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Today is Friday, June 14th. And this is Henry Lockwood's world, and we're all living in it.
We are taping this right now on Henry Lockwood's 31st birthday. Happy birthday, Hank.
Happy birthday, Hank. Henry Lockwood is coming off a night where he went to see his quarterback, who won six Super Bowls for him, be inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame.
And that quarterback named Hank and Feidelberg and Gaz and Dave, who actually left, in his induction speech,

the Hall of Fame greatest quarterback of all time named Hank

in his induction speech while his Celtics were going up 3-0

on the precipice of winning their 18th banner.

Today is his birthday.

Oh, and just a little cherry on top, Bryson is his max bet for the U.S. Open, and he's like third.
Hank, the whole world is just coming up Hank right now. I don't really know what else to say other than we're just passengers in Hank's ride through the galaxy.
I got something, and I want to add one thing to it real quick. He also saw a down and out appears possibly homeless person wearing the handsome Hank Lockwood boxing shirt at a bus station in South Boston.
So it's been, it's been quite a trip. Hank, my question for you is, can you teach me your ways? I mean, I'm, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
There's, there's really nothing to say other than then i just pure luck right place right time i don't really know why i know i don't deserve it um but i just i just am and you can't i'm just lucky i'm just lucky there's really nothing else i can say uh i definitely don't deserve it but i'm happy that i'm able to experience the things I'm able to experience and blessed. And, you know, I thank you too.
I definitely don't deserve it, but I'm happy that I'm able to experience the things

I'm able to experience and blessed.

And I thank you too.

I thank Dave for

everything, really.

I didn't actually want an answer here. I didn't want an

answer. This wasn't what

I wanted. I just wanted to acknowledge it.
I'm assuming

Max took off his headphones, PFT.

He took them off his ears, and then Hank

kept going, and then gradually he just slowly took them off his entire head and put them down on the desk next to him. He can't take it.
Hank is... You forgot one thing.
The Red Sox beat the Phillies last night, too. Oh, yeah.
You don't even know that they're winning again tonight, you fucking loser. Well, he's actually not a loser.

I drove home.

You can call Hank a lot of things.

You can call Hank a terrible golfer.

Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know.

Yeah, he sucks the golf.

Sleeps too much, but he's not a loser.

He's not a loser.

No, he's not a loser.

Hank is a winner, and that's why I want to know his ways.

I mean, whatever he's been doing in his life has worked out so tremendously well for him.

There's something that we can all learn from Hank.

Hank, I saw you also tweeted out this morning that you are now as old as me and Big Cat were when we started part of my take,

which made me feel extremely old.

Out of all the things that have made me feel old in my late 30s, I mean late 20s, that is probably the number one.

Thinking it in that terms really blows my mind.

So I want to know, when you started doing part of my take, did we feel old to you? Oh, yeah. I was 22, so I don't know how you guys feel.
But like, obviously, I live a Peter Pan basically lifestyle with his job.

But I feel like time has just kind of stopped since we started the podcast. Like, it's probably bad that I don't really, like, feel any different than I did when the podcast started, but I don't.
Like, I was 22 when the podcast started. I'm 31 now, but I feel like I think in the exact same way as I did back then i'm just like a little bit better off in life i i feel the same way there the other one pft is my son is about to turn five uh next week so i've been a dad for more than half of this show that's crazy too crazy that's also right yeah that one fucked me up as well but yeah hank being 31 the age that we started um it's just i yeah i i don't know he's he's still got his whole life in front of him to get the guy just whatever he whatever even when hank is down for a little bit and he's been down before i mean he literally sucked nicky Smoke's cock on video last week.

But it doesn't matter because it always comes back.

He always bounces back.

He's the stock that everyone should have bought 10 years ago.

I guess I kind of did.

I guess we both did.

Yeah, we did.

We definitely did.

And he just keeps – you might have a bad quarter, but then the dividends just –

I think that's the word – just keep producing insane profits i'm like uh i'm like the roaring kitty it's like i i like the stock i like i like i like the honk and i'm glad we invested in you hank uh in the middle of the night last night when you were on this heater and i was getting ready to go to sleep and you pointed out that not only had all these great things happened but also that the Red Sox beat the Phillies and you didn't even know about it I thought to myself I should get out of bed and just fuck up all the slats in my bed frame because it might be the way that you're sleeping I don't know I just want to be more like Hank what can I say eat some spiders yeah I put I put a hole in my wall now okay last thing because I do want to talk game, Hank, then I want to talk about your night at Brady's retirement. The last thing I was wondering, so you're such a winner, Hank.
You're the ultimate winner. Here comes the back end.
No, no, no, no, no, no. This isn't going to be a back end.
What would it feel like if, and I'm just saying any of us in this room, were the ultimate loser, but Hank, the ultimate winner, was our boss? That would suck. I would quit.
Because we joke about Hank being our boss, PFT. He's not actually.
He actually is Max's boss. What are we talking about? I thought we were talking about the game.
I thought that's what you said you were going to. It gives Max something to strive for.
It gives him examples of what it looks like. You never want your subordinates to be better than your boss.
So it's better for me to kind of show him the way and just give him something to strive for. I think that's the best boss you can ask for.
It's true. Right? It's a great point.
Yeah, it's very good. And, I mean, you're showing that you're not afraid to be a hands-on boss either because the Celtics, what, four-fifths of their starting lineup were at one time 76ers? So you're showing them how to take the same – or it could have been 76ers.
Yeah. you're taking the same ingredients and you're showing

them this is this is how you assemble a winning culture and you can learn a lot from this so i appreciate that about your boss ship hank uh max you have any oh he's not even he might might be the end of him because it really is incredible how much hank wins and how much Max loses and Max has to report to Hank.

His job is in Hank's hands it's actually a credit to you Hank that you do such great charity service by employing a guy like Max yeah I mean I'm just I just want to help him I listen no one roots for Max more than me that's that's the thing that he doesn't realize, that I want him to get to this level. There's no one that's rooting for him to be where I'm at more than me.
You can hear us? I think we need to get Max like an emotional support animal, like somebody that's a bigger loser than him, and that way he can shit on that person. Memes.
Well, memes also is in the category of people that like probably hate me but also has to post when I do good things on social media and I know he hates doing it but I love that it's so true it's a shame like I feel bad but not at all. Hey, Tom Brady.
Hank's okay.

But yesterday sucked.

You just had to post highlights of Tom Brady sucking off Hank.

Shout out Big Dom.

Shout out Big Dom.

Big Dom.

That has nothing to do with this, Max.

We can talk about that later.

No, no.

That was a win for me.

I get to get one of these wins every now and then. Oh, Big Dom sent us some footballs? Yeah, that was a win.
Wow, you got to send some merch. Big Dom's a legend.
Hank, do you think Tom Brady would ever send you some merch? Yeah, of course. We're boys now.
You guys are boys. It was very cool seeing you guys meet him, and I was jealous because to have an athlete like that that you grew up idolizing, to look back and look you in the eye and being like, thank you, guys, that was great.
And I love Fyte's response, which was like, dude, shut the hell up. Yeah.
It was so perfect. Yeah, no, Tom Brady thanked Hank and Dave and Gaz in Fyte's.
And Fyte's first words to Tom Brady were, no, you shut the hell up. Thank you.
And yeah, so Hank, tell tell us let's do that and then we'll talk the celtics game because memes did have to post all these highlights you went to tom brady's retirement ceremony for people who don't know the lore uh when tom brady deflate gate he got suspended dave fights gaz and hank the brady four went to jail for tom brady they They went and protested at the NFL office. Hank spent a night in jail literally for Tom Brady.
So on Tom Brady's induction night last night, they dressed up exactly like they dressed up when they went to jail. They got special seats, like great seats given to them by Robert Kraft.
They got to meet Tom brady so then take it away hank what what was last night like yeah i mean it was it was a beyond surreal night we obviously well first of all we parked like a mile and a half away and dave had a parking pass but he didn't have it so he's like we'll just walk so we it was a classic barstool situation where we were walking like so far to get to the stadium which was which was funny because then we just walked into the vip red carpet area with all the players we see scott zolak recurring guest of the show absolute lightning rod he's like you know yelling at us we go to check in and zolak has asked the lady at the front desk like where am i sitting and she said oh you're in you know the general like you have a seat in the general area and then she's like oh dave you guys are at table 31 there's 70 you and so zolak was like what the fuck like how do you guys have seats and i'm just in like sitting with the regular people he literally broadcasts the games uh and then waiting for the red carpet it was just all you know former patriots players gronk edelman you know randy moss willie mcginnis and for me like there was a bunch of surreal parts of it, but seeing Gronk and Edelman and them just kind of coming up to us and dapping us up like we were players and obviously we know them really well that was crazy because it's a bunch of players just hamming it up saying what's up to each other and they just walk past us Gronk was like, oh what's up like dapped me up, gave me a hug same edelman like that was insane to me obviously just like

knowing like felt like we you know felt like we were on the team that was really cool um we did a red carpet interview with with boston that i don't think aired and and dave like jason mccourty was or devin mccourty was doing we're gonna have to figure out which one that was fuck no no no do not know that no there's not getting cut there's no way

crazy crazy that you think i would cut that mccordy was doing the interviews and uh he asked feidelberg question i wish i wish it aired so bad i've never seen feidelberg freeze like this in his life like he asked me he's like did you guys know you're going to jail and i said we thought we're gonna get out in the same night we got arrested the cop was like hey it's too late in the afternoon you're gonna have to spend the night and we all kind of froze and looked at each other we're like uh-oh and then he asked fidelberg a question i think fidelberg was thinking about whether or not he could say shit because he was going to say the story about how i took a shit in jail but he just froze so bad for like 10 seconds like he put the mic in front of him fidel was just unfortunately that clip never came out i hope they post it because it was so funny uh and then yeah we were just we were just hanging out with like you know patriots legends and everyone was coming up to dave bon jovi came up to dave like they were best friends it was like oh dave when you come over are you coming over for lunch? Like that was insane. The whole night was just beyond insane.
And then we were sitting at the seats and someone came over and said like, hey, I think you guys are in the speech. Because when we met Brady too, he's like, you guys have really good seats right in the front row, which should have tipped us off knowing that he knew where we were sitting because he had been writing a speech and planning for it.
Dave leaving was something, was definitely something. And then when he thanked you.
We had the game on a phone. Like, we were watching it, and I think Dave tried to get it on his phone with YouTube TV and the region that said, like, you're in the wrong region.
And he just kind of was like, I got to watch. Like, he just went from trying to get it on.
He couldn't get it on. He was like, the game i gotta go and uh hank when he thanked you we knew we were gonna be in the speech like we we knew like we said he was like if i if i wait till it ends it's gonna be crazy for me because people are gonna you know stop and talk which they were obviously all night like everyone was treating him like royalty so it would have taken him way longer to get to the bar where we knew like me, Gaz and Feidelberg could kind of just run over there.

So he was like, I'll leave and you guys just come after the thing.

But even after he left, I was like, we're going to get mentioned.

Like he's going to get mentioned.

He didn't know we were going to be in the Jumbotron, but we knew kind of beforehand that we were going to like we had been told like you guys are in the speech.

Yeah.

And when he thanked you, you pulled an all time power move, was you stood up and you you gave yourself a standing ovation yeah pump up the crowd yeah i saw myself i mean the pop the fact that we got a pop there was you know different pops all night people came on the stage randy moss by far the the best one it brought me to tears they had you know they had off uh they had defense come on and then they had some offensive players come on and they had the quarterbacks come on at different times to do like talking segments and randy moss came on he started to talk and before he could even speak everyone just started clapping everyone stood up gave him like a two minute long standing ovation he started crying i was crying it was a beautiful beautiful moment um question hank uh this moment

where tom brady mentioned you in his patriots hall of fame induction speech again before anything else before his parents he mentions you so that clip goes out uh memes from your perspective how was that having to post that?

It was terrible.

Okay, great.

Thank you, memes.

Okay, keep going, Hank. Was it numbers?

It was good numbers, right?

Like, it got great views, great engagement.

Yeah, I was pretty angry.

That's what the game is, right?

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

It's part of the job.

Okay.

I hated every second of it.

Keep going, Hank.

It was – I just can't – it was insane the amount of players that – obviously I'm a fan and obviously this is a massive podcast and Barstow's a massive platform, so I shouldn't get surprised. I've been doing it for 11 years.
But as a fan of the team, the amount of people that were coming up to us like you know belichick sons and and steve uh peoli and i mean scott peoli i meant messing up everyone's names is bad cut that cut that yeah cut that scott peoli just everyone coming up and dapping us up like we were just you know know, part of the team or part of the organization was beyond surreal.

And then getting the shout-out at the top of the speech.

He said fans, and then he said the Brady Four,

and then he went into his family.

He mentioned us right out of the gate.

You're closer than family.

Yeah, we got a pop.

I mean, when he was – the camera angle, you can't see my face, thankfully.

When he was thanking us, and obviously he's a professional and he's probably used to doing eye contact, he was just looking straight at me and I did not know what to do. I was praying that he looked away.
He kept talking and staring at me and I was just like, look away. Please look away.
I don't know what to do. I don't know what what to do i'm a 31 year old and i acted like i was i've never been more nervous or more excited in my entire life like i felt like a two-year-old like it was amazing did you any producing is he going to come on the show yeah we're in we have a soft agreement we have we we've got we've got a we've got a tentative date i'm not gonna we don't do that on the show but we have we've got verbals okay verbals all right so there's a work trip some verbals good job so i i did see the fucking lighthouse it looked like shit oh no it looked awesome no it looked like dog the picture of you in front of the lighthouse was you had so much face paint on it looked like gaz put your face paint on for you well, I kept rubbing my face and then forgetting I had face paint on and then, like, wiping off my white shorts, which was dumb.
It was a little bit of a messy, messy, messy evening. I'm just jealous.
I'm just jealous of it. Sammy J, the comedian, was at our table.
She was funny as fuck. Bill Burr absolutely brought the house down.
Jay-Z performance. Kenny Chesney performance.
It was just magical. Your winner.
All right, so and then next topic, the Celtics are up 3-0. And the Mavs, Luka has gone out as sad as sad could be.
It's tough to see. Pathetic second half by Luka where there was that two possessions in a row where he took back-to-back threes and tried to get a foul call and then just didn't go back on defense that was so, so sad and just like bad basketball, like terrible to watch.
And he ends up fouling out and then complains about the refs afterwards. Brian Windhorst, our guy Windy, absolutely eviscerated him on Scott Van Pelt afterwards.
Basically saying he has to mature. He has to get better.
He has to stop doing these things that are hurting his team, which are all facts. Like, Luka is the third best player in the NBA.
There still are a lot of things that are just, oh, just oh Hank okay we don't want to do this again Hank you want to do this again Hank let's not do no no let's not do this again I I do agree with Hank that Jalen Brown Jalen Brown it was was Jalen Brown scored 24 points in the second half he was incredible like a Phenomenal. The Celtics team, it's crazy because that – blowing that – it's crazy to watch a team mature to a point where you can actually still see their past in their present in the fact that they blew – they almost blew a 20-point lead, which is something that a couple years ago, Hank, you would agree, they would have actually blown the 20-point lead.
So you can see the past happening, and then you can see them being like, no, wait, that's not what we do anymore. We're just going to win this game and execute down the stretch, and Jalen Brown's going to hit a big jumper to ice the Mavs out at home.
And you can see it all happening at the same time. They asked Derek White about that after the game.
Is Joe Mazzullla, do you think he's happy? The fact that you guys keep coming close to getting beaten and then you just put your foot on the gas and crush him. And Derek was like, yeah, he's a sicko, so I think he probably does enjoy this.
Like, he's showing them the videos of dudes getting choked out, almost choked out, and fighting back. Mizzoula's definitely enjoying those types of wins, too.
And I think you are right. Like, you can see...
Joe Jitsu that joe jitsu you can see like the maturity better shirt than jerouth the truth yeah you're wearing it okay what about what about the drynessy yeah drum or our good friend donnie horford july yeah horford july is pretty good may the horf be with you uh there's a lot of good shirts we can sell hank when you inevitably win but big cat you brought up brian winhorse and his his evisceration his ether of luca and you saw him i don't know if you guys watch this live i was standing up in my basement like fist bump fist bumping, like I'm watching Arsenio because when he didn't, he didn't tell any lies in that you could, you could make the argument. Some of it was personal, but it was all a hundred percent correct.
I think my favorite part was when he pointed at the tunnel and he goes, see that tunnel right there. That's where the winners walk.
And you're never going to be over there. And then later on, he said that, uh, maybe some, I have the quote right here.
Maybe over the summer, somebody will get to him because nobody with the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has. And that's why the Mavericks are at this point.
They'll never get to this tunnel with the trophy if he doesn't improve. And he was spot on.
Like, Luka crying about fouling out of the game on the dumbest foul to take. And, yeah, it was borderline, but it was still a dumb position to put yourself in.
And then right afterwards, screaming at his own bench to be like, you better fucking challenge that. Then they do challenge it, and then they lose that challenge.
And then after the game, he's still blaming the refs. Luka, he's a baby back bitch.
He was being a baby back bitch last night. And after he demands that they challenge that one, the next play or maybe a play after that, I think it was a P.J.
Washington screen. That one could have been challenged and probably would have been overturned.
But they burned the challenge because Luca was complaining. And I love watching Luca play basketball, but that was one of the –, you can't defend what he did in game three.
Like that was pathetic. And, and like Wendy said, he will hopefully mature from it and get better.
And like, this will be because look, you're seeing it right now on the other sideline. The Celtics are the mature team.
Like there, there have been moments where Tatum and Jalen Brown, they've, they've had moments where you're like, this team lacks that killer instinct of maturity. They had to go through the wars to get to that point where they are a championship-caliber team, a championship-winning team that's going to be up there with some of the greatest teams ever when you look at their record.
So it does take – that's one of my favorite parts about the NBA is the wars that it takes for teams like you can see it throughout the history of the nba you have to go through the struggles to climb over the mountain lucas right now getting shit on and rightfully so i wouldn't sell my lucas stock but that was pathetic last night yeah it was really bad and it got so bad that even mavs fans they were like we can't we can't defend this you can't it was bad it's but those uh that uh back-to-back series it's actually you we can't Luca this yeah we can't defend we no we we can Luca this we can Luca this we're gonna Luca this right now meaning we're not gonna defend it we're not gonna defend it yeah and on those back-to-back uh threes that that he missed and then flopped on uh at least one of which led to a quick basket at the other end the flops were just they were insane it looked like he got hit by by a train in midair so stupid so he would he would take the shot and then go fully horizontal and then bitch at the referees for about 40 feet and be like oh shit i gotta play defense oh it's too late to play defense it was bad and they're they're compilations we've reached luca compilation season where you're now able to take these three games and to put together a highlight reel of luca's perimeter defense and just watch how bad it's been how bad he's getting blown by now you could make the argument shut up for this part we're talking max can you meet Hank real quick? Cut Hank's mic. You have enough going on.
You can't, like, just let us talk about Luka for a minute. Yeah.
Okay. So now I forgot where I was because Hank interrupted me to join the dog pile.
Oh, yeah, the compilation, the compilation of his defense. You could make the argument that their defense is designed with Luka in mind where he's going to get blown by and then you've got Derek Lively and some other guys down there that are quick to pick up a guy that's driving but it also throws off the entire rotation where you get two passes now you've got an open three and so his defense isn't just about a guy getting past him and getting to the basket but it makes everybody else on defense have to work so much harder and still lose.
Well, and I, I, I'm not even like Lucas defense. We know it's not elite.
His offense is, but more than just Lucas defense, it's just more of a testament to the Celtics having no holes. They don't have a guy who can, you, you can sag off of.
They don't have a guy that you can basically say, we're going to ignore them. They don't have a guy that you can put your worst defender on and say he's going to be okay.
They have top-to-bottom guys that can get their own bucket, that can make a three-pointer, that can defend on the other end, and that's why they're going to be the champions of the NBA probably tonight.

And that's a testament to them more than –

as much as last night was about Luka,

I don't want to just have it be all like shit on Luka.

It's also the Celtics are just that much better

and they're that good of a team.

You know what I mean?

Yes.

Can I say one tweet that I saw that was, I thought, very funny?

And I love Wendy. I love, love Wendy.
But I'm going to say it, and I love Wendy. One person did quote tweet, and he said, damn, that's fat on fat crime.
And I laughed. That's a good point.
I laughed a little bit. That's a fair point.
That's more of a shot at Luka, by the way. But listen, don't go at Wendy.
Wendy said nothing wrong. In fact, people don't realize how powerful Brian Windhorse is.
I would make the argument that LeBron is just a Wendy merchant, that Wendy made LeBron, not the other way around. I'm legitimately happy for Wendy in the second part of his career when everyone thought that all he could do was cover LeBron, and he is – because he does this every now and then where he will go hard on someone and it will always be facts.
And you don't see it that often in traditional journalism, in traditional sports media, because everyone wants their access. Everyone wants to be friendly with the players.
I mean, we're literally walking – that's what we do. But Wendyendy when he decides that he's going to go for it it's always factual and it's not like malicious or personal it's just this is what has occurred and this is what needs to be fixed and i love when he does it because there's very few guys that will that have the balls to do what wendy did yeah yeah he was right And right.
And Hank, um, you can rejoin the conversation. Uh, what were your thoughts on last night? I mean, that was even in the first, the first six minutes of the game, I thought that this was going to be the Mavs night.
Like you, they came out, uh, and they were up like 13 and then it felt like there was a weird shift in the universe. And it happened to coincide with Max trying to run up the score on you via text message four minutes into the game, which was just watch one NBA game, Max.
You were also joining in. Barely.
Barely. I said the Tatum three, when Tatum shot that shot.
I said, hey, are you getting updates? 17 pieces of the rim. And then you said, oh, no, Max, you should give him updates.
Yeah, because I want to see you fail. No, no, no, you were a part of that.
How many updates did I give? Just as many as I did. That's a lie.
That's a lie. Go look at it.
I did not give any updates. I started to give good Celtics updates.
The only update I gave was the Tatum.

Luke and Dan and Mads Max going at it.

This is hard to hear.

Find me the updates, PFT.

What did I say?

I said the Tatum shot because that was a funny shot.

I'm looking at it right now.

I'm pulling it up.

You have to admit that was a funny shot.

It hit like 17 parts of the rim.

Yeah, it was.

I mean, again, the first quarter, to your point, it was text messages off the Yang, and then I started watching the game, and they almost instantly started coming back. The first text I saw was from Max to Hank.
He says, drink a water. Well, that was at like 2 o'clock when he was like, oh, my God.
I'm scrolling back. Do you know how text messages work? Okay, this is from Max, 750.
Hey, Hank, I don't know if if you can watch the game but do you want me to give you updates big cat probably should just to be safe me my cable is down can you tell me that's pft i did the same thing we're like we want max totally down yeah we want max to get going hank says i have them so i think that's hank saying he doesn't need updates. Max says, well, the Mavs look pretty good.
They're currently up 13. They look good at that.
A lot of game left. True, there was a lot of game left.
Hank, yeah, I'm aware. Max, six-point game.
A lot of game left, Hank. Big Cat, Tatum just hit a swish three.
So pure. Max.
That was the one that bounced on everything. So pure.
Don't think it touched the net hank nice max two-point game hank no quit and then uh i told you i was giving and then like 10 minutes later celtics won congrats hank but hank is spelled h-a-b-k so i gave one update but all none of my updates were were done i only gave one negative update you You tried to see. You tried.
Fact or fiction, you started texting Hank being like, because I thought it was going to be the Mavs night too. But you started texting Hank when they were up 13 and the crowd was rocking and you're like, this is going to be awesome.
Yeah. No, well, also Hank was having such a good night.
It was such bullshit. Oh, after Max said, drink a water, Hank says, I didn't even get drunk tonight.
I drove. High on life.
Either way, yeah. I mean, I got back.
Yeah, I got back. My phone died, so I didn't really have my phone.
I drove like an hour home, finally got home at like midnight and was just, you know, basking in all of the clips and highlights and tweets and stuff. And then before, so probably like that took an hour.
Before I went to bed, I just went on the score app. And I had no idea the Red Sox were even playing the Phillies and seeing the score that the Red Sox beat the Phillies just was a cherry on top of a beautiful night.
Phillies were also up like 5-1, and I tweeted that this is going to be the best team of all time. It's hard to keep track of all of Hank's dubs.
And then they got smoked again. The only other game thing that I noticed, I was watching some of the replay before we recorded because I was watching on my phone basically until the fourth quarter, and then I was watching in a bar, so it wasn't as fully locked in.
When the Mavs came back, Jason Kidd called a timeout when they had all of the momentum. I think they cut the lead to three, and he called the timeout for seemingly no reason, and that was kind of it.
The Celtics, the Luka, I think, fouled out right after that, and the Celtics pulled away. They also should have called a foul, a loose ball foul, and he just ran over Jalen Brown.
They didn't. You got the illegal screen, which was a horrendous call, and they had been letting everything go all night, and that ended the game.
The Celtics were on their heels. Yeah, I mean, he put his shoulder into the guy's neck.
But yeah, they also didn't. That was a makeup call.
He did have an illegal screen. They basically did the same play coming down the court of possession before.
They didn't call it. And they probably told him, like, don't do it again.
He did it again. They called it.
So is it a makeup foul or did he put his shoulder into his neck? Both. The Celtics did.
It was bizarre. They were cruising.
That third quarter, they were cruising, and they were just driving and getting to the rack, kicking out for open threes. And then there was a six-minute stretch where they just stopped doing that, with their food vintage vintage old self it was crazy just watching it being like you guys were doing something that these mavs could not stop and then you just decided to stop doing it and then they did it at the end and jalen brown will probably be the finals mvp would you say him or drew right now i think it's probably like 60 40 jalen Brown, but I think game four could swing it either way.
To who? Like if Jason Tatum goes off for like 40 or triple-double or something. No shot.
He's shooting like 8%. Absolutely a shot.
He has a shot. If you look at the odds, Max, I think Las Vegas knows a little bit better than Max.
Las Vegas has him. What are the odds? I think that he's the second most likely to get MVP.
At what? At getting MVP. But at what odds? I can pull it up right now.
It's not that far. It's not that crazy.
But right now, I think it's definitely Jalen. If he has a triple-double and Jalen Brown has the average game, he'll get it.
I got it. But Jalen Brown, that second half, he took over.
did you see when um when they were reviewing the challenge uh when luca was fouling out there were there was a moment where luca was just staring at the referee and you could see the look on his face like oh fuck i shouldn't have talked all this shit to referees my entire career that's yeah because do you know it was such a do you know who i am like him saying like oh you going to give me six fouls in the finals? Like, dude, you fouled six times, probably more. And the ref that's reviewing it, I'm not saying that he's going to hold something personal against Luka and if it's not a foul, call it a foul.
But if it's close, fuck him. Yeah.
It's our Luka flow chart that we said a week ago. If he hits a shot, he'll yell at someone in the crowd and flex and stare at them and if he misses a shot it'll be like i got fouled and start screaming at the ref and slowly get back on defense that's that's how it goes every single possession it works and and we should uh we should maybe lay off luca for a second because i think that there's something else that we need to discuss maybe the the reason why luca is being the way that he is.
And a guy named Baker Baker Baker pointed this out on Twitter.

Luka hasn't won a game or really played well at all since they took the beer out of his hand.

That was Michael Finley.

Yeah, the Western Conference Finals.

Luka had a beer.

Finley walks by, sees Luka drinking a beer in the celebration, grabs it out of his hand,

walks away, and Luka's just standing there hanging his head.

You got to let Luka drink. Let the man have a beer.
Well, he's had good games. He just felt as if they were better.
Yeah. I mean, game two, he was awesome.
Game one, he was good. Yeah, the first quarter in that one game.
Yeah, he's played well, but I guess I'm more colored by the last half that I saw Luka play and how bad it was. It was pathetic.
All right, Jalen Brown's minus 280. Jason Tatum's plus 250.
So, yeah, it's going to be Jalen Brown. Thank you to DraftKings.
Okay, let's talk some other things. Anything else, Hank? You're about to raise banner 18 and shave your head.
Yeah, I'm excited. Great time to be alive.
Okay, great answer. Love you guys.
U.S. Open, we have Patrick Cantley in first.
Or no, Rory's tied with him, correct? Rory's tied with him. People mad about – what do they keep saying? Borderline.
The course is borderline? Yeah. Other big notes I had from this is Brooks having his text interview was one of the funniest things I've ever read.
If people missed it, Brooks skipped his media today after the round, and Iman Lynch texted him, a golf reporter, basically being like, hey, you skipped your interview. Would you want to do an interview over text? And Brooks said, sure, go ahead, fire away.
And they went back and forth. And it was very funny because Brooks essentially was like, you guys ask really boring questions about the course.
And oh, you know, when you bogeyed that hole, do you think you should have shot something different? And they went back and forth and back and forth. And Brooks was just brutally honest and it was very funny including um i'm gonna read my favorite part well one iman uh tried to correct brooks uh he he said your instead of your so you know you y-o-u-r instead of y-o-u-r-e and brooks just said thanks dad uh back to him to him.
But Heemon was like, oh, you're trying to feel bad for yourself. You got a pity party.
What are you going to do after this? And Brooks, I'm going to try to find the exact clip. Oh, he tried to tell him.
He asked him if he was going to take a nap, and he said, no, that's my son. I'm not going to take a nap.
And then the best line that Brooks had was Jenna's working out and I'm doing my routine, have a dip in and I'm going to get ready for the hockey game. And I want more of these Brooks interviews via text.
I feel like he's way more honest. Go peas.
He might as well answer it all with go peas. Yeah.
Yeah. Start texting before each after each round.
Yeah. I really, really undercut the mainstream media.
I love how brooks was just like well your questions aren't creative enough and he's like okay so what what kind of uncreative questions are you being what's the most creative question that you've been asked and the best example that he had was uh somebody asked me about the grass yeah like what do you think about bermuda grass yeah it's it was a perfect back and forth because I don't think – Brooks wasn't being mean. It was just – he's like, yeah, I didn't really want to do the interview.
You guys asked the same questions. What do you want me to do? And the guy was kind of pushing back, and I think it was like a funny back and forth.
I liked it, and we need more of it. People can be a little bit meaner via text than they can face-to-face.

Yeah, it worked out well.

But Rory played very well today.

Max played okay.

But Rory, now that Rory's back,

he's totally back, the relationship has been mended.

That was news that came out like last week.

What?

Yeah, yeah.

He's not getting divorced anymore. I thought that was a fake.

They called off the divorce.

That read like a fake golf thing.

No, we should have known this. Nobody melts down like a golfer that's called off the divorce.
That read like a fake golf thing. No, we should have known this.

Nobody melts down like a golfer that's going through a divorce.

That's just, it's always.

If you go through a divorce, you lose like five strokes off your game.

But now that he's back, he's having the makeup sex.

And the makeup sex is propelling him to get in the hole.

Wait, so he essentially said he was going to get divorced

so that he could go hook up with a couple chicks for like a month? Who knows? What a move. A fake divorce.
Are you saying it was a fake divorce maybe? No, I'm saying he probably had intentions of divorcing and then hooked up with some chicks. I was like, nah, actually, I don't really.
I'm good. Yeah, he started dating one crazy chick.
Yeah, he's like, I'm good. I'd rather, yeah, I'd rather just have my family.
Well, he's been out of the game for a long time, right? They got married a while ago, 10, 15 years, something like that. So the game's changed a lot since then.
He's probably not equipped to handle sexting. Married in 2017.

Not even close.

They were together for a while before that, I thought.

I'm going to be honest.

I'm not a big – I'm not really up on Rory McIlroy's love life.

I'll hand up.

That's a sports story that I've missed.

Did you guys see his final putt?

Yeah, he walked it in. Yeah, it was sick.
It was insane. He walked it in with like five feet to go and it never had a doubt.
Hank, I also want to say that it's a little cool that we played mid-putts. Thank you.
You're welcome. You're welcome.
A couple times today I was watching, I was like, oh, I remember that hole. Oh, no, wait, I was 10 miles away.
Yeah. No, but there was a couple times where I saw it in the straw, and I was like, hmm, what would I do? Oh, I actually did it.
Drive her off the deck. Yeah.
That's what they should do here. Same soil, same grass.
I could have answered Iman's questions about the grass. I actually was saying.
There's just so much, a lot of grain talk. It's all about the grain.
Borderline. I saw someone saying that mid-pines are actually.
Those are the greens. Better than Pinehurst 2.
That Pinehurst 2 isn't even close to the best Pinehurst. I think there's only one way to find out.
I think we have to go to Pinehurst and play them all and rank them, not Rushmore. This was from Mark Calvecchia.
He was a pro golfer. He said, I'm ready for some abuse.
Just going to spit it out. Pinehurst is such a cool area with great courses.
Number two ain't one of them. Most overrated course in the world.
Let me have it, but it's true. And then a bunch of people replied and were like, yeah, one in four are four are better mid pines is better and i was sitting there pumping my fist being like that's us we played mid pines i agree i think mid pines is way better way better way tougher better better test yep i love the test talk whatever they say it's a great test what they've done out here none of us none of us shot five Mid-Pines.
No. And they're just bending this course over.
But I hope that the scores don't stay this low. I hope the course comes out a little bit.
It's going to bake out later on this week, right? Yeah. It's going to get harder.
Can it become more borderline? Firmer. No, I think it goes over the line.
If it's more, anything more borderline is officially over the line right that's what i was thinking but i've only heard people say borderline right but it could then get yeah over the line i need to be over the line i would like to go over the line uh yeah brooks said that when uh when he said so if we hear anyone say the course is borderline and they're just whining, he said, no, I don't think they're whining.

The U.S. Open always comes close to the line.

It's just a matter of does it get crossed?

I want it to get crossed.

Cross that line.

I want to get it crossed.

Yeah, well, I'm excited.

It's a good leaderboard to start.

We also had our 20 minutes of Tiger where everyone was like, oh, my God, look at him. He's doing it.
And then he wasn't. But it was fun.
He's around. 20 Minutes of Tiger.
Yeah. Got to see his name for a little bit.
Scotty played like ass today. Well, Scotty, and this is how you know, when Scotty does his interviews and he says, you know, all I care about is my wife, my family, my relationship with God.
Like, none of this matters to me. I'm just a regular guy.
Most of the time when athletes say stuff like that, I think it's just a little cliche. They're putting it on thick.
Scotty's haircut, it's the facts. He only cares about those things because i don't know who cut his hair before but did you guys see it well i thought he looked good i think it was great did you see the sideburns though yeah he got a nice tan all fucked up yeah and he's got that's how you know you're a golfer when you he doesn't care though that's my point like there's no way that you go out looking like that if you care about other things like looks and everything else.
All right. So I thought the exact opposite of you with his haircut.
I thought Scotty definitely cares now. Scotty cares about his appearance.
He's trying to get his swag up. I thought he looked good.
He got the nice skin-tight fade. And when you're a golfer that spends that much time out in the sun and you not only have the hat tan line, but you've got the tan line from where all your hairs normally are on your head, and then they cut them too close, and you got that little bit of white back there.
Yeah, he kind of got the little bit of Hank on the sides. He got the skin tight fade.
Yeah, I thought he looked great. No, but it's the opposite with his sunburn and the lack of color there there because it means that he probably got a haircut last night

and no one gets a haircut right before the tournament.

Everyone knows a haircut takes at least five to seven days to settle in.

Right, but you're proving my point because Scottie's never been a haircut guy.

No, that's my point.

No, this is the first time.

No, that's my point.

This is the first time where he's like, I'm going to look good at the U.S. Open, so I'm going to get my hair cut the day before I play, meaning he's caring about all that other stuff now.
No, it means that he doesn't even think about, like when you get a haircut right before the U.S. Open, he's not even thinking about it.
He literally was just like, oh, I need a haircut. It doesn't matter what day it falls.
I don't care what i look like no i think i think he got the haircut to look good he doesn't look good though i think he looks okay he looks that's what he was thinking yeah yeah it was it was an attempt to look good and he's never been a swag guy so he doesn't have the experience to know that he's got to get that haircut three days before no he just and he went to jail like he's he's got that he's got that jail swagger like he does have a little bit of bad boy flair He's like, I gotta get a fade now There's no way you guys looked at his haircut and thought it looked good with the way the tan lines have worked out I thought the attempt at looking good, it perked me up I was like, wow, Scott I don't think it's an attempt at looking good because he's got a wife. She could be like, hey, it looks bad.
He just doesn't care. That's the whole point.
He doesn't care. I respect a fade always.
It wasn't even a fade. There's actually an official U.S.
Open barber named Monty the Barber. He cut the hair.
That's more to my point. He literally saw a free haircut.
Tommy Fleetwood. I'll show you guys right now.
The man saw a free haircut. Fleetwood I'll show you guys right now the man saw a free haircut I think he saw the guys on tour that have style and he's like I want to use their barber no he got a free haircut no this guy goes to every US Open since 2018 I understand but it's a free haircut you don't get a haircut it was free? No one who cares about their hair.
Does Tiger have hair? No, he doesn't. He's just hanging on.
Tiger called up that news reporter. This is crazy.
This is crazy. Add my name to that story.
I want Tiger Woods to be in the haircut story. Tiger being in there is just completely wild.
No one gets – if you're trying to look good, you don't get a haircut from a guy you don't get a normal haircut from. Unless you're a guy that's never been a haircut guy and you're only using the dude that cuts all the other players.
He's gotten a haircut before. Yeah, he does look great.
And I guarantee these guys pay for it. I mean, they probably tip.
This guy's getting to cut Monty the barber. You can't tell me Scotty cares about what he looks like if he's getting a free haircut the day before the U.S.
Open. I think he had a moment where he did care what he looked like, and he fucked up by getting it too close.
Yeah, the Oilers just scored. Wait, so you're admitting that it's a bad haircut if you say he fucked up i think it's uh it's not i just you just proved my point i didn't prove your point i said you he fucked up no i said that he might have gone too close because he's never been a haircut guy i appreciate the attempt by scotty but at the same time i'm like scotty's trying to look stylish it's it's not it did not look great the oilers maybe here.
4-3. Either way, that was a lot of Scotty Scheffler haircut talk.
I think the people will bear me out on this one. I think that Scotty was trying to do something.
Might not have worked out, but he made an attempt. He does not care.
He does not care what he looks like. I mean, he looks like a 50 year old man and he's 26.
He, that he cares

about God, his wife and golf. And he doesn't really care about golf.
Like he does, but he

doesn't. Cause he'll say that after a round, if he doesn't play well, he's like, I just care about

God and my wife. Haircuts are very low on his list of things that he cares about.
Uh, all right.

We had Trevor Lawrence got a new contract, $275 million. Thoughts? Whenever a quarterback signs a big contract, I always like to just jump ahead and think about the next contracts that are coming.
That's what you have to do when a quarterback signs for big contract. It's like, who gets more money now? Dak's going to get $300.
Oh, I cannot wait for the Brock Purdy discourse. Yep.
I can't wait for that contract to come up because, I mean, he's basically Jason Tatum, so he's a really, really, really good quarterback in the regular season. Hasn't won the big one yet.
Not necessarily the best player on his own team, but you're going to have to pay a quarterback, right? Yep. Yeah, I mean, this is – I still think Trevor Lawrence is a good quarterback.
He had a bad year. And you just – this is – when you think that you have the guy, and he might be the guy, but you have to pay him.
This is just the cost of doing business in the quarterback world. It just keeps going up and up and up.
And we won't make excuses during the regular season, but after it's over, I think we need to say that Trevor Lawrence was one of the more injured quarterbacks throughout the course of the season just in terms of like trying to play through stuff it came out a little bit but he's still a very good quarterback and i would i would love to have a quarterback on my team well no we have long term we have better quarterbacks i'm just saying if if if jayden daniels was as good as trevor lawrence even at that low bar of my expectation for jaden Daniels, I'd say lock him up. Hank, would you take Drake May or Trevor Lawrence? Trevor Lawrence.
Oh, really? I'd take Jaden. Oh, no, he said it.
He said it. I'd take Jaden, for sure.
I'd take Caleb, no questions. Not even a hesitation.
Hank's football team sucks. We do need to, Max, we do just need to get to the fall because he'll stop talking.
Someone tweeted last night, which I don't, I'm lying. I want it to happen.
What if Drake May is the Jason Tatum of, you know, a Markel Fultz, like the draft. He was the third pick.
So he'd never be the – so Drake May would never be the best player on the Patriots? Yeah, I mean, if they're winning championships, who cares? Okay. That's the Patriot way.
I learned that last night over and over and over again. It wasn't about how great Tom Brady was.
It was how great he was as a leader. He showed up every day.
He recognized everyone's name. That means it was about how great Tom Brady was.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was about how great Tom Brady was.
But all the players talked about how great he was. How great he was.
As good as he was a football player, he was a better guy. And that really stuck with me.
But that's still Tom Brady being being great and i very much disagree with that statement tom brady is one of those people who you can absolutely say he's a better football player than he is person i disagree how could you disagree well hank's basically his family did he try to make out with you it's not a slight on him hank he was he was staring at me though pretty he was looking through he was looking through my soul you think tom brady is at the top like 0.001 percent of people human beings 100 percent who's the goat person oh go pretty possibly possibly john daly yeah Bill, possibly John Daly. Yeah.
Bill Walton. Okay.
The other challenge now. Shout out to a pug.
Shout out, Pug. Way to go, Pug.
Pug also got tickets to the Cubs game. That has been resolved.
I had a pug is pug is now our official plug. He's he's pug the plug.
And if you need anything, you just ask Pug And then he'll ask for you He'll find the right person, get it for you Yes, absolutely Alright, so we're watching the last minute 49 Of the Oilers-Panthers game I really would love for the Oilers To tie this up So that we could get This would be such a bummer if we got two sweeps i know yep shut up hank not it's so quick pft like i actually was happy for him yesterday and and i love hank and it's his birthday and i love the guy um but as soon as i see him and he starts opening his mouth it it's like I don't know why I say I love him.

We just have to wait for football season.

Yeah, I think it's probably the most hated show of all time.

I realize I talked more in the beginning of the show

than I've ever talked in this show's history,

and I think the reviews and ratings are going to show that,

but that's fine.

We just got to get to September.

Once we get to September.

McGregor UFC canceled. Yep.
it felt like this was gonna happen yeah yeah that sucks probably should have known when we reverse jerry projokas nailed it we probably should have known we probably should have known this was gonna happen when mcgregor was was at the club like four weeks ago, like beyond fucked up up.

And oh, no, not an empty netter goal.

We should have known at that point, I think, PFT.

Yeah, it seemed like it for a while.

And when they're delaying, when they're canceling press conferences and weigh in, getting delayed and shit, it just it felt like it was never going to happen.

I want to know what actually went down, though. Yeah.
do they have some sort of reality show that's following ufc around uh i saw some clips of dana white i saw that clip where they told john jones that he was uh out for a year and that was that seemed like it was behind the scenes camera that might have been a rerun too that could have been yeah well no it's for injury not for suspension yes yes you see the writers really went went fucking dummy with that one yeah uh all right i had two last things uh one was dan hurley did a long interview with matt norlander from uh cbs and i wanted to share just a couple quotes with you guys because i thought it was very funny um the first one so it was just talking about his entire process, the whirlwind, everything that happened. The first one was, he was asked, did you seek out, did you seek out or try and seek out Mike Krzyzewski at all? Because he turned down the Lakers 20 years ago under different circumstances.
Dan Hurley said, no, I was so overwhelmed at a point, you know, I was a little paralyzed. I appreciate Dan Hurley basically saying, that was him saying, I knew that what Coach K was trying to do here, and I wasn't going to talk to the guy who was trying to set me up.
So that was nice. The other one that was great was he was talking about the process and running into people throughout it.
He talked to a great story about how outside the Billy Joel concert, he saw a woman that he, her husband, they were best friends growing up. And the woman was like, you're not LA, you're Jersey.
You can't, you can't do this. You can't leave.
Anyway, Matt Norlander said, wait, you were eating breakfast out in LA and people were coming up to you? And he said, yeah, driving by on bikes and double taking you, yelling something about the Lakers, like walking out of the workout room at the hotel the day I was meeting with them after getting my cardio in. And I'm literally rounding the corner and there's a med student, a UConn student who's there as part of a bridal party who's bending the corner and almost knocking to her.
And we kind of make eye contact. We both keep walking.
And then she recognized me and comes back, says, Hey, coach, I go to UConn. Don't go.
I'm here for a wedding. You're not going, are you? I know why you're here.
It was weird, just weird, weird stuff. Billy Football's interaction is definitely one of those weird, weird things.
He's one of the people yelling stuff at you. Yes.
Yeah, that's one of his. I was out there just trying to have a mimosa and tank a job interview, and next thing I know I got this guy who says he's a professional boxer with hands that could kill a man, and he was asking me questions about if I'm going to take the Lakers job.
And I just look at him and tell him to be quiet. And next thing I know, I'm getting linked to this job.
Next thing you know, it's being reported. And then the last one I wanted to say, which made me laugh.
He was asked about the Billy Joel concert. And the reporter asked, I want to stick on two more questions with Billy Joel concert one did you know who Trey Anastasia was when he came on were you remotely aware of the rarity of what was happening there any thoughts of Trey's guest spots with Billy and Dan Hurley said I was not I had no idea who that was so Fish he's a guitarist for Fish I love that I don't want Dan Hurley to know who fish is it's fucking perfect that he had no idea who trey was yeah that's classic coach shit where they don't like when belichick used to not understand what snap face or uh or the other one was i forget what he called like instagram uh but yeah i want my coaches to be as completely untethered from nature as possible right it's absolute psychos i have a i have a theory that i've been mulling over today about this whole dan hurley thing see if you can follow me on this one or if i'm just being like way over my skis uh esp announced today that jj reddick was now interviewing with the los angeles lakers for the head coaching position call me crazy i think i i read something about that like a week and a half ago when shams reported it dan hurley and woge are great friends do you think that there's any chance that woge was pissed off that shams beat him to a lakers story and then he called the lakers and was like what if you interview dan hurley i can I can get him on the phone.
That way Woj could get Dan Hurley out to LA, report that. Then after that was over, Woj could then break the news about JJ probably taking the Lakers job.
Okay, I like the thinking. It's a free thinking thought.
My only question would be, why would the Lakers willingly get embarrassed publicly

for just Woj?

Woj might have set this whole thing up.

Right, but

they didn't know.

The Lakers were

about to hire J.J. Redick, and then

I saw something that said

Go ahead.

I saw something

that Shams is clutching in clutch's pocket. Woj is in Palenka's pocket.
And Palenka used Woj about Hurley to give them leverage in the JJ negotiations. Okay.
Okay, that makes more sense. That could be possible.
But what I was saying is that maybe Woj kind of told the Lakers, like, I can deliver Dan Hurley to you. But Woj didn't fully win here because, like, did you see Shams doing a little bit of a victory lap saying he kind of went back at Woj and was like, yeah, they were going.
Dan Hurley was, I guess, the – or Dan Hurley was the first choice, I guess. Like, Woj – Shams was kind of dunking back on Woj because they didn't hire dan hurley yeah woge ended up not being right he just had a a week where he looked like he was getting it over shams well woge was right that they were interviewing dan hurley he didn't say that dan was going to get the job and if i was shams i would do the exact same thing because you had that story and then there was like a speed bump and now it's back to your story again i was i think hanks is more likely because if woge told rob palenka i can deliver dan hurley to you he goes out there jj palenka didn't want to give jj after the interview uh dan hurley said no thanks then woge had to be like oh my bad i thought he wanted this job he had to change the heart.
But what Hank's saying makes way more sense because Palenka wanted to pay J.J. less and LeBron wanted J.J., but they didn't want to seem like they were just going to hire whoever LeBron wanted.
They wanted to go out and say, hey, we're going to hire Dan Hurley. Also, Dan Hurley is a fucking awesome coach.
They probably wanted to hire Dan Hurley. Probably, yeah.
Yeah. That's probably the most likely explanation is that they wanted Dan Hurley.
He said no. Now they're going to go with JJ.
But what if Woj just controls the entire NBA? That could be true. I do love it, and there's no market for it, and they'll never be completely honest but it was like this with with Schefter and Rappaport and now it's Woj and Shams like I just love thinking about how mad they get oh yeah that stuff like when Shams is on ESPN saying like I guess like they're just reporters and there will never be an actual reality show for them and

they would never actually show how mad they are but like he was he probably threw something like that yeah that little comment that little comment got him as mad as anything could in the world and like rap port and shepter like that shit used to be so juicy and they would get so mad at each other and so many like sub sub shots and everything it's great and i remember i like i imagine when Woj first announced the Danny Hurley thing,

Shams was sitting in

his parents' couch. I think he still lives at home, parents' kitchen, and his mom was like, here's your breakfast.
She's like, no, mom, not right now. Like, I just missed a scoop.
Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome.
Like the John Clayton commercial, the ESPN commercial. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, Oilers just lost.
Panthers on the brink as well. We're going to get two sweeps.
This was the game that the Oilers were going to win if they were going to win a game because it was game three back in Edmonton. Did you see that Florida had flight problems? They didn't get in until late last night.
Edmonton had been there for two days. It's I just need more sports I need ready to learn dingers only buddy I need more sports right now and I do like baseball but it's too early for me to just only pay attention to baseball yeah baseball is a great sport to pay attention to with like 50 of your attention going to a different Well, I have one other sports story we could talk about.

Memes.

Aaron Rodgers.

He's just taking a week off.

So there's no problem.

There's so little of a problem,

we've had 15 stories about how there's no problem.

There's no problem. The problem is Robert Sala handled the situation wrong.
And it sounds like a problem. That sounds like a problem.
It's a problem, but it's not a problem. What does that mean? It's a riddle.
Yeah. Also, is he the only quarterback starting quarterback, who's not in minicamp right now?

Mandatory minicamp, yes.

Oh, that word mandatory you just used.

Yeah, what was that word?

What does that mean?

That's when teams can start finding players for missing OTAs. Interesting.

When I brought this up on the last show, you said it wasn't a problem at all.

You said this was a Florio wet dream.

Yeah. But then you just said right now it's half of a problem.
It is. You might be half Florio.
No. No, no, no, no.
Yeah. No.
You're sounding like a Florio right now. No, no, no.
They handled it wrong. The coaches handled it wrong.
The PR handled it wrong. That's a problem.

It is a problem, but it's not a problem.

Yeah, you're becoming a Florio.

So I'm very confused because everything you just told me sounds like there's a problem here.

There's no problem.

As long as he's there for week one, no problem.

So why are we talking about it then?

Because there's a bunch of yappers out there who just need something to talk about. Who started it, though? That'd be Bob.
Bob? Bob who? Bob Salah. That's the coach of the Jets.
That's the coach of the Jets. That's a problem.
I think, now, try to follow me on this one. I think Now try to follow me on this one I think that Bob Would not have talked about it being a problem If it wasn't a problem Right So then now we got a couple problems Maybe Bob's not the best speaker up there Which is bad for your head football coach that's a problem he must be a leader of men I've seen him do a few interviews he seems like a pretty good speaker I've seen him do a couple he's not the best speaker I think it's a problem I think there might be a problem there there's no problem he's fine he's probably like i don't know help at a charity event okay all right he's at like an he's at a charity event i want to follow this so he's at he's at a charity event uh for an organization that wants people to know as little about them as possible

so that's why aaron can't say what charity he's attending yeah it's under wraps right now he's working on some stuff and then it'll go public in the fall i do like i i kind of does he get like a bbl or something that would rock if he came back with a giant ass yeah uh someone put it perfectly this is a listener

cam Breslin one he said it's such

a non-problem that some are saying it's a problem. How much of a problem others are making it when it's not a problem? Yeah, it's not a problem.
But then it becomes a problem because people are making it so not a problem that it's crazy. People are talking about it as a problem.
That in itself is a problem. Things are almost too perfect, and then people are like, why is this going so swimmingly? That's an issue.
Now we've got issues. Like, the Jets' biggest problem might be that they have so many non-problems.
Yeah. They're making other teams jealous because they've got it so good.
Like, all they do is talk about how there's not a problem. When you see that, you got to think, well, is that a problem that there's just no tension whatsoever? I saw some people making the point that Tom Brady missed a few of these camps as well over the course of his career.
So it shouldn't be that big of a deal or a problem. That was also Tom Brady after he was winning Super Bowls with the team that he played with for years and years and years

with the same players that he played with for years and years and years.

Yes, Memes?

So that was on the Bucs.

Tom Brady missed two weeks.

Okay.

And then they won the Super Bowl after winning.

Yeah, but he told them.

Did he play more or fewer than five snaps for the Bucs that first year?

He played more.

I think he played the entire season.

Yeah, he won a Super Bowl.

So there's a difference.

But Tom Brady told the Bucs in advance,

and they said it was excused.

So people are saying that if Aaron Rodgers actually did tell them in advance

and then Robert Sala just went on the podium and blurred everything out on a Monday. You know what I'm saying? Everything you say just seemed – it's just a big blinking problem.
Yeah. That's all I see.
Every time you open your mouth, memes, just problem. He's fine.
He's fine. Who? Who? Aaron Rodgers is fine.
Oh, okay. Robert Sala just needs to shut up and we're fine got it hey can you take a picture of the side of your face to look at your haircut i i just felt a little no i just felt a weird little bump oh everything okay it was that you going to the doctor i don't know picture ignore me sorry wow that would i.
I mean, what a plot twist this episode would be. I know.
I know. Holy shit.
Holy shit. It'd be a real shame.
Memes and Max are just sitting there rubbing their hands together right now. Memes, don't fucking nod at that.
Jesus Christ, dude. He's fine.
Hank's fine, too. Aaron Rodgers fine, Hank.
Oh, no. Okay.
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Okay. Here we go.
We have Matt Barnes, Steven Jackson in studio. Okay.
We now welcome on two very special guests one recurring guest it is matt barnes stephen jackson the guys from all the smoke uh incredible podcasters first of all congrats thank you i know last time we had you on matt it was before all this yeah i was telling the nba i think yeah back in your guys new york days yeah 2017 so i mean let's start with the podcast you guys have like blown up what what i mean what's the big thing that has like resonated with people that you guys are like oh shit this is actually working we didn't really know what a podcast was at the time you know what i mean we just knew that we were both working at espn and fox and it was fun but you know it was kind of a straight line And he and I like to draw outside the lines, you know, most of our lives. So I pitched him the podcast idea.
He said, what is it? But I'm down. I was like, I don't know, but I'll figure it out.
And we met Brian Daly. Cole pitched him.
And they had just started Showtime Basketball, and Cole pitched him. He liked it.
And, man, we took off in our first season. We won sports podcast of the year wow pretty good wait who gave that out were we up for that if y'all didn't win it we it's not a real award if y'all ain't one of you no no i mean if you ever listen to this show we shouldn't win no we should definitely never win every day we wake up we're like how are we still allowed to do this yeah let's just do this were you guys surprised with how much work you had to put into it it's a lot it's a lot to get it off the ground um you know but as i was explaining before we got on the air we we bulk shoot so we'll you know we'll shoot probably every four to six weeks and we'll shoot you know in two or three days we'll shoot six seven eight shows and then just bank them and then as current events hit through any of our guests we'll blast that part but we still kind of have everybody slotted so to get it off the ground, it was just a lot, but I think now we kind of hit our rhythm.
You know, we're in our shit fourth or fifth season or fifth year, excuse me. And, you know, it's kind of like clockwork now.
Yeah. Where do you guys see it going from here? I mean, I'm looking around.
Yeah, I think I'm looking at the blueprint. Yeah, I'm looking around.
Yeah. That's why I'm just looking around, seeing the direction we're trying to get to.
This is it. Yeah, I mean, obviously congratulations to you guys and everything you guys accomplished in this space, and that's kind of our next goal.
You know, we went from one show to, you know, signing a multi-year deal with DraftKings and partnering with Metal Lark, and, you know, we put out five shows, Q1. So, you know, we built a whole production company out of this.
So kind of the direction you guys are going. own facility the smokehouse so yeah that's all i like the name so we're actually in la looking for buildings as we speak so we're you know we're trying to get there so it's good to obviously be here but then i'll have a blueprint yeah to see what you guys have going on do you guys still do you guys still hoop regularly or no i box oh yeah i don't that's a scary proposition yeah stay in shape.
Just to stay in shape. I think, you know, being an athlete, you got to do something because your body really starts to shut down when you stop, you know, when you stop being active.
So I just try to stay active in softball and boxing. That would be a good podcast.
Just go, like, three rounds with somebody and do, like, five minutes. Speaking of that, I have a boxing show called Fight Towns.
The new episode is actually dropping next week with Ben Avidez because he has a fight next week and Roy Jones. It's the first time they actually get a chance to meet and Roy Jones actually gets in the ring and teaches him stuff so it's going to be a dope episode.
I like that. Yeah, just fight your guests.
We're getting in the fight game. All the smoke fight.
Coming soon. Can you talk shit while you're boxing? It's kind of hard with the mouthpiece in.
Yeah. But I think breathing is way more important than talking shit in boxing.
Yeah. You ever want to fight in a rough and rowdy? We have a boxing league.
I would never do that. No? Not at 46.
If I would have started maybe in my 30s. I've been punched hard before in real life in real fights with bare knuckles.
And I know you can't play boxing. You have to really be in shape.
So I would never do it like a charity match or no, I'm not doing it. What if I told you that I talked to Tony Parker yesterday and he called you out? I would give Tony Parker a hug and say, Tony, you don't want these problems.
I would hurt Tony. Who's more likely to come on the podcast? Because I know you said that you would have Derek Fisher on.
Who's more likely, though, Tony Parker or Derek Fisher? Well, I mean, either one of them. Yeah? I'm at the point now where I'm more worried about success than people, right? So I don't have anything personal with any of them.
I have my opinions, of course, that I stand strongly on. But having them come on the show, I don't want to physically hurt anybody.
You know what I'm saying? I'm cool with disagreeing with people, but the respect going to remain the same. Have you had a guest on that you didn't like going into it? I haven't.
No. I don't think it's.
No. That's the next level.
I don't think we should have a guest that we don't like, though. Why? That's the disagreement.
It's fun to. I don't know.
Well, it got to be somebody that we respect at the same time. It can't be somebody that wants to disrespect us.
Yeah. We're going to beat the shit out of them.
Yeah, because we've had a lot of guests that have shown up and were like, we've said a lot of shit about you. And it gets interesting.
It gets interesting because we have to cop to all of it. You can't have someone on if you've said some shit and then not say it to them.
Not clear the air, right. I even feel like, I don't know how he is with it, but he wants to have Derek on.
I always feel a certain way, but since he feels like he wants Derek on, I'm cool with it now. I'm cool with having Kwame on the show.
I don't think he's cool with that. No, I don't mind that shit either.
So a lot of guys that we have words with, I don't physically want to hurt or be in contact with anybody. You know what I'm saying? We're going to disagree.
As men, you should be able to disagree. You know what I mean? But the respect should remain.
I just feel like life is too short, man, to dislike or hate or carry that energy. And I don't play fair.
So make sure you want to get into that with me that you're willing to be low. I'm going low.
Just saying Kwame's name, by the way. We cool now.
Let's not say it anymore because we're going to end up in one of his videos where he's sitting in his truck. Nah, we cool now.
We cool now. He loves going live.
And I love tuning into it just because you never know what the fuck Kwame's going to be talking about. But he's saying something with his chest.
You're going to be like, damn, I don't want to mess with Kwame. But he's definitely built something for himself now.
A lot of people watching, he got a great audience now, so salute to him. You know, we said his name and made him hot.
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So salute to him for taking advantage of it.
Hell yeah. Yeah, when he's like, meet me in a mutual combat state.
If it's a dude that knows which states are mutual combat states, that's the guy you do not want to mess with no but then again you you gotta remember kwame 610 280 living the country

lifting wood all day so that's a different type of strong yeah i love how you were talking about

derrick and and steven you were like i don't know like you're a good teammate you're like if he's in

i guess if you're cool with it that's fine but i'm going to be on high alert when that dude's here

i mean that's just how i am yeah i mean it's you know the funny thing about that shit is you know

with the teammate you're like if he's in i guess if you're cool with it that's fine but i'm going to be on high alert when that dude's here i mean that's just how i am yeah i mean it's you know the funny thing about that shit is you know when the alter after the altercation went down that following summer that happened at the beginning of the season that following summer you know my kids were cool and and were you know cared about him and that's what kind of just made me because i was over the situation i could have been cool or i could have been beef for life i wasn't really tripping and my sons my sons are just like, you know, I'd always ask my sons, you know, how is it? How's it going? They're like, you know, we love this. So, you know, I pulled him to the side and we had a conversation like, hey, man, I'm still in the league.
You know, we had our issues. This is why I did what I did.
He explained his side. And then, you know, we were cool.
I even told him, like, you know, you're going to see my kids more than me because I'm still playing. You know, you got to teach them how to be men and principles and morals and if that makes sense.
You know, all kinds of – Yeah, that don't make sense. You know what I mean? So just kind of like, you know – You do the morals.
You'll do the morals. Just kind of be that father figure while I'm gone.
You know what I mean? So, I mean, I say all that to say, like, we ended up squashing and we've been cool the last – however long ago, like, we just were funking for eight months. Yeah.
I mean, you are a really good friend, Steven. I do think now that we're so far removed from the malice of the palace, and, you know, obviously it was unfortunate, but your take from all of it was, like, I'm a really good teammate.
I'm a really good friend. Do you think people have, like, come around to that where it's like, that's a guy you just want to ride and die with? People that actually know me that doesn't have anything personal against me see it that way.
Yeah. Right? That they actually know me.
People on the outside that just see me running up there and punching the fan, they don't know that I've never been in a fight in the NBA game. They don't know that I've never been in trouble in my life before that incident, right? You just look at me like, this guy's a troublemaker.
No, I'm just a loyal friend. And I would be that to anybody that I rock with.
So, I mean, like I said, it depends on how my friend is. I'm loyal to a fault

sometimes, you know what I'm saying? But I'd rather be loyal

to a fault than not loyal at all.

Are we friends? Yes, we buddies.

Fuck yeah.

No one better step to me.

Just for the record.

The Indiana Fever need to sign you as like an assistant

coach and have you just looking out

for teammates.

That's what we said, where are teammates at? Is she not on good terms with her teammates? Because that was the weird part to me was nobody really seemed to have her back in that. I remember when Greg Popovich, we were playing my second time in San Antonio, and he was like, we was playing the Clippers, and they were just throwing lobs and they just dunking.
And he was like, I need you to go in the game and give me a little nasty. I'm like, what you mean, Pop? As soon as they throw a lob to DeAndre Jordan, don't even go for the ball, just take him out.
And I went up, and DeAndre Jordan, you know, he jumps probably like 20 feet higher than me. So when I jumped up to stop, I didn't even go for the ball, just hit his arm and stopped the lob.
And Pop was like, yeah, we need that. Tim was all happy.
And DeAndre came up to him like, bro, don't do that shit no more. He said, bro, coach sent me in the game just to do it.
And he kept tapping, like, OK, good job, bro. Pop used to send people in games just to bring nasty.
You know what I'm saying? Because you got to protect your stars. That's what you're there for.
You don't want Tim. Tim goes down, our whole season is over.
Kaitlin goes down, your season is over. You're already struggling.
You got to be somebody to go in there and be the enforcer. They need that in the box.
Charles Oakley, guys like that. You need guys like that.
They need a nasty, yeah. Just like how many nasties did you have tonight? Draymond Green, you need a guy like that.
Well, Greg Poppins said that. Every championship team needs a Draymond game, needs a Ron Artest.
You gotta have that one guy. It's, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I always think like when I look at a guy like Draymond, it's finding a guy who will always live kind of on the edge.
And you can deal with every now and then him going over the line as long as he can stay on that edge more often than not. And it can't be your most talented guy.
It has to be the guy that you can... What's the word I'm looking for? That you can...
I'm trying to find a word. It's early.
It's early. Yeah, we should have said that from the start.
He's just a guy that you actually don't need him in the fourth quarter. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Well, they need Draymond on the fourth quarter. Yeah.
I'm saying, but he got to be a guy that's risky, that can take risks. That's what I'm looking for, that can take risks.
Right. Because some games, Draymond might not be there in the fourth quarter.
Right. He might get kicked out in the third, but what he did in the third to get kicked out might be important for you to win the game in the fourth quarter.
I think what made him great is his ability to walk that line. And like you said, sometimes you step over that line and you'll take it.
I think he started to realize that as an individual, because he's very intelligent, like, damn, I'm stepping over that line a little too much. You know, past season, you know, I'm costing my team.
His talent was the bullshit besides defense. Yeah.
His talent was the nonsense. That's true.
Now, can you have two of those guys on a team? No, no. Have you ever been on a team where there were two of those guys? Yeah, me and Ronald Tess.
Yeah, you walked in. Me and Ronald Tess.
That's a good point. Yeah, exactly.
You see what happened. Did you walk in in the locker room? You're like, wait, hold on.
There's two of us? Like the Spider-Man thing? Yeah, right. Like, what the fuck? Well, I start seeing that as the season.
I'm like, hold the season I'm like hold up man one wrong situation with this team it's gonna go down yeah one of my favorite quotes is from uh from big John Thompson he said you can win a championship with one of those guys you need one of those guys for a championship if you have two of them they'll get you fired yeah no question might not work with two one yeah you definitely want yeah uh when you guys first the – because tell me if I'm wrong, but like an NBA locker room, I think when we're watching as fans, we're like, oh, these guys are on the team together. They're all best friends.
That's obviously not the case. There's a million different personalities.
But some guys do become best friends. Yeah.
When you guys first walked into the locker room together, was there something that connected you where you're like, oh, yeah, we're going to be friends for a while. I saw his lips and I knew he smoked.
We got them whiskey lips. It just were weathered and dark.
Cognac lips. It was weathered and dark.
I was like, oh, he smokes. I'm going to fuck with him.
It was weathered. He got traded to our team at the trade deadline.
Right before the trade deadline, I think the end of January. We were struggling at the time and and we wanted to shake things up, and they brought him, Al, and I think Sharunas.
I was scarred up too. Yeah, Jack was just fresh off an NBA strip club shootout, you know what I mean? So he needed to reload.
He's in the witness protection program. They sent him to Oakland.
And as soon as he walked in, I'm just like, oh, because we played together for years, but never real, no interaction. But as soon as he walked in, I looked at his lips like, together for years but never real no interaction but as soon as he walked in i looked at his lips like he smokes and from that day i looked at oh yeah that's the one that's my friend right there i mean that can't be that uncommon though i feel like in professional sports in general especially now things have changed a little bit like back back when you guys were playing it was it was you know a very common thing but it wasn't as socially acceptable to be like outwardly yeah smoke weed yeah but nowadays it's like yeah in the nfl they kind of pulled back the drug you don't like something wrong with you if you don't i think i mean i think that during our career and even though we were risking i over half the league was smoking i would say probably even more reports 60 or 70 percent but you know they they kind of changed and i well you know when i retired and one of our other brothers al harington, retired, we were flying to New York to talk into the NBA and the MPPA and tell them they needed to do more in-depth studying because there was no study on the positive benefits at the time.
It was just the gateway and all the old shit from the 80s that everyone was sticking by. So, you know, the NBA started looking into it.
The MPPA started looking into it, and the doctors still butted heads. They finally came a conclusion and understood you know the benefits of the plan and i think starting in the bubble during covid is when they stopped testing and then after that the shit was gone so you know although we missed out on it you know we've you know we we kind of take pride in the fact that you know we were someone to help push the lines and luckily this this next generation doesn't have to i mean at the end of the day we were risking out you know our career, risking a lot of money to do that.
But, you know, there was no alternative for us. And it is – I mean, we have a lot of friends who are NFL players or ex-NFL players.
It's like they got to a point in their career like, I don't want to take these pills that they keep describing us. Like, let me just smoke.
Yeah. And, like, that will deal with the pain a lot better.
Even with Jake Plummer now with,

uh, with,

with his company,

I'm going with the mushrooms.

We went out there.

He also did too.

Yeah.

Got an episode coming with him.

Oh,

nice.

He's the best.

Very educational.

Like to the point where I'm taking the drops and stuff every day,

even the stuff to sleep.

Yup.

But I didn't know anything about it until we went down and talked to Jake,

you know,

about the,

the,

um,

before he was just throwing them in his mouth and chewing them.

Yeah.

No,

this wasn't the healthy one. Yeah.
That's what I'm one yeah that's okay yeah did you guys go to his farm yeah yeah we did too where you're just like you're like are we in the right place did you have some space cheetos uh I don't know I think it was it was all main tacos we had mine yeah we had that too uh I'm trying to remember the reishi yeah that's his favorite mushroom he talked about how it like in the earth to the other mushrooms It's trippy stuff What is the place, I didn't even cut you off What was the place we went to called? Humboldt Did you go to the Yurk They take you to his buddy's house that has the TP You guys got way better We went to the Yurk I think they thought we were cops They saw Big they looked at Big Cat's mustache, and they're like, this guy might be the police. That just ruined my day.
He definitely gave us the narc tour. We're going back.
We're going to show them the real stuff. Kept it very surface.
We're going back. I'm going back to see what it's really, really like.
He's doing very cool stuff, and he's just a cool guy, too. Super good guy, right? I think our episode with him drops soon.
Yeah, so you brought up. Got some Coors lattes over here.
Yeah, some Coors bites. We got an octopus and formaldehyde over there, if you want to take a look at that.
It's everywhere. Like a really cool 13-year-old's bedroom.
Yeah, exactly. I take that as a compliment.
I think. I think.
You were talking about the bubble and how they kind of changed the rules in the bubble. They didn't really have a choice because they're like, we've got these guys pretty much trapped in here.
We have to let them at least smoke weed. And you got to think, I don't know how long the break was, but I think it was like four to six weeks off, and I was already out, but guys didn't know what was going on.
So a lot of them partook, and I'm just thinking like, yo, if you start testing guys when you come back in the bubble and you got some star players not able to play while you're in the bubble because of this bullshit rule, it's going to look really bad. So I think they kind of looked big picture like, okay.
And like you said, they were locked in there. You know what I mean? So they had to give them something to do, and that was one of them.
Yeah. What helped J.R.R.
Smith, I think the whole time he was in the bubble, I got a call from him probably 7, 8 every morning, him by his bathroom window, venting to me about how much he hate the bubble

and we smoking together every morning.

That's the way he survived during the bubble, waking up and smoking

and calling me on FaceTime, bro, I can't wait to get out of here like he was in jail.

Yeah, and it's interesting because when you guys play in the league,

I feel like the transition between, or maybe it's not a transition,

but the realization that the players have had in the last 20 years, they realize that they have the power in this league. In the NFL, it's different.
You've got 53-man rosters. You've got guys that are interchangeable.
But in the NBA, the players, especially the star players, but really it's everyone, the players have all the power in this dynamic. And I don't know if there was a moment that kind of woke people up to that,

if you're in the league, or if it was just a gradual realization.

I think that was David Stern's goal, to create individual stars within a team game.

He always wanted to promote stars because he knew that's what would grow the league.

But it was also, you know, we kept the team mentality around it,

so they would promote the individual guys, but it was still the team.

And, you know, obviously with, you know, 12, 13 guys and no helmets on,

you're still in the mix even if you don't play.

You know what I mean?

Thank you. around it so they would promote the individual guys but it was still the team and you know obviously with you know 12 13 guys and no helmets on you're still in the mix even if you don't play you know what I mean so there's still opportunities but now more than ever I mean these kids are you know businesses before they even step into the NBA now so you know it promotes a lot of which is weird it's a fine line to be able to promote individuality and individuals within a team space and I don't think football is getting better at that because there's social media now, but it's still more of an us, and we can actually be – us as a team, we can actually be individuals but still be with the team concept.
Yeah. Do you think super teams are kind of dying? Because it does feel like this, especially these playoffs, with the Suns going out, the Clippers going out you see a lot of teams like you know the success of the nugget or the uh wolves the mavs and i know kyrie got you know that was an addition but like the mavs and the celtics both have been maneuvering never doing the like all right we got one big star let's bring two other big starts you think it's kind of dwindling down I think so.
Yeah. With players like Anthony Edwards coming in the league, being one of those guys that approaching the game with that attitude, that old school attitude, and not really want to team up with guys, want to build their own, I think the super team is definitely dying.
Yeah. And I think the big man is coming back, too.
The two, having two big men. Versatile big man.
Yeah, the versatile big man, I think that's coming back as well. Yeah, I definitely think it's more back on strategy and management

and drafting right and trading right

and this next generation. You know, that

super team was something that our generation

wanted to do, you know what I mean? And I really credit

LeBron for kind of being the first guy

to make the superstar to kind of make that jump.

Like, I don't have to stay in this organization my

entire life. I don't want to.
So he kind of, I think,

opened up the floodgates for

stars to start moving, but I think that was more kind of

what our guy, you know, as you just

Thank you. Like, I don't have to stay in this organization my entire life.
I don't want to. So he kind of, I think, opened up the floodgates for stars to start moving.
But I think that was more kind of what our guy, you know, as you just mentioned, all those guys, like none of them made the playoffs. They made the playoffs.
It was in and out. You know, those kind of teams, those really, I look at those as kind of like those weight builders that only lift their upper body and their legs are like this.
Yeah. Like you got a really heavy top three.
Yeah. You got a really heavy top three and you don't have any depth.
So now it's more important about depth and drafting and trading right and i kind of see going somewhat back to the old nba style as far as you have to build your team through the draft and trades i think it's going to be like that initially but i get the feeling that uh the super teams that we see right now that have been constructed in the last five years they're all from like a certain generation yeah it's kind of older guys, guys that are maybe at the second half of their career. Right now we've got so many young stars in the league.
If we wait five, ten years, they might start to do that too. Without a ring, you get desperate.
Without a ring, then you start thinking about it. But right now I think as we're looking at the NBA, the talent is concentrated in like the mid to late 20s for the younger guys.
I would say even earlier. I would say early 20s to mid-20s is like the 26 and under, that's Tatum, Anthony Edwards, Luka.
Luka even called Kyrie old the other day. I think Kyrie is, what, 32-ish.
You know what I mean? So I think that young wave is middle 20s and they're strong. So I really feel like we've seen this year kind of the passing of the torch.
Yeah. All the great players you name, none of these – Steph, LeBron, KD, none of these guys made waves in the playoffs this year.
It was all younger-led teams. Yeah.
Still entertaining. Yeah, very entertaining.
Very entertaining. You guys think there's a problem in the NBA with coaches? Speaking of the super teams, like like the lakers obviously fire their coach sons fire their coach where these sometimes it feels like the players

basically if there's uh if it's disappointing season there's just no blame on themselves

yeah and it's just the coach is the one like hey you're out well because before coaches used to

have really when we came in league coach had the authority it was they were the highway and now

players make so much money it organizations can't expend players like that it has to be the coach

See you in the perfect example. On the coaches or on the players? Excuse me, on the players.
Because perfect example, you can't just blame Darvin Ham for that situation and fire him and just bring another coach in with no experience just because Braun didn't win a championship. Nah, it's the player's fault.
Any other time, any other time, when Jokic lose, when any other team loses, it's the Stars' fault. The Stars, they didn't play well.
They didn't do this. They talk about Anthony Edwards, why the Minnesota lost, because he didn't play like he was playing against Denver.
Soon as the Lakers lose, they blame it on the coach. I hate it.
The Stars, you have to be responsible because just when you win, the Stars get all the credit. They don't give the coaches the credit.
They give it all to the stars. He played well.
He carried the team. When the team loses, you've got to take the same responsibility.
And I don't think the players do that no more. It might be a lot about the star players just not liking the coach.
And you don't want a superstar athlete that's not in a good position mentally, that hates going to work every day. I don't think you're going to get the most production out of him, but that's kind of where we're at right now.
You saw when Anthony Davis said, I think, was it during the playoffs or was it playing or wherever they are, or turned it into the season. It's like, there was times out there we didn't even know we were doing it.
We didn't know we were running. I was like, oh, Darwin had it done.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Like when your players start, your stars start speaking up like that.
And I feel like it happens so much faster though now. Like you even saw it with the Bucs this year.
They fired their coach, what he was what 33 and 13 or something it's insane it's like oh is it because i'm not saying it's because you honest didn't like him but it does feel like the threshold for firing a coach is if your star player's like oh i don't really like him it's like all right well that's time is different you know perfect example you get kobe getting coming to the press conference after they lose it's gonna be a great something we gotta work right now you know what i'm saying work starts right now for next year instead of guys coming to the press conference after they lose, it's going to be a great something. We got to work right now.
You know what I'm saying? Work starts right now for next year. Instead of guys coming to the press conference, well, you know, we had guys heard this.
You know, my team, it wasn't there. I only can do so much.
Like, that's not the way. That's the approach now instead of having an approach like Kobe.
We just got to get back to work. We'll be back next year.
Yeah. You know what I mean? And this is just a different approach to the game.
My favorite is when they say, I don't want to make excuses, and then they make like six excuses. Yeah, yeah.

I don't want to make excuses, but my wrist hurts.

Part of the game.

Yeah, it is part of the game.

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Yes. Although the players are more powerful.
It's called buying in. Yeah.
You know, I think the hardest thing now as a coach is coming into a locker room with guys that are making millions and millions of dollars and gaining that respect. You know, you have to have the respect of the locker room, no matter what your past is, what you're, you know, what you've done, what you've accomplished, like being able to go into the locker room and get everyone's respect is the key.
And communicating. feel like there's we have a shift in coaches right now you're seeing a lot more former players coming in the nfl i like that nba because to me it's i mean although x and os are always gonna be important now it's being able to communicate because this next generation that's coming came up different than we did a lot more coddled and and given a lot of things so if you ruffle their feathers you know you're of here.
So it's not so much like kissing ass, but it's just being able to have someone that can still communicate with that younger generation but still get the job done. Talk your language.
Jason Kidd and Kyrie. Yes.
Kyrie seems to be a different dude this year. At peace.
I think he's very much at peace. I heard him talk about, obviously this is going to air during the finals, so we don't know what's happened so far but i heard him talk about um just how he's approaching the series against boston and how mature he sounded when he said it i was like is this the same kairi from from the nets he seems to have made a complete change and i think a lot of people are giving credit to jason kid obviously kairi's matured on his own a little bit it seems like but yeah having a guy that that has been there done that the speaker language i feel like just having that connection goes a long way so there's a lot of stuff that goes into a successful franchise a good team what are the differences that you guys have seen between a functional NBA organization like from the top down and a dysfunctional one well for me as soon as you in, you can tell what organization is used to winning

and what organization doesn't know how to win. That's easy to tell.
You know, when I went to Charlotte, I could tell that they were still trying to figure out how to win. When I sat in San Antonio, it was a structure.
Everybody's professional. Everything's on time.
They're used to winning. They have the motto to win.
You know, they understand about winning. And it's easy to see when you walk in an organization.
You can tell a team that's been winning, that's won championships by the coach,

how the coach is and and how they run everything from the top to bottom. You can go into a place like Charlotte, you can tell they're looking for somebody to come in and bring this winning feel back.
It's easy to see when you walk in the organization. I think it starts at the top, absolutely, with ownership.
It trickles down to management, to coaches. Some teams, I I'm going to cut you off, but some teams you don't even know who the owner is.
Don't see them. So you think the coach is basically running the team.
That's interesting. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you don't even – I've been to several teams where I don't even know who the owner is.
Yeah, we went – you know, we played on that Warrior team, that We Believe team in, you know, 06, 07. And we played with the Warriors then, and that was an organization that was still trying to figure it out.
Owners didn't really really know what they're doing fast forward. I went back 10 years later With the 17 team that already won a championship and you just see and when I tell you we walked in You felt the energy on the days off guys wanted to be in there when we traveled for the playoffs They got private jets for our whole family They take care of hotels feel like you don't have to worry about tickets food travel for your family Like all they want you to do is focus on basketball And you know i was blessed to play for the lakers and the clippers i played for the clippers two times the first time we were practicing at a fucking junior college where you had to leave the back doors open so they didn't break into your car next time around we have our own practice facility and in the plane and everything is set up so i mean it really starts i feel like it starts at the top with ownership and how much they really want to pour into this team yeah i always am shocked when an owner like when when a rich guy buys a team and then just starts cheaping out on it yeah it's like what you have billions what's the point you bought the team right why wouldn't you want the team to be good it's not just owning i would be so mad if i owned a team and they just sucked all right yeah like i i feel like the purpose yeah speaking of that clipped is on uh right now in hulu i was i was a consultant on that project.
That was our 2015 team with Donald Sterling when his mistress recorded them and leaked the tapes. Yeah, I don't know.
I was on that team at the beginning of that year. Oh, really? Yeah, he was.
Yeah. What happened? Chris Paul broke his hand.
He got clipped. Yeah, I got clipped.
He broke his hand and had to get rid of somebody to bring another point guard in. And I was on a 10-day.
How fucked up was that situation? That was my last year. I can imagine.
I retired right after that. You probably hated going to work for that guy, right? To be honest with you, you know what's funny about that situation when people ask? It was never about him because he was never really – he came to games, but he never thought like, yeah, we're playing for Donald Sterling.
It was more like we had a good group of guys and we were playing for each other. So he never really came into the picture until the bullshit was leaked.
He was always there and you know for me out of respect it was I never had no awkward encounters he never said nothing crazy to me because there ain't no telling what would have happened but I was just always high and by his wife was very respectful obviously we saw the mistress there and she thought she ran the stable center which was crazy and my ex-wife almost had to put hands on her you know but it was just it was a circus but we didn't allow his circus to to trickle down into our locker room so it was really never about him yeah did you text blake when he retired i did all right good guys that's big cat my big cat yeah you're big cat yeah you told us that last time yeah no blake great dude man and definitely a hall of fame career and uh really really happy for him that you know he was able to play out as long as he won i wish he would have won a championship but it's crazy because like they're hanging on like jamal crawford's gone jj's gone about to get the laker job blake just retired who knows the cp it might be time for cp to retire so like kind of the last deandre's over in denver deandre's just gonna keep like i'm gonna look at a bench in the playoffs and just be like wait is that deandre jordan yeah that's what i did this year he's such a great vet you know i mean such a good guy great energy team guy so you know and he found a good spot that still credits that you know we've always spoke that we feel like the nba definitely still needs veterans yeah you know teams are so young now with no it's a blind leading the blind but when you're able to find a good veteran you talk to any guys that are done or guys on their way out like man the game has changed we came in the game there was guys that were 30 you know 38 39 40 some contributed on the court but they all contributed off the court in a certain way to help you guide and dodge the potholes get your suits together all this kind of shit now it's you know remember at one point Steph was the oldest player on the Warriors and he was 32 right it was just like you know this although they were a great organization this is just really young it's a young game now so who were those guys for you when you guys first came in the league uh for me, my first year I got lucky with being with Stephon Marbury. He embraced me and then I went to the Spurs and got Steve Smith.
So those two guys mentored me, showed me how to be a professional, showed me what the league was going to be like and I think that was the best thing for me because I was like a chicken with his head cut off just trying to figure it out. I would say my guy was Chris Webber yeah yeah he was someone that you know I'm from Sacramento and he was with the Kings at the time when they were the big Laker Kings rivalry I was going to school UCLA but every summer I would work out with him and he'd put his arm around me then I end up going to the Kings and he and I get traded to Philly together and and in my first time with Allen Iverson and you know obviously super dope and just kind of being able to see that what that lifestyle is and be like.
But I really say kind of Chris Webber on and off the court as far as business and basketball. Yeah.
I want to say Steve Curtin, he spoke life into me in San Antonio, like for confidence-wise. Really? Yeah, yeah.
I was young and pop used to take me out to games earlier. Like when I make a mistake, he'd take me out real early and I'm trying to figure out why, you know what I'm saying, when everybody else was making mistakes.
And I used to come out of the game cursing everybody out, just frustrated, you know, trying to figure out why. And he used to always come down, like, you're going to get back in the game.
Stay focused. You're going to make big shots.
Nobody else was making big shots. And he kept telling it to me all year, to the playoffs and the Western Conference Finals, I hit all the big shots.
You know, I kept hitting those big shots. But he was somebody that kept speaking life into me, you know, when Pop was taking my confidence.
That's awesome. Speaking about San Antonio, maybe it's because of the guy he is and he's not the flashiest, but it does feel like as we go farther away from Tim Duncan retiring, people just forget how awesome he was.
I argue people down with it all the time. It's crazy.
He was so good, and he just doesn't get the respect. Because it wasn't flashy.
Yeah. He didn't talk his game.
He just showed up. And when you look at the stats, when you talk about greats, if he's not in the conversation, then you don't know basketball.
Yeah. He really was.
He did everything well. And also, he doesn't get credit for being one of the most ready-to-go pieces that's ever been put on a team.
Exactly. They won a championship his second year.
All around All around. It was just like, oh, he's second year.
Oh, he's this guy already? It seemed like he was winning the championship every two years. What's his record in the finals? Five out of seven? Five and six, something like that? They lost the Heat, obviously.
And then what was the other one they lost? It might be five and one. Five and one.
I think so. They won 5 out of 6, I think.
I think so. Yeah, I think they won 5 out of 6.
Yeah. That's crazy.
And he just doesn't – it is because of, like, his flashiness and his game. Like, you know, he wasn't hitting big threes or big dunks.
Look at the stat sheet. Yeah.
Every single night. 20, 29, 8.
All around. Yeah.
Hank just sent over some pictures of the cast of Clipped. How do you think they did with you, Matt? They did a great job.
It's my homeboy, Sharunas. Yeah.
So he's kind of similar to me. Everyone's always kind of said we look alike.
So they cast it really well with that. What did he say? He's doing me a favor.
Yeah, he's doing you a favor by playing you. Now they they cast it well.
I mean, they got Ed O'Neal, Al Bundy for Donald Sterling. They got Lawrence Fishburne to play Doc.
The lady that plays V, his mistress, is really dope, looks just like her. And then the lady that played Shirley, or that's her name, Sterling? Shelly looks just like her, talks just like her.
So I thought they casted. Some of the players casting, like Blake's casting was kind of funny to me, and CP's casting because it's the dude from, what show was he on? What's the racy show on Starz? The strip club show.
You should have just gotten Cliff Paul. Strip club show on Starz.
Yeah, yeah. Did you sit down with the dude that was playing you? Yeah, yeah.
I already know. consulted on the project so the the the project came about from ramona shelburne uh shout out ramona at espn she did a 30 for 30 for espn on just the sterling the sterling affairs and kind of the growth of the clippers and everything and it won some awards and it got so popular that fx took took her podcast and turned it into an actual script when you guys saw the transcript from his like court filings, did you all do a reading? I didn't do a deep dive into it.
Like I said, I just kind of knew and heard. I've had a lot of, like I almost had my high school burned down by the KKK.
So this old rich white man talking about black people the way he did, I was just like, this is probably the norm. He's just the only one dumb enough to get caught.
You know what I mean? I like it goes on more so to me it wasn't a huge deal but for some guys on my team it was a big deal some guys really hurt some guys cried some guys didn't want to play some guys were like really fucked up by it but you know to me it was okay it's unfortunate but what's next yeah did you ever read the part where uh where he was talking about the woman in the backseat of the car uh-uh oh you haven't seen that one what happened okay i'm gonna what happened? Okay, I'm going to pull it up right now. Maybe the best transcript from court filing ever.
I'm going to have to read this for you out loud here. Okay, so this is Donald Sterling.
Well, I fool around sometimes. I do.
When a girl seduces me and tells me all these hot stories and dirty things and tells me how much she wants to suck on me and take my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me. When I'm in a limousine, she takes all of her clothes.
The limo driver said, what's going on? And she started sucking me on the way to Mr. Coon's house.
And I thank her. I thank her for making me feel good.
Then the lawyer. Sir, the question was, is this your handwriting? He kind of talks like a Neanderthal.
Like, so thank you for feel like he's just. You suck me.
Thank you. Good feel.
He was special, man. Oh, my God.
So you mentioned J.J. getting the Lakers job, which isn't official, but it feels like it's moving that way.
Do you think he's going to have some success? I'm okay with it. I think J.J.
has a great basketball mind. I think he's very creative.
But, again, I think he can bridge that gap of communication with younger and older players. And JJ can be an asshole when he needs to be.
So I don't think – I mean, he's a douchebag. He's from Duke.
You know what's funny is I used to think JJ would be a cocksucker and I wouldn't fuck with JJ. He's one of my closest friends post-career.
We played together twice. I was just like, this guy's the old Duke stigma.
I wouldn't fuck with JJ. JJ was so cool.j is really cool and like i said i i think he's someone that's not gonna be afraid to stand up and bark at lebron if needed uh because like i said the most important thing is going in there and gaining that respect now whether people think lebron ushered a man or whatever i'm okay from a standpoint of a beatboxer over here i just feel like the nba always recycles the same coaches that ain't winning shit anyway so, fresh blood.
I mean, should your first job be with the Lakers? Who knows? That's not up to me. But I think, you know, I think JJ, if he is able to get that opportunity, I'm definitely looking forward to see what he can do.
Wait, so do you disagree? I love JJ. Solid dude.
One of the coolest I ever met. But it's a lot of privilege going on.
What kind of privilege? A lot of privilege. White or LeBron privilege? Yeah, it's definitely white and LeBron privilege.
It don't get no better than that. Those are two privileges.
You guys have the strongest privileges you get. Those are the two privileges, bro.
Only privileges above those are like the police union and the teachers union. There's not much.
Federal. After that.
CIA. Cool.
Fed, you're good. That's the only thing higher than that.
But, yeah, I mean, that's a lot of privilege going on there. You got a lot of guys that's been going through these – on these NBA teams doing these little coaching programs for the last five, six years, sitting behind the bench, doing coaching, doing everything they're supposed to do to get an opportunity.
And they're not getting these opportunities. They don't have a podcast with LeBron.
But that happened first, so you knew it was coming. You knew it was coming.
I mean, who – It was the setup. And how are they cool? When have you ever seen them cool? This is all a play.
We're not dumb. We have a lot.
I'm first team all common sense. But it's a lot of privilege in that because I know a lot of players that's been coaching in the NBA that had an opportunity.
It didn't go good because they got – their first opportunity was a trash team and it looked like they couldn't coach. Now they're just assistant coach for the rest of their career.
They don't get this opportunity, the first place to go, where they're coaching LeBron James and Anthony Davis. So it's a lot of privilege there.
But it's nothing against J.J. I love J.J.
He was one of my favorite teammates when I was with the Clippers. I spent some good times with him.
But it's a lot of privilege there. Yeah, J.J.
is a great dude. He's been on the show a bunch.
He actually used to be my neighbor. And we like to just call him a douchebag to his face.
I feel like he's kind of, it's almost like the mafia going real. Like, oh, they have a real business now.
People forget he went to Duke and he was a dickhead. Like, we got to remind.
He does it on purpose, though. Everything is calculated with JJ.
On first take, I think he's playing – I actually think he's playing a wrestling character. I gave him credit for it.
I was like, I think you're a genius how you're doing this because people get so angry at it. He's speaking for the players, too.
That's why I love it. Yeah.
Yeah. I think he'll do well, but the one thing I'm worried about for J.J.
is, like, LeBron's – he's not young, so what's the plan when LeBron is done or when he wants to finish somewhere else? I don't know. You're signing up for something that – are you going to be there when he's gone? I guess LA always – the Lakers always get a start.
That's always a hot seat, but to me it's hard. How do you pass up? Because, again, I'm cool with him.
You know, he told me he had opportunities last season to coach, and I'm fresh out. I kind of want to figure it out, spend time with my family, my kids.
You tried my kids you tried to bring him as assistant in boston no he tried he told me he had some head opportunities okay so um but what i mean how do you turn that if that is right you can't turn down the laker job yeah i feel like there's a lot of stuff that goes into coaching that's not just the x's and o's basketball iq stuff behind the scenes stuff like you were talking about a functional organization, everything running on time, the schedules and all that stuff. So that's going to be a big blind spot for him.
He's a smart guy, so I'm sure he's going to talk to people and try to figure it out. But to me, it seems like there's a lot that goes into coaching that's not just what you see on the court.
No free time. Yeah.
No free time. But also I think it's important for him if he does get the job, which I hope he does, to hire a good staff around him.
Yeah. You know, mix in maybe a couple old Gs and invest, but then also guys fresh out to kind of – because guys fresh out still understand what this next wave of kids are about.
Yeah. Yeah.
What's – from your guys' perspective, what's the one thing that like NBA fans get wrong about how the league works or how the game works? Like the thing that you just see all the time and you're like, that's just not – i just think how hard it is you know i mean if you think about it there's been less than 5 000 guys to ever play in this league so the last guy on the bench is amazing anywhere else but maybe just that situation you know maybe it's the right time right situation but i just think the talent level i don't think fans appreciate and respect the grind and the hard work not just basketball but professional sports in general you know now that we have a 24 7 365 new cycle or then there's no no everything is front street I just don't think fans appreciate the grind and you know you got a better chance of being struck by lightning than being in the NBA you know what I mean so I just think how hard it is to make it and how good every player in that league no matter if he has a bad season season or is on a bad team or doesn't play, how good every player in that league is. Yeah.
What's harder, playing the NBA or podcasting? NBA. Are you sure? I don't know.
Podcasting. Well, you guys only – This isn't work.
You can't bank NBA games. No, you can't.
You guys bank podcasts. You can be high in NBA games just like you're getting high.
No, no but no I just the thing about the NBA is someone's always coming to take your spot yeah you know podcasting space is growing but we don't really look at anybody in the in our basketball spaces competition I think we all have our own unique journeys and stories and we bring something different to the game and I feel as a whole we're changing sports media you guys are changing sports media because now it's you know guys that people really want to talk to and as players we kind of used to look at you know the summer reports is like cops it's like you know criminals talking to cops not the weird criminals but like there's just that weird line of because they're just they used to be dirty and twist shit and there was no other way for us to kind of get our story out but through them so you kind of got the bare minimum with a lot of people but now there's so many athletes and people that people like to talk to you're getting different stories and point of views that you know a typical espn or fox wouldn't get yeah and for a while there was a big disconnect between how sports was presented on tv and how they talked about on tv and how regular people talked about sports like when we're when we're talking about the nba or the nfl me and big cat don't put on suits and sit down and start like yelling at each other and gesturing gesturing at each other with a pen, you know? Nobody want to see that anyway. Exactly.
You want to see people having, like, real honest conversations. Have you guys ever gotten in trouble or have had a guest that got in trouble for something that they said on your show? Oh, we had a couple guests that said stuff that we didn't even ask them, and they end up coming back.
Can you take that out? Yeah, can you take that out? Bro, we didn't even ask you that, but we'll take it out. You said that on your own.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, our goal is never.
We're fine with that, though. Yeah, our goal has never been, you know, there's people now that are kind of turning their shit into, like, gossip shows and looking for hot tape.
Like, our goal has always been to humanize our guests because we think all of our guests are super dope and just have authentic, real, deep conversation. And, you know, we get a ton of times where people say, you know, we've never said this before to anybody.
And, you know anybody and you know like okay they trust us enough so we just kind of wanted to be a safe space and if we go viral it's for a dope story or an in-depth conversation instead of some clickbait and smart that's i mean we we take a similar approach where it's like every guest we've ever had on we want them to come back right so it's like if you if you if you come with that uh approach you're never going to burn someone else. You're appreciating your guests.

You're appreciating your guests.

I want you guys next time you're in Chicago to come back on.

If we try to burn you, it's like, fuck these guys.

Who is the one or two players that you played against that you just hated?

Hated?

Maybe hated just defending them or hated them just actually hated them them I didn't hate nobody to be honest with you. There's a lot of people I thought wasn't good that you know that didn't deserve all the stuff they was getting in my mind Like who? Oh boy here you go This might burn you He's a hall of famer Oh boy.
Okay. You know he's a hall of famer and you know As soon as.
You know, he's a Hall of Famer. And, you know.
As soon as he says his name, we're never getting him as a guest. Yeah, well, I don't, yeah.
I mean, it's not personal. I just feel like I had a lot of great games against him.
I didn't have a better career than him, but when I played against him, I had some great games. Okay.
Ray Allen. Oh, okay.
I just feel like that. I'm not saying Ray wasn't great.
Great. And, you know, he was great.
One of the greatest shooters. One of the greatest shooters.
But I'm a basketball player. I wasn't one-dimensional.
I just didn't shoot. I just didn't play defense.
I did everything. So I look at myself as different than a lot of these guys that were one-dimensional.
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I just felt like I was a better player in game.
But I don't think Ray was one-dimensional, though. Well, most of his career he was a shooter.
Again, his career he was an athlete. He was dunking in the walk.
He was taking off on people and all that. He got a little older.
Yeah, but only Bron could do it his whole career. Yeah, that's a fair though.
You're not saying that he was bad. It's just that you thought you were better than him.
He had a better career than me. I admit that.
But when it came to lining up on the court against a lot of guys that's

Hall of Famers, I bust

they ass a lot of nights.

And it's just the truth. And

I, you know, I gotta pat myself on the

back sometimes. Yeah.
Because the NBA

wouldn't do it because of the trouble I was in.

Right? I should have been an all-star multiple

years, but I am someone who

helped two teams

my first year there get to the playoffs after double-digit year droughts. That has to say something.
What were those teams? Charlotte and Golden State. Yeah.
Golden State was 13 years, and I think Charlotte was like – Yeah, never had never been. Yeah.
So to be able to do that in the NBA, you have to be a great player. You're just not going to teams and getting them to the playoffs.
Okay, so reverse, who would always bust your ass? I got my ass busted by all of them. That's what I'm saying.
I will admit that they bust my ass, but they need to admit it too. Just because y'all Hall of Famers don't mean y'all didn't get your ass busted.
Okay, that's fair. You know what I'm saying? I took my ass with us from all of them because I competed.
I tried to stop them. And guys like Ray Allen and Kobe, you can't stop them.
You got to try to make them have difficult nights or make it difficult for them. And I made some of those nights difficult, but for the most part, those guys are great for a reason.
But I deserve my respect, too. Was it equal opportunity trash talk? Like you would talk shit to anybody that you were defending? Oh, everybody got it.
Refs, fans. Yeah, everybody got it.
It don't work on some guys like Kobe and Ray Allen and these guys. It don't work, but it's good to try.
Did you ever have a guy that you just said something and you're like, I have him forever. It's done.
I'm mentally in his head. He's sweet.
Who do you think is sweet? Oh, who's sweet? Oh, man. I had a lot of guys that were sweet.
Because, you know, we're willing to take that extra step. I'm willing to fight if I have to to win a game.
you know what I'm saying, or to get my respect. I'm willing to go there every game, and it's a lot of guys that ain't willing to do that.
Bro, it's just basketball. Bro, it's just basketball.
That's when you know you got them, right? That's when you know. It's just basketball.
It's just basketball, bro. Not to me.
This is how I eat. Yeah, this is how I eat.
And I know it's the guy that's coming in right now that's coming in this draft that's coming to try to take my spot. So I got to try to stay here as long as I can.
Yeah. How do you guys feel about rookies coming to the league that had big expectations? We can, like, touch a little bit about how this relates to Kaitlin Clark, but I know that you guys have been in the league when players have come in where this rookie is so highly touted that the future, the future face of the league, future star.
As vets, how do you guys respond to something like that? Challenge them. I was going to go to the state when we drafted Steph.
I had no idea he was going to be who he was. But for me, I was at the end of my career.
So I wanted to go somewhere else. I didn't want to be a part of a rebuilding process.
Right. But I knew that they drafted Steph, you know, to be the face of the team.
I didn't know he was going to be who he is now. If I would have known it, I probably would have stayed and got a couple championships off of him.
You know what I mean? But you never know. You never know how things are going to pay out.
You know what I'm saying? Because you've seen guys that get drafted that don't have good careers, that go number one, that don't last long. When you see guys that get drafted, that's supposed to be top ten draft pick, get drafted 15, 20, and they end up having a hell of a career.
So it's hard to really tell. It depends on that guy and how he's built, you know, coming in with all that stuff on his back.
But I also think, too, I mean, anybody with some name or exposure coming into the league, you're going to get checked. You're going to get tested.
You're going to get hard fouled. You're going to get hit.
You're going to get a lot of different things. You're going to get beat up.
And what I think is so interesting now is it's such a shock to new fans with the women's game. The women's game has always been very chippy, and those girls talk a lot of shit.
There's been fights, but there just hasn't been as much tension on it. So when the new casual fan or new fan see women doing the same thing as men it's like oh my god they're talking shit on the court oh they're hard for this is a competitive game so my whole thing with caitlin car because i'm not mad at the beat you never don't want to see no one get hurt from a cheap shot but as far as her getting beat up elbowed hard screen knocked down that's kind of the hard knocks of being a rookie my whole thing which i said you know a couple weeks ago or or last week was where the fuck are her teammates at you guys got to have her back whether it's you don't think she's a good person or you're whatever situation she's getting given too much without proving anything no matter what those person you got to get all that bullshit out of your heart because that's why i said you know this is the reason why you guys are at the bottom of the wnbs because you guys aren't one.
You need to be one. Whether there's one star or two stars or there's a leader, you guys still got to be a team.
And what bothered me was, wasn't that she was getting knocked down and hard fouled. And, you know, I'm not complaining about none of that.
I'm complaining to the people who aren't helping her up or who aren't, okay, you knock my star down, you knock our rookie down, and we're going to knock yours down. Like, you know, there was just none of that.
And, you know, to me, I think that's weak.

If you guys were doing your podcast while you were still in the league,

would you make reporters subscribe before us?

It wouldn't have.

We would have been suspended from games and getting fined and all kind of shit.

You couldn't speak your mind.

I couldn't have had no podcast.

No?

No.

Do you?

I mean.

I went straight to the bitch-ass referee.

You suck last night. I've been calling names out all times.
Yeah, I couldn't have done it. I couldn't have done it.
No way. Would you have done it, Matt? No.
No. The only person that made me turn my crazy down was him because we couldn't have two real crazy motherfuckers.
Me and Jack didn't play on the team. I was the one.
So it was... But I credit.
It's a new age has been able to do and, you know, to kind of set the tone with guys that are currently in it. And, you know, when he was doing all his shit or in the finals and he wouldn't talk to people, he would go drop it fresh on it.
I mean, I think that's amazing. Yeah, it's genius.
Changes the game. So, I mean, as far as Pat Bev telling someone he can't talk to him because she didn't just subscribe to his out of this world.
But, I mean, that's Pat Bev sometimes. Yeah.
I mean, we love him. He obviously works with us.
So, I mean, we're like, yeah, you should subscribe. Subscribe.
So easy. I think Draymond does shit in games sometimes so that he's got good content to talk about on his podcast.
Bump the ratings a little bit. Yeah.
Like, I'm going to talk shit about this real quick. Yeah.
I'm going to choke Rudy Gay out, or Rudy Gobert out, and then afterwards I'm going to have a number one podcast across all the charts. I'm going to say exactly why I did it.
It was funny when he started talking about Pat Bev and what happened at their last game. It was like, dude, this is you.
That was like the Spider-Man right there. Someone said it was like Osama Bin Laden breaking down ISIS game film.
No, but i mean i do think it's great i mean just think how far media has come yeah i mean it used to be in the papers and then you know now it would be the radio and then it was on tv and now you're really getting it from the actual recipient or or the or the person that did you know i mean so yeah i think it's dope it's got to be feel it's got to feel freeing for players that they know that they can control their own It also has to be that fine line, you know what I mean? So I think it's dope. It's got to feel freeing for players.
They know that they can control their own narrative.

It also has to be that fine line, you know what I mean?

Because people know now, like, you're spending so much,

you need to get in the gym.

Because you always got that before we were even doing podcasts

and doing shit, talking to the fans.

So I couldn't imagine it now, like, you know, having some bad games

and still having to, okay, is this mic on?

Yeah, right.

Talk your shit on the show.

And I would imagine it does change the locker room a little bit if there's a guy who's got a podcast in it. I'm just saying you can't.
No, I don't know, but probably. Yeah.
I mean, it would bother me if you go on your podcast every night and doing all that, but you're not performing on the court. That would cause problems.
I also would think it would be dope from a standpoint of just imagine all the inside cool shit that we could tell people that happened on the plane, the locker rooms, the pranks, all that kind of fun shit. Oh, I actually had a question about that.
Who was the best card player you ever played with? Card player? I think the biggest cheating card player is Chris Paul. Somehow that motherfucker was always winning.
Anthony Johnson or Jermaine O'Neal. It's twisted at all.
The guys are the biggest. We used to have some heavy card games with that Clipper team.

I remember when I saw it, we had some at the end of the season where I got traded, and I owed probably like 60, 70 racks

to these motherfuckers.

So when I came back, I had cashier's checks for everyone.

How was Blake at cards?

Good, but cheated too, I think.

Okay.

I just think we'd be so, we'd have a few and just start going

in the music, and next thing, cards are being dealt from under the pile and shit's getting moved in.

It's like these motherfuckers.

I had my fair share of winning, but I definitely got hit over the head a couple times.

Yeah, I like the idea of you going to like Bank of America and be like, okay, I need a cashless check.

$25,000, Chris Paul.

Blake Griffin.

They'll get it.

And these people are like, what the hell?

Yeah.

No, this is serious.

I actually need this. Can we do some top five talk real quick? Let's do it.
All right people are like, what the hell? Yeah. Oh, this is serious.
I actually need this.

Can we do some top five talk real quick?

Let's do it.

All right.

Just give me your top five.

Who's your top five right now?

Top five players playing right now?

Playing right now.

Current.

Jokic.

No order.

Yep.

Jokic, Luka, Shy, Anthony Edwards.

Anthony Edwards is already up there?

Yeah.

My top five right now playing.

Yeah.

Luka, Jokic, Anthony Edwards, Shy, and I probably would throw Embiid. Okay.
So no Tatum? Nah. No Tatum.
7-6-7. Win a championship, he'll go up.
Yep. Yeah, but they've been floating around, you know.
Yeah, 6'7". Okay.
Has anyone ever took a bathroom break during the show? We'll wrap up soon. Okay.
But if you need to, you can. Yeah, I want to spray the place up right quick.
Okay, yeah, yeah, you can. Okay.
While Matt gives you his five. I'm doing my top five.
Yeah. Yeah, Jack used to pee on himself.
Wait, you forgot. Let him pee.
Just so you know, Jack, you forgot Giannis. Yeah.
What's that? Yeah, Giannis sticks to him right now. He was hurt.
Okay, all right.

He was hurt.

Wait, he was hurt.

But Embiid is always healthy.

Well, he's –

All right, so mine –

He used to pee on himself?

Yeah.

Like during games?

No, just his early days and early teen days.

He'll tell you when he gets back.

I don't have to.

It's not like I'm disbulging any new news.

He just had a problem.

He'd just pee on himself.

Top five, top five. Yeah, again, no order.
And I'm not counting on the older guys. I got Jokic, Luka, Giannis, Tatum.
Who? Who's that fifth fifth my fifth is probably like sga and b b b sga um i like edwards i just i think he had this is his coming out party this year i think obviously he's going to jump in there very soon i'd say my my fifth would probably be it would be Embiid.

He's already got an MVP. Obviously injuries have played a big role in his career, but yeah, those are probably

my top five. So you do have Tatum

in your top five? I do have Tatum in my top five. I think he's very

talented. I just think, as Jack

said, I think they kind of

raise the bar every time

he gets good. He's been doing really good for a

long time. If you think about it, coming

in the Eastern Conference Finals, Ricky years, been to the

Eastern Conference Finals about four or five times

in the six years, been to the finals.

I'll see you next time. gets good like he's been doing really good for a long time if you think about it you know coming in the eastern conference finals rick years been to the eastern conference finals about four or five times in the six years been to the finals i just think this year you know i want him to i want boston to win for this reason because i think he is overlooked at times and he is such a great talent but i think he needs to win to get the respect from everyone else yeah yeah wait so jackson was there one If you really used to pee in the bed or if I was talking shit.

What happened there? Until he was 19.

19?

You were in the league? You were on...

It was older than that? 25?

K-O-E. King of exaggeration.

Okay.

You didn't pee on yourself. You peed on the bed.

When I was probably like... I was like 11 years old.
I used to just pee in the bed. I used to go to sleep because I used to do a lot of drugs, too.
I used to go home and go to sleep and just fall asleep and wake up, piss everywhere, didn't even get up. And I'd feel it.
I'd be like, shit, I got to go to the bathroom. Remember how Adam Sandler and the Waterboy had to hang his shit in the sheets on the clotheslines? Yeah, he's pissing the bed.
I have no shame in my game. I'm a G right now.
I'm very successful. I used to piss in the bed growing up.
Look, yeah, you're a model citizen to how people can make it if you piss in the bed. Hey, I too used to piss in the bed.
You can make the NBA just piss in the bed. Yeah, you should do like a PSA for kids.
A PSA. It don't matter if you piss in the bed at a young age.
You too can piss piss the stuff. Yeah, yeah.
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Shout out Roback. I thought that was a question for us.
You guys are good. Yeah, spell it back to me.
That's the question. So the podcast has been going great.
What's a dream guest? What's a dream guest right now? Michael Jordan for me. Okay.
He doesn't do interviews like that, though. And I've been blowing his phone up, too.
So hopefully he just- Does he respond? He's responded once. He just looks.
And the next 10, I haven't got a response. And you keep going? I'm going.
He's definitely changed his phone number. Might have, but hey, whoever it is after it, I'm pretty sure they know Mike used to have this number, so hopefully they can forward it to him.
I'm not going to stop texting. Yeah, MJ, but outside of MJ, I'd probably say maybe like Obama or The Rock.
Oh, The Rock's a good one. Yeah.
Have you guys had Braun on or no? No. Do you think he would? He said he, I mean, he said several times he would, but, you know, who knows? There's a lot going on in his life, so obviously it would be amazing to sit down with him.
Now that he's in the content game, he might understand it a little bit more. Yeah.
Because he's having to reach out to people and ask them. Or he might want to save his good shit for his own shit.
Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.
You know what I mean? So, you know, he's told me several times. At Draymond Green's wedding, we had a few drinks and he probably told me three or four times he was coming on the show.
So we'll see. Yeah.
He would never lie. After a couple drinks and everyone will go on every show.
Yeah, right. Oh, man, you can promise to everybody something to buy that second drink.
I do it all the time. I can't wait to have a drink so I can lie to some people.
It would be an honor to have. It would be an honor to get Bron though.
Is there a player in the league right now that you would like to see develop a podcast? Anthony Edwards. Yes.
I think he's got the personality. He's an up-and-coming star.
I mean, I think he is going to be one of the faces of the league in the next couple years, so I think he would be dope. I would like to see a Jokic podcast, but just about horse racing.
Just strictly horses. Drinking beer and horse racing? Yeah, drinking beer and horse racing.
I'd subscribe for it. Yeah, definitely.
Definitely. Well, guys, congrats on all the success.
Thank you guys for coming by. Thanks for having us, man.
Chicago, we'd love to have you on. And yeah, appreciate it.
All y'all fans? Can y'all be our fans now? Yes. Well, yeah, because you said you'd fight for me.
Yeah, I got it. Yeah, all right.
I got you. So that's, yeah, they'll all go subscribe.
Once we locked up, we locked in for life, bro. I might have some people.
I might need you to come back to the office. We're doing like a survivor.
Yeah. I might need you to just walk around with me for that.
I've had a couple fights too. I'll help you guys.
All right, yeah. Both of you guys can just come and just walk behind me.
There's bodyguards. Yeah, there's a guy named Brandon Walker you're going to pass by.
Like, what do you guys say? Hit him in the face. Be careful because it might because it might happen.
As long as you got the legal bills. I think that it is, Chesney.
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He should be exempt. Hank should not do a Firefest this week.
Pass on Hank. Pass on Hank.
Max, you do a Firefest instead. My Firefest is Hank.
Okay. Mine's also Hank.
Good to Firefest. Hank had a legitimate one earlier this week.
Yeah, he already did it. Max, by the way, where are do you go to the Water Dogs tomorrow? Water Dogs, maybe.
Saturday, Sunday. I'll be on the field rooting on our dogs.
Michael Sowers homecoming. Michael Sowers is the man.
He's going to have 10 goals. I think that's a lot in lacrosse.
Over two games. He's going to have 10.
I promise the Waterdogs free bar tab if you'd like to match with me or just split with me. They have to go 2-0 this weekend and win a fight.
Okay, if they win two fights, then I'll double. Okay, all right, perfect.
Love it. So, Max, your Firefest is Hank?

Yeah. No, just Boston.
All of Boston is my Firefest.

Hank is your boss.

I also learned a fun fact about Boston. Do you know that they're not allowed to have bottomless mimosas or happy hour because they get in too many bar fights?

That rocks. That would be such an honor to have your city have to pass a law because you guys party too hard max that's not that's not partying too hard fight just getting fighting each other actually getting drunk and fighting is yeah that's like the definition of party too getting into bottomless mimosa fights is pretty funny yeah that's like that's like zooloolander.
That's your boss you're talking about, Max. Whatever.
Okay. PFT.
We're skipping you, Hank. Yeah, Hank doesn't get a fire fest.
I actually think he shouldn't get one this week or next week. Yeah, agreed.
Because he had the 24 hours of a lifetime. Unless something really bad happens to him.
Like that growth on his chin. I think his swollen lymph node.
Mm-hmm. Have you been partying? What if the Mavs just come back? Oh, my God.
Let's talk about it, Max. Let's talk about it.
How good would it be, though, Max? Dude, you can't actually think that. No, I don't at all.
There's literally 0% chance. No, no, no, no, no.
You do because you said it out loud. I know.
Well, I'm just thinking, like, we just gave Hank all his flowers. Like, the next episode doesn't even matter.
This does feel like we're writing Hank off the show. Yeah, right? Like, this is a big happy goodbye for Hank.
But it would be hilarious if the match came back. You think there's a chance.
No, I don't. I'm not watching any more games.
No, you do. I'm not watching a single game the rest of the series.
Okay. I'll be watching zero basketball.
I'll text you updates. Thanks.
I'll need them. PFT, your fire fest.
My fire fest, I guess tying back to something from last episode, the USA tied Brazil in soccer, which was our first tie against Brazil ever, which doesn't really mean shit because we've also beaten them in the past, but the answer was like, that's our first tie against Brazil. Let's go.
That's what losers soccer people are sometimes. But we are losers soccer.
We are losers soccer people. So we were like, it was a good thing that we tied Brazil.
But this is like the nightmare scenario for me and people people like me who are Berhalter out guys Greg out guys I think are we a Berhalter out podcast sure I think we are we're just the U.S. is what that we are in soccer I just that's been my my stance for the longest time it's like if we want to what didn't you say P PFT, we have to go to the Elite Eight next year? Yeah, quarterfinals in the World Cup, and we've got a good enough team.
The players are good enough to do it. But our coach stinks.
We're not a top-level soccer country. It's just we have other sports that we care about, and I care about those other sports more.
That's a fact. Our coach stinks, and having him get this tie against Brazil is going going to because we are a loser country in soccer what does our coach stink what does he do that makes us stink he doesn't play the best players uh that's good they don't play hard they don't play hard for him usually we lose to inferior opponents and we've always stunk but but the difference is now all of our players are good, you can't say that our players aren't good anymore because...

But what if our players...

What if they're just the same?

No, but they're better because they're starting in the EPL.

They're starting in La Liga.

How many of them?

All of them, I think.

All of our players?

I think all of our starting players are, yeah.

Are starting in the EPL?

No, not in the EPL.

I'm talking the big European leagues.

Okay.

I think all of them are.

So they're really good.

What if the rest of the world just got a little worse? That might have been why we did COVID. Yeah.
Like, just knock everybody down a peg. I'm down to be Berhalter out.
I also just don't know. We're just, we're not going to win a World Cup.
So, like, who cares? Probably not. We probably won't win one in the near future.
You're sounding like the Mavs coming back in this. But what if we did? It would rock.
In 2002, we should have made the semifinals. People forget that.
It would rock. This team will be good enough, but the fact that we tied to Brazil in a meaningless game, an exhibition, means that the U.S.
Soccer Federation is going to be like, Greg's got the team on the right track. he's not like he does and he's not going to be fired sounds like he does we've never done that before we have never tied brazil we have beaten them our a team versus area team yeah back in 1998 i think in a tournament in a bigger game this is in their tournament no this is a friendly getting ready for the south american tournament anyways my point is that this was this was a bad tie because now it's going to keep our shitty coach around because people are going to be like good job greg you're coaching for your job and you got a major win when you tied brazil although i will say that's we won that tie it's just like when we when we beat england zero zero is his is it like is his job even in jeopardy? I think it would have been if we got smoked by Brazil.
In a friendly? Yeah, because Colombia beat us 5-1 like two days ago. You get fired over a friendly? If the team stinks and then we're going into this big tournament and then they stink in the tournament, then Greg could have been fired.
But now we've got too much momentum and we're probably going to be good in the tournament and then greg's gonna be around for the world cup i feel like i've heard about this guy getting fired forever now he was fired like two years ago they didn't renew his contract and then they went on a coaching search and they're like greg wasn't so bad yeah so they they're just bluffing i don't know i don't know what's happening but i do know that uh it's gonna be bad news if he's the coach of the World Cup team. And that's the only thing.
I don't really care about EPL soccer or any European soccer. I do care about international.
I like watching the U.S. men's team do well.
I do too. This is bad.
I just know what our ceiling is. I'm the most realistic U.S.
men's national team fan of all time. I think our ceiling is probably the semifinals, at the very best, in the next World Cup.
Okay. And what happens if we get bounced in the group play? Then Berhalter out.
Okay. And then the next guy will get us to...
Well, then we'll rehire Berhalter after like six months. Bounce in the first round.
Okay. I guess if you're going to be shitty, it's actually not bad to have a scapegoat if we're gonna be if we're gonna be a bad team if we end up sucking in the south american tournament and then we suck in the world cup i could always be like our players are so good if we just had a good coach we would have won he actually burl halter might be the greatest thing for u.s men's national team because it gives fans hope that a coaching change will change the entire outcome

of the history of soccer in this country

when we have years and years and years of history to tell us it won't.

But you can tell yourself that Berhalter out will change that.

If you do fire Berhalter and then the next guy comes

and we just are the same exact soccer country,

you might have to face the fact that we are what we are.

Yeah, like last season, got a new owner

I don't want to you don't want to have that happen you want the scapegoat now i yeah so i i could see myself being burr halter in just so that i i guarantee myself a scapegoat yeah but he's still a shitty coach that's okay i've said i'm gonna follow your lead so i'll go burr halter out for now as of right now uh okay my fire fest i don't know if i should tell this story but i'll just tell it fuck it um i got in a uh i got in a splash battle with like a seven-year-old at the at the water park yesterday i don know if that was me being a bad person or not. I would like you guys to tell me if I'm a bad person or not.
Did you win? So here's what happened. Went to the water park, took my son.
I'm on vacation with my family and then friends, like a couple friend, and then their kid as well. So we went to the water park, having a great time great time about to leave the water park and this seven-year-old comes up to me and he just starts splashing me in the face like legit eye contact splashing me in the face and i said i turned to him i said can you please stop splashing me in the face and he kept on splashing me in the face and then i said a little louder because how it works at these water parks is like there's parents kind of around watching.
So if you, you know, I said, please stop splashing me in the face, hoping a parent would be like, hey, Johnny, stop. Stop splashing that man with the SpongeBob body and the big tits in the face.
And I would be like, OK, great. Doesn't no parent.
No parent looks up. No no parent says anything another time please stop slashing me in the face kid just standing there splashing me in the face three times so i just went tsunami splash like one of these just absolutely just smashed him in the face with a splash and then he left i think you had to do that I think you're in the that.
I think so too. But here's why.
Not because you were being splashed, but because your children were there, and if they see their dad getting bullied by a 7-year-old and losing a splash fight, that's the worst thing that could ever – that's something that they'll be in therapy for for 60 years. It was one splash and done.
I could have stayed there and can just kept on splashing the kid if i wanted to but i didn't want to i just wanted to end the end the issue because he was like almost following me splashing me in the face now your son will get to go to school and say like my dad could splash the fuck out of your dad yeah because i'm already dealing with the whole like the kid in his class is his dad is stronger than. So I needed to do something to get a little bit of power back.
Yeah. Do you think this is fair play? I think it's totally fair play, yeah.
There's only going to be two splashes if my dad gets a hold of your dad. Him splashing the water, your dad's head splashing open on the pavement.
I've been feeling bad about it. If the parents don't step in, you just got to do what you got to do.
was just it was just a quick splash right back in his face and he was gone and he didn't even care it wasn't well he didn't cry or anything he just literally just left the scene he's like all right i can't pick on this guy anymore because he was picking on me legit picking on me i felt picked on there's nothing i could do also i've had the revelation just being on vacation uh in pool environments it the light bulb you have weird moments as a parent where the light bulb clicks and you're like god damn it I sucked so much as a kid for my parents trying to get my kids out of the pool it like clicked I had that moment where I was like I remember vividly just never get it refusing to get out of the pool as a kid and how much that must have sucked because it sucks because you know that your parents have have clothes on right you can you're in a pool you can just be like no i used to i used to do the thing where i would lay down where i'd lay on my back and pretend that i couldn't hear because my my ears were under the water yeah and i would just lay there and uh or like go underwater and just keep going underwater and then come up for a little breath and go back underwater and just stay in the pool forever. That sucks.
If you're swimming around, you're making the splash noises. You can't hear anything.
Right. Yeah.
It's a strong move and I don't think the kids are going to stop doing that anytime soon. No.
They're smart. They're very smart.
Alright, Jake, you want to finish this off? Yeah. I've been back on a pickleball kick lately, and this happened last year.

I was standing in front of the kitchen,

and I accidentally hit a winner in a lady's face.

Oh, that's way worse than me splashing that seven-year-old.

Yeah, I said sorry.

She was okay, but the guilt afterwards was bad.

We won the point, but we lost a lot more. So this is the second time you smashed a woman in the face? During a pickleball point.
You keep finding yourself getting your balls in women's faces. Well, yeah.
The way it works is if you're both at the kitchen, you leave a ball high. So the women should be in the kitchen.
Yeah, right. Okay, got it.
Oh, but I think Jake's saying she shouldn't be in the kitchen. No, she wasn't in the kitchen.
She wasn't in the kitchen. Oh, and that was a problem.
You were punishing her for not being in the kitchen. No, if she was in the kitchen, she'd be disqualified.
Jake fuck her. Yeah.
Yeah. But any high ball in front of the kitchen, you're putting it away.

It just happened to hit her, and I felt bad.

Did you just do the racket in the air, or did you go to her?

Yeah.

No, I'm just like, sorry.

Did she make a noise?

Not that I know of.

Did she yelp?

No, I just said, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Are you okay?

And she started crying and was like, god damn it.

Jake, did you make a noise when you hit it? I don't think so. There's not as much grunting in pickleball.
That's a lie. Jake makes less.
You leave the podcast. No, I do here and there, but not like tennis.
Yeah. You grunted in ping pong.
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Different sports. No, that's less than pickleball.
Yeah, that's less than pickleball. Not if less than pickleball not if you're slamming it which apparently you do a lot to women how old was this woman uh she was probably about my age okay are you are you ever catching yourself playing like against elderly people yeah it happens but that's what makes pickleball so great is like you don't age gender it doesn't really matter like people older people can really be good at this game yeah i i saw i read something that was like uh pickleball was invented to like to finally try to get back at boomers who have like ruined the entire country uh to just get them to play this sport and get injured which i kind of like that theory yeah but it's a very inclusive game it's fun okay except if you're across from jake and outside the kitchen then you'll get smashed is a one-on-one game uh it's mostly doubles mixed doubles or was it you and a guy against two girls uh this game was pickup so it was just like four on four off so it was me and a guy against a guy and a girl okay and you smashed the girl because she was not in the kitchen no but oh my god memes already did a he did a uh face match of

bucker and jake march oh my god that was so quick yeah that was really quick that was no but yeah i i respect appreciate women yes okay that didn't that didn't end up. I mean, anything I said, you guys would have, yeah, worked your magic.
Okay. Okay.
Should we do numbers? PFT, you're going to have to hit it. Yeah, I got it.
Yeah. Great show, boys.
All right. What are the numbers? 20.
56. 8.
18.

3.

I beat you, Hank.

99.

It's your birthday.

You can have it.

You can have it.

89.

21.

No.

You want it?

33.

Say it again.

Sorry.

If Hank wins this, can we all agree to murder him?

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

If the thing on his chin doesn't murder him first. Yeah, I'm a little worried.
Were you on WebMD? Yeah. What did they say? I could have Hodgkin's lymphoma.
I don't know. Jesus.
WebMD is what got me to the urgent care for my hand, too.

Oh, what happened with your hand?

Pretty much broken hand.

So it's not broken.

It's pretty much broken.

All right, here we go.

Make sure you don't look.

14.

14. All right.

See you on Monday.

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