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Speaker 1 We're going to break down every game from Sunday. There was some awesome football all weekend long.
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Today is Monday, September 30th, week 4.

Speaker 1 What? What?

Speaker 1 Some spread.

Speaker 1 Football.

Speaker 1 We start in Atlanta where Kadero Hodge brought the team on a pilgrimage to Mecca, aka the end zone for six to start the scoring. After Rashid Shaheed Wallace said, The ball don't lie in my hands.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be anyone other than what I've been as a running back lately.

Speaker 1 As Taysom One Tree Hill tried to get his team to an NFCW, but it was the Falcons with no timeouts left using the leg of life is a young way.

Speaker 1 I want to kick it 58 yards long to seal the victory for Atlanta. Falcons 26.
Saints 24.

Speaker 1 We go up to Wisconsin where the Packers got served a healthy dish of green eggs and Sam. As Darnold said, I will only throw one interception today.
I will throw three touchdowns past Green Pay.

Speaker 1 Justin Jefferson Davis said, you can't cover my entire route treason.

Speaker 1 And the Vikings passed succeeded against the Packers depleted secondary. The Green Day Packers in the month 2-2, saying, once again, wake me up when September ends.
The Vikings 31, the Packers 28.

Speaker 1 In Carolina, where Chupa Hubbard said, suck it, Amigo, running for over 100 yards and a touchdown.

Speaker 1 The Bengals went to the ATM and took out their chase card for pay dirt as Jamar and Brown scored three touchdowns combined.

Speaker 1 David Lepper looks like he had all the Panthers' fingers and hands falling off as the Bengals win the Battle of the Jungle Cats. Bengals 34.

Speaker 1 Bengals 34. Panthers 24.

Speaker 1 And we head out to the Air We Stay in the NFC South. The Bucs and the Eagles with our reporter Max Delinti.

Speaker 1 We head over to Tampa, Tampa, where the Eagles officially suck. Rashad WHIT.

Speaker 1 E. Goodman had the Eagles defense looking like average Joe's.
Eagles fans have had enough of Bryce not so tough as he once again had another game with no tackles and no quarterback pressures.

Speaker 1 Darius Flay got cooked all day and went on to Twitter to talk about how many fucking Pro Bowls he has. Nick Siriani stinks.
This team stinks. Bucs 33, Eagles 16.
Oh, thank you, Max. That was great.

Speaker 1 Ah, let's stick. Let's go to the AFC East with memes up in New York.

Speaker 1 We had the MedLife Stadium where Zach Wilson wanted to soak in all the memories of days when the rain came with Robert Sala la la la la la la la la la la la.

Speaker 1 You can't coach.

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Speaker 1 Alec Lizard Baldwin needed proof that his gun was fake, but the refs didn't believe him. While Greg Sirloin was overcooked, leaving fans with a bad taste in their mouth.
Broncos 10 Jets 9.

Speaker 1 Great job memes. We head over to Indy where Anthony Richardson came out looking a little grungy and what's that sound? Flacco son won't you come and wash away our pain? Flacco son you're not done.

Speaker 1 That was fun.

Speaker 1 Justin, how does it feel?

Speaker 1 Was like a rolling stone into the end zone scoring twice. Shane, the rise and fall of the third stike end wins this battle of two teams that used to look up to Aryans.
Coach 27, the Steelers 24.

Speaker 1 In Chicago, where Calibral Williams and the Bears offense got swift voted as DeAndre had 16 John carries for 93 yards and a touchdown, DJ Moore, Moor Moore said, how do you like it?

Speaker 1 How do you like it? As he scored to give the Bears a second half lead, which was enough after Sean McVay McVay went out like Moses, leaning on his staff for

Speaker 1 Bears 24, Rams 18. I should have said staff

Speaker 1 for or

Speaker 1 Bears 24, Rams 18. Ah, out west in the afternoon.
Henry Lockwood. We go down to San Jose.

Speaker 1 Jake Mad Eye Moody. Hold up, hold up.
I don't think you got the throw. He's okay.
He's okay. He's okay.
Power through, boom. Throat's not built.
Come on, boom.

Speaker 1 Jake Mad Eye Moody showed he had aura in the first quarter, knocking down two field goals to get the scoring golden.

Speaker 1 Fred Kurt Warner bagged an interception, cleaned off the bone of a Jacoby Brisket throw, and he could go all the way for a defensive touchdown.

Speaker 1 Brock of House Purdy knighted Sir Gregor Clegane Kettle with a mountainous dime in the fourth quarter in the end zone. And the quarter of the end zone.
Quarter, corner, quarter.

Speaker 1 And Jordan Mason Ramsey Yoleo Leo Leo.

Speaker 1 His way into the end zone to cap off a 30-13 victory for the San Francisco Super 49ers.

Speaker 4 Great job, Hank.

Speaker 1 Down to Arizona, where Jaden Denielson took on Cobra Kyler Murray as Mr. Jeremiagi McNichols swept the leg with two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Bobby Wagner Group might be a mercenary, but he helped the commies put a put in their ass. Cliff King's memberberry, remember when he coached the Cardinals? Remember that?

Speaker 1 And then he put 42 on their head? Because I remember. Commanders, 42.
The Cardinals,

Speaker 1 14.

Speaker 1 Standing on the corner, Jameis Winston, Cuyahoga. Such a fine sight to see.

Speaker 1 It's Vegas, my lord. Don't pay us because we're sore.
God damn, we hate the referees. It sucks because

Speaker 1 we looked down on Crosby.

Speaker 1 And our QB shares some trades with Bill Cosby.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 Raiders 20, Browns 16.

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Speaker 1 Okay, week four in the books. We're watching the fourth quarter of the Ravens-Bills game.
Looks like the Ravens are all the way back.

Speaker 1 Big Cat.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I got two words for you.
Yeah. You know what they are.
Big D?

Speaker 1 Big D. Big D.
Big D.

Speaker 4 It's like a stiff arm out there, that Big D.

Speaker 1 That's Skip Bayless saying Big D, Derrick Henry. Yeah.

Speaker 4 The Ravens we knew had an awesome, awesome rushing offense. Bill's rushing defense looks extremely suspect.
Yeah. We kind of knew that a little bit, though, but they're getting big buoyed.

Speaker 4 They're getting bullied around.

Speaker 1 It was, yeah, it's one of those, the Bills coming back down to earth, the Ravens ascending back to what we expected preseason after an 0-2 start. There also is just nothing...

Speaker 1 more intimidating than the Ravens going all-blacks in on a Sunday night game at home.

Speaker 1 It's something about it.

Speaker 4 Under the lights, the all-black uniforms are amazing. They should never wear the all-blacks in the light of day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it adds like five points of strength to every player.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there is like some studies that have been done that show

Speaker 4 that teams that wear red are more intimidating. And like overall, they tend to win more.

Speaker 4 That might have been skewed because at the time the study was done, I think Man United was like rolling off six EPLs or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 And the Chiefs in Georgia.

Speaker 4 And the Chiefs, yeah, and Georgia. But yeah, the all-black uniforms, if they're on a good team, they make that good team better.

Speaker 1 Yes, I agree. I agree.
All right.

Speaker 4 Also, Lamar Jackson is good. Now that he's no longer a fat ass like apparently he was last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's slender man, and he's killing it. And yeah, Derrick Henry is, I mean, he's seven-yard touchdown.
I did not think Big D had an 87-yard touchdown still in his bag.

Speaker 4 That's the crazy part is he weighs, what, like 250 pounds maybe? Yeah. And nobody could catch him.

Speaker 1 No one could catch him.

Speaker 1 It was shocking. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 we'll put a bow on it when the game goes final, but the Ravens dominate. And it was one of those nights where Josh Allen was not, he wasn't fully crisp Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 And we had the disaster play where everything went wrong when they looked like they were going to get back in the game. And they did.

Speaker 1 What even was that play? It was like he was out wide, and then they lateraled it to him.

Speaker 4 They got cute with it as well.

Speaker 1 They got way too cute with it.

Speaker 4 They lateraled to him. He tried to bomb it.
He got strip sacked. And then he also got a dome piece to the dome piece.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dome piece to the dome piece. All right.
So

Speaker 1 let's start with

Speaker 1 hand up. I was wrong.
Oh, Derrick Henry just fumbled into the end zone, and I don't know what the pile is. All right, we'll stop updating this game, but I was wrong.

Speaker 1 I thought that the Packers would win this game. Vikings 31, Packers 29.
I am now officially ready to take the Vikings for real. I needed this win for them to take them fully for real.
And Sam Darnold,

Speaker 1 maybe he's just different now because the game started, and he tried to throw an interception on like the second pass of the game.

Speaker 1 Someone just dropped it on the Packers. He threw it right at him.
And then from that point forward, I think he started like 10 of 13, 130 yards and three passing touchdowns.

Speaker 1 And they were up 28 to nothing in a blink of an eye.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was doing this without Addison and without Hawkinson. He got Addison back, and having Addison out there makes a big difference for that offense.
Yes.

Speaker 4 I actually think that the Minnesota Vikings are, I'm going to say it.

Speaker 1 They're for real. They are for real.

Speaker 4 I heard a couple people.

Speaker 4 I heard some national, some talking heads, Teddy Brewski saying this was going to be a true colors game for Sam Darnold, where he was going to show his true colors and go back to being old Sam.

Speaker 4 He is anti-Samitic. I am not anti-Samitic.
I believe in Sam. I believe more so, I think it's a perfect fit for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's the receivers are incredible. Sam Darnold is not all of a sudden a top three quarterback, but he is playing like a top three quarterback.
And

Speaker 1 he has some of the best. I mean, Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in football.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's got great weapons. He's got a great system, great head coach.
And he is playing well. I don't want to take anything away from Sam.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not.

Speaker 4 Like, thought experiment. If the season ended today,

Speaker 4 he might not be MVP, but he would be maybe second or third for MVP.

Speaker 1 Season ended today, MVP.

Speaker 4 Because going into tonight, it was like Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 It was Josh Allen, Nico Collins.

Speaker 4 I think you have to talk about Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels? That's why you did this.

Speaker 1 That's exactly why he did this.

Speaker 4 I didn't think about it.

Speaker 1 That's exactly why he did this conversation. Not true, but once I started going to the bottom.
I fell for the chop.

Speaker 4 Getouche. Once I started going.

Speaker 1 It was well done.

Speaker 4 Wait a second. Wait a sec.
It's completely.

Speaker 4 Listen, it's foreign to me to have somebody that I could say that about that wouldn't be considered utter joke. So I'm not planning.

Speaker 4 I don't know enough about how to act like I've been there before because I've never been there before. So I'm not laying traps for anybody.
But I thought. But it's a good trap.
It was a good trap.

Speaker 4 But I think Sam Darnold would be in that conversation.

Speaker 1 This is good because Max is starting to get a little angry. I think he'd be watching.
He's kind of shit,

Speaker 5 though. Now that you bring it up.

Speaker 1 Well, Sam Darnold. That's a good point, hey.
Sam Darnold is the first QB.

Speaker 1 He's the first QB to win, to start 4-0 and have at least two passing touchdowns in each of his first four starts. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 He's been playing incredible. Justin Jefferson is a maniac.

Speaker 1 Not even the touchdown catch that he caught with one hand against his chest. The catch he made at the end of the game,

Speaker 1 I think it was late fourth quarter along the sideline, Sam Darnold kind of led him too far. I don't understand the guy, like his body control is so out of this world to get that extra foot down.

Speaker 1 It's he's just so, so good. He's so much better than everyone else.
And again, not taking anything away from Sam Darnold, but Justin Jefferson is just that special.

Speaker 1 And this game was, they jumped all over him. My question for you, PFT, is: does Malik Willis win this game?

Speaker 4 So that's a good question, big cat. Thank you.
I've come the other way around.

Speaker 4 Now I think that Malik Willis is the best fit for that offense. Jordan Love, I think, came back a little too soon.

Speaker 4 I think he's rushing himself a little bit. He probably saw Malik out there and he's like, I don't want to lose my job to Malik Willis.
But tell you what,

Speaker 4 in terms of Jordan Love, I think we should turn it over to somebody who's actually been there before, walked a mile in those shoes, to hear his thoughts.

Speaker 4 Because Jordan Love got open-lettered after the game.

Speaker 4 Dear Jordan, just a reminder that one game, one play, or one pass doesn't define you. Way to show resilience today.
You have a long career ahead. Just keep going forward.
Number four.

Speaker 1 Oh, so he wore a Brett Favre jersey going into the game today.

Speaker 1 He also, in a touching tribute to Brett Favre, was the first Packers quarterback to have four touchdowns and three interceptions since Brett Favre last did it in 1999.

Speaker 4 That's amazing. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 That's a touching tribute. And also, like Brett Favre, he wasn't looking out for his own welfare today because he rushed himself back to

Speaker 1 soon.

Speaker 1 Remember, we used to joke about the Josh Rosen stat line where he would go like 12 for 17 for 103 yards. Yep.

Speaker 1 Jordan Love, and no touchdowns, no interceptions. Jordan Love had whatever the opposite of that is.
He had the fullest day possible. He went 32 for 54, 389 yards, four touchdowns, three picks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there we go. You felt him.
There we go. You felt his presence in the game.

Speaker 4 It was good to see him back out there.

Speaker 1 No, he got hot in the second half. I mean, at the end of the game, he was red hot.

Speaker 4 The second half was all Packers. Yeah.
It was all Packers. So the Vikings were happy that they built up, what is it, a 28 to nothing? 28-0.

Speaker 4 And then there was that, was it a muff punt? So many muff punts today. Yeah.
Muff punts left and right. But at the end of the half, the Packers got a score, and then it was all Packers after that.

Speaker 1 Shout out Matt LaFleur, who actually did the correct thing and went for two down 14.

Speaker 4 Yes, yes. He was big on the math today.
So it was a closer game than we're probably making out to seem. But I still think that Sam Darnold, he's a big reason why this Vikings team is where they're at.

Speaker 4 They have probably the best weapons of any team in the NFC. But also, he's done a great job.

Speaker 4 And there's something about a quarterback that has to go through such absolutely shitty situations where when they finally get to a place that's steady, they just love it so much more.

Speaker 4 And so he's Sam Darnold's seen some shit in his career. He's seen some real shit with Adam Gase, then with the Panthers, and then he kind of got nursed back a little bit.
Foster home.

Speaker 4 He got Foster home by Kyle Shanahan. Now maybe his guy's forever home.

Speaker 1 I'm sure we'll have one game where old Sam Darnold will come back, but I do believe in Sam Darnold going forward. Yeah.
I do. I do.
I mean, they're playing great ball. Their defense is great.

Speaker 1 They blitzed to great effect against Jordan Love today.

Speaker 1 As are the Packers. Yeah, I think you rushed Jordan Love back.
You should have done that.

Speaker 4 You might have. Also, the Packers were down two great corners.
They were.

Speaker 4 They were.

Speaker 1 And Jair Alexander, he likes playing against Justin Jefferson. I feel like Justin Jefferson, well, Justin Jefferson beats everyone.
Yeah. So that's not really

Speaker 1 a shot at Jair Alexander. But that was a big piece of the Packers playing really good defense in the first three weeks of the season under Jeff Haffley.

Speaker 1 But Jordan Love,

Speaker 1 I hope he didn't find his groove. I think he found his groove.

Speaker 1 I think that fourth quarter, he found his groove.

Speaker 1 That makes me scared.

Speaker 4 He looked better for sure in the second half. Yeah.
If the season did end today, I would say Kevin O'Connell probably coach of the year.

Speaker 4 Kevin O'Connor. Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 1 O'Connell. O'Connell.
You nailed it the first time. Kevin O'Connell, coach of the year.
Probably,

Speaker 1 yes. I'm trying to.

Speaker 4 I think going into today, you could have made it an argument for Matt LaFleur. Andy Reid, maybe.
Andy Reed still.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but that's the thing. Like, you can't be dominant and win coach of the year.

Speaker 1 Todd Bowles.

Speaker 5 And they just had the refs.

Speaker 4 Maybe Dan Quinn.

Speaker 1 It's a little.

Speaker 1 He's trapping us again. He's trapping us again.
If the season ended today, would the Commanders be in the playoffs?

Speaker 4 Yeah, they'd actually win the division. There you go.
Isn't that interesting? That is interesting.

Speaker 1 Good fact. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game. Do we have anything else on this game? Oh,

Speaker 1 one one thing I got right about this game was an off-season thought. Aaron Jones is really good, and I don't know why that triangle happened.

Speaker 4 Yeah, very strange. I mean, Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 1 I said it in the time. I was like, I understand Josh Jacobs is good, but Aaron Jones is a really good running back, and he proved it today.
He had like 139 yards total, and yeah, he's good.

Speaker 4 It was sad he didn't get to do the Lambo leap because he was going to try to do it if he scored. I think he might have done it after the game, but that's a different Lambo leap.

Speaker 1 How much is Aaron Jones getting paid? He's getting paid one year,

Speaker 1 seven million, and how much is Josh Jacobs being paid? Let's find that out.

Speaker 4 He only gets seven million a year. Yeah, that's what I just saw.
Running backs, man.

Speaker 1 Josh Jacob is getting paid 14 and a half. No, you four-year, $48 million, so $12 million a year.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Aaron Jones for seven? Yeah, would you rather have, I guess they didn't want to give him the long-term deal?

Speaker 4 Josh Jacobs are like one and

Speaker 4 four-fifths

Speaker 4 Aaron Jones's.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tough call. That's why we're not.

Speaker 1 Aaron Jones is 29 years old, so that does complicate things. Like, you can't, yeah.
I think that was part of it is Josh Jacobs is 26.

Speaker 1 You can give him a four-year deal that you could probably cut him after two years. Aaron Jones, he probably wanted more years, and that's hard for a 29-year-old running back.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I still think. I mean, Aaron Jones was good last year.
He's been good in Green Bay his entire career. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, next up. Falcons 26, Saints 24.

Speaker 1 This is a game the Saints are really, really going to be kicking themselves if they're sitting outside the playoffs at the end of the year because they held the Falcons to zero offensive touchdowns and still lost 26-24.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's half to do.

Speaker 4 The last time that a team lost a game when they scored 24 points or more and gave up zero offensive touchdowns. Any guesses?

Speaker 1 Never. No,

Speaker 4 it's happened before, but the last team that did it was in 1983. You have to go all the way back to 1983, and it was the Saints.
Oh. It was also the Saints.
The Ains. And

Speaker 4 we've got a new big stats are for losers guy. Okay.
Raheem Morris dropped the stats are for losers on the press after the game.

Speaker 4 They asked him how come Kyle Pitts didn't get involved at all, which he didn't. I don't think he had a single reception.
I don't think he had a single yard.

Speaker 4 And he said, you know, in my opinion, stats, they're for losers.

Speaker 1 I honestly think, well, I love that, by the way.

Speaker 1 We always need more stats are for losers coaches out there. I think that you could convince me that

Speaker 1 somehow Arthur Smith's game plan was left in Raheem Morris's office this morning.

Speaker 1 And there was just an old game plan from last year that he picked up because Bijan only had two rushes in the second half. And Tyler Algier had more, had eight.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Tyler,

Speaker 4 they said he was a hot hand with Rock, so they kept going to him.

Speaker 1 It was seriously like last year's Falcons. I was like, what is happening right now?

Speaker 1 I was starting to buy, and the Falcons won this game, but I was starting to buy into the Falcons are fun. This is different than last year.
Like, this is going to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 It's not going to be a bummer. Kirk Cousins is a significant step up from Desmond Ritter.
But yeah, I was like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 Their offense just didn't look good today, but special teams and a pick six did it for him.

Speaker 4 I can guarantee you.

Speaker 1 And Young Hoku.

Speaker 4 If Desmond Ritter played this game, they would have lost. Yeah, I'd agree.
He probably would have screwed it up more than Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 Wait, I don't even... Is he on a team?

Speaker 4 Was he on... Is he on the Cardinals?

Speaker 1 I think he was, but then I don't think he made the roster. Did he get cut? I think he was...
That's never a good thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, he's. Yeah, he's on the Cardinals.
All I want to know

Speaker 4 from the Falcons, where was this performance, where's this defense during Arthur Blank commemorative cup night?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Seriously.
Well, it was there. The Chiefs just stole it from him.

Speaker 4 You can't show up for your owner on commemorative cup night?

Speaker 1 This is a ball bounces game for me where, like, the, or ball don't lie, the Chiefs game, the Falcons probably played to a level they should have won.

Speaker 1 This game, the Saints probably played to a level they should have won, but the the Falcons won it. So it kind of evened out.
But now, who would you say, so Bucks are obviously won. Yep.

Speaker 1 And they just played, but going forward, do you believe in the Falcons more than the Saints?

Speaker 1 I tend to think that.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't know.
I think they're very, very even.

Speaker 4 So when this game is played in New Orleans later on this year, I think the Saints, right now, the entire series between these two teams, it's now 56, 55 for the Falcons. Perfect.
So life finds a way.

Speaker 4 I feel like the Saints will win the next one. But they're very, I don't want to say they're similar teams, but I think they're equally sneaky, lucky, good.

Speaker 1 Let me throw this out there for you.

Speaker 1 Saints hot start, looked awesome. Have to compliment the 2-0 the way they did it.

Speaker 1 Bryce Young Panthers may be one of the worst teams of all time.

Speaker 1 Bryce Young Panthers. Different teams.
Not Andy Dalton Panthers.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys might not be that good.

Speaker 4 The Cowboys might stink.

Speaker 1 So, 2-0, can't apologize for 2-0.

Speaker 4 It was an impressive 2-0.

Speaker 1 But they just found a way in both these games,

Speaker 1 the last week with the Eagles and this week with the Falcons, where their defense played well and they just couldn't find a way to win. I think after that.

Speaker 1 So the offense that we were saying, like, holy shit, has changed everything. It's like, where is that?

Speaker 4 After week two, we were crowning their asses. Oh, you have to.
Yeah, it was a good 2-0, the most dangerous league hockey, though. Listen, maybe the NFL.

Speaker 1 If we were ever going to rename this podcast, it would just be the Knee Jerk podcast because whatever happened two hours ago is the thing that I think is going to keep happening for the rest of time, and then I'm shocked when something different happens.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's that's a fact. So Kirk had the quote of the day, I think, after the game was over.
They talked about the rivalry.

Speaker 4 It was his first experience in a Saints Falcons game, which I saw like four or five videos of fights in the stands. Yeah.
These were different fights. Yeah.
There was head stomping going on. Yeah.

Speaker 4 There was like some brutal shit. That might have been Falcon on Falcon Crime.

Speaker 1 Well, you also have to remember that now that Arthur Blank's name is up in the rafters, you have to put on for your owner.

Speaker 1 He's watching.

Speaker 4 You have to defend that house. God is watching.

Speaker 1 Arthur Blank is watching you fight and try to bash someone's brain in in the 300 level of the Mercedes-Benz dome.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so they asked Kirk Cousins about the rivalry afterwards, and they said, did you hear them when they were playing swag surfing? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And Kirk said, yeah, they're playing that song about the swag, the surf.

Speaker 4 I was like, this is pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 It's exactly what I expected.

Speaker 4 Yeah, perfect. Perfect answer from Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 There should be a travel show where Kirk Cousins just gets to experience Atlanta culture and just watching him do it. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I would watch that every day of the week.

Speaker 4 In a Magic City.

Speaker 1 Who do the Saints have next week?

Speaker 1 Let's find out. Let's play Whose Line Is Anyway.
Can you give it to me, Hank? Can you give it to me? Do you got it? Who do they got? Hank, you should just be

Speaker 1 on constant.

Speaker 1 Whose line is it anyway, duty? The Chiefs. Oh,

Speaker 1 where?

Speaker 1 Oh, wait. No, they might have a bye.
Oh. They're next year

Speaker 1 against the the Chiefs at Kansas City. I forgot we have buys.

Speaker 1 Monday, October 7th, bro. Yeah, Monday, October 7th, bro.
I'm broke.

Speaker 1 Bad map. At the Chiefs?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Saints had Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Chiefs minus

Speaker 1 five.

Speaker 4 I'm going to say Chiefs.

Speaker 4 Six and a half.

Speaker 5 Final answer.

Speaker 1 Four and a half.

Speaker 5 The Chiefs minus five and a half.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 4 I am actually surprised. When I said six and a half, I thought to myself, that's too high, you dummy.

Speaker 4 But I would think that it would be lower than that, given the injuries for the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 That's why I went five to four and a half. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 The model.

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Speaker 4 Knowing these two franchises, I'm just going to take Chiefs' money line. Just let the Chips fall where they may.
It feels like Saints might cover, but Chiefs' Moneyline. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I can't.

Speaker 1 I don't think I can picture the New Orleans Saints playing in Kansas City.

Speaker 4 Has that ever happened in the history of the NFL?

Speaker 1 There's so many matchups that you obviously know, but this one is one where it's like, wait, this doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like, have the Jaguars ever played the Giants?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 In London.

Speaker 4 Maybe, yeah. In London, for sure.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Saints at the Chiefs, I'm trying to think. There's a game.
Can you find it? 2016 was the last time. Whoa! Okay, well, I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 4 That's probably as long ago as it's possible, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I shouldn't have acted with surprise. That's exactly how schedules go in the NFL.
Every eight years you play at the other team stage. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next game. What do you have, Hank? You had something for us?

Speaker 5 No, you're right. The eight years.

Speaker 1 Wait, 2016.

Speaker 5 They also won in 2000.

Speaker 1 Who are the quarterbacks? Was it Alex Smith and Drew Brees? Yeah. Yeah, that was easy.
Drew Brees.

Speaker 4 Dumb dumb. Alex Smith.

Speaker 1 That was a dumb-dumb thing to say.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next up, Bears 24. Rams 18.
Bears might be back.

Speaker 4 Congratulations. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Felt good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm going to agree with you, big cat. The Bears' offensive line is bad.
Yeah. It's bad.
Really bad. So, Jade or Caleb,

Speaker 4 when he's dropping back to pass, he is having to make a decision within like half a second. It's

Speaker 4 going to have to run backwards, get rid of the ball earlier, or maybe, just maybe, they're going to hold up for enough time for him to hit somebody in a slant.

Speaker 1 It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 He had a clean game, no interceptions, had some really nice, the throw to DJ Moore was awesome. The throw to Cole Komet over the middle was awesome.
He's 69% completion percentage the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 Moving forward, 93-7 rating.

Speaker 1 My big thing is

Speaker 1 apparently during the week, Players had a basically intervention with Shane Waldron and said you have to be more aggressive. Good.
Caleb Williams, Mercedes-Lewis, I think Cole Komet was there.

Speaker 1 Be more aggressive.

Speaker 5 It is sweet. You got with their coach?

Speaker 1 Their offensive coordinator, yes. Yeah, it's good times.
Hey, listen.

Speaker 4 You have negatively affected my career in the following ways.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing, Hank. Put it into perspective, okay? This is all about perspective.
Our offensive coordinator hasn't had to

Speaker 1 leave the team and be fired/slash resigned from the team. And then there's reports that the FBI is staking out his house, which happened last year with our defensive coordinator around this time.

Speaker 1 So these are baby steps.

Speaker 4 He's still here. Because I was about to say that.
That's kind of a bad thing, though.

Speaker 1 No, it's a good thing.

Speaker 5 You want him.

Speaker 1 I do want him gone, but I don't want. I'd rather our coordinators not have to resign and be suspected of crimes.

Speaker 4 Big Cat doesn't want to have guys in wood breakers who could be getting into help.

Speaker 5 If he's coming out on a crime, you would probably take it.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 I assume that depends on what kind of crime.

Speaker 1 Yes. Also, yes.

Speaker 1 He put me under the gun there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That wasn't fair. But yeah.

Speaker 4 Because I was about to say, I'm glad they had the intervention because I think that Caleb might be reaching the point where he needs to just take bad play calls and be like, fuck this guy.

Speaker 4 I'm not running this play.

Speaker 1 He did that a couple times today.

Speaker 4 As a rookie, it's hard to reach that place, especially. He wants to be like a good quarterback.

Speaker 4 He wants to be somebody that's easy to work with, so he probably doesn't want to fuck with anybody right off the bat.

Speaker 4 But it was so bad at the start of the season that he, at some point, needs to say, like, we're not going to do what this guy says.

Speaker 1 They actually do give him like

Speaker 1 a lot of autonomy at the line, and he's calling stuff and getting out of stuff.

Speaker 1 The other thing is, the Bears actually could run the ball today.

Speaker 1 DeAndre Swift turns out to make DeAndre Swift good again, we just had to have an entire week of the entire internet saying the guy fucking sucks.

Speaker 4 Yeah, bullying works.

Speaker 4 He got Reggie Bush's Heisman back, and now DeAndre Swift is running to open daylight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he had more yards

Speaker 1 today than he had weeks one through three combined, and he had a nice touchdown run. Also, Shane Waldron realized that, hey,

Speaker 1 this is where I say baby steps. He's learning from his mistakes.

Speaker 1 Last week, when we had the abomination of goal line, where we did a pitch play to the short side on fourth down, and we ran everything out of shotgun and Wildcat.

Speaker 1 This week, we actually ran from under center with our backup center running as fullback and Roshan Johnson, who's a big back, running at running back, and it worked.

Speaker 4 That was an awesome block, by the way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That Doug Kramer took him out is he from chicago uh i think he might be from the chicago area yeah i mean he he he was like i basically he doesn't get in unless there's kneel downs he's like i fucking just want to help the team yeah he looks like a long lost yeah he's from hinsdale he looks like a long-lost o'doyle twin yeah just a big dude with a big round face coming at you downhill and i think the key to deandre swift is uh don't make him change direction in the backfield on a cut if he can be hitting a hole going like straight in a perfectly straight line through a hole then he'll just outrun and take better angles than everybody in the secondary.

Speaker 4 Yes. But don't ask him to like juke out a defensive lineman.
Right.

Speaker 1 He can't do that.

Speaker 1 Also, the Bears have back-to-back touchdown drives today.

Speaker 1 Progress. These are good.
I mean, now the Rams are very, very injured, and I kind of expected the Bears to win this game just because

Speaker 1 you had the kitchen sink game last week, and I gave that stat on Friday. Teams that come back and win a game down 14 in like the second half, they're just terrible against the spread.

Speaker 1 So the defense stepped up and stopped Stafford with strips, a fumble, a pick at the end.

Speaker 1 I was just happy. It was fun watching the Bears win at home.
And we haven't even gotten to the real MVP of this game, Tori Taylor, who is a fucking weapon.

Speaker 4 That one punt, I think I clocked it at 85 yards in the air.

Speaker 1 He won this game for the Bears in the end because at the end of the game,

Speaker 1 when you have to, you know, we're up less than a touchdown and you're trying to get your you know you can't get first downs can't run the ball don't have a good offensive line you need to keep giving them long fields and hoping that your defense will stand up he had five punts uh three of them inside the 20 and then he had the one in the fourth quarter a 66 yard punt to the eight yard line you can't go wrong getting a punter from Iowa or a tight end from Iowa yep it's two things they do well there yeah but that he is an absolute weapon.

Speaker 1 Like I'm I don't want to punt, but I'm excited to see how far he can punt every time he punts.

Speaker 4 And that punt that checked up was the thing of Beauty 2. Yeah.
The backspin on it. Put the English on it.

Speaker 4 He's a weapon. It was nice to watch.

Speaker 1 How do you like that, Hank? You got a punter now.

Speaker 1 No, I'll wait.

Speaker 5 I want you to finish.

Speaker 4 Okay. I was just going to say, Memes said something shocking to me today.
He said, it's so funny how Sean McVay can only coach well against Kyle Shanahan. Yeah.
And I was like, wait, wait a second.

Speaker 4 It's the opposite. It's the opposite.
And also, Sean McVay is a really good coach. Yeah.
Against

Speaker 4 the other people that aren't Kyle Shanahan. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Memes? He won a Super Bowl memes. He's been to two.
I know, but this season. Oh, so if the Rams' only two wins were against the 49ers this season, it would be very funny.
But they've okay.

Speaker 1 So you should have said small sample size PFT, but it is funny that Sean McVay can only coach against Kyle Shanahan this season.

Speaker 4 He didn't have any more plays. He used all his plays last week.

Speaker 1 He used everything.

Speaker 4 The man was playlist.

Speaker 1 He had no kitchen, he had everything but the kitchen sink. Yeah.
Or no. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He could restock.

Speaker 5 He took the sink out of the socket and threw it out of him. He could restock.

Speaker 4 Sinks go in sockets, yeah. The only thing he had

Speaker 4 sinks are sockets. Plug in a sink?

Speaker 1 The six

Speaker 1 are socket-based. I said that on Thursday.

Speaker 5 I got a lot of people like, full kid. Sinks don't go in sockets.

Speaker 4 Oh, the bumpers out there came after you? Yeah, no, he still had the kitchen sink.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. Yeah, but he had nothing else.

Speaker 4 The kitchen sink can't score touchdowns. Right.

Speaker 1 You just wash your hands. Or pissing it.
Hank,

Speaker 1 I finished.

Speaker 5 After the game, the Bears tweeted out, which I agree with, as someone who is an advocate for the double fist pump celebration. Oh, yeah.
Did you see this?

Speaker 5 There was a clip of Caleb Williams walking off the field. He was doing the double fist pump.

Speaker 5 And I tweeted it and I've caught into non-parcel AWL Twitter because people are like, the guy can't even celebrate. You're coming at him.

Speaker 5 But then a lot of people trashing him, saying this is like a yippie kai ass celebration.

Speaker 4 Yippie kai.

Speaker 5 Your thoughts. As someone who roasted someone for the double fist pump, Selly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for some reason it was cool when he did it. I don't know.
Well, it feels different when he did it versus when you did.

Speaker 4 I see a commonality between the two. But winners.
Yeah, winners. Winners.
We wouldn't know about that because we haven't won anything. But yeah, Hank's all over that.

Speaker 1 No, it looked awkward. You can't do the double fist pump and not look awkward.
It's impossible.

Speaker 4 It's kind of like a six-year-old. Yeah.
A six-year-old, hey,

Speaker 4 guess what sport? We're going for ice cream.

Speaker 1 People who are watching the podcast right now.

Speaker 5 It's raw emotion. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 You can control your brain. But that's raw emotion usually looks bad.

Speaker 1 Like when you do something that's very athletic, usually when a cool guy does it, when you do something that's very like animalistic, it's usually not a good thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the thing about it is it's the jumping into the double fist pump that looks awkward. The double fist pump, that's a cool move.
Anybody can do that.

Speaker 4 But when you take a leap into it, and then in mid-air, you start doing the fist pump, it looks a little weird.

Speaker 1 It needs to be, it needs to basically stay

Speaker 1 like you're using shake weights, yeah, where it's like a

Speaker 1 almost a flex in a double fist pump. But when you when you go like that,

Speaker 5 yeah, and PFT is right with like jumping and extending at the same time, which is what you did as well.

Speaker 4 Maybe if you thought about when next time you try to do that.

Speaker 1 I just think about jumping and doing all the double fists. I was getting like that might work.
Hey, I got a question.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 Question of the week.

Speaker 1 Question of the week. Actually, you know what? Roback question.

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Speaker 1 Why don't you talk about dunking anymore? Oh, good question. I'm training.

Speaker 5 I'm training.

Speaker 1 But why haven't you brought up dunking? Because you were very much gung-ho. I'm going to dunk.
And I haven't heard you have any sort of confidence in like three months. Did you think we'd forget?

Speaker 5 I have not forgotten. I have trained.

Speaker 1 Max, please, roll back question. I have a bad question as well.
Yeah. Go ahead and ask.

Speaker 5 Rollback question.

Speaker 1 At what point do we start to think about shooting? Oh, because what was the thing you had to do?

Speaker 5 I'm still thinking about dunking.

Speaker 5 I've trained four days a week for the last five weeks.

Speaker 4 I forget.

Speaker 1 It was like 25

Speaker 1 threes in a row.

Speaker 4 And he's had really bad takes about shooting recently, Max. Yeah, true.

Speaker 5 I did

Speaker 5 an evaluation at my gym at the end of August, and it was...

Speaker 5 Not as much progress as I had hoped. So I said, I'm going to keep my head down.
I've trained hard for the last five weeks. I haven't checked since, but I'm still

Speaker 1 going gung-ho.

Speaker 5 I'm still playing to dunk. I'm still training as if I'm going to dunk.
I have not stopped just because I haven't talked about it. I have not stopped.
I still think I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 PFT Robot Question Extension.

Speaker 4 Yeah, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Hank, PFT commenter, part of my take podcast.

Speaker 4 You had alluded to this being the time of year where if you weren't making the progress that you wanted to, you would turn to the dark needle of steroids.

Speaker 4 Have you begun doing that, or is it something that's in your imminent future?

Speaker 5 So, again, like I haven't talked about it because I don't.

Speaker 4 Talk about steroids.

Speaker 5 I don't want to get ahead of myself. I mentally had a bad evaluation at the end of August.
I've gone hard for the last five weeks. I'll probably check again at the beginning of October.

Speaker 5 And then, depending where I'm at, is when. So the steroid decision is coming in the next two weeks.

Speaker 4 Okay, just looking at the calendar. Big cat, this might pertain to your question as well.
It's September 30th on Monday. 30 days have September.
It is, in fact, October this week.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 4 So we're moving that timetable up. What are you talking? I just said I.
You said a couple weeks.

Speaker 1 In the next couple of weeks. Big cat.
Robot question. Robot question.
R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Henry, when you say the words, I had a bad evaluation, how far away are you from dunking?

Speaker 5 Six inches.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 it's a big six inch.

Speaker 1 Six inches? Six inches from dunking or six inches from the rim? Six inches from dunking.

Speaker 5 You think I'm six? Bro, I'm six inches from the rim, like standing up.

Speaker 1 Six inches from the ring. Bro,

Speaker 1 he's a beast. Six inches.
So six inches in

Speaker 1 three months? Yeah. Oh, hopefully,

Speaker 1 hopefully, I've gotten two. Boy, we got to get on the staircase.
Hopefully, I've gotten two. It's got to be six inches.

Speaker 5 That was at the end of August.

Speaker 1 Can you touch the rim?

Speaker 4 Yes. Yes, you can.
You can. I've seen it.
I've witnessed it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, can you even fucking jump, dude? Yeah, Max. Oh, yeah.
Let's go. Help me.
Hank, raise your hand. Yeah, raise your hand.
Max, is that a triple XL or a quad XL? Oh, you're fucking swimming in it.

Speaker 1 If it's a triple or quad, make sure it's Roback.com. This is a two.
It's mean, Hank. This is a two.

Speaker 5 I mean, did you see the shirt he's wearing today?

Speaker 1 It's an Oxford. Stand up, Max.
I want to see it.

Speaker 4 Hank, don't

Speaker 1 fitting shirt.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's not bad. It is a big shirt.
It's like a Moo Moo.

Speaker 4 Hank, don't talk about what you think the last thing that he dunked was.

Speaker 1 It's a 2X. You want to see it? You want to come and look at it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you want to see the tag? I believe you. All right, so are you going to start shooting?

Speaker 5 No, not yet. Okay.
I'm going to dunk. I'm going to dunk.
I've never trained harder for anything in my life.

Speaker 1 Golf?

Speaker 1 I was going to say, like, I trained harder for rough rounds for a month. I was like, you know, I was like, SATs or, like, cheating on the battle.
And then I realized no. You cheating on my SATs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How'd you cheat?

Speaker 5 I was in my homeroom. I knew the person I was moderating at the teacher, so I knew he wasn't going to bust me.

Speaker 5 I couldn't focus after the first

Speaker 5 hour, two hours. It was so fucking long.
And

Speaker 5 I knew the girl that was diagonally in front of me. She was way smarter than me.

Speaker 5 I had enough time and I wasn't worried about getting caught and in trouble because I knew the guy at worst would just be like, hey, you know,

Speaker 5 put your head back down. So I was able to just read her whole test and I made the decision.
I was like, I'm pretty sure we have the same test.

Speaker 5 I'm just going to copy all our answers for the Scantron, like multiple test part.

Speaker 5 And if I'm wrong, I'll do the SATs again because everyone else usually does them multiple times. Got like a, I think 1,500 was average at the time.

Speaker 5 I got a 1,450, was perfectly good with that, never did them again.

Speaker 1 Wasn't there a writing part?

Speaker 5 Yeah, but for the multiple choice, like I just got, I couldn't, I couldn't do it anymore. And I was just like, was able to read all of her questions.
I was like, I'm pretty fucking sure we had to.

Speaker 1 Think smarter, not harder. Yeah.

Speaker 4 When did they change the?

Speaker 5 Just kidding, mom.

Speaker 4 Because I feel like, oh, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 It was just a prank.

Speaker 1 And so was the steroids. That was a prank, too.
Yep.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 1 This is actually the Roback Prank section of the show.

Speaker 1 All right. Just got Gronked.
That was our Bears. There's going to be people who are going to see the time stamps and be like, fucking talked about the Bears for so long.

Speaker 1 Actually, half of it was just steroids and Hank.

Speaker 4 It's a good win, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a good win. Feels good.
Feels good. And we have some schedule,

Speaker 1 not sketch. I'm not going to say schedule wins.
It's hard to win in this league, but the Bears have some games coming up that they should potentially win.

Speaker 1 Most notably, Panthers, Jaguars, no longer commanders, and then Cardinals, Patriots. So four out of the next five

Speaker 1 should be able to.

Speaker 1 This should be a 3-2,

Speaker 1 and one type stretch hopefully i think that's realistic yeah uh okay

Speaker 4 colts 27 steelers 24 joe flacco flacco's back baby flacco's back big time um

Speaker 1 before we get to flacco who was good big third down throws like joe joe flacco just a third down like third and 10 give me joe flacco um

Speaker 1 is shane steichen trying to get anthony richardson hurt so what happened was he got he got injured the play before he got injured he got injured with a hip oblique, came out for a couple snaps, came back in, and Shane Steichen was like sick.

Speaker 4 QB run. Yeah, for a guy that gets a lot of credit being a great play caller, that seemed like it was like a little bit intentional.
He came back in for a QB run, took a shot to the head.

Speaker 4 Was it a concussion that put him out?

Speaker 1 No, I think it was a hip oblique. Oh, the concussion after.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. The second hit that he got.

Speaker 1 I don't know, but I think there might have been a conspiracy to have Joe Flacco in,

Speaker 1 which I'm for because Joe Flacco should be playing in the NFL. Joe Flacco said after the game, very funny, he said, they asked if

Speaker 1 he thinks that Anthony Richardson thinks he's cool. He said, I'm eight days older than his mom, so there's no way he thinks I'm cool.
Yeah. A little perspective for you.

Speaker 4 I like that. Joe Flacco, in my opinion, he is cool.
Joe Flacco is the coolest. He looked good.
He still has that arm. And if you're a Browns fan, what the fuck are you...

Speaker 4 The Cleveland Browns have run, like, Joe Flacco going out there and winning this game, Baker Mayfield being dominant at the exact same time.

Speaker 4 If you're a Browns fan, you were watching this early slate and you're like, what the fuck? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Why did we keep doing that?

Speaker 1 Why did we, and you have Jameis.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you got Jameis. You have Jameis.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Joe Flacco, like outside. Obviously, the RPOs are big for, and Anthony Richardson's legs are a big part of his game.
But in terms of the deep bombs, same thing. Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 Flacco uncorked one today. It almost hit the roof.
Yeah. I think it might have touched the roof.
It was, granted, it was underthrown by like three yards, which was kind of the Joe Flacco special.

Speaker 4 He had these deep underthrows where you draw pass interference. But this one that he threw, it came down with a teardrop of God on it.
It went so high up in the air and just arced down.

Speaker 4 It's a beautiful thing. He's aged like a wine.
Yeah. It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 And it was tough for Anthony Richardson because he actually came out and his first drive was really good. Like, I think he went right down the field on the Steelers and then got hurt.

Speaker 1 But I, yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't know. The Steelers defense I talked about on Friday, that

Speaker 1 I feel like we've maybe crowned them a little bit too early. They're very good,

Speaker 1 but they also played some not great quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 And now they have to play Joe Flacco. He won a Super Bowl.
He's elite.

Speaker 4 He knows the Steelers.

Speaker 1 He knows the Steelers. So, in a weird twist of fate, Justin Fields, who I think has played well in the first three weeks, maybe not incredible, but the defense carried him.

Speaker 1 This week, the defense faltered and Justin Fields had his best game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there were some times when he did not look that good. He was like really, really, it was patchy for him.

Speaker 4 There were some times when he, like around the goal line, when he can just run and knock one dude over on his way into a touchdown, he's still very good at that, and he still can make more throws, I think, than the Steelers have seen recently.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he had 312 yards.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but there were some stretches of the game

Speaker 4 where it looked a little bit dicey for him. He was like double clutching a lot, big wind up, taking too much time in the pocket.
But overall, he was not the problem today.

Speaker 4 I think the Steelers' defense,

Speaker 4 I want to be careful with how I say this because we like TJ Watt, and he's a dominant player, one of the best defensive players in the NFL.

Speaker 4 He loves to just go immediately to where he thinks the quarterback's going to be on a five-step drop. Yeah.
Like, he leaves a pretty big gap there sometimes that you can just exploit and run.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. JJ is going to.

Speaker 4 I said this to Jersey Jerry. I said, no, no, no, J.J.

Speaker 1 Watt.

Speaker 4 Oh, J.J. Watt.

Speaker 1 Say you don't know ball. Two JJ's.
You're going to say, yeah. You're going to get double JJ.

Speaker 4 I can take on JJ Watt. Maybe not not Jersey Jerry if he's pissed off but

Speaker 4 TJ he leaves a big gap there so yeah I think he bought a gun

Speaker 4 JJ Watt no Jersey Jerry he did yeah he's got a red dot put a red dot on it he's got the red dot going

Speaker 4 yeah also so one of the one of the weirdest things to just walk in and him just being like yeah I got a gun yeah okay he was like if I just if I just showed it to to Jack on a stream, you think I'd get suspended?

Speaker 1 And I was like, yeah, maybe. I'd rather not have a handgun on the stream.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But he's got a permit, so it's all good.

Speaker 4 Also, George Pickens had one of the dumbest fumbles I've ever seen. He just kind of twisted around and he kept the ball outstretched for no reason.
It got knocked out. Easy fumble.

Speaker 4 He also extended the ball at one point on like the 25-yard line as he was being tackled. He'd already gotten a first down by a significant margin, by like...
five, ten yards.

Speaker 4 And he extended the ball to get like an extra yard in the open field as he was being tackled. With Pickens, he also had a bad drop.

Speaker 4 But it's it's reached the point where I would not be shocked if, at some point in his career, George Pickens made like a one-handed leaping grab, got turned around midair, sprinted the wrong way, scored a safety, and then got a taunting penalty celebrating before he realized it wasn't a touchdown.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't put it past.

Speaker 4 He just does crazy shit every week. He's fun to watch, and he's just, he's an insane talent at wide receiver, but this guy is nuts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, do we think the Colts are going to roll with Joe Flacco for a while?

Speaker 1 They might be.

Speaker 4 Listen, Joe will, I said he's like a nice wine, not in that he's aging,

Speaker 4 but even if you don't like whites, you have to admit he's cool and he's refreshing.

Speaker 1 Yes, he's very refreshing. I would like to have Joe Flacco play a little bit, maybe get the Colts to the play.

Speaker 1 What if Joe Flacco just, like the last half of his, or last three years of his career, he just goes to random organizations and takes them to the playoffs? That would rock.

Speaker 4 Are we going to have a Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco matchup at some point this season?

Speaker 1 Let me look. I do not think so.
That would have been awesome. That would have been so good.
That would have been... That basically, like, just, we're just going in a time machine.

Speaker 4 Yeah, at that point, that's an excuse for us to be like, see, we're not old. Yeah.
Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton still going at it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Throwback. Yeah.
Just watching 2012.

Speaker 4 Russ.

Speaker 4 Russ was dressed out again.

Speaker 1 And he was not active.

Speaker 4 Wearing iBlack.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 He wore the iBlack on the sidelines today.

Speaker 1 Russ is just... That was the only thing I was happy for for Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 They lost the game, but it was not his fault. So they didn't have to, you know, like the Russ stuff doesn't start happening.
Because

Speaker 1 Justin Fields better than Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 He is. I think so.

Speaker 1 Maybe Russell Wilson, you could make the argument, better

Speaker 1 pocket passer at this point. But even still, we saw it in Denver.
It wasn't. You can't throw it over the middle of the field.
I think Russ just... Add Fields can't all the time either.

Speaker 4 So Russ...

Speaker 1 I'm making the case. I'm making the opposite case.

Speaker 4 He might get a chance to start at some point in the not-so-distant future, just as a a spark, because I feel like the Steelers, they win games on defense. They win games by not turning the ball over.

Speaker 4 And if you have a real bad offense performance, you might just want to see what the offense looks like with a different person there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I don't think you could get a more different person than Russell Wilson compared to Justin Fields. So I think there's a chance he gets out there.

Speaker 4 And if he doesn't, he might end up being like just the best investment of all time for the Steelers, where you sign him for a million dollars and then you can trade him to a team for like a fourth-round pick.

Speaker 1 Remember, he took a discount.

Speaker 4 He took a discount, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, even though he's getting paid a ton of money from the Broncos, and that was the best deal that was given to him.

Speaker 4 Selfless guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, team first. Team first guy.

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Speaker 1 Bengals, 34. Panthers, 24.
Are the Bengals back or did they play the Panthers?

Speaker 4 I think the Bengals might be back.

Speaker 1 I don't think the Bengals are back.

Speaker 4 I think they might be. But it's the Andy Dalton Panthers.

Speaker 1 Yes, but the Bengals' defense is not good. good.
Very suspect. I think Trey Henderson got hurt.

Speaker 4 He got a stinger.

Speaker 1 And Cam Taylor Britt gave up another touchdown where he looked like he was diving as Deontay Johnson scored a touchdown. Nice to see Deontay Johnson, like, he just needed Andy Dalton in his life.

Speaker 4 He's doing some work, yeah.

Speaker 1 The Bengals' offense is elite. The Bengals' defense is a problem.

Speaker 4 I have to think Lou Emarumo is going to figure it out.

Speaker 1 Does he have the guys?

Speaker 1 Sometimes they say it's not Jimmies and Joe's.

Speaker 4 It's not X's and no, it's not X's and O's.

Speaker 1 No, it's Jimmies and Joes. They They don't have the Jimmies and Joe's right now.

Speaker 4 They're missing a lot of guys.

Speaker 1 They're missing a lot of Jimmies and Joes.

Speaker 1 That Jamar Chase touchdown was so fucking awesome.

Speaker 4 They can't touch him. He threw the ball to his dad in the stands afterwards.
I like that. You saw Brock Purdy saying hi, mom, afterwards.
More players need to be like, hi, dad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Agreed.
What were you going to say, Max? I have a question. Yeah.
Do you want the Bengals to be good because you think you want to justify the win?

Speaker 4 No, I want the Bengals to be good because I like Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 Max might be wrong to something.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to ask that question. That's all.
No, their defense is a problem. It's not, I mean, the Panthers had 375 yards.
They were 50% on third downs.

Speaker 1 I guess

Speaker 1 what you could say for the Bengals being back is they

Speaker 1 the first week, the concern was the Joe Burrows injury, that weird video of him grabbing the water bottle. You're like, he might still be injured.
T.

Speaker 1 Higgins sitting out, Jamar Chase sitting out, all that stuff. That was a concern.
That is not a concern at all. The Bengals could probably go toe-to-toe out-scoring shootouts with almost anyone.

Speaker 1 Their defense is not what the Bengals' defense has been in the past.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I just have to think that they'll get better at some point. You know,

Speaker 4 get some guys back.

Speaker 1 I don't...

Speaker 4 The Panthers were the best medicine right now for the Bengals. Yeah.
So at least now they believe that they can win. When they played against the Chiefs, they played good enough to win that game, too.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I think they'll be...
This is what we see all the time from the Bengals, though, is they start out slow. September's a bad month, and then they get hot.

Speaker 4 And I think that's what's going to happen again. Now, we should have known this game was over from the pregame because they broke the drum, the keep pounding drum.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 And this time it was... Serpur? No, no.
This time it was John Beeson. Oh.
Last year,

Speaker 4 I thought this story sounded kind of familiar. They did it last year, too.
Mike Tolbert beat the drum, broke it, and they lost that game.

Speaker 4 If you break the keep pounding drum, you can't keep, you have to stop pounding.

Speaker 1 You have to literally stop pounding. Yeah.
Yeah. So that was, we should have known right then.
Right then and there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but Andy Dalton, I love the Andy Dalton tour where it's just watching him go out there and look good for a little bit. Again, it makes us feel a little bit younger than we really are.
But

Speaker 4 this is the perfect Andy Dalton game if you're the Carolina Panthers because you lose, but you look competent while losing.

Speaker 1 Dave Canalis, you can tell like he's having, even in a loss, was having more fun being like, I have a quarterback that can actually do the things I need him to do.

Speaker 1 Which it's got to suck being Bryce Young. Bryce Young just should not even dress.

Speaker 4 He was dressed today. He's a backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 Sure, so he'd have to have been, right?

Speaker 4 I didn't see him at all today, yeah. Well, it's hard.
That's true. Behind everyone.

Speaker 1 One guy. Yeah.
Just a tiny little guy.

Speaker 1 That'd be funny if they got him like a little drawer.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just tuck him in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he doesn't have to watch the game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, put a straitjacket on him.

Speaker 1 He can just hang out.

Speaker 4 So bengals back you say back i i don't know if they're back yet but i predict that they will be back this was a it was a must win for the bengals i'm gonna wait till next week when they play the ravens to declare them back they can be

Speaker 1 okay i want to get ahead of they might not be back okay because one and four is tough what yeah i i see them crystal ball i see them one and four yeah so if they if they can beat the ravens i think they're officially back because it softens up a little from there but i i right now i'm not gonna i'm not ready they're half back

Speaker 1 they're the are the bengals back or did they play the panthers that's the question that's a fair fair stat form yeah yeah uh okay

Speaker 1 next up

Speaker 1 broncos 10 jets nine

Speaker 1 what a game what a game so before we get to memes uh i would like to say the broncos defense looks very good and i know there was weather but we have to put respect on the broncos patrick sartan who we did put respect on last week is like one of the best cornerbacks if not the best cornerback in the league.

Speaker 1 He had 60% of Garrett Wilson's snaps was against him, and Garrett Wilson had two catches for 22 yards. The Broncos defense played very well in this game.
Bo Nix,

Speaker 1 let's just say this, Bo Nix threw a touchdown pass. Everyone's on the board.
Let's go, Bo Nick. All the starters are on the board.
He also had a first half of 7 for 15 for minus 7 yards.

Speaker 4 That's very, very hard to do. Very, very hard.
He completed a pass that went past the line of scrimmage in the first half. Weather might have had something to do with it.

Speaker 4 I'd say, probably, more than likely, it was just Bonix being Bo Nix that had something to do with it. But they won.
Maybe Bonix is just a winner. Have we thought about that?

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to say that.

Speaker 4 Okay, stats are for losers, big cat. I haven't.
Maybe Bo Nix just goes out there and he wins fucking football games. I have a stat to back it up.

Speaker 1 Okay. Bo Nix is the first QB to win a game in which he averaged fewer than 2.5 yards per pass attempt, minimum 25 attempts.

Speaker 1 Bo Nix just made history. Bo Nix won a game in spite of bad quarterback play, which was done by Bo Nix.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's like Tim Thibaut. He's T.
Bo Nicks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 This is exactly what he used to do for the Broncos, too.

Speaker 1 Credit to Bo Nix. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Overcoming yourself sometimes can be the hardest opponent of all.

Speaker 1 Bo Nix did the impossible. He won a game with Bo Nix as a quarterback.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 that first half was.

Speaker 4 I don't know how anybody watched that game. If you're a Jets fan that made the trip to the Meadowlands, nobody had a worse day than you.
I don't think anyone had a worse Sunday than a poor Jets fan.

Speaker 4 Probably sat in traffic for an hour and a half, you would say, probably to get out to the Meadowlands. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Moore. Yeah, you were.
With the rain? You were in the rain, in the cold, in the wind. You watched nine points from your offense, and then you got rained on more.
Then you left.

Speaker 4 Then you had to get into another, probably an Uber that you thought it was going to be decent size. And it was like a 2007 Toyota Prius.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you and your three friends were stuck together in the back seat.

Speaker 4 Then you had to sit for another hour and a half in traffic as you were thinking about the loss, listening to post-game radio and make your way back to New York City.

Speaker 4 That is an all-time bad after. I would rather be in jail.
I would rather spend that time in jail. Yeah, the four hours?

Speaker 1 Provided that jail. Sorry, the 10 hours?

Speaker 4 Yeah, provided that jail had a television.

Speaker 1 With the quad box. Yeah.
And another television with another one.

Speaker 4 It's basically who had a worse day, a Jets fan or Diddy?

Speaker 4 Just a day. Just a worst day.

Speaker 1 They're trying to make, I saw a report. They're like, Diddy's in a jail.
It's like horrific. It's like, like, oh, yeah, dude, it's jail.

Speaker 4 It's jail. It's jail.

Speaker 1 Like, do you want us to feel bad? But it's jail.

Speaker 4 Better than the Meadowlands.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 this was a perfect commercial for football's the greatest game to watch on your couch. Yep.
It is built to watch on your couch.

Speaker 1 Going to games, the tailgater is fun when the weather's okay, but everything else, the couch is just perfect.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 1 Your thoughts. I guess you want questions first or you want thoughts? Why don't you go thoughts, then we'll question?

Speaker 4 I'll go thoughts.

Speaker 1 We had nine days to prepare

Speaker 4 for

Speaker 1 with a rookie quarterback, playing back-to-back away games, playing cross-country away games,

Speaker 1 and we laid an egg.

Speaker 1 Defense showed up. Robert Sella, after the game, made sure to say the defense showed up,

Speaker 1 saying the offense then. Meanwhile, you're the head coach, and you're in charge of everything.

Speaker 4 Now, memes, he is a defensive head coach, correct?

Speaker 1 Yes, but that doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 You're the head coach. I would say, would Aaron Rodgers be kind of in charge of the offense? I'm not even going to include Nathaniel Hackett here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, is Nathaniel Hackett a problem? It feels like he might be a problem.

Speaker 4 Nice guy.

Speaker 1 Really nice guy. Had a great time on

Speaker 1 pardon my take.

Speaker 1 He's a really, really nice guy. Loves Blake Bortles.
He's a way better guy than he is football coach. He's a, yeah, as not even coach as he is.

Speaker 4 Better human being. It's a blowout.

Speaker 1 Nathaniel Hackett Hackett is not smart.

Speaker 1 But, dude, he watches the

Speaker 1 goal member.

Speaker 1 There's certain times, like,

Speaker 1 there was one moment in the game, it was second and one, and then they just ran three pass plays in a row. Well, two pass plays, and then Aaron Rodgers gets hit.
In the wind and rain.

Speaker 1 In the wind and rain, Aaron Rodgers gets hurt. It's like, how haven't you learned your lesson?

Speaker 1 Just run the ball, put Braylon Allen in, get the extra yardage, get a field goal, get out of the game, grimy, win.

Speaker 1 Credit to the Broncos defense, though. They did a really good job of shutting down your running game.
Brees Hall, what do you have?

Speaker 1 Like 0.4

Speaker 1 yards per carry? Like, the Broncos' defense deserves credit. I'm putting some respect on the Broncos.

Speaker 1 They do, but when Brees Hall wasn't doing well, they should have put Braylon Allen in because he was doing well. And he's 19 years old.
He's fucking sick.

Speaker 1 Here's a question for you. Are we at the question part?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Hank, will you please get a question ready for me as well? Do you think there's an issue between coach and quarterback? Because there was a quote afterwards that Salah

Speaker 1 said that they need to dial back the cadence.

Speaker 1 And Aaron Rodgers said that's one way to do it. The other way is to hold them accountable.

Speaker 1 Thoughts?

Speaker 1 There might be a slight problem, but I don't think there's a problem.

Speaker 4 So when I was telling Ben Ken earlier that Caleb Williams should take that next step and just say, like, fuck this guy's play calling, I don't have a single doubt in my mind that Aaron Rodgers does that.

Speaker 4 Maybe every single play. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nathaniel Hackett might, they might not even plug in his headset.

Speaker 4 That might be why

Speaker 4 it might be why Aaron loves Nathaniel Hackett so much because he's like, I will overrule this guy on every single play call and he won't say shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They could have,

Speaker 1 they'll probably have a headset. Nathaniel Hackett's on a headset with like he's just talking to no one.
And they're like, yeah, go stand over there and call your game.

Speaker 1 And they're like, hey, Aaron, he still thinks he's talking to you. You just call the game.

Speaker 4 He's just got like Neo playing in his headphones and he's out there like trying to call a game. Memes, I have a question.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Have the Jets posted the final score yet?

Speaker 1 I don't believe so. Oh, that's a no-no.
He's back-to-back losses. Even the guy put the burrito up his ass.

Speaker 1 Did he? Yeah, I was scared. I saw it.
It was very funny. I saw the picture.
It was horrific.

Speaker 4 How'd it go up there?

Speaker 1 He just basically held it in his asshole.

Speaker 1 And then he did.

Speaker 1 So he did that.

Speaker 1 He took the picture. He had a mask on.
He had like a shirt on. It was just his ass with the burrito up.
And then the very next tweet was, oh, fuck, my wife found, saw the picture. I'm screwed.

Speaker 1 And then later on in the night, when Alabama was up, whatever, 28-0, he said, if Georgia comes back and wins this game, I'll do a face reveal and ruin my whole life. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And so he had a moment where he was like, I've done it again. Back-to-back weeks.
It's all over.

Speaker 1 So shout out that guy for actually putting the breed off his ass. St.
Bill Snyder. Henry.

Speaker 5 Memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 After last week's big win against New England, what percent chance did you think that you were going to possibly lose this game was?

Speaker 4 Five.

Speaker 1 five percent i also did that because i bet them

Speaker 1 well even to the last quarter i i thought we were winning the entire time yeah

Speaker 4 i mean you lost to bonix missed a kick yeah but bo nicks remember bonix was is such a winner that he won the game in spite of bonicks yeah but that's hard to do listen bo nix beat the tampa bay buccaneers the new york jets and himself twice yeah and he's got four wins in the last two weeks it's bonix

Speaker 5 memes any are one of the best quarterbacks in the league, allegedly.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we're getting allegeds going on. Does Aaron Rodgers look all right?

Speaker 4 I'm not talking about his play today.

Speaker 4 Does he look healthy?

Speaker 1 Dave, our... He looked healthy until...

Speaker 1 Our boss, Dave, has a theory that he's just got a goofy helmet.

Speaker 4 He's got to figure that out. He does have a goofy helmet.

Speaker 4 The way that it's strapped in looks kind of awkward, but

Speaker 4 he looks gaunt. He looks like he has scurvy, like he's on some weird diet where he's not allowed to eat vitamin C.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying not playing, you're just saying.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying in general, like he looks, he looks a little scraggly.

Speaker 1 Looks skinny. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Does he have something wrong with him? I don't know.

Speaker 1 He's your quarterback, buddy. No, he's fine.
Sure? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Good to hear.

Speaker 4 Also, memes, explain to these guys what you're telling me about the taunting penalty.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see this? No, but I'm already fired up hearing your tone of voice. So, Ronald Torbert's crew is the fucking worst NFL crew in the league.

Speaker 4 Sounds like a narcissist.

Speaker 1 You know that you're a Jets fan who's very mad about a game. No, no, no.
Once you get Ronald Torbert. It becomes a nice thing.
Let me start with Ronald Torbert.

Speaker 1 When you see this guy's face pop up on your screen, you're going to see him every five minutes for the rest of the game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the Jets are driving. Oh, yeah, I know Ronald Torbert.
Yep. The Jets are driving.
I see there's

Speaker 1 inside of the 20. We're watching it now.
He does a casual point-point.

Speaker 1 The ref runs over to Ronald Torbert

Speaker 1 and does this. Double points? Double points, like he was just shooting guns into the air.
15-yard penalty all the way back.

Speaker 4 Also, this TV's not on. I don't know if you thought the TV is not on the side.
Wait, can we see it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, can you turn that on? I want to see the double point. I just searched Ronald Torbert to see what he looks like.

Speaker 1 And one of the first tweets I saw was per TMZ NFL official, Ronald Torbert is dating A-list actress Margot Robby. So good for him.

Speaker 4 Wait, that's got to be a joke. Yeah, no, it's a big time joke.

Speaker 1 Okay. But it's very funny.
It's a very funny joke to treat out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so what is it? He looks, he's basically Mike Torico. He looks like Mike Tori.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm familiar with old Torbert.

Speaker 1 He's dating Margo Robby.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so what happened was the receiver did the double guns after he tossed the ball up, and then the side judge or whatever ran up to Torbert and was like, Torbert, he did the double guns.

Speaker 4 You can't do the double guns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're in the greater New York area. You can't do that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they suspended Plaxico for less than that. So

Speaker 4 it was a bad taunting penalty to call. And

Speaker 4 we've been anti-anti-taunting podcast for quite some time.

Speaker 1 Anti-anti, yes.

Speaker 4 We think players should be able to taunt. I've got two solutions for it.
Two solutions because we've got to be proactive. We can't just complain about it.

Speaker 4 Solution number one is whenever the referee announces a taunting penalty, everybody in the stands, even if it's in favor of your team, has to boo. Like it's Roger Goodell opening up the draft.
Yep.

Speaker 4 Everybody just boo the ref. Make them feel ashamed.
Second way to do it is if coaches start declining taunting penalties. Ooh.
Start declining all the taunting penalties.

Speaker 1 A gentleman's rule.

Speaker 4 A gentleman's rule. You all do it together.
If it's a soft-ass, bitch-ass taunt, decline the penalty and say, no, thanks. We'll strap it up like men.
I fucking love that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You basically,

Speaker 1 it's mutual combat when you show up.

Speaker 1 before the game, the coin flip, you shake hands, and you either agree to all declining of all taunting penalties or not. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think Dan Campbell would be the first to sign up for this.

Speaker 1 God, that would rock because people would just be taunting left and right, and the game would be more fun. Yep.

Speaker 1 But you know someone will break the truce.

Speaker 4 Seriously.

Speaker 1 If you really need it, if you really needed 15 yards,

Speaker 1 you would definitely break it.

Speaker 4 But then they should be shunned.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. They should be shunned.
They should be taken out of the coach's picture.

Speaker 4 Yeah, beat the fuck out of them before the coach's picture. So they look like that MMA fighter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Memes, so what's your panic level? Because

Speaker 1 this was supposed to be a win. It's supposed to be a win.
Panic's still not high, just unless we play in rain. Okay, so no rain for the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 No, but I also said that about Zach Wilson, so it's just like, it's just the same.

Speaker 1 We're kind of in the same spot.

Speaker 4 We just need perfect weather conditions.

Speaker 1 Why don't they have a dome?

Speaker 1 Why don't you have a dome? It should. It's a swampy area.
And it's also like you don't have...

Speaker 1 That's not a remarkable stadium that has any type of.

Speaker 1 There's nothing special. Yeah, and it's new, and it's also

Speaker 1 void of any type of character. Yeah, no, I'm with you.
They should get a dome and they should get a grass and then just maintain it. Okay.
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 You play the Vikings who Sam Darnold revenge game?

Speaker 1 He already had that. But this one's in London.
Yeah, but he already had that. But it's the London Sam Darnold revenge game.

Speaker 1 It's technically a short week.

Speaker 1 Yes, it is technically a short week.

Speaker 1 Robert Sella sucks at preparing more than

Speaker 4 seven days. Does it rain in England a lot?

Speaker 1 It does. Are they playing on a dome?

Speaker 1 It's a shorter week for the Vikings.

Speaker 1 But we play better on a shorter week. But they're even shorter.

Speaker 1 How do they play on a shorter week? Because they have to travel farther. No, I'm saying, how do they play? Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 4 But they're also one time zone behind you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a shorter week for them.

Speaker 1 It's even shorter? Yeah. Well, they have to go an extra hour, basically, a flight, or two hours of flight.
We're not a a time zone podcast. No, we've never been.

Speaker 4 It is technically one hour shorter in the time zones.

Speaker 1 They're an hour apart.

Speaker 4 It's the most East Coast game that you can possibly play.

Speaker 1 But is it all time the same?

Speaker 4 Now you're freaking me out.

Speaker 1 Man, that was heavy.

Speaker 4 That's some Aaron Rodgers shit.

Speaker 1 What the hell just happened?

Speaker 4 No, man.

Speaker 1 They have to.

Speaker 4 So, memes, let's just say hypothetically it was the same distance from London, right? New York and Minneapolis. Yep.

Speaker 4 Minneapolis would have to leave one hour earlier on the clock than the Jets would. Correct.

Speaker 4 That day that they leave for travel, that's going to be one hour earlier.

Speaker 1 So they left at the exact same time. The Jets would leave at 1 p.m.
and the Vikings would technically leave at 12 or noon. Yep.
And then they would get there at the same time. No.
No.

Speaker 1 It would still take longer for the Vikings. Well, one hour.
And they would have to leave earlier, so they're on a shorter week.

Speaker 1 They have to leave home before you do.

Speaker 1 I think you're right. Yeah, i know i'm right so there goes your short week buddy you actually got the least you got a long week

Speaker 1 but it's not you're on a long week compared to the vikings

Speaker 4 get that extra hour

Speaker 1 oh we can we got

Speaker 1 we got him back we got him back in the matrix right now yeah have some how you like that now they don't like it yeah no one does so does salak he sucks at coaching in the rain or your quarterback sucks the jets suck in the rain overall.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Jets suck in the rain. We've had two good games in the rain.
One against the Texans last year. Smoked them.
And then one against the Bears. But your quarterback was.

Speaker 1 Oh, was it Bajant? No.

Speaker 1 Three years ago, Mike White games. Oh, oh.

Speaker 1 McCown.

Speaker 1 No, was it... Oh, no.
We started.

Speaker 1 Shit, who did we start in that game? What year was it?

Speaker 1 Was it Seaman? Yeah, it might have been. Yeah, I think it was.
No, it's Trevor Simeon. I think it was Trevor Simeon.
Stud. That was bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Trevor Simeon started that game. Yeah, but those are the only two good Jets games.
Like, last year we played the Giants and barely won. It's just bad.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Salad needs to wear a hat in the rain. Okay.
The shiny bald head is distracting.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 He has to feel every single raindrop all over his head.

Speaker 1 He also needs to just

Speaker 1 like show.

Speaker 1 You know what? Get is gold member Mike Myers? Yep. Is it Austin Powers? Yep.
Just

Speaker 1 get him stuck in the bowels of MetLife with a car going back and forth. That's not what you need to do with Nathaniel Hackett before the game.
That's it.

Speaker 1 That's like, hey, Nathaniel, can you park my golf cart real quick? And then right before kickoff, you're like, hey, just put that over there.

Speaker 4 And he'll just get stuck. Because it's going to be an issue for Nathaniel Hackett in England having to listen to all those accents.
He'll just think it's hilarious.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's gonna be like,

Speaker 4 this entire country is like gold member.

Speaker 1 He's gonna be thinking he's living in the movie. Yep, there's a problem.
The year when the coach gets stuck. Yeah.
Yep. Yeah, yeah.
Brickma.

Speaker 1 The ice is hot. We heat up the ice.
All right.

Speaker 1 Next. Why don't you keep the mic on over there?

Speaker 1 Bucks 33 Eagles 16.

Speaker 1 Maxie.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Eagles are bad. Yeah.
Right now. No, they're bad.
Oh, oh.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I bet the Bucs right before a kickoff because I saw the stat that Lane Johnson was out. And since 2013, the Eagles are 97-59 and 1 when he plays, which is 62% winning percentage.

Speaker 1 And now, without him, they are 14-24.

Speaker 1 That's significant. That's pretty crazy.
That it is.

Speaker 1 It's like 40% of winning percentage when Lane Johnson's on the field versus when he's not also doesn't help when you're only two receivers on the roster or also out yeah and i thought for a second

Speaker 4 you have more receivers than that you have i'll name one britton covey britton covey i are name okay i'll name another one uh jahan dotson not not good not a receiver not a worthy one okay how much would you give up in a trade for him hypothetically if you were to what do you think it's worth a lot less than a third rounder

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 what about Dallas Goddard? He's good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, you had that. Who else? Saquon Barkley got 12 touches.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Wait, 12 catches? Touches.

Speaker 1 Touches.

Speaker 4 So, including his rushing attempts.

Speaker 1 In the whole game. Correct.
He got 12 touches. That is correct.
Do you want me to say it again? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you hear Sirianni's explanation for why they didn't get more involved earlier?

Speaker 1 I don't want to hear anything from him. Okay.
I want to hear. Would you like to hear Hank?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'd like to hear it. So a reporter asked him how come he wasn't more involved in the opening three series of the game.
I think he got two touches maybe on the first three drives.

Speaker 5 That's more of the receivers than they have on the active roster.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's a good point, Hank. So

Speaker 4 Siriani said,

Speaker 4 well, in those drives, if you look at them, we got to third down on all of them and went three and out. So on third down, we weren't going to run the ball.

Speaker 4 So really, it's just two plays per possession that we weren't getting the ball ball at. So, you have to bear that in mind and take three of those plays out.
And now you're only stuck with nine plays.

Speaker 4 Or, I guess that'd be six plays to get him the ball. And they got him the ball a third of the time.
So, that was pretty good. Oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 So, maybe if you got him the ball more, maybe then you wouldn't have been in third.

Speaker 1 I'm stuck in that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Max, you guys have John Ross?

Speaker 1 Yes. I didn't know he was still in the NFL.
He was in the practice squad. He's the fastest guy in the world.
Also, I think he wears 37. Is that the slowest number?

Speaker 1 38. But he's not the slow.
That's actually smart by him because he's so fast and he wears a slow number. People will be deceived.
That's genius. No.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 I agree. Like, if he wore number one or 11.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Dude, he's a.
I remember John Ross when he got drafted. I was just like, this guy's going to be a game changer.
He's going to be so fast.

Speaker 4 He's going to end up on the Chiefs and then we'll look like morons.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he will. You probably will trade him to the Chiefs.
He'll be incredible. John Ross had a catch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 Were there any positive things about today?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 What about the blocked extra point? You guys returned for two points.

Speaker 1 Sick. I mean, the game was over in

Speaker 1 a second. It was.

Speaker 1 And it was also like as soon as they went down, they didn't have the guys to go back.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's tough. It's tough in the booth.
It sucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Baker Mayfield, nice bounce back from his game last week. And the Bucs.
Baker was incredible. Yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 he had a bad game against the Broncos, and he bounced back. And the Bucs look like they're still the class of the NFC South.
I think there's a chance that Sirianni doesn't make it through the vibes.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Is he sick? No.
Oh.

Speaker 1 There's two guys out there.

Speaker 4 I got one.

Speaker 1 There's two guys out there.

Speaker 5 It should be Vrabez. Dominic.

Speaker 1 Belichick. Vrape.
Or Belichick.

Speaker 1 That both would kill Hank.

Speaker 1 Vrabes would have. Both would kill Hank.

Speaker 4 Vrabes would kick the shit out of people if he was the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 Vrabel would be awesome.

Speaker 4 You want a leader of men?

Speaker 1 Wait, but you're not going to hire an interim. Yeah, why not? Yeah, I guess why not? You're right.
You're right. All right, so

Speaker 1 you're really down on a two-and-two team with a lot of injuries. Like, the injuries are going to get fixed.

Speaker 1 They did not show up in the slightest today. They had no interest in being on the field.
It It was too hot. It's hot.
And then there's

Speaker 1 a problem. There's a problem between coach and coach and quarterback.
There's a problem between coach and player.

Speaker 1 And whenever the coach gets behind a microphone, he sounds like a fucking idiot just like me. But I'm not the coach of the fucking Eagles.
That's true. And Darius Slay is a fucking ass.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So tell us this story because we missed this.

Speaker 1 I want you to tell me. What happened with Darius Slay? He got burned.
Darius Slay, bad game today. Yeah.
Very bad game. And then what did he do? After the game, goes to Twitter almost immediately.
X.

Speaker 1 150 past breakups and counting. 28 picks and counting.
Six-time Pro Bowl. All pro.
When you talk bad about me, don't forget to mention the greatness of me, too. Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 Mention his greatness.

Speaker 1 And then he... Hank, are you taking notes?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 what? He got roasted and then went private.

Speaker 1 Listen, Derius Slay, be a man like everyone else, and don't even tweet any of that just do a screenshot of the man in the arena speech yeah shut up all the haters hank you need to do that when you can't dunk you'd be like i'm gonna dunk no you know producer for a number one sports podcast for last eight plus years

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 rode on the float with with the coachouls uh keeper of the lighthouse keeper of the lighthouse

Speaker 1 didn't look that bad bald didn't look that bad bald that's actually that might be number one that's the remember my flattery ball winner yeah it was 3x in the new studio what do you say what is it What's the last line of it?

Speaker 1 Remember my when you come at me, remember my greatness?

Speaker 4 Mention my greatness as well.

Speaker 1 That's such a loser thing to do. You can't do that on Twitter.
And then he went private. Yeah.
That's bad. Yeah, Philly got it.

Speaker 4 How come when people criticize me, they don't also talk about how great I am?

Speaker 1 When you talk bad about me,

Speaker 1 don't forget to mention the greatness of me, too.

Speaker 4 Well, that wouldn't be talking bad about him.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 1 Bucks, I do think, are the class of the NFC NFC South. I think they're very good.

Speaker 1 It was good to see Baker bounce back because I feel like with these quarterbacks, and Baker's had extended periods, but like a Sam Darnold, Baker, I think, is better than Sam.

Speaker 1 But if they have one bad game, I'm always worried that it's going back into a pumpkin. Yep.
You know? Yeah. Like, oh, no.
I hear you.

Speaker 4 Did they figure him out? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I just get nervous. So it was good to see Baker have a good bounce back game.

Speaker 4 I think it's a little bit different with Baker because he had success in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Baker's not the same. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We also had Tom Brady was just unloading the clip with stories today.

Speaker 1 He said that the Bears were a secret team for him in 2020. I remember that that was floated.
It might have been just Mike Florio said it to bother me and to get me a little excited.

Speaker 4 Boy Who Cried Goat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he dropped that.

Speaker 5 I don't remember talking about it that much.

Speaker 5 Obviously, there was, you know, he was going to go somewhere else, but I don't remember the Bears being a serious.

Speaker 5 Like, I feel like we would have had more serious conversations if that were true.

Speaker 1 I think it was just like a Dark Horse team that was mentioned a few times.

Speaker 4 He took his free agency tour kind of under wraps, if I remember, because he had that one, there was like secret meetings going on with the Dolphins, and then that whole thing blew up.

Speaker 4 And then there were some other teams where it was like, oh, he might go to this team. But this is the first I remember hearing like concrete Tom thought about going to the Bears.

Speaker 1 He would have hated it because that was, I mean, that was 2020. I actually think we might have gone to the was that the year they extended the playoffs when they made it 17?

Speaker 4 There was COVID, right? Yeah, I want to say Tom Brady won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 We went to the, I think that was the game the Bears lost to the Saints.

Speaker 4 There was Heineke. Heineke covered against the Bucs.

Speaker 1 I think that was MVP year.

Speaker 1 Was it? I think that was Mitch winning the MVP.

Speaker 5 That sounds right.

Speaker 1 I think it might have been.

Speaker 4 So would you rather have

Speaker 1 Tom Brady?

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, first ever MVP?

Speaker 1 Well, I guess my point is like that it wasn't crazy. It sounds crazy to be like, oh, you would have gone to the Bears, but the Bears that year were a playoff team with Mitch Shariski.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm right.

Speaker 1 That was the MVP the year. Do you think they would have been better with Tom Brady? The four-year when he kicked.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you think they would have been better with Tom Brady?

Speaker 1 I think they would have probably been better with Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 They might have. So the big question was answered today:

Speaker 4 are the Bucks having more fun this year than

Speaker 1 two years ago.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So there was a quote.
I don't, I remember talking about this on this show, but apparently Baker said on the Casa de Club podcast,

Speaker 4 the building was a little different with the club.

Speaker 1 House of Club.

Speaker 4 House of Club?

Speaker 1 Did you just hit the SAP button by accident?

Speaker 4 No, it says on this on this.

Speaker 1 No, that's the name.

Speaker 5 I was translating. Oh, you're right.

Speaker 1 In case you didn't know. You hit the SAP button.

Speaker 4 The House of Club.

Speaker 4 The building was a little bit different with Tom in there. Obviously, playing-wise, Tom is different.
He had everybody dialed in, high-strung environment, so I think everybody was pretty stressed out.

Speaker 4 They wanted me to come in, be myself, bring the joy back to football for guys who weren't having as much fun.

Speaker 4 And then Tom Brady said today on the broadcast, I thought stressful was not having Super Bowl rings. There was a mindset of a champion that I took to work every day.
This wasn't daycare.

Speaker 4 If I wanted to have fun, I was going to go to Disneyland with my kids.

Speaker 1 Got him.

Speaker 4 Would you rather have fun? Or win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 I'd say this is the old Lane Johnson when we got him in trouble.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 And we basically put words in his mouth.

Speaker 4 Is Tom Brady not fun? No, Lane Johnson said that.

Speaker 1 No, we led him to say that. We definitely did.
I remember we basically put it in his mouth. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Put it in his throat. We put it in his mouth.

Speaker 1 Tom Brady. I did put it in Lynn Johnson's mouth.

Speaker 4 I think Tom Brady might not be a fun hang.

Speaker 5 But he wins.

Speaker 4 But he wins. And is that fun?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's just like the finance version of like, we don't have fun here. We make bank.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Having fun is actually for losers. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That might be true.

Speaker 1 It kind of is. Winning is more is the most fun you can have.
Right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's the most fun you can have while having no other fun.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 When you win, that's the peak of fun. What it takes to get to winning, nothing.

Speaker 4 That part sucks. I actually think losers have way more fun than winners.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they just hang out.

Speaker 4 But then if you lose too much,

Speaker 4 then you're not having any fun on that side, too.

Speaker 1 The key is to be an unaware loser. Yeah.
Because then your life is just awesome all the time.

Speaker 4 To think you're a winner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just lose and you're like, well, I don't care.

Speaker 4 Like, maybe if you just do a podcast and you get on this podcast all the time and you talk a lot of shit about people that have accomplished a lot in their chosen field of athletics and you make fun of them, you're a loser, but you're unaware that you're a loser.

Speaker 4 So you would probably have a lot of fun doing that. Right.

Speaker 1 Have a lot of fun. Hypothetically.
Have a lot of fun. Hypothetically.

Speaker 1 Okay. So, Max, season's over.

Speaker 1 I mean, we could make a change. Oh.
So, with Nick Siriani's season is over.

Speaker 1 Current mindset is that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Jalen Hurtson is addicted to turning the ball over. Oh, no.
Are we about to have this conversation? Let's wait. Let's wait.
Let's wait till Lane Johnson comes back. And A.J.
Brown.

Speaker 1 Because I don't want to have this conversation that we've been dancing around for a while.

Speaker 4 I think A.J. Brown is going to make a big difference.

Speaker 1 It sounds like you're having the conversation in your head, though. Let's wait.
But are you...

Speaker 1 We're not going to have this conversation. Has the conversation occurred in your head?

Speaker 4 Yes, okay, that's bad who's winning the conversation is it angry Max or is it what I'm not asking the question is it is angry max winning the conversation or is cool-headed rational Max I think angry Max Angry Max Angry Max is angry

Speaker 1 tough to argue with yeah always controls this brain well do you think do you think depending on what you eat it goes like if you eat a salad it goes to Com Max if you eat a meatball it goes to angry max I don't know the more Italian you eat the angrier your angry brain gets like

Speaker 1 oh i'm well fed now

Speaker 1 i don't know max can i give you some good news max also congratulations to max he completed his wedding finale this weekend thank you five wedding four weddings in five weeks gauntlet congrats max i'm i am

Speaker 4 i'm fighting for my life right now yeah i can tell you did it though i can tell it's an impressive stretch here's some good news for you max you have the buy that's good make any changes over the buy.

Speaker 4 Maybe get healthier. After that, the Browns.

Speaker 4 After that, the Giants. After that, the Bengals.
And after that, the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 5 Is that even a thing where teams bring in coaches from the outside in the middle of the season? No. No.
So why are you even floating that out there?

Speaker 1 Why not? Because it's not realistic.

Speaker 4 Are you talking about an interim coach?

Speaker 5 No, he's throwing out Belichick and Vrabel, but that would be unprecedented.

Speaker 4 Has that ever happened? I don't think so. So early.
You hire just an interim coach for hire? Coach O would be great at that job. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's not doing anything. All right, a boy can dream.
A boy can dream. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, you said that, like, that's your solution. Like, how do we fix, turn the season around? Let's do something that's never been done in the history of

Speaker 1 sport.

Speaker 5 That's a bad spot to be in.

Speaker 1 It's a really bad spot to be in. They looked horrible today.
Yeah. It's just bad vibes.

Speaker 1 The vibes haven't been good in a year. Well, it's the booing, it's everything.
Oh, the booing? It is. It's booing against everything.
You're right. Hey, Phillies.

Speaker 1 That's going to end. Why? Why?

Speaker 1 What is wrong? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I also got bad vibes for that. What? What? What? What? So I'm just a little.

Speaker 1 Oh, go ahead. You're almost there.
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Finish the thought. We have more flips.
You got a playoff run coming up. You can't think losing, dude.
Finish the thought.

Speaker 5 We got to think winning.

Speaker 1 I'm scared. Ranger Suarez all of a sudden sucks.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I'm scared.

Speaker 4 Well, Max, I just looked this up here.

Speaker 4 In 1978, the San Diego Chargers head coach Tommy Prothrow resigned four weeks into the season, and the Chargers got Don Coriel

Speaker 1 from the Cardinals. Yeah, shut up, Hank.
Unprecedented. In your face, Hank.

Speaker 4 Don Coriel. Suck.

Speaker 1 Learn ball.

Speaker 5 What do you think about Big Dom?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Big Donny C.

Speaker 4 Somebody said this. I didn't see it with my own two eyes, so I might be spreading fake news here.
Did Big Dom participate in the post-game coach's handshake?

Speaker 1 I don't know. That would be funny if he stick around.

Speaker 1 Nick Siriani's been emasculated so much that Big Dom holds the back of Nick Siriani's hand. Yeah.
And they shake it together.

Speaker 4 Yeah, let me bring my conciguliary.

Speaker 1 I want to make sure that this man doesn't break your hand. I have to protect you at all costs.

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 1 okay uh texans jaguars texans 24 jaguars 20 uh cj stroud game-winning drive jaguars look like they might be

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 get off the mat and then they lose and it feels like things are starting to spiral for Dougie P because he was asked after the game about his status.

Speaker 1 And he said, my status, I mean, no, kind of a strange question, but okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, like he hadn't thought about that at all. There was another part of his post-game press conference that stood out.
And I think a lot of people didn't pick up on it.

Speaker 4 But if you're a Jaguars fan, you probably know exactly what I'm talking about. Doug Peterson has not said publicly that Press Taylor is the play caller.
He's their offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 Doug Peterson's in charge of the offense. He's called a lot of plays earlier in his career, and people were speculating that maybe he was calling the plays now for Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 He said in the press conference, just out of nowhere, he goes, Press Taylor called a great game today. Number one, I don't think Press Taylor called a great game today.
But he threw that out there.

Speaker 4 And then right after that, he said, listen, if you're going to point fingers, point fingers at me.

Speaker 4 So what Doug Peterson just did was throw his offensive coordinator under the bus very subtly by letting people know that it's Press Taylor that's calling these plays.

Speaker 4 So Shad, if you're watching this press conference, if you need to ask somebody, I'm not calling the plays right now. It was like a little bat signal.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's kind of shitty.

Speaker 1 He also was like,

Speaker 1 they got to make plays.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Throwing it back on the players.

Speaker 4 That part, if he was not intending to throw his offensive coordinator under the bus, which he might not have been, maybe he was.

Speaker 4 But if he was intending intending to do that, he did a nice, subtle job of doing it.

Speaker 4 If he didn't, then you can still say, well, then right after that, you said that our players need to go out and execute because we've had a great game. Now, Trevor, I don't think, played poorly today.

Speaker 4 He had like a couple overthrows.

Speaker 1 That one deep one that was, I don't know who it was, was wide,

Speaker 1 wide open.

Speaker 4 You could definitely say that

Speaker 4 Trevor missed two touchdown passes today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was bad.

Speaker 4 But he also made some really good throws today. He needs to cut it out with the spin moves to nowhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah, spin moves to nowhere are always bad.

Speaker 1 I don't understand.

Speaker 1 So the Jaguars did a pretty good job of running the ball today, and then when they got the ball back, or sorry, they got the ball with like

Speaker 1 350-ish

Speaker 1 left in the game,

Speaker 1 up three,

Speaker 1 they decided to run the ball on first down and then pass past both incompletions, kicked it back to the Texans with more than enough time

Speaker 1 for C.J. Stroud with timeouts in his back pocket, go on a game-winning drive.
I don't care if you want to say, well, we got to stay aggressive, we got to stay aggressive.

Speaker 1 Like, in that situation, under four minutes, you have to try to give, like, if you're going to give the ball back, it has to be with as little amount of time as possible.

Speaker 4 And was Atienne hurt today? Did he get injured early on?

Speaker 1 I don't know. We were going back and forth.
I do not recall.

Speaker 4 We were watching the game in the PMT studio. I do not recall.
You couldn't focus on all of them at the same time. I do not recall.

Speaker 1 He was,

Speaker 4 yeah, I thought I heard that he got hurt, but because everybody was like, why the fuck isn't Etienne running this football?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that was just a, I don't know why they weren't running there and trying to burn clock. And then CJ Stroud happened.
And I have a question for you, PFT.

Speaker 1 Is Nico Collins a top three wide receiver? Because it feels like he is.

Speaker 4 He's awesome. He's so good.

Speaker 1 CJ Stroud, watching this game, like, it was basically like anytime they get in trouble, you just hit the Nico Collins button. Yeah, they got it.
And just he'll make a big fucking play for you.

Speaker 4 The Texans have some serious weapons. It's like them and the Vikings that have the two best weapons.
I'd like to see those teams play. Yeah.
It's going to be a shootout. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they're.

Speaker 1 Well, unless one team fumbles. That's true.
And that changes the whole scope of the game. That would be against the 49ers.

Speaker 4 So C.J. Stroud is just, he's entering that conversation where it's like, if you're within one possession at the end of the game, CJ will figure out a way to get it done.
Yes.

Speaker 4 I read something interesting about him this week, actually. Did you you know that he moved his barber to Houston? He had a barber.
Power move.

Speaker 1 He had a barber.

Speaker 4 I think he met him at Ohio State, and they became good friends. And then he gets drafted, obviously, by the Texans.
And then he flew his barber out a couple times a month. Got him some nice haircuts.

Speaker 4 And then he was like, you know what? Fuck it. Why don't you just move down to Houston? I love that.
That's such a good move. I love that.
Because having a good barber is like a good therapist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Especially maybe a little scalp massage.

Speaker 1 Ah, we shouldn't do that with Texas. Yeah, watch out.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the last therapist that got flown out there didn't do it so kindly.

Speaker 1 But yeah, C. D.
Shroud is in that category of if you made a list of guys with the ball in their hands with two minutes left and need a touchdown, he's top five. Yeah.
Of, yeah, I feel confident.

Speaker 1 Just the poise he has is just always insane.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Nico Collins is.

Speaker 4 Sometimes we forget about Nico Collins. I don't.

Speaker 4 He gets lost.

Speaker 1 I have him on all my fantasy teams, not to brag, so I don't.

Speaker 4 But he's really good.

Speaker 1 He's really fucking good. And it really does feel like anytime they get in a jam, they just hit that button.

Speaker 1 This just is a vibes thing, but there might be a stat to back it up. Is Larry Mitunsel going for the record for flags this year?

Speaker 4 He might be, but counterpoint,

Speaker 4 I have another question for you, big guy, to answer this question. Do you remember the name of the other first overall pick who's on the Jacksonville Jaguars from, I believe, 2022?

Speaker 1 I think Josh Allen?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 He might be the most untalked about first overall pick in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, no, Josh Allen was not.

Speaker 1 It's the guy from Georgia.

Speaker 4 Joshua Hines-Allen. Yeah, he was drafted, I think, the same spot that other Josh Allen was drafted.
No, it's from Georgia.

Speaker 1 The guy from Georgia.

Speaker 4 Guy from Georgia, Trayvon

Speaker 4 Walker.

Speaker 1 Yes. Trayvon Walker.
People don't remember.

Speaker 4 They have that guy as a first overall pick, too. They do.
And he might be a holding merchant. Yeah.
Because he got, I think it was three holding penalties penalties that he got against Tunsel today.

Speaker 1 Tunsell's trying to break the record. Yeah.
I really feel it. I don't know if there's a stat to look it up, but he had the

Speaker 1 triple

Speaker 1 false start last week. I think he had a couple more this week.
I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 I'll say right now, Laramie Tunsell, I support your

Speaker 1 aspirations to break the record for most flags in a season.

Speaker 4 And also, if you had a quarterback that was getting hit a lot, wouldn't you rather have your offensive lineman just hold the guy and prevent him from getting clobbered? Yes.

Speaker 1 Also, also, if you're Laramie Tunsell and you want maybe the Google results to not be the bong mask,

Speaker 1 breaking the record for most penalties in a season would be pretty good.

Speaker 4 That's true, because I think if you Google Laramie Tunsell holding,

Speaker 4 it doesn't auto-populate to holding a gas mask bong. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep. Okay.

Speaker 4 It's not even on the list anymore. There you go.

Speaker 1 So good job, Laramie Tunsell. He's going to break the record.
I got to find out how many he actually actually has. I got to look this up real quick.
Laramie Tunsell.

Speaker 4 They should give. That should be a defensive stat, too.

Speaker 4 What? If you draw an offensive holding.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd agree. It should be a half a sack.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Penalty.

Speaker 4 Which I think is what Tunsell had in that bong.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 It's kind of funny. I just love his name.

Speaker 4 It is fun to say.

Speaker 1 Laramie Tunsell.

Speaker 1 I'm seeing right here it says 15 flags so far this year. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 See, I would not mind that if I was CJ Stroud.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 10 penalties through four games for Laramie Tunsell now. That's awesome.
I think he's going for it. Go for it.

Speaker 1 I want that. Most penalties by any player through week three since 2000.

Speaker 4 I love that. Yes.

Speaker 4 It does feel like...

Speaker 1 It needs to be like a Social McGuire thing. Yeah.
Where

Speaker 1 we do a flag watch.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Who else would be up there for holding penalties?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but I want Laramie Tunsell. I want a flag watch.
I want them to break into a playoff baseball game to just be like, and we break in live to Houston, Laramie Tunson with another hold.

Speaker 1 They just show the replay of the hold, then they get out of there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, red zone for holding.

Speaker 4 Every dropback. I was talking to Arian the other day, and he was telling me about what a deep part of the Texans culture Andre Johnson still is to this day.

Speaker 4 You know what his title is?

Speaker 1 Because he still is.

Speaker 4 He's director of vibes. He's working for the Texans.

Speaker 4 His title is being Andre Johnson. Oh.
So Arian saw him at a game one time. He was like, Hey, good to see you.
He's wearing the shirt and everything, the Texans polo shirt.

Speaker 4 He's like, What are you doing for the team? He goes, I'm just being me. They just pay Andre Johnson to hang out and just be himself.
I love it. Which is important to do.

Speaker 4 I think if you have a guy like him that played for a bunch of shitty quarterbacks and was still really, really good, just keep that guy in the building.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did. Jerry Reinsworth did it with Scotty Pippen, where he just made him like ambassador to basketball.

Speaker 4 There you go. Sorry about not paying you, Scott.

Speaker 1 Yeah, here, sit on the sideline.

Speaker 4 Here's $50,000 a year to hang out.

Speaker 1 Pretty much. Pretty much.

Speaker 1 Okay, next up, Commanders 42, Cardinals 14. PFT, are the Commanders just good?

Speaker 4 I think they might be good. I think so, too.
I think I might have a good, fun team. I think they're good.

Speaker 1 I think they're good at football.

Speaker 4 It's crazy to think about that. Now,

Speaker 4 I will get to some Jaden Suckfest stuff in a second, but I feel like the most impressive thing about the Commanders today,

Speaker 4 two things actually. One, our defense.
Our defense was pretty good.

Speaker 4 I would say that they were good today, today, which is crazy considering that if you asked me a week ago what I thought about their defense, I'd say probably the worst in the league.

Speaker 1 I feel like they're getting to a Dan Quinn competency level. Yes.
Like a baseline Dan Quinn.

Speaker 4 Which is all I'm hoping for.

Speaker 1 They don't make mistakes.

Speaker 4 I never said anything beyond yoffs, but if we have a good defense, if we have like 20th to 15th ranked defense,

Speaker 4 I'm thinking a win in the offs. I'm thinking maybe

Speaker 4 visional wiki.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking maybe. That team today looked like they could be in a soupy team.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 not soupy. I'm thinking

Speaker 4 if our defense is...

Speaker 1 That was a soup team.

Speaker 4 If our defense is 16th in the NFL,

Speaker 4 right better as a defense than Dak Prescott is as quarterback, I would say that we

Speaker 4 could lose the NFC Championship game.

Speaker 1 To who?

Speaker 4 Anybody. That's kind of our ceiling this year, I feel like, if our defense is just kind of, if it's average to a little bit above average.
But I don't think that's going to stick around.

Speaker 4 I think that's soupy. And our offensive line has really turned a corner, too, which is also another thing that I thought would be a weakness.

Speaker 4 But our offensive line and our running game looked awesome today.

Speaker 1 So is it Soupy?

Speaker 4 No, I'm not thinking Soupy. He's a rookie quarterback, and we have

Speaker 4 a lot of work to do with our roster.

Speaker 4 But he is

Speaker 4 different. Yeah, he's very good.

Speaker 1 He's an 82% completion percentage.

Speaker 4 He's crazy. So

Speaker 4 I have a couple. What's the opposite of insult stats?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Incest stats? Because I love that, brother. Yeah.
That works. Jaden Daniels, his completion percentage, 82.1%.
And that's through his first four games playing in the NFL. 82.1%.

Speaker 4 That's the highest of any four-game stretch in the regular season since the NFL merger. Wow.
Like, of all time. Second place, Peyton Manning in 2008, 81%.
Third place, 2007, Tom Brady, 79.2%.

Speaker 5 Elite company. That's

Speaker 4 a good company to be in.

Speaker 1 That's pretty sick.

Speaker 4 He's completed at least 85% of his passes in two consecutive games. He's the first quarterback in NFL history to have two consecutive games of at least 85% or higher completion percentage.

Speaker 4 The first quarterback.

Speaker 1 That's pretty sick.

Speaker 4 It's weird. It is.

Speaker 4 It's weird being so happy with my team. And I was thinking about it because I'm still getting tweets from people being like, PFT, I'm very, it's so fun, so cool to see you happy.

Speaker 4 I'm glad that you're happy watching football, which I appreciate because I've had some pretty bad teams that I've rooted for.

Speaker 4 That I think might turn around in the next couple weeks because people are going to get sick of me being happy pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 No, I was saying to you before, I think it's just that if Jaden Daniels has a bad game, People will definitely be like, Hey, you said that you wouldn't trade,

Speaker 1 you would only trade Jaden Daniels for Patrick Mahomes. They would say that.
But I don't think they'd stop being happy for you. They would just try to dunk on you for that.
Maybe not.

Speaker 1 Which you shouldn't apologize for.

Speaker 4 I won't apologize. You get excited.

Speaker 1 I'm very happy.

Speaker 4 My mom texted me during this game when she was watching, and her text was just, I want to have Jaden Daniels over for dinner.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice.

Speaker 4 So that's nice. We'll try to arrange that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 4 But no, I'm not thinking soupy. But today it was encouraging.
And also just having a fun team. It's wild.
I don't know what's happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is very fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was my fun over today because I remember we were talking about it that they

Speaker 1 were responsible for our happiness in the afternoon. Yep.
And it was. It was fun.

Speaker 4 You called the fun over. I called Commander's Moneyline back in August.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true. Oh, yeah.
You cashed your bet. Cashed my bet.
Terrible line, but you cashed it.

Speaker 4 That's fine. That's fine.

Speaker 4 Max is, I think, already starting to not be so happy with me.

Speaker 1 Well, because Jalen Hurts is, he's having angry Max conversations about it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Max?

Speaker 1 I said that I was telling you that they're they're good. Commanders are first in the NFC East.
Correct. Yes.
They were first in the NFC East last week.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they've gone another week of being first in the NFC East. Correct.
Are they the have they held the NFC East crown for the most weeks?

Speaker 4 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, I think. Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 Eagles had it week one.

Speaker 4 Right? Yeah, you won the game Brazil. And then what happened week two with you? They lost.
You lost, but we won week two.

Speaker 4 I think you held it for two weeks. No, I think you were still week one.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 damn. We got to get that stat.
No, no, sweet. Week two, because week two you beat it.
You beat a

Speaker 1 giant

Speaker 1 in the division. Yeah, so you've had it for the most weeks.

Speaker 4 That's true.

Speaker 1 I got the two. Wow.

Speaker 1 That's pretty huge.

Speaker 4 But at one point today, I told Max that the Eagles should put Kenny Pickett in. Not because

Speaker 4 Jalen was, or Jaden. Now I'm getting

Speaker 4 my J's mixed up. We're not talking about the Eagles.
Not because Jalen wasn't playing well. I just thought that you don't want to get him hurt in this game.

Speaker 4 And then Max flipped out and was like, you've been good for one week.

Speaker 1 Actually, three now. Yeah, no.
No, that was before that game. Three weeks.
That was before that.

Speaker 1 Giants.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals' offense is,

Speaker 1 it feels broken to me.

Speaker 4 They just forget about Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 1 Well, it's not even that.

Speaker 1 It's like they either have a drive that looks like they're the most explosive offense in the world, where James Conner's running through people, and then Kyler Murray scrambles and hits a deep shot, or it's three and out.

Speaker 1 It feels like there's nothing in between. Like, they just, they had two drives.

Speaker 1 I think it was maybe their first drive and a drive in the third or fourth quarter, where it looked like no one in the world could stop the Cardinals. Every other drive looks atrocious.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but when they were driving, it's like, this is the formula, stick with it. And nobody could guard Marvin Harrison Jr.
when they throw him the ball. And then they just,

Speaker 4 it's like for complete quarters, the Cardinals forget to pass the ball to him. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. It's,

Speaker 1 but yeah, PFD, I think the Commanders are going to came right down. I was just like, I think the Commanders are

Speaker 1 a good team. It's not, it's not a fluke.
Because

Speaker 1 the Monday night game, you always had it in your back of your head and be like, all right, we caught fire for one game. Yeah.
That was cool. But no, they're just a really good team.

Speaker 4 Jaden Daniels makes every single moment of my life better. I'm happier all the time because of him.
That makes sense. And I don't want anything bad to happen to him.
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 Why would you say that?

Speaker 4 I want to protect him. Because it's always in the back of my head.
The pumpkin thing, the stagecoach turning into a pumpkin at midnight, that's always going to be in the back of my head. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Don't let anything bad happen to him. Don't.
He's awesome. And I'm thinking Yoff's win.
I'm thinking maybe Divisional Wiki.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 4 Divisional Wiki. Divisional Wiki.
Also, if you want to hate Jaden Daniels, I have an easy way why you can do that.

Speaker 4 I said during the game, like, hey, Stephen Che, do you have any terrible nicknames for Jaden Daniels? Like how he used to call Justin Fields Justine?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 So credit to Stephen Che. He followed through on this assignment and sent me a list of nicknames that I can yell at the TV with you.

Speaker 4 Do you want to hear him? Yes.

Speaker 4 This will make you hate Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 4 JD, kind of like Jay-Z in parentheses, he says.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't JD more be like Jack Daniels?

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's... Yeah, good point.
Or J.D. Vance.
Yeah. The Jade Animal.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 4 Cinco Day Daniels.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 4 And then he just said any bomber plane that you know of could work.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 4 So if I want to call him like a B-2

Speaker 1 or a B-1,

Speaker 1 that could work.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, the Warthog. I don't mind the Warthog.
The Warthog's not bad.

Speaker 4 The Warthog's pretty sick. The Warthog's not bad.

Speaker 1 The Warthog.

Speaker 4 Anyways, I'm happy all the time because of Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 I'm happy. You're happy, Hank.
Would you like to talk about the Patriots? Surely. $49, $30, Patriots, 13.

Speaker 5 We have the worst worst offensive line in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Is that it?

Speaker 5 Defense played pretty good.

Speaker 5 Our offensive line stinks. It completely makes the game impossible.
Yeah, it is. Short drives.
Defense is on the field all game. They get tired.

Speaker 5 It's impossible to like defense, I don't think, is the problem, but

Speaker 5 when you have no offensive line, it's impossible to get anything going. Yeah.
And when drives go, you know, three and out,

Speaker 5 you have two or three three and outs in the first quarter, first half, and it's like, this game's over. We can't.
We're not going to score.

Speaker 4 And it's over. Yeah.
And you're in a weird position where, with an offensive line like that, probably not the best idea to start your rookie quarterback.

Speaker 1 Right. But he would be the only thing that would make it like half enjoyable to watch football.
Correct. So you're you're you're in a real conundrum.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Now you're you're just kind of resigning yourself to a season watching bad football.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah, which was kind of, I knew it was going to be the case going into it.
We had the first week, you you know.

Speaker 1 Fred Warner's pick was so fucking cool. Yeah.
He jumped so high and then ran not that fast, but all the way down the field for a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Also, Brock Purdy at one point had nine completions for 199 yards. That's crazy.
It was just

Speaker 1 everyone was getting big plays.

Speaker 4 Do you see that catch that Kittle had? Yeah. Touchdown catch where he jumped over three people to haul it in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Juwan Jennings is just also a stud. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's crazy. Somehow Juwan Jennings, like, don't don't really miss a beat.

Speaker 1 Nope. They're just, yeah, I mean, that was, we said it Friday, this was the get-right game.
Yeah, Trent Williams. The 30

Speaker 1 got very right.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Trent Williams was just stealing.

Speaker 1 He was getting right all day.

Speaker 4 Good news if you're a Niners fan. Christian McCaffrey is expected to start running on hard ground soon.

Speaker 4 So I don't know what he's been training on. Sand? What they have in Germany.

Speaker 4 But maybe sand. Maybe doing like underwater treadmill like Blake did when he was recovering.

Speaker 1 Dude, Germany's so far to go to the doctor. Yeah.
Like, think about how much it sucks to go to the doctor, and you gotta go all the way to Germany.

Speaker 4 I just got my first physical in like six years.

Speaker 1 Oh, I need to do that so bad.

Speaker 4 There's doctors that live right down the street from me every place I've been.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I need to do that. I need to get one.

Speaker 4 Or even their offices are right there, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like the Niners are going to beat up the Cardinals next week, so they're going to get right after they're get right.

Speaker 4 They're going to get real right.

Speaker 1 They're going to get so right. Hard right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe like Kate in the case race. Looking right.

Speaker 1 Raiders,

Speaker 1 Browns, wrapping up. Raiders 20, Brown 16.
The business decision game. It worked.
Antonio Pierce had no Max Crosby, no Devontae Adams. He got crazy with it.

Speaker 1 They had like, they had, I think, six dudes run the football. At one point, there were six guys who got carries that, you know, they only have two running backs.

Speaker 1 And they just did, they did kind of a mini kitchen sink where they just threw everything at it and won this game. And I don't know

Speaker 1 the Browns might be one of the biggest bummer teams out there right now. They're big-time bummers.
Like Amari Cooper wants out. Yeah.
He does not want to be there anymore.

Speaker 4 Who caught that long touch that got called? Amari Cooper. That was Cooper.
Okay. So if you're a Browns fan, you have every right to complain about that.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 It might have been, by the letter of the law, a penalty, a block in the back, but

Speaker 4 it was not enough to throw a flag on, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 And I don't know how Deshaun Watson, look,

Speaker 1 you take sacks, I get it, but like fourth down for the game on the line,

Speaker 1 you have to throw the ball somewhere. You have to.
Yep.

Speaker 4 That pick was not his fault, though. That was actually a great pass that he threw that bounced off his receiver's hand.

Speaker 1 But they just have, it feels like their offensive line issues with injuries and everything. They're just, maybe Nick Chubb fixes a lot of it.

Speaker 4 I don't know. He is fun to root for.
At least you get that back if you're Brownson.

Speaker 1 He is on his way back.

Speaker 4 If you can't get Jameis in the game, a fun guy to root for is Nick Chubb.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the flag was bullshit on the Mari Cooper. So, yeah, the Browns should have won this game, but still, they're bad vibes.

Speaker 4 Also, credit to the Raiders.

Speaker 4 I know the business decision thing, but this, they probably had the opposite of a players-only meeting this week, where it was just like coaches, you have to listen to all the coaches talk to you all the time.

Speaker 1 All the time.

Speaker 4 And it paid off for him. These are the kind of games that Antonio Pierce will have your team win.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like the real ugly ones.

Speaker 4 I give the Raiders a better than 50% chance in every 50-50 game.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Do we have Johnny Fanta?

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, Fanta.

Speaker 1 We saved this. We started.
PFT and I were sitting in here by ourselves and we started to play it. And then we're like, you know what? Let's save it so we can react with the people.

Speaker 1 This is becoming one of my favorite Sunday night traditions is just pulling up John Fanta's Twitter and seeing how he reacted to another heartbreaking Browns loss.

Speaker 1 This one is two minutes and 14 seconds. Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 1 That's, listen, you give me two hours of Fanta. I'll take it.
Okay. I'm just letting you know.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 someone messed around with this TV. Oh.
So it's not working? Like,

Speaker 1 you're just seeing yourself, right? Yeah, we see ourselves. It's kind of nice.
But you can't see. No, no.
Can't see anything.

Speaker 4 I just want to hear Fanta.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's just hear him. Okay.

Speaker 4 I'll use my imagination.

Speaker 4 Hey, looks like Fanta.

Speaker 4 I'm doing a deep thing in my brain.

Speaker 1 And sickened.

Speaker 11 I'm ill for the Browns fans who spent their hard-earned money and ventured across America to go watch that.

Speaker 1 They're in pain.

Speaker 11 And a one-in-three team.

Speaker 11 A team that comes out every Sunday and like clockwork can go right down the field on their opponent.

Speaker 11 The Cleveland Browns scored a touchdown on their opening drive.

Speaker 11 They then went and scored a field goal. From there, the offense produced nothing.

Speaker 11 Not a thing.

Speaker 11 It's not Deshaun Watson's fault on this Sunday. It's not.
Thought this was one of his best performances as a Cleveland Brown.

Speaker 4 176 yards.

Speaker 11 And I think that that

Speaker 11 just makes you feel how much more painful about this loss because it's across the team.

Speaker 11 260 days ago, this organization was in a playoff game.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 11 And as we sit and talk right now, they're 1-3 with bosses and back-to-back weeks to the Giants and the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 11 It still feels like they're trying to feel everything out on offense. There's more organization on the Las Vegas strip at 3 a.m.
on a Saturday than there is with this team in-game offensively.

Speaker 11 They can't score.

Speaker 11 They can't score.

Speaker 11 They have failed to reach 20 points in a game.

Speaker 11 One and three,

Speaker 11 a lost season. I'm sad and I'm sickened.
And now you think to yourself,

Speaker 11 what are the consequences about to be for this organization as this year goes on?

Speaker 11 Because it doesn't feel like they have leadership. It feels like they're soul searching.
Defense,

Speaker 11 you made a big effort in the fourth quarter. I can appreciate that.
But you're losing the Giants and Raiders. You were in the playoffs 260 days ago.

Speaker 11 I'm ready for playoff baseball.

Speaker 11 End Sunday.

Speaker 1 I love it. Fanta.

Speaker 4 I think he's pretty level-headed.

Speaker 1 I can't score.

Speaker 1 I can't score. He put on a Guardian's hat.
Oh, he did? Good.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 4 He feels bad for the fans who spent their hard-earned dollar. I love that.
Nobody watches out for the fans' dollar like Fanta.

Speaker 1 Also, Vegas, like, not a bad. You know, you went to Vegas for the weekend.

Speaker 4 Maybe a lot of those Browns fans made money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they probably did. Yeah.
That's a good point.

Speaker 4 Maybe they bet against the Browns.

Speaker 1 Would have been a great point. Business decision game.

Speaker 4 Also, the Raiders did this without Max Crosby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Max Crosby and Devontae Adams.

Speaker 4 Without Devontae Adams. So Devontae Adams, that feeled, it felt like a weird announcement of his injury, right? It was bad.
Does anybody else get weird vibes about that?

Speaker 1 On Wednesday, I believe it was. They were just like, oh, yeah, these two guys are out.
The best two players on the Raiders. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And to win this game,

Speaker 4 that's the Antonio Pierce factor.

Speaker 1 Memes definitely thinks Devontae Adams is getting traded to the Jets. 100% he thinks that's happening.
Yes. And for what?

Speaker 1 Hasan Reddick.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 I don't hate that. Yeah, the Raiders would have a dominant defensive line, and we would get a dominant receiver.
Three great passers. He'd still throw it to Alan Lazard.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 He'd still throw it to Alan Lazard? Yeah. Well, no, Devontae Adams is just, you know,

Speaker 1 a souped-up souped-up Alan Lazard. It's still Rodgers' guy.
You're right. He's still one-third.
Would you trade Devontae Adams for Garrett Wilson?

Speaker 1 Nah.

Speaker 1 No?

Speaker 1 Nah. I mean, Devontae Adams

Speaker 1 is more accomplished.

Speaker 1 I think I would. Bolder.
I think I would. I think I'd like.

Speaker 1 Saying the contracts are equal,

Speaker 1 it's clear that Aaron Rodgers does not like Garrett Wilson. That is clear.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So get him a guy they like. I think maybe the Raiders have thrown a pick.

Speaker 4 If they traded Hassan Reddick, I would like that move

Speaker 4 for the Raiders to get that guy because they would essentially be building an entire defense out of just pissing off Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 Like, we're going to build our defense just to beat the fuck out of this one guy.

Speaker 1 It would work.

Speaker 1 I think you've got to try to get Devontae Adams to go all in. You're in an all-in mindset, memes.

Speaker 1 You're right. You're right.
We should just get him,

Speaker 1 get Hassan out, not out of the building, just off the team.

Speaker 4 Well, he's not in the building. Yeah, I correct him.
He's never been in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He literally doesn't even know what you guys look like.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 you had a question, PFT?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I had a question for memes. Memes, do you still have Super Bowl aspirations?

Speaker 1 No, because Robert Salah can't prepare for more than two weeks, so we would just lose.

Speaker 4 But the Super Bowl's in a dome.

Speaker 1 It's in a dome, but he has time to prepare, and he can't prepare.

Speaker 4 It's too much time. It's too much time.

Speaker 1 Too much time. If we won the AFC Championship on a Sunday and played on Thursday, we would win.

Speaker 4 Yeah. That's fair.
That's true.

Speaker 1 Unless the other team was coming from a different time zone. That's also true.

Speaker 1 All right, last game. Chiefs, Chargers.
Chiefs, 17, Chargers, 10.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs own the Chargers. This is.

Speaker 1 The Chargers have never beaten the Chiefs in L.A.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs have beaten the Chargers 11 straight times on the road. That's pretty crazy.
11 straight.

Speaker 1 And Justin Herbert was, you know, he played, he gutted it out. No Joe Walt, no Rashawn Slater.

Speaker 1 It was pretty clear the Chargers' offense was hampered, couldn't really do anything after the first quarter. And then we had, obviously, Patrick Mahomes, a big story.

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes threw an interception and then fell into Rashi Rice's knee, and that looked bad.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so Rashi Rice

Speaker 4 is going to be out for a while. Andy Reid said, doesn't look good.
I don't know what the MRI is going to show, but probably nothing good for the Chiefs' offense.

Speaker 4 And now they basically have Travis Kelsey and Xavier Worthy.

Speaker 1 And Xavier Worthy. And Travis Kelsey and Noah Gray.

Speaker 4 And Noah Gray and Carson Steele.

Speaker 1 Doghouse.

Speaker 4 Crocky Jake. Doghouse, Kareem Hunt.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, Carson Steele's Doghouse. He fumbled again.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It was the second fumble in the last three games. He's Doghouse.

Speaker 4 Doghouse.

Speaker 4 What do alligators get put in when they fuck up?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Pair of boots.
Pair of boots. Yeah, a pair of boots.
He's in a pair of boots. Yeah.
It's P. Ryan and Kareem Hunt

Speaker 1 until he gets out of the doghouse.

Speaker 4 So they've got to figure out what they're going to do at wide receiver, though.

Speaker 1 Devontae Adams.

Speaker 4 Devontae Adams. They would never.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs would never.

Speaker 4 What if they got Chris Jones for Devontae Adams? I don't think they would do that. Probably not.
But Chris Jones was a beast today. Yeah, he's a monster.

Speaker 4 Whatever blocking scheme the Chargers dialed up to try to take care of him, it was one-on-one, I think, for the most part. And he was just fucking their lives up at the end.

Speaker 1 It's also pretty clear that these Chiefs are just going to win every game, but it's going to be ugly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They were down 10-0 very fast this game.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, should we get this dial? Are the Chiefs frauds? They haven't beaten any really good teams.

Speaker 1 Ravens.

Speaker 4 That's right, they beat the Ravens. Not frauds.

Speaker 1 And the Bengals, who you think are back.

Speaker 4 But they weren't back when they played the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 They were not dead, though, either.

Speaker 4 That was those Bengals, not these Bengals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, the Chiefs, I think, are just, they know how to win territory. Yeah.
So, speaking of which, Patrick Mahomes just had his 100th career regular season start.

Speaker 1 How many wins does he have out of 100?

Speaker 1 82.

Speaker 1 Close.

Speaker 4 Oh, I was going to say, I think Hank's right.

Speaker 1 78.

Speaker 4 That's pretty good. Pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 78 and 22. That's nice.

Speaker 4 That is very nice for Chiefs fans.

Speaker 1 That's a lot, a lot, a lot of wins.

Speaker 4 He's so good. If it's a one-possession game, the Chiefs are winning.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's just how it goes.

Speaker 1 If they're down at any point in the game, he's winning. I actually think I saw that stat that he's the only quarterback to have a winning record

Speaker 1 overall down. I got to find this stat.
It was crazy. Down 10.

Speaker 1 He's like 13 and 12. That's insane.

Speaker 4 Hold on.

Speaker 1 I got to find this stat because it was nuts.

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Speaker 1 Okay, I can't, I found an old one that's pretty crazy that Patrick Mahomes has a 58% winning percentage.

Speaker 1 This is from two years ago, when losing by 10 plus, and that's a better winning percentage than Joe Burroughs' overall winning percentage. I got to find the better one.

Speaker 1 I think it was like he's 13 and 12 now, I think, when losing by 10. And there was a stat where it was like Tom Brady was...
20 and 60 when losing by 10. It's like it just, it doesn't matter for him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's the best. And he hasn't had statistically his best season.
No.

Speaker 1 And that pass to Xavier Worthy was sick.

Speaker 4 Stats are for losers. That pass to Xavier Worthy

Speaker 4 was just backbreaking if you're a fan of any team but the Chiefs who might play the Chiefs in the playoffs. Yeah.
Because you're like, we can't guard this guy. We can't deal that.

Speaker 1 Do you think... Oh, 12-0.
He's 12-0 in games where they go down by exactly 10 points. That's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 How is that possible?

Speaker 4 Because then he scores a touchdown, and then your defense or your offense then feels pressured and then you punt the ball back and then Harrison Bucker kicks a field goal from 60 yards.

Speaker 1 Also, that was a gym Nance stat and he was wrong. Okay.

Speaker 4 But it sounds good.

Speaker 1 18 and 14 overall when trailing by 10 plus. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 8-5 in games trailing by exactly 10 at some point. Also crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 Can we see Rice go to Germany?

Speaker 4 Yeah. The Audubon over there.

Speaker 1 It is kind of like, if anyone else does that, it's not a big story. Yeah.
Patrick Mahomes throws an interception and then takes out his best receiver in the same play.

Speaker 1 That's just Patrick Mahomes doing Patrick Mahomes things.

Speaker 1 You have to admit that.

Speaker 4 Is Patrick Mahomes stepping in when Goodell wouldn't?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's just, he's doing shit that no one could even think of. Yeah.
Like lumber.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 should we talk real quick about Monday Night Football? We had the double header.

Speaker 1 And this one, I'm very happy we have a a doubleheader because if we had Titans Dolphins alone, we would be in a world of hurt. Yep.
A world of hurt. So, any thoughts?

Speaker 1 I think the Lions are going to be good. They're wearing their all-black uniforms.

Speaker 4 That's all I need to hear. Yep.
I like the Lions.

Speaker 1 And the other game, I don't have a fucking clue who's going to win that game.

Speaker 1 Tyler Huntley, if he plays, maybe the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Scoop.

Speaker 4 Scoop. Is that what they're called? Snoop.
Snoop. Snoop Huntley.

Speaker 1 Who knows who? Like, that game stinks.

Speaker 4 So, interesting fact here: Will levis so he's had some crazy jameis slash full-blooded josh allen type turnovers where he makes like really insanely athletic turnovers and does it in only ways that like a good athlete could do it but they still look ridiculous uh he's only had three turnover worthy plays this year oh that's kind of weird isn't it that is pretty so will levis might not be what determines turnover worthy uh nerds nerds that that watch the game and then log it on a spreadsheet i think at pro football focus i think they're the ones that do it.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But take a look at the match.

Speaker 1 It's like Sam Darnold had a turnover-worthy play when he threw it to the Packer at the beginning of the game today, but he just dropped it.

Speaker 4 So, like, Hank, Patrick Mahomes is actually really good historically at throwing turnover-worthy plays that aren't turnovers.

Speaker 4 And it might be because the defense is so surprised that Patrick Mahomes just threw them a possible interception. Yes.
They freak out and they don't catch it.

Speaker 4 But I get the feeling like Hank doesn't believe in any of that stuff. No snacks.

Speaker 1 It's kind of the same. Turnover luck.
No, it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we do

Speaker 1 Who's Back of the Week? Let's do Who's Back of the Week.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Hank. Who's back of the week?

Speaker 5 Who's back of the week is America, USA. Yeah, we did it.

Speaker 1 Oh, did we win? We won. Won.
Won.

Speaker 5 Might have jinxed them because on Friday, after winning 5-0 Thursday, they lost 5 on Friday, tied it up, but then we dominated Saturday, dominated Sunday.

Speaker 5 Won the President's Cup. We're the President's Cup champions.
Hello.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Can we say world champions?

Speaker 1 No, because we lost Ryder Cup. Yeah.
We're half of the world champions.

Speaker 5 We've got to hold both cups.

Speaker 1 What is the President's Cup against? Who is it against?

Speaker 5 Internationals.

Speaker 1 So everybody except Europe. Asia?

Speaker 5 Asia, Australia, Canada.

Speaker 1 Mexico?

Speaker 4 I think so. South America? I don't think there was South America.

Speaker 5 Vijay?

Speaker 1 Representation. Was Vij there? Did Vijay show up? Vijay's not there.

Speaker 5 Vijay's on the senior tour.

Speaker 1 Vij. That guy's a fucking baller.
He practiced so much.

Speaker 4 Did you see Max Homa's shot today?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Eagled the first. Did you go in?

Speaker 4 Homo had an eagle on one.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah. He was sick, yeah.

Speaker 4 That's what Max does. Then he was slamming Brewskies on the course afterwards.
Hell yeah. Guy's guy.

Speaker 1 So, Ryder, not the Ryder Cup.

Speaker 5 Ryder Cup's next fall, confirmed.

Speaker 1 You confirmed it.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, I just kind of made up what I thought the President's Cup was. That was wrong, but I know for sure.

Speaker 5 And then the next year, 2026, Medina, President's Cup.

Speaker 4 Love that.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice.

Speaker 4 Why did the president decide that we're going to go up against NFL Sunday for his cup?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Because I think they teed off at noon, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that was dumb. Yesterday was Saturday was nice because they had it on in the morning and the afternoon.

Speaker 5 So it was just on all day.

Speaker 5 And then I was hoping Sunday

Speaker 5 was going to be like a wake-up 8 to 12 golf and then football, but they didn't start till 11:40, which was not the smartest.

Speaker 4 I know there's no good way to fix this, but it is kind of bizarre that golf has golf on at the exact times that people want to be out playing golf.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I've always thought that hurts. It should be night golf.

Speaker 4 Yeah, night golf, like your built-in fan base.

Speaker 1 Didn't Tiger try to do that? He did the didn't he do a duel

Speaker 1 in the desert? I want to say duel in the desert.

Speaker 5 Well, they have the golf league coming out soon.

Speaker 1 Duel in the desert.

Speaker 4 Is that the one with Live, where they have the partnership in place?

Speaker 5 No, this is the indoor thing. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's going to be great.

Speaker 1 Sick.

Speaker 1 Cool, Hank. Golf's back.
No,

Speaker 1 it's America.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I think I was right.
Do you have any pride? What? Do you have any pride?

Speaker 1 I don't care about beating

Speaker 1 Asia and who else?

Speaker 5 Australia, Canada.

Speaker 1 No, we got to beat Europe. That's where the fucking...
Those are the guys that we have bad blood with.

Speaker 1 I want to beat Rory.

Speaker 4 There were some very rude spectators this week at the golf. One guy said something disparaging about Scotty Scheffler's wife.
What?

Speaker 4 And then Scotty Scheffler's catty got up in his face, had him kicked out.

Speaker 1 Stu Finer will fuck that guy up.

Speaker 4 He will first, he'll lick your butthole, then he'll lick a clip, then he'll fuck you up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was Monday Night Golf. They did Monday Night Golf from 99 to 2005.
They tried to do this. Tiger did.
And they did a bunch of Monday night

Speaker 1 heads-up battles. Battle of Bighorn.
Sounds like a...

Speaker 1 Is that

Speaker 5 Game of Thrones?

Speaker 1 No, I was going to say that's a Civil War battle. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Battle of Bighorn. Yeah.
So

Speaker 4 why don't they do night golf, but on an actual outside course and use like a glow-in-the-dark ball?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they should.

Speaker 4 Probably tough to broadcast. Cosmic golf.

Speaker 1 Cosmic golf. But then you got to worry about if you're Tiger semen on your pants.

Speaker 4 That's true. Black lights.
Black lights show a lot.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFT, your who's back.

Speaker 4 My who's back of the week. I have a Monday reading for this as well.
Oh, okay. Dumb rule changes.

Speaker 4 And this fits into Monday Night Football where we have the Miami Dolphins who are not playing so well right now.

Speaker 4 I don't know if we talked about this on this show, but this was a Reddit post from two, it looks like 273 days ago.

Speaker 1 Oh, is this the tragedy? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did we talk about that on this page?

Speaker 1 I think we did, but we could read it again.

Speaker 4 I'll rehash a little bit. Should the Miami Dolphins kill five of their players to trigger a disaster draft to improve their roster? Yeah.

Speaker 4 The NFL disaster draft is a contingency plan to be used when five or more players on a team have died or been dismembered.

Speaker 4 In the draft, the team whose players died will be able to draft the amount of players from other teams equivalent to how many they had lost.

Speaker 4 Other teams, though, are only allowed to protect five players from being drafted, but many teams have good six men that are available.

Speaker 4 With the Dolphins having bad contracts on underperforming players such as Xavier Howard, but they could also just kill backups or practice squad players to fill out those five kills to get the disaster draft.

Speaker 4 Also, according to Roger Goodell, the team would also get the first pick in next year's draft. Now, this next draft class isn't crazy, so I could understand their hesitancy.

Speaker 4 And being a repeat offender, that is, killing five players on your team could raise some eyebrows. But this could still greatly improve the Dolphins.
What do you guys think?

Speaker 4 And should any other teams do this, and who should they kill?

Speaker 1 Listen, Bears could do it for some offensive linemen.

Speaker 4 The entire line?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, mean,

Speaker 4 I love these fan loopholes that they find. Disaster.

Speaker 4 Like the former ring-around Steph Curry guys. Yeah.
The Reddit geniuses, there is something. And when your team is in a bad spot, sometimes you just need to start writing fan fiction for yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, this obviously was probably put in place for like an airplane tragedy or something. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 we ended up with just fans being like, what if we just killed some of our players?

Speaker 4 I think it is interesting that they have a disaster draft. Yeah.
That that's a contingency that they have in place. My other who's back of the week is soupy.
It's soup season. Nice.

Speaker 4 I had soup twice this weekend. Hell yeah.
Ramen info. The weather is starting to change a little bit.
October's here. I'm thinking soupy.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm just eating soup. And I might go back to the soup and salad diet every day, which is a great way to lose weight.
I love that. Eat soup or salad for every meal.
I love that. Soup's so good.

Speaker 4 I'm in with you. Soup is delicious.

Speaker 1 What's the weather tomorrow?

Speaker 4 Forecast is soup.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm in.

Speaker 1 I got two who's backs. One is, well, we just need to, we're going to talk college football on Wednesday, but that Georgia-Alabama game was so fucking good.

Speaker 1 And Ryan Williams was literally in the matrix. Some of the moves he made were

Speaker 4 insane. His spin moves are the complete opposite of Trevor Lawrence's.

Speaker 1 I've never seen anyone that he had his back to the defenders. Like he was playing post-up pickup basketball in an SEC football game and still just did a quick move and then got out of it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, credit to Georgia for battling back because a lot of teams would have quit at that point down to Alabama. The dogs.

Speaker 4 The question has to be asked about

Speaker 4 DeBoer or the Crimson Tide better without Nick Saban. Was Nick Saban holding Alabama back?

Speaker 1 There were two gentlemen sitting on this couch to do our college football preview, and they laughed at the idea that Alabama could be really good with

Speaker 1 Jalen Milro and Kalen DeBoer as his coach.

Speaker 4 I like Jalen Miller a lot.

Speaker 1 He's grown on me a lot.

Speaker 4 And he's dynamic.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't be able to run sideways in an SEC football game and get away with it. And he does it multiple times a game because he's that fast.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Carson Beck tried to run sideways a couple times. Didn't work.
No. No.

Speaker 1 I have a theory on Carson Beck.

Speaker 1 I think the tattoos are too much for a quarterback.

Speaker 1 That's just not a quarterback's look.

Speaker 4 You sound like Jerry Richardson, but I agree.

Speaker 1 It's not.

Speaker 4 If you have tattoos on your throwing arms. Right.

Speaker 4 That tells me that you definitely took at least a few hours away from practicing. Correct.
Correct.

Speaker 1 All right. And then my other who's back is our Dingers-only League because

Speaker 1 tomorrow we have the Mets Braves doubleheader. And the Mets Braves doubleheader will be huge because it decides if they split, they both go to the playoffs.
So they should do a gentleman's agreement.

Speaker 1 If one team wins both games, the Diamondbacks will join that team who's won both games in the playoffs. But right now, our Dingers only is set in the fact that Max is so, so bad.

Speaker 1 He was 40 home, almost 40 home runs in last place. So Max will be pitching.
We'll be doing a video. Max will be pitching, trying to get six outs against a college baseball team.
Reach out. Reach out.

Speaker 1 Hit us up.

Speaker 4 The worst part for Max is that he's not going to have Max in center field for him. Correct.
Because Max was the star of last year's. Correct.

Speaker 1 And then second place is the catcher. And right now, PFT is in second place.
He's up one on me.

Speaker 1 But I have Marcel Azuna playing in a doubleheader tomorrow.

Speaker 4 So we could tie. Or I could win.
You could win. Or I could lose.
Or you could lose. And it's all in Azuna.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would rather lose.

Speaker 4 And what terrifies me, he's a much, much better baseball player than he is a human being.

Speaker 1 Yes. And I don't want to catch again.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So I think that pitching is better than catching.

Speaker 1 Yeah, big time.

Speaker 1 Hank, do you agree?

Speaker 4 You seem to nod your head aggressively.

Speaker 1 You're a catcher? Or a pitcher?

Speaker 1 You are a pitcher. Okay, nice.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Max, do you still bring the heat?

Speaker 1 No, never did. Oh, okay.
I like this, Max. That's fine, though.
He's just subdued with like a, he's just got a hangover sitting on top of his brain.

Speaker 1 And he's like, you can see him get angry, but his brain is working so slow that he can't fully get there. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you just hit the nail.

Speaker 1 It's great. I don't know.
It's like, I wouldn't want it all the time, but it's like we almost have a lobotomized max. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Basically how I'm feeling it.

Speaker 4 Max, are you going to train for this?

Speaker 1 No. What? No.

Speaker 4 Because you might have to throw a lot of pitches.

Speaker 1 That's fine. I've

Speaker 1 thrown a lot of pitches in my day. Okay.
You got this, Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it'll be.

Speaker 1 I'll be.

Speaker 1 I'll get smoked, but it'll be fun. It'll be fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It doesn't sound like it's going to be fun. No.

Speaker 4 It was fun last year, though, when Max was in center field.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, for a while. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 Let's wrap up numbers.

Speaker 4 5.

Speaker 1 11. 40.
You want to talk, Carl Anthony Towns quick? Oh, yes. Thank you, James.

Speaker 4 On Friday, it was reported that Cat is going to be traded to the Knicks in exchange for Dante and who? Julius Randle?

Speaker 1 Julius Randle, yes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 memes, you're a fan of the Knicks.

Speaker 4 Was your initial reaction like mine, which is basically that Kat could not be a worse fit for this team?

Speaker 1 My initial reaction was good, and then the follow-up tweet was Dante DiVincenzo was in it, and then I was immediately sad. Yeah.
But Dante DiVincenzo apparently was like the

Speaker 1 one, the out-member of, like, he wasn't, he was the fourth member of the Nova Knicks. Yeah, but he was just such a stud last year.

Speaker 4 He's such a solid piece.

Speaker 1 Do you think Cat is a bad fit just because

Speaker 1 New York is just going to eat him alive?

Speaker 4 I think Tibbs is going to eat him alive.

Speaker 1 But he already had him as a coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was more Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 4 I guess.

Speaker 4 I just don't see Kat fitting in with his Knicks team. Maybe I might be very wrong about this.

Speaker 1 I do think New York's going to eat him alive.

Speaker 4 I've had much worse sports takes in my life.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I agree that it was weird when I saw it, but then I was reading, there was some report that was like Dante DiVincenzo kind of wanted it because he was, he was basically, he had this incredible run last year at the end of the season, and then he was going to get bench minutes.

Speaker 4 He wants to go be the guy.

Speaker 1 And everyone's going to be like, Nova Nicks, Nova Nicks. And he's like, I don't really want to do this anymore.

Speaker 4 Is that true?

Speaker 1 That's what I read. That is.
Like, maybe

Speaker 4 Nova teammates aren't as tight as some people led us to believe.

Speaker 1 I think the Josh Hart, Jalen Brunson, and.

Speaker 1 Dante also had like kind of beef with josh hart at some point like during his tenure at nova so they said that they squashed it but josh hart jalen brunson mikhail mikhail bridges that's the three that's the nova knicks yep dante is on the outside so when you say that new york is going to eat him live what do you mean i think nicks fans are going i mean they were really mean to julius randall and like if cat i just don't

Speaker 1 be dominates

Speaker 1 oh is that true dominates Cat.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's nice, Maxie.

Speaker 1 That's nice. Yeah, the numbers are crazy.

Speaker 4 That's nice. What are the numbers?

Speaker 1 I think Embiid is 8-2 against him, and he's averaging like 30-something a game, and Cat averages, like 21. Like, it's not.

Speaker 1 Let me pull it up. That's nice.
So, memes, your thoughts?

Speaker 1 After looking at the lineup, I think we do match up well against the number one team in the East, which is the Celtics now. And that's the goal of the trade.

Speaker 1 You match up against the best team, see how you fit, and go from there.

Speaker 4 We should have asked Hank first. That was a bad job on my part.
Hank, how do you feel about this trade?

Speaker 5 I don't think it affects much. I think New York's going to eat Cat Alive, to be Cat's point.
And I don't see them, you know, solid team, great. Embiid will probably take his knees out as well.

Speaker 5 And I'm not worried about them in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 They're eating the Cats in New York City.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Carlin D. Town is a really good player, and he does.
I would say the spacing probably should work a little bit better for Jalen Brunson. You'd think, right, Memes?

Speaker 1 Yes, you would think. We currently also don't have Senator Coz and B, you know, twists his knee.

Speaker 4 Embiid twisted his knee?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he twisted his knee. And you guys lost Hartenstein? Hartenstein's on OKC.
Yeah, the Thunder.

Speaker 1 Did MP really twist someone's knee?

Speaker 1 Contact game? Contact game. All right.
Good, good call, memes.

Speaker 4 Numbers: five, forty,

Speaker 1 eleven,

Speaker 1 twenty

Speaker 1 nine, three,

Speaker 1 ninety-nine per PFT and memes. You ever gotten this?

Speaker 4 I have not gotten it.

Speaker 1 21

Speaker 1 74.

Speaker 1 See everyone on Wednesday, Talking Baseball.

Speaker 4 Love you guys.