Jon Gruden, Week 8 Picks And Preview, Commanders vs Bears, Rams Are Back + Fyre Fest of The Week

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We're also going to do our Week 8 preview picks. Every single game we're going to talk about.
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Today is Friday, October 25th, and the Los Angeles Rams could potentially be back but we also uh hit on the trend finally the Vikings playing off a game against the Lions go against any team that just played the Lions the Rams win 20 30 sorry 30 to 20 because we had the most face mask that's ever face masked to end the game the most face mask that's ever face masked yeah it was a ridiculous face mask it was right in front of the ref too yeah and it was it was a very bizarre way to end the game so much so that the guy that grabbed sam donald by the face mask immediately put his hands on his head yeah in the oh fuck i can't believe i just did that what a dumb boneheaded play move that is that's the that's international sign language for bonehead yeah i'm a bonehead he was just waiting for the call to happen. It just never happened.
It never happened. This is why there was a rule in the UFL that there was such a thing as a super challenge, which is a cool name.
You know what a super challenge is? No, it sounds awesome. It is.
It's very awesome. You can challenge anything you want, and coaches get to do it once a game.
So you can be like, go look at this, even if it's not technically, quote, a reviewable call, and a ref can go over to a screen, look at it, and be like, yeah, that's a fucking face mask. Yeah.
Easy call. The super challenge fixes that.
Super challenge would have fixed this. So, yeah, I mean, I think the Rams probably would have won anyway, but it still sucked just because it was directly in the line of sight of the of the ref he was maybe two feet away from a face mask that every single person knew was he literally got tackled by his face mask yeah uh but now we have the rams kind of looking frisky at three and four with puka and cooper cup back did the rams just become buyers i mean they the all week we heard that the rams were maybe shopping Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup back.
Did the Rams just become buyers? I mean, all week we heard that the Rams were maybe shopping Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup. Now they win this game.
They've won two games in a row. They've got guys healthy.
They look competent. I don't know.
Well, the crazy part leading into this game was there were floating rumors out there about Matt Stafford being traded for Sam Darnold. Yeah.
Which would have been insane if that had happened i was as a fan of chaos i was hoping that that would happen before the game because that we'll never see that again yeah um and honestly i think that the rams would win that trade i i think the rams uh no i don't think the rams would win that trade it'd be very funny though if you almost got me it you don't think like sam darl sam darl's good he's good stafford's really good matthew stafford's also pretty old that's true sam darnell's pretty young but the vikings are trying to win right now it would have been it would have been very i don't know trading matthew stafford to a different team and think he's going to win a super bowl i don't know if that's going to happen well and also the vikings have jj mccarthy so you're like hey we'll have matthew stafford for two years jj mccarthy back him up it would have been very funny though to trade Matthew Stafford to another team he wins a Super Bowl there and then the Rams have a good quarterback that they can build with again yes again uh but yeah the Rams I don't know man they next week they play at the Seahawks that will be a massive massive game because as crazy as the Rams or as bad as the Rams start to the season looked and they had so many injuries, they're three and four right now. And the Cardinals are three and four and the Niners are three and four.
And the Seahawks are at the top of the NFC West at four and three. Like, I don't know.
I, they're my pinky team. I, they're at the Seahawks dolphins at home and then at the Patriots, they could, that's a That could be 2-1.
That could be 3-0. Like, that's – I don't know.
They just look different. When you have those two guys out there, Puka was everywhere tonight.
I feel like Cooper Cup didn't even really get going. Of course, he made – we were sitting there watching the game, and they were trying to salt the game away, and it was run, run.
And then I said out loud in the gambling game, gambling cave i'm like this is just gonna be a perfect pass that's ridiculous to cooper cup somewhere on the field and that's exactly what happened and right after that pass i don't know if you saw this but matthew stafford gave him a point and it looked to me like matthew stafford was saying that was awesome i got you buddy almost like that's our last one that we're gonna have to get oh that's what that's what it looked like that's you're That's what you're reading the body language? It was like, me and you, we did it again. But why would they sell? What a ride.
I mean, I guess you've got to see what happens next week with the Seahawks game, but why would they? They're in it. Yeah, now they're in it.
They're tied for second right now in the NFC West. They're definitely in it.
They are right in the thick of it. And yeah, with those three games coming up, they could be six and four.
Yeah. And as for the Vikings.
Also, maybe it's good that they got injured early. Yeah.
They get healthy like the Ravens used to do. You get banged up and then you get all your guys back.
And I mean, Stafford is still incredible. I mean, he missed that one throw to Tutu at well, but then he just followed up with a dime to Marcus Robinson.
He had four touchdowns tonight. He's just he's still got it.
As good as the Vikings receivers are, I think that the Rams, their receivers are that good in terms of how fun their names are to say. Yeah.
Puka Nakua, Cooper Cup, Tutu Atwell. Even to Marcus Robinson, because Marcus Robinson would be a very like, eh, that's a normal, but he threw on a D in front.
Yep. As for the Vikings, 5-0 to 5-2.

Not a panic, but especially because they have the Colts

and the Jaguars coming up.

Feels like those are get-right games for them.

And the Titans.

Oh, wow.

They play the Colts, Jaguars, and Titans.

They play the best parts of the AFC South to play.

That's pretty crazy.

Yeah.

So it's not a panic.

It's just you played the Lions last week, and then you're slotted to lose after that. The only panic is that their tackles hurt.
Yeah. So Darisaw went out.
I think it was a knee injury. It didn't look good.
No, it did not. And it also was in those situations where you don't want to second guess, but you're on your own five-yard line with 30 seconds left in the half.
Yeah. Maybe just kneel it out.
I know that you can never be like hindsight's 20-20 there, obviously. I think we should completely flip to being hindsight guys.
Yeah. Todd Bowles is an idiot.
That was egregious by Kevin O'Connell to not kneel the ball. Him and Todd Bowles should be banished to the fifth circle of hell.
Yeah. We're just always right.
Yeah. Like, everybody knew he take it that knee i never would have done that no uh also justin jefferson just continues to be the most ridiculous receiver ever because that catching me along the sidelines was i don't i still you said it exactly what we all were thinking it's like i wish the i wish the rams had challenged just so we could watch it more yeah yeah, yeah.
Sean McVay, come on, do us all a favor.

We would have been able to see that replay probably four more times on TV.

Yeah.

In real time.

Also, credit to the Vikings for getting their asses up to the line.

Yeah.

Because I feel like McVay would have challenged it.

Yeah.

But that was the fastest I've ever seen a team get up to the line

and snap the next ball.

Yeah.

But that was a ridiculous catch.

Jefferson had a million catches, no matter if you had one guy on him or if you were double teaming him he just gets open yeah he's just always he is always open yeah and he's always open wearing that sick ass chain that he's got that's probably worth like a million dollars yeah and he brings it on the field i yeah i mean i think the one thing yeah the the injury obviously the offensive line but the vikings couldn't run the ball tonight that was kind of their like of them. Yeah.
They just couldn't get a consistent run going.

It felt like all night, and they kind of need that.

And we did find out the answer.

The Vikings, I guess we found it out last week, too.

No, yeah, we found it out last week, too,

but they got to play from ahead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Play for ahead.

All right.

Anything else before we get into our Week 8 picks and preview?

I got one thing. Hank, are you going to go undefeated as the celtics you're thinking that 74 and 8 74 and 8 is what you're calling it anything from banner night are the celtics good or did they just play the wizards i mean two games two blows for the starters having to play in the fourth quarter basically anything from banner night because obviously we taped early on tuesday.
Banner Night was a dream. So you were asleep? No, it was a lot of fun.
Tears were shed. Very emotional.
You cried? I shed a tear. I love that.
All the other players, I think Tatum and... All the other guys on the team? Well, they were crying.
It's like you see other people crying. You're like, damn, that's're like damn that's awesome yeah you're like damn i gotta go back to work tomorrow yeah uh so that's it did you get to see coach uh no i was across we didn't really uh cross pass you lock eyes no he didn't he didn't see me not even eyes not even eyes uh did dave get a good pop when he was on the Jumbotron? Dave did get a good pop.
There was some fake news out there. I heard different on TikTok.
Yeah, they said he was boom. They definitely didn't boom.
They showed Kai Sanat, who's like a biggest Twitch streamer, and it was like kind of a, and I guess he's a Knicks fan, but it was like real life versus internet life. Like no one even reacted, and they showed Dave right after, and everyone and everyone started cheering I'm gonna say that I don't believe that woman who made one TikTok was like we booed Dave Portnoy in Boston it's Boston yeah I don't think that's that happened they're saying pizza review alright so what was your one other thing PFTA there's a new study came out.
I don't know if you saw this on The Athletic.

Okay.

A nutrition study in the NFL.

Okay.

They did a survey to find out which teams ate the most Uncrustables.

Oh, yeah.

I did see this. Because every team, apparently the NFL goes through at least 80,000 Uncrustables per year.

That's incredible.

Giving them to teams.

Which, I mean, Uncrustable, it is the perfect snack.

We might be up there.

Yeah.

Our office goes through, we go through, like, how many are in a box? I think eight. No, but we get the big boxes.
The big ones. I don't know how many are in that one.
I still think it's eight. They'll be opened and then, like, on fresh Uncrustable Day, and they're gone in an hour.
We should see. All right, so what was the record? For a while, I probably, I think, two a day for lunch.
It's just the perfect snack. Yeah, yeah.
It's awesome. So what was the record i i probably i think two a day for lunch it's just the perfect snack yeah awesome what so what was the record all right so they teams eat 80 000 in total per year and then they broke it down weekly by the teams that eat the most and the teams that eat the least uh team that eats the least amount of uncrustables new orleans saints oh wow that checks out yep team that eats the most and by the way the saints Saints eat 50 Uncrustables a week.
So that's not even one per person. Yeah, that's lightweight.
That's the ramifications of being Cap Hell. Okay.
And then the team that eats the most, the Denver Broncos. Okay.
They eat 700 Uncrustables a week. And how many weeks? Is it the whole season? 700 per week.
For the season or the year i don't know they eat i think for the season okay you know what i'm saying not 52 weeks but right because i think the facility's probably shut down at times but 700 a week is a lot and maybe that's why they're playing so well i'm i'm asking that because i kind of want to see if we can we can break the record i think that we go through go through. The only thing that's stopping us is that we just run out of them.
Yeah, that's true. If I was like, we will never run out of Uncrustables, how many Uncrustables do you think this office would eat a week? I personally would put away, I'd say, 20 a week.
Okay. I mean, there's like, what, 70? I could do 20.
There's 70 people here. I think we could easily put away like 400, 500 a week.
So that would put us in second place in the NFL. That's how much the Denver Broncos love Uncrustables.
Second place is the Seahawks, and they're down at 320. All right, so next week, starting on Monday, I will make sure that we do not run out of Uncrustables at all for the week, and we'll keep track.
Yeah. yeah for this office i'll send out an email i'd like it's my i'm we're doing a study eat as many uncrustables as you want we will not run out and we'll just see where we land i i predict we're gonna be in the like thousand range no joke i actually do it's it's because i i go look for them and the only reason i don't eat them is because they're not there.
Like, we'll run out all the time. Yeah, but when they're there, and I'm in the kitchen, I'm about to order lunch, and I'm like, fuck, I'm just going to have two Uncrustables.
All right. So, yeah.
That will be my promise to this office next week, starting Monday. We're going to do just Uncrustable week where it's like, eat as many as you want.
Don't feel bad. Don't force yourself to eat them.
Don't take any home. Although they probably take some home.
You think so? They probably take some in the car ride. You think Bo Nix is like putting them in his backpack? Yeah, for sure.
They do love white corners. That's what the bread is.
Do you think? Well, no corners. But it's white.
Yeah. White edges.
Yeah. Do you think that maybe that's what Sean Payton fell in love with when Bo Nix opened up his backpack? That's what's full of Uncrustables.
You ever seen Pulp Fiction with a briefcase? Yeah. That's Bo Nix's backpack.
Yeah. It was just filled with Uncrustables.
He probably takes them home. Payton, I can imagine Payton is a guy that during football season, he doesn't eat any actual meals.
Yeah. He just snacks.
He just eats Uncrustables all day. Do you have to refrigerate Uncrustables or we just do that uh you probably should definitely have to and i also i've already texted our office manager and said we're gonna need all of the uncrustable yeah i mean i'll go to costco i'll just buy myself i'll get a i'll bring the boo i i think it's gonna be easily a thousand uncrustables oh i'm excited for but but we need to make it clear that like this is not don't don't try to gorge yourself yeah eat eat what just if you are hungry and you're like what am i gonna eat and there's an uncrustable there eat the uncrustable but don't be like i have to try to break a record and i actually think you could lose weight eating uncrustables i agree i agree peanut butter's got tons of protein in it yep um bread is the biggest part of the food pyramid which is really really healthy and scientific do you know what we need to get because here's the other thing grape holding us down vegetables probably is i think part of it is that our refrigerators in the kitchen not big enough they're not big enough and they're also like you gotta you gotta you you have to like look underneath we need to get an uncrustable refrigerator that's just sitting on top of the counter that's just stacked with uncrustables.
Yeah. Or you just get rid of Hank's pinball machine and just make that the uncrustable.
Oh, yeah. That's not a bad idea.
That's a good call. I'm looking at my pinball machine.
I was hoping that the weather was going to be a little bit colder next week because we could just leave them outside. Yeah, but no.
No, what we'll do is we'll just take them out of the box and we'll just be like, this is the Uncrustable fridge. And it just has only Uncrustables in it.
And just eat as many as you want. We're going for records.
They had a great quote from the inventor of the Uncrustable. His name's Len Kretschmann.
Okay. He said, we're not recreating the atomic bomb here.
We're trying to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Love it.
Fucking nailed it. Love it.
That guy knows his product. He did it.
He did it. All right, let's get to our week eight picks and preview, and then we have an incredible interview with John Gruden.
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I think it's 8-5. We don't have international games either.
Right. So I think it's 8 early, 5 late, which it's going to be a chaotic day.
You're going to have to lock in. You're going to have to make sure you get some sleep on Saturday night.
8-5 is a lot. But we've got some great games, and we're going to get through our week eight picks and preview.
Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles going to the Cincinnati Bengals. We mentioned this on Monday's show, but it's a very weird scheduling quirk that both these teams played the Browns and the Giants as their last two opponents.
Yeah. And the Eagles are now going to Cincinnati.
The Bengals, I believe, are still in must-win territory. They have to win everything.
They're in must-win season. Must-win season.
Fun, weird stat by the Eagles. The Eagles have not scored a single point in the first quarter this season.
Yeah, they don't get off to good starts. I got a fun fact.
Maybe the fun fact of the week for this game. Okay.
Two out of the last four times these two teams have played each other, they've tied. Tied.
Donovan McNabb tied. Yeah, that's one of them where he didn't know that the game could end in a tie.
This is big tie energy this week. Yeah, I would agree with that.
What are the odds if you bet a tie? Usually pretty high.

10-1, 15-1.

But this one should probably be

like 2-1 on

DraftKings because it's got big tie energy.

They also, Cincinnati hasn't won at

home this year. That's crazy.

We also have Joe Burrow.

We talk about Lamar Jackson versus the NFC.

Joe Burrow, sneaky putting together a nice resume

against the NFC. So in his last 11 games against the NFC.
Joe Burrow sneaky putting together a nice resume against the NFC.

So in his last 11 games against the NFC, he's 10-1 straight up.

Pretty nice.

That's pretty good, yeah.

He's 10-1 straight up in his last 11 games versus the NFC.

I have a question for you, Max.

First, let's vibe check.

Must win?

Three-way money line is a draw.

That's a tie, right?

Yeah.

60-1.

60-1? Plus 6,000. Oh.
Wait. Yeah.
Yeah. Plus 6,000.
Yeah, 61. Okay.
I was way off. Yeah, that's the best value on the board.
I think halftime tie is usually 10 to 1. Oh, that's what it is.
Okay, that's what I was thinking about. And overtime is a different one too, right? Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. Max, general vibe check.
You know, we beat the Giants, so I'm a little bit more excited than I was the week before, but it's still the Giants. If we win this one, though, I'm all the way back.
Okay. If we win this one, I'm thinking Soupy.
And you got, oh, we're back in Soupy. I love that.
But if we lose this. Max, did you hear that? Hank just laughed at you.
I know he doesn't think that. Hank, the Eagles are a good team.
Why are you laughing at him? Because he doesn't think that. Yeah, he doesn't think that.
He's just trying to, he's trying to boast himself up. That was fake.
That was fake as fuck. Yeah.
Yeah, no, that was fake. You're not thinking Soupy.
No, I still have my doubts with this team last week they looked really good if they looked really good again this week i could see myself getting excited but right now i'm still not like excited for this team which is kind of like they're foreign to coming off a big win they beat they've beaten they beat the Packers everyone says is a Super Bowl contender. I should be more optimistic, but I'm not.
And I kind of feel like that's the way that most of Philadelphia feels about this team. And if they lose to the Bengals, it's right back to fire Sirianni, I think, and the Philly fans.
If they beat the Bengals, I think most fans will be like, all right, maybe this Sirianni guys figuring it out. Yeah, maybe this is actually going to work out this week.
Yeah, I mean, that's just kind of how. It's a week-to-week league.
It's a week-to-week league. Your game-to-game status in terms of confidence in the Eagles.
Yeah. Well, you've won back-to-back games, which is good.
That's the first step. Correct.
Against the Browns and the Giants. It's been a long time since you guys have done that.
Same with the Bengals. Yeah, so, so um i mean it could be worse it could be the cardinals and well i guess we'll get to them later and it's you know how long it's been now since the cardinals have

won back-to-back games forever it's now three years damn yeah it's been three years so as long

as we think that it is for the eagles it was november and that feels like an eternity yeah

no it's not good but it could be good but it could be good it could be good yeah so it's not

I'm sorry. And that feels like an eternity.
Yeah. No, it's not good.
But it could be good. But it could be good.
It could be good. It could be good.
So it's not good, but it could be good. It could be really bad.
Yeah. That's high-level analysis.
I have a question for you, Max. I saw an insane stat on X from Brendan Deague.
He said, Lane Johnson's only offensive tackle in the league with a minimum of 100 pass blocking snaps to allow less than five pressures this season. Of all the offensive tackles who've had 100 pass blocking snaps, he's the only one to allow less than five pressures this season.
He's only allowed one single pressure. It got me thinking, is Lane Johnson on the Mount Rushmore of eagles for sure because you won a super bowl so who's on the mount rushmore of eagles westbrook no we had this discussion yesterday reggie white reggie white for sure kelsey brian dawkins yeah to not to mcnab freddie mitchell mcnab maybe but lane johnson deserves more credit for being Brian Dawkins.
Yeah. T.O.
Not T.O. McNabb.
Freddie Mitchell.

McNabb, maybe.

But Lane Johnson deserves more credit for being maybe the best right tackle of all time.

He's the best right tackle in football right now.

What?

Kelsey.

Kelsey.

Kelsey, maybe. If I had to pick, I would say Reggie White, Brian Dawkins, Lane Johnson, Jason Kelsey.

Okay.

If I were able to pick my guys. Would that be the only franchise that wouldn't have a single quarterback on there? I mean, I probably would put Nick Foles ahead of Donovan McNabb.
You look like that little meme, baby. Yeah.
You don't think McBann's in there? No.

Okay. I mean, it would be like Buckus, Walter Payton, Erlacher, Dicka.
I mean, Gale Sayers. There's no quarterbacks.
We've had some decent quarterbacks, but I just like the other guys. Those other guys are just legends.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I was just thinking about it.
Like, that stat is insane that there's been no offensive tackle in the league that has

left. Those other guys are just legends.
Yeah. Yeah.
I was just thinking about it. That stat is insane that there's been no offensive tackle in the league that has allowed less than five pressures, and he's only allowed one.
He has just been so consistently incredible at his job for such a long time now that I think it's because he plays right tackle and not left tackle that people don't give him credit. But he is, I mean, he's a Hall of Famer and he is just, it's crazy.

Like the job of an offensive lineman, if you're a peak great offensive lineman,

the job is that you just never talk about them.

But we should talk more about Lane Johnson because he is so great.

And he's so instrumental in determining whether or not you guys win.

Yeah.

That's the thing about it.

Like his win-loss record is incredible.

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it could have been yoshi could have been i like yoshi yoshi's a beast if yoshi's name wasn't yoshi would would would we be having this probably not i'll be honest but he was born in japan that's kind of cool the thing is we probably wouldn't be having this conversation but we should be having this conversation if his name wasn't yoshi yeah here's the he's playing really well. And you will know like he's had a couple games.
He has Yoshi games where he just has two touchdowns. You're like, God damn it.
I can deal with Jamar Chase beating me but Yoshi beating me. Yeah, no.
The Eagles are going to have to score a lot of points in this game, I think. And probably hold them to less points.
Yeah, but I think they're also going to score a lot of points. So if we are able to figure out a way that we can score more points than them, then I think that we're in a pretty good spot.
So just limiting how many points they do score. And maximizing it as much as we can.
Yeah. How do you plan on doing that? Wanting it more.
Yep. A.J.
Brown. I guess just when in doubt, just throw a deep ball to aj brown and just pound

the rock with saquon okay last question for you how much does uh joel and bead being investigated

affect the eagles um this that means nothing what do you mean that's an investigation the

sixers are being and you you said this to me the sixers are being investigated joel and bead's

being investigated the sixers on the sixers the Embiid's being investigated. The Sixers.
Is he on the Sixers?

The Sixers management is being investigated.

About Joe Embiid.

About Joe Embiid.

He's going to have to be deposed.

Because they are trying to stop load management in the NBA,

and the Sixers are just saying, fuck it, we'll pay the fine.

We're still going to do load management.

I love that the first game of the season for you guys, it's like investigation. Joel Embiid is missing a game.
There must be something weird going on. The NBA is obsessed with the Sixers.
Because Joel Embiid doesn't miss games. Where is your heart? Where is my heart? Where is the Sixers' heart? Where is the Sixers' heart? Is it in New Jersey? Is it in Philadelphia?

I'm confused by that. Is there heart in the game?

How would you like me to answer this question?

Like they just want to pay the fines.

How about you just have some heart and play the games?

It's true.

We're trying to be healthy for the postseason this year.

What about the kids though, Max?

What about the kids that spent their hard-earned allowance money

to go see their favorite player Joel Embiid play on opening night?

What about just resting during the offseason like most professionals they wanted to represent his country

he wanted to represent his country of the u.s of a i just think it's interesting pancakes america

that's fine i mean that was two weeks it's a long off season they did they make the play they had a

long off season well they lose the first round u.s of a baby i'd like to say something that's

Thank you. I mean, that was two weeks.
It's a long offseason. Did they make the play? They had a long offseason.
Did they lose the first round? US of A, baby. I'd like to say something that's going to probably end up on the bonk list, but I just want to say it because it's ended up in my algorithm, which X.
Hat tip to X. X.com.
The everything. It's fucking crazy.
I'm curious how we're going to a bonk from here. Well, because I thought of load management, and then there this woman.
Yeah. So it's not me.
That's just horny. Everyone's gotten in their algorithm.
There's this woman who everyone's trying to shame online because she like basically did a video where it's like, hey, remember me? I'm the one who just did a video where I had like 23 dudes run train on me. I'm actually going to up it and I'm going to do a hundred.
So if you want to run train on me, I'm doing a hundred guys in a day. And I just wanted to say hat tip to that woman for, for, you know, raising the bar.
I've not seen this. You guys have seen it.
How many, how many replies? Yeah. She's just like, Hey guys, it's me.
The 23, whatever it was, however many, she's like, if you want to be part of the next one, I'm doing 100 dudes in a day. Do you remember that? It's like reach for the stars.
Do you remember that? I took down like 40 students and 40 young men, and now I'm going to take down the dads. Yeah.
Do you remember that one woman during the World Cup a few years ago that said she'll suck off everybody that replies to this tweet if England wins theland wins the world cup yeah okay so i'm seeing her right now i went viral for letting 23 guys run a train on me next feat 100 men in a row yeah and everyone's shaming her it's like what we can't just be ambitious anymore are we just stopping ambition in this world it's sad uh yeah find it find it man oh the first reply tiffany gomas oh what'd? She said, what in the entire, and I can't emphasize this enough, fuck. And then a gross face.
Come on. Let's not slut shame here.
No. She's just up in the game.
I'll tell you what. If Joel Embiid had half the heart of this woman, he'd be a champion.
That's a fact. That's a fact.
This is a great Eagles Bengals preview that's just a fact let's talk about this girl who's getting fucked and how it relates to Joel Embiid yes and which which then relates to the Eagles it is yeah it's literally load management yeah where is she putting all this sperm that's what I said yeah that's why it popped in my head but either way I just I yeah maybe have maybe Joel Embiid needs to take a page out of this woman's book and just think about hey I'm going to keep pushing the limit even for Joel Embiid complains about playing back to backs complains about going mile high yeah go ahead play the video it's PG the explanation is PG I went viral for letting 23 guys run a train on me with my friend Bonnie I didn't expect her to look like this honestly if you want to check that out you know where to go but if you want to be part of the next one I'm actually doing 100 guys in one day so head on over to my Twitter to find out how to apply. Putting your hard hat on, going to work.

I appreciate that.

That's a woman that's making 100 guys days better.

Joe Embiid, take notes, bro.

When you say going viral for having 20 guys fuck me,

I instantly just think STD.

Yeah, I don't know if I thought STD.

I just was like, whoa, that's a lot.

The viral part. I think you just assumed, yeah.
The viral part is what did it for me. Okay, so that was Bengals-Eagles.
Ravens-Browns. We have 16 games to get through, or 15 games to get through.
Speaking of load management, Deshaun Watson's not playing this weekend. Deshaun Watson's not playing.
Jameis is in. I'm so excited.
This is a PSA to everyone out there. You do not know how many Jameis starts we'll get for the rest of our lives, so you embrace the ones that we do have.
I am – listen, the vibes couldn't be better. I have no idea.
I'm just speaking on knowing Jameis and not knowing Deshaun Watson, thankfully. But that locker room has to be so pumped to feel like they have a chance because Jameis is going to take a chance.
Yeah, and also just you mentioned the vibes. Like Deshaun Watson, all-time bad vibes this year.
All-time. He never smiled.
They never had any fun on the field. With Jameis, you're going to be having fun.
It's going to be crazy. You don't know what to expect.
I don't know what it's like to root for a team where Jameis is the quarterback of that team but I think that he is the best player in the in the NFL to be playing for a different team that you don't root for because he makes any game that much more exciting yes and I had a thought about Jimmy Haslam earlier I he is like probably the worst owner in the NFL right now it's like him and Tepper fighting for the crown is there any chance that the NFL steps in and makes Jimmy Haslam sell the team? He should sell that team. He should sell the franchise.
And I'm not saying that because of Deshaun Watson and all his legal investigations and all that. That sucked.
But we know that the NFL will turn a blind eye to pretty much anything that a player does. And it won't punish an owner for employing a shitty like human being yeah right that's pretty common in the nfl the one thing that owners do not like is when you fuck with their money right and jimmy haslam giving to sean that guaranteed contract pissed everybody off yes in the nfl like dan snyder was a world-class scumbag they didn't do shit about it until they thought he was withholding money them.
And then they're like, oh, now all of a sudden we care about all this other stuff off the field. I think that there's a chance.
I'm not saying it's a high chance, but there is a chance that the other owners turn on Haslam because of what he did with the contract. Yeah.
And set that precedent. And I hope for Cleveland fans that they get to experience that.
He should sell the team as just a fan of the sport yeah he's fucked everything up in that town uh so i'm rooting for the owners to like turn on him and and to kick him out and to get somebody else in there that will actually take care of though think about how hard it was to get dan snyder out yeah but it's when you fuck with their money that's when they start caring i know but they just rich guys just like rich guys. And if he has friends that are other rich guys, I don't know.
I mean, I agree with you, but I just... It's harder than...
But you know what we could do? Have you guys seen... This is the new...
Remember, it used to be the Bucs won the NFC North slash Central more recently than the Lions until the Lions... Wait, the Lions won it lions win it last year yeah the lions won last year uh that was always the meme the browns i think it's the jaguars the titans and the oilers have all won it more recently than the browns the oilers the afc north slash central because it was the central and then the north yeah it's bad it's been so start memeing that yeah start memeing that all the time put some put some pressure on this haslam guy get him out of there yeah we got to put some pressure the good of the league and we've got uh ken dorsey taking over play calling this week ken dorsey i guess he just vibes better with jamis yeah i think i think brown's gonna be live in this game i mean the the ravens are a wagon the ravens have have looked really uh unstoppable their.
Their defense is still not the best, and Marlon Humphrey I think is out for at least a couple weeks. But, yeah, I think the Browns are going to get like – it's almost like a one interim head coach bump.
They're going to get a quarterback bump here. By the way, I have a couple stats for you.
First one is Derrick henry ranks this season he's first in rushing first in rushing yards first in rush tds first in yards per rush first in rush first downs first and longest rush first in scrimmage yards first in scrimmage tds still very very good that's pretty crazy yeah he's first in everything also mark andrewss scoring two touchdowns on Monday night became the all-time leader in reception touchdowns for the Ravens, which I was like, damn, that's kind of sad that a tight end with 43 touchdown receptions is the all-time receiver in franchise history.

And then kind of similar to the quarterback conversation we just had with the Bears, I was like, let me look this up.

And it was very sad.

It's very bad.

And the Giants, too.

the in like franchise history and then kind of similar to the quarterback conversation we just had with the bears i was like let me look this up and it was it was very sad it's very bad and the giants too the giants imani tumor so who did who did he pass did he pass yeah yeah no todd heap yeah he would be the the next guy up if you look at what the ravens have done with their wide receivers for the last like 15 years they've just been committed to not ever having a good wide receiver yeah trey flowers he's he is very good he is very good zay flowers i'm sorry yeah the uh and then the last 15 years, they've just been committed to not ever having a good wide receiver. Trey Flowers, he is very good.
He is very good. Zay Flowers.
And then the last that I had, this is a reminder. Who's going to be in charge of reminders now? I have the reminder in the...
Oh, no. Never mind.
I will. What was that? I have the reminder in today for the Hammer the Rams.
Oh, okay. Are we hammering the Rams? So you're the reminder guy? Are you the reminder guy? I will be.
Okay, so it sounds like you're the reminder guy. Lamar Jackson in eight career games on Monday Night Football is 22 touchdowns, zero interceptions, 1,700 passing yards, 681 rushing yards.
22 touchdowns, zero interceptions. They play Monday Night Football November 25th at the Chargers.
Reminder. The Harbaugh Bowl.
Just take all the overs for Lamar. Everything.
That's a pretty insane stat. Yeah.
22 touchdowns, zero interceptions on Monday Night Football. Yeah.
I'm just excited about Jameis. I'm so pumped.
So pumped for Jameis. Since 2013, this will be the 64th game played by a backup quarterback for the Browns.
The most in the NFL over that span by over 15 games. That's crazy.
It's insane. Those poor fans.
Insane. I feel like Browns fans are going to be excited again.
Yeah. For at least a game.
Yeah, for at least a game. You're going to get drunk and be happy before the game as opposed to just getting drunk and feeling like you're walking on the green mile to your execution going to the stadium.
miles garrett gonna get traded i don't know i don't know i feel like garrett and crosby are the two names last night probably should last night uh we i went to the out of order show because i was uh emceeing it and uh a guy sitting next to me just was like hey big cat have you heard anything about Miles Garrett to the Packers? And my heart dropped for a second.

That'd be tough.

Yeah.

It'd be also very mean to trade him this close to Halloween because he's probably got his lawn set up with everything and he's gone all out.

He's going to have to take those decorations down.

The trade deadline I think is next week, though.

Yeah.

I think it might be on Halloween or it might be the day before.

I thought it was on Election Day.

Oh, is it?

Yeah.

I think trade deadline might be on Election Day. NFL trade deadlinefl trade deadline oh yeah you're right november 5th 4 p.m eastern okay so yeah trade them after halloween oh in the past it was october 31st yeah last thing about the ravens as good as they've been and they've been incredible keaton mitchell just started returning to practice remember Yeah.
So that adds another weapon for that offense that has just been rolling over people. Yeah.
Marlon Humphrey. He had, didn't he have two picks? He had two picks and then hurt himself.
I thought that Marlon Humphrey, like in every off season, I assume that he's retired just because of his Twitter account. He tweets like, excuse me, X.com.
He X's like a retired guy.

He's like promoting Ethereum and like all this weird shit.

He's out of pocket on Twitter.

And I absolutely love the guy.

But he's the guy that psychs me out.

And I'm like, wait, did he retire or not?

Yeah.

What do you got, Hank?

You had something?

Oh.

What did you have, Max?

Did you lean in?

Okay.

I read that wrong.

All right.

Titans at Lions.

I'm going to fucking do it again. I'm going to bet the Titans.
You're addicted. I didn't last week.
I didn't last week. Did you think that they got better by getting rid of Hopkins? No, I saw a stat.
Well, no, I think it's just neutral. Yeah? I think DeAndre Hopkins is going to be good for the Chiefs, but it was just neutral.
That's like the classic Titans move too, isn't it? They love old wide receivers. They love old wide receivers that were very, very good for other teams.
So if you look at their history, they've signed at the end of their careers, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, DeAndre Hopkins, Decker. T.O.? I don't think he played for the Titans, but it fits that vibe, right? T.O.
definitely played for the Titans in my brain. Randy Moss played for the Titans.
I said Randy Moss, yeah. Eric Moulds, they love getting old wide receivers that don't do shit for them.
They never, never learn their lesson. You know what? Let me be the first to report.
Amari Cooper will play for the Titans at some point at the end of his career. Yeah, but that's like 10 years from now.
He's still sneaky, kind of young. Yeah, I don't...
All right, so here's the case, and I don't know if I'm actually going to do it, but here's just at least the case. The Lions, for the first time in franchise history, are now the odds-on favorites to win the NFC.
The Lions are also... This is the first time that they are a double-digit favorite under Dan Campbell.
They just came off a very emotional two weeks where they killed the Cowboys, beat the Vikings in a back-and-forth shootout. They are now number one in the NFC North.
They can beat the Titans with their hand behind their back. I'm not saying that the Lions are going to lose this game.
I'm just saying 11.5 is a lot of points because they pay those guys too. Titans run defense is pretty good, and that's kind of where – and then I just fall off a cliff because then if you ask me, name one other nice thing about the Titans, I'm like, can't.
I can name one. Adam Schefter is very close to their general manager because he's starting to just gas up their transactions online.
So he's credit to them for i guess they've traded a linebacker and some draft picks and ended up with more draft picks and a better linebacker so he's like look between the read between the lines this is how you build a team right now so i guess they might have started tanking this might be if you're a titans fan oh they definitely have i think brian think Brian Callahan said our roster's going to be picked over.

Yeah, so they're going to build for the future.

I do agree with you that it is a lot of points.

It's just a letdown spot of letdown spots, and again, I think the Lions will win the game.

I just don't know.

If they start a little slow, who knows?

11.5 points.

This is stupid.

I'm going to do it, and I'm going to hate myself for doing it

because the Lions are going to be up 14-0, and then we'll just be like okay now that's over it feels like tim patrick season right yeah tim patrick alan robinson yeah uh so jamison williams suspended but also was at practice yeah they're they're letting the rope down for him is what dan campbell said he's gonna pull back up yeah he lost he lost grip of the rope. He had worked his way back up, but we're going to wait here

and that rope's going to be waiting for him. Yeah.

So I don't know if he's playing or not because I think

then there was an idea that he was

appealing. I don't think that he was

appealing. But he was at practice.

I think he's going to start

his suspension this week, I think.

Although, you made a good point

that if he really wants to return fast,

the two games would be the ones Thursday night.

Is there anything about an appeal, Max?

Okay, so they're prepared to not have him.

It feels like the suspension was announced, and then it was by ESPN,

but then the NFL didn't announce it, and the whole thing was kind of weird.

I think he's going to sit out this week. All right, I'm going to assume he's going to be out.
All right, next up, Cardinals-Dolphins. Tua is back, we think.
Tyreek Hill said that he wanted to cry. He said he looked great, felt like old times.
Me and him connected on a few deep shots today, and that kind of got me feeling good today. I missed that.
I missed him. I told him I got to take him and his wife to dinner because i missed him so much shit was so beautiful that shit almost made me cry today like just having him in the lineup having him call the plays having him direct the offense like just hearing his voice again we'll say it seems like a really nice guy but that's the tim boyle effect well yeah tim boyle's making grown men cry yeah it feels like it's uh back to having like a semblance of an actual offense right now.
Yeah. Which I'm happy for Dolphins fans that you get to watch maybe a more entertaining game.
It's going to feel weird seeing two out there, though. Every time he gets sacked, I'm going to be like, every time he tucks and runs with the ball, I'm going to be like, be careful, Tua, be careful, Tua.
Yeah. It's because we've seen all of his concussions have come in standalone games.
Yeah, so he be good knock on wood for this game yeah because it's all eyes aren't on him right no no i i i like the dolphins in this game i think uh short week for the cardinals cross country you mentioned it cardinals haven't won back-to-back games so they haven't won two weeks in a row in three years they did win technically back-to-back games in like november of that season but there was a bye week in between. So like two weeks in a row in three years.
They did win technically back-to-back games in November of that season, but there was a bye week in between. Oh, that's a cow.
So two weeks in a row. It's been November 24, 2021.
That's crazy. So Dolphins would be, if we're going on history here, that would be a smart pick.
Also, did you notice on Monday Night Football, they had Kyler run the tush push twice in a row. Is he the worst quarterback to do a tush push with? Because their play caller was defending that.
He's like, we like that play. We're going to keep running it.
It didn't work either time. Yeah, he probably is.
Bryce Young. Yeah, Bryce Young.
Bryce Young would just get – I think he would – there's a chance if he did the tush push, the refs would come and do the pile, and he'd just be dust underneath. He just crumples into his shoes like when an anvil drops on a cartoon character.
He's in the ground. And then he starts standing up and makes the accordion sound.
Yeah. Yeah, they could have Marvin Harrison Jr.
just pick up Kyler and throw him over the line of scrimmage. That would be sick.
That would be the better play to run. Yeah.
I like the Dolphins in this game, though. My friends at Sports Info Solutions, they solutions they have the dolphins as the second uh best in terms of uh pass blocking the cardinals are are 25th in terms of d line and they got injuries so i think the dolphins gonna be back i think this is the week we're gonna be like dolphins back so you remember when they scored 70 points against the broncos yes last year Last year? Yes.
Okay, so the Dolphins now have 70 points through their first six games. Six games, 70 points.
Last year they did that in one game. Tim Boyle.
Tim Boyle effect. Tim Boyle effect.
Okay, next game. Wait, I lost my notes.
I got it. Jets and Patriots.
Memes, I'll start with you. Which story do you want to start with? Aaron Rodgers getting another injury added to him in his body or Aaron Rodgers eating his own boogers? We'll go injury.
Okay, so Aaron Rodgers has a hamstring injury that has been added to his ankle and knee injuries. I'm going to say it.
He might you think he's injury prone i think he might be getting old pft every injuries happen he's not that old okay he's pretty old he he literally added a hamstring injury to his ankle and knee injury yeah he might be old but would you have the same leg have all those injuries or have them like sprinkled around like right hamstring left ankle right knee i think you need him sprinkled uh also he is that old he's gonna be 41 in a month quarterbacks don't tom brady fucked everyone's brain up yeah i saw jewel say that he's right he said that about he's he said it about uh tom brady going to the bucks and matthew stavre going going to the Rams and being like instant Super Bowl. He fucked up teams being like, we're a quarterback away.
We can get the old quarterback. But just the age thing is what has fucked everyone up.
Like 41 is an old quarterback. Yes, he's old.
Okay. He's old.
I can't believe we had to drop stats on you of his age he's he's old but let's talk about the booger thing because the jets have come a long way back in the day they'd have mark sanchez and he would take the boogers out of his nose and then wipe them on mark brunel's jacket now you've got their quarterback taking his boogers out of his own nose and then swallowing them what did you think when you saw that uh aaron said he did not eat it. Okay.
I saw him eat the booger. He said the other angle will show you that he did not.
Deep fake? It's a deep fake. Can I half defend Aaron Rodgers in this? Don't eat your boogers.
I don't like when people shame for picking your nose. Everyone picks your nose is fine.
Everyone in the world picks their nose. If you say you don't pick your nose, you're a fucking liar.
It's the same thing as people who pee in pools. Like, oh, I don't pee in pools.
No, you're a liar. Yeah, picking your nose is fine, but the conversation is like eating the booger is the part that concerns me.
Yeah, he shouldn't have eaten his booger. He said he has never eaten a booger.
But we saw him. We't it's on camera never has to be a lie yeah never's a lot like when you're a kid everyone is everyone tried a booger yeah hand up i i ate a booger when i was like five yeah yeah for sure i've eaten but whatever the worst thing i'm dealing with now is my son picks his nose and then he just turns to me says where should i should I put this? And I'm like, what do you mean? It's your booger, dude.
You fucking figure it out. I'm not taking it.
He'll just try to hand me his booger. That is a valid question because you never really know where to put it.
I just flick it. And then it just...
It's someone else's problem. I get yelled at for that a lot in my household.
Oh, no. I flick a lot of boogers.
It just ends up on the carpet. Your girlfriend's getting her feet stuck in the air.
He had a napkin. You need Aaron Rodgers to come clean it up with his mouth.
Lawrence Taylor used to eat boogers on the side, but for him, it was like taking an Adderall. Yeah.
He would get amped up when Aaron Rodgers eats a booger there's nothing there there's if anything he's got like hallucinogens in there yeah Lawrence Hill just didn't want to waste any yeah uh so you added you fired Robert Salah yep you added Devante Adams you added Hassan Redick so this is every every week we got to do something for the Jets to be like hey it, it's not the problem. I have a new thing, too.
Aaron Rodgers said after the loss to the Steelers that there was a major moment in the team culture finally evolving because Devontae Adams gave a speech that he said was the realest speech he'd heard in a locker room in 20 years. Yeah, Devontae Adams is now also the coach.
Okay. Okaycoaches okay player owner coach davante adams you have to win this game memes i'm i'm with you if we win i'm thinking i'm thinking soupy i love that i love what is the new guy though what does davante adams say that makes it the realest speech ever that aaron rogers has ever heard in his first week with the team.

He probably was like, I heard a lot about how this Jets organization sucked,

but now that I'm here, oh, my God.

Yeah.

You guys weren't lying.

Yeah, like the realest speech. We got no help here.

We have to do it.

Just players.

Yeah.

The organization isn't going to do shit.

Yeah.

The organization.

They've raised ticket prices, season ticket prices.

Woody Johnson this past week.

Perfect timing. Yeah, I think it was 23% last year and now 25% next year.
Yeah, they're in high demand. People just keep going.
Devontae Adams is like, I want to see more Fireman Ed on the Jumbotron. What the fuck is going on with Fireman Ed? Rodgers did back Fireman Ed, which I respect because I do think the ecosystem needs the superfan.
The ecosystem needs the superfan. Fireman Ed's kind of a fraud.
He walked away. Yeah, no, I know he did.
But I think he was like fighting people because they'd be like the Jets suck. And then he was just he was just fighting everyone.
And then he was like, I need to I just need to step away from. No, he stepped away after the butt fumble.
He gave up on the franchise. I heard a story that it was just it was fist were like, the Jets suck.
He's like, nuh-uh. Yeah, pretty much.
I think he gave a statement after the butt fumble. He's like, I'm not coming back.
This team is a disgrace. I agree, though.
The NFL ecosystem, I do love the super fan. The super fan is important, especially the ones that think they're a part of the team.
I love that about the NFL. I just think that in this case, Fireman Ed, kind of a fraud.
You can't just quit and then come back. Memes, I have something positive.
Memes is right. Memes is right.
Oh, he got in a fight. According to Wikipedia, which is fact, he retired as a self-proclaimed mascot of the New York Jets, stating he would attend games but not in character.
He later explained that confrontations with a small number of Jets fans had ruined the experience for him.

Eh.

Eh.

Actually, that doesn't necessarily mean fight.

But he also chose the game after the butt fumble to do it.

The question is, did he still go to the games?

If he just didn't go in character, I think he's okay.

But he could just say that.

He could just say that I was going to the games when he wasn't. True.
We're going to see if we can find him at the games. Quits is just unofficial.
I love that he quit, too, just because, again, he's unofficial. So he didn't have to quit to anyone.
Yeah, he gave up his salary of $0. Yeah.
Meems, I have some positive things for you.

You ready for it?

Ready.

The Jets' last four games, they have played the second.

It is all EPA per play.

The second best defense, the first best defense,

the 11th best defense, the sixth best defense.

So they have had a mini gauntlet here

in terms of playing against really tough defenses.

The Patriots defense is quote-unquote soft. They don't have soft players.
Do you think that there will be a bounce off of soft game? It's either it's going to be a bounce. I just don't know which way it's going to go.
It's either going to be, you know, a locker room comes together or the dissension is everywhere.

And. bounce i just don't know which way it's going to go it's either going to be you know a locker room comes together or the dissension is everywhere and team gives up and they get blown out there was a rumor going around uh so it's either going to be a win or a 20 point loss no but like uh what's your prediction a win or a loss i lean towards 20 point loss okay there's a rumor this week that Jared Mayo was going to be one and done.
Yeah, I've heard that. That's picking up steam.
Picking up a lot of steam, yeah. Yes.
Yeah, so there was a rumor he was going to get fired this week. I'm hearing Vrabes.
Hot seat. Yeah.
Dude, just a switch. Hot seat, Jared Mayo.
Would you like to see that? Not this week. I think you've got to him the season, but I think.
Reading the comments, by the way, under anyone who reports what Kirk says is so funny. Yeah.
It's great. Yeah, Kirk Minahan reported that they were getting rid of him.
I believe the report. No, he said 48 hours, I believe.
Right. It's imminent.
I believe the report. They're going to fire him right before the game.
Yeah. it could happen at any moment within these 48 hours i i think that's unfair to to coach mayo to do this year but i think it's probably smart to move on after the season someone else had a clip i saw maybe it was simmons posted a clip that was like it was a clip from five years ago that was craft being like yeah gerard mayo's Mayo's our coach in waiting.
That feels like it explains a lot from the last five years. Yeah.
That you had a guy who was in the building on Belichick's staff who was like, oh, yeah, he's anointed. I mean, the wheels have fallen off.
Kraft did the interview with the Breakfast Club. I don't know if we talked about this on Wednesday, but Kraft did the interview with the Breakfast Club.
He said that he was the one that fired Belichick. Before that, it had been basically said to the public that it was a mutual parting of ways.
It never is. And that's what opened the floodgates for Belichick to go in on Kraft.
And the first four weeks, he didn't say much about the Patriots or negative. And then after Kraft said that is when Belichick said it on McAfee's show.
He went on Brady's podcast to show that it's not a him and Brady thing. So I think the wheels have completely fallen off.
I think Belichick's going to keep leaning in on giving his honest opinion on the Patriots. And it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.
So I lean towards 20-point blowout. What did the Breakfast Club ask him about getting jerked off? I don't know.
I didn't watch the full interview. I want to know that answer.
I'm sure they did. It had to have.
I doubt it. Charlamagne definitely.
Based off the fact that they were saying everything on the roast of Brady. And once they mentioned that once, that was the only time someone got shut down.
Yeah, but you can't tell Charlamagne not to ask about the jack-off thing. No.
I bet you they did. He would say no deal on the interview.
They definitely talked about it off air. Yeah, probably.
They probably, yeah. They were like, what's your favorite spots? This is the first time since 2001-02 season that the Jets have been favored against the Patriots in consecutive games.
That's pretty crazy. It's how long it's been.
It means you have to win this game. It might be the most must-win game of your life.
It is the most must-win, and for a regular team, we would easily win this because the past two games we played the Patriots, we've had i think seven plus sacks each time and now there's no david andrews but it's the jets so i have no idea realistically all this hype going into it as the jets we lose this game by like uh greg's are like greg's are line miss field goal and then that's it all this hype going into it Yeah. There's so much hype into this matchup.
Now I do have a stat. This is the game of the week.
I do have a stat in terms of the over-under. The under is 11-2 out of the last 13 times that the Jets have played against AFC East opponents.
And the under is 5-0 the last five times that the Jets and Patriots have played.

I love the over.

Okay.

I just think the Patriots are an over team now.

Because of Drake May?

And their defense is terrible.

Yeah.

Like, they flip to an over team, and it's slowly catching up,

but it hasn't all the way caught up.

We're going to find out if calling your team soft works, though.

True.

That might be a variable in this.

It's like they just called the S word. Yeah.
So they might go out there and be like, fuck that, we're hard. Jake Mays is going to give them a shot.
Hank, you could win this game or lose. You sure? Yeah, I think so.
We could tie. No, you're not going to.
This is not a tie game. Not a tie game.
No. We already have one tie this weekend.
Yeah. All right, next game, Falcons at Bucs.
The Bucs are in their cream skull jerseys. The Bucs have lost everyone.
So they have no Godwin, no Mike Evans. That's not everyone, but it feels like everyone because those guys basically amount for all their catches.
Bucky time. They're going to go full-time Bucky.
Sterling Shepard time? I don't know. I don't know who they're going to pass to.
I feel like Baker has played on teams that have been utterly deserted of wide receivers in the past. So I feel like he will – it's not going to be super ugly for the Bucs, but they've been a pretty good offense with their wide receivers playing.
They're going to fall back to middle of the road. Yeah.
I mean, this is a huge game. This is a huge game for the division.
This is a huge game. These two teams, it does feel like our game PFT and this game, you guys could obviously still win your division, but that's going to be kind of the mix-up race for a wildcard spot.
Yeah. Yeah.'re important, impactful games.
Yeah, so I would say that there are going to be three teams from the NFC North that get into the playoffs. Correct.
And there could be four. Yes, basically if the Bucs – Because the West sucks.
If someone runs away from the NFC East, if the Eagles or Commanders just rip off a bunch of wins and the other team dies and then the Bucs die, it could feasibly be all four teams. Yeah, which would be wild.
So Tampa, they are one and four in the creamsicles when they wear those. It still looks cool.
It does look cool, but it also, that's not great. That's not great.
And not having Mike Evans for the creamsicles feels... Yeah, when you do a throwback, I mean, the jersey itself is going to be cool to look at.
I like it when the Bucs wear the creamsicles, but they're throwing back to the worst era of football ever. Yeah.
When the Bucs actually wore those week in, week out, they were a very, very bad football team with the exception of 1979. Yeah.
But besides that, it's like we're doing a throwback to celebrate our worst years as a franchise yeah i i think i lean the falcons in this game but i also i don't know this i can't decide if this is one of those games where it's going to be so easy because like hey the bucks have no offense or uh everyone thinks that and the bucks are like how'd they do that oh they threw you know 15 screen passes, 15 screen passes to Bucky Irving. Yeah.
Bucky's going to eat, and they're going to fire that fucking cannon a few times, which is so funny that the NFL is cracking down on the gun celebrations. Yeah.
Like, you can't pull out a fake shotgun and blast a guy in the face five times after sacking him. But then every time you score a touchdown, Raymond James Stadium just lights up like an armory.
Yeah. You can't even flash your gun.
Patriots, too. Yeah, Patriots.
They actually have guns. Yeah.
Dudes with guns in the end zone. But if Drake May pulls out, if he just shows a simulated gun in his waistband, Roger Goodell is going to come at that ass.
What about the Shooter McGavin? Probably can't do that. I don't think so.
You can't even do a bow and arrow celebration. No guns.
No guns. Can't do it.
What if you say it was a squirt gun? What if you pump and you you demonstrate it's a super soaker that could be a shotgun what if you what if you uh like joe horn when he pulled the uh cell phone out out of the goalpost what if underneath the goalpost you keep like a little orange cap and you put it on the on the top of your finger so it's clear that it's like a cap gun yeah it's not real. I think that could work too.
I think that works. That's what they got to do.
Just save a little orange cap and just put it on right after you score. Yeah, I like that idea a lot.
What if you line up your offensive linemen? I feel like they've probably done this before, but you throw a grenade, fake throw it, and then they all fall. Grenades are fine.
Grenades are totally fine. Yeah, grenades are good.
Drones are fine too. You can't do a gun.
Yeah, what if what if you do a drone yeah what if joe horn pulled out that cell phone he dialed the number and he was simulating that there were pagers on all the opponent's belts that yeah or it's it's he pulls out the the cell phone he just shows the camera a video of like a russian soldier getting drone killed as he gives up which i somehow see five times a day yeah that's it's insane isn't it's like the scariest thing ever. A dude just like standing in the middle of the field.
And just be like, please don't kill me. And then the drone just killing him.
The drone's like, sorry, you're dead. Yeah, you're dead, buddy.
Okay. Packers and Jaguars.
Robert Salah has found a temporary home. He is coaching the offense from a defensive perspective i love that and so he's on the sidelines there which is like taking a picture of your ex's ex on instagram and posting it just to get i feel like that was directed at aaron rogers yes i i that's why robert salah is in green bay yes that that's why probably matt lafleur was like hey come here.
I know exactly what you went through. Yeah, we can just talk about it.
Yeah, we can just talk shit together. So it's also a Doug Peterson kind of revenge game because he was a backup quarterback for the Green Bay Packers for a while.
Sure. The Jaguars, I think, are going to get lit up by Jordan Love.
You think so? Yeah. I kind of like the Jags this weekend.
Yeah, this is... Not to win.
I'm just not going to overthink it. Yeah, I'm not going to overthink it.
I'm not going to overthink it. I think the Packers are...
Their offenses looked good. Jordan Love looks good.
They're a much better team. It's in Jacksonville.
They're on a kind of winning streak. The Jaguars? Yeah.
Yeah, they've won one game. One game.

Yeah.

They could make it a winning streak.

Yeah, they could make it a big winning streak.

Okay.

Colts at Texans.

I don't want to pick on Anthony Richardson, but I have to just share a stat.

Anthony Richardson completion percentage this year is 48.5%. What do you think the second worst quarterback? So that's last in the NFL.
48.5% of his passes are being completed. Who's the second worst quarterback and what's their completion percentage? Deshaun.
Nope. Gardner.
Nope. It's Jacoby Brissett.
Oof. and his completion percentage was 58.5%.

So the second worst is 10% better than the worst in Anthony Richardson.

And among players with 150-plus attempts in their first two seasons in the NFL,

these are the lowest completion percentages over the last decade.

Bryce Petty, 53.1.

Deshaun Kaiser, 53.1.

Anthony Richardson, 53.5. It's not good company to be in.
No. Deshaun Kizer and Bryce Petty is not good.
I feel like they're going to run him until he gets hurt. I think that's the plan for the Colts.
It's like we're not going to tell him to slide. We're not going to call plays to protect him.
We're going to let him do what he does the best best which is throw it deep and then sometimes run into people yeah yeah john taylor will be back too that will help that's a big one yeah the texans are weird the texans are good but their offense is not good they're not they don't feel like they're as dominant as they were in stretches last year right yeah no their offense is like to watch, especially without Nico Collins.

And then some of the weird stuff with time management at the end of games.

I know that everyone picked the Texans to go far in the postseason this year,

but I haven't seen them stand out.

I mean, their record is very good, but I haven't seen them stand out as being like, this is an incredible team that's all put together.

Agreed. Agreed.

Okay, next game, I'm going to probably end up.

Oh, they got Devin White, though.

They got Devin White. Devin White, Eagles legend.
The Colts also got DeForest Buckner back, which should. That's big.
His practice window opened. I don't know if he's going to play, but that should be huge for the Colts.
Yeah. Saints at Chargers.
Alvin Kamara is playing with a broken hand, and also he got a new contract, which is perfectly Saints. That's really good.
So, I mean, the Saints are your choices right now. If you're in the Saints front office, it's like keep restructuring the guys that you have and giving them like longer terms on their contract and keep kicking the can down the road, which has worked for them in the past.
But the difference is right now, those guys are already old. Yeah.
And so now you're just extending them and making your team older in like two years yeah they're the i think the move they made with with camara is it saved them 18 million dollars yeah which i don't really understand how that works they signed him to do a new contract but they saved money doing it but yeah that's i think that's their only solution now is to just keep doing new contracts to save money and push it down on your current players yeah so what the saints might end up doing is just in the next like 10 years have the exact same roster and they're a team of 45 year old guys yeah and they lose every game but you're not in cap hell right yeah that's how they slowly climb out of cap hell which is very relatable yeah which is like i'll just deal with this problem in two years yeah two years might not even happen the chargers have to win this game they have to win this game yeah they have to win this game i do think they will win this game i think they can run the ball saints defense is very very bad they're worst in the league uh in terms of uh yards per carry against 5.4 yards per carry so i feel like the chargers are going to be just be like we're going to smash this down your throat uh but at least the saints it does feel like the saints will be a little bit they'll look better than they did last Thursday because they're going to get Olave back they got some offensive linemen back I just want it to be a better the Saints are such a bummer to watch be a little competitive yeah Spencer Rattler had some very some of the most hilarious turnover plays last week I hope we get more of The Chargers, they have not scored an offensive touchdown in the second half since week one.

Week one was the only time they did that.

They need a wide receiver.

They need somebody that can catch the ball.

They need ball catchers.

Yeah.

Bad.

Bad.

Bills at Seahawks.

DK Metcalf, if he doesn't play, I like the Bills.

I would guess that he's not going to play. I think he's he is officially out it's a grade one MCL that sounds bad that does sound bad I'm going to guess that he's not playing I know he's questionable we got to have DK back on sometime I'll say it and we could even tweet this at him I think DK uses the cart too much well it's because he did it that one time when he had to shit.
Yeah. Every time he goes on the cart is like season-ending injury.
Yeah. That's what it feels like.
So when you see someone, I understand, DK, you don't want to walk and you want to get a ride, but you make everyone who's a Seahawks fan, who's a fan of you, which we include everyone in this room, very nervous whenever you get in the cart. Yeah, I think that it really does go back to the time where he used it when he didn't need to use it.
Yeah. Unless he had already shit his pants.
Right. If there was like a brown stain, then I understand that.
Or you could just wrap a towel around your waist and duck waddle to the bathroom. That would have been fine too.
But since then, it's the boy who cried wolf with the cart. I think in this case this case he's probably out he's week to week grade one mcl sprain i'm gonna guess that he's not playing he's missing the next two practices then we'll have a sprain mcl evaluated on friday he also could be a guy who just regenerates like he's in that good of shape if you look at dk metcalf where it's like he can just sit and focus really hard on his knee on friday afternoon be like okay i'm better now yeah bobo tom bobo bobo jsn bobo uh yeah i i this is gonna be a fun game this is a very fun game in the afternoon yeah i'm excited for it uh panthers and broncos bryce young he's back baby Back.
Andy Dalton got into a car accident, hurt his thumb.

Yeah.

Kind of a weird injury to have in a car accident,

but I'm glad that that's all that it was.

But this is bad.

This is bad for the Panthers for two reasons.

One, Bryce Young's going to play quarterback for you.

And two, whatever trade value you think you have for Bryce Young

is now up in the air because he could get injured or it's just going to remind everybody how bad Bryce Young is. Right.
So the longer you go without having to watch Bryce Young like NFL GMs, they're just like us. If you spend two months and you haven't seen Bryce Young play football, you're like, maybe that guy's not that bad.
Yeah. But now you're going to be reminded about how bad he is.
Yeah, and it's going to be bad because according to Sports Info Solutions,

Panthers are the worst team versus the blitz and the broncos blitz the second most in the nfl and also the panthers have the 31st uh ranked rushing defense in in terms of dvoa so it's going to be the broncos running the ball down their throat and then blitzing the fuck out of them I know this is a big line I don't know how you could possibly take the Panthers I don't irredeemable I don't know either they're irredeemable I think it was nine and a half points yeah irredeemable yeah I still like the Broncos yeah I think you could probably make it 13 and a half the defense last week was just so so bad so bad and their offense which had been at times not as bad as their defense, was as bad, if not worse, than their defense was. Yes, yes.
But what I respect about them, in the game against the Commanders, you're getting the shit kicked out of you by Marcus Mariota, and starting in the second quarter, you just start running the football. Yeah.
And you're like, we're going to make this game end as fast as we can. Running clock.
Yeah. Okay.
Chiefs wrapping up. We got a couple more.
Chiefs at Raiders. I wanted to take the Raiders, but then I remembered.
Do you guys remember over the summer training camp when the Raiders had that video of Kermit the Frog dresses Patrick Mahomes. And Patrick Mahomes' quote after that was,

stuff like that happens, it will get handled when it gets handled.

That feels like it's going to get handled this week.

But the Raiders are also a team that will not let Patrick Mahomes

tiptoe along the sidelines and let up on them.

True.

They're going to finish those plays.

I do agree, though.

That was a crazy move for the Raiders to play.

Crazy. Crazy, with a new coaching staff coming in, quarterbacks or gardner menchew and aoc why why are you doing that i i guess the one thing you can say about the raiders is they can they can lean into their team identity being we're the one team that will beat the fuck out of patrick mahomes yeah that's really all they have going for them because i mean they are a weird are a weird team.
They beat the Ravens, and they lost to the Panthers.

Oh, I have it for you.

That's how strange the Raiders are.

You ready for this?

So this is from Josh Dubow AP.

The Raiders are the last team to beat the Chiefs.

Yeah.

Christmas 2023.

The last team to beat the Ravens, Week 2.

The only team to lose to the 2024 Panthers, Week 3.

And the only team to lose to the 2024 panthers week three and the only team to lose a team uh to a team coached by jeff saturday week 10 2022 yeah they're such a weird they're the weirdest team they're so weird i mean that looking back at that ravens win it's like what the fuck happened in that fourth quarter yeah it was crazy uh but it's i think that was actually good for the ravens yeah see that happen to them yeah deandre hopkins is to be good for the Chiefs. I know that he has not been great this year, but it doesn't matter.
He's still got the hands. He's still got the hands, and it doesn't really matter.
It's just like this is where the Chiefs are at. Yeah.
They're going to add him. He's going to be great.
He doesn't have the explosion that he used to have, beating people deep, but it doesn't matter. You have Xavier Worthy on the outside.
DeAndre Hopkins can just catch everything he will catch everything he's still very good I think we predicted that DeAndre Hopkins would be on the Chiefs in like week two and it's gonna work right it's like this is it's his destiny to get just like stay in shape by playing on the Titans yeah you're still practicing football and catching balls you're not really competing that much but you are going to be a Chief and you're going to win the Super Bowl with the Chiefs. Yes.
By the way, Patrick Mahomes has the most interceptions of any QB in the NFL since the start of last season. That's pretty crazy.
That is wild. 22.
Sam Howell, 21. Jordan Love, 19.
Jalen Hurts, 19. Do you know what's going on with Max Crosby? Yeah.
Well, he's like maybe getting traded. He said, yeah, he might get traded.
And then he said, I'm a Raider. Let me say that.
Let me make this pretty fucking clear. I am a Raider.
I want to be a Raider. And his name keeps getting brought up.
And they were doing an interview with him the other day. And they said, like, what if Antonio Pierce called you guys soft? And he's kind of like mumbled through it.
And then he was like, wait, did he call us soft? And the interviewer was like, yeah, he called you guys soft. And then his reaction, his quote was, I would have a major issue if I was a player, especially another man calling you soft.
I mean, those are fighting words. Maybe it worked by Antonio Pierce.
Yeah. Like, if your reaction is that's fighting words, maybe that's the right word to say to you to make you want to fight.
Yeah. I don't know.
I mean, Max Crosby, if he gets traded, that would be someone would get really, really good. I'm just saying that he backtracked that.
Oh, he backtracked. Yeah, it was on Jim Gray's podcast.
Okay. Afterwards.
Jim Gray. Again, we've said this before.
How the fuck does that guy just have these like shows with like how does he have a show with tom brady he's just a secret commissioner they're just boys but jim gray was on that show jim gray hasn't done anything in like 20 years and he's just he still gets like the biggest did he do the decision yeah i feel like it's crazy i feel like jim and they're talking about it on the podcast. He was the one that interviewed Tyson.
Like the back is broken. Yeah.
Jim Gray might be secretly super, super wealthy. Did you guys know this is unrelated? Did you know that Joe Buck has been calling NFL games since 1994? No.
Isn't that crazy? One of the first Fox guys. So I saw a clip it was uh the 30th anniversary of the longest punt return uh in nfl history 103 yards because the rule used to not be if it goes in the end zone it's not immediately dead so it was a saints oilers game i want to say and the ball hit the back basically the back part of the end zone and then bounced forward and the oilers guy just picked it up and ran it so he picked it up in the end zone and ran it and i was listening i was like is this joe buck and it was joe buck from 1994 and that's a play that will never be that record won't be broken because of the way that the correct is written right now yes can you can you play it i know we can't well no you, no, you could play it.
The audio of it. Say this again.
I was looking at Jim Gray, everything Jim Gray. Jim Gray is weird.
It's crazy. And it's nuts.
And he's got like, I don't know what his personality is. He's just Jim Gray.
It was the longest punt return in NFL history. 1994 Saints Oilers.

I was shocked.

I mean, I felt a little bad that I didn't know that fact,

but when I heard it, I was like, is this Jack Buck?

How could this be Jack Buck?

No, it's Joe Buck.

Let's see.

Is this it?

Yeah.

Tommy Barnhart.

Shot it off because they're out of timeout.

So a big stop on third down, and now Barnhart.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah.

1994.

How old is he?

Like 25.

Look at this play.

Oh, it's Rams, sorry. Barnhart could not pull it up short of the end zone.

I think the way the returns have been going in this game, I just assume.

Wait a minute.

What's going on out here?

They down the ball. This is going to be a touchdown.
That is one of the most unbelievable plays I've ever seen. They never downed the ball.
It was sitting in the end zone, and the Rams picked it up and scored. Buck kind of got owned on that play call, didn't he? Yeah.

Like, the analyst just took over for him.

Yeah, he took over.

I think Joe was just probably confused.

Probably pissing.

Yeah.

Pissing in a beer bottle.

It's crazy, though.

25 years old, calling NFL games.

Very cool.

Nuts.

Also, shout out Jake, who's going to be doing some college basketball stuff, right?

Yes.

Very cool, Jake.

CBS.

Feast Week.

Yes.

I love Feast Week so much. I love love feast week so much i love feast week so much uh bears and commanders the game is he gonna play i i reported on monday that he was gonna play so he's guaranteed play so what can people do if he doesn't play i stand to you i stand by my reporting so if he doesn't play what do you what can people there could be a material change uh but i stand by my reporting he has to play he has to play, what can people do to you? There could be a material change, but I stand by my reporting.
He has to play. He has to play, right? You can find me.
You can find me. I don't think he's playing.
Yeah. Why? I don't think he's playing either.
Why not? I just think it's just our luck. But he knows how much this game means to us.
I don't know if he does. He does.
Because he would have already been practicing. He's doing a little rope-a-dope.
The ribs are fine your ribs a long way from your heart that's actually not that true no they're very close they're very close they actually protect your heart but he's gonna play yes max i have a question yeah max uh did you say anything at the out of order live show i forgot that max was there did you say anything at the out of order live last night? I did not. Sounds like he did.
What did he say, Max? It was a comedy show. I'm confused.
Was he talking shit? It was a comedy show. Is he afraid to repeat it on the podcast? Is Big Cat a studio gangster? This is maybe why I texted you guys and asked if you were coming to the show.
And then I forgot Max was there. Just remember I texted you guys? I went up, Nick, our good friend Nick,

I knew he was going to do this to me.

I thought of it, as I was walking out,

I was like, fuck, Max was there.

As I was walking, or sorry,

Nick was saying some unkind things to Caleb Williams.

I was emceeing.

So fights went first, introduced fights, introduced Nick.

Nick said some unkind things to Caleb Williams.

I went up and I was like, hey guys, Caleb Williams is so fucking good. He's going to change all of our lives.
And then I might have said, because PFT's not here, I think Caleb Williams is way better than Jaden Daniels. But that was off air.
I'm just curious, off air. Yeah, it was off air.
Delete this part. Yeah, it was off air.
So I'm declaring this is off air too. How many rookie of the week says Caleb? Listen, I just said what I said.
Can we look that up? Yeah. Rookie of the week is an award I do not care about.
I'm just curious. Off air, I had to say what I thought.
Well, we'll find out, won't we? Yeah, I don't care about rookie of the weeks. How many touchdown throws does Jay Daniels have? No, I'm saying we'll find out how many overall touchdowns

does caleb have i think more than jayden daniels he played against the jaguars oh you played against the panthers oh he got hurt because he didn't get any touchdowns in that game yeah because he got hurt so actually caleb's played more games than than jayden uh five the best abilities availability

and how

1, 2,

3 Five? The best ability is availability. Well, he's also...
Wait, how many of his...

Wait, we're counting.

One, two, three.

He only has three?

I thought he had more than that.

Oh.

How has he played...

Does he have five rookie of the weeks?

I have a question.

It's pretty good.

How has Caleb Williams played more games than Jayden Daniels

when the Commanders haven't had a bye?

Oh, we did last week against the... So they played the exact same amount of games.
Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that.
But Jaden's different. That's fine.
Jaden's different. I love my guy.
Jaden's different. Monday night.
I also knew Max was in the crowd, and I knew he was going to bring this up. But it's good for the show.
What's his record in primetime? 0-1. I don't care.
I don't give a fuck about Rookie of the Week. I don't give a fuck about record in primetime.
I give a fuck about how I feel. I think Caleb Williams is really good.
Record in primetime is pretty important. All eyes on you.
One game. You're going to make it to the playoffs.
That's a one-game sample size. We actually don't have a lot of primetime games.
Who did you bet on to be MVP this year? I didn't actually make the bet because, remember, he went from 22-1 to 10-1 to then 18-1, and they lost. And I was like, well, I missed that.
All right, so it was Joe Burrow. I was saying at the time that if you thought the Bengals could beat the Ravens, you bet on Joe Burrow to be MVP they didn't beat the Ravens but you've been saying he's been playing at an MVP level he was yeah so when Jaden when he beat him in his own house Jaden Daniels play against Joe Burrow he did he he played again Joe Burrow was playing cornerback he outs Jaden Daniels he outscored the 24th.
The 24th defense in the league. Well, we didn't really have a defense out there, and the Bengals didn't really have a defense out there, but Jaden had more points than Joe Burrow.
Right, but Joe Burrow was playing defense against Jaden Daniels. Basically, yeah.
He could have – if Joe Burrow had scored more points than Jaden, that would be kind of playing defense against him. I hope Jaden Daniels plays.
I hope he's not a pussy about it. I hope he plays, too.
He better. You said he was going to play.
I reported. I didn't say.
I reported that Jaden Daniels, which is more than saying it. I want him to play.
So it's a tattoo bet. Yeah.
If Jaden plays. No, I think no matter what.
So when we talked about what the most hilarious outcome in terms of. Last year was the worst game ever.
In terms of for the podcast, which is why we want. If you lose to Marcus Mariota, you need to get like a lay.
That's what I'm saying. If you should get.
No, you should get the Polynesian like shoulder tattoo. No, I choose.
If I lose, I'm going to choose my own tattoo, but I'll honor it with or without James Daniels. If you want it, it's your because you're the one who got the tattoo last year because the bears beat the commanders so i the fuck out of them yeah i will uh whatever the if you want to call it off for marcus mariotta i'm happy to do that i don't care i'm not going to call it off okay because uh i believe in my guys okay i believe in my guys now you don't dick buck has passed away like right before the game last year.
Yeah, Mike Dick is pretty old. That felt.
Oh, my God. I didn't even think about Mike Dick.
I did. Yeah.
Okay. The bet's off.
No. No.
No. Yeah.
That's my one stipulation. If he passes away within one hour of kickoff.
All right. One hour.
One hour. Sunday morning.
Whatever. It's between 10 and 12.
No, no, no. His kickoff is 325 central time.

If he passes away during the early slate of games.

Second half.

That's like an hour and a half, two-hour window.

Second quarter counts.

No.

Under the two-minute warning.

There has to be at least one game over the two-minute warning.

Okay, deal.

Deal.

Then the bet's off.

But otherwise.

Every game that it starts when every game is under the two-minute warning. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Listen, last year I bet on Sam Howell.
Yeah, if there's one. So I will honor the bet.
On Justin Fields. I will honor the bet with Marcus Mariota.
The Bears were 0-4, I believe, at the time. 1-3.
Bad. It was bad.
It was a bad game. It was a bad game.
You guys played really well. It was a bad game.
yeah me and big cat will have we'll have marks it's like i'll have a tapestry that's what they used to do back in medieval times to like uh commemorate everything that happened in their history it's like oh here's a here's a painting of uh us losing this one battle yeah that's what our body tell the story that's what our bodies are the story of this rivalry that everyone talks about this famous Bears commanders rivalry. Yeah.
That's what our bodies are going to do. Tell the story of it.
That's what our bodies are going to do. The story of this rivalry that everyone talks about.
This famous Bears-Commanders rivalry. Yeah.
Are you feeling good? I think if you... It's hard to judge this game because we just don't know if he's playing.
I want you to be happy, Big Cat. And I want Caleb Williams to be a good quarterback.
But to say that he's had a better year than Jay Daniels... That's not what I said.
That's not what I said. He was his little boy.
Hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on.
That is not what I said. That's not what I said.
That's not what I said. No, bro.
You're going to be good. That's not what I said.
That's not what I said. He was his little boy.
Hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on.
That is not what I said. It's not what I said.
Bro, you're going to be good. That's not what I said.
You're changing. And that makes me think that you're scared that you're saying you're changing the words to this year.
That's not what I said. I did not say Caleb Williams has played better than Jaden Daniels this year.
That is unequivocally not what I said. What did you say? I said, I think Caleb Williams is better than jayden daniels going forward but how can you say that when jayden because i clearly a better player because that's just what i think going forward i think if you're what that's not that's not a crazy thing to say you're saying i i hope that one day caleb will be better i think that caleb williams going forward is going to be the better quarterback i did not say anything about this this year.
So you could do the rookie of the weeks, but that is

irrelevant to me because I'm talking about the future.

You're talking about what hasn't happened yet. I'm talking

about the future. You're talking about what you

hope is going to happen. What do we do on this show?

Talk about what hasn't happened.

It's the whole preview. There's one thing about me.
I like

to live in reality. Yeah.

Max is trying to change what I said.

I never said that.

Actually, PFT is. He's the one who changed it.

You want to go with the rookie of the weeks. I wasn't

there. I don't know what you said.
No, I never

I'm sorry. Bax is trying to change what I said.
I never said that. Actually, PFT is.
He's the one who changed it. You want to go with the Rookie of the Weeks.
I wasn't there. I don't know what you said.
No, I never said that. I never said he's better than him this year.
No, he just said that I think he's a better quarterback. He's going to be a better quarterback.
I think he's going to be a better quarterback. Did he say going to be? I think I said going to be.
Is better. Because I said he's going to be awesome.
He's going to change our lives. He's going to be a better quarterback there's tapes we could check yeah we'll check all right we could check the tapes going to be is different that it's different than is better i did not say it i i didn't not talk about this year i said i was talking future i was saying this is going to change our lives put a pull out i could actually put it i could text someone and try and get the actual clip but all right so if i said i i don't think i said this year uh but my whole point was that he's going to be better because that's what i've been saying the whole time is that i i'm very confident in kale williams i think he's going to be a very good quarterback i think that jayden daniels is different he is awesome i love him so you think jayden daniels is like that much better than caleb williams and everything because i also i think i i i don't think jim i think jayden is very very good uh i just think i like caleb williams more going forward but you think jayden daniels is going to be like the best quarterback ever i think he's going to be if he stays healthy i think jayden daniels is going to be the best quarterback in the history of the Redskins or Commanders.
I think he's going to be if he stays healthy i think jane daniels is going to be the best quarterback in the history of the redskins or commanders i think he's going to be the best quarterback in the nfc he might already be the best quarterback in the nfc what about like all time probably top two all time no uh that's that's too far for me to project but probably top five okay yeah i don't i i think k think Caleb Williams is going to have a really strong career and win a Super Bowl.

That's all I'll say.

Just one?

I wouldn't doubt that.

I'm going to say one.

Yeah, I'm not going to say he's top ten, top five.

That was me, Hank.

That was me, Hank.

Yes, with the Bears.

I'm not going to say he's top ten, top five, any of this stuff,

because it's still too early,

but I'm very confident in what I've seen in the progression that he's made. I think it'll be good for the league.
Yeah. Tattoo bats every year.
It'll be good for the league to have this rivalry. Every year.
All right. Last game.
Cowboys at Niners. Let's get that footage.
Yeah, that's fine. I want to see the footage.
I knew Max was there. I knew he was going to bring this up.
You think I'm an idiot? Max was... I i saw him before the show he came in and said hello to me uh i don't think i said this year but my and if it's this year no jayden daniel's played better than caleb williams so far caleb williams i have i think about his future higher hank who do you think's better jay daniel's he's played better this so far.
I think Caleb Williams is better.

Thank you, Max.

I think that's fair to say.

I want Caleb Williams to be better.

I think it's fair to say that so far Jay Daniels has played better.

But you think that your ceiling is higher.

Yes.

And I also think that Caleb Williams gets criticized for playing bad defenses.

And Jay Daniels has also played bad defenses.

It's true.

Yeah.

I just want both to play Sunday.

Yeah, I do too. Then I want both to play Sunday.
Yeah,

I do too.

Then I can decide.

Very badly.

Very badly.

Are you guys going to compliment my jersey or not?

I did.

That was the first thing I said to you.

Oh,

I'm sorry.

Great jerseys.

Is it McCaffrey?

It's a Luke McCaffrey salute to service Arctic camo jersey.

Hell yes.

Shipped directly from China.

I love the fact that China is making our pro-American military jerseys.

That is nice.

Also,

this is just a knockoff and I feel like I'm the only person in the world that owns it but fuck it we ball nice uh where'd max go probably to retrieve the footage footage or bathroom i did say i do remember saying oh because we don't have any uh no one can take video of this and then i like looked at the camera yeah i knew the camera was there also the rookie of the week thing is hilarious because there are two weeks that you could definitely say caleb deserved to win don't want it those two weeks don't want it want to stay hungry don't want it okay breaking moose max has got the video from uh laugh factory i'm very interested to see this. So according to Big Cat, he said that Caleb Williams is going to be better than Jaden Daniels.
Or he might have said he's better, but I didn't say he's playing better right now or he's had better games this year. Have you seen this? I have not.
I have not either. He lived it.
I did live it, but I don't remember anything that happens ever because my brain's turning to mush and I don't sleep. I've been trying to stay reserved with what I'm about to say because we're in a place where we can't have cameras and people aren't recording.
I knew the cameras were recording. I'll just say to you guys, Caleb Williams is so fucking good.
He's been to change all of our lives. I honestly think that we're all going to become winners.
I don't think BFT's here. He's so much better than Jaden Daniels.
He's so much better than Jaden Daniels. I have no problem.
He's so much better than Jaden Daniels. I mean, why can't I say that? I, wait, wait.
I want to hear the rest of it. I want to be good.
I believe it. I believe it.
I won't say it to his face. I'm going to wait.
I'm going to play some long games. He's so fucking good.
I knew the cameras were everywhere. Yeah, I have no problem with what I said.
I have one problem with what you said. What? That he's so much better than Jaden Daniels.
I vehemently disagree. I think anybody that's watched the games this season, and I'm a big Caleb Williams fan.
I've been very polite myself. You don't have to fake it.
I've been rooting for the guy. I want him to be a great quarterback.
You don't have to fake it. I think you have to be insane to say that Caleb Williams has been a better quarterback.
I didn't say he's been a better quarterback. I said he's so much better.
I didn't say he's a better quarterback. He's been a better quarterback.
I said he's so much better. I think we're splitting hairs right now.
No, I didn't say he's a better quarterback he's been a better quarterback I said he's so much better I think we're splitting hairs no I have not I didn't say Caleb Williams played so much better big cats backed into a corner no I'm not you you have talked reckless about Jaden Daniels I have been very reserved Caleb Williams has played better every week and people wanted this to happen for this week. They wanted us to finally take the gloves off.

Max was just so happy.

He's like, we needed this.

We needed this.

I've been reckless about Jay Daniels because I'm looking at the hardware, and he's got five rookie of the week.

But for me to say that I think my quarterback is so much better, you have said some shit that is like crazy.

No, I said Super Bowl window.

You just said he's going to be one of the top two quarterbacks of all time.

I said top five.

You started with top two i think i said not saying top maybe i said i feel like i've i've been very like reserved and i still think that kailins got there's gonna be some bumps in the path this season for kailins he's gonna have some bad games we got a tough schedule i'm just talking i'm looking forward I think what I've seen forward he's gonna be awesome I think right now as it stands we we both have our lines yeah I mean this is what we always thought so it's not it's not like a secret yeah I did have Jaden as as number one on my big board before the draft yeah yeah yeah I wanted him I listen there's an update by the, about Jaden Daniels from Adam Schefter. Okay.
So he tweeted out earlier today, Washington plans to attempt to try to practice Jaden Daniels on Friday. Okay.
So we plan to attempt. We plan to attempt.
That doesn't sound great. Plan to attempt to try to practice Jaden on Friday.
That doesn't sound great. I still think he's going to play.
But plan to attempt to try to practice. We plan to attempt to try.
That'sayden on friday doesn't sound great i still think he's gonna play but plan to attempt to try to practice we plan to attempt to try that's a great update from shefter are you mad at me that i think my quarterback's better than yours no no i just uh i would have rather had this conversation on the podcast well i knew i mean it's sad that we're having it it's sad that it had to come you don't after a video where you said i'll say this because pft is not here Well, you don't think there was three cameras pointing at my face and Max was in the crowd. I saw Max before the show.
Listen, we just might have. And I knew he was sitting right there.
We might have just reached supreme debate. Yeah, that was supreme debate.
Listen, people have been waiting for me to say it because I've been taking a lot of shit. I get it.
You know, the Bengals game. Obviously, my mentions were just holy shit.
Your stinks jayden daniels is awesome i think jayden daniels is awesome i think caleb williams is super duper awesome i think jayden daniels is like absolutely the best quarterback that i've ever watched in my entire life he's a top two quarterback of all time oh he might be he might when it when all is said and done we're both confident our. Yeah, I just want Caleb Williams to keep getting better.
And like I said, it's his rookie season. There's going to be some bumps in the road.
I know that there's – I think we play the Vikings on Monday Night Football. I already have that circled as a game that everyone's going to shit on me.
I have it just in my mind of like that's going to suck for me. But I don't care.
The nice thing is right now I don't have any more primetime games I have to worry about or i guess the eagles yeah there's the eagles on thursday night that will be a big game we're gonna stream that game be a big game you know what the the real perverts out there you're it's actually just memes it's actually just no max loves this max is so happy being a big pervert right now max is this is good promo for the stream and for Yes, absolutely. People wanted this.
They didn't want us to sit here and be like, oh, I hope we have a good game. I hope you have a good game.
I hope we have a good game. Back and forth.
No, I know. I know what this is.
Memes said, ask him if it's a must win or can't lose. I think you care more about the quarterback play.
No, no, no, no. The Bears, because of the Bears schedule, I've already called it a must win.
The Bears, this stretch has been nothing but must wins the panthers game is must win the jaguars game is must win this is a must win they i i've said it a million times but all bears fans listening right now know it starting in week 10 we have the most difficult schedule possible and it's going to be fucking torture and caleb was going to have games he looks bad we must win these games i think we must win them like we like we knew going into the season when you looked at the schedule it's like if we don't start the season six and three or seven and two we have no chance at the playoffs i think this is a must play for jayden yeah i want him to play i don't think it's a i'll be not going to get into max's little must win can can't lose, because at the end of the day those don't mean anything, and I've figured that out, Max, when you asked me that. But I think Jaden must play this weekend.
He must. I'm going to remember when he said that.
I'll say this, PFT. I went on Waddle and Sylvie.
You're not going to remember that at all. No, I don't remember.
You're going to fall right back into that trap. I went on Waddle and Sylvie.
They do every Wednesday. Those are my guys.
And they were kind of making fun of me because I said that I wanted Jaden Daniels to play. And they were like, don't we want the path of least resistance? I was like, no, no.
I want Jaden Daniels. I genuinely want Jaden Daniels to play.
I want to see this. So do I.
It's the best for this show. Yep.
It's 100% the best for this for this show and i want to see it happen so i'll be bummed out if it doesn't listen am i overcompensating uh because of all my doubt via watching so much bad quarterback play my entire life as a commanders redskins football team fan 100 absolutely but do i also think that jayden is i'd say top two in the n? Yes. I do think he is.
The only time I thought your recklessness was a little crazy was when you genuinely laughed at Max, and it was very similar to when Billy had, like, two good weeks for the Jets, and he was like, you guys don't understand. And I was like, PFT, we're still far away from the finish line here.
So the reason I laughed at Max was actually because Max had just gotten done saying the eagle season is completely over and then he said eagles to win the super bowl yeah that's why that was like the 10th team pick though yeah at that point like you have but it was a genuine laugh yeah yeah and you were kind of looking at him like you sad sack of shit you don't know what it's like no and i'm not there yet no i'm not there yet no no, no. I would never say that I feel bad for Max because the Eagles, I've said this, they have a top-to-bottom, much better roster than the Commanders do.
No, don't do this now. It's true.
No, don't do this. You can't take back the laugh.
Don't do this now. Okay.
I think it's true, though. The laugh was the true reaction.
I'm not going to answer that question question uh hank was learning by me anything i'd need jane dennis play okay we all do this podcast needs jane dennis play i'll be very bummed out if it happens on sunday morning he plans to attempt to try to practice to play wait didn't you say you do something if he doesn't play i think there was discussion of me getting fined for the oh yeah we're gonna find you yes no we're finding you yeah because we are finding you sunday i was like he's playing yeah yeah we're finding you 100 bucks a person no 100 bucks next uh next lottery ball winner gets it okay yeah put it free parking yeah free parking in the lottery ball that's good we should just do fines for that we should have a free parking yep yeah yeah yeah we should yeah yeah we should of a jar for that. We should have a free parking.
Yep. Yeah.
Yeah, we should.

Yeah, yeah. We should have a jar for it.

Memes will never get it.

I'll never get it.

No, you're going to get it.

Memes is never going to get it.

All right.

Well, that was the breaking news.

Back to regular scheduled programming.

All right.

Last game, Cowboys at Niners.

This is just the injury bowl.

Jennings, Debo, Ayuk all out. out or Debo probably out Kittle maybe out McCaffrey Hank He's out.
Okay and yeah I don't know all I have for this is Jerry Jones is doing weird shit again. He said that Mike McCarthy is designing bad plays and bad concepts on offense.
Saying that he's got bad plays is such a mean, funny thing to say. And then also said Derrick Henry wasn't a fit for their offense.
And then I don't know if you guys saw the story on ESPN where it was basically a deep dive into the fact that the Cowboys facility does tours every single day that just basically has the players like zoo animals. Yeah, you get to walk through and just see the players at work, and then the players are just like, oh, there's people behind glass tapping on it and taking pictures.
Yeah, they're tapping on the glass when you're trying to get a workout. Yeah, it's insane.
But that's Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones is like, yeah, go look at my boys out there.
That one boy, he's got a big penis. Yeah.
Try to see that. Yeah.

There's a very funny tweet, speaking of the 49ers.

This is from Matt Ford.

He pointed out after Debo Samuel had pneumonia and he was sent to the hospital,

Matt Ford said,

the 49ers' healthiest receiver right now was shot in the chest two months ago.

Yeah.

Which is true.

That's true.

And it's crazy.

Ricky Pearsall.

And so he played last weekend. And it's insane, the bad injury luck that the 49ers have had this season.
I don't think that things are going to turn around for the Niners. No, I like the Cowboys in this game.
I feel like, yeah, it could be a good week for the Cowboys. Although Brandon Aubrey missed practice because he's doing jury duty.
Jury duty. Which is a very strange reason.
Like back in the day, if you were missing practice for court on the Cowboys you were having a lot more fun yeah yeah that's very true you weren't on that side of the box yeah i didn't even think about that yeah i like the cowboys mike mccarthy off the bye is pretty good too yeah he is as fat as he is uh he is 12 and 5 all time after bye and he's three and one as the cowboys coach okay okay let's do uh picks let's start with our touchdown parlay that we hit. Hey, it's John Gruden.
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Touchdown Parlay. We hit it.

Who was in it? Saquon was mine.

No, it was the three of us.

Alright, so we need to do it again.

We need to hit it again. I like Joe Mixon.

Joe Mixon. I like that pick

too. Good job.

That's a good pick. Great pick.

I will do

J.K. Dobbins.

Should I go running back or wide receiver? Do whatever you feel, buddy. Yeah, follow your heart.
Devontae Adams. Okay.
Against the Patriots. The best speech of all time.
The realest speech of all time. Best speech of all time.
Patriots D is not good. If there was going to be like a let's get on the right page.
It would be this. Yeah.
Memes, what do you think? I love it. Three three for davante yeah three touchdown two plus td is plus 650 all right uh three plus td is 30 to one what is what's the standings for our so we'll have the draft kings in drafting sportsbook we'll have the uh td parlay we're 1-0 in our last one.
What are the standings for the season long competition? I'm in last. Oh no.
The season long competition Big Cat 8-6 myself 8-6, PFT and Hank 6-8, Max 4-9 and 1. Max PFT went 0-2 last week, the rest of us 1-1.
4-9 and 1 Max Yeah max yeah no i haven't got a total right once all year haven't got one total right and you've been taking unders i've been going i've been i was doing mostly unders i've last week i did an over to try and combat all of my bad unders i've been terrible in your own head yep all over my own head Okay, who up first mr commenter i will take the denver broncos minus nine and a half at home against the carolina panthers okay i will take uh the miami dolphins minus three and a half at home against the arizona card I will take the Kansas City Chiefs minus nine and a half against the Raiders. I know the Chiefs don't have a great record.
I might be making this up. Do they not have a good record when they have big spreads? Big spreads, but the business.
Yeah. Patrick Mahomes taking care of business.
Come with the frog. Yeah.
We're going to handle it when we handle it. I'm going to take the Bills minus three.
I am going to take the Browns plus eight and a half. I like that pick a lot, Max.
And Jets Patriots over 41. Ah, I wanted that one.
Fuck. Sunday night football under 46 and a half.
Part of my take bowl. Let's have some fun.
Over 43 and a half in the Bears commanders. I like that.
Okay. I'll do over 40 and a half Saints chargers.
I'm going to go under 41 Jets Patriots. Three touchdowns for Devante.
No scores for the Patriots. Should we do three touchdowns in the TD Pro League? That'd be wild.
That would be wild. Okay.
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My sit-em, Brawny James. Yeah, I had him, too.
You got your photo op. You didn't even dap up LeBron on the way in.
You left him hanging. You got your picture.
You're never playing again, bud. Would have been great, though, if you had stepped in, knocked down 1-3, and the crowd goes nuts.
You check yourself out. Get ready to learn pine, buddy.
I saw a stat. He had a better plus minus than his dad, though.
Oh, shit. He almost had that.
He had one offensive rebound, I think. Skip Bayless said Michael Jordan would out intangible Bronny in one-on-one.
Oh, shit. I tend to believe it.
My sleeper? Jake Bobo. Bobo.
Bobo the clown. Bobo.
You're Bobo sexual. Bobo's going Bobo You're Bobo sexual Bobo's gonna score No DK Bobo's gonna step in on the depth shot I like it I wanted to say Put him in your lineup Put him to score Bobo time Bobo time I like it Bobo Bobo T What's up dickheads It's Gucci Danucci What's up Gucci This week I'm starting Eli Manning Elining is starting for me.
He's on the short list of 50 guys for the Hall of Fame. Eli's getting closer to the Hall of Fame.
I just want to see the bust that they designed of Eli Manning. He's got to have the mouth open.
He's got to have the hair all messed up. We need the Manning face.
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Thoughts and prayers. I thought that was going to be the one that made us rich.
It probably was. It was Wapcoin.
Yeah, Wapcoin. I liquidated all my Wapcoin at the wrong time.
They tried to do a pump and dump,

and I'm not talking about that chick that got boned by 20 guys.

My sleeper this weekend is going to be Joe Mixon.

I feel like Joe Mixon goes off.

And as inaccurately reported on part of my take on Monday,

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He was kicked out momentarily.

They brought him back. They said, you didn't do anything wrong.
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You were standing to your ground. You're welcome back in the front row.
Congrats to that guy. All right.
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My stardom is Bryce Maximus James. Because guess what? He's going to be in the NBA at some point.
I'm going to call my shot right now. Good for him.

Feels like he's going to get drafted and

get in the NBA. I don't know.
I just got

a feeling about this one. The kids earned it.

The kids earned it. My sit-em

is Zach Eadie. He

fouled out in 15 minutes. That's tough.

So everyone who watched

Zach Eadie and the Big Ten said they fucking

don't call fouls. He went

one game in the NBA and he finally called fucking fouls. It's very interesting.
Feels good. It's very interesting.
Feels real fucking good. My sleeper is J.K.
Dobbins. He's going to score.
The Chargers, all the Chargers offense. Going to score, score, score, score, score, score, score.
I love that. Charge up, J.K.
Rowling. The Bronny stuff was ridiculous.
So it was a cool moment for LeBron. Like a good, it was a good family moment for LeBron, but then everyone else had to participate in LeBron James is awesome family moment, which is fine.
You can make us, he's earned the right to like basically tell the Lakers what to do because he's been arguably the best player of all time. And you've, you've got to see like Bronny grow up from the time that LeBron was starting in the league so it's it's a cool story but to act like it's a great moment that brawny made it to the nba yeah and there there is obviously also the health scare thing with brawny last year where he like his heart stopped and so it does add to it being a cool moment for lebron for lebron for lebron but we don't have to act like brawny is an actual nba that's the big.
It's all for LeBron. Yeah.
None of this was for Bronny. I feel bad for Bronny in a weird way because, like, he knows it.
But anyone who was saying this was, like, the coolest thing they've ever seen. I thought – so when he got drafted, I was like, oh, that's a cool moment.
You know, that's fun. And I was not – I wasn't totally against all of this.
I thought that Bronny, stupidly thought, that Bronny would start the G League and would be in the G League for a while. Where it flipped for me, where I was like, this is fucking ridiculous.
Everyone just stop sucking LeBron's dick here and pretending like this is a monumental thing, is that they put him in in the first game. That was like, come on.
Yeah. First fucking game.
Do you think that the original plan was send him to the G League and then after he has one really good game, bring him up and act like he earned the right to be on the roster? If Bronny had gone to the G League and worked on his game and he's probably not talented enough to be in the NBA regardless. But say he works on his game for a year, two years.
LeBron says, I'm going to retire. LeBron's last game in the NBA.
He's like, hey, I would like my son to be on the court with me. That's an awesome moment.
That's a great moment. I actually think that even the biggest haters amongst us, if Bronny had gotten into the game, gets one shot, and he hits it, that would have been awesome, right been awesome that's an awesome moment that would have been a very cool moment it's like the the student manager getting in in the last game of a high school game and just heating up from three for no reason yeah but this was just so manufactured and not real that it just i don't know first game was just so weird to me but it is a cool moment for lebron for like it's an insanely cool for I think it's better that he played in his first game was just so weird to me.
But it is a cool moment for LeBron. For LeBron.
It's an insanely cool moment for that family. I think it's better that he played in his first game.
Well, I don't think he should have been on the roster in the first game. But you can just get it out of the way.
Because if he was in the G League, then that would be the whole story for a while. I don't know.
When is Bronny going to get called up? When is he going to get that game with LeBron? When are we going to have that moment? Now that it's out of the way, now he can just go. Yeah, maybe if you're a Bronny, I know you can't do this, but I would have said, hey, Dad, don't make me get drafted to your team.
Let me go be in the G League on another team. I agree with Max, though.
If you're going to do it, better to get it out of the way. It just seems so weird.
Yeah, it already happened. Yeah, it already happened.
The moment is already there. We would be talking about it all the time.
Like, when is it? Bronny has one good game, and they're like, oh, they're going to bring him up now. It was very funny watching him check into the game, too, seeing that Bronny is, like, probably nine inches shorter than LeBron.
It just seems so fake. That's all.
All right. I like JJ, though, pretending that he didn't know that Bronny was going to check.
Yeah. That was funny.
Yeah. All right.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is Super Bowl champion head coach, John Gruden.
Coach Gruden, thank you for joining us. Let's start with this.
Can I still call you coach? Is that still okay for us to call you coach during this interview? That's perfectly fine. Yes, sir.
Okay. All right.
So we have a ton of questions. Very excited to have you on.
Let's start with this. You're zooming in right now from the fired, what do we call it? The Fired Football Coaches Institute? It's the association.
It's the FFCA. Don't you know, man? Okay.
So the FFCA. So for people who don't know, you have set up basically a facility that looks almost like a coach's facility at a team where there's offices and different rooms.
So what exactly made you decide to start this? And what does a day-to-day look like in the FFCA? Well, when I got fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I got into Monday Night Football. I needed a place to go and study and put all my game plans and my servers and memorabilia.
So I bought a building and it's kind of taken off from there, but we bring in a lot of coaches, players, college players, pro players. We collaborate on football, study football.
And during the season, we have a routine during the off season. We have a routine.
And right now we're just grinding, getting ready for next week's games. So I love that.
so i love that so yeah so you're basically uh not coaching but you're going through the motions of what a coach would do every single week i that's that's perfect that's exactly right i have two servers i think i'm the only human being that has these servers where you can put cut-ups from years past you can continue to make cut-ups from last week's games, offensive cut-ups, defensive cut-ups, blocking scheme, red zone, you name it. And when the players start coming in in the offseason, I have everything ready to go, and we can start analyzing and studying things specifically.
That's so cool. That sounds like a great setup that you guys have down there.
So you're grinding the tape. You're going through it like you would an actual coach.
Do you have like a staff? Is there a hierarchy of like who's the head fired football coach? Well, I'm the head man here. I pay the bills.
So if you pay the electricity, you know, you get the big desk. I got the big room here, but I have my assistant, Jeff Leonardo, who was with me at Monday night with me with the Raiders.
He's my only full-time employee. I can't afford a full staff right now, but we're working hard, man.
We're on our way back and we're eager for that next opportunity down the road. So your YouTube channel, Gruden Loves Football, I love it because it's you talking into the camera and getting sweaty, getting really intense.
And I don't know how much of it you put on as an act, but I choose to believe that it's 100% authentic, that you're sitting there in the dark watching quarterback film and you're just sweating, thinking about how good they are. Is that fair? It's pretty much accurate.
I love to do three or four games a week. And I think to do a decent job, you've got to study every team's offense and every team's defense.
You got to study the matchups. You got to look at the red zone, short yardage, goal line, two minute drill.
You got to look at the rotation of players, the injury list. And what it does is it keeps me on schedule, keeps me up to breast as to who's doing what in the NFL, where personnel is going, who's emerging, who's declining, and it's stimulating.
I love it. And the channel's name, Gruden Loves Football, is about as accurate as you can call it.
Because I still do love the game, even though I don't have a team. We love guys who love football.
I mean, we love football, too. Sometimes football doesn't love us back, but we absolutely love guys who love football, and I think you fit the bill more than anybody.
Yeah. Well, you guys do too.
I love watching your show. You guys are a little bit more harsh, a little bit more critically honest than me, but I love it, man.
I absolutely love it. Some of the things that you guys say, I kind of say behind closed doors sometimes.
Yeah. I think it's mutual.
We got a lot in common. So you something there that uh I want to go back to uh you said next opportunity are you actively trying to get back into coaching because I would we would love to see you back on a sideline uh how's that process going and is it NFL is it college or is it whoever's going to give you that next opportunity yeah I try not to over analyze it I just try to I just try to stay ready and be ready to go if if that opportunity does arise i know this i'll be ready to go but in the meantime i'm having a blast i really am i uh i enjoy what i'm doing i've had a chance to spend some time with my wife see a little bit of the sights and i've even got my golf game now where it's pretty competitive so i like that okay.
Okay. All right.
Are you still waking up at 317 in the morning every day? I'm a little bit later than that, but it's four o'clock in the morning. I like to get in and get out.
I like to have a day left when I get out of work. I like to come in here when there's nobody up, nobody's around.
I can pound the film for four or five hours, get a workout and go do something else. That's great.
So let's talk about the NFL right now. What are, what are some of the big picture trends that you're seeing? I know you're not a fan of the RPO game, uh, and, and the clapping cadence.
I read that. What, what, what's your gripe with that? And, and, and what do you think, you know, is missing in today's NFL? Well, I don't like passing plays with the offensive line run blocking.
I don't like seeing quarterbacks getting their ass knocked off because of this ridiculous protection offense that I'm watching. That's what RPO stands for me.
I mean, when you blitz a run play, the quarterback gets rocked. And some of these hits and some of these injuries that quarterbacks are getting running the ball.
It makes me sick.

I just saw another kid in Washington get hurt yesterday. But anyways, I try to look at the RPO game.
I don't want to see Friday night offense in high school all day Saturday and then see it on Sunday. I want to see these NFL quarterbacks drop back to pass, throw an array of routes with different route trees and audibles.
I want to see a professional style of pass offense. I don't want to see the Friday, Saturday night football.
Yeah. So which quarterback right now do you think fits that mold the best? Who's playing at the top of their game? Man, I don't even think it's close.
I did a thing with the Detroit Lions last week. I think Jared Goff is starting to look like Joe Montana to me.
He plays with continuous movement. He completes almost every single pass.
He's tough as hell. He has continuity in the same system.
He knows and anticipates what plays are going to be called. They move the ball around, man.
They throw it to the tight end, both backs. They throw it to all these different receivers.
They have a real impressive balanced offense, but I don't even think it's close. I got Goff way up there on my list.
Yeah, he's been on fire. And he's interesting because he was okay in LA.
He was not a bad quarterback for the Rams. And then you've seen that they kind of cast him aside.
They said they wanted somebody who can win them a Super Bowl. They got Stafford.
Goff goes up to Detroit, kind of forgotten about. And then he gets better and better as the years go on.
And it's just kind of a reminder that not always, you know, you can't take a 23-year-old and say, like, this is the peak of their ability. They're going to continue to improve.
So how do you do that? How do you weigh that as a coach, saying we've got this guy who's supposed to be really good, all the physical tools, but he's just not getting it done when he's 23, 24 years old. How do you get through that spot and give that guy another chance or a chance to improve until like their late 20s, early 30s? Well, I was shocked that they traded golf personally.
I wasn't on board with that trade. Not mean, not only did they trade Goff, they traded three first rounders with Goff.
And I see where the Lions are now, and I see where the Rams are now. And right now, I'd rather be with Detroit.
But, you know, Goff did take them to the Super Bowl. And Bill Belichick and the Patriot defense did a great job playing that 4-3 defense with they hadn't shown a lot during the season, and they stymied the Rams.
And I know Matt Stafford's got a cannon, and I love watching him wing it. But obviously, the longevity, the mobility of Stafford now isn't what it was three years ago.
But I would have hung in there with Goff personally. He's a grade-A guy.
He's smart as hell. He's a great great competitor and he's young.
And it's hard to depart with a quarterback that has that much upside and future, in my opinion. Yeah.
So it's a good point. Obviously, the Rams won a Super Bowl, but they did trade a lot of first round picks and, you know, a little bit mortgage, a little bit of the future.
You, for people who don't know, because, you know, we have fans that maybe were very very young at the time you were traded from the Raiders to the Bucs for a haul like it's actually shocking to look at because I don't think that would happen in today's NFL when you got traded what was it it was two first round picks right and it was some it was some more picks on top of that did you when that happened when that all went down was there a part of you like this might bite me in the ass going down the line because I'm going to Tampa which is a great team won a Super Bowl but I'm also hurting myself four or five years down the line because we're giving up all these picks to the Raiders where I'm leaving yeah I mean that was brutal I mean we won the Super Bowl our first year we a hell of a defense. Our offense came around.
But, you know, when the season is over and you got to get ready for the draft and you don't have a first-round pick and then, whoops, you don't have a second-round pick, and then you don't have a first-round pick or a second-round pick the next year, that's tough when you see the Saints bringing in Drew Brees and Jeremy Shockey and the Falcons are bringing in Michael Turner and Tony Gonzalez and John Abram. And people forget at that time, Carolina was a pain in the ass, man.
They had Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker and Steve Smith and Moose and Muhammad, two great backs. They represented the NFC in the Super Bowl.
So, yeah, you're that was a tough time when you sacrifice that much uh draft capital it can bat it can come back and bite you pretty good yeah it's it's pretty shocking to look back at it it was two first rounds two second rounds and eight million dollars like that that wouldn't happen in today's NFL I feel like teams are a lot more protective of their picks, and the way to get better is through the draft.

But that defense and that Super Bowl team was incredible,

and flags fly forever.

Where would you rank your Bucs defense in terms of all-time defenses?

Because you guys were an absolute wrecking crew.

Four Hall of Famers, maybe a fifth if you want to say Simeon Rice,

could eventually end up

there. Where do you rank them though in all-time defenses? Well, selfishly, I'd rank them very high.
I try not to get into all the nostalgia. I mean, I don't know the 75 Steelers, the Dolphins, the 17 and 0 Dolphins.
I mean, you don't know those teams, the Chicago Bears, the 85 Bears. Unbelievable.
We lost to the Ravens in the AFC Championship game when I was with Oakland.

They were really good. But what we did with that defense, guys, is we scored touchdowns on defense.
I knew we had a hell of a defense. We didn't have a hell of a team when I got to Tampa.
We had a hell of a defense. And we challenged the defense.
If you're that good, why don't you start scoring touchdowns? I mean, pick up the ball and run it back for a touchdown. Don't just intercept the ball, get a block and score.
And I challenged them. This is no kidding.
I said, Hey, I want nine touchdowns. And it really pissed them off.
They're like, who the hell is this guy coming in here telling us to score nine touchdowns? And I'll never forget this when Dwight Smith intercepted Gannon for the last time in the Super Bowl, ran it back. Warren Sapp grabbed me and he said, you want nine touchdowns? There's number nine.
They scored nine touchdowns. But I think that's what really separated us from other defenses is not only did we stop the run and were really tough against the

pass, but we scored touchdowns. Yeah, I love that.
You spoke it into existence. You said,

I believe you can get nine, and in the back of their head, they might have subconsciously

believed you the entire time. That's pretty crazy.
So when you were on the Bucs, you had

Mike Allstott, one of our favorite players of all time, and I believe John Lynch was your safety

at the time. Did you have a rule in practice that they weren't allowed to hit each other? Yeah, I tried to make sure those two guys didn't hit each other because I wanted to save those hits for Sunday.
But we had a lot of etiquette rules, and we tried to enforce them probably harder than I ever had done before because it was so competitive. This was an alpha defensive team who had taken great pride in punishing the offense twice a day in training camp and throughout the offseason.
But when I got there, we had to make sure they stay away from the quarterback and we try to protect each other. And that's pretty common around the league yeah i i got a uh this is a question from our our friend uh steven che who's a diehard bucks fan who loves you uh he wanted he wanted me to have you i'm gonna read a play call out to you and he wants you to to explain exactly what it means some real football nitty-gritty stuff uh Green, right, X, shift to Viper, 382, X, stick, Lukey.

X, stick, Lukey.

Lukey. nitty-gritty stuff uh green right x shift to viper 382 x stick lukey it's x stick lucky lucky lucky lucky green right x x was a tag that switched the z and the x so mccardle and keishon johnson would switch sides so green was the backfield set it was an eye formation green right x our two When we shifted to Viper right, Viper, our empty backfield sets were named after snakes at that time.
So we had Cobra, Viper, Python. We had a lot of different reptiles and snakes, you see.
But it was green right, X, shift to Viper right, and it was 380 or 382 at that time, which was the protection x stick was on one side and looky was on the other it was a pick aside play for the quarterback but green right x shift to viper right 382 x stick looky the only guy that ever had a hard time calling that play was chris sims and unfortunately they caught me on video getting ticked off about it well yeah you basically you basically reinvented algebra just in in the name of football plays they get they get like so long but you are a math guy I remember I saw a video you can count backwards by threes from any number no I could do it by four I can go forward better than backward but I don't have a lot of intelligence I will say this when I did Monday Night Football for nine years I studied different terminologies I grew up in Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren's 49er West Coast system which is very wordy at times but for the six or seven years the last six or seven years I started studying new terminologies new ways to streamline it so we could get out of the huddle and be quicker. And our new terminology that we had with the Raiders those last couple

years, new terminologies, new ways to streamline it so we could get out of the huddle and be quicker.

And our new terminology that we had with the Raiders

those last couple years, if you get with Darren Waller

or Hunter Renfro or Derek Carr,

it was a lot easier to say, I do believe.

Yeah, yeah.

Because sometimes they do, it sounds like they go on

for like five seconds of the play clock.

I'm like, we need to shorten this down a little bit,

get up to the line of scrimmage.

You were talking about the RPOs, how you don't like that new evolution of the game. Is there something in the game, like a new wrinkle that you're looking at and you're saying, hey, this is actually really cool.
I think that this actually has a future. Well, don't get me wrong.
I think the RPOs are great until you see a lot of man coverage or you start seeing some blitzing because your quarterback has to hold the ball and sometimes the protection breaks down. But I like tempo.
I like change of speeds. I like the no huddle offense.
Don't get me wrong. And I do like having three different tempo speeds where you have maybe 15 or 20 words in every game plan.
Or say the word man you say Tina Turner or you say Bruce Springsteen and that means everything formation play everything and we're gone man before you could even say PTI it's gone I mean we're playing fast and then we get up there we might slow the tempo down use a dummy count and try to read the defense's mail a little bit then we might use some motions maybe two or three motions and milk it all the way down to six seconds to try to get into the perfect play and take advantage of that coach to quarterback walkie-talkie but I love the teams that change speeds I'm very interested in Seattle with this Grubbs cat from Washington. I think they're doing some of this.

And they tore Atlanta up the other day, and I think they're kind of on the cutting edge of what I'm talking about in terms of changing up the speeds to keeping these defensive coordinators off balance. You know, these defensive guys, they have a hard time calling plays until they know what personnel is on the field.
And I give the defensive guys a hard time because they're not as smart and intelligent as us offensive guys. So the more we can screw with these guys in terms of changing speeds and changing personnel, the more you can have success.
So you mentioned Seattle. is there another offense that you've watched the tape of and you're like, they're doing something different and special and watch out for these guys? Because I love whenever a coach comes on and tells us that, like, hey, this is what we're not seeing right now.
They may not be the best team in the league, but what they're doing is something that's different that everyone's going to eventually probably copy. Well, I went up to Kansas City and spent five or six days with the Chiefs in training camp.
Andy's a good friend of mine, and they afforded me that opportunity. I just think the way that they practice, the way that they work behind the scenes, they're on the cutting edge, and they have been able to adapt to so many incredible, I mean, incredible changes on their offense.
Left tackle, they're playing a rookie. They lose Pacheco.
They lose their receivers. I mean, it's amazing what they've been able to accomplish as they reinvent their offense.
But I always love watching them. And I like watching Kyle Shanahan's stuff on first and second down.
I think their run and play action pass marries together really good I enjoy watching that and I like LaFleur honestly up in Green Bay and I've been you know keeping some tabs on Houston a little bit too here lately although they kind of disappointed me yesterday late in the game yeah yeah what was it so so about that Houston like they have all the talent in the world CJ C.J. Stroud is a very good quarterback, but it has looked clunky at times.
Offensive line has not been great. Let me actually ask you this.
What do you do when your offensive line is not great? How do you fix it in season? Knowing you can't get help from free agency, you can't probably get a trade because offensive linemen don't get traded like that. What is a fix from a coaching perspective for an offensive line that's getting your quarterback killed? Man, it's hard.
It's very hard. When you lose some linemen, I'm watching the Norland Saints, they've lost four or five linemen.
It's hard to call plays, hard to run block, hard to pass protect. The way we have to practice, guys, that's what ticks me off as a coach.
I fought a little bit with people behind the scenes about not being able to wear pads during training camp or not being able to pad it up twice a week during practice. I'm not talking about every period, but being able to go out there and work on some stunt pickups, some one-on-one pickup with pass protection.
You know, when you just think you're going to go out there in shorts and have a walkthrough and have eight or nine, you know, stunts in shorts pickup, and then go out there and pick up Micah Parsons screaming any A-gap, you're whistling zippity-doo dials your butt. You know what I mean? So pass protection is falling apart right now, I think, because of the way we're practicing.
And the injuries that are occurring now, I've never seen before. I've never seen so many big guys miss time.
I remember certain seasons where linemen never missed a snap. Yeah.
Yeah. So when you're watching this tape, obviously you're an offensive guy and your eye goes to the offense.
I like to also think that you still have that football coach mentality where you see a great defensive player and you actually get scared watching him. You're like, oh, shit, this guy's going to give me nightmares.
I'm going to wake up tomorrow and think about Micah Parsons. Is there anybody else in the NFL right now that has that effect on you where you watch them and you're like, I'm really glad I don't have to coach against this guy? Well, my favorite players, I don't know where I stand.
I love Micah Parsons when he plays. I mean, his motor's insane.
You know, I really like guys like Fred Warner of the 49ers. I got a lot of respect for him, how he plays the game.
Chris Jones, Bosa. I'm talking about Nick Bosa in San Francisco.
Those guys are incredible players. And I do like the two inside linebackers of the Chiefs if you ever get a chance to watch Tranquil and Bolton they'll kick your ass man and they know what they're doing and they cover for each other they're great communicators and right now they just don't make any missed tackles they're sure tackling guys but Buda Baker in Arizona is one of my favorite players.
I love watching him play. I like this Mafia guy, Mafia out in Seattle.
Yeah. I didn't know much about him until I started studying these Seahawks.
Dexter Lawrence is the one guy though, I would say that is probably the one guy we would struggle with the most. If you don't have a guard, if you don't have a center, you're in trouble against the Giants because that guy's pretty good, man.
Yeah. And what about Gruden Grinders? Are you still awarding Gruden Grinders? Yeah.
Yeah, we do. We try to pick five Gruden Grinders in college and five or six in the pros every week.
And we try to pick, you know, the Gruden Grinder criteria. You got to be an off-the-radar kind of guy.

You got to be a teamwork kind of guy, versatile, smart, tough, mentally tough guy that's clutch.

So we're always looking for Gruden grinders. Do you have like a number one Gruden grinder in the NFL right now?

Well, right now it'd be hard to say.

It's only seven games into the season.

But, you know, the little running back in Tampa, this Bucky Irving, he's starting to really fire me up. You know, this guy, he's starting to catch the ball better.
He's picking up blitzes a little bit better. And if he hangs on to the ball, I know he had that big fumble against Atlanta, but if he hangs on to the rock, he's going to be on my old Gruden grinder team.
It's also fun to say Bucky Irving. It's just a good name.
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It's called the Low Man Trophy. And we've got some guys who are playing the NFL now.
Hunter Lepke won it. He's on the Cowboys, Alec Ingold on the Dolphins.
So we're trying to shine some lights on the guys that probably aren't getting a lot of publicity. Well, we had Alec Ingold.
I coached Alec in the senior bowl when he was coming out of Wisconsin. We signed Alec and I don't know why the Raiders let him go, but he's a poor man's use check.
Use check is my favorite fullback of all. The things that he does in San Francisco, it's insane, man.
He's whamming the nose tackle. He's reaching the defensive end.
I like him. I like the big guy in Baltimore, too, this Patrick Ricard.
Yeah. And I know Harbaugh down in Los Angeles, Chargerland, is trying to duplicate it with that Maddox guy they got out of Boise State.
Yeah. Alec Engold is certainly pretty good.
I think he'll benefit when Tua comes back to play quarterback so they can become a little bit more pro style. Yeah, probably.
So you mentioned the Harbaugh's. Is there any sibling rivalry between the Grudens and the Harbaugh's? No, not really.
I don't think so. We never really crossed paths much with the Harbaugh's.
Coach Harbaugh came to the Raiders after I left, and I did get a chance to spend some time with John Harbaugh

and Todd Monk in this offseason here at the FFCA.

So if you get those guys on your show, you can even ask them.

They were here representing the Ravens.

Yeah, the Harbaugh's, they're good friends of ours.

I was wondering who would win in a fight between the two sets of brothers.

I'm not messing with Jim Harbaugh. John Harbaugh, you've seen that guy lately? He looks like he lives in the weight room.
I'm good friends with Tom Crean also, and Tom Crean, the great basketball coach. Now, I think he's at ESPN still, but he married Harbaugh's sister.
So it's quite a coaching family that they have. And I'm excited to watch the Harbaugh Raven team come in here tonight they play the Bucks here in Tampa what about what about the Ryan brothers do we have any beef with the Ryan brothers because we just love we love just making up beef where it's brothers coaching brother two duos going up against each other no not really you know Rex kicked my ass when he was with the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC championship game.
He had, they had quite a defense, but I never really got to coach against Rex more than that. I think that one time and Rob is still with the Raiders.
My son Deuce is still with the Raiders. He's one of the strength coaches down there.
And if you know Rex or Rob Ryan, you know, those guys are great, man. They are fun.
I got to go visit the Jets when Rex was the head coach. He let me come out there when I was doing Monday Night Football.
We spent about three days out there. What a staff they had with Mike Westhoff and Mike Pettin.
You know, just a heck of a group of guys. We really enjoyed that.
Yeah, we're big fans of your son, Deuce. We've met him a couple times.
He just, whenever we see him, he's an accomplished weightlifter. What's his weightlifting routine these days? I mean, he feels like he just loves football as much as you, and he just found a way into the game through the strength and conditioning.
Well, he played football at Lafayette in Pennsylvania, and he's a running back, and he wanted to be a strength coach. He won the world

champion powerlifting meet. My wife and I flew to Belarus, if you can believe that.
He won the strongest man in the world, 180 pound guy with the bench press, the squat and the deadlift, but he still lifts. I remember one time I was down there with the Raiders and Richie Incognito was our strongest player.

And Richie had a hard time getting the 455 pounds off his chest because in power lifting, it's by commands. It's down.
I don't know what the commands are. They say press.
So you have to do it from a complete negative. And I remember Deuce knocking up about 455 and Incognito struggling and all the players giving Richie a hard time it was it was pretty cool but he still lifts he still trains and I think he's hoping to get back into the competitive part of it yeah we saw him out in out in LA this year and he looks just as strong as ever so his name's not Deuce though it's John did you and you called him Deuce because he's John the second well that, that was what everybody thinks.
When I was coaching for the Green Bay Packers, Sterling Sharp was our best player. He was our receiver.
I coached the receivers, and Sterling wore number two at South Carolina. Everybody called him Deuce.
I said, that's a pretty cool name. So I started thinking, you know, John David II, Sterling Sharp.
I really named him him after Sterling Sharp to be honest with you um he was a hell of a player you guys should help get him in the hall of fame it's too bad he got hurt yeah yeah no he was a incredible in his career cut short uh speaking of your time in Green Bay and all your travels uh you were on well part of that coaching staff that had a bunch of head coaches come out of that in the mid-90s Packers. In terms of your coaching tree, you got guys like Mike Tomlin, Raheem Morris, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan.
Do you find yourself rooting extra hard for guys that you are under your tree, so to speak? Pretty much. I mean, if it's one of the guys I know against one of the guys that you know, I'm rooting for my guy.

Yeah. What is it about Mike Tomlin? I have a question about him because he just, it's so consistent.

And every year it feels like the Steelers are in the same spot where, you know, teams discount them and say they got no chance.

And then he always just, he has a competitive team year in, year out.

What is it with Mike Tomlin that has that special sauce that he's always able to get the most out of his team? I think number one, he's a great communicator. He's a great motivator and he's very consistent and he's not a basket case.
He doesn't come in different one day and different than next. People believe in them.
They trust them. And, um, he knows what he's talking about.
He's also in a superior organization. You know, they have had a great organization from top to bottom, and I think he really allows people to do their thing.
And he's not one of these abrasive guys. He's just a great communicator.
He's a very smart football guy. He knows how to use people and their talents.
And he's been very good at delegating when he has to delegate. And he's been very good at taking the chalk and saying, here's what we're doing.
And there's a fine line to that, I think, being a great coach. He's overcome the loss of a lot of different offensive coordinators.
And now he's putting it together without Ben Roethlisberger, which a lot of people thought he would struggle doing. But I think it's a credit to his imagination, his creativity, his people skills, and nobody's a better competitor than Tomlin.
He's a guy that'll fight you till the end, whether you want to fight or not. Yeah, and it does feel like history has been kind to Mike Tomlin in the fact that he's had locker rooms with some big personalities that have gone other places.
And you're like, how did Tomlin keep that together? Did you call Coach Tomlin when Antonio Brown came to your team and you're like, hey, what do I do here? Because it did feel like he was able to push the right buttons with A.B. And maybe teams after that weren't able to find all the right buttons.
Well, you know what? That was probably one of the more disappointing things that I had to go through as a coach. I studied Antonio when I went and watched the Steelers practice when I was doing Monday night football.
I know Butch Jones, who coached Antonio in college. And the work ethic, the practice etiquette, the conditioning of this man, the route running, good God.
He came to our minicamp and he put on a display. When he was on the grass for us, I really thought we were going to win every game.
I thought we were going to complete every pass. He is a certified badass when it comes to running routes.
I just think he got later in life and he found some different interests. And I don't know what happened, but I did have some brief conversations with Mike, obviously, along the way.
And, you know, I just had hope that putting him in our locker room with some of the veteran leadership that we had, I thought maybe we could really help him take off and take his game to even another level. But you got to put that on me.
It just didn't work out. What were the updates like for you during that? It felt like two weeks of just chaos.
Was there somebody that would come in your office and say, Sir, Antonio Brown has just arrived in a hot air balloon? He's frozen his foot off. Sir, Antonio Brown doesn't like his helmet.
Sir, Well, you know what? The NFL was so kind, they put us on hard knocks.

Yeah. in a hot air balloon.
He's frozen his foot off. Sir, Antonio Brown doesn't like his helmet.
Sir, you know what? The NFL was so kind, they put us on hard knocks. So, you know, we had some characters on that team.
We had Richie Incognito and Antonio and Vontaze Burfecht. And we really had a great group of guys, but I'd never heard of cryotherapy.
I don't know if you guys have heard of it, but evidently he burned his feet doing cryotherapy. And I'd never had a player show up on a hot air balloon before.
I was excited about that, but everything was different. The helmet we had an issue with.
And unfortunately it just did not work out. We never really got to spend enough time together to build a relationship.
And that's what I regret the most. I felt had we been able to be around each other, maybe a little bit more, perhaps it would have worked out.
Yeah. You were talking about good organizations like the Steelers.
You've coached for some good organizations. Your brother, Jay, I'll just say he hasn't been as lucky with some of the organizations that he's worked for in the past and the leadership.
But from the top down, like, what does that look like if you're a head coach and the difference between just a good organization with stable ownership and a bad organization? Like, what are the day to day implications and things that come up when you have to deal with just a team that might not have it all together? Well, I think that's a great question. I think it all starts with communication and knowledge.
I think the owner that really, or the owner that hires people that really are on top

of the league, the matchups, the rules, the playing rules, the scheduling, there's so many details.

The financial piece of this and hiring a staff, the facilities, there's a million things that

Thank you. There's so many details, the financial piece of this and hiring a staff, the facilities.
There's a million things that you need to address. And to have an owner who's around perhaps enough to stay on top of all these issues and really have a competitive edge about it, if you know what I mean.
I think those are the places that really are a cut above. Yeah.
In the early 2010s, the NFL Network did a top 100 NFL players of all time. You had Jerry Rice's number one of all time.
Is that still the case? Yeah, that would be for me. I mean, I was telling somebody the other day that the thing that Jerry Rice, you know, you hear about some of these receivers now, you know, their stats and all this.
Jerry Rice never caught a bubble screen. I don't know if Jerry Rice caught three quick screens either.
He didn't want those routes. He was running patterns, man.
And the greatest thing about Jerry Rice is I really believe he loved the misery. 37, 38 years old, whenever it was, when he came to the Raiders to play opposite Tim Brown, his body didn't feel good.
He was sore as hell. He was tired.
He was beat up. We were behind.
We weren't getting in the ball enough. They were rotating coverage to him.
And that's when he kicked your ass. That's when he played his best.
When he was miserable, that's when Jerry Rice was the hardest to stop. And I think that's what separates the great ones from the really good ones is their ability to go out there and just lay it down, man, when they're not at their best.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a great pick for best player of all time.
He was incredible. And you've been around enough football.
I mean, you love football so much, you created like a synthetic football team in South Florida that you guys can study tape on. You clearly love football.
You're a football guy through and through. You've been around so many great coaches.
Who is the top football guy? And he might not be the best coach. Might not be the best coach that you would think of, but one guy that just breathes and shits football you're talking about living yeah man that's that's that's a good question i uh question i'm going to bloomington indiana this week to find out the best what the hell's going on with the best story in all of football that's the indiana hoosiers yeah this signetti guy signetti.
Mm-hmm. Signetti, he takes James Madison.
He's undefeated at James Madison, or 12-1. Indiana's 7-0, man.
They just beat Nebraska 56-7. Yeah.
And I heard this guy absolutely loves it. I'm going to try to sneak into practice or sneak around to walk through and find out.
But there are so many guys that love it. To try to rank them right now,

I would say that would be tough. Sean McVay, I think, loves it.
Just after working with Sean,

I know how hard he works. Mike Tomlin's one of the guys that loves it.
I think Tomlin would do it for free, to be honest with you. But I can't say.
I think Bill Walsh was the number one guy

I was ever around. Al Davis would be right up there because of their 24-7, year-round-the-clock passion for it.
Do you ever give Sean McVay shit? Because over the years, he's changed his voice a little bit to try to sound more like you. No.
They got to start winning some games because since that Super Bowl, I know people quote my one lost record after we won the Super Bowl. Ah, it ain't worth the shit.
You know, they got to get back in gear, get back to that Super Bowl, I know people quote my one lost record after we won the Super Bowl.

It ain't worth the shit.

They got to get back in gear and get back to that Super Bowl and win it.

Do you think Sean has gotten a little too pretty with the facial hair being perfect

and the perfect hair and he looks like he put on some muscle?

Do you think he's gotten too pretty?

Probably.

All these guys nowadays, they have beards.

I still can't grow a beard, but all these coaches. I saw Shanahan on TV the other day.
He had a beard. Tomlin's got a big old beard down there on the field.
I like to clean shave. When I was Bobby Knight's ball boy, when I was a kid, you had to have hair above the ear.
You had to have clean facial hair. I don't like all these beards and even mike mccarthy mike and i worked together at the university of pittsburgh even he's got a big old beard now so i don't know what the hell kind of style's going on with these coaches yeah what are they trying to hide with that beard wait you were bobby knight's ball boy i was my dad coached at indiana for league corso when i was a kid and bobby knight's son tim and i were best friends so i was one of the ball boys for the hoosiers we were 33 and oh by the way 32 and 1 quinn buckner scotty may kent benson i i got to be uh the ball boy for the red team i love it the backup players and tim was the he was the ball boy for the starters and they would kick the red team's ass so coach knight would come in and he would lay some syllables down that i had never heard before so how old were you when this was happening dude i was 10 i was 11 years old 12 years old 10 11 and 12 that's incredible would bobby knight ever get mad at you for uh your ball boy technique would he ever be like what the hell are you doing over there Gruden uh he might get mad uh you know my hair was probably over my ears for one of the bus trips I think that's the only time he got on my case so so what point in when you were growing up did you know that you wanted to be a coach was it was it as early as you know 10 11 12 you're like, this is for me.
I love this. I pretty much knew in high school, my dad was coaching at Notre Dame.
Joe Montana was our quarterback and we were beating people, man. And that fight song and going to those Notre Dame games was great.
And I kind of realized, you know what? I'm not going to be an NFL player. I'm not good enough.
I was a backup quarterback at university at date and, uh, being around that Notre Dame locker room, those kids, the kind of guys that they had, the fact they were winning the tradition. I knew I wanted to do it when I was a junior in high school.
And, uh, that's probably why I wasn't a great student. And, um, but at least I found my passion and my mom and dad encouraged me to go for it wait so at Dayton what was your record uh what was your team's record against San Diego we know we know that that's a big rivalry uh we were with coach Harbaugh during training camp and he there's a story that he created a rivalry flag uh without even telling Dayton that he was doing it and so after they beat him one year they were just like this is, this is our flag now.
And the Dayton coach was like, what do you mean? We didn't – you just created that? And that's – he wanted to juice up the rivalry. But how did you guys do against San Diego? Well, that was before we were in that conference.
We did not play San Diego. But the funny thing about San Diego is when I was coaching for the Bucs, there was a quarterback at San Diego I kind of liked.
So I called Harbaugh. He said, hell yeah, he's pretty good.
So we drafted him, Tampa Bay, in the fifth round, and a sucker's still playing. His name is Josh Johnson.
He's played for about 25 years. I think he's played for every team in the league now.
And that's unbelievable, isn't it? Yeah, that is. What is it, though? I love Josh Johnson.
He seems like a good guy. You wouldn't get all these jobs if you were a bad dude.
He's obviously a professional. Coaches like him.
Teammates like him. Why hasn't a guy like that been able to stick around with one team? I don't think he throws it personally.
I don't think he throws it consistently great. I think when you go watch him, you're like, what the hell's wrong with your – he has a nice throwing motion.
He has a good arm. Don't get me wrong, but it's not a pretty spiral.
It's not always accurate, but you know what? Every time I see him in a game, the guy comes alive when the lights are on, man. He's really something.
He's a gamer. I think he's a guy that can survive on a few reps.
He probably just lacks the talent, the elite talent to be an everyday starter. Yeah.
I just feel like a backup quarterback like that, that's proven that they can be a good backup, even an emergency guy that you put in, that guy should have a job as a backup on a consistent team. Yeah.
He still has a job right now. I mean, he's still in the league.
And matter of fact, when Jay was coaching, I think, his last year in Washington, they got decimated. Alex Smith got hurt.
Haskins got hurt. Colt McCoy got hurt.
They brought in Sanchez, I think. And they ended up signing Josh Johnson, and he played really good.
The games he got in. Yeah.
So what about you, Coach? Do you have a coach? Have you been at the top of your own coaching hierarchy for a while, and you't have somebody that's barking orders at you and screaming at you? Well, my wife, you should see how that's going, fellas. I mean, she's tough.
My wife, she cheered at Tennessee. That's where I met her.
She's five feet tall. She's a cute little gal and she's running the show now.
I'm just, I'm doing my best, man. I'm trying to reinvent myself as a more productive assistant around the house, but she's dancing.
She's a ballroom dancer for Fred Astaire and she dances really well and she dances with these really handsome guys. I'm just kind of over here cleaning the house, jealous.
Is there ever a moment when you're getting up at four in the morning to go into your facility where she has to be like, hey, John, you're not on a team right now. You don't have to go in at 4 a.m.
That happens a lot. It happens a lot.
I mean, Butch Jones brought some of the Arkansas State guys down, and Dalla Loggins from South Carolina brought a couple of the game-cut coaches over. And I still look at it like it's the last thing in life, man.
Just the opportunity to help somebody get better. That's what this game has always been for me.
You just love bringing in a guy and have him play better for you than he did for the other guy. There's something that really fires me up about that.
And, you know, when you study something all off season and you can help somebody and you see him use it in a game and have success with it, that's awesome. Was Rich Gannon the quintessential guy that you just described? Because obviously he, you know, he was not like lighting the world on fire and then you got your hands on him and he had some great seasons.
Yeah. Again, it was unbelievable, man.
I mean, he, he single-handedly, I think turned that franchise around. I got a lot of credit for some of the good things that happened, but his attitude, uh, his desire to be great.
He'd walk in the office and say, what do you got for me? Coach me, give me some. I mean, he needed tip sheets and the more control we gave him at the line of scrimmage, the more plays, you know, the more personnel groupings, the better he played.
The more we asked him to do, I told him one day, I said, one of these days, Rich, you're going to get on the plane and you're going to hit me right in the chest and say, wait till you see this film. We didn't waste one play.
And I remember one year we played up in Kansas city and we got after their ass. I was sitting in the front of the plane, having a cold beer.
I was so happy. Gannon walked back toward the plane.
He thumped me right on the chest. He goes, take a look at that film.
He loved, he relished, um, supreme execution. I mean, he was so into that.
And if he audible to a play where we had four on three, or we were on a fast break, we had numbers, or he audibled for Tim Brown against their weak link corner and we didn't get it done, he'd be pissed off for a week. You know what I mean? Yeah.
He was just into that. He was anally competitive, and I absolutely loved every minute of coaching that guy.

Yeah.

Is there a guy that you've had – I know, obviously, when you coach guys,

you coach them hard.

That's kind of your style.

You're going to yell at everybody.

You're going to get in everybody's face.

How do you know when there's a guy that maybe can't take as much pushing

as you want to give him, and then do you dial it back,

or are you just like, this guy can't play for me?

Yeah, I really – I don't yell at everybody. I never never yelled at Jerry Rice I really didn't yell at Tim Brown I'm not going to yell at Steve Wisniewski or you know Barrett Robbins or something I don't yell a lot of these guys a lot of it's encouraging sarcasm I try to piss you off one day I try to stir the pot you know what I mean guys I try to you guys laugh, say something that really make you laugh.
And I'll try to tick you off the next day. And then I might try to fire you up.
Might even try to well you up one day with a teary-eyed little comment or something. But I like guys that are emotionally into it, genuine enthusiasm, and consistently there while we're out there.
I just can't stand going through the motions with these dull, boring meetings and lackluster practices. They drove me nuts.
Yeah. So how do you stir it up? If you're going through a lackluster meeting, if you've been walking around the building, things are just kind of boring.
What's your plan? What's your go-to? Do you have like a book that you look up? You're like football coach tricks. Do you get on the phone with somebody? Do you talk to another coach or do you just have like creative energy to come up with something weird? Well, creativity has always, I think, been part of being a good teacher.
You know, you don't just run the same play from the same formation with the same drills. You got to mix it up.
And I believe in analogies a lot. I would make videos, you know, talking about competitiveness might have a, I don't know.
I might have a leopard, I might have a leopard taking a drink out of a puddle of water and have some alligator come out of the where is snatch that freaking alley and snatch that guy right there for a snack, you know? You're not competing for dinner, man. You ain't competing.
But just stupid analogies. Having fun with these guys, demonstrations, whatever it may be, using the social media world.
There's some unbelievable things. If you have a video guy on your staff or you have somebody that's helping you put together analogies that are relative to the team you're playing or to the guy you're coaching, the players loved it and they appreciated it, I think, deep down somewhere.
Yeah. All right.
So this has been awesome, Coach. I got a couple last questions for you.
The first is, so I'm a Bears fan, PFT is a Commanders fan, and our producer Hank's a Patriots fan. What have you seen from the rookie quarterbacks through, you know, limited sample size, but how are you feeling about Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Drake May going forward? Did those franchises get the right guy? I really like the kid in Chicago, Caleb Williams.

I think they got to protect him better, you know,

against good defenses and obvious passing situations.

I'm hoping he starts to do a little bit more at the line of scrimmage,

fixing protections, getting out of certain protections

when he knows there's a blitz coming that they can't pick up.

And I think that'll help him big time moving forward. But his ability to throw the ball from awkward deliveries, his accuracy.
I want to see Williams when the weather gets shitty up there in Chicago, though. Yeah.
That, to me, is going to be really important because, you know, having coached for the Green Bay Packers, I'm telling you, it is cold, man. It's hard to throw a ball.
I couldn't throw Sterling Sharp ball drills in pregame. It was too cold for me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jaden Daniels, I like Daniels a lot.
Obviously, he's electrifying. But I saw him get hit again.
I saw him carry the ball 18 times in the first game against Tampa. I don't want to see this guy running the ball unless he's scrambling.
And I want to see him protect himself a lot better because he's not the biggest guy. But I'll say this.
He has been very impressive throwing and passing and competing. He's just going to be his own worst enemy.
I'd be pissed at him every time he took a hit. You know what I mean, guys? Yeah.
Because that quarterback, he's the only guy on the team that can't play with a sore right shoulder or a jammed left or jammed right thumb. So we got to be really careful with them.
And, you know, when it comes to Drake May, I just, I think they have a long way to go with their offense. They really don't have much firepower at receiver.
They don't really have a great offensive line. Um, and they're playing behind a little bit.
But I thought he showed some poise and he showed some real progress in the last game and a half against Houston and Jacksonville out there in London. Yeah, I had a last question for you, Coach.
And again, thank you very much for joining us. I hope we can talk to you in person at some point.
Yeah, I love that. Come watch some football.
By the way, what is your setup like for NFL Sunday well I have this uh YouTube channel as you know you can go you get all the games you can flick back and forth or you can put four four at a time on so we here at the FFCA we've got two TVs we can put the game we really want to watch on the big one and we can put four games on at the bottom and then you can put a couple of your buddies over there in the other room to study the game that you can't study so they can give you a report at halftime it's a sick world that i live i love it i love i love do you still love spider two why banana spider if you have a fullback that's why i should be on your fullback board yes you know i'm watching the rams no disrespect to the rams i've been watching them all morning they're an 11 personnel the whole game they never have a fullback no two back sets how the hell do you go through a game short yardage yesterday against the raiders they get smashed on third and one three straight times but the fullback in there throw a wide banana man what is it about that play that just makes it unguardable? You know what's great about the play? It's the protection. Spider two is the protection.
Spider two, the line slides to the left, and the fullback goes to the right in spider two. If we call spider three, the line slides to the right, and the back goes to the left.
But spider two is an aggressive protection. If you're the right tackle, the right guard or the center, you block your inside gap.
That's it. And you come down pissed off and knock the crap out of that inside gap.
The linemen love the protection and it's a safe gap protection. And then you have obviously the fullback bluffing and catching the ball.
We used to throw a banana just to get Mike Allstott the ball on the sidelines so I could see Ray Buchanan of the Falcons try to tackle him. I love that.
Making these corners tackle Mike Allstott. Hell, I didn't want to get in my car and go home unless I had that image in my mind.
Yeah, I love it. I love it.
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But I had one last question. Will Compton, coached him what do you think about him as a football player real football guy he's a football guy well cop that he was the original gruden grinder when i started doing that segment on monday night football will compton is exactly what i'm talking about it's not gonna be pretty he's not gonna be luke he's not luke keekly he's not fred warner he's just not he's just will freaking compton but he gets the job done man i love it the guy's productive in any situation and he fights his ass i love will cop you tell him i said hello i will listen we gotta like pft said we gotta get you here uh to chicago to our studio do in person maybe watch some football together and then you get to watch uh watch.
We have a Will Compton museum in the bathroom here, so you can visit it. Maybe you have something that you could put in there.
But yeah, he's got a full handicap stall in the bathroom. It's got all his stats and his jerseys.
It's a beautiful museum. Why don't you tell Will Compton to put a picture of himself up throwing up after Indiana kicked their ass 56 56 he's in a bad spot right now he's not i said hello i love your show and uh thanks for having me on i hope the ratings don't plummet no yeah this is gonna be great and yeah we would love to have you come by sometime and uh thank you so much coach it was great talking football yeah coach i'm going to get your info, and I'm going to send you a text about the college football low man trophy

because we've got Lorenzo Neal on there, Mike Allstotz on the committee.

We would love to have you on there and shine some light on the fullbacks.

That would be an honor.

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Okay, let's wrap up. We have a Fire Fest of the Week.
Henry? Yes. Go ahead.
Not too bad of a Fire Fest. Could have been worse.
I had a 6 a.m. flight back from Boston yesterday.
Oh, no. I was staying at my uncle's place in Cambridge, so not too far from the airport.
I was sleeping on an air mattress at his place. I had an alarm set for 445.
Didn't drink a single beer? I had one single beer. It was given to me.
Would have been rude to turn it down, but one not bad um alarm set for 445 it was on vibrate mode so i did not hear it my uncle kind of shook me at 515 was like hey it's 515 i had to just instantly wake up call an uber right away run downstairs get to the airport the flight stopped boarding at 545 i got to the airport at 535 and then my fire fest was that i had to be that guy in the line at security i was like hey i'm really sorry i have a flight at six do you mind hey i'm really sorry do you have a flight at six do you mind hey i'm really sorry i have a flight at six do you mind and then i had to full sprint uh to the airport to make it with one minute to spare did anybody say yes i do, I do mind? No, it was only, it was in the clear line.

So it was only like 10, 10, 15 people.

But I felt horrible doing it, super awkward.

But also it was the only way that I was going to make my flight.

And I did.

So worth it, awkward, felt like an asshole.

But sometimes it's got to be done.

I feel like you lead this podcast definitely

in having other people wake you up as your alarm for you. Yeah, probably.
Yeah. Well, who knows with you guys? I just talk about it.
Yeah. Good point.
So what did the people say in the line? Yeah, like, no problem. Good luck.
And they said someone else just hated your they hated your guts yeah that's the worst although there's no one else like it's the it's the 6 a.m i think it's like the earliest flight so i think true that it wasn't as big of a deal because there was no way anyone else was in a rush the and a 6 a.m the very very early is definitely a different vibe than like running in at like two in the afternoon been like, dude, you couldn't have planned for this. Right.
Yeah. It's clear that you just slept in.
Yeah. When you sat down on the plane, were you breathing hard? Sweating? Yeah.
Sweating? It wasn't too long of a run, so no. I also lost my AirPods in the...
Oh, that's terrible. Yeah.
So that was the other Fyre Fest. Like, I put them in the thing, grabbed what I thought I grabbed them.
And then I got to the plane, went to take them out. I was like, fuck.
That is terrible. Yeah.
So. So you had to rod dog it? Yeah.
But I slept. There you go.
That's our guy. Probably didn't snore anything.
That's our guy. Definitely snored.
Definitely snored. Probably got a boner.
Yeah. He's a healthy man.
Yeah. All right.
PFT. My fire fest is that i have a problem i have a problem it's been going on for a few years now and it's gotten it's gotten worse in the last like i'd say six months i uh i can't stop ordering food to the wrong address yeah so i i used to be good for this once every two months or so but it's been like an avalanche recently.
So a couple of Saturdays ago, I ordered a hundred dollars worth of Thai food, accidentally sent it to the office when I was at home and didn't realize it until I got out. And there was no delivery guy there at my front door.
And I was like, fuck, wrong address. Then two days later, I ordered Greek soup to the wrong address.
And I resolved to myself at the moment, it's going to stop happening. And it was the opposite.
I was at work. I ordered it to my house.
And then two days ago, I did it again. And I just can't stop doing it.
You should check at the top. At least.
So the beef was over at my house a couple of Saturdays ago. And the day that I forgot and ordered soup to my house by mistake and said to the office, the beef hit me up and he was like, hey, just so a heads up, I ordered roast pork by accident to your house because it was still the most recent address.
So then I got home and I had two meals waiting for me. Oh, hell yeah.
Which was kind of nice. But I don't know how to fix this because I've tried to remind myself, but every time I order on Uber Eats, I accidentally, I send it to the wrong place.
Yeah just and it's a real problem that i look at the top i've only done that once it was uh after beer olympics we got back to chicago like two days after whatever a day and a half after and i ordered uh like three different things three different times i ordered something like back to back to back from cvs to the hotel room we were staying at yeah because cvs like you don't think like it wasn't a restaurant because obviously it was a restaurant you would be like that's not that restaurant's not in chicago it doesn't exist right but i just kept on trying to get something ordered to the office and it just i it just was going to the hotel i feel like there's there's no worse feeling than being super excited about a meal. Yes.
And you wait for an hour for that meal. And then you just open up the app and you're like, well, fuck.
Now I got to wait an extra hour for the meal because it got delivered to the wrong place. Max did that.
You remember with Taco Bell? Oh, yeah. Yep.
Did that. That was a nice anniversary gift.
Yeah, I've got a real problem with that. I don't know how to fix it because I've tried everything.
I don't know what to do about it i i want to find like a homeless guy in my neighborhood that i can call up and be like hey there's food at the house again if you just want to stop you just have to stop ordering food to the office but what do i do for lunch i'm about to do it i'm gonna do it in about 30 minutes yeah and and i am if i fuck up when it's this front of my mind then there's a real issue you need have somebody else order for you. Yeah.
Yeah. Or like it's got to be a submarine where you turn two keys.
Yeah. To make it happen.
And then my other fire fest is I've got a new whitest thing that I've ever done. I don't know.
It might not be right now. The current whitest thing that I've ever done is wearing the Luke McCaffrey jersey.
That's actually in the top three, too. Okay.
So I'm thinking back because for a long time my the whitest thing i've ever done was i at one point took a uh i took a hamilton themed peloton ride okay which is pretty white it's tough to beat that amount the luke mccaffrey salute to service camo jersey that's pretty high up might be i i don't know what it is i love counterfeit jerseys they they're the best um so that might be number two and then my third is i ordered a halloween costume for my dog so uh i've done that so blake is getting dressed up this year as willie nelson yeah and i got him like it's got overalls on the front and like a little ukulele for a guitar and then it's got the braids in his head i ordered the extra large because blake's a big boy. He's about like 125 pounds right now.
And the extra large does not translate to Blake's size. It looks like a smaller medium.
So I got Blake dressed up in this Halloween outfit the other day. And I just wasted my money on this outfit.
I think that's okay. I've done that.
It's like a little mini Willie Nelson. Yeah.
Why not? It is kind of adorable, though. Of course it is.
Yeah. It's a dog in a costume.
It rules. But it's also very white.
All right. Mine is just simple.
Last week was on a... Oh, that's very cool.
You think that's a good outfit for Blake? Yeah. That's a very good outfit.
Mine is very simple. I just, last week I was on bye because the Bears were on the bye and Wisconsin played Northwestern and this week I'm just like in it.
It's going to change Penn State on Saturday night and then Commanders on Sunday. My mood could be completely wrecked until like Thanksgiving.
Yeah. Somebody's going to be very depressed on Sunday night.
And I have the Penn State, like that's a double whammy.

So I could be, I'm staring down the barrel of a gun.

Am I crazy to think though that Wisconsin's not as bad as they looked at the

start of the year?

No, they're definitely better.

But Penn State's very good.

I'm just hoping the difference between playing at 11 o'clock in the morning

and 630 at night at Camp Randall is night and day. Yeah.
Yeah. Literally.
Yeah. Yeah.
Things could get dicey for you. Yeah.
I predict a split for you this weekend. I'll be in the building for Penn State.
That makes me feel good. Yeah.
No. You'd be happy with the split? No, I'm saying that makes me feel good that Max is going to be there in Penn State gear.
This is a cool costume.

People are not happy.

Penn State fans were not happy when I tweeted that I was going to go.

Oh, I love that.

I love that.

What's your record?

What do you mean?

Oh, they had the whiteout game against Minnesota.

What's my record?

What's your record for Penn State games attended by Max?

I think 3-0?

No, 2-1.

I went to Michigan last year.

That was the worst game ever.

That was really the worst football game in the history of football.

Yeah.

Don't be the ball one time in the second half. Bullied you.
I went, yeah. Bullied you.
Beat Washington. There was like no quarterback play in that game on either side.
Yeah. But Drew Roller's a lot better this year than he was last year.
Way different.

Way different.

Way different.

It's going to be a tough game.

All right.

Good show, boys.

Numbers.

Three.

Five.

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Nine and nine.

I'm put.

Seventeen.

Seventeen.

Twenty one. 17, 21.

12.

12.

TB?

12.