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Today is Wednesday, October 23rd. And guys, I know that we've been shitting on Hank recently because his football team sucks, but it's banner night for Hank.
Congrats, Hank. You did it again.
It's been a while since Hank's had a W. Yeah.
It's good to see your boy back up. It's been almost three months since he's been able to congratulate himself for something.
Hank is all dressed in his Celtic green. He's going to banner night tonight.
That's why we're recording early. Celtic black right now.
He's got the green sneakers. You look very slimming.
I would say Hank is all dressed in his Celtic green. He's going to Banner Night tonight.
That's why we're recording early. Celtic black right now.
Looks very slim. He's got the green sneakers.
You look very slimming. I would say Hank is just the man in black, though, looking like Johnny Cash.
Yeah. So, Hank, we're recording this early so that you can go to Banner Night.
Fired up. Thank you guys for doing that.
You're welcome. I was looking for that.
I appreciate it. And Hank's not drinking tonight at Banner Night.
He said he's not drinking at Banner Night. Because he's back on that health tip.
I got a 6 a.m. flight back.
The grind doesn't sleep. We got to be here tomorrow at 9.
You're going to drink at least five beers. No, no, no, no.
It was great because Hank is trying to struggle with the idea that he's told us for the 100th time that he's going to stop drinking for an extended period of time. And the fact that it's Banner Night.
And he said to us, I'm just trying to soak it all in. Yeah.
He's doing that. Like, I want to be sober for this.
Well, if you want to phrase it. I don't want to be sober.
I just want to be a man of my word. I'm trying to have that champion mindset of if you say you're going to do something, do it.
I think having a 6 a.m. flight helps.
I also don't think I don't need to drink to enjoy the beautiful ceremony. I'm probably going to cry.
Counterpoint. Why don't you just not go to sleep? That's not going to work.
That's never worked in the history of my life. Although one time we went to Vegas last year for the Super Bowl.
I did it. If you want to put it in Miles Garrett, but I had to play blackjack for like five hours.
Miles Garrett would say that for the most part over Hank's career here at part of my take, he's been pretty sober. Yeah, for the most part.
Yeah, the-nighter at the end of a bachelor party or like traveling like what like i'll just not sleep is oh for a hundred lifetime in terms of good ideas yeah it sounds great in your head and you're like well what's the point of sleeping for three hours when i could just rage for the rest of the night and then you get to the airport and it's disastrous i think there is a chance though that hank he tries to say stay sober because there's a chance he has to meet coach missoula and he doesn't want to let him down he doesn't want to disappoint him because have you seen the interviews that missoula has been doing recently he's locked in he's like he basically did the cow shanahan like we could all die tomorrow so who really cares he's a football guy yeah he's a football guy coaching basketball zero zero no pressure we're all going to be dead It really doesn't matter. Yeah.
Love that. You're either going to win or you're not.
It's incredible. That made me feel good about dunking.
There's no pressure. It sounds like he's threatening to kill his team.
Yeah. He's like, we might be dead, so no pressure.
We just have to go out there and execute, or I will. Are you going to see Coach Missoula tonight? I'll see him.
I don't know if he's going to see me. Yeah, but will he see you? I think he might.
I think he might. Where are your seats? Second row behind the Knicks bench.
Okay. Are you going to be razzing him? That'll be like...
You got to do some razzing. Maybe Mikael Bridges be like, hey, nice hitch in your shot, bro.
I might do a little hollering. You should do a little bing bong on him.
Do a bing bong. Max, don't shake your head at me.
Don't shake your fucking head at me jim calhoun uh mikhail bridges has a hitch in his shot it's fucking weird as shit have you seen it i have not seen mikhail search it it's very bizarre something happened to his shot and he's got like this it's like a pause it's actually great we're bringing this up bullshit he plays for the next because i hate the next but i defend him. Yeah, because Chris Brickley's on this show.
We should have, if we had known he had a hitch in his shot, we would have asked him how to fix it. So, Banner Night, congratulations.
Watch this video and tell me. It's weird.
Something mentally has happened. Also, congrats to the Mavs.
Have a banner out of their own. They raised a banner for the Western Conference Championship.
Okayavs or congrats to us because we're going to bully the Mavs. And in five to 10 years, they'll probably send us that banner.
That'd be great. Oh yeah.
It's weird. Yeah.
It's weird. It's very strange.
Yeah. Well, it's more, I think Western conference change.
I think the conference. It was the, it was theist.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the Colts making it to the AFC championship but not winning.
Yeah, winning a Western Conference. If you win a conference championship, you deserve some acknowledgement.
Yeah, this is the argument we had a couple years ago when Max said you don't raise banners for that, and we found all the banners that they actually raised for that. Yeah.
Yeah. But this shot is very strange.

It's like he takes the ball over to the opposite side of his body and then just throws it across his body.

It's very strange.

But banner night, and then we also – so we are recording this early.

We think that Bronny played tonight, so choose your own adventure.

What a cool moment.

Yeah, good for LeBron.

That's got to be awesome as a dad. Now, what do you think his stat line is going to be? I think bad.
Two minutes, one turnover, 0 for 2, and a traveling violation. Oh, a traveling violation.
A double dribble would rock. That would be cool.
If he just put both hands on the ball, like a four-year-old, trying to dribble. The coolest part is that Ken Griffey Jr.
and Sr. are going to be at the game.
That is cool. That's wild.
That is wild. Extremely wild.
That's breaking the wild meter right now. Insanely.
That picture will be the most wild picture in the history of wild. They randomly picked that game, right? No, I guess there was a conversation that if they play together, they'll go.

I know.

But I'm – is it bad that I'm rooting? We've had the same – I think we've stayed consistent with Bronny. It's very cool for LeBron as a dad, but it's also really weird because he's probably not an NBA player right now.
He may become one, but right now, if his name wasn't Bronny James Jr., he would not be in the NBA and be considered to get minutes tonight.

Is it bad that I'm rooting for him to get in, have the picture up, and then have him just get yammed on?

That'd be kind of funny.

LeBron would make that video disappear forever from the internet.

What if Anthony Edwards dunks on both James at the same time? Dude, that would would be awesome you think there's a bounty out there on dunking on brawny if there's one guy who would do it it's anthony edwards i bet you there might be a bounty out there yeah i'm gonna put a bounty out there if you can dunk on brawny then i will i part of my cheese you get no you get an open spot on part of my take and i will sit you can join the show as a guest to discuss the

dunk okay and i will send you a part of my cheesesteak okay with all the fixes yeah and

we'll come to your house and uh and hang out yep yeah that's actually a fair deal

bounty enacted what's the worst where's gonna be it's gonna be the most random player then we're

gonna have to go to their house but i would still do an interview with that guy whoever

and the question's just like what was it like dunking on brawny in front of his dad yeah i want

I'm going to have to go to their house. But I would still do an interview with that guy.
Yeah, I would. Whoever.
And the question's just like, what was it like dunking on Bronny in front of his dad? Yeah. I want to dunk on both.
I think Hank could. Yeah.
Yeah, here it is. If you dunk on both of them at the same time, we'll go on vacation with you.
Yeah. Yeah.
A place of your choosing. Whoever this person may be.
Yep. Could be anyone.
Literally anyone who could do it in a game, in an NBA game, dunking on both James. Okay, so yeah, that's our NBA.
Do we want to do NBA just a quick who's going to win the title? Nuggets. Celtics.
Sixers. How do you not think of this? What? What? It's a good troll.
It's a good troll. I mean, I had to.
I will pick the Sixers. Oh, copycat.
Yep. Were you about to say, how do you not think the Celtics are going to win it again? It's hard to repeat.
Yeah. We're just making predictions.
We can't. You're on defense mode.
Yeah. Yeah.
Missoula would not think like the title missoula would not missoula would want no one to pick this yeah you actually you're rat poison missoula is probably mad at you right now when he's listening to this he doesn't want you picking the celtics you got to earn it again yeah but you expect i have championship like we got it you got to think you're going to be the champion so that you can become the champion. No, no.
Missoula's mentality is you haven't done shit yet. Yeah.
Turn the page. Turn the goddamn page.
Yeah, but you got to carry yourself like a champion. Be what you want to be.
Memes. I'm going to say Knicks.
Knicks-Suns finals. Okay, Knicks-Suns.
Ooh, Suns. Okay, Suns are back.
They fixed everything. That's a dangerous one.
So, yeah, we'll do a full NBA preview, what, like February? Yeah, probably. I'd say after the Super Bowl.
Yeah. I'll be excited to watch NBA basketball for tonight, and then I'll be like, all right, I'll see you after Christmas.
Yeah, what we'll do is we'll interview Ryan Russillo down at the Super Bowl in New Orleans. We'll be hammered.
And then that will be our NBA preview. That'll be our NBA preview.
Okay, we should talk some Monday Night Football. We had a doubleheader.
Bullshit doubleheader. Bullshit doubleheader because they did the second game on ESPN+.
Hand up. I thought the Chargers would beat the Cardinals when I got everyone to take them 45-1.
Yeah, that's the first thing I thought about. Hand up.
When actually the game got into being the game and it was very, very clear that the Chargers are a super flawed football team. They are very flawed.
They don't have anybody in the middle. No guys in the middle.
Offense or defense. And then they've got no wide receivers.
No wide receivers. I feel very bad for Justin Herbert.
He was actually very good. He just has no one.
Harbaugh has built the entire team out of tight ends and running backs. And it's hard to be explosive.
Also, I mean, the Chargers kind of low-key dominated that game. They had two.
The fumble on the goal line was egregious. That was bad.
That was egregious. I stand by my take that that's a good rule.
I like the fumble through the end zone. Fumble recovered in the end zone for a touchback.
Yeah, and then they had the big guy fumble. You got to go down after he get a pick pick and then he just started bumbling down the field.
Got the ball punched out. And then the call at the end was bullshit, I thought.
Where they called unnecessary roughness. I think it was the right call.
It sucked. I don't know.
No, don't get me wrong. The call sucked.
I was not happy to see it. I think most people that are football fans see that play, and they're like, that play should not determine the outcome of a game.
That sucks that the referees are involved at that point. But if you look at what the rule is, it's like a million percent the right call.
This is going to sound dumb, and it's not the health in mind, but I feel like a guy should have to get knocked out for their BMS or roughness. I know what you're saying.
By the vibe, it didn't look that bad. It didn't look – I know there were two angles.
The first angle looked like absolutely nothing. The second angle, I saw the helmet helmet.
But it just – that to me was just a play where it's like you can't really do anything else. You're trying to break it up.
And I don't know. It's the case of thefl having too many rules so the the defensive back was coming in as marvin harrison jr was landing and as he's landing his head comes down into the path of where the defensive back is trying to hit him and he hits him with his helmet makes contact with like the face mask area so it was definitely by the rule the way the rules written it was the right call but still sucked yeah uh and i thought i was feeling good about the charges too especially after harbaugh's quotes from last week yeah when he was talking about how he went in for his ekg and he had like the whole heart testing thing and they asked him about it and he said yeah you know the doctor was telling me you've got the heart of an athlete you've got incredible stamina and actually uh the doctor said my heart got stronger from having that yeah incredibly fast heartbeat Twisted blue steel.
Harbaugh was feeling good about the fact. He views his heart rate going up to like 250 beats per minute as just doing a really, really, really intense cardio workout.
2-0 in heart attack games. But I think that was a stupid thought to bet on the Chargers to win the Super Bowl.
I'm not going to give up yet i did have this one as a win also it's very hard justin herbert going for 350 yards and no offensive touchdowns that's really hard to do he has the dicker show that's really really hard to do to pass the ball for 350 yards no turnovers and uh have no touchdowns think about that yes It's very, very if you think about how long their drives were they just stalled out around the red zone area they just didn't have they didn't they need to get a wide receiver calvin ridley come on down i will say this though in in that matchup that was the perfect uniform matchup to be on espn plus yes yes right like that if you have to pick one game to have on that channel and to only be on streaming, that's exactly what you would go for. It looked like kind of weird and futuristic.
I was okay with it. Yeah.
And then in the other game, the Bucs season is officially over. So the Bucs had a night from hell.
They lost to the Ravens. They were up.
They were about to be up. What was it? 17-7 or 17-3.
I think it was 17-7. Baker throws that interception.
Mike Evans gets hurt. Chris Godwin gets hurt with a minute left.
Down 10. What? Down 10.
Down 10. People were like, well, yeah, you got to play him.
I don't know. The season's long.
you have a short week you're going up against atlanta i kind of err on the side of just sit your guys and and and win to you know play to fight another day we also had a weird did you guys see this it was a very weird disinformation campaign that was going on yeah that the entire internet uh somehow thought that you can only kick two onside kicks in the fourth quarter. Yeah, we had a Google AI problem is what it was.
Like artificial intelligence fucked us over last night because at the end of the game, I think there were, what, 51 seconds left on that last drive? It was like a minute and 10. A minute and 10 seconds, and Godwin gets hurt, and then the immediate reaction is, why are the starters still in? I understand why Todd Bowles still had his starters in.
You're down 10, technically. It'd be weird if Baker had just kneeled that out, right? I think you just throw in the backups, and you're like, we got a short week for a big division game to a team we're fighting against.
They're playing the Falcons on Sunday. They were fighting against it and already beat us.
But the thing is, if Todd Bowles had kneeled out, which is the same as putting your starters in, or putting your backups in, right? If you just take a knee, everybody would be like, Todd Bowles quit on this game when you're down by 10 points. Technically, it's one of those weird, weird gray areas.
It's like 99.999% chance they weren't going to win. They would have to go down the entire field, get a touchdown or a field goal, recover another onsides kick, and go down, get another touchdown or a field goal.
With no timeouts. Agreed.
I think you can go either way on it. Here's where you definitely have to say it's crazy.
Baker stayed in until there was like five seconds left still running the ball. Yeah, yeah.
That was fucking nuts. The very last play of the game.
That's crazy. I was like, Baker better not get hurt on the scramble.
That'd be insane. Actually,, if you're going to point your finger at Todd Bowles, I think you would point your finger at the fact that he went for two when he was down 17.
Yes. So if he had gone for one, he'd be down 16.
He's down 16, and then that's two possessions. But you go for two, and you make it.
Who cares? You go for, and if you don't make it, then you are now in a three-possession game. Yeah.
So so it makes zero sense that todd bulls did that that's like the first domino that led to all this happening yep so that's that's what you should point your finger at but what happened was everybody was like well todd bulls is an idiot for keeping his starters in because you're not allowed to do more than uh what two on-site two on-site game and because when you searched on google for what the on-site kick was, that's what came up in the AI summary about it. And then you look at the actual rulebook and it absolutely says you can do as many onside kick as you want, but it has to be all in the fourth quarter and you have to be behind.
You have to be trailing. So what the patient X, patient zero, what is that? Patient zero, right? Someone wrote an article after the Ravens-Cowboys game that said you can only onside kick twice and then it just became part of...
Remember the Cowboys came all the way back in total garbage time? If that's patient X, then I think the Wuhan laboratory for this was actually... This was thought about as a proposal for the rule change.
It was so somebody wrote an article about that like hey this might be a rule change that comes and google when they scrape the internet they find those two stories and then that's why you get that screenshot now there is a chance we can't we can't rule out the fact that todd bulls might be getting his information about the nfl rules by googling and then looking at the first ai screenshot that comes up. Yes.
So Todd Bowles might have thought about that and forgot it. Yes.
So it was just very funny because I was, thankfully, I was very tired. So I wasn't, I was kind of like half in, half out.
I was watching the other game and I had both of them up, but I was just kind of half paying attention to the end of the Bucs game because I definitely would have gotten got by the two onside kick because there's nothing better than learning a new rule

and then pretending like you knew that all along.

Yeah, and I saw that rule and my first thought was like,

number one, I had no idea that was a rule.

Same.

Number two, why the fuck is that a rule?

Same.

It makes absolutely no sense, but the NFL, you could see them having that.

I was so close to tweeting being like,

all you idiots saying that Todd Bull should have kept his starters in, learn the rules. I didn't.
Yeah. Because there is a satisfaction to be like, I know the rule, you don't.
Yeah, I know. Well, in that instance, you would have known the rule before Todd Bowles knew the rule.
Right. Because you read it online during the game.
And it also, it was such a stupid rule that I gave pause because I was like, there's no way this is a this is a real rule yeah that's an insane rule i ended up reading the entire kickoff section of the rule book last night i know all the weird shit about kickoffs yeah it was it was very weird so uh for as for the bucks i think they should fire todd bowles okay well todd bowles you're talking about mayo being a candidate for the gym caldwell is he alive or he dead? Todd Bowles has been that for years. He's been dead on the sidelines for a long time.
He is a blitz guy, right? Big time blitz guy. And I think he was relying a lot on the old Lamar rulebook, which was if you blitz Lamar, you can have success against him.
Yes. That might have been a bad piece of information that got tied too closely to Lamar and not closely enough to Greg Roman.

Yeah.

Greg Roman sucked against the Blitz.

Yeah.

I don't think Lamar sucked against the Blitz.

No.

Todd Munkin does not suck against the Blitz.

No.

So I agree.

Lamar's been incredible.

The Ravens, I want to talk about the Ravens, but here's my thought for firing Todd Bowles. Their defense is bad.
Chris Godwin's now out for the year. Mike Evans might be out for an extended period of time.
Liam Cohn, their offensive coordinator, is seemingly a very good offensive coordinator because their offense has been lights out. If you want to keep him, you should make him that coach right now.
That's actually actually not a bad point just because like Todd Bowles is what he is I don't it's he is what he is he's not going to change there's nothing there's nothing new that Todd Bowles is going to do where he's going to be like man now we have a huge coaching advantage yeah he does have a chance to earn his coaching job back though if the Bucs surprise everybody and dealing with all the injuries that they injuries that they are, they end up making some noise in that division. Yeah, their defense is bad, though, right now.
And I know they've been banged up, but I would make – it's a tricky thing to do, but if – If you don't think you're going to lose the locker room, you could make that switch this season and then be like, Liam Cohen, you now have the job going forward. Maybe after the season's over.
Maybe, but I wouldn't let Liam Cohn out the door and keep Todd Bowles after the season is over. Yeah, it all depends.
If you think that Liam Cohn could be a good head coach at some point, then that's probably a move you should think about. Yeah.
The Ravens are an absolute juggernaut. I think they're actually getting closer to the territory of they could actually maybe beat the Chiefs.
Yeah, they've got it they've got all mark andrews catching touchdowns every week now and derrick henry is as fast as he's ever been which is crazy because he said that he was slow as fuck this season and then i think he had his fifth fastest run it was perfect timing too on the broadcast for like where they're like where's derrick henry tonight and then he ripped off like a 70 yard run how pumped do you think troy aikman is for game day to be in Bloomington? Oh, so pumped. He should be the guest picker, right? He should absolutely be the guest picker.
Make that happen. Those are his Hoosiers.
But yeah, the Ravens, Lamar is playing yet again at an MVP level. He might win MVP again.
I got him 18 to one. There you go.
Yeah, that's that's sick. He's I mean, he's he's just been awesome.
The Ravens have been awesome. And it feels like as long as they stay healthy Which is always something you have to say for the Ravens They are one of the best teams in the NFL Probably in the list of It's probably Chiefs, Lions, Ravens right now In terms of that upper echelon Yeah, no, the Ravens are awesome And Lamar is throwing the ball better than he ever has Yeah, dot talk Dot talk There was dot talk going on He's throwing bombs He's got a nice little touch on his ball Yeah, Lamar Lamar is throwing the ball better than he ever has yeah dot talk dot talk he's throwing bombs he's he's got a nice little touch on his ball yeah Lamar it Lamar just has to he just has to win a Super Bowl and then it's just he's solidified he's a surefire Hall of Famer I yeah I think he probably already is yeah because he's well no I think he has to win a Super Bowl to get to get to the Hall of Fame I think so I think he's gonna win a Super Bowl I don know.
I don't think he's got to win a Super Bowl. Got to win a Super Bowl.
I don't know. The record of most touchdowns without an interception on Monday Night Football is pretty big.
That's pretty. And he's also 23-1.
23-1. Only lost to Daniel Jones.
He's in the NFC Hall of Fame. Yeah.
Easily. Dominates the NFC.
Okay. Anything else from...
Oh, we did have Ed Reed on the Manning cast. That was weird.
Yeah, talking about concussions. And I don't think Ed Reed was necessarily wrong when he was talking about boxers and strengthening their necks.
So basically what he said was, I don't know if the Guardian cap is making a difference. Yeah.
And then he broke down how boxers strengthen up their neck muscles because you get the snap and the nerve hits in your neck. And then Peyton and Eli were just like staring at the TV like please for the love of god something happened they were like oh they're saying like that's why that's why you don't that's why boxers the headgear is like fake yeah he was protection that's true he was saying that the guardian cap is fake protection the boxing thing is true where like you think you have protection so you're more likely to keep your hands down and take more hits to the head.
Yeah. But I don't know if that same thing applies for the Guardian Cap.
I don't have any research whatsoever on the Guardian Cap. We do have a fathead of the Guardian Cap that's up in the producer's booth right now, which is awesome.
But the Guardian Cap, to me, seems like it was put in place to reduce the number of sub-concussive hits that you're taking during practice. Yeah.
So the small hits that don't actually give you concussion, they're trying to dull some of those. And then the argument could be made from a legal standpoint, if you're the NFLPA, why are you letting players protect themselves in practice but not in games? So that the NFL had to be like, yeah, you can wear these ugly caps during games if you want, thereby putting it back on the players to accept or say, no're not gonna wear this so Tua is he said that he's not gonna wear when he comes back because he said we don't we all take risks when we drive to work every day we take a risk I don't know if he's talking about Tyreek Hill or not in that situation or Athens Georgia yeah possibly but uh it felt to me like Tua was just saying like they look they look stupid, so I'm not going to wear one.
Yeah, I don't.

Even if it helps a 1%, even if it makes your wife feel like it's safer, I think you wear it. It makes me feel safer when I watch Tua if he was wearing a guardian cap.
It's like when I wear a shirt to bed because I'm like, if I ever had to get into a fight or like a knife fight with an intruder having a shirt on would help me not really but it would it makes me feel that way yeah by the way i looked it up lamar is a 69.13 on the hall of fame monitor on pro football reference so if he keeps playing he'd probably make it in if he gets super bowl he'd jump up they have stats. Yeah, the average.
They're quantified, and at the end of the day, they're relying on a bunch of fat old sports writers in a room talking to each other. But it's, I mean, the average Hall of Fame owner is 108 points, and Matt Ryan is 106, and Roethlisberger is 100, and Phillip Rivers is 98.
I don't know if all three of them. I think Phillip Rivers should get in, but I don't know.
To me, based on vibes, he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah.
But you do agree, Lamar Jackson even going to a Super Bowl would make it almost a slam dunk. Yeah.
He probably would get it anyway because he'd probably keep winning MVPs. I'm not saying if Lamar retired right now, he's in the Hall of Fame.
But I'm saying the way that he's played. Oh, he's been incredible.
If this keeps up anywhere close to what he's been, then yeah, he's a Hall of Famer. If he wins another MVP,p then he's even not going to a super bowl yeah he'd be the hall famer uh so yeah two are not wearing that uh what else oh hank did you want to talk at all about uh belichick basically yeah that was on my hot seat cool okay we'll save it we'll save it no no we'll save it we'll save it we'll save it for We'll save it.
We'll save it for Hot Seat Cool Trone. We also had Jameson Williams' suspension.
So two games. That's a pretty light suspension, isn't it? Yeah.
What did he do? P.E.S. is what Schefter said, performance enhancing substance.
I wonder what it was. To me, that doesn't feel like it's – isn't it usually four games if it's like a drug if you're on steroids yeah and what it was like a shake or something a shake me okay galaxy gas what is that uh it's just whippets that they just slapped a a tag on like they it's new age whippets and they sell it and they just said hey it's galaxy galaxy gas and now all the kids are like oh this is awesome it's like yeah we used to just do it with whipped cream is that the kind of thing is worse than Whippets.
they sell it and they just said, hey, it's Galaxy Gas. Now all the kids are like, oh, this is awesome.
It's like, yeah, we used to just do it with whipped cream. Is that the candy is worse than Whippets? Is it? Yeah.
Look at what the packaging looks like. It looks like candy.
We shouldn't bash it too much because it could end up being a sponsor. And also we've never tried it.
Hudson Cool Throat brought to you by Galaxy Gas. Loosen up those buttholes'm not ruling it out Is it legal? No No it is legal because it is technically meant for like making whipped cream But they just package it like this It makes it obvious that they're actually trying to sell it as whipping Oh maybe it was on the Galaxy Gas It's like very controversial because it's like very appealing to Chile.
And it's very bad for your brain. It's horrible.
Yeah. He might have been on Viagra.
Yeah, could be. Ocho Cinco used to say he would take Viagra sometimes and he knew a lot of NFL players that did it.
Yeah, maybe that's what it is. But either way, Jameson Williams, I do think that he should appeal it and wait because they play on Thanksgiving.
So just wait and do it the week before Thanksgiving, and then you only miss five games. Five days.
He said he's going to try to get back to the team and contribute ASAP. As possible? No, what did he say? ASAP, soon as possible, which is great.
Yeah. It's great.
That's a very fast return. That's a very fast return.
But yeah, appeal that and wait until then you only miss five days. Wouldn't that make the most sense? Yeah.
I don't know who they play on Thanksgiving, though, so we'd have to check the schedule. Oh, it's the Bears.
Oh, that's weird. I didn't know that.
It does fit. That's the least amount of time.
I'm looking out for Jameson Williams. If he's trying to get back ASAP as soon as possible.
He would do it in the five days. Five days is ASAP as soon as possible.
He takes his suspension Sunday morning at 1159. His suspension is over on Thursday at like 3 o'clock.
Yeah, and you get to have Thanksgiving with your family. Right.
Just think about it. Okay, should we talk talk a little college football we have a lot more college football with ross dellinger i wanted to start though uh texas got their welcome to the sec moment and uh it was tough for texas i saw a couple funny things uh one georgia's defensive line was incredible they just bullied him all night even had sark doing the panic let's hit the arch button which didn't do anything that was a weird arch button to hit really weird well he was in for two drives i think and then they sent ewers back out there once it was clear that that ewers was not the problem um but it it felt to me like if you put arch and you got to stick with arch yeah you've made a decision that got to be weird for yours going back in.
That picture of the two of them sitting on the sideline, both having the Manning face. I don't think either one of them was happy with it.
No. Because you had Arch going in, getting his ass kicked, and struggling against a really good defense.
He's like, fuck, this sucks. Then you have yours on the sideline being like, fuck, this sucks.
I just lost my job. Yeah.
So you managed to alienate both of your quarterbacks at once yeah it felt like a panic move uh i don't think texas is completely out of it but that definitely was like a big boy test that they failed yeah i i have a take about the bottle incident about the fans throwing stuff and we talked to ross about this a little bit later i kind of liked it duh i kind of liked it a lot yeah. Because I root for chaos.
I love watching weird chaotic shit on my television on Saturday when I watch college football. I want to see weird stuff happen.
And having the entire student section throw bottles. They didn't hit anybody.
They weren't throwing at players. Nobody was in danger.
I'm sure someone got hit. Maybe.
There's a bunch of people on the sidelines. I don't think that they were targeting players with it.
They were pissed off at throwing bottles. What about all the cheerleaders, media? Yeah, maybe Bevo got hit with something.
Good thing Ugga didn't go. I put my life on at least one person getting hit with a water bottle.
Good thing Ugga didn't make the trip. They said he's bad on airplanes, so they didn't bring him.
If Ugga makes a road trip, I want the opposing fans to bring tennis balls to the yeah and then throw them down to the field next to ugha and watch him go nuts yeah but i i liked it because it was fucking crazy and it was stupid and the refs getting together i don't know if they were bullied into changing their call i don't know if one of them snuck a quick look up at the video board and saw oh hey we really fucked this up yeah i don't know what happened but the fact of the matter was there was like a five minute delay the refs changed their mind about it gave texas the ball and um as as a neutral party that doesn't root for either team i like i did put money on texas to win uh the championship at the start of the year but i'm not a texas fan right i have no skin in that game as a neutral party watching it i was like this is cool college football is better when weird shit like this happens and then i saw all the talking heads later being like this was an ugly scene this is bad for the sports uh it's a black eye on texas it's a black eye on the sec no when tennessee did it and they threw mustard bottles on the field i was like that's cool yeah you don't want to see it every game uh but there is something about college football that it's it's the closest that we can get to to European soccer culture. Yeah.
It's not like this is Brazil where you've got fans running on the field trying to murder the ref or stabbing each other. And don't get me wrong.
You shouldn't do it. You shouldn't throw stuff on the field.
But I liked it. Matthew McConaughey had to release.
It's not a notes looks, it's not actually on the notes app, but it essentially is.

He said, Longhorn Nation, specifically our DKR student section,

MOC McConaughey coming at you here.

First off, you were electric Saturday night, yada, yada, yada.

But let's get real about the bottle bombing, the field, what is it?

All right, but let's get real about the bottle bombing,

the field glitch we had. Not cool.
Bogey move. Yeah, that call was BS.
But we're better than that. Longhorn Nation knows how to show up, show out like no other, and still keep our class.
Oh, we dropped the class on him. You can't do the class.
So going forward, let's clean that kind of BS up and leave that behind us for good. We have to shake hands on that.
I't like that from conaghy i don't like that be i'm gonna hate more than anybody should know he gets older college kids stay the same age they're always going to fuck around like this is what college kids do i like bogey move though and bogey move is a good move yeah that's a good good phrase we also i saw a very funny clip of a uh texas fan who someone was peering over him and he was texting and he was texting a friend during the game and he happened to be seated in the Georgia fan section. And his text is, I'm in the middle of the Georgia fans.
Man, the barking is overwhelming. Yeah.
It's like, welcome to the SEC, bro. Yeah, you're getting barked at, man.
Yeah. Mississippi State comes comes to town that's going to be a weird scene too with the cowbells invading austin yeah i yeah it was a big time welcome to the sec moment for texas and now they're uh i think part of the punishment is texas has to try to find the fans that threw that shit and then get them kicked out of games and banned from the stadium forever boo that's bad don't do that how many how many how many feds were in the crowd inciting that right that's what i want to know it's a good question you know what that that one kid you remember the kid with the big ass hair that was in the front row that's a fed that was that was a fed you know what they could do is just have the refs not fuck up calls yeah think about that it was a very bad call uh in terms of this season which has been great uh we have so we we get the Army-Navy game in the conference championship.
We talked to Ross about all the iterations of Army-Navy. They are now both obviously ranked, just rolling everyone.
We have the first big test for Navy this week playing against Notre Dame. But some of the other stories, the UNLV-Boise game on Friday night is going to be incredible.
I'm very excited for that. And BYU with their quarterback, BYU has been one of the best stories in college football this year.
And they are now still undefeated, barely get by Oklahoma state and seven and O. And it's just, I don't know this, this season has been so much fun.
Iowa state's really good in Big 12, and we still have just massive, massive games coming up. Like LSU and Texas A&M is basically an elimination game.
They're both undefeated in the SEC, right? They're both undefeated in the SEC. They both took non-conference losses week one.
It's just, I don't know. I have enjoyed thoroughly this college football season, and I know that there have been people who said the regular season doesn't matter as much.
have not watched a single big time game whether that be georgia texas georgia alabama oregon ohio state any of these games and thought to myself while watching it well this is lame because we're going to see them play again the only shitty thing that could happen and there should be a rule against this is you should not be allowed in the 12 team playoff if you have three losses if losses. That might happen, though, yeah.
Yeah, but I think what they should do if you have three losses and you're, like, say Alabama loses another game, then I feel like you need to take an undefeated team that's maybe in a group of five conference and put them in instead of a power four team with three losses. there's three strikes yeah i i think it's it's obviously going to happen because it would suck if a team with three losses gets in the playoffs and then they win the national championship that would be bad it depends on the three losses though i don't know if you find them if they win a national championship playing a road game and then three other playoff games they they're deserving.
But I think it would give a lot of credence to people that are saying that the playoff diminishes the regular season. You couldn't argue with that person more.
You'd say, yes, you're 100% correct. It does diminish it.
Yeah, it diminishes a little bit, but I still would want to be – I want to get the best national champion, and if that team goes and rolls four games, it would be hard to argue against them. If it's in 12, I think think if it's three strikes you're out uh i don't want to see you that's it yeah that's that there could definitely be a three loss sec team that gets into the playoff uh indiana also it's incredible story they're seven and oh uh they absolutely steamrolled nebraska i was there bloomington on saturday was so much fun uh and they indiana as long as they their only loss is Ohio State they should be in yeah they should be and if they lose another one they probably going to be in a lot of trouble because of their uh strength of schedule but run the table other than Ohio State and you're probably in I like what what Signetti's doing too and if you don't know much about Kirk Signetti he's from Google him yeah yeah google him look him up and all he does is win he's from the uh nick saving coaching tree so he coached at alabama right when they were turning things around he was down there with nick saban he operates moves looks sometimes a lot like nick saban he's always pissed off like he was screaming at his players in the fourth quarter because they were only up by 40 points so uh he is a very intense football coach he gets results he's doing it his team is like the group of uh group of five all-stars right now yeah a bunch of transfers that were awesome at smaller schools and he just brought them in he's like okay we're gonna make indiana football good because i know that you guys have proven that you can play curtis work maxion legendcat? Yeah.
And I think he's got... He hurt his thumb.
He's got like 12 guys from JMU. Yeah.
His thumb, he's probably not going to be playing next week, right? He's not playing this week against Washington at home, but their backup's actually not bad. He's...
Fuck. Wait, I got it somewhere.
Oh, he's Trace Jackson Davis's brother. Kind of fun wrinkle.
Isn't that wild? Trace Jackson Davis, IU legend in basketball. He's probably not going to play this week.
I would think they need him back for Michigan State because that's not the easiest game. That's not a rollover game.
Michigan State, their quarterback has looked pretty good. And that's the one that you have to win.
You have to win that game. Yeah, because their other games, I mean, their schedule has been soft, but guess what? Don't apologize.
If you are a – They're blowing people out. Yeah, if you're an Indiana Hoosier fan, don't let anyone make you feel bad for kicking the shit out of bad teams.
Do you think there's anybody at Alabama that's like, we should have hired Sig? Ooh, that's a good question. I think there are.
I think they're losing their patience with DeBoer. Yeah, they might be.
Yeah, Michigan State is playing Michigan this week. In Michigan State, they have three losses, but two of them were to Ohio State and Oregon, which everyone would probably lose to those teams.
Okay, anything else with college football? I'm excited for that Friday night game. Boise, UNLV, they could play again, though, too.
So we might get a double for that. But Army-Navy, I want Navy to – I want one of them to finish the season undefeated.
Yeah, it'd be great. It would be so, so much fun.
So much fun. Okay, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne, Hank.
Yeah. You ready? I'm ready.
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And weather whatever in Ariat work gear. Hank, my hot seat is Dr.
Mayo. Oh, what? Yes.
He came out. He called the Patriot Soft, said they're playing soft uh and then bill belichick on his appearance with mcafee when asked about it said it's a lot of the same players from last year i'm kind of hurt for those guys because to call them soft they are not soft they were the best team in the league last year against the run i feel bad for the defensive players players on that one.
So this is bad. There's got to be a lot of dissension in the locker room, and it's tough.
Helichek's got to be loving this. And there's some videos.
Now the Patriots, like Twitter accounts and Die Hard, whatever, Stan accounts are finding videos from the preseason when they said it's going to be a looser locker room there's players riding bikes around the locker room there was mini hoops set up and it's just a bad mini hoops it's a bad look you guys got turned into a basketball team yeah it's a bad look and belichick is so he also is loving it he's loving he went on tom brady's podcast yeah i said the exact same i just i just saw that clip is it the same clip i was gonna play it but it's the exact he literally was like we were number one against the run last year yeah they were four and 13 i know he's such a great stat but he he's right if you if you had to pick what what is the what is the statistic to point to just to prove that you're not soft it's running the football and stopping the run that's gotta be that's be an extra level of hell for Patriots fans, too, to hear Tom Brady and Belichick talking about their current team. I was shocked that he went on Tom Brady's podcast.
I guess it's fully... They've never said there was beef.
I mean, heck, there was beef. There was a million percent beef in Tom Brady's last couple seasons.
I think they probably realized, like, hey, this is all Kraft. No, no, no.
Well, no. I think there was...
I think they had a very good marriage that got to an end where it was like, we've been doing this for 20 years together. The little things bother you from the other person and that's the breakup.
So I don't think it was... But maybe it's like now that we're not together...
Yeah, no. You realize what you had.
We're good. Yeah, right.
I don't think it was maybe it's like now that we're not together yeah no you realize what you had we're good yeah right i i don't think it was kids they got six super bowl kids like they're like oh yeah our kids are great yeah i don't think it was ever one thing that one person did the other that was like i cannot believe you did this it was just a year years and years of little things that annoyed them that they had to break up and now they're fine together. Yeah.
There was beef. Beef is an over, like, beef I don't think is the correct

term. of little things that annoyed them that they had to break up and now they're fine together yeah yeah there was beef beef is an over like beef i don't think is the correct term for it no it was like it was definitely beef there's 100 and i think the beef might have been i it might have been more one-sided like tom brady definitely at the end was like i'm sick of getting cussed out by belichick every day and him treating me like i'm a rookie and belichick was like this is just what I've been doing my entire life yeah right and the trainer stuff but like I don't think it was Belichick and Brady I guess there was there was some beef come on it's okay to say there was some there's no beef anymore there's beef still between Brady or sorry Kraft and Belichick and now but they took a shot together Belichick that's true Belichick is I mean this has to feel like the greatest feeling to watch.
Like the guy, the team that, the guy who took your job, the team that fired you, and then them falling off a cliff and just being like, look, number one against the run. But it is funny.
They were 4-13. There was reports or like an article that was written where everyone in the organization last year knew that Mayo was next up because he was missing meetings with the team because he was meeting with Kraft.
So that's definitely, Belichick is loving this. Did Belichick go on Tom Brady's show live from the corn maze? Did you see that report? No.
I think it was the New York Post, and the headline was like, Bill Belichick visits corn maze with his 24-year-old girlfriend that was built in his honor. Oh, he's crushing Instagram.
They made a Bill Belichick-themed corn maze that he took his girlfriend to on a date, which rocks. Hell yes.
Yeah, he's loving life. I still think he wants to coach.
I think he wants that record. For sure, but he's enjoying the off time.
He was also enjoying just talking about Ed Reed last night. Yeah.
Ed Reed's his favorite player ever. He fucking loves Ed Reed.
He loves Ed Reed. Ed Reed is his favorite player.
I'd love to coach you one day, Ed. Okay.
Then my cool throne, Jalen Brown, Joe Mazzulla. Or I guess my other hot seat was unnamed sources.
Oh. Jalen Brown.
Because you remember Stephen A last year had a report about unnamed sources saying people don't like jalen brown he's too like basically said all this stuff that was lies and he said it was an unnamed source that's why jalen brown at the parade wore the state your shirt he went on steven a's podcast and basically just was like i think it's bullshit the unnamed source thing is bullshit it's cowardice and steven a was the unnamed source yeah but jalen brown just basically went on his podcast and said how much of a coward move it is for the unnamed source to do that to steven a's face you would never put things out on this podcast with an unnamed source that's the difference between you and i know no he has everyone the walls walls yeah the walls the walls has a can't control the Walls. Yeah.
Right. These Walls talk.
I would never report that and say it was an unnamed source. Correct.
I did not report that. Ryan Whitney reported it, and the Walls reported it.
Yeah. The Walls told Ryan Whitney.
Yeah. Thank God, because nothing's happened, and it looks like he's coming back.
Yeah. Everyone blame Ryan Whitney.

Whitney probably doesn't even remember that this even happened. Is he coming back?

He might.

He's gearing up, which they also said he was gearing up before they reported he had double Achilles tendonitis or whatever.

So who knows?

The walls might be right.

But if they're not, I will not feel bad about it because I didn't say anything.

If they have a name.

If Christian McCaffrey comes back and the Niners don't lose another game, he should win MVP because they're so broken. Yeah.
He basically, it's memes hitting the fire the coach button, Hassan Redick button, Devontae Adams. Christian McCaffrey has to be all the buttons.
Did you see what happened to Debo? So Debo's in the hospital right now hospital right now he has pneumonia so he's got fluid in his lungs that's why he didn't play last week he tried to play and they're like he's got an unspecified illness everybody was like oh debo's soft debo's soft he had fucking pneumonia yeah and he's currently hospitalized it's crazy so i hope he's okay but yeah the the 49ers are missing every single weapon it's it's bad uh memes by the way our good friend tom franelli had a very funny tweet. Do you want me to tell it to you? You can maybe call him Tom Florio.
Yeah, let me hear it. He said the Jets are just a Randall Cobb trade away from being good.
That's pretty good, huh? Tom hates the Jets. Are you thinking about...
Isn't he a free agent? I think he's retired, but yeah. It was a joke about how basically the Jets every single week are like, this will fix everything.

It's a bad tweet.

They could just sign Ramon.

Memes just keeps going around the office saying 12-5.

12-5?

That they're going to win every other game.

Yeah, but now that the Chargers lost, 11-6.

11-6 gets you in yeah 11 and wait I

don't know if your mic is on Max so is it memes is already doing the playoff machine where he's

like the Chargers having another loss means that we can go 11 and 6 and make the playoffs yeah

he just keeps walking so it's 11 and 6 or is it 12 and 5 now it's 11 and 6 what do you say to this

Max I mean he's I just want you to get it I just want you to get shot and put out of your misery. Like, I just can't...
It's every week. He just comes in and he's like, they're going to win every game.
And then it's just absolute devastation. He truly thinks that the Jets will win every game the rest of the year.
I love looking at the booth now. You guys are just...
We need to put up maybe...

I wouldn't mind maybe the Pink Floyd ass poster.

Because you guys really are like a 13-year-old's bedroom.

Yeah, let's get that picture.

Maybe the two girls kissing.

Ninja Turtles pizza.

Boondock Saints.

No, we're 13.

We're starting to feel some things.

Yeah, we should just slowly start taking down the sports stuff and putting up chicks. Yeah.
The booth has hit puberty. The Belushi College picture? Yeah.
Well, that'll be a little bit later. Yeah.
Yeah. Bob Marley at some point.
Bob Marley? No, that's never in a college dorm. Never.
Never. Remember? Remember the Mount Rushmore? Oh, right, right, right, right.
Yeah. We had one where it was...
I think about... Did you ever think...
Do you ever have a moment where you just think about your 21-year-old self or 18-year-old self and just like, man, I was a douchebag? But we had one in our apartment that was... It was just a chick spread eagle crawling out of the ocean and just her ass.
Yeah. That's good stuff.
She was hot. That's good stuff.
that's good stuff yeah the pink boy put the whole room together my roommate had the pink floyd album cover ass picture and he didn't ever listen to pink floyd yeah he couldn't name a single song he's just like it's asses it's asses yeah that plays uh what were you saying hank that was it yeah jalen brons is maybe the smartest person alive. Oh, wow.
He's very, very intelligent, very well-spoken. It's a great interview.
Do you have a cool throne? My cool throne was Missoula, but we talked about that. And just me dunking because of the quote Missoula had when he was asked about repeating, he said, zero, there's no pressure.
We're all going to be dead soon, and it really doesn't matter. so that made me feel a lot better just about everything maybe when when uh missoula comes to chicago chicago to play the bulls he chokes you out and we get one of those stories you ever hear those grand everyone knows it's it's usually uh not real but like oh a friend of a friend like they they got they were drowning for like minute, and then they came to and they spoke fluent Spanish, like, shit like that.

Maybe that will happen to you.

He chokes you out.

You lose consciousness.

Then you can dunk.

I'm down.

More of your blood is going to your leg muscles at that point.

Who is the guy?

Max, we met a guy at Tahoe.

Remember that guy who had a cane?

He was like, I got in a car accident.

Afterwards, I was in a coma for, like, 30 days, and I came out speaking Spanish. Do you remember that guy? I a cane he was like i got in a car accident afterwards i was in a coma for like 30 days and i came out speaking spanish do you remember that guy i do yeah those stories are always crazy i read one about a guy that had a stroke and then he could play the piano perfectly yeah he never played an instrument that i think is what we have to do he's got to choke you out and hope that you can just dunk after but isn't him saying like we could all be dead tomorrow doesn't that make it it doesn't make it more likely that you're gonna be able to dunk it just makes it more it makes it easier for you to accept not dunking yeah yeah there's zero pressure so either way like mentally you're in a better spot yeah there's zero pressure okay what about the money aspect though zero pressure money's not real no money's not real nothing's real yeah if die tomorrow, who cares if you have money or don't have money? That's pretty fucking deep.
Do you think that when we die, people will still listen to the show like old episodes? Yeah. You think they age like you can go back? I hope so.
Maybe they'll get better like when an artist dies and their paintings are worth so much more. I think about that every now and then.
like when I die, hopefully many, many years from now,

like my kids will be able to just pull me up all the time.

At that point,

it's kind of a weird feeling.

You'll be able to use AI and get,

get daddy's take on what just happened to the bears game.

Yeah.

It's just,

I don't know.

It's a weird thought.

Uh,

hot seat,

cool throw on PFT.

Uh,

my hot seat is NHL merch.

Oh,

because,

uh,

the NHL has just announced a partnership with, uh, fanatics and Lululemon combined to sell NHL merch. Oh.
Because the NHL has just announced a partnership with Fanatics and Lululemon combined to sell NHL stuff. And I was thinking when I saw this, this would be a real shame if they had the same issue that the MLB pants had with Fanatics.
Yes. If Lululemon had that.
Yes. It would be a real shame, and we should not hope for that.
I agree. And then my cool throne is, number one, bots on Twitter.
Wait, you don't want it? It would be a real shame. It would be a shame.
It would be a real shame if Lululemon had the Major League Baseball pants issue. Nobody wants to see that, right? No.
It would be gross. Asses.
For the love of God, please no. Get it, Hank? I do.
Yeah. I thought, yeah.
Lululemon pants are the most comfortable. Some of the most comfortable sweatpants out there besides roback yeah roback's number one uh my cool throne is bots on twitter because they're fucking everywhere it's it's crazy fucking everywhere yeah it's they're fucking everywhere you have both you have like multiple yeah they're everywhere fucking you have so many different types of bot accounts and they all are reply guys and and they all come up within the first half second of any major account that tweets something.

You got the porn bots, the OnlyFans bots.

Then you have the gambling bots.

Then you've got the bots that have a Pakistani flag as one of their emojis, and they all

reply immediately, and they're getting better.

Yeah, the bots that just repeat your tweet back to you.

Yeah, they paraphrase, but they're getting better.

It's kind of crazy how fast they're able to do it now.

Do you guys block them?

I just block them.

I don't think it helps.

I don't think it helps at all,

but if I see there's three tweets

from the same account underneath, I just block it.

But I don't think it helps at all.

But it's gotten like, it's way worse than it's ever been, right?

And there's a theory, it's called the dead internet theory.

Have you heard about that?

No.

It's a theory that starting in 2016 or so, most of the internet became populated by bots.

Got it.

And so half of everything that you see is not written by a person.

It's written by a software program.

A script.

I don't think it's that much, but on Twitter, excuse me, X, X.com, the everything app, it's all happening on X.

It feels like it's at a level that I've never seen before. Yeah.
And I don't block them because I want to know what the bots are up to. Yeah, I block them.
I don't think it does anything. I want to keep an eye on them.
Yeah, because there's like one button that they press, and boom, a million new bots. Yeah.
All right. My hot seat is Jersey Jerry, our friend Jersey Jerry.
This came from Nicky G, listener. He tweeted this at me.
He thinks he found Jerry's Reddit account. So the little Wednesday reading real quick, if I can.
This is from 1400 Totem Pole. They wrote, I'm not gay, but I want to live in a log cabin with Russell Wilson.
We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate the entire time, forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Russell.
I won't be able to climax and eventually I'll go back downstairs angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes.
And in that second, anything is possible possible but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing one day one of us will die and the other will bury him outside the log cabin then he'll go inside pen a brief missive to his parted friend and commit suicide never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love this is literally this is that episode of the last of us it's crazy if you've ever seen that this is the last of russ yeah like this is what they're doing right now that that might be jersey jerry yeah so thanks to nicky g for pointing this out to me uh it's jersey jerry i'm not going to tweet about it until the show comes out but it is like that was one i saw it yesterday and i bookmarked it i was like i'll bring this up and then we have to be like jerry what's going on dude yeah i mean it does the only thing is the writing style doesn't necessarily match yes it's actually put together nicely i don't think that jersey jerry knows the word erotic i don't think he knows how to write yeah he just it's all speech to text jersey fun fact about jersey jerry he doesn't have a computer? He doesn't have a computer. I feel like that might be a trend, though.
I was like... We're all given computers.
No, no. He doesn't have one, though.
I'm saying there's probably more younger people that don't have computers. He's not young.
I know. And he also just doesn't...
He kind of is. Yeah, he is a little bit.
He's like 28? Yeah, 29. I said something to him like, have you ever blogged? He's like, I don't have a computer.
So maybe he just did it on his phone. My cool throw and I have two.
One is the Las Vegas Raiders because they fixed their quarterback room. Aiden O'Connell's hurt and Spencer, or sorry, Desmond Ritter is now a Las Vegas Raider.
Okay, good. So that will solve everything.
What was their plan going into the season? That's still mystifying. Pray.
It's like Gardner Minshew maybe. Yeah, pray.
And then my other cool throne is Minnesota sports because they recreated the old Randy Moss KG picture with Anthony Edwards and Justin Jefferson. And I know Minnesota sports are sad state, don't win things,

but they might have the coolest collection of athletes in the last 20 years

compared to anyone else.

Yeah, and also didn't Anthony Edwards say that he wanted to play in the NFL

after a couple more seasons in the NBA?

Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, think about it, though.

They had KG, they had Randy Moss, they have Anthony Edwards. They have Justin Jefferson.
They had Joe Maurer. Yeah.
Very cool. The coolest, coolest athlete.
He's awesome. He's rad.
Yeah. Okay.
Let's get to our interviews. We've got two great interviews.
We have Ross Dellinger talking more college football. Then we have a really cool interview with Chris Brickley, who is an NBA trainer.
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Now here is Ross Dellinger.

Okay.

We now welcome on a very special guest.

He covers college football for Yahoo.

It is Ross Dellinger. You can also hear him on the College Football Inquirer.
Great podcast with Dan Wessel and Pat Forty. Ross, first of all, thank you for joining us.
You're going to help us navigate this crazy college football season. I want to start though.
You were in Austin on Saturday night for Texas Georgia have you in all your years

of covering college football seen a scene like that where uh water bottles throwing on the field weirdly maybe helped a call get overturned for the Texas Longhorns even though they fell short and got absolutely killed by Georgia?

Never, never.

In 20-ish years or so of covering college football, and honestly, high school football and pro football, I've never seen that. I've never seen a call announced to a crowd, and then the ball be marked, and then there be some kind of pause in play.
And then the call is reversed. Usually you see the officials confer in before an announcement and before marking the ball.
And then to, you know, to overturn a call, you don't see it announced, marked and then overturned. So that, that was the first for me in a while.
And then it just added, or ever, and then it just added a lot of drama, right, with the stuff being thrown in the field and the fact that there was a five-minute pause probably in the game to clean up the water and beer bottles and everything else that was thrown out there. And during that pause, basically the officials, that's when they conferred.
So the suggestion is if bottles aren't thrown in the field and they don't have that pause, they don't confer Georgia snaps the ball and keeps possession instead of Texas getting possession. It was wild.
And you can imagine I was on the field after the game in the Georgia administrators were down there, the Georgia president and the Georgia athletic director. And let me tell you, they were not too happy.
Greg Sankey was down in the field too. And the Georgia president had a conversation with him.
I can imagine what was said, but they weren't happy. Yeah.
Yeah. It was a crazy moment.
Maybe Greg Abbott changes his mind about student protests. That feels like that benefited him this time.
And when it happened, my understanding of the process was that the officials got together and the official that threw the flag said, Hey, my bad. I've had a couple of minutes to think about it.
And I think I told you that the wrong guy committed the penalty. It was actually on the offense, why it threw the flag.
And then that was the explanation for why it was overturned. Is that what they're going with? That's right.
Yeah, that's the SEC released a statement basically saying the calling, the official who called the foul acknowledged that he erred in his judgment and he meant to call, and Kirby Spark told us this afterward too, he meant to call offensive pass interference basically on the Georgia player, not defensive. And if you watch the replay of the play, you can see that just the way the guys were positioned, like the players, the offensive player was actually more in a role you would normally, like trailing the play.
You would normally see a DB trail the play. So I do wonder if the official actually did get confused there and called the wrong player, called the wrong foul, and then thought about it while the trash was being thrown in the field, right, and then conferred and changed the call.
Either way, it's probably not, and Kirby Smart said this after the game, probably not great precedent to set that you can announce a call, mark it, and then, oh, by the way, I just had a few minutes to think about it while trash was being thrown on the field. If you cry enough, they'll change their mind.
Yeah, I like that. Yeah, so the official, you're saying that he saw it as a defensive back was actually the wide receiver and then called it that way.
To me, I mean, I think everybody that watched it, and ultimately, you know what, it's one of those situations where maybe ball don't lie because they got the call right. They ended up making the correct call on the play, and then Georgia just ended up beating the shit out of Texas from that point on.
So it's like this could be a lot worse if it had been a call that actually just straight up impacted the result of the the game but yeah it does it basically just says uh and i know that texas is trying to like track down what students threw shit onto the field right i don't know if they're going to use that surveillance cameras or whatever that's it's just a whole mess and it was done probably in a bad way but at the end of the day i think it ended up working out as good as it could for the sport. Yeah, well, think about this, guys.

Like, if they had stuck to the original call, right, then there would always be that thing hanging over the outcome and the result of the game. And certainly it would have been a pretty big – so there's that point.
And the other point is, whatxas used that play to score touchdown which they did and springboard them into a win then so there's a lot of different ways this could have been this could have had a lot more magnitude i think um but instead it kind of went how yeah you know you thought it might go yeah it was a footnote uh so i i wanted to about from that game, you were there. What was the vibe when you're talking to Texas people? Because not to do knee-jerk reactions, but this was Texas in their first big boy SEC game, and they got absolutely manhandled.
That was an insane performance by Georgia's defensive line, and it felt like, oh, we asked for this. We wanted to go to the SEC.
This isn't us pushing around Baylor and Texas Tech anymore. These are big boys.
Did you catch that vibe, or was it like, hey, we're close, we just had an off night? There was a little bit of that vibe. And for me, guys, I actually go back 14 years ago.
At the time, I was a beat writer covering the University of Missouri. And in their first year in the SEC, 2012, they hosted Georgia in their first ever SEC game.
And going into that week, a Missouri player kind of calling out the old school type of SEC and how they played back then, certainly, said that Georgia played old man football.

I don't know if you guys remember that.

And then after the game, Georgia absolutely whipped them in the same way that Georgia

beat Texas, controlling the line of scrimmage, dominating on defense, harassing the quarterback.

And so after that Missouri game in 2012, a Georgia player said, no, we don't play old

man football.

We're playing grown man football. And that's what this felt like, actually.
It's like, Texas, welcome to the SEC. We play grown man football.
It was amazing, Georgia's defensive front and what they did against a Texas offensive line that really was supposed to be one of the best and is and the most experienced in the country. It was just, they harassed them, harassed the quarterback all game.
I think they had seven sacks. I think they had three sack fumbles.
It was a dominating performance by Georgia. And then afterward, you know, Kirby Smart talked a lot as coaches do about all all the doubt going into the game that Georgia could handle and stay with Texas.
And he talked about the doubters and, see, I showed you. This was a I showed you game.
This was a welcome to the SEC game. This is how we play.
Yeah. I mean, Texas' main fault was just not wearing Alabama's uniforms because that's the only team that could beat georgia that's it yeah they just beat everyone else never play georgia never play alabama again they can somehow get away with never playing alabama again georgia they'll be fine they'd never lose the game so speaking of alabama you you you know your bread and butter uh you know starting out was sec how what do you think the vibe is like in alabama right now knowing that it's not that they have lost to vanderbilt and tennessee which are bad you know saban would never lose to vanderbilt but it's also you could kind of see alabama and they don't have the toughness discipline that a nick saban team has always had and that's got to be driving people insane i would imagine uh is tuscaloosa still standing have they burn it down yet i mean yeah i can't imagine what it's like there right now in the building outside of the building um i i just sunday church on sunday in in tuscaloosa or anywhere in alabama i'm sure was this was a talking point but tied losing two of their first uh, which hadn't happened since Saban's first year, 2007.
You're right. You nailed one of the issues.
They are undisciplined. We've seen through 17 years, we saw pretty disciplined teams from Nick Saban.
They are just undisciplined. We saw 15 penalties, I think, Alabama had.
I think they are in the bottom 10 in the FBS in total penalty yardage in games. And these are silly penalties.
They're like post-snap and pre-snap penalties, frustration, emotional type penalties.

You know, and it's the little things.

These teams are separated by so small.

Their talent is so close, especially with Alabama and Tennessee and the Georgias and the Texas.

It's these little things.

And sometimes a penalty or a group of penalties can be the difference in a game.

So it's been shocking to see how they played in, in this is a storyline. Certainly from here on out is Nick Saban, their former coach, right.
And maybe the best of all time is square in the middle of college football still every morning on Saturday and his team, right. His former team, at least is, you know, losing as bad as they have bad as they have since he had originally taken over.
So I'm fascinated to see how Nick Saban nationally on ESPN is going to approach this. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I mean, you said it's the first time it's happened since Nick Saban's first year as well.
Now, obviously, DeBoer took over a much, much, much better program than Sab saban inherited at the time but there's going to be growing pains and uh i i actually think the sec right now where it stands we're in for a very fun couple weeks here because there's there's a little bit of chaos we don't know what's going to happen and with the 12 team playoff it feels like there's like any number of five different combinations of ways that they should this could shake out so from where we're sitting today it's uh october 21st where where is this going to play out who's going to win the sec and then what other sec teams do you think are going to be in the 12 team playoff yeah i mean we could really we could be locked at four or five teams at the top all tied with one two. You look and there could easily be three or four teams that finished 10 and two in the league.
And how do you separate these teams? Some of them didn't play each other because the conference has gotten so big. You know, in all the conferences, right? That's one of the issues with this consolidation of conferences and the consolidation of big brands and the growth of conferences is that you got rid of the divisions.
So everybody's lumped in together and there's 16 or 18 teams in these conferences and some of them don't play each other. So you got all these tiebreakers, including down to like the fifth, sixth, seventh tiebreaker, down to like flipping a coin, right? To see who goes to the championship game.
We could, we could really be in, not just in the SEC, but in for some seriously weird ties and tiebreakers. But to get back to your question, I think we all probably saw the best team in the SEC on Saturday night, and it's Georgia.
It's a healthy Georgia. As long as they can avoid Alabama.
Right. It's a healthy Georgia.
They were missing a lot of defensive players against Alabama. They were missing a lot of defensive players.
And in a lot of these games against Kentucky, they got pretty much everybody back against Texas, and it showed. And that's what they are.
So to me, Georgia's probably the you know, the best team in the league. You know, from there, I think there's a grouping of a lot of teams kind of all jumbled together.
We obviously A&M right now is at the top of the league undefeated in the conference. And so is LSU.
They each have a non-conference loss. And so they're kind of me, it's after Georgia.
It's Tennessee. It's A&M.
It's probably LSU. Then you have Texas as well.
I think there's a big four or five grouping right there. Out of that group, somebody's got to get to the championship game to potentially face Georgia.
And I don't really know who that is. If you look at the schedules, A&M and LSU play each other this weekend.
So that's going to tell us some things, right? Texas and Texas A&M finished the year playing each other. Tennessee still has to play Georgia, I believe, right? So at the end of this thing, if you look at it, we might see Texas and Georgia playing again.
Yeah. Yeah.
Um, all right. So in terms of big picture, we have a stance on this podcast.
We love the 12 team playoff. Are you a fan of the 12 team playoff? And, uh, like we were just saying before you hopped on, like UNLV Boise State is a game on Friday night that has major, major implications that wouldn't in years past with the 14 playoff.
What do you think, though, in terms of for the sport and for any naysayers who are like, we don't like the 12 team playoff? Well, I always go back to the percentages of teams in a certain sport that can advance to their postseason. Right.
So you look at the NCAA basketball tournament and other NCAA, a lot of other NCAA sports, volleyball, softball. And around 10 to 20 percent of a sports participants can get in into the postseason in college football for so many years was three percent right which is incredibly low just too low look at pro sports they have over 20 percent some of their you know you can probably go too high but three percent is certainly too low so right now they're at nine or ten percent with the 12 team playoff which i i think would probably say is too low, which is why we're probably almost certainly bound eventually for a 16-team playoff.
Everything sets up for this thing to keep expanding. 14 teams, 16 teams, it's going to keep expanding.
But I love it. I love the 12-team.
I actually like the format a lot too. I know that's been a big debate right now, and there's a couple of real powerful conferences that want to see the format changed, right? In the Big Ten and SEC, they want to see change there.
They want to see multiple automatic qualifiers. But I love the format as it is now, where basically each Power Four conference gets an AQ, their champion gets an AQ.
And then, as you mentioned, right, that the best group of five team gets an AQ and basically serves in a way as that 16 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, kind of playing the one seed sort of thing. They'll almost always be a 12 seed, although you never know.
We could have this year, guys, what if we have a Big 12 team lose two or three games and win the Big 12 championship and finish in the rankings behind a Boise or a UNLV? Well, Boise or UNLV is going to end up getting the four seed because the top four seeds only go to conference champions and they get a buy. Actually, you could have that happen.
It would be pretty unusual, but you could. But I love it.
I love the format.

I love how they did it.

They have seven at-larges that are still for those programs that didn't win their conference. But I really like the format as is.
I wish that they would kind of let the format play out before changing it. But everybody's in a rush these days, and there's not a lot of patience.
Wait, so when we met at the Combine last year,

you explained to me what they were proposing for a format change.

So what would be the 16-team playoff?

And also, how does it tie in?

You do some great reporting.

This Big Ten SEC, they're doing the meeting of the families in Nashville and stuff and just trying to box everyone.

What's happening in all of that, if you can explain it?

Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot going on, right? I'll start with the playoff format. And it ties in to the Big Ten SEC meetings, right? So Big Ten SEC, Adminished ADs, athletic directors, met about two weeks ago in Nashville.
It was a joint meeting, kind of historic, unprecedented type of meeting between 34 athletic directors gathered in a room. And they talked about three things.
One of them was the future of the college football playoff format. Another one was a future scheduling partnership between the two programs, like a regular season scheduling type of agreement.
And the number three was, of course, this house settlement, this antitrust house settlement that will usher in revenue sharing, athlete revenue sharing coming next year. So those are kind of the three big topics.
So they do tie into the playoff format. So this past spring, when all the 10 FBS commissioners got together in Notre Dame's athletic director, those 11 people kind of sit on a board that controls the college football playoff.
When they all got together to start talking about a new CFP, there was an agreement that was made that basically the SEC and Big Ten have most of the control. They basically ceded control to the SEC and Big Ten on revenue distribution, who gets the money, in the future format of a playoff starting in 2026 and beyond because for the next two years we'll have the current format, the 12-team, 5AQ, 7 at large.
But they ceded control of a lot of this to the SEC and Big Ten. And you probably ask, why in the heck with the Big 12, the ACC and the group of five conferences ceded control to the SEC and Big Ten? It's because the SEC and Big Ten said, we want the power or we're leaving, and we're leaving you behind.
And that's what happened. And I've got, you know, administrators have been on the record about that.
I had a story back in April kind of diving deep into what what happened, the ultimatum that the SEC and Big Ten gave them. So nobody wanted to see that.
Well, they see the control. So the bottom line is the SEC and Big Ten, in conjunction with their TV partner, ESPN, have control of the future format of the playoff.
and could you know they'll start talking probably in the spring, maybe January, about what the playoff will look like starting in 2026 and beyond. Now, there are some guarantees, guys, that they made.
So there's a guarantee that each Power Four conference champion will get in and a group of five champion will get in. And there's a guarantee for Notre Dame because they're an independent.
If they finish inside a certain ranking, a top 12, a top 14, then they get in at large berth. So keeping in mind those guarantees, everything else is on the table.
Where the games are played, how many playoff teams there are, and what they really want and what they've pushed, especially in the Big Ten guys, is that they want multiple automatic qualifiers per conference. So the Big Ten would like four automatic qualifiers in the playoff.
The SEC, the proposal is the SEC would have four as well. The ACC and Big 12 might have two each.
Those are just talked about, nothing agreed to. But that's what the talk is.
They're trying to eliminate the selection committee and the subjectivity around that. So that is kind of the talking point right now.
Nothing agreed to, but that's what the Big Ten specifically wants. It's interesting because looking forward in like four years into the future of college football, you have no idea how many of these conferences are going to exist as we know them right now, right? Because realignment is still happening.
So what is the big picture? What is the end goal that the power conferences are fighting towards? Where do they see college football being in like five years? Yeah. I mean, some of them don't know where college football will be in five months, right? It changes so regularly.
Every day, it's changing. I think something everybody needs to understand is that the house settlement, which not to get in the weeds there, just know that the house settlement will allow schools to pay millions of dollars directly to athletes, right? And to stay competitive, you're going to have to pay millions of dollars to athletes.
And there are schools that aren't going to be able to do that.

So there's going to be more and more separation, right? Specifically between probably the top 30 or 40 schools and everybody else, and certainly the top 70 and the power four in the G5. The gaps will continue to grow.
And in 2031, when pretty much every conference, a lot of the conferences, TV deals come open, which the TV deals, of course, lock schools in place. But when they come open, everybody's a free agent, right? So in 2031, when a lot of that happens, you're going to have more conference movement and more realignment.
And there's a suggestion that the gaps will grow so big because of all the revenue sharing coming and all the schools that can't keep up that there will be a small segment, not 130, maybe not even 70, maybe 40 or 50 that separate off and do their own thing. And you guys have seen probably a lot of my reporting and others about this, quote, Super League type of things that are being shared with administrators that a lot of them have private equity back behind them.
And they basically would separate a smaller group of programs into kind of a Premier League in Europe. And it would be more of a professionalized kind of model.
That's the way a lot of folks see this going. Now, whether that's just the SEC and Big Ten splitting off and doing it, or the SEC and Big Ten splitting off and taking some other programs, or the Power Four, there's going to be some kind of more formal separation on the way.
Yeah. What about relegation? Have they talked about that? Because that would rock.
Yeah. Yeah, it would.
You know, the proposal, there's a group, I had a story about this a couple of weeks ago, right before the SEC and Big Ten meeting. It's called Project Rudy.
It's kind of a type of Super League proposal. They don't call it a Super League.
Most would. It takes the four power leagues and all those 70 schools.
It keeps everybody in their conference. But they only play one another in non-conference.
So they play conference schedules, and then all their non-conference are against one another, not against G5, not against FCS schools. And then they have kind of a redone playoff.
And then they consolidate everybody, right, into a TV, one TV package, which would bring in more money. And they have relegation, right? So they have tiers.
They have four tiers. And you're put in these tiers based on how you performed the previous year.
So they do have a relegation where you can move up and move down. A lot of folks like the idea.
It has a lot lot of support but it has more support from people not in the big 10 right in sec because if you're not at the top advantage position yeah right if you feel like you could possibly lose out on being in the big 10 why would you ever sign off on that deal yeah right exactly i hope it just gets to a point in as hope that probably will never happen, is that we just end up back at square one where you have the Big Ten now. There's a Big Ten West division in the NFL, and it's Oregon, USC, Washington, UCLA.
So you bring back the regional divisions, and then you play it almost like an NFL schedule where it's like you play everyone in your little division, winner of your division, goes to the playoff and play it out that way. That's probably never going to happen, but it feels like it would be funny if we kind of like streaming, how streaming took place of cable and now we're back at the spot where we're just buying streaming bundles and we're buying cable again.
We're just going to get back to regional conferences through divisions yeah i think that we could see certainly on the for the bat for basketball and the olympic sports they're already talking about that right how can we regionalize competition because it makes no sense yeah for a volleyball team to fly across the country or softball team to fly across the the country. And folks are starting to realize that.
There's already talk at the NCAA level of trying to more regionalize Olympic sports. But maybe you're right.
Maybe it happens even in football at some point in these conferences break down and separate into a geographic type of regions. You know, I think a lot of that, again, will probably get settled in the early to mid 2030s where you have all the TV deals come open and schools are kind of free agents.
But this revenue share is going to change everything. And it is going to, for once and for all, probably lead to some sort of formal breakaway and separation between the programs that make a lot of the money, right? Like I think the stats are the top, there's 18 programs that drive 60% of the college football viewership, 18.
And of those, I think there's six programs that drive like, you know, 60% of that 60%, right? So those programs are, and along with a few others are going to separate just based alone on the fact that they can pay now. They can pay players directly and legally.
And so we're going to have to get to a separation. And once that really happens, then you probably will have what you're talking about, where everybody starts having a little more sense on geography and travel.
Yeah. All right.
So back to this season, because it's been a great college football season. We've screwed this up a few times.
Explain to us how we can get both Army and Navy into the college football playoff.

Into the playoff?

That would be hard.

Yeah.

That would be difficult.

It's amazing, though, that this is happening this season, where Army and Navy are both, at the same time,

undefeated for the first time since World War II, I think.

And it's amazing that that's happening right now,

in the first year of the expanded playoff,

in about six months after the CFP made a crucial decision

And And it's amazing that that's happening right now in the first year of the expanded playoff in about six months after the CFP made a crucial decision concerning specifically Army and Navy. So back in April, the CFP got together.
We all know Army and Navy play the week after the conference championship games, the week after the CFP selections are made. So back in April, CFP had a big meeting, tried to decide on what to do.
What if Army and Navy are somehow in their wildest dreams, they finish undefeated and we have to, and they still haven't played each other and we have to make selections. Well, they got together in April and they decided we're going to basically not count the Army-Navy games.
So we're going to make our selections, right, after the conference championship games, we're going to make the selection of who the best G5 team is and give them the AQ. And if it's Army or Navy, we give it to Army or Navy, and they'll just play the next week, and that game really won't count, you know, because the decision's already made made if that all happens in the first year that's crazy incredibly fascinating yeah it'll be fascinating now army and navy can meet in the conference championship game right they can meet in the american athletic they don't play obviously in the regular season they play in that the second week of december but they can meet in the conference championship game and if they both finish undefeated they will meet in the conference championship game.
And if they both finish undefeated, they will meet in the conference championship game. So the CFP will pick the winner if they are ranked ahead, right? Of Boise, UNLV, some of the other G5 schools.
Those are the main two. Boise and UNLV are probably the winning the G5 race.
I'm guessing Boise and UNLV will be the teams that will threaten the winner if they are undefeated, Army and Navy, at that American Athletic Conference Championship to get the G5. But, yeah, it would be wild, guys, that Army and Navy could play in the American Conference Championship game.
A day later, the CFP will pick the winner potentially to get the G5 AQ in the playoff. And then six days later, they play again in the official Army-Navy game actually here in D.C.
Yeah, that would be crazy. Yeah, so there's a chance that Navy could win the conference championship, they get into the playoff, and then Army beats Navy at the Army-Navy game.
Bingo. Yeah.
And wouldn't that be amazing? And if you're rooting for ultimate chaos, you need it to be like Navy beats Army in a controversial ending in the conference championship game. Yeah.
Then gets in and then Army wipes the floor with Navy in the Army-Navy. Yeah.
Yeah. That's right.
Yeah. What we've been hoping for, because we saw that it's not really a loophole, but the way the rules are written, there is a possibility for a group of five school to get one of the top four seeds if it shakes out like the Big 12 doesn't have a great champion.
We want to see Army hosting a game in the playoff at West Point. How cool would that be? That would be amazing if that does happen.
And West Point would be probably snow, it would be like probably snowing, right? Yeah, it would be incredible. Like 20 degrees or something.
It would. It would.
It would be pretty awesome. In fact, I don't know about you guys, but like the on-campus first round college football playoff games, I don't know that I've ever been more excited for anything related to college football than those games.
Like, I'm super pumped. I'm going to try to – they play the third week of – whatever, December, like, 20th and 21st, those games are.
And there's a Friday night game on campus. And then there's three on that Saturday.
I'm actually going to try to get to the one on Friday night and then the one on Saturday night trying to cover back-to-back. Because I'm, like, super pumped at on-campus college football playoff games where college football should be played on campus in stadiums.

It's going to be awesome.

So let's talk about the Big Ten real quick.

So Indiana undefeated. The haters will say they haven't played anybody.
Are the haters right? Well, I mean, if you look at it, Indiana's best win probably is at home against two-loss Nebraska. Now, Nebraska could end the season 10-2 or 9-3.
They could. But I think that there is an argument to be made that Indiana basically hasn't played a top 35-40 team in the country.
Now that will change pretty soon, right?

In a few weeks, they'll get Ohio State.

But if you look at their schedule, guys,

they might not play a team that finishes ranked in the top 25

except for Ohio State.

So that would be trouble for them if they drop any other game. You know, as far as getting an at-large bid into the CFP, that would be trouble for Indiana.
If they're 10-2 and, you know, they have a strength of schedule, I don't remember what their strength of schedule is right now, but it's not really high. And so they really need to go 11 one probably to get, to get a CFP at large.
So there is a look, I mean, there's, there's an argument to be made that they haven't, you know, they haven't, um, played a very tough schedule. I was just looking at their schedule strength.
Uh, I found it finally, this is, this is Sagarin from Jeff Sagarin's, uh, um, rankings. They're 114th in their strength of schedule.
So that's an issue. It is.
But they're beating the crap out of these teams. They're scoring a crap load of points, and they're beating them really badly.
So you've got to think of that as well. Yeah.
In Bloomington, we were there. We did our show from Bloomington on Saturday, and they all went into the game.
So they're pumped about India. Indiana has a great tailgate history.
Sometimes they wouldn't go into the game. They're fired up, and it's a fun, fun story.
All right, other big-picture things for this season. So I've heard you guys talk about this on your podcast, but the flattening out of college football with the NIL and transfer portal,

it's great.

It's great because you get,

it feels like anyone could beat anyone at this point.

And it's not just watching a sport where there are two or three teams that can

conceivably win and no one else.

Do you think this is going to continue the flattening out and this is going to

be a college football going forward where there's more parody and it's,

it's a better sport when there's more parody.

Thank you. think this is going to continue the flattening out and this is going to be a college football going forward where there's more parity and it's it's a better sport when there's more parity for sure yeah it's way more excitement uh when it's more parity when you have underdogs able to pull out some things and win sometimes uh i do think that while nil and the transfer portal has grown the gaps between the power four and the group of five, because it definitely has, the data is there, it has.
But I think it's made tighter the top 30 or 40 programs in the country because the talent from a transfer portal perspective is getting spread out. And NIL is now, you know, paying players is kind of legal.
So now you don't have just a group, a small, maybe group paying players. Everybody's paying players, right? So it flatten, it does flatten out the talent.
And I think in the top 30 or 40, you're seeing that you're seeing more parity up there. And I think you'll continue to see that.
Now, when we get into revenue share, it, you know, in a lot of ways, it's probably going to continue to flat, more flatten thing out and drive parity. Because now everybody will kind of have a budget, right, of expected to be annually in a low 20 millions of what they can distribute to their athletes every year, these schools.
and you're going to see probably, I'm going to guess 40, 45 power conference teams of the 70, about 45, go all the way and be able to distribute the full amount, right, to their athletes. And so it'll even more so, you would think, even things.
Now, that said, there still is outside NIL money that will be generated, especially in the big programs when you have big brands and big names, right? Like, you know, Ohio State and Jeremiah Smith, right? A receiver. Like, he's going to generate outside NIL income, right? It's not going to probably come from the school.
It's going to come from actual real brands. So you're going to still have some of that, but the revenue share in the portal, all of this has guys, it's brought, it's brought the schools like, um, Alabama and Texas A&M closer, right? You guys remember a couple of years ago, uh, the, the spat public spat between Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher.
Well, if you want to know why, that's why, right? It's brought the two closer because Texas A&M can now pay and is now paying, and the transfer portal allows immediate eligibility. So players that set the bench at Alabama now want to play, so they're going somewhere to play.
So it has brought those closer together. What it has done, though, is further separate the Alabamas and the Louisiana Techs.
Those two are more separated, but the Alabamas and Texas A&Ms, the Alabamas and Ole Misses are closer. Yeah.
So if you're a five-star quarterback, junior year of high school, and let's say it's the year 2032, right? And you're number one recruit in the entire country. What school is going to be able to pay you the most money directly and then what is your expected like actual income going to be just from the college whoo okay so this is 2032 yeah let's say like using today's dollars though because you just said like the 20 million dollar figure like what is a what is a five-star a quarterback going to be worth at a premier institution? So, you know,

I'm going to be worth at a premier institution so uh you know there will be incremental automatic increases in how much schools can share with athletes every year annually up into this settlement is complete which is 2035 so by the time 2032 rolls if schools are paying, allowed to pay 22 million next year to all their athletes every year, by the time 2032 gets here, it's estimated that it'll be around 30 million, right? So let's say each school has a budget of 30 million to spend on all their athletes, right? And probably 20 million, maybe 22 million of that will be football, right? So you got a budget of around $22 million just for football in the year that you're talking about. Yeah.
And if you're a big quarterback and you're highly rated and quarterback is the most sought after position, I'm guessing you're going to sign a deal with a school that's going to annually pay you, you know% to 10% of that $22 million of your roster. So you're looking at $2 to $3 million, I would imagine.
That's what I would think is going to happen. I mean, you have some of that today, not as much.
You'll have more of it when schools are going to be able to pay players directly. Now you asked what school can pay you more.
Well, they all have the same budget, but you've got the bigger brand schools that, especially located in the bigger markets, they're going to be able to generate outside NIL that don't count against that cap. The money doesn't count against the budget.
It's outside money. So the Ohio States, the Texas, all of the programs that are in big markets and that are big brands are going to have the advantage.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Real quick, I want to do hot seat rankings.
So 1 to 10. I'm going to say, Coach, you tell me how hot their seat is, 10 being the hottest.
So Billy Napier would be a 10. He's basically fired, although good win against kentucky uh but 10 for for billy napier going off that uh sam pitman seven seven okay what about lincoln riley well the problem with lincoln riley is his buyout is jimbo fisher type money okay right it's like 70 to 80 million so if you factor in buyout it's pretty low i would think it's less than five okay if the buyout wasn't there obviously he'd be right there with billy napier okay but but the buyout has to has to lower the number yeah brent venables they just gave him a new contract over the summer which is crazy typical typical college football typical it's typical i think the excuse or the reasoning was going into the SEC, we had to get his salary comparable to all the other SEC coaches' salaries.
So they added a couple years to the contract. They gave him a big raise.
I'm guessing a five because of that. It's only year three.
I'm guessing more like a four or five. Okay.
I love that. They're like, we need him to coach better, so we're going to pay him like a better coach.
Yeah. And then hopefully he'll live up to that money.
Yeah. What about Mike Norvell? Well, another, another huge, huge buyout after a year of going undefeated in the regular season and winning a championship.
Pretty low three. Okay.
What about, what about James Franklin after he loses the Badgers on Saturday night? That's going to be big, right? That's a big game, man. That's a big game before a big game, too.
I plan on covering the Penn State hosting Ohio State game in two weeks, but the Nittany Lions will have to get through Wisconsin. They are playing really well.
Yeah. So what would that be? I do not think James Franklin's on the hot seat.
Okay. All right.
I'm just saying, hey, we just had to throw it out there. I'm just throwing out names.
That's's gonna be a fun game for just running the damn ball yeah just so much it is you're missing one one other name you know down in baylor day david rand is probably that's a 10 with uh yeah yeah billy name that what all right last one calen deborah oh well again the buy i think he i think he signed a contract where, you know, whatever, 90% is guaranteed.

So you're talking about like an $80 to $90 million buyout.

I don't think that's happening, and I don't think that's happening after year one.

You know what would happen in places like Alabama, in Ohio State, considering Ryan Day and the streak against Michigan?

These coaches aren't going to get fired.

They're going to turn the middle finger at the schools and say, I'm tired of dealing with this.

I'm tired of dealing with this crazy I'm tired of dealing with this crazy

fan base. I win all these games,

and you're still up my, you know what?

And they just go to the NFL,

go to another job. We've seen it

happen before.

We've seen it happen before. Lincoln, Riley to USC,

Brian Kelly to LSU.

So more so that they get fired

is they leave on their own because

of the situation.

Yeah. Oh, Hugh Freeze feels like that's not going well.
No, it's not. By the way, it's not Hugh Freeze's fault.
If you listen to Hugh Freeze, none of this is his fault. Hugh needed to, I think we all realize now probably, and I'm sure Hugh does, he really needed to get a quarterback out of the portal.
I think at the start of the year, guys, this season, 60% of power conference teams started to transfer a quarterback. It's just the way it is.
If you don't hit the market, if you got an average or below average quarterback, you got to hit the market and get a quarterback. You got to be able to pay for a quarterback.
Some of, some of these quarterbacks are, you know, 600,000, 800,000, 1.2 million. They're a lot, but they're being, you know, Miami, Texas A&M, Notre Dame.
These programs that you see at the top of college football have transfer quarterbacks that they're paying a lot of money to. Where would Miami be without Kim Ward right i mean there's not seven and oh no definitely not their defense is so bad yeah yeah yeah but they're they're never out of any game so all right specifically about the florida opening that to me seems like that could be a really interesting one and obviously billy napier is still the coach there but presuming that that he's not the coach there at the end of the season,

who do you see? Who are the Gators going to be circling? Well, I mean, I think, you know, there's certainly a lot of buzz around Lane Kiffin always at Ole Miss, right? You hear Lane's name a lot. You hear Eli Drinkwitz's name quite a bit at Missouri, too.
it's those kind of coaches that are at maybe a mid-tier

to low You hear Eli Drink, what's his name, quite a bit at Missouri, too.

It's those kind of coaches that are at maybe a mid-tier to lower-tier power conference program that have done really well and that have familiarity probably with the SEC.

I would guess that those are too toward the top of the list, if I'm guessing.

Yeah, and then on the Heisman front, we think that Travis Hunter is the best college football player in America. It has nothing to do with the fact that we have 40 to 1 tickets.
Nothing to do with that. We're completely unbiased.
Do you have a Heisman vote? I do. Oh, well, you agree then that Travis Hunter is the best.
If we're talking about just the best football player, right? Absolutely, yeah. Good point, good point.
Good point, Ross. We need to bring it up.
Nobody's done what he's done on both sides of the ball, right, that we've seen in 30 years. It's remarkable.
Now, I tell you what, Jinty, Ashton Jinty, the boys are running back, is going to have a little bit of something to say. He's just tearing it up at an incredible level.
And you know who else is going to have something to say? The guy we just talked about at Miami. Cam Horta.
Is Ashton Jinty, that's the guy who plays at like one in the morning, right? Yeah. They use a kickoff at 11 p.m.
Yeah, I mean, listen, the voters are long asleep. He's the guy that couldn't beat Oregon.
Yeah, he couldn't beat Oregon.

Yeah, I remember that guy.

People are so mad at us. He came awfully close.

People are so mad at us because we bring up Travis Hunter on every podcast, but we've

been very, very clear that it is – we did this last year.

Jaden Daniels, we basically – we bet on him like halfway through the season, and then

we just pumped him up for the entire season.

I don't think we have that type of influence, but every little bit you're rigging it you guys are rigging the system well at the very least i i think it would be cool to see one of those two first players they mean like seeing it not go to a quarterback i think is always going to be yeah travis hunter deserves it yeah yeah he plays two positions he's a heisman trophy candidate at two different positions yeah all you have to do is win one he We'll settle for one Heisman. I say all the time that Colorado has the three best players in the country.
They have one of the best quarterbacks in the country. They have one of the best cornerbacks in the country.
And they have one of the best receivers in the country. One player responsible for two of those.
Yeah. He's two of the three best players in the entire nation.
That's a good point to put it. All right.
Last question, Ross. This has been so much fun.
We really appreciate it. Everyone do check out Ross' writing on Yahoo.
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My last question, I was going to do the lame thing of saying, oh, who's going to be in the national title game and who's going to win, but let me do something a little less lame. Our good friend, co-worker, Brandon Walker, you're a Mississippi State guy, right? I am a Mississippi State grad.
What does Mississippi State think of Brandon Walker? I have no idea. How am I supposed to know that? uh i don't know i wish i could uh i wish i could tell you i don't think i've had a whole lot of conversations with folks at mississippi state about brandon walker but i'm sure they love the publicity you know the cowbell cowbell loves a little national publicity for sure okay so next time you're back in starkville maybe just do a little straw poll yeah okay yeah i'll do a little i want his q rating i want his q rating i think it's pretty high because he is like he does he mississippi state's not a flashy school and he reps them very very hard and he's a good friend of ours but i would like to know his q rating okay i'll see if i can get that done for you okay what do you personally think of brandon walker well i don't no brain know Brandon that well.
I think I've only met him a couple times. I'll tell you this.
He's entertaining. Yeah.
He's got hot takes. He does college football right in the fact that college football is essentially, especially online, is just a hornet's nest.
And he just walks over every Saturday, and he just kicks the hornet nest. And he's just like, look what I did.
That's right. Well, then a day later.
He runs away. Yeah, he gets upset like a day later.
He's like, why is everybody being so mean to me on the World Wide Web? Oh, man. All right, well, Ross, thank you so much, man.
We really appreciate it. And we'll definitely have you back on.
This was fun. Yeah, y'all.
Good being on.

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And now here's Chris Brickley. And now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is a basketball trainer to some of the best players in the nba it is chris brickley uh chris thank you for coming in first of all second i think the first question that everyone's going to wonder is like dude your basketball trainer and your last name's brickley yes that's got to be a problem right yes let's just get that out of the way right now no for sure i see it on social media all the time.
Unfortunately, I couldn't control my last name, but no, that's definitely a joke on social media. Yeah, I mean, it's like, have you thought about changing your name to Swishly or something? That's actually a good idea.
Yeah. No, I haven't, but maybe I should.
Maybe you could just Cashly. Cashly would be good.
That's good too. But you know, Brickley's a rough, it's a rough last name for sure.
For sure. It's very funny.
So who's got the sweetest, most pure shot that you've ever seen? Man, I would have to go with probably Klay Thompson. Really? It's a pretty, pretty good shot.
You know, Kevin Durant has a very good shot. Just all different.
I mean, when Melo was in his prime, I feel like he was a really good shooter. Yeah, I've worked with a bunch of guys.
I've been blessed. Yeah, so your backstory is you played for Rick Pitino at Louisville.
Yep. Friend of ours.
Yep. Former foe, now friend.
Legend. So he came in here.
Yeah, legend. So at what point did you realize that, like, I assume when you're playing basketball growing up, you're going to Louisville, you're like, I could go pro.

For sure.

At what point was that like, okay, maybe I'm not pro.

Let's think about the next thing.

Yes, that was definitely the goal.

I get there, I'm going to walk on.

So, you know, I'm not playing many minutes.

I saw Coach Patino's lifestyle.

He would drive a Lexus.

He had a Rolex.

He lived a great life.

I'm like, damn, I want to do that.

So the goal was to be a coach at first.

So I was at Ole Miss for a year.

I was the youngest Division I assistant coach at Fairleigh Dickinson.

Then I was with the Knicks.

I was with the Knicks for four seasons.

Mello kind of took me under his wings.

I want you to be my trainer.

And that was when I was an intern. So it was crazy for the franchise player to pick an intern to be his trainer.
And it all happened because first game of the year, Mello misses the game winner. Everyone's like, don't talk to him.
No one talks to him after situations like this. So everyone left the locker room, and I just went up to him, and I just told him how I felt.
Went into the office the next day, and he's like, I want him to be my trainer. Wait, what did you say to him? No, I was like, don't worry about it.
It was a good shot. Yeah.
I was like, it was a good shot. You weren't like, you got to tuck your elbow in a little bit more or something? Definitely not.
I was like, it was a good miss. It was a good shot.
If it happened again, you would shoot the same shot. He liked that.
And Kenny Atkinson, whoon who i don't know he's been a head coach with a few teams that was his assigned guy and then um yeah i became his trainer and for four years i traveled the world with him year round and i met all these guys and so when i left the knicks that kind of set me up to start a business yeah how do you know when to make a correction in the shot off nights, right? For sure. So you can't micromanage that and be like, you know, he misses like, I don't know, 10 shots one night.
No, you're right. Hey, just so you know, you're doing this with your wrist.
You have to wait, right? You have to wait until there's like a body of evidence where it's like, we need to fix this. So when is that? I think if a player just in their workouts just aren't making shots if you look at their field percentage and they're shooting like 20 percent then you have to make it you have to make a change yeah but you don't want to you don't want guys overthinking it most nba guys they don't need to make too many changes but there's some guys that need to make changes lonzo ball uh is a guy that made a giant change in his shot a few years ago so we'll see how how that goes this year.
How do you know when it's mental as opposed to physical? That's a great question. Great question.
It's so mental. It's actually, you'd be surprised.
Some of the biggest superstars that have ever played have given me text midseason. Like, I lost it.
I don't got it anymore. And I'm like, bro, you're bugging.
Like, you're so-and-so. Like, you't you haven't lost it it's just up here so yeah it's definitely a big mental game yeah so so mellow takes you under his wing and then you start training him when did you open your gym and i have a question about your gym that i hope is not offensive but i do have a question about your gym yes but when did you open it so uh when i first started training with Mello, the 10th anniversary with Jordan, they built him his own Jordan gym.
It's called Terminal 23. I don't know if you remember that.
So I ran that. It was successful.
And then I moved to Lifetime. I ran that.
The Wall Street Journal came out with an article saying one summer of my workouts, it raised the lifetime membership inquiries 40 across the country wow so then we got reached out to by a company that uh a real estate company and they said we want you to design a gym you can live in the building and yeah that's your gym and so that's where i live that's a dream so is that gym only for like nba players or can other guys like our random guys? If you live in the building, you can use it. But I have first dibs on when I want to use it.
That's incredible. Are people in the building, could they come down and just watch? They do.
They do. So when LeBron's working out, there will be guys on the treadmill running for like two hours.
Yeah. It's the best work of life.
Yeah. Literally.
So the question about the gym, and again, I hope't offensive but i have a theory that uh the rims are a little bit bigger at your gym because everyone makes everything no one misses right this started with hoodie mellow yep when he was in the off season it was just like mellow literally doesn't miss now you could probably tell me and this is uh this is a real question like this is just how these guys are wired that if they're not being defended they're just never going to miss. For sure.
You're an average NBA player. They're not missing much but obviously I mean I'm not going to put their misses.
I'm not going to put a string of misses. Every now and then if you watch some of the videos I'll do a string out.
They might make 17 out of 20. So they might miss some shots.
But no yeah the joke is that no one's ever missed. Yeah.
It feels like like the best gym ever so when you get a guy like can you explain to people because this was this was my argument when we had the whole nfl nba player debate okay and i was like listen i understand that nfl players are incredible athletes i'm not saying that they can't like do great things i just don't think people understand that an nba player when they're in an open gym, they will just not miss. Like the worst guy on the bench, a big guy at the end of the bench can still shoot like 50-60% from three with no one in his face.
Yes, for sure. For sure.
I mean, guys that people just don't, Ben Simmons will go into the gym and he'll make eight out of ten threes with no one on him right um and you know it is what it is an nba player you are very very good uh people don't understand that now it changes when defense is on you and stuff like yeah we we have to talk about ben simmons as well because he's your guy obviously people i'm glad we brought that up because i was i was going to say something about ben simmons now i know he's your guy i will change my line of questions well it was just you know this is i don't know the fourth or fifth year where we're going into the season being like ben simmons looked the best he's ever looked is that actually real that he looks the best he ever looked so we've been told that i can only so i've i just started working with him he so i work with jimmy for a few years. That was like my guy.
He moved over to Jimmy's agent. So Jimmy's agent was like, you should try working with Ben.
So we just started working together last year. We worked during his injury.
He came back from his injury. He had a triple-double his first game, last play of the game.
Pinned a shot, broke his hand, was out for the season. So I think the work has been working.
He just has to stay healthy. I mean, if Ben Simmons has an incredible rejuvenation year, it will be huge for you.
Yeah, it will be. Are you watching these games? Obviously, you're not rooting for a team.
You're rooting for a guy. Are you watching these games being like, I'm living and dying with every Ben Simmons play? For sure.
I actually hate watching the games, the guys I work with closely. Especially if I'm at a game.
I've built a platform where some of the fans know who I work with. So I'll be there at the games.
And if a guy I'm working with doesn't play good, I have a guy behind me like, Yo! Brickley, what the fuck? Sorry, I don't know if you're supposed to swear. You can swear, yeah.
Fuck, shit, fuck. Literally, so especially Knicks games.
But yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, so you're going to be rooting for Ben.
You're going to be watching him closely this year. Some of the things I've heard about Ben, like that might be a mental thing that you're working with too.
I don't know exactly exactly what you're talking with him about but is there a way that you simulate pressure for your guys when they're shooting? Yeah so I think with Ben so he was an all-star three years in a row all-NBA three years in a row without having a great shot I think he can impact the game so many ways whether through passing D, through pushing in transition, that some guys you just don't need to be a shooter. You could still be.
So Ben Simmons just needs to be healthy, period. If he's healthy, he's going to have a great season.
It's that simple. I'm still a believer in Ben Simmons as crazy as it sounds.
He's young. He's still young.
He is full of energy. His body, he was injured.
And right now he's at 100%. Yeah, I've said for the last couple years that Ben Simmons would be one of the best players in the NBA if there was no basket.
That's true. If it was like a quarter, like he's got everything else.
And if you can get his shot going. Do you remember his all-star years, his rookie year? Yeah.
He was fun to watch. Magic Johnson vibes.
Yeah, I was buying all the it was like there's he's a game changer you can't you like he can guard anyone yep and very few people can match up yeah so i remember a few years ago probably like 20 years ago actually i think it was rick barry that was talking about shack and his foul shot and said he could get shack to shoot 80 from the line if he would do the granny shot if he would go underhand yeah but players don't want to do that i i think it's just a branding issue you got to rename it i was calling it the pimp grip for a while just because it sounds cooler is there something about the granny shot that's uh that gives it a little bit better touch if you're not a great shooter you know a player from louisville i think did that last year two years ago um so with that that's interesting i've never uh i've never recommended that but. What do you think the reaction would be if you recommended it? Probably wouldn't.
I might get some backlash. I already get some with Brickley being my last name.
But no, I don't know. I'll think about that.
The other one, I don't know if you've seen, but I think it's in South Korea. They're all shooting it off the backboard.
Yes, I see. On free throws.
I've seen that. It's crazy.
No, it is. It is.
The free throws is definitely mental. That's something.
You could find a great shooter, and even in workouts when we're in the gym, they'll start missing free throws. I'm like, you just made 85 out of 100 threes, and why are you shooting 6 out of 10 from the free throw line? It's just like a mental thing.
Yeah. So how many free throws you, how many free throws have you made in a row personally? Me personally? Uh, it's funny.
I won the New Hampshire. I grew up in New Hampshire.
Um, this free throw shooting contest when I was little, I made like, I don't know, 50 something in a row. Got a, got a trophy.
It's cool at the time. Yeah.
So back to Louisville and you're, you know, you're on, uh, Louisville with Patino as a coach. We've coach we've heard about his legendary workouts uh what was what's the hardest one that he would make your because that's what i always loved about patino teams they'd always feel like they never ran out of gas yes and their stamina was better than everyone else for sure so what was that like the practices and i was miserable so to be honest i was my my years at louisville i was miserable i woke up every morning pissed because I wasn't playing, but I was still having to do these ridiculously hard workouts.
So in practice, he has this thing. If you turn the ball over, you go on the treadmill.
Or if you mess up, you go on the treadmill. So we were number one in the country.
So I'm in the second unit. So I'm playing against the number one press in the country.
So I'm going to turn the ball over. Turn the ball over.
He says, go to the treadmill. So then I got to a point where it was like, I'm sick.
You're turning the ball over too much, Chris. When you turn the ball over, you're going to run outside and you're going to hold the pizza.
You're going to hold the sign up, a Papa John sign, and say, like, hiring, like I'm looking for a job. And he tried to do that to, like, humiliate me so I wouldn't turn the ball over so yeah that was some very interesting coach Patino uh moments but uh it took me I had to be removed like three or four years to be like wow he actually taught me a lot yeah did you stop turning the ball over after you had to do the hiring no we were the number one team in the country I was gonna turn it over regardless for sure when you put on that white suit did you know that he meant business I did serious I did that was that was a dope night that was uh so white all the fans were wearing white I think it was against Marquette I want to say maybe Jimmy Butler was on that Marquette team that was a dope night yeah so so we're we're on the precipice of the season and and you know you're training I know you do in-season training but a lot of this stuff happens summer.
The one thing I always love about the NBA is the best guys, it feels like they find one thing that they get way better at in the summer. Yep.
Can you tell us one or two guys that you've trained that you're like, watch out for this part of his game? So Paulo Benquero for the Magic. He's coming off of his first All-Star season.
His shot, I feel like he's going to be a very good shooter this year i think that'll

change everything for him i think that'll make him you know one of the one of the best players in the league okay that's one uh number two let's think of a player that's changed uh i don't know i would i'm just i i can't believe it's just mind-boggling to me that lebrron James is 39. Yeah.
Still dunking and still playing like he's 29. I think he's going to have a great season.
He's coming off being MVP of the Olympics. That whole him and Bronny thing, I'm excited about that.
So did you train him at all this summer? Yeah. And is he still trying to add things to his game? Yeah, his shot continues to get better.
If you look at the last, I don't know, three or four years, his three is getting better. Yeah.
And I think that's something that you need to do as you get older. You need to develop a shot.
Yeah, and how much of that is your direction versus does a player come in in the offseason and say, hey, this is what I want? Or do you say, hey, I've watched your game.

I think this is what we can add?

So how it is is they come in, they'll say, what do you think I need to work on?

And then they'll tell me what they think they need to work on.

Depending on, like, if it's a star player, I'm not going to be like, no, I don't think so.

But, you know, you have some delusional players that come in that might be like the eighth man

and might want to be like, I want to work on ISO moves. But it's like well you never in an iso situation right why are we doing that so it just depends on the player yeah yeah so it's interesting because there's some players that have unorthodox shooting styles right but but they're effective tyrese halliburton halliburton's one if you want to go back like sean marion another guy that nobody learns how to shoot like sean marion right but if it goes in then it works but if you're working with a guy that might have an unorthodox shooting style yep and he might be in a little bit of a slump how do you go about fixing that because like your mechanics that you normally teach might not apply to this guy for sure uh again it's just like a mental game and with the shot so um i'm with the knicks and phil jackson gets the job and he's literally um brings in the head coach fires him brings in the assistant coach fires him he's firing the whole staff so i call my dad i'm like just so you know i'm about to get fired right now i'm going to the interview um with phil and phil's like i have one question you're a shooting coach right and i'm like yeah and he's like uh tell me like what do you need to be a good shooter do you need to like is there one form do you need to hop into it you need to step into it and my answer was no there's not one way to shoot as long as you have good rotation and you have a good follow-through he liked that answer and I was actually the only guy that he kept oh wow um so that was so uh the whole shooting thing just being open-minded to it yeah i think that's a big it feels like too with shooting it's like it's everyone could shoot a different way the being able to repeat the motion too yes how do you how do you feel about your shot bad shots bad it was i actually when we first opened this office it was getting better yep um because we had the shotgun so i was getting like you know a couple hundred threes up a day yep uh but we've been with football and everything i've i haven't like shot in a long time are you someone that needs to like see the ball go in for a few workouts and then you'll shoot good the next day so i you can maybe explain this to me i i don't know i mean i i've played pickup for a long time i always find if i don't play basketball for a while my very first pickup game is incredible and then it just goes off that's that's definitely a thing that's a mental thing so the fact that you're saying that so that so yeah yeah like if i don't pick up a basketball for a couple months and i go play pickup i make everything and then if i play the next day i miss everything and so mentally okay You telling yourself that is probably the reason why that happens.
I'm mentally weak, yeah. But no, but also, that also shows that you can shoot and that some guys, it's amazing.
I don't want to say, I'll say the guy's name. So D'Angelo Russell, one summer when he was with the Nets, we worked closely.
We did three on-court workouts the whole off-season. That and he was all-star that year just because his mental was so strong his confidence so it's it's every player is different um there's no one right way to shoot there's no one right way to work it's interesting yeah how big of a freak is a guy like wimby because it feels like big guys they grow up shooting now like back in the day it's like they none of these guys had an outside shot but Wimby in particular given how unique his his body frame is for him to be that good at shooting he feels like just an absolute freak Wimby is the future of the league he's I think he'll be uh MVP multiple times he worked with Jamal Crawford closely this summer that was his trainer and Jam telling me, he's like, we've mastered the mellow footwork.
We've mastered the Dirk footwork. We've mastered the – he goes to sleep every night at 830.
He's like a machine. If he stays healthy, I think he'll be one of the greatest players that we've ever seen.
When did that happen when big guys all got together and they said, you know what, we're going to shoot too? Yeah, honestly, I think around 2014, 15. I don't know if you remember Ennis Kanter.
Yeah. He was a great big man, and then all of a sudden, there was no space for him in the league, along with some other things.
But it became like if you can't shoot, there's no spot for you in the league. It was interesting.
How long did it take you to perfect teaching the Eurostep? The Eurostep. Because it's obviously somewhat new.
I mean, it's been around for a while now. For sure.
You've seen it. Became such a big part of the game.
Yeah, in the last 10 years, it's just everyone has to have one and has to be a leader. I think working with James, I worked with James closely for a few summers.
James Harden. Yep, James Harden.
That was like one of his things. The E step, the side step, the step back.
So he kind of – a lot of players I learned stuff through, and I definitely learned how to teach that through James. Yeah.
What about guys trying to get an edge every offseason, trying to figure out how the referees are calling the game, trying to figure out how to draw more fouls? Do they practice that? The whole manipulating the refs thing, so you know how they change the rules. So that hurt James Harden, and that hurt Trey Young.
They would get into the free throw line 20 times a game by throwing their body into the player. Then they changed that rule.
You can't do that anymore. So I think the rules have changed, so it's tougher for players to manipulate the game.
Yeah, which is probably better for the game. For sure.
Yeah. How much do these guys train with you in the season? So it will be like long home stretches.
It will be like times when they lose their confidence. They might hit me up like, yo, Chris, come to Chicago.
I have no confidence right now. You got to use this gym now.
Yes. Because next time you come, you got to come back and we got to do a video.
I know we're in transition right now from Surviving Barstool, but I want to do a full video. We need to do a content piece where I work you guys out.
Yes, yeah. We're all the way in.
Let's do it. So we got to do it this season at some point.
Let's do it. I now give you guys a bunch of NBA drills and we'll see what we get.
Yeah, that would be bad. Just imagine like hypothetically a five foot eight and a half guy.
Let's say he's 39 years old. His three point shot looks like he's never seen a basketball before.
Okay. How good do you think you could make that hypothetical person if he had uh two months to just work on a shot i think i could do it so i have a i have a cool story so j cole came up to me uh three years ago and he said chris uh this might sound crazy but i want to be a pro basketball player um i want it does sound crazy yeah i'll give months, and I'll trust in you.
Every single day, he would put his kids to sleep, drive his bike to the gym at like 9 p.m. For the first month, we only shot with one hand in the paint.
For a month straight, which like that's a different type. His mentality is different to do that.
Month two, we put hands on the ball and we only shot mid-range. Month three we started shooting threes.
He actually signed a contract to play in the NBA Africa League. Played professionally in Canada and he actually got a knockdown jump shot.
So if you give me three months I got you. I didn't say me.
I said this is a hypothetical. Okay.
I might need to do this. It's not me.

Take three months and get my shot wet.

For sure.

How many hours would this person have to put in per day?

An hour and a half a night, about five days a week.

You could do that?

I think this person could probably do that.

Yeah, this person could do that.

Whoever he or she is.

Yeah.

Can you make anyone taller?

Maybe find some steroids.

Would that do it? Yeah. Well, our guy here, Hank, he's trying to dunk.
How tall is he? Hank, what are you, six feet? Six feet. So we made a bet with him.
Okay. He's got to dunk by the end of the year.
We made this bet like four months ago. He's been training really hard.
You're 31? 31. He's been training really hard.
He is 6 inches away from dunking right now? I got something for you. Literally, this sounds so elementary.
Get a jump rope and 6 days a week do 1,000 jump ropes. Sets at 250.
I bet that if you do that if you can do that for whatever few months, that you'll be able to dunk. All right.
So if he dunks because of this, you're going to have to pay for some of this because we have to pay him, I think, 10 grand each if he dunks. Ooh.
And we're planning on it. It's coming out of your pocket now.
Forget about that. I shouldn't have asked for the advice.
But he's been training for what? Like four months, five months? But so what's your training consist of? Have you been lifting with your legs, jumping? Yeah, a lot of legs, plyometrics. I've got an actual guy that's got a program that's built specifically for jumping.
Do you guys remember growing up those jump, those shoes? Yeah, PFT has them. But then they're tearing people's achilles.
Yeah, right, right. That's why I had to hang those up, yeah.
I imagine that there is a lot of junk science in the basketball shooting industry, right? For sure, yeah. Like some people that just don't know what they're talking about trying to do like an easy fix.
For sure. So what's the craziest thing that you've seen? The craziest thing that I've seen? I don't know.
I've seen some trainers come up with this, some weirds. I don't know that's been some weird stuff some trainers have like very weird what about hypnosis what's that like hypnotizing somebody you know like you know what that actually could work with like some guy that's like mentally like remember the whole markel fultz yeah like thing someone like that like when he was in his like the whole mental maybe I'll add that yeah so you train LeBron's son

Brian someone like that when he was in his the whole mental maybe I'll add that so you train LeBron's son Bronny and Melo's son which of the two is like their game is most like their father's Kyan Kyan Anthony I think he might go to Syracuse too he's a top 30 player in the country he's like 6'6 6'7 now I've seen him from like a little kid now he's now he's one of the top players in the country he's gonna be really good yeah yeah so uh who is who in the NBA has had the most improved shot that you've worked with who's like kind of went from one um I guess kind of kind of a cool story with CJ McCollum so I started working with, and he wasn't playing much for Portland. We worked the whole summer, and he became NBA's most improved player.
So that was like a cool instant. You could see it.
Kawhi Leonard, we worked the summer. He wanted to learn Mello's footwork.
And after that, he got finals MVP and kind of like broke out. So that's some cool stories where we put the work in and it showed.
Yeah. How good of a shooter is Lethal Shooter? Great shooter.
He just – every video he just makes everything. Yeah, no, he's a great shooter.
I'm definitely – I'm a fan of his content. Yeah.
Do you guys – do you have like a text chain with all the NBA trainers? Nah, I don't. A lot of NBA trainers are like haters

to other trainers and stuff.

I'm not that guy.

I support, unless you're doing some like bullshit,

I support you.

Yeah.

And I support Lita the Shooter for sure.

Are there any like turf wars between coaches and you?

For sure.

It used to be a lot.

Just because, you know, I use social media.

I'll post the workouts.

You know, a few, like maybe eight years ago, no one was doing that. And so I definitely got backlash.
And some of the agents didn't like me. But now I've grown a brand that shows that it's worked.
So I don't really get much of that anymore. I have good relationships.
Yeah, so your brand has gotten so crazy that you were in the last year's. Was it last year's NBA 2K? in my in my gym yeah in your gym do you know that people were like mad at you about it i found a comment online it said uh fuck chris brickley all my homies hate chris brickley this motherfucker man i wish i could punch his ass in game why is he a better defender than prime kawaii never doing the brickly weekly thing again bro ais are fucking crackheads in this game yes i've actually seen that that's actually hilarious that's been the video game world for sure i uh piss a lot of people off sometimes you can't get into my gym in the video game world yeah it's like it's uh it's i'll be in the airport and like the airport security guy will be like man like they'll give me a little attitude it's interesting that whole video game thing that kind of changed my life i didn't realize how many people play two games yeah yeah you ever walk around just doing the shooting motion just like going down the sidewalk no but in the house i will i'll be like you know fake dribbling yeah you gotta cross someone up every now and then gotcha yeah are you really good at beer pong um i'm actually not that good i'm not that that's mental that is i can fix that in a couple days so you can teach me that i can fix that in 10 minutes just get a little bit drunk yeah okay have three or four beers yeah that's the way to do it let's do it yeah when i come train you guys we'll also play a game of beer pong yeah i want i want to i want you to train us and get all of our shots just wet we need that we need that um all right well this has been awesome man we really appreciate you coming by as we progress through the season every fan knows that big wins are hard to come by and tough losses are even harder to accept but you know what isn't hard to accept discover believe it or not discover is accepted at 99 of places that take credit cards nationwide.
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Based on the February 2024 Nielsen report, learn more at discover.com slash credit card. Who's the one player that you'd love to train that you haven't been able to? It could be actually, it could be someone retired too the one guy steph okay yeah so i had so uh about three years ago steph hit me and it was the end very end of the summer i was done my runs he was like uh yo chris can you put together a run for me there wasn't enough nba guys in the in the city at the time i couldn't do it so that didn't work out but um since then i want to see how good he is do you have guys uh that are not nba guys but like that you have in your phone that you can be like hey i need you to come play because kawaii's in town uh yeah like i kind of like overseas guys the guys that used to play i do i have a few few of those guys but you never want too many of those guys the runner look crazy but if i need like two guys to fill in guys yeah yeah do you ever let like are you ever like one one guy gets hurt and there's a guy on the treadmill at your building and you're like hey can you get in there actually literally that just happened that's insane it was a run that went super viral it was like jalen brunson versus manuel quickly aaron gordon a bunch of nba guys are playing We only had 10 guys.
Someone got hurt. We went and found a random guy working out, and we're like, yo, can you just play in this run for a little bit? And he played in the run.
And was he terrible? No, I told him he couldn't shoot. Oh, okay.
That makes sense. I mean, that's a dream.
Yeah. Being able to be like, yeah, I played pickup with Jalen Brunson and Emmanuel quickly.
For sure. That guy's got to pull one, though.
Yeah. If he's open, it's like they're disrespecting me.
For sure. And I think he might have shot a shot or a layup.
Yeah. You should have the Papa John's sign ready to go.
When that situation comes up, be like, hey, if you shoot a shot, you're going to go outside. Coach B style.
Yeah, Coach B style. Love it.
Well, thank you so much, man. Thank you.
Really appreciate it. It was awesome to have you on and yeah we gotta we gotta set it up I'll be back give us a whole workout 100% I'm just gonna say I'm rooting for Ben Simmons this year yeah I want to see what you can do I like to hear that yeah I mean it would be a great comeback because the internet is it's bad that's what the internet's a terrible terrible place tears everyone down and hopefully you know but they but the internet comeback story too.
They do. They do.
Yeah. So everyone will just all of a sudden be like, I was always a Ben Simmons fan.
Facts. I'll just say, I became a Ben Simmons fan.
I'll be nice about it. Yeah, I'll just lie.
Yeah. And say, I've always ruined it.
That's what they do. I never went against them.
Yeah. That's what they do.
Yeah. Well, thanks so much, man.
Appreciate it. Thank you.
Hey, it's Rhea ria from tricks in the office it's officially mini skort season and abercrombie has the ones to go out in their scarlet mini is a classic it's one of those skirts that fits the outfit vibe for any plans and i'm excited to style their new sienna skort it's a little more flirty and it's perfect for date night make plans to go out in abercrombie shop their newest arrivals in store and online okay let's wrap up guys on chicks by the way we got a big interview coming friday people are going to really like our interview on friday yeah it's it's going to be rad yeah it was a very fun dude to talk to also during that interview with chris brickley if i was sounding flustered that's the day that my el camino broke down in traffic and i was like 20 minutes late that was yeah and i like sprinted in

and then just sat down my chair i was like okay interview yeah they showed up and i was like

uh yeah pft's on his way but his el camino broke down like what yeah but really cool guy and we're

gonna have him come back so it was the the court was inoperable at the moment when he came uh he's

going to come back and we're going to do a training video with him yeah he's gonna get us wet

Thank you. come back so it was the the court was inoperable at the moment when he came uh he's going to come back and we're going to do a training video with him yeah he's gonna get us wet guys on chicks what athlete do you i don't know there's guys on chicks really but what athlete do you guys think you have spent the most hours of your lifetime watching for instance for max might be jason kelsey because of watching every eagles game in his long tenure but then you also have to factor in how many hours we've spent watching Brady and LeBron and their insane longevity and always playing in the big games.
I think it might be Brady. Or, yeah, like Manning or Brady.
Or LeBron. Yeah, actually, LeBron's probably the answer.
Because of the time. Yeah.
More games. Yeah, 20 years.
Every postseason. Yeah, it's LeBron.
David Ortiz is me i think it's got it yeah it's got to be like a baseball player that you that has been around for a long time because there's so many more baseball games than there are i guess basketball but you're not watching every lebron i'm not watching every baseball game either like a player on a team that i don't i'm not invested in like i'm not sitting and watching mike trap games you know think about how much LeBron you've probably watched. I mean, you've watched every playoff game he's ever been in.
True. And he's been in a million playoff games.
I think it might be LeBron. Most watched athlete.
Yeah. Tiger Woods, sneaky up there, though.
Hours? No, but he doesn't play enough. Yeah.
Yeah. I think LeBron is – yeah, LeBron Brady is probably up there, too.
Yeah, it's probably that. Mahomes, if he plays for a long time, just because you can now, like, watch every game no matter what.
But there's so many less football games. Yeah, mine's probably Ortiz.
Ortiz was 2004 to 2000. But LeBron has just been around for so goddamn long.
It's crazy. Like, how many playoff games has LeBron played in? Let's see.
I'm going to guess, what, 98? 287 playoff games. It's LeBron.
Yeah. That's an insane amount of playoff games.
Is that like four seasons worth of playoff games? You've been watching every single one. There might be a couple that you missed, but for the most part, you watched every LeBron playoff game.
Yeah. I came home from a trip, and there are bite marks on my good cheese, like two giant bite marks.
I asked, and he said he didn't want the dishes. Is normal behavior is this a guy's on dogs it sounds like a mouse no i think she's saying she she left the house went on a trip came back and then her boyfriend or husband ate the cheese but didn't cut it with a knife yeah what do you what do you expect yeah no i i mean i i would actually expect cutting with a knife because i just do the paper towel move where i just make a plate with a paper towel yeah but sometimes you just open up the fridge and there's cheese in there and then you're just like i'll take a just quick nibble did you think he ate the cheese then put a cracker in his mouth i'll do that sometimes made a combined yeah make a sandwich in your mouth made his own rich bits yeah this is just gotta take a bite yeah to take a bite.
Yeah, sometimes you got to. If it's good cheese, you got to do it.
I don't understand. You leave a bite mark.
Like, did he sink his teeth? That is savage behavior. You have to.
Like, you should be able to get a clean. Right.
To make it look like you cut it. Because I do the rip.
Like, if we have banana bread, I rip it. And then I'll come back and cover my track.
Yeah, that is. I think the smartest move is to go in and just break the triangle corner off the cheese with your fingers.
Your finger and your thumb and then you just pop that in. Yeah.
Yeah, the bite marks doesn't make a lot of sense. That's a savage.
I was working in the hospital on Sunday and decided I wanted to make soup for dinner. I Instacarted everything I needed to be delivered.
I come home later to find out my husband is mad at me for dumping all those groceries on me to carry upstairs and put away without asking me first. His reasoning is that it's football Sunday and he also wanted the flexibility to take a nap without having to get up for groceries and sitting outside.
My husband is ridiculous, right? We are currently trying for our first baby. Won't he have to temper his Sunday expectations a little when we have our baby? Thanks, guys.
I love this guy because his wife is possibly pregnant. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Yeah. There's a follow-up.
Oh, man. They're fighting.
I love this. Hey, fellas.
This is the husband from the grocery store. To be clear, it was three heavy bags of 20 items plus a case of water bottles.
Just saying, love the show and my marriage. Okay.
All right. So I love this guy because number one, his wife, she might be pregnant.
Number two, she's working at a hospital, like saving people's lives during the day. Number three, ordered ingredients from a grocery store so she can come home and make him soup.
And he just wants to sit on the couch and watch football. He's like, I have to take these groceries up the stairs.
She ruined my Sunday. Yeah.
I'm going to side with the wife here. And let me just explain it in a football analogy because this guy is a football guy.
you got to take the easy check down every now and then there's certain things that if you had just done five minutes of putting the groceries away you're a hero you took the easy pass just get a completion and don't have them come home and be like what the hell is this i would say you're you're like harrison bucker not in the way of him talking about women, but in the way of you're mad at Patrick Mahomes for not getting the ball on the hash mark that you like it for a Super Bowl winning kick. Yeah.
The easy completions are all around us. You just got to keep picking them up.
Take out the trash before you're asked to. Yeah.
Clean the dishes. If there's a couple dishes in there, just clean them up.
Easy completions make you an elite quarterback. That's actually one of my favorite moves.
If you're ever at a significant other's house, and maybe it's your first or second time being around the family, go in the kitchen, take the trash bag out, take it out to the trash can without being asked, and everyone's like, wow, you married a hero. Yeah, it's a long time.
Thanksgiving morning, I always preach to everyone everyone because you know you're gonna want to watch football and sit on the couch and get drunk and eat thanksgiving morning find one thing that is like i'll go get ice or i'll go do this oh we got to pick up the pies just do the one thing that everyone like oh he went and did that check mark and announce it to make sure everyone knows that you did that thing hank's for breaking moves right now breaking moves yeah we can end on this unfortunate uh breaking moves banner night for the Celtics meanwhile uh Joel Embiid and Paul George are out for the opener versus Bucks on Wednesday load management I like it Embiid is progressing well and ramping up scrimmaging this week week. He will not play this week.
George will be re-evaluated later in the week. He's fine.
This sounds fine. It's October basketball.
Do you have anything? Who gives a fuck about October basketball? I'm excited for tonight. Yeah, you're a loser.
It's literally Banner. Yeah, that doesn't work.
Figuratively.

Do you have anything to say, Max, about Jared McCain bothering everyone with his vlogging?

That was funny.

Yeah, did you guys see that?

Kyle Rower was like, dude, turn that off.

The fuck are you doing?

I mean, that's just like vet rookie, you know.

Just back and forth.

Jabs back and forth.

Let the new guy do his little TikToks, and the old guy's gonna be mad about it yeah it's fun stuff fun stuff i love that no that was that was fun that was fun stuff but we're not concerned about mb and paul george being out no it's fucking october okay who gives a shit is it a good omen or a bad would you rather than play rather them play? I don't care. Yes, I would rather them play.
All right. So then it matters a little.
It matters maybe like 1%. Okay.
I don't know what the percentage is of, but it's 1%. 1% of something.
It's usually 100. Of my brain.
Yeah. Would you prefer them to play? Yeah.
Yeah. I guess I won't watch that game now on Wednesday.
Damn. Shit.
like actually yes i will yeah you will maxi'll go off yeah i'll go for like yabu yabu jared mccain jared mccain you gotta watch it it's you gotta watch it because then it's like watching a hard knocks preseason game you're gonna get to watch the the vlog later of behind the scenes and andre Andre Drummond, great backup center now. Not as good as B-Ball Paul.
I love B-Ball Paul. Yeah, don't say anything about B-Ball Paul.
All right. Good show, boys.
Hank, have fun. Yeah, you're a loser-fest tonight.
The one word you can't use for Banner Night is calling Hank a loser. But Hank, I mean, he is a loser.
No. I mean, objectively speaking, Hank is the biggest winner on this show.
But not in the literal sense. Yes.
In the other sense. What's the other sense? I don't know.
What are you trying to say? That Hank's the worst. Agreed.
Say that you should have said that say that probably i'm the worst because i win yeah partially that's why you think i'm the worst if i was a loser you'd feel bad numbers oh hank's a good guy numbers like you that's what they say about you like oh max love him great guy three 18 five great sports 11 being 17 Memes, I gave you a pause there

Yeah, I was laughing

What Hank said about Max was funny

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What was your number, PFT?

5

17 for Memes

Memes and PFT have never gotten this.

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Love you guys.

Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.