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Today is Friday, November 15th, and the Philadelphia Eagles are at the top of the NFC East. Bernie Madoff

Sam Bankman freed

The 2020 election, the 2024 Washington commanders. Oh no, you can't do that this quickly.
Feel like the haters might honestly, what do all those things have in common? Frauds he's saying. Yeah.
Sometimes the haters are right. When the haters are right, you've got to say, great job, haters.
If nothing, I'm consistent about congratulating the haters. I don't want to say that we're fully frauds yet.
No, you're not. That's a tough divisional game.
And also, the commanders being frauds, nobody expected anything out of them, so it's hard to say that they're a fraud. However, tonight gave me some deeper concerns than i thought that a loss would give me no some deeper not necessarily about being a fraud but i'll tell you a couple things that that gave me pause um number one what what are you laughing at hank you piece of shit you asshole you fucking dickhead i apologize that was rude why are you laughing already you of shit? It's just like- I'm laughing at Hank's laugh.
I know, I know. Yeah.
It's like when someone dies, you accidentally laugh. Like, you don't mean to laugh.
That was unnecessary, and I apologize. You die? You laugh when people die? I don't, but like, you know how sometimes- What? Sounds like you do.
No, like- Maybe when a clown dies. I think it's a movie or TV show or something.
Whatever. I'm sorry.
A movie or TV show where like someone or someone says something really like sad or like something like are you talking about just curb your enthusiasm kind of yeah maybe that's what it is like bare naked ladies I'm the kind of guy who laughs at a funeral yeah it had nothing to do with Jaden Daniels you shut the fuck up Max you're not talking yet Max you're not talking yet Max oh I'm the host of the show now I to talk over everyone. Now I'm laughing at PFT.
Not laughing at you, but laughing at your reaction. Fat Italian.
Here's the thing. The thing that gave me pause about this game, the coaching decisions.
Yeah. Dan Quinn, when he went for it, I'm actually okay with it.
I am too. He's being aggressive.
Yes, three points gives you the lead in that case.

And we're talking about the field goal that he kicked when he was down 10 to 12.

Or didn't kick.

Did not kick.

Elected to go forward on fourth down where it looked like the offensive line didn't have the right timing of the play.

It was just a fumble.

Never went anywhere.

Bad play.

Bad result.

The process, I'm okay with going for it because for the first time tonight, our offense looked good on that drive. And fuck it.
Let's just go and get two yards. We've done it before.
We're pretty good on fourth down. That didn't give me pause as much as the offense when we're down two scores at the end of the game.
And we burn up four minutes. I believe there's like five minutes left in the game.
Burn up four minutes on the clock. We're running the ball.
We're not calling timeouts. Running the ball, running the ball, throwing inside passes.
It seemed like I don't think that Cliff Kingsbury understands that 26 minus 10 is 16, and that 16 is a two-score game. 16 divided by two is eight.
Now Now we've gone over this on the show. There's some 16

point leads that look enormous.

That look like they're much bigger than 16

points. 26 to 10 is a pretty

easy one. It's the easiest to

comprehend. It's the easiest to comprehend.

It's not like you're skipping

over two different sets of 10.

It's 26 minus 10 is 16.

Exactly. It's very easy.
It looked like the players

on the field knew that it was a two score game

but the plays that were being called

it didn't feel like the guy who was calling it knows that's a two-score game. And here's what this gets at, is going back to Cliff's entire existence in the second half of seasons.
So back at Texas Tech, here's his record as a head coach from 2013 to 2018 at the end of the season. Lost five of six, lost four of six, lost four of six, lost six of eight, lost six of eight, lost five of five.
At the Cardinals, he lost seven of his last nine. Then he lost five of his last seven.
Then he lost five of his last six. Then he lost nine of his last seven then he lost five of his last six then he lost nine of his last ten his offense looks completely different right now we had austin eckler that's pretty much it uh jayden daniel is a lot of drops tonight a lot of drops out there uh but no jayden did not look good he didn't look nearly as good as he that was his worst game by far that he had tonight missed open guys made some questionable decisions felt timid on a few passes didn't look particularly fast even uh i do want to give credit to the eagles defense line yeah eagles defense line that was the game their linebackers played outstanding and your secondary played pretty good too the eagles played very well tonight the the the fourth and two that you didn't go for the field goal, which I agreed with, that was the game because you had second and one

and they stood up on three straight plays.

Yeah.

That was phenomenal.

That was great.

And, Big Cat, you brought it up during the broadcast.

I've said it before, but Cliff, without the sunglasses.

It's brutal.

Listen.

She's not hot.

I, more than anybody else, understand that sometimes you look a lot better when you're wearing sunglasses all the time. Yeah.
He should keep the sunglasses on. Looks like he got pink eye.
Okay, so Jaden Daniels didn't play well, but he's a rookie. Yeah.
And he had a bad rookie game. Who cares? Yeah.
it was a tough divisional game you said it before

i think we all knew it going in the eagles have a better roster they do like that's just a fact so it's not to win that game would have been very difficult uh you have the cowboys the titans and the saints coming up you're still a yoss team yep so you know pick yourself up what percent chance yoss are we at? On the machine or in my brain? In your brain. In my brain, 90.
Still high. In the machine, probably 76.
I'm going to guess. Still high.
Oh, we're in the yafs right now. Yeah.
79. That was really good.
But in my brain. But we also haven't had the week 11 yet.
Yep. But can you...
It was if loss. Max, I apologize.
They do... But what if the 49ers...
Oh, but what about the 49ers? Oh. It's just like right now in this moment.
It was like... It didn't change at all.
It went from 80% to 79. Max, I apologize for calling you fat Italian.
No, that's fine. I deserve that.
Heat of the moment. You jumped in.
No, I deserve that. I deserve that.
But congratulations, Max. Eagles look great.
They've turned the season around. Yeah, I mean, Saquon Barkley is a problem.
He's a real problem. Max, from your perspective, break down this game because obviously you were nervous.
You were very nervous going into this game. You can tell when Max is nervous.
He kind of slapped me on the back at one point. This is like three hours before the game.
Knocked the football out of your hand. Yeah, bouncing around.
He was basically a little kid that needed a weighted blanket for the last three hours before kickoff. You know I'm not good in the bright light I know and you had Dave here you had Groot here that was that was that had max loss written all over it so my question to you though is uh the game the Eagles I want to hear how you feel about the Eagles but I also want you to hear how you feel about Jaden Daniels because you were nervous about Jaden Daniels and he has been very good this year and he's going to be in your division for a very long time.
That was your first dance with him. Tell us where your head's at.
Jaden Daniels will be a very good quarterback in this league. Jaden Daniels is just is still a rookie and that's something that I think was very evident tonight.
I think it's something that you have seen a lot when he has played good defenses it's back-to-back games against two top defenses and he's looked like a rookie quarterback but that's okay because you expect that from a rookie quarterback yeah to struggle against good defenses and to do well against bad defense so going into this year that's exactly what you want. But Jayden Daniels, I don't think, is

as a rookie a Super Bowl winning quarterback

because no rookies are a Super Bowl winning

quarterback. True.
And I would still

by the way, I would still cut off a knot for that

line. Jayden Daniels, 22 for 32.

191 yards.

One touchdown, one interception.

I would fucking... If you told me that

was Caleb's line on Sunday, I'd like, sign

me the fuck up. Plus the drops.
How many of those yards were? I mean, a lot of those yards came in. That garbage time? That garbage time.
Yeah, I mean, it was – Well, the drive where we did not kick the field goal, that was a good drive too, and I want to call that garbage time. Correct, correct.
So he got a lot of yards then. But that was – No, but I'm counting those yards.
That's what I'm saying. I'm not going to say that Jaden Daniels played even an average game tonight.
He played a bad game tonight. He was all over the map.
He missed a lot of easy throws. He's a rookie quarterback.
He looks like a rookie quarterback. And I think he might be injured too.
I'm not making excuses. But the drops and the injuries.
I said that before the game. That's the story of the game.
I said that you can tell he's a little more tentative to run the ball ever since the rib injury. It was funny, though, watching the game with Coach Gruden.
He saw Jaden warming up with a basketball, and he was disgusted. Disgusted.
What is this, man? Playing basketball out here? Come on. Get that man a football, man.
Yeah. God damn it.
This bitch. This bitch, but in a good way.
Oh, man. So, Max, you're feeling good.
Eagles are 8-2. This is, I mean, one seed? No.
We're taking it one game at a time. Really got it.
Jake Elliott. I'm going to.
Jake Elliott has enough in his history.

He's built up credit.

Yeah, to give him the benefit of a doubt of like this is just a one-off game.

If it happens again, then you start to get worried.

I'm like hovering over the panic button,

but I'm not clicking the panic button on Jake Elliott yet.

Okay.

Because that was terrible.

Realistically, the Eagles should have scored 35 points in this game.

Can you issue a statement to the city of Philadelphia and Eagles fans? How should they be treating Jake Elliott moving forward? Treat him like – treat him the same from this game, but if he has one more bad game, panic, panic. The clip of him pacing the sidelines, double tapping his head,

you never want to see that out of your kicker, ever.

That was bad.

That's like what I do.

Yeah.

That's like what I do when I'm like, I got to get myself right.

And I for sure don't have the mentals to be an NFL kicker. No, no.

But it's good that we have a little mini-bye now

because it'll be even more time for him to get this game out of his head. Yep.
He can watch some games this weekend. Chill out.
Yeah, no. Also, the one seed's not going to happen because the Lions' schedule is significantly easier than the Eagles.
Yeah, we still are at Ravens and home against the Steelers, at Commander. Yeah, the Lions have the Packers and the Bills at home,

and then the 49ers on the road.

So, I don't know, maybe.

Yeah.

Hey.

49ers on the road.

But the two seed wouldn't be bad either.

Yeah, two seed's good.

I would like, yeah.

I know, no, no, no.

You want the one seed.

I would like the one seed, but it's all right.

We're just going to take it.

We're on the next weekend, Sunday night,

against the Rams in L.A. That's a tough game.
That's a tough game. I can't believe we lost the Shark Week game.
Yeah, I was very nervous because I bet the Eagles tonight. And when the first half happened and the commanders were up and the Eagles were missing every field goal, and then the Amazon broadcast was like, yeah, Dan Quinn decided this was Shark Week.
and he's been just showing clips of shark attacks and jaws i like this is mike mccarthy smashing a watermelon all over again yeah the problem was sure and i think dan quinn was there for the smashing of the watermelon i think he was yeah so we learned it yeah so the shark week problem is that uh dan quinn as a boomer looks back fondly on shark week back when shark week was good also don't think i think I would use Jaws for Shark Week because Jaws is an incredible movie, one of the best movies of all time, but to today's age, you watch Jaws and you're like, that's a fake shark. Who wins though? Does the shark survive? I don't think so.
So that, yeah. Dan Quinn probably didn't know that.
Yeah, he probably should have. Do a movie where the shark wins.
Yeah, shark week. Hank, do you have any thoughts on the game? Commanders look bad.
I was honestly thinking. That was half a sentence.
Commanders look bad. I was honestly thinking because Coach Gruden on the stream also, it was asked him about Caleb Williams or Drake May.
Yeah, he said Drake May. and he said drake may drake may is going to be a superstar patriots have looked good commanders have looked basically should be on a three-game losing streak what does that mean whose line would it be anyway if the patriots played the commanders next week where this is what i was saying in was Landover? People were confusing.
Commanders minus one? People were confusing me. You're insane.
I'm just thinking out loud. This is way worse than what I did.
This is what I was saying on Wednesday. Coach Gruden said it.
These aren't my words. This is what I was saying.
And people were like, oh, you're saying Jaden Daniels. No, no, no.
I think Jaden Daniels is really good. Caleb Williams, we got problems.
The fucked up nature of this podcast is this guy on the couch is now going to be like, I got the superstar. I think the spread, in all honesty, Hank, in Landover.
Look at that smirk. In Landover, Hank, I think the spread...
We definitely have some bookmakers that listen to this game, right? Tell us the hypothetical spread. My guess is Commanders 5.5.
Yeah. Plus, at home? They were just 5.5 point underdogs to the Bears.
The Bears quit. Yeah, I thought it was interesting that...
He did say Drake Mays seem football mind John Gruden when asked about the number one pick he said he would take the number three pick which obviously means he would take the number three pick over the number two pick just thought it was interesting John Gruden has never coached I don't think he's coached a first round quarterback but he's evaluated all of them yeah I guess yeah he has evaluated all of them that's a fair guess. Yeah, he has evaluated all of them.

That's a fair point.

Listen, I think Drake May is very good.

We're going to talk about it actually more,

and I said something about Drake May

that is a very high compliment in the picks and preview,

but just...

You asked my opinion.

Yeah, I did.

I did.

Fuck.

I did.

I asked his opinion.

I was watching the game being like, this game is terrible. I did ask his opinion.
What's your opinion about the game? The game? I mean, the Eagles have no kicker. That's going to be a major problem.
He's a good kicker. He just had a terrible night.
He's a bad game. He's a good kicker.
Terrible night. Terrible.
I mean, that's going to be a problem. If I'm an Eagles fan, that's your kicker in the playoffs.

That game is going to creep in your mind.

He's kicked in the playoffs before.

He's had a bad game.

I'm still going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Has he ever had a game that bad?

No, not even close.

So that's what I'm saying.

No, the extra point was where it was really like, oh, fuck.

If you're going into a playoff game,

if you're saying that you're not going to be worried about him having a bad game, you're lying. And the commanders turn back into a pumpkin, 76% playoff percent chance.
It doesn't look good. You're taking the 24%.
I think I might be. I mean, they lost to the Bears, and the Bears quit.
Fact check. They did not lose to the Bears.
But also, and a double fact check, that was before the Bears quit. That's true.
Bears quit at the last play of the Cardinals game at halftime. I'm also just, this did not have an effect on the outcome of the game, probably.
But I would have liked to see a Hail Mary at the end of the first half. Yeah.
I agree. You're at the, what, 47-yard line?

I agree.

And we just run the ball?

Like, why not try Hail Mary?

He's lifetime 1,000% on Hail Marys in the NFL.

Agreed.

I have one more thing.

Any quarterback can make that throw.

Let him try it.

Yeah.

We, as a national podcast, need to –

Quinion Mitchell is a top five.

Yeah.

Toledo, Maction. It's incredible.
He's awesome. The things that he has done this year.
He is awesome. And it looks like you guys have finally – like Vic Fangio's defense, you know when it starts to work and it's starting to work.
Can I read against top receivers this year? Please. Packers week one, they don't have a true one.
Gave up one reception for six yards. Drake London, one reception, five yards.
Chris Alave, two receptions, 23 yards. Mike Evans, two receptions, 19 yards.
Amari Cooper, one reception, 10 yards. Malik Neighbors, one reception, nine yards.
Jamar Chase, two receptions, 19 yards. Jaguars don't have a true one, one reception, 11 yards.
CeeDee Lamb, two receptions, 14 yards. Terry McLaurin, zero receptions, zero yards.
That's incredible. I mean, that's going through a gauntlet as a rookie and coming out unbelievably.
Yeah. He's awesome.
Happy for you, Max. Very happy for you.
As a national podcast, we had to mention that.

I don't know why you said the national podcast thing before.

Because the national media isn't saying anything about the media.

Oh, got it.

We are the national media.

Correct.

So now we've fixed that.

Max, we talk a lot about rookies.

I want to talk about my rookies.

There you go.

I appreciate Max because we try to get it right when we can.

Yeah, we do.

So in the spirit of getting it right, I'd like to correct Max. Terry McLaurin did not get shut out for zero catches.
He had one catch for 10 yards. No, that's against him.
Oh, against him. Oh, against him.
Okay. Yeah, where was Terry McLaurin? Because he got a catch against Cooper.
See, that's what worries me about Jaden is we didn't even really try to pass to our receivers. I know.
It was a lot of dump-offs. We built the entire plane out of Austin Eckler and Zachary.
Where were his shot plays? Because he's been throwing those so perfectly. Didn't take any deep shots, really.
That's why I think he might not be healthy in trying to play off short rest with a rib injury. It's probably not good for him.
But, yeah. Listen, I feel like I'm being quite illusional and uh i will still take the 76 chance of making the play you also and we do this every single week and i think that there's uh maybe sometimes because people listen to this at friday morning when we have to record right after a loss it is always a different uh mindset yeah then like tomorrow morning like when you get us right after a loss it will always be the worst and most overreacting thing i think tomorrow morning you're gonna wake up and be like we're gonna be fine i'm gonna say something good about the commander tonight one one bright thing mike sandristill yeah cornerback that's a guy michigan five foot nine had him on aj aj brown's been waiting hold on before you do this um you should say that it's because we're a national podcast because we're a national podcast i'd like to draw attention to mike sandristill tell the world uh that guy is awesome i love that dude he's he's undersized he's he's a fucking what's a different name for a honey badger? He's a Wolverine.
He's a Wolverine. A literal Wolverine is what he is.
And, yeah, he played great defense tonight. When he was on AJ, especially in the red zone, he pretty much shut him down when they were matched up against each other.
So love that guy. And at least we have a good cornerback moving forward.
Plus, haven't gotten Lattimore out there. This game is totally different with Lattimore out there.
Yeah, I would agree with that. Probably not.
Okay. We just ran them.
I know. Yeah, I know.
Listen, I'm going through stages of cope right now, okay? So my stages of cope include Cliff Kingsbury has been bad in the last three weeks. He might be on the downside, but at least that means that no team will try to hire Cliff Kingsbury as a head coach because he's kind of taken some of that shot off.
That's one of the stages of Cope that I'm at. Another stage is we're getting an impact free agent from the New Orleans Saints who's currently on our roster right now that hasn't played yet.

Because we're a national podcast, Zach Bond has also been great.

Also great.

Badger.

I thought about it.

I was like, I can't do two national podcasts, guys. Yeah, but Badger, you should have.

Yeah, Badger.

National podcast.

Yeah, Big Cat, as a national podcast, would you like to talk about the Wisconsin Badgers

that played well tonight?

Yeah, Zach Bond played great tonight.

Badger.

He's a really good defensive player of the year, probably Would you like to, Hank, national podcast? Anything? Christian Gonzalez. From the game tonight? Yeah.
No, no, no. Just talk about your guys.
Luca had a great game tonight. National podcast.
Oh, okay. All right.
Hey, hey. National podcast.
Real quick. National podcast.
We should shout out the cleveland cavaliers they're 13 and 0 national podcast that's pretty crazy 13 and 0 national podcast i'm looking at the standings right now it's like you do you thought the celtics would be there the magic are good the knicks but the calves 13 and 0 yeah how about that and it's like i mean theistons are in there. The Bulls are the sixth seed.
There must be a – oh, the Sixers are 2-9? National Podcast. 2-9? 2-9.
Jared McCain almost won the game by himself last night. 2-9.
The National Podcast. The Sixers are 2-9.
Almost won the game. Yeah.
We're building something. That was almost your third win? We're building something in Philly.
Out of 12? We got good young guys sharing a cast. You just need a couple superstars to get in the mix, and then you guys could have a real team going.
Right. You're absolutely right.
Maybe get them healthy, and then you got a real team. Thanks, Hank.
Yeah. National podcast, I'm very excited.
Tonight is, I think, Alabama versus Purdue in college basketball. I believe.
National podcast, that's going to be a great game. Love Purdue.
National podcast. National podcast, Blake turns one and a half years.
Oh, wow. Tomorrow.
Yeah, national podcast. National podcast.
We do half years. Mm-hmm.
National podcast. Love that.
Love that. Raise awareness.
Love that. You should not do one and a half.
You should do 18 months. 18 months.
Just to throw people off. How many trimesters is that? My dog is 18 months.
Like, what the fuck? Yeah, you should do months for Blake until he's like six years old. Okay.
You should, yeah, bring that up naturally somewhere tomorrow. Be like, yeah, Blake is 18 months.
I will. I will.
It's a promise. Okay.
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They did, I love this every time they release this because it's basically a pervert stat. It's the what if NFL standings have been released.
So what if every one possession NFL game had the opposite result? Who do you think would be first in the AFC? The Indianapolis Colts. No, it'd actually be the Cincinnati Bengals would be 8-2.

8-2.

And last would be the Kansas City Chiefs,

2-7.

Fascinating.

Because they have played all one-score games.

In the NFC...

I love this stat.

It's the best.

What if the teams that were good at winning

were actually bad at winning?

Yeah, what if every win was a loss?

Yeah.

The what-if standings for the NFC, Tampa Bay would be 7-3. That's the big notable switch.
Also, the Giants would be 6-4. And then the saddest part about this is the Carolina Panthers would be 1-9.
So they would actually get worse. So they're good and they punch above their weight class in close games.
They would get worse. That's when you get blown out.
The Jets would be 5-5 memes. Still in it.
He wanted me to fact check you to make sure it wasn't the Jets. No, 5-5.
The Jets would be 5-5. You reverse all one-score games.
Oh, he stank. Would that make them top five? No, they'd be out of the playoffs.
Even in this what-if fantastical standings. Oh, we suck.
Yeah, in a fantasy land. You can't stink in a fantasy land.
I just always like looking at those because it is very funny. Just being like, yeah, what if everything was different? So what I like about this weekend is there are like three games that are awesome.
Yeah. And then there's a just heaping mound of dog shit.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
So let's start with it. Oh, let me, someone, a listener said, could you guys please say the line when you say the game? And I will start doing that.
Thank you to DraftKings. So we will start – let me pull up the current lines.
Let's start. I got the lines right here.
If you just want to say the game, I'll say the line. We'll start with the Ravens at the Steelers.
Okay. We got the Ravens favored by three on the road over under 48 and a half.
Okay, so this to me is, I'm very excited for this game because it will tell us a lot about the Steelers, I think. The Ravens, I believe, are going to be there no matter what because their offense feels unstoppable.
The Steelers, if they win this game, why not? Yeah, why not? not why not Steelers I already think why not I I'm very close to thinking why not I would like to see it especially it's Russell Wilson against the Ravens defense Kyle Hamilton's out so their secondary is is banged up has not been great all year their run defense is elite so what happens when Russell Wilson when if the Steelers can't run the ball, what's going to happen? This, though, is a strictly numbers game because here are the stats, and it's ridiculous. So this 36th time Tomlin and Harbaugh have played against each other, it's second all-time only to George Hallis and Curly Lambeau.
Over the last 20 years, the underdog in this series is 28-10-3. 74% against the spread.
And Mike Tomlin is a dog against Harbaugh. He's 12-2-2.
And then also here are the final margins of the games between the Steelers and Ravens since 2020. 7 points, 7 points, 3 points, 2 points, 3 points, 1 point, 5 points, 4 points.
These teams just play tight games. They don't like each other very much.
Yeah. No love lost between these teams.
Yeah. Throughout the record books when these teams get together.
Lamar Jackson, as a starter, has only won one time at Pittsburgh, against Pittsburgh. So his only win was in 2019, and that's when Devlin Hodges, Duck.
Duck Hodges. Is Duck still around? What's Duck doing these days? I think in Nashville.
Yeah, sure. Just hanging out? Wasn't that when we went to Kittle's house? Was he there? No, he's like, sometimes I'll throw a duck.
Maybe I might be making that up. I like that, though, for Duck.
That's a great gig for Duck if he just goes and throws routes to George Kittle in the offseasonseason yeah i like that for ducks probably just he's he's in the middle of a field somewhere shooting a shotgun i don't know the answer but i like if that is the answer i like where he's at in that answer yeah he's probably very good life that's a really good living off the land a four like a guy who had a cup of coffee in the NFL started an NFL game as quarterback named Duck Hodges

cleans up in Nashville.

Cleans up.

Yep.

That's just a fact.

Yeah.

So Lamar is 1-3 against Pittsburgh.

Duck Hodges, that was the only game that Lamar has won

against the Steelers.

So I love the Steelers as an underdog.

I always do.

Home game, home underdog against the Ravens. This game game my my only qualm this game should be at night it should be a primetime game yeah uh it's unfortunate that it that it's not that it is in fact one of the early games this weekend yeah so i don't i don't love that this will be sound the sound is going to be on this sound main tv we're going to have it this is the early slate.
Yeah, we have – by the way, we have eight games, and we only have seven TVs that we look at. We have obviously the eighth TV off to our left, so I think what we're going to do is just put one game on the eighth TV off to the left.
I like that, and that's usually the Panthers game. Yeah.
That's usually – The Panthers are on a bye week. They're on a bye week this week, so it won't be this week.
I'm excited to see George Pickens and Marlon Humphrey go at it. Yep.
So I saw that matchup, and I thought to myself, there's a good chance that one of the two of these guys gets ejected from the game, just based on vibes from both of them. But then I looked ahead at the Steelers' schedule, and I saw Steelers playing the Eagles, I think December 15th, the day of the Hank and – remember that fight, Hank? December 15th.
December 15th, Hank's first knockout. His first and only knockout.
That is going to be a matchup of the Steelers and the Eagles, and that is when we're going to get an ejection between either George Pickens or C.D. Deuce.
Yeah, it will be. But it's still going to be a feisty matchup between Humphrey and Pickens if they're on each other.
Do you guys want a crazy Lamar Jackson stat? Yeah. I have one.
This is from Dry Defender RS. Lamar Jackson, so last week the Ravens were down 21-7 I believe at halftime.
That was the first time in 40 consecutive starts for Lamar Jackson. So where he plays the majority of the game because obviously he's come out for diarrhea a few times 40 consecutive games uh without trailing by more than 10 points wow that's insane he also is currently still on his streak of 40 so this would be the 41st game uh without losing by more than seven lamar jack like that's That's insane.
They just don't get't get blown. The Ravens just don't get blown out.
Yeah. They've been a very consistent team.
And Lamar's been incredible. And I wonder, did the Steelers maybe show too much, keeping Jaden Daniels in the pocket? They were very, very good at that.
And Highsmith is out, which is big. Yeah, that's a big one also uh hamilton's out for the ravens yeah so a couple big injuries there uh they did a great job with their linebackers and the defensive line patrick queen is awesome and he's pissed and he's pissed off that he did not get a contract uh i don't know what they offered him if they offered him uh in baltimore but he's pissed off about about playing up against the ravens and he is still playing playing at the top of his ability.
Yeah. He's very fast.
He's pissed. There was one play last week where it was an RPO.
Jaden fakes the handoff. Patrick Queen takes a step inside towards the running back.
And then he beats Jaden Daniels to the sideline. Yeah.
Keeping the ball. Yeah.
He's elite. He might be spying.
That's what Jerry told us. He said Patrick Queen's going to spy Lamar Jackson.
Yeah. Do you see that there was a snake in Russell Wilson's locker last week? In his pants? Yeah, in his dick.
That's what they call it. No, there was a mom mentality.
There was a snake that was in the locker, and then they couldn't find it. But they escaped it.
Are you saying an actual snake, or is this something that Russell Wilson did and he's corny? Do you think he had one of those fake snakes? and he used it as a motivation? If I said to you, hey, Russell Wilson put a fake snake in his locker and said it's Mamba Mentality time, would you think I made that up? Well, I might. I said Mamba Mentality.
Yeah, I know. But if he had said that.
If he had said that, I would buy it. I would also see Russell Wilson having a snake there.
And he's like, there was a snake in my locker. Tried to get me to eat an apple before the game.
I turned to the Lord. I said, no, I said, I said, vanquish the Satan.
Yeah. That also happened.
Yeah. A hundred percent happened.
Okay. I agree with you.
I like the Steelers in this game. Next game.
Packers or bears. Go on.
Longest winning streak in the NFL tenant. Matt LaFleur has never lost to the Bears he's 10-0 okay so this is not correct this is not right or justified but this is the way that I have to mentally get myself to a point where I can think the Bears can beat the Packers on Sunday Shane Wald Waldron is the antichrist.
Shane Waldron caused all the problems. Shane Waldron, every war, tragedy, anything you can think of in history, Shane Waldron was the issue behind it.
That's the only, again, not right, not justified. Shane Waldron, probably a very nice guy, not a great football coach, but that doesn't matter.
He's gone, and the only way I can tell myself that the Bears have a chance is that Shane Waldron was deliberately holding the Bears back in every capacity, and now everything's going to be different going forward. Also, Keenan Allen's quote where he said Shane Waldron was just too nice of a guy, that feels like it's all a mess.
Yeah, that's not good. Shane Waldron, I don't know if you get the interim coordinator bump.
I don't know if that's a thing that happens. But there has to be an element of the offense not having to deal with Shane Waldron that just makes them happier.
You know, like when you have a guy that is clearly inept at his job, just being no longer around that guy all the time gives you a little bit more confidence going into the game you don't know what you're going to get but you know that it's not going to be shane waldron yeah so what the bears are doing and we've made this joke before that uh you know sean mcveigh has such a great uh track record that it became a part of the nfl ecosystem that like if you got sean mc's coffee, you got a job. The Bears are testing that theory because Shane Waldron, I think his highest level for the Rams was passing game coordinator, and he's gone, and now we have Thomas Brown, whose highest level for Sean McVay was assistant head coach and tight ends coach.
Now, wasn't Thomas Brown, didn't he call plays for the Panthers last year? For three weeks, and then Frank Reich took it back. Yeah.
So we are really going to the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the barrel of if you were in the same room as Sean McVay, you know how to call NFL offense. I don't think he does, but the Bears at least are testing the theory.
Yeah, it's somebody new. Yes, saw reports that caleb williams and and him tom don't talk yeah that was weird that was weird he was the passing game coordinator before now he's the offensive coordinator and there's been a lot of report that like they don't really meet there's been a lot of reports there's been a lot of bad reports i also saw uh that's the difference between russell wilson and caleb williams did you see the clip from rossini's podcast and chase and Chase Daniel? Yeah, I've done that clip a hundred times.
I know. The way it was all laid out tight was honestly wild.
What does the clip say? It says everything I've said a million times over, but I'll say it real quick again. They've basically, since firing Lovie Smith, they've gotten every timeline wrong.
Phil Emery hired Mark Trestman. Mark Trestman leave.
Phil Emery stayed. John Fox drafted Mitch Trubisky.
Fired John Fox after a year. Then it was Matt Nagy.
I get my Matt's confused. Who was there.
So John Fox drafted. John Fox didn't even know he was drafting Mitch Trubisky.
Ryan Pace did. And then Matt Eberflus came on, inherited Mitch Trubisky, never drafted Mitch Trubisky, didn't want Mitch Trubisky.
And then Mitch Trubisky's gone, and they drafted Justin Fields, and Matt Nagy then gets fired, and Matt Eberflus inherits Justin Fields, didn't want Justin Fields, drafted Caleb Williams, and then he's going to get fired, and whoever the next guy is is going to inherit Caleb Williams, probably not wanting Caleb Williams. Basically a history of coaches that didn't want Justin Fields drafted Caleb Williams and then he's going to get fired and whoever the next guy is going to inherit Caleb Williams probably not wanting Caleb Williams basically a history of coaches that didn't want the quarterbacks that they had and then a bunch of general managers who didn't want the coach that they had yeah just never actually hiring the right thing at the right time at the same time they're never on the same page as each other yeah yeah it's a shit show hey guys it's a, guys, it's a shit show.
And it's the Packers. Shock the world.
I told you, by Sunday morning, I'm going to believe that we're going to win this game because I haven't connected all the dots, but where was Shane Waldron on 9-11? Good question. Just asking.
Did you see, by the way, did you see? So Carl blogged it, but there was an entire blog uh he found i think it was a reddit post that essentially was like paul skeins is a sociopath that's why he's so good at baseball and they backtracked when he was born and the theory is that his parents had sex on 9-11 the butterfly effect and they basically like blocked out all the noise of 9-11 and created Paul Skeets. Did they? Now, was this a little too deep? A little too much.
How early in the morning? We don't know. Was this before you get out of bed for work? It was just, yeah, you don't know the exact time.
But yeah, people have way too much time on their hands. But I did think it was interesting.
He was born mad. Yeah.
We like Paul Skeens on this show. I love Paul Skeens.
I mean, it was a sociopath in a good way. Like, he's so locked in that he, like, his ability to lock in and outside noise and just, like, mow down hitters.
Like, that's why he's elite. It wasn't a bad thing for him.
Yeah, I know. Good guy.
Yeah. Very good guy.
Preparing guest. Yeah.
Okay. I don't have anything else in this game.
The Packers are going us you never know you never know division matchup i want big cat to be back i'm gonna bet on the packers i'm gonna say fuck it no bears there's sorry yeah but against the packers betting on the bears there's no reason why the bears should win this game absolutely zero reason why they should do it but the nfl is a weird place yeah weird shit happens and chaos happens just you You need an ugly game. They're going to to get an ugly game going here you need ever lost here's a recipe you need you need jordan love to throw one of those weird like behind his back pick sixes get a defensive score you need caleb to just do handoffs cale i hope that i hope that the new offense coordinator doesn't have caleb doing all that weird shit at the line of scrimmage i get it it.
If you're Peyton Manning or if you're Tom Brady, if you've been in an offense for a long time, have them direct the offense. Why are you making a rookie quarterback do that? It made no sense since week one.
Nothing made sense. The level of responsibility that you put on Caleb Williams when Caleb hasn't done shit in the NFL yet.
Let him go out there and make easy throws. Don't have him trying to direct the symphony that is the weird fucked up bears offense because even if even if he's able to know all the plays and tell players where to go it's still going to be a bad result to these shitty plays that they're calling don't make him feel like he's got too big a part of that failure right off the bat give him easy shit to do it's all I mean I everything you said is correct whether they do.
Probably not. It just makes no sense to have a rookie quarterback.
None of it makes sense. And to put that much on him right now, straight off the bat.
The guy, he's mentally locked up because Matt Eberflus is a fucking idiot and they're just doofuses. And Kevin Warren tried to cancel Big Ten because of COVID and he's the one who's calling the shots.
And it's just, I hate everything. Everything sucks.
We're just back in an exact same spot. What about bear football? What about bear football, big cat? What about handing the ball off to you running back? It would be nice.
And not letting, not letting him get sacked eight times a game. Not been great.
It'd be nice. I actually wouldn't hate it too.
If Caleb Williams threw an interception in this game game because maybe he would be taking a shot that actually was close to someone.

You know what my red flag on Caleb is?

He's been throwing deep balls that aren't even close to being intercepted.

You know what my red flag is?

What?

He hasn't even cried this year.

Yeah, he should cry.

I mean, the knock on him was he cried after bad losses.

He's definitely cried this year.

Well, he hasn't cried on camera.

In private.

I mean, I've cried in private.

Yeah.

So he's definitely cried in private.

But, I mean, there was something about him last year where he was taking losses so hard that he was crying. Yeah.
I'd like to see the man cry. It's a disaster.
We're walking into a disaster. Also, our good friend Bear Down Cuz is going to come on the stream on Sunday from Bob Doe Sports Universe.
He came last year. Yeah.
Great dude. So he'll be with us on the stream, so at least we'll have an extra.
The Bears, they're going to be on no sound. I just, whatever.
We'll see. We'll see.
They suck. They suck.
Everything sucks. The organization is a joke.
They've ruined Caleb Williams. It sucks.
Speaking of the Bears being frauds, did you see the clip? Well, no, they're not're not frauds they're bad do you see the clip that came out from california about the the fraudulent bear well but the bears aren't fraud okay but did you see did you see the clip in in california so apparently these people are under investigation for insurance fraud every now and again you see a camera like a ring camera or uh like a security camera of a bear that climbs into somebody's car looking for food and mauls it up and tears it up from the inside apparently there's been this group of people that have been dressing up as bears wearing like scissors on their hands climbing into cars scraping them up and then collecting all the insurance money because the car is totaled or the inside the car is all fucked up so they got like a human wearing a bear outfit climbing into a car trying to look like a bear and then scraping it up on the inside oh i just thought that was an interest i would love to be a fraud yeah we were frauds at four and two that's what i'm saying being a fraud i'm loving life as a fraud let me real quick i want to just go around the room um i'm holding a number underneath my chair uh one to ten ten being wins the super bowl. One being he's out of the league in like a year and a half.
What do you think about the future of Caleb Williams? Be honest. Well, you're only holding one hand, so it's got to be between one and five.
Well, yeah, duh. Three.
Okay. Seven.
That's a lie. I said be honest.
I would say higher than this, but the fact you only have one hand, I'll say five. Okay.
For one hand, I'll say four, but I think he's an eight. Names got it.
I think he's an eight. That's where I'm at.
And it's not Caleb Williams. The organization is a fucking joke.
Do you extend that same grace to the offensive coordinators that come in? Is it the Bears just working for the Bears that makes offensive coordinators suck? No. Well, we hired the worst offensive coordinator on the market.
Yeah, that's true. I mean, Jackson Smith and Jacob laughed when he got hired.
We all knew this was going to happen. It's not revisionist history.
It's just wishful thinking that went totally awry. Okay.
Raiders at Dolphins. We are back to Gardner Minshew.
What were you going to say, Max? You had something else? No, I had nothing else. You were looking at me like you wanted to say something.
No, I just like Caleb Williams. Memes likes Caleb Williams.
I love Caleb Williams. You could get it.
Who knows? Who knows? It's year one. You could get it.
It's not. You guys are being nice.
I appreciate you guys. The coach is out there.
I appreciate you guys being nice. I really do.
As friends, you don't have to. Caleb Williams is the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck.
How many times did you hear that? Max, I agree with you. Caleb Williams is still a good quarterback.
He just needs to get in a comfortable system. He needs to not be surrounded by a hurricane of shit.
And he needs his players to not hate him. He needs his wide receivers to not hate him.
DJ Moore's got to get out of there. I said that! How about this? What if Caleb Williams right now what if he was on the open market? For a trade? He's not.
What do you give up for him? First round pick? Ask me if Mims wants him. Alright, you can have him.
I'd take him. First round pick.
He's still a first round pick quarterback. I still want him.
I'm not trading him.

There we go. See, that's all we need.
That's all we needed you to say. It's bad, but I'm not trading him.
And they're going to beat the Packers. And Shane Waldron was the reason for all of this.
Raiders at Dolphins. Line? Oh, we got it right there.
Yep. Raiders at Dolphins.
It is going to be seven. Minus seven for the Dolphins.

Okay.

Yeah, Hank, you do the lines.

Over under 44.

Okay, Hank will do the lines.

So we're back to Gardner Minshew.

Also, we have to be full disclosure.

I think I speak for both of us, PFT,

when I say that we're rooting for the Raiders offense to have some success

because our friend Scott Turner is now the OC.

Yep.

We like Scott Turner.

And Norv Turner.

His dad is working as a consultant with the team.

Love that.

Norval.

Bold with Scott Turner in the 2019 Final Four in Minneapolis.

I said Minneapolis.

Minneapolis had a great night. Great time.
Knows brother, too. So we knew we loved the Turners.
Yep. I don't know how the Raiders are going to be able to run the ball though.
And I think that's what Scott Turner wants to do. Yeah, it's going to be a challenge for him.
Although we're getting Florida man Minshew. True.
Good point. So you're always looking for what kind of spark you can get out of Minshew.
We always say if you put Minshew in as a backup quarterback, you get a spark. I feel like in the state of Florida, that's when you're going to get pure Gardner Minshew.
I know he's not from Florida, but he's got big-time Florida energy to him. I like the possibility of him doing some fuck shit this weekend.
Yeah. Now, this is a rest game, too.
It is. A bye week.
It's a big-time rest game. It's's a bye week for the raiders and then it's a short week for the dolphins who played on monday night so you might say to yourself that heavily favors the raiders in this situation but the dolphins are five and oh against the spread when they are at a rest disadvantage oh wow since 2022 so the dolphins don't need sleep yeah they're like sharks.
Just keep swimming. Also, Tua said he would do it again when going head first into a tackle.
I think he also said that just discourages me from throwing interceptions. Sure.
Yeah, whatever it takes. I think we have to stop the hand-wringing about Tua.
I know that everyone wanted him to maybe walk away. Tua knows what Tua knows at this point.
I mean, if he's going to jump headfirst into people, it's like, what are you going to do? Yeah. What are you going to do? Yeah.
I mean, Tua wants to play football. He wants to play football.
You can't stop someone. I'm a believer in freedom of choice.
You should be able to do this. Yeah.
The Dolphins, so they are just coming off. I believe they cut their team captain, which hardly ever happens.
I can't think of another time that a team captain has been cut midseason. Shane Waldron was our team captain.
Yeah, he was. And Desmond Ritter is now being talked about by certain segments of Raiders fans as being the answer.
So that's kind of a sad state of affairs that you've got in Las Vegas. Desmond Ritter is the answer.
I don't know what the question is. What question could Desmond Ritter possibly be the answer to? I think this game, the Dolphins are second in pass blocking.
The Raiders are 29th in pass rush. But the Raiders do do a good job.
They do the Chiefs defense where they just don't let explosives down the field. I think it might be a little tighter.
I just don't know how the Raiders offense does anything. And it's not because of Scott Turner.
He's a very good play caller. Yeah.
Ultimately, this might come down to football guy versus nerd. Yeah.
Who do you take, Antonio Pierce or Mike McDaniel? Okay, next game. Colts at Jets.
Colts at Jets line, Hank. That was your only job.
Jets are minus four. The over-under is 43 and a half.
Max, you do the lines now. I got the now.
I got the lines. Max got the lines now.
I can do

the lines. I just don't know.
You have other things going on.

I just don't know what game you're going to go to.

I haven't pulled up right here. Max has them pulled up.

I haven't pulled up. Hank's out.

Okay. Max.

Colts and Jets.

Memes. Jeff

Ulbrich said to the team that they're going to

return to fundamentals of tackling and be in pads and they needed a tackling presentation for the team before practice. What do we think about that? Sometimes you got to keep some things to yourself.
Yeah. Yeah.
Some media training for Jeff. Yeah.
Don't say anything. This is why Jeff isn't, you don't have a head coach.
No, he ruined all chances of becoming a head coach. He was going to get some interviews in the offseason, and now he's – I don't know if he was.
Was he? No, he was predicted to get some. Oh, really? Yeah.
But then he got promoted to head coach, and now he's dead. Who told you that? Tyson Bajan's dad? Bunch of Florios.
Okay, yeah. Bunch of Florios.
You hear the good Florios. You've got two Florios on your shoulder at any given time, and depending on what you're in, you listen to the angel or the demon.
This case, I don't feel like Jeff Ulbrich was going to be like a real hot name. He would have got some interviews.
He would have got some interviews. Okay, memes.
Here's some good news for you. When Aaron Rodgers was asked if he's going to play in 2025, he said, I think so, yeah.
Yeah, I'm kind

of fired up. Yeah? Yeah.

Alright, so

real quick, I had a question about

Jeff Ulbrich.

This is really bad for me too because

the Jets and Bears are in equal hell

so you being fired up just

shows how ridiculous I am whenever I get

fired up. Hold on.
I said kind of fired up.

Hold on. Did you take that as like a...
I think so, yeah. It's not an answer.
You said, I think I'm fired up, as if his answer was, yes, I'm back. I just got to see who the coach is.
Well, this is also tremendous inconsistency from you, Mews, because you said, I believe last week, that you hope that he retires. Yeah, but it's a roller coaster room for the Jets.
where you're at at uh 3 10 p.m on thursday yep you want aaron rogers to play next year and you're kind of fired up about him kind of wanting to play next year yeah because you could go all all in in the offseason let's put it this in this analogy okay so uh i have i have garage at home, and every now and then I'll forget to hit the garage door when I leave.

If my wife texted me and said, did you hit the garage door?

And I say, I think so, yeah.

She's like, fuck, he didn't do it.

Yeah.

I think so, yeah, is not a good.

That's a lot of no in I think so, yeah. I mean, you've got to see how the team looks in the offseason.
Did you remember to do this? I think so, yeah. That's pretty much – well, now I have to go.
Did you remember to turn off the oven? I think so, yeah. Yeah, I think the idea of Aaron Rodgers, he's a Hall of Fame quarterback, is good.
But Aaron Rodgers right now is not good. Yeah.
But I just want to keep believing that he's going to have that Aaron Rodgers performance, and maybe next year is that year. What other former friends of Aaron Rodgers would have to get signed by the Jets for you to be like, yes, we're rebuilding, we're all in again? David Bakhtiari.
Okay. The missing link.
Yeah, the missing link. I have some news on Memes' mental headspace right now.
Oh, no. Before we started here, Memes said, Memes goes, I hope that they lose this week so that they can just die.
Oh. And I picked up on what he said, and I was like, wait a minute.
If they lose this week, they're dead? So they're not dead yet. I think so, yeah.
And he goes, well, if you look at the percentages, if they win this weekend, they're dead so they're not dead yet yeah and he goes well if you look at the percentages if they win this weekend they're actually still alive yeah they bounce up to 20 memes are the jets dead right now technically no okay the answer there was i think so yeah i you never know because that gives you a little no yeah no i if they win they that. All right, so what does a perfect weekend look like for you, me and Sam? The perfect weekend actually happened last weekend.
Yeah, I know, which is why you were down after the perfect weekend. Yeah, so they'll win, and everybody else will win.
Okay, so you'll hold up your end of the bargain. Yeah.
Hold on. Can we just remind the listeners what happened to the Jets this weekend? Yeah.
Defense doesn't travel. They got killed by the Cardinals.
They got smoked. Memes, I'm just, I'm living one week ahead of you.
We got smoked by the Cardinals and I was like, it's over. We walked into that Patriots game.
I was like, we're going to lose this game. You need to get in line.
The Cardinals are just graveyarding teams. Yeah.
So would you rather go up against Joe Flacco or Anthony Richardson this weekend? Joe Flacco. So you don't like the move to Anthony Richardson? He's actually right because it's the run.
I imagine the switch to Anthony Richardson was they watch the Cardinals film and we can't tackle and Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson are just going to run the ball every single play. That would be crazy if Shane Steichen didn't throw a pass.
Yeah, Shane Steichen said, well, he had a quote about Anthony Richardson. He said, over the last two weeks, he's made strides, big-time strides, in becoming a pro's pro.
So we got pro's pro Anthony Richardson coming in. I don't know what that means.
The problem that Shane Steichen, like, I always thought that benching Anthony Richardson, we've talked about this, it was kind of weird because you're probably not a playoff team, but then they're like, maybe we are a playoff team. You don't want to lose the locker room, get that, whatever.
The problem was they said that Joe Flacco was the starter going forward. They should have just said, Anthony Richardson needs a couple games to get his head on right, and then you go back to him because now you're going back to him essentially saying, we're not going to the playoffs.
Yeah, the Colts, they should just say, whoever has the best week of practice. Yeah.
Honestly, they should flip a coin. Open competition.
They should flip a coin and just be like, hey, we're just going to go this way. That way no one loses their confidence.
All right, so I think we can all agree that at some point this season, the Colts are going to go back to Joe Flacco. Right? Probably.
Probably. Well, definitely because Anthony Richardson might get tired.
That's true. But, I mean, as a starting quarterback.
Yeah. If he gets tired from a hard week of practice.
I think so, yeah. I think they will.
The real question is, are the Colts going to go back to Anthony Richardson this season? I think so, yeah. So, okay, we're going to get back and forth, back and forth.
Yeah, I think so, yeah. At least one more time.
I like that. I like that.
And is there any rule that says that you have to name a starting quarterback before the actual game? I think so, yeah. Yeah? Okay.
I think so, yeah, is actually a great answer because you just give yourself such a great out. Yeah.
Like, yeah, well, I didn't say yes. I said, I think so.
Yeah. So when Aaron Rodgers says, I think so, yeah, at returning, is he thinking that he might get a job in the administration? And in that case, he won't be back? I think so.
Yeah, there it is. There it is.
That honestly wouldn't be the most shocking thing ever, would it? If he got a job. Rodgers went to work for the government.
Yeah, no. i think his odds are better yeah that than to win a super bowl did you see the uh did you see the deep dive into aaron rogers on espn did you read that article i did not yeah it was uh i mean it wasn't anything new it was basically like this guy you know he's a legend he's hurt he's doesn't have his mobility.
And I think the biggest issue is that he demands perfection. And a lot of the players, in talking about it, like they were talking to offensive linemen, wide receivers, that you have to be perfect and on his wavelength, and he doesn't always explain what his wavelength is.
What does wavelength mean? Like you got to know where he wants you. He wants everything specific.
Like he wants to know that you're going to be at this spot at this location at this part of the drop like all that so it's the mike williams play that ended that game against the bills it sounds like something that an offensive coordinator should be in charge of yeah but they don't have one yeah we don't have anything i didn't realize he referred to nathan hacket as his best friend i didn't't realize he was his best friend. Yeah.
That's crazy. Best friend.
Too nice of a guy. Too nice of a guy.
Okay. Next up Browns at Saints.
Max. We're going to get this eventually.
I got it. I got it.
I got it. I was so confused.
I was like neither of these are my teams. It is It is.
Memes, you're in charge. Browns minus one against the Saints.
You're jumping all over the map. No one knows what game you're going to go to.
Yeah, but it's all right there. Yeah, no.
It was literally right there. It was literally the very next one.
It's on there. I just panicked because normally you say Max when it's Eagles.
I was like, neither of these are my teams. No, I think I went off of how ESPN had them listed.
So, okay, Brown Saints. I love the Browns in this game.
I think we're back with Jameis. Yeah, also, big news out of Browns camp this week.
Vrabel's back on the field. Oh.
Vrabel put on the practice jersey and went out there, took some reps at defensive end. Now, it was the red non-contact jersey i expect more from vrabes i was hoping maybe some pads and cleats i actually do think he was wearing cleats um but yeah he's back on the field and uh jamis revenge game i kind of miss revenge game i kind of i i also just think that the interim bump you can only do so much it's over.
Yeah. Actually, I was looking back at the game on Sunday, the Falcons and the Saints.
I actually think the interim bump ended at halftime, but they were able to hold on. Because if you look at that game, the Falcons outgained them by over 100 yards.
The Falcons had I think it was 11 more first downs. The Falcons ran for 181 yards on the Saints.
The Saints just got off to a hot start. They went with passion and fight, and then they were able to hold on to the last second.
That was a little misleading. The Browns coming off a bye.
Nick Chubb now feels like he might be fully. This might be the Nick Chubb's all the way back game.
Yeah. That's how I'm feeling.
I don't hate that.

The only counteraction is if the Rizzler clogs a toilet before this game.

Yeah.

That's what he's got to do.

He's got to take a massive, massive dump.

He has to.

Bring Bounty Gate back, but this time it's about paper towels.

Yes, he has to.

So, yeah, I mean, I just think the Saints are 30th in pass blocking.

The Browns are 4th in pass rush.

The Saints can't stop the run.

The Browns are going to want to try to run i i i'm backing on jamis backing on jamis yeah let's let's let's get some weird stuff going here jamis you know the building you know how you know where everything is located in that town you're going to show up to the game give a big pregame speech it's gonna be excellent i think i like the Browns. Yeah.
Okay. Rams at Patriots.
Rams minus four and a half at the Patriots. You know what? Next week when I write all these down, I'll just write down on my notes the line so I can just read it right from my notes.
That was my mistake. But it could change.
But it could change. It could change.
It could change. Hank.
I'm going in optimistic. Probably the first time that, you know, I'm working my way into actually rooting for this team and being excited about games.
I think we could win this game. I like how Drake may have been playing.
It's been exciting. The Rams are a good team, well coached.
There's a chance that Sean sean mcveigh you know just absolutely alphas the fuck out of mayo and and they score like 40 points that's definitely a possibility but i like our chances i like us i like us hungry dogs what about drake may's speech it's a great speech he gave great a candidate for speech of the year so he addressed the the log. He asked the offense coordinator permission first.

Permission to address the offense.

Permission granted Drake.

And then apparently he stumbled over his words a couple times,

but the message got across.

And Demario Douglas heard it and said, okay, it's serious now.

Now that Drake May is taking leadership on it. Yeah, we got a leader.

We got a leader.

We got a good quarterback.

The players are bought in.

They believe in him. I think they're going to fight.
I think the Bears quit, so I think that was a little misleading. That's fair.
Not from Drake May. I think Drake May is pretty good.
I think Drake May is like, he's kind of got a little Josh Allen. He likes to take off likes to take off and a couple you know the interceptions if you can josh allen threw a lot of interceptions first year like bring them down like i i'm not saying he's josh allen but i i like drake may what i've seen i'm talking more about the patriots defense they had nine sacks which was oh you know they had 16 going into the to the week against the bears then they had nine against the bears yeah and the bears offensive line' offensive line is a joke.
I don't think you can pay too much mind to that. That's what I'm saying.
I think I'm excited for the Patriots' offense. I think there's a chance that the defense, again, and McVay's a really good coach, and Mayo's not the most experienced, so this could be a serious mismatch.
Rams' offense, Pat's defense, and the Patriots could lose. But we're at the point in the season where it's like I want them to win and I want the Patriots to play well.
Even if we lose, I just hope that the offense looks good. Yeah, and your defense looked good last week.
The Rams offensive line did not look good last week. But it's one of those tricky things where the Rams went from being very injured so you can blame poor offensive line play on just having stopg guys, to then now you can blame their bad offensive line play on getting their healthy players back and not having any chemistry with the rest of the offensive line.
And they didn't give them much help. I think they used 12 personnel 9% of the time in Week 10, which is like 25% lower than what they've been doing all season.
Yeah. The Rams, yeah, it.
It felt like that was the week they got healthy, but not all they need a game under it. Yeah.
And the Rams have to win. Like, they are still very much alive.
What's the weather going to be like, though? That is Rams cross country. That's a long trip.
Yeah, also, who's keeping the light? I don't know who's keeping the light in Boston on Sunday. It's going to be nice.
Oh, okay. 42-59.
Obviously, Gillette's a little bit outside of that, but it looks like it would be perfectly good weather. Sunny, 50 degrees.
Did you watch the season finale of the Aaron Hernandez sports story? No, I haven't watched the season beginning. Season finale is interesting.
What happens? Kirk Minahan happens. Does Aaron survive? I got happens does aaron survive basically what they did was they did a full season on aaron hernandez's life nine episodes on his life his family his career and then episode 10 was kirk minahan yeah i saw the clips i have to watch the whole episode yeah kirk minahan basically like yeah he did it he was the villain villain.
He is the brand, the broken of the season of American Sports Story. It's ridiculous.
Yeah. Wait till Aaron Hernandez dies.
He does. He does.
Fuck. He does.
So I got to watch that. Season two? I don't know if there's going to be a season two.
I did see that Kirk had a full movie theater packed to watch it, which is very funny. Yeah.
So I got to watch that. I haven't caught up on any TV.
Yeah. I mean, I've started like six different shows.
I got to watch the Penguin. I heard that was good.
It's so good. I'm not even close to it.
I started the Menendez thing, maybe two episodes. Haven't gone back to it.
Skip everything and go to Penguin. Okay.
Yeah, I gave up on that. Shrinking.
Shrinking is awesome. I know, but I can't.

I just can't.

I start it, and then football comes back on.

Penguin.

Penguin's good.

Okay.

Worth your time.

All right, I'll watch the Penguin.

Also, Aaron Hernandez, just because the guy that plays Matt Patricia and Robert Kraft.

You've said that about like 10 guys.

I mean, the Matt Patricia guy.

What they did was they basically put a visor and a pencil on Max and then just had him sit in silence. And they like here's not patricia yeah that does uh okay next up so hank optimistic also excited to watch drake may yeah i think that's fair i'm glad that you're excited finally yeah you finally got what we were telling you yeah if he gets hurt rookie quarterbacks Rookie quarterbacks.
Watching rookie quarterbacks can be fun.

If he gets hurt or if he gets tired during a play and has to take a spell,

are we going back to Jacoby Brissett or is this Joe Milton?

I don't care.

If that happens, I'm back out.

Yeah.

You turn it off.

Yeah.

Okay.

Vikings at Titans.

Vikings at Titans, Max.

That would be the Vikings minus six at the Titans.

Oh, you yelled that.

Well, I got excited because I was quick with it.

Yeah, you were quick with that.

I don't know what to make of this game because I still believe in the Titans defense

and I think Sam Darnold's slipping,

but I also know that Brian Flores is probably going to cause massive havoc. Yeah, this is his wet dream is going up against Will Levis.
Yeah. A man who gets excited easily.
I'll put it that way. Yeah.
I kind of want to take the Titans in the first half. They've played good football in the first 30 minutes of every game.
Not every game, but a lot of the games, And then they just fall apart. Yeah.
I just, I, I, I go back to that matchup. Brian Flores is tough enough to deal with.
If you've been in the league for a long time. Yeah.
I feel like he's, he sees a quarterback with like, uh, lots of tattoos on his throwing arm and he thinks to himself, I'm going to, I'm just going to fuck this guy up this week. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Max just pulled up. The Titans are still first in defensive yards allowed.
They're also 11th in DVOA. They're a good defense.
Everything else, I don't know what to make of. They can get run on, though.
Yeah, a little bit. The last three weeks, they've had like 137 rushing yards per game against them.
That was also the Lions, though. Yeah, that's true.
And that was Jameer Gibbs' 80-yard rush.

Yeah, that's true.

I saw an article that said that Sam Darnold

could actually be the Titans quarterback next year.

That's perfect.

As a bridge quarterback.

Oh, my God, is that perfect.

So this could be a test drive for Sam.

If you're the Titans defense, are you being told,

hey, let's see what he can do.

Let's run some different patterns.

Let's mix up the coverages to see how he would fare against certain types of defenses so we can get a scouting. I'm mad I didn't think about that.
That couldn't be a more perfect fit. It would be a great fit, right? Yeah.
Okay, last early game, Jaguars at Lions. Jaguars at Lions.
13. I see 14.
14. That's on I saw them earlier today as 13.
It's 14. So the Jaguars have been underdogs of 13-plus points how many times since 2010? Since 2010.
Since 2010. 13-plus points is a lot.
That doesn't happen often in the NFL. 11.
Six? 18 times. Please.
18 times they've been 13-plus point underdogs since 2010. To put it into perspective, since 1970, the Pittsburgh Steelers have been 13-plus point underdogs one single time.
Hmm. That's quite something.
That's quite something.

They pay these guys to play football, too.

But this is Doug Peterson's firing game.

It's a bye week next week.

Trevor Lawrence is hurt.

Mac Jones is going again.

I have this circled as quit watch.

I'm predicting over one and a half interceptions for Mac Jones this weekend.

Mac Jones is 4-15 against the spread in his last 19 starts as an underdog.

Yeah, it does feel like a blowout.

It feels like a blowout early and then a quit

because if you're going to fire Doug Peterson in season,

it's going to be after playing the Lions, going on a bye week.

That all just kind of tracks, right?

Yeah.

And the Lions, I think they're the number one team i would trust it with a double digit spread in the nfl right now yeah i mean their offense has all the weapons it feels like they can score 30 points against anybody and it does the jacksonville secondary is like one of the worst uh they don't have a single person that's in the top 50 at pro football focus. Yeah, and it also feels like the Lions are just like, they're so dialed in, they're just push, push, push.
What was that face, Hank? You're going to take the Jaguars? I think so. This is the NFL makes no sense game of maybe the year.
Really? Don't you think? No. They won't be able to pass the ball.
They're going to get at least 35 points scored on them. I like you releasing that, though.
That was for free. Just so AWLs know, Hank just released his The NFL Makes No Sense Game of the Year.
You're talking Moneyline? I will be taking the spread. No, no, no.
You've got to take Moneyline. After making that statement, you I will.
I mean, I'll definitely take a Moneyline personally. I probably won't put him in the Hungry Dog, but I'll take him spread for – well, I won't give away my picks.
Oh, man. But I will take them Jaguars if no one else does.
And also, I love the fact that Jared Goff threw five interceptions last week. Yeah.
I love it because he's not going to do it again. Yeah.
He got him out of his system. Agreed.
Agreed. Okay.
Oh, you want a crazy stat? This is a mind-blowing stat that I found. Aiden Hutchinson is still fifth in the NFL in total pressure.
Yeah. That's pretty nuts.
They were saying that he probably would have broken the all-time record if he stayed healthy. He hasn't played in weeks.
Also, this is from Sports Info Solutions. The Jaguars have given up 11 yards a play versus play-action passes this year.
31st. The Lions are pretty damn good at play-action passes.
But the NFL makes no sense game of the year. So now I'm in a pickle.
Yeah, so Hank, how confident are you in this pick in plus 14 yeah confident what about money line not but i will do it but it sounds like you're supremely confident at plus 14 i am really yeah i i nfl makes no sense it's not there's not like stats behind it close but that but it happens every year there's always games where it's like how the fuck did the lines lose to the jaguars when the playoffs come i don't think it's gonna affect their seating i don't think it's gonna i love this energy like it'll be you know oh yeah the the patriots lost to the bangles like the the that was week one so it's not it's harder for that to happen it's's like when Doug Peterson said after the last game, you wouldn't understand.

He's talking about this type of game.

You don't understand.

The NFL doesn't make sense to you.

Okay, so I'm very close to now releasing my Doug Peterson

is going to get fired after this game, game of the year.

Very close.

And here's the only thing I'll say to you, Hank.

I know what you're saying.

There is always one or two of these games.

Can I interest you in a different option for this?

Let's go. and here's the only thing I'll say to you Hank I know what you're saying there is always one or two of these games can I interest you in a different option for this? Sure Kansas City Chiefs beat the Buffalo Bills they're 10-0 next week they play the Carolina Panthers nah it's the Chiefs the Lions don't have the Chiefs, the Lions have the opposite of like the Chiefs black magic Jack our guy Jack Mack, said, I just saw him tweeting about it that I guess it's like a trend on TikTok right now that people are making memes about the Panthers ending the Chiefs' undefeated season.
I like that, calling their shot. It's like, yeah, like everyone's just making hype videos a week and a half in advance.
I like that. Listen, the Panthers have 14 days to get ready for the Chiefs.
Yeah. They're dangerous with 14 days.
What's Bryce Young's record off a long breast? Dave Canales is dangerous with 14 days. Mm-hmm.
Dangerous. I just like that the internet's getting ahead of this.
I mean, it would be so funny if it happened and they just called their shot. This would be a shocking.
Can we watch one of them, Memes?

Can you find one?

If Hank's right, this is a shocking result.

Yeah.

This would be a shocking, shocking result if this happens.

All right, Memes is going to find one for us before we do the game. I feel like this is a matchup of two teams that never play each other.

Yeah, I'd agree.

It does feel like.

The Lions and the Jaguars?

Yeah.

Never seen that before.

Panthers and Chiefs also.

Yeah, big time.

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All right, let's watch this. You got this? Okay, so before we do the afternoon games, I want to see the memes that are going around about the Panthers ending the Chiefs perfect, which, again, is 10 days early because they might have a – oh, Max just had to do a are you a human drag the slide thing.
All right, let's see this. Who's going to stop the Chiefs to repeat?peat? I like that the Panthers have their swag back a little bit.
This is what I love about and kind of miss about having just like everything to complain about. Yeah.
Is it forces you to find creative ways to love your team. Yeah.
Yeah, because we haven't seen this fight from the Panthers in forever. Oh, hero.
It's Bryce Young. He's throwing one of his multiple touchdown passes.
He's thrown. I love this.
I love this. Good spiral.
That was maybe a preseason game. This is great.
I like it when they also mix in like a dropped pass. Yeah.
The highlight reel. Yeah.
Okay. So good luck to the Panthers in the, that might be my, the NFL makes no sense game of the year.
Yeah. Okay.
Afternoon games, we have the Falcons at the Broncos. I think the Broncos are going to get off the mat here and respond very well.
And I think the Broncos are going to win this game.

And I think we're going to be like, what's up with the Falcons?

Can they win a game?

Well, fun stat about Sean Payton, because I was thinking about this game,

Payton going up against an old NFC South opponent.

Sean Payton this year is 3-0 against the NFC South, his old division.

And not only is he 3-0 against the South, he's absolutely fucked them up this year. The only team that was within 14 points was the Carolina Panthers.
The Sean Payton revenge tour. The feisty Panthers.
So they have a plus 56-point differential in NFC South games. I like the Broncos.
They just replaced their field. For a third time.
Third time, three years in a row in a row brought in new grass it's Kentucky bluegrass and uh they surprised Sean Payton with it he didn't know what was going to happen he's like oh it's beautiful I got your new field I love it thank you uh the Broncos are two and a half point favorites I here's why I like the Broncos in this game the Falcons cannot rush the passer at all 30 second and pass rush tried it they don't blitz they don't they don't do anything they just don't get pat to the passer bo nicks with time lethal bo leavers i think this whole podcast are we all both bo leavers now i've been a bo leaver since week one i've gone back and forth but i'm i'm officially a bo leaver uh and the bron all you need to say. A pass blocking, yeah.
I mean, I've been scarred by Bo Nix in college, so it took me a little bit, but I'm now a Bo Lever, fully. Welcome aboard.
Yeah, I feel good about being there. Bo Lever.
I don't know what to make of the Falcons. I think the Falcons, they're the perfect team that you would put into the slot of losing a wild card weekend playoff game.
Yeah, that makes sense. I think that they're good.
I would like the Bucs to maybe get that spot because I feel like the Bucs are more. I just like Baker.
Yeah. I just love Baker.
Now, Memes is going to be watching this game like a hawk. Oh, yeah.
Like a goddamn hawk. You need the Falcons.
He needs the Falcons bad. No bigger Falcons fan than memes this weekend.
You need the Falcons bad. You need the Chargers bad too, right? And then you would be – that would make you almost all the way back.
Almost all the way back. The playoff percentages are hilarious on the playoff picture on NFL.com.
Yeah. But if you get those, if you would be,

if the Bengals,

obviously the Colts would have to lose

because you have to win,

you'd be one game back, Memes.

And we have a bye

after the Colts.

Oh, wow.

Get some people healthy.

Get healthy.

Okay, I might believe

in this too.

Yeah, there's some,

this is another game

where these teams

have never played each other.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah, Falcons.

Well, especially in... In Denver.
In Denver, yeah. It feels like the Falcons are not an altitude team.
Yeah, this is the weird matchup week. Although Young Thug can go to this game.
He can. He's allowed to.
Oh, yeah, he can. Yeah, yeah.
He should go to all their road games. Yeah, he should.
Absolutely. Okay.
Seahawks at Niners. Seahawks at Niners.
Niners. Seahawks off a bye.
The Seahawks off a bye the Seahawks we talked about the Dolphins cutting their captain the Seahawks cut their leading tackler which is a little weird linebacker Tyrell Dodson doesn't really make sense Geno Smith has never beaten Kyle Shanahan but if we're going off of like what team needs something more, the Seahawks, this does kind of feel like their season. They have to win this game.
They have to. They have to avenge the loss from earlier this year.
The 49ers are getting better on offense. So their offense, without Christian McCaffrey for most of the season, they are plus 1.4 net yards per play which is the second best offense in the nfl but their red zone is bad red zone's bad below 50 percent uh one of six teams that are below 50 percent but but that's maybe christian mcafree back is gonna help that out a lot this is why i'm not i'm not out on the on the niners at all i feel like this is this is perfectly diners to start out this slow and then they put their foot on the gas.
Yeah, the NFC West, no one's run away with it. So, yeah, the Niners are going to be in a fine spot.
I just, yeah, this is the Seahawks season. Off a bye, you got the spot, you're playing in the division.
If you can find a way to win this, your season's still alive. If you lose this, it's going to be big big trouble it does it does

not make any sense to cut your leading tackler does it uh no i don't get it it's like how much how much more would you like him to tackle yeah i don't get it that seems like a problem if you're mad that he has that many tackles it's probably a problem with the guys that play in front of him yeah cutting your leading tackler cutting your team captain weird moves yep all right last one I'm the captain now.

In the afternoon, the best one, Chiefs at Bills.

Chiefs at Bills. Chiefs at Bills.
We should start, as always, Patrick Mahomes is 12-1-1 against the spread as an underdog. That needs to be said.
That needs to be said. That needs to be said.
That needs to be said. Again, 12-1-1 as an underdog.
The Chiefs are winning games by the skin of their teeth. Are they playing with fire? I don't know because the I would say that the University of Miami, they've been playing with fire all year.
And they got burned. And they got burned.
BYU has been playing with fire. They've been playing with fire.
I don't think that the Chiefs have been playing with fire. I think they've been grinding it out.
I think they've played with fire. I don't know if they're playing with fire.
Right now. They've played with fire.
They've dabbled in fire. They've dabbled in fire.
They've lit a match. The Broncos game last week was definitely dabbling with fire.
That was definitely like a little kid lighting some grass on fire, being like, ooh, this is cool. Yeah.
Also, sometimes playing with fire just kicks ass. Yeah this is more like a fire witch like game of thrones like blood sacrifice situation that they have going on go on oh okay like wait was that the the redheaded yeah she was hot until she got old yeah i know but then she got hotter but it's like they've yeah they've they've they've done some crazy shit to get to this spot and that's might be the fire they're playing with.
But it's not. It does.
It's because Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes, and it's Andy Reid that if it were any other team, I think we'd be like, they're fraudulent because they keep getting these crazy endings. But you can't say the Chiefs are fraudulent because they've done it before, and they might just be, like you said, tough.
There's a part of me that thinks that maybe the Chiefs have intentionally not blown teams out yeah so that they can learn how to win and be comfortable winning close games that would not like andy reed when he when he dials up the weird shit in the red zone where he does like ring around the rosy he's got travis kelsey throwing like struggle passes to patrick mahomes that weird stuff like andy reed sometimes i think tries to put his team in very complicated situations to build up their mental toughness.

Yeah,

I agree.

I'm worried about,

so Keon Coleman,

I believe is out.

Dalton Kincaid is most likely out.

Amari Cooper is trying to come back.

It does feel like a lot of,

that's a lot of guys.

That's a lot of guys that the bills need to be full strength.

And again,

Patrick Holmes is an underdog.

God damn it. The one thing that makes me full strength.
And again, Patrick Mahomes is an underdog. God damn it.

The one thing that makes me bullish on the Bills here,

Sports Info Solutions has a stat.

The Chiefs Blitz the fourth most in the NFL.

Josh Allen has been the most efficient quarterback

against the Blitz this season.

But what makes me like the Bills

is that the Bills take the ball away a lot.

Yeah, that's what makes me like the Bills too.

Yeah, they take the ball away a lot and Patrick Mahomes loves throwing interceptions. He does.
Uh, did you guys see Matt Collins quote? It's the most, uh, like trying to inspire yourself for no fucking reason. Quote of all time.
He said that he does not take elevators on away trips, uh, and on game days because no one is going to carry him to success. I like that.
He's built like that. He's built like that.
Hardball. Ridiculous growth.
How are you going to show your coach how much adversity you can respond to in a stuck elevator situation? He said when they get to the hotel, the team will, like, there'll be someone from the team who will be standing by the stairs being like, Mac, this way. Yeah.
No shortcuts. Take the stairs.
I'm fine with it. We have an elevator here in this office.
We have two floors. I take it all the time.
That's probably why my great-grandfather sucked at football. Yeah.
Love the elevators. Took the elevator's success.
Okay. Yeah, I'm so excited to watch this game.
I just, I keep getting burned. Wait, what is this? Harrison Bucker's hurt? Harrison Bucker is out.
He's got a knee injury. Oh, that's actually huge.
Oh, I might be Bills now because this does feel like a field goal game. Here's what worries me a lot.
Here's what worries me a lot, Big Cat. The guy that they signed was off the Jets practice squad.
They signed a kicker.

Oh, he's going to be incredible.

That's our kicker.

We don't have a kicker on the roster.

They signed a kicker who was not good enough to make the Jets as a kicker. He was our kicker last week.

So who's your kicker now?

Anders Carlson.

Oh.

Swedish guy?

He was bad on the Packers.

He was really bad on the Packers.

But one game with the 49ers, he went 4-4, 5-5. Oh, my God.
One game. But one game.
That's about as low as you can get. A one-game sample size for a kicker? Signing the Jets' backup kicker.
Imagine how bad he was in practice for the Jets to be like, No, that's their backup kicker. No, but that...
Imagine how bad he was in practice

for the Jets to be like...

No, that's their starting kicker.

That was their starting kicker.

So he's on the practice squad right now

for the Jets.

So they move him down,

then they bring him up for game day.

Okay, now this seems like it was just done

only to piss memes off.

But hold on.

I would put the GM of the Chiefs

as a top Florio right now

because he just did this to fuck with you. And now I'm back on the Chiefs because, Hank, what is this game? The blood, whatever you said, blood.
Blood magic. Blood magic.
The Jets practice squad kicker kicking a, like, 57-yarder to beat the Bills. Of course.
It's also. And Anders Carlson missing a kick to beat the Colts.
Those two things are going to happen don't forget about that one game though yeah the one game sample size you went four for four yeah this also andy reed being like we need to learn how to win in tough situations let's take our great kicker the best kicker in the nfl and we'll sub him in for a guy that can't make a kick yeah and we'll see if we can overcome him shanking some shit into the fifth row. Just a little bit of adversity.
Yeah. Just a little bit of adversity.
Memes. You crack me up, memes.
So he was on the – he did not have a game. Oh, he was five for five in two games.
I believe it was two games. I thought it was just one, but either way, fired up.
Yeah, it was two games total. He was five for five.
Ratings bonanza in this game. Big time ratings.
Ratings bonanza. It's going to be an awesome game.
CBS is jacking off to this game. I don't know, Jim.
Ratings bonanza on mute. Okay, last game on Sunday.
Bengals at Chargers. Boys, this is a huge one for our Chargers future.
Chargers minus one and a half at home against Bengals. This is a huge one for our Chargers future.
Yeah, Joe Burrow 0-2 against the Chargers. He's only played it against Justin Herbert once.
The over-under is pretty high on this game, isn't it? Yeah. Isn't it like 48? But the Bengals just make everyone go over.
They do make everyone go over. Joe Burrow leads the league in incredible, incredible performances where he ends up losing somehow.
I love the Chargers here. I love how much Harbaugh loves Herbert.
I love that shit. So we said on Sunday that he started telling reporters that we're going to start calling Justin Herbert Beast Herbert.
Her Beast? I think it was just Beast Herbert. And then you watch the mic'd up of Harbaugh during the game, and you can see the second that he decides that he's a beast.
And then Harbaugh goes around to the entire coaching all the other players and tells them for the rest of the game he's a beast isn't he he's a beast yeah yeah he's he's a beast he loves him uh bangles 27th in pass blocking chargers six and pass rush i also just think the bangles so i was thinking about it more because i don't want to give up on the bangles but i'm also thinking about giving up on the Bengals because are we getting fooled a little bit by the Bengals playing the Ravens really close twice maybe they're just built to play against the Ravens because their other wins are against the Panthers Giants Deshaun Watson and Raiders and in our heads're like, but they basically beat the Ravens twice. So maybe they're just engineered to play the Ravens close.
Correct. Now, follow me on this.
I guess they did play the Chiefs close, too. The Chargers have a shitload of old Ravens players that they brought over.
So does that mean that the Bengals are built to also play tough against the Chargers? And they're Harbaugh. And they're Harbaugh's.
I'm excited for this game. It's a great Sunday night game because it's basically, if the Chargers win this game, they basically end the Bengals season.
The Bengals win this. They're back.
And by the rule of the Harbaugh's, no team has gone 2-0 against both the Harbaugh brothers this year yeah is T Higgins gonna play

is he ever gonna play again feels

like he's making a business expected to return

oh okay so he's back

but we don't know we're gonna find out more

probably later today tomorrow yeah

I feel like there's there's maybe a little

business decision which he should do

if you don't give a new

contract why

wouldn't you be like I'm not gonna get injured

more

on a season like I'm gonna wait till I'm

I'll talk to wait until I'm 100%, 100% healthy. That's so funny, watching the Bengals having to cross the street.
It's brutal. So, again, just to remind everybody, the Chargers are the fourth team in the last 40 years to hold opponents under 21 points in their first nine games of the season.
Only been done four times. Defense is legit, legit.
Our friend John Gruden, who's coming up, did point out that the quarterbacks they've played have not been great. That's true.
So you have to play that game in fairness. You have to play that game as well where you're like, okay, they beat up on some bad quarterbacks and Joe Burrow is a really, really, really, really good quarterback.
I don't know. This game's great.
I'm just going to enjoy it.

You know what?

I think Vegas got it right.

I like that.

I think Vegas got it right.

Hats off Vegas.

I actually don't think I'm going to bet this game because we have our Chargers future.

So we have bet this game.

This game is massive for the Chargers future.

I'm betting the under in this game.

I cashed out.

You did?

Yeah.

Do you get an option to cash out?

Yeah.

For like half.

Oh, Hank. I added more.
$35. I'm just a hardball guy.
What can I say? You didn't cash out Travis Hunter, did you? No. Oh, nice.
Okay. I can't.
Nope, you can't. Okay.
You physically can't? I don't think they let you cash out on futures. You say you won't do that to us? No.
I can't. Okay.
You physically can't? Or you won't? I don't think they let you cash out on futures. You won't do that to us.
No. I won't because I can't.
Got it. I'm not saying I wouldn't.
Got it. In theory.
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Touchdown parlay, let's hit one. I lost.
Hank, back in. Hank, back in.
I'll go J.K. Dobbins.
We'll leave it up to the night game. Let's get the first two legs.
J.K. Dobbins is minus 115 anytime.
Someone told... An AWL tweeted me after the show on Friday.
He's like, what you guys put in was doomed to fail because you had no conviction.

So let's have conviction.

PFT, you have conviction. I have

conviction. I am a 12-man jury of

one, and I'm convicting this motherfucker.

Okay. Jameer Gibbs.
Oh,

I love it. Jameer Gibbs.
I love it. I guess the Jaguars.

He's minus 150.

That's fine. We're trying to get one through the hoop.

That's fine. Hank, conviction.

Sorry, Big Cat. I am going to

go easy.

A bet that I feel like is not going to be

Thank you. That's conviction.
We're trying to get one through the hoop. No, that's fine.
That's fine. Hank, conviction.
Sorry, Big Cat.

I am going to go easy.

A bet that I feel like is not going to be hard.

They're going to score a lot of touchdowns.

I'm going Josh Jacobs.

He's minus 145 touchdowns for him. I apologize.

But let's see one through.

So what are we at?

What's this parlay up to?

Should we add a fourth?

No, let's get three. All No, let's get three.

Let's get three.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

Okay.

We got to do our picks too.

What are the standings?

We're all bad.

I'm hot.

You are?

I'm 4-0.

My last four.

But what are the standings?

I'm 500.

Me and Hank.

And you're in first?

Yep.

So we're all bad. Speak for yourself.
Number one is 500. I'm 500.
Me and Hank, 10. And you're in first? Yep.
So we're all bad.

Speak for yourself.

Number one is 500.

4-0.

Me and Hank, 10-10.

Big Cat, 9-11.

PFT, 8-12.

Max, 7-12-1.

Okay.

We are bad.

That's bad.

We're bad.

No one over 500 is bad.

It's okay to be bad.

All right.

Who's up first?

That'd be me.

I'm going to go Kansas City Chiefs. Bills over 46.
Fun over. Fun, fun, fun.
Fun in the sun. I am going to go Jameis Revenge.
Browns minus one. Shit, I wanted that.
All right. I wanted that.
I'm going to go with the Niners minus six and a half. Against the Seahawks.
Hosting the Seahawks. They won by 12 on the road without McCaffrey.

I feel like 6.5.

Doable.

All right.

I really wanted that one, Max.

You're a son of a bitch.

You did that to me last week.

It's true.

I'll take the Denver Broncos minus 2.5 against the Atlanta Falcons.

That's a good pick.

I will be taking the Baltimore Ravens at the Pittsburgh Steelers

under 48.5. A lot of hard-fought defense, field goals, not going to be letting up touchdowns easy.
48-and-a-half is a lot of points, in my humble opinion. And then I'll be taking the NFL, doesn't make any sense, game of the year, Jaguars plus 14 at the Detroit Lions.
Okay. I'll take Seahawks Niners over for me.
Ah, that was mine. Yeah, I got you back.
Yes. I'm going to go with the under in Vikings Titans.
39 and a half. That's a good pick.
That's a great pick. I love it.
I love this pick. PFT, that's a great pick.
Thank you. I love it.
I want to marry this pick. I love complimenting each other on picks when we're so bad.

But you know that's a good pick.

It's a great pick.

Yeah, it's an awesome pick.

I actually don't care if it wins.

I'm just happy with how good of a pick it is.

Everyone's had great picks so far.

I'm a process guy, not a results guy when it comes to gambling.

That's how you know I'm good.

I'm lost right now.

I'm going to go with...

I'm going to go with the bangle. No, I don't like that.
Well, I always have just one pick, and then you robbed that of me. I'm going to go.
Hank wants to kill you right now. Memes, you go.
I'll take the Texans minus seven. Okay.
That did nothing for me. I needed more of a spike.
Oh, I'm going to go Packers-Bears over 40 and a half. That's a bad pick.
I like that. That's a really bad pick.
No, that was a terrible pick. Why? Panic pick.
I mean, that could easily be a 34-3 game.

Yeah, it could, for sure.

That would be an under.

Maybe Caleb's good now.

Maybe Caleb's good.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't like that.

What's the weather like on Sunday? It's going to be nice.

I think it's going to be nice, yeah.

Balmy.

That's an over number.

That is.

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Jake Paul. Jake Paul.
I don't think it's going to happen, but I hope so badly that he gets fucking knocked on his ass and knocked out and sits down forever. Hypothetically knocked out.
Not forever, but for 10 seconds, the fight gets called. Would love to see that.
Don't think it's going to happen, though. But I really want it to.
Tyson's a bad man. He's old.
My sleeper, J-Mo Williams. Jameson Williams.
J-Mo, take a shot. Jacksonville, 32nd rink pass defense.
And they allow the most yards to pass play. Going to get a lot of points.
I love that. It's going to be a shootout.
Jags are going to win, but Jameson Williams is going to go off. He's got a little surprise in the trunk waiting for the Jaguars, if you know what I'm saying.
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I'm starting, folks, the New England Patriots, folks.

I'm starting the Patriots.

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I love New England's defense shutting down the Rams.

You can bet on a Patriot Act to be used to prevent any future McVeighs from creating explosives.

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Love it.

This week, I'm sitting C.J. Stroud.

C.J. Stroud, he's number seven in your programs.
I call this guy building seven because he collapsed the other week, even though the Jets never really hit him that bad. My sleeper is Anthony Richardson.
He's like Dr. Fauci taking so many unnecessary shots.
The people are waking up. People are waking up.
Expect a lot of false flags from New York Jets. Google operates to Northwoods.
The Jets are Lazard people. Oh, Lazard people.
What's up, guys? What's up, fuckers? It's Tony Macaroni. Hey, Tony.
What's up? Tony Macaroni. Hey, Tony.
My stardom this week is going to be the Dallas Cowboys and Cooper Rush. I don't know.
I have a feeling it's my NFL makes no sense game of the year. You like that? I like the phrase.
You like the phrase. My blood magic game of the year.
You like that? Yeah. My sit-em is.
What time is this game being played? That's Monday night. My sit-em is.
So there's no sun involved. No sun involved.
My sit-em Houston, Texas because they've had not one, not two, but possibly three players-only meetings in the last five days. I saw that.
That's way too many. It's a lot of players.
That's way too many players-only meetings. We just call that practice.
Yeah. And my sleeper is daylight savings time.
Set your clocks back this week. Everyone, it's going to suck, but you lose that hour of sleep.

Daylight savings time.

Make sure you set your clock Saturday night.

Seriously, though, make sure you set your clock Saturday night.

Very important. I forgot last week.

I know.

I know.

I know you did because you were late.

I was late.

All week.

Literally all week.

You were one hour late.

I know.

It sucked.

It was nuts.

You'd show up exactly one hour late.

Reverse Coughlin time.

Yeah.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest and our newest co-worker. It is Super Bowl champion, Coach John Gruden.
First of all, congrats and welcome to the Pirate Ship. This is a pinch me moment for myself because obviously, John Gruden, you know, you grow up watching him on the sidelines.
And obviously, Monday Night Football, the Raiders. And now you're a co-worker.
Does that now diminish your legacy that you are sitting in the room with us? Are you kidding me? I really, it's like a dream for me. I mean, you talk about a new life.
I don't know that much about anything other than sitting in a dark room. Yeah.
But being a, you know, coming down here to Chicago, seeing this portnoy getting on this show with you guys and being a part of this team is awesome i'm excited about it i know i got a long way to go and a lot to prove but with your help yeah i know i can it's your number one draft yeah it's also a genius move from your perspective as well because you like i think there's a group of fans. What was your years that you did Monday Night Football? I think it was 2009.
I did it for nine years. Yeah, so 18.
So like, you know, it's been what, six, seven years. So people forget that you are part of the best booth in broadcasting.
And now you get to, you know, you get to basically get reintroduced to the internet age like people need more gruden we're gonna give them more gruden i'm gonna do my best i tell you though this this this whole operation for the fans that haven't seen it to walk in here and see it it's it's really incredible the facility yeah uh the kind of people that you've hired, the passionate sports fans. There is no clock that you guys punch.
Everybody just kind of does their own thing. It's an amazing operation.
I'm proud to be here. I like it.
We've got a good organization going on. Yeah, it's been very funny.
PFT, you just walked in, but people have been going up to Gruden, and he's the introduction to everyone in their interesting like weird ticks and everything because Jerry immediately said are you wearing Creed so he spotted Gruden's cologne. Big T went up to him and was like I have to ask you right now how close were you taking the Tennessee job Mincy has tried to hire him to the Saints he's just getting like you're just getting to everyone.
Oh wait till you meet Frank the Tank yeah the tank yeah frank we gotta get you on a stream with frank yeah yeah and then we got a big game tonight that's that's what i'm most excited about you know the commanders heading into philly so it'll be an awesome night i'm fired up yeah so so big t did ask me to ask you that on the record uh because he's a giant volunteers fan uh he only wears tennessee orange oh only a power tee. He wanted to know how close you were to actually signing that because there was a rumor.
Remember, you had your picture taken in a Hooters, I think in Knoxville, Tennessee, and the internet went wild. They were like, okay, Gruden's in a Hooters.
He's going to be our coach. I thought John Gruden might just love Hooters that much that he's just casually stopping in for an ice-cold beer.
No, I do love Hooters. I did love Hooters when Hooters was in their heyday, but my wife cheered at Tennessee.
I love Tennessee. I was a graduate coach there, and I did talk to the athletic director.
I don't look up to anybody more than I look up to Peyton Manning and Kenny Chesney. Those are two of my favorite Tennessee guys.
I was very interested interested in doing it, but at that time I was having so much fun on Monday Night Football with Mike Tirico, I couldn't take any other job. Yeah.
You did have that stretch where it was like every year, it was like, well, Gruden's open. That had to feel good.
It was every single year it felt like they'd be like, well, there's an opening, Gruden. Well, they fire so many coaches now, Big Cat.
I mean, every year, six or seven of your best friends get fired. And, yeah, but to be in the thought process is always exciting.
And, hell, Tennessee was one that is really close to my heart. I almost did consider pulling the trigger there.
Yeah, you're talking about how coaches, they get fired all the time. We're in that season where we start to speculate about what openings are going to be ready to go next season.
Do you think that the NFL moves on from coaches too quickly sometimes? I do. I remember as a young coach, when I was coaching the Raiders in 1998, I went to the owners meetings.
And every owner and every head coach was in there. I was 34 years old.
I look over there and there's marty schottenheimer over there's mike shanahan and mike holmgren then you see joe gibbs bill cower and it just seemed every team tom coughlin of the jaguars tony dungy tampa every team had a coach that was there for a period of years dan reeves with the falcons and now they change coaches every year or two and they change offense and defensive coordinators like they change shirts and I think that has a lot to do with the lack of quarterback consistency and development over time yeah what about uh what about offensive coordinators so if you're said if you're a defensive head coach and you're setting up your staff you want to get the best offense coordinator that you can obviously but then there's also the danger that if he performs too well at his job he's going to be hired as a head coach next season then you have to go and find somebody else to fill that guy's shoes like is that a double-edged sword where it's like he's the best guy for my team right now but I also have to have a roster of guys that I'm ready to elevate that's a great point great point that is a. You know, that's why the model that I learned growing up was with the 49ers.
Bill Walsh called the plays, was the head coach. Mike Holmgren, who I worked for, was the head coach, called the plays.
So if you lose your coordinator, you're able to call the plays yourself. But when you're a defensive coach, and as you said, if you hire a hotshot coordinator, he's probably going to be gone.
You better have somebody in your operation that has learned the system, that can teach the system, and keep your system alive if that guy leaves. Yeah, yeah.
This is a weird question, but I'm going to ask a weird question. Did Mark Davis ever say, like, hey, I really like your haircut? No, I said I like your haircut.
You should go Mark Davis. You know what? I get my $15, I get it dry, and I let it fly, should go mark davis you know what i get my 15 dollars i get it dry and i let it fly and i move on you know he's wearing a hat and sunglasses you know but no my hairstyle is um it's not really well thought through i mean mark davis has you do you ever think about it like hey he might give me a couple extra million dollars if i just start going bowl Yeah, he might yeah i don't know it's just i never looked at it quite like that but um i have been criticized for my hair several times did i ask you if you ever went to a pf changs with him i have you have tell us everything we these are we want to go to a pf change well in oakland there's a beautiful pf chang so not in oakland it's uh it's a fancy part of town i can't remember what it was called but there's not a normal pf changs it's like the killer pf changs it's like the pf chang is on steroids okay yeah md walks in he sits up there he's got the same seat and he they know exactly what he wants so he doesn't even order they just bring it well they pretty much know what he wants he absolutely is dialed in at pf changs i mean it's unbelievable yeah we it's really a hell of a place yeah i learned to love it myself yeah he drive you there in the van no i think i met him there yeah the van is another that's a bucket list item for us yeah when we found out he drove that van but yeah we the pf changs like we apparently goes there every day you know the bucks play the raiders december 8th in tamp.
Maybe you guys should come down. Maybe MD will be there.
There is a nice P.F. Changs in Tampa, perhaps.
We did get a verbal yes. We kind of accosted him at the Super Bowl when we saw him in the lobby in Vegas.
We were like, hey, come on the show. And he's like, okay.
But I don't think it really stuck. I think we could do it.
Maybe we do a double dip. Maybe we go to P.F.
pf chang's and hooters oh so i did a bad job last time we had you on the show because we talked about your fired football coaches association is that the correct name for ffca the synthetic football team that you've built in a tampa strip mall i didn't know that you guys were essentially located in the headquarters of Hooters? Well, at one time we

were. Now I'm not.
I have my own standalone building. I've graduated to higher levels.
But when Hooters came around, my dad was coaching for the Bucs. I needed a summer job and Hooters just showed up.
This is like 1986. And I got a job at the original Hooters in Clearwater, Florida.
I was a wing shaker, oyster shucker, beer keg changer.

Best job I ever had.

Then I moved on to hillsborough hooters the number two hooters i was a backup college quarterback at dayton and i remember getting on the plane going to training camp crying i didn't want to leave hooters man i just want to work at hooters my dad said get your That's on a plane love hooters yeah we're shucking that's no joke that's a that's a tough job they give you the glove you can cut yourself it is tough i mean it's hard labor yeah but it probably makes back in the day when hooters was rolling there wasn't a better place for me yeah uh talking about the nfl this year who in your mind is running the most innovative offensive stuff? Obviously, everyone knows Ben Johnson. He's talked about a lot.
But who's maybe an under the radar guy? You're like, what he's doing is is some stuff that people are going to start copying a couple of years down the line, because that's really what the NFL ends up being is copycat league. Yeah, that's that's something I've been looking for.
I'm always I have two servers in my office and i make cut-ups i'm looking for new concepts to teach and use if i ever do coach or when players and coaches come in what's going on what are people doing in the red zone third down short yardage i was interested in grubs the guy that went to seattle yeah early in the year were shredding people, and I still think they do

some really cool things offensively in Seattle. I do like Ben Johnson because I recognize the

offense. I like what Cliff Kingsbury has done with Washington.
And when you have a guy like

Daniels, you can call any play you want, but their usage of those backs, they use two at a time,

McNichols, Eckler, Robinson, it doesn't matter. Rodriguez comes in, and they do an excellent job with the ball distribution.
I like teams that use the tight end, Zach Ertz. They got a go-to receiver, McLaurin.
They can run the ball. They can do a lot.
So I can't wait for tonight's game because I want to see Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator of Washington, against Vic Fangio, the D coordinator of Philly, who's done a hell of a job. Yeah, Vic Fangio can coach defense.
And their defense has gotten a lot better over the course of the year, too. So I don't know.
I've heard a lot of people say that it's getting more comfortable with the system, especially the quarterbacks and the safeties, understanding what Vic Fangio is trying to do. Can you explain to us what that means, how a team can finally understand the concepts of the system and feel comfortable with it? You know what I think, too, is, well, Vic Fangio is a great teacher, and he hired, I think, a very good defensive staff.
And when you go watch teams practice, you can see the coaches that are better developing players and teaching their system than maybe others. Fangio has a lot of young players on this defense.
They're emerging. I mean, Nolan Smith, nobody realizes he's starting the kid, the linebacker, N'Kobe Dean, he's playing his butt off.
Zach Bond is one of the best kept secrets in the league. He was an on the ball linebacker for the Saints.
I don't ever remember him playing inside linebacker, a rookie corner, Mitchell. A rookie nickel guy, Cooper DeGene.
A lot of young guys that are really kicking ass in this system. I think a lot of it has to do with the simplicity of it.
It's not over the, not a ton of blitzes and 96 different coverages. But I also think he teaches effort.
You know, he teaches guys how to tackle, taking proper angles. They're very detailed.
They're very disciplined. And there are no exceptions.
Fangio is a hell of a coach, and he's hired really good coaches to help him. Yeah, and from the offensive coordinator side, we talked a little bit about Kingsbury, but I want to talk about Ben Johnson for a minute.
So Ben Johnson, he was like the top number one hottest name head coach last offseason,

decided to go back to Detroit.

He's probably going to get even more money on the open market if he chooses to take a

head coaching job this year.

But what is it that Ben Johnson does that's so innovative?

You know, he does a lot pre-snap.

What I love about Detroit is they win in the pre-snap, meaning they'll change the tight end, they'll change the receiver, they'll motion two or three times before the ball is snapped, and they'll let Jared Goff pick a play. They're using the pre-snap to recognize your defense.
I call it RCE. You recognize the defense, and when you know what defense they're in, now you communicate a play to beat that defense, and that's what leads to great levels of execution.
I call it RCE. Now, they're blessed.
They have an excellent offensive line. They got a one-two punch in the backfield that's unbelievable.
Those two cats are great. They got a great slot receiver who's a total badass the way he plays in blocks.
I mean, you watch this guy play. He's like a Tommy Hearns.
He's like aggler type guy yeah you'll get in the ring and kick your ass now and with jamison williams they got the guy that can turbo it over the top and golf other than last week hasn't been good he's been great yeah he has he's been like perfect uh so the jets i got a question about the jets there was a report this week that Jeff Ulbrich, the interim head coach,

went back to the fundamentals of tackling this week.

They put the pads back on.

He even gave a demonstration of tackling to start the practice.

We already know the Jets are in disarray,

but what does that say when you have to do a fundamental of tackling?

Did you ever do that as a coach halfway through the season? like hey we got to learn how to tackle again well we try to emphasize tackling and when you have a poor tackling game or a poor tackling month you want to emphasize tackling I'm surprised he came out and said that yeah because your players you know they got a lot of pride in tackling but theets do have problems. And I had always said that their defense wasn't part of the problem.
But I know Ulbrich is in charge of the defense. He expects a lot from the defense, and they didn't give it to him last week in Arizona.
So I can understand his frustration. Yeah, it's been interesting up there.
It feels like they didn't really have much of a plan going into the season, or at least a for how to fix things so have you ever been on a team that started out slow and you know the media is saying coaches lost the locker room they're going to move on maybe in season firing for coach gruden and have you ever turned a team like that around and if you have how did you how did you take things from you know the brink of collapse to making everybody buy back in well i was a coach 15 years 15 years, so I've been a part of everything. My hands are dirty.
We've gone from first to worst, and there's a short way from the penthouse to the outhouse. But in this league right now, with the ability to change your team and free agency and the draft and your coaching staff, you can flip it in a year.
So we've gone from last to first in the NFC South. You got to have mental toughness.
And I think you have to have a real bond in which how you handle the media and what you're saying in public. You know, there's just too much out there right now.
When the fire starts in your kitchen if you start releasing all these statements it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and it becomes an inferno you can't stop yeah but there's negativity in chicago yeah that's what's happening it's it's just a horrible thing yeah so i was always one of those guys that i was always trying to stir the emotions try to i try to piss you off one day make you laugh make, make you cry, fire you up. I just think you've got to keep everybody together, and it's us against the world.
I think the great teams, the teams that come out of it, are the teams that love the misery. And we used to talk about that.
Don't you love that we're 0-2? We're all beat up. We're tired.
We're a 10-point underdog. We've got to go on the road our dog just shit in our yard certain teams love the opportunity to showcase how they can come out of it and certain teams don't yeah yeah I mean you you said it the the cracks after the uh commanders hail mary like it just it was a report from five different guys doing media and it all looked bad was finger-pointing.
So if you were to coach the Bears, I want you to stay here at Barstool, but if you want to coach the Bears, we could maybe get that worked out as well. If you were to coach the Bears, what would be the first thing you do to try to put Caleb Williams back on path? Because it feels like we're off the path right now.
It feels like we're off the road, and it's starting to kind of careen to a bad spot. What would be the first thing that you would tell him, tell your team, tell your offense? What would be the first, like, hey, these are the fundamentals we've got to do? Well, it's getting late to do that.
Yeah. We're at the 10-week point of the season.
I'm saying more for next year. I think the big thing you do is you have a private meeting with the guys you deem as your leaders, the defensive leadership, the offensive leadership, the eight or nine Chicago Bears, that you're really saying this is the heart and soul of our football team.
And we're going to get behind this quarterback, and we've got to spread that news downstairs and publicly. But we've got to make this guy a great player.
He is going to be a hell of a player unless we screw it up.

Right.

Let's be honest with you.

You've had a lot of guys come through here, but this guy's a unique talent.

And right now he needs support, man,

and he needs it the most from his coach and the blue chip leaders that we have

on the team.

Now, I don't know what kind of leadership they have on this bear football team.

Yeah.

Briskers hurt.

They got a bunch of guys from different teams, DJ Moore keenan allen everybody's the number one receiver swift is a new player i think they're all searching for an identity but we better figure it out this is our guy right here yeah and we got to get him to hand the ball off the swift play good defense win a couple ugly games the weather's getting shitty yeah but you got to get excited about Caleb Williams and keep putting your arm around this guy and challenging him and helping him get through it what do you see on the tape it's bad there's too much of him you know there's 40 times he's carried the ball yeah there's 40 times he's been sacked I just encourage him you know to get rid of the ball sometimes the best play you can make is throwing the ball away because that's the only good play you could make. I think he's waiting for receivers to get open, and I think it's hurting him.
A lot of the sacks are on the quarterback holding the ball. You can't blame the offensive line for all these sacks.
No, I agree. I agree.
It feels like a mental lock that's going on right now where it's a combination of guys not getting open, but even when even when they are open he's not letting it rip I think they got to get them three for three to start the game a quick pass I'm not talking about quick screens either yeah I'm thinking there are different routes we can run other than if I see one more quick screen you hate screens I well I can't take them I hate them too I hate I hate I like uh running back screens receiver screens. When you throw a bubble screen or a quick screen,

I mean, how many times do you see Jerry Rice run a bubble screen?

You never saw Willie Galt run a bubble screen.

You got these three core vets.

I mean, Keenan Allen was a number one guy for the Chargers.

DJ Moore is paid to be a number one guy.

You draft a guy in the top ten because you obviously think he's a number one guy.

Now let him run some routes and tell the quarterback to throw him the ball

I'll see you next time. to be a number one guy.
You draft a guy in the top 10 because you obviously think he's a number one guy. Now let him run some routes and tell the quarterback to throw him the ball or get rid of the ball, but quit taking sacks.
I've got absolutely no data to back this up, but I feel like 99% of the time they run a quick screen to a wide receiver, tackled for a loss of a yard. I feel like defensive backs have become too good at defending that screen pass where maybe now it doesn't have that same same element of surprise that it used to.
Yeah, there's a couple guys that I would feel comfortable in the entire NFL being like, yeah, that's Khalil Shakir. He can run a quick screen.
Rashid Shahid. Rashid Shahid.
He can run a quick screen. Cool names.
It feels like sometimes offensive coordinators are like, oh, we haven't run a wide receiver screen in a while. Let's just do it to do it.

And it's like, what the fuck?

Yeah.

Why?

Like, they just always get guys are just, and you have to also,

you can't run them if your wide receivers aren't committed to blocking.

That's the thing that drives me nuts is when you run a quick screen and the wide receiver's not blocking.

And then you run a fake quick screen and you act like you're blocking

and you take off.

You know, the playbook has become what you see on Friday night football in high school.

You start to see on Saturday.

Everybody's clapping their hands, running RPOs.

And now you're starting to see that on Sunday.

That's why it's a pleasure to watch the Lions.

It's a pleasure to watch the Chiefs.

You know, some of these offenses that are really doing it the old fashioned National Football League way.

I think those are the teams you're going to be talking about here in December.

Yeah, it is. You know, some of these offenses that are really doing it the old-fashioned National Football League way,

I think those are the teams you're going to be talking about here in December.

Yeah, and talking about the Chiefs, they just keep winning.

They won't stop winning no matter what position they're in.

They're never dead.

They figure out ways to win games, which I think is a mark of one, just a really good football team,

but mostly really, really, really good coaching that makes you pay attention to all those details.

And I feel like with Hopkins, who is actually, I thought that he was like 35 years old. I looked up, he's 32, I think.
So he's still got some years. And with Hopkins, I feel like the Chiefs are in as good a position to win the Super Bowl as they've ever been right now, given what they have.
What do you see that the Chiefs are doing? Like, how have they evolved on offense in the post Tyreek Hill era? You know, I did get to go there for about a week in training camp. Andy Reid invited me up there, and you're right, man.
They got a great coaching staff. I mean, Dave Tobe, the special teams coach, Spagnolo, they get all the ink because they're the coordinators.
I'm talking about the position coaches. Their drills, their team periods, their competitiveness on the practice field, their organization's phenomenal.
They're winning games in their preparation. Fans don't see them on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
They have a contingency plan. If they lose this player, we're going to play like this.
If we lose this player, we'll play like this. If the left tackle isn't quite ready, we'll do this.
But they do have a well-orchestrated contingrated contingency plan I think they're only getting stronger Pacheco's coming back on the practice field Juju Smith Schuster's back the last time he played he had over 100 yards against the Saints and they're going to get a Menehue a very good pass rusher back so I think they're going to get stronger and stronger but you know what they do is they just you with their preparation, their contingency planning for if it doesn't go the way they want, and their mental toughness. They got a great coach.
They got a great quarterback and a great kicker, and their defense is on fire. Yeah, they are.
I mean, it doesn't matter how you win. It doesn't matter how many you win by.
You just keep winning. And Mahomes feels like that guy where every Chiefs game kind of goes the same where it's like their offense looks a little clunky, and then there's a third and eight, and he'll find a way to get it.
Yeah, the thing that's really startling is how quick he's throwing the ball. You don't see him throw the ball over 20 yards in a game sometimes.
And here's Pat Mahomes. I had him on Gruden's QB camp.
He can throw better left-handed than I can right-handed. I mean, this guy's a magician.
I mean, he can really wing it. But you don't see seam patterns, go balls, deep breaking routes.
Everything has been quick. But they are converting 52% on third down, which is way better than everybody else statistically.
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So Gruden QB camp, which you got to bring it back. Maybe that's part of what happens with Barstool here.
Was there ever a guy who you walked away from, you're sitting doing film, and you're like, I don't think that guy's got it. And then he went and ended up being a great pro.
You know, I did 63 shows. Yeah.
So we had a lot of quarterbacks come down the pikes, you know. No, not really.
You know, there were a few guys that came in and said, damn, I like that guy. Who were those? Well, I mean, I love Russell Wilson.
He came in out of NC State. We made fun of his size.
Well, Wisconsin. He came out of Wisconsin.
Well, yeah, Wisconsin. But I was smitten with him.
Matter of fact, I got to talk to Pete Carroll during the draft process and they had just signed Tavares Jackson. They had Flynn.
Yeah. And he asked me about Russell Wilson.
I said, if you take this kid and I said, if you bring them into your team and give him a chance, he'll beat both those guys out. And that's just what he did.
The other guy I love was Kirk Cousins. Yeah.
And I still stay in touch with Kirk Cousins. Yeah.
And they drafted RG the first round i remember telling bruce allen i said this guy's going this guy's this guy's the sun bits now yeah be careful and you look where he is yeah he's had a great career great career fantastic career got paid a lot of money too he really has and and when i when i watch him play there's not many guys that stand in there and take shots and deliver strikes like cousins iins. I mean, I love that about him.
Always have. I remember in Gruden's QB camp, was it Jimmy Clawson you got pissed off at? Yeah, probably.
Yeah. I think you said there was a route that his receiver ran that was incorrect, and he told you that, and you're like, you can't fucking tell me that.
It's your fault. Take accountability.
So as a coach, sometimes receivers screw up, right? They mess up. Everybody messes up.
And an interception might not necessarily be on a quarterback, but you always want to see your quarterback say, hey, that's my fault. I didn't do a good enough job communicating what you should have done.
Is that fair? It is fair. I think the quarterback has to be bulletproof, at least the ones that are great that I've been around.
Now, in privacy, the coach and the quarterback, they address those issues. But, you know, you've got to coach body language, I think.
I've got to coach Dan on his body language. Yeah, I'm not bad.
Well, I'm down right now. He's getting mad at me because I'm very doom and gloom.
You don't want to see your quarterback, you know, pointing fingers and blaming guys. I don't think it's healthy.
So you got to control your emotions. You got to be an assassin, man.
You got to really have a very thick mental toughness about you. And some do and some don't.
Yeah, yeah. So going back to your time in Green Bay when you were coaching Brett Favre, one of the best arms of all time.
Just incredible. Took of chances did you how how was that coaching him when he would go off script and take some of these chances throw these interceptions and you're like what the fuck are you doing brett but you knew that you know ultimately the good was going to outweigh the bad with him i was coaching receivers i didn't coach farve okay i can i can i was the signal guy back then we didn't have the walkie-talkie i would signal to jet dino why shallow cross and he had to memorize the formations he struggled with that but i can still remember mike holmgren the head coach when farve was scrambling he'd be saying no no yes great job brett and then he'd be saying no no what the hell to your point the first couple years a lot of growing pains but Favre he had a triple x pouch man this guy had this guy had he had big balls man yeah at least he was afraid of nobody he was as tough as hell and he had a rocket and he tried to prove it in every drill every period he tried to wow you yeah and uh he broke a lot of our receivers hands face masks he had a rocket are you we had this uh debate not debate but i pointed out that i i like my quarterbacks to throw a couple interceptions i want i like i don't like when a quarterback gets late in the season it's like oh they have no interceptions that means're not taking the risks.
Is that a crazy thought to have? Are there some interceptions that you're like, you know what, we can live with that because you're trying to make the big play, and if you keep trying to make the big play, it will happen. I love this conversation.
I hope you're having fun. You know what, when you're coaching aggressiveness with your offense, you've got a guy like Favre and and you got Sterling Sharp out there running routes.
There's an understanding and trust. Hey, I'm the receiver coach.
If you throw the ball, if he throws the ball to us and it's tight, he's giving you a chance. Right.
So there's only three things that are going to happen, Big Cat. You're going to be a savage and you're going to go catch the damn ball.
That's why we're paying you too. Secondly, you're going to make damn sure he doesn't get it you're going to play defensive back and make sure it's incomplete or third you're going to be like a academy award winner you're going to get me that pass interference yeah yeah but i think you got to have a real careful understanding and i think that's what the bears problem is a little bit is do you trust that keenan out do you not trust keenan allen right throw him the ball when it's tight he's gonna catch it he's gonna make sure it's not intercepted and he's gonna get a couple fouls yeah that's that's russell wilson russell wilson going to that stealers offense you've seen it with george pickens he's going to give his guys a chance and like like yeah there might be some interceptions but now his guys are more locked in and they know they can go get those jump balls those moon balls and their offenses look totally different and when you watch Kansas City early in the season they threw a bomb to Worthy their fast receiver from Texas and I know you remember the play yeah Cam Taylor Britt of the Bengals makes a one-handed interception and everybody's like oh what a great interception you know what you know what they were saying in kansas city they're pissed at worthy because what didn't he do go attack the ball you don't let anybody intercept it and i think that's one of the reasons kansas city's a little bit reluctant to give him a ton of 50 50 opportunities yeah they used to do that with the sean jackson yeah but d jack he would go up there and he would tip it away from somebody and i just think these are little behind the scene things that young quarterbacks they got to have confidence in their receivers yeah they will make you right one way or another yeah what about what's going on in in los angeles with the chargers because we love coach harbaugh he's one of our favorite people he that man, his blood type is football.
That's all he thinks about. He loves Justin Herbert.
Justin Herbert's been looking pretty good. And the defense is playing at just an otherworldly clip right now.
What has Harbaugh done to that team to remake them and to reimagine the Chargers over the span of one year? Well, he's come in there and given them confidence. I think he's walked in there and they've changed the whole dynamic of how they practice they never ran the ball in charger land I mean I don't know what the rushing stats were last year but you could go two or three games and not see 10 or 15 carries this is now a smash mouth running team forget about Herbert for a second you don't know who their receivers are I mean their leading receiver is McConkie a slot receiver yeah they really aren't a pass first team and they're not a pass second team they are running the ball possessing the ball and trusting their defense he just has brought a lot of confidence and physicality to their team and defensively 13.1 points per game Big Cat and I were talking earlier though they have not beaten many quality quarterbacks.
This will be a good test for them. Yeah, he went down the list of quarterbacks, and it was not.
It was Gardner Minshew. It was Justin Fields.
It wasn't lighting the world on fire. Did you ever do a postgame handshake with Coach Harbaugh? I don't think so.
I think I was in the booth when he was in the nfl i just competed against his brother but uh you love coaches that compete i think that permeates into the locker room if your coach is fiery and he's competitive and banging on your shoulder pads and taking snaps in pre-game warm-up he loves football he loves to compete he's a badass and i thinkgers, in some way, are emulating their coach. Yeah, it's culture.
Yeah, it sure is. You need that culture.
You have guys want to go take someone's head off. I agree.
Yeah, that's what the Chargers feel like. They're just a tough football team.
But you do also still believe in the Bengals and maybe making a run here. I just believe in the quarterback, Big I mean watching that game last week that was the best single game played this year by a quarterback in my opinion and I think second best might have been his other game against might have been yeah might have been um he's running around more than you think he's not just your typical pocket passer he's getting out of trouble he's He's running for first downs, and he can see the whole field.
He's got great peripheral vision, and he has no wasted motion when he throws the ball. I really am impressed with him.
Yeah, so you think that the Bengals might be – you may have buried the Bengals prematurely? I think the Bengals, if their defense gets going a little bit, and with the return of Higgins, I think they can be a problem.

I do know this, though.

They miss Joe Mixon.

They miss Joe Mixon's receiving skills, I think,

in some of these checkdowns I'm used to seeing Mixon come out of the trash.

Yeah.

Another team you mentioned that I think is going a little under the radar,

but they have been playing great football, is the Arizona Cardinals.

What are they doing?

Because I thought they were going to be an okay team. I didn't think they were going to be sitting at great football as the Arizona Cardinals.
What are they doing? Because I thought

they were going to be an okay team. I didn't think they were going to be

sitting at the top of the NFC West

in November, but they're

a legit team, and it feels like

they have everything clicking. I know.

I hate their uniforms.

There's something about it. It's either red on red,

and I just, ugh.

But they get Harrison, the receiver from

Ohio State. Connor's

a good back. I can't even tell you who their

other running back is, but he is a

Thank you. I just, ugh.
Yeah. But they get Harrison, the receiver from Ohio State.
Connor's a good back.

I can't even tell you who their other running back is, but he is a beast.

Yeah.

McBride is a hell of a tight end.

And Kyler Murray's playing great.

You talk about quick.

And their defense, they have my favorite player, Buda Baker.

Jonathan Gannon's done a nice job with the defense. He stayed in his in his wheelhouse and offensively they're a problem because they're balanced and um they've already beaten the san francisco 49ers in san francisco they're dangerous yeah i love watching james connor run with the football too he's so upright very crazy but he gets shit done yeah i can't even tell you who the backup running back is.
I can just tell you this. On the flight down here, I said, I better find out more about this guy.
Because he's a load also. I always assume it's just, what's his name? DeMarcado.
Yeah, that's right. Oh, you got Trey Benson as well.
Yeah. It's not Trey Benson.
It's DeMarcado? Yeah, DeMarcado. Or DJ Dallas dallas oh it's demarcato yeah what how much uh how many hours of tape do you watch a week probably too much early in the week you know when you get the tape you know they got the fedex guy he knocks on the door it's like tuesday morning or monday night you're like hey there's a tape and i'm my assistant jeff leonardo wait they send tape? You don't just have it on your computer?

Well, I don't want to get into all that.

I pay a lot of money to get my tape.

Okay, got it, got it, got it.

Actually, you know what?

I know.

Now I understand. You got the tape.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, when I do get the tapes, I get so excited.

I actually have a notepad, and I'll write down, like I'll go over the stats.

Who had double-digit tackles? Who had interceptions interceptions who got the sacks who had the explosive plays you know who did this who did that and I would I'll start making reels to see how they did it right and it's an obsession and then when I was doing my little YouTube channel Gruden Loves Football I always pick three or four games a week and I really tried to dig in on those two teams and learn all their players and some of the key matchups I just love it man I love it I can tell you I love that you get tape FedEx to your your place of business on Tuesday mornings does your does your wife ever like hey can you like stop watching so much tape my wife when I got when I got fired by Tampa I had an office at my house and i had my little projector and back then we had the beta tapes and i'd have coaches coming in the office at 6 a.m my wife would come downstairs in her pajamas she didn't go for this you gotta get out of here get all your stuff so i bought a building i rented a building yeah eventually i bought a building and when you guys come down yeah come down, you guys will freaking like it. I'm pumped to see that.
So when you're watching tape, I know you get excited about guys. I've seen you get really excited watching football.
Do you still get mad? Do you get mad watching a football team if they're guys on the team? So what's the last team that made you mad? Well, to be honest with you, the Bears made me mad. know i i just have high expectations for the kind of roster they have i mean skill wise and i'm not just talking about the coaching or the the coordinator or the play calling the players are not making me happy i saw a guy run an out route sit down while the play is going on yeah that kind of rubbed me the wrong way very bad The the jets have made me upset you know i i you know i put my i put put a lot of stock in this quarterback rogers i think he's one of the best i've ever seen play you know he had an injury last year he's coming back their protection hasn't been good their running game hadn't been good their body language is horrific i get upset yeah uh we we do this with every guest that we have first time we have them in the studio it's uh questions from a third grader so this is from a third grade class in dripping springs texas and this is amy this is amy she's in third grade she wants to know uh coach gruden what's your favorite color amy i love purple purple the color of royalty yeah good answer uh coach Gruden what did you want to be when you grew up I wanted to be a coach my dad was a coach so I've been around coaching my whole life and I knew I wasn't going to be a good enough player so uh I said man maybe one day I can be a coach I like that and then uh her third question, it's not really a question.
Amy says, Coach Gruden, I agree. Roger Goodell is an anti-football pussy.
So Amy knows ball. Amy.
Amy. Tell me where I can get a new haircut.
Good job, Amy. Yeah, Amy's a, listen, she's a big fan.
So thanks, Amy I love you. Thanks for listening.
Yeah. All right, so give me the list of teams right now that can win the Super Bowl.
We have our list. I want to see how it matches up.
How many teams? I think we have, what, five, six? Give me five. Let's run through it.
We have the Eagles. We had the Lions.
The NFC. We had the Bills, the Chiefs, the Ravens.
And depending on how the Steelers play this weekend, maybe the Steelers get put in that group. Well, you can't make that list.
I was at the Bucs 49er game last week, and with McCaffrey back and Juwan Jennings back, I was telling Big Cat, they're going to be a hard offense to stop. Because Mason, the backup running back, hell, he's leading the league in rushing down there.
So you got – and Purdy is a lot better quarterback when you see him live. This guy is strong.
He's loose. He's gutty, man.
Gritty. Love him.
And I think their defense, although they're missing some key guys. I don't know if their safety, Hufanga's coming back or not, but if he comes back, I love the 49ers.
49ers added to the list. Did we miss any other teams? They might have the best fullback, too.
We talked about Arizona. Yeah, Arizona.
You know, somebody's going to come out of the West. Yeah.
Somebody's going to come out of the West, and someone's going to win that division and get a home playoff game. Yep.
Who's it going to be? Yeah. Who's it going to be? It's going to be Arizona, in my opinion, but I really think it's going to be the 49ers.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. And you think the Bills – what do the Bills have to do to get over that hump i think the bills need milano back i think they need to get healthy on defense the big thing with the bills is von miller are you really von miller you know if von miller and rousseau and the fourth quarter pass rush ed oliver if they can get that fourth quarter pass rush humming that's what bothered me against the Dolphins two weeks ago is I thought that pass rush would just eat up Tua and it didn't happen I think they got to get that pass rush revved up and they could be they could seriously be a problem if they do yeah yeah uh okay I have one last question uh this has been great coach we're so excited that you're here with us.
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Last question. We know it's football number one.
What other sports are you watching? Because I heard a rumor that you watch all the sports. Yeah, I love sports.
I love the Cincinnati Reds when I was growing up, so I love baseball baseball matter of fact i'm going to arizona to see tony la russa we're having a wounded warrior service dog event love baseball and i i do love basketball i was bobby knight's yeah uh ball boy i just don't like the three-point shot i think it's too much okay i like way too much three points and i like golf oh i do like golf i got the caddy for john daly one time yeah that's incredible so tell that story real quick because i remember when it happened there was a rain delay right yeah and so you're hanging out john daly goes over the hooters tent i was up at the hooter owls nest they call it i was just having some beers i was coaching tampa relaxing lightning bolt they suspend play so daly comes up with this caddy and this rain delay goes on and on and on it gets cold and it's wet it appears like the tournament's over so the caddy had a couple cocktails i guess he was off i had a daly's bib on i was wearing his bib we were meeting fans taking pictures and the tournament director came back and he says mr d. Daly, you got 15 minutes to get in position.
We're going to play four or five more holes before it gets dark. So we go up and hit balls, and Daly looks at me and he says, well, you're wearing the bib.
Let's go. So I carried his bag, and I had been in this hooter owl nest drinking a few beers.
I had to pee like a rhinoceros. I got and there's like 14 diet cokes in there an umbrella thing weighed 100 pounds and we're on like the 16th only did it for three holes i'm like the 16th hole i the caddies pee on the course i don't know are there bathrooms out here so i had to go pee and then we come up on the 17th hole where the Owls Nest was that's one of the holes we played and all my friends had stayed around everybody was gone there was no fans left and the fans started going caddy caddy i said i'm gonna get ripped for this and sure enough on the golf channel they destroyed me for not having any etiquette and not having any well how'd you do with the club selection how did how did johnaly shoot in those last holes? I can't remember.
I was nervous, but I did not get near the green. I just stayed over there by the bag.
I didn't try to go up there and read putts or anything like that. That was a great experience.
I love John Daly. That's awesome.
The owl's nest. Yeah.
We're going to go to the owl's nest. I've got to spend some time in the owl's nest.
All right. Well, Coach, we're excited for everything we've got coming up with you and Barstool.
People are going to listen to this on Friday, but the stream tonight is... I don't think you're ready, just so you know, and this could look stupid in retrospect.
I don't think you're ready. PFT is a diehard Commanders fan, but he's a respectable football watcher.
The mutant we have in that booth, Max.

Yeah, I've heard about Max.

Yeah.

He is going to shock you with some of this stuff,

and you're probably going to see his ass crack.

He has a problem with his ass crack.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of that in Philadelphia.

Yeah, but he might cry.

He might scream.

He's Italian.

He's fiery.

He might spit on you accidentally.

He might spit on you. Yeah, you might have to wear a poncho.
Max, control yourself, Max. Don't peak too early, man.
We got plenty of time before kickoff. I'll be good before kickoff, but once the whistle starts, I got no problem.
There's no guarantee. The ass crack is confirmed 100%.
You will see my ass crack. He said he's good for now, but once the whistle blows, he's ready to go.
You got a score prediction? Even though this is coming out tomorrow, so you might look stupid with your prediction, but what do you have? I'm going with the Philadelphia Eagles, 27-20. I love it.
I love it. Everyone, everyone.
Clean sweep. Everyone has predicted the Eagles.
No, Hank. Hank doesn't count.
Hank has the command. Hank doesn't count.
Hank does not count. All right.
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Okay, let's wrap up.

Fire Fest of the week.

Henry.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is one that's probably TMI.

It's just actively going on in my head, so I'll share it on this podcast with you guys in the world.

I feel like I know the answer that it's a sign that i'm going through somewhat of a midlife crisis i have been spending a lot of time thinking about because i bought my car that i have now it's in perfectly fine condition i have been spending a lot of time thinking about selling it the audi and. And then leasing a really nice car.
Yeah, like really nice. Yeah.
And I also, again, like this is I'm 31 years old. I probably should have figured out at this point in my life.
I've never been really good with, I have good credit, but I've never had a credit card that gets really good points or rewards and miles and stuff, which I want. That's something I want to do.
So it's like, why not open a line of credit with good points, pay the lease off with that and have a nice car. So the midlife crisis, you think this car will fix it? That's kind of, that's where I've been like, why do I want to do this? Fuck.
I think you're having a midlife crisis. Fuck.
But like, I do think you're having a midlife crisis. I do kind of, but like, what kind of car? Do you also think it might if it here's that's it won't why i asked the question was if you think if you think it will fix it you should do it if you think it will just be like shit i got the car and i still can't find happiness in my heart then we got other issues you just got this car i i i preface this by saying i understand the situation are you gonna sell to memes no it's i'm i sell it to someone else that works here, though.
You know what, Hank? I think you should do it. Yeah, why not? Is it going to make you happy? Yeah.
Okay, well, I will take even like 1% less grumpy Hank. Is it? But I want you to be happy.
I haven't been grumpy lately. I want you.
Have you been grumpy lately? I don't think so. I feel like I've been good.
You should have said I think so, yeah. The only time Hank is truly happy, not counting on the golf course, is when he is pissing somebody else off.
False, but that's fine. That's fine.
I don't think you've been that grumpy recently. I do think you're going through a midlife crisis.
The problem with the car purchase, which I'm fully supportive of because I want you to be happy, is that if you buy it and then you're still going through the midlife crisis, what's next? Right. Whereas if you just don't buy it, you could always be like, oh, well, maybe the car would have fixed it.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer.
I probably am not going to do anything about it. I don't probably.
That's why I said I didn't even need to share it. But it's the only fire fest that's stewing in my brain of like, why am I even thinking about this? There's no reason for me to even be going down this road.
But I've spent, I'm researching. I'm going to test drive some stuff this weekend.
Oh, hell yeah. Test driving is so much fun.
What are you looking at? You're done then. If you test drive, you'm going to Test drive some stuff this weekend Oh hell yeah test driving is so much fun What are you looking at? You're done then If you test drive you're gonna It's done What are you gonna look at Hank? Well I don't want to spoil it Also a lease does not make financial sense Oh Beamer Look at you I heard a different brand From who? I heard a Lambo People were saying a Lambo People were talking People were saying Steve Will Do It's gonna give you a Lambo iron Hanks doing a Porsche Cybertruck who said Porsche Cayenne Porsche uh Hank I don't think this is gonna solve anything but I'm supportive yeah of course not gonna solve anything but it could be fun like cuz I drive a nice car but it doesn't I don't even think about it you know I mean? It's not like I'm happy every time I drive a nice car, not a sick car.
Okay, all right. Oh, wow.
Oh, wow. Wait a minute.
I got to get a new lease. Yeah.
Damn. Why? What makes a...
Damn. All right.
All right. Fine.
Now I'm going to get a better car. We're going to have a car off.
Hank, what if you took all this energy that you've got going into looking at new cars and you put that into fixing up a van? I've also been, I mean, that's in the works. We're looking good with that.
Are we? I've also just like, I didn't end up nuking all my clothes. I got rid of like 75% of my clothes.
I'm completely redesigning like my office room and just getting rid of a bunch of shit. So it's an overall situation that's happening where I'm just like, get rid of everything, get new stuff, feel better.
I don't know. We'll see.
So what else would go in this midlife crisis? Tattoos? You thinking about getting more tattoos? No. No.
Different apartment? No. I'm still confused about this car.
What kind of Beamer is this? If it's that much better than Big Cat's car? I don't think you understand how cars work. It's sicker.
It's just if you put them next to each other, it's like, yeah, that's a nice car. That's a sick car.
Or if you got like a Subaru. What the fuck? What kind of car is it? Well, I also, I mean, I do have.
I'm shopping around. I do have three car seats in my car.
So that lowers the sickness factor of it. What if you got like a Subaru WRX? Just like a fast fucking car.
No, that'd be bad. Racing car.
Get a Lambo. I don't like Lambos.
Nah, I think you go Porsche Cayenne. All right.
Well, we'll see. I'm probably going to do nothing.
Like I said, this is probably like I sometimes am like, why did I say it on a podcast that so many people listen to when I'm probably going to do nothing? No, you're going to do it. You're test driving cars.
You got to... Are you going to multiple dealerships? No.
Oh, because I was going to say the best part about getting a new car and test driving cars is you go like... Is my leasing thought correct? That's probably where people are going to make you a fucking idiot.
Well, it's kind of... Leasing makes's kind of financial it's kind of a waste of money but you get you get sick cars yeah but it doesn't wait wait what do you mean you get credit you build up your credit but it's stupid wait are you talking about like credit card points are you talking like building your credit score both both have making payments you know that if you finance a car you also i paid for my car in cash but you could also buy a car and finance it and that would also yeah but what if this is a midlife crisis in like a year i want a different that's the that's what i say i lease a car but it's i know it's stupid financially but i like to be like i could have a new option in two and a half years yeah yeah do that hank if you if you buy a car can you can you have do the negotiation? I'm not going to buy a car.
Well, what I was saying is, Hank, you need to go to a couple dealerships. You need to go to a place where you know you're probably not going to buy it just so you can negotiate.
Because it's so awesome negotiating at a car dealership knowing that you're probably not going to buy that car unless they just go crazy low. Yeah.
I love negotiating. Yeah.
It is my favorite thing in the world. You just walk out.
You just fuck with them. We'll see.
I needed you. Yeah, listen.
You got fucked. You got fucked.
I will provide that service as a former car salesman. It's my favorite thing in the world to go in there and then just ask them for all the Cokes they have.
I i gotta get me on the actual car get me another son i don't i would at whenever i've only bought a new car like me twice but uh whenever i've done it i've had like my options like it's like one through five and the fifth one i'll go and i'll be like if they offer me this deal i'll do it and it's a crazy deal and it's the best yeah when i got my car the guy the guy kept telling he kept telling me the warranty and he kept and i kept being like no like i'm just gonna get the lowest one and they just kept asking me why yeah why aren't you getting the the higher one yeah i had no good answer so eventually i was like yeah give me the higher yeah yeah that's how they get you the finance he asked me five times why don't you want why don't you want this warranty yes and i had no answer you got to secure your own financing have that ready to go when you walk in because they'll fuck you i didn't do that either they'll fuck you over then they take you in that second place on the actual and then the guy keeps walking back and forth to his manager let me see if i can do that let me see if i can do that it's a great process yeah it's a lot of fun all right pft your firefest uh my good luck thank you my fire fest of the week is that stay tuned for nothing uh mike tyson put me into an existential crisis what's going on in this podcast have you guys seen the interview with mike tyson and the uh the little girl no can we pull it up and we can watch it here so ahead of the fight mike tyson's doing press they had a child reporter interview mike t and he gave her answers that are definitely not meant for for like a child but he also made me think a lot about like what is life okay in a very dark way okay goddamn career what type of legacy would you like to leave behind when it's all said and done well I don't know I don't believe the word legacy. I just think that's another word for ego.
Legacy doesn't mean nothing. That's just some word everybody grabbed onto.
Someone said that word and everyone grabbed onto words, and now it's used every five seconds. It means absolutely nothing to me.
I'm just passing through. I'm going to die, and it's going to be over.
Who cares about legacy after that? What a big ego. I'm going to die.
I want people to think that I'm this. I'm great.
No, we're nothing. We're just dead.
We're dust. We're absolutely nothing.
Our legacy is nothing. Well, thank you so much for sharing that.
That is something that I have not heard before. Someone say that as an answer.
Can you really imagine somebody saying, I want my legacy to be this way when I... You're dead.
Why do you want... Do you think somebody really wants to think about you? What's your dad say? I think, I want people to think about me when I'm gone.
Who the fuck cares about me when I'm gone? My kids, maybe. Or grandkids.
Who the fuck cares? Oh, incredible. That's such a good class.
It actually does make me think that Mike Tyson might be able to do it.

He's in a dark, no fucks given place right now.

He's just talking to a kid about death.

Yeah, she's like, well, I've never heard that perspective before.

I mean, credit to the interviewer.

She did a great job rolling with it.

Shout out IamJazzy'sWorldTV on TikTok.

Love that. Yeah, but that tells me Mike Tyson is locked in right IamJazzy'sWorldTV on TikTok.
Love that.

Yeah, but that tells me Mike Tyson is locked in right now.

Yeah, he's all the way back.

Okay, my fire fest is, I think there's a word for it, karma.

Everyone in my house has been waking up at 5.45 in the morning

since something happened two weeks ago.

What happened two weeks ago? We two weeks ago we changed the clocks oh yeah stella all three of my kids every fucking morning i've been getting up so goddamn early so i deserve that why don't you get blackout curtains i do i have dude we have everything everything. There's nothing.
I changed the fucking lights. I changed what time the thing goes off.
We changed the thing going off in my son's room. It's until 6.30.
He still came in at 6.30 this morning and said, hey, my light changed. Can I play? And I said, yeah.
And then he goes back, and then I don't go back to sleep. Can somebody explain to me why we changed the clocks? Well, I'll let you know when we do it on Saturday night.
Okay. Yeah.
Everyone keeps saying one of the world wars. The 5 o'clock pitch darkness shit is so depressing.
It is depressing. The worst.
When you go to work in the dark, and then you leave, and it's dark outside. Well, no, you go to work in the light.
Yeah, but sometimes, depending on how early you get up. I've had jobs where I went to work when it was dark, and then you step out, and it's still dark.
But I'd rather go to work in the light yeah but sometimes depending how early you get up i've had jobs where i went to work when it was dark and then you step out and it's still but i'd rather go to work in the dark and be uh have it be light when i get out of work yeah that'd be a lot better but yeah i'm living in hell we're just we have not adjusted in my house we're i'm living in arizona or that little part of indiana we just haven't changed it there's no no good reason why we do this stop it it. Okay.
Max, you got something? Just that next week is going to be an absolute disaster. Oh, why? It's not like you're pitching against...
Beep. A really good team.
Someone say the best. I think we should post a picture after with the team.
We pitched it so people get hyped up. Yeah, the PMTV this week was my bullpen that I did yesterday to get ready for it.
How fast do you think my fastest pitch was? 60. 64.
Oh, boy, that's going to be a lot of home runs. How fast do you think batting practice is usually? About 60.
About exactly what you throw. Well, good news is you do have four outfielders, so that's a little bit of an advantage.
Yeah, they're great athletes out there. The bad news is the four outfielders are me, Brandon, Hank, and Jerry.
So you have three outfielders. Well, I don't know.
Three. Brandon's gotten in better shape, but Brandon also could easily...
The sun better not be out

that day. Brandon doesn't do well outside.

Yeah.

Where do you want us positioned?

Me and Hank in center?

Yeah, I guess.

Center right and center left?

Yeah, yeah. And then the

Jerry and... Jerry.

And PFT's catching. Jerry played baseball.
Yeah, Jerry played baseball. That's good.
That's good to know. I didn't know that.
The catching thing, Max. It sucks.
I'm not... I don't have a big frame for you to aim for.
I apologize for that. That's fine.
I'm going to try to wear the biggest equipment I possibly can. In our bullpen session that we had yesterday, I noticed you got a little bit of movement on your pitch.
That's all I'm trying. And Max tried to say that he was going to have four pitches, like a two-seamer and a four-seamer.

Like, what do you think the difference between your two-seamer and your four-seam fastball is?

Love that.

Movement, okay.

I'm only throwing the—I'm never throwing the four-seamer.

There's no point.

Okay, and then you said that you've got a curveball?

Yep.

How do we feel about that?

It's a curveball.

Does it curve? It does, but it's not good that uh it's a curveball does it curve it does but it's not good is it a hanging curveball yeah yes how how high does it hang it depends where i throw it hernandez curveball and then i got a palm ball yeah a palm ball you guys wrote ephys yeah i know i don't really understand an ephys i think this would work throw it really slow i tried no you throw it high and slow i also can mix in a little submarine okay okay how what are the chances you throw out your arm a hundred percent yeah like we need it we actually i've we need a pitch count we need a we need a pitch count yeah it's six outs when you say submarine the meatball sub are you talking about throwing it hard underhand or like softball style how mad how mad are you gonna be if we drop an easy one so mad you're gonna do it on purpose no i won't i know i won't i'm gonna no i don't want i want to look good that's true so i'm not it would be a shame if hank did No, Hank would look good, too. Max did bounce one.

Maybe I'll have to do it.

He bounced one into my leg.

I have a feeling.

Jerry would be the one to do it.

I have a feeling I'm going to get in the balls a few times, Max.

You got to wear a cup.

Yeah, I got to wear a cup. And also, it sucks, BFT, because it's also scary about foul balls.

Yeah.

And my umpire is, I already, he was umping my bullpen.

He was giving me nothing. Yeah, Big T.
Big T is, he is an honest man to a fault. Oh, no.
All right. Well, it'll be fun for the AWL.
What about comebackers? Are we worried about that? Yeah, that was very scary. You should look alive.
Because going into it last year, I was told that there might be that screen that was in front of me. And then we said, no, fuck it.
That's going it was a constant fear of mine. You can do the screen You can do the screen if you want.
I personally didn't. I would rather We got to stop comparing with Just wear a helmet.
I thought about that. Yeah because like a comebacker like hitting you in the like ass would be very funny.
A comebacker hitting you in the head would not be funny. I need one of those softball helmets.
Also, you know what? No, I'm not gonna put bad vibes out there. What? If a comeback or if a comeback or hit you and you have to go to the hospital, we're still going to come back to Chicago at the allotted time.
This is this guy. I'm thrilled that that's your biggest worry right now.
No, it's actually not a worry. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, no, no. The first thing that goes in your head is, oh, will we make a bet? Ah, fuck it.
I'll just. Yeah, no, it's not a worry.
Can we set the precedent? No, but it popped into your head because that was a worry, and then you were like, oh, never mind. I just won't.
No, the worry was I didn't want to say it out loud. No.
Because I didn't want you. No, but it popped into your head because that was a worry, and then you were like, oh, never mind.
No, the worry was I didn't want to say it out loud. No, but it popped into your head.
Yeah, it popped in my head. Can we look into getting fanatics to do the pants for Max? Get the see-through going on? You're going to be fine.
If you want to do the screen, I would do the screen, so I will not call you a pussy. Yeah, I'm probably going to do the screen.
Yeah, do the screen. The good news is, Max, if you're throwing 60 miles an hour, they're probably not going to hit straightaway shots.
They're going to pull the shit out of all of you. Yeah, they also can hit it wherever they want.
That's not... Yeah, 60 miles an hour, they absolutely can.
They absolutely can. They're going to be able to put it wherever they want.
And hopefully none go in and then out of my glove. Can I give you some advice, Max? Yes.
Read up on balks. I know.
The balks will get you. I mean, I know what...
I'm not a good baseball player. I know the game of baseball.
Alright, numbers. We got Jack.
That's what's bullshit. I should be able to get in the box.

Is Jack doing a number?

Yeah, give Jack a number.

Shout out Jack.

Jack is our new, he's part of our team.

24.

Clips guy, the 24.

Jack, why are you laughing?

Oh, someone else?

No, you were just giving him an intro. Yeah, he's 24.

Give me the number.

Jack is a Lions fan.

Detroit sports all across the board.

Yeah, but mostly Michigan football.

Michigan football.

Yeah, that was after the Commanders Bears game, and I was spiraling,

and Jack was laughing.

I was like, who the fuck do you root for?

And he's like, Lions.

I was like, no, fuck you.

But Jack, welcome Jack.

Good luck, Jack.

21. Three.
Jack. 3.

99.

11.

You got to reset.

Oh, shit.

Wait, is that 40 that's up there?

48 is up there.

It would have been 44.

It would have been 44.

It would have been 44.

It would have been 44.

That actually is the next one I want to do because I want to say 4-4. 5, 17, 3, 9, 11, 21, 24, 76.
76ers. 76ers.
Have the 76ers won another game? No, they haven't. But Jerry McCain's really good.

He is.

I actually bet him over 30 points last night.

That was awesome.

He was awesome.

Love you guys.