Jon Gruden In Studio, NFL Week 11 Picks And Preview, Eagles Beat Commanders + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Speaker 1 See Mintmobile.com. On today's part in my take, we have our newest co-worker, John Frickin Gruden, in studio

Speaker 7 to talk to us about football.

Speaker 1 We're going to do NFL week 11 picks in preview. We got all of our picks.
We got Fantasy Fuck Boys. We got Fire Fest.
And And we have Thursday Night Football Recap: Eagles and Commanders.

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Speaker 1 Today is Friday, November 15th, and the Philadelphia Eagles are at the top of the NFC East.

Speaker 10 Bernie Madoff,

Speaker 10 Sam Bankman Freed,

Speaker 10 the 2020 election,

Speaker 10 the 2024 Washington Commanders.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. You can't do that this quickly.

Speaker 10 Feel like the haters might.

Speaker 4 Honestly, what do all those things have in common?

Speaker 1 Frauds, he's saying. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Sometimes the haters are right. When the haters are right, you got to say, great job, haters.

Speaker 10 If nothing, I'm consistent about congratulating the haters.

Speaker 10 I don't want to say that we're fully frauds yet, but no, you're not.

Speaker 1 That's a tough division.

Speaker 10 And also, the commanders being frauds, nobody expect anything out of them. So it's hard to say that they're a fraud.

Speaker 10 However, tonight gave me some deeper concerns than I thought that a loss would give me. No.

Speaker 10 Some deeper concerns, not necessarily about being a fraud, but I'll tell you a couple things that gave me pause.

Speaker 1 Number one, what are you laughing at, Hank?

Speaker 10 You piece of shit?

Speaker 1 You asshole.

Speaker 10 You fucking dickhead.

Speaker 4 I apologize. That was rude.

Speaker 10 Why are you laughing already, you piece of shit?

Speaker 4 I'm laughing at Hank's laugh.

Speaker 10 I know, I know. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's like when someone dies, you accidentally laugh. Like, you don't mean to laugh.

Speaker 4 That was unnecessary, and I apologize.

Speaker 1 You die, you laugh when people die.

Speaker 4 I don't, but like, you know, how sometimes

Speaker 7 it sounds like you do.

Speaker 4 No, like, uh, maybe when it clowns in a movie or a TV show or something, whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. A movie or a TV show?

Speaker 4 Where like someone or someone says something really like sad or like something like are you talking about curb your enthusiasm?

Speaker 10 Kind of, yeah, maybe that's kind of like bare naked ladies. I'm the kind of guy who laughs at a funeral.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It had nothing to do with Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 11 You shut the fuck up, Max.

Speaker 1 I was talking about

Speaker 1 Max. Oh, Max.
I'm the new co-ghost. I'm the co-ghost of the show now.
I'm going to talk over.

Speaker 1 Now I'm laughing at PFT. Not laughing at you, but laughing at your reaction.
Fat Italian.

Speaker 10 Here's the thing.

Speaker 10 The thing that gave me pause about this game,

Speaker 10 the coaching decisions.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Dan Quinn, when he went for it, I'm actually okay with that.

Speaker 1 I am too.

Speaker 10 He's being aggressive. Yes, three points gives you the lead in that case.
And we're talking about the field goal that he kicked when he was down 10 to 12. Or didn't kick.
Did not kick.

Speaker 10 Elected to go for it on fourth down where it looked like the offensive line didn't have the right timing of the play. It was just a fumble.
Never went anywhere. Bad play.
Bad result.

Speaker 10 The process, I'm okay with going for it because for the first time tonight, our offense looked good on that drive. And fuck it.
Let's just go and get two yards. We've done it before.

Speaker 10 We're pretty good on fourth down.

Speaker 10 That didn't give me pause as much as the offense when we're down two scores at the end of the game and we burn up four minutes. I believe there's like five minutes left in the game.

Speaker 10 Burn up four minutes on the clock. We're running the ball.
We're not calling timeouts. Running the ball, running the ball, throwing inside passes.

Speaker 10 It seemed like I don't think that Cliff Kingsbury understands that 26 minus 10 is 16 and that 16 is a two-score game. 16 divided by 2 is 8.
Now, we've gone over this on the show.

Speaker 10 There are some 16-point leads that look enormous, that look like they're much bigger than 16 points. 26 to 10 is a pretty easy one.

Speaker 1 It's the easiest to comprehend.

Speaker 10 It's the easiest to comprehend.

Speaker 10 It's not like you're skipping over two different sets of 10.

Speaker 1 26 minus 10 is 16.

Speaker 10 Exactly. It's very easy.

Speaker 10 It looked like the players on the field knew that it was a two-score game, but the plays that were being called, it didn't feel like the guy who was calling it knows that's a two-score game.

Speaker 10 And here's what this gets at: is going back to Cliff's entire existence in the second half of seasons.

Speaker 10 So back at Texas Tech, here's his record as a head coach from 2013 to 2018 at the end of the season.

Speaker 10 Lost five of six. Lost four of six.
Lost four of six. Lost six of eight.
Lost six of eight. Lost five of five.
At the Cardinals,

Speaker 10 he lost seven of his last nine, then he lost five of his last seven, then he lost five of his last six, then he lost nine of his last ten.

Speaker 10 His offense looks completely different right now. We had Austin Eckler, that's pretty much it.
Jaden Daniels, a lot of drops tonight, a lot of drops out there, but no, Jaden did not look good.

Speaker 10 He didn't look nearly as good as he that was his worst game by far that he had tonight. Missed open guys, made some questionable decisions, felt timid on a few passes, didn't look particularly fast.

Speaker 10 Even

Speaker 10 I do want to give credit to the Eagles' defensive line. Yeah, Eagles' defense line.
That was the game. And their linebackers played outstanding.
And your secondary played pretty good, too.

Speaker 10 The Eagles played very well tonight.

Speaker 1 The fourth and two that you didn't go for the field goal, which I agreed with, that was the game because you had second and one, and they stood up on three straight plays. So that was phenomenal.

Speaker 10 That was great. And Big Cat, you brought it up during the broadcast.
I've said it before, but

Speaker 10 Cliff, without the sunglasses.

Speaker 1 It's brutal.

Speaker 10 Listen. He's not hot.

Speaker 10 I, more than anybody else,

Speaker 10 understand that sometimes you look a lot better when you're wearing sunglasses all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He should keep the sunglasses on. Looks like he got pink eye.
Okay, so

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels didn't play well, but he's a rookie. Yeah.
And he had a bad rookie game. Who cares? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a tough divisional game. You said it before.
I think we all all knew it going in. The Eagles have a better roster.
They do. Like, that's just a fact.

Speaker 1 So it's not, to win that game would have been very difficult.

Speaker 1 You have the Cowboys, the Titans, and the Saints coming up. You're still a Yoffs team.
Yep. So,

Speaker 1 you know, pick yourself up.

Speaker 4 What percent chance Yoffs are we at?

Speaker 10 On the machine or in my brain.

Speaker 4 In your brain.

Speaker 10 In my brain, 90.

Speaker 1 Still high.

Speaker 10 In the machine, probably 76. I'm going to guess.

Speaker 1 Still high.

Speaker 10 Oh, we're in the yoffs offs right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 70. 79.

Speaker 2 79. That was really good.

Speaker 10 But in my brain.

Speaker 1 But we also haven't had the week 11 yet.

Speaker 10 Yep.

Speaker 1 But can you do that? That was if loss.

Speaker 10 Max, I apologize.

Speaker 2 They do.

Speaker 1 But what if the 49ers... Oh,

Speaker 1 but what about the 49ers?

Speaker 2 It's just like right now

Speaker 2 in this moment, it was like...

Speaker 2 It didn't change at all. It went from 80% to 79.

Speaker 10 Max, I apologize for calling you fat Italian. No, that's fine.

Speaker 2 I deserve that.

Speaker 10 Heat of the moment.

Speaker 2 You jumped in. No, I deserve that.
I deserve that.

Speaker 10 But congratulations, Max. Eagles look great.
They've turned the season around.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, Saquon Barkley is a problem. He's a real problem.

Speaker 1 Max, from your perspective, break down this game because obviously you were nervous.

Speaker 1 You were very nervous going into this game. You can tell when Max is nervous.
He was like, he kind of like slapped me on the back at one point.

Speaker 1 There's like three hours before the game kind of just.

Speaker 4 Knocked the football out of your hand.

Speaker 1 Yeah, bouncing around like, you know, he was basically a little kid that needed like a weighted blanket for the last three hours before kickoff.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm not good in the bright light. I know.

Speaker 1 And you had Dave here. You had Gruton here.

Speaker 2 That was, that was a, that had max loss written all over it.

Speaker 1 So my question to you, though, is

Speaker 1 the game, the Eagles, I want to hear how you feel about the Eagles, but I also want you.

Speaker 1 to hear how you feel about Jaden Daniels because you were nervous about Jaden Daniels and he has been very good this year, and he's going to be in your division for a very long time.

Speaker 1 That was your first dance with him.

Speaker 1 Tell us where your head's at.

Speaker 2 Jaden Daniels will be a very good quarterback in this league. Jaden Daniels just is still a rookie, and that's something that I think was very evident tonight.

Speaker 2 I think it's something that you have seen a lot when he has played good defenses. It's back-to-back games against two top defenses, and he's looked like a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 2 But that's okay, because you expect that from a rookie quarterback to struggle against good defenses and to do well against bad defense. So going into this year, that's exactly what you want.

Speaker 2 But Jay Daniels, I don't think, is,

Speaker 13 as a rookie, a Super Bowl winning quarterback because no rookies are a Super Bowl winning quarterback.

Speaker 1 That's true. And I would still, by the way, I would still cut off a nut for that line, Jaden Daniels, 22 for 32, 191.

Speaker 1 One touchdown, one interception. I would fucking

Speaker 10 sign me the fuck up. Plus the drops.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How many of those yards were?

Speaker 1 I mean, a lot of those yards came in. That

Speaker 1 garbage time.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, it was...

Speaker 10 Well, the drive

Speaker 10 where we did not kick the field goal, that was a good drive, too, and I wouldn't call that garbage time. Correct.
So he got a lot of yards then.

Speaker 2 Listen, no, but I'm counting those yards.

Speaker 7 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 I'm not going to say that Jaden Daniels played even an average game tonight. He played a bad game tonight.
He was all over the map. He missed a lot of easy throws.
He's a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 13 He's a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 10 He's like a rookie quarterback. And I think he might be injured, too.

Speaker 10 I'm not making excuses, but the drops and the injuries.

Speaker 1 I said that before the game.

Speaker 7 That's the situation. I said that.

Speaker 1 Like, you can tell he's not, he's a little more tentative to run the ball ever since the rib injury.

Speaker 10 It was funny, though, watching the game with Coach Gruden.

Speaker 10 He saw Jaden warming up with a basketball, and he was disgusted. Disgusted.
Disgusted. What is this, man?

Speaker 14 Playing basketball out here? Come on.

Speaker 1 Disgusted.

Speaker 10 Get that man a football, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was. God damn it.

Speaker 15 This bitch. This bitch.

Speaker 1 But in a good way. Oh, man.
So, Max, you're feeling good. Eagles are eating two.
This is,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 one seed?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 We're taking it one game at a time. Really got to.
Jake Elliott. I'm going to.

Speaker 2 Jake Elliott has enough in his history.

Speaker 2 Yeah, to give him the benefit of a doubt of, like, this is just a one-off game. If it happens again,

Speaker 2 then you start to get worried. I'm like hovering over the panic button, but I'm not clicking the panic button on Jake Elliott yet because that was terrible.

Speaker 2 Realistically, the Eagles should have scored 35 points in this game.

Speaker 10 Can you issue a statement to the city of Philadelphia and Eagles fans? How should they be treating Jake Elliott moving forward?

Speaker 2 Treat him the same from this game, but if he has one more bad game, panic, panic.

Speaker 1 The clip of him pacing the sidelines, double-tapping his head,

Speaker 1 you never want to see that out of your kicker. Ever.
That was bad.

Speaker 2 That's like what I do.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's like what I do when I'm like,

Speaker 2 I got to get myself right. And I for sure don't have the mentals to be an NFL kicker.
No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 But it's good that we have a little mini-buy now because it'll be even more time for him to get this game out of his head. Yep.

Speaker 1 He can watch some games this weekend. Chill out.
Yeah, no. Also, the one seed's not going to happen because the Lions schedule is significantly easier than.

Speaker 2 Ravens and home against the Steelers, at Commander.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Lions have the Packers and the Bills

Speaker 1 at home and then the 49ers on the road. So I don't know.
Maybe

Speaker 1 the 49ers on the road. But the two seed wouldn't be bad either.

Speaker 10 Yeah, two seeds good.

Speaker 13 I would like

Speaker 1 to come to the link. You want the one seed.

Speaker 2 I would like the one seed, but it's all right. We're just going to take it.
We're on the next weekend, Sunday night,

Speaker 2 against the Rams in L.A. That's a tough game.

Speaker 10 That's a tough game. I can't believe we lost the Shark Week game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was very nervous because I bet the Eagles tonight, and I was

Speaker 1 when the first half happened and the Commanders were

Speaker 1 up and the Eagles were missing every field goal, and then the Amazon broadcast was like, yeah, Dan Quinn decided this was Shark Week, and he's been just showing clips of shark attacks and jaws.

Speaker 1 Like, this is Mike McCarthy smashing a watermelon all over again.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the problem with Shark Week.

Speaker 1 And I think Dan Quinn was there for the smashing of the watermelon.

Speaker 10 I think he was. I think that's who he learned it for.
10 minutes. Yeah, so the Shark Week problem is that Dan Quinn as a boomer looks back fondly on Shark Week back when Shark Week was good.
Also,

Speaker 1 don't think I would use Jaws for Shark Week because Jaws is an incredible movie, one of the best movies of all time. But

Speaker 1 today's age, you watch Jaws and you're like, that's a fake shark.

Speaker 10 Who wins, though? Does the shark survive?

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 10 So that, yeah.

Speaker 10 Dan Quinn probably didn't know that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he probably should have.

Speaker 10 Do a movie where the shark wins.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Shark week.

Speaker 7 Hank, do you have any thoughts on the game?

Speaker 4 Commanders look bad.

Speaker 4 I was honestly thinking because that was a

Speaker 1 half a sentence.

Speaker 4 Commanders look bad. I was honestly thinking because Coach Gruden on the stream also

Speaker 4 was asked him about Caleb Williams or Drake May.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he said Drake May.

Speaker 4 And he said Drake May, Drake May is going to be a superstar. Patriots have looked good.
Commanders have looked, basically, should be on a three-game losing streak.

Speaker 10 What does that mean?

Speaker 4 Whose line would it be anyway if the Patriots played the Commanders next week?

Speaker 1 Where?

Speaker 1 This is what I was saying on Wednesday

Speaker 1 in Washington. This is what I was saying.
People were letting people confusing.

Speaker 10 People were confusing insane for you.

Speaker 1 I'm just thinking out loud.

Speaker 14 This is way worse than that.

Speaker 1 This is what I was saying on Wednesday.

Speaker 16 And people were like, Bruden said it. No, this isn't my word.

Speaker 1 These aren't my words. This is what I was saying.

Speaker 1 And people were like, oh, you're just, you're saying Jaden Daniels bad. No, no, no.
I think Jaden Daniel's really good. Cale Williams, we got problems.

Speaker 1 The fucked up nature of this podcast is this guy on the couch is now going to be like, I got the superstar.

Speaker 1 I think the spread, in all honesty, Hank, is

Speaker 1 in Landover. Look at that smirk.

Speaker 10 In Landover, Hank. I think the spread,

Speaker 10 we definitely have some bookmakers that listen to this game, right? Tell us the hypothetical spread. My guess is Commanders five and a half.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Plus at home.
And they were just five and a half point point underdogs to the Bears.

Speaker 14 The Bears quit.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I just, I thought it was interesting that, you know, he did say Drake May's.

Speaker 4 The senior football mind, John Gruden, when asked about the number one pick, he said he would take the number three pick, which obviously means he would take the number three pick over the number two pick.

Speaker 10 I just thought it was interesting. John Gruden has never coached.
I don't think he's coached a first-round quarterback.

Speaker 4 But he's evaluated all of them.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I guess. Yeah, he has evaluated all of them.
That's a fair point. I listen, I think Drake May is very good.
We're going to talk about it actually more.

Speaker 1 And I said something about Drake May that is a very high compliment in the picks and preview, but

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 7 you asked my opinion. Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 I did. Fuck.

Speaker 1 I did. Hank, I asked him.
That's what I was. I was watching the game being like, this game is terrible.
I did ask his opinion.

Speaker 10 What's your opinion about the game?

Speaker 4 The game? I mean, the Eagles have no kicker. That's going to be a major problem.

Speaker 1 He's a good kicker. He just had a terrible night.
He's a very bad game. He's a good kicker.
Terrible night.

Speaker 1 Terrible. I mean, you can't.

Speaker 4 That's going to be a problem. If I'm an Eagles fan, I'd be very, like, that's a,

Speaker 4 that's your kicker in the playoffs. That game is going to creep in your mind.

Speaker 2 He's kicked in the playoffs before.

Speaker 2 He's had a bad game. I'm still going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 1 Has he ever had a game that bad?

Speaker 4 No, not even close. So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 No, the extra point was where it was really.

Speaker 4 If you're going into a playoff game, like if you're saying that you're not going to be worried about him having a bad game, you're lying.

Speaker 4 And the commanders turn back into a pumpkin

Speaker 4 76% playoff

Speaker 4 chance.

Speaker 4 It doesn't look good.

Speaker 10 You're taking the 24%. I think I might be.

Speaker 4 I mean, they lost to the Bears, and the Bears quit.

Speaker 10 Fact check.

Speaker 1 They did not lose to Britain. They beat the Bears.

Speaker 1 But also,

Speaker 1 double fact-check, that was before the Bears quit.

Speaker 10 That's true.

Speaker 1 The Bears quit at the last play of the Cardinals game at halftime.

Speaker 10 I'm also just, this did not have an effect on the outcome of the game, probably, but I would have liked to see a Hale Mary at the end of the first half. Yeah.
You're at

Speaker 10 the, what, 47-yard line?

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 10 And we just run the ball. Like, why not try Hale Mary? He's lifetime 1,000% on Hale Marys in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 2 I have one more thing.

Speaker 10 Any quarterback can make that throw that I wouldn't try.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We, as a national podcast, need to... Quinyon Mitchell is a top five.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Toledo Max.

Speaker 13 He is incredible

Speaker 2 for things that he has done this year.

Speaker 1 He is awesome. And it looks like you guys have finally, like Vic Fangio's defense, you know, when it starts to work and it's starting to work.

Speaker 2 Can I read his

Speaker 2 please against top receivers this year? Please. Packers, week one, they don't have a true one.
One reception gave up one reception for six yards. Drake London, one reception, five yards.

Speaker 2 Chris Olave, two receptions, 23 yards. Mike Evans, two receptions, 19 yards.
Amari Cooper, one reception, 10 yards. Malik Neighbors, one reception, nine yards.
Jamar Chase, two receptions, 19 yards.

Speaker 2 Jaguars don't have a true one, one reception, 11 yards. CeeDee Lamb, two receptions, 14 yards.
Terry McLaurin, zero receptions, zero yards. That's incredible.
I mean, stud.

Speaker 2 That's going through a gauntlet as a rookie and being coming out

Speaker 1 unbelievably. Yeah.

Speaker 10 He's awesome. Happy for you, Max.

Speaker 17 Very happy.

Speaker 1 As a national podcast, we had to mention that.

Speaker 1 I don't know why you said the national podcast thing before.

Speaker 2 Because I want the national media isn't saying anything about it.

Speaker 1 Oh, God, God. We are the national media.
Correct. So now we've fixed that.
Max.

Speaker 13 We talk a lot about rookies.

Speaker 1 I want to talk about rookie.

Speaker 10 There you go. I appreciate Max because we try to get it right when we can, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we do.

Speaker 16 So in the spirit of getting it. Yeah, maybe I should have

Speaker 1 added it.

Speaker 10 In the spirit of getting it right, I'd like to correct Max.

Speaker 10 Terry McLaurin did not get shut out for zero catches.

Speaker 1 He had one catch for 20 minutes.

Speaker 2 No, that's against him.

Speaker 7 Oh, against him.

Speaker 10 Oh, against him, okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, where was he? Because that was Cooper.

Speaker 1 He got a catch against Cooper.

Speaker 10 See, that's what worries me about Jaden. Is we didn't even really try to pass towards the end.

Speaker 1 I know, it was a lot of dump-offs.

Speaker 10 We built the entire plane out of Austin Eckler and Zachary.

Speaker 1 Where were his shot plays? Because he's been throwing those so perfectly.

Speaker 10 Didn't take any deep shots, really.

Speaker 10 That's why I think he might not be healthy and trying to play off short rest with a rib injury is probably not good for him.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 1 yeah, listen.

Speaker 10 I feel like I'm being quite illusional, and I will still take the 76% chance of making a play.

Speaker 1 You also, and we do this every single week, and I think that there's

Speaker 1 maybe sometimes, because people listen to this at Friday morning, when we have to record right after a loss, it is always a different mindset than like tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1 Like when you get us right after a loss, it will always be the worst and most overreacting thing. I think tomorrow morning you're going to wake up and be like, we're going to be fine.

Speaker 10 I'm going to say something good about the commanders tonight.

Speaker 10 One bright thing. Mike Sandristrill.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cornerback. That's a guy.

Speaker 16 Michigan.

Speaker 10 5'9.

Speaker 10 Had him on AJ. A.J.
Brown's been cooking.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Before you do this,

Speaker 1 you should say that it's because we're a national podcast.

Speaker 10 Because we're a national podcast. I'd like to draw attention

Speaker 10 to Mike Sandristrill.

Speaker 1 Tell the world.

Speaker 10 That guy is awesome. I love that dude.
He's undersized.

Speaker 10 He's a fucking, what's a different name for a honey badger? He's a Wolverine.

Speaker 1 He's a Wolverine.

Speaker 10 A literal Wolverine is what he is. And yeah, he played great defense tonight.
When he was on AJ, especially in the red zone, he pretty much shut him down when they were matched up against each other.

Speaker 10 So love that guy. And at least we have a good cornerback moving forward.
Plus, haven't gotten Lattimore out there. This game is totally different with Lattimore out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 Probably not. Okay.

Speaker 1 We just ran the camera. I know.

Speaker 10 I know. Listen, I'm going through stages of Cope right now, okay? So my stages of Cope include Cliff Kingsbury has been bad in the last three weeks.

Speaker 10 He might be on the downside, but at least that means that no team will try to hire Cliff Kingsbury as a head coach because he's kind of taking some of that shot off.

Speaker 10 That's one of the stages of Cope that I'm at. Another stage is we're getting an impact free agent

Speaker 10 from the New Orleans Saints,

Speaker 10 who's currently on a roster right now that hasn't played yet.

Speaker 1 Because we're a national podcast, Zach Bond has also been great. Also great.

Speaker 2 Badger. I thought about it.
I was like, I can't do two national podcasts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Badger, you should have a Badger.

Speaker 1 National podcast.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Big Kettle. As a national podcast, would you like to talk about Zach Bond? Yeah.
Would you like to talk about the Wisconsin Badgers?

Speaker 1 Yeah, played well. Zach Bond played great tonight.
Yeah. Badger.

Speaker 7 He's really good.

Speaker 1 National Podcast tonight. Particular of the year, probably.
Yeah. Well, would you like to, Hank, national podcast?

Speaker 1 Anything?

Speaker 2 Christian Gonzalez

Speaker 4 from the game tonight?

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 We're just talking about your guy.

Speaker 1 Luca had a great game tonight. National podcast.
Oh, okay. All right.
Hey, hey, national podcast, real quick. National podcast, we should shout out the Cleveland Cavaliers.
They're 13-0.

Speaker 1 National podcast. That's pretty crazy.
13-0, national podcast. I'm looking at the standings right now.
It's like,

Speaker 1 you thought the Celtics would be there. The Magic are good.
The Knicks, but the Cavs, 13-0. Yeah, how about that? And it's like, I mean, the Pistons are in there.
The Bulls are the sixth seed.

Speaker 1 There must must be a.

Speaker 1 Oh, the Sixers are two and nine? National Podcast.

Speaker 10 National.

Speaker 1 Nine? Two and nine.

Speaker 2 Jared McCain almost won the game by himself last night. National Podcast.

Speaker 1 Two and nine. The National Podcast.
The Sixers are two and nine.

Speaker 4 Almost. You missed.
Do you hear Max?

Speaker 1 Almost won the game? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're building something. That was almost your third win.
We're building something, Philly. We got a lot of money.
Out of 12 guys. National Podcast.

Speaker 4 You can just need a couple superstars getting the mix, and you guys could have a real team going. Right.

Speaker 2 You're absolutely right. Maybe get them healthy, and then you got a real team.
Thanks, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 National podcast. I'm very excited tonight is, I think, Alabama versus Purdue in college basketball.
I believe. National podcast.
That's going to be a great game. Oh, Purdue.

Speaker 10 Blake turns one and a half years. Oh, wow.
Tomorrow. Yeah.
National podcast.

Speaker 1 National podcast. We do half years.

Speaker 10 Love the podcast. Raise awareness.
Love that.

Speaker 1 You should not do one and a half. You should do 18 months.

Speaker 10 18 months. Just to throw people off.

Speaker 1 How many try men? Like, my dog is 18 months.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck? Yeah,

Speaker 1 you should do months for Blake until he's like six years old.

Speaker 1 Okay. You should, yeah.
Bring that up naturally somewhere tomorrow. Be like, yeah, Blake is 18 months.
I will. I will.
It's a promise. Okay, let's kick it to ourselves.

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Speaker 1 Okay, boys, week 11 in the NFL.

Speaker 1 They did, I love this every time they release this because it's like a, it's basically a pervert stat. It's the what if NFL standings have been released.

Speaker 1 So what if everyone possession NFL game had the opposite result?

Speaker 1 Who do you think would be first in the AFC?

Speaker 10 The Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 1 No, it would actually be the Cincinnati Bengals would be 8-2.

Speaker 7 8-2.

Speaker 1 And last would be the Kansas City Chiefs, 2-7. Fascinating.
Because they have played all one-score games. In the NFC.

Speaker 10 I love this stat. It's the best.

Speaker 10 What if the teams that were good at winning were actually bad at winning?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What if every win was a loss? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What if standings for the NFC, Tampa Bay would be 7-3.

Speaker 1 That's the big notable switch. Also, the Giants would be 6-4.

Speaker 1 And then the saddest part about this is the Carolina Panthers would be 1-9.

Speaker 10 So they would actually get worse. So they're good.

Speaker 10 They punch above their weight class in close games.

Speaker 7 They would get worse.

Speaker 1 That's when you get blown out.

Speaker 7 The Jets would be 5-5 memes.

Speaker 10 Still in it.

Speaker 2 He wanted me to fact-check you to make sure it wasn't the Jets.

Speaker 7 No, 5-5.

Speaker 10 It would be 5-5.

Speaker 1 You reverse all one-score games. Oh, he stinks.

Speaker 10 Would that make them top five?

Speaker 1 No, they'd be out of the playoffs. Even in this what-if

Speaker 1 fantastical standings.

Speaker 1 We

Speaker 1 Yeah, in a fantasy land you can't stink in a fantasy land I just always like looking at those because it is it is very funny just being like yeah, what if everything was different So what I like about this weekend is there are like three games that are awesome.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and then there's a just heaping mound of dog shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.
So let's let's start with it. Oh, let me let me someone a listener said Could you guys please say the line when you say the game? And I will start doing that.

Speaker 1 Thank you to DraftKings. So we will start.
Let me pull up the current lines.

Speaker 10 Let's start with the game. I got the lines right here if you just want to say the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's we'll start with the Ravens at the Steelers.

Speaker 10 Okay, we got the Ravens favored by three on the road over under 48 and a half.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 this to me is, I'm very excited for this game because it will tell us a lot about the Steelers, I think.

Speaker 1 The Ravens, I believe, are going to be there no matter what because their offense feels unstoppable. The Steelers, if they win this game,

Speaker 1 why not? Yeah, why not? Why not, Steelers? I already think why not.

Speaker 1 I'm very close to thinking why not. I would like to see it, especially it's Russell Wilson against the Ravens defense.

Speaker 1 Kyle Hamilton's out, so their secondary is banged up, has not been great all year. Their run defense is elite.

Speaker 1 So what happens when Russell Wilson, if the Steelers can't run the ball, what's going to happen? This, though, is a strictly numbers game because here are the stats and it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 So, this is 36th time Tomlin and Harbaugh have played against each other. It's second all-time only to George Hallis and Curly Lambeau.

Speaker 1 Over the last 20 years, the underdog in this series is 28, 10, and 3, 74% against the spread. And Mike Tomlin is a dog against Harbaugh is 12-2-2.

Speaker 1 And then also, here are the final margins of the games between the Steelers and Ravens since 2020: seven points, seven points, three points, two points, three points, one point, five points, four points.

Speaker 1 These teams just play tight games.

Speaker 10 They don't like each other very much. Yeah.
No love lost between these teams. Yeah.
Throw out the record books when these teams get together.

Speaker 10 Lamar Jackson, as a starter,

Speaker 10 has only won one time at Pittsburgh against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 10 So his only win was in 2019, and that's when Devlin Hodges, Duck, or guy Duck.

Speaker 10 Is Duck still around? What's Duck doing these days?

Speaker 4 He's in Nashville.

Speaker 10 Yeah, sure. Just hanging out.

Speaker 4 Wasn't that when we went went to Kittle's house? He was like, Duck Hodges. He was no, he's like, sometimes I'll throw with Duck.

Speaker 4 Maybe I might be making that up. That's cool.

Speaker 1 I like that, though, for Duck.

Speaker 10 That's a great gig for Duck if he just goes and throws routes to George Kittle in the offseason. Yeah.
I like that for Duck. Duck's probably just,

Speaker 10 he's in the middle of a field somewhere shooting a shotgun.

Speaker 1 I don't know the answer, but I like,

Speaker 1 if that is the answer,

Speaker 1 I like where he's at.

Speaker 7 in that answer. Yeah, he's probably very good.

Speaker 10 That's a good life.

Speaker 1 That's a really good life.

Speaker 10 He's living off the land.

Speaker 10 Like a guy who had a cup of coffee in the nfl started an nfl game as quarterback named duck hodges cleans up in nashville cleans up yep that's just a fact yeah so he's he's uh lamar is one and three against pittsburgh duck hodges that was the only game that lamar has won um against the steelers so i love the steelers as an underdog i always do

Speaker 10 home game home underdog against the ravens this game my my only qualm this game should be at night it should be a primetime game yeah uh it's unfortunate that it's not.

Speaker 10 It is, in fact, one of the early games this weekend.

Speaker 1 So I don't love that. This will be sound.

Speaker 10 Sound is going to be on.

Speaker 1 This is the sound main TV.

Speaker 10 This is the crown jewel of the early slate.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have, by the way, we have eight games, and we only have seven TVs that we look at. We have, obviously, the eighth TV off to our left.

Speaker 1 So I think what we're going to do is just put one game on the eighth TV off to the left.

Speaker 10 I like that. And that's usually the Panthers game.
Yeah. That's usually the Panthers.

Speaker 1 The Panthers are on a bye week.

Speaker 10 They're on a bye week this week, so it won't be this week. I'm excited to see George Pickens and Marlon Humphrey go at it.

Speaker 10 So I saw that matchup, and I thought to myself, there's a good chance that one of the two of these guys gets ejected from the game, just based on vibes from both of them.

Speaker 10 But then I looked ahead at the Steelers schedule, and I saw Steelers playing the Eagles, I think, December 15th, the day of the Hank. And

Speaker 10 remember that fight, Hank? December 15th. December 15th.
Hank's first knockout. His first and only knockout.

Speaker 10 That is going to be a matchup of the Steelers and the Eagles.

Speaker 10 And that is when we're going to get an ejection between either George Pickens or CeeDee Deuce. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It will be. But it's still going to be a feisty matchup between Humphrey and Pickens if they're on each other.
Do you guys want a crazy Lamar Jackson stat?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I have one.
This is from dry defender RS.

Speaker 1 Lamar Jackson, so last week,

Speaker 1 the Ravens were down 21-7, I believe, at halftime.

Speaker 1 That was the first time in 40 consecutive starts for Lamar Jackson, where he plays the majority of the game, because obviously he's come out for diarrhea a few times.

Speaker 1 40 consecutive games without trailing by more than 10 points. Wow.
That's insane. He also is currently still on his streak of 40.
So this would be the 41st game without losing by more than 7.

Speaker 1 Lamar Jackson, like, that's, that's insane. They just don't get blown out.
Like, the Ravens just don't get blown out.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I mean, they've been a very consistent team.

Speaker 1 And Lamar's been incredible. And

Speaker 1 I wonder,

Speaker 1 did the Steelers maybe show too much keeping Jaden Daniels in the pocket?

Speaker 10 They were very, very good at that.

Speaker 1 And High Smith is out, which is big.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's a big one. Also, Hamilton's out for the Ravens.
So a couple big injuries there. They did a great job with their linebackers and their defensive line.
Patrick Queen is awesome.

Speaker 1 And he's pissed.

Speaker 10 And he's pissed off that he did not get a contract.

Speaker 10 I don't know what they offered him, if they offered him in Baltimore, but he's pissed off about playing up against the Ravens, and he is still playing like at the top of his ability.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's very fast. He's pissed off.

Speaker 10 There was one play last week where it was an RPO. Jaden fakes the handoff.

Speaker 10 Patrick Queen takes a step inside towards the running back, and then he beats Jaden Daniels to the sideline, keeping the ball.

Speaker 10 He's elite.

Speaker 1 He might be spying. That's what Jerry told us.
Patrick Queen's going to spy Lamar Jackson. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Do you see that there was a snake in Russell Wilson's locker last week?

Speaker 1 In his pants?

Speaker 10 Yeah, in his dick.

Speaker 10 That's what they call it. No, he had, there was a momb mentality.
There was a snake that was in the locker, and then they couldn't find it, but they escaped it.

Speaker 1 Are you saying an actual snake, or is this something that Russell Wilson did and he's corny?

Speaker 10 Do you think he had like one of those fake snakes? I used that as a mentality.

Speaker 1 If I said to you, hey, Russell Wilson put a fake snake in his locker and said it's mamba mentality time, would you think that's, I made that up?

Speaker 10 Well, I might. I said mamba mentality.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, but if he had said that.

Speaker 10 If he had said that, I would buy it. I would also see.
100% buy it. I could also see Russell Wilson having a snake there, and he's like, there was a snake in my locker.

Speaker 10 Tried to get me to eat an apple before the game. I turned to the Lord.
I said, no.

Speaker 10 I said, vanquish these Satan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that also happens. Yeah.
100% happened. Okay.

Speaker 1 I agree with you. I like the Steelers in this game.

Speaker 1 Next game,

Speaker 1 Packers and Bears.

Speaker 10 Go on.

Speaker 10 Longest winning streak in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Matt LaFleur has never lost to the Bears. He's 10-0.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 this is not correct. This is not right or justified, but this is the way that I have to mentally get myself to a point where I can think the Bears can beat the Packers on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Shane Waldron is the Antichrist. Shane Waldron caused all the problems.
Shane Waldron, every war, tragedy, anything you can think of in history, Shane Waldron was the issue behind it.

Speaker 1 That's the only, again, not right, not justified. Shane Waldron, probably a very nice guy.
Not a great football coach, but that doesn't matter. He's gone.

Speaker 1 And the only way I can tell myself that the Bears have a chance is that Shane Waldron was deliberately holding the Bears back in every capacity. And now everything's going to be different

Speaker 1 going forward. Also, Keenan Allen's quote where he said Shane Waldron was just too nice of a guy.
That feels like

Speaker 1 it's all a mess.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 10 Shane Waldron, I don't know if you get the interim coordinator bump. I don't know if that's a thing that happens.
Thomas Brattle, well.

Speaker 10 But there has to be an element of the offense not having to deal with Shane Waldron that just makes them happier. Yeah.
You know, like when you have a guy that is clearly inept at his job, just being

Speaker 10 no longer around that guy all the time gives you a little bit more confidence going to the game. You don't know what you're going to get, but you know that it's not going to be Shane Waldron.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So what the Bears are doing, and we've made this joke before that, you know, Sean McVay has such a great

Speaker 1 track record that it became a part of the NFL ecosystem that, like, if you got Sean McVay's coffee, you got a job.

Speaker 1 The Bears are testing that theory because Shane Waldron, I think his highest level for the Rams was passing game coordinator, and he's gone.

Speaker 1 And now we have Thomas Brown, whose highest level for Sean McVay was assistant head coach and tight ends coach.

Speaker 10 Now, was it Thomas Brown? Didn't he call plays for the Panthers last year?

Speaker 1 For three weeks, and then Frank Reich took it back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we are really going to the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the barrel: if you were in the same room as Sean McVay, you know how to call NFL offense. I don't think he does,

Speaker 1 but the Bears at least are testing the theory.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's somebody new. Yes, sir.
Are there reports?

Speaker 4 I saw reports that Caleb Williams and him, Tom, don't talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was weird.

Speaker 4 That was weird. He was the passing game coordinator before.
Now he's the offensive coordinator. And

Speaker 1 there's a report that they don't really meet. There's been a lot of reports.
There's been a lot of bad reports.

Speaker 7 I also saw

Speaker 10 the difference between Russell Wilson and Caleb Williams.

Speaker 4 Did you see the clip from Rossini's podcast, Chase Daniel?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's what I've, yeah, I've done that clip a hundred times.

Speaker 4 I know, just the way it was all laid out tight was

Speaker 4 honestly wild.

Speaker 1 What does the clip say? It says everything I've said a million times over, but I'll say real quick again, they've basically, since firing Lovey Smith, they've gotten every timeline wrong.

Speaker 1 Phil Emery hired Mark Tressman. Mark Tressman leave.
Phil Emery stayed. John Fox

Speaker 1 drafted Mitch Trubisky, fired John Fox after a year. Then it was Matt Eberflu, or sorry, Matt Nagy.
I get my mats confused, who was there. So John Fox drafted.

Speaker 1 John Fox didn't even know he was drafting

Speaker 1 Mitch Trubisky. Ryan Pace did.

Speaker 1 And then Matt Eberflus came on, inherited Mitch Trubisky, never drafted Mitch Trubisky, didn't want Mitch Trubisky.

Speaker 1 And then Mitch Trubisky's gone, and they drafted Justin Fields, and Matt Nagy then gets fired, and Matt Eberflus inherits Justin Fields, didn't want Justin Fields, drafted Caleb Williams, and then he's going to get fired, and whoever the next guy is is going to inherit Caleb Williams, probably not wanting Caleb Williams.

Speaker 10 Basically, a history of coaches that didn't want the quarterbacks that they had, and then a bunch of general managers who didn't want the coach that they had. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just never actually hiring the right thing at the right time. At the same time.

Speaker 10 They're never on the same page as each other. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a shit show. Hey, guys, it's a shit show.

Speaker 1 And it's the Packers.

Speaker 4 Shock the world.

Speaker 1 I told you, by Sunday morning, I'm going to believe that we're going to win this game because I haven't connected all the dots, but where was Shane Waldron on 9-11?

Speaker 10 Good question. I was just asking.

Speaker 1 Did you see, by the way, did you see? So Carl blogged it, but there was an entire blog.

Speaker 1 He found, I think it was a Reddit post that essentially was like, Paul Skeens is a sociopath. That's why he's so good at baseball.
And they backtracked when he was born. And the theory is that his.

Speaker 1 parents had sex on 9-11.

Speaker 10 The butterfly effect?

Speaker 1 And they basically like blocked out all the noise of 9-11 and created Paul Skeens.

Speaker 10 Did they, now was this

Speaker 1 inception happened a little too much?

Speaker 10 How early in the morning?

Speaker 10 We don't know. It's just like before you get out of bed for a while.

Speaker 1 It was just, yeah, you don't know the exact time, but yeah, people have way too much time on their hands. But I did think it was interesting.

Speaker 10 He was born mad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We like Paul Skeens on this show.

Speaker 1 I love Paul Skeens. I mean, it was a sociopath in a good way.
Like,

Speaker 1 he's so locked in that he, like,

Speaker 1 his ability to lock in and outside noise and just, like, mow down hitters, like that's why he's elite.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a bad thing for me. Yeah, I know.
Good guy. Yeah, very.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't have anything else in this game. The Packers are going to kill us.

Speaker 10 You never know. You never know.
Division matchup. I want Big Cat to be back.
I'm going to bet on the Packers. I'm going to say fuck it.

Speaker 1 No, Bears.

Speaker 10 Sorry, yeah, bet against the Packers. Betting on the Bears.
There's no reason why the Bears should win this game. Absolutely zero reason why they should do it.
But the NFL is a weird place.

Speaker 10 And weird shit happens. and chaos happens.

Speaker 10 You need an ugly game.

Speaker 1 They're going to lose.

Speaker 10 You've got to get an ugly game going here. Matt Lafleur's just going to be a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Here's your recipe.

Speaker 10 You need Jordan Love to throw one of those weird, like, behind-his-back pick sixes, get a defensive score. You need Caleb to just do handoffs.

Speaker 10 I hope that the new offense coordinator doesn't have Caleb doing all that weird shit at the line of scrimmage. I get it.

Speaker 10 If you're like Peyton Manning or if you're Tom Brady, if you've been in an offense for a long time, have them direct the offense. Why are you making a rookie quarterback do that?

Speaker 10 It made no sense since week one. Nothing makes sense.
The level of responsibility that you put on Caleb Williams when Caleb hasn't done shit in the NFL yet. Let him go out there and make easy throws.

Speaker 10 Don't have him trying to direct the symphony that is the weird, fucked-up Bears' offense. Because

Speaker 10 even if he's able to know all the plays and tell players where to go, it's still going to be a bad result to these shitty plays that they're calling.

Speaker 10 Don't make him feel like he's got too big a part of that failure right off the bat. Give him easy shit to do.

Speaker 1 It's all, I mean, everything you said is correct,

Speaker 1 whether they do it.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Probably not.
It just makes no sense to have a rookie quarterback

Speaker 10 and to put that much on him right now.

Speaker 1 Straight off the bottom. The guy's mentally locked up because Matt Eberflus is a fucking idiot, and they're just doofuses.

Speaker 1 And Kevin Warren tried to cancel Big Ten because of COVID, and he's the one who's calling the shots. And it's just, I hate everything.

Speaker 1 Everything sucks. We're just back in an exact same spot.
What about bear football?

Speaker 10 What about bear football, big cat? What about handing the ball off to your running back?

Speaker 1 It would be nice and not be nice.

Speaker 10 Not letting him get sacked off.

Speaker 1 Not been great. It would be nice.
I actually wouldn't hate it too if Caleb Williams threw an interception in this game because maybe he would be taking a shot that actually was close to someone.

Speaker 10 You know what my red flag on Caleb is?

Speaker 1 He's been throwing deep balls that aren't even close to being intercepted.

Speaker 10 You know what my red flag is? What? He hasn't even cried this year. Yeah, he should cry.
I mean, the knock on him was he's he cried after bad loss.

Speaker 1 He's definitely cried this year.

Speaker 10 Well, he hasn't cried on Caleb.

Speaker 1 In private. I mean, I've cried in private.
Yeah, so he's definitely cried in private.

Speaker 10 But, I mean, there was something about him last year where he was taking losses so hard that he was crying. Yeah.
I'd like to see the man cry.

Speaker 1 It's a disaster. We're walking into a disaster.
Also,

Speaker 1 our good friend Bear Down Cuz is going to come on

Speaker 1 the stream on Sunday from Bob Does Sports Universe.

Speaker 17 He came last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Great dude.

Speaker 1 So he'll be with us on the stream. So at least we'll have an extra.

Speaker 1 They're going to be on no sound. I just, whatever.
We'll see. We'll see.
They suck. They suck.
Everything sucks. The organization is a joke.

Speaker 1 They've ruined Cale Williams. It sucks.

Speaker 10 Speaking of the Bears being frauds, did you see the clip? Well, no, they're not frauds.

Speaker 1 Did you see the clip? They're bad.

Speaker 10 Did you see the clip that came out from California about the fraudulent bear?

Speaker 1 Well, but the bears aren't frauds. Okay, but

Speaker 10 did you see the clip in California? So apparently these people are under investigation for insurance fraud.

Speaker 10 Every now and again, you see a camera, like a ring camera or like a security camera, of a bear that climbs into somebody's car looking for food and mauls it up and tears it up from the inside.

Speaker 10 Apparently, there's been this group of people that have been dressing up as bears, wearing like scissors on their hands, climbing into cars, scraping them up, and then collecting all the insurance money because the car is totaled or the inside of the car is all fucked up.

Speaker 10 So they got like a human wearing a bear outfit, climbing into a car, trying to look like a bear, and then scraping it up on the inside.

Speaker 10 I just thought that was an interesting thing.

Speaker 1 I would love to be a fraud. Yeah.
We were frauds at four and two. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 Being a fraud, I'm loving life as a fraud.

Speaker 1 Let me, real quick, I want to just go around the room.

Speaker 1 I'm holding a number underneath my chair.

Speaker 1 One to ten, ten being wins a Super Bowl,

Speaker 1 one being he's out of the league in like a year and a half.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the future of Caleb Williams?

Speaker 10 Be honest. Well, you're only holding one hand, so it's got to be between one and five.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, duh. Three.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Seven.

Speaker 1 That's a lie. I said, be honest.

Speaker 10 I would say higher. I would say higher than this, but the fact you only have one hand, I'll say five.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 10 For one hand, I'll say four, but I think he's an eight. Name's got it.

Speaker 1 I think he's an eight. That's where I'm at.
And it's not Caleb Williams, the organization. It's a fucking joke.

Speaker 10 Well, do you extend that same grace to the offensive coordinators that come in?

Speaker 10 Is it the Bears just working for the Bears that makes offensive coordinators suck?

Speaker 1 No, well, we hired the worst offensive coordinator on the market. Yeah.
I mean, Jackson Smith and Jigby laughed when he got hired. We all knew this was going to happen.
It's not revisionist history.

Speaker 1 It's just wishful thinking that went totally awry. Okay.

Speaker 1 Raiders at Dolphins.

Speaker 1 We are back to Gardner Minchie. What were you going to say, Max? You had something else?

Speaker 13 No, I had nothing else.

Speaker 1 You were looking at me like you wanted to say something.

Speaker 2 No, I just like Caleb Williams. Memes likes Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 I love Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 You could get, who knows? Who knows? It's year one. You could get it.

Speaker 1 You guys are being nice.

Speaker 1 I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 I appreciate you guys being nice. I really do as friends.

Speaker 2 You don't have to. Caleb Williams is the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck.
How many times did you hear that?

Speaker 1 Max,

Speaker 1 I agree with you.

Speaker 10 Caleb Williams is still,

Speaker 10 he's still a good quarterback. He just needs to get in a comfortable system.
He needs to not be

Speaker 10 surrounded by a hurricane of shit.

Speaker 2 And he needs his players to not hate him. He needs his wide receivers to not hate him.

Speaker 2 DJ Moore's got to get out of here.

Speaker 1 I said that. Let me get out of here.
All right. How about this?

Speaker 10 What if Caleb Williams, right now, what if he was on the open market?

Speaker 7 For a trade? Easily.

Speaker 10 He's not.

Speaker 10 What do you give up for him? First-round pick?

Speaker 1 Ask me, wants him. All right, you can have him.

Speaker 10 I take him. First-round pick.
He's still the first-round pick quarterback.

Speaker 1 I still want him to go. I still want him.
I'm not trading him.

Speaker 2 There we go. See, that's all we need.

Speaker 1 That's all we needed you to say. It's bad, but I'm not trading him.

Speaker 2 And they're going to beat the Packers.

Speaker 1 And Shane Waldron was the reason for all of this.

Speaker 1 Raiders at Dolphins.

Speaker 13 Line?

Speaker 1 Oh, we got it right there. Yep.

Speaker 10 Raiders at Dolphins. It is going to be seven.

Speaker 4 Minus seven for the Dolphins. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank, you do the line.

Speaker 10 Over under 44.

Speaker 1 Okay, Hank will do the line. So we're back to Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 we have to be full disclosure.

Speaker 1 I think I speak for both of us, PFT, when I say that we're rooting for the Raiders' offense to have some success because our friend Scott Turner is now the OC. Yep.

Speaker 1 We like Scott Turner.

Speaker 10 And Norv Turner. His dad is working as a consultant with the team.
Love that. Norville.

Speaker 1 Bowled with Scott Turner in the 2019 Final Four in Minneapolis. I said Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 Minneapolis had a great night.

Speaker 1 Great time. No's brother too.
So we love the Turners. Yep.

Speaker 1 I don't know how the Raiders are going to be able to run the ball, though. And I think that's what Scott Turner wants to do.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's going to be a challenge for him.

Speaker 10 We're getting Florida man Minshew.

Speaker 1 True. Good point.

Speaker 10 So you're always looking for what kind of spark you can get out of Minshew. We always say if you put Minshew in as a backup quarterback, you get a spark.

Speaker 10 I feel like in the state of Florida, that's when you're going to get pure Garder Minshew. I know he's not from Florida, but he's got big-time Florida energy to him.

Speaker 10 I like the possibility of him doing some fuck shit this weekend. Yeah.
Now, this is a rest game, too.

Speaker 1 It's a big time.

Speaker 10 It's a big-time rest game. It's a bye week for the Raiders, and then it's a short week for the Dolphins who played on Monday night.

Speaker 10 So you might say to yourself, that heavily favors the Raiders in this situation. But the Dolphins are 5-0 against the spread when they are at a rest disadvantage

Speaker 10 since 2022. So the Dolphins don't need sleep.
Yeah. They're like sharks.
Just keep swimming.

Speaker 1 Also, Tua said he would do it again. Yeah.
When going headfirst into a tackle.

Speaker 10 I think he also said that just discourages me from throwing interceptions.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 10 Yeah, whatever it takes.

Speaker 1 I think we have to stop the hand-wringing about Tua. I know that everyone wanted him to maybe maybe walk away.

Speaker 1 Tua knows what Tua knows at this point.

Speaker 1 I mean, if he's going to jump headfirst into people, it's like, what are you going to do? Yeah. What are you going to do? Yeah.

Speaker 10 I mean, Tua wants to play football.

Speaker 1 He wants to play football. You can't stop someone.

Speaker 1 I'm a believer in

Speaker 1 freedom of choice.

Speaker 7 You should be able to do this.

Speaker 10 Yeah. The Dolphins,

Speaker 10 so they are just coming off. I believe they cut their team captain, which hardly ever happens.
I can't think of another time that a team captain has been cut mid-season.

Speaker 7 Shane Waldron was our team captain. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 10 And Desmond Ritter is now being talked about by certain segments of Raiders fans as being the answer.

Speaker 10 So that's kind of a sad state of affairs that you've got in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 Desmond Ritter is the answer.

Speaker 10 I don't know what the question is. Yeah.

Speaker 10 What question could Desmond Ritter possibly be the answer to?

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 this game, the Dolphins are second in pass pass blocking. The Raiders are 29th in pass rush, but the Raiders do do a good job.

Speaker 1 They do the Chiefs defense where they just don't let explosives down the field. I think it might be a little tighter.
I just don't know how the Raiders' offense does anything.

Speaker 1 And it's not because of Scott Turner. He's a very good play caller.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Ultimately, this might come down to football guy versus nerd. Yeah.
Who do you take? Antonio Pierce or Mike McDaniel?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next game. Colts at Jets.

Speaker 7 Colts at Jets line, Hank.

Speaker 1 That was your only job. Right here.
The Jets are minus four.

Speaker 4 The over-under is 43 and a half.

Speaker 1 You do the lines. I got the lines.
Live Max got the lines now.

Speaker 1 I can do the lines. I just don't know what you're doing.
But you have other things going on.

Speaker 10 I just don't know what game you pulled up.

Speaker 1 I haven't pulled up yet. Yeah, Max has them pulled up.

Speaker 7 I haven't pulled up. Hank's out.

Speaker 1 Okay. Max.
Damn.

Speaker 1 Colts at Jets. Memes.

Speaker 1 Jeff Olbrook said to the team that they're going to return to fundamentals of tackling and being pads, and then needed a tackling presentation for the team before practice.

Speaker 1 What do we think about that? Sometimes you got to keep some things to yourself.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
Some media training for Jeff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't say anything.

Speaker 10 This is why Jeff isn't, you don't have a head coach.

Speaker 19 No, he ruined all chances of becoming a head coach.

Speaker 17 He was going to get some interviews in the offseason, and now he's going to get some coaches.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he was.

Speaker 2 No, he was predicting to get some.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 19 But then he got promoted to head coach, and now he's.

Speaker 1 Who told you that? Tyson Bajan's dad?

Speaker 10 A bunch of Florios. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 A bunch of Florios.

Speaker 10 You hear the good Florios. You've got two Florios on your shoulder at any given time.
And depending on what mood you're in, you listen to the Angel or The Demon.

Speaker 10 This case, I don't feel like Jeff Ulbrick was going to be like a real hot name.

Speaker 7 He would have got some interviews.

Speaker 1 He would have got some interviews.

Speaker 7 Okay, memes.

Speaker 1 Here's some good news for you. When Aaron Rodgers was asked if he's going to play in 2025, he said, I think so, yeah.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 17 I'm kind of fired up.

Speaker 1 Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 10 All right, so real quick, Meeves, I had a question about Jeff Ulbricke.

Speaker 1 This is really bad for me, too, because

Speaker 1 the Jets and Bears are in equal hell. So you being fired up just shows how ridiculous I am whenever I get fired up.

Speaker 17 Hold on. I said, kind of fired up.

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 2 Did you take that as like a...

Speaker 2 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's not an advance.

Speaker 2 You said, I think I'm fired up as if his answer was, yes, I'm back.

Speaker 7 I just got to see who the coach is.

Speaker 10 Well, this is also tremendous inconsistency from you, Memes, because you said, I believe, last week, that you hope that he retires.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but it's a roller coaster room for the job.

Speaker 10 Okay, so right now, where you're at at 3.10 p.m. on Thursday,

Speaker 10 you want Aaron Rodgers to play next year, and you're kind of fired up about him kind of wanting to play next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you could go all in in the offseason.

Speaker 1 Let's put it in this analogy, okay? So

Speaker 1 I have a garage at home, and every now and then I'll forget to hit the garage door when I leave. If my wife texts me and said, did you hit the garage door? And I say, I think so, yeah.

Speaker 1 She's like, fuck, he didn't do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah, is not a good,

Speaker 1 that's a lot of no in a think so, yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, you got to see how the team looks in the offseason.

Speaker 1 Did you remember to do this? I think so, yeah. That's pretty much, well, now I have to go, did you remember to turn off the oven? I think so, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 19 I think the idea of Aaron Rodgers, he's a Hall of Fame quarterback,

Speaker 19 is good, but Aaron Rodgers right now is not good.

Speaker 17 Yeah, so I just want to keep believing that he's going to have that Aaron Rodgers performance, and maybe next year is that year.

Speaker 10 What other former friends of Aaron Rodgers would have to get signed by the Jets for you to be like, yes, we're rebuilding. We're all all in again.

Speaker 19 David Bacchiari.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 Oh, the missing link.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the missing link.

Speaker 2 I have some news on Memes' mental headspace right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Before we started here, Memes said,

Speaker 2 Memes goes, I hope that they lose this week so that they can just die. Oh.
And I picked up on what he said, and I was like, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 If they lose this week, they're dead?

Speaker 1 So they're not dead yet.

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 2 And he goes, well, if you look at the percentages, if they win this weekend, they're actually still alive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they bounce up to 20%. Memes, are the Jets dead right now

Speaker 1 technically no okay the answer there was i think so yeah

Speaker 1 i i don't know you never know because that gives you a little no

Speaker 10 yeah no i if they win they could technically be all right so what does a perfect weekend look like for you to win uh the perfect weekend actually happened last weekend yeah i know which is why you were like but you were down after the perfect weekend yeah so they'll win and everybody else will win okay so you'll do you you'll hold up your end of the bargain yeah hold on can we just remind the listeners what happened to the Jets this weekend?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Defense doesn't travel.

Speaker 1 They got killed by the Cardinals. They got smoked.

Speaker 1 Memes,

Speaker 1 I'm living one week ahead of you. We got smoked by the Cardinals, and I was like, it's over.
We walked into that Patriots game. I was like, we're going to lose this game.
You need to get in line.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals are just our graveyarding teams. Yeah.

Speaker 10 So would you rather go up against Joe Flacco or Anthony Richardson this weekend? Joe Flacco.

Speaker 1 So you don't like the move to Anthony Richardson. He's actually right because it's.
We can't stop the run. Yeah.

Speaker 19 I imagine the switch to Anthony Richardson was they watched the Cardinals film and we can't tackle and Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson are just going to run the ball every single point.

Speaker 1 That would be crazy if Shane Steichen didn't throw a pass.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Shane Steichen said, well, he had a quote about Anthony Richardson. He said, over the last two weeks, he's made strides, big-time strides, in becoming a pros pro.

Speaker 10 So we got pros pro Anthony Richardson coming in. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 The problem that Shane Steichen,

Speaker 1 I always thought that benching Anthony Richardson, we've talked about this, was kind of weird because you're not probably not a playoff team, but then they're like, maybe we are a playoff team.

Speaker 1 You don't want to lose the locker room. Get the whatever.
The problem was they said that Joe Flacco was the future or the starter going forward.

Speaker 1 They should have just said Anthony Richardson needs a couple games to get his head on right. And then you go back to him because now you're going back to him.

Speaker 1 Essentially saying we're not going to the playoffs.

Speaker 10 Yeah, the Colts, they should just say whoever has the best week of practice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They should just just honestly

Speaker 10 get open competition.

Speaker 1 They should flip a coin and just take all, just be like, hey, we're just going to go this way, that way, no one loses their coin.

Speaker 10 All right, so I think we can all agree that at some point this season, the Colts are going to go back to Joe Flacco, right?

Speaker 1 Probably. Probably.
But

Speaker 1 definitely, because Anthony Richardson might get tired.

Speaker 10 That's true. But, I mean, as a starting quarterback.
Yeah. If he gets tired from hard

Speaker 1 practice.

Speaker 10 I think they will. The real question is,

Speaker 10 are the Colts going to go back to Anthony Richardson this season? I think so, yeah. So, okay, we're going to get back and forth, back and forth.
I think so, yeah. At least one more time.

Speaker 1 I like that. I like that.

Speaker 10 And is there any rule that says that you have to name a starting quarterback, like, before the actual game?

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah, it's actually a great answer because you just give yourself such a great out. Yeah.
Like, yeah, well, I didn't say yes. I said, I think so, yeah.

Speaker 10 So when Aaron Rodgers says, I think so, yeah, at returning, is he thinking that he might get a job in the administration? And in that case, he won't be back?

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 1 There it is. There it is.

Speaker 10 That honestly wouldn't be the most shocking thing ever, would it?

Speaker 1 If

Speaker 10 Rodgers wished to work for the government.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 I think his odds are better for that than the one who returns to the business.

Speaker 1 Did you see the deep dive into Aaron Rodgers on ESPN? Did you read that article? I did not.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 I mean, it wasn't anything new. It was basically like this guy, you know, he's a legend.

Speaker 7 He's hurt.

Speaker 1 He doesn't doesn't have his mobility, and I think the biggest issue is that he demands perfection.

Speaker 1 And a lot of the players in talking about it, like they were talking offensive linemen wide receivers, that you have to be perfect and on his wavelength, and he doesn't always explain what his wavelength is.

Speaker 10 What does wavelength mean?

Speaker 1 Like, you got to know where he wants you. He wants everything specific.
Like, he wants to know that you're going to be at this spot, at this location, at this part of the drop, like all that stuff.

Speaker 1 It's the Mike Williams play that that ended that game against the Bills.

Speaker 10 It sounds like something that an offensive coordinator should be in charge of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they don't have one. Yeah.

Speaker 19 We don't have anything.

Speaker 14 I didn't realize he referred to Nathaniel Hackett as his best friend.

Speaker 7 I didn't realize he was his best friend.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's crazy.
Best friend. Too nice of a guy.
Too nice of a guy.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next up, Browns at Saints.
Max.

Speaker 1 We're going to get this eventually. I got it.
I got it. I got it.

Speaker 2 I was so confused. I was like, neither of these are my teams.

Speaker 7 It is.

Speaker 10 Memes, you're in charge.

Speaker 13 Browns minus one against the Saints.

Speaker 10 You're jumping all over the map. No one knows what game you're going to go to.
Yeah, but it's all right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 7 It was literally right there.

Speaker 1 It was literally the very next one.

Speaker 7 It's on there.

Speaker 2 I just panicked because normally you say max when it's the Eagles. I was like, neither of these are my teams.

Speaker 1 No, I just, I went, I think I went off of

Speaker 1 how ESPN had them listed.

Speaker 15 So,

Speaker 1 okay, Browns Saints. I love the Browns in this game.
I think we're back with Jameis.

Speaker 10 Yeah, also, big news out of Browns camp this week. Vrabel's back on the field.
Oh. Vrabel put on the practice jersey and went out there, took some reps at defensive end.

Speaker 10 Now,

Speaker 10 it was the red non-contact jersey. I expect more from Vrabes.
I was hoping maybe some pads and cleats. I actually do think he was wearing cleats.
But yeah, he's back on the field.

Speaker 10 And Jameis revenge game.

Speaker 1 Jameis revenge game.

Speaker 10 I also just think that the interim bump is, you can only do so much. It's over.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It actually, I was looking back at the game on Sunday, the Falcons and the Saints. I actually think the interim bump ended at halftime, but they were able to hold on.

Speaker 1 Because if you look at that game, the Falcons outgained him by over 100 yards. The Falcons had

Speaker 7 I think it was 11 more first downs.

Speaker 1 The Falcons ran for 181 yards on the Saints. The Saints just got off to a hot start.
They went with passion and fight, and and then they were able to hold on to the last second.

Speaker 1 That was a little misleading. The Browns coming off a bye.
Nick Chubb now feels like he might be fully. This might be the Nick Chubbs all the way back game.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's how I'm feeling.

Speaker 10 I don't hate that. The only counteraction is if the Rizzler clogs a toilet before this game.
Yeah. That's what he's got to do.
He's got to take a massive, massive dump.

Speaker 1 He has to.

Speaker 10 Bring Bounty Gate back, but this time it's about paper towels.

Speaker 1 Yes. He has to.
So, yeah, I mean, I just think the Saints, Saints are 30th in pass blocking. The Browns are fourth in pass rush.
The Saints can't stop the run.

Speaker 1 The Browns are going to want to try to run.

Speaker 7 I'm backing on Jameis.

Speaker 1 Back in on Jameis. Yeah,

Speaker 10 let's get some weird stuff going here, Jameis. You know the building.

Speaker 10 You know where everything is located in that town. You're going to show up to the game, give a big pregame speech.
It's going to be excellent. I think I like the Browns too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Rams at Patriots.

Speaker 2 Rams minus four and a half at the Patriots.

Speaker 1 You know what? Next week when I write all these down, I'll just write down on my notes the line. So I can just read it right from my notes.
That was my mistake. But it could change.

Speaker 1 But it could change. It could change.
It could change.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 4 I'm going in optimistic.

Speaker 4 Probably the first time that

Speaker 4 I'm working my way into actually rooting for this team and being excited about games.

Speaker 4 I think we could win this game. I like how Drake May has been playing.
It's been exciting.

Speaker 4 The Rams are a good team, well coached. There's a chance that Sean McVay, you know, just absolutely alphas the fuck out of Mayo and they score like 40 points.

Speaker 4 That's definitely a possibility, but I like our chances.

Speaker 4 I like us hungry dogs.

Speaker 10 What about Drake May's speech?

Speaker 1 It's a great speech. He gave

Speaker 10 a candidate for speech of the year. So he addressed the log.
He asked the offensive coordinator permission first, permission to address the offense.

Speaker 10 Permission granted Drake, and then apparently he stumbled over his words a couple times, but the message got across. And Demario Douglas heard it and said, okay, it's serious now.

Speaker 10 Now that Drake May is taking leadership on it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we got a leader. We got a leader.
We got a good quarterback. The players are bought in.
They believe in him.

Speaker 4 I think they're going to fight.

Speaker 1 I think the Bears quit, so I think that was a little misleading.

Speaker 4 That's fair.

Speaker 1 Not from Drake May. I think Drake May is pretty good.
I think Drake May is like, he's kind of, he's kind of got a little Josh Allen.

Speaker 10 He likes to take off.

Speaker 1 And a couple, you know, the interceptions, if you can, Josh Allen threw a lot of interceptions the first year, like, bring him down.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not saying he's Josh Allen, but I like Drake May, what I've seen. I'm talking more about the Patriots' defense.
They had nine sacks, which was,

Speaker 1 you know, they had 16 going into the week against the Bears, and then they had nine against the Bears.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and the Bears' offensive line is a joke. I don't think you can pay too much mind to that.
That's what I'm saying. I think I'm excited for the Patriots' offense.

Speaker 4 I think there's a chance that the defense, you know, again, and McVay's a really good coach and Mayo is not the most experienced, so this could be a serious mismatch.

Speaker 4 Rams offense, Pat's defense, and the Patriots could lose. But

Speaker 4 we're at the point in the season where it's like, I want them to win and I want the Patriots to play well. Even if we lose, I just hope that, you know, the offense looks good.

Speaker 10 Yeah. And yeah, your defense looked good last week.
The Rams' offensive line did not look good last week.

Speaker 10 But it's one of those tricky things where the Rams went from being very injured, so you can blame poor offensive line play on just having stopgap guys to then now you can blame their bad offensive line play on getting their healthy players back and not having any chemistry with the rest of the offensive line and they didn't give them much help I think they used 12 personnel 9% of the time in week 10 which is like 25% lower than what they've been doing all season yeah the Rams yeah it felt like that was the week they got healthy but not all the they need a game under it yeah and the Rams have to win like they are still very much alive alive.

Speaker 1 What's the weather going to be like, though? That is

Speaker 1 Rams cross coverage. That's a long trip.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Also,

Speaker 10 who's keeping the light?

Speaker 4 I don't know who's keeping the light in Boston on Sunday. It's going to be nice.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 42.59. Obviously, Gillette's a little bit outside of that, but

Speaker 1 it looks like it'll be perfectly good weather.

Speaker 4 Sunny, sunny, 50 degrees.

Speaker 10 Did you watch the season finale of the Aaron Hernandez sports story?

Speaker 4 No, I haven't watched the season beginning.

Speaker 10 Season finale is interesting.

Speaker 1 The guy that's Kirk Minahan happens.

Speaker 4 Does Aaron survive? I gotta watch.

Speaker 10 Basically, what they did was they did a full season on Aaron Hernandez's life, nine episodes on his life, his family, his career, and then episode 10 was Kirk Minahan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw the clips. I have to watch the whole episode.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Kirk Minahan basically.

Speaker 10 He's like, yeah, he did it. He was the villain.
He is

Speaker 10 the brand, the broken, of the season of American Sports Story.

Speaker 1 It's ridiculous. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait till Aaron Hernandez dies. He does.
He does. Fuck.

Speaker 19 He does. So I got to watch that.
Season 2.

Speaker 10 I don't know if there's going to be a season two.

Speaker 1 I did see that Kirk had a full

Speaker 1 he had a full

Speaker 1 movie theater pack to watch it, which is very funny. Yeah.
So I got to watch that. I haven't caught up on any TV.

Speaker 1 I've started like six different shows. I got to watch the Penguin.
I heard that was going to be so good. Yeah, I'm not even close to it.

Speaker 1 I started the Menendez thing, maybe two episodes, haven't gone back to it.

Speaker 10 I gave up on that. Shrinking.

Speaker 1 shrinking is awesome. I know, but I can't, I just can't.
I start it, and then football comes back on.

Speaker 10 Penguin, Penguin's good. Okay, Hank, worth your time.
All right, I'll watch the Penguin. Also, the Aaron Hernandez, just because the guy that plays Matt Patricia and Robert Kraft.

Speaker 2 You've said that about like 10 guys.

Speaker 10 I mean, the Matt Patricia guy.

Speaker 10 What they did was they basically put a visor and a pencil on Max and then just had him sit in silence. And they're like, here's Matt.

Speaker 1 Sounds like Matt Patricia. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That does.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next up. So, Hank, optimistic, also excited to watch Drake May.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think that's fair. I'm glad that you're excited, finally.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you finally got what we were telling you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If he gets hurt, rookie quarterbacks, watching rookie quarterbacks can be fun.

Speaker 10 If he gets hurt, or if he gets, uh,

Speaker 10 if he gets tired during a play and has to take a spell, we going back to Jacoby Brissette or is this Joe Milton?

Speaker 4 I don't care. If that happens, I'm back out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You just turn it off.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Vikings at Titans.

Speaker 1 Vikings at Titans, Max.

Speaker 2 That would be the Vikings minus six at the Titans.

Speaker 1 Oh, you yelled that.

Speaker 2 Well, I got excited because I was quick with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were quick with that.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to make of this game because I still believe in the Titans defense, and I think Sam Jarnold's slipping, but I also know that Brian Flores is probably going to cause massive havoc.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 this is his wet dream is going up against Will Levis. Yeah.
A man who gets

Speaker 10 excited easily. I'll put it that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I kind of want to take the Titans in the first half.

Speaker 1 They've played good football in the first 30 minutes of every game. Not every game, but a lot of the games, and then they just fall apart.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 I go back to that matchup. Brian Flores is tough enough to deal with if you've been in the league for a long time.
And I feel like he sees a quarterback with

Speaker 10 lots of tattoos on his throwing arm, and he thinks to himself,

Speaker 10 I'm just going to fuck this guy up this weekend. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Max just pulled up.
The Titans are still first in defensive yards allowed. They're also 11th in DVOA.
They're a good defense. Everything else, I don't know what to make of it.

Speaker 10 They can get run on, though. Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 10 The last three weeks, they've had like 137 rushing yards per game against him.

Speaker 1 That was also the Lions, though. Yeah, that's true.
And that was Jameer Gibbs' like 80-yard rush.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 10 I saw an article that said that Sam Darnold could actually be the Titans quarterback next year.

Speaker 1 That's perfect.

Speaker 10 As a bridge quarterback.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Is that perfect?

Speaker 10 So, this could be a test drive for Sam. If you're the Titans' defense, are you being told, hey, let's see what he can do.
Let's run some different patterns.

Speaker 10 Let's mix up the coverages to see how he would fare against certain types of defenses so we can get a scouting.

Speaker 1 I'm mad I didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 That couldn't be a more perfect fit.

Speaker 10 It would be a great fit, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, last early game, Jaguars at Lions.

Speaker 1 Jaguars

Speaker 1 at Lions, 13. No, I see him 14.
14.

Speaker 1 That's on me.

Speaker 10 I saw him earlier today. It was 13.
It's 14.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the Jaguars have been underdogs of 13 plus points. How many times since 2010?

Speaker 10 Since 2010.

Speaker 1 Since 2010. 13 plus points a lot.
That doesn't happen often in the NFL.

Speaker 1 11. 6.

Speaker 1 18 times.

Speaker 1 18 times they've been 13 plus point underdogs since 2010, to put it in perspective. Since 1970, the Pittsburgh Steelers have been 13 plus point underdogs one single time.

Speaker 1 That's quite something. That's quite something.

Speaker 10 They pay these guys to play football, too.

Speaker 1 But this is Doug Peterson's firing game.

Speaker 1 It's a bye week next week. Trevor Lawrence is hurt.
Mac Jones is going again.

Speaker 1 I have this circle that's quit watch.

Speaker 10 I'm predicting

Speaker 10 over one and a half interceptions for Mac Jones this weekend.

Speaker 1 Mac Jones is 4-15 against the spread in his last 19 starts as an underdog. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It does feel like a blowout.

Speaker 1 It feels like a blowout early and then a quit because if you're going to fire Doug Peterson in season, it's going to be after playing the Lions, going on a bye week.

Speaker 1 That all just kind of tracks, right? Yeah. So, and the Lions,

Speaker 1 I think they're the

Speaker 1 I think they're the number one team I would trust with a double-digit spread in the NFL right now. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I mean, their offense has all the weapons. It feels like they can score 30 points against anybody.
And it does. The Jacksonville secondary is like one of the worst.

Speaker 10 They don't have a single person that's in the top 50 at Pro Football Focus.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it also feels like the Lions are just like, they're so dialed in, they're just push, push, push.

Speaker 1 What was that face ink? You're going to take the Jaguars? I think so.

Speaker 4 This is like, this is the NFL makes no sense game of maybe the year.

Speaker 1 Really? Don't you think? No.

Speaker 10 They won't won't be able to pass the ball. What if they're going to get they're going to get at least 35 points scored on them?

Speaker 1 I like you releasing that, though. That was for free, just so AWLs know.
Hank just released his the NFL Makes No Sense game of the year.

Speaker 2 You're talking money line?

Speaker 4 I will be taking the spread.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. You got to take money line.

Speaker 2 After making that statement,

Speaker 4 I'll definitely take him money line personally. I probably won't put him in the hungry dog, but I'll take them spread for, well, I won't give away my picks.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 4 But I will take them Jaguars if no one else does.

Speaker 10 And also, I love the fact that Jared Goff threw five interceptions last week. Yeah.
I love it because he's not going to do it again.

Speaker 10 You got him out of his system.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Agreed.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 you want a crazy stat? This is a mind-blowing stat that I found.

Speaker 1 Aiden Hutchinson is still fifth in the NFL in total pressure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's pretty nuts.

Speaker 10 They were saying that he probably would have broken the all-time record if he stayed healthy.

Speaker 1 He hasn't played in in weeks.

Speaker 1 Also, this is from Sports Info Solutions. The Jaguars giving up

Speaker 1 11 yards a play versus play-action passes this year, 31st.

Speaker 1 The Lions are pretty damn good at play-action passes. But the NFL makes no sense game of the year.
So now I'm in a pickle.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so Hank, how confident are you in this pick?

Speaker 4 In plus 14? Yeah. Confident.

Speaker 1 What about money line?

Speaker 4 Not, but I will do it.

Speaker 10 But it sounds like you're supremely confident at plus 14.

Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 the NFL makes no sense.

Speaker 4 There's not like stats viral. It's not very close.

Speaker 4 But it happens every year. There's always games where it's like, how the fuck did the Lions lose to the Jaguars? When the playoffs come, I don't think it's going to affect their seating.

Speaker 4 I don't think it's going to affect the battle.

Speaker 1 I love this energy.

Speaker 4 Like, it'll be, you know, oh, yeah, the Patriots lost to the Bengals. Like,

Speaker 4 that was week one, so it's not, it's harder for that to happen.

Speaker 10 It's like when Doug Peterson said after the last game, you wouldn't understand, he's talking about like this type of game. You don't understand.
The NFL doesn't make sense to you.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 I'm very close to now releasing my Doug Peterson is going to get fired after this game, game of the year.

Speaker 1 Very close. And here's the only thing I'll say to you, Hank.
I know what you're saying. There is always one or two of these games.
Can I interest you in a different option for this? Sure.

Speaker 1 The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 7 They're 10-0.

Speaker 14 Next week, they play the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 4 Nah, it's the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 The Chiefs have Chiefs. The Lions don't have the Chiefs.
The Lions have the opposite of the Chiefs Black Magic.

Speaker 1 Jack Mac, our guy, Jack Mac, said, I just saw him tweeting about it that I guess it's like a trend on TikTok right now that people are making memes about the Panthers ending the Chiefs. undefeated.

Speaker 7 Like that calling their shot.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, like everyone's just making hype videos a week and a half in advance. I like that.

Speaker 10 Listen, the Panthers have 14 days to get ready for the Chiefs. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's dangerous with 14 days. What's Bryce Young's record off a long breast?

Speaker 1 Dave Canalis is dangerous with 14 days.

Speaker 1 Dangerous.

Speaker 1 I just like that the internet's getting ahead of this.

Speaker 1 I mean, it would be so funny if it happened and they just called their shot.

Speaker 10 This would be a shocking.

Speaker 1 Can you watch one of them, Memes? Can you find one?

Speaker 10 If Hank's right, this is a shocking result.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This would be a shocking, shocking result if this happens. All right, Meme's going to find one for us before we

Speaker 10 feel like this is a matchup of two teams that never play each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 10 It does feel like Lions and the Jaguars. Yeah.
Never seen that before.

Speaker 1 Panthers and Chiefs also. Yeah, big time.
Yeah, big time to haven't played each other.

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Speaker 10 All right, let's watch this.

Speaker 7 You got this?

Speaker 1 Okay, so before we do the afternoon games, I want to see these

Speaker 1 memes that are going around about the Panthers ending the Chiefs perfect which again is 10 days early

Speaker 1 uh because they still they they might have a oh Max just had to do a are you a human drag the slide thing all right let's see this we're gonna stop who's gonna stop the chiefs three Pete I like that the Panthers have their swag back a little bit you got it this is what I love about and kind of miss about having just like everything to complain about yeah is it forces you to find creative ways to love your team yeah this is yeah because like we

Speaker 1 we haven't seen this fight from the Panthers in forever. Oh, hero.
It's Bryce Young. He's thrown one of his multiple touchdown passes he's thrown.
I love this. I love this.

Speaker 10 Good spiral.

Speaker 1 That was maybe a preseason game.

Speaker 10 This is great. I like it when they also mix in like a dropped pass.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 10 The highlight reel. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so good luck to the Panthers in the. That might be my NFL Makes No Sense game of the year.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Afternoon games. We have the Falcons at the Broncos.

Speaker 1 I think the Broncos are going to get off the mat here and respond very well. And I think the Broncos are going to win this game.
And I think we're going to be like, what's up with the Falcons?

Speaker 1 Can they win a game?

Speaker 10 Well, fun stat about Sean Payton, because I was thinking about this game, Payton going up against an old NFC South opponent. Sean Payton this year is 3-0 against the NFC South, his old division.

Speaker 10 And not only is he 3-0 against the South, he's absolutely fucked them up this year. The only team that was within 14 points was the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 1 So Sean Payton revenged him.

Speaker 10 The feisty Panthers. So they have a plus 56 point differential in NFC South games.

Speaker 10 I like the Panthers, or excuse me, I like the Broncos. They just replaced their field.
For the third time. Third time, three years in a row, brought in newgrass.
It's Kentucky bluegrass.

Speaker 10 And they surprised Sean Payton with it. He didn't know what was going to happen.
He's like, oh, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Got you a new feel. I love it.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 1 The Broncos are two and a half point favorites.

Speaker 1 Here's why I like the Broncos in this game. The Falcons cannot rush the passer at all.
30-second in pass rush.

Speaker 1 They don't blitz. They don't do anything.
They just don't get to the passer.

Speaker 1 Bo Nicks with time, lethal, bow levers. I think this whole podcast, are we all bow levers now?

Speaker 10 No, I've been a bow lever since week one.

Speaker 1 I've gone back and forth, but I'm officially a bow leaver.

Speaker 1 And the Broncos are a bit of a...

Speaker 4 A work of the week, that's all you need to say.

Speaker 10 A pass-walking, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've been scarred by bow nicks in college, so it took me a little bit, but I'm now a bow leaver, fully.

Speaker 10 Welcome aboard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel good about being there. Bow lever.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to make of the Falcons.

Speaker 10 I think the Falcons, they're the perfect team that you would put into the slot of losing a wild card weekend playoff game. Yeah, that makes sense.
I think that they're good.

Speaker 1 I would like the Broncos. I would like the Bucs to

Speaker 7 maybe get that spot because I feel like the Bucks are more.

Speaker 1 I just like Baker. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I just love Baker. Now, Memes is going to be watching this game like a hawk.
Oh, yeah. Like a goddamn hawk.
Oh, you need the Falcons. He needs the Falcons bad.

Speaker 10 No bigger Falcons fan than Memes this weekend.

Speaker 1 You need the Falcons bad. You need the Chargers bad, too, right?

Speaker 1 And then you would be...

Speaker 1 That would make you almost all the way back. Almost all the way back.

Speaker 19 The playoff percentages are hilarious on the playoff picture on nfl.com.

But if you get those,

Speaker 7 you would be

Speaker 1 if the Bengals, obviously the Colts would have to lose because you have to win, you'd be one game back, memes.

Speaker 19 And we have a buy after the Colts. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Get some people healthy. Get healthy.
Okay, I might believe in this, too.

Speaker 10 Yeah, there's some. This is another game where these teams have never played each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, especially in Denver. In Denver.

Speaker 10 In Denver. It feels like the Falcons are not an altitude team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is the weird matchup week.

Speaker 10 Although Young Thug can go to this game. He can.
He's allowed to. Oh, yeah, he can.
Yeah, yeah. He should go to all their road games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he should absolutely.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Seahawks at Niners. Seahawks at Niners.

Speaker 1 Seahawks off a bye.

Speaker 1 The Seahawks, we talked about the Dolphins cutting their captain. The Seahawks cut their leading tackler, which is a little weird.

Speaker 1 Linebacker Tyrell Dodson doesn't really make sense.

Speaker 1 Geno Smith has never beaten Kyle Shanahan, but if we're going off of like what team needs something more, the Seahawks, this does kind of feel like they're seasoned. Like they have to win this game.

Speaker 10 They have to. They have to avenge the loss from earlier this year.

Speaker 10 The 49ers are getting better on offense. So their offense, without Christian McCaffrey for most of the season,

Speaker 10 they are plus 1.4 net yards per play, which is the second best offense in the NFL. But their red zone is bad.
Red zone's bad.

Speaker 1 Below 50%,

Speaker 1 one of six teams that are below 50%.

Speaker 1 But that's crazy. Maybe Christian McCaffrey being back is going to help that out a lot.

Speaker 10 This is why I'm not out on the Niners at all. I feel like this is perfectly Niners to start out this slow, and then they put their foot on the gas.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 the NFC West, no one's run away with it. So, yeah, the Niners are going to be in a fine spot.
I just, yeah,

Speaker 1 this is the Seahawks season. Off a buy, you got the spot.
You're playing in the division. If you can find a way to win this, your season's still alive.

Speaker 1 If you lose this, it's going to be big, big trouble.

Speaker 10 It does not make any sense to cut your leading tackler, does it?

Speaker 7 No, I don't get it.

Speaker 10 It's like, how much, how much more would you like him to tackle? Yeah, I don't get it. That seems like a problem.

Speaker 10 If you're mad that he has that many tackles, it's probably a problem with the guys that play in front of him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, cutting your leading tackler, cutting your team captain, weird moves. Yep.
All right, last one. I'm captain now.

Speaker 7 In the afternoon,

Speaker 1 the best one, Chiefs at Bills. Chiefs at Bills,

Speaker 1 we should start, as always, Patrick Mahomes is 12-1-1 against the spread as an underdog. That needs to be said.
That needs to be said. That needs to be said.
That needs to be said again.

Speaker 1 12-1-1 as an underdog.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs are winning games by the skin of their teeth. Are they playing with fire?

Speaker 1 I don't know because the.

Speaker 10 Because I would say that the University of Miami, they've been playing with fire all year. And they got burned.
And they got burned.

Speaker 1 BYU's been playing with fire. They've been playing with fire.

Speaker 10 I don't think that the Chiefs have been playing with fire.

Speaker 10 I think they've been grinding it out.

Speaker 1 I think they've played with fire. I don't know if they're playing with fire.

Speaker 10 Right now.

Speaker 1 They've played with fire.

Speaker 10 They've dabbled in fire.

Speaker 1 They've dabbled in fire.

Speaker 10 They've lit a match.

Speaker 1 The Broncos game last week was definitely dabbling with fire. That was definitely

Speaker 1 like a little kid lighting some grass on fire, being like, ooh, this is cool. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Also, sometimes playing with fire just kicks ass.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and this is more like a fire witch, like Game of Thrones, like blood sacrifice situation that they have going on.

Speaker 4 No, okay.

Speaker 10 Wait, was that the red-headed?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the one that was hot

Speaker 1 until she got old.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I know, but then she got hotter.

Speaker 4 But it's like they've, yeah,

Speaker 4 they've done some crazy shit to get to this spot, and that might be the fire they're playing with.

Speaker 1 But it's not, it does, it's because Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes and it's Andy Reid that if it were any other team, I think we'd be like, they're fraudulent.

Speaker 1 Because they keep getting these crazy endings and they...

Speaker 10 But you can't say the Chiefs are fraudulent because they've done it before, and they might just be like you said tough there's a part of me that thinks that maybe the chiefs have intentionally not blown teams out yeah so that they can learn how to win and be comfortable winning close games that would not like andy reed when he when he dials up the weird shit in the red zone where he does like ring around the rosie he's got travis kelsey throwing like shovel passes to patrick mahomes that weird stuff like andy reed sometimes i think tries to put his team in very complicated situations to build up their mental toughness.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about... So Keon Coleman, I believe, is out.
Dalton Kincaid is most likely out. Amari Cooper is trying to come back.
It does feel like a lot of

Speaker 1 that's

Speaker 1 a lot of guys that the Bills need to be full strength. And again, Patrick Mahomes is an underdog.

Speaker 1 God damn it. The one thing that makes me bullish on the

Speaker 1 Bills here,

Speaker 1 Sports Info Solutions has the status. Chief Splits, the fourth most in the NFL.
Josh Allen has been the most efficient quarterback against the Blitz this season.

Speaker 10 But what makes me like the Bills is that the Bills take the ball away a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what makes me like the Bills, too.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Yeah, they take the ball away a lot, and Patrick Mahomes loves throwing interceptions.

Speaker 16 He does.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see Matt Collins' quote? It's the most

Speaker 1 like trying to inspire yourself for no fucking reason quote of all time. He said that he does not take elevators on away trips

Speaker 1 and on game days because no one is going to carry him to success.

Speaker 10 I like that.

Speaker 1 That's Bill Kane. Yeah, I don't like that.
Harbaugh. Ridiculous girl.

Speaker 10 How are you going to show your coach how much adversity you can respond to in a stuck elevator situation?

Speaker 1 He said when they get to the hotel, the team will, like, there'll be someone from the team who will be standing by the stairs being like, Mac, this way.

Speaker 10 Yeah. No shortcuts.
Take the stairs. I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1 We have an elevator here in this office. We have two floors.
I take it all the time.

Speaker 10 That's probably why my great-grandfather sucked at football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Love the elevator. Took the elevators.

Speaker 1 Success. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm so excited to watch this game.

Speaker 1 I just, I keep getting burned. Wait, what is this? Harrison Bucker's hurt?

Speaker 10 Harrison Bucker is out. Oh.
He's got a knee injury.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's actually huge.

Speaker 7 All right. Oh, I might be Bills now because that

Speaker 1 does feel like a field goal game.

Speaker 10 Here's what worries me a lot. Here's what worries me a lot, big cat.
The guy that they signed was off the Jets practice squad. They signed a kicker.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's going to be incredible. He's our kicker.

Speaker 11 We don't have a kicker on the roster.

Speaker 10 They signed a kicker who was not good enough to make the Jets as a kicker.

Speaker 11 He was our kicker last week.

Speaker 10 So, who's your kicker now? Anders Carlson.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 10 Swedish guy.

Speaker 1 He was bad on the Packers. He was really bad on the Packers.
But one game with the 49ers, he went for 4 or 5.

Speaker 10 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 One game?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 one game.

Speaker 10 That's about as low as you can get signing.

Speaker 1 A one-game sample size for a kicker?

Speaker 10 signing the jets backup kicker

Speaker 10 no but that imagine how bad he was in practice no no jets to be like

Speaker 1 no that's no this is a starting kicker

Speaker 10 that was a starting kicker so he's on the practice squad right now so they moved the jets on them

Speaker 10 okay now this seems like it was just done only to piss memes off but i would put the gm of the chiefs as a top florial right now because he just did this to fuck with and i'm now i'm back on the chiefs because hank what what is this game blood whatever you said, blood magic.

Speaker 4 Blood magic.

Speaker 1 Blood magic. The Jets practice squad kicker kicking a like 57-yarder to beat the Bills.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 And Anders Carlson missing a kick to beat the Colts. Those two things are going to happen.

Speaker 2 Don't forget about that one game, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the one game sample size. You went four for four.

Speaker 10 This also Andy Reid being like, we need to learn how to win in tough situations. Let's take our great kicker, the best kicker in the NFL, and we'll sub him in for a guy that can't make a kick.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 And we'll see if we can overcome him shanking some shit into the fifth.

Speaker 1 Just a little bit of adversity. Yeah.
Just a little bit of adversity.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 16 You crack me up, memes.

Speaker 1 So he was on the

Speaker 1 he did not

Speaker 1 have a game. Oh, he was five for five in two games.

Speaker 1 I believe it was two games.

Speaker 19 I thought it was just one, but either way, fired up.

Speaker 1 It was two games. Total.
He was five for five.

Speaker 10 Ratings Bonanza in this game. Ratings Banana.
Big time ratings.

Speaker 1 Ratings Bonanza. It's going to be an awesome game.

Speaker 10 CBS is jacking off to this game.

Speaker 10 I don't know, Jim. Ratings Bonanza on mute.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, last game on Sunday, Bengals at Chargers.
Boys, this is

Speaker 1 a huge one for our Chargers future.

Speaker 2 Chargers minus one and a half at home against Bengals.

Speaker 19 This is a huge one for our Chargers future.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Joe Burrow 0-2 against the Chargers. He's only played against Justin Herbert once.

Speaker 10 The over-under is pretty high on this game, isn't it? Yeah. Isn't it like 40%?

Speaker 1 But the Pengles just make everyone go over.

Speaker 10 They do make everyone go over. Joe Burrow leads the league in incredible, incredible performances where he ends up losing somehow.

Speaker 10 I love the Chargers here.

Speaker 10 I love how much Harbaugh loves Herbert. I love that shit.

Speaker 10 So we said on Sunday that he started telling reporters that we're going to start calling Justin Herbert Beast Herbert.

Speaker 1 Her beast?

Speaker 10 I think it was just Beast Herbert. And then you watch the mic'd up of Harbaugh during the game, and you can see the second that he decides that he's a beast.

Speaker 10 And then Harbaugh goes around to the entire coaching staff, all the other players, and tells them for the rest of the game, he's a beast, isn't he? He's a beast. He's a beast, isn't he?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a beast.

Speaker 10 He loves him.

Speaker 1 Bengals 27th in pass blocking, Chargers 6th in pass rush. I also just think the Bengals.
So I was thinking about it more because I don't want to give up on the Bengals.

Speaker 1 But I'm also thinking about giving up on the Bengals because

Speaker 1 are we getting fooled a little bit by the Bengals playing the Ravens really close twice?

Speaker 10 Maybe they're just built to play against the Ravens?

Speaker 1 Because their other wins are against the Panthers, Giants, Deshaun Watson, and Raiders. And in our heads, we're like,

Speaker 1 but they basically beat the Ravens twice.

Speaker 10 So maybe they're just engineered to play the Ravens close. Correct.
Now, follow me on this.

Speaker 1 I guess they did play the Chiefs close, too.

Speaker 10 The Chargers,

Speaker 10 excuse me, the Chargers have a shitload of old Ravens players that they brought over. So does that mean that the Bengals are built to also play tough against the Chargers?

Speaker 1 And they're a Harbaugh. And they're Harbaughs.
I'm excited for this game. It's a great Sunday night game because it's basically if the Chargers win this game,

Speaker 1 they basically end the Bengals season. The Bengals win this, they're back.

Speaker 10 And by the rule of the Harbaughs, no team has gone 2-0 against both the Harbaugh brothers this year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is T. Higgins going to play?

Speaker 7 Is he ever going to play again?

Speaker 10 It feels like he's making a business decision. Expected to return.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 So he's back.

Speaker 10 But we don't know. We're going to find out more probably later today, tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like there's maybe a little business decision, which he should do.

Speaker 1 If you don't give him a new contract,

Speaker 1 why wouldn't you be like, I'm not going to get injured more

Speaker 1 on a season? Like, I'm going to wait till I'm 100, 100% healthy. That's so funny, watching the Bengals having to cross the street.

Speaker 1 It's brutal.

Speaker 10 So again, just to remind everybody, the Chargers are the fourth team in the last 40 years to hold opponents under 21 points in their first nine games of the season. Only been done four times.

Speaker 10 Defense is legit, legit.

Speaker 1 Our friend John Gruden, who's coming up, did point out that the quarterbacks they've played have not been great.

Speaker 1 So you have to play that game in fairness.

Speaker 1 You have to play that game as well where you're like, okay, they they beat up on some bad quarterbacks, and Joe Burrow is a really, really, really, really good quarterback.

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 1 This game's great. I'm just going to enjoy it.
You know what? I think Vegas got it right.

Speaker 10 I like that. I think Vegas got it right.
Hats off, Vegas.

Speaker 1 I actually don't think I'm going to bet this game because we have our Chargers' future.

Speaker 16 So we have bet this game.

Speaker 7 I'm betting.

Speaker 1 This game is massive for the Chargers.

Speaker 10 I'm betting the under in this game.

Speaker 4 I cashed out.

Speaker 10 You did? Yeah. Do you got an option to cash out?

Speaker 1 Yeah, for like the half. Oh,

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 I had more. 35.

Speaker 1 I'm just a hardball guy.

Speaker 19 What can I say?

Speaker 1 You didn't cash out of Travis Hunter, did you?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 19 Oh, nice. Okay.

Speaker 1 Nope. You can't.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You physically can't, or you can.

Speaker 4 I don't think they let you cash out in futures.

Speaker 1 Say you won't do that to us.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 I won't because I can't. Got it.
I'm not saying I wouldn't. Got it.
In theory.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do our touchdown

Speaker 1 prop parlay and let's do our picks.

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Speaker 1 Touchdown parlay list, hit one.

Speaker 13 I lost. Hank, back in.

Speaker 1 Hank, back in.

Speaker 1 I'll go J.K. Dobbins.
We'll leave it up to the night game. Let's get the first two legs.

Speaker 1 J.K.

Speaker 2 Dobbins is minus 115 anytime.

Speaker 1 Someone told, an AWL tweeted me after the show on Friday. He's like, what you guys put in was doomed to fail because you had no conviction.
So let's have conviction. PFT, you have conviction.

Speaker 10 I have conviction. I am a 12-man jury of one, and I'm convicting this motherfucker.
Okay. Jameer Gibbs.
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 7 Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 10 I love it. I guess the Jaguars.

Speaker 2 He's minus 150.

Speaker 7 That's fine.

Speaker 1 That's conviction. We're trying to get one through.
No, that's fine. That's fine.
Hank, conviction.

Speaker 4 Sorry, big cat. I am going to go easy.

Speaker 4 A bet that I feel like is not going to be hard. They're going to score a lot of touchdowns.
I'm going Josh Jacobs. He's minus 145 touchdowns.
Don't apologize.

Speaker 1 But, yeah.

Speaker 4 Let's see one through. So what are we at?

Speaker 10 What's this parlay up to?

Speaker 1 Should we add a fourth?

Speaker 7 Should we add a fourth? No, let's get three. Let's get.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get three. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 1 You're right. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 14 You're right. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 1 Okay. We got to do our picks, too.

Speaker 1 What are the standings? We're all bad. I'm hot.
You are? Speak for yourself. I'm 4-0.

Speaker 7 My last four.

Speaker 1 But what are the standings?

Speaker 4 I'm 500.

Speaker 1 Me and Hank. So, 10, you're in first? Yep.
So we're all bad. Speak for yourself.
Number one is 500.

Speaker 1 4-0.

Speaker 17 Me and Hank, 10-10. Big Cat, 9-11.
PFT, 8-12. Max, 7-12, and 1.

Speaker 10 Okay. We are bad.

Speaker 1 That's bad. We're bad.
No one over 500 is bad.

Speaker 10 It's okay to be bad.

Speaker 1 All right, who's up first?

Speaker 17 That'd be me.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go Kansas City Chiefs, Bills over 46.

Speaker 1 That's a fun fun over. Fun, fun, fun.
Fun in the sun.

Speaker 2 I am going to go Jameis Revenge.

Speaker 2 Browns minus one. Shit.

Speaker 1 I wanted that. All right.
I wanted that.

Speaker 10 I'm going to go with the Niners minus six and a half against the Seahawks. Hosting the Seahawks.

Speaker 10 2x12 on the road without McCaffrey. I feel like 6.5.

Speaker 1 Doable. All right.
I really wanted that one, Max. You're a son of a man.

Speaker 2 You did that to me last week. It's true.

Speaker 1 I'll take the Denver Broncos minus two and a half against the Atlanta Falcons. That's a good pick.

Speaker 4 I will be taking the Baltimore Ravens at the Pittsburgh Steelers under 48.5.

Speaker 4 A lot of hard-fought defense, field goals, not going to be letting up touchdowns easy. 48.5 is a lot of points, in my humble opinion.
And then

Speaker 4 I'll be taking the NFL doesn't make any sense game of the year.

Speaker 4 Jaguars plus 14 at the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll take the Seahawks Niners over for

Speaker 1 that was mine. Yeah, gotcha back.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 10 I'm going to go with the under in Vikings Titans. 39.5.
That's a good pick.

Speaker 1 That's a great pick.

Speaker 10 I love it. I love this pick.

Speaker 1 PFT, that's a great pick.

Speaker 10 Thank you. I love it.

Speaker 1 I want to mess. I love complimenting each other on picks when we're just so bad.
But you know that's a good pick. It's a great pick.
It's an awesome pick.

Speaker 10 I actually don't care if it wins. I'm just happy with how good of a pick it is.

Speaker 1 Everyone's had great picks so far.

Speaker 10 I'm a process guy, not a results guy when it it comes to gambling. Yeah.
That's how you know I'm good.

Speaker 19 I'm lost right now.

Speaker 2 I'm going to.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with

Speaker 1 Bengal. No,

Speaker 1 I don't like that. Well, I always have just one pick, and then you rob that of me.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go.

Speaker 1 This is awful.

Speaker 1 Hank wants to kill you right now. Memes, you go.
You memes, you go.

Speaker 17 I'll take the Texans minus seven.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 That did nothing for me.

Speaker 2 I needed more of a spike. Oh, I'm going to go Packers Bears over 40 and a half.

Speaker 7 That's a bad pick.

Speaker 1 I like that. That's a really bad pick.

Speaker 2 No, that was a terrible pick.

Speaker 1 A panic pick.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that could easily be a 34-3 game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it could, for sure. That would be an under.

Speaker 10 Maybe Caleb's good now. Caleb's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I don't like that.

Speaker 13 What's the weather like on the sun?

Speaker 10 It's going to be nice.

Speaker 1 I think think it's gonna be nice. Yeah, ball me.

Speaker 2 That's an that's an over. That's an over number.

Speaker 1 That is weather. All right, let's finish up with fancy fuckboys and we'll go to our interview with John Gruden in person, our newest co-worker.

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Speaker 1 What's up, brother?

Speaker 4 It's Rico McRocco, son.

Speaker 1 Hey, Rico McRcco, son. Hey, you a little bit.
You got the mick in you, you little Irish boy. Yeah, I'm an Irish Italian.

Speaker 4 Best of both worlds. My statum this week is Duck Hodges.
Yeah. He's not in the NFL.
Turns out he's selling real estate and he's dating country star Laney Wilson.

Speaker 10 Oh, good for Duck.

Speaker 15 Good for Duck. Duck fucks.

Speaker 12 Duck fucks, and he fucking sells.

Speaker 1 Scott cleans up.

Speaker 4 My sit him, pray to God, Jake Paul. I don't think it's going to happen, but I hope so badly that he gets fucking knocked on his his ass and knocked out and sits down forever.

Speaker 4 Hypothetically, knocked out. Not forever, but like for, you know, 10 seconds.

Speaker 10 Fight gets called. Would love to see that.

Speaker 4 Don't think it's going to happen, though.

Speaker 12 But I really want it to.

Speaker 15 Tyson's a bad man.

Speaker 1 He's old.

Speaker 4 My sit-im, or my sleeper.

Speaker 4 J-Mo Williams. Jamison Williams.
Jameson.

Speaker 11 Take a shot.

Speaker 4 Jacksonville, 30-second rink, pass defense.

Speaker 4 And they allow the Mosias for pass play. Gonna get a lot of fights.
I love that. It's gonna be a shootout.
Jags are gonna win, but James Williams is gonna go off.

Speaker 15 He's got a little surprise in the trunk waiting for the Jaguars, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 Love it.

Speaker 15 Hey, what's up, bud? This is Alex Jones from Infowars.com, Prison Plan TV. They sold my website, so this is the only place that you can hear Alex Jones.

Speaker 1 What's up, Alex?

Speaker 15 I'm starting this weekend. I'm starting, folks, the New England Patriots, folks.
I'm starting the Patriots. I've got the documents right here.
I love New England's defense, shutting down the Rams.

Speaker 15 You can bet on a Patriot Act to be used to prevent any future McVays from creating explosives. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 15 This week, I'm sitting CJ Stroud. CJ Stroud, he's number seven in your programs.
I call this guy Building Seven because he collapsed the other week, even though the Jets never really hit him that bad.

Speaker 1 My sleeper is Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 15 He's like Dr. Fauci taking so many unnecessary shots.
The people are waking up. People are waking up.
Expect a lot of false flags from New York Jets.

Speaker 10 Google operates to Northwoods.

Speaker 15 The Jets are Lazard people.

Speaker 1 Oh, Lazard people. What's up, guys? What's up, fuckers? It's Tony Macaroni.

Speaker 10 Hey, Tony, what's up? Tony?

Speaker 1 Tony Macaroni. Hey, Tome.

Speaker 1 My stardom this week is going to be the Dallas Cowboys and Cooper Rush. I don't know.
I feel, I have a feeling it's my

Speaker 1 the NFL Makes No Sense game of the year.

Speaker 1 You like that?

Speaker 1 I like the phrase. You like the phrase.
You're my blood magic game of the year.

Speaker 10 You like that? Yeah. My cinema is.
What time is this game being played? That's Monday night.

Speaker 1 My cinemas.

Speaker 10 So there's no sun involved.

Speaker 15 No sun involved.

Speaker 1 My cinemas in Houston, Texas, because they've had not one, not two, but possibly three players-only meetings in the last five days.

Speaker 10 I saw that. That's way too many.

Speaker 15 It's a lot of players.

Speaker 1 That's way too many players-only leagues.

Speaker 15 We just call that practice.

Speaker 1 That's, yeah. And my sleeper is daylight savings time.
Set your clocks back this week. Everyone, it's going to suck, but you lose that hour of sleep.

Speaker 7 Daylight savings time.

Speaker 1 Make sure you set your clock Saturday night.

Speaker 1 Seriously, though, make sure you set your clock Saturday night.

Speaker 10 Very important. I forgot last week.
I know.

Speaker 1 I know. I know you did because you were late.
I was late. All week.
Literally all week. You were one hour late.

Speaker 10 I know it sucked. It was nuts.

Speaker 1 You show up exactly one hour late.

Speaker 10 Reverse Coughlin time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interview with John Gruden, and then we'll finish up with Firefest of the week.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest and our newest co-worker. It is Super Bowl champion Coach John Gruden.

Speaker 1 First of all, congrats and welcome to the Pirate Ship.

Speaker 1 This is a pinch-me moment for myself because obviously John Gruden, you grew up watching him on the sidelines and obviously Monday Night Football, the Raiders, and now you're our coworker.

Speaker 1 Does that now diminish your legacy that you are sitting in the room with?

Speaker 14 I really, it's like a dream for me. I mean, you talk about a new life.
I don't know that much about anything other than sitting in a dark room. Yeah.

Speaker 14 But being a, you know, coming down here to Chicago, seeing this facility, hanging out with Portnoy, getting on this show with you guys, and being a part of this team is awesome. I'm excited about it.

Speaker 14 I know I got a long way to go and a lot to prove, but with your help,

Speaker 1 I know I can.

Speaker 1 It's also a genius move from your perspective as well because you, like, I think there's a group of fans. What was your years that you did Monday Night Football?

Speaker 14 10? I think it was 2009. I did it for nine years.

Speaker 1 So 18.

Speaker 1 So, like, you know, it's been, what, six, seven years? So people forget that you are part of the best booth in broadcasting. And now you get to, you know, you get to basically get

Speaker 1 reintroduced to the internet age.

Speaker 1 People need more Gruden. We're going to give them more Gruden.

Speaker 14 I'm going to do my best. I tell you, though,

Speaker 14 this whole operation, for the fans that haven't seen it, to walk in here and see it, it's really incredible. The facility,

Speaker 14 the kind of people that you've hired, the passionate sports fans.

Speaker 14 There is no clock that you guys punch. Everybody just kind of does their own thing.
It's an amazing operation. I'm proud to be here.

Speaker 10 I like it. We've got a good organization going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been very funny.

Speaker 1 PFT, you just walked in, but people have been going up to Gruden, and he's gotten the introduction to everyone everyone in their interesting, like weird ticks and everything because Jerry immediately said, Are you wearing Creed?

Speaker 1 So he spotted Gruden's cologne. Big T went up to him and was like, I have to ask you right now, how close were you taking the Tennessee job?

Speaker 7 Mincy has tried to hire him to the Saints.

Speaker 1 He's just getting like, you're just waiting till you meet Frank the Tank. Yeah, Frank the Tank.

Speaker 10 He got to get you on a stream with Frank.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and then we got a big game tonight. That's what I'm most excited about.
You know, the Commanders heading into Philly, so it'll be an awesome night. I'm fired up.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so Big T did ask me to ask you that on the record because he's a giant Volunteers fan. He only wears Tennessee orange.

Speaker 10 Only wears the Power T. He wanted to know how close you were to actually signing that because there was a rumor.
Remember, you had your picture taken in a Hooters. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think in Knoxville, Tennessee. And the internet went wild.
They were like, okay, Gruden's in the Hooters. He's going to be our coach.
I thought.

Speaker 10 John Gruden might just love Hooters that much that he's just casually stopping in for an ice-cold beer.

Speaker 14 No, I I do love Hooters. I did love Hooters when Hooters was in their heyday.
But my wife cheered at Tennessee. I love Tennessee.
I was a graduate coach there, and I did talk to the athletic director.

Speaker 14 And I don't look up to anybody more than I look up to Peyton Manning and Kenny Chesney. Those are two of my favorite Tennessee guys.
And I was very interested in doing it.

Speaker 14 But at that time, I was having so much fun on Monday night football with Mike Tarico, I couldn't take any other job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did have that stretch where it was like every year, it was like, well, Gruden's open. That had to feel good.

Speaker 1 It was every single year it felt like they'd be like, well, there's an opening, Gruden.

Speaker 14 Well, they fire so many coaches now. I know.
Big Kat. I mean, every year, you know, six or seven of your best friends get fired.
And,

Speaker 14 yeah, but to be in the thought process is always exciting. And,

Speaker 1 hell.

Speaker 14 Tennessee was one that is really close to my heart. I almost did consider pulling a trigger there.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you're talking about how coaches, they get fired all the time. We're in that season where we start to speculate about what openings are going to be ready to go next season.

Speaker 10 Do you think that the NFL moves on from coaches too quickly sometimes?

Speaker 14 I do. I remember as a young coach when I was coaching the Raiders in 1998, I went to the owners' meetings and every owner and every head coach was in there.
I was 34 years old.

Speaker 14 I look over there, and there's Marty Schottenheimer. Over there is Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren.
Then you see Joe Gibbs, Bill Cower.

Speaker 14 And it just seemed every team, Tom Coughlin of the Jaguars, Tony Dungy, Tampa, every team had a coach that was there for a period of years, Dan Reeves with the Falcons.

Speaker 14 And now they change coaches every year or two, and they change offense and defensive coordinators like they change shirts.

Speaker 14 And I think that has a lot to do with the lack of quarterback consistency and development over time.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 10 what about offensive coordinators? So if you're a defensive head coach and you're setting up your staff, you want to get the best offensive coordinator that you can, obviously.

Speaker 10 But then there's also the danger that if he performs too well at his job, he's going to be hired as a head coach next season. Then you have to go and find somebody else to fill that guy's shoes.

Speaker 10 Like, is that a double-edged sword where it's like he's the best guy for my team right now, but I also have to have a roster of guys that I'm ready to elevate?

Speaker 14 That's a great point. Great point.
That is a great point. You know, that's why the model that I learned growing up was with the 49ers.
Bill Walsh called the plays, was the head coach.

Speaker 14 Mike Colngren, who I worked for, was the head coach, called the plays. So if you lose your coordinator, you're able to call the plays yourself.

Speaker 14 But when you're a defensive coach, and as you said, if you hire a hot shot coordinator, he's probably going to be gone.

Speaker 14 You better have somebody in your operation that has learned the system, that can teach the system and keep your system alive if that guy leaves.

This is a weird question, but I'm going to ask a weird question. Did Mark Davis ever say, like, hey, I really like your haircut?

Speaker 14 No, I said, I like your haircut.

Speaker 16 You should go Mark Davis.

Speaker 14 You know what? I get my $15. I get it dry and I let it fly and I move on.
You know, I mean, he's wearing a hat and sunglasses.

Speaker 14 But no, my hairstyle is

Speaker 14 not really well thought through.

Speaker 1 I mean, Mark Davis has,

Speaker 1 did you ever think about it? Like, hey,

Speaker 1 he might give me a couple extra million dollars if I just start going bull cup. Yeah, he might.
Yeah. I don't know.
It's just true.

Speaker 14 I never looked at it quite like that, but

Speaker 14 I have been criticized for my hair several times.

Speaker 1 Did I ask you if you ever went to a PF Changes with him? I have. You have.
Tell us everything.

Speaker 1 We want to go to a PF Changs with him.

Speaker 14 Well, in Oakland, there's a beautiful PF Changs. Not in Oakland.
It's a fancy part of town. I can't remember what it was called, but there's not a normal P.F.
Changs. It's like the killer PF Changs.

Speaker 14 It's like the PF Chang is on steroids.

Speaker 14 And MD walks in. He sits up there.
He's got the same seat. And they know exactly what he wants.

Speaker 1 So he doesn't even order. They just bring it.

Speaker 14 They pretty much know what he wants. He absolutely is dialed in at PF Changs.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 14 It's really a hell of a place. I learned to love it myself.

Speaker 10 Did he drive you there in the van?

Speaker 14 No, I think I met him there.

Speaker 10 The van is another, that's a bucket list item for us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when we found out he drove that van. But yeah, the PF Changs, like, we, apparently, he goes there every day.

Speaker 14 You know, the Bucs play the Raiders December 8th in Tampa. Maybe you guys should come down.
Maybe MD will be there. There is a nice PF Changs in Tampa, perhaps.

Speaker 1 We did get a verbal yes. We kind of accosted him at the Super Bowl when we saw him in the lobby in Vegas.
We were like, hey, come on the show. And he's like, okay.

Speaker 1 But I don't think it really stuck.

Speaker 10 I think we could do it.

Speaker 10 Maybe we do a double dip. Maybe we go to PF Chang's and Hooters.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 So I did a bad job last time we had you on the show because we talked about your Fired Football Coaches Association. Is that the correct name for it? Yes, FFCA.

Speaker 10 The synthetic football team that you've built in a Tampa strip mall. I didn't know that you guys were essentially located in the headquarters of Hooters.

Speaker 14 Well, at one time we were. Now I'm not.

Speaker 14 I have my own standalone building. I've graduated to higher levels.
Okay. But when Hooters came around, my dad was coaching for the Bucs.
I needed a summer job, and Hooters just showed up.

Speaker 14 This is like 1986. And I got a job at the original Hooters in Clearwater, Florida.
I was a wingshaker, oyster shucker, beer keg changer. Best job I ever had.

Speaker 14 Then I moved on to Hillsboro Hooters, the number two Hooters. I was a backup college quarterback at Dayton.
And I remember getting on the plane, going to training camp, crying.

Speaker 14 I didn't want to leave Hooters, man.

Speaker 1 I just want to work at Hooters.

Speaker 14 My dad said, get your ass on the plane.

Speaker 1 I love Hooters. Yeah, Oyster Shucking.

Speaker 10 That's no joke. That's a tough job.

Speaker 10 They give you the glove. You can cut yourself off.
It is tough.

Speaker 14 I mean, it's hard labor. Yeah.

Speaker 10 But it probably makes sense. But back in the day,

Speaker 14 when Hooters was rolling, there wasn't a better place for me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Talking about the NFL this year, who in your mind is running the most innovative offensive stuff? Obviously, everyone knows Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 He's talked about a lot, but who's maybe an under-the-radar guy?

Speaker 1 You're like, what he's doing is some stuff that people are going to start copying a couple years down the line because that's really what the NFL ends up being is copycat league. Yeah,

Speaker 14 that's something I've been looking for. I'm always, I have two servers in my office, and I make cut-ups.
I'm looking for new concepts to teach and use if I ever do coach.

Speaker 14 Or when players and coaches come in, what's going on? What are people doing in the red zone, third down, short yardage? I was interested in Grubbs, the guy that went to Seattle early in the year.

Speaker 14 They were shredding people and I still think they do some really cool things offensively in Seattle. I do like Ben Johnson because I recognize the offense.

Speaker 14 I like what Cliff Kingsbury has done

Speaker 14 with Washington. And when you have a guy like Daniels, you can call any play you want.
But their usage of those backs, they use two at a time, McNichols, Eckler, Robinson. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 14 Rodriguez comes in, and they do an excellent job with the ball distribution. I like teams that use the tight end, Zach Ertz.
They got a go-to receiver, McLaurin. They can run the ball.

Speaker 14 They can do a lot.

Speaker 14 So I can't wait for tonight's game because I want to see Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator of Washington, against Vic Fangio, the D coordinator of Philly, who's done a hell of a job.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Vic Fangio can coach defense.

Speaker 10 Their defense has gotten a lot better over the course of the year, too. So I don't know.

Speaker 10 I've heard a lot of people say that it's getting more comfortable with the system, especially the quarterbacks and the safeties, understanding what Vic Fangio is trying to do.

Speaker 10 Can you explain to us what that means, how a team can finally understand the concepts of the system and feel comfortable with it?

Speaker 14 You know what I think, too, is, well, Vic Fangio is a great teacher, and he hired, I think, a very good defensive staff.

Speaker 14 And when you go watch teams practice, you can see the coaches that are better developing players and teaching their system than maybe others. Fangio has a lot of young players on this defense.

Speaker 14 They're emerging. I mean, Nolan Smith, nobody realizes, he's starting.
The kid, the linebacker, Nicobie Dean, he's playing his butt off. Zach Bond is one of the best kept secrets in the league.

Speaker 14 He was an on-the-ball linebacker for the Saints. I don't ever remember him playing inside linebacker.
A rookie corner, Mitchell. A rookie nickel guy, Cooper DeGene.

Speaker 14 A lot of young guys that are really kicking ass in this system.

Speaker 14 I think a lot of it has to do with the simplicity of it. It's not over the, not a ton of blitzes and 96 different coverages, but I also think he teaches effort.

Speaker 14 You know, he teaches guys how to tackle, taking proper angles. They're very detailed.
They're very disciplined, and there are no exceptions.

Speaker 14 Fangio is a hell of a coach, and he's hired really good coaches to help him. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And from the offensive coordinator side, we talked a little bit about Kingsbury, but... I want to talk about Ben Johnson for a minute.

Speaker 10 So Ben Johnson, he was like the top number one hottest name head coach last offseason, decided to go back to Detroit.

Speaker 10 He's probably going to get even more money on the open market if he chooses to take a head coaching job this year. But what is it that Ben Johnson does that's so innovative?

Speaker 14 You know, he does a lot pre-snap.

Speaker 14 What I love about Detroit is they win in the pre-snap, meaning they'll change the tight end, they'll change the receiver, they'll motion two or three times before the ball is snapped, and they'll let Jared Goff pick a play.

Speaker 14 They're using the pre-snap to recognize your defense. I call it RCE.
You recognize the defense, and when you know what defense they're in, now you communicate a play to beat that defense.

Speaker 14 And that's what leads to great levels of execution. I call it RCE.
Now they're blessed. They have an excellent offensive line.
They got a one-two punch in the backfield that's unbelievable.

Speaker 14 Those two cats are great. They got a great slot receiver who's a total badass the way he plays and blocks.
I mean, you watch this guy play. He's like a Tommy Hearns.
He's like a Hagler guy.

Speaker 14 He'll get in the ring and kick your ass now. And with Jamison Williams, they got the guy that can turbo it over the top.
And Goff, other than last week, hasn't been good. He's been great.

Speaker 19 Yeah, he has.

Speaker 1 He's been like perfect.

Speaker 1 So the Jets. I got a question about the Jets.
There was a report this week that Jeff Olbrick, the interim head coach,

Speaker 1 went back to the fundamentals of tackling this week. So they put the pads back on.
He even gave a demonstration of tackling to start the practice.

Speaker 1 I mean, we already know the Jets are in disarray, but what does that say when you have to do a fundamental tackling? Did you ever do that as a coach, like halfway through the season?

Speaker 1 Like, hey, we got to learn how to tackle again?

Speaker 14 Well, we try to emphasize tackling. And when you have a poor tackling game or a poor tackling month, you want to emphasize tackling.
I'm surprised he came out and said that. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Because your players, you know, they got a lot of pride in tackling, but the Jets do have problems. And I had always said that their defense wasn't part of the problem.

Speaker 14 But I know Ulbrick is in charge of the defense. He expects a lot from the defense, and they didn't give it to him last week in Arizona.
So I can understand his frustration.

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah, it's been interesting up there. It feels like they didn't really have much of a plan going into the season, or at least a plan for how to fix things.

Speaker 10 So have you ever been on a team that started out slow and the media is saying coaches lost the locker room? They're going to move on, maybe in-season firing for Coach Gruden.

Speaker 10 And have you ever turned a team like that around? And if you have,

Speaker 10 how did you take things from the brink of collapse to making everybody buy back in?

Speaker 14 Well, I was a coach 15 years, so I've been a part of everything. My hands are dirty.
We've gone from first to worst. And

Speaker 14 there's a

Speaker 14 short way from the penthouse to the outhouse. But in this league right now,

Speaker 14 with the ability to change your team and free agency and the draft and your coaching staffs, you can flip it in a year. So we've gone from last to first in the NFC South.

Speaker 14 You got to have mental toughness. And I think you have to have a real

Speaker 14 bond in which how you handle the media and what you're saying in public. You know, there's just too much out there right now.

Speaker 14 When the fire starts in your kitchen, if you start releasing all these statements, it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And it becomes an inferno.
You can't stop.

Speaker 14 But there's negativity in Chicago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what's happening.

Speaker 14 It's just just a horrible thing.

Speaker 14 So I was always one of those guys that I was always trying to stir the emotions. I try to piss you off one day, make you laugh, make you cry, fire you up.

Speaker 14 I just think you got to keep everybody together. And it's us against the world.
I think the great teams, the teams that come out of it, are the teams that love the misery.

Speaker 14 And we used to talk about that. Don't you love that we're 0-2?

Speaker 1 We're all beat up.

Speaker 14 We're tired. We're a 10-point underdog.
We got to go on the road. Our dog just shit in our yard.

Speaker 14 Certain teams love the opportunity to showcase how they can come out of it, and certain teams don't. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, you said it, the cracks after the Commander's Hail Mary, like it just, it was a report from five different guys doing media, and it all looked bad, and it was finger pointing.

Speaker 1 And so if you were to coach the Bears, I want you to stay here at Barstool, but if you want to coach the Bears, we could maybe get that worked out as well.

Speaker 1 If you were to coach the Bears, what would be the first thing you do to try to put Caleb Williams back on path? Because it feels like we're off the path right now.

Speaker 1 It feels like we're off the road and it's starting to kind of careen to a bad spot. What would be the first thing that you would tell him, tell your team, tell your offense?

Speaker 1 What would be the first, like, hey, this is the fundamentals we've got to do?

Speaker 14 Well, it's getting late to do that. Yeah.
You know, we're at the 10-week point of this.

Speaker 1 I'm saying more for next year.

Speaker 14 The big thing you do is you have a private meeting with the guys you deem as your leaders: the defensive leadership, the offensive leadership, the eight or nine Chicago Bears that you're really saying this is the heart and soul of our football team.

Speaker 14 And we're going to get behind this quarterback, and we got to spread that news downstairs and publicly. But we got to make this guy a great player.

Speaker 14 He is going to be a hell of a player unless we screw it up.

Speaker 14 Let's be honest with you. You've had a lot of guys come through here, but this guy's a unique talent.

Speaker 14 And right now, he needs support, man, and he needs it the most from his coach and the blue chip leaders that we have on the team.

Speaker 14 Now, I don't know what kind of leadership they have on this Bear football team.

Speaker 1 Briskers hurt.

Speaker 14 They got a bunch of guys from different teams, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen. Everybody's the number one receiver.
Swift is a new player.

Speaker 14 I think they're all searching for an identity, but we better figure it out. This is our guy right here.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 And we got to get him to hand the ball off to Swift, play good defense, win a couple ugly games. The weather's getting shitty.

Speaker 14 But you've got to get excited about Caleb Williams and keep putting your arm around this guy and challenging him and helping him get through it.

Speaker 1 What do you see on the tape?

Speaker 14 It's bad. There's too much of him.
You know, there's 40 times he's carried the ball. There's 40 times he's been sacked.
I just encourage him to get rid of the ball.

Speaker 14 Sometimes the best play you can make is throwing the ball away because that's the only good play you could make. I think he's waiting for receivers to get open, and I think it's hurting him.

Speaker 14 A lot of the sacks are on the quarterback holding the ball.

Speaker 14 You can't blame the offensive line for all these things.

Speaker 1 No, I agree. I agree.

Speaker 1 It feels like a mental lock that's going on right now where it's like it's a combination of guys not getting open, but even when they are open, he's not letting it rip.

Speaker 14 I think they got to get him three for three to start the game. A quick pass.
I'm not talking about quick screens either.

Speaker 14 I'm thinking there are different routes we can run other than if I see one more quick screen. You hate screens.
Well, I can't take them. I hate them too.

Speaker 1 I like running back screens.

Speaker 7 I hate wide receivers.

Speaker 14 When you throw a bubble screen or a a quick screen, I mean,

Speaker 14 how many times do you see Jerry Rice run a bubble screen?

Speaker 1 Real routes.

Speaker 14 No, you never saw Willie Galt run a bubble screen. You got these three Corvettes.
I mean, Keenan Allen was a number one guy for the Chargers. DJ Moore is paid to be a number one guy.

Speaker 14 You draft a guy in the top 10 because you obviously think he's a number one guy. Now let him run some routes and tell the quarterback to throw him the ball or get rid of the ball, but quit taking sex.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I've got no, absolutely no data to back this up, but I feel like 99% of the time they run a quick screen to a wide receiver tackled for a loss of a yard. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, I feel like defensive backs have become too good at defending that screen pass, where maybe now it doesn't have that same element of surprise that it used to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's like a couple guys that I would feel comfortable in the entire NFL being like, yeah, that's a like

Speaker 1 Khalil Shakir.

Speaker 1 He could run a quick screen.

Speaker 10 Rashid Shaheed.

Speaker 1 Rashid Shaheed. He can run a quick screen.

Speaker 1 It just, it feels like sometimes offensive coordinators are like, oh, we haven't run a wide receiver screen in a while. Let's just do it to do it.
Terry Keynes. And it's like, what the fuck? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 they just always get guys are just, and you have to also, you can't run them if your wide receivers aren't committed to blocking.

Speaker 1 That's the thing that drives me nuts when you run a quick screen and the wide receiver's not blocking.

Speaker 14 And then you run a fake quick screen and you act like you're blocking and you take off. Yeah.

Speaker 14 You know, the playbook has become what you see on Friday night football in high school, you start to see on Saturday. Everybody's clapping their hands, running RPOs.

Speaker 14 And now you're starting to see that on Sunday. That's why it's a pleasure to watch the Lions.
It's a pleasure to watch the Chiefs.

Speaker 14 You know, some of these offenses that are really doing it the old-fashioned National Football League way, I think those are the teams you're going to be talking about here in December.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and talking about the Chiefs, they just keep winning. They won't stop winning no matter what position they're in.
They're never dead.

Speaker 10 They figure out ways to win games, which I think is a mark of one.

Speaker 10 Just a really good football team, but mostly really, really, really good coaching that makes you pay attention to all those details.

Speaker 10 And I feel like with Hopkins, who is actually, I thought that he was like 35 years old. I looked up, he's 32, I think.
Yeah. So he's still got some years.

Speaker 10 And with Hopkins, I feel like the Chiefs are in as good a position to win the Super Bowl as they've ever been right now, given what they have. What do you see that the Chiefs are doing?

Speaker 10 Like, how have they evolved on offense in the post-Tyreek Hill era?

Speaker 14 You know, I did get to go there for about a week in training camp. Andy Reid invited me up there, and you're right, man.
They got a great coaching staff.

Speaker 14 I mean, Dave Tob, the special teams coach, Spagnolo, they get all the ink because they're the coordinators. I'm talking about the position coaches.

Speaker 14 Their drills, their team periods, their competitiveness on the practice field. Their organization's phenomenal.
They're winning games in their preparation.

Speaker 14 Fans don't see them on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. They have a contingency plan.
If they lose this player, we're going to play like this. If we lose this player, we'll play like this.

Speaker 14 If the left tackle isn't quite ready, we'll help them. We'll do this.
But they do have a well-orchestrated contingency plan. I think they're only getting stronger.

Speaker 14 Pacheco's coming back on the practice field. Juju Smith Schuster's back.
The last time he played, he had over 100 yards against the Saints.

Speaker 14 And they're going to get Omenahue, a very good pass rusher back. So I think they're going to get stronger and stronger.

Speaker 14 But, you know, what they do is they just kill you with their preparation, their contingency planning for if it doesn't go the way they want, and their mental toughness. They got a great coach.

Speaker 14 They got a great quarterback and a great kicker. And their defense is on fire.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They are. I mean,

Speaker 1 it doesn't matter how you win. It doesn't matter how many you win by.
You just keep winning.

Speaker 1 And Mahomes feels like that guy where every Chiefs game kind of goes the same, where it's like, you know, their offense looks a little clunky, and then there's a third and eight, and he'll find a way to get it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, the thing that's really startling is how quick he's throwing the ball. You don't see him throw the ball over 20 yards in a game sometimes.

Speaker 14 And here's Pat Mahomes. I had him on Gruden's QB camp.
He can throw better left-handed than I can right-handed. I mean, this guy's a magician.
I mean, he can really wing it.

Speaker 14 But you don't see seam patterns, go balls, deep breaking routes. Everything has been quick, but they are converting 52% on third down, which is way better than everybody else statistically.

Speaker 14 And I just think

Speaker 14 they're about to explode.

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Speaker 1 So Gruden QB Camp, which you got to bring it back. Maybe that's part of what happens with Barstool here.

Speaker 1 Was there ever a guy who you walked away from, you're sitting doing film and you're like, I don't think that guy's got it. And then he went and ended up being a great pro?

Speaker 14 You know, I did 63 shows. Yeah.
So we had a lot of quarterbacks come down the pikes, you know.

Speaker 14 No, not really. You know, there were a few guys that came in and said, damn, I like that guy.

Speaker 1 Who were those?

Speaker 14 Well, I mean, I loved Russell Wilson when he came in out of NC State. We made fun of him.
Well, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 He came out of WC State. Well, yeah, Wisconsin.

Speaker 14 I was smitten with him. Matter of of fact, I got to talk to Pete Carroll during the draft process, and they had just signed Tavaris Jackson.
They had Flynn.

Speaker 14 And he asked me about Russell Wilson. I said, if you take this kid, and I said, if you bring him into your team and give him a chance, he'll beat both those guys out.
And that's just what he did.

Speaker 14 The other guy I love was Kirk Cousins. And I still stay in touch with Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 14 And they drafted RG3 in the first round. I remember telling Bruce Allen, I said,

Speaker 14 this guy's got some bits now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Be careful of Cousins.

Speaker 14 And look where he is. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's had a great career. Great career.

Speaker 14 Fantastic career.

Speaker 1 He paid a lot of money, too.

Speaker 14 He really has. And when I watch him play, there's not many guys that stand in there and take shots and deliver strikes like cousins.
I mean, I love that about him. Always F.

Speaker 10 I remember in Grund's QB camp, was it Jimmy Clausen you got pissed off at? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fraley. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think you said there was

Speaker 10 a route that his receiver ran that was incorrect. And he told you that.
And you're like, you can't fucking tell me that. That's your fault.
Take accountability.

Speaker 10 So as a coach, sometimes receivers screw up, right? They mess up. Everybody messes up.

Speaker 10 And an interception might not necessarily be on a quarterback, but you always want to see your quarterback say, hey, that's my fault.

Speaker 10 I didn't do a good enough job communicating what you should have done. Is that fair?

Speaker 14 It is fair. I think the quarterback has to be bulletproof.
At least the ones that are great that I've been around. Now, in privacy, the coach and a quarterback, they address those issues.

Speaker 14 But, you know, you got to coach body language, I think. I got to coach Dan on his body language.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm thinking right now.

Speaker 14 He's getting mad at me.

Speaker 1 He's getting mad at me because I'm very doom and gloom.

Speaker 14 You don't want to see your quarterback, you know, pointing fingers and blaming guys. I don't think it's healthy.
So you got to control your emotions. You got to be an assassin, man.

Speaker 14 You got to really have a very thick mental toughness about you. And some do and some don't.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 going back to your time in Green Bay when you were coaching Brett Favre,

Speaker 10 one of the best arms of all time, just incredible, took a lot of chances.

Speaker 10 How was that coaching him when he would go off script and take some of these chances, throw these interceptions, and you were like, what the fuck are you doing, Brett?

Speaker 10 But you knew that, you know, ultimately the good was going to outweigh the bad with him.

Speaker 14 I was coaching receivers. I didn't coach Favre.

Speaker 14 I was the signal guy. Back then,

Speaker 14 we didn't have the walkie-talkie. I would signal to Jet Dino Y shallow cross.
And he had to memorize the formations. He struggled with that.

Speaker 14 But I can still remember Mike Colmgren, the head coach, when Favre was scrambling, he'd be saying, no, no,

Speaker 1 yes, great job, Brett. And then he'd be saying, no, no, what the hell?

Speaker 14 To your point, the first couple years, a lot of growing pains. But Favre, he had a triple X pouch, man.

Speaker 14 This guy had... He had big balls, man.

Speaker 1 He was afraid of nobody.

Speaker 14 He was as tough as hell, and he had a rocket. And he tried to prove it in every drill, every period.
He tried to wow you.

Speaker 14 And he broke a lot of our receivers' hands, face masks. He had a rocket.

Speaker 1 Are you, we had this debate, not debate, but I pointed out that I like my quarterbacks to throw a couple interceptions. I want,

Speaker 1 I don't like when a quarterback gets late in the season, it's like, oh, they have no interceptions. That means they're not taking the risks.
Is that a crazy thought to have?

Speaker 1 Like, are there some interceptions that you're like, you know what, we can live with that because you're trying to make the big play. and if you keep trying to make the big play, it will happen.

Speaker 14 I love this conversation.

Speaker 14 I hope you're having fun. You know what,

Speaker 14 when you're coaching aggressiveness with your offense, you got a guy like Favre and you got Sterling Sharp out there running routes, there's an understanding and trust. Hey, I'm the receiver coach.

Speaker 14 If you throw the ball, if he throws the ball to us and it's tight, he's giving you a chance. Right.
So there's only three things that are going to happen, big cat.

Speaker 14 You're going to be a savage and you're going to go catch the damn ball.

Speaker 1 That's why we're paying you too.

Speaker 14 Secondly, you're going to make damn sure he doesn't get it. You're going to play defensive back and make sure it's incomplete.
Or third, you're going to be like an Academy Award winner.

Speaker 14 You're going to get me that pass interference penalty. But I think you got to have a real careful understanding.

Speaker 14 And I think that's what the Bears problem is a little bit is do you trust that Keenan Allen, do you not trust Keenan Allen? Right. Throw him the ball when it's tight.
He's going to catch it.

Speaker 14 He's going going to make sure it's not intercepted and he's going to get a couple fouls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson going into that Steelers offense.
You've seen it with George Pickens. He's going to give his guys a chance.

Speaker 1 And like, yeah, there might be some interceptions, but now his guys are more locked in, and they know they can go get those jump balls, those moon balls, and their offenses look totally different.

Speaker 14 And when you watch Kansas City early in the season, they threw a bomb to Worthy, their fast receiver from Texas. And I know you remember the play.

Speaker 14 Cam Taylor Britt of the Bengals makes a one-handed interception, and everybody's like, oh, what a great interception.

Speaker 14 You know what they were saying in Kansas City? They were pissed at Worthy because what didn't he do?

Speaker 7 Go attack the ball.

Speaker 14 You don't let anybody intercept it. And I think that's one of the reasons Kansas City is a little bit reluctant to give him a ton of 50-50 opportunities.

Speaker 14 They used to do that with Deshaun Jackson. But D-Jack, he would go up there and he would tip it away from somebody.

Speaker 14 And I just think these are little behind-the-scene things that young quarterbacks, they got to have confidence in their receivers. Yeah.
They will make you right one way or another. Yeah.

Speaker 10 What about what's going on in Los Angeles with the Chargers? Because we love Coach Harbaugh. He's one of our favorite people.
That man, his blood type is football. That's all he thinks about.

Speaker 10 He loves Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert's been looking pretty good.
And the defense is playing at just an otherworldly clip right now.

Speaker 10 What has Harbaugh done to that team to remake them and to reimagine the Chargers over the span of one year?

Speaker 14 Well, he's come in there and given them confidence. You know, I think he's walked in there and they've changed the whole dynamic of how they practice.
They never ran the ball in Charger land.

Speaker 14 I mean, I don't know what the rushing stats were last year, but you could go two or three games and not see 10 or 15 carries. This is now a smash-mouth running team.
Forget about Herbert for a second.

Speaker 14 You don't know who their receivers are. I mean, their leading receiver is McConkey, a slot receiver.

Speaker 14 They really aren't a pass-first team, and they're not a pass-second team. They are running the ball, possessing the ball, and trusting their defense.

Speaker 14 He just has brought a lot of confidence and physicality to their team and defensively, 13.1 points per game. Big Cat and I were talking earlier, though.

Speaker 14 They have not beaten many quality quarterbacks. This will be a good test point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he went down the list of quarterbacks and it was not... It was Gardner Minshew.
It was Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 It wasn't light in the world on Florida.

Speaker 10 Did you ever do a post-game handshake with Coach Harbaugh?

Speaker 14 I don't think think so. I think I was in the booth when he was in the NFL.
I just competed against his brother. But

Speaker 14 you love coaches that compete. I think that permeates into the locker room.

Speaker 14 If your coach is fiery and he's competitive and banging on your shoulder pads and taking snaps in pregame warm-up, he loves football. He loves to compete.
He's a badass.

Speaker 14 And I think the Chargers in some way are emulating their coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's culture.

Speaker 7 Yeah. You sure you need that culture.

Speaker 1 You have guys want to go like, you you know, take someone's head off. I agree.
Yeah. That's what the Chargers feel like.

Speaker 10 They're just a tough football team.

Speaker 1 But you do also still believe in the Bengals and maybe making a run here, which I think.

Speaker 14 I just believe in a quarterback, big cat. I mean, watching that game last week, that was the best single game played this year by a quarterback, in my opinion.

Speaker 10 And I think second best might have been his other game against the Chargers. Might have been.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Might have been.

Speaker 14 He's running around more than you think. He's not just your typical pocket passer.
He's getting out of trouble. He's running for first downs, and he can see the whole field.

Speaker 14 He's got great peripheral vision, and he has no wasted motion when he throws the ball. I really am impressed with him.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so you think that the Bengals might be, we may have buried the Bengals prematurely?

Speaker 14 I think the Bengals, if their defense gets going a little bit and with the return of Higgins, I think they can be a problem. I do know this, though.
They miss Joe Mixon.

Speaker 14 They miss Joe Mixon's receiving skills. I think in some of these checkdowns, I'm used to seeing Mixon come out of the trash.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Another team you mentioned that I think is going a little under the radar, but they have been playing great football is the Arizona Cardinals.
What are they doing?

Speaker 1 Because, you know, I didn't, I thought they were going to be an okay team.

Speaker 1 I didn't think they were going to be sitting at the top of the NFC West in November, but they're a legit team, and it feels like they have everything clicking.

Speaker 14 I know. I hate their uniforms.

Speaker 14 You know, there's something about it. I see the red on red, and I just, ah, yeah.

Speaker 14 But they get Harrison, the receiver from Ohio State. Connor's a good back.
I can't even tell you who their other running back is, but he is a beast.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 McBride is a hell of a tight end. Incredible.
And Kyler Murray's playing great. He talk about quick.
And their defense, they have my favorite player, Buda Baker.

Speaker 14 Jonathan Gann has done a nice job with the defense. He stayed in his wheelhouse.
And offensively, they're a problem because they're balanced. And

Speaker 14 they've already beaten the the San Francisco 49ers in San Francisco. They're dangerous.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I love watching James Conner run with the football, too.

Speaker 1 He's so upright, very upright.

Speaker 7 He's crazy.

Speaker 10 But he gets shit done.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but I can't even tell you who the backup running back is. I can just tell you this.

Speaker 14 On the flight down here, I said, I better find out more about this guy because

Speaker 14 he's a load also.

Speaker 10 I always assume it's just, what's his name? De-Mercado. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, Jay. Oh, you got Trey Benson as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's not Trey Benson.
It's DiMarcado? Yeah, DeMarcado.

Speaker 14 Or DJ Dallas? Oh, it's DiMarcado. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 How many hours of tape do you watch a week?

Speaker 14 Probably too much early in the week. You know, when you get the tape, you know, they got the FedEx guy.
He knocks on the door. It's like Tuesday morning or Monday night.

Speaker 14 You're like, hey, there's a tape. And my assistant, Jeff Leonardo.

Speaker 1 Wait, they send the tape? You don't just have it on your computer?

Speaker 14 Well,

Speaker 14 I don't want to get into all that.

Speaker 14 I pay a lot of money to get my tape.

Speaker 1 Okay, got it, got it, got it. I actually, you know what? I know.
Now every man, yes, you got the tape. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 But when I do get the tapes,

Speaker 14 I get so excited.

Speaker 14 I actually have a notepad, and I'll write down, like, I'll go over the stats who had double-digit tackles, who had interceptions, who got the sacks, who had the explosive plays, you know, who did this, who did that.

Speaker 14 And I'll start making reels to see how they did it.

Speaker 14 And it's an obsession. And then when I was doing my little

Speaker 14 YouTube channel, Gruden Loves Football, I always picked three three or four games a week, and I really tried to dig in on those two teams and learn all their players and some of the key matchups.

Speaker 14 I just love it, man. I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 1 I can tell you.

Speaker 10 I love that you get tape FedEx to your place of business on Tuesday mornings.

Speaker 1 Does your wife ever be like, hey, can you stop watching so much tape? What's going on? My wife,

Speaker 14 when I got fired by Tampa, I had an office at my house, and I had my little projector. And back then, we had the beta tapes.
And I'd have coaches coming in the office at 6 a.m.

Speaker 14 My wife would come downstairs in her pajamas.

Speaker 14 She didn't go for this. You got to get out of here.
Get all your stuff. So I bought a building.
I rented a building. Eventually, I bought a building.
And when you guys come down,

Speaker 14 you guys will freaking like it.

Speaker 10 I am pumped to see that. So when you're watching tape, I know you get excited about guys.
I've seen you get really excited watching football. Do you still get mad?

Speaker 10 Do you get mad watching a football team if they're not, if there's guys on the team? So what's the last team that made you mad?

Speaker 14 Well, to be honest with with you, the Bears made me mad. Yeah.

Speaker 14 You know, I just have high expectations for the kind of roster they have. I mean, skill-wise.
And I'm not just talking about the coaching or the coordinator or the play calling.

Speaker 14 The players are not making me happy. I saw a guy run an out route and sit down while the play is going on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Very bad.
Very bad.

Speaker 14 The Jets have made me upset.

Speaker 1 You know, I, I,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 14 I put a lot of stock in this quarterback, Rogers. I think he's one of the best best I've ever seen play.
You know, he had an injury last year, he's coming back.

Speaker 14 Their protection hasn't been good, their running game hadn't been good, their body language is horrific.

Speaker 7 I get upset.

Speaker 10 Yeah, we do this with every guest that we have. First time we have him in the studio.
It's questions from a third grader.

Speaker 10 So, this is from a third grade class in Dripping Springs, Texas. And this is Amy.
This is Amy. She's in third grade.
She wants to know: Coach Gruden, what's your favorite color?

Speaker 14 Amy.

Speaker 1 I love purple.

Speaker 1 Purple. Purple.
The color of royalty. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Good answer. Coach Gruden, what did you want to be when you grew up?

Speaker 14 I wanted to be a coach. My dad was a coach, so I've been around coaching my whole life, and I knew I wasn't going to be a good enough player.

Speaker 14 So I said, man, maybe one day I can be a coach.

Speaker 10 I like that. And then her third question, actually, it's not really a question.
Amy says, Coach Gruden, I agree. Roger Goodell is an anti-football pussy.

Speaker 1 He got you. So Amy knows ball.
Amy. Amy,

Speaker 1 tell me where I can get a new haircut.

Speaker 1 Good job, Amy.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Amy's a, listen, she's a big fan. So

Speaker 1 Amy, I loves you listening.

Speaker 1 All right, so give me the list of teams right now that can win the Super Bowl. We have our list.
I want to see how it matches up.

Speaker 14 How many teams?

Speaker 1 I think we have, what, five, six?

Speaker 16 Let's see.

Speaker 10 Let's run through it. We have the Eagles, we had the Lions, the NFC, we had the Bills, the Chiefs, the Ravens.
And if

Speaker 1 this is how the Steelers play this weekend, maybe the Steelers get put into that.

Speaker 14 Well, you can't make that list.

Speaker 14 I was at the Bucs 49er game last week, and with McCaffrey back and Jawan Jennings back, I was telling Big Cat, they're going to be a hard offense to stop because Mason, the backup running back,

Speaker 14 hell, he's leading the league and rushing down here. So you got, and Purdy is a lot better quarterback when you see him live.
This guy is strong. He's loose.
He's gutty, man. Gritty.

Speaker 1 Love him.

Speaker 14 And I think their their defense, although they're missing some key guys, I don't know if there's safety, Hufanga is coming back or not, but if he comes back, I love the 49ers.

Speaker 7 49ers added to the list.

Speaker 1 Did we miss any others? They might have the best fullback.

Speaker 14 We talked about Arizona. Yeah, Arizona.
You know, somebody's going to come out of the West. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Somebody's going to come out of the West, and someone's going to win that division and get a home playoff game. Yep.
Who's it going to be?

Speaker 14 Who's it going to be? It's going to be Arizona, in my opinion, but I really think it's going to be the 49ers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 you think the Bills, what do the Bills have to do to get over that hump?

Speaker 14 I think the Bills need Milano back. I think they need to get healthy on defense.
The big thing with the Bills is Von Miller, are you really Von Miller?

Speaker 14 You know, if Von Miller and Rousseau and the fourth quarter pass rush, Ed Oliver, if they can get that fourth quarter pass rush humming, that's what bothered me against the Dolphins two weeks ago, is I thought that pass rush would just eat up Tua.

Speaker 1 And it didn't happen.

Speaker 14 I think they got to get that pass rush revved up, and they could be, they could seriously be a problem if they do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, uh, okay, I have one last question. Uh, this has been great, Coach.
We're so excited that you're here with us.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Last question. We know it's football number one.
What other sports are you watching? Because I heard a rumor that you watch all the sports.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I love sports.

Speaker 14 I love the Cincinnati Reds when I was growing up, so I love baseball. Matter of fact, I'm going to Arizona to see Tony LaRusa.
We're having a Wounded Warrior service dog event. Love baseball.

Speaker 14 And I do love basketball. I was Bobby Knight's ball boy.
I just don't like the three-point shot. I think it's too much.

Speaker 14 It's way too much three points.

Speaker 1 And I like golf. Oh.

Speaker 14 I do like golf. I got the caddy for John Daly one time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's incredible.

Speaker 10 So tell that story real quick because I remember when it happened, there was a rain delay, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And so you're hanging out. John Daly goes over to the Hooters tent.

Speaker 14 I was up at the Hooter Owl's Nest, they call it. I was just having some beers.
I was coaching Tampa, relaxing. Lightning bolt.
They suspend play.

Speaker 14 So Daly comes up with this caddy, and this rain delay goes on and on and on. It gets cold, and it's wet.
It appears like the tournament's over.

Speaker 14 So the caddy had a couple cocktails, I guess. He was off.
I had Daly's bib on. I was wearing his bib.
We were meeting fans, taking pictures. And the tournament director came back and he says, Mr.

Speaker 14 Daly, you got 15 minutes to get in position. We're going to play four or five more holes before it gets dark.
So we go up and hit balls and Daly looks at me and he says, well, you're wearing a bib.

Speaker 14 Let's go. So I carried his bag and I had been in this hooter owl nest drinking a few beers.
I had to pee like a rhinoceros.

Speaker 14 And I got this bag and there's like 14 Diet Cokes in there, an umbrella, a thing weighed 100 pounds.

Speaker 1 And we're on like the 16th hole.

Speaker 14 I only did it for three holes. I'm like the 16th hole.

Speaker 14 Do caddies pee on the course? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Are there bathrooms out here?

Speaker 14 So I had had to go pee.

Speaker 14 And then we come up on the 17th hole where the owl's nest was. That's one of the holes we played.
And all my friends had stayed around. Everybody was gone.
There was no fans left.

Speaker 14 And the fans started going, Caddy, Caddy. I said, I'm going to get ripped for this.
And sure enough, on the golf channel, they destroyed me for not having any etiquette and not having any.

Speaker 10 Well, how'd you do with the club selection?

Speaker 10 How did John Daly shoot in those last holes?

Speaker 14 I can't remember. I was nervous, but I did not get near the green.
I just stayed over there by the bag. I didn't try to go up there and read putts or anything like that.

Speaker 14 That was a great experience. I love it.

Speaker 1 I love John Daly.

Speaker 10 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 The owl's nest. Yeah.
We're going to go to the owls.

Speaker 10 I got to spend some time in the owl's nest.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, coach, we're excited for everything we got coming up with you and Barstool.

Speaker 1 People are going to listen to this on Friday, but the stream tonight is, I don't think you're ready, just so you know, and this could look stupid in restroom. I don't think you're ready.

Speaker 1 PFT is a diehard commanders fan, but he's a respectable

Speaker 1 football watcher. The mutant we have in that booth, Max.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I've heard about Max. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he is going to shock you with some of this stuff, and you're probably going to see his ass crack. He has a problem with his ass crack.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I've seen a lot of that in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you're going to, so, but, like, he's, he might cry, he might scream, he's Italian, he's fiery, he might spit on you ass

Speaker 7 spit on you.

Speaker 1 So just, yeah, you might have to wear like a poncho.

Speaker 14 Max.

Speaker 14 Control yourself, Max.

Speaker 1 Don't pink too early, man.

Speaker 14 We got plenty of time before kickoff.

Speaker 2 I'll be good before kickoff, but

Speaker 2 once the whistle starts, I got no problem.

Speaker 2 The ass crack is confirmed 100%.

Speaker 13 You will see my ass crack.

Speaker 1 He said he's good for now, but once the whistle blows, he's ready to go.

Speaker 10 You got a score prediction, even though this is coming out tomorrow, so you might look stupid with your prediction, but what do you have?

Speaker 14 I'm going with the Philadelphia Eagles 27-20. I love it.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 10 Everyone, everyone. Clean sweep.
Everyone has predicted the. No, Hank.

Speaker 16 Hank doesn't count. Hank has a couple.
Hank doesn't count.

Speaker 1 Hank does not count. All right.
Well, thanks so much, coach.

Speaker 14 Thank you guys. Love you.

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Speaker 1 Henry.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is one that's probably TMI. I don't,

Speaker 4 it's just actively going on in my head, so I'll share it on this podcast with you guys and the world.

Speaker 4 I feel like it's, I know the answer, that it's a sign that I'm going through somewhat of a midlife crisis.

Speaker 4 I have been spending a lot of time thinking about

Speaker 4 because I bought my car that I have now. It's in perfectly fine condition.

Speaker 4 I have been spending a lot of time thinking about selling it

Speaker 4 and then leasing a really nice car, yeah, like really nice, yeah. And I also

Speaker 4 again, like, this is I'm 31 years old, I probably should have figured it out at this point in my life.

Speaker 4 I've never been really good with, I have good credit, but I don't, I've never had a credit card that's like gets really good points or rewards and like miles and stuff, which I want, that's something I want to do.

Speaker 4 So, it's like, why not open a line of credit with good points, pay the lease off with that, and have a nice car?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 4 so the midlife crisis you think this car will fix it that's kind of that's that's where i've been like why do i want to do this fuck i think you're having a midlife crisis fuck

Speaker 1 but like i do think you're having a midlife crisis i do kind of but like what kind of you also think it might if it here's that's what it won't why ask questions like if you think if you think it will fix it you should do it if you think it will just be like shit i got the car and i still can't find happiness in my heart then we got other issues you just got this car i i i

Speaker 4 I preface this by saying I understand the situation.

Speaker 1 Are you going to sell it to memes?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 4 I probably sell it to someone else that works here, though. You know what, Hank?

Speaker 10 I think you should do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why not? Is it going to make you happy?

Speaker 10 Yeah. Okay, well, I will take even like 1% less grumpy Hank.

Speaker 1 Is it, but I want you to be happy. I haven't been grumpy lately.
I want you.

Speaker 1 Have you been grumpy lately? I don't think so. I feel like I've been good.

Speaker 1 I should have said, I think so, yeah.

Speaker 10 The only time Hank is truly happy, not counting on the golf course, is when he is pissing somebody else off.

Speaker 4 False, but that's fine. That's fine.

Speaker 1 I don't think you've been that grumpy recently. I do think you're going through a midlife crisis.

Speaker 1 The problem with the car purchase, which I'm fully supportive of because I want you to be happy, is that if you

Speaker 1 buy it and then you're still... going through the midlife crisis, what's next?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 Whereas if you just don't buy it, you could always be like, oh, well maybe the car would have fixed it yeah i don't know i don't know the answer i probably am not going to do anything about it i don't probably that's why i said i didn't even need to share it but it is it's the only fire fest that's stewing in my brain of like why do i even why am i even thinking what if there's no it's it's there's no reason for me to even be going down this road but i've spent i'm researching i'm i'm going to uh

Speaker 4 Test drive some stuff this weekend.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yeah. Test driving is so much fun.

Speaker 10 What are you looking at?

Speaker 2 You're done then. If you test drive,

Speaker 1 it's done.

Speaker 10 What are you going to look at, Hank?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't want to spoil it. Also, at least does not make financial sense.
Oh, beam at you at you.

Speaker 2 Oh, I heard a different brand. From who?

Speaker 1 I heard a Lambo.

Speaker 1 People were saying a Lambo.

Speaker 1 People were saying, Steve Will Dewitt's going to give you a Lambo. I heard Hank's doing.
A Porsche? Cybertron. Who said Porsche? Porsche Cayenne? Porsche.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 I don't think this is going to solve anything, but I'm supportive.

Speaker 10 Yeah, of course it's not going to solve anything, but it could be fun.

Speaker 1 Like, because I drive a nice car, but it doesn't, I don't even think about it. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't, it's not like I'm happy every time I drive a car.

Speaker 4 Drive a nice car, not a sick car. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Oh, wow.
Now, wait a minute. I got to get a new lease.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Damn.

Speaker 7 What makes a damn? All right.

Speaker 1 All right. What makes a beamer better? I'm going to get a better car.

Speaker 1 We're going to have a car off. Hank, what if you put

Speaker 10 if you took all this energy that you've got going into looking at new cars and you put that into fixing up vacuum cars?

Speaker 4 I've also been, that's, I mean, that's in the works.

Speaker 4 We're, we're, we're looking good with that uh are we i've also i've also just like i did i ended up nuking all my clothes i got rid of like 75 of my clothes i'm completely redesigning like my office room and just getting rid of a bunch of shit so i it's it's it's a overall situation that's happening where i'm just like get rid of everything get new stuff feel better i don't know okay so what else would go in this midlife crisis tattoos you think about getting more tattoos no

Speaker 4 no

Speaker 10 different apartment.

Speaker 1 I'm so confused about this car.

Speaker 2 What kind of beamer is this? If it's that much better than Big Cat's car,

Speaker 1 I don't think you understand how car work. Cars work.

Speaker 4 It's sicker. It's just if you put them next to each other, it's like, yeah, that's a nice car.
That's a sick car.

Speaker 10 What if you got like a Subaru?

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 2 What kind of car is it?

Speaker 1 Well, I also, I mean, I do have a car. I'm shopping around.
I do have

Speaker 1 three car seats in my car.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 1 that lowers the sickness factor of it.

Speaker 10 Or if you got like a Subaru WRX, just like a fast fucking car.

Speaker 4 No, that would be bad. Racing car.

Speaker 1 Get a Lambo.

Speaker 1 I don't like Lambos.

Speaker 2 Nah, I think you go Porsche Cayenne.

Speaker 1 All right, well, I'll. We'll see.
I mean, I'm probably going to do nothing.

Speaker 4 Like I said, this is probably like I sometimes am like, why did I say it on a podcast that so many people listen to when I'm probably going to do nothing?

Speaker 1 No, you're going to do it. You're test-driving cars.
You got to... Are you going to multiple dealerships? No.

Speaker 1 Oh, because I was going to say the best part about getting a new car and test-driving cars is you go like is my leasing thought correct?

Speaker 4 That's probably where people are going to make your fucking

Speaker 1 leasing makes financial

Speaker 10 money, but you get

Speaker 10 sick cars.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it doesn't.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean you get credit? You build up your credit.
But it's stupid. Leasing.

Speaker 2 Are you talking about like credit card points or are you talking like building your credit score?

Speaker 1 Both. Both.

Speaker 4 Making payments.

Speaker 2 You know that if you finance a car, you also.

Speaker 4 I paid for my car in cash.

Speaker 2 But you could also buy a car and finance it, and that would also.

Speaker 4 But what what if this is a midlife crisis in like a year I want a different car?

Speaker 1 That's what I was going to say. I lease a car, but I know it's stupid financially, but I like to be like, I can have a new option in two and a half years.

Speaker 1 Do that.

Speaker 10 Hank, if you, if you buy a car,

Speaker 10 can you, can you have me do the negotiation?

Speaker 4 I'm not going to buy a car.

Speaker 1 Well, what I was saying is, Hank, you need to go to a couple dealerships.

Speaker 1 You need to go to a place where you know you're probably not going to buy it just so you can negotiate because it's so awesome negotiating at a car dealership knowing that you're not probably not going to buy that car unless they just go crazy low yeah I love I love negotiating yeah it is my favorite thing in the world you just walk out you just fuck with them we'll see I needed you yeah listen I you got on my warrant you

Speaker 10 got fucked on my warranty I will provide that service as a former former car salesman it's my favorite thing in the world to go in there and then just just ask them for all the cokes they have yeah I gotta get me on the actual car get me another song I don't I would whenever

Speaker 1 I've only bought a new car like me twice, but whenever I've done it, I've had like my options. It's like one through five.

Speaker 1 And the fifth one, I'll go and I'll be like, if they offer me this deal, I'll do it. And it's a crazy deal.

Speaker 7 And it's the best.

Speaker 2 When I got my car, the guy kept telling he kept telling me the warranty and I kept being like, no, like, I'm just going to get the lowest one. And then he just kept asking me why.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Why aren't you getting the higher one? And I had no good answer. So eventually I was like, nah, fuck it.

Speaker 1 Give me the higher one.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's how they get you. The finance.
He You asked me five times,

Speaker 2 why don't you want this warranty? Yes.

Speaker 4 And I had no answer.

Speaker 10 You've got to secure your own financing. Have that ready to go when you walk in because they'll fuck you.
Yeah, I didn't do that either. They'll fuck you over.
Then they take in that second.

Speaker 10 I got a great price on the actual. And then the guy keeps walking back and forth to his manager.
Let me see if I can do that. Let me see if I can do that.
It's a great process. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's a lot of fun. All right, PFT, your Firefest.

Speaker 1 My Firefest. Good luck.
Thank you.

Speaker 10 My Firefest of the Week is that. Stay tuned for nothing.
Mike Tyson put me into an existential crisis.

Speaker 1 Whoa, what's going on in this podcast?

Speaker 10 Have you guys seen the interview with Mike Tyson and the little girl? No. Can we pull it up and we can watch it here? So ahead of the fight, Mike Tyson's doing press.

Speaker 10 They had a child reporter interview Mike Tyson, and he gave her answers that are definitely not meant for like a child.

Speaker 10 But he also made me think a lot about

Speaker 10 what is life.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 in a very dark way. Okay.

Speaker 1 God damn.

Speaker 24 Career, what type of legacy would you like to leave

Speaker 25 I'm just passing through. I'm going to die and it's going to be over.

Speaker 25 Who cares about legacy after that?

Speaker 25 What a big ego. I'm going to die.
I want people to think that I'm this. I'm great.
I'm no, we're nothing. We're just dead.
We're dust.

Speaker 1 We're absolutely nothing.

Speaker 25 Our legacy is nothing.

Speaker 24 Well, thank you so much for sharing that.

Speaker 1 That is something that I hear about. I've not heard before.

Speaker 24 Someone say that as an answer.

Speaker 25 Can you really imagine somebody say, I want my legacy to be this way when I, you're dead.

Speaker 1 Why do you want somebody?

Speaker 25 Do you think somebody really wants to think about you?

Speaker 25 How, what's the dad say I think?

Speaker 1 I want people to think about me when I'm gone.

Speaker 25 Who the fuck cares about me when I'm gone? Or my kids, maybe, or grandkids.

Speaker 1 Oh, incredible. That's such a good collection.

Speaker 10 It actually does make me think that Mike Tyson might be able to do it. Like,

Speaker 10 he's in a dark, no fucks given place right now.

Speaker 1 He's just talking to a kid about death. Yeah, she's like, well,

Speaker 1 I've never heard of it.

Speaker 10 I've never heard that perspective before.

Speaker 16 I mean, credit to the interviewer.

Speaker 10 She did a lot of jobs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she did a great job rolling with it.

Speaker 2 Shout out I Am Jazzy's World TV on TikTok.

Speaker 1 Love that.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but that tells me Mike Tyson is locked in right now. Yeah, he's all the way back.

Speaker 1 Okay, My fire fest is

Speaker 1 there's a I think there's a word for it karma

Speaker 1 everyone in my house

Speaker 16 has been waking up at 545 in the morning

Speaker 1 since something happened two weeks ago

Speaker 1 what happened two weeks ago we changed the clocks oh yeah Stella all three of my kids every fucking morning I've been getting up so goddamn early. So I deserve that.

Speaker 10 Why don't you get blackout curtains?

Speaker 1 I do. I have, dude, we have everything.

Speaker 1 There's nothing. I changed the fucking lights.
I changed

Speaker 1 what time the thing goes off. We changed the thing going off in my son's room.
It's till 6.30. He still came in at 6.30 this morning.
He said, hey, my light changed.

Speaker 7 Can I play? And I said, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then he goes back, and then I don't go back to sleep.

Speaker 10 Can somebody explain to me why we change the clocks?

Speaker 1 Well, I'll let you know when we do it on Saturday night. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Everyone keeps saying one of the world wars.

Speaker 4 The five o'clock pitch darkness shit is

Speaker 1 depressing.

Speaker 1 It's depressing. The worst.

Speaker 10 When you go to work in the dark and then you leave and it's dark outside.

Speaker 1 Well, no, you go to work in the light.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but sometimes, depending on how early you get up. I've had jobs where I went to work when it was dark and then you step out and it's still dark.

Speaker 1 But I'd rather go to work in the dark and be

Speaker 1 have it be light when I get out of work. Yeah.
That'd be a lot better.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm living in hell.

Speaker 1 We have not adjusted in my house. I'm living in Arizona or that little part of Indiana.
We just haven't changed it.

Speaker 10 There's There's no good reason why we do this to stop it.

Speaker 1 Okay. Max, you got something?

Speaker 2 Just that next week is going to be the absolute disaster.

Speaker 1 Oh, why? It's not like you're pitching against.

Speaker 1 Beep.

Speaker 1 A really good team.

Speaker 4 Some would say the best.

Speaker 1 I think we should post a picture after with the team we pitched so people get hyped up.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 the PM TV this week was my bullpen that I did yesterday to get ready for it.

Speaker 2 How fast do you think my fastest pitch was?

Speaker 10 60.

Speaker 14 64.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy, that's going to be a lot of home runs.

Speaker 10 How fast do you think batting practice is usually?

Speaker 10 About 60. About exactly what you throw.

Speaker 1 Well, good news is you do have four outfielders, so that's a little bit of an advantage. Great athletes.
The bad news is the four outfielders are me, Brandon, Hank, and Jerry. So you have three.

Speaker 1 Three and a half. You have three outfielders.
Well, I don't know. Three.
Brandon's gotten in better shape, but Brandon also could easily, like, the sun better not be out that day.

Speaker 10 Brandon doesn't do well outside.

Speaker 16 Yeah, this is it.

Speaker 1 Where do you want us positioned?

Speaker 1 Me and Hank in center?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I guess. Center right and center left? Yeah, yeah.
And then the Jerry and Jerry.

Speaker 1 And PFT's catch. Jerry played baseball.
Yeah, Jerry played baseball.

Speaker 2 That's good. That's good to know.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 10 The catching thing, Max.

Speaker 1 It sucks.

Speaker 10 I don't have a big frame for you to aim for. I apologize for that.
That's fine. I'm going to try to wear the biggest equipment I possibly can.

Speaker 10 In our bullpen session that we had yesterday, I noticed you got a little bit of movement.

Speaker 7 That's all I'm trying.

Speaker 10 And Max tried to say that he was going to have four pitches, like a two-seamer and a four-seamer. Like, what do you think the difference between your two-seamer and your four-seam fastball is?

Speaker 1 Love that. Movement, okay?

Speaker 2 I'm only throwing the, I'm never throwing the four-seamer.

Speaker 1 There's no point.

Speaker 10 Okay, and then you said that you've got a curveball. Yep.

Speaker 10 How do we feel about that?

Speaker 2 Uh it's a curveball.

Speaker 2 Does it curve? It does, but it's it's not good.

Speaker 1 Is it a hanging curveball? Yeah, yes.

Speaker 10 How high does it hang?

Speaker 2 It depends where I throw it.

Speaker 10 Hernandez curveball.

Speaker 2 And then I got a palm ball.

Speaker 1 A palm ball? You got to throw an ephis.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. I don't really understand an ephis.

Speaker 1 An ephis would work. You can throw it really slow.
I tried to slow down. No, you throw it high and slow.

Speaker 2 I also can

Speaker 2 mix in a little submarine. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What are the chances you throw out your arm? 100%.

Speaker 13 Like we need to, we actually,

Speaker 2 we need a pitch camp. We need a pitch cam.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's six out.

Speaker 10 When you say submarine, the meatball sub, are you talking about throwing it hard underhand or like softball style?

Speaker 1 How mad underhand? How mad are you going to be if we drop an easy one?

Speaker 2 So mad.

Speaker 2 You're going to do it on purpose. No, I won't.

Speaker 1 No, I won't. No, I don't want to.
I want to look good. That's true.
So I'm not. It would be a shame if Hank did.

Speaker 2 No, Hank would look good, too. Max did not.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe I'll have to do it.

Speaker 10 He bounced one

Speaker 10 into my leg. I have a feeling.

Speaker 7 Jerry would be the one to do it.

Speaker 10 I have a feeling I'm going to get hit in the balls a few times, Max. You got to wear a cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to wear a cup. And also, it sucks, BFT, because it's also scary about foul balls.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And my umpire is, I already, and he was umping my bullpen. He was giving me nothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Big T is

Speaker 10 an honest man to a fault.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. All right.
Well, it'll be fun for the AWS.

Speaker 13 Like, what about comebackers?

Speaker 1 Are we worried about that?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that was very interesting.

Speaker 1 You should look alive.

Speaker 10 Because going into it last year, I was told that there might be that screen that was in front of me, and then we said, no, fuck it, that's going to look stupid. And it was a constant fear of me.

Speaker 10 You can do the screen. You can do a screen if you want.

Speaker 10 I personally didn't. I would rather.

Speaker 2 We've got to stop comparing with what he had.

Speaker 10 Just wear a helmet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, wear a helmet. John Holmes.
I never thought about that. Yeah, because a comebacker hitting you in the ass would be very funny.
A comebacker hitting you in the head would not be funny.

Speaker 2 I need one of those softball helmets.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 you know what? No, I'm not going to put bad vibes out there. What?

Speaker 1 If a comebacker hit you

Speaker 1 and you have to go to the hospital, we're still going to come back to Chicago at the allotted time.

Speaker 1 This is this guy.

Speaker 1 I'm thrilled that that's your biggest worry right now. No, it's actually not a worry.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, no, no.
The first thing that goes into your head.

Speaker 2 No, your worry is your first thing that goes into head is, oh, will we make a bad?

Speaker 1 Ah, fuck it. I'll just.

Speaker 14 Yeah, no, it's not a worry.

Speaker 1 Can we accept the words?

Speaker 2 No, but it popped into your head because that was a worry. And then you were like, oh, never mind.

Speaker 1 I just won't. No, the worry was I didn't want to say it out loud.
No. Because I didn't want you to say that.
No, but it popped into your head. Yeah, it popped in my head.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's not a worry.

Speaker 10 Can we look into getting Fanatics to do the pants for Max?

Speaker 10 Get the see-through going on?

Speaker 1 You're going to be fine.

Speaker 1 If you want to do the screen, I would do the screen, so I will not call you a pussy. Yeah, I'm probably going to do the screen.
Yeah, do the screen.

Speaker 10 The good news is, Max, if you're throwing 60 miles an hour, they're probably not going to hit like straightaway shots. They're going to pull the shit out of the bottom.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they also can hit it wherever they want.

Speaker 2 That's not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at 60 miles an hour, they absolutely can.

Speaker 7 They absolutely can.

Speaker 1 They're going to be able to put it wherever they want.

Speaker 1 And hopefully, none go in and then out of my glove.

Speaker 10 Can I give you some advice, Max? Yes.

Speaker 10 Read up on balks.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 10 The balks will get you.

Speaker 2 I mean, I know

Speaker 2 what.

Speaker 2 I'm not a good baseball player. I know the game of baseball.

Speaker 1 All right, numbers. We got Jack.

Speaker 2 That's what's bullshit. I should be able to get in the box.
17.

Speaker 1 Is Jack doing a number?

Speaker 2 Yeah, give Jack a number.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Jack. Jack is our new, he's part of our team.

Speaker 10 24.

Speaker 1 Clips guy, the.

Speaker 1 24.

Speaker 1 Jack,

Speaker 1 why are you laughing? Oh, someone else. No, you were just giving him an intro.
He's like, 24. Yeah, he's just 24.

Speaker 7 Give me the number.

Speaker 1 Jack is a Lions fan.

Speaker 7 Detroit sports all across the board, yeah, but mostly Michigan football, Michigan football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was after the Commanders

Speaker 1 Bears game, and I was spiraling and Jack was laughing. I was like, Who the fuck do you root for? And he's like, Lions, like, no, fuck you.

Speaker 1 Uh, but Jack, welcome, Jack. Good luck, Jack.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 1 three

Speaker 17 99.

Speaker 1 11.

Speaker 2 You got to reset.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 7 Wait, is that 40 that's up there? Or that?

Speaker 1 48? It would have been 44.

Speaker 2 It would have been 44. It would have been 44.

Speaker 1 It would have been 44. 44.

Speaker 2 That actually is the next one I want to do because I want to say 44 may be best me.

Speaker 7 5, 17, 44.

Speaker 1 49.

Speaker 2 11.

Speaker 1 21. 24.

Speaker 1 76.

Speaker 1 76ers. Have the 76ers won another game?

Speaker 2 No, they haven't, but Jerry McCain's really good.

Speaker 7 He is. I actually bet him over 30 points last night.

Speaker 1 That was awesome.

Speaker 10 He was awesome. Love you guys.

Speaker 10 Don't cut that out.

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