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Speaker 1 We talk about the draft. We talk about who's going to take the Lakers' job.
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Speaker 1 We also have our good friend Shane Bacon on to preview the PGA Championship, who he thinks is going to win live from Valhalla. Oh, yeah, that's happening this week.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk some basketball. We're going to talk some hockey.
The Nuggets, the

Speaker 1 Knicks dominate tonight.

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Speaker 1 Today is Wednesday, May 15th. And PFT,

Speaker 1 I am so happy that I'm alive, that I am blessed to be able to do a sports podcast while Nikola Jokic is playing basketball. Because holy shit, he is the best.

Speaker 6 Did he empty the bag tonight? It felt like the clip is gone. He did everything in the paint.

Speaker 6 I don't know what he finished at, but through three quarters, he was seven for seven when he was matched up one-on-one with Rudy Gobert. Yeah.
And he was just dominating.

Speaker 6 Not just the crazy shot making and all the pivots and the hook shots and the up and unders he was doing, the passing out of the lane. He made Rudy Gobert look foolish tonight.

Speaker 6 The Timberwolves actually, they look better at times defensively with Gobert on the bench. And it might go back to what we were talking about before the series started.

Speaker 6 I think we talked about it with maybe with Kirk Goldsbury, but how sometimes, since Rudy Gobert is such a a good defender, defensive player of the year, that when he's matched up against a guy like Jokic, they'll have him play one-on-one, not give a lot of help, and then Jokic feasts because it's a one-on-one.

Speaker 6 It's almost better to guard Jokic with like one and a half slash two average defenders than it is to guard him with one good defender.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and listen, Rudy Gobert,

Speaker 1 defensive player of the year, many times. I don't even know how many he's won, like five,

Speaker 1 really good in the regular season. This happens to him pretty much every playoffs.
I'm not even going to say that, like, yeah, he got cooked tonight, but Jokic was so good.

Speaker 1 Everyone on planet Earth would have gotten cooked.

Speaker 1 But the thing I love about tonight, and obviously this series has been great to watch. You had

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Wolves come out 2-0, take the first two in Denver. Then the Nuggets are like, hey, we're the champs for a reason.
And you felt that edge over the weekend, and you felt that edge even tonight.

Speaker 1 But tonight was an extra edge because Jokic got his third MVP trophy before the game and he's going up against the defensive player of the year and he's probably the like outside of I think Steve Nash was very criticized as an MVP if you remember like people were like how can you give him back-to-back MVPs

Speaker 1 but it's been a while since an MVP feels like they've been criticized and poked holes in as much as Jokic has even last year not winning it and Embiid winning it And Jokic was like, I'm just going to, like, you don't think I care?

Speaker 1 I care a lot, and I'm going to fucking demolish the defensive player of the year and score 40 points and do everything passing the ball and remind everyone that, yes, I am the best player in the world.

Speaker 1 And that's a fact. I don't know how anyone, like, I understand that you get fatigue with MVPs and SGA had a great year, and we're going to talk about him in a minute.

Speaker 1 And other guys have been great. I don't understand how anyone can watch.

Speaker 1 the Denver Nuggets play basketball and Jokic play basketball and not be like, that guy is so much better than everyone else at this exact moment because everything he does is just so effortless and makes everyone better.

Speaker 1 And it's fucking awesome to watch.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's the best player in basketball for sure.

Speaker 6 I think what's watered down the whole MVP discussion, what's made some people come out of the woodworks with takes on other players that might be more deserving this year, which I disagree with.

Speaker 6 Jokic is the best. And if you watch him play, you know he's the best.

Speaker 6 It's the proliferation of MVP chance in arenas.

Speaker 6 So there's a bunch of probably four arenas out there of guys. And when he's on the foul line, the entire crowd chants MVP.

Speaker 6 And when you hear everybody chanting MVP, to me, I'm like, you know, they make a good point because there's

Speaker 6 30,000 people saying a guy's name at the same time. I'm like, yeah, yeah, SGA.
I agree with Oklahoma City on this one.

Speaker 6 But if you actually sit down and watch them back to back to back, it's pretty obvious who the best player is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's happened time and time again in the NBA where it's like, if you actually went, you know, the best player

Speaker 1 without any fatigue or anything else, like LeBron probably has a couple more, you know, Jordan has a couple more.

Speaker 1 Like these things happen where we just get tired of it and the voters get tired of it and they're like, oh, he's so good, but he makes it so easy. Let's give the new guy an MVP.
Jokic is the MVP.

Speaker 1 He deserved the MVP. He is the best player in the world, and he did it again tonight.
And it's honestly like

Speaker 1 I feel the same way i felt when the warriors played basketball like at their peak of their powers it's so much fun to watch him play basketball because it's just his two best passes tonight didn't even end up in in baskets aaron gordon missed one and got uh fouled on the other like he was he was doing tricks on it he was fucking he was toying with them and even that last three that he hit was like the wettest sounding three of all time.

Speaker 1 And it's just, I don't know, I'm like smiling because I just love watching him play basketball.

Speaker 6 The behind the back pass or behind the back of his neck pass that he had when he was driving through the lane to Aaron Gordon. That was awesome.
Also, I just love Aaron Gordon. I love Aaron Gordon.

Speaker 6 I have no other notes on this game besides the fact Jokic, dominant. Aaron Gordon, so fun to watch.
He worked so hard.

Speaker 6 And it's funny watching him because there were times when Rudy was matched up one-on-one against him.

Speaker 6 And on the offensive end, when he got into the paint, he'd have to do like three different pivots in a row to get Gobert in a position like far enough away where he could even get a layup off against him.

Speaker 6 He has to work so hard against Rudy Gobert to score, but he hustles. He hustles everywhere.
And yeah, the Nuggets, they're fully back.

Speaker 6 I said, I think maybe we need to have the conversation about the Timberwolves. They look like they're still exhausted from when Tibbs coached them back in 2018.

Speaker 1 They hit the wall after game after game two.

Speaker 6 I feel like this is it. Classic Tibbs just ran his guys too hard and now they can't win another playoff game.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's tough. I mean, there's like the learning experience.

Speaker 1 I also just think that this is why I made the joke at the beginning of the series that when Cat was like the big three, and Cat played better tonight.

Speaker 1 I still

Speaker 1 don't know why he still does

Speaker 1 the three-point celebration after every shot, like in the first quarter, like we're in a March Madness tournament game and they're like a 15-seed, but whatever.

Speaker 1 Kat's going to do Cat.

Speaker 1 Anthony Edwards did not have his best night. I actually might do a game of of the year Anthony Edwards over points on Thursday night, just because I don't, if the Wolves go out, he's going to go out

Speaker 1 swinging. You know what I mean? And it sucks because he had the game on Sunday night where he was so, so good, but no one else picked him up.

Speaker 1 And then tonight you had Carl Anthony Towns actually hit some shots. It's like, where was that Sunday night? And they're just, I don't know, it sucks.
It sucks to see. They didn't have Mike Conley.

Speaker 1 They're a fun young team, but this is why the Jokic is the best and why the Nuggets are the champs. And it could, you know, we still got two games.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to write off the wolves, but it's just more, tonight was more about Jokic and just flexing on everyone. And the Nuggets, the scary part about the Nuggets is Michael Porter Jr.

Speaker 1 has not been good. And if he finds his shot and gets a little more confidence back, then you, then you're clicking on all cylinders.

Speaker 1 And because when he's going, it's like they're just an absolute terror.

Speaker 6 He's been dog shit for the last two games. I was thinking he was going to have a big night tonight, and he just didn't.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we can't revoke dog status, by the way, from Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 I think he's an old dog, right? No, that's what I'm saying. He's going to go out.
Yeah, he's going to go out barking.

Speaker 6 He's a dog. That's what he's going to do.
Maybe 2-0 is the most dangerous lead in hockey and DNBA playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Speaking of dogs, Jalen Brunson,

Speaker 1 another incredible performance. He scored 28 points in the first half.
Basically ended the Pacers right there in the first half.

Speaker 1 It was like, it was funny because the first, I don't know, five minutes of the game, Pacers got out to a lead and you're like, oh man, maybe the Knicks are cooked.

Speaker 1 And then Jalen Brunson's like, what are you talking about? I'm, I'm, I'm a star here. I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, dominate everyone.

Speaker 1 The big thing, though, for this game, I have two big thoughts. One is Tyrese Halliburton, when he looks bad,

Speaker 1 he looks like he just doesn't even want to be out there. Like he'll just kind of bounce around and just not be decisive and not attack.
And you're just like, what is this guy doing?

Speaker 1 And the other thing, this was, if if we're talking about dogs, this was the full New York Knicks, Tom Thibodeau, Nova Knicks dog display because the Knicks tonight started four guys out of their five guys

Speaker 1 were 6'4 or under because they changed up the lineup and Deuce McBride started.

Speaker 1 And the New York Knicks out-rebounded on the offensive glass a team that has, I think, three guys over 6'5 in their starting lineup, 20 to 5. 20 to 5.
Isaiah Hartenstein had 12 offensive rebounds.

Speaker 1 That's fucking ridiculous. They are just so much more physical and just take the fight to you.
And it was good to see the Knicks get off the mat after someday where they got blown out.

Speaker 1 Like they're just,

Speaker 1 when they're doing, when they're playing that bully ball and Brunson's hitting everything, they're a weird team, but they're fun and they're hard to beat.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so how many players were under 6'4?

Speaker 1 Under 6'4? is 6'4 or under four out of five of their starters tonight, the Knicks. So Brunson, Deuce McBride, Josh Hart, and Dante DiVincenzo are all 6'4 or under.
Deuce McBride and Brunson are 6'1-6

Speaker 1 feet.

Speaker 6 So Bronny to the Knicks is what we're hearing.

Speaker 1 Bronnie to the Knicks.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 6 Speaking of dogs, tonight was also the Westminster Kittle Club. It was a dog show tonight.
Was that, there's no, there's no chance that that was at MSG in the side theater, right?

Speaker 1 No, I think it was at halftime.

Speaker 2 That would be very funny. That would be funny.

Speaker 6 If they brought him out on the court, they just took a big shit.

Speaker 1 I think the Westminster Dog Show is the only thing in the world that got on COVID schedule and never got off. Because why are they doing it right now?

Speaker 6 I have no idea. Because it used to be right after the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Weird. But yeah,

Speaker 6 it was, yeah, big night for dogs. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Billy Jean King Tennis Center. What?

Speaker 1 Billy Jean King Tennis Center.

Speaker 6 Oh, he moved it to the tennis courts. That's disrespectful to the dogs, but I get it.

Speaker 1 During the playoffs, too?

Speaker 6 It would have been very funny if they had it in the Hulu Theater inside MSG while the Knicks were in a playoff game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you think they do get the

Speaker 1 tennis ball gun out for them?

Speaker 2 They should. Like American Gladiators?

Speaker 6 Fire. Have the dogs running obstacle gores?

Speaker 1 They're there. Why not?

Speaker 1 Yeah, this game, though, like the I the Knicks are just. I don't know where this is going to end for for them.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to win this series, and I think they're very overmatched against the Celtics, but you can understand why they've captured the hearts of New York, and like, just from like a fun watch,

Speaker 1 like, I don't like the Knicks, but I'm watching them, and I'm like, these guys are, I don't know what's going on, like, Alec Burks is just hitting all these shots, and Jalen Brunson can't miss, and Dante DiVincenzo's doing putbacks and then yelling.

Speaker 6 That was actually the moment where it was like the encapsulation of the the 20 to 5 offensive rebounding was uh dante di vincenzo i think it was to miles turner just being like fuck you you bitch like that's the cent that's their center and he's saying that to him so the other the other thing about the first quarter of this game is there were like seven reviews it felt like yeah scott foster they just kept they they just kept reviewing plays scott foster got a screen time in that's probably the that's the big market media bias they're trying to get more eyeballs scott foster going over to the screen getting another viewer like five times in a row.

Speaker 6 I was sure that the fix was in on something at that point. That's just entirely too much, Scott Foster, for America.

Speaker 6 Yeah, if he's on a game, the NBA should do a better job of not having him be the guy that stares directly into our souls after a review and tells us what Scott Foster thinks.

Speaker 1 He did have after that fight,

Speaker 1 what was the phrase he used? He did the review.

Speaker 1 I think double technical. No, it was hold on.
I'm going to play it.

Speaker 1 Easily dissolved. Yeah, he was like, there was a fight and it wasn't easily dissolved.
So we're going to review it. And I like that.

Speaker 1 So, like, if they had easily dissolved it, it would have been no problem. We could have just not had to review.
But he's like, listen, that didn't dissolve quick enough. What do you want me to do?

Speaker 1 I got to review this. Stop the game.

Speaker 6 Fun stat about Jalen Brunson. He is the first player with five 40-point games in the playoffs since LeBron did it in 2018.

Speaker 1 I saw the stat. It was basically Jalen Brunson.

Speaker 1 There was a stat that was five 40-point games in an eight-game stretch. And it was like Jalen Brunson, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, like Jerry West.

Speaker 1 It was basically like six guys had done it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's just been dominant.

Speaker 6 And it seems like he, I know there's a lot more to his game than this, but just watching him, it seems like he's dominant because he tries harder than everybody else on the court.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It's, it's, I mean, it's very fun to watch. I mean, Max, are you back into like Nova Knicks? Because,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm so close. I'm so close.

Speaker 1 I just need to get, I need, I need to, to win one, I need them to win one more game, and then I'm fully back. And then you're going to show, yeah, to the self-sufficiency.

Speaker 6 When it's Nova against Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What a joy that will be. But speaking of, Hank, huge win tonight for the Bruins.
Take the series back to Boston.

Speaker 1 What were your thoughts?

Speaker 6 Now, I get you're being modest, but we want to give you the platform because we want to hear what you have to say. Let's give Boston Sports its credit.
Hank, go ahead.

Speaker 1 I think your mic's muted, Hank. I think your mic's muted.

Speaker 1 This sucks for Hank. I'm going to say it right now.
I actually feel bad for Hank.

Speaker 1 The sleeping allegations lasted.

Speaker 1 He beat him for, what, three weeks? But Hank is not here.

Speaker 6 I put out a video earlier today of him snoring in the studio today before we did the show.

Speaker 1 He's going to be so bad at himself tomorrow morning. He's like, God damn it.

Speaker 6 His quote was right afterwards. He's like, all you need is a 15-minute nap.
That's all you need. You don't need to sleep any longer than 15 minutes.

Speaker 6 And you wake up and you're totally refreshed and you're good to go the rest of the day.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 6 Hank might be speaking for America here. He might be, this might be Hank's protest to the 10.30 p.m.

Speaker 6 Eastern start time for the Wolves Nuggets game because I feel bad for all the kids, all the youngsters out there who aren't able to stay up and watch their favorite teams on TV. That's too late.

Speaker 1 It's so stupid. You have the best player in the world playing, and you play him at 10.30 at night.

Speaker 1 Our friend Andrew Perloff McLovin had a great treaty. He was like

Speaker 1 8 p.m. Eastern and 10.30 Eastern for

Speaker 1 two or three stars, Jalen Brunson, Anthony Edwards, and Jokic that everyone wants to watch. And the NBA wonders why everyone's obsessed about the leak of the Cleveland Browns week five opponent.

Speaker 1 Like, what are we doing? Why is this? I mean, we're built different. We watch the games, but I don't, like, you can't stay up till one in the morning if you're on the Eastern Standard Time.
Like,

Speaker 1 what are we doing?

Speaker 6 Of the morning talk show guys out there, let's take a moment and think about what they have to go through right now. Greeny.
Oh, my God, Greenie.

Speaker 6 That game tipped off two hours after his bedtime tonight. He's supposed to get up in the morning and educate us about the finer points of basketball.

Speaker 6 I actually, I like the 10:30 start time just because it makes me feel like a man. Like, yeah, I can do it.
It's my adversity. And I embrace that.
I get through it.

Speaker 6 But then I also think about the less fortunate people out there who aren't able to stay up that late to watch sports, like our good friend Hank. And so, on Hank's behalf, that's why I'm upset.

Speaker 1 Hank will be in the rest of the show. We're going to talk about the Celtics with him.
So, this is a very brief opening on Zoom. But what do we predict Hank's text tomorrow morning is going to be?

Speaker 1 Just my bad. I did it again.

Speaker 6 I think it's going to to be just fuck. I think we're going to get a fuck from Hank.

Speaker 1 I think it'll be at like 4 a.m. He's going to like wake up on his couch and he's going to be.

Speaker 1 There's so I wish there was a fly on the wall that could just see the look on his face when he's like, fuck, I did it again.

Speaker 1 Because he just had this happen and now he's going to get, he's, it's going to stick a little bit that he's the sleep guy.

Speaker 6 Like a smart move from Hank would be to say, I'm going to go see a doctor.

Speaker 1 No, it's the documentary because he's getting up at six at like six

Speaker 1 to work out to work out at eight. That's what he told me today.
It's crazy that

Speaker 1 him just getting in shape is now his job. That golf.

Speaker 6 Listen, he's putting in grind to create content for this company.

Speaker 6 He's burning the candle at both ends right now. So it's kind of unfair of us to expect him to stay up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to reverse this on us if we're, if we're like, if we give him too much shit, he's going to be like, fine, I won't do the documentary. I won't try to dunk.
Fine.

Speaker 1 You guys want me to get, you guys want me to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? I won't dunk.

Speaker 1 so uh so later on the show we asked hank what he thinks happened already earlier tonight yeah and he i i'm not gonna give it away but but i think he's absolutely correct in his prediction yeah he nailed it um all right so so the bruins did win i was actually surprised by that i thought the bruins were dead now we go game six and then we might we we alluded to it actually uh in a minute when we talk about we need a period of the week even though it's early in the week but that we might just have the last five minutes of the week uh that canucks Oilers game.

Speaker 1 That I'm going to say the Canucks are no longer a team of destiny. Congratulations to the Canucks.
You're my team of destiny for one game.

Speaker 1 Actually, one in like almost like 1.75 of a game because them scoring to even it up with three minutes left was the biggest team of destiny thing to do.

Speaker 1 And then the Oilers scoring with like a minute left, it feels like the Oilers can now relax and be like, all right, it's 2-2. We're better.
Let's just fucking win this series. Because

Speaker 1 they were not going to win in overtime if that went to overtime.

Speaker 6 Pivotal game five coming up.

Speaker 6 I wonder if the stats are the same in hockey like they are in basketball because I think it's what, 85% somewhere around there in basketball, the team that wins game five when it's tied 2-2, they're going to have to win the series.

Speaker 6 As a sports podcast, we have to remind everybody that. I think it's legally required.
I don't know if that's the same case in hockey.

Speaker 1 Should we start the campaign that game fives are actually better than game sevens?

Speaker 1 Dude, I'm going to go to the next one. Game fives rock.

Speaker 6 I've always said, like, I don't remember the last time that a team won a game five and then lost a series. It feels like it always happens.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Game fives rock. So,

Speaker 1 all right.

Speaker 6 And a home team won finally in the Nuggets Timberwolves series.

Speaker 1 Huge. Would this be...

Speaker 6 They swung home court advantage back.

Speaker 1 I know it's not a gentleman sweep because a 4-1 is a gentleman sweep, but it feels like if they win on Thursday night,

Speaker 1 this could qualify as a gentleman sweep because it basically was two just completely separate series that happened.

Speaker 6 I think it's like a nice, a nice guy win.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It gives the wolves hope. They gave the wolves hope.

Speaker 6 They gave the wolves more than hope.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I think everybody was talking about the nuggets like they were dead.

Speaker 1 I hope this goes seven.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 I would like to see a game seven in this series.

Speaker 1 And I do, I think I might do game of the year of Anthony Edwards because I just don't, I don't see a world where he doesn't just go like he's going to take this personal.

Speaker 1 He's going to go fucking nuclear. He knows that he's the guy, he knows that it doesn't matter if Carl Anthony Towns hits a three early on and does the finger guns, it's got to be him.

Speaker 6 I'm going to wait to say if I wanted to go seven, I don't think that I do because that would probably mean maybe one more 10:30 tip-off time.

Speaker 1 That would game seven would be a Sunday or Saturday, so I think we can handle it. I don't think they would do a 10:30 on a Sunday, okay, but the NBA might be freaky like that.

Speaker 1 Um, okay, uh, so back to ourselves in studio, no ad between this and the studio, and Hank will be back. Okay, we're back in studio.
We're going to talk about Monday night's games.

Speaker 1 Hank, do you want to do a quick Celtics recap? The Celtics won, and they should easily be in the next round. Just end the series right now.
Yeah, that's good. That's good.
We can end it there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they struggle. No, that's good.
Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 1 Max Struss went five for five.

Speaker 6 Donovan Mitchell's a really good player, so it makes sense that you guys would struggle against him, right?

Speaker 1 Don Mitchell did not play. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 But Jared Allen. But you said, we said the Celtics needed a test.
They got a a test.

Speaker 1 They won a close, a first 10-point game of the playoffs, and they came out on top, which I think is a good sign, good test for a playoff team. We're on to the next round, hopefully.

Speaker 6 I have a trouble in paradise, Hank, for the Boston Celtics. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown.
You love them. You think they play well together.

Speaker 6 When Jalen Brown hit that three, I think they went up 105 to 97, about a minute left in the game. You remember that three?

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 6 Okay, after that three was hit, Tatum comes over, smacks Jalen Brown in the chest, as if to say congratulations, hits him so hard that Jalen Brown turns around, looks at him, starts yelling at him.

Speaker 6 Oh. And then they had to hold Jalen Brown back because he was mad that Tatum hit him too hard.

Speaker 1 This sounds like your father. This sounds like this.
This is like fiction.

Speaker 1 By the way, Max Schues finished five for nine, but he was five for five for a while. You want me to pull the video up, Hank?

Speaker 6 Yeah. Okay, let me find this video.
And you need to take a look at it because...

Speaker 1 I'll find my own video.

Speaker 6 Okay, find your own video then.

Speaker 1 Find the video, hank

Speaker 6 sounds like you weren't watching the game that closely because it's the first thing i noticed

Speaker 1 oh so we have a quote after uh

Speaker 1 jalen brown said yeah i'm gonna get jason back for that yeah and then jason takes he wasn't yelling at him he was yelling at someone else on the court no no he did wince he winced he winced and then he tried to storm on the court and that was like a playful wince like when today when i like touched your uh finger and you said i broke your thumb and you're never gonna be able to play guitar again look at this look at this blood.

Speaker 6 Let me see. I'm bleeding.
Oh, you can see the tendon.

Speaker 1 Did you blur that? Yeah. We got to blur that.

Speaker 6 Hey, big guy, how many beers?

Speaker 6 Zero. Yeah, you could fuck my thumb right now.
It's tight because it's so tiny.

Speaker 1 Ah, whoa, Hank.

Speaker 6 Are you talking about tight, tiny?

Speaker 1 You said tight, tiny? Don't talk about my cash that way. We just did how many beers? You said you liked it because it's tight and fine.

Speaker 1 All right, no, Drake. What?

Speaker 6 Say no Drake before you say that. No, Drake.

Speaker 1 No, Drake. Yeah, no, Jason Tatum.
Oh, here's an interesting part of this. So it looked like it was fun, all fun and games, but Jason Tatum did say, I didn't realize how hard I hit him.

Speaker 1 I've been lifting a lot lately. That's good.
He's getting stronger. It kind of fucks up your shot, though.
He's playing aggressive. He's

Speaker 1 good at aggressive basketball. He has been more aggressive.
This series just needs to end. I mean, the East, again, it's like the East really is such, it's crazy that we're going to get to a spot.
It

Speaker 1 reminds me of the Patriots where it's like, you're not going to get tested until the championship. Yeah.
You're going to find out. You're going to find out, buddy.
And we just need the fucking...

Speaker 1 Hopefully the Timber Wolves won tonight.

Speaker 6 Hank is right now very clearly in the fucking around part of the graph.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And the finding out is going to come against the West.

Speaker 1 Well, there's nothing. What are you supposed to do? No, there's nothing you can do.

Speaker 6 It's fuck around.

Speaker 1 That's what we're doing. They play boring games against really inferior opponents.
And that's not saying the Celtics aren't really good because they are.

Speaker 1 It's just everyone else is just not even close to them. Yeah.
Just Porzengas healthy, get some good reps in. I think we can still, like,

Speaker 1 I feel good. I feel good.
You feel good. You should feel good.

Speaker 6 Like, we're poking holes in the Celtics left and right.

Speaker 1 They're going to be in the finals.

Speaker 6 They're a very, very good team. We'll find out.
They're great.

Speaker 1 We need the Timberwolves. Need the Timberwolves.
Well, we already talked about that, Cain.

Speaker 1 And I feel like it was bad. Oh, I don't feel good.

Speaker 1 I don't feel good at all what we talked about.

Speaker 6 What happened earlier tonight?

Speaker 1 Nothing good. Nothing good.
Nothing good. Damn.

Speaker 1 The West, though, everyone is just beating up each other.

Speaker 1 The Thunder, I want to say, have officially earned their big boy playoff stripes because what they did on Monday night

Speaker 1 when they could not shoot at all, they were like, I think like 25% from three,

Speaker 1 played great defense, and SGA took over that game. He's so fucking good.
He's just like so deliberate, and

Speaker 1 that over-the-backboard shot he hit was incredible.

Speaker 1 Took over the game in the second half, had 22 points, and it was the, that was like a win that the Thunder needed to get where it's like, we don't have our best stuff, but we'll figure out a way to win this game.

Speaker 1 That's a tough playoff win, and uh, the Mavs defense was awesome, and the Thunder win, and I'm like, they got their big boy stripes.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was like it was a nice comeback win. They seemed to be down between seven and nine points for almost the entire game, and then they turned it on at the end.

Speaker 6 The Mavericks couldn't hit a foul shot at all.

Speaker 1 They went 12 for 23 from the free throw line. The Thunder went 23 for 24.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's the game right there. And then Luca missed that big one.
Some people are saying it was a a ball-don't lie situation. I think he did get fouled.

Speaker 1 I did, I saw this.

Speaker 1 I think he's an NFL reporter, Greg Rosenthal, tweeted, the officials should be allowed to talk shit back to Luca when he misses a big free throw. Agreed.
I agree. Agreed.

Speaker 1 Any foul merchant should get, like, the officials should get a quick 10 seconds, like, yeah, you fucking missed that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 If you were Luca's teammate, would you get sick of him just screaming at the refs the entire time?

Speaker 1 I don't know about the refs. I think I would probably get, and I

Speaker 1 like Luca when he's, he's clearly injured. Let's just say that he's clearly injured.
Everyone's dealing with something this time of year.

Speaker 1 I would say the thing that would make me more mad as a teammate is when there's like a fast break and all of a sudden Luca has the most painful injury ever. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Or like having a close conversation with a referee.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or things go poorly and it's like, oh shit, now he's really injured.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he does look like he's not pushing off his right leg as much. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he's not. You can tell, yeah, the lift is not there and his shot doesn't look as good.
And it looks like it's just everything's a little bit more difficult for him. But this game was SGA.

Speaker 1 SGA took this game over, and the Thunder won a game that they probably didn't have business winning with the way they were shooting the three.

Speaker 1 And again, big boy stripes. And I like it.
I know people will say it was corny. I like that the Thunder do the post-game interview as a full team.
Yeah, it is. I like it.

Speaker 6 It is good. They're young.

Speaker 1 They're fun.

Speaker 6 And Chet is tough. Chet, what?

Speaker 1 No, Hank. You were trying to get me back when he said that he wanted a tight, tiny pussy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's not

Speaker 1 what I thought. That's not close.
Young and fun is not the same

Speaker 1 as saying you wanted a tight, tiny pussy. I didn't say that.

Speaker 6 Young and fun could still be loose.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nice try, Hank.

Speaker 1 You put yourself in one.

Speaker 6 Chet is tough, though.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't. Chet is tough.
He also, he's got swag. Did you see this post-game?

Speaker 6 Well, he's got like Abraham Lincoln swag. Yeah.
He looks a little bit like Honest Abe.

Speaker 1 But he had the sunglasses on. He had like a pink Miami Vice shirt.
Yeah. I don't know if he's,

Speaker 1 I think he's kind of forcing it, but I'm okay with him forcing it because he's just trying to find his way in the fashion game of the NBA.

Speaker 6 Also, when you're that big and tall, I feel like that limits your fashion choices. Yes.

Speaker 6 You can't buy normal clothes.

Speaker 1 I'd agree. Shout out my guy Lou Dort for hitting that big three.

Speaker 1 That was an SGA assist. I mean, SGA, you can't say enough.
That was a game where it's like, I'm the best player on the court. Here's why.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Lou Dort on defense is so fun to watch, too. Even when he blocks your shot, it looks like he hurts you.

Speaker 1 Also, we should probably say

Speaker 1 Kyrie Irving probably needs to score more.

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, he's been good in the second half, this playoff series.

Speaker 6 That was not his game. No.
He was way off.

Speaker 1 And they need him to be that guy because their defense is real. Like, the Mavs have been playing great defense.
And if Luca is hampered, Kyrie, you need to pick it up.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I was thinking about this series. Do you think there are fans up in Oklahoma City that grew up Dallas Mavericks fans, and they have to act now like that never happened to them in this series?

Speaker 1 I think, no, I think they were just Sooner fans.

Speaker 6 Or they were just

Speaker 6 Seattle fans. They just didn't know it yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also, it works because it is Sooner versus a little bit.
There's probably some crossover of Sooner versus Texas.

Speaker 6 It's a Red River rivalry in basketball form, yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah, no, I think, I think Oklahoma fans before that were

Speaker 1 just Sooner fans and possibly Cowboys fans.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Cowboys fans.

Speaker 1 They didn't dip into the other stuff.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I do know that there are a lot of people from North Texas that are close to like the Panhandle area that are big-time Sooner fans. Yeah.
Like it's not just right along state lines. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so hockey real quick. The Stars look like maybe the best team in the playoffs, especially because the Rangers lost.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 memes. It was a clobbering.

Speaker 1 Memes,

Speaker 1 starting to feel good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 3-2?

Speaker 1 3-2. Gonna be a sweep.

Speaker 1 Nah, the Rangers are still gonna win. Are they? Yeah, they're the best team.
Oh, I see what he's doing.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the old reverse chinks.

Speaker 1 They got the best goalie. They're going back to Carolina.
They play good at Carolina. Carolina goalie stinks.

Speaker 1 I'm mad at myself about the Stars because Ryan Whitney did tell me they were the best team before the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they were pretty adamant about that. But they did say this is going to go seven.
Could go seven. Who?

Speaker 1 Dallas, Colorado. The Avalanche said that?

Speaker 6 No, the Chicklets boys.

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't think so. You think so? There was a moment in that game in the second period

Speaker 1 where it was 18-3 in shots. The Avalanches weren't able to get pucks on net at all.
And listen, if we know one thing about hockey, especially playoff hockey.

Speaker 6 You got to shoot the puck. It's pucks on net.
You got to shoot the puck. Good things happen when you put the puck on net.
Pucks on net mean everything.

Speaker 6 I still think that one of the maybe ahead of hitting a curveball, the hardest thing to do, at least to my untrained eye, is what hockey players seem to do all the time, which is just deflect a shot off the end of their stick, a shot that's coming in super fast.

Speaker 6 Yep. And they just casually redirect it into the court of the net.
It's the coolest thing. It's so cool.
Dirty goals.

Speaker 6 You need those dirty goals in the muck screen out the goalie yep put a puck on that there was a knuckle puck shot the other that was in the bruins game right i feel like that's more the uh

Speaker 1 you just put your stick up and then the shooter shoots it at your stick you think it's more on the shooter no but there are i've seen sometimes where it's like they're directly shooting at like there's you know know where the stick is going to be and they're shooting for that but the coolest ones obviously sometimes when they turn the yeah the coolest ones are when a guy will like almost hit down on the puck as it's in the air yeah and it will just change the complete trajectory those might be the coolest goals.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the goalie has no chance at it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we still need a period of the week this week. Wasn't a great, wasn't great two hockey games on Monday night.

Speaker 6 Not a great couple nights for periods. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so we'll find a period of the week. Should we do some Hot Sea Cool Throne? And then we got two great interviews.
Sure. Woge and Shane Bacon getting us ready for

Speaker 1 Valhalla, the PGA Championship.

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Speaker 1 By By the way, speaking of hot seat, cool throne, can we get the AC back on in here? Jake, you did that. What?

Speaker 1 Say said that you turned it off. I haven't been here in a week.
I know. I think you turned it off a week ago.
Has it been this hot all week? Yeah. It's been really hot.

Speaker 7 I mean, it was freezing, and I did it.

Speaker 1 Do you see? See? See? But it was either freezing.

Speaker 1 Wait, did you just admit to doing it? No, he did. He 100% admitted to it.
When it was freezing, I pressed up. Yeah.
How did you ever press up on that?

Speaker 6 I don't remember. Would you rather be hot or cold?

Speaker 1 I think too cold's better than too hot. Because too cold, you can layer up.
I'd rather be cold all day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you're too hot, you're screwed. Yeah.
My hair was just crazy there. Jake, you're not allowed to touch that.
Okay. I'm just saying.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Because, like, we can't do the guy who might have the most sensitivity towards temperature just doing that. It was freezing in here last night.

Speaker 6 It was not. It was pretty cold.

Speaker 1 It was cold, but it's way better than what it is now. Is it the same in there as it is in here? Is that even...
It's fucking hot as fuck in here. But I don't even know that that's related.

Speaker 1 No, no, he touched this one. I know, that's what I'm saying.
But he said it was because it was cold in there. Oh, good point.
No, he,

Speaker 1 he was, we were watching something in here. Oh, it was when we were doing the

Speaker 1 when we were watching Netflix, I think. Oh.

Speaker 6 And it was, and it was cold, and you were like...

Speaker 1 Jake, you got to figure out how to turn that back cold.

Speaker 6 It might kill Mr. Perrot.

Speaker 1 We're getting, we're getting. Mr.
Pear prefers it hot.

Speaker 1 a hot it's a hot box in here yeah it's a hot box does mr pair prefer it hot is that fact yes is it hot in the studio right now yeah it's hot in here why do you have your sweatshirt hood up i don't know wait

Speaker 6 about it did we did we change the temperature in the studio to like 85 degrees for our turtle no no i think i think it was because we already we already found the

Speaker 1 culprit yeah jake did it he admitted it yeah

Speaker 1 he denied it and then admitted it's hot yeah yeah it's hot so hot and i jake i need to be able to wear a sweatshirt I'm fat. That's really what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I need to be able to layer up. That's why I like it.

Speaker 6 Don't lie twice, Jake.

Speaker 2 Yeah, don't lie twice.

Speaker 1 Hank's spicy.

Speaker 1 I like it. I like a spicy.
Fresh off a nap. Fresh off a nap looking for a tight, tiny pussy.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is Bronnie James. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I never thought I'd say this because I hate his dad so much, but

Speaker 1 I feel bad for him. Like,

Speaker 1 he's in a terrible spot. He's in a terrible spot.
He is at the Combine this week. People are debating whether he should even be at the Combine.
You know, in every roster,

Speaker 1 media report or whatever, he said he's 6'4. He measured in at 6'1.
Does have a big wingspan. He's like, has like a 6'8 person's wingspan and a 41-inch vertical, which is high.
I'll be up there soon.

Speaker 6 Wait, did he say he was 6'4, or was it his dad who

Speaker 1 was? He was listed in all the media guides as 6'4. But that one's easy.
You can just say they measured him in shoes. Yeah, LeBron's trying to fix it now.
Memes is definitely not going to fix it.

Speaker 6 LeBron definitely told the media, yeah, he's 6'4.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
And then,

Speaker 1 and he played in a scrimmage.

Speaker 1 He had four points, four rebounds, but the four points are getting blasted out by every single media outlet being like Bronnie James at the Combine, and he just hit a floater in a shot.

Speaker 1 And then you look up the stats being like, oh, is he, you know, the floater was nice. He had a nice floater.
But then if you look up his stats, it's like the same as what he was doing at USC.

Speaker 1 and it's like he's going to get drafted. It's just a tough spot.
He's in a tough spot. I feel bad.
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 I never thought I'd get here, but I do agree with you because it's just a simple question. Would Bronnie James be at the combine and be drafted if his name wasn't Bronnie James? The answer is no.

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 6 Probably not.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not.

Speaker 6 Probably not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it sucks, and he knows that deep down, and it's like not his fault. He wants to just play ball.

Speaker 6 There's, I mean, there is a chance that a team would draft him, though, just to be like, come on, LeBron.

Speaker 1 They will. He's going going to, I think.
We're going to talk about it with Woats. Yeah, I bet against it.
And that's probably why I've been tracking it so closely.

Speaker 1 Because when I first saw it, I was like, I think it was over under 32.5.

Speaker 1 And I thought it was the lock of the year. And now

Speaker 1 I feel like he's going to get drafted. Yeah.
No. Possibly even high.
Wait.

Speaker 1 He could get drafted anywhere in the second round. You'd lose that bet.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 What numbers?

Speaker 1 You said 32.5?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you know there's there's two rounds?

Speaker 6 Did you know there's 30 NBA teams, not 30?

Speaker 1 And there's two rounds? Right, but basically saying, like, oh, you think he's going to be a first rounder or basically? No, I think he's going to be a, like, that's what I thought.

Speaker 1 Second round or worse. Got it.
Got it. That's what I bet on.
Yeah, yeah. I think that's still a safe bet.

Speaker 1 After I bet it, obviously, I've looked into it more, and the more the days go by, the worse I feel. That's right.
But I also don't know what to believe.

Speaker 1 I think he's still going to go in that 30s, 40s range. So I think that's still a good bet.

Speaker 1 And then my cool throne, Jared Goff.

Speaker 6 Yeah, congrats, Jared. Way to go, buddy.

Speaker 1 When, when do we ask for

Speaker 1 what? His fiancé? His fiancé. When do we ask for

Speaker 1 when do we ask for our money?

Speaker 1 That's a good question.

Speaker 6 How much does he owe us?

Speaker 1 Something. Probably like 10.
I don't know what the agreement was, but

Speaker 1 if it was

Speaker 1 10%, probably 10 mil. 10%.

Speaker 6 Phrase this. 10%

Speaker 6 or

Speaker 6 Super Bowl suite with Bull Bar.

Speaker 1 You should just Venomo request him for like $2 million.

Speaker 6 Oh, can you? Just see what he does? Just see what happens. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Is that possible?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Probably not.
No, he got a money. Oh, no, Apple Cash.
Apple Cash.

Speaker 6 He got a bunch of money guaranteed, too. It's a good contract for him.

Speaker 1 Request.

Speaker 1 I feel like one of the best NFL contracts I've ever seen. It's good.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you have to pay your quarterback. And the Lions had a choice to make, probably a choice to make last year before last season.
Do you want to draft somebody?

Speaker 6 Or do you want to try to just see what Jared's got? They rolled Jared and he made him very happy.

Speaker 1 Shit,

Speaker 1 they don't let you do more than 10 grand?

Speaker 6 Write in the comments, like, expect

Speaker 1 first pack

Speaker 6 100 more of these. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, just do parentheses one slash 100.
All right, I'm doing all right. Apple

Speaker 6 very important thread.

Speaker 1 Requests. All right, so I sent him the requests.

Speaker 6 If you send him one of those every day, like put a calendar reminder, he's probably going to accept one.

Speaker 1 I think he might accept this first one just for

Speaker 1 $10,000 request and then parentheses first payment. Yep.

Speaker 1 Good for him, though.

Speaker 6 Good for him.

Speaker 6 When the trade happened, everybody was saying they're going to use Jared Goff as a bridge quarterback. Yeah.
Now he's not a bridge.

Speaker 1 No, it's awesome. I'm so happy for him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It felt like there was, yeah, when he got traded for the Rins, it's like, oh, his career's over, and now

Speaker 1 he's proven everyone wrong. Second career.
Yeah. Love it.
Love it. What were you saying about his fiancée? Well, I was joking.

Speaker 1 I was saying my cool throne is Jared Goff because his fiancé is a sports illustrated model again.

Speaker 1 And then was going to mention the extension. Oh.
A little bait and switch.

Speaker 6 Gotcha.

Speaker 1 Well, no, you guys kind of. No, you said that.
You guys cut me off. I wasn't able to.
No, you said Jared Goff first. I said Jared Goff.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 And then I was going to say, because

Speaker 1 fiancé

Speaker 1 just got announced as a but I cut I cut you off because I wanted to know how much money we should get. Right, yeah.
It was fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But congrats, X2. Yeah.
What a guy. Yes.

Speaker 6 My hot seat is Portals.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Portals on the hot seat. So there's a portal that was opened up a week ago, and it's a portal that one end of it is in New York City, I believe, Times Square.
The other is in Dublin, Ireland.

Speaker 6 And they had to shut it down earlier today. So they closed the portal down.
They're trying to fix it. Why was the portal closed down, you might ask? Good question.

Speaker 6 It's a giant screen where you could step in front of it. And then you see a video of if you're in New York, you see Dublin, Ireland.
You get to wave to people, say whatever you want to them.

Speaker 6 Well, some of the videos that have gone viral recently have visitors that are lining up pretending to snort cocaine. They're throwing up the birds, two middle fingers.

Speaker 6 It says miming snorting cocaine.

Speaker 6 So I don't know. Yeah, like you're in New York City.
Or Dublin. Or Dublin, and you're pretending to snort cocaine.

Speaker 6 Some people have just flashed their boobs. One visitor in Dublin pulled up an image of 9-11

Speaker 6 that showed the Twin Towers burning and held it up to the portal camera. And people from New York took offense to that.
So

Speaker 6 they're switching it off temporarily until they figure out a technical solution to the inappropriate behavior.

Speaker 6 They tried to re-upload the software to have blurring on it, where if they saw boobs, they could blur it. I don't know.
I don't know how that works.

Speaker 6 Now you have some guy that's like monitoring the portal 24-7,

Speaker 6 hitting the blur button, but that wasn't satisfactory. So they close it down on Tuesday, and they're hoping to resume the live stream later on the week.

Speaker 6 What they did was they essentially created Twitter in video format. Yeah.
Just like absolutely no repercussions, whatever.

Speaker 6 If you get two random people on Earth and be like, here, hang out with this person on the other side of the world, you're going to get people that are being dickheads about it.

Speaker 1 I love this story so much because it was some tech nerds that spent years and years coming up with this technology and they just forgot the simple fact that people suck. People are assholes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like they did everything right, and then they just didn't have one regular person sitting in the room being like, Hey, is there any chance someone puts up like a picture of the Twin Towers?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And like, no one even said that.
And like, hey, is there any chance someone like, you know, flashes them, moons them, like, does something really crass?

Speaker 1 Like, nah, this is going to be, everyone's going to love this because you get to connect across, you know, the world.

Speaker 6 It's cross-culture relationship building

Speaker 6 in countries. How great is that? Technology has reached such an outstanding place where now you can make friends with somebody halfway around the world.

Speaker 6 And then you get in front of the camera and you just do a line of cocaine in front of it. I'm so fucking lit.

Speaker 1 This is dudes rock. Dudes continue to rock.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so that's another good point. Is what percentage of these activities do you think were done by dudes? I would say about 100% of them.

Speaker 1 I saw a girl flashing. Okay.
Okay. That's kind of a dude thing, though.
Yeah. That's like a cool dude girl.

Speaker 6 If it was a girl on the other end of the portal, she wouldn't just like flash a chick, probably yeah she'd be like here dudes yeah i think it was like old woman oh old woman oh really on the other side yeah

Speaker 1 open it back up yeah open up that portal did you guys see the guy uh jerking off with the gas in his ass yeah

Speaker 1 yeah oh pft i gotta show you now i'm good i'm good no no no no no really makes you think yeah i'm gonna see the thing is i'm gonna watch this video and be like i wonder what this video is of and it's gonna be a guy jacking off with gas in his ass oh you're just getting you're find it for us you never you never uh

Speaker 1 giving yourself a little

Speaker 1 juice. Yeah.
Speaking of the portal, Jake, did you? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 I don't even know how to describe it. Just getting himself going.
Topping himself off. No, that's not him.

Speaker 1 Jake, what did you think about Grant Hill's use of a play where Derek Lively and Chet Holmgren both fell down at the same time? I didn't see it. This is the guy.
Hold on. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, who out there hasn't done that? The worst is he gets seen and he's got a hog, too.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's not bad. That's soft.

Speaker 1 I like

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 6 He's shooting. He's injecting gasoline into the past and cranking the hog.
Yeah. Okay, I need to know what college football team hat is that he's working.
It looks like Tennessee.

Speaker 6 It looks like Tennessee Orange to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I like to believe that the person behind the camera maybe yelled, like, hey, you got to pay inside first. Oh, wait.

Speaker 6 What language? Is that Italian?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah, this guy's a pervert.
Yeah. Big-time pervert.
Oh, I just saw what you're talking about. Yeah, so Gran Hill, when Derek Lively and

Speaker 1 Chet Holmgren both fell down last night, he said the two towers falling down.

Speaker 6 I heard that, yeah.

Speaker 1 I heard that. I chose it.
People were getting mad. It's like, who cares? I mean, yeah, it's like you used the words wrong, whatever.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Is that how you pump gas in Italy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's actually exactly how you get it started. Yeah.
Yeah. You got to prime it in your asshole.

Speaker 1 Cranking off. That's a good video, though.
You got to do it. No, it's a great video.

Speaker 1 That's one of those ones that, like, there's sometimes we share videos with each other where I'm like, I wish you hadn't shared that. Yeah, that's good.
That's one you needed to see.

Speaker 6 I'm glad that I saw that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's probably Max's relative from somewhere way down the line.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's definitely a Delente. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got Delente all over him. All right, my hot seat

Speaker 1 is, wait, fuck, I had it, and then I lost it in my head. I'll go to my cool throne.
I'll come back to my hot seat because I had one in my head, and I've lost it.

Speaker 1 My cool throne is

Speaker 1 college basketball because Doug Gottlieb got a job.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I saw that. Good for him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Very happy. He's UW Green Bay coach.

Speaker 6 Is he going to be doing media while he does that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's doing his radio show. He's multitasking.
Really? Yeah. Oh, shit.
I didn't realize that. That was like unprecedented.
That is pretty crazy. Okay, good for Doug Gottlieb.

Speaker 1 Oh, I had a cool throne. He goes got a new team.
Yeah. I had a cool throne too.

Speaker 6 Cool throne, you can use this for your hot seat in some way, shape, or form. Your hot seat should be Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that was what my hot seat was.

Speaker 6 Because my cool throne is the NFL schedule release.

Speaker 1 Yes, yeah. That was what my hot seat was.

Speaker 1 So today,

Speaker 6 Wednesday, the schedule release is coming. But right now, we've got some, what?

Speaker 1 No, no, you're about to say it.

Speaker 6 We've got a couple games that have been announced already, but the full schedule is being released on Wednesday. Hank is spicy, right? Spicy.
No, that was spicy.

Speaker 1 I was agreeing with you. That was like, I hate how they don't just like, it's like

Speaker 1 you see stuff getting released today. It's like, oh, the schedules got released? Agreed.
No, that's tomorrow.

Speaker 6 They just tickle us. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was agreeing. That was a, that was like a, I was like echoing.

Speaker 6 Gotcha. So they've dropped a couple nuggets on us already.
They've got Ravens, Chiefs opening up the season. I'm going to watch that game.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 6 That's a good matchup. We've got Eagles, Packers, and Brazil, obviously.
We've got the Jets and the 49ers playing Monday night football in the opener.

Speaker 1 Wait, Monday Night Football in the opener? In the opener.

Speaker 1 Who played Monday Night Football in the opener last year?

Speaker 6 That's the Jets and the Bills played last year.

Speaker 1 So, and that didn't go well.

Speaker 1 They won. No, they won.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. They did win.
The pregame went well. Yeah, the pregame went well.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the Jets Feds were very happy afterwards because they beat the Bills. Remember that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Memes. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Are they going to have Aaron Rodgers come back out with the American flag again?

Speaker 1 Somebody at the NFL office is a sick fuck.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So not only is it Aaron Rodgers on Monday Night Football, but it's also Floyd, the guy that was sacking Rodgers.

Speaker 1 Leonard Floyd, yeah.

Speaker 6 Leonard Floyd, is now on the 49ers. Pair for life.
So it's going to be a matchup of Floyd against Rodgers Achilles again.

Speaker 1 Memes,

Speaker 1 how are you feeling?

Speaker 1 Bad. If Aaron Rodgers gets another season-ending injury, I'm going to strap a bomb to my chest and go to the NFL office.

Speaker 1 Blow up.

Speaker 6 All right, so I'm not.

Speaker 1 Just for the first game. Just for the first game.

Speaker 1 Season-ending injury.

Speaker 6 Memes,

Speaker 6 you're making me root for an Aaron Rodgers injury so badly.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm not.

Speaker 1 I'm not rooting for it.

Speaker 6 I don't want to. I don't want to, but since you just said that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not. I'd be a hero in New York.
Memes, I am not rooting for an Aaron Rodgers injury because I saw it this morning and I tweeted out Aaron Rodgers' other Achilles

Speaker 1 can do the funniest thing possible. Jets fans fans are being pussies about that.
I'm not hoping he gets hurt. It would be

Speaker 1 funny. Funny.

Speaker 1 Like, it wouldn't. I don't want it to happen.
But it kind of sounds like it kind of did. No, if it happened,

Speaker 1 that would be crazy. That was a correct joke.
People are just taking their anger out from the NFL onto you,

Speaker 1 which they should be taking out on the NFL because of scheduled. I got to remind Jets fans, like, do you think, like,

Speaker 1 I go online every day and just get abuse about the quarterbacks that I root for. Yeah.
Every single day. I'm like those.
the, you remember the story about like the Facebook

Speaker 1 quality control people who had legit PTSD from all the horrific things they saw? That's me in my mentions with Bears quarterbacks. So I make one little joke.

Speaker 1 Don't be a baby about it. I don't want him to get hurt.
Yeah, I do. I like Aaron Rodgers on the Jets.

Speaker 6 I do not want Aaron Rodgers to get hurt. But if it did happen, then we'd have to just be like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 This is, this is insane.

Speaker 1 I would have to delete that tweet if he got hurt.

Speaker 6 No, you have to let it stand.

Speaker 6 Actually, yeah because memes would memes yeah bomb clip would definitely take take precedence yeah that'd be a big time they already knew yeah also uh second i mean i after that i don't know how you can't not root for it i think yeah memes just put us in a spot memes is gonna get arrested if that's what's gonna happen there's gonna be no he's gonna be dead no but right after right after he hypothetically tears his other achilles there's gonna be the fbi at memes' door taking him into custody they're gonna kick his door down yeah and then they're gonna shoot mr par

Speaker 1 who's coming at us he's trying to attack us memes at least it's not happening at least not at met life on that bad turf yeah that's true

Speaker 1 i wish they would have made it sunday night football yeah well it just gets a different night of the week yeah yeah just change the vibe up i mean he memes is right he's aaron rodgers is one for one tearing his achilles on monday night football yep in his last one yeah that's true that's true in a jets uniform his only weakness yeah just like the real achilles i hope he doesn't get hurt i want it on the record stop being pussy's Jets fans.

Speaker 6 So there's another matchup that another fan base is pissed off about. The second Thursday night game is Dolphins Bills, but it's in Miami.

Speaker 6 And Dolphins fans are pissed off because it's a night game, and the Dolphins are like, our 12th man is the sun. And they're taking away our game against.

Speaker 6 We were going to have a home game against Josh Allen where it was going to be too hot for him. And now they're not letting the sun come out.

Speaker 6 And so this is the NFL hating the Dolphins again. Wow.
That to me is loser talk.

Speaker 1 That's the biggest reach of all time. Also, night games are the best.
Big time loser talk. Yeah.
You want night games.

Speaker 6 You want your crowd to be pumped up, a little bit drunk, a lot bit drunk, and to be the big home field advantage. They're counting on the sun to show up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even just as fans, like if you're going to the game, I would imagine if you live in Miami. Are we going to go to Bears Patriots?

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. If the leaks are correct, it's week four Thursday night.
Hell yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Hell yeah. I went through the schedule because I saw the leaks.

Speaker 1 We could record after. Yeah.
I mean, it's... We could actually record from maybe I'll get Vanny Woodhead fixed back up.
That would be sick. Tattoo bet.
Where is Vanny Woodhead? Who knows?

Speaker 1 Get it fixed up. That thing is never getting here.

Speaker 6 I heard it might be getting here soon.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 6 I heard a rumor that somebody contacted someone in this office to ask for assistance, getting Vanny Woodhead, which is pretty much somebody in New York.

Speaker 6 calling our office and be like, can you do this for me? I'm not going to name any names as to who that might be.

Speaker 1 That person sounds super reliable.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to name any names. I might be partially to blame because I do think I walked up to somebody in this office and just walked by.
I was like, hey,

Speaker 1 we should get Vanny Woodhead here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then maybe she, because she's very good at her job, might have followed up. Okay.
And

Speaker 6 offered assistance.

Speaker 1 Offered assistance. Okay.
All right. So it might be.
But yeah, well, it'd be great if it just showed up. It would be great.

Speaker 1 It would be perfect tailgate video. Yeah, right.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 so my cool throwing was Doug Gotley. My hot seat is Eric Adams, New York mayor, our former mayor.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see this clip?

Speaker 6 It's not going to be as funny as when he went through that room showing, like, here's, look, it's an eight ball of cocaine. Look behind this pillow.
Oh, it's a gun.

Speaker 1 It's not as funny. That was the funniest clip.
It's more like, what did he just say?

Speaker 1 He was essentially saying that we have to find a way to have illegal immigrants get jobs in New York and in America. and he said they're excellent swimmers.
Why can't we have a lifeguard shortage?

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 did he really say that?

Speaker 1 Eric Adams is

Speaker 6 a fucking maniac.

Speaker 1 Pull off the clip. He said that.
He's fucking crazy. The woman next to him was like, kind of did like a wait.
Wait, what? What did you just say?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 They're excellent swimmers.

Speaker 1 They're excellent swimmers, and we have a lifeguard shortage. Let's see.
Here's the clip.

Speaker 9 Jobs that we are in high demand,

Speaker 9 we could expedite.

Speaker 9 How do we have a large body of people that are in our city and country that are excellent swimmers,

Speaker 9 and at the same time, we need lifeguards?

Speaker 1 That's like a wind horse. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 I just figured out the whole

Speaker 1 illegal immigrants situation.

Speaker 6 That is wild.

Speaker 1 Lifeguards.

Speaker 1 Wild. Maniac.
How do you even know there's a lifeguard shortage?

Speaker 1 Of all the things that you're dealing with as the mayor of New York,

Speaker 1 I can't imagine lifeguard shortages is anywhere on any list. Yeah, what even like the East River? Yeah, like what? We're not talking about Long Island.

Speaker 6 He's the mayor of New York City. Correct.

Speaker 6 There's one beach in Staten Island.

Speaker 1 There was one in Latin America.

Speaker 6 There's probably nobody that wants to work there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was one little rocky beach where I used to live in Brooklyn on the East River. Didn't need a lifeguard.
No one went in the water.

Speaker 6 There's Coney Island.

Speaker 1 Yup. Okay, that's

Speaker 1 fair. Coney Island.

Speaker 6 We got a higher peak for Coney Island. We forgot about Coney Island.
You got to watch out for the Coney Island box jellyfish, which are just filled diapers that are floating out in the water.

Speaker 1 50 lifeguards got to get you over the hump for the shortage. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, how many.

Speaker 6 Good start.

Speaker 1 How many could you really need? There's that other island,

Speaker 1 George's. Sandal's Island.
No. Governor's Island.
No. No.
There's another. No.
It's not.

Speaker 1 Ellis. Epstein.
Okay, we're just naming islands, boys. We got it.
Hank thinking about Epstein.

Speaker 6 Hank. That's the first island that came to your mind.
Bad show with a lot of islands out there, buddy.

Speaker 1 There, you're having a bad show.

Speaker 1 Oh, I guess, is Block Island part of New York City? No. That's like Rhode Island.
Rhode Island. No, what's the one where...

Speaker 1 Fire Island. Fire Island.
I was going to say where the gay people are. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Fire Island. Fire Island.
I think that's Long Island. That's Long Island.
Yeah, yeah. It's looking like

Speaker 1 it might be part of... Also, there's pools in Central Park.

Speaker 1 They actually did build a pool in Dumbo, too, in the East River, which is real, like, kind of fucked up. They built a pool inside the water.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's one of the ones that has the divider in between. So you're in the East River, but not in the East River water.

Speaker 1 Rockaway Beach is what I was looking for. Okay, yep.
There it is. Yep, in Queensland.
It's that little fucking thing that comes out. Yeah.
And they got Coney Island. Yeah, Manhattan Beach.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So there's a couple.

Speaker 6 They're excellent swimmers. Excellent swimmers.

Speaker 1 That was a little. We got a

Speaker 1 little New York geography for everyone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Jake. By the way, Jake, great job on the call.
Thank you, guys. You're fantastic.

Speaker 1 Yes, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 I liked your TikTok when you showed us behind the scenes and

Speaker 1 all your prep. It's a fucking lot of work.
It is.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Jake, I thought you did a great job this weekend.

Speaker 6 Congratulations on the real two that you shot on Saturday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, congrats.

Speaker 1 That was great.

Speaker 6 As a great real two, Jake.

Speaker 1 Yeah, emphasizing the real two because people

Speaker 1 threw allegations that the one was not real.

Speaker 1 That's why I said that's why I said it. But people twisting it trying to stir the pod for me saying it to PFT when I would never do that.
Well, PFT did hit it on the green and said that's a two. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because Berman said it. So people were saying, well, it's kind of a fake, you know, fake two.

Speaker 6 Actually, nobody said it was a fake two at the time. Now everyone's saying it's a fake two because Jake said his was a real two.

Speaker 1 A real. If Berman tells me

Speaker 1 the most hard emphasis on real I've ever heard

Speaker 1 a hater. It was a hard R.
That's what it was. No, that was.

Speaker 1 I I think you should go right at PFT. Like, PFT, you're a pussy.
I got a real two.

Speaker 1 Max, I think you should shut the fuck up.

Speaker 6 Hey, is anybody out there shocked that Max has an opinion about the number two?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, two, two, two sodas. Well, no, also.
I was going to jump in second.

Speaker 6 Actually, now that you bring it up, yeah, two sodas and finishing in second.

Speaker 1 And clogging your toilet.

Speaker 1 Don't forget you clicked your toilet. Never did that.
Chris London in your toilet. No, I have done that.

Speaker 1 It's a two if you hit it on the green. You did that, so that's a a real rule.
Yeah, hit it to 15 feet.

Speaker 1 That's not a real rule.

Speaker 6 No, it's a boomer rule, and so I'm going to count it. If Boomer says it's a two, it's a two.
So it's a

Speaker 1 real Jake.

Speaker 1 But Jake is a real, you got a boomer, too. He got a real ten.
He's being a real asshole right there.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 6 Jake, how far away from the pen was your show?

Speaker 1 It was about 27 feet. That's cute.
Jake,

Speaker 1 the good news is you could win this argument if we just do like another two hours of this show because we'll die in here.

Speaker 1 Sweat us out. Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 6 No, that's a good shot, Jake.

Speaker 1 If you guys were happy for you, thank you. If I was responsible for you, until you said real time, I would just

Speaker 1 probably join you. No, if you were responsible.

Speaker 1 I'm the only one who's not killing myself. I don't want that.
I don't want that. That's the easy way out.

Speaker 1 If you were responsible for our deaths, you'd have to strap a bomb and go to the NFL headquarters. No, you'd have to do a show first, and then just then people would really look

Speaker 6 thick.

Speaker 6 Do a live stream. At the end of this podcast, I will detonate myself.

Speaker 1 Oh, that would be electric.

Speaker 6 You get so many numbers.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 That's too far. That's only

Speaker 1 kill us. Should that be our NFL bet this year?

Speaker 1 Detonate bet. If you guys all died, Jake and I would put out a banger the next day.
No, you wouldn't. Oh, yeah.
Banger. What would you talk about? Your death? Okay, that's true.
Good point.

Speaker 1 You remember when they died? It would be like 10 minutes. It'd be like, yeah, they died.

Speaker 1 Black roast. Last show ever.
Yeah. But people would listen.

Speaker 6 No, the bet should be somebody should get shot. No.

Speaker 6 Fleshy part of the thigh. No.

Speaker 1 what

Speaker 6 sopranos did it

Speaker 1 yeah someone should get Phil Leotardo'd when he got someone should have to do the gas the gas station oh I like that

Speaker 1 I like that if we blur it out I'm willing to do that to completion yeah no if people are if we blur that video out if that we put out I'm willing to have that be the stakes

Speaker 1 we'll talk about it

Speaker 1 I mean that would be so funny if someone had to put a fucking gas up their ass while they tried tried to jerk on.

Speaker 6 You accidentally light yourself on fire. Somebody's like, he died protesting a noble cause.
No, he's jacking off at a gas station.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. You don't understand.
This is because we did four picks on Christmas Day. I lost because of that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Yeti.

Speaker 1 We're all over.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is Zach Campbell. Zach Campbell has some competition because something crazy had happened in Seattle last night.

Speaker 1 And this guy wasn't planning on it, but he caught a foul ball on back-to-back pitches in the same exact spot. What? That might be harder than the lottery, a hole in one.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. It's crazy.
Crazy. Crazy.

Speaker 6 Is that more impressive than Fernando Tatis hitting two Grand Slams in the same inning?

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 1 I think it is. I think it might be.

Speaker 6 Because how many people go to... Because that's complete luck.

Speaker 1 Tatis, you have to have some skill. So that's just crazier.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's insane.

Speaker 1 Did he actually catch both of them? Um, it may have bounced, but either way, okay, he caught the first one off his chest, yeah, because I was gonna say, that's skill too.

Speaker 1 If you if he actually caught both of them, then

Speaker 1 I think the second one he had to bend down,

Speaker 6 yeah. Second one looked like it bounced right in front of him, but that's insane.

Speaker 1 It's it was nuts when I saw it. I was like, Jesus Christ.
And you're right, Zach Hample is definitely like he's gonna use that as a motivation. Bomb, it's not him.

Speaker 6 Okay, so this guy's wearing a real low-fitting hat. He's got big sunglasses on.
Nobody else has has sunglasses in the crowd.

Speaker 6 There's a chance that this guy was like skipping out on work and trying to lay low at the ballpark. And then he caught two foul balls back to back.

Speaker 6 And then no chance he gets away with it now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So that was crazy. Michael.
Oh, wait, Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 Breaking Moose. Just hotter in there.

Speaker 1 It's hot as fucking here. Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 I have received a response to our payment request.

Speaker 1 I'm not allowed to pay off gambling debts.

Speaker 1 It's a good response. Oh, that is a good response.

Speaker 6 You're in this situation. You're e-pay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a very good response by Jared.

Speaker 1 He'll pay us some money.

Speaker 1 That's smart. It's a great response by him, yeah.
And then I want to respond being like, I swear it's not gambling debts, but

Speaker 1 it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're cool throwing. Cool throw them.

Speaker 1 We talk about it with Shane Bacon a little bit, but the AWLs, because the PGA championship put Brooks Kepka, Max Homa homa in the same group yes love it yeah we're guys and speeth who's just an absolute wild card yeah but speeth is definitely a name that you look at and you're like oh what if what if for sure no yeah he's seven years ago he'll either be like crazy erratic or crazy hot but it's he's an entertaining he's a super entertaining golfer he just better play fast they both play fast i saw people saying

Speaker 1 brooks is going to have to walk slow i don't know i don't know about the i don't know if this is true i don't know if this is true i don't want to say this on the record but I am.

Speaker 1 They were saying that Speeth and Max are both really fast.

Speaker 1 So they were joking that Brooks

Speaker 1 is going to have to walk slow. Like, he's going to have to try and slow himself down.
Oh, you think they're too fast for. I think Brooks will go as fast as anyone will allow him to.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he just steps up and hits it sometimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. The VJ account should take a picture of them and say, what do you think these guys are talking about? Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're probably talking about us. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The narcissist.

Speaker 1 Definitely talking about us.

Speaker 6 That's all. If you've been on the show one time, that's all you ever think about.

Speaker 1 They're probably like, can you believe that Max thought PFT was talking about two sodas when he was really talking about him finishing second and everything? Yeah. He'll definitely say.

Speaker 1 Or maybe they're like, can you believe that Jake's trying to kill them via the thermostat?

Speaker 6 Yeah, or maybe like they get a birdie on a par three. That was a real two, Max.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right, let's get to our interviews.
We've got great interviews. Woge.
I think I got that wrong. That's okay.
We're not a fact-check podcast. We never have been.
Yeah, they're slow. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 God damn it. That's bad.

Speaker 1 But I didn't say it on the record. So you got it totally wrong.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's why it's.

Speaker 6 But no, no, he, no, he got it kind of half right by being wrong because Brooks will walk slow

Speaker 6 so that he can not stand over his ball for a long time.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Apologies.

Speaker 6 Do you wish that on golf courses, Hank, the holes were a little bit smaller?

Speaker 1 Teeny, tiny?

Speaker 1 I wish they were bigger. I wish it was like the

Speaker 1 soccer golf holes. Tiny hole? It's a big old hole.

Speaker 6 All right, let's go. Hank hates it because there's 18 of them.
He wishes there was maybe one less, a couple less.

Speaker 1 Stop it. All right, let's get to our interview.
Wojin

Speaker 1 and Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 6 And now here's Woj

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. He is the source of all sources.
It is Adrian Wojanowski, Woj, Woj Bombs, from ESPN,

Speaker 1 the ultimate

Speaker 1 NBA insider. Woj, first of all, thank you for coming by to the office.
We appreciate it. Guys, this is an honor.
It is an honor to be in here. I love it.

Speaker 1 I don't take this couch lightly. I was going to say, because I have to ask before we even get started, we've had Schefter on many times.
He's a good friend of ours.

Speaker 1 Will you be looking at your phone in case there's any breaking news while you're recording this? Because Schefter gets nervous when he has to do an hour long of not looking at his phone.

Speaker 1 It'll probably be Schefter chasing fantasy basketball injury information.

Speaker 1 That's what wakes me up at three in the morning.

Speaker 1 He's that maniac.

Speaker 1 Do you have any beef with him?

Speaker 1 I have a lot of beef with him about that. He's starting to see.

Speaker 6 You know what? He's the one man.

Speaker 1 He's in the NBA. But you know what? Like, there'll be times I'm embarrassed that I'm like,

Speaker 1 I'm not on top of that injury, but he is. Yeah.
Like, hey, is so-and-so coming back? And I'm like, Shit, I didn't realize he was out for two games. So he's

Speaker 1 on it. There's no one like him.
What about when he dips his toes into NBA news? Are you like, get off? Or do you give that to him? Do you give him a little morsel just to keep him happy?

Speaker 1 Because you should start doing it to him. I don't.
I'm sure you have NFL contacts. No, no.
None?

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 1 loves doing that every year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he always, he's wanted to trade off. I'm saying, I do not want to break NFL news.
That's for you. But he's dipped his toe in, and there may have or may not have been a negotiation on a couple,

Speaker 1 you know, veteran minimums in Toronto over time where Adam was ready to jump in.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, you should just do it one time in the NFL, just to let people know that you can do it.

Speaker 1 You could do it as a possibility.

Speaker 6 And then it would actually be good for Schefter because it would make him work harder.

Speaker 6 He should work harder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he doesn't work hard enough. That's the one thing they say about Adam Schefter.
He doesn't work hard enough.

Speaker 6 Do you guys ever compare screen time on your phones? I think he has you beat because he's got, doesn't he have a couple?

Speaker 1 He has two phones. Do you have two phones? I have two phones.
I got a new one

Speaker 1 like two months ago, and I haven't figured out how to turn it on yet. Okay.
Because ESPN gives you a number.

Speaker 1 You have your own phone, which I just kept that number, and there's an ESPN phone, and I couldn't remember what the number was. And so I brought it to our tech people.

Speaker 1 I'm like, can you get this thing turned on? And then they couldn't. The one day I took it back, and it's been sitting in my bag, not turning on.

Speaker 1 I should probably get that one turned on by free agency. This is a very relatable story that, like, the most powerful phone in

Speaker 1 all of MBA can't get a signal.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 As long as one's on, you're good.

Speaker 1 Can I say something about screen time? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Who gives a fuck? I agree.

Speaker 1 I don't look at it. Who gives a fuck

Speaker 1 how much screen time you have? Yeah. They try to shame us.
That's all it is. It's like they're, yeah, my screen time on a college football Saturday is going to be insane.

Speaker 1 I've never turned, I know that's part of the app, right? Yeah. I've never turned that on.
Smart.

Speaker 1 It's like NBA teams bragging about cap space. Yeah.
And like how many draft picks we have. We're going to hang banners.
Yeah. Like

Speaker 1 who cares about your screen time? I know.

Speaker 6 I do think you probably have

Speaker 6 across all of Twitter, X, whatever they're calling it, you are probably the guy that has the most people who have notifications turned on.

Speaker 6 So, like, when you tweet anything, there's millions of phones across the country that, but you can, you're essentially texting all of America right now.

Speaker 1 And then, if I tweet like a sub-tweet about us getting a recruit at St. Bonaventure, everybody's like, Yeah, we don't care, man.
Whoa, we don't stick to the script here.

Speaker 1 I know, we want to redo, but I, but I do, and so, um, but I always, I know those are coming.

Speaker 1 I try to be kind of judicious with like, I know people have notifications, but, you know, once in a while, I'd stray from character. You should do one that's just like eating a cheeseburger.

Speaker 1 Just like, or something, you know, like whatever you're doing at that moment, just be like watching, watching some TV.

Speaker 1 We were in the office the other day, and I asked, we were in the studio, I asked Perk and Malika, I said, how much would you pay me to tweet this out? And I texted both of them.

Speaker 1 He said, I have it here. I said, how much would you, I said, I said, it would be my last day at ESPN.

Speaker 1 It was my last day. I said,

Speaker 1 let me find this. Hold on.
Let me find these two guys. I like that Woach doesn't fully know how to work his.
There it is. Okay, no, no, no.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I texted Perk and Malika Andrews. I said, I'm going to tweet this out.
You ready?

Speaker 1 I said, Kendrick Perkins is finalizing a four-year, $26.8 million deal to become the next coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. So it's just tell ESPN.

Speaker 1 I said to them, what would happen in the next five minutes? Oh, man.

Speaker 6 I mean, people would have to run with it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It would be like CBI. I had the number.
It seemed 26 points. Yeah, that's about right.

Speaker 1 He's got the details. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So speaking of the Lakers, is J.J. Reddick going to get that job? He's a real candidate.
Yeah. And this just kind of happened out of, I mean, we know J.J.
and we've had him on a bunch.

Speaker 1 Like, I know that he's very successful in media, and now it feels like all this momentum going like, oh, he wants to coach. Listen, I can't speak for him about his level of interest.

Speaker 1 I think all of these things have intrigued him because, I mean, he's so talented. He could do whatever he wants.

Speaker 1 But there's no question there's an interest on the Lakers part they've been making calls about him trying to

Speaker 1 I know I know there hasn't been anything with him they haven't really met with any candidates yet they're going to start this week calling for permission on guys I think they're going to take their time with this search there's no like obvious candidates right now for I think especially the teams who are trying to win or win now teams

Speaker 1 There just aren't like obvious candidates out there where you're like, you know, especially Budenhoser being off the board championship coach, where I think teams are having to be creative with how they look at this.

Speaker 1 And so look at a lot of different guys. But, you know, listen, if he wanted to be a GM, there'd be interest in him and talking to him, head coach.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 maybe my greatest claim to fame in this when it's over is

Speaker 1 I started JJ on the podcast. I was at Yahoo the Vertical.
I said to him, you know, we're starting this site alongside Yahoo the Vertical.

Speaker 1 You want to write some stories during the season about like being a player, trade deadline, what that's like. And he's like, that'll feel like homework.
And I'd like to be worried about it.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing that. I said, I get it.
And I was like, how about a podcast? And he goes, let me think about it a couple days. And he came back.
First podcast he did was with Steve Nash.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, and Steve Nash was up for, I think his name was being talked about maybe to be the president in Phoenix at that time.

Speaker 1 And so I'm like, should I just say to JJ, hey, you might want to bring that up with him, see how he reacts? I'm like, I'm not going to tell him what to do. Do what you want.

Speaker 1 So they send the audio with a pod. Hey, welcome.
And JJ Reddick here with Steve Nash. Hey, you can take take that president's job in Phoenix? And I was like, oh, this guy's going to be.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So you should get some residuals from JJ's podcast and career.
You probably should check out with LeBron.

Speaker 6 I think the Lakers have had conversations with J.J. Reddick.
There's a podcast out there where it's LeBron. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 They're talking on a weekly basis about basketball basketball

Speaker 6 and what the Lakers do sometimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He might just play that as his interview. Yeah.
And like, I get along with your star.

Speaker 6 Yeah, for a guy like JJ, do you think that he could make that transition to being a head coach? He's He's not been a head coach before. He's studied the game, obviously.

Speaker 6 He's been an analyst, but there's a lot of stuff that goes into coaching a team

Speaker 6 that is not anything that he has any background in.

Speaker 1 A ton of stuff. And

Speaker 1 I think he can do it. It has been done.
But

Speaker 1 I think it's harder than ever to be a head coach in the NBA. I think in a lot of cases, you have less power

Speaker 1 and say over what's going on. Like in a lot of places, you talk about the pecking order of power.
It's like the owner,

Speaker 1 the owner's kid who is inheriting the team, right? The owner, the owner's kid, they're ahead of you. The president GM of the team's ahead of you.
The star player is ahead of you.

Speaker 1 And the star player's agent is probably ahead of you. Yeah.
And say, and maybe even your second best player and his agent, you're like seventh or eighth, ninth. That's good.

Speaker 1 And like, not in every case. We know the guys who have, who've won big, have big voice, but I think it's harder than ever to coach in the league.
It takes more.

Speaker 1 But in terms of just the organization, staff, how to build out like your staff and practice plans and all the things, it's not just drawn up plays.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, being able to get buy-in from an NBA locker room is hard. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 when it comes to this Lakers and Sons jobs, and I know, look, if you get, there's only 30 of these jobs. So if someone gets offered the job, they're going to take the job.
But is there any feel

Speaker 1 going forward that like a Lakers or Sons job, aging superstars, Is there any feel like this might be just a death sentence? Because whenever, I mean, we've seen it with Frank Vogel and Darvin Hamm.

Speaker 1 Like, you're the one who gets blamed. It's not the players, it's you.
So, you like, if you walk into that job and you don't have success right away, it's going to be you, not anyone else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and listen, if you're Frank Vogel and you signed a five-year deal in Phoenix last year and you get whacked after one year, you're walking away with four years of guaranteed money.

Speaker 1 Darvin Ham had a four-year deal, makes it two years, goes to the Western Finals, wins, what, 47 games this year.

Speaker 1 And Mike Budenhoser, five-year deal, you know, about

Speaker 1 $10, $11 million a year.

Speaker 1 I think there's more of a runway with the Lakers. I think the Suns is like more of a,

Speaker 1 you know what happens in the NBA.

Speaker 1 If they have another season this year, like

Speaker 1 next year, like they did this season, then it's like, does everybody want to stay there? Do guys want to start moving? Do you have to trade guys?

Speaker 1 So, you know, you have this very tiny window. They don't have hardly any of their draft picks assets.

Speaker 1 They don't have young players that they have coming up. The Lakers have, I think, a longer runway.

Speaker 1 They could make a big trade this summer and get a real significant player. A.D.'s still in his prime.

Speaker 1 You know, Austin Reeves, there's more in place. And if you get in a position in three years where, let's say LeBron retires in two, three years,

Speaker 1 if you create a max salary spot with the Lakers, come on, you're getting somebody. Guys are always

Speaker 1 going to get them. Yeah.
That's true. That's true.
That's a good point.

Speaker 6 So with LeBron, going back to 2010, you and LeBron, your career is tied closely to LeBron's in that respect.

Speaker 6 Talk about what happened in 2010 with him and what path that sent you on.

Speaker 1 It changed my job. It changed how you cover the NBA, like what an insider was.
I went to Yahoo in.

Speaker 1 2007. I was a suburban newspaper columnist, Bergen Record in New Jersey, home of Diana Rossini.
Good reporter. She was the great reporter.
Great reporter.

Speaker 1 She used to date the guy who used to cut my hair, my kids' hair in town. I remember him telling me, like, I'm dating this reporter from Channel 2 or Channel 4 in New York City.
I'm like,

Speaker 1 wow. And it turned out to be Rossini.
Yeah. It turned out to be the great Diana Rossini.
She's a great reporter. Yeah.
She is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I was just a suburban newspaper columnist. When I went to Yahoo, Dan Wetzel, who you guys know, one of the greats.

Speaker 1 Dan was at Yahoo, and there was an NBA job open.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I take that in 07 or 07. But by 2010, Twitter's come along, like where now people are, or maybe it was 10 or 11, but now there's like sort of this instant scorecard of breaking news.

Speaker 1 But that free agency changed everything. It changed how people covered the sport and the attention there was on

Speaker 1 like there had been Team USA, guys were talking talking about getting together. And now like the offseason, it was almost like what college football, college basketball is, right?

Speaker 1 You had the sport and then you had recruiting. And they're like two separate things.
And the deals and like the team building became a huge part of it.

Speaker 1 And LeBron made it okay for guys to say, I'm going to go play wherever I want with who I want to play with. And that he took a lot of shit from a lot of people about going to Miami,

Speaker 1 winning with that group and building super teams. And he made it like, I don't know if Kevin Durant could have done what he did with Golden State if LeBron hadn't done it.

Speaker 1 And so,

Speaker 1 but it changed the job and it changed how you approached it. And like, there's lots of different ways to cover basketball.
Everybody has their strengths and come at it from a different point of view.

Speaker 1 That's why you want to read it all, you want to hear it all. Like, everybody doesn't have to do it exactly the same.
Why would you want them to? And I think it created,

Speaker 1 but there was just like this unbelievable appetite for information. information.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable appetite. Because every trade now was, hey, that's clearing $12 million in cap space.

Speaker 1 Now they've got a max slot, and they're going to trade this guy and this guy, and they're going to create two max slots. And now, what two guys are they going to get?

Speaker 1 Like, and then that became a frenzy every year. Then the next year, you had, you know, Chris Paul

Speaker 1 pushing his way out of

Speaker 1 New Orleans. You had Carmelo Anthony pushing his way out of Denver.
And the owners were all shitting like the small market owners were like,

Speaker 1 we can't control in these small markets the ability to keep great players here. They want to go to the major markets.
And now the league's kind of taken out away with this new salary cap.

Speaker 1 They're going to force guys, unless they want to take way less money, they're going to force players to spread around the league.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which it does feel like the super team is kind of not dying, but it feels like this playoffs, especially, you have a lot more homegrown teams that are going for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like you can have a super team, but you better have drafted them. Like Phoenix were two of your three great players you've had to trade for.

Speaker 1 When you do that, you've gassed all your picks, all your young guys, and you had this top-heavy roster that doesn't work. Where Denver, you know, Jokic,

Speaker 1 Michael Porter,

Speaker 1 Joal Murray, they drafted all three. They traded for Aaron Gordon.
They've never had to like do that four first-round pick deal that just takes all your young guys out.

Speaker 1 Minnesota, they traded for one of the three, right? Right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Boston

Speaker 1 drafted, right? They drafted Tatum Brown. And there's their third.
Yeah, I mean, Derek White, they were able to trade.

Speaker 1 Like even Porzingis was traded with for Marcus Smart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, but you, but if you have two stars that you traded for, and like the third guy is not like a transcendent, they have like all star level guys.

Speaker 1 That's how you have to do it. If you have to just gas all your picks to do it, you probably don't have a roster that's strong enough to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 So with Porzingis, glad we brought him up.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 You said that he's going to miss a minimum of several games. And we've been

Speaker 1 extended past that.

Speaker 6 Oh, okay. So what's the maximum? A maximum of several plus.

Speaker 1 Past the minimum, right?

Speaker 6 What is several games?

Speaker 1 We've brought this tweet up maybe every single episode since you tweeted it. Because what the hell does it mean?

Speaker 1 Several games is a vague cop-out. Yeah, and it's a minimum of several games.
Because

Speaker 1 it's a vague cop-out. I'm happy you're mitigating.

Speaker 1 Is several three? Is it seven? Right. I'm not saying.
And that's just the minimum. We don't know what the maximum is.

Speaker 1 I think the hope is that he could be back potentially in a conference final that it was going to come, that this series was unlikely. And now they're 3-1.
Yeah, 3-1.

Speaker 1 And then maybe it buys them some time. But, you know,

Speaker 1 those calf injuries are tricky. Like, they just, they're tricky.
So for everybody, the return isn't. It's not uniform.
It's hard to say it's going to be 10 days. It's going to be two weeks.

Speaker 1 But, you know, the sense was it was going to be the series. But it looks like they, especially with Donovan Mitchell out last night, that was a huge blow for them.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That Boston's got enough probably to get past them. Have people been responding to your minimum of several games? Because I know, I mean, it was a very funny way to phrase it.
I hope you use it again.

Speaker 1 It's just a great way to put an injury timetable because there is no timetable.

Speaker 1 We just know that he won't play the next game. That's really all it is.
And it's not day-to-day. It's a minimum of several games.
Several's five. Several.
Oh, several is five. Oh, five.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Several's five, four to seven. Four to seven.
Okay. Okay.
Five to eight. Because yeah, eight feels like it would be a minimum of a lot.
That's more than several. That's more than several.

Speaker 1 That's several plus. Several plus.
I like that. Maybe next time if someone has

Speaker 1 like a month or two month injury, just say a minimum of a lot of games. That would be the way to phrase it.

Speaker 1 Extended period is another one. What's extended? Yeah.

Speaker 6 You say week to week. Does that work? I hate week to week.
But day to day, that's one thing. Week to week.
Week to week is weekly.

Speaker 1 You can say week to week.

Speaker 1 Here's the one where you know it's they're going to reevaluate in two weeks, three weeks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They reevaluate that thing every single day. What do you think? Like, hey, you know, next Thursday, we're going to bring them back into the doctor.
They're pouring over these guys every day.

Speaker 1 But what the teams know is if we say reevaluated in three weeks or four weeks, it buys them time. They don't have to answer the question every day.
Right. Hey, how's Porzingis doing?

Speaker 1 We're going to reevaluate him next Friday. Yeah.
No, they're going to reevaluate him next hour and then three hours and then after lunch again.

Speaker 6 Yeah. We're not going to answer the question until next Friday.

Speaker 1 That's right. We're not going to answer the question until then.
So the LeBron 2010 year was huge for your career.

Speaker 1 What was, besides LeBron, who's the one player that, like, if you didn't have them and the way they treated you, you wouldn't be where you are today. Kobe.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He gave me credibility covering the NBA. Just by answering your questions and talking to you? Just by talking to me.
Wow. Yeah.
He would give me a lot of access. He was so, he understood

Speaker 1 however we hit it off, but he also understood before a lot of people covering the NBA, that when I was covering the NBA, how big of a reach Yahoo Sports had.

Speaker 1 Like back then, and Yahoo's still significant, and there's tremendous people there. I had a great, I loved my time there.
People I worked with, Passon there,

Speaker 1 obviously Wetzel, a lot of other guys. But

Speaker 1 Kobe understood the reach of it. Like back then, it was, that was the homepage for like on the internet.

Speaker 1 You, you logged into the internet, and it was like you got your mail there, you saw the, you know, what the weather was going to be, if somebody looked at their stocks, it was all there.

Speaker 1 Like, that was sort of the, like everybody's home page. So, if you got stories out on the front of that, it was like a fire hose.
And so, he got that, he got the reach of it.

Speaker 1 But him talking to me, him giving me access, him, you know, he would sometimes say when he wanted to get something off his chest, it would always be like a cold Midwestern city in the winter.

Speaker 1 Can you get to Minneapolis? Can you meet me in Indianapolis? It was always like a place I might be in for a day. Plus, it was never meet me in Miami.
Yeah. Sometimes it was LA.
And then, and so

Speaker 1 it gave me tremendous,

Speaker 1 it just made, it expedited things for me. And I think people saw, well, if he's talking to him, it gave me credibility with players, with

Speaker 1 everybody,

Speaker 1 agents.

Speaker 1 And so that was,

Speaker 1 he was huge for my career.

Speaker 1 Was it anything besides Yahoo? Like, did you, was it like he just kind of liked you? Because it does feel like

Speaker 1 we always

Speaker 1 understood the platform. But we, you know, he he liked someone who was competitive.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, he liked that I was competitive in my job. He always wanted to talk about it.
He always wanted to talk about competing, how you do things.

Speaker 1 And he loved that part of it. He understood like so much about my job, his world.
I remember this. I remember talking.

Speaker 1 We always try to talk him out of getting on Twitter. And I said, Kobe, Twitter's for small talk.
You don't do small talk, you do big proclamations.

Speaker 1 Because I knew the minute he got on Twitter, he doesn't need to talk to me all the time. Ah, smart.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's like what he did at the Olympics.

Speaker 1 He would go, you know, he'd spend when he was older, like 2012,

Speaker 1 he was on the team with Westbrook.

Speaker 1 Durant, I don't know if Durant was there. Westbrook was there.
I'm trying to remember if Durant was at the Olympics. I don't know if he was.
2012,

Speaker 1 he would spend the entire time time like telling Russ. Guys would tell me,

Speaker 1 Why are you letting KD win scoring titles? You should be winning scoring titles.

Speaker 1 And like, if he could just send Russ back to Oklahoma City with that thought in his mind, if it would just throw OKC off just a little bit. Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 1 But they were at the point where the Lakers were now,

Speaker 1 they were passing them. Yeah.
But he, everywhere he was, he had a,

Speaker 1 you know, he looked at how he could take a situation and

Speaker 1 manipulate it to his and compete. Yeah, compete.
So get an edge. So you mentioned it.

Speaker 1 I'd have to imagine like all the players having podcasts. That kind of sucks for your job now because they're just reporting their own news.

Speaker 1 I don't know if a lot of guys are reporting. Pat Bev is.
Yeah. Pat Bev is reported.
You had to credit his podcast. Do you subscribe? I do subscribe.
I'm scared.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to end this whole interview. So I'll tell you, I texted him.
So he,

Speaker 1 i i because i was texting with him yesterday i had just hit him on something and i saw the text sitting there and i was laughing so this was

Speaker 1 march 28th so let's see he got waved

Speaker 1 why was he was he a was he oh no it was the injury yeah it was the injury yeah his wrist oh here it was yeah i said um this is good here you go hey pat how did it go yesterday any sense yet on next steps he goes i will break my own news thanks though

Speaker 11 i said well i'll be watching for it

Speaker 1 I love him. Yeah, so I did one of my favorite podcasts ever in the city of Chicago.

Speaker 1 He was probably on, he's probably been on my pod maybe

Speaker 1 in the past, maybe three or four times, different place. But we were in Chicago, and he said we were going to do it.
It was one of the offseasons, and he got a deal on a boat.

Speaker 1 It was over in the, I don't know, what the harbors are. Harbor.
Yeah. And so he was like,

Speaker 1 If you just say the name, he wanted me, just when you introduced me, you got to say what boat we are on, what company, because he was going to get, I think it was something like he was going to get like a free five hours to go around the harbor.

Speaker 1 And so we're like, the sun's beating down. It's like the middle of the day.
It was fine. So we're out there.
The audio, imagine the audio sitting out on the deck of a boat. It's not great.

Speaker 1 And the sun's beating down on us. And we're sitting on the deck of this.
It's not a yacht. It was just, it was a boat.
And we do the podcast out there.

Speaker 1 And it was like, all I could think of was that honourage where they were like Rufus from, remember Rufus from

Speaker 1 Home Solutions? Yeah. And Johnny Drama had the hat on sitting on the couch.
Yeah. I was like, whatever the name of the boat was, but I left town.
He went out and had like a whole day on the beat.

Speaker 1 I think he got it for free.

Speaker 1 I had to say the name of the boat.

Speaker 6 He's like, I'm telling you, Woach is going to say your company.

Speaker 1 It's going to go to millions of people.

Speaker 1 It wasn't going to millions of people, but it went to somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So we got to talk about the James Harden situation where you broke the James Harden news. You were going to get on a plane.
And what time was your flight?

Speaker 1 So I usually make my flights, like I fly a lot in Newark to L.A.

Speaker 1 I try to do it.

Speaker 1 There's a 7.30 p.m., there's an 8.30.

Speaker 1 I leave as late as I can, so I'm in the air for the least amount of time that

Speaker 1 shit could happen, news can happen. And when I fly back, I either fly back on a 9 p.m.
Pacific flight, so that's midnight Eastern, or the 11 o'clock. So I know, like, in that range, it's pretty rare.

Speaker 1 Middle of the night, something's going to break, but I don't want to be on a plane in the middle of the day where, like, sometimes wireless works, sometimes

Speaker 1 it doesn't. But whatever the time was, I want to say maybe it was a 6.30.

Speaker 1 It was a 6.30 or 7.30 flight. Because I remember I got to the airport around, like, just about an hour before my flight, and I got a sense from the teams that, like, this trade could happen tonight.

Speaker 1 And I said to one of them,

Speaker 1 I've got a flight, leaves it, I don't know if it was 6.30 or 7, maybe it was 7.30. Should I get on that flight? They're like, I wouldn't get on that flight.

Speaker 1 I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 So I I just go up to the, you know, you got that United lounge

Speaker 1 set up in there. And, and I'm like, I know, I'm just not taking the flight.
And so, I'm going to sit here and wait until this thing goes down, if it's going to go down.

Speaker 1 And then at like 10:30, you're like, the United Lounge is closed. Get out of here.
Yeah. Right.
Get out.

Speaker 1 So then I go down into the, I go down the escalator and then there's like just the open seating, right? So now it's like

Speaker 1 11, 12, 1. So I texted my wife at some point.
I'm like, hey,

Speaker 1 I'm probably coming back home tonight, like 6 a.m., whatever. We'll figure it out.
But I'll, she's like, whatever. All right, Tom.

Speaker 1 I got okay.

Speaker 1 Probably like, yeah. So anyway, so then it's, but then I realized I got to a point where I saw like my flight landed in LA and the trade's still out to happen.
I was like, son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 I could have been on it. And then it's like, now you get to,

Speaker 1 I got to send her like, hey, listen, there's probably going to be around.

Speaker 1 They're waiting for somebody to get in. I want, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Finally, it was like, this is going to be like around 2 a.m. You're going to be able to put put this out.

Speaker 1 And so now like the Zamboni machine's like running through the airport, right? The big machine that's cleaning the thing. So it was just me and that guy going up and down.

Speaker 1 And then like some guys got off some late flights and, you know, they're sort of looking at me like, and he sort of recognized me. He's like, what is this guy sitting in an empty? A couple of guys,

Speaker 1 like, what is he doing here? I'm just, I'm just here. And so finally 2 a.m.
Right, that thing got done.

Speaker 1 And then by the time I got, like, it was like 3.30 a.m., I packed up, took an Uber back home 30 minutes, and then came back and flew the next thing. You still got it.

Speaker 1 That must have been like, I still, I can still do this, you know, all hours. You try to stay awake.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 If you ever see Wodes just sitting by himself somewhere, you know that some shit happened.

Speaker 1 Someone's about to get traded.

Speaker 6 Yeah, something's happening.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's 100% going to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's, that just shows. I mean, you guys,

Speaker 1 how many hours a night do you sleep? You know,

Speaker 1 like this idea that, like, listen, during like free agency or trade deadline, it's minimal. Yeah.
The rest of the year, this idea that like you can't sleep as an insider, it's like, it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's just, it's like,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of, I think some people want to create a lot of mythology around this thing. Like, there's a lot of demanding jobs.
Like,

Speaker 1 around that time, right? You know what they are. Free agency, trade deadline,

Speaker 1 draft. Draft.
The two nights thing is brutal now. Yeah.
Because now you get up, like, usually you could, the draft ends,

Speaker 1 you know, it's five, six hours on that podium. And if you have to go to the bathroom, you can't leave that podium like during it.

Speaker 1 And so it does cut down that as I get older because I got to go at some point.

Speaker 1 But the idea, though, as soon as that thing's over at pick 30, teams are going to start making trades for the next day.

Speaker 1 Like, you're going to be up that, like, that's not, I'm whining about it, but like, yeah, but I get why we want to do the two days. And listen, if Bronny is,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 I wonder if the league will send a memo out and say, hey, like, we need him for the second night. Yeah.
Don't be taking him to 230, right? But who knows when he could get picked.

Speaker 1 And so I do think having Bronny in this probably, if he makes it to the second night, is, I mean, that'll be the story, right? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Do you think that there is going to be a team that takes a chance on Bronny just in the hopes that maybe LeBron will come play for this team later?

Speaker 1 I don't think it's going to be

Speaker 1 to get LeBron. I think it'll be because they see some value in him.
I don't think, you know, Rich Paul has said this to me since March,

Speaker 1 maybe February, March, and he said on the record, like, this isn't about pairing them up.

Speaker 1 They want to find the best place for Bronnie, a place that's focused on development, that has a good track record, he's a young player. The Lakers are not really a developmental program.

Speaker 1 They're a win-now team, right?

Speaker 1 And so their thing was if it lines up, it's organic and it happens, great. But the mission isn't to get them together.
And like, you know, if LeBron goes to, you know, or if Bronnie goes to,

Speaker 1 I don't know, name the city, Toronto, Charlotte, Indiana,

Speaker 1 Philadelphia. Yeah, like, you know, is it a team that like could even they'd have to force a trade, right? Because free agency is not going to work.
They're not going to have cap space.

Speaker 1 He's going to, he's a $50, $60 million year player. I don't think it's about that.
But I think I saw Bronny play last year in person in Portland at that Nike Hoop summit.

Speaker 1 He looked, he was a real, he's a real prospect. He was.
Now, he's not a superstar. He's a role player, but like he does a lot of things really smart.
He really guards like great court sense.

Speaker 1 How you would imagine LeBron Son to be just incredible basketball IQ, you know, athletic enough. You know, he really shot the ball well yesterday.
Like

Speaker 1 it's not a stretch to imagine him in the NBA. Do I think he's an NBA star? No.
But there are a lot of role players who look exactly the same as Bronnie James at that age, but he has the heart issue.

Speaker 1 He misses five months of playing, and so then he's limited in the production at USC.

Speaker 1 But if anybody took five months off, and I'm sure there's a mental hurdle in returning from that, but he looked great yesterday, and you know, like

Speaker 1 I don't think, though,

Speaker 1 selecting him or signing him is people think it's a ticket to LeBron. I don't feel that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, I got the hardest question for you in this entire interview. Oh, geez.
Do you know the name Rico Bosco? I know the name Rico Bosco. Okay.

Speaker 1 I want to hear your perspective of this because Rico's crazy. I love him, but he's he's crazy.
For people who don't know, Rico had a 12-year grudge against Woge. Felt like.

Speaker 1 112 years. Yeah, and you're like, wow, 12 years? Woge must have done something really bad.
Well, not really. Woj

Speaker 1 DM'd Rico back in 2011

Speaker 1 when Rico was saying that Danny Hurley was the next up coach and all these other schools should try to hire him. Woge sent him a DM saying, I know him pretty well.

Speaker 1 He isn't leaving the state of New Jersey. I promise you, he stayed in high school for nine years, turned down a lot of jobs.
I'm right. Obviously, Danny Hurley left the state of New Jersey.

Speaker 1 I'm right as well. I can't remember.
I thought it was

Speaker 1 leaving Wagner to go to URI, wasn't it? No. Well, here's what's interesting.

Speaker 1 Because he lived in New Jersey when he coached at Wagner. Yeah.
Initially, I didn't think he was going to take URI, but then they offered.

Speaker 6 But here's what's interesting about it. We have the screenshot from Woge.
We don't have the screenshot of what Rico sent you

Speaker 1 to elicit that response. True.

Speaker 6 So that's interesting.

Speaker 1 Were you aware that he was just tweeting about it? Because the other thing.

Speaker 1 I don't remember the circumstances around it. You know, I saw my screenshot for, like I said, 112 years being posted.

Speaker 6 Yeah. It got worse and worse.

Speaker 1 Like the quality of the scene.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was just so, but it was, you're right. He was at Wagner.
He was living in New York.

Speaker 1 It was Wagner to URI. Because I remember at the time when I had conversations with Danny, I'm like, you can make, I think you can jump to the big east from Wagner, what he was doing there.

Speaker 1 I didn't think he had to go to URI. And then, but I was wrong.
He took it. We were talking about it.
I remember talking about it with it then.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I don't think you have to take an Atlantic 10 job. Now, also, I want to keep him out of the fucking Atlantic 10.
Yeah, because you're still there. So there was some agenda there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So there was some agenda. So this is also, this was a private DM that Rico has now made it.
He was like, for the longest time, he's like, Woj won't apologize to me.

Speaker 1 I was like, but it was a private message. And I actually, a few months ago, we asked him, I was like, if Woj had apologized privately, would you have have accepted it?

Speaker 1 And he said no, because then he would still have to carry the embarrassment of having a private apology for something Rico made public.

Speaker 1 At any point in the last 12 years, you're like,

Speaker 1 what is this guy doing? What is he talking about? I knew what he was talking about. But, yeah, I'll do it here.

Speaker 1 I apologize that Danny Hurley left Wagner. Oh, I like how you phrased that.
And he didn't stay in a Northeast conference. I like that.
Rico would have dominated. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He might have won a national championship at Wagner. Yeah.
It's very smart. You're not apologizing to Rico Bosco.
You're apologizing the Danny Hurley lesson.

Speaker 1 Listen, he got a lot of mileage out of that bit. Oh, I mean,

Speaker 1 it wasn't a bit, by the way, it was not a bit. He's crazy like that.
He came up. He saw me at.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we made him. I made him go.
So

Speaker 1 my wife is sitting next to me. So I've known Dusty May for

Speaker 1 when I did a book on the Hurleys. I did this miracle of St.
Anthony

Speaker 1 20 years ago, 20 years ago this year. And Dusty was a young assistant in Indiana, and he came to recruit St.
Anthony's, and I got to know him and known him since.

Speaker 1 So we were at the garden to go see them in the Tennessee game, Sweet 16. And so my wife and I were sitting, I don't know, just courtside, and his family was there.

Speaker 1 And she doesn't know anything about this thing. Like, she's not.

Speaker 1 Which is good. Healthy.
That's healthy. Yeah, she doesn't.
She barely even knows what I do for a living. Just live at hang out at airports.

Speaker 1 And so he came up, and I don't remember what he said, like, hey.

Speaker 1 And she was talking

Speaker 1 about it. Yeah, yeah.
And she was like half listening, like, because sometimes people come up and want to introduce themselves. And he went away.
She was like, what was that? I go, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Never mind. It's a hard one.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like, search my name in 11 seconds on Twitter. You'll probably see what it was.
Yes. Yes.
It was,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Rico is

Speaker 1 a special brain, but that was one of those ones where it's like, he made a grudge out of seemingly nothing, but he was very mad at you for a long time. Is Rico Bosco, is that a play on Rico Bronia?

Speaker 1 No. No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Rico Bronia was like, when I worked in Waterberry, he was like a, ended up playing for the Mets. He was a

Speaker 1 first guys I ever got a. So I was wondering if he was like a.

Speaker 6 I think he just tried to sound really Italian. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He also, Rico, just so you know, and I think you probably can maybe contend this, but he claims that he has the most powerful phone in the Northeast. Rico does.
I believe it. Oh, okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 So you're giving him that.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 a terrorist organization. Oh, it is.
No, it is. Don't say that.
I don't say that. They are.
I've seen the pictures. Don't say that.
I've seen the pictures. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, there was a picture of him in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 Terror takes many forms. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true. It's not middle.
I didn't suggest it was any part of the world. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's good that you apologize to Danny Hurley, though.

Speaker 1 I feel like we're in a good spot in this whole saga. He's good.
Yeah. Good, good, good.
He makes a mountain out of a molehill. It's quite something.

Speaker 6 I had a question for you about just the stress of traveling.

Speaker 6 And I know for our job, when we're traveling anywhere, if I'm going on vacation, but maybe we have to do a show or something, I'm always stressed out about if it's an Airbnb, is a Wi-Fi, it says it's got really fast Wi-Fi.

Speaker 6 Is that always going to be the case when you're on a plane?

Speaker 6 Do you have to make yourself at those times of year where it's, you know, like if the trade deadline, draft, things like that, if it's a busy time of year where something might happen, do you have to plan in advance based on where you're going, how good that Wi-Fi is?

Speaker 1 I would say those times of the year, I'm almost always in studio. Like I'm almost always either in studio in Bristol or LA.
I'm not like in some remote location. You're going to be like those times.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 I mean, I can't tell you like how many times like I made my family sit on the side of the, you know, pull over the car, sit up, especially when the kids were younger and you were driving everybody somewhere.

Speaker 1 Pull over. I remember the worst one was Christmas Eve.
It was Christmas Eve. We were going into church.
Our kids were really young.

Speaker 1 And I got a trade as we were walking in, like we're walking up the steps and into, and all of a sudden, I'm at the bottom of the steps with, I think, my wife's just, I can still see her with the two kids holding their hands and just standing like going into the church, just shaking her head, like, you asshole.

Speaker 1 You asshole. This is a life you married in the middle.
And it was like, it was like a King's Grizzlies trade. It might have been like, I can't remember who it was.
It was like 2007, 2008.

Speaker 1 It was early. And I'm like, just one minute, I'll get this, you know,

Speaker 1 this is a look of just absolute disdain. Yeah.
Do you have any, like, is there, is, is there a low?

Speaker 1 Is there a low in your world?

Speaker 1 But there's grizzlies.

Speaker 6 There have to be some trades that you're like, I'm going into church. It's the Kings Grizzlies.

Speaker 6 That's not worth my money. No, you don't throw any back.
You don't throw any back.

Speaker 1 Especially then. Like then it was like, that was very early.
It was still a big deal to, I mean, it's always a big deal to,

Speaker 1 you know, break a trade. I mean, there's only, like, I'd say this.

Speaker 1 I always think Adams' job is much more taxing. The NFL insider to me is a much more taxing job.
To me, for no other reason than the quarterback position, right?

Speaker 1 People care about all 30 teams, all 30 quarterbacks. Is he playing? Is that guy getting moved out? Who's the starter? Who's starting this week? Is he going to be ready Sunday?

Speaker 1 for all 30 teams.

Speaker 1 And to me, that position and then free agency trades, like to me, just that position alone makes or 32 teams right makes it makes the job way harder I went up to I always love going up to Bristol when Schefter's doing free agency or trade deadline and if I can go up there for the day I did it this year I guess it was free agency it was being a free agency and I just sit there it's like watching like

Speaker 1 a lion in the wild right like just sit and watch him I go get him water I got him some gum I went to the cap got him some gum you know drove him back to the hotel later you know I like that, watching Adam Schefter on you just, you know, and then it's like PTSD, but you're just watching him go through it.

Speaker 1 But he is, he's the best. Yeah.
He's the best ever.

Speaker 6 So I guess we could ask it this way:

Speaker 6 could an NBA transl NBA newsbreaker translate better to the NFL, or an NFL newsbreaker translate better to the NBA world?

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 in any, I think like a good reporter, you can parachute them in anywhere, like school board

Speaker 1 covering city hall cops, NFL NBA. Like, if you can report, you can report.

Speaker 1 And if you give them time to build relationships, figure it out, I think you could put somebody who's a pretty good reporter anywhere.

Speaker 1 So, yes, now you're starting at zero, and it takes, I mean, I've been doing this for, you know,

Speaker 1 you build these relationships over a very long time.

Speaker 1 Like, when I started as an NBA insider, like, the guys who are low-level executives who are just barely in the front office or low-level agents or G-League coaches.

Speaker 1 Like when I started, like Nick Nurse was a G-League coach I knew,

Speaker 1 you know, becomes a championship coach and front office guy. Sam Presty was the assistant GM with the Spurs.

Speaker 1 And so you have the years of those relationships and then the people around them that you get to know. And so, but it takes a long time.
Like you just couldn't do it overnight. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So is it always going to be basketball for you? Or are there other interests that you'd like to get into further in your career?

Speaker 1 Further in my career?

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, like election night, are you going to tweet who won the election? Because it's not going to be real until Woj announces it.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Okay.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Would you have reported a guy getting waived on Christmas Eve? I'm trying to find it. I want to find this.

Speaker 1 Okay, I would say now teams are much more reluctant to do that shit on Christmas Eve because they know the response. But before social media, I bet it happened a lot more.

Speaker 1 I remember Scott Skyles got fired on Christmas Eve, didn't he? Yeah. The Bulls? Yeah, so wait, but I'm trying to.
Did you find one? Did you find one?

Speaker 1 Well, I found Hamed Hadadi was signed from the Dakota Wizards on December 24th, 2008. I hope it wasn't that one

Speaker 1 that you're talking that story about. And then there was Marco Yarich got waived on December 24th, 2009 from the Grizzlies.
I looked through all Kings and Grizzlies transactions.

Speaker 1 I may be wrong about the teams.

Speaker 1 I may be wrong about the teams.

Speaker 1 I wish it was like a Marco Yarich getting waved.

Speaker 1 It was Christmas Eve. I don't like.
All right, we've got to.

Speaker 1 I know the agent. Okay,

Speaker 1 I know the agent who at the time told me my guy just got traded, and I just saw him. And I'm going to ask, because I'm not remembering who was in it, but when we leave, I'm going to text you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we'll pick it up. Who did you text me that day? Because I remember who told me it.

Speaker 1 And I just saw him. So

Speaker 1 it was Christmas Eve. I was walking.
I can still see my wife at the top of those stairs.

Speaker 1 Death glare. Yeah.
All right. So you're here for the draft.
This is a weird draft because it feels like everyone's like, this draft stinks.

Speaker 1 You hear people say it's like if a regular draft started at five or six, the Hawks win it with the 3%.

Speaker 1 So Hawks and like the city of Atlanta's sports, just what, what, whatever, whatever happens in Atlanta, it's always kind of like, oh, man, that was a bummer.

Speaker 1 But to win the number one pick here, does that give them any flexibility going forward? I know they want to probably maybe trade Trey Young, but

Speaker 1 is this something that teams are even interested in? Well,

Speaker 1 if you're the Hawks, especially because you've traded away the picks like in the DeJounte Murray deal, where you don't have your pick next year, so you know, they're sitting there expecting to pick at 10.

Speaker 1 Right. And now

Speaker 1 we're at one, and now we control the draft.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 I mean, I think it's huge for them, but they've got to figure out who that guy is. There's going to be a star in this draft.
There might be multiple stars.

Speaker 1 But the day of the draft, I said, it reminds me of 2013, which was Anthony Bennett went one,

Speaker 1 and Cleveland was on the clock until if the draft started at 7.30,

Speaker 1 they hadn't decided until 7.20. They were still trying to trade the pick.
It was chaos, and they missed the pick. I mean, Bennett, but Giannis goes 15th, Rudy Gobert goes 27th.

Speaker 1 There'll probably be somebody in the teens who ends up being an all-NBA player. It's your job to figure out who it is.

Speaker 1 I don't, I have a hard time seeing people moving up to one in this draft because I think

Speaker 1 maybe if it's like a team at two or three

Speaker 1 that wants a guy and then they just trade down one spot, like Ainge did with Philly, right?

Speaker 1 They didn't want Mark Hill, like they knew Philly wanted Mark Hill Fultz, and they said, hey, we want Jason Tatum at three.

Speaker 1 So not only do they move down and get Tatum, they get another pick from them. Right.

Speaker 1 I'm starting to think that trade is not going to work out for the Six. No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 You said before we started that you had a good Danny Aing

Speaker 1 story.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they were getting ready to trade Rajan Rondo

Speaker 1 to Dallas. I don't remember the year.

Speaker 1 And I texted Danny, hey, I'm hearing from people. I'm getting the sense that

Speaker 1 you're really starting to look to move. Rajan, give me a call.
I want to catch up with you about it.

Speaker 1 And no response, 15, 20 minutes, half an hour. I get a text, and it says, Donnie.

Speaker 1 And it is a text with the terms of a Celtic Dallas trade,

Speaker 1 possible names in it, picks. And I'm looking at this going, holy shit.
Like, he sent me the wrong text. He sent a text for Donnie Nelson, the Dallas Gym.
He sent it to me by accident. Whoa.

Speaker 1 With like their back and forth on the trade.

Speaker 1 And so, and didn't realize. And then, like, I'm sitting there kind of looking at it going, I don't think this was meant for me.
So I just text him back, you owe me one.

Speaker 1 And then my phone rings, and he is laughing hysterically. Oh, that's cool.
And I said, just don't let me get beat on this whenever it gets done here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you didn't. And he gave it to you.
All right. I don't remember if he gave it to you.
I just remember I didn't get beat on it. That's incredible.

Speaker 1 But I realized

Speaker 1 it was meant for Donnie Nelson. That's not.
It had all the terms in it.

Speaker 6 Is there any trade that you look back on and maybe one that you didn't get where you're like, I should have had that one? Is there one that eats you up inside?

Speaker 1 They all, I never feel like one, like you think about one's, listen,

Speaker 1 you want to break everything, you can't break everything. I do remember the costliest trade I ever broke, which was 2012 Olympics in England.

Speaker 1 Like back then when I was at Yahoo, the idea of being overseas for free, I don't remember, yeah, it was July. Free agency, I guess, was over, but we're covering the Olympics.

Speaker 1 The Dwight Howard trade was happening. It was a four-team trade.

Speaker 1 And I remember being in the lobby of this English hotel in London, like three, I want to say it was like 3:15, 3:30 in the morning when I felt like I got it. And it was four teams.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 back then, like, I didn't really know how to handle a calling plan for overseas, like on your cell phone. It wasn't unlimited.

Speaker 1 And they were always pretty liberal with the budget at Yahoo. Like, you always felt like you could put in for stuff.
But I was going to test this thing.

Speaker 1 So I get my phone bill at the end of the Olympics. It's $12,000.
Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 1 twelve thousand dollar phone bill oh my gosh and i'm like all right you can get i'm like this is really going to test the limits of

Speaker 1 you know and um i put in for as i called my editor when i got back dave more hey dave this is uh felt really good about the olympics we got that trade we we got some really good stuff

Speaker 1 but the uh phone bill's twelve fucking thousand dollars yeah he's like oh man

Speaker 1 but he got they paid it they paid it yeah that's incredible try that at espn now yeah it wasn't wasn't so easy where you just land somewhere and your phone tells you, like, welcome to Canada.

Speaker 6 Welcome to England.

Speaker 6 Here's how you tell it.

Speaker 1 And I knew, you know what? There was a point where I knew I was over like, whatever, it was 100 minutes of Georgia. Like, I knew I had gone through it.

Speaker 1 At first, I was trying to be kind of careful with it. And then I was just like, screw that.
Like, I'm just, I got to get this stuff. You got to do your job.
I got to get this stuff.

Speaker 6 It's fun to speculate. And we saw LeBron sitting courtside at the Cav Cell.
Everything that he does seems to be very calculated. He's been very good about that.
He's sending some kind of message.

Speaker 6 I don't know what the message is, but I think there's nobody better to ask than you about what that message could be.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I asked about that this morning with somebody who would know and was told to not read any message into it that it was legitimately, I think they were in Cleveland for Mother's Day.

Speaker 1 He and his wife

Speaker 1 knows a lot of the players in the game, young guys who've come through his camps, obviously

Speaker 1 has the connection with Cleveland. Said Dan Gilbert was super gracious with

Speaker 1 getting him, you know, obviously allowing him to sit there. I don't know if he has to allow him.
And so to not read anything into it, I said,

Speaker 1 now,

Speaker 1 you know, he knows when he does that, like, it's going to be a conversation. I think he came in.
I'm not sure he was there for the tip. I think he kind of came in.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's never,

Speaker 1 I think his intention is still to be in L.A., to finish with the Lakers, but you guys know it isn't always a straight line to get there.

Speaker 1 And I think what I was told still is it's just going to be

Speaker 1 what does the contract look like? You can opt into your deal. You can opt out and do a two-year deal, three-year deal.

Speaker 1 I think those are the questions, but that they'll get to June or around that deadline. They'll be evaluating what it looks like, what else might be out there.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it can't change because you guys know it can. It changes on a dime in this league.

Speaker 1 But as of now, I was told that was not. meant to be a message.
But if you're the Lakers, like,

Speaker 1 okay, like,

Speaker 1 you know, listen, we went through it at the trade deadline. Ramona Shelbert and I had the story on the Warriors, and, like, the Warriors called, and they talked, and

Speaker 1 Rich eventually shut it down and said, we're not doing this. He's not interested in it.

Speaker 1 But there were a couple days there where there was some back and forth where if LeBron said, hey, I'd like to do this. There was a world where

Speaker 1 it could have happened, but he... he ultimately shut it down.
Yeah, so I heard everything you said. I respectfully disagree.
So LeBron's just going to go to Cleveland.

Speaker 1 he's either trying to go to cleveland it was smart what you said he might be trying to go to boston yeah

Speaker 1 oh

Speaker 1 interesting we didn't or he's trying to get tatum to the lakers

Speaker 1 just recruiting in person oh there's a lot of things that go out there yeah yeah lebron and boston that would be does that frustrate you ever when you're like we we're fans we like to play fan fiction we like to just make stuff up are you ever like Everyone's just making this up and

Speaker 1 it's not in facts. Listen, well,

Speaker 1 I don't have my job if people don't

Speaker 1 love that.

Speaker 1 Like, that's part of why I've been able to do this. So, like, you're allowed to.
Like, it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, if we're going to do like a 15-minute segment on ESPN about something that maybe is not based in reality, that's different than people doing it on social media.

Speaker 1 Like, that's the fun of it. It's like, that's what people love about.

Speaker 1 like the player movement. And you've seen nothing as crazy as some things can sound.

Speaker 1 We've seen it in this league where yeah you go well that doesn't seem i mean i remember when i reported in the year before you know you know maybe like six months ahead of where durant went from oklahoma city to to golden state when i said hey there's

Speaker 1 these guys are batting eyelashes at each other right like golden state's at the cap space

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 warrior players were already starting to kind of recruit lebron or excuse me LeBron, KD, and this is a possibility in free agency. People were like, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 They were, I remember the day I reported it, I think the Warriors were 44 and 4. Like, they're not bringing KD in, but teams are always planning.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 it wasn't done that day, but the idea that it couldn't happen, and it did seem preposterous. Like, he's going to go to the Warriors.

Speaker 1 But, like we said, like, LeBron going to Miami and then LeBron going back to Cleveland. It made it easier for guys like KD and other guys to say, I'm going to go play where I want when I want, right?

Speaker 1 Like, you're not seeing guys in free agency anymore. You're like,

Speaker 1 Many fewer guys are like out in free agency. It's like I'm going to sign the Super Max where I am.
I'm going to take my money now and I'm going to fix the destination later.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go in the portal. Yeah.
Right? Like this is going to be a summer of like a bunch of guys in the NBA portal. Yeah.
Like I'm not taking less money to go summer as a free agent.

Speaker 1 You'll just trade me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about, what about when an anonymous Twitter account starts getting some things right? Do you have to like look at it and you're like, oh shit, they got this?

Speaker 1 Or like, you know, we had the material change kid. I can't remember what free agency.

Speaker 6 That was was Kawhi, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was Kawhi, where he just reported something and then was way wrong. And there's like, what was the material change?

Speaker 6 You think he was going to go to the Lakers, maybe? Yeah. And he went to the Clippers according to this guy.

Speaker 1 But is there ever, is there ever like someone who's reporting something? It's like, they're anonymous, but they, they just got two in a row that are right.

Speaker 1 And like, now I got to stop looking into this. I think, like, you can predict.
Like, there's a difference between predicting and reporting. Right.
I've got a report, but you could sit around and

Speaker 1 like you could make predictions that are going to come true. Now, no one's going to count all the, no one's going to pay attention to all the ones that didn't.
Right.

Speaker 1 But if you hit on three out of 10 or three out of 20 or three out of eight, if I do that on my job, I'm back working Parks and Rec in Bristol, Connecticut, down the street from ESPN where I started out.

Speaker 6 What about the biggest trade that didn't happen? One that almost went down, but they backed out.

Speaker 1 Oh, good question. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I'd say Kobe Pistons. That was close.
Kobe Bowles, too. Kobe Bulls.
But like, there was a deal with the Pistons where

Speaker 1 it was like Rip Hamilton. I reported it

Speaker 1 way after.

Speaker 1 I don't remember. It was like Tayshon, Rip Hamilton, a bunch of picks.
And Kobe, they had agreed to it, essentially, the two teams, but Kobe had a want to do it. And I think he went to

Speaker 1 Jerry Buss's house. And

Speaker 1 they just decided, I think Jerry, you know, Kobe was in that period where, like, I want out of here, and I think he kind of pulled him back in.

Speaker 1 That trade was agreed to, like, the two teams were the terms, but it was contingent on the Lakers didn't want to do it for obvious reasons.

Speaker 1 And then Kobe just said, I'm going to, I'm not, I don't want to do this trade.

Speaker 1 But, like, it was, I mean, think of how different the world would have been if Kobe lands at the Pistons or the Bulls or Dallas. You know, like that summer, he, they talked with a bunch of teams.

Speaker 1 They were ready to do it. Yeah.
And looking back, you know, he,

Speaker 1 you know, I know he was obviously glad he played his whole career in LA. Yeah, it worked out for you.
Yeah. All right.
So, Woj, this has been awesome. We want you back on your recurring guests now.

Speaker 1 So you actually have to come back on whenever we ask.

Speaker 1 But I had one last question.

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Speaker 1 Full disclosure, I wanted this isn't even a question.

Speaker 1 Have you thought about changing the Twitter avatar picture? Updating it, possibly. What is it now? Just a picture of me.
It's just a picture of you. Is it a bad picture? Kind of smug.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I pulled up all the times we've talked about you. I want to be full disclosure here.
Some things we've made.

Speaker 1 Let me see this. Hold on.
Yeah, you're smug.

Speaker 6 Like, very professional. Yeah, but you're smug.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's smug. It's a little smug.
There are many smug pictures of me. I don't think that's one of them.
Is that a Picture Day?

Speaker 6 Did you have Picture Day at any ESPN?

Speaker 1 No, that's like on set for Sports Center. That's an old one.
Wait, wait, two pairs of glasses. Let me see it.
Oh, no, you updated it. Okay, never mind.
The one I'm looking at is

Speaker 1 the really smug one.

Speaker 1 That's okay.

Speaker 1 That was my first headshot at ESPN. Okay, all right.
They use that on TV

Speaker 1 when I'm not on air, and I replaced that one. I didn't love it.
Okay, good.

Speaker 1 We're good. Then I don't have to say all the things we said about that picture.
Go ahead. Okay,

Speaker 1 I think this was

Speaker 1 me. I said, Woj's Twitter picture pisses me off.
He's got that smug. I want to punch this guy in the face look.
PFT said, it's the body language.

Speaker 1 It looks like LinkedIn picture for some financial banker. I said, he thinks he's a big wig at J.P.
Morgan on Wall Street, but he's really just at Omaha Mutual.

Speaker 1 PFT said he's a vice president, but he works at a place where there's like 200 vice presidents, so they don't have to call them salespeople. I said, you're a VP, but you get no equity.

Speaker 1 He just looks like he knows something. I don't know, and I want to punch him.
PFT says he does. He knows every single pick in the NBA draft.
I am glad I changed that pick.

Speaker 1 I want to just let you know that there was a moment in time where

Speaker 1 we want to punch him and also put him.

Speaker 1 None of that was unfair, by the way.

Speaker 6 In the new one, you look like a senior vice president. Yeah, you look good.

Speaker 1 You've gotten a promotion. Yeah.
Congrats. I like to, we like to, you know, the beauty of this show is if you come on, you end up looking good because we'll just say the dumb shit we said about you.

Speaker 1 And if you can take it, it's great. So good that you updated it.
You're no longer,

Speaker 1 you know, VP. If I change it again, can I text text you guys?

Speaker 1 Can I give you three or four choices?

Speaker 6 Yeah, guess what?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll have a final section. Please do.

Speaker 1 Maybe bring Rossini in. Yeah, we'll just do like a ranking of which one we want to fight the most.

Speaker 1 It'd be a quick fight if you haven't figured it out yet.

Speaker 1 Well, whoa, you got one last question?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just had a question about more of a big picture future of the NBA type of thing.

Speaker 6 If you're looking outside, we can generally agree there's like six teams that are kind of at the top, five or six teams.

Speaker 6 Outside of those, maybe it's a team team that didn't make the playoffs. Maybe it's a team that is kind of in the bottom tier of the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Next two, three years, what's a franchise that you think is motivated to make changes that will result in them kind of entering that discussion of the upper echelon?

Speaker 1 The Spurs are coming because of Victor. I had a

Speaker 1 GM slash president of one of the teams who's very much in the mix for a championship right now who said to me a couple weeks ago, we better all get our winning out of the way fast.

Speaker 1 We better get our winning done fast because once that kid has anybody around him, he's going to win everything all the time. Wow.

Speaker 6 You think they make a change this offseason? They get aggressive, or is that something that they're going to wait on?

Speaker 1 I think because they have so many picks, I think they want to improve the point guard position.

Speaker 1 They could go out in the trade market and get like a solid veteran point guard who can kind of bridge them for a couple years. They have so many picks.

Speaker 1 Maybe they find a point guard in this draft, Dillingham from Kentucky or Reeth Shepard, whoever it is.

Speaker 1 But next year's draft is loaded. They could have as many as four lottery picks based on, and so,

Speaker 1 like, I don't think they're going all in on some veteran who makes $40 or $50 million. They don't have to.
They just got to get something on Victor's timeline.

Speaker 1 They'll be way better next year because he's going to be so good. And listen, they have to put pieces around him.

Speaker 1 He's going to dominate this league in ways, like, I think on both ends of the floor. Unlike we've seen.
Wow. All right.
Hey, good question. Well, Woach, this has been awesome.
We've really been here.

Speaker 1 Great, guys. I appreciate it.
Honor being here. Yeah, a lot of fun.
And yeah, when we call on you in the future, you're going to have to.

Speaker 1 I will step too. We're Woach guys.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that.

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Speaker 6 And now here's Shane Bacon.

Speaker 8 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest, friend of the program. It is Shane Bacon.
He is in Louisville, Kentucky at Valhalla for the PGA Championship, which starts on Thursday.

Speaker 1 And we wanted to get some insight into the tournament. Talk to Shane.
He also is bringing back the Get a Grip pod. So go subscribe now.

Speaker 1 He also has a children's book out that I actually read to my kids. They love it.
Only problem is too long, a little too long.

Speaker 1 We skip some pages, which is tough because the holes are numbered in the book.

Speaker 1 But you've probably been there where you're like, all right, we got to get through this book. We're going to skip.
Oh, we're a hole four. Now we're at hole 11.

Speaker 8 Big cat, I'll tell you this. I also skip holes with my daughter.

Speaker 1 So it didn't make me feel any better.

Speaker 8 You're not the only one. The guy that actually wrote the book also skips as well.

Speaker 8 Good to see you, boys. I just talked to Mr.
Homa, who I know you'll be paying close attention to.

Speaker 8 and his exact quote was hoping to be sea biscuit this week in kentucky so we'll see if uh if that actually happens um i like that for max i wait that not secretariat sea biscuit sea biscuit is dead though right they're all dead well i mean legends died big hey you know that yeah sea biscuit died a long time ago but wait wasn't sea biscuit small uh

Speaker 1 well it was a horse yeah but it was like small for a horse in horse sense i i liked i like that max is getting into it because i feel like there's going to be a lot of that uh horse puns all weekend on the Susan whiskey.

Speaker 8 Prepare yourselves for a lot of that this week. They're pushing that pretty heavy.
I think there's like little thing, like

Speaker 8 the big boots and structures around the golf course that are kind of promoting that as well. So that's going to be a big part of the week, as to be expected.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It would rock if they put like a wreath of black-eyed Susans or roses on the winner right afterwards, like they're a horse. Yeah.
And then have a horse come up and interview them.

Speaker 1 That's my favorite part of the Derby.

Speaker 6 But we were just talking about Max Homa, so I want to make sure to talk about him right off the bat. He is in my threesome of the week, which is Brooks, Max, and Speeth, I believe.

Speaker 1 Okay. So

Speaker 6 in a threesome, somebody always gets their feelings hurt. I feel like Speeth is going to be on the outside looking.
I feel like Max and Brooks, this tournament sets up pretty well for them.

Speaker 6 Am I way off?

Speaker 8 No, no, no. Dialed.
I mean, this is, you know, it's wet here. It's been raining the last couple of days.
I think it's basically going to rain off and on until Sunday.

Speaker 8 So when you're looking at players to pick or favorites to kind of focus on, I'm looking at guys that hit it far and hit it high, guys like Roy McElroy and Brooks. Max is kind of sneaky long as well.

Speaker 8 That's a big golf term that we like to throw out there. So I like those two, but I think you're dialed on.

Speaker 8 The person on the outside looking in, Jordan just hasn't really played great golf in the last few years. And Jordan's one of those players that's still looking for the career grand slam.

Speaker 8 If he could win this week, I mean, he would join legitimately the most elite group in all of golf.

Speaker 8 I think there's been just five players ever that have won the career grand slam, but I don't think this is a Jordan Speed golf course.

Speaker 8 So yeah, when you're looking at that threesome, I think Brooks and Max are the likely candidates to come out of that.

Speaker 1 All right, so Valhalla, can you tell us just the history and what this course is going to give us?

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 the intricacies, what's the unique thing, what games match up well? I know you just mentioned a little bit of it, but give us the download of Valhalla because

Speaker 1 I still don't.

Speaker 1 The schedule still has snuck up on me every year. Now they moved the PGA to second.
It's going to take me a few more years to be able to mentally get through that.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and they'll probably move back to the end of the year once you kind of get comfortable with that. I probably am feeling the same thing as you.

Speaker 8 First things first, I looked up what Valhalla means because I know you probably asked that.

Speaker 8 It's the great hall described in Norse mythology where the souls of Vikings feasted and celebrated with the gods. Now, that sounds relatively grandiose.
I bet PFT liked that.

Speaker 8 But it's a golf course that hasn't hosted a million major championships. This is just its fourth in terms of PGA championships.

Speaker 8 Marks Brooks won the first, and then, of course, they get Tiger winning and that duel with Bob May. And then Rory won in 2014.
It's a golf course that has two completely different nine holes.

Speaker 8 I was talking to a couple of the players today, and they're talking about the front nine and the back nine almost look like different golf courses, but it is really, really long.

Speaker 8 And I mentioned it's really soft. So I think it favors longer players.
Like, I'm looking at Rory, kind of looking on like the sleeper sides of things.

Speaker 8 I like Minwu Lee, who has had some success this year and has played well in majors as of late.

Speaker 8 Saw hit the gala, also a guy that I'm kind of focused on this week, maybe outside of those top five players.

Speaker 8 But you got to beat it forever and you got to hit it relatively straight because the rough is gnarly and it's going to play like that.

Speaker 8 And when you look historically outside of Mark Brooks, you know, Tiger in 2000, one of the longest guys in golf, and Rory, of course, in 2014, the longest guy at the time, and still one of the longest players in golf.

Speaker 8 So that's kind of what you're going to get here this week.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think Valhalla, if I remember my Mad Max correctly, and I think I do,

Speaker 6 it's where you, the souls of warriors go there in the afterlife. It's like, witness me, I'm about to die, then I'm going to be in heaven.
It's like Norse heaven, I guess.

Speaker 6 Hank made a face when you said Minwu Lee. I just want to put that on the record.
Hank thinks that's a disgusting pick on your part. I'm going to go with you.

Speaker 6 You pay more attention to golf than Hank does.

Speaker 6 So I'm going to tell you a lot of things.

Speaker 1 A play less than Hank. I play less than Hank as well.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a definite.

Speaker 6 But from an outside, he'd be one of the guys that's a long shot that you're looking at that could, his game translates well.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, he's one of the longest guys on tour. He's eighth on the PGA tour this season in driving distance.
He's got kind of more comfortable over the last couple of years in terms of majors,

Speaker 8 top 22 and three of his last four major starts, including a tie for fifth last year at the U.S. Open.
I feel like Minwulee is kind of waiting to break through in that regard.

Speaker 8 So even though Haig kind of hates the pick, I feel like Minwulee's going to have a good weekend.

Speaker 6 If he hates it, it's a good pick. Yeah.
So you said that the front nine and the back nine are like two different courses. In what ways are they different?

Speaker 8 I mean, just like undulation, what the holes look like. It almost looks like they took two different nines on two different golf courses and kind of married them together.

Speaker 8 Even kind of the way the holes move and meander feel very, very different. There's a lot more water as you kind of creep over to the back nine.
So it's very unique like that.

Speaker 8 There's not a lot of golf courses that feel very much like you're playing two different courses.

Speaker 8 But the players that I've talked to said they love the back nine a lot more than the front nine, which is obviously what we want as golf fans.

Speaker 8 I mean, you prefer the better holes and the more fun holes to be as they're kind of closing things down on the weekend.

Speaker 1 So I think this is the longest a PGA championship preview has ever gone without mentioning the name Scotty Scheffler. Scotty Scheffler is the best golfer in the world.

Speaker 1 It's not really close right now.

Speaker 1 Is this just going to be another Scotty Scheffler tournament? I mean, it's crazy what he's doing. And it's not just the Masters.

Speaker 1 It was before the Masters, but is anyone even close to him, if Scotty plays his A-minus game, can someone beat him?

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 not at all. If he's anywhere in the A's, even the B's, I feel like Scotty's going to win.
I mean, four wins in his last five starts.

Speaker 8 The one win he didn't have was a T second, or he missed a 10-footer, and it would have been five straight.

Speaker 8 What he's doing, I mean, I looked at his stats earlier, and when you scroll through it, it's just a one next to everything. It's bananas to see somebody doing this.

Speaker 8 And I mean, you're getting so many comps to what Tiger used to do, right? And what we're seeing with Scotty right now.

Speaker 8 And when you dive into the stats, I mean, that's when you really start to see kind of 2000, 2001, 2002 Tiger Woods.

Speaker 8 This guy leads in par three scored and par four scored and stroskain off the T's and around the green and iron play. It's so complete, big cat, that it's incredibly impressive to watch.

Speaker 8 And obviously, it took him a little bit of time to pick up that win. You know, you think earlier in the season, even the major championships last year, he was getting close, but he wasn't winning.

Speaker 8 Picking up a couple of the wins once he switched putters has been huge for him. And then I always say winning the second major is the toughest major to win.
Anybody can kind of win one, right?

Speaker 8 I mean, you go through the history of golf. There's a lot of quote-unquote no-names that have won one major championship.
There's not a lot of no-names that have won two.

Speaker 8 And when you look at these young players, we've got a list of one-time major winners. So to pick up that second, to win the Masters, now kind of gets it rolling and gets it flowing.

Speaker 8 I feel like it's going to be more comfortable for Scotty.

Speaker 8 And also something Scotty has that a lot of the players in the field don't is he's had a couple of weeks off you know this is a guy that didn't play last week and I think that'll bode well for Scotty coming into this week and also Scotty, a guy that bombs it.

Speaker 8 You know, this is a guy that we talk so much about the complete game and the distance is incredible. And Colin Morakawa talked about it after he played with him at Augustin Ashley.

Speaker 8 He said, you know, I'm hitting five irons into some of these par fours, and Scotty's hitting eight iron. I mean, I'm just not going to hit it as close as he is.

Speaker 8 So I think right now in pro golf, it is Scotty on the men's side and Nelly Corda on the women's side, and then everybody else, and the gap is growing right now.

Speaker 1 It is fun for golf when we have, I know, you know, domination makes it maybe not as fun on Sunday, but like when Tiger was doing it, just going into a tournament being like, if this guy's playing his game, we're just going to get to watch a spectacle.

Speaker 1 And that's what it feels like right now with Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, you asked the A-minus game. What I look at is who has to play their A game to compete.
I look at Rory. I look at Brooks, even look at Max.

Speaker 8 I mean, those guys, if they play A, A plus golf, they can compete and potentially beat Scotty Scheffler. But most guys don't have their A games at major championships.

Speaker 8 So if a guy shows up at the B plus game, they're just not going to be able to hang with that guy. He's so consistent.
He makes no mistakes. He plays really smart.

Speaker 8 I mean, Scotty's doing all the things that Tiger used to do.

Speaker 8 You know tiger's the most conservative great player ever you know that's something that we kind of you know misconceptualized when we thought about the way tiger went about his business he hit to the fat part of the greens you know he wouldn't take a lot of chances unless he was super comfortable that's the thing i see the most similar to tiger with scotty is he knows exactly where to mit where to hit it where maybe he makes birdie but he's absolutely not going to make bogey and that's tough when you're trying to chase that guy down yeah what about tiger this week he said that he feels like he could win i i would like for tiger to be in contention i think he says that before every tournament though, because he's obviously a competitor.

Speaker 6 And he doesn't go into a tournament and think like, oh, I don't have a chance at winning. But

Speaker 6 it's his first tournament with his new line of clothes, right? So maybe we're going to get a boost from that.

Speaker 8 Played Riviera. I think he was Sunday Red.
He played Masters Sunday Red, but I think this might be the first one where you can buy the clothes.

Speaker 8 So yeah, maybe he does get the boost from, you know, saying, hey, this shirt looked great when I shot 67. Go online and purchase it.
You know, maybe there's a discount code or something like that.

Speaker 8 But, you know, I'm surprised he's playing, honestly. I'm surprised he's playing this golf course, considering the length and considering what these types of venues ask.

Speaker 8 I look at Tiger right now, and I think the only major he can really contend in and potentially win is the British Open because firm, fast, warm, things like that play into his hands.

Speaker 8 It's just going to be tough for Tiger to play at a wet and soft golf course that plays this long when he's 40 and 50 yards behind a Scotty Scheffler or a Brooks or a Rory.

Speaker 8 I mean, that's just the kind of the window he's playing in right now.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and what about Rory? I know there's a lot going on in his personal life right now. Probably not the best timing for that, for him mentally to be entering this weekend.

Speaker 6 Kind of feel bad for him on that front, but he did win last weekend.

Speaker 6 And we were saying, I don't know if there's any actual statistical evidence to back this up, but we feel like Rory is the king of winning a tournament close to a major, and then everybody thinking Rory's back, he's going to win this one, and then nothing happens.

Speaker 6 How does this course set up for Rory? And is he playing good enough where if he has like an A, A minus effort, that he could beat anybody not named Scotty Scheffler?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I would say outside of kind of the news today, he was going to be my pick.

Speaker 8 I mean, just considering the way he's played coming in, you know, the last time Rory won a major championship, which was at Valhalla, was 2014. He won the two events headed in.

Speaker 8 Well, he's won two events headed in here. So when you're kind of looking at reasons to pick Rory, the other thing I think about is like not to get too deep into the personal stuff.

Speaker 8 I mean, that's Rory's deal in Rory's situation. But when Rory had the chip on his shoulder and kind of played golf like an asshole was when he played the best golf.

Speaker 8 And so I look at Rory right now and maybe that plays into his hands because he's tried everything else.

Speaker 8 He's come in playing a whole bunch of events in a row and not played great at majors and he's taken weeks off and not played great at majors and not won.

Speaker 8 So maybe there's some level of, you know, everybody's against me. The world's looking at me.
They're judging me. Let me go out here and just kind of step on some necks and play some great golf.

Speaker 8 So if you're looking for any reason to pick Rory went in his first major since 2014, maybe you can lean into that.

Speaker 1 So he's like, well, how can I fix my game swing, whatever? Let's try divorce. Yeah, well, he's back on the market.
That might be, he might say like,

Speaker 6 if I win, girls are looking at him. I'm going to be, I'm a champion, baby.
That's true.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows that feeling of like, oh, are those hot girls looking at me? I better fucking crush this drive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He crushes most drives. Let me just say that.

Speaker 8 I mean, hey, it was the number, like the stuff. I was talking to a player today.
I feel like Rory is one of the rare players that's gotten into his 30s and has gotten longer.

Speaker 8 And when you watch him, like watched him at the Wells Fargo last week, I mean, mean, he's able to take on holes and take on bunkers that almost nobody else in the field can do.

Speaker 8 And the way he drove the ball last week, he's going to have to do it this week to be competitive.

Speaker 8 But I just feel like he was struggling so much with the driver earlier this year, which is something he never struggles with, right? I mean, that's like Steph Curry struggling from three.

Speaker 8 Like Steph's going to make threes. Like maybe he gets bumped inside, or maybe he's struggling on defense, but you can rely on the three-point shot if you're Steph Curry.

Speaker 8 Rory could always rely on the driver, and it went away for about four months.

Speaker 8 Now that it's back, I feel like he can go back out there and kind of smoke it over some of the lines on a golf course he knows well, and he's one on. That plays into his hands, obviously.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about our guy? And I already made this bet, so it doesn't matter what you say to me after it, but I love Will Zalatoris. I was looking at it last night.
He's not playing well. What's up with him?

Speaker 1 I already bet him to win, so that's been decided. But

Speaker 1 what's going on with his game? And does he have ⁇ because it always feels like when Will Zalatoris is playing well, he'll be in the mix. But does he have a playing well in his his bag right now?

Speaker 8 I think he does. And I think Will Zalatoris is one of those guys that the harder the golf course, the better it is for his game because he hits it so well.

Speaker 8 I mean, there are, big cat, there are probably 10 guys in pro golf that are just at another level in terms of ball striking. And everybody on tour knows who those guys are, right? That's Rory.

Speaker 8 That's Max. That's Brooks Kepka.
That's Scottie Scheffler. Zalatoris is in that group.

Speaker 8 And so when you think about major championships, they're longer, the rough is higher, there's a premium on hitting fairways. All of those things play into this thing.

Speaker 8 It's almost like guys that step up in the playoffs, right? Maybe they're not great during the regular season, but they find another gear or their game translates in the playoffs.

Speaker 8 He's one of those playoff type of players. So I like Zalatoris as well this week.

Speaker 8 I don't really care what kind of form he's in coming into these type of events because he seems to step it up no matter if he's playing great or not.

Speaker 8 Because again, these golf courses demand more from everybody, and he's one of those players that that doesn't scare him.

Speaker 1 He's greatly five to one.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I like those odds. You mentioned all the great ball strikers.
You left off Blocky.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Blocky's going to probably win this week. Because

Speaker 6 it's a year to the point where he captured America's Hearts for about 93 hours, and then he talked about Rory McElroy.

Speaker 6 If he had Rory McElroy's T-shots on every hole, what would he shoot? Would he be top 10, top 20?

Speaker 8 Career Grand Slam, probably. I mean, he probably would have won the Masters.
He probably would have won Wells Fargo. He would win this week for sure.

Speaker 8 Thinking about Pinehurst, I think it plays at Pinehurst, so U.S. opens his, and then Shroon is where the open's at.
So, I mean, you're talking a Scotty level run if Blocky could hit it like Rory.

Speaker 8 I'm with you there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Blocky's not a bad guy, but I'll be honest. I'm rooting for him to finish dead last.
It'd be fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It would be. No, yeah, it'd be fun.
I want him on.

Speaker 6 I want to finish dead last, but I also want him to have a hole in one and still finish dead last.

Speaker 1 I want him to finish dead, dead last and just be like, oh, man, if he had Rory's distance.

Speaker 1 Would you rather make a hole in one and shoot your best score ever or make a hole in one and shoot like an obnoxiously high score oh obnoxious 125 yeah yeah yeah it just stands out yeah yeah oh yeah that would be way better if i shot like a 148 with a hole in one

Speaker 6 it's hard to do with you i mean i i think again you're gonna frame the scorecard right right so why not make the hole in one the ally right yeah yeah it'd be great um we have to ask you about the uh the live merger because i feel at this point that when they made that announcement last year They didn't have anything at all ready to go.

Speaker 6 They just got done with a meeting and he was like, okay, I think we're going to do a merger.

Speaker 8 let's do a press conference they had no plans in place whatsoever am i am i off on thinking that it was just like a spur of the moment we're going to make this announcement no idea how it's going to work because people are resigning it's not going anywhere nobody knows what the hell is going on they didn't have ready to go when they said this last summer did they it feels like it it feels like it was just kind of one of those things you throw out there it's like the it's like the hawks getting the number one pick and you're going we're going to rebuild man like we look what we can do now with our team is there really a plan in the back room or is everybody just high five and because they had the top pick i don't really understand what's happening in the background everybody's leaving guys are getting voted off the pack rory's not allowed back on now it seems as far as it's ever been in terms of a merger the one thing i will say about live and the pga tour it feels like the parties are more comfortable now like almost being apart if that makes sense i don't know if you guys feel the same way in terms of observation but it feels like live players are really comfortable being live players and pga tour players are really comfortable being PJ tour players and they're just kind of coexisting.

Speaker 8 They show up at the majors. They play practice rounds.

Speaker 8 I loved what Brooks said a couple of months ago when he was asked, who, if you had to play one round of golf the rest of your life with one pro, who would you pick? And he said, Rory.

Speaker 8 Like, it seems like it's kind of sympathetico between these two parties, and they're just kind of existing. But I don't know what happened last year.
I don't know what's happened in 12 months.

Speaker 8 And it feels like every six weeks or so, we get a press conference that something's going to happen and then nothing ever does.

Speaker 6 I feel like what happened was the PGA guys that stuck around, they realize that the PGA has been kind of full of shit on this. So they don't have that same animosity towards the live.

Speaker 6 They can't be like, you're leaving this great institution. We care so much about this institution and the future of the game because they realize that, oh, yeah, they don't have a plan in place.

Speaker 6 Nothing is happening. So it's like they've kind of come over to the other side, which is why we're seeing more and more players, I think, leave the PGA tour.
I think the PGA...

Speaker 6 has a leaderboard problem where on Sundays in every tournament, it feels like you just look at the leaderboard and you're like, What is this? Is this a major event?

Speaker 6 Is this an event that people usually play in? Are you guys skipping this week?

Speaker 6 And then you look at the live leaderboard, and the irony is nobody's really watching the live, but the leaderboards look great. Hank is watching it, but the leaderboards look so much better.

Speaker 6 And that's what casual golf fans like us care about is just that one quick glance and be like, I don't know any of these guys. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Hey, what is Hank like outside of the Patriots?

Speaker 1 What is Hank like outside? That's a good question.

Speaker 8 What is because I feel like I hear a lot of complaining, and I'm just wondering, like, Hank, can you give me three things you love in life?

Speaker 1 In life? Yeah. Golf.
Yeah, yeah, just in life.

Speaker 1 I don't complain at all. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Golf, give it to us. Golf, family, podcasting, friends, vacation, vacation, the ocean.
Hank is a big live golf fan. He is like a huge live golf fan.
He turns it on all the time.

Speaker 8 Hank, do you set your alarm and wake up early or no?

Speaker 1 No, I mean,

Speaker 1 I think the ones Bitcat's talking about was this last run when they were in Hong Kong and Singapore, and we were watching at night.

Speaker 1 Like, we were watching Sunday afternoon or Sunday night, and I was like, let's put on Live. Yeah.
I'm a big time. If golf's on, you know, call me crazy.
If golf's on, I'd rather watch live golf.

Speaker 1 Than anything else. No, but like, if it's, if, if it's on, I'm going to, I'm going to watch it.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Well, like, the, the live leaderboard thing has been so interesting because obviously they've got smaller fields, but you know, I mean, the recipe for success in terms of somebody looking online or even watching it on the leaderboard is you're inevitably going to get five of those guys in the top 10 because they're just so much better than than the guys maybe at the bottom 20.

Speaker 8 So, ROM's going to be involved, Brooks is going to be involved, Bryson's going to be involved. And so, if you're a casual golf fan and you dive into the leaderboard, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 8 I will give the PJ tour a little credit. It feels like the last couple of weeks, we've had some better leaderboards, which has been nice because I'm with you, PFT.

Speaker 8 The first couple of months were relatively brutal in terms of leaderboards.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. So, if you were to take like a big, big outsider, like a type of long shot that we saw win some tournaments this year, who would be the biggest outsider that you would put money on? I,

Speaker 8 I think Sahit Thagala kind of makes sense there. I mean, again, you're talking about he's probably 150 to 1-ish, I'd say.
Big cat, you can check that and let me know.

Speaker 8 I mean, he's probably floating around that number. He'd ranked sixth in total strokes gain, 20th in driving distance, 12th in putting over the last three months.
He's a guy that has been

Speaker 8 finding his game and getting more comfortable in terms of tour setups. He's also a guy that misses fairways and kind of lives by missing fairways.

Speaker 8 And when I say that, I mean there are Wills Alatorus types that stripe it all the time.

Speaker 8 And then there are dudes that, like Phil Mickelson, did this throughout his career that hit it all over the place and could play from those spots.

Speaker 8 And I feel like Saw hit this kind of modern Phil in that regard. So I'd say he's probably in that 100-125 to 1 range that I kind of like this week.

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Speaker 1 Can Max win this tournament?

Speaker 8 Yep, absolutely.

Speaker 8 I think Max is an athlete that when he gets a taste, he gets a taste. You know, you think about Riviera in 2021, right? This is a guy that had longed to win that golf tournament.

Speaker 8 He wins Riviera, and then he wins four times in the next two years.

Speaker 8 He got a taste a little bit at the open last year, finished the top 10, then he didn't have to answer any of those questions about major championship golf anymore.

Speaker 8 Then he gets to the Masters and gets himself in contention. I remember talking to Max after an event a few years ago, and he was close to winning.
And I asked him kind of on Monday, how does it feel?

Speaker 8 And where are you at? And he said, I just want to get back to that moment again. Like, I want to be back in the arena.
I want to feel those same sensations that I just felt.

Speaker 8 And so I imagine that once he left Augusta National and a couple of days passed and he realized Scotty was just at a different level. I'm sure Max felt very similar to that.

Speaker 8 I think Max can absolutely win here. I think it's a good golf course for him.
And I feel like he's been playing better and better golf than we saw early in the season.

Speaker 8 So absolutely, I think, I think Max not only can win, but I think he's in probably my top three favorites right now.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 6 I love that for Max.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 6 My last question is about the Champions Dinner because I didn't realize that the PGA championship had a champions dinner like the Masters does.

Speaker 6 So it was last year, and I think JT made a little off-color joke about Mito, right? And then people talked about that for a while. When is the Champions Dinner for the PGA? Is it Monday?

Speaker 6 Is it tonight?

Speaker 8 I believe it's tonight. If that tells you anything, I'm not even sure the night it's on.

Speaker 8 I did just see Mark Brooks walking through uh the compound about 10 minutes ago and he seemed to be leaving so maybe he was going to get you know cleaned up and put the suit on um but i think the chance i'm pretty sure this dinner players have skipped in the past so it doesn't quite feel like the one we see obviously at augusta national but um as we know anything in sports everybody's kind of a limbing so once somebody does it they're like we should do that as well and uh and the pga does it now but i believe it's tonight okay that's really the only reason i would want to win a tournament to come back for those dinners would you go tucks?

Speaker 8 Would you go suit? What would you go?

Speaker 1 I'd probably, I don't know, probably just a t-shirt.

Speaker 6 T-shirt, sweatpants. Just keep it comfortable.

Speaker 8 Lay it out there. Maybe it should be that.
Maybe that should be their thing. Like, the masters does, you pick the menu.
Maybe the winner of the PGA should pick the outfits everybody has to wear.

Speaker 6 You're picking like a theme. Pick a theme for the night.

Speaker 1 Like the Met Gala.

Speaker 8 That's smart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 Or, yeah, I was just thinking back through all the college parties I went to. Probably all of those are not acceptable for mixed company, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Shane, thank you as always.
We appreciate it. And have fun out there and we'll be watching the whole thing.
All right.

Speaker 8 Thanks, boys. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's finish up with guys on Chicks. Before that, quick question.
Should we be having Hank read these questions?

Speaker 6 Yeah, guys on this. Hank, can we do Guys on Women? Is that okay this time? Yep.

Speaker 1 Before that, do you think what is more significant?

Speaker 1 Scotty Scheffler baby bump? Rory McElroy divorce bump.

Speaker 6 Right, so I think it might be Rory Divorce Bump.

Speaker 1 I agree. Because.
But we're a baby bump show. We are, but I don't know.

Speaker 6 This might be too soon for the baby bump in golf. Consider, is the U.S.
Open on Father's Day?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.

Speaker 1 Yes. It is.
Yes.

Speaker 1 So Father's Day is going to be Sunday of the U.S.

Speaker 6 Open. The baby will probably be at the U.S.
Open on Sunday in attendance.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 6 I don't know if the baby is going to be there this weekend

Speaker 1 on the course. I would say no.
But

Speaker 1 that's not the

Speaker 1 sense of the baby bump.

Speaker 6 But no, think about it.

Speaker 6 Hank, close your eyes. Picture Scotty Scheffler, U.S.
Open.

Speaker 6 Father's Day, Sunday. He's going up 18.
He holds out, and his wife and baby are right there. That feels like that's going to happen, right?

Speaker 1 True, that's fair. Hold on.
I'm going to try to find it.

Speaker 1 While you're looking for that, it's worth mentioning that Scotty's Caddy will not be there on Saturday because he's attending his son's high school graduation.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say this about his friend is caddying on Saturday at a major.

Speaker 6 Scotty Scheffler, too much perspective.

Speaker 1 Way too much.

Speaker 6 Too much perspective.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 6 I mean, his caddy is missing a major for high school graduation.

Speaker 1 It's just a Saturday round.

Speaker 6 It's a moving day. Yeah.
It's important.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think there's a bet you can do where it's like 1-2.

Speaker 1 And maybe we just do that. 1-2 Scheffler

Speaker 1 Zach the Box. Yeah, 1-2

Speaker 1 Max. But 1-2, Scheffler McElroy, and then 1-2.
This is also, I mean, Brooks did win his first event.

Speaker 1 I guess now.

Speaker 6 He won his fourth event on the live tour.

Speaker 1 No, I know, but that wasn't the first event since he had the kid, but but he did get the baby bump like

Speaker 1 he had the kid on him on the 18th and all the cute pictures and stuff. Rory's last major, 2014, this course.

Speaker 6 Yep.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 6 It is also a possibility that Scheffler wins both.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say so.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 25 to 1. Scotty Scheffler, Rory McElroy.

Speaker 1 And then you could just do it reverse, Rory Scotty.

Speaker 1 That might be the move. Hey, boys, why is is it that my boyfriend and his roommate have a 1,500-foot Ethernet cable legit running through their apartment?

Speaker 1 They say it's for a better internet connection for when they drop in with the boys. Yep.
Warzone. But it is more than just that.
But is it more than just that? Huge fan.

Speaker 1 Tell Jake the Bing Bong Maxi on last weekend's PGA call made my boyfriend's weekend. Thanks.
Love that.

Speaker 6 I think you're reading too much into Ethernet cable. I think it's like the first thing I thought of, it's the meme of like the girl in bed.
I bet he's using that Ethernet for weird porn.

Speaker 6 And then he's just thinking about Call of Duty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, um, this is one of those situations where you got to just trust that guys are dumb, and this is like a dumb hobby is just what it is.

Speaker 6 And if it weren't for women, I think most guys would just have cables running roughshod all over their apartment or houses, dude, just functional.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you've got an extension cord going across your like basement. Yeah, that's because that's where that's the good hole around that side of the wall.

Speaker 1 That's where I get all the power.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, sup, boys.

Speaker 1 My boyfriend and his roommate have a secret hand signals that they appear to do behind my back, but I've caught them a couple times.

Speaker 1 They won't share with me what the hand signals mean, and it appears they keep coming up with more since I've started to notice them.

Speaker 1 Does every guy have a secret way of communicating with their friends when they're with their girlfriends? P.S. Bing Bong Maxi.
Oh, Jake. Double.

Speaker 6 He might be in a gang.

Speaker 6 Might be just throwing up the pyru.

Speaker 1 He could be in a gang. I think, no, most guys don't have this, but it rocks.

Speaker 1 You know what? You know what should be more popular?

Speaker 1 And this is because they're in my house now.

Speaker 1 Walkie talkies. Yeah.
We should just be bringing back walkie-talkies more.

Speaker 1 We should have walkie-talkies.

Speaker 1 We've tried this before in the office in New York.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, because me and Big Cat have it on our wrists. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 But we should have walkie-talkies. Like, I would wear a walkie-talkie on my belt if we all just had walkie-talkies around the office.
It's the best when you hit it and you're just like, over.

Speaker 6 I I also think that if you're wearing a walkie-talkie and like a day-glow high-viz vest, you can get in any room in America. Yep, nobody's gonna stop a guy with walkie-talkie.

Speaker 1 If I get us some high-tech walkie-talkies, or if someone sends them to us, would you not walk around with it and we can hit each other up? Maybe for a day.

Speaker 1 What was oh man, why can't I remember the commercials? Next out, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 I used to want one of those so bad. Um,

Speaker 1 hello, PFT,

Speaker 1 Fat Cat,

Speaker 6 You wouldn't get that one, Hank.

Speaker 1 Fat Cat,

Speaker 1 Honk, Jake, and MaxiPad. I was dating this guy last year and bought tickets to the PGA championship for this weekend.
Sunday, to be exact.

Speaker 1 But since then, he's moved to cities and we basically mutually ghosted each other. Oh, that's mutually.
Mutually ghosting? Should I reach out to him and remind him of the tickets?

Speaker 6 Sounds like you're thinking about not mutually ghosting.

Speaker 1 I think I like golf a little more than he does. He grew up Amish.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 And now I'm in a pickle because I'd really like to go but i don't really have girlfriends i would enjoy watching golf for hours in the heat need some advice on what to do i think uh given the recent news that jeff nadu does not have chlamydia you should definitely have him come

Speaker 1 mutual ghosting is a wild thing to say there's no way it was mutual that that was a you can't fire me i quit like she got she or yeah she was waiting

Speaker 1 she got ghosted and like after like two texts was like you know what i might get ghosted let me pull out and ghost here two.

Speaker 6 How many relationships that were off to like a really good start do you think have been ruined by both teams playing the, I'm going to wait till they text me. Yeah.
I'm not going to text them first.

Speaker 6 And then nobody just ever texts each other out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, Hank, that hurt.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you have text her, Hank.

Speaker 1 Anyway.

Speaker 6 Hank, no, Big Cap brings up a good point. Don't let this be the one.

Speaker 1 There's been accidental ghosts. I'm not going to get into it.

Speaker 1 Send it to me.

Speaker 1 Accidental ghosts is definitely worse than a mutual ghost, right?

Speaker 6 Text right out and be like, hey, I was waiting for you to text me first, and I think

Speaker 6 the same. I really miss you.

Speaker 1 Got it. Hey, boys.

Speaker 1 Big AWL here. I'm a 34-year-old bartender, and I love my job, but I've had a hard time finding a guy who wants to commit a relationship.

Speaker 1 Is my profession the problem? Do guys assume I'm wild because of what I do for a living? What does she do?

Speaker 1 Bartender?

Speaker 6 It might be the hours. I don't know if it's about being a bartender.
There's nothing wrong with being a bartender.

Speaker 6 I think most guys are like, I don't want to date this person because they work serving liquor. I think it's like hours of bartender are crazy.

Speaker 1 But I feel like the service industry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hookups happen. Yeah, like that.

Speaker 1 I think you have to, I feel like a lot of bartenders who become professional bartenders, they have that moment where they're like, is this going to be my profession?

Speaker 1 And then you just start making enough money that it is. So if you work at a busy bar, the tips are crazy.
Like, I never understood that. Why you'd be like, oh, you're 40 and bartending?

Speaker 1 What if they're making $100,000 a year

Speaker 1 in cash tips? Yeah. Why wouldn't you do that?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think it would take a

Speaker 6 not every guy can date a bartender because I think a lot of guys would take advantage of that where they just bring all their buddies. We can get free drinks all night.

Speaker 6 And also knowing that you're going to get hit on by like every guy that you talk to every single night. Not every dude is comfortable dealing with situational.

Speaker 1 You need a true alpha male, not someone who's going to be a beta.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so when the guy does come around, he's going to be confident.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Confident and cocky.
And his name's going to be Hank.

Speaker 1 That's it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Good show. Great show.
Great show. A very fun show.

Speaker 6 The hot studio helps. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just invited you to Walkie Talkie. Oh,

Speaker 1 you've been invited. Yeah, Apple Watch.
Oh, it's on the okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Numbers: 20

Speaker 1 56.

Speaker 1 Oh, you had one in the barrel there, Max. Three.
46.

Speaker 1 What is that, Max? That's what I won with in New York. Oh, all right,

Speaker 1 someone's got to start taking 56. 99, Pug.

Speaker 6 Chake, what number are you taking?

Speaker 6 Over. 18.

Speaker 6 10-4.

Speaker 1 No, 18.

Speaker 6 He said 10-4.

Speaker 1 No, you said 10-4.

Speaker 6 Which one?

Speaker 1 10 or 4?

Speaker 6 18. You just said 10-4.
I said 18 before. That means 14.

Speaker 1 Yeah. 18.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We have everyone's numbers? Shane? 21. What was yours, Pierre? Eight.
Eight. What was yours, I think?

Speaker 1 46. I have 20.

Speaker 1 60.

Speaker 1 60.

Speaker 6 Love you guys. Talking away.

Speaker 6 I don't know what I'm to say. I'd say it anyway.

Speaker 6 Today's a matter of day to find you shy away.

Speaker 6 Oh, I'll be coming for your love of you, for your love of gay, your love of gay.

Speaker 6 Make on

Speaker 6 me,

Speaker 6 make

Speaker 6 me unpick on

Speaker 6 Joe

Speaker 6 Needless to to say,

Speaker 6 I'm not saying it's about me, stone little

Speaker 6 Say after me.

Speaker 6 Always no better to be safe than sorry, safe and sorry.

Speaker 6 Take me

Speaker 6 up

Speaker 6 I'll be

Speaker 6 gone.

Speaker 6 Things that you say,

Speaker 6 and things that I'll have away, just to play my memories away.

Speaker 6 You're all the things I've got to remember. You shine away.

Speaker 6 I'll be cool for you anyway.

Speaker 6 They

Speaker 6 gon'

Speaker 6 me.

Speaker 6 They

Speaker 6 gon'

Speaker 6 me.