Coach Ron Rivera In Studio, The Bengals May Be Dead, Week 10 Picks And Preview + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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On today's part of my take, we have NFL Week 10 picks and preview.

We also have Coach Ron Rivera in studio.

Awesome time with him.

He told us some great stories, including Riverboat Ron, how that came to be, little John Madden wrinkle in it. We are going to do Fyre Fest of the Week.
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The crown is yours. Today is Friday, November 8th, and the Bengals might be dead.
Also, Max is on the couch. By decree of Pug.
Max is on the couch. President Pug said that Max should be on the couch, so Max is on the couch.
I'm just going to do bad things here so I can go back to the booth. Oh, is it threatening us? What are you going to do? Look at your phone and not listen to us? Real bad things? Maybe I'll just interrupt and be disrespectful.
Max became, you got scared when you sat down in this couch. I don't like looking at you.
There's something about you. You look weird.
I'm uncomfortable. Your dog, it'll bark when there's a fence up, and then they open the gate.
You need a pillow in front of your stomach.

I do need a pillow in front of my stomach.

Yeah, grab that one right there.

There you go.

Talk about Thursday Night Football.

All right, Thursday Night Football was incredible.

The Bengals, Jamar Chase kills the Ravens, and holy shit, he had a night.

What did he end up with, 250?

264.

He had 11 receptions, 264, three touchdowns.

Three touchdowns.

With a long of 70 yards. And how do you think that Mike Brown feels about this game? Because he's like, this is awesome.
I'm so glad that our team is competitive. Goddamn Jamar Chase is good draft pick by me.
But then he's like, shit, I also have to pay the guy. And we lost.
Yeah. And we lost.
And that's the story because the Bengals it was basically a repeat of uh the first time these two teams played where you watch this game and and the Bengals were up 21-7 and half or uh right after the half and you're like oh man the Ravens look bad they look like just kind of discombobulated they couldn't get any drives going and then boom Marlon Humphreys with a great strip, and that changed everything because then the Ravens scored, and then they scored again, and it was just the game was on. And the Ravens are – you can't make mistakes against the Ravens.
Like the Bengals, again, this is another – Joe Burrow has played perfect against the Ravens, and they have no wins to show for it this year. Yeah, so game one against the Ravens, they lost 41-38.
Tonight they lost 35-34. That's where it's like when another team has your number.
Yeah. Like you played almost to the best of your abilities as a team.
And what's crazy is I'm walking away from this Bengals game, and I'm thinking the Bengals are one of the best teams in the AFC. Yeah.
And they're probably not going to make the playoffs. No, they might not make the playoffs.
And, yeah, Joe Burrow against the Ravens this year has 800 yards and nine touchdowns in one pick. And you can't make mistakes against the Ravens.
That's just how they are. I mean, I still – the Ravens defense, obviously, Kyle Hamilton going down was very big because you could feel that, especially with Jamar Chase's.
That was incredible where the Bengals go up 28-21, and then it was like, oh, or no, yeah, that was the play, right? That was a 70-yard touchdown pass? The 70-yard touchdown pass to Wallace was. No, no, no, no, I'm saying the Bengals.
Yeah, the Ravens went up 28-21. They get the two-point conversion, and it was one play 70 yards to Jamar Chase.
You're like, yeah, the Bengals, they're the best team. Jamar Chase is the best player ever.
He gets faster after he catches the ball. He doesn't even look that fast.
I know, but he glides, and he just glides through everybody. And he takes perfect angles, good understanding of geometry.
That's what they've always said about Jamar Chase. Yeah, what a night for the Bengals' offense, and they just didn't have enough to stop the Ravens.
And it really was that fumble. Because of that fumble, the game's 21-7 there, and you just felt like the Ravens were like fans were booing guys were yelling stuff it felt like the ravens were kind of lost and that fumble sparked everything and then they scored uh three three unanswered touchdowns and you know end up winning on the last play which by the way there was probably some holding also that's that's why you kick the extra point there and you take it to overtime on On the road, you don't want to make mistakes.
You're putting a lot of weight on one play. We've always said that against a superior team.
A game no one thought that you were going to win at halftime. You take the point there.
Why are you getting cute with Zach Taylor? Yeah, if you were watching us on stream in the gambling cave, we were rooting for an extra point because of gambling. But now that we're out of the gambling cave uh that was the correct call to go for two yeah 100 you gotta go for two there there was a little too much time left with the ravens having two like i i thought the ravens were gonna win no matter what even if the the bengals had gotten that two-point conversion there was two timeouts and like 25 seconds left that was lamar jackson going to just go down the field.
Yeah, Lamar finds a way there.

Justin Tucker.

Yeah, washed.

It feels like the Ravens might be destined to get into a close playoff game against,

I don't know, the Kansas City Chiefs and to get outkicked.

I hope that's not the case, but there's something up with Justin Tucker.

There's definitely something up with Justin Tucker. The helmets and the uniforms, I appreciate the homage to Color Rush, the Thursday night tradition that we used to have in this country when we were a proper country.
Yeah. That being said, Big Cat, I know that you feel a certain type of way about the Ravens' black uniforms at night.
I agree. That's their night uniform.
It was just good that the Ravens won this game because if they had lost this game you could have just pointed to the fact that you handed the game over by not wearing your black uniforms at night yeah that would that would have been it right there but yeah the the purple is a little little candy yes i do like that they tried something different i would rather them just go with the black uniforms at night because those are unstoppable max what were your thoughts about the game i had nothing okay yep they're they're having a great time i know it's right now i could hear me through the soundproof booth i don't think i've seen that was i don't think i've seen hank smile this no long time next give me your breakdown i got horrible i got horrible podcast i got nothing i shouldn't be here don't like looking at you. You're intimidated.
So intimidated. I'm not ready for the bright lights.
You're not ready for the bright lights. Pug, do you think this works? Should we keep him in here for Fyre Fest? No.
I don't know. We're going to kick him out for weekend preview.
Kick me out. No, don't listen to Hank.
I think we need a little longer to test it out so we can confirm. All right, so we're going to kick you out for weekend preview because kick me out no don't listen to hank i think we need a little longer

to test it out all right so confirm all right so we're gonna kick you out for weekend preview and then uh when we do fire fest you'll be back on the couch that's fair uh max just participate in the podcast for one second did you like the football game tonight football football football Football

Alright so

Realistically

I need to be kicked out

I should be kicked out

I thought it was a great game. Great Thursday night football game.
Offensive explosion. Fun to watch.
You love sports when you're in that booth. Yeah.
I fucking love sports. Okay, so looking at the schedule, the Bengals have to win.
They can lose maybe one one more guy i don't even know if they can lose one more game i don't know if they lose one more game they're very close to being eliminated because that would be nine and seven would be the best or no sorry they could lose one more game because 10 and 7 maybe 10. 10-7.
So here's what their schedule is.

At the Chargers, not an easy game.

Harbaugh Bowl.

Steelers at home.

Cowboys.

Dak will still be out because he's on IR, right?

Titans, Browns, Broncos, Steelers.

You're talking about the Bengals schedule, right?

The Bengals schedule. Yeah.

Not the Harbaugh Bowl.

Oh, sorry. Not the Harbaugh Bowl.
You're right. They play later.
I was confused. I thought the Harbaugh Bowl was later.
They do have the opportunity to... Let's see.
They lost to one Harbaugh. Yeah.
So that means that they might... They'll win.
They're going to beat the other Harbaugh. They'll beat the other Harbaugh.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
So I think they could... I'm never going to give up on the Bengals.
I don't know. It's a sickness at this point.
I'm not going to give up on Joe Burrow. We've done the look ahead at their schedule.
I think every single week. I think we started doing it after they beat the Panthers in week four.
This was the game, though, that we circled. It's like, you win this game, you're back to 500.
Now you have some wiggle room. Now you can realistically lose two games, finish 10-7, get in the playoffs.

Yeah, they can take one more loss on the season.

And listen, I think they could do it.

If they can beat the Chargers, I think they could do it.

It's crazy to say.

I think they might be able to do it.

Two games against the Steelers.

Cowboys is a win.ans should be a win browns broncos at home those should be wins so it's basically comes down to two games against the steelers and a game against the chargers can you go two and one in those games also cooper rush though can you go two and one in those games and the ravens now um i mean they're yeah mean, they're just really good. I didn't understand Jerry was saying that he was wanting the Bengals to lose so they would just get out of the picture.
I understood what he was saying. Because if you're a fan of a team that has a bitter rival, like Pittsburgh does with Baltimore, I know that Cincinnati's been in that equation recently, but he would much rather focus all of his energy as a fan on one team to hate as opposed to spreading out to two teams to concentrate.
I'd rather take the two-game lead. That's a lot of people for Jerry to have to wish injury on.
There's two teams that he has to be concerned about. I'd rather take the two-game lead because the Bengals were never going to be a threat to win the AFC North.
They were going to be a threat to get in a wild card. The Ravens are now 7-3.
Yep. You know, it's not that that's going to be a fight in the AFC North.
I think the Steelers and Ravens still have to play two times. I would have felt the same way, but Jerry, he's a different bird, so he wants to be able to just focus on one enemy.
It's going to be, man. Is it crazy that I'm, like, already so excited for the playoffs because I'm just looking at the afc playoffs and it's just that that chiefs bills ravens not even talking about the steelers and texts like man i think good team i think we're just amped up from a good football game yeah i take this as a as a harbinger of things to come for this weekend when thursday night kicks off and it's an awesome game, you know that Sunday's going to bring it.
Yeah, set the tone. Okay, Max, any last thoughts? The Eagles beat the shit out of the Bengals.
Oh, okay. That's my thoughts.
That's good. All right, let's kick it to ourselves.
We're going to have Hank come back on the couch for the weekend preview, and then we have Ron Rivera, and then we'll do FireF Fest with Max back on the couch. Generally taste the same, but not One Bars.
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I know. We all know what that entails, but I just don't.
I like to live in denial. Week 10.
Let's start. We're going back abroad.
Giants at Panthers in Germany. Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.

So are we going to boycott this game or not?

Because if you're mad at the NFL for anything,

you can say that you're going to boycott the games.

It's been going back since, like, 2010 that people have been like,

oh, I don't like this happened.

I'm going to boycott.

This is the actual time when you could possibly boycott a game.

Yes.

Where you could have the lowest ratings of all time in any football game. Yeah.
i'm gonna keep an eye on it i think here's my plan i'm gonna wake up and i'm gonna turn it on and then i'm going to stay in bed and then just kind of let whatever happens happens okay if i that sounds like you're gonna watch it i'm probably gonna watch it yeah i'm gonna keep an eye on it i'm gonna be with my kids so i'll probably you know have the phone in my hand watch it it's going to be bad I actually think the Giants are going to watch it. Yeah.
I'm going to keep an eye on it. I'm going to be with my kids, so I'll probably have the phone in my hand, watch it.
It's going to be bad. I actually think the Giants are going to win.
Do you know the Giants are leading the league in sacks? 35. Yeah, their defensive line, very good.
Yeah. Here's a crazy stat about the Giants.
They're favored in this game. Yeah.
That's crazy. That's a crazy stat because they haven't been favored since week two of last season.
Yeah, 24 straight games. 24 straight games where they've been underdogs.
And week two last season, they beat the Cardinals 31-28 as four-and-a-half point road favorites. It's crazy.
Yeah, wild ride for the Giants. Chubba Hubbard just got re-signed.
Good for him. The Giants are also the best international team.
They're 3-0 all time. So I like the Giants in this game just because I'm going to bet it because it's going to be on and their defense is actually good and that's really the only thing you can point to.
I mean, Daniel Jones, maybe he's going to run more? Maybe he'll get more than one yard passing yeah in the first half uh i think he's gonna run and i also think he could pass in this game too because the the panthers pass defense absolutely stinks they get no pass rush whatsoever uh if you're gonna get a good game out of daniel jones it's gonna be this one yeah did you know so so we had the idea of the tuper bowl uh last week is obviously two win teams, so we'll figure out maybe this is like a play-in game for the Tuber Bowl. Did you know that they used to play a third and fourth gate place game in the NFL? Yeah.
It's awesome. Called the Playoff Bowl, also known as the Burt Bell Benefit Bowl.
I love that. And the Lions are the best team ever in the Burt Bell benefit bowl.
They were 3-0 all time. And apparently Vince Lombardi hated it so much, he used it as motivation to get to the Super Bowl, being like, you don't want to have to fucking go play in this game.
You want to play in the loser's game. No.
But I wish they had been bringing this back. Like, the AFC and NFC championship game, week before, just play a third place game.
I mean, that would make the Pro Bowl look like look like playoff speed yeah the third and fourth place teams that definitely don't want to be there and it also would just be like we get a definitive answer you were how close were you to winning a super bowl right you could probably say if one team beats the other team by a significant margin in the Burt with the Burt Bud Burt Bell benefit bowl the Burt Bell benefit bowl yeah uh if one blows the other one out, then you could see those results and be like, well, we would have beaten that team. So really, the NFC Championship game was the Super Bowl.
Yeah. It also is partially responsible for the Dolphins becoming a franchise because they used to play in Miami.
So they're like, hey, we should get a team here. Kind of cool.
Yeah. Yeah.
The Burt Bell Benefit Bowl. Burt Bell was the fifth NFL commissioner, if anyone's wondering.
Oh. I was.
I was wondering. He introduced competitive parity into the NFL to improve the league's commercial viability and promote its popularity.
That sounds like just some mumbo-jumbo to throw on a resume. Yeah.
Marketing, they came up with that. He introduced competitive parity means, hey, these games should be better.
Yeah. I would not like.
The best players, yeah, stop letting the teams just draft players from their region so we can make some of these teams better. Would you want to have a third-place game named after you? No.
I don't think I would. Definitely not.
But it is a good name, Burt Bell. And yeah, Lombardi used to call it the shit bowl.
A loser's bowl for losers. Okay, so what they should actually do, though, is they should do the last team, the team that's slated at number one in the draft, against the team that's slated at number two in the draft, and have them play, and then the winner of that would get the number one overall draft pick.
I agree with that. That would be very fun.
But yeah, the Burt Bell benefit bowl. Okay, let's do the regular slate.
Start with Bills at Colts. We don't know.
Keon Coleman might be banged up. Amari Cooper obviously missed last week.
He might miss again. The Colts didn't reach the red zone last week against the Vikings.
That's not good. Not good.
I weirdly think this might be a good spot for the colts so i was thinking about jonathan taylor because the last time they played uh i think taylor had 185 yards and five touchdowns now you look at the quarterback and they're going to go with flacco they're going to stick with flacco um under flacco Taylor has has 29 rushes for 106 yards yeah 3.6 yards per carry yep under richardson he's got 76 rushes for 396 yards 5.2 yards per carry which makes sense it does he's he's a much much more efficient run yeah anthony richardson opens opens everything up you got to be worried about him running as well so what they have to do is they have to get Flacco on the move early. Yeah.
Do like a little RPO with Flacco and just make the defense think that maybe Joe Flacco is going to run at some point during the game, and then Jonathan Taylor will be much better. I like the Colts in this game simply because when you make the switch to Joe Flacco, you're essentially saying we have to make the playoffs this year.
Yeah. Because you wouldn't make it otherwise.
So you're like, hey, we're making the switch. We're going to try to get to the playoffs this year.
This is a must win for the Colts. Also kind of a weird spot for the Bills and the fact they just played the Dolphins at home.
They essentially wrapped up the AFC East and they have the Chiefs on deck. So I don't think the Colts are better than the Bills, but I just, I don't know.
Plus four feels like a game. Maybe the Colts.
Maybe Hungry Dog. Have you decided on the Hungry Dog? I haven't decided, but I was not thinking.
Colts. Colts.
Although, if Anthony Richardson plays. Oh, you want Anthony Richardson.
That boosts it up. Yeah.
Okay. So, I think that the Colts are going to be able to run the ball.
I mean, not be able to get the red zone. It's bad.
It's a bad, bad stat to have from a game. You don't even get close to really scoring a touchdown or even like a good look at the end zone.
And to your Drake Maypoint from earlier in the year, it's like just play him. If you have him, play him.
I agree. Well, they're trying to make the playoffs.
But you can't even get in the red zone. I know.
So play your future. The thing about the Colts is if they are trying to get to the playoffs, they're like the perfectly average team in the nfl i think that they can beat any bad team i think that they can they can compete against good teams too they can lose by one score to most teams in the nfl uh but they're like the position you have yourself in with joe flacco starting is you're going to just sell out to make the playoffs as potentially the last seed in the playoffs and probably lose in the first round.
Which will make your draft pick so much worse than if you had just played Anthony Richardson. Yeah, it makes no sense.
Yeah, what's the best case scenario for Flacco? The only thing that would have made sense is if they traded Anthony Richardson. Yeah.
Because then it would be like, yeah, we're done and we're fully done. From my friends at Sports Info solutions if uh the colts do go too high trying to limit josh allen's passing the bills are the best running team against too high and the colts are the worst defensively in that formation so maybe some james cookovers okay just something to think about just putting a little nugget in your head i also had this one uh jordan phillips on the bills this week said he's an acquired taste and they like how i taste talking about the bills okay so the what do you got what do you guys think you taste like uh no comment i don't think i taste good no i can't grease how much pineapple have i had that day Cheetos, maybe some Cheetos.
Yeah, I'm salty. Yeah.
Salty and sweet.

Mm-hmm.

But that's a very funny quote to say, I'm an acquired taste and they like how I taste. So how long has he been on the Bills? Does that mean that they hated him? I think he's just an acquired taste.
He's just someone who, you know, it takes a while to get used to this type of taste. And he's been on the Bills this year.
Just this year. So since they like how he tastes.
Actually, was he traded this year? He was traded this year. That's where the acquired comes from.
He's got the acquired taste. They literally acquired him.
Yeah, they acquired the taste. Oh, no, he's been on the Bills multiple times.
I'm sorry. He's been on the Bills three different times.
So they must just keep wanting to come back for the taste. They keep acquiring him over and over again.
He's gone Dolphins, Bills, Cardinals, Bills, Giants, Cowboys, Bills. Yeah, he's like Malort.
They can't stop thinking about the taste of Jordan Phillips. Yeah, well, they get a taste of him, and then they're like, I'm never tasting this again.
The aftertaste. I'm never drinking again.
Yeah. And then a year later, they're like, I might as well take one more shot yeah he was released uh right before the trade deadline and the bills picked him back up so yeah they

just keep coming back for more taste so uh what are we gonna do about the tickets this weekend

bills at colts we got two colts tickets what about colts fans first person sent a video of them

throwing somebody through a table or getting thrown through a table or pit just find a find

a pit somewhere pit find a pit what about just a colts pit. What about just a Colts fan? If we have maybe a Colts fan who also is a Josh Allen fan? How they would prove that? I don't know.
Maybe if they have a Josh Allen jersey. A Colts fan with a horse.
A Colts fan with a horse? Oh. I like that.
I like that. Or just really a picture of you riding a horse ah what about a colts fan with a buffalo yeah if there's any out there that gets number one backup is going to be colts fan with a horse yeah you'll get two tickets to the game uh okay uh next game hank patriots at bears i think the bears could lose this game i don't want that to happen.
I'm going to bet this will not be in the Hunger Dog. I'm going to place a large...
Wait, you control the... I know what I'm saying.
You're going to bet that it's not in the Hunger Dog. You decide the Hunger Dog.
No, it's not. I said it's not going to be in the Hunger Dog, period.
I'm going to bet big Patriots plus six. Okay, okay.
Because then I think the patriots can keep it close cover that but i i don't want i like i hope the bears show up and i'm i'm wrong about them quitting uh the dj more fallout has been weird even more he came he did a he did an interview and was like yeah i got injured on that play still a lot of smoke there yeah they were asking about losing the locker room and he was kind of non-committal about that he said he doesn't want to say that yeah which means that he wants to say yeah he does he wants to say it uh bears getting a little bit healthier on the offensive line i think montez sweat will be back i think uh gordon will be back i i don't know i just they gotta win this game by three touchdowns for me to feel anything three touchdowns for me to feel like excited because next week is packers and the onslaught of the nfc north so i know what's coming they have to look so good that i have no choice but to say the bears are back and i feel really good about the rest of the season on the flip side is there what percentage hope or like desire is there for the Patriots to win by like three touchdowns and he reflux is gone they've never fired a coach mid-season so what if I thought they were if I thought there was a chance they would fire him it would be a nice consolation prize after a loss.

Aren't there rumblings, though?

There's rumblings, but there's been rumblings in the street.

But there's been rumblings before, and it just doesn't –

they're cheap.

Are the rumblings in the room with you right now?

Because I feel like the rumblings –

I'm in the streets.

No, I mean, I just –

I've heard the rumblings.

People in the streets, like I'll be driving down the street,

and people stop my car and say, hey.

I think they're from people that talk into a microphone for a living. He's saying they him fired he's saying the rumblings are coming out of my mouth yeah which they are but they're also not because he's not going to get fired mid-season but that would be the smart thing if they lost this game it would be smart for the bears to move on from matt eberflus and then get a jump start on whoever's going to be next which that will be a disaster in its own right i'm guessing it's not possible to hire a coach who's under contract for another team in the middle of the season.
Mike Vrabel? Mike Vrabel. He's out there.
Listen, he's a consultant. Mike Vrabel is an independent contractor right now.
I would love the Bears to hire Mike Vrabel. I don't think they'd hire Mike Vrabel.
I don't think they'll ever hire an alpha who is bigger than the organization ever since Dicca. It't happen they're just gonna find hire someone meek and uh shefter has just been on an assault train uh he said that ben johnson is if he's like if there's eight interview openings ben johnson will not talk to all eight whoever he talks to is someone he's expecting to take the job essentially saying he's not going to go to the bears okay so i know why you would think that but i also saw no less than three different franchises thinking that that was about them who else so i saw the jaguars that probably is about them thinking that it was about them but it could be but that was kind of what shefter was saying yeah he was saying there could be eight openings and and Ben Johnson could only take two interviews.
Yeah, and then I saw the Jets thinking that Adam Schefter was talking about that. Probably about them as well.
So he's sending a message to... All the dysfunctional franchises, don't get your hopes up.
This guy has the pick of the litter and he's not going to go somewhere where he thinks he can fail. Counterpoint, you got Caleb Williams.
Yeah. Right? Like any other franchise.
I guess you could say that same thing for the Jaguars. They have Trevor Lawrence, who would probably be an interesting project for a good offensive mind.
Aaron Rodgers would be the same way, but he's old. They've taken the fight out of me.
I don't know what to say. Taken the fight out of me.
So there's no bad blood between you and Hank right now? No, I have no fight left. This is the game to recharge my fight.
If they win this game convincingly, my fight will be recharged for the Packers. If they squeak out a win or lose this game, I will continue to have no fight.
I have a question for the producers as part of my take. Yes.
From a production standpoint and a numbers standpoint, what is the optimal outcome for this game? Is it for Hank's Patriots to just crush Big Cat's dreams? Yes. Or is it for Big Cat to beat the fuck out of Hank and talk all the shit to him? No, I'm not even going to talk shit because I think this season is just fucked up beyond belief.
Fubar, I need you to be excited for the Packers.

Yeah, that's what the Sickos are wanting for.

I want you to win by 14.

I don't know.

If the Sickos and perverts are rooting for a Bears resounding victory

because knowing how my brain works and how reactionary I am,

I will get myself hyped to be like, we're going to beat the Packers.

Do you want me to tell you what I really want? What? I want to make a remake of the last year. What? Remember that clip that we made of you going back and forth on whether you got the Packers? Yeah, that's what's going to happen.
No, that's going to happen. I mean, it is.
It's a week-to-week league for me. Although this year, it's not been a rollercoaster.
It's been the first part of a rollerco coaster. I just went up, up, up, and then straight down.
It hasn't been back up. No, we could get some clips from that Titans game.
No, because I was like, I mean, we won that game. Yeah, but middle of the game.
But I still was staying positive. It was week one.
You need, for the clip to actually work, I need to go back up. I'm going down bit down right now in the jaguars game there was a little bit of up no i'm saying i'm saying the season has been like a little steady up up up up and now it's going down we for max to make the clip he needs me to go back up again yeah because otherwise it's just going to be me it's just one clip of me going up and then just straight down correct yeah so you need a you need a big win and me to be excited about the packers then we lose to the packers and i'm back down yeah but i'm not i'm not allowing my i'll say 14 actually 17 i'll say so i'll settle for 17 17 will be hopes up 17 will be Longest home winning streak in the NFL.
Yeah, nine games. Can't win on the road.
Can't win on the road. Okay, next game.
Broncos at Chiefs. Chiefs are plus 56 point differential, which is the lowest for an undefeated team through eight games.
So there are 25 teams since 1979 that started the season eight no if you go off dvoa uh the chiefs would be 18th so they'd be kind of in the middle yeah on that one but i still think they're the best team and not name the lions yeah if they if they had to score 40 points a game to win some of these games they probably would be able to figure out a way somehow to right if they have to have a third down they'll get a third down I'm very curious to see how Bo Nix bounces back uh and if the Broncos because we that was a step up in class last week they got smoked I I do think you're never as bad as you were the week before so maybe we get a good Broncos performance here I the only thing that is making me want to Hank, maybe go Bo Nix in the Hungry Dog. That, I don't know.
Okay. That was hard last week.
The only thing that's making me think that is the Chiefs, I believe, are eight-point favorites right now. How many people conservatively in America are going to tease the Chiefs? All of them.
Yeah. Everyone's looking at it and being like, all right, tease the Chiefs, find another leg, good to go.
That's the only thing that's making me think maybe the Broncos have a chance in this game, which is a dumb logic thing and also not in any type of analysis that is worth anything. Also, the Broncos' defense plays well against the Chiefs.
They do. Last year, they played really well both games.
Both games, the defense was awesome against the Chiefs. Yeah, you're right.
Could just do a hungry horse. Okay.
Broncos' Colts. Yeah.
Okay. You said you like the Colts.
It's a good spot for them. Something to think about.
Something to think about. I also, I mean, I have stats for the chiefs the from sports and fall solutions uh spags defense brings extra rushers uh a lot and the chiefs are 10 top 10 in success rate when bringing extra rushers and the broncos offense is bottom 10 so if they blitz bo nicks it could be a long day yeah i'm bo nicks man there something about him.
I feel like if the defense can play good, having Bo Nix be the first person to beat Patrick Mahomes this season would be like a perfect Bo Nix thing. Oh, it would be so great.
It would be so great. But I don't think it's going to happen.
But we'll see. Okay, next up, a game I'm very excited to talk about.
Ready for this, Hank? I'm very excited to talk about. What game do you think I'm going to say? Falcon Saints.
Yes. That's exactly what I was going to say.
That's a lie. It's not a lie.
I've done my research on Darren Rizzi, and I think I'm going to take the Saints. I've done some, too.
What did you pull up? All right, so I got a few. Foster Moreau said that for those of you that know Darren Rizzi, he's an unbelievable leader of men.
Also, Darren Rizzi changed the layout of the locker room. Yep.
So he got all the position groups together. Which it makes you wonder why the position groups weren't together to begin with.
They said maybe a COVID thing? It was a COVID thing. So during COVID, they mixed up all the position groups.
So that way you couldn't have hypothetically uh blake bortles coming in to play for your team and then he gets the entire quarterback room yes he might just be sitting next to like a backup tight end or something and then they spread it around hypothetically if blake bortles had happened to be on the saints at any time during covid season right hypothetically uh he also said I can promise a lot i can promise passion or i can't promise a lot i can promise passion and i can promise fight i think you can win a football game with passion and fight he went back in that press conference and he said again like you will see my team play with fight and passion yeah those are like his two key words that he zeroed in on i've got another thing about olriz the riz, the Rizler. All right, I got two more as well, but you go with yours.

Okay, so this is huge.

They've added some sports science to their regimen.

Okay.

And by that, I mean they're doing an activation period

before every practice and every game.

Oh.

What is an activation period, you might ask?

It's warming up.

It's stretching.

It's getting a spike going.

They were not stretching before games.

Okay. So he has added in stretching which is huge that's got to be worth very important very important the saints haven't been injured or banged up or anything this season no not at all so i feel like this is a good thing that the a professional football team is now stretching before games yeah they're stretching Yeah.
Okay. I like that.
My other two uh the Rizzlers uh Darren Rizzler stats uh he's a disciple of Dan Campbell he considers Dan Campbell a mentor they had a long conversation he said it was a great conversation he also talked to Bill Parcells and then my last one and this is kind of the the cherry on top for will I won't I bet on a interim head coach I need some type of weird not deformity but something's a little off Darren Rizzi's ears are fucked up yeah they are I don't know what the fuck is going on with his ears no offense to his ears I don't know if you can pull it up memes Max just went I don't know where he went but they are He's got elf years. Yeah.
I tried to his ears. I don't know if you can pull it up memes.
Max just went.

I don't know where he went, but they are like elf ears.

Yeah.

Like I tried to look up if he was a wrestler, but they're not cauliflower ears.

They're just they're too low set.

Yeah.

No, he literally has low pad level on his ears.

He looks like a Mr. Potato Head with the ears put on backwards.

I don't know how much more we should talk about his ear.

I don't know what they're like the reason why his ear if he just has low ears.

I think you can talk about his ears because I don't think those ears can hear.

I don't know how much more we should talk about his ears. I don't know the reason why his ears, if he just has low ears.
I think you can talk about his ears because I don't think those ears can hear. I don't think that those ears can withhold a pair of sunglasses.
Right. No, it looks like he was wearing sunglasses made out of tungsten.
Yeah. That's what happened.
Or he just wore hats his entire life. Yeah.
And they just beat the ears down into submission. He's got, you know, those sunglasses that Oakley made for a little bit that wrap around the top of the head.
Yep. That's what he has to wear on the sidelines.
Yeah, his ears are something else. Again, no offense to Darren Rizzi.
We're betting on him and I like him. But yeah, your ears, man.
I like that he's got bad ears. Yeah.
It makes it more interesting. Yeah, he also tried to come to Dennis Allen's defense and fight Arthur Smith, who Arthur Smith's a friend, but I do like the fight out of him.
Yeah, it's good. He also trolled Tommy DeVito before their game last season.
You remember that? Yes. He wore the rival high school t-shirt.
He has a New Jersey high school off. Yes.
So we've got a proud Italian in Rizzi. Yeah.
Darren Rizzi. As for the Falcons, I mean, listen, if this were not an interim head coach game, I would probably hammer the Falcons.
I think they're going to have a field day with what the Saints do defensively, and they don't do a lot, and they don't do it well. The Falcons run 87% of their plays out of 11 personnel, and the Saints are worse at defending 11 personnel.
Sorry, 26th in the NFL, so really bad. Really bad at defending 11 personnel.
I don't know. Drake London not playing, I would assume.
I don't think that he is. Yeah.
So maybe... What about Olave not playing? Olave definitely not playing.
He's seeing a specialist. Pretty scary.
I think that's his fourth concussion in three years. So, yeah, that doesn't feel like a good situation.
It's a rivalry game. Like these two teams actually, they do hate each other.
Every time they play, it seems like something happens. Yep.
And I feel like this three-week window for the Saints is Derek Carr's only opportunity to get away from seeing what mean people are saying about him. Yeah.
Specifically his former teammates.

Yeah.

So this is a three hour gap in his week where he won't have to worry about reading Michael Thomas saying anything mean about him.

But he probably knows while he's playing that it's happening.

Like every time if he throws a pick,

I think he thinks about Michael Thomas before he gets to the sideline.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If Drake London is not playing,

which I believe he won't be,

I'm pits. It's a pits game.
I'm calling it right now. Kyle Pitts.
Vibes. You love Pitts.
I do love Pitts. I love everyone on the Falcons.
I've always been obsessed with the Falcons' first-round picks. This goes back for like 10 years.
They just accumulate first-round picks, and I am a draft guru at heart where if you're a first round pick you're really really good for the rest of your life in my eyes and even after your boss i'm like i mean i still think kevin white could be explosive on the field well every falcons first round pick on offense just looks awesome when you wear the falcons uniform yeah like this guy's fast and strong yeah so i yeah i believe in the falcons uh kirko he's playing well kirko opportunity to walk in the trap he's playing well uh okay 49ers at bucks henry is christian mccaffrey playing yeah i think he is oh okay okay brought per you this is per you not the word you from the man who brought you, Christian McCaffrey might retire. He is now bringing you.
I never said that. He might play.
Never said that. It looks like he's playing.
Okay. From what I've seen.
Okay. I feel like he's playing.
And I'm happy I didn't say that he was going to retire. Because then I would look really dumb.
Yeah, you would. I feel like a lot of tight ends in this game.
Otten and Kittle. Problem with Otten is Fred Warner.
Yeah, that's true. Just throwing it out there.
I like the 49ers in this game off the bottom. But who else do the Bucs have, really? They don't have anyone else.
Yeah, so it's like they're going to have to scheme open Otten. No, they don't have Scotty Miller anymore.
I think he's on the Steelers. Yeah, he is.
Bucky. I think this is a 49ers reset.
The 49ers went on a bye. They've had a tough start to the season, but they look up and the division is right there.
Yeah. You know what I mean? They're not sitting there.
It'd be one thing if they were 4-4 and there was a 7-1 team in their division. That's not the case.
I think they have everything in front of them, and this is where they start playing good football. And this is the classic Kyle Shanahan position to be in.
Yeah. If you look back at his career as a head coach, before the bye, their record is .500 right now, right? Yeah.
That's actually an improvement of what they usually are before the bye. Yep.
Because they're usually a .400 football team before before the buy and then over the course of his career after the buy there are 700 football this is where he starts cooking so this is legitimately the place that you can point to every year and be like after this little mini break they're just gonna run the table yeah and i just i feel like the bucks they've had really good effort the last couple weeks although the falcons game was closer than Like, the final score was closer than what the actual play was. I just think this might be where it just, it's like, damn, I wish we had Mike Evans and Chris Godwin out here because we can't go blow for blow with the 49ers, especially if CMC is back.
And if you play as well as they played against the Chiefs and then you lose and you don't go for it at the end, I feel like that's a very deflating way to lose a football game. Oh, yeah.
I should specify with the Kyle Shanahan thing, it's true that all of his teams improve drastically after the bye, like night and day football teams. But the first game after the bye, he's not that great.
I think he's 4-3 in that very first game back. Okay.
But just look for the season to start improving now. Yeah, the 49ers are going to go on a little run.
All right. Biggest game of the noon slate, Steelers or Commanders.
Game will be sound. How many games do we have at noon? Is it seven? I think there are four buys this week.
I think there might be four buys plus Germany. Are there four buys? Yeah, the Raiders, the Se the packers one two three seven four seven perfect so we'll have all the games on and we'll do sound for steelers commanders uh i am very excited for this game because i think this is a like not a measuring stick because i think both these teams are good.
I think it's going to be like, which one is more for real? And when I say which one is more for real, I'm talking about the commander's offense or the Steelers defense. Yeah, I think whichever team wins this game, I think that team is going to win their division.
Yeah, and I think they could maybe be thinking soupy. So the reason why I say specifically the Steelers defense and the commander's offense, because you could look at it and say the Steelers defense has faced the following quarterbacks.
Kirk Cousins first game back after Achilles. Bo Nix, rookie, a very hurt Justin Herbert.
Anthony Richardson, the 17th best quarterback in Dak Prescott. Gardner Minshew, Aaron Rodgers, and Daniel Jones.
Not exactly. Jaden Daniels has been playing better than all the guys I just listed.
And then on the other side, the commander's offense has not faced a top 10 in DVOA defense. The best defense they faced was the Bears, who they scored one touchdown at the end at the end of the game the Steelers the eighth best defense DVOA so is it the Steelers defense is a little uh bit worse than we think or is the commander's offense a little bit worse than we think that's where I'm excited to find this out yeah and the the commander's best win this season you can make the argument has been their loss to the Ravens yeah that was like the thing that you can point out and be like this is how this is why we think that the commanders are a legitimately good football team and not just beating up on a relatively soft schedule because they've beaten a lot of bad teams for sure uh and to have pittsburgh come into washington it's tough because pittsburgh they they bring their towels there have been numerous games where it's been the steelers at whatever washington name is in place at that point where they've had to go to a hard count at home.
Yeah. And there's a little bit of towel judo going on this week.
So the commanders are passing out burgundy towels and hoping that when the yellow towels are waving, the burgundy ones are also waving. It's going to look like a cool autumn tree.
Or it looks like the Redskins Commander's colors. Yeah, this is burgundy and gold.
This is a foliage game. Yeah, they're like, we can't keep the towels out, but if we add our towels, then it'll look like your towels are actually our towels.
Yeah. Well, unless there's more terrible towels.
Well, if there's way more yellow, then it's an issue. But keep your eyes on the towel storyline.

The commanders – sorry, Mike Tomlin, by the way,

is career 26-6 straight up in games against rookie quarterbacks.

And also this is obviously a Mike Tomlin road underdog spot

where he's 41-28 and one against the spread.

Yeah, so Mike Tomlin underdog on the road. Off a bye.
Off a bye where the Steelers are 13-4 after the bye under Tomlin. I don't feel comfortable about this game, and I'm very uncomfortable about T.J.
Watt because he does bad things to good quarterbacks. The Commanders are 11-for-11 on fourth down this year, which leads the league.
Pretty crazy. Yep, and we got Latimore.
I don't know if Latimore is going to be playing this weekend. I figured that when we got him, it was going to be the Devontae Adams situation where he's like, oh, my hamstring's actually good.
It's the elevation that made it better. I want to kiss guys, and my hamstring doesn't hurt anymore.
But I don't know if he's going to be playing or if he's going to be playing a meaningful amount. I asked you that question seriously the other day, and you just laughed at my face.
Is that true? Oh, it's a hamstring. I'm sure that hamstring really feels good.
That's a very accurate representation. Oh, shit.
What were you going to say about this game, Max? Jerry versus PFT in the gambling cave. Yeah.
Jerry's nervous? No, he's not. He's not at all.
No, no, he's nervous. He was like, do I give it to him the way that I gave it to you or will he give it back to me because I'm nervous I'll give it to Jerry If Jerry wants to give it to me I'll give it right back There's going to be a lot of giving in that cave on Sunday at 12 o'clock A lot of giving I think we will find out a lot about both teams in this case That's what I'm saying It's seriously like if the commander's offense looks incredible uh i'm gonna be like holy shit they're a lot better than i even expected i think they're very good and the sealers defense is maybe a little fraudulent and if it's the reverse if the sealers defense dominates and be like damn this sealers defense might be the best defense in the league yeah that's that's where the, like, I love this matchup,

and I can't wait to watch this game.

Yeah, Jerry asked me earlier in the week,

before the trade deadline,

if I would call DK Metcalf for him

and see if he would like to be traded to the Steelers.

And I said, Jerry, I can't do that

because we're playing this weekend.

Yeah.

And he understood.

He understands it.

Fair.

He said fair.

Jerry and I are not friends this week.

Yeah, he said fair.

He said fair.

Terrible towels. What about it? You guys are doing friends this week.
Yeah, he said fair. He said fair.
Terrible towels.

What about it?

You guys are doing the terrible towels.

Yeah.

The maroon towels.

Yeah.

Burgundy, yeah.

Yeah, burgundy.

We discussed the whole towel situation.

Yeah.

I might have to get a towel.

You should.

I will.

Jerry would not like that.

He's going to have to bring his towel.

Things could get messy.

Things could get real messy.

Better bring a towel off.

I'll bring Stu's 15-15-30 towel.

There's a lot of people who are not going to be to bring his towel. Things could get messy.
Things could get real messy. Better bring towel off.
I'll bring Stu's 15, 15, 30 towel. There you go.
Come right. It will be chaos in the gambling cave, though, because it'll be me and Jerry yelling at each other, sitting right next to each other, and then it's going to be Hank and Big Cat feeling each other out to see how hard they should yell.
Again, I have no fight. I have no fight.
I don't know what you want to say.

I can't fake the fight.

I got some fight. I'll bring the fight out.
Is this going to be like the NCAA tournament?

It totally depends on how they play.

If the Bears come out and start playing well,

I will rebuild my fight.

I'm basically like

the Ninja

Turtles game where my health is like this. I need a couple pizzas.
Yeah. And the pizzas are touchdowns.
And if I can get the pizzas, my fight will come back and I'll be revived. Just run over a stim kit real quick.
Yeah, that's how I feel right now. Memes keeps talking about there's some terrible towel curse that if you try and mess with the juju Yeah, that's true.
That is true. good that is very very true that when you try to fuck with it if you're the tennessee titans who fucked with it a couple times i forget who else had disrespect for the terrible towel i don't think i i don't think that this is disrespect for the terrible towel is it i think that we should get we should figure it out either me and jerry both do steelers patriots and you two both do commanders bears or the opposite where me and pft both do commanders patriots and you and jerry both do bears steelers what do you mean do that just just for so it's just even more chaos I'm down to do Steelers Patriots or Steelers Bears

we'll figure it out. Either one of those, to be honest.
But I think that would make it even more chaotic. I'm okay with Commies Bears.
Okay. We'll figure it out.
So, memes, I just found this. Back in 2016, the Redskins did the Burgundy Towels,

and they lost 38-16.

Shit.

So we're bringing back loser towels.

I've got a good scapegoat if we lose, though.

Yeah, towels.

It was a towels.

Vikings and Jaguars, are we getting Mac Jones?

I think it's going to be Mac, yeah.

That's going to be hilarious.

So Trevor Lawrence has a shoulder injury. Mac Jones.
Now, Hank, now you have another game. Are you rooting for Mack? I got no bad blood towards Mack.
I don't think he's going to win this game. Is it official? It's not official that it's Mack Jones.
Yeah, no, I think it is. Oh, is it? I think Trevor Lawrence is officially not playing.
I saw a rap sheet say unlikely that Trevor Lawrence will play. Is that baked in the line already or is the line move? I saw four and a half earlier.
Oh, no, it's seven. Well, I got lucky with my picks earlier.
Yeah, it's the return of the Mac. Okay, so Mac Jones, he's going to be in for it with the Brian Flores Blitz.
And they're playing with the white helmets,

the shell white helmets for the Jags.

Can I see them, please?

I would like to see the shell.

Max, please pull up the shell white helmets for the Jags.

I'm going to give a gut instinct whether I like it or not.

Just straight up.

Let's see.

Hit it.

I like them.

Now, don't be fooled by the blur.

No, yeah, that's a gut. There's something about the teal and the white just kind of pop.
Yeah, shell white, baby. Yeah, let's see them.
See? The blur did a lot of work on it, didn't it? I'm taking it back. I'm walking it back.
I just saw it in real life. I'm walking it back.
You already did your gut, though. Yeah, but that was because of the blur.
No, but the blur. It was an icy, icy blur.
You can't do the Photoshop blur. I want to see it, how it looks in person.
And then you also have to think about Mac Jones wearing it. Well, your gut reaction to it was when you saw Trevor Lawrence, you were like, but Mac Jones might look icy.
All right, wait. Let's see this.
Oh, my. The teal of the mouth is pretty cool.
The teal is, yeah. I wish there was a little more teal.
They should not call that shell white. Call that teal tongue.
Okay, I'll stick with it. I like it.
Fine. I like it.
Are they wearing white jerseys too or no? I'm not sure. And, again, people are going to be like, oh, well, you hated the Packers white helmets.
This is my exact point. If you're the Jaguars, you're a franchise that should be like Oregon.
You should just wear different uniforms every week. Yeah, the Jaguars.
You have no real history to fall back on here. You just do it.
It was like four years ago they had the two-tone helmets. Yeah.
It was like half gold and half black. The crazier, the weirder things that you do, the more I probably am in on it.
Yeah. Those old ones, they used to looktonio brown's mustache yeah yeah uh okay so so you got to be on mac watch now too hank mac jones i could i might do hungry horse parlay and hungry cat parlay hungry cat parlay jack's panthers hungry bird parlay are there two hungry birds um the cardinals and the Seahawks on the bayou, you said? I did not say the Seahawks.
The Cardinals. They're a bird.
You could also at some point do the Hungry Pirate parlay. To the uniforms, real quick.
They are voting on how they want to wear it. Perfect.
It has to be black jerseys, but the team is voting for what they want for pant-sock combo to be. You can do that? I guess.
There's Jaguars. They can do anything.
Yeah. Each player voted for their favorite pant-sock combo to be worn.
All right. They have to wear black jerseys.
I think you got to go all black. All black looks sick.
All black or you got to go all white bottoms. The top left looks too much like a Panthers.
Yeah. That's the Panthers.
Bottom right I hate. Yeah, bottom right and top left are bad.
So it's all black or all white on the lower half. One of those two.
All black looks good. Okay.
That was our Jersey talk for the week. Vikings are good.
And also, Doug Peterson, kind of a diss at Sam Darnold. I would say so.
Yeah, they asked, why is Sam Darnold turning around this year? And he just laughed. He said, Justin Jefferson.
But also, not totally untrue. Yeah, I think that's a very reasonable thing to say.
But coaches usually don't say stuff like that before games. Yeah.
They're usually like, well, he's playing very well.

Trevor Lawrence is going to be pissed off.

Trevor Lawrence, it's unfortunate that he's not playing because he is one of the best quarterbacks against the Blitz.

Yeah.

You wouldn't know that, but he's really, really good

for the last three seasons against the Blitz.

And that's obviously what Brian Flores is going to do.

Yeah.

Mack Jones against the Blitz?

I don't know, but I'm going to guess it's probably not great.

Probably not.

Probably not great. But is it better than normal Mack Jones guess it's probably not great.
Probably not. Probably not great.

But is it better than normal Mac Jones?

That's really what we have to ask.

Yeah.

Like, is he better against the Blitz than he is not against the Blitz?

I just hope if Mac Jones plays, we get one funny interception or fumble.

Oh, you will.

Just for throwback's sake.

Okay.

Afternoon games.

Titans at Chargers.

Boys, this is a must win for our Chargers future. I think we all agree.
They've got some tough games coming up. We're going to talk about it with Ron Rivera, which was an awesome interview, so make sure you listen.
But the Titans have the second-worst special teams all-time only to the 2010 Chargers, which was the team that went first in offense, first in defense, last in special teams and missed the playoffs at nine and seven. I think a lot of that is also baked into that Lions win.
Yeah. Remember that when it was.
No. I mean, we blocked a punt against them week one.
Yeah, it's true. They've had some bad.
And didn't the Jets run a punt back on them? Memes. Or at least to like the 20 yard line in the titans jets game giant um wasn't there a big special teams play i want to say there was we blocked the punt too you might have blocked a punt they're bad they're bad no we blocked a pump we've lost yeah yeah they're bad special i mean that 2010 chargers special teams is like the by far the worst.
They were so, so bad that season.

So to even be compared to them, you know that they're bad.

Yeah, and it's the weirdest stat that you had a team first in offense,

first in defense, miss the playoffs.

But if you look back at their games, you can point to like six games.

It's like, oh, if our special teams wasn't the worst,

we would have won this game.

Yeah, so the Titans are ranked first in total defense,

and they're ranked – Yards allowed, I think. Titans are ranked first in total defense, and they're ranked...

Yards allowed, I think.

Yeah, yeah, in total defense,

and then also first in pass defense.

Yeah, they're good defensively.

That's why I can't quit them.

And they're allowing 26.6 points a game,

even though they have the best defense.

Short fields.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm nervous about this game for the Chargers

because it does feel a little bit

like it's just going to be a bully ball fest back and forth.

Yeah, so if you're doing a visualization

for the Chargers because it does feel a little bit like it's just going to be a bully ball fest back and forth. Yeah, so if you're doing a visualization for this game, it feels like maybe Chargers 3-0 in the first quarter.
Yeah. And then they score a touchdown in the second quarter, another field goal.
So now you're looking at 13-0. And then they score another field goal at the start of the third quarter and then absolutely nothing happens after that yeah they just run the ball uh punt like 60 of the time and uh go on one drive that's like eight minutes long yep and get zero points and they they end up winning 20 to zero that feels right i feel like you just said feels right maybe 20 to 7 yeah that feels right uh okay uh eagles the cowboys dac hamstring torn off the bone i feel like they just added that part so everyone would be like oh he's actually hurt no when they when they add that part to me i think that sounds delicious ham hamstring off the bone steve steve young by the way speaking that's delicious, he said this week on his radio hit, the Cowboys are so freaking cooked, which is about as much as Steve Young would ever swear.
Again, it sounds like something I want to eat. Yeah.
Max, are you nervous about this game? Cooper Rush. The only nervousness comes from like, yes, yes, I am nervous am nervous okay but it's because it seems too easy it does i've been a j brown is back at practice i've been saying everywhere that saquon's gonna run for 200 yards because i mean the cowboys can't stop the run and it's just gonna be bully ball by the by the eagles so there's still something about playing at Jerry.
It's Cooper Rush, though. There's no way we can lose to Cooper Rush.
So you guys beat Cooper Rush the last time you played him. But Cooper Rush, I think he won his first four games when he came in as a backup last time.
And if you're wondering what peak Cowboys would be, they're lower than you think that they can ever get right now like everyone's given up on the season if Cooper Rush comes in and has the offense looking competent that is actually peak Cowboys yeah when the backup quarterback that has like a third of the physical tools that Dak Prescott has comes in wins football games as Dak is very sadly recovering from a scrumptious sounding injury yes Yes. That is peak Cowboys right there.
Fun Lane Johnson is a freak stat of the week. He's played in eight games this year, and he's given up two pressures.
Not two sacks. He's a sacks.
Two pressures. He's so good.
Pressures. Pressures.
Not sacks. Pressures.
So good. I think one of those was a sack, oh okay just just saying just that's hey that's good accountability yeah you yeah we could have skated by on that yep i yeah that's me you know hand up max so you think it's too easy right that's where it makes you scared correct would it be as easy as like uh villanova beating an an Ivy League team in basketball?

There's no way we talk about college basketball on November 7th. I'm asking in a scale of easiness when you're Villanova basketball,

home of many national titles, and you see an Ivy League school,

not even a Princeton or a Yale who's been to the tournament,

you see Columbia.

I thought they were playing a South American team. I thought this was like an an exhibition is it that easy? I know how to tie this all around during my thoughts last night I'm going to turn my thoughts I love it he's got his brain like it's a TV show yeah did you sit down you sat down and turned it on you're like all right here we go thoughts time thoughts time i was having thoughts and i i will i will i will not say a bad word about nick sirianni for the rest of the year what that's bullshit i will not say a bad word about nick sirianni for the that's as much bullshit as me saying i'm not going to tell myself that you don't have to watch kyle neptune.
Well, I actually could. Do you think Kyle Neptune's a worse coach than Nick Sirianni? Without question.
Why would you say that? Have they lost this year? They lose to everyone. He has more...
College basketball started? Who'd you guys play? Was it preseason? We lost to Columbia. Columbia? In two years and two games, Kyle Neptune has lost seven games to teams above 100 on the Ken Palm.
Jay Wright lost to two in his last nine years coaching there. Seven to two for four times as many years.
Did you pay them? Yes. You paid Columbia? Yes.
Oh, by game, that's the epitome of brutality.

We pay our entire roster.

Their roster pays to go to school.

Villanova's, they should be a Fortune 500 company.

And they're not.

But, okay.

Kyle Neptune, where did he coach before?

Spin zone, it's November.

Fordham.

Who is, like, let's just look up.

He went 500 at Fordham.

But Kyle Neptune's, like, first game ever at Fordham.

Who'd they play?

I don't know let's just I mean I I'm trying to I'm trying to spin this positively Fordham what year did he start at Fordham uh it was he only coached that for one year what year was it it was so pull up this Fordham schedule from what year? If he started, I'm trying to do math. Get math done.
So it would have been 2021. Okay, so pull up Fordham's 2021 schedule.
The 21-22 season. Look, he can turn this thing around.
No, but this is three years in a row. He lost to Portland his first year.
He lost to Yale last year.

And he lost to Columbia this year.

Let's see his first game because you can get better, dude.

You can get better.

His first game at Fordham.

He doesn't.

This is his first game at Fordham.

Let's see.

Pull it up.

Are you going the right way?

I think.

Wait, yeah.

Yeah, okay.

20.

Wait, what?

Oh, there's one.

Oh, no, just stop right there.

There's one.

I saw it.

I'm doing bad.

November, right there.

November.

I'm doing bad.

Keep going, keep going, keep going.

There it is.

November 9th, 2021, Fordham beat.

Oh, Columbia.

Oh, no.

Shit.

So, okay, this is the bit that you were doing. That's such a coincidence.
This was the bit that you were doing. I did not know that stat.
That took so long. That took way too long for Max to find it.
He beat Columbia in his first game ever at Fordham. Shit.
He gave up 90 points to Columbia at home. 90 points.

Shout out to AWO who tagged me in that tweet last night.

He was like, hey, Max, don't worry.

Kyle Neptune, when he first gave it Fordham, beat Columbia.

90 points at home to Columbia.

So you're not going to say anything bad about Sirianni

because Neptune is so much worse.

He just needed Fordham's roster.

It just makes me wonder.

How can I be upset with Nick Sirianni for just continuing to win games when I root for a coach like Kyle Neptune? That's a really good perspective. Who is incapable of winning.
It looks like an AAU team that just showed up and met each other for the first time. It looks like they've never played basketball together.
Every team in college basketball has brand new players because of the transfer portal. Figure it out.
Max, it's November, dude. Yeah, we're talking about football.
You brought this up. You know how many people stopped listening to the podcast? You want to talk about the Sixers? Sixers stink, too.
Sixers are tanking. Oh, man.
Alright, so the Eagles. Kwon got drug tested.
Oh, he did? Yeah, after the back. I don't know if they were testing him for PEDs or testing him for just stuff that'll fuck you up and make you think that it's a good idea to jump over somebody backwards.
Yeah. But either way, yeah, he pissed in a cup this week.
I like the Eagles too, but again, I keep going back and thinking about maximum Cowboys, and that would be to have Cooper Rush get in and look really good. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Maximum Cowboys. Sounds like a movie I don't want to watch.
That's what I'm thinking. What did Skip call it? Supreme.
This is Supreme Cowboys. Supreme debate, yeah.
Supreme Cowboys would be Cooper Rush getting in and winning by 10 points. Also, shout out our guy Skip.
He got hacked on Tuesday night. That was tough.
That was rough was rough that was really really really tough the the only uh criticism i have of the hacker is you should have done the funny thing and started following people yeah that would have been good yeah i really fucked with him one of the funniest part he changed his avatar to lebron james oh he did that was great okay that was good uh okay jets at cardinals memes must win must win I'm now I'm now nervous that we're

favorite was good uh okay jets at cardinals memes must win must win i'm i'm now i'm now nervous that we're favorites oh uh sunday we were plus one and now we're minus one and a half memes i have some silver linings for you okay uh trump donald trump is now the president-elect he's going to be inaugurated on January 20th.

Woody Johnson might become the ambassador to UK again,

and that means he can't fuck up your team anymore.

Yeah, but then we have Christopher Johnson.

Well, he's probably good.

Is he related to Woody?

Brothers.

Ah, shit.

What about Brick?

Brick's probably gone.

He's going to go to Ireland?

Unless we go on a run. I saw Joe Douglas said when they asked him about his job, he said, whatever happens, happens.
That's a good perspective to have on it. It's good vibes.
Meams, how do you feel about Malachi Corley? That was an asshole statement. What did he say? He said he had over 200-plus touchdowns in his career, just his playing football career.
I shouldn't worry worry about crossing the goal line this is the first time out of 200 times where he's dropped it before is he blaming the goal line what i don't understand he's just saying uh he just has to cross six inches and he'll be fine he's just like that was out of character for me i usually don't drop the ball before i get to the end zone just no accountability They don't talk about all the parades that JFK was in that ended safely.

You know?

And I think that's a bit unfair to the Secret Service.

Yeah.

I would agree.

All the challengers that didn't blow up.

Yeah.

We ended up getting to the moon.

Yeah.

But, yeah, Corley is now – he's your third?

You're number three now that Williams is going or number two?

Corley?

Yeah.

He'll be behind Xavier Gibson.

Yeah, because Lazard's still hurt, right? I think the Jets will win this game. I think the Cardinals are a very good team.
The Cardinals still are not outside of playing the Bears. They don't rush the passer great, and Aaron Rodgers is still Aaron Rodgers when he has a clean pocket.
It's when he gets chased around that he looks like old Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is still top five in everything right now, which is a good sign.
Top five in everything. Everything? Soberist.
Everything. Crystal ownership.
Crystal ownership, yes. Do you see that when they brought Devontae over, and he went live on the McAfee show and they were interviewing Devontae and he had just a stack of crystals behind him because he was in Aaron Rodgers' house.
The healing crystals. Vaccines.
Not top five. Okay, so not top five in everything.
Touchdowns. Top five.
Yards. Top five.
Completion percentage. Not sure top five with that, but yards and touchdowns.
That was the third stat we gave you. It's not a very common stat.
That wasn't a – we didn't really push you that hard there. What about wins? Top ten.
Top ten and wins. AFC.
Okay, just so we're clear, he is not top five in touchdowns. He is seventh.
He is not top five in yards. So none of that was true.
He's not top five in completion percentage. What was I looking at? He is not top.
You guys, I think this is kind of a sad point,

and it took us this long to reach it,

but I think Memes might be a Florio.

I think he might be a Florio.

Yeah.

He's just not.

It's all fake news. Not top five.

Completion percentage, what number he is.

I didn't say top five of that.

What is it?

But you said top five in everything.

We have not.

He's 29th, and you said he was top five?

No, no, no.

We've yet to find a stat that he's top five in. God damn it.
Rating he's not top five in everything. He's 29th, and you said he was top five? No, no, no.
We've yet to find a stat that he's top five in. God damn it.
Rating, he's not top five. QBR, he's not top five.
Maybe rushing yards, Big Cat. Longest pass, not top five.
Yards per game, not top five. Damn it.
I must have looked at it before they updated it. What did you look at? He's top seven.
He's not top five in anything. He's top ten.
You looked at this after Thursday Night Football. Yes, you did.
Yes. Yes, you did.
Before the game started. Yes, you did.
Yeah, he was top two then. Oh, my God.
He is literally not top five in a single stat. Oh, this is embarrassing.
All right. Back to the game.

We just have to stop the run.

Cardinals are great at running the football.

We are bad at stopping the run.

We just need to focus on stopping the run,

and I think the offense will be fine

now that we have a top 10 passer.

Top 10.

Easily top 10.

Top 10.

Easily top 10.

Easily top 10. And what stats is he top 10? Oh, I can't believe I fucked that up.
Is he actually top 10 in those stats? He is top 10 in yards, and he's top 10 in touchdowns, and he's top 10 in interceptions. It was just after the Thursday Night Football before the rest of the team played.
Is he top 10 in interceptions or lack of interceptions? No, interceptions is top 10.

He is nowhere.

Oh, was it Monday Night Football?

He was nowhere close to top 10 in completion percentage.

He's 28th.

Yeah, 28th.

Pretty bad.

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

A lot of room for improvement.

Just got to stop the run.

And I think we just got to pick up momentum from Thursday Night Football

in that second half, which is beautiful.

Bring that in.

Sunday, 4 o'clock.

This is a tough game.

The Cardinals are good. I'm not sleeping on the Cardinals anymore.
They've won three in a row now. James Conner's a beast, which James Conner should be able to run the ball at will on you guys.
It's just whether your offense can get going. Their pass rush is not good either, so Rodgers could have time.
Yeah. Alright, last game.
Lions and Texans.

I don't want to do it again, but I kind of

want to take the Texans. I've just been against

the Lions every year, and I say, I start

every week with saying the Lions are the best team in the NFL,

and then I'm like, ooh, three and a half

at home for the Texans. Nico Collins

might be back. I'm going to pass.

Something weird, I mean, the Texans wide receivers

have been injured, and they have

not, there's not been a game where I've

Thank you. at home for the Texans.
Nico Collins might be back. Yeah, I'm going to pass.
Something weird. I mean, the Texans wide receivers have been injured, and there's not been a game where I've said to myself, damn, this Texans offense is in a rhythm right now.
Yeah. And the Lions offense is always.
They're never out of rhythm. They roll out of bed in rhythm.
Yeah, so was it four points? Three and a half right now. Three and a half points.
I mean, it's a sucker bet. I feel like like everybody's gonna be betting on the lions in this game especially sunday night sunday night uh houston is wearing its battle red uniforms oh battle reds are out um which is which is cool i think it's cool for a sunday night game the reflective red helmets uh i don't know what the lions are they gonna be wearing their blues no that'd be color So they can't do that.
Yeah. Nonetheless, I still think that I'm going to continue to bet on the Lions.
Yeah. I think I'm going to join you because I don't want to be an idiot anymore.
I feel like an idiot every single time. But if there was a time the Texans would maybe bounce back, wouldn't it be this? I mean, it's a good time for everyone else to bet on the Texans.

I'm going to be betting on the Lions because I'm a sucker and I'm maybe the most public person in terms of just finding these sucker lines

and going for them.

Texans defensive line getting after Jared, but Jared's so good.

It doesn't matter.

Yeah.

It doesn't matter.

I think he's on pace right now to have the highest completion percentage

in NFL history.

I think that's Aaron Rodgers. Oh, yeah, that's true.
Well, Jared's top five. Yeah.
What a brutal top five for you. I guess being number one is top five.
Top five in everything. Yeah, I love the confidence with which you said it, too.
Everything. And it took about two seconds to pick it apart.
Going from everything to nothing. Nothing.
It's just brutal. We couldn't even find one.
Without a single one. And he said everything.
Everything. Still top five.
He's top ten. He's top ten.
Everything. Memes, you are a Florio.
Yeah. Just spreading fake news the other way.
You either die of memes or you live long enough to become a Florio? I am Italian. Yeah, you are Italian.

It's okay, memes.

All right.

Can we win a TD parlay?

Can we do it?

Who's up?

I think we all fucked up last week.

I fucked up.

I think we all lost.

Josh Allen.

Not me.

Oh, you had?

I'd say Quan.

You had Quan?

Quan.

All right.

So Max stays in.

Do you want to hop in for me?

Hank, do you have someone you love?

No, he doesn't.

Okay, his brain froze.

Bajon.

Yeah.

Bajon Robinson.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jane Daniels.

Are you sure?

Yeah. I think he's.
Are you sure? Yeah.

I think he's going to be – TJ's going to be chasing him.

He's going to scramble out of the pocket and score.

I'm scared.

I'm scared of TJ Watt.

I am.

Don't do the stupid thing where you don't have anybody block TJ

and let him run right down the line of scrimmage

and easily make a tackle in the backfield.

Don't do that.

He's too fast to do that.

Stop doing that.

Don't do that.

Okay, so it's Jayden Daniels. It's saquon again max sure yep just put him in uh and bajon uh hey it's ria from tricks in the office it's officially mini skort season and abercrombie has the ones to go out in their scarlet mini is a classic it's one of those skirts that fits the outfit vibe for any plans.
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Make plans to go out in Abercrombie, shop their newest arrivals in-store and online. Okay, boys.
What are our picks? I don't think I've won a pick in the last two weeks. What are the standings right now? It's bad everywhere.
I think the leader is only two games up. I am 10-8.
Big Cat, 8-10. PFT, 8-10.
Hank, 8-10. Max, 6-11-1.
It's bad. That's bad.
So I'm a game and a half back of all of basically everyone. That's bad.
Second and fourth. Okay.
Who's up first? Henry. Henry.
Henry. I'm going to take the Gundar.
You're going to take the Gundar. 40 and a half in the Giants.
Germany game. Panthers.
Munich. Okay.
The Munder. The Munder.
Okay. I'm going to take the Jets minus one and a half.
Jets minus one and a half. I am going to take the Titans Chargers under 39.
Oh, I love that. I love that.
I love, love, love that. I'm going to take the Vikings minus seven over the Jaguars.
Okay. I am going to take the Bucks Niners over 50 and a half.
And then I have another pick. I am going to take.
Oh, man. I don't like this.
I don't like the port. I'll take the Steelers plus three.
Fuck you. Sorry.
That feels like a field goal game. It does.
It feels like a good pick, too, for Mike Tomlin. Yeah, it feels like a field goal game.
I'm going to take the over in Philadelphia-Dallas. 43 points.
Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush.
Cooper Rush.

Fuck.

I'm all scrambling now.

You just didn't think there was any chance?

No.

Well, I was like, there's no way PFT's going to take it.

Yeah.

That's why I took the...

Would you have taken that under?

Which one?

The...

Chargers tight?

Chargers tight?

Yes, I would have.

Okay.

That makes me feel a little bit better.

Knot.

Oh, shit.

I hit you with the not.

I don't think I've ever picked an under.

I'll take Villanova minus 11 and a half.

Against who, PFT?

Columbia.

Oh.

I'm going to dominate that.

Not the national team.

The Ivy League school.

Fuck it.

Give me Broncos plus seven and a half.

Okay.

I like that.

Go Knicks.

Is that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. I'm going to take the Monday Night Football over 50.
That line, by the way, makes no sense to me. The Rams.
Why are the Rams only one point favorite? I feel like that's the easiest bet in the world, but it's just wrong. I guess because the Dolphins look pretty good against the Bills.
Yeah, I just, I'm wrong. I know that I'm wrong.
I'm going to end up betting the Rams, and it's going to be wrong. Yeah.
I'll be taking the New England Patriots plus six against the Chicago Bears. Okay.
Okay. Good picks, boys.
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Okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Hey, hey. My name's Mickey Montclair.
Hey, Mickey. Mickey Montclair.

M&M.

My stardom this week is Christian McCaffrey.

Why?

What's happening?

All you fantasy owners, you drafted him one.

You've been pissed off all year.

He's been on your bench.

Maybe you drafted him.

Maybe you traded him.

This is your week.

Put him in.

Stardom.

He's going to be back.

He's going to be playing.

He's going to get two touchdowns.

Oh, hell yes.

My sit-em, D'Angelo Russell. JJ Reddick, trouble in paradise already in Lakers.
D'Angelo Russell got benched. Said he wasn't putting in effort.
JJ Reddick stormed out of the press conference. It's bad.
Oh, shit. He said the F word.
Oh, shit. The Kelsey word? No, the other F word.
Fuck? Yeah, he said fuck.

Holy shit.

JJ said that?

JJ said fuck.

Oh, no.

Will Compton said, that's a bridge too far.

I'm out.

I'm out.

My sleeper, it's you this weekend.

Daylight saving time.

Yeah.

Daylight saving.

Congratulations.

God damn it.

Enjoy your Sunday.

Sleep in.

You're getting an extra hour this weekend.

It's going to be so dark.

So early. I know.
I'm not looking forward to it. Set those clocks.
Yeah. Good one.
Hey, what's up, you dickheads? My name is Tommy Tortellini. Tommy.
Here in the club talking to you about my stardom, and my stardom is rhesus monkeys. I'm stardom rhesus.
Rhesus monkeys? Rhesus monkeys. Rhesus monkeys.
Is that like when they do the Christmas trees? There's an outbreak of 43 rhesus macaque primates. I'm starting macaque this week.
There's 43 macaque primates that escape from a research facility in South Carolina. Residents have been advised to lock the windows and the doors.
43 young females weighing between 6 and 7 pounds are running amok. Where is this? Hey.
This is Beaufort County, South Carolina. Oh, shit.
Bunch of macaque running around. Sounds hot.
Beaufort these nuts? Beaufort. Oh, shit.
Gotcha. Oh, shit.
I'm sitting. Bronny James.
He just got designated to the G League. Oh, sent down.
What a career my good friend Bronny had.

Had a bucket.

We'll never forget what happened.

Had a bucket.

Played with his dad.

It's got to be D'Angelo Russell's fault.

Yeah.

Probably D'Angelo Russell's fault.

And then my sleeper is Maxie.

Tyrese Maxie.

Is he okay?

Oh, no.

No, he's not okay.

What happened?

It's November.

Dude, don't worry. It's November.
Is Tyrese Maxey okay? I'm sitting basketball season out this year. Is he okay, Max? My team's fucking soft.
Is he okay? Tell me he's okay. It's November.
Look what they did to my boy. They massacred my boy.
Oh, no. Nazi, it's November, dude.
What's up? What's up, you fucks? It's Darren Rizzi. Hey, what's up, Coach? Coach of the New Orleans Saints.
We're going to give you go the Riz days. My stardom is locker rooms.
I switched it up this week. I got it all set up.
All the guys sit with each other. We're going to win a game against the Falcons.
I love that. I love that.
Yeah, my sit-em is Providence basketball. They banned Don the Duck from Providence from the stadium.
That's fucked up. Fuck that duck.
No more Don the Duck. The Duck.
Hashtag the duck. Hashtag the duck.
Quit ducking. Free the duck.
Quit ducking the duck. Don't do that.
Is it a real live duck? Yes. It's a real fucking duck.
Bring the duck back. We stand with the duck.
And my sleepers, Columbia Basketball, they're looking good this year. They might be a diaper dandy.
Real New York City team, right? Yeah, you know what they say about New York City point guards. If you don't like it, just wait five minutes.
Oh, no, I was just saying they're good. Wait, what happened to Tyrese Maxey? Hamstring.
But Paul George is back. He sucks.
Is Maxie going to miss what? A couple games. Who could have seen that coming? Three weeks.
Three weeks sucks. I think I think it's going to be the Brooklyn Nets situation there.
None of them are going to play together. Do you funny if the NBA investigated Tyrese Maxieiid also comes back next week.
What if it's just the entire season of load management for Embiid? No, Embiid's playing on Tuesday against the Knicks. But I'm saying if you don't make the playoffs, just an entire season of it.
We don't have a first-round pick this year unless it lands in the top six. Okay.
Cooper flag. Process.
We could be on flag watch. Are you doing the process again? We could be doing the process again.
What if you just did a mini process? Just one year of the process? Yeah. Try and get Cooper? Take a quick break, yeah.
Just take a 10 year off. I'm down to just not get upset about basketball.
Now I can tell you're not upset at all about basketball. I know.
I thought about that. Was that during your thoughts? I had some thoughts last thoughts last night i had plenty of thoughts and i thought about like what if i just like both of my basketball teams are just really bad that i just don't even get upset about them but i'm i'm gonna still get it so wait so they're gonna get imbeed back at the same time that maxi is gone and then imbeed's gonna have to play harder because maxi's not there correct and what what are the be honest Max what are the odds that Embiid starts in that first game that Maxie comes back I don't know I don't know I don't know one of them will be hurt but one of Embiid and or Paul George will be hurt by the time that Maxie comes back I don't think any of them we're not going to have a game where all three of them play.
No. No.
It's November. No.
Okay. Why are you talking about basketball, Max? Should we get to our interview with Coach Ron Rivera? Because it was a great one.
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Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend, recurring guest. It is Coach Ron Rivera in studio.
Great to see you, Coach. Let's start with this is the first season in how long that you're out of football.
It's got to be, what, 30 years? Close to it? Yes, it's 27 as a coach and throwing the other nine as a player. So how is it going not being on the sideline? Are you still locked into everything but in a different way? It's got to feel weird, I'm sure.
Oh, it feels real weird. It really does.
You know, it's funny. The first couple of months, it's great.
I'm playing golf. I'm getting out there traveling with the wife, doing all these things.
But then month four, it's like, damn, the draft is coming up, mini camps, OTA. I mean, you start thinking about those things.
Yeah. You know, and then you get into the off season where, you know, they finish OTAs, they finish mini camps.
So now it's like, okay, this is downtime. So now I'm on trips again, doing all that stuff.
And then all of a sudden, end of July hits and start a training camp. And that's really when I started to feel it again.
You get the itch. Yeah, you do.
But I am looking at it from a different lens. I'm looking at it as a commentator now.
I'm doing some stuff for the NFL Network. I'm doing some stuff for Westwood One and Sports USA, covering games, doing it on radio.
So that's been a lot of fun. I've actually had a great time doing it that way.
But I've stayed engaged with what's going on in the league. I've tried to map out some trends that you see.
I've tried to look into the analytics, understand that stuff even more. And it's been real interesting.
It really has. Yeah.
And I bet Sundays are a lot different for you. Do you like Sundays, like getting to sit down on your couch, watch every single game? So the first Sunday ever, I watched like nine hours of football.
Yeah. It's awesome, isn't it? It's the best.
No, it sucked. You know, because – It's too much? No, it really was.
It was way too much. Yeah, yeah.
Are you kidding? You can't handle all the football. No, you couldn couldn't we're football guys i i looked at my wife after the afternoon games before the evening game and i said i'll be right back she goes where you going i said for a walk i said definitely i've been inside for eight hours watching football i said i've eaten so much junk food i sit there and i've drank you know beer i mean i'm not that's that's not but i did all those things and and and i just felt i felt like a lump on a log yeah so i went out and i i just walked for about two and a half three miles came back and watched the last game of the night you're not in game shape like us you're not ready for it we do that and we do that every single sunday we just sit there for 12 hours and watch every single game.
There's no way. I was wore out.
I really was. But it has been interesting because, you know, when I do the TV show, you know, for Good Morning Football or I do the radio stuff, the one thing that everybody tells me is when you leave, when you're done, nobody's going to criticize.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's a fact. It's nice.
You don't have the second guessers. There's no TV show that comes on after your TV show to be like, what was Ron Rivera thinking here in block two? I know.
Should have used a timeout. It's interesting as hell.
It really is. Yeah.
When you were coaching, did you ever have a guy who was basically standing next to you who was like, hey, here's when to use a timeout, here's not? Because that's my favorite part about being a fan is we don't know football like any of these coaches, but if you screw up a timeout

or you screw up a fourth down decision, that's one we can point to and be like, what the hell

was he thinking? What you do is, for the most part, is I had a checklist, okay? And it's one

of those things that Mike Shanahan, when he was rolling and won his back-to-back Super Bowls, he

did this article in USA Today, and they talked about this checklist that he used to have,

And he's going to help me with the timeouts? Which coach did I have talk to me about the timeouts? Who had that chart for the two-point conversion? Yeah. Okay.
And then who was watching upstairs to whether or not I should challenge or not? So what we started was we came up with, you know, some of our coaches that we felt were really good with that. And we would have this meeting every Friday, and we would go through these conversations of, hey, we get down to fourth quarter, who's got the timeouts? Who's got this two-point shot? All right, this is what we want to do.
And so we would go through what the situation could potentially be so that if it did come up, we were prepared and we knew how we wanted to handle this. That's fascinating to me because, yeah, through years of playing Madden and watching sports on TV, the fan feels like they know that game management part.
And there's a lot going on during the game for a coach too, so it's probably – it shouldn't be on their shoulders to know exactly what to do and when to do it. And then what's kind of infiltrated our game has been the use of analytics.
Yeah. You know, and it's crazy because there's certain aspects of the game that are not measurable.
And there are some aspects of the game people don't believe it. It's crazy because people that truly believe in numbers, pure analytics, do not believe in momentum.
Don't believe in the emotional part of the game. There's an emotion that goes throughout and a player's body, throughout a player's mind, and the fans can impact that.
They can change it, okay, with the way they cheer, the way they react. I mean, this is not measurable.
And so people that truly believe in the numbers don't understand how you can sit there and say, well, momentum has taken over. I think there's definitely a big place for analytics in the game, but you also need to take that into account with what scenario you're dealing with and a coach that understands the flow of the game and understands what his players are feeling and thinking and understands, you know, he knows his team better than anybody else does.
So you know what your defense can do if you choose to go forward and forth and you don't get it. It's a big conversation that's kind of all weaved together.
You are famously now known as analytical Ron. Yeah.
No more riverboat Ron, right? No. I want to tell you the story of riverboat Ron.
Okay. Okay, so my first two years, I had this crazy record of being three and 13 of games the size of my score or less.
And at the end of my second year, I sit down with the previous owner, with Jerry Richardson, and we would go through the previous season, talk about what happened, how things went. We would go through each game, talk about what went on in each game, how things were.
I mean, I spent a whole day with him going through all this stuff. And when I finished up, I said to him, I said, you know, Mr.
Richardson, one thing I want to talk to you about is I want to reach out. I think I need a mentor.
One of the things I didn't do on my original staff was I didn't have a previous head coach on my staff, NFL head coach that could sit there and help me work through some things. And, you know, and he kind of started to chuckle.
And he goes, takes us. I'm trying to show you while we're on the radio.
I said, he pulls this index card out and he says, read this. And he slides it across to me.
I turn it over. It was John Madden.
It was his number. He was thinking the same way I was because I was going to say to him, I want to call Coach Madden and talk to him.
And he had thought the same things. And he looks at me and goes, he's expecting your call.
Oh, my God. So I call Coach Madden and we start talking.
I said, I'd love to come out and visit with you. He said, great, great.
He says, let's plan for early March. And I said, great.
I'd love to do it then. He said, hey, I understand you were 3-13 and games decided by a scoreless.
I said, yes, sir. He goes, why don't you go back and look at those? See if there's something you could have done different.
I said, okay, great. And you saw me today.
Yeah, yeah. I wrote a 20-page report.
I watched those 13 games, and I wrote up some things about what we could have done and what should have happened, my decisions that were made and why. So I go out to see him.
Go out to Pleasanton, California, where he had his headquarters for Madden for the game and all that stuff. I think it was called Red Bear Ventures.
So I go to his office. We sit down.
We start talking. And he paid homage to the Raiders.
Everything was silver and black. He had all kinds of memorabilia.
He had a seven-man Crowther sled in his parking lot. I remember that, yeah.
Yes, he did. So I went and saw him.
We started talking. And I said, oh, I got this report for you that I did.
What report? Well, the one you told me about the 13 games. He said, that's not for me.
That's for you. What did you learn? I said, well, you know, and I opened it up.
I said, well, like this one. You know, we were up by three.
And excuse me, I said, we were up by two. and I thought, you know and i opened it up i said well like this one you know we were up by three and uh excuse me i said we were up by two and you know and i thought you know if we get the if we kick the field goal you know they got a score touchdown to beat us and but they did he says yeah exactly what could you have done i said well could have gone for it yeah he said exactly why didn't you go for it i said well you know kicked field i mean i didn't think he said he said ron he said think about these things i said well you know and then this one i punted and you know it was fourth and one and i you know he said ron you know enough football you've done enough football to do these things yeah you know when's the right time to do it he said nobody else nobody else does you do you've done it and at that point what he made me do is realize you know i said to I said, you know, I was going by the book.
He said, nobody else does. You do.
You've done it. And at that point, what he made me do is realize, I said to him, I said, I was going by the book.
He said, what book? And maybe I said, well, you punted when you should punt and kicked in. And so I realized I was doing what was safe, what was acceptable.
Because back then, nobody went for it on four. And he was right.
So the next year, we were playing the Giantsants at home and in our first drive I went for it on fourth down twice. In fact, the last one was fourth and goal and we converted, scored the touchdown and then I did it again in the game.
So then another week later we were playing Minnesota-Minnesota and I went for it three times in that game. In fact, the first time we scored, it was fourth and three.
And Mike Shuler called a shovel pass and we scored. And so we win the game.
After the game, local media, they're interviewing some of the Panther fans. And, oh, that's great.
Yeah, Coach, you're doing all that. That's amazing.
It's great. To get to this one guy, he says, boy, that old Ron Rivera, man, he's just like a riverboat gambler out there he's making decisions on fourth down that's i mean that's something he's gambling out there i mean oh riverboat ron i'm telling you and that's how it started that's great and you also had maybe the best fourth down or at least the best short yardage option maybe of all time in the nfl with cam newton yeah so if you're fourth and three fourth and two just send Cam and he's going to run some people over.
We were like 95 or 96% conversion rate with him. And I can remember one time I went and did it with Kyle Allen back there and we got stopped and somebody said, what happened? I said, we were about three inches and 35 pounds shorter.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's interesting because there is no book, but you actually made a book. Like 20 pages, I consider that to be a book.
Oh, yeah. I would have been upset.
I would have been like, Coach, can you just read my report? You don't have to read it. Just look at it and then just give me a grade.
Whatever you feel like. I did this 20-page report here for you.
Well, I'll tell you what. He gave me great advice.
He really did. And from that point on, that's the way I looked at it.
That's the way I looked at things. That's awesome.
I love the stories of like the evolution of coaches and how they get to these points because that's like coaching more than anything is like you always have to be adapting and learning and that's what the best coaches do. Well, it's kind of interesting now.
It's kind of gone the other way. There is actually a book now.
Yeah. And if you go by those numbers purely, they're going to sit there and say that's right you went by the numbers i mean i did a thing last well my last year we were playing dallas in dallas and it was a close game it had been a close game we get into the early parts of the fourth quarter it was fourth and two we just crossed over the the the midfield we're and I think, their 47.
And I went for it. But before I went for it, my thought was, man, we can put it down there, trap them.
We've been playing great defense all day. Force them on a three and out.
Get the ball back right here. Yeah.
And I hear the numbers say, go for it. I thought about it.
I went for it. We got stopped.
And the next thing you know, it was three plays they scored. Yeah.
That's momentum. Yeah.
It was over. We couldn't do anything about it.
That's exactly what happened. We created the momentum for them by having gotten stopped at midfield.
Yeah, I remember that game. I am a Commanders fan, so I remember almost every game that you coached in did i get criticized for that uh i don't think so because i think i think at that point it was like what you you got to try something you got to be aggressive you got to go for it sends a good message to your team if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out you you don't get criticized as much but think about if because we played good defense all day until that series.

We punt it down there.

Go three and out, and then they got to punt it back to us.

There is one thing I did criticize you for that I feel like I should bring up because looking back on it, it's a very funny sequence that happened.

Do you remember – this is like the Sean McVay test.

How many plays do you remember off the top of your head?

Do you remember there being four minutes, 44 seconds left in the fourth quarter against the Rams down 14 points? Do you remember that? Yep. Ball on the one yard line.
Yep. And then I think by the time we got done with that possession, I think there was like, I don't know, 30 seconds left.
They could take a knee. And I think it took us like four minutes to score a touchdown because every single play the play clock got down to like three two or one second left before we we snapped the ball what was going on what was going on in the head of yours and my mind was let's go let's pick up this tempo this tempo is guys we got it sometimes trying to to be too perfect as play callers we do that and so you're trying to make sure you have the right play, the right sequence.
You know what I'm saying? And you want guys to just, hey, sometimes you just got to wing it. Fun side note on that one.
I think it was the longest time ever to expire off of a game clock to get one yard and a touchdown. I believe in NFL history.
but then the thing that i did criticize you for on that one was uh it's an analytical thing so it's a numbers test you're down by 14 you score a touchdown do you go for two no i don't believe in it the problem with it is what happens if you don't well then you have to go for two next time yeah you go go for two the the next time. Right.
You kick it and you go for two the next time.

Well, so yeah.

So if you don't get the two-point conversion,

then you're down by eight points.

Right, but what happens to your momentum?

Well, you still have to score another touchdown.

I know, but what happens to your momentum?

Yeah.

So you just killed the momentum you got by scoring that touchdown.

You think if you don't get a two-point conversion?

What's wrong with putting it all on the line the very last play of the game?

You only go for two at the last play of the game.

I'm okay with that.

Like when we watched Todd Bowles the other day in the Bucs-Chiefs matchup.

Yeah, against Kansas City.

You're on the road.

You're playing a much better, healthier team.

Nobody expected you to win.

Go for it and end the game right there. Don't put the ball in Patrick Mahomes' hands in overtime.
Right, and I think that's part of your thought process when you get into games like that is who's their quarterback? Yeah. Okay.
What can I do to have things happen, make things work? And if it is against a Patrick Mahomes, I'm going for two at the end of the game. Yeah.
Okay. And I'll look at that thing.
And that checklist is one of the things that's on it. Who's the quarterback? Yeah.
Okay. But underneath it, I put things to consider.
How are we playing defensively? I'll tell you a great story. We were playing in 2013, first time we were in the division in like seven years.
Okay. And I just got there.
This was my third season. We're playing the New Orleans Saints at home.
Okay? Our punter had been kicking the ball great all day. Been pinning him inside the 20.
Just killing him. Just doing a great job.
Defensively, it was a low-scoring game. So we were playing very well against Sean Payton's offense.
And I thought, man, if we can punt it down there, get it inside the 15, the 10, go three and out, man, we'll be right back at midfield. So I punted, okay? I punted.
One of my best friends in the world, Tom, I can't tell you his last night, but Tom calls me. Brady? No.
Oh. Calls me.
Coughlin. Calls me, okay? It's Coughlin.

While the game is happening and says,

Ron, what are you doing?

You'll never get the ball back.

Now, my phone's inside my locker.

Okay, no, no.

It's inside my locker.

Okay.

Okay?

What are you doing?

You'll never get the ball back.

I can't.

And he hangs up.

Okay?

Three and out.

They punt to us.

We get the ball. Score the touchdown to win the game okay i was getting killed i was getting killed on tv by it yeah okay so i finished the game i go into my locker and my phone is just blowing up i go what the hell so i look at it see my friend's name i said let me listen to it so i listened to it what are you doing you'll never get the ball back i can't i can't believe he hangs up then all of a sudden there's another one from him disregard that last message oh man tom coughlin was wrong no it wasn't coach coughlin it wasn't but but the point being is that sometimes you have to look at it and say, this is the right thing to do, which it was.
Because we were playing good defense. Our punter was on, spot on.
And so I took the shot. Yeah.
All that other stuff does make a difference. You can't just go by the numbers.
Right. It really doesn't.
There's a feel to the game. I think the numbers help a lot.
Right. But think think about it sean payton you know your drew's your quarterback i mean come on you know you give him the ball at midfield he's going to get into field goal range yeah yeah you know now it's a different game yeah now you're down two scores as a uh as a washington football slash commanders fan i i saw you go into that franchise guys, and what I least for the last 25 years has been basically an unwinnable situation with all the chaos and your first like three seasons, there were so many off the field storylines that happened that it was just chaos for you.
And I, I, I firmly felt that it was, it's a raw deal for anybody to walk in that environment added onto all top, all all that stuff on top of it, you kind of had to oversee a name change to the team. What was that process like? Was it Dan being like, we're going to call them the commanders? And I'm going to put a camera in your face and be like, hey, yeah, good name.
It was very structured. No, they really did do a good job doing all the marketing research, trying to figure it out.

First of all, as soon as they found out there was going to be a name change, you should have seen how many people claimed the names that were out there. Oh, yeah.
Red Wolves was claimed. Red Tails was claimed.
You know, it's just going down the list. People kept, you know, getting the copyrights to all this stuff.
Yeah. You know, the trademarks to all this stuff.
And, and, and so, you know, people were jacking prices up and, you know, just basically holding them for ransom. And, and so, but anyways, what they did, what the organization did was they, they went out and they hired a marketing firm that came up with a number of different names.
And then they started interviewing alumni. They interviewed fans, um, people throughout the league to get their opinion on things and then they came down with what were the top 10 and then they brought them to me and gave me an opportunity to look at them tell me which ones that i like the most and which ones you know um i really like the warriors because of the native but but the whole point was to get away from being native well warrior hey no because of the soldiers the military I mean that was a big part of it the military reasoning behind it that's why how they came up with commanders yeah you know because you think of all the way from george washington you know all the way to schwarzkopf i mean to all these great military leaders that were in dc yeah these were the people that they also wanted to pay tribute to, and I think that was a big part of it and a roundabout way of keeping the native emblem involved.
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And now here's more Ron Rivera.

So you went from David Tepper to Dan Snyder as owners.

You got to see both those management styles.

What's the difference between the two of those guys?

I think Mr. Snyder, Dan, was very reactionary,

and he was impacted a lot by things around him. And he was somebody that was really, truly a fan.
He loved everything about the Redskins. He really did.
And I think that was one of the things that drove him to become the owner of the Redskins was that this was his chance. He everything about him but he was very emotional about it and and really got vested in it and wanted to win but didn't quite understand how to go about it you know and and he he was trying to find the right way to do it and and there was just there was just there were too many outside interferences to to get it done the way you wanted it.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense.
It was a mess. Yeah, the off-the-field stuff in D.C.
for years was like, it's hard to focus on winning football games when you have to deal with, like, lawsuits, stadium breaking down. But where it really became a hassle was it infiltrated the locker room, Okay? And every time something came up, I would plead with the media to, hey, just stick with me.
Ask me the question. Don't ask the players.
I got mad a couple times. I said, why do you want to go and ask these guys? These guys weren't here when it happened.
Yeah. So why are we asking them? So I came up with this, hey, let's talk about what's important not what's interesting okay what's interesting is all that what's important is what we do on the football field i'm not saying what happened to these people is not it is not important i'm just saying for us for what we do in our lives is football let's stay focused on that that that was my battle every day was when something came up every day.
Every day I had to deal with it. Yeah.
So you also, in your travels, you've been part of basically the only time the Bears have been good when they obviously won the Super Bowl in 85 and then went to the Super Bowl in 06 as defensive coordinator. What was it about Buddy Ryan? What's your best Buddy Ryan story? Because I mean, I love Oh, my gosh.
I think there's a thing in Chicago where it's a little too much talking about 85 Bears because we haven't had anything else to talk about. Got to move on.
But whenever I hear a Buddy Ryan or a Dicka story, they're always the best. So what was it about Buddy or what was the story that encapsulates Buddy? You know, Buddy had this way of tearing things down to build it back up.
And he really did. I mean, he got on you and he wanted to make sure you understood that we were not going to be the reason we didn't win.
We were going to be the best and that was it. And he pushed people.
He pushed us. He really did.
He got after us. And if you couldn't keep the personal side separate, you took it too personal.
Okay. And I understood and I got it right away because I grew up in a military family.
And so, you know, you've seen it. You've seen drill sergeants get on people.
Shoot. I was walking down the street as a kid one day, and this lieutenant colonel stops his car and starts yelling at all of us.
Next thing you know, we're lined up shoulder by shoulder. We're walking down the street.
We're picking up garbage, putting in a garbage can. And then he says, well, I'm going to take all your kids' name and call your parents.
So you run home, and so you tell your parents hey you know Colonel Smith he pulled us over and

had us do this this this and this and we really weren't doing anything wrong daddy's and we starts laughing I said that was so funny he goes the colonel just wanted you to clean up the park yeah he thought it was a mess yeah it's not personal yeah it's just yeah and so then all of a sudden you realize that there's a reason why you're being told to do things that you don't want to do. Yeah.
You know, and it makes sense. But for me, personally with Buddy, and I'm forever grateful to him for this.
So my rookie year, Buddy used to stand behind defense about 35, 40 yards back, and he would watch the plays. And the way we used to do offense, defense, it was 22, 24, 25 plays in a row for offense, then 22, 24, 25 plays for defense.
So Buddy would stand back there, and he would just signal the plays into Mike Singletary, and then Mike would call the defense, and we'd take our snaps and go through it for 24 straight plays. So one day, probably about my third or fourth week in the league during the regular season I hear this Chico my nickname was

Chico Chico so he so I said yeah so I go running back there he doesn't say anything just points so I stand next to him he doesn't say a word to me for for a couple plays so then he signals in he goes what's the call so well you just signal 46 splits to formation he said okay good he said all right, formation, what's the call?

I said, oh, you want to run Samurai?

He said, okay, good. He said, all right, formation.
What's the call? I said, oh, you want to run Samurai? He says, why do I want to run Samurai? Samurai was Mike Singletary blitzing straight down the gut. I said, well, you want Mike to blitz inside because the two backs are in a split formation.
Because they're in a split formation, they're probably going to go fast out into the flats, and there will be nobody to pick Mike up, and he can get pressure on the quarterback. All right, you're paying attention in meetings.
So that's what would happen. He'd call the defense.
He'd ask me questions. He'd say, you know why I'm calling this defense? He says, yeah, you want Otis to jam the crap out of the tight end so he doesn't get a free release.
That's why we're in an under front. He said, good, good, good.
And he kept testing me and asking me these questions. Before I realized that he was training me.

He was teaching me.

So, you know, I finally get a chance to go in and play a game,

and it was against Detroit.

In Detroit, Mike gets hurt just before the half.

I came in and played the second half for Mike, and we win the game.

I played pretty well.

I actually got a scoop and score.

Dent, sack, cause, no, there was a swing pass. Dent hit the guy.
The guy fumbled it. I scooped it up and scored.
But the point being this is that he was preparing me for an opportunity to play. So when I finally got my opportunity to play, I was ready to go.
And Buddy had this great way of making you feel like, now Chico, when you go in there, if you screw up and use used the f-bomb on me i will pull your ass out so fast you wouldn't know what happened so i went out there and i mean i was you know i didn't want to make a mistake yeah he set the expectations i would assume too like that ability to teach you and have you comfortable where you could play free because that's the teams that play free fast yeah right you play fast is right. You play fast.
It's exactly what he did. He wanted us to play fast, and he always talked about playing fast.
But, I mean, just the way that I was getting this education, standing back there with him watching as things were happening, it was amazing. That's awesome.
And, you know, people should watch the pro football show that's coming out. So this is coming out on Friday.
So tonight the pro football show will also be out, which was great. We went through every game.
I did bring up one bad thing that I wanted to get a little more on because we kind of moved past it. But you were part of the 2010 Chargers, the number one offense, the number one defense, the worst special teams of all time, 9-7.
What does it do to a team? I feel like fans, we forget special teams, and we don't really. Everyone knows it, but it's like, oh, until there's a missed kick, then you start talking about it.
What does it do to a team I feel like fans we forget special teams and we don't really everyone knows it but it's like oh until there's a missed kick then you start talking about it what does it do for a team when your special teams is costing you games in that way and you're like we just have to keep going out there because that was an incredible team that should have been in the playoffs it was but it was very deflating and the thing that you have to look at is what caused it what caused it was there were several major injuries and so the next man up mentality was guys off the special teams yeah so now these guys are in full-time roles and so now you where does where your special teams guy come from yeah it comes from the street and he's not as good as the guys that have been playing so now that special teams coach has to retrain a group of guys that he's not familiar with and that year we had a number of injuries where we're just putting guys plugging guys in and you know next thing you know you know guys that were defensive ends or outside linebackers that were running down our kickoff now they're getting they're getting opportunities to play that's the year sean merriman got hurt yeah you know and and and so we had to take a guy and plug him in to play for us. And he wasn't on the spell, and he was a big loss.
Yeah. So when you lose guys that were a big impact for it, it happens, but it's very deflating.
Yeah, did you ever think about just kicking it out of bounds every time? Well. Even on kickoff, just be like, we'll just take the.
Yeah, that was a tough one. I mean, no, I know exactly what you said.
Yeah. There there were some tough and you would you would expect that you know we'd be able to get through it and unfortunately we didn't and it did show got punts blocked return for touchdowns punts return for touchdowns kick I mean that was that was tough on it really was yeah hard thing yeah and you and you and it was you know previously you were with you know the Bears and Devin Hester did you count from as a defensive, do you count special teams like punt returns as a touchdown for the defense? Because I kind of do.
The league does. Yeah.
That should be your touchdown. That impacts you.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because it's like we did our job, and Devin Hester's an extension of the defense here.
Yeah, so it's crazy. I'll tell you a great story.
So my first year in the league as a head coach, we're playing against the Bears. And my special teams coach comes to me and says, look, this is the plan we used when I was with this other team.
We would mortar the kick away from Devin as high as we could, 35, 45 yards. We just accepted the fact that the ball's only go 35 to 45 yards.
We're not going to put that kind of pressure covering him, coach. I loved it.
I thought it was a great idea. We could eliminate Devin.
Well, our kicker wasn't – our punter wasn't all in. He said, oh, you know, he was worried about his average.
Yeah, and his next contract. Right, and he's going, you know, hey, I can angle kick it away from him.
I can directional, you know, kick it out of bounds.

But I can get it out there.

I said, look, I like the plan.

We can control what happens.

We can kick it high.

And if it's 35 yards, that's me.

I'll accept that.

Okay, but we're going to over-the-top mortar kick it,

just like the Aussies do with that back spin.

So we get in the game. Very very first one he kicks a line drive and one second Devin was over here the next second he was crossing the goal line yeah and I lost it I went over there and I said if that ball is not mortar kicked high we will have an issue so after the game we lose by seven yeah or six whatever it was but we lost because of the return we had a chance to win that game so as the media does i'm getting killed ron you were here why would you why would you kick it to him i said look we had a plan unfortunately we didn't we didn't execute the plan the we wanted it to.
And that's the truth. Yeah.
Okay. So I never read the paper when I was a coach.
I never, and I very rarely ever listened to any broadcasts. So I'm getting ready for my team meeting the next Monday morning and my wife calls.
I think you need to look at the paper. I said, what are you talking about? She said, just read it.
So I find the article, I read the article. And they had gone to a player and said to the player, he said, you know, why would you guys kick to him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And the player says, well, you know, what we did last year was good, it worked. I said, what you did last year was good.
It worked.

I said, what you did last year worked.

That was it.

Yeah.

I had this presentation all set to, you know.

No, I walked into that meeting room,

and every player was seated, and I said,

you know, I found the sword.

I took the brunt of it, okay?

I accepted the blame on kicking the ball to Devin Hester. That was not the plan.
The plan was not that. I said, but somebody told me what you did last year was good enough.
If being two and 14 is good enough for you, you're not on my football team. I don't need people like that.
I need people that want to aspire to be better than that. If we're not going to do the things that were asked, you don't belong here.
threw the paper down and walked out wow yeah so devon hester and that and then you the turnaround starts so devon hester that moment was probably pretty galvanizing for all the guys to buy in well for those who didn't buy in it sure wasn't yeah yeah yeah those that did buy and did believe what we were trying to do that what happens is when you go to a team you got to get you got to get past what i say is here we go again okay we can't always fall back to what i used to do because if what you used to do is what got the other guy fired we're not going to do okay we're going to go out and we're going to find the right way to do it and we're going to do it the right way a lot of things that i tried to do were the things that i had learned from mike dicka buddy ryan um norv turner andy reed and lovey smith okay everybody there was successful and they had a plan and they did things the right way yeah i like i like hearing you fired like that. I feel like we just got our ass chewed out.

I want to be like, sorry.

I'm ready to be all in.

I'm sorry that they punted to that master coach. Yeah.

Have you ever chewed a guy's ass out too bad

and you have to walk it back and be like,

maybe I went overboard on that?

I did.

I did.

And the biggest thing that I felt I did,

and it happened in Carolina,

was I apologized in front of the whole team.

I said, first of all, whenever I get mad at you guys, please don't ever think it's personal. Okay? And if you ever do feel it's personal, please come see me.
Alright? I did it one time as a coordinator too. And did it to a very good football player too.
Who didn't talk to me the rest of the day. And so I asked him to come into my office and he did and we started to talk and that's when I that happened before I became a head coach and that's when I realized it appeared and it seemed personal so I got in front of the guys and I apologized when I was the defense coordinator of the chargers to the to the whole group and to the players specifically then when i did it in carolina it was you know and it cost us a game but it seemed personal and it should not have seemed or felt personal in my opinion so that's so so at that point i have to apologize yeah yeah in carolina um when cam newton would text you would he send you to text in that weird font yeah yes first time you First time you saw that, you were like, what the hell is it? Is it hieroglyphic? Basically, it was, and I was trying to read it and understand it.
I'm going to tell you what. That was one of the greatest competitors I've ever been around.
It really is. I mean, he did things the way you should do them.
When you're on that football field and you're in those meetings, that's how you do things. It was tremendous.
I remember one time, I'll never forget, I walked into the quarterback meeting room, Mike Shula running the meetings, and Cam was upside down on his chair. He was leaned over and watching it like this, and I'm sitting there, and I didn't say a word.
So they finish the meetings. We're out to practice.
And Coach Shula comes up to me and says, Coach, this is the play that you walked in on. I said, okay.
I watched the play. He threw it perfectly.
Play action, off a waggle action, whipped his head around, spotted the free safety, and threw it opposite, away from the leverage. Big play.
I didn't say it worked. So Cam comes up to me.
He starts reciting the play. And I said, hey, whatever it takes, however you do your thing you be you yeah you can watch it from whatever angle you want to it was amazing though but he could repeat i would go through a whole meeting and not think he was paying attention yeah and i would just look at him he'd come up to me and he'd recite it almost verbatim.
You'd sit there and go, dude. I mean, I just – but it was him.
That's who he was. And so his focus, his attention, it was there.
Yeah, yeah. Has there ever been a point, as you're dealing with personnel and head coaching, where head coach Ron Rivera got pissed off at GM Ron Rivera? You know, when I was in Washington, I had some responsibilities that quite honestly, I really didn't like having.
Yeah. Big part of it was, was, was with personnel and you sit there and you make decisions sometimes based on what you're told you have a salary cap or you have injury factors and you start listening to, to the, the, the financial side of And you start listening to the financial side of it.

You start looking at the impact of your salary cap on your roster

and the future and all this stuff instead of the moment.

Because you want to win in the moment.

You really do.

Because there's nothing like the here and now, as far as I'm concerned, because you're judged on the here and now. You're not judged on what's going to happen in the future.
Right. A general manager might be, but a head coach never is.
Right. Right.
Right. So I feel like that's something that I look around the league and I see teams that are clearly not in a position to win now, a team like the Titans, right? Yep.
They're trying to future that's definitely what they're doing they're making a bunch of trades get a bunch of draft

picks in uh so that's good for the front office the head coach his job is to win his coach is to

make these players play as good as possible but see if you do that early on when they first get

there and do it that way you have a chance to grow it and develop it you know because because

right now if you look at the titans what would you say to one thing that they really feel like

they need probably quarterback right because you look at everything else and you go wow this

Thank you. way you have a chance to grow it and develop it you know because because right now if you're looking at the Titans what would you say to one thing that they really feel like they need probably quarterback right because you look at everything else and you go wow this is I mean defenses they're playing solid rock solid defense they really are yeah offense they run the ball really well yeah you know then you sit there and go wow and they do have some talented young receivers that are going to grow and develop so let's put the rest of it together and if we get a chance to get a young quarterback, now you can build off of that.
It's funny because I was asked in a press conference a couple of years ago, maybe you remember, so what's the big difference between you guys and the other three teams in your division? My answer was quarterback. And people got smug at me.
I asked the same question the other day to a group of people. What's the difference between Washington right now and Washington I had? Well, they got quarterback.
Yeah. It's a quarterback-driven league, folks.
You kind of got us a quarterback. Yeah.
Thank you. You know what? I'm going to take back every bad thing I said about the end of the game in that Rams game.

Because without that loss, I don't have Jane Daniels. We're picking like fifth or sixth.

So thank you.

But it is.

It's quarterback.

No, it is.

It's quarterback-driven league.

And again, the approach being is that if you're coming in to begin with

and you accept that and you understand that and you're willing to be patient,

you can do that.

My first two years in Carolina, that's what Mr. Richardson did.
He understood that we were building. And what did we get? Quarterback.
Quarterback. We got our quarterback on offense and we got our quarterback on defense.
Luke Eakley, yeah. That's right.
Both guys at one point were rookie of the year and both guys at one point were the MVP of their side of the of the ball yeah i just think it's an interesting dynamic sometimes that you have a front office that all things being equal like for the titans we'll use them as another example again uh if they lose a game the front office is like not the end of the world our draft picks better if you lose a game as a head coach you're like shit this this feels awful like i'm I'm planning my entire week. I'm putting all my effort into making sure we win this football game.
And there seems to be like a conflict in what is a good outcome each week. And I just don't know how teams get around that.
I guess if you're building from the ground up as a first-year head coach, like you can have your eye on the big picture while still understanding he's going to go out there and try to win, right? Correct. I mean, and that to me is the thing.
I mean, you know, a lot of people said the worst thing that happened to us was I tried to win my first year, and we did. We won the division, but guess where we picked? 17.
Right. You know, I mean, when you're picking in the middle of the road and you have other needs, you end up sometimes settling.
And that's something that, in all honesty, looking back, gosh, I wish I had recognized and realized certain things too. I mean, it does affect the way you approach things.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, Coach, this has been awesome. I got one last question for you.
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You obviously had him in Carolina. At what point, and it might have been the minute he walked in the door, were you like, oh, my God, this is not only special but like a weapon like this that we get to use what what at what point were you like that's different i think it was you know when we put the pads on i mean that's when you kind of start judging but you put the pads on and and and you know we were a we were a power team you know we we were gap scheme we went downhill we tried to hit the crease and he pops one of the first ones he runs in full pads when it was it was a it was a um it was a thud drill you know where you could smack the court or the running back but you had to let him finish the run and he went through untouched so I went back in the huddle I said defense hey you can hit the you can hit the running back it's okay to hit the running back and we tried.
And I said, ooh, okay. So then I went back and I looked at it on tape, and it was pretty impressive.
It really was. It was.
But what I think you really realize it was, it was all the other stuff he did. He got out early.
He warmed up before practice. Okay? He got done.
He warmed down after practice. He went in.
He took care of his body. He got in the ice tub.
He got in the hot tub. He did all the extra stuff that you're supposed to do.
And he did it as a rookie. Obviously, his dad playing in his league, his wife.
His mother being an All-American soccer player had a lot to do with his growth and development because they understood what he was going to go through. And so he was that mature when he showed up.
Wow. Yeah, so right away.
That's very cool. Oh, he was tremendous.
I'll tell you right now, he was one of them. That's how great a kid he is.
Okay, I should say a kid. Young man he is.
We played him last year, and the game was over, and they had won, and that's when they were rolling. He was playing really well.
And so he came over. We shook hands.
We talked a little bit. And he said, Coach, you ever need anything? Just give a holler.
He said, you know what? I never asked you for a jersey. He goes, you can have this one.
I said, really? He said, oh, yeah. He went in, signed it, gave it to his equipment guy.
He said, put it in a plastic cover and send it to Coach. And they sent it to him.
I got it the next. It was really cool.
That's awesome. It was really cool.
I mean, he really is. He's one of my guys.
He was one of my favorite guys. He really was.
Just because of who he was and the way he did things. Yeah.
Yeah. And I guess I did a bad job right off the top checking in.
How are you feeling? Are you doing okay? Yeah, I am. Health is good? Thank you.
Yeah, I've got one more year left of doing my annual, and hopefully it'll come up and continue to be the way it's supposed to be. Very cool.
Glad to hear it. And you're watching every NFL game or trying to, maybe not every game, taking a walk for the afternoon games, but is there like a player that you've seen now that you get to watch the entire league where you're like, that guy is really, really underrated? Gosh.
You know, I know I've said that a couple of times just watching guys,

but I think about the flashes right now, and I think of Saquon Barkley jumping backwards. I think of watching Jayden Daniels, the way he plays with such confidence.
I mean, it's just tremendous to watch that confidence. Watching Matthew Stafford, you know, I got to do that game against the Raiders

and when he got Puka

and Cooper back out there. Just the way he played, it was just like, God, people don't understand the impact that those two guys have on the entire offense as well.
It was that impressive. Yeah.
Well, thank you so much, Coach. People are going to be listening to this after, but we're going to watch ball with you tonight.
I'm very excited. I'm looking forward to that yeah it's gonna be a great game uh and thank you we loved having you come by and anytime you want to stop back by it was awesome well i appreciate it guys thank you welcome back to another fire fest of the week brought to you by our friends at morgan and morgan you know it really sucks having a spider infestation out on your patio you know you know what really sucks? Getting injured.
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That's again forthepeople.com slash PMT or dial pound law, pound 529 from your cell phone. Okay, Firefest of the week.
Usually the couch starts first. Yeah, that's how we typically go and then the booth ends it.
So, Max? This is a Fire fest. I don't like being here.
What's wrong? On this couch, this is Hank's spot. Pug is forcing me here.
He's the president. You have to do what the president says.
I know, I know. I'm listening to the president for now.
Okay, so what's your fire fest? I was almost about to say something. Were you going to say Hank? No.
What were i don't know did you say it or you're gonna say what's your fire fest fat boy that is my fire i don't know why but you're sitting right here it's just different no i don't like it but that actually is my fire fest i started counting calories this week i started logging everything wait wait and thursday explain to everyone because i know why you're counting calories it's a very funny reason it's a very funny reason you told me this and i was just like what i think no i think you agree with me yeah no i think most people agree with me yes so my mom's been on my ass to get a physical i haven't got a physical in five years since like before i joined barstool so i purpose She's actually going to be listening to this right now.

Mom, I'm telling you right now,

I could have got a physical the day that I scheduled it,

but I got it three weeks.

I got a physical three weeks from the day I scheduled it so I could get three weeks of trying to lose weight

before I go to the physical.

Yeah, that's good.

You're getting in shape for your measurements.

I'm doing the same thing right now. I have a physical the week after you.
I haven't gotten one in 10 years. It's scary.
It's very scary. Is it going to be depressing if you go after a three-week diet to get your physical and they're like, you need to lose weight? No, that's a thousand percent going to happen.
But it's going to be less weight. But it's not going to be like, holy shit, you're going to die.
It's going to be like... No, it's still probably going to be that, but it's going to be loose but it's less weight but it's not going to be like holy shit you're going to die within it's going to be like and no it's still probably going to be that but it'll just be not as bad it's it's mentally it's like a longer version of uh you know brushing really hard and flossing right before the dentist right yeah and wait are you getting your physical right before thanksgiving yes smart man smart man literally the week before like the exact to the day the week before thanks should we share our results no i think we should no i'm getting one the week after you no i am not sure i'm not i'll share my results i'll share mine me and max are chasing 70 no i feel like we should all get physicals put the results on the table no i'm not putting this is this is hippa it is that actually is no i mean it's you sharing it i'm going to share mine you you're trying to make me share i'm not i'm just saying i'm going to share mine will you will you all all all tango let me see the result let me see what goes on and then i'll decide okay yeah you could flub some numbers but also the fire fest is we keep i'm saying this and hank and i are what we what we got for dinner tonight was absurd well coach rivera was here you know he spent a lot of time in his life in chicago and he was like hey i want some lumals and i want some portillos like no problem canes yeah he wanted look at the kitchen right now.
And we had a separate pizza place. Yeah.
We had two pizza places. Two pizza places and all the hot dogs and Italian sandwiches.
And chicken fingers. And chicken fingers.
And credit to Max, I walked through the kitchen at one point. Large, giant chocolate cake.
Yeah, so I was walking to the kitchen at one point and Jerry was like, Max, have some of this cake. Have some of this chocolate cake.
And Max was like, no, I can't do it. He was like, just have a little bit.
He was really pushing the cake hard on Max. Max was like, no, I will not eat that cake.
Good for you, Max. Yeah.
So I got separate sushi, and I'm tracking all my cows. And it's tough.
Sunday's going to be brutal. Yeah, it's hard.

Chasing 70.

Max, you're going to look like Bartolo Colon when you did the pitching thing.

It's going to be awesome.

Which, by the way, we're going to.

That's another fucking fire fest.

That's coming up.

That's coming up.

And teaser, it is nowhere near the challenge that BFT did last year.

No, come on.

No offense to our guys at UIC who are very welcoming.

Don't say it.

Let's not tease it.

Should we just say it?

No, I won't say it, but yes, they did.

Did they?

Yeah.

Yes, they did.

I couldn't remember.

Yes, they did.

Oh, man. They're that good.
They did. they did.
Yes, they did. I couldn't remember.
Yes, they did. So...
Oh, man. They're that good.
They did. Yeah, they did.
Yeah, they did. Okay.
He's the umpire. Okay, PFT.
Whoever that could be. So my Fyre Fest of the week, it's not for me per se, but it's for Brian Kelly.
Okay. In his shoes, I will submit this F uh lsu we love lsu we love lsu we love mike the tiger don't we we love mike the tiger great tiger go tigers they used to in the past have a live tiger on the sidelines during games which rocks that's what's awesome about college football which is they don't give a fuck fuck it put on the sidelines.
We'll figure out the liability later. They no longer have the tiger on the sidelines for, I guess, ethical treatment of animal stuff.
I think some of the advocacy groups got to them and said, hey, maybe don't drag this tiger around and bring him into a stadium where he gets confused. Okay.
So LSU said, okay, we'll take him off the sidelines. And that was kind of the rule for a long time.
And it appears that they are now bringing a Tiger back onto their sidelines this weekend. That's cool, right? I think that's cool.
However, it seems like it might be a fake Mike the Tiger that they're putting on the sidelines. Because people took pictures of Mike in his beautiful enclosure that he has on campus at LSU and they compared the stripes and they think that it's a duplicate Mike they think it's a fake Mike the Tiger that they've brought in and Mike is some who knows where Mike is he could have been abducted I hope he's safe if you can hear this Mike growl three times but the Mike the Tiger that's on the campus right now is allegedly a fake Mike that the governor of Louisiana got from some cat sanctuary in Florida.

Maybe Carole Baskin's cat sanctuary.

I don't know.

That's where hers is.

This is bad.

And they're going to use this new fake Mike the Tiger

and bring that Tiger into the stadium on Saturday. That's fucked up.
So it's going to be a fake mike the tiger it's it's a duplicate it's a clone the earlobes don't attach that's bullshit so there's some fucked up stuff going and now brian kelly has to be answering questions about whether or not the real mike the tiger is going to be in the stadium on saturday which is like that's that's such a funny scenario oh yeah yeah. It's Brian Kelly being like, why am I, why am I taking calls from the governor about whether or not I'm going to have a tiger sitting next to me during a football.
I love this, but it's the most Louisiana thing ever. Yes.
And I love that. It's, it's fun college football stuff, but I'm going to have my eyes on, on this mic that's going to be at the game.
And I'm, I can almost guarantee you it's not the real mic. Yeah.
In which case I am going to be betting against LSU. You have to, very hard.
Dude, that's going to be at the game. And I can almost guarantee you it's not the real mic.
Yeah. In which case, I am going to be betting against LSU.
You have to. Very hard.
You have to. That's the worst vibes possible.
A fake Tiger game. Can't do it.
You can't do it at all. Can't do it.
Can't have it. I stand with the real mic to Tiger.
Can't win with it. Nope.
Can't have it. All right.
I mean, my firefathers, I had kidney stones. Pass the big boy.
So we're on the mend.

Feel good.

Don't feel like my dick is going to explode every two seconds when I go take a piss.

Did I see you say on Twitter you had to piss into a sieve?

Yeah.

Did you not see me walking around with it?

No.

Oh, yeah.

That's what you got to do when you got the stones.

You got to catch them.

It's like a funnel.

And then it's got like a...

I was like a gold miner. And so i was just pissing through a funnel uh all week why do you have to catch it just so they can test it which i don't know what they're gonna say like you're a fat fuck and you're a piece of shit if they give it back i don't know i think they break it up they're gonna look at it and they're gonna say what is it wasn't made out of secondary mark yeah right if it's got like sodium or calcium then they're gonna be like well stop eating this and stop eating that.
And then you're going to say at it and they're going to say, what is it made out of? Secondary market. Yeah, right.
If it's got like sodium or calcium, then they're going to be like, well, stop eating this and stop eating that. And then you're going to say, okay.
And then you're going to eat the same thing. Yeah.
So it's good though that it's out. I feel a lot better.
Thank you for everyone. It was a shitty, shitty five days.
And now I also have to deal with when I was putting my daughter to bed tonight, she was like, can I tell my teacher that you got the rocks out of your belly tomorrow?

And I was like, yeah, I guess.

Like, we're just going to fucking. I guess it's like, well, what do you say? Like, no, don't say that.
Totally. Saying it right now.
Yeah, it is. It's fucked up.
Also, I just want to shout myself out. I finally I have a bad addiction to buying.
So I get into algorithms like parenting algorithms and I buy, buy, there's all these different toys that are supposed to be educational toys, and I was like, I'm like 0 for 30 lifetime buying these and having them just suck. Finally bought a good one, and it's big.
But then I got reminded how bad I am at this. So I feel back, though.
Nice work. It's a little puzzle toy.
That's why you keep buying buying because you're at the gold mine just keep going just keep going uh all right uh max in the booth

no i mean we talked about it mine was going to be also my uh

cheese in 70 my issues with with dieting and trying to fat ass but yeah trying to lose weight

uh sucks yeah what are you doing i'm just eating healthy calories in calories out uh

Here we go. Fat ass.
But yeah, trying to lose weight sucks. Yeah, what are you doing? I'm just eating healthy.

Calories in, calories out. And just trying.
Again, I have realized that I can't not snack when I'm here. This is such bullshit.
I can't not snack when I'm here. So I just bought it.
I eat grapes, watermelon, yogurt. Max, this isn't right.
Yogurt. This isn't right, Max.
There was a moment during the stream today that Hank and I both went to the other part of the basketball court to get our healthy snacks while everyone else was eating. We're in this together.
You know, it's the same number. Yeah, but Hank, you got to get strong, too.
I know. You need those muscles.
I know. I'm still working out.
That's why it's very hard to lose weight and gain muscle. You know, it would be very funny though i'm sorry hank that you're going through this thank you you know it'll be very funny is if you guys met in the middle yeah i could the second that this dunk shit is over i am going to bulk up so hard because not having to worry about what i'm eating and calories in and just calories up bulk season i season, I'm down.
Hank, you would look hilarious if you were like 220 pounds. I don't think I'd get to 220.
He tried to do that. I also did not get to 220.
I got to 190. He got a cumbell.
Because all he did was drink. Just drink milk.
I drank whole milk. I don't think I've been 220 since I've been 8th grade.
I've been doing a gallon of whole milk a day. Okay.
Let's finish off with numbers. Three.
Three. 99.
17. Wow, really, man? Yeah.
That's a shot at the president. Yep.
We'll go 97. Hank doesn't believe in those.
40. Four.
I thought he just said three. Four.
Is Hank just saying multiple numbers? No, I forgot. I forgot me.
It was three. I thought you were three.
I'll do 40. Wait, so three's back open? Yeah.
All right, wait. Numbers.
Four. Three.
Four. Four.
Four. Four.
Four. Four.
Four. Four.
99, Pug. 4.
Number 5. Fourth win.
I thought we were just taking each other's numbers. No, I'm doing top 5.
Top 5. Top 7.
Shane, get in here. 21.
Is it 97?

97 That would have rocked if it was 97

Alright, see everyone on Monday

Love you guys Thank you. Thank you.