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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take, we have an an awesome, awesome recap of the U.S. Open with Smiley Kaufman, who was there.
He was part of the NBC coverage.

Speaker 1 He was 10 feet behind Bryson and Rory as both of those guys came down the stretch for the U.S. Open, which was incredible.
We're going to talk about everything that came out of that.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about game four

Speaker 1 that happened on Friday night. Hank is back.
We're going to talk about game four for the Stanley Cup final. We got some great who's back.
We got a Monday reading and an extra bonus.

Speaker 1 We have Mike Florio on because we missed talking about football and it was great to talk some ball with Mike Florio before we go into the low period, the phase me period, which you'll find out what that is,

Speaker 1 of teams breaking for minicamp for the summer.

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Today is Monday, June June 17th.

Speaker 1 And holy shit, boys, that was one hell of a U.S. Open.
Sunday afternoon, Father's Day, Bryson DeChambeau wins the U.S. Open.
Rory McElroy chokes the U.S. Open.
But more than anything, I love sports.

Speaker 1 It was great.

Speaker 3 It was an iconic back nine. And then to see how it unfolded with Rory looking over his shoulder at Bryson the entire time, Bryson mugging for the camera.

Speaker 3 And also Bryson going back to when he played injured on Saturday.

Speaker 3 He had the hip. He said he was playing at about 80% this weekend.
But you had like drone cameras through the treetops, seeing Bryson getting his leg worked on.

Speaker 3 It was a very, very good weekend to golf.

Speaker 1 It was like the perfect. Pinehurst was incredible because it was a great test.
We talked about it being borderline.

Speaker 1 There were moments where it was borderline, maybe over the line, guys hitting shots within like 10 feet of the hole and then having it roll all the way way back down.

Speaker 1 But more than anything, it was just what you want in a major Sunday. And it was a guy, Bryson, who going into Sunday, it was like, he's definitely going to win.
He's got a three-shot lead.

Speaker 1 No one can figure out this golf course. And then you have the flip where there was that moment where Bryson went to

Speaker 1 six under, Rory went to eight under. You're like, holy shit, this is going to happen.
And then they get back together, tied at six under,

Speaker 1 and going down the stretch. And Rory

Speaker 1 missing two putts within five feet or four feet.

Speaker 3 I think they were, yeah. The first one was about two and a half, I think.
Yeah. Second one was like three and a half.

Speaker 1 It listen, I know there was a lot said about afterwards because Rory skipped media. He, uh, here's, here's one dramatic reading from a reporter on site.
This is from Steve Reed AP.

Speaker 1 He said, Rory McElroy threw his clubs in the back of a tournament-sponsored Lexus.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Backed out of the parking lot and spun his tires a little getting out of the parking lot. Yeah.
He did not talk. Spun his tires a little.
Would that not be how a car goes?

Speaker 3 That's how a car moves.

Speaker 3 Six minutes after DeShambeau makes winning putt, Rory spins tires on way out of town. And if you saw the video, it was worse than that description.
They also squeaked a little bit. Oh.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and then the camera, whoever was filming it, did a nice little touch because as the car drives away, going probably 10 miles an hour, the camera guy goes, Whoa,

Speaker 3 like he almost got hit by it. Yeah, and it was scenes of Scotty Scheffler before the PGA championship.
I thought that maybe there's some bystanders that might have been in trouble there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then we had people watching Rory and his progress to his private jet, and then flight tracker systems tracking Rory's private jet and seeing that he was in the air, I believe, before Bryson's acceptance speech.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so he was a poor sport.

Speaker 1 He was a poor sport. We also had this is another,

Speaker 1 we had video of it, and Jay Busby said, Rory McElroy leaving the clubhouse. He got into his car and drove off.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, the tires spun.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Usually when you get in your car, you drive off.
Yeah, poor sport.

Speaker 1 If you note,

Speaker 1 the majority of the poor sport claims are coming from the media itself, who Rory didn't talk to. I propose, so I have no problem with this.
I understand.

Speaker 1 I would like to hear from him. We will hear from him at some point.
I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 The way Rory lost that tournament and the putts that he missed and the 10 years that it's been since he won a major.

Speaker 1 And Bryson, who we'll get to, having like an about face where he's the people's champ out there on the course, which, if you said that four years ago, you'd be like, no fucking way.

Speaker 3 I would be like, the people suck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. The people have been lead poisoned.
Yes.

Speaker 1 All of that. And you put it into a bottle and you say, Rory, we want you to stick around and drink this bottle while reporters say what was going through your head on 18.

Speaker 1 That is actually worse than any torture that you could ever come up with like ever I so as much as you want to claim poor sport I think that every athlete should get one a year where they can just say I'm I'm not doing this and and this you you and if you if you don't use it you lose it so you don't get carryover but you get one a year where you can just be like nope no moss I can't do it because I would if I were Rory and I had to sit there and have Bryson come up to me and be like

Speaker 1 that was an incredible fight you put up.

Speaker 3 You know, oh, you played so great.

Speaker 1 I wish two of us could have won this, and then go sit and have some reporter say, Rory, talk me through what happened with that putt that you missed.

Speaker 1 I'd kill myself. Yeah, well, can you? I would, I would.

Speaker 1 You can't do that. You got to get in your Lexus, your, your, your, your tournament-sponsored Lexus, and spin those tires and get the fuck out of Dodge.

Speaker 3 Can you imagine if on this show? Because we are members of the media. Yeah.

Speaker 3 On this show, if, if one of us was like a real, real big winner, and then we made the person who was a big loser sit while the big winner talked about how big of a winner they were.

Speaker 3 And we did that for like 30 minutes and then asked the loser to give us comment on that. Right.

Speaker 3 How terrible we would never do something like that because we care too much for the people that we work with. But for some reason, golf media wants that to happen.
And it could never be us.

Speaker 1 And the loser then just doesn't show up for the next show. Yeah, no, that would be...

Speaker 3 We're not going to get into that territory.

Speaker 3 That's not how we operate.

Speaker 1 Right, that's not how we operate.

Speaker 3 We operate with a little bit more class. And it's also very funny that it goes back to like the Marshawn Lynch Super Bowl days or Cam Newton when he skipped the press conference afterwards.

Speaker 3 The media gets so mad, so mad,

Speaker 3 and then they have all their articles about how this person didn't give them anything to write about. Right.
And he actually, Rory gave everybody so much more stuff to write about. Right.

Speaker 3 So much more stuff to talk about by not answering questions than he did if he had stuck around and just given like deadpan answers of credit to Bryson. He played really, really well.

Speaker 3 Of course, I'm disappointed, very upset that I missed those puts. You know, one of those things, golf's a hard game.
That's what Rory would have said. I just did his press conference right there.

Speaker 3 Golf is a hard game. It's tough to get this close.
Credit to Bryson. He played really, really well.
I'm very happy for him and happy for golf. That's what he would have said.
Okay.

Speaker 3 That's the press conference. But the fact that Rory sped away like Rashi Rice in the parking lot and could have murdered people on his way out,

Speaker 3 that gives the reporters way more stuff to talk about and way more of a storyline.

Speaker 1 And more than anything, it gives them a soapbox and a a moral high ground to be like, you didn't let us do our job. But you're right.

Speaker 1 The story is that Rory, and it's, again, it's a ridiculous story because I really do think that there should just be a one,

Speaker 1 maybe there's someone who has to judge it and you like, it's almost going to the booth in Toronto or, you know, the NFL when they do a replay.

Speaker 1 We just have someone who's watching every sporting event. And they just get to judge, like, all right, that was actually such a painful loss.
They shouldn't have to talk. Because

Speaker 1 you can't have a more painful loss than what he had.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what are we missing out on by not hearing Rory talk?

Speaker 3 I want to know, Rick Riley is probably mad at Rory because how is he going to make puns about Rory after the game or after the match when he didn't hear him talk afterwards?

Speaker 3 I tell you what, Rick Riley, I will give you your lead.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Rory, hey, Rory can't find the hole from within four feet twice. Boy, I feel sorry for his ex-ex-wife.

Speaker 1 Ex-X-wife. Yeah, there you go, Rick.
Two negatives make a positive. You got a tweet about the collapse.
Oh, what do you say? Yeah. Poor Rory.

Speaker 7 Golf is the cruelest game. It will pants you in front of the whole schoolyard, then steal your lunch money.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 sounds a little personal, Rick.

Speaker 3 Wait, so Rick's talking about

Speaker 1 like a game of golf being

Speaker 3 like 15-year-old Rory McElroy's penis is what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Wait, but that's actually not right because a pantsing

Speaker 1 with full balls flopping out is so funny. This wasn't funny.
This was tragic. Like,

Speaker 1 if you pants Rory and his dick and balls flopped out for everyone to see, that's one of the funniest moments of all time. Like, if you really pants someone and you get the boxers too,

Speaker 1 that's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 You can't tell me differently.

Speaker 3 Wait, Jake, you've been pants.

Speaker 1 Balls flopping out. No balls.
We were playing pickup ball, me and my friends at home. Uh-huh.
It just happened when we were in transition. Yeah.
Damn.

Speaker 3 Oh, you were in transition?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 there's no penis there? No balls.

Speaker 7 No, we were in transition on the basketball.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, got it, got it, got it, got it, it, got it, got it. Yeah, no, so PFT, you're exactly right that when the story now, for all the reporters being like, you didn't let us do our job.

Speaker 1 We don't have a story to write about. Now you're going to write about this story, how you didn't get to talk to Rory.
And on top of that, Rory is going to talk to someone, probably do like,

Speaker 1 you know, a profile or just, you know, one of these insider guys is going to reach out to him in three days, and there's going to be a long story about how disappointed he is.

Speaker 1 And we're going to get even more content out of it. Like four days from now, we're going to get a Rory story that we can talk about.

Speaker 3 He'll be like, I'm sorry that I left this early. Yeah, right.
I was in a very emotional state, and then he'll do like that whole thing. Or he could just answer a reporter's text message like Brooks.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Actually, should we text Brooks

Speaker 3 to see

Speaker 3 what his reaction about Rory

Speaker 1 early was. All right, I'm going to text him.
I'll say, Woody, we're doing the show right now.

Speaker 1 We're looking for comment on what Rory would have thought. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Hank, give us your thoughts while I text this because you're the big golfer. And also, congratulations on your Bryson wins.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Bryson has been riding him every major this year. Two top fives, one today.
Felt like he was going to lose all day. Once he went down to,

Speaker 8 he couldn't hit up drive straight. I was kind of worried about him just switching driver.
Like they said, he never swung this driver before until the first T-shot, which was a little alarming.

Speaker 1 Stay woke on that.

Speaker 3 We've got a theory with Smiley.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I actually like this theory a lot.

Speaker 8 That will be... His next YouTube video is going to be such a banger.
Yes. Whatever it is, it's just going to be like

Speaker 3 he won the U.S. Open for the content.

Speaker 8 But it was, I mean, he was hitting it out of the shit every single hole. Still making birdies.
Unbelievable win.

Speaker 8 And, I mean, Rory is fun to root against. He's kind of, like, I have never necessarily been a huge Rory fan.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 And in sports, it's always fun. Maybe I'm just a hater, but

Speaker 8 I always, as much as I like rooting for the people I like to root for, I love rooting against people too. Like LeBron.
Rory is not as bad, but like it's, it's, it's kind of fun to watch someone choke.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and this was an ultimate live versus PGA showdown. Yeah.
And your live boys came up big.

Speaker 1 You are a live head.

Speaker 3 Wait, I thought we were told that when a live guy won a major, we would get all the other live guys on the green waiting for him.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 Brooks did tweet right away. Oh, yeah.
Congratulations. They rallied.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's actually a great tweet. He said, Welcome to the club two-time U.S.
Open champ.

Speaker 3 That's very nice of him.

Speaker 3 Go ahead. I was going to say,

Speaker 3 I saw Dustin Johnson wearing the Four Aces polo. Oh, no.
He was playing earlier this week, so that reminded me to ask Hank who the Four Aces are.

Speaker 8 Four Aces are Dustin Johnson, Patrick Reed, Pat Perez.

Speaker 1 It's a guy who

Speaker 1 his dad owns something.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 7 No, I think they had a trade.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at now.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's not a guy who's

Speaker 8 in Matthew something?

Speaker 7 No, you're thinking Matthew Wolf.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, Hank.

Speaker 3 Is he good?

Speaker 7 Pat Perez, Patrick Reed. When I say the name, you'll be like, yeah, I know him.

Speaker 8 Is it Patrick? No.

Speaker 10 I don't know. Harold Warner III.

Speaker 1 Oh. Ah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bryson. So

Speaker 1 he has done the full J.J. Watt rehabilitation where he was.

Speaker 1 The crowd was going crazy for him. And he is.
We're going to get into it more with Smiley on why he's been able to turn. Bryson has changed who he is.

Speaker 1 Like, the revisionist history, I know there's a few hardcore Bryson fans and they should take the victory lap right now, but it's not like, oh, we were all wrong about Bryson.

Speaker 1 I think Bryson realized that he was really annoying and he's adapted and done a really good job about it. Like he, it was fun watching him play golf.

Speaker 1 We had this take for the Masters, so this isn't just because he won. We said that we were kind of slowly becoming Bryson fans.
Thankfully, Brooks, they've squashed the beef, but he is fun to watch.

Speaker 3 I think it's because he has a fan base now. Yeah.
And when he's happy, when he has people behind him, he becomes more likable.

Speaker 3 It's when he doesn't have a built-in fan base that he's trying so very hard to be the cool guy and to be the guy that's like, you know, breaking all the rules, doing all the weird shit.

Speaker 3 That's the part of Bryson that makes you be like, this guy's really, really strange. But when he's actually having fun, Bryson seems like a good dude.
And I'll give him credit.

Speaker 3 I watch his YouTube videos a lot. I've seen a lot of them.
He's pretty good. They're pretty entertaining.
Yeah. They're engaging.
He was like interacting with the fans a bunch this weekend.

Speaker 3 And when he's not fighting with the fans, when they're on his side, he's a very interesting guy to observe. And I kind of like him.
I think he's good for golf.

Speaker 1 His game is fun. He smashes the ball.
He makes crazy shots.

Speaker 3 He screams at his ball.

Speaker 1 He screams at the ball. He was, he was, yeah, he was interacting with the crowd unlike any other

Speaker 1 competing, contending player that I can ever remember. And it is, it's, it's, it's interesting and it's fun and it's unique.
And he has completely changed.

Speaker 1 And And I found myself, I did bet on him because I got in Hank's hole. No big deal.
He would never do that for me.

Speaker 1 I found myself rooting for him because he's interesting. And I think it's the classic story arc that we, you know, the guy gets torn down and then he builds himself back up and you root for it.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like you were just saying, Hank, that you root against Rory.

Speaker 1 I found myself rooting against Rory. I think I'll root for Rory the next time because this was so tragic.

Speaker 3 Even after he threw his clubs in the company of the tour-sponsored vehicle.

Speaker 1 And spun off and spun off and spun the wheels i i think like this yeah that's how sports work like you take the shit and then you when you when you then have to climb back on top of the mountain the story becomes it's just a deeper more interesting story bryson is an interesting story now that has like chapters and layers to it yeah there's some weird things that are still being you know ironed out where he's like hey i went to smu because of payne stewart and they're like but i also found out payton stewart went there after i had already shown up up.

Speaker 1 Whatever. Bryson is trying his best, and I think he's actually enjoying playing golf and enjoying interacting with the fans.

Speaker 1 And I found myself being thoroughly entertained, and that's what sports are about.

Speaker 3 He had a couple of awesome shots on 18. The one where the tree was in his backswing, and everybody watching that was like, he's going to hit the tree.

Speaker 3 It was like when Hank and you were behind it. By the way, one of my favorite parts of that video.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 3 In the video that we put out, the John Daly challenge, Hank was about to watch it. Hank was about to take a shot.
Most of the comments were, how can Hank be so bad at golf when he plays so much? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, people complaining about Snickers ice cream bars. And those people,

Speaker 1 I love you for watching, but holy fuck, you need to get your head checked. No, but that was the biggest issue of your life.

Speaker 3 But I love the fact that they care so far. Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 it keeps honest, honestly. Yeah, it does.
But also, I just imagined someone typing out, like, this whole thing is bullshit. It was Snickers ice cream bars.
Ice cream bars, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then, like, stomping off to bed. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I actually love that video. I respect it.
I respect it. But yeah, so on this one sequence in the John Daly challenge video, Hank has a tree in his backswing.

Speaker 3 Big Cat, as a good teammate, I'm not going to say whether or not Hank would do the same thing for Big Cat, but Big Cat sees that, gets out, fights the tree off,

Speaker 3 beat the shit out of the tree. Hank has a beautiful backswing, no tree in the area.
Big Cat steps up, takes his shot from the same area. Hank does not repay the favor.
The tree assaults Big Cat.

Speaker 3 It was like Angel Reese against Caitlin Clark. Big Cat gets bodied by this tree, tree, and then Big Cat screams at Hank for not fighting off the tree, which is a fair complaint.

Speaker 3 And then Big Cat's like, I can't believe I just, I would kill any tree for my guys. Then me and Big Cat drive off in our golf cart, and Big Cat immediately drives me into a tree.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I spun off a little bit.

Speaker 1 He went right into a tree. It was awesome.
Yeah. But yeah.
But I would fight any tree for anyone. I didn't see that tree.
You also were kind of leaning a little out.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you were man spreaded.

Speaker 1 I was man-spreaded.

Speaker 3 So Bryson has a lot of Snickers. Bryson has the ice cream bar.
Bryson's got the tree in his backswing. Nobody thinks he can get the ball out because it's like buried.

Speaker 3 And Bryson was in the native area the entire weekend. It was crazy.
He was just like, fuck it, I'll hit into the bush.

Speaker 3 So he gets out, gets to the bunker, and then hits one of the greatest bunker shots that you'll ever see under the circumstances, and then drains the putt.

Speaker 3 The ending of that tournament was what golf should be about. Because not only do you have Bryson doing all this cool shit, but you've also got the multicam.

Speaker 3 You've got the picture in picture of Rory watching on what I have to assume is a tiny TV in the very sad back room where they signed their golf and you can see him he's rooting so hard against Bryson but he can't outwardly be like come on miss it because he's a golfer and you have to be a good sport so you get to see the putt you get to see the heartbreak all in one it was just awesome TV the whole thing was incredible we also had did you see that we had a

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 who's who's better to the fans contest going down the stretch

Speaker 1 there was a guy who was in a wheelchair and it was like Rory gave him a ball and then Bryson came and signed his hat, and all the media were like, Rory, incredible move, giving him a ball, and then quote treating him like, well, actually, Bryson signed his hat, and it was just, they were competing in everything.

Speaker 8 I wonder, I was curious if he asked Bryson to sign his hat or if Bryson was just like

Speaker 8 wheelchair signed.

Speaker 1 Bryson was signed. See you later.
Like, credit to Bryson.

Speaker 1 By all accounts, he was awesome to the fans. Stayed late, took all these pictures.

Speaker 8 He actually was walking around with the trophies that he wanted all the fans to touch the trophy.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 1 You You could say it's cheesy and that he's trying to get goodwill. I don't care.
He's giving people a moment that they'll remember forever. And that's all that matters.
Type

Speaker 8 trophy.

Speaker 1 It was an awesome, awesome weekend. And then we also had Patrick Cantley, who I gotta find.
Is there any fan out there?

Speaker 3 No, everybody was really. It was like, I will tolerate either Rory or Bryson winning.
I'll enjoy either one of those two. Patrick, just get the fuck out.

Speaker 8 Xander Shauffley.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Xander's a good friend of his. His wiggle on putz makes me want to punch a hole in my TV.
He just stands there and wiggles 100 times.

Speaker 8 And this is, I have resting anger face, so I don't, you know. Oh, he's got bitch face, yeah.
He's got resting anger face. Like, I see him, and I'm like, that's what people think when they see me.

Speaker 8 Like, he just always looks miserable.

Speaker 1 And he's also kind of got like a dumpy, dumpy ass. He does.
Yeah. His body's like kind of dumpy.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 He could definitely tighten it up.

Speaker 3 He looks like a really cheap pair.

Speaker 1 Not to get personal. Yeah.
But he's dumpy. He's humpty-dumpty.
Yeah. But yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 And shout out the course. It was incredible.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Borderline, sometimes over the line.

Speaker 3 It was borderline, borderline. And Rory hit that one shot on the back nine that it was an awesome shot and then just rolled probably like 40 yards off the green.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And it was like, okay, the course isn't fucking around right now. I like to see that.
The course baked out a little bit. I've got a stat from Rory

Speaker 3 and his putting specifically.

Speaker 3 This season, he was 496 for 496, putting inside three feet this season before he missed that one putt.

Speaker 3 And then he missed the other one, which I would assume he's probably a similar statistic from like three and a half, four and a half feet.

Speaker 1 I would have made it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I would have made it because in a situation like that,

Speaker 1 what you have to do is both.

Speaker 3 I would have made the first one.

Speaker 8 Second one looked hard.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, but you don't miss the second one unless you miss the first one. Yeah.
Because then the first one's in your head, but I would have concentrated.

Speaker 1 I also would have just asked if it's good.

Speaker 1 Maybe they would say yes. That's gimme range.
Yeah, yeah, that's it right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a great tournament, great fun. Bryson, I think we're trying to get him on the show.
I mean, it is crazy.

Speaker 1 I found myself rooting for him, yeah. But

Speaker 1 he's done all the right things where he...

Speaker 8 If he has lingering beef with you guys, I would respect it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I would too.

Speaker 3 That would honestly make me like him more.

Speaker 1 But Brooks squashed the beef. We squashed the beef when Brooks squashed the beef.
And then it took us a while to come around to actually liking him, which happened a few months ago.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're...

Speaker 1 Are you team... Are you trying to?

Speaker 1 We're a team. Of course.

Speaker 1 You just said if he had beef with you guys, I'd respect it.

Speaker 1 Well, hold on a second. We're.

Speaker 3 What do you mean by you guys?

Speaker 1 You guys.

Speaker 1 We are.

Speaker 1 If you wound the cape.

Speaker 8 No, I'm saying, but like there was the shows when all that stuff was happening. I don't think I was speaking on them.

Speaker 1 At all.

Speaker 1 So you were. So you're saying right now that you've always been a Bryson over a Brooks guy? No.
He could have beef with me.

Speaker 8 It's us. It's us.
But I'm saying, like,

Speaker 1 I was not.

Speaker 11 You guys.

Speaker 8 No, like, I wasn't.

Speaker 8 You guys are the two co-hosts. I wasn't speaking on those shows.
No, we're three co-hosts.

Speaker 1 I wasn't speaking. If you're, if, listen.

Speaker 8 I wasn't speaking on those shows. Like, I'm sure he listened to those podcasts back in the day.
It was probably like, damn, these guys are fucking roasting me. Fuck them.

Speaker 8 I don't think I was involved in those roastings, even though I felt the same way.

Speaker 3 Well, we never do a show where you didn't talk, Hank. So you're just basically

Speaker 3 slide out the back door.

Speaker 1 it wasn't me. No, no,

Speaker 3 I'm with it. Do you stand behind everything we've said about Bryson as a podcast? Yes.

Speaker 1 You stand behind everything we've said as a podcast. Yes.
Okay. We'll find some things that you're not going to be.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I'm legitimately excited to watch Bryson. That was fun.

Speaker 1 He's turned it. He's turned it.
He's done the impossible. The USA chance rocked.

Speaker 1 And then you had a couple of the loser golf media people and like the one guy, one of the guys who took the live money, and you're chanting USA.

Speaker 3 Well, to be fair to Bryson, he did apologize for 9-11.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 Maybe that's actually Bryson's been on a real hot streak since he apologized for 9-11. Yeah.
Maybe that's all it took.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was his, he took all the ownership.

Speaker 3 That was an all-time hilarious clip. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry. And

Speaker 1 one last big loser we should just mention is: remember when Zach Johnson didn't put Bryson on the Ryder Cup team? Yep.

Speaker 8 Yep. That was fun.
I just watched full swing in the last two weeks, and that shit's infuriating. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 8 Infuriating. Crazy.

Speaker 1 Okay. Should we talk a little basketball?

Speaker 3 I'm bummed out that we only have

Speaker 3 one more major this year. I know.
It feels like we should have two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't like that the PGA changed and jumped ahead.

Speaker 3 I don't like it either.

Speaker 1 It was always nice that they gave us one at the end.

Speaker 7 Also, a finish like this, I think, needs to put some...

Speaker 7 pressure and momentum on the merger happening because the fact that we get to see these guys clash in drama like this only happening four times a year Oh, there's so unfortunate.

Speaker 1 There is.

Speaker 3 What is it? There's an outline now.

Speaker 1 They have an outline.

Speaker 3 So before, like a year ago, almost to the date, a year ago, they had the framework.

Speaker 1 And now,

Speaker 3 as per like a week ago, not only do they have the framework, but they've got an outline.

Speaker 1 What's next? Well, I think they said they're going to... Rough draft.
Yeah, rough draft.

Speaker 8 They're waiting until Tuesday to announce details because they don't want to take away from the tournament. So we'll see.

Speaker 1 Okay. We'll see how we're going to do that.

Speaker 1 I loved getting an outline done in school and just being like, yeah, I got an outline.

Speaker 3 It's basically done. I think next is actually a verbal agreement on the outline.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Then you move to rough time.

Speaker 7 But seriously, the fact that we get to see guys like this compete four times a year, like,

Speaker 1 we need that year-round. Well, I mean, you get to see it all the time if you have the CW network.

Speaker 3 No, but Rory versus Bryson, got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you can always be like, all right, well, Bryson shot.

Speaker 8 Bryson versus Harold Varner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
All this shit. And it's team format.

Speaker 3 What team is Bryson on?

Speaker 8 Bryson's on the Crushers.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Is that what's...
That's a great name. Wait,

Speaker 1 what is Brooks' team? Smash. Smash.

Speaker 3 Got it. Totally different team.
Different name.

Speaker 1 Crushers and the Smash.

Speaker 3 So who else is on Bryson's team, Hank?

Speaker 8 Bryson.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 8 No, I am no. Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was a guy.

Speaker 1 I thought that was a guy.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I don't know anyone else on the guy.

Speaker 3 This was such a bittersweet weekend for Greg Norman, too. Oh, yeah.
Because Greg is probably happy with the whole live thing. He still considered himself very much part of that.

Speaker 1 And then... Well, he's getting booted, though.

Speaker 3 But maybe not. We don't know yet.
He's still out with Outline. He's still swimming around.
Yeah, the Outline has.

Speaker 1 Outline might not address Greg Norman.

Speaker 3 It might just be written by Greg Norman. Yeah.
But Greg Norman, probably partially happy because the Liv won. But also, Greg Norman started a trend because Rory melted down.
Right.

Speaker 3 And they're like, this is exactly like when Greg Norman didn't win that match.

Speaker 1 It gets brought up. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are we talking some basketball? Some hoop? We're running out of time. Oh, we are? Let's talk some hoop.
How much time do we have?

Speaker 8 We don't have as much tape left.

Speaker 1 So we haven't been together since we didn't, last time we recorded was Thursday night. Self-score up 3-0.
The first 30 minutes were

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 for the Hank heads out there.

Speaker 8 Wave reviews from that episode. Yeah.

Speaker 1 From your parents? We were very upset.

Speaker 1 I didn't really understand. I'll defend you for a second, Hank.
I didn't understand some of the criticism because you were literally at Tom Brady's retirement and he mentioned you.

Speaker 1 Imagine if we didn't talk about that on the show. Yeah.
It'd be insane.

Speaker 1 That would be insane.

Speaker 3 It was a Hank Lazing.

Speaker 1 It was a Hank Lazing, which you deserved. It was your birthday, everything.

Speaker 1 Then Friday happened, and the Celtics are still up 3-1. I still think they're going to win this series probably tonight.
But holy fuck, did they get smoked?

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Bad. 35 points in the first half was

Speaker 1 shocking. Shocking.
Were they down 50 at one point?

Speaker 8 It got close.

Speaker 1 They might have been down 50 at one point.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 it was like 90 to 10. Yeah, I think it was like 90 to 40 or something.
I don't know if it was 50 exactly, but it was.

Speaker 8 That was a real scoreboard at one point.

Speaker 8 They missed a bunch of layups. They missed every single shot.

Speaker 8 They gave themselves a cushion, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Like, that game's not going to matter when it's all said and done.

Speaker 3 Unless they keep winning.

Speaker 8 Right, but that's not going to happen either.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what are your nerves? So I saw Dave tweeted this. He said, I'm 0% nervous about the Celtics, but if they lose on Monday night, I will be very nervous.

Speaker 1 So the question then, so if you went by that, how nervous are you that they will lose tomorrow night?

Speaker 8 I think they're going to win tonight.

Speaker 8 But they built a 3-0 cushion. Even if they lose game five, obviously then it will be real nerves,

Speaker 8 losing some sleep, thinking about it a lot.

Speaker 8 But I still think they would win game six. And even if they lose game six, they have a home game.
They have two home games to win a championship.

Speaker 3 It sounds like you might be, you're nervous about being nervous. Right.
Like, you're not nervous yet.

Speaker 1 You're pretty nervous.

Speaker 8 I'm not nervous yet. If they lose Monday night, then I would.

Speaker 8 I'd be nervous. But you thought about it.

Speaker 1 I'd be a little nervous.

Speaker 8 I'm 0% nervous. If they lose Monday night, I would not be like Dave said he would be all the way nervous.
I would get pretty nervous.

Speaker 1 Okay, but not even up 3-2. It's like.
But here's my question: then: How nervous are you that they're going to lose tomorrow night? Or tonight? 0%.

Speaker 1 0% chance the Mavs are going to win.

Speaker 8 15%.

Speaker 1 Okay, so then you're 15% nervous. Oh, you're 15%

Speaker 1 to the way to being pretty nervous.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Because then they lose game, if they lose game five, then what percent nervous are you?

Speaker 1 50?

Speaker 8 40?

Speaker 1 I don't think you should be nervous.

Speaker 9 I'm not.

Speaker 1 But you are. You're 15% nervous.

Speaker 8 Well, every game, you get nervous for every single game. You can't take these things lightly.
You got to go out there and execute.

Speaker 1 So it's like you can't. No, don't bring Humble Hank back.

Speaker 8 Well, no, but you got to be.

Speaker 1 You got to.

Speaker 1 He did get respect.

Speaker 8 It was your opponent.

Speaker 3 It was a whomping. They got absolutely destroyed.

Speaker 1 They were never down 50. They were down 40 plus.

Speaker 3 And the fact that it was that bad would make me a little bit nervous.

Speaker 1 I'm looking for real hoop heads out there.

Speaker 1 They were playing. I actually said it in the moment.
It was kind of cool that a bunch of guys that were never going to play in the NBA Finals got a decent amount of minutes.

Speaker 1 And you can be like, yeah, I scored a bucket in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 8 Be great Joel and Beat stats.

Speaker 1 Who are some of those guys out there? You had the one guy who looked like Jalen Brown. O'Shea Brissette.

Speaker 1 At number 12?

Speaker 1 I don't know. He looked like Jalen Brown.
You had a. Yeah, he's number 12.
Yeah, number 12. He kind of moves like Jalen Brown.
He's like a.

Speaker 1 he's basically like a body double. Then you had a.
Did you have a small Charlie Villenuva out there? Yep. Like, what was going on from Arkansas? Yeah, it was crazy.
Oh, I remember.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he was good on the girl. He was

Speaker 1 our first-round pick. I liked him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the Mavs had, yeah, just, it was crazy.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, I was at a bar where they were playing, you know, they did the music in between during commercials and then game sound when the game was on.

Speaker 8 Third quarter, they just stopped playing the game sound. Like, it was just all music.
It was, it was over.

Speaker 8 I bet I was like 18 and a half, you know, Pritchard and the bench are going to fight back and make this thing respectable, and it just went the complete opposite.

Speaker 3 The fact that it was that bad, do you think that there's any part of anybody on the Celtics roster that was like, I really want to close this out at home?

Speaker 8 No, but I think when it's that bad, it's easy to just forget about it. Yeah, no,

Speaker 8 it's easier to just completely forget about and move on that if it was, you know, a close loss that maybe they were winning and should have won, but then they blew it.

Speaker 8 And that would creep in more, I think, than just getting your doors blown off.

Speaker 1 Because it was a combo. The Celtics played bad.
The Mavs played great. They were hitting everything.

Speaker 8 And they were playing defense.

Speaker 1 Right. They were playing defense, and all their role players were hitting shots.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 you're 15% nervous about tonight. What about Christophs? Because that would be the only thing that would make you nervous because

Speaker 1 they kind of were saying that he could play. I feel like if he plays, it's going to be Kevin Durant in the finals kind of thing.
Like he's just going to get hurt.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I kind of read the game four questionable, and I feel like he's probably not going to play game five.

Speaker 8 That seemed like a situation where they were going to just, he's questionable to play, and they were going to put him in like if they were up and they were going to win a championship.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 3 to like get him on the court? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't think he's going to distribute anything meaningful if he does get on the court.

Speaker 8 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Everything I've read, it seems like if he gets on a court and tries to run up and down, he's just going to get hurt again.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and Tillman was saying in practice, like he is not 100%, which is probably not the smartest thing for a player to say about his own teammate, but he was like, he looks rough.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you this. Now, he was also questionable before game three, and then they ruled him out, right?

Speaker 3 So if the games had been flip-flopped, if game three was a massive blowout, and then game four was like game three, would you be nervous?

Speaker 8 More nervous.

Speaker 3 More nervous than than it is because right now it feels like gentlemen's sweep yeah yeah I mean 3-0 when you have a 3-0 cushion though

Speaker 1 I mean there's no way there's just no way they have two home games worst case worst case scenario worst case scenario they have I agree with you no way but it's here's how time works

Speaker 1 here's how time works it's not a 3-0 lead you have a 3-1 lead yeah and it could be 3-2 in 24 hours yeah and then it would forget about 3-0 it was almost never 3-0 yeah then then you just start the series at 3-2

Speaker 8 I don't know what their record is when you combine the playoffs, but they've lost 12 games.

Speaker 8 If they go

Speaker 8 1-4, that would be insane. 0-4.

Speaker 1 Are you upset at all?

Speaker 1 They got bounced out of the 80 wins, 20-loss club.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 3 What do you think about Joelle Embiid finally being in attendance for a Celtics loss there in the finals? He did great.

Speaker 8 He was fantastic on the analyst desk. I wish Max was here.

Speaker 8 He was really, really good. It was good to see him out there.
Had some really, really funny points and interesting analysis.

Speaker 8 And he was tampering.

Speaker 1 And the good news is he has time.

Speaker 1 Like, this is something he could do every finals. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I'm happy for him.

Speaker 1 I have something positive for you, Hank.

Speaker 1 I know they have nothing to do with each other, but...

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 8 June 17th is like a

Speaker 8 historical date for the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. I thought that's what you were going to say.
Do you want to go? Go ahead. No, no, no.
No, no, go ahead. No, no, no.

Speaker 3 No, I want to know. You said historical.

Speaker 8 I had to look.

Speaker 1 I forget what it is. Okay.
All right. You look it up, and I'll tell you what I think.

Speaker 8 Well, and 617 is Boston area code.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what I was going to say is they have nothing to do with

Speaker 1 did they win on other 617 days?

Speaker 8 I think so. I think that's when they beat the Lakers.

Speaker 1 They played the Lakers a few times in history.

Speaker 8 Beat them. Okay, I'll look it up.

Speaker 1 I'll look it up. That's like the most common NBA finals matchup.

Speaker 3 When Hank told me his reason was 617 is the Boston area code, my first thought was like, you fucking piece of shit. Like, that's the most mass hole thing ever happened.

Speaker 1 That's going to happen.

Speaker 3 But then I was like, no, that

Speaker 3 I can actually, I can see a guy with his shirt off with a big 617 tattoo across his chest, maybe on his neck, maybe fresh out of jail for robbing a bank. He's like, the fucking Celtics, dude.

Speaker 3 It's good. 617.

Speaker 8 617, kid.

Speaker 8 What is it? I'm over 781 guy. But Sean Grand, this was from him.
617 was the date the Celtics won their last championship in 2008.

Speaker 1 Lake.

Speaker 8 Three of the icons we've lost in the year since: Bill Russell, number six.

Speaker 8 John Havilichek, 17. Sam Jones, 24.
Game five, we played in

Speaker 8 on 617-24.

Speaker 1 What was Bill Walton's left out?

Speaker 1 What was Bill Walton's number for the Celtics?

Speaker 1 Was he eight?

Speaker 8 I think.

Speaker 8 Bill Walton. Which is poor thing.

Speaker 1 Celtics.

Speaker 3 Okay. I'm trying to do the numerology.

Speaker 1 He was number five. Game five.
Game five, five.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit, Hank. Let's go.
It's over. Zero percent chance.
What I was going to say was, Hank,

Speaker 1 another positive thing for you. They have nothing to do with each other, but in my dumb brain, they have everything to do with each other.

Speaker 1 The fact that the Panthers then lost eight to one in the exact same setup made me feel like both teams are just going to like, listen, I'm not a gambling expert, but a Panthers, Celtics, moneyline parlay,

Speaker 1 game five, feels like it could potentially happen.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's not a bad idea. It does think of like the league needing more games.

Speaker 1 But even those games were such blowouts that you can't blame refs, and it was more like these teams are up 3-0, and they know they can go home, and they know they're better.

Speaker 1 And the minute the game, like the Mavs jumped on the Celtics, the Oilers jumped on the Panthers. 10 minutes in, and you're like, I don't really want want it.
Let's just go home.

Speaker 1 Let's go home and win this at home. I know that's not how it works, but

Speaker 1 that's how it works.

Speaker 3 At some point, it does work like that.

Speaker 3 In the third quarter, you told me that Joe Missoula was like, no, let's try to win this game.

Speaker 3 He was like, fuck it, let's just take it home.

Speaker 1 Panthers, the same way.

Speaker 1 I also have the greatest gambling system ever.

Speaker 1 I saw, I turned on the game, Shania Twain was doing a free concert outside, and I bet the Oilers because I said, anytime Shania Twain does a free concert, bet the home team.

Speaker 1 It's 1-0 lifetime. Okay.

Speaker 3 Anything special about Shania? I love her. Yeah, she's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's the best.

Speaker 3 She is really good. Don't impress me much.
Any man of mine.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Didn't she forget how to sing because she got dumped?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think she did. I think that it took her voice away.
Heartbreak took her voice away.

Speaker 1 I feel like a woman.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Shania is Shania.

Speaker 3 Can I confess something? Because I feel like I need to be transparent when talking to our listeners about any sport that we've watched on TV?

Speaker 3 I watched about

Speaker 3 maybe 15 seconds of the game on Friday, not because I wanted to skip it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 And I did watch a bunch of highlights. Very good of you.

Speaker 1 Hand up.

Speaker 3 I had planned on being home to watch the game. Very important.
Game five, or excuse me, game four.

Speaker 3 I got my car back from the shop. And guess what? She starts.

Speaker 1 So I felt like

Speaker 3 I felt like, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 I was running some errands, but the lights work. Yeah, lights work now.

Speaker 3 The turn turn signal just goes it works but the lever just shifts back and forth so I always have one signal on you can never tell which one it's going to be but so I was trying to get home for the game I

Speaker 3 take my car on some errands so I've got to go to Home Depot get some stuff whatever I try to start it leaving Home Depot and it didn't start again

Speaker 3 so then my car was busted and now I'm like what the fuck do I do and then I fixed it myself I I went I got gas at a gas station I can and I brought it back it was out of gas nice So I feel like I am becoming a car guy.

Speaker 3 But in that time where I had to bike to the gas station, buy the gas tank, bike back, fill the car up, then drive to a real gas station to get the tank all the way filled.

Speaker 3 By the time I got back, it was past halftime, and I just couldn't watch the full game. So hand up.
I will admit that. But I did see the highlights, and

Speaker 3 I looked at the box score heavily.

Speaker 1 It wasn't.

Speaker 1 You didn't miss anything. It was that much of a blowout.
And it was

Speaker 1 like you could just tell.

Speaker 8 It was a summer league game for the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, it was.

Speaker 1 I have never seen that where it wasn't even. It was at the end of the third quarter.
Yeah. They were pulling everyone.

Speaker 1 And who do we have MVP right now?

Speaker 8 Probably Jalen Brown.

Speaker 1 Yeah?

Speaker 3 Okay. I did see that Luca has.

Speaker 8 It's still, though, it's still if

Speaker 8 Tatum goes off-off, he could still win it.

Speaker 3 I'll say that Luca does have the highest plus-minus of any player in the series. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, he's been really good. And then, I mean, game three, he was bad and he got bad fouls, but he's scoring.
I mean, every first half, he's like almost 20 points. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he played defense on Friday. He did.
He moved his feet. Yeah.
I think Wendy woke a

Speaker 8 monster. He had a couple hands ups.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wendy woke a monster in that respect.

Speaker 1 You also should not feel nervous because Kyrie has to play in front of the Boston crowd, and he has not done well doing that.

Speaker 1 Do we we want to do who's back of the week? Yeah. Or anything else?

Speaker 3 There might be one other thing we should do. Oh.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 3 What? Maybe a special guest?

Speaker 1 Oh, you're talking about Max? We're going to do it after. We're going to do Max.
We have more stuff to talk about. And then he'll do his best.

Speaker 3 More stuff for him to listen to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, I was going to bring up the fact that

Speaker 1 I'm not going to do this for Who's Back of the Week, but Who's Back of the Week could have been the Baltimore Orioles because the Philadelphia Phillies finally played a real team and the Orioles kicked the shit out of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that, yeah, Max is actually listening.

Speaker 1 He couldn't get his flight back because

Speaker 1 he's like Rory.

Speaker 1 He just took his ball and went home. But we told him, take notes, and after the interviews, we'll have him do Max's minute where he can correct anything that we say that's wrong.
But

Speaker 1 I saw a report saying that he was crying after Thursday's show.

Speaker 3 Max was crying. He was crying.
He was crying during Thursday's show.

Speaker 1 He was crying during Thursday's show. And so we'll get any corrections to that.
Listen, Orioles kicked the shit shit out of the Phillies.

Speaker 3 They beat the shit out of him.

Speaker 1 They just fucked him up. They got throttled.

Speaker 3 They throttled them. And also,

Speaker 3 apparently, the Philadelphia Water Dogs didn't have a good showing this weekend either.

Speaker 1 Our team sucks.

Speaker 3 I think we should fire Max.

Speaker 1 I watched both. We lost in overtime from both games.

Speaker 3 Not from the podcast,

Speaker 3 from whatever role he has with the Water Dogs.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's a big-time loser.

Speaker 3 Max has been fired from the Philadelphia Water Dogs.

Speaker 1 Saturday's game, we scored with like a second left, and it was so thrilling.

Speaker 1 And then I went to take a piss and overtime started and we had already lost i came back and they were celebrating it's like how did this happen they showed the replay they just got the fucking face off and went i didn't know you were allowed to do that i'll tell you how it happened max yeah

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Speaker 1 Hank, but yes, do go.

Speaker 3 I'm going to do bleachers. I wasn't planning on wearing a hotel.

Speaker 1 You got to get hot Doug's. It's the best.

Speaker 3 The best. What if I catch a home run?

Speaker 1 I throw it back. Well, you got to get there early if you want to get a good spot because there's guys that get there the minute they open.
I'm going to go hample mode. I'm going to go in their seats.

Speaker 1 But yeah, you go hample mode on there. That's big time.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 8 He was back to the week is Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 Oh, Bill. Wow, Bill.

Speaker 8 Wild Bill. Summer of Bill.
TMZ came out with a report that confirmed what I think a lot of people already kind of knew or were speculating about. Did you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I knew.
Why didn't you tell us? I did. Why didn't you tell us on the show? Why didn't you tell the listeners?

Speaker 8 I'm not going to talk about the coach's personal business. I don't know if it was.

Speaker 1 I found out what Hank found out, and

Speaker 3 I was expecting Hank to bring it up at some point. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've new TFT knew too.

Speaker 3 That's not my business to put out.

Speaker 1 That's not my business. He's not my business.
You've kept it from the listeners.

Speaker 3 I hear she's a lovely lady.

Speaker 1 Well, I actually read some stuff about her.

Speaker 1 Can I share? Do you have it? No. Oh, okay.
I really don't. From the TMZ article.

Speaker 1 Oh, you went through Instagram. Do you follow her?

Speaker 8 I do now. Okay.

Speaker 1 Good. Good.

Speaker 1 According to one of Hudson's, what's her name? Jordan Hudson.

Speaker 8 Jordan Hudson.

Speaker 1 According to one of Hudson's former cheerleading teammates, Hudson first met the 72-year-old on a flight from Boston area bound for Florida way back in 2021 and bonded over a philosophy project the student athlete had been working on.

Speaker 1 We're told they swapped contact information after landing and stayed friendly through the ensuing months, discussing her schoolwork and the X's and O's of her cheerleading routines.

Speaker 1 They bonded over her homework.

Speaker 3 Philosophy homework, yeah.

Speaker 1 Her homework.

Speaker 1 Bill helped her with her homework.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, listen.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How old is she?

Speaker 8 He loves studying film. He loves being prepared.
That's like his entire M.O.

Speaker 1 I'm not judging. I'm just saying it's beautiful that they bonded over her homework.

Speaker 3 I think Plato was the original guy that said, do your job. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 What is the film room, if not but a cave? There it is. That's all you know is the dancing flickers of light in front of you showing your tight end laying a block on a weak side linebacker.

Speaker 3 That becomes your reality.

Speaker 1 Yes. You have no idea about the outside world.

Speaker 1 It goes on to say, Belchek was spotted rooting her on at a cheerleading competition in March.

Speaker 1 I did hear homework in cheerleading competition.

Speaker 3 I did hear Bill might have maybe missed a couple team events to go to a cheerleading practice.

Speaker 1 But he didn't miss his girlfriend's cheerleading practice.

Speaker 3 It's very important, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then finally, we're told Hudson,

Speaker 1 an entrepreneur and philosopher.

Speaker 3 That's good. That's a good combo.

Speaker 1 Has even begun helping Belichick with his business endeavors.

Speaker 1 That's good. It's beautiful.
I know. I'm just reading from the article.

Speaker 1 I'm not editorializing any of this. I'm just reading the words from the article.

Speaker 8 Probably start doing a podcast or something. It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 That sounds good. That'd be great.
That sounds good. You had an entrepreneur, philosopher, and they bought it over homework and her cheerleading practice.

Speaker 3 Entrepreneur, philosopher, and cheerleader. Cheerleader.
All rolled into one.

Speaker 3 Sounds like quite a catch for Pope.

Speaker 1 Triple threat. Pop.
That's triple threat.

Speaker 3 And how old is he?

Speaker 1 72. But age is just enough.
He's 71. No, it says 72 right here.

Speaker 3 It's probably not like even a physical thing. They probably were just attracted to each other's minds at first.
Well, she was probably, she probably thought he was hot.

Speaker 1 Homework. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anytime you can bond over homework.

Speaker 3 Do you think she got good grades on that homework?

Speaker 1 Do you think that's a good question?

Speaker 8 Do you ever ask someone for help

Speaker 8 on a flight?

Speaker 1 On homework? No.

Speaker 8 Yeah, just whatever they're working on.

Speaker 3 I've never asked anybody for help on a flight.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 I'm always in control on a flight. Usually I'm in the exit row, and I have not had a single fatality under my watch.

Speaker 1 Do you think she was

Speaker 1 pounding? She's like, God,

Speaker 1 what's wrong? I just can't figure out my homework.

Speaker 3 What is life?

Speaker 1 Let me take a look at that.

Speaker 1 Listen, Belchek just lives his life. I'm not judging at all.
It's just, you can't tell me those sentences weren't at least a little funny.

Speaker 8 Oh, no, it's very funny.

Speaker 1 I found it over at homework and cheerleading.

Speaker 3 I imagined him looking over at her, at her book, not even at her. He doesn't even realize who she is.
He just looks over. He's like, what is that? Nietzsche?

Speaker 3 And then they lock eyes, and then they're like, oh, my God, love at first sight.

Speaker 1 Do you think they have a big calendar in their kitchen? It says, oh, Jordan's cheerleading practice today. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Does he show up? Yep, homework. You got school work, school project coming up.

Speaker 3 What's your name?

Speaker 8 Jordan Hudson. Jordan with an O at the end, though.
Two O's.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's red flag.

Speaker 3 That's red flag. Hank follows her.
Any name that has a weird misspelling like that or ends in an I?

Speaker 1 Do you pick reds? Did they pick you up from school today?

Speaker 3 Jordan Hudson. Let's see.
What kind of entrepreneur is she?

Speaker 1 Philosopher, Entrepreneur.

Speaker 1 It actually says right now, philosopher, entrepreneur, glamorous Girl Scout.

Speaker 8 Aren't all entrepreneurs just the same? Isn't that just a blanket statement?

Speaker 1 What? What?

Speaker 8 Entrepreneur.

Speaker 3 What do you mean is it a blanket statement?

Speaker 8 Like, it doesn't need to be a type of entrepreneur.

Speaker 3 Now you're getting philosophical.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now you're getting real philosophical.

Speaker 3 Bill would love this conversation.

Speaker 8 Like, anyone that

Speaker 8 if you. Because anything is an entrepreneur.

Speaker 3 No, if you start a business, you're an entrepreneur. I want to know what her business is.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 I think she might.

Speaker 1 She might just have the entrepreneurial spirit.

Speaker 1 That could very much be what happened here.

Speaker 3 Oh, it was on a. It was on a, let's see, more more recently, Bill was seen in March at one of her competitions and is reported to have accompanied her on a business trip to Croatia.

Speaker 3 So she's doing business deals in Croatia right now. Yeah, that's legit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm happy for Bill. He seems like he's very happy, does he not? Very happy.
Yeah, so we should be supportive.

Speaker 3 She was almost Miss Maine.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 That's not a bad state.

Speaker 8 And she

Speaker 8 was.

Speaker 3 But almost. She competed in Miss Maine.
Miss Maine participant.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what

Speaker 1 a finalist for Miss Maine?

Speaker 3 She was a competitor in Miss Maine. Okay, okay.
She was the co-main event.

Speaker 1 Co-main event, yeah.

Speaker 3 What were you going to say, Hank? I think she looks like an outstanding young woman. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Me too. She's a birder, too.

Speaker 1 A birder?

Speaker 3 Oh, she birds?

Speaker 1 What is that?

Speaker 3 You don't know bird? You don't know Wing? She just looks at birds?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Listens to birds.

Speaker 3 No, no, it's more about...

Speaker 1 Hank doesn't know what it is either. Oh, yes, it is.

Speaker 3 It's more bird watching, not bird listening.

Speaker 8 No, but you listen.

Speaker 8 I had a science. But that's not the main event.

Speaker 3 The main event is watching. And he would just take us out.

Speaker 1 He would just take us out in the woods. Be like, all right, ready?

Speaker 8 This is what you're going to hear.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to be like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What was that? What was that?

Speaker 8 He was a bird fanatic. What was that, bird? I wish I was more into birds and could tell you.
All right, you know what?

Speaker 1 We're going to get, let's get a birder on the show for the summer. That's the perfect summer guest.

Speaker 3 You know what, though?

Speaker 1 I want a birder in studio.

Speaker 1 I want to interview a birder, and then we'll have

Speaker 1 PM TV. We'll go listen to some birds.

Speaker 3 Go birds. Yeah, go birds.
So, Hank, you just said that your bird.

Speaker 1 Max would love this segment.

Speaker 3 Your bird teacher was.

Speaker 8 My science teacher was a bird.

Speaker 3 But he was a birder, but he was saying that this is the sound, and that's how you identify them by the sound. But the only reason you're figuring out what sound is so that you can look at that bird.

Speaker 3 It's like, oh, that's a Whipperwill. I've never seen a Whipperwill.
Where is it? It's about watching the birds. It's not about listening.

Speaker 8 Well, we'll find out.

Speaker 8 I think it's a combination.

Speaker 3 Do you check it off? Do you check it off your little bird list if you're in the woods and you hear a goldfinch? It has to be like, yep, just heard that when no one looked at the.

Speaker 1 But it has to be at least somewhat about hearing it.

Speaker 3 I almost saw a goldfinch. Go with them.

Speaker 1 You hear them interact. Yeah, we'll find out.
You want to hear them talk. We'll find out.
Hey, none of us are experts. You're kind of sounding like

Speaker 1 judgmental. Yeah, you are.
I'm not being honest.

Speaker 1 You're trying to sound like you're an expert. We all talk to an expert.

Speaker 1 It has to be at least a little bit of sound.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, you use the sound, but the point of using the sound is...

Speaker 1 He's an expert.

Speaker 3 I'm an expert.

Speaker 1 Wait, is she a birder? Yeah. I guess so.
Literally in her Instagram. Okay.
All right. That's good.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 3 PFT. She sounds very nice.

Speaker 1 Very nice. I'm happy for a coach.
Yep. And

Speaker 1 his philosopher girlfriend. Me too.

Speaker 1 Good luck on all homework.

Speaker 3 My who's back of the week is Caitlin Clark Angel Reese arguments. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't think that we should do a full discussion on this because it sucks.

Speaker 1 And also, it was just a regular foul.

Speaker 3 It sucks. It was a flagrant one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but she went for the ball and hit her head. I know, like,

Speaker 1 whatever.

Speaker 3 If you want to hear what Caitlin Clark has to say about it, she said it was just a normal hard foul.

Speaker 1 You could see where she tries to hit the ball, misses the ball, and then hits her with her elbow on her head. That play happens all the time in basketball.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So get ready.

Speaker 3 You know what? We haven't even gotten to the Monday takes because there's a lot of people out there that are

Speaker 1 over it.

Speaker 3 They're writing their columns. They're writing their columns right now about this and what Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees means to America.

Speaker 1 And then there was the other side being like, Caitlin Clark has a responsibility to stand up and speak out against people who are speaking on her back.

Speaker 1 Everyone just shut the fuck up.

Speaker 8 Did you see the article?

Speaker 1 I'm happy she didn't make the Olympic team at this point. Yeah.
Dude, we get a break. Now we get a break.
I want a break.

Speaker 8 It's like the WNBA loses like $20 million a year.

Speaker 1 I think it's more now, too, because

Speaker 8 they have private planes.

Speaker 8 They came out with the report, and it's like gotten worse year over year.

Speaker 3 This is why we can't have nice things.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I need a break.

Speaker 1 I need a timeout. I'm asking for a timeout.

Speaker 3 My other, who's back of the week, plugged God the dozen. Oh, yeah.
Dozen tournaments this week. So I'm competing in the dozen on the experts.
Big Cat's competing on the yak. Hank,

Speaker 3 you're still competing? You're still on that team?

Speaker 1 I'm a champ.

Speaker 3 Okay. I didn't know that you were still on the team.

Speaker 1 It's actually the second highest scorer on the team.

Speaker 8 The defending champion team, yeah.

Speaker 3 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 How many championships has your team won?

Speaker 3 We were in the finals the last two years. Ooh.
How about that? Nice. This feels like the year.
This feels like. Keep talking, Hank.
I hope they ask you a question about birds and you don't know it.

Speaker 1 Jake's on a team.

Speaker 3 Jake's on a team.

Speaker 7 Giant XYZ, we played tonight.

Speaker 3 Who do you play?

Speaker 7 7.40 Eastern Time? We play the Booze Ponies.

Speaker 3 Okay, the real mental giants in the Booz Ponies.

Speaker 7 Who plays Big Cat in the act?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 And who do you play Big Cat?

Speaker 1 The winner.

Speaker 3 Okay, so you have a bye.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were the second-ranked team.

Speaker 8 We're playing Macro Dosing.

Speaker 1 You have a bye? Yeah. Wow, you were one of the top four teams.
Yeah. Fuck yes.

Speaker 3 That's really, you guys had one of the top four records this year.

Speaker 8 We have a buy. We're in the top four teams.

Speaker 3 So that must mean surely that you have top four records. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You did have one of the top four records.

Speaker 3 Or did you just get the league to write you guys out?

Speaker 8 Well, I don't know how the divisions work in conference. That's true.
Conference.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of tiebreakers and things like that. That gets confusing.
But yeah, the winner of macrodosing versus the experts plays against Hank and the Hankats. Nice.

Speaker 3 So I'm really looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 Hank is the second and leading scorer.

Speaker 1 He's been.

Speaker 1 Kirk holds up Hank. Hank holds up Rico.

Speaker 3 Hank is a trivia god. Pretty much captained the team to a buy.

Speaker 1 I've been to a championship.

Speaker 1 I'm excited. You've been to a championship?

Speaker 8 I went to the championship my first year.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah. Me.

Speaker 1 Oh, Dante and Rico. Dante and Ric.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. You have.

Speaker 3 Hank just kept showing up. He's like, I can't believe I'm still here.

Speaker 1 All right. I have two who's backs.
The first is British people complaining about normal temperatures. So So

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw, but in England,

Speaker 1 maybe it was over the weekend or the next couple days, they're going to reach a high of 26 degrees Celsius, and it's going to stay that hot for 48 hours. 26 degrees Celsius is, Hank, guess.

Speaker 8 96.

Speaker 1 78. Come on.

Speaker 1 And I, I.

Speaker 1 So I was like, this can't be real.

Speaker 8 I was going to say,

Speaker 8 that seems low, but if they're complaining already, it's got to be.

Speaker 1 Apparently, Apparently, all of England doesn't have air conditioning. I didn't realize that.
That's the big complaint that they just don't have air conditioning. Yeah.
Which go on fucking Amazon and

Speaker 1 buy an air conditioning unit. One.
Two, 78 degrees is almost. That's like maybe four degrees hotter than my perfect weather.

Speaker 3 Yeah, 78 degrees is wonderful degrees outside. It's perfect.

Speaker 3 It is almost perfect.

Speaker 3 It does stink, though, if you get above like 75 inside your own apartment.

Speaker 1 That's bad. Of course, but just go outside where it's beautiful out.

Speaker 3 It does feel, for some reason, 78 degrees outside feels awesome. 78 degrees inside feels like you're in hell.
Correct. What's the difference?

Speaker 1 But just, well, because there's probably a breeze.

Speaker 3 Breeze, you get the breeze.

Speaker 1 So just open your window.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you can open the window. You can open your window.
Let the breeze in.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is 78 degrees. You can't.
And maybe we have some British AWLs. You can explain to me.

Speaker 1 I also saw some people saying, well, all of our houses are old and we don't have AC.

Speaker 3 Get a new house.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. Fucking move to America.

Speaker 8 Yeah, how old are we talking about here?

Speaker 1 I don't know, dude. Go.
You know what? Go into a pool.

Speaker 1 They don't have pools in England. Yeah, they probably don't.
They definitely don't. They definitely don't have pools.
They have fountains.

Speaker 3 They have a lot of fountains. That you can go look at.
Yeah, right. But you don't have a pool that you take your shirt off and your pasty white body gets just fried to a crisp.
78 degrees is crazy.

Speaker 1 And then my other who's back is Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter, who it was reported the other day that Jimmy Carter is no longer awake every day, grandson says.

Speaker 1 Isn't that just dead? So he's back?

Speaker 3 No, not every day. He's not awake every day, but he's not awake.

Speaker 1 The days that he's just not awake.

Speaker 1 Is he dead?

Speaker 3 I'll play it this way. Every time Nick Cassianos hits a home run, I am terrified that Jimmy Carter news is about to happen.

Speaker 1 I'm not, there's no terrified. left.
He's not awake every day. The guy just let him die.

Speaker 3 He's been in hospice for like a a year and a half.

Speaker 1 I actually would be pissed if I was his wife.

Speaker 3 That like you die, and then it's like, did you not even love me?

Speaker 1 You're supposed to die right away after your longtime wife dies. She died like 16 months ago, and he's just been not awake every day since.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Big T made a great point. He said that Jimmy Carter started to come back to life once he stopped building houses when he was like 98 years old.

Speaker 3 It's like once you take a break, then it's like, oh, yeah, maybe I'm not about to die. Maybe I was just working out in the sun, putting roofs on apartments all day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this, it's,

Speaker 1 dude, he, The pictures of him. He actually could probably run for president with the way everything's been going.

Speaker 3 I mean, right now. The picture of not awake every day.

Speaker 1 No problem.

Speaker 3 Him, his wife, and the Bidens together is one of the all-time pictures.

Speaker 1 This one picture of him in a wheelchair. He's not awake in that.

Speaker 1 Come on, we got to let Jimmy go. We got to let Jimmy go.
This is cruel.

Speaker 3 Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 1 Here's an idea, grandson. Don't wake him up.
Next time he's not awake for a day, don't wake him up the next day. Let him go.
Yeah, don't be like, hey, hey, pop-pop, wake up. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Just let him sleep forever. That's what it's called.

Speaker 3 Jimmy Carter. Turn on the hat.
Jimmy Carter was president. Yeah.
Much, much, much, much better person. Yeah.
Outstanding person. Sure.
Way better person.

Speaker 1 I don't know, but just having a report being like, dude's not awake every day.

Speaker 1 That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 8 He's like the guy from Inception. Like when they just

Speaker 8 go and sleep all day in the little den.

Speaker 1 Are you thinking of the Matrix?

Speaker 8 No, I'm thinking of Inception.

Speaker 1 I think he's thinking of The Matrix. The den.
Plug him in.

Speaker 3 He's an Avatar?

Speaker 1 Are you thinking of Avatar or The Matrix?

Speaker 3 No, Avatar was what they called you in The Matrix.

Speaker 1 Right. So which one are you thinking of?

Speaker 1 I've never seen The Matrix. What? Yo.

Speaker 3 Judge. I've never.

Speaker 1 Hank. Everyone has one.
I've said that.

Speaker 1 I know what happens. Red pill, blue pill.

Speaker 1 Well, no, you don't.

Speaker 1 You don't.

Speaker 8 You'd eat the bugs.

Speaker 8 I have a general understanding of what happens, but yeah, I've never seen it.

Speaker 3 I heard a nasty rumor that Big Cat eats bugs.

Speaker 1 I will never eat the bugs. I heard...
There were people saying everyone.

Speaker 3 There were people saying online that you're. They're calling me Bug Cat.
Bug Cat, yeah, Barstool Bug Cat.

Speaker 1 I'll never eat the bugs.

Speaker 8 We also forgot to shout out.

Speaker 1 You said last week you'd eat the bugs.

Speaker 3 I know. I said I drink the bugs in the Cicada Malort shot.

Speaker 1 That's what they want you to do, first step.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 7 Who's back is retiring on live television because that is what what Charles Barkley announced late Friday night.

Speaker 7 There was a lot of speculation about the future of NBA on TNT inside the NBA. We have one more year, and after that, it's over.
He is going to be off of television no matter what happens.

Speaker 1 I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
I don't buy it. He's too good.

Speaker 8 That's just what you say at the end of a year.

Speaker 1 He's just doing.

Speaker 1 He said a million different things. He's like, well, maybe I'll just hire everyone and we'll have a new, we'll bring it over here.
Maybe I'll retire. Maybe we'll.

Speaker 1 He's just. I love Charles Barkley.
I love, love, love Charles Barkley. I don't buy it.

Speaker 3 Charles Barkley could talk about anything on TV, and I would watch. It doesn't matter what it could be.
He could do a recap show for Summer House. I don't buy it.
He could do baseball.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he doesn't prep.

Speaker 3 He watches. I don't buy it.

Speaker 1 There's no way he preps, right? No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 But that's what makes him so electric.

Speaker 1 I think he watches that.

Speaker 3 He probably writes down on a piece of paper like terrible.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did he do?

Speaker 1 Did he do it when he did the hockey game?

Speaker 7 No, he was on the NBA TV post-game show

Speaker 1 on Friday night.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see the difference between the hockey desk that ESPN has for the hockey desk for the Stanley Cup finals and then the NBA desk? No. The NBA finals? It's fucking hilarious.
They put

Speaker 1 they ran out of money for the hockey. Hold on, I'm going to, can you pull it up? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Memes? Let me take a look at this desk.

Speaker 1 Memes, look at this.

Speaker 1 Pete Blackburn pointed it out, and it's very funny. I just sent it to you, memes.

Speaker 1 Or, Jake, do I need to send it to you?

Speaker 1 You're not going to be able to Google desk and then find it.

Speaker 1 I text it to you.

Speaker 3 DM it to.

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 1 This is good stuff. This is good stuff right now.
Cut this.

Speaker 3 This is, yeah, waiting to see a desk.

Speaker 8 We really need someone here to help this out.

Speaker 1 Who am I DMing it to?

Speaker 3 Who usually does this?

Speaker 1 Who am I DMing it to? Max is like this. Oh, Max does it?

Speaker 3 Bread and butter.

Speaker 1 Where is Max? Max is not here.

Speaker 1 He's crying because his Phillies got fucking dog walked by the Orioles. Bad.

Speaker 3 Max would have. Yeah,

Speaker 3 this is really bad for him.

Speaker 1 Look at this. Look at these two desks.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, we can't see the front of the desk in the hockey. We just see the top.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's so good.

Speaker 3 It's a bad desk.

Speaker 1 It's so good. The difference is very, very stark.

Speaker 3 They got the trophy there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Pete Blackbeard, for finding that.

Speaker 1 Just noticing that. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't even think they brought that desk. That's just...
That's an Edmonton desk.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was there. That's built into the stadium.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The boys were whooping it up.

Speaker 1 Biz

Speaker 1 manhandled the guy at the game. I don't know if you saw that.

Speaker 3 I did see that, yeah.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 3 He looked like he was full of energy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Jake, I don't buy it. I just don't.
All right, we'll see. I mean, I'm not, that's not.
I just. I saw it.
I would love for it to continue.

Speaker 1 And I just think Charles is just kind of saying whatever right now.

Speaker 3 I think that he, in the moment, he's like, yeah, I'm rich. I don't want to work my whole life.
I'll just be done in a year.

Speaker 3 And then he'll go off the air for maybe a little bit, and then he'll get offered a giant contract to talk about anything. And he'll be like, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 3 It's kind of fun just talking on camera.

Speaker 1 Also, just play this out for a second, right?

Speaker 1 NBC got NBA, is that right? I think that's what the rest of the day. Okay, so TNT no longer.

Speaker 1 I hope means just playing biz, just beating this guy up. That guy's just grabbing.

Speaker 1 He looks like Mike McDaniels.

Speaker 1 So Charles Barkley, NBC's got NBA. Charles Barkley's out of a job.

Speaker 1 NBC wants Charles Barkley to do inside the NBA on NBC.

Speaker 1 Who is Charles Barkley bidding? Who are they bidding against? No one? Well, now they're bidding against Charles Barkley retirement. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's it. Charles Barkley can't, if NBC has all the rights to the NBA, and that's where the show is going to be, they'll be like, hey, Charles, we're going to pay you $10 million a year.

Speaker 1 He can be like, no.

Speaker 1 They know that he has to either do that or not. Now he's like, oh, I'm going to retire.
Now you have to bid against me just not working anymore.

Speaker 3 I would love to see them do a little cross-pollination with their football desk and have it be Tony Dungy and Charles Barkley

Speaker 3 at the same time on a desk. Charles trying to talk to Tony about big women in San Antonio.
Yeah. Is watching Tony Dungy just cry in shame.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be good. They'd be a great buddy cop.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get some interviews. We got Smiley Kaufman.
We got Mike Florio, and then we're going to finish with Max's minute and a quick Monday reading.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He was there at Pinehurst number two for the U.S.
Open on the call on the NBC coverage. It is Smiley Kaufman.
He also has a podcast.

Speaker 1 You can go check it out right now. It's called The Smiley Show for more golf takes.

Speaker 1 Smiley, first of all, thank you for joining us. You're driving right now from Pinehurst to Charlotte, so we appreciate you joining us.

Speaker 13 Yes. What's up, boys? Thank you for having me on.
And

Speaker 13 that was some epic TV, I must say. It was pretty fun to be a part of something like that.
I guess I kind of now know what it feels like to be a Chicago Bears fan.

Speaker 13 It kind of felt like the double point out there for Rory, did it not? Like, it was a tough scene, man. It was just hard to watch.

Speaker 13 But epic theater for golf, man.

Speaker 1 Yes, yeah. Are you okay?

Speaker 3 Were you in the parking lot when Rory peeled out and mowed down several spectators? It looked like it was a violent, gruesome scene there after the tournament was over.

Speaker 13 Yeah, it looked like shooter McGavin leaving after he lost to her championship to Happy Gilmore. Yeah,

Speaker 13 I mean, it sucks, man. Like, the guy was right there.
He hadn't won in 10 years at a major. He was just right there for the taking.
And,

Speaker 13 God, it's just so hard to win majors. But I feel like that was the most agonizing way for him to ever lose one again because he hasn't necessarily been.
super close besides the St.

Speaker 13 Andrews Open Championship where he had 18 two putts in one round. So it's, I just feel for Rory, but man, Bryson hit an epic bunker shot on 18.
And the guy is just the content king if we're being,

Speaker 13 if we're being, I mean, looking at this guy, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so I know we want to talk about Bryson because he is the winner, but I think most times when you have a collapse like that, the loser gets talked about a good deal because it's a little bit more interesting in the moment.

Speaker 1 So, Rory

Speaker 1 is eight under

Speaker 1 going to the 14th. And what happened in the end, missing two putts, you know, four feet and in,

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 how does that happen, I guess?

Speaker 1 How does that happen? And is that one of the most painful? We know some of the most painful major losses, you know, Greg Norman, Vande Vald, all those things.

Speaker 1 But this one feels like it might be up there in the Mount Rushmore of painful chokes just because of where he was four holes earlier and how he had been playing and and the in the 10 years that you mentioned.

Speaker 1 And to have it go down like that,

Speaker 1 that is an epic, epic loss for Rory.

Speaker 13 100%.

Speaker 13 I mean, the only other one I can think of of recent memory that we still talk about that I actually was a part of was the final round in 2016 at the Masters where Jordan had, you know, he had a four-shot lead hit into the back nine and makes a seven at number 12.

Speaker 13 And Danny Willett goes on to win. That one was agonizing to watch.

Speaker 13 It was agonizing, I'm sure, for Jordan and then Rory today.

Speaker 13 But, dude, I can't think of any other golf event that was that entertaining over the last decade besides maybe the Jordan Masters one. It was just, and how does it happen? How do you miss those spots?

Speaker 13 16 was, I felt like, inexcusable. That one, to me, was an easy two putt.

Speaker 13 I don't know what happened on his three footer that he missed because he typically doesn't he's really good inside a three feet he's not somebody i was worried about i was actually walking away and i was like oh my god he missed it i just didn't even come into my mind that missing that putt was a possibility and then 18 was a actually a really interesting putt on 18 because i got behind and looked at it i saw like inside left left center and I'd heard from Max, who you guys obviously have on all the time.

Speaker 13 He had told JT that he hit that putt in the practice round and said, it's a really weird putt because if you get it started too far out on the left, the grain keeps it there.

Speaker 13 But if you start it inside the hole, it like breaks off the planet. And that's exactly what happened.
So

Speaker 13 it was a really tough putt that he had.

Speaker 13 But I mean, after Bryson hit in the bunker, I felt like we were going to, you know, the aggregate scorecard or that not scorecard playoff, aggregate two-hole playoff.

Speaker 13 And Bryson just got up there and just hit an unreal shot.

Speaker 1 So crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you said it, I think, think, on the broadcast, which made it such great theater going down the stretch that it felt like match play because of the way Pinehurst is set up, that like Rory was looking back and seeing where Bryson would end up before he would tee off on some holes.

Speaker 1 How is that all breaking down?

Speaker 1 I even heard, it might not have been you, but someone said that Rory hit, like, kind of went fast on one of the greens to putt in so that you can get the roar right before Bryson had to take a difficult shot.

Speaker 1 Like, how was that all set up from your point of view?

Speaker 13 It started on the ninth hole exactly what you just said and bryson had hit it long left at eight it was going to have a really difficult up and down and rory and bryson kind of looked at each other and and bryson i thought was going to go but rory was not about to let bryson hit a chip shot first he wanted to make the putt to let him know that he just made birdie And then Bryson hit an incredible chip and ends up getting up and down.

Speaker 13 And that's when I was like, oh, boy, we're in for some good stuff on the back back nine. And then it just seemed like a back and forth of roars on the back nine, which

Speaker 13 I think going into the day, we love we wanted for Bryson and Rory to be in the same group, but it worked out way better this way because

Speaker 13 each person was waiting on each other. Rory

Speaker 13 pretty much watched every single shot that Bryson hit on that back nine outside of a couple because he would look back and saw exactly what he was doing and he knew where he he stood. And that's

Speaker 13 it's it makes it that much that heart that much more heart-wrenching that he knew what he had to do and just wasn't able to get it done.

Speaker 3 It also sounds like maybe the wrong strategy, too, by Rory, because it got in his own head. Like, he was feeling all the pressure in the world.

Speaker 3 If he's missing two of those putts, and maybe he shouldn't have been paying that close attention to what Bryson was doing, but he's like timing out his shots to make sure that he can get the roar before Bryson.

Speaker 3 I don't know. It seems like it's not a usual strategy to take, so I'm not, it ended up not being that effective.
But

Speaker 3 when it comes to Bryson's strategy, it seemed like

Speaker 3 his way of breaking down this golf course was just basically like hit the fuck out of the ball and hope that you get a great lie in the native areas.

Speaker 3 Like, don't be afraid of the native areas and just hope that you luck out and it doesn't land up like in a bush. And it worked out pretty well for him.

Speaker 3 But do you think, do you think he was just kind of taking a reckless strategy towards the whole thing where he was like, I'm just going to hit it long and hope that the live turns out well for me.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, totally. You're right.
I mean, there was definitely an element of luck involved this week in Piners number two.

Speaker 13 The native areas, man, like for the most part all week, guys were able to hit out of it and kind of get it up near the green. I think Bryson only had to pitch out one time that I can remember.

Speaker 13 So there was a huge element of luck.

Speaker 13 I think there needs to probably be beat, like have more of that like crazy grass out there because there wasn't maybe enough of a penalty for some of the shots that bryson was hitting today um because rory drove the absolute crap out of it today

Speaker 13 and yeah i mean bryson hits the out of it yeah and so does rory they both had averaged like 340 yards off the tee which is just insane to think about um

Speaker 13 but uh yeah i mean bryson

Speaker 13 he's he's epic man like he's he's fun to watch in person he's fun to watch on tv and he just wears his emotions on his sleeve.

Speaker 13 And I don't think we've had a golfer like that that I can think of in a long time that is just built for TV. He's just boxed off his price, man.

Speaker 1 He, he, you know what he is? And I've seen some people were making this. I'm not taking credit for this, but people were saying that he's the second coming of Phil.

Speaker 1 Where when Phil was at his height, Phil was very,

Speaker 1 you know, he was emotional. He would, he would wear it on his sleeve.
His interviews were interesting. It's like he is like the 2024 YouTube version of Phil Mickelson.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's a good point you make. And in some ways, yes, they are similar.
And I think that Bryson's goofier.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 And Phil, I think, is much more of like a know-it-all, if you will.

Speaker 13 I think it's the best way to kind of describe Phil. But Phil was like expert in mind games and being able to kind of get...

Speaker 13 uh not only in his own head but in other people's heads and and how he kind of worked his way around a golf course and how he treated the media. Bryson's been interesting, man.
Like,

Speaker 13 we need to have like a 30 for 30 on how somebody can leave the PGA tour.

Speaker 13 And I would say that the majority of the people were over Bryson, but they enjoyed watching him play golf.

Speaker 13 But as like the person and the person to like actually root for, I think he was had more, it was probably closer to 50-50, whether people rooted for him or not.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 13 it's wild to me now. He goes to the live golf tour, and somehow he's become this unbelievably well-liked guy.
And 90% of the dudes that have gone to the live golf tour have become not well-liked.

Speaker 13 So it's just wild how this is like totally turned in his direction. I think you got to point to his content, all the stuff that he's done off the golf course.
His social channels are just insane.

Speaker 13 He's leaning into his audience and

Speaker 13 then the TV, too.

Speaker 13 He's just fun to watch.

Speaker 1 I also think it might be one of the cases where he's the one guy where less is more. You don't have to watch him every single week.

Speaker 1 He becomes a lot more palatable and interesting, where it's like it's work to like overexposure might be a thing for him.

Speaker 1 And he can find his own audience online, which that's, you know, people are opting into that.

Speaker 1 But if he was there on your TV every single Sunday, you'd be like, Maybe I don't love this guy, so maybe Liv was he's the only one who's kind of one on Liv.

Speaker 3 They don't have they don't have microphones on the course that can pick up you complaining to a rules official about ants being near,

Speaker 1 right? They're like getting hit, they don't broadcast that getting hit. Remember when he got hit by the uh, that rope was fucked up, blamed everyone else.

Speaker 3 That was a very violent rope, yeah.

Speaker 1 He blamed his like caddy, he stared at the rope and put that rope there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so but I had one question about Bryce in his game today because it was it looked like it was he was gonna lose it, and it was like, I thought going into today, there was with the way the course was playing, if he shoots, you know, even par, he should win.

Speaker 1 And that's about, I think he shot plus one today.

Speaker 1 But what happened with his driver? So his driver caved in in practice, and then he had to use another driver. So you obviously, you know, you, you're a professional, you're a professional golfer.

Speaker 1 You know all these guys. Is it that different when you're like, I need to now use a different driver? And how long does it take to get comfortable with it?

Speaker 1 Because clearly he didn't have the same accuracy on his driver today.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I heard that he said that he can't, he couldn't turn over the driver today.

Speaker 13 And then, like, I think the on the front nine, he was leaving everything out to the right, and then he was overcorrecting on the back nine. But yeah, it's a big deal not to have your gamer.

Speaker 13 You know, he was driving that driver so well. And I heard he flattened his face, which is

Speaker 13 most of the time, guys crack the face, and that's when they change out to new drivers. When I hear flatten the face, I actually think about his drivers.

Speaker 13 It's called like bulge bulge and roll, and nobody else has whatever the heck that even means. It's basically, it's a curvature of the face.

Speaker 13 And it's the best way to explain it is it's like an autocorrect. So if you hit it in the heel, it starts further left.
If it's you hit it in the toe, it starts further right.

Speaker 13 And I think his flattened to where it was less of a curve.

Speaker 13 And I guess he noticed it on the range pre-round and changed out his heads and then went out to the course with something that he probably had maybe

Speaker 13 maybe he had used that head before, but most likely not. So it was definitely probably an uneasy feeling, especially with Rory getting off to a good start birdieing one.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 it's just,

Speaker 13 you couldn't make up today, man. Like the storylines today from start to finish were just epic.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I feel like the content game helped him out with that, too, because he does a lot of wacky shit like that, where he's like, I see if I can break par using a set of rented clubs that I just got like five minutes before.

Speaker 3 And so now, I mean, if we really want to stay woke on it, maybe there were some cameras going behind the scenes and we're going to see like the entire... He's like, oh no, my driver's broken.

Speaker 3 Can I win the U.S. Open on day?

Speaker 1 Can I win the U.S.

Speaker 3 Open on day four with a brand new driver? It's a Mr. Beast challenge? It's a Mr.

Speaker 3 Beast challenge, and it's a driver that he's been practicing with for like six months and he knows inside and out, but he's acting like this is. I'm just very woke on Bryce.

Speaker 3 And I do, I have kind of like, I'm happy for Bryson's fans today, for the people, like diehard Bryson content guys. Good for them.
He's, he's creative. He does some fun stuff, and he is more likable.

Speaker 3 I do think Big Cat's right, actually.

Speaker 3 I was thinking of that earlier, that, like, you don't get to see Bryson all the time, so you don't get inundated with all the real corny stuff that he does, right?

Speaker 3 But you do get to see him, and he looks like he's happy, and it's easy to root for a guy who's genuinely happy. I'm mad at Rory, though.
I'm pissed off.

Speaker 3 I think that all amateur golfers, all people that golfer fun, should be really angry with Rory today because he just made the length of a gimme putt so much longer.

Speaker 3 Because now if it's inside Rory range, you're going to have to putt that out. I've never missed a putt inside four feet before because they say just pick it up.
And I'm like, yes, I will pick that up.

Speaker 3 Now you don't get those gimmis anymore. So that's a, I'm, I'm upset with Rory.
I think we all have a right to be upset with him after his performance today.

Speaker 13 Well said. Well said.

Speaker 13 You know what's kind of crazy about Rory today too is we're going to remember. the missed putts at 16.
We're going to remember the missed putt at 18.

Speaker 13 But what we're going to forget is how well he putted today. He made everything today, he made every important putt he had to make all the way up until the 16th hole.

Speaker 13 But history doesn't, unfortunately, isn't going to be kind to him on that. And

Speaker 13 it's got to be just such a tough, tough feeling driving away from the golf course. Apparently, peeling out.
I haven't speeded up that video yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was Matt Byzantine through his clubs. So, all right.
So, talking about the putting,

Speaker 1 you're there. Can you explain to us in layman's terms, you know, our listeners who have never played Pine Earth U.S.
Open course, obviously neither have we.

Speaker 3 No, we pretty much did. We pretty much did.

Speaker 1 We played mid-pines once.

Speaker 1 But, like, the greens, putting. Also, I loved the fact that if you hit it in the wrong spot, the ball just rolls forever.

Speaker 1 What does that look like when you're standing there? And just how difficult is it for

Speaker 1 the guys who are the best in the world at golf?

Speaker 13 You know, it's just scary. It's just, you know, it's an upside-down salad bowl is basically what most of the greens look like.

Speaker 13 And when you get the firmness and the speed in which these greens played like this week,

Speaker 13 they're just daunting. Even standing from the fairway, looking at the green, it looks like you have nowhere to hit it.

Speaker 13 And I think you saw some of the best iron players in the world make shaky swings because they literally have a hula hoop.

Speaker 13 that they're trying to land the golf ball in to keep it to get it close to the hole. Most of the time we saw guys bail out to the place to where you could maybe get it up and down.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 when you get on the greens, you can make some putts if you got below the hole. The problem is when they stick to the flagsticks on the corners of the green, you can't get below the hole.

Speaker 13 So you have all these, you know, big breaking putts, wag putts that are really difficult.

Speaker 13 And some of the ones coming down the stretch, it looks like when you get that back hole locations on some of these greens, it looks like you're about to putt it over a cliff.

Speaker 13 And so most of the time, it looks, you end up coming up short on most of your big wag putts from about 40 feet, because you know, if you hammer it, you're going to have to go hit a 40-yard wedge shot on some of them.

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 13 rightfully so, these guys are leaving, you know, these putts four or five feet short and giving themselves, you know, putts they have to make for par in which I thought today a lot of the guys really handled those tricky wag putts really well.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 even even the one on 16, it was a good putt that where he hit the first one and just had a brain lapse on the second one.

Speaker 13 I can't explain what happened.

Speaker 3 What's the shortest putt you've ever missed?

Speaker 13 I missed a putt from probably six inches away. And I'll tell you what happened.

Speaker 13 You know, if you're ever playing in the morning when it's dewy, and the golf ball collects kind of some sand or collects a little bit of dew on it.

Speaker 13 And a lot of times players will will mark clean the golf ball and tap in when you know there's some moisture sand on the ball. And so I go to tap it in not realizing that it was on it.

Speaker 13 And I hit it maybe an inch in front of me.

Speaker 13 It didn't even feel like I made impact. That's how much water and sand was on the golf ball.
So for me,

Speaker 13 something around the six inches range. Damn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 It's very funny that you bring up the stat about Rory's putting actually being very good today. Like anybody will ever remember that.

Speaker 3 That's a big, like in real life, besides that, how was the play, Miss Lincoln? Like he had

Speaker 3 a great day by all objective measures, but then the only thing people remember is those two putts.

Speaker 13 It's like not to cut you off, I'm just thinking about like Russell Wilson, the interception he threw on the two-yard line.

Speaker 13 Like all we remember is that we don't remember hardly the amazing pass down the sideline to get him into that position to where they had a chance to go and win the game.

Speaker 13 Like, that to me is like a pretty similar scenario where then it's like, all right, Russell gets it down to the two. They don't hand it off.
That's all we ever remember to talk about. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's a good comparison. Do you think that there's any chance that Rory can look back on this, I don't know, maybe a month, two months from now, and think, like,

Speaker 3 maybe it was a good thing. Maybe it showed me that I can compete? Like, does he get any confidence back whatsoever by being that close to winning another major?

Speaker 13 Oh, man, that's a good question. Good question.
When it's been 10 years since you've won a major and you let one slip away

Speaker 13 like this happened today, because it did slip away.

Speaker 13 I think,

Speaker 13 yes, he'll remain confident in his game. I think this one's going to sting for a really long time.
And it won't surprise me to see him pull out of the Travelers this next week.

Speaker 13 I doubt we'll see him there. I'd be shocked if we see him there.

Speaker 13 And yeah, the fifth major, there you go, the Keegan Bradley Invitational. And

Speaker 13 man, I think we won't see him until maybe the Irish Open or the Scottish Open

Speaker 13 three or so weeks from now. You know, he skipped out on media.
So next time we'll really get to ask him the question is three weeks from now, and

Speaker 13 we'll see.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 the open championship is his last shot this year but the u.s open that's six straight top tens that he's had at a u.s open and it's just we keep saying it's a matter of time but you know it you need some luck to win uh major championships you you know you have to have the opportunities and

Speaker 13 He just didn't take advantage of his opportunities. It was his time to win today, and he just didn't get it done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So

Speaker 1 last question about Bryson. That shot he made out of the bunker in 18.
Can you tell us, can you explain to us how difficult that shot was?

Speaker 1 Because that was, as much as it was Rory choking, Bryson felt like, you know, his T shot on 18 was bad. He's in this really tough spot.

Speaker 1 Then he goes to the bunker, and then he makes an incredible, incredible shot to save par on 18 and win it outright. Like, what...

Speaker 1 What did that shot look like from where you were standing and how difficult that was?

Speaker 13 I was probably 15 yards away away from him so i had the best view in the house and i as soon as he hit into that that greenside bunker i said to my yardish guy i was like hey let's get ready for a playoff with no chance he's getting this up and down

Speaker 13 and as soon as he walked into the bunker there was a i could tell that there was a lot more sand uh than than maybe some of the other bunkers on the course which i thought made the shot even more difficult because more sand it's harder to you know because at that time much closer you got to to hit it to the golf ball because the further back you take it, the shorter it's going to go.

Speaker 13 And I actually tweeted out: I said, if it was me hitting in there in that moment, I would have sent it over the clubhouse. I mean, a 55-yard bunker shot is one of the more difficult shots in the game.

Speaker 13 And Bryson probably hit a, I'd say, a gap wedge is probably what he used, which is, you know, somewhere around that 50 to 52 degrees. And full swing, you know, probably

Speaker 13 that club entered maybe an inch behind the golf ball and it's a full swing.

Speaker 13 So the fact that he went in there full swing and bringing in, literally launching it over the clubhouse and having the nerve to pull the shot off and get it inside of five feet was unbelievable.

Speaker 13 It really was an unbelievable shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm watching it again.
It was crazy.

Speaker 3 The shot that he hit, I forget which part three it was. He hit an eight iron like 215 yards.
That was insane. Just screaming at the ball in the air.

Speaker 3 That was one of the most impressive golf shots I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 13 It's,

Speaker 13 you know, his iron game is weird because his wafts are

Speaker 13 similar. It's like if his eight iron is like a normal six iron, but it's really fun to say when he has 215 yards and he hits an eight iron.

Speaker 13 It's epic like to say that out loud that somebody's hitting an eight iron from that far away. Yeah.
So all week, I would get the sign of, you know, because we get the

Speaker 13 flash of, you know, if it's a nine-iron, they flash me a four. It's an eight-iron, they flash me a three.
And some of the times I'd be like, are you serious? Like, is that right?

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 just

Speaker 13 epic. Yeah.
I mean, who doesn't like

Speaker 13 seeing that on TV? I don't know. It's the guy's unbelievable.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So wait, what are what's the deal with his irons? He's got different lofts. So like his eight iron is actually a six iron?

Speaker 13 Yeah, it's all because of how hard he hits it and his

Speaker 13 all the shit he does is really weird. It's like seven-iron link shafts.
He's got these jumbo grips.

Speaker 13 The Y angle is really weird. And what he's trying to do is to get the correct apex height.
And when he explains it,

Speaker 13 you kind of understand what he's talking about. So like I'm going to give you what I know about it, which is.

Speaker 13 He's just trying to match the flight in which the window that he typically wants a nine and eight iron to fly.

Speaker 13 And once he gets that waft correctly, because he hits so much, I guess, up on the golf ball, that's how they settle in on what their nine iron or eight iron waft actually is.

Speaker 13 Yeah, it's it's really odd because most guys are, you know, a typical set is, you know,

Speaker 13 42 degrees is like a nine iron, I think. And I think his is, you know, closer to

Speaker 13 shit,

Speaker 13 my math, my brain is fried right now, so I don't even want to try to figure out what his wafts are, but just know that they're two irons off of what anybody else's is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like the

Speaker 3 Terrence Howard of golf, it sounds like he just reinvented math. Yeah,

Speaker 13 it's something that y'all should consider, though. Like, you know, you should probably do it too, because like when you get to a T-box, you can just be like, hey, what are you hitting? Yeah.

Speaker 13 And they'll say, I'm hitting seven iron. And then you can be like, oh, well, I'm hitting nine iron.
Yeah. But you're really hitting a seven iron.
So it's kind of a play.

Speaker 1 In their head.

Speaker 3 So what I'll do is I'll take my six iron and I'll just write one little like curve on it. So that's an eight now.

Speaker 1 That's my eight iron.

Speaker 1 All right, so Smiley, this has been awesome.

Speaker 3 I had a couple last questions.

Speaker 1 The first was, this course, this was such a fun weekend of golf. And the U.S.
Open is usually

Speaker 1 this way because it's such a great test and they make it so difficult. And it's, you know, if you look at the leaderboard, there was what, there was like

Speaker 1 seven guys under par. And like, it's just fun golf to see that test.
Do you think that they should do that more often with some of these tournaments? Because

Speaker 1 birdies are fun, Eagles are fun, but I think this type of golf is just so much more like exciting watching guys have to struggle and knowing, like, hey, here's the deal.

Speaker 1 You have to hit the perfect shot to get a birdie. And if you make a little mistake, you're getting a bogey, and that's how it should work.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, the U.S. Open, I think, is the one week of the year that fans get to root for the golf course.

Speaker 13 We root for struggle, and it's totally opposite than what we saw for the pga championship at valhalla which was

Speaker 13 by the numbers the easiest golf course ever on a major championship with xander winning i believe at 21 under bar i think was the final yeah so it's just total opposite where the pga championship was all about how well could you execute you know could you be able to just hit the shot that that's called in front of you which is not a whole lot of thinking involved versus the U.S.

Speaker 13 Open, where there's a whole lot of thinking involved and and there's so much to take in and there's all luck involved involved with pinehurst number two

Speaker 13 and yeah i i i think there's a time and place for it like last week at the memorial like was a us open type of setup and i think a guy like scotty sheffer why he didn't have a good week this week was i think he was worn out from playing back-to-back us open type of setups so there's There's times and places for it, but guys don't like playing U.S.

Speaker 13 Open style setups every week. And I think the fans like watching putts going for birdie for the most part on most weeks, but the U.S.
Open's different, man.

Speaker 13 Like, as long as the golf course, you know, doesn't get out of hand, I think, and it didn't this week, it made for some incredible theater.

Speaker 13 And it, you, you really could tell that the guys on top of the leaderboard were the guys executing at the highest level.

Speaker 1 What is out of hand? We were having this debate on Thursday.

Speaker 1 What actually, we know borderline, but what is over the line? Because it's all, it's such a funny concept to me being like, no, this golf course is like too mean.

Speaker 13 Well, it starts with weather. You know, you got to start with weather.

Speaker 13 If it's blowing, like if it was blowing 20 miles an hour today, it would have been out of hand. It would have been ridiculous because it was only a five to seven mile an hour breeze, totally fine.

Speaker 13 A lot of times, whole locations too, you know,

Speaker 13 there's just certain things with course setup that can be be just dumb to players where they just get annoyed with like, what, what is, what is the USGA trying to get out of this?

Speaker 13 Where I feel like today was a perfect setup. I thought it could have been a little bit harder too.
Like, I think they could have maybe made it a little bit trickier than they did.

Speaker 13 But I don't know.

Speaker 13 I think it.

Speaker 13 ended up working out okay. I mean, it was,

Speaker 13 I'm still just in awe of what I witnessed. Same.

Speaker 1 Same.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was shocking. It was also just when the back nine started, you knew that something special was going to happen.
Did you get that feeling?

Speaker 3 Like, do you know that in the moment that this is going to be an iconic finish of a U.S. Open?

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 13 I think it all started on 9-Green. And then 10 with Rory making a play and then Patrick making it right after.

Speaker 13 And then Bryson burning 10.

Speaker 13 But really, 13 is where I was like, this is going to be so sick down the the stretch because Rory gets up and down from behind the green, makes birdie, gets the eight under, and Bryson just makes Bogey at 12.

Speaker 13 And Rory's over his T-shot at 14, about to hit. And I had known that Bryson's three would was already in the air and it was on a good line.
I was like, oh, boy, there's about to be a roar.

Speaker 13 And of course, it lands short of the green, bounces up, goes to 25 feet. And now Rory has to step off the ball.

Speaker 13 And I'm like, we're about to have this epic back and forth where they're going to have to wait on each other to hit because one doesn't want to be hitting while the other hits an epic shot and then

Speaker 13 in their downswing has a roar that screws them up. So you knew there was going to be this waiting.
And it turned out to be a chess game down the stretch. And

Speaker 13 it just was epic. Absolutely epic.
It was.

Speaker 1 It was so awesome. And that shot, yeah,

Speaker 1 that was what it really did feel like it started when he drove the green on the par four. All right.
So I have one last question for you, Smiley. And thank you so much, by the way.

Speaker 1 This has been awesome.

Speaker 1 Really cool to talk to someone who is right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're definitely going to have you back on. So because I think you guys have the open, right, as well?

Speaker 13 Yeah. Okay.
You got the open championship.

Speaker 1 Great. So you'll be back on for that.

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Speaker 1 Now, you made the Bears comment at the beginning, and I didn't want to do this, but I'm going to have to do this.

Speaker 1 Did you see Alabama's new golf facility? Because there is no one who's ever going to go golfing at LSU ever again. It's the craziest, coolest golf facility that they made for their team.

Speaker 1 I think JT had like built the course, and it is incredible. So

Speaker 1 that sucks for you and your LSU Tigers, who I do like, but that sucks for you. Did you see it?

Speaker 13 No, yeah.

Speaker 13 I've been, you know, I live in Birmingham, i i'm i've been up to date on everything they're doing in alabama jt's kept me in the loop as well it's sick yeah i mean it's they really didn't need a facility there um because the golf courses there you know at in tuscaloos are i wouldn't call you know

Speaker 13 first class as far as any of the other courses compared you know the lsc's coming out of it it's bad okay no that's good they really did They really did need to get a golf course in which they can kind of go and practice and do, you know, hit all different kinds of shots, and it looks sweet.

Speaker 13 Uh,

Speaker 13 I'm uh, I'm very jealous, and I'll probably end up going there a time or two, hopefully, maybe with uh JT or Trey Molinax or some of those boys, but yeah, that's sick. Uh,

Speaker 13 and uh, heck, I mean, shoot, when you come down to Baton Rouge like you do once or twice a year for a football game, we'll have to head out there and I got to fix your posture, man.

Speaker 13 Your golf swing posture is

Speaker 13 uh something I've never seen before.

Speaker 1 Did you wait, Smiley? Did you not see the 28 I shot at Shark Tooth in the front nine?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 I shot a 28 on the front nine.

Speaker 13 Yeah, did I see that you birdied 17 to like kind of finish with like a 54 on the back or something? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I ended with an 83, so it kind of got away from me, but a 28 on the front nine is pretty insane. I was eight under going to the going to the hot dogs.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, that's not bad. 28's pretty good out there on the front.

Speaker 1 I played like seven holes. It was so hot.
It was so goddamn hot. I played like seven holes and quit.

Speaker 13 What was Port Noise like breaking? Did he like break par?

Speaker 1 Is that what it was?

Speaker 1 He shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he shot four under a Chinnocock, but he had unlimited mulligans. So he just sat there and they just fed him balls over and over.
He shot like a thousand shots.

Speaker 3 He won the U.S. Open.
He won the U.S.

Speaker 1 Open.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, that was his goal, is to try to beat the winning score just by taking as many shots because they thought that he would just run out of time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 There aren't enough mulligans in the day for him to complete it. But he brought like five guys out there that were feeding the balls, shagging all the ones he was hitting.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, he dominated that course.

Speaker 13 My next question is, is how many golf balls it would take for Poinori to get up and down from where Bryson was in the buck rate 18?

Speaker 1 Ooh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Well, he's got a bad shoulder now. He's got a bad shoulder.

Speaker 1 He can't do that. He does have a bad shoulder.
He'd probably dislike him.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have a bad swing. He just has a bad shoulder.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 we got to play, and I would love for some tips, and you can fix my swing. I have your number now.
Maybe I'll FaceTime you while I'm on the simulator, and you can give me some tips.

Speaker 13 Hell yeah. Hell yeah, man.
This has been great, and anytime you want to have me on, I'd love to do it.

Speaker 13 But yeah, I definitely look forward to potentially seeing it down in Baton Rouge. Like, we bump into each other every year with the canes and walk-on folks over there at LSU.
It's a good time.

Speaker 13 They're the best.

Speaker 3 Finally, you guys also dodged a bullet. I guess not you guys, but the USGA did because there were some people that were very much looking forward to Monday golf.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, people started to correct them and say, like, hey, actually, it's just a two-hole playoff now.

Speaker 3 But if it had gone to a playoff, people would have been really pissed off that we didn't have a full Monday of golf. Why did they change that rule? Can we bring that back?

Speaker 3 I love the extra day of golf.

Speaker 13 I am so pumped. That's not a thing.
Like,

Speaker 13 one of my biggest things now that I'm not playing and I'm just at media, I don't. For the most part, I don't really care who wins.

Speaker 13 I just care that they finish on time and that there's no playoff so that I I get to go.

Speaker 13 So sorry for being selfish on that, but a playoff would have been super epic and I would have just ended up flying home tomorrow.

Speaker 13 But yeah, I don't know. It would have been fun to have a playoff, especially with Bryson and Rory or like, you know, Liv versus PGA Tour battle.
Like now they're looking each other in the eye for.

Speaker 13 I don't even know what holes they would have been.

Speaker 13 I should know the answer to this because I was actually kind of freaking out figuring out what hole I would need to report to because I was like on one, but I was like, maybe it's 17.

Speaker 13 So I was like kind of walking around in circles like a dog trying to figure out where I was going. And then Bryson, of course, makes the butt.
So I was like, all right, I'm going home.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, I understand from your point of view, you want to get home. But that one, that year that we got it with Tiger and Rocco,

Speaker 3 I would put that day up there with any NCAA tournament, any day after the Super Bowl for like the least productive day of work across America. Like nobody did anything.

Speaker 3 We were just all watching golf, and it was awesome.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 13 Monday morning meeting, so there have been a lot of cancellations. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Smiley, safe flight.
Thanks again for doing this. This was awesome, man.
And we'll talk to you before the open.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's coach. I would say go tigers.

Speaker 1 Go tigers. All right.
Thanks, Smiley.

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Speaker 14 There it is. Michael.

Speaker 1 Hi. How are we doing?

Speaker 14 Hi.

Speaker 1 It's great to see your fucking face.

Speaker 14 Great to be with you. Great to be seen.
I'm just checking out all your different

Speaker 14 sponsorships you guys have whored yourself out to. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 We're Wayne's World.

Speaker 3 Would you like to sponsor us?

Speaker 14 Hey, don't roll your eyes, Hank. Fuck you, Hank.

Speaker 1 All right, here we go.

Speaker 14 You see, rolling your fucking eyes, Daniel.

Speaker 1 You were rolling my eyes.

Speaker 1 Why are you being so hot? I was not. rolling my eyes.
I was trying to kick your fucking ass.

Speaker 1 I wasn't even rolling my eyes.

Speaker 14 I saw you rolling your eyes, dude.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do it.

Speaker 8 All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 Leave that in. Three, three, two, one.

Speaker 1 All right, we welcome on our good, good friend. It is Mike Florio.
Off to a combative start. Off to a combative start.
We'll leave in right when he told Hank, don't roll your fucking eyes.

Speaker 1 Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk. Also, I'm going to say this right now to our AWLs.

Speaker 1 The takies are coming up. So I know you know this, Mike, but every year we give away takeies and award-winning listeners are up for the listeners of this show.
They've won it seven years in a row.

Speaker 1 They're going for an eight-peat.

Speaker 1 Here's how they could maybe get a little bit closer to getting their eighth AWL status. Mike has a book called Father of Mind.
It's on Amazon. It's a mob novel.
Everyone loves reading about the mob.

Speaker 1 There's a sequel coming out in September. Let's boost those book sales.
Go buy it right now on Amazon.

Speaker 1 Mike has always been.

Speaker 14 To be sentimental. Hank rolling his eyes again.
Come to Hank.

Speaker 1 No, I've read it.

Speaker 1 I've read it front to back back to you.

Speaker 1 To be sentimental for a second,

Speaker 1 Mike has done a lot for PFT and I in our careers

Speaker 1 and Hank. And so without Mike Florio in our lives, we probably wouldn't be all the way sitting here.
We'd probably still be sitting here. Yeah, you would be.
You would be.

Speaker 1 We're pretty incredible.

Speaker 3 You would have ceased and desisted desisted me. If you had ceased and desisted me in like year one, I don't know that it ever gets here.
So, domino effect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you kind of created part of my take.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, you are a big part of our lives. But we wanted Mike on because we are at the point of the calendar where teams are about to go on break until training camp.

Speaker 1 And we have been talking about basketball and baseball and hockey and golf. And we just want to talk some ball.

Speaker 1 We want to talk about football, the sport we love, because we know there's not going to be any football news for the next month or so until training camps open.

Speaker 1 So we wanted Mike on to talk a little ball. And Mike, I want to start with probably your favorite topic, and we'll have Memes make sure that his mic is on for this.

Speaker 1 Is there a problem in New York with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets?

Speaker 14 I don't think there's a problem, and I know that Memes had some issue with something that I said last week because I saw the tweet, and I had to send it to you, Big Cat, to get an interpretation, like most people of my generation do.

Speaker 14 Hey, son, what is this all about? I didn't get it. Here's the issue with Aaron Rodgers, and I think this is more about the Jets than Aaron Rodgers.
They fucked this up so bad last week.

Speaker 14 All they had to do was excuse his absence. That's all they had to do.

Speaker 14 And I think what happened was some lawyer on the payroll for the Jets said, well, if we don't find him, then that will become a precedent that gets used against us if other players miss mandatory minicamp and and we won't be able to enforce the fines against them.

Speaker 14 There's a point where you have to tell the lawyers

Speaker 14 shit down and shut up or sit down and shut up as the case may be because they just should have excused it. And I think the Jets would say it still would have been a big story.

Speaker 14 Think about the difference between the story if Robert Sala says last Tuesday

Speaker 14 Aaron Rodgers isn't here and it's an unexcused absence versus Aaron Rodgers isn't here and it's excused and we've known about it and it's no big deal.

Speaker 14 I think that it's 10% of the story that it was last week at most if they just would have excused the absence. So I put this on them.
They've known. Now, look,

Speaker 14 he's known for 20 years when mandatory minicamp typically is middle of June. So whatever ayahuasca retreat he's on, he should have tried to schedule it around this.

Speaker 14 But once they knew that he wasn't going to be there, they needed to handle it differently, and they made it into a bigger thing than it needed to be. And that's my take on it.
Okay, so no problem.

Speaker 3 So there's not a problem. It sounds like Salah, according to your theory, they knew this was going to happen, and then Salah was like, we have to say it's unexcused, and the fine is like minimal.

Speaker 3 What is it, like a couple grand or something like that? 50 grand total.

Speaker 14 50 grand total for the two days he missed. Oh, 50 grand.

Speaker 3 I guess that's a little bit more than I thought that it was, but they could adjust.

Speaker 14 He's making 35 million a year.

Speaker 3 50 grand is nothing. But I saw your report that now the Jets are entering phase me in their offseason.
There's phase one, phase two, phase three, and then there's phase me.

Speaker 3 So what is phase me,

Speaker 3 and does Aaron Rodgers missing mandatory minicamp delay his start of Phase Me?

Speaker 14 Well, and that's what was funny about the press conferences last week, both of them with Sala, because we've been led to believe the New York media is this rough and tumble bunch that asks a series of tough questions and takes no prisoners.

Speaker 14 And they tiptoe on eggshells around Aaron Rodgers. And when Sala was questioned twice last week, Number one, they never asked him, where is Aaron if he's not here? Where is he? Just, where is he?

Speaker 14 Two press conferences, back-to-back days. He was never asked that question.

Speaker 14 And on Wednesday, he went from explaining his view on this period of time from the end of the offseason program to the start of training camp. And he calls it phase me.

Speaker 14 What do you do when you're left to your own devices?

Speaker 14 What do you do when you could either be going to the beach and drinking all day or going to the gym and properly hydrating and being ready to go when training camp starts?

Speaker 14 And when you think about it, and this is the issue that I have with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 14 When he made that speech in January about what this season needs to be about, it needs to be about winning, not some of the time, not most of the time, all of the time.

Speaker 14 And any bullshit unrelated to winning needs to be out of the building. He hasn't lived that.
And I know he'll make whatever excuse he needs to make.

Speaker 14 But dude, beyond missing the two days of mandatory minicamp, which are the centerpiece of the offseason program, it would be helpful if the guy who's the leader of the team is there.

Speaker 14 as they're being sent off for 40 days of, we hope you don't fuck everything up by getting out of shape, getting arrested, having this happen, having, we want you to be focused on football and ready to go when we come back.

Speaker 14 It's one thing to have the coach say it. It's another thing to have Aaron Rodgers say it.

Speaker 14 And that was the missed opportunity more than anything else last week, that he wasn't there to send that message to his teammates. And there'll never be a bright line.

Speaker 14 Whatever they do this year, there'll never be a bright line back to that. But still.
Having him there, the way he's tried to take over that team and the way that they worship him.

Speaker 14 What a message if he stands up in the last meeting and says, guys,

Speaker 14 this is about winning, and the next 40 days lays the foundation for everything we're going to do the rest of the year. Let's do it right.
Let's think about each other. Let's not think about ourselves.

Speaker 14 And for him to not even be there, you know, good luck getting that message across to 90 guys.

Speaker 1 Okay, that, I mean, I like that answer. Memes, do you feel okay with that answer? That Aaron Rodgers is selfish, phase me started a little early for him, and there's a problem in New York.

Speaker 1 Do you feel okay with this, memes?

Speaker 1 I felt okay with everything up until Aaron Rodgers needed to do a rah-rah speech to get 90 guys going. Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 Imagine the power of that speech, though, memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would have been incredible.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, they're adult professional athletes.

Speaker 1 They're fine. Okay, so memes, last part of this questioning, is Florio still the number one Florio? Because you had it last week.

Speaker 1 Your rankings were the top three Florios in media right now: Mike Florio, number one, Matt Miller, number two, Diana Rossini, number three. Does Florio keep his crown? I think Diana moved up.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Diana's the number one Florio.

Speaker 1 She's number one. What'd she do?

Speaker 1 She was tweeting about Aaron Rodgers a lot last week. Okay.

Speaker 3 Mike, how do you feel about that no longer being the number one Florio?

Speaker 14 I'll work extra hard. I'll spend all of Phase Me devoted to reclaiming my...
crown by the time training camp starts.

Speaker 3 I love the idea of Phase Me. Anytime Hank takes a vacation, he's just going to rebrand it.

Speaker 3 I'm on phase me right now. I'm working on that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so it has been, it's been kind of a weird story. You mentioned, maybe you haven't thought about this angle of it, though.
Aaron said he wants all the bullshit out of the building.

Speaker 3 Aaron Rodgers isn't in the building right now. Maybe

Speaker 3 he's living his message.

Speaker 14 Well, and that is...

Speaker 14 Intessential Aaron Rodgers. It's the kind of word games he played when he said, yeah, I've been immunized back in 2021, not to go down that rabbit hole.

Speaker 14 But he said, and when he was pressed about it back in the OTAs when he was available to the media, they said,

Speaker 14 how does this mesh with your message from January? And he said, we're not in the building yet.

Speaker 14 We're not in the season yet, which is very hypocritical, which tells me he's absolutely ready to enter politics. I think it's inevitable that he's going to get into politics.

Speaker 14 And he's already perfected the art of saying one thing and doing the exact opposite and not even flinching because he did that whole rant about no bullshit in the building.

Speaker 14 And now he's already able to do whatever he wants to do and act like it doesn't apply to him. And I think that's the biggest problem I have with it because he wagged a finger at all of his teammates.

Speaker 14 And what's it been with him this offseason? Memes. It's been one fucking distraction after another.
He's going to run for VP. And this is the story that I think the New York media whiffed on.

Speaker 14 This guy was thinking about

Speaker 14 quitting on the Jets, ghosting the Jets.

Speaker 14 running for vice president of the United States. He was considering that.
That's what the implication would have been. He would have said, see you later.

Speaker 14 Have fun with Tyrod Taylor or Zach Wilson if they hadn't traded him. I'm out.
He at least considered that.

Speaker 14 And I think it just makes it harder to stomach what he said back in January, the way he's conducted himself the last four months.

Speaker 1 This is why Mike is the best, because memes just put Diana Rossini at number one Florio. I'm already working on him.
He literally just got right back to work.

Speaker 3 I think you're number one again.

Speaker 1 I don't really like how you talk about Aaron Rodgers. I'm a converted Aaron Rodgers fan now that he's out of my life and I'm rooting for him to have nothing but happiness with the Jets and memes.

Speaker 1 All right, so topic two: I had.

Speaker 1 Someone in this room was at Tom Brady's retirement. It was an incredible night, as he reported.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 what's it like right now in New England with the way that Robert Kraft has

Speaker 1 contorted himself? No, how do you say?

Speaker 1 Comported himself in the last year or so with how he dealt with Belichick, the documentary.

Speaker 1 What's going on in New England, Mike? Wind horse meme.

Speaker 14 That documentary was strange, especially because if you watch those episodes, at the very end, the message that came up on the screen, and I can't remember it exactly, but it was craft fingerprints all over this thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And they had an explanation for it, and that's our story, and we're sticking to it.

Speaker 14 It was just kind of a strange thing, but the overwhelming sense was this documentary on Apple TV Plus was just a way to set the record straight or spin the narrative a different way.

Speaker 14 And Chris Sims made a great point last week when we were talking about

Speaker 1 Tom Brady.

Speaker 14 Okay, you said that, not me. I love Chris.

Speaker 1 I love Chris.

Speaker 14 Chris makes a lot of great points.

Speaker 1 I like Chris as well.

Speaker 14 I'm giving him a hope. His point was,

Speaker 14 yeah, because Brady got up and said about Belichick, it wasn't me, it wasn't you, it was us. Well, okay, fine.
If you're going to do this whole shebang for Brady, when does Belichick get his?

Speaker 14 They need to do the exact same thing for him if it's equal. If Tom's right, they need to do the exact same thing for Belichick at some point that they did for Brady.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank, you feel okay about it? I agree with that. Yeah? Bring Bill back.
Wow. Build him a statue.

Speaker 1 Mark this down.

Speaker 14 Time stamp.

Speaker 1 All right, we're good. All right, you have any beef with Florio right now? No.
Rare in the beef.

Speaker 8 I had no beef with Florio. Okay.
I love Mike. I always have.

Speaker 3 Last time it was a little dicey. It was a whole fan fiction thing.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, but that's.

Speaker 14 You guys really love to stir shit.

Speaker 3 Well, I just want to make sure the air is clear here.

Speaker 1 You love, you know exactly. I just want to make sure.

Speaker 3 I'll toss you a softball. Here's a softball question for you, Mike.
Why was Malcolm Butler benched during the Super Bowl?

Speaker 14 Hell, I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 14 I really don't know, but it sounds like, as it was said during the

Speaker 14 Apple TV Plus documentary, it was something personal unrelated to football. I remember sitting in the press box, and we had all the PFT writers in a row.
And

Speaker 14 Michael David Smith said, Why is Malcolm Butler not in the game? I mean, I'll never forget that. It was so freaking weird.

Speaker 14 And when you consider that it was a shootout, at some point, you just say, Go. You can't do any worse than the guys we have out there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Go.

Speaker 14 Get out on the field and try to at least stop them once so we can outscore them. The whole thing was weird.
And who knows if we'll ever get the truth.

Speaker 14 Maybe Belichick, he's writing a book, although I don't think it's a book about his time in New England. I think it's just like a football book.

Speaker 14 But maybe at some point, Belichick will tell everybody what he was thinking when he did that.

Speaker 3 So, there's something else that you're working on, and you tweeted out, you alleged you kind of danced around a little bit, but I'd like you to expand on it, if you could.

Speaker 3 Your tweet was: there's a small army of reporters who cover the NFL on a constant basis.

Speaker 3 Meanwhile, hardly anyone is paying attention to a lawsuit against the NFL that could cost the league billions and revolutionize the way games are made available to fans. What does that mean?

Speaker 3 And are you threatening to take football off TV?

Speaker 14 No, no. I mean, I'm trying.
Look, hey,

Speaker 14 I'm one of the only ones that is out there looking for any bits and pieces I can get about this massive Sunday ticket trial from a case that was filed nine years ago.

Speaker 14 The judge originally threw the case out. They appealed it.
The case got reinstated. It's been hanging around and hanging around.
And it finally started trial on June the 5th.

Speaker 14 And I'm trying to shine the light on what this could be.

Speaker 14 And I'm trying to get people to at least be somewhat optimistic that at the end of the day, Sunday ticket could be a lot cheaper than it's been.

Speaker 14 And, you know, from the moment I first became aware of Sunday Ticket, I thought there was something weird about this. Why can't we just buy the teams we want?

Speaker 14 You're in Pittsburgh and you're a Bears fan. You just want the Bears games.
Why do I have to spend $400 or whatever the price is any given year to buy the whole fucking package?

Speaker 14 Why can't I just get the games I want? Why can't I just get the weekends I want? If I'm a Bears fan in Pittsburgh and the Bears are on Monday Night Football, I don't need that weekend.

Speaker 14 I don't want that weekend. There's no flexibility.
And it's always felt weird to me. And the NFL has always just kind of pressed forward and made as much money as they could from it.

Speaker 14 But this case is about what the NFL allegedly has done to protect the deals with CBS and Fox. And without getting too deep into the weeds, it's as simple as this.

Speaker 14 They required, allegedly, but I think the evidence has proved this, they've required DirecTV to charge a certain price so people don't get it and they just watch whatever CBS or Fox has to offer.

Speaker 14 So if you drop it and ESPN, according to evidence that was introduced last week, wanted to charge $70 for the whole season and give you a team-by-team option.

Speaker 14 Apple TV Plus, I saw this reporting back when they were negotiating the current deal with YouTube.

Speaker 14 Apple TV Plus just wanted to include it in whatever it costs now per month to have Apple TV Plus, like $6.99 a month or whatever. They just wanted to give it to you as part of the base package.

Speaker 14 So the NFL, allegedly, but the evidence is proving this out, wanted to keep it at a certain number.

Speaker 14 They call it a premium product because they want to protect and preserve the CBS and Fox relationship so they can get a shitload of money from CBS and Fox and a shitload of money from whoever has Sunday ticket.

Speaker 14 And they've done it for 30 years. And the chickens have come home to roost, and this all might blow up in their faces.
And they're looking at supposedly $7 billion in damages for what we all paid.

Speaker 14 And it's a nationwide class action. It's what we all paid versus what we all should have been paying all along, at least during whatever window this covers, and it's 10, 11, 12 years.

Speaker 14 And under the antitrust laws, $7 billion gets tripled. So worst case scenario for the NFL is $21 billion.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 as a practical matter, they're going to have to revolutionize the way they make the games available. So if you want to watch the Commanders in Chicago, you can do it one week at a time.

Speaker 14 You can do it one team at a time. You don't have to buy the whole damn thing.
So this is good for fans. And I'm sure the NFL is pissed that I've been covering it the way I have.
Of course.

Speaker 14 But this is something fans should be happy about because if the NFL loses, and I've said this, we should be rooting for the NFL to lose this because it will make it easier for all the fans to have cheaper choices and broader selections to watch out-of-market games on Sundays.

Speaker 14 I like that.

Speaker 1 And if they lose, if they have to pay $21 billion, is there a chance maybe we get a second Super Bowl?

Speaker 14 I don't think.

Speaker 14 I don't think it's going to be $21 billion. That's just the absolute worst case scenario.
But keep this in mind.

Speaker 14 They will appeal it and they will appeal it and they will take it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Speaker 14 And I don't want it to get into the political realm here, but the way the court is currently constituted, they'd probably be confident at the end of the day they'll win. Wow.

Speaker 14 And so they'll just bide their time and play it out. And it may take five, six, seven more years, but I think they're confident if it eventually gets to the Supreme Court, they'll win.

Speaker 3 Goodell flies Clarence Thomas out to Caton, Ohio,

Speaker 1 puts him in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like this. Yeah, this could be good.

Speaker 3 It could be good for sports. Or instead of the second Super Bowl, they could do Richard Mendenhall's idea and they could do the Race Bowl and have that played before the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 I think that would be good.

Speaker 14 All I know is Samuel Alito is going to be flying an NFL flag upside down. I like that.

Speaker 1 Okay, next question. Trevor Lawrence just signed a massive new deal, which, okay,

Speaker 1 I think he was injured last year. I think he's a good quarterback.
It makes sense. You have to do it if you're the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 But like all of these new deals for quarterbacks, the question just immediately becomes: who's next and what's the price? And I would assume Dak is on that list. Brock Purdy might be on that list.

Speaker 1 Tua. Tua.
So

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams, I'm ready to give him his long-term deal right now. So who is next and what are the prices going to look like?

Speaker 14 You mentioned Purdy, and one of the things I hope doesn't happen this year when we're watching 49ers games, I hope there aren't these graphics that are playing up the idea that Purdy is the cheapest starting quarterback in the NFL because the 49ers can't do anything about it.

Speaker 14 By rule, if you're drafted, undrafted, it's two years. If you're drafted, it's three years.
You've got to wait three years before you're even eligible to have a second contract.

Speaker 14 So that applies to Caleb Williams, applies to Brock Purdy. And that's the time that we've said in the past with other guys, the Texans now with C.J.
Stroud.

Speaker 14 You've got two more years before he's even eligible for another contract.

Speaker 14 Spend on Stephon Diggs, Daniil Hunter, and Joe Mixon because you can't pay the guy who's the most important player on your team for two more seasons.

Speaker 14 So Purdy gets set aside in a different category, and he's got to to wait at least a year and then we'll see what the 49ers do next year. Dak, I think, goes into a different category as well.

Speaker 14 I wrote this yesterday. Dak's leverage doesn't come from whatever the market is.

Speaker 14 Dak's leverage comes from his contract and the cap number this year of 55.4 million and the cap charge next year of 54.5 million if he leaves.

Speaker 14 They need to redo his deal and engineer these cap charges or they're looking at 110 million over the next two years that's going to be in Dak Prescott's name because most of these contracts, they give you a lot of money early and they kick the can down the road.

Speaker 14 And at some point, you've got to deal with a giant freaking cap charge. And that's where the Cowboys are.

Speaker 14 And that's where Dak's leverage is because he can just sit back and say, like one of my old-time favorite movies, Goodfellows, oh, you had a fire, fuck you, pay me. Oh, business is bad.

Speaker 14 Fuck you, pay me. He can just sit back and say, fuck you, pay me.
And that's where his leverage comes from. And the Cowboys know it.
And it's keeping them from getting CD Lamp signed.

Speaker 14 And it's keeping them from even thinking about Michael Parsons. They're in a mess.
And it's all because of Dak's contract.

Speaker 14 And it's all because they waited too long to do his contract after he was eligible. After his third year, they made him play under his fourth year of his rookie deal.

Speaker 14 They franchise tagged him a year, and then they finally realized we got a problem here. And now they've got an even bigger problem.
So he's separate as well.

Speaker 14 The deeper question that you raised, though, As it relates to Trevor Lawrence, I said this about him, and I said this about Jared Goff, and I've said this about others in the past.

Speaker 14 Who are these teams bidding against when they make these gigantic market level offers?

Speaker 14 Who else is going to take this guy away from you and pay that much money? And maybe that would happen.

Speaker 14 Maybe if the Lions had said, hey, Jared, we're going to let you become a free agent and you can see what else is out there or not out there. You know, with Trevor, it's different.

Speaker 14 He had two years left, but that's the real thing with Tua and the Dolphins. Because I think Tua wants to get something that starts with a five, not a four.

Speaker 14 And I don't think the Dolphins want to pay something that starts with a five. And you have to wonder: will they just say, Tua,

Speaker 14 go ahead.

Speaker 14 Because ask yourself that question. If Tua is available to anyone who wants him, what are they going to pay him?

Speaker 14 What's he going to get on the open market? And I feel like one of these days, one of these teams is going to draw that line in the sand. The Vikings kind of did it with Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 14 They dared him to go get better than whatever they were willing to pay, and he did.

Speaker 14 And I can see the Dolphins doing that with Tua, unless Tua comes down from wanting to be in this upper echelon of NFL quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 I had one other question about the contracts. Is Patrick Mahomes' contract like all of a sudden the best contract that's ever been signed for a team?

Speaker 14 Oh, absolutely. 12 years.

Speaker 14 And what they did last year, what they did last year, when Joe Burrow got his contract, they moved some of the money around so the cash flow for two or three years for Mahomes would be just a little better than Burroughs.

Speaker 14 And they're going to have to do that again. And they're going to have to do it again.
And when you sign a 12-year contract,

Speaker 14 you're hoping that the team will do that as needed. They could fold their arms and say, too bad, you're under contract.

Speaker 14 The guy that I think should be making an issue here, and I mentioned this to Brandon Bean at the scouting combine, and I think he wasn't happy that I mentioned it, Josh Allen is getting screwed.

Speaker 14 Because Josh Allen doesn't have any devices in his contract that would force them to pay him more. He's at 45 as well.
I mean, the two best quarterbacks in the NFL are at 45 million per year.

Speaker 14 And now we've got guys at 55 million per year. At some point, Josh Allen needs to be saying to the Bills, we got to do something about this because

Speaker 14 all due respect to Trevor Lawrence, he's not Josh Allen. And if other guys get close to that, it just becomes more skewed and more work.
But that's what happens all the time.

Speaker 14 That's why I've been arguing for years that somebody needs to get. a contract at the quarterback position that pays him a percentage of the salary cap.

Speaker 14 So as the cap goes up, his number goes up, and you never get in this spot where you feel like the guy's getting screwed.

Speaker 14 He's always getting a specific 18%, 17.5675, however they would negotiate it, but it's the same percentage of the total cap every year.

Speaker 14 And then you feel like the guy's being treated fairly and his contract will increase as the market goes.

Speaker 3 That also sounds like a lot of math. That would be tough.
If I was a GM, I'd be like, I have to do too much math for that contract. Can I just give me a number and I'll pay that?

Speaker 3 But to Big Cat's point,

Speaker 3 everybody says

Speaker 3 you have to pay these guys. So like when it's Trevor Lawrence, yeah, you kind of have to pay him because you're afraid of just not having Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 3 You're afraid of what the open market looks like. You're afraid of being single again out there.

Speaker 3 And so, it's like, I'd rather take Trevor Lawrence and just kind of, I know that I have to take my medicine on his contract than to have to start all over again because I feel like the fan base would get pretty frustrated if that were the case.

Speaker 14 There's three types of teams in the NFL: teams that have franchise quarterbacks, teams that don't, and teams that have a guy that they're not sure sure yet whether or not he's going to be one.

Speaker 14 And the Jaguars are betting that Lawrence is going to be one. And when he becomes one, they've got a damn good contract.
That's what that 55 is.

Speaker 14 Because one of the things I've been preaching all offseason, it's amazing how many teams don't pay attention to this. The longer you wait, the more expensive it gets.

Speaker 14 The Vikings waited too long with Justin Jefferson, and it got a lot more expensive. The Cowboys are waiting with Dak and CeeDee Lamb and Michael Parsons, and it's only getting more expensive.

Speaker 14 It never gets cheaper unless the guy literally gets hit by a bus or wakes up one day and can't play anymore. That's the only way it gets cheaper.

Speaker 14 Teams, I don't think, are smart to bet on the guy all of a sudden falling apart. You bet on him being good, and the earlier you make that bet, the better off you're going to be.

Speaker 14 That's what was brilliant about what the Jaguars did.

Speaker 14 Because if they had waited around for Dak to get his or Tua to get his or the next guy after that to get his, Jordan Love is the one we haven't talked about.

Speaker 14 Jordan Love is going to get paid based on half a season, but he's going to get paid. You wait as other guys get their deals done.
It only makes the price higher.

Speaker 14 I think they could have gotten Trevor Lawrence for less if they'd have done it before Jared Goff got 53. Yeah.
So it was smart for the Jaguars to realize: hey, this is our guy.

Speaker 14 We're willing to go all in with him. Let's just stop the bleeding because it's only going to get more expensive.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I actually think that there are four kinds of quarterbacks. There's the guy, that's number one.
There's our guy, that's number two. And then there's, is he the guy? That's three.

Speaker 3 And then not the guy, that's four. And I would rather be in situation one, two, or four than is he the guy.

Speaker 14 I think you're right. I think you're right.
Now, the Dolphins are kind of in two

Speaker 14 or three. And that's the problem.
When you have a large chunk of the fan base that are card-carrying members of Tuanon,

Speaker 14 they want Tua to get. a market level contract.
And I know that Tua's people are making comps statistically between Tua and the other guys who have the top contracts.

Speaker 14 So there's a belief there that he deserves that. Then you got other people in the Dolphins fan base who are like, wait a minute, we can find 20 guys to do what this guy does.

Speaker 14 Now, I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but he's very polarizing. And to your point, you just have to be right.

Speaker 14 And once you know he's your guy, maybe he's not the guy, but if he's the best you're going to do, that's when you need to get that deal done. Because

Speaker 14 whatever he becomes, if he keeps playing well, it's going to keep getting more expensive. And I don't understand that.

Speaker 14 I don't know why tiers haven't developed where you have the best of the best, you have the middle, and you have, but it's all, we've seen this in recent years. Okay, hey, I'm

Speaker 14 good enough, and I'm eligible for a new contract, so I want to be the highest paid player in NFL history.

Speaker 14 And I'd like to think teams are going to push back a little more on that, but so far, most of them have.

Speaker 1 You mentioned doing a contract that was proportional to the

Speaker 1 salary cap and then changing it year over year. Do you think a team would ever, maybe the Dolphins with Tua, would do almost like flash pricing where it's like, all right, here's our schedule.

Speaker 1 We're going to pay you

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow money for all games we think are going to be above 80 degrees. And then any game we think that's going to be below 40 degrees, you get Gardner Minshew money.

Speaker 14 Yeah, there was a Coke machine at one point. Sorry, I know you got the Pepsi cans on there.
Maybe we can do it. Yeah, we're Pepsi.

Speaker 1 It was was Pepsi.

Speaker 14 And I'm Pepsi too. I've had Pepsi stock for 25 years, and I'm Pepsi and only Pepsi.
Hashtag Team Pepsi. Of course, you're Pepsi stock.

Speaker 14 There was a soda machine that the price went up and down based upon how hot it was. Yeah.
There's something to that.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I think this might be the new. I think the Dolphins should sit them down and be like, look, they scheduled this in New England and Buffalo in December.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to take a pay cut that year.

Speaker 14 I'll say this. Five years ago, the Rams were on the verge of making Jared Goff one of the highest paid players in football.
And I was saying very loudly and very clearly, why are you doing that?

Speaker 14 Sean McVay is the guy running the offense. Goff had chances in Super Bowl 53 against the Patriots.

Speaker 14 You know, he had Brandon Cooks wide open on the exact same play, once in the first half, and he threw it to, I don't know if it was Alan Robinson or someone else instead.

Speaker 14 It wasn't Alan Robinson, it was Robert Woods running across underneath. Cooks was open, and Goff missed him.
They did the same play in the second half. Cooks was wide open.

Speaker 14 Goff saw him too late, threw it late. Jason McCordy ran over and broke it up.
If you make that throw, maybe the Rams win that game. And my point was:

Speaker 14 why are you going to be in a position where you're held hostage by this guy as your quarterback and pay him all that money when you could find somebody else?

Speaker 14 And the Rams were kind of hostile about it and they were stubborn about it and they paid him all that money. And then two seasons later, what did they do?

Speaker 14 They gave up an extra first-round pick in the Matthew Stafford trade to get Goff off their books. And look, I think Jared Goff has done very well with the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 Also, our friend.

Speaker 3 He beat Matt Safford.

Speaker 1 He beat Matt Safferty, won that trade.

Speaker 14 I think that the best thing that ever happened to him was the Rams kind of throwing him out the front door because it pushed him to a higher level of achievement. But that's the broader point.

Speaker 14 As I said earlier, who are you bidding against? What are your alternatives? And at some point, you just need to have confidence.

Speaker 14 And I think that's what the Vikings were doing this year with Kirk Cousins. I really, I don't know this, but I don't think they really wanted him to come back.

Speaker 14 I think they made an offer that wasn't so low, it was insulting.

Speaker 14 And they said, Hey, go ahead, see, see what's out there and cross your fingers and hope that somebody else pays him enough that he leaves so they could reset.

Speaker 14 Because if you keep him, how long is he going to be there anyway? They reset with JJ McCarthy and they see what happens.

Speaker 14 And you have a great play caller, a great play designer in Kevin O'Connell, a great quarterback whisperer. Maybe McCarthy becomes the guy they haven't had really since Fran Tarkin.

Speaker 14 And so you have to have the willingness.

Speaker 14 And I think to your point, son, internet son, when you're you're in category two, but you're really kind of in category three, you got to be willing to slip into category three and say, this isn't our guy, and we're going to go all the way to category four and move on.

Speaker 3 No, but what usually happens, you're in category three. Is he the guy, territory? And then you say, he, yeah, you know, he's our guy.
So you like will him into category two.

Speaker 1 But if you go from three to two,

Speaker 14 willing to say, fuck it, he's in category four.

Speaker 1 If you go back and forth from three to two, you should be in four. Yes.
Justin Fields, Mitch Trubisky. Yes.
If you have that.

Speaker 1 You spend the whole time going back and forth between between three and two.

Speaker 3 Me and Big Cat are experts on guyism. We're guy sexual and we've been through this song and dance before.
We know what it is.

Speaker 3 Now with Kirk Cousins, him going to Atlanta, Atlanta just got slapped with maybe just the most moderate tampering penalty of all time, considering how long this investigation took.

Speaker 3 What happened with Kirk Cousins and Atlanta? Were they talking before the window? Were they talking numbers during the window? Were they not allowed to be talking?

Speaker 3 I don't understand how there was this big tampering investigation and then they're like, you know what? Wasn't that bad?

Speaker 14 There's two important background points. Number one, tampering happens all the time.
The only people that get in trouble are the ones who are stupid enough to get caught. Everyone tampers.

Speaker 14 When you go to the scouting combine every year, it's open season. The teams are there.
The agents are there.

Speaker 14 There's no digital trail on anyone's phone because everyone's meeting with each other face to face and you can talk openly and freely.

Speaker 14 And when you leave Indianapolis, the teams and the agents have an idea of who's going to be pursuing the top three agents. So the tampering happens.

Speaker 14 And the other side of it is Rich McKay, who's got an executive level job at the Falcons. He kind of got pushed out but up into a higher position during this most recent turnover of the coaching staff.

Speaker 14 He's very influential in league circles. He's the chair of the competition committee.
He's tight with Roger Goodell. They had a fake crowd noise thing eight or nine years ago that they only got hit.

Speaker 14 with a fifth round pick, $350,000 fine, but that's a parking ticket for a multi-billion dollar business. A fifth round pick, that's the currency that gets the team's attention.

Speaker 14 That's all they lost for deliberately pumping in fake crowd noise and getting caught doing it. So that's the background of this.

Speaker 14 I think what happened here was, and this is just my, you can call it fan fiction if you want, really don't care.

Speaker 14 I've had enough to drink tonight that I really am not going to get dragged down by that. But I think after following this carefully,

Speaker 14 they pigeonholed it into, well, okay, these three guys that the Falcons talked to, it was after they reached agreement and it dealt with travel arrangements and other logistics. I just don't buy that.

Speaker 14 I think that they were talking to these guys during that negotiating window when they weren't allowed to.

Speaker 14 Kirk Cousins admitted four different ways they had tampered with him during his introductory press conference right after he signed his contract.

Speaker 14 And even before Kirk Cousins blurted out all the different ways they had tampered with him, I was suspicious about the Falcons getting to the point where they're comfortable guaranteeing $100 million to a guy that all we saw was him on a tennis court or on a football.

Speaker 14 How do you get to the point where you're willing to commit

Speaker 14 nine figures to a 35-year-old quarterback who blew out an Achilles, and all you have by way of evidence to feel good about it is what you saw on a basketball court a few weeks before.

Speaker 14 And anything they would have done to get more information about his health before they made that commitment was tampering, necessarily and positively. Because I was sniffing around all that.

Speaker 14 before this happened because it's like something's not right here. They're talking to somebody they shouldn't be talking to.
they're getting information they shouldn't be getting.

Speaker 14 And here's why it's important:

Speaker 14 Cousins had to make a decision because the Vikings were going to move on to Sam Darnold. So, Cousins needs to know: Falcons, are you with me? Are you paying me?

Speaker 14 Because otherwise, I'm taking this offer in Minnesota. That's what makes it troubling if the Vikings really wanted him.
He needed to make a decision.

Speaker 14 The Vikings needed to know so they could pivot to another guy if they wanted to. And

Speaker 14 I think that if the Falcons didn't tamper even before the window opened and didn't get the information they needed about his health they're just stupid yeah how would you commit a hundred million dollars to a guy and not know well anything about his health well they drafted michael pennix after signing him to that so they could be stupid that that's entirely it's that's an excellent point it is entirely possible that they are just stupid yeah or they think they have the greatest uh medical staff in the world where they're like we'll take kirk cousins with an achilles and then michael pennix with every leg injury ever

Speaker 3 Yeah, or maybe they drafted Pennix just to get his ligaments for Kirk. Oh.

Speaker 14 How long do you guys think that Cousins will be with Atlanta?

Speaker 3 What's your over-on-two years? Two years sounds about right to me because that's when the guaranteed money runs out, right?

Speaker 3 And then you have a first-round pick, and eventually you're going to want to see what that guy can do.

Speaker 1 And I feel like it's like maybe

Speaker 1 wins the NFC South this year, goes to a playoff game,

Speaker 1 then next year, maybe like a slow start, and then that's it.

Speaker 14 Here's the key, though. Next year, his

Speaker 14 compensation is only $27 million.

Speaker 14 So you could trade him. I know he's got a no-trade clause, but if you want to move on to Michael Pennix Jr.
into the

Speaker 14 wants to make him the starter, he'll wave his trade clause.

Speaker 14 People get so caught up by the no trade clause. Hey, what's my choice? I'm going to get dicked around here in Atlanta or I'm going to go somewhere else where they want me and the money's the same.

Speaker 14 I'll go there, wherever it is, Miami. I mean, that's back to Tua.
I'm not going to pay Tua 55 if maybe next year I can get cousins for 27 and he can come in and run this offense to perfection.

Speaker 14 Mike McDaniel was a Kyle Shanahan protege. Shanahan has wanted Cousins for years, really.

Speaker 14 Ever since they split ways in Washington, Shanahan's been plotting this path to get back to Kirk Cousins until he got Brock Purdy. So there could be the Dolphins.

Speaker 14 There could be other teams that want Cousins next year. I think it could be as short as one year with Cousins in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 I mean, it'd be very interesting if Kirk's not good to go for the start of the season and they put Pennix in there and Pennix is really, really good, and then you've just got Kirk Cousins on your bench for $100 million guaranteed.

Speaker 3 That's kind of what I'm rooting for. I think that'd be very funny to see.
There's some other rookie quarterbacks out there.

Speaker 3 Three people in this room drafted a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 3 So, can you give us your initial power rankings of the top three quarterbacks taken in the draft?

Speaker 14 I love Caleb Williams.

Speaker 14 I think he

Speaker 14 spent time with him at the Scouting Combine, and I was just blown away. You know, when a kid that young just gets it, it oozes out of everything about him.

Speaker 14 We loved talking to him. We loved it.
And I was trying to get him to get it.

Speaker 1 I loved it. You loved it.

Speaker 14 I was trying to get him to

Speaker 14 say he won't play for the Bears and he only wants to play for the Vikings. I really tried my heart just to get him to do that.
Never. And Jaden Daniels, hey, hey, son,

Speaker 14 when we,

Speaker 14 I don't know how many guys we interviewed at the Combine, defensive players from the SEC, we tried to ask most of them, as long as we could remember, who's the toughest guy you faced in college.

Speaker 14 And all those guys said Jaden Daniels to a man. It was Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 14 Because he's there. And then he's gone.
Yeah. And he could be more talented at the end of the day than Caleb Williams.
They could both end up being great.

Speaker 14 The difference between this year and 2021, where you had Trevor Lawrence and five guys who've been traded for day three picks in three years, which is just amazing, these guys are ready to go.

Speaker 14 Now,

Speaker 14 Drake May, I think, may take some time.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 14 there's a chance we could go four out of five. Whoa.

Speaker 14 These guys end up being good quarterbacks by the time it's all said and done. Who do you think? Who picked up for three years ago when it was one out of five?

Speaker 3 Who's the odd man out?

Speaker 14 There's six. There's six.
I forgot there was six. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So just go ahead and go down that list. Who's the odd man out?

Speaker 1 Oh, Nicks.

Speaker 14 I wonder what's going to happen with Nicks. And I wonder, because we're getting weird signals from Sean Payton about whether it's going to be him or Jared Stidham or maybe even Zach Wilson.

Speaker 14 And I don't know if this is just make the kid earn it, but,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 14 people are wondering how much of what happened last year was Russell Wilson. How much is it Sean Payton? Is the game passing him by? He's dealing dealing with a lot of that.

Speaker 1 He got LASIK, though.

Speaker 3 Did he get LASIK after he drafted?

Speaker 3 So, did he have the cataracts when he was evaluating Bo Nicks?

Speaker 14 I don't know. I don't know.
That's a great question.

Speaker 14 I look at it the other way. If I was one of these guys, I would want to be in Minnesota because look at what Kevin O'Connell did last year.

Speaker 1 Wait, what team do you root for?

Speaker 14 That's fine.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. I'm capable of being objective.
Okay. I'm capable of being objective.
So am I. I'm not, but I don't do it, but I am.

Speaker 14 Let's compare and contrast. Okay.
If Caleb Williams comes in and kicks ass and is great. Yes.
And has 4,500 passing yards this year and the Bears go to the playoffs.

Speaker 14 Shane Waldron's gone next year.

Speaker 5 Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 14 And you got to go get a new offensive coordinator and hope it works the following year. Same thing in Washington.

Speaker 1 Come on. Who cares? You've seen that time and again.
But you're being mean right now. You're being mean.
It feels like you're being very mean.

Speaker 1 No, you're being

Speaker 1 aware because you're like, oh,

Speaker 3 BitCamp PFT have never had a bad thing.

Speaker 1 Look at what he did with Josh Dobbs. You should not be happy, even though you've had like two days.

Speaker 14 Collins had a 400-yard passing game last year.

Speaker 1 And turned over like seven times.

Speaker 14 That's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, then what happened with the ball? Okay, so I understand what you're saying, but what if Caleb Williams is so good that Matt Eberflus gets another job?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 that would be crazy.

Speaker 14 Really? What I would hope for if I were you, and I feel bad saying this, because Matt Eberflus has a completely different demeanor.

Speaker 14 It's amazing how a guy changes when the best guy in the draft falls into your lap because the Panthers made a shitty trade last year and gave you that pick. But Eberflus, like, he's got the goatee.

Speaker 1 He's got the hair. No, he got funked up.

Speaker 14 He got funked up.

Speaker 14 He's the man now. Yeah.

Speaker 14 I'd almost want, if I were you, at some level, I'd be hoping that it struggles just enough so

Speaker 14 the Bears could hire somebody who is

Speaker 14 an offensive guru, and you attach him to Caleb Williams' hip for 10 years. Look at what happened with Drew Brees and Sean Payton.

Speaker 14 That's what you want. You want continuity, you want consistency.
Look at the Texans. Bobby Sloek is going to be gone sooner than later.
And C.J.

Speaker 14 Stroud's going to have to figure it out with a new coordinator. And that's a big deal.
Guy brings in a new playbook. He's got new calls.
He's got new attitudes. He's got a new approach.

Speaker 14 How much of that's going to adapt to the business?

Speaker 1 That's a problem I would love to have. Like, this is a problem if you tell me that Caleb Williams throws for 35 touchdowns touchdowns and

Speaker 1 4,000 yards and the Bears go to the playoffs, and then we lose Shane Waldron, sign me the fuck up.

Speaker 14 You know what the best problem to have is? No problem.

Speaker 1 That's the best problem. Yeah, everyone's got a problem.
Everyone's got a problem. All right, so this has fired me up just talking ball with Mike.
I got the football in my hand.

Speaker 1 I got one last question for you, Mike.

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It's actually actually a question in a comment.

Speaker 1 I'll start with the comment.

Speaker 1 Was writing this headline maybe one of the lowest points of your career in terms of, holy shit, we need football back? Mike Florio published this today, actually. Today, Sunday, Father's Day.

Speaker 1 He's working on Father's Day. U.S.
Olympic swimming trials set attendance record at Lucas Oil Stadium. That's your NFL tie-in that it happened at the Colts Stadium.
Listen, listen.

Speaker 14 Lucas Oil Stadium is in the top quartile of the upper quartile of all stadiums, as Jim Marce would say.

Speaker 14 And don't you accuse me of pandering to my corporate overlords when all I got to do is look around at all.

Speaker 1 All right, it's Olympics. It's Olympics.
All right, that's fine. But I just saw that headline.
I was like, we're talking about a swimming record at a football stadium?

Speaker 3 Was the roof open? Did you open the roof for it? That's the big question.

Speaker 1 I have to keep. I have to keep.
That's a good tie-in.

Speaker 1 Yes. All right.
You got to keep the cock happy. All right.
Now, give us.

Speaker 1 We've talked a lot of facts that Mike Florio knows. Let's go opinions that Mike Florio is thinking.

Speaker 1 Give us a team you think is going to surprise us when we get back to football. What team you got? Oh, Steelers.
You like Russ. You think Russ?

Speaker 14 Or Justin Fields? I just think that bringing Arthur Smith in there, and it's funny how many Steelers fans lose their shit because Arthur Smith, oh, he's stunk as a head coach.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but he was good enough as a coordinator to become a head coach. True.
Now he's a coordinator again. So he's not your head coach.
He's running the offense.

Speaker 14 I feel like there was just enough shit that went down late last year with Mike Tomlin maybe considering his options.

Speaker 14 And enough of that trickled up to Art Rooney II, the guy who runs the team, to realize we got to do something about our offense. So in comes Arthur Smith.
They blow up the quarterback depth chart.

Speaker 14 They've still got a great defense.

Speaker 14 And look at what they've managed to do.

Speaker 14 Tomlin's superpower is to take a room full of guys that you would individually individually look at them and say, okay, and slap them all together and make it into a playoff team.

Speaker 14 And I know other coaches who will, and this isn't just Antonio Brown, there are others that fall into this bucket.

Speaker 14 Guys who played for Tomlin that go elsewhere and they're like, this guy's a fucking pain in the ass. I had no idea this guy's a fucking pain in the ass.
How does Mike Tomlin do it?

Speaker 14 He knows how to speak to the better angels of all these players and get the most out of them. You bring in Russell Wilson, who's on his last chance.
This is it for him. If he blows it now, he's done.

Speaker 1 He took a team-friendly deal, Mike. I read that headline.
No, no, no, he didn't take a team-friendly deal. I know, I know.
Yeah, that's what people pay him $39 million this year.

Speaker 1 Schefter said he took a team-friendly deal.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it's no team-friendly deal.

Speaker 14 This is his last chance. He's got to hold off Justin Fields, and he's got to play well this year because after this year, he's gone.
He's free agent. Fields, after this year, he's gone.

Speaker 14 He's a free agent. In a weird sort of way, it's like the old Seinfeld episode where Lloyd Braun and Costanza were trying to sell computers, and the winner gets a water pick and the loser gets fired.

Speaker 14 One of these guys is getting the starting job in 2025, and one of them is getting fired. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And I think what's going to happen once those Steelers fans start seeing what Justin Fields can do on the ground, and if he's running circles around guys playing second string in the preseason, they're going to fall in love with him.

Speaker 14 So Russ had better get it done

Speaker 14 because if he

Speaker 14 struggles at all, the Steelers fans are going to be chanting for Justin Fields.

Speaker 14 And I think Tomlin knows how to handle all that, but I think when you see the odds out there, I think we had the DraftKings odds on PFT Live recently.

Speaker 14 It's stunning how little people believe in the Steelers based upon where the odds currently are.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, and Justin Fields,

Speaker 1 one of the best games he played as a pro. I was there Monday Night Football against the Steelers at Heinz Field.

Speaker 3 So they know. And people forget that's also where Russ did his little pantomimed huddle thing where he was pretending to call plays when he was in Petersburg.
That was at Heinz Field, yeah.

Speaker 3 So he's got experience running visual drills on that field. Whoa.
Because he did it. I think that might have been where he did the fake ass bumps, too.

Speaker 1 For some reason, I thought that was at Lambo, but then Lambo was the game that he came back. Remember when he got healed so fast? A miracle, yeah.

Speaker 1 It was a miracle, but then he sucked because he clearly still had a broken thumb. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, Mike, I got a topic just to get you wound up on real quick because I'm sure that Chiefs fans love you.

Speaker 3 How do you feel about the Chiefs' offseason this year,

Speaker 3 most specifically dealing with legal issues?

Speaker 14 Well, I know this.

Speaker 14 They must really love Rashi Rice because we know how this goes. If you're good enough, they'll twist themselves.

Speaker 14 And not just the Chiefs, any team at any level in any sport will twist themselves into knots to excuse bad behavior. If you're borderline or scrub, you're gone.

Speaker 14 You're the guy we're going to make the example out of. And they really do believe in Rashi Rice.

Speaker 14 And one of the things I learned when I was poking around on some of these edges with the, we all know about the street racing incident, eight felony charges that are pending.

Speaker 14 There could be more because he's yet to be charged with leaving the scene of an accident involving injuries. So he's got legal issues, and I'll be surprised if he's playing week one.

Speaker 14 He's either going to be on the commissioner's exemplist or he will have pled guilty to one or more of these felonies and he'll be suspended under the personal conduct policy.

Speaker 14 They love him because he came in last year and he figured out the offense quickly, faster than Tyreek Hill did.

Speaker 14 He had a better first year in Kansas City in the Andy Reid offense than Tyreek Hill did. So they see a ceiling for him that is just going to potentially explode.
That's why they're dealing with it.

Speaker 14 And the other thing, too, is, and we've seen players like this over the years, when they go back home

Speaker 14 and run with guys that they've known their whole life, they get influenced in a certain way. You know, it's a whole Aaron Hernandez thing.

Speaker 14 If he'd have been drafted by the Seahawks or the Rams or the Chargers and away from New England, who knows what the alternate universe might be.

Speaker 14 But to be around those guys in Dallas like Rice was, I think the Chiefs believe if they

Speaker 14 can use everything they have to get him pointed in the right direction, keep him away from the guys in Dallas that have gotten him into trouble, that he'll break a certain way.

Speaker 14 But eight felonies, we've seen the video. I don't know how he gets out of this without a major problem with the NFL.
So he's going to miss some time to start the season, I believe.

Speaker 14 But the Chiefs are tolerating it because

Speaker 14 they know what he can do. And look, I picked the Chiefs to win the last two Super Bowls.
And it really isn't a stretch. I mean, really.

Speaker 14 Now, and the thing I love about the Chiefs, because I remember growing up in the 70s, and the Steelers would kick the shit out of everybody, and then another team would come along, kick the shit out of everybody.

Speaker 14 The Chiefs make every game they're in interesting.

Speaker 14 The playoff games, there's never a blowout. Every Super Bowl, they got to come from behind.

Speaker 14 It's like going to a Batman movie. You know, Batman ain't going to get killed, but you're going to have moments where you're like, oh, what's going to happen to Batman?

Speaker 14 That's what happens with the Chiefs. So it's never boring.
It's always exciting.

Speaker 14 And how, I mean, even with everything that's happened this offseason, does anybody really think they're just going to go away this year?

Speaker 1 I don't. No, they're going to win again.
Yeah, they're going to win.

Speaker 3 Do you want to pick them to win again right now?

Speaker 14 No, but I probably will by September.

Speaker 3 I just did. I picked them to win again.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Mike, everyone, please do go buy Mike's book.
He is one of our favorite guests. Like I said,

Speaker 1 you can't tell this history of pardon my take without Mike Florio.

Speaker 1 It was great just talking ball. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Have you ever read, if you were starting starting to read my Christmas book, but I never heard from you again, so I assume you didn't finish it.

Speaker 1 No, I did. I read a couple pages.

Speaker 1 And I got the gist of it. I got the gist of it.

Speaker 3 I read it, and then Blake took it from me and he started eating it.

Speaker 1 I love Blake.

Speaker 14 Blake is awesome. He looked at me.
I want to hurt the dog so bad.

Speaker 14 I love my dog.

Speaker 1 I just want another one. He looked very happy while he was eating it.

Speaker 3 So he loved your book. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah. It's probably better on the way in than the way out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I got the gist of it. It's a book.
All right. Thank you.
Yeah. But Mike, you are the best.
And welcome to Phase Me. We'll talk to you maybe in August.

Speaker 14 Thanks.

Speaker 3 What's after Phase Me? Is it Phase U? Phase We?

Speaker 14 I don't know. Phase P?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I have no idea. Okay, all right.
We'll enjoy Phase Me. All right, Mike.

Speaker 14 I'm sorry to end on such a low note. I don't have anything witty to say.
So what the fuck? All I can say is goodbye. And I love you, Hank.

Speaker 1 Hank just did the wrap-it-up thing where he's like, Mike is talking too much. Let's go.
He did that.

Speaker 14 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Get fired up at Hank again.

Speaker 14 No, that's fine.

Speaker 5 I'm fine now. No, okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Mike, you're the best.
All right. Love you.
Love you. Bye, Mike.
Bye.

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 we're running long, so let's put Monday reading to next Monday because it can wait. Max has been here the entire time.
Now, Max missed his flight because he was so sad about Thursday's show.

Speaker 1 So he missed the show today, but he's been listening the whole time. He's been taking notes for Max's minute.

Speaker 1 So, Max,

Speaker 1 hello. What did we get get wrong hello um

Speaker 15 not everything was

Speaker 15 not much that was actually wrong i just have some notes of things that i would like to say okay

Speaker 1 you're like luca brazzi right now

Speaker 1 okay why are you why are you not able to speak

Speaker 1 i can speak okay i'm literally speaking by the way shout out big dom for sending us these uh big dom's the best great big dom sent us a care package and i texted big dom a picture of it and said thank you so much and he just replied my My Paisons.

Speaker 1 And I fucking

Speaker 1 love it. I hate how much I love it.

Speaker 15 So excited when I showed him that response that it just said, my Paisons.

Speaker 1 My Paisons.

Speaker 1 Okay, ready? Yes.

Speaker 15 Loser-winner thing, mean. Loser tried to show up.
Loser hates Philadelphia Airport. The Philly airport is dead to the loser.
Wait, wait, wait. Hank's rushing.

Speaker 1 What was this? This is my minute.

Speaker 3 He's referring to himself as

Speaker 1 okay. You are the loser.

Speaker 3 The loser minute.

Speaker 1 Can you, can, is a loser in the room with you right now?

Speaker 1 I'm the loser. Okay.

Speaker 15 That was when you were doing like the whole metaphor thing of like there's a loser and the loser didn't show up. God.

Speaker 3 Oh, you mean like Bryson and Rory? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you're Rory? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's Rory.

Speaker 1 I'm Rory, correct.

Speaker 1 Minus the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 In the major championships.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 15 You're the one who said it.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 You sound hypothetical.

Speaker 11 You're the one who was inferring that I was the loser.

Speaker 3 So what are you thinking?

Speaker 8 No, you just heard, you inferred yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we never said anything about you.

Speaker 8 What they said was up for interpretation, and you interpret.

Speaker 1 UK, we were talking, we were doing the show, and you were literally writing, I think they're talking about me because they mentioned a loser.

Speaker 3 I distinctly did not mention your name. I was saying that we would never do something like that on this show.

Speaker 1 I hate you guys.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Can I continue? 0 for 1.

Speaker 15 Hank's wrestling anger face is so much worse than Bryson's.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 we're talking about Bryson, so 0 for 2.

Speaker 3 0 for 2. We're talking about Patrick Cantley.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're talking about Patrick Cantley. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Actually, yeah, no, Patrick Hantley and Hank kind of similar in that respect.

Speaker 3 I'm going to pull up his face right now.

Speaker 1 You do not have a dumpy body like he does.

Speaker 8 No, soon, though. What? I'm trying to get a fat ass.

Speaker 1 You are? PBL Hank?

Speaker 1 Yeah, dunking. Lower body.
How fat are we talking?

Speaker 8 I mean, just anything that's not inverted would be nice.

Speaker 8 You know?

Speaker 1 Permission to look when you get it. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 3 You're going to get caked up on a side? Nice.

Speaker 1 Peaches.

Speaker 3 That's going to look real good with a shaved head.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're going to look like

Speaker 1 Sigourney Weaver in Alien.

Speaker 1 Hot. Hot.
You didn't see that movie. No.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Max, 0-2.

Speaker 15 Tatum went 15-5-3 3 on 4 of 10 shooting. He is now shooting 36% from the field and 29% from 3 this series.
I just thought that

Speaker 1 we should talk about that. Okay, that's actually a good addition.

Speaker 1 One for three. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
One for three, similar to Tatum shooting. Yep.

Speaker 3 Would you say that you're having a good show then?

Speaker 1 What? Would you say you're having a good show right now?

Speaker 3 You went one for three.

Speaker 15 No, I'm having a bad show. Okay.

Speaker 1 Good. You're smart.
You're learning.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 15 The Christopse get him on the court to win a championship was such a dumb statement.

Speaker 1 They would just put him on the court for no reason.

Speaker 1 I don't know why, but in the moment, I was like, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 Like, just tried him out there at the end of the game. What were you thinking, Hank? Like, in the third quarter, they would get him out there?

Speaker 8 Oh, like, they're up, you know, 15-20, and they checks in for the last like 30 seconds?

Speaker 3 Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 5 no, they wouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 We'll see.

Speaker 8 There's still time.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 15 Joel and Biade, very talented man, not tampering.

Speaker 8 Men are allowed to roll their eyes.

Speaker 8 Might have been

Speaker 1 allowed to roll their eyes. I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 Pink rolls his eyes.

Speaker 1 I think that's more of a woman's thing.

Speaker 1 That's what?

Speaker 1 Rolling your eyes. I don't know if men are allowed to roll their eyes.
Men roll their arms. Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 15 it's not illegal.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it should be.

Speaker 1 Okay, keep going.

Speaker 8 All right, fine.

Speaker 15 Orioles would have had to sweep the series if you were to consider it a throttling. You don't know throttling.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, they throttled them because they lost one game in extra innings and they beat them 6-2 and 8-2. They throttled them.

Speaker 15 That means nothing. And also, there was

Speaker 1 two games, they lost one. Yeah, they throttled them.

Speaker 15 A throttling would be a sweep.

Speaker 1 In the games that they beat them, they throttled them.

Speaker 15 The game yesterday was not a throttling game.

Speaker 1 It was a one-run,

Speaker 15 but it was a one-run game, and then they

Speaker 15 got a bunch of insurance runs.

Speaker 3 The insurance runs, yeah.

Speaker 1 They throttled them.

Speaker 1 They really, technically, they had a one-run lead, and then all the other runs were just insurance.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 Yesterday was a good game.

Speaker 1 Throttled today.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Water dogs.

Speaker 15 Water dogs just don't have a face-off guy, which is crazy. Is that true?

Speaker 1 They choose to lose every face-off guys?

Speaker 1 No, he's just

Speaker 15 a score, score guy.

Speaker 3 He's a guy who scores.

Speaker 1 So, is our new coach just not doing face-offs?

Speaker 15 I think the one they just don't do face-offs because they're, I think their face-off guy got hurt and they just choose not to do face-offs because that's how we lose everyone.

Speaker 1 On Saturday, was they just won the face-off in overtime and scored two seconds later?

Speaker 15 Yes, that guy had three goals just off of the face-off, the face-off guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so crazy.

Speaker 3 Should we get a new face-off guy or should we wait for our face-off guy to get healthy?

Speaker 15 I don't know.

Speaker 15 We need a face-off guy.

Speaker 3 I learned a lot about Lax this weekend.

Speaker 1 It was kind of fun. Okay.

Speaker 3 Go birds.

Speaker 15 We were just talking about birds.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 15 I talked to Jack Mac. He said there's no bugs in the impossible meet.
That was something I wanted to come back to.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Got it.
It's so great. I wanted to know if there were bugs in the impossible meet.
No bugs. Okay.
All right. So still.
And lastly,

Speaker 15 lastly, I would like to ask Hank if game five is must-wins.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 great.

Speaker 1 Hank, or Max,

Speaker 1 you may officially be having a great show.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 1 It's a must-win? Yeah.

Speaker 3 So that means that when you said earlier that you weren't nervous at all, then you lied.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A must-win. You have to be nervous about a must-win.

Speaker 8 I told you I was a little nervous. I'm 15% nervous.

Speaker 3 No, you're way more than 15 if it's a must-win.

Speaker 1 Must-wins are are not 15%.

Speaker 8 But it's at home. It's 6-1-7.

Speaker 1 Is it a must-win? It is 6-wins.

Speaker 1 It's a must-win.

Speaker 8 6-1-7.

Speaker 1 If it's a must-win, you have to be nervous.

Speaker 8 I told you guys I was a little nervous.

Speaker 1 Not must-win, nervous? You sound more like can't lose nervous.

Speaker 8 But every game's a must-win.

Speaker 3 Don't do that. No.

Speaker 1 Every single game?

Speaker 3 No, this last game wasn't a must-win. You were up 3-0.

Speaker 1 Friday night was not a must-win.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 now it's 3-1.

Speaker 3 You should have made Friday night a must-win.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you didn't take Friday night as a must-win.

Speaker 8 No, I didn't, and I learned from my mistakes.

Speaker 1 So now every game's a must-win. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So you are nervous. A little bit, yeah.
It sounds like you're a lot nervous. A lot nervous.
If you're making must-wins. Must-wins.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're up 3-1. You're basically up.
Well, no, you were up 3-0.

Speaker 1 Great job, Max.

Speaker 15 Thank you. I muted myself.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Good show, boys.

Speaker 3 Good show.

Speaker 1 It's great being back in studio.

Speaker 3 Oh, Max, do you have any comment about the guy on the Eagles that was caught on camera after banging an OnlyFans model, and then she videotaped him running naked down the hotel room hallway?

Speaker 15 He was probably sleepwalking. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, that's fair. It was more sleep running.
Yeah, it was a very funny video. How do you have no idea what you're talking about?

Speaker 3 It was a very funny video.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you're not locked in on your birds.

Speaker 3 It was

Speaker 3 Terrell Lewis.

Speaker 9 Tilu. I don't even know who that is.
T.

Speaker 3 Lou. T.
Lou likes the OnlyFans ladies, allegedly.

Speaker 3 And then the OnlyFans lady tagged him and a bunch of coaches from the Eagles on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Big Dom will take care of that. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Numbers. 8, 20.
18. I'm not going to agree.

Speaker 1 You have to do one. You're on the show.
You have to do one.

Speaker 8 6 or 17.

Speaker 15 All right, fine. 56, but this is Mickey Mouse if I win.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's not. It's a real ball.

Speaker 1 6 or 17?

Speaker 3 He's trying to take 6-1-7. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 you can't do two numbers.

Speaker 8 All right, 17.

Speaker 1 That's a panic move.

Speaker 8 No, I just want to

Speaker 8 to sneak one in there. You never know.

Speaker 3 It almost worked.

Speaker 1 Sneak in two numbers?

Speaker 1 Okay. Shane?

Speaker 8 21.

Speaker 1 99, Pug.

Speaker 9 Pug's got the headphones on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Pug. Holly Pug.
Holly Pug. Pug to Pug.
Pug, what?

Speaker 1 Real quick,

Speaker 1 anything you want to apologize for?

Speaker 10 What? You're getting hit up for tickets?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, not that. I don't care.

Speaker 10 That I didn't end with Pug.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I got caught up in in them. I was too focused on the ad.

Speaker 1 You did a whole ad, and I was like, who did this?

Speaker 1 I know. You just never said Pug.

Speaker 10 I dropped an immediate apology, though. Pug.

Speaker 1 Okay. Terms apply.
Terms apply.

Speaker 1 All right, memes, what was your number? Three.

Speaker 1 Max, have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 15 No.

Speaker 1 So I'm actually kind of rooting for Max to get this because he said he doesn't want it to count.

Speaker 1 So, you're saying it won't count?

Speaker 15 No, well, you said it to count.

Speaker 15 I said it would be Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 3 Okay, so it will be Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 24.

Speaker 1 Love you guys. Imagine if it was 20.

Speaker 15 You would not have reacted that way if it was 20.

Speaker 1 I know. I know.

Speaker 3 We would just cut your screen off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't have come back

Speaker 9 if it was 20? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 All right, see what it was.

Speaker 1 Don't give your way.

Speaker 1 I don't know what about to say, I'll say it anyway.

Speaker 1 Today is another day to find you. Shy away,

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for your love of gay. Shy away,

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for your love of me.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 gone.

Speaker 1 I'm needless to say

Speaker 1 I've always said it. But I'm feeling so let away.

Speaker 1 Stay on me.

Speaker 1 If you're better to be safe, I'm sorry. Say on me.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 on me

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 here.

Speaker 1 Hard things that you say,

Speaker 1 every little I felt just to play my memories away

Speaker 1 There are all things I've got to remember

Speaker 1 Shy and away

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you anyway

Speaker 1 Shy and away

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you anyway Take

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 Take on me

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 on me

Speaker 1 I'll

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 God.

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