NFL With Pete Prisco, Outdoor Adventurer Forrest Galante, NFL Head Coach Draft + The Mt Rushmore Reduel

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have a twofer for the people. We got our good friend Pete Prisco

Speaker 1 previewing the NFL season, which is one day away.

Speaker 1 And then we have an awesome interview with Forrest Gallant, who actually we had an interview on the old Barstool Gold days, so a lot of people probably didn't hear it.

Speaker 1 Really fascinating dude. He basically travels the world searching for animals, extinct animals, animals that we haven't seen in

Speaker 1 hundreds of years, swims with sharks. Really, really cool interview in person.

Speaker 1 Like one of those ones that you walk away, you're like, damn, that was very interesting.

Speaker 7 He's in the Naked and Afraid Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's in the Naked and Afraid Hall of Fame. We also have

Speaker 1 the reduel.

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore reduel after both those interviews to finally put an end to the Mount Rushmore season. We're gonna do the Mount Rushmore, uh, and then we are going to find out who lost right after.

Speaker 1 And we've already had the punishments as well, so listen to all of that.

Speaker 1 We're going to do our annual NFL head coaches draft, where we draft what coaches we think are good coaches, and we're going to talk a little preview for the season.

Speaker 1 Maybe pick some NFL awards and our Super Bowl champ.

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The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, September 4th.

Speaker 1 And boys, we are a mere hours away from the NFL season kicking off. We're, what, if you're listening to this in the morning, we're about 40, 36 hours away.
It's back.

Speaker 7 We're ready. It's NFL Eve.

Speaker 1 It's NFL Eve, Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, all rolled up into one.

Speaker 1 I'm ready.

Speaker 7 I'm excited. I'm so excited.
I'm too excited. Yeah.
I'm too excited.

Speaker 7 I found that I've been just pulling random people aside and having conversations with them, and they always roll back to like Jaden Daniels. And I'm always saying the same thing.

Speaker 7 My analysis of Jaden Daniels is identical every time. He's so good.
Yeah. And that's all I've been talking to people about.
And I feel like this is the year it all turns around.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And we have the Thursday night game, the Friday night game, full sleep Sunday.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 A great Monday night nightcap for

Speaker 1 where we might lose a member of the show.

Speaker 7 Yeah, memes. Memes, have you purchased the bomb making supplies just in case?

Speaker 1 Not yet.

Speaker 7 Okay. That's probably smart.
That is smart.

Speaker 1 So we have our Pete Prisco preview. We did our Dan Orlofsky preview yesterday.
We got to do a preview of our own. Should we start?

Speaker 1 Maybe we end with the coach's draft. Or should we start with the coach's draft? Let's do the coach's draft.

Speaker 7 You want to do it right off the bat?

Speaker 7 Now's a coach turnaround for start or end.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because i've i realized the coach draft is fun and we can and it it's it helps preview everything so we're going to do we did this last year we drafted every nfl head coach basically who you trust who you who you believe in and uh we'll put we'll post it it's not a mount rushmore because it's eight picks each but it will be a poll that people can vote on at the end and see who has the best eight pack of nfl head coaches uh how do we want to start who wants to go first max you want to go first sure okay uh pft why don't you go first okay i'll go first and then we'll go are we doing are we doing snake we're going snake okay so it'll be me max hank big cat big cat then back around yes yes

Speaker 7 so this is this is your number one head coach because you have the first pick number one head coach many would say the best coach of all time or at least in the conversation yeah andy reed yes andy reed good pick great coach looks good in shorts i do i i keep going back to just

Speaker 7 the chiefs are going to win it all again i think i feel like this is all leading towards the same conclusion. I'm not going to pick the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 I think I'm going to pick the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 I will end up betting on the Chiefs, but I don't think I'm going to take the Chiefs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just, they're,

Speaker 1 I don't know what, I don't know what's going to stop them.

Speaker 7 It's almost like the more distractions they get in Kansas City, the better they get. Yeah.
And they have the ability to take all the distractions and actually become more focused.

Speaker 1 And the minute you get to the point where you're just saying, oh, well, they're just tired of winning. That's probably why they won't win.
That's not a real reason.

Speaker 7 Not a real one.

Speaker 1 No, no. Not at all.
Okay, Max.

Speaker 2 I am going to go with.

Speaker 1 This is good that we just... We're detoxing from Mount Rushmore season by doing a draft.
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 7 It's totally different.

Speaker 1 It's totally different.

Speaker 2 It's way different. I'm going to go with Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 7 Right off the bat.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hasn't coached the NFL in a while, but obviously.

Speaker 7 National champion.

Speaker 1 Three NFC championships, a Super Bowl appearance.

Speaker 2 Friend of the program.

Speaker 1 Three

Speaker 1 NFC championship appearances. Yeah,

Speaker 1 good friend of the program.

Speaker 7 You think he's going to miss having Connor?

Speaker 2 He doesn't know him.

Speaker 1 I also think there's a chance he could have Connor. Yeah.
We don't know. We don't know.
Okay, Hank. I'm going to go with another good friend of the program, Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 1 Third longest tenured NFL coach, John Harbaugh. Oh, I thought you were going to go with a different friend of the program.
Good pick. Good pick.
Good pick.

Speaker 1 I was going to possibly pick him. All right, so I'll I'll go with the smart kids

Speaker 1 in the same division. I'll take Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan back to back.

Speaker 1 Kyle Shanahan, this is a big year for him.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it feels like this is

Speaker 7 he's got a lot of baggage, a lot of emotional baggage. He's had some tough losses.

Speaker 1 If you want, though, you can make the correlation. Andy Reed is one of the greatest coaches of all time.
For a long time, Andy Reed was Kyle Shanahan, where he was on the Eagles,

Speaker 1 had a lot of really good teams, couldn't get over the hump.

Speaker 1 Kind of goes back to what I always think is good as the coach is, it's always about the quarterback because he got Patrick Mahomes and Kyle Shanahan, he took Jimmy G to a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 That actually might be bigger than a Super Bowl. Yeah.
That might be more impressive than a Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 I love Kyle Shanahan. Like, I think almost every team,

Speaker 7 maybe there might be one or two teams that would take him over their current head coach if everything was equal that we've already said. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's that good. He is.
But he, you know, if he can, maybe Brock Purdy is the quarterback, but that really is, it's funny how it goes down.

Speaker 1 Like Andy Reid, if he just retired after the Eagles, be like, yeah, he was a good coach, never won anything big. And then he has Patrick Mahomes in his life, and he starts winning big.

Speaker 7 Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay, Hank. I'm going to stick with hard-nosed football.
Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 7 Good pick. Nice pick.
Great pick. I had him next to my board.

Speaker 1 We're about to fall off a cliff.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with another vet in the game. Hasn't figured out with this team quite yet, but I think it will, Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Interesting. It was a horrible draft for Max.

Speaker 7 It's a tough love kind of guy. Yeah.
Max doesn't really know good coaches, though. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Bad draft.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 PFT, you got two. Okay.
I'm going to go with

Speaker 7 Dan Campbell. Good pick.
Dan Campbell. Great coach.
Good pick. Love what he's building up there in Detroit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good pick.

Speaker 7 That's a good pick. And we talk about Dan Campbell with Pete Prisco.
I think Pete's wrong about Dan. Yeah, I do too.
I think we're right about Dan. Yes.

Speaker 7 Next, I'm going to go Kevin Stefansky for the show.

Speaker 1 Coach of the Year twice? I think he's...

Speaker 7 Is he? Because the Coach of the Year, it's funny. It's like...

Speaker 1 Matt Nagie wanted Coach of the Year.

Speaker 7 You could give it every year to Bill Belichick when he was in the league or Andy Reid, but it's usually a guy that makes the playoffs that you don't think is going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Two-time coach of the year.

Speaker 7 Which is funny because you could also make the same claim that Kevin Stefanski might be underrated as a head coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think he's a very, very good head coach. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's not bias.

Speaker 7 Did he get a dog for his kids yet?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 7 I need to know about that.

Speaker 1 Follow up with that. Okay.

Speaker 1 Maxi.

Speaker 7 I will go Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What about Mike McDaniel in under 40-degree weather?

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 6 the word I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 You can find it.

Speaker 7 A good point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can find it.

Speaker 2 No, random. They say in the court of law, it's random.

Speaker 1 That was the word you were looking for? No, there's a random. Random? Errone obstruction?

Speaker 10 Erroneous.

Speaker 2 Does that make sense? Erroneous.

Speaker 10 Mike McDaniel, he's got a fun offense. He's got a fun offense.
Erroneous. And it doesn't, and that

Speaker 2 the cold weather doesn't show his actual coaching prowess.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 This is stressing me out.

Speaker 1 There's too many names.

Speaker 1 There's so many names. It's the best part.
Okay. Hank.
I'm going to go with a guy that they kept around for a reason. He must be good.
Matt Eberflus.

Speaker 1 Troll pick. Good pick, Hank.
Troll pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Yeah. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I see what you did there. See what you did there.
They kept him around for

Speaker 1 he has to be good. In the fourth round?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he's.

Speaker 1 If you guys are going to be winning football, right, all right, all right, all right, you have to have a good coach, relax, relax, troll, troll pick.

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't understand how you could be selling yourself so high on the Bears, but not be high on the head coach because it's the players, Jimmys and Joe's, not X's and O's.

Speaker 1 You ever heard that saying? So then we should be doing just a fantasy draft.

Speaker 7 Well, in Big Cat's mind, what's happened this offseason is Maddie Bruflus has said, I'm only going to do defense. Yeah.
And that's it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Shane Waldron's got the offense.

Speaker 7 They're not going to do any offense, game management. I don't know who's going to take over in that department.

Speaker 1 You won't even manage to know what games he'll have figured it out this offseason. Yeah, I have question marks.
There's question marks. We'll find out.
We'll find out.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, I wanted Jim Harbaugh. I recruited Jim Harbaugh.
My recruiting fell short. All right.

Speaker 1 Let's go with Matt LaFleur, friend of the program, and a guy I'm very high on, D'Amico Ryans.

Speaker 6 Oh, I had both those guys.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good pick. Yeah, so I'm going with the young guns.
Okay, I like that. A lot of the young guns.
Hank, this is where we fall off a cliff. I don't think so.
I've been sold a lot on this guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was saying more is just in the fact that we can't remember who we picked. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 This is another guy, big expectations.

Speaker 1 He's a veteran in the league, Dan Quinn. Okay.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Back-to-back troll. So Matt Ebrafu's better coach than Dan Quinn, though.
Yeah. Yeah, because you picked him earlier.

Speaker 7 Turn your hat backwards when you say that. What do you like about Dan Quinn?

Speaker 1 Defensive, hard-nosed, gritty. He's going to get the players going.
Yeah, he's great offense.

Speaker 1 Great offense. Went to a Super Bowl.
Went to a Super Bowl. Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Had a 25-point lead in a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one of the best teams of all time.

Speaker 7 That's very hard to do. Yeah.
It is. How many teams?

Speaker 1 Kind of like Kyle Shanahan taking Jimmy G. Those actually should be Super Bowls.

Speaker 7 How many teams, and those two guys are not related whatsoever in that Super Bowl, Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan?

Speaker 1 Not at all.

Speaker 7 With Dan Quinn building that 25-point lead against one of the greatest teams ever and the greatest player ever, that should actually count as two Super Bowls. Two Super Bowls.
That's so hard to do.

Speaker 7 Super Bowls.

Speaker 7 Multi-time Super Bowl-winning coach Dan Quinn, kind of.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Max is in the booth.
He's taking off his shoes and socks to try to count to 10 here.

Speaker 1 It's stressful. There's a lot going on.

Speaker 1 Every time I look up, he's just freaking out.

Speaker 2 Well, there's so many names. I thought we were just going to do four.
And then

Speaker 2 all the names really just got to me. I'm going to get ahead of Hank's troll picks, and I'll go to Nick Siriani.

Speaker 1 Smart. You blocked the troll.
How are you feeling about Nick Siriani?

Speaker 2 All in. He's going to be a leader of men this year.
We got good guys around him. This is the year.
This is the year that he gets it done.

Speaker 1 It's actually funny because leader of men this year. The five of them

Speaker 1 in past years.

Speaker 2 Last year he didn't do a great job

Speaker 2 leading men, but this year he's back leading men.

Speaker 7 What's the most important part about leading a man?

Speaker 2 Just showing a good example of what it's like to be a man.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 Such as.

Speaker 1 So would you say Dom is the head coach then?

Speaker 2 No, but having a good guy like that by your side shows that that you know good guys to be around.

Speaker 1 But if you have Dom next to you, everyone's going to look and they're like, hey, there's Nick Siriani and Dom. That's a man.

Speaker 1 That's whatever it is.

Speaker 2 It's a team game. It's not one person.
It's just like showing a good surrounding in the organization of leadership. And Nick Siriani is at the head of that.

Speaker 1 Not Dom.

Speaker 2 Dom's right there. He's always next to him.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So like when you're looking at Siriani, you're also looking at Dom.

Speaker 1 But also with Nick Siriani, it's like you can't look at Nick Siriani without looking at Dom.

Speaker 7 He's always there. But Nick Siriani can't be a man without a real man behind him.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 7 It's like, oh, I have to have my... But that's true.

Speaker 7 My dad follows me around in case I get into any trouble.

Speaker 1 Nick Siriani is basically one of those TikTokers that goes to the mall and tries to fight people and then their security guard steps in.

Speaker 7 It's like Robin Big.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, but it takes good leadership to know that good leadership is

Speaker 1 you need a bodyguard at all times. Right.
Yep.

Speaker 7 It takes someone who's very honest about them not themselves not being a man to admit they're not. That's not what I said.

Speaker 1 That's not what I said.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to go with Big Dom. Okay.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go with Big Dom, and then I will take.

Speaker 1 Are we allowing Big Dom? No, we're not allowing Big Dom.

Speaker 7 We should.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'll take

Speaker 7 Zach Taylor.

Speaker 7 People forget. People forget about Zach Taylor.

Speaker 7 I think he's a very good coach. I do, too.
He kind of flies under the radar in Cincinnati a little bit. And he did a good job without Joe Burrow when he was hurt.
I think he's a very good coach.

Speaker 7 Next up, I'm going to go with Doug Peterson. Super Bowl winner.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl winner. He won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Yeah, a lot of people say that it couldn't be done in Philly. Doug Peterson did it.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl winner. Good night.
No, that's a good picture.

Speaker 7 And then they ran him out of town.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Shouldn't have. Good guy.
I'm going to go with Shane Steichen.

Speaker 1 Ah, good pick.

Speaker 7 That's a good pick.

Speaker 1 Good pick.

Speaker 1 Good pick.

Speaker 1 Has anyone taken Antonio Pierce? No. And I will do that.
Good pick. End of the program.
Okay. Those boys fired up.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I will go with,

Speaker 1 no, I don't want him. Oh, I'll go with the newcomer.
We don't know what he is yet, but if we're basing it off of his defense last year, I think he's going to be a very good head coach.

Speaker 1 I'll take Mike McDonald. Yep.
Seattle Seahawks head coach. I think he is going to be a very good head coach.

Speaker 1 And then I will also take,

Speaker 1 this is where we, yeah, I'm lost. Oh, you know what? Friend of the program.

Speaker 1 Yeah, some of the seasons haven't gone very well at the end, but he's got his team competing every single year. Four AFC East Championships.
Sean McDermott. Good pick.

Speaker 1 They've won four AFC East Championships.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and if you look at what the Bills were before McDermott compared to with him, obviously Josh Allen made a big difference too, but he's done a good job when he's not making 9-11 references.

Speaker 1 He's 73 and 41 as a head coach. Yeah.
That's pretty damn good in the NFL, in the National Football League. I will go with a newcomer.

Speaker 1 Newcomer, unknown, but based on his defense last year, I think he's going to be good.

Speaker 1 Jared Mayo. Oh, okay.
Nice.

Speaker 1 You got all the guys.

Speaker 7 Nice. Good pick, Hank.
Memes is just sick. Couldn't help but notice that you took Antonio Pierce before Mayo.

Speaker 1 And Matt Eberflus and Dan Quinn.

Speaker 7 Yeah, what's interesting about Pierce is Pierce actually.

Speaker 1 Well, Matt Eberflus

Speaker 1 kept him around for a reason.

Speaker 7 And you know that.

Speaker 1 Dan Quinn and Dan Quinn went to a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I hate you so much.

Speaker 7 And you know that Antonio. Antonio Pierce came on the show.

Speaker 1 If Mayo came on the show, I would have taken him before.

Speaker 7 Well, Antonio Pierce is is such, he was such a good player that he beat maybe the best team of all time in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 You remember that?

Speaker 1 I do. He did beat probably the best team of all time in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Well, that means they're actually not the best team of all time because he lost.

Speaker 1 I said probably. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 2 This is where I think that I screwed something up. Someone picked Kevin O'Connell, right?

Speaker 1 No. No? Got him.

Speaker 1 I had him on my list. I had him on my list.
He's a good pick. I think he's a very good coach.

Speaker 1 Don't we all have every person on our list?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm actually looking at just the Wikipedia of list of current NFL quarterback coaches.

Speaker 7 We had them on our list.

Speaker 9 I freaked out.

Speaker 2 I just started writing everyone's name down. I've been crossing things.
I'm like Charlie from Always Sonny right now with this list.

Speaker 7 You're like Memento?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm flustered.

Speaker 1 Kevin O'Connell's a good coach. Yeah.
And I think if Sam Donald, this is going to be the year.

Speaker 7 Seven-year bump. We spaced on Kevin O'Connell.
Yeah. That's all that was.

Speaker 1 I did have, I was looking at his name, but Sean McDermott has done more in the NFL. Okay.

Speaker 1 PFT, you have two picks.

Speaker 7 I get two picks now.

Speaker 1 And then we're getting to the end end.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we are getting to the end end right now.

Speaker 1 There's a big fat elephant in the room.

Speaker 7 I know, and I don't want to take it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with

Speaker 7 Raheem Morris. Okay.
Falcons. I think the Falcons are going to be spicy this year.
Raheem Morris,

Speaker 7 he had a 25-point lead in the Super Bowl against the New England Patriots at one point. Yes.
People forget that.

Speaker 6 Yes, that's true.

Speaker 7 So I'm going to take him, and then I'm going to go

Speaker 7 with Brian Callahan.

Speaker 1 Nice. I like Brian Callahan.
Also, AWL.

Speaker 7 Is he really? Yes. I like Brian Callahan a lot.
Obviously, he hasn't done anything as a head coach yet, but it's him. You get him and his dad as a package deal, both Callahan's.
Big Tom, Little Brian.

Speaker 7 I don't know if his dad's probably not Tom Callahan. It's Tommy Boy, I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 He's just off the board.

Speaker 7 But his dad is maybe the best offensive line coach in the NFL. Yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 1 That's a fact. Okay.
There's like three names that I don't want to pick that I'm just hoping I can play it correctly.

Speaker 7 Just hold your breath. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with Jonathan Gannon.

Speaker 1 Bew, bew, bew. Bew, bew, bew.

Speaker 4 Explosives.

Speaker 2 He was underratedly not that bad last year.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, I actually am high on the Cardinals offense this year.
I think that's going to be a fun watch. Very fun watch.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 Listen, fellas, winning a Super Bowl in this league is tough. Oh, he's doing it.
You need someone with Super Bowl with the business. Cowboy experience stands up.

Speaker 1 You need someone that's had that experience. He's going to, you know, get the boys through the long playoff run.
Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 1 Long playoff run. Good one.

Speaker 7 I don't think he's ever been on a long run.

Speaker 1 Long, long playoff run.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 This is fun. How are you guys doing this without crossing names out?

Speaker 1 Because I'm just looking at who

Speaker 1 we were doing it.

Speaker 9 But how do you just remember?

Speaker 1 Listening? All right, I'm going to assume.

Speaker 7 I'm going to have some guys that we don't want to take. We're just hoping that somebody else takes them.

Speaker 1 I'm going to pick one of

Speaker 1 probably the most vocal, boisterous guys out there,

Speaker 1 leader of men, Todd Bowles. Todd Bowles.
Back-to-back. NFC South Championships.
Anyone?

Speaker 7 Yeah, Todd Bowles. He used to be one of the top 10 coaches in the league.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. He used to be.

Speaker 1 And then, you know what?

Speaker 1 I'll do it just for Memesy. I'll take Robert Salah.

Speaker 1 Robert Salah.

Speaker 1 Bald head. I think Robert Salah would have been fired if he didn't have a bald head.

Speaker 7 You think if he had hair?

Speaker 1 I think if he had hair, he would have already been fired. I think the bald head, you just see it, and it's like power.
He's a two-inch shiny bald.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just think there's something about him, the aura.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think that you've noticed this in the offseason with Salah. He's had it.
He's like sick of talking to people.

Speaker 7 Everything. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's got a win for his own mental health. Which I like a coach backed in the corner.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's definitely in that fight or flight right now. And it seems like everything that's been going on with the team has been nothing to do with actual football.

Speaker 7 And so he is probably just, he's wishing that somebody would ask him a question. He's missing the days about answering relentless questions about Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 He misses that.

Speaker 7 He's sick of talking about his quarterback going to Egypt and a guy that's on the team that's not on the team. He just wants to be able to get mad at the media for treating his quarterback unfairly.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'd agree. Okay, Hank, last round.
I think there's a better bald-headed coach in New York with championship experience,

Speaker 1 Brian Dable.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 You see, Brian Dable is taking back play calling responsibilities this year. Oh, just announced that.

Speaker 7 I don't know if this was a thing that happened earlier in the offseason they agreed on, or if it was like the preseason sucked. So

Speaker 7 that would be a panic move if they flipped it up right now. But yeah, he's back calling plays, which is, if you look at the trajectory, I'm not saying he's going to be fired.

Speaker 7 I like Brian Dable, but the trajectory of a coach who's on his way to being fired, it does involve the play calling duties going back and forth. Yeah.
Brian Dable has six rings.

Speaker 1 Straight crazy. Stud.
Five Super Bowls in the college football national champion for Alabama 2017.

Speaker 1 Stud.

Speaker 1 Brian Dable should remake the MJ picture with his rings.

Speaker 1 That'd be cool. Okay.
There's two left.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with Dave Canalis.

Speaker 1 Yay, PFT got the stinky one.

Speaker 2 I watched a clip of him on X yesterday talking about whether he was going to go with a bell cow approach or a committee approach at running back.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 that's what I got on him. That's literally.
That was the first time I'd seen the man's face, and I'd be like, who's this guy?

Speaker 9 And then I was like, oh, this is the Panthers.

Speaker 1 And the cookbook.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the cookbook. He wrote a book about...
cheating on his wife.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 Love it.

Speaker 7 We actually should do...

Speaker 1 Wait, don't love it. You don't...

Speaker 7 Well, no, you don't love him apologizing for cheating on his wife? It was an apology book.

Speaker 1 Oh, love it. Yeah.
It wasn't like, oh, dude, my wife doesn't even know I'm writing this book.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I read the first chapter of it, which was like, listen, I fell asleep, and when I woke up, I was in my wife's friend's bed, and I don't know how it happened.

Speaker 2 Fake news. That doesn't mean cheating.

Speaker 7 So we're taking Dave Canalis over Dennis Allen. Be honest, did you forget about Dennis Allen, Max?

Speaker 1 No, I had him on here.

Speaker 2 I just

Speaker 2 honestly saw that he was a coach for five years of the Saints, and I didn't even know that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's just kind of.

Speaker 2 He's like a big nothing guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's nothing. He's got no picture on Wikipedia.

Speaker 7 He's been

Speaker 7 a picture.

Speaker 1 He's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a total nothing.

Speaker 7 Can you imagine living in New Orleans for five years and not doing anything noteworthy at all?

Speaker 2 It's crazy.

Speaker 1 He's just, and his name is boring, too. Yeah.
It's two first names. It's like, oh, yeah, Dennis Allen.
Like, if you pulled 100 people,

Speaker 1 I think the majority would still say Sean Payton. You think so? Yeah, if you did, like, one of those drunk Nashville videos.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it just kind of seems like they've been 10 guys in New Orleans making the decisions, and then Allen is just the guy that stands on the sidelines nodding his head. Yeah, figurehead.

Speaker 1 Okay, that was a good draft. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Got me pumped up for the season. I'm very excited.
I'm going to read this Dave Canalis book. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so what else do we want to do? Any other predictions? Book report. I'll do a book report on it.
I I like the idea, PFT,

Speaker 1 we should do a round of just

Speaker 1 what's the worst thing that could happen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 For each of us.

Speaker 1 Do we want to do that? It's scary.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Confront your fears, though.

Speaker 1 Or should we do it for each other? You want me to start?

Speaker 7 What if Hank just says it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, all of us. Do it for all.
Hater Hank, yeah. Hater Hank.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, Hank, you're good at this. Most devastating thing that could happen to us as a fan.

Speaker 1 No, no, you guys have to do it for yourselves. Look within.
Look within yourself.

Speaker 1 You just want to get get mad at me, but you need to look deep within and face your irrational fears that you guys have set upon yourselves for this season. They all start.
PFT alluded to it.

Speaker 1 I think the worst case scenario for the Patriots this year is eight wins.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 you motherfucker. That was such a tricky thing you did.

Speaker 1 Oh, you played it well. You played that well.

Speaker 1 That would be like, I'm going to the season. We're trying to.
We've got to rebuild. If you're going to rebuild, you guys know.
No, you can recalibrate.

Speaker 1 it starts with the draft.

Speaker 1 I'm recalibrating. Eight wins wouldn't get us to the playoffs.
It wouldn't get us a good draft position.

Speaker 1 It would just be a little bit too much of a tease.

Speaker 7 Actually,

Speaker 7 that's not a bad point, except you are rebuilding and you've got a young quarterback, but going eight and nine when you have an established quarterback, that's the worst thing that can happen.

Speaker 1 What about nine wins? It's still not playoffs. What about ten wins? If we make it to the playoffs, we make it to the playoffs, then anything can happen.
Right. You get in the dance.
Right.

Speaker 1 So he wins. It's a good pick.
It's a good pick, PFT.

Speaker 7 I'm going to say

Speaker 7 the stadium falling apart and critically injuring Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 pretty devastating.

Speaker 7 Like having shit come out of the showers and him getting MSRA, MRSA, whatever it is.

Speaker 7 Both realistic things that could happen at FedEx Field. Oh, excuse me.
Northwest Federal Credit Union.

Speaker 1 Field.

Speaker 7 Northwest. They're calling it the Fed, which I think is a kind of a shitty nickname, but whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. The worst thing could happen for me,

Speaker 1 I don't think it's as easy as being like, oh, Caleb Williams is not the guy. I think it would be

Speaker 1 back on the roller coaster, very up and down,

Speaker 1 and then week 18,

Speaker 1 chance to make the playoffs against the Packers, and he does his nails, and then like epically lose, and Jordan Love goes and wins the Super Bowl. Yeah, that would be it.

Speaker 1 That'd be pretty bad. That'd be pretty bad.
That would be, yeah.

Speaker 1 But, like, not

Speaker 1 like, oh, he's just bad. It's like the roller coaster of back and forth where it's like, there's just more bad than good.
Austin Fields.

Speaker 2 If the defense keeps you in games and, like, Caleb Williams isn't really down a ton.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then that, yeah, that week 18 scenario would be a nightmare. Like, the Packers, maybe it's week 18.
The Lions have already clinched the NFC North, so it's week 18 for the last wildcard spot.

Speaker 1 And then the Packers get it and go on a run and win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Or what if

Speaker 7 our wildcard spot? With the Steelers go on a run with Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting. Well, I want Justin Fields to play because then our draft pick gets better.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 But if Justin Fields won a Super Bowl with the Steelers, how would you feel about that?

Speaker 1 I'd be happy for Justin.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's a good one. I'd be very happy for Justin.
I'd be very happy for Justin.

Speaker 1 I'd be extremely happy for Justin. I don't think...

Speaker 7 That might actually make you log off. I'd be happy for Justin.

Speaker 1 There's two things about me. Two things about me.
I love Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 I love Ben the Dog.

Speaker 1 Two things about me.

Speaker 1 You can put those two in the back.

Speaker 7 I think you would log off. I think you would actually

Speaker 7 do the fake hack thing.

Speaker 7 You would seek out a scheme and get hacked on purpose.

Speaker 1 The first one is worse than the second one. Justin Fields winning a Super Bowl would hurt way less than Jordan Love taking the Bears playoff spot and then winning a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 That would be way more painful. Way, way more painful.
Justin Fields would hurt, but I would just be like,

Speaker 1 I'd be the meme with the smiley face crying behind it and being like, I love Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 He's a great dude. I'm so happy for him.
That's just what I would say over and over until I had a nervous breakdown. Max.

Speaker 2 We don't actually believe that these things are.

Speaker 1 No, it's the worst thing that could happen for you.

Speaker 2 I think it's simply... If Jalen Hurts can't have another bad year.

Speaker 2 He has to have a good year.

Speaker 7 Would it be worse if he had an average year?

Speaker 1 You'd rather have a good year and lose in the Super Bowl or have a bad year.

Speaker 7 That's what I'm saying. Or he gets to the Super Bowl and you lose again.

Speaker 2 Right now, I'm going to say losing the Super Bowl because then it's like, all right, now you know, like, he got to the Super Bowl twice.

Speaker 1 He's a Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Then he becomes can't win the big one.

Speaker 2 But can't win the big one's not a terrible spot to bid.

Speaker 1 It's pretty bad. Ask Tam Marino that.

Speaker 2 Ask Peyton Manning that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then he won the big one. Yeah, correct.
But what if he's not?

Speaker 1 Not at this point in his career.

Speaker 1 We're saying this year.

Speaker 1 What if he could never win the big one?

Speaker 7 Do you think he enjoyed the phase of his career where he couldn't win the big one?

Speaker 2 But that's not worse than him

Speaker 2 playing badly, and then you're like, oh, shit, this was our guy that we have. Because he's going to play well enough that you're not going to be in a rebuilding situation.

Speaker 2 Like, he needs to be good enough to win a Super Bowl. Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is a big year for this podcast in football. outside of Hank.
I think you

Speaker 2 this is a huge for the Eagles. It's, it's like a make-or-break year.
Like, if they.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's, yeah, it is a make-or-break year.

Speaker 2 Like, at least your two teams, it's like, oh, you have young. Oh, I mean, I mean, Hank's team fucking sucks.

Speaker 2 But, like, your two teams, at least it's like, okay, we're moving in the right direction. Yeah.
Like, the Eagles could just take it.

Speaker 2 I don't think this is going to happen, but we're talking worst-case scenario. Like,

Speaker 2 it could be bad of going in the wrong direction.

Speaker 7 This could be a bad year in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's going to happen,

Speaker 1 but it's possible.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And

Speaker 2 it scares me. Hank,

Speaker 2 you're going nowhere.

Speaker 1 That's fine. Go on the top of the draft.
Just won an NBA championship. Six Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 We're chilling.

Speaker 7 The funny thing is that no matter how bad things get, I think Memes has the most rock bottom worst case scenario by far. I mean, he'd become a terrorist.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Yeah, memes, outside of having to kill yourself with a suicide vest, what's the worst thing that could happen this year? Just him getting hurt at all.

Speaker 6 Because I think even if he sucks, it's better than watching Tim Boyle.

Speaker 7 That season last year was the worst season of all time.

Speaker 1 Tyron. Do you know what the craziest thing about, like, in the eve of the NFL season, the craziest thing that can be said right now for this podcast?

Speaker 1 Because you know what me and PFT think about our guys. You know, Max is very excited.
He thinks what happened at the end of last year is not going to happen again.

Speaker 7 I don't know that Max is excited, though. I think he's excited.

Speaker 7 I think he's nervous.

Speaker 1 He might be nervous.

Speaker 7 I think he's got nerves going into this season.

Speaker 1 But the craziest thing, I think Memes is by far and away the most confident person in his team, and his team is the New York Jets. Yeah.
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, the roster's loaded.

Speaker 1 Memes is like, this is going to be an incredible team.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, it doesn't. He might be right.
It doesn't sound good, though, saying the worst possible scenario is that if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt at all, because he's 40 years old, basically 41.

Speaker 1 Almost 42.

Speaker 7 Just banking on him not ever getting hurt seems like you're setting yourself up for devastation.

Speaker 6 No, he's just not going to get hurt.

Speaker 2 Memes is the wildest fan.

Speaker 2 Memes always thinks best case scenario at all times. Like, he tells me every single day that the Mets are going to win the NL East.

Speaker 4 They could still come back.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. To win the NL East? Yes.

Speaker 6 They play the Phillies seven times. They're down.

Speaker 1 How many games do they down? Seven and a half? Yeah. Okay.
So he's going to win all of them. Yep.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Anything else before we do hot seat cool thrown?

Speaker 1 Do you want to go Super Bowl winners?

Speaker 7 You want to do MVPs?

Speaker 1 I have Matt Stafford. It's off the board.
I mean, it's not off the board, but it's a little bit of a dark horse.

Speaker 7 I got Jared Goff.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 7 So do I. I got Jared Goff.
So here's a fun stat about Jared Goff.

Speaker 7 14 out of his 17 games are in a dome.

Speaker 9 He's a lot of dome.

Speaker 7 Dome's dome. He loves dome.
It's going to be dome fast. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that pick. I like that pick.

Speaker 7 And what are his odds? I think they're like 25 to 1, something like that. 30 to 1.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he only has like three bad weather games. Or maybe it's two bad weather games because one of the third, I can't remember.

Speaker 7 Well, he's got the two NFC North games. Right.

Speaker 1 And they're later in the season. I can't remember what the other outdoor game was.

Speaker 1 But yeah. And if they, you know, if they, if they're the number one seed, you could just play the whole season in Dome, which would be awesome for our friend Jared.

Speaker 1 He has, oh, yeah, the other. So the third outdoor game is against the 49ers.

Speaker 7 So that one. That's not bad at all.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He plays the Bears in December, late December, and he plays the Packers in early December.

Speaker 7 I got something fun to be on.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, actually, the Packers are in early November, so that might not even be bad weather either.

Speaker 7 So I was thinking about Comeback Player of the Year, right? Because it feels like

Speaker 7 if you'd asked me like three weeks ago, it felt like Aaron Rodgers seems like he would be the shoe-in for comeback player of the year.

Speaker 7 Now we've got a couple wild cards. Ricky Pearsall from the 49ers

Speaker 7 got shot during an attempted robbery in San Francisco, got the gun from the guy, shot the guy that was trying to rob him.

Speaker 1 He got shot through the chest.

Speaker 7 He got shot through the chest, and then shot the robber. And he goes to the hospital.
He's out 24 hours later.

Speaker 7 The next day, he's at the facility working out.

Speaker 1 Shot through the chest. I don't even understand that.

Speaker 7 It doesn't make any sense. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that seems like a comeback player of the year.

Speaker 7 It seems like he's a dog. Yeah.
Seems like he's a dog. And then I was reminded that Tank Dell also got shot this offseason.

Speaker 7 And he's fine. So now you've got two guys who got shot battling for comeback player of the year potentially at wide receiver.

Speaker 7 But Pierce Hall got shot through the chest, and he shot the guy that shot him.

Speaker 1 What about a couple other, like, what about Kirk Cousins? Kirk Cousins, not about Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of guys in the back field. Yeah, we had a lot of injuries last year.
Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 7 If Anthony Richardson gets hurt this season, and I want him to, and Flacco gets in and goes on a run, could Flacco win back-to-back comeback players of the year?

Speaker 1 He could. I think he could.
DeMar Hamlin could. Yeah.
Still?

Speaker 7 Coming back from the punt?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 we lost so many quarterbacks last year that this is a stack, stack field. Yeah, I mean, Justin Herbert, could he?

Speaker 1 Why not? Yeah. Comeback Player of the Year.
I'm looking right now.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold's list. Oh, Nick Chubb?

Speaker 1 Nick Chubb.

Speaker 7 He probably won't be back until like midway through the season.

Speaker 1 I heard different reports. What did you heard?

Speaker 1 I heard from an insider. Careful, Hippo.
It might be because I drafted him in the fantasy league that he's the commissioner of, but I I heard that

Speaker 1 Nick Chubb,

Speaker 1 if they could have, he could have played as early as week one with a few touches, but they thought it'd be safer just to put him on the pup.

Speaker 7 So your inside information is that he feels good.

Speaker 1 Could play right now. Could play right now.
Could play right now, report it. A couple touches.
Could play right now.

Speaker 1 Right now.

Speaker 1 Like right this second, if we're like, hey, Nick Chubb, carry this football done.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so I'm still going to go with the gunshot guys. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I feel like Ricky Pierce. That's just a crazy story.

Speaker 1 Crazy. And he's a rookie, so he just has to have like an average rookie season to be comeback player of the year.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, can you come back?

Speaker 7 Can you get comeback player of the year as a rookie?

Speaker 6 I don't know. I don't really.

Speaker 7 I think you can if you're coming back from being shot in the chest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so. I don't think so.
I think so. He got shot through

Speaker 1 the year. Through the chest.
Through the chest.

Speaker 1 All right, what's your Super Bowl picks?

Speaker 1 I have Chiefs over Lions.

Speaker 7 I got Lions over Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like that. I'd much prefer that.

Speaker 2 Eagles over Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Oh, a little revenge.

Speaker 2 It'll be the same story arc as the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Same story arc that

Speaker 1 tickets, two tickets that you.

Speaker 1 No, that's that story arc. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no. If the Eagles are in the Super Bowl, we're doing the same deal.
You're going to get drunk the night before. You're going to drink champagne.
You're going to wear the pants.

Speaker 1 We're going to make fun of you. We're going to throw your phone in the water.
We're going to puke our fire.

Speaker 1 We're literally just going to play it back.

Speaker 1 People love the first version.

Speaker 2 I think the city of Philadelphia would legitimately murder me.

Speaker 2 I think they would assassinate me.

Speaker 1 We made him put on the pants.

Speaker 7 I mean, but what a story that would be. It's like Max has the opportunity to either win a Super Bowl or probably get killed.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a high-stakes story.

Speaker 1 Hank, you're a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 I kind of had what PFT had, so I don't want to copy it. I'll think of best case content for this show.

Speaker 1 Bills losing to the Packers. Oh, you.

Speaker 7 Why? Why is that best case?

Speaker 1 He knows he's just.

Speaker 1 Listen, there's a theme. Hank's had it out for me this week.
I think what it is is as soon as Hank is blaming the end of summer on me.

Speaker 1 I think that's what it is. No, that's just a fact.
That's the best case. Tyler Van Dyke.

Speaker 1 Matt Eberflues.

Speaker 1 The Wisconsin thing was coincidence. I just happened to be watching that.

Speaker 1 I am now

Speaker 1 held accountable for the calendar changing. I think that's what's happening.
I don't think the Bears, like, the best case, obviously, would be the Bears or the

Speaker 1 Commanders making the Super Bowl. I don't think they're there yet.
Okay. A couple years away.
What about Matt Eber both?

Speaker 7 Dan Quinn and Matt Eberf.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we kept them around for a reason. Right, but I don't think a rookie QB would be.
That'd be impressive,

Speaker 1 but I don't think it's going to happen this year.

Speaker 1 So for the content's sake of the show, I guess Eagles losing.

Speaker 1 Who would be good for the Eagles to lose to? Eagles losing to the Bills would be good. What about Eagles losing to the Jets?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Memes,

Speaker 4 that would be the two.

Speaker 1 I mean, we would all have to go to the Super Bowl with them. Yeah.
And just sit there and just watch them.

Speaker 1 That would get awkward.

Speaker 2 What do you mean? I don't know.

Speaker 2 It would get uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 In the booth? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 it would be great. Holy shit.
We would just flip. We'd flip all the cameras for a couple weeks afterwards, where the show is like, we're just sitting here, we're the booth, and you guys are the show.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Oh, that would be great.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 That would be a pick. What a pick.

Speaker 1 Okay, memes, what's your pick? Jets Eagles. Okay, great, great, great.

Speaker 1 That's such a good pick. You guys are uncomfortable right now thinking about it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm a little bit uncomfortable too, because you know what Max would do to memes.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 7 It'd be bad.

Speaker 1 No, I think memes.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 2 Memes would make memes would make meme angrier.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 7 and then you'd do something bad.

Speaker 1 We'd probably fight.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it would get bad.

Speaker 1 It would get physical?

Speaker 7 Max, you know what?

Speaker 1 It would be awkward. I'm going to say right now, I don't have the power to do this, but I'll talk to Dave.

Speaker 1 I think that if the Jets and Eagles play in the Super Bowl, I think physicality is allowed. Like, we'll just rip up the contracts in, like, a one-week,

Speaker 1 like, if one of you punches the other person, that no repercussions.

Speaker 7 Physicality is allowed. Or they have to watch the Super Bowl with giant inflatable boxing gloves.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 At all times.

Speaker 7 Or, no, like, they grease up the light poles in Philly. We'll just grease memes up.
So you can't really get a good hit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it would be a good story for the show where it's just like, yeah, remember when the Eagles and Jets played in the Super Bowl and memes and Max got in a fist fight?

Speaker 2 that would be no good

Speaker 1 I would be I want to see you guys fight so bad that'd be no good

Speaker 1 oh all right do we want to do least improved player yeah least improved player Dak

Speaker 1 I like that I just don't think it's it's not gonna be any different maybe he's gonna be fine make a make a graphic for our whole show least improved player part of my take Dak Prescott Dak Prescott yes yes perfect we have five votes yeah he's I mean I'm not I'm not saying he's gonna have a bad season no he's just not gonna improve at all yeah unanimous on the ground unanimous unanimous

Speaker 1 funny yeah

Speaker 1 hank do you agree i was thinking jalen hurts but i'm fine with unanimous okay oh jalen hurts oh damn he had just ruined unanimous he had my second place

Speaker 1 he had my second place vote yeah uh all right let's do hot seat cool throw and then we'll get to our interviews we got more football with pete prisco and then an awesome interview with force gallant

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Speaker 7 Hank, your hot seat cools around.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is the USC Trojans. Oh.

Speaker 1 College football's back. College football hype videos are back.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And USC posted a video before their game

Speaker 1 where they were

Speaker 1 in a Trojan horse,

Speaker 1 but USC was inside the Trojan horse. Okay.

Speaker 1 But the Trojan horse story is how the Greeks used the Trojan horse to defeat the Trojans.

Speaker 7 To defeat the Trojans. Yeah, I got you.
But they're taking it back.

Speaker 1 So USC did a video where the Trojans were in a Trojan horse going

Speaker 7 to defeat the Greeks?

Speaker 1 Greeks? Or Notre Dame or whoever it was.

Speaker 1 LSU. LSU didn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 College football expert.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's, I mean, that's interesting, but it's like they learned from their mistake, so now they developed it as their own weapon.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But why would you, why would the Trojans deliver a tro? Like, who wants a Trojan gift if you're not a Trojan?

Speaker 7 True. Yeah, if you brought...
the Greeks a bunch of, like a Trojan horse, they'd be like, we've got like seven Trojan horses back there. We use one in each war.
Yeah. We know this trick.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's the dumbest prank to ever succeed, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I'll take this giant horse for some reason that you're dropping off.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I want this horse in my house.

Speaker 7 I'll put it right in the middle of our town.

Speaker 1 Makes no sense.

Speaker 7 And then we're all going to get drunk and celebrate and pass out around the horse like Burning Man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Trojans deserve to lose that one. Yeah, they got the wool pulled over their eyes.

Speaker 7 I thought for a long time that the Statue of Liberty was a Trojan horse from France.

Speaker 7 And I think that they just didn't find the exit, so there's like thousands of dead French skeletons and stuff.

Speaker 1 I like that idea. Yeah, I think that might be true.
You might be honest on that. I think so.

Speaker 7 Are you cool thrown?

Speaker 1 My cool throw is U.S. Open.
Oh, we do talk a lot about

Speaker 1 how bad some sports are set up. I like the way the U.S.
Open is set up where they do it at the end of last week going into Labor Day. It's on during Labor Day, but it's not the big matches.

Speaker 1 So it's like you can watch as you're going. And then it ramps up.
Like it's on today, it's on tomorrow, it's on Thursday, and then the big matches are this weekend. Yeah.
By the way, we don't.

Speaker 1 It's good, though, the little wean off of football weekend. It's like there's tennis all day.

Speaker 1 They do play during college football Saturday, which I know you don't care about, but that is the final for the women's.

Speaker 1 So, like, you're trying to watch Kent State, Pittsburgh, and they're just

Speaker 1 that's crazy. Also, correction from Tuesday's show:

Speaker 1 the FedEx Cup championship

Speaker 1 actually was a week late this year because of the Olympics. So it is usually a week before.

Speaker 7 Smart. Smart.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. Our bad.
Yeah. Our bad.

Speaker 7 Emma Navarro is in the semifinals. The American.
You remember her? She took the selfie with LeBron at the Olympics, smiling through it all. Can't believe this is my life with LeBron.

Speaker 7 I think she's one of the two billionaires that we've got. It's her and then the daughter or the granddaughter of the Bills owner.
We've got just the richest people that play tennis for us.

Speaker 7 In your face world. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Good job, Hank.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is Mr.

Speaker 7 Pear.

Speaker 7 Mr. Pear's on the hot seat.
We're starting NFL season. He's going to be making picks.

Speaker 1 He's going to be making picks.

Speaker 7 Making picks means we got Mr. Pear ready to go.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 He's ready to go. Still alive.

Speaker 7 Okay, still alive and still healthy, as our wildlife expert Forrest Gallant informed us of.

Speaker 1 However, we were going to not say it.

Speaker 7 I think we got to say it.

Speaker 1 No, we were going to wait until he's stunk and then say it so that we have an out.

Speaker 1 But but we know

Speaker 7 on the video it's for scalant but it's we were we were is there a video that was that was after yeah we were gonna

Speaker 1 we were gonna wait and if he sucks we were gonna then be like oh whoops it's a girl yeah so mr pair is a girl yeah we should we should wait we need it we need it okay we need it we won't say it we won't say that right say mr.

Speaker 1 pear because and just say we're gonna do yeah just say just do it again and just say we're just gonna do pics with mr pair because we were thinking about it and like if he's like 0-5 then we are like, oh, actually, it's a girl.

Speaker 1 That's our fault. He was not comfortable in his own skin.
Now he's going to win.

Speaker 7 Okay, but on the video that we have Forrest Gallant saying, what do you think? There's a video of Forrest Gallant. Out?

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 7 Memes. It hasn't gone out yet, right?

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 6 Not yet. It's

Speaker 7 a cell phone video. So we just don't put it out?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we just wait. We just wait.

Speaker 1 We got to wait because he might suck. And then we got to save it for him.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just do Mr. Pear and say we're going to have picks.
He's going to pick Thursday night.

Speaker 7 Okay. Hot seat is Mr.
Pear. Mr.
Pear the Turtle on the hot seat. This is really the first test for Mr.
Pear. Big time.

Speaker 7 He kind of wet his beak a little bit or whatever turtles have during NBA season and HL season. But this is when it counts.
This is when legends are made.

Speaker 7 This is when Larry the Goldfish became a legend. And Mr.
Pear is, I mean, he's going to be front and center every Thursday night, right, memes?

Speaker 6 Front and center. I have to buy a new wood box.
That'll be my project tomorrow. And I'll make the picks in there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Mr. Pear has to hit what for us to be like a success?

Speaker 7 I'd say 60%.

Speaker 1 60%.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's for him to be like a legend. You're right.
You're right. 56%,

Speaker 7 you get your money back.

Speaker 7 54%, 56%, depending on what the

Speaker 1 52.5%.

Speaker 7 52.5%? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you're right because he's up against Larry.

Speaker 7 And Larry was what, like 60%?

Speaker 1 I think he was 60%.

Speaker 1 Hank has a tattoo. Do you have the picks? Oh, it's gone.

Speaker 7 That's right. Would you get a Mr.
Pear tattoo if he went 65%?

Speaker 7 I would. Yeah, I would too.

Speaker 1 If he goes 65%,

Speaker 1 I will definitely.

Speaker 7 I'd match.

Speaker 1 I think it was 59, 34, and 2, or 58, 34, and 2.

Speaker 7 You had it on your leg.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 It's one of those. It's 59 and 58.

Speaker 7 Okay, I think it was 59.

Speaker 7 But yeah, Mr. Pears got his work cut out for him.
So he's getting a new box.

Speaker 7 What's this setup going to look like, memes?

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 1 think his home now,

Speaker 6 except everything's going to be removed. I'll put some hay in it.

Speaker 7 It's going to be like a dude's apartment where you're like, every guy wants this, and it's just a chair and NFL red zone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, random dude.

Speaker 6 And then we'll pull up the wood, and then he goes to the house.

Speaker 7 Have you guys never had a random dude stay over in your apartment?

Speaker 1 I've always known who the dude was.

Speaker 7 I've woken up several times to a random dude in my apartment.

Speaker 1 I also

Speaker 2 meme just keeps buying TVs, and he doesn't have any TV stands and he doesn't hang them.

Speaker 1 Oh, come on. What? Yes.

Speaker 2 Every week he tells me he buys another TV and then I'm like, where do you put it?

Speaker 1 Where are you putting it?

Speaker 10 They're on the floor.

Speaker 1 They're on the floor.

Speaker 2 I need to see a picture.

Speaker 1 He won't show me a picture of the living room.

Speaker 7 Memes, what do you do?

Speaker 1 How many TVs you got, memes?

Speaker 6 There's four in my living room.

Speaker 1 And then none of them are on stands.

Speaker 9 There's one on a stand.

Speaker 1 It's a nice setup. And what are the other three?

Speaker 6 They're all the same size.

Speaker 1 Okay, that is nice. Okay, but where are the other three? On the floor.

Speaker 7 Memes, are they all the same brand?

Speaker 6 All the same brand.

Speaker 7 Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 We need a picture. We sent a picture.
Yeah, we need a picture. I sent one to my dad.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, Mr. Pears on the hot seat for sure.

Speaker 7 How do you manage that? Do you have direct TV or how do you get multiple games on at once?

Speaker 6 I have YouTube TV.

Speaker 1 Yeah, are you doing... Are you addicted to TVs?

Speaker 6 I think so. I just want to watch every game.

Speaker 1 But you know,

Speaker 1 you can watch it with YouTube TV. You can watch four games on one.
Yeah, but it just doesn't look the same. Okay, that's true.

Speaker 1 I mean, you have a thousand TVs back to the city. I have who are who are.
I'm not. Listen, but they're all in their correct place.

Speaker 1 I don't have them on the ground.

Speaker 7 You're right. I shouldn't judge.

Speaker 1 I was watching nine games on Saturday. It was awesome.
I kind of love that, though.

Speaker 7 I love the freedom of having an apartment where you just put your TVs on. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I just sent it.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, memes.

Speaker 1 This is ridiculous. What does your girlfriend think? I don't have one.
Oh, no way.

Speaker 1 This isn't bad. There's stands.
There's little little stands.

Speaker 1 That's the most single guy apartment ever. Oh, I am jealous, memes.

Speaker 7 That's so that you're living the life.

Speaker 1 You're sitting there. I'm going to put it in the video episode.
I feel you're sitting on a lawn chair, too.

Speaker 9 I'm sitting on my beanbag chair.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and I love the presentation, too, because it feels like you're recreating a cinema.

Speaker 1 Pug, make sure you put this in the video so people can watch it when they're watching the episode.

Speaker 6 It's perfectly symmetrical.

Speaker 1 All right, so Mr. Bears in the hot seat, and memes has an addiction to TVs.
I want you to get, memes,

Speaker 1 I might fund you to just get,

Speaker 1 I might fund your TV addiction if you promise to never hang any of them. They all have to be on the floor.

Speaker 1 I want to see like nine TVs on the floor.

Speaker 1 Nine, nine? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You could get a couple little ones and put them in, like in between the cracks, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 7 It could be like Chose Chal's basement where he has all his former recruits just like leaning up against the wall.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you, you literally, like, if you're, if you're like, oh man, I'm capped out on TVs, boom, gonna order another one, is it like that spur of the moment?

Speaker 7 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 it's like a new toy,

Speaker 1 that's so awesome. You play video games on one, oh, yeah, it means living his best life.
Do you have any furniture in your house?

Speaker 1 I have a couch, but you're on the beanbag chair on the beanbag chair because it's better eye level for the TVs on the floor. Yeah, do you have

Speaker 7 a table?

Speaker 1 I have a

Speaker 7 one table. That sounds like a no.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 6 I was trying to think of the term. An island?

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Okay. But that's it.

Speaker 7 So you don't have a coffee table. What's on the island? Is it like counter height? Yeah, counter height.
Counterheight island?

Speaker 2 I have two little chairs.

Speaker 6 I actually have a pretty nice apartment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got a bunch of TVs. A bunch of TVs.
But you don't have a coffee table.

Speaker 6 Don't have. I have two end tables.

Speaker 1 Okay. This is awesome.

Speaker 7 Memes, I would love to go over to your apartment and just house beers on Saturday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just hang out.

Speaker 7 And hang out. It sounds like a cool hang apartment.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's your cool throne, PFT?

Speaker 7 My cool throne, that's a good question. What is your cool throne? Yeah, I mean, Memes' apartment rocks.
My cool throne is Max Homa. Max Homa has been named to the President's Cup team.
Let's go.

Speaker 7 It's captain's pick.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 7 When is the President's Cup, Hank?

Speaker 1 Every two years. Yeah, it's off years of the Ryder Cup.

Speaker 7 Right, so it's like this summer. This summer coming up.
So we don't know who the president is going to be, but good for Max Homa. He loves both Kamala and Donald Trump.
Yes.

Speaker 7 So he's going to be excited to represent whoever the president might, or RFK Jr. He's a big RFK Jr.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 7 So he's excited to represent the office of the presidency. He did play well in the Ryder Cup, right?

Speaker 7 Max is a country first kind of guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. When we were like, he was the only, he and Brooks were like the only two shining hopes that that last day.

Speaker 7 I kind of like our odds this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, my hot seat is Billy Napier.
We talked about him, Florida head coach. He's already fired per PFT.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 Billy Napier is on the hot seat because you know it's going bad for a head coach when

Speaker 1 he is taking shots at the people on social media in the basements.

Speaker 1 So he said if we can focus on those things, talking about good football and not what some guy in his basement in rural central Florida is saying on social media, then we've got a chance to get better, right?

Speaker 1 Also, our colleague Nikki Smokes, who is from Florida, pointed out they don't have basements in Florida.

Speaker 7 That's what I was looking up right now. And especially not in central Florida because it's a swamp.
Correct. The water table is too high.
You can dig down into the basement.

Speaker 7 If anything, you're like staying in an apartment with your mom.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you move back in with his mom.

Speaker 7 You're in a condominium.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But either way, the minute a... a football coach brings out the basement, social media basement, it's over.

Speaker 7 Yeah, not a good start. It's also early flight tracking season for college football.
Yes.

Speaker 7 Because there's been flights, people are now monitoring flights from Gainesville to Oxford, Mississippi right now. Oh, and they're speculating.
Flight tracking season is the best.

Speaker 7 You guys know I love flight tracking season.

Speaker 7 But they're all over it. So now they're thinking maybe Lane Kiffen, but it also just could be any jet that goes from Gainesville to Oxford.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Then my cool throne is Jay Cutler because Kristen Cavallari said that her boyfriend, Mark Estes, Montana boy, who's 13 years younger than her,

Speaker 1 She's having the best sex she's ever had.

Speaker 7 That's a bit predatory, isn't it?

Speaker 1 It is, but it's also, if you have to publicly say you're having the best sex you ever had, you're lying.

Speaker 7 You're either doing that because you're lying or you're doing it just because you know that Jay Cutler will see it and get angry. So Jay one.

Speaker 1 Because that's, you don't, you don't just come out and be like, oh, I'm having the best sex ever. That's, you're lying.
And Jay one.

Speaker 7 I'm having the best sex ever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Lying. Lying.
Lying. Lie.

Speaker 7 I'm having awful. I'm having the worst sex of my life right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 that's true. Fuck.

Speaker 7 So you just don't talk about your sex.

Speaker 1 Exactly. If you don't talk about your sex, you can just, people just assume you're having the best sex ever.
The minute you say you have the best sex ever, everyone's like, dude, that's a lie.

Speaker 7 I'm having no sex. What does that mean?

Speaker 1 You're telling the truth. Fuck.

Speaker 1 But yeah, J-1.

Speaker 9 J1.

Speaker 1 Okay, should we get to our

Speaker 1 interviews? Pete Prisco.

Speaker 1 Always fun to have Pete Prisco on.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Pete Prisco.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests. He's the spiciest meatball in the world.
It is senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports.com. Is that by age? By age.

Speaker 1 He's literally, they can't believe that he's still working.

Speaker 1 An analyst for CBS Sports HQ.

Speaker 1 It is Pete Prisco.

Speaker 7 Watches the film.

Speaker 1 Watches the tape watcher. Was on the Russell Wilson stinks far before anyone else.

Speaker 7 He was on the Russell Wilson Stinks even when he was really good. Yeah, when he was winning Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 He's like, this guy's going to stink at some point when he's like 36. Pete Prisco, Pete, we're on the eve of the NFL season.

Speaker 1 There's no better time right before the NFL season starts.

Speaker 1 Let's start here. What's the spiciest take you got right now that everyone's coming after you for that you think you're going to be right and everyone else is wrong?

Speaker 14 The Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Oh, you motherfucker.

Speaker 14 I knew you would love that.

Speaker 1 God damn it.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 7 The schedule of? Is this a schedule thing? Because we remember last year with the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 We looked at the schedule.

Speaker 7 You had them at what, 12 wins last year?

Speaker 14 13, I think. 13.

Speaker 1 13 wins.

Speaker 14 Yeah, well,

Speaker 14 they went in in November as the number one seed. You forget about that on a Sunday night, and the quarterback got hurt.
That's not forgettable.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, you're right. You're right on that.
They were never going to get to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 But the Packers are your Super Bowl champions.

Speaker 1 Why? Besides Jordan Love being what seems like

Speaker 1 an up-and-coming superstar with how he finished last year, why is it so different?

Speaker 14 Well, because, A, I think you get those receivers all together now. They didn't play barely at all together last year.
Watson's on the field. He's a big, big play receiver.

Speaker 14 You're going to open things up with that guy. Then you look at the running game.
I think they're more physical in the running game than they've been. The offensive line will be bigger and stronger.

Speaker 14 But more than, you know, we know it's love. But more than on the other side of the ball, they weren't very good.
But now they bring in a defensive coordinator and Jeff Hafley who can get after it.

Speaker 14 They're going to be aggressive. They're going to play more press man.

Speaker 14 They're going to attack the quarterback. I love what they've done on defense, and I love what they're doing on offense.
They're the best team in that division.

Speaker 14 I know you don't want to hear it, but they are.

Speaker 1 Are you now? Counterpoint to what you said, obviously their win Thanksgiving Day was impressive against the Lions, and they beat the Chiefs who were reeling at that moment.

Speaker 1 Are you worried, though, that there was maybe a little smoke and mirrors with how they finished the season?

Speaker 1 Needing three wins to get in the playoffs, and they beat the Panthers barely, the Vikings on their third quarterback, and my Bears, who sucked, who I deluded myself thinking they could win that game to get into the playoffs.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but you can flip it forward and say they went down to Dallas and beat the Cowboys and then went to the 49ers and should have won that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm just saying. I'm looking at being like that.
Last, the end of their season last year was a complete fluke and they suck. So I understand that's stupid.

Speaker 14 Yeah, you're hoping. You're wishing.

Speaker 7 Pete, isn't it fair to say we don't have enough body of evidence, not enough body of work work with Jordan Love?

Speaker 14 Well, you can say that about C.J. Stroud, too.
Does anybody say that about him?

Speaker 1 I think, yeah, they do.

Speaker 7 I mean, they say he's really, really good, but they say it's his rookie year. He just did it once, and they're not giving him a massive content for that, obviously.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but from that, if they could, they would, though.

Speaker 14 From that standpoint, you make a good point. Both of them probably have to do it all over again, but haven't you seen enough to give you an idea that you're a believer in both of them? Okay,

Speaker 14 I'll give you this for you. If Jaden Daniels goes out and throws 28 touchdown passes and seven interceptions and Washington wins nine games, are you going to say that he can't do it again?

Speaker 1 No, absolutely not. Okay.
No, absolutely.

Speaker 7 But that's because I already know he's that good going into it. In my mind, because he won the Heisman last year.
What did Jordan Love do last year?

Speaker 14 He went to the playoffs, deep into the playoffs.

Speaker 7 No, I mean the year before that.

Speaker 1 The year before.

Speaker 14 He's watched a lot of football from the bench.

Speaker 1 Hey, so have I. 22 years old.
He's been there for forever.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 good one to start with. That was a good way to get it spicy off the rip.

Speaker 7 I saw another somewhat spicy take that you had. You did your list of the 100 best players.
You had Patrick Mahomes number one overall. The NFL players disagree with you.
Would they have him?

Speaker 1 I think two or three. Two or three? Yeah.

Speaker 14 That's mystifying to me.

Speaker 7 That's a hot take by Pete putting him at number one.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 14 He might be that, by the way, if he wins the Super Bowl this year and three Pete, he's in the conversation as the greatest football player of all time already.

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 7 Good point. Hank doesn't have his headphones on right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Patrick Mills would be the greatest.

Speaker 1 Pete, you know how I know the Chiefs are going to probably be back in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Is that the conversation now, when you're trying to pick them apart, is like they'll just get tired of winning and it's hard to win three.

Speaker 1 They might be better this year. They probably are better this year than they were last year because last year they weren't, through the body of work of the regular season, weren't a great team.

Speaker 1 They obviously got great in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 They seem like they might be a better team this year.

Speaker 14 Would you agree? Yes, absolutely. Last year was the year to get them, and nobody got them.

Speaker 14 I mean, it's easy to go into every season and say, okay, I'll take the Chiefs against the field because they're that good. The coach is that good.
Think about this.

Speaker 14 Andy Reid coaches until he's 70, has a chance to get the wins record. We all thought it was going to be Belichick, but Andy Reid actually has a chance to get that.
Coach, quarterback.

Speaker 14 Of course, they're better than they were a year ago. They have speed now now on offense.
They can stretch the field. It's a better team.
But winning three in a row, it's never happened for a reason.

Speaker 14 It's never happened for a reason.

Speaker 1 Right. You just did it right there.
You did the, like, this is what we're going to pick apart on the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 So, if the Chiefs weren't to go to the Super Bowl from the AFC, what are your other AFC teams? You're like, this is the year they're going to take that step forward and maybe knock off the Chiefs.

Speaker 14 You'll be happy. Because I got Buffalo going to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 I love that. Nice, Pete.
Oh, my God. Buffalo versus the Packers.

Speaker 1 I might have to get a Bills tattoo before that game. Pete, that would make my day

Speaker 7 make my year if the Bills went to the Super Bowl. That'd be so awesome.

Speaker 14 You guys will know this. The whole idea of the window shutting on the Bills is the stupid, dumb talk that people throw out there when they don't pay attention to what's going on.

Speaker 14 As long as Josh Allen is slinging the football in Buffalo, they will have an open window. Period.
End of story. And everybody says, well, they lost all these guys from a year ago.

Speaker 14 They didn't have most of those guys a year ago. Tredavious White wasn't around.
Matt Milano's hurt again. He wasn't there last year.
The two safeties were banged up all year.

Speaker 14 Daquan Jones went down early in the season, the best run stuffer. Von Miller was admittedly a shell of himself.

Speaker 14 And then they talk about Diggs. Look what Diggs did the last 10 games of the season.
Nothing. Nothing.
And it's addition by subtraction.

Speaker 14 So the way I look at it, Buffalo is going to be a better team than they were a year ago, and they have a legitimate chance to go to to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Imagine all those Bills fans down in New Orleans. They're going to drink so many beef.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 It's going to be amazing.

Speaker 14 It would be wild.

Speaker 14 Buffalo and Green Bay and the Super Bowl in New Orleans, it would just be, and it wouldn't be high-end drinking, you know? It would be a lot of the cheap stuff. That'd be fun.

Speaker 1 I think that would be the fattest Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Let's see.

Speaker 1 I think it would.

Speaker 7 Wisconsin, definitely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got some hats.

Speaker 7 You got the winter weight.

Speaker 1 There's more power in Buffalo than fat, but it's power.

Speaker 7 You got powerful people you have to insulate yourself from the elements in buffalo yeah

Speaker 1 beef on whack you know that's the way i love beef on whack they just eat food that keeps you warm that's the trick of living in buffalo yes yeah um wings all that stuff okay so yeah so so other afc teams that i want you to pick apart or tell me what you what your main like bugaboo is the bengals we're we're big believers in joe burrow i think the league has kind of forgotten about joe burrow because he hasn't been playing uh what what do you think about the bengals this season and do they have a team that could potentially get to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 14 Absolutely. As long as Joe Burrow's on the field, they're a contender.

Speaker 14 They're like the Bills. As long as that quarterback is on the field, they're a contender.
They've gotten bigger and stronger on the offensive line.

Speaker 14 Now Mims is banged up, but when he's back, they're big physical offensive line, and they're going to have score a lot of points.

Speaker 14 Defensively, they need some guys to step up, but they have a lot of talent on that side, particularly young guys, you know, the young secondary players.

Speaker 14 I think they're going to be better than they've been on defense, but it all comes down to Burrow being on the field. And availability is the best ability.

Speaker 14 And he hasn't exactly been there game in and game out, but I'm with you. When he's on the field, he's fantastic.

Speaker 7 Okay, what about the Ravens? I know that you don't like Lamar that much because he's one of those running quarterbacks that you look down your nose on,

Speaker 7 but they should have done better in the play. If they had run the ball in the second half against the Chiefs, we might be telling a different story right now.

Speaker 7 They got Derrick Henry. Lamar is, what, like 12, 15 pounds lighter than he was last year, which, by the way, I'm not so sure that's a good thing that Lamar Jackson is like 15 pounds lighter.

Speaker 7 The knock on Lamar Jackson was never, you know, this guy would be great if he wasn't so fat.

Speaker 14 Right, it was never that.

Speaker 14 I don't understand why he wants to get leaner. You should want that on your, you know, because he needs to be stronger.
He's going to take some shots. You know, by the way, I like Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 14 I don't like quarterbacks who immediately just run, and he's gotten much better at not doing it. Look at Josh Allen runs.
I like Josh Allen. He runs a lot, too.

Speaker 14 But their problem to me right now is their offensive line. You know, they're actually talking about rotating guys like they did last year, series is series at right tackle and maybe left guard.

Speaker 14 I don't like that. I think you need to find five and settle on them.
And they have issues on the offensive line.

Speaker 14 And if they have problems on the offensive line, it's going to be hard to rush them, rush the football with Henry or whoever's running the ball.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 The Texans. The Texans, would you say it's subtraction by adding Stefan Diggs? Or I mean,

Speaker 1 it is interesting because

Speaker 1 last year was an aberration year where it's like, I can't believe we have this quarterback that's this good, this young, and they've got stud wide receivers, and now you add a guy like Stephon Diggs.

Speaker 1 What would be the whole of the Texans if you were scouting them?

Speaker 14 Doing it again as a hunted team. I think that's,

Speaker 14 you got to learn how, you know, that was the same thing that Jacksonville ran into last year. You didn't know how to handle success.
And does this team know how to handle success?

Speaker 14 You think they do, but you never know

Speaker 14 until you get, you know, teams are gunning for you week in and week out. You're one of the better teams in the league.
You have to learn how to handle that. And I'm not sure they can.

Speaker 14 The division's a lot tougher. I'm a big Will Levis guy.
I think the Titans are going to be better. Anthony Richardson's on the field.

Speaker 14 The Colts probably should have beat him in the last week of the season, and they might not even make the playoffs. And here's the other thing.
As much as we love C.J.

Speaker 14 Stroud, you would have thought the way we talk about him, he threw 40 touchdown passes. I think he threw 24, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 14 I mean, it wasn't like it was Dan Marino throwing 48 in the second season. It's just, so we've got to slow the roll a little bit on this team.

Speaker 14 Diggs, by the way, will be on his best behavior because he's on a one-year deal.

Speaker 7 So yeah, he's going to make sure that he doesn't completely alienate every other team in the league.

Speaker 14 Correct. He wants to get another contract.

Speaker 1 He threw 23 touchdowns, I believe, in the regular season last year.

Speaker 14 Yeah. I mean, that's the same thing.
He did miss two games.

Speaker 1 He did miss two games.

Speaker 14 But that's not a great number. It's not 40.
It's not 37.

Speaker 14 You know what I mean?

Speaker 14 He's good. I love what I've seen from the kid.
But again, you've got to show us, just like you said about Jordan Love, show us again. But more than that, this young team has to show us again.

Speaker 7 Yeah. What about the New York Jets? There have been a lot of problems that weren't really problems this offseason, but they felt like problems a lot of the time.
Aaron Rodgers missing out on Minicamp.

Speaker 7 The Hassan Reddick contract thing that's still going on. I don't know what's, is the problem on that just he hasn't shown up to the facility to negotiate the contract?

Speaker 14 Or they won't give him a new contract or they offered him one that they didn't like it or there's a bunch of things that could be a play there. He'll show up and play.

Speaker 14 There's only so many earning years in your body. Eventually he's going to show up.
I mean, they know that. He knows it.
He won't sit out the season. Nobody does anymore.

Speaker 14 It's too much money being left on the table. Trent Williams will eventually show if he doesn't get a new contract.
They all show up and they should show up. Because, again, I say it all the time.

Speaker 14 Every year you sit out or every game you sit out is money you can't get back. You'll never get it back.

Speaker 7 Well,

Speaker 7 Trent's just not shown up for games before.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and he was a kid then. He was, what is that, eight years ago, seven years ago? Now he's an old guy, so he needs to get those.
You only have if you have less earning years in your body.

Speaker 1 He'll show up.

Speaker 7 So what about the rest of the Jets, though? What do you expect out of them?

Speaker 14 If the offensive line stays healthy, and again, that's a big if. If Roger stays healthy, that's probably a little bit of an if.

Speaker 14 They'll be good on offense, and they'll score points, and they're going to be a team to watch out for in that division. They're going to push Buffalo.

Speaker 14 I think they're the two best teams in that division, and they're going to push for more than that if they get a second weapon.

Speaker 14 And, you know, you know, Wilson's going to be a heck of a weapon, but who else emerges? Mike Williams is coming off a knee injury, never was a birder to begin with.

Speaker 14 The tight end position suspect, they need to get more weapons involved. So, if they can find somebody that steps up, then I think they'll push for a play deep into the playoffs, in fact.

Speaker 1 Okay, so AFC is, it is crazy looking at the AFC because there's really not, I mean, besides the Patriots and I don't even know, maybe the Raiders, like, there's not a lot of teams that you can be like, we can pretty confidently say they're going to be bad.

Speaker 1 Who is the Dark Horse team? Because it happens every year.

Speaker 1 And it could just be the Jets because they didn't make the playoffs last year, but the team that you don't see making the, you know, didn't make the playoffs last year and now they're in the playoffs and they had a year that people didn't fully expect.

Speaker 1 Whew.

Speaker 1 Can't say the Jaguars.

Speaker 14 No. Well, they're going to be in the playoffs, though.
They'll be a wild card team.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 14 Well, the Bengals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you want me to throw another team out there for you? Our guy, Jim Harbaugh, in L.A.,

Speaker 1 they obviously have a lot of talent deficiencies, but

Speaker 1 he's going to win a couple games they shouldn't win just because of who he is and how he runs that system.

Speaker 14 Absolutely. But I think they're a year away.
I think they're like your Bears team. I think they're a year away.
Oh,

Speaker 1 fuck.

Speaker 1 I didn't know you had that take. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the Bears?

Speaker 14 I think they're going to be a real push for a Super Bowl next year, but I think they're a year away from being a playoff team this year.

Speaker 1 What does that mean? What's the record?

Speaker 14 9-8,

Speaker 14 8-9.

Speaker 1 Fuck, if you told me 9-8.

Speaker 7 9-8's not bad, though.

Speaker 1 9-8.

Speaker 7 9-8's pretty good. Turning for 9-8.
I don't know. But you also, we can get back to the Bears in a second.
You glossed over

Speaker 7 talking about the Chargers. Did you not see the report that Herbert was stuck in an elevator and Harbaugh was extremely impressed with how he handled himself inside that elevator like a leader?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I didn't quite get that, by the way. I mean, what the hell does that mean? You didn't pee in the corner like everybody else did? What does that mean?

Speaker 1 He wasn't sweating.

Speaker 7 I thought he, yeah, he didn't sweat at all, but I also thought maybe that meant he wasn't hydrated. If you're not pissing in the corner, that means you're not hydrated enough for football.

Speaker 14 What if you had to go number two while you were stuck in the elevator?

Speaker 1 Well, Lamar. Lamar would have had to.

Speaker 7 He would have been the worst.

Speaker 7 I was going to ask you who you think the worst quarterbacks to be stuck in an elevator with. I think Lamar, probably number one because of number two.

Speaker 7 And probably Russell Wilson because he'd do like high knees.

Speaker 14 Oh, he would be annoying in there. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah. So he'd probably be number two.
He might even be number one.

Speaker 14 Lamar did his business in the corner. He'd just move away from him.

Speaker 14 Couldn't get away from Russell.

Speaker 7 Kind of an alpha male move, though, to just take your pants off and take a shit.

Speaker 14 He'd probably go in his pants and let it sit there for a while.

Speaker 1 How many games do you think Russell Wilson is going to play this year?

Speaker 1 Barring injury. Four or five.
How many? Four or five. Four or five.
And then they're going to pull the plug.

Speaker 4 You've got to pull the plug.

Speaker 14 I mean, what did they see in the preseason or in their workouts that gave you any indication that he's the guy?

Speaker 14 Or going back to last year when he held the ball forever and caused so many sacks in Denver? He's done.

Speaker 14 He's over.

Speaker 7 I think what they're just hoping for is that they get an average quarterback. Because with an average quarterback on that team last year, then you're telling an entirely different story.

Speaker 7 The offense looks a lot better.

Speaker 7 The defense is still going to be awesome this year. They got them to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 14 they're always going to be tough and physical and everything else and want to run the ball. They have offensive line questions.

Speaker 14 There's, you know, two rookies are going to be starting on that offensive line. That's questions.
And then, again,

Speaker 14 look at at the division. Where are they in the division? They're the fourth team, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I guess the Browns are kind of a team that hasn't been talked about a lot just because no one knows what Deshaun Watson's going to do.
And when is Nick Chubb going to be back?

Speaker 1 And like they do, the Browns were good last year with Joe Flacco down the stretch, but I have no idea what to expect from Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 14 No, nobody does. He's played 12 games for the Browns in two years.

Speaker 14 I mean, you can't know, and when he's been on the field, he's been bad at times, and then he started looking good at the end before he got hurt again last year. They're the unknown team.

Speaker 14 They really are. You're right about them.
They have talent on defense. They've got an elite defensive player that can rush the passer and wreck the game.

Speaker 14 If Watson's good and the offensive line is healthy, and again, their two tackles, their three tackles were hurt last year. Now they have two of them.
They're still banged up.

Speaker 14 You've got problems there.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Okay, so back to the Bears, Big Cats Bears.
You don't seem like you're buying in fully. You said that they're a year away.
They've got guys that can get after the passer on defense.

Speaker 7 They've got who appears to be a great quarterback in Caleb Williams. You've got all the weapons in the world for Caleb.

Speaker 1 One of the best secondaries in the league. Love the secondary.

Speaker 14 I love the corners. I really love the corners.

Speaker 14 They might have the best group of corners in the league, by the way.

Speaker 1 I'd agree.

Speaker 7 So why do you hate the Bears?

Speaker 14 I don't. I just think this is another team that's got to learn how to win and learn how to have success.
You have a rookie quarterback. It's tough on a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 14 It's not like they just show up. It doesn't happen all the time.
So it's going to be a process. But anyway, you look at the division.

Speaker 14 I think the the Packers are really good, I think the Lions are really good, the Vikings, not so much, but I think if you look, they're the Bears of the third team in the division, and so I think combined with everything, I don't think they're going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 14 Now, would I be shocked if they snuck in as a wild card? No, but I just think it's a year away from when they're really special.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, listen,

Speaker 1 if I were, I'm obviously very, very excited about this Bears season. I'm very excited about the future because it feels like Ryan Poles is putting the team together the right way.

Speaker 1 And I do think the defense has some insane talent, but I also will admit that if we played the end-of-the-season game that I did with the Packers, they beat up on some not great quarterbacks down the stretch.

Speaker 1 And when they played Kyler Murray and when they played Jordan Love, I know we beat the Cardinals, but Kyler Murray kind of passed all over us.

Speaker 1 So there is something to be said for that where it's like you got to show it again this year.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and I love what they're doing on defense. They're building to something special.
But again, it's all building, and it's not there yet.

Speaker 14 You know, I've got a rookie receiver you're counting on for big things. He's still a rookie receiver.
He's going to be good, but he's a rookie receiver. You know, Keenan Allen, what's he have left?

Speaker 14 There are questions there. So I think you add it all up.
I think they're a year away.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay. And then let's do the NFC.
So

Speaker 1 it feels like one of the, it feels like there's going to be one team that we expect to be really good in the NFC that's just not.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you know, whether you want to pick the Eagles, the Cowboys,

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think who else.

Speaker 7 Some people have said the Niners. The Niners.

Speaker 1 Is there one of those teams that you can think of where you're like, everyone's expecting them to just kind of do the same thing and be a playoff team, but there's something there that is just not right that's going to hold them back?

Speaker 14 I think Dallas is going to win the division.

Speaker 14 But I also had the Eagles sneaking in. So if you had to, I'd say they both get in.
The Niners' division isn't very good, I don't think. I think

Speaker 14 those teams are coming a little bit, but they're not there yet. So I think the Niners won't be as good as they were a year ago, but I still think they're going to get one or two seed in the NFC.

Speaker 14 I don't think they're as good as they were a year ago.

Speaker 14 So they might be the team, but they'll still be in the postseason.

Speaker 14 As far as a team that made the playoffs last year that's not going to get in, that's hard to figure out because if you look at it, where do they come from?

Speaker 14 Because I think the Lions, the Packers will both be there again. I think the Cowboys will be there.
The Eagles, I think the Bucs win the South. Most people are sleeping on the Bucs

Speaker 14 because they're all in on Kirk Cousins in Atlanta. I'm not.
And then I think the Niners will be in the playoffs.

Speaker 8 And the Rams.

Speaker 1 I think the Rams are going to be good. And the Rams.

Speaker 14 So where's a team that's going to come from nowhere to make the playoffs in the NFC?

Speaker 1 But you know, there will be. Like,

Speaker 1 we can have you back on. Like, you know, that there will be a team.
One of those teams you listed will not make the playoffs. Okay,

Speaker 14 you would probably pick Atlanta, maybe, right, to be the team.

Speaker 1 yeah i think atlanta is going to be very good this year i actually oh i got i got a spicy one for you pete are the saints as bad as we think they are because i think they're like perfectly average and in that division like they started playing okay ball down the stretch and derek carr kind of figured it out a little bit with the new team could could it possibly be the saints because that that division will be tight like no no one's a juggernaut there yeah there i no it's not the saints i i think

Speaker 14 you talk about a team that has major offensive line problems, but more than that, Derek Carr,

Speaker 14 can you count on him week in and week out? And here's the other thing. Age is starting to creep in on defense.
Alder Marquee, DeMario Davis, getting up in the years. Cam Jordan, up in the years.

Speaker 14 Honey Badger, up in the years. And I think you start worried about that a little bit as well.

Speaker 7 Okay, so what about Detroit? What's Detroit,

Speaker 7 what's the vibe going to be like in Detroit this year? Because they're one of the teams that was the hunter. Now they're definitely firmly in that hunted category.

Speaker 7 The way that the season ended last year, that could be like a big thing to get over emotionally. Do you think that carries over into this year or you still like them?

Speaker 14 I think they're talented. Their talent will carry them far enough, but getting back to where they were is going to be tough to do.
It's hard to get back there. And he even said that after the game.

Speaker 14 You know, remember, Dan Campbell said that. But here's some words of advice for Dan Campbell.
And I love the way he coached when he had to coach that way. You don't need to coach that way anymore.

Speaker 14 Stop with the fourth down going for it all the time.

Speaker 14 You did that when you needed to do that. You don't do that anymore.
Your team is good. You don't need to do that anymore.

Speaker 7 I disagree with that. I think you should do it.
I think you should do it the same that he's done in the past.

Speaker 1 It cost him a chance to go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 It cost him a chance to go to the Super Bowl because they had some drops in those plays. And that happens sometimes in football.
Sometimes you don't catch the ball.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 7 I think the team plays hard for him because they like the identity that he puts out there.

Speaker 7 We're like, we got Dan Campbell, fucking Dan Campbell on our side, and we can do anything because we believe in this guy.

Speaker 14 Early on, when you didn't have as much talent, that made sense. Well, your talent is now there on the roster.
You don't need to play that way anymore. You adjust to your team year in and year out.

Speaker 14 You can get away from that.

Speaker 14 Come on, if they had kicked a field goal late in that game, they go to overtime

Speaker 14 and they might win the game and go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you also say that the field goal is going to be guaranteed because that field goal kicker was not great. They changed him, right? Like that was a, I think they brought back the guy.

Speaker 14 He was good in the playoffs, though.

Speaker 1 He made the kicking.

Speaker 14 When we go back to Dallas in the regular season, if he had played that the right way, he might have had a home playoff game.

Speaker 7 I need to go back and look at all three of those questionable decisions that he made because I thought that two of them were good. I thought one of them was really bad.

Speaker 1 I also, PFC and I kind of agree that

Speaker 1 if your MO is to play on the the edge and you have your guys like that, I do think that there's an inherent value of it. Like, hey, we're going to push it all the time.

Speaker 9 And you can't change.

Speaker 1 If he had been scared, Dan Campbell in the playoffs, people would have shit on him for that.

Speaker 14 Not me.

Speaker 1 You're different.

Speaker 14 No, because I just, you got to play the percentages. You got to play.
You got to play to go to the next play. And they didn't play to go to the next play.
He played to win it right there.

Speaker 7 An analogy that Dan would understand would be that

Speaker 7 they're like Metallica, where Ride the Lightning came out, their fans were like, this fucking rocks. The Black album came out, and you're like, this team's really, really good.

Speaker 7 And then if they dropped Lode, you're like, this is soft. They've gone weak.
That's what Dan Campbell would. He'd be like load by Metallica if he took his foot off the gas.

Speaker 14 So you guys want him to continue to play as aggressively as he's done. Yes.

Speaker 14 Even though it cost him a chance possibly to go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 I want Dan Campbell to be Dan Campbell. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't want him to change.

Speaker 14 You could be Dan Campbell, but you could be situationally smarter than Dan Campbell.

Speaker 7 No, no, I don't think you can.

Speaker 1 Then that's not Dan Campbell.

Speaker 14 Yes, it is. He's learned.
He's evolved. Can't you evolve?

Speaker 7 Dan Campbell doesn't evolve.

Speaker 1 Pete, is there a quarterback that you see either taking a step forward this year that we don't see coming or maybe a quarterback that's going to take a step back that people are like, hey,

Speaker 1 we think he's this, and I disagree. I do not see the same thing when I watch the film, which you do.

Speaker 14 Will Levis is going to take a major step forward.

Speaker 1 Okay, I like that.

Speaker 14 You know who Will Levis is a lot? You follow his career arc and all the stuff that people said about him coming out and the way they handled him and everything else.

Speaker 14 Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 14 Same type of thing. Remember, oh, he wasn't very good as a senior, and why was his completion percentage bad, and this and that? He's different, and everything else.

Speaker 14 And Will Levis is entirely not the people that he's the person he's portrayed to be by the media when he came into the draft. He loves it.
He lives it. He's like Josh Allen.
He's a fanatic about it.

Speaker 14 He goes on vacation in Italy and scouts out fields to go work out while he's there three weeks before camp, hops over the fence, starts working out. The cops come.

Speaker 14 He doesn't know how to speak Italian. They were going to arrest him.
And he finally got somebody to talk himself out of it. That's how much of a maniac he is as a guy who loves the game.

Speaker 14 And you have to be that way.

Speaker 14 He's going to have a monster season, and everybody who mocked that made fun of him and mocked his game going into the draft is going to be exactly the way they were with Josh Allen.

Speaker 14 They're going to be wrong.

Speaker 1 So, so, your entire analysis of Will Lovis, who we like, he's a friend of the program, is that you think he has Moxie because he was able to talk his way out of a bunch of angry Italians trying to arrest him.

Speaker 14 Well, you know, you know how us Italians are. We'll throw anybody back like that.

Speaker 1 That's how you heard that story, and you're like, oh my God, my pies on.

Speaker 7 You know what a criminal criminal you have to be to get arrested by Italians?

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 14 I mean, but that was nice. I mean, it was funny because he didn't know any Italian and he couldn't.

Speaker 14 At some point, he said he was an NFL quarterback, and they went, oh, big deal.

Speaker 1 You know, they didn't care. If that story happens in France, you're not loving Will Levis the same way you're loving Will.

Speaker 14 No, it has nothing. It's the fact that

Speaker 14 he actually scouted out workout facilities to go when you're on a vacation. That's Peyton Manning-esque.
That's weird. But it's crazy.

Speaker 14 He's, by the way, he is going to be a big-time player, and it's the same trajectory as Josh Allen. Big arm, tough kid.

Speaker 14 I'm telling you, just keep an eye on it. He's going to be a star.

Speaker 7 I do like that story, though, Pete. It would have been better if he had snuck into the Roman Coliseum and gotten down there where the gladiators used to be and then practiced down there.

Speaker 14 Now, that would be a hell of a story.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that would be a good story. So, is there a quarterback that you think will take a step back this year?

Speaker 14 Step back quarterback.

Speaker 14 Well, you got the elite. They're never stepping back.
Those guys will never step back. So just eliminate them.

Speaker 14 There's seven of them.

Speaker 7 Wait, who are your top seven?

Speaker 1 Oh, you have seven elite quarterbacks?

Speaker 14 Well, I think Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Rodgers. He still counts.
Lamar.

Speaker 14 Who am I leaving off there?

Speaker 1 Stafford. Brock Purdy.
Stop.

Speaker 14 Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy's better than people give him credit for, but he's not elite.
Stafford's not there. Herbert, no.

Speaker 14 Lawrence, no. Tua, no.

Speaker 14 Maybe that's it.

Speaker 7 So top six.

Speaker 1 Pack?

Speaker 14 No, he's not elite.

Speaker 7 You didn't say Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 14 He's not there either.

Speaker 1 Is there a chance it could go bad in Philly?

Speaker 14 I think there's a chance, but they have so much talent. Look, you know, everybody wants to point to the offensive side of the ball last year.
The defense was awful.

Speaker 1 It was awful.

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 guys got lazy, and they wore down at the end of the season. It was just not the past defense was terrible.
And everybody goes Jalen Hurts to the coach, Jalen Hurts to the coach. It wasn't that.

Speaker 14 The defense was awful. That was a problem.
And they look, by the way, they look like they

Speaker 14 gave up in that playoff game. That's what they looked like.

Speaker 7 Big time.

Speaker 7 Pete, in the preseason, we're getting into week one here, but I'm going to ask you to put coaches on the hot seat, pre-hot seat, preheated on them.

Speaker 7 Which coaches should we be looking at?

Speaker 14 Sirianni's on the hot seat already.

Speaker 14 Think about that, though. This is how crazy it is.
He was in the Super Bowl two years ago, went to the playoffs last year. If he doesn't make the playoffs this year, he's probably on the hot seat.

Speaker 1 People are calling him a steichen merchant.

Speaker 14 I mean, McCarthy's on the hot seat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean, if he doesn't win, if he doesn't get deep into the playoffs or win a playoff game, he's probably out, right?

Speaker 14 That's two. I'd say so.

Speaker 7 But I thought that last year, too. And I actually thought that the year before that.

Speaker 7 It's almost like Jerry Jones likes to keep him around because he knows that he can just yell at Mike McCarthy all the time.

Speaker 1 I mean, we do do pretend that Jerry Jones is like, because obviously, you know, his entire fallout with Jimmy Johnson in the 90s, but like, he did keep Jason Garrett around for way too long.

Speaker 1 That's true. So he did.

Speaker 1 He is maybe too loyal.

Speaker 14 He is loyal. He is loyal.
But I think this is it.

Speaker 14 Mike probably knows it.

Speaker 14 You don't win a playoff game, you'll probably be gone. Dable, Brian Dable, probably

Speaker 14 has to show something or he's gone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 There aren't many, though. That's the thing because there's been so many new coaches and so many teams turned over that there's not that many.
Dennis Allen, you mentioned the Saints.

Speaker 14 He could be in trouble.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, who even remembers he's coaching?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, yeah. So, yeah, I think there's not that many.
Four or five could be on the hot seat, but Sirianni could be.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we know you have the Packers in the Bills as your Super Bowl. I got one last question for you, Pete.
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Speaker 1 What is the, what's the, the, you know, it used to be Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 What is the argument that you find yourself getting into the most online right now where people are saying you're stupid and you're like, hey, I'm Pete Prisco and I watch the tape.

Speaker 14 By the way, I want my Roback Speedo that I can wear to the beach. I want that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't think they make denim speedos.

Speaker 14 If they did, you would have one.

Speaker 1 Believe me, I know you would.

Speaker 7 That's probably true, yeah.

Speaker 14 The biggest take that gets me in trouble, the Miami Dolphins. The Tuannon comes at me hard, man.

Speaker 1 They're rough.

Speaker 14 They're rough. And now I say they're not tough enough, and that drives them on the wall.
They're pretty. They're fun to watch.
They're good in September.

Speaker 14 But when it comes time to play good teams or playoff games or games against big games or big games against good teams, they're one and six last year. That's a problem.

Speaker 1 You're right about that. I mean,

Speaker 1 it's just a fact. They haven't had that signature-signature signature-signature win against a really tough team.
And the way they played in that game against the Chiefs, it was a quit thing.

Speaker 1 It felt like they quit.

Speaker 14 Well, and not just that.

Speaker 14 Mike McDaniel is a hell of an offensive coach. Might be the brightest offensive coach or one of them in the league.
But he's very tight with his players almost.

Speaker 14 Buddy-buddy when you watch their practices and stuff. And that always worries me a little bit.
I mean, like, guys go in and out of the drills.

Speaker 14 When the Commanders and Dolphins worked out, the Commanders were in full gear, and Miami's guys were in shorts, and their helmets were off at the beginning of practice.

Speaker 14 I mean, it's just a different feel. And maybe, I mean, that's who he is, so be true to who you are.
But I wonder sometimes if that flies when you get to toughness and tough games.

Speaker 7 He's too nice.

Speaker 7 He's one of those nice guys. Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean, at some point that shows up, doesn't it? I mean, isn't the proof in the pudding so far?

Speaker 14 He's got to dispel the notion that the Dolphins aren't tough enough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd agree with you. There definitely is.
It's the buddy-buddy thing, like if they don't win a playoff game this year, I think Mike McDaniel is a hell of a coach, like you said.

Speaker 1 But if they don't win a playoff game,

Speaker 1 the seat will start getting a little warm because, like, hey, you can break all the records in the regular season. You can have an awesome offense, but you got to win in January.

Speaker 1 That's what you get paid to do.

Speaker 14 And you got to win against good teams. I mean, even if you play good, look at their wins last year.
They weren't against good teams. You have to beat good teams.

Speaker 14 One and six against playoff teams, and Tua is no different. I mean, Tua hasn't been good against the playoff teams either.
So those two guys, linked together, have to be better.

Speaker 14 And again, I go back to my toughness, and I think that matters in the NFL.

Speaker 7 So who do you think is the toughest team?

Speaker 7 Pete Prisco's toughest team. Well,

Speaker 14 the Ravens are tough as hell, always.

Speaker 14 The Ravens are always tough, physical, nasty, and they replace guys with tough, physical, nasty guys. The Ravens, when you think toughness, the Ravens are always right there with it.

Speaker 14 And not because of the style of play either, just because of the mentality of the organization. They've always been that way.

Speaker 14 Going back to when they had the best defense in 2000, that group was nasty, and it's carried over. The Ravens.

Speaker 7 You've got to get a murderer on the team.

Speaker 1 Wow. Touch yourself up.
Wow. A legend.

Speaker 14 And then the Steelers are always tough, too. Those two teams, I think if you look at true toughness, those two teams are tough.

Speaker 1 That's why I think the Chargers are going to maybe be surprising people because Harbaugh will make a tough team.

Speaker 7 They will.

Speaker 14 He'll make a tough team. I saw you guys spawning all over Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 You love him. We love him.

Speaker 7 He's a great coach. We love him.

Speaker 1 Sorry you don't have access.

Speaker 14 He's a great coach.

Speaker 14 He's a strange man, but he's a great coach.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So, Pete, what about my commanders? Tell me something good about my commanders because I've started to believe just watching Jaden the preseason, he's so good.
He's so good, Pete.

Speaker 7 And Adam Peters said today, this is me like reading way too deeply into a quote and actually buying the bullshit that they're selling. They're not rebuilding.
They're recalibrating. Oh,

Speaker 1 they're in win-now mode is what he said.

Speaker 7 So we're in win-now mode. We're all in in D.C.
That's why we traded Jahan Dotson, probably.

Speaker 7 But tell me something good about him. What's the ceiling that I can expect?

Speaker 14 Eight, nine wins. Eight.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. I'll take

Speaker 1 nine. I heard that.

Speaker 14 I love Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 7 He's so good.

Speaker 14 I think he's the best quarterback in the draft. Sorry, big cat.
I thought he was.

Speaker 1 He's so good.

Speaker 14 And having watched him at Arizona State and then watched him play at LSU and now watching him now, he's the most improved quarterback I've ever seen in my life. And I've covered this a long time.

Speaker 14 At ASU, and I'm a sun devil, he went very good. What he became at LSU, he was outstanding, and he's only going to get better.

Speaker 14 When I watched him work out, and I hadn't seen him play live, but I watched him work out against the Dolphins, he made a throw to the sidelines, and that ball gets on that receiver receiver so fast.

Speaker 14 And with, you know, it's not, it makes it throws easy, and that's what you want to see.

Speaker 14 I think the commanders have their guy for the next 15 years, and he's going to be a star.

Speaker 7 Don't say that, Pete. Don't say that.

Speaker 1 I agree with you.

Speaker 7 Love that for you.

Speaker 7 It sounds so good hearing somebody else besides me say it. Thank you, Pete.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love him. I love him.

Speaker 14 Like I said, I had him as the number one quarterback. And

Speaker 14 Caleb Williams is number two.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't like Caleb Williams because he cried that one time.

Speaker 14 No, I mean, I don't like the crying.

Speaker 4 I admit that.

Speaker 14 I will never back away from that. Crying on your mom after a football game should never happen.

Speaker 7 And the pink phone, Real Men should never wear football.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 14 I don't care about any of that stuff.

Speaker 14 Who cares? I just think you shouldn't cry after a game.

Speaker 14 You just should.

Speaker 14 I told Kyle Long, you know, Kyle Long, I work with him. You don't cry.
I never cried after anything when I was growing up. Nothing.

Speaker 1 Well, you're a tough Italian man.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that seems like a personal thing. Maybe you should cry more.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When was the last time you cried, Pete?

Speaker 14 Probably over a death or something. I cry over that.

Speaker 1 Pussy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, that's not.

Speaker 14 No, crying over. Did you ever cry over anything you lost?

Speaker 1 Pussy?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 14 You lost a sporting event. Did you ever cry growing up, even as a pee weekend?

Speaker 1 I kind of cried a little, like, not cried, but I cried a little bit of the double doink, like a little teary-eyed.

Speaker 1 Like, kind of, it was kind of like talking, crying. No, you did.

Speaker 14 You cried over a win and the loss of the team you're rooting for? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I cried when the Caps won the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 I'll admit it.

Speaker 7 I was so happy.

Speaker 14 Did you ever cry over losing anything when you were a kid playing sports?

Speaker 7 No, because I never lost.

Speaker 14 Yeah, she did. That's true.

Speaker 7 You just have to be.

Speaker 7 Pete understands that you just have to be so good to never lose.

Speaker 14 No, you don't ever cry. No, you know why I never cried? As long as I did my job and I got my points, so I got my

Speaker 1 selfish guy. Self-looking great teammate.

Speaker 14 There is an eye in price go believe me i'm telling you

Speaker 1 uh pete you're the best we appreciate you as always uh hopefully we see you soon and uh let's have a great season

Speaker 14 and uh bears bears will be nine wins and the and the commanders might be close to them so you guys will have to oh how many how many wins will the patriots have for hank uh four

Speaker 1 okay he's expecting that i think more i think more play drake

Speaker 14 play drake may now please get Get on with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, get on with it.

Speaker 7 Why do you say that?

Speaker 14 Because

Speaker 14 why are you holding back? The sooner you get on, you find out what you have, the better off you'll be.

Speaker 14 And everybody says, well, if you drafted the, if he ruined his psyche, then, oh, wow, what do you do? Well, you know what? If you ruined his psyche, you drafted the wrong kid.

Speaker 7 That's true. Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks so much, Pete.

Speaker 14 You got it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest that people might not know of because this was the barstool gold era. Yeah.
An incredible interview. It is our friend Forrest Gallant, who is a scientist.

Speaker 1 What are the official things behind what you do?

Speaker 4 Wildlife biology. Wildlife biologist.
Adventurer.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Now I'm just singing my own praises over here. Wildlife biologist, adventurer, make TV shows, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so a lot of people are familiar with you, but it's very funny because we were talking about having you, you're in town. We're like, yeah, let's have them stop by.

Speaker 1 We loved having him on the first time. And then it dawned on us that it was during the Barstool Gold era.

Speaker 1 So this this should be new to a lot of other people for sure. Thank you for coming by.
My pleasure. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I just thought we were going drinking. So here we are.

Speaker 7 We put your ass on pay-per-view last time. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 Behind the paywall. That's right.

Speaker 4 I forgot about that. That's right.
That's funny.

Speaker 7 Yes, it's going to be fun to talk to you because I've been following some of your stuff recently. And I listened to, I think it was your most recent podcast where you came up with business ideas.
And

Speaker 7 I really liked your business idea, which was, was it the Toxic Masculinity Gym? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That would do well in Chicago. Where I live in Santa Barbara, I don't think it would fly.

Speaker 1 Out here, though, that could be a thing. Wait, why is Santa Barbara? Santa Barbara soft? It's soft.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I love it. I'm definitely going to get some hate for saying this.
I love living there. It's a great town.
It's a soft town.

Speaker 1 I don't think you can get... I don't think you can get hate for that because California, once you go to California, you just become soft.
But that's not like a, not in a bad way.

Speaker 1 It's just life is just more pleasant. Yes.
That's it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 The weather's nice. You don't have to be grumpy all the time.
But yeah, no, toxic masculinity. Just a gym where, you know, it's nothing but bros and death metal and Hooters girls are working there.

Speaker 4 And I forget what else we said in our life.

Speaker 7 There's like a Zen station, I think. That's it.

Speaker 4 There's a Zen station. You know, you mix your pre-workout.
Like, there's a shaker there. They mix it for you.

Speaker 7 There should be a girl that's working out doing very suggestive stretches.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 7 you approach her and you're like, hey, don't do that in my gym. My gym's not here for social media.

Speaker 7 My gym's here to work out.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 7 But you're filming that entire interaction for your social media.

Speaker 4 Because on your end, you're like, listen, I'm the hero of the story.

Speaker 1 Exactly. 100%.
I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 So, so give a quick explainer for the people who might not be familiar with you.

Speaker 1 You basically have lived your life outdoors. Yeah.
And you are one with nature in a way that we have never been.

Speaker 1 So you grew up in Zimbabwe and California, correct? Yep.

Speaker 1 So yeah, tell us the backstory of like, when did you start falling in love with nature and animals and being like, this could be a real living here where I go look for animals that people think are extinct or through all these videos.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I grew up in the southern African country of Zimbabwe. My family ran safari businesses.

Speaker 4 So since I was really little, the only thing I really knew and cared about was wildlife and being outdoors. And in 2001, Zimbabwe had like really bad political turmoil.
So my family came to the U.S.

Speaker 4 as refugees, and I came with them, bounced around government housing, all kinds of things, trying to get our feet under us.

Speaker 4 And the only thing that was like a common thread throughout my life, the only thing I really cared about was being outside and being kind of feral.

Speaker 4 Um, and you know, my sister grew up the same way, and she works in fashion, so I think it's just like the way I'm hardwired.

Speaker 4 And uh, yeah, so went to school, became a biologist academically, graduated, thought I was going to change the world, wasn't changing the world as a biologist, and then through a whole bunch of weird series of events, I got the opportunity to go on camera and talk about wildlife, and that reached millions of people.

Speaker 4 And I was like, this is it, this is how I can actually make a difference in wildlife and conservation.

Speaker 4 And now I've been to, I don't know, 80 plus countries, been bitten by everything, stung by everything, caught everything, had everything catch me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Just doing it all over the world. And I love it.
It's what I live for.

Speaker 1 The break you had was, you were on Naked and Afraid, right?

Speaker 4 I had to bring it up.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you dominated it.

Speaker 4 I did, yeah, I did. So, yeah, so the first thing I ever did, I came home from being a biologist, flopped down on the couch.
I was exhausted. I spent

Speaker 4 three weeks in a hazmat suit in like 100-degree weather, spraying weeds. And my girlfriend at the time was like, you got to go on this stupid survival show.

Speaker 4 Like, I know how good you are at this this stuff. And I went and did it, went back to being a normal biologist.
And the show came out and I crushed it.

Speaker 4 Like, I had one of the highest survival scores in the show's history. I thought it was like a vacation.
I had a blast. I barely lost any weight, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 then, yeah, I was like, this is my opportunity. So I started actually writing TV shows and putting them together, like reality shows, unscripted adventure shows.

Speaker 4 And it took three years from when Naked and Afraid came out till I, it wasn't long

Speaker 4 before I saw you guys, where I walked into my now business business partner's office and was like, hey, let's do this show. He owned a production company.
And he was like, yeah, let's try it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, holy crap.

Speaker 4 And then it managed to get a pilot and get picked up and turned into a series and another series and so on. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 That is very cool. Because you have a lot of the reality television

Speaker 1 people go on reality television and then they're like, oh, I'm talented in this way. You actually were talented.
Right. Went to reality television for one episode.

Speaker 1 And that luckily helped spawn what you are now.

Speaker 4 Well, my whole thing is I've always just stayed true to what I care about, which is wildlife.

Speaker 4 So, even while I was naked and afraid in the jungle, you know, running around with my balls out, I was like grabbing snakes and talking to them about in the camera.

Speaker 4 And the guy's like, Are you going to kill this thing and eat it or not? And I was like, Oh, no, I just wanted to shit, tell you about it.

Speaker 1 And they're like, Well, that's weird.

Speaker 4 So, I've just always sort of stayed true to what I care about, which is talking about wildlife and adventure. Because I think when people connect to the outdoors, it's the best thing for them.

Speaker 7 Yeah, when you moved to the United States from Zimbabwe, were there any animals that like we take for granted here in the United States that are around everywhere that you became fascinated with?

Speaker 7 Because you're like, oh, this is new. This is interesting.
Oh, big time.

Speaker 4 So salamanders and newts are like a new world species, meaning they don't occur in Africa. And I remember like we came to Oakland, California in the early 2000s.
It was a rough neighborhood back then.

Speaker 4 And my mom got a call from the Oakland Police Department because I'd run off from our like little apartment building and I was waist deep in the middle of the park catching newts.

Speaker 4 And they'd come and grab me and pulled me out because they're like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 4 because it's like you know san francisco everybody's walking around in their north face jackets like they're not they're not like a kid in the mud in the middle of a park catching newts and i was just like enamored with these things i'd never seen like a water lizard before you know and yeah and then underwater california is epic like there's there's white sharks and seals and sea lions i grew up in a landlocked country so all the ocean stuff was incredible to me yeah so what's uh what's the scariest animal that you've ever encountered like not face to face, but pretty much face-to-face.

Speaker 4 I mean, the scariest animal for me is mosquitoes, hands down.

Speaker 4 That's a boring ass answer oh shit so we've done we've kind of adventurous you've done it i'm a bad i'm a really wildlife expert myself wait why are mosquitoes just because they have all diseases exactly they carry the worst stuff okay yeah but that's a boring answer i mean i've had some pretty pretty bad stuff a couple stingray stings charged by an elephant i've had my canoe flip by a hippo like we've had some close calls that sounds scary to me the hippo i i've always heard they're the most dangerous animal yeah they're the most um unpredictably aggressive so they can be totally calm and then just kind of snap, you know.

Speaker 1 What is that about hippos?

Speaker 4 Well, what it is is hippos are they're not actually like a very aggressive animal. They're just a very nervous creature.

Speaker 4 And if a hippo can't submerge, meaning go all the way underwater, that's when they panic and attack. So their fight or flight is almost always fight.

Speaker 4 So if you trap a hippo in any situation where it can't go underwater, it feels like it has to fight to get out of that situation.

Speaker 4 So if you're taking your canoe and the riverbanks, you know, on this side and the canoe's stuck between you, or the hippo's stuck between you and the deep water, he's going to flip flip your canoe over.

Speaker 4 He's going to try and kill you to get to that deep water. So, any situation where they feel even slightly cornered, they're like, time to so that's so hippos aren't really like

Speaker 1 it's not they're ferocious, they're just kind of like nervous bitches, totally a hundred percent.

Speaker 4 And people don't know this, they either think they're cute and cuddly or ferocious, they're just nervous bitches straight up. They're like, they're like on edge.

Speaker 1 Hippos just needed someone to be like, they needed to smoke a little weed and just be like, dude, it's okay.

Speaker 4 You just got to start shooting them with Xanax, you know, and then they just bellow out.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they're so big and strong and fast that when they do get nervous, they can kill anything. 100%.
There's probably animals that are like them out there that have that same nervous energy to them.

Speaker 7 Right. That just don't have the ability to murder anything.
That's it. Right.
That's it. What about that? What about that crocodile, Gustave? Are you familiar with the legend of Gustav? I am.
Because

Speaker 7 I've heard both sides on Gustav. Some people think that some of his numbers are inflated.
Some people think that they're not inflated enough.

Speaker 7 So can you just explain who Gustav is and whether or not he's the real deal?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Gustave was a notorious crocodile that allegedly killed, what, like 12 people or something like that?

Speaker 7 I think it was way more than that.

Speaker 4 Was it more than that? And he was allegedly, I want to say, 26 feet long, something like that. It was supposed to be the largest crocodile in history.
You guys can fact-check me on all of this.

Speaker 4 I think those numbers are likely inflated.

Speaker 7 Because the numbers that are attributed to Gustave are 200 to 300 people.

Speaker 4 Okay, so a little more than 12.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but he was a famous man-eating crocodile that was said to be like 26 feet long or something like that. My take on that is definitely a true man-eating crocodile.

Speaker 4 Crocodiles are one of only three animals in the world that actually choose to hunt and eat people.

Speaker 1 Wait, what are the other two?

Speaker 4 Polar bears and tigers.

Speaker 1 They want us as snacks.

Speaker 4 They will actually choose to eat people. Like everybody thinks of sharks, right? Oh, sharks eat people.
Sharks don't want to eat people. No interest.
Right. Polar bears, tigers, crocodiles

Speaker 4 want to eat people.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 4 And which is scary because I'm doing polar bears for the first time in like three weeks.

Speaker 1 You are? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bring them a, well,

Speaker 1 we drink Pepsi here, but you could bring them the other one. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here you go. Have a poke a smell.
There you go. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Are you afraid of the polar bears?

Speaker 7 I've heard that you, if you are in an area with polar bears around, you just need to be like always awake, high alert, because if they smell you, they can smell you from miles away. Right.

Speaker 7 And if they want to kill you, you're already dead.

Speaker 4 I think that's relatively true. I wouldn't say I'm scared of them because I've never experienced them, but I'm wary because it's a totally different thing.

Speaker 4 And we're doing it on foot up in up in the Arctic in Canada,

Speaker 4 which I've never done before. So I'm really looking forward to it because my whole thing is figuring out all these interactions with wildlife.

Speaker 4 But it's a little bit different from like, oh, if I touch that snake, it might bite me. You know, that's a little bit different from like, oh, there's a polar bear somewhere around camp.

Speaker 4 So it'll be interesting, but I'm really excited for it.

Speaker 1 What's the gnarliest snake that you've been bitten by?

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 4 The gnarliest one is probably, and to be clear, I don't try and get tagged by any of these things, but you've never, you've definitely tried a couple times.

Speaker 1 There's a couple snakes where you're like, go ahead, bite me.

Speaker 4 Oh, for sure. I was doing that at a pet shop yesterday.

Speaker 1 You're a sick fuck. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But the gnarliest one is probably when I was a teenager, I got bitten by a little snake called a rhombic night adder.

Speaker 4 But when you're a kid, the venom from that can potentially kill you, and it did put me into like a small coma for a couple days.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 so I was playing with a snake down by the dam at our farm. I was 14 years old, 13 years old, and I got bitten playing with it.
And I was like, ooh, that's not good.

Speaker 4 So I circled it on my arm and I wrote the name of the snake down on my arm. I jumped on my little Pewee50 motorbike to rush back to the house to tell my mom.

Speaker 4 And I just remember my vision going like this. And the next, apparently, like some of the guys that were working on the farm saw me just like wipe out.
And they thought I just

Speaker 4 hit a bump right and wiped out. So my mom came, grabbed me, threw me in the truck and saw that I'd written it and circled it on my arm, rushed me to the hospital, and they were able to treat me.

Speaker 1 Wow. So if you hadn't written that down, you could have died.

Speaker 4 Maybe, because they would have thought I would have been discussing

Speaker 1 in a bike accident. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That was probably the worst one.

Speaker 7 You think that it's because you live in Santa Barbara that you have to go out and seek all these extreme, uncomfortable sometimes behaviors?

Speaker 7 Like if you lived in Youngstown, Ohio, would you still have that thirst to go out to the Australian Outback?

Speaker 4 Probably more so, right?

Speaker 4 I mean, maybe not if I'd grown up in Ohio, but I think...

Speaker 4 For me, it's not really about like the thrill seeking. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 Like, I won't tell you I don't enjoy it, but it's more about like communicating to the world how cool are these creatures, how cool are these adventures, like trying to inspire people to like care about the planet and getting outside and specifically the wildlife.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 one thing you do a lot of is uh, I guess, describing whether or not animals that are listed as extinct are actually extinct, yeah, like truly extinct, because sometimes they get put on the list because they're hard to find totally and they're in these remote locations, and it's expensive, it's cost prohibitive to go there and spend all those resources trying to be like, oh, here's a seahorse that I found that nobody's seen in like 20 years or whatever exactly i i had a thought though dude sometimes would it be beneficial if there's an animal that is let's say almost extinct let's say maybe there's like 50 or 100 left in the wild would it be beneficial to have whatever the governing body is say yeah that animal's extinct because that way people won't go and try to hunt it anymore I've thought about that as well, like from an ethicality standpoint.

Speaker 4 The problem is if you do that, it's like turning a blind eye. So there's no protections that can be put in place.

Speaker 4 So if you do that in an insanely remote place where nobody's actually looking for the animal or hunting it, sure, that could be beneficial to let sleeping dogs lie.

Speaker 4 But without exposure, there's no protections, right?

Speaker 4 Whereas, like, for instance, like with the leopard that we found or the tortoise that we found, if we hadn't gone and found those, nothing would have been done to attempt to preserve it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, likely somebody would have come along and just shot it or collected it, and you never would have heard about it, right? Because it would have just ended up in soup or a skin or who knows what.

Speaker 4 So, I think as long as it's handled the right way, the exposure for something that's been lost to science is really important because then all of a sudden the government can come in and go, let's figure out how to protect this.

Speaker 4 Does it mean building a national park? Does it mean collecting them and bringing them in a facility? Like, whatever it happens to be to try and help and hang on.

Speaker 1 What's your white whale animal that you think might not be extinct that you want to find?

Speaker 4 There's a couple.

Speaker 4 I think right now, the one that's at the top of my list, this is as recent as like three days ago, is I got a piece of information on, it's going to sound like a snooze, but the pink-headed duck, which is a little duck that lives in Asia with a bright pink head that hasn't been seen in like 50 years.

Speaker 4 And I got a tip? I got a tip, yeah. Got a tip, baby.

Speaker 1 Okay. A duck tip.

Speaker 7 This is a pretty cool looking duck.

Speaker 4 It's cool, right? It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 That's so funny that you got a tip. Somebody like, yeah, I saw him down by the 7-Eleven.

Speaker 7 That duck guy in Mongolia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 You guys don't have a duck guy?

Speaker 4 But yeah, so I got a tip for this area in Myanmar that's a big swamp that this guy thinks he's seen several of them in the last few years. And so, you know, we vet a lot of these things.

Speaker 4 It could all be smoke and mirrors, but it also could be legit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so what else? What other ones?

Speaker 4 That one's very high on my list. The one that sits on the top, Reigns Supreme, is an animal called a thylacine.
Do you know what that is? Yeah, that's the

Speaker 1 werewolf. It's like a werewolf.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Tasmanian tiger. Okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So, you know, I've gone to Tasmania and tracked it there, not found anything.
I've gone to Australia twice and looked for it there and not found anything. And

Speaker 4 because that used to range like 4,000 years ago, all the way from New Guinea, Papua New Guinea, Australia, and Tasmania.

Speaker 4 There are still ongoing reports from like tribes and villages of striped dogs and all these things in Papua New Guinea. So that's the area that I think needs the biggest exposure.

Speaker 4 And we have this whole plan put together: 300 trail cameras, the whole thing to like go out and do a big survey to find this thing in Western Papua. So that's like the white whale, right?

Speaker 4 That's the top of the charts. But it's funny because that animal has now developed a somewhat like Bigfoot demeanor.
It's from Australia, right? Australians are crazy.

Speaker 4 So they're all like, they see it like they're Bigfoot. So it's a bummer because it's not a made-up cryptid thing.
It's a legit animal.

Speaker 4 Nobody's seen one since, since the, I don't know, 50 years or whatever it is. That's crazy.

Speaker 7 There's one in the national zoo.

Speaker 4 In Hobart, yeah. Yeah.
Hobart, Tasmania. They had one named Benjamin.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so this is like a legitimate animal. Oh, yeah.
And people, when was the last sighting of it?

Speaker 4 I mean, recorded, confirmed sighting was like 12 years, it was like seven or eight years after Benjamin died, whatever that year that is, the one in the zoo.

Speaker 4 But unconfirmed, probably yesterday, right? You have all these like Australian rednecks out there in the middle of the country going, I saw one, it ate my sheep.

Speaker 4 They don't sound like that, but yeah, yeah. So there's reports coming in all the time.
That's fascinating.

Speaker 7 So, how do you do that?

Speaker 7 If you wanted to go to Papua New Guinea and find the thylacine, what's your strategy? How do you go about finding an animal that nobody's seen?

Speaker 4 Well, it depends on

Speaker 4 each of these things is unique, right? Looking for a snail versus looking for a Tasmanian tiger, two very different surveys and structures and everything else. For this, we need a big group of people.

Speaker 4 It's like a three-week trek into the area that we want to go. Then we'd establish a base camp.

Speaker 4 We'd spread out from there and do baited cameras, drone surveys, soundtracks, all kinds of different technology for up to like three months, and then collect all the data and go through it.

Speaker 4 And some of that's actual trapping. Some of that's sitting in blinds.
Some of it's just, you know, remote cameras, trail cameras, things like that.

Speaker 4 So it's a big to-do to put it all together, but we have some real hot tips from from that region.

Speaker 1 Have you ever? I mean, that sounds incredible.

Speaker 1 What goes on behind like trying to find an animal like that? Have you ever had luck where you've just shown up and seen it like day one? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 So, the biggest find we've ever had is this Fernandina Island tortoise, which is it's literally the rarest animal in the world.

Speaker 4 There's only one known living individual, and it's the one that we found. And before that, they'd only ever seen one before 114 years ago, right? And we, it's funny because

Speaker 4 somewhat controversial, but I remember talking to the government in the Galapagos and being like, hey, we're going to go look for that.

Speaker 4 And the guy literally like laughed at me like, you're, what a clown, basically, right? He's like, sure, permit approved. Go, like, knock yourself out, right? Like, quit wasting my time.

Speaker 4 And we went there and we found it on day three. What? Yeah.
And we like had like a whole like massive survey. We're going to cover the island, blah, blah, blah, blah.
We're just hiking.

Speaker 1 Was it swimming or on the land?

Speaker 4 No, it was on land.

Speaker 4 We like came over this little like lava rock ridge into this green area and we're like, there's tortoise poop. Five minutes later, we're like, There's the tortoise.
Holy shit!

Speaker 4 It was like, you know, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it, but I literally dove on it like it was a cheetah, it was a tortoise, and I just picked it up.

Speaker 1 It was like, Holy shit, holy shit, you know, like the rarest animal in the world. And how old was that tortoise?

Speaker 4 Uh, probably around 70, 80 years old.

Speaker 7 Wow, yeah, we have a box turtle here. His name's Mr.
Pear. Yeah,

Speaker 7 he's the only of his kind because he's the only gambling turtle.

Speaker 4 We're gonna go wrestle him after the show.

Speaker 7 Okay, yeah, I was in the Galapagos, this is like 12 years ago, and I did this big tour. And we had a local guy that was showing us around every day.
And so on day four, we were there.

Speaker 7 He was like, this is going to be my favorite day of the tour. You're going to meet Lonesome George.
Yes. The last of his kind, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 What was he? A Pinta Island tortoise or something. Exactly right.
Yep. He's like the last of his kind.
Some people said he was 80. Some people said he was like 170 years old.

Speaker 7 And everything in the Galapagos, there's just flags and merch that you can buy everywhere with Lonesome George's face on it or his body. And so I'm psyched.
And we're getting down from the beach.

Speaker 7 He's driving us back in this little Jeep. And then he pulls over to the the side of the road because he's getting a call, and he starts to cry.
And he's like, Lonesome George just died.

Speaker 7 He died probably eight hours before I was going to see it.

Speaker 1 No, well.

Speaker 7 I was so bummed out, but now I'm thinking, like, maybe there's another Lonesome George out there.

Speaker 4 Well, there is. It's our tortoise fern, right? And she's the one, like, it's a different species, the Fernandina versus the Pinta.

Speaker 4 But so the tortoise we found lives in Lonesome George's old enclosure.

Speaker 1 Oh, cool.

Speaker 4 She lives right there at the Fausto Lorena breeding center now.

Speaker 1 So now do you have to find a male to...

Speaker 4 That's the goal. Yeah, not, so I handed that over to the Galapagos government.
Like, I'm like the hide and seek king, right? They just bring me in to find it, and then I roll out.

Speaker 4 And they've unfortunately conducted three or four more trips trying to find another one and not succeeded. So they're continuing to try.
I wish them the best, but so far, no luck.

Speaker 7 There's got to be a girl out there. Got to be.
It can't be a sausage fest.

Speaker 7 So once they get this, if they were to find a female tortoise and introduce it to that habitat, then you run into the second problem, right?

Speaker 7 Because tortoises, they don't really like to fuck that much.

Speaker 4 So the one we found is actually a female. So they're looking for a male.
Okay.

Speaker 1 He's got to be horny. He hasn't

Speaker 1 fought him by himself in the woods.

Speaker 4 For probably 100 years. Yeah.
They want to get his rocks off. So,

Speaker 4 yeah, no, I mean, if they found them and put them together, I think it would probably happen.

Speaker 4 And the truth is that because they're all pretty closely related, you could probably take any male tortoise of any of the other species and put it in there, and it would probably happen.

Speaker 4 But that'll obviously muddy the gene pool, right? It's its own species. So I hope they find a male.
I really do. We saw evidence of another one like two or three miles from the one we found.

Speaker 4 So I think there are maybe some more individuals on that island.

Speaker 7 What's that feeling like when you see something that people thought was going off the face of the earth? What's the rush?

Speaker 4 The first time it happened, I actually didn't believe it was happening. And I was sitting on a bus in Zanzibar, reviewing thousands of trail camera footage, right?

Speaker 4 Trail camera is like a game camera you put out in the woods. And I was like, clip, clip, clip, clip, clip.

Speaker 4 You don't film me reviewing every clip because the odds of finding something are nearly nothing, right? All of a sudden, I clicked and I saw this leper just walk across the camera frame.

Speaker 4 And I like looked around. I was like, this can't be real.
And I clicked it again, clicked it again, clicked again. And then I threw my laptop off, ran over, head-butted my sound guy.
I swear to God.

Speaker 4 Like, I literally blacked out. Like, I just lost control.

Speaker 1 Pull the bus over. Pull the fucking bus over.

Speaker 4 Somebody thought I was like dying. You know what I mean? I just like freaked out.
I might have pissed myself. I'm not even sure, but no, I didn't.
But it was, you know, I just like lost control.

Speaker 4 Like, I couldn't actually believe it had happened. And then, you know, since then, we've found a lot of really rare stuff.

Speaker 4 So I'm starting to get slightly more used to it, but the rush never goes away. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's the rarest thing in the world, like, for me, you know, to find that to me is there's no greater accomplishments. Yeah.

Speaker 7 What about here in North America, in the United States? Are there any animals that have been labeled extinct that you think maybe still exist? Yeah.

Speaker 4 There's one that,

Speaker 4 did you guys have Colossal, the de-extinction company, on one of the barstool shows? I think you did, Ben Lamb.

Speaker 7 He might have been on one of the shows.

Speaker 4 Yeah, not yours, but one of the shows.

Speaker 4 I think he was on a barstool thing, but I'm working with him at Colossal Biosciences, and we're putting together a survey to potentially go look for the Florida Rainbow Snake, which is a snake that's only been seen like two or three times, lives like under the mud, under the water.

Speaker 4 So really hard to find, right?

Speaker 4 And I don't think one's been seen confirmed since the 70s. And South Florida Rainbow Snake, yeah.
So I think it's, I definitely think it still exists. I think it's still around.

Speaker 4 It's just a really elusive creature.

Speaker 1 That's so cool.

Speaker 4 Man, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 7 And then what were you doing?

Speaker 4 You were in Illinois.

Speaker 1 You said you were swimming with the Asian carp, which are, how does that happen, by the way?

Speaker 1 Explain the Asian carp because people have probably seen the videos where they're jumping out of the rivers in the Midwest and they're very dangerous for like their invasive species.

Speaker 1 People, I've seen videos where guys are shooting them with shotguns and everyone's like, why would you kill these fish? Like, no, they actually shoot them. Kill them.
Kill as many as you can.

Speaker 1 Explain how they got here, how it works, and then will they ever be gone?

Speaker 4 For sure, yeah. So in Peoria, Illinois, on the Illinois River, a couple places, but Peoria is like the HQ of it, there are these invasive Asian flying carp, okay?

Speaker 4 And what happens is these carp were introduced, I think, for food, some 50 or 60 years ago.

Speaker 4 And because they have no natural predators here, like they do where they're from, their population has exploded to the point that they now make up something like 75% of the biomass in that river.

Speaker 4 So 75% of living organisms in that river are these carp.

Speaker 4 And I could show you guys some videos, but because their defense mechanism when they're startle is to jump, which is a very unique thing among fish, you can drive a boat through these schools of fish.

Speaker 4 And all of a sudden, what looks like this beautiful, placid piece of river erupts with 10,000 fish flying into like 15 feet into the air. So

Speaker 4 we just started a YouTube channel about a year ago, which is just a fun thing, like something we were going to try out because, you know, I've been on TV a long time, but TV's kind of on its way out, like cable TV.

Speaker 4 So we're like, let's start a YouTube channel and we decided to go to peoria to look at the invasive flying carp for our youtube channel and we're filming and we did some hilarious stuff i was getting towed around in an inner tube with 10 000 fish jumping at like 40 miles an hour i'm covered in bruises i don't even know if you could see them fish smacking into you so hard dude i thought i was gonna get knocked out i took one to the dick it was terrible like i couldn't breathe for like 20 minutes it was like jackass level ridiculousness but it was super fun and so yeah so we were there trying to promote that people should go out and harvest these things and try and bring their numbers down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so will they ever be able to get these numbers down? Like, do they, I assume they shock the river every now and then? They do. They do, yeah.

Speaker 4 So they put out these big plates, shock the river, zap these whole schools of fish. And there have been like a government-level effort at eradicating them for, I think, five or six years now.

Speaker 4 And according to, like, our guy who was driving the boat, who was with us from this Peoria carp hunters, he said it's gone down substantially. Like, it used to be the whole river was exploding.

Speaker 4 So it sounds like they're knocking it down. The problem is these these things can spawn.
An individual carp can spawn a million eggs multiple times a year. Holy shit.

Speaker 4 So the likelihood of getting rid of them, I would say, is zero. You'll never get rid of them.

Speaker 1 And how did they get there? They just, someone brought one over? Like, how does that work?

Speaker 4 With a million eggs being spawned, all you need is one pregnant one to get in the river. And that's it, right? And it's an exponential growth.
So it's like, okay, there's a million eggs.

Speaker 4 Maybe only 100,000 survive or maybe 10,000 survive. But then that 10,000 reproduces a million each, another 10,000 each.
You know what I mean? So it's exponential growth.

Speaker 4 and they're still not at capacity. Like if the commercial efforts to remove them stopped, probably go from 75% of the biomass to 99% of the biomass.

Speaker 7 It's crazy.

Speaker 7 Can you at least eat them?

Speaker 4 You can. They're okay.

Speaker 7 I'll be honest. I wish they were tasty.
That would solve the problem.

Speaker 4 If they were salmon, it'd be no issue.

Speaker 1 Are they fun to catch?

Speaker 4 Oh, they're so much fun to catch. Okay.
Because you're shooting them out of the air with bows and you're on this inner tube with a net.

Speaker 1 Can you catch them with a rod? Like, are they, do they, will they bite? Like, no,

Speaker 1 they won't.

Speaker 4 Because they're filter feeders. So they're actually eating plankton in the water.
They're going through and like slurping up everything, kind of like a whale shark, like the gill rakers and stuff.

Speaker 4 I mean, you could probably snag them with a hook or something, but they're not actually trying to eat. So you have to come up with these outrageous other methods to catch them.

Speaker 4 And I'll tell you, it is wild.

Speaker 1 Like, it's really fun.

Speaker 7 What about just going on, like, I don't know, water skis with a baseball bat? Done. No problem.
Just keep them away as they jump in the air. You can absolutely do that.

Speaker 7 That would be a good fancy football punishment, actually. Just having somebody in an inner tube just get dragged around the river for like three hours, just walloped with.

Speaker 4 If you set that up, I will take your guy who loses at fantasy and get his butt kicked by car.

Speaker 1 No problem.

Speaker 7 Tarnish flying into his face. Yeah.
What about the Mexican grizzly bear? Yeah. That's an interesting, because it's like a silver bear, right?

Speaker 7 It's not white, it's not brown, it's got like a silver tunnel. Exactly right.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they called it,

Speaker 4 oh, I'm going to butcher it, but it's like oso platido, like platinum bear.

Speaker 4 And it meant the silver bear. And so grizzlies used to roam, you know, now we think of grizzlies, we think of Alaska, whatever, right? Way up north.

Speaker 4 They used to roam all all through North America down into Mexico, and Mexico had its own subspecies, which was the Mexican grizzly, the silver grizzly bear. In the 70s, I want to say,

Speaker 4 there was one in a zoo somewhere, and it died, and it was like, oh, that's the end of the species. Then 14 years later, a Mexican hunter shot one and brought it into town.

Speaker 4 So the species hung on 14 years after we thought it would have gone extinct. And it was a big, beautiful silvery bear.

Speaker 4 And the region that it lives in is still a pretty remote, like mountainous region. And there are still farmers going, oh, something came down last night and took my livestock.

Speaker 4 It's definitely not a puma. So there's like a faint shred of hope that it's still out there.

Speaker 7 And is that in like cartel country? Oh, yeah. So that makes it a little bit more dangerous to go hunting for the bear.
It'd be tough to explain to the Zetas. Like, no, I'm just looking for a bear.

Speaker 4 I think you could still do it. You know what I mean? Like, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 So I go down to Baja a lot.

Speaker 4 And I run into cartel guys quite regularly, and they're the nicest guys.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm not saying they're nice outside of when you're having an interaction, but as long as you don't get in their way, you know what I mean? They're not getting in your way kind of thing.

Speaker 4 Like, don't cross any lines, don't be an idiot, just be polite and respectful. I think you could probably pull it off, but it is very like deep in the heart of where all the turmoil is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, these, I mean, I love all these stories about all these different animals.

Speaker 1 Give me another one that's a scary animal that you've been like close to. The polar bears, I can't wait to hear how that goes.
That'll be fun. But what's another, like, whether it be a gorilla, snake?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 we're pussies. We're city guys.

Speaker 1 I talk a lot of shit on animals being like, I could take down a bear, knowing that I'll never face one.

Speaker 7 I mean, let's give ourselves some credit.

Speaker 7 There was an instance when we were out in Southern California playing Frisbee. True, true.
And a coyote walked right past us. I was ready to take it.

Speaker 7 And we just yelled at the coyote. We're like, come back here, get some, bitch.
Nice. And the coyote stopped and looked at me, and then I was like, no, you can keep walking and walking.

Speaker 4 You thought he looked at you like, I'm not messing with them. He looked at you like

Speaker 1 and just kept going. Yeah, but that's a coyote.
You think I could take a coyote?

Speaker 4 I do think you could take a coyote. They're pretty scrawny.
You're a big guy.

Speaker 1 I think I'd fuck coyote up.

Speaker 7 The best is it walks away from us and then we're like, yeah, walk away, bitch. That's like making us feel like we scared it off.
Yeah, we had a pug with us, so we didn't want the pug to get attacked.

Speaker 4 He would have eaten the pug for sure.

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 4 Another scary critter, right?

Speaker 1 That's an animal that

Speaker 1 you've gotten really close to or seen that's like majestic.

Speaker 4 One of the hardest things we've ever done, which to me is still one of my greatest accomplishments, is two or three years ago, we performed the

Speaker 4 largest elephant translocation in history. So we put together, it's a crazy story.

Speaker 4 I like sold this whole TV show and I took all the resources from the show and put it into this one conservation thing.

Speaker 4 So then the rest of the season was kind of fucked, but it was awesome because it was so worth it.

Speaker 4 Because I got a call from a buddy of mine from Zimbabwe, from my childhood, who goes, Forest, it's so tragic.

Speaker 4 There's this herd of 24 elephants that they're going to shoot right outside the city of Maputo because they're running through villages and they're killing people and they're squashing crops and everybody's angry with them.

Speaker 4 There's nothing we can do. And I was like, what do we need to do? He's like, we need like a big chunk of money and we can catch them and move them to this national park that's 300 miles away.

Speaker 4 I was like, give me a week. And I like called in every favor, every resources, got all this money, went there, flew into Mozambique.

Speaker 4 I won't bore you with all the specifics, but literally like three helicopters, four semi-trucks, two crane trucks, a crew of 60 people, like this huge operation, and successfully tranquilized, captured, loaded onto flatbeds, loaded into containment trucks, and transported 24 elephants without losing a single.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and there was some crazy stuff there because, you know, you're in a helicopter, you're darting an elephant, then you have three minutes from when you hit it till the tranquilizer takes effect and it falls to the ground.

Speaker 4 So you have to get three minutes, you have to try and hurt it with your helicopter. Then the second it hits the ground, you jump out, you run over.

Speaker 4 Elephants suffocate if they don't breathe through their trunks. So if they land on their trunk, they're dying.

Speaker 4 So you have three minutes to rip its trunk out from it, to let it breathe, to keep it stable. Then you cut a road in, like literally hand-cut a road in.

Speaker 4 In comes a semi-truck with a crane that lifts it up, puts it on a flatbed, then moves it into a conveyor belt truck that moves it into a transport truck.

Speaker 4 It was insane, man. And we're like...

Speaker 4 There's a clip of me in one of these shows where we hit one of the babies, but the dart doesn't go in all the way and it's trying to stay around its mom. So it's like freaking out.

Speaker 4 And I have to run over and like tackle this thing to the ground to try and like put it down and then give it more tranquilizer. And there's elephants all around.

Speaker 4 there's helicopters overhead it was insane but at the end of the day the the part of it that was so magical to me was it was all like this blur of adrenaline and craziness and like my one cameraman nearly died when an elephant kicked over a door and it nearly crushed him like it was insane but then we got there like 40 hour drive and we get there and we open the doors and out go these elephants in this protected national park and literally the last one like runs out looks back and trumpets like a thank you yeah and then runs off into the bush and we're like they're gonna live like they're safe And it was just such a rewarding thing to do.

Speaker 1 That's such a great feeling.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it really was.

Speaker 7 How long do you think you could make it just doing a nine-to-five job? Like if you were an accountant, you woke up tomorrow and you're like, okay, you got to commute 45 minutes each way.

Speaker 7 You're going to work in this cube and go home. Maybe three days.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think I'd be on really good behavior for the first day, like pretty cranky the second day and undeniably get fired on the third day.

Speaker 7 Did you ever think about like when you graduate from college, I don't know how your career went right after graduation, but for a lot of people, there's like a little in-between time where you don't know if your desired career, the one that you really want to do, is going to work out.

Speaker 7 And you're like, oh, maybe I'll just take a job because I need money. I got to have a place to live.
I got to have food.

Speaker 7 Like, was there a moment where you thought, like, okay, maybe I will just try to do something corporate for a little bit?

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I got out of college and I was working as a biology field tech, making like 12 bucks an hour.
And I like moved up the ladder. in that because I was good at it.

Speaker 4 Like I'd go out way harder, way longer than everybody else because I loved being outside.

Speaker 4 But what's so shitty about the sciences in that field, the better you get, the less time you spend in the field. Now it's like, oh man, you're really good at this.

Speaker 4 Move into the office, start writing grant proposals, manage a team. And so I started moving up.

Speaker 4 And I literally, I remember the day I walked into my boss Morgan's office and I was like, I want to go back to being a tech. He's like, you'll make half your salary.
I was like, I don't care.

Speaker 4 I just rather be outside doing stuff than doing this. And he's like, Okay, I guess.
Like, it's terrible for everybody, but if you want, and he like didn't understand it.

Speaker 4 I'm like, I don't want to be sitting in an office writing grant proposals. Like I want to be out in the field.

Speaker 4 So yeah, I mean I was on that ladder, you know, and then the TV thing happened and it was a full pivot.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's like the farther up you get, the more disconnected you get from the actual work.

Speaker 4 Which shouldn't, isn't that fucked up? Yeah. Because that's the opposite of how it should be.

Speaker 4 If you're an expert in adventure or wildlife or sciences or whatever, you should have to be working with the thing all the time to say that you're an expert on it.

Speaker 4 And what's crazy is, especially in the sciences, in the bio, in the biological sciences, the further up the chain you get, the less less time you get to actually interact and be observational with the creature.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it happens in sports all the time with coaches where it's like, oh, this guy's a great, you know, defensive line coach, and he's so good. He's now a defensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 Now he's head coach. He can't coach this position the way he used to.

Speaker 4 100%. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm a big rugby guy.

Speaker 4 Like Razzie Erasmus, the head coach of the Springboks, he sits in a box watching them all coach. And that's like mandated by World Rugby.
And it's like, he's the best coach that's ever existed.

Speaker 1 He should be on the pitch. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 Yeah, what Big Cat describes is why we don't have Jim Tom Sulas anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Just got elevated to the point of incompetence. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then now we're dropping down on messed up, man.

Speaker 4 It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 How long, I know you did the Naked and Afraid, but how long could you survive if we just dropped January? Was it forever? I mean, what would you? No.

Speaker 4 Survival for me is like... It's a means to an end, you know? And what I mean by that is I'm by no means the greatest survivalist or anything like that that's ever done it.

Speaker 4 Probably 99% of the people that have done shows like Naked and Afraid and Survivor are better at it than I am.

Speaker 4 I just have a different mentality.

Speaker 4 I like it. I think it's fun.
I'm not the guy that breaks down and cries about how hungry he is. I'm like, I don't know.
I'll just go find some food.

Speaker 4 So, like, I have a different mentality, but I don't have the technical skills that most of these survivalists have. Got it.

Speaker 4 Like, I can rub sticks together and make a fire because I've done it a handful of times out of necessity.

Speaker 4 I'm not a weekend warrior who spends every Saturday training and prepping and, you know, figuring out little fish hooks and stuff like that. Like,

Speaker 4 I'm more focused on the wildlife sciences. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, with the polar bear thing, what's your goal for the polar bear expedition? What are you trying to do?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so we're filming it for the YouTube that I mentioned, and the goal is to show people that they aren't mindless killing machines. You know, like they are really cool animals.

Speaker 4 So we're doing it on foot, like as a walking safari, walking up on polar bears.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I don't want to say anything before it's happened, but the goal is to be not interactive because we don't want to disturb them, but close enough in proximity to show, like, look at this, these giant white bears.

Speaker 4 They know we're here. They're choosing not to kill us or eat us, and we're just sitting here observing them.
So

Speaker 1 is there a chance you could be wrong?

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, there's a chance.

Speaker 1 You just walk by and they just, all of them charge you.

Speaker 4 That would not be good. Yeah.
That would not be good.

Speaker 4 I'm working with the, so we're doing this in Manitoba, Canada. I'm working with their travel board.
I have a feeling there'll be a guy there with bear spray and a rifle and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 But, you know, we're going to, they've done it before, to be clear, the Manitoba travel. And we are going to test the boundaries of distance and everything else.

Speaker 4 So, you know, there'll be a little give and take. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's kind of scary to be like, yes, we were wrong. We're not killing machines.
And they're like, no, we are.

Speaker 4 Oh, wait a minute. Well, I'll tell you this.
If I said that about crocodiles, and I'll get some hate from some of my close friends. Alligators, American crocodiles, sure.

Speaker 4 But if you say they're not mindless killing machines about crocodiles, like Nile crocs or saltwater crocs, they absolutely, they're mindful killing machines.

Speaker 4 Like, they're intentionally trying to figure out how to kill you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did. Didn't you like swim? Did you do something where you put like crocodile you wore basically crocodile armor? Yeah, yeah.
Can you explain that? Yeah, sure thing.

Speaker 4 So we went down to this place in Central America with American crocodiles, Crystal Clear Water, and I designed the suit that had electro-receptive blocking technology. It's called a hex suit.

Speaker 4 It's kind of like what's in the door of your microwave. You know, you could stare at a microwave without frying your brain.
So it had that technology in it.

Speaker 4 But then to go one step further, we made it all crocodile print and theme and colors and stuff with the idea of it being like biomimicry.

Speaker 4 Like look like a croc, act like a croc, and maybe the crocs won't eat you. And then we hopped in the water and dove with these crocodiles.
And it was, it worked.

Speaker 1 Like, we didn't, they didn't bother you.

Speaker 4 So, look, I'll be honest, I don't think you see this in the little film we made, but I had a broomstick with me for the first like day and a half.

Speaker 4 And every time they get too close, I'd put the broomstick between me and the Crocs and be like, look, like, you just kind of approach me.

Speaker 4 And then after doing that and conditioning them a little bit, they were like, okay, this thing that I think I'm going to go investigate is like a wooden stick. Like, I'm going to leave it alone.

Speaker 4 So then I was able to leave the stick alone and actually like swim and interact with them. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 So scary.

Speaker 7 You're also kind of insane. No disrespect.

Speaker 1 I don't think kind of, but I think it's very

Speaker 7 put on a crocodile suit. Maybe they'll think I'm a crocodile and then just swim around freely.
Maybe, I don't know. Like Big Kat said, we're kind of pussies.

Speaker 7 But when you're talking about animals that might get a bad rap, like bad PR, you're thinking maybe polar bears have been branded a little bit unfairly as mindless killing machines.

Speaker 7 I mean, they do kill and they have killed,

Speaker 7 but they don't kill for fun. They don't kill for sport, maybe.
What are some other animals out there that you think have a bad PR team?

Speaker 4 I think none go more so than sharks. Yeah.
Like sharks have the worst PR, especially like Florida. It's like another shark attack.
Like, don't come to the beaches, right?

Speaker 7 The news loves it. The news loves it.

Speaker 4 And I know because I speak on the news about this pretty often. I'm always trying to say the same thing, which is like sharks just being a shark.

Speaker 4 Anytime you enter into the ocean, you are signing a mental waiver of like, hey, I'm going into something else's domain.

Speaker 4 It's the only time, especially in like North America, where we're not at the top of the food chain. If you're swimming in the ocean off the coast of North America, you are no longer the apex, right?

Speaker 4 There are things above you in the food chain that can eat you, and you just have to be okay with that. And sharks aren't trying to eat you.

Speaker 4 Most of the time, they're coming around doing what's called an investigatory bite, where they're just going, is this food bite? Because that's how they taste something.

Speaker 4 Go, oh, yuck, I don't like human. It's gross, you know?

Speaker 4 And that's it. But that bite is enough to kill people.
So that's the problem.

Speaker 1 And is there a thing? Because it does feel like we'll just hear about, oh, yeah, this is a bad summer for sharks. Right.
Is that real or is it just.

Speaker 4 When's the last summer that wasn't a bad summer for sharks?

Speaker 1 True.

Speaker 7 It's always the summer of the sharks.

Speaker 1 There was that one. I actually went on vacation right by, I think it was on the panhandle in Florida.
There was that little

Speaker 1 beach. Yeah, Rosemary Beach and all that stuff.
There was that stretch where it was like a two-week stretch where

Speaker 1 three or four people were bitten and it was like, what's going on down here?

Speaker 4 So there's an interesting thing happening that. Most people probably don't realize.
One is, you might have heard about this this year. Like the water in Florida was like 91 degrees in like May, right?

Speaker 4 The water was like too hot. So when that happens, it speeds up the sharks metabolism.
So when they get warmer, they need to eat more.

Speaker 4 Now, at the same time, when the sea gets too warm, all the bait fish disappear. They go really deep.

Speaker 4 So now you've got a bunch of hungrier sharks because their metabolisms are sped up looking for food.

Speaker 4 More than they regularly would, more hungry than they regularly are in the dead of summer when everybody's going to the beach.

Speaker 4 So it's just this like confluence of situations where it's like, I'm hungry, I'm looking for food.

Speaker 4 And And then you have guys like splashing in the water, playing football, you know, or a chick with like some jewelry on or something, like shiny things.

Speaker 4 And the sharks are just like, oh, that could be bait. Boom.
And they go and bite it. And that's the problem.
It's like this.

Speaker 1 So they're not attacking. They're literally just thinking that it's food.
They're just hoping.

Speaker 4 They're like, oh, is this a food? Oh, no, it's not gross. You know, but a shark can't like pick it up and touch it and go, oh, no, this isn't good.
Like, their way of figuring that out is a nip.

Speaker 7 They nip you and then they're like, my bad. Yeah.
And then bleeding to death.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So people who are getting shark bit,

Speaker 1 bit by sharks are not even being like fully bit by sharks.

Speaker 4 No, they're being tasted. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's an appetizer. What about the inverse of that? Is there any animal that has a great PR team that is secretly kind of an asshole and dangerous? Pandas.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 dude. Pandas.

Speaker 4 They're dumb as shit. They will hand you, you could Google this.

Speaker 4 If you go to a panda in captivity and it has a baby and it's nurturing its cute little baby and you put out an apple, it will hand you its baby and take the apple.

Speaker 4 Swear to God, nobody talks about this. They're dumb as shit.
They're mean.

Speaker 1 They're terrible parents.

Speaker 4 They're bad moms. Yeah, and we're like, oh, the panda.
It's like the symbol for WWE.

Speaker 1 I love it. Videos where they're rolling around and looking dumb.
Because they're dumb. That's it.

Speaker 4 They got the easy street of PR, man. It's crazy.
Cats are.

Speaker 1 They are cuddly, though. Oh, they're adorable.
Yeah. So I had one last question.
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Speaker 1 So what animal do we need even more people?

Speaker 1 We have a colleague who's very funny. His name's Nick, and he has a theory that more kids should have octopus as their favorite animal.

Speaker 1 That they just have a really bad, they're just not in children's books. But an octopus is like the coolest animal.

Speaker 7 They're so smart. They're so smart.

Speaker 4 One of the guys on my podcast is convinced that they're aliens.

Speaker 4 He believes it full-heartedly, this guy Peter on The Wild Times.

Speaker 1 But you never see it in there. But you got foxes.
Nothing. You got pandas.
You got raccoons. You always eat.

Speaker 7 Sharks.

Speaker 7 They got the tentacles, and it's like there's always the scary music playing. Straight up.

Speaker 1 Straight up.

Speaker 4 No, I love it. I think it's a great call.
I think octopus are insanely intelligent. They can change the color of the skin, the texture of their skin.
They can hide in anything.

Speaker 4 They can make a clamshell their home.

Speaker 4 Epic predators. Like, they can go out and catch something with it.

Speaker 1 I saw a video of one of them catching a shark the other day.

Speaker 4 It's insane, right? They just reach out and grab it and pull it in. Yeah, they're awesome.
I think more kids, I agree with Nick, I think more kids have an octopus as their favorite animal.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 7 that doctor book, The Octopus Teacher, blew my mind. It's crazy.
Like, I made friends with an octopus. Straight up.
Yeah. They were just buddies and they'd hang out everywhere.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Just pals.
And it shows you that level of like cognitive intelligence where the octopus was like, oh, yeah, this is like an actual friend to me, and it's benefiting.

Speaker 4 me to have this relationship.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they're the best. Yeah, I love octopus.

Speaker 1 What about Orca?

Speaker 7 Where do they stand? Do Do they have a good PR team or a bad PR team?

Speaker 4 I think generally pretty bad because especially recently, right? They're knocking over boats and stuff.

Speaker 4 Until that, orcas have never actually hurt or killed anyone in the wild. All those orca deaths have been in captivity, it's that we know of that we know of, that we know of.

Speaker 1 Maybe they're actually just the best at covering it up. Like the Zodiac, yeah.

Speaker 7 True.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true. The Zodiac Orca.
It's a good movie.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I think that, you know, people are really scared of orcas, and rightfully so.

Speaker 4 Like, I've dove in with orcas, and it's the only animal, and I might have a different answer to this after the polar bears, it's the only animal I've ever been around where I feel completely useless.

Speaker 4 Like, if that orca wants to eat me, if it wants to smack me with its tail, wants to do anything, there's nothing I can do.

Speaker 4 You're in the water with a big shark, you swim at it, you like show aggressive body language, the shark's like, whoa, you know, you're in the water with an orca, it's like you're a ragdoll.

Speaker 4 Like, whatever they want to do, they're going to do. So, I think that they probably get like a pretty bad rap overall.
But for the most part,

Speaker 4 until recently, I guess, they don't want to have anything to do with us.

Speaker 7 Yeah, speaking of orcas, there was a situation last summer. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but there was an orca that was in Florida that was like kind of on her last leg.

Speaker 7 She wasn't doing well in captivity. The owner of the Colts, Jim Urce, was going to pay like $3 million to fly it across the country and then put it in, I forget which body of water.

Speaker 1 Let her go, though.

Speaker 7 Yeah, let her go. Basically, let her go into like a very large but contained area.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was like a natural area.

Speaker 4 I remember that.

Speaker 7 How would you transport an orca? How can you fly an orca?

Speaker 4 So they're like a lot of marine mammals, as long long as they stay hydrated and wet because they're air-breathing, they're actually okay.

Speaker 4 So, this is a bad analogy, but you know, you can see a turtle crossing the road, and you're like, oh, there's a turtle, right? Like, it should be in water.

Speaker 4 It's fine as long as it's wet and you know, stays like that. So, same thing with an orca.
You can transport them, they don't have to be in a tank of water, they just have to be wet and hydrated.

Speaker 4 And so, I imagine with that instance, you'd probably have in some kind of a containment, but you'd pick up that container, fly it, and land it.

Speaker 4 And it's not like it'd be a giant fish tank, it would just need to be wet.

Speaker 7 So, you just put a big whale onto a giant plane and essentially have a bunch of hoses that spray the oil, hoses, wet blankets, kind of thing, you know, towels, just keeping it really hydrated and wet water in its mouth, and then move it.

Speaker 7 Wow, because our producer Hank said that it couldn't be done. He said you can't move a whale.

Speaker 4 He's wrong, he knows nothing.

Speaker 1 Well, Forrest, thank you so much for stopping by. It was awesome to have you back on the show.
Again, also awesome because people are going to hear this for the first time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And everyone go check out his YouTube channel. And I'm excited to see the polar bears.

Speaker 4 Thanks, buddy.

Speaker 1 Be safe. I will.

Speaker 4 I promise. We'll talk about it next time.

Speaker 1 Yes, I hope so.

Speaker 1 Be safe, okay?

Speaker 7 When is he coming out?

Speaker 4 Probably like three or four weeks.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 7 We might have to see. Can you text me when you get home safely? Yes, I will.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, boys.

Speaker 7 Are your parents ever concerned? Are they like, which force?

Speaker 4 I don't tell them anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like us. We don't tell our parents

Speaker 1 our podcast. We're all black sheep here.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks so much, Force.
Thanks, boys.

Speaker 4 Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, it's time

Speaker 1 the Mount Rushmore reduel to decide who loses Mount Rushmore season, how we got here if you missed the duel on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 PFT won on the votes, and then we found out there was maybe some graphic things that happened. I actually, for people who are saying Hank's a sore loser, I do not think he was ready to take the loss.

Speaker 1 It's PFT's decision to reduel.

Speaker 7 It's my choice.

Speaker 1 So I do not think Hank was in the wrong whatsoever.

Speaker 1 There also, when you look back, there were some Max asked specifically what should be on the graphic, and that did change. So I think we're fair for a reduel.

Speaker 7 There are irregularities. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I accept that. I'm happy.
I am happy to abide by the outcome of this reduel.

Speaker 1 So for the reduel,

Speaker 1 Max will say, what do you want on the graphic? And there will be no changes. Is that fair? It's fair.
Not a single change from the words you want on the graphic. Hank? Yep.
That's fair. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. So it's going to be a one Mount Rushmore reduel.

Speaker 1 Before we do it, we have the hat with the punishments.

Speaker 1 So you guys can pick. and this is actually fun because whoever ends up winning this will not have to do the punishment they picked, which is going to be a great cancellation.

Speaker 1 There's four punishments in here. There is LeBron's points.
There's winning a natty in NCAA 25.

Speaker 1 There is running a marathon. And there is a nine-darter.
Doing a marathon. Doing a marathon.

Speaker 1 You're right. Doing a marathon.
Completing a marathon. Doing a marathon.
Completing 26.2 miles

Speaker 1 in one setting.

Speaker 7 If I complete the marathon, can I not tell people people about it? Well, you're going to stream it.

Speaker 7 As long as I don't actually say the words, I ran a marathon.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So, and you both get a veto. So, if you, if you, if you get, if you pick one that you do not want to do, you can then just take it out of the hat.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Who picks first?

Speaker 1 If you use your veto, you can't be like, oh, but actually, I want to do that. That's fair.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Who would like to go first?

Speaker 7 I'll go first.

Speaker 1 PFT is taken from the hat. PFT,

Speaker 1 what is your pick?

Speaker 7 My pick is

Speaker 7 LeBron's scoring record.

Speaker 1 I would veto that if I were you.

Speaker 7 How long do you think this is going to take?

Speaker 1 I think it will take you like four days.

Speaker 7 How many points could that guy have scored?

Speaker 1 All right, quick math. How many threes did we say he hit?

Speaker 7 Well, he scored zero points in college.

Speaker 1 How many threes has LeBron James hit? How many threes do you think you could hit in a minute, PFT? Two. Two in a minute.
So just the threes.

Speaker 1 So that would be... Okay, so just the threes would take you...
2.5.

Speaker 1 We're going to go with two, and we'll just see. Just the threes would take you 20 hours.

Speaker 1 And that's non-stop. Two a minute.
And that's non-strew a minute.

Speaker 1 You could hit more than two in a minute, though.

Speaker 1 All right, let's say you could hit five in a minute. Okay.
Five in a minute

Speaker 1 would be...

Speaker 7 10 hours ish.

Speaker 1 So we just put an impossible thing on one of the punishments. Because no one was ever doing this,

Speaker 1 that's what you're saying. Well, no, you can shoot, you could shoot threes.
That would take you eight hours if you had five a minute. I mean, Hank, you could probably hit ten threes a minute.

Speaker 1 So that would take you four hours.

Speaker 1 Like, I think you could do it, Hank. I don't know.

Speaker 7 Is it? And that's total. No, that's just his threes.
Just as threes. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's just layups. Yeah, that is just layups and free throws.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to repick. Okay.

Speaker 1 What pick do you have there?

Speaker 7 I got marathon. Oh,

Speaker 1 okay. So PFT will be completing a marathon if he loses.

Speaker 1 Give me a bag.

Speaker 7 When is it said marathon?

Speaker 1 I'd say it has to be within the next three months. Is that fair? Was on the Chicago Marathon? Well, we were saying we could do it, but I don't know if you can enter at this point.

Speaker 7 I would almost rather

Speaker 1 hoops to go through.

Speaker 7 I would rather do the marathon that's like two weeks from now, three weeks from now, than to have to wait three months and have that over my head.

Speaker 1 So you want to say within a month?

Speaker 7 I'll try to do the Chicago Marathon if I lose. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 1 let's say by the Chicago Marathon, whether it be doing it on your own or doing the actual Chicago Marathon.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because I don't want to have to spend like three months actually training for a marathon. Correct.
The worst part is.

Speaker 1 That's perfect. The Chicago Marathon is Sunday, October 13th.
Okay. So you have to have completed a marathon by the end of Sunday, October 13th.
And you could do it. You could do it.

Speaker 1 We could do a stream or you could actually run it.

Speaker 1 We would have to find someone who would run in front of you with the backpack, okay?

Speaker 1 Hank, come on,

Speaker 1 Henry is picked

Speaker 1 nine darter.

Speaker 7 I would veto that if I were you.

Speaker 1 Well, so we're not going to do regulation length, we've established that it'd be a fair length, but

Speaker 1 I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it. Wow!

Speaker 1 Now I want Hank to lose. I didn't want to do like a marathon would kill me.

Speaker 6 So what exactly is a nine-darter again?

Speaker 1 It's 180 points

Speaker 1 in nine throws.

Speaker 7 So you have to make nine darts as triple twenties. No.
No,

Speaker 1 you could do it in any order, right? Is there multiple ways to get a nine darter?

Speaker 1 So, yeah. Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 I thought it was nine triple twenty. Oh, no, wait.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no. It's, oh, my God, it's even worse.
It's 501 points in nine darts. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of different combinations, but.

Speaker 7 You have to get exactly 501? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 there's a bunch of combinations. You get 320s, 319s, and a double 12.

Speaker 1 320s, 315s, and a double 18.

Speaker 1 317s, 318s, and a double 18.

Speaker 7 Those seem like they might be doable.

Speaker 1 And then there's also 320s, 319s, and a bullseye.

Speaker 1 Because what were the, it was marathon.

Speaker 1 Wait, is it is it's three triple 20s, right? Yeah, it's not just three twenties. So we would, we would come up with a fair distance.
It would not be the regulation distance.

Speaker 1 We've established that it would be a distance that is fair to having it be a possibility. So are you going to keep it?

Speaker 1 Because what's the third one besides all college football? Yeah, that.

Speaker 1 You can do glitch plays, but

Speaker 1 I don't want to risk it. I don't want to risk.
Yeah. I don't want to risk getting marathon or LeBron.
I mean, the nine-darter would be electric. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you getting a nine-darter would be an absolute. And I think the physical toll on my body.
Yeah. You might actually end up just getting really good at darts.
Yeah, which that's a bonus.

Speaker 1 Okay, and then should we just say for fairness that you have to do the nine-darter before October 13th as well? That's fine. All right.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 And if I don't get, if I lose and I don't get into the Chicago Marathon for whatever reason, you'll just run it. I will run an an alternate marathon.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Prior to that, I think it'll be.

Speaker 7 And then I'm going to bike around the entire island of Manhattan.

Speaker 1 I will as well. What?

Speaker 1 And then we're going to eat shit if Florida State loses their next game. Yeah, that fucking coward.

Speaker 7 It's crazy. What a coward.
I ate shit for the Capitals, and it wasn't even - it was after a win.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This also just reminds me that when I pick my pinky team this year, I mean, every year it's in the back of my head, but

Speaker 1 just the accident. I have to fucking

Speaker 1 cut off my pinky. Okay, are we ready to go, boys? We got to also odds or evens on the lottery ball decide who goes first.
Hank.

Speaker 7 Odds or evens.

Speaker 1 Evens, please. Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank has selected Evens.

Speaker 7 Pick a number two, Hank. I'm going to take eight.
40. And if you get it right, then you want to.

Speaker 1 Automatic win.

Speaker 7 Automatic win, yeah. Automatic win? Three.

Speaker 1 Evens, three does not count.

Speaker 1 43.

Speaker 7 That would have been all time.

Speaker 1 So, PFT, would you like to go first?

Speaker 7 I would like to go first, big cat.

Speaker 1 Okay, so get the timer up.

Speaker 7 And we're doing a minute and a half, Hank.

Speaker 1 You guys can take two minutes.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 We haven't started. I haven't said the topic yet.
Two minutes. Two minutes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We're going to do because this Mount Rushmore season has been very fun and we're thinking about all the moments and what was the moment that stuck out the most.

Speaker 1 How did you say it on the graphic?

Speaker 1 What color is it? Arguing about the color of cheese.

Speaker 7 What color is cheese? Yeah, what color is cheese?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we're going to do a color.

Speaker 1 We're going to do the Mount Rushmore

Speaker 1 of green.

Speaker 1 The boys are writing. Mount Rushmore of Green.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 I'm just trying to think of who I want to do their punishment.

Speaker 1 I think both are great. I'm excited about both.
I actually would have dreaded if one of them had landed on LeBron. I would have been like, this is actually not going to be possible.

Speaker 2 The Nine Daughter could be just as bad.

Speaker 1 And the Nine Daughter would be electric.

Speaker 2 But the Nine Daughter, I like because it could be so long or it could.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he could incredible.

Speaker 2 He could just be a beast.

Speaker 1 The fact that there's multiple ways to get it, too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it's not like you can mess up.

Speaker 1 No, you have to be perfect.

Speaker 1 But like, think about the stream and having

Speaker 2 the stream. Like, once he gets the first five in a row.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Oh, it would be so good. I want the nine darter.
The marathon would be funny. But the nine darter could be.

Speaker 1 Like, the nine darter is great just because it's.

Speaker 1 You get the moment. You get the moment, and you also get like he'll have moments where he'll get seven in a row and then fucks up.

Speaker 2 There'll be so many moments for the nine.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I want the best man to win, yeah.

Speaker 2 The nine darter.

Speaker 7 I want to watch the nine darter show

Speaker 1 either way. We've we figured out uh so next year we were talking about it, we'll do Mount Rushmore season, kind of like rivalry week, we'll have duel week where we're all duel each other.

Speaker 1 So, like Monday, like I'll duel Hank, Max will duel PFT. Tuesday, I'll or Wednesday, I'll duel Hank or Max, PFT, and Hank.
So, we'll do a dual week that will, it's like the in-season tournament.

Speaker 1 Dual week will be electric. Dual week will be electric.
I fucking love the duel. I'm addicted to the duel.

Speaker 1 I just went to sleep being like, duel, reduel. Re-duel.
I woke up in nine seconds.

Speaker 1 I was like, little brawn meme. I can't believe this is my life.
We're redueling.

Speaker 1 Do you guys need more time?

Speaker 1 Do you need more time? Time is up.

Speaker 1 I'm good. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And obviously, I don't have to say this, but I'll say it just because we've had controversies. We're taping this

Speaker 1 at 11.45. The poll's not going up until 2.
Please, no funny business on Twitter with any tipping picks or anything.

Speaker 7 I'm not going to tweet anything just to be safe.

Speaker 1 Yes. Hank, you agree.
No funny business. And then we will all not look at our phones from 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock.
Yep. And then we will find out live who has won the Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFT, you have first pick.

Speaker 1 What is your first selection for Mount Rushmore of green?

Speaker 7 My first pick

Speaker 7 is going to be

Speaker 1 weed.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 7 Taking weed right off the bat.

Speaker 1 That wasn't my 1-1.

Speaker 1 Marijuana. Wow.

Speaker 7 Greenleaf. Reefer.
Wow.

Speaker 7 Jazz cigarettes. Wacky tobacco.

Speaker 7 Just weed on the graphic.

Speaker 1 Weed.

Speaker 7 It's good for you.

Speaker 1 On my graphic, I would just like the word cash. Love that.
That was my 1-1.

Speaker 7 Cash is good. Cash is good.

Speaker 1 Not money. Some would say good.
Just cash.

Speaker 7 We got to have this clear. Some would say cash is king.

Speaker 1 Cash money. Cash money.
Cash money. Okay.
That's smart. That was smart.
All right, so you have just weed, not marijuana. Two, I would like it on top of each other.

Speaker 1 You want it marijuana or weed?

Speaker 7 Now I feel like I'm being coached into saying marijuana. No, I'm just asking.
I'm going to stick with weed. Okay, weed.
All right.

Speaker 1 Great. That's a good one.
I like it. I like it.
I just want to. We're just making sure there's no issues when we get to the graphic.

Speaker 1 Whatever is said in these white lines is going to be put on the graphic, no changes. That's fair.
Okay.

Speaker 7 My second pick will be

Speaker 7 football field.

Speaker 1 Good one.

Speaker 7 I thought about doing sports fields.

Speaker 1 No, football fields. But football fields better.
It's a good pick.

Speaker 7 It's a good pick. That moment we talked about it where you're walking through the concourse and you see the green through the cement.

Speaker 9 It's a good pick. This is a strong start today.

Speaker 1 Strong start.

Speaker 1 Both boys have been making

Speaker 1 the right moves.

Speaker 7 I got to say, I'm deep in my own head, though, because I didn't even have cash on my list. That was my 1-1.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I actually, we had the discussion. It was two minutes, yeah.
Beforehand, we were like, we didn't want to pick a Mount Rushmore that had like a a boobs or something.

Speaker 1 That and we were we had the discussion: is money too much of a one-one?

Speaker 1 But listen,

Speaker 1 weed was a great pick,

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 Your second pick.

Speaker 1 Oh no, the lights are kind of going out over here.

Speaker 1 The lights are kind of going out.

Speaker 1 There's another strong one out there.

Speaker 1 I don't have a lot.

Speaker 1 Kelly green jerseys.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm in a bad spot. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We were making the right picks until then.

Speaker 1 Okay. I mean, it's tough.

Speaker 1 I really don't have. I'm screwed.

Speaker 7 Hank, I did have Kelly jerseys on my list, but it was way down there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I don't. My list is fucked.
All right, PFT. I'm going to go with Ireland.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What does that mean?

Speaker 7 Ireland's green. The Emerald Isle.
That's what they call it.

Speaker 1 What would you like on the graphic? Ireland. Okay.
How is Ireland green? I think

Speaker 1 we went off the board here. No, Ireland's a good pick.
You're wrong about Ireland. How is it green?

Speaker 1 Explain to me.

Speaker 7 Ireland is known as being a green island. Yeah.
It's green.

Speaker 7 They call it the Emerald Isle.

Speaker 1 I can't speak because

Speaker 1 I don't want to have anything be changed or anyone think of things

Speaker 1 we'll discuss after.

Speaker 1 Henry, your third pick.

Speaker 7 Are you out of picks?

Speaker 1 I just don't have any good ones.

Speaker 7 There's one that I thought Hank would have for sure.

Speaker 7 Wow, this is tense.

Speaker 7 This is tense. The boys are stuck.

Speaker 7 The boys are stuck.

Speaker 1 He's got something. What happened? Oh, it just went away.
It went away.

Speaker 1 He had it. He had it.

Speaker 7 Latch back onto that, Hank. Whatever that thought was.

Speaker 1 Chase that.

Speaker 1 Chase that thought.

Speaker 2 I can just feel the nerves in this room.

Speaker 1 Chase the thought.

Speaker 7 Chase the thought, Hank.

Speaker 1 Find it.

Speaker 1 You have a good draft going right now with cash money. I really don't.
Cash money's a great pick. Four-leaf clover.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's not terrible.

Speaker 2 That's a pretty good pick for you.

Speaker 1 You might be better than Ireland if you were going to go

Speaker 7 disagree. Much worse.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 7 I think this is going to wrap it up for me.

Speaker 7 The green jacket.

Speaker 1 That's a good pick. The green jacket.
That's a really good pick. That's a really good pick.

Speaker 2 I didn't think of it, and it's really, really good.

Speaker 7 I did not think that that was going to last this long.

Speaker 1 That's a good pick.

Speaker 2 I can't believe you went Ireland over the green jacket.

Speaker 7 Because I knew that Hank didn't have the green jacket, because if he did, he would have said it earlier.

Speaker 1 That might have wrapped it up. Yeah, that wrapped it up.
Congrats, PFT.

Speaker 1 I'll go with

Speaker 1 Nickelodeon Slime. Oh,

Speaker 1 I don't hate it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's not a bad pick to just pull out of the air. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the reason why I was pushing back on Ireland. So that's it final? Nickelodeon Slime?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We were talking before.

Speaker 1 St. Patrick's Day, just picking St.
Patrick's Day would have been a banger pick. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I feel like Ireland.

Speaker 1 I was waiting for that over Ireland.

Speaker 7 Ireland contained St. Patrick's Day, but it's much, much more than that.

Speaker 1 I'm shocked.

Speaker 7 Graphics, St.

Speaker 1 Patrick's Day would have been a huge hit.

Speaker 7 I think Ireland, just as its own, is good. But,

Speaker 7 Hank, I am shocked that you took Kelly jerseys over Celtics uniforms.

Speaker 1 I was trying not to tip. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also had. I figured you weren't going to tip.

Speaker 7 I had J-Lo's dress. You remember that dress? Oh, yeah.
That was a good one. That was a great green dress.
Snakes.

Speaker 7 Snakes?

Speaker 1 Just snakes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's not a good pick. I'm just saying green.

Speaker 9 I'm just saying green things.

Speaker 7 Parrots are good. Avocados.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, what are you writing?

Speaker 1 I'm writing them out.

Speaker 7 You're doing a manual graphic?

Speaker 1 What else? What else did you... Memes, did you think anything? Green jacket.
I mean, that was a good pick.

Speaker 7 Memes thought about the Jets.

Speaker 2 Mr. Pear.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah, Mr.

Speaker 7 Pear.

Speaker 1 Mr. Pear would have been good.

Speaker 1 Crocodile. Dinosaur.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 7 dinosaurs are a big miss, yeah.

Speaker 1 Dinosaur would have been good.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to, I was going to be hot sauce all over again.

Speaker 1 But I was thinking like

Speaker 1 tropical water, tropical ocean water. Yeah, that would have been a good one.
For sure, blue. Yeah, it's blue.
It's blue,

Speaker 1 but sometimes it can be a bigger. Oh,

Speaker 7 Shrek's a big miss.

Speaker 1 Shrek's a great one. Damn.

Speaker 1 Shrek is a great one. I think the Kelly green jerseys and the green.
I don't know. Maybe I think Philly will show out.
Watermelons.

Speaker 1 I also think

Speaker 1 the thing that, if, which I don't think it really played any factor,

Speaker 1 like people voting for certain people, but

Speaker 1 you having weed

Speaker 1 and me having Kelly Green jerseys might

Speaker 1 and you having a green jacket might, you know, sway people to think it's me, but I don't think that matters. I don't think that mattered.
And

Speaker 1 although except for the hang ninja turtles oh ninja turtles would have been fucking dynamite

Speaker 7 yoshi

Speaker 1 that would have been dynamite i think i got a shot cash money is a big one it is that's a that's a good one if i did four leaf clover is a good counter to ireland yeah i would have taken it

Speaker 7 knowing what i know now i would have taken cash money 1-1 over weed yeah yeah

Speaker 1 i think it's gonna be i i don't i'm not green jacket might be the one that if you you had gotten one other solid one, if you'd gotten like Ninja Turtles or something. Yeah, but football.

Speaker 1 Everyone loves the Kelly Green jersey. It's true.
I had football stand-up.

Speaker 1 Okay, boys. So we'll find out at the end in a minute.

Speaker 1 While you're listening to this in a minute, but in a couple hours here in real time, who lost Mount Rushmore season. Good work.
We feel good about the reduel?

Speaker 7 I think it's fair. Same.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 And what were no graphic changes?

Speaker 7 No, can you read off the graphics officially now?

Speaker 10 We're going to.

Speaker 1 No, I can't do that right now. The other one we were thinking about doing, which we can just save for next summer, was one-time PMT guests.

Speaker 7 Oh, that would be good. Yeah.
That'd be a really good one.

Speaker 6 We'll save that for next summer.

Speaker 2 I wanted to do cheese.

Speaker 1 Official graphic, team one.

Speaker 6 Official graphic team one, weed, football field, Ireland, the green jacket. Team two, cash money, Kelly Green jerseys, four-leaf clover, Nickelodeon slime.

Speaker 1 I would like cash on top of money. Yep.
I would like Kelly Green on top of jerseys. Yep.
Four leaf on top of clover.

Speaker 1 Nickelodeon on top of slime. Oh, okay.
That is exactly how it is.

Speaker 7 I like however, however, memes and Shane formatted is good for me. I'm not going to be a pain in the butt and ask you guys to change things.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's go.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Good job, boys.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 It's time, boys.

Speaker 7 It is time. Oh, it is time.
Before we do it, do we want to address a recurring guest, one of our best friends in the

Speaker 7 world, Jerry O'Connell?

Speaker 7 Last time he was on the show, I think we talked to him.

Speaker 7 One of the things we appreciate about Jerry is he's our guy.

Speaker 7 And he said that he had said no to all the podcast requests that he had in the past to talk about fantasy football. And this morning he was on Good Morning Football talking about fantasy football.

Speaker 1 Look. Squad.

Speaker 7 Now, he was adamant that that doesn't count as cheating. And I I agree with him.
Yeah, he just did butt stuff. I agree with him.

Speaker 7 In the same way that if his wife, Rebecca, came on our show without Jerry and talked to us for a long time, just shot the bull, whatever, had a cool hang.

Speaker 7 That wouldn't be her cheating on Jerry. No.
That would just be us becoming really good friends with Rebecca Romaine.

Speaker 1 I saw this.

Speaker 1 It hurt me. I'll be honest.
It hurt me a little.

Speaker 1 I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it because I love Jerry, and I know Jerry.
It's, it's, it, it more, I don't blame Jerry. What if it keeps happening?

Speaker 1 Then we're going to have. No, you know what? Jerry can do whatever he wants.
I'm not going to put a restriction on Jerry. It's more that the good morning football is just trying to rip us off.

Speaker 1 That's more what it is. But Jerry can be Jerry.
I love Jerry. I'll never be mad at Jerry.
I can never be mad at Jerry.

Speaker 1 And I actually wouldn't have even thought of it if he didn't, you know, it was kind of, it was kind of foreshadowing.

Speaker 1 The fact that he was so proud of never, of turning everyone down we should have been like huh that's weird we didn't even we i didn't even think about it like of course you can do whatever show you want you're a grown man but he like bragged about it and we were like oh this is great he loves us the most and then he went and did that if he never brought that up to us yeah then i wouldn't i'd be like yeah jerry yeah of course talk fantasy football all the time whoever you want he basically was like i'll never cheat on you yeah

Speaker 7 now he's going to start suspecting us of cheating that's what he's going to he's going to go on there and be like i went on good morning football and had the best sex of my life yeah

Speaker 1 I'm fine with it for Jerry's sake because he is a star and I love him. I just wish that, you know, I wish, whatever.
We need to get,

Speaker 1 let's see, oh, no, River Phoenix, he's dead.

Speaker 1 Corey Feldman. I think we just get Rebecca.
Corey Feldman's still alive. We get Rebecca on.
I'm going to say

Speaker 1 some other actor from Stand By Me and just have them be our fantasy expert.

Speaker 7 Kiefer Sutherland? Kiefer Sutherland.

Speaker 1 We get Kiefer Sutherland.

Speaker 7 He's got a great voice. Yeah.
Is Corey Feldman still alive? I think so, yeah. The other

Speaker 1 Corey passed away. That's right.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Corey Feldman's in a band. They sound like Limbiscid.

Speaker 1 Okay, so maybe Corey Feldman is going to be our new fantasy expert. Yeah, I have no problem, though.
Jerry can do whatever he wants. Yeah, I love Jerry.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 It's time.

Speaker 1 Let's reveal. Good luck, Hank.
So, memes, you're going to tell us the percentages, and then you will tell us the teams.

Speaker 7 And the stakes are:

Speaker 7 if I lose, I have to run a marathon. If Hank loses, Hank has to get a nine-darter.
Nine-darter.

Speaker 1 And this is it. This is final.
This is the Mount Rush final season.

Speaker 7 This is PFT.

Speaker 7 Bring it on.

Speaker 1 You think he did it? Yeah. You think he won?

Speaker 7 I think I did too.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 1 Are you ready? Are you ready? Yes.

Speaker 7 All right. Percentages.

Speaker 1 The percentage.

Speaker 6 25%

Speaker 1 to 75%.

Speaker 1 Congrats, PFT.

Speaker 1 Henry.

Speaker 2 You are the loser.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, he's taking off his headphones. I thought it was going to be closer than that.
I did too. Where do we think it went wrong? Green jacket hurt.

Speaker 1 Cash money was a great pick.

Speaker 7 Great first-round pick. Kelly Green Jersey.

Speaker 1 I just didn't have a lot of picks. I really had nothing.
I was out.

Speaker 1 Shrek.

Speaker 1 But, like, I don't even know what else. I had raised it.
Ninja Turtles. Yeah, Ninja Turtles would have been good.

Speaker 1 What's going through your head right now?

Speaker 1 180.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm going to be there at that stream. Not the whole time, but there will be times I'll be there, and I'm going to be pumping you up and rooting for you.

Speaker 7 The fun part is going to be we can get some dart players to come in and show Hank how to throw darts.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What if we got Michael Van Gerwit? What if we got someone on the show?

Speaker 1 That would be awesome.

Speaker 2 Oh, we should try and get

Speaker 2 like we did

Speaker 2 Pete Weber

Speaker 2 to do a celebrity.

Speaker 1 He gets a celebrity dart. Oh, if you can get what, yes, celebrity dart.
Can't be the last dart. No, but you can get a celebrity dart for sure.
We did do that with Pete Weber. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're going to do this.

Speaker 7 I don't think it's going to take that long.

Speaker 1 I think you might do it right away.

Speaker 7 I didn't know there were so many different combinations.

Speaker 1 I don't think I've ever gotten two triple 20s and one out of three. But you don't know what's going to be closer.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you're going to be closer. And there's the other combinations you can go for.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 I'm ready. I'm ready to face a challenge.
Congrats, PFT. Thank you.
Do you think it's a little bit just because you were the grumpiest for Mountain Rushmore season?

Speaker 1 This is not me asking. This is the AWS.
Yeah, I mean, I had a bad Mountain Rushmore season. I think it would have been a miracle if I hadn't lost.
So

Speaker 1 I was happy I made it to a duel. To a reduel.
Even getting to a reduel was kind of a crazy run. Double duel.
Yeah, we stayed alive. We fought.
We fought until the very, very end. You did.

Speaker 1 Any flags you want to throw?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I didn't even bitch. I don't understand.

Speaker 1 I wanted to end it last night. I said, PFT, just do it.
And PFT refused. No, I didn't have to do a duel.

Speaker 1 I wasn't like.

Speaker 7 I wouldn't have been able to look myself in the mirror. Yeah, PFT had a guilty conscience.
It was me. It was me.
It was not Hank. Hank did not cry and ask for a reduel.

Speaker 7 In fact, Hank was yelling at me because I was trying to offer the reduel, and he just wanted me to stop talking. Hank was willing to accept the reduel.

Speaker 1 But people listened to that and still were like, yeah, I was crying the whole time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they're just jealous of the summer of Hank, which is over, and I'm taking the front of the blame. Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 2 I also'm not going to say

Speaker 2 right off the bat, but

Speaker 2 there might be a situation where Hank may need to earn some mulligans.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 2 In the nine-darter. Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 7 But like, let's, yeah, we have to say that now.

Speaker 1 Like, 10, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's a good, that's a good point.
I think there should be like

Speaker 1 some hour benchmarks where, you know, 10 hours in, he gets a mulligan. Yes.
12 hours in, he gets two mulligans. 14 hours in.
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 Because I think 24 hours should be the cap. And we should just get you there.

Speaker 7 It'll be fun if I'm not trying to have you there.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not having you there.

Speaker 1 No, this is the thing. This is where it's like, you guys pick punishments.
I'm going to do it. I don't want to get bailed out.
I don't want to be like, oh, like, because then I'm not asking for this.

Speaker 1 You're saying this. And then you go, oh, okay, all right, all right, all right,

Speaker 1 we're trying to think of what would make for an entertaining stream.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And maybe like Hank

Speaker 7 doing a dizzy bat, and then if he hits the board on his first throw, then he earns that mulligan after a couple hours.

Speaker 2 There was also mulligans in the free throw stream. That was a great stream.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be. Mulligans aren't bad.
Yeah. It makes exciting.

Speaker 2 It does.

Speaker 1 But the free throw stream couldn't have ended.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, we couldn't have ended the free throw stream.

Speaker 1 After 24 hours. We weren't going to just end that stream.
Yeah, true. No, yeah.
So the 24 hours thing I'm wrong about, but you should get some mulligans baked in.

Speaker 1 That, I think, is fair. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I see what you're saying. Like, we're not going to do like a.
He's saying there shouldn't be a cap on the hours because

Speaker 1 you're right. You're right about that.
I agree with that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But mulligans

Speaker 1 may need to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 Okay. If I got the number, would you switch? Wow.

Speaker 1 If you get the number, I think it should be if anyone gets the number, they have to switch.

Speaker 7 If you

Speaker 7 get the number, Hank,

Speaker 7 we'll switch and I'll do the nine-darter.

Speaker 1 No, I think it should be if anyone gets the number, they have to do it with Hank.

Speaker 7 If I get the number, I'm not going to get it, so man. If I get it, I'll also do my punishment.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 If I get the number, I'll do the nine-darter with you. All right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 56.

Speaker 1 8.

Speaker 1 3.

Speaker 10 18. 20.

Speaker 7 What's Pug gonna do? 20.

Speaker 1 No, 40, 40, 40, 40. Oh, fuck.
Fuck.

Speaker 1 Can't do that, Henry.

Speaker 4 97, Pug.

Speaker 1 40, 40, 40, 40. 21.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. No.

Speaker 1 10.

Speaker 1 I saw that one and fucking. Woo!

Speaker 2 I said 10 last show because of Ben.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 that's right. You're right on it, Max.

Speaker 7 Love you guys.