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Today is Friday, May 17th and the Minnesota Timberwolves have forced a game seven with an absolute ass kicking PFT of the Denver nuggets. when you thought this series couldn't get weirder you thought the the the wolves were dead they come out and they they 50 piece they 45 pieced the nuggets at home with their throwbacks and we're going yeah they trumped them and we're going to a game seven yeah game seven twoest words in sports.
It used to be Beatle A. Now it's Game 7.
We're also Game 5 fans, but this series has not been – it's been close in terms of the number of games won, but there haven't been any real good games. It feels like it goes back and forth.
First two games, obviously, Timberwolves. Then the Nuggets went on a little run.
Now it's back to the Wolves again. and whatever team is hot is just way better than the other team that night so i don't know what to expect expect out of game seven it feels like nuggets have the advantage at home but after watching this ass kicking tonight now that's kind of up in the air too i just whoever the spreads don't matter in this game put it that way yeah.
It's just like pick whatever team you think is going to win.

And if they can figure out how to get the ball out of Jamal Murray's hands more,

then that might be a good idea because that's how they kind of turned the tide of the series.

It was in the first two games.

They were like, you know what?

Michael Malone said Jamal Murray bringing the ball up the court is an issue for us.

Him getting pressured 94 feet is an issue for us.

So we're going to have Jokic do it. We're going have aaron gordon do it and that seemed to work for three games and jamal murray is just back to being complete garbage he just he just can't shoot yeah yeah the nuggets shot like shit i also thought the timberwolves made an awesome defensive adjustment by doubling yokich in the post where they're like hey rudy gobert got cooked for an all-time performance in game five.
Let's maybe give him some help. And it wasn't even the doubling.
It was like how good and crisp they were with their, like, rotations behind the double. And then obviously it helps that the Nuggets just couldn't hit a shot.
But all credit to the Wolves. Like, they came out with that defensive intensity and game plan that you saw in games one and two and just absolutely took it to the nuggets and now i mean anthony edwards was awesome i did have a nuclear missile whale play on his over points but the game was so out of hand he was like three points off uh but yeah you're right like the spreads don't, as close as they've been, it's been a great like chess,

like counter chess moves by both coaches.

And we now get to a game seven in Denver, I think Sunday night.

And I guess whoever, whichever team is going to want to start making some shots because the Nuggets were so bad from three.

So, so bad from three tonight.

And the Wolves look like the game one and two Wolves,

where it's like this team is ready.

That's the thing. The Wolves played.
They should get credit.

They played with a lot of energy and they looked really good,

especially in the first half.

They put the game out of hand pretty much by the middle of the third quarter,

but also the Nuggets, I think deserve. It's like who, who won?

Did they win it or did, did the Nuggets lose it?

If the Nuggets had shot well, this game would have been much more competitive. I don't know if it would have been – obviously 45 points is a lot.
But this was just an all-time shit performance by the Nuggets shooting the basketball. And we also should say that the Wolves were their throwbacks with the throwback court, which was the minute I turned on the game.
I was like, oh, it's fucking on. I don't know.
They should wear that

every single game. I do not think they could lose

in those. I know there's probably stats to say

they probably lost game three and four and I'm

forgetting it. I'm going recency

bias. They don't lose in those.

I like the t-shirts they were wearing tonight, too.

They're kind of swagger jacking OKC a little bit,

but the fan t-shirts that just

said I heart wolves. That's a good one.

Yeah. By the way, if you're tuning said, I heart wolves.
That's a good one. Yeah.

By the way, if you're tuning in and watching us,

Hank is in a – well, I was going to say Uber,

but you're banned from Uber.

A Lyft?

He's in a library.

I'm in a library, yeah.

He's studying. A Lyft library.

Yeah.

He joined the show just to prove that he's still awake,

even though it's not that late.

But he's gone for the weekend.

He's out of town, and he's in a Lyft right now in a library, Lyft library.

Yeah, great to be here.

Missed you guys.

He's also PFT.

I can see him even though you can't really see him.

He's like a hologram Hank.

You see that smile?

That smile is that the Wolves might win game seven.

Yeah, he's happy. Hank's definitely in a better place right now than he was at this exact time two nights ago.
You do look like a hologram or like a ghost, like a demon poltergeist. Yeah, I tried to take it off, but then I feel like I almost blew up the riverside, so I'm just going with it.
Should I take it off again? I can't. Okay.
okay i'm gonna say it stopped the recording uh all right other game tonight that was incredible period of the rangers period of the week new york rangers down 3-1 look lifeless uh look like we were gonna have an all-time choke job by the rangers forcing a game seven after they're up 3-0 in this series they come back they win the game memes uh I would like to read a tweet to you uh that was posted when the Rangers had a incredible comeback like awesome moment for Rangers fans they were probably I I know some Rangers fans. We have some

co-workers who are Rangers fans. They started

to feel the pressure because you

don't want to be the team that's up 3-0 and then

have to go home for game 7.

So, put all

that out there. Rangers

come back from down 3-1. They look

like they were dead. And

the tweet we got

from the part of my take account was Hurricanes were so close to pulling off the series comeback that's the quote for the rangers uh game-winning goal yeah that's our one and only memes yeah i love it i love getting ahead of it unbiased though memes is nothing but un. There was a great, great save by the defender in this game.

Did you see that?

Yeah.

Laid out, stopped the puck on the line.

The parallax angles were everywhere.

They're trying to figure out if it went in.

I don't think it went in.

It was one of the, it was an all-time hustle play.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Memes, so how are you feeling now that the Rangers,

you were definitely like, this is going to be awesome. They're going to choke.
The pressure's all going to be on them in game seven. And then it just flipped on you.
Are you getting nervous? So I was very excited in the second. And then Biz went on TNT and said, when the Canes win the series, I want the Martinuk save framed and signed and signed so and then they just went on a tear on the third so it's business yeah it's all business fault yeah he is a mush it's good too because biz is like charles barkley the two of them together are like the mushes of their respective shows on tnt yeah they're so good i actually so we talk a talk a little bit later about Inside the NBA and how it's maybe going away, maybe moving to a different place.
I went down a rabbit hole for about, I'd say 25, 30 minutes today, watching the best clips in Inside the NBA history. I was just laughing the entire time.
It's so funny. It's so good.
I hope they keep it together somehow, but just if you don't, if you got some time to kill on a friday if you're in a lift and you're going somewhere probably totally sober uh just pull up the clips the like highlight reels of inside the nba and just laugh your ass off it'll be the best 30 minutes that you spend did you watch the clip my all-time favorite is uh charles barkley talking about how he got his bracelet from a dude in the sauna yeah yeah in the steam room in the steam room yeah he's like yeah this guy gave it to me that's a great one my my my other favorite is the night that the uh that the clippers and the rockets got into the fight underneath the uh staples center and they went to somebody in the locker room that was giving a very serious report about what happened and she was like uh the LAPD has been called they are providing uh security for both teams there's a police presence outside the locker rooms escorting players to the team buses it was like a very serious report and then it cut back to inside the NBA and Shaq and Charles were just crying laughing doing and they were doing like fake 9-1-1 calls like hey 9-1-1 yeah uh you get here quick. Chris Paul's about to come kick my ass.
It was so good. But guess what, PFT? We don't have to worry.
Because I don't know if you saw NBA Countdown, the counterpart on ESPN tonight. But minutes before the tip-off of the Wolves-Nuggets game, they were so locked in, they had a debate.
Would Stephen A score one basket versus LeBron in a one-on-one game up to 100 points, spotting Stephen A 99 points? That was what they talked about. Because Stephen A brought this up.
Stephen A brought this up this morning. He was wet.
He was before the they started taping he he no he brought it up i think it was on like first take or get up one of those shows and he brought it up and so he started talking about it and so the way that content works at espn is when somebody says something inflammatory on one of their shows then all the other shows talk about that for the next like two weeks so that

what did they say did they think he could do it i think he said he could do it because he he was warming up with bob myers tonight uh and he hit like five jumpers in a row so that was kind of i think that was what propelled it like hey we're it's ready for prime time let's bring this debate to prime time i could probably get a bucket on him i'm going to say that steven a i think steven they could score like five buckets on them.

Ooh.

Cause I think LeBron. prime time i could probably get a bucket on him i'm going to say that steven a i think steven a

could score like five buckets on him because i think lebron winners or losers what do you mean like if lebron scores he does he get the ball checked out oh yeah yeah if lebron scores no it goes to losers okay okay i think you get five on him and because i think that LeBron would – he'd just – he'd get tired.

There's no load management in the game to 100 one-on-one.

Yeah.

Stephen A. could just probably shit talk him to get in his head.

Yeah.

Oh, easily.

Easily.

Yeah.

Okay, should we talk about the PGA Championship real quick?

I have two thoughts.

One is Scotty Scheffler may be mortal because he's not leading

and it's very weird to see him not leading because Xander shoffley was incredible uh what did scotty end up shooting minus three minus four so he's tied for 12th but it was just weird hole which was insane yeah he had an eagle but then he had a bad bogey a couple holes later um and then the other one is do you think there's a possibility that john rom gives back all his money and he's like i made a huge mistake i'm gonna go back to the pga which is because he's not happy he's so miserable and he's golfing like shit yeah i don't know maybe what is it about playing on the live tour that's that actually makes him worse at golf i don't know i mean he ended up minus one but it was like if you look at his scorecard he was uh he was all over the place like he he bogeyed it's actually incredible that he was minus one because he ended up boguing five holes and he just looked miserable out there um i don't know it could be could he be the one that swings it all back or he's like i don't want this want this money. Like, can I just give you an IOU guys? Well, the thing about Jon Rahm is I think he still wants all the money.
He just, he wants to play better golf too. But no, I think that the money, the money is a big stumbling block in that negotiation because he doesn't want to lose it.
And then also trying to go to MBS and say, hey, can I just say psych?

Can we just do a redo on this one? I'll go back to the PGA. I don't know if that's going to happen at all.
Because that's – John Rahm, it felt like, was a big part of the public investment fund's leverage. Where now everybody's talking about, like, they've got the best players and you can't make an argument otherwise now.
Especially how the start of the season was going. Like besides Scotty and there are a couple other guys, but like they have all the top players, the ones that have been most successful in majors.
And it just feels like the John Rom transfer was the tipping point for that. And I don't think that the live tour wants to give that guy up.
I agree with you. I'm just, I, he does look miserable out there.
So I don't know if he's just like hating his decision, but it's, it's interesting to watch. And then our guys, Brooks and Max both did well.
They're in the hunt. They did well.
I love it when they play together. I love it when they're in the same group because it solves a lot of problems for me.
I don't have to worry about jumping back and forth from groups or waiting until my group shot comes up. I just said, I forget it.
Then Shoffleyfly was lights out today he's in the lead he shot nine under i think so now everyone is saying like this feels like it's the year feels like it's the tournament he's nine under right now uh i don't think i'm gonna i'm gonna go on the record and say i've seen this movie before and it's not gonna end end well. Yeah.
Bogey free golf from him.

He was on fire.

62.

It was crazy.

Hank, have you ever played a bogey free round?

Yeah.

Doubles.

All doubles.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Anything else?

We have awesome rest of the show back in studio.

We just wanted to make sure we updated obviously game six. Anything else before we kick it to ourselves to talk more playoffs, NFL schedule, Randy Moss and Pat Connaughton? We got any last thoughts? Jason Duffner's in the hunt.
I bet him – I think it was like $50 to win $10,000 if he finishes top ten. So something to keep an eye on.
All right, Jason Duffner. Duffner update.
Duffner update. What were you going to say, Jake? Didn't you say on the last show you wanted Michael Block to finish dead last? I did, and he was for a minute, but I don't think he's dead last anymore.
That sucks. Okay, so.
He's on an eight on the second hole. I'm glad you brought Blocky up because he had a quad on on number two and then he's in commercials all over the place.
He's like one of the faces of the PGA championship this year. It's very funny.
And he does, he looks, he looks more like if you, if you like kidnapped Ryan Russillo and left him out in the sun for a week, that's what Michael block looks like. Yeah.
I forgot that John Daly plays this every year so John Daly is second to last and Michael Block is uh he's he's far off finishing dead last but yeah he sucks in the the the eight that he got was so funny because it just goes against everything if he had Rory's distance because it was just him hitting it back and forth over the green uh yeah and getting an eight yeah also with John Daly he's he it's awesome the the setup that he has at the pj championship is incredible he gets to drive a cart so he's driving around but his caddy has to walk so his caddy is carrying his bag and then john daly's just driving a car next to him not obeying cart path rules driving all over the place it's awesome i love to see that at a big john and uh the reporter for the athletic gabby herzig said uh she tweeted this i overheard the volunteer with john daly's group say that he went through two packs of cigarettes four snicker bars and two cokes today at valhalla had to share two sodas what the fuck is wrong pepsi should have been pepsi would have shot better would have shot better. That's a fact.
That's a wild ratio, too. A pack of cigarettes for every soda? Yeah, and also two Snickers.
I think it would be even crazier. Two Snicker bars for every pack of cigarettes.
Yeah. Four Snickers bars.
How many cigarettes are there in a pack of cigarettes 20 20 so he smoked 40 cigarettes in 18 holes he smoked 10 cigarettes for every snickers bar that's fucking incredible he probably didn't even he probably didn't throw away the cans either they're just probably filled with cigarette butts of course Of course. Of course.
Jake, have you ever smoked a cigarette? Never in my life. I have dipped, though, with you.
Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember that.
Smoke a cig, Jake. We'll get you smoking a cig.
It also wasn't as black buffalo. Yeah, that's true.
But, yeah, we'll get you some cigarettes, Jake. We'll just do one night.
We'll do the job. What if we do a John Daly challenge? 40 cigarettes, 18 holes.
Two Pepsis, four Snickers. Two Pepsis.
I think we got to do that as a video. I think we got to do that as a video.
That would rock. Done.
I'm in. Done.
I'm so in. I think I'd probably eat the Snickers bars before I even got past the first hole.
This is how my life goes. I, I, I like start smoking because of some stupid PMT related challenge.
Then I have to start vaping to quit smoking. Then I have to start smoking to quit vaping.
And then I quit smoking and then we do another stupid PMT challenge. I have to start smoking again.
Yeah. All right.
Well, we're doing it. Yeah.
I'm just doing We're going to do it on the simulator. I'm in.
That actually spends – Okay, so I'm looking forward to the John Daly Challenge. Yeah, I am too.
This is going to be great. We should walk because it will give us a little more time.
Two packs of cigarettes, four Snickers, two Cokes, and 18 holes. Get it sponsored by Hooters.
Two Pepsis. Yeah, yeah.
We got this. This is no problem.
Okay, I'm happy we had one more thing to talk about. Okay, great.
The blocky led us to this. We're going to smoke two setbacks of cigarettes and play some golf.
And we got to try to – This is going to stink. We got to beat John Daly's score, which we should be able to do if we did a scramble, plus 16.
Plus 16. Do we – Now, what if we just did a full pack of cigarettes each oh daily with yeah maybe maybe me you and hank will do the john daily challenge we got to finish that's actually what we should do we should do a three-man scramble he shot 11 okay so that actually makes it even more exciting we do the three-man scramble have to shoot 11 uh and we do the we do this we

split the cigarettes the snickers bars and the pepsis and if we don't do it we have to just do

it again right away if we don't score less than 11 we have to we have to just go we have to literally

just start again the same time like just be like all right so we could have to smoke infinity packs

cigarettes what's so funny is that smoking 40 cigarettes in 18 holes is essentially what dads do to their kids when they find you smoking for the first time they're like oh you like cigarettes well here i bet you can't smoke 40 of them and that's that's a casual afternoon at the at the links for john daly all right i love this so all right i think the final i think what we finally have to decide is it's i think it's 40 cigarettes i think we all should have to do the four snickers and two pepsis individually and if we don't shoot better than 11 we have to go right back and start over can i be honest with you i think we i think we all have to do the two packs okay and if we don't shoot 11 we have to start over yeah i don't know we i don't know about that but i would feel like i was cheating the game if i only smoked one pack that's the hardest part of the challenge easily yeah you basically can't have a cigarette out of your hand you can't breathe you're just you're just breathing cigarettes there yeah you you have no time to stop smoking a cigarette. John Daly's essentially training at altitude every time he plays a round of golf because he's not getting any oxygen.
Oh, geez. If we do this, if we do this.
He might not have finished the second pack, though. We should say that.
We probably should get a clarification. If anyone can get us an actual amount of cigarettes smoked in the 18 holes, that would help because two cigarettes doesn't like it could have been he needed a second pack but he didn't get all the way through it yeah so who reported this Gabby Herzig okay does it if anybody out there knows Gabby Herzig oh she follows me I'll hit her up okay we need to get we need to get the exact number of cigarettes or as close to it as possible.

Okay.

This is going to be fun.

Hey, quick question.

Do you know exactly how many cigarettes John Daly smoked?

Was it a pack and a half, a pack and a quarter,

or like a full bona fide two packs of cigarettes?

All right, we'll get an answer.

For the Canucks, he just scored.

Oh, he did?

Oh.

Fuck. I told you guys.
You did. I know you did.
You did. No,ucks, he just scored.
Oh, he did? Oh, fuck.

I told you guys.

I know you did.

You did.

No, no.

I'm not blaming you, Jake.

I'm not blaming you.

You did.

Good call, Jake.

I had a nuke on Ant, so I didn't really have.

Damn it.

Yeah, that game's at 2-2 right now.

We'll talk about it on Sunday.

Okay.

Let's kick it back to ourselves.

Okay.

We're back in studio. And Henrywood, uh, you didn't beat the Cavs by triple digi, but you did get rid of the Cavaliers ended their season.
More importantly, you look well-rested. You look well-rested.
We'll get to it on fire fest. Uh, the Cavs are gone.
They also got shamed again. This is, I think, the third one that's happened.
The body wasn't even cold yet. It was maybe 30 minutes after the Cavs get bounced.
He posts a deep dive into the Cleveland Cavaliers and J.B. Bickerstaff, which, by the way, he doesn't get enough credit for having the worst coach name of all time.
J.B. Bickerstaff.
It's kind of fun to say, though. But it's literally his coaching staff is bickering.
Yes. They're upset at each other.
But, yeah, the Shams breakdown was so they lose. J.B.
Bickerstaff goes back into the locker room and probably pulls up his phone. He's like, all right, I guess I got to figure out my vacation.
We went to the second round. First time we won a playoff series without LeBron James since 1993.
Goes on the internet, and it's just this entire story how he got undressed by Colby Altman, the team president. No one really respected him.
Donovan Mitchell doesn't really like him. Jared Allen might be a wimpimp and you mean figuratively undressed by the by the team press yes okay yeah good so yeah it's got to be weird for him to go through that if we're putting our conspiracy hats on and we're speculating like we talked with woge about did lebron plant this lebron courtside maybe trying to elbow the coach out elbow his way in now one thing didn't talk about with LeBron courtside, I think he had his own personal bottle of wine with him.
Always does. Yeah, so you're allowed to do that? You can BYOW if you're LeBron James to an NBA game? Hold on.
Hold on a second. Hold on a second.
Yeah. So wait.
Let's get into it. All right.
So LeBron is going to go back to the Cavs. Yeah.
LeBron has a podcast with J.J. Redick.
LeBron wants to make the podcast even bigger. LeBron gets J.J.
Redick hired by the Lakers, tells J.J. Redick, I'm going to get you the Lakers job, but I'm not going to be here.
But at least you have the Lakers job. And now expectations are a little different.
You can have this Lakers job for a while. You see Anthony Davis, you have all this Cav this calf space LeBron knows that he's a coach killer so he's like you know what I'm going to right I'm going to put you in a position to succeed because you're my buddy we can't be on the same team and do this podcast I am going to go to Cleveland and I'll get a different coach so LeBron is actually trying to get two coaches hired right now is that actually his way of finally giving back to the coaching community I mean that would be well no because he also got two coaches fired if that's the case yeah but he's like it's kind of he's trying to restore his karma by getting two coaches hired in the same cycle he's a job creator yeah yeah well yeah but again he's getting the two coaches hired because he got two coaches fired wait what other coach hypothetically oh and bickerstaff and bickerst's he is creating new jobs but he's also eliminating old jobs so he's he's actually net he's carbon neutral carbon neutral but again none of this might happen none of this might so uh yeah it's fun but it's fun to think about but jb bickerstaff probably i i think that shams has something like this ready to go for every team now that gets bounced i'm going to be be disappointed if either, you know, if the Nuggets beat the Timberwolves, the Timberwolves get bounced.
If he doesn't have one ready to go for the Timberwolves, if he doesn't have one ready to go for the Thunder or maybe the Mavericks, I want to see the immediate post-mortems on every team. Like, here's why they always knew it wasn't going to work.
If I were Rudy Gobert or Carl Anthony Towns, I'd pull a fire alarm tonight trying to just extend the series because I feel like it's going to go with them. No, you got to be a source.
You got to be the one. You got to have your narrative out there.
We actually, we should release that this podcast is splitting up and see if Shams just posts an article. Imagine if we just did that and it was just all Hank's quotes.

Like, what the fuck, dude?

Yeah.

Why did you do this?

That'd be good.

Late night recordings.

We need that on Inside the NBA, too.

Yeah.

Give us the record. Oh, yeah.

They're starting to allude to it, which is sad.

They're not even alluding to it.

They're just saying it.

Charles Barkley's like, I think we're done.

Yeah, the show's over.

It's very sad.

I hope they do a Gone Fishing for themselves.

Yeah.

It sucks because it seems like it's earned.

I actually have a take.

Thank you. I think we're done.
Yeah, the show's over. I hope they do a Gone Fishing for themselves.
Yeah. It sucks because it seems like it's – I actually have a take.
I love Ernie Johnson. He's awesome.
He is the point guard to that. The stars of the show are Kenny and Chuck.
So it will be weird because I think what Chuck has basically been saying is like he'll go somewhere else. Ernie Johnson won't, which will suck because you don't want to break up the chemistry.

But I still think if you have to replace one person, you can replace him and probably keep going.

Probably.

But Ernie Johnson is the perfect. He's perfect.

For that show.

Absolutely perfect.

And I love how everyone's talking about him.

Like, he is a Turner lifer.

He's going to work for that Turner company until the day he dies.

Yeah, like, Ernie, it's okay to not be a Turner lififer. Let us keep enjoying the show that you've built and has been phenomenal.
Like, no one's going to be like, oh, man, how did you turn your back on Turner? Yeah, so I guess it all depends on what either network or service gets the NBA and who they can hire. I'm pretty sure it's NBC.
I think it's NBC. It's definitely going to be NBC.
I think it's pretty much NBC, yeah. So who's going to do it from NBC? Jack Collins works.
I was going to say Tony Dungy. Mike Florio.
Get him out. Tony Romo.
Tariko works there. Tariko.
I don't think Tariko would be that good. He's good at everything.
They would. That's not true.
Talking to women. Staying away from women.
Yeah. Jake, you walked yourself into that one.
You literally just were like, hey, guys. Here, let me put this ball in the tee.
My Tareel's a great guy. Yeah, let me put this ball in the tee.
Okay. Great broadcaster.
Even better human being. Randy Moss.
Oh, yeah. That would be sick.
Our Randy Moss. Yeah, our Randy Moss.
Our Randy Moss would be excellent at that job.

Noah Eagle.

Florio.

I'd like to see Florio do it for a day.

He'd be so upset.

He'd be like, you guys are talking in hypotheticals.

Get back to the facts.

No, Florio would throw out some of his little NBA fans.

Yeah, true.

Yeah, you're right.

We actually do need to unleash Mike Florio's brain on the NBA.

That would be fun.

Okay, I take it back.

Florio would be perfect for that show. Okay, other game.
Oh, sorry, Hank. We covered it.
Congrats, Hank, your Celtics cakewalk. In our defense, we don't know whether you're going to show up to the show anymore.
So we have no idea if you're sitting here or if this is AI, Hank. Hank, the Celtics.
It was a good one. The Morris career game yeah there was you know they they were close for the first three quarters Celtics closed it out almost covered one by 15 I don't give a fuck about anyone that says that their path is easy like there's nothing that the Celtics can do about that all they can do is beat the teams in front of them and that's what we're going to do we're going to smoke New York maybe Indiana if New York absolutely chokes the rest of the series but who cares like it's not it's not a valid excuse for people to be like oh like cupcake Mickey Mouse you know Eastern Conference run like who cares what are we supposed to do if you're winning games that's what you're you're winning series four to one pretty good there are going to be some hiccup games for sure and we talked about uh jalen and uh jason kind of going after each other with the chest slap do you see jalen got him back after after jason tatum hit that big shot towards the end of the game jalen went up to him slapped him in the chest really hard they had a good time.
They're bros again. Yeah.
Jalen Brown just needs, like, every single day in these off days, just 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 free throws. Wait, but what about his left hand? That's okay.
That's a little bit of an overrated thing. The free throws is real, and the free throws are scary.
He was 2-4 last night. It's just crazy that it was like this three years ago, two years ago, last year.
There's no confidence with him going to the line. Watching as a fan, and it feels like him as a player, which is just a nightmare scenario when we are playing a good team, fully healthy team, closed games closed games every point matters that's i'm not even worried about the knicks i'm worried about our free throws making so are you worried a little bit about jerry o'connell bing bong bong bing bong henry bing bong no i love jerry i welcome it with open arms uh here you go our Our friend Kirk tweeted this the other day, Kirk Minahan.
You walk around with this in your back pocket. 87 Lakers path to the finals.
They beat a 37-45 Suns team, a 42-40 Nuggets team, and a 36-46 Sonics team. Just go around and say that.
Have that in the card. Who cares? Who cares? You play who's in front of you.
Path to the finals does not matter. That's the perfect thing for Kirk to put out there, too.
It's like a 1980s team. Yeah, right.
Yeah. But, like, are they going to take away Magic Johnson's title there? Nope.
No one says that. Right.
So, who cares? Happy you stayed cocky. Happy you're here today.
Thanks. Yeah.
Other game. Luka.
He hurt all that junk. He's not hurt anymore.
No, he's still very hurt. So they put up a great graphic last night.
It was the Big Ben graphic. He is the new Big Ben.
Yep. Right knee sprain, left knee soreness, back soreness, left Achilles soreness.
His teeth hurt, and he has a parrot, and its head's falling off. I think the teeth you gotta get that checked out yeah the teeth the teeth is bad that's teeth pain is bad ir from teeth i think he got he got hit in his teeth it's not like it's a toothache if you have a toothache you can't do anything no but he had a triple double uh he looked awesome hank you okay over there he just choked on some water he choked you on...
You okay? That's a grind. Do you mean drowned? It's a grind.
This job was a grind. Hank almost drowned drinking a body armor.
We're good. The Thunder, after game four, I was like, oh, they earned their stripes.
They're back to not having any stripes anymore because besides Shea Gildershaw Alexander, they look like the moment is too big. Jalen Williams has been bad.
He needs to be really good. And I'm just so sick of watching the Thunder pump fake on every single possession and then pass and then drive to the middle and then pass and then miss a three.
Yeah, so their three-point shooting in the last two games has been atrocious. And they're not going to win this series if they shoot 25% from three.
They have to be lights out from three, and then they can win. I don't think they're dead yet.
No, but they have not had anyone besides Shea Gilgis-Alexander in the last – like Jalen Williams is one of their best players. He needs to step up.
Like, stop pump faking. It feels like there's a crisis of confidence, which you could totally understand for a young team.
And Shea Gilgis-lexander is a little bit older than the other guys where he's been through a little bit more so he has the confidence but the young guys are being like this moment feels too big uh either way it's okay for the thunder in the future but right now and and and i am back to they did the hack of shack again shout out derrick lively going five going five for six from the free throw line, just shoving it in their face. But, yeah, the Mavs are a little dangerous, Hank.
Their defense is really good. Yeah, I hope they can beat the Nuggets.
I think they're good. Okay.
Do I think they'll beat the Nuggets? No. And I feel like they have all – their role players are stepping up in, like, big –

P.J. Washington's been great.

He didn't have – he had 10 points on Wednesday night.

But, like, Derek Jones has been awesome.

That block and then dunk sequence with, like, two minutes left,

which basically the game was over, but it was, like, that was the dagger.

Kyrie's not even scoring, and they're playing well. You think they have a chance against the Nuggets, though? I think if Luka blacks out every game until it's 50 or Kyrie.
But that's a chance. That's the beauty of the NBA playoffs.
Better or worse chance than the Timberwolves? Worse. I think a worse chance.
I think there's definitely a high likelihood.

In fact, I think it's probably going to happen where either Luka or Kyrie,

maybe both of them have one game where they just go insane and they win a game.

I don't think it's going to be a sweep.

I don't think it's going to be 4-1, but I would have the Nuggets in six,

Nuggets in seven.

I think they might have a better chance just because of the Luka factor.

Anytime you have a guy like Luka who is a superstar, and you're like, if he just plays Everyone was sucking off Anthony Edgerton after game one and two, always superstars, always superstars, Jason Tatum. The big three has left.
So much better than Jason Tatum. Oh, wow.
Okay, so now we know. Bo, bo, bo, bo, bo.
I mean, the suck-off fest was insane. Well, yeah, the Nuggets, well, we already know whether the Wolves are dead or not uh because you listen to the beginning of the show i i okay they're dead uh also an underrated part of uh wednesday's show was when we asked hank how it went between the nuggets and the timberwolves when we recorded in studio and we're he was like bad like what do you mean just bad it was bad nothing good at the beginning of the show.
Nothing good, yeah. That's right.
You don't think Luka, though, it's a long shot, but Luka is in that group of guys that it's like if he just goes insane, anything can happen. Yeah, I mean, Kyrie's kind of in there too.
Jokic is obviously higher than that. Yeah, Jokic is bigger.
If Jokic goes insane and Luka goes insane, the Nuggets win. I'm just saying that if Luka has that few guys in the league that they could control a series if they just play out of their minds, that's where his ceiling is.
I hope he does. Okay.
Yeah, I think that the Nuggets have even four of they have – they're capable of having incredible nights, and when they do, they're probably going to win. I just think that the Nuggets have too much talent for the Mavericks.
Okay. Hockey, the Avs fought back.
People said that there had been injuries with the Avs, and I was wrong to say to crown the Stars. I still think the Stars are going to win this series.
I said that. I said look out for the abs, but my opinion is solely based on spitting chicklets.
Yeah, that's right. That was pre-playoffs opinion.
No, it was pre-this series opinion. Oh, okay.
Before this series. Mine's pre-playoffs opinion from Ryan Whitney saying the stars are the best team.
Yeah, stars are, but also these two teams, whoever wins this series, they're probably going to be the favorite to come out of the West. Yeah.
Okay, so we should talk about the NFL schedule release. We finally have the schedule release.
I have a real old man yells at cloud take. I think Hank agrees with me.
I don't know where you are, PFT. Are you talking about teams getting too cute with it? I'm talking about the entire thing.
I'm talking about the leaks. I'm talking about the intentional leaks, the unintentional leaks, the release of the release of the schedule.
I'm kind of over all of it. I actually wish the NFL would go to a system where we don't even know when it's coming out, and it's just a random Tuesday afternoon, the schedule is out.
Because the surprise of it would be awesome. This just feels like it's gotten to a point where it's so – everyone's like, I got to be cute.
Every team account's got to be cute. And we know so much of the schedule before the schedule even gets put out there that the moment just doesn't – like 7 o'clock hit.
I had known the Bears bear schedule for what? Seven hours. So what we have to do is we have to have fake releases that come out.
So that way you, you can't trust in the leaks that you see, but, or just, I'm saying like 11 o'clock. Like if, if, if Schefter hadn't tweeted this last week and I know they have to make it entertainment and they have to make a TV show.
I get it. It's never going to change.
But I think it would rock if at like 11 o'clock on this week, Tuesday, you just got a tweet from the NFL being like, schedules are out. Go check your schedule out now.
It's like, holy shit. Yeah.
From a fan perspective, also, it would be electric if they just announced next week's schedule during that break between the afternoon games and Sunday night football. Yeah.
We said the selection show. But it's every week.
Every week you get to determine, you get to figure out who you're playing the next week. Then you have like, even if you lose your game on Sunday and you're depressed because your team just lost, you get to have something to look forward to.
Like, let's find out who we're playing tonight. It would never happen because of travel and all that.
But it's become a big production. Yeah.
For sure. I honestly did not know why they had a big show around the schedule release because the event is the schedules out there.
That's like a one and done thing. Right.
It's like then you sit and you go through all the schedules. You talk about your favorite matchups over the course of the season.
To me, it feels like it's a big production, but that's what the NFL does. Right.
And they're like, we can dominate one more night of the week in the middle of May. Yeah, let's just pull all of our marketing initiatives, put it into that.
And then all the team accounts do it because, obviously, social impressions mean a lot to the value of the team. Right.
So it becomes, yeah, it's like prom. It's a nerd prom well what it is i was on uh with uh our guys randy and bill today on pittsburgh radio and we were talking about the schedule release and how it's gotten so crazy it's essentially the nfl it just uh has stepped on our drugs so much and we just keep taking it they're like hey we're gonna just we're gonna we're gonna make you watch the schedule release in the middle of may hey we're going to make you watch Friday football in Brazil.
Hey, how about Wednesday football?

We're. we're going to make you watch the schedule release in the middle of May.
Hey, we're going to make you watch Friday football in Brazil. Hey, how about Wednesday football? They're throwing the baby powder, all that, and we're like, yeah, fine, we'll take it.
Yeah, I'll take all of it. Give it to us.
I'll take all of it. Yeah.
And, yeah, you're right. The announcement of when the schedule will be released, the buildup to the release, the leaks into the release.
If you just – you've got to dial it back. Mark Cuban said pigs get fed, get fed hogs get slaughtered right turns out he was kind of wrong on that because the nfl is doing really really good actually from that moment on it's gotten like so much bigger and also hogs are delicious yes i eat a hog i don't eat a pig slaughtering hogs great the fatter the better yeah but um yeah it does feel like they're getting they're getting high on their own supply a little bit but i hate being in the spot we're gonna keep consuming that shit right like i'm i hate being in the spot where i'm like oh this is too much because it's just the being the cynical guy sucks but it just felt a little too much well i feel like in the past it it was it seemed forced this year where it seemed like there was a mandate from every team to try and do something really creative.
In the past, it was like some teams would just release their schedules. Some teams would do something funny.
Some teams would just do a generic schedule release video. This year, everyone seemed to be like, you have a budget and do something crazy.
And some of them were so corny that it was like, this is bad. But the Patriots one was fantastic.
Edelman killed it. Braun killed it.
Ernie Adams. Ernie Adams was great.
The Patriots one was great. The Chargers obviously are the gold standard.
The Titans did something great last year and like, let's run it back. I love that.
Yeah, that's fine. It worked.
Let's do it again. Stavi.
We love Stavi. love stavi that was great there were so many though that were just confusing like i it's because there's 32 of them and they all come out at the exact same time right like i you you were in the cowboys when i was in the packers one i didn't understand the packers one at all it's such a sad thing for this podcast that our biggest rivals just call us up and they're like hey hey you guys are such losers that we want to use your face in our marketing initiative the cowboys one though like they used two i didn't understand i was i was getting confused because they used they did two people per game no some of them well no we play so the commanders play against the cowboys twice and so they had me and rg3 went first, no big deal.
Was it your home game or theirs? I think I was the home game. For the Cowboys? I was the commander's home game against them.
Well, RG3 doesn't do so well on the FedEx field turf. I'm pretty sure for the Lions, they had someone, Jerry Jones, calling someone from the Lions, and then right after Tim and Post Malone calling someone from my personal friend post yeah uh so i was it was it was a little it was a little confusing yeah there were some confusing videos out there in years yeah it made no sense i was watching for you being like please show up soon it was joe buck and me back to back it was uh i was thinking about a pft because i wrestled with it i actually didn't know you were doing the Cowboys until I was – I basically walked around this office being like, should I do this? I feel like they're going to set me up.
And then Hank was like, well, PFT is doing the Cowboys once. You might as well.
But I'm okay with not being asked by the Bears because I'm honest about the Bears. I've said some things about the Bears that the Bears probably don't like.
There's probably people in the building that are like, that has said some things about ownership about the team about the franchise whatever packers i've just been i hate hate their fucking guts and they know that and so it's like all right we can let this guy say that he hates their fucking guts yeah yeah i mean it's it was a cool thing to be involved with but at the same time it was like the cowboys are just they know that they have dominated the commanders recently and they want me to be the face of losers and i'm happy to do that i was negotiating with the packers uh like it was a terrorist negotiation because they hit me up and immediately i said no and they're like well let us just send you the idea they sent me the idea and i was like i'm not going to do it like this i'm going to do it my way i'm going to send you a video if you want to use it fine that's good i was like i'm just going gonna say fuck you guys because i can't do it any other way i'm not gonna i'm i wasn't gonna play the cowboys a little game right like oh no the cowboys oh i can't believe they're i i put on my dan quinn backwards hat yeah and i was like we got your leader they edited that out uh probably smart on their part yeah but yeah i think they edited out me saying i hope jordan love gets hit by a bus yeah it's probably smart listen we're gonna fight fire with fire iron sharpens iron we made we made your team work a little bit harder for that release i liked what the chargers did with the sims i had an idea for the chargers that i think that they should have used they should have had connor stallions on a twitch stream on expedia looking up tickets and game time looking up like flights and tickets to all their opponents the week before the Chargers were going to play them. That would have been good.
Or if you want to dial it back, the Chargers should have had Harbaugh just hand him the schedule and just have Harbaugh read the schedule into the camera. Yeah.
And just pure Harbaugh. Just get that.
But yeah, they were good. Next year we should probably make our own cheesy schedule release.
Part of my take? Schedule release? It's Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Wednesday, Friday.
I also, they used to do them during the day. I don't know.
The whole thing has become. It was definitely not a prime time.
Like, every team was like, tonight, 8 o'clock, teaser. Like, they overhyped it.
I know. I hate being, I just really hate, because it was a fun thing where, you're right, Hank're right hank it was the perfect mix of like say half the league just released their schedule and half the league tried something now everyone's trying something and so many of them don't hit that you're like this is weird they're gonna do it they're gonna end up doing it like staggered where okay nfc east all their teams release a schedule at 7 p.m yeah afc east 7 15, 7.15.
It's going to be like the bracket show.

Yeah.

This is, you know, my first real season just accepting being a huge loser fan.

Oh.

You're actually accepting it.

Yeah, no, it's going to be a long season. And I had the realization that I loved the video so much,

and I was like, this is going to be the highlight of the year.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're going to start looking forward to this day.

I know in, like, November I'm going to look back and be like,

I'll see you next time. I loved the video so much, and I was like, this is going to be the highlight of the year.
Yeah. Yeah, you're going to start looking forward to this day.
I know in, like, November I'm going to look back and be like, ugh. That's not true.
Remember when we, like, how funny this was? That's not true. Drake May's, like, first long bomb will be the highlight of your year.
Yeah. But, no, Hank's right.
It's going to be like, you know, we had four losing seasons in a row, but you know what? We won the internet. People were telling us we won the internet, sir.
Oh, you are a loser now. I know.
Yeah, that is the biggest loser thing because I've been there. I know.
Yeah, we're winning the offseason. Oh, nothing better.
Hang the banner. Oh, yeah, you're going to start fantasizing about wide receiver free agents.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we're going to be looking at tanking.
Or not tanking, but it's going to be. I'll be watching college football probably closer than ever before this year.
I thought that the Panthers should have had David Tepper just walking around up to people that were wearing – like different strangers wearing hats of all their teams and going up and taking their hats off them and then showing it to the camera. Week one.
Yeah. That would have been good.
Throwing drinks. What if he just threw a drink in someone's face and then the logo came up? Yeah, I like that too.
Yeah. As for the actual schedule, we had the top 10 easiest schedules this year, which I guess we kind of knew because we already knew the opponents, but Falcons, Chargers, Bears, Jets, Saints.
Memes, we are, by the way. Do you want to talk real quick about the pervert, sicko, Henry Lockwood and what he's going to probably do to us this year? Because the Jets and the Bears' first two months are very winnable, and then they get difficult.
So the ride that we could potentially go on here, Memes, is quite something. If we beat the Niners, it's all.
Yeah. Yeah.

I think we could start 5-0.

Monday night.

Has the FBI reached out to you yet, Memes?

Not yet.

Okay.

Because only if he gets season-ending injury then.

So you went from being super depressed,

threatening to strap a bomb on your chest two days ago,

to now you're like, we're going to win that game. If, if.
He said if. I'm just saying if.
Because 49ers are really fucking good. And the Jets do, I think they have six primetime games, but they also do start with an easier schedule.
The Bears start, we don't play a division game until week 10. And we have some very winnable games in the first two months.
No primetime, though. What do you mean? Or no, like, I guess they have the London.
Well, no, week two, Sunday Night Football against C.J. Stroud in Texas.
Is there any other primetime, though? Yeah, the Bears have a Monday Night Football game against the Vikings, and they have London, and then Thursday night against the Seahawks and Lions Thanksgiving Daygiving day and all the i did think we'd get like one or more or two more monday night footballs did the flex scheduling become more complicated this offseason because they put out the rules for like which games can be flexed it felt like there were like i don't know like four or five different scenarios where it's like i'm not sure weeks six through ten you can do this weeks 11 through 17 you can do two of these unless one is taken earlier it was it was very complicated follow but i i think it's good that you have the opportunity if there is a big injury like there was last year with aaron rogers like i would prefer not to have to watch the jets in prime time all the time yeah yeah i agree um we and the the three of us play in a little round robin you don't play the patriots right i don't play don't play the Patriots. Yeah, but you play the Bears, and then two weeks later, the Patriots play the Bears.
Yep. And then in terms of hardest schedules, it is – I had it right here.
Hold on. It is the Steelers, the Patriots, the Browns, the Vikings, and the Ravens.
Yeah. Yeah schedule so a lot of afc uh north teams in that in the hardest schedule because they're all very good the last nine weeks for the steelers are absolutely brutal yeah so the last nine weeks for the steelers the commanders the ravens the browns the bangles the browns the eagles the Chiefs, the Bengals again.
Yeah. I just tossed the commanders in there.
It's really the last eight weeks. Last eight weeks are the hardest stretch by far.
And this is the fun time where everyone goes through their schedule and they're like, oh, this is a realistic thing. And guess what? All of it is going to be relevant by week two.
Yeah. Because every team that you think is going to be bad is going to be good.
And every team that going to be good is going to be bad and there's going to be six qb injuries but i'm not i've done it i think four different times already in my head going through the bears schedule so i'm not poo-pooing it everyone should do this just remember that what you're doing is just an exercise to get you closer to football that's true that's true this is how we pass the time in the offseason right and And the NFL is also using the Chiefs as their big experiment. They have the Chiefs playing on every night of the week, except for Tuesday.
Now we'll watch. And we'll watch it every single time.
That's what I'm saying. They step on our drugs, but they give us a little bit of the Chiefs.
A little bit of the Chiefs. And you've got the Swifties that are going to be signing up for all these streaming services.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that most Swifties out there, they're well acquainted with all the streaming services.
Yeah, and also everyone's going to tune in to see Harrison Butker. Yeah, Harrison Butker.
He's quite something. He's something.
He's something else, that guy. I don't know why anyone has not just had the take of, he's their kicker, who cares? Yeah, so- Like, why are we listening to a kicker? It was weird that he did that at a college commencement yeah to be like hey uh your most important role is actually going to be just being a homemaker yeah so you should do that uh also just as his whole vibe i'd never really gotten a good look at harrison buckler before he looks exactly like the guy from the meme that just says yes all the time yeah you know the blonde haired guy yeah that's him i think he styled his own image he's crafted in the likeness of that guy because he appreciates what that guy stands for he also has got some weird uh like almost like he could be a civil war general beard going yeah uh you remember that was it general andrew luck yes general harrison bucker yeah he's a kicker but also like slightly misogynistic if you're you're Patrick Mahomes, you have to be a little pissed here, right? Like your kicker shouldn't be making headlines.
Yep. That's just a fact.
I agree. You should not have your kicker being in controversies whatsoever.
Do you think the 49ers kicker said something slightly less problematic, like 10 minutes before Harrison Bucker got on stage? Yeah, that would be great. But yeah, that was a, I never thought Harrison Bucker debates would be how we spend an entire week.
Also just his name has butt in it. Yeah.
So that's fun. He's probably, that's probably what he's overcompensating for.
Yeah. Yeah.
Something there. I mean, the beard, the speech, the name, the kicker position.
He's, it feels like he's like, Hey, Harrison, it's okay, man. Not sure.
You're, we're sure you're strong. Like you're, it's okay.
You can be confident in yourself. Nothing says masculinity like, uh, like a kicker who met his wife in middle school band practice.
Harrison Bucker. It was funny though.
He, he did start to cry when he talked about meeting his wife in band. That's nice.
And then she converted for him, which was cool. Honestly, they probably have a very happy marriage.
Yeah. Happy for him.
Good for them. But yeah, you can let other people live their life how they want to live their life.
And again, it was a kicker. Yeah, kicker.
He's a really good kicker. It's Mike Vanderjakt all over again.
Yeah. We don't need to take advice from kickers no offense kickers but all offense to kick do you think you're going to have again back to the Swifties they're going to be tuning in they're rooting for the Chiefs they're probably going to hate this fucking guy but he actually quoted Taylor Swift earlier in the commencement speech which is if he did that that's on purpose that's a very funny troll to do a Taylor Swift quote and then follow up with all that.
They're going to be rooting for the Chiefs, but also rooting for this guy to miss field goals. Yeah, they might.
Actually, the Swifties might try to get the Chiefs disbanded. Yeah.
Yeah, if you're a Chiefs fan, if you're a Taylor Swift, a recently made Chiefs fan who started as a Swiftie, you have a lot of questions. And honestly.
A lot of looking in the the mirror because we do have a lot of Swifties that listen to the show we've all we've been pretty fair and balanced I think about talking about her uh really if Travis does not demand a trade from the Chiefs it tells you a lot about his personal values yep that he's willing to tolerate a teammate like that because terrible things happen when good people remain silent and so far I haven't heard anything from Travis Kelsey about this. I'm going to say this right now.
I officially will never sign with the Kansas City Chiefs as long as Harrison Bucker's on the team. Wow.
Yeah. Powerful.
I don't care what they offer me, what contract. I'm not doing it.
That's very powerful. I refuse.
That's very powerful. You got to stand up for it.
You got to stand up for something. I'm standing up for the women stand up for something i'm standing up for all the swifties you'll fall for anything yeah i actually people people say we're misogynistic i'm literally standing up you know what he's standing up do you see this do you see this hank describe what you're looking at right now i'm looking at a large man standing, holding his arms out like Jesus Christ.
Who else will stand up? I'll stand up with you, Big Cat. Let's go, PFT.
I'll stand up with you, Big Cat. We're standing up for the Swifties right now.
I'm pretty tired. Yeah, that's understandable.
Yeah, okay, that's fine. You don't have to stand up.
Do you see they put the Chiefs in Buffalo the same week that Taylor Swift is performing in Toronto? I did not see that. It's a two-hour drive away.
People are saying that was done on purpose that was done on purpose oh wow the saying they're setting up that might be a bridge too far if they did that on purpose if we're bending the schedule around taylor swift if that's actually something that's happening that might be too far for me yeah but they said it's coincidence we i we get accused of glazing a certain person a lot um but i'll say that we forgot to mention that his video was very funny as well did you guys see it yeah josh he went to the pit he went to the pit the pit lived in the pit the pit is great he had very good comedic timing the pit knows all where's the pit uh where they're building the new stadium oh yeah he he like they had a he had a tent in there and it was it was funny it's the bill's equivalent of the lighthouse except it's much much cooler and it's an actual pit's basically Woodstock. That's where they sacrifice someone before every game.
That's where people just, it's like a siren song that lures tailgaters from Bill's Mafia to just go down to the pit and check it out. Correct.
And then that one guy went down there and shit all over himself. Yeah.
I like that. Yeah.
Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got Randy Moss, and then we've got Pat Connaughton in studio.
Also, apologies for the birds in the first five minutes

of the Randy Moss interview.

I think he was just doing the interview with a bird,

but he wanted us to see Mystic Dan,

and you'll get to see Mystic Dan, including some extra.

A little bonus.

Yeah, but before we do that.

One other thing with the schedule release.

Did you see the hardcore porn that was on X last night? Yeah, oh yeah. In all it's like it it got turned i think it got turned up no i mean you couldn't you couldn't avoid it no i know i saw butthole yeah butthole was everywhere on twitter last night teams were just trying to announce their schedule you click on it you see the replies get the real takes down there and then there's just a butthole in your face yeah credit to roger goodell hank i'm on it okay it's been a while i mean there was butthole a lot of butthole if you see butthole you're gonna notice butthole that's just a fact hank you got that on the list okay there was a lot of butthole there was butthole are you expecting us not to not to see the butthole i saw it i just didn't that's just what twitter is now like i didn't think twice about there's nudes in profile i get that there's pussy in bio no i feel like in some of like when i go looking for like drake and kendrick stuff like the shit that's in there there's people getting pounded yeah like it's straight up pounded okay let's get to our interviews we got randy moss pat cononnaughton in person Before we get to Randy Moss Coors Light, we love Coors Light I could let bad sports news Ruin my day or choose a chiller mindset And then reach for a Coors Light I choose chill, I choose Coors Light The greatest beer ever created When you embrace a chill mindset It's a good time to choose chill and crack open a Coors Light Co Coors Light is mountain cold refreshment, crisp and refreshing as the Colorado Rockies.
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Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests in the entire world. It is Randy Moss.
It's the truth. It's Randy Moss talking about Preakness.
You know how you, to prove that you are one of our favorite guests, this, I was in full blown panic. I texted Randy on Tuesday to ask him what time works for him.
And it came back as green. And I was like, Oh no, he changed his phone.
I don't know what has happened. Uh, I got, I didn't hear from you for, I don't know, like 24 hours to the point that I was using my contacts to talk to your producers at NBC to make sure that you were okay.
You just lost your phone. That's all it was, right? I left my phone on the rental car bus at BWI airport.
Someone put it in their pocket and I tracked them all the way to Pleasanton, California. I've got their address.
I've got their name, but no luck. So I had to get a new phone.
That's why you couldn't reach me. Okay.
You want us to roll up on them? Yeah, we can roll up. Please do.
Okay. I'll send you their address when we get off the air here.
Okay. So you're joining us from, it looks like, the paddock right there behind where the horses are in Baltimore at theimore at the preakness um yes we have a lot of questions should we start with the secretariat stuff well yeah no we're just going to ask who you're i don't think we've ever asked you before who your goat is who's the goat in horse racing is it man of war or is it flight line well okay look it's impossible to say because comparing horses of different generations is so fraught with peril.
All I can do is just say, all right, of the horses that I've seen in my lifetime, right, not necessarily in person, but, you know, a secretary would be the goat, would definitely be the goat. And, you know, Flightline, Spectacular Bid, there was other horses that had a tremendous amount of ability, American Pharaoh, but Secretariat did so many things during his two-year career that he would be the goat.
Randy, is there a bird inside of your phone right now? Okay, right behind me is the hedge. That's where all the birds are.
All right, we should walk away from there because it sounds like it's inside of your phone. The yellow you see behind me right there is Mystic Dan Saddletown.
Mystic Dan, the derby winner, is right back in there. This is the Preakness Barn.
Yeah, walk away from the hedges. But we see, I know you did it for us because you wanted us to see Mystic Dan, but it sounds like a bird climbed into your phone.
Okay. Can we just say congratulations to Mystic Dan real quick? Oh, yeah.
Okay, there you go. Wait, hang on.
Say congratulations to Mystic Dan. All right.
He's a good boy. Give him a boop.
Oh. There you go.
There he is. There he is.
Hey, Mystic Dan. Oh, that's a butt crack.
Is that Mystic Dan? Mystic Dan's showing a lot of ass. I didn't know they had plumbers that worked at the Preakness.
That was a great five seconds of PMT history right there. There you go.
Mystic Dan. That was something that you'd seen.
He's a horse's ass. Yeah.
That's something you'd seen a reply to a schedule release on Twitter right there.

Yeah, that was great.

So, all right.

So, to Secretariat.

All right.

He did steroids.

Okay.

That's a firestorm of controversy here right now through Jason Kelsey, and then I weighed in as well.

There's no way to know for a fact, right?

Although, you know, look, steroids were rampant in thoroughbred racing. In the 1970s, I'm told.
In the 1980s, I know. In the 90s, I know.
In the 2000s, I know. All the way up until, let's say, Big Brown in 2008.
If you remember, huge controversy when Rick Dutrow, the trainer of Big Brown, after winning the Kentucky Derby in the Preakness, was just asked point blank by a reporter. This was right in the middle of the baseball controversies, right, with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds.
Does Big Brown, is he on steroids? And Rick Dutrow, being very honest, said yes. He's on anabolic steroids.
Pretty much all the horses are on anabolic steroids, right? Back then, trainers believed that the therapeutic benefits of anabolic steroids outweighed any of the negatives. And they didn't really view anabolic steroids as that much of a performance enhancer.
They viewed it as, you know, helping horses recover after races, recover after injuries, increasing their appetite, helping put on muscle mass and all that. So look, Secretariat was running at a time where I'm told anabolic steroid use was rampant in thoroughbred racing.
When Secretariat was retired, he had some immature sperm that was a concern to breeders. That happens to be a side effect of anabolic steroid use.
Does that mean he was definitely on steroids? No. When he died, they autopsied him.
He had an enlarged heart, which again is a side effect, one of the side effects of anabolic steroids. So, you know, there is a, I think, a pretty strong possibility that Secretariat was racing on anabolic steroids.
But here's the deal. So were the other horses he was running against right if secretariat was on anabolic steroids you know sham was it wasn't just lucian laura and the trainer of secretary that had access to this stuff he you know he won the triple crown he set track records in all three races that still stand okay and they held up through the 70 the seventies, through the eighties, through the nineties, through the two thousands when anabolic steroid use was rampant.
So it doesn't really, you know, might he have run a little faster with anabolic steroids? Yes. Does it taint his legacy in any way to me? No, because he was an incredibly dominant racehorse against all competition uh one of the most incredibly dominant racehorses in the history of the game at a time when pretty much all the horses were running on that stuff yeah it's like barry bonds yeah records will still stand he was he was going up against uh some shady competition at the time but he was far and away the best baseball player that i've ever seen and so nothing should change that i did make my four-year-old son chris change his wallpaper on his iphone he had to take down secretariat i think i'm going to allow him to put it back up we can forgive secretary if that's what he did because everybody else was doing at the same time and in my eyes it does not taint that accomplishment so thank you

thank you for explaining that to us that was a very fair response i think it's a very very fair response yeah because i was you know i was ready to go it's um it's almost sacrilegious right people think to say anything that could be construed as negative about secretariat but it's just you know you have to be honest about this stuff yeah yeah uh the birds are back do you want to walk closer to the parking lot.

Words are bad.

Go to the parking lot.

All right, so. have to be honest about this stuff yeah yeah uh the birds are back do you want to walk closer to the parking lot birds are back go go to the parking lot all right so all right let's talk let's talk about this race let's talk about mystic dan that was uh an incredible kentucky derby very very thrilling uh i you i'm an idiot i my name is dan and i should have bet mystic dan you told us that if there was one horse that would surprise everyone it was Mystic Dan I do believe that if I bet Mystic Dan he would have probably finished last but how are we feeling about Mystic Dan now going to the Preakness everyone wants to see a Triple Crown winner Muth the favorite Bob Baffert's horse is out fever.
So what's the story with Mystic Dan? Is this horse legit have a chance at winning the Triple Crown and is it quickly like a hey, he won it as an 18-1 but this is a real good horse? Okay, look. He got what we call in horse racing a perfect trip in the Kentucky Derby.
He was sitting on the rail all the way around. He got through on the inside at the top of the stretch.
He ran a shorter distance than the competition, but he also had the acceleration, had the guts to go through a tight hole when the time came. A lot of horses get perfect trips and they sit along the rail and then a hole opens up and they're not fast enough to get through the hole.
Mystic Dan had that quick acceleration to shoot through that opening at the top of the stretch that Brian Hernandez steered him through and open up a lead and just barely hang on. Was he a better horse than Sierra Leone or Forever Young? Probably not.
Almost certainly not. Because they covered a lot more ground.
And there was also a lot of bumping through the stretch that we can talk about if you want. Because the Churchill Allen stewards totally dropped the ball on that.
Yeah. So, okay.
You know, for those reasons. And plus now he's got to come back in two weeks, which trainer Ken McPeak was not too enthusiastic about doing, I think he's a bet against.
He's going to be a shorter price than he should be because he won the Kentucky Derby. He got a perfect trip, which he's probably not going to get Saturday.
He's coming back in two weeks. You know, for all those reasons, would I be shocked to see him win? No, but from a betting standpoint, I think he's a bet against.
He ran the perfect race. It's unlikely that he'll have a perfect race that unfolds in front of him again.
That makes total sense to me. So what about the bumping down the stretch that you talked about? What happened there? Okay.
We all knew, and we talked about this on the telecast several times. Sierra Leone, the horse that finished second in the derby, has a longstanding habit of veering to his left as he comes down the stretch, right? As you're watching the race, it would be to your right, to his left, as he's coming down the wire.
He's done that in almost all his races. Tyler Gaffleone knows it.
Chad Brown, the trainer, knew it.

And at the top of the stretch, he pulled up next to the Japanese horse Forever Young, and he pretty much mugged Forever Young the entire length of the stretch. And then as they hit the wire in a three-horse photo finish, the jockey of Sierra Leone, Tyler Gaff-Leone, appeared to temporarily lose his balance with all the bumping and reached out and put his hand on the Japanese horse as the horses got to the wire.
What happened in the run through the stretch with Sierra Leone, you know, repeatedly bumping and mugging forever young? Look, that's an elementary school disqualification.

When you reach out and you put your hand on another horse, that's an elementary school

disqualification.

When all this happens, do you put up the empery sign?

That's an elementary school decision.

The stewards didn't at Churchill Downs.

They blew it badly on all three counts.

And all I can say is that Churchill Downs, and it's 150th celebration.

Thank you. They blew it badly on all three counts.
And all I can say is that Churchill Downs and its 150th celebration is incredibly lucky that Sierra Leone didn't win that race by a nose. Because it would have been one of the biggest controversies in the history of the Kentucky Derby that the stewards left the number up and didn't disqualify it.
So what's the process? They got lucky. What's the process for that? Is there any accountability? Have people asked them about it? Like, why didn't you at least take another look at it? You know, there could be accountability with the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission if there was a challenge by the connections of the Japanese horse, okay? Which is unlikely to happen.
I think it's a cultural thing. They feel like they're guests in this country.
After the running of the race, the jockey of Forever Young, a Sakai, who speaks no English, had a conversation with the other Japanese jockey in the race on T.O. Password, who finished fifth, who does speak some English as they were walking back to the jocks room about claiming foul.

And at that point, I mean, it's, you know, the Japanese writer was told it's pretty much too late.

So it was a language barrier as much as anything as to why there wasn't a foul claim.

But there didn't need to be a foul claim.

The stewards can put the inquiry sign up, can see what's going on.

And it was such a no-brainer decision, and they just blew it.

Wow.

Completely blew it.

Yeah.

Okay, well, hopefully we don't have something similar.

There was 75 – I'm sorry to interrupt you.

There was $75 million wagered on exactas, trifectas, and superfectas

in the Kentucky Derby in which the second and third place order of finish was paramount. Yeah.
It was a $500,000 difference, I believe, in purse money between the second and the third place finishers. So it was an expensive gaffe.
Maybe everyone just boxed it and that's why there weren't people upset. Yeah.
And that could be the reason. It seems like the Japanese trainers are being too polite.
There's a lot of gamblers in America that aren't known for being super polite about that sort of thing. Maybe class action lawsuit against the Kentucky Derby.
Well, I mean, look, they're very, very extremely lucky. I don't know if it's just 150th anniversary karma or whatever.
You know, this is a mini controversy because it doesn't involve the winner, Mystic Dan. You haven't read much about this in the media or anything like that.
But trust me, if it was Sierra Leone that had crossed the wire two or three inches further ahead and won the race in a photo, it would be absolute chaos right now with the controversy. So we talked about the photo finish and how electric the photo finish is.
And we're like, what did they do before there was a photo finish? Big Cat brought up a good point, which is that he thinks that probably the photo finish was invented for horse racing. The photograph started just for sports racing or for horse racing for gamblers.
So before there was a photo finish, was there just one guy up in a stand with binoculars? And whatever he said, that would be the winner? Three three guys uh placing judges is what they're known as and they still exist in thoroughbred racing uh for uh for other purposes generally but if in the event that the photo finish camera malfunctions in some way then it's the placing judges that will determine between the three of them what the correct order of finish was or should have been. Wow, that's cool.
Fast eyes. Okay, so let's talk about the preakness.
So you said bet against Mystic Dan. Who's the bet on? And I had a question about one of the horses, Uncle Heavy, because Irad Ortiz got on him and it's like, I'm kind of doing the Brian Wynn horse.
Like, why is Irad getting on a 20-to-1 horse? Is there something to be said there? So break it down for us. All right.
So we've established that at least I think that Mystic Dan is going to be overbet, and so therefore, and for all the other reasons that he's a bet against, okay? It's very evenly matched between Mystic Dan, Imagination, who's the other Bob Baffert remaining horse. Muth got sick.
He would have been the favorite in the race, and so he's not going to run. But Baffert still has Imagination, who'll probably set the pace.
Catching Freedom ran fourth in the Kentucky Derby, but he also had a rail trip. He also had a very good inside trip.
To me, the bet in the Preakness is a horse called Tuscan Gold, trained by Chad Brown. Right now, I believe he's 8-1 in the program line.
I think that's a little too generous. I don't think he's going to be 8-1.
But he ran a really good third in the Louisiana Derby. And there's kind of a pattern here with trainer Chad Brown, right? He had Sierra Leone.
He had domestic product in the Kentucky Derby. Chad has hit upon a little system now over the last decade or so, where he takes horses that skip the Kentucky Derby and he points instead for the Preakness.
Cloud computing followed that formula, won the Preakness. Early voting followed that formula, won the Preakness.
Last year, Blazing Sevens, who looked like there was no way he was good enough to win the Preakness, finished a really good, really strong second, barely beaten by national treasure. So now Chad has this horse, Tuscan Gold gold who was third in the louisiana derby and

immediately after that race he said this is my preakness horse this is the horse i'm pointing for for this year's preakness and on numbers he's just as good uh as mystic dan in my opinion he's just as good as catching freedom and imagination and he should be a higher price so i think that To me, that's the best.

Yeah.

What about Uncle Heavy, though?

I read on that.

Uncle Heavy is... freedom and imagination and he should be a higher price so i think that to me that's the best yeah right and what about what about uncle heavy though i read on that is that heavy is he deserves to be about 20 to one okay right i mean i read ortiz is on him because it's really the only option he had okay to ride in the preakness and if you have a chance to you know it's a horse race i know anything can happen i read you know arguably he's definitely one of the best two or three jockeys in America.
So, I mean, why not take a shot? He probably doesn't think he's got much of a chance to win, but at least he's in there. Okay.
And I feel like we ask you this every time, but what's a long shot that we could have finishing second or third if we want to get spicy with it, with a trifecta or something? Just steal, I think would probably be the spiciest long shot in there and look he he ran terribly in the kentucky derby but leaving the starting gate he got bounced around a lot at the start his young jockey keith asmussen uh stepped on the gas coming down the stretch the first time and the horse rushed up and was involved in a uh a fairly swift early pace and then completely backed out. Wayne Lucas, the trainer, didn't like the ride.
Changing jockeys to Joel Rosario. He'll get a little bit more of a patient ride.
And if he runs the same way he did in his race before that, which was second to Muth in the Arkansas Derby, then he would have a chance to hit the board at a pretty good price. Okay.
And now the Black Eyed Susan on Friday, which everyone should watch. Randy will be on the call.
I mean, you nailed the Oaks. Yeah.
We should have started with that. You gave us some bullets for the Derby.
You absolutely nailed the Oaks. You also did tell us Mystic, Dan.
So you won all the AWL's money. No pressure but uh Black Eyed Susan and maybe any other races that you like uh that you've been circling all right Black Eyed Susan I like a Philly named Gun Song uh she's not one of the top two favorites or so there is a little bit of a question about the mile and an eighth distance with her uh and a little bit of a question in the trader, Mark Hennig does about the mile and an eighth for her.
But if she runs one of her best races, she's the best horse in the field. Okay.
And I think she, she could be four to one, nine to two. So that's not a bad return on a Philly like gun song.
And then on that's Friday, obviously in the Black Eyed Susan. And then on – hang on a second.
I dropped my paper. Then on Saturday – there we go.
In the 11th race, it's a race called the Jim McKay Turf Sprint, five-eighths of a mile on the grass. There is a horse, the number eight horse in the race, and he's called Boats A-Rockin'.
Okay. And right now he's six to one on the program line i don't expect to get six to one again maybe nine to two four to one but to me uh on paper he looks like the best horse in the race and if it rains like it's supposed to rain during the day uh you know saturday morning and uh and some of the afternoon he's proven that he can handle a turf course that has a little bit of moisture in it.
So there you go. Wait, if it rains, that's in favor of Mystic Dan, right? Because this is his best.
If it's a muddy track, you're right, Big Cat. It would be a little bit of an advantage to Mystic Dan just because he has proven that he can handle it, but I still would be betting against him.
Yeah, and it would be if Mystic Dan somehow does pull this off, then we get a couple weeks of everyone saying this is an asterisk because the Belmont's going to be a shorter distance, which I don't know if that's good or bad for horse racing. I don't know.
I think any think any triple crown obviously any triple crown bid is good for horse racing but uh it will be interesting if it happens yeah and it's a legitimate asterisk and it and uh they didn't have to do it yeah uh they're running obviously they're running the belmont stakes this year at saratoga okay uh the belmont park oval is the largest in america largest dirt oval in america it's a mile and a half a mile and a half around so it's very easy to run the belmont stakes at the mile and a half distance at saratoga the oval is only a mile and an eight around so if they ran the belmont at a mile and a half at saratoga they would have to start it midway around the turn. They would have to start the race on a turn, which is not ideal.
And that's the reason why instead they're starting the race at the top of the stretch and they're making it a mile and a quarter. But when Belmont Park was last under reconstruction in the 1960s, the Belmont Stakes was run at Aqueduct, which, like Saratoga, it's the same circumference, mile in an eighth.

They started the Belmont Stakes on the turn in those years to keep it at the mile and a half distance, and there were no problems. So, look, I think Belmont Park, New York Racing Association, has been using the excuse of tradition as a reason not to change the spacing of the triple crown races which is causing problems for the continuity of the series and now here they are completely turning tradition upside down and running the belmont stakes at a mile and a quarter instead of a mile and a half when they don't have to yeah it's interesting and interesting and I think it's wrong.
At a different track, it's not the same. It's a different race.
They're just putting the branding for the Belmont on it. Right.
I mean, it's still the Belmont stakes, but it is at a different track by necessity. The distance to me is the big problem there.
And I think it deserves to have an asterisk. Yeah.
All right. Randy, this is why we like you.
You tell it like it is. Yeah.
Don't sugarcoat it. Give us the honest truth.
America's horse analyst. Yeah.
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It's a mistake by us. It's too long to go a whole year without Randy Moss.
So we will make sure that we do that this year. My last question, though, is can we see Mystic Dan's ass again? Let's try.
Let's see what we got here. Now, you might get some birds chirping.
That's okay. Bring the bird back.
I would like to see this guy's ass again. I could probably do better than showing you Mystic Dan's ass, although he's in the back of the stall right now.
Let me see here. Let me get under here.
All right, I'm going to turn this iPad around. Okay.
So you can get a nice shot. You're walking around with an iPad? Yeah, yeah.
I am. Well, he lost his phone.
Yeah, that's true. So there's the saddle tail, right? See that? Good.
Mystic Dan. Oh, there he is.
Yeah. Yeah.
There you see his ass right there. Oh, yeah.
There's his ass. Only one ass this time.
Yeah. We had Mystic Dan's ass on.
There we go. All right.
Well, go get him, Mystic Dan. Congratulations, Mystic Dan.
I hope it rains for you. I feel like somebody planted that bird right outside his area there, so he's not going to get a good night's sleep.
It's like pulling a fire alarm the night before a playoff game. Yeah.
Yeah. Chad Brown brought those birds in and put them right outside of Mystic Dan's stall.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Well, Randy, thanks so much.
Everyone tune in. See Randy on the telecast.
And yeah, we love having you on and we'll do it in the football season. Don't lose your phone anymore.
All right. I got actually worried.
All right. I was actually worried.
So don't lose your phone. Well, thanks for your perseverance.
Always love talking to you guys. So have a good weekend.
All right. See you, Randy.
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And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest.
It is NBA champion Pat Connaughton. Does that ever get old, by the way, saying NBA? Because you have to be introduced as NBA champion.
I know we had you on last time was right after you won. So it's been a couple years.
Does it get old? No. I mean, a couple years come and gets old.
But the NBA champion title never gets old. Yeah, you guys haven't been out of the first round since.
Yeah. Well, we get to the second round after.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. The last two years, we haven't gotten out of the first.
But we're planning on fixing that sooner rather than later. Yeah.
Speaking of the championship, I think this is probably a good place to start because I just saw a very funny interview with Jeff Teague. And he was talking about the aftermath of winning the championship and how he was like, let's fucking go.
Let's party. Let's go to Vegas.
Gas up the jet. And then Giannis was like, I think I'm just going to go home to my family.
Yeah. And then everybody else was like I guess I guess we're just gonna go home too yeah and that was kind of the end of the party he's gonna pay for it well because you can't you can't go to Vegas as the Bucks winning a ring and everyone's just gonna be like where's Giannis yeah oh everyone wants to know where Giannis is a lot of the time uh but I mean Jeff he I think he lived it up but we we did get to go to Greece so we did go to Greece with Giannis at the end of the summer the thing that was interesting about that year was the championship was like July 21st so it wasn't your typical the next season was starting on time so I think part of the reason it wasn't as climactic as Jeff wanted it to be was we only had like 6 weeks before we were back in the swing of things so guys wanted to spend some time with their family and then we went over to Greece and celebrated a little bit over there as a team that's so you win the championship and then you party for what like 24 hours 12 hours and then you're like okay that's gotta get my shots yeah well the parade wasn't for like 36 hours so I would say we at least got a solid 36 hours that's good yeah and we should have we should have mentioned you uh you have the new dad glow you you congratulations 10 days old as the time of this taping um are you scared are you ready yeah no i have a moment already where the kid comes home and you're like wait no one gave me a manual for this yeah i did scary moment yeah that's the scariest part the drive home yeah i'd say the drive home is a scary part but uh i'm excited and i think you know it's one of those things uh the shock to me over the last 10 days has been when you wake up in the morning and you're like oh he's he's still here yeah you know like I have a bunch of little cousins and stuff so I've been around babies my whole life uh I have a lot of fun with it but I always give them back yeah and now he's not going anywhere, which has been, you know,

that surreal experience and that realization.

And he's been a blessing and it's been something that, you know,

Ryan and myself, we've enjoyed and she's done a great job.

So it's got to be – it's a little different than me having kids where I'm like,

I hope these kids are – I hope they're smart because they're not going to be good athletes.

Your fiancé is a professional athlete as well.

So are you like, this is – he's going to be so sick at every sport?

Yeah, well,

so are you like he's going to be so sick at every sport?

Yeah, well, I mean, when he was literally born,

I put a toy basketball, a toy baseball, a toy soccer ball,

a toy football in his little bassinet thing.

And she looks at him and she goes, well, no pressure on the kid.

And I said, no, no, no.

I'm telling him he can choose whatever sport he wants.

Golf, you know, we can throw a golf club in there. Whatever it wants to be as long as it's a professional athlete probably will be yeah yeah no pressure though yeah exactly no i think you know uh it it's been uh someone had a great comment for it yesterday it'll come to me but it was basically like you know we we collected our genes and we just said here let's create this yeah baby that has a chance to continue the things that we've done in our lives.

You need to get Notre Dame to offer a scholarship right now.

Yeah.

That's always the school being like, we're ready to offer this 10-day-old.

Yeah.

I will say, he's already gotten a Wisconsin scholarship.

He has.

Yeah.

Let's go.

We're bad at in-state recruiting right now, so we need that.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know.

One of the Wisconsin mentors of mine has already said he has a full ride.

He will be our starting quarterback in 2020, 2044.

Okay.

Perfect.

Yeah.

Quarterback.

That's, I mean, let's keep him away from Marquette in terms of basketball.

Yes.

I mean, look, I'll get him an NIL deal.

You want to sign him up right now?

Yeah.

I mean, has their, does he drink coffee?

Not yet.

Not yet.

He drinks, he drinks a lot of milk. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
We'll get to deal with the milk. He's got milk still around? Yeah.
They used to have that. We'll do that.
I would imagine that having a newborn, you're doing a lot of Googling. Is this normal? What do I do when this happens? 100%.
Google is helping you raise your child. Yeah, he's gotten hiccups a lot.
Google tells you the hiccups are a good thing. And I refuse to believe they're a good thing because he doesn't look comfortable every time he gets the hiccups right after he eats yeah uh here's here's a tip that i learned about when my son was like around the same age 10 days whatever two weeks don't drain the baby in what way uh he started i was feeding him once when he was like two weeks old and he started puking and i held him upside down and what are you doing i was like i don't know yeah i didn't want him to like choke on it right it's just like that's not what you do over the sink and just shake him there's like a video there's like a nanny camera of me like literally holding him upside down being like oh shit yeah trying to drain the baby i have he has started to you know get the hiccups and spit up after right after he feeds and i've done like the football hold with his head facing the ground yeah like just get it out of you real quick and i've gotten yelled at for you too like no you hold it straight up and you have them burp into the burp cloth right i'm like well yeah that makes sense now you say it out loud but at the time i wasn't thinking our instincts are to treat it like like uh your buddy in college who's had too many tequila Throw him over a chair and throw him down on the chair.
Oh, hold your hair, bro. Yeah.
About this. Exactly, exactly.
But we do have him in some Legends onesies. Oh, nice.
Nice. Nice.
Stylish baby. Yeah.
What? Yeah, Legends onesies. Yeah, I'm going to need some more.
He spit up on a few of them, but he's already been in a few. He likes to get – he seems to sleep better in those onesies.
So the Scotty Scheffler question, if you were playing in the NBA Finals and your baby was due, would you miss a game? Yeah, what was your plan? Well, I will say – You guys did lose in the first round, though. Yeah, thanks.
I appreciate that. Are you a Bucs fan? No, I hate the Bucs.
Oh, all right. I have a very mean joke that I'm not going to say.
I just want to say for the record that I'm not saying. Tell to me.
Pretend I was playing in the playoffs. I was going to say when you knew that

you were going to have a baby around the NBA

playoffs and you hired Doc Rivers, you were like, yes.

Yeah.

But I didn't say it. He didn't say it.

He didn't say it.

I love Doc, so I'm a Doc

guy, but I was also

any coach guy. Anyone that's coaching me

I've been pretty good with.

Yeah, but would you have left the game in the NBA finals for... Well, it would have been easier for me because there's seven of them.
There's seven games. Like Scotty Scheffler, there's only one Sunday at the Masters.
You know what I mean? So, yeah, I've been told I can't miss the birth of my first child. Yeah.
By the way, that's a very smart answer. It's a hypothetical, so it's not happening.
So, yes, I definitely would allow it.

Yeah, well, it's not happening, at least with this child.

Hopefully it'll happen in the future.

Then it would mean we were out of the first round.

Yeah, that's true.

You can.

I kind of wish I missed the birth of my first child because I was sitting in the hospital all day,

and I just started betting WNBA games, and I went like 0 for 4.

So he actually cost me money the day he was born.

He's still costing you money, doesn't he?

Yeah, right, exactly. But he cost you money before he was actually in Earth.
Yeah, before he was actually on Earth, actually cost me money the day he was born he's still costing you money yeah right but he cost you money before he was actually before he was actually on earth yeah he cost me money uh all right so obviously the season didn't go as planned yeah uh how how was this year for you because this was i feel like the first year where you were heavy in the trade rumors was it weird having to deal with that being like i don't know what's going to happen like the deadline comes and people are like my name's getting floated around like how much how much does that affect playing on the court uh you know it didn't really affect it for me you know I think for me I kind of understand how the business works I understand um you know from a GM's point of view we only have so many guys that are tradable right like only whether it's contract-based or trad guys in general um and i think you know as a gm's trying to make the team better for a playoff push he's only got so many pieces to the puzzle that he can move and yeah so being a part of those are kind of inevitable um and i kind of knew that when i signed this extension like once you get to a certain contract range um i think you become a potential tradable asset um depending how you're playing depending how the team's doing etc uh and i know ending in the first or losing in the first round last year to the heat um was going to spark some some trade rumors regardless of you know what kind of happened and transpired this year uh but being like a positive guy an optimist i try to look at it the other way it means some other teams True. Other teams want me to play for him.
That's a good point. And the running joke that I make now is, you know, you talk about Coach Pop.
He's got a tree of coaches. You know, Coach Bud's got a tree of coaches now.
You know, Pat's got a network of coaches now that all the guys that are getting head jobs, Charles Lee, congratulations to him. He was an assistant with us.
Bud's back on the table. Taylor Jenkins was an assistant with us.
We got a bunch of assistant coaches that have moved on to be head assistants in different places. So I'm hoping to have a job in the NBA.
Yeah, that's actually a really good spin zone where it's like all these guys who saw you win a title in five years can be like, but remember Pat? He's a good piece. Yeah, we can definitely work with him.
Yeah, he's a great locker room guy yeah great at you know making sure the culture of our team continues to rise with some of these young guys we're trying to build around you know i can spin it with the best of them yeah no i think that's actually a real less realistic way to look at the nba yeah a lot of people they obviously you want to be secure in your job you want to like lay down roots and you want to just be one place for as long as possible but reality is in sports, chances are you're probably going to have to move teams at some point.

So the earlier you start to understand that and accept it and embrace the possibility,

I think that's healthier for you mentally if it does happen.

It might not happen.

You might stay in Milwaukee for a while, and that'd be great.

Yeah, but you've got to plan for it.

And, like, you've got to know it's possible, just like you said.

If you accept the possibility of it, you're going to live a healthier lifestyle, in my opinion, in the NBA. You're not about it you're not gonna be stressed about it you're gonna understand look it's basketball whether I got a Bucs uniform on whether I got another team's uniform on I'm still playing the same game now I would like to play for the Bucs for as long as I can it's fun playing alongside Giannis it's fun playing alongside Dame Chris Bobby you know the whole group that we have Pat Bev do you subscribe to the podcast uh I subscribe to the pod, yeah.
Does everybody on the team subscribe? I think when he first got there, he just took everyone's phone and subscribed for everybody just to make sure we had 100% subscriber ratio in the locker room. He did say when he showed up to the Bucs, it got a little confusing when Doc would be like Pat and he would have to say, like, are you talking about Black Pat or White Pat? Yeah, he did say that.
And so Doc started calling me Eminem. That's perfect.
Yeah. No, it was – Pat, you know, he was great to me while I was there.
You know what I mean? He's one of those guys, I think, when he's on your team, you enjoy having him and you put up with some of the antics that I think help gets him going. And he thinks, you know, more oftentimes than not, helps get the team going.
Unfortunately, you know, it didn't work out this year. But, you know, I have nothing bad to say about Pat Beverly.
Were you one of the guys who was like, hey, Pat, stop throwing this ball into the stands? No. Actually, if you look at me in the video, I'm looking to see what's happening, and right as I turn my head, I think towards him, the ball goes over my head, so I missed the whole thing.
It's literally just perfect timing. As I look up and I start to look this way, the ball goes that way, and I never saw it.
Was there ever even a ball? We don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, listen, we love Pat Bev.
He shouldn't have done that. But, again, the guy was wearing a jersey with no T-shirt underneath, which if you do that, you're expecting to get in the game.
Yeah. Like, you want to get in.
You're hoping you show up to the stadium that night being like, if a couple guys get injured, Coach might just call my number. Yeah, I think he was hoping Rick Carlisle was going to look down the bench.
I think it was a Tyrese Halliburton jersey from the video I saw and thought, hey, Tyrese get into the game, but not you, Tyrese. We want this guy.
He's a little stronger. Yeah, wearing the jeans.
Yeah, exactly. He's a little stronger, and he might be able to play some post- defense a little bit better.
He's got to box somebody out. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, just face guard him. So we're running this – we're going to run this Friday.
So there will be – I think the Celtics will probably finish their business with the Cavs between then and now. But we have a couple other series.
So in terms of, like, the teams you've played – or the teams that are still left and playing them this year, who do who do you think is like the best full team right now left in the playoffs uh look I grew up seven miles outside the city of Boston uh as much as it now I was a Celtics fan as a kid growing up Paul Pierce Kevin Garnett the whole thing um I've gotten to a place now where or I enjoy beating the Celtics but I do think unbiasedly they have the best team left

at least in the East. When you talk about the West, I think the Denver-Minnesota series has been incredible.
Obviously, everyone knows no home team has won yet, but for Denver to go down 2-0 at home and come back and win two in Minnesota speaks a lot to the championship that they won last year and the culture that they have over there. But it also speaks a lot to what Minnesota has been able to do when everyone kind of wrote them off a year or two ago when they made the trade for Rudy.
Because they're doing great things and they're showing that they have a future with the group that they have. And obviously Ant-Man's doing a tremendous job and he's fun to watch.
And I think he's's got a great way about him I think he's got a great confidence to him that doesn't come off his arrogance and he just kind of speaks with his mind but it's in a funny and jovial way which I think's really fun to watch and really fun to root for. Can you feel when you're on the court with Anthony Edwards that he's got more dog than everyone else? Yeah I think you can I think the thing about him is he's got this competitiveness to him that I think a lot of NBA guys have but he's able to do it in a way where he's still having fun so it's almost like a slap in your face like you're still having fun and you're you're beating me or you're doing all these things that you're doing uh you're not just like fully locked in He is locked in, but it doesn't look like he's always just fully locked in.
He's smiling, he's having fun, he's talking his trash, and it gets him going. And I think at 22 years of age, wild.
Yeah. Do you think you're ever going to compete in the slam dunk contest again? I don't know.
We'll see. We'll see.
I got to get my bounce back to a place where it needs to be. When you jump, heck, as long as I've jumped and you're 31 years old, there's some underlying injuries that come along with that that I got to get back to a healthy place.
And now that I have, unfortunately, a longer offseason, I'm hoping to do that. So what are your prime ages in terms of jumping? I got to say 18 to 28.
Okay. So 30 is what will Hank, he's not here right now.
We'll have him show you his progress. He's doing some jumping exercises? He's trying to dunk.
We made a bet with him. He's 30.
I think it's like a 10 grand bet. He's got to dunk by the end of the year.
He's got no chance. So where did he start? Nowhere.
Below the rim, and he's

still below the rim. But could he touch the net?

Yeah, yeah. He could touch the net.
He could touch the

backboard. Yeah.
He can.

He kind of, yeah, he could touch the backboard. He can.

Backboard on a high school rim, backboard on an NBA rim?

Two different types of backwards. Wait.

Backboards. It's different? Yeah, you never see where

the backboard comes down on a high school rim.

It comes down lower than on an NBA rim. Oh, so maybe

he's touching Mickey Mouse backwards. Yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, if the backboard came down that low on an NBA rim, guys would get knocked out during the game. Yeah, that's a good point.
Anthony Edwards still does sometimes. Yeah, exactly.
Blake Griffin and Anthony Edwards, they still do that. When he touches rim, how far away is he from that point? Because he hasn't touched rim yet.
So you've got to get, like, can he palm a basketball? No, probably not. If you can't palm it, you've probably got to get to here palm it you probably gotta get to here if you can palm it tell him to come down here yeah max text hank we gotta get him he said that his strategy is going to be to do like an alley-oop that way the ball isn't weighing him down when he's jumping that that's a good strategy but he needs who's throwing the pass that's a good question because well if you're throwing the pass and you're incentivized to not throw a good pass.
Yeah, exactly. Oh, shit.
My bad. So he started out, like, I'd say nine inches away from the rim.
Now he's down to maybe six, so maybe five. He's made some progress.
Okay, that's good. He's still not at the rim yet.
Yeah, I mean, if you're not at the rim. So it's going to go like this.
Being a guy who was, like, hell-bent on dunking since I was in sixth grade, and I was a short, chubby kid in sixth grade. Like if we had a photo of it, I wouldn't show you because of how short and chubby I was in sixth grade.
But I was fortunate to grow vertically instead of horizontally, seventh and eighth grade. And it is a process.
Like you grab the net, great, you love it. Slap the backboard on all your layups, great, love it.
You can grab the rim, not just touch it, but grab it, great. grab it great dunk a tennis ball dunk a volleyball and then you try to be able to dunk a basketball how long did that process play out for when you went from touching it took me two years rim to the took me two years when did you first dunk oh from touching the rim yeah it took me a year yeah first dunked in eighth grade eighth grade end of eighth grade pat said have to be like, the rim has to be like here on your hand.
That's a problem. Well, can you palm a basketball? Kind of.
Then it could be. I can palm a basketball like standing still, but once I start moving, I couldn't palm it and run.
And your tactic is the alley-oop. Tactic is going to be alley-oop, yeah.
Maybe like the throw it up. You need somebody to throw it right above the rim.
Literally, you just drop it in. Yeah, I was thinking throw it up to myself where you throw it super high and then just kind of guide it down.
Yeah. That's going to be tough.
Wait, so you're going to throw it up in the air and then as it's still in the air, you're going to run up to the hoop and then jump up and then dunk it in yourself? I'm hoping he's going to let it bounce. bad job oh no you can't palm a basketball are you a lefty depends on the ball yeah yeah oh wow i just like to say i used to i hope my son's a lefty my son my first son's left so i've thought about that can you train your son to be a lefty like if you just don't let them use their right hand ever uh so i've actually heard a story of of that happening

so like my dad is a lefty but growing up he was one of eight when they would go out to play baseball they didn't have a right fielder so they made him bat righty um and he thinks he would have been better if they just let him bat lefty that'd be natural so he can bat right he plays golf right he does everything so i think it's possible but i don't know if you're able to reach your full potential if you, like, force it upon somebody.

Yeah, it's funny because it happens very naturally where it's like all of a sudden he's just holding shit with his left hand.

You're like, oh, shit.

And then, like, we're playing t-ball now.

In the first practice, they tried to have him hit right.

He couldn't do anything.

I was like, flip him around.

And then he started hitting it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is wild.

It's wild that, like, the human body has a way they want to do things right at that age right yeah yeah uh go ahead hank i'd just like to say pat i'm i'm happy your career panned out i grew up uh in massachusetts around the same time and you were where'd you grow up what was uh situate i forget what the name of the magazine we played situate yes but rise it was like the free one that would be in the library, and you would be on the cover every single season. Baseball, basketball, baseball, basketball, baseball, basketball.
I remember that. I feel like my whole high school career.
The reason I remember that is they made me do a photo shoot, and you know Massachusetts. It was right before basketball season.
It's Thanksgiving outside, and they wanted to do that baseball, basketball theme, and I was on the baseball field with a basketball jersey on and a baseball pants, and it was freezing. I was like, we couldn't have just staged this? There wasn't like a backdrop, a green screen back then that we could have done something on? That's such a funny photo shoot.
It's like this guy plays a lot of sports. Let's have him wear all of his jerseys.
At once. Oh, you don't believe that he plays all these sports? Look right here.
He's got them all on. I can just imagine Hank going home to his parents

and they've got these magazines out and they're like,

why can't you be more like that Pat Connors?

No, it was in the library.

It's like you'd go to the library

and then you obviously weren't trying to do any worse.

You'd just pick up ESPN Rise.

It was like, this kid's going to be the greatest player of all time.

He's going to cover every single fucking –

because they would do like one a season or whatever.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember I used to get heckled with it.

I used to walk into gyms, high school gyms, for a game my senior year

and they'd all have the magazine. And in the magazine it would say, like, things you you like.
So like, I don't know if you remember Puppa Geno's. Puppa Geno's like was my spot.
It's a chain back home. Tuesdays? Yeah, Buffalo Chicken Fingers or whatever it had and so they'd all make fun of me for like my interests.
Like, Run This Town was my favorite song at the time. So they'd play it.
They'd play it before and like give me, me – yeah, they did some good stuff. There was some cleverness.
Did you ever – I know you played baseball at Notre Dame as well. Was it, like, has there ever been a moment where you're like, I would like to try, you know, go to maybe spring training or something? Or has that moment passed? I did it.
Yeah, so you did went to – I got drafted out of high school but went to school. Right.
And it was like, I want to play both. And then I got drafted after my junior year at Notre Dame in the fourth round and went over that summer to play pro baseball for the Aberdeen Ironbirds in the Orioles farm system.
The summer before I played in the Cape. But I did it for that whole summer and then went back to school.
Part of the deal was, you know, it's kind of why, you know, fourth round's great, but I kind of dropped because I told everybody before the draft, hey, I want to go back to school. Like, I want to finish my basketball career, and I only had half a semester left to graduate.
Right. And so they let me go back, and their exact quote was, well, yeah, you won't get drafted in basketball, so go ahead.
Go back, and we'll see you at spring training, like, the next year. And great thanks so much and then i ended up getting drafted yeah i haven't gone back yet wait so did you how did you do when you were in the good good yeah i pitched i started i was starting pitcher um i was in short season a which i think they did away with now i think it's just low a and high a um and i think i started five or six games that summer before i ended up having to go back because they make you go to extended spring training first, so it doesn't start until July.
My ERA was right around two. Oh, shit.
So it was good. I mean, have you thought maybe when you retire from basketball, that would be a cool story.
Yeah, I mean, look. Try it again.
If the PAT coaching network doesn't come through and I don't get a few more jobs, then I've thought about going back potentially. That would be badass.
As a pitcher, I feel like it gives me the best chance, right? I've got to get my arm a little bit more back in shape, but from an athleticism standpoint, no disrespect to the pitchers, but I like to think I'm probably a little more athletic than most of the pitchers out there having played in the NBA. Yeah, wait, so what was your fastball? 98.
Yeah, maybe Adam Silver says, hey, why don't you take a couple years off? We're going to just say that you're retired. Go play minor league baseball.
And then come back? I appreciate that. I think we should compare Anthony Edwards more to Michael Jordan than himself, but I know where you're going with that.
What can you throw right now? Like a regular warm-up, obviously haven't been training, but what do you think you could throw? I think I could get it low 90s.

I think so.

This was actually a debate.

You've got to do this.

This was a debate during the season.

The strength and conditioning department and the PT department

within the Bucs were talking,

what do you think I could get it back up to if you gave me six months?

Okay.

So Christian Jelich was in your slam dunk competition.

Yes, he was.

If he competes in the home run derby, you should throw pitches for him. Yes.
That would be awesome. You should just throw gas.
And we're not going to tell you why we need you to do this. We just need Christian Yelich not to win the home run derby.
Got it. Got it.
If Christian Yelich wins the home run derby, PFT and I have to eat each other's ass. Holy shit.
Yeah. Who made that bet? We did.
Did you get anything on the other end? No, we're the dumbest people ever. What do you mean the other end? It was before he started hitting home runs.
And he was like, it was when he was still with the Marlins. Yeah.
And we had him on. It was like, what, six years ago? A great dude.
He's been on a bunch. He's a good friend.
And he was like, yeah, I can hit home runs. And we're like, no, you can't, dude.
And I think it was right when there was a porn video out that he looked like a doppelganger for a dude who was eating ass in a porn video and we brought it up to him and this was pre-only fans pre-only i think so yeah but it was like it was a pretty out there rumor already like people had said like is this christian yelich he he was aware of the fact that he looked like a guy in it okay so bad very bad video explain this out loud yeah but but if he's in the home run that'd be so natural be like you help me out in the slam dunk competition i want to help you out in the home run 92 throw some curveball and and and they throw pitches from in front of the mouth yeah so my 92 might seem like 100 yeah wait what other pitchers did you have basketball so the thing the reason 98 i mean nowadays isn't really that fast guys are throwing above 100 But the reason I was good in baseball was I had natural two-seam movement. So I had this down and out to a lefty movement on my four-seam fastball.
And so I did a fastball, I had a curveball, I had a splitter, and I had a changeup. And my idol growing up was Pedro Martinez.
So watching him pitch, I tried to basically throw the pitches he threw um he had a slider instead of a splitter but the way he threw his circle change was with that exact four seam um grip and so for me my fastball did a little down and away so when i did the four seam circle change it went like way down and away and that's what everybody from like a scout standpoint would drool over is this looks like a fastball like it's impossible to figure out the difference and it moves away like can you stop playing basketball and i was like you gotta do this like even like i hope you're in the nba for you know six seven eight whatever how many more years you want to be in the nba but when you do retire you need to at least try because it would be such a cool how how long did jeremy moyer pitch till he like 44 maybe. He was forever.
Yeah. So, look, we got time.
I'm 31. I got, what, like 13 years before that happens.
Yeah. Yeah, you could do it.
Are you still an Oriole? Do they still have your rights? Still have my rights. Oh.
So I did. They were – the Orioles have been great to me.
Obviously, I went and I played pro ball that summer. And when I didn't come back, they were basically like,

hey, we gave you a signing bonus.

You didn't come back.

So they went to the commissioner,

and they put me on what's called a reserved list.

They were basically like, hey, we want something for the signing bonus

aside from just the summer of pro baseball.

Because basically what it was like, I went and played pro baseball,

and I retired.

But I never retired.

So my rights were paused right then and then.

So if you said, hey, I want to be back, you'd get the money? No, no, No no no I already got the money. Oh you got all the money.
I already got all the money but if I wanted to go back they were like I'm because they paid you the money. Correct.
So I think it's still four or five years left technically if I went back for the Orioles that they have my rights for. What'd they pay you? Like 400 grand.
That's pretty good. For a little extended spring? It was before NIL.
No big deal. It was before NIL.
Oh, so your senior year at Notre Dame, you were walking around with some cash. I had a little cash.
That's awesome. Is that a violation? No, because I did not go back and play baseball at Notre Dame.
Oh, that makes sense. Such a great loophole.
Well, it's a loophole if you're an incredible athlete in sports should try this yeah i mean this is something that like sec football could definitely do if brian kelly just has guys on his football team he's like hey i've got a good relationship with uh i don't know like the atlanta braves yeah they're gonna sign you for an off season to be a baseball player you're not gonna have to play and then you're just a no-show job 400 grand no-show job and come back yeah adding to the nil

you guys should yeah maybe you should take a commission on that that's a good idea yeah i'll

talk to the guys at jmu about that maybe we need what we should do is we should see if we can become

an unaffiliated baseball team and sign guys that way yeah there's no baseball being played ever

yeah what is that team what is the bananas team savannah savannah bananas 100 starts on

affiliated leagues yeah yeah independent ball yeah yeah no doubt. I'll build you the stadium.
The real estate stuff I do. I'll build you the stadium.
Yeah, so you are a real estate mogul. I actually, last night we were, Pat, Bev, and Roan were doing a live stream for the Mavs Thunder game, and I joined it for a little bit.
And I mentioned, I was like, oh, Pat Coniston's's coming in and Roan said that when he was at a game whatever it was game two maybe against the Pacers he was sitting next to a guy who was like you see Pat Connaughton he's my landlord that's pretty weird yeah that you could just go to a Bucs game and be like that's the guy I pay my rent check to yeah so how how much real estate do you have? Uh, quite a bit, quite a bit. Yeah.

I got quite a bit. Yeah.
We've got, so, uh, our portfolio is probably right around 200, $250 million. Um, we got probably 150, 155 investors, a lot of them professional athletes.
The idea behind it is, Hey, um, you know, financial wealth, right. Or financial education.
How do we make sure that guys, you know, that 30 for 30 broke on ESPN?

We want to try to make sure that doesn't happen. And so for me, being a guy in the locker room, a guy that, you know, guys trust and a guy that's doing it with his own money anyway, having them come in and understand how investing in real estate works and being able to tangibly see it and be able to like do it a little bit differently where as the construction process is going on, I'm sending them updates of the job site so they see what their money has been doing.
As a project gets finished and it gets obviously rented and stabilized and things like that, you're able to see, all right, this is where the money's coming from. This is how much it costs on a monthly basis is how much the rent we're coming in and this this is kind of the net and this is my return on investment.
And then, you know, obviously as that happens, we get to invest into another one. And so it's been a lot of fun for me just getting guys involved and educating them at a high level on real estate investing.
And then I've had a lot of great mentors. Like, to be honest, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that from a real estate standpoint.
My dad was a general contractor, which is how I got into it um but they've done a great job of continuing to help me build and grow it so i got 19 employees that's awesome and 150 investors and we're in four states um with projects and um we're doing all residential or commercial as well uh make sure of both yeah some mixed use some residential we should do like a anybody that comes on the show that wants some financial education or wants to invest. We'll let them have their own little portion of the buildings we do.
Can I do a sidebar real quick? Yeah, a sidebar. And Legends can also have it.
Yeah, Legends can. Sidebar, sidebar.
And this is, Pat shouldn't hear this. He's not listening.
What he's doing in real estate is incredible and it sounds awesome. If it ended up being a Ponzi scheme and he stole everyone's money this this portion of the podcast probably in be in the documentary and in the court of law too yeah okay sidebar over yeah that's awesome that's no no punzi full transparency full transparency i just in my head i was like we're gonna be on netflix yeah yeah well why can't wait wait why can't it be a success story that no it is is.
It is. It is.
But if they were extremely successful. Yeah.
It's a great business model. If you exit at the right time.
Yeah. Before people know.
You're doing great. That's sick, though.
Did you start just owning small units? I started flipping one house. Wow.
So you started out fixing toilets and shit? Yeah, well, yeah, basically. I started out working on my dad's job sites.
So prior to owning a house and flipping it, I was hauling lumber, sheetrock, cleaning dumpsters, like doing all the stuff you don't want to do. One day I cleaned a dumpster and obviously my dad taught me hard work, all that sort of stuff.
He was very adamant about how you clean the dumpster. Like you can't just throw stuff in it because then there's empty space.
So you've got to pack it correctly because he doesn't want to have multiple dumpster runs that cost some money. And so I learned how to pack it the right way, and then I learned how to take two-by-fours or plywood and put them up on the sides so you could actually grow the dumpster and put more stuff in.
I made the mistake of doing it with sheetrock the first time I did it. And anybody that knows sheetrock, once it gets to a certain point, it just goes yeah it just breaks yeah so the guy that was driving the dumpster uh my buddy and i did it uh pulled out took a right and you just hear and one of the sheetrock panels went and all that stuff from the dumpster like flattened out but it was off his job site so it was now on the guy who was doing the dumpster uh run his fault but joe and i helped I helped him.
Yeah, wait. So let's just do dumpster talk real quick.
Yeah. How much does it piss you off if you have a site and people just randomly throw stuff in the dumpster? Because I do that all the time.
If I see a dumpster, I'll be like, I need to just go back home, get some trash, throw it in the dumpster. Yeah.
We have cameras. So when somebody does that, we then put a video of them up right next to the dumpster the next day, and it usually has them.
I might have to go up to Milwaukee and start just throwing shit. It would be great content for the show.
I just drive around with a trash bag in my car just in case I see a dumpster. Just to throw it in.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal. Yeah, but you're really nice.
It's a gray area? Yeah, it's a gray area. Kind of like a Ponzi scheme? Yeah, right, exactly.
You don't really know. Everyone really knows.
In terms of crime in this country, I think throwing away trash in a dumpster is probably pretty low. Well, I was going to say, isn't it interesting that throwing away trash in a dumpster is a crime, but throwing it on the ground isn't technically a crime? You should never litter.
Let's make that clear. Well, I think littering is a crime.
Is it for flinching a crime? Well, on highways and stuff, you definitely can get fines. Yeah.
But yeah, I love- What do you say, Max? Have you ever found any high school kids that put together a couple of trash bags of beer that go into your dumpster? Oh, Max, anything specific? Well, I mean, me and memes were just saying that was a classic move. That was a classic move when you were in high school.
Yeah, or after a bachelor party and you're like, I don't know where the fuck to throw it. It's like, oh, we saw a dumpster down the street.
Let's just throw everything in there. Always put it in the random dumpster.
College kids. We've seen college kids do it for sure.
Depending on where we're at. So is it weird knowing like when you're playing a game that there's probably hundreds of people in the stadium that are sending you like lease checks? You're their landlord? Yeah, I mean, not really.
But like it's a different scale. I don't think many professional athletes are collecting rent checks to the scale that we are.
Take offense to the phrase rent-free. When someone's like, I'm rent-free in your head, you're like, nobody's rent-free, buddy.
Yeah, I do, actually. I've said that to somebody.
Somebody said, I'm living rent-free in your head, and I go, there is no free rent. We want to make sure our tenants love where they live.
It's a fair price. Sometimes we're just below market to make them feel good so that, you know, obviously a professional athlete owning units, there can be a lot of hate on the Twitter.
Yeah, I was going to say, like, if you ever had someone like as you're like going to the tunnel, they're like, hey, hey, Pat, like my toilet hasn't worked for a week. You fucking send someone over.
Yeah, I've had somebody do that in an away arena, though. So I know they weren't actually serious because I didn't own any units in that area.
All right, I need people to start doing that. Yeah.
Just start yelling random like, hey, my light's out, and you guys haven't done anything. I got a leak.
It's an infestation. I've got ants.
I will say we don't do our own property management as far as a liability standpoint. We don't do our own.
We third party that out, and we make sure we try to have the best property manager that we can have so that things get fixed on time on task and no one has any problems okay i have a real estate development project for you what do you got can i pitch you on this yeah pitch me all right so it's like an amusement park except it's just sports right so you've got you've got the 17th hole at sawgrass that's part of it that's like one section of it. You've got a baseball stadium that's the size and exact dimensions of like Fenway Park.
And then a pitching machine, so you can just go yard on that. And then you've got a football field and you've got like a roster of guys, like 11 guys, that you can be a quarterback and throw touchdown passes to like college athletes.
Things like that. You just bounce around.
It's like just an amusement park, but for sports. Are you in? I love the idea.
How does it make money? People buy tickets, and then we charge a fuckload for sodas. Yeah.
For concessions. We'll go, too.
$15 a soda. You can come see us.
Can we move Barstool headquarters there? Can it have its own? Yeah, you have to pay us, though. That's not how rent works.

You have to pay us an appearance.

No, it's like Trump.

We're double dipping.

Oh, both sides.

So where's the Ponzi scheme really?

It's a real estate term.

It's called double dip.

No, we put the Barstool Sports name on it,

like Trump does on the building here in Chicago.

So everyone's like, it's the Barstool Sports thing.

But we actually don't do anything.

We just come up with the idea.

But wouldn't you want to participate?

Yeah, we get free admission. For a fee.
But we we get a free admission yeah they can pay us to show up so he wants to get paid you just want free admission i on the first day it's we just show up for free yeah and then every time after that it's like will you please come take batting practice here's how much five thousand a pitch a pitch going to say, if you miss, you should owe us $5,000. Yeah, that's true.
Oh, that's actually – And I'll pitch to you. It'll be part of the work to my comeback.
High stakes, yeah. That's not bad.
You could also set up gambling on how much contact each person is going to make. That's very true.
If you step up 95-mile-an-hour fastballs, we call that the pat, you step into the batter's box and you say, I think I'm going to make contact with more than four pitches.

If you do, then you get your money back.

If you don't, then you pay double.

So I will say this has been a topic in the two locker rooms that I've been a part of, Portland Trailblazers and Milwaukee.

Do you think you could make contact if I pitched you?

No.

No, I'm fairly confident that I wouldn't.

How many pitches do you think it would – yeah, not even foul one off?

I think you'd foul one off.

No, I don't think so.

You don't think so?

No.

No, I haven't really swung a bat at anything above like 60 miles an hour.

I guess if you gave me like 100 pitches, I'd probably get a lucky one

just by just dumb luck timing it.

Yeah.

But it wouldn't be any skill of like I saw the ball and like barreled it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Okay, so I got a lot of teammates that think they can do it.
Get a hit? Make contact. Yeah.
Well, actually, I've seen some. I've seen some.
Oh, Matt. Oh, yeah.
Give me 10 swings. I'm taking you deep.
Taking me deep? I never gave up a home run. 10 ABs.
10 ABs. You've never given up a home run? In high school, I did.
I've never given up a home run since high school.

Not in college in all three years.

Not in the pros.

But you've got to understand, you're talking to the Matt Stairs of the CAA right there.

Yeah.

Max played at Hofstra.

He was a pinch hitter.

What was your stats?

I hit three home runs.

How many pinch hits?

45 at-bats.

Wow.

That's a pretty good percentage for home runs.

Yeah.

I will say, you know my secret sauce?

What? I don't always throw it in the strike zone. Oh, so now I'm at zero because I would be standing so far away.
Yeah. So you're going to hit me.
I'll be completely honest with you. There have been a few pitches.
There have been a few pitches in my collegiate career that went behind a batter. Okay.
That would be terrifying. Yeah.
And it wasn't on purpose. Like, I didn't do it on purpose.
I'm just wildly effective. We got to do this, though.
Yeah. We got to get Max.
We should. Yeah.
100%. See if we can get it.
And you said 10 pitches? Well, 10 ABs. 10 ABs.
10 ABs. Whoa, 10 ABs is different than 10 pitches.
A little different. Well, you know, I didn't know that zero home run since high school stat.
Oh, God. Throwing it behind guys.
Yeah. Am I allowed to throw other pitches? No, I don't care about that.
I'll wear the fuck out of a pitch if you throw it, oh that's good that's good that's what you're supposed to do you take take your base i don't yeah i also am i allowed to mix up the pitches are gonna be yeah yeah of course yeah of course yeah real batter as a pinch hitter i was also second in my team and hit by pitches i love wearing pitches that's a savage stat that's a good hey that's that's having a dog in you as a baseball player. That's what that is.

My favorite thing about Max's college career is that sometimes he would pinch hit,

and then he'd walk, and then go to first base,

and they'd take him out and put a pinch runner.

And that was his entire day.

Good day at the office.

That's an unbelievable day at the office.

Actually, we held the University of Illinois-Chicago.

Is it UIC, right? UIC, yeah.

We held them to one run in two innings. Yeah.
Like as a podcast. PFT pitching I was catching.
We had the guys in the outfield. They played infield so that helped.
It was kind of embarrassing for them actually. But it actually was a good motivator for them because they're a really good team.
Yeah they had a good season since then. So maybe we're just really good actually.
I think PFT was pitching slow enough that they didn't know what to do. It felt like you hit that.
Their timing was off because it took so long. Yeah, it was like 60 miles an hour.
It's like, alright, what is it? Average 68.5. Yeah.
It's pretty good. You were throwing gas.
It was cold that day. It was really cold.
Oh, that's tough. That is tough.
What is your best sport at a podcast? I mean, it's kind of probably average basketball, I would guess,

because Hank and Big Cat aren't bad.

I stink.

Does watching sports count as a sport?

No.

Okay.

Not in this instance.

Okay.

Like golf.

How are we at golf?

Oh, yeah, golf, I guess.

Yeah.

Although we kind of suck at that, too.

Yeah, we stink at every sport.

We try to do nine-hole scramble, and we're like, we'll go under par. Yeah.
No? Kind of close. Yeah, no.
Yeah. Well, what course are you playing? It was the easy one.
We suck. Was it a par three? No, it wasn't a par three.
We suck at everything. That's why we do what we do.
I would say we are very good at watching sports, though. Yeah, yeah.
I'd say you're elite at watching sports. Yeah.
Top point. Elite.
Oh, oh, oh, one percent. A hundred percent.
I'm actually nasty at Frisbee golf. I am.
I don't know if that's a sport. Frolf.
Shout out all the frolfers out there. Yeah.
Basketball, yeah, I guess. But we're bad.
But we can at least field the team. Yeah.
Yeah, we have five. Memes is good.
Yeah, we'd be okay. All right, so I got one last question.
This has been awesome, Pat, having you come down here. And we do have to do a video of you striking Max out and maybe hitting him in the head.
That would be awesome if he fucking beans you in the head. We'll have him sign all the liability.
We don't care. I did.
I accidentally hit a kid in the head in high school, and the ball hit off his helmet and went into the air all the way back to me at the mound. I caught it.
Yeah. I did.
I felt bad. Yeah.
All right, so my last question, rowback question, R-H-O-a-c-k.com promo code take qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take i know the answer to this but i'm gonna still ask you anyway last time you were on you told us some good yana stories how he's a superstar but he's still like putting in the work and and a regular guy has any of that changed is he still the same guy where it's like from our perspective he just loves life loves basketball and still works like countless countless hours is that still the same yeah 100 i mean i would say the the thing that i feel for yarnas most is he works so hard because he wants to win so bad.

He wants to help his team win so bad.

In the last two years, he hasn't really been able to play in the playoffs.

And, like, think about, and I know, obviously,

we are all fortunate to do what we do for a living

and get paid handsomely for it.

But, you know, you go through an 82-game season,

and I think he played more games this year than he has in quite a few years in totality throughout that 82 games, and then you're not able to play in the playoffs. You get injured right before the playoffs, you're not able to play, and now you can't be out there to help your team compete during the time in which you're preparing the entire year for, and you got to wait until next year, and you got to go through the whole thing again before you get another opportunity, and then the same thing happens again, and you're not able to compete, and you got to wait until next year and you gotta go through the whole thing again um before you get another opportunity and then the same thing happens again and you're not able to compete and you got to sit there and kind of watch your team as we were unable to you know to obviously help him have an opportunity to play and that was something i even said to him on the plane back from indiana i just said man i'm sorry about that like i'm sorry we weren't able to get you uh an opportunity to play in the playoffs because i how much it means to you to win.
I know how much work you put in. I know how much you care about your craft and about your teammates around you and the organization you play for in the city of Milwaukee.
And we weren't able to get to a place where we were able to give you an opportunity to play in the playoffs, which is, you know, kind of what you live for in the basketball sense. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
He's a seems like a fun guy actually when we had his back when he gave that uh that post-game presser when he had oh i didn't i think we did a couple years you might have i think we said i think we said yeah he's i mean he's right like oh yeah that part yeah you can you can still have a good season if you don't win a championship it's still like okay only one team gets to do this not yeah i mean look it's a healthy perspective yeah it's about the it's about the process about the journey it's about getting better right i think that's when when he talks about things of that nature and has talks about that press conference you're talking about it's like you can't be a failure if you're utilizing uh adversity if you're utilizing failure uh to grow and be better about it the next year, in my opinion. You're not going to win a championship every single year.
I don't know anybody that has. But when we're in a position to win a championship and we fall short of that goal, it can only be a failure if you don't utilize that experience to build upon it, in my opinion.
Yeah, I just want on the record I'm pretty sure I called it loser talk because I know Bucs fans will be mad if I pretend I didn't. If you pretend you didn't what? Call it loser talk.
I did. Oh, got it.
I think we said it was loser talk. But I have a thing.
I mean, Bucs fans are Packers fans. I hate them all.
It's good perspective, but also some of the best athletes of all time have absolutely zero perspective on anything. Right.
That is very true. Like Tom Brady.
Tom Brady has no perspective on anything.

Michael Jordan probably doesn't have a great perspective.

But that's what makes

them who they are. Yeah, and they're competitive.

They're competitive dudes.

I mean, they're winners.

They've done a lot of winning in their career.

My whole childhood in New England, our whole

childhood, oh, he left,

was winning because of Tom.

Yeah, and the Celtics and the Bruins and the Red Sox. And the UConn basketball and the Red Sox.
UConn basketball. Pretty good if you're just a New England sportsman.
You guys, let me ask you a quick question before we get off. Do you guys think that the professional sports in Boston prevent the collegiate sports from raising their level to national champions? That's an interesting question because I think that in the South, especially like college football, you get smaller towns or smaller cities and their professional sports are college sports.
Yeah. That's where it is.
So there's probably some truth to that. I think it's also just big schools are always going to have an advantage.
When you think about smaller schools in the Northeast first, like Big Ten or SEC, they're just the amount of people that they draw from. Yeah.
I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah, because I think the further Midwest you get, the further South you get, the colleges are, for the most part, not always, but they're located in towns where they pretty much run the entire city. Right.
Right. The city is that college.

And in the Northeast, everything is so jammed together that you're never going to have a college that's near New York City that is going to run New York City. That New York City is going to give them everything they want, that sort of thing.
Yeah. So you get bigger schools the further away from giant metropolitan areas that you get, I think.
Andy Staples, our friend, did a study a couple years ago where it was a map of obesity in America,

and it was just map of obesity in

America, and it was just basically where everyone's good at football.

It was just like there's just bigger people in the Midwest and the South, and then they're

good at football.

Wow.

Yeah.

So it was like, yeah, it kind of made sense.

You're just like, oh, I guess this does make sense.

That's some good R&D research and development.

Oh, look at that.

Yeah.

All right.

Last question I got for you.

You can use it or you can not use it whenever this gets filmed. Flip the interview on us.
Yeah, I'm going to flip it on you. It's a topic.
It's relevant. I'm sure you guys have already talked about it.
But which athletes have the best chance to translate to another professional sport? I think it's golf. Well, excuse me.
I think it's hockey to golf. You think players baseball to golf baseball to golf feels like hand eye coordination maybe a starting pitcher to golf because they get so much time off that's a good call the whole debate with the NFL I don't think anyone in the NFL could play in the NBA right now just because I think people forget just how good NBA players are.

Like, guys will shoot 30% from three, and they're like, they're a bum.

It's like, watch them in a practice, they don't miss.

But yeah, hockey's out.

No one can really play hockey unless you played it, like, growing up.

Actually, no, I know the answer.

I mean, if you guys decide, if the Bucs decided that they wanted to be the U.S. men's national team in soccer, we'd win a World Cup.
You think so? Yeah. Easy.
No problem. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha doubt.
Give them four months. No problem.
I do think the football to basketball debate was fascinating to hear different people's perspectives on. Because I think so many people associate athleticism with your measurable I mean we're here in Chicago right now in the draft combines going on right so many people associate athleticism with how fast can you run how high can you jump things of that nature but like I look at athleticism as like well how coordinated are you how able are you to play another sport right and I you know, football players are the best athletes from a sheer run straight and jump high because of their explosiveness.
But I think the coordination you need in basketball coupled with the athleticism and kind of putting it all together gives us a chance to do other things. Like, you know, I don't know.
I could be misspeaking here, but how many football players do you know that can hit a golf ball like Steph Curry? Right. Yeah, true.
Yeah, the coordination is out of control. Yeah.
But, yeah, I had your guys back on that one. I appreciate you having our back.
Maybe a racehorse competing in sprinting. That would be an easy one.
Yeah, that would be. That's true.
That's a good one. Yeah.
That's true. I think the hockey to golf is a pretty good one, baseball to golf.
I think those are pretty solid. Hockey to golf, like same motion.
Yeah, and hand-eye coordination. Also, I think actually a real answer would be if you were to take NBA All-Stars, give them a year of training, they would probably be the best volleyball team in the world.
That's true. That's a very good one.
We'd also dominate handball, which will make the handball community upset. Yeah.
But we've done that. That's a good call.
Volleyball would be really good. You get Wimby up front.
You made it seem like my soccer answer wasn't a real answer. Big Cat's soccer answer was a very real answer.
Very real answer. My fiance plays soccer.
Yeah, I mean, she probably knows like every – Caitlin Clark would take her job in a second. Imagine Giannis in goal.
I don't know. She's pretty fast.
She is pretty fast. All right, well, Pat, thank you as always, man.
You're the best, and we definitely have to do a video of you striking out Max and beating him. Yeah, I'm ready.
I'm ready whenever. You guys let me know.
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Okay, let's finish up with FireFest of the Week.

Hank!

Got anything for us, Hank?

Hank!

How you doing, Hank?

I'm good.

I'm rusted.

I can tell.

Yeah, Tuesday night.

Well, let's back up.

Let's back up a little bit before Tuesday night because Tuesday-

We'll start with Tuesday morning. Woke up at up at 6 30 rise and grind worked out eight o'clock okay what'd you do between 6 30 and 8 uh i made a protein shake i don't think you actually woke up at 6 30 my alarm went off at 6 30 okay here's i i go alarm i usually snooze it twice try and get up before 7 because I need to get out of the door by 7.30, but I need time to eat and make something, get something in my stomach.
Literal child. Yeah.
What? Just get up when you need to get up. I do.
I like to snooze. How many times do you miss getting out by 7.30 a lot? No.
Okay. I make it at 7.30, so I have like 10 minutes to stretch and stuff.

So if I get out 7.40, I'm still fine.

Got it.

But it takes you an hour and a half, or an hour, excuse me.

It takes you a full hour between when you wake up and when you leave.

To get out of the house.

I leave at 7.30.

But you wake up at 6.30.

My alarm goes off at 6.30.

Yeah, but then you snooze it. I snooze it twice.
Try and get up before 7. Just get up when your alarm goes off.
Snooze is just, I get it. Snooze.
I have, I physically, I am the worst procrastinator of all time. Physically, like my body, when I, like the last second that I have to get up is when I get up.

I can't do it.

I just can't do it.

It doesn't matter.

It didn't matter in school.

When I was in high school, I would wake up literally two minutes before either when my

sister would drive me or when I would get a ride to school.

I would wake up with one minute to go.

Fast forward a little bit.

During the day on Tuesday, we're in the studio getting ready to record part of my take.

Hank is asleep on the couch. He's snoring a little bit.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I like that noise.
What did I say? What did I say that was wrong? We recorded something and then we took a break. We were like, all right, let's take 40 minutes and then we'll do the rest of the show.
I said to you, my trusted friend, colleague, brother in arms, I was like, I'm going to take a nap. I feel myself falling asleep.
I'm going to take a quick nap. It's not like I just dozed off unexpectedly.
No, Hank, wait. I was saying that because.
Like, oh, you were asleep. I have no problem with you falling asleep.
I told you what I was doing and why I was doing it. Yeah, yeah.
I have no problem with that. But what happened was.
We had 40 minutes. I think announcing a nap means that you should be allowed to nap.
Yeah, I have no- Yeah, and if you had an issue with it, you would have been like- No, zero problem with it. Zero problem.
But then you wake up from the nap and it's what you said and you were bragging about your nap. No.
No, wait, wait, wait, Hank, because you're going to lie. You're going to lie.
I will say exactly the conversation. Okay, what did you say when you woke up? I woke up and in my sleep, I thought I caught myself snoring.
I heard a subconscious snore in my sleep and I woke up, Paul, Paul Rabel came in and I was just passed out and he was like, they started whispering. I was like, I'm up.
Uh, and then after PFT, I was like, PFT, you hear me snore once? And he's like, ah, no, you snored like for 20 minutes. Yeah.
Well, don't, again, but I thought, I thought in my head, I was like, I thought I caught myself snoring and stopped myself sleeping. This just wasn't true.
This is not where the issue is. I'm fine.
You sleep all you want. Announce a nap.
Go for a nap. If we're not recording, go for it.
Snore. That's fine.
But then you also bragged afterwards about how you got a quick 20 minutes in and it's the perfect nap. And if you get a 20 minute nap, that's all the human brain needs to to sleep and you won't be tired again for the rest of the day oh you said you only need 20 minutes that's good and i said that no you said i said yeah 20 minutes is perfect i didn't get 20 minutes i only got like 10 why were you woken up paul rabel oh but hank bragged about how he had 20 minutes of sleep no and so that's going to be you're going to cover him for the rest of the day uh yeah pft filmed me posted it which is just crazy again once again it's like i thought this was a safe space sanctuary this is fake news because you woke up and i showed you the video before i posted it and i was like isn't this funny and you laughed and we laughed and i was like yeah i wasn't going to post it while you were asleep but i'm going to post now and you're like haha that's cool there's no way i said that's cool you were fine with what i was supposed I supposed to say when you're my boss? I can't stop you.
I'm not going to be like a soft little bitch and be like, don't post it. But it's more like an unspoken.
You've turned yourself into quite the victim. An unspoken rule.
Okay. It's all good.
All right. So you got the perfect amount of sleep.
I got 10 minutes. I had gotten 20 minutes.
It would have been the the perfect amount of sleep and i probably would have been still awake to this day uh but then and this isn't there's really no excuse there's no victim i just i was tired uh i knew i was tired the timberwolves game was on started at 9 30 ended up starting at like 9 45 i stayed up i didn't i was like don't lay on the couch don't sit on the couch you're gonna fall asleep so i i have like a little tv in my kitchen so i was sitting on just a kitchen table chair you fell asleep on a kitchen table chair yes because i was like i'm gonna fall asleep if i sit on the couch and this is how i'll stay awake i mean how were sitting? I made it to the fourth quarter and woke up.

Were you on the kitchen island?

No, I just woke up like this.

On an actual kitchen stool?

No, it was just a chair with a back.

Okay, all right, a regular chair. Yeah.

Holy shit, you were tired.

But yeah, I woke up, and I was fighting myself.

And there is nothing worse than your sleeping subconscious, which again has more control over me than it should. But I convinced myself and it never works as long as I've lived.
Like, just close your eyes for a minute. Oh, yeah, no chance.
Like I was watching the game and I was like, oh, commercial? Like, all right, no. I'll just close my eyes for a minute.
I turn my phone on high volume just in case I fall asleep.

Even though I knew, I should have known in hindsight,

the second you say, I'll just close my eyes for a second,

you're falling asleep.

So if we called you, you might have picked up?

Yeah.

Oh, no.

But that's not us.

It's really our fault.

Yeah, what goes through your head when you do finally wake up?

I woke up. The fact that you guys didn't call me made me feel like it wasn't too bad.
It wasn't. It was just one text.
It was just like ready to go and then Hank question mark. It wasn't like, you know, a bunch of texts and calls.
Well, for people who obviously know this, but what we've been doing deliberately is we've been trying to do the majority of the show together and then the last like 10 minutes just whatever game just happened so it really wasn't and it was a good show i did go to sleep i was like that was at least the show

we did earlier was funny it was very funny and we there wasn't a boston team you had to talk about

but yeah i was i did wake up and i was just i i mean well the bruins oh shit fuck i forgot about

that hey pft did you hear this one which one did you hear about this one um hank slept through

Thank you. I mean, Wall of the Bruins.
Oh, shit. Fuck, I forgot about that.
Hey, PFT, did you hear this one? Which one? Did you hear about this one? Hank slept through part of my take episode, but in his defense, it was at 12.30 in the morning that we were taping. It's not like he slept through one that was like 11.30 in the morning.
That would have been bad. Like during a normal business day, work hours, that's a fireable offense, but you did it at night, which is fine, which is when most people sleep.
Are you just a sleep guy now? No, no. I sleep guy.
I did say again, I would never make excuses. I take full, full blame, full responsibility.
You don't think I'm tired? No. I, yeah, of course.
I'm always tired. Yeah.
I don't know how you don't just doze off sometimes. The first incident sleeping in too late kick-started my fitness documentary journey, which has me waking up early, which then forced me to be tired and sleep late.
So I just got to find that middle ground. But you had a good excuse.
It's the first time you slept in, right? Yeah, I just was if caleb if caleb never went to your house and said let's go out you would have been no sleep no i would have missed zero shows okay and so what went through your head when you woke up uh i texted it yeah fuck fuck that i that i kind of assessed the situation i was like all right my bad then i was awake and i was i wanted i was close but i was like don't don't be an asshole i was close to like tweeting max and being like where's the pod because i i was like i was awake at that point i was like awake for like an hour um and i was like you know refreshing the podcast because i wanted to listen to the damage um because max was like just a light roasting which could have meant like I got roasted for 30 minutes correct so I didn't know and but I didn't

want to like you know when you're in that situation you can't really push the envelope and try and get

answers you just have to wait for it to happen so what he said just a light roasting no big deal

I didn't know if he was like actually a light roasting or actually like they spent the first

45 minutes like shitting on your life so so what changes are we looking to make moving forward

Thank you. no big deal i i didn't know if he was like actually a light roasting or actually like they spent the first 45 minutes like shitting on your life so so what changes are we looking to make moving forward i don't think any i think he's a sleep guy i think he's just a sleep guy like we people come in and they're like all right we you know you got the nerd you got the sweaty italian you got commander's fan you got the sleep guy you sleep guy now? You a sleep guy.
You got a sleep problem?

You addicted to sleep?

Yeah.

I mean, I have people.

I got to get better sleep.

I think the snoring and the mouth breathing is bad. It doesn't create good sleep.

Here's an idea.

I need to get some tape, some mouth tape.

Oh, nice.

But I need to make the-

For the podcast?

I need to make the sleep that I get count more than it does here's an idea sleep when you're dead that's a good idea or just have a kid you should have a kid so you don't fall asleep i never sleep i i'm i have to be up at 6 45 every single morning no matter what yeah not a bad idea me and you rising grinders and my kids get to sleep oh that's the worst part about being a parent is that you don't sleep but your kids my kids sleep like 12 hours a night fucking rocks for them they just sleep and they still wake up and they're like let's go yeah i just can't let the i'm i apologize it was it was a bad look on my part but i just can't let the morning one happen there were a lot of people that said like that was a really good show especially the first 15 minutes of it so that was good yeah that's great that's all i care about at the end of the day that's true that's your team guy content machine pft uh so i was going to have a sleep related fire fest as well but i'm not going to do that because I think Hank just absolutely trumps me on that. My fire fest is that I think Blake is now officially off stairs.
I think that, so in his recovery, I have to carry him up and down steps. The good news is you don't have a lot of stairs in your house.
I've got a lot of stairs in my house. And so he, he obviously like can't put too much pressure on his elbows.
he's just going outside to use the bathroom back to his crate basically but uh he's gotten addicted now he's learned that when he gets to the steps he just stops and looks at me and then daddy comes in scoops him up oh no takes him up and down the steps the worst news is he's still growing and so he's gonna end up being probably like 120 pounds and that's a haul but i feel like the habits that i'm teaching him right now he's just going to retain those you're going to get stronger i'm going to get strong i'm going to get jacked up probably be able to dunk without all that leg strength that i'm building up but he's uh yeah he's learned that if he just stops and looks at me then i'm going to come over pick him up and he doesn't have to do stairs and i don't blame him because if there's somebody if there was a big strong man that lived in my house yeah they just picked me up and carried me up and down the steps i'm all in on that yeah like yeah why i'm not i'm not going back to using my legs like a sucker so i think that for probably at least it's gonna be a tough habit to break probably next six months to a year uh i'm just gonna be blake's elevator yeah which is tough that's okay though about those ramp things oh like the ones that um that old ladies use get them a chair and then hit the button and it just yeah it's like the booger mobile but for steps that's not a bad idea i might do that be the alpha in your house yeah yeah you need me to take you up and down these steps don't you yeah i i got it so that's my firere Fest. I have two.
One is I'm back on hair dye. Oh, you are? Yeah.
I got my hair cut yesterday, and I look like Pauly Walnuts. It could be worse.
It could be Nikki Smokes. I still have my hair.
You dyed up. Yeah, I did.
I got to probably do another paint job. Just a side.
See it on the side. It's these sides.
It's crazy how white I am now. You should do the Pauly Walnuts actual hair dye.
Just the silver wings. It looks sick.
Yeah, maybe. That would look sick.
Maybe for Mount Rushmore season when we do bets. Maybe it's personal bets and I could do that.
Because that would look ridiculous. It would look awesome.
If we threw soul patches out there and I did that for two weeks, I'd consider doing it. That would look awesome.
You know what? I'll throw my hair in, too. If I lose Mount Rushmore season, I'll get a perm.
Oh, okay. That's a good idea.
That's a big one. But my other one is, speaking of being the alpha in your household, I've now gotten to the point, my son is like, you're really strong.

Like he says that to me.

He's like,

you're really strong.

I'm like,

yeah,

I know.

Like I pick him up and he's really strong.

So last night I was carrying him to bed.

He's like,

you're really strong.

I was like,

I'm the strongest in this house.

He's like,

you're not stronger than a monster.

And I was like,

fuck,

that's a good point.

And then,

so I could deal with that monster.

Fine.

Like you want to go,

I want to go head to head against a monster.

That's fine.

He then said,

uh,

well,

and he named a kid in his class and he's like,

Thank you. Oh, so.
And I was like, and I know who he's talking about because I've met this guy's dad. He is like probably four inches taller than me.
He's a big guy. But I'm like, what the fuck? He just said that another kid's son or dad is stronger than me you gotta fight that guy i don't know what i gotta do but that was the most emasculating thing i gotta do some kind of feats of strength in front of my kids i need to just maybe bring a like a barbell into the kitchen and be like you guys want to keep talking shit i'll fucking show you i think you gotta punch this guy in the face i mean his rival dad he's a really nice guy i met him he is taller than me but to be to just blatantly just say oh yeah x's dad is stronger than you in my own house that cut me deep that cut me deep it's very funny to think that your kid's going to school and then he's going up to other kids be like your dad could beat up my dad yeah that's what's happening yeah that's tough so i i don't know what i gotta do um but i gotta i gotta figure out something because i gotta i gotta show that i'm the strongest maybe uh rough and rowdy who could you beat up here this guy's this kid's you got this other five-year-old's dad challenge him to rough and rowdy yeah i think that's the only way the most confusing rough and rowdy ever.
The drummer that fills in for Frankie sometimes, Dom, with Pup Punk, by the way, tickets on sale, May 31st, Chicago. Love that.
Joe's on weed. The guy that fills in for him, he's a Muay Thai fighter.
He just started. And he brought his son to his first organized fight.
That's got to be weird to have your son in the audience watching his dad fight. his son's like four years old oh what if i did it what if i staged a fight that's what i need to do i need to stage a fight and beat the fuck out of max yeah okay all right we'll do that i'm gonna stage a fight and just be like look how strong i am i beat the fuck out of this guy have max try to break into your house to steal your cheese and then you just pummel him yeah and then you make him puke and then he poops everywhere this is good this is good all right i got some solutions uh jake you want to finish this off yeah i'll finish this off uh i've just been farting a lot recently oh no it's been extra gassy i don't know what it what it is i haven't really ate anything out of the ordinary but it's been extra gassy jake farts um what they're calling you yeah farts are fun yeah but okay i want to say this in a respectful way say whatever you want think about how to say it respectfully jake i i i also mean no disrespect um a lot of people think that their farts smell good you strike me as a guy that thinks his own farts are bad yeah i agree you're like yeah you don't like your own farts i mean like i'm not scared of them like if you're by yourself in your apartment and you got a lethal fart like that that excites me yeah yeah oh yeah oh yeah the little sniff yeah the ones that hit like right after you fart you get the smell instantly oh dude yeah stink up your own car and you're like this fucking rocks yeah a lot of people save their farts for their car because they don't want to fart in public wherever they're at.
I save my farts for my car because I like farting in my car. You put the heat on? Yeah.
Just get a hot box yourself. All right, you know what? I'm not going to say the disrespectful.
Just say it. I don't care.
I was going to say, I put you in the category of chicks. You shouldn't fart.
Jake doesn't poop. Yeah, but you know about digestive issues.
I understand, but something about you farting Just bothers me It's not a you problem It's a me problem so I apologize Nice little toot Yeah right like I feel like when you fart You say oops I have some potential But you know what Jake The most noble thing that you can choose to do Is to be a homemaker of a podcast, and I'm glad that you're filling that role. Yes.
That's really valuable, so thank you. Thank you.
Oh, man. So what have you been doing? You've just been eating like shit? No, I've just been- Jake, that's also because you don't eat.
You eat well. So I guess also when you eat super clean, it actually gets worse, right? Right.
Yeah. Right.

Okay, good show, boys.

Let's do some numbers.

Max is out, so I will do 20.

Eight.

Forty.

Six.

Eighteen.

Three.

Ninety-nine pug.

Twenty-one.

Pug, by the way, three and O, the pugs.

The pugs. Pugs are a wagon, but we got some of the best teams coming up.
Oh, no. Pug.
Do we have to have a conversation about Mr. Pear? Oh, he sucks.
Mr. Pear is ice cold.
He sucks. And guess what? Honestly, it was the AI.
Memes mushy with the AI. I don't think he's won since.
And memes also, I don't know what it is.

It's like he's never watched sports before.

He starts bragging about Mr. Pear.

There was a game, what was it?

Maybe it was game four.

The Mavs were up 10 in the first quarter, and he's like, see Mr. Pear.

It's like, dude, it's the NBA.

It's a 10-point lead in the first quarter.

I don't blame Mr. Pear.

I blame memes.

I blame memes.

100% of the blame is on

memes.

You're spoiling them.

Memes?

Max touched them.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Okay.

That's fair.

I'll take that.

All right.

What are the numbers again?

Everyone say it again.

20.

8.

3.

4.

6.

18.

21.

If I got 20, Max would not believe us, right?

You won't believe it.

Oh, 19.

19.

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