Khalil Mack, Head Strength Coach Ben Herbert, Mt Rushmore Of Movie Quotes + Same Faces New Places In The NFL

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He made us hard. He's the famous...
We played the clip when he was introduced. His goal is to make the Chargers harder to break.
So awesome interview with both them. We're going to do new faces, new places.
Same faces, new places. I always mix that up.
Guys who are on different teams this year in the NFL. We're resetting for the start of the season.
Yes, we're going to get ourselves set for that. We're going to talk a little trades and injuries, unfortunately.
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Today is Friday, August 16th. And PFT, we've got injuries.
It sucks. We've got injuries injuries this is the worst time of training camp jj mccarthy is out for the season jordan addison may be out for a while it's tough it's really tough i i'm i'm upset for the vikings fans out there you you had a lot to look forward to especially after week one of the preseason everything looked great um guess the good news is that Sam Darnold no longer has mononucleosis.
Yeah, seven-year bump. I posed this question.
I got ratioed to hell. I posed this question when J.J.
McCarthy was announced out for the year. Am I crazy for thinking Sam Darnold might have a good year? Now, I posed the question before Jordan Addison got hurt, but my whole thinking was he's going to have the best receivers he's ever had, seventh-year bump, no mono, Kevin O'Connell, good coach, played quarterback.
Kevin O'Connell got good stuff out of Josh Dobbs last year. Yeah, I mean, Sam Darnold.
He friendly coach. Sam Darnold.
Just remember, like Sam Darnold did. He did play the quarterback position with the greatest handicap of all time.
And that's Adam Gase. Adam Gase.
Yeah. So, yes, he had to get the stink of the Jets off him.
He's been around smart football guys for the last year. Yeah, he went to San Francisco.
Went to San Francisco, did some rehab there. his grandfather's name is uh dick hammer yep so that you got that going for you that's the ultimate thor for all the vikings fans out there yeah this this might be crazy to me i this might be the dumbest thing i've thought but i i kind of feel like and i don't want the vikings to be good but i i kind of feel like sam darnold might surprise some people this year and i think his head is going to look normal size in that helmet.
Yes. In the purple.
It's going to look good. Yeah.
It could be worse. I think they're doing the right thing.
Oh, it definitely could be worse. You want to do the, yeah, you could have absolutely no plan at backup quarterback, which at times it looked like you had no plan at backup last year.
Yes. I think he's probably.
Remember Josh Dobbs? Yeah, Josh Dobbs was good for like a couple weeks. Whenever changed the team he was good for that first couple weeks yeah just bring him in just bring him in for one week yeah he'll probably be on on same face as new places who Josh Dobbs yeah is he in the league I think he's in the league yeah I think he's on a roster we're gonna do that in a second he's got to be on a roster but yeah it could be worse it's the right call I think to do the long-term quarterback.
Yeah, no, it's absolutely the right call. You don't want to rush him back from this at all.
They're not in win-now mode. It makes no sense to rush him back.
A team that I guess is in win-now mode is the Atlanta Falcons, who traded for Matthew Judon. They're all in.
They're all in. Hank is not here right now.
He's going to be here for the Mount Rushmore. He is, though.
We the show Obviously on Thursday We taped the Mount Rushmore on Wednesday Hank is If you're listening to this It's already happened He's led the New England Patriots Out on the field Via lighting The lighthouse Via ringing a bell He rang a bell It's like a rube goldberg machine yeah you you ring the bell and

then the bell lights the light or maybe the light's already lit yeah he's ringing the bell to symbolize to commemorate the lighting of the light in the lighthouse and then the team's going to run out onto the field and hank's going to have a little shit eating grin on his face i'm happy for him he loves that fucking lighthouse it's going to be great um but the last so the last time we talked to Hank, he said that Matthew Judon was having, was it friendly and what were the two words? Maybe like friendly and good? Friendly, good, normal conversations. Conversations with head coach Mayo.
It turns out, and he also took a side swipe at memes and was like, Patriots are classy organization. We'll figure this out.
The Jets won't. And then maybe like two hours later, Matthew Judon got traded.
Yeah. Do we know what they got in return for him? A third round pick.
Third round pick. Which.
Fleeced. Well, I mean, Matthew Judon is a very good player.
He's also 32, and he needs a new contract. Yeah.
So that would be the part where it's, you know, the third round pick. Because it always happens whenever a player that you know gets traded and you're like that's it third round pick it's like oh well yeah he needs a brand new contract he's gonna get paid he's gonna get paid you're right although the Falcons I heard like there isn't a plan to give him a new contract to extend him right away they they actually did the opposite of the Jets the Falcons might be the classiest organization of the three they did not trade for him with any pretenses of a new contract so he's going to go there but he what if he just wants a new contract i'm sure he does want a new contract that's why he wanted to trade so but he'd rather play out his contract with a team that's not going to give him a new contract and is up front about it than with the patriots yeah it wasn't want to on be on the patriots yeah so it's weird also it's it goes against everything i've ever known about the atlanta falcons which is they've been committed for as long as i can remember to not having any players that i can name on their defense yeah and now they've got a couple really good players on their defense yeah and uh i don't know the falcons i maybe i was a year ahead on the falcons maybe this is the year that thecons tie it all together.
I think it's just going to be a lot of teams in the NFC South that are going to be 9-8, 10-7, and then the Panthers. Yeah, probably.
It's going to go exactly like last year, where it's going to be the three-way between the Falcons, the Saints, and the Bucs. And it's like whoever just ends up winning a couple of these head-to-heads will go to the playoffs.
I'm going to look at these odds real quick, see what the odds are for the Falcons to win that division because I like them this year. They're probably not that high just because there's no dominant team.
Yeah. I have already said that the Saints might not be as bad as people think.
But, Memes, I did want to ask you real quick because you got the side swipe how are you feeling today knowing that you're at least partially vindicated even though Hassan Redick is still holding out and the Jets are still not figuring this situation out Hank being immediately wrong was delicious delicious oh good word good word does it take some of the sting out of your J I take some of the sting out I still want them to resolve it quickly then it's a massive W for me yeah then if they if they get Hassan Redick signed within the next like 48 hours then you you get a huge dub but if it takes if it goes into the season it's or if he doesn't play and you trade him for something less than what you traded him for,

then you're back to a loss.

Yeah, that's a major loss.

Because Hank was technically right.

They did figure it out.

Yeah, they did figure out Matthew Judon pretty quickly.

It was productive and good.

Normal?

Good?

Yeah.

I think it was good and happy or something.

Good and happy conversations.

It was friendly and something.

Now, Memes, what if you traded Hassan Redick to the Patriots? Ah, that'd be so bad. But what if Hassan Reddick then, Memes, what if you traded him to the Patriots, then Hassan Reddick said, I'm not going to play for the Patriots.
Then that'd be a massive W. Okay, but then what if the Eagles traded the Patriots to get Hassan Reddick back and they got more than what what you paid for? That'd be a loss.
But the Eagles season's already over because apparently Jalen Hurts is throwing too many touchdown passes and not enough interceptions in training camp. Is that right, Max? Oh, yeah.
Nick Wright is my Florio. Oh, nice.
A new Florio has presented himself. is that what he's he's too good because I know they always say you learn more from mistakes than you do from success so he's he's not throwing enough interceptions to learn anything uh yes they said that that's such a good take he's completing like 80 percent of his passes number one he just kept saying he's like I know this is gonna get aggregated I know this is gonna get so he's doing it you're aggregating that's not what i know it sounds like but yeah that's that's he's he's doing it to get clicks and he's admitting that he's doing it to get clicks because he knows that he sounds yeah you should never but he sounds ridiculous he sounds ridiculous saying that he's not throwing enough he's not watching any of the camp how do you know that nick right he Wright, he's a smart guy.
He watches the tape. There is no tape.
What do you mean there's no tape? You don't think he's got tape? How many times have we gone to camp? There's tape being filmed. But that's for the team.
But maybe he has access to it. He doesn't have access to that.
Nick Wright has all 22 access that nobody else has. He's just saying that he's not taking enough risks.
How the fuck is he supposed to know that? It is a great take. He's like, I'm not taking enough risks.
You got to throw some picks in training camp. It's such a good take.
I'm pretty sure I had this exact same take, ironically, about Nick Foles when he threw two interceptions. I was like, this season actually sucks.
Yeah, you got to. I mean, you got to.
I do. You do want guys taking want guys taking risks like rogers at the end of his career with the packers there was the argument that he he was obsessed with not throwing interceptions that he would not take some risks but even then you're watching it like if he was watching every play but you don't know that he wasn't watching he's there's no way he's watching what about a pick on third down? If you throw it deep down the field, same as a punt.

That's a good pick.

Sure.

Okay.

Let's talk about the positive.

Word out of the Eagles camp is Big Dom is just running the whole show now.

Rocks.

He's the best.

He's the coach of the team.

Yeah.

No, no.

We had a problem last year of someone being the guy that everyone can look up to.

We got that guy.

It's Big Dom. So, Max, I love Big Dom.
Don't get me wrong. Love the guy.
I don't like the way this is going. I'm just curious.
I don't either. Be careful.
Well, I'm asking a question. Okay, but be careful how you ask it.
This is what we do to learn. Be careful how you ask it.
It's called the Socratic method. Okay.
Just be careful. Now you're saying things that I don't know.
Is it a good thing? Don't confuse. It's all Greek to Max.
Max, is it a good thing? Greeks are just Italians who don't pay taxes. Max, fact.
Is it a good thing? Would it be a good thing for your head of security to be coaching your football team? Yeah, I think so. If the head of security is Big Don.
Okay. All right.
That's all I want to know. That's all I want to know.
Did you guys see, by the way, when Fantasy Fuck Boys comes back, we had the lineup for the Staten Island Little League World Series team that's in Williamsport. I'll just give you a couple of the names.
It's great. Okay.
It's just Fantasy Fuck Boys Central. Batting first is Vin Ruggerio.
Yeah. How do you say that? Ruguggiero.
Ruggiero. Second is Steven Grippo.
Peter Giacchio. Stevie Grips.
Is the catcher. We also have on the team Dean Scaringello.
Okay. Joe Arachi.
Dylan DeGotta. And Dylan the Cat.
Jason Rocchio. I can't speak Italian.
Max, give me some Italian help here. R-O-C-C-H-I-O.
Rocchio? Rocchio? Yeah, D-Roch. Jason Rocchio.
J-Roch. No, you're saying it wrong.
Dylan DeGotta is my favorite. Yeah, I like that.
That's a good one. It's a good name.
But yeah, there's a lot of vowels. Just be careful.
I'm big fat. The Little League World Series and saying fuck boys.
Just saying. Your brain went there.
Not anyone else's. That's fucked up.
Your brain is there. The Little League World Series.
People don't talk about that enough. I think we talk about it.
Max, you were in it. Some AWL found the game that I played in and put the whole thing on YouTube.
Love that. You know what I love about the Little League World Series? I love the fact that it's for the kids, and they get the best umpires, and they do it the right way at Williamsport.
Yeah. I don't see that a lot.
Agreed. And it's something that's pure and wholesome, we can all get behind.
If you're someone who just spends all day online yelling about the kids and the umpires, maybe get a life. Yeah.
Get a life. Although the one thing I never like about it, though, is the one coach that knows that he's doing something to go viral.
Yeah. He knows that he's Mike.
Yeah. They lose and then he brings them all and he's like, listen, look around.
You guys are going to love it. You guys are going to think back to this moment for the rest of your lives.
Like, no, they lost. They're out.

No, I actually love that Rico just gets so fired up about Little League World Series.

And the umpires, yeah.

And the system.

And the system.

But, yeah, that was good.

Before we do this game, what else do we have?

Anything else?

We're talking about quarterbacks being too good in practice.

Jaden Daniels threw five touchdowns in a row.

That's pretty good, but maybe too good.

It might be too good, yeah. It might be too good.
he needs to learn how to throw better end zone interceptions yeah um we had oh there was one other thing oh jamis mic'd up was incredible jamis mic'd up is really good i just love him the entire thing just say him going up to his teammates and being like i'm in your establishment now yeah that was great uh the u.s men's national team we got our guy yeah uh pocatino yep his name is pocatino he's argentinian he coached for chelsea coach for tottenham i think he got them to like the champions league final or some shit like that really he's won a lot uh he's won yeah he's won some where i think he came in like second place in the epl uh he did win a he did win the french league with. The Farmers League.
When he had. He beat a bunch of Uber Eats delivery guys.
With Neymar and Mbappe and Messi. Yeah.
Okay, so he has one. I assume that since he was Pulisic's coach when he was at Chelsea, I'm assuming that they asked Pulisic what he thought about the coach, and then Pulisic said he's a good guy.
Then they brought him in. Which might not be the best thing because we've got to make our guys tougher.
Well, apparently— Beat up all the time. I read up a little bit about this guy, and he coaches using the theory of energia universal, which means universal energy.
Max, did you get that? Universal energy, which is basically he coaches on vibes vibes he thinks that every player either has good vibes or bad vibes hank would not last on this team he would not and he just he he has like this theory that it's all connected it's all one song i like that so it's a very it's a very different coach than what we had in the past people were telling me last night that we're gonna score goals and we're gonna give up, and that's all I care about. If I can bet the over while watching the U.S.
men's national team and win, I don't give a fuck what ends up happening. We could lose every game if there's five goals.
He plays, I think his formation is some, like, 4, 2, 3, 3, I don't know. That probably doesn't add up to 12 or to 11, but I know that he plays a very aggressive style.
So let me ask you this question, PFT. Yeah.
As our foremost soccer, international soccer guy, would you say this was a home run higher? In soccer terms? I feel like people were very upset or very excited. Like, we got him.
This is incredible. We never thought we'd get a guy like this.
In soccer terms, it's a grand slam. Okay, it's a grand slam.
It's a touchdown. So, I just want it on the record.
If this is a grand slam touchdown of a hire, and we don't get good at soccer, could you make the argument our players are not good at soccer? Yes. Okay.
Now I'm excited. That's what I've been saying this entire time.
Now I'm excited. This entire time, and there have been times in the past when we've had shitty players.

I will give you that 100%.

There have been times when we've had decent players.

Now we have what should be the best players we've ever had.

Which is not a huge...

That doesn't mean they're good.

They're good.

Relatively speaking, I'm saying in the world, they're still not good.

Well, they play on the best teams in the world. Meaningful minutes? Many of them.
That's what I'm trying to tell you. Not a lot of them.
There's like four or five guys that play significant minutes on really good teams. There's a lot of guys that are on good teams that don't play at all.
And then there's a couple other guys that are still up and coming. But what I'm saying is, yes, in've been 100 right u.s soccer has never been i'm anywhere close to the top talent in the world now i wouldn't say that they're in the top five talent in the world i'd probably say top 10 okay i'm just excited for the test i'm excited for the test and now that that shithead greg is out of the picture and he's not too busy getting in pissing matches with his players dads to put forth a good lineup i think i think it's safe to say that this will be a big disappointment if we don't i i think disappointment would be losing in the knockout round i think that we need to win at least one knockout round game i think we should get to the quarterfinals so i'm just excited for the the test now because we'll find out.
If this is a home run Grand Slam hire, we can't blame the home run Grand Slam hire. We can't blame it on the coach.
Correct. Yeah, he's going off five.
I'm excited for it. Universal energy.
I hope we're good. I want us to be good.
It would be awesome if we're good. I mean, the World Cup would be so exciting.
But if we're bad, I'm going to be like, yeah, we're never going to be good and i think that would be that would be valid at that point okay if we're bad then it's like and we're bad then it's like why isn't jalen brown on this team yeah this is this is exciting because i've always wanted to just get to the bottom of it like should we actually invest money and time and resources as sports fans or are we just going to be bad i will find out if we're good then it's gonna be like fuck yes let's go win a let's go win a World Cup. I'm also interested to see what this guy does.
Because when you're the U.S. soccer coach, you're in charge of a lot of shit, not just coaching the team on the field.
You have responsibility in developing the youth program. And in the past, he's worked with the government of different cities and parts of different countries to get them to buy into his youth development program program so i don't know if this guy's going to go across the united states and be like hey we need to work on our youth development i'm going to meet with the mayor of like chicago i don't know if i'm going to meet with the governor of texas or whatever but i'm curious to see because i think he's going to be coaching for the most part stationed overseas in europe okay which is fine listen we've tried it the other way before yeah we just it hasn't worked when he's when he's here he just needs to be here he needs to get all of them so is he keeping another job or is this his job now i think this is his job oh love that i don't think he's like a step coach good for him yeah so pocatino smart move the bar is low a european guy from Argentina.
Hmm. That's interesting.

Yeah.

How'd he get down there?

Don't know.

Okay.

Operation paper.

Let's, anything else?

Are the Phillies dead, Max?

They won last night.

Okay.

So they're back.

I just know they've been struggling.

They were struggling, and then Schwarber had a grand slam to save the season.

The NBA schedule came out.

I saw that. Yeah, it opens up with Knicks and Celtics.
It's talking basketball. That's about it.
What offseason? No offseason for us. Sixers play the Celtics on Christmas Day.
Oh, that's such a gift. That was the number one thing that I saw.
I saw the Bulls have two nationally televised games total. I think one of them against the hornets on a friday night at like 10 p.m that's sick is that is that the nba cup though uh might be i don't know no that's in uh mid-november mid-november yeah so um oh and then also uh if there's any notre dame swimmers listening to this right now we'll hire you yeah uh they started a legal gambling ring i read about that what's what's the problem here i don't know but i just know that like us having barstool having uh its own swimming team that we just challenge other people like when we get in beefs online just like you know what let's let's let's finish this in the pool your fastest and we just have like a harlem globetrot-esque team.
We just bring them out there. Against guys that can't really swim.
Yeah. The Washington Generals of swimming.
Let's finish this like men. Let's finish it in the pool.
There would be a lot of deaths if that was an actual format. But I read about it.
They had like an internal pool, for lack of a better term. Like an internal gambling ring.
Okay, I'm confused. Where they would bet on and bet like amongst themselves who's going to finish better and that's just fun that's just dudes yeah what's the problem that's great if you do that that means there's a lot of teams that would have that issue yeah because that's it's classic notre dame though to be like we uncovered it just wanted once raise our hand and say we found a dicey gambling operation amongst our swimming team, so we're going to shut it down.
Yeah. Thank us later.
Get in front of this. This is Notre Dame.
Get in front of this. All right.
Let's get ourselves ready for some football. Before we do this, we're going to give a couple picks.
So with DraftKings, you can bet on all the preseason stuff now. We we're thinking about prop picks so we're gonna throw a couple out there we which one are you gonna pick i'm gonna do uh rushing touchdowns okay and max which one are you gonna do i'm gonna do passing touchdowns i had receiver okay so max you want to start who's your who's your most receiving yards i'm trying to get on draft kings i'm trying to get the odds all right'll start.
Yeah. I'm going to go passing touchdowns.
I know that some people might say, oh, sophomore slump. CJ Stroud plus 950.
I like it. I mean, Stefan Diggs, Nico Hollins, Tank Dell.
That offense is going to be explosive. I actually saw a picture of someone.
It was like a meme, and it was C.J. Stroud with those three guys standing on the sidelines, like who's going to stop them.
And I didn't, but I wanted to just circle Stephon Diggs and be like, that's who. He's the guy.
When he doesn't get the ball, that's exactly who. Yeah, you're going to have to keep him happy.
Yeah, he's plus 950. Mahomes and Dak Prescott are the two favorites.

So a little value, plus 950.

I think CJ Stroud's going to fucking rock this year.

I like that.

Yeah.

That's a good pick, good value.

Okay, what do you have?

So for mine, I'm going to go with rushing touchdown leader Brees Hall.

Ooh.

Brees Hall.

I just lost the odds. I think it's plus 1,800, plus 1,900.
Whoa. Something like that.
And my reasoning behind it is Aaron Rodgers should play more than five snaps this year. Right, Memes? Should.
Or else Memes is strapping a what to himself? Yeah. What are you going to do, Memes? Yeah, I'm going to blow myself up.
Where? NFLfl headquarters oh patrick beverly not expected to sign with the nfl but i like brie saw because uh the first year with nathaniel hackett uh that aaron jones had in green bay i think he had 16 rushing touchdowns nice and i feel like nathaniel hackett's gonna get him the ball inside the five do they have have a touchdown vulture? Yeah, Braylon Allen is on the Jets. He's 19 years old, and he's actually exactly who they'll use as the goal.
He actually looked really good. Fuck, he looked really good.
I don't care. I like Brie Saul.
Brie Saul's a good player, and Izzy's not knocking on the door this year. Jalen Hurts at 15-1 isn't crazy.
Now Saquon will dip into that. Big cat, he is.
Saquon, and also he throws too many touchdowns now. It's true.
He won't be rushing. That's a good point.
And the tush push. Who knows what's going to happen with no Kelsey.
That's very true. What do you have, Max? It's funny that PFT went Briece Hall because I'm going Garrett Wilson at 14-1.
All right. We're high on the Jets.
Yeah. Garrett Wilson has had a really good – he hasn't been a big touchdown guy, but he's never really had a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers.
I think that's good value. He could blow up this year.
Okay. I'll change mine to Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah. Aaron Rodgers.
Let's go Jets. Aaron Rodgers, 16-1.
That's actually not a bad pick, Big Cat. I kind of like that pick.
He's going to feast against the Patriots. Yeah.
And they're going to do the perfect amount of handing the ball off in the goal line and throwing it. Jets might score a billion touchdowns.
Has that ever happened where three different guys on the same team have led the league in touchdowns at their positions? Well, Memes gets mad that we think that the Jets suck, so now he's going gonna get mad that we think that they're good yeah he's he's like we're jinxing you memes are we being florios right now memes i don't know what this bit is it's actually not a bit uh aaron rogers has led the league in touchdowns twice in his career so he can do it he's proven he can do it memes we can't we can't exist with you, Memes. When we hate the Jets, it's like, oh, you guys suck.
When we love the Jets, you're like, this sucks. All right, so we're all in on the Jets.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, what's the shoot ball? No one ever went broke betting on the Jets. Yeah.
All right, ready, Huey? Give us some. So we don't listen.
This is the trust tree.

We're doing this because we want to be ready for football season.

We hope that people will not judge us for a lack of knowledge.

It's still the preseason.

If we were doing this week two, you could make fun of us because we're doing this right now.

You can't.

We're just doing this together.

Everyone's going to learn something.

Okay.

Here we go, Huey. All right.
Receiver. Yes.
Gabe Davis. Oh, I know this one.
Jags. Boom.
Oh, I did not know that one. I did know that one.
Well, his previous team. Because the Jags have, like, all the – the Jags have basically built an entire receiving core out of, like, the upside guys that will also have, like, zero catch games.
Should we do a little game, see if we know? What do you mean? Like, you just guessed. Like, you knew that one.
Yeah. All right.
So Big Cat gets. So Big Cat.
Well, we don't have to, like, score. No, it's a team game.
Let's see. Yeah, it's a team game.
Let's try to get more than 75% as a team. We're one for one.
Okay. What were you going to say? His former former team uh well his former team has collected this quarterback has collected a quarterback oh i mean oh uh ben denucci it was mitch it's mitch and ben denucci yeah well i don't know if he knows ben denucci but mitch is back on the bill the cowboys guy gucci denucci that's an that's a that's a layup for me i know where where Mitch is at all times.
We're actually three for two right now.

Bobby Wagner.

He's a commander.

Yes, he is.

There we go.

Had a great season last year, too.

Sterling Shepard.

Oh, Sterling Shepard.

Oh, boy.

Sterling Shepard was on.

The Giants.

And now he is on, I want to say Raiders, but that might be because of the Darren Waller. Oh, it's close.
Trade from the Raiders. Oh, the Giants.
Maybe the Chargers? The Chargers needed a wider zone. No.
It was close in the mascot, not in distance. Oh, Buccaneers.
Yeah. Okay.
That doesn't count as getting one. Isn't it funny, though, that I was like, oh, Sterling Shepard, he's a Giant.
Now he must be a Raider because Darren Waller was a Raider and then he was a giant. Yep.
Nothing to do with each other. They just like trading with each other.
Quarterback Tyler Huntley. Ooh, Huntley.
Where's he at? He's not in Baltimore anymore, huh? Nope. Oh, fuck.
That's a shame. This is a good one.
Green Bay Packer. No.
Hold on. It's a fun one.
It's a fun one. It's a fun one.
Texans. No.
No, that's Davis Mills. My guy.
Oh, I knew that. Tyler Huntley is on the Seahawks.
No. Damn.
All right, give it to us. The Browns.
Oh. Wait, that's fun? With Jameis.
It's fun. Okay.
Okay. How the hell is Joe Flacco not on a team? He is.
What team is he?

Colts.

Oh, I knew that.

There goes that one.

Okay, so we got that one too.

Love it.

So what are we?

Now we're six for five?

Yeah.

All right.

We missed Sterling Shepard.

Okay.

Quarterback Josh Dobbs.

Okay, so we talked about this.

Josh Dobbs is on.

Did he stay?

No, he couldn't have stayed with the Cardinals, right?

Well, he went from the Cardinals to the Vikings.

Is he a stealer?

No, no, no.

You're thinking of where he started.

Panther?

Titans.

No.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I don't know this, but I'm just going to say hold on until I just say a name.

What team could you envision Josh Dobbs starting one game for this year? This one I'm saying Seahawks. No.
Damn. Close.
49ers. Okay.
Oh, he's going to be so good when he backs. Memes, put it in the calendar.
Bet on Josh Dobbs when he plays because Brock Purdy gets a concussion. Not that I'm rooting for Brock Purdy getting a concussion, but it will happen, and then we'll bet on Josh Topps.
All right, six for six. Okay.
Odell Beckham. Odell Beckham is a dolphin.
Yeah. Yeah.
What about Michael Gallup? Oh. Oh.
Michael Gallup is very underrated. Yeah.
Is Michael Gallup a Titan? No. Is Michael Gallup a Colt? No.
That'd be funny.

Is Michael Gallup a Jaguar?

No.

Bronco?

No.

Seahawk?

Seahawk.

No.

Is Michael Gallup a Ram?

Close.

Charger?

No.

Is Michael close?

Cardinal?

Nope.

Raider?

Yep.

Oh, okay.

Retired.

Hell yeah.

This is some good podcast. He's retired.
Wait, he's retired? Okay. He signed with the Raiders.
And then retired. Nice.
Got it. All right.
I bet you, though, most people listening are going through the same thing we are. Yeah.
It's like you need a reset before football season starts. You do.
You don't want to get caught week one and be like, oh, shit, he's on that team? Yeah. You can't say that out loud week one.
You have to know your shit. Yeah, there's a couple guys you should know and you do know.
But, yeah, you can't get all of these. Okay.
Tight end Hayden Hurst. Hayden Hurst.
Where did he go? He was on the Patriots. No, you're thinking of the Falcons.
I'm thinking of what's his name name? Hunter Henry. Hunter Henry, yeah.
That makes sense. Oh, I was thinking of that guy, too.
Oh. Is this Hunter Henry? No, it is Aiden Hurst.
But in my head, I was thinking the double H. I was thinking, oh, this guy.
Is he a Raven? Yeah. No.
No, because remember they have likely was incredible. Is he a Bengal? And then Mark Andrews, who got into a car accident, and thankfully he's okay, but then he used the car accident to remind people of the importance of being aware when you're driving a car.
Right. Mean says he knows it, which makes you think he's a jet.
No, I said you guys should know this because we saw him. Oh, Charger.
Yep. Okay.
Bingo. That was cheating, though.
Yeah. Sorry.
That's okay.

Tyler Boyd.

Seahawk.

I knew he was off the Bengals.

Jag?

Nope.

He seems like a Jag.

He seems like a Titan.

There we go. Yes.

All right.

There we go.

We have our trusty go-to is Seahawks Titans. Jags.
Jerry Judy. He's a Brown.
Yeah, we knew that. That was easy.
Jacoby Brissett? Jacoby Brissett's a Patriot. Yep, he's back.
He starred tonight, I think. Hank's leading him onto the field.
Yeah. Hank knows him personally.

You're the one who made this list, Huey. Yeah.

Alexander Madison.

Ooh.

Now, this is one of those ones where I'm going to say the Packers

because the Vikings got Aaron Jones.

No.

Okay.

Close.

Oh, close. Didn't make sense, but it made sense in my head.
Is he not close? No. Oh, okay.
Is he a Texan? No. He's a Titan? No.
He's a Jaguar. Tell us who he is.
Raider. Oh, okay.
That makes sense. I like that.
I like that fit.

Sure, yeah.

That's it.

I was close to the fact that Josh Jacobs went to the Packers

and Aaron Jones went to the Vikings,

so obviously Alexander Madison would have to go to the Raiders

to complete the triangle.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

They're slingers.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

They shuffled the deck.

The classic Packers-Viking- way trade Everyone knows that Classic Alright how many more you got? Max are you playing tech deck? Yeah he's been doing it non-stop I'm sorry I'm sorry I did it the other night with Shrager on and I was like dude I can hear you doing it Is there a better time to play with a tech deck than during a podcast? That's not me-zoned. Yeah, fuck you, memes.
He wasn't even... Good call, Max.
Do tech deck cam for the people who are watching. Do tech deck cam real quick and do a trick.
Give me an Ollie. Come on.
He dropped a tech deck. Oh, no.
You control your board, bro. How many guys does it take to find a tech tech?

The Falcons also signed Simmons

Oh

Justin Simmons

They're beefing up

I didn't realize also Jim Leonard is coach for the Broncos

That's cool

Yeah, that is cool, right?

Alright, how many more you got, Huey?

I have five defensive players

Oh, this is going to be tricky

And Belichick's coaching for the University of Washington this year

Thank you. That's cool.
Yeah. That is cool, right? All right.
How many more you got, Huey? I have five defensive players. Oh, this is going to be tricky.
And Belichick's coaching for the University of Washington this year. With Pete Carroll.
Yep. Start with the easiest.
Okay. Devin White.
I know this one. Devin White.
He's an eagle? Yeah. How could I have ever figured that out? Safety, Xavier McKinney.
Seahawk. No.
He was a giant. Titan.
No. Give it Jaguar.
Packer. Oh, okay.
The next three are all from the 49ers. They left the 49ers.
They left the 49ers. Brandon Ayuk.
Randy Gregory. Eric Armstead.
Chase Young. Chase Young's a saint.
Yep. Yep.
Not literally, but. Seems like a decent guy.
He's okay. He went to Ohio State.
Yeah. True.
Might have some free tattoos. Randy Gregory.
Back on the Cowboys. No.
Randy Gregory. Big guy.
Big guy.

Yeah.

Giant.

No.

I thought that was a clue.

No.

He was a big guy.

He's a big guy.

He's a big guy.

Okay.

Give it to us.

Bucs.

Okay.

And Eric Armstead is?

Close to the Bucs.

Jaguar.

There we go.

There it is.

Got it.

All right.

Feel good.

Did we miss anyone big?

I feel like

I have Mike Williams

Tyron Smith

I have a couple names

Mike Williams

Kirk Cousins

You know Mike Williams

Eckler

Eckler I know that

Mike Williams went viral

With the team that he signed with

When he signed with them

For doing what?

Oh yeah he did the thing

What'd he do?

If I tell you it'll give it away

Just tell him

Well then tell us

And then we can feel good about getting it

Taylor ham, egg and cheese

I'm going to go'll give it away. Just tell him.
Well, then tell us, and then we can feel good about getting it. Taylor ham, egg and cheese? Oh, he's a...
Giant or jet? Jet. Jet.
Yeah, we do that. Yeah.
It's all about getting the right answer and being like, I got that myself. That's the key to trivia.
Okay, that was good. I feel like we got a bunch of them.
I'm trying to think if there's any off the top of my head that I was looking at.

Josh Jacobs.

I haven't really looked at it.

Josh Jacobs was a good one.

You need to know that he's a packer.

Yeah, that's a big one.

Yeah.

And it's also good for your fantasy drafts, too.

Yeah. Just, like, remember where some of these guys are.

Trying to think anybody else, any weird guys that we didn't cover.

I think we're good. I mean, I'll throw this one out.
Obviously, I know DeAndre Swift is a bear. Yep.
I feel like that will get people a little confused maybe. So he is a bear.
How's Jameer Gibbs? What's the prospect on his hamstring? He's going to be all right. He's going to be all right.
The hamstring, just doing things, acting up. It'll be all right.
He'll be all right. Nothing to think about.

Nothing to worry about.

Nothing to think about.

Nothing to worry about.

For us.

So stop thinking about Jameer Gibbs.

Yeah, he's going to be all right.

He's a big kid.

Good guy.

Big kid.

That's what they say about him.

You gave the speech that I give to my kids when they get a boo-boo.

I'm like, you're tough.

You're big.

You're a big kid.

You're a big boy. You're a big girl.
That's all I need. That's all I need.
Just a hamstring. Yeah.
You're fine. You want me to kiss the boo-boo? All right, you're good.
Get back out there, Jameer. That's what Dan Campbell does.
Every player that gets hurt, he kisses the injury, and then they just heal. Ready to go.
All right. Let's do our Mount Rushmore.
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Okay, Mount Rushmore time.

We don't have the updated standings, although I guess we could update them in real time. We're taping this on Wednesday because Hank, our wonderful Hank, my best friend Hank, my brother for life Hank, our special boy, has been bestowed with an incredible honor Henry would you like to tell the people where so so you'll be on Mount Rushmore because recording it early but you won't be on the rest of the show for Friday but it's probably the great greatest uh excused absence of all time yeah truly an honor uh I have been asked We kind of alluded to it earlier in mount rushmore season but i have been asked to lead the new england patriots out of the tunnel uh you're running on the field by being the keeper of the light that's the tradition in new england so i have been asked to be the keeper of the light i'm going to be ringing the bell to lead the team out onto the field against the eagles you're lighting the, yeah.
So you're running out with them on the field? No, I'm leading them out. How? By lighting the bell on the lighthouse.
Okay. Signal for them to run on the field.
Hank, you're the lighthouse expert, not me. What does ringing a bell have to do with lighting a lighthouse? Because I'm – This is semantics at this point.
You guys are just trying to get on Hank. no i'm actually very asking questions i actually i'm an opfd by the time that this has aired i do not exactly know how the system works but by the time this has aired you will have seen it so i i honestly don't have the answer for you okay i appreciate the honesty you can find out by the time i'm very excited for you they will have seen it sound really excited.
No, you are the number one New England lighthouse fan in the world, so this is a big deal. And most lighthouses, to keep the light, you ring a bell.
Every lighthouse has bells equipped on it, yeah. Because if you don't know, lighthouses were like, you know, to signal people, like the ships are coming in, ships are coming in, you have to let people know, so there's bells on lighthouses.
Oh, it's to keep ships away. Well, what about the light? The light is the thing that's to see.
Like, there's multiple uses for a lighthouse, Dan. Okay.
It's very versatile. Give me the two multiple uses.
Two. One.
Guide ships into the harbor. Two.
And to alert other ships, like, well, the Bates sisters. You know the Bates sisters.
No. I'm familiar with'm familiar with the baits the bait sisters back in the revolutionary war uh they saw the british coming and they got on the lighthouse to sing oh two if by land one if by sea or whatever it was coming in i thought that was paul revere yeah yeah i think that was paul revere no those ichabod crane headless horseman yeah well it's exciting well congratulations thank you for you.
Thank you. You can tell by our tone that we're excited.
Yeah, you guys are always excited for me, my biggest supporters, and I'd like to say thank you. No, it's great.
I mean, the Summer of Hank continues. What do you think is going to be a bigger honor? Getting to ride on the duck boat with Coach Missoula or keeping the lighthouse? It's up there.
The Missoula one was all-time, as this is top probably top five but but the missoula one is is one one are you a little worried that when you ring this bell for the lighthouse do i have that right again i don't know exactly how the system works but you i'll be able to give you much more clarity uh on sunday's episode okay so when i'm sorry that i can't when you guys are trying to squeeze out of me. When you ring the bell for the lighthouse, are you worried at all that you're ringing the bell for the ending of Summer of Hank? No.
Okay, all right. Summer's not over.
I say this every year. Summer is not over.
Don't give up on summer yet, people. It's the beginning of Hank.
It's not over. The autumn of Hank.
Hanktober. Dunktober.
Dunktober. Oh, that's what's happening? Okay.
And Dunkember. And Dunkember.
And Dunkember. Dunkember.
Dunkannuary. Dunkuary.
No, Dunkannuary. We're too lateannuary.
It'll be too late. Dunk-u-annuary-mentary.

Okay.

But summer's not over.

I hate people that give up on summer early.

I love it.

I agree with you, Hank.

Yeah.

We quit on summer way too early.

It's football season.

This is going to be huge.

We live for the summer.

You got to enjoy every last weekend you get.

Yeah.

Keep that light, Hank.

Thank you.

Are you a little bit worried that someone's going to catch you at a camera angle?

Like, was it the guy from Texas Tech that was ringing that bell where it just looked like he was jerking off into the bell i'm not worried about that that's a funny video uh but no i'm not worried about that okay all right good good good good uh all right that'd be a shame let's do the mount rushmore it is the mount rushmore of movie quotes it's going to be a good one uh right now it looks like PFT is going to win today's Mount Rushmore because he had boobs. Boobs was assistant play.
Hank, are you in last right now? Is that a rhetorical question? I'm assuming yes. Okay.
So what's the scoring? Is it four points? Yeah. So I'm going to be up by three.
It's really confusing. I'm going to be up by three on Hank.
Is it three or is it four? Because I think you get first place, you get one or you get four points. It might be five.
Wait, you get first place, you get four points. If you get last place, you get one point.
No, it's four for first place. Four, three, two, one.
I don't know. It might be four.
It's very simple. Four, three, two, one.
So I'm going to get four points, Hank. You're going to get a point.
So I will be up by three. You sure? Movie quote.
Yeah, it's true. I don't own a gun.
Let alone many guns to necessitate a gun rack. No stairway.
Okay. Ready? Ready, Hank? Who's pick is first? That's Big Cat.
Oh, is it? And who goes after me? Hank. got it got it okay movie quotes i'm gonna go uh with the timeless classic uh very easy i'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse godfather that's a great quote it's a quote i love that quote yeah you've seen that movie many times i'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse and then he puts a dead horse in his bed yeah i mean that's part of it yeah that's part of the offer well he declined the offer and the dead horse was like then pushed him don't decline the offer yeah okay negotiation he said way yeah he said no way and then he said way hank dank do you like that quote yeah it's a good quote Okay was it on your list no oh okay great my list i again like i'm the worst person at this at this game uh but i went with movies that i love i i love god no i know so but like godfather you don't love it i don't love it i've seen it a few times i haven't seen it a million times i kind of just went with the quotes off the top of my head for movies I've seen a million times.
So like you're going to do like, oh, you want to come in my ass? I don't know what that's for. I mean, what movies you love? What movie is that? You know what movie that is.
What about someone help me? I'm stuck in the window. Yeah.
Oh, where you want to put it? It's usually the dryer, but I'm going to go with-

You're pretty wet to me.

I got to go see about a girl.

Ah, nice one.

My most famous quote from the movie, Good Old Hunting.

They ended up breaking up, right?

I think it's open-ended.

No, he went to Stanford and she was fucking another guy.

Oh, I thought he left and he went to go see about her.

His car broke down, actually, because it was a shitty car.

Okay.

Yeah.

I wouldn't know anything about it. He only got two hours okay good quote thanks i'm not prepared for this one i'm what does that mean i'm not prepared there's a million movie quotes i i literally brain dumped into my head like 40 that are just sitting here this one i feel good about you guys probably won't but it was my favorite movie growing up as a kid.
Hey, I'm the garbage-kicking Philly kicker. No.
You're killing me, Smalls. Okay.
Good one. Sandlot.
Sandlot. It would have been funny if you just went all Rocky.
That also plays like there's movie quotes and there's movie quotes that people say it all the time. Yeah.
You just say that to me.

You're killing me smalls.

You're killing me smalls.

Yeah.

It's a good one.

Okay.

All right.

So I get two, right?

Yeah.

You get two.

Yeah.

And then it's Max?

Yeah, then it's Max.

Okay.

Then it's Hank.

When do I come again?

Then it's Big Cat and Big Cat gets two.

Is that a quote that you have?

I'm going to go with I'll Be Back.zenegger Terminator There's a lot of Schwarzenegger Terminator or Terminator 2 I think that was Terminator 1 I think Seems like you love that movie Is it movies or is it quotes Movie quotes I just wanted to make sure I was getting this right. It is spicy in here and I like it.
I actually don't know which movie that's from. That's a movie quote.
Pardon my take every episode. Number two, I'm going to go with I'll have what she's having.
When Harry Met Sally. Couldn't tell you.
Got it. Got it.
Got it. I knew that quote.
I just couldn't remember the movie. Undeniably one of the most iconic movie quotes of all time.
Yes. They're in the diner.
She's faking an orgasm. Then Rob Reiner's mom says, I'll have what she's having.
Classic. Classic bit.
Undeniable. Undeniable.
Can't deny that one. Did you have that one, Hank? I did not.
Okay. I am going to go show me the money.
Jerry Maguire. Good pick.
Okay. Very funny scene.
That was like one of the, I think I remember watching that movie as like a kid and like a, I think it's rated, that's a rated R movie. It was, it was one that was like, I watched it earlier than I should.
I remember watching that scene being like, that was so fucking funny. And it's a good quote.
Are we, for the graphic, we're obviously going to put the movie? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Show me the money.
Now it's a TikTok. There's a great line from that movie, too, that could have been on this list.
The human head weighs eight pounds? Yeah. There's a couple.
There's a few. Whatever one.
You had me at hello. You weren't thinking of the human head weighs eight pounds? That's still in play.
The show me the money scene is funny. It's funny.
It's the funniest one to me. That's why I picked that one out of the movie.
Give me my money me my money um i i will go with this one it might be a stretch but it actually applies to me the most uh i actually you know turned on this video last night because i've been going through it a little bit uh in life and in this segment specifically oh the night is darkest just before the dawn oh and i'm it's dark for me right now From Batman the dark night Is that true Yeah Definitely Why else would they say it Yeah good point So I have two now Hank I just went Yeah you went Hank Max you went before So Big Ed has two Okay I have two I have two I'm going to stick with the theme Real quick with Al Pacino I'm going to go with say hello to my little friend I had it I had it He I had it. I had it.
I had it. He's just Scarface.
Classic. All right.
And then I'm going to go with a newer movie. And I feel like this is more just like people like to use this everyday life, memes, everything.
I farted out of my heart. That is a good movie quote.
I should have put that down. I'm going to go Wolf of Wall Street.
I'm not leaving. I'm not fucking leaving.
That's a good moving quote I should have put that down I'm gonna go Wolf of Wall Street I'm not leaving I'm not fucking leaving that's a good one it's definitely had a resurgence gets you fired up anytime a coach stays just gets you fired up Hank there's a lot there's a lot to pick from that's what lot of good quotes That's what makes this hard Yeah It's a good Mount Rushmore Great topic by you Hank You're the one who picked it You picked this Mount Rushmore So credit to you For picking a great Mount Rushmore Hank Did you know it was your turn? Oh you just picked two two? You fucking asshole. Oh, okay, so it's my turn.
See, this one actually, like, I think that people have the wrong... I was one of those people until I Googled it to double check, but the quote is, you're going to need a bigger boat.
Yeah, yeah. You would think it's, we're going to need a bigger boat, but it's, you're going to need a bigger boat.
But that's my pick. It's a good quote.
I had it on my list. Yep.
But did you not think it was, we're going to need a bigger boat? Yes. I thought it was, I think we're going to need a bigger boat.
Yeah. Berenstain Bears style.
Yeah. Definitely.
But it's, you're going to, that's the quote is, you're going to need a bigger boat. So that's the quote.
Yep. Okay.
Good, good pick, struggling i have a question yes can i also take a godfather quote yes of course okay then i'll take leave the gun take the cannoli okay all right good pick good pick from a famous scene great great pick up? Yeah. Okay.
I have two? Yeah. I've thought of like six more quotes doing this.
I know. Okay.
I just don't know. I don't know.
This is very hard. It's very difficult.
I'm going to go with Mama Always Said Life Was Like a Box of Chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.
Forrest Gump. Come on.
Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.
How can you rob the people of that? Those must be comfortable shoes. I wish I had me some shoes like that.
I actually was not picking it. Mama said they were my magic shoes.
I wanted you to pick it because I wanted you to do it. Jetty and me was like peas and carrots.

Okay.

Magic legs.

I could just keep doing this.

Okay.

So I get two.

So I'm going to have another one. And my second pick is going to be...

You can't handle the truth.

Good one.

Versatile.

You can just scream it at anybody.

Very, very versatile.

I hate my...

My draft is horrible. I'm just going to keep going.
Your body was clenched. Mine's worse.
Mine is so bad. I'm just going to go, yo, Adrian.
Give me a – That's a good one. Throw me a Rocky in there.
It's a good one, yeah. Yo, Adrian! You just took the meatballs of Paul.
You know what's great? Max never overthinks it, and that's why he does so well. Yeah, it's true.
No, I'm going to lose this one.

He empties his brain.

For sure.

Okay.

Hank, your last pick.

I feel like I have to.

He's the most quoted person in my life.

I think the most quotable movies that he has,

so I have to pick one from him.

There's so many to choose from.

But I think what will look the funniest on the graphic

is today, Junior.

Ooh.

Okay.

Had to get an Adam Sandler quote on here.

Yeah.

There are so many.

It's hard.

I kind of wanted to do...

The one I like to say the most is, I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast.

You eat pieces of shit, but that's just a lot of words.

Yeah, but so what?

But today, Junior.

It's a good one.

It's a good one.

That's a good one.

Okay, I'll go with my last one.

There's so many.

We should do Adam Sandler movies.

I know.

Oh.

I like this one.

Fuck.

I'm going to go with it.

There are so many good ones.

I have so many left on the floor. It could have gone 12 rounds.
But I love this one. Fuck.
I'm going to go with it. There are so many good ones.
I have so many left on the floor. It could have gone 12 rounds.
But I love this one because you can use it for everything else. Should we just go eight? I could go eight.
Six. If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook.
I love that quote. Okay, yeah.
You just basically just write it someone's face. If you would have done it, you would have done it.
The Winklevise. Yeah.
Well, Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, set it to the Winklevise.
All right, so we have honorable mentions. There's so many.
So many. I was kind of thinking, because Hank is right, the smaller quotes help.
Like, are you not entertained? Would have been a good one. Fuck.
Why so serious, Batman? Why so serious was definitely the... Yeah.
Wonder how I got these scars. Yeah.
one fuck why so serious Batman why so serious was definitely the yeah wonder how I got these scars yeah oh why so serious is definitely just keep swimming finding Nemo yeah uh look at me look at me I'm the captain now that's good that's a good one I had uh I feel the need the need for speed I like that top gun there's also James Bond James Bond my team is on the floor hoosiers pain heals chicks dig scars glory lasts forever i probably fucked up i probably fucked up my last quote i should have gone with the other one i was thinking about you blitz all night uh life moves pretty fast if you don't stop and and look around once in a while you can miss it ferris if you build it he will come yep yep get toper. I see dead people.
That's a good one. I know you are, but what am I? Pee-wee's Big Adventure.
I love that movie. Keep your friends close, but your enemy's closer.
Godfather. Yeah.
There's no crying in baseball. That's good.
There's no crying in baseball. That's good.
Max has not given us any honorable mentions. No, I wasn't prepared.
One that's very quotable, but I don't really know how you, because you got to get the whole

line in, but hey, Greg, why don't you go piss your pants again? That was eight years ago, asshole. People don't forget.
Yeah. I guess you could just go people don't forget, but kind of need the whole thing.
But that one, people don't forget is like. Did we just become best friends? Yep.
Mm-hmm. I mean, that's always us.
The two of us. This is something I ask my friends a lot.

What is the movie that you think you know the most percentage of lines in it? Forrest Gump. Like, not quotes from it, but word for word, whole movie.
Yeah, Forrest Gump. Probably Signs of the Lambs.
I had one of those quotes in there. The Chianti? Since it's taken, once tried to test me.
That's like a lot. There's a lot of dialogue.
I'm talking about every line of dialogue. Oh.
It puts lotion on its skin. Yeah.
Yeah. I would say.
Benjamin Rath's bell. A fledgling killer's first flight.
Hester Moffat, it's an anagram. Clarice.
The rest of me. Is Silence of the Lambs a sequel? Kind of.
Brian Cox played Hannibal Lecter. I think it kind of is.
I think Manhunter was a prequel that came out. I don't know.
I get the timeline. No, well, there's Red Dragon, which is awesome.
I read an article. And there's Hannibal 2, which was not great.
And then there's Hannibal 4, I want to say, that was okay. I read an article about was Hannibal 2 which was not great and then there's a Hannibal 4 I want to say that was okay I read an article about how Brian Cox worked on um super troopers and it was like they offered it to Bill Murray then he turned it down Brian Cox read it he was like I always kind of wanted to do comedy and then I played Hannibal Lecter and my whole career changed I was like wait Brian Cox played Hannibal Lecter yeah that was Manhunter but that was before

Silence of the Lambs

Silence of the Lambs is a sequel

it was played by two different people

I don't know if they call it a sequel

in the classic sense of it

but yeah it's like in the same universe

yeah

one of my favorite

you don't need to see Manhunter to see Silence of the Lambs

correct

and you don't need to see Red Dragon

or you don't need to see Silence of the Lambs

oh dude Red Dragon is incredible. I've also never heard of this.
Watch Red Dragon. Edward Norton.
It's scary as fuck. So fucking scary.
Awesome movie. There's a lot of naked crouching in that movie.
Yeah. Heads up.
Dude, Red Dragon is awesome. One of my favorite quotes of all time from a movie, but I feel like it wouldn't have really played in the graphic.
And it's also, I mean, Roadhouse is a popular movie, but I used to fuck guys like you in prison, which was an ad lib, like, quote. It wasn't on the script because it still makes no sense.
You just, he had him in a chokehold. He said, I used to fuck guys like you in prison.
So he's just saying that he fucked a lot of guys. Cardiac colon.
Do it. My favorite quote.
Utah, get me two. Two.
My favorite quote from Roadhouse was. That's a great one.
There's so much. Pain don't hurt.
Yeah. I know a lot about golf.
Or no, you know a lot about golf. I even know.
I know even more about grass. Yeah.
I fucked up that last pick. King Kong ain't got shit on me.
Houston, we have a problem. Houston, we have a problem.
King Kong ain't got shit on me. Damn.
Going streaking? I didn't know you like to get wet. Yeah.
You just smoke PCP, Jake. Come on, Jake.
I had if you could dodge a wrench, you could dodge a ball. Yeah.
Head body, head body. I actually think you didn't use the most...
Oh, fuck. just popped in my head Damn it Were you going to say urine? What? Dodge urine? No No Urine No That's what I love about these high school girls Yeah They get older and they stay the same age Or just alright, alright, alright What are some, yeah Shit I also had uh smoky this is not nom this is bowling they're rules yep and uh also well yeah you know that's just like your opinion man you're entering a world of pain yeah there's a lot of good this is what you get when you fuck a stranger in the asshole yeah they're nihilist he has a great one uh ass to ass yeah requiem for a dream yeah by the way i don't know if this was on camera or not I don't think it was we were I think it was disc golf right we were playing disc golf and we started to do the Requiem for a Dream music the dramatic opera song that goes you've heard it in like every dramatic movie every dramatic And Hank said...
I feel like you guys don't understand satire, even though... That was so serious when you said that.
There was no way that was satire. I knew the song was from Wequiem for a Dream.
PFT, what did I say? Do you think I didn't know it was from Wequiem for a Dream? Are you saying Wequiem?

Requiem. Hank said that

the 2009 Boston Celtics

made that song famous.

Right, which like

if you think I was being serious when I said that.

I think you were. We're gonna have to check

the tapes. Yeah, we'll check the tapes.
We'll get to the tapes.

We'll go to the tapes.

This is a good Mount Rushmore.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue

Yeah, that's a good one

You ever been to a Turkish prison?

That's a good one

Shit

Anything else?

Motorboating son of a bitch

Good Mount Rushmore, Hank

Not you, not you

Yeah, I thought you would have gone more to part it

It's not gonna be me, you, and Sean

What's the one, what's the

I'm the guy who

When he's like, I'm the guy who does this and you're the other guy? Who's the bad guy? Oh, who's the bad guy? Oh, who's the bad guy? I'm the guy that does his job. Yeah.
You must be the other guy. The other guy, yeah.
That's Departed. Yeah, yeah.
Oh. I thought you'd go with some of those.
Whose car are we taking? All you care about is playing Coke and Xbox. Whose car are we taking? Yeah, you missed that.
That was a big miss for you guys. I could have just done Boston movies.
Playing football for West Cane and Haskell was the opportunity of your life. There goes college soccer.
Alright, good Mount Rushmore. Thank you, Hank.
Good luck. When this airs, you have already...
Wait, is he lighting it or is he ringing a bell? He will have rung the bell. And you can't unring a bell.
He's going to lead the team out onto the field,

and that's what you guys don't understand.

It was great.

They had the rugby team do it for week one.

Hank, week two.

It was big.

Yeah.

Ring that bell.

Sounds like you're –

Yeah.

No, I love rugby.

No.

If I had said it, watch.

He said it that way.

I said, yeah, they had the rugby team do it week one,

and then you did week two. See, that's different.'re gonna be great you're gonna do great sweet hank you're you're listen i love rugby i love you this is a big fortnight for me and you you love rugby too you stiff arm max remember that yeah that was a great clip we should post that more yeah memes what to that one? That clip kind of fell off.
Did somebody pay you off? Stiff arm? The stiff arm one? Yeah. No, I can bring it back.
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OK, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is Los Angeles Chargers, Khalil Mack.
Wish he was still a bear. This is our Grit Week interviews presented by Coors Light.
So, Khalil, first of all, thank you for joining us. First question, same question we ask everyone on Grit Week.
Yeah. How grit? Oh man, just a badass, tough motherfucker Willing to do anything to help the team win Okay, that's a good answer Are you a badass, tough motherfucker? I mean, it should be obvious, I shouldn't have to tell you I want it to be obvious with my actions on the field Not just speaking on it Yeah, I would say you are A true badass motherfucker doesn't have to tell you.
Yeah. I want it to be obvious with my actions on the field, not just speaking on it.
Yeah. I would say you are.
A true badass motherfucker doesn't have to say they are. Everyone just knows it.
I want you to say it for me. Yeah, you are.
You are a true badass motherfucker. You can redo the intro if you want.
We're joined by a very special guest, Khalil Mack, a true badass motherfucker. Yes.
Thank you, man. That sounds good.
Thank you, man. That sounds cool.
So, Khalil, I talked to you a little yesterday. I wish you were still a bear.
But we're excited to have you on. I'm happy that you're doing well with the Chargers.
How many sacks did you have last year? 17 and a half. Jeez, 17 and a half.
Oh, 17, maybe 17. I should have actually introverted it differently.
Future Hall of Famer. Have you thought in your head, like, the number of sacks you want to get to?

Because you're over 100.

You're getting into that territory where it's like, these are some real dudes up here.

Do you have a number in your head?

Definitely don't have a number in my head.

The only number I had in my head was the 100.

Knowing I can get to that was pretty cool last year.

But from now on, it's just

going out and playing ball.

Yeah, and it's crazy that you

got to 100 sacks with, for people who

don't know your story with football,

you only played one year of high school football,

right? Yeah, yeah. So there's a whole

alternate world where you don't get

hurt playing basketball in high school

and you never play football? Low-key, yeah. That.
Yeah. I'd probably be a physical trainer or something.
Yeah. That's nuts.
Athletic trainer. Yeah.
So it was a knee injury? Yeah. Yeah.
Patella. You tore your patella? Yeah.
Yeah. And then you came back and you became one of the most explosive football players in the world.
Yeah, man. Yeah.
God is good. God is amazing, man.
So when you switched to football, cause you were, you know, obviously you were thinking, all right, basketball, I'm going to get a scholarship. You have one year of high school football where you like, this might be the end for me.
Like I, unless I have to play out and then hope that something falls in my lap here. Yeah.
Low key, man. Um, but the first day we put pads on my, my, uh, head coach at the time at, in high school, his name is Waiters Ashman, he said after the padded practice, he was like, I might be able to get you a scholarship, man.
Wow. That might be turned into an offer from Liberty University, and then that changed into an offer from University at Buffalo.
Yeah. so that was first day he was like oh yeah you might be a scholarship guy yeah yeah yeah that's great that's awesome so you go from florida you grow up in florida and then you go up to buffalo yeah we love buffalo buffalo great people up there but the first time you got to really experience the cold and buffalo as a as a guy from flor was that like? Man, it was life-changing, man.
I think I had my biggest winter coat on the first day of maybe like 50 degrees. And everybody was looking at me like, why you got your biggest – I think it's called like Burlington Coat Factory.
My father took me to Burlington Coat Factory to get me the big jacket. And I had it on, thinking that was the coldest it was going to get.

But when it got to negative 10 and 5, it was definitely life-changing.

Yeah, and at Buffalo you were insane.

First team All-American in the MAAC, which is hard to do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At what point in your career at Buffalo could you tell, like, not that the game was easy for you, but you were clearly just so much better than everyone else on the field? Man, I remember the first day of padded practice going against the tight end at the time was a guy named Jesse Rack. I think he was probably like a decorated guy as well in the MAAC conference.
And I remember whooping him pretty good. Shout out to Jesse.
No offense. Jesse just sitting in his house right now like what the fuck.
And then going against another guy, James Starks. And him instilling that confidence in me like, man, you can ball, bro.
Yes. I heard it from him and seeing him go on to the Green Bay and do what he did his first year in the league and win the Super Bowl and all those different things, it kind of helped my confidence.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then going into the draft process, I know GMs, they like to get real weird with it. They like to figure out if a guy is mentally tough enough, especially if they come from a small school, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe all your physical stuff is out there and they they measure it, and they're like, yeah, it fits the profile. But when they're talking to you, were they trying to fuck with you a little bit, like knock you off balance in the interviews? I feel like the only interview I had that ended up being the funniest one because that's the team that drafted me was the Raiders.
So talking to them, it was definitely funny in a sense that they tried to get a feel for the type of person I was just from the 15-minute conversation at the time. But it wasn't so much of them trying to figure out if I was tough because I feel like they can already tell.
But just seeing the demeanor that I have off the field versus the one I have on the field is it's kind of two different things. Did you talk to Mark Davis in that interview process? Not Mark Davis.
I just remember talking to Reggie McKenzie and all the guys that were under him at the time. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to talk to Mark, no.
Mark, he's a hero of ours. I know you probably have your differences with the whole contract.
No, no, no. It's all love.
It's still all love from Mark. But the Gruden guy is the guy that I probably had the biggest issue with.
Yeah. That was weird, right? Because I remember the contract negotiation because you were first team all pro.
And was it Oakland at the time or was it Vegas? Man, I really can't remember. What year was it? Maybe it was 2018.
Yeah, you, you were all right. I was with the Bears in 18.
Yeah. Yeah, so I know you had your differences with the organization, but Gruden was coming in, and it felt like that contract negotiating just kept getting dragged out and dragged out.
It's like, when is this going to happen? Is it going to happen? And then you get traded, and Gruden says that you didn't want to be there. Yeah.
But you never talked to Gruden. Exactly.
Have you talked to him yet? Man, I talked to him a few times since then. A few supposed to be private conversations, but one of them was, oh, you motherfuckers won.
You motherfuckers won the trade or whatever at the time. And I knew we were going to play Oakland that next year after my 18, that year in 18 with the Bears.
I think we was going to play him in London. He was like, I'm going to send the house at your ass whenever we play.
And that motherfucker, he really did. So it was funny.
It was funny just interacting with him over the phone and kind of squashing the beef, but not really. Yeah.
Because it's always going to be that same feeling every time I see those colors on the other side. Yeah, use it to motivate you.
I had another question about your draft process. How much do you think your helmet, your face mask helped you get drafted so high? Because that was the coolest face mask ever, the one you wore at Buffalo.
Yeah, man. You look like Bane.
Yeah, I wanted to wear it in the league. I thought Ray Lewis probably wore it maybe the year before.
Two years or three years before. I know Justin Tuck was wearing it.
And then they changed the rules as soon as I got to the league. Maybe that did help.
That was the coolest thing ever. I also read a story.
I wonder if you remember this. I read a story that you were so dominant in practice at Buffalo that they would make you line up like five yards off of the line because they were like the offense can't get their plays off.
No, that ain't true. Okay, they never did that? That's funny, man.
Okay, and then the other one, the other story I read, which was crazy, I guess there was a pass rush where you one arm hit the tackle yeah and he was falling into the quarterback and then you grabbed the tackle and basically picked him back up so he didn't fall into the quarterback man i think i'm still doing that shit that's great they said they watched it after like what the hell just like the quarterback the story i read the quarterback watched it after and was like clue max saved my life because you because you basically threw him in the air, and then as he was falling, you grabbed him and pulled him back. There's some quarterbacks that have been on the wrong end of that.
I think Eli. I think I called Eli.
I wasn't trying to do it, but it just so happened that way. I think Eli was the only guy I probably got like that.
Just throwing someone else into him? Yeah, but yeah. Maybe him and Kirk Cousins maybe.
Yeah, those two check out for guys that would get sacked like that. Your best sack of all time was when you sacked Aaron Rodgers with your ass.
Yeah. That was awesome.
It was the ass sack. And you forced a fumble, right? I thought they called it the back sack.
No, it backed that ass up. Yeah.
Was that the week one game? It was a great sack. No, I don't think it was week one.
The week one game sucked, that one when they came back. I think it was the NFC when we clinched the NFC.
Yeah, yeah, at the end of the season. NFC North, yeah, end of the season, yeah.
But in the play, you can watch it back, and you realize, oh, I'm not going to be able to turn around. I'm just going to stick my ass, and your ass forced the fumble.
Come on, man. You talk about ass.
I mean, it's true. I knew he was somewhere back there.
I was trying to grab at the ball. And so, yeah, whatever, whatever.
By any means, I was trying to get that motherfucker, man. Yeah.
I do have to bring up a bad memory, the double doink. But I want to talk about the 2018 Bears because that defense was so much fun to watch.
Yeah, man. At what point in the season were you like, this is a different –

because I thought, you know, if you beat the Eagles,

the sky's the limit with the way the defense is playing.

Yeah, man.

Yeah, yeah.

Man, man.

Bringing back memories like a mug, man.

The first day there, man, I kind of just got a feel for the guys.

Knowing that Kyle Fuller was there, I knew you had a ball on the outside. But I didn't know a lot about Prince or Mookamore.
Yep. But sitting down, talking with him, and then figuring out that he can press off the line and all these different things.
And I didn't even know this young guy, Eddie Jackson, was in the back end ready to catch the ball and score at any moment. Yep.
Akeem Hicks. Yeah, along with Amos and Hicks.
And then you got two guys, a guy that just got drafted and Roquan Smith at the time and Danny Trevathan in the middle. Yep.
And then Akeem and Eddie Goldman and Leonard Floyd on the outside. So it was like I didn't know I I was coming into this because I didn't, I really didn't know a lot about the Bears organization before I went.
I think I made a joke and said I met like the whole McCaskey family and had no clue who was who. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was like a real like big shock in the culture like, just seeing how big that family was and how much that team meant to the city of Chicago. Yeah.
Yeah. And that double doink, how long did it take you to? Man.
People still just, like, spam it in my replies on Twitter all the time. I'm a bit delusional because it's like at the time I was thinking, man, it won't be so bad.
We can keep this group together. Yeah.
We can come back next year and have another shot. Yeah.
And that's what I immediately fixed my mind to. But as time goes on, you feel it more.
And just the understanding of, damn, that was a rare opportunity right there, man, to really do what I want to do before I hang him up. Yeah, do you think it was maybe a mistake the next season started with Matt Nagy ending every practice with kickers kicking from that spot? Oh, man.
See, I don't know that. I didn't even know that.
Yeah. You tried to, like, exercise the demon.
All that does, it just puts it right back in your head. Yeah.
I mean, a crazy play. Double doink.
And you guys were so good. I know that I'm obviously very biased, and everyone laughs at the Bears and we're a joke and all that stuff, but that team was playing, like I remember the game that I think about in that season was when the Rams, who end up going to the Super Bowl that year, come with their their offense to soldier field and i think you guys didn't even let them score a touchdown just absolutely demolish them and i was like this is different yeah yeah man no that was that was a special group man um and also with with coach vic fangio man just the mastermind behind him as a whole um and him understanding the players that he had and making sure before the week we were prepared and knew what we were going to do and everything was just going to be – we expected to dominate the teams that we went against.
And so, yeah, man, shouts out to them, man. I definitely miss that group.
Do you miss spare weather at all? Nah, I don't miss the winter. I don't miss the winter time.

But I miss, like, the fall season and all those different things.

Man, Chicago is a beautiful city, man.

I moved from Glencoe down to, like, the – what do they call that?

The Golden Coast Triangle.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Viagra Triangle or the Gold Coast?

You know what I'm talking about.

Viagra Triangle, yeah.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

I'm still a little young for that. I got to wait until my dick stops working.
Wait, I didn't even know we could talk like this. We could talk like this.
Yeah, we could talk whenever you want. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Any questions about our dick? No, hell no.
Okay, all right, all right. If they come up, this is our free form.
If it comes up naturally, we're happy to address. Listen, guys need to be able to talk to each other like's all good It's fine by the way So you mentioned You mentioned where you're living It's not really that good We have to We have to bring I told you this yesterday We have to put to bed The Halloween The famous Halloween story Because the media ran with it Yeah The Khalil Mack hates kids Khalil Mack hates Halloween Yeah What was that? He shut down his house for Halloween, turned off the lights, had a security out front.
What happened? Man, so what happened was some type of way my address was on the news in Chicago. And I just had random people just randomly coming up to my house for probably like a week before Halloween evenlloween even came about and so um talking to my guy tarpy uh i don't know if you know yeah yeah i'm gonna talk i'm like tarp man i don't really feel too safe right now i'm trying to figure out this the chicago media system like they can just put your house on online or on the news he's like man, trust me, it's different, but we'll figure it out.
And I'm like, okay, bet, before Halloween, we're gonna have to figure something out. Cause I know it's probably gonna be a lot of traffic coming through here and I wanna make sure everything good at the house.
He was like, okay bet, we can set something up. And so he just so happened to have one of the security from the team to sit outside to make sure wasn't anybody really trying to just yeah break in yeah for so for so much of the uh for so much of the word for the for the terms but um yeah and at the time i don't think i had my gate up yet i think it was partially up maybe yeah i feel like, partially up, and the entrances were, like, no dates.

And it looked awkward, but at the time, I didn't have any candy.

I just moved in.

I don't think I had a bed at the time, for real.

And so it was one of those things.

So, for the record, Khalil Mack does not hate Halloween.

Yeah.

And Khalil Mack is for the kids. I don't celebrate.
I personally don't celebrate. Oh, so you might hate Halloween.
You might hate Halloween. No, I don't celebrate it.
Okay. I don't celebrate it.
Why don't you celebrate it? I don't celebrate it because of my beliefs. Okay.
All right. All right.
All right. So, but do you, are you for the kids? Oh, yeah.
I'm for the kids, man. Okay.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
I just wasn't for, you know. Your address getting leaked.
I agree with that. Yeah, that was new.
That was new for me coming from San Ramon, California. And it wasn't that intense.
Yeah. Okay, that's fair.
So if a kid comes up to you, not on Halloween, different day, dressed in a costume and they're like, Mr. Mac, Mr.
Mac, can I have some candy, please, Mr. Mac? Would you give that child candy? You have a bag.
You have a full candy in your pocket. Absolutely.
Okay. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Good.
Y'all seem Halloween guys? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I like candy. You like candy? Yeah.
Yeah. What kind of candy do you like? All of it.
So my favorites are like Sour Patch Kids. Oh, Sour Patch Kids.
I like Three Musketeers a lot. I like Twix.
I like Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Me too.

We saw down in, I think

it was the linebacker's room, there's just

two boxes full of candy.

They said that that wasn't yours, though. No, no, no.

Does Coach Ben Herbert know about that?

Man, I hope not. Yeah.

He'll kick your ass. I hope not.
I think I've seen

a picture of you doing

the neck exercise. Yeah, how strong was your neck?

Did he test your neck? Oh, man. He tested your neck? Yeah, he tested our necks.
What test did he do? He put us through a neck workout. He pushed on our head.
He put his hand on the back of my head and then gave me a neck workout. Do you think he's made you harder to break? I mean, that's literally what he did.
The pictures weren't great for us. They were not great.
But my neck is so sore this morning. Yeah.
My neck is very sore. My jaw, too, for some reason.
I was working hard. Real hard.
You're joking. That's a different thing, though.
That's unrelated. Do you think he's made you harder to break? Absolutely, man.
Coach Herb, man, he's a smart dude. Intense.
Yeah. You know, he come off as intimidating to some people, but I like that energy, man.
He almost come off like one of the fullbacks that's a little throwed off in the head. Yeah.
That's going to try to knock your head off. But, yeah, he's a good dude, man, and he understands the body, man.
Wait, so what position group is the craziest on a football team? Like what room is like, don't fuck with those guys? Crazy in what sense? Like crazy in like what sense? Just like they're a little off. Like mentally they're a little off.
They got to be a little off to play that position. Maybe it's D-line.
So can we do a top five? Yeah. All right.
So crazy in the sense of the word.

So, yeah, you will have to – ideally you want your D-line to be a little –

A little off.

Yeah, you want them to, yeah, just get mad at nothing.

Yeah.

Then you want your linebackers.

Yep.

Whether it's edge or inside.

And then you want what?

You want your O-line.

Yep. You want your O-line.
Low-key, I prefer the O-line to be at the top of that list. Yeah.
Nowadays, it don't seem like it's a lot of, like, crazy O-line. O-linemen, they seem like they got a lot of sense.
Yeah. But, like, back Richie and Cogito.
Yeah, go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You want Richie and Cogito. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
yeah. Crazy.
Yeah. That type of vibe.
Nowadays, so I'll put them three. Who else you got? I mean, I would assume you want defensive backs to be a little crazy because they have to have confidence.
You want them to be crazy, but you want them to be a little, you want them to be a controlled aggression. Yeah, yeah.
You don't want them, like a safety maybe. Yeah.
You want your safety to be a little throwed off. Like Derwin definitely got a little, he got a little bit to him.
Yeah, he scares me. I like that.
He's one of those that'll knock your head off. But, yeah, you could say DBs, but I want to put the, who I want to put in there.
Running back. I want to put you, yeah, your running back, full back.
Running back, full back room in there. Yeah.
You got to have the crazy kickers. And then last, yeah, I think the kicker got to be like a different type of crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Delusional type of crazy.
Yeah, right. Like doesn't want to talk to anyone.
I can kick this from 70, 60 type crazy. Yeah.
It's cold, yeah. I don't even know what a goal post is.
Yeah, exactly. That kind of guy.
Windy City, what? Like, what? I don't care about the wind. If it's going this way, I'm kicking.
So it's like that type of crazy. Yeah.
Like Janikowski. Yes.
Yeah, that's my guy. That was my guy.
What was it like meeting him for the first time? Man, it was unique, man. I did not know.
I did not know what type of dude I was going to actually meet. I thought he was like an older guy, but Jano was like super cool and laid back.
And yeah, he'll have some something to drink for you in the back of the plane. Yeah.
If you wanted some. Talk to you about Poland.
Yeah. Yeah.
The culture. Yeah.
The Polish culture. Yeah.
Yeah. I remember they brought him out one time to try a 76-yard field goal going into halftime.
I know you made it. I don't think you made that one.
I think that one landed like a little bit short because like 76 yards, that's crazy long.

Listen, that was the only kick I knew that was built like a,

I don't even know, like an old line.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How far can you throw a football?

I'd say maybe 60, 70 yards.

I heard that you have an unreal arm.

So you played quarterback when you were a kid

and your problem was you couldn't throw short passes?

No, no.

That's fake?

Yeah, that's fake.

I don't know what else.

You had good touch?

That's it. that you have an unreal arm, but you, so you played quarterback when you were a kid and your problem was you couldn't throw short passes?

No, no.

That's fake?

Yeah, that's fake.

Yeah, I don't know what else.

You had good touch?

That's what I read.

I could throw a decent ball.

But, I mean,

67 yards,

that's pretty good.

Like, why aren't we using you in trick place?

I mean,

we had a play in Chicago, man.

I don't think we had

a chance to run it.

It was like Santa's,

well, no,

Santa's reindeer, I think that was for Keem. It wasem.
It was something like along with a Christmas vibe with Nagy. Okay.
But we never got a chance to run it. It was almost like the Derrick Henry play.
Okay, so you were going to get the ball handed off and throw it? Yeah, jump and throw it. That would have been awesome.
Yeah, yeah. Matt Nagy was like looking down his play sheet and said BU, and he was like, I can't call the fun play.
I need that. That's not me.
I need that play. No, he definitely will call him.
But later on, we went in situations where we can play around too much. Tell Coach Harbaugh to put something in for you.
I mean, I would hope so. Yeah.
I feel like he would do it. So you're just getting to, like, know him, obviously, because he's still a relatively new relationship with you guys here we love coach harbaugh yeah um he's like a brutally honest guy oh yeah and he's a football guy through and through yeah uh so i imagine that the two of you kind of get along as a veteran it seems like that's the kind of guy that you could identify or not identify but be like i respect this guy because i've been around the business long enough to know that you want a guy that will give me bad news or tell me I'm not doing something right and be direct with me.
Absolutely, man. Absolutely.
And that's from top to bottom, man. You could tell whenever he speaks in front of the team, it's like he's going to whatever is on that paper for him to talk about, he's not going to hold back from it.
Whether somebody's late or somebody ain't doing whatever they're supposed to do, he's going to let it be known. And that's the directness and that's the football-ness of who he is.
He always says the human body craves contact, which I think is true. But maybe not like as a veteran, maybe you get back to training camp and you're like, I don't really miss training camp, right? Yeah.
I mean, for the lack of what, the lack of the meetings, but the game, the love of the game, man, I love coming out on the practice field, but talking about football all day and putting it in terms and all that, it's like, I could do without that part. Let me do the fun part.
Go play on Sundays. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So dallas goddard on uh last year tight end for the eagles and he played at a small school not like buffalo buffalo plays in a real conference they played north i appreciate that that's my first time something like that yeah and he told a story about how when he was playing against these guys like he would go out and the dbs would be like can you take it easy on us because you're that much bigger and stronger did you ever have a moment like that in the mac where maybe not take it easy on us but it's like the guy you're beating up the guys so bad they're just like this is this i'm going to be an accountant next year i don't want to i don't want to play against you anymore man i i had a weird moment i wouldn't say it was to that extent um It was definitely like a moment of like, what the fuck this dude just said? It was my University of Ohio. Or Miami of Ohio.
No, it's Ohio University. Ohio University, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bobcats, yeah.
Yeah. And so it was maybe like a guard or a tackle.
It's like, man, can we take a picture after the game?

And I feel like it might be like the second quarter at a time.

I'm like, what?

What's going on?

He's trying to kill your kindness.

Yeah.

It's like, ah, that's weird.

Yeah.

That was a weird moment.

But other than that, I don't think I had too many.

Yeah. But it had to feel at times it's like no one can stop me.

Oh, man, that was my mindset. That's been my mindset my whole career, man.
Be a grown man amongst boys. Yeah, me too.
Yeah, me too. So is it still that way? Like are there times when the game feels easy to you? Man, last year, man, it got a lot easier.
Just switching my mindset, being around guys like Joey

and my coach at the time, Giff Smith, just learning new things,

learning new nuances and things to put into my game.

It simplified it that much more,

and that's where I feel like you can always get better.

You're getting better or you're getting worse.

So we might be dumb because we watch the games on a couch on Sundays,. We watch all the games at the same time, which is hard to do.
You've never done that before. We do it every week.
But we sit there, we watch, and then we come up with these theories. And we were watching the Chargers last year, and Brandon Staley obviously, he liked to mix it up on fourth down on offense a lot.
And at times we were like, I don't know that I would like playing defense,

even though he's a defensive coach.

I don't know that I'd like playing defense in that system because you never know when you're going to get back out on the field.

Like, you don't get that much time to rest.

Was that a conversation that you guys had with Coach?

Which is like, let us take a break sometimes.

That's where the crazy and the delusion come in

because it was like, man, I'm riding.

I'm riding with you, Coach. Whatever you decide, you know what know i'm saying i know the offense gonna convert on fourth down and if they don't it's another chance for us to go out there and kick their ass that's always been my mindset whether they turn the ball over oh bet it's another opportunity to go out there and kick their ass yeah and so that's where the delusion turns on when you're on the field that's where we're wired wired different.
Future Hall of Fame NFL players where we watch and we're like, dude, we just want to rest. And if you're going to make me go out there, don't send me back out on your 35-yard.
I'm going to give up a touchdown. Like, make them have to work for it.
Like, let some clock tick away here, Coach. Exactly.
Oh, man. Let us chill for a minute.
That's funny, man.

Chilling seems fun.

Well, Khalil, this has been awesome.

I have one last question.

It's a Chevy.com question.

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You're not much on social media, right?

No, no.

So do you ever see any crazy fans on social media for you,

or is it ever weird you out oh weird in what sense like is it like i searched i was like trying to find the weirdest tweets and i have a couple i'm really you can tell me if this is weird um someone tweeted i fucking love you khalil mac khalil mac is my whole life i die for khalil mac whoa for the record i don't want to die but if Khalil Mack was like hey life. I'd die for Khalil Mack.
Whoa. For the record, I don't want to die.
But if Khalil Mack was like, hey, you have to die so that I can live, I'd do it. Like, that stuff's weird, right? That's weird.
Yeah, those are all my tweets. Yeah.
I mean, I love you. I don't know what to say.
My guy can't. I literally, if you had said, in that 2018 season.
I was not expecting you to say that. No, yeah.
2018, if you were like, hey, Big Cat, you got to die so I can live. I'd be like, bullet in my head, no problem.
Cox you. I appreciate it, bro.
I appreciate the support. It's ride or die.
The one that says Khalil Mack is my whole life, that one is a little uncomfortable. I'll admit that.
Hand up. I got a few more things going on than just you.
I believe it, bro. I believe it.
So do I, man. Damn, that's funny, man.
For the record, if somebody ever, God forbid, if you ever find yourself in a life or death situation, just tell them, hey, go kill big guys. Yeah, right.
I'll take it. I'll take it.
Even though you're not on the Bears anymore, I'll still take it. No, man.
That's all love, man. I appreciate it.
I definitely appreciate you guys having me on. Yes.
Yes. It's been awesome.
Definitely been a cool experience. Yeah.
We're excited for this season to see what the Chargers do. And, yeah, when you get into the Hall of Fame, I'll have to come to Canton.
Maybe I'll introduce you. Maybe I'll actually think about this.
This would be the greatest Hall of Fame speech ever. I get up, and I'm like, I'mil Mack and then boom shoot myself in the head you tell me that people wouldn't remember that most I might get some blood on the gold jacket I might not be good yeah we do a little cleanup PFT will be there to clean it up and then I'll do the eulogy before him before you're inducted.
It'll be a whole thing. It'll be great.
It'll be beautiful. I do have one last question for you because I read somewhere, I don't know if this is true or not, I read that one of your favorite bands in the entire world is Hanson.
Fuck no. People are just like, I met you online.
So it's not Hanson. No.
Why not? You say why not? Yeah. I don't even know Hansonon.
Is that the umbop? Oh, sounds like you know it. That might be the only song.
They got more songs? No, it's just umbop. When's the last time you listen to that song? It was like Old Town Road.
It's been a minute. It's been a minute.
It's been a minute. I listen to it on purpose or just listen to it? Listen to it on purpose.
No, I don't think I listen to it on purpose. But you taught yourself guitar, right? Yeah, I tried, man, until my finger got stuck in somebody's helmet.
Yeah. That sucks.
Yeah, that thing is gnarly. Damn, you want my finger? I'll give you mine, yeah.
You sound like Joey. Dude, let me see your finger real quick.
Yeah. That would actually be good for guitar.
Really? Yeah. Hell no, it's not.
I can't bar anything, bro. Yeah, well, John Mayer played an entire concert without his index finger.
Yeah. That's John Mayer, bro.
That's a tough motherfucker. That's a tough motherfucker.
Yeah. It's grit.
Hell yeah. That's grit right there.
Gritful dead. All right.
Well, Khalil, thank you so much. We appreciate it, man.
Huge fan. No doubt, man.
Thank you, man. Appreciate you guys time.
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It is Executive Director of Player Performance for the Los Angeles Chargers, Coach Ben Herbert. Coach Herbs, can we call you Coach Herbs? Please do.
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Okay, so we got to start grit week off with the first question is the easy question. How would you define grit? Your ability and willingness to do any and all things regardless of circumstance that's a great answer okay i like that yeah yeah i love that word and and most most importantly what it represents to me uh it's it's pretty clear yeah that's how i see it yeah that's good that's concise that's to the point makes sense how do you instill grit in somebody or just It's something I see it.
Yeah. That's concise.
That's to the point. Makes sense.
How do you instill grit in somebody or something that you have? You know what? I think certain people in their upbringing and their exposures in life, they get exposed to some things that require more of it and nurture the development of it. but i definitely believe it is something that can be developed through exposure and the best thing is it doesn't have to be like a like i just think daily exposure in small doses some days in in you know bigger doses but just that repeated exposure you know and as someone's development of it you know starts to blossom and then for me you just re-encourage when you see it and you see guys display it or you see a group display it and I love to just reinforce like that's what it looks like that's grit that's what it feels like please show me more of that wow that's are those the words you use? Yeah.
Along those lines. Yeah, yeah.
So I got to say, I was doing a little research for this interview, and I watched a clip of Coach Harbaugh talking about the first time he met you and how he had to avert his gaze because you locked in and saw through his soul. So was prepped for the handshake but even even prepping myself for the handshake you gave me a look through my soul and i had to look away so what is that you just can look through someone's soul no you're doing it right now i don't know what you're doing you're doing it right now the key for me eye contact is powerful you know i have two boys are 10 and 13.
As soon as they could really comprehend shaking another man's hand or shaking anyone's hand for that matter in the eye contact, there's just something about the eyes. And when you're not accustomed to looking into someone's eyes when you communicate with them, it's very uncomfortable.
However, you can learn and you can develop that as well. as well and you know i always tell guys i'm not interested in like trying to be this tough guy like stare at you or you know but i i contact i'm not interested in running away right with my eyes i can't move physically like i tell people you can't move physically but you'll go somewhere else with your eyes i prefer to just stay stare

we're just staring at each other right now and then periodically you can look away if need be you know but yeah it's just eye contact is just something about it yeah i'm not and i literally see it as i'm not interested in i like to be right here yeah you know and stayed there locked in yeah locked in and coach harbaugh also called you his x factor. And, you know, you started we were talking beforehand.
You're a Badger. You went to Wisconsin.
Where's that? Wisconsin, Arkansas and then Michigan. What like your career and learning all these things, being around football so much? Like, do you think that you're an X factor now? Are you feeling like, hey, I know how to do this better than anyone else at this point? No, that's the last thing that I think.
Okay. It's an incredible honor for Coach to view me the way that he does.
But what I do know and what I've learned over time is what I do like this moment. I'm right here right now.
And then I'll move on to the next moment. what I've done in the past, what I've learned over time is, you know, what I do like this moment, I'm right here right now.

And then I'll move on to the next moment. What I've done in the past, what I'm I don't think or I don't let myself do what the future holds is irrelevant to me right here, right now.
Right. I'm going to I'm going to do this to the best of my ability with you guys.
Right. and then move on to the next thing.

I don't get caught up in you're the difference

or you're the reason for greatness a team was great or you're the reason that they were terrible or I've experienced all of those scenarios I just I like humble and hungry right I'm gonna coach hires me to do what I do and and it's my responsibility to really just keep up with him. Yeah.
He's the tone setter. He's the tip of the spear.
It's easy to respect a guy that conducts that conducts his business the way he does. And that inspires me to just be sharp every day.
Yeah. I knew you were the real deal when I was I was looking into like Big Cat, you know, do some research before we sat down.
I looked at your social media, and it still lists you as the strength and conditioning coach of the University of Michigan. And from that moment, I was like, that's a guy that's locked in on his job.
That's like, I don't care about social media. Forget that nonsense.
I'm right here right now. I don't think that you've tweeted since like 2017.
But again, that's the kind of guy that I want strengthening and conditioning my players have you thought about changing it no yeah i haven't uh to be honest you know i got in uh when i went from wisconsin you know we went back to back to back big 10 championships we went to arkansas and so you get accustomed to you know a lot of people saying a lot of positive things about, you know, we're big, strong, physical, all these different things. And then we went three and nine that first year.
And we were not labeled that. And I got encouraged to get involved with social media and engage and, you know, do these different things.
And then it just took me on a roller coaster emotionally that I was like, you know what? I prefer to not be on this emotional roller coaster. So then I just disengaged.
And now I, you know, people are like, coach, you live under a rock kind of, you know, I have very little awareness of other, you know, things other than what people put in front of me. I just kind of stay in my own world.
You know, here, you find me in the room. You find me at, you know, my current address.
That's about the extent of it. Yeah, I mean, I was listening to a podcast that you did with the guys here, and they asked what you do in your, like, spare time for fun, and your initial answer was clean.
Clean stuff. Yeah, so there's something about people that get it.
There's people out there that they just enjoy doing that. I love taking something from, you know, if it's disorganized or messy, if it's mine.
I'm not interested in doing it for you guys. Right.
But if it's mine, I just, I enjoy, I couldn't tell you why. Because since I cried from it, since it's accomplished.
Accomplishment, yeah. All of those things.
And so I find myself when I, you know, it's just a peaceful place for me. Yeah.
Yeah. And I also heard that, so this new facility is incredible.
Yeah. Are you worried at all that it's too nice for what you want to do? No, what's funny is like you look like if you go over, we got some plates and you'll find some rust.
You'll find a little. OK, good.
You'll find a little rust here and there. But yeah, whether it's this or, you know, you could put us in a back alley somewhere like we're going to conduct our business the same way.
You know, we're going to train. We're going to do things how we do.
Yeah. The environment.'s just a beautiful environment we take a lot of pride in that but no to work how we work the way we work the consistency we work with is that's going to take place regardless of where we are yeah because i heard you fell in love with a shop vac that you went to the store got a shop vac yeah and now you just want to shop vac everything which i understand i i felt it's cool it's most versatile.
It's the most versatile tool out there. You know, every, every time a guy that's been on my staff, like they become a homeowner.
That's my favorite gift to give. I had a similar experience with a power washer.
You get a power washer. Then all of a sudden you want to power wash everything.
It's so satisfying. But yeah, like you said, there's like small feeling of accomplishment.
You feel like've done something yeah you know ready to move yeah it's i mean it's the shop back is gritty it is because you don't have to like you can i mean pretty much anything you know you can you can suck up with a shop back i love it you could say i love the versatility and i love the grit factor of the shop the shop back yeah so so coming to the NFL is it how does your job change when you you know you've spent all this time in college you're taking 17 year old kids building them into men now you got a bunch of men is it like have you noticed that hey I got to approach this differently or is it this is my system and we'll figure it out going forward yeah the biggest thing is it's a lot more similar than it is different. There are some nuances that are different.
The maturity of the population you work with is obviously different, but the desire, guys coming into college as freshmen, guys who are in college, a high percentage of them, they're hell-bent on getting better and improving. Same here.
Regardless, at least this roster, the guys that we have, regardless of how much money they make or not, where they fall in that category, they want to get better. And if you can help them do that, that's very important to them.
They're very responsive to that. And the process, the system, the way we do things, our evaluation process, making sure – and I've told guys, this isn't come in, let's get a workout.
We're going to train. It's very different.
And so training is very intentional, what we're going to do, like we're going to train it's very different and so training is very intentional what we're going to do why we're going to do it and being able to build that rapport and that relationship with these guys is is of the utmost importance because they've been doing it they have a lot of them have different experiences you know doing different things but if you relate and communicate to them in what I view as the appropriate way, they've been great. Yeah.
Yeah, so as somebody that's in charge of building strength, when you go into every offseason, I assume that you tweak things, right? You always try to get better. You try to improve.
How do you determine, like, what's going to change year over year in a strength program when maybe you've been there for a while maybe you know what works like how do you figure out okay this is a missing piece that we need to add on and incorporate next season you know what the unique thing is every year you don't know necessarily until these opportunities present themselves what is going to be needed right because each year there's different individuals that make up the team the the mentality and the makeup of the team the the culture so to speak the personality that the group has it changes and so if you're going to say how are we going to improve the capability of the four rotator cuff muscles in the shoulder. There's a specific cuff sequence that we do.
It's what we do. Where there's the most versatility is things that involve consistency, things that involve mentality, because there's certain things that certain individuals need and certain teams need that other teams didn't.
Yeah. Right? And then it's it's always figuring out you know what range of motion and tissue and joint you know flexibility mobility strength and power movement traits that stuff's relatively easy it's the things those are all objective we measure we test we measure we test right the guys all have that data but it's these other factors that play a significant role the mentality we talk about grit uh consistency all of these things play a significant role and those are the things that change because when when you have a group or a team that has that you don't need as much of it right things to help with that yeah and you have some teams that don't have that hey coach what do we got today stop asking me that why do you care what we have right right it doesn't matter what we have the only thing that matters is how you're going to do what we have right you know so these type that's what one big cue they start asking like what's the schedule what are we doing they want to know oh so you can prepare yourself for what's to come right and then i'll tell them the i'll just make up uh just some random sequence that they oh okay cool sounds good and then it's not that in fact it's It's opposite and then they you you can completely desensitize them right and that's one of my that's one of the because that is a very natural thing when you're like i'm about to do something that sucks i want to know how bad it's gonna suck and then you can prepare yourself like all right i gotta go hard here i gotta go a little softer here gotta go that's smart that you keep them on their toes you you in your introductory press conference here i loved it you said that we're not building strength we're making them harder to break how do you make someone harder to break could you make us harder to break a hundred percent yes guaranteed because we break easy no this is this is the key and here's an exact just way i when the guys when we talk through it okay so and i referenced in my opening press conference neck training so in my opinion when your neck is stronger in flexion when you press forward or an extension when you press back and we side bend as well when your neck is stronger and you strike something or get struck, in my opinion, you're going to be able to dissipate that force more effectively, which is going to decrease the likelihood of the brain coming in contact with the skull.
Now, can it, and does it still happen? Yes, it does. But if I have the choice, oh, I'm going to go to great lengths to make sure we are as effective as we can be at getting your neck strong in flexion and extension.
Same thing with the four rotator cuff muscles in the shoulder. If you want a strong, stable shoulder, would you prefer all four were strong, three of the four, two, one, or none of them so right away okay coach herb how you going to

make us harder to break i'll take you in i'll literally show you a next sequence teach it to you let you feel it take you through a four-part cuff sequence you guys could do those those things easily and you could do the multiple times a week and then uh you could be in a multiple multiple different situations where that could benefit you, right? And for the guys, things happen. But when we look at what we're going to program and what we're going to administer to them, that's how I view making them and helping them become harder to break, is making sure that certain areas of the body just are more equipped to tolerate stress better we we need you to make a harder to break for podcasters so it's stuff like can you eat you know uh 10 buffalo wings and then have a dairy queen blizzard will your legs fall asleep when you're taking a shit like that that we need that type forget the neck yeah we just need we like how loud can you scream at your mom when she comes down to the basement yeah not now recording can you can you watch football on six tvs at the same time yeah are we harder to break that's what we need you need a program you guys are out you're outside of my world yeah i think you're on the right to see you in our world for what oh you would hate it you would hate it oh my god you would hate would hate it so bad.
You got a good point about the neck, though. I feel like woodpeckers, what do they do all day? They slam their head against a tree.
They got strong necks. They don't get CTE.
They don't get concussions. They got the stabilized muscles right there.
How long would a neck sequence for guys like us, how long would that take? To take you through a, we call it a four-part neck sequence four-way neck sequence i i mean it'd probably take me uh two minutes two and a half minutes to take you through it and you find out how weak we are well i would know as soon as i put my hands i would do that after this yes but i would i would know and then the key is i'm only interested i'm not going to give you more than you can handle there's's no benefit to give you too much pressure. No good.
Too little. No good.
I'm going to get full range and you're going to work, right? I'm going to let you get the range that you need to get, but I'm going to make you earn it. And at the end, you'll go, I 100% guarantee you'll go, oh, that's what he's talking about.
You'll love it. Okay.
We're going gonna do that after this yeah so the other thing uh i i love how you refer to it as cold water but you love the ice ice bath how long do you stay in i just got asked this uh not too long ago uh 10 to 15 minutes and what temperature i don't care it could be 39 47 52 you know cold water yeah whatever it is like hey hey uh how cold is this uh it's no that's too cold or too i'm gonna get in it i'm gonna sit in there you know up to my neck for 10 to 15 minutes and the first four to five i'm in there just you we say the three of us are in there and i'd say hey you just get to the six seven minute mark and everything starts to numb out and then you got another you know however long we decide to stay in there but then it's you know you're thawed out or excuse me you're numb so yeah and then i always say then get out put a hoodie and some sweats on let your body just thaw out naturally and then shower after i think you would have survived the titanic that's a yeah a very long amount of time like just to sit in there six minutes until you get numb and then you won't feel it anymore i gotta i i gotta try the the cold tub situation but i heard it increases a bunch of stuff in your body. It increases all the good stuff, all the good brain.
I don't even know what they call them, but it gives you the serotonin, the dopamine or whatever. But you do it, I'm guessing, primarily for inflammation stuff? Yeah, and I said, when I got asked about it last time, just joints.
It makes my joints feel incredible. Yeah.
and then if you ever want i was talking to one of the players about it the other day if you want to and you guys may already know this if you've ever just jumped in cold water like sitting in it get in just sit in it for you know just a few seconds and then get out that's one thing you want to wake up and's all based on the sensory receptors, the amount of sensory receptors you have in your head. When you get in, you drop under.
You come out. It's instant.
You want an instant wake up? Yeah. Are you allowed to eat in the cold tub? You can eat, drink, any.
Okay, yeah. Just get in and relax.
It's cold water. Just do it.
I'll have a nice like soup dinner hot soup in the cold tub yeah for me from the inside out one of my favorite pictures ever uh and i texted them after i saw it jj and tj are are they had cut a hole you know and they're sitting in their pond yeah yeah any ice like just you know just hanging out dude first thing in the morning instead of a shower just cold just cold water wakes you right up cool i i don't prefer it first thing in the morning but if you yeah you get in if you took a you could even start hot and then just the last uh say 60 seconds or 20 seconds before you get out turn that thing to cold and you'll oh it'll it'll bring you to life real quick what time are you waking up these days it depends on the day i love this is another thing they said what do you love to do i love to sleep i don't know if you've ever met someone that enjoys sleeping more than i do however for 25 years i usually will get up between three and 5. That's insane.
That's crazy. What time do you go to sleep? Usually 8.30, 9, 9.30.
Now, some nights, you know, I'm going to hang out with my wife and boys a little bit. Clean some stuff.
Get the shop back out. Go crazy.
But I've never enjoyed waking up early early i love to sleep and when i get down time i'll sleep as long as i can yeah but but i'm you know it's up once i get rolling then it's good but i wake up when the day you know based on what the daily demands are yeah so if you wake up at three in the morning and you don't like to wake up early that that's like you're instilling grit every single day. A hundred percent.
And I say, you know how there's people that put their feet on the ground in the morning and they're like, I'm ready to have a great day today. Yeah, that's not me.
Yeah. Yeah.
I wake up and it's like. How much coffee? No coffee.
First thing I do is get in the shower. Cold? Hot to start.
and then I'll usually finish. Not always, but I'll finish with a, you know, 10 to 15 second little cold burst.
Yeah, wake you up. So what do you do between the hours of like 3.30 and 6 or 6.30 when everyone else gets to work? Well, so it depends on what the day brings.
You know, what time if we have a staff meeting or what time we're going to train um usually because of classes in college there is you have early morning training session or or multiple because of the the class demands uh here it's different but whatever you know whatever it may be that needs to be done that's what we're doing doing. Yeah.
So when you're watching your team out there, do you get extra pride out of watching them run the football? I'm thinking even Michigan versus Penn State this year. Incredible.
One pass in the second half. Is that just the pinnacle for you, watching them just absolutely beat down another team physically there's there's no better feeling it's it's incredible and and i would prefer like those type of scenarios uh it's incredible and i learned it at wisconsin yeah you know when i got there as a player and what we took pride in doing and then it really became instilled in me to run and pound a rock.

Yeah, it's amazing.

Take the will of the other team.

Yeah.

Yeah. And to do it like we did it this year, especially that Penn State game.

Yeah.

It was no better feeling.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's a match made in heaven with Harbaugh

because he has famous times.

I think there was a Stanford.

Was it Stanford versus Oklahoma State in a bowl game? And he ran the same run play like 13 times in a row down the field it's just like you can't stop it that has to be the best that's like the peak of just like man football yeah as i as i see it i love it yeah yeah it's great and there's nothing there's nothing you can do to stop it has that ever happened against a team that you've been associated with?

Where it was happening to me?

To you, yeah.

Yes.

Yeah, Wisconsin versus Michigan in 2019 maybe in Camp Randall.

That was a big one.

Yes.

Yeah.

We ran the ball down your throat.

That did not feel good.

Yeah.

What I take from those, it makes you feel certain.

What it does is it inspires you to, yeah, to get back to work. You know, and that's why I say humble.
It's, I've been on both sides of it and I prefer, fortunately, I've been on the other, on the good side a lot more than the bad side, but I know how both sides feel yeah yeah yeah I noticed that one of your favorite pieces of workout equipment is just big tires you buy a lot of big tires what is it about tires like tire flipping tire pulling what is about tires that make them such a great piece of workout equipment so it used to be the tire and I had the most insane collection of tires we named them we had the most insane collection of tires. We named them.
We had the most insane collection of tires. I mean, 15 different sizes and shapes.
Now we have finisher flip sleds. The beauty of the finisher flip sled is the position that it puts the guys, their lower back in.
And you don't have to grab it here. You can grab it in this way and it stresses the bicep differently so posturally it puts them in a better position but your ability to get triple extension and to develop strength and power that is my new yeah i don't even you could it's similar to a tire flip but it's i wouldn't even uh disrespect the flip sled by saying it's that it's it's its own beast and it's one of if not my favorite tools that thing is insane that's another thing you guys i'll teach you how to use the finish of flip sled yeah incredible tool yeah so how would you go about naming your tires kind of glossed over that yeah you know what uh just my staff we would just look at the tire and that looks like and we would just throw names out there and then you know what I mean bat around no and we yeah we literally uh we would just go down the line and really just banter back and forth about what we thought would be the best name just dude's name in tires yeah what's it look like and that's that's what we would go with what about what about having the plates everything perfect what what's that about where you said that in your introductory press conference every plate is going to be exactly where it needs to be nothing just like laying around is that just a mentality of you got to take care of your surroundings it's just how uh it's that it's also just how we practice attention to detail.
And it often, sometimes people don't, it's not going to directly correlate and guarantee you're going to be successful. But what it is an effective tool to me is practicing your attention to detail.
You want your footwork to be a certain way. You want when you strike strike something, right, all these things in your, in your game, you know, you're, you're, there's so many different details that matter.
That's just how we practice attention to detail. I, I just little, little cues that I'll use.
One, I take tremendous pride in the space. Yeah.
And I, you know, I like things neat and clean. So that just is what it is.
But but in terms of when you want how we train when i teach you guys when we do the neck or i teach you posturely i don't want to you i'm not going to put your lower back in a bad position or allow you to do it in a way that's going to hurt you right right so these details and how you execute all of these things are paramount, because if technically if you're not sound technically, in my opinion, then you increase the likelihood of injury in a training environment. So it's just the detail.
Yeah. And then how do we practice it? And that's just that goes hand in hand with just the respect we have for the space.
Yeah. Yeah.
Do the little things right, the big things take care of themselves, that sort of thing. Along those lines.
Yeah. So who is the – you've coached a lot of really strong players, and they've become strong as you've coached them.
Who's the strongest guy you've ever worked with? The key is strongest in what? Because – so if you said Turkish get-up, if you guys know what a Turkish get-up is, okay. And I describe that to the guys as it's a movement that challenges and stimulates the body from the tip of the finger when your arm's extended from the tip of your finger to the tip of your toes.
It's holding a bar and being down. It could be a dumbbell.
It could be a bar. And standing up with it over your head, right? Standing up with it and then coming down with it as well.
Chris Jenkins, D-Tackle at Michigan, did it with a 170-pound dumbbell. And it was silky smooth.
I mean, it was incredible. You can see when a guy's out of control and you can see when he's rock solid.
Aiden Hutchinson did it with – he had a bar and he had 45-pound plates on each side with no because if the wrist it's doing it with a two and a half on each side is one thing okay if the plate slides off if it's not perfectly stable if the plate slides off big deal they can still stabilize it if a 45 pound plate slides off one end the other side it's going the quickly. So the demand, I don't like things that are high reward and high risk.
My favorite things are things that are high reward, low to no risk. However, there's a sliding scale with every movement I choose for the guys.
But when Hutch was getting ready to do that, he literally started with a bar, then a bar and two and a half on each side, fives, and he worked his way up. I knew that if I captured that, it would just give him – it's another feather in his cap of what a freak show he was and what a freak show he is.
Chris Jenkins, that. Mozzie Smith, he took 325.
I i mean he hit it for 20 reps he went up the plow

stairs we had uh kenneth grant 360 pound the d-tackle that ran down that back from penn state he went up to we had plow stairs at michigan he went up at 360 pounds he went up those in like 279, 2.79 seconds.

Lower body, Travis Frederick played center for us at Wisconsin.

Incredible.

And you could go on down the line, you know,

the things that you see guys do over the years.

Yeah.

But those are some of them. Yeah.

Did you – a couple Wisconsin questions.

One, the TCU Rose Bowl game, was there any talk afterwards we should have run john claymore that one hurt yeah that one hurt that one hurt i was sitting right in the sideline where the two-point conversion failed yeah that was bad john clay was a beast in that second half yeah um beast you know what i can't remember what the the post game conversations were or weren't, but yeah, I mean, when we gave him the ball...

Yeah. beast you know what i can't remember what the the post-game you know conversations were or weren't but yeah i mean when we gave him the ball yeah it usually worked out well for truck people then russ did spike the ball in time you'd agree against oregon in my opinion yes okay and then was there any talk when you left wisconsin for arkansas was that was there any, like, we're running out of Watt brothers and there's no more coming? We got to get out of here before we run out.
You know what? I had JJ. I had Derek.
And, you know, over the years, you know, I see TJ here and there. Unfortunately, never got to coach him.
But, yeah, then he came after I had left and then yeah you wish there was uh just keep going you thought for a while there's like every year there's gonna be another wad brother we're good no doubt yeah talk to mom and dad like hey maybe get back in bedroom think about the future of the football team we just need all their kids to go to wisconsin that's all i care about would be amazing sign them up yeah i got a real scientific question for you what is the best lifting music oh oh see now this is where uh when it comes to music i usually it's the vibe of of the guys fortunately for me we could put there's i mean you could put anything on there uh i love old school like you throw the rocky four soundtrack on and i'm you know that's a that's a that's a go-to but it can be metallica it can be heavy metal it can be any type of hip-hop whatever whatever the guys are feeling and they're gonna vibe to that's that's what it is some days and it's all over the map fortunately i love i love it all and i've heard it all 25 years spent in a weight room i've you know heard everything and i fortunately enjoy everything yeah you have a raw dog in the gym you go in there no music no headphones there's days no music and i'm just looking for someone to be like, hey, Coach R, where's the music?

And I go, yo, you need the music?

Or we'll play – we played Barney.

And some guys are so focused on, like, the music.

They stop worrying about the music and worry about – you know, those are some of the –

Mind tricks.

Yeah, we'll use some of those tools too from a mentality standpoint.

There's no music and waiting for the first guy to ask you where the music is.

I'll see you. Yeah.
Here's where you're working with when you're talking to us in terms of grit level. There have been times I've gone to the gym, realized I forgot my headphones, and then I'm like, well, I can't work out today.
And then I just leave. Yeah.
You'd be disgusted by us. Yeah.
It's not. Yeah, you would be disgusted.
That's – we have grit in certain facets, you facets you know doing our job but in terms of like working out we don't have a lot of grit so we need that and it's not all created equal i mean yeah to do your job is the most important so whatever you have to do right to get yourself where you need to be yeah uh i'm not like i'm in a working environment my level of urgency is very high however when i leave i tell the guys when i leave i'm one of the most chill laid back you know what i mean just because what do i need urgency for when we're you know yeah just hanging out yeah uh it's just you have to time it appropriately and and like you said when we're working we have it which that's when you need it yeah yeah when you're not working you know there's you can be selective in a workout you don't have your headphones you don't feel like training okay that's a lot different thing you don't feel like doing a show you got to get your mind right you're gonna get your mind right yeah we don't miss shows that's a fact i broke my foot i did a podcast that day big cat got bit by a dog did my pinky did a podcast there you go no problem yeah right through it that's grit yeah that is grit people calling calling dog bite that day they're like can't do it yeah rabies shots we got that grit uh all right well coach herbs has been awesome i got one last question uh chevy question uh chevy.com go check it out chevy silverado best truck out there uh coach harbaugh who we're we love we're good friends with do you train him does he ask you like hey coach herbs i need a i need a formula you know you need to give me everything are you are you actively training him still? Coach Harbaugh does does not – Coach Harbaugh just walks into the room and he's ready to train.

You know it.

Coach, you ready to roll?

He does not ever, never.

What are we doing today?

How much?

He just goes and he attacks and he does everything that the guys –

I mean, he sled drags.

He flips sleds.

He does it all.

He reverse bear crawls like we had a ramp at Michigan.

and he does everything that the guys i mean he sled drags he flips sleds he he he does it all he reversed bear crawls like we had a ramp at michigan he would reverse bear crawl he all of it eats it up i love that eats it up i love that and he does it all in his khakis right he a lot of times whatever he walks into weight room whatever he's uh shows up wearing that's what he trains in. Yeah.
It's not, hey, I got to go and change. No, he just, coach, you ready to roll? And he'll give you that nod, you know? Yep.
And then he just, yeah, he's the grittiest of the gritty. Yeah.
Yeah. I believe it.
When you first interviewed with him, did you know during the interview, you're like, I can work with this guy. This is going really well.
You know what? When he decided that, you know, he brought me into Michigan to interview, and then I just – I hadn't met Coach or been around him, so I did a little background. And then you just – some of the stories and some of the things you hear, and then some of the people that had called me, hey, you know, you're going to Michigan, Coach, and then just these things you hear and then some of the people that had called me hey you know you're going to michigan coach and then just these these things you hear uh i i came to realize quick like the type of mentality you know that that he had and that's that's why i mean it was it was the perfect fit yeah yeah it's worked out well yeah i mean i'm pumped just listening you talk i i kind of want to just move out here and have you train me.
But it wouldn't go well. I'd break in a second.
Actually, we might break you. Yeah.
Maybe. If you spent one day with us, we would probably break your will.
You'd be like, I got to get out of here. This is terrible.
These guys are too easy to break. I'm broken.
Yeah. They've been sitting on the couch for so long.
But, yeah, it was awesome to have you on you on yeah i appreciate best luck this year x factor and let's do this neck test let's do it let's do it all right i love it noble is known for their best in class award-winning footwear with options across training and lifestyle noble No Bull has options for everyone.

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Let's get to Firefest of the week, wrap up the show. PFT, your Firefest of the week.
My Firefest of the week, it's fantasy football related. We are in a fantasy league.
It'sccollum's he calls it the high rollers league and jerry o'connell manages our team every year but in years past i've kind of been the one that's on the group chat with the league and then i text jerry on the side and tell him what's happening um no this year i decided it's time to have jerry in the mix oh no so. So yesterday, I added Jerry O'Connell to the Fantasy Football group chat.
CJ McCollum, Turtle from Entourage, Julius Randle. There's a few others that I'm not naming right now.
But it was like throwing a bomb into that group chat. Yeah, I'd imagine.
So I brought him in there, added his number. First thing that happens, Jerry texts them.
And I'm not going to be reading things out of the group chat. i'd imagine so i brought him in there added his number first thing that happens jerry texts them and i'm not going to be reading things out of the group i'm not going to make a habit out of reading things out of the group chat but for the intro i think i think this deserves a little bit of discussion uh jerry just comes out and says hey guys jerry o'connell here and the group chat turned green oh yeah he's got he was enjoyed out of out of the 12 people that were in there he was the first non-iphone user oh he ruined and then everybody started commenting how he turned the chat green oh and they were booing him and it was a tough start and then jerry says hey everybody jerry with the android i came in second two years ago when demar went down prayers for demar and also ukraine and then nobody responded and then jerry like two hours later says hey fellas just so you can get to know me here's a link to my imdb and then he posted a link to his own imdb in the group chat and he said go ahead ask me anything and uh nobody really replied i think i think turtle said mr bing bong back to him okay and then jerry said yeah mr bing bong i don't know anyone on this feed anyone from the mainstream media on here just want to know how raw i can get and then and then no one's responding to that so um no i've really mixed up the i've.
You know, Jerry, he's going to add some excitement to the fancy group chat. He's coming in hot.
I expect nothing less from Jerry. Oh, no.
But we have to have him on to talk us through what his strategy is going to be. Last year, it didn't work out so well.
Turning a group chat green is just unforgivable. Yeah.
So now, obviously, I'm to blame for doing that. Yeah and jerry get a fucking iphone dude i'm sorry i'm sorry to the group chat um but i think you'll enjoy having jerry in there give him a chance yeah geez now i'm pretty sure they started a second oh for sure just minus jerry yeah um jerry's gonna be coming into chicago last week of aug so we'll get our full fantasy preview.
Very excited for that.

I hope that this just turns into Jerry,

just talking to the guys and nobody ever responding to him.

Yeah.

Honestly, this is mental warfare on our part.

Yeah.

We haven't won years past.

Jerry's knocking them off balance right now.

He's going to get them to a point where they're just going to want to do

whatever trade with Jerry, just get them off your back.

It's kind of like negotiating against Marlinsman. Yeah.
Marlins Man has sent me some updates recently. How's he doing? With his schedule.
He's doing great. Well, I'll tell you.
How are his cats? Let me tell you. Okay.
I feel like we haven't gotten a Marlins Man cat update in a while. Okay.
Let's see. All right.
Last text from Marlon Manns. Well, I'm going tonight to Chicago for Sunday night baseball.
I think last one with no football or hockey or basketball. That was when we were in Grit Week.
And then he just sent me eight cities in two days. Seattle, Newark, Albany, Saratoga Springs, Boston yesterday, Boston and New York to Milwaukee to Chicago today.
So when he says Newark in there, is he just talking about the airport? I think so. And then yesterday I did not open this.
It was just Instagram reel of, oh, I think it's just Manny's Deli in Chicago. That's cool.
Yeah. I mean, I know the place.
Oh, no. It's Mench's Delicatessen, so it's just a bunch of sandwiches, which credit to him because usually when you open up an Instagram reel, it could just be titties.
It usually is, especially with Jerry. With Jerry or Marlins.
Yes. We should put them on a chat together, and they're both Android.
Yes, yes, I like that. Wow.
Also, Marlins, man, please, for the love of God, we need an update on your cats. I want to know how your giant cats are doing.
Yeah. Let us know about those pussies.
Okay. My Firefest, I have two.
One, I hate that I'm going to say this because, well, he's probably not going to listen. I do miss Hank every time he's out.
As much as we give him shit, I do. Like, that is, it's empty right now.
It's also, it comes from a place of jealousy that Hank has gotten to do so much cool stuff this summer. Well, I don't know if I'd count this as he's ringing a bell.
Yeah, but he loves that fucking lighthouse. Yeah.
I just, I miss him. I miss him.
So I hope he doesn't hear this part that I genuinely miss him whenever he's out. I miss him.
I think he did not bad in Mount Rushmore today, actually. Yeah, I think his movie quotes.
Yeah, I think he did not bad. Yeah,'s gonna be a fight we have six left after uh today and congrats to max congrats on max you clenched good job max you didn't clinch first right but you clinched not last yeah and that's what's important donnie's making meatballs right now he keeps telling me to come eat them that's my fire fest okay that's a good fire fest we'll wrap up soon my other fire fest is um my wife and oldest were out of town for a couple days and so i was in charge of the two youngest and i did okay but i quickly realized that like i have these moments where i'm like oh i'm an adult i'm clean i'm not like i used to be one my house just went right back to like my college apartment there was just shit everywhere boxes everywhere just not opening the she came home and she was just like did you check the mail and i was like ah mail that's the one thing with like a huge stack and then there was one night where uh i was doing dinner with my two youngest and halfway through dinner i realized that i just had them both eating off paper towels and i just not giving them plates that works so yeah that was one of those moments you're like dude what are you doing just get the fucking plates out but spin that's how i eat i eat over the sink i eat over the trash but spin zone some of the most memorable times of my childhood bonding with my dad were when my mom would leave town and then she'd come back and that like those two hours before she got yeah we would all spend time just like undoing all the damage that we did to the house before she got back and it was fun yeah and we ran we ran we ran the the the same play we ran chicken nuggets mac and cheese yeah chicken nuggets mac and cheese run it again yeah i just basically was like do it again do it again uh Huey.
Max needs these meatballs real bad.

No, Donnie just gave me a plate.

Oh, he did?

Okay.

One bite review. Wait, are you holding the meatballs right now?

Yeah, he didn't give me a fork, which is...

Just use your hand.

Yeah, just dive in there.

What do you think, Max?

Really good meatball.

Really good.

Oh, that's so gross.

That's a nasty sound. It sounds juicy, though.
Smells great. Yeah.
Okay. My Fire Fest.
So I got a new place. It's a walking distance from work.
Everything is great. Love it.
So the roommates are a little interesting okay and uh so the one guy very nice showed me around the place i think his name is elio eli something like that eli or elio elio yeah it was like just call me yeah yeah he's smaller than me so yeah but that's funny yeah you're right yeah biggie yeah i'll try it okay and then he's a great guy awesome the other guy um didn't say a word when i uh walked by him in the kitchen i had a little uh i had to grab a pepsi uh zero sugar and uh i went in there when i was gonna say hi to him but then we looked at each other and he didn't say anything so that's in your kitchen apartment yeah so that scared me and i was like i'm not gonna say anything so then i just got my

stuff and i left do you guys share you share a kitchen and a living room just yeah yeah yeah

and he has a cat no oh where'd that come i don't know i thought i saw something about a cat or a

dog in your apartment there's a chick who lives upstairs okay different apartment with a dog but what happened was that our front doors are the same.

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Oh, it's like, Oh, it the same so like oh it's like a hallway yeah yeah so so she was coming down as i was coming in so that confused me as i like as like you know what's going on here but that's a different apartment her and whoever dog did you pet the dog i did meet the dog nice dog nice very nice dog yeah very nice dog you can't have another No, I petted it. It came up to me.
I bet, you know. What kind of dog? It was a pit bull.
Oh, nice.

Yeah. What was the name of the dog? I don't know.
I didn't get that. You got to get the name of this dog.
I don't even know the girl. Because if you find out the dog's name, then you just say hi to the dog every time she and the dog walk past you.
Yeah. Never acknowledge her.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
All right, so this other guy, you've got a roommate that you stood in a kitchen your kitchen together and did not say a single word did not say it was three seconds i mean now you can never talk to him no yeah that's what i was that was the moment that was it yeah you can never see this person he was cooking and watching a show at the time what show okay i don't i i didn't stay around that it was it looked like something that was more live than an actual setting. It looked like a sporting event live, but it wasn't like.
It had a gamey vibe. It didn't have a TV show vibe.
You watched sports. No.
Did it look like sports? It didn't look like American sports. Got it.
That's what threw me off. So I just assumed.
Is this person American? No. Okay.
So that's where I kind of. So maybe they don't speak English.
So I heard them on the phone. And? They speak fluent English.
Okay. As fluent as can be.
Smart to say they get the program. But if you walk past and you don't know, like if they're watching something live, you don't talk to them, that's kind of a good move.
Maybe he didn't want to be interrupted. Yeah.
So I think I played it right, but I also don't know if I did. You got to wait until he wears some sort of sports merchandise, like a hat of a team or a shirt of a team, and then you strike up the conversation.
Also, just to clarify, you did not play it right, but playing it right from here on out means you can never speak to them. What about Eli?

Eli, you can.

Okay.

But if you miss the first moment to talk to a roommate in a kitchen, it's over.

That's fair.

That's what it felt like.

It's over.

That moment is gone.

He missed the opportunity to talk to you, though.

Think about it that way.

Yeah.

That's what I like to see it as.

He's probably on a podcast right now saying, I think I screwed things up with my new roommate, Huey.

Yeah.

Could you imagine?

Yeah. But I also have my own bathroom.

So I think that's what I like to see it as. He's probably on a podcast right now saying, I think I screwed things up with my new roommate, Huey.
Yeah. Could you imagine? Yeah.
But I also have my own bathroom, so I don't have to interact. Oh, wow.
Look at you. Fancy boy.
Yeah. Eli told me I had the nicest room.
Oh. He says that to everyone.
Sounds like a real straight shooter. So, yeah.
I mean, so I don't have to. I really don't have to even try to interact.
But yesterday, I was doing doing laundry and twice were like the second I closed my door in of my room. I heard a door of the other room.
Oh, that made me think, oh, he just does it. He doesn't want anything to do with you.
It's probably for the best. You don't know.
Yeah. It sounds like he's sending some pretty strong signals.
Yeah. Like, hey, I'm doing my own thing over here.
You don't want any part of this. That happens in work.
Like, when we got bigger and bigger as a company, like, if you see someone and it's, like, the first time you see them and you don't talk to them, like, that's it. Yeah.
You know? Like, it's just, that's it. Yeah.
Until someone maybe formally introduces you, but you just miss that moment. Or if you see somebody.
Because then you don't want to be the guy who's like, hey, do you live here? Yeah. Like, dude, saw me yesterday you didn't say anything if you see somebody at work and you say hey are you new here and they're like no i've been here right months yeah you can't you can't risk that yeah all right uh good show boys uh let's do some numbers 8 20 56 74 did you want me to say 20 today?

I wanted you to say whatever you wanted to say.

Can you say me one of those meatballs?

Yep.

3 99

Pug

21

Is that 99? Yep. Holy shit.
God damn it, Pug. He's the champion.
The guy just does it. That's all he does.
That's five. That's five? Oh, my God, Pug.
You are the champion. Max, have you thought about maybe stealing Pug's number? Pug did offer it up last night.
Oh, you offered it to Max several times. Oh, no, Max.
That should be offered to PFT since he's never gotten the number. No, you've never gotten a lot.
He's never gotten the number. I've gotten the number.
PFT hasn't gotten any. We're talking about the lottery ball.
I can't hear you. We're talking about the lottery ball.
Pug has my headphones. Pug, you offered that to him last night and he declined.
It's been offered several I'll tell you what. If pug it offered be offered to pft i don't want it offered to offer it to him pft would you like 99 pug you're goddamn right i would yeah you're fucking right i want 99 pug's just gonna win with another number yeah he will pug do you want 20 uh I might just switch to 98.
Okay.

Just go down the wall.

Work my way down.

Yeah, you're goddamn right I want 99.

99 is hot.

Hell yes.

Actually, Pug might just be hot.

Let's do one more.

Three.

This counts.

99, Pug.

56.

72.

98, Pug.

21. He's going to get it again.
98 21 7

Damn

Can you imagine if that was 8?

That would have been brutal

Oh god

Alright, love you guys We're talking away. I don't know what to say.
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