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October 16th and the Jets have done it they've hit the Devontae Adams button that he will fix

everything for their season it's great this is actually a master class in PR by Woody Johnson

and his son Brick Johnson and the entire New York Jets organization because they didn't even

let the media have a single news cycle where we're talking about what happened on Monday night

And I'll see you next time. brick johnson and the entire new york jets organization because they didn't even let the media have a single news cycle where we're talking about what happened on monday night and also thank you for for just wiping that memory of that game out of my brain oh my god um and we can talk about the reps a little bit so many calls but this is so many flags this is this is perfect pr for the jets you lose a monday football game and then next day you completely change everybody's mind and now Jets fans are happy.
Did you even have time to really get upset about this loss? No, I think a half hour into waking up the news broke. That's great.
Every team should be so lucky. The fan base should be so lucky that when you have an embarrassing loss, you wake up the next morning and you're like, oh, new toy.
It's literally the fix it button. You're two and four.
You look like shit on Monday Night Football. Well, you looked okay at times, but you also had a Hail Mary.
Defense looked like shit. Defense looked like shit.
You fired your coach. Can't make a kick.
Can't make a kick. You didn't even get the new coach bump, but Devontae Adams.
And we did say it. His post two weeks ago, Edgar Allen Poe famously lived in New York City, the end of his life.
At the end of the career. That was exactly what happened.
So Devontae Adams fix everything? Memes? Fix everything. Can't stop the run.
Devontae Adams. Can't make a field goal.
Devontae Adams. Million penalties.
Devontae Adams. Care Wilson now getting squeezed out, Devontae Adams.
No, not squeezed out. Squeezed in.
Well, the last two games, Garrett Wilson's been targeted a lot, but he's going to lose targets. But then you put Devontae Adams in the spots where he wasn't getting the ball.
But what happens to Alan Lazar? Because he's got to get his targets too. He'll still get some.
He'll get the scrappy throws. The scrappy throws.
You want more weapons. You want more weapons.
We need as many weapons as good as possible. I don't think you heard memes, Big Cat, when he said he's getting squeezed in.
He's getting squeezed in. Squeezed in, yes.
He's further in. You're jamming him all the way in.
Let me ask you a question. He's going to have more opportunities to be open.
Let me ask you a question, memes. How much what do you think Garrett Wilson and Aaron Rodgers relationship, where it's at? If, hypothetically, Aaron Rodgers next year, at the end of this year said, this Jets organization is a dumpster fire.
I want to trade. I want to go to the Vikings.
Do you think he brings Garrett Wilson with him? Because that's really the sign of whether Aaron Rodgers loves you or not. I think he would.
I don't think the Vikings could afford Garrett Wilson. This is perfect because I have been hoping for the last two years that the way this would all shake out for Aaron Rodgers

is he goes to the Jets and then he goes to the Vikings.

He does the Brett Favre.

The guy he started his career out hating the most.

It's like you become your parents at some point in life when you get older.

And then Aaron Rodgers just goes on to commit welfare fraud.

I think that would be awesome. I got another question for you memes.
This is me reading a tweet, and I'd like you to comment on it. Aaron Rodgers wanted Devante Adams and got him.
Aaron Rodgers had no opinion on whether Robert Salah should be fired, and then it's a meme of Dr. Evil saying, right.
Oh, it's Dr. Evil.
It's a classic.

Was that Nathaniel Hackett that did that? No. Well, he probably liked it.
Yeah. Did Florio tweet that? That was Florio's tweet.
Yeah. Makes a pretty good point.
Makes a pretty good point. I think Aaron Rodgers just works there.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers has any say. He was as surprised as you or me when we found out that Coach Salah was fired.
You think he actually – he probably had to ask, like, whoever the big dom is in the Jets organization, he probably had to ask him for Woody Johnson's number this morning to be like, hey, can we please have Devontae Adams? Because they'd never had that kind of relationship before. You think Woody Johnson was like, actually, Aaron, that's a great idea.
Yeah, shit. Thanks for bringing that up.
I'm surprised it took that long. Hit the button.
It does feel like you forgot your wife's anniversary, and then you show up the next day and you bought her a car. That's kind of what's going on with the Jets right now.
Remember Kobe after the Colorado, and then his wife had the biggest ring ever at the press conference? That's what Devontae Adams is for you. Hank, Hank, Hank, please.
Please, Hank. I have a quote, another quote.
Oh, I like this. I like this reading quotes.
I'm not a big Jets fan, in case you don't know that. I thought Coach Salah really did a good job with this team.
That's kind of what it's been there with the Jets. They've barely won over 30% in the last 10 years, the owner being the owner, ready, fire, aim.
So, Hank, before memes chimes in, that guy sounds like there's no way that person knows

anything about football, right?

Sounds like his last loss was against the Jets.

Or the Jets.

Does that person know anything about football?

Yeah, it was Bill Belichick.

Oh, shit.

Bill Belichick wouldn't know anything about coaching for the Jets.

Twice.

He did it twice.

Memes?

I fucking hate Bill Belichick.

Bill Belichick does not like the Johnson family at all no shit yeah you think was it the part of the quote that he said what did he say about him ready fire aim the owner being the owner ready fire aim the owner being the owner they've barely won over 30% in the last 10 years the owner being the owner anytime you have you have to double a name, it's like Manny being Manny. The owner being the owner, enough said.
Belichick on the Manny cast is the greatest TV of all time. He just gets so mad.
When they have anybody else on, I change the channel. But when it's Belichick, that's good stuff.
Because Belichick, it feels like he's been waiting all these years to get all these takes off, and he finally has a platform where he feels comfortable just unloading on people.

He was getting so mad every time they didn't keep contain on Josh Allen last night.

Yeah.

You've got to fucking keep him in there.

And just having Eli's presence there is enough to piss him off.

Yeah.

So he gets in that mood where he's like, oh, I need to turn on somebody else because I have to look at Eli.

Yeah.

So memes, you got Devontae Adams to fix everything. Can we talk about the game, though? Because you guys are not good.
Yeah. Well, which aspect? I thought the offense looked fine.
I thought the offense looked okay. Yeah, yeah.
It was better than what it was, and then you rely on your defense, and then the defense just looked like absolute shit from the first drive. You did get seven points, though, from a Hail Mary, which you can't.
I guess with Aaron Rodgers, you probably can rely on that because he's just – I tweeted it at the moment. The fact that when he goes back – first of all, the Bills rushing two was so idiotic.
But when he goes back for Hail Mary, in my head I'm like, this is a 50-50 shot, which is insane. insane I expect it to happen what if the Jets just ran an all Hail Mary offense like if they got past the 40 yard line why not just throw the ball four times in a row into the end zone teams wouldn't be ready for it although I would imagine the pass rush would probably be a problem because they wouldn't rush two every time the first time they did that they'd probably get a touchdown in their first four attempts because they'd be like, surely they won't run the Hail Mary again.
Yeah. And then just keep doing it.
Yeah, I expected the pass to be caught. He's got the perfect trajectory on his Hail Marys.
He's figured it out. I don't think Rodgers was bad per se.
The last play, obviously everyone's debating, that was vintage Rodgers kind of hero mode where he did have Brees Hall. I don't know if Brees Hall would have gotten the first down, but it was third down.
So you had another down to work with. It did look like he had a mild run, Brees Hall, like of open space, but everybody was running back because they saw Aaron Rodgers.
Correct. And that's how his last play with the Packers, remember, was the exact same play where he threw it deep, and I think he had Lazard underneath, and it was just hero ball.

He goes into hero ball every now and then, but I didn't walk away from that game saying, oh, Aaron Rodgers is totally washed or anything. I thought the refs ruined that game to such an insane level that I was starting to not like football for a minute.
When they flagged during the commercial break,

our guy Deion Dawkins got flagged

in the middle of the commercial break.

I was like, they're just doing everything.

And then somebody on the Jets got flagged

for an inappropriate discussion with the referee.

And then there were several plays.

I think there were multiple plays in the fourth quarter

where there were flags on both teams.

And it was just every single play had happened. And it dawned on me i think the nfl has too many rules yeah i think we need less rules in the nfl it has to be a one-in-one-out policy whenever the competition committee gets together they figure out a new rule yeah you can add that rule but you got to take one out so hip drop tackle got added and offsides gets taken away exactly or you can take out like hands to the face who cares about hands to the face no i don't care about nobody cares about hands to face shouldn't count unless the helmet comes up get rid of the rule that says that you can't advance a punt yeah you should be able to advance a punt if it's if it's muffed what i there was an unnecessary roughness on a pass block where the guy just there was no hands to the face yeah yeah he just got pancaked i'd never seen it before it was crazy finished the play yeah it was insane that's like what you're taught to do as an offensive lineman it was that it the both roughing the passer calls were egregious uh Rodgers even said it he was like yeah that was that was a terrible call on on when roughing the passer on Josh and it was a terrible call when they called it for me too so like So, like, I appreciate Rodgers just saying that.
He ripped the refs afterwards. He's going to get big-time fine.
But guess what? Devontae Adams. And that's the Aaron Rodgers rule, too, that he got.
Yeah. There's the body weight landing on him.
At that point, what do you do if you're the defender? You've got him wrapped up. You're trying to strip the ball out.
You've got to lose some weight. And you have to defy the laws of physics in midair.
You've got to, like, put a shot of Ozempic in you as you're bringing him down. It's insane.
That was nuts. The tuck rule that wasn't, he called Aaron Rodgers.
I think on the field, they said it was a fumble, and then expedited review jumped in, and instantly expedited review said, no, that's an incomplete pass. Then McDermott tried to challenge the expedited review, and you can't really challenge the expedited review but i did like the expedited reviews to actually have been working there was a couple times the the garrett wilson touchdown where the ref was just staring at it and it was so obviously a touchdown and they just immediately like yeah that was a touchdown i actually think that they did the they expedited the expedited review too fast yeah on the on the tuck rule play because i don't think that they realized exactly what happened and I think that probably should have been a fumble.
The good news is it was so bad. It was just bad everywhere.
So we can't even, I don't know if you can walk away being like one team got especially screwed because everything was just bad. I thought the refs were going to give us one.
Yeah. And then Braylon Allen scores and then holding.
Holding. I was like, we're not getting shit.
You should be allowed to hit the long snapper. That's another rule we can get rid of.

Get rid of that one.

No fair catches.

I like no fair catches.

No illegal touching.

Except for the Browns.

They need illegal touching.

Quarterbacks.

Have to.

By the way, there's another team that played in this game, the Bills,

and they are back.

Josh Allen was awesome.

Josh Allen has been awesome.

Do you know that Josh Allen has not thrown an interception this year? That concerns me. That's a bad thing.
I'm just saying. We got to be consistent.
For all the talk about all his turnovers, I also have a Josh Allen stat for you. The Glazen's crazy, bro.
But Josh Allen has the most passing and rushing touchdowns since the start of the 2022 season, and it's not really close. He jalen hurts his second with 81 patrick holmes with 78 he was i mean and now he adds amari cooper who gets out of jail yeah so it's like the uh the the bills hit the cooper button yeah but they didn't even need to they're four and two with what feels like a i don't want to say commanding but it does feel like a commanding lead in the AFC East because of who's in that division and how they've been playing.
And yeah, the Bills, that was a good win for the Bills where it's like you're coming off some questions, two tough games, and they went into a tough environment. Going up against a team that just fired a coach is like, that's unfair advantage for the other team.
Yeah, that's what I thought the Jets, I did not factor in the fact that their defense would look a little bit worse and more disorganized because they elevated their defense coordinator to head coach. I didn't factor that part in.
And they need Hasan Reddick, who now is being shopped around. They have a tight window, is what the report came out, that the Jets gave him a tight window to call around and see if anyone else wants him.
This might be a buyer beware situation big cat i'm not sure if his son reddick is necessarily the best team player but at least they'll figure out a price before which the jets should have done yeah so whoever whoever trades for him probably talk to the agent get the contract set up yeah so i think he got fired by his agent he did it's very rare that happens. Johnny Manziel got fired.
Because they got, I guess the report was that they had a one-year deal basically set that was going to be pretty good for Hassan Redick. And he was like, no.
And his agency was like, we can't do this anymore. You don't want this.
Yeah. So I don't know if any teams are going to give up really anything of substance to get Hassan Redick right now.

Yeah, I don't know.

The only team I could think would be the Eagles.

That was crazy.

What was the third-round pick you gave up for Devontae Adams?

Conditional?

A third round that could become second.

The same deal for Hassan Redick.

And if Hassan Redick goes to an NFC team in a trade,

it's second to Philadelphia automatically.

Oh, so you're probably not going to trade Hassan to an NFC team then? Probably not. Yeah.
Wait, well, how is that? Oh, the Eagles had that in there. The Eagles had that.
You're not allowed to trade him to the NFC. That was smart.
That's smart. Moved by the birds.
Good job by Howie. Howie.
Just max out of curiosity, what did the Eagles give up for Jahan Dotson, who is not Devontae Adams or Amari Cooper? They gave up a third. Okay, cool.
Either way, I was impressed by the Bills. Josh is awesome.
I mean, he's awesome. He's now adding Amari Cooper, who I actually think Amari Cooper would be good because it's not that Amari Cooper was bad this year.
He just had Deshaun Watson, and you could just see that he wanted to be anywhere but where he was. How good is this day for Murray Cooper? You feel like Shawshank Redemption.
You feel like you climbed through, was it like 1,500 yards of shit? It's incredible. And now you're out the other side.
Good for him. Also, good for the Browns just making Deshaun Watson's life that much more difficult.
Torture. The torture keeps going.
It gets even worse. I trade every single weapon they have and make him go out there and play don't let nick chubb play this year i i like nick chubb save nick chubb yeah marie cooper last year uh yeah he had he had uh 12 12 50 in yards that's pretty damn good and he's what 29 he's 30 now 30 he's 30 yeah he's he's younger than we we always think.
But yeah, the Bills look good. I also like the Taylor, the corner wrap who had the Guardian helmet on, who was out for a concussion, still just going head first, balls to the wall, trying to kill people.
Yeah. Respect that.
Yeah. The Guardian cap, I'm still not used to seeing the Guardian cap out there.
I think it kind of looks cool. I feel like when I was watching that and they were saying it I felt like he was out with a concussion and they basically said you can come back you just have to wear the guardian cap The NFL loves selling merch so much I wonder if they'll have a fat head but it's a guardian cap They need to sell guardian caps for our hats We should get a guardian cap fat head on this wall I don't know It's growing don't know why it's a logo in a different fabric yeah i'm like oh that's cool shockingly uh damar hamlin doesn't wear the guardian cap no damar hamlin was out there snatching people's souls yeah just laying the lumber yeah pretty wild stuff he's out there but yeah so so uh to sum it up jets devante adams fixes everything in bills uh they quieted any concerns that they would, that things were kind of falling apart with their last two performances.
And I feel like they're in a good spot. Did you get any, like any vibes from Ulbricht in terms of what we can expect from him? Nope.
I didn't either. I just got a vibe that Nathaniel Hackett was sitting up in the booth being like, God damn it.
That first drive was the first drive. the Jets went right down the field? It was the first or second drive.
Second drive. Second drive.
And just him, like it's kind of mean that he's still there. I think he called the Hail Mary.
I think that was a Hackett special. You think that was a Hackett? Yeah.
All of Aaron Rodgers' Hail Mary completions have been under the tutelage of Nathaniel Hackett. Not all of them.
No? I don't think so. No, he's probably on the Jaguars for one of them.
Yeah. I mean, he was only...
Nathaniel Hackett was only the Green Bay quarterbacks coach, I want to say, for like two years. Three years.
The Hail Mary Whiskey. 2019 to 2021.
I don't think you could have a beard that long as a head coach. Oh, I was just about...
I just said this to memes. Have we talked about how phenomenal his beard is? The beard is perfectly manicured.
It is a perfect beard. It looks almost fake how good the beard is.
And it's crazy because he's not. Aaron Rodgers probably appreciates that.
He's not that old. We don't shame having a little bit of gray in your beard around here.
No, I'm just saying. It's only 47.
It's crazy, though, the lineup that he does on it. He must shave that line twice a day.
I think you can't shave that in the morning and then have it pop at like 11 p.m. like he was having it pop.
You don't like the beard? No, I like the beard. I just think it looks good if he's a defensive coordinator regular like assistant coach but what about mcfay what about lafleur they don't have long like santa claus they got scruff that beard demands respect i disagree i i i'm just saying as in terms of if you're looking at a head coach like if you're mocking up a head coach when are you drawing in the lines on the beard are perfect the lines are crazy i i respect the beard as a man who's faceballed i could only dream of having a beard like that however i think it's too manicured for especially a defensive head coach like he spends a lot of time working on the beard i would like it to be a little scraggly a little little more unkempt.
I mean, look at those lines.

Yeah.

He uses a protractor to shave his beard.

He's got a good beard.

I'm going to look at it more, Hank.

I still don't know anything about the guy.

Yeah.

He's just not giving us anything.

I'm not going to rule out your take, Hank. The beard just doesn't give head coach vibes.

I could see that.

That was my take.

Maybe go goatee.

Goatees should come back. Goatees are cool.
All right. It's weird how all these trades happened during the NFL owners meetings.
That is interesting. Speaking of the NFL owners meetings, Jerry Jones is at the part of the season where he's threatening radio host jobs.
Yeah, I saw that. So he went on his – Oh, yeah, bad birthday yeah he did his hit on it on the local radio that he does every week and he basically was like i'll find someone else to to to ask these questions if you keep asking these questions yeah so they they asked him about making personnel moves fair question because jerry's the gm i would say that's a very fair question and he said this is not your job should i do my jerry? It is his job.
It's not your job. Your job isn't to let me go over the reasons.
That's George Bush. I did something and I'm sorry that I did it.
That's not your job. I'll get somebody else to ask these questions.
I'm not kidding. Yeah, it's George Bush.
You gotta figure out what the team's doing, right or wrong. If y'all are 85 or 10 like you, you need to come to this NFL meet.
I'm going today with 32 teams here you're geniuses and that was jerry jones jerry jones that was jerry jones doing jerry jorge bush for coming on the show also a little mike greenberg in there yeah uh but yeah jerry jones is losing it yeah bad birthday for jerry bad birthday for gino too it was just maybe it's the opposite of having the baby bump if you have have a birthday, that feels like it might be bad news.

Trevor Lawrence won his only game this year on his birthday.

Okay, counterpoint.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's hit or miss.

Jerry's upset.

Mike McCarthy says he relishes the opportunity to correct this team.

He was just thinking about hot dogs. He was like two hours late to his press conference.

Everyone thought he might have gotten fired.

Or got lost.

Yeah, he was probably doing his hot dogs. He was probably just eating his hot conference.
Everyone thought he might have gotten fired. Or got lost.
Yeah. Yeah.
He was probably doing his hot dogs. He was probably just eating his hot dogs.
Okay. Should we talk a little baseball real quick before we do college football? Yeah.
The Mets, even the series, memes, congrats. That was a big day for you.
The bats woke up right away. It was the greatest three innings,

and then it was the most stressful baseball game after that.

Yeah.

How do you feel about Diaz coming in to pitch four outs?

So based on everything that's been going on in the playoffs,

it looks like a bad strategy because they get the one out, and then they get like 20 minutes of rest, and then they come they come back cold yeah so i don't love it because it kind of happened to stanick stanick came in got the out came in then got runners on second and first so i don't love it okay it felt like yeah a lot of mets fans were panicking that situation but again you had the first three innings great first three innings great first three innings. Minaya shoved.
Me and Max were talking about Otani. Okay.
He shouldn't be leading off. Why? Because he was like 0 for 19 with runners not on.
Yeah, he was like 16 for 19 with runners on. 0 for 19.
No, I know, but then they showed the stat where he was like 16 for 18 with runners in scoring position or something. Yeah, so if you swap Mookie Betts with Shohei, it's probably the greatest of all time.
I'm going to need Shohei to do something this series, not only because I said it on Sunday night, but also PFT told me that we're going to bet Shohei to hit two home runs every game, and I've been doing that. Well, he almost had it game one.
And a single. I need three hits from him, yeah.
He almost did game one. He hit the wall.
Hank thought it was a home run, and then he hit the warning track. We're on there.
We're on pace. That was a bad matchup with the pitcher last night.
Minaya, I love his delivery. It's crazy.
The angle that he throws from him, he basically does a pickoff move and then throws the ball to home plate every time he throws a pitch. And it's just got to be impossible for a lefty to hit that.
I don't understand why every pitcher doesn't do that. Sean Minaya sucked, and then he just did that one thing to switch it up, and now no one can hit him.
Yeah it turned into Randy Johnson. If you're bad, just do that.

Do that.

And then you'll be good.

And it will work.

It's a completely different angle.

He reinvented math.

It's crazy.

Everyone on the Phillies had great numbers against Minaya.

Everyone on the Dodgers had great numbers against Minaya.

But it doesn't matter because he's just a different pitcher this year

than he's ever been.

Yeah.

Yeah, it is smart. I don't know why more people don't do it.
I guess not everyone can do it, right? I feel like he can. Just do the thing that he does before the game.
Just go from one bullpen mound and pitch to the other catcher. Yeah, he kind of has like a Chris Sale delivery.
Yeah, he just Chris Sale. Is that what he does in the bullpen? In the bullpen, there's the two mounds.
The catcher lines up to the right mound or to the right plate and he throws from the left mound. I get that.
I just didn't know that he did that before every game. That's how he warms up before every game.
That's very smart. The Mets are doing something very smart.
Yeah. And then the other series, the Yankees beat the Guardians.
Giancarlo's on fire. Did you see that picture of Giancarlo wearing a tank top at the press conference? He's just, he's the most jacked guy ever.
He basically hit the moon with that home run. Yeah.
I think Soto's home run was a unicorn, I believe. Love a unicorn.
Yeah. It was only out in Yankee Stadium.
But there was wind. So he did hit it harder than like – it wasn't like a real cheapy home run.
But, yeah, it feels like the Yankees – I guess we'll choose your own adventure. Garrett Cole tonight, the whatever he is, $300 million man, $400 million man.
Is he going to earn his pinstripes tonight? He's got to go out there and be a true ace, Big Cat. Was that it last night? Yeah.
It was a unicorn home run.

Only out in Yankee Stadium.

Yeah, those are awesome.

Love that.

They make everyone mad.

But again, he did hit it harder

than there was wind,

so he did hit it harder

than like a little bloop.

110 miles an hour.

Yeah, unicorns make people so fucking mad.

Oh, there's reverse unicorns too.

Yeah, I love those.

What are those?

It's only, it's not out.

This fly out would have been

a home run in every park except Coors Field. Oh, wow.
This is from June, but. That's pretty cool.
Yeah, but it sucks when you bet on a guy to hit a home run and then he hits one of those. Yeah.
The reverse unicorn. Yeah, the reverse unicorn sucks.
So Garrett Cole, what do we think? What do we think? This feels like a sweep. I don't think it's a sweep.

$300 million, man.

$324 million.

Because I feel like there's too much at stake for Cleveland.

This is the only thing Cleveland's got going right now.

Yeah, their bullpen's really good, too, if they can just get a lead.

I think it's going to be Yanks and six.

It's going to be five-one Yankees tonight.

I think it's going to be a gentleman's sweep.

I think the Guardians will get one at home. You know what? Yeah, PFT's six.
Yanks and six let's be five one yankees tonight i think it's be a gentleman's sweep i think the guardians will get one at home ah you know what i like yeah pft six yanks and six they'll get two and hank are you rooting for a subway series yeah at this point for content just for just for the vibes yeah i mean we always said like we always joked about being in new york and them never even being in the the championship so it'd be funny if there was a subway series i mean it would be incredible content for our company and just like i've said it but like i just don't want the yankees to fucking win but the the it would be so much pain for either side like that i i don't even think about like who wins and gets to talk shit i just think about the devastation for the loser in that situation i would be all time i would much rather see yankees fans devastated at this point for sure wrong yeah no how long how long after a world series win do you think it would take for frank the tank to go nuclear on the team and say how they'll never win another game again the parade uh if they did the parade route wrong yeah like. Like the incompetent Mets.
Incompetence, yeah. Yeah, how could they only do it here? No, yeah, I would be rooting for the Mets in that World Series.
Anyone but the Yankees. Yeah, in obese.
I think the Dodgers have a better chance. Yankee Max will be in full.
Pinstripe Max? Oh, Pinstripe Max will go crazy. He would ask for Pinstripe Dan to come back.
I mean, Giancarlo's getting me close because he keeps hitting bombs. Wow, pinstripe max pinstripe max he would ask for pinstripe dan to come back i mean john carlos

getting me close because he's just he keeps hitting bombs wow pinstripe max in new york oh yeah you should uh okay should we talk some college football let's talk uh that was an awesome College Football Saturday.

I have a belief now that college football is better than it has ever been and i know there was a lot of hand-wringing going on uh with all the changes happening but we're now in a spot and there's going to be more change i get it expansion all that stuff with the nil we talked about it last week, but the NIL and the portal flattening it out. So it doesn't feel like this year, maybe Texas, but it doesn't feel outside of Texas, that there's those two or three super teams that no one has a chance against.
The conference expansion has been awesome because you had games that were very meaningful and big-time games that you never would have had. Oregon-Ohio State was awesome.
And then you also had on Saturday the Classics. You had LSU and Ole Miss, which was a great game.
You had Tennessee-Florida, which was a great game. And the fact that the expanded college football playoff, everyone's like, oh, the regular season won't matter.
I think it actually matters like in a weird way more in the fact that we have true elimination games coming up where you're going to get a chance to – like you have games that now have stakes that wouldn't have had stakes beforehand. Like LSU and Texas A&M play, I think, next weekend.
That's an elimination game. Yeah, there's going to be a ton of them.
That's an elimination game. There's going to be a ton of them.
Tennessee and Alabama could end up being an elimination. If Tennessee takes a second loss, then Tennessee's rest of the season, they have to win.
Alabama, same thing with them. If Georgia loses to Texas this weekend, they play Ole Miss November 9th.
That will be an elimination game because Ole Miss has two losses. I like the fact that there's a little bit of wiggle room too.
If you have a bad loss to a Vanderbilt, guess what? You can let that slide for a little bit. Vanderbilt, by the way, is not a bad loss anymore.
They turned out not being a bad loss because their quarterback is legit legit. But I like the fact that there's a little bit of room for makeup if you're one of these top teams.
Like if you, in years past, if you lose a game in October, guess what? Chances are pretty good. Yeah.
If you have one loss, you might, especially in your conference, if it's Georgia that's better than you or if it's Alabama that's better than you, chances are pretty good. You're not going to get to have a meaningful postseason game.
And now, I mean, I'm very excited for the playoff. The playoff is going to be electric.
Because it does feel like there's a lot of teams that are, again, outside of Texas, and we'll find out just how if Texas is that much better than everyone this weekend against Georgia, but it does feel like there's five or six teams that are kind of all in that same spot that could beat anyone could beat anyone on any Saturday, whereas in the past, it's been like, all right, well, it's Alabama, Georgia, and maybe Clemson when they were rolling or Ohio State when they were rolling. That Ohio State-Oregon game was so good.
It was the perfect college football game. It was the weather, the sun setting, the vibes, the big plays back and forth.
Puddles. Puddles.
And I didn't walk away from that game. So there's two ways to think about it.
Obviously, Ohio State fans are going to say same old Ryan Day. He comes up short in these big-time games.
He's 2-7 now against top five opponents. He has had some close calls.
Obviously, that playoff game where they missed the kick against Georgia. There was the one against Clemson as well.
They've had some close calls. They find a way to come up short in these big moments, though, that has to nag Ryan Day and Ohio State fans but i went away from that game being like well ohio state is still one of the best teams in the country they lost by one point in a really tough environment i can't wait to watch these two teams play again i think that throughout the years of pac-12 for those people that don't stay up after dark to watch the the pac-12 games um you lose track of what a hard place to play eugene is yeah It's a very, very tough stadium.
Dan Lanning's a really good coach. Dan Lanning's a great coach.
He had the 12-man on the field in the moment. I don't know about you, Big Cat, but I saw that.
And I was like, that's the Buddy Ryan Polish goal line defense. Intentionally put 12 guys out there.
But kind of stupid. And then people said, no, it's not.
That was a mistake by the defense. Then Lanning kind of confirmed that they did it on purpose.
He smiled, yeah. And now the NCAA is looking into punishing Oregon for doing that.
Which would be crazy. There already is a punishment for it.
It's called having too many men on the field. Five yards.
And that's what's in the rule book. I feel like if you want to punish them more, you have to change the rule before the next season starts and don't punish them them for breaking a rule no intentionally no it was your rule so dan lanning coach great game he's got insane talent at oregon he's an awesome coach like he's one of those coaches if you watch like this guy was born to coach college football at a high high level i weirdly think that 12 men which was intentional because they took a timeout right before to to assume in a big moment that he he doesn't have control of like who's on the field but weirdly unlike buddy ryan where the the whole point of the polish defense buddy ryan is it's a goal line situation so every time you get a penalty you're you're never going to get into the goal line or into the touchdown end zone with a penalty so you just go like an inch, an inch.
If Will Howard had, if Will Howard had looked up and done quick mental math and spike that ball, it would have backfired. Yeah.
Cause that would have been the play. Or if he had slid like two yards earlier.
No, no. But I'm saying like on that play, cause if he, if he sees that it's 12 men and he just spikes it, they call the penalty.
Cause that whole point was Oregon got four or five seconds burned off the clock and only had to give up five yards. There was a world where Will Howard, if he had been aware of it, it could have backfired.
I feel like that's a lot to ask of a quarterback in real time, though, because you're probably looking at coverages, trying to figure out where you're going with the ball. I don't know.
And to also be able to count one, two, three, four, five, six, and get up to 12 and be certain of, because imagine if you were wrong. Imagine if there were 11 guys.
Yeah, no, of course, but there was. He thought they were 12.
They did have them all playing, and it was a dead ball situation. It was off a timeout, so it wasn't like he was rushing to the line.
That's on the coach to call that out. On the quarterback, that might be a lot.
Ryan Day was. He was yelling it.
It might be a lot to ask if you're the quarterback looking at that in real time to know for a fact they're 12. So Ryan Day should have yelled.
He should have yelled louder. Yeah.
Maybe the beard got in the way. Yeah.
He came up just a little bit, a little short there. That's just Ohio State.
That's like, that's the Ryan Day, Ohio State. He preaches all the time, like leave no doubt.
That's his big mantra. Leave no doubt in the big games.
And they keep having these moments. And I just think, I don't know if it's, because yeah, Will Howard, like he's trying to make a play but is that something where ryan day should have explained it to him like hey look this is exactly how much time you have you have to make sure i think that's on will howard during the play to get down well the course time left like just two three yards earlier leave two seconds on the clock but it goes back to remember last year when ohio state beat notre dame and that big game and Ryan Day went after Lou Holtz and stuff.
There was another moment in that game that was like, Ryan Day just feels like he's doing the things that some of these coaches, high-level, high-level coaches, an Urban Meyer, a Jim Harbaugh, Bill Belichick, these guys, Nick Saban would never make this mistake. That game, Ohio State scored a touchdown with one second left to go up two.
And he kicked the extra point. That was so stupid.
He never should have kicked the extra point. They should have kneeled it.
Because the only way that Notre Dame has a chance to tie this game is to block the extra point and run it back for two. Those are the little details that Ryan Day just misses.
And yeah, it's just – but again, I think Ohio State's still going to – Will Howard played well. Dylan Gabriel.
I wish Dylan Gabriel – I said it in the moment. He's one of those guys.
I want him to just have a job for life in college football. Like Cam Rising.
Yeah, he should – Cam Rising did come out and say that eight years is too much. Well, he's eligible though.
Yeah, but he said eight years is too much. We can change his mind.
He also just gets injured every single time he plays, so I can't. I like Cam Rising.
I can't have Cam Rising in my life anymore. Eight years.
I think we can change his mind. Cam, college football is better with you in it.
He came back from an injury that was cloudy and everyone didn't really know what happened and then got rolled up on in the first five minutes of the game against Arizona State. Arizona State, by the way.
And so here's my last point about the bigger college football. You have now all these teams that in last year's iteration or before with the 14 playoff, you would never say they're still in it.
But like in Arizona State, they got one loss they're still in it smu texas tech like some of these teams that like they don't play in the big in the big ten or the sec if they catch a loss they're never going to get in uh wazoo who's an independent if they run the table they have a chance like clemson obviously they they probably will win the acc do we forget about clemson no i have not they've been killing people i think as a as a collective society we have forgotten about i have not because i've been betting on them and they've been winning every single week yeah clemson just they they tricked us well they just aren't as good as georgia yeah and but it's just it feels like there are so many games every single weekend that are high level, and there are more teams that are now in the mix and have a chance. I love it.
I think college football is in a great place, and I know that there was a lot of people who were worried in the direction it was going to. I love it.
I don't know anybody, though, that was worried about the playoff. Oh, yes, there were.
The playoff was just guaranteed good times. Our guy Tom Fernelli.
Yeah, yeah, Tom Fernelli. There was a lot of people...
That's why he's the former college football expert. Andy Staples co-host Ari, who I like, and is a very smart guy.
He doesn't like it. Like, there's a lot of people who didn't like the playoff because the big argument was the regular season, the reason why college football is so fun is the regular season matters more than every other sport.
The regular season is still awesome. I think sometimes college football, like the diehard, diehard, pure college football fans are resistant to any change that makes it even comparable to the NFL.
But there was a lot of pushback on the four team. We're not the NFL.
We don't need a playoff. Yeah, playoffs are good.
Guess what? College basketball has the best playoff in the world. Maybe you could take a page from their book and be like, yeah, we'll include a couple more teams just for – you're going to get so many more viewers too in December and January.
It's going to be awesome. And Texas, to me, Texas will learn a lot about them this weekend.
I feel like they're inevitable.

I feel like this is Texas and then everybody else.

Yeah, this will be the big weekend.

Georgia will be a big test for them.

Because the Red River S-out is the one game where no matter which team is good

and which team might be having somewhat of a down year,

it's usually a lot closer than that.

Oklahoma couldn't do shit against Texas.

Oklahoma's in a bad, bad spot.

They got no offensive line. They got no quarterback.
They got no wide receivers. Maybe no coach.
Maybe no coach. Penn State too.
We should mention James Franklin with, I wouldn't say it was like a statement win because USC's not like a top 10 team right now, but still, the way that game was going it felt like another fall on your face James Franklin moment down 20 to 6 at half Tyler Warren with one of the craziest days he had 17 catches like 242 yards he wears number 44 which is awesome he played running back quarterback wide receiver tight end and center took snaps at all of those positions Sean Payton's definitely going to draft him. It was awesome.
That was an awesome, awesome game. So it turned, it flipped from, uh-oh, here goes James Franklin again to, uh-oh, stinking Riley.
Yeah, Lincoln Riley, hot seat. Colin Coward, hot seat.
Big time hot seat for Lincoln Riley. You want to pull up the Colin Coward video? The Colin Coward video is one of the weirdest things ever.
The douchiest video of all time. You see this video? I did, yeah.
Oh, my God. I think he's playing a character to be a douche, but he nailed the character.
All right, I'm playing it. Some of you guys are going to owe Lincoln, Riley, an apology.
I don't know if these Big Ten teams can handle coming out west, the sunshine, the distractions of L.A. Probably not.
Look at the halftime score. I'm at Cosm.
Oh, they're in a commercial. Whatever.
I don't hold grudges. Apologies accepted.
Look at the halftime score. He sounds like Joel McHale playing Craig Kilbourne.
Yeah. Look at the halftime score.
I don't hold grudges. Yeah, I mean, he's playing a character there, but it worked because it pissed me off seeing that.
And then it was just an all-time old takes exposed. Lincoln Riley, I feel like this might be time to ask some tough questions

if you're a Trojan.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, they've been in all the games.

It's not like they're getting embarrassed.

But, yeah, their defense, which is better, has failed them late.

The good thing if you're Lincoln Riley, though, is you can always –

it's kind of like Coach Cal in the NBA for Lincoln Riley. He can get the best quarterback recruits in the country by saying, like, here's who I've coached.
They're all in the NFL. So every year, even if he has a down year, he's already reloading with a five-star, and then you're afraid to fire Lincoln Riley because you might lose that quarterback.
Yeah, that's facts. Good job, Scott.
He's got a job for life. We also had Mike Gundy in his bye week got headbutted by a bull.
I saw that, yeah. Or a cow, which was awesome.
He's got a bloodshot eye. Yeah, Mike, Oklahoma State's having a tough year.
He's had bloodshot eyes thousands of times. Thousands of times behind the wheel.
We should give an update. Travis Hunter did get hurt hurt but I've reached out sources I texted Dion I said is he okay he said yeah best football player in the country he didn't say whether he was a starter or anything I just said is he okay I think they just said that he's going to play now that I'm playing it back in my head I, is he okay? No, that's all I need.
Is he okay? Just like, yeah, he's okay. He's going to be fine.
That's all I need. Did you just say Travis Hunter? No, I said, is Travis Hunter okay? And then he said, yes.
He's fine. Also, Billy Napier is a coward.
An absolute coward. Yeah.
For the way that Tennessee-Florida game ended. Yeah.
You have your backup quarterback in quarterback in. I think you had your backup running back in, right? Your big underdogs against, you might say, top three biggest rival, but it's always a rivalry game every year.
It means a lot. You have a much worse team to begin with.
I don't know about that. Tennessee's not.
I think Tennessee's definitely better than Florida. they're not saying they're not what we thought they were oh no tennessee is not like a top three team in the country but my point is if you're florida you're playing with all those factors against you against a much better team than you agreed in their house agreed and then you get to the end of regulation and you have an opportunity to go for two and have one play from two yards out to win the game yep you typically want to take that and what what he did what billy napier did i think he sent like a fake uh a fake extra point team out onto the field right like he's he set up in a weird swing and gate type formation yep and then they called a timeout and billy napier's like ah you got me okay i'll just kick it then i guess you're getting fired anyway dude dude just win the game just try to win the game that that would be such a good way for people to at least have one good memory of you from your last season yes is if you beat tennessee who had national championship aspirations at the start of the season if you beat them in their house good for you people might not you might be able to open up a car dealership in gainesville one day yeah yeah no he's getting fired anyway this It's so stupid.
Ashton Gentry also, yeah, he keeps playing really well. There's nothing I can say.
He's so good. I'm done pretending to...
But his games are super late. What, Beams? Did you bet him? No, I said to Max.
I was like, he didn't play that well. And then he was like, he had over 200 yards.
Yeah, he had over 200 yards. He had to get to Hawaii.
He should add 300. He did it at like 2 in the morning.
That's the only thing we can say. We're basically at the point where he's so good, all we can do is just root for time zones.
Well, I'm rooting for time zones, and I'm also rooting for him to take into account his future earnings and hopefully just maximize his NFL potential. Boise's playing for a playoff spot.
I know. Also, memes mentioned Army Navy, both ranked.
Yes. Yep.
Which is awesome. And they both played Notre Dame.
So those will be elimination games. I would love for Army, Navy to get into the college football playoff.
Yeah. I think if one of those two teams finishes the season undefeated, I think they will be in it.
Yeah. Yeah, because yeah.
And it'll And it'll be great. For Big 12 chaos and for Navy to get a bye.
What if, would that be, yeah, would that be the craziest sports story maybe ever? If, let's say Army won the first expanded playoff. Yeah.
If they won four games in a row against all the big dogs,

that would probably go down as the craziest sports story ever.

I think the coolest thing ever would be if they were both undefeated

going into Army-Navy game.

The winner goes to the playoff.

No, they're not allowed to count that.

I think they announced the playoff before that.

That sucks.

That would be the coolest thing ever.

You know what would suck?

They should change that.

What if the loser of that game is the team that gets in,

and then the winner of that game is undefeated,

and then they have to sit at home?

The troops deserve better.

Yeah, I don't know.

It would also rock if—

They should change that.

What if Army got a home game at West Point?

That would be awesome, wouldn't it? That would be awesome. It'd be good for America.
Oh, maybe it's not. When's Army-Navy? I think it's right after they make the announcement.
Army-Navy 2024. Yeah, no, it's the week before.
Sunday, December 8th is when they announce it, and then Army-N and then army navy plays the next week sucks but maybe they'll both get in yeah i want one of them to get in so bad that would be again it would be it would be one of the craziest sports stories of all time if they ran the table and they just triple optioned imagine imagine army going and triple optioning ohio state to death with with linemen that weigh like you know a hundred pounds less than their linemen yeah that'd be crazy army would get all the calls too they would have to yeah we'd have to uh also max did you see that uh one uh video there's uh going semi-viral usc does a thing where if you donate a certain amount of money, you get to run out with the team. And a Penn State fan did it and was just running in full Penn State gear.
So stupid. How do they not think that through? That's smart.
How do they not think that through? How much money did that cost? It was like $1,500. Not that much.
I love that. It's crazy.
Like, so, so stupid. And it also, I watched the whole video.
Like, that's an awesome thing to get to do. To run out.
You run out right. I think they ran out either right after the team or right before it.
Still the chemtrails of the flyover and everything. And everyone going crazy.
That's a once in a lifetime thing. Where is this guy? Was he wearing, like, full pads? Look at him.
Oh, yeah. He's just full-pan steak here.
He's running out. And it's just all other USC, a couple of USC, like, boosters and stuff running with him.
But he's just screaming, we are, as he runs out of the tunnel. I love that.
Yeah. They got to think that one through.
Got to think that one through next time. And we have a huge slate on Saturday.
Again, this is what I'm saying. Like, I know that a lot of these games would have happened anyway, but well, no, Texas, Georgia would not have happened.
Definitely not. Right.
So Purdue, Oregon wouldn't have happened this weekend. Yeah.
Everyone's ready for West Lafayette. Oregon Friday night.
That's Purdue, Oregon. Purdue, Oregon.
West Lafayette. Wow wow it sounds like you don't have it on your calendar no that's the one that's the one because we're talking about that on sunday spoiler makers the spoiler makers they play one fucked up game every year i don't know if that that might have been the illinois game friday under the lights in west lafayette they were down like three scores at halftime and then went to overtime and lost by three.
That might have been.

A stadium of 60,000 dudes screaming at you.

Yeah, we're also going to find out what Indiana's made of.

Because they've been a great story, but they played absolutely no one.

And they played Nebraska this week.

Coach Siggs.

Yeah, but this is like the first.

I told Will Compton before the season started.

I said, when do you guys play Indiana?

Because he was counting his wins and losses.

I said, that's going to be a big game. He laughed at me.
Will Compton laughed at me. One team's ranked.
It's not Nebraska. That's interesting.
That's interesting. Okay.
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Coors Brewing Company, Golden, Colorado. Hank? Yeah? Hot seat, go to run.
My hot seat is Joel Embiid's passion slash love for the fans. What do you mean? He did an interview, and he said that if I had to guess, I would probably never play back-to-backs the rest of my career.
Oh, but that's okay.

They got Paul George.

Yeah, they got Paul George.

Yeah, is he okay?

He hyperextended his knee last night.

Oh, no.

Playoff PCL.

You guys are pussy.

Preseason P.

He's fine.

He's fine.

I saw the knee extend.

We do back-to-back podcasts.

And he's fine.

Yeah, and I love it.

We actually don't.

Yeah, we do. On holidays.
Yes, we do. Yes, we do.
Liar. Liar.
Liar. Liar.
Liar. Liar.
Liar. Liar.
Liar. Li he's fine.
Yeah, and I love it. We actually don't.
Yeah, we do.

Yes, we do.

Yes, we do.

Liar, liar, liar, liar, labor day.

Every year we go back-to-back.

You're probably on vacation.

We don't do load management here.

I would do this show every day for free.

Remember when we started this show and people were like,

every day, that would have been a mistake.

Yeah.

Also, we used to record at like 7 o'clock in the morning.

Yeah.

Just once.

Mistake.

Mistake.

Yeah, I mean, people pay a lot of money to go to these games.

They're big fans of his, and he's basically telling them to fuck off.

I feel bad for a little bit.

I think the fans of Philly would prefer him to be healthy in the playoffs.

Yeah, but that's not a guarantee.

Yeah.

Even when he does.

I'll take my chances.

Anything to increase chances of him being healthy in the playoffs. So why doesn't he just not play until the playoffs.
Yeah, but that's not a guarantee. Yeah.
Even when he does... I'll take my chances.
Anything to increase chances of him being healthy in the playoffs. So why does he just not play until the playoffs? Well, no one...
What? No. 39-year-old Tim Duncan played 16 back-to-backs in the 2014-2015 season.
Don't care. Max, answer me this.
You just said you would do anything to increase his chances to be healthy for the playoffs.

He should just not play until the playoffs.

But then he wouldn't be in game shape.

Okay, but he'd be healthy.

But what is game shape for Joel Embiid, though?

He usually gets injured. Sounds like you wouldn't do anything to increase his health for the playoffs.

No, because we wouldn't get to the playoffs.

So how many games?

Well, yeah, you would.

You got to the playoffs last year.

Not without Joel Embiid.

But you missed a lot. Yeah, but they were like the best team in the East.
Playoff P. Is playoff P okay? Playoff P is fine.
He said that he's fine. The knee went pretty far backwards.
Well, the tests say that he's fine. What tests? He got tests on his knee.
Okay. It bent pretty far, Max.
Well, he's fine. Are you sure he's fine? He said he's fine.
The test. The test said he's fine.
The test said he's fine. And it's fucking, the season hasn't even started yet.
Who cares if he missed three games in October? Is Joel Embiid practicing and playing right now? He doesn't need to be playing. But what about game shape? That's throughout the year.
It's October. But he's not even practicing.
Don't care. Sounds like he might not be ready for game shape, and that's how you can get injured.
I do feel bad for LeBron James, though, who tweeted this out during the preseason. He said, Can someone please explain to me while we're getting on a plan and heading to Milwaukeewaukee for one preseason game and then all the replies to him were because it's your job because you get paid millions of dollars to do this yeah and you're literally you you made it a family vacation yeah also bronnie should get his own skin and call of duty yeah come on activision let's do it uh what was your cool turn oh my god that was you you overreacted max just from hank just doing a hot seat That's not true The boys just gotta get ready for the play-in tournament You know We're focused on that Or not the play-in The in-season tournament Gotta circle Gotta circle My cool throne I don't think Paul George's knee is gonna be fine I don't think so either Because usually the Sixers when they say that When their player's knee is fine It ends up not being fine Agreed My cool throne are space nerds Slash rockets Yeah They caught a rocket The Mechazilla has caught the super heavy booster Love it I was curious PFT Because you're a plane guy does that carry over to rockets does being a plane guy carried rocket no i don't know shit about rockets but you're like yeah when you're you're obsessed with planes i don't know if you like when you see i have a normal i have a normal healthy interest in planes the video was cool but people and it apparently was like you know a historic thing that happened where they basically got a rocket to land and the nerds freaking out was so funny.
I wish I could see that video and feel the passion that they felt because there was a lot of passion and excitement over this rocket. It looked to me like basically they just took a rocket taking off and just reversed it, which is...
I don't know what that means. Oh, you're saying it's a fake video? No, but I just don't know.
I was trying to see the hype. I think what the...
And I didn't. I think we're desensitized.
But if you're a nerd, space nerd or a rocket freak, like... I think guys like you and I might be desensitized to it, Hank, because we've seen sci-fi videos our entire life, right? We've seen movies about outer space.
We've seen video games of rockets taking off and shit. And so seeing that happen in real life when i've seen it a million times on an xbox is like less exciting than it should be because he did fire a rocket up into the stratosphere or whatever and then came down and got caught so that means that now you can reuse rocket boosters which is good yeah i i saw this video and i was like very dumb, obviously.
But I was like, why didn't they just do that the whole time? Yeah. Just catch the rocket.
Well, that's what Elon said when we were throwing away all our boosters. He's like, why don't we just bring it back? Yeah, just catch them.
It's not hard. Just catch them.
What's the thing called? The Mechazilla? The Mechazilla was what caught it. It caught the super heavy booster.
Okay it's a good thing yeah i mean people the the space nerds are excited about it so whatever keeps elon busy making cool shit like this and away from making just uh humanoid robots that one day will take all of our jobs that's bezos i'm fine no no do you see the the tesla thing oh the cab well the cab and then he also had the cab was kind of cool no the cab was okay then they had the robots that were like walking around oh yeah the robot bartender optimus fuck that robot bartender by the way if i go into a bar and there's a robot bartender i'm doing one of two things i'm either walking out or i'm putting a magnet on it i I'm going to start carrying around magnets just to fuck these things up.

Although I do think it would be a good idea if Barstool Sports got one of the robot butlers.

Yeah.

I think that would be a good use of our money.

I would like that.

Good job, Hank.

Thanks.

You didn't steal mine, which I thought you would.

Great job, Hank.

Thanks.

My hot seat is also having to do preseason basketball. My beloved Wizards, who are losing every game by an average of 30 points which is crazy but i'm excited because i first of all i feel bad for cory kispert i like cory kispert we should trade cory kispert uh and then just run a nba jam style two-man team of kuzma and jordan pool out there every game yep and then just lose every game because i've already decided that cooper flag is going to be mine what happens about the lottery though cooper flag cooper flag the lottery cooper flag happens at the lottery i don't want you to get hurt cooper flag the lottery it's cooper i'm i'm all in i'm on cooper flag watch right now in dc but the lottery balls could not go your way no that's not gonna happen literally never gotten the lottery ball that's not gonna happen you're used to football tank-a-thon yeah basketball tank-a-thon is a different ball game it's still math but you're singled on one guy right now what's the percentage chance that you get if you have the worst record I think it's like 20% yeah 20% it it recently to to avoid people teams like fully tanking so it's not as high yeah 14 was it 14 yeah 14 and they flattened it so it's like the top three worst teams so they basically try to avoid this now and again i don't want to bring up anything bad but you've literally never gotten the lottery this lot it answer me this is this the lottery machine that they use for the NBA draft? It's basically the same thing.
May as well be. I got the other one.
May as well be. All I'm saying is I've never been as confident in my life of anything as the fact that the Wizards are going to get Cooper flag.
And I'm going to be so happy. Wizards, Nets, Pistons, and I believe from a quick glance, Bulls are the four lowest projected win totals.
I don't think you saw the news. Ball? Lonzo's back, baby.
Everything's going to work. But once you want, I mean, you would rather be in the bottom four.
Yeah, I don't think the Bulls are going to be good. The Nets also.
And if it's those four, it's going to be the pistons or the or i mean the nets or the bulls yeah well the net the nba is going to rig it for the the bulls they would rig it for the bulls the nets they have the nets beat us by 30 points last night i think preseason maybe 35 but again if it's the three they flattened it so it doesn't matter i just i had a feeling i got this feeling last night that Cooper Flagg is going to be a wizard. And it's the three, they flattened it.
It doesn't matter. I had a feeling.
I got this feeling last

night that Cooper Flag

is going to be a wizard. And it's going to

happen. I've never been more confident in anything.

Oh, I was wrong. It's

Nets, Blazers, Wizards, Pistons.

I was going to say, Bulls are going to be

halfway decent-ish

bad.

Nets, Blazers, Wizards.

If it's you, Blazers,

and Pistons.

You got a chance. Pistons always just get the

Thank you. It does help you.
I think when you first thought it, you thought it was just straight. It doesn't help you.
Worst record is the... You get it.
You didn't think I knew what the NBA lottery was? I don't know. You still just said it does help you.
It doesn't. No.
It does help you to have a worse record. No.
The worst. I know it's not the top team.
The worst is not. I know it's not the top team.
You just need to be one of the worst three. One of the worst three.
One of the worst three. I completely understand, and each team has – what is it, 14%? Yeah.
Yeah, I completely understand the concept. I'm just telling you that I know that we're going to get Cooper Flagg.
Vibes. Okay.
Good luck. All vibes.
I respect vibes. On vibes.
I respect vibes. What if Cooper Flagg's not the first pick? He's going to get him anyway.
There's no way. What if he stinks? That means that we'll be second.
That would be funny. We'll pick second and we'll get Cooper Flagg.
Cooper Flagg could not play this whole year. What if the Wizards were somehow good, but Cooper Flagg sucked? And then you got Cooper Flagg with like the 17th pick.
Of all the unlikely things to happen in the world, for both of them to happen at the same time. But that would be funny.
Because you're going to get credit if you get Cooper Flagg, but you get a lot more credit if you got Cooper Flagg with the 17th pick. With the 17th pick, that would be good scouting on my part.
Well, that would also be just an insane vibes call. Yeah.
He'd also probably have one leg if that was the case. 17th pick for the win.
That means that we'd kiss the Rockets. Settle down over there.
I know you've got a dream team this year. No, I mean, there's a chance that he's not the first pick overall next year.
Crazier things have happened. What's his name? Bub? The Pistons have gotten the fifth pick how many years in a row? Three.
And they've been the worst team. I think two out of those three.
I'm willing to tell you right now, I will stand on this hill and I will plant my representative banner to say that we're getting flag. You don't have Jerry tweet about it.
Why? Oh, yeah. I love flag.
This is very smart of you because if you don't get Cooper flag, there's literally no downside. Just stamping your flag.
Yeah, disappointment. You've risked nothing.
No, but this is great if I get it right.

No, it's smart play.

You know what?

I'm going to say I'm going to get Cooper flagged.

No, you're not going to get Cooper. That's impossible.

We'll share them.

The Celtics are out of the Cooper flag running.

I'll say that too.

One less team.

Off the big board?

One less team to worry about.

We'll take our names out too.

Sixers are out.

What does that mean?

With John Bede.

Knicks out.

Knicks are out.

Listen, now that 14% has just become like 14.12 it's huge i love this shit huge yeah i mean listen nothing would bring me back faster as a wizards fan than than cooper flag uh okay what's your cool throne my cool throne is me and you big cat respecting the troops oh yeah so uh when we had paul skeins on we did that interview on september 4th the day after his start i said i'd match his hundred dollar per strikeout donation to the gary sinise foundation i said i'd double did you say that you double i think so i said i think i said i would not match your double i think i said i'm just matching um so i owe twenty eight hundred dollars shit gary sinise but it. How much? $2,800.
Oh, nice. Yeah, so Big Cat, you owe $5,600.
Shit. All right.
But it's a good foundation. I'm donating right now.
For the troops. Yeah.
We respect the troops on this show. We want them in the playoff.
Shout out Paul Skeens. Yeah.
We're going to do it. Paul Skeens throws gas throws gas he does what's that i thought that was like a lyric yeah it sounded like it was literally yeah you sounded like you were who y and w henry what be a good name for you um all right my hot seat which i think i thought h would take, but I guess maybe we're so close to basketball season

that he's just taking his eye off the ball, the golf ball.

The hot seat is the Ryder Cup.

These people are very upset about the prices

for the upcoming Ryder Cup next summer at Bethpage.

They released one of their packages,

which I believe includes food and no alcohol, but it's $750. For a day.
For a day. And now normally I would say, listen, golf fans probably have expendable money because they're going on golf trips and all that stuff.
But this is such a fuck you and a mistake to trying to get a home field advantage. If you price out rowdy New Yorkers who want to go to the Ryder Cup and scream heinous shit at all the Europeans, you've completely ruined this.
Agreed. So figure it out, Ryder Cup.
The common man needs to be at Beth Page going absolutely bonkers in Rory's's face we should we should put together some sort of a like adopt a golf fan drive where we just the most obnoxious ones yeah the most of not like the guy that was wearing the lamar jackson jersey that walked in the streets of baltimore guy um but just gets get the most rowdy fans ever and then put them up at stew finer's house and have stew smoke them out and drop them off at the we don't want to smoke them out well with stew's shit i don't i think we need him i think we need to have him drink everclear okay well we can do that get him fucking crazy we can do that too but put them up at stew finers house yeah and have stew get them nice and warmed up yeah we just do a do a bus service back and forth the rider cup you you have to have a home field advantage you have to have drunk people going nuts especially in america i know europe they may be a little bit nicer not us this is bullshit figure it out i want the europeans complaining actively complaining i want rory crying yeah i want to see tears i want them saying i'm all I'm all for friendly competition up to a certain point.

Hank, were you not going to speak up for the common golf in? No, I mean, it is bullshit. I didn't have it on my list, but it's also the players aren't even getting paid.
Where's all that money going? Yeah, that's a good question. Good point.
But yeah, fix this, Ryder Cup, you fucking losers. We need people.
We just need like the,

like the, the,

just think of like the tailgated at MetLife Stadium I want those people on the 18th green just going nuts yeah Jets fans fireman Ed yeah alright my cool throne is our guy Jim Harbaugh because he said after he did a press conference on Monday and he said it'll take my heart

stopping for me to not be out there.

So I also

would like to welcome

you guys if you would like to join me.

I think it's always fun when we hop on

something together.

Pause. Yeah.

I've decided to put a future

on the Chargers to win the Super Bowl.

The soupy? Yeah. You're thinking soupy? I was looking last night at prices on the Chargers to win the Super Bowl.
Soupy?

Yeah.

You're thinking soupy?

I was looking last night at prices.

They're 45 to 1.

I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl.

I do think we'd get in a spot where they get to the playoffs

and we could potentially hedge.

Question.

45 to 1 is pretty crazy.

Question, Big Cat.

Is there a world where we get to the playoffs

and we're in a spot to hedge where you would actually hedge?

No, but that's my sell to you guys because you guys could hedge. know that's a no for you yeah but you guys could right now i'm pretty heavily tied up in um 45 to one cowboys are 35 to one don't do it do it i'm saying no i'm looking like they they think the cowboys bears stealers have better odds than the chargers the bears do they're four and two the whole you just in there.
Yeah, he's a jerk. Those are the three.
It goes Cowboys, Bears, Steelers. I'm just reading the DraftKings.
I'm not saying the Chargers are going to win the Super Bowl. What I'm saying is I think the Chargers will make the playoffs.
Tell me their schedule. Do you guys want to join me in this? Right now, would they be in the playoffs? Standings conference.
Right now, they would be the sixth seed. Right now, they'd be sixth seed.
So, let me lay it out for you guys. I think we can all agree that the Chiefs, the Texans, the Ravens, and the Bills are going to most likely be in the playoffs.
So, that means there's three playoff spots for the following teams. The Steelers, the Chargers, the Colts, the Broncos, the Dolphins, the Jets, and the Bengals.
I think they're better than the Dolphins. I think they're better than the Colts.
I think they're probably – I know they lost the Steelers, but Herbert was hurt. They're better than the Broncos.
I think they're a 6 or a 7 seed. Biket, do you remember two seasons ago when I put that future in on the Chargers? I knew you were going to bring this up.
Do you remember that? Jim Harbaugh changes everything. I expected that, but I just wanted to remind you.
I agree with you. I think it was like 30 or 33-ish to 1.
Yep. Doesn't matter.
And then everything that I said would happen, happened. They made the playoffs.
Nope. Jim Harbaugh.
Then they got off. How big was their lead against the Jaguars? 27-0.
That was the Chargers. And then I stopped saying the word Chargers.
That was the Chargers. They were the C words.
Yeah, that was the Chargers. This is Jim Harbaugh's team.
It's Jim Harbaugh's team. This is Jim Harbaugh's football team.
It does make a little bit of a difference. It makes an enormous difference.
But the last time I smashed that

button, I was unhappy.

I'll give you the schedule real quick. I looked at it all

last night. This is all I need, by the way.
It's just the

schedule. At the Cardinals.

Saints at home. At the

Browns. Titans.

Bengals. That's their next five games.

I'm in. I'm in.

I just needed to hear that. Yeah, I did the schedule

last night. I think they're going to get to 10 wins.
And then we'll figure it out when we get there. 45 to 1 is crazy.
And I also think that it's going to go – I think you might even be able to cash out in four weeks' time because I think they could probably win their next four games. And if they're sitting there, what is that face? I'm not cashing out in four weeks.
Okay. I'm giving you guys options.
And also also PFT, I didn't finish. So they do have a little tough stretch where they have to play Ravens, Falcons, Chiefs, Bucs.
But then they finish the season at home with the Broncos, at Patriots, at Raiders. Okay.
So last three weeks of the season, they should, I think they're going to make the playoffs. Again, I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl, but you could hedge and 45-1 and it's Jim Harbaugh.
And he

literally just had a heart attack on the sideline

and he won the game.

What did he have? The arrhythmia?

2-0 in arrhythmias?

Shane's going to be very upset when he finds out about this.

I'm going to need some of his merch.

Yeah.

And it's a fun team because it's not a team

like I was looking at. I was like,

the Ravens again. I think the Ravens are probably going to win the Super Bowl.
But again, to go through that, you can't do the Chiefs. Niners, the price is too low.
I was just trying to find one of those teams that's just way in the back. Whoever wins the Bears-Commanders matchup, they're going to skyrocket too probably.
On the odds? At least some of the playoff odds for them, which flexed by the way yeah so we're the afternoon we're 315 415 eastern bears commanders there's something we should keep our eye out on that too because there's a tie-in every four years with the commander's last home game or no or the election yeah before the election yeah so it's uh the commander's last game before the election if they win if washington wins then i think it's the commander's last game before the election. If they win, if Washington wins, then I think it's the incumbent party wins the White House.
If they lose, then whoever the rival party is, they win the White House. So if you're a Trump person, you're rooting for the Bears.
You're rooting for the Bears. All Trump people are rooting for the Bears this weekend or in two weeks.
And then all the Democrats are rooting are rooting for the commanders so it's home game i let's see it might just be last game because the giants they play the giants before the election oh they do yeah so it might not be that it might just be the giant wins the election uh sixth i think fourth sixth let me see i'm gonna have to listen to today's episode of boston we don't figure Fifth. The fifth.
Okay. It has to be.
Maybe it's not that game. Yeah.
But, yeah, they did flex it. I was so scared they were going to flex it tonight.
I did not want a night game. I was having this discussion with Eddie and Chief and White Sox Dave.
I need Caleb Williams to be good for a couple years before I start actively rooting for night games. Yeah, I don't want people to look.
I hate having all eyes on the Bears and just everyone looking and being like, ha, ha, ha. Don't need that.
And also, if it was a night game, whoever won that game, really, whoever lost that game, there would be so many people just being like, your quarterback sucks no matter what. They're going to do that.
And they're both good. No matter what.
Also, I am glad that they caught that Ravens fan. Oh, yeah.
He's a fucking piece of shit. That guy's a big piece of shit.
Yeah. I hope he goes to prison.
Okay. Let's get to our interview with Tom Coughlin.
Great interview. PFT, you got a quick ad before we get there.
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Coach, thank you so much for joining us. We have to start with the fact that true to form, you joined the Zoom 10 minutes early, so we appreciate that.
We should have expected it. So can we start with coughlin time because it's it's it's obviously something that uh the lore of coughlin time goes everywhere what exactly are the rules to coughlin time and thank you for following them the rules are you're five minutes early and if not you're gonna get fined that's all there is Strahan's famous deal.
I was two minutes early and three minutes late. That was his quote.
Yeah, that's all it is. You know, really, the significance of that whole situation is I want people who are so interested in what they're doing and who they are and being the best that they can be that they don't they they don't they are they're there early they're there to show their enthusiasm and their desire to succeed that's where that all came from yeah and is it true that the clocks in the facility would actually be set i i heard they were 15 minutes early no no they were all five minutes early everything was five minutes ahead of time yep so would you go around looking at the clocks and holding up your watch and be like, that clock's not fast enough.
We need to adjust. I didn't have to do that.
They were. They were right on because I had people assigned to that.
Yeah. So you were basically, you were living in the future constantly.
Yeah, maybe. I was trying to be ahead of it.
That's for sure. Yeah, so you've had back-to-back weekends where you've had incredible honors.
I want you to tell me which one was more important to you. You were put into the Pride of the Jaguars, which is like the Jaguars' ring of honor, and then the next week you got a bobblehead night for the Giants and Bengals.
Which one was more impactful to you personally? Well, you can't make those kinds of differentiations. They're both – to be in the pride of the Jaguars, I started the franchise.
And so as I explained to everyone that would listen, it was like my baby. You know, Wayne Weaver had extended to me the opportunity to start a franchise.
And the more and more that I thought about it during the time we were speaking, the more I was interested in the historical significance of that. And I think the real deal breaker is when Mr.
Weaver said to me, now we want to fashion ourselves after the Dallas Cowboys. At that time, it was Jimmy Johnson.
So you would like personnel as well, right? And I said, yeah, I would like very much to have personnel. So that's the way that started.
But the significance with the New York Giants of the 100 years, if you can imagine that, 100 years of New York Giant football. And on the occasion of a celebration recognizing the 2007-2011 World Championship teams, they were giving out bobblehead dolls, which happened to be my fixture.
i don't know how you recognize it with this mug but anyway it was it was uh I knew it was coming and uh we had uh some fun with it uh we had some people do uh supposedly funny things the funniest of which was Strahan in which he reviewed the the time that I find him for being you know, two minutes early, three minutes late. But it was all in good humor, and I was obviously humbled by both experiences.
Do you have your bobblehead? Did you take one home? No, I didn't get one. What? They wouldn't give me one.
We got to get you a bobblehead. Yeah.
No, we need one. That would fit real nicely up there next to the two Lombardies.
That might be the most impressive thing on your mantle. Yeah.
I need that for my grandkids. Yeah.
out of nothing and you're put in charge of starting an NFL franchise from the ground up how do you even know where to begin to start with that how did you figure out what was important as your first thing what would be the second thing and how you build that out from absolutely nothing well the interesting concept there is when I when I was 23 years old I was a head coach of the division three team that was going from club football to varsity football, and I did everything. I bought the equipment.
I scheduled the games. I scheduled the transportation.
I set up the preseason schedule. I set up the fraternity house that we were going to live in, et cetera, et cetera.
So I had done on a much smaller scale that type of thing before. But remember, I was hired in February of 1994.
Our first season was not till 95. So what I did was I simply set up a calendar prioritizing the different departments that we would hire and the significance of each one of them according to the calendar.
So for example, I brought five coaches with me from

Boston College, but the personnel department was the number one thing that I had to establish

right away because that gave us a chance to work a year ahead of time on the evaluation

of talent throughout the league, throughout the college game. So my coaches and my scouts would

go out every weekend and we would go to a college game on Saturday, me included, and a pro game on Sunday so that we got a really good feel for that. And then as time went on, I was able to visit, you know, franchises, visit teams.
And in so doing, I gathered information about, you know, Art Modell drove up to next to me in his golf cart and said to me, Tom, you got your team picked. So I was there watching everything, but Mr.
Modell had a pretty good idea why I was there. Yeah.
Yeah. So it was you and the Panthers at the same time.
Was there any rivalry there? You just wanted to stay one step ahead, or were you guys checking in with each other? Well, we didn't check in with each other, but we were definitely rivals. They built theirs.
Bill Polian was there right away, but the head coach wasn't hired until Dom wasn't hired until a year later. I was hired, and I had personnel right away in 94.
Yeah. So the Jaguars run was incredible.
You go to two AFC championship games, and you have had in your career, obviously everyone thinks of the 2007 Super Bowl being 17-point underdogs and beating the Patriots, but the divisional game in 96 against the Broncos because that was the Broncos team that then won and won two Super Bowls right after. So that was a Super Bowl team.
You go into Mile High with the Jaguars, second year as a franchise, and you beat the Broncos as 12-point underdogs. What is it about those spots where you are such a big underdog and everyone's saying they've got no chance? what do you tell the team beforehand? What are you thinking? And is there a part of you that's like, we might be in trouble today? Or is it just, hey, we got to just do our thing and we might have a shot at this? Well, what it is for me, it's the competitiveness part of it.
You know, go ahead and tell me I can't do something. That's what I always taught my team.
You know, go ahead, tell me I can't anything if that's what i always taught my team you know go ahead tell me i can't do anything and if you remember okay you go to 96 as an example i mean nobody gave us credit for anything yeah i mean if you remember what woody page said about us he called us the jaguads you remember that yeah and that was of course plastered all over our building but the the way we looked at it was and if remember, we had to beat the Falcons to get in. We beat the Falcons on the week 17, where Morton Anderson missed a chip shot field goal, actually, when he slipped.
You could see him slip and missed, and we got in. And then we decided, hey, we, you know, and I could see the players growing and thinking, you know what, maybe we are pretty good.
Maybe we are. And so we got in and we talked about winning and went to Buffalo, played, you know, against a great personnel package, if you will, with Jim Kelly and the Buffalo Bills.
And we were able to win there. And on we went to Denver with John Elway and Mike Shanahan.
And, you know, if we don't beat them there, they're going to win three in a row, as you guys know. But in that game, there are so many things.
And you saw Jimmy Smith and you saw Mark Brunel scramble and run and do all those kinds of things. And I'll remember, you know, we took the lead late in the game with significance.
And I said to Dick Geron, our defensive coordinator, because Elway was going to score in a two-minute drill. I mean, that was the thing they did incredibly well over all the years.
And I said, Dick, they had no timeouts left. I said, they can score, but make sure they score under two minutes.
And sure enough, that's how it happened. And so we recovered the onside kick and the game was over.
We just knelt down. But it was one of the real important things to remember about that game, not only the fact that we won against a very, very good football team and an outstanding coach, is that when we returned from denver the pilot i could tell he wasn't really going to the airport he was heading around and what he did is he flew over the stadium he banked the plane we looked down there's 35 000 people in the stadium at two o'clock in the morning waiting for us to come back that's you remember.
Yeah, that's amazing. Didn't they throw a parade for the Jaguars too before the franchise even kicked off? I think they did.
They had a parade. And if you remember when we signed our first 10, they were right off the street.
Yeah. The Sunday morning newspaper, you know, thought that these were the saviors of the world.
And there were some good football players in there, but they were guys that were street-free agents, and we signed them early. Yeah.
You were talking about the best way to get you to do something is by telling you that you can't do it, using the bulletin board material. I heard a story about Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys.
I think it was 2008. He might have given you a little bit of bulletin board material before that playoff game.
He might have promised his players some tickets to the next round of the playoffs and you found out about it? That might have happened. Yeah, that might have happened.
But I think the thing you need to remember first is that the 2007 season is a remarkable season, if you'll just drift back to that.

At the end of 06, the media wanted me out of town.

They wanted to fire me.

Everybody said, get rid of Coughlin, get him out of here, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And so I did a lot of things much differently.

But one of the things that I did do is I hired Steve Spagnuolo. And Steve was with the Philadelphia staff.

Andy Reid was congenial enough to allow me to interview Steve. And I knew we had a connection.
We had both worked for Jack McNeil. Steve worked for Jack over in NFL Europe.
I worked for Jack in Boston College. I coached Doug Flutie.
So there was a connection there. So we hired Steve, and Steve was our brand-new defensive coordinator, and I really felt good about the direction that our team was going in preseason.
You know, we had a leadership council. Strahan was going to retire and came back, but we promptly went out and gave up 80 points in the first two games, and we're 0-2.
So when we go to Washington in week three, if we don't beat Washington, they're probably going to fire me then. But that was the way the whole thing started.
It ended up, remember, week 17 when we played the undefeated New England Patriots who were going for a 16-0 season. And it was one heck of a football game.
We played our starters. They played their starters.
Of course, everybody said, you can't win. You can't win.
We lost 38-35. We had the lead in the fourth quarter, but it was a great football game.
Yeah. And I went in, and the next morning when I came into work, there was a light on my voicemail, and I listened to it.
It was John Madden, and John Madden was telling me how, you know, he was so proud of what we had done. He said, the NFL is not about, the NFL is about competition.
It's about winning. It's about playing.
It's about playing your best. You don't rest players.
You don't do that. This is the greatest thing that's happened to the NFL in the last 10 years, and I hope they realize it over on Park Avenue, you know, that kind of a thing.
So Fox had the Super Bowl that year, and they had every game going in. Not one of the Fox experts ever picked us to win any game.
Yeah. Starting in Tampa, of course, then going to Dallas, obviously.
That was the second round. But when we got there, what you just mentioned, it was true.
In other words, Jerry had put two tickets on each player's stool in the locker room for the NFC Championship game, which would have been at home there in Dallas, had Dallas won. We found out about that, you know, and of course, I just subtly mentioned it to my team, and that gave them a little extra incentive, if you will.
But it was a heck of a, again, a heck of a football game. And if you remember, we scored just before the half.
Kevin Boss, you know, Eli to Kevin Boss gets it out to midfield, and eventually Imani Toomer, who had a great game, started the game off with a 50-yard touchdown with a catch of nothing more than a curl route, spun out of a tackle, went on and scored, but when we tied at 10-10 at halftime, that really was a little bit of a dagger, and we came back out and eventually won the game. But Dallas had beaten us twice during the regular season.
Yeah, yeah. Hard to beat a team three times.
Did you get those tickets from the Cowboys players? You're not going to use those? Yeah. They wouldn't.
Yeah, they didn't mail them to us. And I want to talk about more of that run, but you mentioned something there that I find fascinating.
Obviously, it was talked about a lot, but lot but the 06 season they want you fired you have to take a little bit off your fastball is basically what it was described as maybe maybe don't be as difficult on the players what what did that look like day to day and was that hard for you because you're you know you're old school football guy football coach where you're working the players hard your conditioning legendary. What was that like, though, for you to have to change it and be a little softer with the players? Well, let me just say this to you.
Every day you're alive, you better be learning. You better be learning.
You better be adjusting because things change, the world change. So I recognized some of the things that I'm talking about.
Number one, basically for me with the players was communication. I remember real early in my giant career, I'd walk into a team meeting, I'd give them exactly what I thought as straightforward as I possibly could, for example, how we're going to win, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then I'd go stand while the players walked by. And half the time, they weren't even on the same page with me even then.
So for me, it was communication. So what we did with the players was I started a leadership council, and I had players from each position, okay, who met with me on a weekly or maybe once every two weeks.
And I gave them the information they needed as players to go back into their meeting rooms and be able to educate the other players in the room as to what was coming. For example, you know how guys are about holidays, and they get itchy.
And if you don't get that information to people right away, then that's another hurdle you have to jump over in a communication thing that might be a distraction. So, for example, I would give them the Thanksgiving schedule a week or two early and they could cover that.
And I would say, fellas, I don't want to hear about it after that. Okay, let's get back to work and focus on what we're doing.
But that was the case. Another thing I did is I spoke to the guys from the media, the print media who were there every day, those hardworking guys.
And I listened to them. We took the gloves off and I said, you tell me what you don't like about me and I'll tell you what I don't like about you.
And we really came through it in such a way that I recognize I'm a blue guy, and I recognize that these people were as well. And I recognize I could help them a little bit without giving something important away.
And so I did a better job with that. I communicated better with the players.
I communicated better with the media. I laughed when it was funny.
And I still made them realize when the real stupid questions came that I wasn't real crazy about that. But, you know, but that's how this whole thing started.
And if you remember, Michael was out, didn't come into camp until right at the end of training camp. but to show you the significance of Michael Strahan, he walked in the door one day,

the next day we vote for him. to camp until right at the end of training camp.
But to show you the significance of Michael

Strahan, he walked in the door one day, the next day we vote for captains, he's a unanimous captain. I mean, he had leadership skills beyond which the greatest natural leader had ever been around.
But that's how we started. We started 0-2.
And the point I made with you about the playoffs was that, You know, the Fox team of experts didn't pick us to win one game, okay? Not one. They picked Tampa unanimously.
They picked Dallas, and they picked Green Bay unanimously. And, of course, there was no way.
We were just the other team in the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah.
It's, I mean, back against the wall. How much to that shift from 2006 to 2007, did it help maybe that Tiki Barber retired? Because you guys obviously butted heads a lot.
I don't even know if you guys speak to this day, but that feels like that probably helped the locker room a little bit as well right well that was taking tiki's uh decision and uh you know he let it be known that he was going to retire and throughout the course of the season he continued to let it be known but uh tiki was a heck of a football player now but but he retired after the 06 season yeah we should talk about that Green Bay game because I think we've got a bunch of questions about that.

Maybe the most gritty coaching performance that I've ever seen.

Your face turned a shade of red that doesn't exist in nature during that game.

You were just head-butting the wind,

and it must have been very, very cold down there.

Did you feel cold during that game?

Because we were worried about your health on TV.

First half was cold. The second half, I didn't feel anything.
I went out pregame, okay? I went out pregame without gloves, with a baseball cap on. You know, and I got out there for about five minutes, and I thought, how in the hell am I going to get back in that locker room? You know, it was very cold.
Minus 23, minus 27, wind chill, whatever fancy you choose to pick. But we came out, offensive lineman, no sleeves.
Eli to Plaxico threw the ball like it was 75 degrees. It was amazing.
But one of the real good stories was in the first half, I called Lawrence Tynes over next to me, and we didn't look at each other. We just looked at the field, you know, like we were, and I said, Lawrence, can you make a 46-yard field goal? He turned around and walked away from me.
So in the fourth quarter, you guys remember, we actually missed two field goals. He missed one legitimate.
There was a bad snap on another one. Okay.
So, you know, that was one of those deals. Well, the game goes to overtime.
We have the coin toss. They get the ball first.
Brett Favre throws an interception on the first play. Corey Webster's got great hands.
He makes the interception. He runs the ball back a little bit, not much.
We don't gain a yard. It didn't seem like we gained anything.
It comes to fourth down. I don't say a word.
I look at Lawrence Tynes. Lawrence Tynes throws his cape off, runs out on the field.
I yell, field goal, field goal. The field goal team goes out.
The coaches in my headset are saying, no, coach, don't do that. If he misses, look at the field position they'll have.
It could have been a 55-yarder. He hit it so well.
Now, you remember this, and you've been in the backyard as we all have. That ball was as hard as a rock.
Yeah. Okay? I mean, that ball was as hard hard as a rock and he hit it that well to put us,

you know,

in the,

in the,

in the Superbowl.

So after the game,

did,

did you seek medical attention?

I would have been like,

somebody help coach out.

Like,

let's get some,

but I got a lot of people that were interested if,

you know,

was it,

you know,

to what degree was my,

was my face that red was I frostbitten and all that business. It looked like it was melting.
How long did it take to thaw out? Well, probably until we got on the plane. I mean, we were in there with chicken noodle soup and all that stuff right afterwards.
But, of course, we had the Fox group in our locker room celebrating the team that was going to go to the super bowl yeah that wound me up winning that game warmed me up very much yeah yeah and then going into that super bowl obviously the 18 and 0 patriots uh there were comments the probably the only time tom brady's ever slipped up in the media with that famous uh you know clip where he kind of laughed at the idea that they were going to be

held to 17 points. When you see that clip and your team sees that clip, what was the confidence level going into that game, knowing you guys have played them close in the last week of the season? Well, we practiced very well.
That's where it starts for me always. Our preparation was good.
But when we flew out to Glendale to prepare for that game, we had actually an isolated hotel that was out in the middle of nowhere. And the guys went in maybe the first night and got to the restaurants, et cetera.
After that, pretty much they stayed around the hotel because it was a pretty good ride. So our focus as a team was really good.
And I really thought that we'd done a very good job of practicing and preparing. Now that's with the exception of David Tyree's Friday.
You remember that one. We had integrated David Tyree, who was a wide receiver, you know, a Pro Bowl special teamer.
We had now made him a short yardage and goal line receiver because he was strong. He could block.
He blocked and he was tough. So we knew that when David Tyree trotted out on the field, Bill Belichick was going to, it's run, it's run.
And we took advantage of that. But on the Friday before the Super Bowl, when everything is supposed to be perfect, David Tyree dropped everything.
The ball hit him in his helmet. He dropped the ball in his hands.
I mean, he literally couldn't catch anything. And to tell you the type of guy Eli is, practice is over.
The coaches are a little concerned. We're not going to say anything at that point in time.
I'm not to upset anybody. But Eli goes over to David Tyree, puts his arm around him, and he says, David, we know.
Forget about practice today. We know that when we need you, you'll be there.
And that was an interesting sidebar. But we practiced very well.
We were prepared. And I felt mentally our guys were in a really good place.
Even the Saturday before Sunday Super Bowl, the guys were kind of with their families around the pool, spending time together, you know, enjoying themselves not too far from the thoughts about the game as well. Our meetings that night went very, very well.
So, you know, I felt really good that we would play a good football game. Now, I don't know the outcome.
And obviously, the 17th game of the year, the 38-35, was nowhere near what this game was going to be like because this game became a defensive battle, a battle of field position, a battle of taking advantage of one another. And we had a turnover early.
You remember that ball was a little behind Steve Smith, and it tipped it up in the air, and they intercepted it. We were on our way in at that point in time, but it was a back and forth, back and forth.
And then of course they drove the ball at the end and Brady put them ahead with about, what, 237 to go. And that's when that drive started where the David Tyree catch, the great catch.
And people want to make light of that. That was a great catch because physically, if you remember the position he was in with Rodney Harrison, a big strong safety behind him, and Tyree is up high in the air to catch it.
One arm gets stripped away, pins the ball against the helmet with the other arm, goes down with Rodney across the back of his knees, doesn't let go of the ball, secures the ball, you know, which was truly a great play by Eli getting away, number one. Then when you throw the ball down the middle of the field, if it's overthrown, you know it's going the other way.
David Tyree makes the catch, but we're not in the end zone yet. We need a touchdown.
We need to drive the ball in. Steve Smith on third and 11, just getting enough for the first down.
Then the all-out blitz, Eli sees it. He tells Plaxico, I'm coming to you if it's single coverage now.
Plaxico, who's got the bad knee, I didn't even know he was going to play. Right up until the time when I had to turn the inactive list in, I didn't know Plaxico was going to play.
And Ronnie Barnes takes him out, works him out, comes in. He says, just a couple words, he's going to play.
He's going to play. Boom, we're on the field.
And that fact he was out there causes them to play the game that they had designed based on his effectiveness, obviously, in the Green Bay game. So that helped us just have him plaxico on the field.
And then he made a, you know, it was actually a sluggoal move on an all-out blitz. It was an all-out blitz.
Patriots were coming with everybody. Ball's in the air.
You know, from my vantage point, I'm saying, was this ball ever coming down? Can this ball get down quick enough for us? They can't recover? And sure enough, it did. And we still had just 35 seconds.
Brady had the ball. The game is not over, fellas.
Yeah. And he almost found Moss downfield on that deep ball, too.
Yeah. The rocket throw.
The other little story from the David Tyree catch. He's passed away, but Jared Lorenzen was our friend.
It came out afterwards that there was a drill you guys used to do where he would violently try to strip Eli. And basically, I remember seeing a video where it was almost like exactly the same of what Eli did in that play.
Those are just the little things that you as a coach are like, we have to practice these moments even if they'll never come up. That's right.
Ball security is number one. Next to four points against, it's turnovers.
Those are the two things. But just being in position to secure the football, and you see it today.
You see the number of people that are going for the punch out, knock the ball out today. It's a big theme in the league right now.
But yeah, anything we can do, the high and tight principle for our runners and receivers once they catch the ball. And the quarterback being in a position where those both two hands remain on the ball until you're ready to release the ball.
All of those things, the little, little details, you know, over and over, the mundane, over and over and over. You never know when it's going to be the factor in a game, and obviously in a game that close against that great.
That was a great football team. Guys, they were the greatest offensive machine in the history of football.
Yeah. And so every little thing that you could do to help secure the opportunity to win, you had to do.
So right around that time, actually that entire season, one of the ongoing storylines was the Spygate thing with New England. It was like every week there was a new development about it, right? So going into the Super Bowl, did you take any different precautions with your practices? Were you like looking at every camera that was around, checking the sky for drones? Were you like, was it a different sense of like preparation in terms of keeping around that? You remember, we practiced at the Cardinal facility, okay? The Patriots were somewhere else.
And and you know there there's built-in uh privacy uh in a pro you know operation so i i wasn't worried about that i i i thought we were secure yeah okay we'll get back to tom coughlin in a second this episode of pardon my take is brought to you by call of duty black ops 6 black ops 6 has so many new features and even more exciting content. You can dive into a mind-bending single-player campaign, best-in-class multiplayer and round-based zombies, which we're all so excited for on October 25th.
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So, talking about today's NFL, obviously you can list, like, the top quarterbacks, but is there a quarterback you watch that you're like, man, I wish I could have coached him or a guy that you see that maybe is up and coming that you're like, that's someone special? Well, there's, you know, obviously if you're watching football, you're always thinking about, you know, gee, this person, that person, whatever. The thing today in a lot of circles is the running quarterback.
But the thing that I see and has always been the principle for me is, and you remember, we're just thinking about the London game here a little bit ago. And Eli had a running touchdown in that first game in London.
You remember in 07, we were the first team to play over there against the Dolphins. But if you watch how Mahomes runs, he doesn't run until he has to run.
He doesn't want to run. He wants to run to throw the ball to have more time to throw the ball.
Those are the things. Because you remember for us, Eli started 210 straight games.
I mean, as a coach, if you can tell me that I'm going to have my starter, okay, for 210 straight games where he can prepare, where we know the quality of the preparation and the work that he will put in and that he will bring the experience factor one week to another, one week to another. That's, that's what, that's what pro football is, is, is really all about.
You worry to the extent that if a, if a guy, you're going to take hits in the pocket, big time hits in the pocket. The quarterback's protected today better than ever.
I get it. I was a part of that.
I wanted everything. I wanted the quarterback protected.
And he is protected. But when you run, you're a runner.
And no holes barred. All bets are off.
But to have your guy line up every week for 210 in a row, I mean, that's an incredible advantage for your team.

Was there something about – I mean, you know, Eli had an incredible career.

The crazy thing about Eli is during the regular season,

you probably couldn't say he was ever playing at, like, you know,

a top three quarterback level.

But then your two Super Bowl runs, he just was out of his mind good.

Was there something that you could see in him where it's like playoff time and you're like this guy i just i just know that he's going to be nails when we need him you look at his eyes yeah his eyes he is the greatest people argue with me i get it but he's the greatest big play big game excuse me big game quarterback that i've ever seen i, the way he approached things and the fact that, you know,

he really, really accepted the challenge.

He wanted the challenge, you know.

He wanted that.

I mean, he knew what his comparison was against Tom Brady, for example.

You know, and quite frankly, rightfully so.

I mean, they stacked up a bunch of Super Bowls.

But in those games, under those circumstances, you know, know call it his pedigree call it what you want but this guy you talk about making plays when he had to make him look at the manningham catching 46 yeah super bowl 46 and i i used while i'm looking at it in my own mind i don't realize eli's back there maneuvering to get the ball off in that situation you know and he made that throw so you talk about big play big game people wow i mean i i'm taking him yeah because i've seen him do it under any circumstance you can imagine would you would you ever have to try to trick him though like in a game? Be like, hey, this is a big game, Eli. We're going to need big game Eli here.
Oh, no. You know, he – well, you look at that year, the game 17 against the Patriots.
You know, that was the game when you know how the media is, 50-50. You're going to arrest your players, coach? Yeah.
You're going to arrest your – no. No, we're playing to win.
And my team bought that completely.

What was the look in Eli's eyes?

How could you tell it was different?

There was no question about his focus and what was going on.

No matter when he took the field, you could see it.

Yeah.

If you knew the player, you could see it.

Tied in with Eli is going to be your son-in-law, Chris Snee, who you drafted. Was that the same draft as Eli? I think it was.
Yeah, they were one-two. They were roommates.
He was your second-round pick. Did you have to lean on the scouts a little bit to be like, hey, I think this is the guy we got to take? And they were like, sure, coach, he's your son-in-law.
I understand. We have to draft him.
No, they did it the other way around. The whole organization felt – we had Chris Snee in the first round, the middle of the first round.
That's how high we had him ranked. And when he slipped like that, there was no question in the room about who the best possible player was.
And we took him in the top of the second round, and it proved out. I mean, there's – you talk about toughness, you talk about serious guys that want to, you know, they want to win, they'll work and they'll pay the price in order to win and they'll do things the right way.
And the camaraderie that developed in that offensive line, you know, with Richie and Sean and Kareem and David Deal at left tackle, those guys were know they loved each other they played for each other they backed each other up when things were going and the guy who did it by by virtue of his actions not necessarily his mouth was Chris Snead I love the idea of of the scouts and the other guys in the draft room having to convince you to draft your son-in-law. Yeah.
That would be very funny. So I heard a funny story about him.
I heard that sometimes during maybe a week where you weren't so happy with the coaches, with the offensive line, that they would ask Chris to bring your grandkids into the facility because they knew that it would soften you up and you wouldn't be so angry. Did you know that you were being manipulated? No, I did not know that.
But I know that during preseason they would be there a lot of times where I'd get to throw the ball with them and roll around in the grass after practice. Yeah.
I want to go back real quick. In the beginning of your coaching career, you were on that Parcells staff that won a Super Bowl for the Giants.
Belichick's on there as well. When you're there in that moment, this is before Belichick becomes Belichick, did you know that he was special and there was the way he coached his defense was he was going to have this career going forward? Can you feel it in that room? He was a great football coach.
There was no doubt about that. I don't care how old he was.
He was very thorough. And as a defensive coach, he coached the secondary.
And I had the receivers. And we worked together a lot.
And we were always bugging Parcells for more time or red zone, tight red zone, one-on-one,

and all the things you need to do to be ready when you come out of camp

for the season.

But Bill did a – I mean, he did a great job.

I mean, his defensive plans are epic.

I mean, the game against the 49ers, you know,

there's as talented a team as you'll ever play against. And what we were able to do, we win by field goal.
But neither one knew, although when Bill, I think, thought about that Cleveland job right there at the end of the season, much like I was thinking about the BC job. And so him getting the opportunity was not a surprise at all.
And it didn't matter how old he was. Yeah.
Yeah. So I read a story that going back to your college days, your RA was Jim Boeheim, Syracuse head coach.
Yeah. Boeheim was an RA on our floor.
Sadler Hall, in those days, the top 44 were in Sadler Hall, and Bayheim was my RA. He's your RA.
So did you ever get in trouble? No. You were a good student, never had to worry about him.
I played against him in high school. Yeah, how was that? I played against him in high school.
How did that game go? Well, they drilled us. He was a senior with a really good basketball team, and we started three sophomores coming out of my high school.
Now, the interesting thing is that they were a double-A school. Lions was a double-A school, and I don't believe they won the sectional.
We were all sections in New York State. It was Section 5.
They would get beat, and we won the Section 5 Class A three years in a row. Yeah.
I mean, it's just funny. Jim Boeheim's one of those guys I could never imagine being young.
Yeah, but I could always imagine him being an RA. That's a good one.
I'm not sure. I'm you know he he's legendary about his shooting ability especially you know in high school but uh he you know he prided himself as a defensive coach and he was a great one you know that two three zone which probably was everything and everything you know depending on what you did yeah it was him i got a weird question um and this might be because it means more to me than probably anyone else in the world.
Do you remember when you were on the head coach of the Jaguars? Do you remember the kid that got his head stuck in the statue? No. Okay, all right.
It wasn't you, was it? No, no, no. We actually interviewed him like a couple months ago.
I do remember. I remember the buzz about it.
I don't remember. I didn't see it.
Okay. All right.
But you remember maybe hearing about it, being like, hey, a kid got his head stuck in the statue. But you were in charge of everything from the ground up with the Jaguars.
So that statue you signed off on. Yeah.
You got that kid stuck in the statue. You built a death trap.
I got the kid stuck. Yeah.
I was hoping it was a good luck charm yeah no it wasn't i don't think it has been no not necessarily yeah uh so uh i i also read that you went on a uso tour with jeff fisher was that after was that after the music city miracle well that was in 08 that was in 08 09 right in there yeah yeah we went uh i was General Raymond Odierno. You know, the commander in chief of the Iraqi National Force was a good friend of mine, a giant fan.
So I was originally going to go with General O over to Iraq anyway. But it became a USO trip.
So it was Bill Cowher. It was John Harbaugh, John Gruden, Jeff Fisher, and me.
And it was a great, great experience for all of us. Because, you know, the word was, you know, the troops, the morale, the troops were great.
They had great morale. And on the 4th of July, now President Joe Biden, who was vice president at the time, came over.
That's why all five of us were in one room. You know, we were in one of those palaces.
Yeah. And we were in a big room, like bunk beds, except there was one double bed.
I said, I'm taking that one. They all laughed, but I got it.
Fisher had to sleep over by the door because he snored so loud that nobody could stand him in the room. But we had a really, really great experience.
We listened to President Biden and General O as they made citizens of 257 soldiers that were in our uniform but weren't even, how about one? Weren't citizens yet. So that was the 4th of July.
We went to Mosul that had just been bombed the day before. And I'll never forget, they met us on the tarmac.
The tarmac was 112 degrees that day. We land, we get out.
They said to me, why don't you go with Coach O? Excuse me, with General Odierno. So I get in the car with the General and the place has just been bombed and I'm thinking to myself, is this a good idea? If they're going after somebody, they're going after the big guy.
I'm in the car with them. Maybe not my best call.
Yeah, that's just such a funny visual to me is the group of you guys, you, Gruden, Fisher, the whole squad. And you were hanging out in Saddam Hussein's palace, right? Oh, yeah.
That's where we stayed. Stay in the same room.
There were seven of them. We stayed in one of them.
Yeah. The amount of football you've seen and stories you have, it's incredible.
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You should be in the Hall of Fame. I don't know is that something that you obviously have in the back of your head but are you like, hey, what's going on here because we talked about the Jaguars starting a franchise, two Super Bowls with the Giants going even through some of these playoff runs where you guys were underdogs maybe one of the best underdog coaches ever.
Is that something that you think about? Don't forget those two AFC championship appearances are in the first five years. We mentioned Jeff Fisher, but that was tough that year that you guys went 14-2.
Yeah, 14-2, and the only losses were the Titansans yeah yeah we were 15 and two when they beat us in the afc championship game yeah he had your number does he remind you of that he had your number that year no he didn't remind me but i'm aware of it yeah yeah he doesn't have to remind me because to be honest with you that's one of the most disappointing things that I have in my briefcase is that one. We were up.
We were up 14-10 at the half. We flumbled a punt right before the half, and I think they kicked a field goal.
They may have scored. But anyway, we came back out in the second half, and they had their way.
You should be in the Hall of Fame. Big cats right let's let's get people talking about that and and you also your your foundation which is does incredible work uh can you can you tell everyone about what you because you've always been giving back so the the uh the coughlin foundation which uh we should we should at least mention what are you doing today with it i appreciate it if you mention it we just had our major fundraiser in New York at Medlife Stadium

our 20th, what we call Champions for Children's event. The foundation is 29 years old.
I started it in 1996 when I was in Jacksonville. When I was at Boston College, my very first year at Boston College, my starting strong safety was a young man by the name of Jay McGillis.
Tough kid, came from Brockton, Mass. You know, great family, mom, dad, siblings, the whole deal.
We come back from Syracuse, I think it was our ninth or tenth game, and the trainer came to me and said, you know, Jay's, I don't think Jay can play this week. I said, why not? He said, well, he's not feeling well, and his throat is all swollen, and we can't, and I said, well, can we get him better, and it wasn't a sore throat, and it wasn't the mumps, it was leukemia, and it was a ravaging form of leukemia.
July 3rd of 1992, we lost Jay McGillis, and it was a crusher for our whole team. But the experience that they went through, and as close as I became to the family and watched what the family went through, one of my linebackers, Mike Panos, came to me and said, Coach, we got to do something for the McGillis family.
They're at the bedside of a sick child and they're not they're not able to pay any bills they can't do anything like so i said okay sit down mike let's talk about it we came up with a plan where the players went into the community and got pledges for uh you know for maximum lifts so in those days in college football in the spring we'd do a max bench squat power clean you know the whole deal So. So in those days in college football, in the spring, we'd do a max bench, squat, power clean, you know, the whole deal.
So they went out into the community and they got pledges. We raised $50,000.
We gave the McGillis family a check for $50,000 at halftime of the spring game. Well, the idea was implanted in my mind, Judy's and mine, that if we ever had a chance to give back,

we would give back in the name and the image and likeness of J. McGillis.
And so in 1996, we started the JFund Foundation, which has as its objective helping families who have a child with cancer. And we've done it for 29 years.
We have helped over 5,800 families, and we've to the tune of over $28 million. And we continue because the fight is ongoing.
The battle does not get accomplished. It's an everyday battle and struggle for these families because when they hear those words that your child has cancer, the whole world changes for them.
If there are two family, two people in the family are both breadwinners, one has to stop, okay? Because someone has to be at the bedside of the sick child. But this is what we do.
My daughter, Kelly Coughlin-Joyce, is the CEO of the sick child. So, but this is what we do.
My daughter, Kelly Coughlin Joyce, is the CEO of the J Fund. She's done a great job.
We have a great team. We have a great team of devoted people to this cause.
And one of the things we've just started to do, which has really made a huge difference is we take 10 families families to Winn-Dixie or Stop and Shop, and we turn them loose in the grocery store, and then we pay for that. And we had 10 families the other day who had $20,000 in grocery bills.
And we do this. We have the J Fund is in New York, New Jersey, and in Jacksonville.
That's awesome. That's great.
That's so awesome that you're giving back like that. Well, Coach, this has been a great time.
We really appreciate your time. And yeah, we're going to be on Coughlin time now.
You got us. Thank you, guys.
Showing up early. Get that time at five minutes ahead of time and tell people why.
Yeah. you're not early you're late yeah maybe even at some time you might want to take the sunglasses off you never know i doubt that now you're going too far coach i'm in your doghouse i love it you're right all right thank you so much coach we appreciate it thank you all right coach you by Black Ops.
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Okay, let's wrap up. We got FAQs.
Henry. Hey, Slimming Cat, Low-Key, Genius, PFT, Hanky Panky, and Maxie.
Just wanted to say thanks. Love everything y'all do and truly makes my weeks better listening to y'all.
Question. What's the biggest miss y'all have had? Like a chance to interview someone that you had to say no to and haven't got the chance again yet what are the chances of getting jaded on the pod soon since we got caleb a few months ago we've been on the pod he was on during his heisman campaign yeah had him on had him on oh i right now blake of the year lottery ball yeah blake but that was fun it was bad but it was fun biggest miss um hmm I would say doing a television show yeah no but in terms of yes I don't know we had this was this was pre-covid I think uh when Mantis was worked for us and he this is before he blew up but he was like Jack Harlow's come in the office do you guys want to interview him we said no and then like i think within three months he was like the biggest rapper on the planet that was a miss uh i think about that one sometimes um zach brian day but yeah billy was brown yep no zach brian oh yeah yeah billy was like close to zach brian before he blew up that was a fucking mess to billy's credit he kept being like hey we got to get this guy on the show he's gonna blow up and we'd be like okay but i love his music yeah and we'd be like all right billy and then we'd forget and then two weeks later hey do you guys really should have him on do you want me to tell him that you guys want him on we'd be like yeah one day and then next thing you know he's i wish i had listened music back then because I would have said, yes, Zach Bryan, please come on the show.
We'll make it up to you. Yeah, we will make it up to you.
But yeah, I don't know. I feel like we've gotten almost everyone that we've, yeah, not a ton of misses.
What was the other part of that question? Was there another part of that question? Get Jaden on. Oh, yeah, yeah.
I don't need Jaden on right now. We've had him on've had him on i'm in the mode we'll get him on i'm in the mode of just don't touch anything yeah we will definitely get you the last thing jaden needs is for my dumb ass to just have him on the show and tell him how awesome he is hey pmt boys pft specifically what happened to pft trying to take the bar he bragged he could pass and talked about studying and never mentioned it again i can i can pass the bar i'll do it he's gonna do it when hank dunks no that's more of a it's more of an off-season thing i'm in football mode right now so i say i'm gonna do a lot of stuff at the start of every football off season i usually accomplish like 25 of that i think i i actually we had dinner with uh with dan morgan a few months ago and i was telling him i think i could pass the bar you guys aren't that smart he was like you you might be able to so i think i'm i think i'm going to become a lawyer just like casually and then i'm gonna sue everyone are you gonna dunk yeah just kidding me it's we're getting the weather's turning i'm training every day i'm i'm not it's not something i've like you know forgot about okay i'm going i'm not drinking till thanksgiving wow really overdrive overdrive did you drink last weekend yeah okay what about you just went into overdrive.
Yeah. You're three days into overdrive.
Yeah. What about Halloween?

Oh, come on you gotta no come on you're not a halloween guy everyone's a halloween guy go ahead memes question memes so would will this dunk be live stream or is it like a just a solo video itself i'll be live streamed i want to do it Friday, December 21st. Speaking of big videos, we don't want to have to worry about it

over Christmas break.

We are working on getting max pitching for Dingers Only,

and we might have upped it in terms of, no offense to UIC,

but upped the competition.

Might have, being the key word.

Might have.

Either way, we're going to do it.

And if we do UIC again

they're gonna kick

the shit out of Max

and the dart stream

will be before Thanksgiving

sometime in the next

three weeks

okay

so you'll be sober for it

for sure

oh

so that entire stream

you're not gonna have

a single drink

no

for that entire

two weeks

nope

what are you gonna say Max

I had nothing to say

are you ready to pitch

I mean I'm gonna get shelled

no you won't

Thank you. what are you gonna say max i had nothing to say are you ready to pitch i mean i'm gonna get shelled no you won't you're a fucking beast believe in yourself you're a beast i mean if i don't know i don't think it's actually gonna work out but if it does work out i'm gonna like i'm gonna get fucking smoked i'm gonna be out there for a year yeah i'm actually i'm very worried about my knees Want to trade i'm worried about catching oh no oh no okay hank next one uh we can end with this one hey slim cat pft pf tall cocky hank two sodas ass crack max my question is after doing the show for all these years does ever actually feel like a job or does it just still feel like shooting the shit with your buddies and talking a ball? I would say that, uh, between the lines, whenever we step into the studio, mics are on.
It doesn't feel like it's never felt like a job. I'd say the only time.
Yeah. The only time it feels like a job is if it's like a truly dead period of time, but we do Mount Rushmore season.
So like kind of reinvigorates us in the summer. That's, Oh, Shane just walked in fist pumping.
Cause we bet that's not a good thing. Change.
You know, do you know my, do you know my futures? Like what, what has happened? You're going to lose to my homes in the playoffs. That's what's going to happen.
I missed what you say you say? Why were you fist pumping? The Chargers bet.

Yeah, I know, but that's bad.

I lose all my.

What?

If you cash out.

I'm not going to cash out. I'm going to cash out.

I'll say this right now, and you can shame me.

You'll probably future you will be like, how can you cash out?

I will be cashing out.

I'm not going to shame anyone because that was part of my pitch.

I 100% intend to cash out and then probably put that cash out on another team to win the super can i tell you what you really should do then put it in twice i have a cash out option i i their chargers are will not win the super bowl and i will be cashing out this all right now i really want the chargers to win the super bowl now i'm really not cashing out because they're gonna fucking run the table for sure uh But yeah, it's like the beauty of this job is not only that we all love each other and work well together. And I was thinking about the other day and while I was taking a shower, I was like, we're getting very close to 10 years.
Like, we're coming up on nine. Hank sent those videos over of us going to the Jaguars-Bears game.
And I thought I heard him say yeah there's no way that's eight today's the anniversary of miguel montero's grand slam we were all there in the bleachers eight years which is crazy yeah no it doesn't for me the only time it feels like work is if we're doing something where we're at work for like 14 hours in a day and then it's like okay it'd be nice to go home at some point but as far as doing the podcast it's i don't think for a second it's felt like work to me well i think it's your your point is it's not in the studio no it's just when we're doing like logistics and like there's shit there's work stuff that comes up but it's never in the studio and the beauty of the show and what we we love to talk about sports is that like sports are ever changing so that's why it works that we always have new material like that i've said it before i love i love love football it's my favorite sport but around february when it's like the end of the season like i could talk about something else for a little bit yeah and then i could take a break in the real dead zones that's when sometimes we get the weirdest yeah which is usually pretty good mount rushmore season should we rip a random route

mount rushmore it's occurred to me that without football especially if we're talking like early july mid july the summer we go temporarily insane yeah we really do and we just we just create ways to entertain ourselves when in the back of our head our real personalities are like just give me more football.

Yeah.

Random Mount Rushmore real quick.

People like this Mount Rushmore, real quick. People will like this.
Mount Rushmore of teams that can win the Super Bowl this year. No, who goes first? I went first last time.
All right, so Hank. Hank? Chiefs.
Good pick. Ravens.
That's a really good pick, Hank. That was a really good pick.
Ravens.

Lions.

Oh, fuck.

You guys have really good picks.

Damn it.

I don't think the Vikings.

Niners.

Don't let people bully into and take him.

Hank made a face.

The walls.

Niners and this one.

No, I can't do it.

Texans.

The Buffalo Bills.

That's great value.

Great value.

Yep.

I got Cooper.

I'll go Vikings.

Okay.

There's a big value out there that I passed on that I actually think should have been a first round. Packers? Yeah.
It's a good Mount Rushmore. Fuck it.
Bengals. Oh, I love it.
Eagles. Somebody left.
Somebody left. Do you want to talk about the odds? Because the Eagles are currently 16-1 And the Commanders are 30-1 So that was a good laugh I'm glad you enjoy looking at odds We were talking about value We were talking about value You had a lot of fucking confidence in your Eagles Max You're Yeah, no, but I mean, you're not in a position to be laughing yet.
I'm laughing. You haven't been in the playoffs in a decade.
For the record, I'm laughing. This is a good Mount Rush for you.
I'm laughing, Max. This is a good Mount Rush for you.
30-1. Take it.
Take it. Take 30-1.
I'm not going to take it because I don't agree with you. I'm laughing.
It's so funny to me. He's laughing.
Okay. Clip this.
Who are you saying that to? Just world, clip this. Clip it.
Clip it world. Yeah, actually, yeah, please clip it.
Please clip it. And then we'll update this argument at the end of December.
When neither of our teams make it out of the first round. Clip this too.
Max is probably 100% correct. We're both going to lose in the first round of the playoffs.
We'll be like, remember when we yelled at each other about when she was better? Yeah. Okay.
We took the Niners. They've been off the board, huh? Oh, yeah.
Did anybody take the Vikings? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
I think you should have to take the Commanders. Can you put this in whisper font commanders okay I will not all right jets they go memes jets and chargers you didn't pick the charge I would immediately That would have been so funny if one of you said Chargers.
It's like, dude, no chance. I'm taking the NFC version of the Chargers, the Atlanta Falcons.
And I'll take the Bucs. I mean, that was Pug.
I mean, I'm just looking at the odds. The Bucs have the next best odds.

Give me...

I think Rusty's going to turn some things around.

Give me the Steelers.

They got a good defense.

Super Bowl winning experience.

Good value.

Super Bowl winning experience at head coach.

Wait, what do you mean Super Bowl winning experience?

Who on the team?

Russell Wilson.

The Bears would have been better value there. Bears would have been better value.
Do they have Super Bowl winning experience at head coach. Wait, what do you mean Super Bowl winning experience? Who on the team? Russell Wilson.
The Bears would have been

better value there.

Bears would have been

better value.

Do they have Super Bowl

winning experience

at quarterback and coach?

You guys don't understand

the word value.

I'm literally,

we're going off of odds.

He's going off odds.

Wait, did you not take

the Cowboys?

No.

Oh, Hank.

They need a new coach.

Tiffany is going to be

upset about this. She's trying to get the GM fired.
What? Jerry? Yeah. All right.
That was a good Mount Rushmore. Contentious.
We got to stay in Mount Rushmore shape every now and then. Also, Max, the Commanders made the playoffs like, was that 2020? Yeah, they did.
Heineke, he covered against Tom Brady. We beat you guys in Week 17.
Bears also made the playoffs that year. That's kind of crazy that we both made the playoffs and we both were like, there's 0% chance anything happens whatsoever.
There was also like, when I picked the Eagles, there were not a bunch of good teams left. Jets? Chargers? Yeah.
It wasn't a crazy time to pick the Eagles. Devontae Adams, bro.
It is. It's crazy when you take into account what you've been saying about the Eagles for the last, like, two weeks.
But at that point, when you go to the third round, you're not picking teams that you actually think have a good chance of making. It's also a possibility

that sometimes people on the show

say things to intentionally stir Max up.

Yeah. That's also

true that I am bad at reading.

Alright, numbers

three. 59.

Five. Memes, you want

to switch with me? 11.

No, I'll say one step.

Are you sure? I'm giving you a chance. 99 pull.
Memes, you can to switch with me? 11. No, I'll stick with that.
Are you sure? I'm giving you a chance.

99 pull.

Three's never.

Memes, you can have three right now.

Nope, 17.

21.

That means I'm a torture chamber.

37.

37.

You're never close when you can take that.

Love you guys. Thank you.
Thank you.