John Elway, Mt Rushmore Of After School Snacks, Olympics Are Here And Team USA (Most Of Them) Played Their First Game

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I was teasing it on Twitter today, PFT, and I said that it was one of those interviews

that we don't do it very often, but I was legitimately starstruck.

He's a legend.

It's John Elway.

He was football.

He was part of those interviews that we don't do it very often, but I was legitimately starstruck. He's a legend.
It's John Elway. He was football.
He was part of some of the most iconic games, plays, Super Bowls, college games ever. And we talked to everything.
He literally got the whole interview. He was cool with us.
We even talked about Paxton Lynch. So awesome interview we're going to talk a little olympics team usa had their first official game of the olympics uh hank is on vacation but he is going to join us for some jason tatum talk and then we do a very fun rushmore crazy oh crazy oh i thought he was going to join he's going to join us hank you're yet.
It's going to be an all-time spin zone. And then after the John Elway interview will be our Mount Rushmore, which is a very fun one, Mount Rushmore of after-school snacks.
After-school snacks. And we are.
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Today is Monday, July 29th, and PFT football is back. What a great weekend.
It was back together weekend for the NFL. It is back.
What I'm talking about now, I know that preseason doesn't matter anymore, and I know the Hall of Fame game on Thursday, there will probably be no starters playing, but this is the beginning of the first week where every single week for the next 26 weeks we will have football on our TV and again I know that there's not going to be actual like starters playing on Thursday night but seeing the helmets seeing the ball seeing the field football is back we're going to get to the kickoffs see the kickoffs no it was back together weekend i don't know if you saw that but the nfl was making a real hard push to call this back together weekend oh jim ursay came to a first practice it's the first time being seen in public since december yeah it's it's good to see every team you get all the little nuggets most of them don't make any difference whatsoever but you get to see like a new quarterback making the easy pass be like damn that spiral looks tight yeah daniel jones missing malik neighbors missing malik neighbors that one i saw one where he did complete a pass down the sidelines some malik neighbors who only got one foot in and put that out as like we got it we got ourselves a weapon yeah um yeah just the social media from the first weekend of the nfl being back is awesome because every team you think you're going to be like 10 wins. I can talk myself into 10 wins for any team except for maybe not the Panthers.
Yeah. But like it's – I do feel like I have a renewed sense of optimism.
Yes. Football season, baby.
Jaden Daniels looks good. Jaden Daniels looks awesome.
And then do you think we'll get to see any Caleb? No, I don't think so. But it doesn't matter.
It's about seeing on the TV the graphic, the kickoff, the helmets. I'm going to watch maybe three minutes of it.
Oh, no. I'm going to watch a lot of it, and we're going to get to see probably a new score bug that we all get to complain about.
Yeah. There's all sorts of cool stuff that goes in with starting a new league year.
And, man, I feel like this was a long offseason. But we're back, baby.
It did feel like the longest offseason. We will also probably get to see a little Tyson Bajan, which will be awesome.
That'll be great, yeah. He said that he was so locked in.
He doesn't give a fuck about bringing in whether there was going to be someone who was brought in or not as a competitive backup. He said he's been grinding his absolute face off.
I love that. He doesn't even know.
I love that. We're also going to get, for the first time this year, in-game coach interviews.
Yeah. Like on the sidelines.
Florida just reported that. It had something to do with the NFL trial for Sunday ticket, and the judge was like, you need to make this more fan-friendly.
I know what we'll do. In-game interviews with coaches, who I'm sure will really give a lot of good nuggets for all the fans watching at home.
Guys who don't want to be interviewed being forced to interview. Yeah, you want to see Jim Harbaugh talk on camera for five seconds a half? Yeah.
That'll do it. Yeah, this will do it.
But yeah, football is back. It feels good to have football back.
Now, this week, like we said, is a little bit of a different week. Hank's on vacation.
Max is on vacation. PFT, you're about to head out.
We have the takeies on Wednesday. We have a great interview coming Friday.
We'll do a Zoom intro. And also probably my favorite Mount Rushmore we've done of the season thus far.
But we have Hank here on Zoom because U.S. men's basketball team played their first game today uh well some of them played their first tyree saliburton didn't get in but i mean no one expected him to get it yeah like he's a top five player yeah so so 10 of the 12 guys played their first game very noticeably absent was one jason tatum who afterwards uh was asked if he's sick or hurt.
He said, no, I'm fine. Did not play a single minute.
Henry, what are your thoughts? Steve Curry's a piece of shit. That's really what this all boils down to.
Jason Tatum did have a better plus-minus than Joel Embiid.

Yes, that's true.

Which Max is in Paris right now, and we have a video.

We asked him to record a video message addressing the fact that Joel Embiid

was simply horrendous in this game.

I think the stats were – I have them right here.

They were – with Joel Embiid playing, they were minus-eight. Without him playing, him playing they were plus 34 and they were booing the shit out of him too the french fans don't like joel and bead because they offered him a passport yeah back like two years ago i think burned him because they were like we want we want to get wimby we want to get gay and we want to get uh joel and bead to play and just go with like a monster like like Monstars lineup.
Yeah. And Embiid said, no, I'm going to wait.
Go bear. Okay.
Not gay. Yeah.
Go bear. I was going to say Rudy is French.
The other, I think if your name is Rudy, you have a French passport. But no, I was like, is there, is Rudy gay going to be, cause Rudy gay is one of those guys that he was like a creative player, the perfect like size, everything.
And and he just for some reason it was never like what he was supposed to be but if you told me he was going to be playing in these Olympics I'd be like yeah that makes sense he's still around for France him and OJ Mayo him and OJ Mayo I'm like yeah they'll be great great in 2K yeah so I feel like France they're pissed off at Joel Embiid just like everybody else except for philly fans are and even they hate him sometimes but yeah hank that's a good spin zone where it's like it could have been worse he could have played in stunk yeah but he was you could see him on the sidelines and he wasn't he he didn't seem like he was super locked in or super happy when we were doing like if you're an injured player on the sidelines you clap that shit up you know you you root your guys on but if you're just upset that you're not in and maybe steve kerr's doing this on purpose yeah maybe steve kerr's trying to stop the dynasty before it starts no see that's what i i appreciate about steve kerr even though he's a classless piece of shit jason tatum was there last olympics he led the team gold medal lebron wasn't there steph curry wasn't there joel and bead wasn't there somehow Joel Embiid starting this game, he's the worst player on the fucking team, probably in the whole Olympics. But also, I should be screaming.
They glossed over, they didn't put Jalen Brown on the team. And now this, the Celtics are going to be the most motivated championship winning team of all time coming into next year.
It's going to be great for Jason Tatum to be back on a team

and an organization that actually appreciates him.

So in a way, I'm happy that Steve Kerr did what he did,

even though he's a piece of shit.

Okay, so Derek White and Drew Holiday did play a lot,

and they played well.

Question for you, Hank.

Does Jason Tatum, do you think he took a shower after the game?

No. Do you think he showered with the boys just to kind of feel some camaraderie? No, probably not.
Yeah, that's tough. So you think he's going to get heavy minutes in the second game? Yeah.
I mean, Steve Curry's little excuse after was like, you know, with KD coming. The thing is they were up 20.
Like, he's all NBA. Not all games.
Wait, are you saying Jason Tatum should at least be a walk-on scrub player? He couldn't find time to put him in or whatever, which is just bullshit. Just let him play.
I think what Hank's saying is that the team did really, really well without Jason Tatum on the court. Also, Kevin Durant was out of this world good.
He started the game 8- 8, could not miss. You wanted Jason Tatum to play instead of him? No, I just think when you have a guy, again, he's put in the time.
He's an all-NBA first-team player the last two years. He just won an NBA championship.
I think he can find him a couple minutes and at least mix him in the rotation. It's pretty disrespectful not to, but it is what it is.
But you were saying you would rather, you think that he should get the minutes of an NBA Finals MVP guy. I never said that.
Like that's literally you just putting words in my mouth. I never, ever once said that.
But Kevin Durant played so well today. You can't take him out when he's shooting that well.
And he also has won an NBA Finals MVP. kevin duran played phenomenally yeah kevin duran's an all-time player yeah and kevin duran has embraced the nickname finally the slim reaper yes which is about goddamn time because it's such a good nickname he had the slim reaper he had the tarantula and he was like no i want to be called the servant instead because he didn't feel he was worthy of the nickname no this is a slim reaper we have a reaper kevin durant in these olympics yes and he uh yeah he was he was incredible um i mean he does play well on super teams yeah it's true it's a fact it's true uh so hank any other any other comments from vacation because this had to have you know you're on vacation you deserve your vacation um to then see this happen you're like god damn it i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to do like 10 minutes of my job today that's gotta be brutal yeah i did listen to the podcast earlier parada's podcast i got one minute in before i turned it off so why why we say we were nice i think i think you started by well again because it's like i talked to guys behind the, the Wednesday.
My whole family family. Wednesday start of a vacation.
They're all going to get together for the first time, and I don't know how long. Do you mind if I take Wednesday off? Like, yeah, absolutely.
No problem. Do what you got to do.
Like, no worries. And then I listen to the podcast, and it's like, well, Hank's out here.
He fucking took a vacation with the musicians. I mean, the Lockwoods start their vacations on Wednesdays.
Yeah. Do you not regretting going even earlier? The Lockwoods didn't plan their vacation around the vacation you planned that you're not even taking.
You should have gone earlier, Hank. You should have taken two weeks.
Yeah. I might just not.
I might just stay out here. Well, the good news is you are going to make it back next week for us to golf.
Which I didn't plan, for the record. Well, you did.
Well, I am planning it now, but you set it up. No, you set it all up.
No, you set it up. You said, do you want to play golf? And I said, sure.
Oh, on Friday. Yeah.
I thought you were talking about a great week. Well, yeah, you plan this vacation week, Big Cat.
I know. And I had circumstances that made me not take a vacation.
But I plan this vacation week. Right, and then I was like, hey, I know we planned this vacation week.
My family's getting together, and do you mind if I take one day? I'm like, yeah, no problem. Of course.
Is that how we say it? No, I'm just happy that you're happy, Hank, because I'm looking forward to you getting back in the best of moods. Yeah, and hopefully Jason Tatum plays at least a minute before you get back.
Yeah, so this is kind of like a big vacation for jason tatum yeah that's true he's going over france get an all-expense paid vacation to france his week has been the exact same as max's yeah probably down to how many crepes they've been eating yeah yeah okay hank well any other last words on jason tatum good job to derrick white and drew. Love those guys.
Miss you guys. I miss you guys a lot.
Yeah, it was fun seeing you. You will be part of Mount Rush where we taped those last week.
So you'll still hear from Hank. But we had to at least check in on.
Oh, you also turned it off because the aura conversation came back. I don't even think I made it that far.
Yeah. The aura conversation.
i discussed it and let's be honest given what happened today he lost a thousand you can't also you guys didn't like no his or is at all time lows right now you can't you can't see him on the bench he was on the bench sulking oh actually no no no no this is where you're wrong. Okay.
Don't wake the baby. Hank's a father.
No, it's his nephew. Double uncle.
Double uncle. Double uncle.
What's that? I have a niece and nephew. Oh, wow.
It's still just a single uncle. Both.
Uncle of two. The clip of him shaking his head and chewing the gum on the bench is like that's an aura clip that's a okay when he drops 40 like when he like that's a when he fucking drops 60 on steve kirk's dumb ass face next year okay all right so hank is this is this considered aura when um trusted twitter account nba central tweets out jason tatum passed 300 Gatorade cups to his teammates,

breaking Thanasis Antetokounmpo's record.

And then Gatorade replies and says,

man of the people, and then quickly deletes it because Jason Tatum is a Gatorade athlete

and it's making fun of Jason Tatum.

Yeah, Gatorade fucking sucks too.

I like body armor.

Okay, fair point.

Yeah, good point.

Facts.

Okay, well, Hank, thank you,

and we'll see you in a few days. Yeah, see you Friday'm looking forward to it okay yeah for the golf bye hank bye okay that was uh henry lockwood our good friend uh and yeah jason team did look sad he looked very sad and i like to just imagine hank watching the game and being like okay here's support my country jason country.
Jason's going to get in soon. Yeah.
And then the first quarter's over. Well, Jason's got to get in and start the second quarter.
And then at what point do you just opt out of the game? I mean, Derek White and Drew Holiday did play well, but it is Jason Tatum. Now that Hank is not on, I actually will back him.
What the fuck is Steve Kerr doing? It was a weird move. Just put him in for five minutes just you can so it's not a story right now it's a very strange move and maybe he's going to go with a completely different rotation in game two and have tatum play like the entire time and have somebody else sit out for most of the game yeah i don't know i don't know what steve kerr's up to but it would be awesome if steve kerr was just trying to fuck with the celtics chemistry right now yeah and just piss off their star player it was fun watching this team play because they're just so loaded.
Like watching LeBron throw alley-oops to Anthony Edwards is just fun. Yeah, and I loved LeBron was pissed off today too.
Yeah. We got old-school angry LeBron, which is nice to see.
And, yeah, made Jokic look human at times. Although Jokic got whatever he wanted when he was posting up.
You can't stop that. And he also is playing with, you know, I mean, I think Jovich is on an NBA roster, but he's not playing with the guys that LeBron's playing.
It's not really fair. You think Jokic is going to stop by the equestrian competition for a while? He's got to.
Check out some horses. He's probably living with the horses.
He's probably sleeping in the stables. Memes was watching it today, and he was getting a little horny.

About the horses?

No, the women.

Okay.

That's better than I thought.

Yeah.

You're into the crazy horse girls memes?

Yeah, I found out you can bet on it.

It's called dressage.

Yeah, dressage.

Oh, that's where the horses do the crip walk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Either way, the Olympics have started.

It was a wild opening ceremony that I think they've deleted from the internet uh because it was getting some backlash it was weird the olympics are they're very strange about rights though i know every year they will come at they shut down twitter accounts left and right for posting the highlights yeah i'm saying like the actual olympics i think they because the opening ceremonies were it was basically uh watching a boat go by and then uh like a fever dream uh episode or uh zoolander that was what it was there was it was just like guys guys and girls walking up and down a rain drenched runway and then like oh and there is uh finland yeah it it was strange uh there was that one part where there was a lady that was holding her head yeah and then she started singing and then gojira the heavy metal band started absolutely rocking out yeah that part was kind of cool and then the the blue guy and the guy was weird blue guy was weird then they had the horse in the river uh the white horse that was kind of cool then they lit the flame, but it wasn't. Yeah, the Olympic flame, but it really wasn't.
It was a balloon. It was a balloon that went up in the air.
Yeah, they had Rafa Nadal carry the torch. Yeah, that was just very bizarre.
Maybe the most cucked behavior that I've ever seen to have one of your country's rivals as like a prominent figure at the very end. It's like, wasn't Chicago supposed to get the Olympics? We were in the running for these Olympics.
Thank God we didn't get them. Yeah.
That would be like having Aaron Rodgers. Yeah.
Or Miss O'Leary's cow gets to light the torch. Yeah.
Very, very bizarre. I guess because he always wins the French Open.
Yeah. That's it? That's it.
Yeah. He's a French national hero.
I guess he is kind of like part of French history. Yeah.
He just wins the French Open. I think that maybe that's what it was.
Like Vietnam gets the Olympics. We're going to have Sylvester Stallone.
Yeah. Like the torch for his work in Rambo.
Yeah. It was, I enjoyed it, but it was also very bizarre at times.
Then we also had the picture of LeBron on the boat, which was sick. That was a cool picture.
Yeah. It looked like Washington crossing the Delaware.
Yeah. Just leading the charge.
Him and, was it Coco Gauff, right? Coco Gauff. The other flag bearer.
Yeah. I get sick of all the countries, though.
There's too many countries. There's a lot of countries.
Can we make less countries in the world? Well, it also kind of sucks when you don't have enough athletes, you had to share the boat with like three other countries. Yeah.
That was a little bit of a cock bait. That's really rough.
Yeah. Okay, what else in the sports world we have? MLB trade deadline is this week.
Hot stove week. Hot stove week.
The Yankees made a move. The Cubs made a move, who are not buyers.
The Mariners made a move. Mariners made a move.
I feel like the Mariners could do something. Yeah.
They've got good pitching. Yeah, they're a good team.
I mean, they've never done anything, but they're a good team. They've got good pitching.
Now maybe they have some hitting. Yeah.
The Cubs move was very much some people are upset because it looks like they're buyers. They got Paredes from the Rays, who is under contract for three years.
So I kind of like it. It's not a rent.
There's no rentals. If they did a rental, I'd be very upset.
It's trying to build basically like get early into free agency. Yeah.
So but yeah, there's we got we got who jazz is on the Yankees now. Jazz Chisholm.
Jazz Chisholm. Yeah.
I'm familiar with his. I just saw a bunch of Yankees fans being like he doesn't solve a lot of problems, but his name is really cool.
Yeah, there was that. And that is true.
Yeah. There was that great.
Do you see that catch in the outfield that wasn't in the Red Sox-Yankees game this weekend? No. The dude jumped into the stands, caught the ball, and as he's falling, the right fielder, as he's falling into the crowd, he bumps his glove on a Yankee fan.
The ball drops, and it's a home run. Ooh.
It's fucking wild. That is wild.
Have the Mets done anything, memes? The Mets traded for Jesse Winker. Okay.
From the Nationals, and then they also got a pitcher who got lit up today. Ryan Stanek.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Austin Riley pimped one. Yeah.
And I think the – oh, Max had his moment where he thought he was getting Mike Trout, which was fun. Yeah.
If Phillies – Jeff Passan tweeted that the Phillies traded their top two prospects to the Angels for help. And it was, I think, just a pitcher they got.
Yeah. Mike Trout, I don't know if he would want to play in Philly.
I think he'd want to. He likes football season too much.
I think he'd be like, great, I've been wearing a Phillies jersey underneath my Angels jersey every game. I think he loves Philadelphia, but there's probably something nice to him about just not having to worry about expectations at all.
Yeah, yeah. I know what's going to happen, by the way.
The Cubs just getting any name, new name, in the trade deadline, even though it's not a rental, I'm going to convince myself, like, oh, they might get hot.

I mean, you just get in the playoffs.

Pitching is good.

Weird shit happens in the playoffs.

Yeah.

I forgot to say, so Embiid was the other story from the basketball game, and we had Max send us a video because he's in Europe.

We didn't want him to zoom in.

It's like 4 in the morning there. But we asked Max to please address the fact that Embiid sucks.
So here's max. All right.
I'm here in Paris. Nice game.
Embiid may not have had his best game, but I didn't watch it because I was in my French hotel, and for some reason they were playing men's French volleyball.

So I don't really know what to say.

All I can really say is that he at least played the game.

You got to give someone credit for wanting to go out there

and represent the country of the USA.

Can't say that about everyone else on the court.

Can't say that about everyone else on the court.

And he's got to shoot more.

And Djokovic had a much worse half in the second half than he did in the half so there are positives we can build off this it's just game one it's a long tournament and beat will be the elite self that he is we'll be fine jason tatum sucks no worry okay so uh it's not really a long term it's two weeks uh but the this is one of those times pft where i realize uh it just pays to be us and such tremendous losers because we're making hank and uh max answer for their players hank has three players from his team on the on on the court but we're making them answer for for their players sucking uh when we wouldn't even come close to even coming close to having a guy on the court no of our teams and so i i pointed out i made a meme actually josh giddy was really awesome uh for australia i was i i made a meme earlier and it was the uh the drake when he was wearing the uk the kentucky outfit and people said bro thinks he's on the team it was jason tatum just on the sidelines wearing team usa he thinks he's on the team somebody responded to me and they said can you even name your top five wizards in franchise history and that i thought about it i was like this is this is actually a fair point yeah it's it's a good problem to have i guess but what we've successfully done is hank and max are so beaten down by us going after tatum's aura which is a made-up thing that doesn't actually exist correct but it pisses him off and then in bead not winning championships they're so mad about that that they just turn on each other instead right so max's whole thing was just like chasing tatum wasn't on the court he has no aura at least in bead was on the court yeah and hank's whole thing was at least he didn't get on the court and embarrass himself like in bead so we've done a done a great job as puppet masters. Having our little marionettes.
They should turn on us and unite to fight against us, but they're just at each other's throats, which is beautiful. We can't let them ever figure out that they could fight against us.
No. Because once that day happens, if they unionize against us, we're fucked.
Yeah, but they also naturally hate each other. Yeah, they hate each other.
And, I mean, it's one of those things that when we, if you just put us in the arena with either of them in a debate, it just falls apart very quickly for them. So there was one other thing about the Olympics that I wanted to make note of, and that was, did you see the Bob the cap catcher guy? Yes, awesome.
Okay, so Bob the cap catcher, one of the swimmers lost her swim cap in the pool. They had to delay the start of the next race because there was a swim cap on the bottom of the pool and the swimmers aren't allowed to get in there and get it out themselves so they call this random dude out they said he's an olympic official he comes out wearing a multi-colored speedo and he's got i guess dad bod would be a fair way to describe his body yes he doesn't look like an olympic athlete he's not he's not in bad shape but he he's not like he doesn't have an olympic body yeah he's not chiseled in marble yeah and so bob comes out in speedo dives in gets the cap goes to the sideline holds it up the announcers go nuts for him it was a very cool moment but then i started to think about it are we being played why should we stay woke on bob the cap catcher just a viral moment that they're trying a viral moment planted or maybe he's maybe he's like working for an advertising firm and he's like a mascot of some company are they trying to are they trying to incept us into viral moments do they name dudes bob in france that's a that's a great point i think it would just real bad it'd be real there yeah yeah there's no way there's anyone anyone in France that's a French national that's Bob.
Bob. No, no.
It's Robert. Yeah.
It would be Robert, and they would never dream of short-knit Rob. And they had the fucking minions in the opening ceremony doing advertising work for Disney.
Oh, by the way, Peyton Manning just being on the opening ceremony. That was weird.
Yeah. I was just watching.
Is that Peyton Manning's voice? I don't want to share my football players with the rest of the world. No.
They don't get to know about all the cool stuff that we watch that they don't get to watch. I do like the fact the Olympics, though, because there's so many sports, they really have to stretch it thin on announcers.
So you had Peyton Manning. I think Kelly Clarkson was on it.
Dwayne Wade did the USA game today. Dwayne Wade, I thought he did a fine job.
You don't need a catchphrase for every moment. He was trying to do any, and if he does the, his pronouns are he, him for LeBron one more time, I'm going to put a bullet in my head.
It was bad. He's done that so many goddamn times.
That part was really bad. He did one, he has one good line and he's like, I'm just going to fucking keep doing it.
I feel like they'll get better. They did an okay job.
No, I thought Wayne Wade in totality was fine. It's more that you could tell he's trying to do catchphrases on every moment.
It's fine. We're good.
Yeah. And Noah Eagle, I don't know how his voice sounds like he's been doing it for 50 years, but it's insane.
Yeah, it's a big game voice. Yeah.
And then Mike Tirico was doing the opening ceremonies. To me, that feels like that would be a very hard thing to announce.
Yeah. Like all the countries and shit and getting all the timing right.
And meanwhile, you feel like you're on acid because you have a horse running across the water. And Peyton Manning and Kelly Clarkson sitting on either side of you.
Yeah. They bring out the weirdest celebrities for the olympics yeah it's really strange how they go the people with like the the highest q scores that were super popular 10 years ago yeah that's what it is it is so um yeah that's the olympics we'll talk about more olympics as the games progress i think we've we already won a gold medal right yeah we got we got a gold got a gold in the 100 meter? Yeah.
You know, Dressel, a recurring guest? That's right, yeah. Great dude.
So was he the guy that we got into the debate with over whether the pool was blue or the water was blue? I believe so. What did we figure out about that? I don't think we got an answer to it.
We got to restart that. Oh, here's the medals race.
Okay. USA, number one.
Three golds. we get all our goals did we dominate the summer olympics it's a fucking joke these guys try so hard the swimming events i think it was swimming i think we won oh we won fence we won a golden fencing shout out joc he laid the groundwork uh yeah swimming katie ledecky finished third though yeah that was that was tough tough to watch.
That's bad. Did you see the Taiwanese diver that landed on his back? No.
That dude rocks. I got to see that.
That's the other thing is, like you said, they don't let you share highlights. Yeah.
So it's like you can't really see anything. You just got to be tuned in.
I guess that's what they're trying to do, but it would be nice to be able to see some highlights. I think that U.S.
Women's Rugby could win the gold medal because they've got Ilona Mayer. She had two all-time truck stick runs.
She's like Lady Rob Gronkowski. That's awesome.
I think it was a top play on SportsCenter tonight, but she's fucking awesome. She's just a tank running people over.
So maybe we'll get a gold medal from that in rugby. I'll count that as just rugby being back if her ladies can get one.
Olympicsics are fun olympics are fun free sports all right wait oh it was uh it was the was it a taiwanese or was it it was the phil i think it was a filipino diver yeah the guy who just like smashes back yeah yeah that was awesome that was sick and then south sudan won in basketball shout outol Dang. Luol Dang's got that program going the right direction.
We got to play him on Tuesday. Okay.
Anything else sports-wise? Reminder, again, takeies are on Wednesday. Great takeies coming up.
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Who's back the week? We're going to do the Mount Rushmore on the other side of the John Elway interview like i said uh when hank was on hank and max we we already recorded that so they will be part of it they're not going to miss mount rushmore after school snacks yeah after school snacks which uh was very funny uh pft your who's back of the week my who's back of the week is spygate oh but this time it's canadian oh the The Canadian women's soccer team has sent their coach home. Their assistant coach and technical analyst have also been sent home.
They have been docked six points in the group stage, which is equivalent to two wins. So they're out.
No, they're not out. But six points is they're going to be out.
They won their first two games. Oh, so they're back to zero? So if they win their third game, I think they qualify for the next round.
Wow. They have to win all three.
But their coach, it was against New Zealand. So New Zealand is practicing.
And the coach hears a whir in the background. He looks up in the sky.
There's a fucking drone there. It's like one of those Ukrainian-Russian videos that they force feed us on Twitter now.
but he sees the drone notifies the people at the olympics the officials look into it they find the footage it's a canadian drone and apparently they've been doing this uh going back years back in like world cups they've been spygating on people's practices wow so they got caught but then now they're on a fuck you tour and they're beating everybody so if they win their their next game, I'm pretty sure they automatically qualify for the next one. So this is a dumb question.
What do you spy on for soccer? Just formations, I guess. They're running fast down the field.
Yeah. Let them pass to that person.
This person, it looks like they're really, really hurt. Oh, no, wait.
They just got up. They're fine.
I guess they're set pieces. Yeah, you could spy probably on set pieces and just formations that's probably all you get got it and they've been doing this going back years but it was funny because you could look at where they were alleged to have used the drone and then the result of the game and they were getting their ass kicked with the drone oh so it wasn't like they were actually wasn't working that much from but they still were trying to drone they were getting their obama on.
I kind of like that. If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Yeah.

And it's also like, I don't know, soccer drones.

Just do it.

Yeah.

I mean, I am in favor of trying to get an edge wherever you can.

Yeah.

That's very, like very brazen.

Yeah.

So like, here's a drone over your practice.

I hope they don't see it.

Yeah.

Okay.

My who's back of the week is Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer's back.
I just saw that he has an update to his brew house. Urban Meyer's brew house.
He has a Mexican style lager. Do you know the name of it? No.
Oh, triple A keys. No.
Okay. It's called L Lager.
L. L Lager.
No, E-L. Oh, E-L.
L Lager. L Lager.
Okay. That's great.
That's great. I love it.
That sounds like what Budweiser would put on with her can of beers like the NBA does during Hispanic Heritage Month. Yeah, exactly.
L Lager. Yeah.
But here's the kicker PFT. Don't say kicker around Urban.
Yeah, that's true. He took a picture from, I guess, his co-owner, some gentleman at his brew house where they sell El Lager.
He's wearing the exact same polo as the famous knight, and you can't see where his right hand is. So Urban Meyer might just be putting his fingers up buttholes again.
Urban Meyer is probably a swinger. Yeah.
You remember when he was on that boat, right? And he was doing an interview? Oh, yeah. That shirtless guy was just walked around in the background? Yeah.
Yeah, you can't see where his right hand is, and he's taking a picture with four gentlemen, and the gentleman to his right has the biggest smile of anyone in the picture. He's getting goosed.
Yeah. And I don't think that's just the El Lager talking.
El Lager. Where is his brew house? I think it's in Columbus.
I might have to stop by. The Lager.
I'm going to be in Columbus on Friday. I'm going to do a little fact-finding tour.
Just do an El Lager review. I'll do a beer review of El Lager.
El Lager. I just love it.
It's like the laziest name you could come up with. L.
Also, the fact that you're calling it L is just red meat for Michigan fans. Oh, yeah.
Huey, your who's back of the week. My who's back? Swimming rivalries.
Oh. I feel like we haven't had a good swimming rivalry since Michael Phelps days and Ryan Lochte.
Who could forget Ian Crocker? You know, Chad LaClausse. Yeah, the Thorpedo.
Yeah, Ian Thorpe. Yeah.
So now Katie Ledecky's having a couple rivalries that have just beat her in the 400 meter. Ariane Titmus.
It's like Christmas but for tits. Yep.
From Australia. She's the Aussie.
She won the 400 meter by three full seconds.

That seems like a long time.

Yeah, it's not nothing.

It's not nothing.

Now, Katie Ledecky is still favored in the 800 meter

at a minus 400 and favored in the 1500 meter

at a minus 3500.

But three seconds is three seconds.

That could be another 100 meters.

I'm just going to say, I am a fan of Ariane Titmuss.

Titmuss.

Yeah, the Aussie.

I got a take I'll throw out there about swimming. Michael Phelps ruined swimming for me personally.
Why? That's fair. Because he was so goddamn dominant and it happened so recently that I'm watching swimming and I'm like, well, Phelps would have beaten all these guys.
Yeah. Do they do the line where it's like, here's where Phelps would have been? They should because it's like, you know what I mean? We saw it so recently, him just dominate everyone every single year, year after year.
And then to watch it now, they're still incredible athletes, but it's like Michael Phelps is in the studio right now. Like he probably could get in the pool and beat all of you right this second if he wanted to.
If he had grown up in this era. Yeah.
With this technology. Do we have any? I think it needs to be, there just needs to be more time or someone needs to start breaking Phelps' record for me to feel like, oh, wow, this is incredible.
We're watching because every time I just watch, maybe there have been records broken of his, but I just watch it, I'm like, Phelps would have fucking killed him. Do we have any good Olympic controversies? It feels like every time there's like a summer Olympic Games, there's a controversy about like a new suit somebody's wearing or about like a new bike helmet.
No. And then they go back and they're like, do these records even count because this water was faster? Yeah.
I don't know. Yeah.
The springy track. Yeah.
The springy track. I learned one the other day that's pretty fun uh in the tour de france uh there's a thing called sticky bottles have you ever heard this no so this is like a big cheating thing there was a guy basically as as angry as the tour de france can get it that's what it was he he confronted a competitor and said sticky bottle you sticky bottled that it's's when the car passes a bottle to the guy who's biking and the guy who's biking holds onto the bottle for like an extra beat and gets driven by the car because the guy that's taking the water back is pulling him in the car so like they'll pass the they'll pass the bottle out like this and and they'll grab it and basically use the push-off.
That's smart. Yeah, sticky bottles.
I don't know. It's just a fun controversy I learned about it.
Can you draft the car? Can you accidentally swerve in front of the car and let it hit you lightly from behind and snudge you up a little bit? But I would sticky bottle the fuck out of the Tour de Ville. Yeah, that's just a good idea.
I don't blame the cyclists at all. At least they're not using steroids anymore.

Well, and they also, the best part about the confrontation that I watched,

it wasn't in English, but I saw someone

explained it. One

guy was like, you sticky bottled,

and then the other guy was being accused of like,

where do you think I learned it? Basically being

like, you're the sticky bottle master. Yeah, it takes one to know

one. Yeah.
Yeah, I saw you do it

first. Yeah.
I do love cyclist fights, too.

Yeah. Have you ever seen when they actually like

try to throw hands? Yeah, it doesn't work. It's not really a fight.
They're in the realm of athletes that as soon as they get in a fight, they just start to try to kick. Yeah.
And you know that that's just. You do, like, yeah, like a flying leg kick because then you know at least the fight's over after you do that because somebody will jump on you on the ground and cover you up.
Yeah. All right, good job, Huey.
Memes, you got a who's back? Sure. Yeah.
Robert Downey Jr. Oh, yeah.
He is playing Dr. Doom.
Okay, so first of all, insult stat that I saw was very mean. They were like Robert Downey Jr.
between the time he was announced as Iron Man and the time he was announced as Dr. Doom.
The Bears only won one playoff game. That was mean of that person.
I don't even know what that time frame is. When was Robert Downey Jr.? Well, I do know the time frame because I know how many Bears playoffs.
Like 2006? Yeah, it was after they've won one game. But explain this to me, memes and PFT.
He was Iron Man. Yes.
Is he now Dr. Doom in the same universe? So wouldn't the characters say, hey, dude, aren't you Tony Stark? Yeah.
So the last Avengers movie, there was the next phase of Marvel, which was the multiverse, where they could go into different. There's different versions of each character in different universes.

Now, the person, the bad guy, they made the entire plot around.

Like dozens of movie beat his girlfriend.

So now he's out.

And Robert Downey Jr., for the record, has never done anything wrong.

Not recently. Not since he's been Iron Man.
Okay, okay, got it. That's a funny little wrinkle there.
Did Marvel just trick America into doing Greek mythology? Because I feel like this is our version of Greek mythology, right? Like 2,000 years from now, there'll be a society and they're going to unearth all these old Marvel movies and be like, this is what Americans believed in. They thought that there was a giant dude that snapped its fingers and would kill everybody.
And then Ant-Man will be like the weird question no one gets right. Yeah.
I just love that there's an Ant-Man. They made a movie.
Paul Rudd, right? Yeah. Didn't he fly up some dude's butt and explode? The minute I saw Ant-Man, I was like, this has gone too far.
All right. So I can see fifth graders in like the year the year 4000 studying Marvel and being like, this is what Americans believe.
Yeah. This is what they were up to.
I actually might start, because we talked about it on that Mount Rushmore, things we hadn't seen. I've never seen a Marvel movie.
I might start with Ant-Man. Go straight from Ant-Man? Go to Ant-Man.
All right. So back to Dr.
Doom, who is so original Dr. Doom, got in trouble.
Robert Downey Jr. squeaky clean.
He takes over Dr. Doom.
But again, won't people be like, dude, wasn't that Tony Stark? Yeah. So the prediction is that he is, this is an alternate universe Tony Stark, who's a bad Iron Man.
That's Dr. Doom.
Oh, it's like twin brothers. So he still is Iron Man.
Yes, pretty much. And who is Dr.
Doom? Dr. Doom.
Is he related to Big Justice, the Doom and Boom guys? No, afraid not. He is the bad guy in Fantastic Four.
Okay. Okay.
So what does he do? No relation to the Rizzler? No relation. Okay.
Does he have any powers? He's just a badass made out of metal. People are excited about this, right? Yeah, people are pumped.
I'm excited about this too. Can't wait.
They scrapped everything and then they brought back Robert Downey Jr. The Russo brothers are directing it, who directed the last two Avengers.
Everything's been bad up until this point. Wait, it's gone bad? Yeah, this last phase of Marvel

has been very bad. Well, did they run out of source

material? Are they still using the comic

books? They're kind of using

the comic books, but they dove into the

multiverse, which has just gotten

very confusing.

And now they're trying to bring it all back and save it.

Got it. Okay.

I can't wait

for Doctor Doom. I'm fucking jazzed.
Yeah, Dr. Doom slash Tony Stark.
Okay. Thanks, meme.
I'm excited. I'm excited to not watch it, but I'm excited for other people to be excited.
Were people excited? People are pumped. He got a big pop.
He did. Okay.
I'm excited for people to watch it and then be pissed off about it because I thought it would be good and then it's not good. Yeah, I want people to be mad.
I want people to complain about the casting of a movie. I'm excited.
That's the best. I'm excited to see people pissed off walking out of movie theaters being like, that was not a realistic portrayal of Doctor Doom.
Yeah, isn't there a Bob Dylan biopic coming out? People are pissed about that one. Who's playing him? That's why people are pissed.
Wait, who would be the person that would piss off the most people playing? Robert Pattinson? No, it's one of the new guys. The new...
Timothee Chalamet. Okay.
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Like Marvel stuff? Yeah.'s too confusing for me it's way after i did after i missed the first like five movies i was like i'm just not gonna do this we should have robbie just make us a big chart if i could see a chart i think it would help but there's been so many movies there's a timeline of movies when they came out i also need to we should just we should sneak attack everyone and just go into a bunker and watch every single one and then just come out and just start heavy, heavy drops of like, oh, it's like this time in this movie. Yeah.
You're like, what the fuck just happened? I've been doing that for the last three episodes. I've been dropping Godfather quotes.
Yeah. Yeah.
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It is our chill week interviews presented by Coors Light and Chevy Silverado. It is NFL Hall of Famer, John Elway, living legend.
I got to tell you this, John, just to start. We've been doing this for eight years now.
We've had a ton of different guys come through and great interviews. You're up there with maybe a little nerves because you are such a living legend.
Do you realize how much of a living legend you are? No. I'm still looking out from these same eyes as I did my whole life.
Okay. So, no, I think that, you know, I was happy to be able to play as long as I played and very, very fortunate.
But, no, I'm still looking out at the same eyes and so enjoying life and, you know, glad to be here with you guys. Yeah, I think what big cats get at, too, and at least for me, is growing up when I fell in love with football, you were football.
Yeah. You were a huge part of the NFL.
And so those formative years where we fell in love with the game, that was John Elway. I was watching John Elway comebacks.
We're children of the 90s. Unfortunately, that's a long time ago.
But, you know, it was a lot of fun while I played. You know, I played in a great era.
You know, Danny Marino, Jim Kelly, you know, Warren Moon, all those guys. It was Joe Montana.
So, I mean, we had a, you know, a bevy of great quarterbacks back then. It was really It was really special times to play.
Obviously, they're making a heck of a lot more money now, but I'm not sure I would trade that. I really enjoyed playing the time when I played and with the guys I played with.
Well, have you ever thought about today's day and age in the NFL, guys are passing for such insane numbers, what your numbers would have looked like if you were – they would have been crazy. Not only that, I look at how they get protected now.

They get protected a heck of a lot more now

than we did back when we played.

So I think I'd enjoy that even probably more than the money

and maybe played a little bit longer.

But, you know, the game has just kept growing and growing.

And, you know, the players and athletes are getting so good now.

And, you know, so with the offenses opening up

and the protection, you know, rules that they're putting in to protect some of the the players is I think is all a good thing but uh you know it just continues to keep growing and growing yeah so so PFT mentioned us falling in love with football in the 90s when when did you fall in love with football I know you're a son of a coach so you were around it your whole life but when was the first moment we were like this is this is the sport I love? Because obviously we'll talk about it. You're baseball.
You're an incredible baseball player. But when was it football? You know, when I was younger, because my dad was a coach, like you said.
So we kind of bounced around. I lived in Missoula, Montana when I was like first through fifth grade.
So I didn't start playing. I played baseball and basketball a lot.
Tackle football didn't start until I was in the fifth grade. I played one year of fifth grade in Missoula, Montana.
I was a running back. And then we moved from there to Pullman, Washington at Washington State.
And they really didn't have, Pullman's not big enough to have a really a youth football program. And so I didn't play again until the ninth grade.
Excuse me. So really my favorite sport when I was younger was basketball.
Really? Yeah. I'm sure you were great at that too.
I could shoot, but I slowed down fast. Yeah.
And then baseball was a big part of that too. And so then Dad got fired at Washington State.
We moved down to Southern California. And in the San Fernando Valley, I went to Granada Hills High School.
And the coach there, his name was Jack Neumeier, was kind of – the offense was wide open. He spread the field with five wides and threw the ball every down.
And so really, when you talk about when I first fell in love with football was my 10th grade year, when I started to, you know, playing quarterback, I played ninth grade year in Pullman, which was a single wing, handed the ball off. So it wasn't a whole lot of fun.
But then when I got down to California, we started throwing the football all over the place. And that's when, that's football.
Started slinging it. I read a very funny story that in your ninth grade year when you showed up for the first day of practice, your dad in the car said, what position are you going to play? And you said running back.
And he was like, you're not as fast as you used to be, which is an insane thing to say to a 13-year-old. Well, we were in an old Chevy Impala, and we pulled up, and that's exactly what he said what position you're going out for did I sit around it back and the car went into park and 15 minutes later when I got out of the car I was a quarterback but that was one of that was one of the comments was the fact to say listen you're slowing down a little bit I think I think I think you know you're probably better off trying to play some quarterback I think you're at a better position for you so that mean, it's just, I guess that speaks to your relationship with your dad.
The honesty was there that he could be like, you're not that fast anymore. Yeah.
How fast were you at 12? Yeah. I could, you know, when I was younger, I was faster than everybody, but then everybody caught up, right? Especially when you start growing, you know, they start catching up to you.
So, you know, and he had a good feel for it and I respected him so much. So sure enough, I went out for quarterback and, you know, that's one of those forks in the roads.
you know, they start catching up to you. So, you know, and he had a good feel for it, and I respected him so much.
So, sure enough, I went out for quarterback. And, you know, that's one of those forks in the roads.
You know, the thing is they get fired at Washington State, and he went for the head job because he graduated from Washington State, went to school there, went undergrad. And he was the runner-up for the job.
And thank God he didn't get that job. Otherwise, I'd probably been a baseball player because the high school ran the single wing, and so I'd never been exposed to what I got exposed to when we went down to Southern California in football.
Wow. Yeah, probably a good choice.
So when you're playing quarterback, obviously you had great wheels. You were still fast even at 13, 14, 15 years old.
I was as fast as I needed to be. Yeah.
But I feel like in that era, coaches were more hesitant to have their quarterbacks run around out there. Maybe it's different in high school where they said, okay, if you see a play, go make a play.
Did you ever have a coach, whether it be in high school or in college, that was like, hey, John, stop running the ball so much, you're going to get hurt? No, I think that they said be smart. Because that was part of my game.
I like to move around and try to make some plays if I had to. And, you know, protection broke down.
Then I like to get outside and do those type of things. But, you know, they always, you know, pressed on me that say, listen, get out there and do what you want to do, but just be safe and take care of yourself.
And so, you know, and back in those days, you know, you could go feet first. Right.
I never went feet first because I always felt more wide open to a hit, you know, a late hit cheap hit you know cheap shot that uh you know it knocked me out with me just being exposed like that so I always tried to go down and just use my head and my shoulders and was felt more protected plus going down feet first I've always figured you lost like three yards comparing to go going head first it's true I just go for their feet and yeah do it that way yeah I mean one of the most iconic plays in NFL history is the helicopter in the Super Bowl against the Packers. How many times did you – let me first say when you – that play is happening, were you like, this is going to – I'm going to get fucking crushed.
There was three Packers coming at you, and you were like, I'm just going head first. You know, there's a funny story about that play.
It was third and six, and we'd run that play all week in practice. And I told Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak, because the offensive coordinator, and I'm like, it was set up for a certain defense.
And I really didn't like the play in practice, but we kept running it, and I kept telling Mike, you know, I really don't like that play. And he finally came to me and said, John, against this formation, in this situation, it's 100% we're going to get this coverage.
I said, okay, great. and I think it was both corners had to be bumped safety over the middle I can't remember exactly how it was set up but sure enough I walked to the line of scrimmage and they're not in that defense so I know I've got nothing so I just really kind of dropped back and tried to find to see him get outside try to make a play and I looked for the first down marker and they kind of stayed back and I said all right, I'm going to turn this thing up and see how far I can get.
And then I said, all right, well, I think they think I'm going down low, so I put the big old six-inch vertical on them and went right over the top. Do you remember being in air, being like, whoa, this is crazy? I do, because I got discombobulated because I got spun around.
And the one thing I do remember is I looked to our sideline, and our whole sideline was going nuts. And so the adrenaline rush that came from that was – I still get chills.
Yeah, it was one of the coolest plays ever. Yeah.
A lot of people think it was for a touchdown. It's not.
It was just for a first down. We ended up scoring on that drive.
But obviously, with where that game ended up, it was a pivotal play. You should get residual checks, too, because I feel like the NFL used it in every highlight package for the next 20 years.
That would be nice if they had those. Unfortunately, they don't have those yet.
Yeah, it was a great game. I remember those two Super Bowls, and one of the key parts of your offensive line, a good friend of ours, Mark Schlereth, comes on the show a lot.
He was actually my Little League baseball coach. Oh, really? Yeah, because he was in D.C., then he went out to Colorado.
So you signed this, you know, a good free agent guard coming out from Washington, Super Bowl champion, comes out there. You're probably excited to have a great player on your offensive line, but was there a small party that was like, why does this guy just piss on himself all the time? This guy just smells so bad.
I was just really one to center. Yeah.
You know, because I'd had to put my hands underneath him. But yeah, I mean, that was you know, that's probably why he got why i got the name stink too because of the fact that uh you know he would do that but yeah it was always amazing to me that he would he would do that all the time weirdest segue ever but we're saying the word stink i've read that you also the only sport you ever quit was wrestling in eighth grade because you wrestled against a guy a kid who smelled really bad.
He really bad so how bad did he smell it was bad you know because my dad always said once you start something you're gonna finish it right so he'd never let me quit anything and he said you know and he tried to say you know i don't think you ought to do this but no dad i want to do it then i get in and realize you know he was right again and but i had to finish it and so and he didn't he wasn't a big fan of wrestling either and so but yeah i had to practice against him every day and you know it wasn't like we were in matches against him it's like i had to wrestle against him every single day so he finally loved me and he smelled really bad to where i was gagging i'm like dad i'm gagging i got i can't do this you gotta let me and you told your dad that you're like listen it's not that i like i'm not tough enough for it it's like this kid just smells so bad i can't i gag when i'm practicing so i can't do it anymore

he said all right this is the one time i'm gonna let you do it that's incredible you could have

gained 10 pounds been outside his weight class you don't have to wrestle we're the only two

biggest guys in the class so that's why i was stuck with him the other guys were a little

small guys and so we couldn't that's incredible so we're talking about your super bowls the

crazy part about your career uh is you know in sports media there's the whole can't win the big

Thank you. and so we couldn't do that.
That's incredible. So we're talking about your Super Bowls.
The crazy part about your career is, you know, in sports media, there's the whole can't win the big one. You go to three Super Bowls early in your career, and then it's eight-year gap until you win two to end your career.
Storybook ending. Like I think when everyone thinks about, like, what they want to do to end their career, it's John Elway.
That's what you think of, back-to-back Super Bowls. But in that progression, was there ever a moment where you're like, maybe I'm not going to win the big one? Yeah.
I mean, there was a lot of time in there. I think obviously we had really good teams in the 80s.
We weren't good enough. You know, you got to be really, really good to win a championship.
And I think I found that difference out when we finally won one in the late 90s compared to what we were in the 80s. But yeah, there was a time in those eight years where we were kind of changing coaches.
Dan Reeves left, and I think Wade Phillips came in and was there for a couple years, and then Mike Shanahan ended up coming back. But there was a dry spell there.
We were about 500. We were still making the playoffs, but didn't have a chance to really compete for a championship.
And then when Mike came back in 95, we turned things around. Terrell Davis, we draftedrell Davis that year and Mike was you know run based on run with you know with play action off that and then real good in the pass game so we had a good year in 95 and then 96 yeah we had a really good team we had the number one seed wrapped up we're playing Jacksonville Jacksonville was coming to Denver and um you know that we thought you know that was the year I'm going you know we got a chance to win this and then we end up getting beat uh by Jacksonville was coming to Denver, and we thought that was the year I'm going, we got a chance to win this.
And then we ended up getting beat by Jacksonville upset in the first round. And so I think that was the most devastating loss other than the Super Bowl losses.
And then at that point in time, you start wondering, well, what's it going to take? And I know at that point in time, I was 36 years old, and so I was running out of time. And so whether we're going to ever be able to get back, but fortunately that we came back and kind of used that the next year as incentive.
And we went through the hard way, right, because Kansas City won the division. We went in as a wild card, really.
So Jacksonville came in the next year. We're going to have a shot at them.
And then we had to go to Kansas City and Pittsburgh to get back. And then we're playing the Packers that, you know, we're defending champs.
We're 14-point underdogs, and we're going to that game. And I can remember getting on the plane.
We're leaving Pittsburgh, going back to Denver. And I get on the plane going back, and I call my mom.
I say, Mom, can you believe we get a chance to go back and be world champions again? And there's a long pause. And she finally says, do we really have to go back to the Super Bowl again? again yeah because it was not good memories the first three times so do you think the jaguars because i've watched uh some of the like nfl film stuff about those broncos teams and it feels like that jaguars loss was almost a reason why you guys were able to get over the hump the next two years because it was a game that you should have won you, you guys were way better, and maybe didn't take them as seriously as you should have, and that's like the last piece of a championship team.
Yeah, yeah, there's no question it added a lot. I think that it was stuck in everybody's craw for the next year, and so there's no question.
That, plus even going back into the next year, and then 98 when we come back after the Packer game, we knew we were a really good football team. And if we, and our attitude was always, if we just go play like we're capable of, we're going to beat everybody.
And that's, you know, and that's really fun to be on a team like that, especially if you have a running game like we had and played really good defense. And so that's what happened in 98.
We were really good in 98, you know, 13-0 until we got beat by the Giants in week 14, I think. And so on a late bomb to – I can't remember who it was.
But, you know, so then we go to Miami, get killed down there, bounce back, and then get to the playoffs. Yeah, it's a storybook ending.
So you mentioned the point spread. 14 points at the Super Bowl.
That's a big, big point spread. It really was.
It must have felt like you against the world. Did you guys use that as motivation, like Vegas doesn't believe in us? We did, but I also think because of the trek we made through the playoffs, having to go to Kansas City and having to go to Pittsburgh, two really tough places to play, I think really hardened us.
And we knew that, again, the Packers were really good, but if we go out and play like we're capable of, and Mike did a great job, Gary, with the game plan because it was a mismatch for us, our wideouts against their secondary. They were really good in the secondary.
And so, you know, Mike went in and said, hey, listen, we got to run the football against these guys to be able to win it. Leroy Butler was their strong safety at the time.
And he always wreaked havoc inside as a free safety. He kind of roamed and did a lot of different things and caused a lot of mischief in there.
And so we were able to kind of formation him out of that situation and allowed us to run the football. And Terrell had a great game.
The offensive line up front was tremendous. And this wore those guys down.
They actually put one extra D lineman down before the game. And so we get into the fourth quarter, and we knew we're in pretty good shape when the game was close.
Yeah, they had Big Gilbert Brown, right? Yeah. Who was like one and a half defensive lineman.
Yeah, exactly. He was playing like six on the line at that point.
Yeah. But I don't think he could take three steps forward in that fourth quarter.
He was so tired. Yeah, probably not.
Yeah, just wear him down. You were talking about the hostile environments, like going to Kansas City.
I just watched a clip. I didn't know that you used to be able to tell the referees to quiet the crowd noise down.
Yeah. Like when you were backed up in the end zone at Arrowhead, right? Yeah.
tell the refs, hey, they're being too loud. Then the refs would get on the PA and say, you guys need to shut up or else it's going to be a penalty against the Chiefs.
Yeah. When did that stop? That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good.
Yeah, I noticed the crowd got louder. Everybody would just get mad about it.
And then you got TV worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three-hour window, right? So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and as soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going, they get louder, right? So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got out of that. Yeah, big rule change.
I can't imagine that. It didn't work until they went back.
So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.
This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi Trophy to the Chiefs this year? You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny Lynch, who's a good buddy, is a GM with the Niners.
And then Kyle obviously was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with the Broncos. And so just the infinity for those guys.
And they'd been there before and lost one. And so it was really pulling for them.
It was such a tight game. But you look at Kansas City, Andy Reid and Patrick.
I think, you know, to me, Andy Reid is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick.
He's really taking advantage of what he does best. Yeah, it was a Raiders fan's worst nightmare.
It was in the Raiders stadium, and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with, and you were there. It was basically every bad thing that could ever happen to the Raiders.
It's just all in one spot. You just had to watch it all.
Yeah, exactly. I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are.
I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments drive in football history that so much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field.
Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny? You know, we're talking about the play just to be Stanford. It was actually people didn't realize it was my last college game.
Yeah. You know, and a lot of people didn't realize I even played in that game.
But, you know, it was, you know, it was obviously very at that that time very disappointing because we thought we were going to a bowl game. If we'd won that game, we'd have been 6-5 and had a chance to get to a bowl game.
We hadn't been to a bowl game. And it's not in today's world where there's so many different bowls.
You have a lot of different options. And so we were all excited making that comeback.
We picked up a 4th and 17, just the drive to get us back to where we kicked the fill to go to head i think you know and then there's eight seconds left on the on the clock and then chaos breaks out yeah but it was funny so i was i've got to play something quarterly in idaho and so we went out to lunch and we're at this place called one shot charlie's and i sit down and there's this older gentleman sitting next to me and he taps me he goes hey we start talking he says we have something in common i said we do he goes yeah he goes i was the umpire for the play and i looked at him i said so it's your fault you son of a bitch and so it was funny that that you know what is it 45 years later now and you know to see the umpire again was it was kind of fun but you know that was one of those plays that very disappointing at the time but like you said you know you see it every thanksgiving yeah and uh and so now yeah there's no question it's uh we've done a lot of different things on it too so it's yeah you look back on it and now you just say you know i'm kind of glad to be a part of it yeah it's like objectively kind of funny that this actually happened like it's such an insane thing to happen yeah that you can't even believe it even when you watch a replay knowing what's going to happen. You're like, wait, there's the tuba player.
What's going on here? The funny thing is, for a week, I was hoping that they were going to turn that thing over. Yeah, they probably were.
I mean, we held on for a week, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, they're going to come back, and they're going to figure out a way to turn this thing around.
But 45 years later, it has not been turned around. It is crazy that they just allowed the marching band to go onto the field.
Forget about turning it over a week later. That should be one second later.
I might be questioned all the time. I've asked, I said, what if the trombone player was on the 10-yard line and the guy that ran over him with the ball had gone down? Yeah.
Does he get his trombone player get the tackle? He gets the tackle. Now do they call that a touchdown? What is the rule there? That's a question I've never got answered yeah a saxophone player forces a fumble and then you guys get the ball return it maybe what happens then yeah there's no way to know in that moment that like you know you're on the sideline future john elway comes down talks to present john elway don't worry you're going to look back in this at this and he'll be an iconic moment in football history yeah you'll be fine i'm not sure i would have believed you at that point in time.
But then you had the drive. Like I said, being part of the play and the drive, I mean, how often, I think this is a stupid question, but I'm always very curious, guys who played in the league and had such incredible success, how often does your mind wander just back to that, to the drive? You know, a lot, because it comes on every anniversary's on there a lot so you know I still enjoy watching it you know and it's kind of funny that that was in my fourth year you know in my my first year my rookie year struggled a little bit and you know so I was up and down and you know things kept getting better as time but that was kind of my coming out party uh when we're able to do that in the situation we were in Cleveland and get it into overtime and then eventually win it in overtime and And so, but those are the type of things, like you said, memories, be able to look back.
And really, the older you get, the more you kind of appreciate it. Yeah.
And, you know, so because the memories are so great and, you know, proud to be part of it. Yeah.
The drive. Wasn't that 98 yards? 98 yards.
98 yards. 98 yards.
And it was, what, five minutes left? Five minutes to go, yeah. And so, you know, picked up a couple fourth downs.
And, you know, and the thing is, that game, we, you know, Cleveland was a really good football team. They were really good on defense.
We hadn't had a lot of success all day on offense, only scoring 13 points up to that point in time. So to go 98 against them and five minutes to go, you know, we started making some plays.
And the thing is about that drive, we just started trying to get some first downs, get some breathing room, right, take it one bit at a time and and then you could hear in the stadium was loud and then you could just hear the stadium getting quieter quieter quieter quieter and you can feel the momentum switch and so then we got it going and we're able to make those plays and then really win it in overtime which you know yeah people forget that we still had to go into overtime and win it it is an all-time moment listening to a crowd when a drive like that happens, and you can feel that they have the energy at the start, and then it slowly just goes away. Even on third down, you can hear them trying to bring it back to that energy, but you know you kind of have them.
Right, yeah. You know, and that's the thing is you almost enjoy stadiums getting quieter than you do at home when they get louder.
Yeah. You notice it more when you're on the road and it's getting quieter there's that's a good point there is that very sad third down cheer they're like we're trying after you've got like if you've gotten two fourth down conversions on the same drive then it's third down again then it's just like okay we're gonna we're gonna try yeah but you know that you've got them when they got that sad level yeah yeah volume in the stands it's hard to get that back we're gonna get back to john elway in a He's being brought to you by Catalyst Fitness.
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You were talking about some of the guys in that draft class. Did you have like an ongoing rivalry, whether it was something that you communicated to those other guys or just something that you kept track of in your head where you're always competing against the guys that were drafted in your same class? Yeah, I mean, I think there's no question there's always a competition with us, you know.
And I think especially when you look, you know, coming out and Jimmy went to the USFL to start with, Kelly. He was in Houston for a couple of years before he to Buffalo.
But Dan was down in Miami, and the big thing is he was the last player picked of those six quarterbacks that year. And then Danny came out his second year and threw for 5,000 yards, right? Went to the Super Bowl, and actually they played it at Stanford Stadium.
Yeah. And that year we got beaten the first round.
We had the home field that year too, my second year got beat in the first round there. So but I think after that point in time, it was really kind of chasing Danny because Danny was having so much success down in Miami.
And then Jim went, you know, when he came back and went up to Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun. I think they call it.
We're throwing it all over the place. We were a little bit with Dan.
We're a little bit more conservative and, you know, run, you know, run the ball and throw it when we needed to. But, you know, we were winning football games.
Yeah. You know, and you couldn't – can't argue when you're winning football games.
And then able to get to those three out of four years we got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them. But we were able to get there.
Yeah. So in that draft, obviously the famous you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts – the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you.
Was there ever a moment that you were nervous that like maybe I'm bluffing like because you you love you love football and if they just say hey we'll we're willing to burn a pick here were you willing to be like I'm done with football I'm going to play baseball well my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year doing my junior and senior senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees.
And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year. Then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.
Got it. Right.
So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year.
My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario.
But I want to play football. And so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft.
And I really thought I was going to the Raiders that night before. It was through Chicago.
And then I think Al Davis at the time was, I think, soon. It was in a lawsuit with the NFL.
And him and Pete Roselle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got a hold of Finks in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through.
And so then that trade fell through. And so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.
Yeah, when they said your name, did you know that they were already back-channeling, that you're not going to be? Or were you like, shit, they did take no we can't i knew it by then right it wasn't back then when we got we'd have we'd go we were done we rented a suite with all the guys that were going to get drafted and watch the draft and you know ken all got together and did it that way and so i was in constant contact contact with my agent all the time and so i knew once we got close to the draft that uh the colts were going to take me so yeah and you turned out to be correct because the Colts moved right now. They moved the next year, yeah.
So you were kind of vindicated in that. That's what I kept trying to say.
It's like nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore.
It really was nothing against Baltimore. But it was the franchise was kind of in trouble.
It was the franchise and where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted Schleister a couple years before.
And so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great – and having the leverage with baseball,

you know, and really my dad was one that led this whole charge.

He was smart enough to do it.

At 22, I was not the one that was going to lead that charge,

but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know,

to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that I thought I had a chance with.

And then years later, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver. You're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.
Yeah, yeah. Well, fortunately, yeah, they let him go.
So they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him. Yeah.
Was there ever any thought of playing both? No. No, I didn't.
I spent so much time at football, and I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the amount of time I spent at it.

I went to college roommates.

Both of them had really good major league careers.

So I think I could have had a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had when playing football.

Yeah, because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that you were going to be the starting right fielder by like 85. Right, yeah.
And that's pretty cool. That's really cool, yeah.
Yeah. But like I said, I really wanted to play football.
I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. Well, thank you for playing football because it just wouldn't have hit the same.
John Elway baseball player, like career 280 hitter, which would have been great but right like no john elway's a football player yeah right right so but yeah it worked out great and thank god they traded me to denver and denver denver was really never on the list of you know we were talking to different teams before the draft where i might go san diego was in it but because they had three first but they were really trying to get fouts signed fouts was a free agent at that time and so and they didn't have free agency but not under contract and so they kind of used that leverage to get Dan signed so that kind of ended San Diego's you know Seattle was a possibility New England um so yeah and Denver was kind of we asked Denver they said no yeah I'd interested early and then they came back late so it all worked out. It worked out.
Yeah. As an executive, we noticed that you had a type in quarterbacks.
What's the shortest a quarterback can be, in your opinion? Because you really do like him tall. Yeah.
Well, yeah, I went tall. Yeah, you liked him tall.
I went tall. We would see a tall guy who'd be like, that's John Elway's next quarterback.
Did you see Big Cat? He's like 6'3". And you're like, I can work with this.
There you go. Not bad, right? I know.
But, yeah, I think there's a limit that's too tall, too, right? Well, not really. You gave Brock Osweiler a contract.
That's just not true. Yeah, that's true.
You went to the tallest. And in 2015, when we won Super Bowl 50, Brock came in and played seven games for us and played really well.
That's true. So you were vindicated there.
Yeah. But I don't think, yeah, especially in today's game, you know, especially with the way they're protecting the quarterbacks and those type of things, I don't think you have to be nearly as tall as you used to have to be.
And, you know, I believe that, you know, as a quarterback, it's great if you have the ability to move around and extend plays and make plays. That's huge to be able to get out and run around the pocket.
But I still believe that, and I learned this, is that to win Super Bowls, you have to have a quarterback that can win it from the pocket. You've got to be able to have guys that can win it from the pocket because they're too good.
You look at the one Super Bowl that Kansas City lost to Tampa. Tampa put pressure on him with four guys, right? And they had seven back there and got him running early.
And then that's when Tampa was able to beat him. So I think that, you know, when you think about quarterbacks, I still believe you've got to win it from the pocket.
Yeah. Is it hard to evaluate the quarterback position because you were so good at playing the position? Do you think that comes into it all? No, you know, I think the hardest thing about figuring out who's going to make and who's not is what's here, right? And so, I mean, I think if you look at all these quarterbacks that always go high in the draft, you know, they're going to bad teams, number one.
And number two is they've never really had any criticism their whole life, right? Because they were good the whole time. They were good in high school.
They were good in college. And so they'd never faced the criticism.
And so, you know, to be able to figure out, and the right combination with an offensive quarter head coach is key. But to be able to get those kids in situations because they're going to go through tough times.
There is a lot of growing pains coming from college football. I don't care if you play at Alabama or anywhere.
You get to the NFL, it's a big jump. In college, you may play against one or two guys on the other side that'll play in the NFL.
Whereas once you get in the NFL, they're all good. But I think the key thing is trying to figure out how they're going to handle the negative criticism and the negativity that comes along with young quarterbacks, what they have to go through, because they've got those growing pains.
And so that's the thing that you can't read. And also trying to figure out getting them in the right offense that allows them to be successful.
And there's always such a rush to get those young guys in there because the fans want them in there and see how they're going to do. And so to be able to have a coach, a head coach, and or an offensive coordinator that can really protect that kid and really let him grow for the first couple years, two or three years to where he sees everything and he's ready to go yes situation is everything um i have so this is a part of the show we do where it's uh i i love to gamble i bring up a bad memory about gambling and ask our uh guest a question about it um did you actually watch paxton lynch's bowl game i did i, that makes no sense then.
I lost a lot of money on Memphis in that game, and that was all my scouting of Paxton Lynch. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, you missed some. Yeah, you know, we thought, you know, the thing is a lot of times when you go through that, if the coach likes him, right, and it's a good fit, Gary Kubiak was the head coach at that time, and, you know, he was athletic and could move around.

Again, you never know what's in here.

We thought he would be a really good fit in Gary's offense,

and then, you know, unfortunately, Gary retired after that year,

and so then trying to get that mix back,

and, you know, unfortunately, that was one of those picks that didn't work out.

Yeah, maybe, you know, I know you're not the GM anymore of Broncos.

You're still involved.

Maybe just having me come by for, like, a pre-draft meeting meeting and you can say a name and be like, nope, he actually, he played a terrible game against, you know, USC. Like don't do it.
Gamblers, no. Gamblers, no.
Listen, I'm not a smart person, but I just, I lost a lot of money on that game and I was like, this guy. Yeah, that can tilt you.
Yeah, right, right. right.
I just took it with me. If you lose a bet on somebody, you remember all the bad things they did.
You give a great downside. You'll never like him again either.
You hate everything about him. I'm done with this guy.
Probably a really nice guy. Really wish he had played better against Auburn in that bowl game.
Sorry. One guy we've got to get on the show is Mike Shanahan.
Mike Shanahan seems like a football guy through and through. You got to spend a lot of time with him.
We've kind of danced around this topic for years. We've had some players that have played for him that have told us about the parties that he used to throw at his house every year.
Yeah. And we heard that he has a tanning bed in his house, in his home.
Did you ever see his tanning bed? I never saw the tanning bed, but you know, we always had those parties when we broke camp. And camp.
And so it was always a real good party before we went into the year. But I never saw the tanning booth.
It was funny. He never wore a hat.
So I think all the color, I think, was natural. Yeah.
Okay. So we've heard how fun those parties were.
What was he like as a coach? Was he a players coach? He was. He was tough.
You know, and I think that that's what made him great. Number one, he was a very hard worker, like most head coaches.
But his knowledge of the offensive game was tremendous and where it was back then, the West Coast offense. Because when he left Denver, he went to San Francisco, learned the West Coast.
And then when he came back to Denver with Alex Gibbs, who was our offensive line coach, they put the zone running game in with the West Coast. And then the combination.
And then Mike just kind of grew it from there. And then I think if you look even now, what Kyle has done with the same base offense and what he's done and expanded with it that, you know, they continue to take it to new heights.
But Mike was, you know, he was, he was a player's coach, but he was tough. And the expectations, it was never enough.
He never let us exhale. It was always, we got to play better the next week.
And, but, you players loved him, and he's the guy that wanted to win football games. And so he was the best coach I ever played for because I had a great rapport with him also but loved what he did offensively.
But also the expectations that he had of us made us have the expectations of us too. And, therefore, that's, I think, why we were able to play at that level.
Yeah. The running game in the Shanahan offense, it's beautiful to watch.
It's beautiful. It's one thing where, you know, you can go three yards in a cloud of dust and to a certain extent, you know, that can win you some football games.
But when you watch the 49ers or the Broncos back in the day or now the Dolphins when they're running the football, you're like, this is a work of art. It really is.
And, you know, when the key thing is and what people don't realize is any time you run the ball that well, you have receivers that can block. And that's the key thing because those right receivers got to get down in there and dig out those strong safeties and those type things.
And so when I was there my last couple of years, Eddie McAfee and Rod Smith, they were great receivers but also tough guys to get in there and dig out those DBs. And so that's what makes that running game so good and uh the commitment by those wide receivers to block in the ring game yeah is there a guy that you that you played with um that you think could excel in today's nfl like a guy that would be an absolute game breaker i have i have one in mind but curious to hear from you that excelled in today's game i mean gary zimmerman and the left tackle i think could have played in any time you know he was just that physically talented you weren't a huge guy.
He was probably 285, 290, but wasn't huge, but just knew how to play the game. He was a guy that I trusted on the backside.
So that's one guy that would fit in. I mean, Terrell would still fit in.
And I was trying to think if there's any – defensively, our safeties, Dennis Smith and Atwater, they probably wouldn't fit in because they'd probably be suspended every other game because they'd blow guys up. But, yeah, I think we have several guys still playing.
I mean, Shannon Sharp was Shannon for sure. That was the one that I was thinking of, especially where the tight ends come.
And the ability that he had to run after the catch, how strong he was, how big he was. That's a dude.
I've seen him recently. He's a massive man.
He's still that big enough. He probably still could play.
He almost looks bigger now than he was when he played, but he keeps working. And the other thing is, Shannon was only probably 225 pounds, but he was so strong, especially in the zone game on outside zone.
He had to control that outside linebacker, and he was able to do that. So to have a tight end that can catch and run routes and catch the ball like he could, but also block, because you don't see a lot of that in the NFL today.
They're either a pass catcher or they're a blocker. And you don't have a combination of guys that can run, block, as well as have the great speed and stretch the field for you too.
Weird question, Tebow Mania. Was there ever a moment where you're like, maybe God is a Broncos fan? There was no doubt I thought he was.
Because once it kept on going, we're like, what is going on here? My gut was, you know, eventually God's got to take care of somebody else too. The way that, you know, my first year when he came in as a starter and was in there the last, I don't know, 13 games, I mean, there were some things that happened that were just, I mean, truly unbelievable.
We're playing Chicago on a Monday night. He runs out of bounds.
Mary Barber, yeah. Stays in bounds, the game's over.
Yep. Get him out of bounds.
And then all of a sudden Tim comes back and makes that big comeback. And so it was amazing.
It was, you know, I think we beat Kansas City and Kansas City with eight yards passing or something. Yeah.
It was crazy. And then obviously the Steelers, you know, playoff game and the slant.
Yeah, the slant in overtime, first playoff overtime. It's crazy.
It was crazy. But, you know, and he's a great kid.
I mean, he really is. He's everything that people think he is.
And, you know, just a tremendous, you know, competitor. Now, I think there's only one guy that could have got me out of Tebow Mania, and that was Peyton Manning.
So that was the only guy that I think that people would accept to say, okay, well, Peyton's probably a little bit better than Timmy, and so we can go ahead and go that direction. And so that's why it was even more important to get Peyton.
Was there any part of your conversations with Peyton where he showed that he was like, I don't really want to I'm worried about coming to Denver because this is John Elway's city because it is you're you're bigger than life there and you're you are kind of like when you think of Broncos it's John Elway yeah but I know I don't think Peyton had a problem with that you know I didn't I didn't think so I think that you know Peyton was you know he's obviously and I we all know how studious he is and the way he runs things that uh he was going to pick the pick the best place for him, right. That where he felt like, you know, he was going to be able to run his stuff and be the offense molded to what he wanted to do.
And also getting him a situation that was like, like Indianapolis that, you know, it was not a, you know, major market, but Denver's and Indy is about the same size. And so, you know, I thought it was just a good fit.
John Fox was the head coach. He liked John.
John was really good guy guy and a good recruiter, too. So, you know, and obviously it worked out very well for Peyton.
Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so.
That first Super Bowl was tough, too. Speaking of gamblers.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I had the Seahawks.
Excuse me, I had the Broncos in that one. Yeah.
And then it felt like after the first snap, it just wasn't going to go your way. Oh, yeah.
That momentum switched fast, like on the first play. And so.
I bet a lot on the Broncos yeah i had a super bowl party got hurt so he was out and then uh but you know seattle was pretty good and then yeah we just couldn't get things going yeah i kicked everyone out of my house in the third quarter because i lost so much money on you guys unfortunately i was out in the box i had to stay there i would have been at your house yeah get out of here. It's funny.
You talk about Tebow Mania.

I remember distinctly,

I forget which game it was,

but right after it was over,

the camera showed you and you were just shaking

your head like,

I don't know how this happened,

but I guess I'm just

going to roll with it.

We had a game down in Miami.

We had like 38 yards

the whole game.

We're down 14-0

with seven minutes

to go in a game.

We ended up getting

into overtime

and win the game.

That might have been it. I was just like, I don't know how this happened.
Yeah, I was leaning into it. No idea.
I am a little bit upset with you because I bought a Nerf Vortex football when I was like 11 years old, and I thought that I was going to be able to throw it like 100 yards because I think it said on it, like, John Elway threw this. How far did you throw the Vortex? Shoot, I thinkortex? Ah, shoot.
I think it's 120 yards. That sucker flew pretty good with the tail and the noise.
You hit the one with the noise. Oh, yeah.
You got the one with the noise. My parents hated it.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you take that to the beach.
Everybody around you hates that family. Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah.
But, no, that thing sailed pretty good. Yeah.
How far could you throw an actual football? I think the farthest I threw one in a game was, I think, probably 72 yards. I think I could get it 80 to 85 when I was at my height.
And I mean, you had the famous in college, the Elway cross. Yeah.
Because you broke your receiver's fingers so much that they then, you could see the cross on their jersey. Well, it was really when they didn't have pads on it.
And if they let it get to their chest, sometimes the cross on the end of the ball would get to the skin, and so I think it happened a couple times. Would you feel bad that you were just breaking your receivers? Yes, I did, especially, and I felt bad every time the ball didn't spiral, because I knew if the ball didn't spiral, it was going to be tough for them to catch it, and so it was like, you know, that's when things, when fingers usually got, you know, sprained or broken, when the ball didn't spiral so as long as the ball spiraled i felt a lot better about it yeah there but that is a rocket arm if you're like yeah my receivers just keep breaking their fingers because i throw it so goddamn hard yeah well i you know i always felt the quicker i get it to them then the quicker they can get their head outfield and and do something with it after the ball so yeah after the after the catch yeah well this has been awesome i have one last last question.
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It's not a question. I just want to read a quote that I read of yours that is maybe the most badass quote ever.
You said, I've always thought I was going to die with a shovel in case I woke up, I could dig my way out. Yeah.
I want to be buried with a shovel. I want to.
I've always said that. I want to be buried with a shovel because I don't want to give up either.
I don't know. And if I do wake up, I want to have a way to get out of there.
So I do. I mean, like, have you put this into your will? Like, are your kids going to? All my kids, everybody knows.
I said, make sure that shovel's in there. Okay, all right.
I'm not getting cremated at all.

Give you a fighting chance.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So awesome.

John Elway, hopefully you live for many, many more years.

But the day that comes, we're just going to have to wait a couple more days after that and be like,

anyone check on the plot?

Is there dirt? Is there any grass left over there? You should train. You should actually train for it.
You're right. I am now.
I'm going to make sure I'm in shape when I die. No, but it's a good idea to just get some shovel work in it.
I think we could all use that. Absolutely.
You never know. Absolutely.
You never know. You never know.
Success is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. That's right.
Right? So when I get the opportunity to die, I want to be prepared to take my way out. There you go.
I mean, it's great. That's right on.
You know, like you're just never out of a game. Never.
Never. Never.
The ultimate fourth quarter comeback. Yeah.
That would be quitting. I can't ever quit.
Yeah. Well, this has been awesome.
Like I said, it's such a thrill to have you on. We appreciate it so much.
How are you feeling about the golf game? Not bad, you know. You're a really good golfer.
I play a lot now, so I should be because I play a lot. But, you know, you get here and, you know, you're not used to playing in these situations, competitive golf like this.
You know, the good thing is it's a double bogey max, so that helps. But, you know, you always, no matter what, and for me, I still love competing as much much as i ever did and so to be able to come out here and do it on a golf course is you know it's tremendous and so try to go out there and i think you're jack nicholas and say you know okay you're a john that way you're gonna miss some shots so don't don't worry about that try to make up for him so try to make some birdies and see what happens is there one guy in the field that you're very much looking forward to beating like if we're doing a head-to-head match and I know you're not going to be necessarily paired with this guy, but is there one guy that you want to make sure that you beat? You know what I always say? I want to be in the top ten, and then I'd like to finish first of the oldest guys, right? So Jack Wagner's a little bit older, and he's been here every year.
So try to stay ahead of those guys. But, you know, it's fun because I'm looking forward to Friday I get to play with uh Josh Allen who I played with last year and Trevor Lawrence yeah so I get to play with those two and get caught up with those two so I'm looking forward to it you know and there's so many great guys out here great celebrities it's fun to you know guys that we see on TV and the young guys that are playing now I get a chance to meet them so it's a thrill for us old guys to be here how did you not get Josh Allen I feel feel like he is exactly your type i know he is and believe me last year i played with him and he says yeah and john pat i was going i'm wondering how long is it going to take him to realize that i passed on him and took radley and chub instead yeah and it took me it took him two and a half holes to bring it up because and i loved him right yeah it just uh you know didn't your time that's the world right yeah you're right that was probably my biggest mistake of my gm days was not taking josh you didn't watch paxton lynch's bowl game that too yeah too and i didn't get a chance to talk to you yeah exactly you should talk to me all right well thanks so much john we appreciate it you gotta do a lot Elway was brought to you by Sport Clips.
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Okay. All right.
All right. Ready? It should have been dartboard.
Okay. Ready? You ready? I was a mistake.
Are you ready? I'm ready. All right.
Henry, one, one pick of afterschool snacks. I had to buy Pepsi.
I had to go something I'm passionate about, something I love more than anything. The greatest combination in the world, peanut butter, chocolate.
I'm going to go with nutty bars good one love them love them yeah on them you know you know that you'll get my vote on that it's a solid pick yeah you know you'll get my vote i want to take it one one but it's a good pick like i said there's there's not a clear one one in my mind yeah there there actually is not because everyone's everyone's after school snacks are basically based off of their parents or their friends parents yeah and the one house that had everything yeah yeah that's that's out that that was the best house that's where i'm going my one one yeah okay i'm worried that this is going to be a fat shaming thing okay because my after school snack was just a lasagna it was just like a fourth meal so i'm gonna i'm gonna go nuggets okay yeah any specific chicken nuggets okay because i had dino nuggets dino nuggets i wanted but i thought maybe that was a little too niche no dino nuggets is good i don't know this rock yeah no that's yo i i had nuggets on my list you're good no this is my one one and this is based off of the friend's house who had everything that had the stock pantry uh pizza rolls pizza rolls remember when blake bortles and uh jerry goff almost burned down that house at the super bowl yeah i make pizza rolls yes that was awesome yes. Good pick.
I had it on my list as well. Oof.
This is tough. This is tough.
Okay. I will go with Doritos.
All right. Cool Ranch Doritos are my favorite.
Do you want me to specify? I can. I don't care if you guys want.
I think you can just sayitos doritos i mean doritos are the best uh oh doritos are the best they really are the best and they're best yeah after school this is tough because i i want to i want to you know what i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm just gonna double up on it pringles you're going double chips i'm going double chips because i this is i'm a chips guy need the crunch doritos and pringles lock up the chips aisle okay which no you don't have to specify pringles is fine but which pringles sour cream and onion original bbq that's my top three no pizza i wasn't a big pizza i the pizza combos and pringles are like too artificial flavoring to me which i know that sounds ridiculous because everything that we're listing is like the worst thing you can put in your body but uh yeah i just i i never got into the pizza i like the pizza okay all right uh next up i'm gonna go string cheese string. Just toss it across the room.
You don't even have to. You can go into your house for five seconds.
Toss the string cheese, throw the backpack down, go back outside. Okay.
Wait, this is me? Yeah. That's you? This was my other pick.
Again, bigger than normal snacks. I'm going to go bagel bites.
Okay, yeah. I am a bagel bite guy over pizza roll so am i that was my second in my big board it was nuggets one bagel bites too yeah bagel bites are great bagel bites are great i love bagel bites i'll eat them as an adult i'm actually pretty shocked this got back to me it's my turn right yeah uh goldfish yeah i feel like though the only the

only down i love goldfish you could take i'm not saying i'm not saying anything bad about goldfish

i do fart more when i eat goldfish because i'm i'm convinced that the air trapped inside the

goldfish goes in your belly and you swallow it yeah uh so goldfish i thought about too

but in my book that's more of a like lunchtime snack that's like all kind of that's like added

in no they're all the same yeah that is a side dish yeah i think all these things would show up

and that's more of a like lunchtime snack that's all kind of that's like added in no they're all the same yeah that is a side dish yeah i think all these things would show up in a bag that's true string cheese maybe not bagel yeah but after school you're just like this is you go to the you go to the pantry you're like what am i gonna eat right goldfish are always there yeah because the pantry there whatever you're putting in your lunch is also what are your goldfish flavors Straight up Straight up. Straight up? Oh, flavor blast.
You've got to blast the flavor. I do like the pretzel goldfish, too.
A little change of pace. I like the flavor blast, but you can just give me plain goldfish, and I could eat the entire family-sized box in one sitting.
Maybe two. Okay.
Hmm. I will go with Famous Amos Cookies.
Oh, good pick. Yeah.
Good pick. The little bag? The big bag.
My parents. That was like the BJ's.
I had the big boxes at BJ's. But with little bags.
No? Yeah, they come in little bags. The little yellow bag? Am I thinking of the mustard? Yeah, that's Famous Amos.
Yeah, yeah. Those are bags.
They're a little yellow bag? Am I thinking of the mustard? Like mustard yellow? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are great.
They were like good-sized bags. Yeah, but the cookies are small, right? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good pick.
Like that pick a lot. God damn it.
Being a kid was the best. Because I have like half of these I have in my house right now, and it's a problem.
I think we have most of them just in the lobby. Yeah, it's a big.
We definitely have Goldfish. We've got Famous Amos.
Doritos. Yeah, we've got them all.
String Cheese. Max.
Is it me? Yeah. Is it? Wait, is it? Yeah.
I'm going to go Uncrustables. Good pick.
Good pick. I love Uncrustables.
You're just going all meals. Yes.
Okay. I mean, after school, that was my...
I needed a fourth meal after school. Uncrustables.
Why did you just think about what snack would you have after your fourth meal? Or would you just go straight? No, but that was like the snack. They're like the smaller meals.
Yeah. That's what I would have after school.
I'm being true to myself. Yeah.
And Uncrustable is a great choice. It's a perfect snack.
Did you not have a pantry? I did, but they didn't. It just wasn't really in my repertoire.
Okay. All right.
For my next one, I'm going to go with celery and peanut butter, especially for kids. If you want to act like you're feeding them something good, it's celery.
It's a vegetable. Yeah.
And then we're going to cover it in peanut butter. You go ants on a log or no? Ants on a log are good, but to tell you the truth, I don't have the patience for it.
Yeah. Once I get the celery dipped into the peanut butter, I'm eating this.
Yeah. Okay.
Question before I make my final two picks drinks yes or no yes snacks are we saying drinks or no i think they could be okay because i don't want to because okay yeah yeah okay no hank you know i'm fine drink a snack yeah i'm fine with not opening that door i was just asking it for the group because i can go totally different place or i could go a drink i don't care but i want to just ask because i had a specific type of drink that is like somewhat snack adjacent right adjacent all right so let's go no drinks that's fine okay what would your drink have been capri sun oh good pick yeah i would have taken slurpee also the dictionary definition of snack is a small amount of food in between meals right. I would have done Capri Sun.
I also had Yoohoo on the list. I had Sunny D on the list.
We could do after school drinks. We could do that another time.
Yeah. All right.
So, all right. I'm happy.
That was very, that was nice how we did that. That was good.
Okay. Let's see.
Fruit snacks. Easy.
Do you want me to specify? specify I can you would like me to specify okay this is where I'm going to age myself fuck are you about to say the shark one yeah they're still around shark bites are still around I get gummy sharks in my frozen yogurt the fucking great white shark is the best fruit snack ever it is good shark shark bites can you put maybe put parentheses fruit snacks because people might not know what shark bites are that's fair all right um and then uh this i'm not talking about homemade i'm talking about store just rip it open the rice krispie treat love that it good to pick. Old reliable.
Good pick. I also have that in my house.
I'm bummed I can't take Slurpee. Yeah, no, I want to take Capri Sun.
With a Slurpee, that's when you're driving home from school. Yeah.
Those couple years. You swing by the 7-Eleven on the way back.
So I'm going to pivot, and I'm going to go to Easy Mac.

Easy Mac, Mac and cheese.

Great pick.

Thank you.

That's in my repertoire.

Thank you.

Easy Mac was elite.

Max's last pick is steak.

Meatballs.

You have a great draft, Max.

I have.

There's just no.

I mean, I could just keep going because I have another one that I would like to do. Do it.
Lunchables. Okay.
Yeah. It's great.
It's great. It's literally lunch, though.
But it's a snack. But it is.
It's not a lunch. It's not a full meal for a big growing boy.
It can't be a snack. Which lunchable? Which lunchable? I think that's a snack.
I mean, I would eat it after school. Yeah, that's a snack.
I would eat that after school. But which Lunchable? I wish I knew 12-year-old Max just fucking pounding all these things.
No, but that's insane that we're allowing Lunchables. It's literally lunch.
I get it, but I mean, I would eat it after school. Yeah, I would eat it.
That's fine. Yeah, these are things that I would eat after school.
Yeah, all right. You can make another one.
I crushed Lunchables after school. Yeah, Lunchables are great.
Crushed them. Crushed them.
There was only a couple good ones. Like, the pizza ones were trash.
Pizza ones were trash. I like the cheese and crackers.
Yeah, the cheese and crackers. Cracker with pepperoni.
I don't know why. That should stand.
If you want to take cheese and cracker, Lunchables. No you can keep it.
I just think that it's insane. Lunchables come with dessert and a drink.
So it's like it is more than a snack. There were ones that didn't come with all that.
But lunchables, in Max's defense, lunchables for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch. You can't eat a lunchable for lunch.
I never once had a lunchable for lunch. Never.
Not once. Because you'd just be like, what is it? That's all I get? Correct.
That's like a warm-up snack. You eat the Lunchable, and then you go to the Bagel Bites.
Yeah. I'm sticking.
Lunchable, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in parentheses. But you should just get cheese and crackers.
Lunchables come with a drink. But the Lunchable ones are the...
No. My qualm is not with the fact that there's so many things in a Lunchable.
It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny.
It's ridiculous. But we're going to let Max do it.
But Lunchables, if it weren't for the name, it is the quintessential snack. The name is what's stopping it.

It's literally the size is a snack.

You eat it after school.

Wait.

It's like you have a snack.

Can a snack have a dessert?

Do all Lunchables have dessert?

Yeah, I think they do.

Yeah, I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.

No, but I mean, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack.

After you're done with your snack, you can have your dessert.

What was the dessert in them? Andy bar there do there would be right here we can't see it max we can't see it oh shit it was the andy's bar the mint like they there were ones that didn't have yeah i i used to not have ones with dessert it would be like the meat and cheese and crackers that was yes that's it that's that that was it those are the ones i used to have also i didn't know they got desserts put just the cheese just the meat cheese and cracker yeah this is what this is the one i'm talking about pft that's basically that's a snack but i think that's leaving out a part of the tray no it's not yeah because there's right there was usually look at it i think there was both there was some that didn There was some no dessert Lunchables? Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember having...
Look at this one. Ham and cheddar.
There's no dessert in that one. Crackers, cheese, ham.
Okay. All right.
It is like... I mean, it's just not even close to a meal.
It's 260 calories. Yeah.
Again, this might be us being biased. But that's also like the same amount of calories as a bag of Doritos.
Oh, yeah, definitely. Okay.
So you're sticking with it. I'm sticking with it.
Memes? No, I'll even put the just meat, cheese, and cracker in the parentheses. I think Max should be allowed to pick it.
I just think it's very funny that he took lunch as a snack. Yeah, yes.
I'm looking right now. Lunchables have gotten fancy.
Yeah, too fancy.

They are crazy right now.

Run the football. Holy shit.

They're mini hot dog Lunchables?

What the

fuck? Damn.

They've got ones with Reese's in them.

Alright, Hank.

Last pick? Yep.

Dunkaroos. Good one.

I had it on my list. Can't argue with it.
Can't argue with it. We missed a bunch.
Gushers. Gushers, yeah.
Cosmic Brownies. Cosmic Brownies is on my list.
Zebra Cakes. Little Debbie.
Yeah. Fruit Roll-Ups.
Fruit by the Foot. I was a Fruit by the Foot guy.
Were you guys a Fruit by the Foot or Fruit Roll-Up? I was a fruit roll-ups fan. Fruit roll-up.
I liked fruit by the foot. I liked to spin it out and just eat it, not use my hands.
I was a yogurt. Like a Trix yogurt was like a yogurt.
Go-gurt. Go-gurt.
That was what I was going to go if I didn't go. Trix yogurt was also really good.
Trix yogurt was so good. Yeah.
Gushers. We say Gushers.
The peanut butter chewy granola bar. That's like a candy bar.
Yep. But you can pretend that it's healthy.
Just cheese, those packets that were the neon orange cheese crackers with the peanut butter inside. Yes.
You know those? Yeah. Wait, are you talking about? Yes.
I like the same one, regular cracker peanut butter inside, but I know what you're talking about with the neon orange.

Yeah.

And they also had those with cheese.

Yep.

Yep.

Hot Pockets.

Yep.

I have a whole line of meals.

Oh, fuck.

Hot Pockets.

Hot Pockets.

Dude, I used to crush Hot Pockets.

I completely forgot about Hot Pockets.

I loved Hot Pockets.

God damn it, they were good.

Just a grilled cheese sandwich.

Taquito.

Taquitos I would do. Taquitos are good too, yeah.
Peanut butter pretzels. Chocolate Teddy Grahams.
I used to do chocolate Teddy Grahams. This is now not after, well I guess this is after school because it was college when I was high.
Tortilla, heated up, peanut butter, chocolate Teddy Grahams in it. Whoa.
Actually, I think you've said that before. Yeah, it's a high high i think i might have put it in chef donnie's recipe book um shows how i my palate i used to do the the microwave nachos that like if you just had shredded cheese chips and then just nuke them i still do that we do it for dinner in my house once a week completely solid it burns onto.
Oh, yeah. It's good.
And then you bite it and it's all chewy. You're like, this is still good.
Yeah. It's good stuff.
I was the apples and peanut butter guy. Yep.
Apples and peanut butter are very good. Sun chips.
Always like sun chips. You guys like sun chips? Yeah, they're okay.
Yeah. They also were like in that.
I like the garden salsa ones. I like the blue ones and it was always, sun chips were in that range where you could pretend it was healthy just because it looked different.
It didn't look like Doritos kind of in your face, like, you're going to fucking eat this. Yeah.
Sun chips, like, oh, it says sun in it. Yeah.
The Ruffles sour cream and cheddar. Love those chips.
Those are good chips, yeah. My chip guy through and through.
Did I say grilled cheese? Yeah, you said grilled cheese. Yeah, just whipping up grilled cheese real fast.
Oh, I had one other drink that maybe PFT, you and I might be the only ones. Did you guys ever have the juice barrels? Yeah, juice barrels.
That's like a soccer halftime snack. They were little kegs of just juice.
Yeah, we had those. And it was like not, there was no flavors.
It was just red or blue. Great.
Barrel drinks. Great.
You could drink one of those in about a quarter of a second. Great.
Those were great. Yeah, you who we said.
Anything else? What did we miss, Hubie? We got them all? Feels pretty good, yeah. I feel like we nailed a lot of these.
Hot Pockets was a miss. Big miss.
I loved Hot Pockets. What flavor? You like the ham and cheese? You like the cheesesteak? Cheesesteak and then the pepperoni.
Yeah, pepperoni was good. I was ham and cheese and the meatball.
The meatball and mozzarella. Gotta get the meatball in there.
Yeah. Have to get the meatball.
Gotta find a way to get the meatballs in there. I should have done that.
Max, you're lucky that we didn't start with this Mount Rushmore last summer when you first started because your name would definitely have been Meatball. Yeah.
Meatball Maxie. Meatball.
Meatball Maxie. All right.
Anything else, Hank? That was the best. Getting out of school and just being able to go to town on all the snacks.
it's hard like I struggle with I want to be that house, but also I don't want a ton of random kids in my house. So I think I'm not going to.
Also, it's valuable to teach your kids to scavenge. Yeah, but the one house that had the best snacks was always the one pick of everyone whose house we're going to go to.
I want to be in that middle zone where, yeah, my like yeah my kids come over with their friends but like every day i think i i think that'd be a lot and i want to sneak into the like yeah like you can go get a snack but then later on you'll be like let's go yeah let's go if you can build it they will come that's pretty much it if you just build like a convenience store in your house all the kids will come over and that's a very slippery slope until like all the kids coming over all the time and then next thing you know they're in high school and then your basement is the party basement yeah yeah and also i don't want all the kids eating my snacks yeah they are my snacks i'm the one who buys them yep they're not my kids those were like a lot of these were like the ideal snacks like i i would would rarely have them in my own house but every time right somewhere else's it would be like right this is what i wanted as a kid this is what i wish my parents were yes yes yeah that's as simple as like it gets as a kid it's like do like do they allow toy guns can you watch tv and snacks that's what i want my parents to be what video game system yeah right yeah uh okay good mount rush more boys okay That is our show. Takeies on Wednesday.
We can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're going to do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.
So everyone be cool between now and Wednesday because we will be awarding the AWL award to some podcast listeners.

So much like right before Christmas,

when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff

to get presents and toys, just be cool this week.

Compliments are fine.

Everyone give memes a compliment this week.

Give everyone a compliment.

Yeah.

Say something nice about all of us.

But, yeah, so if we have double numbers, you're not hallucinating.

There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here.
So numbers. Eight.
77. Three.
20. 99.
Actually, can I change mine? Yes. 56.
Yes. I was going to say.
Yeah, 56. Would you rather have 20? No, I'll take 56.
21.

This officially counts even if we did other numbers.

Everyone agrees, yes?

Yes.

Okay. It counts.

71.

Love you guys I'm not your girl, change your clothes Yeah, you, be a mess, like a bitch, I know And you, I think, I must be, quickly But you know, that you're no good for me Cause you're hot, then you're cold You're yes, then you're no You're in, then you're out You up, then you're down. You're wrong when it's right.
It's black and it's white. We fight, we break up.
We kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no.
But you don't really want to go out. You're hot, then you're cold.
You're yes, then you'll know. You're in, then you're out.
You're up, then you're down. You're hot, then you're cold.
You're yes, then you'll know. You're in, then you're out.
You're up, then you're down. You're hot, then you're in and you're out, you're up and you're down.
It's hard when you call you, yes, then you know. You're in and you're out, you're up and you're down.
It's hard when you call you, yes, then you know. You're in and you're out, you're up and you're down.
We used to be just like twins, so and sing. The same energy, now's a dead battery.
Used to laugh about the thing, now you're playing boring. I should know that you're not gonna change.
Your heart and your code, your yes and your no. Your in and your out, your up and your down.
You're wrong when it's white, it's back and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up.
You're ready for the most We'll be right back. Someone call the doctor Got a case of love my whole heart Stuck on a rollercoaster Can't get off You change your mind Like a girl Change your clothes It's your heart when you call You're yes but you're no You're in and you're out You're up and you're down You're going when it's right It's like it is right We fight, we break up We kiss, we make up Heart when you call Yes, ma you're out.
You're up and you're down. You're going when it's right.
It's like it is right. We fight, we break up.
We kiss, we make up. You're hot when you're cold.
Yes, then you know you're in. You're out.
You're up and you're down. You're going when it's right.
It's like it is right. We fight, we break up.
We kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no.
You't really want to cut out Your heart and your cold

Your yes then you'll know

Your in then you're out

Your up then you're down