Matt Barnes And Stephen Jackson, Celtics Up 3-0, Hank Recaps His Night With Tom Brady + US Open And Fyre Fest

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Today is Friday, June 14th.

Speaker 1 And this is Henry Lockwood's world, and we're all living in it. We are taping this right now on Henry Lockwood's 31st birthday.

Speaker 4 Happy birthday, Hank.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday, Hank. Henry Lockwood is coming off a night where he went to see his quarterback, who won six Super Bowls for him,

Speaker 1 be inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. And that quarterback

Speaker 1 named Hank and Feidelberg and Gaz and Dave, who actually left, left,

Speaker 1 in his induction speech.

Speaker 1 The Hall of Fame greatest quarterback of all time named Hank in his induction speech while

Speaker 1 his Celtics were going up 3-0 on the precipice of winning their 18th banner. Today is his birthday.
Oh, and just a little cherry on top, Bryson is his max bet for the U.S. Open, and he's like third.

Speaker 1 Hank,

Speaker 1 the whole world is just coming up Hank right now.

Speaker 1 I don't really know what else to say other than like you, we're just passengers in Hank's ride through the galaxy.

Speaker 4 I got something, and I want to add one thing to it real quick.

Speaker 4 He also saw a down-and-out, appears possibly homeless person, wearing the handsome Hank Lockwood boxing shirt at a bus station in South Boston. So

Speaker 4 it's been quite a trip.

Speaker 4 Hank, my question for you is, can you teach me your ways?

Speaker 5 I mean, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. there's there's really nothing to say other than than i just pure luck right place right time i don't really know why i know i don't deserve it um

Speaker 5 but i just i just am am you can't i'm just lucky i'm just lucky there's really nothing else i can say uh i definitely don't deserve it but i'm happy that i'm able to experience the things i'm able to experience and and blessed And, you know, I thank you too.

Speaker 5 I thank Dave for,

Speaker 1 you know, everything, really.

Speaker 1 I didn't actually want an answer here. I didn't want an answer.
I know why. This wasn't what I wanted.
I just wanted to acknowledge it. I'm assuming Max took off his headphones, PFT.

Speaker 4 He took them off his ears, and then Hank kept going. And then gradually, he just slowly took them off his entire head and put them down on the desk next to him.

Speaker 1 He can't take it. Hank is, it's.

Speaker 5 Oh, wait, wait, BitCat, BitCat, you forgot one thing. The Red Sox beat the Phillies last night, too.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 You don't even know that they're winning again tonight, you fucking loser.

Speaker 1 Well, no. He's actually not a loser.

Speaker 1 You say a lot of things.

Speaker 4 You call Hank a lot of things.

Speaker 1 You can call Hank a

Speaker 1 terrible thing. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 He sleeps too much, but he's not a loser. He's not a loser.

Speaker 7 He's not a loser.

Speaker 4 Hank is a winner, and that's why I want to know his ways.

Speaker 4 I mean, whatever he's been doing in his life has worked out so tremendously well for him that there's something that we can all learn from Hank.

Speaker 4 Hank, I saw you also tweeted out this morning that you are now as old as me and Big Cat were when we started Part of My Take, which made me feel extremely old.

Speaker 4 Out of all the things that have made me feel old in my late 30s, I mean late 20s,

Speaker 4 that is probably the number one. Like thinking it in that terms really blows my mind.
So I want to know, like, when you started doing Part of My Take, did we feel old to you?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 I was 22, so I don't know how you guys feel, but I, like,

Speaker 5 obviously I live a Peter Pan basically lifestyle with his job but

Speaker 5 i feel like time has just kind of stopped since we started the podcast like i it's probably bad that i don't really like feel any different than i did when the podcast started

Speaker 5 but i don't like i was 22 when the podcast started i'm 31 now but i feel like i think in the exact same way as i did back then i'm just like a little bit better off in life.

Speaker 1 I feel the same way, Hank.

Speaker 1 The other one, PFT, is my son son is about to turn five next week. So I've been a dad for more than half of this show.

Speaker 4 That's crazy, too. Crazy.

Speaker 1 That's also great. That one fucked me up as well.
But yeah, Hank being 31, the age that we started,

Speaker 1 it's just, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 He's still got his whole life in front of him. The guy just, whatever he, whatever,

Speaker 1 even when Hank is down for a little bit. And he's been down before.

Speaker 1 I mean, he literally sucked Nikki Smokes cock on video last week, but it doesn't matter because it always just, it always comes back. He always bounces back.

Speaker 1 He's the stock that everyone should have bought 10 years ago. I guess I kind of did.
I guess we both did.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we have to be. We definitely did.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he just keeps, you might have a bad quarter, but then it's the dividends just, I think that's the word, just keep producing insane profits.

Speaker 4 I'm like the Roaring Kitty. It's like, I like the stock.

Speaker 4 I like the honk. And I'm glad we invested in you, Hank.

Speaker 4 In the middle of the night last night, when you were on this heater and I was getting ready to go to sleep, and you pointed out that not only had all these great things happened, but also that the Red Sox beat the Phillies and you didn't even know about it.

Speaker 4 I thought to myself, I should get out of bed and just fuck up all the slats in my bed frame because it might be the way that you're sleeping. I don't know.
I just want to be more like Hank.

Speaker 4 What can I say?

Speaker 1 Eat some spiders. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I put a hole in my wall. Now, okay, last last thing, because I do want to talk about the game, Hank.
Then I want to talk about your night at Brady's retirement. The last thing I was wondering.

Speaker 1 So you're such a winner, Hank.

Speaker 1 You're the ultimate winner.

Speaker 1 Here comes the backhand.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no. This isn't going to be a backhand.

Speaker 1 What would it feel like if,

Speaker 1 and I'm just saying, any of us in this room were the ultimate loser.

Speaker 1 But Hank, the ultimate winner, was our boss?

Speaker 4 That would suck.

Speaker 1 I would quit. Because

Speaker 1 we joke about Hank being our boss, PFT. He's not actually.

Speaker 1 He actually is Max's boss. When are we talking about the game?

Speaker 7 I thought we were talking about the game.

Speaker 5 I thought it was like it gives Max something to strive for. It gives him examples of what it looks like.

Speaker 1 You never want your subordinates to be better than your boss.

Speaker 5 So it's better for me to kind of show him the way and just give him something to strive for. Like, I think that's like the best boss you can ask for.

Speaker 1 It's true. Right? It's a great boss.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's, it's very good. And I mean, you, you're showing that you're not afraid to be a hands-on boss either because the Celtics, what, four-fifths of their starting lineup were at one time 76ers.

Speaker 4 So you're showing them how to take the same, or could have been 76ers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You're taking the same ingredients and you're showing them this is how you assemble a winning culture. And you can learn a lot from this.
So I appreciate that about your boss ship, Hank.

Speaker 1 Max, do you you have any? Oh, he's not even.

Speaker 1 It might be the end of him. Because it really is incredible how much Hank wins and how much Max loses.
And Max has to report to Hank. His job is in Hank's hands.

Speaker 1 It's actually a credit to you, Hank, that you do such great charity service by employing a guy like Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I just want to help him.

Speaker 5 Listen, no one roots for Max more than me. that's the thing that he doesn't realize that, like, I want him to get to this level.
Like, there's no one that's rooting for him to be where I'm at.

Speaker 4 I think we need to get Max like an emotional support animal, like, somebody that's, that's a bigger loser than him, and that way he can shit on that person.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 5 Well, memes also is in the category of people that like probably hate me, but also has to post when I do good things on social media. And I know he hates doing it, but I love that.

Speaker 1 It's so true.

Speaker 5 It's a shame.

Speaker 5 I feel bad. Yesterday, not at all.

Speaker 1 Hank's okay.

Speaker 8 But yesterday sucked.

Speaker 1 You just had to post highlights of Tom Brady sucking off Hank.

Speaker 1 Shout out Big Dom.

Speaker 1 Shout out Big Dom.

Speaker 1 Big Dom. It has nothing to do with this, Max.
We can talk about that later.

Speaker 6 No, no,

Speaker 7 that was a win for me.

Speaker 7 I get to get one of these wins every now and then.

Speaker 1 Oh, Big Dom sent us some football?

Speaker 1 That was a win. Oh, you got sent some merch.

Speaker 4 Big Dom's a legend. Hank, do you think Tom Brady would ever send you some merch?

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Boys now.

Speaker 1 You guys are boys.

Speaker 4 It was very cool seeing you guys meet him.

Speaker 4 And I was jealous because to have an athlete like that that you grew up idolizing to look back and look you in the eye and be like, thank you guys, that was great.

Speaker 4 And I loved Fights' response, which was like, dude, shut the hell up. Yeah.
It was so perfect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Tom Brady thanked Hank and Dave and Gaz and Fights. And Fight's first words to Tom Brady were, no, you shut the hell up.
Thank you. And

Speaker 1 yeah, so Hank, tell us, let's do that, and then we'll talk the Celtics game because memes did have to post all these highlights. You went to Tom Brady's retirement ceremony.

Speaker 1 For people who don't know the lore,

Speaker 1 when Tom Brady deflategate, he got suspended. Dave fights, Gaz and Hank, the Brady four, went to jail for Tom Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 They went and protested at the NFL office. Hank spent a night in jail literally for Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 So on Tom Brady's induction night last night, they dressed up exactly like they dressed up when they went to jail. They got special seats, like great seats given to them by Robert Kraft.

Speaker 1 They got to meet Tom Brady. So then take it away, Hank.
What was last night like?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, it was a beyond surreal night. We obviously, well, first of all, we parked like a mile and a half away, and Dave had a parking pass, but he didn't have it.

Speaker 5 So he was like, we'll just walk.

Speaker 5 So it was a classic Barcelon situation where we were walking like so far to get to the stadium, which was, which was funny because then we just walked into the VIP red carpet area with all the players.

Speaker 5 We see Scott Zolak, recurring guest of the show, absolute lightning rod. He's like, you know, yelling at us.
We go to check in and Zolak has asked the lady at the front desk, like, where am I sitting?

Speaker 5 And she said, oh, you're in, you know, the general, like you have a seat in the general area. And then she's like, oh, Dave, you guys are at table 31.
There's 70. And so Zolak was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 Like, how do you guys have seats? And I'm just in, like, sitting with the regular people. He literally broadcast the games.

Speaker 5 And then waiting for the red carpet, it was just all, you know, former Patriots players, Gronk, Edelman, you know, Randy Moss, Willie McGinnis.

Speaker 5 And for me, like, there was a bunch of surreal parts of it.

Speaker 5 But seeing Gronk and Edelman and like, them just kind of coming up to us and dapping us up like we were players and obviously we know them really well like that was crazy they're you know they're it's a bunch of players just hamming it up saying what's up to each other and they just walk past us like we're you know gronk was like oh what's up hey like dapped me up gave me a hug same with edelman like that was insane to me obviously just like knowing like felt like we you know felt like we were on the team that was really cool um we did a red carpet interview with with Boston that I don't think aired and and Dave like Jason McCordy was or Devin McCordy was doing we're gonna have to figure out which one that was fucking

Speaker 1 no no no do not cut that No, there's no way backs is cut. Not getting cut.
There's no way Max is coming. Crazy.

Speaker 7 Crazy that you think I would cut that.

Speaker 5 McCordy was doing the interviews, and

Speaker 5 he asked Feidelberg a question.

Speaker 5 I wish it aired so bad. I've never seen Feidelberg freeze like this in his life.
Like, he asked me, he's like, did you guys know you're going to jail?

Speaker 5 And I said, we thought we were going to get out in the same night. We got arrested.
The cop was like, hey, it's too late in the afternoon. You're going to have to spend the night.

Speaker 5 And we all kind of froze and looked at each other. We're like, uh-oh.
And then he asked Feidelberg a question.

Speaker 5 And I think Feidelberg was thinking about whether or not he could say shit because he was going to say the story about how I took a shit in jail. But he just froze so bad for like 10 seconds.

Speaker 5 Like he put the mic in front of him.

Speaker 1 Feidelberg was just,

Speaker 5 unfortunately, that clip never came out. I hope they post it because it was so funny.

Speaker 5 And then, yeah, we were just, we were just hanging out with like, you know, Patriots legends, and everyone was coming up to Dave.

Speaker 5 Bon Jovi came up to Dave like they were best friends and was like, oh, Dave, when are you coming over for lunch? Like, that was insane. The whole night was just beyond insane.

Speaker 5 And then we were sitting at the seats and someone came over and said, like, hey, I think you guys are in the speech.

Speaker 5 Because when we met Brady too, he's like, you guys have really good seats right in the front row, which should have tipped us off knowing that he knew where we were sitting because he had been, you know, writing a speech and planning for it.

Speaker 5 Dave leaving

Speaker 5 was something.

Speaker 5 was definitely something and then when he when he thanked you and austin had the we had the game on a phone like we were watching it and i think dave tried to get it on his phone with youtube tv and the the region that said like you're in the wrong region and he just kind of was like i gotta watch like he just went from trying to get it on he couldn't get it on he's like i gotta watch the game i gotta go and uh hank when he thank you we knew we were gonna be in the speech like we we knew like we said he was like if i if i wait till it ends it's gonna be crazy for me because people are gonna you know stop and talk which they were obviously all night like everyone was treating him like royalty so it would have taken him way longer to get to the bar where we knew like me gaz and feitelberg could kind of just run over there.

Speaker 5 So he was like, I'll leave and you guys just come after the thing.

Speaker 5 But even after he left, I was like, we're going to get mentioned. Like, he's going to get mentioned.

Speaker 5 He didn't know we were going to be in the Jumbotron, but we knew kind of beforehand that we were going to, like, we had been told, like, you guys are in the speech.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And when he thanked you, you pulled an all-time power move, which was you stood up and you gave yourself a standing ovation.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Pumped up the crowd.
Yeah, I saw myself.

Speaker 5 I mean, the pop, the fact that we got a pop, there was, you know, different pops all night. People came on the stage.
Randy Moss, by far, the best one. It brought me to tears.

Speaker 5 They had, you know, they had off, uh, they had defense come on, and then they had some offensive players come on, and they had the quarterbacks come on at different times to do like talking segments.

Speaker 5 And Randy Moss came on, he started to talk, and before he could even speak, everyone just started clapping. Everyone stood up, gave him like a two-minute-long standing ovation.
He started crying.

Speaker 5 I was crying. It was a beautiful, beautiful moment.

Speaker 1 Question, Hank.

Speaker 1 This moment where Tom Brady mentions you in his Patriots Hall of Fame induction speech, again, before anything else, before his parents. He mentions you.
So that clip goes out.

Speaker 1 Memes, from your perspective, how is that having to post that?

Speaker 4 It was terrible.

Speaker 1 Okay, great. Thank you, memes.
Okay, keep you thinking numbers?

Speaker 5 It was good numbers, right?

Speaker 1 Like, it got great, great, great views, great engagement.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I was pretty.

Speaker 1 That's what the game is, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. You're right.

Speaker 8 It's part of the job.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 9 I ate it every second of it.

Speaker 1 Keep going, Hank.

Speaker 5 It was, I just can't, it was insane the amount of players that. Obviously, I'm a fan, and obviously, this is a massive podcast, and Barcelona's a massive platform, so I shouldn't get surprised.

Speaker 5 And I've been doing it for 11 years, but as a fan of the team, the amount of people that were coming up to us, like, you know,

Speaker 5 Belichick's sons and Steve Pioli, and I mean, Scott Pioli, I meant messing up everyone's names. This is bad.

Speaker 1 Cut that, Max. Cut that.

Speaker 5 Cut that. Yeah, cut that.

Speaker 1 Scott Pioli.

Speaker 5 Just everyone coming up and dapping us up like we were just, you know, part of the team or part of the organization was beyond surreal.

Speaker 5 And then getting the shout out at the top of the speech, he said fans, and then he said the Brady 4, and then he went into his family. Like he mentioned us right out of the gate.
Uh, we were,

Speaker 5 yeah, we got it. We got a pop.
I mean, when he was the camera angle, you can't see my face, thankfully.

Speaker 5 When he was thanking us, and obviously, he's a professional, and he's probably like used to doing eye contact. He was just looking straight at me, and I did not know what to do.

Speaker 5 Like, I was praying that he looked away because, like, he kept talking and staring at me, and I was just like,

Speaker 5 look away, like, please look away. Like, this is, I can't, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to do.

Speaker 5 I'm a 31-year-old and I acted like I was, I've never been more nervous or more excited in my entire life. Like, I felt like a two-year-old.
Like, it was amazing.

Speaker 4 Did you do any producing? Is he going to come on the show?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 we have a softs agreement. We have, we, we've got, we've got a, we've got a tentative date.
I'm not going to, we don't do that on the show, but we,

Speaker 5 we've got verbals. Okay.

Speaker 1 Verbals. All right.
So we're going to get some verbals. Good job.

Speaker 4 So I did see the fucking lighthouse. It It looked like shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. It looked awesome.

Speaker 4 No, it looked like dog. The picture of you in front of the lighthouse was.

Speaker 4 You had so much face paint on it. It looked like Gaz put your face paint on for you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, I kept rubbing my face and then forgetting I had face paint on and then like wiping off my white shorts, which was dumb.

Speaker 5 So it was a little bit of a messy, a messy, messy evening.

Speaker 1 I'm just jealous. I'm just jealous.

Speaker 5 Sammy Jay, the comedian, was at our table. She was funny as fuck.
Bill Burr absolutely brought the house down. Jay-Z performance, Kenny Chesney, performance.

Speaker 5 It was just, it was, it was magical.

Speaker 1 Your winner. All right.
So, and then next topic, the Celtics are up 3-0 and the Mavs.

Speaker 1 Luca

Speaker 1 has gone out as sad as sad could be.

Speaker 5 Just a

Speaker 1 pathetic second half by Luca,

Speaker 1 where there was that two possessions in a row where he took back-to-back threes and tried to get a foul call and then just didn't go back on defense.

Speaker 1 That was so, so sad and just like bad basketball, like terrible to watch. And he ends up fouling out and then complaints about the refs afterwards.

Speaker 1 Brian Winhorse, our guy Wendy, absolutely eviscerated him on Scott Van Pelt afterwards, basically saying he has to mature. He has to get better.

Speaker 1 He has to stop doing these things that are hurting his team, which are all facts. Like, Luca is the third best player in the NBA.

Speaker 1 There still a lot of things that are just, oh, Hank, okay, we don't want to do this again, Hank. You want to do this again, Hank? Let's not do this again.
No, no, no, no. Let's not do this again.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 I do agree with Hank that Jalen Brown should be up there, though.

Speaker 1 Jalen Brown was, Jalen Brown scored 24 points in the second half. He was incredible.
Like,

Speaker 5 phenomenal.

Speaker 1 The Celtics team,

Speaker 1 it's crazy because that...

Speaker 1 Blowing that...

Speaker 1 It's crazy to watch a team mature to a point where you can actually still see their past in their present in the fact that they blew they almost blew a 20-point lead which is something that a couple years ago hank you would agree they would have actually blown the 20-point lead so you can see the past happening and then you can see them being like no wait that's not what we do anymore We're just going to win this game and execute down the stretch and Jalen Brown's going to hit a big jumper to ice the Mavs out at home.

Speaker 1 And you can see it all happening at the same time.

Speaker 4 And they asked Derek White about that after the game. Like, is Joe Missoula, do you think he's happy?

Speaker 4 The fact that you guys keep coming close to getting beaten and then you just put your foot on the gas and crush them? And Derek was like, Yeah, he's a sicko, so I think he probably does enjoy this.

Speaker 4 Like, he's showing them the videos of dudes getting choked out, almost choked out, and fighting back. Missoula is definitely enjoying those types of wins, too.
And I think you are right.

Speaker 4 Like, you can see Jojitsu. Yeah, Joe.
Oh, I like that. Jojitsu.
You can see like the maturity.

Speaker 1 It's a better shirt than Jeruth.

Speaker 5 The Drew. The Drew.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You wearing it? The Drew.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What about

Speaker 4 the Drynasty? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dram Brady. Or our good friend Donnie, Horford July.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Horford July is pretty good. May the Horf be with you.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of good shirts we can sell, Hank, when you inevitably win. But Big Cat, you brought up Brian Winhorse and his evisceration, his ether.
of Luca, and you saw him.

Speaker 4 I don't know if you guys watch this live. I was standing up in my basement, like fist bumping like I'm watching Arsenio because Wendy didn't, he didn't tell any lies in that.

Speaker 4 You could make the argument some of it was personal, but it was all 100% correct. I think my favorite part was when he pointed at the tunnel.
He goes, see that tunnel right there?

Speaker 4 That's where the winners walk. And you're never going to be over there.
And then later on, he said that maybe some, I have the quote right here.

Speaker 4 Maybe over the summer, somebody will get to him because nobody with the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has. And that's why the Mavericks are at this point.

Speaker 4 They'll never get to this tunnel with the trophy if he doesn't improve. And he was spot on.
Like, Luca crying about fouling out of the game on the dumbest foul to take.

Speaker 4 And yeah, it was like it was borderline, but it was still a dumb, dumb position to put yourself in.

Speaker 4 And then, and then, right afterwards, screaming at his own bench to be like, you better fucking challenge that. Then they do challenge it, and then they lose that challenge.

Speaker 4 And then after the game, he's still blaming the refs. It's Luca,

Speaker 4 he's a baby back bitch.

Speaker 1 He was being a baby back pitch last night. And

Speaker 1 after he demands that they challenge that one, the next play or the maybe a play after that, I think it was a PJ Washington screen.

Speaker 1 That one could have been challenged and probably would have been overturned. But they burned the challenge because Luca was complaining.

Speaker 1 And I love watching Luca play basketball, but that was one of the, like, you can't defend. what he did in game three.
Like that was pathetic.

Speaker 1 And like Wendy said, he will hopefully mature from it and and get better. And like this will be, because look, you're seeing it right now on the other sideline.
The Celtics are the mature team.

Speaker 1 Like there have been moments where Tatum and Jalen Brown, they've had moments where you're like, this team lacks that killer instinct of maturity.

Speaker 1 They had to go through the wars to get to that point where they are a championship caliber team, a championship winning team that's going to be up there with some of the greatest teams ever when you look at their record.

Speaker 1 So it does take, that's one of my favorite parts about the NBA is the wars that it takes for teams. Like you can see it throughout the history of the NBA.

Speaker 1 You have to go through the struggles to climb over the mountain. Lukas right now getting shit on, and rightfully so.
I wouldn't sell my Luca stock, but that was pathetic last night.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was really bad. And it got so bad that even Mavs fans, they were like,

Speaker 4 we can't defend this. You can't.
It was bad. Those that

Speaker 1 back-to-back series. It's actually, we can't Luka this.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we can't. We can't defend.
No, we can Luca this.

Speaker 1 We can Luka this.

Speaker 4 We're going to Luka this right now, meaning we're not going to defend it.

Speaker 1 We're not going to defend it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And on those back-to-back threes that he missed and then flopped on, at least one of which led to a quick basket at the other end,

Speaker 4 the flops were just, they were insane. It looked like he got hit by a train in mid-air.
That was so stupid.

Speaker 4 So he would take the shot and then go fully horizontal and then bitch at the referees for about 40 feet and be like, oh, shit, I got to play defense. Oh, it's too late to play defense.
It was bad. And

Speaker 4 they're compilations.

Speaker 4 We've reached Luca compilation season where you're now able to take these three games and to put together a highlight reel of Luca's perimeter defense and just watch how bad it's been.

Speaker 4 How bad it's been. He's getting blown by.

Speaker 1 Now, you could have been

Speaker 1 shut up for this part. We're talking.

Speaker 4 Max, can you mute Hank real quick?

Speaker 4 Cut Hank's mic.

Speaker 1 You have enough going on. You can't, like, just let us talk about Luca for a minute.
Yeah. Okay.
So

Speaker 4 now I forgot where it was because Hank interrupted me to join the dog pile. Oh, yeah.
The compilation, the compilation of his defense.

Speaker 4 You could make the argument that their defense is designed with Luca in mind, where he's going to get blown by, and then you've got Derek Lively and some other guys down there that are quick to pick up a guy that's driving.

Speaker 4 But it also throws off the entire rotation where you get two passes, now you've got an open three.

Speaker 4 And so his defense isn't just about a guy getting past him and getting to the basket, but it makes everybody else on defense have to work so much harder and still lose.

Speaker 1 Well, and

Speaker 1 I'm not even like Luca's defense, we know it's not elite. His offense is, but more than just Luca's defense, it's just more of a testament to the Celtics having no holes.
They don't have a guy who

Speaker 1 you can sag off of. They don't have a guy that you can basically say, we're going to ignore them.
They don't have a guy that you can put your worst defender on and say he's going to be okay.

Speaker 1 They have top to bottom guys that can get their own bucket, that can make a three-pointer, that can defend on the other end. And that's why

Speaker 1 they're going to be the champions of the NBA probably

Speaker 1 tonight. And that's a testament to them more than like

Speaker 1 as much as last time was about Luca, I don't want to just have it be all like shit on Luca. It's also the Celtics are just that much better and they're that good of a team.
You know what I mean? Yes.

Speaker 1 Can I say one tweet that I saw that was, I thought very funny that, And I love Wendy. I love, love Wendy, but I'm going to say it, and I love Wendy.

Speaker 1 One person did quote tweet and he said, damn, that's fat on fat crime.

Speaker 4 And I laughed. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 I laughed a little bit. That's a fair point.
That's more of a shot at Luca, by the way.

Speaker 4 But listen, don't go at Wendy. Wendy said nothing wrong.
Wendy, in fact, Wendy, people don't realize how powerful Brian Windhorse is.

Speaker 4 I would make the argument that LeBron is just a Wendy merchant, that Wendy made LeBron, not the other way around.

Speaker 1 I'm like,

Speaker 1 I'm legitimately happy for Wendy and the second part of his career when everyone thought that all he could do was cover LeBron.

Speaker 1 And he is, because he does this every now and then, where he will go hard on someone and it will always be facts. And

Speaker 1 you don't see it that often in traditional journalism, in traditional sports media, because everyone wants their access. Everyone wants to be friendly with the players.

Speaker 1 I mean, we're literally walking. That's what we do uh

Speaker 1 but wendy when he decides that he's gonna go for it it's always factual and it's not like malicious or personal it's just this is what has occurred and this is what needs to be fixed and i love when he does it because there's very few guys that will have that have the balls to do what wendy did yeah yeah

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 hank um you can rejoin the conversation uh

Speaker 1 what were your thoughts on last night i mean that was even in the first the first six minutes of the the game, I thought that this was going to be the Mavs night. Like they came out

Speaker 1 and they were up like 13. And then it felt like there was a weird shift in the universe.

Speaker 1 And it happened to coincide with Max trying to run up the score on you via text message four minutes into the game,

Speaker 1 which was just

Speaker 1 watch one NBA game, Max.

Speaker 6 You were also joining in.

Speaker 1 Barely.

Speaker 1 Barely. I said the Tatum three, when Tatum shot that shot, I said, Hang, are you getting up? 17 pieces of the rim.

Speaker 6 And then you said, Oh, no, Max, you should give him updates.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I want to see you and I want to see you fail your

Speaker 1 max.

Speaker 1 How many updates did I give?

Speaker 7 Just as many as I did.

Speaker 1 That's a lie. That's a lie.
Go look at it. I did not give that up.

Speaker 7 I started to give good Celtics updates.

Speaker 1 The only update I gave was the Tatum.

Speaker 5 Max going at it. This is hard to hear.

Speaker 1 Find me the updates, PFT. What did I say? I said the Tatum shot because that was a funny shot.
Wait, I'm pulling it up. You have to admit that was a funny shot.
It hit like 17 parts of the rim.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was, I mean, again, the first quarter, to your point, it was text messages off the yang. And then I started watching the game, and they almost instantly started coming back.

Speaker 4 The first text I saw was from Max to Hank. He says, drink of water.

Speaker 6 Well, that was at like 2 o'clock when he was like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I'm scrolling back. Do you know how text messages were?

Speaker 4 Okay, this is from Max, 750. Hey, Hank, I don't know if you can watch the game, but do you want me to give you updates? Big Cat, probably should, just to be safe.
Me, my cable is down.

Speaker 4 Can you tell me?

Speaker 1 See, that's PFT. I did the same thing right now.

Speaker 1 Y5,

Speaker 1 totally down. Yeah, but we want Max to get going.

Speaker 4 Hank says, I have them, so I think that's Hank saying he doesn't need updates. Max says, well, the Mavs look pretty good.

Speaker 1 They're currently up 13.

Speaker 1 They look good.

Speaker 4 A lot of game left.

Speaker 1 That's true. There was a lot of game left.

Speaker 4 Hank, yeah, I'm aware. Max, six-point game.
A lot of game left, Hank.

Speaker 4 Big cat, Tatum just hit a swish three. So pure.

Speaker 1 Max. That was the one that bounced on every.

Speaker 4 So pure. Don't think it touched the net.

Speaker 1 Hank, nice.

Speaker 4 Max, two-point game, Hank. No quit.

Speaker 1 And then...

Speaker 1 I told you, I was giving it.

Speaker 4 And then like 10 minutes later, Celtics won. Congrats, Hank.
But Hank is spelled H-A-B-K.

Speaker 1 So I gave one update.

Speaker 6 But none of my updates were done. I only gave one negative update.

Speaker 1 You tried to say, you tried.

Speaker 1 Fact or fiction, you started texting Hank being like, because I thought it was going to be the Mavs Night too.

Speaker 1 But you started texting Hank when they were up 13 and the crowd was rocking and you're like, this is going to be awesome.

Speaker 7 Yeah. No, well,

Speaker 7 also, Hank was having such a good night. It was such bullshit.

Speaker 4 Oh, after Max said, drink of water, Hank says, I didn't even get drunk tonight. I drove.
High on life.

Speaker 1 Either way, I got back.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I got back. My phone died, so I didn't really have my phone.
I

Speaker 5 drove like an hour home, finally got home at like midnight and was just, you know, basking in all of the clips and highlights and tweets and stuff. And then before, so probably like that took an hour.

Speaker 5 Before I went to bed, I just went on the score app and I had no idea the Red Sox were even playing the Phillies and seeing the score that the Red Sox beat the Phillies just was a cherry on the bottom.

Speaker 1 The Phillies were also up to five to one.

Speaker 7 And I tweeted that this is going to be the best team of all time.

Speaker 1 Hard to keep track of all of Hank's dubs.

Speaker 1 And then they got smoked again.

Speaker 5 The only other game thing that I noticed, I was watching some of the replay before we recorded because I was watching on my phone basically until the fourth quarter.

Speaker 5 And then I was watching in a bar, so I wasn't as fully locked in. When the Mavs came back, Jason Kidd called a timeout when they had all of the momentum.

Speaker 5 I think they cut the lead to three, and he called the timeout for seemingly no reason. And that was kind of it.
Like the Celtics.

Speaker 5 The Luca, I think, fouled out right after that, and the Celtics pulled away. They also should have called the foul

Speaker 5 a loose ball foul, and he just ran over Jalen Brown. They didn't

Speaker 1 have

Speaker 7 the illegal screen, which was a horrendous call.

Speaker 6 And they had been letting everything go all night. And that ended the game.

Speaker 7 The Celtics were on their heels.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, he put his shoulder into the guy's neck, but yeah, they also didn't.

Speaker 5 That was a makeup call.

Speaker 5 He did have an illegal screen that they basically did the same play coming down the court of possession before. They didn't call it, and they probably told him, like, don't do it again.

Speaker 5 He did it again. They called it.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 is it a makeup foul or did he put his shoulder shoulder into his neck both

Speaker 1 the uh

Speaker 1 it the celtics did did it was it was bizarre they were cruising that third quarter they were cruising and they were just driving and getting to the rack you know kicking out for open threes and then there was a six minute stretch where they just stopped doing that playing with their

Speaker 5 vintage Yeah, vintage old Celtics. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 Just watching it being like, you guys were doing something that the Mavs could not stop.

Speaker 1 And then you just decided to stop doing it and then they did it at the end and Jalen Brown will probably be the finals MVP would you say him or Drew?

Speaker 5 I think it's it's probably like 60-40 Jalen Brown, but I think game four could could swing it either way to who

Speaker 5 Like if Jason Tatum goes off for like 40 or triple double or something no shot He's shooting like 8% absolutely a shot.

Speaker 4 He has a shot. He has if you look at the odds.
If you look at the odds, Max, I think Las Vegas knows a little bit better than Max. Las Vegas has him at the same time.

Speaker 1 What are the odds?

Speaker 4 I think that he's the second most likely to get MVP. At what? At getting MVP.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 4 at what odds? Look, I can pull it up right now. It's not that far.
It's not that crazy. But right now, I think it's a good one.
If he has a triple

Speaker 5 Jalen Brown has an average game, he'll get it.

Speaker 1 But Jalen Brown, that second half,

Speaker 1 he took over.

Speaker 4 Oh, did you see when they were reviewing the challenge when Luca was fouling out?

Speaker 4 There was a moment where Luca was just staring at the referee, and you could see the look on his face like,

Speaker 4 oh, fuck, I shouldn't have talked all this shit to referees my entire career.

Speaker 1 That's, yeah, because

Speaker 5 do you know who I am? Like him saying, like, oh, you're going to give me six fouls in the finals? Like, dude, you gave, you fouled six times, probably more.

Speaker 4 And the ref that's reviewing it, I'm not saying that he's going to hold something personal against Luca, and if it's not a foul, call it a foul. But if it's close, fuck him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's our Luca flow chart that we said a week ago.
If he hits a shot, he'll yell at someone in the crowd and flex and stare at them.

Speaker 1 And if he misses a shot, he'll be like, I got fouled and start screaming at the ref and slowly get back on defense.

Speaker 1 That's how it goes, every single possession.

Speaker 4 It works. And

Speaker 4 we should maybe lay off Luca for a second because I think that there's something else that we need to discuss. Maybe the reason why Luca is being the way that he is.

Speaker 4 And a guy named Baker Baker Baker pointed this out on Twitter. Luca hasn't won a game or really played well at all since they took the beer out of his hand after the

Speaker 1 Michael Finley.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Yeah, the Western Conference finals. Luca had a beer.

Speaker 4 Finley walks by, sees Luca drinking a beer in the celebration, grabs it out of his hand, walks away, and Luca's just standing there hanging his head.

Speaker 6 You got to let Luca drink.

Speaker 4 Let the man have a beer.

Speaker 1 Well, he's had good games. He just self-deserved better.
Yeah. I mean, game two, he was awesome.
Game one, he was good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, first quarter in that one game. Yeah, he's played well, but I guess I'm more colored by the last half that I saw Luca play and how bad it was.

Speaker 1 It was pathetic.

Speaker 1 All right, Jalen Brown's minus 280. Jason Tatum's plus 250.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it's going to be Jalen Brown. Thank you to DraftKings.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's talk some other things. Anything else, Hank? You're about to raise banner 18 and shave your head.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I'm excited.
Great time to be alive.

Speaker 1 Okay, great answer. Love you guys.

Speaker 1 U.S. Open.

Speaker 1 We have

Speaker 1 Patrick Cantley in first. Or no, Rory's tied with him, correct? Rory's tied with him.

Speaker 1 People mad about what

Speaker 1 do they keep saying? Borderline.

Speaker 1 The course is borderline. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Other big notes I had from this is Brooks having his text interview

Speaker 1 was one of the funniest things I've ever read. If people missed it, Brooks skipped his media today after the round.

Speaker 1 And Iman Lynch texted him, a golf reporter, basically being like, hey, you skipped your interview. Would you would you want to do an interview over text? And Brooks said, Sure, go ahead, fire away.

Speaker 1 And they went back and forth, and it was very funny because Brooks essentially was like, You guys asked really boring questions about the course.

Speaker 1 And oh, you know, when you bogey that hole, do you think you should have shot something different?

Speaker 1 And they went back and forth and back and forth. And Brooks was just brutally honest, and it was very funny, including, I'm going to read my favorite part.
Well, one, Iman tried to correct Brooks.

Speaker 1 He said you're instead of your. So, you know,

Speaker 1 Y-O-U-R instead of Y-O-U-R-E. And Brooks just said, thanks, dad, back to him.
But

Speaker 1 Iman

Speaker 1 was like, oh,

Speaker 1 you're trying to feel bad for yourself. You got a pity party.
What are you going to do after this?

Speaker 1 And Brooks, I'm going to try to find the exact clip. Oh, he tried to tell him, he asked him if he was going to take a nap.
And he said, no, that's my son. I'm not going to take a nap.

Speaker 1 And then the best best line that Brooks had was,

Speaker 1 Jenna's working out and I'm doing my routine, have a dip in and I'm going to get ready for the hockey game. And

Speaker 1 I want more of these Brooks interviews via text. I feel like he's way more honest.

Speaker 4 Go pee's. He might as well answer it all with Go P's.
Yeah. Yeah, start texting him before each, after each round.
Yeah, I really, really undercut the mainstream media.

Speaker 4 I love how Brooks was just like, well, your questions aren't creative enough. And he's like, okay, so what kind of uncreative questions are you being?

Speaker 4 What's the most creative question that you've been asked? And the best example that he had was somebody asked me about the grass.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, what do you think about Bermuda grass?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's, it was a perfect back and forth because I don't think like Brooks wasn't being mean. It was just, he's like, yeah, I didn't really want to do the interview.

Speaker 1 You guys asked the same questions. What do you want me to do? And the guy was kind of pushing back.
And I think it was like a funny back and forth. I liked it.
And we need more of it.

Speaker 1 People are, people can be a little bit meaner via text than than they can face-to-face.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it worked out well. But Rory played very well today.

Speaker 4 Max played okay. But Rory, now that Rory's, he's back, he's totally back, the relationship has been mended.
That was news that came out like last week.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 He's not getting divorced anymore. I thought that was a fake golf.

Speaker 5 That read like a fake golf thing.

Speaker 1 No, we should have known this.

Speaker 4 Nobody melts down like a golfer that's going through a divorce. That's just, it's always.
If you go through a divorce, you lose like five strokes off your game.

Speaker 4 But now that he's back, he's having the makeup sex, and the makeup sex is propelling him to get in the hole.

Speaker 1 Wait, so he essentially said he was gonna get divorced so that he could go hook up with a couple chicks for like a month?

Speaker 4 Who knows?

Speaker 1 What a

Speaker 4 move. A fake divorce.
Are you saying it was a fake divorce, maybe?

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying he probably had intentions of divorcing

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 hooked up with some chicks. I was like, nah, actually, I don't really, I'm good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he started dating one crazy chick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like, I'm good. I'd rather, yeah, I'd rather just have my family.

Speaker 4 Well, he's been out of the game for a long time, right? They got married a while ago, 10, 15 years, something like that.

Speaker 1 So the game's changed a lot since then.

Speaker 4 He's probably not equipped to handle sexting.

Speaker 1 Married in 2017. Not even close.
Oh,

Speaker 4 they were together for a while before that, I thought.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be honest. I'm not a big, I'm not really up on rory mclroy's uh love life

Speaker 1 i'll be i'll hand up

Speaker 5 that's a sports story that i've missed uh did you guys see his final putt

Speaker 1 yeah he walked it in yeah it was sick it was insane he walked it in with like five feet to go and it never had a doubt um hank i also want to say that uh

Speaker 1 it's a little cool that we played mid-puttons

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 1 You're welcome. You're welcome.

Speaker 4 A couple times today I was watching. I was like, oh, I remember that hole.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it was 10 miles away. Yeah, no, but there was a couple times where I saw it in the straw, and I was like, hmm,

Speaker 1 what would I do? Oh, I actually did it. Drive her off the deck.
Yeah, that's what they should do here.

Speaker 4 Same soil, the same grass. I could have answered Iman's questions about the grass.

Speaker 1 I actually was green.

Speaker 5 There's just so much grain talk. It's all about the grain.

Speaker 1 Borderline.

Speaker 1 I saw someone saying that midpines

Speaker 1 better than Pinehurst Pinehurst 2. That Pinehurst 2 isn't even close to the best Pinehurst.

Speaker 5 I think there's only one way to find out. I think we have to go to Pinehurst and play them all and rank them.
Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 This was

Speaker 1 from Mark Calvechia. He was a pro golfer.
He said,

Speaker 1 I'm ready for some abuse. Just going to spit it out.
Pinehurst is such a cool area with great courses. Number two ain't one of them.
Most overrated course in the world. Let me have it, but it's true.

Speaker 1 And then a bunch of people replied and were like, yeah, one and four are better. Mid Pines is better.
And I was sitting there pumping my fist being like, that's us. We played mid-pines.

Speaker 4 I agree. I think mid-pines is way better.

Speaker 1 Way better. Way tougher.

Speaker 1 Better test.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 1 I love the test talk, whatever they say. It's a great test what they've done out here.
None of us.

Speaker 4 None of us shot 500 at mid Pines.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 And they're just bidding this course over. But I hope that the scores don't stay this low.
I hope the course comes out a little bit. It's going to bake out later on this week, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's going to get harder. Can it become more borderline?

Speaker 1 Firmer. No, I think it goes over the line.

Speaker 1 Anything more borderline is officially over the line.

Speaker 4 Right, that's what I was thinking, but I've only heard people say borderline.

Speaker 1 Right, but it could then get over the line.

Speaker 4 I need to be over the line.

Speaker 1 I would like to go over the line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Brooks said that when

Speaker 1 he said, so if we hear anyone say the course is borderline and they're just whining, he said, No, I don't think they're whining. The U.S.
Open always comes close to the line.

Speaker 1 It's just a matter of does it get crossed.

Speaker 1 I want it to get crossed. Cross that line.
I want to get it crossed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I'm excited. It's a good leaderboard to start.
We also had our

Speaker 1 20 Minutes of Tiger

Speaker 1 where everyone was like, oh, my God, look at him. He's doing it.

Speaker 1 And then he wasn't. But it was fun.

Speaker 1 He's around.

Speaker 1 That's the tiger. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Got to see his name for a little bit. Scotty played like ass today.

Speaker 1 Well, Scotty,

Speaker 1 and this is how you know, when Scotty does his interviews and he says,

Speaker 1 you know, all I care about is my wife, my family, my relationship with God. Like, none of this matters to me.
I'm just a regular guy.

Speaker 1 Most of the time when athletes say stuff like that, I think it's just. a little cliche.
They're putting it on thick.

Speaker 1 Scotty's haircut,

Speaker 1 it's the facts. He only cares about those things because I don't know who cut his hair before, but did you guys see it? Oh, I thought he looked good.

Speaker 1 Did you see the sideburns, though? Yeah, he got him. He's got the tan all fucked up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's how you know you're a golfer.

Speaker 1 He doesn't care, though. That's my point.
Like, there's no way that you go out looking like that

Speaker 1 if you care about other things like looks and everything else.

Speaker 4 All right, so I thought the exact opposite of you with his haircut. I thought Scotty definitely cares now.
Scotty cares about his appearance. He's trying to get a swag up.
I thought he looked good.

Speaker 4 He got the nice skin-tight fade. And

Speaker 4 when you're a golfer that spends that much time out in the sun and you not only have the hat tan line, but you've got the tan line from where all your hairs normally are on your head.

Speaker 4 And then they cut them too close and you got that little bit of white back there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he kind of got the little bit of Hank on the sides.

Speaker 1 He got a skin tight fade. Yeah, I thought he looked great.
No, but it's the opposite with

Speaker 1 his sunburn and the lack of color there because it means that he probably got a haircut last night and no one gets a haircut right before the tournament.

Speaker 1 You know, everyone knows a haircut takes at least

Speaker 1 five to seven days to settle in. Right.

Speaker 4 But you're proving my point because Scotty's never been a haircut guy.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 4 this is the first time where he's like, I'm going to look good at the U.S. Open, so I'm going to get my haircut the day before I play, meaning he's caring about all that other stuff now.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it means that he doesn't even think about like he when you get a haircut right before the U.S. Open, he doesn't, he's not even thinking about it.
He literally was just like, Oh, I need a haircut.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter what day it falls. I don't care what I look like.

Speaker 4 No, I think he got the haircut to look good.

Speaker 1 He doesn't look good, though. I think he looks okay.

Speaker 4 He looks good.

Speaker 5 But that's what he was thinking.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, it was, it was an attempt to look good, and he's never been a swag guy, so he doesn't have the experience to know that he's got to get that haircut three days before.

Speaker 1 No, he just went to jail.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 5 he's got that jail swagger. Like, he does have a little bit of bad boy flair.
He's like, I got to get a fade now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's no way

Speaker 1 you guys looked at his haircut and thought it looked good with the way with the way the tan lines have worked out.

Speaker 4 I thought the attempt at looking good, it perked me up. I was like, wow, Scotty's, Scotty's got a good one.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's an attempt at looking good because he's got a wife. She could be like, hey, it looks bad.
He just doesn't care. That's the whole point.
He doesn't care.

Speaker 5 I respect a fade always.

Speaker 1 Was it even a fade?

Speaker 1 There's actually an official U.S.

Speaker 9 Open barber named Monty the Barber.

Speaker 7 He cut one.

Speaker 1 He literally saw free haircuts.

Speaker 9 Tommy Fleetwood.

Speaker 10 I'll show you guys right now.

Speaker 1 The man saw a free haircut. No, I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 4 I think he saw the guys on tour that have style, and he's like, I want to use their barber.

Speaker 1 No, he got a free haircut.

Speaker 11 No, this guy goes to every U.S. Open since 2018.

Speaker 1 I understand, but it's a free haircut. You don't get a haircut from some.

Speaker 1 No one. How do we know who's free? No one who cares about Tiger has hair? No, he doesn't.
He's just hanging on.

Speaker 1 Tiger called off that news reporter. I was like,

Speaker 1 that doesn't get Tiger Woods. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 Tiger's like, actually, my name to that story. I want Tiger Woods to be in the haircut story.

Speaker 1 Tiger being in there is just completely wild.

Speaker 1 No one gets, if you're trying to look good, you don't get a haircut from a guy you don't get a normal haircut from.

Speaker 4 Unless you're a guy that's never been a haircut guy and you're only using the dude

Speaker 1 before.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he does look great. And I guarantee you these guys pay for it.

Speaker 1 I mean, they probably tip.

Speaker 1 This guy's getting to Monty the Barber.

Speaker 1 You can't tell me Scotty cares about what he looks like if he's getting a free haircut the day before the U.S. Open.

Speaker 4 I think he had a moment where he did care what he looked like and he fucked up by getting it too close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Oilers just scored. Wait, so you're admitting that it's a bad haircut if you say he fucked up.

Speaker 4 I think it's

Speaker 1 not.

Speaker 1 You just proved my point.

Speaker 1 I didn't prove your point. You said he fucked up.

Speaker 4 No, I said that he might have gone too close because he's never been a haircut guy. I appreciate the attempt by Scotty, but at the same time, I'm like, Scotty's trying to look stylish.

Speaker 1 It did not look great. The Oilers maybe have a chance here.
4-3. Either way, that was a lot of Scotty Schuffler haircut talk.

Speaker 4 I think the people will bear me out on this one. I think that Scotty was

Speaker 4 trying to do something. Might not have worked out, but he made an attempt.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 he does not care. He does not care what he looks like.
I mean, he looks like a 50-year-old man, and he's 26.

Speaker 1 He cares about God, his wife, and golf. And he doesn't really care about golf.
Like, he does, but he doesn't, because he'll say that after a round if he doesn't play well.

Speaker 1 He's like, I just care about God and my wife. Haircuts are very low on his list of things that he cares about.

Speaker 1 All right. We had Trevor Lawrence got a new contract, $275 million.

Speaker 1 Thoughts?

Speaker 4 Whenever a quarterback signs a big contract, I always like to just jump ahead and think about the next contracts that are coming.

Speaker 4 That's what you have to do when a quarterback signs for a big contract. It's like, who gets more money now?

Speaker 1 Dak's going to get $300?

Speaker 4 Oh, I cannot wait for the Brock Purdy discourse. Yep.

Speaker 4 I can't wait for that contract to come up because, I mean, he's basically Jason Tatum, so he's a really, really, really good quarterback in the regular season.

Speaker 4 Hasn't won the big one yet. not necessarily the best player on his own team, but you're going to have to pay a quarterback, right?

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah, I mean, this is, I still think Trevor Lawrence is a good quarterback.
He had a bad year,

Speaker 1 and you just, this is, this is, when you think that you have the guy, and he might be the guy, but you have to pay him. This is just the cost of doing business in the quarterback world.

Speaker 1 It just keeps going up and up and up.

Speaker 4 And we won't make excuses during the regular season, but after it's over, I think we can say that Trevor Lawrence was one of the more injured quarterbacks throughout the course of the season, just in terms of trying to play through stuff.

Speaker 4 It came out a little bit, but he's still a very good quarterback. And I would love to have a quarterback on my team like

Speaker 1 long-term.

Speaker 4 We have better quarterbacks. I'm just saying,

Speaker 4 if Jaden Daniels was as good as Trevor Lawrence, even at that low bar of my expectation for Jaden Daniels, I'd say lock him up.

Speaker 1 Hank, would you take Drake May or Trevor Lawrence?

Speaker 5 Trevor Lawrence. Oh, really?

Speaker 1 Drake May. Drake May.
I'd take I take no, he said it.

Speaker 1 He said it. I take it for sure.
I'd take Caleb. No questions.
Not even a hesitation. Thanks for watching.
Thanks. Thanks.
Sucks.

Speaker 1 We do need to, Max, we do just need to get to the fall because he'll stop talking.

Speaker 5 Someone tweeted last night, which I don't.

Speaker 5 I'm lying. I want it to happen.

Speaker 5 What if Drake May is the Jason Tatum of

Speaker 5 Markel Fultz?

Speaker 5 like the draft. He was the third pick.

Speaker 1 So Drake May would never be the best player on the Patriots?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, if they're winning championships, who cares?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 That's the Patriot way. I learned that last night over and over and over again.
It wasn't about how great Tom Brady was. It was how great he was as a leader.
He showed up every day.

Speaker 5 He recognized everybody.

Speaker 4 So yes, that means it was about how great Tom Brady was.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure it was about how great Tom Brady was.

Speaker 5 But all the players talked about how great he was. Like, Vince Graham said,

Speaker 5 as good as he was a football player, he was a better guy. And that really stuck in.

Speaker 4 But that's still Tom Brady being great.

Speaker 1 And I very much disagree with that statement. Tom Brady is one of those people who you can absolutely say he's a better football player than he is person.

Speaker 1 I disagree.

Speaker 1 How can you disagree?

Speaker 4 Well, Hank's basically his family. Did he try to make out with you?

Speaker 1 It's not a slight on him, Hank.

Speaker 5 He was staring at me, though, pretty hard.

Speaker 5 He was looking through my soul.

Speaker 1 You think Tom Brady is at the top 0.0001%

Speaker 1 of people?

Speaker 1 Human beings. 100%.

Speaker 1 He has nothing to do with the first person ever.

Speaker 9 Who's the GOAT person?

Speaker 1 Oh, GOAT person. Brady.

Speaker 4 Possibly John Daly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bill Walton.

Speaker 5 Okay, the other

Speaker 5 challenge is out now. Shout out to Pug.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Pug. Way to go, Pug.
Pug also got tickets to the Cubs game. That has been resolved.

Speaker 4 Pug is now our official plug. He's Pug the Plug.
And if you need anything, you just ask Pug.

Speaker 4 And then he'll ask for you. He'll find the right person and get it for you.

Speaker 1 Yes, absolutely. All right, so we're watching the last minute 49 of the Oilers-Panthers game.
I really would love for the Oilers to tie this up so that we could get...

Speaker 1 This would be such a bummer if we got two sweeps

Speaker 1 i know yep shut up hank not

Speaker 1 it's so quick pft like i actually was happy for him yesterday and and i love hank and it's his birthday and i love the guy um

Speaker 5 but as soon as i see him and he starts opening his mouth it's like i i don't know why i say i love him we just have to wait for football season yeah i think this probably might be the most hated show of all time i realize i talked more in the beginning of this show than i've ever talked in this show's history and i i think the reviews and ratings are going to show that, but that's fine.

Speaker 4 We just got to get to it. We got to get to September.
Once we get to September.

Speaker 5 McGregor UFC canceled.

Speaker 4 Yep. It felt like this was going to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That sucks. Probably should have known.

Speaker 1 Nailed it. Nailed it.
We probably should have known this was going to happen.

Speaker 1 We probably should have known this was going to happen when McGregor was

Speaker 1 at the club like four weeks ago, like beyond fucked up, up. And oh, no, not an empty nighter goal.
We should have known it at that point, I'd think, PFT.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it seemed like it for a while.

Speaker 4 And when they're delaying, when they're canceling press conferences and weigh-ins getting delayed and shit, it just, it felt like it was never going to happen.

Speaker 4 I want to know what actually went down, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do they have some sort of reality show that's following UFC around?

Speaker 1 I saw some clips of Dana White. I saw that clip where they told John Jones that he was out for a year, and that seemed like it was behind-the-scenes camera.

Speaker 4 That might have been a rerun, too.

Speaker 1 That could have been. Yeah.
Well, no, it's for injury.

Speaker 1 Not for suspension.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 4 The writers really went fucking dummy with that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I had two last things.

Speaker 1 One was. Dan Hurley did a long interview with Matt Norlander from CBS, and I wanted to share just a couple quotes with you guys because I thought it was very funny.

Speaker 1 The first one, so it was just talking about his entire process the whirlwind everything that happened the first one was he was asked did you seek out uh did you seek out or try and seek out mike kzzzewski at all because he turned down the lakers 20 years ago under different circumstances dan hurley said no i was so overwhelmed at a point you know i was a little paralyzed i appreciate dan hurley basically saying that was him saying i knew that what coach k was trying to do here and i wasn't going to talk to the guy who was trying to set me up so that was nice uh the other one that was great was

Speaker 1 he was talking about the process and running into people throughout it. He talked a great story about how outside the Billy Joel concert, he saw a woman that he,

Speaker 1 her husband, they were best friends growing up. And the woman was like, you're not LA, you're Jersey.
You can't, you can't do this. You can't leave.

Speaker 1 Anyway, Matt Norlander said, wait, you were eating breakfast out in LA and people were coming up to you?

Speaker 1 And he said, yeah, driving by on bikes and double-taking you, yelling something about the Lakers, like walking out of the workout room at the hotel the day I was meeting with them after getting my cardio in.

Speaker 1 And I'm literally rounding the corner. And there's a med student, a UConn student who's there as part of a bridal party who's bending the corner.
And I almost knock into her.

Speaker 1 And we kind of make eye contact. We both keep walking.
And then she recognizes me and comes back. She says, hey, coach, I go to UConn.
Don't go. I'm here for a wedding.
You're not going. Are you?

Speaker 1 I know why you're here. It was weird.
Just weird, weird stuff.

Speaker 1 Billy football's interaction is definitely one of those weird, weird things.

Speaker 4 He's one of the people yelling stuff at you. Yes.
Yeah, that's one of his. I was out there just trying to have him mimosa and tank a job interview.
And next thing I know, I got this guy.

Speaker 4 He says he's a professional boxer with hands that could kill a man. And he's asking me questions about

Speaker 4 if I'm going to take the Lakers' job. And I just look at him and tell him to be quiet.
And next thing I know, I'm getting linked to this job.

Speaker 1 Next thing you know, it's being reported. And then the last one I wanted to say, which made me laugh.

Speaker 1 He was asked about the Billy Joel concert. And

Speaker 1 the reporter asked, I want to stick on two more questions with Billy Joel concert. One, did you know who Trey Anastasio was when he came on?

Speaker 1 Were you remotely aware of the rarity of what was happening there? Any thoughts of Trey's guest spots with Billy? And Dan Hurley said, I was not. I had no idea who that was.

Speaker 1 So Fish, he's a guitarist for Fish.

Speaker 1 I love that. I don't want Dan Hurley to know who Fish is.

Speaker 1 It's fucking perfect that he had no idea who Trey was.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's classic coach shit where they don't, like when Belichick used to not understand what Snapface

Speaker 4 the other one was. I forget what he called like Instagram.
But yeah, I want my coaches to be as completely untethered from nature as possible.

Speaker 1 Just absolute psychos.

Speaker 4 I have a theory that I've been mulling over today about this whole Dan Hurley thing. See if you can follow me on this one, or if I'm just being like way over my skis.

Speaker 4 ESP announced today that J.J. Reddick was now interviewing with the Los Angeles Lakers for the head coaching position.
Call me crazy.

Speaker 4 I think I read something about that like like a week and a half ago

Speaker 4 when Shams reported it.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 Dan Hurley and Woge are great friends.

Speaker 4 Do you think that there's any chance that Woge was pissed off that Shams beat him to a Lakers story and then he called the Lakers and was like, what, if you interview Dan Hurley, I can get him on the phone.

Speaker 4 That way, Woge could get Dan Hurley out to LA, report that. Then after that was over, Woge could then break the news about J.J.
probably taking the Lakers' job.

Speaker 1 Okay, I like the thinking. It's a free-thinking thought.

Speaker 1 My only question would be: why would the Lakers willingly get embarrassed publicly for just Woach?

Speaker 4 Woj might have set this whole thing up.

Speaker 1 Maybe Wojciech.

Speaker 1 So they didn't.

Speaker 1 The Lakers were about to hire J.J. Reddick, and then I saw something that said.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 5 I saw something that Shams is clutches in clutch's pocket. Woge is in Palinka's pocket.
And Palinka used Woge about Hurley to give them leverage in the JJ negotiations.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, that makes more sense.

Speaker 4 That could be possible. But what I was saying is that maybe Woge kind of told the Lakers, like,

Speaker 4 I can deliver Dan Hurley to you.

Speaker 1 But Woj didn't fully win here because, like, did you see Shams doing a little bit of a victory lap saying

Speaker 1 he kind of went back at Woge and was like, yeah, they were going, Dan Hurley was, I guess, the, or Dan Hurley was the first choice, I guess. Like,

Speaker 1 Shams was kind of dunking back on Woach because they didn't hire Dan Hurley. Yeah.
Woach ended up not being right. He just had a week where he looked like he was getting it over Shams.

Speaker 4 Well, Woge was right that they were interviewing Dan Hurley.

Speaker 4 He didn't say that Dan was going to get the job.

Speaker 4 And if I was Shams, I would do the exact same thing because you had that story and then there was like a speed bump and now it's back to your story again.

Speaker 1 I think Hanks is more likely

Speaker 4 because if Woge told Rob Palenka, I can deliver Dan Hurley to you, he goes out.

Speaker 1 I wanted JJ

Speaker 1 didn't want to give JJ

Speaker 4 after the interview, Dan Hurley said no thanks, then Woj had to be like, oh my bad, I thought he wanted this job. He had to change a heart.

Speaker 1 But what Hank's saying makes way more sense because Polenka wanted to pay JJ less and LeBron wanted JJ, but they didn't want to seem like they were just going to hire whoever LeBron wanted.

Speaker 1 They wanted to go out and say, hey, we're going to hire Dan Hurley. Also, Dan Hurley is a fucking awesome coach.
They probably wanted to hire Dan Hurley.

Speaker 1 Probably, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's probably the most likely explanation is that they wanted Dan Hurley. He said no.
Now they're going to go with JJ. But what if Wodes just controls the entire NBA?

Speaker 1 That could be true.

Speaker 5 I do love it. And they'll never, you know, there's never,

Speaker 5 there's no market for it, and they'll never be completely honest. But it was like this with Schefter and Rapaport, and now it's Woge and Shams.

Speaker 5 Like, I just love thinking about how mad they get at stuff.

Speaker 5 Like, when Shams is on ESPN saying, like, I guess, like, they're just reporters, and there will never be an actual reality show for them, and they would never actually show how mad they are.

Speaker 5 But like, he was, he probably threw something. Like,

Speaker 5 that little comment, that little comment got him as mad as anything could could in the world.

Speaker 5 And like Raphort and Shepherd, like that shit used to be so juicy, and they would get so mad at each other and so many like sub sub shots and everything. It's great.

Speaker 1 And I remember, like, I imagine when Woge first announced the Danny Hurley thing, Shams was sitting in his parents', I think he still lives at home, parents' kitchen, and like his mom was like, Here's your breakfast.

Speaker 1 She's like, no, mom, not right now.

Speaker 1 Like, I just missed a scoop. Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 9 It's awesome. It's like the John Clayton commercial, the ESPN commercial.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
He was, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oilers just lost.
Panthers on the brink as well. We're going to get two sweeps.

Speaker 1 This was the game that the Oilers were going to win if they were going to win a game because it was game three back in Edmonton. Did you see that Florida had flight problems?

Speaker 1 They didn't get in till late last night. Edmonton had been there for two days.
It's over.

Speaker 4 I just need more sports.

Speaker 1 I'm ready to learn dingers only, buddy.

Speaker 4 I need more sports right now. And I do like baseball, but it's too early for me to just only pay attention to baseball.

Speaker 4 Baseball is a great sport to pay attention to with like 50% of your attention going to a different sport.

Speaker 1 Well, I have one other sports story we could talk about.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 8 He's just taking a week off.

Speaker 1 So there's no problem.

Speaker 1 There's so much. There's so little of a problem.
We've had 15 stories about how there's there's no problem.

Speaker 8 There's no problem. The problem is Robert Sala handled the situation wrong.

Speaker 4 That sounds like a problem.

Speaker 1 That sounds like a problem. It's a problem, but it's not a problem.
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 It's a riddle?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, is he the only quarterback, starting quarterback, who's not in minicamp right now?

Speaker 8 Mandatory minicamp, yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, what? That word mandatory

Speaker 1 confused. Yeah.
What was that word? What does that mean?

Speaker 8 That's when teams can start finding players for missing yeah

Speaker 4 so otas interesting when i when i brought this up on the last show you you said it wasn't a problem at all you said this was a florio wet dream and you but then you just said right now it's half of a problem it is you might be half florio

Speaker 8 no

Speaker 8 no no no no yeah

Speaker 1 no

Speaker 1 You're shouting like a Florio right now. No, no, no.

Speaker 8 They just handle they handled it wrong. The coaches handled it wrong.

Speaker 1 The PR handled it wrong. That's a problem.
It is a problem, but it's not a problem.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you're becoming a Florio.

Speaker 1 So I'm very confused because it sounds everything you just told me sounds like there's a problem here.

Speaker 8 There's no problem. As long as he's there for week one, no problem.

Speaker 1 So why are we talking about it then?

Speaker 8 Because there's a bunch of yappers out there who just need something to talk about.

Speaker 1 Who started it, though?

Speaker 1 That'd be Bob.

Speaker 1 Bob? Bob who? Bob Salah.

Speaker 1 That's the coach of the Jets.

Speaker 8 It's the coach of the Jets.

Speaker 1 That's a problem.

Speaker 4 I think, now, James, try to follow me on this one. I think that Bob would not have talked about it being a problem

Speaker 4 if it wasn't a problem.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 So then now we got a couple problems.

Speaker 8 Maybe, maybe Bob's

Speaker 1 the best speaker up there, which is bad for your head football project.

Speaker 1 That's a problem. That is a problem.
I've seen him be a leader of men.

Speaker 4 I've seen him do a few interviews. He seems like a pretty good speaker.

Speaker 8 I've seen him do a couple.

Speaker 8 He's not the best speaker.

Speaker 4 I think it's a problem. I think that there might be a problem there.
There's no problem. He's fine.

Speaker 8 He's probably like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Help at a charity event.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 He's at like in a whole week. He's at a charity event.

Speaker 1 I want to follow this.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 he's at a charity event for an organization that wants people to know as little about them as possible. So that's why Aaron can't say what charity he's attending.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's under wraps right now. He's working on some stuff, and then it'll go public in the fall.

Speaker 4 I do like,

Speaker 4 I kind of.

Speaker 1 Does he get like a BBL or something?

Speaker 4 That would rock if he came back with a giant ass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Someone put it perfectly. This is

Speaker 1 a listener, KM Breslin one. He said, it's such a non-problem that some are saying it's a problem.
How much of a problem others are making it when it's not a problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not a problem.

Speaker 1 But then it becomes a problem because people are making, it's so not a problem that it's crazy. People are talking about it as a problem.
That in itself is a problem.

Speaker 4 Things are almost too perfect, and then people are like,

Speaker 4 why is this going so swimmingly? That's an issue. Now we've got issues.

Speaker 1 Like the Jets might, the Jets' biggest problem might be that they have so many non-problems. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're making other teams jealous because they've got it so good.

Speaker 1 Like, all they do is talk about how there's not a problem.

Speaker 1 When you see that, you got to think, well, is that a problem? That there's just no tension whatsoever?

Speaker 4 I saw some people making the point that Tom Brady missed a few of these camps as well over the course of his career, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal or a problem.

Speaker 4 That was also Tom Brady after he was winning Super Bowls with the team that he played with for years and years and years,

Speaker 4 with the same players that he played with for years and years and years. Yes, memes.

Speaker 8 So that was on the Bucs. Tom Brady missed two weeks.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then they won the Super Bowl after a week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he told me that.

Speaker 4 Did he play more or fewer than five snaps for the Bucs that first year?

Speaker 4 He played more. I think he played the entire season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he won a Super Bowl memes. So there's a

Speaker 1 difference.

Speaker 8 Tom Brady told the Bucs in advance,

Speaker 1 and they

Speaker 4 said it was excused.

Speaker 8 So people are saying that if Aaron Rodgers actually did tell them in advance, and then Robert Salah just went on to the podium

Speaker 1 and blurred everything out on a Monday.

Speaker 8 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Everything you say just seems, it's just a big blinking problem. Yeah.
That's all I see. Every time you open your mouth, memes, just problem.

Speaker 4 He's fine. He's fine.

Speaker 1 Who? Who? Aaron Rodgers is fine.

Speaker 8 Robert Salad just needs to shut up. We're fine.

Speaker 4 Got it. Hank, are you taking pictures of the side of your face to look at your haircut?

Speaker 5 I just felt a little... No, I just felt a weird little bump.

Speaker 1 Oh. Everything okay? Was that you going to the doctor?

Speaker 1 Just taking a picture?

Speaker 5 Ignore me, sorry.

Speaker 1 Wow, that would, I mean, what a... What a plot twist this episode would be.

Speaker 5 I know. I know.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. It'd be a real shame.
Memes and Max are just sitting there rubbing their hands together right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, memes, don't fucking nod at that. Jesus Christ, dude.

Speaker 1 Hank's fine, too.

Speaker 8 Aaron Rodgers fine, Hank. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Let's get to, let's do our interview. This has been a very fun show, boys.
Let's do our interview with Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes in studio. Very fun with those guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here we go. We have Matt Barnes, Steven Jackson in studio.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on two very special guests. One recurring guest is Matt Barr and Steven Jackson, the guys from All the Smoke.

Speaker 1 Incredible podcasters. First of all, congrats.
Thank you. I know last time we had you on, Matt, it was before all this stuff.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I was still in the NBA, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Back in your guys' New York days.
Yeah. 2017.
So, I mean, let's start with the podcast. You guys have like blown up.

Speaker 1 I mean, what's the big thing that has like resonated with people that you guys are like, oh, shit, this is actually working?

Speaker 12 We didn't really know what what a podcast was at the time you know what i mean we just knew that we were both working at espn and fox and it was fun but you know it was kind of a straight line and he and i like to draw outside the lines you know most of our lives so i pitched him the podcast idea he said what is it but i'm down i was like i don't know but i'll figure it out and we met brian daly cold pitched him and um over they are just starting showtime basketball and cold pitched him he liked it and man we took off in our first season we uh won Sports Podcast of the Year.

Speaker 1 Wow. Congrats.
Wait, who gave that out?

Speaker 1 Were we up for that? If y'all didn't win it, it's not a real award. If y'all ain't wanna get it.
No, no, no. I don't think so.

Speaker 4 I mean, if you ever listen to this show, we shouldn't win.

Speaker 1 No, we should definitely never win.

Speaker 4 Every day we wake up, we're like, how are we still allowed to do this?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he lets us do this.

Speaker 4 Were you guys surprised with how much work you had to put into it?

Speaker 12 It's a lot. It's a lot to get it off the ground.

Speaker 12 You know, but as I was explaining before we got on the air, we bulk shoot. So we'll, you know, we'll shoot probably every four to six weeks.

Speaker 12 And we'll shoot, you know, in two or three days, we'll shoot six, seven, eight shows, and then just bank them.

Speaker 12 And then as current events hit through any of our guests, we'll blast that part, but we still kind of have everybody slotted.

Speaker 12 So to get it off the ground, it was just a lot, but I think now we kind of hit our rhythm. You know, we're in our shit fourth or fifth season now or fifth year, excuse me.

Speaker 12 And, you know, it's kind of like clockwork now.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Where do you guys see it going from here?

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm looking around. Yeah, I think I'm looking at the beer.
Yeah, I'm looking around. Yeah.
That's why I'm just looking around saying, well, the direction we're trying to get to. This is it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, obviously, congratulations to you guys and everything you guys accomplished in this space. And that's kind of our next goal.

Speaker 12 You know, we went from one show to, you know, signing a multi-year deal with DraftKings and partnering with Metal Lark. And, you know, we put out five shows, Q1.

Speaker 12 So, you know, we built a whole production company out of this. So, kind of the direction you guys are going.

Speaker 4 You have your own facility, the Smokehouse. So, yeah,

Speaker 12 I like the name. So, we're actually in L.A.
looking for buildings as we speak. So,

Speaker 12 we're trying to get there. So, it's good to obviously be here, but then also.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a blueprint to see what you guys have going on. Do you guys still, do you guys still hoop regularly or no? I box.
Oh, yeah, I don't. That's a scary proposition.
Yeah, boxing softball.

Speaker 1 Boxing softball, just to stay in shape, just to stay in shape.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, being an athlete, you got to do something because your body really starts to shut down when you stop, you know, when you stop being active.

Speaker 1 So I just try to stay active and softball and boxing.

Speaker 4 That would be a good podcast. Just go like three rounds with somebody and do like five minutes.

Speaker 1 Speaking of that, I have a boxing show called Fight Towns.

Speaker 1 The new episode is actually dropping next week with Ben Avidez because he has a fight next week. And Roy Jones, it's the first time they actually get a chance to meet.

Speaker 1 And Roy Jones actually gets in the ring and teaches him stuff. So it's going to be a dope episode.
I like that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just fight your guests.

Speaker 1 We're getting in the fight game. All the smoke fight coming soon.

Speaker 4 Can you talk shit while you're boxing?

Speaker 1 It's kind of hard with the mouthpiece in. Yeah.
But I think breathing is way more important than talking shit in boxing.

Speaker 1 You ever want to fight in a rough and rowdy?

Speaker 1 We have a boxing league. I would never do that.
No. Not at 46.

Speaker 1 If I would have started maybe my 30s, you know, I've been punched hard before in real life, in real fights with bare knuckles, and I know you can't play boxing. You have to really be in shape.

Speaker 1 So I would never do it like a charity match or no, I'm not doing that. What if I told you that I talked to Tony Parker yesterday? He called you out.

Speaker 1 I would give Tony Parker a hug and say, Tony, you don't want these problems. I would hurt Tony.

Speaker 1 Who's more likely to come on the podcast? Because I know you said that you would have Derek Fisher on.

Speaker 1 Who's more likely, though, Tony Parker or Derek Fisher? Well, I mean, either one of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm at the point now where I'm more worried about success than people, right? So I don't have anything personal with any of them. I have my opinions, of course, that I stand strongly on.

Speaker 1 But having them come on the show, I don't want to physically hurt anybody. You know what I'm saying? I'm cool with

Speaker 1 disagreeing with people, but the respect going to remain the same. Have you had a guest on that you didn't like going into it? I haven't.
No. I don't think it.

Speaker 1 That's the next level. I don't think we should have a guest that we don't like, though.
Why? That's the disagreement. It's fun to.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Well, it got to be somebody that we respect at the same time. It can't be somebody that wants to disrespect us.
Yeah, right. We're going to beat the shit out of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because we've had a lot of guests that have shown up and we're like, we've said a lot of shit about you.

Speaker 1 And it gets interesting. It gets interesting because we have to like cop to all of it.

Speaker 1 You can't have someone on if you've said some shit and then not say it.

Speaker 1 I even feel like, you know, I don't know how he is with it, but like

Speaker 1 he wants to have Derek on. I always feel a certain way, but since he feels like he was one Derek on, I'm cool with it now.
I'm cool with having Kwame on the show. I don't think he's cool with that.

Speaker 1 No, I don't mind that shit.

Speaker 1 So, a lot of guys that we had words with,

Speaker 1 I don't physically want to hurt or be in contact with anybody. You know what I'm saying? We're going to disagree.
As men, you should be able to disagree. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But the respect should remain.

Speaker 12 I just feel like life is too short, man, to dislike or hate or carry that.

Speaker 1 And I don't play fair. So

Speaker 1 make sure if you want to get into that with me, that you're willing to be low.

Speaker 1 Unless I'm going low. I'm just saying Kwame's name, by the way.

Speaker 1 Let's not say it anymore because we're going to end up in one of his videos where he's sitting in his truck.

Speaker 4 He loves going live, and I love tuning into it just because you never know what the fuck Kwame's going to be talking about. But he's going to be saying something with his chest.

Speaker 4 You're going to be like, damn, I don't want to mess with Kwame.

Speaker 1 But he's definitely built something for himself. Now, a lot of people watching, he got a great audience now, so salute to him.
You know, we said his name and made him hot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? So salute to him for taking advantage of it. Hell yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 When he's like, meet me in a mutual combat state.

Speaker 4 If it's a dude that knows which states are mutual combat states, that's the guy you do not want to mess with.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 But then again, you got to remember, Kwame's 6'10, 280, living in the country, living wood all day.

Speaker 1 That's a different type of strong. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I love how you were talking about Derek and Steven. You were like, I don't know, like, you're a good teammate.
You're like, if he's in, I guess if you're cool with it, that's fine.

Speaker 4 But I'm going to be on high alert when that dude's here.

Speaker 1 That's just how I am. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 12 you know, the funny thing about that shit is, you know,

Speaker 12 after the altercation went down, that following summer, it happened at the beginning of the season, that following summer, you know, my kids were cool and were, you know, cared about him.

Speaker 12 And that's what kind of just made me, because I was over the situation. Now, I could have been cool or I could have been beef for life.
I wasn't really tripping.

Speaker 12 And my sons are just like, you know, I'd always ask my sons, you know, how is it? How's it going? They're like, you know, we loved this.

Speaker 12 So, you know, I pulled them to the side and we had a conversation. Like, hey, man, I'm still in the league.
You know, we had our issues. This is why I did what I did.
He explained his side.

Speaker 12 And then, you know, we were cool. I even told him, like, you know, you're going to see my kids more than me because I'm still playing.

Speaker 12 You know, you got to teach them how to be men and principles and morals. And if that makes sense uh you know all kinds of yeah yeah that don't make sense

Speaker 1 so just kind of like you know you do the morals

Speaker 1 you know just kind of be that father figure while i'm gone you know i mean so i mean i say all that to say like we ended up squashing and we've been cool to last however long however long ago it like we just were funking for eight months yeah i mean you are you are a really good friend steven i i do think um now that we're so far removed from the malice of the palace and you know obviously it was unfortunate but your take from all of it was like i'm a really good teammate i'm a really good friend.

Speaker 1 Do you think people have like come around to that where it's like, that's a guy you just want to ride and die with?

Speaker 1 People that actually know me that doesn't have anything personal against me see it that way. Yeah.
Right. That actually know me.

Speaker 1 People on the outside that just see me run up there and punch in the fan, they don't know that I've never been in a fight in the NBA game.

Speaker 1 They don't know that I've never been in trouble in my life before that incident, right? You just look at me like, this guy's a troublemaker. No, I'm just a loyal friend.

Speaker 1 And I would be that to anybody that, you know, that I rock with. So, I mean, if, like I said, it depends on how my friend is.
I'm loyal to a fault sometimes. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 But I'd rather be loyal to a fault than not lawyer at all. Yeah.
Are we friends? Yes, we're buddies. Fuck yeah.
Just for the record.

Speaker 1 No one's better step to me. Just for the record I can.

Speaker 4 The Indiana Fever need to sign you as like an assistant coach.

Speaker 1 Have you just talked about it? We talked about looking at her. They're looking out for teammates.
Yeah, that's what we said.

Speaker 4 Like, where are teammates at? Like, is she not on good terms with her teammates? Because that was the weird part to me was nobody really seemed to have her back in that.

Speaker 1 I remember when Greg Popovich, when we were playing my second time in San Antonio, and he was like, we were playing the Clippers, and they were just throwing lobs and just dunking.

Speaker 1 And he was like, I need you to go in the game and give me a little nasty. I'm like, what you mean, Popo? As soon as they throw a lob to DeAndre Jordan, don't even go for the ball.
Just take him out.

Speaker 1 And I went up and DeAndre Jordan, you know, he jumps probably like 20 feet higher than me. So when I jumped up to stop, I didn't even go for the ball.

Speaker 1 I just hit his arm and stopped the lob and pop like, yeah, we need that. Tim was all happy.
And DeAndre came up to me like, bro, don't do that shit no more.

Speaker 1 Coach sucked me in the game.

Speaker 1 And he keeps tapping me like, okay, good job, bro.

Speaker 1 Pop used to send people in games just to bring nasty. You know what I'm saying? Because you got to protect your stars.
That's what you're there for. You don't want Tim.

Speaker 1 Tim goes down, our whole season is over. Caitlin goes down, your season is over.
You're already struggling. You got to be somebody to go in there and beat an enforcer.

Speaker 1 They need that in the boxing. Charles Oakley, guys like that.
You need guys like that. They need a nasty, yeah.
Just like, how many nasties did you have? Draymond Green. You need a guy like that.

Speaker 1 Well, Greg Poppins said that. every championship team needs a Draymond game, needs a Raw and R test.
You got to have that one guy.

Speaker 1 It's, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I always think like when I look at a guy like Draymond, it's finding a guy who will always live kind of on the edge.

Speaker 1 And you can deal with every now and then him going over the line as long as he can stay on that edge more often than not. And it can't be your most talented guy.
Right.

Speaker 1 It has to be the guy that's with, that you can,

Speaker 1 what's the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 1 That you can.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to find a word. It's early.
It's early. Yeah, we should have said that for the first time.

Speaker 1 He's just a guy that you're willing, that you don't need to, you actually don't need him in the fourth quarter. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Because.

Speaker 12 Well, they need Draymond though in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm saying, but he got to be a guy that's risky, that could take risks. That's what I'm looking, but that could take risks.

Speaker 1 Because some games, Draymond might not be there in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 He might get kicked out in the third, but what he did in the third to get kicked out might be important for you to win the game in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 12 I think what made him great is the ability to walk that line. And like you said, sometimes you step over that line and you'll take it.

Speaker 12 You know, I think he started to realize that as an individual, because he's very intelligent, like, damn, I'm stepping over that line a little too much

Speaker 12 past season. You know, I'm caught.

Speaker 1 His talent was the bullshit, besides defense. Yeah.
His talent was the that's true. Now, can you have two of those guys on a team? No, no.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been on a team where there were two of those guys? Me and Ronaldo Test. Yeah, you walked in.

Speaker 1 Me and Ronald Test.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. Yeah, exactly.
You see what happened. Did you walk in the locker room? You're like, wait, hold on.
There's two of us? Might have been? Yeah, right. Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Well, I start seeing that as a season. I'm like, like hold up man

Speaker 4 one wrong situation with this team It's gonna go down Yeah, one of my favorite quotes is from from big John Thompson He said you can win a championship with one of those guys You need one of those guys for a championship if you have two of them.

Speaker 4 They'll get you fired.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no question

Speaker 1 might not work with two one yeah, you definitely need one Yeah

Speaker 1 When you guys first met what was the because tell me if I'm wrong, but like a NBA locker room I think when we're watching as fans We're like, oh, these guys are on the team together.

Speaker 1 They're all best friends. That's obviously not the case.

Speaker 1 There's a million different personalities, but right some guys do become best friends yeah when you guys first walked in a locker room together was there something that connected you where you're like oh yeah we're gonna be friends

Speaker 12 i saw his lips and i knew he smoked

Speaker 1 we got the whiskey lips yeah it just were weathered and dark

Speaker 12 yeah it just was weathered and dark i was like oh he smokes

Speaker 1 weathered it's weathered

Speaker 12 hey he got traded to our team at the trade deadline or right before the trade deadline i think the end of january we were struggling at the time and we wanted to shake things up, and they brought him Al, and I think Sharunas.

Speaker 1 I was scarred up, too. Yeah, Jack.

Speaker 12 Yeah, Jack was just

Speaker 12 fresh off of NBA strip club shootout. You know what I mean? So he needed to reload.
He's in the witness protection program.

Speaker 1 They sent him to Oakland.

Speaker 12 And as soon as he walked in, I'm just like, oh, because we played together for years, but never real, no interaction. But as soon as he walked in, I looked at his lips.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, he smokes.

Speaker 12 And from that day. I looked at him.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 1 That's my friend right there.

Speaker 4 I mean, that can't be that uncommon, though. I feel like in professional sports in general, especially now, things have changed a little bit.
Like, back when you guys were playing,

Speaker 4 it was a very common thing, but it wasn't as socially acceptable. It was like, outwardly, yeah, smoke weed.
But nowadays, it's like, yeah, in the NFL, they kind of pulled back the drugstore.

Speaker 4 If you don't, like, something wrong with you if you don't.

Speaker 12 I think, I mean, I think during our career, and even though we were risking over half the league was smoking, I would say probably even more towards 60 or 70%, but you know,

Speaker 12 they've kind of changed.

Speaker 12 And, you know, when I retired and one of our other brothers, Al Harrington, retired, we we were flying to New York to talk into the NBA and the MPPA and telling them they needed to do more in-depth studying because there was no study on the positive benefits at the time.

Speaker 12 It was just the gateway and all that old shit from the 80s that everyone was sticking by. So

Speaker 12 the NBA started looking into it. The MBPA started looking into it.
And the doctors still butted heads. They finally came to a conclusion and understood the benefits of the plan.

Speaker 12 And I think starting in the bubble. during COVID is when they stopped testing.
And then after that, the shit was gone.

Speaker 12 So, you know, although we missed out on it, you know, we've, you know, we kind of take pride in the fact that, you know, we were someone to help push the lines.

Speaker 12 And luckily, this, this next generation doesn't have to. I mean, at the end of the day, we were risking our, you know, risking our career, risking a lot of money

Speaker 12 to do that. But, you know, there was no alternative for us.

Speaker 1 And it is. I mean, it's, we have a lot of friends who are NFL players or ex-NFL players.

Speaker 1 Like, they got to a point in their career, like, I don't want to take these pills that they keep prescribing us. Like, let me just smoke.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And, like, that, that will, that will deal with the pain a lot better. Even with Jake Plummer now, with, uh, with his company, um, with the mushrooms, we went out there

Speaker 1 episode coming with him. And oh, nice, he's the best, very educational, yeah, like to the point where I'm taking the drops and stuff every day, even the stuff to sleep.

Speaker 1 Yep, but I didn't know anything about it until we went down and talked to Jake, you know, about the um

Speaker 12 before he was just throwing them in his mouth and chewing them. Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 this wasn't a healthy one, yeah, that's okay. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Did you guys go to his farm? Yeah, yeah, we did too.

Speaker 1 You're like, Are we in the right place? Did you have to space cheetos? Yeah, uh, I don't No, I think it was all main tacos. We had that one in mind.
Yeah, we had that too.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to remember the rishi.

Speaker 1 The rishi mushroom. Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's his favorite mushroom.

Speaker 4 He talked about how it talks in the earth to the other mushrooms. It's trippy stuff.
But yeah. What is the place?

Speaker 12 I didn't even cut you off. What was the place we went to called?

Speaker 1 Humbo.

Speaker 12 No, no, no, no. Oh, the Yurik.
Did you go to the Yurik? They take you to his buddy's house that has the Yurik and the TP?

Speaker 1 No, we don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to get it. Oh, no.
We went to the Yurik. Damn it.
I think they thought we were cops. Yeah, they looked at Big Cat.
They thought we were cops.

Speaker 4 They saw Big Cat's mustache, and they were like, this guy might be the police.

Speaker 1 That just ruined my day.

Speaker 1 He definitely gave us the Narc Tour. We're going back.

Speaker 1 We're going to show him the ripple. Kept it very surface.

Speaker 1 We're going back. I'm going back to see what it's really, really like.

Speaker 4 He's doing very cool stuff, and he's just a cool guy, too.

Speaker 1 Super good.

Speaker 12 I think our episode with him drops soon.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so you brought up.

Speaker 12 We've got some cool zlattes over here. Yeah, some post lights.

Speaker 4 We got an octopus and formaldehyde over there.

Speaker 1 If you want to take a look at it everywhere,

Speaker 1 it's a really cool 13 year olds bedroom yeah exactly i take that as a compliment think think

Speaker 12 you were talking about the bubble and how how they kind of changed the rules in the bubble they didn't really have a choice because they're like we've got these guys pretty much trapped in here we have to let them at least smoke weed and you guys think i don't know how long the break was but i think it was like four to six weeks off and we didn't like i was already out but guys didn't know what was going on so you know a lot of them partook and i'm just thinking like yo if you start testing guys and you come back in the bubble and you got some star players not able to play while you're in the bubble because of this bullshit rule it's gonna look really bad so I think they kind of looked big picture like okay and like you said they were locked in there you know what I mean so they had to give them something to do and and then that was one of them yeah what helped J.R.

Speaker 1 Smith I think the whole time he was in the bubble I got a call from him probably seven eight every morning him by his bathroom window um venting to me about how much he hate the bubble and we smoking together every morning.

Speaker 1 That's the way he survived doing the bubble, waking up and smoking and calling me on FaceTime, bro. I can't wait to get out of here.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and it's interesting because when you guys play in the league, I feel like the transition between, or maybe it's not a transition, but the realization that the players have had in the last 20 years, they realize that they have the power in this league.

Speaker 4 In the NFL, it's different. You've got 53-man rosters.
You've got... you know, guys that are interchangeable.

Speaker 4 But in the NBA, the players, especially the star players, but really it's everyone, the players have all the power in this dynamic.

Speaker 4 And I don't know if there was a moment that kind of woke people up to that if you're in the league, or if it was just a gradual realization?

Speaker 12 I think that was David Stern's goal to create individual stars within a team game.

Speaker 12 He always wanted to promote stars because he knew that's what would grow the league, but it was also, you know, we kept the team mentality around it.

Speaker 12 So they would promote the individual guys, but it was still a team. And, you know, obviously with, you know, 12, 13 guys and no helmets on, you're still in the mix, even if you don't play.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean? So there's still opportunities. But now more than ever, I mean, these kids are, you know, businesses before they even step into the NBA NBA now.

Speaker 12 So, you know, it promotes a lot of, which is weird, it's a fine line to be able to promote individuality and individuals within the team space.

Speaker 12 And I don't think football is getting better at that because there's social media now, but it's still more of a us, you know, and we can actually be, you know, us as a team, we can actually be individuals, but still be with the team concept.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you think

Speaker 1 super teams are going to are kind of dying?

Speaker 1 Because it does feel like this, especially these playoffs with the suns going out, the Clippers going out, and you see a lot of teams like the success of the Nugget or the Wolves, the Mavs, and I know Kyrie got, you know, that was an addition, but like the Mavs and the Celtics both have been maneuvering, never doing the like, all right, we got one big star, let's bring two other big stars.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's kind of dwindling down? I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 With players like Anthony Edwards coming in the league, being one of those guys that approaching the game with that attitude, that old school attitude, and not really wanting to team up with guys, want to build their own.

Speaker 1 I think the super team is definitely dying. And I think the big man is coming back too.
The two, having two big men. Versatile big man.
Yeah, the versatile big man, I think that's coming back as well.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I definitely think it's more back on strategy and management and drafting right, trading right, and this next generation.

Speaker 12 This, you know, that super team was something that our generation wanted to do. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 And I really credit LeBron for kind of being the first guy to make the superstar to kind of make that jump. Like, I don't have to stay in this organization my entire life.
I don't want to.

Speaker 12 So he kind of, I think, opened up the floodgates for stars stars to start moving.

Speaker 12 But I think that was more kind of what our guy, you know, as you just mentioned, all those guys, like none of them made the playoffs, they made the playoffs, it was in and out.

Speaker 12 You know, those kind of teams, those really, I look at those as kind of like those weight builders that only lift their upper body and their legs are like this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Like you got a really heavy top three. Yeah.
You got a really heavy top three and you don't have any depth. So now it's more important about depth and drafting and trading, right?

Speaker 12 And I kind of see going somewhat back to the old NBA style as far as you have to build your team through the draft and trades.

Speaker 4 I think it's going to be like that initially, but I get the feeling that the super teams that we see right now that have been constructed in the last five years, they're all from like a certain generation.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's kind of older guys, guys that are maybe at the second half of their career.

Speaker 4 Right now, we've got so many young stars in the league.

Speaker 4 If we wait five, ten years, they might start to do that too.

Speaker 1 Without a ring, you get out of ring. Then you start thinking about it.

Speaker 4 But right now, I think as we're looking at the NBA, the talent is concentrated in the mid to late 20s for the younger guys.

Speaker 12 I would say, even earlier.

Speaker 12 I would say early 20s to mid-20s is like

Speaker 12 the 26 and under, that's Tatum, Anthony Edwards, Luca,

Speaker 12 all these, Luca even called Kyrie old the other day. I think Kyrie's what, 32-ish.
You know what I mean? So I think that that young wave is middle 20s and they're strong.

Speaker 12 So I really feel like we've seen this year kind of the passing of the torch.

Speaker 12 All the great players you name, none of these, Steph, LeBron, KD, none of these guys made waves in the playoffs this year. It was all younger-led teams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, still entertaining. Yeah, very entertaining.
Very entertaining.

Speaker 1 Do you guys think there's a problem in the NBA with coaches? Speaking of the super teams, like the Lakers obviously fire their coach, the Suns fire their coach, where

Speaker 1 these

Speaker 1 sometimes it feels like the players, basically, if there's

Speaker 1 a disappointing season, there's just no blame on themselves. Coaches.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's just the coach is the one, like, hey, you're out.

Speaker 12 Well, because before coaches used to have really, when we came in the league, coach had the authority. It was they were the highway.

Speaker 12 And now players make so much money, organizations can't expend players like that. It has to be the coach.

Speaker 12 Even though coaches are getting way better money than they used to, it's always going to be the coach's fault. There's not very much

Speaker 12 acceptance or responsibility when it comes to if you're a big player in a big team and your team fucks up, it's going to be on the coach nine and a half out of ten times now. I hate it.

Speaker 1 I think there should be way more blame on the coaches for the perfect example.

Speaker 12 On the coaches? Or on the players?

Speaker 1 Excuse me, on the players. Because perfect example, you can't just blame Darvin Ham for that situation and fire him and just bring another coach in with no experience just because braun

Speaker 1 didn't win a championship nah it's the players fault any other time any other time when jokic lose when any other team loses it's the stars fault the stars they didn't play well they didn't do this they talk about anthony edwards why did minnesota lost because he didn't play like he was playing against denver soon as the lakers lose they blame it on the coach i hate it the stars you have to be responsible because just when you win the stars get all the credit they don't give the coaches the credit they give it all to the stars.

Speaker 1 He played well. He carried the team.
When the team lose, you got to take the same responsibility. And I don't think the players do that no more.

Speaker 4 It might be a lot about the star players just not liking the coach. And you don't want a superstar athlete that's not in a good position mentally, that hates going to work every day.

Speaker 4 I don't think you're going to get the most production out of them, but that's kind of the that's where we're at right now.

Speaker 12 You saw when Anthony Davis said, I think during, was it during the playoffs or was it play-in or wherever they are or toward the end of the season?

Speaker 12 He's like, there was times out there we didn't even know we were doing or we didn't know we were running. I was like, oh, Darvin had done.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Like, when your players start, your stars start speaking up like that.

Speaker 1 And I feel like it happens so much faster, though, now. Like, I even saw it with the Bucs this year.
They fired their coach, what, three months into it?

Speaker 12 And he was, what, 33 and 13 or something? It's insane.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, is it because I'm not saying it's because Giannis didn't like him, but it does feel like the threshold for firing a coach is if your star players like, oh, I don't really like him.

Speaker 1 It's like, all right. Well, that's time is different.
You know, perfect example. You get Kobe getting coming to the press conference after they lose.
It's going to be a great summer.

Speaker 1 We got to work right now. You know what I'm saying? Work starts right now for next year.
Instead of guys coming to the press conference, well, you know, we had guys heard

Speaker 1 this, you know, my teammate wasn't there. I only can do so much.
Like, that's not the way. That's not the approach now.
Instead of having an approach like Kobe, we just got to get back to work.

Speaker 1 We'll be back next year. Yeah.
You know what I mean? And it's just a different approach to the game.

Speaker 4 My favorite is when they say, I don't want to make excuses. And then they make like

Speaker 1 part of the game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it is part of the game.

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Speaker 4 So, have you guys ever been on a team where you don't like the coach where where most of the players on the team don't like the coach but the team is still successful

Speaker 1 no

Speaker 12 no I've been on a team where I don't like the coach but the team wasn't good either and you know I think it kind of think it starts at the top yes even although the players are more powerful called buying in yeah you know I think the hardest thing now as a coach is coming into a locker room with guys that are making millions and millions of dollars and gaining that respect you know you have to have the respect of the locker room no matter what your past is what you're you know what you've done what you've accomplished like being able to go into a locker room and get everyone's respect is the key.

Speaker 12 And communicating, I just feel like

Speaker 12 we have a shift in coaches right now. You're seeing a lot more former players coming in the NFL.
I like that.

Speaker 12 NBA, because to me, it's, I mean, although X and O's are always going to be important, now it's being able to communicate because this next generation that's coming came up different than we did.

Speaker 12 A lot more coddled and given a lot of things. So if you ruffle their feathers, you know, you're out of here.

Speaker 12 So it's not so much like kissing ass, but it's just being able to have someone that can still communicate with that younger generation, but still get the job done. Talk your language.

Speaker 4 Jason Kidd and Kyrie. Yes.
Kyrie seems to be a different dude this year.

Speaker 4 At peace. I think he's very much at peace.
And I heard him talk about, obviously, this is going to air during the finals, so we don't know what's happened so far.

Speaker 4 But I heard him talk about just how he's approaching the series against Boston and how mature he sounded when he said it.

Speaker 1 I was like, is this the same Kyrie from the Nets?

Speaker 4 He seems to have made a complete change. And I think a lot of people are giving credit to Jason Kidd.
Obviously, Kyrie's matured on his own a little bit, it seems like.

Speaker 4 But yeah, having a guy that has been there, done that, that can speak your language, I feel like just having that connection goes a long way.

Speaker 4 So there's a lot of stuff that goes into a successful franchise, a good team.

Speaker 4 What are the differences that you guys have seen between a functional NBA organization, like from the top down, and a dysfunctional one?

Speaker 1 Well, for me, as soon as you walk in, you can tell what organization is used to winning and what organization doesn't know how to win. That's easy to tell.

Speaker 1 You know, going into, when I went to Charlotte, I can tell that they were still trying to figure out how to win. When I sat down to San Antonio, it was a structure.
Everybody's professional.

Speaker 1 Everything's on time. They're used to winning.
They have the motto to win. You know, they understand about winning.
And it's just, it's easy to see when you walk in the organization.

Speaker 1 You can tell a team that's been winning, that's won championships by the coach, how the coach is and how they run everything from the top to bottom.

Speaker 1 And you can go into a place like Charlotte, you can tell like they're looking for somebody to come in and bring this winning feelback. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 So it's easy to see when you walk in the organization. Yeah, I think too.

Speaker 12 I think it starts at the top, absolutely, with ownership. And it trickles down to management, to coaches.

Speaker 1 You know, some teams, I don't even cut y'all, but some teams you don't even know who the owner is. Don't see him.
So you think the coach is basically running the team. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you don't even. I've been in several teams where I don't even know who the owner is.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we went, you know, we played on that Warrior team, that We Believe team in, you know, 06, 07, and we played with the Warriors then, and that was an organization that was still trying to figure it out.

Speaker 12 Owners didn't really know what they're doing. Fast forward, I went back 10 years later with the 17 team that already won a championship, and you just see them.

Speaker 12 When I tell you, we walked in and you felt the energy energy on the days off guys wanted to be in there when we traveled for the playoffs They got private jets for our whole family They take care of hotels food like you don't have to worry about tickets food travel for your family like all they want you to do is focus on basketball and you know I was blessed to play for the Lakers and the Clippers I played for the Clippers two times the first time we were practicing at a fucking junior college where you had to leave the back doors open so they didn't break into your car next time around we have our own practice facility and the plane and everything is set up.

Speaker 12 So, I mean, it really starts, I feel like it starts at the top with ownership and how much they really want to pour into this team.

Speaker 1 team yeah i always am shocked when an owner like when a rich guy buys a team and then just starts cheaping out on it it's like what you have billions what's the point you bought the team right why wouldn't you want the team to be good it's not just owning i would be so mad if i owned a team and they just sucked all of it right yeah like i i feel like the purpose

Speaker 12 speaking of that clipped is on uh

Speaker 12 right now in hulu i was i was a consultant on that project that was our 2015 team with donald sterling when his mistress recorded them and leaked the tapes and y'all don't know know I was on that team at the beginning of that year.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah, he was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 1 Chris Paul broke his hand. He got clipped.
Yeah, I got clipped. He broke his hand and had to get rid of somebody to bring another point guard in.
And I was on the 10-day.

Speaker 4 How fucked up was that situation? That was my last.

Speaker 1 Like, I can imagine.

Speaker 4 You probably hated going to work for that guy, right?

Speaker 12 To be honest with you, what's funny about that situation when people ask, like, it was never about him because he was never really.

Speaker 12 He came to games, but we never thought, like, yo, we're playing for Donald Sterling. And it was more like we had a good group of guys and we were playing for each other.

Speaker 12 So he never really came into into the picture until the bullshit was leaked. You know, he was always there.
And, you know, for me, out of respect, I never had no awkward encounters.

Speaker 12 He never said nothing crazy to me because there ain't no telling what would have happened. But I was just always high and by.
His wife was very respectful.

Speaker 12 Obviously, we saw the mistress there and she thought she ran the stable center, which was crazy. And my ex-wife almost had to put hands on her.

Speaker 12 But it was a circus, but we didn't allow his circus to trickle down into our locker room. So it was really never about him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you text Blake when he retired?

Speaker 12 I did. All right, good.
That's Big Cat.

Speaker 12 My big cat yeah you're big cat yeah you told us that last time yeah no blake great dude man and definitely a hall of fame career and uh really really happy for him that you know he was able to play out as long as he won i wish he would have won a championship but it's crazy because like they're hanging on like jamal crawford's gone jj's gone about to get the laker job blake just retired who knows with cp might be time for cp to retire so like kind of the last deandre's over in denver deadre's just gonna keep be like i'm on a great bench in the playoffs and just be like wait is that deandre jordan yeah that's what i did this year

Speaker 12 yeah he is just such a great bet vet. I mean, such a good guy, great energy, team guy.
So, you know, and he found a good spot that still credits that.

Speaker 12 You know, we've always spoke that we feel like the NBA definitely still needs veterans. Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, teams are so young now with, no, it's a blind leading the blind, but when you're able to find a good veteran, you talk to any guys that are done or guys on their way out, like, man, the game has changed.

Speaker 12 We came in the game. There was guys that were 30, you know, 38, 39, 40.

Speaker 12 Some contributed on the court, but they all contributed off the court in a certain way to help you guide and dodge the potholes, get your suits together, all this kind of shit.

Speaker 12 Now it's, you know, I remember at one point, Steph was the oldest player on the Warriors and he was 32. Right.

Speaker 12 It was just like, you know, this, although they were a great organization, this is just really young. It's a young game now.

Speaker 1 Who were those guys for you when you guys first came in the league?

Speaker 1 For me, my first year,

Speaker 1 I got lucky with being with Stephon Marberry. He embraced me, and then I went to the Spurs and got Steve Smith.

Speaker 1 So those two guys mentored me, showed me how to be a professional, showed me what the league was going to be like.

Speaker 1 And I think that was the best thing for me because I was like a chicken with his head cut off off, just trying to figure it out.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I would say my guy was Chris Weber. Yeah, yeah, he was someone that, you know, I'm from Sacramento, and he was with the Kings at the time when they were the big Laker Kings rivalry.

Speaker 12 I was going to school at UCLA, but every summer I would work out with him and he'd put his arm around me.

Speaker 12 And then I ended up going to the Kings, and he and I get traded to Philly together and in my first time with Alan Iverson. And, you know, obviously, super dope.

Speaker 12 And just kind of being able to see that, what that lifestyle is like and be like. But I really say kind of Chris Weber on and off the court as far as business and basketball.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to say Steve Kurtz, he spoke life into me in San Antonio, like for confidence-wise. Really? Yeah, yeah.
I was young and pop used to take me out the games earlier.

Speaker 1 Like whenever I make a mistake, he'd take me out real early and I'm trying to figure out why. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 When everybody else is making mistakes, and I used to come out the game cursing everybody out, just frustrated, you know, trying to figure out why.

Speaker 1 And he used to always come down, like, you're going to get back in the game. Stay focused.
You're going to make big shots. Nobody else is making big shots.

Speaker 1 And he kept telling it to me all year to the playoffs and the Western Congress finals. I hit all the big shots.
You know, I kept hitting those big shots.

Speaker 1 But he was somebody that kept speaking life into me. Yeah.
You know, when Pop was taking my confidence.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Speaking about San Antonio, I don't know what maybe it's because of the guy he is and he's not the flashiest, but it does feel like as we go farther away from Tim Duncan retiring, people just forget how awesome he was.

Speaker 1 I argue people down with it. It's crazy.
He was so good. And he was like, and he just doesn't get the respect.
Because he wasn't flashy. Yeah.
He didn't talk his game. He just showed up.

Speaker 1 And when you look at the stats, when you talk about greats, if he's not in the conversation, then you don't know basketball.

Speaker 1 yeah it's he really was like every and he did everything well and it was it also is he doesn't get credit for being like one of the most like ready-to-go pieces that's ever been put on a team exactly they won a championship his second year all around yeah it was just like oh he's he's second year oh he's just he's this guy already seemed like he was winning the championship every two years yeah six like he's what what's his record in the finals like five and five out of seven yes five and six something like that they lost the heat obviously and then what was the other one they lost uh

Speaker 1 It might be five and one. It might be five and one.
Five and one. I think so.
They won five out of six, I think. I think so.
Yeah, I think they won five out of six. Yeah.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 And he just doesn't,

Speaker 1 it is because of like his flashiness and his game. Like, he didn't, you know, he wasn't hitting big threes or big dunks.

Speaker 1 You get the stat sheet? Yeah. Every single night.
20, 29, 8.

Speaker 1 All around. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hank just sent over some pictures of the cast of Clipped. How do you think they did with you, Matt? Cool.

Speaker 12 I mean, they did a it's my homeboy Sharoonis. Yeah.
So he's kind of similar to me. Everyone's always kind of said we look alike.
So they casted really well with that.

Speaker 1 What did he say?

Speaker 12 He's doing me a favor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's doing you a paper by playing you.

Speaker 12 Now they cast it well. I mean, they got Ed O'Neal, Al Bundy for Donald Sterling.
They got Lawrence Fishburne to play Doc.

Speaker 12 The lady that plays V, his mistress is really dope, looks just like her. And then the lady that paid Shirley, or

Speaker 12 that's her name? Sterling?

Speaker 12 Shelly looks just like her talks just like her so I thought they casted some of the players casting like Blake's casting was kind of funny to me and and CP's casting because it's the dude from

Speaker 12 what show is he on what's the the the racy show on on stars uh the strip club shows gotten cliff paul strip club show on stars yeah did you sit down with the dude that was playing you like yeah yeah i already knew so i consulted on the project so the the the the project came about from ramona shelburne uh shout out ramona at espn she did a 30 for 30 for espn on just the Sterling, the Sterling affairs and kind of the growth of the Clippers and everything.

Speaker 12 And it won some awards and it got so popular that FX took took her podcast and turned it into an actual script.

Speaker 1 When you guys saw the transcript from his like court filings, did you all do like a reading?

Speaker 12 I didn't do a deep dive into it. You know, like I said, I just kind of knew and heard.
And, you know, I've had a lot of like I almost had my high school burned down by the KKK.

Speaker 12 So this old rich white man talking about black people the way he did, I was just like, that's probably the norm. He's just the only one dumb enough to get caught.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 I'm sure it goes on more. So to me, it wasn't a huge deal, but for some guys on my team, it was a big deal.
Some guys were really hurt. Some guys cried.
Some guys didn't want to play.

Speaker 12 Some guys were like really fucked up by it. But, you know, to me, it was okay.
It's unfortunate, but what's next?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you ever read the part where he was talking about the woman in the backseat of the car?

Speaker 1 Uh-uh. Oh, you haven't seen it.
What happened? Okay, I'm going to pull it off. Maybe the best transcript from

Speaker 1 filing ever.

Speaker 4 I'm going to have to read this for you out loud here.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 So this is Donald Sterling.

Speaker 1 Well, I fool around sometimes.

Speaker 4 I do. When a girl seduces me and tells me all these hot stories and dirty things and tells me how much she wants to suck on me and take my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me.

Speaker 4 When I'm in a limousine, she takes all of her clothes. The limo driver said, what's going on? And she started

Speaker 4 sucking me on the way to Mr. Koon's house.
And I thank her. I thank her for making me feel good.
Then the lawyer. Sort of the question was, is this your handwriting?

Speaker 12 He kind of talks like a Neanderthal. Like, it's just so.
Thank you for making me feel like

Speaker 4 you suck me. Thank you.
Yeah, he's good feel.

Speaker 12 He was special, man. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So, you mentioned JJ getting the Lakers' job, which isn't official, but it feels like it's moving that way. Do you think he's going to have? I'm okay with it.

Speaker 12 I think JJ's a great basketball mind. I think he's very creative, but again, I think he can bridge that gap of communication with younger and older players.

Speaker 12 And JJ can be an asshole when he needs to be. So I don't think

Speaker 1 he's a douchebag. He's from Duke.

Speaker 12 You know what's funny is I used to think JJ would be a cocksucker and I wouldn't fuck with JJ. He's one of my closest friends post-career.
We played together twice.

Speaker 12 I was just like, this guy's the old Duke stingman. I wouldn't fuck with JJ.
Was so cool. So JJ is really cool.

Speaker 12 And like I said, I think he's someone that's not going to be afraid to stand up and bark at LeBron if needed. Because like I said, the most important thing is going in there and gaining that respect.

Speaker 12 Now, whether people think LeBron ushered him in or whatever, I'm okay from a standpoint of a beatboxer over here.

Speaker 12 I just feel like the NBA always recycles the same coaches that ain't winning shit anyway. So I like new fresh blood.
I mean, should your first job be with the Lakers? Who knows? That's not up to me.

Speaker 12 But I think, you know, I think JJ, if he is able to get that opportunity, I'm definitely looking forward to see what he can do.

Speaker 1 Wait, so do you disagree?

Speaker 1 I love JJ. Solid dude.
One of the coolest dudes I ever met. But it's a lot of privilege going on.
What kind of privilege? A lot of privilege. White or LeBron privilege.

Speaker 1 Definitely white and LeBron privilege.

Speaker 1 It don't get no better than that. Those are two privileges.
You got his most strongest privileges,

Speaker 1 bro.

Speaker 1 Only privileges above those are like the police union and teachers' union. There's not much

Speaker 1 after that.

Speaker 1 CIA? Cool. Feds, you good.
That's the only thing higher than that. But I mean, that's a lot of privilege going on there.
You got a lot of guys

Speaker 1 that's been going through these

Speaker 1 on these NBA teams, doing these little coaching programs for the last five, six years, sitting behind the bench, doing coaches, doing everything they supposed to do to get an opportunity.

Speaker 1 And they're not getting these opportunities. They don't have a podcast with LeBron.
But that happened first, so you knew it was coming. You knew it was coming.
I mean, it was the setup.

Speaker 1 And how are they cool?

Speaker 1 When have you ever seen them cool?

Speaker 1 This was all a play. We're not dumb.
We have a lot of, I'm first team all common sense. But

Speaker 1 it's a lot of privilege in that because I know a lot of players that's been coaching in the NBA that had an opportunity. It didn't go good because

Speaker 1 their first opportunity was a trash team. And it looked like they couldn't coach.
Now they're just assistant coach for the rest of their career.

Speaker 1 They don't get this opportunity the first place to go where they coaching LeBron James and Anthony Davis. So it's a lot of privilege there, but it's nothing against JJ.
I love JJ.

Speaker 1 He was one of my favorite teammates when I was with the Clippers. I spent some good times with him, but it's a lot of privilege there.
Yeah, JJ's a great dude. He's been on the show a bunch.

Speaker 1 He actually used to be my neighbor, and

Speaker 1 we like to just call him a douchebag to his face. I feel like he's kind of, it's almost like the mafia going like, you know, real, like, oh, they have a real business now.

Speaker 1 Like, people forget he went to Duke and he was a dickhead. Like, we got to remind him.
He does it on purpose, though.

Speaker 1 Everything is calculated with JJ with JJ.

Speaker 1 I think he's playing. Like, I actually think he's playing a wrestling character.
I gave him credit for it. I was like, I think you're a genius how you're doing this because people get so angry.

Speaker 1 He's speaking for the players, too. That's why I love it.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think he'll do well, but the one thing I'm worried about for JJ is, like, LeBron's, he's not young.

Speaker 1 So what's the plan when LeBron is done or when he wants to finish somewhere else? I don't know. Like, you're signing up for something that are you going to be there when he's gone? I guess L.A.

Speaker 1 always, the Lakers always pay for it.

Speaker 12 That's always a hot seat, but to me, it's hard. How do you pass up? Because, you know, again, I'm cool with him.

Speaker 12 You know, he told me he had opportunities last season to coach, and he knows just, I'm fresh out. I kind of want to figure it out, spend time with my family, my kids.

Speaker 1 You tried to bring him as an assistant in Boston, Missouri Steady.

Speaker 12 No, he tried to. He told me he had some head opportunities.
Okay. So, but I mean, how do you turn down, if that is the case? You can't turn down the Laker job.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of stuff that goes into coaching that's not just the X's and O's basketball IQ stuff, behind-the-scenes stuff.

Speaker 4 Like you were talking about a functional organization, everything running on time, the schedules, and all that stuff. So, that's going to be a big blind spot for him.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's a smart guy, so I'm sure he's going to talk to people and try to figure it out. But to me, it seems like there's a lot that goes into coaching that's not just what you see on the course.

Speaker 1 No free time, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 No free time, but also, I think it's important for him if he does get the job, which I hope he does, to hire a good staff around him, you know, mixing, you know, maybe a couple old G's and vets, but then also to guys fresh out to kind of, because guys fresh out, still understand what this next wave of kids are about.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
What's

Speaker 1 from your guys' perspective, what's the one thing that like NBA fans get wrong about how the league works or how the game works? Like the thing that you just see all the time.

Speaker 1 You're like, that's just not, that's just not.

Speaker 12 I just think how hard it is. You know what I mean? If you think about it, there's been less than 5,000 guys to ever play in this league.
So the last guy on the bench is amazing anywhere else, but...

Speaker 12 maybe just that situation. You know what I mean? Maybe it's the right time, right situation.

Speaker 12 But I just think the talent level, I don't think fans appreciate and respect the grind and the hard work, not just basketball, but professional sports in general.

Speaker 12 You know, now that we have a 24-7, 365 new cycle, or there's no, no, everything is front street, I just don't think fans appreciate the grind.

Speaker 12 And you know, you got a better chance of being struck by lightning than being in the NBA. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 So I just think how hard it is to make it and how good every player in that league, no matter if he has a bad season or is on a bad team or doesn't play, how good every player in that league is.

Speaker 12 Yeah, so what's harder?

Speaker 4 Playing the NBA or podcasting?

Speaker 1 NBA.

Speaker 1 Are you sure?

Speaker 1 I was just saying, no, it's podcasting. Well, you guys only

Speaker 1 can't bank NBA games. No, you guys bank podcasts.

Speaker 12 You could be high in NBA games just like you can be in high up in podcasts. No, but

Speaker 12 I just, the thing about the NBA is someone's always come to take your spot. Yeah.
Podcasting space is growing, but we don't really look at anybody in our basketball spaces competition.

Speaker 12 I think we all have our own unique journeys and stories, and we bring something different to the game. And I feel as a whole, we're changing sports media.

Speaker 12 You guys are changing sports media because now it's, you know, guys that people really want to talk to. And as players, we kind of used to look at, you know, some reporters as like cops.

Speaker 12 It's like, you know, criminals talking to cops.

Speaker 12 Not that we're criminals, but like there's just that weird line of, because they're just, they used to be dirty and twist shit and there was no other way for us to kind of get our story out but through them.

Speaker 12 So you kind of got the bare minimum with a lot of people. But now there's so many athletes and people that people like to talk to.

Speaker 12 You're getting different stories and point of views that, you know, a typical ESPN or a Fox wouldn't get. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And for a while, there was a big disconnect between how how sports was presented on TV and how they talked about it on TV and how regular people talked about sports.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 4 when we're talking about the NBA or the NFL, me and Big Cat don't put on suits and sit down and start like yelling at each other and gesturing at each other with a pen, you know?

Speaker 1 Nobody wants to see that anyway.

Speaker 4 Exactly. You want to see people having like real honest conversation.
Have you guys ever gotten in trouble or have had a guest that got in trouble for something that they said on your show?

Speaker 1 Oh, we had a couple guests that said stuff that we didn't even ask them and they ended up coming back.

Speaker 1 Can you take that out? Yeah, can you take that out? Bro, we didn't even ask you that, but we'll take it out. You said that on your own.
Yeah. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Yeah. I mean, our goal is never.
We're fine with that, though.

Speaker 12 Yeah, our goal has never been, you know, there's people now that are kind of turning their shit into like gossip shows and looking for hot take.

Speaker 12 Like our goal has always been to humanize our guests because we think all of our guests are super dope and just have authentic, real, deep conversation.

Speaker 12 And, you know, we get a ton of times where people say, you know, we've never said this before to anybody. And, you know, like, okay, they trust us enough.

Speaker 12 So we just kind of want it to be a safe space. And if we go viral, it's for a dope story or an in-depth conversation instead of some clickbait.

Speaker 1 It's smart. That's, I mean, we take a similar approach where it's like every guest we've ever had on, we want them to come back.
Right.

Speaker 1 So, it's like if you, if you, if you come with that approach, you're never going to burn. You're appreciating your guests.
You're appreciating your guests.

Speaker 1 Like, I want you guys next time you're in Chicago to come back on. If we try to burn you, it's like, fuck these guys.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Who is the one or two players that you played against that you just hated?

Speaker 1 Hated?

Speaker 1 Or maybe hated just like defending them or hated them just like actually hated them.

Speaker 12 I didn't hate nobody, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people I thought wasn't good that, you know, that didn't deserve all the stuff they was getting in my mind. Like, who? Oh, boy, here you go.

Speaker 1 This might burn you.

Speaker 1 Well, he's a Hall of Famer. Oh, boy.
Okay. You know, he's a Hall of Famer.
And, you know.

Speaker 12 As soon as he says his name, we're never getting him as a guest. Yeah, well, I don't, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, it's not personal. I just feel like I had a lot of great games against him.
I didn't have a better career than him, but when I played against him, I had some great games. Okay.

Speaker 1 Ray Allen. Oh, okay.
I just feel like that. I'm not saying Ray wasn't great, but

Speaker 1 he was great.

Speaker 12 One of the greatest shoes.

Speaker 1 One of the greatest shooters, but I'm a basketball player. I wasn't one-dimensional.
I just didn't shoot. I just didn't play defense.
I did everything.

Speaker 1 So I look at myself as different than a lot of these guys that were one-dimensional. You know what I'm saying? I just felt like I was was a better player and got a lot of people.

Speaker 12 I don't think Ray was one-dimensional, though.

Speaker 1 Well, most of his career, he was a shooter. Beginning of an athlete.
He was dunking in Milwaukee. He was taking off on people and all that.
But he got a little older whole career.

Speaker 1 He got a little older. Yeah, but only LeBron could do it his whole career.
Yeah, that's a fair, though. You're not saying that he was bad.
It's just that

Speaker 1 you thought you were better than him.

Speaker 1 He had a better career than me. I admit that.
But when it came to lining up on the court against a lot of guys that's Hall of Famers, I bust their ass a lot of nights. And it's just the truth.

Speaker 1 And I, you know, I got to pat myself on the back sometimes. Yeah.
Because the NBA wouldn't do it because there's the trouble I was in, right?

Speaker 1 I should have been an all-star multiple years, but I am someone who helped two teams, my first year there, get to the playoffs after double-digit year droughts that has to say something.

Speaker 1 What were those teams? Charlotte and Golden State. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So Golden State was 13 years, and I think Charlotte was like,

Speaker 1 had never been.

Speaker 1 So to be able to do that in the NBA,

Speaker 1 you have to be a great player. You're just not going to teams and get them to the playoffs.
Okay, so reverse, who would always bust your ass? All the, but I'm ass bust by all of them.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. I will admit that they bust my ass, but they need to admit it, too.
Yeah. Just because y'all Hall of Famers don't mean y'all to get your ass busted.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? I took my ass with us from all of them because I competed.
I tried to stop them. And guys like Rayal and Kobe, you can't stop them.

Speaker 1 You got to try to make them have difficult nights or make it difficult for them. And I made some of those nights difficult, but for the most part, those guys are great for a reason.

Speaker 1 But I deserve my respect, too.

Speaker 4 Yeah, was it equal opportunity trash talk? Like you would talk shit to anybody that you were defending?

Speaker 1 Oh, everybody got it. Yeah, everybody got it.
Refs, fans. Yeah, everybody got it.
It don't work on some guys like Kobe and Ray Island, these guys. It don't work, but it's good to try.

Speaker 1 Did you ever have a guy that you like, you just said something, you're like, I have him forever. Like, it's done.
I'm mentally in his. He's sweet.
Oh, who you think is sweet? Oh, who's sweet? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I had a lot of guys that were sweet.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, we willing to take that extra step. I'm willing to fight if I have to to win the game, you know what I'm saying? To get my respect.
I'm willing to go there every game.

Speaker 1 And it's a lot of guys that ain't willing to do that. Bro, it's just basketball.
Bro, it's just basketball.

Speaker 1 That's when you know you got them, right? That's when you know you're basketball. This is basketball.
It's just basketball, bro. Yeah.
Not to me.

Speaker 1 This is how I eat. Yeah, this is how we eat.
And

Speaker 1 I know it's the guy that's coming in right now. That's coming in this job that's coming to try to take my spot.
So I got to try to stay here as long as I can. Yeah.

Speaker 4 How do you guys feel about rookies coming to the league league that have big expectations?

Speaker 4 We can touch a little bit about how this relates to Caitlin Clark, but I know that you guys have been in the league when players have come in where this rookie is so highly touted to the future, the future face of the league, future star.

Speaker 4 As vets, how do you guys respond to something like that?

Speaker 1 Challenge them. I was going to go to the state when

Speaker 1 we drafted Steph. I had no idea he was going to be who he was, but for me, I was at the end of my career, so I wanted to go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to be a part of a rebuilding process, process, right?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I knew that they drafted Steph, you know, to be the face of the team. I didn't know he was going to be who he is now.

Speaker 1 If I would have known it, I probably would have stayed and got a couple championships off, you know what I mean? But you never know. You never know how things are going to pay out.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? Because you've seen guys that get drafted that don't have good careers, you know, that go number one, that don't last long.

Speaker 1 When you see guys that get drafted, that's supposed to be top 10 draft pick get drafted 15, 20, and they end up having a hell of a career. So it's hard to really tell.

Speaker 1 It depends on that guy and how he's built, you know, coming in with all that stuff on his back.

Speaker 12 But I also think, too, I mean,

Speaker 12 anybody with some name or exposure coming into the league,

Speaker 12 you're going to get checked. You're going to get tested.
You're going to get hard fouls. You're going to get, you know, hit.
You're going to get a lot of different things. You're going to get beat up.

Speaker 12 And, you know, what I think is so interesting now is it's such a shock to new fans with the women's game. You know, the women's game has always been very chippy.
And those girls talk a lot of shit.

Speaker 12 There's been fights. There's, you know, but there just hasn't been as much tension on it.
So

Speaker 12 when the new casual fan or new fan see women doing the same thing as men, it's like, oh, my God. They're talking shit on the court.
Oh, they're hard.

Speaker 12 This is a competitive game. So my whole thing with Caitlin Carr, because I'm not mad at the be never don't want to see no one get hurt from a cheap shot.

Speaker 12 But as far as her getting beat up, elbowed, hard screened, knocked down, that's kind of the hard knocks of being a rookie.

Speaker 12 My whole thing, which I said, you know, a couple weeks ago or last week, was where the fuck are her teammates at?

Speaker 12 You guys got to have her back, whether it's you don't think she's a good good person or you're whatever the situation she's getting, given too much without proving anything.

Speaker 12 No matter what those person, you got to get all that bullshit out of your heart because that's why I said, you know, this is the reason why you guys are at the bottom of the WNBA is because you guys aren't one.

Speaker 12 You need to be one. Whether there's one star or two stars or there's a leader, you guys still got to be a team.
And what bothered me was, it wasn't that she was getting knocked down and hard fouled.

Speaker 12 And, you know, I'm not complaining about none of that.

Speaker 12 I'm complaining to the people who aren't helping her up or who aren't, okay, you knock my star down, you knock our rookie down, and we're going to knock yours down.

Speaker 12 Like, you know, know, there was just none of that. And, you know, to me, I think that's weak.

Speaker 1 If you guys were doing your podcast while you were still in the league, would you make reporters subscribe before asking me? It wouldn't have. It wouldn't have

Speaker 1 been suspended from games and getting fined and all kinds of shit.

Speaker 1 You couldn't speak your mind.

Speaker 1 I couldn't have had no podcast. No? No.
Do you? I mean, I went straight to the bitch-ass referee. He sucked last night.
I've been calling names out all time. Yeah, I couldn't have done it.

Speaker 1 I couldn't have done it. No way.
Would you have done it, Matt? No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 12 The only person that made me turn my my crazy down was him because we couldn't have two real crazy motherfuckers me and jack didn't play on the team i was you know i was the one so it was you know it was but i i credit it's a new age you know what draymond has been able to do and you know to kind of set the tone with guys that are currently in it and you know when he was doing all his shit or in the finals and he wouldn't talk to people he would go drop it fresh on it i mean i think that's amazing yeah it's genius changes the game so i mean as far as pat bev telling someone he can't talk to him because she didn't just subscribe subscribe is out of this world.

Speaker 1 But, I mean, that's Pat Bev.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, we love him.
He obviously works with us. So, I mean,

Speaker 1 we're like, yeah, you should subscribe. Sometimes you should subscribe.
I think Draymond. It's so easy.

Speaker 4 I think Draymond does shit in games sometimes so that he's got good content to talk about on his podcast. Bump the ratings a little bit.
Yeah, like this.

Speaker 12 I'm going to talk shit about this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Real quick.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm going to choke Rudy Gay out and then that, or Rudy Gobert out, and then afterwards, I'm going to have like a number one podcast across all the charts.

Speaker 4 He's going to say exactly why I did that.

Speaker 1 It was funny when he started talking about Pat Bev and what happened at their last game. It was like, dude, this is you.

Speaker 12 That was like the Spider-Man right there.

Speaker 1 Someone said it was like Osama bin Laden breaking down ISIS game film.

Speaker 1 No, but I mean, I do think it's great.

Speaker 12 I mean, just think how far media has come.

Speaker 12 I mean, it used to be in the papers, and then, you know, now it would be the radio, and then it was on TV, and now you're really getting it from the actual recipient

Speaker 12 or the person that did it. You know what I mean? So I think it's dope.

Speaker 12 got to be feel it's got to feel freeing for players and they know that they can control their own narrative but also has to be that that fine line you know i mean because people know now like oh you're spending so much you need to get in the gym you need because you always got that before we were even doing podcasts and doing shit talking to the fans so i couldn't imagine it now like you know having some bad games and still having to get this mic on and yeah

Speaker 1 on the show and i would imagine it does change a locker room a little bit if there's a guy who's got a podcast in it and you're i'm just saying no i don't know but probably yeah it probably i mean it would bother me if you going to your podcast every night and doing all that, but you're not performing on the court.

Speaker 1 That would cause problems.

Speaker 12 But I also would think it would be dope from a standpoint of just imagine all the inside cool shit that we could tell people that happened on the plane, the locker rooms, the pranks, all that kind of fun shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, I actually had a question about that.

Speaker 1 Who is the best card player you ever played with?

Speaker 12 Card player?

Speaker 12 I think the biggest cheating card player is Chris Paul. Somehow, that motherfucker was always winning.

Speaker 1 Anthony Johnson or Jermaine O'Neill.

Speaker 12 We We used to have some heavy card games with that Clipper team. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I remember when I got, so we had some at the end of the season where I got traded and I owe probably like 60, 70 racks to these motherfuckers. So when I came back, I had cashier's checks for it.

Speaker 1 When I was pissed. How was Blake at cards?

Speaker 12 Good, but cheated too, I think. Okay.

Speaker 12 I just think we would, you know, we'd be so, you know, we'd have a few and just start going in the music and next thing, you know, cards are being dealt from under the pile and shit's getting moved in.

Speaker 12 It's like the motherfucker stuff. I had my fair share of winning, but I definitely got hit over the head a couple couple times.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I like the idea of you going to like Bank of America and be like, okay, I need a cash in the check for a Chris Paul. $25,000, Chris Paul, late Griffin.

Speaker 12 $2,000.

Speaker 12 And these people are like,

Speaker 12 what?

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, this is serious.

Speaker 4 I actually need this.

Speaker 4 Can we do some top five talk real quick? Let's do it. All right.
Just give me your top five. Who's your top five right now?

Speaker 1 Top five players playing right now? Playing right now. Current.
Oh. Jokic,

Speaker 1 no order. Yep.
Jokic, Luca, Shai, Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 Edwards is already up there. Yeah, my top five right now playing.
Yeah. Luca, Jokic, Anthony Edwards, Shai, and I probably would throw

Speaker 1 Embiid.

Speaker 4 Okay. So no Tatum.

Speaker 1 Nah. No Tatum.
7, 6, 7.

Speaker 1 Win the championship, he'll go up. Yep.
Yeah, but they've been floating around, you know. Yeah, 6'7.

Speaker 1 Okay. Has anyone ever took a bathroom break during the show? We'll wrap up soon.

Speaker 1 If you need to, you can. Yeah, I want to spray the place up right quick.
Okay, yeah, yeah, you can.

Speaker 12 Okay, and while Matt gives you his five, I'm doing my top five. Yeah, yeah.
Show him what you're doing. Jack used to pee on himself so

Speaker 12 let him.

Speaker 1 Just so you know, Jack, you forgot Giannis. Yeah.
What's that? Yeah, Giannis sticks to them right now. He was hurt.
Okay, all right. He was hurt.
Wait, he was hurt. And beat is always healthy.

Speaker 1 He used to pee on himself? Yeah. Like during games?

Speaker 12 No, just, you know, his early days and

Speaker 12 early teen days. He'll tell you when he gets back.
I don't have to.

Speaker 1 It's not like I'm disbulging any new news.

Speaker 12 He just had a problem.

Speaker 1 He just pee on himself.

Speaker 12 Top five. Top five.

Speaker 12 Yeah, again, no order. And I'm not counting none of the older guys.

Speaker 12 I got

Speaker 12 Jokic, Luca,

Speaker 12 Yannis,

Speaker 12 Tatum.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 who's that? Fifth?

Speaker 12 My fifth is probably...

Speaker 1 It's like SGA, MB. MB,

Speaker 12 SGA.

Speaker 12 I like Edwards. I just don't, I think he had it.
This is his coming out party this year. I think obviously he's going to jump in there very soon.
I'd say my fifth would probably be

Speaker 12 Embiid. I mean, he's already got an MVP.
I mean, obviously, injuries have played a big role in his career, but yeah, those are probably my top five.

Speaker 1 So you do have Tatum in your top.

Speaker 12 I do have Tatum in my top. I think he's very talented.
I just think, you know, as Jack said, I think, you know, I think they kind of raise the bar every time he gets good.

Speaker 12 Like, he's been doing really good for a long time.

Speaker 12 If you think about it, you know, coming in the Eastern Conference Finals, Ricky Ears, been to the Eastern Conference Finals, what, four or five times in the six years, been to the finals.

Speaker 12 I just think this year, you know,

Speaker 12 I want him to, I want Boston to win for this reason because I think he is overlooked at times and he is such a great talent, but I think he needs to win to get the respect from everyone else.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Wait, so

Speaker 12 Jack, someone's there,

Speaker 12 if you really used to pee in the bed or if I was talking shit. I did.
What happened there? Until he was 19.

Speaker 1 19? Don't take nothing. You were in the league?

Speaker 4 You were on?

Speaker 1 He was older than that? 25? K-O-E.

Speaker 1 King of exaggeration. Okay.
Yeah. Just remember.

Speaker 4 You had to pee on yourself. Nah, I went out.

Speaker 1 When I was probably like

Speaker 1 until I was like 11 years old, I used to just pee in the bed and just didn't, I used to go to sleep because I used to do a lot of drugs, too.

Speaker 1 I used to go home and go to sleep and just fall asleep and wake up, piss everywhere, didn't even get up. Remember how? And I'd feel it.
I'd be like, shit, I got to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 12 Remember how Adam Sander in the water boy? How you had to hang your shit in the sheets on the clothesline? Piss Piss in the bed.

Speaker 1 I have no shame in my game. I'm a G right now.
I'm very successful. I used to piss in the bed growing up.
Look, yeah, you're a model citizen to how people can make it. Just piss in the bed.
Hey,

Speaker 1 I too used to piss in the bed.

Speaker 1 You can make the NBA. Just piss in the bed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should do like a PSA for kids.

Speaker 1 Don't matter if you piss in the bed at a young age, you too can piss the stuff.

Speaker 1 Well, this has been awesome, guys. I have one last question.

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Speaker 1 So the podcast has been going great. What's a dream guest? What's a dream guest right now? Michael Jordan for me.
Okay.

Speaker 1 He doesn't do interviews like that, though. And I've been blowing his phone up, too.
So hopefully. Does he respond? He's responded once.
He just did. And the next 10, I haven't got a response.

Speaker 1 And you keep going? I'm going. Oh, no.
He's definitely changed his phone number.

Speaker 1 Might have, but but hey, whoever it is after it, I'm pretty sure they know it's Mike used to have this number, so hopefully they can forward it to him.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to stop texting.

Speaker 12 Yeah, MJ, but outside of MJ, I'll probably say maybe like Obama or The Rock.

Speaker 1 Oh, The Rock's a good one. Yeah.
Have you guys had Braun on or no?

Speaker 12 No. Do you think he would? He said he, I mean, he said several times he would, but, you know, who knows? There's a lot of going on in his life, so obviously it would be amazing to sit down with him.

Speaker 4 Now that he's in the content game, he might understand it a little bit more because he's having to reach out to people and that that stuff.

Speaker 12 Or he might want to save his good shit for his own shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 12 he's told me several times. At Draymond Green's wedding, we had a few drinks, and he probably told me three or four times he was coming on the show.
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He would never have after a couple drinks, and everyone will go on every show.
Yeah, right? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 You promised everybody something by that second drink. I do it all the time.
I can't wait to have a drink.

Speaker 12 It would be an honor to get Braun though.

Speaker 4 Is there a player in the league right now that you would like to see develop a podcast?

Speaker 1 Anthony Edwards. Yes.

Speaker 12 I think he's got the personality.

Speaker 12 He's an up-and-coming star. I mean, I think he is going to be one of the faces of the league in the next couple of years, so I think he would be dope.

Speaker 4 I would like to see a Jokic podcast, but just about horse racing. Just strictly horses.

Speaker 12 Drinking beer and horse racing?

Speaker 4 Yeah, drinking beer and horses. I'd subscribe for it.
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 Definitely. Well, guys, congrats on all the success.
Thank you guys for coming by. Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 We'd love to have you on. And, yeah, appreciate it.
All y'all fans? Could y'all be our fans now? Yes.

Speaker 1 well, yeah, because you said you'd fight for me, yeah. Oh, I got it, yeah, I got you.
So, that's yeah, they'll all go somewhere. Once we locked up, we locked in for life, bro.

Speaker 1 Okay, I might have some people, I might need you to come back to the office. We're doing a we're doing like a survivor, yeah.
I might need you to just walk around with me for that.

Speaker 12 I've done, I've had a couple fights, too. I'll help you guys.

Speaker 1 All right, yeah, both you guys can just come and just walk.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there's a guy named Brandon Walker you're gonna pass by. Like, when you guys said hit him in the face,

Speaker 1 be careful because it might happen as long as you got the legal bills.

Speaker 1 I ain't at it is, Chef.

Speaker 1 Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys, for that.
Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Fire Fest of the week. Hank, I mean, I don't.

Speaker 4 He should be exempt.

Speaker 4 Hank should not do a fire fest this week.

Speaker 1 Pass on Hank. Pass on Hank.
Max, you do a Fire Fest.

Speaker 4 My Fire Fest is Hank.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 1 Mine's also Hank.

Speaker 9 Hank had a legitimate one earlier this week. Yeah, he already did it.

Speaker 1 Max, by the way,

Speaker 1 Max, do you go to the Water Dogs tomorrow? Water Dogs, baby.

Speaker 7 Yep, Saturday, Sunday.

Speaker 7 I'll be on the field rooting on our dogs. Michael Sowers homecoming.

Speaker 5 Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 1 Michael Sowers is the man. He's going to have 10 goals.
I don't know.

Speaker 7 I think that's a lot in lacrosse over two games.

Speaker 1 I promise the Water Dogs free bar tab if you'd like to match with me or just split with me. They have to go 2-0 this weekend and win a fight.

Speaker 4 Okay, if they win two fights, then I'll double.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, perfect. Love it.
So, Max,

Speaker 1 your firefest is Hank?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, just

Speaker 1 Boston.

Speaker 7 All of Boston is my firefest.

Speaker 5 Hank is your boss.

Speaker 7 I also learned a fun fact about Boston. Do you know that they're not allowed to have bottomless mimosas or happy hour because they get in too many bar fights?

Speaker 1 That rocks.

Speaker 1 That would be such an honor. That doesn't do what you thought it did.

Speaker 4 To have your city have to pass a law because you guys party too hard.

Speaker 1 Max,

Speaker 7 that's not partying too hard.

Speaker 7 Just fighting each other.

Speaker 1 Just getting drunk and fighting is, yeah, that's like the definition of partying too hard.

Speaker 4 Getting into bottomless mimosa fights is pretty funny.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's like Zoolander.

Speaker 1 That's your boss you're talking about, Max.

Speaker 12 Whatever.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 PFT. We're skipping you, Hank.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Hank doesn't get a fire fest. I actually think he shouldn't get one this week or next week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 4 Because he had the 24 hours of a lifetime.

Speaker 7 Unless something really bad happens to him.

Speaker 1 Like that

Speaker 1 growth on his

Speaker 5 swollen lymph node.

Speaker 4 Have you been partying?

Speaker 7 What if the Mavs just come back?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Let's talk about it, Max. Let's talk about it.

Speaker 4 How good would you be, though, Max?

Speaker 1 I can't actually think that.

Speaker 7 No, I don't at all. There's literally.

Speaker 1 But no, no, no, no, no, no. You do because you said it out loud.

Speaker 6 I know. Well, I'm just thinking, like,

Speaker 7 we just gave Hank all his flowers. Like, the next episode doesn't even matter.

Speaker 4 This does feel like we're writing Hank off the show. Yeah.
Right? Like, this is a big, happy goodbye for Hank.

Speaker 1 But it would be hilarious if the match came back. You think there's a chance?

Speaker 7 No, I don't. I'm not watching any more game the rest

Speaker 1 of the single game the rest of the series. Okay.

Speaker 7 I'll be watching zero basketball.

Speaker 5 I'll text you updates. Thanks.
I'll need them.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 PFT, your fire fest.

Speaker 4 My fire fest, I guess, tying back to something from last episode, the USA tied Brazil in soccer, which was our first tie against Brazil ever, which doesn't really mean shit because we've also beaten them in the past, but the announcer was like, that's our first tie against Brazil.

Speaker 4 Let's go. That's what losers' soccer people are sometimes.

Speaker 1 But we are loser soccer people.

Speaker 4 We are loser soccer people. So we were like, it was a good thing that we tied Brazil.
But this is like the nightmare scenario for me and people like me who are Berl Halter out guys, Greg out guys.

Speaker 4 I think, are we a Berlhalter out podcast? Sure. I think we are.

Speaker 1 We're just

Speaker 1 the U.S. is what we are in soccer.
I just, that's been my stance for the longest time. It's like,

Speaker 1 if we want to...

Speaker 1 Didn't you say, PFT, we have to go to the Elite Eight next year? Yeah,

Speaker 4 quarterfinals in the World Cup, and we've got a good enough team. The players are good enough to do it.

Speaker 1 But our coaches are not.

Speaker 4 We're not a top-level soccer country but our coaches we have other sports that we care about and i care about those other sports more our coach that's a fact our coach stinks and having him get this tie against brazil is going to because we are a loser country in soccer what does our coach stink what does he do that makes us stink he doesn't play the best players uh that's good they don't play hard they don't play hard for him usually we lose to inferior opponents and we've always stunk but our but the difference is now all of our players are good like you can't say that our players aren't good anymore because

Speaker 1 they're just the same.

Speaker 4 No, but they're better because they're starting in the EPL. They're starting in La Louis.

Speaker 1 How many of them? All of them, I think. All of our players?

Speaker 4 I think all of our starting players are, yeah.

Speaker 1 Are starting in the EPL?

Speaker 4 No, not in the EPL. I'm talking the big European leagues.

Speaker 4 I think all of them are. So they're really good.

Speaker 1 What if the rest of the world just got a little worse?

Speaker 4 That might have been why we did COVID.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like

Speaker 1 I took everybody down a peg. I'm down to be Burr Halter out.
I also just don't know.

Speaker 1 We're not going to win a World Cup. So who cares? Probably not.
We probably won't win one in the next year.

Speaker 1 You're sounding like the Mavs coming back in this.

Speaker 4 But what if we did?

Speaker 4 In 2002, we should have made the semifinals. People forget that.

Speaker 1 It would rock.

Speaker 4 This team will be good enough, but the fact that we tied to Brazil in a meaningless game, an exhibition, means that the U.S.

Speaker 4 Soccer Federation is going to be like, Greg's got the team on the right track, and he's not fired. Sounds like he does.
And he's not going to be fired.

Speaker 1 Sounds like he does. We've never done that before.

Speaker 4 We have never tied Brazil. We have beaten them.

Speaker 1 Our A team versus RA team?

Speaker 4 Yeah, back in 1998, I think. In a tournament.
In a bigger game.

Speaker 1 This isn't their tournament?

Speaker 4 No, this is a friendly, getting ready for the South American tournament. Anyways, my point is that

Speaker 4 this was a bad tie because now it's going to keep our shitty coach around because people are going to be like, good job, Greg.

Speaker 4 You're coaching for your job and you got a major win when you tied Brazil. Although I will say, we won that tie.
It's just like when we beat England 0-0.

Speaker 1 Is his,

Speaker 1 is it, like, is his job even in jeopardy?

Speaker 4 I think it would have been if we got smoked by Brazil because Colombia.

Speaker 1 In a friendly?

Speaker 4 Yeah, because Colombia beat us 5-1 like two days ago.

Speaker 1 You get fired over a friendly?

Speaker 4 If the team stinks and then we're going into this big tournament and then they stink in the tournament, then Greg could have been fired. But now

Speaker 4 we got too much momentum and we're probably going to be good in the tournament. And then Greg's going to be around for the World Cup.

Speaker 1 I feel like I've heard about this guy getting fired forever now.

Speaker 4 He was fired like two years ago. They didn't renew his contract, and then they went on a coaching search, and they're like, Greg wasn't so bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they're just bluffing.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't know what's happening, but I do know that it's going to be bad news if he's the coach of the World Cup team.

Speaker 4 And that's the only thing I don't really care about EPL soccer or any European soccer. I do care about international.
I like watching the U.S. men's team do well.
And I do too. This is bad.

Speaker 1 I just know what our ceiling is.

Speaker 1 I'm the most realistic U.S. men's national team fan of all time.

Speaker 4 I think our ceiling is probably the semifinals, at the very best, in the next World Cup. Okay.

Speaker 1 Maybe even

Speaker 1 if we get bounced in the first, in the group play. Then Burhalter out.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then the next guy will get us to...
Well, then we'll rehire Burhalter after like

Speaker 1 in the first round. Okay.

Speaker 4 I guess if you're going to be shitty, it's actually not bad to have have a scapegoat.

Speaker 4 If we're going to be back team, if we end up sucking in the South American tournament and then we suck in the World Cup, I could always be like, our players are so good.

Speaker 4 If we just had a good coach, we would have won.

Speaker 1 He actually, Burhalter might be the greatest thing for U.S.

Speaker 1 men's national team because it gives fans hope that a coaching change will change the entire outcome of the history of soccer in this country when we have years and years and years of history to tell us it won't.

Speaker 1 But you can tell yourself that Burr Halter out will change that.

Speaker 1 If you do fire Burhalter and then the next guy comes and we just are the same exact soccer country, you might have to face the fact that we are what we are.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like last season,

Speaker 4 got a new owner in D.C.

Speaker 4 Didn't really have anybody to blame the shittiness of.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 You don't want to have that happen. You want the scapegoat.

Speaker 4 Now, yeah, so I could see myself being Burhalter in just so that I guarantee myself a scapegoat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But he's still a shitty coach. That's okay.

Speaker 1 I've said that. I'm going to follow your lead, so I'll go Burr Halter out for now, as of right now.

Speaker 1 Okay, my Fire Fest. I don't know if I should tell this story, but I'll just tell it.
Fuck it.

Speaker 1 I got in a splash battle with like a seven-year-old

Speaker 1 at the water park yesterday. I don't know if that was me being a bad person or not.
I would like you guys to tell me if I'm a bad person or not. Did you win? So here's what happened.

Speaker 1 Went to the water park, took my son. I'm on vacation with my family and then a

Speaker 1 friend's, like a couple friend and then their kid as well. So we went to the water park, having a great time, about to leave the water park.

Speaker 1 And this seven-year-old comes up to me and he just starts splashing me in the face. Like legit eye contacts, splashing me in the face.
And I said, I turned to him.

Speaker 1 I said, can you please stop splashing me in the face? And he kept on splashing me in the face.

Speaker 1 And then I said it a little louder because how it works with these water parks is like, there's parents kind of around watching.

Speaker 1 So, if you, you know, I said, please stop splashing me in the face, hoping a parent would be like, Hey, Johnny, stop, stop splashing that man with the SpongeBob body and the big tits in the face.

Speaker 1 And I would be like, Okay, great.

Speaker 1 Doesn't no parent, no parent looks up, no parent says anything. Another time, please stop splashing me in the face.
Kid just standing there, splashing me in the face three times.

Speaker 1 So I just went went tsunami splash, like one of these,

Speaker 1 just absolutely

Speaker 1 just smashed him in the face with a splash, and then he left.

Speaker 4 I think you had to do that. I think you're

Speaker 1 so too.

Speaker 4 But here's why. Not because you were being splashed, but because your children were there.
And if they see their dad getting bullied by a seven-year-old and losing a splash fight,

Speaker 4 that's the worst thing that could ever, that's something that they'll be in therapy for for 60 years.

Speaker 1 It was one splash and done. I didn't, I didn't, I could have stayed there and just kept on splashing the kid if I wanted to, but I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to end the issue because he was like almost following me, splashing me in the face.

Speaker 4 Now your son will get to go to school and say, like, my dad could splash the fuck out of your dad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I'm already dealing with the whole, like, the kid in his class, his dad is stronger than me, so I needed to do something to get a little bit of power back. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you think this is fair play? I think that's totally fair play. Yeah.

Speaker 4 There's only going to be two splashes if my dad gets a hold of your dad, him splashing the water, and your dad's head splashing open on the pavement.

Speaker 1 I've been feeling bad about it, but I really don't step in.

Speaker 5 You just gotta, as parents don't step in, you gotta do what you gotta do, right?

Speaker 1 It was just

Speaker 1 a quick splash right back in his face, and then he was gone. And he didn't even care.

Speaker 1 He didn't cry or anything. He just literally just left the scene.
He's like, all right, I can't pick on this guy anymore because he was picking on me, legit picking on me. I felt picked on.

Speaker 1 There was nothing I could do. Also, I've had the revelation just being on vacation and pool environments.

Speaker 1 The light bulb, you have weird moments as a parent where the light bulb clicks and you're like, God damn it. I sucked so much as a kid for my parents.

Speaker 1 Trying to get my kids out of the pool, it like clicked.

Speaker 1 I had that moment where I was like, I remember vividly just never refusing to get out of the pool as a kid and how much that must have sucked because it sucks.

Speaker 4 Because you know that your parents have clothes on.

Speaker 4 You're in a pool. You can just be like, no.

Speaker 1 I used to do the thing where I would lay down, where I'd lay on my back and pretend that I couldn't hear because my ears were under the water. Yeah.
And I would just lay there and

Speaker 1 or like go underwater and just keep going underwater and then come up for a little breath and go back underwater and just stay in the pool forever.

Speaker 1 That sucks.

Speaker 4 If you're swimming around, you're making the splash noises. You can't hear anything.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's a strong move. And I don't think the kids are going to stop doing that anytime soon.

Speaker 1 No, they're smart. They're very smart.
All right, Jake, you want to finish this off?

Speaker 9 Yeah. I've been back on a pickleball kick lately.
and this happened last year. I was standing in front of the kitchen, and I accidentally hit a winner in a lady's face.
Oh,

Speaker 1 that's way worse than me splashing that seven-year-old.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I said sorry, she was okay, but the guilt afterwards was bad.

Speaker 1 We won the point, but we lost a lot more. So, this is the second time you smashed a woman in the face

Speaker 1 during a pickleball point.

Speaker 1 You keep finding yourself

Speaker 1 getting your balls in women's faces. Well,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 the way it works is that if you're both at the kitchen, you leave a ball high. Also, the women should be in the kitchen.
Yeah, right. Okay, got it.

Speaker 4 Oh, but I think Jake's saying she shouldn't be in the kitchen.

Speaker 6 No, she wasn't in the kitchen. She wasn't in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, you're saying she's being a bad. You were punishing her for not being in the kitchen.
No, if she was in the kitchen, she'd be disqualified. Jake Bucker.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But any high ball in front of the kitchen, you're putting it away. It just happened to hit her, and I felt bad.

Speaker 4 Did you just do the racket in the air, or did you go to the

Speaker 1 sorry? Did she make a noise?

Speaker 7 Not that I know of.

Speaker 1 Did she yelp?

Speaker 4 No, I just said sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you okay?

Speaker 1 And she started crying and was like, God damn it.

Speaker 4 Jake, did you make a noise when you hit it?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. There's not as much grunting in pickleball.
That's a lot. Jake makes noise.

Speaker 4 You lead the podcast.

Speaker 5 No, I do here and there, but not like tennis.

Speaker 6 yeah you grunted in ping pong

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 that's okay different pickleball no that's less than pickleball yeah that's less than pickleball not if you're slamming it

Speaker 1 apparently you do a lot to women

Speaker 1 how old is this woman uh

Speaker 1 she was probably about my age okay are you are you ever catching yourself playing like against elderly people? Yeah, it happens, but that's what makes pickleball so great is like,

Speaker 9 you know, age, gender, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 Like people, older people can really be good at this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I, I, I saw, I read something that was like, uh, pickleball was invented to, like, to finally try to get back at boomers who have like ruined the entire country

Speaker 1 to just get them to play this sport and get injured. which I kind of like that theory.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but it's a very inclusive game.

Speaker 1 It's fun. fun,

Speaker 1 okay. Except if you're across from Jake and then outside the kitchen, then you'll get smashed.

Speaker 4 Is it a one-on-one game?

Speaker 9 It's mostly doubles

Speaker 4 mixed doubles, or was it you and a guy against two girls?

Speaker 9 Uh, this game was pick up, so it was just like four on, four off. So it was me and a guy against a guy and a girl.

Speaker 4 Okay, and you smashed the girl because she was not in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 No, but oh my god, memes already did a

Speaker 1 did a face mash of Bucker and Jake March.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, that was so quick. Yeah, that was really quick.

Speaker 1 That was crazy. No, but yeah,

Speaker 9 I respect, appreciate women.

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 That didn't end up.

Speaker 1 I mean, anything I said, you guys would have, yeah,

Speaker 6 worked your magic.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Should we do numbers? PFT, you're going to have to hear it. Yeah, I got it.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Great show, boys. All right.
What are the numbers?

Speaker 5 20.

Speaker 1 56. 18.
8. 18.
3. IV you, Hank.
99, Poke.

Speaker 9 It's your birthday. You can have it.
You can have it.

Speaker 5 89.

Speaker 1 21. No.
You want it?

Speaker 5 32. I got it.

Speaker 1 33.

Speaker 7 Say it again. Sorry.

Speaker 4 If Hank wins this, can we all agree to murder him?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 If the thing on his chin doesn't murder him first.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm a little worried.

Speaker 1 Were you on WebMD?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did they say?

Speaker 5 I could have Hodgkin's lymphoma. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 7 WebMD is what got me to the urgent care for my hand, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, what happened with your hand?

Speaker 7 It pretty much broke an hand.

Speaker 1 So it's not broken. It's pretty much broken.

Speaker 4 All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 Make sure you don't look

Speaker 1 14.

Speaker 1 All right,

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