Julian Edelman, Bruce Arians In Studio, The Dodgers Win The World Series, The Jets Are Back + Week 9 Picks And Preview

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He stopped by the office today. Great time with him.
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When you bet just five bucks only on draft Kings, the crown is yours. Today is Friday, November 1st and the New York jets try as they might are back temporarily they tried tried tried pft to blow that game many different ways they were dropped they were doing the deshaun jackson they were dropping balls before the uh end zone they were down seven nothing at half they were making just huge mistakes in special teams giving the texans first downs and then somehow and having it work their way whereas a kymie fairbairn missed uh field goal from 27 but the jets have won a game the jets are three and six i can't believe it they're such a bad team but they're three and six and someone in this room is thinks they're all the way back.
I know they're all the way back. I think the Jets are going to win three straight right now.
I think we're going to turn around and the Jets are going to be six and six. It's the cayenne water.
I'm going to start having to put cayenne pepper in my water. I told you on Tuesday night when we were recording, I said, I think I'm going to take the Jets, uniforms the color rush neon black uniforms they're due everyone thought i was dumb well maybe i was just dumb enough to be right i listen i i came around i bet on them i was just like i put on my bowser costume i said the jets are the pick uh i it made no sense they shouldn't be favored over anyone they're a torturous watch torturous watch except for except for garrett wilson's incredible that catch was incredible the shin catch uh the body control he had he is so so good but yeah everything else about the jets is an absolute like even how they started the game where it was uh i think the first play of the game was just hey devontae adams aaron rogers those guys know each other they live together they they just they they can think on the same wavelength air uh devontae adams streaking down the sideline wide open and aaron rogers throws it like he basically hits the the water cooler and then looks at devontae adams like he made the mistake that was an incredible torture it was an incredible catch catch, though.
One of the best catches of the year, if not the best catch of the year. I want to kick it over to our good friend Nick Fasoli.
He's always doing his job here at Barstool Sports. He had an interesting comment about it.
I thought maybe we could discuss. He said, this tops Odell's 100% best catch ever.

Ever.

Best catch ever.

Prisoner of the moment.

Maybe had a couple beers watching Thursday Night Football.

Or is this an accurate take by our good friend Fasoli?

It was a pretty incredible catch.

We've talked about it a million times. But the one thing, NFL players are so good at so many different things.
so fast they're so strong they're so skilled but the body control like that the for Garrett Wilson's whole momentum to go backwards in that moment and be able to get a body part down you could you could try to do that a hundred times in the end zone and you would probably break every bone in your body trying to do it and you'd never accomplish it that was just it's so out of the out of the like it's so insane what what nfl players are able to do and yes that catch and then maybe not best ever but it was pretty goddamn good it's a pretty good catch and yeah it would go like your toes break then your foot breaks then your ankle breaks then your shin break hip then your knee breaks and yeah i don't know how nfl players do this from

time to time but how does the shin even hit the ground before the knee hits i look down at my shin and my knee and i think to myself like i would i would dislocate everything from my waist down if i could get my shin down before my knee it doesn't even seem possible but yeah it was a great catch i I have a question for you guys, though, about we saw the Deshaun Jackson play.

Deshaun jackson play deshaun jackson did this like three times and nobody had ever done it before deshaun and then after deshaun people do it left and right why was it watching deshaun do it and they're like oh this is a thing now what happened it happened it happens like once or twice a year pretty regularly um me if i were in the nfl i would run all the way to the back of the end zone every time i would there would be no chance i would give that ball up early i think the coolness factor of being like man i scored so easy look at me drop the ball right away but it is it's insane that it ever happens it's truly insane that it ever happens it's crazy i'm with you big cat i would i would hand the ball to the official like i've been there before yep i'd run into the tunnel uh memes go ahead you this is the first happy memes we've had i think in a month month and a half yeah it's been a very long time. They should give Garrett Wilson all the money.
I think he's the greatest player of all time. The first half was one of the worst first halves of all time.
This is also the worst coach football team of all time. Oh, that's a lot of all times.
There's so many all times. Okay.
but they don't even really have a coach that's that's yeah like you can't part about it yeah you can't say it's the worst football coach team of all time they fired their coach they fired the coach but you still have an interim coach i understand but that's like it's not jeff olbrick's fault he wasn't coach. They decided to fire the coach four weeks into the season.

No, the Jeff Ulbrich is the meme where it's just like,

I got too important at my job, and now it's ruining my life.

He should just be the defensive coordinator.

That meme.

Yeah, that meme.

Everybody knows that one.

Thanks for speaking internet to us.

Okay, keep going.

The Peter principle where you just, in your job,

you get promoted until the point where you reach incompetence.

That's the corporate world.

Yeah.

Yeah, but we're still very poorly coached.

Yeah.

Yeah, you fired your coach.

You don't have a head coach.

But we do have a coach.

I understand.

I don't think that you do.

You don't.

Jeff is our coach.

Thank you. But we do have a coach.
I understand. I don't think that you do.
You don't.

Jeff is our coach.

Coach is our coach.

Right.

So you still have to coach your guys.

You said it yourself.

He shouldn't be the coach.

You don't have a coach.

The fact that you referred to him by his first name tells me everything I need to hear.

You're talking about him like he's your stepdad.

Jeff's our coach.

Yeah, Jeff.

Yeah, Jeff's our guy right now. Jeff's a dick.
And you need to hear. You're talking about him like he's your stepdad.
Jeff's our coach. Yeah, Jeff.
Yeah, Jeff's our guy right now

and you need to coach the players

to take the ball and run

over the goal line with it.

It's not that hard. Yeah, do you put that

on coaching? I don't know if I put that on coaching.

I bet you Belichick tells his guys to cross

the fucking goal line. Yeah, the whole...

What does Belichick say? The whole franchise in your hands?

Yeah.

I could.

That's undercoaching for me because it's lazy football.

The minor details, it's the same thing as the penalty they had on the field goal.

The one thing you can't do is just run over the center, the long snapper, and that's exactly what they did. You need him in the head.
Yeah, you're right. That is coaching.
But they don't have a coach. Yeah, they don't have a coach.
They fired your coach. But congratulations, Memes.
I know you needed this, and it was good to see a win for you guys. Now, on the other hand, the Houston Texans, they're very banged up.
They're missing some wide receivers, some weapons. C.J.
Stroud doesn't look like himself. No.
Their offensive line is bad, and they don't have weapons. And C.J.
Stroud, maybe sophomore slump, you want to call it? I don't know. It's just 11 for 30, 191 yards.
And you could say, I mean, I don't think C.J. Stroud's bad.
Guys aren't getting open. He's got no time.
But their offense has not looked good for the majority of the year. You know what I mean? It it's, it's been, it's been a lot of ugly football and it feels like they are a team that unless Joe Mixon is doing everything, they're never like, they're never ahead on, on the downs.
You know what I mean? It doesn't, doesn't feel like they're sitting there with a lot of like second and twos and the playbooks open. It's just a lot of like third and eights and CJ.J.
Stroud running for his life. And, yeah, he's getting his ass kicked.
His offensive line isn't holding up. He's getting his ass kicked every single game.
Yeah, and C.J. Stroud, he's still a good quarterback.
Don't get me wrong. He still makes some incredible throws, and I think he'll be fine.
If this is his sophomore slump, this is a pretty good sophomore slump to have. Yeah, they're 6-'s it's yeah um memes real quick i also have a theory about that what'd you say i have a theory about that okay go ahead um so it was a freaky friday situation broncos week four jets came in zach wilson dapped up aaron rogers we got all that.
Today, we sent all the bad energy to the Texans. Now it's over there.
Now we're back. Who is Zach Wilson now? That'd be CJ Shrub.
Memes. Real quick.
Three and six. At Cardinals.
Home against the Colts, home against the Seahawks. Do the Jets get to 500 before the stretch run last five weeks of the season? Got to beat the Cardinals.
Okay. Got to beat the Cardinals.
I feel that. Aaron Rodgers had to run the table thing down.
Michaels in the pregame production meeting.

Yeah.

I mean,

it does feel like you,

if you're not six and six going down the stretch run,

it like it's,

you have to win every,

I mean like six and six,

then you,

then you get in a spot where you're like,

okay,

all right.

If we go four and five down here,

you know,

we can still lose a game,

but if you're sitting there,

if you only win one or two of the next three,

we're not even going to

entertain this.

Yeah, no. I'm

excited about this current

second half, but in

reality, I know that we're

in a deep, dark hole.

Okay.

Listen, darkness. Aaron Rodgers has been there.

Embrace the darkness, memes. Embrace the darkness, but i think we're in a good spot bad energy texans jets back well yeah okay you won a game and you put yourself in a position where if everything crazy happens to you then you can be back at 500 yeah yeah you got you got this you got, memes.
Do you believe this meme?

You don't believe this.

No, I think he's just excited that they won a game.

Yeah.

Which you should be.

I'm very excited we beat the Texans.

They are a playoff team right now.

Yeah, and this is like it's nice to win a Thursday.

Now you get a full weekend where you don't have to think about having to be in another must win situation. You get a little break, mental break, and then you'll be back at it next week.
Yeah, right back. They also just have to stop putting us on primetime.
Yeah, well, I think you guys still have like we have the Colts on Sunday night football. What? What? Yeah.
Damn. Flex it.
Colts on Sunday Night Football. Flacco.
Yeah, Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco. I don't have one at the end of the year.
Yeah, I don't see one at the end of the year right now. But I'm sure they'll find a way to put you in another one.
All right. We should congratulate the Los Angeles Dodgers on the World Series because they have won the World Series.
Congrats to the Los Angeles Dodgers. They were the best team in baseball this year.
They've been the best team in baseball for basically a decade. I want to talk about the Yankees, but I want to give the Dodgers their full hat tip first.

The Dodgers are, is it weird that even though they spent all this money and they're all in every single year,

I weirdly am happy for the Dodgers because they have been the best team in baseball for,

like, you know, the Astros obviously have a case,

but the Dodgers have been in the playoffs for something like 12, 13 years in a row. They've won over a hundred games, a bunch of times.
They won the COVID world series, which I think we all, we joke about the bubble and stuff. That's the only one where it's like, they did play a significantly less games.
You know, like the NBA still tried to play most of their games. The NFL played all their games baseball they played 60 games right so that was the one that was like a little weird so this one kind of affirms like hey this is like great job you guys did it you know all the times you've won 100 games been bounced in the first round baseball playoffs are so random it's really just such a crap shoot who could be the hottest team so I'm weirdly happy for the Dodgers and I'm happy for Shohei I'm happy for Walker Bueller who had a tough year and then he was just absolute nails in the playoffs got his first career save in the in the game and the World Series clincher Freddie Freeman Mookie Betts is a stud and the Dodgers did it by just being the better team and being the fundamentally better team.
Because if you look at it, average in the series was pretty much the same. Home runs the same, runs the same.
The Dodgers don't make mistakes like the Yankees made mistakes. And that showed 100% in Game 5 when the Yankees had a complete and utter meltdown of which I don't think I've seen anything like that where it was just it was I mean I've seen things like that but like the bang bang bang where it was Aaron Judge missing just an absolute can of corn the error at third base and then Garrett Cole refusing to cover first base all happening in rapid succession five unearned runs a guy Garrett Cole had a no hitter going into the fifth inning and they leave the fifth inning with no unearned runs and it's five five that was insane absolutely insane well yeah I mean going back to the Dodgers real quick though Freddie Freeman what he's done in this postseason especially in the world series is absolutely incredible and going back to even when he was with atlanta like this is he is one of the best world series batters of all time you can look at the stats put him up against anybody and what he did in the world series and he had other deep shots that were hit off the wall he had hard hit balls that were caught like that dude could not miss this entire world yeah it was cool to watch i am happy for shohei as well um he obviously seemed like he was pretty banged up in the world series after that slide in second pace um but he was out there the other guys were happy for him but he was like a shell of himself at the plate yeah um but that fifth inning yes you're right that fifth inning that the yankees had absolutely incredible as somebody that does not consider themselves to be yankees fan i think i speak for most of america when i say that yeah um that was an incredible piece of theater incredible performance art to put on in that inning it was one right after the throw to third base i he probably should have gone to second on that one to begin with but then the throw was low to third base it was like two errors in one and uh and on top of everything that happened in that inning for garrett cole to go out there the next inning and lock the fuck in after it all went to shit in the fifth was actually very very impressive on garrett cole's part i i don't know if that was him being like yeah i should have covered first base.
Now I have to go out there and make up for it and just get absolutely lights out on him. But whatever he did to lock in, he should get some credit for that.
But it's just an all-time screen grab now, too. It's what, 5-0? And Anthony Rizzo is picking up a ground ball, and Garrett Cole has a path to beat Mookie Betts to the bag, like that picture.
And then the next thing that happens is five, five. It was, and I know people were blaming Garrett Cole and he should get blamed for not covering first base.
That's like day one fundamentals. but in his semi defense that inning should have been over way

before that because Aaron Judge dropped

like that I don't even know

what happened with that ball that Aaron Judge dropped. They got six drops.
It's crazy. It was nuts.
With the Garrett Cole not covering first base thing, yes, it's on Garrett Cole. I also think Rizzo probably could have tried to run to first base.
I think he was – I think that ball had think that ball had some weird spin on it. And I think he was like trying to field it cleanly.
And that's just, I mean, Max, you're, you're a baseball expert, you, you know, base like that they do that day one of spring training though. The, the pitcher covers first base there.
They do that day one of spring training of little league. Like that is the most fundamental play of baseball that he just had an absolute brain fart like there that's there's nothing else to it yeah and it's just maybe Rizzo could have been quicker to the ball but I still think Rizzo thinks a hundred times out of a hundred there will be a ball hit to his side like Garrett Cole's gonna go cover the bag for clearly I think it's something you have to make the decision on as the ball is going.
He wasn't thinking he had to get there, so he didn't. Yeah.
If he – off the bat, if he was like, I'm the only person I can get to first, he probably could have, but he just wasn't. It was just – Yeah.
But he has – Yeah, it's automatic. If there's a ground ball to the right side, you automatically like it's the first instinct is run a first, like no matter what.
No, I'm saying Rizzo. Yeah, I'm saying Rizzo.
Oh, yeah. Like Rizzo, if Rizzo right away was like, I'm going to first, but he just assumed.
Yeah. If Gary Cole had screamed like, I'm not going to first, maybe Rizzo could have gotten it.
Why would you ever assume he wasn't? Rizzo is not going to be the fastest guy, the most explosive athlete ever to field that and run to first base. And I think he was a little surprised not to see Cole there.
And then he just pulled up too. And then everyone was just standing around like, well, what the fuck just happened? Yeah.
And it's insult to injury. I don't know if you guys saw.
There was a story in the New York Post that – I'm just going to read this real quick. It's the Dodgers scouting report.
What the Dodgers told their players in scouting meetings was the Yankees were talent over fundamentals that if you run the bases with purpose and aggression, the Yankees will self-inflict harm as was was exposed by Betts, Tommy Edmond, Freddie Freeman, etc., that the value was very high to put the ball in play to make the Yankees execute. They mentioned that the Yankees were not just the Major's worst base-running team by every metric, but the difference was vast on the field between them and the Padres, who the Dodgers beat in the NL Division Series.
Was Max just flossing on camera? And he like an up close. I have ADD.
I do like different stupid shit. I may have been flossing.
That's got to be such insult to injury that the Dodgers before the series were like, hey, just so you guys know, if you just try a little bit harder on every single play, they basically, the Dodgers before the series were like hey just so you guys know if you just um try a little bit harder on every single play they basically the Dodgers got a scouting report that was like the Yankees are a softball team yeah they're like all you got to do is put the ball in play and run hard and they'll fuck up yeah and that's what happened just put pressure on them and and they're gonna fall under the pressure and then it wasn't even pressure. That's the craziest part.
It wasn't even like there was that much pressure. It's like make them play baseball.
Yeah. Crazy.
Crazy. Right afterwards, I thought it was interesting to talk to Soto right after the game was over.
And they were like, so what do you think about next year? And under most circumstances, I think a player would say, I really enjoyed my time with the Yankees. Great group of guys.
Sorry that we couldn't get it done. And we'll just have to let the process play out.
But then Soto was like, yeah, I'm going to talk to every team in the league that wants to talk to me. Yeah.
Yeah. He basically proved that getting Soto for a year.
Now, obviously, the Yankees won the World Series. It's worth it.
But it does not do them any favors in free agency. Soto's not going to be like, oh, well, I know where Yankee Stadium is and I'm comfortable here.
You just give him the most money and he'll be there. Anyone who's rooting for a team has money.
Someone said the Blue Jays. That would kind of suck.
I don't know if that would be. He's already said that there's zero.
He has zero emotion to any team. It's literally just a blank check.
Yeah. It goes to the highest bidder.
That's what it is. I love that.
So obviously the Mets are going to be involved. Obviously teams like probably the Rangers might get involved too.
Yankees are going to make an offer. Dodgers maybe.
I don're saying if they'd be willing to pay him as much money as he's going to need um i i actually wouldn't be surprised if the nationals were involved to get him back too yeah yeah i mean why not if they have the money he's a boris guy right oh yeah scott bor Boris had to just be pumping his fist when Soto said that.

Yeah.

Just not even a little bit of like, I love the guys in this clubhouse.

It's going to take me a couple days to get my head right.

It's like, highest bidder.

Get it ready.

He just made the money.

Did you guys see the fireworks in LA?

That was pretty cool.

I saw the guy blow his hand off.

Oh, I did not see that.

That was not cool.

That was on the For You page of X.com, X the Everything app. I opened it up today, and it was just this dude sitting off a firecracker in the middle of the street, blows his hand off, and then he runs to the sidewalk dripping blood everywhere.
It was a wonderful way to start my morning. Did he have a Dodger cap on? Yeah, he was a big Dodgers guy.
Yeah. Oh, all right.
Well, at least he's got to win yeah i mean that was that what it the la um i you know i know hank loves la he wants us to move to la um i have no affinity towards la other than they did get a little screwed in the winning their championships during covid and this one feels like the i know obviously the rams but this feels like the first one and they deserve that, you know, like, cause imagine flags fly forever, all that shit. But like you win a COVID championship, you don't get to go to the games.
You don't, you know, there's no parade. Like this is the first true one.
And, and like I said, the Dodgers have been the best team in baseball for Astro fans are still getting mad at me the best team in terms of like consistently being in the playoffs and winning you know 100 games for 12 13 years and so they deserve one I know people will say they spent the most money they did they went all in the Dodgers are the new Yankees that was the that was the big thing like the Dodgers the Dodgers already had a super team and they're like you know what we're gonna do we're gonna add Shohei Otani that's what the Yankees used to do yeah so like that's that's the Dodgers are the new Yankees and they and they played fundamental ball better than uh anyone else they were the best team by far yeah you know how you say that that Cavs fans and Browns fans are different people, even though they are probably the same people, but you think of them in different ways? That's exactly how I think of Dodgers fans and Lakers fans. I agree.
Dodgers fans to me, they seem like a real actual localized fan base, and I kind of root for Dodgers fans in that sense, in a way that's completely different from how i feel about the lakers but um yeah i guess you could say they're the new yankees but they i don't think that they've had enough success no really reach that point of of like entitlement that yankees fans sometimes get i'm not saying they're the new yankees in terms of like what they've done winning wise i'm saying they're the new yankees in the fact that like the Yankees we used to you know be the best team then they would still be like let's go get the best player in free agency like the Dodgers were were a great team and they're like yeah let's fucking add show a you know and like you just said Soto like I don't think the Dodgers will sign Soto but if they did I wouldn't it would just be like yeah I guess that's what they do they just keep spending the most amount of money yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't think the Dodgers will sign Soto, but if they did, I wouldn't. It would just be like, yeah, I guess that's what they do.
They just keep spending the most amount of money. Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked.
I think that's probably going to be the Mets. But again, whoever has the biggest check, that's it.
Yeah, it's sad knowing that Tom Ricketts has the money, and I'm not even going to even pretend to get my hopes up. I've sent two low, low effort tweets being like, Juan Soto, come to the Cubs.
That's what it sounds like in my head when I'm tweeting it. Yeah.
Because I just know there's not even a chance. You just have to do it.
Yeah, just because I just like maybe he sees it, and he's like, oh, shit, I didn't even think. Maybe I should call the Cubs.
You never know. He's so fun to root for.
Yeah. All right.
Anything else before we get to ourselves? We got, by the way, Bob Does Sports, our collab with him, was out Tuesday. Go watch it.
We have our vlog from after Commander's Bears. And then today, episode one of the Pardon My Take Talk doc so a lot of stuff going on yeah I haven't seen the doc yet but we were part of filming the doc they interviewed us and I think it's going to be really good I trust yeah four four four episodes this is episode one episode two will be in a couple weeks.
All about BVT.

And yeah,

I think that's it. So we'll kick it to ourselves back in studio.
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Okay, boys, week nine. At the end of this week, we'll be at the halfway point of the NFL season.
What was that face, Hank? Week nine. I just don't like it when you give me updates on these because it starts usually like week 5 after we've gotten through the first quarter of the season, and I would prefer just not to know.
I prefer to just bury my head in the sand and be ignorant about it. Listen, week 9, we're almost at halftime.
I have, before we get into the games, I really wish the NFL would link up moving our clocks with week 9. Instead, the clocks are being moved next week, week 10.
Why wouldn't they just do it at the halfway point? It feels like it would just make most sense. The NFL needs to come in and do their own version of savings time.
We go by the NFL clock and we go by the NFL league year now. The start of the new year is in March at some point.
I like how the trade deadline is on election day this year. We need to do everything according to the NFL league rules.
So I feel like if they want to decide maybe after the trade deadline, move the clocks forward. Move the clocks.
I just wish it was this weekend. It's next weekend, and it's stupid.
It is stupid because, like, okay, we got baseball this week, and I remember sometimes there would be daylight savings

in the middle of the World Series.

Yeah.

But fortunately, they moved that back to that first week of November.

It would also suck, too, if it's like you're going out on Halloween

and then the next day you're losing time.

Like, that would just be insult to injury.

All right, so, yeah, they did pick a good week then.

You're right.

Week 10, next week, move the clocks.

All right, week 9, we have a full slate, Only two buys. Let's just dive into the games.
I think there's some exciting games this weekend. We got some good ones.
We got some really good ones. You know which one I'm most excited for? What? Broncos and Ravens.
Broncos. All right, let's start there.
I'm excited about that one because Bo Nix has been actually good recently, and their defense is legitimate top five defense and uh the ravens if the ravens had won last week i would feel very strongly about believing them this week but the fact that they lost last week tells me they're not gonna obviously not gonna take it lightly but it's the most yards per play in the ravens offense against the least yards per play given up in the Broncos defense.

I think this is the Ravens.

Okay.

I think it's a trick yourself into thinking the Broncos, which they're not bad.

It's no knock on the Broncos, but the Ravens, off a loss, kind of a focused effort, just

signed Deontay Johnson, which is, I mean, that was a, was that not a genius trade?

Yeah.

Yeah. Like, Deontay Johnson's good.
And he also doesn't have to be the number one receiver. which is, I mean, that was a, was that not a genius trade? Yeah, yeah.

Deontay Johnson's good.

And he also doesn't have to be the number one receiver.

And if you're Deontay Johnson, it's a great trade.

Yeah.

You're more pumped than anybody. Your life just got so much better.

You got traded twice in the span of eight months.

Yeah.

And the Panthers gave up Dante Jackson for Deontay Johnson,

and they also gave up, I think, a sixth and a seventh, and now they got back a fifth from Baltimore. So they gave up a player and a sixth and a seventh and got back a fifth-round pick.
I guess good for the Panthers. I guess that's an asset.
You have to move on from your good players if you're in a position like they are. But yeah, if you're Deontay, this is,

this is nice.

This is really good.

Real nice.

I,

yeah,

I think the,

I think the Broncos are good.

I think the Broncos have also played maybe the three worst teams in,

in the NFL right now in the last three weeks,

the Raiders,

Saints,

Panthers.

Yeah. But as we discussed,

there's a lot of ass out there.

There is a lot of ass.

This is ass season.

There's a lot of ass.

I just think the Ravens are a little,

and again, it's off a loss where it's like a game ass. I just think the Ravens are a little, and again, it's off a loss

where it's like a game they could have won

and the Ravens are going to be very focused.

Broncos riding high and you

see that nine point spread and you're like, oof.

That's easy. It's a lot of points.

Broncos are five and three. How are

they nine point underdogs? Yeah, it's a lot

of points. And yeah, I agree with you.
Like I said,

if the Ravens had won last week, I would

probably be leaning heavy to the Broncos, but I'm excited

to watch the game. Oh yeah, definitely.
We're going to learn

a lot about the Broncos. I have a stat from

Thank you. points and yeah I agree with you like I said if the Ravens had won last week I would probably be leaning heavy to the Broncos but I'm excited to watch the game oh yeah definitely we're going to learn a lot about the Broncos I have a stat from uh Sports Info Solutions the Broncos are probably going to try uh so they're going to try to blitz Lamar because uh they send they bring five rushers more than anyone but the Ravens have the seventh second best success rate against five or more pass rushers this year so Lamar I mean if you blitz him, you're going to get fucked.
That's another thing where if you're Lamar and you get the house sent at you and you avoid the sack, even if they get into the backfield and you somehow avoid it and either take off with your feet or hit somebody downfield, that's got to be the most demoralizing thing as either an actual defense or as a fan of that team. You just blitz the house and then he easily avoided your blitz and exploited it.
You're like, well, what the fuck do I do now? Yeah, we're out of options. Okay, next game that I'm also excited for, very excited for, Dolphins at Bills because now I don't want to say that something looks easy, but the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen own the Miami Dolphins.
Yes. They are.
The Dolphins are 2-12 against the Bills when Josh Allen's been the buffalo bills and josh allen own the miami dolphins yes they are the dolphins are 2 and 12 against the bills when josh allen's been the quarterback and they're oh and seven in buffalo i don't they are the bills are the dolphins boogeyman and josh allen specifically and it's crazy we we touched on it on monday but like the bills have just fucking dudes now like keon coleman is becoming a dude i love this Did you see he said, when you ain't getting the ball, I'm going to hit somebody. It's been fun for me.
I love that. He seems like one of those guys.
It's just a refreshing, like a fresh breath of air in the fact that he just loves playing football, loves doing his job, loves hitting guys. Shakir's awesome.
There's some crazy stats out there about Shakir and Josh Allen. Every, they just, every time he throws it to them, it's a catch.
Yeah. Kincaid, James Cook, and the Dolphins.
Matt Collins. Matt Collins.
The Dolphins, when they have to go, I don't even know what the weather's going to be like in Buffalo. When they have to go anywhere that's not Miami, I'm just like, no.
They can't do it. Do you know when the last time the Dolphins beat the Bills in Buffalo was?

Well, I know it's at least 0-7.

It was 2016.

Yeah.

And the quarterback was Terod Taylor.

Yeah.

That's the last time that that's happened.

They've never beaten Josh Allen in Buffalo. And since Josh Allen's been the quarterback of the Bills,

the cumulative score is 460 to 269. Just an ass-kicking.
Ass-kicking. I'm looking at the weather.
Daily forecast. It's going to be nice.
A little rain, but still 57 degrees. That's too cold for the Dolphins.
Yeah, it's very, very cold for them. Yeah, and Tua.
I'm happy Tua's back. I don't think they're winning this game.
I think it's going to be a fun game. I think the Bills at least...
They do score a lot of points when they play each other. Yeah.
At least the Dolphins offense looks fun. And Josh Allen.
I think Josh Allen's going to have a big day with his feet too. I think he's going to just...
He's going to take off. He's going to run some people over.
Josh Allen touchdown this weekend. Memes, if the Bills lose this game, and we've already talked about the Jets-Texas, but let's say the Jets win, are you thinking, wow, we might be back in this because it's 6-3, and the Jets would be 3-6? And we won.
Did you guys win? Did you guys win? We're taping this in the morning. Did you guys win? I don't think so.
Oh, so this would be bad if you won, and then you're like, I knew we were going to win. Yeah.
Well, there's one thing I know about memes. By the time kickoff rolls around, you're going to be like, we're going to win.
Playoffs, Super Bowl. Well, when Bruce Arians, we're going to get to him, when he was talking about being a six seed, I said to Max, I was like, I'm back.
Yeah. Yeah, all you need is you just need a chip in a chair.
Yeah. The Dolphins, I feel like they did the thing where they would blitz a lot and then just get abused by Kyler Murray last week.
Yeah. And that's going to be Josh Allen this week.
Yeah, their defense failed them in the second half. The Dolphins, yeah, they're 27th in defensive DVLA.
All right, next game, Cowboys and Falcons. Another one I'm very excited for.
Another must win for Dallas. This is a must win for Dallas.
These are just games. No, but we're doing the ones that we're most excited for.
What are you talking about? Hank, you're not excited about Cowboys. Why not? Well, Hank doesn't like football.
You don't like football. You like winning.
You're anti football pussy. Tell me why.
How about this, Hank? We'll turn the tables. Tell me why we shouldn't be excited about this game.
Because the Cowboys stink and the Falcons are... It's just not like...
It doesn't jump off the screen. It's not like...
Oh, I think this one jumps. Obviously, football guys and football guys' guys love every game.
But no casual fan is like, oh, shit. All right, this one doesn't jump off the screen.
Falcons, Cowboys, let me get to my couch. All right, jump off the screen.
Maybe not the right term, but I would say this game stands out. Yeah.
It's the Cowboys playing for their season. I think Bichon's going to have a huge game.
I think Kyle Pitts is going to have a huge game. We had Trayvon Diggs make up with the reporter, which was nice.
Feels good that we can respect journalism again. Yeah, he should let the reporter bow for him.
Yeah, he should. Yeah, just be like, I'm going to bow for for you at some point you have to answer all my questions it has to be natural yeah at their meeting i wish the reporter had said uh smells like up dog in here just like a little prank just get him back the d's nuts for the up dog the up dog yeah what's up dog how much what's up with you uh i have some stats for you to get you excited.
All right, here's something to be excited about. Kyle Pitts.
Bet him this week. Cowboys run the second most one-high shell looks in the league.
Kyle Pitts, six most yards per route for single-high safety. Kyle Pitts.
And also Zeke is completely washed, by the way. Zeke is completely washed.
He's the only running back with 30 carries who has yet to break or miss a tackle, according to Sports Info Solutions. He's yet to break a tackle? Break or miss a tackle.
That's a pretty key thing about being a running back. But if you're worried about getting old at the running back position, don't worry because Dalvin Cook's playing.
Yeah. The Cowboys are so sad.
And it's also just, it's Dak and CD.

They have to do everything.

I'm just rooting for something to happen in both the Ravens and the Cowboys game

where we get to just tie into the fact that Jerry Jones passed on going after Derek Henry again.

Yeah.

I want updates on that every single week.

And Jerry Jones keeps talking about it, too.

Yeah, he does.

He keeps being like, it's not bothering me.

He's like, that guy's so good, but couldn't get him. Couldn't work uh i think this is gonna be a fun over game too i did the falcons can't rush the passer and dak is uh up and down he's busy's been like if he's got a clean pocket i think there's gonna be points yeah did you know that uh dallas i think that they in the third quarter they can't score points yeah whatever's going on mike Mike McCarthy at halftime, maybe he needs to switch over play calling again at halftime and give that up because they got crushed 21-0 last week in the third quarter.
Now they've been outscored 61-19 in all third quarters. Do you think he's eating at halftime? He's probably taking a snack.
Maybe he needs to. Did you see that? I don't know.
It was like maybe two weeks ago jeff halfley the uh defensive coordinator for the packers was explaining there was a reporter who asked about halftime and he was like you guys don't realize that like i maybe have 90 seconds with the team at halftime yeah he's like by the time i get all the way down talk to our coaches then have like a minute to talk to our players he's like we i hit like two things he's like there's no such thing as a halftime adjustment the adjustments are happening throughout the game and also maybe your individual position group coach yeah he's talking to you but he was like i'm adjusting after every series it's not like a halftime adjustment this is a whole new game maybe mike mccarthy needs to go back to the well of tricks smash a watermelon at halftime oh that that brings up bad memories for me smash that watermelon i was i was i was in that survivor where i was i think it was for the pro football show i was like 13 and 0 and i didn't know it was a watermelon yeah maybe maybe save some of these awesome stunts for halftime instead of for a pre-game meeting on on a sunday or a saturday was that cooper rush i believe i think he smashed watermelon for cooper on the cooper rush game because it was vikings they beat the v I believe? I think he smashed a watermelon for Cooper Rush.

In the Cooper Rush game?

Because it was Vikings.

They beat the Vikings.

I don't remember.

I don't remember who the quarterback was.

Yeah.

I think it was Cooper Rush.

Smash the quarterback at halftime, Mike.

Smash Cooper Rush's head.

Yeah.

Yeah, that will work.

All right, Hank.

You want the honesty?

Raiders and Bengals, I'm not very excited for.

There you go.

Yeah, I'm not either. I'm going to predict something.
I think memes has this game circled. Because of Macaulay Culkin? Because of Macaulay Culkin getting dressed up as Joe Burrow for Halloween.
If you've seen the pictures, Adam Schefter tweeted out, and then he was like, look at this, dressed up as Joe Burrow. It's such a bad representation, such a bad vibe vibe for joe burrow yeah because the picture especially the one where he's like laying down on his helmet or the ball or whatever um you know that memes can't wait for like the first interception first bad play that joe burrow has to tweet out that picture of macaulay culkin yeah memes yeah but you can't trash your friends true i don't think i but i don't think i i thought the same thing when i saw the picture and i was like joe burrow's gotta be rolling his eyes but it's also at this point everything's a meme anyway it's not like there's no memes of joe burrow when he loses this is just something for the arsenal just like there's something for everyone yeah in the arsenal and it's i'm sure joe burrow has probably laughed at the fact that like it's but cully Culkin and he stresses me.
Right. I watched all of his movies as a kid, and this is just...
It's a very funny picture. It's funny.
It is funny. It's not...
It will be used against him, but I don't think it's one where he's like, if he loses and he sees it, he's going to be like, oh, what the fuck? That's just the easiest meme that will come. He's got expected at this point.
But yeah, when I saw that, I just knew that memes has added that to the file. Yeah.
I got bookmarked instantly. I want to believe in the Bengals.
They are testing my faith in the Bengals. I think Bengals fans even agree.
They're like, this is when I do my power rankings on Tuesday. There were a lot of Bengals fans like just put us in full ass.
Yeah, because it's it's just they played. They played Deshaun Watson, Daniel Jones.
And then after that, I mean, I guess they're playing Gardner Minshew. So they should look good this week.
And T. Higgins needs to play.
They could look good. And the defense, I feel like Brock, it's going to be a Brock game.
Brock Powers? Yeah. Bengals have to win.
Every game is a must win. Yeah.
And if they lose this game, then it would be like, we got to win eight out of the last nine. And if they lose that game, they got to win eight out of the last eight.
If they lose that game, they got to win eight out of the last seven. I think they have to run the table now.
They're just going to keep – the Bengals are going to be in week 17, and they're going to be like six and ten. And they're like, if we just win five out of our last one, we'll be a playoff.
Yeah. Zach Taylor right now is the coach that is spending the most time on the playoff machine.
Yeah. Yeah.
All the combinations. So, Hank, were you happy that I said that? That I admitted that there's one game.
Here's another game I'm not excited for. Patriots Titans.
Disagree. Oh, is Drake May playing? Maybe.
If Drake May I'll I'll up my uh excitement level a skosh because he would make it a more exciting game if Jacoby Brissett versus Mason Rudolph that's a tough one yeah no that's fair we're also by law have to bet the Patriots because uh we've said it before teams after facing the Lions are 0-6 against the spread and straight up I don't have an actual opinion on this game other than that stat i will probably not even look at this game i will just hope that this stat continues and we're sitting here on sunday night and we're like teams that have played the lions are oh and seven straight up and against the spread after playing lines you know what that sounds like what and under oh okay you're not gonna watch it you don't want to on. I'm going to watch it.
No, I know, but in the best case scenario, you don't even have to worry about it because it's like 13 to 9. The Titans defense is still good.
This is why I can't quit the Titans. And the Patriots can't catch.
It doesn't matter who's throwing. The Titans defense is good in theory, but at this point in the season after they've been through all this shit, they know that they're just in tank mode right now.
I don't know. It's a lot to ask the Titans defense to keep playing at that level for the entire season.
They didn't even play that bad against the Lions. The Lions scored 52.
I know that's crazy to say. Well, they didn't play that bad against the Lions because they had every short field.
They had short fields. Yeah, right.
So who knows if they would have played good against the Lions if they had 50 more yards on defense. The Lions should have done the respectable thing and just taken from the 20 every time.
Yeah. Play a gentleman's game.
Dan Campbell, there's no honor in Dan Campbell this season. He's just going to go for your jugular every single time.
He's going to overkill you. Yeah.
He's the king of overkill right now. Bad, bad offensive teams in terms of throwing the ball.
I think the two worst for yards per game, the Patriots and the Titans. And, Hank, there's a lot going on this week for the Patriots.
According to Josina Anderson, she said that New England might be towing the line between buyer and seller. What? At the trade deadline.
In what world do you think that the Patriots become buyers? What is that if you're a middleman? I think. I mean, this is just speculation, and I don't know that this is really how pro sports work, but there's a possible world where the Crafts watched last game and watched our receivers drop 20 balls and are like, we need to get a receiver.
Mm-hmm. I don't know if that makes sense, even though they know they're bad.
But they were like, if we had just –

they had like seven drops last week that were just off the hands.

Yeah, really, really bad.

They're going to work on it. So they know that they have to improve receiver.

Yeah, wasn't there a rumor Jordan Addison?

Yeah.

That made no sense.

Yeah, so I guess they have to look at who's going to be available as a free agent.

They have to look at who's coming out of the draft, where they're going to be. I don't think that the Patriots should be buyers right now.
Me neither. No.
But that, to your question of how is that possible, that was my only thought. Maybe they're just trying to get more people to call them.
They're just lonely? No. Well, yeah, they're like, we're buyers and sellers.
And then so sellers will call them, and they'll be like, ha-ha, just kidding. We're actually sellers as well.
Yeah, it's like when you're scalping tickets. Yeah, they should want to talk.
Yeah, they're like, we're buyers and sellers. And then so sellers will call them and they'll be like, ha, just kidding.
We're actually sellers as well. It's like when you're scalping tickets.
Yeah, they should want to talk. Yeah, yeah.
He's like, I need one. I need one.
That's exactly what's happening. I like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or Robert Kraft, he wants to make some trades so that he can leak that information to the journalists who will be voting on whether or not he will get into the Hall of Fame. Because he's a finalist.
So if you can give them scoops. So Robert Kraft makes like 50 trades? 50 trades, and he leaks them.
He has a whole room. Every different journalist that's going to be voting for him in the Hall of Fame selection process.
Yeah. Does Peter King still have a vote? I'm sure.
Peter King's never given up that vote. Have you seen he's doing Kings Across America? Yeah.
It's just such a funny name. I know it's his last name, but every time I see the tweet, I'm just like, damn, that's a little...
What is it? You really think a lot about yourself. He's just driving across the country with his wife.
He's going on a road trip. And every tweet is just Kings Across America.
And it's just like, damn, dude. Listen, you're really egotistical.
But then I remember, I'm like, oh, his name's Peter King. I love what Peter King's doing because that's like the ultimate dream in old age retirement.
Just

get an RV or one of those silver

trailers. Just cruise.
Go

to national parks. I want to do that right now.

Same. Yeah.
I want to

just fucking drive. There's nothing

better than a long drive.

Okay. So, Hank,

wait, what game are we on? Patriot Sightings.

We just went down a rabbit hole.

Yeah, Patriot Sightings. Alright, how about

your game, PFT Commanders Giants? Yeah,

I'm going little bit worried about the Giants because they always play the Commanders very, very tough. They beat us a lot just throughout history, and the defensive line makes me a little bit nervous because I think we're still without our starting left tackle.
We might even be on our third string left tackle at this point uh so i'm i'm not there there are no easy games for the commanders like they're still liable to fall back to um you know where they how they looked in the first couple weeks and the giants in that first uh second game of the season um their defense played really really well and held us to field goals yeah so that makes me nervous i wouldn't be nervous because brian dable said this week he confirmed that qb daniel jones and deontay banks will remain in their starting roles that's not good for how long with deontay banks for i like that he just was like oh everyone keeps asking about deontay banks let me throw daniel jones in here as well yeah shortest i think deontay banks might have the shortest leash in the nfl right now he got benched in the middle of the game on Monday Night Football, and now you have your starting quarterback thrown in the same sentence as him. That doesn't feel good.
Yeah. They're just a mess.
Backup Drew Locke? No, is it not our guy? DeVito? Yeah. But who's second? Oh, DeVito might be number three.
Because if DeVito gets in, actually, I'm worried about both those backup quarterbacks. Yeah, DeVito you should be worried about.
And Drew Locke. Will you guys be trying to score touchdowns this time? Drew Locke comes in and he just does some fuck shit.
He's going to throw the ball deep. Yeah, Drew Locke and Tommy DeVito.
Because remember, the first time you guys played, the Giants didn't have a kicker. The Commanders won with seven field goals to three touchdowns.
Yeah, also, offense played great, though. Which is a fucking crazy.
fucking no our offense wasn't great in that game um were you just couldn't score in the red zone that's true good point uh the kicking situation in dc i give enormous amount of credit to the front office for that because we had a shitty kicker at the start of the season couldn't trust him and then you go out and you you change it immediately after one game where it's like i don't want this to be a problem for the rest of the season and you make a quick decision and you get a guy that can actually and has one new football games yeah that's like one of those underrated calls that that can fly under the radar but uh yeah that was it was shockingly competent on the part of of washington's front office now here's a crazy stat um for stat for Daniel Jones in terms of how he plays at home.

The last time he threw a touchdown pass at MetLife was 2023.

It was New Year's Day, 2023.

It's been a long, long time for him.

Deontay Banks, did he get benched for getting hurdled or did he get benched for something else?

I think it was a combo.

I think the hurdle didn't help.

The hurdle was a bad visual.

The hurdle did not help.

But he's been,

he's been bad.

I just,

I feel like Jaden's rib is not fully healthy yet at this point.

It can't be healthy after two weeks.

So that's still a concern,

even though we haven't talked about it at all this week,

like we were last week.

It was like in the news every single day.

I thought he faked it.

Yeah,

but that's probably not true.

Oh.

I'm just saying it could have been a fake.

Could have been a fake.

But also could be very injured.

He could be injured, and that's not an injury that gets better

over the course of two weeks.

It's going to be tough.

Any divisional matchup is going to be tough.

Yeah.

What?

You have a question?

No, I'll be honest, because I feel like me and PFT have been in, in good spirits with the whole bears commanders thing last week. It would be very funny if, and I feel like the commanders are going to lose this game.
Yeah. Really? So giants are going to be your, in your, uh, hungry dog thinking about it.
Yeah. Wow.
Honestly, I think the giants are a good bet this week. week wow if i'm being completely neutral on this and knowing my franchise and knowing how the giants typically play against us it it's it's a good bet hank hungry dog how's the hungry dog been doing pretty good right yeah we won uh week two so that was like 14 you had the panthers last week we were two we were two.
I know. We were so close.
But we're up money on the year, so just got to win another one. Okay, so next game, Chargers at Browns.
Excited about this one. Is that okay, Hank? I guess.
Jameis? Jameis, Jameis, Jameis, Jameis. Also, Justin Herbert's been playing awesome.
He needs more credit. They've gone.
They're now opening up the game. I looked at his stats.
The first four games, he had 23 pass attempts per game. He was averaging the last three games 35 pass attempts per game.
Lad McConkie. Jim Harbaugh said that he reminds him of Steve Smith.
It's high praise. High praise.
So we get Justin Herbert playing really well. Jameis.
I'm excited for this game. Yeah, so Justin, he's had two consecutive games with over 270 yards passing.
And they don't have a lot at wide receiver, but if you can unlock Ladd, then you all of a sudden have a weapon. And going up against the Browns...
The Browns defense is banged up. Denzel Ward out.
JOK, obviously. Browns defense is banged up, and the Chargers defense is awesome.
Yes. Chargers defense is really good.
They haven't allowed more than 20 points all season. I kind of like the Chargers.
Yeah, I do too. But I still want Jameis to go out there and.
I want him to ball. Yeah, do it for America.
I want him to ball out. I want him to have fun.
I want him to do some crazy shit. I want Jameis.
Yep. I need Jameis.
All right, Hank, here's another one that stinks. Saints Panthers.
Derek Carr said he is, I am no savior. Yeah, I disagree.
Well, for a savior from how bad they've been, yeah. They've been outscored 110 to 45 when he's been out.
Is this Derek Carr have, is this Derek Carr like trying to rebrand as a bad boy?

Because he said, I'm no savior.

And he also said, when I'm, when I get back, I'm going to be a psychopath.

Oh, so we have psych, like I'm no, I'm no saint.

He's basically being like, I'm a bad boy.

We got bad boy Derek Carr.

Holy shit.

I didn't say the psychopath quote.

Yeah.

Derek Carr is going to be a psychopath.

Is Derek Carr a psychopath?

Like when, like a sports center anchor gets let go and they're like now I get to say what I really want to say yeah I'm gonna join I'm gonna call a barstool see if they'll let me do it yeah right like did that is that what's going on here are we gonna really see a psychopath I think he's gonna he's probably gonna eat carbohydrates I think like he's he might even have a full sugar co Coca-Cola. He might not put on his mascara.
Yeah. Or make heavier mascara.
Heavier mascara. Yeah.
Go dressed this Halloween as slutty Derek Carr. The Panthers are just the most bad vibe team in the world.
I mean, trading Deontay Johnson, it's like you're basically just telling your whole team, we all suck. None of you are going to be here when we're good again.
It's going to be a while. Yeah.
I don't know what. There's no irredeemable part of the Panthers.
Well, Bryce is starting, and Andy Dalton's healthy. Okay.
So what are they doing? I think they're doing the right thing. I don't think they know what they're doing, though.
I think they're seeing if he can do something. He probably can't, but he's trying to do something.
Yes, Hank? Xavier Leggett is the best part of the Panthers. Yep.
Did you guys see? What did he say? You guys want to watch this? I've said the way he says, I can't stop saying allergic. Okay.
Oh, asparagus was the one. And asparagus was so good.
I've been saying to myself, I can't get it out of my head. All right, let's hear it.
I'm just hope they got some good food. I'm picky eaters.
I just hope they got something I can eat. They have good chocolate

I don't eat candy like this

But what are your no-go's? You say you're picky eater. What are your no-go's?

I don't eat seafood. I don't eat like peppers and onions and all that.
I don't really eat vegetables like this

What? So you eat like pizza

yeah yeah like i just started eating the speeds

i eat like stream beans and green peas

do they have to be cooked in bacon grease no no it ain't like that pasta yeah i eat some pasta

okay yeah i eat some chicken steak all the regular stuff. No seafood, though? I'm allergic.
Yeah, he is the best part of the Panthers. Yeah, he's country as fuck.
I love that. I like that so much.
Spurgus? Yeah, that's the Germany game next week. Giants-Panthers.
Oh, man. Yeah, that might be the only NFL game that I will not watch.

I won't watch a second.

I don't think I'm going to watch it.

I think the NFL, they've pulled enough levers,

if you're doing Mad Libs, for how you engineer a game

that even I won't watch.

I think having the Panthers and the Giants play at 8.30 a.m. in Germany.

On Daylight Savings Day.

On Daylight Savings Day. It's the reverseings Day.
Shit. It's the reverse Vince McMahon meme where he keeps getting more excited.
I keep getting less excited until finally. You figure out a way, Goodell.
Yeah. That might be the least watched NFL game in modern history.
Yeah. The Daylight Savings helps you.
No. No.
We go forward next week. Yeah.
Fall back. Fall forward.
Fall forward, you idiot. That's why your running game doesn't work.
FF. It's an alliteration, dummy.
Fall forward. You guys are going to watch it.
You guys are lying. I don't think I am.
I definitely am. I will.
Second half. I know that guy's going to watch it.
I'm going to watch it. I'm not going to watch all of it.
Fair. I will watch parts of it.
I think I've watched every NFL game In the last at least 10 years I think I've seen every single one And I think this might be the one where I will opt out of We actually should not watch it as a podcast And then give a recap That would be fun Oh Hank, we have to twist your arm for that one? We're doing a boycott. This is our boycott against the NFL.
Yeah. By the way, the stat, how bad are the Panthers? Saints are the only team over the last 20 years to be 7-plus point favorite on the road week 8 later with a winning percentage less than 30%.
That's wild. They're 2-6, and they are 7.5-point favorites on the road in the division.

That's how bad the Panthers are.

Psychopath Derek Carr.

Psychopath Derek Carr.

Okay, Max, Jaguars, Eagles, are we worried about Doug Peterson's homecoming?

Yes.

Okay, here's something that could make you feel a little better.

Vilas Jones is on the Jaguars now.

He'll probably fumble if they play him.

Okay, that's your guy.

Yeah, not my guy.

You know, that's your guy. Yeah, not my guy.
That's your guy. Not my guy.
Also, want to give credit to the Eagles. We have some contacts with the Eagles, but we probably should figure out how their contracts work because I think we need to rework Hank's contract.
Did you guys see there was a story that Jalen Hurts, Saquon, and Jeffrey Lurie played golf with Obama? It came out afterwards when Jalen Hurts did his press conference. He said he didn't play golf.
He rode with them because in his contract he's not allowed to play golf. How do we get that contract for Hank? There were a lot of people tagging me and asking why can Hank do and asking why, why can Hank do this? Yeah.
Yeah. I would have to sign the contract.
We could get you to sign the contract. Yeah.
The four of us don't, you don't think we could physically manhandle you into signing a contract. That would be illegal.
No, it wouldn't put you under duress. Street justice.
Give you two years guaranteed. Mm-hmm.
You don't know about that. I'd hold up.
Don't drop the soap. Is that a deal breaker.
Is that a deal breaker for you? Yes. What would you demand? What would we need to do to make you include that in your contract? I honestly was thinking about it.
I really don't. Can't put a price on happiness.
Can't put a price on golf? So you wouldn't take Jalen Hurts' contract? If it was Jalen Hurts' contract? Yeah, that's what it would be. How long is his contract? Like four years? We can probably get out of this contract pretty quickly.
There's probably an exit in there after about two years. I would do that because I don't have so much money that I wouldn't even have to sign another contract.
Hank would put this podcast in cap hell. Yeah, he would.
We'd be maxed out. Let's see what the contract is.
We'd have to have memes start. Five years, 255 mil.
All right, fine. Yeah, I would sign that contract.
You think that's worth it? So you do have a price on happiness. Yeah, because I could just do, I could then just retire and call for the rest of my life.
We should just get it and then in fine print, the mil is in uh taylor coins yeah yeah i'm man i lost a lot of money and i thought it was a great thing they were bringing the world of the crypto communities and sports betting and boobs together and the communities were going to join and then once the communities joined it's like now they're together and there's just a huge community at that point. Because I actually don't think crypto guys have ever sports gambled or looked at boobs.
No. No.
But imagine you're not thinking about the communities coming together. That's true.
It's more important than money at that point. I have a sad JAG stat.
This is one of the saddest ones. Chep sent this to me yesterday.
He actually, he FaceTimed me to tell me this stat because he's like, I can't text this to you because it's so sad. This came from Daniel Griffiths.
The Jaguars this year are averaging 5.8 yards per play. Okay.
This is technically the best offense of all time in Jaguars history. What? What we've seen this year is the best they've ever been.
How's that possible? Yes. Better than Bortles? Apparently.
They don't win. Iron Lefkowitz, David Garrard, Mark Brunell.
They are averaging. This is the best.
Playing train? Right now, this is the best the Jacksonville Jaguars have ever played offensively. This might be a situation where Chaps is faking us out, and because the Jags are so sad, we can be like, I guess it's right? It might be.
He's a wily one. Yeah, but if true, this is a very sad stat.
This is as good as it's ever been before. I guess different league now.
They pass. That's true.
Max, so nerve level for this game. You've got to crush them.
You've just got to win. No, you've got to crush him.
You've got to crush him. This is Peterson's second time coming back.
We crushed him the first time morally because I think they went up, and then we came back. Oh, morally crushed.
It was a moral crushing. This time we just have to win.
It looks like such an easy spot for the Eagles. It looks like such an obvious spot for the Eagles.
The Jags are so bad. The Eagles look so good right now that it's a nerve-wracking game.
It's an obvious. You think one way.
NFL is a week-to-week league. It's a week-to-week league.
But the last three weeks, you guys have looked pretty good. Very good.
Are you guys fully back? No, no. Last week, we looked like a team that was fully back, but it's a week-to-week league.
Should we start talking Jalen Hurts MVP? People are saying. Yeah? Is that a discussion that's happening? What are we talking about right now? People are saying.
Got us there. Got us there.
Max is learning. Got us there.
Max is learning. I feel like a dad.
His son finally beat him up. Damn.
This is good. This is good shit, Max.
Flipped it on us. But if you do win this week, you're fully, fully back.
No, we're not fully back until we beat the Commanders. I love that.
I love that. Yeah.
This is what I wanted. I wanted Max to hate me.
I wanted Philly fans to feel something about the Commanders. I know.
I got D.C. I got Washington fans in my mentions all pissed off at me.
It feels good. I like it.
Good. Did you guys see who won Pepsi Rookie of the Week? The fan vote? Pepsi Rookie, the most, yeah.
Hardware. Was it Jaden Daniels? Hardware.
It must have been that drive he had. Hardware.
Before the Hail Mary. Hardware.
I've been watching so much Eagles film this week, Twitter film. Oh.
Twitter film after a big win is the best. Yeah, it is.
Just watching the random guy that you've never heard of break down how Cooper DeGene going from one side of the field to the other means that he's going to be an NFL superstar for the next 10 years. It's the best.
All 22. Okay.
Bears Cardinals afternoon games. Matt Eberflus finally said it was his fault.
Took him until Wednesday. How'd he say it? I believe.
Let me pull up the exact quote. he obviously said on Sunday and Monday that

it's not a big deal that they didn't guard the sideline all that stuff um and then i believe he said i'm gonna find it right now uh because i know it took all the way till wednesday uh mad heber flues all right he said on reviewing the Washington loss, the game didn't finish the way we wanted it to,

and it starts with me.

Okay.

So he finally came to grips.

After three days, after the locker room, everyone talked out.

After Ben Johnson rumors started, he finally was like, you know what?

I've done some soul searching.

It's me.

Okay.

Starts with me is good.

That's a good start.

Yeah.

I would like at some point for him to say it starts and ends with me yeah yeah they can start with you and then it needs to end it needs to end with you also otherwise it's ending with somebody else it needs to end with it starts and ends with you i got a question for you big cat about caleb yeah um do you think that they're asking caleb to do too much physically? No. I'm talking about like the 10, 15 seconds before every play.
Yeah, the checks at the line. Where he goes to like every single player and lets them know what their responsibility is for that play.
No. Would it be easier if they took like half that off of this play? No, because then that would be more on Shane Waldron.
Okay, so it's like you'd rather have that be on.

I'd rather kill, make the mistake, than Shane Waldron make the mistake.

Not Shane Waldron.

Yeah.

Because it seems like they're asking him to do a lot that can get in the way. He does a lot, yeah.

It can like, you know, simplifying it just a little bit can help him play a little bit more loose.

I would like them to come out and maybe have a good drive to start a game for once.

Also, here's a fun stat.

Roshon Johnson, did you know that he's the only player to score a touchdown on 100 of the carries inside the five yard line this season minimum four carries that's the guy that we had in on the field for the when doug kramer got the handoff what's doug kramer's percentage at uh he's not scored a touchdown yet zero percent zero percent uh i this is this is a must win for the bears obviously This is also how you respond game. If they respond well, we can start saying, okay, let's see what happens in the NFC North when we get going with that.
If they come out flat, if the Cardinals look good and we lose this game, it's just like bottom out. So it's this week against the Cardinals, next week Patriots.
Yep, and then it starts the gauntlet. And then it's divisional time.
And if you win these two next games, then you're like, okay, Yafs. No, no, no.
I'm not saying Yafs at 6-3. I'm saying if they're 6-3 going into the divisional gauntlet, they have a chance to go to the playoffs.
They would – 6-3 was the goal to get to a spot where, hey, you can take some lumps against the Lions, Packers, and Vikings and still maybe be in the playoffs. I don't even know if I should put this out there into the universe, but I will.
There is a chance that we get a rematch, Big Cat, in the playoffs. Well, I don't think the Bears are going to make the playoffs.
No, don't put that into the universe. I don't think the Bears are going to make the playoffs.
So that would be tough. Okay.
It is out there in the universe now. I mean, if they win these next two games, I'll reassess.
I'm on a week-to-week. It's a week-to-week league.
The only thing that makes me excited about this game is that the Cardinals are last in pass rush win rate rate so hopefully with our banged up offensive line we can still protect caleb and also we people have been calling for tyreek stevenson to get cut we need him because we got some banged up guys and we need him and he's not a bad player he had a bad moment so we need him so the uh the cardinals they they stink in terms of getting pressure yeah uh so if if caleb can have a little bit more time it would be nice it would be very very nice the only the only thing that you're looking at on the cardinal side is they might get their first round pick this week oh so darius robinson has been practicing and he's about to come back uh we don't know if it's going to be on sunday or not okay. If I were the Bears, I would just hope, like, maybe just – Take another week.
Don't push it. Don't push it.
Give yourself another week. Make sure you're ready.
Don't rush it. Let Caleb get some time back in the pocket.
Yeah, don't rush it. Okay, how about Lions at Packers? Hank, are we allowed to get excited about that game? Yes.
This is – This is the primo game? There's two exciting ones. The crown jewel? Wait, what was the other exciting one? I think Dolphins Bills is exciting too.
What? For a casual. You pick Dolphins Bills over Broncos Ravens, Falcons Cowboys? For a casual.
Okay. I disagree, Hank.
Casuals don't even know who Bo Nix is. Are you a casual? If I didn't work for this podcast,

I'd be a lot more casual.

You'd be the most casual.

Would you not...

What would you do on Sundays?

I'd do what I used to do

before this podcast existed,

which is like watch the Patriots game

and then sometimes do other stuff

or go to bars.

And then just be done?

Yeah.

What a life.

All right, so what are your thoughts

on this game?

Because this is going to be a great game. I'm excited this game I think the Lions are going to roll Wow Lions roll What does that mean? 10 plus Like a stomping Jordan Love maybe playing How's his groin? Can we get an update on Jordan Love's groin? I don't know how his groin is.

Groins don't recover that easily.

No.

They don't.

Jordan Love might be playing.

I think the Packers are going to win.

So this is one of Jared Goff's three outdoor games this season.

Yep.

He's only got three of them.

And he hasn't had one yet, right?

Because it's the 49ers. It't had one yet right because it's the

49ers it's the uh packers and it's the bears yeah no he hasn't had one so we're and it's going to be shitty it's going to be like rainy yeah maybe a little bit windy i just uh this just feels like a matt eberflus spot well sorry not matt eberflus i'm an idiot matt lafleur matt lafleur the good Good Matt.

Good Matt.

Matt LaFleur loves doing shit doing weird shit with Malik Willis, who might get some playing time this weekend. And if he plays well, then now we're talking about official Matt Flynn status, where there will be a team that offers him, maybe not insane money, but he will extend his career by three to five years

if he plays good this weekend.

Hank, I don't like when you like the favorite and I like the underdog.

It's Freaky Friday.

You know what I think it is, Big Cat?

Did you hear what Coach Bill said?

No.

Belichick?

No.

Belichick called the Detroit offense impossible to stop.

Whoa.

Impossible.

They are kind of impossible, but they haven't played outside yet.

That's right.

Yeah, maybe only winter.

A little bit slower.

It's also a three and a half. It feels like a lot for a division game.
I'll just say it. It's a lot for a division game.
Mm-hmm. Okay.
Last game in the afternoon, Rams-Seahawks. What, Hank? The stat from advisors that is the one is the Lions are 14-3 against the spread in their last 17 divisional matchups and 14-3 against the spread in their last 17 road games.
Whoa. That's pretty good.
Now I'm thinking the Lions are going to roll. And also impossible to stop offense.
Impossible to stop. But what about Matt LaFleur? Good coach.
But I also think that having a half-in, half-out quarterback, that might not be 100% versus your backup.

It's almost worse than Jordan Love just being out and knowing you're playing Malik Willis.

That's a fair point.

That was good analysis.

Thank you.

Rams Seahawks to the afternoon.

I'm just going to bet the over in this game

and hope the Seahawks aren't total Jekyll and Hyde

where they can't do anything on both sides of the ball.

We're going to get DK back maybe? Hopefully. This is a huge game for the NFC West.
It is, yeah. Massive.
Yeah. Whoever wins this game, it's like we're going to say that they have a commanding lead basically in the NFC West even though they don't.
They absolutely will not. But it's going to feel like that is the best team right now in that division.
And the Rams, if they win, they're all the way back in this thing. If they lose, they're going to be back into a spot where we got a lot of hay to make here.
Yeah, exactly. And then we're also going to be forgetting about the 49ers who will probably get off the bye week, be healthy, and then they'll just stop.
Dominate everyone. Yeah.
I just don't know what the Seahawks just – they feel like they're teetering. What were you going to say, Max? Do you have something? I got nothing.
Nothing? Do you have any opinion on this game? Not much. Nothing? Not much.
I'm excited for this game. I think that McDonald needs to just run the damn ball.
Yeah. This feels like – this just feels like an afternoon game, obviously, because it's in Seattle and it's two NFC West teams.
But, like, I'm just going to enjoy having this game being on you know it's gonna be i'm gonna take the over matt stafford is this matthew stafford is way too often forgotten about uh and now with puka and cooper uh back their their offense is gonna just eat everyone i feel like it's just can their defense which is young, hang in. I like watching Puka Nakua without the ball.
Yeah. He's one of those guys, even when they're running the ball, I just like how he blocks.
And it might have to do with his hair just flying around out there as he's running into linebackers and safeties and shit. But he is one of the funnest players in the NFL to watch when he's not even a part of the play.
Yeah, agreed. All right, last game on Sunday, Colts-Vikings.
This Anthony Richardson thing feels like it's been handled poorly, I would say. So it came out, Shane Steichen made the call, no influence from Jim Arce, no influence from Chris Ballard.
Anthony Richardson came out and said that Steichen didn't really give him a reason why he was being benched. And then Shane Steichen also said, Joe will be our quarterback going forward.
So it's not a one-game benching. He clarified that.
Yeah, he clarified it. That seems like a weird point to clarify.
If you make the switch, and if Joe Flacco doesn't play well, then it's real easy for you to go back to Anthony Richardson. But then he came out and clarified the switch and said, no, he's now our full quarterback.

So now you can't make a switch back to Anthony Richardson.

And then a team source from the Colts said, we are not quitting on Anthony.

That will be the story.

But that's not the case.

Feels like that's the story.

You're quitting on him for now.

Yeah.

It's also like, I know you don't want it to be the story, but it feels like it's the story.

Yeah.

Brian Flores had an interesting quote about Anthony Richardson. He said, I know there's been a lot of talk about the play where he came out but did you watch the play I mean the guy throws a 300 pounder off and runs around I thought it was an incredible play I mean I got tired watching him it seems like this is a lot of description of like Brian Flores is doing too much over praising how crazy that play was yeah it's almost like he's saying it to keep that story going and like in the news.
Well, it's also it like creates. Yeah, he's trying to create the division in that locker room where if there was anyone who was defending Anthony Richard and they'd be like, oh, look, Brian Flores has our back.
I think everyone probably hated that move. Have you watched the play? I because hand up.
I actually haven't seen. I didn't go back and watch the play where he has to come out it wasn't it wasn't that crazy and again i if you're an offensive lineman who is you know offensive linemen have to have to just be living 70 pounds overweight probably banged up everything running down the field and then the quarterback comes out i mean the description of that play was the guy throws a off him, runs around.
Yeah. That's what you do every play if you're an offensive lineman.
Brian Flores playing head games. Yeah.
Keeping it going. The Vikings straight for Cam Robinson from the Jaguars beef up their offensive line.
Good move. Good move.
They had to do it. I'll see.
The Vikings, we'll see if their defense starts to, because it's happened a couple times where the Vikings defense has fallen off a little where at some point you got to have guys who can win one on one and not just blitz yeah blitzing blitzing if you're playing a really good quarterback or quarterback can figure it out blitzing you can't just blitz and be like that's all of our pressure but I think they're still going to do it even if they get those guys that can win one-on-one that's just the Brian Flores way but they're back- back-to-back games where their defense is taking a step back with the Lions and the Rams. They're also a huge free agent signing this week for the Vikings, TJ Hawkinson.
I think he's back. I think he's going to play this week.
That is a huge free agency signing. And I'm excited to see him out there.
Yeah, this is going to be a fun game because Joe Flacco is playing. Sunday night football.
I'm excited. Joe Flacco.
Okay. Let's do a touchdown parlay because we've got to hit it.
Were we two out of three last week? Yeah. I lost.
Yeah, no, it was you, Devontae Adams. Yeah, that was a bad pick.
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Who we got? So, Max, you in? You in, Max? Sure. All right, get in.
I'll hop in. Get in here.
I'm going to go Bijan. I'm going to go Josh.
Josh Allen. I'm going to go Kwon.
He didn't score last week. So it'll be early.
Oh, no, no, no. The Eagles are late game.
Yeah. Yeah, afternoon.

Okay.

Four o'clock.

I feel good about that.

That's a good one.

Yeah, that is a good one.

So go check that out on the DraftKings.

We were one of three last week, just for the record.

What were the other two?

Brian Robinson was the other one.

Oh, okay.

Sorry.

Sorry.

I just remember sitting there and you being like, why did I take Devontae?

No, that was a bad pick.

Yeah, yeah.

But I don't feel as bad.

No, you shouldn't feel as bad. You should not feel as bad.
It was a terrible pick. Okay.
Should we do our picks? We are bad as a collective unit. I'm out of the basement.
Memes is at top. Memes is 9-7.
I'm 8-8. PFT is 7-9.
Max is 6, 9 and 1. Hank is 6 and 10.

Yeah, I might be 1 and 5 in my last 6.

It would be a shame if you had to go on a bachelor party and golf.

I know.

Okay, who's up first?

That would actually be awesome if it was a bachelor party that didn't golf.

That'd be Big Cat.

I am up first.

Ooh, a lot of pressure.

Shit.

I don't like going first here.

I will. I will.
will I will I will take I'll take the Chargers and the Browns over 43 I like Jameis Jameis he'll find. Jameis.
I will take the Detroit Lions minus three and a half against the Green Bay Packers. I will take the over in the Lions Packers over 48 and a half.
I think the last six games, four out of six went over. Fun.
I'm going to take the opposite of Hank. I will take the Packers plus three and a half.
Okay. I will take the over in that game.
Memes just took the over. Memes, you took the over? He did just take the over in that game.
I will take the – did anyone do the under in Patriots Titans? No. No, but I was going to.
I will take that. Nice.
Good pick. 38.
That's a lot of points.

What the fuck?

You go.

I'll go again.

Okay.

So in that case, I will.

Not ready.

I'll take psychopath Derek Carr.

Ooh.

Minus seven at the Panthers.

Mm.

Seven.

Yep.

Seven.

Yep.

I will take the under in Giants Commanders under 44 and a half.

Okay. Vikings minus five.
Ooh. I'm going to take the over in the Commanders-Giants game.
Whoa. Great offense.
I think the Giants is going to be a shootout. Okay.
Shootout. I will take...
Fuck it. I'll take the Bears plus one and a half.
I was thinking about it. Yeah.
I'll just do it. I'll do it.
All right. So you know how you said that playing the Panthers is fun? Yeah.
I think playing the Cardinals from an offensive standpoint. Not the pass rush.
Yeah, no pass rush would be nice. It would be fun.
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Marco Mortadella. My stardom this week, Will Smith.
Big Willie style. It's the fifth straight year Will Smith has won a World Series.
Oh, shit. That's pretty jiggy.
That's wild. How many Will Smiths do you think it is? Three.
It's five. Five.
Five Will Smiths. Holy shit.
Just kidding. It's two.
That guy's doing a lot of slapping. I was close.
Getting jiggy with it. My sit-um, Lil Durk.
Lil Durk. Lil Durk.
He got caught up in a Y-tap He's bopped, he's going to jail for life

He was trying to get back a King Vaughn's guy

Yeah

He said too much on Mike

Now he's riding to the clink

Remember Omerta

My sleeper, Xavier Leggett

Yeah, Xavier

He might be allergic to seafood

But he's not allergic to the end zone

He's going to get in, he's going to have a couple TDs

Take him off the bench, put him in the astat and rotation

Thank you. Yeah.
Xavier. He might be allergic to seafood.
Allergic. But he's not allergic to the end zone.
He's going to get in. He's going to have a couple TDs.
I love it. Take him off the bench, put him in your start and rotation.
I love it. Love that.
Love that a lot. Mortadelli.
Michael Morton. Mikey.
Hey, what's up? This is Austin Capobianco. This weekend, I'm starting covering first base.
Pretty important thing to do. Oh, it's right there.
Oh, where is it? It's right there, right over there. Yeah, but I don't know.
I don't feel like running all the way over there. It's a long way away.
Respect 90. This week, I'm sitting soup this week, actually.
It's been too nice. Italian wedding soup.
It's very nice this time of year normally, but it's been too hot. Why is it so hot out these days? I miss the days when it was October and it was cold.
You had to put on pants. You could set your watch to it.
Remember next week we set our clocks forward. Set our clocks forward.
Yeah, that's right. Absolutely.
And then my sleeper this week is TJ Hawkinson. TJ Hawkinson getting back.
People forget about TJ HawkinsonJ. Hawkinson's going to score a touchdown this weekend.
Bet on T.J. T.J.'s back.
All right, what's up, fuckers? This is Devin Bocopo-Bianco. Hey, Devin Bocopo-Bianco.
My stardom this week is Shohei Otani's interpreter. I hope he bet on the Dodgers to win the World Series and made some bank.
Ipe. Ipe.
Ipe. Good job, Ipe.
My sit-em is Ryan Clark. He dressed up as Bill Belichick for Halloween And it's fucking freaky I thought it was funny I thought it was creepy I think it's an example of a double standard White face Double standard Can't do that shit Ryan Clark I don't think he used to play when he went out to Denver Which is a smart move Because you go out there You might turn a little gay You might start looking at your buddy and be like, hey, the altitude's getting to me.
Give me a kiss. And my sleeper this week is going to be Bijan.
Three touchdowns for Bijan. Love that.
Three. Love that.
Oh, yeah, that is creepy. How do you say that looked good? It doesn't look like Bill Belichick.
It's funny. It looks like white chicks.
It looks like. That's funny.
It's funny, but it doesn't look like Bill Belichick. It's funny.
It looks like white chicks. That's funny.
It's funny, but it doesn't look like Bill Belichick.

I mean, to me, Halloween is funny and creative.

But he should have just worn the sweatshirt and the wig.

That's basic.

But it doesn't look like Bill Belichick.

You remember those episodes of The Office where Kathy Bates came in?

That looks like Kathy Bates.

I expect to have two Great Danes next to her.

It doesn't look like Belichick.

Belichick looked great in his suit.

What did he do?

He just wore one of Ryan Clark's.

Oh, what did you think about the shots fired?

Yeah, shots fired.

I mean, it's petty wars.

This was Belichick's ex-girlfriend.

Wife. Wife? I believe so.'s petty wars.
This was Belichick's ex-girlfriend. Wife.

Wife?

I believe so.

Okay.

Yeah.

So what happened?

She wore a Kill Bill costume?

She wore a Kill Bill costume, and then his new girlfriend dressed up as him when he was

the coach of the Giants.

I don't know if that was a response or a coincidence.

Oh.

He's got girls fighting over each other. I love it.
Dressing up as your boyfriend for Halloween, that's kind of strange. Can we see the young Bill Belichick? Because then what? Do you kiss her? Kiss yourself? Well, she's dressed up as you.
I'd agree that's a little strange. Okay.
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Jules, who now has another podcast, Dudes on Dudes with Gronk,

which we're going to get both of you on together in a couple weeks.

But we wanted to have you on to talk ball.

And also, dude, how many podcasts are you going to do?

I think this is it. Two.
We'll do two. Okay.
Two. It's a good amount.
Honestly, it's just an excuse for me and Rob to hit the hot tub together and do like a sauna session and then like talk for an hour. And it's been fun.
We've literally tried to bring the same routine that we did together for nine years in new England and just try to capture like the locker moments when you're, you know, in between meetings, you go there and you guys are taking a piss next to each other.

And, you know, Rob says, oh, dude, you see how good fucking Ray Lewis looks on film or something like that.

And just crazy shit like that.

So it's been fun.

Games with names has been fun.

Dudes with dudes has been fun. It's cool to have two different kind of concepts, but kind of similar.
You know, like we get to talk about games on the Games with Names. And then, you know, everyone always wants to categorize what kind of guy a guy is.
You know, and that's kind of what we've been doing on Dudes with Dudes. You know, you got your stud, your freak, your dudes dude, your whiz, and a dog.
So it's been fun to kind of go in there and categorize it and then communicate with the people arguing about, nah, this guy's not a dog, he's a whiz. So it's been fun.
Honestly, for me, it helps me in my TV world too because the more I watch the old football, then it brings all these memories from like my career that I fucking completely forgot and then like it makes it better for everything so these things are just awesome keeps my head in the game yeah okay so what is a dude what is a dude what are the categories of dudes it's your show so whatever yeah what is a dude I want to know there's five categories You got your stud. Oh, so a dude is in its own category.
No. A dude is just like someone that we all are.
Man or female. Man or girl.
You could be a dude. A dude's like a bro.
You have a seven-year-old. How old is your kid, big cat? Five.
Are they bro-ing you yet? Yeah, he bros me all the time. He goes, what's up, bro? I got a seven-year-old daughter.
I don't know what she means by it, but that's the same thing as a dude. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
He says that all the time. And there's five different categories.
You got your stud, which is like the athleticism's there, the football IQ. He's got the pedigree.
He's always been the guy. You got your freak, which is a one-of-one guy.
He's just a fucking one-of-one. There's no one like him, you know, like a Randy Johnson or like a Randy Moss or some receiver.
He's a one-of-one, jumps high, catches a ball, can freaking, you know, track anything, one-hander landers. He was just an absolute freak.
You've got your dog, someone who's like relentless, motivated, maybe had to go the long road, maybe been arrested or something, but has always been that kind of guy to make big plays when his team needs it. Then you got your whiz, which that's like an innovative guy.
For me, like an intellect guy, someone who comes in clutch, like a Steph Curry. Like that dude's like the most unbelievable whiz.
He's literally changed the game of basketball because now like I just remember basketball always being a bigger guy's sport. Now like you see a bunch of these littler dudes.
It's a space game. It's three pointers.
Like every kid you go to like the asphalt. So I'll be at my daughter's soccer practice and I'll watch the kids playing basketball.

And like every kid thinks they're Steph Curry. They're like eight year olds hitting like trying to like they're practicing their their half court shots.
That's a whiz. It's unreal.
And then you get your dudes do the dudes do is your glue guy. You know, the guy who's in the locker room kind of – he's not maybe – he's not the craziest player on your team uh but he's kind of that guy that keeps everything together you can count you can count on them uh when you're having a low day or you can go have a beer with them he may not drink but he'll he'll be there and just listen to you like a dude's dude he's the blue guy so that we just categories these dudes into what kind of dudes they are i like i like that wait so what are we dudes dudes yeah we're not we're definitely not freaks i would say this is what i thought for you two okay pft i think he's a whiz okay i i think he's elite with just his podcast wittiness and you were in that category too but like it's it's just it's different when you're from dc like the chicago is like the cheers vibes so like everyone wants to hang out with you so i put you in the dudes dude category you know you could you could you could be in any room you could do five different shows which you both can do that.
But it's just impressive that anywhere you're around, people just want to hang out with you because you just seem like a guy that everyone wants to hang out with. What about Hank? That's the most important part.
Hank, I would say is – Dog. I give him a dog.
Dog. I give him a dog.
Didn't he get fired like four times and just kept on showed him back to work? He's been fired. He started as an intern.
Didn't get paid for the first 20 years of his career or five years of his career. Now he's kind of worked his way up the rank.
What about Max? Freak? Max is a freak. I don't know Max that well yet still.
I'm still learning Max. We got to get you to do a freak off with Max.
Yeah. Max is a – I'd say a big baby.
I like some of his takes. He's funny.
Big freak. Big freak.
That's what that boy Max is. He doesn't sound like a big guy on the podcast, though.
Like when I met him, I was like, he doesn't sound like a bigger guy. Yeah, he's powerful.
He's powerful, Max. I don't know if you just saw the news, Julian, but speaking of dudes and dudes that do podcasts, I hope I'm not breaking this to you, but you and Gronk did not win sexiest podcast hits this year.
Who won it? The Kelseys. Without a doubt.
You think so? I don't know you guys are pretty sexy they're they're pretty they're they're hot right now they're they're they're on this the fire right now yeah they also i saw you guys mention on your podcast that uh you and gronk were saying that uh travis and taylor should have a kid 100 so why is it oh yeah so why why is it okay for you to say that, but we can't? You guys said they shouldn't? We were encouraging them to try. We wanted to try really hard.
Yeah. But we...
It could run around. It could probably dunk.
Yeah. She'll be a freak.
She's a stud. They're a stud they're both studs that make a freak um jules what we need to get we need to get your take on i know you probably said it on a couple other shows but uh tell us the whole gerard mayo soft thing how a team responds to that what what's going on in new england right well the team clearly responded uh you know they go out and got a win against the jets we all know that rivalry uh and for me with gerard i think he was including himself in that like i think he's on that level with the team where he could say that and he knows what buttons to push to get them to to clearly respond like they did this week against the Jets.
You know, he's a guy that's played.

He communicates in more of a younger fashion, and it clearly works. So, you know, I'm happy for Gerrard.
And sometimes, hey, you got to call a spade a spade. You can't go out there and lie to the guys and say, you know, go and do a press game conference and give up a million yards in the run game, kick return for a touchdown and say things are freaking sunshine and rainbows.
You know, you've got to press a little – put a little urgency in there. And he did, and they went out and responded.
Yeah. Has a coach ever called you soft? Who? Has any coach ever called you soft? Ah, I don't think so.
I can't remember your time. Now, you know, maybe like the unit or something, you know, like there's been some kind of softness communicated, but never like publicly, but it's just a different generation.
Like they were tough on you. They would do that to try to pull a string.
Even if you weren't soft,

they try to say you're soft because they knew I would get all pissed off.

And then they would,

you know, like that's just a,

that's a,

that's what coaches have to do.

They got to find certain buttons to push to,

to make certain guys go.

Some guys need to be hurt,

hear that stuff.

And some guys need to be pampered.

So.

Yeah.

I'm not soft.

It's, it happens. a lot of guys get called soft

sometimes yeah when they're actually not yeah i don't know i'm going um you you wouldn't know

you you've definitely never been called soft i like that you you tried to be like oh yeah the

unit well you did yeah he did say my unit's been called yeah before oh i don't know about my you

i i just don't want someone to fucking hear this clip and say yeah we called you soft that

Thank you. Yeah, he did say my unit's been called soft before.
I don't know about my unit. I just don't want someone to fucking hear this clip and say, we called you soft that one year and I don't fucking remember, so I'm trying to make it gray.
Yeah, maybe after a little whiskey. Yeah, maybe.
No, this never happens to me, babe. Yeah.
Don't call my unit soft. Yeah, listen, Julian, we've all been there.
It's okay, but we watched the film.

Everyone knows fucking New England Patriots receivers weren't soft. We were fucking...

You know, you guys see everyone

blocking the run game, and we were extension

to that run game. We took pride in that.

We had three fucking rules in New England's

receiver room. Get open,

catch ball, and block.

That was the three things you had

to fucking do.

I think what Big Cat was about to say was that, like, that's the

worst thing you can call. Yeah, it's the worst thing you can call

Oh,

Thank you. Catch ball and block.
That was the three things you had to fucking do. Yeah.
I think what Big Cat was about to say was that, like, that's the worst thing you can call. Yeah, it's the worst thing you can call a team, right? Soft? I mean, we play a physical sport.
This is a physical sport, and, you know, toughness goes a long way. You look at the last however many Super Bowl champs, they all had some form of characteristic of toughness in their locker room or in their play.
So I think that would be a tough long day if you heard that you were soft. Yeah.
All right, so Jules, we're going to run this Friday before week nine. So I don't really want to go into the past here, but I have to ask about the Tyreek Stevenson, obviously the Hail Mary.
When you see that, is that a discipline thing with a football team where it's like, because it's kind of the old coaching thing, like either you're teaching it or you're allowing it to happen. Is that wrong for me to say, oh, as much as Tyreek Stevenson needs, that's a – like coaching matters and having your guys in the right spot and locked in for 60 minutes matters.
And that's kind of like a – that's a culture thing. Yeah.
If I were to see that when I was playing, I would look at that like if I saw the highlight of that. And I would just say that that's just a bad football team like yeah you know you or a young football team they're just they're young in the mind still like they still have good things and Chicago did some really good things on defense that we are against the Washington Redskins but like that's competitive stamina and that's the those are the little things that separate like a good football program program from a team that's still trying to figure out what they are and who they are.
Would you ever see a Dan Campbell team do that? No, definitely not. Would you see one of the Harbaugh's guys' teams do that? No.
No. You just don't.
And I know Matt Eberflus has walked through that situation probably once a week for the last 23 weeks or however long they've been in OTAs. That's something every team does.
And if they don't, we've got a problem. So regardless, whoever's fault it is, it doesn't look good.
It looks like a slapdick organization that, like, act like you've been there. Go out and win a game before you win a game, especially against such a – you know, it's a conference opponent.
There's a lot riding in that game, even though it's a week seven game, you know, for your young quarterback that, you know, needs a little confidence. You guys go out and win that game.
Chicago goes out and wins that game. You know, the confidence of that team is on a different level than what it is right now.
And this is when you need to be your most confident, especially going into the division, which all these teams are going to have to start battling in the division right now. They put themselves in good positions to get to this situation.
Like, that's not what you want. So hopefully they can turn it around.
I mean, they got young guys. They may be too naive to know how big that moment is and, like, have short enough memory where they can just go.
You know, that could be spin zone right there for you. Yeah.
Okay. I like that.
They don't know how big the opportunity they have is right now, so, like, it doesn't matter. You're going to play the same regardless.
Yeah. Guys like that that I that i've played with you know what i mean like yeah you don't realize like hey it's it's like you go out and you have a really bad football play and like it doesn't efface them because they don't realize how big it is and then they they go make a play after so maybe you do that with chicago bears so what's the best way to to punish a guy like that how does it happen in the nfl I don't know, man.
It would just be like he's going to run until he throws up. And it was like, okay, we'll run for a while, and then he won't do it again.
But at the NFL, obviously, they're pros. They get treated a little bit differently.
There's a CBA. But can you just make somebody run, or do you have to shame them in film room, or how does that work out? I think he's probably feeling pretty embarrassed right now and feels pretty bad.
And, you know, the whole team sees that on film. Like that's the most humbling thing as a player is when like I've had plays where, you know, I've been stripped touchdown other way against Baltimore.
You know, you fumble in a big, crucial situation. And that, like as as a player is like the worst feeling.
It's like when you go home, it reminds you a lot of when your mom got your report card and your dad didn't come home yet and you had like a C or maybe a D plus on that thing. She didn't tell your dad yet.
Like, and then you finally have to, he gets to see it and you see the react. Like when you see him, that's scary.
That moment of anticipating the scaredness of what your dad is going to do or say. That's how he's probably feeling going into that film session.
So if he loves football, you know, I don't know what the team does. I mean, I'm sure some of the leaders are probably going to have a talk with him.
The coach should probably have a talk with them. It depends on what kind of guy he is in the locker room, too.
Like if this is a thing that occurs a lot, like, and you can see that in,

in just workplace environment. If he's a guy that, you know,

thinks his shit doesn't stink and he, and,

and does that kind of shit all the time, they'll probably be tougher on him.

If he's a guy that thinks his shit doesn't stink and does that kind of shit all the time, they'll probably be tougher on him. If he's a guy that maybe slipped up and the moment was a little too much for him and he got too excited, maybe he made a mistake.
So I don't know what kind of guy the guy is in the building, but I would be terrified going in and having to watch that around my teammates just because of the accountability factor.

Your punishment is you have to take a goal line carry next week from the one.

That's probably what Walden's going to do.

I would love that.

Yeah.

That's your punishment.

Just like a big picture thing.

Touchdown.

Fuck, that's a – no way.

Yeah.

Give him that.

The big picture thing in the NFL, who has been – are you as high on the lines as i am i was

trying to ask a question that would get you to talk about the lines but i feel like they are

the best team in the nfl right now top to bottom um the hudginson injury is obviously devastating

for their defense but i still think that they right now have the best shot at the super bowl

that they've maybe ever had in the history of their franchise and i think they're the best

team in the nfl um do you agree with that you think of their franchise. And I think they're the best team in the NFL.
Do you agree with that? You think I'm crazy? I don't think they're the best team in the NFL. But I do think this is the best opportunity that they can go out and have a shot to win the Super Bowl.
They're playing really good football. The Hutchinson injury, though, does concern me.
Like, against bad football teams, you don't need a pass rush. And with the offensive line that they have, they can control games and keep the other offense off the field.
But, you know, the Lions have played so good, they're not in the category of that now. They're at a place where, you know, it's NFC Championship or bust or it's Super Bowl or bust because they've played themselves in that standard.
They've played such a good job and they've shown how good they are. So I'm concerned of those games when they have to play against a Lamar Jackson, maybe in a Super Bowl or, you know, a Brock Purdy or a Jordan Love.
And, you know, when they need to have that third and eight on defense, can they get off the field? Like there's going to be a time where you're going to have to do that. And if you can't, man, you like that's when the big name players make their money and their names are in those situations.
And they don't have any. They have a lot of guys that are working hard.
They play physical fast, but, you know, they got to find a way to manufacture that. That's how I think.
Do you think that they could stop Patrick Mahomes on a third and eight to clinch the game?

I don't think so right now.

That's how I think.

Like, all these games, that's good.

But can you stop them in the red?

They need to get three points in the red area.

They can't give up a touchdown.

Can they stop them in the red area?

Or can they score a touchdown in the red area?

Can Jared Goff go and play from behind?

There's a lot of situations we haven't seen. Yes, he played behind a little bit in that Minnesota game, but I think there was more to that just for the physical factor of Detroit.
But they definitely have put themselves in a great situation. I do get a little scared with one thing with the Detroit Lions, though.
Dan Campbell. I love him to death.
Love Dan Campbell, but he needs to evolve his play color, his coaching style. He can't act like he's the hunter anymore.
He's being hunted. You're the good team.
Your culture's in place. We don't have to run a fake punt in the opening drive against a divisional rival on a fourth and three on your 35 when you, me, everyone in the goddamn stadium knew it was going to be a fake fucking punt.
We can't do that. You don't need to steal a possession anymore.
You have a great offense that we're going to score your points. You could do that right now in week seven.
You go do that in the playoffs, you'll get eliminated. Good teams will capitalize on those.
That's the one thing that worries me with Dan. And I know he floats that line of reckless and aggressive, and he doesn't need to right now.
You don't have to. Your team is good enough where you could just sit back and play and let the game unfold itself and use the strengths that you have, and it's going to be enough.
Yeah, no, it's a good point.

I didn't even think about because it is true.

Like the, they do have that scrappy underdog, but they're not anymore.

They're the best team in the NFC.

Yeah.

We don't need any more fake punts.

I like, I do like it.

I liked it when he did it and he needed it two years ago.

I mean, that's where this is a different team.

This is a different year. You have different standards.
We don't need that. The recklessness is fun, though, just as an outsider.
Maybe I'd think differently if I was a Lions fan, but watching them and rooting for them, I do. I enjoy it because you know that Dan Campbell is going to do some fuck shit.
I don't think that he's not. You're right.
He's not going to stop doing it either. It's like this is who he is, so love him or hate him, he's going to continue to call maybe some unnecessary risks that he doesn't have to take.
100%. All right.
What team right now do you have your eyes on that's maybe four and four, five and three, and you're like, watch out for that. Rams.
You're starting to put Rams. I like – I fucking, you know, ever since I started working on Fox,

I watched this NFC so much more.

And I live in LA and watching Matthew Stafford.

And I talked about it three weeks ago when they played the 49ers. I was like, we had some mariachi.

You know, it was Latin, Latino month or something or day.

We had the mariachi on the show.

And I was like, Matthew Stafford could take this mariachi band out and go

and compete.

And if you catch him slipping, he'll take advantage and win a game.

Thank you. on the show.
And I was like, Matthew Stafford could take this mariachi band out and go and compete.

And if you catch him slipping, he'll take advantage and win a game. And that's what he did that week against the Niners.
And what those last three or four like kind of hard weeks have been for the

Lions have been a great opportunity for to gain depth. I mean, now that you're getting Puka back,

Cooper's back, like they look like a completely different team. Kyron Williams is a stud.
They found him in the fifth round. And now you got like Tutu Atwells and all these three, four, five receivers that got a lot of opportunity to get experience in those four or five weeks that Puka and Coop have been out.
So I think they're going to be a tough team. They've got a young defense that plays hard, and it's so hard to bet against Matthew Stafford, man.
He competes. It doesn't matter who's in the huddle with him.
He finds a way to make the game competitive. He's a...
I think he's a first-bout Hall of Famer, man. He's a stud.
Yes. I've been saying it for a long time.
I said it before it was cool, not to brag brag he's one of the most gifted throwers of the football man yeah like we always give Aaron and Aaron deservingly so but like I feel like he's like an Aaron and Mahomes hybrid we're like he gets that pop that that Aaron got but he also has been changing arm angles and doing no looks back in Detroit 10 15 years Just, we didn't talk about it because they were getting their teeth kicked in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so this, this episode is coming out, I think the day after Halloween,

right?

November 1st.

Yeah.

You were on the Patriots for the Belichick Halloween costume thing, right?

Where he dressed up like a pirate.

Yeah.

Tell me about the process behind that,

because I remember at the time watching it on TV and like all the players were shocked that Bill Belichick actually like did something fun and went all out for Halloween. So what was that like him? And did you get the invite to it? I didn't go.
I didn't go. I was a rookie.
I think I was a rookie that year. And like I was still like trying to make the team.
I was like bouncing around and I wasn't I couldn't have fun with like the superstars and the coaches yet so but you know it was pretty crazy because we all saw it on the internet like the next day like the guys that weren't there it was it was pretty uh or heard about it you know everyone was talking about it randy was talking about it randy randy always talked about that halloween party um but didn't didn't get inside look. Don't have any info on that.
I know he looked like he had a fun time, him and his babe. Yeah.
You mentioned Rodgers. So, it's coming out after the Thursday night game.
But what do the Jets do? Is it Aaron Rodgers or is it everything else around him? Because it's a disaster, an absolute disaster how the season has started for them. Yeah, it's a tough season.
I don't know. I've never been in that situation.
But, you know, whenever things were like State of the Union type, like, feelings around the building and, like, we thought the sky was falling after, like, maybe maybe a two-game slide like what you really have to do to get out of that slump and we all just got to worry about one game can we just stop with the noise every week like we don't want to hear about this we don't want to hear about that like let's just put all our time and energy and trying to do everything we can to go put our best performance on Sunday for three hours. That's all we got to do this week.
If we're receivers, let's go study our third down plan. So when we know it's third and six, we know we're getting that defensive coverage.
We can spit out the play call. That's how fast and on a great page we are.
Let's worry about our job. That's all they got to do and it's a tough it's tougher i guess said than done uh and i can't explain a lot of the actions and what they've done they put a lot of it's kind of like you know it's kind of like one of those those have you seen those rubber things where you watch those infomercials and you know you see the guy slaps the thing on the boat as a hole in it it stops the water and yeah yeah flex seal yeah yeah one of those i they need you need flex seal i think that stuff works though it definitely works like yeah i have seen the commercials the guy that like builds a canoe out of it you know what i thought about and i'm gonna catch some slack for this but the way the organizations are ran in the last few years and the Jets are like, I would say like the Oakland Raiders, the West Coast Jets, or the Raiders, the East Coast, or the Jets, the East Coast Raiders.
These organizations just seem like they do such desperate moves so fast. They do the same shit.
Is it not synonymous? Like hiring Tom Brady as an owner? No, I think that's going to change it, baby. It's going to change everything.
I said last few years. Did you see how I worded that? Yeah, that was very smart.
Not now. Not now.
Raiders Nation should be excited. I just, it's the teams, teams that try shortcuts.
There's the, there's no shortcut to winning in the NFL. You got to build a roster through the draft and free agency, not just free agency, not just that.
Like you just can't do shortcuts. It's bro.
Yeah. You got to put it in the bank.
As Belichick would say, put it in the fucking bank. Run the hell.
These are just deposits. A lot of times around this time of the season, I look around the NFL and I just imagine what the most bummer teams to play for would be.
Like punching that clock, going into work every day. You don't really have – you have to invent reasons to be excited.
Would they be number one? Because I feel like there's a handful of teams that I think would be bummers to play for in various different ways. But you think the Panthers are number one? Yeah, dude.
I don't know, man. It's tough over there.
And I feel bad because you know they're working hard. They just don't know how to work probably.
Or whatever they're doing, it's, they're professional athletes and they're working. I guarantee they're working hard.
That's got to be so tough to to, you know, try to go into work and put a good practice in and string together three or four good practices and then get your teeth kicked in every Sunday. I it's that's.
That would be tough. That would be tough.
You know, I've never experienced that in my career. I felt that at Kent State.
I felt that at Kent. But we were always dangerous.
We were a dangerous team. We weren't getting blown out.
So we weren't even like the Panthers, man. We'd go battle some big teams.
We'd be the BCS team at Kent State. We'd be Iowa State back in the day.

So, like, you know, we were that

dangerous team. I would say we were more like

Arizona.

We were more like Arizona,

where, like, if they put it all together, they don't turn the ball

over. They got some really good football players,

and the quarterback is athletic

and can make some plays, but if he

turns it over, it's not good.

So, what about a team that

had expectations that hasn't lived up to them?

I'm speaking more like the Cowboys.

If you're on a podcast, and can make some plays, but if he turns it over, it's not good. So what about a team that had expectations that hasn't lived up to him?

I'm speaking more like the Cowboys.

If you're on a team like that,

they seem like they would be a bummer to play for right now,

but for a very different reason than the Panthers,

who just – they were rebuilding.

They kind of knew that, didn't have a lot of expectations.

But down in Dallas, things just seem like the vibes are way off.

Yeah, stress seems high. Stress levels in the building are high right now.
You can feel it. I feel it.
Yeah, you know, that's one of those positions where, you know, they're the Dallas Cowboys. They're always going to have that microscope.
And, you know, there are certain things they could have addressed at the end of the year that maybe they I don't know I'm not in the books I don't know how their teams built but you know when you pay you know high top dollar for three or four players you know you usually lose depth or you can't have that that mid-player guy that is very productive you know the you know so I just think there's a whole lot that goes into that. They're all, you know, I think they need to find a running game.
That's how Dak has had all his success. It's always been off the play action, let's stay ahead of our count, not to have, you know, a running back that can handle that and that they can build off of.
I was a little disappointed. So they got to find a way to manufacture some run.
I know Dalvin Cook came out, but he don't look – he looks a little – he needs a couple more reps. Maybe Hunter Lepke season? What? Lepke, their fullback.
You seen that guy? Yeah. That's a dog.
Dog. Dog.
Run with the dog. That whole team.
San Francisco's kind of disappointed me too, though, honestly. Yeah.
They feel like that's also injuries. Say that again? That's also injuries and the weird stuff going to training camp.
They feel like they're way better than their record and they should be able to put some more games together. Yeah.
This is National Football League. Kansas City's had a lot of big injuries over there.
May not have been on the defensive side, but on offense. And they've had the mental toughness to find ways to win games.
I think that's clearly what it is in San Fran. I mean, I love them.
They're a good football team. I root for them.
That's my childhood team. But, like, they act like they've already won the Super Bowl.
Like, the way they play and stuff to me. They need a little more mental toughness.
There's always a story out there. Someone's hurt.
Someone's shot. Someone's this.
Someone's that. Guy's not playing, wants more money.
There's so many things that go on over there. How can you not have a bad season? How can you focus on the games? We don't focus on anything, but what's going on outside the game.
That's what I feel over there. Yeah, you guys are banged up.
Yeah, you don't have Christian McCaffrey, but let's fucking put our energy in. Let's go take this opportunity and make some names.
That's what you have to do in the National Football League if you're a good football team. That's why you look at Kansas City, they're dealing with the same shit.
They find ways to win games, even when the quarterback's not playing, even when Pat's not playing that great. That's a team game.
That's a team game. Sometimes the offense ain't putting up the points.
Defense looks at you and says, hey, boys, we got you. Hey, we got you.
Just don't turn that shit over. All right, man, we got you.
Sometimes with the defense, hey, we got you. You guys can't stop a lick right now.
We're going to score points. You know, that's what a good team does.
Finds ways. Special teams, hey, we need a fucking touchdown.
Let's get one. Team's in need right now.
We ain't got shit. That's exactly why I like Pittsburgh, because I feel like Pittsburgh's defense has been saying to their offense for years, like, we got you.
We'll go out there, we'll keep it interesting for you. And now that their offense is like, maybe we'll get you a little bit.
Yeah, Pittsburgh's sneaky, man. You got to tip your cap to Tom Lemon to have the balls to do what he's done.
And it looks like it's working out, because Russ, that team right now reminds me and gives me like, I'm not saying they are, but it's like those Legion of Boom Super Bowl teams. Russ Wilson throws a teardrop here, deep ball there.
He's got an explosive receiver. He'll get a good run game and play really good defense to special teams.
Like that's how they won in Seattle. So, you know, Russ is – hopefully he can build off this.
You know, he's not going to have the same kind of running that he did in those days, maybe he's learned to be able to dump the ball off in which he's he has uh these last couple games and they've looked pretty good yeah they have five and two man five wait no are they five and two six and two six and two top of the top of the afc north yeah i mean that's that's that's Talk about a team that just ignores the noise. Talk about a team that – we don't even got a goddamn starting quarterback at the beginning of the year.
And, you know, we got all these stories. Who's the quarterback? Who's not? This guy's getting traded at receiver, this, that.
And they're 6-2. That's a good football team.
That's a football team right there yeah we were talking earlier about uh about their record on monday night football i think they're 22 and 0 in their last 22 games at home yeah on monday night is there is there a difference like can you feel a difference in in a game that's played at night versus a game that's played at you know 1 p.m on a Sunday? 100%. Night games, you feel the electricity.

Sunday night football, Monday night football.

It's crazy.

It used to be early in my career,

Monday night football was the thing.

That was like you wanted it.

It was like the only show on.

And then later, Sunday night football kind of caught up to it. And that became where everyone was at the, you know, everyone, it's the nightcap.
Like that's where everyone's watching. And there's definitely a lot more electricity in those night games, especially with the matchups you usually have in those games.
You know, they're going to put a crappy game on one of those in theory. So it's always been fun to play in those night games, you know, when everyone's watching.
Everyone's watching. We played a lot of those.
All right. Well, Jules, I know you got to run in a second.
I have one last question for you. Everyone tune in to Dudes on Dudes, also games with names.
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Is Bill Belichick going to coach again? Hell yeah. Okay, so that's a hell yeah.
That's definite. Because he's doing great at media, and you've got to probably be a little like, what the hell is this? He's way nicer than he was when he was our coach.
But he's not lost. He's definitely going to coach again.
Last few weeks, if you notice, he's been getting a little, you know, I always said early in the thing, it's all sunshine rainbows with Bill on the media. Real good TV and real good podcasting will be put on like this five, 20 worst plays in fucking that weeks of football.
And then have him break down that film. And you've kind of seen a little bit of that.
Yeah. That's real entertainment.
This like fun stuff is, that's not fun, but I think he's been doing great. But I do think he, he, he loves football and he wants to coach, man.
I think this could be all part of his master trick of trying to get back in and show that he's young and cool. That's part of his plan.
But I think he wants that record. I don't know.
He's never told me. I'm speaking for myself, Coach Belichick, so don't be coming at me.
But, yeah, if I was a gambling man, I think he'd be a coach. Yeah, I think he wants that record.
He needs what? I absolutely – yeah, I love how much he hates bad football. Oh, he hates it.
It's the best. Yeah, he's just disgusted by it.
Who was he talking about? I got flashbacks. Who was he talking about? It was something to do with – oh, the Jets.
Yeah the Jets. No.
He doesn't. He hates the Jets.
And he's got grudges, which I appreciate. This guy comes and he's been off the field, runs past the quarterback every time.
Every year. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Contained. It's good stuff.
My last question for you, Jules. I don't know if you've seen maybe my favorite new TV show, but it's the Aaron Hernandez American Sports Story that they've got on FX.
Have you had the chance to watch it? Because they put you on – you were in the TV show. I don't know if you know that.
They reenacted one of your scenes where you caught a little pass out in the flat and then ran and got tackled immediately. I think you actually bobbled the pass on the TV show.
I think it's kind of true. Do you think you bobbled that one? I heard Aaron on that, on that play.
I got rolled up. They, they sniffed it out and they, it was basically like a, we, we spread.
It was a stacked position. He threw it out to me like a slip screen or something like that.
They read it. It was three on two.
They dove in. I don't think he really blocked anyone.
The guy came in. I fell up on his ankle.
I didn't look that unathletic. I looked pretty athletic doing it.
I saw in the the reenactment that they did you didn't even catch the ball cleanly you like bobbled it a few times and then i went back and i watched the real thing you caught your pass cleanly i thought that was kind of fucked up that they did that to you was i see i don't even remember if i caught it cleanly yeah i think you did i think it was a great catch and they made you look like a schmuck yeah yeah you probably enjoy watching it they do great job portraying a Welker. Wes Welker has a very significant part in that show.
I haven't even watched. I've watched a couple of the clips.
I watched like probably the shit you guys post. The Belichick scene was the best.
Yeah. I saw that scene.
I saw that scene. That could be as he got the balls to ask him if he does it yet.
I want to ask him. I don't think he did it.
But maybe he did it. Maybe they had inside track.
Maybe Belichick was rocking out to Bon Jovi, who was in the locker room a bunch. You know, he's a friend of the organization.
Bill and the Krabs. All right.
Well, Jules, thank you. We love you.
And we'll talk to you soon. And you keep crushing it.
Two podcasts now. Hey, let's go.
Hey, man. Keep your head up, bubs.
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And now, here's Bruce Arians. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest.
It is Coach Bruce Arians, Super Bowl champion coach, legend of the game. Coach, great to see you, first of all.
We've been friends with you now for, yeah, we were saying like six, seven years. So you are fully retired-ish.
Ish. Ish.
Let's start with that. How is fully retirement-ish? Because when we saw you, still you still had a super bowl to win oh yeah it was it was still go time back then yeah and now it's uh you know after after the first year i went to practice every day went to the games and uh had that little incident down new orleans where i wasn't on sidelines anymore but i thought i was around too much you know i had guys looking at me not todd and i gave the team to Todd.
It's your team, man. Let's go.
So I went to the lake the last couple years, and I didn't know golf in the fall was so much fun, man. It was pretty cool.
Do you still watch all the games? You sit down on Sunday? I've got all four of them on at the same time. That's bringing broadcasts.
And I love the game. I really do i hate hate not being a part of it but it was time for me to get out yeah yeah so i i know that was probably a tough decision for you because you've been off and on retired i feel like what how many times did you walk away from coaching like five just twice just twice but yeah felt like twice officially but then i'm sure that there were promises behind the scenes where you're like i swear this is my last year you know um but so when when you officially retired retired walked away um did you did you think about coming back one more time this time no you know actually i had a dream the other night and i took a job and i woke up sweating like what the fuck it's like a nightmare my wife said you had a nightmare i said yeah it was I was coaching again.
Jameis just threw another interception.

We love Jameis.

We're big fans of Jameis Winston on this podcast.

I know that as a coach, you probably loved him at times,

and other times probably made you want to pull your hair out.

Yeah, I mean, that's the beauty of Jameis.

I mean, it's exciting.

Yeah.

It's one thing.

And no one works harder.

You know, he and I go, well, I had this little football camp in Birmingham

way back with my son and I,

and Jameis won the quarterback competition in 10th grade.

Oh, wow. So I've known him forever.
And the legend of Jay Boo in Birmingham is big. So I've always been a fan, and it was one of the reasons I kept back in coaching.
I love Jason Light. I like Tampa's situation.
I thought we could win with Jameis. andis and i think staying with byron left which did with him that first year 5100 yards 33 touchdowns the 30 interceptions would have come down but the last two we had to look behind door number two yeah yeah it was just the last two yeah and um and not knowing behind door number two is going to be Tom Brady.
Right. Or we'll stick with Jameis and make him better.
Yeah. We're rooting for him.
Whenever he gets in. I was happy for him this week.
Yeah. And at the end of the game, he had the good Jameis and the bad Jameis on his last two throws.
That's him. But you know what? When the good is good with Jameis, it's excellent.
Oh, there's hardly any better. Yeah.
He can make throws very few people can make. What was it like when you made the switch from Jameis to Tom Brady where it's like Tom Brady comes in and he's Tom Brady.
He's got six Super Bowl rings at the time. And you're the coach.
It's your team. But that's a crazy amount of pull of gravity with Tom Brady in the locker room.
Did you feel it when he came? No, because we couldn't be in the locker room. Oh, yeah, that's true.
COVID hit in March. My wife met Tom Brady for the first time on the stage at the Super Bowl.
Holy shit. That's how crazy that year was.
Wow. That was a crazy year.
To play those games in empty stadiums and we we pull into chicago we pull into new york it's night game and there's no energy right it took a long time to get used to that yeah and uh but no so with tom it was like thank god blaine blaine would take they would all go over to the yankees facility and start throwing and uh blaine gabbert was basically giving him the offense you know and this is how we do it and he says you know can you run a route different can you run it like this I like it better this way and I told Blaine whatever he likes good you know we'll fix it and uh so we don't we don't meet till the first day of training camp yeah and no preseason games and uh it was such a weird year yeah yeah and And immediately in training camp, did you know, okay, this guy still got it?

No.

We knew he had it.

We broke down every throw he made for the last three years.

I didn't see any drop off.

Yeah. You know, and so he was never – he was extremely mobile inside the pocket,

just like Peyton.

You would never say Tom's going to run anywhere.

So, you know, that was our offense anyway. You know, We're just getting him to push it up the field a bit further than he was normally used to.
The no risk it, no biscuit. He probably enjoyed that though when you said, hey, we're going to start bombing this.
It really did. It really came to fruition in the most meaningful game.
We're in Atlanta. We've got a win to get in, and we're down 17-0 at halftime.
It's like, hey, Tommy, JPP's taking care of the defense right now. He's going off over there, right? We're throwing the ball down the field every play.
Here's the home runs. Here's the play actions.
We're playing this way until the season's over. I'm in.
And we score every time we touch it in the second half and end up winning that game get the touchdown in green bay at halftime we get the touchdown the super bowl at halftime it's just the way we played and he embraced it it was great yeah yeah is there has there ever been a time when you've had uh you've you've had to hold yourself back and be like i can't take as many deep shots because i know that you are in love with the deep ball it's it's your favorite play you love you love bombing it deep you select your quarter deep. You select your quarterbacks based on who can throw the ball downfield.
Has there been a time where you've had to hold yourself back and be like, I need to change the way that I coach and we can't take shots downfield? No, because every shot we take downfield is a smart shot. There's a short pass in it.
There's an intermediate pass in it. But if we got the matchup downtown for the 30-yarder or the touchdown,

don't pass it up for that short one.

Yeah.

All right?

But you got to be smart about it.

And all the guys that I've had, that's really the no-risk-it-no-biscuit part, okay,

is to read it out.

Know when it's time to throw it up there.

And we threw a lot of balls down the field, but they were a lot of times in five-step drops not seven-step drops yeah hey like going through your career it's it's so incredible how many hall of famers you were around and one guy who's going to be in the hall of fame mike evans we don't we we're on this podcast we're big on like hey people need to talk about mike evans more because he is getting into that rarefied air of receiver. Obviously, he's hurt right now.
But what is it about Mike Evans? Like he's just every year, it's 1,000 yards. It's insane.
Yeah, my man is so consistent. He's a great worker.
Fantastic human being. He's been the Walter Payton man of the year for the Bucs two or three times and uh what he does in the community way out shines what he does on the field yeah he's just he's that good but he is such a unique big man you know he's six five uh his weight is down but he can drop his hips and he can get in and out of breaks and can make that that long man catch You know, as a quarterback, when you're throwing it to a 5'7 guy who's circle,

might be a big, and you're throwing it to a guy that's 6'6", that's easy for a quarterback, man. You know, and especially when we can drop it over his shoulder or put it up high on the back shoulder, he can make all those catches.
Yeah. Yeah.
And we were talking before we started taping here about you recommended a book to me, Best Assistant Coach Ever by Tom Moore. Legendary, legendary assistant coach.
You were an assistant coach for almost all your career until the end, and then you finally got your shot. First as interim with the Colts, the Cardinals, and then obviously the Bucs.
But you were one of the best assistant coaches in the NFL, I feel like, for decades. Is there a quality? because we talk about backup quarterbacks and what their job is and how they might have a different role than a starting quarterback, but you can be a great backup quarterback.
With a great assistant coach, what makes the difference between a guy that can stick around for 10, 12 years being a great assistant and a guy that's just viewing that job as a transaction transaction to get to the next level. Yeah, I think Coach Bryant gave me a great advice way, way back.
You know, you get a job, you want a better job, you work your ass off at this job to get a better job. Until you get that job you're looking for, then you work your ass twice as hard to keep it you know and uh for me i didn't really think

i'd ever be a head coach you know after super bowl 43 steelers offensive coordinator we go down the field two minute drive and win a game i didn't get one phone call that's crazy all right every other offensive coordinator for the steelers got a dead coaching job after that and so i said it's not in, you know, it took Chuck getting sick, which is a shame, that I got a chance, and I never, ever allowed myself to be called the head coach. Chuck was always the head coach.
And what that team did, if you put that team on paper, you'd say they win two games. Rookie quarterback, two rookie tight ends, rookie receivers, rookie running back, rookie left tackle, all right, and guys coming off the street playing defense.
And they win 11 because they had a cause, and that cause was Chuck. Yeah.
And we rallied. We never said one, two, three, win.
It was always you know and uh so i always thought if you gave professional athletes a real cause to play for sky's the limit yeah so why why weren't you getting calls until that point i don't know i did all the interviews i maybe a little too outspoken was that it you know like when you would do an interview would you would you always hit a moment where you you say you speak your mind you're like oh shit that probably went bad i never had one but i would have okay yeah yeah yeah i mean i did i did the nfl films i mean the nfl network thing they do for prospective head coaches yeah basically i'm not going to tell you what you want to hear i'm gonna tell you the truth right you know the truth sometimes but you're going to get the truth every time that was your problem that's what happened with the Bears I was sitting in a room waiting to get a call I thought I had the job I did too I think there were a couple different things that were involved in that one was there a fake press conference involved is that what they wanted to do we did a whole press conference there was like 20 or 30 of their people out there and uh you know i had gotten sick the week of the baltimore game with vertigo out of nowhere i think it was the stress of the season tell you truth because i've never had it since and guy kept harping on it i said man i'm fucking fine yeah i'm good you know so it's like uh had a long meeting with jayler that day and I had a real long meeting with Rod Marinelli and you know Rod they kept saying Rod was staying and I said no Todd Bowles is going to be the defensive coordinator and I think that was the deciding factor yeah and Rod told me I'm not staying yeah you know so yeah that's and it's some organizations don't they're just kind of getting their own way with those type of things where it's like yeah they had that had that defense for a long time wouldn't stay with it yeah and uh yeah and they just don't they can't line things up correctly so uh i i want to go back your your relationship with with bear bryant how did you get alabama to come to temple because alabama played a game at temple yeah when you were the coach that's crazy alabama doesn't go to temple yeah so what what happened to get that to happen and did we like we're fans did fans show up uh we had about 38 000 30 000 alabama fans okay and our normal 8,000 Temple fans, you know. And it was the opener.
And, boy, they were good, too. I mean, Bill Curry was the head coach, I believe, then.
But, yeah, it was, you know, when I took the job, I talked to the assistant athletic director and said, look, we'll come down there twice. You should come to us once.
And this was right before Coach passed away. He said, let's do it.
And so it was a big moment because we had scheduled Nebraska, Tennessee. I tried to copy everything that Miami did with Howard Schnellenberger, being an inner city school, try to get the local talent and go play the best and get on television.
And it kind of worked for us. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's just so funny thinking of Alabama playing at Temple. All that houndstooth in Philadelphia showing up for a road trip.
Yeah, it's just a wild thing. That'd be a good one.
And then I think a lot of people might not realize this, but I think you're still the all-time leading touchdown score for quarterbacks at Virginia Tech. Is that right? Yeah, you can win a lot of money with that, Ben.
You got a lot of money. I think everybody would say.
I think you would go Michael Vick, Marcus Vick, maybe Logan Thomas. Tyrod Taylor.
Tyrod Taylor. Jim Drucker-Miller.
Yeah, but it's Bruce Arians, and people forget about that. So how did you realize that you wanted to get into coaching after – you were a pretty accomplished college quarterback.
I was a good scout team quarterback. Don Strzok was accomplished.
You talk about backup quarterbacks. My man is probably the best it's ever been.
Backed on up for a couple years, and then we switched coaches and went to the wishbone. It kind of found my offense you know we were dan henning passing team and leading the nation in passing and coach sharp came in from alabama and we put in the wishbone um i had actually was going to graduate and applied for two junior high jobs i didn't get either one or i'd have never gone back That's crazy.
Yeah, and then met the new coach. We hit it off, and he really jump-started my career.
Yeah. He started me in coaching.
He got me to Alabama with Coach Bryant his last two years. And Jimmy Sharp, I owe everything to Jimmy Sharp.
Yeah. One of the greatest coaches I've ever known.
What was the maddest that Peyton Manning ever was at you? Would he get mad at you? No. No.
Peyton was as even-keeled as a player. Yeah.
If he was going to get mad, it's because I didn't have enough film. I didn't have meeting time ready for him.
If we had 45 minutes, I'd have to get two hours worth. Yeah.
Now, the other two poor son-bitches couldn't take notes that fast. You know, poor Kelly.
Kelly Holcomb's like, man, I can't write that damn fast. Peyton just, he's writing everything down.
You know, he had books and books of notes. But, yeah, I had a lot of fun doing the Manning cast last year, and Eli said, do you rather be introduced as Super Bowl 55 winning head coach or the quarterback coach who led Peyton Manning to 28 interceptions this rookie year? I said, I'm going to take those 28, man, because I saw us get better, and they all got erased, and we went 13-3 the next year.
That Peyton Manning season screws up everyone else because they always point to it, and they're like, well, Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions. He's like, but he's Peyton Manning.ning and you said it I mean like you got better every single week.
I think 18 to 20 were in the first eight to ten games yeah and then as we went through the division again they were disappearing yeah and it's like yeah we're three and 13 but man it's fun to go to practice every day because we saw ourselves getting better every single week you know. Yeah in today's NFL I feel like if goes up there, I mean, hell, we've seen a couple guys that in their first couple seasons, you just say, okay, I can't do it with this guy.
He makes too many mistakes. There was too many turnovers.
But 28 interceptions in a rookie season, if that happened now, I feel like people would be calling for him to be benched before he even got to 28. He'd be benched after 15.
Yeah. They don't give him the chance to learn.
So how did you buy time how did you how did you convince people like hey peyton's on the right track he's he's going to work through this the talent's there we just got to give him some time to work it out give all the credit to the two leaders we had two of the best leaders of in all of football bill poley and a general manager and jim moyer's head coach you know and they don't it doesn't get any better than those two and they were a great pair

together uh so it's just this is who we are this is what we're going to do and and the fans were coming you know that it wasn't like the fans were like booing us or getting us out they saw us getting better and better and and the hope the hope was already there yeah and uh and it came to fruition like that the next year yeah is there any quarterback i guess i'm thinking in particular of Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson,

two guys that their teams have kind of said okay i we can't win with these guys right now we need to be able to compete with the backups um do you see anything from those players that would make you as an offensive coach say i there might be something there well i saw bryce win a national championship with with maybe better players than he's playing with now yeah you know uh when you look at the receivers he had at alabama yeah you know he can do it he's shown he can do it uh in the right system um his stature scared me because when you start doing comparables which which I did for 27 years, I'd always break

down all the quarterbacks.

And, you know, I wouldn't say he's like this guy, but his measurables were like this guy. All right.
There weren't any Bryces. There weren't any Johnny Manziels at that size and stature that made it in the NFL.
Doug Flutie took years in Canada to get there. Yeah.
You know, so Anthony, I think the Colts got caught up in what happened with Jalen Hurts in Philly. They hire Shane.
They're going to copy that. But Anthony's stats didn't match.
Right. His ability doesn't make a quarterback.
You've got to win two-minute third down. I don't give a shit how fast you run, how high you jump.
Cam, in his young years, he could win two-minute third down until he got all broken up from running, and his arm was gone. But if you can't show me that you can do that in college, to me, you're not a quarterback.
You're an athlete, and athletes play in college. Yeah.
And they spread the field, and they just tear people up. Yeah.
But he didn't exactly tear people up in college. Yeah.
You know, it was just combine superstar. Yeah.
Like, when he was in college, you saw a lot of the same things that you see in the NFL where it's like this guy, he's got all the tools. He's got the flashes.
Right, but it's not the consistency. It's like mental process.
He has the arm strength. He has the leg speed.
But that's not how you play quarterback. Yeah.
The two muscles you play quarterback with are your heart and your brain. I like that.
I like that a lot. So do you think like the Colts, what do you think the future is? Because in terms of like benching a guy after he started eight games or something like that, that's got to be a confidence thing now where you're taking that away and like can you go back to him? Are you giving up on him? How does that work? I don't think you can give up.
You've got too much invested already. It's just a matter of let's get to the playoffs this year and let's continue to grow him you know maybe he can learn some more give him some snaps in

practice maybe give him a package to play in a game uh but you gotta ride with joe right now

to get you to the playoffs yeah if you get in the playoffs all bets are off man you can win

the super bowl yeah anything can happen you know i've been six seeded two different places went on

the road and won them all and got the ring so anything can happen you just got to get there

and

Thank you. man you can win a super bowl yeah anything can happen you know i've been six seeded two different places went on the road and won them all and got the ring so anything can happen you just got to get there yeah and joe gives them probably the best chance to get there right now and that's going to save the locker room because players all want to go to the playoffs yeah yeah uh so i asked about peyton what about ben was he ever was there ever a moment where he was really pissed at you oh a bunch yeah what would he get mad about? The way I was cussing out the receivers.
Man, you ever talk to me like that? I said, why would I talk to you like that? These are the receivers, man. You're the quarterback.
Yeah. All right.
So when I first took over as coordinator, we'd play golf, and we'd have that conversation. Like, hey, man, you're going to yell at me like you yelled at those guys? I said, don't make me.
I don't think you're going to make me. And so we've always had a great – he always loves telling the story.
I'd always chew out the backup quarterback for the starter. Like Drew Stanton, he can tell the stories.
Charlie Batch, Byron Lefkowitz. And I had my hand on the button, not knowingly, to Ben.
I was like, Charlie, what the fuck is he fuck is he thinking man can you get his ass straight okay ben here's what we're gonna do buddy he loves telling that story he's like really you got your hand on the button dude i can hear you andrew luck tells the exact same story so so you would do it through the backup oh you rip the backup quarterback's ass all the time yeah no one like you got a filter filter built in it's like Drew Stanton finally went, I got it, man. I got it.
I got him. To play backup quarterback for Bruce Arians, you have to be able to translate Bruce Arians to the starting quarterback.
Totally. And have like a cool demeanor to it.
Yeah, Blaine Gabbert, Drew Stanton, Charlie Badge, Byron Lipp, those are all those kind of guys, man. Yeah, so I know that when Tom was up in New England, he got famously kind of tired of being rubbed the wrong way by the coaching staff or treated differently by the coaching staff up there.
When Tom came down to Tampa, did you have to treat him differently from the other players because he's Tom Brady and he's got all the Super Bowl rings already? Or did you make a point to say, I'm going to cuss him out in the meetings just like I cuss everybody else out? Yeah, I mean, he knew me. He'd already done his homework.
He talked to Ben. He talked to Peyton.
And they're good friends. And so it's like, Tommy, this is how we do it.
All right? Tell me how you see the game. You know, without spring that year, it was so hard to get a feel for how he saw the game.
You know, we couldn't have those meetings and go through the game film and the practice film and see it. We were on such a crash course of how I saw the game, which was totally different than the way he saw the game.
And as we're going along through the season, we start seeing it the same way. And Byron Lefkowitz did an unbelievable job with our offense that year, being the middleman.
Yeah. Yeah, so was there a game or a moment that you were like, oh, this is now – we're now lockstep.
We got this. Yeah, it was halftime.
It was a Falcons game. I think we're 7-5.
We got to have it. We're down 17 zip.
That was it. Bro, we're cutting it loose from here on out.
Yeah. You know, no more checkdowns, check downs baby we're going down to we got to score every time we touch it and and that's kind of way we played it all the way through the super bowl yeah i know that you have a deep uh hatred for prevent defense it's bad defense and i i want to i want to give you permission to maybe educate us maybe talk to us uh maybe over our heads a little bit but get it as detailed as you want on why you hate prevent defense so much.
Well, first of all, it's normally zone, and a really good quarterback will pick zone apart. And if you're only rushing three, all right, I don't care how many zones you think you have covered.
He's got the answers. Right.
He's got the answer to that test yeah if if if the great quarterbacks know what you're doing you're done you know um we go back to pittsburgh cleveland we talked earlier we got 17 point lead in the playoffs kelly holcomb is playing lights out and we decided to play prevent defense from the middle of the third quarter on and blow a 17-point lead to Tommy Maddox, who will light you apart without a pass rush. And they came back and beat us.
And I've always – no risk and no biscuit for me goes to defense too. When I was the head coach at Temple, game got tight.
I only knew one call. All out blitz cover zero.
Go sick them. And I'd get on them.
No, Coach, I don't give a shit. If we go down, we're going down with the guns blazing, baby.
And that's how we play. So for you, it's more about the overall philosophy, the overall mentality.
Yeah, I mean, I looked at Detroit, blitz the Hail Mary the other day, sack them. Yeah.
All right. It was a great play.
Still had a bunch of guys back there. But go ahead and get the pressure on them.
And I see Chicago and Washington do the exact opposite and give them a chance at that damn play, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
The ultimate – yeah, I mean, even the play before that. Yes.
The ultimate prevent defense. You go ahead, you take these 14 yards.
Yeah. Have at it.
Yeah, you're just preventing yourself from winning. That's all it is.
You're giving them a chance. Yeah.
So back to the Anthony Richardson-Brice Young thing, there's been a big discussion, especially this week, that the NFL is now failing quarterbacks and guys are not getting enough time and that maybe the college game has affected guys' development. Do you see that at all? Or is it just – there's some guys that can now play until their late 30s, and there's only 32 spots.
And guess what? It's a really, really hard thing to break into. Totally.
Sports science has changed it. Guys are playing 40, 45 years old, and there's no drop-off because of the sports science we have now.
But I think more guys are coming out of college as passers than ever before because of high school seven-on-sevens and seven-on-sevens around the AAU and everything that we have in the passing game from 10th grade on. So the passers are there.
Now, are we developing them mentally? All right. To to read a whole defense or just is it half field shit and one to run too much run to run.
Yeah. You know, because they're putting the best athletes back there.
Yeah. And so it's like one to take off.
Well, that does win in college. I'm not against that, but yeah, it doesn't necessarily win in the NFL.
Yeah've got to win from the pocket. It's saying like, oh, yeah, Lamar Jackson is a one-of-one unicorn, and he can beat you with his arm too.
Lamar can spin it coming out of college. Right.
It was a little bit raw, but when I look at him and Michael Vick, I thought he spun it more accurately than Mike did coming out. Now, Mike got better.
Lamar's there now. Yeah.
Andk has done a great job with that offense. And his development of a pocket passer is just pick your poison, man.
You're going to let him throw those zone plays or you're going to bump out there and let him take off up the middle. Because he's going to gain more up the middle than you let him throw that little screen pass out there.
And it's just hard. You can't replicate Lamar Jackson.
That's the other thing. No, and now if you rock the coverage, they do so many good things offensively, but now you've got a number one player back there.
You know, they've got a number one pick back there that they didn't used to have. Yeah, yeah.
I'm thinking about what's going on in San Francisco a lot because Brock Purdy kind of came out of nowhere, Mr. Irrelevant.
We all watched him in college. Seemed like a different player, honestly, since he's gotten to the NFL.
He's improved quite a bit. But they're going to have to make a decision out there on how much you're going to pay Brock Purdy.
And to me, I think if you take away the fact of him being drafted so late, if you just look at how he's played since he's been in the NFL, I think that you have to treat the guy like he's a top-ten quarterback. You have to pay him big dollars, and those Brock Purdy's don't necessarily grow on trees.
But from your eye, while you're watching him play, what is it about Brock that makes him stand out from every other quarterback that might not have – maybe they've got the same kind of generic-type measurables come out of college, but there's something different about Brock that lets him excel at the NFL level. I think he's always had what I call grit.
Yeah. He's a winner, and he won at Iowa State.
Not surrounded by great talent, but good, you know, Bright's Hall and some of those guys. But so when he gets in the right system, which he's in the perfect perfect system for him and I don't think he's a system quarterback but not necessarily could he play in other offenses that push it way down the field he's in the perfect thing with Kyle who's going to run the ball well have play action keep it between the numbers is he a 300 million dollar quarterback i can't answer that one because then it takes away some of the other pieces yeah and it does seem like he's uh he's the perfect quarterback for that system and the system is perfect for a quarterback just like him so it's almost like they need each other at the same level it's a great marriage now how much do you have to ransom the farm to keep the guys around him yeah yeah are the guys around him as helping him as much be good or is he good on his own right yeah is there any quarterback in the league right now that you look at and you're like i would like to coach that guy oh there's probably 10 Yeah, I mean, this young group that has come out in the last five or six years, I would have loved to have coached.
You know, I love Baker. I mean, he's my kind of guy too.
But Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, you can go on and on. Lamar, I mean, your imagination can go run wild when you have a guy that can do a couple things.
He can beat you from the pocket, but he's also lethal running a ball. If you put him in harm's way too much, harm's coming.
So you've got to be very, very measurable on how much harm's the way you put him in. Yeah.
We have Stephen Shea, diehard B in the booth i think you've met him uh you know steven steven i told steven to come in here because i i was like hey if you have a couple questions for uh coach and i'm sure he does so steven go ahead you're this is uh your super bowl winning head coach right here yeah thank you for the sweatshirt i'm rocking the super bowl 55 championship merch there you go baby of course um so you're involved in as the head coach obviously you're involved a lot in the draft and you fall in love with certain guys 2020 draft you know they just brought in tom brady you're building up the team great draft tristan wirfs anton wonderful guys that have been paid at the top of their position but there are guys that you fall in love with too i know you wanted antonio gibson in the third round what do you do when when your guy and he got taken i think like 10 picks before we were on the clock and we're ended up picking a running back what happens when your guy gets taken off how do you pivot personally uh i always get pissed i walk out of the room you know uh come back in with with you know a couple picks on our pick and we've got five guys guys usually there every time that they've slotted that are going to be around that pick. You never draft for a need, but if above those five is a need, that trumps everything.
And Jason Light and John Spitek, those guys do an unbelievable job. Yeah, I did want Antonio because I thought he was the next David Johnson.

And David was a unique guy because he played receiver before he was a running back.

And you could do things out of the backfield with him

and get great matchups.

And I thought Antonio Gibson did the same thing at Memphis,

could get matchups on safeties and linebackers that would be uncoverable. So those guys are so hard to find.
Washington took him, and I still love – I don't think Jason's missed a draft since I've been a part of it. Yeah.
He's a great guy too. Yeah, and Devin White was no bust.
Devin just. Steven Che cried when you guys drafted Devin White.
Did not cry. He was upset.
He was like, a linebacker at five? He cried. He literally cried.
But, I mean, credit to Jason and the stuff. They pulled out the NFL's leading sacker off the, you know, got him for $4 million, Shaq Barrett.
Shaq, yeah. You mentioned door number two earlier with the 2020 free agent class.
Operation Shoeless Joe Jackson was the pursuit of getting Tom Brady. Wait, it had like a CIA name to it? Oh, yeah.
Did you have like dossiers and folders? Why Shoeless Joe Jackson? Drop briefcases off in a park? It was from Field of Dreams. If you build it, they will come.
If you build up the team, then of course Tom Brady is going to make the logical decision to come to a good team. So how long did you have Operation Shoeless Joe Jackson in place? Did you make decisions a year before Tom Brady that we're going to build Tom Brady's dream team? Oh, no.
No, we're building our own dream team. And we thought Jameis was the guy.
And not ever thinking Tom would ever become a free agent. And if you think that year, I think Phillip Rivers was a free agent.
Tom was a free agent. Somebody else who had a— Teddy Bridgewater.
Teddy. We're all available.
And it's like, hmm, will we stick with Jameis? Yeah. Tom.
Tom Bridgewater. No.
Yeah. You know, and that was a hard decision.
But, I mean, but Tom had done his homework. He knew as much about us as we knew about him for sure.
Okay, so go ahead. Keep going.
What was plan B? Like if Tom didn't come, was there a world where Jameis gets basic and they run it back? Jameis was our guy, yeah. We knew we were going to make him better.
You know, we could improve on the 33 touchdowns easily, and we had to improve on the 30 interceptions.

We could just cut them in half, especially the early ones.

We were going to build the defense.

Yeah, we felt like we could win with it.

Did you get upset at all when you found out that he got LASIK

after he left the team?

Good question.

No, but I loved his comment. He said, I didn't know Bruce was – I thought he was black.
Yeah. SQ smooth, right? That's it.
That's awesome. That's a good question.
Steve, you got another one? I got one final one. Okay.
You – I don't know if you're the originator of it, but kind of the CEO coaching style where you're the coach. You put a ton on your coordinators.
Now we see a lot of very hot in the streets coordinators get hired and sometimes they get a little bit underwater. What do you think the biggest mistake current owners are having and GMs and hiring coaches and what the importance of that head guy is? Yeah, I think if they're hiring a coordinator to be a coordinator, that's a mistake.
You're not hiring the guy to be the head coach. Now, if he continues to be the coordinator, it's okay.
Now, if he hasn't been the coordinator and you're hiring to be the head coach and the coordinator, you're asking him to do two jobs he's never done. That's a lot.
I don't see those guys being as successful. I always called the plays until Byron was ready.
Then I handed it all over to Byron. And coming back to Tampa, coming back in to coaching, the Glazer family wanted me to call the plays I'm like look I got a guy he's ready more than ready I'm gonna be right there next to him we'll be good and and they and they they went along with it which was great and it's just a cry in shame Byron's not calling plays for somebody right now because he's he's the best I've ever been around and uh but But at that time, there were only three guys calling plays as head coaches.
You know, Andy's always done it. I always did it.
John Gruden did it. McVay might do it.
Sean's doing it. Sean was kind of the young guy to start doing it.
Kyle doesn't know. Yeah.
But that young group of guys is starting to do it. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know how you do it when you're trying to coach a whole football team and you also got to call the next play.
That was one of the things I'd gotten from Arizona, you know, and this goes even back to Temple. John Devlin, he's my assistant head coach at Temple, and we're walking off the field, and he said, Coach, can we ever end practice where the defense wins? I went, what do you mean? He said, we practice an extra half an hour today just until the offense won.
It's like every day. I was like, oh, shit, yeah, you're right.
And I was a play calling, offensive coordinator, head coach, and we weren't leaving the field until the offense won. And part of that went on in Arizona a little bit.

And I'm like catching myself.

And I had Tom Moore and Tom Pratt on my staff.

Tom Moore, great book out right now.

One of the best reads I've ever had.

And Tom Pratt coached in Super Bowl I.

He coached Buck Buchanan and Curly Culp.

Every night they would come up to the suite.

We'd have cocktails and go over what they thought, what they saw, how they felt we were doing, and I leaned on them. And I had learned that word delegate, which was really hard.
I was 30 years old at Temple as a head coach. I did everything.
And I went in the hospital three times a week by the fifth year yeah and it's like i never learned how to delegate right and when chuck got sick didn't have time to do anything but just do your damn job guys i'll decide if we go for it on the fourth down and i'll give a shitty speech on saturday night yeah you know that's it yeah if you delegate to the right people yeah and then everybody everybody did their job. Right.
And everybody had their hand in it, and it was like, Chuck's the head coach. Nesk, you do your thing.
And we went 11 games with that team. I got two last questions for you, Coach, and appreciate it.
This has been awesome to talk to you again. First of all, the first time we spoke, it was right as your book came out, and the story about you drinking paint as a child to make your bones stronger just come out we made a song about it yeah uh have you ever gotten the urge have you ever walked down like the aisle in uh sherwin williams or home depot and took a look at some of maybe the uh the light green mint chocolate chip colored that was one of the ones i had yeah it delicious-looking color of paint.
And looked at it and thought to yourself, maybe I'll just – what harm could one more sip do? No, no. I think part of this thing up here is that lead that was in that paint.
Yeah. It got you a little crazy.
That no-risket, no-biscuit stuff. It might have came from that paint.
It was high lead, baby. You push the limits of no-risket, no-biscuit when you're drinking paint.
And then the other thing, since you've coached so many great quarterbacks over the years, if you were to break them down by brain, heart, guts, arms, legs, how would you build the ultimate Frankenstein, Bruce Arians quarterback? Yeah, very fortunate when with obviously Peyton and Tom and Ben Carson Andrew Timmy Couch um Kelly Holcomb uh the guys that I had if I was going to build all of them into one one guy yeah it'd be Andrew Luck oh so it's just all Andrew Luck yeah that because that because he had everything that they all had you know he had a photographic memory he was his athletic stuff was off the charts same as cam newton's his his recall uh was like ben and tom his preparation was like ben and tom and ben tom and payton um if there was one guy in a big game i'm taking Ben because I've been in a big game with Ben. I never had a chance to get into the big game with Andrew.
But, yeah, they're all great. I mean, now they're all pissed because I didn't pick one of them.
I like your answer, though. That was an ultimate zigzag saying it's just Andrew Luck.
He was that good at everything. Yeah.
He was amazing. He took maybe the worst roster I've ever seen and won 11 games.
Yeah. And seven of them in the last minute, two minutes.
Damn. Yeah.
All right. Well, Coach, I have one last question.
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And that's my last question. How is the golf game? What's the handicap? I'm back to a six.
Oh. Damn.
Yeah, I've shot my age three times now. Okay.
And actually shot at 72 the day before my birthday, but I'm counting it. Yeah.
Yeah. I asked somebody, an old doctor friend of mine said, this reason whenever your your mother was pregnant it counts all the way back to then so i said 71 twice and 72 once now oh wow so that's pretty good that's that's crazy so you're you're doing everything out there you got to be able to do you got to be able to drive got to be able to have a nice approach game and good yeah i mean when i tore my achilles that last year coaching it ruined my golf game i mean i couldn't hit it 160 yards and i almost quit and then just like i never had it fixed because it's not it's non-fixable and it's like i either trust it or quit playing so i started pushing off of it and start playing hitting it a lot further and uh this year i found a little more speed somehow and so i'm hitting my driver pretty solid.
Wait, so you still have a torn Achilles? Yeah, I've got like 6% strand. Oh my God.
I didn't know that that was possible. You said that they couldn't fix it? No, it had to be a cadaver.
Mine's rotten. Wait, so does it hurt? It'll get a sore every now and then, but no, if I go down steps, I can't catch myself.
Yeah. That's pretty spot.
Holy shit.

Just walking around.

That whole season, I was in these orthotic high heels after, like, game five.

I actually tore it running in the pool.

I never felt it, anything.

It just swelled up.

And I think it was a burn spurt that cut it up.

But they said it's so bad it happened to a cadaver.

I said, that's eight months in a boot.

You don't know my wife.

She ain't driving me for eight months.

Yeah.

You know her.

That ain't happening, bro.

Yeah, that's not happening.

Well, that's an incredible golf game and very gritty, torn Achilles just going around.

Well, Coach, thank you as always.

Always great to have you going around. Oh, man, thank you guys, bro.

You're the best.

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I'll start. I hate Mondays.
Yeah. Get it? I get it.
You remember that one Garfield where John drank OD drank od's come what yeah they they went to like a vet and uh john had od and they had a nurse and he was like there was a cup of coffee that was like on the table and he drank a sip of it and he's like don't mind if i do and the nurse was like that's sir it's cat that's od's come or dog's come it, yeah. Dog cum.
By the way, for the people who are listening to the podcast, not watching the podcast, we are all dressed in our Halloween costumes. That's why I started with I Hate Mondays.
I'm dressed as Garfield. You are Miley Cyrus? I'm Miley Cyrus.
Hank, you are... Shaggy Dew.
Shaggy Dew. We got Marty McFly.
We got Mario. We got...

What are you, Max?

I would be Frank Cushman from the film Jerry Maguire,

the lead of that movie, actually.

Oh, the lead?

The lead.

I thought the lead was Tom Cruise.

No, that would be Jerry O'Connell, actually.

Oh.

From Kangaroo Jack.

From Kangaroo Jack.

Oh, he's the guy that used to be an actor.

Yes.

Okay.

Used to be.

Correct. But he's the lead in this movie, an actor.
Yes. Used to be.
Correct.

But he's the lead in this movie, and I am Frank Cushman.

Got it.

Bing bong.

And then memes.

Memes is the Stay Puff guy.

Stay Puff man.

I don't think memes can hear right now.

Or he's the Michelin man.

He's Stay Puff.

I can't see all the way back there.

Yeah, I'm the thing from Ghostbusters, and I can't see all the way back there. Yeah, I'm the thing from Ghostbusters,

and I can't see fucking shit.

All right, Firefest.

Hank.

My Firefest is I am addicted to TikTok shop.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't realize the rabbit hole that you could go down

and obviously the algorithm that it feeds you once you get something. But I saw after like I finally did the purge of all my clothes and I got rid of probably 70%.
And so I've been in the process of buying new stuff and I saw some sweatpants. They were like 10 cents.
What? You bought 10 cents sweatpants? You bought 10 cents sweatpants on TikTok? They were legitimately like a dollar. i ordered like five pairs are they good they're not that they gotta be trash they're not that bad you get what you pay for hey i would prefer to spend way more than 10 if i do i saw the sweatpants i was like oh these are nice i look into them then i clicked in it was like they're so cheap that i had no choice but to at least see that's crazy what's different about these sweatpants? They're pretty normal sweatpants.
Like, they're not... They don't...
Like, obviously, they're super cheap. It's not the highest quality, but they're pretty solid.
So, yeah, the whole marketing is, like, these are the cheapest sweatpants you can possibly buy. So cheap that you're basically like, why should...
It's only $10, so why not? Yeah, what's the catch? That's the catch. That's the catch.
That's the catch. They're going to suck.
And now they just feed... Like,'m just getting oh i have that on instagram i'm just i get fed every single like thing i've ever bought in a different variation and just keep rebuying it over and over they're good hey zuckerberg elon whoever the fuck china china you're good you're good darius rucker you're good you're good the algorithms down pat you're good uh miley what's your firefest of the week uh my firefest i'm trying to make sure my nipples don't slip out so it doesn't mess up the youtube uh so quick which one which oh yeah i do have four i think these two at the bottom might be covered by the desk uh i get just quick update on the card situation.
Oh. from Wednesday.
The guy who's going to be cool. He's been cool about it so far.
There's been no more charges on my card since I told him, you be cool, I'll be cool about it. But I had a bunch of people online reach out to me yesterday and tell me that I may have accidentally given that guy permission and ruined any chance that I would have of recouping any fraudulent spending.
Like their lawyers, if they heard that podcast, they would be like, well, technically this bank doesn't need to refund PFT because he gave permission. No, that's not true.
Those people, whoever hits you up is wrong because you specifically said be cool. Yeah, I think.
So if he goes and buys's not cool not cool not right and that's against the law if you go out to a bar and you get like 50 worth of beers that's cool right you go to hooters very cool cool like you can do that um but the guy has not done anything not cool yet so i think that it might have done more uh no oh it's been it's been quiet so i think it's probably gonna be is there a chance you just ordered it pizza hut in georgia in georgia i don't it wouldn't be i mean you order from my shop yeah you order from everywhere i accidentally had had uber eats to deliver to an unknown apartment in georgia uh so but i might i might have signed away my rights in terms of recouping any money that he spends if there's like a big purchase. No, because that's not cool.
Is there a way that I can limit my credit card, like limit to $50 a day? I don't know. Because if I did that, then I would make sure that he was being cool.
Yeah, you would have a restriction on his coolness. He'd be really cool.
My other Fyre Fest of the week is just that the election's coming up and everybody's pissed off and everything sucks. And next Tuesday is going to suck.
And then next Wednesday's definitely going to suck, no matter who wins. Yeah, and there's going to be just weeks of suck.
Everyone's going to be shitty. It's probably going to suck for another couple months.
Might suck for another four years, just in general, of people being pissed off about stuff. I'm so ready for it to be over.
Yeah, me too. Everyone's just on edge, and it's just like, just chill out, man.
All the commercials on TV, those suck. Everything sucks.
Give us back the commercials. Everything.
That's why I'm so very much looking forward to games like Falcons, Cowboys. Yes.
It's a brief window into not sucking. Ohio State, Penn State, Hank.
Going to be a good game. Max, do you have a prediction on that game? I don't know.
Big noon kickoff has ruined college football, though. I don't like big noon kickoff.
I agree. I agree.
I agree. Why is that game at 11 a.m.? You have to ease yourself into the day.
It's too good of a game that early. Agreed.
They got to bring the whiteout energy. Why don't they just do a whiteout? Imagine that at night.
Because they can't do it at night. What do you mean? Fox won't let them play at night.
No. Why don't they just do a whiteout during the day? That doesn't work.
Why not? You never tried it. You never tried it.
Can't do it. Not with that attitude.
You don't think the white would pop? You could do a stripe out. They do stripe outs too.
Stripe outs aren't the same. What's a stripe out? Is that each section? Each section.
One wears white. One wears blue.
Michigan was that last year. The stripe out, that would be a good time to do it.
I do like college football Saturday around Halloween because it's just a lot of drunk kids just dressed up. Yeah.
Like sad fans in Halloween costumes are the best. I don't really have a fire fest.
My fire fest, I guess, is just that Halloween is one of my favorite holidays when you have little kids, but not really shocking. I told my son and daughter last night, I was like, hey, it's Halloween tomorrow.
Let's try to stay in our rooms till mommy and daddy wake up. But there's no such thing as Santa Claus for Halloween.
5.45. They're ready to get in their costumes.
You can't scare them with the Santa Claus will give you good toys. Yeah, you can't even say I'm going to cancel Halloween because that's such a lie.
Halloween is the best. But yeah, just watching my kids go to school and I dropped off my son.
He was dressed as Mario. It's fucking best.
He was so pumped to put on the Mario. He didn't want to put on the mustache because he didn't want the sticky tape to go out during the day.
So we're saving it for trick-or-treating. But he was just so pumped.
Did you guys watch the movie? Is that movie age kids appropriate? Yeah, we watched the movie. Is it good? It is good.
It is very good. We watched the movie a bunch.
That's why we did it. And then I dressed as Bowser.
We put on our Halloween costumes last night as a little, you know, on Wednesday night as a little warm up. And I dressed as Bowser and chased him around.
So I was chasing Mario, Toad, Princess Peach around. It was good.
It was fun. What are you looking for? I'm just trying to see if I'm wrong.
I feel like your Garfield is way more yellow than it should be. Yeah, you got a problem with Garfield.
I thought you were Bowser when you walked in. Why have such an issue with Garfield? No, it's not an issue.
I'm just... I was thinking of...
I hate Mondays in Hank. You think of Heathcliff.
He's the super orange cat. Sound off in the comments.
I could be wrong. I'm not hating.
I just. You're saying.
You're looking at him. You're like Pika.
Pika field. What would you like him to be? Oranger.
Oranger? More orange? I'm licking my hands. Look at.
Look at. Look at Kush.
You. By the way, Max.
I'm not trying to. I'm happy we all dressed up.
Halloween's a fun holiday.

Anyone who shits on Halloween's an idiot.

But Jerry bodied you in the costume off.

Bodied.

Like, he did.

He was Max two times.

He was Phillies Max and Eagles Max.

He did.

You're just one of the coolest characters that he played.

Although, he wasn't that cool.

No.

Cush was kind of a dick.

Are we surfing or are we skiing? I like Cush. You just look like a tour manager for Spinal Tap.
No, but I got a hat that says Team Cushman on it. I do see that, yeah.
You see the hat? When you were complaining about having to do arts and crafts, all you had to do was write Team Cushman. I know.
It was hard, though. The S's are so hard to do block letters.
Really? Yes. Just do the Power S.
I know. I thought about doing the Power S.
The Power S rocks. How is that a thing? Do we know who the first person was? It's awesome.
I love the boys. I mean, Shane looks awesome.
Pug, you look great. Pug, can you do it? It's me, Mario.
It's me, Mario. Mario.
All right. Good show, boys.
Hope everyone has a great weekend. And we'll see you on Monday.
Oh, I thought we had an applause track there for a second. No, Mims is deflating himself.
Numbers. Also, Max released the PMT documentary two days early.
Oh, yeah. We'll say it at the beginning of the show, too.
But, yeah. The PMT documentary.
There's going to be four episodes. First one, Friday.
So, check it out. And we're going to have...
I think it's the first one is just us, the beginning of PMT. Max, why'd you do that? Second one, Kush.
I don't know. I fucked up.
Fucked up. Right in the middle of a World Series game.
People love the button. Right in the middle of a world series game people love the button right in the middle of a world like one of the best world series games uh so yeah friday or today uh episode one episode two will be all bvt yeah so that will be in a couple weeks so we'll do a better job of promoing it because we are bad at that really bad uh okay numbers three five.
Three. Five.
I actually, I gotta give memes three because I already said numbers. I said it.
Whoa. Marty McFly.
Shane is Marty McFly. It's the best costume here.
He looks cool. What was the number memes was guessing when I was guessing three? 17.
Okay, great. 17.
Three for the third win.

I thought you guys lost.

Marty McFly?

I'm back.

Okay. Everyone say their numbers again.

19.

Five.

11.

17.

99, Mario.

21.

I can't see shit. oh

56 oh i thought that was 99 56 sorry mario Sorry Mario Thank you. Thank you.