Grateful Dead Drummer Mickey Hart & Wright Thompson, Hard Knocks With Peter Schrager, Mt Rushmore Of Soft Things & Hank Has A B10 Team

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He has an insight into the Bears and how they film it. Also the Giants.
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We also have an interesting, different interview with Grateful Dead drummer Mickey Hart and Wright Thompson, the incredible author. They have a new documentary out on ESPN Today called Rhythm Masters, which was very cool, very unique, something a little different for the people.
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I think they're all too high. Maybe Brandon Ayuk getting traded.
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The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, August 14th, and the Jets have a problem.
Is it a problem? It could be a problem. You think it's a problem? Is it a problem when you trade for a guy and then he just never shows up? Well, so Hassan Reddick, who was traded for by the Jets, is at an impasse with the Jets because, according to Hassan Redick, they agreed to a new deal.
The Jets are saying if they will only do a new deal once Redick shows up to camp, and Redick is saying he won't show up to camp until there's a new deal. So they're at an impasse.
They've got to meet on the Jersey Turnpike this is why you you hold in you don't hold out i actually was that's what they did with darrell revis yeah when hard knocks was going with the jets a long time ago he was holding out they met at like a diner well that's what i'm saying yeah they should do the jets should just run a training camp practice from hassan reddick's backyard yeah and see if he should bring it to his house well the problem is I think he might be in Tokyo today. Oh.
Or at least he posted something on Instagram that made it look like he was in Tokyo. Either way, it is high time for the Florios of the world out there.
The Rossinis, our guy memes, diehard Jets fan, is very upset. And I don't think he has a gripe other than it feels like the jets are not handling this correctly well when when memes doesn't like the news he blames the reporter it's like if your house gets hit by a tornado you blame the weatherman the the phrase don't shoot the messenger shoot the message just never has come into memes his brain i'm kind of with memes on that one of course because you don't have you can't shoot a message yeah someone gives you bad news you hate that person shoot that person right that's what we do i i looked it up and it looks like hassan reddick he's uh he's scheduled to make 14.25 million in base pay uh he's missed 15 days of training camp which means he's accumulated eight hundred fifty thousand dollars in mandatory fines oh no and three hundred thousand in discretionary fines.
Now for every week that he misses, he's going $850,000 in mandatory fines. Oh, no.
And $300,000 in discretionary fines. Now, for every week that he misses, he's going to miss that week's game check as well.
Oh, no. Which is one-seventeenth of the $14.25 million.
So he owes the Jets over a million dollars right now for skipping work. Can you imagine if we fine people for missing podcasts? Can you imagine how much money we would make, Big Cat? We'd make a lot of money.
Something to think about. But this dude hates work so much that he's willing to pay a million dollars.
Sounds like they should trade him to the Bears. Memes, your thoughts? So yesterday I was pretty fired up.
Yesterday? This morning you were fired up. Yesterday count today? All of today? Yeah, that was calm.
That was calm, man. Oh, that was calm fired up.
You just told us to fuck off? Anything in the past was yesterday. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. This morning, that's yesterday.
You're like my three-year-old memes where she's like, yeah, I fell yesterday, and she's talking about a month ago. Yeah, I've calmed down since this morning.
Okay. Not really.
And? No, it is the Jets' fault. That was my first conclusion.
Oh. But also Florio and Rossini's because they told you.
Yeah, she's full-blown Florio of the Year. Wait, did you say she's full of Balone? No, she's full-blown Florio of the Year She's full blown, but also full of Bologna.
She's a system Florio. Oh, shit.
That's the meanest thing you can say. Okay, so what are you going to do? Can you give him to the Bears? No, so I don't think he's going anywhere.
Trade him back to the Eagles? Flip him? Distressed asset? Memes was getting to the point today where he was

just yelling other players' names

and being like, take him. No, you

should take that other player. Hank knows.

Yeah, Hank, do you have

any players that are in contract disputes?

Matthew Judon?

Oh, you do know. Okay.
Alright. And how

is that going? They're

working it out. Okay.
Him and

Mayo are on the sidelines having a nice conversation. Se and good yeah friendly and good i think he'll be on the patriots okay i think they're friendly i don't know if they're good friendly and good he'll be this is the off season this is how it goes in the preseason you know you gotta you gotta negotiate it it sometimes you know takes a know, takes a little while.
But the Patriots, unlike the Jets, are a classy organization. They're going to figure it out.
I can't really say the same for the Jets. Yeah, the Jets probably won't get it.
Something seems weird where they traded for the guy. And usually when that happens, you negotiate at least the outline of what the terms of the new contract are going to be once you get there.
The whole point of trading for him is you know he's going to sign the new contract. It's like when Chicago got Montez Sweat from the football team.
They had a deal in place, and then they executed it. It's not just like a one-year rental.
For the Jets, I feel like – I don't know if it's on the Jets, if it's on his agent, or both. Maybe both.
Maybe both. Or Florio and Rossini.
I'm going to call her Rossini real quick because she needs to respond to allegations that she's a system Florio. That are some heavy allegations.
Hank, I'm really proud of you for knowing Matthew Judon's contract issues. Thank you.
We had a debate whether you would know. What the fuck? What do you mean? I'm locked in.
Yeah, that's why they call you Lockwood. I watched more preseason football last week than my entire life before this.
Really? One game? Like three quarters. That's big time.
Memes might be right. Yeah, she's probably on the phone with none of her sources.
She's busy talking to no one. I said this to Memes yesterday.
I was like, oh, yeah, we'll take Hassan Redick back for a sixth-round pick, and he was like, no, his value would be way higher now than what we traded him for. No.
Legitimately thought. You think he's gone up? Yes.
He was like, we would get more back than what we gave you. Yeah, I don't think that's how it works, memes.
It might. Memes go down.
You should teach a finance course. It might.
Okay, so memes, you got to get that figured out because I don't want you to be grumpy memes. And feels like we need to just get him on the field Yeah, it's supposed to be positive Just pay him The salary cap is not real That's a fact The New Orleans Saints have taught us that many, many times Just give him the money You have like one, maybe two years of Aaron Rodgers Just give him money Let's have a good season.
Yeah, just make another vaccine.

What the fuck does that mean? Johnson and Johnson. He's right.
We're about to get another pandemic. Let's get another pandemic.
Bird flu. You can get all the pass rushers you want.
Bird flu's happened recently. Nice point, eh? That's what Hassan Reddick has when he doesn't play after leaving the Eagles.
Oh, I love. I forget how much Hank can just exist and get in under memes his skin when it comes to the Jets.

Yeah.

Listen or anything or anything.

We hate on Hank a lot.

A lot of it is deserved.

But you have to appreciate the fact that when Hank is going up against somebody else, it's awesome.

Yeah, we did.

We were doing stuff today.

We did the we had a little downtime and we did the Mount Rushmore of reasons why Hank can't exist and what were some of the things we came up with it was speaking or not speaking yawning you've gotten in trouble for both being hungry being hungry golfing having any hobbies any anything that outside of work that I any any activity well if your hobby was work then I wouldn one's hobby is work. No, sometimes you get mad at him for doing work as well.
Yes. Really? When I ask you work questions, you get mad at me.
Well, you also trapped me in a conference call this morning. Yeah, that's the only way to do it.
Hank said to me this morning, he's like, hey, I'm going to ride with you. And I get in the car, and he just goes, oh, by the way, we have a conference call that I added you to.
Starts in two minutes. And then he showed up.
And I know I couldn't go anywhere. Liking music? Liking music? Yeah.
Yeah, you've been on his ass for liking Billy Strings. Well, no, it's just funny.
It's the only musician I've ever heard Hank name. I think he only knows one musician.
No, that's not true. Name okay fair um what else there's uh dressing nice yeah yeah or well just dressing no matter how you dress dressing um we said being hungry yeah or just thinking about thinking about anyone else like thinking like you always think about other being heartfelt towards you guys you guys get mad at me for that.
Yeah. It's always it's never ulterior motives.
Not sure. You're always thinking about other people.
That's point proven. Right.
Waking up early to work out or sleeping in too late to not work. You can't exist.
Yes. Sleeping or waking.
You're not allowed to do. Now you guys are seeing.
Yeah. No, it's tough.
It's tough being you i apologize for for getting on your case ang yeah all right yeah you're a great guy i'm sorry cross i have to bear this yeah that's the expression vacations yeah if you think you're jesus that's okay not taking vacations yeah wanting to get you know wanting to relax right illegal yeah illegal and then not relaxing. And then when I'm, yeah, when you guys get me held up.
Yeah, right. Taking your medicine, not taking your medicine.
Right. Either way.
Both suck for us. People, I hope people are understanding.
Like, this is truly what I have to deal with. Truly.
Right. But also, it kind of works against you because we just described every part of your being is annoying.
In your mind. But then you're like, I want you around more, which is my entire point.
I love having you around. Which one is it? I love having you around.
I think both sides can be right in this. I think that Hank is right when he says that he can't exist, and then we're right when we say that you're just annoying.
Right. And also, at the same time- If I was really annoying, you would think you'd just cut me out.
No. I love having you around just to see how you can't exist.
I want to watch you exist to be like, no, stop doing that. Existing.
Hank's great when it's directed at somebody else. When you focus all your energy on being somebody else's problem.
I like that part. Yeah.
I love you, Hank. I love you guysank i love you guys too oh thank you you finally said it back you didn't say it back the other day in the car when we're fighting about on the way to uh what were you on the way to oh hard knocks yeah we're on the way to hard knocks and you're stalling me um all right so we are going to talk about hard knocks peter schrager the other news uh jj mccarthy has a knee injury yeah meniscus terrible loss so i think we should go to our senior meniscus correspondent max who has dealt with one or two of these in last year's max what can we expect how soon can we expect him back on the court also uh on the court yeah on the court uh also is he going to learn how to fall onto his neck as opposed to landing on his feet he doesn't he doesn't try to fall onto his neck uh he should he should probably fall to to brace impact if he were like coming down from a dunk but he's not dunking he's playing football but i'm i'm telling you what i know okay you asked me for my expertise this is my expertise yeah okay uh he could be back i'll probably be back in like two months and then it'll linger for a little bit longer.
And then he'll have like a couple good games. And then if he has one bad game, you can just blame it on the meniscus.
Yep. That's really the number one thing.
Or he's just tired. Or he's just tired.
Oh, yeah. Is he going to get fat? No, he's not fat.
He'll be like really strong, really athletic. Probably the best at his position.
Is he going to play like he's fat? No. No.
Other people would maybe say that he plays like he's fat, but he's not actually fat. He's actually really athletic.
And if he didn't have his meniscus, he would be in better shape conditionally. So he is fat.
So he will be fat. Conditioning-wise.
No, not fat, but just not as good shape as he would have been okay if he didn't tear his meniscus and it'll come back like within the next couple years like there'll always be the worry of you know the meniscus tore it could tear again it probably will tear again and it's always going to be in the back of your head and you always be like I want you know what if he didn't tear the meniscus yeah right uh shout out jj mccarthy for being a tough motherfucker because he didn't he tore his meniscus and then didn't report it until the next day yeah and he was like hey should we check this out it sucks like it just sucks he did look really good in the preseason week one yeah they have sam darnold but that's a but the Vikings. That's a denial injury.
That's like, I'm going to sleep this off and I'll be fine. Which everyone does.
The minute you get injured, especially if you're drunk and get injured, and you're like, I'm fine, and then you wake up the next day and you're like, I can't walk. That's what happened with my foot, yeah.
I just walked it off, walked home that night, and then I woke up in the morning, nano bubbles didn't do shit. But it really does suck for Vikings fans because you're excited about your new quarterback and then he should be fine long term, but it still is like if he misses two months of his rookie season, that's big.
Yeah, so I know that there are two different types of surgeries you can have on the meniscus. One is when you cut it out and the other is when you repair it, right? You sew it back together.
Yeah. And so if you cut it out, you can play on that after a couple weeks.
If you sew it back together, it takes longer to heal, but then you're better off in the long term. Right, you don't get bone on bone like D.
Wade had. Yeah, bone on bone could be an issue.
So, Max, which one did – I forget. Which player do you root for that had meniscus surgery? I don't know what you're talking about.
Oh. Was it Embiid? What kind did he have? Meniscus? I don't know.
But was it the long one or was it the cut it out and he's going to come right back? I think he said both, honestly. I don't know.
Yeah, I hope he's okay. He looked great.
Yeah, I feel bad for Vikings. It sucks.
It's a shitty thing. You've been through it before with Teddy Bridgewater.
I hope nobody threw up this time. But yeah, I hope he's okay he looked great yeah i feel bad for vikings it's a shitty thing like you've been through it before with teddy bridgewater i hope nobody threw up this time but yeah hope he's okay was was it the derrick car seven-year bump that we talked about because sam donald is in his seventh year which is crazy yep that he's been in the nfl for seven years but sam donald is now going to be the starter yeah also just a reminder that doing a fantasy draft before the end of preseason is insane.
You got to do it Labor Day weekend. It's insane.
Because Jameer Gibbs got hurt, too. Yeah, I think it was a hamstring.
Is he okay, Huey? He's going to be all right. Okay.
He's going to be great. Because I saw there was some people who were concerned about that.
But there's no worse feeling than being in preseason and getting that alert from Schefter and being like, wait, that's one of my guys? Especially if you have a rookie quarterback that you're excited about. Yeah, it sucks.
Yeah. So, sorry for Vikings fans.
Okay. Before we do our Mount Rushmore, should we take a quick look at the top 25? And we also have some breaking moves.
Breaking moves.

Henry Lockwood.

No, this is not... Person's name.

This has nothing to do with him existing, not existing, whatever.

Henry Lockwood, after doing an extensive search where he just got drunk at bars and called

it work last year, he has found his Big Ten team, which is?

The Washington Husky. Oh, wow.
So you went to a Washington bar last year? No. Oh.
I didn't declare them my Big Ten team for the record, but I am high on them. So why are they your Big Ten team? Because Belichick is a defensive coordinator.
Bill Belichick. Steve Belichick.
I knew that. Yeah.
Wait, wait. did you actually think that Bill Belichick was going to be the defensive coordinator no but you you said that earlier and you didn't like you're like Belichick's the defensive coordinator I was like you have to say Steve obviously it's obviously Bill Belichick's not the defensive coordinator I understand but you do have to say the first name in that okay Steve Belichick sorry I didn't I didn't think that I thought that was a given um Bill Belichick's not the defensive coordinator.
I understand, but you do have to say the first name in that. Okay.
Steve Belichick, sorry. I didn't think that.

I thought that was a given.

Bill Belichick was on McAfee's show yesterday or Tuesday, Monday, whatever,

and he was talking about how he's just been hanging around the team,

and as has Pete Carroll.

So the Washington Huskies have maybe the greatest coaching staff that's not an official coaching staff, but is a coaching staff of all time. Shadow coaching staff.
You've got the old dogs getting back together. It does make sense for Hank to be a Huskies fan because they combine two of your great loves before games.
They've got drinking and then they've got boats. You've got to go sailgating at some point.
I would love to. So how do you like your Huskies in the Big Ten West? Well, that's what I asked Big Cat before.
I was like, are they in the cupcake division or the hard division? And I found out that it's one division. Yeah, it's all one division.
That sucks for you guys. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. But it's expanded playoff.
My Big Ten knowledge was just like, it's Ohio State, Michigan, and then Wisconsin comes out of the cupcake. Yeah.
The Legends and Leaders conferences. So...
Oh, it's like don't change the numbers yeah they haven't changed the numbers 18 18 yeah one one conference yeah how do they decide who gets to the big 10 championship top two that's it yeah could be Michigan Ohio State playing back-to-back weekends that's cool yeah well I don't know if that's cool that that's the thing you're just Wisconsin're just I mean, you're screwed. No, no, no.
Well, no, because it's expanded playoffs so you don't have to make it to the Big Ten Championship to be in the playoff. Got it.
The situation of Ohio State and Michigan playing each other in back-to-back weekends would probably suck because both teams would then be in the playoff most likely, and then you'd have a Big Ten championship game that would mean, yes, home field advantage, but also it would kind of take a little away from the rivalry. Wait, would there be a possibility that they played three weeks in a row? I don't think they can play three weeks in a row because I don't think that's how – I don't think they would ever bracket them that way.
But the possibility exists. I don't think so because I think automatic qualifiers would get a buy.
They always get a buy? Yeah, so I don't think it can exist. But we could get three matchups between them in the same year.
Yes. That's on the table.
Yes. It's tough to beat a team three times.
Yes. It could happen in the SEC as well.
Yeah. Years that Georgia and Alabama play each other, they play each other? They could play again.
Looking at the top 25, the thing that jumps out to me is that did happen. Did Georgia and Alabama play each other three times when they played in the national title? I don't think so.
I think that was just the second time. Which year? The two-year.
I like that memes. Because they could in the SEC championship.
Yeah. They lost in the SEC championship and then won in the – Yeah, that was the Bryce Young year.
That's right. That's right.
But the thing that jumped out to me was things being just as they should be, which is Iowa at number 25. Yeah, Iowa.
They should just stay at 25. And NC State at number 24.
Yeah, yeah. That's perfect.
Those two teams, they fit there. Iowa, it doesn't matter what they do.
They should just always be number 25 yeah i would just stay at 20 and nc state at number 24 yeah yeah those two teams they fit there iowa it doesn't matter what they do they should just always be number 25 georgia one ohio state two oregon three texas four alabama five this is the year that if ryan day this is this is he's got the squad his defense is gonna be nasty if ryan day doesn't do it then the born on third stuff yeah gonna really come true. Big matchup, October 12th, Penn State, Ohio State.
Whoa. Get ready for that in November 9th.
Penn State will lose that by 10. Oh, no.
That might be Oregon, Ohio State. I think that's the matchup on October 12th.
Yeah. I mean, there's some great games.
And Washington, Iowa. Oh, yeah.
Hank, sorry. We forgot Hank was in the room.
Yeah, Hank. We got to talk about his husky.
Are there a lot of UW bars in Chicago I don't know but it's gotta be one to start one hey why don't you give us a quick win-loss for the Washington Huskies all right so they I just looked at their schedule they have they have a big pack 12 schedule is what I'm calling it okay Michigan's nine but aren't they gonna stink this year no they'll still be good still be good. But they will not be.
I will tell you this thing. They will not be in the top ten by October 5th.
Okay. Mark my words.
Call on your shot. Full card.
So that'll be a win. You just skipped to the fifth week? Well, yeah.
I mean, Rutgers, obviously a win. Northwestern, obviously a win.
Washington State rivalry game, maybe not. Wait, where's Northwestern?

Washington.

Yeah.

You would have to go to that if it was here.

I would love to go to that.

Also on a lake, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's literally this year because they're playing on the practice facility.

Their stadiums.

I mean, I probably will try and go to one of those games.

It's going to be a sick end zone cam.

I'm a sucker for water.

Iowa win.

Indiana win.

USC could be tough. Penn State win.
UCLA win. Oregon could be tough.
So undefeated in two could be toughs. At Penn State.
That doesn't matter. What if they do the whiteout? I think it is.
Wow. For Washington? That's classic Big Ten rival.
I'm just thinking, like, if you're a Penn State fan and you're like, why?

I did it for Minnesota last year.

Yeah, I guess that's it.

Hank, if I were you, I would say that's just a true mark of how respected Washington is,

where Penn State's using their whiteout on it.

It is the whiteout.

Good point.

Washington is the whiteout.

All right, maybe we'll go.

I would love to.

This is great.

We should do this content.

Yeah, content.

All right, so what's that, 10-2?

8-2?

I'm sorry. I would love to.
This is great. We should do this content.
Yeah, content. All right, so what is that, 10-2? 8-2? It was undefeated with two could-be-tough.
One, two, three. We are going to do a full college football preview in the coming weeks.
This is not it, so this is just our Washington Huskies preview. I was just looking at a list of teams and Hank talking about who's not love.
Hank's Washington Huskies that were Hank's Washington Huskies as of an hour ago. Yeah, I'm a loyal guy.
He's smitten. It's going to wear off, Hank.
What? Your love of the Huskies. Not my love of the Belichicks.
What happens when they play a late night game and Hank, he's got drinky? I'll just have to have some more drinky. I'm not a Saturday drinky guy.
Not during the football season. That's not true.
We did a bar crawl last year to look for your big 10 team. Yeah, you literally did that.
That was day drinking. And that was work.
That was also work, Max. That was work.
Sponsored. Shout out to Coors Light.
I had to do that. I had no choice.
All right. Well, I'm excited to watch Hank.
I'll tell you what. The Huskies have great colors and great gear.
They've got that to look for. Cool fans, too.
Yep. Great coaches.
Spencer Hawes. Great stadium.
Yeah, me and Spencer. You're buying this.
You're doing what every econ, because you taught us this with your econ class, buy high, sell low. Yep.
Because they just went to the national championship. They've never been as good as they are.
Yeah. He's noticing the trend in the market.
Hank's going to the moon. That's your problem, Biket.
You're selling before we're on the moon. You couldn't be.
Their mascot is awesome, by the way. It's been is awesome the worst time dubs you're just missing insane season hank get to know dubs the mascot he rocks yeah he's a good boy also the camera angle at the husky stadium is very high weirdly high wash up we should make penn state washington a rivalry yeah make a trophy hank yeah that.
You got to make a trophy. I'm down.
Okay. We'll make a trophy.
I like that though. Wash up.
Wash up. Do we have anything else before we do? We're going to do our Mount Rushmore, then we're going to do Hot Seat, Cool Terone, and get to our interviews.
Do we have anything else before we get to our Mount Rushmore? I think we'll cover it in Hot Seat, Cool Terone. Let's do our Mount Rushmore.
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Matt, AWL Matt. Thank you very much for submitting this one.
He submitted some good ones. Open-ended ones.
So, the scores as of right now, after Hank didn't cheat, he went back to losing. Isn't that interesting? Very interesting.
Max has 57 points. I have 47.
Hank has 38. PFT has 38.
We got a tie. Also, Max is talking about possibly clinching.
What's your magic number, Max? I don't know what you're talking about. You said before that you need me to win this because you would clinch.
I didn't say that. You said that verbatim.
So what is your magic number? What are you looking at, Hank? I'm looking at my bookmarks. I've never even movie hank hank and i had a bookmark off uh it's like it's a quote tweet it says show the greatest i'm about to die moment in cinema i'll start i and i i bookmarked a movie reply i've never seen this movie so that was accidental hank uh hank tweeted ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, ha, when they announced that Dan Quinn was going to be the coach of the Commanders.
Oh. I bookmarked it, and then Hank bookmarked my bookmark and said, your bookmark has now been bookmarked, and I bookmarked that.
And then Hank said, triple bookmark, no bookmark backs. Oh.
And then I bookmarked one of yours, big cat. What did you bookmark? Wait, what did you say, BFD? I was going to say somebody did an AI thick Miley Cyrus.
Oh, I know which one you bookmarked. Because you retweeted it on draft night.
No, this was 1-2-24. It says, if the Bears don't at least get to the NFC Championship game next season, you do apologize to Hank.
And you said, no, I will apologize if they miss the playoffs without any major injuries. Bookmark it.
So you to apologize to me no you have to apologize to me if they miss the playoffs without any major injuries major injuries okay but then you should have to apologize to me if they make the playoffs okay i'm i'm on the bear i'm bears over and a half wins okay uh all right so mount rushmore of soft things. Who goes first? This is a big one for the boys in the bottom.
We have

eight. Okay.
All right. So, Mount Rushmore of soft things.
Who goes first?

This is a big one for the boys in the bottom.

We have eight left.

Yeah.

Hank and I are neck and neck left.

Who goes first?

Plenty of time.

Who's up first?

You're pointing in between me and PFT.

I think it's me.

I go last.

I know that.

Okay.

So, I go first, big Cat, Hank, then Max.

Okay.

Mount Rushmore soft things.

1-1.

I don't think this is a surprise.

I'm going boobs.

Correct.

Correct 1-1.

Boobs is the correct 1-1 pick.

Yes.

Yes.

Boobs are back.

Now, Sidney Sweeney brought boobs back.

For a while, boobs were out.

Now, boobs are officially back back.

And I'm glad that they

are yes very soft good one and supple one one max hates boobs by the way boobs good pick all right now i gotta think now i gotta think that was i mean that was a lucky first i'm very thankful I got to go first.

First pick, yeah.

I was going to say Hank after a loss, but I'm not going to do that. He's got his headphones off.
Just Hank. Just Hank in general.
Okay. I'll go my 1-1.
Well, my 1-1 was boobs. A dog's ears.
There's only 1-1-1. A dog's ears.
Dog's ears. Super soft.
Okay. Yeah.
boobs A dog's ears Only 1-1-1 A dog's ears

Dog's ears

Super soft

Okay

Yeah

Get a dog's ears

Super, super soft

They're like velvety

Yeah

Yeah, they're nice

Love petting a dog's ears

Love a good dog's ear

I mean, this really doesn't even matter

Because there's no way PFT loses this draft getting boobs 1-1

No, there's a way

I'm not very good at Mount Rushmore's

Ice cream

Thank you. draft getting boobs one one there's a way i'm not very good at mount rushmore's um ice cream okay you were asking as a question is there any particular type of ice cream for the for the graphics it's this ice cream okay all right okay was that a question no i'm just i'm just that's my answer ice soft.
Okay, it's your answer. Soft serve.
That's what the correct answer should have been. Soft serve is what you would want on the graphic.
Yeah, but he said... For sure, you would prefer ice cream.
And he said, I want ice cream. But you would want soft serve on the graphic, but you said you want ice cream.
It doesn't matter. What do you mean it doesn't matter? Like, I'm going up against PFT.
What just happened where you got your computer? I don't understand why. What? You say he wins with boobs.
He wins with butt cheeks. Butt cheeks is still on the board.
Yeah, butt cheeks is there. Butt cheeks is my butt cheeks.
Yeah, but hard butt, like a firm butt cheeks. Yeah, like my butt cheeks aren't soft.
No. I'm going to grab my butt cheeks.

You'll get some bone.

Okay.

Well, I'm taking butt cheeks.

Not all butts are soft.

Yeah.

That's fair. I mean, not all boobs.

Fake boobs aren't soft.

I didn't say fake boobs.

I know.

I said boobs.

Correct.

Boobs.

Yeah, fake boobs are not soft.

Yeah.

I'm maybe the world's worst person at identifying fake boobs, too.

I'm worse.

I think every boob is real.

Yeah.

And then my next pick is going to be linemen with long sleeves okay pick good pick good pick is me yeah yeah i'm sorry i always get so confused with the draft order. Who's that? That's me.
That's me being confused. Your voice.
Wait, was that you doing an impression of yourself? I will go with cotton candy. Mmm.
Nice. Good pick.
Nice. Literally air.
Yeah. Yeah.
So soft it's air is air soft alright who's next okay my next pick I'm gonna go with going to sleep early on a bachelor party yeah big time soft move yeah I had when everyone's there together whooping it up it's soft things though that's the Mount Rushmore not soft things well it's a soft thing I had it up. It's soft things, though.
That's the Mount Rushmore, not soft food. Soft things.
Well, it's a soft thing. I had taking a night off.
Yeah, soft things. It's a soft thing.
It's a soft thing to do. Got it.
Is it not a soft thing to do? Yep. It is.
It is. If you went to sleep at 9 o'clock on the first night of a bachelor party, I'd be like, that's a soft thing to do, bro.
Yeah, it's a good pick.

Okay.

All right.

I'm going to go.

I get two, right?

Yeah.

Sorry, I get lost in drafts sometimes.

I forget where I am.

That's me doing an impression of Hank.

That's confusing, yeah.

Doing an impression of Hank.

Impression of Big Cat.

Okay.

What?

Yeah, it was an impression of you.

Me?

Hank was doing an impression of you earlier and then was being sarcastic when he said he was doing an impression of himself., and then was being sarcastic when he said

he was doing an impression of himself.

Got it.

Yeah.

What was the impression of me?

Is it my turn?

Oh, okay.

Got it.

All right.

I'm going to go with-

Sorry.

Sorry.

I get lost.

I know.

Me too.

No.

I can't exist.

We have an impression off. I can't even exist.
That's pretty good. Sorry for the listeners for that one.
That was Hank. He just yawned.
I'm going to go with calling fouls and pickup. Well, okay.
I mean, there's some times when you have to call a foul. Occasionally, but you know the type of foul I'm talking about.
Yeah. And then toilet paper.
Mm. Soft.
All right. I'll go with running out the clock in a video game when you're playing head-to-head with someone.
Mm-hmm. Like kneeling, running out the clock.
That is a soft move.

Play to win the game.

Play to have fun.

Yep.

Like just three minutes left and you just start running the ball and kneeling.

It sucks.

Soft.

What was the fuck?

Hank's just realizing that these things are better than what we've done.

No, I was going to say.

I had punting in Madden was my only like non.

But wait, Hank, I thought you said that it was supposed to be soft things.

I'm going to go with puppies.

Okay.

I had puppies.

I did too.

It's a great pick.

I took puppies off because he said dog's ears.

Yeah, but it's a great pick.

Yeah, it's way different.

It's a good pick.

Way different.

Good job.

I'm going to go with Ben Simmons. Good pick.
Good pick. Now this next one.
I'll go soft pretzel. Oh, good one.
But is it soft? It's got crunchy salt on there. It's got a little crust on it.
I do love a good soft pretzel. I love a soft pretzel, but I wouldn't say that's the soft thing.
I want you to... Can you name what I just said? Soft pretzel.
It's literally in the name. That means that it's softer than a normal pretzel.
Kind of like yellow cheddar cheese? I'll wait for after. What? Is there not yellow cheddar cheese? Yeah, there is.
What? Say it. I don't want to give...
I'm done. I don't want to give anyone...
Say it, pussy. Soft cheese is a thing.
I was going to say soft cheese. I was going between soft...
What color? Breeze or soft cheese. I was just going to say soft cheese.
Okay. Hank.
You got to speak over here, he's not he's just thinking he's he's i don't know what he's doing i have a pick you wouldn't thought of you you haven't thought of and uh i don't i'm still debating whether it i think it will look bad on a graphic but it's also the softest thing in the world. Wearing.
He doesn't know where the sentence is going. Matching outfits with your significant other.
Oh, nice. You think that's soft? Yeah.
I kind of like it when they do that in airports, though. It's like we're a team.
No. Okay.

I have a pick.

I think it's going to ruin my draft, but it's also like...

To a family party.

That wasn't finished.

I think it's going to ruin my...

That sounds very personal.

I think it's going to ruin my draft.

I was trying to get creative.

That was just like you were just coming up on the fly. It was free ball.
Yeah. All right, my last pick.
It is the softest thing in the entire world, but I'm afraid that I'm going to get criticized by the AWLs, but that's fine. I'm going to do it because I have to stay true to myself no pander pics like max i'm surprised he didn't do meatball um a newborn skin is literally the softest thing in the world how's that gonna look on the graphic probably not good but i don't care because i have to stay true to myself yeah if you've ever touched a newborn skin it's fucking insane it's like did you want to say baby's bottom, but that didn't mean...
No. No, because a newborn skin, like their hands, their everything.
Their head, everything is like the softest thing you've ever felt. I had baby hair on my list.
Baby hair is very soft. Isn't that a saying? Baby's...
Smooth. Smooth.
Smooth. Okay.
You do have that. You have asses.
Yep. Every ass.
Not... No baby ass.
I really fucked myself there, but... Alright, so you have butt cheeks yep every ass not not no baby ass i really fucked myself there but all right so you have butt cheeks parentheses not baby ass yeah butt cheeks above the age of 18 yeah i i probably fucked myself there but uh if the if the parent listeners of this show come through for me because that it is a fact it's the softest thing in the world I mean you're good it doesn't matter why it's a two horse race if you got boobs with 1-1 there's nothing you can do you just took wearing matching outfits with your significant other to a family function so that's soft you don't think you have any part in this at all I still still can't believe you didn't say soft serve.
It was right there. Soft serve was right there.
It took the hardest of all the ice cream. I put it on a cone for you, Hank.
I said, is there any particular type? Whatever. I'm ready to play NCAA.
Okay. All right.
Well, we don't know if it's a hat. Oh, that's true.
Yeah. All right, PFT, your last pick.
Okay.

My last pick, I'm going to take, I'm going to run the football.

I'm going to say pillows.

Nobody took pillows.

I had it on there.

Pillows is like the softest thing in the world.

I like a hard pillow.

I like one hard pillow, one soft pillow.

Same.

Okay.

What got left off?

Billy Football's hands.

Yes.

Yeah.

Soft hands. That's a good pick.

Inside of a sweatshirt.

Marshmallows.

Like a new sweatshirt.

Marshmallows is good.

Jello.

I should have said soft cheese.

Why did you go marshmallow?

Mashed potato.

I'm upset I didn't say soft cheese.

A velour jumpsuit.

I had velour.

Yeah.

Your dick after you've been drinking.

Jellyfish.

Butter. I almost went Ben Simmons you've been drinking? Jellyfish.
Butter?

I almost went Ben Simmons, Carson Wentz back to back.

No, because butter, there's nothing worse.

I feel like probably over half the time in a restaurant they give you rolls with hard butter.

Me?

Yeah, what did you say?

I almost went Ben Simmons, Carson Wentz back to back.

Butter, yeah, no, I agree.

The hard butter is the worst. I had going home before midnight in college.
Yeah. Playing beer pong with water and a side beer.
Yeah. I think that happened after when I was in college, but I've seen people do that, and that's the softest fucking thing I've ever seen.
Throwing flags on taunting. Yeah.
NFL taunting rules. Blocking people on Twitter during an argument.
I understand people block people on twitter but like when someone will get in an argument and then just block the person when like they're about to reply that's the softest thing in the world blocking people on twitter probably should have been taken that would that would look really good on the thing yeah uh apologizing yep kind of soft never i never apologize kickers when they have to make a tackle. Yep.
Kneeling in the first half with timeouts in your pocket. I think that's soft.
McVay. 45 seconds left.
McVay. Fucking run a play.
McVay. Hitting a guy after you gave up a home run to him.
Did he pimp the home run? It's soft, though. Unwritten rules.
Don't strike him out next time. Respect the rules.
Strike him out. Not betting on the Super Bowl.
Soft. Yeah.
Or, like, not having an opinion on the Super Bowl. Soft.
Telling on someone. Yeah.
Getting mad about hard knocks. Yeah.
I said getting mad about not talking on the podcast after you lose a game, even though your teams have won more championships than everyone else. That's a good one.
Yeah. When you get one little loss.

Talking on the podcast.

And then you just shut up.

And then all over.

And you literally only talk when your team wins, which they do a lot.

Yeah.

You still can't.

Not filling out a March Madness bracket.

That is soft.

Emailing your professor after they, after emailing a random person's professor after

they make fun of you online.

Yeah.

And asking them if they'll kick you out of class because you made a joke about branding.

Actually, though, Reveille... After emailing a random person's professor after they make fun of you online.
Yeah, and asking them if they'll kick you out of class because you made a joke about branding.

Actually, though, Ravel also has the hardest move when he put JFK's headshot in fucking 8K at like 8 in the morning.

Yeah.

Hank, do you have any honorable mentions, by the way?

Yeah.

Hank, what are your honorable mentions?

Hank went, he tapped out on his draft. What the fuck are you talking about? What do you got? I gave them all marshmallows, jello, mashed potatoes, velour, jellyfish.
Jellyfish? Max, you don't fucking listen. Huey, do you have the best of the rest? Cake.
Oh, yeah. That was the only thing I was thinking about.
That was Max's pick. Soft serve cake or ice cream?

Yeah, Max took asses already.

Any cake.

All cake is soft cake.

Do you have any honorable mentions, Max?

Oh, bunny rabbit.

I was ripping them.

Shit.

Oh, sorry.

Bunny rabbit is pretty good.

I said soft cheese.

I said kickers when they have to make a tackle.

You would have loved that pick.

Jankowski.

Do you have any honorable mentions, Big Cat?

Yeah, I do.

What about you?

I already gave him.

Getting mad at your co-hosts because you're so annoying

and they're just so annoyed with you existing.

Hank.

That could have been a good pick.

Just Hank.

Yeah, missing breakfast and then making everybody's life round in hell. Complaining about Mount Rushmore every season.
Every Mount Rushmore season and then cheating on the rules that you gave out. Someone tweeted at me.
I don't know if it's true or not. They said that you have been on record saying your wife helped you with picks before.
Which one was it? Which wife? that's also that's also in the yeah i've gotten in trouble for picks also that's in the family that you can't you can't put us in jail right i don't know you went outside the family i don't know how that works yeah i'm pretty sure you can't uh pro you can't can you not if you're if your significant other has to take the stand against you, isn't there the privilege? Yeah. So thrown out.
Well, wait, Adriana went through that when she tried to go to that lawyer. They weren't married.
They weren't married yet. She was thinking about getting married so she wouldn't have to testify.
But if it's... And then Silvio killed her.
But if you're... Yeah.
No. And that drove her out to that exit, and she didn't know what was going to happen.
The example that I said when I said I did talk to people about pics was I was getting

chirped by someone on Saturday for my sandwich draft.

And I was like, shut up, dude.

Wait, in real life?

Yes.

And I was like, like at a party.

Yes.

It was someone I know.

It was someone I know.

But oh, your fucking sandwich draft, dude, sucked.

And I was like, all right, then fucking genius.

Like, let's hear some steroid users. And they go, uh, Barry Bonds, uh, Lance Hart.
They gave me nothing. Man in the arena.
And I came in dead last. It's man in the arena.
And that's what I said. Yeah.
That's fair. But you also, the difference is she has maybe helped me with a pick or two.
You said that Liam gave you all your picks for the pizza draft. Well, that was also in a different, that was a tainted era when you guys were.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

it was pre-tainted.

It was pre-tainted.

Yeah.

You tainted it before.

That was our point for this whole discussion on Monday.

Your big claim about Mount Rushmore season.

All right, spoiler alert, I suck at Mount Rushmore's and I just complained to try and mask it.

I've also proven the taint wrong this year.

That was a hard move by you, admitting that. Yeah, I'm mad.
Did you just apologize? No, he just admitted that everything. He copped everything.
I tried to muddy the water. I actually always respect that in a TV show or a movie where the guy that's on the stand gets so pissed off at the prosecutor that they just admit to massive crime.
That happened in the Young Thug trial.

Yeah.

I said he's like, yeah, we went up and did that shit, like talking about a shooting.

And then was like, well, you told me nothing I could say would get used against me in court,

right?

No, that was big of Hank.

He literally just admitted to it all.

Yeah, it's hard.

He just said he sent it all out.

Hard Hank.

That was a hard move by you.

I just got a call back from Rossini. let's see what she has to say to memes is this diana rossini uh yes this is diana rossini who am i with? Hey, Diana, this is part of my take.
Earlier today, memes said that you were on the air. You left the tape.
Earlier today, memes said that you were a system Florio at this point for your reporting on Hassan Reddick. Do you have any comment to him? I think that memes needs to understand that Mike Florio, Diana Rossini, Tom Pellicero, Adam Schefter, Ian Rappaport do not make the decisions for the New York Jets.
New York Jets make the decisions for the New York Jets. So while he does not like the messenger of the news, it's not our fault.
So I would say sorry, but I'm not really sorry. Okay.
I think that's fair. Memes, do you have any retort? Nope.
All right, he doesn't have retort. You put him in a body bag.
I bodied him. Good job, Diana.
All right, maybe he should follow me on Twitter, and I can give him more gents. Oh, wow.
So you don't even follow her on Twitter, and you're complaining about her tweets. Huh.
That's soft. That's soft.
Wow, that is soft. That's real soft.
Shut up. He's soft.
Oh, yeah. We talked about the Italian angler.
I think he's got some self-loathing. Yeah, something's soft.
Wow, that is soft. That's real soft.
He's soft.

Oh, yeah.

We talked about the Italian angler.

I think he's got some self-loathing.

Yeah, something's wrong.

It's basically if your name ends in a vowel, memes doesn't like you.

So I'm never going to forget this.

That's true.

Okay.

Well, thank you, Dinah.

Okay.

Hi, Max.

Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

That was soft by memes.

Right, Hank?

Very soft.

Insanely soft memes. All right.
Let's do hot seat cool throw. That was a great Mount Rushmore, guys.
More open-ended ones if anyone wants to tweet them at us. Those are the fun ones.
Yep. Because Hank just always goes with the most literal definition of it.
Well, no, he gets mad at us for exploring the other options when he also has those other options. I told you, I'm bad.
A lot of my anger is just directed at myself through you guys. Hank, do you want me to help you with Mount Rushmore? I mean, again, the sanctity of this whole contest has been...
We're tied in last place, Hank. Not anymore.
You're not out of it. yeah yeah boobs are great it's pretty nice uh okay convenient yeah very convenient although i'm the one who came up with it so not convenient but you knew the order no idea you're also doesn't you're i also don't know the order anytime you're in the clear i don't know the order you just made fun of big cat for never knowing the order yeah you said i don't know the order money in the water you don't know how the order of like who's picking when oh god all right yeah so how would i rig it if i don't know the order.
It's muddy in the water. No, you don't know how the order of who's picking when.
Oh, got it.

All right, yeah, yeah.

So how would I rig it if I don't know the order day to day?

Maybe you're playing the long game.

Kaiser Soze of the order?

They never caught on for me to finish second place?

Hank just lives life as devil's advocate.

That is unfortunate.

I've got this mastermind, and somehow my mastermind has me 11 points down from max. It doesn't, but it just can't come in last, which I could still know.
Okay, let's do my win. Hank, sometimes you think that you're going to lose and you end up winning.
You can't beat boobs. It's true.
It's a fact. Boobs are a great quote card.
Okay. Hot seat.
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Hank, hot seat, cool throw. My hot seat is, probably going to mess his pronunciation out, Hapaul Tel Aviv basketball team.
Okay. Our co-worker, they just signed Pat Bev, big contract signing, off-season for them.
He was on his own podcast, Pat Bev Show, Barstool Sports. With Roan.
With Roan. Apologies.
And he said, if a bomb goes off, I'm gone. When talking about playing in Tel Aviv.
So, like, they got to. Check the forecast.
They got to worry about their whole country's bullshit if they want to keep Pat Pev. I feel like.
Maybe he makes peace happen. I feel like that's not an unreasonable position to take, though.
No, it's not. And maybe Israel's like, well, we want this team to do well.

He also said most of our EuroCup games are in Bulgaria.

Oh.

They should sign Zion.

Wait.

That would be a good fit.

Is he in where are the regular season games?

I don't know.

If a bomb goes on off, I'm gone.

He could say that about any team, though.

If a bomb went

off at a bucks game he's probably gone too right like in dead yeah yeah no like he's out yeah uh he might stay he might stay yeah he's got that dog okay good hot seat my cool throat's tom brady why?

he's joining YouTube

he's joining YouTube

what? Okay. Good hot seat.
My cool throat's Tom Brady. Why? He's joining YouTube.
He's joining YouTube? What? He made a YouTube channel. He's going to start posting vlogs.
He's about to take over. He's joining.
Okay. I thought he was on the board of directors.
I mean, he probably will be soon enough. True.
Raider Tom Brady? Raider owner Tom Brady. Yeah.
Speaking of videos, disc golf video with Jimmy Tatro is out now. Yes.
I may have taken mushrooms before. I mean, if Tom Brady starts making disc golf videos, we're in trouble.
We're screwed. So you're going to do the Bryson thing? Just breaking 50 on golf? Disc golf? Content creator, breaking 50 but years old playing in the NFL? Oh.
For the Raiders? It'd be a great series. Yeah.
All creator, breaking 50, but years old, playing in the NFL.

Oh.

For the Raiders.

Great series.

Yeah.

All right, PFT, your hot seat, Cool Trump.

My hot seat is the Big Justice family.

So I just found out who this family was yesterday.

Costco guys.

Costco guys.

Is what they're more known for.

Yeah, they're the Costco.

Right.

Yeah.

So I've seen them. I've seen them, but I've opted out of them.
And I'm sure that you guys have been through that over the years. Yeah.
You see something that pops up online, a trend, and you're like, I'm going to opt out of it. I learned about them.
I don't want to be a hater. You fucked up.
Well, you can hate them, but the Rizzler's electric. Yeah.
Which one's the Rizzler? The little guy. Okay.
So apparently they're on the hot seat because I'm hearing that the dad had this arranged.

He's been trying to go viral for years and years and years.

Yeah, he is.

Am I certainly getting it right?

Pretty much every person who ends up going viral probably was trying.

Is that the only problem that people have with it?

There's rumors that maybe there's something else.

I hope not.

I just saw someone being like, we're going to cancel Big Justice. Please don't.
Leave Big Justice alone. So they do the Costco guys.
They do the boom or doom scale, right? Yeah, no. I mean, it's terrible internet, but I like it.
What's what have they done? Doom. Do they ever do doom or is it always boom? Yeah.
Their cousin made a pizza with like a bunch of like gross shit on it and they doomed it they doomed that one yeah i need to well i just found out who they are so i'm like experiencing them for the first time just start just go to the rizzler just go to the rizzler they're fascinating the rizzler's electric how many booms what's the scale uh it's just a boom boom and then they can sometimes double boom but i thought it was more i thought it could, five, six booms. Sometimes they do the and they'll add a bunch of buzz before.
Because it sounds like the ball scale. Boom.
No, it's really just boom or doom. Okay, just one boom or one.
It's binary. Hank doesn't like them.
No, he's very upset. Costco guys can't exist.
Sometimes they'll go to a place and they'll pick between two items. Yeah.
And they're supposed to boom or doom one of the items, but then they kind of end up booming both of them. And they'll sometimes have the Sam Club guys on who are Indian father and son.
Yeah. That's kind of cool.
See, Hank, it's like trips into bloods getting together. I'm starting to think that Hank has a little anti-Italian discrimination with him.
No, I mean, listen, anyone can do their thing. I'm happy that they're popular.
I usually don't share my hater opinions. Would you like it more if they were on a golf course doing golf videos? It's not really my issue.
It's not with them. I do think it's like an internet hive mind personality where people are like, oh, these guys are electric.
They're so funny. Like, they're not.
Well, it's like people see other people saying they like them and then they it's like it's like a hive mind brain rot like oh can i this is the flavor of the month we love these guys throw something out there no you don't so there's this thing called irony i don't but no i think i think that there's like there's that section of the world where people understand irony and there's just like the sheep that are like, oh, yeah, we fucking love Big Justice. I think it's like a lot of things on the internet where it might be fun to watch, but then when you find yourself explaining what it is, you start to like it less when you explain what it is because you realize it.
Dude, don't do that to the Rizzler. I like the Rizzler, I guess.
The Rizzler did nothing wrong. No, he didn't.
It's 400 foot bucks. No, the Rizzler is funny.
And what's Little Justice? I have no issue with Little Justice. The Rizzler does sick bike tricks.
Yeah, he does. Have you seen the bike tricks? No, I'm talking about the boom guys.
He did a video where he said he was going to do five bike tricks, and then he came back, he did one, and he was like,

I kind of ran out of time.

No, the other ones were too dangerous.

The other ones were too dangerous.

Which, I mean, practicing, showing safety is good on the internet.

Yeah, it is.

That's a good point, Max.

I appreciate that.

I didn't know that this was going to have such a spirited conversation around it.

Well, Hank's a hater.

That's okay.

Yeah.

Not publicly, except for this. And the Colts kid? Yeah, just about to say you hate that you hate that was a raw reaction it was bad i didn't realize that the course of that are it's the same as our god is an awesome guy yeah i love seth with flow he stole that from church and seth with flow saw it and everyone commented he was like thanks to uh part of my take for shouting out.
And all the comments were like, Hank's such a hater. We'll get him.
Yeah. I don't want to be a hater.
This is just like, I see this shit and I don't like it. I'm going to give you a doom.
What do you want me to say? I'm going to give your attitude today a doom. Yeah.
Yeah, that's fine. Double doom.
Okay, I'll try and watch some more. I'll come around.
I liked it. They did the Los Polos.
The problem is the only thing you like is golf videos.

Your only idea is mini golf.

No, that's a stolen joke.

Yeah, well, it was a good joke because it's true.

Yeah, it was a good joke.

You didn't make it.

Los Polos is a street runner.

That gets a boom.

Him and his dad.

His dad said the same thing.

He's like, who the fuck are these?

He's like another Italian kid. He's like, who the fuck are these guys? Started talking shit, and then everyone was like, the Rizzler's going to get you.
The Rizzler's going to get you. Then they all did a stream together.
That was funny. That was funny.
It remade the Bronx tale. It was like five minutes long.
Again, I think the more you explain words, the less I like it. Yes.
I just want to watch the videos and smile. Yeah.
It's not me, but that's fine. It's the internet.
It's supposed to be do you everyone do you yeah i'm not i'm not like i'm not saying because i think one way you should but yes he's been trying to go viral for a very long time he was he was a former uh uh independent wrestler oh that's awesome yeah so he's he's got this in him he's about that content yeah like the people who found his early videos like't realize he was also a wrestler going on the independent circuit. Yeah.
You tell me an independent circuit wrestler wants to make money going viral online? No duh. Yeah, I mean, sometimes when you're an inventor, it takes you a few dud inventions until you get something awesome.
People laughed at Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs.
They fired him from Apple. Got fired.
Then he took a loan

and then he came back and crushed him.

Hank would have been such a Steve Jobs hater.

Oh my god.

Biggest. Because he doesn't golf.

That's the problem.

Hank's only YouTube videos are golf.

If I went to your

algorithm right now. There's one

other thing.

Boops?

What? Billy Strengths. Oh, yeah.
Hit the line, Billy Strings. Imagine if Billy Strings did a golf video.
Good, good. Great.
Yeah. Billy Strings, come on the show.
Do a video with us. Okay.
Your cool throne? My cool throne is chess controversies. Have you guys heard of the chess another butt plug uh no this is it's different it's much more sinister than the butt plug there's a russian grandmaster i think she is she was competing in a tournament against her opponent who's from dagestan and before the tournament they caught her on camera she snuck into the room went up to the board that they were about to play and smeared something on her opponent's pieces and on her side of the board and then her opponent got deathly sick oh almost died oh so they went back they reviewed the footage it turns out that she sprayed mercury onto her side of the chessboard and almost killed her opponent holy shit so there's no butt plug stuff in chess now now hardcore they're actually trying to trying to kill each other.
Yeah. It's almost like Belichick stuff.

That's very hardcore. Belichick mate.
Okay, my hot seat. This happened late Sunday after we recorded, but Matt Kuchar, what a dickhead.
What a douchebag. The worst.
What do you do? Oh, Hank's going to defend him. Nice.
Okay. I like this.
It's spicy. The Wyndham Championship, there were – so they had bad weather Thursday and Friday.
They had to fit in a bunch of rounds on Saturday and Sunday. The course – the grounds crew did an incredible job.
They got the whole thing in. Matt Kuchar was in 12th place.
Didn't mean anything for the FedEx Cup. Didn't mean anything for pretty much anything.
Hits into the group and head of him on 18 and then just picks up his ball and leaves and says it's too dark and came back on Monday to finish half a hole while everyone else had finished. So made people come back and sit there.
It was actually very funny watching everyone clap. Douchebag move by him.
Did he make his putt? I think he got the exact score he was going to get. He got a par.
He stayed at 12. So he two-putted.
So Hank? No, he was like halfway up the fairway when he came back. Okay.
Hank, you're defending him. I'm not defending him because Matt Kuchar is a documented scumbag.
He won a tournament. He had like a fill-in caddy.
He won like I think a million and a half or $200 or something. Paid his caddy like five grand.
Yep. I remember that.
And there's been some other examples of him being a scumbag. So I think in this case, it probably is just him being a scumbag.
But I did see a golf journalist who had a thread breaking down why he might have been doing it, basically saying that he was in the last group and the person he was playing with had a four-shot lead. He had to play in the dark.
He kind of blew his lead. And the group in front of them was playing super, super slow all day.
There's a couple long videos of the guy who won, I think Rye, the two-glove guy, taking like four minutes on putts, like taking forever, and that Kuchar was basically standing up for the guy who lost the lead, but he didn't say it, which is obviously not just for his defense. And also, didn't that guy finish? He chose to finish, but Kuchar was saying he was going through the motions.
He didn't say this, but this is what the guy was saying,

that maybe he was just trying to set an example of, like,

the guy should have been playing faster in front of them.

You've got to take a stand.

But that's not it.

How is that taking?

I don't know how that takes a stand for the guy he's playing with.

If the guy he's playing with was like, oh, good call, Matt Kuchar.

I'll come back Monday, too.

I understand.

Well, at that point, he was already out of the league.

He already had lost. Sounds like he's taking him being a jerk and twisting it into here's why i'm actually a hero did matt kuchar write this article that you read hank no and he his the other point he said the other point he said the other point that he said was that if matt kuchar had just come out and said all this instead of doing the little coy shit people probably would have had his back but he didn't that's true if he had if he had been like public about why he was doing that ahead of time i'm i'm looking back now at the caddy controversy where he paid his caddy five grand and then later on uh kuchar said that mcelroy cost him three hundred thousand dollars due to the two-point advantage in their season-long fedex cup race and then uh rory said and we all know what that money means to him So apparently it's cheap.
Super cheap and like a documented kind of scumbag. Maybe.
How about this? Flights, they're cheaper on Mondays. True.
But he had to stay an extra day. Way cheaper.
But he had to stay an extra day. PGA Tour had a funny tweet because they do like the, you know, every shot from like Brooks Koepa winning the U.S.
Open or whatever, and they show a a million shots they did every shot from matt kuchar's finish monday morning and it was just three shots oh i love that yeah there's like a couple random people clapping um okay and then my cool throne is uh trump's comedic bone because he did the elon musk uh twitter space and uh listen we don't get political this podcast, but the telling the retelling of the high stakes stare down with Putin was one of the hardest times I've ever laughed. I'll play it for you.
This is his telling of Putin and Trump negotiating the start of a war and what was going to happen. and again i said to vladimir putin i said don't do it.
You can't do it, Vladimir. You do it.
It's going to be a bad day. You cannot do it.
And I told him things that what I do, and he said, no way. And I said, way.
That's it. I mean, that's fucking funny.
That's what all negotiations are, by the way. No way.
That's the subtext to every negotiation ever. Way.
Just say way and walk away. No way.
Yeah. It's a five-year-old response.
He got him with. Yeah.
Way. Deep down inside, we are all five-year-olds.
Yes. Yes.
No way. Way.
Okay. Huey.
My hot seat. the WNBA.
Oh, okay. I got a real story here.
This one is legit. So there's a woman by the name of De'Erica Hamby.
She was on our three-by-three women's basketball team. Okay.
She is in a little dispute right now with the league of the WNBA and the Las Vegas Aces. Oh.
So I'll give you the rundown before I give you the headline. Okay.
That's how it usually goes. Yep.
When you read an article, yeah. In June 2022, she signed a contract extension.
In July 2022, she got pregnant. Okay.
And then what comes out afterwards a baby well she she she alleges that in the following months that the Las Vegas aces were quote-unquote unhappy with her and she uh she's alleging that they uh were they so essentially in the contract she had she was supposed to have team provided housing and she was supposed to have team-provided housing, and she was supposed to have school tuition for her daughter's private elementary school. She had an older kid.
Older daughter, yeah. Yeah.
And she is alleging that the Vegas Aces did not give her that on top of the fact that they essentially wanted to trade her and wanted to push her out because she signed a big enough contract that they said was enough for two to three players. You know, the contract was a big enough contract.
She's averaging 20 points, 10 rebounds right now. She's doing very well.
But the contract essentially, they essentially wanted a few different players for contract, is what Las Vegas is saying. Wait, read us the headline.
Wait, so the Las Vegas Aces, they're owned by who again? What football player has an ownership stake in them, Big Cat? Tom Brady. Yeah, that's interesting, because this doesn't sound like something Tom Brady would do to a pregnant woman, kick her out.
Read us the headline. So the official headline is? She is essentially that the.
Oh, I got it right here. Sparks, D'Erica, Hamby, Suze, WNBA, Aces, Alleging Discrimination.
I think you should have read the headline first. I don't know.
It's kind of unorthodox. Well, hear me out.
So this is the second time they're going into an investigation. The first time the Las Vegas Aces lost their 2025 first-round pick.
For a pregnant lady? For a pregnant woman. Whoa.
So essentially, and she's saying that the WNBA did not do a good enough job. So essentially, they're going back.
She wants them to go back and go through all that. And also have to pay for her money, the money she lost, her lawyer fees, all that extra stuff.
Yeah, which they should do. Which stuff that also, this would never happen in the NBA.
Correct. Oh, yeah, because you can't get pregnant.
Can you imagine if male football players could get pregnant and you're psyched about the upcoming season? Yeah. And then you find out Jalen Hurts is going to have a kid, so he's going to be out all season? Yeah.
Yeah. That would suck.
The discourse that would surround the league? Yeah. Yeah, and essentially that's why the Aces, in her words, are saying why they weren't happy with her.
Yeah. Because they signed this big contract.
And she got pregnant. She gets pregnant a month later.
Well, that's not... It's not her fault.
Yeah, you should be able to get pregnant. Yeah.
I agree. You should get pregnant when you want to get pregnant.
That's fair. And sometimes you don't plan it.
Yeah. And it was literally a month after.
People be fucking. Yeah.
Started having sex once she got a big paycheck yeah that's true to celebrate true yeah yeah paycheck

yeah paycheck sex guys love money yeah we love chicks with money all right and your cool throne on my cool throne the dallas cowboys oh they are the first league franchise in uh i think u.s sports to pass surpass the 10 billion dollar evaluation good i mean no more no one's got more money than jj yeah and i love these lists they're kind of like the um the u.s news news and world top ranking of colleges yeah where it's like none of this it's all made up every school has been at least rumored to be one of the top 10 party schools in the yes and every school is also like they're the small Ivies, the public Ivies. Yeah.
But the price is what it sells for. Yeah.
The price is the price. Yeah, I don't know.
They say that he could sell the team for $10 billion. But again, it doesn't matter if no one wants to buy it for $10 billion.
I think Jerry Jones would buy the team right now for $10 billion for himself. Yeah.
How come they can't pay dac and cd then that's a good point that's a good point should be able to future should be able to take a mortgage some of it yeah yeah yeah take a second mortgage out uh okay let's get to our interviews we got peter schreger we're going to talk a little hard knocks and then we have mickey hart and wright thompson pft you got a couple words before that yes before we get to our interviews with uh peter strager i want to talk to you about my favorite people in the entire world my favorite sunglasses for sure and that would be shady rays shady rays they're the best sunglasses it's sunglasses season i hope you've got your shady rays but it's not too late to get them right now they've got the best warranty in the business if you don't love them send them right back they're going to get you a new one uh they've got these brand new rival collections and they are aggressive they're awesome sunglasses big single lens they've got the premium stool and stars barstool lens etch etch on them uh they're barstool blue you can check them out i was driving the el camino wearing my my rivals the other day felt badass it's just a good look it's a good look for the summer. If you're looking for something more casual, the classics are also getting the barstool treatment.
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And now here's Peter Schrager. Okay, we now welcome on our good, good friend.
Two times in a week because he did join us on the Grit Week van for the Mount Rushmore of Yellow. You got an insight into the madness that is part of my take.
It is Peter Schrager. He has the Hard Knocks podcast.
He has Good Morning Football. He's a reporter on Fox.
He does everything. Does anyone ever call you the Schragermeister? No, I like that.
Nice cold glasses Schragermeister. Can I show you what else I am? Yeah.
Possession of this book. Is that me? This is the Aaron Rodgers unauthorized biography.
I got a copy. I'm flipping through it.
I'm about 100 pages in. Let's go.
I love that. On the Bears.
Before we start, we should just address this was a win tonight for the three old guys sitting right here. We're not going to rub it in because it is live now on Max, but there was a delay getting the Hard Knocks episode up and I know that PFT and I have been belittled, ridiculed, mocked for years now because we refused to cut the cord.
Tonight was our Super Bowl because we got to watch Hard Knocks live and everyone else was mad about an app. So credit to us, guys, for never giving up.
We did it. We did it, guys.
I knew this time would come and it's interesting. You call it the Superbowl.
I thought of it more like training camp. This is like training camp for football season, especially college football season.
When you know that there will be certain apps out there that aren't going to work on Saturday and you're going to need these reps in the preseason to know that you need a redundancy plan in place. You need to know that you have good old fashioned cable, nothing wrong with it.
Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. So just let's use this opportunity to get better.
I pay $200 plus a month to a cable provider every single month. I barely even turn on the TV, but it's all in preparation for this moment.
I think it's akin to, you know, you see that Michael Rubin fanatics white party and like those who are in the know are there and they're all partying and we're all on the outside looking in, watching all of these Bears media members be like, does anyone have HBO? And like just us like taking photos of it and like doing selfies. Like I felt like we were at the party and they were all on the outside looking in.
It felt pretty good. I've said it before, but I have a dear friend who cut the cord.
It was probably like eight years ago, or maybe it was like six years ago, and I was over his house for the USC Ohio State, whatever bowl game they were playing in, and his stream kept on buffering, and I had a lot of money on the game. And it was at that moment that I was like, I always have to have a backup plan.
I know this is going to cost me too much money, but I don't care. I have to be able to watch my sports live.
And tonight we won. So Schrager, it was actually a great episode.
It felt like they got back to football. It was like – and they spread the ball around.
Last – first episode was a lot of Iberflus. Tonight was like, you know, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunze.
We have DJ Moore moment, Jonathan Owens. So you watched these before, right? Do you get these before us? I get them like a few hours before they go live so I can do them.
And then I get,

then I interview a guest each week.

So the first week I interviewed Urlacher who was amazing.

And then this week I just got off the phone with Ryan Poles who has also seen

the episode and the GM and I were talking back and forth about it a little

bit.

And to your point,

the first week was a lot of setting up characters.

Here's Ibra Floos' glow up.

We're going to talk about his Ryan Reynolds hair.

This week we get Jalen Johnson and we get Keenan Allen going at it one-on-one at practice, actual football and great access that we don't typically get to see when we just have the shaky cam footage from training camp where someone's watching from like the crowd. It was awesome.
And then it sounds like Keenan Allen was conceding that, you know, yeah, this guy's been beating me all practice. Like this guy had the best of me.
So Bears offense gets a lot of press. But like this was the episode for the Bears defense.
I know it was. And so I have to ask everyone should go listen to your Hard Knocks podcast.
But can you tell us what maybe a quick summary of what Ryan Poles is feeling? I mean, I love him. But where's he at mentally with this team? Yeah, there was a quick little moment in the beginning of the episode where he's talking to Ian Cunningham, who is kind of his number two in Chicago.
And he's like, have you noticed that Caleb's getting a little better on film? Like he's picking it up a little bit, the rhythm, and he's like, uh-huh. So he was talking about it every single day.
Like Caleb's picking up things that he didn't have the day before. He's picking up coverages that he didn't see week one now in week two, but I thought it was great.
I was like, I kind of liked Caleb in episode one because for that rookie show, you can go up there and you can be like, here's my college fight song or like, here's my favorite like new hip hop song. Instead, Caleb comes out, he's horrible singing John Legend's Ordinary People and like, they're throwing shit at him and he just gets the piss taken out of him.
And he's smiling and he's laughing. And he's an equal with Tyson Bajin to Austin Reed and Brett Rippin.
And you're like, I like this guy. So I'm like, you have to like that.
And he's like, no, dude, that's Caleb. He has never been an entitled guy.
He comes right in. He's one of the guys.
And he's like, if you think he's shitty singing, you've got to see him golf. And the best part about it is he's a horrible golfer but like he comes out there and he like takes the swings and like is not as not scared a lot of these athletes have too much pride like caleb's like i suck at golf i'm gonna play and i don't care and that's the ultimate confidence so like they're all happy it's going well yeah yeah it does seem like like they're pretty happy with him i wonder if poles would have done the podcast the podcast, if Caleb Williams hadn't played that well in preseason week one,

because like we got to see him go out there and do stuff that only a couple

people can do in the NFL with his arm.

And so he's like,

yeah,

probably a little bit of relief from Ryan polls.

Like,

okay.

I,

at least I know I'm not a complete moron for taking this guy.

I did get this booked on Sunday night.

So that does,

that does make sense.

The game was Saturday. I, one last thing on polls.
I thought it was interesting because a lot of these guys clam up when it's not like football. I was like, you were in Kansas city when they drafted my home, but you were also in Kansas city when they drafted Kelsey.
Like, would you have ever thought he's like, what? He's like, no, I would have never thought like at that time that Kelsey would get through his rookie year. He was crazy.
He's like, that's why we love Travis because Andy Reid found a way to make it work.

And he said that he and Kelsey saw each other before a game last year.

And the two of them did the Paul Rudd, Sean Evans meme of, look at us.

And he's like, I'm a GM.

And he's like, and I'm dating the number one pop star in the world.

And it's like the two of them had a huge embrace.

And I'm like, all right.

So Paul has a personality.

He was pretty cool.

Yeah, he is.

Other quick hitters because we have some questions, schrager about the rest of the nfl uh and we don't want to do all bears but um these are just notes i took down pft so you can you can add in anywhere yeah uh i love that they're scouting the refs that was pretty cool craig roll strad i believe that i believe that gentleman's name is harry freed i go deep the kid who is talking to caleb and it's like look he's a he's an athletic director in seattle and and this is what he does you're going to see him once a week like that's how deep this is i've never seen that before that was cool yeah that was very cool uh private investigators for the refs it's smart yeah yeah i loved uh seeing the scene at the museum of ice cream just because i've been to the museum of Ice Cream three times, both in New York City and Chicago. I didn't know.
Is that like a chain? It is. I took my kid to New York.
He's a history buff. Well, listen, you go to the one in New York City.
Is the one in Chicago the same? You've got to try it. Oh, you've got to go to the one in Chicago again.
It's kind of like a hillstone. If there's a hillstone in any city, I'm trying that dip there i have to i have no problem saying i've been to the museum of ice cream three times that's i i'm not i'm not worried about and then the um the other one and this one was like a very dad moment uh dj more before the game in buffalo his daughter being like what's the bumblebee's name and if and like that if you have kids, that's the most kids thing ever where like the world could be on fire and your kid is just like, Hey, play that one song.
Yeah. Play that one song we listened to three weeks ago,

uh, that has the cat in it. And I'm like, I don't fucking know what song this is.

And how, and how up to date, like if came out like in June. So I'm like, wow, that's not saying

frozen. That's not beauty and the beast.
That's not Aladdin. Like, give me the if character.
I'm like, I don't even, where'd you find if, okay. Again, cable guy here.
I don't even know where to find if that's incredible. Okay.
I stupidly didn't plug my mic in, uh, after I spent, uh, the first 10 minutes being like, oh, I'm a genius for not cutting cords. And look at me.
That was the most karma thing ever. So you could hear me through my headphone, my air phone, or I actually have, you know, wired headphones.
You hear me through that mic. Now I'm plugged into my actual mic.
Holy shit. That was a perfect way to start the show for me to be like victory lap.
And then, hey, you are the old fuck PFTFT, any other thoughts about Hard Knocks before we talk about Shrager, about other camp stuff? Yeah, I just made a quick list of three things that Big Cat's going to get mad about during Hard Knocks. I didn't get mad at all.
Well, let me get to him. Let's see if he got mad.
Because last week he got mad about a few things, how they portrayed our dear, sweet Caleb Williams. The first thing is I just predicted that Big Cat would yell at Max for not pressing the button.
Did not. So maybe this is growth.
Maybe this is progress. Number two, you remember last week when you got upset when they showed Caleb Williams on screen when somebody used the word grinder? I was wondering if this week you got upset when Caleb was having trouble putting his shoulder pads on.
No doubt. And then Rome was like, hey, Rome, can you get my strap on? Sounds like you're thinking about me while you're watching Hard Knocks.
Keep going. Just sexually.
Only sexually. Yeah.
That was pretty much it, honestly, because I feel like you would probably agree with Austin Reed when he got upset at Sean McDermott for challenging that rotation. All Austin Reed wanted was just one completion.
Yeah. What is Sean McDermott doing? Come on.
Let's be nice. Let's spread the ball around a little bit here.
Can I shout out Austin Reed's parents? We have a correct production team. I'm like, give me these parents' names.
These people are great. Jen and Tom Reed, and they went to every one of his games from Southern Illinois to West Florida to Western Kentucky, and now he's been to Canton and Buffalo.
I'm for those guys. Those are my favorite people.
They're awesome. I also had on my list that you would get upset at HBO Max because you thought that maybe they were intentionally not letting people see the good Caleb Williams plays this week.
No. Again, I was watching on cable, so I was not mad.
Listen, my complaints about the first week, I admitted that I was maybe a little triggered, but there also were some real complaints in there. They showed football this week.
I wanted to see football and that's what they did. They showed a lot of football and they, and again, they spread the ball around.
Like I want to see everyone on the team. And it felt like that this week where they were giving a bunch of guys some love.
You know, like at the end when they were giving Austin Booker some love, like it was just, I loved it. Like you're learning about the running back at a Howard.
He got a lot of love. Yeah, right, right.
Vila's Jones fumbled the ball. I've seen that before many times.
Then he had some nice runs. But yeah, I have no complaints about this week's episode.
I thought they did a great job. Also, I don't think that Simone Biles is human when they showed her climbing up that rope.
That's just crazy. As a guy that used to jump up and then quickly put one arm above the other and then just fall, the fact that she can climb a rope to the ceiling in three seconds is insane.
Did you guys have have that? The presidential like fitness, the national finish. I was never presidential.
I was national. I couldn't do like the, the, the flex arm hang long enough.
Yeah. Oh, you did the flex arm hang.
Yeah. Not good.
Pull ups. It's not easy.
Yeah. I had, I always had trouble with a mile run.
I was always like 30 seconds too slow to get presidential on that. Yeah, yeah.
All right, Schrager, give us three big stories that are going around in training camp right now and what's happening and maybe just some details because you're plugged in everywhere. Yeah, I've been to a few of them.
And I'll say like one of the cool things at Jets camp when I was there was that the Hassan Reddick story is almost like a non-factor. I'm not minimizing it.
It's a crazy situation that you have a star pass rusher demand, not demand, but request a trade, get traded. And they somehow didn't sign him to a long-term deal before they brought him in the building.
And he did the press conference. And now he's not there and wants to be traded again.
But like it's, I live in New York city. I'm amongst all these jet fans.
It's like last year they were burned so badly and they're like so scarred that they're not letting themselves get excited. Of all the practice I've been to the crispest practice I was, was that was at this jets one.
And it's like, they're really good on paper. They were really good on paper last year, but they added three really good offensive linemen to protect Rodgers.
They added players on defense. I'm trying not to get too excited because I've been down this road with the Jets, but I'd say the Jets are running a very crisp, nicely somewhat under the radar training camp.
And in a year where it looks like the Patriots, the Dolphins, and even the Bills might be taking a step back from where they were last year. Like this, I don't know.
I don't want Jets fans to get too excited because I get it. But like that was one of the crispest practices I've been to all summer, maybe in the last couple of summers.
Ooh. Interesting.
I like that. What about Brandon Ayuk? Is he going to get traded or are we just going to play the will Brandon Ayuk get traded game all year? You know, I do this daily morning show and it's like we have 32 teams and we have so many stars in like multiple days we've started talking about brandon iuk and it's just like now here's the wild thing with that situation it was they thought they had a deal then they both sides went dark and then it was like all right well there's the patriots but then brandon i'm not going to the Patriots.
So it's really down to one team, the Steelers right now. And apparently there's a framework in place, but you need Ayuken, the Niners, to agree upon it.
The Steelers aren't budging. Here's the crazy thing.
His agent's a guy named Ryan Williams, who's a big agent in the league, whatever. They have a bunch of guys.
Ryan Williams and John Lynch are like lifelong buddies, like best buddies. Like Ryan Williams invited John Lynch to his wedding.
Like they are that tight. So there's personal connections in this thing where to me that tells me, all right, at the end of the day, if those are the two people who are running the business operation in this situation, like they'll find a way to get Ayuk dressed and with the Niners and playing with this team.
And there'll be a contract that both sides are happy with and the Niners can go to bed at night. But for them to go and dig their heels in on this one and then for Ayuk's people to be like, well, he cannot take a step on the field until he gets more money.
I just have to think they both – it's a beneficial place for both of them. Let's just get it done and find a way to make it happen.
Wait, you said that he Lynch to his wedding. Did John Lynch go to his wedding? Did he attend the wedding? John Lynch was at the wedding.
Lifelong friends. He was at the wedding.
Yes. That's always so interesting.
Good morning football. Would you rather lead off for the next two weeks with talking about the Dallas Cowboys every day or talking about Brandon Ayuk? It's funny because our show so early.
So like I always make this argument and you guys can appreciate this. I'm like, there are not that many Niners fans up right now.
Like, I don't know if we need to start the first hour of the show talking about a second wide receiver on the 49ers, but I think it's a universal theme when you get the player that's like, I'm not coming to camp, but I am at camp, but I'm not taking part in practice. So, yeah, I don't know.
Cowboys, that might sell better, but the IU thing is more timely. So, and then the last one that I had a question about is, what are the Vikings going to do with J.J.
McCarthy? Yeah. Look, that's crappy news.
We just got it today. Obviously, that his knee's messed up, and hopefully he'll be back.
But that wasn't necessarily the planned week one anyway. The way I saw it or the way that I've been hearing it is that, and I know you can roll your eyes because we've seen Darnold with the Jets, with the Panthers, with the Niners.
We've seen Sam Darnold, right? We get what we're getting. Still in his 20s, and everything I've heard is that as great as J.J.
McCarthy's been, Darnold's been even better in camp. They signed him to a $10 million deal.
They feel confident that Darnold was going to start anyway out of the gates. So this gives time for McCarthy.
But that's a really good situation for Sam because it's Kevin O'Connell, who's a former quarterback in the NFL. It's Josh McCown, who's an 18-year veteran in the NFL.
He's the quarterback's coach out there. And then you've got Addison Jefferson, Aaron Jones, and of course that great offensive line.
So like if Darnold was ever going to have a chance to, to get out and have a good start, it's with this team and what they have the McCarthy thing. It's unfortunate because I think everyone was excited, but again, 21 year old kid, like super young.
I don't think they were rolling him out out of the gates the first month of the season anyway yeah so it sounds like they'll probably take the more cautious approach it does suck it sucks beyond belief to have your rookie quarterback have that but you also have to think long term it's not just this season they're not in win now mode yeah I you know PFT I'll tell you this you know I talk to Cliff all the time uh the offensive coordinator Like, everyone's happy. And Poles is thrilled with Caleb.
And I talked to Sean Payton, and he's thrilled with Bo Nix. Like, you have no idea how good this kid is.
Like, great. Like, what they're getting out there in Washington.
I'm not trying to get you too gassed up here. Don't gas me up.
Holy shit, bro. Like, they're talking like this guy is the real deal in Washington.
and Jaden Daniels has been everything they were hoping for and more in training camp as far as leadership, as far as on the field. And we saw him attempt three passes.
But how calm did he look in that preseason game against the Jets just moving the ball right up the field? Yeah. I mean, Dan Quinn called him Top Gun, which is an awesome nickname.
It is awesome. He just buzzed the tower.

He didn't get permission.

But the first pass that he threw, Dan Quinn needs to teach him,

we're too close for missiles, let's switch to guns.

Because the first one that he threw on that little screen pass

went like six feet over his head.

I'm going to chalk that one up to adrenaline.

It's two puns.

He had family in the building.

It was a noon start.

He was ready to go, man.

Yeah.

I like how you said, I'm not going to gas you up too hard. And then you're like, holy shit, bro.
Like, I'm gassed, all right? I can't get any more gassy than I am right now. I haven't felt this way in a long time.
Maybe I'm just desperate to have any, like, shred of positivity or hope. But, yeah, I'm getting drunk on all the Jaden Daniels Kool-Aid.
So I'm happy that you told me that. You said earlier that the Jets looked like they were having a pretty good camp.
Things look crisp. I know you don't want to trash any teams.
But can we put it this way? Which teams so far in camp have had the most questions? Yeah, I'm curious what we get with the Patriots. And I know Hank is a key part of this group here.
I just, new coach, rookie quarterback, the preseason debut for all of them didn't do anything to blow anyone's hair back. So this could be a really interesting transition here in New England.
And, you know, to have IU so openly say, like, I'm not going to New England. Everyone just kind of shrug their shoulders and nod.
Like that's, it's, it's not, it's, it's a, it's a new era. I'll just say that.
Yeah. Counterpoint Joe Milton.
Maybe he saw Joe Milton play and he was like, ah, maybe. That's it.
Fans of Michigan, fans of Tennessee, fans of college football have been hearing about Joe Milton for years. I think he's got a great rocket arm and we had him on good morning football last year.
He's a really good kid, but you go on the sixth round and accuracy has always been an issue. So I wouldn't put Milton ahead of May just yet.
It's phase one. We're in phase one of the Joe Milton experience and anyone that's paid attention to him in the past, you know what's coming, but just enjoy the ride.
Enjoy it. Enjoy it.
And they used to do this with, I want to say, it was either like Michael Bishop or Rohan Davey.

Like they would take out Brady at the end of a half

and they would throw in one of these just like rocket armed guys

just to throw the Hail Marys at the end.

Like Belichick used to do that.

I think it was Michael Bishop from Kansas State.

I would not be shocked if we saw Joe Milton just throw a couple bombs

during this season and they put him in there just to let him get one of those deep throws before the end of the half. I have something for you guys.
Yeah. Okay.
I am so jealous of that Rob Deardrek ridiculousness studio you guys have in Chicago where I'm at all hours watching just fun games happening. Big Cat, I live in Brooklyn, obviously used to live here.
And I don't know since you left, but there is a craze in Brooklyn and it's in

Dublin. just fun games happening.
Big Cat, I live in Brooklyn. Obviously, I used to live here.
And I don't know since you left, but there is a craze in Brooklyn, and it's in Dumbo, and it's the sport called Padell. Are you aware of what Padell is? No.
I've played it. I've played it.
You have? Okay, go on. Yeah, it's the sworn enemy of pickleball.
Yes, it's pickleball's evil twin. So it it's two on two it's like pickleball but you can go in the kitchen and all this thing it's more tennis than pickleball but there's glass walls and you bang it off the walls and i've been playing it all summer they have it at uh in in dumbo and i am telling you guys if you built a pad Padel court in that Chicago gymnasium of yours, I will fly out once a week and I will play with you.
I am so addicted to this sport. It's not just me.
I I'm at the court and like Andrew Schultz, the comedian walks in, he plays name drop. Doesn't say hello to me.
Doesn't know who the fuck I am, but like still he's there. There are other people that like it's gaining steam.
And I feel like you guys would love it and big cat is so up your alley where it's like no it's not tennis you're not gonna be you're not gonna be that's what they're trying to do they just they're trying to basically figure out different ways to play tennis which is a boring sport to play oh like oh let's make it small let's stay it off the walls like hey can you just admit tennis is boring no how dare you pft did you love it when you played okay so i played one time and i got my ass kicked by a 65 year old okay it's all these boomers are creating games that they just don't even have to move they're so they're so good at it and they know all the angles and they know how to like hit it off the wall and and wait for it off the wall and hit it at just the right angle and It was humiliating. That's what they do though.
I remember when you were doing those basketball workouts and I was so jealous of you. I'm like, yes, that looks fun.
You're getting a sweat in. This is what this is.
No, no, no, no. Because the boomers have created games where they basically shrunk tennis so they can stand in one place and be like, I worked out.
That's what they're doing. I'll tell you, you will sweat your ass off in this one.
I think the boomers created these sports just so they can stick it to millennials. Yeah.
So they can just kick the shit out of us at a sport and be like, see, I told you guys didn't work. They never, they never sell their houses.
So no one our age can own a house. They never leave their jobs.
So they never want to leave the presidency. They, they just, they just, now they ruin all of our sports and recreation.
I'm with you. Forget it.
And what's the theme about all these sports? They just take a sport that already exists and just make it significantly smaller so they can cover all the ground. It's ridiculous.
I will not stand for Padel. All right.
I have one. I have one last question.
Schrager. It's a rowback question.
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Who is going to be the week one starter in Pittsburgh? I think Russell Wilson. Yeah.
I don't know the status of his calf. I just know that when they brought him in, it was like, they put tunnel vision on there., Russell's our guy.
Like we're good. Like just feel the, and Fields would, it's ironic because I remember covering, this is going to date me.
I remember covering the Seahawks in like 2012 when your guy, Russell Wilson showed up there and it was the late Tavares Jackson and it was Matt Flynn. And everyone was like, it's an open competition.
And Russell was a third round pick and won the job outright. That's what they're saying in Pittsburgh.

And I think like the irony is like,

it would have to take Justin Fields to have a lights out undeniable

preseason.

And it would have to maybe take a not a hundred percent Russell Wilson

with that calf for fields to start week one.

But I think,

I think the plan is Russell Wilson week one.

I think so too.

Yeah. What about your guy? Canalis.
What about the, do we have any Canalis? Yes. Cause I feel like, I feel like, uh, did you see the Canalis video that came out where they were doing the rookie show and he said, fuck it, I'm jumping in.
And he's saying, Bob Marley, uh, every little thing is going to be all right to the the team and he's saying it perfectly in q so all is good in carolina guys okay that's good that i'm glad that he's a good singer that's important to have as a football coach as an nfl head coach it's good has there been any um any reason for optimism down there i do feel for for panthers fans you had a rough season one with bryce young and the fact that cj str so good last year and he went second overall, it's tough. It's tough to make it through a season like that.
Is there any, is there room for hope? Do we have hope in Carolina? Sure. And look, they, they, this off season, they like really spent a lot of money on like guards.
Like they spent, they spent a lot of money on like Robert Hunt from the, from the dolphins who's not a household name a household name but like they broke the bank on him they just want to build up this like brick wall in front of Bryce Young and yes he can see above it and then in the draft they got Leggett at wide receiver they got Brooks at running back so like they got the big guys up front in free agency and they got some weapons on the outside last year had never had a shot it was dead on arrival as far as no weapons no protection no chance and now you have an offensive head coach and you brought a bunch

of different skill position players in and now you have an offensive line so the hope is

this team is a little bit better but i'm they're not like a playoff team in my eyes

yeah you i mean you're a david tepper apologist i am i love i loved his i loved his maniacal

ways on wall street i told you that last time i spoke with you yeah yeah no i haven't spoken to

I don to him. Yes.
No, I haven't spoken to Tepper. I assume he's on a yacht somewhere.
So we're nice. Yeah.
All right. Well, Schrags, thank you so much.
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They have collabed for a new documentary that's coming out on ESPN that's going to be out today as we're airing this. It's called Rhythm Masters, a Mickey Hart experience.
I was lucky enough to watch it. Uh, and it's unbelievable.
I want to say that from the, from the jump, uh, what you guys produced was incredible. Mickey, I guess my first question is what, what made you want to do this project and kind of like, what was the, what was the fire that lit you off? Like, Hey hey i want to combine my world of drumming and

sports in such a beautiful way oh thank you very much um i guess you might call the genesis of it all was with bill walton uh of course bill and i were good friends and uh he once uh once mentioned to me that he thought basketball was very much like a band, you know, a basketball team. And putting a ball through a hoop into a net was like string music.
And I thought that was very interesting, you know, that he thought that he saw the musicality in basketball.

And that started me thinking that, well,

everything in this universe is full of rhythm.

Vibration is the basis of all life, and it just extends on and on

and on over and over, the rhythm of life, the rhythm of anything,

and the rhythm of the game.

Sports, for instance, was always intriguing to me.

Since I grew up when I was a little guy, I used to watch Bob Cousy,

the great basketball player who kind of almost invented modern basketball,

and I used to watch him.

It was actually in black and white and back in the day

and he was my first sports hero and I thought well this guy is he's a great artist I even knew that when I was a kid and so there is the art of sports and basketball for instance and all those things kind of keyed me and writing about rhythm in different walks of life and so forth and uh was it was another extension of uh the philosophy that rhythm is everywhere and you just have to find it yeah yeah it's fascinating and bill shows up a number of times throughout the movie um right off the uh very start i think he's the first voice that you hear in the picture i'm curious to know how he introduced himself to you for the first time what was your first experience like meeting bill walton you know him being a massive grateful fan well it was back in when he he won the championship in Oregon, and he came to one of our concerts, and I looked out into the audience. It was a small place.
It wasn't much. It was a theater, kind of a larger theater, and I thought everybody was sitting down, and there was just one guy, you know, and I thought, wow, why is, you know, why is the audience sitting down? There's one guy standing up.
And my equipment man, Remorad, he said, no, no, no, that's Bill Walton, you know, the basketball player, you know, and I go, oh, really? I loved to watch him at UCLA. I saw a lot of the games and I was a huge Bill Walton fan.
And I knew he was a deadhead. And I just said, bring him back.
Bring him backstage. And that's how I met Bill Walton.
It was at a concert. And Bill and I started a relationship, I don't know how many years ago, 45, whatever that 40, you know, and became best friends over the years.
Yeah. I mean, we were lucky enough to interview him uh probably like six or seven years ago and it was just it was incredible he was one of those guys that if you spent an hour with him you felt like he was your best friend and it was yeah it was a blessing yeah exactly exactly yeah uh right you are we were talking before this you are a deadhead.
I have to know because I'm a huge deadhead as well. How like cool was it to be in this project and get so close to seeing how Mickey works and how the creative process comes about for such a legendary guy like that? Like, I mean, it's it's such a cool experience for you, I would as a deadhead well I would say this uh you know it's very cool obviously because you're like you know when you're 15 years old these guys don't seem real and then you know so you meet them but I'll tell you for me less than a deadhead it was like as a person who tries to have a creative life to see Mickey's work ethic.
Mickey, close your ears.

I hate giving you compliments in front of you. But like, but I mean, his work ethic, that's exactly right.
His work ethic and his relentless drive to be creative, to push himself, to stretch, to find the boundaries and move through them uh it just was a real it making this movie with him came for me at the exact right time in my own life just as a reminder of how you approach a creative life and how you don't and so so like, I don't know, you hear about these guys

and you always wonder if the emperor has any clothes,

you know, like what are these guys going to be like up close?

And it didn't take long for us to understand

that we were dealing with a mind at work

with an incredibly smart, educated person

who also had an intuitive sense of his.

One of the things he said that really stuck with me is as you get older you grow into your instrument not out of it yeah and that really struck me as a we are on a journey that lasts a lifetime all of us and it was just a good reminder for me of how to be I mean I couldn't be more grateful for the experience and like making the movie is the tax we all have to pay to have the journey yeah yeah yeah and just hearing your voice right it it just took me into fall i just thought it was a saturday morning and i'm ready for college football right now yeah like i can start talking about sec football yeah i know you can so did you have to kick him out of the recording booth? Do you want to do some voiceovers for this movie, Mickey? Right. He's been right a lot of times, helping to produce and write some of this chatter.
It was a pleasure working with him and Torrey Champagne and ESPN in general. There's nice folks there, receptive to ideas and very loose and allowed me to have creative freedom with this.
And, you know, that's really what it's all about when you're an artist. You have to have that kind of freedom to create something like Rhythm Masters, which I'm very proud of, actually.
It's quite a good story. It takes rhythm into a whole other land and exposes the idea that rhythm is essential in life.
Yeah. Just in sports, and then, of course, in drumming.
That's the basis of drumming is rhythm. But just in general, you know, it kind of gives you pause and makes you think about, well, doing something right is in rhythm or wrong is out of rhythm or hate or is out, peace is in.

All that kind of, you know, the good rhythm and bad rhythm.

Health is good rhythm.

Disease, bad rhythm.

You know, winning is good rhythm.

I'm... pieces in, all that kind of, you know, the good rhythm and bad rhythm, health is good rhythm, disease, bad rhythm, you know, winning is good rhythm, bad rhythm is losing, all of that kind of stuff was told in this movie.
So it's more than just a movie just about sports. It's really tells a lot about, it talks about life in general as well.
And it's very important, especially to keep your equilibrium and your balance when you're famous, you know, as sports figures would be and how they deal with it off the court. Especially, you know, all of these athletes that I interviewed had such a spiritual take on it and very much like myself it was very it wasn't very different than how i think about uh rhythm and music and being in the now and these things bring you into the moment and that's very powerful uh uh emotional payload if you will uh dealing in know, at sports at this level, you know, the rhythm master level.
And, you know, it also informed me as well about, you know, Mario Andretti, you know, and Marshawn Lynch, Bob Cousy, you know, Phil Jackson, and all of these great players and influencers like Phil Jackson, who's not only a great basketball player, but a great human being and brilliant, you know, the Zen master, you know, really. And it was great to reconnect with Phil after a few years of not seeing him.
So, yeah, it was really very nourishing for me to talk with all of these great players. Some of them are, you know, heroes to me.
Yeah. Phil Jackson talking about how he thinks about basketball in 4-4 time and the two beats for anything to happen was was really interesting there was one thing that you said that that struck me and that was that you can go fast while you're not moving so what does that mean well it's about the power of concentration the mind and focus and when you focus on you focus on something, you can go fast, you can go slow.
When I'm up there and I'm playing like mad and I'm just going crazy, but inside I'm very calm and balanced and happy and so forth. So that allows you to be able to run a marathon, or a sprint, or just stand still, you know, sometimes I'm very still inside, and outside, you know, it, you know, it's just, it looks like a, would look like a frenzy, in a way, but that's not really what's going on inside.
You have to really be collected and focused in order to go fast. And in the same way, to go really slow, you need to be able to have that balance to be able to encompass all speeds.
So, yeah, the mind is very powerful. So what the brain says, the body does.
So this really, basketball, football, mostly is about neurologic function, is about how the brain operates and what signals it sends. And the brain is all about rhythm.
You know, you got a trillion neurons firing every, you know, every second in your brain,

and that's pure rhythm.

So the ability to be able to coordinate your brain and your body movement,

the idea of body-mind connection is everything in sports and in life and certainly in drumming.

So you can go fast. You can go slow.
You can stand still if you have the right headspace for it because sports and music create a virtual headspace where you go, which is not like everyday life, like you're walking down the street or doing anything else. It's very different.'s the high of it all yeah yeah well you're gonna you said you were i feel like you're about to say something and i do want to just hear you talk well i was gonna say like when you talk about mickey's like relentless curiosity i mean the thing that drove it home for me was i don't know if you remember last year's tour.
I mean, the biggest two tours in the world were Taylor Swift era's tour and then dead and companies summer tour. And so we were out in San Francisco for that last couple of shows.
And after the last night, we went immediately back to Mickey's dressing room. I mean, the crowd is still sort of singing, not fade away.
The drones are still up in the air and he comes in and locks eyes. And the very first thing he says is, am I going to have my sports highlights tomorrow? I mean, you know, my ears are to quote Bob Seger.
I mean, my ears are still ringing from the echoes of the amplifiers and he's already moved on. And I just like, yeah it's crazy that i actually had that question mickey because it's it as a fan watching from afar the grateful dead are counterculture and they're and you know the the the hardest touring band in history and like some people from afar might say oh well they you know they're just playing jam band music like whatever but the to to hear and read the stories about your guys work ethic and the days and years that you guys built uh even before you became you know this incredible you know touring band you guys were playing day and night and it feels like that that work ethic and those hours put into it kind of get glossed over by maybe regular culture people and thinking like, Oh yeah, they're just out there playing the bit.
You guys put in all these hours. So what was it like when you were getting to that point where you can all speak the same language on stage in an improvisational way that is so hard to reach that point.
And I think people don't give enough to to how difficult how many hours get into that yeah you bet we practiced every day all day you know there was uh you know we weren't we weren't sitting around smoking dope or anything right you know even if we were we were playing you know constantly so um uh and you know, it happened right from the beginning.

You know, Grateful Dead music was magic right from the first,

you know, drop of it.

So it was just a matter of collectively getting it all together and presenting it to people because the music was something

we were discovering.

We were falling on every day. We learned something every day.
The more you play, the more you learn. And we didn't care really about, we weren't into the money or into the fame and we didn't have hit records.
We didn't do videos. So I don't know about counterculture, but we certainly weren't totally part of the music industry.
We were maybe in parallel with it, but we certainly weren't part of it. We were in our own Grateful Dead world spawning our Grateful Dead mythology on our own with great songs and loving people all around.
And we just had a great time in the early days. And then it just kind of blossomed over the years very slowly, very slowly, like a turtle, as opposed to the hare.
And we're the turtle. But we finished the race.
And that's the important part. All those rock stars with their jewelry and, you know, the fancy hairs and all that, whatever, they fell by the wayside because it wasn't built on the right foundations.
We were built to last, and I knew that right from the beginning. I thought it would, you know, we were thinking about doing this for the rest of our lives.
Even when we were kids, we said, do you want to do this the rest of your life? Yeah, yeah, of course you do. But it's hard to, you know, to actually manifest that.
Yeah. You know, you can talk about it, but to actually do it, there's a lot of ups and downs and like rhythms, good rhythms, bad rhythms, fights, all kinds of things that we worked through to be able to come out on top, as it were.

You know, like Wright said, it was a great tour.

The Sphere was great.

It was really an honor to be able to play there.

And, you know, it was a new experience, yet again, a new experience for us. Yeah.
And that nourished us. And so all this nourishment over the years, if you play, you get nourished.
If you really play hard, you play like you really mean it. And we meant it.
Yeah, we're not kidding around. It was none of that.
You that you know it was it was the music first yeah everything else followed but the music was first always and still is yeah the sphere was incredible i was lucky enough to go i i basically spent the month after telling everyone how incredible it was and how my life will never be the same after going to the sphere. Um, one, I mean the, the, the drums in space, the visuals and what you put together there were just out of this world.
Good. I, I, I know you can't say, but I'm hoping that the sphere is not done for dead and company.
And maybe there's a future dates coming up because I was lucky enough on, on the second night I I was lucky enough to sit with John Mayer in his green room, and I just spent 30 minutes profusely thanking him for keeping the music alive, and I want to thank you as well. But tell me there's going to be some more Spheres dates, or at least give me a wink.
Yeah, there's no reason why there wouldn't be. Okay, I love that answer.
I love that answer. Let's leave it at that.
Yes, yes. Because all I've been thinking about is getting back to the sphere.
I got to get back to the sphere. So right ahead of me, I'm not joking.
PFT can attest to it. I've been telling everyone.
Like the people that leave Avatar, they won't talk about, they won't shut up about how great Pandora the planet looks and how they wish that they lived on Pandora.

That's Big Cat with the sphere.

Yeah.

It's like, I got to get back there.

Nothing is the sphere.

My life is not the same without being in the sphere.

So I need to get back.

It's the next step.

You know, we play stadiums, which are made for baseball and football.

You know, we play places that are not meant for music, really, or lights, you know, just pretty lame, you know, light show behind you one screen. And once you see the sphere, then you understand what the future is.
Yeah. Of music and visuals.
Yeah. And when they come together, it's very powerful.
It was a real challenge playing in the sphere for a lot of reasons. Firstly, it's a new sonic environment that we had to get used to because we've never played.
I mean, I thought it was suicide to play in the sphere, actually. I mean, sonically, it's just not done.
But with all of the artificial intelligence and the 1600 speakers and the high def visuals, we made it come alive. We put a lot of time into making it feel like the Great Flint, you know, just like us.
And also to be able to stay focused for 30 shows in the same place. We never did that.
Maybe we played 13 or 12 days at Madison Square Garden in a row, but we never played 30 dates anyplace. Yeah.
So to be able to stay focused was also a big deal. You know, only playing three nights, normally our pace is two nights on, one off, two nights on.
And once in a while we'll play three because of the vocals. You know, it's hard for them to do four in a row.
It's very, very hard. So, yeah, I think that discipline was part of it.
And as you get older, you have more discipline. You're younger.
The fuel is just youth. Yeah.
youth yeah but as you get older then you got to conjure another kind of power and everybody really is drama free it's really a great band now it's it's phenomenal it's like just watching the the iterations and it's just it's great it's i I can't thank you enough I and I like I said the

drums in space was incredible I was I was one of the people laying on the floor I don't know if you expected that to happen uh that people were gonna lay on the floor because the vibrations but that did happen yeah it gave me pause when they said oh they're all lying on the floor doing it I go, what?

You've got to be kidding.

That never happened.

People in Northampton don't do that. They said, oh, they're all lying on the floor.
I go, what? You've got to be kidding.

That never happened. People normally don't do that.
In the sphere, you can feel the vibrations, especially in the seats. It's just haptic seats.
There's speakers in the seats, and you can feel the vibrations when I go downtown, when I go low.

But the visuals, looking up at the visuals and how it kind of goes with the percussion, with the drums. The drums sound, for some reason, sound really good in the sphere, better than any place else.
Nobody can really quite describe the impact that the drums deliver in the sphere for me. And that was just a lucky, there was the luck of the draw that it just so happens that drums sound amazing in that place.
You know, Mickey, I was going to ask, you know, one of the things I thought the sphere was it one of those last couple nights i was there it reminded me of that the power and the communal spirit reminded me of that story uh you were saying about after woodstock when you had your black lab and you could hear slide in the family stone and i i just wonder if you would mind telling these guys that because that that makes the hair stand up on my arms still when I think about the sort of the communion of live music. Yeah, well, that was a major moment.
I remember being on the hill. It was after our set, I guess.
And it was at night and there were fires going all on the valley to see him all over. and Sly was just killing it.
And they were all singing,

I'm going to on the valley. You can see them all over.
And Sly was just killing it. And they were all singing, I'm going to take you higher, higher.
So you hear 500,000 people going higher, higher. And, you know, I never heard anything like, no one's ever heard anything like that before.
And I was good friends with the drummer, Gregorico, masterful drummer, amazing drummer, and he was nailing it. And it was total rapture, really.
I mean, it was awesome. I mean, in the idea of awe, as in awesome, you know, it really, you just had to sit back and go, wow, the power that we had.
We weren't alone. Here was 500,000 of us.
No one's ever been able to assemble that. I bet in those days anyway, 500,000 of anything.
People being friendly, loving, and here the music is taking you to a place that you've never been before. Now, that's power.
And you talk about rhythm mastery. Well, that moment, that night, they had it.
And also, Michael Shreve, master drummer, master, with Santana. Michael was a student of mine years and years ago, before the Gr Dead.
He was one of my students and there he was on the stage playing just out of his mind. Just incredible.
So I was really proud of him that night, you know, when he played, when he performed. So Woodstock was really, interesting and life-affirming, actually, for me.

Yeah. when he played, when he performed.
So Woodstock was really, it was very interesting and life-affirming, actually, for me. Yeah, it's very cool.
And I'm sure you've gotten this question before, but I have to imagine that being in a band like the Grateful Dead, it feels like it was something that was always meant to happen. You guys fit in so well together.
It's been such an amazing journey. People's lives have been changed.

You've made so many friends.

Was there a moment when you guys started to play?

I'm sure you've played in other bands before.

But as you're starting to either rehearse

or play your first shows with The Grateful Dead,

were you knew that something was different

and something was special about this band?

Well, absolutely.

When I first heard,

well, they were already just changed their names

to The Grateful Dead.

They were Warlocks. The band was called Warlocks back then.

And they just changed it to Grateful Dead. And I was invited to their concerts.

And when I first heard the band, I couldn't believe it.

I mean, it was so loud and it was so out there.

You know, the music was just blossoming.

It was a blues band back then.

And they were playing the blues like I had never heard the blues before.

Then I sat in and that was it.

You know, we just came together and said, wow, this is the Grateful Dead.

You know, and so, you know, Jerry said, man, we could take this around the world you know and we did yeah yeah actually you know and so yeah I knew it right from the very first moment that Grateful Dead music was special really special and over the years we nurtured that you know and you know and created what you now know as Grateful Dead music. It's a genre of music, really, you know.
And with this, we were improvisationalists. And that was different back then.
You only improvised in jazz. I was grateful that it was like a big, loud jazz band, you know, in a way, with a big backbeat.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you could dance to this jazz.
And, you know, everybody was listening to Coltrane and, you know, all the great jazz guys. And I was listening to Indian classical music.
So very complicated rhythmically. And that's one of the things I brought to the brew was that rhythmic complexity.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then we just shot from there, you know, that we took off. Yeah.
I love the idea of a music executive somewhere listening to the Grateful Dead in the 19, don't know maybe the 1970s and figuring like we got to figure out a way to recreate this and try to make it like commercial and try to come up with a formula for it while everything that you guys have done has been organic and just something that's naturally happened between you and your fan base throughout the years was there were there other bands that tried to try to copy what you guys were doing as it went along and you're like you don't have it man it's not it's not the beginning nobody in the beginning nobody could copy it because we were it was so new they didn't know how to do it you know they i mean when you invent something that's you know then that's different the people couldn't And, you know, at first they couldn't understand it because, you know, it was so different, you know, than any other kind of music. It's so intense back then.
You know, remember, we were just kids playing hard, really fast, hard music, you know, and very complicated, actually. And then it got simpler, and we started to learn how to, you know, work at these incredible tempos and being able to go three, four, five, even more hours every night.
Back then, there was no unions, and there was – so we could play, you know, we can play till we drop. At the Fillmore East, we would start at about 8.30 and wound up about seven o'clock the next morning.
So, you know, there was nobody to tell us to stop. We didn't.
Now you have to, you know, now we've limited to three, three and a half hours, which is reasonable now. Yeah.
Yeah. Right.
I had a question for you. So you are, your life has been sports and covering sports.
You wrote a great book called The Cost of These Dreams, Sports Stories and Other Serious Business, which everyone, I should say, everyone go buy it on Amazon. It's a great, great book.
But you've covered sports your whole life. Sports are your life.
Was there something

that you uncovered in making

this and being around Mickey

that you're like, wow, I never thought of sports

this way?

You know, that's a great question.

I never thought about that exactly

like that before. Yes.

And it came through in several ways.

One was

Mickey was

asking these athletes questions that it

seemed to me

Thank you. And it came through in several ways.
One was Mickey was asking these athletes questions that it seemed to me that they had never been asked before and had been dying to be asked. And so I think that, you know, athletes are physical geniuses who move through a grid with other people.
And I think that sometimes they have trouble articulating. They'll say the game seemed to slow down.
And it sounds like a cliche, but really it's just a physical genius who can't find the vocabulary to say exactly the complex things that are going on in their heads. And Mickey was asking, I mean, I need to just send you the full unedited Marshawn Lynch conversation.
Yeah, we'd love to. We used 90 seconds of it.
And I'm telling you, that's the best sports interview I've ever heard. Yeah.
And you should just run it. Because, like, Mickey got Marshawn and Marshawn got Mickey.
They immediately understood each other as sort of fellow travelers along the same path. And, you know, that, that happened with Jack Nicklaus.
I mean, Jack Nicklaus is famously prickly. And I didn't tell Mickey that beforehand.
I thought it'd just be a fun social experiment to see what happened. And, uh, but so Jack started off prickly, but by the end he was he was putty in Mickey's hands.
And so and so I think it's that these guys spend a lot. These guys and gals, men and women spend a lot of time thinking about their interior life, their mental health.
And I don't mean like reacting to stress. I mean, literally, how do you process process information how do you deal with failure and success and egos and all of this and so it feels like they were getting asked questions that they'd never been asked before and have always wanted to be asked there are three or four questions that became stock questions for mickey that i'm definitely stealing yeah yeah, I'll ask everybody going forward three or four of these questions.
And you're right because when watching it, like, it was phenomenal. Everyone should watch it.
It's so unique and so different than what, you know, you think, like ESPN documentary. It's so different and out of the box from that.
But the Joe Montana part where he's describing a five-step drop and a three-step drop and the rhythm of it. And it's like, I almost got lost in it.
I was like, oh my God, like I never, you just think like a quarterback drops back. That's something you see.
It's a small part of the game. And just having him dissect it to such a minute level, it was, it was incredible.
You're right. Like I, I didn't even realize it till you just said that point of having the guys talk about it in a way that they had never spoken about it.
I mean, I I've written about Joe Montana. Uh, I've spent a lot of time with Joe and Jennifer Montana and wrote what I think is a very revealing story about him in which he said all sorts of stuff he'd never said before and he

said stuff on this interview with Mickey that I'd never heard him say before and uh that was very early in the process too and I was it it was interesting because Mickey said to me in our first conversation we went up to his house uh in north somewhere in northern California and uh he uh that's right uh and he was like I can get them there and I sort of clocked that and like I made a little note and it was like Mickey says he can get them there but I was like all right tough guy let's see you know all right big rock and roll star let's see how well you interview somebody and just after Joe Montana I knew this is going to be really special yeah because Joe has been interviewed over and over and over and over. And this was new shit.
And so from that point on, I just I couldn't schedule enough interviews. Yeah.
By the way, I read the Joe Montana piece you did. That was phenomenal.
Again, go buy Wright's book. I can't recommend it enough.
Read everything he he's ever written yeah right like that do you I even forgot that I had written or read your Joe Montana piece that was I remember reading it being like wow I'd never even like I feel like I actually know Joe Montana now so Mickey was there one specific uh interview so kind of like the same question right where you asked someone something or an athlete revealed something that you had never thought of sports that way. Well, of course, the Marshawn Lynch, like Wright said, was extraordinary because he talked about the spiritual side immediately.
I walk on the field. I look at the nearest goalposts.
I circle the field to the right. I circle circle the field to the left I think about the people I'm going to hit and and pray that they won't get hurt just all kinds of wonderful things.
Then there's the Phil Jackson interview where he really lays it out two beats, one beat beats, one beat, two beats, more than two beats, you're out of time. So he really, he broke it down, you know, he put that quadrants, he goes here and here and here.
And if you don't do this in two beats, and he talks about it in beats, which is, which relates to drumming, you know, you can say, oh, beat is, you know, everybody knows what a beat is. And so Phil was, of course, a very articulate, very articulate.
And everybody, Bob Cousy, you know, he just talks about the art of the game and, and it is an art form and Mario Andretti says, the engine is vibrating.

It's like a song, he says.

And when he said that, he'd go, oh, yeah, Mario.

That's it.

It is a song.

It was really good.

So the game is a song.

Yeah.

A lot of athletes, they see it as musical. That really just I heard how Bill spoke of it, but he was a deadhead and he was talking about I tell you, one time we were backstage with his son, Luke.
Luke was the coach of the Warriors. And he's back there and he's saying to Luke, he said, Luke, it's halftime.
He said, okay, you got to come out the first, like with Bertha, you know, and then you bring it back to playing the band kind of a thing. And I said, Bill, give the cue to break, man.

You know, he's the coach.

You know, we're just spectators here.

But he saw it in musical terms.

And that's one of the most interesting parts of it,

besides the spiritual nature, which I knew athletes had to have it. In order to access the flow state where everything moves and you're not even thinking about it and you're in the moment and all of these things which rhythm masters have to know, if you don't know that, you're not a rhythm master in anything, whether you're painting the fence or you're a great carpenter or you drive a great semi.
These are all rhythm masters because they were able to get into that flow state and to be, you know, in the now. So it doesn't have to be drums or drumming or it doesn't have to be sports.
You can be a rhythm master in anything. Yeah.
If you know how to get into these states, these flow states, which is about consciousness. Yeah.
And be aware of who you are and what you're doing and where you're going. And then also to be able to let it go.

And then just be in the moment.

You can think it over and over and over again.

But you have to let thinking go and just be.

And that's not easy when you're in the middle of, you know, when you're in the middle of that, you know, that cathartic moment. So that's what I brought back from this.
I had a great time interviewing all of these athletes. And like Wright says, you know, some of them were a little, they didn't know how to approach the interview.
You know, they thought this was going to be a straight interview about how great they were but that really wasn't really on my mind at all because they were all great that's why i talked to them yeah yeah getting down to the human level that was the real outstanding part for me yeah you had these moments where you're looking up and uh mike piazza is talking about tigers and ozzie smith is talking about newtonian physics yeah and you're just like where am i yeah what yeah i just was like okay i mean one of the things you learn one of the things you learn if you're riding shotgun with mickey is just hang on yeah like you know the circus is in town and so uh uh you know my five-year-old thought mickey He was like some sort of magic creature, you know, he didn't know he was Yeah, I know. But she didn't know that she just ran right up to it.
And gave him this huge hug out of nowhere. And then I later found out that Mickey had given her cookies.
So that was but no, it just then the experience of watching him do this work, as someone who was a fan of the music, you know, they say don't meet your heroes. And I mean, we're very lucky to report that, you know, he's got, he's an incredibly, incredibly talented musician, thinker and writer, but just also a good guy.
Like we had fun. This was a fun project very little drama as he said it was you know tory champagne who mickey and i both call the adult in the room uh did a lot of work and uh really brought the thing home and it i just had a great time doing it and i mean that's what i'm grateful for yeah i mean, being able to tap into something that an athlete at the peak of their game has always thought in their own, either they thought it consciously, or they've known it their entire lives.
And it's how they go about their business. They think about approaching something as simple as a three step drop in this very personal way that you can tap into and immediately have them speaking your same language that you understand it ties back into like just the universal nature of rhythm which i think is it's a really interesting thing to dive into um and then you talked about getting in that flow state being still uh but going fast at the same time i think you discovered the zone i think that's what being in the zone is when an athlete says like everything slows down i think now we can do more work to quantify what the zone is and try to figure out how to get there um it's fascinating stuff to dive into i'm curious to know uh as a drummer there's to me there might be a difference between uh sports at their highest level and uh playing music at the highest level but maybe I'm wrong about this.
And that's the inherent nature of competition that you have in sports. And in music, I feel like it's not as much of a competition against somebody else, beating somebody else, as it is maximizing your own ability or playing to the highest of your capability.
But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there is a competitive drive in a lot of musicians.
Yeah, maybe there are, you know, but that's second fiddle, actually. The most important thing is, you know, when I go on stage, I try to empty my mind and try to be very relaxed.

And I try to make everybody on the stage play good.

You know, I'm for them.

You know, I'm trying to lay down a real good groove so, you know, Bob or whoever can, you know, just ride on it, you know, and have a great time.

And then I get down to business, you know.

But the most important thing is to make everybody feel like they're part of a team. And there's no competition on the stage, absolutely none.
And you might be competing in your minds with some other drummers, some far away, you know, thoughts and stuff. But really, it comes down to, you know, I think the empathy in music and the empathy in sports are really important.
People don't realize how much people care for their their teammates. It's a love you to you're attached to them in some way.
You don't have to go home with them, you know, and hang out all the time. But when you're together, you feel this connection.
And that's part of getting into the zone. Now, when you talk about the flow state, it really came together with me when I started writing my first book, Drumming at the Edge of Magic, in 1990, I think it was, and I started investigating these trance religions, Santeria, Condomble, and most of the cultures out there in the world have to do with trance, Indian music and even American music had that, you know, even the early rock and roll.
There was these trance states that we would get into that we couldn't define. And then all of a sudden we realized that it was just focus and concentration and moving into these other mindsets and allowing the body to flow.
And now we can articulate it. And that's what's been happening in the last, you know, 30, 40 years is that we know a lot more about how to get into these trance states which basically that's what the all of these these things are it's it's chance is not a bad word or anything you know it's not it's a strange word when you go down the highway and you miss an exit and you're daydreaming you're in a big puppy trounce yeah you know not harmful or anything these things aren't harmful yeah but they're once you know how to go in and out of them and how to stay there then that's the key to be able to win and all of these rhythm masters that i are winners.
They know how to go there, how to stay there, and they know how to win. And sports is just, you know, it's just a miniature of life is what we do with rhythm only in sports.
It's all about rhythm. Without rhythm, there could be no sports.
You know, you could just be running into each other and, you know, not having no teams. You know, there was no teamwork or any of that stuff.
So the basis of it all is rhythm. Whether they realize it or not, now it's going to be an educational moment.
This film could be looked at in those terms for a lot of people and allowing their minds to be able to understand what they're doing or what they did or other people looking at sports in a different way. You know, these are very complicated.
These are states of minds. These are not, unless you know what you're doing and how to get there and how to stay there you can't win yeah because you just swim it upstream so that it tells a lot of stories this uh this uh this where the masters work yeah so uh this has been phenomenal we appreciate both of your times i have one last question it's a rowback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts so everyone please do watch rhythm masters uh out debuting tonight on espn as you're listening to this uh mickey i i this is a dumb question i'm sure you've gotten a million times but when someone asked me you know what is your explain your love for the Grateful Dead, I, this is a dumb question.
I'm sure you've gotten a million times, but when someone asked me, you know, what is your, explain your love for the Grateful Dead. I basically say, listen, the beauty of it is that I don't even know what my favorite like song or show is because it changes every day.
and I'll find a show that I'd never heard and that will be my favorite show or a song that something unlocks in my brain.

I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm listening to this song

and I never listened to it this way. But is there a specific time and place that you look back to, and you're like, everyone has their own favorites, but your own personal, like, that's where it was.
That was what I look back at, and I daydream about maybe that year, or little era or whatever it may be uh that you just something that unlocks in your brain when you find yourself you know kind of drifting off well one show was really uh in Cornell in 77 yeah that 77 show in Cornell there was a few songs that night that was superb, just beyond, you know, anything we've ever played before. But, you know, there are nights just sprinkled all through the 60 years of playing.
When you play good, that's, you know, that's it. You can, if it's one, even one song, sometimes it happens and then the rest of the songs you can't quite get it.
If it's even one song, sometimes it happens, and then the rest of the songs, you can't quite get it. But whenever the magic happens, then that's everything.
That's your whole life. Remember, I've been playing most of my life, my whole life, actually, pretty much.
I've been playing for 75 years. So, you know, it's everything.
You put everything you have into it, and it gives it back to you, you know, in a lot of ways. It makes you happy, and it does things to you physiologically, whereas it reduces your stress.
It makes you a better life. It makes you learn how to love because that's what music does, and that's what sports does.
Yeah. You know, you can't play great sports and not love it, and so you learn about love, you learn about empathy, and you learn about the good.
So it's much deeper than just playing a sport. The benefits you get from it are extraordinary.
The more you put in, the more you get back. The longer you can stay there, the better it is And never quit.
Never stop it unless you have to. And that's, of course, a lot of times it's ripped away, injuries and so forth.
Same thing happens in my work. Injuries all the time.
You have to overcome them and you have to heal yourself and come back again. So it's just not like getting up there and playing the drums you have to train every tour i train for months to get up there and be able to relax and just uh you know not hurt myself yeah yeah and the same way in sports you know so you have to understand that these players are really, they put in so much time.

All of us, any professional that's at this level, you know, has to give their heart to it. And there are benefits to that when you give yourself up in your heart to something.
It is really hard to describe, but what you take away from it and what you take from that power into your regular life is really what's important. I hope that the people don't leave the music at the hall, at the venue, that they take that feeling home and do good with it.
And that's really the payoff for me. If I know that's happening, then I've done a good job and I feel great about it.
Yeah. It's not just about the concert.
It's about what you do with that feeling. Yeah.
Well, Mickey, thank you so much. And Wright, thank you so much.
Everyone go watch it. It was it was an incredible movie and Mickey I'm holding you to it you did say that you guys were going to do some more sphere dates that's me you might not have exactly said that but that's what I took from it that's not exactly what you said but that's exactly what I heard it's all up to interpretation't say it.
Yeah, but that's what he meant. Yeah, that's what you meant.
So thank you so much. This was a thrill, and we really appreciate it.
Everyone go see Rhythm Masters, and thanks so much, guys. Thanks for asking.
Thanks for asking. Good questions, guys.
Thank you. Thank you.
It was a pleasure. Appreciate it.
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Throwback. Okay let's finish up we got a couple FAQs.
It's been a long show. Long show.
Long show. Way too much talking.
A lot of fun. Way too much talking for myself.
Listen, football's going to be back soon. This was fun.
I had fun today. Yeah, don't worry about it, Hank.
Once football is back and the Patriots are in gear, I'm sure you're not going to be talking at all. Yeah, too much Hank and too much hating from Hank, and that's all right.
But I will say this memes, he sent me some hater questions. I was like, send them.
And then he just instead sent me questions that are going to make it look like I asked these and they're set up questions. So, oh, no.
Rude. Long time AWL.
Memes can't exist. I've noticed that it seems like every single guy in the crew now loves the West.
Colorado Grit Week, Arizona Super Bowl, Chill Week. Have you ever thought? Again, I did not.
This is I did not pick these questions. Have you ever thought about a winter trip out west well winter trip out west we don't really do winter trips thank you guys would love an apres ski trip after the super bowl maybe hit the slopes check out some sports scenes and it's a vibe apres ski much love yeah uh what is it a pray i pray i pray after ski we uh we don't usually travel that much in the winter time because we've got football on TV and then we've got the Super Bowl.
I guess we did go out west last year for the Super Bowl to Vegas. Yeah.
But yeah, we don't really travel that much in the wintertime. I love it out west.
Yeah, I had a great time. We're going to go to Tahoe every year.
Grit Week will not be out west next year. We did.
I think we've actually. Talking about San Diego week.
We've kind of done a good. If you look at the grit week year after year, the last time we went out west was five years ago.
So this was the first time in five years that we did it. It just happened that we did Tahoe.
Yeah, Tahoe will be every year. Yeah.
I mean, the West Coast is a hidden gem. It is.
Los Angeles. People don't talk about it.
Los Angeles is great. California.
California. Malibibu hidden gym they should write some songs about california i don't think that would play the boo uh where is the furthest place you would travel if it meant you got to interview one of your white whales white whale so like katie belichick miley who else yaoming brady brady Yao Ming Brady Brady Yao Ming

White Whale

Key West

I would go

I would go to Brazil

They would eventually be back

Brady probably wouldn't be in Brazil

I don't know why

Columbia

It wouldn't make sense in my head

I'd be like

Aren't you coming back

Hank would you go to Hawaii

To interview Tom Brady

Yep

Wow

I mean

That's a shocker

That's far

That's a. Hawaii, I'd go to Europe.
Hank, would you go to the beach? But I would just simply say, aren't they coming back? What if the answer was no? KD's never coming back. He might not.
He was having fun on that water slide. Dude, I love that water slide pick.
He is the most relatable. Put your arms up like a little kid.
Our last one. Hey, guys.
Just curious how close of friends you are outside the show. Do you consider each other more of coworkers or friends? Family.
I think, yeah, it's closer than friends. Actually, Mickey Hart kind of got on it where it was like he had a line there in the interview where he was like, you know, maybe you're not spending every second it but when you're when you're in it together there's no bond like it yeah um and that's kind of how it is i mean i spend outside of my immediate family i spend the majority of my time with everyone in this room yeah yeah yeah i mean we're not going out on fr Friday night because we're spending 70 hours together.
Yeah.

And also, like, if you've got three kids, it's probably not.

Yeah.

You probably can't be like, hey, I'm going to hit happy hour.

I would say it's as close to family as you can get.

I consider you guys my family.

Yeah, I do too.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, it's family.

I was thinking about that the other day.

Like, the fact that we've been working together for eight years, nine years? Eight years. Eight years? Is it eight full years now? Eight full years.
Eight and a half. Eight and a half years.
Eleven for me and Big Cat. Yeah, eight and a half years.
And like most shows, if you work with anybody for eight and a half years, there will be little petty conflicts that end up driving the show up. Not us.
Not us. No petty conflicts.
Not all of that. And the fact that we've avoided going at each other's throats at all.
Yeah, completely. It's actually great.
It's very healthy for me and Big Cat to have Hank in this. Oh, yeah.
He absolutely is. He's nuclear deterrent.
Yeah. It is crazy, though.
Listen, like, I mean, even what recently it was Desus and Mero, you know, the whole documentary about Francesa and Mad Dog just not speaking off air. Yeah.
Like, we are very blessed. What? No, I mean, I think that you guys have joined in hating me, and that has helped you guys.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.
It's a very useful position. I was thinking the other day, I don't know if I said this on the show, but I feel like the first 10 years of your life, you don't really remember or like you're not really in control of it.
It's basically your parents, you know, they set up your play dates. They set up what you're doing.
They set up your hobbies, whatever. And then 10 to 20, you're kind of in more control.
You know what you're doing. You know what you like.
But so it's basically 10 to 20, 20 to 30 for me. And it's like half my life has with yeah you guys yeah the i i texted you guys uh when you guys were out uh right i get what you're saying yeah yeah the last week of august when i was here and you guys were out i texted you like what day two and i was like i miss you guys because it was like obviously there's a lot of people that i work with here and i i love all of them but it was brandon it was very weird not having you guys here i was just like i kept on like kind of wandering around being like oh i wonder what max is up to i wonder what pft is up to oh shit they're not here yeah so don't ever leave again okay hank no what do you mean no i will leave again vacations i feel like coming to work is a vacation no it's about to be.
That is true. Well, you don't think that.
I do. I just like, again, whatever.
We've been doing it for so long, I've said this a million times. We work a lot.
I like to recharge and refresh. Play a lot.
And by recharge and refresh. Come back violently hungover.
Super hungover. It's the air and water show.
That's true. On Sunday? It was on sunday just for the record too i i wanted to say that hank i i for a moment i felt bad for saying that you were hung over on sunday's show but it was i like to me there's hangovers a regular hangovers like don't mention it you your your body like couldn't you your whole aura was zapped out of you yeah i was like i was fully depressed i had it was like a oh it was it was shocking to see you even try to come up with words yeah that's fair yeah i wanted to let everyone i was in a full full state of depression but it was worth it but we elevator depression.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was worth it. All right.
Good show. Let's do numbers.
20. 17.
8. 56.
3. Shane? I got to wait for Pug.
I always go after Pug. But 21.
Pug's gonna take 99.

Pug is 99.

Here he is.

Here he is.

Say it, Pug.

99, Pug.

By the way, Pug's dream is to have somebody recognize him at some point when we're out.

So, please, next time you see Pug, just go up to him and be like, Pug, I dig your vibe.

61.

Love you guys. Happy technology.
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