NFL Week 9, Fastest 2 Minutes, The Bears Are A Disaster, The Lions Are Unstoppable + Jason Kelce And Joel Embiid Stepped To The Haters

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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take, week nine in the NFL. We're going to talk every single game from Sunday.
We're going to do fastest two minutes.

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Today is Monday, November 4th,

Speaker 1 week

Speaker 1 9.

Speaker 1 And I'm gonna get them. Some spread.

Speaker 1 Happy no-nut November. We start in Atlanta where the Falcons had a tough time defending against Rico charges as Dowdle scored a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, young thug Kirk Cousins looked like prime Jimmy Gowapolo throwing for three touchdowns.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys were forced to call on their DAC-up quarterback as Prescott hurt his hammy, but it was too little, too late as Cooper Rush did his best to be a modern-day warrior with a mean, mean stride, but fell short, leaving his fat coach to smash a tablet after the menu wouldn't load falcons 27 cowboys 21

Speaker 1 we go up to the meadowlands where dan all i do is quin quin quin no matter what had washington rolling and the team was looking animated as hi i'm troy mclaurin You may remember me from such films as the one-yard touchdown reception and the ten-yard touchdown reception.

Speaker 1 Not even a tight ball of Coke can save Wall Street as another Black Monday is imminent after Daniel Dow Jones continues to crash. The Commanders 27, the Gemini 22.

Speaker 1 Over to Western New York, where Amari Alex Cooper was ruled out pregame, but the Bills still had enough for the Dolphins to call Josh Allen daddy.

Speaker 1 The Bills started slow in the first half, but found a groove when Ray Charles Davis made the Dolphins secondary look blind on a way to a 63-yard score.

Speaker 1 The game came down to the wire, but Tyler, what are you going to do with all that base? All that that base on special teams. Hit a 61-yarder and no one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 Bills, 30. Dolphins, 27.

Speaker 1 We go down to Baltimore, where the Ravens said, let's get recorded.

Speaker 1 Let's get recorded. And here, hey, hey, as Patrick scored a touchdown to boat race the Broncos.
Tractor Cito ran for 100 big TDOs. The Ravens sit at 6-3-0.

Speaker 4 R.I.P.

Speaker 1 The Bridge Francis Gacchillo.

Speaker 4 He shoves it down Sean Payton's P-hole.

Speaker 1 Tract Dorisito. Ravens 41.
The Broncos 10. We head on to Philadelphia where Max was on the scene.

Speaker 1 Sagon Barkley was rumbling, bumbling, and stumbling. And then he hit him with an all-time 180.
Whoop! Over the head of the Jags defender.

Speaker 1 Finally, Jahan Fregatson reminded Eagles fans that he's on the roster after he had one of the biggest catches of the game.

Speaker 1 Zach Bonvoyaz was all over the field and looked like he was going to easily bid adieu to the Jags offense.

Speaker 1 But after a roaring comeback, it was Nicobi Jimmy Dean who risked it to get the biscuit and came down with a game-stealing interception. Eagles 28, Jags 23.
Thanks, Max. Over to Nashville.

Speaker 1 With the boy Henry Lockwood. Down to Nash Vegas.
Mason Rudolph the backup QB.

Speaker 1 Backed up and threw a nine-yard pass, which was complete to Nick. No, no, Vinette for a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Past fans were thrilled their rookie QB was back from a concussion protocol and said, we love the Drake after a second-quarter touchdown.

Speaker 1 The teams traded field goals before Nick, Russell, Westbrook, Akeen Was Salad momentarily gave the Titans a seven-point lead. And an overtime interception sealed the loss for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 And they were heard saying, actually, we hate the Drake, but at least he isn't the Caleb. Titans win 20 to 17.
That was hurtful, Henry.

Speaker 1 In Carolina, so what? We lose games. So what? We suck ass.
We're just having fun, and we don't care who sees. So what? Our owner's a dick.
That's how it's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 We're living bright, young, and wild and free.

Speaker 1 Derek Carmella, Soprano, was playing with a newfound furio after calling himself a psychopath this week, but it was too little, too late as the Panthers practice anti-Dennis Allen discrimination, further cementing him as a worst coach of all time.

Speaker 1 The Panthers win a football game.

Speaker 1 Huh? The Panthers. The Panthers.

Speaker 1 The Panthers win a football game. Panthers 23.
Saints 22.

Speaker 1 We go to the

Speaker 1 Frozen tundra of Green Bay where Jameer, Jameer are on the wall. Who's the fairest of them all?

Speaker 1 As the Lions came into the frozen tundra wearing their snow-white uniforms, making Packers fans look sleepy, grumpy, and dopey.

Speaker 1 Kentucky Kirby Joseph got on his horse and galloped home for a pick six to end the half, while Brian Branch Davidians took on the Green Bay TF and got lost, getting kicked out.

Speaker 1 But it didn't end up mattering as the Lions answered the Cam Bell yet again on the way to an easy win. The Lions 24, the Packers 14.

Speaker 1 Standing on a corner Jameis wins in Cuyahoga. Such a fine sight to see.

Speaker 1 It's a pick, my lord. Another pick, my lord.
Add another. That makes three.

Speaker 1 Jake Robins plays.

Speaker 1 The Browns are basic.

Speaker 1 Jameis thought his coach was back to Got La

Speaker 1 Sick.

Speaker 1 The Chargers 27, Browns 10, and that was the fastest two minutes for week nine.

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Speaker 1 All right, week nine in the books. We're finishing up Vikings, Colts, Sunday night football.

Speaker 1 There was a second there where I thought Sam Darnold was turning back into a pumpkin, but he seems to have righted the ship for momentarily. So we'll update this at the end.

Speaker 1 But were you getting nervous, too? A little bit.

Speaker 4 He looked a little bit spooked.

Speaker 1 He looked a little pumpkin.

Speaker 4 He was spooked. It was like seeing ghosts again for a moment.
He also did get hit in the face on another sack. They don't respect.

Speaker 1 The LSL doesn't like his face.

Speaker 4 I think it's that he's got such a large head that they're like, it's almost like you're asking, well, what was he wearing?

Speaker 4 Did he want to get hit in the face?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's free free reign on Sam Darnold's helmet at all times.

Speaker 4 Was he asking for it?

Speaker 1 Back-to-back weeks. But yeah, we will update that game after we finish everything else.

Speaker 1 Let's hop into week nine. So last week we had an incredible witching hour, insane games.
This week, it didn't feel like there were

Speaker 1 a ton of drama. Was Hank right? Hank might have been right.

Speaker 4 Was Hank right about the games this weekend? Although,

Speaker 1 didn't he, didn't he?

Speaker 1 Which game did he specifically? Oh, he went to the Falcons talked to him. That was a fun game still.
But was it? Yeah, it was still fun to watch Kirk Cousins go crazy. He was going crazy.

Speaker 4 We had like two decent games today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it wasn't the best Sunday, but that's okay because we love every Sunday. We hold it and cherish it and love it and kiss it and smooch it and have it sit on our lap and fondle it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, take showers with it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cuddle it.

Speaker 1 Little spoon. I'd like to make Sunday my little spoon every single Sunday.
All right, let's hop in the games. Bills, 30 Dolphins, 27.
This was probably the closest, best game early.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen and Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bills continue to be the Miami Dolphins' daddy. Sean McDermott's now 15-2 against the Dolphins.
And this was the Bills kind of M.O.

Speaker 1 this year where they start slow. They've actually been trailing in five games at halftime this year.

Speaker 1 They started slow, and then they woke up in the second half with a fumble that kind of changed the game when they punched out the ball of Mostert and then Ray Davis's long touchdown and Josh had 156 yards and three touchdowns in the second half and they held off a frisky Dolphins team.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Dolphins looked alive today. Josh had an incredible touchdown pass.
That's when it was, okay, he's your daddy. Right.
He is father and he's going to score whether you like it or not.

Speaker 4 There's nothing you can do about it. He was falling over, getting hit by like two guys and then just lobs a nice, easy, soft, catchable ball into the end zone.

Speaker 4 Anybody, like most other quarterbacks, if they get hit like that, they might fumble, they might hit the ground and hurt their shoulder.

Speaker 4 Josh is just like, okay, this is, I'm just going to push the buttons, and this is easy for me because I believe I can beat the Dolphins because I've done it a million times in the past.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 15 and 2.

Speaker 1 That's pretty crazy. That's ownership at a different level.

Speaker 1 The Dolphins, they're frisky. I'm going to stick with the Dolphins being frisky.
They don't know how to close games. I think they've lost their last three games by a total of 10 points.

Speaker 1 Their offense looks like it's somewhat back. Tua looks okay.
They just don't know how to close games.

Speaker 1 They score to tie the game, and you're like, oh man, the Dolphins are going to maybe be able to pull this out. And then they had the back-to-back.

Speaker 1 It was the Chop Robinson penalty and then the Jordan Poyer penalty. And then Sean McDermott deserves credit for this because Tyler Bass has not been great.
Tyler Ass. Tyler Ass.

Speaker 1 He missed an extra point today. He doinked one.
I think he missed a couple extra points last week or the week before. He has had maybe the yips, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1 And Sean McDermott was like, you know what? I'm going to fucking trust him with a 61-yarder, which if he misses that kick, the Dolphins, I believe, had one, maybe two timeouts.

Speaker 1 I think they had two because I think they used one to ice him.

Speaker 1 The Dolphins can basically turn around, get 20 yards, and try to kick a game winner themselves. That was a pretty risky thing to do.

Speaker 1 So Sean McDermott gets credit for trusting his kicker, which I don't know if I would have trusted my kicker in that spot.

Speaker 4 That's awesome because we will give him credit for trusting his kicker. If he had missed that field goal, we'd be like, Sean McDermott, you belong in prison for that.

Speaker 4 I think the guy missed an extra point. Why are you going to send him out there for a 61-yarder?

Speaker 1 I think as he was lining up, I was like, this is psycho, because it really was.

Speaker 1 When you have a 61-yarder, you're just looking at the field, and you're like, if he misses this, the Dolphins need a first down to try their own 61-yarder.

Speaker 4 And people always say,

Speaker 4 if your coach doesn't get something, and you're like, well,

Speaker 4 if it would have worked, we would have been praising him for making the right call.

Speaker 4 We need to to do more of the opposite, yeah, where we talk just about how bad of a decision it was because it didn't work out the way that we thought that it was going to happen.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but hey, listen, no, it was a 61-yarder, and it probably would have been good from 70. Yeah, he hit the dick off that ball.
That was, it was very, very impressive.

Speaker 1 And now you get a kicker who might have some confidence back, which is also like a nice free agent acquisition.

Speaker 1 Tyler Bass gets the game ball, uh, the bills are absolutely rolling, and even in a game where it's like it did feel for a little bit watching that game, because they were sleepwalking the first half.

Speaker 1 They had that, they had one good drive that Keon Coleman, the ball goes off his hands and picked in the red zone. And you're like, are the Bills going to lose this game? No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 The Bills are not going to lose this game. And the Bills are 7-2.
And the second best team in the AFC East is 3-6.

Speaker 1 That's pretty crazy that they have it wrapped up this early.

Speaker 4 Congratulations to the New York Jets who are in second place in the AFC East. That's huge.
That's huge. That's a big game for memes.

Speaker 1 That's enormous. So back.

Speaker 1 Almost back.

Speaker 4 Almost back. Second place is pretty good.

Speaker 1 There also should be.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be the one to start the conversation, but other people have started the conversation. Josh Allen should definitely be in the MVP conversation.

Speaker 4 Oh, he is in the conversation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he should be very much in it.

Speaker 4 I think if you look at the odds, it's like Lamar 250, and then Josh is like 280.

Speaker 1 And Lamar probably should win it again because he's been insane.

Speaker 4 But so is Josh. Josh has been really good, too.
The Dolphins, I would say there are so many teams that have two wins right now.

Speaker 4 I think there are nine NFL teams that have two wins, which doesn't seem mathematically possible, does it? No.

Speaker 4 To have nine teams with two wins, some of them are two and seven, some are two and six, but there are nine teams that have two wins. I think the Dolphins are by far the best two-win team in the NFL.

Speaker 1 The Dolphins are the best technical team.

Speaker 4 To be the best two-win team? Yeah. You think that's bad? You're going to be the worst two-win team?

Speaker 1 PFT, definitely. The Titans beat them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but that was a different team.

Speaker 1 True. Titans, I can't quit the Titans.
And Jameis?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 4 the Browns are also a different team. I would say the Browns and the Dolphins if we're playing the two-win Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I think it would be Dolphins one seed.

Speaker 1 Browns.

Speaker 1 No, no, it's a Final Four. Okay, got it.
So it's Dolphins one seed,

Speaker 1 Browns two seed, Titans three seed. So it's Browns, Titans in the first round, and I think it's the Jaguars in the four seed.
Okay. So Dolphins versus Jaguars,

Speaker 1 Browns versus Titans. Okay.

Speaker 4 I think the Dolphins win that game now.

Speaker 1 I think the Dolphins beat the Jaguars. Yeah, I think I have

Speaker 1 the Browns versus the Dolphins in the championship game for the two-win team.

Speaker 4 For the best two-win team in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Make this a tournament.

Speaker 4 That might be a pick'em.

Speaker 1 Put it on a Tuesday night. Yeah.
Give it to us instead of election coverage.

Speaker 4 Kill the man action. Kill the two-man.
Yeah. I would watch this.
The Tuper Bowl.

Speaker 1 The Tuber Bowl. And then just missing the Tuber Bowl, I would say, is

Speaker 1 the Giants. They were the first one out.
Yeah, yeah. They were the one that Lenardi's like, hey, look,

Speaker 1 they don't have enough on their resume.

Speaker 3 The Patriots played like five games without Drake May. I feel like you're not getting enough credit.
Different teams.

Speaker 1 Well, they also lost.

Speaker 3 They're a 402-win team.

Speaker 4 You lost the Titans.

Speaker 1 You just lost a two-win Titans team.

Speaker 4 You gave the Titans entry into the two-win club.

Speaker 4 If you didn't want them in there, you should have kept him out.

Speaker 1 Who was your other winner? You beat the Dolphins, right?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 They beat the Jets. I know they beat the Jets, but did they beat the Battle?

Speaker 4 Week one, they beat the Bengals.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So you didn't beat the Dolphins.
So, I mean, that's, I mean, if we're looking at it, if we're doing the Lenardi bracketology.

Speaker 4 I think the Giants have the best.

Speaker 1 Although the Giants, you can make the argument that the Giants did beat the Browns.

Speaker 4 I think the Giants have the best strength of schedule.

Speaker 1 The Giants do have a tough strength of schedule.

Speaker 4 No, I think if you look at the win percentage, I think the Giants of all the two-win teams, it's like

Speaker 4 they're number one.

Speaker 1 They played a gauntlet.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's what you get for making your schedule. You try to play competitive games, and Lenardi doesn't give you that respect.

Speaker 1 They're like the 2014, I want to say, Arkansas Razorbacks when Brett Bilma, like they won like six games, but they were maybe the best six-win team out there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because they were just going, they were playing everyone in the SEC and just playing everyone to like a 13-12 loss.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but to the Dolphins' point, I think that they, I mean, they hung in this game. They could have very easily won this game.

Speaker 1 The Dolphins are frisky. I think they'll be spoiled.
They're official spoiler. I don't know if they're going to sell.
They probably should sell. Like, what does Jalen Waddell do?

Speaker 4 He showed up out of nowhere in the second half of this game. Yeah, and then

Speaker 1 he had to minus.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so here's what happened on the last play because right when this happened,

Speaker 4 I turned to Jerry and I go, oh my God, what was Tua's passing yards over-under for today?

Speaker 4 His prop was 243.5 yards. That was the over-under.
Yeah. He had 254 yards

Speaker 4 with five seconds left in the game.

Speaker 4 He passed Jalen Waddell. Jalen Waddell ran backwards.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 For negative or sorry, it got pitched to Jaden Waddle. He did not pass.

Speaker 1 Jalen Waddell, yeah.

Speaker 4 But he threw a complete pass down the field, and then it got pitched to Jalen Waddell, who ran backwards for 16.

Speaker 4 Minus 24 yards.

Speaker 1 So Jalen Waddell finished his stats today with two catches, minus four yards, one touchdown.

Speaker 4 Pretty crazy. That doesn't seem physically possible.
No, that doesn't. That's how it happened, and so two of his over-under did not hit because of Waddle running backwards.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just, I feel like the Dolphins should,

Speaker 1 it's a wasted season. You know, you're not going in the playoffs.
You have some talented guys in the roster. Like, what, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe the Chiefs don't want another wide receiver now, but they still could use one, right? Like, what?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I think they said they're not done.

Speaker 1 If I were a 2-7 GM, I would just be trying to get as many draft picks as possible.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and this is what I don't know about Waddle because he's been MIA in a lot of games. I don't know if he has lost a step or if they're just not targeting him at all.

Speaker 1 No, two to no two.

Speaker 4 No two was a big deal. Yeah.
But I don't know. I don't know if Waddle is, is ⁇ he's still got the elite touchdown celebration.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he had week one, he had a huge monster game, and then since then, it's been, everything's been under 50 yards, and he's averaging, like, he gets like four catches a game.

Speaker 1 So he's not totally invisible, but I would. I'd start trading everyone.

Speaker 4 And even the announcers are going through the same things that you're going through at home when you're watching the Dolphins play. When Tua took off to scramble for that first round,

Speaker 4 who was the play-by-play guy?

Speaker 1 Kevin Harland. That was Kevin Harland.

Speaker 4 Kevin Harlan, I think he said, like, oh, no, like, during the middle of the play, because Tua is running with the ball. They're feeling the same emotions that you are watching him run.

Speaker 4 Just like bad things might happen on this play.

Speaker 4 But he looked good today.

Speaker 1 I had a moment. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 the Dolphins are frisky, and they will play spoiler, and they will probably win a game that they're not supposed to win late in the season and fuck someone else's schedule up.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to look right now. Ooh, maybe

Speaker 1 Yak Green Bay. That could fuck some.

Speaker 1 This is going to be cold. Never mind.
Yeah. Maybe like the Jets or the Texans.
That's a game they could win and just fuck everyone's schedule up. But yeah, the Bills are rolling.
I don't.

Speaker 1 The Bills are. Right now it feels like the AFC is just a lot of

Speaker 1 trasher figuring it out. And then the Bills, the Ravens, and the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 I like that there's a nice, like, understood order of operations at the top of the AFC, though. Yeah.
Because you got the Chiefs, obviously, number one, because guess what? They beat the Ravens.

Speaker 4 Ravens, obviously at number two because guess what? They beat the Bills.

Speaker 4 So there's not a whole lot of debate that you can have. I think that the Bills and the Ravens are both really, really good teams.
And I think either team could beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 But I think that the Ravens obviously have the Bills number for some reason.

Speaker 1 There's one person that's going to get very mad at us for this conversation. The Steelers are technically at the top of the AFC fourth.

Speaker 4 I think the Steelers. The Steelers are very good.
I put a future on

Speaker 4 last Monday to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the AFC, yeah, the Bills, the Ravens, and and the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 If you told me, if you gave me, well, I mean, it would be a dumb bet, but if you're like one of those three teams to the Super Bowl, yeah,

Speaker 1 I'd sign me up. That's going to happen, it feels like.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game, the game that Hank shot all over, the Falcons 27, the Cowboys 21. Hank, I know that you weren't excited about this game,

Speaker 1 but this game gave us many different things to take away. One, Bijan is awesome.
150 yards from the line of scrimmage. He was 145 yards.
He was awesome.

Speaker 3 Two. Is that like new information?

Speaker 1 No, but it's nice to see like every game that Bijan goes off. It's kind of

Speaker 1 nice to see because we spent all last year being like, when is Bijan going to go off? And now it's like he's arrived and he's so fucking shifty and so awesome and elusive. When he gets in space,

Speaker 1 you just know that he's going to make a guy miss.

Speaker 4 I think what Big Cat's saying is like it's really, it's really good for all the mock draft people out there. It's just nice.

Speaker 4 This guy's guy's different.

Speaker 1 I'm a Bichon guy. I like him.
I'm a fan of him, and I like to see him do well.

Speaker 1 And so every time he does well, I'm like, yes, that confirms that I am like, it's okay to be excited about a guy who last year felt like he was not being used properly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Two, we got Dak saying on the sideline, we fucking suck. That was pretty funny.
Yep. Three, Mike McCarthy smashing the tablet.

Speaker 4 That was very funny. Did the tablet say something about his brother?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Might have. Called him a slur.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or, yeah, maybe wrote an article about him. We got a lot of Philly things to talk about later.

Speaker 4 Phyllis, is it gay to date a pop star?

Speaker 1 Apparently, outside of Penn State. Actually, maybe.
Yeah, outside of a Penn State game, yeah.

Speaker 1 Three, four,

Speaker 1 four.

Speaker 1 Pam Oliver got a jersey from Steven and Jerry Jones. I don't know why.

Speaker 4 Journalism, baby.

Speaker 1 I still don't know why. I was trying to figure out why.
They like stopped. I don't think they stopped the game, but

Speaker 1 in the broadcast, they showed

Speaker 1 Pam Oliver getting a jersey. Were they trying to sign her?

Speaker 4 I don't know if they're trying to sign her. I don't know if they could afford her right now.
But I do think that

Speaker 4 for whatever reason, this is a move that you do when you're trying to get somebody to retire. Yeah.
Think about it. If they're still working, they're pushing her off the door.

Speaker 4 You're having like a retirement party for her. I don't think that has she said anything about retiring.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Max, means, can you look that up?

Speaker 1 And why did they get is it just because she does Fox? Yeah, Fox

Speaker 1 Cowboys.

Speaker 4 She's been doing it for a while.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I couldn't figure it out. That was very weird, but that was kind of cool, Hank.

Speaker 1 Five. I don't know what number I'm on.
Rico Dowdle's touchdown was sick. Yeah, it was.
That was a sick touchdown.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I looked for the same stuff, and I couldn't figure out. They gave her a jersey.

Speaker 4 Either Jerry knows something about her retiring, or this is Jerry being like, look, we need to get her off the sidelines for some reason.

Speaker 4 I bet you Pam Oliver has a lot of dirt on the Cowboys organization.

Speaker 1 This could also be Jerry taking a shot at those guys he yelled at on the radio, being like, see, if you're a journalist, this is how we treat you.

Speaker 4 I respect you. I won't hit you with a CD's nuts joke.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this game was,

Speaker 1 I enjoyed watching this game. It had a lot.

Speaker 4 I'll give you another thing that we can take away from this game, something fun. Yeah.
The Falcons reminded us that you cannot commit pass interference on a fake punt. Oh.

Speaker 4 So the Cowboys tried a very sad fake punt and threw it towards their gunner who got thrown down to the ground. The ball probably should have been picked off and returned for six, but it it wasn't.

Speaker 4 But it was a nice reminder that if it's the last guy closest to the sideline and they run a fake punt, you can do whatever you want to them.

Speaker 1 It's all legal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was that. It was the sad fake punt, and then it was also the fourth down end round with CeeDee Lamb that lost like 15 yards.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys are ass. They are complete ass.
That's also fun, Hank, watching the Cowboys be ass.

Speaker 1 The Falcons are good. This was a good win for the Falcons.
Kirk Cousins, I think if you looked at his stats this year, he was like the greatest quarterback of all time against the Bucs and then okay,

Speaker 1 like average to below average against everyone else. So it was good that he beefed up his resume against someone not named the Bucs.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, this is

Speaker 4 the highest back-to-back quarterback rating for any quarterback ever in Falcons history. Wow.
What Kirk has done the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 I think the Falcons are good. They still got to figure out their pass rush situation.
They did get three sashes today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is shocking.

Speaker 3 The MVP quarterback.

Speaker 4 Are we having the conversation?

Speaker 3 No, I'm saying

Speaker 3 that's better than Matt Ryan.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Matt Ryan did win an MVP. That's true.
I was thinking for a second, I was like, Michael Fake. Michael win an MVP.
This is actually.

Speaker 4 We should have talked about this on Friday. This is the matchup of Kirk Cousins versus the black Kirk Cousins.
Yeah. Remember when Amari Cooper called Dak Prescott? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Was Amari Cooper actually giving Dak Prescott the best compliment he's ever received in his life? I think so. Because that would be an honor.

Speaker 1 Because I'd take Kirk Cousins over Dak every day of the week. Yeah.
And I mean, the Cowboys are bad.

Speaker 1 I have a question. So, good win for the Falcons.
I actually do think the Falcons are good. I'm worried about the Drake London injury because he came out of the game after scoring a touchdown.

Speaker 1 He's very important. And again, their defense has to round into form a little bit more.
The Cowboys ran the ball.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys don't run the ball, and they ran the ball very well. Zeke is just,

Speaker 1 I don't even know what's happening. He just doesn't go to meetings anymore.
And and then he just, they're like, yeah, don't come to this game.

Speaker 4 Disciplinary reasons, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Zeke is treating the NFL like

Speaker 1 he's a kid on a youth soccer team. He's like, I can't make it to the game tonight because my sister has a violin recital.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know, but it had to be something bad for Jerry to be like, Zeke, you're not allowed to travel with me. Right.
Because I think Jerry, he loves getting the miles.

Speaker 4 I think they go straight to his personal credit account. Yeah.
Fly on airplanes. I think that he loves Zeke, too.

Speaker 1 He does, but the story I read, Zeke has just been late to a bunch of meetings, like multiple meetings.

Speaker 4 Which is shocking considering how fast he drives.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 My question, though, is this, and this is no discredit to the Falcons. Again, I do think the Falcons are good.
I said that four weeks ago when I was like, I'd take them in the NFC South over the Bucs.

Speaker 1 That was obviously the Bucs have a lot of injuries. At what point are the Cowboys no longer a good win?

Speaker 4 I think they're always going to be a good win because they're always going to be a satisfying win.

Speaker 1 They're a satisfying win, but at what point is it like, oh, they beat the Cowboys. That's a really good like the Cowboys are not good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, let's ask Max. Max, Max, you play the Cowboys next week, right?

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 rivalry games are different. Rivalry games are different for sure.
It doesn't matter when you throw out the record books, but you get what I'm saying. Like, the Cowboys are not good.

Speaker 1 They're not a good football team. No, they're not.

Speaker 1 But we're in our head because they've been, like, under Mike McCarthy, yes, they have not had playoff success, but they've been a very good regular season team under Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 1 So in your head, you see the Cowboys on the schedule and you're like, oh, that's a big game. They're a good team.
They're not. They're a bad team.
They have a lot of holes.

Speaker 1 Building the entire offense out of just CeeDee Lamb does not make any sense. Micah Parsons has been out for a while.
I actually think they should trade Michael Parsons.

Speaker 1 They never will, but that would be the smart move for Jerry Jones. So you're like, if you signed Dak Prescott to a big deal and you're like, he's the quarterback, you need some draft picks.

Speaker 1 You need to start getting depth around him and not just be like, hey, we'll pay four really, really good players and hope everything else works out.

Speaker 4 So did you see what Micah Parsons said about this game?

Speaker 4 He said,

Speaker 4 game of the year for them, game of the week for us. So he's still, they're still talking about the Cowboys being everybody's Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 That's my point.

Speaker 4 I don't think that they are everybody's Super Bowl, though. No, they're just bad.
It's just fun to beat the Cowboys. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 It's very fun to beat the Cowboys, but they're not a good football team. So,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 they're not.

Speaker 1 I don't know. They're not a playoff team.
No.

Speaker 1 They're not going to win. I'm looking right now at their schedule.
I think they're probably going to maybe win seven or eight games. And Dak,

Speaker 4 his hamstring is fucked up and his throwing hand's fucked up. His hand's fucked up.
They kept zooming in on his hand. It was swell.
It looked like he got stung by bees on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 He's all fucked up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Cooper Rush, credit to Cooper Rush.

Speaker 1 I like a backup quarterback that I know exactly what he's going to provide.

Speaker 1 And what Cooper Rush provides is he's going to throw the ball as hard as he possibly can to a receiver that has a defender draped all over him.

Speaker 1 Every single time, it's like a nine-yard pass rifled in there while there's a... cornerback literally on top of his wide receiver.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like an uncatchable ball. But uncatchable maybe for either team.
Yeah. So he knows where his receivers are going to be.

Speaker 4 He doesn't really have the knack of reading defensive coverages to throw it to an open one. But you know what? He gets rid of the ball on time.

Speaker 1 He does. On schedule.
He does. Well, maybe a little late.
Well, yeah, maybe a little late.

Speaker 4 Relatively on schedule.

Speaker 1 Yeah, relatively.

Speaker 4 Dak did have a sick touchdown pass today, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 4 A little bit lucky on the catch by Rico. It was a great catch bonus.
Yeah, that was a great catch. Dak bought a shitload of time scrambling around.

Speaker 4 So sometimes when plays break down like that, Dak is liable to make either the sickest play ever or the most boneheaded play ever at the end of that play. And we got the sick one today.

Speaker 1 And they were so, so bad on third and fourth down. I think they were three for 16, the Cowboys.
That was it. Like every time they got a third down, they just sucked.

Speaker 4 When you said that Drake London was injured after the touchdown, did he get injured? Did he do the bowling pin so much in the headstand?

Speaker 1 He left the game, I think, after the next series. So I don't know what his injury was.

Speaker 4 Because that headstand was sick.

Speaker 1 The headstand, it's a great job. Him and Amon Ra.

Speaker 4 Him and Amon Ra in what college was that? That was like some

Speaker 4 incarnate word. That guy did it.
It's an awesome, awesome touchdown celebration.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen the videos of, it reminds me of the videos of Mike Tyson, his old training that he would do for his neck. He would do neck bridges.
So it was basically like a plank on his neck.

Speaker 1 He would be in plank position, but it would be his neck, not his hands or his elbows. He would do that for like 30 minutes a day.

Speaker 4 It's a great exercise.

Speaker 1 And his neck would just get so fucking strong. Because I see those celebrations and all I can think about is you're going to get hurt.
You're going to get paralyzed.

Speaker 4 He's going to break your neck. The Chargers could probably do that with their strength coach.
Yeah, Ben Herbert. He's probably just going to work that neck out.

Speaker 1 Well, I saw they did a pregame

Speaker 1 thing

Speaker 1 on the balcony where we interviewed Khalil Mack, and it was J.J. Watt interviewing Bosa, Khalil Mack, Ben Herbert, and Harbaugh.
And I just was sitting there being like, damn, those are all our guys.

Speaker 1 Like, fuck.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, that was fun just seeing Ben Herbert.

Speaker 4 That's a lot of test sauce around that.

Speaker 1 Coach Herbert, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sweet. Drake London, I'm reading right now.
right hip, hope just a contusion.

Speaker 1 That's from

Speaker 1 Twitter doctor, Jeff Mueller. Okay.
I trust him. We're hoping for a bruise.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 My understanding, and this is from James Palmer. My understanding is Falcons, Drake Lund is dealing with a hip pointer and an oblique strain.
It doesn't appear to be a serious concern.

Speaker 1 I don't think you can get it. I think that's one of those things, oblique strains, like that's why you shouldn't try to get abs because you can't.

Speaker 1 I could never get an oblique strain.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you can't pull fat. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's never going to happen to me.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next game.
Hank, was that enough fun things to talk about?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think I was right, but that's.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think you were right.

Speaker 1 Did you hear about Pam Oliver? I saw, yeah. Oh,

Speaker 1 30 seasons. Is this the 30th season? Yes.
So everyone's doing it. This is just from earlier in the year from the Niners.
I'm not dead yet, but I'm having a great time. I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 So they are trying to get her. Yeah, that's retired.
That's crazy. We love Pam Oliver.
Okay. Ravens 41, Broncos 10.

Speaker 1 The not ready for prime time Denver Broncos, who I still are, you know, they're not a bad team, but this was, we talked about this on Friday, a big step up in class, and they failed the test.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Ravens are light years better than the Broncos right now. I could see the Broncos making the playoffs.

Speaker 1 That could happen.

Speaker 4 But they're probably going to... No, it could.
If you look at where they are right now,

Speaker 1 they're probably

Speaker 1 making that face because

Speaker 1 I think the team they'd have to beat out is our Chargers.

Speaker 1 Okay, gotcha. So I don't want that.

Speaker 4 They're probably going to lose their next two games, I think. But the Broncos, I think their defense is good enough to keep them in it and in the conversation today.
It wasn't today. It was not today.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Ravens, you can't. The Ravens and the Lions are the two teams right now going to the NFL where I don't know what you do on defense because it seems like there's no answer.

Speaker 1 Zay Flowers, Lamar Jackson will just run around, and Zay Flowers will be wide open. And that will happen four or five times a game, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 1 And Lamar Jackson will throw it perfectly to him. He was throwing dimes.
Lamar Jackson was 16 for 19 for 280 yards and three touchdowns. He didn't even have to run today.

Speaker 1 I think he has like one of his worst running games. And then you just throw in Derrick Henry, who, by the way, had his 100th touchdown rushing.
So he's the 10th player all time to do that.

Speaker 1 And he also reached 1,000 yards. We're on 2,000-yard watch.

Speaker 4 Wait, Wait, he got 1,000 yards rushing?

Speaker 1 Today. He is shit.
1,052 yards on the season. We are officially on 2,000 yard watch for Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 I hope he gets there.

Speaker 1 Have the Ravens had a buy yet? They have not had a buy. So they're exactly,

Speaker 1 they played a little bit more than half of his schedule, nine games. We're on it.

Speaker 1 I hope he gets there too. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 But yeah, Zay Flowers is always open about 30 yards downfield, and he always catches the ball facing the line of scrimmage, and then he

Speaker 4 fakes one way and then turns around and runs to the corner for an additional 13 yards. And they do that five times a game.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And it's unstoppable, especially when you have Derrick Henry come downhill at you. And yeah, Lamar Jackson,

Speaker 4 he throws with so much touch now. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's having an MVP season again.

Speaker 1 He's been awesome. The Ravens cannot be stopped.
The Ravens' defense would be the big concern because they still do

Speaker 1 let up big chunk plays, and it feels like, like, Bo Bo Nix, I feel like Bo Nix had a decent amount of time today, and he missed a few passes.

Speaker 1 He did have that great touchdown catch, but it was just the Broncos have been feasting on some not great teams, and then they had to play a really, really good team, and they got punched in the mouth, and maybe they'll learn some lessons from it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, watching Lamar play is like the opposite of watching Bo Nix play. Because Bo Nix,

Speaker 4 every time he throws a pass, he's just like, I'm going to throw this ball as hard as I can. Yeah.
Doesn't matter who I'm throwing it to. Could be a dump off.
Could be a screen.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to wing it. Yeah.
But he's still fun.

Speaker 1 And when Bo runs, you're like, he's about to get crushed or throw a pick. And when Lamar runs, you're like, no one's going to touch him.

Speaker 4 Yeah. With Bo, sometimes I have the fear that he's already passed the line of scrimmage like eight yards.
And I'm like, he's probably going to have to throw another interception.

Speaker 1 He's going to try to throw it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, Lamar, that was his fourth perfect passer rating

Speaker 1 in his career. And that's tied for the most all time since 1950 with Ben Rothesberger.

Speaker 1 Now, I don't know what passer rating actually means, but still, when you get a perfect anything, you got to say hat tip.

Speaker 4 I know when I see 158.3, that means really fucking good.

Speaker 1 That means he was really, really fucking good today. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the Broncos, yeah, the Broncos have, I think, the Chiefs next. So it's like a little, they're going to have to, they're going to have to buck up here.

Speaker 1 They got the Chiefs and the Falcons coming up after, you know, feeling pretty good at 5-3.

Speaker 1 And that Chiefs game will be very interesting because we'll be like, yeah, they aren't that guy, pal. That's what I wrote down for the Broncos.

Speaker 4 They aren't that guy. You're not that guy, buddy.

Speaker 1 You're not that guy, pal. They could make the playoffs, but I just, I don't know.

Speaker 4 Here's the thing about the Broncos. They beat a lot of bad teams.
Yeah. But there are a lot of bad teams in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of bad teams in the AFC. They still get to play the Raiders again.

Speaker 4 They get the Raiders, they get the Browns, and the Colts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they do get to play some more bad teams. Oh, the Colts aren't terrible.
They're not bad. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're in the Broncos conversation.

Speaker 1 And the Bengals, depending on the week.

Speaker 4 Yep. And I'm going to say that whoever wins that Broncos Colts game, that will make the other team a bad team.
Yeah. That will be the.
That's how you'll know. I like that.

Speaker 1 I like that. Okay, next up, Commanders 27, Giants 22.
PFT, you're 7-2.

Speaker 1 You even beat Daniel Jones where he finally threw a touchdown in front of his home crowd 672 days

Speaker 1 since he last threw a touchdown at MetLife Stadium.

Speaker 4 It was New Year's Day of 2023.

Speaker 1 He went off in the first half, four for six, zero yards, one touchdown. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He went off. He went off.
Also, I noticed this, and I want to hear your perspective from the Commanders, but I noticed this from the Giants' perspective.

Speaker 1 It feels like Brian Dable has realized that, like, it's all over with Daniel Jones, so fuck it. Let's just run him like we did a few years ago.
Yeah. Because he was.
He was just running every play.

Speaker 4 And he was pretty good at running, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they were running options

Speaker 4 and he was he was keeping it and like i i think he basically was like hey daniel you're the whole quarterbacking thing the throwing the ball you're not good at so just run it let's just work on trying to get by yeah any way that we can we can't afford to be picky about how you're going to play the position yeah let's just send you out there and do what we know that you can do and yeah uh in the first half zero yards passing looks pretty bad on a stat sheet yes it does but I don't think he played that poorly in the first half overall because he was running the ball a lot.

Speaker 4 Yeah. He was running people over, and they were able to move it pretty effectively.
Our defense

Speaker 4 still doesn't look great,

Speaker 4 but our offense, the crazy, crazy stat that I saw today is that we have three turnovers this season. Three total turnovers.
Oh, yeah, I saw this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 That's the fewest by a team in the first nine games of a season since 1933. That's crazy.
And that's the first year that they track turnovers.

Speaker 4 So this might be the fewest of any team of all time that the commanders have. And so, yeah, Jaden played pretty well at quarterback today.
I don't think it was one of those crazy, holy shit.

Speaker 4 Oh my God. No, he did what he had to do.
But he did it really well. And he doesn't make mistakes.
That's the crazy thing. Like he will make some mistakes.
He's a rookie. He's going to figure it out.

Speaker 4 But he's very, very careful with the football. Yeah.
Like much more so than anybody thought that he'd be as a rookie. And no turnovers, no interceptions, no fumbles.
It's huge.

Speaker 4 It's huge that you have a rookie quarterback that's able to do that.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, they are 7-2 for the first time since 1996, which is that's it's just crazy to think about that because they just hit their over for win total for the season.

Speaker 1 They're a very good football team. Yeah, that was a game where it was like, it wasn't a wow game, it was a division game.
He took care of business.

Speaker 4 Yeah, road game in the division. And the Giants always play the commanders tough.
They usually beat us, honestly, especially on the road.

Speaker 1 So, I got a question for you.

Speaker 1 Steelers, Eagles, next two weeks. Yeah.
So, next like 10 days, because you're going to play Thursday night football against the Eagles.

Speaker 1 If you're 2-0, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 If we beat the Eagles, if you're 9-2.

Speaker 1 Okay, I have.

Speaker 4 Here's how I'm looking at the NFC right now.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 And you can tell me if I'm being deluded.

Speaker 1 Set up, Hank.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. This is Big Cat trapping me in the face.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. No, I won't.
No, no, I get it.

Speaker 1 I was going to ask you 0-2 as well. I was going to ask you the reverse.

Speaker 4 It's a good trap, though, because. No, no.
I'm not trying to trap. I'm not saying this about my team as they currently are.
I'm saying this: if we somehow beat the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to do 0-2 after that.

Speaker 4 If we somehow beat the Steelers and the Eagles, here's how I see the NFC.

Speaker 4 I don't think anybody's going to beat the Lions. I think the Lions are clearly the best team in the NFC.

Speaker 4 They might be the best team in football, but I think that it would be realistic if we're looking at 9-2

Speaker 4 to say

Speaker 4 we could lose in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you wouldn't have to play the Lions until the NFC Championship if you're 9-2.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I could see us potentially getting to the NFC Championship game.

Speaker 1 And you wouldn't have to play a road game until the NFC Championship game.

Speaker 4 And yeah, so people have to come into our death trap of the stadium and it might fall on them or rain shit on them. That'd be nice.

Speaker 4 So I think you also have to take into account the trade deadline coming up on Tuesday because I think the Commanders are going to try to get a cornerback, maybe a wide receiver. Huge day Tuesday.

Speaker 4 Maybe pass rush.

Speaker 1 Max Day.

Speaker 4 Maxion. Maxion, NFL trade deadline.
Power rankings. Everything.

Speaker 1 Everything's coming up on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 The Tuper Bowl?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 What about 0-2?

Speaker 4 If we're 0-2 and we're looking at 7-4.

Speaker 1 And you lost to the Steelers.

Speaker 3 But what about the trade deadline? What's going to happen? That is so important.

Speaker 1 I just said we could get a cornerback or a wide receiver.

Speaker 4 We still need help at cornerback. We need help at receiver.

Speaker 1 Try to keep up. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Pending those moves. But now if we're 0-2, I would say

Speaker 4 let's win a wildcard game.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 1 Steelers and the Eagles are tough games. Yeah, they're very tough.

Speaker 1 Those are not the Giants and the Panthers.

Speaker 4 Here's the thing is if the Commanders go 500 for the rest of the season, I think that puts us at 11 wins. Yeah, that would.
It's crazy. It's crazy to see how fast this is turned around.

Speaker 4 And I respect the hell out of Dan Quinn because I think he's done a great job coaching this season.

Speaker 1 He's very competent, good.

Speaker 1 That's the thing is you guys have a

Speaker 1 Dan Quinn's a floor guy where it's like your floor is raised to a point where you're not going to make mistakes of a poorly coached team. Yeah.
You know, like,

Speaker 1 who knows what his ceiling is? Well, I guess his ceiling is going to to a Super Bowl, having a 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 But that type of coach, Dan Quinn, like, when you go from what you had in Ron Rivera, who, you know, it fell off at the end,

Speaker 1 to Dan Quinn, it's like he just, I feel like he brings the whole

Speaker 1 organization together, being like, this is what we're going to do, and we're not going to make the dumb mistakes that have killed us.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so if you look at three turnovers right now through nine games, last year at this time, we had 14 turnovers. 14.
Makes a big difference. That's a big difference.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys have a lot of, I mean, you play the Saints still and the Titans.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I mean, I think the kind of...

Speaker 1 And the Cowboys stink.

Speaker 4 If I'm looking at the schedule right now, I think saying 11 or 12 wins is very, very possible.

Speaker 1 Very possible.

Speaker 4 And I don't think I'm being delusional. No, that's not delusional.

Speaker 1 If you look at the schedule, that's not delusional. Yeah.
Because it's, again,

Speaker 1 you're 7-2, and you have games against, two games against the Cowboys, the Titans, and the Saints. That's four games right there where you should be favored.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 that's not even talking about the Steelers, the Eagles, twice, and the Falcons, which you could win.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the way I see the NFC, it's the Lions. They're number one no matter what right now.
They're almost unbeatable, I think.

Speaker 4 And then grouped in that second group, I would put the, I think the Eagles have the second best roster in the NFC.

Speaker 4 I think that the Eagles are,

Speaker 4 like, if they can figure out what's going on with the coaching and the weird decisions that they make sometimes,

Speaker 4 how to overcome the max mojo.

Speaker 1 And we'll get to it, but I'm officially, like, just to add, you know, more shit on to everything I'm dealing with, the Rams, I'm starting to get nervous about. Yeah.
The Rams are, the Rams are bad.

Speaker 1 I think they're tied for first in

Speaker 1 the NFC West. Oh, no, the Cardinals beat them head-to-head.
The Cardinals killed them.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 they have the same record as the Cardinals?

Speaker 1 They have the same record as the Cardinals. I believe they have the same record as the Cardinals and the 49ers.
The 49ers are on a bye this week. So, yeah, they're.

Speaker 1 No, the Cardinals, sorry, are 5-4, and the Rams and the 49ers are 4-4. Okay.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's take a break. And then, or do you have anything else with the Commanders?

Speaker 4 No, I think it was just, it was a good, clean game from Jaden. And he's awesome.
He's so fun. I love him so much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 one of the two touchdown passes to Terry was sick.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think Terry had two touchdowns on two catches and like 19 yards. Good efficient day from Terry.

Speaker 1 Oh, I remember what I wanted to ask you. Do you have a comment about the Commanders fan?

Speaker 4 Oh, the guy that fell down.

Speaker 1 That was very funny. My comment, my comment is.

Speaker 1 For people, can we put it in? Can we put it in the can we play it real quick? Just and then we'll put it in the show.

Speaker 1 This guy was talking shit and then forgot that

Speaker 1 gravity is not his friend.

Speaker 4 Well, I think there was a guy in front of him and he dapped him up right here. And then on the dap, he falls forward.

Speaker 1 That was a killer dap.

Speaker 1 Shut your fucking dog up.

Speaker 1 He just started rolling.

Speaker 1 And he got up and he...

Speaker 1 You know, he's embarrassed when

Speaker 1 he's basically

Speaker 1 wedged at the bottom of the stairs. And his first instinct is to look back and continue to talk shit.
Yeah, it's good. He's like, yeah, what'd I say?

Speaker 4 I thought he was going to accuse the guy of pushing him over. He was very clear with him.

Speaker 4 Number one, I want to commend this guy for having excellent pocket awareness and not showing any ass crack when he bent over. That's just, that's elite.

Speaker 4 That's being situationally aware because I think most bigger guys would have had a little crack poking out. Yep.

Speaker 4 Number two, I'd like to abstain from future comic because it's a good possibility that this is one of my friend's dads. I'm just going off vibes.

Speaker 4 I've been to many Commanders games in my life where all my friend's dads looked exactly like this guy. Yeah.
So I hope he's okay. Yeah.
And he wasn't fighting anybody. No, it was a good fall.

Speaker 4 He's just running his mouth.

Speaker 1 It's a good fat guy fall.

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Speaker 1 next game. Chargers 27, Browns 10.

Speaker 1 So Jameis Winston didn't have a great game.

Speaker 4 I think that's fair to say.

Speaker 1 Three picks. Three picks.

Speaker 1 He had his hundredth interception, career interception.

Speaker 1 This is what you get. We can't be deterred.
No, this is what happens.

Speaker 4 You're going to have little bumps in the road with Jameis.

Speaker 1 We were flying too high after last week. This week come crashing down.

Speaker 1 That's just what you got to take the good with the bad. Today was bad.
Last week was good.

Speaker 4 I would like to step in real quick and

Speaker 4 congratulate the haters on one thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 The haters said that Jameis Winston shouldn't have won the game last week because the pass before the touchdown pass was the easiest interception of all time that just got dropped by Kyle Hamilton, right?

Speaker 4 The haters were right.

Speaker 1 Well, no, they weren't right last week because then he did drop it. You got to make the play.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, the curse of Jameis is sometimes he just throws such a damn catchable ball that your receiver is going to catch it or a cornerback is going to catch it.

Speaker 1 I also think he just loves playing football that he gets so excited. It's almost like

Speaker 1 he just wants to play catch with anyone, whether it be on his team or the other team. You know, it's...

Speaker 1 Sharing. Yeah, you're just like, he's at the park.
He's got a ball. Anyone walks by? Hey, quick catch.

Speaker 4 Or yeah, if Jameis goes to the park with a football and he sees kids, he's probably going to be like, hey, let's throw it around a little bit.

Speaker 4 He'll probably throw an easy interception, make the kid feel great. Right.
That's just how he plays football. Right.
He's spreading the joy of the game. Now, the Chargers' defense is awesome.

Speaker 4 The Chargers' defense still hasn't allowed 20 points or more than 20 points.

Speaker 1 I'm very high on the Chargers. I think they're a very

Speaker 1 competent football team, like top to bottom.

Speaker 1 They do have to figure out their offensive line a little because I think Justin Herbert got sacked six times, and they obviously have Rashawn Slater and Joe Alt.

Speaker 1 But the Chargers, like Justin Herbert is really fucking good at football. And because last year happened, I think we got off, the national media maybe got off the scent a little bit.

Speaker 1 He was one of those guys that got a little too, too much hype for not winning playoff games too early. So everyone then just zagged on him.

Speaker 1 Whereas he's always just been really good, and he just needed a good coach behind him.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he's like, I mean, Quentin Johnson had 100 yards today, and Quentin Johnson's good at football again. Lab McConkey is awesome.
Like, Joshua Palmer, I think, is

Speaker 1 a top three receiver for him. It's not like he's throwing to the best receivers, and he just is really, really good at football.

Speaker 1 And the Chargers' defense is awesome, and they have, here's the thing, and this is why it kills me.

Speaker 1 You know, we'll get to the Bears, but like the Harbaugh, why I love Harbaugh, and why people are like, oh, you glaze Harbaugh. What Harbaugh does

Speaker 1 when you get a guy like Jim Harbaugh, he gives your team an identity. The Chargers have an identity.
They play tough, hard football. And when you have an identity, you can win games.

Speaker 1 Like, that's huge.

Speaker 4 I think a different way of saying that is also saying that

Speaker 4 the minor, the stupid mistakes, the weird ways that the Chargers have found to lose football games in like the last, I don't know, 15 years,

Speaker 4 those tend to go away with a great coach like this because he gives you an identity and he gives you a belief, and then you start paying attention to all the details, mean something to you because you feel like you're a part of something that's bigger.

Speaker 4 And so, you do, like, if you have a great teacher in school that connects with you and you enjoy that class, you're going to try a little bit harder on every single assignment than you would for a teacher that you don't give a fuck about.

Speaker 1 Right. And you go into a game and you're like, these coaches have a game plan for us to win this game.
Yeah. We're going to play good defense.
We're going to run the football.

Speaker 1 Like, it just, they have an identity and they know how they want to play football games and how they want to dictate games. And that just goes such a long way in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I'm very high on the Chargers. I think they're a good, like, they are.
If you look at, we were just talking about the Broncos.

Speaker 1 If you look at the AFC playoff picture and you take out the division winners and the Ravens, so that's the Chiefs, the Bills, the Steelers, the Texans, and the Ravens, because the Ravens are technically second right now in the AFC North.

Speaker 1 There's those two spots left.

Speaker 1 And I think the Chargers are one of those two spots because it's between the Chargers, the Broncos, the Colts, the Bengals, and I'll even throw in the Jets for you, memes.

Speaker 1 Out of those five teams, I think the Chargers are one of the two best of those five.

Speaker 4 Yeah, their defense is so good. They've allowed the third fewest points per game by any team through eight games in the last 15 seasons.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone has scored over 20 points on them this year.

Speaker 4 But the others that are in that top four of the best defenses in terms of scoring, the others in that top four, they all made the playoffs, and they all won at least 11 games. So

Speaker 4 they are a legit team, and I think if you just take that great defense, and then Herbert, we know is a good quarterback.

Speaker 4 He's just been abused. He's like a

Speaker 4 homeless animal that now has its forever home. I think that if you can get 75% of how good Justin Herbert has been at his best in his career,

Speaker 4 yeah, they're a good team. They've got holes.
They've got weaknesses.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course. I mean, they're not super explosive on offense.
I think it's starting to get there in terms of they're starting to pass the ball more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we talked about on Friday how Justin Herbert's pass attempts have gone up the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 It's clear that they're like trying to let him rip it a little, especially with guys getting healthier. But yeah, this is a solid, fundamentally sound team.

Speaker 1 And what I expected them to do is beat a not fundamentally sound team in the Browns. The Browns are definitely like they have to sell.
Yeah. If they could sell anything.

Speaker 4 What are they going to sell? Well,

Speaker 1 Mike Tannenbaum. Did you see that on Get Up? No.
Mike Tannenbaum, former Jets GM, former Jets GM.

Speaker 4 Cargo Schwartz.

Speaker 1 One of the worst trade, hypothetical trades I've ever seen in my entire life. I'm happy you didn't see this because I'm going to tell it to you.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it was so bad he got laughed

Speaker 1 in his face on GetUp. He got laughed in his face.
By who?

Speaker 1 Everyone on the panel. Greeny.
I don't know if Greene was there that day. Here's what it is.
The Detroit Lions get Miles Garrett. Okay.

Speaker 4 Good trade for the Lions.

Speaker 1 The Browns get,

Speaker 1 I'll start with the least amount. Second round pick.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 I need to see what Miles Garrett's contract is.

Speaker 1 Hold on, hold on. That was the least.
That was the second round pick.

Speaker 1 Three first round picks.

Speaker 1 And Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was the trade he proposed. It was one of the worst trades proposed of all time.

Speaker 1 Of all time.

Speaker 4 Who says no? Who says no?

Speaker 1 Everyone was like, dude, what are you? He's like, well, Jameer Gibbs is redundant to David Montgomery. He's like, have you watched the Lions game?

Speaker 1 the whole point is they have these guys that you cannot stop like they're you you can't take away one of them the whole point is like they have you they have a Sonic and Knuckles does he have any any connections to the Browns right now is he just trying to gas up Miles Garrett's trade value I don't know what it was it was it was shocking and it was when I say everyone laughed everyone laughed in his face and then everyone was like this guy was the fucking GM uh and he and he kept on saying like when they were laughing in his face uh oh yeah uh he kept on saying but the Lions will win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say. He's like, the Lions are going to win the Super Bowl with Miles Garrett.
But it's like, dude, you just, if they don't win the Super Bowl, you just gave up everything.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would say that this is a great trade for the Browns. A second-round pick for Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 Three firsts.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but just a second on its own sounds like it's a pretty heavy price, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what his, how long has he signed for? He signed for three more years? Yeah, okay, yeah. No, you'd have to give up a first-round pick for Miles Garrett.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was assuming that this was like maybe the last two years of his contract.

Speaker 1 Three for that.

Speaker 1 He made.

Speaker 1 That's like, I don't even know. It was such an insane thing.
And he just kept on being like, but they're going to win a Super Bowl with Miles Garrett. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's not a trade that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 So I don't even know how we got here. Oh, because the Browns should trade Miles Garrett.

Speaker 4 They should trade, yeah, if anybody wants any of their players. Just pay everyone's open.
Yeah. Nobody's off limbs.
I get an interesting side about this game, Big Cat. Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 Teams in the NFL are now 0-2 on the season when playing a Harbaugh brother just after beating a Harbaugh brother.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 First, the Raiders. Remember that? Antonio Pierce? Yep.
And I think that was the same thing where they both beat John, and then Jim avenged his brother's loss. Yeah.
So Jim is now 2-0

Speaker 4 on avenging losses for his brother.

Speaker 1 Do we have any more of these situations coming up?

Speaker 4 We actually do. The Bengals.
have an opportunity to do just that over their next two games.

Speaker 1 Oh, so

Speaker 4 they might be doing it reverse. Who do the Bengals? No, no, no.

Speaker 1 The Bengals play the Ravens next week, and then they play the Chargers. So if the Bengals beat the Ravens, hammer the Chargers.

Speaker 4 Yes, if the trend holds, you could also say that there's a trend that teams that play the Harbaugh Brothers back-to-back weeks

Speaker 4 always go,

Speaker 4 they always go 1-0. They always win the first leg of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 4 So you would say Bengals.

Speaker 1 No, they always go 1-1, though.

Speaker 4 No, but they go 1-0 in their first

Speaker 4 one. So they always beat John and then lose to Jim.
Got it.

Speaker 1 Got it. Okay, so.
That's a trend. So the Bengals win on Thursday, Chargers.
Yep. The next week.
That is a trend. That's a pretty big sample size, too.

Speaker 4 I do think that Jim Harbaugh sees a team beat his brother

Speaker 1 with these guys. Without a doubt.
He absolutely does.

Speaker 1 Especially because even though

Speaker 1 John is older, Jim is.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Jim, he deputized himself.

Speaker 1 Jim definitely has slipped up and said, my baby brother, John. Yeah,

Speaker 4 I bet you Jim has signed permission slips for John in the past.

Speaker 1 John definitely once a year has to be like, you know, I'm older than you, right? Like, I am older than you. He is, right? Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 See, I'm, I'm, because, like, he's not. Yeah.
Jim is older. Jim's a big brother.

Speaker 4 Jim is, Jim is big brother vibes.

Speaker 1 He's he's an ultimate big brother.

Speaker 4 Let's see. John Harbaugh is.

Speaker 1 You're right.

Speaker 4 I think John's a couple years older than the older one, but Jim is older.

Speaker 1 Jim is the older brother.

Speaker 4 62. John is 62.

Speaker 1 And how old is Jim?

Speaker 4 And then Jim is

Speaker 1 doesn't matter. 60.
Yeah. Yeah.
But Jim's older. Yeah.
We got it. Next time we have him on, we got to say, ask him that.

Speaker 4 Jim definitely a little bros, John.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got to do like one of those trick ones where it's like, you know, where

Speaker 1 you're like, what is the, you know,

Speaker 1 what's the color? What's that color? White? What's that color? White? And then what do cows drink milk? You fuck up and say, cows drink milk. We got to do that with him.
I just

Speaker 4 fucked me up when you said that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can fuck people up with that.

Speaker 1 We got to be like, what's older or younger? And then just get him to be like, yeah, I'm older than him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he would say it. He absolutely would.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game.

Speaker 1 Bengals 41, Raiders 24.

Speaker 1 Are the Bengals back or do they play the Raiders?

Speaker 4 I think they're both.

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow was awesome.

Speaker 4 I think they're both back and also played the Raiders because...

Speaker 4 Joe had a Joe Burrow had a great quote after the game because he didn't look happy during this game. No, he's pissed.
He had five touchdowns, right? He did have a pick six.

Speaker 4 He had a pick six, five touchdowns, and he looked pissed the entire game, even when they were scoring, when they were winning. After the game, he looked pissed off.

Speaker 4 He said, if we don't score a touchdown on a drive, I'm not going to be very happy for the rest of the year. So he's flipped the switch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's flipped the switch.

Speaker 1 Five touchdowns. He's flipped the switch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to be hard on himself, hard on everyone else.

Speaker 4 And Trey Hendrickson had a great game, too.

Speaker 1 Trey Hendricks had four sacks. Chase Brown had a great game.
It was crazy that he threw five five touchdowns, none of them to Jamar Chase. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the Bengals, they needed this game. Joe Burrow also,

Speaker 1 like, watching Joe Burrow play, he is the definition of

Speaker 1 like his ability to scramble inside the pocket is so goddamn good. Where it's like, he's not the most athletic guy.

Speaker 1 He's not going to beat you with his feet, but he does beat you with your feet, his feet. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 He'll start escaping to the right, and then when he's halfway to the sidelines, find a guy.

Speaker 1 Keep plays going. Yeah, where it's like he's never going to run, but he's just going to keep the play alive for those extra few seconds that always end up in a completion.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Raiders are one of the saddest teams out there right now because we had yet again Antonio Pierce just frustratingly bench Gardner Minshew for Desmond Ritter.

Speaker 1 So this is, I think, two times now that he's just, not for injury, just like, I'm sick of you, Gardner. Get out of here.

Speaker 1 What did you expect?

Speaker 4 He's just hoping. Just Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 1 Like, I love Gardner Minshew, but like, you can't go into a game with Gardner Minshew as your starter and be like, this is going to be awesome.

Speaker 4 He's just hoping that the next guy that he puts in is going to be electric, like putting in Desmond Ritter, and you think that you're going to get his last year at Cincinnati Desmond Ritter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So the Raiders are ass ass.

Speaker 4 They say that hope isn't a strategy. I think for the Raiders it is.
Yeah, it's not working. They've reached the point where it's just like, I hope that AOC is going to be good when I put him in.

Speaker 4 I hope that Gardner is going to be good once I've benched him already. I hope that Desmond Ritter somehow is good now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's never going to happen. No.
It's never going to happen.

Speaker 1 By the way, AOC, yeah,

Speaker 1 he's hurt, right? Yep. He hurt his foot.
I saw a very funny thing, someone tried to make the argument. What year was

Speaker 1 Aiden O'Connell drafted? I want to say it was. 2022.
Was it the

Speaker 1 2023 NFL draft?

Speaker 1 Someone pointed out. Wait, I'm going to pull it up.
Oh, it was after C.J. Stroud had a bad Thursday night game.

Speaker 1 And someone was like, Isn't it crazy that Aiden O'Connell is the best quarterback for this draft class?

Speaker 1 Because it was like, it's like C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Will Levis.

Speaker 4 Will Levis.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it was a joke because C.J. Stroud is very good.

Speaker 1 Hennan Hooker, Jake Hayner, Stetson Bennett,

Speaker 1 Clayton Toon, DTR, DTR, Sean Clifford, Jaron Hall, Max Duggan, and then Aiden O'Connell.

Speaker 1 Was he the best quarterback in that track?

Speaker 4 There was one that you said that was like the fifth or sixth?

Speaker 1 Jake Hanner?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Jake Haner now, not him. Who's before him?

Speaker 1 Let's see. Clayton Toon, definitely not him.
Was it Hennon Hooker? Yeah, Hinnen Hooker. He might be good.
Stetson Bennett? We don't know. Oh, DTR.
He's played a little.

Speaker 4 I don't think Hinnon Hooker has lost a game that he's been in.

Speaker 1 That's facts. That's facts.
But yeah, the Raiders are just so sad.

Speaker 1 It's crazy how many teams are really, really bad.

Speaker 1 This early, too, because, like you said, what was the stat? Nine teams or two wins?

Speaker 4 Nine teams have two wins.

Speaker 1 Nine teams have two wins in week nine. It feels like at least usually like three or four of those teams would have three wins, which I know it sounds crazy to say, but two and six.

Speaker 1 versus three and five is a big fucking difference. It is.

Speaker 4 Having two wins right now is... I can't believe that it's possible for nine teams to have two wins.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're just really, really bad teams. Yeah, we were right.

Speaker 4 Yeah. When we were talking about we did the ass list.
Yeah, we did the ass list.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the Raiders are ass, and the Bengals are maybe bad. The Bengals, it all comes down to the next three weeks.
They play the Ravens, the Chargers, and the Steelers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If they can survive that stretch two and one, I think they can be in a playoff team. If they go one and two,

Speaker 1 then we're talking about

Speaker 1 you literally cannot lose another game.

Speaker 1 That's really what it comes down to. And that Thursday night game against the Ravens is going to be awesome.
Yeah. Very, very excited for that game.

Speaker 4 It's nice having a big matchup on Thursday.

Speaker 1 Yes. Very, very nice.
And then we followed up with the Eagles Commanders the week after. Wow.
Which

Speaker 1 that one's going to be a must-watch stream. Perm.
Perm bet. Perm bet.

Speaker 1 Okay, next up. Bengals back.
I'm going to say Bengals back.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Bengals could be back.

Speaker 1 They could be back. I still don't know if they're back.
If they beat the Ravens, they are officially 100% back.

Speaker 4 I never really stopped believing that the Bengals could be back potentially, but

Speaker 4 there's just so many things. They can't fuck up even once.

Speaker 1 I think when we said, when they lost to the Ravens, I think we looked ahead and were like, there's a very good chance that when they play the Ravens next, it will be to get back to 500, which would obviously be huge if they get to 5-5.

Speaker 1 Because then I feel like if you get to 5-5,

Speaker 1 then a little bit of the pressure comes off where it's like, hey, we don't have to win every single game game down the stretch.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 Panthers 23, Saints 22.

Speaker 1 Holy shit, there's a lot of them in this game.

Speaker 1 Let's start with the crazy stat Bill Barnwell said. The Saints outgained the Panthers by 150-plus yards, ran for 150-plus yards, and won the turnover battle last battle.

Speaker 1 Last 20 years, teams were 275-0 doing that. Now 275-1.

Speaker 1 The Saints ran the ball down their throat. Bryce Young was not terrible.
And the Panthers end up winning this game. Good for the Panthers.

Speaker 1 Every single person that's ever been associated with the Saints decided to take to Twitter and tweet about this. And it's like stuck off everything else.

Speaker 1 And it's like fires everywhere for the New Orleans Saints right now.

Speaker 4 Michael Thomas during the game.

Speaker 1 During the game, Michael Thomas

Speaker 1 went off.

Speaker 1 Do you have the tweets in front of you?

Speaker 4 I don't have Slantman's tweets in front of me. I've got some other ones, though.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 So Michael Thomas, we'll pull those up. We had Chris Olave get another concussion, which sucked, and he got carted off.

Speaker 1 His brother was giving updates and was like, My brother's awake and responsive at the hospital. Like, everything's good.
Then someone said, so he's at Bro just called. He's up and active.

Speaker 1 A guy quote to you and said, Might be time to have that is it worth it talk.

Speaker 1 And Josh Olave

Speaker 1 wrote back, Ain't worth it in NOLA. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 So that's not good.

Speaker 1 We also had,

Speaker 1 who was it? Oh,

Speaker 1 Colleen Saunders took to Twitter, and he said, fans say keep losing so we can get the number one pick. Hell, throw me in a QB shit.
Let's have something fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Motherfuckers is cheekbones. Shake my head.

Speaker 1 New Orleans, y'all deserve better. My only goal is to finish above 500 at this point.

Speaker 4 Cheekbones.

Speaker 1 Cheekbones. And then someone said, Damn, bro, so are we last

Speaker 1 or y'all? And he said, Well, that wasn't, I don't think that was someone.

Speaker 4 I think that was.

Speaker 1 That was Lonnie Johnson, sorry. Yeah.
Yeah. Lonnie Johnson Jr.
said, are we last or y'all? And he said,

Speaker 1 Lonnie, brother, shut your weak ass up. We will both be in Cabo January 10th.
I know we ain't in no last place argument. This is absurd.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Cam Jordan also tweeted, we just lost to the Panthers. And then JC Horn replied, Dude, we got the same record.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, that says it all right there. The Saints thought that they were above the Panthers.

Speaker 1 And they're not. They're not at all.
And then they've lost seven in a row.

Speaker 4 There was another Saunders tweet that's very funny, too. He said, if that was a college bowl game, that motherfucker would have been called the Cottonlle Doodoo Bowl.

Speaker 4 We just lost the Cottonlle Doodoo Bowl.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. So here's what Michael Thomas said.
Cotton El Doodoo Bowl?

Speaker 4 The Cottonll Doodoo Bowl.

Speaker 1 That's a great one. Michael Thomas said, they fired all them coaches trying to cover his flaws up.
He's still doing the same shit. This is about Derek Carr.
Oh, no, it started with Derek Carr.

Speaker 1 For you, I've been told you're all shit sad. This is after Chris Olave gets injured.
Dude, scary and panic and just throw the ball. Get him the fuck out of here.
So ass.

Speaker 1 That year, his buddy went first team all-pro in 2022. He needed 180 targets just to catch 100 passes.
He is ass on my granny.

Speaker 1 Dude tried to lie and say I was jealous of them making Chris wide receiver one whole time. He can't even get him a decent ball.
He need his ass whooped.

Speaker 1 And they fired all them coaches trying to cover his falls up, still doing the same shit. I feel bad for Derek Carr.
Derek Carr had to answer this in the post-game press conference.

Speaker 1 He answered it just like you thought Derek Carr would. He's like, I don't know why he hates me.
I've tried to reach out to him. It sucks.
Like, it just sucks.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that was a full meltdown of everyone in the Saints world. Well, the Saints lost to the Panthers.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was tough. I did feel bad for Derek Carr, too.
I also saw this stat from Josh Dubo.

Speaker 4 He put out a list of the most losses as a starting quarterback. Through four seasons, it's David Carr.

Speaker 4 Through five seasons, it's David Carr. Through six seasons, it's David Carr.
Through seven seasons, it's Derek Carr.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 Through eight seasons, Derek Carr. Nine seasons, Derek Carr.
Ten seasons,

Speaker 1 Derek Carr.

Speaker 4 And then 11 seasons, where we're at right now, Derek Carr and Archie Manning are tied. So with one more loss, then that becomes

Speaker 4 Derek Carr's as well.

Speaker 1 Derek Carr also is the first quarterback to start in losses versus 31 NFL teams. He plays the Raiders on 1229.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 I saw the stat and I looked up the other quarterbacks that are on that list. And you pretty much have to be like a good quarterback to be on that list.

Speaker 1 Or have played forever. Yeah, you've played forever.

Speaker 4 You play forever, you start forever. Flacco's on that list at 30.
And I believe Flacco has the opportunity to lose to one of the two teams that he hasn't lost to yet. Okay.

Speaker 4 If you look at the Colt schedule. So he might get to 31, maybe.

Speaker 1 But Derek Carpenter.

Speaker 1 Big game against the Raiders on December 29th.

Speaker 4 But they are the Raiders. They are the Raiders.
But they're the Saints.

Speaker 1 The Saints are no longer above anybody. I just did it.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I just did the Cam Jordan real time.

Speaker 1 I'm happy that Bryce Young got a win. Yeah.
Like, that was good. He had a really, he had a competent game.

Speaker 1 He didn't light it on fire, but he had a competent game, which is a big step up from what we saw last year in the beginning of this year.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he had a couple nice passes to Xavier Legette. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're a very young team at wide receiver now. He looked like he had fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 good for the Panthers.

Speaker 1 This is, I mean,

Speaker 1 you have to be happy for the Panthers and their fans because

Speaker 1 being on that team has to be just like hell. So even winning one game, just for a week to be able to be like, shit, we can actually smile for a week in the building.
Yeah. This is fun.

Speaker 4 And just know that the Saints, what Cam Jordan tweeted out, that's what all the Saints thought about you. Yeah, they thought that they were five times better than the Panthers

Speaker 4 organized. They're not.

Speaker 4 They're maybe,

Speaker 4 I'm not going to say the biggest bummer in the NFL, but they're definitely in the top four bummers in the NFL just in terms of watching the team because

Speaker 4 you recognize everything about the Saints. They've got so many guys that have been on that team for so long.

Speaker 4 But it's like when you see the commercials with all the guys from the office on it, and you're like, well, I recognize all those guys from that TV show that I used to like.

Speaker 4 They're doing a commercial together, but it's not the same. They're old, they're not those same characters anymore.
That's what the Saints are right now.

Speaker 4 They're just a collection of guys that used to be good together eight years ago. Yeah, right.
They're just and they're not going to change, right?

Speaker 1 They wear the same uniform, they're some of the same names, but they're not.

Speaker 4 Like, I would be shocked if Jimmy Graham suited up at some point this year for the Saints, right?

Speaker 4 Would that blow your mind? No, not at all.

Speaker 1 It would not be

Speaker 1 close.

Speaker 4 He actually should.

Speaker 1 He absolutely should. But yeah, the Saints.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 Dennis Allen is the, I was looking it up, he's now 26 and 52 as a head coach, and there's only two head coaches in history who have coached as many games as he has with a worst losing percentage.

Speaker 1 He's the third worst NFL head coach of all time.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 who were those other guys?

Speaker 1 They were, let's see, yeah. Pull it up.

Speaker 1 He's so, so bad. I don't know how he's still employed.
It makes no sense.

Speaker 4 The salary cap doesn't count against coaches. You can move on from a coach.

Speaker 1 So it is,

Speaker 1 let's look this up. Coaches' records.
If I sort by

Speaker 1 win-loss percentage, I believe. So Dennis Allen is 16th worst coach just based on win-loss percentage.

Speaker 1 And then the only coaches who have coached more games than him with a worse record is Marion Campbell,

Speaker 1 who has a 34 and 80 all-time coaching record. And then you had Joe

Speaker 1 Bugle. Joe Bugle was 24-56.

Speaker 1 If he loses a couple more games, he will be the worst coach of all time.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. He's so, so bad.

Speaker 4 Joe Bugle, great offensive line coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's shocking that Dennis Allen is. I don't know how he still has.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess I do know how he still has a job, but I don't know how he still.

Speaker 4 I don't really know.

Speaker 1 I think it's it's really because he's so unremarkable.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 Like, if they went to fire him, they'd be like, what does he look like again?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't understand. I have not seen anything redeemable about Dennis Allen since he's taken over as the coach of the Saints.

Speaker 1 If Dennis Allen walked by you on the street, would you notice? Okay, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 I've thought this about Zach Taylor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 1 I think I would know Zach Taylor at this point. Kevin O'Connell.
Kevin O'Connell, I'd know. He's tall.

Speaker 4 If Zach Taylor wasn't, if he was wearing like,

Speaker 4 I don't know, like a sweater and khakis and no hat, and then if Dennis Allen was wearing a sweater, khakis, no hat,

Speaker 4 they walked past me, I don't think I recognize either one of them.

Speaker 1 If Mincy brought Dennis Allen into this office but didn't tell us it was Dennis Allen, I don't think I would know.

Speaker 4 If he told you it was the quarterback coach of Omiss.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if he was, or he's like, this is a friend from the south. Yeah.
I'd be like, oh, nice to meet you. He'd be like, hey, I'm Dennis.
I'd be like, wait, what? Yeah. Dennis? Dennis Allen?

Speaker 1 Worst coach of all time? Yeah, get out. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Okay, next up. Hank, last

Speaker 1 early game. Titans, 20, Patriots, 17.

Speaker 4 Your thoughts?

Speaker 3 Drake May played decent.

Speaker 1 The touchdown drive to tie the game was good.

Speaker 3 And the last touchdown specifically, like...

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he was running, he was scrambling, defended.

Speaker 3 That was a good, you know, end-of-game rep for him to get and to be successful. And so that was good to see.
Interceptions weren't great, especially in overtime. He kind of said afterwards, though,

Speaker 3 the best play sometimes is just throw it incomplete. Tried to be a hero.
Didn't work out.

Speaker 3 We're back at the top of the

Speaker 1 tank-a-thon? Tank-a-thon. Lavar?

Speaker 3 Nice.

Speaker 3 That way, it's a win.

Speaker 4 Draft tomorrow. Who do you take? Shadur?

Speaker 3 I feel like you've got to take the best player in college football.

Speaker 4 Travis Hunter, yeah.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter, that's a good point. That's a really good good point.

Speaker 4 You get two players for one with him. It's tremendous value.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter and Christian Gonzales.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter can catch.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but I'm saying defensively, like, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Are you now saying that the Patriots are sellers at the trade deadline? Because I know that you were towing that line between.

Speaker 3 No, those are reports that I never understood. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, I would definitely say we're sellers. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But what would you sell? Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 We could probably give away all of our wide receivers for like a bag of of donuts.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Box of donuts.

Speaker 4 Ramondre?

Speaker 3 Ramondre? I mean, he played well. He scored only two touchdowns.

Speaker 3 I don't really know what we'll sell. I don't know.
Someone, I saw another report that was like people, teams are asking about Gonzalez. That would be insane.

Speaker 4 That would be crazy. A young, great player like that.
You can't do that. Don't get rid of him.
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 That's all you got? Titans. I can't quit the Titans because their defense is good.

Speaker 4 Are they good or did they play the Patriots?

Speaker 1 No, they've actually been statistically very good this year. And very good, I mean, relatively for a two-win team.
Yeah. They're like a top-ten defense

Speaker 1 statistically.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, you guys were giving me shit for it. This game fell under the category of like, this game was not exciting to watch.

Speaker 1 No, it was a terrible game to watch.

Speaker 3 No, it was fun at the very end. I needed Drake to have over 200 yards passing, so that was.

Speaker 1 It was weird watching you watch it, and you were like,

Speaker 1 it was like you had no care about the actual outcome, which

Speaker 1 you want to lose, but it was weird watching that. You're just like, I just want him to pass it.
And then when we went to overtime, you're like, don't screen pass.

Speaker 1 They didn't want to

Speaker 3 a situation.

Speaker 4 Yeah. There was a moment where it was actually right after Drake May's interception.
Hank was just like, yes. Like quietly, like, it's over.
He's not going to throw a screen pass.

Speaker 4 He's going to go for negative yards. But, I mean, Hank.

Speaker 1 But you're tanking, so that's okay. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Hank is being logical when it comes to his team. I think a lot of times us as fans, we're not logical.
Like last year,

Speaker 4 I was rooting for Washington to win every game going down the stretch that they end up losing. I'm very glad that we lost those games.

Speaker 4 You should not, it makes sense to root for your team to lose when they're in a position like this. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So Hank is very clear-headed about that, especially given how there's so many shitty teams right now. Like every loss matters, Hank.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was a good loss. This was actually a great loss.
Exciting, fun-to-watch loss.

Speaker 4 This was maybe the best loss because it was against a team that had one win.

Speaker 1 Drake May makes the Patriots watchable. Definitely.
We told you when he got in, when you were like, I don't want him to play.

Speaker 1 We're like, no, you do want him to play because it makes it so that there's actually something to watch.

Speaker 3 And the reason was because of the offensive line, I didn't realize how bad our wide receivers were.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Past two weeks have been shocking.

Speaker 1 Can't catch.

Speaker 4 So this did break the combo

Speaker 4 or the trend of teams that just got done playing the Lions stinking the next week, but the Patriots covered. Covered the spread.
So that's what really matters. That was huge.

Speaker 1 That's it? That's all you got?

Speaker 3 Is there something I'm missing? No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 It was a very boring.

Speaker 1 I don't think you should.

Speaker 4 Tell me about Mayo. How'd Mayo do today?

Speaker 1 Was he boisterous? He should have gone for two. There's something.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He should have gone for two.

Speaker 1 You're a one-win team or two-win team. You're on the road.
You score an insane touchdown to get within one with time gone. Like, it was literally zeros on the clock.
Why wouldn't you just go for two?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 Like, it's just

Speaker 1 at this point, like. His coaching's scared.
But just try to win the game right there.

Speaker 4 Maybe he wasn't trying to win the game.

Speaker 1 You're right. Think about it that way.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, I would have gone for two there. There's no reason not to go for two there.
It just,

Speaker 1 like, just fuck it. End the game on the field.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Keep the momentum.

Speaker 1 Keep the momentum, exactly.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, I mean, the Titans are a tough watch.
Mason Rudolph makes them somewhat competent

Speaker 4 offensively. Is Levis actually hurt?

Speaker 4 Or is this a

Speaker 4 we're going to go with Mason because we think we're going to say that Will Levis is banged up.

Speaker 1 We don't want the whole team to revolt right now. Yeah.
Might be one of those.

Speaker 1 Might be one of those because he he definitely brings competency to them. Yeah.
That they didn't have.

Speaker 4 He brings a little bit of

Speaker 4 a little bit of boringness.

Speaker 4 You've definitely boringness and you have a good defense, but I mean that in a good way, yeah, like a stable guy, he's a guy that's, I'm gonna settle down with this guy, yeah.

Speaker 1 Uh, okay, uh, let's do the afternoon games before we do that. PFT, you have two more ads, and we'll do the afternoon games.
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Speaker 1 Okay, uh

Speaker 1 Cardinals 29 Bears 9.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if I assume everyone listening right now probably follows us all on Twitter, but if you don't, I had to go to the ER on Saturday because

Speaker 1 I have kidney stones. So I was in intense, intense pain.

Speaker 1 I was actually pulling into the zoo with my kids and I my whole body locked up and I was sweating profusely and my stomach felt like it was going to explode and my back hurt.

Speaker 1 So I I went to the ER on Saturday, spent like two hours at the ER, had a scan.

Speaker 1 They told me I have four kidney stones, one that's currently passing through my body.

Speaker 1 I've been in just intense pain, woke up in intense pain this morning, been taking pain pills, just pissing non-stop.

Speaker 1 All that said.

Speaker 3 Have you passed any stones?

Speaker 1 I have not yet.

Speaker 1 We're working on one real bad. But all that said,

Speaker 1 as bad as going to the ER is and all the pain I'm in and kidney stones is some of the worst pain ever.

Speaker 1 That was not even close to the worst part of my weekend because this game, watching this game, was by far and away the worst part of my weekend.

Speaker 1 And this team has quit, and Matt Eberflues is a loser, and he needs to be fired, which he won't be because the Bears will never fire a coach in the middle of the season.

Speaker 1 They have been around for 100-plus years. They have never fired a coach in the middle of a season.

Speaker 1 This team quit. It's an utter disaster, lifeless,

Speaker 1 garbage.

Speaker 1 Matt Eberflus is a loser, just full-blown loser.

Speaker 1 He is

Speaker 1 0-18 on Sundays on the road.

Speaker 4 That was a crazy stat when I saw that.

Speaker 4 It took my breath away.

Speaker 1 He has won three road games in the last three years

Speaker 1 at the Commanders on Thursday night football. At the Patriots on Monday night football, and then he beat the Vikings on Monday night football.
He is 0-18 on the road on Sundays.

Speaker 1 He's never won a Matt Nagy,

Speaker 1 Matt Nagy. They're all the same, by the way.
They're all the same. Matt Nagy, Mark Tressman, Matt Iberflus, John Fox, they're all the same.
Matt. They just fucking.

Speaker 1 All they do is hire just fucking pussyhead coaches that can be bossed around and they suck and they just don't, they're not leader of men. Matt Iberflus has never gotten on a plane with his team

Speaker 1 on a Sunday being like, hey, we we feel good. I guess they did beat the Jaguars.
That was technically a home game in London. In London, yeah.

Speaker 4 But think about that.

Speaker 1 He's never gotten on a plane

Speaker 1 on a Sunday, been like, great win, boys. Never happened.

Speaker 4 That's insane. It's crazy.
0-18, that's a huge sample size, too.

Speaker 1 He's a loser. I agree with you.

Speaker 4 Matt Nagy, Scar, sorry.

Speaker 1 Matt Eberfluer. They're all the same.

Speaker 4 Loser.

Speaker 1 He's a loser.

Speaker 1 If you knew he was a loser, I've known he's been a loser, but I was like, listen, I'm going to trust Ryan Paul's. Like, whatever.
You're going to have to go with this.

Speaker 1 I had these problems last year, but it's like, fuck it. We're all in.
We're going to just do it with Matt Eberflus. He got a fucking haircut.
He went on hard knocks. He got funked up.

Speaker 1 Shout out to our guy, Funk. He actually is legit.
Matt Eberflus is a fucking loser, though.

Speaker 1 He's a loser amongst losers, and he's just perfect for this Bears organization that's run by losers, and they're not serious. And it's just so depressing to be back at this spot.

Speaker 4 Credit to Matt Eberflues, though. You almost said Nikki again.
I almost did. Credit to Matt Eberflues.
He did say that's on me again this week. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So after that. Well, no, he didn't say that last week.

Speaker 4 He said that it starts with me.

Speaker 1 After he got bullied into decision. After he got bullied into it.
He didn't say it for three days. Okay.

Speaker 1 Just like he didn't make a decision on Tyreek Stevenson for three days and basically got bullied into benching him. And then that became a whole story.

Speaker 4 And then Tyreek Stevenson bullied him for benching him.

Speaker 1 The guy can't make a decision.

Speaker 4 But he did take responsibility for the play right before halftime this week. That was the quit play.
It was the quit play, and he said that one was on me, hand up.

Speaker 4 I called a pass defense and left us exposed to that run.

Speaker 4 Does that show that he's learning, not only because he's able to take responsibility so much faster, and then also does it show that he's learning because at the end of a half, instead of trying to give up or letting the other team have those easy 10 yards to put them in Hail Mary position, he played a pass defense.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So he adjusted from what he did last week and then got absolutely torched on a run this week.

Speaker 1 He's so bad. He's bad.
He's so bad.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying I told you so to you, big cap, but I knew he was bad.

Speaker 1 I had to go with it. What are you going to do? No, I know you did.

Speaker 4 I'm saying that the Bears are idiots for keeping morale. Yeah, no shit.

Speaker 1 I knew that. But once they made the decision, I wanted who was at the front of the line trying to get Jim Harbaugh.
I made shirts for it.

Speaker 1 Jim Harbaugh would have changed everything about this franchise.

Speaker 1 But they would never bring an alpha in who would command

Speaker 1 would walk into Hallis Hall and be everyone's boss.

Speaker 1 They wouldn't let that happen.

Speaker 4 After your team makes a decision to bring him back, you can't just be like, fuck Matt Eberflus for the next like nine months.

Speaker 1 You've got to just basically be like, hope this works out. And then knowing all too well that you'll end up exactly at this spot where it's like, get this fucking guy out of my life.

Speaker 1 Get Shane Waldron out of my life. Listen, I like Ryan Paul's for what he's done for this roster, but if he stays loyal to Matt Eberflues, that is an insane, insane indictment on his decision-making.

Speaker 1 Because already we're looking at the offensive line that is just so, so, I mean, I know people are going to want me to bash Caleb Williams. I'm not changing on Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 Could Caleb Williams get ruined by what's happening with Matt Eberflues in this offensive line? Absolutely. I'm not changing on Caleb Williams.
The offensive line, the Arizona Cardinals

Speaker 1 they have no pass rush. They had

Speaker 1 twice this entire season, they had three sacks or more in a game. They had three sacks in three consecutive plays today.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was a bad drive.

Speaker 1 That's how fucking bad this offensive line, this play calling, Shane Waldron goes into every game with just like, it feels like he's going on vibes. There's just no rhyme or reason.

Speaker 1 I mean, I knew we were fucked once Montez sweat was out before the game, but the defense got gashed finally.

Speaker 1 And I think that was the point where it's like for the first part of the season, even last half of last year,

Speaker 1 you could at least hang your hat on. Matt Iberflus is doing a great job with the defense.
The defense has turned around and been an elite defense

Speaker 1 for, like I said, the last half of last year, first half of this year. They've been a top 10 unit.
Today they quit. Today they quit.
And you saw it all week with all

Speaker 1 the people, you know, Jalen Johnson and Bayard and Cole Komet all saying like, hey,

Speaker 1 even Caleb Williams is like, we got to be a player-led team. Essentially saying we don't have a coach.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and Matt Iberflus got lucky too at the end of this game because Caleb should not have been in for that last series.

Speaker 1 Such a fucking moron loser piece of shit.

Speaker 4 And Caleb, he went down awkwardly. I think it was the last play of the game, but it could have been a lot worse.

Speaker 4 He could have been like fireballed on the, like, if they didn't fire Matt Iberflus, if he got his quarterback injured in a game like this, then they're just never going to fire the guy.

Speaker 4 It would have been like the worst coaching decision of the year in the NFL. They just, yeah, they played like

Speaker 4 they played soft. They played.

Speaker 4 They look afraid. They look lost.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals, and credit to Cardinals. Cardinals, I think, are like, they're a good team.
Kyler didn't even have to be Hero Kyler today. They just ran the ball down our throat.

Speaker 1 He made the plays when he needed to make, but it wasn't like Kyler had to run around and make incredible plays.

Speaker 1 They just lined up and just beat us.

Speaker 4 The first half, they were running the football down your throat.

Speaker 1 Down our throat. The

Speaker 1 next-gen stats, 16 different Cardinals got a pressure against the Bears on Sunday. The Cardinals had a 26.6% pressure rate going into the game.
They pressured Caleb Williams on 46% of his dropouts.

Speaker 4 You say 16 Cardinals?

Speaker 1 16 Cardinals.

Speaker 4 That's so hard to do.

Speaker 1 They're like pulling guys off the bench, being like, hey, you want to get a pressure? Go ahead. Just get in the game.
46.6% pressure rate.

Speaker 1 That's got to be the most amount of players to get a pressure in an nfl game right since 2018 only only in those six years yeah that seems just insane to me it's it's just an all-out disaster i'm so so like i'm sick it was if we didn't have to stream the game i would have turned the game off because it was such a gross gross watch and the team has quit and maddie brafuse has to go has to go they will not fire him in the middle of the season because the mccaskies run the fucking organization like it's 1925 and it doesn't fucking matter to them

Speaker 1 and we'll probably hire another weenie as a head coach.

Speaker 1 I'll get my hopes up that it's Ben Johnson and then we'll be like, oh, you know, the defensive coordinator for the fucking Panthers did a pretty good job this year. Let's hire him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck. This, you know, oh, did you see

Speaker 1 the offense for,

Speaker 1 you know, the offense for the fucking... I don't even know.
Like, oh, the Cowboys' offense actually turned around at the end of the year. Let's hire the offensive corporate.
Like, it's so stupid.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 4 You know who's good on TV? Jason Garrett.

Speaker 4 Let's get him back.

Speaker 1 It's fucking... I literally daydream about what it would be like if Jim Harbo was a coach of this team.
Because this team has talent, and they just are just so, so poorly coached.

Speaker 1 And we're just right back in the same bullshit. And Caleb Williams deserves better.
And I convinced myself it was going to be different because I, what am I supposed to do?

Speaker 1 I'm an idiot fan, and I convince myself it's going to be different every year. And it's the same shit.

Speaker 4 You just got to worry. You alluded to it, but you got to worry about them breaking Caleb.

Speaker 1 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 1 It was a concern after the Texans game. It's now DEF CON, like red, like whatever DEF CON you do, because I'm convinced it's going to happen now.

Speaker 4 There was a moment during a play where Caleb was running around with the ball, and he shrugged and threw his arms up, like, what the fuck am I supposed to do during a play as he's scrambling?

Speaker 4 And at that point, you're like, this guy is, he's teetering right now.

Speaker 1 It's just, they suck, and they're always going to suck because the owners are going to always do the same shit, and it's just going to be the same fucking shit over and over and over.

Speaker 1 And I don't know why I get excited. I shouldn't have ever gotten excited.
I feel like an idiot, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Matty Bruff was a loser. Get him out.

Speaker 3 Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 Wash McDaniel. Bill Belichick doesn't like Caleb Williams.
You've told me that.

Speaker 1 He bashed him on the inside of the NFL. Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 4 Now that's a name.

Speaker 4 That's a man.

Speaker 1 That's a man who would come in and stuff all these fucking losers in a locker and be like, this is how we're going to play football.

Speaker 3 You need the guru offensive coordinator, too, though, I think.

Speaker 1 I agree with that. Ben Johnson is, I'm going to, I'm going to make a little dream board, and every night I'm going to kiss it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to kiss Ben Johnson on the lips and be like, please, Ben, come and save the franchise.

Speaker 4 What about this? What about a mix of what Hank's talking about? What about Vrabe's head coach, Josh McDaniels, OC?

Speaker 1 That's fine. Mike Vrabel

Speaker 1 would be the most competent coach since Lovey. I mean, that's the other thing is you look at what the Bears have had for

Speaker 1 Mark Tressman, John Fox,

Speaker 1 Matt Nagy, Matt Eberflus.

Speaker 1 They kicked Lovey to the curb. I understand time, whatever.

Speaker 1 He won 10 games, and we've been searching for that competency since. And you get one blip.
That's all the Bears franchise does. One blip every now and then, Lightning in a Bottle, 2018.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit, this might be something. They don't give a fuck.

Speaker 4 Ryan Day.

Speaker 1 Fuck Ryan Day. No.
If he could play Penn State every week, I'd take Ryan Day.

Speaker 1 You know what? You know what? Yeah, you know who they're going to get? You know who they're going to get? They're going to get Stinkin' Riley.

Speaker 4 And that's going to suck. Reunite him?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're going to get Stinkin' Riley.

Speaker 1 He's going to bolt.

Speaker 1 from

Speaker 1 USC, and

Speaker 1 that's going to be a disaster.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he's going to get Caleb Williams playing good football, and that defense is going to erode, and it's going to just be like the Bears will then flip into a team that scores a lot and has the worst defense in the NFL.

Speaker 4 What would you say if this happened?

Speaker 3 You'd prefer that, though, over this. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I just want

Speaker 1 to go into a game being like,

Speaker 1 we got a head coach that could out-coach the other side. Hasn't happened in a long-ass time.

Speaker 4 What would you think, Big Cat, if the Cowboys cowboys fired mike mccarthy no

Speaker 1 he does win games but no i can't i've said too many things you've said a lot of things i've said way too many things that would be the funniest outcome for you for me personally yeah or jason garrett would be funny too

Speaker 1 season's over they're not going to the playoffs obviously they might not even beat the patriots next week because this is quit watch this is full-on quit watch and uh then they play everyone in the nfc north we're going to get our teeth kicked in every single week we have a bet we play the lions Lions on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 Do you have a Mayor's bet between Big Cat and Hank?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 This team makes me sick. No.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 they could have quit.

Speaker 1 I think that first half, end of first half, was a quit play.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think they know deep down they have a shit head coach who's a loser. And once the team knows that, like I said, the defense was the last to know because

Speaker 1 he is a good defensive coach. But once the defense figures it out, it's over.
It's over.

Speaker 3 Whose line is it anyway for

Speaker 1 Patriots at Bears?

Speaker 4 Oh, at Bears? Bears, they've got the longest home winning streak in the NFL.

Speaker 1 I think we're probably four and a half point favorites.

Speaker 1 Maybe five?

Speaker 4 I think Big Cat's right. I think it's somewhere in between four and five.

Speaker 3 Bears minus seven. You guys are wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 1 Wow. I'm just so down on this team.
I don't know what else to say. I'm so sad.
I'm so stupid. And all the sickos and perverts are so happy that they get to see this.

Speaker 3 But the true sickos and perverts should know it. This is not the best way for this to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, you wanted it to be more perverse? No, I mean, the true sickos.

Speaker 4 You wanted it to be really

Speaker 4 sick.

Speaker 1 You speak for the sickos and perverts. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You are number one sickos and perverts.

Speaker 3 We needed you higher before you got this low.

Speaker 1 Right, because

Speaker 1 I only got Jaguars 4-2. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was it.

Speaker 1 That was the peak. Hang the banner.
Beat a terrible Jaguars team to go 4-2.

Speaker 3 Like, we needed hope for it. We needed games that maybe

Speaker 3 were for playoff spots.

Speaker 1 At the minimum. But I, okay, so I go back to the.
At the end of the season, it was like, yeah, but I was going to go to the Super Bowl. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, I might have said some crazy shit over over the summer, but I've been very clear.

Speaker 1 I even said, I think last week, I think before I think last week and two weeks ago, I was like, if they don't go 4-1 in this stretch, which they didn't, there's no chance at the playoffs.

Speaker 1 So I knew this.

Speaker 1 The back half of the Bears schedule is a gauntlet. We're not winning games against the Vikings, the Packers, and the Lions.
So

Speaker 1 that's revisionist.

Speaker 1 I think I said last week we're not going to the playoffs. When PFT said that we...
I think last week, obviously. Well, we were still 4-3.

Speaker 1 yeah but I was talking about before the season yeah I know so you're right summertime I do get crazy I'm sorry that I care about football in the summer unlike you golf boy

Speaker 1 that's a fact golf boy you are

Speaker 1 you you don't even know golf you wouldn't even know your schedule

Speaker 1 in the summer yeah that's the my favorite time my favorite part of football season is August because I can get excited and the possibilities are endless hard knocks and I get fucking pumped up and I tell myself it's gonna be different and then it's slowly the air comes out of the balloon as the year goes along and then today it was popped.

Speaker 3 We got to get to get a good coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't say we. It's never going to happen though.
It's never going to happen. Speaking for Chicago.

Speaker 1 They will not hire a good coach. They will not do it.

Speaker 3 I actually do feel bad.

Speaker 1 We had Bruce Arians in the fucking building and we hired Matt or Mark Trussman instead of him. That's the Bears.
That is exactly what the Bears organization does.

Speaker 1 Bruce Arians went on to win a shitload of games with the Cardinals and then a shitload of games with the Bucs. And we hired Mark Tressman.

Speaker 4 I actually think that Robert Salah is going to be a good coach this next top.

Speaker 1 They'll hire Robert Salah. That will definitely be the coach they hire.
100%. They'll be like, yeah, he's fine.
He's a great interview. He fucking coached defense.
Ugh. Monsters of the Midway.

Speaker 1 1985.

Speaker 4 You know who was on that 1985 team? Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher.
Ron Rivera.

Speaker 1 Ron Rivera as well. But Jeff Fisher as well.

Speaker 1 All right. Anything else? Cardinals are good.
I'm buying on the Cardinals stock.

Speaker 4 So the Cardinals, yes, there's a good chance that the Cardinals make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I think they're a pretty good team. Yeah, four out of five.
And I made fun of Jonathan Gannon. He's a good head coach.
We got the wrong guy from the Colts staff. They told that story today.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh, yeah, Matt Ebreflues' kids

Speaker 1 babysat. I almost said kidnapped.
Babysat Jonathan Gannon's kids. So cute.
We got the wrong guy. Again.

Speaker 1 Again.

Speaker 3 Would you recognize Jonathan Gannon in the street? Yes.

Speaker 1 Pew, pew. Explosives, of course.

Speaker 3 I've watched that video a thousand times. What if he's wearing like a button-up and like a vest?

Speaker 1 I don't think he can go anywhere without saying pew-pew.

Speaker 1 This is what he does. All right, here's a good thing.
Here's one good thing that happened to me this weekend.

Speaker 1 The Lions beat the shit out of the Packers. And Jordan Love.

Speaker 1 So Lions 24, Packers 14.

Speaker 1 This is the only saving grace I had. The Packers also might be in trouble.

Speaker 4 Jordan Love does not look healthy right now.

Speaker 1 And he also loves throwing interceptions.

Speaker 4 That one at the end of the first half was absolutely ridiculous. I don't know what he was thinking on that.

Speaker 4 Dummy, dummy play. What did Jules call him? Do you call him Doidoy plays? Doidoy players.
Yeah, Jordan Love's got a few Doidoy plays in him every game, it seems like.

Speaker 4 He throws some of the funniest non-Jameis interceptions, but the Lions are just inevitable. You can't stop the Lions.
You can't. They've got too many options, too many weapons.

Speaker 4 It's not like they lit the scoreboard on fire this week.

Speaker 5 They played good football.

Speaker 4 They played good offensive football, but they didn't like throttle you like they have in weeks past.

Speaker 1 I think they could have if they wanted to, but it was rainy weather, shitty weather, and they got up to a lead and they're like, we got this.

Speaker 1 And they, they, they did a Dan Campbell, where it's like the Packers chose to kick a field goal early in the game, and then the Lions, I think, scored two touchdowns on fourth and ones. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's, that's what he does. And it's Dan Campbell, the way he coaches, you know, when they're going to go on fourth down.
They play, they, he's so, they're so smart with how they operate.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson and Dan Campbell, like, their third down play sets up their fourth down play because they already know.

Speaker 4 Right. They know when it's still second down.
Right. Like, they're like, okay, here's what we do if we don't get this.
We try to pick up some yards on third down.

Speaker 4 Then we have an easy fourth down play.

Speaker 1 It never feels like you get to a fourth down with the Lions and they're like on the sideline being like hemming and hawing, being like, I don't know if we should go.

Speaker 1 They knew what they were going to do before that.

Speaker 4 One thing I've never seen them do is call it a think-it-over timeout. Right.
I hate the think-it-over timeout. That's the worst timeout that you can have in the biz.

Speaker 4 Amon Ra was great again today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he wore a Green Bay Suck sweatshirt. I got to buy one of those.

Speaker 4 The Green Bay Sucks sweatshirt, getting off the bus was pretty intense. Although, I think he had Green Bay as one word, not two, right? Yeah.
Which is pretty disrespectful to the city. Yep.

Speaker 4 And then Jared Goff proved he could win an outdoor game in bad weather. Yeah.
That's huge. Huge for Jared's confidence.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was. And it was like

Speaker 1 the Packers moved the ball, like, pretty well. They just kept on shooting themselves in the foot with drop passes and penalties and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 And the Lions are a team that if you cause any like careless errors, they'll just punish you for it. I mean, you saw it with the, with the pick six.
That was just a bad, bad pass.

Speaker 1 And Kirby Joseph, I think that was his sixth interception this year. And the Lions are just.

Speaker 4 They're a wagon, and they have they're kind of running away with the NFC nfc north even though i know the vikings only have two losses but it feels like uh the lions i don't know how you stop the lions yeah jameer gibbs is just so fast when he gets the ball so crazy so they put up a stat i'd never seen before but i actually thought was pretty interesting they track the the speed that every ball carrier runs at the line of scrimmage so crossing the line of scrimmage jameer gibbs is two miles per hour faster than the league average.

Speaker 4 So the league average is you're running nine miles per hour when you hit the line. He goes like 11 miles per hour.
That's right.

Speaker 4 And you can see he squirts through a lot of small holes at the line. They just, the, the Lions offense is, I think, as close to unstoppable as you can get if they're all healthy.

Speaker 1 And Jameson Williams has been, his, his suspension is now over.

Speaker 4 It might be, but then there was also a report that the cop in Detroit looked the other way when they saw a gun in the car.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. Did he do, is it illegal to have a gun?

Speaker 4 I guess I think some not

Speaker 4 registered. And not put

Speaker 4 I think his brother might have been in the car, and his brother had a gun that was registered to him, but then there might have been another gun in the car. Got it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 the cop was like, oh, yeah, you're Jameson Williams from the Lions. And

Speaker 4 his iPhone screensaver thing on his lock screen was like a big Lions logo. Yeah.
And he showed it to me. He's like, look, I'm a big fan of yours.

Speaker 4 So now they're doing an investigation on that cop for whether or not he should have arrested Jamison Williams.

Speaker 1 He's the Lions fan. Yeah.
Lions are 7-1. 7-1 is the first time since 1956.

Speaker 3 What's the point of being a pro sports player if you're not going to get

Speaker 1 it?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 That's a real, like a sports city that had recent success, they would know you got to look the other way. Yeah.
Part of the deal.

Speaker 1 Jordan Love is not healthy. I don't know why they played him this week when they have a bye week coming up, but it felt dangerous to play him in this weather.

Speaker 1 He looked not healthy. I'm hoping.
Look, I know Jordan Love's good. I'm just hoping that he just keeps throwing dumb interceptions because that's kind of all I have at this point.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there were a couple steps that he made on that slick turf where it was like, this guy should not be out here trying to cut on that with like an injured groin.

Speaker 1 And then Malik Willis is good.

Speaker 1 He's good. Let him play.
And I know the Packers are not a bad team, but it did help me a little that

Speaker 1 they lost this game.

Speaker 1 The Packers are on a buy, and then the next game they play is the Bears. They'll kill us by 100, and I'll have to fucking deal with that, and that will suck really, really bad.

Speaker 1 But maybe Jordan Love will keep throwing interceptions at really bad times.

Speaker 1 That's basically all I've got. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's fun. That's fun to root for.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't think that the Detroit Lions necessarily need a pass rusher.

Speaker 4 They still root one. I know everyone's like, they're going to get one.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I think at the end of, think about it.

Speaker 4 What I'm saying is, I don't think that they're going to overpay for a pass rusher.

Speaker 1 I agree with that. I think

Speaker 1 they're going to get someone because you do need at least an insurance plan, especially when it comes down to a playoff football game.

Speaker 1 The margins are so thin that having a guy who can win a one-on-one battle in the fourth quarter can be the difference between going to the Super Bowl and not.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, it'd be awesome if they got Max Crosby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think he's going to. Mark Davis loves him.

Speaker 4 Apparently, they just reached out about him today or maybe yesterday.

Speaker 1 Mark Davis did say untouchable.

Speaker 4 They're still thinking about it.

Speaker 1 And I actually, Mark Davis might be the one guy that I think he might be just telling the truth. Yeah.
Because he's

Speaker 1 like, Mark Davis doesn't feel like he's playing a game of poker.

Speaker 4 You don't think he's a shrewd negotiator? negotiator?

Speaker 3 When it comes to it, it's just a business, and they don't take it personal.

Speaker 1 He's taking it personally. He's like, Max Crosby is like a son to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But then Tom Brady might pick up the phone and make a call and be like, hey, you got to do this.

Speaker 4 Oh, speaking of Tom Brady in this game, he got mad because Brian Branch got ejected for that helmet to helmet hit. Remember that one? Seemed like a pretty dirty hit.
Pretty bad hit.

Speaker 4 I like Brian Branch too, by the way. I think he's one of the most entertaining players in the secondary in the NFL right now.

Speaker 4 But he got ejected ejected for that helmet-to-helmet hit, and then Brady started to say how that call makes no sense to eject him for it.

Speaker 4 Like, throw the flag, give it 15 yards, don't kick him out of the game.

Speaker 4 And then all the Twitter narcs out there,

Speaker 4 Mike Florios of the world, all the various other aggregators out there, started pointing out that Tom Brady is technically not allowed to criticize officiating as an announcer.

Speaker 1 Florio.

Speaker 4 So what's the NFL going to do about that?

Speaker 4 It's funny because Tom Brady's gotten himself into a a situation which is basically impossible, where he's not allowed to criticize the officiating as an analyst during a game.

Speaker 1 Or talk to the teams beforehand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. There's really no.
There's no sense.

Speaker 4 Tom Brady's just hoping that nobody calls him out on it, and Florio's not one to keep his mouth shut about that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also like Brian Branch got a double penalty. Oh, because he flipped the

Speaker 1 flipping off the crowd on the way out and got another penalty. Yeah.
Which is great. But yeah, the Lions are the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 1 No, I'll say it. The Chiefs are undefeated, but the Lions are the best team in the NFL right now.
Yeah, I agree. Like, the Chiefs haven't been winning like the Lions have been winning.

Speaker 1 Do I think that if the Chiefs played the Lions in the Super Bowl, would I take the Lions? No, because it's Patrick Mahomes, and he would just figure out a way to do it.

Speaker 1 But if they were playing next week, you would. If they were playing next week, I would take the Lions.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think the Lions are definitely, without a doubt, the best team in the NFC, and I think you could make a great case. They're the best team in football.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Last two games. Max, Eagles, 28.
Jaguars, 23. You guys almost blew this game.

Speaker 1 Yep. Also, you had two of the coolest plays ever.
Saquon hurtling a guy backwards, and then Devontae Smith's touchdown in the end zone, which was incredible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those are both very high moments.

Speaker 1 They're a very good football team.

Speaker 1 Questionable coaching decisions

Speaker 1 on the board. Tell us about them.

Speaker 1 Tell us about them. What were the most questionable?

Speaker 1 Both of the two-point conversions, I'm actually fine with. Well, you got a penalty on one of them.

Speaker 1 We got a penalty on both of them. Yeah.
They were both at the one,

Speaker 1 which you just do that. Like, you get them all at the one, especially the tush push didn't look good today.

Speaker 1 We have a lot of linemen that are hurt.

Speaker 4 It does feel like Sirianni fell in love with the idea that he discovered where

Speaker 4 if you have like a timeout in your pocket during the first half and you line up to go for two, just try to get them to commit a penalty.

Speaker 4 And if they don't, then call a timeout and kick the extra point. If they do commit a penalty, then guess what? You get to run the two-point conversion from the one-yard line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he does love to do that.

Speaker 3 Whatever.

Speaker 1 He also, I feel like you guys need a new two-point play.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like a variation off the tush push.

Speaker 1 He tried to do that. Yeah.
And it didn't work. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 The field goal at the end. The field goal at the end made zero sense.
There were three options. It was fourth and two,

Speaker 1 up five,

Speaker 1 with, I think it was just over the two-minute.

Speaker 1 There's three options. Go for it on fourth and two, win the game, kick a punt, make Trevor Lawrence go the entire distance of the field,

Speaker 1 still up one score,

Speaker 1 or kick

Speaker 1 a 57-yard field goal to make a one-score game, a one-score game.

Speaker 1 And give him a short field goal. And give him a short field if you don't get it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's the same probability that he kicks that field goal that he does of picking up the fourth and two, but the fourth and two wins the game, and the field goal makes a one-score game, a one-score game.

Speaker 1 It made no sense.

Speaker 1 That decision made zero sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the only really decision there is. No, you just go for it there.
Yeah. I mean, you could punt it, but

Speaker 1 you just go for it. End the game.
But the punt is.

Speaker 1 Field goal shouldn't even be an option. The field goal should not be an option.
The decision should be go for it or punt it. The field goal makes zero sense.
Yes, agreed.

Speaker 1 But he won the game, and you got to give him credit. The team has looked a lot better coming off the bye.
Yep. So he's got the guys in a position to win, but his in-game decision-making is

Speaker 1 every single week. It's just the same discussion of like he makes the wrong decision every single time.

Speaker 1 There just needs to be someone, Big Dom needs to be in his fucking ear after every fourth down and be like, are you sure that's what you want to do here, Nick?

Speaker 1 You sure this is what you want to do here, Nick? Do you know what he needs?

Speaker 1 I've said that I need to create this software where when I put in my bets, it just reverses it for me without telling me.

Speaker 1 And I never can figure it out, but I just like somehow just win all my bets because I'm just reversing it. He needs to say something into the headset and have it just automatically be reversed.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that would be great. Yeah, where he thinks he's in control.

Speaker 4 He's going to connect directly to Big Dom, and then he makes his final call, and then Big Dom changes it.

Speaker 1 Or it's just

Speaker 1 some software that just translates it so his voice comes in with saying the exact opposite thing. Yeah, yeah.
The players on the Eagles were fantastic today. Yeah.
They were fantastic.

Speaker 4 So your first half was incredible.

Speaker 1 Is A.J. Brown okay?

Speaker 1 To be determined.

Speaker 1 That's very important. To be determined.
That's very important. Also,

Speaker 1 the scoop and score is one of the craziest things I've ever seen on a football field. You mean when Saquon just fell?

Speaker 1 He got tackled and was down for five seconds, and they did a scoop and score. So sick.
They reviewed it and still gave them the touchdown.

Speaker 4 Saquon gets tackled. He falls on the ground.
The ground forces the ball out. The refs rule in real time that he has not been touched down.

Speaker 4 The Jaguars pick the ball up, return for a touchdown. Then they look at it like five times.
It felt like the longest review ever. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then they just ignored the fact that Saquon's foot got hit out from under him, which made him stumble forward into his lineman fall down. And they didn't.

Speaker 1 Max,

Speaker 4 if they had fucked you guys over and you lost that game,

Speaker 4 you should have gone to drastic measures to protest that.

Speaker 1 Philadelphia should have been. I wanted you to lose that game so bad to take heat off me.

Speaker 1 It would have been great.

Speaker 1 It made no sense. Like,

Speaker 1 we were watching it in the cave with no sound, and they kept showing the play, and we were like, oh, okay. Oh, okay, that's fine.
That's just going to.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 the Jags just started kicking the extra point, and then I just started freaking out because I couldn't hear what was going on. So I was like, why are they kicking the extra point?

Speaker 1 Why are they kicking the extra point?

Speaker 4 Did they do a pull report about it? Did the refs talk about

Speaker 4 the call? Because they have to answer for that, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, did they ever answer to it, Max? I think that they said because he hit the lineman, but that happens all the time. Yeah, that was weird.
It was very weird.

Speaker 1 They just made up a rule in the middle of it. I think they just fucked up, and then they were like, Yeah,

Speaker 1 well, here's something. Like,

Speaker 1 that's what I think they did. They were like, here's something.

Speaker 1 Whatever, they won the game.

Speaker 4 Max, I was rooting for the Jaguars to win that game because I just wanted to see you go absolutely nuclear. I wanted to see you at your maddest

Speaker 1 so maddest. Stephen Che was egging me on,

Speaker 1 which

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 one of the worst feelings in the world. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, like, state of the union for the Eagles, they're 5-2.

Speaker 1 6-2? 5-2. 2-2.
6-2. 6-2.

Speaker 1 Cowboys and Commanders coming up. I'll ask you this.
If you go 2-0, are you thinking

Speaker 1 we're the second-best team in the NFC?

Speaker 1 I'm thinking if we go 2-0 these next two if we go 2-0 I'm thinking there's no reason we don't we can't beat the Lions yeah I love that what if you go 0-2

Speaker 1 then we're in big trouble Sirianni gone

Speaker 1 yeah I mean no

Speaker 1 I I don't want to

Speaker 1 I was if they lost that game Sirian the city of Philadelphia would have gone nuclear on Siriani, and I would have probably done the same. He has got them playing much better football right now.

Speaker 1 The decision-making has to to be better. The in-game decision-making has to be better.
Yeah, I think that's fair. That's a fair thing to say.

Speaker 4 They're playing really hard, though. Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think the Jaguars had one first down in the first half.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 the defense was humming. And then, I mean, still, even if you take away that

Speaker 1 the defense didn't give up a lot of points,

Speaker 1 and even on that last drive, they were working on a short field,

Speaker 1 and then Nacoby Dean makes a huge play to win the game. So the defense made big plays when they needed to make big plays.

Speaker 1 The secondary has been awesome, which I haven't been able to say about the Eagles for a really long time. Yeah,

Speaker 1 your guy from Toledo is awesome. Quinnion Mitchell is so good.

Speaker 1 It's turning into he's a rookie and just he gets no targets.

Speaker 1 I think he had one target today the entire game.

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Speaker 1 My question for you, Max.

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts,

Speaker 1 it's full. He's been awesome, bro.
He's been awesome. Yeah.
Since the buy, I think he has like 130 quarterback rating, 12 touchdowns, zero intercepts. Follow-up rowback question.

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Yeah, I said that before the game. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 So that was a joke. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 those jerseys are incredible. Yeah.
Why wear them against the Jaguars?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 1 But counterpoint,

Speaker 1 that screenshot of Saquon lives forever, and it's so much better. And Kelly Green.
Yeah, good point. Good point.
And Devontae Smith's catch.

Speaker 4 I didn't even know that it was possible to back hurdle a guy.

Speaker 1 It's so dangerous.

Speaker 1 He should not do that again. No.

Speaker 1 If anyone lined him up perfectly, he just gets rocked.

Speaker 4 It's like jumping over a car.

Speaker 4 It was crazy. Like he just

Speaker 4 found himself, he didn't even think about it. He just found his feet in that position.
He goes, I guess I'm jumping. And to go backwards over another dude, I've never seen that.

Speaker 1 And the craziest part is the spin move before that was incredible. No,

Speaker 1 it's going to be the least talked about spin move of all time. That was so sick.
So sick. Yeah, it was

Speaker 1 just an incredible highlight.

Speaker 1 He's so good. He's like,

Speaker 1 I think it's fair to say that he's on the McCaffrey level of like he's a running back that can actually make a difference in your offense. As long as he doesn't trump or pass the Falcons game.

Speaker 1 Correct. But yes, other than that, no, I agree.
Saquon is, yeah,

Speaker 1 you have to be ready for him.

Speaker 1 He is in that.

Speaker 1 It's McCaffrey.

Speaker 1 It's Bijan.

Speaker 4 Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry is different, though, because Derrick Henry

Speaker 1 will just run over people and run past people. I'm saying McCaffrey, Saquon, Bijan,

Speaker 1 those three guys, if they're in space,

Speaker 1 you're fucked. If they're one-on-one in space.

Speaker 4 Gibbs might be like that, too. Gibbs as well, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Those guys are so special that when you just get them in space,

Speaker 1 the defense can't do anything. You can't tackle them one-on-one.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's been incredible this year. He's got, how many yards does Saquon have this year? I think 960.
Holy shit. So he's also 925.
And he already had his buy. So

Speaker 1 he's on the same as Derrick Henry 2K watch.

Speaker 4 Who do you guys play last week of the season? The Giants?

Speaker 1 That would be awesome.

Speaker 4 Because I think it's Cowboys Commanders last, I think. So that would make it.

Speaker 1 That would be awesome if Saquon goes. Oh, so it's Giants at Philly.

Speaker 4 If Saquon gets 2,000 yards against the Giants, that would be special.

Speaker 4 You just got to stay healthy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pray for health. Pray for health.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Good for you, Max. I'm happy you won.

Speaker 1 Not really. No, I'm not.
No, I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 1 It just would have been great because it would have just been

Speaker 1 you would have been

Speaker 1 a really good friend move. Yep.
For you to take some heat off me. Sorry.

Speaker 1 Because like PFT's team is awesome. Your team is awesome.
Even Memes won. And then the one other guy who lost here just doesn't even give a fuck.

Speaker 3 That's not true.

Speaker 1 He lost Marvin Harrison, though. Yeah, he did.

Speaker 3 I was more locked into my game than probably anyone who was on anyone's game today. You were

Speaker 1 in the football game. To the game? You were walked into the game.
You were locked into the player. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Marvin Harrison thing. I'm sorry, Hank.
It's all right. That was tough.

Speaker 1 All right. Rams 26, Seahawks, 20.
To wrap it up, this one team had Geno Smith, and one team had Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Geno Smith with a couple bad picks. He threw a great, he had a great drive to end the game, to tie it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is it with the Seahawks?

Speaker 1 And I don't know if this is, because this is one thing that, you know, we obviously are watching all the games, but every single week, without fail, you look up and the Seahawks' entire team is chasing after a snap that's gone over Geno Smith's head or through his hands.

Speaker 1 What is that? The rain.

Speaker 1 Every week, though. Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 4 It's definitely strange.

Speaker 1 It happened twice this week, I want to say.

Speaker 4 This is a big win for the Rams. Huge.
Puka Nakua getting ejected in the first half.

Speaker 1 For nothing.

Speaker 4 We talked about like Puka Nakua is the funnest guy to watch without the ball in his hand sometimes. Yeah, sometimes he like throws a little baby punch and the refs were staring too closely at him.

Speaker 1 He was not the instigator in that.

Speaker 4 He got shoved and then he did like, I don't think it was a punch. I think it was one of those open-handed face shoves.

Speaker 1 Crazy ejection.

Speaker 4 Which is, yeah, that's if you're going to tell your player to hit somebody in the face, you want them to do the open-handed one and not the fist. Yeah.
Smarter to go open-handed.

Speaker 1 I guess the one good thing is like he couldn't couldn't get banged up. Yep.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was saved. They put him in preservative for this game.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Gino had some bad picks today.

Speaker 1 And Matthew Stafford's overtime was just, it was perfect football. Yeah.
He was, he played perfect football in the overtime. And the Rams, like, they looked deader than dead at halftime.
What?

Speaker 3 Well, the Seahawks could have kicked a field goal in overtime to take a lead and went for it on fourth down.

Speaker 1 But it wouldn't have mattered.

Speaker 4 I don't have that much of a problem with that.

Speaker 3 Because if you kick a field goal, it wouldn't have mattered because they scored a touchdown, but still.

Speaker 1 But they would have lost no matter what.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I just think it was... I didn't like that move.

Speaker 1 I have no problem with that move. I guess you could make the argument that the Seahawks offensive line has not been great, so it's like maybe getting one yard is not the easiest.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, you can end the game with a touchdown, right?

Speaker 4 And it was what, fourth and two? It was fourth and one.

Speaker 1 Fourth and one?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah, I don't have a problem with him going for it.
It was like, you know, 50-50 coin flip to kick a field goal.

Speaker 4 I could see a lot of coaches kicking that field goal, but I just don't think you want to keep it.

Speaker 1 Go for it. Yeah, you don't want to give the ball to Matthew Stafford.
He's going to go score a touchdown. Trust your defense.
Yeah, but it's Matthew Stafford, and he's really fucking good.

Speaker 1 I would like to try to end the game without giving the ball back to Matthew Stafford. And that was the way you could do it.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, you're just hoping he doesn't score a touchdown, which he then did no matter what.

Speaker 4 Personally. Also, your defense isn't particularly great.

Speaker 1 Jackson Smith and Jigba was awesome. He was, yeah.

Speaker 4 Would he have like 150?

Speaker 1 He made just every big catch and then

Speaker 1 and what Cooper Carpenter had 11 catches. But yeah, the Rams, I am worried about my pinky.
The Rams, Matthew Stafford gives you a chance in any game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they unlock Demarcus Robinson. Yep.

Speaker 4 The Rams do next man up at wide receiver better than anybody.

Speaker 1 It's a combo of coaching and Matthew Stafford. Yeah.
Where it's just like,

Speaker 1 those guys, if you put those guys on any other team, I don't think they'd be nearly as good.

Speaker 1 But because they're schemed open by Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford's throwing them the ball, they played to the best of their abilities. Yeah.
But yeah, the Rams are now very much. I mean,

Speaker 1 it was two weeks ago that they were basically deader than dead, and they beat the Vikings, they beat the Seahawks, and now they're 4-4 and in second place in the NFC West. That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 Yeah, let's see what's the Rams schedule coming up.

Speaker 1 They played the Dolphins, the Patriots, so that's going to be probably 6-4.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be nervous about this. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 They have the Saints still.

Speaker 1 They do have a tough end of the season.

Speaker 1 At the end of the season, they play

Speaker 1 the Bills,

Speaker 1 49ers, Jets, Cardinals, Seahawks. That could be tough.

Speaker 4 All potential playoff teams.

Speaker 1 All potential playoff teams, right, memes?

Speaker 1 Correct. Did you, memes, today, without your team playing, because they played on Thursday, did you think that you got, like, did you win today? No.
Oh, we We didn't because of the Chargers. Chargers.

Speaker 1 Chargers. Yeah, but what about the Colts and the Broncos? Colts and Broncos both lost.
Yeah, that was a win. That's big.
That was big. Yeah.
Those, you can't think about the Chargers.

Speaker 1 You got to think about.

Speaker 1 You had three teams that you're...

Speaker 1 Or the Bengals, I guess, won too, so that's bad. But I have looked into it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 The Broncos have a gauntlet. The Steelers also have a gauntlet.

Speaker 4 Steelers have the hardest.

Speaker 1 You have have to stop thinking Steelers. Yeah, don't think about the Steelers.
You keep saying Steelers back here. The Steelers are 6-1.
Well,

Speaker 1 all the AFC North teams have to play each other still. Right.
And

Speaker 1 that's going to eliminate.

Speaker 1 That's going to get some losses there. Right.

Speaker 4 Two of them. I mean, we're not.

Speaker 4 You're not going to catch. I don't think you're going to catch the Steelers.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 They could just fall off a cliff.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you would have to climb an even bigger cliff.

Speaker 1 We might never lose a game again. Okay.
All right. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 I like it. Play the Cardinals next week.
The Cardinals are hot.

Speaker 1 They could look ahead past us. They could look ahead past us.
Playing 3-6 Jets team. We just won four out of five.

Speaker 4 That's the beauty of playing Possum memes. They think that you're dead.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at it right now. Memes might not be wrong.
Because if the Bills in week 17 have it all the way wrapped up, they might already be sitting starter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, all the playoff probabilities on this website is a joke.

Speaker 1 The Vikings did win.

Speaker 1 It felt like they were sleepwalking the start of the game, but their defense looked back because they held

Speaker 1 the Colts. The Colts did not get into the end zone on offense.

Speaker 4 Right. They had that fumble in the first quarter, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then after that, not a lot. I'll be honest, I didn't watch most of this game because we were podcasting while it was going on after halftime.

Speaker 4 Up until halftime, I was thoroughly unimpressed with both teams.

Speaker 1 Yes, but I'll say this. Sam Darnold started bad.

Speaker 1 I think he played very well in the second half, and his numbers ended up looking pretty good, and he was finding Justin Jefferson, and Sam Darnold might be a pumpkin.

Speaker 1 We can put that off for a week.

Speaker 4 Well, every time I looked up, Justin Jefferson was making a catch downfield.

Speaker 4 That's a good strategy if you feel like if you're turning into a pumpkin, just remember, oh, yeah, I've got maybe the best receiver.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 137 yards. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Should we wrap up with who's back of the week? I think we got a couple stories we got to talk about with Max, too.

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Speaker 1 Henry, who's back of the week?

Speaker 3 My who's back of the week is dead animals.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 We got to get on this.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so this is the problem. So there was a TikToker in New York who found an injured squirrel.

Speaker 1 Peanut.

Speaker 3 Named him Peanut. He took him in.
He brought him back to full health.

Speaker 4 It's an adorable name.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, by that.

Speaker 1 Great squirrel.

Speaker 3 At that point, it had been domesticated. So if you let him back out in the wild, they're just going to die.
So he just kept him in his apartment, posted videos and stuff. Some hater

Speaker 3 reported the accounts to the authorities, and the authorities showed up to his house unannounced, like with a warrant and stuff, took the squirrel, took a bunch of documents, and then euthanized Peanut the Squirrel.

Speaker 1 How

Speaker 4 Memes has his hand up.

Speaker 1 And Fred the raccoon. And Fred the raccoon.

Speaker 4 Don't forget about Fred the Raccoon.

Speaker 4 I was saying earlier that raccoons have a terrible, terrible PR team because they're like the cutest animal ever, and everyone treats them like they are actual garbage.

Speaker 1 Well, it's rabies, yeah, it's rabies, rabies is what kills the cuteness of raccoons, but they're so cute.

Speaker 4 I agree, but that's that's the bad PR getting into your head that the first thing you think of when you think of raccoons is rabies when you should be just thinking, oh, they're adorable little animals.

Speaker 3 I think of Rocky, yeah, uh, I think of that old guy uh YouTube video in the snow just feeding the raccoons, yeah, they're your best friend, Hank.

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 How?

Speaker 1 How can you go into someone's house and kill their animals?

Speaker 4 They confiscated the animal and they just said we're going to kill this animal.

Speaker 3 They confiscated it and then, in order, I guess, to check if it had rabies, they had to euthanize it.

Speaker 1 That is true.

Speaker 4 It's the most ass-backwards part about checking to see if...

Speaker 1 Is that like the Salem witch trial? Yeah. Like we got to throw them in the water and if they come up, they're a witch.

Speaker 4 Like being accused of having rabies as an animal is more deadly than having rabies. Yeah.
It's 100% death rate.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 So, here's why I asked how is because I saw this story and I was like, this doesn't, there's got to be something I'm missing because otherwise, this is the biggest tragedy, travesty of all time.

Speaker 3 I think it's just a Karen hater.

Speaker 1 So, this woman is the worst.

Speaker 3 Like, the guy has a TikTok account and posts a video. So, someone with a stick up their ass was like, this can't be allowed.

Speaker 1 Like, oh my God, this is the worst person ever.

Speaker 4 Is his neighbor, do they also have a TikTok account?

Speaker 3 It might not be a neighbor. It might just be a follower that, you know, it could be anyone.

Speaker 4 Oh, it could be somebody online that saw the video and they're like, I'm going to report you.

Speaker 4 They swatted a squirrel.

Speaker 1 Pretty much.

Speaker 4 That's fucked up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's so fucked up. So I hate this woman.
Woman?

Speaker 1 I think I saw a picture. Somebody, like, they doxed her.

Speaker 3 I didn't see that part. I just saw that it was an anonymous reporter.

Speaker 1 All right, so whoever this person is,

Speaker 1 you should get rabies.

Speaker 4 Somebody should call the Department of Animal Services on you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is crazy. So justice for Peanut.
Man, I feel bad. And Fred.
And Fred. I forgot about Fred.

Speaker 1 Damn. And

Speaker 1 who was the guy?

Speaker 4 Mr. Longo.

Speaker 1 And it was, he just, did he have kids or anything? Was he, like, could they make the argument that the squirrel was going to was was endangering the kids? Like, what? I just can't understand this.

Speaker 3 Officers raided my house as if I was a drug dealer. I was sat outside my house for five hours.
I had to get a police escort to my bathroom.

Speaker 3 I wasn't even allowed to feed my rescue horses, breakfast, or lunch. I was sat there like a criminal after they interrogated my wife to check out her immigration status.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 This is horrendous. Justice for Peanut.
If we have to make a shirt and profit off it to get the word out there, we will.

Speaker 3 They got a search warrant for departments, and a judge signed off on a search warrant for a squirrel and a raccoon, and they took them and killed them.

Speaker 4 I don't want to say that we've got bigger problems as a nation, but if you are spending your time writing up a search warrant for a squirrel,

Speaker 4 you should be called a pussy by that judge.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Alright, so

Speaker 1 we got to get on this case. I don't know, and we're late to it, but we got to do everything we can, and by everything we can, I mean, I'm just going to tweet out justice for Peanut.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like

Speaker 1 it won't bring Peanut back.

Speaker 1 They can't

Speaker 4 plot twist. Oh.

Speaker 4 Peanut was a Yankees fan. Oh.
There's a picture I'm looking at right now of Peanut wearing a Yankees cap.

Speaker 1 Do you think there's a chance that Peanut asked to be killed?

Speaker 1 Peanut was like, take me out. Yeah.
I can't watch this bum Aaron Judge strike out at the plate anymore. It's a fucking end it right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll call the feds on myself.

Speaker 1 I want to memes myself. Yeah.

Speaker 4 There's this adorable little squirrel who's waiting by the front door for you. Go pick him up.

Speaker 1 When was Peanut killed? Before or after the Yankees lost? Did Peanut have to watch that fifth inning?

Speaker 4 I think it was on Thursday night.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, Peanut, that's the last Yankees game to get in the middle of the house. You'll watch him.
I'm looking this up right now.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 This is now.

Speaker 4 The ultimate tragedy. That is animal cruelty.
If you have a pet and you force it to be a Yankees fan. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Damn. I guess we have to wait for all the facts to come out.

Speaker 4 Oh, it was on Wednesday. So it was before.

Speaker 1 So Peanut didn't see the fifth inning. He did not see the fifth inning.
Oh, thank God. So Peanut actually died not knowing who won the World Series.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. And didn't know the dak got hurt.

Speaker 4 The last memory that that Peanut had was

Speaker 4 the

Speaker 4 Capo Bianco brothers.

Speaker 1 Which I'm sure Peanut was a big fan of. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Damn, that's depressing. Okay.
Who's your who's?

Speaker 4 Thank you anything else?

Speaker 1 I like your pants. Thanks.
They're Velour. Yeah, I know.
I was going to say, are they Velour?

Speaker 1 Could you buy them?

Speaker 3 Why'd you say that in a way that

Speaker 3 I'm missing something?

Speaker 1 I don't think you are missing anything.

Speaker 4 I was wondering if you bought them or if they were stolen Valour.

Speaker 1 They came off the back of a truck. I've had these for a long time.

Speaker 1 PFT, your Who's Back of the Week?

Speaker 4 My Who's Back of the Week is college basketball. Yeah.
College hoops tonight. Big slate tonight.
Yeah. We got, I think almost every ranked team is playing, right?

Speaker 1 A lot of them are, yeah. A lot of them are.

Speaker 4 The big one's going to be Baylor Gonzaga

Speaker 4 late night. But yes, college basketball is back big time.
Maine and Duke, the Cooper flag game. Wow.
It's going to be bad blood out there.

Speaker 4 It's good to have different sports on.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love, I mean, college basketball. The college basketball feast week is one of my favorite weeks of the year, and I lose everything, but I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 1 All right, my Who's Back of the Week is Philadelphia sports figures getting into fights with various people. So we had two.

Speaker 1 And I actually think, as a podcast,

Speaker 1 I think we take the side of both the Philadelphia sports figures. I think one's definitely cut and dry, the Kelsey one.

Speaker 1 So if people missed it, there was a, I think, was he at the Penn State game? Penn State game, correct. Yeah, he was just.
Why doesn't Jason Kelsey?

Speaker 1 I guess he doesn't need security, but also, like, why was he walking with beers in his hand? Like,

Speaker 1 he's just a man of the people.

Speaker 4 All right, so the thought occurred to me after I'd say like six hours of just heavy discourse online about Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 4 We had some people saying, like, most people, I'd say 95% of people were like, Jason Kelsey did nothing wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 1 to set the scene, there were walking, and there was a Penn State fan or a kid walking with his phone out, being a piece of shit. And he was like, Your brother is a F-bomb for dating Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 And Jason Kelsey turned around, grabbed his phone, smashed it through the crust of the earth. Awesome spike.

Speaker 1 And then there was another clip after that he walked off with the phone, and the kid was like, give me my phone back, give me my phone back. And Jason Kelsey said, who's the F-word now?

Speaker 4 Which, again, I have no problem.

Speaker 1 Like, that guy brought the F-word into it. Oh, yeah, fair play.
He wasn't saying it's derogatory. He was just saying, like, you just, you, you brought this into this.

Speaker 1 Why would you be such a loser to, like, make fun of my brother and stick a phone in my face? So, I stand with Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think he was in the right. The guy had the phone, and he was, like, screaming at him and very clearly, like, harassing him and foaming around.

Speaker 1 So, what was the thought that occurred to me?

Speaker 4 The thought that occurred to me was,

Speaker 4 was there any chance that was a viral ad for Garage Beer that just got way out of hand? Oh.

Speaker 4 Maybe. The Garage Beer was prominently featured in every angle of every video that I saw.
Interesting. And maybe it got out of hand and somebody posted it, and then it was like, oh shit.
Oh.

Speaker 4 We've really lost the narrative on this one. Oh.
Because

Speaker 4 he was holding the case.

Speaker 4 And, I mean, this is, I tweeted this out, but the first thing I noticed was him holding the case of beer with like his pinky finger and then also holding a beer in that same hand, which is not a guy that you want to fuck with.

Speaker 4 A guy that's just walking around casually, drinking. out of his 12-ounce can while also raising the entire case up to his mouth.
Yeah. That's probably a guy that can kick a lot of ass.

Speaker 4 But yeah,

Speaker 4 the beer was prominently displayed in all angles. I don't think it was fake, but I'm very woke when it comes to stuff like that where it's like

Speaker 4 we've seen a lot of stuff online.

Speaker 1 It was, yeah, I mean, I was just confused why Jason Kelsey was walking by himself in that situation. Like, not, again, he's a man of the people.

Speaker 1 What, Hank?

Speaker 3 I don't think it's that crazy. We walk through

Speaker 1 crowds and

Speaker 1 tailgates. Maybe he has security.
He doesn't need security.

Speaker 1 This kid was a piece of shit. There's no other way to put it.

Speaker 1 Kid was a piece of shit. Jason Kelsey

Speaker 1 was in the right. Also, Jason Kelsey is just not someone you want to fuck with in general.

Speaker 4 I think he's just a pretty normal dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who just wants to be left alone. And drink beer.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So respect to him. I did see people being like, do you not know what the First Amendment is? The First Amendment, like Jason Kelsey, it doesn't protect you from Jason Kelsey smashing your phone.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you deserve your food fish. So, Max, you're good with all this.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 The other funniest part is is that the guy tried to fake Step to him for maybe a half of a second. He was like, This is a really bad idea.
This is

Speaker 1 one of the worst people on the planet that you should be trying

Speaker 1 to start anything with. Correct.

Speaker 4 I think Jason Kelsey should be commended for not beating the fuck out of this guy.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes, for sure.
Showing

Speaker 1 imagine, like, he's literally just in his face saying that about his brother.

Speaker 1 The worst reasoning of all time, by the way,

Speaker 1 that his brother dates one of the most beautiful supermodel pop stars in the world.

Speaker 1 She's one of the most popular pop stars in the world.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 She is. We don't want to make comments about her looks.

Speaker 1 I don't want to talk about her looks. Let's not reduce her.

Speaker 1 I don't see looks.

Speaker 1 Okay. I don't see.

Speaker 4 We don't see sight.

Speaker 1 I don't see looks. I don't see.

Speaker 3 See gross revenue ticket sales.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not. I don't.
I don't.

Speaker 1 I don't boil down Taylor Swift to looks like you.

Speaker 4 Also, Max, by saying she's one of the most beautiful pop stars in the world, that's going to have Taylor Swift fans mad at you.

Speaker 4 One, for commenting on her looks, two, for not saying the most beautiful pop stars.

Speaker 1 Yeah, where's me? A guy like me? I don't see looks. All right.
Disavow my comment. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 4 I admire her brains. Yep, me too.

Speaker 1 And then the other one was Joe Embiid Shoved a Reporter. Now, this one,

Speaker 1 you could make an argument against Joel Mbi'd, but I am not because I am on Joel Embiid's side. This reporter, Marcus Hayes, wrote an article basically calling Joel Embiid.

Speaker 1 So, this is what he said: Joe Embiid consistently points to the birth of his son, Arthur, as a major inflection point in his basketball career.

Speaker 1 He often says that he wants to be great to leave a legacy for the boy named after his little brother, who tragically died in an automobile accident when Embiid was in his first year as a 76er.

Speaker 1 Well, in order to be great at your job, you first have to show up for work, and then goes on to talk about how he hasn't played and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 This guy's a piece of shit because you can write an article about Joel Embiid not playing, load management, being injured, and never bring up his son or his dead brother.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you can, so the second part of that, saying in order to be great at your job, you have to show up for work. You can just take all the context of the family out of it.
Correct.

Speaker 4 Joel Embiid wants to be great at basketball. He says he wants to be great at basketball.
To be great, you have to show up for work.

Speaker 4 You can do that and do the hot take column where you're like, Joel Embiid is soft for not playing more. He's disappointing the city.

Speaker 4 You can say all that stuff, but then to just tie it into your family. And I haven't seen the video of Joel.
Is there video of Joel?

Speaker 1 How is there not video? There's definitely video.

Speaker 1 What's his name's TikToks? Huh? What's his name's TikToks? Jacqueline. Oh, Jared McCain.
Jared McCain was definitely doing a TikTok.

Speaker 1 He was probably dancing with Joel Embiid, shoving someone in the background. No,

Speaker 1 I find it very hard to believe that there's no video, but I think that everyone is on,

Speaker 1 everyone outside of Marcus Hayes is on Joel Embiid's side of this in the locker room. So

Speaker 1 I'm pretty confident that everyone just was like, hey, let's not release this

Speaker 1 because this guy deserves it. The argument against Joel Embiid here is like, you just shouldn't shove a reporter.
But again, I'm not going to make that argument because this guy's a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 You don't have to bring up Joel Embiid's family. Also, fuck Keith Pompei for initially saying that he punched it.
It is a punch.

Speaker 1 A shove and a punch.

Speaker 4 Well, that's what makes it completely different. That's what makes me think it was like maybe closer to a punch than it was.
That's why I want to see the video.

Speaker 1 No, but there's a lot of people that were also in there that says that it was like barely a shove.

Speaker 3 Well, they could just put the video out and put this case to rest, no?

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't have the video. We need the video.
Yeah, I got

Speaker 1 DM Jeremy Casey.

Speaker 3 But wouldn't you agree that them not putting the video out leads to the conclusion that it's probably more likely worse than just a shove?

Speaker 1 No, I think it was

Speaker 1 a light shove. Now, I will say that Marcus Hayes could get me back on his side if he shows up to the next press conference with a neck brace on.

Speaker 1 That would be funny.

Speaker 1 That would be funny.

Speaker 4 I just know that when Hank says, wouldn't you say it's about to be a fucking banger after that? That's when Hank's deep in his banger.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't you say?

Speaker 4 Wouldn't you agree that?

Speaker 1 Wouldn't you say?

Speaker 1 We need to see the video. And we are on Joe Embiid's side.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think if he shoved him and it wasn't anything particularly violent, like there was no chance of him getting injured, if it was just like a shove, like fuck you, buddy, if it was one of those, that's well within his rights.

Speaker 1 It was a big weekend for Philly sports stars following up, like, talk shit, get hit. Yeah, yeah, and those are like our two guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and like, I have no problem with either because these guys are talking massive amounts of shit for no reason, just being shitty people.

Speaker 3 And Joel and Bed's backing up: everything he's done for the city, he deserves a break,

Speaker 1 Max. Yeah, I agree.
Everything? Agree, yes.

Speaker 3 What exactly has he done for the city?

Speaker 1 He puts his body on the line and plays.

Speaker 1 Well, Lord, man.

Speaker 1 Not if Jokic

Speaker 1 Jokic in Denver. In the playoffs,

Speaker 1 the whole Jokic in Denver. Joel Embiid fucking eats Jokic for lunch.
Not in Denver. Not in Denver.

Speaker 1 The fact that people nitpick that just because it's not on the road. Ducked them.
Like their numbers, like Embiid dominates. In Denver?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All the fucking Embiid haters, which and which there are plentiful, love to nitpick every little thing and find one re whatever. So, what is he doing? Answer Hank's.
What has Jokic done in Philly?

Speaker 1 How about that question? What? No,

Speaker 1 no, the question was: what has MB done for Philly?

Speaker 3 He's probably won a couple games. He's probably gone out to eat.

Speaker 1 He's made the Philadelphia. He's on the road.

Speaker 1 He's made the Philadelphia 76ers

Speaker 1 irrelevant basketball program. What do you say?

Speaker 1 A relevant basketball program that when he

Speaker 1 joined.

Speaker 1 Yes. I always say program.
You always get on me for this. Because

Speaker 1 I say every team's a program. Okay.

Speaker 4 The 76ers, a relevant basketball program.

Speaker 1 A

Speaker 1 relevant basketball program when they came from the bottom of the league.

Speaker 1 By choice, by choice. PFG

Speaker 1 would love to be

Speaker 1 the process. I don't give a fuck.
Every team does a process. How many teams? Everything does a process.

Speaker 3 Since 2013, you think I've made the second round of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter. But they're still

Speaker 1 in the top half of the league every year. Where's relevancy?

Speaker 3 They've made the second round. Yeah.
So

Speaker 4 same spot.

Speaker 4 What's relevant?

Speaker 1 Is relevancy the second round?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 they went seven games

Speaker 1 with the Celtics. That's relevant.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's still like, you're still contending. They're not like good contenders.
Jell Ombi gets hurt every fucking year. Fuck you guys.
I'm double.

Speaker 3 I actually had a 3-2 lead in that series, too. He took off a second.

Speaker 1 Same six at home.

Speaker 1 I just want to know where relevancy is. Is it.

Speaker 1 It's definitely not the fucking Bulls. I know it's not.
I never claimed they were.

Speaker 4 I would say that we probably talked about the Sixers

Speaker 4 the second most of all.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm not even trolling.

Speaker 3 I'm just generally curious. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 You're not trolling, you pussy. Of course you're trolling.

Speaker 1 It's the only thing you fucking do on that couch.

Speaker 1 When he says,

Speaker 3 I've done so much for the city, you think Philly fans are thinking, yeah, you know what, Joel, you have.

Speaker 4 No, property taxes. He probably pays.

Speaker 1 just saying he has done so much because he gets hurt every fucking year on the in the playoffs and he plays hurt every fucking year and I'm sure it's not good on his body long term that's what he's saying got it he's a he's a a unicorn of a human that should not be playing as much basketball as he is and he does it I mean he's probably not gonna be able to walk in 20 years because of it so that's what he does for the city but he doesn't have to play that much basketball because yeah well now he's not doing it so that he can play in the playoffs and be healthy right but he doesn't have to play that much in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 He doesn't make the playoffs. Right.
We do make, what do you mean, we don't make the playoffs? Tell me the last time we didn't make the playoffs, Hank. What if?

Speaker 1 Tell me the last time we didn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 Oh, I didn't.

Speaker 3 I said, what if you said, what if?

Speaker 1 I can also barely hear what you're saying. Yeah, you took off your headphones.
He's saying, what if you don't make the playoffs? They're going to make the playoffs. What's the record?

Speaker 1 Paul George is playing.

Speaker 1 If the PFT, you look it up, if the playoffs started today, would they make the playoffs?

Speaker 4 Okay, I'm looking it up right now.

Speaker 3 No, they're one in four.

Speaker 1 So they wouldn't make the playoffs. Oh, oh, one and four.

Speaker 1 What are we going to do? Five games into the season.

Speaker 3 Well, it's going to be one and five because you're going to lose to the Suns tonight.

Speaker 1 Paul George is playing.

Speaker 4 Well, what's interesting is they are in second to last in the East.

Speaker 4 Oh, the Wizards would make the playoffs if they started tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Congrats. Hang a banner.
Oh, wow. Five games into the season.
The Washington Thuns won't make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 The Bowser would be the fifth seed. Wow.

Speaker 1 Congrats. Pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 Any more questions?

Speaker 1 I just was wondering, like, he puts his body on the line, but he doesn't have to play that many playoff games.

Speaker 3 He also gets paid like a jazz.

Speaker 1 And he doesn't have to play that many playoffs.

Speaker 1 At max, he has to play 14 playoff games.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 We're done with this.

Speaker 1 He does.

Speaker 1 Am I right? You've said your piece. Am I right?

Speaker 4 He puts his body on the line.

Speaker 3 He put his body on the line for the MVP, and then he just stopped playing after that.

Speaker 1 That's not incorrect.

Speaker 4 It's like Joelle Embiid and Cops both put their lives on the the line for the city of Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 Thank you. And he also doesn't put his body on the line in Denver.

Speaker 3 USA, though, that was cool. It was nice that his body was available to be on the line in the summer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was nice for Jason Dane to sit on the bottom.

Speaker 1 He actually could have, it would have been more apt for him to say, I've done so much for this country. Yeah.
Because he's won something for this country.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's done just as much for me as he has for you, Max.

Speaker 1 More.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 All right. Good show, boys.
But again, we stand by Joel Embiid and coaching that guy. We 100% stand by Joel Medin.

Speaker 1 I want that to be very clear. Yes, and Kelsey.
We stand by both those guys.

Speaker 4 Also, the guy that...

Speaker 4 Maybe I'm being too woke about this. You know, the guy that was talking shit to Kelsey?

Speaker 1 Hoodie, sunglasses, cap pulled real low.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying,

Speaker 4 what if it was a big viral ad?

Speaker 1 I feel like they would have used

Speaker 1 a different word.

Speaker 4 But it got out of hand.

Speaker 3 It was a nice ad

Speaker 3 to be like, just drop the F slur.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But also, it would have been

Speaker 1 a bad. It worked.
It was the talk of.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 it could have also been a plant by James Franklin to be like, hey, can you get this video viral so no one can talk about me not beating Ohio State for the millionth year in a row?

Speaker 1 I think that was before the game. Yeah.
Yeah, but he knew. But he knew.

Speaker 1 He knew. He did know.

Speaker 3 We are.

Speaker 1 What was that?

Speaker 3 That's Penn State fans. We are.

Speaker 1 Numbers. Three.

Speaker 1 Five. Let's go 21.
Four.

Speaker 1 Eleven.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jeeves.

Speaker 1 Hank just took Shane's number.

Speaker 1 Did Hank say 21? Yeah, he took 21.

Speaker 1 So it's cool shit.

Speaker 3 Sam Biad's number. I wasn't.

Speaker 1 He took a 21 for a year, man. You don't own a number.
15.

Speaker 1 Pug

Speaker 1 99 pull

Speaker 1 forty-nine.

Speaker 1 Forty-nine.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.