going to be good for the rivalry. I think it's going to be great for Chicago versus Detroit.
You're going to get some of that. And then I think a fair thing to say if you're a Lions fan would be like, well, yeah, you're also taking three of our coaches with you.
so I think it's Antoine Randall L their O-line coach and there's somebody else but no the O-line coach is not coming to Chicago oh he's not no it's not Farley Fraley I think is he's interviewing with Seahawks but I don't think he's okay there's a report that he's probably not going to all right so Johnson actually was like I don't want to raid their whole staff okay yeah so you're bringing a couple guys so then the fan and you starts thinking oh were you having these conversations all week like looking at zillow together and circling neighborhoods and being like oh is this where we're going so you create like a whole fan fiction in your head yeah but again i think that this is good for the rivalry in the nfc north i think that's awesome that there's going to be genuine animosity between those fan bases oh for sure and then he just kind of throws that jab at matt LaFleur. And I don't really understand where that came from.

Because I don't think they're like friends that work together.

No, they're not.

I thought they were friends.

I thought that was like, can't wait to take on Matt.

You know, Matt's up twice this year.

No, I don't think they've ever worked together.

No, no.

I mean, no one can focus on one thing all the time for like an entire work week.

Like your mind has to wander at times.

You're allowed to do other things in your life.

Like no one has questioned his preparation until this specific week. he's been the genius of the nfl the last three years who turned jared goff into a top quarterback who weaponizes his right tackle into this this weapon that you know everyone loves uh dan skipper the sixth alignment all the fun stuff they do the trick plays galore and all of a sudden one single game in which his team underperforms and now he's not committed it's just it's dumb like when you say it out loud it's dumb so we're just not going to

give that any more credence yeah yeah well thank you for joining us we appreciate it mitch you're

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How's the golf game?

Because I know you built – this is kind of weird that I –

well, no, you put it on Instagram, so that's not weird.

I follow you on Instagram.

You built a simulator in your house, which rocks.

How is the golf game going?

Golf game's good.

It's been pretty frozen out here in Kansas City, so luckily i do have the simulator i've been getting some lessons uh i got burnt out on it uh as you know with with kids and stuff it's it's hard to do everything that uh you used to do the same and you know between having a baby and working on golf i was just kind of burnt out on the golf stuff so back around the last couple months been working on it hopefully it you know gets sunny it gets warm i get to start playing outside and uh it's it's kind of my outlet i mean as an offensive lineman you tend to just kind of hate yourself and feel bad at all times so golf you're never going to feel like you played well uh so it's kind of the perfect outlet for an offensive lineman to hit balls feel like you suck uh watch film try to get better and go out there and just be miserable i love that i felt too good recently i would like to feel shitty so i can know what i can improve on i love mindset yeah is it is it also like this is a stupid question but how sick is it like living in a city that you won a super bowl it is pretty cool um you know my my super bowl has since been surpassed by a couple super bowls and uh you know there are some much more famous and important guys for the city. But it is cool.
I mean, it keeps you grounded. That's why we love Kansas City.
Like, the people are great. You know, you still get noticed every now and again, but everyone's respectful and just like, hey, you know, thanks for what you do, blah, blah, blah.
I love following you on social media, all that stuff. So it's pretty cool.
You know, strokes the ego every now and again when you need it. And then I go downstairs, hit balls, and start hitting myself again.

Yeah.

So it's a smart move.

That's what I – if you win a Super Bowl, just stay there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

100%. So when you went from Cleveland to Kansas City,

were you a free agent at the time?

I was, yeah.

Was there a moment where it was between, like, Kansas City

and some other team, and you look back on them,

and you're like, thank God I chose the Chiefs?

Yeah, it was between Kansas City and Tennessee or the last two that were in it definitely worked out to choose Kansas City I mean the Cleveland thing we don't have to go back to that I mean I'd wanted to stay in Cleveland my wife's from Cleveland I met her there Joe Thomas Hall of Famer Alex Mack John Greco Joel Batonio we had a great offensive line I loved you know doing that every day I wanted to stay. They were in the shed assets, get draft picks, suck and tank phase, so they weren't resigning anybody.
It turned out to be the best thing for me. I don't really look back on that too much.
I just appreciate the fact that I was able to come to Kansas City. I didn't realize how important the Super Bowl was.
To your point, if you're the Rams, you know, the Chargers, is it going to be as important to win a Super Bowl in that city and live there? Probably not. You know, living in a sports crazed city, the one that's so passionate about the team, I think is more important.
You form a better bond to the city than some other places. So I think it just happened to be that perfect kind of mixture of finally getting our homegrown.
could be 50 years since the last super bowl you know the city loves football um so i just got really lucky and you know i feel really good about that yeah choice pretty cool to be like i blocked for patrick for homes yeah that will be something that you could say probably 50 years from now and people like holy shit that's awesome you kept him healthy yeah you were there yeah yeah yeah That's – I responsibly am the one to keep him healthy. You know, since I've gone and done other things, he seems to have a lot of those ankle injuries.
Yeah, it's true. So I'm going to take credit for that.
Yeah, bust. Actually a bust since you left.
All right, well, Mitch, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it.
Always fun having you on. Everyone do go follow him because you just make us smarter as football fans.
So we appreciate that. Thank you.
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Hank? Yeah. You got a Fire Fest? Yeah, I don't have a mic.
Your mic's not on, but you got a Fire Fest. Classic memes, take it away your First Amendment.
Well, that's because Hank, one of my fire fests was Hank.

We had two.

This is one of the biggest weeks should be one of the biggest weeks in numbers for for part of my take.

Monday's show had to be taken down because Hank was breathing too heavy in the mic.

Wednesday's show was taken down because someone had a G.U.N. on the show.

Hopefully this doesn't get age restricted again.

But yes, which I mean, if we're going to have one taken down, having it be Stavi with a

revolver, I think is a pretty good reason.

Yeah, I'm willing to restricted again. But yes.
Which, I mean, if we're going to have one taken down, having it be Stavi with a revolver, I think is a pretty good reason. Yeah.
I'm willing to make that short-term sacrifice. Yeah, that got age restricted.
So that was why you had to log in to watch us on Wednesday's show. But it wasn't Hank's.
Hank was just existing. He was just existing.
You're just breathing like you normally breathe. Does he have a mic now? What? Why are you looking at me like this? I'm wondering if they're going to let me fall on the sword or not.

Are you going to turn on Hank's mic?

I didn't show the gun. He knows I didn't

show the gun. You can't say the G word.

What? He's talking about Mondays.

I feel like Hank's still not on.

He's very low. He's very low.

Can't get your tongue?

Memes is trying to silence Hank.

That's what they're doing. You can't exist.

Hank, for the first time ever, I agree with you. They're trying to stop you from existing.
I got your back. No, but when Hank's looking at them, he's waiting for them to apologize for not taking Hank's breathing out.
So now we have a stare down going on between Hank and the booth. The podcast, whatever.
I took the breathing out. Okay.
Hank? Of the podcast. I mean, I can't.
His His mic's not on Why is his mic's not on There's a This fucking thing sucks It breaks every time we Keep all this in I've talked to I've talked to Pete about it And then he just starts saying A bunch of words Pete's too busy getting on More dogs He starts saying a bunch of words that I don't understand what they fucking mean.

Yeah.

We're not the smartest people.

Oh, there it is.

I feel like I just heard Hank.

Pete's over here using three syllable words.

Memes also just not talking into a mic either.

Memes just keeps saying, I got it, but he's not saying it into a mic.

This is some good stuff.

Number one sports podcast for a reason, folks.

I fixed it.

All right, there it is. I fixed it.
All right, Hank. Yeah.
A lot just happened. Care to address? No, I mean, the breathing thing, like I was a little sick, so I was breathing loud.
But also, like, if I'm talking for 5% of the episode, I don't think you need to have my mic on the whole time. That's neither here nor there.
It's a fair point. Max cut it out of the podcast.
Didn't get cut out of the video. Max probably could have told the person Who edits the video To cut it out of the video Like he did But that's fine Hank's not allowed to breathe That was so Now Max would normally be very happy If you weren't breathing Is it Max's fault Or Pug's fault Or is it your fault Because you're technically In charge of all of them Well yeah That's where it's like It all falls on me No it all falls on me but you just said the podcast was fine and said nothing about the like you didn't take anything i i know i know hank we've already had this conversation pugs do how many times we're gonna have this conversation pugs do have very labored breathing processes yeah that's true a little snout nose uh but yeah that was that was a tough wake up Monday morning.

Also crazy that it was like there was really loud breathing and it wasn't me or Max.

Like, that's huge.

Huge for us. Yeah, huge.

Because that's like whenever there's a fart on the podcast, like, you know, Big Cat or Max.

That was a big win for us.

Hank was the one who was breathing with his mouth way too hard.

No, my nose was stuffy.

So when it sounded, it was the one who's breathing with his mouth way too hard. No, I just my nose was stuffy.
So when it like it sounded it was it was a vocal vocal breathe. Okay.
My fire fest, which I've gotten over in the past 24 hours. But in hindsight, it was just 2020.
I should have vetoed the nine darter. Yeah, I didn't.
And now I'm going to deal with the consequences of my own action and I feel bad for the booth because they're also going to have to deal with it because I'm just going to be living at this office forever I think so I've seen you tweeting about it a lot and I also have people like you're bitching bitching bitching I darts, I'm in trouble. And that was it.
Yeah. No, you haven't been bitching.
I have something to say. We as a community here, we got to stop freaking out when one person says that we're bitching about something.
And we just got to do it. Who are you freaking out about? Is that not how us or our fans? know.
Well, people bitch, and then everyone freaks out about it. Let people bitch.
People are going to bitch about everything. Yes, it doesn't matter.
People are going to bitch. Hank, I do remember it is funny that it all goes back to the dunk because you should have just taken marathon, but you didn't.
It wasn't an option to take. That's the other thing.
i had a veto but that doesn't mean i would have gotten marathon okay that was the one reason you said you didn't use yeah yeah i know it does all go back to the so wait didn't didn't you suggest putting the nine darter in there no that was fucking we said so much we said so much shit i like how me and piquette knew exactly who he was talking Tomas over there. He wasn't talking about memes.
Tomas. We're not even talking about the Eagles, and we're fired up.
It's been a long week. Birds.
Listen. All right.
Birds. Let's just reset.
Hank, you've done some work in the last 24 hours. You're going to be here for a long time, but you've also, it sounds like, made peace with the fact that you're just going to have to do it yeah so my i feel and it's it's eventually you're going to be close enough that you'll just be able to put it in yeah and i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna go through it all i just am concerned that at a certain point my arm is going to get like to a point where i can't throw and then i don't know what i'm going to do on stream.
Right. And then people are going to be like, throw darts, but I'm going to be like, you know.
Have you thought about getting a blowgun and shooting darts? Oh, good idea. No, that's a good idea, though.
Yeah, that's a really good idea. You've got to get a blowgun.
That's a good idea. Yeah, I mean, it's going to suck.
I didn't like that professional darter who quote treated you and was like, I've been playing darts my whole life and I've only done this twice. That felt...
You didn't need to say that, dude. He was definitely talking about a full nine darter.
Yeah, I know, but still. Well, no, that's where it's 180s also extremely.
I've gotten a lot of people that are like, I play darts every week. I've played darts every week for 20 years.
I've gotten 180 like twice. Yeah yeah and these are people that are you know significantly better darts blow dart is a really good idea blow gun maybe does is there like a dart gun yeah like the blow dart gun is one thing but like a nerf style trigger or would that get taken down from youtube i don't know not if stavi is not holding it uh when Stavi holds a gun, you think it's going to be used.
Yeah. I think you need to figure out a blow dart.
Okay. Because that would be a good...
Because that would be still very difficult. And it adds probably a couple feet closer.
And we know that you've got some really good lungs with breathing through your mouth. Monday show.
You got this. The marathon, though, that's just because you thought you were going to dunk, and then you didn't dunk.
It's funny to also think that the marathon would have been the much easier choice. It would have.
Because he could have lightly jogged it, walked a little bit. It would have taken like seven hours at worst.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, that was i'm dumb as fuck and this is just you know added to the long list of examples of me being an idiot it'll be good content though i'll stop by for a little yeah you'll have buddies yeah yeah oh michael van goren, Michael Van Goren. Oh, Michael Van Goren.
Yeah. Get that going.
But yeah. We'll be live until the games start on Sunday.
And then back again Monday. If I'm not done.
Okay. And I will be staying at the office.
PFT. My Fire Fest of the Week happened last night.
I accidentally went live on the part of my take Twitch for about a half hour by mistake. Okay.
So I was trying to record myself flying from Washington, D.C., from Dulles Airport in Northern Virginia up to Philadelphia to do a flyby for the Eagles-Commanders game at Lincoln Financial Field. I downloaded Microsoft Flight Simulator.
I hopped in my F-18. I buzzed the tower of the Commander's facility, flew all the way up, which is, by the way, a pretty boring game to play.
I think you get up to altitude, and then you just kind of cruise there for a while. So I was just trying to do a flyby.
As opposed to other flight simulators? Yeah, combat simulators. When he's dogfighting.
combat simulators dog fighting when you're dog fighting that's when it rocks but this is just you fly up in the air and the object is to not inflict violence on people so uh so i'm flying up to philadelphia i think i'm recording it on obs on my computer which is the program that we use to stream on twitch and instead of clicking the button that says start recording i accidentally clicked the button that says start streaming ah and i had no sound no volume for real so i was in turn kind of fucking with the chat because they were all like no sound no sound but i didn't know i was streaming i i do this for about 25 minutes and then i quit because i crashed twice and then uh i go back to obs and i'm'm like, oh, shit. It says stop streaming, not stop recording.
So I click stop recording and I immediately call Hank. I'm like, hey, Hank, my bad.
Can you delete this from our Twitch account? But before Hank did that, I went back and I watched it. And I just saw all the comments coming in that were just like, no sound, but for real.
Like, honestly, no sound. So they didn't know if I was fucking with them or what was going on.
But, was just complete mistake that i made by clicking that button which is right next to the start recording button um but i think it's pretty elect it was a pretty electric stream i did an inverted flyby through lincoln financial field like about 20 feet above the uh the bleachers and but you crashed i crashed not not into lincoln financial field which credit to me i thought i was just playing on my own i could have just steered that motherfucker right into the stands and then i would have been caught in 4k but no i i crashed like maybe two seconds after i got right past lincoln financial so in the lot yeah yeah i cried well how many eagles fans did you kill uh it was people that live within a quarter mile of the stadium. So I think probably seven or eight.
Probably my brother. Yeah, I killed Max's brother on stream last night.
But yeah, I just didn't know what was going on when I was like, oh shit, have I been streaming this entire time? So my bad if you tuned into the part of my take Twitch last night and get a push notification. Scary phone call to get because you don't know when you're like, I was accidentally on the part where i take twitch it's like oh streaming what yeah i'm shannon sharp except when shannon sharps then goes off he's not doing a flight simulator at 9 p.m on a weekday night your life is cool too yeah it is but it was fun it was fun being able to to do like a super low altitude dude microsoft flight simulator They, not that fun of a game in terms of actually flying everywhere,

but they've got like a real 3D representation of the earth.

Yeah.

So they had everything.

You could see like the,

I could see Xfinity Live almost drove into that.

So Max, you know that even when I think no one's watching,

I'm not crashing planes into your stadium.

Yeah, you just didn't do a successful flyover. Oh, I successful flyovers then i crashed so two out of three yeah yeah yeah you think it's bad vibes i mean it's not a great omen probably not i think especially when you weren't trying to show people this you were trying to do this in secret yeah i was trying to be well yeah well and you would not have shown the crashes if you weren't streaming oh oh yeah i never crash on stream when I'm flying in the simulator.
Well, not over the, I was trying to be. Well, yeah.
And you would not have shown the crashes if you weren't streaming. Oh, yeah.
I never crash on stream when I'm flying in the simulator. Well, not over the, I mean, flyover.
Yeah. At least I didn't get shot down.
That's true. That would have been way worse.
Max's brother shot you down. Yeah.
All right. My Fire Fest is.
So I think I said this. That's why I miss the Commander's Lions game.
My wife was out of town. So I was, I was solo dadding for the majority of the weekend and then Monday as well.
And it's essentially like, um, the best way to describe it is, is being a backup quarterback and you get in for a drive or two and you're like, all right, I can do this. I can do this.
And then if you have to stay in for longer than that, everyone's like, Oh shit. Mike white might not be the guy, that kind of thing.
But, uh, I thought I did an did an okay job I missed giving Stella her medicine like maybe two days in a row then I doubled up so we're fine but uh I likened it to the office episode when Dwight gets fired and all the plants die so I did okay we we you know it was a lot of like I'd tell my oldest like hey I need your help need your help. A lot of pep talks, a lot of eating cereal for dinner, all that shit.
Then my wife did come home and it turns out I do have plants in my house and I didn't water any of them. I had no idea.
Yeah. I had, if you had asked me if I had plants, I would have been like, no fucking way.
That's a detail I've never paid attention to. They have these plants now that have these basins at the top that are like the thing that you leave for your cat.
Yeah. Go out of town where it like meters out.
You fill up the top base and then it just slowly releases. I need that.
Yeah. They're awesome.
Yeah. The plants never die.
So it was just, yeah, it was, I would say I, I, I probably didn't win the game, but I, I didn't look like I was, I don't know what quarterback, like I wasn't Tim Boyle. Yeah.
But if you were to pick one thing in your house to forget to give water to i think the plants are probably the one that you also forgot about the stella medicine so stella medicine but the water the water i also my i was over three on dressing my daughter every single time i dress her and she'd be like i don't like this and then she'd just go dress herself it's like all right that's fine yeah wear what you want to wear yeah yeah she was like i put her in i put her the one that hurt was i put her in a

badger shirt and she goes this isn't beautiful and then she went on a dress and i was like damn

it was bucky on it bucky was on it damn so didn't but we're back we're back yeah it's a it's a uh

i'm not a starter i'm a backup yeah but i'm a backup for those for those scripted plays

you look pretty good yeah right like for a couple drives i can do it for a night here night there but you know but when it's when it's an extended uh this was like me having to the starter went out for for three weeks of the season and I had to we didn't we didn't go 500 it is true because if it was like for one meal, then all the fans would be like, he should

get more minutes.

Yeah.

He made an incredible mac and cheese.

He might be the guy.

Did I make an incredible mac and cheese on the third day that we had mac and cheese?

Did you know when we had bagel bites for lunch and dinner?

Were people like, hey, can this guy only throw right?

Yeah, probably.

But we survived.

Okay.

Numbers. Three.
Eleven. Okay.
Numbers.

Three.

Eleven.

Nine.

What number do I want?

Five.

Here come the boys.

Here come the boys.

Boys are all going low today.

What numbers do I want?

I went three.

I'll go 31.

31?

Shout out Aaron Glenn.

Okay. Pug.
99 Pug. Pug, by by the way Can you hear me Pug Max threw you under the bus about the mouth breathing thing What the fuck What Max What did he say You threw me under the bus That's not not true.
I mean, Pug? Hank is just...

Hank!

Why was Hank thrown in there?

Hank is just what?

I'm Bird Gang.

See, that is bullshit.

All right, Pug, what's your number?

99.

Birds, Pug.

Pug.

Shane, Jack?

45. Give Jack the headphones now.
Jack texted me because I had to do a video this morning. He started the text, good morning, big cat.
That was weird, right? That's a weird start to a text. It was too formal.
We have a real problem with Jack on the text thread because it happened one time before and ever since then every single time he hits us up with a favor i think it's jack mccarthy yeah i do every time and i want i don't want i want to do your favors i don't want to do jack mccarthy's that's probably on my end i need to change your name to like jack good yeah the good one but nothing wrong with good morning on a text yeah no no i think That's too formal. I don't need a good morning.
The good one. Nothing wrong with good morning.

On a text?

No, no.

I think that's too formal.

I don't need a good morning.

It just started.

I won't send good morning.

All right, I appreciate it. Let's just get right to the chase, because I know you got a job to do.

I got a job to do.

It wasn't a good morning either.

I woke up at 5 in the morning.

I've been awake for fucking 10 hours.

Okay. What's your number Jack?

45 Shane?

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Eagles are actually

the smartest animal

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