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We got our good friend Pete Prisco previewing the NFL season, which is one day away. And then we have an awesome interview with Forrest Gallant, who actually we had an interview on the old Barstool Gold days.
So a lot of people probably didn't hear it. Really fascinating dude.
He basically travels the world searching for animals, extinct animals, animals that we haven't seen in hundreds of years. Swims with sharks.
Really, really cool interview in person. Like one of those ones that you walk away, you're like, damn, that was very interesting.
He's in the Naked and Afraid Hall of Fame. very interesting he's in the Naked and Afraid Hall of Fame

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Mount Rushmore reduel

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We're ready. It's NFL Eve.
It's NFL Eve. Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, all rolled up into one.
I'm ready. I'm excited.
I'm so excited. I'm too excited.
Yeah. I'm too excited.
I found that I've been just pulling random people aside and having conversations with them, and they always roll back to Jaden Daniels. And I'm always saying the same thing.
My analysis of Jaden Daniels is identical every time. He's so good.
Yeah. And that's all I've been talking to people about, and I feel like this is the year it all turns around.
Yeah, and we have the Thursday night game, the Friday night game, full slate Sunday. Yeah.
Great Monday night nightcap. Yeah.
Yeah, where we might lose a member of the show. Yeah, memes.
Memes, have you purchased the bomb-making supplies just in case? Not yet. Okay.
That's probably smart. That is smart.
So, we have our Pete Prisco preview. We did our Dan Orlovsky preview yesterday.
We got to do a preview of our own. Should we start? Maybe we end with the coach's draft.
Or should we start with the coach's draft? Let's do the coach the coaches draft you wouldn't do it right off the bat that was a quick turnaround for starter end yeah because i've i realized that the coach draft is fun and we can and it it's it helps preview everything so we're gonna do we did this last year we drafted every nfl head coach basically who you trust who you who you believe in and uh we'll put we'll post it it's not a mount rushmore because it's eight picks each but it will be a poll that people can vote on at the end and see who has the best eight pack of nfl head coaches uh how do we want to start who wants to go first max you want to go first sure okay uh pft why don't you go first okay i'll go first and then we'll go are'll go – Max. Are we doing Snake? We're going Snake.
Okay. So it'll be me, Max, Hank, Big Cat, Big Cat, then back around.
Yes. Yes.
So this is your number one head coach because you have the first pick. Number one head coach.
Many would say the best coach of all time, or at least in the conversation. Yeah.
Andy Reid. Yes.
Andy Reid. Good pick.
Great coach. Looks good in shorts.
I do. I keep going back to just the Chiefs are going to win it all again.
I feel like this is all leading towards the same conclusion. I'm not going to pick the Chiefs.
I think I'm going to pick the Chiefs. I will end up betting on the Chiefs, but I don't think I'm going to take the Chiefs.
Yeah. I don i don't know what's gonna stop them it's almost like the more distractions they get in kansas city the better they get yeah and they have the ability to take all the distractions and actually become more focused and the minute you get to the point where you're just saying oh well they're they're just tired of winning that's probably why they won't win that's not a real reason not a real one no no not at all uh okay max um i am gonna go with this is good that we just we're detoxing from mount rushmore season by doing a draft yeah it's good it's totally different yeah totally way different i'm gonna go with jim harbaugh oh right off the bat okay hasn't coached the nfl in a while but obviously national champion three three NFC championships, a super bowl appearance friend of the program three uh nfc championship appearances yeah friend of the pro good friend of the program you think he's gonna miss having connor he doesn't know him i also think there's a chance he could have connor yeah we don't know we don't know okay Hank I'm gonna go with another good friend of the

program Super Bowl champion ah third longest tenured NFL coach John Harbaugh oh I thought you were gonna go with a different friend of the program good pick good pick good pick uh I was gonna I was gonna possibly pick him all right so I'll go with the I'll go with the smart kids in the same division.

I'll take Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan back-to-back.

Kyle Shanahan where he was on the Eagles could had a lot of really good teams couldn't get over the hump kind of goes back to what I always think is good as the coach is it's always about the quarterback because he got Patrick Mahomes and Kyle Shanahan he took Jimmy G to a Super Bowl that. That actually might be bigger than a Super Bowl.
Yeah. That might be more impressive than a Super Bowl.
Yeah, yeah. I love Kyle Shanahan.
Like, I think almost every team, maybe there might be one or two teams that would take him over their current head coach if everything was equal that we've already said. Yeah.
He's that good. He is.
But if he can, maybe Brock Purdy is the quarterback, but that really is,

it's funny how it goes down.

Like Andy Reid, if he just retired after the Eagles,

be like, yeah, he was a good coach, never won anything big,

and then he has Patrick Mahomes in his life, and he starts winning big.

Yep.

Okay, Hank.

I'm going to stick with hard-nosed football.

Mike Tomlin.

Good pick. Nice pick.
Great pick. I had him next on my board.
We're about to fall off a cliff. I'm going to go with another vet in the game.
Hasn't figured out with this team quite yet, but I think he will. Sean Payton.
Okay. All right.
Interesting. It was a horrible draft for Max.
It's a tough love kind of guy. Yeah.
Max doesn't really know good coaches, though. Yeah.
Bad draft. Okay.
PFT, you got two. Okay.
I'm going to go with Dan Campbell. Good pick.
Dan Campbell. Great coach.
Good pick. Love what he's building up there in Detroit.
Yeah. Good pick.
That's a good pick. And we talk about Dan Campbell with Pete Prisco.
I think Pete's wrong about Dan. Yeah, I do,.
I think we're right about Dan. Yes.
Next, I'm going to go Kevin Stefanski for the show. Coach of the year twice? I think he's – is he? Because the coach of the year, it's funny.
It's like – Matt Nagy won a coach of the year. You could give it every year to Bill Belichick when he was in the league or Andy Reid, but it's usually a guy that makes the playoffs that you don't think is going to make the playoffs.
Two-time coach of the year. Which is funny because you could also make the same claim that Kevin Stefanski might be underrated as a head coach.
Yeah. I mean, I think he's a very, very good head coach.
Yeah. Yeah, and it's not biased.
Did he get a dog for his kids yet? I don't know. I need to know about that.
We'll follow up with that. Okay.
Maxie. I will go Mike McDaniel Okay What about Mike McDaniel In under 40 degree weather That's That's That's the word I'm looking for You can find it Yeah you No, random.
They say in the court of law, it's random.

That was the word you were looking for?

No, there's a random.

No, objection.

Erroneous.

Does that make sense?

Erroneous.

Mike McDaniel, he's got a fun offense.

He's got a fun offense.

Erroneous.

And the cold weather doesn't show his actual coaching prowess.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

This is stressing me out.

There's too many names.

There's so many names.

That's right.

Okay.

Hank.

I'm going to go with a guy that they kept around for a reason.

He must be good.

Matt Eberflus.

Troll pick. Good pick, Hank.
Troll pick. Yeah.
What do you mean? Yeah. Okay.
Okay. I see what you did there.
I see what you did there. They kept him around for a reason.
He has to be good. In the fourth round? Yeah.
If you guys are going to be winning football, you have to have a good coach. Relax.
Relax. Troll.
Troll pick. I don't understand how you could be selling yourself so high on the Bears but not be high on the head coach.
Because it's the players. Jimmys and Joes, not X's and O's.
You ever heard that saying? So then we should be doing just a fantasy draft. In Big Cat's mind, what's happened this offseason is Matty Braflusa said, I'm only going to do defense.'s it.
Yeah. Shane Waldron's got the offense.
He's not going to do any offense game management. I don't know who's going to take over in that department.
You won't even have to manage the games. He'll have figured it out this offseason.
Yeah. I have question marks.
There's question marks. We'll find out.
We'll find out. Hey, listen.
I wanted Jim Harbaugh. I recruited Jim Harbaugh.
My recruiting fell short. All right.

Let's go with Matt LaFleur, friend of the program,

and a guy I'm very high on, D'Amico Ryans.

Oh, I had both those guys.

Yeah.

Good pick.

Yeah, so I'm going with the young guns.

Okay, I like that.

A lot of the young guns.

Hank, this is where we fall off a cliff.

I don't think so.

I've been sold a lot on this guy.

Oh, I was saying more just in the fact that we can't remember who we picked. Oh, yeah.
This is another guy, big expectations. He's a veteran in the league.
Dan Quinn. Okay.
Oh, yeah. I like that.
So, Matt Eberfloo's better coach than Dan Quinn, though? Yeah. Yeah, because you picked him earlier.
Turn your hat backwards when you say that. What do you like about Dan Quinn? Defensive, hard-nosed, gritty.
He's going to get the players going. Yeah.
Great offense. Great offense.
Went to a Super Bowl. Went to a Super Bowl.
Uh-huh. Had a 25-point lead in a Super Bowl.
Yeah, one of the best teams of all time. That's very hard to do.
Yeah, it is. How many teams? I don't like Kyle Shanahan taking Jimmy G.
Those actually should be Super Bowl. How many teams and those two guys are not related whatsoever in that Super Bowl, Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan? Not at all.
With Dan Quinn building that 25-point lead against one of the greatest teams ever and the greatest player ever, that should actually count as two Super Bowls. Two Super Bowls.
That's so hard to do. Super Bowls.
Multi-time Super Bowl winning coach Dan Quinn, kind of. of.
Max is in the booth. He's taking off his shoes and socks to try to count to 10 here.
It's stressful. There's a lot going on.
Every time I look up, he's just freaking out. Well, there's so many names.
I thought we were just going to do four. All of the names really just got to me.
I'm going to get ahead of Hank's troll picks, and I'll go Nick Sirianni.

Smart.

You blocked the troll.

How are you feeling about Nick Sirianni?

All in.

He's going to be a leader of men this year.

We got good guys around him.

This is the year.

This is the year that he gets it done.

It's actually funny because he's a leader of men this year.

The five of us.

Not in past years.

Last year, he didn't do a great job leading men, but this year he's back leading men. What's the most important part about leading a man? Just showing a good example of what it's like to be a man.
Okay. Such as? So would you say Dom is the head coach then? No, but having a good guy like that by your side shows that you know good guys to be around.
But if you have Dom next to you's gonna look and they're like hey there's nick sirianni dom that's a man and that's a whatever it is it's a team it's a team game it's not one person it's just like showing a good surrounding in the organization of leadership and nick sirianni is at the head of that not dom he dom's right there he's always next to him yeah so like when you're looking at sirianni you're also. Not Dom.
Dom's right there. He's always next to him.

Yeah.

So like when you're looking at Sirianni,

you're also looking at Dom.

But also with Nick Sirianni,

it's like...

You can't look at Nick Sirianni

without looking at Dom.

He's always there.

But Nick Sirianni can't be a man

without a real man behind him.

Correct.

It's like, oh, I have to have my...

My dad follows me around

in case I get into any trouble.

Nick Sirianni is basically one of those TikTokers that goes to the mall and tries to fight people, and then their security guard steps in. It's like Robin Big.
Yeah. No, but it takes good leadership to know that good leadership should be around.
You need a bodyguard at all times. Right.
Yep. It takes someone who's very honest about themselves not being a man to admit they need a bigger man.
That's not what I said. That's not what I said.
Okay. I'm going to go with Big Dom.
Okay. I'm going to go with Big Dom, and then I will take...
Are we allowing Big Dom? No, we're not allowing Big Dom. We should.
Okay, I'll take... I'm going to go with Zach Taylor.
People forget. People forget about Zach Taylor.
They do. I think he's a very good coach.
I do too. He kind of flies under in cincinnati a little bit and uh he did a good job without joe burrow yeah when he was hurt yeah i think he's a very good coach uh next up i'm gonna go with doug peterson super bowl super bowl winner he won a super bowl yeah a lot of people say that it couldn't be done in philly doug peterson did it super bowl winner good now that's good and then they ran him out of town.
Yeah. No.
Shouldn't have. Good guy.
I'm going to go with Shane Steichen. Ah, good pick.
That's a good pick. Good pick.
Good pick. Has anyone taken Antonio Pierce? No.
Then I will do that. Good pick.
Run to the program. Okay.
I'm going to have those boys fired up. Okay.
I will go with... No, I don't want him.
want him oh i'll go with a newcomer we don't know what he is yet but if we're basing it off of his defense last year i think he's going to be a very good head coach i'll take mike mcdonald yep seattle seahawks head coach i think he's going to be a very good head coach uh and then i will also take uh this is where we we yeah i'm lost oh you know what friend of the program uh yeah some of the seasons haven't gone very well at the end but he's got his team competing every single year for afc east championship sean mcdermott good pick they've won four afc east yeah and if you if you look at what the bills were before mcdermott compared to with him obviously josh allen made a a big difference too, but he's done a good job when he's not making 9-11 references. He's 73-41 as a head coach.
Yeah. That's pretty damn good in the NFL, in the National Football League.
I will go with a newcomer. Newcomer, unknown, but based on his defense last year, I think he's going to be good.
Jared Mayle Oh, okay. Nice.
You got all the guys. Nice.
Good pick, Hank. Memes just sit there.
Couldn't help but notice that you took Antonio Pierce before Mayo. Mm-hmm.
And Matt Eberflus and Dan Quinn. Yeah, what's interesting about Pierce is Pierce actually.
Well, Matt Eberflus kept him around for a reason. And you know that Dan Quinn went to a Super Bowl.
I hate you so much. And you know that Antonio Pierce – Antonio Pierce came on the show.
If Mayo came on the show, I would have taken him before. Well, Antonio Pierce is such – he was such a good player that he beat maybe the best team of all time in the Super Bowl.
You remember that? Mm-hmm. I do.
He did beat probably the best team of all time in the Super Bowl. Well, that means they're actually not the best team of all time.
Because you lost it, probably. Okay, Max.
This is where I think that I screwed something up. Someone picked Kevin O'Connell, right? No.
No? You got him. That's good value.
I had him on my list. I had him on my list.
That is a good pick. I think he's a very good coach.
Don't we all have every person on our list? Yeah, I'm actually looking just the wikipedia of list of current nfl quarterback or coaches we have them on our list i i freaked out i just started writing everyone's name down i've been crossing things i i'm like charlie in from always sunny right now with these this list you're like memento it's yeah i'm flustered kevin o'connell is a good coach yeah and i think if sam going to be the year. Seven-year bump.
We spaced on Kevin O'Connell. Yeah.
That's all that was. I did have, I was looking at his name, but Sean McDermott has done more in the NFL.
Okay. PFT, you have two picks.
I get two picks now? And then we're getting to the end end. Yeah, we are getting to the end end right now.
There's a big, fat the room i know and i don't want to take him uh i'm gonna go with raheem morris okay falcons i think the falcons are gonna be spices here he had he had a 25 point lead in the super bowl against the new england patriots at one point yes people forget that yes that. Yes, that's true.
So I'm going to take him, and then I'm going to go with Brian Callahan. Nice.
I like Brian Callahan. Also AWL.
Is he really? Yes. I like Brian Callahan a lot.
Obviously, he hasn't done anything as a head coach yet, but you get him and his dad as a package deal, both Callahans. Big Tom, little Brian.
don't know his dad's probably not tom callahan that's tommy boy i'm thinking of but off the board but his dad is maybe the best offensive line coach in the nfl yeah that's a fact that's a fact okay there's like three names that i don't want to pick that i'm just hoping i can play it correctly just just hold your breath yeah yeah. Yeah.
I'm going to go with Jonathan Gannon.

Pew, pew, pew.

Pew, pew.

Explosives.

He was underratedly not that bad last year.

Okay.

Yeah, I actually am high on the Cardinals offense this year.

I think it's going to be a fun watch.

Very fun watch.

Hank?

Listen, fellas, winning a Super Bowl in this league is tough. Oh, he's You need someone with Super Bowl winning experience You need someone that's had that experience He's gonna you know Get the boys through the long playoff run Mike McCarthy Long playoff run I don't think he's ever been on a long run Long long playoff run Okay This is.
How are you guys doing this without crossing names out? Because I'm just looking at who we were doing it. But how do you just remember that? Listening.
All right. Because there's some guys that we don't want to take.
We're just hoping that somebody else takes them. I'm going to pick one of probably the most vocal, boisterous guys out there, leader of men, Todd Bowles.
Todd Bowles. Back-to-back NFC South championships, anyone? Yeah, Todd Bowles.
He used to be one of the top ten coaches in the league. Yeah, he did.
He used to be. And then you know what? I'll do it just for memesy.
I'll take Robert Sal robert salah bald head i think robert salah would have been fired if he didn't have a bald head you think if he had hair i think if he had hair he would have already been fired i think the bald head you just see it it's like power is it too it's shiny bald yeah i just think there's something about him the aura yeah i think that you've noticed this in the off season with salah he's he's had it he's like sick of talking to people yeah everything yeah this is he's got a he's got a win for his own mental health like which i like a coach backed in the corner yeah he he's definitely in that fight or flight right now and it seems like everything that's been going on with the team has been uh nothing to do with actual football and so he is probably just he's wishing

that somebody would ask him a question he's missing the days about answering relentless questions about zach wilson he misses that he's sick of talking about where his quarterback going to egypt and a guy that's on the team that's not on the team he just wants to be able to like get mad at the media for treating his quarterback unfairly yes i'd agree okay, last round. I think there's a better bald-headed coach in New York

with championship experience, Brian Dable.

Okay.

You see, Brian Dable is taking back

play-calling responsibilities this year.

Oh.

Just announced that.

I don't know if this was a thing that happened

earlier in the offseason they agreed on

or if it was like the preseason sucked.

So that would be a panic move if they flipped it up right now. But, yeah, he's back calling plays, which is, if you look at the trajectory, I'm not saying he's going to be fired.
I like Brian Dable. But the trajectory of a coach who's on his way to being fired, it does involve the play-calling duties going back and forth.
Yeah. Brian Dable has six rings.
Straight crazy. Stud.
Five Super Bowls and the college football national champion for Alabama 2017. Stud.
Brian D'Abel should remake the MJ picture with his rings. That'd be cool.
Okay. There's two left.
I'm going to go with Dave Canales. PFT got the stinky one I watched a clip of him on X yesterday talking about whether he was going to go with a bell cow approach or a committee approach at running back and that's what I got on him that's literally that was the first time I'd seen the man's face and I'd be like who's this guy and then I was like oh this is the Panthers and the cookbook yeah yeah the cuck book he wrote a book about cheating on his wife yep love it we actually should do wait don't love it you don't well no you don't love him apologizing for cheating on his wife it was apology book oh love it yeah it wasn't like oh dude my wife doesn't even know i'm writing this book yeah i read the first chapter of it which was like listen i fell asleep and when i woke up, I was in my wife's friend's bed and I don't know how it happened.

Fake. I read the first chapter of it, which was like, listen, I fell asleep, and when I woke up, I was in my wife's friend's bed, and I don't know how it happened.
Fake news. That doesn't mean cheating.
So we're taking Dave Canales over Dennis Allen. Be honest.
Did you forget about Dennis Allen, Max? No, I had him on here. I honestly saw that he was a coach for five years of the Saints and i like didn't even know that yeah he's just kind of like a big nothing guy oh he's nothing he's got no picture on wikipedia he's been he's just been kind of there it's crazy yeah he's he's a total nothing can you imagine living in new orleans for five years and not doing anything noteworthy at all it's crazy he's just and his name is boring too yeah it's two first names just like oh yeah dennis allen like if you pulled 100 people i think i think the majority would still say sean payton you think so yeah if you did like one of those drunk nashville videos yeah it just kind of seems like they've been 10 guys in new orleans making the, and then Allen is just the guy that stands on the sidelines nodding his head.

Yeah, figurehead.

Okay, that was a good draft.

Yeah.

Got me pumped up for the season.

I'm very excited.

I'm going to read this Dave Canales book.

Yeah.

All right, so what else do we want to do?

Any other predictions?

Book report.

I'll do a book report on it.

I like the idea, PFT, we should do a round of just what's the worst thing that could happen. Yeah.
For each of us. Do we want to do that? It's scary.
Yeah. Confront your fears, though.
Or should we do it for each other? You want me to start? What if Hank just says it? Yeah, Hank, do it for all of us. Hater Hank, yeah.
Hater Hank. No, no, no.
No, Hank, you're good at this. Most devastating thing that could happen to us as a fan.
No, you guys have to do it for yourselves. Look within yourself.
You just want to get mad at me, but you need to look deep within and face your irrational fears that you guys have set upon yourselves for this season. And I'll start.
PFT alluded to it. I think the worst case scenario for the Patriots this year is eight wins.
Oh, you motherfucker. That was such a tricky thing you did.
Oh, you played it well. You played that well.
That would be like I'm going into this season. We're trying to – we've got to rebuild.
If you're going to rebuild, you guys know. No, you can recalibrate.
It starts with the draft. I'm recalibribrating.
Eight wins wouldn't get us to the playoffs and wouldn't get us a good draft position. It would just be a little bit too much of a tease.
Actually, that's not a bad point, except you are rebuilding and you've got a young quarterback. But going eight and nine when you have an established quarterback, that's the worst thing that can happen.
What about nine wins? It's still not playoffs. What about ten wins? If we make it to the playoffs, we make it to the playoffs, and then anything can happen.
Right. You get in the dance.
Right. So eight wins.
That's a good pick. That's a good pick, PFT.
I'm going to say the stadium falling apart and critically injuring Jaden Daniels. That would be devastating.
Or having shit come out of the showers and him getting msra mrsa whatever it is both both realistic things that could happen at fedex field oh excuse me uh northwest federal credit union field northwest they're calling it the fed which i think is a kind of a shitty nickname but whatever yeah um all the worst thing could happen for me. I don't think it's as easy as being like, oh, Caleb Williams is not the guy.
I think it would be back on the roller coaster, very up and down, and then week 18, chance to make the playoffs against the Packers, he does his nails and then like epically lose

and Jordan Love goes and wins the Super Bowl.

Yeah, that would be it.

That would be pretty bad.

That would be pretty bad.

That would be, yeah.

But like not like, oh, he's just bad.

It's like the roller coaster of back and forth

where it's like there's just more bad than good.

Justin Fields. If the defense keeps you in games and like Williams isn't really showing a ton.
Yeah. And then that week 18 scenario would be a nightmare.
Like the Packers, maybe it's week 18. The Lions have already clinched the NFC North, so it's week 18 for the last wildcard spot.
And then the Packers get it and go on a run and win the Super bowl or what if with our wild card spot with the steelers go on a run with justin field i'm rooting well i want justin fields to play because then our draft pick gets better yeah but if this if justin fields won a super bowl with the steelers how would you feel about that i'd be happy for justin i don't i don't think that's i'd be very happy for justin i'd be very happy for justin i'd be extremely happy for I don't think that might actually make you log off. I'd be very happy for Justin.
I'd be very happy for Justin. I'd be extremely happy for Justin.
I don't think... That might actually make you log off.
I'd be happy for Justin. I think you...
I love... There's two things about me.
Two things about me. I love Justin Fields.
I love Ben the dog. Two things about me.
You can put those two in the bag. I think you would log off.
I think you would actually... No, no, no, no.
You wouldn't even do the fake hack thing. You would seek out a scheme and get hacked on purpose.
The first one is worse than the second one. Justin Fields winning a Super Bowl would hurt way less than Jordan Love taking the Bears playoff spot and then winning a Super Bowl.
That would be way more painful. Way, way more painful.
Justin Fields would hurt, but I would just be like... I'd be the meme with the smiley face crying behind it being like i love justin fields he's i he's a great dude i'm so

happy for him that's what i would say over and over until i had a nervous breakdown max

we don't actually believe that these things no it's the worst thing that could happen for you

i think it's simply if jalen hurts can't't have another bad year. Yeah.
He has to have a good year. Yeah.
You think, would it be worse if he had like an average year? Would he have a good year and lose in the Super Bowl or have a bad year? That's what I'm saying. Or he gets to the Super Bowl and you lose again.
Right now I'm going to say lose in the Super Bowl because then it's like, all right, now he got to the Super Bowl twice. He's a Super Bowl.
Then he becomes can't win the big one. But can't win the big one's not a terrible spot to be.
It's pretty bad. Ask Dan Marino that.
Ask Peyton Manning that. Yeah, but then he won the big one.
Correct. But what if he stays and can't win the big one? We're saying this never win the big one? Do you think he enjoyed the phase of his career where he couldn't win the big one? But that's not worse than him playing badly and then you're like, oh, shit, this was our guy.
Because he's going to play well enough that you're not going to be in a rebuilding situation. He needs to be good enough to win win a super bowl okay this is i mean this is a big year for this podcast in football yeah outside of hank i think you this is a huge for the eagles it's it's like a make or break year like if they yeah no it's yeah it is a make or break year like at least your two teams it's like you have.
I mean, Hank's team fucking sucks. But your two teams, at least it's like, okay, we're moving in the right direction.
The Eagles could just take it. I don't think this is going to happen, but we're talking worst-case scenario.
It could be bad of going in the wrong direction. This could be a bad year in philadelphia if i don't

think it's gonna happen but it's but it's possible yeah and i and it and it scares me hank you're

you're going nowhere that's fine going to the top of the draft just won an nba championship

six superbowls we're chilling

the funny thing is that no matter how bad things get i think memes has the most rock bottom worst case scenario by far i mean he'd become a terrorist yeah memes outside of having to kill yourself with a suicide vest what's the worst thing that could happen this year just him getting hurt at all because i think even if he sucks it's better than watching tim boyle that season last year was the worst season of all time tyron do you know what the craziest thing about like in in the eve of the nfl season the craziest thing that can be said right now for this podcast because you know what me and pft think about our guys you know max is very excited he thinks what happened at the end of last year is not going to happen again. I don't know that Max is excited, though.
I think he's excited. I think he's nervous.
He might be nervous a little bit. I think he's got nerves going into this season.
But the craziest thing, I think Memes is by far and away the most confident person in his team, and his team is the New York Jets. Yeah.
Is that fair to say? Yeah.

I mean, the roster's loaded. Yeah.
Memes is like, this is going to be an incredible team. Yeah.
I mean, it doesn't. He might be right.
It doesn't sound good, though, saying the worst possible scenario is that if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt at all because he's 40 years old, basically 41. Almost 42.
Just banking on him not ever getting hurt seems like you're setting yourself up for devastation. No, he's just not going to get hurt.
Memes is the wildest fan. Memes always thinks best case scenario at all times.
He tells me every single day that the Mets are going to win the NL East. They could still come back.
To win the NL East? Yes. They play the Phillies seven times.
They're down seven and a half. How many games are they down? Seven and a half? Yeah.
Okay, so they're just going to win all of them. Yep.
Okay. All right, anything else before we do Hot Seat Cool Throne? Do you want to go Super Bowl winners? Want to do MVPs? I have Matt Stafford.
It's off the board. I mean, it's not off the board, but it's a little bit of a dark horse.

I got Jared Goff.

I like that.

So do I.

I got Jared Goff.

So here's a fun stat about Jared Goff.

14 out of his 17 games are in a dome.

Mm-hmm.

He's a lot of dome.

He loves dome.

He loves dome.

It's going to be dome fast.

Yeah.

I like that pick.

I like that pick.

And what are his odds? I think they're like 25 to 1 something like that 30 to 1 yeah he only has like three bad weather game or maybe it's two bad weather games is one of the third i can't he's got the two nfc north games right and they're later in the season i can't remember what the other outdoor game was uh but yeah and if they you know if they if they the number one seed, you just play the whole season at Dome, which would be awesome for our friend Jared. Oh, yeah, the other.
So the third outdoor game is against the 49ers. So that won't be that.
It's not bad at all. Yeah.
Yeah. He plays the Bears in December, late December, and he plays the Packers in early December.
I got something fun to be on. I'm sorry.
Actually, the Packers are in early November, so that might not even be bad weather either. So I was thinking about comeback player of the year, right? Because it feels like if you'd asked me like three weeks ago, it felt like Aaron Rodgers.
It seems like he would be the shoe-in for comeback player of the year. Now've got a couple wild cards uh ricky pearsall from the 49ers yep got shot during an attempted robbery in san francisco got the gun from the guy shot the guy that was trying to rob him he got shot through the chest got shot through the chest and then shot the robber and he goes to the hospital he's hours later.
The next day, he's at the facility working out. Shot through the chest.
I don't even understand that. It doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, that seems like a comeback player. It seems like he's a dog.
Yeah. Seems like he's a dog.
And then I was reminded that Tank Dell also got shot this offseason. And he's fine.
So now you've got two guys who got shot battling for comeback player of the year, potentially a wide receiver. But Pearsall got shot through the chest.
And he shot the guy that shot him. What about a couple other, like, what about Kirk Cousins? Kirk Cousins, not bad.
What about Joe Burrow? Joe Burrow. There's a lot of guys.
We have a stacked field. Yeah, we had a lot of injuries last year.

Anthony Richardson?

If Anthony Richardson gets hurt this season, and I don't want him to,

and Flacco gets in and goes on a run,

could Flacco win back-to-back comeback players of the year?

He could.

I think he could.

Tamar Hamlin could?

Yeah.

Still?

Coming back from the punt?

Yeah, I mean, we lost so many quarterbacks last year that this is a stack, stack field. Yeah, I mean, Justin Herbert? Could he? Why not? Yeah.
Comeback player of the year. I'm looking right now.
Sam Darnold's listening. Oh, Nick Chubb? Nick Chubb.
Nick Chubb. He probably won't be back until like midway through the season.
I heard different reports. What did you have heard? I an insider.
Careful, hippo. This might be because I drafted him in the fantasy league that he's the commissioner of, but I heard that Nick Chubb, he could have played as early as week one with a few touches.
Okay. But they thought it would be safer just to put him on the pup.
So your inside information is that he feels good. Could play right now.
Could play right now. Could play right now.
Report it. A couple touches.
Could play right now. Right now.
Like right this second if we're like, hey, Nick Chubb, carry this football. Done.
Yeah. So I'm still going to go with the gunshot guys.
Yeah. I feel like Ricky Pierce.
That's just a crazy story. Crazy.
And he's a rookie, so he just has to have an average rookie season

to be comeback player of the year.

So, yeah, can you come back?

Can you get comeback player of the year as a rookie?

I don't know.

I think you can if you're coming back from being shot in the chest.

Yeah, I think so.

I don't think so.

I think so.

He got shot through the chest.

Through the chest.

All right, what's your Super Bowl picks? I have Chiefs over Lions. I got Lions over Chiefs.
Oh, I like that. I'd much prefer that.
Eagles over Chiefs. Oh, a little revenge.
It'll be the same story arc as Eagles Patriots. Same story arc.
Eagles Patriots. Tickets, two tickets.
No, that story arc Oh no, no, no, no No, no, no, no If the Eagles are in the Super Bowl, we're doing the same deal You're going to get drunk the night before You're going to drink champagne, you're going to wear the pants We're going to make fun of you, we're going to throw your phone in the water We're going to puke on yourself in a cab We're literally just going to play. People love the first version.
I think the city of Philadelphia would legitimately murder me. I think they would assassinate me.
We made him put on the pants. I mean, but what a story that would be.
It's like Max has the opportunity to either win a Super Bowl or probably get killed. Yeah.
That's a high stakes story. Hank, you're a Super Bowl? I kind of had what PFT had, so I don't want to copy it.
I'll think of best case content for this show. Bills? Losing to the Packers.
Oh, you've. Why? Why is that best case? He knows.
Because he's just. Listen, there's a theme.
Hank's had it out for me this week. I think what it

is, is as soon as

Hank is blaming

the end of summer on me.

I think that's what it is.

No, that's just a fact. That's the best case.

We had Tyler Van Dyke yesterday.

Matt Eberfluss.

The Wisconsin thing was coincidence. I just happened to be watching that game.

I am now

being held accountable for the calendar changing. I think that's what's happening.
I don't think the Bears, like the best case obviously would be the Bears or the commanders making the Super Bowl. I don't think they're there yet.
Okay. A couple years away.
What about Matt Eberfuss? Dan Quinn and Matt Eberfuss. Yeah, we kept them around for a reason.
Right, but I don't think a rookie QB would be. That'd be impressive, but I don't think it's going to happen this year.
So for the content's sake of the show, I guess Eagles losing. Who would be good for the Eagles to lose to? Eagles losing to the Bills would be great.
What about Eagles losing to the Jets? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, he's right. Memes, that would be great.
I i mean we would all have to go to the super bowl with them yeah and just sit there and just watch them that would get awkward what do you mean i i don't i like it would get uncomfortable in the booth yeah yeah yeah yeah it would be great holy shit we would just flip we'd flip all the cameras for

like a couple weeks afterwards where the show is like we're just sitting here we're the booth and you guys are the show oh my god oh my god that's that what a pick okay memes what's your pick jets eets, Eagles. Okay, great pick.

That's such a good pick.

You guys are uncomfortable right now thinking about it.

Yeah, I'm a little bit uncomfortable, too,

because you know what Max would do to memes.

What?

It'd be bad.

No, I think memes would make me angrier.

Yeah, and then you'd do something bad. We'd probably yeah it would get it would get bad it would get physical you max you know it would be awkward i'm gonna say right now i i don't have the power to do this but i'll talk to dave uh i think that if the jets and eagles play in the super bowl i think physicality is allowed like we'll just we'll just rip up the contracts in like a one week.

Like, if one of you punches the other person,

no repercussions.

Physicality's allowed.

Or they have to watch the Super Bowl with giant inflatable boxing gloves.

Yeah.

At all times.

Or, no, like, they grease up the light poles in Philly.

We'll just grease memes up.

So you can't really get a good head.

Yeah.

I mean, it would be a good story for the show

where it's just like, yeah, remember when the Eagles and Jets played in the Super Bowl and Memes and Max got in a fist fight? That would be no good. I want to see you guys fight so bad.
That would be no good. All right.
Do we want to do least improved player? Yeah, least improved player. Dak.
I like that.

I just don't think it's not going to be any different.

He's going to be fine.

Make a graphic for our whole show.

Least improved player.

Part of my take, Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott.

Yes.

Perfect.

We have five votes.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying he's going to have a bad season.

No, he's just not going to improve.

At all.

Yeah.

Unanimous on the graph.

Unanimous decision. He's the first ever unanimous vote.
Yeah. Hank, do you agree? I was thinking Jalen Hurts, but I'm fine with unanimous.
Okay. Oh, Jalen Hurts.
Oh, damn. He just ruined it.
Unanimous. He had my second place vote.
Yeah. Alright, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throw and then we'll get to our interviews.
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And USC posted a video before their game where they were in a Trojan horse, but USC was inside the Trojan horse. Okay.
But the Trojan horse story is how the Greeks used the Trojan horse to defeat the Trojans yeah i got you but they're taking it back so usc did a video where the trojans were in a trojan horse going to defeat the greeks greeks or notre dame or whoever yeah but that didn't lsu lsu didn't make any sense college football expert yeah uh that's i mean that's, but it's like they learned from their mistake, so now they developed it as their own weapon. Yeah.
But why would the Trojans deliver who wants a Trojan gift if you're not a Trojan? True. Yeah, if you brought the Greeks a bunch of, like, a Trojan horse, they'd be like, we've got, like, seven Trojan horses back there.
We use one in each there we use one in each war yeah we know this trick yeah yeah that that's the dumbest prank to ever succeed isn't it yeah yeah i'll take this giant horse for some reason that you're dropping oh yeah i want this horse in my house i'll put it right in the middle of our town makes no sense and then we're all gonna get drunk and celebrate and pass out around the horse like burning man yeah they the trojans deserve to to lose that one yeah they got they got the wool pulled over their eyes. I thought for a long time that the Statue of Liberty was a Trojan horse from France.
And I think that they just didn't find the exit, so there's like thousands of dead French skeletons inside it. I like that idea.
Yeah, I think that might be true. You might be on with something.
I think so. Are you a cool throne? My cool throne is US Open.
Oh. We do talk a lot about how bad some sports are set up.
I like the way the US Open is set up where they do it at the end of last week going into Labor Day. It's on during Labor Day, but it's not the big matches.
So it's like you can watch as you're going. And then it ramps up like it's on today.
It's on tomorrow. It's on Thursday.
And the big matches are this weekend. Yeah.
By the way, we were. But it's good, the little wean off of football weekend.
It's like there's tennis on all day. They do play during college football Saturday, which I know you don't care about.
But that is the final for the women's. So, like, you're trying to watch Kent State, Pittsburgh, and they're just, eh.

That's crazy.

Also, correction from Tuesday's show,

the FedEx Cup championship actually was a week late this year

because of the Olympics.

So it is usually a week before.

Smart, smart.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

Our bad.

Yeah.

Our bad.

Emma Navarro is in the semifinals.

The American.

You remember her?

She took the selfie with LeBron at the Olympics, smiling through it all,

can't believe this is my life with LeBron.

I think she's one of the two billionaires that we've got.

It's her and then the daughter or the granddaughter of the Bill's owner.

We've got just the richest people that play tennis for us.

In your face, world.

Yeah.

Okay. Good job, Hank.
Thanks uh my hot seat is mr pair mr pair is on the hot seat we're starting nfl season he's gonna be making picks he's gonna be making picks making picks memes we got mr pair ready to go yes he's ready to go still alive okay still alive and still healthy as our wildlife expert forrest galant informed us of however we were gonna not say it i think we gotta say it no we were gonna wait until he stunk and then say it so that we have an out but we know but we were gonna on the video it's forrest galant but as we were we were is there a video that was that was after yeah we were gonna we're off camera we're gonna wait and if he sucks we were gonna then be like oh whoops it's a girl yeah so mr pair is a girl yeah we should we should wait we need it we need it okay we need it we won't say we won't say that right now just say mr pair because and just say we're gonna do yeah just say just do it again and just say we're just gonna do pics with mr pair because we were thinking about it and like if he's like 0-5, then we were like, oh, actually, it's a girl. That's our fault.
He was not comfortable in his own skin. Now he's going to win.
Okay, but on the video that we have Forrest Gallant saying. What do you mean? There's a video of Forrest Gallant saying.
Out? No, I don't think so. It hasn't gone out yet, right? I don't.
Not yet. It's a cell phone video.
So we just don't put it out? Yeah, we We just wait We gotta We gotta Because he might suck And then we gotta We gotta save it for him Okay Yeah Just do Mr. Pear And say we're gonna have picks He's gonna pick Thursday night Okay Hot seat is Mr.
Pear Mr. Pear the turtle On the hot seat This is really the first test For Mr.
Pear Big time He kind of wet his beak a little bit or whatever turtles have during NBA season, NHL season.

But this is when it counts.

This is when legends are made.

This is when Larry the Goldfish

became a legend.

And Mr. Pear is...

I mean, he's going to be

front and center

every Thursday night.

Right, memes?

Front and center.

I have to buy a new wood box.

That'll be my project tomorrow.

Okay.

And we'll make the picks in there.

Okay.

What...

Mr. Pear has to hit what for us to be like a success i'd say 60 60 60 high uh yeah okay yeah that's that's for him to be like a legend you're right you're right 56 you get your money back yeah 54 56 depending on what the no 52 and a half 52 and a But, yeah, he's got it.
You're right because he's up against Larry. And Larry was what, like 60? I think he was 60.
Hank has a tattoo. Do you have the pics? Oh, it's gone.
That's right. Would you get a Mr.
Pear tattoo if he went 65%? I would. Yeah, I would too.
If you go 65%?

I'd match.

Me too.

I'd match.

I think it was 59-34-2 or 58-34-2.

You had it on your leg.

I know.

It's one of those 59-58.

I think it was 59.

But yeah, Mr. Perry's got his work cut out for him.

So he's getting a new box.

What's this setup going to look like, Memes?

So I think his home now except everything's going to be removed i'll put some hay in it and then it's gonna be like a dude's apartment where you're like every guy wants this and it's just a chair and nfl red zone yeah random dude and then we'll pull, and then he goes. Have you guys never had a random dude stay over in your apartment?

I've always known who the dude was.

I've woken up several times to a random dude in my apartment.

I also...

I'm following.

Memes just keeps buying TVs, and he doesn't have any TV stands,

and he doesn't hang them up.

Oh, come on.

What?

Yes.

Every week, he tells me he buys another TV,

and then I'm like, where do you put them?

Where are you putting them?

He's like, they're on the floor.

They're on the floor.

I need to see a picture.

He won't show me a picture of the living room.

I'll send the picture.

Memes, how many TVs you got, Memes?

There's four in my living room.

And then none of them are on stands?

There's one on a stand.

It's a nice setup.

And what are the other three?

They're all the same size.

Okay, that is nice.

Okay, but where are the other three?

On the floor.

Memes, are they all the same brand? All the same brand. Okay, that's.
Okay, that's good. I'll send a picture.
Yeah, we need a picture. I sent one to my dad.
So yeah, Mr. Pairs on the hot seat for sure.
How do you manage that? Do you have direct TV or how do you get multiple games on at once? I have YouTube TV. Yeah, are you addicted to TVs? I think so.
I just want to watch every game. But you know you can watch it with YouTube TV.
You can watch four games on one. Yeah, but it just doesn't look the same.
Okay. It's true.
I mean, you have a thousand TVs. I have so many TVs.
I'm not. Listen, but they're all in their correct place.
I don't have them on the ground. You're right.
I shouldn't judge. I was watching nine games on Saturday.
It was awesome. I kind of love that, though.
I love the freedom of having an apartment where you just put your TVs on. Yeah.
I just sent it. Oh, my God, memes.
This is ridiculous. What does your girlfriend think? I don't have one.
Oh, no way. This isn't bad.
There's stands. There there's little stands that's the most single guy apartment ever oh i am jealous memes that's all that you're living the life you're sitting there you're gonna put it in the in the video i feel you're sitting like on a lawn chair too i'm sitting on my beanbag chair yeah and i love i love the presentation, too, because it feels like you're recreating like a cinema.

Pug, make sure you put this in the video so people can watch it when they're watching the episode.

It's perfectly symmetrical.

All right, so Mr. Bears of the hot seat and memes has an addiction to TVs.

I want you to get memes.

I might fund your TV addiction if you promise to never hang any of them. They all to be on i want to see i want to see like nine tvs on the floor nine nine yeah you can get a couple little ones and put them in like in between the cracks you know yeah it'd be like so chal's basement where he has all his former recruits just like leaning up against the wall yeah yeah do you you literally like if you're if you're like oh man i'm capped out on tvs boom gonna order another one is it like that spur of the moment yeah it's like a new toy that's so awesome you play video games on one oh yeah the memes living his best life do you have any furniture in your house i i have a couch but you're on the beanbag chair on the beanbag chair because it's better eye level for the tvs on the floor yeah do you have any furniture in your house? I have a couch.
But you're on the beanbag chair. On the beanbag chair.

Because it's better eye level for the TVs on the floor.

Yeah.

Do you have a table?

I have a...

One table.

That sounds like a no.

No, no, no.

I was trying to think of the term.

An island, right?

Okay.

But that's it.

So you don't have a coffee table?

What's on the island?

Is it like Counter Height?

Yeah, Counter Height.

Counter Height Island?

I have two little chairs.

I actually have a pretty nice apartment.

Yeah, you got a bunch of TVs.

Bunch of TVs.

But you don't have a coffee table.

Don't have.

I have two end tables.

Okay.

This is awesome.

Memes, I would love to go over to your apartment and just house beers on Saturday.

Yeah, just hang out.

And hang out. It sounds like a cool hang apartment.
Yeah. Okay, what's your cool throne, BFT? My cool throne.
That's a good question. Memes.
What is my cool throne? Yeah, I mean, Memes' apartment rocks. My cool throne is Max Homa.
Max Homa has been named to the President's Cup team. Let's go.
It's a captain's pick. Let's go.
When is the President's Cup, Hank? Everyank every two years yeah it's off years of the rider cup right so i think this summer this summer coming up so we don't know who the president's going to be but good for max homa he loves both kamala and donald trump yes so he's going to be excited to represent whoever the president or rfk jr he's a big rfk jr yes yes he's excited to represent the office of the presidency. He did play well in the Ryder Cup, right? Yeah.
Max is a country first kind of guy. Yeah, he did.
He and Brooks were the only two shining hopes that last day. I kind of like our odds this year.
Yeah. All right.
My hot seat is Billy Napier. We talked about him, Florida head coach.
He's already fired per PFT. But Billy Napier is on the hot seat because you know it's going bad for a head coach when he is taking shots at the people on social media in the basements.
So he said if we can focus on those things, talking about good football and not what some guy in his basement in rural central Florida is saying on social media, then we've got a chance to get better. Right.
Also, our colleague, Nikki Smokes, who is from Florida, pointed out they don't have basements in Florida. That's what I was looking up right now.
And especially not in central Florida because it's a swamp. Correct.
The water table is too high. Correct.
You can't dig down into the basement. If anything, you're staying in an apartment with your mom.
Right. Right.
A guy who moved back in with his mom. You're in a condominium.
Yeah. Yes.
Yeah. But either way, the minute a football coach brings out the basement, social media basement, it's over.
Yeah. Not a good start uh it's also early flight tracking season for college

football yes because there's been flights people are now monitoring flights from gainesville to oxford mississippi right now oh and they're speculating flight tracking season's the best you guys know i love flight tracking season um but they're all over it so now they're thinking maybe lane kiffin but it also just could be any jet that goes from gainesville to oxford yes yes um all right right. Then my cool throne is Jay Cutler because Kristen Cavallari said that her boyfriend, Mark Estes, Montana boy, who's 13 years younger than her, she's having the best sex she's ever had.
That's a bit predatory, isn't it? It is. But it's also if you have to publicly say you're having the best sex you ever had, you're lying.
You're either doing that because you're lying or you're doing it just because you know that jay cutler will see it and get angry so j1 because that's you don't you don't just come out and be like oh i'm having the best sex ever that's you're lying and and j1 i'm having the best sex ever yeah lying lying lying lie i'm having off i'm having the worst sex in my life right now. Yeah, that's true.
Fuck. So you just don't talk about your sex.
Exactly. If you don't talk about your sex, people just assume you're having the best sex ever.
The minute you say you have the best sex ever, everyone's like, dude, that's a lie. I'm having no sex.
What does that mean? You're telling the truth. Fuck.
But yeah, J1. J1.
Okay, should we get to our interviews? Pete Prisco. Always fun to have Pete Prisco on.
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What time is it? Game time. Okay, here he is, Pete Prisco.
Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests. He's the spiciest meatball in the world.
It is senior NFL columnist for CBSSports.com. Is that by age? By age.
He's literally, they can't believe that he's still working. An analyst for CBS Sports HQ.
It is Pete Prisco. Watches the film.
Watches the tape. Tape Watcher was on the Russell Wilson Stinks far before anyone else.
He was on the Russell Wilson Stinks even when he was really good. Yeah, when he was winning Super Bowls.
He's like, this guy's going to stink at some point when he's like 36. Pete Prisco.
Pete, we're on the eve of the nfl season there's no better there's no better time right before the nfl season starts uh let's start here what's the spiciest take you got right now that everyone's coming after you for that you think you're going to be right and uh everyone else is wrong the packers are going to win the Super Bowl. Oh, you motherfucker.

I knew you would love that.

God damn it.

Why?

The schedule?

Is this a schedule thing?

Because we remember last year with the Jaguars.

We looked at the schedule.

You had them at what?

12 wins last year?

13, I think.

13 wins.

Yeah, well, they went in in November as the number one seed. You forget about that on a Sunday night, and the quarterback got hurt.
Let's not forget about that. Oh, okay.
Right? Yeah, no, you're right. You're right on that.
They were never going to get to the Super Bowl. But the Packers are your Super Bowl champions.
Why? Besides Jordan Love being what seems like an up-and-coming superstar with how he finished last year, why is it so different? Well, because, A, I think you get those receivers all together now. They didn't play barely at all together last year.
Watson's on the field. He's a big play receiver.
You're going to open things up with that guy. Then you look at the running game.
I think they're more physical in the running game than they did. The offensive line will be bigger and stronger.
But more than, you know, we know it's love. But more than on the other side of the ball, they weren't very good.
But now they bring in a defensive coordinator in Jeff Halfley who can get after it. They're going to be aggressive.
They're going to play more press man. They're going to attack the quarterback.
I love what they've done on defense, and I love what they're doing on offense. They're the best team in that division.

I know you don't want to hear it, but they are.

Are you – now, counterpoint to what you said,

obviously their win Thanksgiving Day was impressive against the Lions,

and they beat the Chiefs, who were reeling at that moment.

Are you worried, though, that there was maybe a little smoke and mirrors

with how they finished the season, needing three wins to get in the playoffs, and they beat the Panthers, barely, the Vikings on their third quarterback, and my Bears, who sucked, who I deluded myself thinking they could win that game, to get into the playoffs. Yeah, but you can flip it forward and say they went down to Dallas and beat the Cowboys, and then went to the 49ers and should have won that game.
They should have won that game. I'm looking at being like that last that the end of their season last year was a complete fluke and they suck.
So I understand that's stupid. Yeah you're hoping you're wishing.
But Pete isn't it fair to say like we don't have enough body of evidence not enough body of work with Jordan Love? Well you can say that about cj stroud too does anybody say that about him i think yeah they do i mean they say he's really really good but they say it's it's his rookie year he just did it once they're not giving him a massive contract obviously yeah but from that if they could they would though from that from that standpoint you make a good point both of them probably have to do it all over again but haven't you seen enough to give you an idea that you're a believer in both of okay i'll give you i'll give you this for you jane daniels goes out and throws 28 touchdown passes and seven interceptions and washington wins nine games are you going to say that he can't do it again no absolutely not okay no absolutely but that's because i already know he's that good going into it. In my mind, because he won the Heisman last year.
What did Jordan Love do last year? He went deep into the playoffs. No, I mean the year before that.
The year before he played. He's watched a lot of football from the bench.
I guess. So have I.
He's already two years old. He's been there forever.
Okay. Good one to start with.

That was a good way to get it spicy off the rip.

I saw another somewhat spicy take that you had.

You did your list of the 100 best players.

You had Patrick Mahomes number one overall.

The NFL players disagree with you.

Would they have him?

I think two or three.

Two or three.

Yeah.

That's mystifying to me.

That's a hot take by Pete putting him at number one. He might be – by the way, if he wins the Super Bowl this year and three Peets, he's in the conversation as the greatest football player of all time already.
Good point. Good point.
Hank doesn't have his headphones on right now. Yeah.
Patrick Williams would be the greatest – Pete, you know how I know the Chiefs are going to probably be back in the Super Bowl is that the conversation now when you're trying to pick them apart is like they'll just get tired of winning and it's hard to win. They might be better this year.
They probably are better this year than they were last year because last year they weren't, through the body of work of the regular season, weren't a great team. They obviously got great in the playoffs.
They seem like they might be a better team this year. Would you agree? Yes, absolutely.
Last year was the year to get them, and nobody got them. I mean, it's easy to go into every season and say, okay, I'll take the Chiefs against the field because they're that good.
The coach is that good. Think about this.
Andy Reid coaches until he's 70. He has a chance to get the wins record.
We all thought it was going to be Belichick, but Andy Reid actually has a chance to get that. Coach, quarterback.
Of course they're better than they were a year ago. They have speed now on offense.
They can stretch the field. It's a better team.
But winning three in a row, it's never happened for a reason. It's never happened for a reason.
Right. You just did it right there.
You did the, like, this is what we're going to pick apart on the Chiefs. So if the Chiefs weren't to go to the Super Bowl from the AFC, what are your other AFC teams that you're like, this is the year they're going to take that step forward and maybe knock off the Chiefs? You'll be happy because I got Buffalo going to the Super Bowl.
Okay. I love that.
Nice, Pete. Oh, my God.
Buffalo versus the Packers. I might have to get a Bills tattoo before that game.
Pete, that would make my day, make my year if the Bills went to the Super Bowl. That would be so awesome.
You guys will know this. The whole idea of the window shutting on the Bills is the stupid, dumb talk that people throw out there when they don't pay attention to what's going on.
As long as Josh Allen is slinging the football in Buffalo, they will have an open window, period, end of story. And everybody says, well, they lost all these guys from a year ago.
They didn't have most of those guys a year ago. Tredavious White wasn't around.
Matt Milano's hurt again. He wasn't there last year.
The two safeties were banged up all year. Daquan Jones went down early in the season, the best run stuffer.
Von Miller was admittedly a shell of himself. And then they talk about Diggs.
Look what Diggs did in the last 10 games of the season. Nothing.
Nothing. And it's addition by subtraction.
So the way I look at it, Buffalo is going to be a better team than they were a year ago, and they have a legitimate chance to go to the Super Bowl. Imagine all those Bills fans down in New Orleans.
They're going to drink so many beers. Oh man.
It's going to be amazing. It would be wild.
Buffalo and Green Bay and the Super Bowl in New Orleans, it would just be and it wouldn't be high-end drinking. It would be a lot of the cheap stuff.
That would be fun. I think that would be the fattest Super Bowl.
Let's see. I think it would.
Wisconsin, definitely. Yeah.
Buffalo, you got some heft. You got to have the winter weight.
There's more power in Buffalo than fat, but it's power. They're powerful people.
You have to insulate yourself from the elements in Buffalo. Beef on whack.
You know, that's the thing. I love beef on whack.
They just eat food that keeps you warm. That's the trick of living in Buffalo.
Yes. Wings, all that stuff.
Okay. So, yeah.
So so other AFC teams that I want you to pick apart or tell me what your main bugaboo is, the Bengals. We're big believers in Joe Burrow.
I think the league has kind of forgotten about Joe Burrow because he hasn't been playing. What do you think about the Bengals this season, and do they have a team that could potentially get to the Super Bowl? Absolutely.
As long as Joe Burrow's on the field, they're a contender. They're like the Bills.
As long as that quarterback is on the field, they're a contender. They've gotten bigger and stronger on the offensive line.
Now Mims is banged up, but when he's back, they're a big physical offensive line and they're going to score a lot of points. Defensively, they need some guys to step up, but they have a lot of talent on that side, particularly young guys, the young secondary players.
I think they're going to be better than they've been on defense, but it all comes down to Burrow being on the field. Availability is the best ability, and he hasn't exactly been there game in and game out, but I'm with you.
When he's on the field, he's fantastic. Okay, what about the Ravens? I know that you don't like Lamar that much because he's one of those running quarterbacks

that you look down your nose on.

But they should have done better in the play.

If they had run the ball in the second half against the Chiefs,

we might be telling a different story right now.

They got Derrick Henry.

Lamar is, what, like 12, 15 pounds lighter than he was last year.

Which, by the way, I'm not so sure that's a good thing,

that Lamar Jackson is, like, 15 pounds lighter.

The knock on Lamar Jackson was never, you know, this guy would be great if he wasn't so fat right it was never that it was i don't understand why why he wants to get leaner you you should be want that on your you know because he needs to be stronger he's going to take some shots you know by the way i like lamar jackson you're putting you're putting i don't like quarterbacks who immediately just run and he's gotten much better at not doing that. Look at Josh Allen runs.
I like Josh Allen. He runs a lot too.
But their problem to me right now is their offensive line. They're actually talking about rotating guys like they did last year, series and series at right tackle and maybe left guard.
I don't like that. I think you need to find five and settle on them, and they have issues on the offensive line, and if they have problems on the offensive line, it's going to be hard to rush the football with Henry or whoever's running the ball.
Okay. The Texans.
The Texans, would you say it's subtraction by adding Stefan Diggs? We'll see. It is interesting because last year was an aberration year where it's like,

I can't believe we have this quarterback that's this good, this young,

and they've got stud-wide receivers, and now you add a guy like Stephon Diggs.

What would be the whole of the Texans if you were scouting them?

Doing it again as a hunted team. I think that's – you've got to learn – that was the same thing that Jacksonville

ran into last year. You didn't know how to handle success.
And does this team know how to handle success? You think they do, but you never know until you get, you know, teams are gunning for you week in and week out. You're one of the better teams in the league.
You have to learn how to handle that. And I'm not sure they can.
The division's a lot tougher. I'm the big Will Levis guy.
I think the Titans are going to be better. Anthony Richardson on the field.
The Colts probably should have beat them in the last week of the season, and they might not even made the playoffs. And here's the other thing.
As much as we love C.J. Stroud, you would have thought the way we talk about him, he threw 40 touchdown passes.
I think he threw 24, if I'm not mistaken. I mean, it wasn't like it was Dan Marino throwing 48 in his second season.
So we've got to slow the roll a little bit on this team. Diggs, by the way, will be on his best behavior because he's on a one-year deal.
So, yeah, he's going to make sure that he doesn't completely alienate every other team in the league. Correct.
He wants to get another contract. He threw 23 touchdowns, I believe, in the regular season last year.
Yeah. I mean, that's not a good – He did miss two games.
He did miss two games. But that's not a great number.
It's not 40. It's not 37.
It's not – you know what I mean? He's good. I love what I've seen from the kid.
But, again, you've got to show us, just like you said about George Love, show us again. But more than that, this young team has to show us again.
Yeah. What about the New York Jets? There have been a lot of problems that weren't really problems this offseason, but they felt like problems a lot of the time.
Aaron Rodgers missing out on minicamp. The Hassan Redick contract thing that's still going.
I don't know. Is the problem on that just he hasn't shown up to the facility to negotiate the contract? Or they won't give him a new contract, they offered him one that they didn't like it or there's a bunch of things that could be a play there.
He'll show up and play. There's only so many earning years in your body.
Eventually, he's going to show up. I mean, they know that.
He knows it. He won't sit out the season.
Nobody does anymore. It's too much money being left on the table.
Trent Williams will eventually show if he doesn't get a new contract. They all show up.
And they should show up.

Because, again, I say it all the time.

Every year you sit out or every game you

sit out is money you can't get back. You'll never

get it back. Trent's done it before.

Trent's just not shown up for

games before. Yeah, and he was a kid

then. He was eight years ago,

seven years ago. Now he's an old guy, so

he needs to get those. You only have less

earning years in your body. He'll show up.
So what about the rest of the Jets, though? What do you expect out of them? If the offensive line stays healthy, and again, that's a big if. If Roger stays healthy, that's probably a little bit of an if.
They'll be good on offense, and they'll score points, and they're going to be a team to watch out for in that division. They're going to push Buffalo.
I think they're the two best teams in that division, and they're going to push for more than that if they get a second weapon. And, you know, you know Wilson's going to be a heck of a weapon, but who else emerges? Mike Williams coming off a knee injury, never was a birder to begin with.
The tight end position suspect. They need to get more weapons involved.
So if they can find somebody that steps up, then I think they'll push deep into the playoffs, in fact.

Okay, so AFC is – it is crazy looking at the AFC because there's really not – I mean, besides the Patriots and I don't even know, maybe the Raiders, like there's not a lot of teams that you can be like, we can pretty confidently say they're going to be bad. who is the dark horse team because it happens every year where and it could just be the jets

because they didn't make the playoffs last year but the Dark Horse team? Because it happens every year.

And it could just be the Jets because they didn't make the playoffs last year.

But the team that you don't see didn't make the playoffs last year and now they're in the playoffs and they had a year that people didn't fully expect.

Who?

Can't say the Jaguars.

No.

Well, they're going to be in the playoffs, though.

They'll be a wild card team.

Okay.

Well, the Bengals. Yeah, you want me to throw another team out there for you? Our guy, Jim Harbaugh in L.A.
They obviously have a lot of talent deficiencies, but he's going to win a couple games they shouldn't win just because of who he is and how he runs that system. Absolutely.
But I think they're a year away.

I think they're like your Bears team.

I think they're a year away.

Oh, fuck.

Wait.

I didn't know you had that take.

Yeah.

What do you think about the Bears?

Yeah, I think they're going to be a real push for Super Bowl next year,

but I think they're a year away from being a playoff team this year.

So what does that mean? What's their record?

Nine and eight. Eight and nine.

Fuck, if you told me nine and eight. Nine and eight's not bad, though.

Nine and eight's pretty good.

I don't know.

But you also, we can get back to the Bears in a second.

You glossed over talking about the Chargers. Did you not see the uh herbert was stuck in an elevator and harbaugh was extremely impressed with how he handled himself inside that elevator like a leader yeah and i didn't quite get that by the way i mean what the hell does that mean you didn't pee in the corner like everybody else did what's that mean he wasn't sweating i thought he yeah he didn't sweat at all but i also thought maybe that meant he wasn't hydrated if you're not pissing in the corner that means that you're not hydrated enough for football what if you had to go number two while you were stuck in the elevator well lamar lamar would have had to he would have been the worst i was going to ask you who you think the worst quarterbacks to be stuck in an elevator with i think lamar probably number one because of number two and probably russell wilson because he'd high knees.
Oh, he would be annoying in there, yeah. He'd probably be number two.
He might even be number one. If Lamar did his business in a corner, he'd just move away from him.
He couldn't get away from Russell. Kind of an alpha male move, though, to just take your pants off and take a shit.
He'd probably go in his pants and let it sit there for a while yeah what what how many games do you think russell wilson's going to play this year barring injury how many four or five and then they're going to pull the plug you got to pull the plug did he i mean what did they see in the preseason or in their workouts that gave you any indication that he's the guy? Or going back to last year when he held the ball forever and caused so many sacks in Denver. He's done.
He's over. I think what they're just hoping for is that they get an average quarterback.
Because with an average quarterback on that team last year, then you're telling an entirely different story. The offense looks a lot better.
The defense is still going to be awesome this year. They got them to the playoffs.
Yeah, I mean, they're always going to be tough and physical and everything else and want to run the ball. They have offensive line questions.
Two rookies are going to be starting on that offensive line. That's questions.
And then, again, look at the division. Where are they in the division? They're the fourth team, right? Yeah.
I mean, I guess the Browns are kind of a team that hasn't been talked about a lot just because no one knows what Deshaun Watson's going to do and when is Nick Chubb going to be back. The Browns were good last year with Joe Flacco down the stretch, but I have no idea what to expect from Deshaun Watson.
No, nobody does. He's played 12 games for the in two years i mean you can't know and when he's been on the field he's been bad at times and then he started looking good at the end before he got hurt again last year they're the unknown team you're right about them they have talent on defense they got an elite defensive player that can rush the passer and wreck the game if w Watson's good and the offensive line is healthy,

and again, their three tackles were hurt last year.

Now they have two of them.

They're still banged up.

You've got problems there.

Okay, so back to the Bears, Big Cats Bears.

You don't seem like you're buying in fully.

You said that they're a year away.

They've got guys that can get after the passer on defense.

They've got who appears to be a great quarterback in Caleb Williams. You've got all the weapons in the world for Caleb.
One of the best secondaries in the league. Love the secondary.
I love the corners. I really love the corners.
They might have the best group of corners in the league, by the way. I'd agree.
So why do you hate the Bears? I don't. I just think this is another team that's got to learn how to win and learn how to have success.
You have a rookie quarterback. It's tough on a rookie quarterback.
It's not like they just show it. It doesn't happen all the time.
So it's going to be a process. But when you look at the division, I think the Packers are really good.
I think the Lions are really good. The Vikings, not so much.
But I think if you look, they're the Bears of the third team in the division. And so I think combined with everything, I don't think they're going to make the playoffs.
Now, would I be shocked if they snuck in as a wild card no but i just think it's a year away from when they're really special yeah i mean listen if i if i were i'm obviously very very excited about this bear season i'm very excited about the future because it feels like ryan poles is putting the team together the right way um and i do think the defense has some insane talent, but I also will admit that if we played the end of the season, you know, game that I did with the Packers, they beat up on some not great quarterbacks down the stretch. And, you know, when they played Kyler Murray and when they played Jordan Love, I know we beat the Cardinals, but Kyler Murray kind of, you know, passed all over us.
So there is something to be said for that where it's like you've got to show it again this year. Yeah, and I love that they're doing on defense.
They're building to something special, but again, it's all building, and it's not there yet. You've got a rookie receiver you're counting on for big things.
He's still a rookie receiver. He's going to be good, but he's a rookie receiver.
Keenan Allen, what's he have left? There are questions there. So I think you add it all up, I think they're a year away.
Okay, okay. And then let's do the NFC.
So it feels like there's going to be one team that we expect to be really good in the NFC that's just not. And it's like, you know, whether you want to pick the Eagles, the Cowboys.
I'm trying to think who else. Some people have said the Niners.
Is there one of those teams that you can think of where you're like everyone's expecting them to just kind of do the same thing and be a playoff team, but there's something there that is just not right that's going to hold them back? I think Dallas is going to win the division, but I also had the Eagles sneaking in. So if you had to, I'd say they'd both get in.
The Niners' division isn't very good, I don't think. I think those teams are coming a little bit, but they're not there yet.
So I think the Niners won't be as good as they were a year ago, but I still think they're going to get one or two seed in the NFC. I don't think they're as good as they were a year ago so okay so they might be the team but they'll still be in the postseason as far as a team that made the playoffs last year that's not going to get in that's hard to figure out because if you look at it where do they come from because I think the Lions the Packers will both be there again I think the Cowboys will be there the Eagles I think the Bucs win the South most people are sleeping on the Bucs.
Because they're all in on Kirk Cousins and Atlanta. I'm not.
And then I think the Niners will be in the playoffs. And the Rams.
I think the Rams are going to be good. And the Rams.
So where's a team that's going to come from nowhere to make the playoffs in the NFC? But you know there will be. We can have you back on.
You know that there will be a team. One of those teams you listed will not make the playoffs.
You would probably pick Atlanta maybe, right? To be the team. Yeah, I think Atlanta is going to be very good this year.
I actually, I got a spicy one for you, Pete. Are the Saints as bad as we think they are? Because I think they're perfectly average and in that division like they started playing okay ball down the stretch and Derek Carr kind of figured it out a little bit with the new team could could it possibly be the Saints because that that division will be tight like no no one's a juggernaut there yeah there I know it's not the Saints I think okay you talk about a team has major offensive problems, but more than that, Derek Carr, can you count on him week in and week out? And here's the other thing.
Age is starting to creep in on defense. Alder Marquis, Demario Davis, getting up in the years.
Cam Jordan, up in the years. Honey Badger, up in the years.
And I think you start worrying about that a little bit as well. Okay, So what about Detroit? What's Detroit? What's the, what's the vibe going to be like in Detroit this year? Because they're one of the teams that was the hunter.
Now they're definitely firmly in that hunted category. The way that the season ended last year, that could be like a big thing to get over emotionally.
Do you think that carries over into this year? You still like them? I think they're talented. Their talent will carry them far enough, but getting back to where they were is going to be tough to do.
It's hard to get back there. He even said that after the game.
Remember, Dan Campbell said that. But here's some words of advice for Dan Campbell, and I love the way he coached when he had to coach that way.
You don't need to coach that way anymore. Stop with the fourth down going for it all the time.
You did that when you needed to do that. You don't do that anymore.
Your team is good. You don't need to do that anymore.
I disagree with that. I think you should do it.
I think you should do it the same that he's done in the past. It cost him a chance to go to the Super Bowl.
It cost him a chance to go to the Super Bowl because they had some drops in those plays. And that happens sometimes in football.
Sometimes you don't catch the ball. But I feel like because I think the team plays hard for him because they like the identity that he puts out there.
We're like, we got Dan Campbell, fucking Dan Campbell on our side, and we can do anything because we believe in this guy. Early on, when you didn't have as much talent, that made sense.
Where your talent is now there on the roster, you don't need to play that way anymore you adjust to your team year in and year out you can get away from that if they had come on if they had kicked a field goal late in that game they go to overtime and they might win the game and go to the super bowl yeah i mean you also say that the field goal is going to be guaranteed because that field goal kicker was not great. They changed him, right? Like, that was a – I think they brought back the guy.
But he was good in the playoffs, though. He made the kick – Okay.
Okay, then we go back to Dallas in the regular season. If he had played that the right way, he might have had a home playoff game.
I need to go back and look at all three of those questionable decisions that he made because I thought that two of them were good. I thought one of them was really bad.
I also, BFC and I kind of agree that if your MO is to play on the edge and you have your guys like that, I do think that there's an inherent value of it. Like, hey, we're going to push it all the time.
And you can't change. If he had been scared, Dan Campbell, in the playoffs, people would have shit on him for that.
Not me. I mean, you're different.
Because I just you've got to play the percentages. You've got to play.
You've got to play to go to the next play. And they didn't play to go to the next play.
He played to win it right there. An analogy that Dan would understand would be that like they're they're like Metallica where Ride the Lightning came out.
were like, this fucking rocks, the Black Album came out, and you're like, this team's really, really good. And then if they dropped Load, you're like, this is soft, they've gone weak.
That's what Dan Campbell, he'd be like Load by Metallica if he took his foot off the gas. So you guys want him to continue to play as aggressively as he's done? Yes.
Even though it cost him a chance possibly to go to the Super Bowl? I want Dan Campbell to be Dan Campbell. Yeah.
I don't want him to change at all. You could be Dan Campbell, but you could be situationally smarter than Dan Campbell.
No. No, I don't think you can.
Then that's not Dan Campbell. Yes, it is.
He's learned. He's evolved.
Can't you evolve? Dan Campbell doesn't evolve. Pete, is there a quarterback that you see either taking a step forward this year that we don't see coming or maybe a quarterback that's going to take a step back that people are like, hey, we think he's this, and I disagree.
I do not see the same thing when I watch the film, which you do. Will Levis is going to take a major step forward.
Okay, I like that. You know who Will Levis is a lot like you follow his career arc and all the stuff that people said about him coming out and the way they handled him and everything else? Josh Allen.
Okay. Same type of thing.
Remember, oh, he wasn't very good as a senior and why was was his completion percentage bad, and this and that, and he's different and everything else. And Will Levis is entirely not the person he's portrayed to be by the media when he came into the draft.
He loves it. He lives it.
He's like Josh Allen. He's a fanatic about it.
He goes on vacation in Italy and scouts out fields to go work out why he's there three weeks before camp, hops over the fence, starts working out. The cops come.
He doesn't know how to speak Italian. They were going to arrest him.
And he finally got somebody to talk himself out of it. That's how much of a maniac he is as a guy who loves the game.
And you have to be that way. He's going to have a monster season.
And everybody who mocked that, made fun of him and mocked his game going into the draft is going to be exactly the way they were with Josh Allen. They're going to be wrong.
So your entire analysis of Will Levis, who we like, he's a friend of the program, is that you think he has moxie because he was able to talk his way out of a bunch of angry Italians trying to arrest him. You know how us Italians are.
We. We'll throw anybody in.
That's how you heard that story, and you're like, oh, my God, my paisan. It's incredible.
You know what a criminal you have to be to get arrested by Italians? Yeah, right? I mean, it was funny because he didn't know any Italian, and at some point he said he was an NFL quarterback, and they went, oh, big deal. If that story happens in France, you're not loving Will Levis the same way you're loving Will Levis.
No, it's the fact that he actually scouted out workout facilities to go when you're on a vacation. That's Peyton Manning-esque.
That's weird, but it's crazy. By the way, he is going to be a big-time player, and it's the same trajectory as Josh Allen.
Big arm, tough kid.

I'm telling you, just keep an eye on it.

He's going to be a star.

I do like that story, though, Pete.

It would have been better if he had snuck into the Roman Coliseum

and gotten down there where the Gladiators used to be

and then practiced down there.

Now that would be a hell of a story.

Yes.

That would be a good story.

So is there a quarterback that you think will take a step back this year?

Step-back quarterback. that would be a good story so is there a quarterback that you think will take a step back this year step back quarterback well you got the elite they're never stepping back those guys will never step back just eliminate them there's seven of them wait who are your top seven oh you have seven elite quarterbacks well I think I think Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Rogers.
He still counts. Lamar.
Who am I leaving off there? Stafford. Brock Purdy.
Stop Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy's better than people give him credit for, but he's not elite.
Stafford's not there. Herbert, no.
Lawrence, no. Tua, no.
Maybe that's it. So top six.
Back? No, he's not elite. You didn't say Jalen Hurts.
He's not there either. Is there a chance it could go bad in Philly? I think there's a chance, but they have so much talent.
Look, everybody wants to point to the offensive side of the ball. The defense was awful.
Awful. I mean, guys got lazy.
They wore down at the end of the season. It was just not...
The pass defense was terrible. Everybody goes Jalen Hurts and the coach.
Jalen Hurts and the coach. It wasn't that.
The defense was awful. That was the problem.
By the way, they looked like they were gave up in that playoff game.

That's what they looked like. Big time.

So, Pete, in the preseason, we're getting into week

one here, but I'm going to ask you to put coaches

on the hot seat, pre-hot seat, preheated

on them. Okay.
Which coaches should we be looking

at? Well, Sirianni's on the

hot seat. Already.
Think

about that, though. This is how crazy

it is. He was in the Super Bowl two years ago, went to the playoffs last year last year if he doesn't make the playoffs this year he's probably on the hot seat i mean people are calling him a stiking merchant i mean mccarthy's on the hot seat yeah i mean if he doesn't win if he doesn't get deep into the playoffs or win a playoff game he's probably out right that's two i'd say so i but i thought that last year too and i actually thought that that the year before that.
It's almost like Jerry Jones likes keeping him around because he knows that he can just yell at Mike McCarthy all the time. I mean, we do pretend that Jerry Jones is like, because obviously, you know, his entire fallout with Jimmy Johnson in the 90s.
But like, he did keep Jason Garrett around for way too long. Yeah, that's true.
So he is maybe too loyal. He is loyal.
He is loyal. But I think this is it.
Mike probably knows it. You don't win a playoff game, you'll probably be gone.
Dable, Brian Dable, probably has to show something or he's gone. There aren't many though.
That's the thing because there's been so many new coaches and so many teams turned over that there's not that many. Dennis Allen, you mentioned the Saints.
He could be in trouble. Yeah, I mean, who even remembers he's coaching? Yeah, I mean, yeah.
So, yeah, I think there's not that many. Four or five could be on the hot seat, but Sirianni could be.
Okay, so we know you have the Packers and the Bills as your Super Bowl. I got one last question for you, Pete, and you're the best.
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What is the argument that you find yourself getting into the most online right now where people are saying you're stupid and you're like, hey, I'm Pete Prisco and I watch the tape. By the way, I want my road back Speedo that I can wear to the beach.
I don't think they make denim Speedos. If they did, you would have one.
Believe me, I know you would. That's probably true, yeah.
The biggest take that gets me in trouble, the Miami Dolphins. The two and on comes at me hard, man.
They're rough. They're rough.
And now I say they're not tough enough, and that drives them up a wall. They're pretty.
They're fun to watch. They're good in September.
But when it comes time to play good teams or playoff games or games against big games or big games against good teams, they're 1-6 last year. That's a problem.
You're right about that. I mean, it's just a fact.
They haven't had that signature, signature win against a really tough team. And the way they played in that game against the Chiefs, it was a quit thing.
It felt like they quit. Well, and not just that.
Mike McDaniel is a hell of an offensive coach. Might be the brightest offensive coach or one of them in the league.

But he's very tight with his players, almost like buddy-buddy when you watch their practices and stuff.

And that always worries me a little bit.

I mean, like guys go in and out of the drills.

When the commanders and Dolphins worked out, the commanders were in full gear. and Miami's guys were in shorts and their helmets were off at the beginning of practice.
I mean, it's just a different feel. And maybe, I mean, that's who he is, so be true to who you are.
But I wonder sometimes if that flies when you get to toughness and tough games. He's too nice.
He's one of those nice guys. Yeah.

I mean, at some point that shows up, doesn't it?

I mean, isn't the proof in the pudding so far?

He's got to dispel the notion that the Dolphins aren't tough enough.

Yeah, I'd agree with you.

There definitely is.

It's the buddy-buddy thing.

Like, if they don't win a playoff game this year, I think Mike McDaniels is a hell of a coach, like you said.

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don't win a playoff game, the seat

will start getting a little warm because it's like, hey,

you can break all the records in the regular season.

You can have an awesome offense, but you've got

to win in January. That's what you

get paid to do. And you've got to win

against good teams. I mean, even if you play good,

look at their wins last year. They

weren't against good teams. You have to

beat good teams. One is six against playoff teams, and two is no different.
I mean, two hasn't been good against the playoff teams either. So those two guys linked together have to be better.
And, again, I go back to my toughness, and I think that matters in the NFL. So who do you think is the toughest team? Oh, good question.
Pete Prisco's toughest team. Well, the Ravens are are tough as hell always the ravens are always tough physical nasty and they replace guys with tough physical nasty guys the ravens when you think toughness the ravens are always right there with it and and not because of the style of play either just because of the mentality of the organization they've always been that way going back to you know when they had the best defense in 2000, that group was nasty, and it's carried over.
The Ravens. They've got to get a murderer on the team.
Yeah. Wow.
Touch yourself up. Alleged.
And then the Steelers are always tough, too. Those two teams, I think if you look at true toughness, those two teams are tough.
That's why I think the Chargers are going to maybe be surprising people because Harbaugh will make a tough team. They will.
He'll make a tough team. I saw you guys spawning all over Harbaugh.
You loved it. We love him.
He's a great coach. We love him.
Sorry you don't have access. He's a great coach.
He's a strange man, but he's a great coach. Yeah.
So, Pete, what about my commanders? Tell me something good about my commanders because I've started to believe just watching jade in the preseason he's so good he's so good pete and adam peters said today this would be like reading way too deeply into a quote and actually buying the bullshit that they're selling they're not rebuilding they're recalibrating oh so they so they're in love that for you they're in win now mode yeah is what he said so So we're in win-now mode. We're all in in D.C.

That's why we traded Johan Dotson probably. But tell me something good about him.
What's the ceiling that I can expect? Eight, nine wins. Eight.
That's pretty good. I'll take eight.
I heard nine. I heard nine.
I love Jaden Daniels. He's so good.
I think he's the best quarterback in the draft. Sorry, Big Cat.
I thought he was the best guy. And having watched him at Arizona State and then watched him play at LSU and now watching him now, he's the most improved quarterback I've ever seen in my life.
And I've covered this a long time. At ASU, and I'm a Sun Devil, he won very good.
When he became at LSU, he was outstanding and he's only going to get better. When I watched him work out, and I hadn't seen him play live, when I watched him work out against the Dolphins, he made a throw to the sidelines, and that ball gets on that receiver so fast, and it makes it throws easy, and that's what you want to see.
I think the commanders have their guy for the next 15 years, and he's going to be a star. Don't say that, Pete.
Don't say that. say that i agree with you i love that for you it sounds it sounds so good hearing somebody else besides me say it thank you pete yeah i love him i love him well i think i like i said i had him as the number one quarterback and calen williams is number two well you don't like because he cried that one time no i mean i don't like the crying i admit that i don't know i will never back away from that crying on your mom after a football game should never happen and the pink phone real men should never wear no i don't care about i don't care about any of that stuff i who cares i i just think you shouldn't cry after a game it doesn't it just should i mean i i told kyle long you know kyle long i worked with him you don't cry i never cried after anything when I was growing up.
Nothing Well you're a tough Italian man Yeah that seems like a personal thing, maybe you should cry more When was the last time you cried Pete? Probably over a death or something I'd cry over that Pussy No that's not Did you ever cry over anything you lost? P. No.
If you lost a sporting event, did you ever cry growing up,

even as a pee weekend?

I kind of cried a little.

Like, not cried, but I cried a little bit of double-doink,

like a little teary-eyed.

It was kind of like talking crying.

No, you did.

You cried over a win and a loss of a team you're rooting for?

Yeah.

I cried when the Caps won the Stanley Cup.

I'll admit it.

I was so happy.

No, I don't know. you're rooting for? I cried when the Caps won the Stanley Cup.

I'll admit it. I was so happy.

Did you ever cry over losing anything when you were a kid

playing sports?

No, because I never lost.

That's true.

Pete understands that you just have to be so good

to never lose.

You know why I never cried? As long as I did

my job and I got my points

so I got my hits.

I didn't care if we won or lost.

Selfish guy.

Sounds like a great teammate.

There is an eye in Priceco, believe me.

I'm telling you.

Pete, you're the best.

We appreciate you as always.

Hopefully we see you soon.

Let's have a great season.

Bears will be nine wins and the commanders might be close to them. So you guys will have that.
Oh, how many wins will the Patriots have for Hank? Four. Okay.
He's expecting that. I think more.
I think more. I like Jacoby.
Play Drake May now, please. Get on with it.
Yeah, get on with it. Why do you say that?

Because why are you holding back? The sooner you get on, you find out what you have, the better off you'll be. And everybody says, well, if he ruined his psyche, then, oh, wow, what do you do? Well, you know what? If you ruined his psyche, you drafted the wrong kid.
That's true. Yeah, I agree with you.
All right. Thanks so much, Pete.
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And now here's Forrest Gallant. Okay.
We now welcome on a recurring guest that people might not know of because this was the barstool gold era. Yeah.
An incredible interview our friend forrest gallant who is a uh scientist uh what are the official things behind what you do wildlife biologist wildlife biologist adventurer okay now i'm just singing my own praises over here wildlife biologist adventurer make tv shows that kind of stuff yes so a lot of people are familiar with you but it's very funny because we were talking about having you you're in town we're like yeah let's have him stop by we loved having him on the first time and then it dawned on us that it was during the barstool gold era yeah so uh this should be new to a lot of other people for sure thank you for coming by my pleasure yeah i just thought we were going drinking so here we are yeah we put your ass on pay-per-view last time oh that's right on the paywall that's right i forgot about that that's right that's funny yeah it's gonna be fun to talk to you because i've been following some of your stuff recently um and i i listened to i think it was your most recent podcast where you came up with business ideas and i really i really liked i really liked your business idea which was was it was it the toxic masculinity gym? Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That would do well in Chicago. Where I live in Santa Barbara, I don't think it would fly.

Out here, though, that could be a thing.

Wait, why is Santa Barbara?

Santa Barbara's soft?

It's soft.

Yeah.

I love it.

I'm definitely going to get some hate for saying this.

I love living there.

It's a great town.

It's a soft town.

I don't think you can get hate for that because, like, California, once you go to California,

you just become soft. But that's not in a bad way.
It's just life is just more pleasant. Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, the weather's nice. You don't have to be grumpy all the time.
But, yeah, no, toxic masculinity. Just a gym where, you know, it's nothing but bros and death metal and Hooters girls are working there.
And I forget what else we said. There's, like, a Zen station, I think.
That's it. There's a Zen station.
You know, you mix your pre-workout like there's a there's a shaker there they mix it for you there should be a girl that's working out doing very suggestive stretches and then you then you approach her and you're like hey don't do that in my gym my gym's not here for social media my here's my gym's here to work out that's it but you're filming that entire interaction for your social media because on your end you're'm the hero of the story. Yes, exactly.
100%. I think that's a good idea.
So give a quick explainer for the people who might not be familiar with you. You basically have lived your life outdoors.
Yeah. And you are one with nature in a way that we have never been.
So you grew up in Zimbabwe and California, correct? That's right. Yep.
So yeah, tell us the backstory of like, when did you start falling in love with nature and animals and being like, this could be a real living here where I go look for animals that people think are extinct or do all these videos? Yeah. So I grew up in the Southern African country of Zimbabwe.
My family ran safari businesses. So since I was really little, the only thing I really knew and cared about was wildlife and being outdoors.
And in 2001, Zimbabwe had really bad political turmoil. So my family came to the US as refugees, and I came with them, bounced around, government housing, all kinds of things, trying to get our feet under us.
And the only thing that was a common thread throughout my life, the only thing I really cared about was being outside and being kind of feral. And, you know, my sister grew up the same way and she works in fashion.
So I think it's just like the way I'm hardwired. And, yeah, so went to school, became a biologist academically, graduated, thought I was going to change the world, wasn't changing the world as a biologist.
And then through a whole bunch of weird series of events, I got the opportunity to go on camera and talk about wildlife. And that reached millions of people.
And I was like, this is it. This is how I can actually make a difference in wildlife and conservation.
And now I've been to, I don't know, 80 plus countries, been bitten by everything, stung by everything, caught everything, had everything catch me. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Just doing it all over the world. And I love it.
It's what I live for. break you had was you were on naked and afraid right i had to bring it up huh um yeah you you dominated it i did yeah i did so yeah so the first thing i ever did i came home from being a biologist flopped down on the couch as exhausted spent three works and a half three weeks in a hazmat suit in like 100 degree weather spraying weeds and uh my girlfriend at the time was like you got to go on this stupid survival show like how good you are at this stuff.
And I went and did it, went back to being a normal biologist and the show came out and I crushed it. Like I had one of the highest survival scores in the show's history.
I thought it was like a vacation. I had a blast.
I barely lost any weight, unfortunately. And then, yeah, I was like, this is my opportunity.
So I started actually like writing TV shows and putting them, like reality shows, unscripted adventure shows. And it took three years from when Naked and Afraid came out.
It wasn't long before I saw you guys where I walked into my now business partner's office and was like, hey, let's do this show. We own a production company.
And he was like, yeah, let's try it. I was like, holy crap.
And then it managed to get a pilot and get picked up and turned into a series and another series and so on that's awesome that is very cool because you have a lot of the reality television uh people go on reality television and then they're like oh i'm talented in this way you actually were talented right went to reality television for one episode and that luckily helped like spawn what you are now well my whole thing is like i've always just stayed true to what I care about, which is wildlife. So even while I was in naked afraid in the jungle, you know, running around with, with my balls out, I was like grabbing snakes and talking to them about the camera.
And the guy's like, are you going to kill this thing and eat it or not? And I was like, Oh no, I just wanted to tell you about it. And they're like, well, that's weird.
So I've just always sort of stayed true to what I care about which is talking about wildlife and adventure because i think i think when people connect to the outdoors it's the best thing for them yeah when you move to the united states from zimbabwe were there any animals that like we take for granted here in the united states that are around everywhere that you became fascinated with because you're like oh this is new this is interesting oh big time so uh salamanders and newts are like a new world species meaning they don't occur in africa and i remember like we came to oakland california in the early 2000s it was a rough neighborhood back then and uh my mom got a call from the oakland police department because i'd run off from our like little apartment building and i was waist deep in the in the middle of the park catching newts and they'd come and grab me and pulled me out because they're like what are you doing here because it's like you know san francisco everybody's walking around in their north face jackets like they're not they're not like a kid in the mud in the middle of a park catching newts and i was just like enamored with these things i'd never seen like a water lizard before you know and yeah and then underwater california is epic like there's there's white sharks and seals and sea lions i up in a landlocked country, so all the ocean stuff was incredible

to me. Yeah, so what's

the scariest animal that you've ever encountered?

Not face-to-face, but

pretty much face-to-face. I mean, the scariest

animal for me is mosquitoes, hands down.

That's a boring-ass answer. Yeah, shit, so we've done

We've kind of done those. We're adventurous.

You've done it. I'm a bit of a wildlife

expert myself. Wait, why are mosquitoes?

Just because they have all diseases? Exactly. They carry the worst stuff.
Okay. Yeah, but that's a boring answer.
I mean, I've had some pretty bad stuff. A couple stingray stings, charged by an elephant.
I've had my canoe flipped by a hippo. We've had some close calls.
That sounds scary to me. The hippo, I've always heard they're the most dangerous animal.
Yeah, they're the most unpredictably aggressive. So they can be totally calm and then just kind of snap.
What is that about hippos? Well, what it is is hippos are, they're not actually like a very aggressive animal. They're just a very nervous creature.
And if a hippo can't submerge, meaning go all the way underwater, that's when they panic and attack. So their fight or flight is almost always fight.
So if you trap a hippo in any situation where it can't go underwater, it feels like it has

to fight to get out of that situation.

So if you're taking your canoe and the riverbanks, you know, on this side and the canoe stuck

between you or the hippo stuck between you and the deep water, he's going to flip your

canoe over.

He's going to try and kill you to get to that deep water.

So any situation where they feel even slightly cornered, they're like time to.

So that's so hippos aren't really like it's not they're ferocious. They're just kind of like nervous bitches.
Totally. A hundred percent.
And people don't know this. They either think they're cute and cuddly or ferocious.
They're just nervous bitches. Straight up.
They're like on edge all the time. Hippos just needed someone to be like...
They needed to smoke a little weed and just be like, dude, it's okay. You just got to start shooting them with Xanax.
And then they'd just mellow out. Yeah.
They're so big and strong and fast that when they do get nervous, they can kill anything. 100%.
There's probably animals that are like them out there that have that same nervous energy to them. Right.
That just don't have the ability to murder anything. That's it.
Right? What about that crocodile Gustav? Are you familiar with the legend of Gustav? I am. Because I've heard both sides on Gustav.
Some people think that some of his numbers are inflated. Some people think that they're not inflated enough.
So can you just explain who Gustav is and whether or not he's the real deal? Yeah, Gustav was a notorious crocodile that allegedly killed, what, like 12 people or something like that? I think it was way more than that. Was it more than that? And he was allegedly, I want to say 26 feet long, something like that.
It was supposed to be the largest crocodile in history. You guys can fact check me on all of this.
I think those numbers are likely inflated. Because the numbers that are attributed to Gustav are 200 to 300 people.
Okay, so a little more than 12. Yeah.
Yeah, but he was a famous man-eating crocodile that was said to be like 26 feet long or something like that. My take on that is definitely true man-eating crocodile crocodiles are one of only three animals in the world that actually choose to hunt and eat people um wait what are the other two polar bears and tigers they they want us as snack they will actually choose to eat people like everybody thinks of sharks right oh sharks eat people sharks don't want to eat people.
No interest. Right.
Polar bears, tigers, crocodiles

want to eat people. Oh.

Yeah. Okay.
Which is scary because

I'm doing polar bears for the first time in like three

weeks. You are? Yeah.

Bring them. Well, we

drink Pepsi here, but you can bring them the other

one. Yeah.

Here you go. Have a focused mouth.
There you go.

Yeah. Are you afraid of polar bears?

I've heard that you, if you are in an area with polar bears around, you just need to focus smile there you go yeah are you afraid of polar bears i i've heard that you if you are in an area with polar bears around you just need to be like always awake high alert because if they smell you they can smell you from miles away right and if they want to kill you you're already dead i i think that's relatively true i'm i wouldn't say i'm scared of them because i've never experienced them, but I'm wary because it's a totally different thing.

And we're doing it on foot up in the Arctic in Canada,

which I've never done before.

So I'm really looking forward to it because my whole thing is figuring out

all these interactions with wildlife.

But it's a little bit different from like, oh, if I touch that snake,

it might bite me.

That's a little bit different from like, oh, there's a polar bear

somewhere around camp.

So it'll be interesting, but I'm really excited for it.'s the gnarliest uh snake that you've been bitten by um hmm the gnarliest one is probably and to be clear i don't try and get tagged by any of these things but you've never you've definitely tried a couple times there's there's a couple snakes where you're like go ahead bite me oh for sure i'm doing that at a pet shop yesterday you're a sick fuck yeah yeah um but uh the gnarliest one is probably when i was a teenager i got bitten by a little a little snake called a rhombic night adder but when you're a kid the venom from that can potentially kill you and it did put me into like a small coma for a couple days holy shit yeah i i uh so i was i was playing with a snake down by uh the dam at our farm i was 14 years old 13 years old and i got bitten playing with it and i was like oh that's not good so i circled it on my arm and i wrote the name of the snake down on my arm i jumped on my little peewee 50 motorbike to rush back to the house to tell my mom and i just remember like my vision going like this and the next apparently like some of the guys that were working on the farm saw me just like wipe out and they thought i just like hit a hit a bump right and wiped out so my mom came grabbed me threw me in the truck and saw that i'd written it and circled it on my arm rushed me to the hospital and they were able to wow so if you hadn't written that down you could have died maybe because they would have thought it was a concussion yeah you got in a bike accident exactly yeah that was probably the worst one you think that it's because you live in santa barbara that you have to go out and seek all these like extreme uncomfortable sometimes behaviors like if you lived in youngstown ohio would you still have that thirst to go out like to the australian outback probably more so right i think so i mean maybe not if i'd grown up in ohio but i i think for me it's not really about like the thrill seeking don't get me wrong like i won't tell you i don't enjoy it but it's more about like communicating to the world how cool are these creatures how cool are these adventures like trying to inspire people to like care about the planet and getting outside and specifically the wildlife yeah one thing you do a lot of is uh i guess describing whether or not animals that are listed as extinct are actually extinct yeah like truly extinct because sometimes they get put on the list because they're hard to find. Totally.
And they're in these remote locations. It's expensive.
It's cost prohibitive to go there and spend all those resources trying to be like, oh, here's a seahorse that I found that nobody's seen in like 20 years or whatever. Exactly.
I had a thought though, sometimes would it be beneficial if there's an animal that is, let's say almost extinct. Let's say maybe there's like 50 or a hundred left in the wild.
Would it be beneficial to have whatever the governing body is say, yeah, the animal's extinct because that way people won't go and try to hunt it anymore. I've thought about that as well.
Like from an ethicality standpoint, the problem is if you do that, it's like turning a blind eye. So there's no protections that can be put in place.
So if you do that in an insanely remote place where nobody's actually looking for the animal or hunting it sure that could be beneficial to let sleeping dogs lie but without exposure there's no protections right right whereas like for instance like with the the leopard that we found or the tortoise that we found if we hadn't gone and found those nothing would have been done to attempt to preserve it yeah likely somebody would have come along and just shot it or collected it. You never would have heard about it.
Right. Yeah.
Because it would have just ended up in soup or a skin or who knows what. So I think as long as it's handled the right way, the exposure for something that's been lost to science is really important because then all of a sudden the government can come in and go, let's figure out how to protect this.
Does it mean building a national park? Does it mean, you know, collecting and bringing them in in a facility like whatever it happens to be to try and help and hang on what what's your white whale animal that you think might not be extinct that you want to find um there's a couple i think right now the one that's at the top of my list this is as recent as like three days ago is i got a piece of information on it's going to sound like a snooze but the pink-headed duck which is a little duck that lives in asia with a bright pink head that hasn't been seen in like 50 years. You got a tip? I got a tip, yeah.
Got a tip, baby. Okay.
A duck tip. This is a pretty cool-looking duck.
It's cool, right? That's so funny that you got a tip. Somebody would be like, yeah, I saw him down by the 7-Eleven.
My duck guy in Mongolia hit me. Yeah, yeah, you guys don't have a duck guy? But, yeah, so I got a tip for this area in Myanmar that's a big swamp that this guy thinks he's seen several of them in the last few years.
And so, you know, we vet a lot of these things. It could all be smoke and mirrors, but it also could be legit.
Yeah, so what else? What other ones? That one's very high on my list. The one that sits on the top, Reign Supreme, is an animal called a thylacine.
Do you know what that is that is yeah that's the uh the not not a werewolf uh it's like a werewolf yeah yeah tasmanian tiger okay other name for it yeah so you know i've gone to tasmania and tracked it there not found anything i've gone to australia twice and looked for it there not found anything and because that used to range like 4 000 years ago all the way from new gu, Papua New Guinea, Australia and Tasmania, there are still ongoing reports from like tribes and villages of striped dogs and all these things in Papua New Guinea. So that's the area that I think needs the biggest exposure.
And we have this whole plan put together, 300 trail cameras, the whole thing to like go out and do a big survey to find this thing in Western Papua. So that's like the white right that's the top of the charts but it's funny because that animal has now developed a somewhat like bigfoot demeanor it's from australia right australians are crazy so they're all like they see it like they're bigfoot so it's a bummer because it's not a made-up cryptid thing it's a legit animal right just it nobody's seen one since since the i don't know 50 years or whatever whatever it is.
That's crazy. There was one in the National Zoo.
In Hobart, yeah. In Hobart Tasmania, they had one named Benjamin.
Yeah, so this is like a legitimate animal. Oh, yeah.
And people, when was the last sighting of it? I mean, confirmed sighting was like 12 years. It was like seven or eight years after Benjamin died, whatever year that is, the one in the zoo.
But unconfirmed, probably yesterday, right? You have all these Australian rednecks out there in the middle of the country going, I saw one that ate my sheep. They don't sound like that, but yeah.
So there's reports coming in all the time. That's fascinating.
So how do you do that? If you wanted to go to Papua New Guinea and find the thylacine, what's your strategy? How do you go about finding an animal that nobody's seen? Well, it depends on the each of these things is unique, right? Looking for a snail versus looking for a Tasmanian tiger, two very different surveys and structures and everything else. For this, we need a big group of people.
It's like a three-week trek into the area that we want to go. Then we'd establish a base camp.
We'd spread out from there and do baited cameras, drone surveys, sound traps, all kinds of different technology for up to like three months and then collect all the data and go through it. And some of that's actual trapping.
Some of that's sitting in blind. Some of it's just, you know, remote cameras, trail cameras, things like that.
So it's a big to do to put it all together. But we have some real hot tips from that region.
Have you ever, I mean, that sounds incredible, what goes on behind trying to find an animal like that. Have you ever had luck where you've just shown up and seen it like day one? Oh, yeah.
So the biggest find we've ever had is this Fernandina Island tortoise, which is literally the rarest animal in the world. There's only one known living individual.
It's the one that we found. And before that, they'd only ever seen one before 114 years ago.
Right. And we, it's funny because somewhat controversial, but I remember talking to the government in the Galapagos and being like, hey, we're going to go look for that.
And the guy literally like laughed at me like you're what a clown basically right like sure permit approved go like knock yourself out right like quit wasting my time and we went there and we found it on day three what yeah and we like had like a whole like massive survey we're gonna cover the island blah blah blah we were just hiking was it swimming or on the land no it was on land we like came over this little like lava rock ridge into this green, and we're like, there's tortoise poop.

Five minutes later, we're like, there's the tortoise.

Holy shit.

It was like, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it, but I dove on it like it was a cheetah.

It was a tortoise, and I just picked it up.

It was like, holy shit, holy shit.

That's crazy.

Like the rarest animal in the world.

And how old was that tortoise?

Probably around 70, 80 years old.

Wow.

Yeah.

We have a fox turtle here.

His name's Mr. Pear.

Yeah, Mr. Pear.
He's the only of his kind because he's the only gambling turtle we're gonna go wrestle him after the show okay yeah i was in the galapagos this is like 12 years ago and i did this big tour and uh we had a local guy that was showing us around every day and so on day four we were there he was like this is gonna be my favorite day of the tour you're gonna meet lonesome george yes the last of his kind right yeah what was he a pinta island tortoise exactly right yep he's like the last of his kind some people said he was 80 some people said he was like 170 years old and uh everything in the galapagos there's just flags and merch that you can buy everywhere with lonesome george's face on it or his body and so i'm all i'm psyched and we're getting down from the beach he's driving us back in this little jeep and then he pulls over to the side of the road because he's getting a call and he starts to cry. Oh, no.
Lonesome George just died. He died probably eight hours before I was going to say.
No way. I was so bummed out but now I'm thinking like maybe there's another Lonesome George out there.
Well, there is. It's our tortoise Fern, right? And she's the one, like it's a different species of Fernandina versus the Pinta.
But so the tortoise we found lives in Lonesome George's old enclosure.

Oh, cool.

She lives right there at the Fausto Lorena Breeding Center now.

So now do you have to find a male to?

That's the goal.

Yeah, not so.

I handed that over to the Galapagos government.

I'm like the hide-and-seek king, right?

They just bring me in to find it, and then I roll out.

And they've unfortunately conducted three or four more trips

trying to find another one and not succeeded. So they're continuing to to try i wish them the best but so far no there's got to be girl out there gotta be god it can't be a sausage fest so once they get this if they were to find a female tortoise yeah and introduce it to that habitat then you run into the second problem right because tortoises they don't really like to that much so the one we found is actually a female so they're looking for a male okay um if they've got to be horny he hasn't yeah you'd think by himself in the woods for probably a hundred years yeah i want to get his rocks off so um yeah no i mean if they found them and put them together i think it would probably happen and and the truth is that you because they're all pretty closely related you could probably take any male tortoise of any of the other species and put it in there and it would probably happen, but that'll obviously muddy the gene pool, right? It's its own species.
So, um, I hope they find a male. I really do.
We saw evidence of another one, like two or three miles from the one we found. So I think there are maybe some more individuals on that Island.
What's that feeling like when you see something that people thought was going off the face of the earth? What's the rush? The first time it happened, I actually didn't believe it was happening. And I was sitting on a bus in Zanzibar and look at reviewing thousands of trail camera footage.
Trail camera is like a game camera you put out in the woods. And I was like, clip, clip, clip, clip, clip.
And you don't film me reviewing every clip because the odds of finding something are nearly nothing. Right.
All of a sudden I clicked and I saw this leopard just walk across the camera frame. And I like looked around.
I was like, this can't be real. And I clicked it again, clicked it again, clicked it again.
And then I threw my laptop off, ran over, headbutted my sound guy, swear to God. Like I literally like blacked out.
Like I just lost control. Pull the bus over.
Pull the fucking bus over. Somebody thought I was like dying.
You know what I mean? I just like freaked out like freaked out i might have pissed myself i'm not even sure but no i didn't but it was you know i just like lost control like i couldn't actually believe it had happened and then you know since then we found a lot of really rare stuff so i'm starting to get slightly more used to it but the rush never goes away yeah like imagine yeah it's the rarest thing in the world like for me you know to find that to me is there's no greater accomplishment yeah what about here in in north america in the united states are there any animals that have been labeled extinct that you think maybe still exist yeah there's one that uh um did you guys have colossal the de-extinction company on one of the barstool shows i think you did ben lamb maybe he might have been on one of the shows yours, but one of the shows. I think he was on a barstool thing, but I'm working with him at Colossal Biosciences, and we're putting together a survey to potentially go look for the Florida rainbow snake, which is a snake that's only been seen like two or three times, lives like under the mud, under the water, so really hard to find, right? And I don't think one's been seen, confirmed since the 70s, and South Florida rainbow snake so i think it's i definitely think it still exists i think it's still around it's just a really elusive creature that's so cool all right we're going to take a break in the interview to let you guys know that part of my take is brought to you by catalyst try the only fda cleared at home ems suit backed by 60 years of science and used by pro athletes movie stars stars, and now stud podcasters and me.
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You said you were swimming with the Asian carp, which are – how does that happen, by the way? Explain the Asian carp because people have probably seen the videos where they're jumping out of the rivers in the midwest and they're they're very dangerous for like their invasive species people i i've seen videos where guys are shooting them with shotguns everyone's like why would you kill these fish like no they actually kill them yeah kill as many as you can explain how they got here how it works and then will they ever be gone for sure yeah so uh in peoria illinois on the Illinois River, a couple places, but Peoria is like the HQ of it, there are these invasive Asian flying carp, okay? And what happens is these carp were introduced, I think for food, some 50 or 60 years ago. And because they have no natural predators here, like they do where they're from, their population has exploded to the point that they now make up something like 75% of the biomass in that river.
So 75% of living organisms in that river are these carp. And I could show you guys some videos, but because their defense mechanism, when they're startle is to jump, which is a very unique thing among fish, you can drive a boat through these schools of fish.
And all of a sudden, what looks like this beautiful, placid piece of river erupts with 10,000 fish flying into like 15 feet into the air. So we just started a YouTube channel about a year ago, which is just a fun thing, like something we were going to try out because, you know, I've been on TV a long time.
But TV is kind of on its way out, like cable TV. So we're like, let's start a YouTube channel.
And we decided to go to peoria to look at the invasive flying carp for our youtube channel and we're filming and we did some hilarious stuff i was getting towed around in an inner tube with 10 000 fish jumping at like 40 miles an hour i'm covered in bruises i don't even know if you could see them fish smacking into you so hard dude i thought i was gonna get knocked out i to the dick. It was terrible.
Like I couldn't breathe for like 20 minutes.

It was like jackass level ridiculousness, but it was super fun. And so, yeah, so we were there trying to promote that people should go out and harvest these things and try and bring their numbers down.
Yeah. So do, will they ever be able to get these numbers down? Like, I assume they shock the river every now and then.
They do. They do.
Yeah. So they put out these big plates, shock the river, zap these whole schools of fish.
And there have been like a government level effort at eradicating them for I think five or six years now. And according to like our guy who was driving the boat, who was with us from this Peoria carp hunters, he said it's gone down substantially.
Like it used to be the whole river was exploding. So it sounds like they're knocking it down.
The problem is these things can spawn an individual carp can spawn a million eggs multiple times a year. Holy shit.
So the likelihood of getting rid of them, I would say is zero. You'll never get rid of them.
And how did they get there? They just, someone brought one over? Like, how does that work? With a million eggs being spawned, all you need is one pregnant one to get in the river, and that's it, right? And it's an exponential growth. So it's like, okay, there's a million eggs, maybe only 100,000 survive,

or maybe 10,000 survive,

but then that 10,000 reproduces a million each,

another 10,000 each, you know what I mean?

So it's exponential growth,

and they're still not at capacity.

Like if the commercial efforts to remove them stopped,

probably go from 75% of the biomass to 99% of the biomass.

Wow, that's crazy.

Are they, can you at least eat them?

You can, they're okay, I'll be honest. I wish they were tasty, That would solve the problem.
If they were salmon, there would be no issue. Are they fun to catch? Oh, they're so much fun to catch.
Okay. Because you're shooting them out of the air with bows, and you're on this inner tube with a net.
Can you catch them with a rod? Will they bite? No. Oh, they won't.
Because they're filter feeders. So they're actually eating plankton in the water.
They're going through and slurping up everything, kind of like a whale shark, like the big gill rakers and stuff. I mean, you could probably snag them with a hook or something, but they're not actually trying to eat.
So you have to come up with these outrageous other methods to catch them. And I'll tell you, it is wild.
Like, it's really fun. What about just going on, I don't know, water skis with a baseball bat? Done.
No problem. Just swinging away as they jump in the air.
You can absolutely you can absolutely do that that would be a good fancy football punishment actually just having somebody in an inner tube just get dragged around the river for like three hours just walloped with if you set that up i will take your guy who loses at fantasy and get his butt kicked by car no problem flying into his face yeah what about the uh the mexican grizzly bear yeah that's an interesting because it's like a silver bear right it's not it's not white it's not brown it's got like a silver exactly right yeah they called it uh i'm gonna butcher it but it's like oso platito like platinum bear um and it meant the silver bear and so grizzlies used to roam you know now we think of grizzlies we think of alaska whatever right way up north they used to roam all through north america America down into Mexico. And Mexico had its own subspecies, which was the Mexican grizzly, the silver grizzly bear.
In the 70s, I want to say, there was one in a zoo somewhere. And it died.
And it was like, oh, that's the end of the species. Then 14 years later, a Mexican hunter shot one and brought it into town.
So the species hung on 14 years after we thought it would have gone extinct it was a big beautiful silvery bear and the region that it lives in is still a pretty remote like mountainous region and there are still farmers going oh something came down last night and took my livestock it's definitely not a puma you know so there's there's like a faint shred of hope that it's still out there and that's in is that in like cartel, yeah. So that makes it a little bit more dangerous to go hunting for them.
It'd be tough to explain to the Zetas. Like, no, I'm just looking for a bear.
I think you could still do it. You know what I mean? That's the thing.
So I go down to Baja a lot, and I run into cartel guys quite regularly, and they're the nicest guys. I'm not saying they're nice outside of when you're having an interaction, but as long as you don't get in their way, you know what I mean? They're not getting in your way kind of thing.
Don't cross any lines. Don't be an idiot.
Just be polite and respectful. I think you could probably pull it off, but it is very deep in the heart of where all the turmoil is.
Yeah. I mean, I love all these stories about all these different animals.
Give me another one that's a scary animal that you've been close to. The polar bears.
I can't wait to hear how that goes. That'll be fun.
But what's another, whether it be a gorilla, snake. I mean, we're pussies.
We're city guys. I talk a lot of shit on animals being like, I could take down a bear, knowing they'll never face one.
I mean, let's give ourselves some credit. There was an instance when we were out in Southern California playing Frisbee.
True. And a coyote walked right past us.
I was ready to take it. And we just yelled at the coyote.
We were like, come back here, get some bitch. Nice.
And the coyote stopped and looked at me and then I was like, no, you can keep walking. You thought he looked at you like, I'm not messing with them.
He looked at you like and just kept going just kept going. You think I could take a coyote? I do think you could take a coyote.
They're pretty scrawny. You're a big guy.
I'd fuck the coyote up. The best is it walks away from us, and they're like, yeah, walk away, bitch.
That's smart. Making us feel like we scared it up.
We had a pug with us, so we didn't want the pug to get attacked. He would have eaten the pug, for sure.
For sure. Another scary critter, right? Yeah, or animal that you've gotten really close to or seen that's like majestic.
One of the hardest things we've ever done, which to me is still one of my greatest accomplishments, is two or three years ago, we performed the largest elephant translocation in history. So we put together, it's a crazy story.
I like sold this whole TV show and I took all the resources from the show and put it into this one conservation thing. So then the rest of the season was kind of fucked, but it was awesome because it was so worth it because I got a call from a buddy of mine from Zimbabwe from when my childhood goes, it's so tragic.
There's this herd of 24 elephants that they're going to shoot right outside the city of Maputo because they're running through villages and they're killing people and they're squashing crops and everybody's angry with them. There's nothing we can do.
And I was like, what do we need to do? He's like, we need like a big chunk of money and we can catch them and move them to this national park that's 300 miles away. I was like, give me a week.
And I like called in every favor, every resources, got all this money, went there, flew into Mozambique. And I won't bore you with all the specifics, but literally like three helicopters, four semi trucks, two crane trucks, a crew of 60 people like this huge operation and successfully tranquilized, captured, loaded onto flatbeds, loaded into containment trucks and transported 24 elephants without losing a single.
Wow. Yeah.
And there was some crazy stuff there because you're you're in a helicopter you're darting an elephant then you have three minutes from when you

hit it till the tranquilizer takes effect and it falls to the ground so you have to get three

minutes you have to try and herd it with your helicopter then the second it hits the ground

you jump out you run over elephants suffocate if they don't breathe through their trunks so if they

land on their trunk they're dying so you have three minutes to rip its trunk out from it to let

it breathe to keep it stable then you cut a road in like literally hand cut a road in, in comes a semi truck with a crane that lifts it up, puts it on a flatbed, then moves it into a conveyor belt truck that moves it into a transport truck. Holy shit.
It was insane, man. And we're like, there's a clip of me in one of these shows where we hit one of the babies, but the dart doesn't go in all the way.
And it's trying to stay around its mom so it's it's like freaking out and i have to run over and like tackle this thing to the ground to try and like put it down and then give it more tranquilizer and there's elephants all around helicopters overhead it was insane but at the end of the day the the part of it that was so magical to me was it was all like this blur of adrenaline and craziness and like my one cameraman nearly died when an elephant kicked over a door and nearly crushed him like it was insane but then we got there like 40 hour drive and we get there and we open the doors and out go these elephants in this protected national park and literally the last one like runs out looks back and trumpets like a thank you yeah and then runs off into the bush and we're like they're gonna live like they're safe it was just such a rewarding thing a rewarding thing to do. That's so cool.
Yeah, it sounds like a great feeling. Yeah, it really was.
How long do you think you could make it just doing a nine-to-five job? Like if you were an accountant, you woke up tomorrow and you're like, okay, you got to commute 45 minutes each way. You're going to work in this cube and go home.
Maybe three days. Yeah.
Yeah. I think I'd be on really good behavior for the first day, like pretty cranky the second day and undeniably get fired on the third day.
Did you ever think about like when you graduate from college, I don't know how your career went right after graduation, but for a lot of people, there's like a little in between time where you don't know if, if your desired career, the one that you really want to do is going to work out and you're like, Oh, maybe I'll just take a job because I need money. I got to have a place to live.
I got to have food. Like, was there a moment where you thought like, okay, maybe I will just try to do something corporate for a little bit.
For sure. Yeah.
I got out of college and I was, I was working as a biology field tech making like 12 bucks an hour. And I like moved up the ladder in that because I was good at it.
Like I'd go out way harder, way longer than everybody else. Cause I loved being outside.
But what's so shitty about the sciences in that field, the better you get, the less time you spend in the it's like oh man you're really good at this move into the office start writing grant proposals manage a team right and so i started moving up yeah and i literally i remember the day i walked into my boss morgan's office and i was like i want to go back to being a tech he's like that's you'll make half your salary i was like i don't care i just rather be outside doing stuff than doing this and he's like okay i guess like it's terrible for everybody but if you want and he like didn't understand it i'm like i don't want to be sitting in an office writing grant proposals like i want to be out in the field so yeah i mean i i was on that ladder you know and then the tv thing happened and it was a full pivot yeah it's like the farther up you get the more disconnected you get from the actual work which shouldn't isn't that fucked up yeah because that's the opposite of how it should be if you're an expert in adventure or wildlife or sciences or whatever you should have to be working with the thing all the time to say that you're an expert on it and what's crazy is especially in the sciences in the bio in the biological sciences the further up the chain you get the less time you get to actually interact and be observational with the creature. Yeah, I mean, it happens in sports all the time with coaches where it's like, oh, this guy's a great defensive line coach and he's so good.
He's now a defensive coordinator. Now he's head coach.
He can't coach this position the way he used to. Yeah, I'm a big rugby guy.
Like Razzie Erasmus, the head coach of the Springboks, he sits in a box watching them all coach and that's like mandated by world

rugby and it's like he's the best coach that's ever existed he should be on the pitch yeah exactly yeah what big cat described is why we don't have jim tomsula's anymore yeah just got elevated to the point of incompetence yeah right yeah and now hands down on yeah messed up man it doesn't make any sense how long um i know you did the naked and afraid but how long could you survive if we just dropped you anymore was it forever i mean no no i i survival for me is like it's a means to an end you know and what i mean by that is i'm by no means the greatest survivalist or anything like that that's ever done it probably 99 of the people that have done shows like naked and afraid survivor are better at it than i am yeah i just have a different mentality i'm i like it i think it's fun. I'm not the guy that breaks down and cries about how hungry he is.
I'm like, I don't know. I'll just go find some food.
So I have a different mentality, but I don't have the technical skills that most of these survivalists have. I can rub sticks together and make a fire because I've done it a handful of times out of necessity.
I'm not a weekend warrior spends every Saturday training and prepping and, you know, figuring out little fish hooks and stuff like that. Like I, I'm more focused on the wildlife sciences.
Yeah. So with the, uh, the polar bear thing, what, what's your goal for the polar bear expedition? What are you trying to do? Yeah.
So we're filming it for the YouTube that I mentioned. And the goal is to show people that they aren't mindless killing machines, you know, like they are really cool animals.
So we're doing it on foot, likeari walking up on polar bears and you know i don't want to say anything before it's happened but the goal is to be not interactive because we don't want to disturb them but close enough in proximity to show like look at this these giant white bears they know we're here they're choosing not to kill us or eat us and we're just sitting here observing them so that's the goal is there a chance you could be wrong well yeah there's always you just walk by and they just all of them charge you that would not be good yeah that would not be good i i you know i'm working with the so we're doing this in manitoba canada i'm working with their travel board i have a feeling there'll be a guy there with bear spray and a rifle and you know all that kind of stuff but you know we're gonna they've done it before to be clear the manitoba travel and we are gonna test the boundaries of distance and everything else so you know there'll be a little give and take yeah yeah i mean that's kind of scary to be like yeah we're wrong not killing machines and they're like no we are oh wait a minute well i'll tell you this if i said that about crocodiles and i'll get some hate from some of my close friends alligators american crocodiles sure but if you say But if you say they're not mindless killing machines about crocodiles, like Nile crocs or saltwater crocs, they absolutely, they're mindful killing machines. Like they're intentionally trying to figure out how to kill you.
Yeah, you did. Didn't you like swim? Did you do something where you put like crocodile, you wore basically crocodile armor? Yeah.
Can you explain that? Yeah, sure thing. So we went down to this place in Central central america with american crocodiles crystal clear water and i designed the suit that had electro receptive blocking technology it's called a hex suit um it's kind of like what's in the door of your microwave you know you could stare a microwave without frying your brain and so it had that technology in it but then to go one step further we made it all crocodile print and theme and colors and stuff with the idea of it being like biomimicry like look like a croc act like a croc and maybe the crocs won't eat you and then we hopped in the water and dove with these crocodiles and it was it worked like we didn't they didn't bother you so look i'll be honest i don't think you see this in the little film we made but i had a broomstick with me for the first like day and a half and every time they get too close i'd put the broomstick between me and the cro be like, look, like you just kind of approach me.
And then after doing that and conditioning them a little bit, they were like, okay, this thing that I think I'm going to go investigate is like a wooden stick. Like I'm going to leave it alone.
So then I was able to leave the stick alone and actually like swim and interact with them. That's crazy.
So scary. You're also kind of insane.
No disrespect. I don't think kind of,.
But to put on a crocodile suit, maybe they'll think I'm a crocodile and then just swim around freely. Maybe, I don't know, like Big Cat said, we're kind of pussies.
But when you're talking about animals that might get a bad rap, like bad PR, you're thinking maybe polar bears have been branded a little bit unfairly as mindless killing machines. I mean, they do kill and they have killed.
Yep. But they don't kill for fun.
They don't kill for sport, maybe. What are some other animals out there that you think have a bad PR team? I think none go more so than sharks.
Sharks have the worst PR, especially Florida. It's like another shark attack.
Don't come to the beaches, right? The news loves it. The news loves it.
I know because I speak on the news about this pretty often. I'm always trying to say the same thing, which is like sharks just being a shark.
Anytime you enter into the ocean, you are signing a mental waiver of like, hey, I'm going into something else's domain. It's the only time, especially in like North America, where we're not at the top of the food chain.
If you're swimming in the ocean off the coast of North America, you are no longer the apex, right? There are things above you food chain that can that can eat you and you just have to be okay with that and sharks aren't trying to eat you they're most of the time they're coming around doing what's it called an investigatory bite where they're just going is this food bite because that's how they taste something you go oh yuck i don't like human it's gross you know um and that's it but that bite is enough to kill people so that's that's the problem is there a thing because it does feel like we'll just hear about oh yeah this is a bad summer for sharks right is that real or is it just when's the last summer that wasn't a bad summer for true you know it's always the summer of the shark it's always there was that one i actually went on vacation right by uh i think it was uh on the panhandle in florida there was that little like Yeah, Rosemary Beach and all that stuff. There was that stretch where it was like a two-week stretch where three or four people were bitten, and it was like, what's going on down there? So there's an interesting thing happening that most people probably don't realize.
One is, you might have heard about this this year, the water in Florida was like 91 degrees in May. The water was too hot too hot so when that happens it speeds up the shark's metabolism so when they get warmer they need to eat more now at the same time when the sea gets too warm all the bait fish disappear they go really deep so now you've got a bunch of hungrier sharks because their metabolisms are sped up looking for food uh more more than they regularly would more hungry than they regularly are in the dead of summer when everybody's going to the beach.
So it's just this confluence of situations where it's like, I'm hungry, I'm looking for food, and then you have guys splashing in the water, playing football, or a chick with some jewelry on or something, like shiny things, and the sharks are just like, oh, that could be bait, boom, and they go and bite it, and that's the problem. So they're not attacking, they're literally just thinking that it's food they're just hoping they're like oh is this a food oh no it's not gross you know but a shark can't like pick it up and touch it and go oh no this isn't good like their way of figuring that out is a nip they nip you and then like my bad yeah and then leading to death yeah so people who are getting shark bit or bit by sharks are not even being like fully bit by sharks no they're being tasted yeah oh my god yeah it's an appetizer what about the inverse of that is there any animal that has a great pr team that is secretly kind of an asshole and dangerous pandas oh dude pandas they're dumb as shit they will hand you you could google this if you go to a panda in captivity and it has a baby and it's nurturing its cute little baby and you put out an apple it will hand you its baby and take the apple swear to god nobody talks about this they're dumb as shit they're mean they're terrible parents they're bad moms yeah and we're like oh the panda it's like the symbol for ww i love it videos where they're rolling around and looking dumb because they're dumb that's it yeah they they got the easy street of pr man it's crazy that's They are cuddly, though.
Oh, they're adorable. Yeah.
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But you never see it in there. Never in, but, you know, you got foxes.
Nothing. You got pandas.
You got raccoons. You're always eating.
Sharks, you know. They got the tentacles, and it's like there's always the scary music playing.
Right. Straight up.
Straight up. No, I love it.
I think it's a great call. I think octopus are insanely intelligent.
They can change the color of the skin, the texture of their skin their skin they can hide in anything they can make a clamshell their home they're epic predators like they can go out and catch something without i saw a video of one of them catching a shark the other day it's insane right they just reach out and grab it pull it in yeah they're awesome i think more kids i agree with nick i think more kids okay have an octopus is their favorite okay that doctor uh the the my mind. It's crazy, right? I made friends with an octopus.
Straight up, yeah. They were just buddies and they'd hang out every day.
Yeah, just pals. It shows you that level of cognitive intelligence where the octopus was like, oh yeah, this is an actual friend to me and it's benefiting me to have this relationship.
Yeah, they're the best. I love octopus.
What about Orca? Where do they stand? Do they they have a good pr team or bad pr team i think generally pretty bad because especially recently right they're knocking over boats and stuff yeah until that orcas have never actually hurt or killed anyone in the wild all those orca deaths have been in captivity it's that we know of that we know of that we know of maybe they're actually just the best at covering it up like the zodiac yeah yeah true the zodiac orca yeah it's a good movie um but uh yeah i think that you know people are really scared of orcas and rightfully so like i've dove in with orcas and it's the only animal and i might i might have a different answer to this after the polar bears it's the only animal i've ever been around where i feel completely useless like if that orca wants to eat me if wants to smack me with its tail wants to, wants to do anything, there's nothing I can do. You're in the water with a big shark.
You swim at it. You like show aggressive body language.
The shark's like, whoa, you know, you're in the water with an orca. It's like you're a rag doll.
Like whatever they want to do, they're going to do. So I think that they probably get like a pretty bad rap overall.
But for the most part, they until until recently, I guess they don't want to have anything to do with us. Yeah.
Speaking of orcas, there was a situation last summer. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but there was an orca that was in Florida that was kind of on her last leg.
She wasn't doing well in captivity. The owner of the Colts, Jim Irsay, was going to pay like $3 million to fly it across the country and then put it in, I forget which body of water.
Let her go, though, right? Yeah, let her go. Basically, let her go into a very large but contained a very large but contained area yeah it's like a natural area i remember that how would you transport an orca how can you fly an orca so they're like a lot of marine mammals as long as they stay hydrated and wet because they're air breathing they're actually okay so this is a bad analogy but you know you can see a turtle crossing the road and you're like oh there's a turtle right like it should should be in water.
It's fine as long as it's wet and stays like that. So same thing with an orca.
You can transport them. They don't have to be in a tank of water.
They just have to be wet and hydrated. And so I imagine with that instance, you'd probably have in some kind of a containment, but you'd pick up that container, fly it and land it.
And it's not like it'd be a giant fish tank. It would just need to be wet.
So you just put a big whale onto a giant plane and essentially have a bunch of hoses that spray the oil. Hoses, wet blankets kind of thing, you know, towels just keeping it really hydrated and wet, water in its mouth, and then move it.
Wow. Because our producer, Hank, said that it couldn't be done.
He said you can't move a whale. He's wrong.
He knows nothing. Well, Forrest, thank you so much for stopping by.
It was awesome to have you back on the show. Again, also awesome because people are going to hear this for the first time.
Yeah. And everyone go check out his YouTube channel.
And I'm excited to see the polar bears. Thanks, buddy.
I be safe. I will.
I promise. We'll talk about it next time.
Yes, I hope so. Me too.
Be safe, okay? Me too. When is it coming out? Probably three or four weeks.
Okay. Yeah.
We might have to see. Can you text me when you get home safely? Yes.
I will text you more, boys. Are your parents ever concerned? Are they like, what's for you? I don't tell them anymore.
Yeah. It's kind of like us.
We don't tell our parents. No.
No. Our podcast.
We're all black sheep here. Yeah.
All right. Thanks so much, Forrest.
Thanks, boys. Appreciate it.
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The Mount Rushmore Redual to decide who loses Mount Rushmore season. How we got here if you missed the duel on Tuesday.
PFT won on the votes. And then we found out there was maybe some graphic things that happened i actually for people who are saying hank's a sore loser i do not think he was right he was ready to take the loss it's pft's decision to redual it's my choice so i do not think hank was in the wrong whatsoever um they're also when you look back there were some max ass specifically what should be on the graphic and that did change so i think I think we're fair for a redual.
There are irregularities. Yeah.
And I accept that. I'm happy.
I am happy to abide by the outcome of this redual. So for the redual, Max will say, what do you want on the graphic? And there will be no changes.
Is that fair? It's fair. Not a single change from the words you want on the graphic.
Hank? Yep. That's fair.
All right. So it's going to be a one Mount Rushmore redewal.
Before we do it, we have the hat with the punishments. Ooh.
So you guys can pick, and this is actually fun because whoever ends up winning this will not have to do the punishment they picked, which is to be a great cancellation uh there's four punishments in here there is lebron's points there's winning a natty in ncaa 25 there is running a marathon and there is a nine darter doing a marathon doing a marathon yeah do you're right doing a marathon completing a marathon completing 26.2 miles if i come one in one setting if i complete the marathon can i not tell people about it well you're going to stream it so as long as i don't actually say that's i ran a marathon yeah all right so and you both get a veto so if you if you get if you pick one that you you do not want to do you can then just take it out of the hat. Okay.
Who picks first?

If you use your veto, you can't be like,

oh, but actually I want to do that.

That's fair?

Yep.

Who would like to go first?

I'll go first.

PFT is taking from the hat.

PFT, what is your pick?

My pick is LeBron's scoring record.

I would veto that if I were you. How long do you think it's going to take? I think it will take you like four days.
How many points could that guy have scored? All right, quick math. How many threes did we say he hit? Well, he scored zero points in college.
How many threes has LeBron James hit? How many threes do you think he could hit in a minute, PFT? Two. Two in a minute.
So

just the threes

so that would be

okay, so just the threes would

take you... 2.5.

We're going to go with two and we'll just

see. Just the threes would take you 20

hours.

And that's non-stop. Two a minute.

You could hit more than two in a minute

though. Alright, let's say you could hit five in a minute.
Okay.. Two a minute.
Two a minute, yeah. You could hit more than two in a minute, though.
All right, let's say you could hit five in a minute.

Okay.

Five in a minute would be...

Ten hours-ish.

So we just put an impossible thing on one of the punishments.

Because no one was ever doing this, if that's what you're saying.

Well, no, you could shoot threes.

That would take you eight hours if you hit five a minute.

I mean, Hank, you could probably hit ten threes a minute threes that would take you eight hours if you hit five a minute i mean hank you could probably hit 10 threes a minute so that would take you four hours like i think you could do it hank i don't know is it and that's total that's just just as threes okay yeah those are just layups yep then it's just layups and free throws yeah okay i'm gonna rep Okay. What pick do you have there?

I got Marathon.

Oh, okay.

So PFT will be completing a marathon if he loses.

Give me a back.

When is said Marathon?

I'd say it has to be within the next three months.

Is that fair? Oh, it's not a Chicago Marathon? Well, we were saying we could do it, but I don't know if you can enter at this point. I would almost rather- There would be more hoops to go through.
I would rather do the marathon that's like two weeks from now, three weeks from now, than to have to wait three months and just have that over my head. All right, so you want to say within a month? I'll try to do the Chicago Marathon if I lose.
Okay. Yeah, so so let's say buy the chicago marathon whether it be doing it on your own or doing the actual chicago marathon yeah because i don't want to have to spend like three months actually training for marriage correct the worst part is that's perfect yeah chicago marathon is sunday october 13th okay so you have to have completed a marathon by the end of sunday october 13th and you can do it you could do it we could do a stream or you could actually run it.
We would have to find someone who would run in front of you with the backpack. Okay.
Hank. Hold on.
Henry has picked. Nine darter.
I would veto that if I were you. Well, so we're not going to do regulation length we've established that it'd be a fair length but I'm going to do it wow now I want Hank to lose I didn't want to do like a marathon would kill me so what exactly is a nine darter it's 180 points and in ninth row so you have to make nine darts as triple 20s no no you you can you can do it in any order right is there multiple ways to get a nine darter yeah so yeah oh okay i thought it was nine triple 20 oh no wait no no no no it's it's oh my god's even worse.
It's 501 points in nine darts.

Oh my God.

There's a bunch of different combinations, but.

You have to get exactly 501?

Yeah.

Whew.

Yeah, there's a bunch of combinations.

You get three 20s, three 19s, and a double 12.

Three 20s, three 15s, and a double 18. Three 17s, three 18s, and a double 12, three twenties, three fiftings and a double 18, three seventeens, three eighteens and a double 18.
Those seem like they might be doable. And then there's also three twenties, three nineties and a bullseye.
Cause what were the, it was marathon. Wait, is it, is it, it's three triple twenties, right? Yeah.
It's it's not just three 20s. So we would come up with a fair distance.
It would not be the regulation distance. We've established that.
It would be a distance that is fair to having it be a possibility. So are you going to keep it? Because what's the third one besides all college football? Yeah, that.
Or you could do glitch plays.

But I don't want to risk it.

I don't want to risk.

Yeah.

I don't want to risk getting Marathon or LeBron.

I mean, the nine darter would be electric.

Yeah.

Like, you getting a nine darter would be an absolute scene.

And I think the physical toll on my body.

Yeah.

You might actually end up just getting really good at darts.

Yeah, which that's a bonus.

Okay, and then should we just say for fairness that you have to do the nine darter before October 13th as well? That's fine. All right.
Okay. Okay.
And if I lose and I don't get into the Chicago Marathon for whatever reason, you'll just run it. I will run an alternate marathon prior to that point.
I think it'll be. And then I'm going to bike around the entire island of Manhattan.
I will as well. Nice.
And then we're going to eat shit if Florida State loses their next game. Yeah, that fucking coward.
It's crazy. What a coward.
I ate shit for the Capitals, and it wasn't even. It was after a win.
Yeah. This also just reminds me that when I pick my pinky team this year, I mean, every year it's in the back of my head but just deactivate I have to fucking cut off my pinky.
Okay are we ready to go boys? We got to also odds or evens on the lottery ball decide who goes first Hank? Odds or evens? Evens please Hank has selected evens. Pick a number two,

Hank.

I'm going to take eight.

40.

And if you get it right,

then you win.

Automatic win?

Automatic win,

yeah.

Automatic win?

Three.

Means three does not count.

43.

That would have been all time.

So, PFT, would you like to go first?

I would like to go first, Big Cat.

Okay.

So, get the timer up.

And we're doing a minute and a half, Hank?

You guys can take two minutes.

Okay.

Here we go.

Boy, we haven't started. I haven't said the topic yet minutes two minutes okay we're gonna do because this mount rushmore season has been very been very fun and we're thinking about all the moments and what was the moment that stuck out the most how did you say it on the graphic what color arguing about cheese? Arguing about the color of cheese.
What color is cheese? Yeah, what color is cheese? So we are going to do a color. We are going to do the Mount Rushmore of green.
The boys are writing. Mount Rushmore of green.
What? What? I'm just trying to think of who I who I want to do their punishment. I think both the both are great.
I'm excited about both. I actually would have dreaded if one of them had landed on LeBron.
I would have been like this is actually not going to be possible. My daughter could be daughter would be electric, but the nine daughter I like because it could be so long or it could be.
Yeah, he could just be incredible. He could just be a beast.
The fact that there's multiple ways to get it too. Yeah.
But it's not like you can mess up. No, you have to be perfect.
But think about the stream and having. Once he gets the first five in five in a row right it would be so good i want the nine daughter the marathon would be funny but the nine daughter could be like the the nine daughter is great just because it's uh you get the moment you get the moment and you also get like he'll have moments where he'll get seven in a row and then he's fucked up there'll be so many moments for them yeah i want the best man to win yeah the nine daughter i want to watch the nine daughter so bad either way we've we figured out uh so next year we were talking about it we'll do mount rushmore season kind of like rivalry week we'll have dual week where we'll all duel each other so like like

monday like i'll duel hank max will duel pft tuesday i'll or wednesday i'll duel hey or max pft and hank so we'll do duel week that will it's like the in-season tournament duel week will be electric duel week will be electric i fucking love the duel i'm addicted to the duel duel I just went to sleep being like,

Duel.

Reduel.

Reduel.

I woke up.

Nine seconds.

A little... I fucking love the duel.
I'm addicted to the duel. The duel.
I just went to sleep being like duel. Red duel.
Red duel. I woke up.
Nine seconds. I was like a little brawn meme.
I can't believe this is my life. We're redueling.
Do you guys need more time? Do you need more time? Time is up. I'm good.
Okay. Okay.
And obviously, I don't have to say this, but I'll say it just because we've had controversies.

We're taping this at 1145.

The poll's not going up until 2.

Please no funny business on Twitter with any tipping pics or anything.

I'm not going to tweet anything just to be safe.

Yes.

Hank, you agree.

No funny business.

And then we will all not look at our phones from 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock. Yep.
And then we will find out live who has won the Mount Rushmore. Okay.
PFT, you have first pick. What is your first selection for Mount Rushmore of green? My first pick is going to be weed.
Whoa. Taking weed right off the bat.
That wasn't my 1-1. Marijuana.
Wow. Greenleaf.
Reefer. Wow.
Jazz cigarettes. Wacky tabacky.
Just weed on the graphic. Weed.
It's good for you. On my graphic, I would just like the word cash.
Love that. That was my one-one.
Cash is good. Cash is good.
Not money. Some would say- Just cash.
We got to have this clear. Some would say cash is king.
Cash money. Cash money.

Cash money.

Okay.

Okay.

That's smart.

That was smart.

All right.

So you have just weed, not marijuana.

Two, I would like it on top of each other.

You want marijuana or weed?

Now I feel like I'm being coached into saying marijuana.

No, I'm just asking.

I'm going to stick with weed.

Okay, weed.

All right, great.

That's a good one.

I like it.

I like it.

I just want to...

We're just making sure there's no issues when we get to the graphic.

Whatever is said in these white lines is going to be put on the graphic. No changes.
That's fair. Okay.
My second pick will be football field. Good one.
I thought about doing sports fields. No, football field.
But football field is good. It's a good pick.
Yeah. It's a good pick.
That moment we talked about it where you're walking through the concourse and you see the green through the cement. It's a good pick.
It's a strong start. It's a strong start.
Both boys have been making the right moves. I got to say, I'm deep in my own head, though, because I didn't even have cash on my list.
That was my 1-1. Yeah.
I actually, we had the discussion. It was two minutes, yeah.
Beforehand, we were like, we didn't want to pick a Mount Rushmore that had like a boobs or something. And we had the discussion, is money too much of a 1-1? But listen, weed was a great pick.
Hank, your second pick. Oh, no.
The lights are kind of going out over here. The lights are kind of going out.
There's another strong one out there. I don't have a lot.
Kelly green jerseys. Okay.
Okay. I'm in a bad spot okay okay we were making the right picks until then but yeah i mean it's tough that i i got i really don't have i'm i'm screwed hank i did have kelly jerseys on my list but it was way down there yeah no i don't i my list is is fucked All right, PFT.
I'm going to go with Ireland. Mmm.

Mmm. But it was way down there.
Yeah, no, I don't. My list is fucked.
All right, PFT. I'm going to go with Ireland.
Mm. Mm.
Okay. What does that mean? Ireland's green.
The Emerald Isle. That's what they call it.
What would you like on the graphic? Ireland. Okay.
How is Ireland green? I think we went off the board here. No, Ireland's a good pick.

You're wrong about Ireland being a bad pick.

Ireland is known as being a green island.

It's green.

They call it the Emerald Island. I can't speak because I don't want to have anything be changed

or anyone think of things we'll discuss after. Henry, your third pick.
Are you out of picks? I just don't have any good ones. There's one that I thought Hank would have for sure.
Wow, this is tense. This is tense.
The boys are is tense The boys are stuck

The boys are stuck

Did something happen?

It just went away

It went away

He had it

He had it

Latch back onto that, Hank

Whatever that thought was

Chase that

Chase that thought

I can just feel the nerves in this room

It's giving me butterflies

Chase the thought, Hank

Find it

You have a good draft going right now with Cash Money

I really don't Thank you. You can just feel the nerves in this room.
It's giving me butterflies. Chase the thought, Hank.

Find it.

You have a good draft going right now with Cash Money.

I really don't.

Cash Money's a great pick.

Four-leaf clover.

Okay.

Okay.

That's not terrible.

That's a pretty good pick for you. It might be better than I would.

I thought you were going to go much worse.

All right.

I think this is going to wrap it up for me.

The green jacket.

That's a good pick.

That's a really good pick.

That's a really good pick.

I didn't think of it, and it's a really good pick.

I did not think that that was going to last this long.

That's a good pick.

I can't believe you went Ireland over the green jacket.

I knew that Hank didn't have the green jacket because if

he did he would have said it earlier that might have wrapped it up yeah that wrapped it up congrats pft uh i'll go with nickelodeon slime oh i don't hate it yeah it's not a bad pick to just pull out of the air. Yeah.
So the reason why I was pushing back on Ireland. So that's a final Nickelodeon slime.
Okay. We were talking before.
St. Patrick's Day, just picking St.
Patrick's Day would have been a banger pick. Yeah.
I feel like Ireland. I was waiting for that over Ireland.
Ireland contains St. Patrick's Day, but it's much, much more than that.

I'm shocked that Hank- Graphic St. Patrick's Day would have been a huge hit.

I think Ireland, just as its own, is good.

But Hank, I am shocked that you took Kelly jerseys over Celtics uniforms.

I was trying not to tip.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I figured you weren't going to tip.

I had J-Lo's dress.

Remember that dress?

Oh, yeah. That was a good one.
That was a great green dress. Snakes? Just snakes.
Yeah. That's not a good pick.
I'm just saying green things. Parrots.
I'm just saying green things. Parrots are good.
Avocados. Yeah.
Hank, what are you writing? I'm writing them out. You're doing a manual graphic? What else? Memes, did you think anything left off? Green jacket.
I mean, that was a good pick. Memes thought about the Jets.
Mr. Pear.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, Mr.
Pear. Mr.
Pear would have been good. Crocodile.
Dinosaur. Oh, dinosaur would have been good.
Dinosaurs are a big miss, yeah. Dinosaur would have been good.
I didn't. Dinosaurs are a big miss.
Dinosaur would have been good. I was going to be hot sauce all over again.
But I was thinking tropical water. Tropical ocean water.
Yeah, that would have not been it. It's blue.
Shrek's a big miss too. Shrek's a great one.
Damn. Shrek's a great one damn Shrek is a great one I think the Kelly green jerseys I don't know maybe I think Philly will show out watermelons I also think the thing that if I don't think it really played any factor like people voting for certain people but you having weed and me having kelly green jerseys might and you having green jacket might you know sway people to think it's me but i don't think that matters i don't think that mattered and yeah yeah although except for the hang ninja, Ninja Turtles would have been fucking dynamite.

Yoshi.

That would have been done.

I think I got a shot.

Cash money is a big one.

It is.

That's a, that's a good one.

One.

If I had to do or leave clover is a good counter to Ireland.

Yeah.

I would have taken it knowing what I know now.

I would have taken cash money.

One, one over weed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it's going to be tight.

I don't, I'm not green jacket might be. Green jacket might be the one that – if you had gotten one other solid one, if you had gotten like Ninja Turtles or something.
Yeah, but football. Everyone loves the Kelly green jersey.
It's true. I had football field.
Football field, yeah. Okay, boys.
So we'll find out at the end in a minute while you're listening to this in a a minute, but in a couple hours here in real time, who lost Mount Rushmore season. Good work.
We feel good about the redual? I think it's fair. Same.
Okay. And what were no graphic changes? No, can you read off the graphics officially now? We're going to, no, I can't do that do that we the other one we were thinking about doing

which we can just save for next summer was one time pmt guess oh that would be good yeah that'd be a really good one we'll save that for next i wanted to do cheese official graphic team one cheese official graphic team one weed football field ireland the green jacket team two cash money, Kelly green jerseys, four leaf clover,

Nickelodeon slime.

I would like cash on top of money.

I would like Kelly green on top of jerseys.

Yep.

Four leaf on top of clover, Nickelodeon on top of slime.

Oh, okay.

That is exactly how it is.

I like however memes and Shane formatted is good for me.

I'm not going to be a pain in the butt and ask you guys to change things. Okay.
Let's wait. Let's wait.
Good job, boys. Okay.
It's time, boys. It is time.
It is time. Before we do it, do we want to address a recurring guest, one of our best friends in the entire world, Jerry O'Connell.
Last time he was on the show, I think we talked to him. One of the things we appreciate about Jerry is he's our guy.
And he said that he had said no to all the podcast requests that he had in the past to talk about fantasy football. And this morning he was on Good Morning Football talking about fantasy football.
Look. The squad.
Now, he was adamant that that doesn't count as cheating. And I agree with him.
Yeah, he just did butt stuff. I agree with him.
Mouth stuff. In the same way that if his wife, Rebecca, came on our show without Jerry and talked to us for a long time, just shot the bull, whatever, had a cool hang, that wouldn't be her cheating cheating on jerry no that would just be us becoming really good friends with rebecca romaine i saw this um it hurt me i'll be honest it hurt me a little i'm okay with it i'm okay with it because i love jerry and i know jerry it's it's it more i don't blame jerry what if it keeps happening then we're gonna have no you know what jerry can do whatever he wants.
I'm not going to put a restriction on Jerry. It's more that the good morning football is just trying to rip us off.
That's more what it is. But Jerry can be Jerry.
I love Jerry. I'll never be mad at Jerry.
I can never be mad at Jerry. And I actually wouldn't have even thought of it if he didn't, you know, it was kind of foreshadowing.
The fact that he was so proud of turning everyone down, we should have been like, huh, that's weird. I didn't even think about it.
Like, of course you can do whatever show you want. You're a grown man.
But he, like, bragged about it, and we were like, oh, this is great. He loves us the most.
And then he went and did that. If he never brought that up to us, then I'd be like, yeah, Jerry.
Yeah, of course. football all the time whoever you want he basically was like i'll never cheat on you yeah now he's gonna start suspecting us at cheating that's what he's gonna he's gonna go on there and be like i went on good morning football and had the best sex of my life yeah um i'm fine with it for jerry's sake because he is a star and i love him i just wish that You know, I wish we need to get uh let's see I don't know River Phoenix he's dead um Corey Feldman I think we just get Rebecca Feldman still alive we get Rebecca let's say some other some other actor from Stand By Me and just have them be our fantasy expert Kiefer Sutherland Kiefer Sutherland we get Kiefer Sutherland he's got.
Yeah. Is Corey Feldman still alive? I think so, yeah.
He's in a band. The other Corey passed away.
That's right. Yeah, Corey Feldman's in a band.
They sound like Limp Bizkit. Okay, so maybe Corey Feldman's going to be our new fantasy expert.
Yeah, I have no problem, though. Jerry can do whatever he wants.
Yeah. I love Jerry.
Okay, it's time. Let's reveal.
Good luck, Hank. So, memes, you're going to tell us the percentages,

and then you will tell us the teams.

And the stakes are if I lose, I have to run a marathon.

If Hank loses, Hank has to get a nine darter.

Nine darter.

And this is it.

This is final.

This is the Mount Rushmore season.

This is PFT.

Bring it on.

You think you did it?

Yeah.

You think you won?

I think I did, too. Okay.
think you won? I think I did too.

Okay.

Are you ready?

Are you ready?

Yes.

Yes.

All right.

Percentages.

The percentage.

25%.

Oh.

To 75%.

Congrats, PFT.

Henry.

You are the loser.

Oh.

Yeah.

Hank, he's taking off his headphones.

I thought it was going to be closer than that.

I did too.

Where do we think it went wrong?

Green jacket hurt.

Cash Money was a great pick. Great first-round pick.

Kelly Green jersey.

I just didn't have a lot of picks. I really had nothing.
I was out. Shrek.
But like, I don't even know what else. I had like really.
Ninja Turtles. Yeah, Ninja Turtles would have been good.
What's going through your head right now? 180. Listen, I'm going to be there at that stream.
Not the whole time, but there will be times I'll be there, and I'm going to be pumping you up and rooting for you. The fun part is going to be we can get some dart players to come in and show Hank how to throw darts.
Yeah. What if we got Michael Van Gerwen? What if we got someone on the show? That would be awesome.
Oh, we should try and get, like we did, we got Pete Weber. Yeah.
To do a celebrity. He gets a celebrity dart.
Oh, if you can get one. Yes.
Celebrity dart. Can't be the last dart.
No. But you can get a celebrity dart for sure.
We did do that with Pete Weber. Yeah.
You're going to do this. I don't think it's going to take that long.
I think you might do it right away. I didn't know there were so many different combinations.
I don't think I've ever gotten two triple 20s in one out of three. But you don't have to do that.
But it's going to be closer. Yeah, you're going to be closer.
And there's the other combinations you can go for. Listen, I'm ready.
I'm ready to face a challenge. Congrats, PFT.
Thank you. Do you think it's a little bit just because you were the grumpiest for Mount Rushmore season? This is not me asking.
This is the AWF. Yeah, I mean, I had a bad Mount Rushmore season.
I think it would have been a miracle if I hadn't lost. So I was happy I made it to a duel.
To a re-duel. Even getting to a re-duel was kind of a crazy run.
Yeah, we stayed alive. We fought until the very, very end did any flags you want to throw no i didn't even bitch i don't understand i i i wanted to end it last night i said pft just do it and pft refused and no i have to do a duel i i wasn't like i wouldn't have been able to look myself in the mirror yeah pft had a guilty conscience it was me it was me it was not hank hank did not cry and ask for a redule in fact hank was yelling at me because i was trying to offer the redule and he just wanted me to stop talking hank was willing to accept the results people listen to that and still were like yeah i was crying all the time yeah it is but they're just jealous of the summer of hank which is over and i'm taking the brunt of the blame yeah that's fine i i also i'm not gonna say if right off the right off the bat but we there there might be a situation where hank may need to earn some mulligans what do you mean in the nine darter oh yeah i would agree but like let's like we have to say that now like 10 yeah yeah no that's a good that's a good point i think there should be like well there should be hours there should be some hour benchmarks where 10 hours in, he gets a mulligan.
Yes. 12 hours in, he gets two mulligans.
14 hours in. I agree with that.
That's a good thing. Because I think 24 hours should be the cap, and we should get you there.
It'll be fun. I'm not trying to have you there.
No, no. No, I'm not having you there for five weeks.
No, this is the thing. This is where it's like you guys pick punishments.
I'm going to do it. I don't want to get bailed out.
I don't want to be like, oh. Because I'm not asking you for this.
You're saying this, and then you go, oh. Okay, all right, all right.
We're trying to think of what we'd make for an entertaining stream. And maybe like Hank doing a dizzy bat, and then if he hits the board on his first throw, then he earns that mulligan after a couple hours.
There was also mulligans in the free throw stream. That was a great stream.
Yeah. I think it's going to be.
Mulligans aren't bad. Yeah.
It makes you excited. It does.
But the free throw stream couldn't have ended. Yeah.
Like, we couldn't have ended the free throw stream. After 24 hours.
We weren't going to just end that stream.

Yeah, true.

No, yeah, so the 24 hours thing I'm wrong about,

but you should get some mulligans baked in.

That I think is fair.

Yeah.

I see what you're saying.

Like we're not going to do like a –

he's saying there shouldn't be a cap on the hours because –

Yeah, no.

You're right.

You're right about that.

I agree with that.

Yeah.

But mulligans may need – Mulligans could happen. Yeah.
We'll figure it out. Okay.
If I got the number, will you switch? Wow. If you get the number.
I think it should be if anyone gets the number, they have to switch. If you get the number, Hank, we'll switch, and I'll do the nine-daughter.

No, I think it should be if anyone gets the number, they have to do it with Hank.

If I get the number...

I'm not going to get it, so I'm in.

If I get it, I'll also do my punishment.

Okay.

If I get the number, I'll do the nine-daughter with you.

All right.

Yeah.

56.

8.

3.

18. 20.
What. 3.
18.

20.

What's Pug going to do?

No, 40, 40, 40, 40.

Oh, fuck.

Fuck.

Can't do that, Henry.

97, Pug.

40, 40, 40, 40.

21.

Oh, God, 40. 21.
Oh, God. No.

10.

I saw that one.

I said 10 last show because of Ben.

Oh, that's right.

You're right on it, Max.