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On today's part of my take, Ohio State wins the national championship. College football season is finally done.
We'll talk about that game. Marcus Freeman.
We might need to talk to him about numbers. We have some coach hiring.
Ben Johnson to the Bears. Aaron Glenn to the Jets.
Memes, has it happened? Maybe. We have...
No? Maybe. Okay.
Memes told me at 2 p.m. It was going to be official.
It is now 3 p.m. Okay.
So, hot seat, cool, thrown. We have our good friend Ryan Fitzpatrick on the show talking about the championship Sunday games.
And then we also have our good friend Stav, Stavi baby, talking about the Ravens. He's doing his duties, coming on the show after another heartbreaking loss.
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Today is Wednesday, January 22nd, and the Ohio State Buckeyes are national champions. The national champions.
Yeah, the national champions. And Ryan Day has saved face, and even though the scoreboard looked a little closer, they dominated most of that game, let Notre Dame back in.
But Ohio State has done it. $20 million roster, incredible team, one blemish on the record.
Otherwise, they kicked the shit out of everyone in the playoffs. Texas was a closer game.
Two blemishes, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, the Oregon game by one in Autzen.
And then they avenged it by a lot. By a ton.
That one doesn't really count as much. But, yeah, Ohio State was an awesome team, and they played awesome football down the stretch.
And the new 12-team playoff, we finally have our first national champion from it. So let's look at the rest of the top 25 that just came out.
Okay. Number two, Notre Dame.
Okay. Beat them.
Number three, Oregon. Whomped them.
Yep. Number four, Texas.
Beat slash whomped them. I don't count it as a whomp.
Whomp if you look at the final score. Beat if you watch the game.
If you watch the game, it was Texas had a chance to tie it with two minutes left. Yeah.
Penn State. Beat them.
Beat slash. Not whomp.
Beat them. They beat them by seven.
They beat a lot of really good teams. Yeah.
And they had a very tough path to go through this playoff you can't point to ohio state and say anything about asterix mickey mouse whatever they were the best team in this playoff yeah best team they got they do have that big expensive roster but to their credit most of those guys most of the money from the roster is going to guys that stayed around yeah so it's like hey come back to osu instead of trying to declare for the draft we'll pay you some money while you're here they did make a big addition at safety obviously but it's a yeah it's a team that's been there for a long time and credit to them that what a what a crazy season ohio state had yeah i mean if you if you had asked anyone at the end of november like is this team going to go on a run and do what they did in the playoff? Obviously, it was there somewhere deep down. But you also were like, they're on the ropes because what happened against Michigan was insane.
But, man, that four-game stretch that they went through there, they were so good. And they're just a really, really, really good football team.
Ryan Day proved the haters wrong in the fact that he can win a national title. Will Howard, happy for Will Howard because I know that I've not been the number one Will Howard rider.
I think he's a good quarterback. I didn't know if he was a great quarterback.
He was playing great. I mean, that play at the end where Ohio State, in the fourth quarter, I think we all watched it.
The first three quarters, you're like, Notre Dame shouldn't be on the field with Ohio State. Notre Dame gets a fumble, goes and scores.
They get back in the game. They're fighting, which they deserve a ton of credit for.
And then Ohio State has the ball up eight at the end of the game, and it looked like they were kind of turtling a little bit, running just Will Howard right into the line and hoping to punt and be okay. It was like, give the ball to Will howard don't even let him pitch the ball don't let him hand the ball off don't let him throw the ball don't even let him get tackled just give the ball snap the ball to will howard have him run to the right and fall down yeah and then they call up to play the 50 yard pass to jeremiah smith that was uh gutsy ballsy and chip kelly chip kelly was in his bag that that that first touchdown jeremiah Jeremiah Smith was one of the coolest plays where he had the whole side of the field completely wide open in a short yardage situation.
I think it was on like the 10-yard line. But yeah, that was a ballsy, gutsy call, and Ryan Day proved that he's not going to piss down his legs, and he's a national champion forever.
That call to Jeremiah Smith was the same call, kind of, as they did, I think, to Tony in the Super Bowl, where you move your guy in motion, have him fake like he's going to run a reverse or jet sweep or something like that, send him back out, and he's going to be a step ahead in a short yardage situation. Get him the ball.
It works all the time. Well, it's a great call, but it's also a testament to Jeremiah Smith and how insanely athletic he is, because if you watch that play and how he's able to stop on a dime no one else has that stop and start that he does so even if you play it perfectly and you're tracking him you're still going to lose on that play and then yeah he's he's an incredible talent and then when Notre Dame was tracking him across the field he goes in motion and there's two guys that are like oh fuck he's in motion I gotta start running as fast as I can.
And then, boom, left it wide open.

On that last series of the game for Ohio State,

when they're going down the field and they're doing the conservative shit with Will Howard,

just giving them the ball,

do you think that Chip Kelly decided to do that

to set up the deep shot?

He's like, make them think that we're getting conservative,

and then that's going to open it up.

No, I just assumed that deep shot was probably an option play for will howard where it was like hey get to the line if if jeremiah smith is one-on-one on the outside with no safety help that's where you should go if he is if they're playing something else they're playing zone or something else uh then probably just run it again into the line and we'll hope our defense can get a stop that's what i thought. Then I woke up this morning, and I thought to myself, did Chip Kelly just fake out all of America? Because we all bought into the narrative of Ohio State getting too conservative and just kind of pissing away the game at the very end.
He might have just fooled everybody and said, we're going to make you think that we're doing that, and then bomb it deep. The very first drive of the game for Notre Dame, did you think it was going to be a game after that? I thought it was a perfect start because it was a 10-minute touchdown drive.
I did not think that it was sustainable for Riley Leonard to carry the ball nine times on a 10-minute drive and get the absolute shit kicked out of him time and time again. But if you ask a Notre Dame fan, a Notre Dame fan, what's the perfect – obviously, maybe not Riley Leonard getting nine carries, but what's the perfect drive to start? It's 10 minutes, bully ball, completely erase the first quarter and score a touchdown.
They did. They erase the first quarter.
Yeah. But then Ohio State gets the ball and they score in, like, three minutes.
Right. And then you're like, what was all that work for? Yeah, right.
So, I mean, Ohio State was just a better team. And I thought, I said going into it, I was like, if Notre Dame can be plus two or three on the turnovers, they will have a shot.
I think they were plus one. So they needed a couple more of those.
They really couldn't. It was a bad fit for Notre Dame in the fact that they play man coverage a lot.
And that's what Ohio State just absolutely eats alive. And they were trying to switch to zone, and it's just like they didn't really feel like they had the answers to all the problems that Ohio State's offense was throwing at them.

And Ohio State's defense is elite.

I mean, Jeremiah Love was – what do you have, four carries?

Yeah.

Like he – I mean, he – they're just an elite, elite defense top to bottom.

They were never able to really run the ball.

Yeah, no.

Outside of that first drive where they went like all gas, no brakes, that doesn't mean that you can't steer right and they didn't they just were going to crash into everybody and then jeremiah love was just not part of the game at all yeah yeah so and and notre dame like i said notre dame deserves credit for fighting because i think we all were in the same boat like this sucks is a dud they did put a little bit now did he get hurt because he had four four rushes for three yards he might have gotten hurt I bet on him I was monitoring him very closely I don't know if he got hurt or not Riley Leonard had 17 rushes but uh I credit to Notre Dame for making it a game there uh at the end where it was like you had to at least be paying attention when they cut it to uh eight now or sorry they cut it to five and then and then they Ohio State kicked a field goal our guy Marcus Freeman who we like great coach incredible run I do think Notre Dame's future is very bright and they'll be back in this spot they've got you know a good quarterback coming in all these things I don't know what he was doing with that field goal kick. I was shocked.
So for people who didn't watch the game, I'm assuming everyone watched the game, Notre Dame was down 16 with nine minutes left on the nine-yard line, and he brought out the field goal unit, missed the field goal because they rushed him out, but trying to make a two-score game a two-score game. And there were some people who were like, oh, well, now Notre Dame can win with two touchdowns if they hit this field goal it still didn't make sense because you were saying you needed with nine minutes left you needed two full touchdown drives and two stops of Ohio State I would always take uh trying to get nine yards over that yeah and they're like well what about the two-? I still, like, you have to play, if you attempt that field goal, you have to play a perfect end of the game to have everything go your way to have a chance to even win that game.
I'm going to play devil's advocate for Notre Dame. It would be Jesus Christ advocate for Notre Dame.
Did you see the plays that they were calling and how effective they were earlier in that situation?

Yeah.

I still don't.

I'm playing justice advocate real quick.

They didn't even sniff the end zone.

They were getting overpowered.

It didn't look like they had a hope on fourth down of scoring a touchdown.

It would basically be throw the ball up, hope that somehow a miracle happens, you come down with it.

Although their two-point plays were really good, this was – it would have been a nine-yard touchdown.

But they didn't look like they were in rhythm at all to score a touchdown on that. So Marcus Freeman was probably just like, yeah, you know what, screw it.
Let's just take some points here. But then in that situation, you have to still go down the field twice and score a touchdown.
Right, and get two stops. I hated the field goal call.
I thought it was bad, but I thought that probably had something to do with it. If they were close on one of their previous plays,

if they looked like they ran a play that worked out anywhere you know near what they had practiced they probably would have been like yeah okay let's take a shot at the end zone but it was just it was a bad series yeah we got to talk math with them it's just two score game to a two score game i don't know you just you got a chance there uh i still would let rather to figure out play. And if you don't get it, okay, but at least you went out on your sword, bring out the field goal kicker, and rushing him out and having him miss the kick was just the worst possible scenario.
That was karma. And then I saw people posting the stats of whether or not you should go for it, what the plus minus was, and it was a toss-up.
But I'm pretty sure that on those toss-ups,

they don't take into account the two-point conversion, too.

Yeah.

Like, obviously, if you're down by 16,

then it's not the same as being down by 14 in that model.

It's a national championship.

It's a national championship.

Yeah, I think you've got to go for it. You've got to go for it.

You've got to be aggressive.

You've got to just go.

I mean, again, you just – and what ended up happening,

it was Ohio State ended up getting another field goal to make it a two score game again. But it's just like, I don't know.
You just got to go for it there. You got to.
I know it sucks. I know your offense had no real answers, but you got to go for it.
And I Ohio State. Yeah.
I mean, incredible season. Ryan Day.
Is he going to get a contract extension? I was going to ask you, do you think Ryan Day's job is safe? I would say it's safe. Yeah, probably.
But how do we think Ohio State fans, like, this is one of those things where you're national to champions. And it's awesome.
But it's still got to probably bother you that Michigan fans are like, but you couldn't beat us. That's the thing.
Like, I've listened to a lot of sports talk today. And every single time I've been hearing somebody talk about ohio state when they bring it up within two sentences the word michigan is used right and that's it's not an asterisk you guys won the national championship ohio state was the best team in college football i don't think that you can argue that they were the best they proved it through a tournament they beat all the other top ranked teams in the tournament crazy route that they took but people are always going to say michigan after they talk about this title and you have to just embrace that if you're ohio state and say yeah we we experienced the lowest low that you could possibly have for our team during a season and then we responded and we're better than everybody in the country and they might not win the national title if they don't lose to michigan like there's a world where that might have galvanized them and refocus them and they they did change you know how they ran the ball some of their play calling letting letting will howard you know throw it deep to jeremiah smithmore so there there is that world that like that was actually the thing that pushed them to win a national title they probably would want it anyway but it also hurts because the what

you know ryan day urban meyer and then woody hayes woody hayes the most famous probably in football lore of all the ohio state coaches has a famous quote you can't claim a national championship without winning the game the only meaningful statistic is the number of times you beat michigan that's probably because it had never happened before. Well, and also it was a different world where you literally would just claim national titles.
Yeah, it's ours. And you technically, like, you probably can't because if you have one loss, you can't claim a national title.
So what we're saying... It's a different world.
And Woody Hayes, he co-signs on this. Co-national champions.
Michigan and Ohio State. Michigan and Ohio State.
What this has really done is this is just the ultimate build-up to that game next year oh my god it's gonna be incredible i can't wait and that big 10 is kind of where football lies now two in a row and it's i mean i know there's the theory that now that the uh schools in the north can start paying everyone over the table it's it it makes it a little bit different than what was happening in the sec but if you're an sec fan you got to be like shit and it's very cool it's cool for sports just in general that michigan went out had a 15 and 0 season and then that game happened where michigan beats ohio state and ohio state like both of the premier programs in the big 10 just put their nuts on the table and went back-to-back titles. It is kind of crazy.

Yeah.

It's good for football. Great for football.
You know what's not good for football was having that game last night. Yeah.
That was bad. Yeah.
No, it should be. It should be.
January 10th should be the latest they play the national championship. We didn't feel like it was even college football season anymore at that point.
It was like, oh, yeah, the most important game of all is tonight. We forgot.
Yeah. You can't have it.
You can't have four NFL teams left and still not have a national title champion for college football. It just feels weird.
It feels off. Stupid.
It was cool seeing those two schools on the field, though, for a national title. Yeah.
And credit to Ohio State. They were an incredible, incredible team.
And at their best, they're up there. I think they could take take anyone but in Ryan Day I'm happy that he can still live without like having his house be TP'd and people calling and harassing him he's got a little bit back although there's probably gonna be some crazy Ohio State fans like that wasn't enough maybe just order pizza to his house if he loses to imagine if he does this again next year if he loses to michigan then wins another national title that's just his thing i saw people having the debate like how many losses in a row would you take to michigan for one national title what what's the math on that but that that's more interesting like how many national titles in a row would you want to win losing to michigan every year because if you're ohio state this year you're like fuck yeah i'll take that deal yeah deal.
We're the national champions. If it happens again next year, then you're like, okay, yeah, pretty cool, back to back.
But then if it's every, I think maybe by three, you're like, I would just like to beat Michigan. Yeah.
I brought this up after they lost to Michigan. And you guys both told me if you gave them that deal, they'd all say no.
I mean, what? To lose to Michigan every year? You said, fuck yeah, I'd take that deal. You lose to Michigan and win the national title.
After they lost to Michigan, I was like, if they win the national title, it does not matter. They're like, no, it doesn't matter because they lost to Michigan.
I think it's still their season. So I'm saying before the season, if you had given them that deal, they would have said no.
I think there's some Ohio State fans that would be like, we want to beat Michigan. I think after that Michigan game.
No, but before the season. Yeah.
You said you're going to lose to Michigan but win the national title. I think there's some Ohio State fans.
After they lost to Michigan, you guys both told me that they would have said, we will not take that deal. We have to beat Michigan.
Yeah. I'd also like to say.
What do you think it is now, though, now that they though now that they've actually won the title I think they gotta beat Michigan next year I think I was wrong right after to say that you would not take the deal I think that after the fact it felt so low for them but the way that it's played out and the way that they battled back from that I've changed my mind and I think that Ohio State fans are just as proud of this season as are of of a lot of their others where they do beat michigan i think i was wrong about that hand up but that doesn't mean that there isn't a shitload of ammunition for people out there to fire back whenever you talk about that that's gonna that's gonna be the story of this this championship for like the rest of your lives when you say yeah we won this game we won the national title there will be somebody that says yeah but you lost to michigan yeah yeah and i i think that rivalry matters to such an insane point to those fans that as awesome as the national title was and it's awesome there's just a small part of them like damn that michigan game really did suck and that that we know that like in the workings of the rivalry if you know Michigan fans if you work with Michigan fans you have friends of Michigan like they'll always just bring it up and they always kind of got that on you because that's just how college football now you could say that this is also probably what PFT was saying like probably an overreaction to that game it also is an overreaction to the the way the new 12 team playoff works because in in all years past in the hundred plus years of that rivalry if ohio state loses that game they don't have a chance to win a national title this was literally the first year where this possibly could happen that's what i was saying with woody hayes it's like he said that because it couldn't happen yeah Yeah, they chose. Yeah, you can't claim it.

So this is the new normal a little bit, which I'll hand up.

I've seen people argue this point when they argue against a 12-team playoff that some of the rivalries games can maybe have a little bit of a diminished meaning because of that.

That does suck a little bit.

That you can go and lose to your rival and then still go win a national title

like that that has never happened in college like i was thinking about the the kick six alabama would have probably won and won a national title so started that game would have meant nothing now the the loss to michigan truly the start of the championship dvd yeah yeah but it was it was a great football season college football season got to do it earlier though How good does that Indiana loss to Ohio State look now, huh?

Yeah.

Although they lost by a decent amount. Yeah.
Yeah. Signetti.
Signetti. Yeah, he only lost by 10 to Notre Dame.
Yeah, he kicks people's asses. Yeah.
Okay. Any other last college football thoughts? Penn State next year, Max? Penn State should be good next year.
No, I'm just saying Michigan, Ohio State. I was looking at the best part of when a college season ends, you got to look at the way too early top 25 for next year.
Penn State number three. Penn State number three.
Who's won? Ohio State? Ohio State. Number two? Texas.
Okay. Give us the top ten notre dame number four okay georgia number five yeah oregon six yeah clemson seven yeah lsu eight byu nine and south carolina 10 i think you could just according to espn yeah you could have pulled that out of your ass like at any point in the last four years and just put South Carolina is a little bit of a wild card.
Yeah, you got to have BYU, mix it up a little bit. LSU, I'm sure that'll end well.
Congrats to Ohio State, though. Okay, what else we got? Any coach hirings? Well, there was also the tragic golf cart accident in the tunnel afterwards when that lady was driving Ryan Day.
Who else was in that golf cart? I think Will Howard was in there. Will Howard was in there, and the lady, she just drives directly into the wall.
It couldn't see the wall. Came out of nowhere.
Yeah, exactly. It wasn't painted yellow or anything.
It was a hazard. She drove directly into it.
She was probably a Georgia alumni. Yeah.
But yeah, it was a very, very funny. Watch her steer.
Bang. She just didn't see the wall.
Ohio State coaches in golf carts. Name better duo always works yeah that's that's brutal drove it in so bad you couldn't even reverse it that's yeah that's when you really yeah like it was yeah the cops had to come and they just started walking they're like all right never mind we're out of here it does rock to be able to just ride around golf course that's my dream i.
I don't know. You want her to release a statement?

I would.

How did she even think?

For the record, Hank wants to know,

so make sure to follow her on Instagram, Hank.

What is her Instagram?

Because Hank would like to follow her for the statement.

Yeah, link me up.

Link them up.

I'll do some journalism.

Okay, what else we got?

Anything else?

Some coaching hires.

Oh, really? Who got hired? You said the Jets, oh, waitclock. Yeah.
After 3. It's after 3.
Congratulations, Big Cat. On what? Ben Johnson.
I'm staying a 6 out of 10. That's such a lot.
Yeah. Such a lot.
That's the first thing. So Big Cat's not a 6 out of 10 because I was in the gambling cave, and the first thing Big Cat says to me is like,

the Bears just got Ben Johnson.

Big Cat is all the way back.

No, I'm 6 out of 10.

I don't blame you.

There's still a lot of work to be done.

This is the move that you have to – this is what I was talking about with Mike McCarthy versus Ben Johnson.

You're wrong again.

Yeah.

Very wrong.

Mike McCarthy, safe hire, probably gets you to the playoffs,

probably have you guys win a couple games. Ben Johnson is a guy that can turn Caleb Williams into a superstar quarterback.
Here's – okay, I'm not going to – because people are going to want me to get ahead of myself. I'm not going to get ahead of myself.
This is what – I'm very, very happy. I'm a 6 out of 10 happy, which is as high as my happiness meter can go.
Ben Johnson picking the Bears and the Bears paying the money that they're going to pay ben johnson is a significant shift in everything the bears usually do and that's you know they don't they don't usually pay a coach i think the report was 14 million which is for a first time head coach is insane uh ben johnson was the hottest ticket in ticket in the last two coaching hiring cycles. He was the guy who was hand-selecting which interviews he won.
The Jaguars, the Raiders, I know the Jets probably wanted him. He didn't do an interview with them.
All these teams wanted Ben Johnson. He picked the Bears, which makes me think that he thinks Caleb Williams is special, which makes me me very happy and for all the shit I give George McCaskey and the McCaskey family and and the Bears ownership they they they went and got the number one guy on the market who and they paid him top dollar and that's very anti Bears so I'm six out of ten happy a lot of work to be done.
Gotta get an offensive line. Gotta get more defensive line.
Gotta get Caleb right. But I believe in Ben Johnson and I'm very happy.
I heard one suggestion. Memes heard the same thing on the radio this morning.
Draft Ashton Gentry in the first round. What do you think about that? I've seen that as well.
The Bears need a lot of help everywhere. So if they want to do Ashton Gentry and he wants to get freaky with it, I trust in Ben Johnson and I'm back trusting in Ryan Poles as well because I did not think that the Bears were going to be able to get Ben Johnson.
I thought that they had screwed it up. I thought no one would pick the Bears.
Ben Johnson, I saw a report that Ben Johnson wanted the Bears job last year, but he agreed to stay for one last year with Dan Campbell to finish this thing out. And that's why the Bears ended up keeping Eberflus because they're like, we don't want to fire him now and lose out on Ben Johnson next year.
This also might just be a fan fiction thing in my head that I've made up. I was going to suggest maybe it might be.
But a six out of 10, I remain. He was like, he had his eye on this is his dream job the the bears have a lot of work to do and ben johnson isn't going to be able to fix everything but it was it's i'm as i'm saying a six out of ten that's what i was you know it's crazy i was going to say something else but i'm saying a six out of ten you know what's crazy is you're older than ben johnson yeah ben john i mean that's a lot of coaches now yeah you are too buddy we're older than like every coach here yeah it's getting bad scary hours not me just wait close how old's ben johnson he is 38 okay we're about to be 40 is it does that count as boy genius? Could be.
Is Ben Johnson a boy genius?

He might be.

I think he is.

I think for NFL coaches under 40, he is.

Yeah, he's boy genius.

Boy genius.

You have your own boy genius.

Boy genius.

And he must love Caleb if he's signing up to coach against the Lions twice a year,

coach against Kevin O'Connell twice a year.

The Lions fans are very upset.

Coach against Matt LeFleur twice a year.

He was going to leave anyway.

I know it's a divisional guy or divis divisional rival but he was gonna leave anyway um have the reason you lost the game though basically being a crazy play called by like that that makes it sting that much worse yeah yeah it's like well that's not why they lost it's like he trashed if you're a lions fan like you like that it that was the defining play of. Yeah.
He had a really nice house with him. He threw a party, trashed the house, and left.
Yeah. I'm very 6 out of 10.
I'm as 6 out of 10 as you could get. Would you guys agree? Memes has been policing me.
I mean, earlier you said I'm a 6 out of 10 because I have to be a 6 out of 10. If you took the restrictor plate off, are you asking what I'd be? Yes.
I'm willing to let you say your piece. No, because I don't want to.
Yeah, you should. No, no.
Hank, are you willing to? I'm willing to. Be upfront.
Be honest with our listeners. Because the takeaway right now is Big Cat grades the coaching hire a 6 out of 10.
No, that's going to be bad. That's not how I grade the pass out.
I'm saying that's what the takeaway is going to be. Big Cat is a 6 out of 10.
I'm staying 6 out of 10. They have to start winning games.
They have to do a good job of the draft. But they're winning the offseason again.
See, I don't like that. I don't want to do.
We're not winning any offseason. You've got to win in the season but i'm willing to say that like i'm not holding you to your word on the six out of ten you can say what you really feel i'm not going to say what i really feel but if i were to say what i was going to really feel if i were going to say it and again this is not me saying it but if i were going to say it i would say that hiring ben johnson literally changes everything about this

franchise and it's all the way back but i didn't say any of that i stayed a six out of ten the whole time you can say whatever you want as long as you follow it up with six out of ten yeah i'm saying six it's the the this hire is so different than what what the bears are usually able to pull off and he was

and the guy's a fucking boy genius

and he

is picking it because of Caleb Williams. And the McCaskies, who are notoriously cheap, are paying a ton of money.
Everything, if I were going to get out of the 6 out of 10 zone, I'd say literally everything has changed. And the Bears are all the way back and won the offseason, probably going to win the Super Bowl.
But I i'm staying six out of ten so you got to go and do it on the field before i get excited i love just the idea of george mccaskey getting aggressive with it after all these years he's like it's time and i should probably say sorry to kevin warren too because he probably was the one who had to tell george mccaskey add another zero dude like hey yeah actually you're gonna have to move that comma over like you were and he's like what yeah it's not 1.4 million it's 14 million i mean it's it congratulations to ben johnson when when it comes to getting paid this was a great great way he went about it just say no to everyone and then may and then they want you more and the bears are gonna go for it on fourth downs and get aggressive as fuck yeah what needs to happen the next three years for you to maybe go to like seven out of ten?

Oh, no, I'll go to ten out of ten if they start winning football games.

I say they have to do it on the field.

No, but I'm saying in three years, what would you consider success or failure?

They have to start winning games on the field.

They start going to the playoffs.

Playoff football is hard, so it's like if they go to the playoffs,

if they start maybe beating the Packers,

that kind of stuff, although Thomas Brown did beat the Packers.

He's 1-0 against the Packers.

Are you going to get to above a 6 out of 10 before the playoffs?

I'm going to get above a 6 out of 10 as soon as they start winning games.

Does that be week one?

Yeah.

Preseason?

Yeah.

No, not preseason.

What if they win?

Last summer I said some really fucking stupid shit that everyone keeps reminding me of how stupid I sounded, and I did sound really stupid, and I feel stupid. I'm a moron.
This summer I'm not going to say stupid shit. I'm going to say I'm excited about things, but I'm not going to let myself get over my skis, and I'm not going to get to a point where I'm like, this is the best situation ever, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They got a lot of holes. They got a lot of work to be done.
Caleb's got to get a lot better. If they start winning games and Caleb looks better, then we just start ramping it up.
It's a great hire. I think this is the right hire that the best hire they could make.
Congratulations. Like a 6 out of 10 should be a 10 out of 10.
If you're a Bears fan. It's a million out of 10 if I didn't agree to do 6 out of 10.
Memes is policing me too. Memes is just following me around, just like watching my moves.
He's a hater. Are you staying 6 out of 10? He's snaking the grass.
Now, Adam Schefter did have a very funny spin on it. Shout out Schefter, by the way.
He came on this show and said, don't follow the pack. Yeah.
When everyone was saying that Ben Johnson was going to be on the raiders get a very funny funny spin about it when he said that the the bears have hired ben johnson he said ben johnson has spent the last week putting together a star studded cast of assistant coaches and then there was a big picture of dennis allen i got i reacted poorly to that dennis allen's actually a very good defensive coordinator it's also really smart to get a guy who's been in the nfl for a long time and knows how this works as part of your staff darren rizzi might be part of the staff i i agree that should be awesome that getting a an older guy that has coached before good move would you say that it is star studded with dennis allen not star studded but dennis allen's a very good defensive coordinator so yeah i mean star stud is probably the wrong word sounds like shefty was was getting a 10 out of 10 excited. Yeah, he was getting really excited.
I would have said very good defensive coordinator. Yeah.
An older gentleman, Dennis Allen, is joining the Bears. Yeah.
Now, Rob Ryan, that's star studded. That is star studded.
Shout out USC. Yeah, that is star studded.
I'm very excited. Six out of 10.
Million out of 10. Bears are back.
Six out of ten. Aaron Glenn? Not yet.
Josina Anderson said they're working through some contractual moving parts. So negotiating.
Negotiating, yes. Okay.
Who is going to be your GM? The commander's assistant GM. Okay.
Are they going to hire him after the coach? I think so. I think they're going to hire him together.
Lance Newmark? Lance Newmark. Okay.
Kind of looks like a Lego. All right.
Okay. That's my only evaluation.
Are you – and how do you feel about – Rick loves Legos. Yeah, how do you feel about Aaron Glenn? If we sign Aaron Glenn, we got the number one guy on the market.
Huh? He was the number one coach, per me.

Per your interviews?

No, no.

Just number one guy out there.

Number one coach candidate on the market.

You did not want Mike Frable?

No.

You didn't want to interview Ben Jones?

I want whoever we hire, and that's the number one guy.

I like that.

That's smart.

He's Jet.

I can't relate because we got the number one guy, but yeah.

No, we'll see who got the number one guy during the season.

That's what it is. guy i like that that's smart his jet i can't right now i can't relate because we got the number one guy but yeah no we'll see who got the number one guy during the season that's true that's true memes that is today could be the best day of your life also looking back could be the worst thanks memes okay well in terms of hiring same for you buddy same for you congrats big cat this might be the worst day of my life.
Yeah, this could. Same for you.
Could be the best day. Could be the best day.
And I think Ben Johnson, he said that he turned down the Jaguars because he didn't like how everything was set up. Yeah, with Trent Balke.
He didn't like the setup there. That means Trent Balke.
That's where I'm shocked the Bears did it because the Bears have a similar setup where Ryan Poles is in the last year of his deal but credit to Ryan Poles, Kevin Moore, McCaskey they did it so you will be happy with Aaron Glenn? I will be happy leader of men leader of men get everybody going in the right direction he's a motivator Lions fans seem to be happy that he's going, but I don't care.

And then we have probably Mike McCarthy to the Saints?

Maybe, yeah.

And then no idea what the Cowboys are going to do.

You got to do Deion.

Liam Cohen to maybe the Jaguars.

I think Jerry Jones is shocked at how much head coaches cost now.

Yeah.

He's been out of the market for a little bit.

He didn't realize it. And he's like, wait, he wants $14 million and he's never never coached before yeah oh i don't think they even talk to ben johnson kevin o'connell uh reach agreement on multi-year contract extension at what cost the cost of having that story leaked right before you had to play the lions yeah now again we should know nfl coaches salaries that should be public i think there's a decent idea of...
I know Tomlin is, what, $16 million, $18 million? But it should be out there. Florio said Ben Johnson was $13 or $14.
The team should have to tell us like they tell us what the extensions are for quarterbacks. Yeah, I agree.
I want to know that. I think Andy Reid gets paid $20.
Yeah, fan bases have a right to know, so they can choose how much they want to complain to the owner. Yeah.
What memes? You're looking at us quizzically. No, I was just looking.
Somebody said Ben Johnson got six years, 15. 15 a year? Yeah.
Okay. That's a lot of money.
It is. That the Bears usually don't spend.
What do you think Aaron Glenn's going to get? That's probably why this is taking so long. Ah, he sees his buddy get six for 15.

Yeah.

If you're the Cowboys, you got to get Dion at this point, right?

Yeah.

You got to make every play to get Dion.

Just have it be fun.

And then what are the Raiders going to do?

Yeah.

All right.

Last thing, how pulse check between Max and PFT?

Pulse is strong.

Max is very nervous.

52 beats a minute overnight last night wow i feel pretty

good about that max is mumbling to himself a lot and saying a bunch of shit what does 52 beats a minute mean pulse pulse was that normal it's pretty good pretty it's it's good low though it means that you're you're maintaining mine's probably pretty high if i had to say yeah you're not i don't think you're handling the pressure great no i'm i feel it more than i've ever felt any pressure before in my life do you think that we're adding to the pressure at all i have thought about this a lot oh you guys the difference of my nerves going into this game because I work for this company and I work for this show.

I think about it like if I was just a normal guy that was just an Eagles fan, lived in Philly.

Butt crack showing.

Butt crack showing.

Like where my confidence would be, I think I would be like a confident asshole. Yeah.
Yeah, and that's what we are. Yeah.
Hank has finally aligned himself with the city of Philadelphia. I think Big Cat's going to too eventually based on money reasons.
And also the New Orleans piece. I shout out that one guy who was just like, why doesn't Big Cat just take his kids to New Orleans for the Super Bowl?

Didn't think of that.

Didn't think of that.

That sounds like fun.

Yeah, that sounds like a great time.

Yeah, but in a way, because everybody is aligning themselves with the Eagles and rooting for the Eagles, that puts way more pressure on Max.

I don't know if I'm fully aligning with the Eagles.

I think I have to figure out what I'm going to do with my Eagles future if I might cash out.

Because there's part of me that's just like, if the Commanders win, it is also great for the show. Although I did tell Max that I was going to slash his tires if the Eagles didn't win.
Yeah, so there's a little bit more pressure there. I'm fully aligned.
And I might have also said that I was going to get his girlfriend to give me a key to his apartment. I was going to beat him up while yeah it's all fair stuff this is why we watch sports i i i feel i feel confident in the fact that i've i've accepted the fact it's house money and i have to kind of put aside all the shut up i have to put aside all the stats all the like roster gazing that you, and you look at all the dudes that Philly has,

you have to throw that all away.

None of that really matters right now.

What matters is that we have the best quarterback in this game

who's capable of doing things that other quarterbacks

aren't against the Philadelphia Eagles.

He's the hottest quarterback in the league right now,

and the Eagles have a history. It's not the

NCAA tournament.

I think what Jaden kind of is.

I mean, something is happening.

I just noticed something.

PFT, Hank called you a loser

and you said, shut up, Hank. You didn't say, shut the

fuck up, Hank. Yeah.
Which makes me think

that. No, this is Philly.

Normally you say, shut the fuck up, Hank. Yeah, this is Philly Hank.
You kind of accepted that when you said, oh, shut up, Hank. Yeah.
Which makes me think that. No this is Philly.
This is Philly Hank. Normally you say shut the fuck up Hank.
Yeah this is Philly Hank. You kind of accepted that when you said oh shut up Hank.
Oh Max is. I think you're digging Max.
I mean how often do you say it's always shut the fuck up Hank. The way he said that.
Max said that. It's not so far.
Yeah that's a wind horse. He just wind horseed you.
This is Philly Hank. You might have half accepted the inflection of your of your voice was not an it was shut up hank not shut the fuck up hank no shut the fuck up hank is is a is a motto in your in your brain usually when i feel it usually when i scream at hank and tell him to shut the fuck up it's because there's like a kernel of really mean truth and whatever hank has just said and so i have to just shout him down in this one i don't think that's just doing this now oh wind horse so how about that how about it how about it this is a podcast but this is for the fingers i'm just doing the wood horse dude if Do you care to address what I just said? I wasn't listening.
I wasn't listening. I was just focusing on the fingers.
I was focusing on the fingers. I'm sorry.
Say it again. Excuse me.
Do you mind closing your mouth? Say it again. No, I said it.
Listen to the podcast. No, come on.
No, it'll be fine. Just say it again.
We're having fun doing the wind horse fingers. Here's the thing.
He said I'm always – I heard you say everything I say is the truth or something. Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
It is house money. We're playing with no pressure, and we're a dangerous team.
And you can put all the stats in front of me. I think you can throw them out.
Spreads don't matter in this game. Agreed.
It doesn't. The spread does not matter at all.
Unless the Eagles win by a field goal. Which I don't think that they will.
But they could i think the eagles are going to win by a touchdown or more or the commanders are going to win by three but you said eagles first big cat just said i don't see the eagles winning by a touchdown oh no yeah no i didn't say that i said i said unless the eagles win by three yeah so then And that that. I said, unless the Eagles win by three.

Yeah, so then that's why I said I see the Eagles winning by more than that

or losing outright.

Got it.

It's fine.

Hey, this is going to be gang up week.

I'm not gang up.

I'm just obsessed with doing win horse game.

Gang, gang, gang.

I'm going to dye my hair blonde and put on a white t-shirt and underpants

and sit on a couch in front of you guys because it's just going to be

just taking rods from all angles. Memes's fine and that's fine i've i mean i want to command i am i am heavily debating cashing out and betting the commanders because i think the commanders are going to win though yeah you won't do it and i don't care if you do it or not all right so when i do it so when i do it will you apologize to me no i don't because what do you mean you won't do it? I might do it.
I might do it. First of all, what am I going to apologize to you for? Second of all, I do not give a fuck who you bet on this weekend.
Okay. All right, well, I'm saying I might not gang up on you.
You can't say you guys are gang up on me. I'm like, I haven't decided yet, and then be like, I don't give a fuck.
Okay. Those are two conflicting things.
Well, because right now, you are betting a future I'm living I'm living in the present I have a future on the Eagles listen if the fingers trigger you we'll stop doing the fingers you guys can finger whatever you want it's gang week finger away boys no yeah obviously this is you and I are going into this game in two completely separate modes of mind. Modes of mind.
Modes of mind. Word count.
Yeah, true. Word count.
I'm done. I'm just thinking.
Yeah. Shut it down.
It would be. If the Eagles lose this game, my life is over.
If you lose this game, you had a great season. Yeah.
This is the window. This is the start of the window.
And we could shut your window. I have thought more about that.
Our defensive window is just beginning, and that is a real thing. Yeah, but our defense is so good and so young.
You're going to find out Sunday. If we go into your house, though, and beat the Eagles, then there's a new daddy in town.
There's no way. Then you can forget.
You don't run this shit anymore if that happens. Hank might actually be on your side.
The way he says everything, look, he's smiling. Are you Wintors? He's smiling.
Are you Wintors? Look at him. Look at him.
Hank, everything that he says, there's a little word count. Max is so paranoid.
Yeah, this now makes the previous Wintors seem a little crazy because you're just pointing at everyone now. How come you didn't say fuck, BFT? Usually you say fuck.
It was a decent point. That was a good point.
The fingers bothered you. I'm excited.
It's okay. They're funny, though.
I'm excited. And there's a good chance that the Eagles win this game.
I'm not delusional. I don't think that the commanders should be favored in this game.
I think the Eagles have a great team. They're favored for a reason.
But I also feel confident going into it. And I felt confident going into the Lions last week.
I did. I felt as a week went on, I got more calm.
So let's just see what happens between the Lions on Sunday, Max. Yeah.
And may the better team advance the Super Bowl.

But you should be more calm.

Work out.

I'm done.

Yeah.

I have to dig into the matchup because I do.

There's a chance I bet on the commanders because I do think they're just something.

Jaden Daniels is so special.

Like, I bet on them against the Lions.

I wish I had bet Moneyline.

I would rather just win.

I'd rather win my bet than have to look at you and be be like you did it again you better watch tape buddy watch the watch tape i'm grinding the tape he's word counting all right let's get to ourselves let's do hot seat cool throne first of all before we get to that is jalen hurts okay he's got a word count you're gonna have to well first of all That was a 20-minute segment. It was a two-part question.
He's on a word count.

Is Jayla?

Yes. He's going to be fine.
He's a gamer. Is he okay, Hank? He's a gamer.
Yep. Is Quinian Mitchell okay? Yes.
I've looked into the Chiefs' drugs. I'm trying to get some Mahomes drugs for Jalen Hurts.
CJ Stroud had some of that shit, too. Yeah.
There's drugs out there for him to be fine yep i gotta find them yeah i'm worried about big dom big dom can get anything uh okay let's kick ourselves hot seat cool throne then we have ryan fitzpatrick and stavi on the show okay hot seat cool throne is presented by game time the official ticketing partner of barstool sports hot Ticket, the big ticketing companies that make getting tickets to NFL playoff games a real hassle. Cool Throne, you! Game Time's got your back.
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Oh, yeah. People not respecting it.
Players not respecting it. Oh.
This is bad. This is bad, Big Cat.
Try not to breathe. If you have kids at home and they're listening to this podcast, they might not want to listen to this.
Oh, no. Yes.
Oh, yeah, yeah. After the Notre Dame game lost, Dan Wolkin was in the locker room.
Yeah, which is one of the funniest names ever, considering everything that he talks about stands for. He's a guy that he covers a sport that he seems to hate.
Well, that's a lot of college football, but yeah. Yeah.
But he... Well, and actually, that's a lot of journalism.
Yeah, it is. Like, that's...
When people ask, like, how are you able to do this job for as long and still love it? It's like, because we love sports. Yeah, a lot of movie critics are like that, too.

It's like, how could you watch sports for a living

and cover sports for a living and not like it?

He tweeted, bizarre scenes from the Notre Dame locker room.

Players yelling at reporters.

Coaches warning people not to ask certain questions.

Amateur hour.

Wow.

No respect for the biz going on in the Notre Dame locker room.

After losing the biggest game of their life, what a shocker. I can't believe that college football would turn into amateur hour.
That is absolutely a disgrace. We're going backwards.
It is a disgrace, guys. I mean, if I lost a national championship, the first thing I would be thinking is, like, let's answer questions from the media in a respectful way.
I'd probably, yeah, I'd probably say fuck you to everyone who asks me a question. Yeah my number bitch listen dan wolkin pays your salary you understand that you got to treat this man with the utmost respect i i i think we need to normalize more uh like bad losers like that should be fans and and players like let them let them be sore losers for a minute i saw i saw our friend Shane Gillis was tweeting last night.
I think Jamie, Joe Rogan's producer, is an Ohio State fan and was like, I wouldn't be as salty. And then he replied something like, congrats to Tony Hinchcliffe, Jamie, the Paul brothers, and every other really likable Ohio State fan out there.
It's like, let him be salty. I thought I thought it, dude.
I thought he purposely left young Jamie out. Oh, he might have just to needle him.
I think. Well, I think he deleted that one and then came back and said it.
But it's like, let losing a big game sucks. People should like when people are like, oh, you're acting like a bitch.
Yeah, that's the point. Yeah.
Like yeah like let them act like a bit you shouldn't act like a bitch like the next day but yeah fuck yeah yeah i mean what do you expect when you go into a locker room after a national championship loss yeah what do you honestly like i would be concerned with the team if they were just super respectful and like hey yeah i'm open for questions ask me about field goals yeah ask me about everything

ask me about that first drive and whether or not our quarterback was just on e after that after that

like 20 play drive to start the game ask me all the questions that you think that i'm going to get

pissed off about because i love that about journalists it's the old saying show me a sore

loser and i'll show you a loser yeah i don't know i i actually would i i think we should have like a

24 hour shot clock for big games fans and and players alike that anything they they should be

Thank you. loser yeah i don't know i i actually would i i think we should have like a 24 hour shot clock for big games fans and and players alike that anything they should be able to say whatever they want and it shouldn't count long term and then you'd get actually real answers you'd be you'd get people being like fuck that i also think the real irony is that the journalists that complain the most about players not answering their questions if you question them about anything they get the most offensive and they're like fuck you blocked yeah peter frisco so you're out of here but the biz biz hot seat or no respecting the business respecting the business yeah you okay yeah my uh my cool throne is the nine darter okay time has come uh so starting this friday probably seven or eight o'clock i will be starting the nine darter journey now it's obviously impossible physically impossible i could do this nine darter for a thousand years and i would never get a nine darter no one's ever done it before no amateur that i've i've heard of i've searched some forums and then there's people that you know red Reddit threads and stuff where they're like, yeah, I've been in a league for 40 years, never been done.
Getting a three-darter is hard enough. I've gotten, you know, 33 darters in my life, never come close to getting them twice in a row.
So the nine-darter, I will not be getting nine consecutive darts. If that bothers you, just stop listening.
Can you explain what the nine-darter is again? What a regular nine-darter is? A nine-darter. So darts if that bothers you just stop listening can you explain uh what the nine darters again in what a regular yeah a nine darter so darts uh is is you started 501 points to start and a nine darter is when you go from 501 to zero in nine darts so it's a perfect it's three perfect rounds there you couldn't it's an immaculate round basically like there's no that's the least amount of darts you could throw it'd be like shooting you know whatever 18 under par like it's a perfect round yeah you're like getting a hole in one on every hole yeah yeah this is not uh to put into perspective because i do think you deserve this hank is like it's not like hitting a hole in one one time it's not uh like some of these like, you know, hitting a 65 mile an hour fastball out of like a stadium.
Like it would be like trying to hit a hundred and five mile an hour fastball out of a major league park. It would be like having LeBron guard you and trying to hit a three on his head for Hank.
Like trying to dunk on LeBron, trying to dunk on Leon it's it's shooting under par at augusta it's not it's not like a oh i can get one fluky thing to happen here with a hole in one this will be awesome it's it's it's impossible for the regular person it's not even the three bowling a 300 like i think that you could bowl 300 eventually i don't think you could ever get a nine darter but it's like it's similar so the we're doing the stream similar to the bowling of 300 where you couldn't bowl 300, but after time elapses, then it gets easier and easier. So basically, the plan is to do three three darters.
So once I get, you know, if I get three triple 20s, then that leg is done. I like to get two three darters.
And every 12 hours, I can get closer to the dartboard. So I will be living at the office until this is done.
It will be a constant stream from Friday until Sunday before the games. And if I'm not done by then, we'll go down for obviously the game stream, we have to record the podcast, and then I'll start again Monday morning.
So if it takes me until next week, it takes me until next week, I will not be leaving the office starting Friday until the stream is done. And there's some wrinkles we have where I'm not just going to be throwing darts the whole time because my arm will give up.
But there's challenges and different things where the first and third legs I have to do on my own. But the second leg, so that way Saturday we can have people come in and help out out like PFT or big cat.
You know, I can, I'm not, I'm again, I'm not physically going to be able to throw darts for 40 hours straight. I might take a break.
We might have a, you know, whoever's in the office come in and they can throw darts as much as they want. If they get the first two, I always have to get the third one.
So like there's, there's ways where people can help me, you know do a leg but i have to do the first and third legs on my own uh and then we'll have you know some challenges and stuff where it's like i might go in the golf simulator for an hour if i get a hole in one then i only have to get two out of three darts like there's we have challenges set up golf stream yeah yeah i i listen no no no i'm here. Do you hate me? What are you going to say? I was going to say, I think this is a really smart way to do it.
I think it's going to be fun for the viewers. Go fucking Eagles.
I hope the Eagles destroy you. I think that understanding the whole point is it's a punishment.
It's going to suck for Hank. He's going to live in this office.
he's making it a way that eventually he can get it but it still is going to be very very very very difficult so again i will back up hank in the fact that if you uh have a problem with this just don't watch it's gonna be awesome i think it's gonna take him three days probably still if i can get to before because that's the thing we're gonna go down and we have to do the streams and then the podcast and stuff after so i won't be like the my best case scenario is finishing before sunday if we don't finish before sunday then i'm then i'm in then i'm in one it is a very very difficult challenge that you have and i think the act of throwing a dart it seems so easy but if you do it for 12 hours in a row your elbow your elbow is going to be killing you. Yeah, I'd have to start throwing righty.
But yeah, every 12 hours, I can get a foot closer. So I think hopefully by, like, you know, worst case scenario, by Tuesday, I'll be close enough.
And we also have, so scheduling-wise, so you're going to be doing it over the weekend. Monday night, which we haven't announced, but we are going to have a Doug stream.
We have one last Doug stream, so I'm going to try to win a national title where I pick. We're going to just play the playoffs.
And then after the Doug stream, it's going to go straight into the hole-in-one stream with Jerry and Tate, Barstool after dark. So it could be...
We could have five streams going on at once. Yeah, we could have...
And then also the case race on tuesday it's going to be a chaotic week and there could be multiple streams going on at once we could combine them it's going to be fun hank i'm i'm rooting for you i'm going to try to come in and help you out at points where are you going to be doing it on the court uh we have the the dartboards mobile oh we can do different locations so when i said because i'm not going to be able to i don't want to sit in one place so when i want to bring my kids in so that they can play in the office you can you can go somewhere else so they can play in the office i that's really the important thing here no i'm going to come in and help have you done any prep for for your dart technique what does that mean i don't know like practiced or trained have i thrown a dart before, have you learned anything that you're planning on taking into? I think it's a pretty normal question to be asking. Fuck you, PFT.
Yeah. My bad.
Why did you ask that? Sorry. Have you prepared at all for this big challenge that you're going to do? That was a normal question.
Bad question. Listen.
I see what's going on here. I'm going to take a step back.
Let me take a in Your guard is off Let me step in It hasn't been 12 hours yet PFT Let me step in Hank What the fuck He was simply asking Yes I've prepared Have you been like practicing Have you been working on it at all Which is a In PFT's defense Completely normal question Thank you Yeah I've watched some YouTube videos i've thrown darts i mean it's darts like it's it's you got any advice fucking michael van gerwin yeah i would oh i would prepare for it like a little bit it sounds it sounds like you've prepared for how would you prepare it sounds like doing this the stuff that you're doing where you watch youtube videos maybe get on the board a couple times and just take some practice figure out where the elbow goes? Me, personally, if I had to prepare for this, I'd just get nasty at darts. I'm bad at darts.
That's the problem. You know what this is? It's because it's the Mount Rushmore punishment.
Oh, is it? Is that what it is? Yeah. And he's still a little upset about that.
Next year, let's just do no punishment for the Mount Rushmore. Hank, I'm going to be rooting for you.
I want you to do it because... You got this.
I want you to be out of this mood. I genuinely think this is going to be a great stream.
I was in a good mood until you said I'm trying to... I have to fucking throw darts for 100 hours straight.
I'm coming up with little one-hour wrinkles. I mentioned one and you're like, this is just a ghost stream.
This is just a ghost stream. This is just a ghost stream.
The wrinkles are going to make it better for the viewer. Meanwhile while your punishments are like the dumbest shit

in the fucking world but okay good that we've we're getting this out yeah yeah this feels i

can tell that you're upset well that was a triggering comment i can tell that you're upset

you know that somebody was gonna make the joke wouldn't you rather come from me

maybe not i don't really care what other people say like i care about what you say okay about

this room do you care when i say that i'm rooting for you i don't believe it but yeah i guess we got to keep that we got to keep everything in the locker room boys we shouldn't have these we shouldn't have these type of fights publicly okay let's keep this in the locker room i think you can do it in no one will hear this i think you're i think it's gonna take you a day and a half i would love love to be done before Sunday. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
A three-darter is hard. Also, with all these streams, as long as you sit...
I have tried. I have thrown darts for, I don't know, probably six or seven hours total the last month or so.
Sounds like preparation. I haven't come close to a three-darter.
So it's like, that's my fear. I'm not good at darts.
Yeah. Okay.
Have you thought about getting a little bit drunk? Yeah. I think Saturday night we might get weird with it.
Yeah. Okay.
I got some, we're going to bring some guests in. That's the thing.
I'm trying to spice it up. I'll probably be sleeping on stream and stuff.
But yeah, I think Saturday night after whatever, 24 hours at that point, there's like my body is, there's no point in in i'm just gonna get drunk and try yeah my recommendation that's where it's like that's where i'm gonna be relying on people to hopefully show up and get the two darts and then that third dart that will be the moment i would i would tell you that if you get a little bit drunk i would get a little bit drunk earlier than that before your arm gives out because you are better your coordination is like i don't know when i play darts i always feel like i'm much better after exactly three beers question damn uh you're sleeping on stream are you worried about boners i'm worried about sleep talking oh no boners yeah not oh no sleep talking i didn't even think about that i i've already i think i'm gonna do mouth tape and we'll probably just mute the sound i don't know i'm a sleep talker it's a it's a i am too major issue in my life okay yeah i'm excited listen if hank gets a boner in his sleep nobody screen grab it yeah please okay you're in the locker room too yeah good luck hank i'm rooting for you thanks i'm glad that you did some preparation for it. I think that was smart.

Thanks.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're welcome.

Okay.

So I was going to have Dan Wilkin too, but my hot seat instead, I guess, will just be me and Max's hair because we're trying to figure out what our bet is going to be for the Eagles-Commanders game.

And it seems to all be hair-related suggestions that we're having.

So Hank, this is actually maybe a good chance for you. You say my punishments are always way easier dick it shave yeah because the the suggestions the suggestions wasn't even a punishment i did it yeah it's for for a championship so this is for the nfc championship game um the suggestions that we've been hearing a lot are uh the loser gets a mullet which is your suggestion, which you want to do.
But he's been hearing it a lot. I've been hearing it a lot.
He's hearing it a lot. That's okay.
He's been hearing it a lot when he is just sitting in his car and his thoughts are telling him things. Yeah.
There's been a lot of people saying that in his car. I also have a bet that we could do.
We could do the winner goes to the Super Bowl and the loser doesn't. I don't understand why we have to do a bet for this game.
I agree with that. I thought the bet that we talked about on Sunday night was a good one where the loser has to make a Colts banner and put it behind their seat for a year.
So it's like every time you have a shot on this podcast, there's a banner that says... just said the fans want hair But you don't care about the fans Max PFT has just forced this Max is right, the stakes are already as high as could be The stakes are so high There couldn't be higher I kind of agree with him that you don't need to do It's not like you're not going to care Like the pinky bet we bet we do as, like, an extra.
We don't think. That is a pinky bet.
I do it, and it's stupid. But as a collective, we, as in podcast.
Yeah. But we're getting into a bet culture that we're just going to, we're going to fuck ourselves.
I'm not totally disagreeing. You're saying you're going to have to do something you don't want to have to do that might be physically impossible impossible This game has a lot of stakes This game already has a lot of stakes But this isn't a podcast It just so happens that Listen, I understand the stakes could not be higher But instantly when it was going to be Commanders, Eagles Everybody was blowing me up saying What are you guys going to bet on this game? People do want to see a wager on it.
What about the banners? The banners could be good. I mean, that would hurt both of you significantly because we'll be doing this show in August, and it'll be right behind you.
Every time you see a clip, it says it right behind you. I like Big Tone's suggestion.
He said that it's from Samurais. Loser has to hire him.
Samurais or Jothraki's. That you put your hair in a ponytail.
The winner cuts it off with a blade to signal victory over his adversary. I like your guys' hair.
I don't really want either of you. I like cornrows for a month.
That would be funny. That would make me laugh.
That would be funny. I don't hate cornrows either because it doesn't affect you long-term.
You just look ridiculous. Yeah, every time you talk, we're just going, what does this guy say? And you have to do cornrows with the beads.
Yeah, yeah. I like that.
The problem with cornrows for me is that I've got some seedlings that are germinating and sprouting up here, and that could potentially pull the seedlings out. Okay, so we'll talk about this.
On Friday, we'll have a final. What did you get yesterday, PFT? Max doesn't want to do anything.
I would do cornrows. I don't want to do anything.
He doesn't want to permanently change his hair. I don't want to permanently change my hair.
Yeah, I've been doing it. This is my hair.
The thing about hair is it grows. But if we shave...
What? Yeah, I permanently shave my hair. You have a shaved head.
False. Very false.
You have short hair. Look at your head.
Look at the side of your head. Yeah, well, after I bicked my entire head, that's impossible.
You also chose to do this. No, you actually said that.
You said if the Celtics win a final, I will shave my head. You did.
That's insane. That is true.
No, it's not. Wait, what happened? I think it's true.
You're a fucking idiot. Big Cat asked Derek White being like, oh, Hank will shave his head if he do it.
And then Hank was like, sure, if this happens, I'll do it. But Big Cat set it up.
Well, I asked a question. You can't ask questions? What, I can't ask a question of an interview? Yeah.
You can't ask a question of a guest? Actually, false. I said that if the Sixers won the NBA Finals this year, I would shave my head.
So, okay, good point. So, yeah.
If the Bulls win the NBA Finals this year, I'll get a – no, you i'm not i'm just out of the pinky pinky bet i'm not doing anything i was i was gonna say i was gonna dragon tattooed on my back i i'll say if the if the washington wizards win the nba championship i will get bub carrington's face tattooed on my face okay nice nice uh all right wait so So we'll figure this out Friday. Yes.

We'll do something.

We will do something. We will do something.

Eyebrows?

Memes are saying eyebrows.

What about the eyebrows?

Eyebrows is good.

Does eyebrows come back?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Max reacting without eyebrows being correct.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

Full body wax?

Yeah.

Eyebrows is good.

Eyebrows is good.

Great visual.

Eyebrows is really good.

I don't like eyebrows. Eyebrows is good.
Boy, you can't even see yours. You can't even see yours.
I don't like eyebrows. I still love my eyebrows.
It's the one part of my body and my calves I feel really good about. Mac's just touching his eyebrows right now.
All right. And your cool throne? My cool throne is bulletin board material because Andy Reid is leaning into the bulletin board material hard, which I you got to do it you got to find it but he's got he must have a team of people that are out there and he's he's put them in a room saying scour the internet scour the newspapers try to find any bulletin board material that you can get so that we can feel like we're we're underdogs going to this game and that's what a good coach should be doing he's gotten to the point now where he's just making stuff up, though, because he said, I presume the Bills will probably be favored, but that's all right.
We'll do our thing. It doesn't matter if it's true or not.
If you tell your team, hey, you're the underdogs, the Bills are favored, good. You can just lie about that.
Yeah, yeah. And it's all good.
But yeah, he's been looking out there. And the fans have too, which I, again, full respect.
You got to find any motivation where you can get it and now max and i are in the bulletin board uh war with each other which is good this is healthy stuff but it's like every team you have to feel bad to make yourself work that i mean the ultimate bulletin board material was losing to michigan if you're ohio state that was the best thing they could have ever hoped for yep in order to motivate them to to galvanize and come together so yeah if you're a chief fan i would just deputize yourself as an internet sleuth find whatever bulletin board material you can get and send it to the chiefs because they they're scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find it now yeah i saw that clip i was like this is just not true not true but but it doesn't really matter does it matter if andy reed says it it's true yeah uh okay my uh hot seat is carlos alcaraz because he got fucking worked oh by the by by jokovic the goat oh what's your favorite part of the match uh it was when jokovic beat him three to one and djokovic is 37 years old and i thought big bad carlos alcaraz no one can beat this guy he's the fucking next guy oh not so fast oh oh oh what was that one year that he didn't win the australian open uh because they kicked him out of the country because of uh his he didn't want to be vaccinated honestly shit getting kicked out of rocks. Yeah.
That's like the coolest thing that you can do. Also, did you see that? There was already a little controversy because there was a reporter.
It looked like Good Day America, whatever the show is, for Australia. And he just bashed Djokovic and his fans.
And then that same TV station wanted to ask him a question after the interview. After his first match, he's like, I'm not answering from you guys.
Like, fuck that. Oh, that's my goat.
Bizarre scenes from the Djokovic locker room. Deeply unprofessional.
Amateur hour. Amateur hour.
So, yeah. I love the American.
What's her name? The American woman that's down there in Australia that's just yelling at the fans. I don't know.
She's the best. Coco? No, not Coco.
There's one lady that's from America. She goes down to Australia, and she's talking shit to the fans like, do you guys mind shutting up while I'm playing? Lisa Leslie.
They start to boo her, and she's putting her hand up to her ear like, give me more. She's the best.
Yeah. I love a good tennis troll.
love it uh all right and then my uh other hot seat actually is uh i didn't know that i i maybe this happened and i just missed it but i didn't realize that uh the gulf of mexico is not the gulf of mexico anymore gulf of america yeah that's fucking badass we just renamed it yeah and soon mars is going to be ours too hell yes let's go let's start claiming stars gulf of of America does not sound great. Well, because the thing is- I don't really under- When you go to the Gulf of Mexico.
Yeah. If you go there for spring break, then it sounds like way less exotic.
If you go to the Gulf of America than the Gulf of Mexico. You can go to the Gulf of Mexico and be like, I'm in Destin, but you feel like you're in Cancun.
Right. And also, doesn't the Gulf of Mexico have a bunch of oil spills? We should probably keep the branding there.
No, that happened in the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah, yeah.
That's what I'm saying. Keep it.
But there's like, I feel like every year. Destin, Florida is in the Gulf of Mexico? Yeah.
It's a body of water. Oh.
Yeah. All right.
So I take it back. I like that.
So, yeah. But yeah, but to your point, the oil spills happened in the Gulf of Mexico.
The Gulf of America has not had an oil spill.

There's going to be more oil spills.

We should probably just keep it Gulf of Mexico.

Then it gets renamed back to Gulf of Mexico for like two weeks during the oil spill.

Yeah.

And then my cool throne is Zuck because he was checking out Bezos' wife's tits.

And that was the first time I was like, this guy might be human.

Yeah.

That was cool. He did a job, Zuck.
Was she wearing just like a lace bra? Yeah, it was like lingerie. Okay, let's normalize that.
Yeah. Hell yeah.
I respect her right to wear that. And also taking a peek.
Yeah. Looks are free.
But it was funny just because Zuck is the last person that I would expect to get caught in 4K doing that. Yeah, I don't know if he had a recent software upgrade or whatever it's like you have to start finding women attractive now yeah and and have the uh have the capability for lust good job good job zuck you passed the test they also were like rfk there was a clip of her taking off her jacket and rfk passing the test by not looking um rfk is probably just gonna fuck that later was that not ai i i no where she took off her jacket Oh she's taking off her jacket but it was a clip just wearing a bra no it was a clip of her standing in front of rfk and he wasn't looking down okay got it he was she there was a real clip of her like turning around putting something down on a chair yeah rfk kept his his gaze straight ahead but no an rK, he's just going to hit that later.

Bezos can't do shit.

He's looking.

He's using that peripheral vision.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's got to utilize.

Trump also said, again, he was going to release the JFK files.

Oh, that'd be sick.

I'm very excited about that.

I think it's a dude that lives basically in Chicago that did it.

Yeah.

He's an old guy.

Yeah.

He was in the mafia or mafia related.

Yeah, Jack Ruby was the guy who killed Harveyvey oswald and he he had ties to the mafia yeah it's mafia cia cuba co-hit gonna be interesting lab yeah lab it's crazy the most ambitious crossover event of all time yeah like the the the mafia came up with it cuba did the second verse, and then the CIA probably mixed it.

Featuring CIA.

Yeah, featuring CIA.

When I heard that news, I was like, mind blown.

CIA?

How did they get involved?

They seemed like good dudes.

This dude was a special forces guy overseas,

worked for the CIA and the military back in Vietnam.

He was over in Laos.

And then he came back here.

He had all the training.

He helped train the Bay of Pigs operation.

That got shot down by Kennedy at the last second.

Then the CIA was pissed at Kennedy.

He's one of their Special Forces guys that works for him.

He goes down, meets up with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Lee Harvey Oswald gives him the gun.

It's a whole thing.

It's a whole thing.

But there is a guy that's confessed to shooting rfk or excuse me jfk in the head and

he lives in illinois he lives close by we got to get that guy driver he was not the driver oh yeah

the driver did shoot him as well it did happen i watched that replay um okay gene sterator have

been like yep that was the right call good that's targeting's targeting. Yeah.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very good friend of the show recurring guest 17 year NFL pro it is Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's here to talk a little playoff football.
But before we talk playoff football, I got to know, taking off your shirt at the Ravens-Bills game on Sunday, how are you feeling? How long did you have your shirt off? And do you think you actually had anything to do with the win? That was like a three-part question there. Okay, let's start with the last question.
Did I have anything to do with the win? So a that was like three part question there okay let's start with the last question did i have anything to do with the win so right before kickoff shirt off lead the charge say the cheer the ravens get the kickoff they go right down and score seven points so i don't think i had much to do with the win okay um my voice is shot a lot of tail, a lot of cheering. My shirt was off from right before kickoff to when I got into the green room in the back where the fans couldn't see me.
And then I put four different layers of jackets and coats on with my mittens and my gloves. But it was, I mean, electric.
The crowd was awesome, and it was such a great game. So happy that the Bills are moving on to the conference championship yet again.
Yeah, it was a great game. Do you think that there's anything different about this Bills team? Because I am leaning very – I know that I shouldn't bet against Patrick Mahomes.
I understand that. It's happened before.
But I'm feeling like this Bills team might be different this year. Tough environment to go into, but do you see the same thing? Do you feel like there's a difference between this team and what we've seen in the past? Well, I'll say they look a lot like the Chiefs, right? I mean, they've kind of morphed into this team that doesn't turn the ball over.
They're able to possess it and they don't have a ton of explosives in the last few weeks on offense, but Josh has played really efficient. The thing that gets me about Josh now, looking at him now versus like five years ago, he's so patient.
When you're watching the game, he's not forcing stuff down the field. That being said, and if you look at the last game with Kansas City, he's going to have to hit some go balls down the sideline.
They play a lot of man coverage. Amari Cooper was involved in that first game.
He's going to have to be involved again. Keon Coleman's going to have to be involved again.
So it's been interesting because they sort of have evolved into this team that looks like Kansas City on offense now, but I think it's their time, man.

I mean, Kansas City's been so good.

Obviously, Patrick Mahomes has been so good,

but I think it's their time.

They do feel a little bit different this year.

Yeah, I mean, they do run the ball well, the Bills,

and it feels like they're very balanced.

I'm a little nervous still about that.

It feels like the Bills' middle of the field defense is not –

that's where they're vulnerable.

And on the other side, there's a Hall of Famer who is now, what,

Thank you. It feels like the Bills' middle of the field defense is not – that's where they're vulnerable.
And on the other side, there's a Hall of Famer who is now what – I think we had the stat 14 straight playoff games where he's had 70 yards or more in Travis Kelsey. When you're watching the games and you're watching maybe the film after, what makes him so special and what is he doing that other tight tight ends aren't able to do well his his rules are different than every other tight end in the game he gets to do whatever he wants and that's just something that over time he and patrick i mean they they're so on the same page so for example if he's got a 12 yard out route well if it doesn't look like it's going to be open, he can turn in.
Or he can run his out route and then stop. Or he could just keep running vertical.
And for me, that would be really difficult because I was so much about the timing and getting it out when it's supposed to. But with him and Patrick, they're the same mind.
It's unbelievable. He's got such a great feel for the game.
And even as you've seen maybe his athleticism come back a few notches the last few years, he's still just as effective because of how smart he is. And you'll see zone coverage, he's going to get the ball quite a bit because he's going to be able to find those holes.
Patrick's going to be able to look around the field and then find him over the middle. So it's amazing to see what he's doing.

And of course, you know, the playoffs come, he wakes up and is the same old Travis Kelsey again.

Did you ever play with someone who you gave them their own rules or had any of that like free flowing?

Like, hey, we're going to play this a little different where I know that I trust you so much.

You're going to make the right decision and you can improvise a little.

Yeah.

So there were two guys.

And the first one, if you – we're going to play this a little different where I know that I trust you so much, you're going to make the right decision and you can improvise a little.

Yeah.

So there were two guys in the first one, if you guys remember Stevie Johnson in Buffalo.

Yep.

So we did a lot of three-by-one formations.

And a lot of that, the one was just Stevie on the backside.

If it was man-to-man, I was going to throw it to him.

If it was zone coverage, I was going to go to the three-receiver side. So I came up with what we called a you-do-you route, and I would just give him the why.
And that meant, Stevie, you-do-you, buddy. Whatever you want to do, a slant, a go, a hitch, just get open.
And he was phenomenal. His releases, you talk to guys, you talk to Revis, you talk to Sherm.
Those are when they say, who gave you the most trouble? You know, they would say Stevie Johnson was one of the guys at the top of the list. He was so difficult to cover.
And then Brandon Marshall was the other guy, just so smart. And some of that with him was like, hey, you can run an in cut here.
But if the safety comes down, go ahead and make it an in and a go up the middle of the field. But you have to really trust the guys to be able to do that.
So there weren't a whole lot of those guys in my career, but those were two of them for sure. Yeah, and then on the outside for the Chiefs, you have Xavier Worthy who started off the year a little shaky.
They would get him the ball in space sometimes and design some plays where they could just use his speed. And then he kind of hit like a lull in the middle of the season he was uh he had like the worst sideline awareness uh for a while any wide receiver he just like catch the ball one foot down let's get out of bounds uh but towards the end of the season he's looked a lot better and it feels like if we're doing like the narrative if we're looking back and i'm imagining what i'm going to be saying on monday i could see a world where i just focus and say, how did the Bills let this guy go to Kansas City? How do you make that trade? It feels like a big narrative and like the next brick in the wall of sadness for Buffalo to get beat by the guy that you gave to Kansas City.
But what have you seen from Xavier Worthy this season as it's progressed that shows you that he's becoming a real threat? Yeah, well, I could tell you the Buffalo fans are hoping that Keon Coleman has a big game for that reason to kill that narrative. But I mean, Xavier Worthy, perfect situation for him to be in because Andy Reid, he's a mastermind.
He's an offensive genius. And so that speed and the way they've been able to incorporate him, different ways of getting him the ball.
It not all just down the field stuff it's some of the reverses and some of the you know cute plays that you can really take advantage of his speed but I think eventually they're going to hope that he evolves into more than just a gadget guy and he's shown he's shown some potential this year but as you said some of the sideline awareness and some of those things that it's going to take to be a true number one receiver, he's just not there yet. But I can promise you when teams are playing the Chiefs, he's one of those guys that they're going to circle.
And they're going to say, we can't let this guy ruin the game. They're going to know where he is on every play.
Yeah. All right.
We're obviously going to talk about nfc championship game and what jayden daniels has been doing but i a question just popped in my head that i realized i don't think i've ever asked a quarterback this uh jake elliott has struggled if you're in that locker if you're the quarterback of a team and you know your kicker is going through it what is the mentality in these games and are you are you just avoiding him altogether are you are you thinking to yourself like hey if we're uh you know at the 35 like we really got to get five more yards because he sucks right now and he's something's going on with his head how does that affect you as a quarterback i realized that i never really asked that question it might the answer might, it doesn't affect us at all. Well, I mean, it would affect how I go about the week, which is trying to instill confidence in him, letting him know that we still believe in him, you know, letting him know that there's going to be a big kick or a big moment in the game where we're really going to need you.
And I've got your back. I believe in you a hundred percent.
So it's that part of it, which is the mental part of it. And then it is when you're in those offensive meetings, especially with the play caller or the head coach, you have those discussions of, okay, where are we thinking we're going to go for it? You know, if it's fourth and five on the 35, like you said, this is a situation this week, you know, where we could potentially just go.
We're going to go for it it every time we don't feel comfortable unless he's inside the 45 and even there you know points are going to be at a premium this game maybe if it's less than fourth and four we're going no matter what and you saw that with a team like Detroit this year and you know with Washington and how unbelievable they've been on fourth down this year it's a mentality and guys take a lot of pride in it. And if you know beforehand, okay, coach is putting it on us as an offense, that's a real motivator for you to get it done as an offense.
And so I think that's where I would be. A lot of closed-door whispers that Jake's not going to hear.
But then outwardly, you're trying to, you know, breathe some confidence into him. Do you, when you're on the sideline, do you watch the kick? If you know your kicker's struggling, do you watch the kick or do you close your eyes? I think I'd close my eyes.
No, I'm always a kick watcher. Always watching that kick.
Are there guys that you know in the locker room that are not kick watchers? There's a divide. We got our kick watchers and not kick watchers.
Some K watchers? Yeah, some C watchers and some K watchers. Yeah, usually they go hand in hand.
If you're a C watcher, you're a K watcher usually and vice versa. Yeah, you know that Jake knows that those conversations are happening.
Yeah, you can have the whispers behind. Oh, my God.
There's a lot of whispers. Well, it's like every conversation he thinks is about him.
Yeah, when you're playing quarterback and you're not playing well you know and and it's like am i going to get benched or am i not and those whispers are happening everywhere and you walk in a room and it goes silent you know hey guys uh yeah yeah you know they're happening but it's those those inner demons man you got to fight them you just got to go out and rely on your technique and um you know just i would tell him you're here for a reason man you've made a lot of big kicks in your career yeah you got to be careful about gassing up too much like then he knows like this is okay you just complimented me on my park job that i had this morning yeah hey great job jake you split really split those lines perfect job i also i i would definitely like bust balls and be like you're here for a reason jake and it's because it's way too late to find another kick kicker or something like that, and then probably just completely go against what I was trying to do. That's like a Tuesday.
That's a Tuesday conversation. You're here for a reason.
It's because we haven't killed you yet. Yeah.
So you're welcome. That's how much we believe in you.
You're here for a reason. The only other free agent out there that could get here in time was Cody Parkey.
Yeah. But I'm obviously super excited for the NFc championship game um it feels kind of surreal that washington is in the nfc championship game this quickly into a turnaround i love what they've done all the credit to adam peters for getting good veterans nailing some draft picks and uh and and getting dan quinn on board but i was i was actually watching the tape fitzy this is how this is my level my level of preparation I've been grinding the all 22 last night I watched the Thursday night game

that the commanders played against the Eagles in Philly yeah and I was just watching Jalen Carter

the entire time because that guy wrecks everything he scares me and the fact that Sam Cosme our best

offensive lineman some might say uh he he's out probably for a long time with an ACL and he lines up directly across from Jalen Carter. So now we've got a backup coming in trying to stop this guy.
What as an offense would you look to do? Because you can't take him out of the game. It's impossible.
He's going to find a way to make some plays. But what would you do to limit his effectiveness in stopping you? Yeah, well, you nailed it.
I'm really worried about that matchup too. And even with Cosme, I mean, Carter's just been an issue, right? But with Sam being out, that's a big deal.
I think, you know, they're built for it. The way that Cliff Kingsbury runs his offense, getting it out quick, you know, making sure that some of your shot plays are the plays you're going to hold on to the ball a little bit longer happening later in drives.
I think that's part of it. So getting them gassed a little bit, making sure that you're getting your first downs and extending your drives.
And then maybe on the sixth play of the drive, okay, Jalen Carter just had four pass rushes in the last five plays. Maybe this is one we can hold on to it longer.
Those things, they have to go in your head. And then protection schemes are the same thing.
But Philly's really good up front, so it's not just one guy. That's going to be the guy.
Obviously, they're going to circle and say we need to know where he is on every play. But big loss for the commanders.
But the other equalizers, just Daniels and the way he moves, man. He's so cool and calm back there.
Escaping the pocket is obviously one of the best things that he does, and then when he escapes up inside, taking off and going. I decided we had that Thursday night game, but to look more at the last game that they played, I think Jaden Daniels was a little injured kind of in the middle of the season.
I don't if it was a rib or something but it just looked like something was going on so that last game i just watched it again this morning uh from week 16 was unbelievable obviously five touchdown passes but he ran for 81 yards as well that's going to be a huge factor in the game and then just confused at why the eagles didn't run the ball more in the second half yeah it just it was kind of a weird game plan after uh jalen hurts went down but the commanders are going to have to score a bunch of points to win this game but the great thing about that is they're explosive and they can and they've showed it and they've scored 40 points a bunch of times this year they just did it versus Detroit yeah is is um is Jalen Hurts good I think he's good good question but I well there's sometimes where I don't know but I I do if you ask me come to your head like Jalen Hurts is good but then sometimes I watch him I'm like wait Yeah, I mean, you know, you get in trouble for making quarterback there.

I do all the time, especially now that I'm new to Twitter.

Oh, my God.

The Eagles fans hate me.

I saw you did.

I saw you got roasted for saying Justin Herbert's a top 10 quarterback.

Yeah, I think I said he's a top eight, but not a top five.

He's not on the Mount Rushmore at the top four.

Oh, my God. But it's also like then there's restraint of i don't i'm not going to do a victory lap i'm not rooting against the guy and i hate that you know he had the playoff game that he had and they lost but but i with jalen hurts i i go back to the game in the super bowl versus the chiefs yep he had one fumble but other than that lights out that whole game.
On the biggest stage, he was unbelievable. I think they have struggled a little bit in the rhythm passing game.
I think when he has to throw the ball over the middle and not to the outsides, that's where he struggles a little bit more. But he's an elite go-ball thrower.
He's got a great deep ball. They've obviously got two guys that can go and get it, but the addition of Saquon, you know, it just plays into the strengths of what he is as well.
Like Jalen hurts is an elite runner and you know, he's, we'll see what happens with his knee and how healthy he is when he comes out. But Jalen hurts is the perfect quarterback for that system, right? The system they're in.
Yeah. That's okay.
That's I like that answer. like that answer because, again, I do think he's good.
It's just there are times it's more, I guess, the Eagles' offense at times is like, what am I watching? Because I expect more because they have so much talent everywhere between their offensive line and their outside guys in Saquon. But there's guys, there's quarterbacks, and I think we all know who they are.
You know, we have our top four with Burrow, Allen, Mahomes and Lamar. Jane Daniels is now in this conversation of you could pick them up and drop them in any situation in the NFL and they're going to be elite.
And then there's other guys that you could sprinkle around and put them in the right systems. And I think two is like that.
I think Brock's like that. I think Jalen's's probably like that where if you get them in the right spot then they can be as good as anybody but you can't necessarily pick them up and drop them in any situation and have them be elite i think that's fair yeah i think it's fair people are gonna be very angry at you though i'm gonna get slugged i know i'm gonna get you put them in with with tua and brock purdy uh that's sending out a signal to Eagles fans.
Those are good quarterbacks. Like, attack me, please.
Max, what are your thoughts? Those are good quarterbacks, Max. No, I'm fine with what he just said.
I think that makes sense. He didn't say he's a—the rest of the media world right now is painting Jalen Hurts to be the worst quarterback in the NFL.
I think he's good. There's never been a team that has more bulletin board material while also being the Super Bowl favorites of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Well, they're Super Bowl favorites not because they're the best. They're not viewed as the best team.
What did I just say? They're most likely to make the Super Bowl out of all four teams. The Chiefs and the Bills have to play each other.
That's why the odds are for the Eagles to be Super Bowl favorites. I said whatite.
And wouldn't that be giving bulletin board material to the commanders?

Correct.

Yeah.

No, no.

If you go around and see what people are saying.

Ryan, just hold on a second, Ryan.

We're having a conversation over here.

That's on me.

I'm fine.

I don't know how many people have made this comparison,

and I'll just dig myself a deeper hole.

But what do you think about the Jalen Hurts and Russell Wilson, like a young Russell Wilson comparison? Oh, I don't hate that. That's fair.
Russell Wilson was good. He was great.
He was good. He's still like, they're elite goalball throwers.
They throw it great down the field. They're also both very good runners, especially young Russ, and they win.
Yeah. I like that.
And I don't think that the Eagles are going to have Jalen Hurts throw a slant route at the one-yard line in the Super Bowl. That's tush-push.
Imagine if they didn't tush-push. That would be incredible.
That would be the worst mistake ever. Yeah.
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So in watching Saquon Barkley, I think that the commanders have done a decent job. Nobody does a great job of stopping Saquon.
You can't really stop him, especially when that offensive line gets moving to the side and they start going downhill. How do you limit his big plays? Is it possible? I don't know that it's possible.
I think you do go into this game saying, all right, the main focus is going to be on Saquon, but that means you're going to have one-on-ones on the outside. And like I just said, he's an elite goalball thrower.
So with Devontae Smith and AJ Brown on the outside, it makes it difficult. So it's a pick your poison type thing, but I would go into the game saying that, I mean, you have to stop Saquon.
That being said, you know, the other way you combat that is you possess the ball. and when you have fourth and six or less, you go for it on offense, which is the formula that Washington has pretty much used all year in being really aggressive on fourth down.
And then they've got to light up the scoreboard. They know going into this game, this isn't going to be the same game that the Buffalo Kansas City game is.
That game is going to be 24 to 23, 27-22, whatever it's going to be. This one, in order for Washington to win the game, they've got to score 30-plus points and maybe 40 to win this game.
Yeah, I've been doing a lot of reading about Jaden recently and his use of virtual reality and how he started doing that at LSU. And so that's a very important part of his prep at LSU.
That's what kind of changed his whole momentum around was he started doing this virtual reality stuff for like 45 minutes, an hour, three days a week, where he would get reps in against a simulated defense. And it allowed him to see and think a lot quicker when he was playing on Saturdays.
And the commanders invested in that same company. And now he's just like, he's living in the metaverse three days a week.
And by the time he hits the field on Sunday, he's ready to go. Have you tried using the virtual reality stuff? I did.
They started to incorporate it a little bit, um, into the NFL my last few years and I didn't like it at all. Um, it just, I think maybe it's just what he's grown up with.
But, yeah, it's obviously working. Maybe I should have done it more.
But he also has that thing where if he doesn't like what he sees, he just takes off and runs and nobody can catch him, which is really effective too. Yeah.
Did you have that? That's a pretty good strategy. Yeah.
But between the way that he throws the deep ball and the way that he processes, there's one play in particular in that last game. It's cover zero.
He's got two guys free coming at him. And every quarterback in the league, you're taking the flat route.
You're throwing it at your hot throw. You've got an unblock guy.
He just takes two more steps back. The hot throw is covered.
And then he finds ertz on a seven route to the outside he throws it three steps before ertz is out of his break right in stride and it's like what planet is this guy from you know between the athleticism his ability to throw it accurately and now his ability to process the you know the calmness the poise under pressure it's it's unbelievable and something we haven't seen recently yeah it's from the metaverse yeah i gotta ask you a question about uh your twitter account because and this was like a month ago but i was heavily invested in an ongoing saga that you had oh i was gonna ask the same question yeah i'm happy you're bringing this up you got a shot putt ball stuck in a golf hole and you couldn't get it out i guess my first question is why do you have a shot puck ball? Yeah, so it's the first time I got something stuck in a golf hole and you couldn't get it out i guess my first question is why do you have a shot putt ball yeah so it's the first time i got something stuck in a hole that i couldn't get it out and uh my brother lives next door so his son is becoming a shot putter and so his little shit five-year-old son brought the shot putt ball over to our backyard and thought it'd be fun to get it in the hole it literally was the perfect size it was the perfect size to where it couldn't have been any bigger and fit in there there was nothing i could do and i love your suggestion but i couldn't put any liquids in there because there's sand underneath the hole and it just would have dissipated underneath the hole. So it was an absolute saga that ended like you thought it would, which was brute force and just destroying the fake green and the hole.
But it was a fun two hours. I loved it because it was Harvard guy, Fitzy, trying to use all the brain power in the world, trying to problem solve this.
And at the end end of the day sometimes something as simple as a ball getting stuck in a hole you just have to you just have to be a man about it well that's i was hoping elon i was hoping elon was going to chime in you know like the submarine thing that he did and this whole spacex thing i don't know what he would have suggested my my three butter knives and two two by fours and trying to wedge it out of there didn't work i don't think my wife follows me on twitter i don't think she has an account so she doesn't know that the three butter knives got broken and are still missing yeah but it's going to come up one day for sure now she might be an awl yeah she listens i would have just uh i would have just covered up the hole made a new hole somewhere else and been like that's it. That hole's done.
Yeah, we're done with that one. That was my favorite suggestion that somebody made was like, when are you moving? Yeah.
Why not just be? Imagine the real estate agent being like, this is an incredible house, got great bones, but there's one thing we have to disclose before you sign. There's a shop put in the hole in the backyard.
like oh i don't think so yeah we're not buying this one i'll get the murder house down the street instead yeah it was it was an incredible saga um all right so uh do you have are you picking these games do you do you have i know that you want the bills i mean are we going to get maybe a ryan fitz Bills Commanders? That would be – would you be the bell of the ball? Maybe do the coin toss? BFT, you know, a lot of people are saying, you know, this is the most excitement they've had at quarterback in Washington since 2021. Yeah, I would agree.
That game against the Dolphins, man. Who can forget? Yeah.
So who – so now you guys kind of taught me this. I have my own podcast with Andrew Whitworth, and I just said that the Eagles were going to win.
But on here, can I say the Commanders are going to win? So then you can play both takes. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, good. So I think the Bills are going to win, and let's go with the Commanders.
Those Commanders in the Super Bowl. I love that's a really good call good pick yeah another question about the Chiefs-Bills game is there anything that Sean McDermott can do this week leading up to it where he's like because you don't want to play tentative but we obviously saw what happened with the Texans where they're going to call those flags or do you think maybe the NFL is like man we can't have these flags again so we're going to we're going to make sure that this game doesn't have another controversial call with Patrick Mahomes sliding or or running out of bounds late like how's that going to play out in your head well that so it was really funny the the second personal foul Patrick Mahomes when he kind of danced around and went down and got crunched by the two guys, I'm complaining like, oh my God, I can't believe he did that.
He's baiting him into getting the flag. And then my buddy next to me was like, yeah, but Josh does that sometimes too.
True. True.
But both these guys have learned how to weaponize that a little bit, which you try to take that out of the game in the off season. But do you know who the crew is? It's either Hockley or Cleet Blakeman maybe.
It's Cleet Blakeman for the AFC. Yeah.
Yeah. So the good thing is these are the best of the best.
So Cleet and his crew, they do a great job. They're obviously – you go into the game and as a head coach, you have a list of things you tell the refs beforehand.
They're going to say, hey, their tackles leave early. You know, Patrick Mahomes isn't running out of bounds.
You'll have that checklist of things that you're going to say, we want to alert you to these and vice versa. They'll do the same thing with the Bills.
But we got to just hope for the best. You know, these are the best crews that we have.
these guys both Hockely on the other side, other than being very long-winded and liking the spotlight like his father and Cleet Blakeman are both very good at what they do. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I just want the game to not have any of that bullshit.
And if it does, I hope it has it equally on both sides. I hope that they officiate the same way for Josh as they do for Patrick.
And in that event, you can just be like, well, it washed out. Yeah.
And speaking of calls, the last time the Commanders and the Eagles played, Lattimore, was it like three pass interferences on A.J. Brown? Yep.
I mean, yeah, it just kept happening. So hopefully that ends up a little bit better for him this time too he did look a lot better last week he he was a big part of that defense and how they were able to limit some of the big plays to the lines uh so i i i like the commander secondary and a shocking twist as the season has progressed i love mikey sandra still and marshawn latimore is playing a lot better and jeremy chin is back there just hitting the fuck out of people so yeah he is so i'm i'm okay with where we're at i never thought we'd be a great defense this year i just wanted us to be kind of middle of the road and i think we've we've officially reached that tier so well i'm okay and if you're middle of the road on defense you got to create turnovers right you gotta you gotta have some big plays because even you know going back to the Buffalo game this last weekend, their defense played good.
They didn't play great, but they got three turnovers. And that was the huge difference in the game.
So it's like you think back to the Mark Andrews had a catch. He was wide open.
Nobody was near him. And then they're driving down to score, but Terrell Bernard comes and punches that ball out so opportunistic you know that's going to be the big word for these defenses because i would say kansas city and philly probably have the two best defenses that are left but the bills have been very opportunistic this year and the way they force turnovers and washington's going to need the same thing versus philly this weekend yeah i had one more question for you about the bills because you you danced around the nfl a bit.
You had a lot of flings. You had a lot of one-night stands in the NFL.
But the Bills, they were like your long-term relationship. And you settled in nicely there.
They paid you a good amount of money. That must have been pretty cool.
But it feels like the Bills fans have a different place in your heart from everybody else in the NFL. What was the moment where you realized that Bills fans are different and you really like this place? Well, I'll say my favorite moment as a Bill

was 2011, which was my third year there. And early in the season, we beat the Patriots at home.

And that was when I think people on the team that were new really understood what the mafia is

Thank you. and that was when I think people on the team that were new really understood what the Mafia is and how much football means to them because we hadn't beat the Patriots in forever.
It had been forever. Tom Brady obviously owned the Bills, owned the division forever, and the appreciation after that game and the tears and the joy from all the fans, was a moment that i'll never forget where it was like all right i can mess with these guys like this is this is these are my dudes these are my people and there's also just you know flying back there uh for sunday it's like the weather is shitty you know um you don't know if it's gonna snow two feet feet or two inches the wind's blowing it's cold but everybody's out there in the parking lot with a smile on their face because they live for bills football and the bills went 10 and 0 at home this year yeah so they rewarded them with a great season yeah yeah i mean it's the best we've we've made a couple trips obviously to buffalo and we love josh and and their their fan base their fan base is – it's just the passion and pride in Buffalo.
It's really cool to see. And they're also like – if you just laid out what fan base likes to drink beer and eat wings and fart in their Zubas, it's a good life.
It's a good life. Do you guys see the belt in the background here yeah yeah so this guy was in our section he came over i had my three boys with me 17 16 and five and he's like falling over he's dressed like macho man randy savage and he gave my five-year-old that belt and he was so excited and then later he came one of his buddies came back because i think he was fairly inebriated and he was like hey can my friend have his belt back um and i was like hey i'm sorry my five-year-old was clutching and he slept with it last night you know i'm like look i can get you another belt but i don't think we're gonna get it away from him you gave it to him yeah you can't you take him taking that away from a five-year-old at a game it's like you just basically should just get back in the car because you're going home anyway.
That would be Meltdown City. All right, so Ryan, I got one last question.
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So you mentioned everyone should go listen to your podcast with uh andrew whitworth how has it been a year into you know or a season into podcasting do you have a newfound respect for guys like us who've been in the in the podcast minds for a decade plus now i do i'd love to pick your brain at some point we haven't had any guests yet we we've just kind of i think it's been easier because thursday night football you know talking about our adventures uh talking about all these games as soon as the season ends we're gonna be in a dark place i don't know what to talk about we're not interesting i mean but i guess the season you know football lives on throughout the year but it's been a lot of fun i've enjoyed i was hesitant for a while but i think i found the right guy in wit yeah we're we're best buddies he's such an impressive dude um you know very thoughtful very insightful and then you know i just enjoy hanging out with him he's a family guy he's got four kids i've got seven so that part of it's been really fun too seven kids yeah you've gotten things stuck in holes before yeah yeah yeah seven different women too which is not a good uh what's just kidding just kidding love your lies yeah everyone everyone do listen to fits and wit uh you can listen anywhere what what is last question what is the uh amount of kids where like it becomes enough where they can just fend for themselves because i i have three and i feel like three is a bad number where it's like they're they all are relying on me and i don't have enough of an age difference where like the oldest can just take care of the youngest yeah and then it depends too like if your oldest is a boy or a girl boy or a girl, because a 17 year old boy is not as good as an 11 year old girl in terms of taking care of younger kids. I mean, the boys are selfish.
They're into their cell phones and their friends and sports and farting in their zoo bars, like you said. So I think for us, once we got to four,

that was a pretty good number.

But really, when we made the decision to go from six to seven,

that's when you don't fit in a car anymore.

And you've got to go with like a weird,

kids actually call our van the kidnapper van.

So when you've got to go, it's like the weird kidnapper van

when you have 12 seats and you can kind of bring all their friends

to the soccer games and basketball games. That's where we're at right now.
That's crazy. You've become a nonprofit organization.
Yeah. You're doing church meetups, like going and picking people up.
We do have two drivers now. So now we're in a whole different realm where, hey, go pick up your sister from soccer practice.
Go take your friend or your son to the birthday party. That's nice.
Yeah. Okay.
And to the point about the podcast, I think what you're doing, it's not having guests might be a good thing for you guys. Because the listeners want to hear the relationship develop between you.
And then they get like they feel like they're part of a little family. And then you can slowly add on guests after that in the offseason.

Okay, cool.

Sometimes in May, June, there's not a lot to talk about.

Then you start mixing in guests as a treat.

But yeah, no, your podcast is great.

And I love watching.

I love listening to it.

So congratulations.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Hey, do you know who the long snapper for the Commanders is?

The long snapper for the Commanders is-

I hate to put you on the spot like this. It's it's not cheeseman it used to be cheese man used to be cheeseman yeah he's gone he was there when i was there but tyler ott okay do you know where he went to college i do not harvard we got a harvard boy snapping long That's why you guys have the advantage.
Yeah.

Okay.

That's huge.

That's huge.

The snaps have been really good this year.

I don't think.

If you don't know his name, that means they've been great.

I've been great.

I just jinxed it right there.

I should have said that.

They did.

Point for Max.

Yeah.

Point for Max.

All right.

Well, Ryan, thank you so much for coming on, man.

We love having you on.

And hopefully, maybe we see you in New Orleans.

We'll be there for the whole week.

So we've got to catch up. All right right we'll see you there all right guys stavi's gonna be brought to you by dove men's what better guest to be sponsored by dove men's we should send them a care package of this stuff yes if you're preparing to host game day celebrations you might have some possible whole body odor related issues maybe you're afraid to take your shoes off maybe you just don't want your guests to take your shoes off because you're afraid what their feet are going to smell like.
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Okay, before we get to Stabi, just a quick note. The first eight minutes of the interview, not the best audio.
It comes in fine. We cleaned it up.
Riverside riverside which we use all the time which shout out to people at riverside usually uh no issues we had a little bit issue here it gets better after eight minutes but it's still uh max and everyone on the team cleaned up the first eight minutes so it should be good but just wanted to note that uh it does get better eight minutes in and it's stop you baby all right here he is okay we now welcome on our very very good friend it is uh stavros halkius stavi baby you can listen to him on stavi's world you can see his comedy he's on tour he's got a new movie uh but is baltimore ravens lost again in the playoffs. And I love you, Stav.

And I didn't want to ask.

I waited 24 hours, but it was your appearance last year

after they lost in the AFC Championship game was so goddamn funny.

And our fans loved it so much.

Fuck you, guys.

Fuck you, guys.

Shut the fuck up.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

No, you're not.

All right. You're right.
You're right. I see you eating grin, you motherfucker.
How the fuck up. I'm sorry, but you're right.
You're right. You motherfucker.
Wait a second. I'm in fucking Chicago.
I'm like, hey, guys, I got a fucking movie. Can I do the fucking show? I don't hear.
Hey, we can fucking put you on a list. I get my fucking team loses.
I go through a break I immediately get a fucking text you pieces of shit fuck you guys that's not fully true fuck you you said you were gonna come back to do PMT fuck you shut the fuck up I know what you fucking motherfuckers want Stavi when I saw you first you, first of all, I went to your movie, which was very, very funny.

You did, thank you. Appreciate the invite.

You did.

And we agreed afterwards, next time you're in town, let's get you on PMT.

The schedule didn't match up.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I'm mad, and I'm taking it out on you.

Okay.

So how are you feeling?

Bad, big cat. Okay.
Let's are you feeling? Bad, big cat.

Okay.

Let's talk it out.

Am I?

I'm sorry.

Am I echoing?

Is something weird happening?

The mic's cutting out just like a little bit.

Cutting out a little bit, but I think because it's Riverside, it'll be fine.

What do we got, Max?

Yeah, I think he's just peaking.

Oh, you're just peaking because you're yelling too much.

All right.

So, okay.

So let's talk it out. I mean, that sucked yes it did it was fucking brutal it was like i don't fucking know dude i don't even know what to fucking say so at the end of the month they're going to do the nfl honors ceremony lamar jackson might get another mvp is that going to feel good at all for you to watch that i'm not one of these motherfuckers that thinks lamar was the problem at all look that fucking interception was a duck that was crazy he fucking threw a quarter of his season's interceptions in this fucking game he was fucking awesome he throws like a no disrespect jamis style interception where it's like who the fuck was even throwing to that like? Like I thought I was having a stroke.
The fucking build guy just caught it. Like he was fair catching.
I couldn't believe that, but it's like, okay, he got that shit out of his system. Whatever.
He comes back when it fucking matters. It's slippery.
What are the, what do you want from the guys from Florida? He doesn't know fucking snow. You've seen his fucking high school highlights.
It's humid, but it's not cold. The fucking ball slipped out of his hand.
Okay. And then at the fucking end, he takes them down.
We get the touchdown, throws it to Andrews. And I feel bad for Andrews too, because he's fucking good.
But that's a tough one, man. You do have to catch that one.
Plus the fumble. Again, I feel bad for him.
But it's like this what three fucking turnovers and we couldn't we were in that game that was he didn't play bad yeah and then the fucking why the fuck did we throw the ball and when we were with first and goal where the fuck did we run it four times are all the whole well that's the kind of fucking team we are fucking derrick henry what What the fuck did we break Derrick Henry in for if we're fucking goal line and they're not going to throw him the fucking ball? Can somebody explain that to me? It's the only time in my life I wish Greg Roman was our fucking offensive coordinator. That fucking – you know that cocksucker would have ran it four times.
He doesn't even know how to pass this playbook. But Todd Munkin got fucking cute.
When we least needed it you fuck! And then, if we score that touchdown, a whole different fucking game! A whole different fucking game. Dude, I don't fuck.
It was just like... It was bad.
I keep like... It's...
We were good! We didn't even deserve to lose! We were fucking and where the fuck was the when we're playing Pittsburgh I feel like every play TJ TJ Watts tackling a fucking running back that we tricked those dumb asses into thinking he was going to get the ball and then Lamar where the fuck was that we've that's our superpower that's what makes Lamar as like even better than the best than jock allen for example it's like yeah he can throw the ball yeah he can run but also these motherfuckers don't even know how to defend against a run defense where the fuck did that go i didn't see now maybe i missed it you guys are fucking you guys have the keen eyes that i don't i don't you guys are bigger football guys than me. I am a football guy but I don't watch fucking Maxion

or whatever the fuck. So maybe I miss

one of those fucking plays. First of all

you are a football guy. Don't ever

put yourself down like that. I don't like

that. We needed that.
Thank you.

The Lamar thing is tough because

he is

so god damn

good in the regular season

that everyone expects

that in the playoffs

and he has not played at the so goddamn good level in the playoffs. So it's like it's his own doing that everyone expects this level of otherworldly quarterback play.
And the two turnovers, I mean, that fumble was huge. Mark Andrews' fumble was the thing that changed the

whole game, but I

don't know. I mean, I guess I would, to try

to cheer you, like, you're still a good team

and you gotta just go

back at it, right? Yeah,

I guess. And look, I know

the, like, yes, that fumble was fucking huge

and, but that is the exact reason Lamar can't

have two turnovers, because as the

fucking leader, yeah, your boys are going to fuck up, right? And you're the one who has to make up for that. I get that.
And you're right. Never played to the standard that he plays when we're, when we're beating, you know, whatever that game, we beat Cincinnati with him and Joe Burr doing that duel.
He didn't play to that. I get that to, you know, to suck PFT stock.
He didn't play as good as a rookie. You know what I mean? Like Jane, it's tough to even be like, that's the tough counter argument.
And I hate how happy it's going to make you know, to suck PFT's stock. He didn't play as good as a rookie.
You know what I mean? Like, Jayden, it's tough to even be like, that's the tough counter argument, and I hate how happy this is going to make you, where it's like, Lamar is the man, but some fucking rookie with his skill set, not as good a player yet, if ever, probably not as good, but like had the fucking mentality to just, and he wasn't, whatever. He's playing a fucking dome, actually.
Actually He's actually, fuck you. It was the elements that got to him.
I love that. I love that.
Stavi. You were, you were a second away from giving it.
And you're like, no, no, I'm not, I'm not wrong. You're wrong.
Fuck you. If he was, if we were in a fucking dome, whole different ballgame.
PST, fuck you. But this is the exact conversation we're having about Peyton Manning.

Yes, would you rather have Tom Brady?

Sure.

But a cool Peyton Manning that fucking makes guys miss and is electrifying,

and I still have to watch football every week.

That's how you know it's a bad loss because I'm fucking Buddhist now.

And it's got me thinking about, well, I'd rather be them than you, for example,

Big Cat.

Yes.

Now I'm like, fuck Ben Johnson. I'm like, everything's going to go bad for everybody else.
Fraud. Too many fucking flea flickers.
Enjoy that fucking pick he's going to throw. Caleb's going to fucking throw next year.
Fuck you guys. Fuck! How the fuck do we lose? And like, you didn't lose to the Chiefs.
That's a little bit of a solace. Not if the Chiefs win the fucking Super Bowl I know So are you going to be rooting for the Bills this weekend? That's the hard thing Because I have a lot of friends who are Bills fans It's a fat city Okay I'm rooting Maliciously against the Kansas City Chiefs And I'm.
There's no malice with the Bills.

It is like a...

I like Buffalo.

In the NFC, I could give a fuck.

I mean, you know, whatever.

Who cares?

Whoever it is, beat the fucking...

I don't know.

Just beat...

Whoever it does, it beats the Chiefs.

It sucks.

Every time...

It won't be as bad as last year. Last year destroyed me.
Yeah. I was fucking like, I mean, literally, after the Super Bowl, here's what a bender I went on.
I mean, you have proof of it. I've been sober since the Super Bowl.
After that bender, I was like, what am I doing with my life? I have not smoked weed, drank, taken pills, nothing because I was so depressed after the Ravens lost to the Chiefs. So it literally put me into sobriety.
That loss fucked me up so bad. I watched it.
I was in Baltimore. I had to watch stupid fucking red confetti fall on M&T Bank Stadium.
It sucked dick. So on some level, nothing is as devastating as that yeah especially like we're away from the super bowl but like fuck dude we were so good yeah our offense was so fucking and then the defense which was you know took some while to fucking come around we were looking pretty good there's you know a couple guys will get fucking torched every once in a while but for the, you know, shout out to fucking Zach or he's he's figured the shit out.
He's cool. I like our I like our guys.
I do. But then I'm also, you know, salary cap.
I haven't looked into it. I'm a team never stays good this long.
I'm sure we're in for some bullshit departure and we're a good organization. I get it, whatever.
But fuck, dude, you know how it is. You got to win if you have if you're if you're this good a team you gotta fucking win and i'm happy to have lamar for the rest i don't want him ever going anywhere don't get me wrong and we will be good as long as we have him but fuck every 12 years that's the pact we signed with satan it's the perfect amount it is every 12 sixth grade i was in sixth grade I was 25 it's like it's the perfect space out bro it is yeah it is because it's like that's enough time where you're wanting more it's a new it's a new team you're like oh this could when you're doing your numerology did you ever take into account the fact that it's it's only happened twice so it's not really that much of a pattern it just happened twice before as it had it happened only twice, but how long have the fucking Ravens been a franchise? It's pretty quick after that.
You fuck. Yeah, I'm just saying it's only like if it was three times, then you could say, yeah, it's every 12 years.
I think it was the 28-year-old quarterback thing. Yeah, the 28-year-old quarterback thing was what I, because I saw that stat and I was like, whoa, this is real.
It was two pieces of numerology. Thank you, Big Cat.
Yes.

I got you. Fucking statistics over there, PFT.
Fuck you. I'm just saying, like, any team that won two Super Bowls, you could be like, yeah.
Or if you're a Cubs fan, you could be like, yeah, the Cubs win a World Series every 102 years or whatever the fuck it was. Two pieces of numerology.
Yeah. I'll order two.
How do you feel about Harbaughugh now i mean i ride with harbaugh but it is a little like because here's the real shit we shouldn't have been playing in fucking buffalo i know why the fuck did we lose to the raiders i mean i mean you look through our fucking schedule it's like what the fuck man like why were we penal i mean look the first game hey remember that lining up away from the fucking center call that we got 15 fucking times opening night did you see that called fucking once after that i mean these motherfuckers it was literally like make up a rule so the ravens lose to the fucking chiefs i didn't see that shit all reason called on the ravens it happened only in Whatever. We'll take that one aside.
But it's like we were a fucking penalized team. Weirdly, it's shit that's like poorly coached shit where it's like, why are we beating ourselves? Why do we almost lose to the fucking shitty Cowboys? Why the fuck did we like? Why? Why are we not ready to play? And our defense, like you could blame it on new coordinator.
You know, it was hard to lose. It was hard to lose fucking McDonald.
But, like, by the end of the season, we'd figure that out. We figured our defense out.
It was all the early. It was not the defensive coordinator, the new defensive coordinator that was the problem.
It was overall coaching shit. And I do love Harbaugh.
but it is like it's not he's not he's in no way is he on a hot seat but it's like it ain't cold no more you know what i mean it's like let's now i think i took out the thermometer i'm looking at thermometers on amazon i haven't even bought it yet but it's like if i need at some point to see the temperature of his seat i'm at least seeing what best. I'm reading reviews on the best thermometer to see how hot the seat is.
So we're very far away. But it is poorly coached shit.
It is like, why the fuck are we? This is the whole point of a like doesn't call plays, doesn't do shit. He's like a fucking he's that traditional old school.
I'm just managing everything, coach coach and it's like well how the fuck do we lose a lot of games because of penalties if that's the fucking case yeah you know what i mean and it's like if we're at home i don't think we lose that game who knows about next week right whatever but i don't think we fucking lose at home honestly you got to become just a full-time dome guy like what's the league doing allowing buffalo to build a stadium it's dangerous it gets so cold up there the snow and i have that's another thing that's how bad this loss was where i'm like we're playing outside what is this the fucking 1910s what the fuck are we doing let's oh let's play the nba finals on a fucking blacktop next year like it's it's got me being like, it's crazy to have snow games. What are we talking about? The elements can't make that much of a fucking, you know, can't fuck the outcome up.
Even though that's crazy, snow football is cool. But it's got me considering shit like that.
Yeah, you're changing your world. All right, so listen, it sucked.
Let's think positives. One, I want to say here and now, because I believe that Lamar will win a Super Bowl at some point.
I think so too. Thank you.
I think he will win a Super Bowl at some point. This is just, it's been shitty, but like he's too good.
I just think he'll win a Super Bowl. When he wins a Super Bowl, I'm not saying if, when he wins a Super Bowl for the Ravens, you will be our Monday guest that right after

the Super Bowl. You deserve that.

Thank you.

Even if they go to a Super Bowl, we'll

have you on after the championship's

round. Also,

you're crushing it in life.

You made a movie. Your

podcast is huge. Your stand-up

is huge. You got it all

right now. You're probably getting mad bitches.

I suppose, Big Cat, but you know how it goes, man.

Yeah.

No, it sucks.

There's nothing worse.

The week after a bad loss, it's just like you start to question why.

You start to look at the rest of your life, and you're like,

I have so much shit going for me.

Why do I put so much into a game?

I know. And here's the other thing.
The reason I say I'm not as big a football guy is because there was moments in my life where I was like, do I have to watch this every Sunday? Who cares? And then Lamar gets drafted. And it was like I was back in harder than I've ever fucking been.
I was like, I couldn't believe he fell to us.

It's really, and it's like, why?

Why, you motherfucker?

Why couldn't we have drafted fucking Mitch Trubisky?

You know what I mean? Then I'd be having good times on Sunday.

I'd be fucking at brunch with my pals.

I wouldn't give a fuck, but I'm back in because I love Lamar so much,

and it's hard, man. I want to be free, big cat, but I don't think I ever will be.
I don't think I ever will be. And I do want to.
I do want to not be a fan of anything. But unfortunately, this bullshit makes me so sad.
I know. I think about that, like how cool it would be to just be like, watch the Super Bowl, like turn it on and just be like, oh, this is cool.
First time I'm seeing these two teams this year. Be the guy that doesn't know the rule changes at the Super Bowl.
Everyone else explains it to you. Yeah.
Oh, is that Patrick Mahomes? He's won a couple of these, right? Shit like that. It'd be nice.
You're like, guys, turn the volume up. There's a Doritos commercial.
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Yeah a sport uh sports ball guy yeah oh the gate oh the sports is on tv huh and then just look down your nose at everybody yeah yeah it would be nice i'm sorry savvy it breaks my heart to see you happy for you i am happy for you that was awesome yes it's cool but i i understand what you're saying like if you're if you're looking at the eagles and the commanders you probably do want to see the eagles win because you don't want to see my lamar get to super bowl i get i get it just copied you copied me dude you your own lamar that's bullshit yeah you copy and paste it a lamar bullshit dude fuck you no um i don't know and it's it's also like it's also the dc thing with baltimore where it's like dc is a bunch of fucking i know you're from virginia but dc is a bunch of fucking nerds it's a bunch of fucking losers that want to be in politics it's like every s every like student government president tattletale lanyard wearing motherfucker is a dc fan that's that town sucks dick you know that's where they did pizza you know it's like we're billionaires molest children with the president and it's like i gotta watch that team fucking win i gotta watch that team fucking win you know and philly at least is like they are our white trash cousin there's so much similarity to philadelphia and baltimore that it's like i don't know there's a little of me is like, it would have hurt me to have to face Philly in the fuck. It's like a battle of, it's like the civil war.
It would have been a battle of brothers. It's the Hatfield and McCoys.
Yeah. Anyway, who knows, man? I just, I can't have the fucking chiefs win and they will.
They fucking will. Cause that's how the world works.
Cause we're in a time where evil prevails. Everything is going bad.
Fucking Mark Zuckerberg is on TRT stealing all our fucking information as we fucking speak. They're rolling back civil rights shit.
The fucking Chiefs are going to win again. We're fucked.
Nothing good is ever going to come. We got to hope for President Travis fucking...
Travis. Whatever the fuck.
Travis Kelsey Jr. The only way we'll fucking have a...
Yeah, he'll be president. Him and Taylor Swift's son will be elected God Emperor of America in fucking 35 years, dude.
Yeah, well, Savi, I mean, I want to tell you that it gets better. At least you have your health.
Look what a better place you are right now. They're still good.
We're still good. But this is tough.
Coming off these two back-to-back. I know.
That's the tough thing. It's like we are good.
And that's what – we are still – you know what this is like? It's like you have the best girlfriend of all time. Everything's great.
And she just gets drunk, sucks one guy off. I can get past it.
I can get past it because everything else is perfect and it was maybe a one-time thing. But when it's dark and I'm in my room alone, I'm imagining her sucking that guy's dick.
You know what I mean? And that's what this was. The fumble is sucking a guy's dick.
The drop is sucking a guy's dick. Not running for it on fucking second and goal is sucking a guy's dick.
And I have to think about that even though I love my wife, the Ravens, she sucked the guy's cock in Cabo and I have to fucking live with that. And you know what, Jack? He did it two years in a row.
And it's on thin ice now, now that I think about it.

Yeah.

And next year, you're going to be going back to Cabo.

And you're like, God damn it.

We have to win.

I can't let her out of my sights.

Next year, like, I guess we're just swingers now.

He's got a gun.

Next year, it's going to go bad.

I was actually saying on the Yak earlier, you know how they're flagging gun celebrations gotta do it you know how they uh they flag gun celebrations now in college in the? Yeah. Would they have flagged Mark Andrews after he dropped the ball if he took out a fake gun and shot himself? That would have been awesome, actually.
If he just unloaded the clip in his own head, like, do you flag that or you're just like, all right, fair play, man. It's not taunting.
Yeah. Unless you're including like the trauma that the defense would go through watching you shoot yourself.
Yeah. I want to see someone do it.
I want to see someone do it. That would be good.
Like a kicker misses a big kick. You're just like, oh, a shotgun in the mouth.
His holder takes out the shotgun and hands it to him. He just commits seppuku.
Oh, man. That would be awesome.
All right. Well, Stav, I got one last question for you thank you though for coming on you are you are a hero i did wait 24 hours i did i did i appreciate i did turn to pft in the gambling cave as the game was ending and i was like i think i'm gonna text stavi and i was like but i'm gonna wait 24 hours so i did wait 24 hours appreciate that and you know what you waited 24 hours but it's like in my mind you texted me the moment the game ended yeah yeah but it has been so painful um but uh all right so roback question rhopack.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies jockers shorts i'm still laughing about you taking out a gun there uh all right let's talk positive what do you got going on you're coming to chicago in april so we'll see you i want you guys to be there chicago yeah chicago theater please come out yeah i have a huge tour coming out the the dream boat tour uh it's like over 40 cities we're doing a tour bus it's gonna be a big a big time tour uh i'm very excited about that please buy tickets to see me i won't kill myself if some of those if those out.
And, yeah, that's – I mean, it's the tour. The movie, Let's Start a Cult is available on demand, and we're working to get it on Hulu pretty soon.
And, yeah, Stavi's World. I really want people to come see me live.
It's a good show. It's a fun show a fun show i promise um and yeah watch the movie we have we have the the um the podcast that's that's pretty much it man i'm gearing up for basically three months of being on the road it's going to be it's going to be really fucking fun the torso uh april 18th he's gonna be in madison and then he's coming down to chicago april 19th two shows at chicago theater i I might just invite myself to go up to Madison see you there and then hop on the bus with you dude that'd be fun you're welcome you're welcome to do that absolutely yeah we would love to have you yeah we'll definitely yeah we'll be out in Chicago buy tickets see the movie if you want to see Stavi's balls see this movie you do There is plenty of nudity, my nudity on that motherfucker for sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, that's it. So go to Stavi.biz for the rest of the dates.
That's Chicago and Madison, but I start February 21st in Sacramento, and then we end May 11th or May 12th in DC. So it's literally like we're doing the West coast, the South, the Midwest, and then we're going to come back and hit more of the East coast in the fall.
But yeah, Stavi. Biz.
That's pretty much it. Yeah.
Thanks guys. I actually do feel better.
Good. Having spoken to you, getting it out for real.
At least it wasn't festering for two weeks. I last last year, I really was depressed for two straight weeks.
Yeah, it's that was bad because it's Vegas and everything. And just to put a bow on it, we stop.
He did. When he came here last time, he was like, I'm going to be back in a week.
So I'll come on. I know.
I know. I was like, I remember I was like, fuck, did we? No, no, no, no, no.
By by the way those guys are funny no shots at them it was just you know of course I get the quick we can move some shit around when the Ravens lose I did say my text to him was literally like hey can you come you come on tomorrow? We can do any time.

I know.

I last minute even said I moved it two hours just to see how open you really were.

And you're like, no problem, man.

We'll figure it out.

We got it, dude.

We'll stay here till midnight.

We could have talked about anything on this podcast.

We weren't necessarily just going to talk about the Ravens.

Yeah, you started talking about the Ravens.

We didn't even want to bring it up.

Right, right. It had just been too long, huh? Fuck, guys.
All right, we love you, man. Thank you so much.
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Soup season? Well, yes, it is. Basketball? Basketball, soup season.
I'll take those answers. That's right.
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Pardon your take time.

Hank.

Yeah.

If everyone's memories were erased and all sports were introduced to the world in the Olympics, what do you think would be the new most popular sport in the world? Football. Oh, good question.
I want to say football. But it's going to be flag football, right? Maybe flag football.
But that guy's better than Patrick Mahomes. That 5'7 quarterback we have.

Monster trucks would be pretty sick.

I feel like basketball.

Why?

Just athletic.

Yeah, but football rocks.

Football does not rock in the Olympics.

Honestly.

The question is, your memory's got to race in your first exposure to sports is the Olympics.

It's the Olympics. I think the answer for somebody that's never seen sports before would be boxing.
Boxing would be pretty sick. You'd be like, holy shit, these guys are just beating the fuck out of each other.
Yeah. Boxing would be pretty sick.
Boxing, basketball, 100-meter dash. I don't know.
The Olympics are kind of boring if you thought that was the only sport you you had speed walking they got rid of it that that's electric dancing yeah if we did great dancing but if we did it right now speed walking is the funniest by far rugby rugby be up there rugby because it's not flag rugby it's it's full-on rugby yeah hockey if did Winter Olympics. Hockey would be enormous.
Because I think it would still be less about the individual sports to be team sports. People would still want to get behind that.
I think if they used real swords, fencing. Yep.
Yep. Or if they used guns for duels and stuff.
I know they shoot targets. That would be pretty cool.
ski jumping that shit's wild when i watch that it blows my mind every time i feel like people would be pretty into ski jumping just being like how far because like the premise of ski jumping is is cool in its own right like it's it's uh almost like a activity you would do when you're seven years old in terms of like how how I go off this jump with my bike, except for skis. So I feel like ski jumping would have a good run.
It's also just an insane sport because you should die if you jump that far on skis off a mountain. Correct.
Not so much as a take, but more of a question. I didn't write this, by the way.
Where the fuck do Philly fans get off acting like they're in the sports mecca of the world? Max is able to talk trash with all confidence. A baseball team that has been around 100 years with two World Series wins, the last one 16 years ago.
A basketball team who hasn't won since the 80s. And a football team that's won once since the merger.
He wants to talk about winners? Philly is the best team at being second. They're the most prideful, obnoxious fans who literally have dick to show for it.
So seriously, where does he get off? When have I ever said that I'm a winner? Didn't you call Philly the city of champions? City of champions loading. That was what, five years ago? I said loading.
Loading. Did you just write this? I am a loser.
How many times do I have to come on this fucking show And tell every person who's listening That I'm a fucking loser Hank, just two weeks ago You were just yelling at me Because I was fucking like a loser I didn't write the question You said the question like you wrote the question I specifically said I did not write this question That's a fact, he did say that But he didn't mean it Max, this week we're winners This week we're gonna fucking run the ball of pft's dick hole let's have a good week max i mean nova last night shut up yeah what happened you guys beat dc right they lost to georgetown i don't know it's nine point favorites they're in washington yeah didn't score for the last five minutes of the game so i mean i do respect philly sports fans because they care this much. Correct.
That's what I... I hate them when I play them.
I do not want to go into the link as an opposing fan. That's what sports should be.
They do a good job. The clip of the link, the guys in the top row of the link celebrating after the Saquon run with the snow coming down is like, that is pure sports ecstasy.
like that that clip alone is why they should never take away you know weather games and put everything in domes like that clip yeah was was was just everything yeah i don't think max says that he's a winner he's just pat philly is like they're scumbags but it's also a unique sports city and the fact that they are they are so passionate uh about a level of scumbagery. I respect it.
I like it. You need that.
You think about Philly sports. You've got great fans like Bill Cosby.
You've got Eat That Pussy. You've got Sandusky.
Sandusky. Joe Pa was almost the coach there.
Just like the list goes on. Don Vito from Viva La Bam.

They've got great fans.

You, whatever.

What?

No one even cares about fucking Washington sports.

I do.

Kevin Durant.

Yeah.

Male.

Magic Johnson.

What has he ever done?

He got AIDS.

This is an all caps.

Head coaching interview should not happen until after the Super Bowl. Reason, Exhibit A.
The motherfucking Detroit Lions. Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn both were interviewing the week leading up to the divisional game, and it cost them.
I don't. They changed the rule already.
It used to be that this would happen and you could do in-person interviews. They both did like three-hour Zooms.
I don't think that's the reason why the Lions lost that game. And they have changed it so that January 20th is the first time that coaches can do in-person interviews.
I don't know. I think it's okay.
It sucks. There's no way to solve the problem.
Well, it kind of already did a little bit. But I think it's still an issue like obviously ben johnson was getting his staff together during the week but you think a three-hour zoom i mean well no but no but getting the staff yeah i get that i get that was that was and it's just copium from losing but yeah i could i could see lions fans being frustrated but i don't think they lost that game because of coaching no lost that game because five turnovers and the commanders were better.
Yeah, I mean, you could say that at least one of those turnovers was the Ben Johnson play where he had Jameson throw the ball. Yeah, that was Jameson Williams throwing the ball.
Yeah, exactly. So I understand the...
He probably called the play because he forgot that he was calling a game because he was already thinking about his new job. I don't think that it's like a massive, massive thing.
There's no way to really fully stop it either because it's going to happen, and this is what you have when you have a good team. You're going to lose your coordinators.
It sucks. So the problem with that is, and here's the only reason why I'd push back, is you are, it's, in your mind, you're saying you're protecting the teams, obviously going deep, and it's like a playoff team, or sorry, a team that misses the playoff shouldn't get a benefit of being able to hire a coach like quickly in January.
But the real loser in all of that is the coach. Like if you don't let the coaches of the Super Bowl team even do a Zoom interview, they're never going to get hired because the teams will want to move faster than that.
So that coach is getting screwed for their own success. Maybe you make a rule you can't hire a coach until a week after the Super Bowl.
But like any coach? Any coach. Okay.
I don't know. But I don't think there's a great answer to it.
Yeah. But the coach would lose out.
Like the coach getting the opportunities would lose out. Because they were good at their job.
So that's where it would kind of suck.

Yes, I'll change it.

They already did change it again.

They made it better.

Like the fact that you have to do zoom to start is pretty good.

All right. Last one.

Notre Dame losses are worse than any other team's losses because I can

literally blame God for ignoring my prayers.

What's the point of having a dead cousin?

If you can't come through for a natty BYU doesn't count because Mormonism isn't real and God hates Boston College. Okay.
Maybe that's why they don't lose anybody to the transfer portal because you can tell your players, like, hey, if you transfer, you're going to hell. Yeah.
Texas Christian University, do they have... I mean, it's in the name.
I don't know. I don't know they did uh pretty pretty good in the national championship smu made it to the playoff yeah are the god teams having a moment no not really because you lost yeah i lost the crusade i thought he was gonna say because everyone likes to make fun of notre dame but uh yeah i guess i think that would be the more shitty part you can always say that like this is god testing you yeah like bill belichick said do your job it would be so funny if like god if god were real and ever revealed himself and was like i've been rooting for this the whole time or like i don't even watch sports you guys yeah this is like how why the fuck were you guys saying that you know do you know how flooded my inbox with sports, you idiots? I don't know.
Would God be a sports fan? I think he's got a lot of... If God exists, I think he's got a lot of other issues working on.
If I was God, I would fix all the sports. Yeah.
So, sorry, Notre Dame fan. But, yeah, I don't know if it's God that had that.
I think it was more like not having enough five stars but if you want to go there that's fine yeah like blame who you got to blame yeah however you cope is is completely that's what i was saying earlier normalize like bad losing yeah give god some bulletin board material yeah that's what martin luther did when he nailed that shit on the door yes nailed it right there all right uh. All right.
Good show, boys. Numbers.
Numbers. Nine.
Go eight. And God does hate the Jets.
Three. Eleven.
Five. Okay.
Shane. Pug.
Jack. Jack.
Get Jack. Get Jack on.
Fort. Jack.
Jack.

You said on Sunday, if the Lions loss means that Ohio State doesn't win,

and we pointed out that those two things have literally nothing to do with each other.

Ohio State won.

Thoughts?

It was horrible.

Okay.

Yeah.

Maybe don't make that trade again.

Yeah, I won't. Okay.

All right. Shane.
Okay. All right.

Shane.

21.

All right.

What was your number again?

Eight.

I have three.

70.

70.

Love you guys. Thank you.
Thank you.