JJ Redick Talking NBA Playoffs, Tyrese Maxey Saves The Sixers + Are Travis Kelce And Taylor Swift On The Rocks?

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On today's part of my take, we have our good friend J.J. Reddick on the show to talk some ball breakdown, the NBA playoffs, what happened to the Lakers, what happened to the Suns, what's going to happen going forward.
We're going to do hot seat, cool thrown. We have some awesome playoff action to talk about Tuesday night.
And also the Lakers got bounced. So we'll talk about that as well.
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Dog. Dog.
Seven points in the final 25 seconds tonight. Finished with 46 mandatory points.
He said it was a mandatory win. He needed everyone.
He was right. It was mandatory.
I want to see this. I want to see this series go seven.
Same. Same.
It was a great game. The Mecca was rocking.
Jalen Brunson was balling again. And Tyrese Maxey came and snatched souls.
Joel Embiid was, you know, he was hobbling. He didn't have his best stuff.
Tyrese Maxey basically saved. Did Tyrese Maxey save his legacy while also a legacy game? It was a double legacy game.
A double legacy by Tyrese. I think it's like you got the old dog and then the young pup, and you get the young pup to breathe some life into the old dog.
And Embiid, he was not himself tonight. His leg was definitely hurting.
he said he had a headache before the game and he was feeling it pretty bad uh but Maxie brought all the energy at the end of the game and they're gonna need it they're gonna need it because they have to they have to try to close it out on the road in game six in Philadelphia yeah that's gonna be a big time Knicks home game um down it down in Wachovia Wachovia Center uh yeah that was that That was a great game, though. That was a great playoff basketball game.
I thought for the last two minutes, I was like, poor Max. The Sixers essentially just didn't let him turn this game off.
I actually thought, weirdly, the first half was when the Knicks, you don't lose the game in the first half, but they had the Sixers on the ropes. Like they felt like the Sixers were dead.
It felt like the Sixers were ready to quit. Felt like half the team was ready to quit.
They cut it to five at half. And then at the end of the game, Tyrese Maxey just with two of the biggest shots, the and one Mitchell Robinson.
I don't know how you follow there, and then that three that he hit that was just so perfect. What a game.
Max, you're back. You're alive.
What are we thinking? Series of the year is back alive. Joel Embiid may not be able to walk, but you have Tyrese Maxey, so you have a puncher's chance.
Yeah, Tyrese Maxey was unbelievable tonight. It was really something special to see.
I can't believe that we've had this game and Game 2, both in the same series. I would love to know.
They both have to be 99% on that ESPN thing of teams to lose. Win probability, yeah.
Both times that they've lost. Maxey was absolutely incredible.
The four point play. No one's talking about the fact that he was able to.
We just talked about it. Everyone's just talked about it.
We just talked about how you can't follow that. Everyone is talking about how great that play was.
But the three, I mean, the three say how good that play was. It was an impressive play.
The fact that he pulled it off was insane. Jake, talk that play it was so amazing everyone's talking about that play everyone's literally everyone's talking about the play okay no one's talking about the low the logo three that he hit to tie it up it was awesome it does feel like this is a trade-off from game two you lost one you should have won now you stole one back like i was I was just thinking about when I went through that run of tweets being like, I can't believe we lost that game.
I can't believe we lost that game. I can't believe we lost that game.
Immediately after this, we were driving to softball. The only thing I was thinking, I can't believe we won that game.
I can't believe we won that game. It was over.
There's 28 seconds left. It was a six-point game.
Josh Hart had two free throws after that, but six-point game. You get the four-point play.
Then Josh Hart goes one for two. That was over.
You should win games when you're up six points with 28 seconds left in the NBA. Now, Max, is Embiid going to be able to walk?

I don't know Embiid

honestly

Embiid

the

Thank you. Now, Max, what are you going to do? Is Embiid going to be able to walk? I don't know.
Embiid, honestly, Embiid, the turnovers were really, really bad from him tonight. But I was a little bit impressed that he was able to make an adjustment for his game, knowing that he wasn't going to be his dominant self, driving to the basket, backing down Mitchell Robinson, because he isn't strong enough right now to do to do what he normally can but he was passing the ball like really really well it's just that sometimes he got reckless with it with the turnovers it sucks that he had the turnovers because this would be like a moment that you could look at him be to be like it was nice to see that yeah he's hurt he's obviously playing hurt but he was able to do something like still beneficial for it for the offense yeah but the turnovers were just so fucking bad and credit to you you never gave up on tobias harris he had a huge game that's stick with your guys i think later in this show i gave up on tobias harris but yeah we actually had a really big game i actually think you also didn't give up on buddy healed because Tyrese Maxey gave credit for the win to Buddy Heald today.

He gave him a quick shout out.

He said he was on the bench.

I guess that was the only minute that Maxey was on the bench. He spent talking to Buddy Heald, and he was upset.

He had missed free three throws, turned the ball over.

Buddy Heald grabbed me and said, listen, dude, you know what you can do.

Go out and make up for it.

I really appreciate Buddy for that.

Yeah.

Buddy was like, you got to go shoot because I'm not going to. So please go shoot.
But yeah, that clip, they showed the wide cam of Maxie after regulation, and he was just so fucking pumped up. And to steal that moment from the Knicks, because that crowd was crazy.
Knicks crazy and that was I mean it was just an awesome playoff game also shout out to your guy Patum with incredible incredible defense both at the end of regulation and the end of OT uh being able to stay with Jalen Brunson as he drive to the hoop and he had two huge I think the first one the first one was a block. I don't know if the second was a block, but he was just all over them.
Those were game-defining plays, being able to stay with him there. I thought there was no way Brunson wasn't making that shot.
Yeah. He kind of got a step on Batum, and Batum just so long, he was able to block that shot.
Again, yeah, no one's talking about that either. No one's talking about that.
I just talked about it. I just talked about it.
It was a great play defensively. And then at the end of overtime, I think he kind of got in the way.
Brunson wanted to pass the ball. And I forget who it was in the corner.
Made a step towards the basket, and Brunson passed it out of bounds. But he probably wouldn't have fucked it up that bad if Batum wasn't in his face.
Yeah, no, it was an awesome, awesome game. I wanted to go seven.
We're going to watch game six with Max. We'll have clips for it.
Also, tune in to J.J. Redick.
I give him an idea for how to give Joel Embiid more minutes, which I actually think Nick Nurse might do in game six. If we can get him the message, my idea might work.
All right, other games.

These are the games, like game fives are the best because they,

like you can't fuck around a game five.

We saw the Nuggets, like if they had let the Lakers stay around

and get into game six, your problems.

Now you have the Sixers still alive and you have the Bucs still alive,

which was crazy because it felt like with no Damon, no Giannis, the Pacers, I think the Pacers probably thought this too. Like we're just going to show up and win this game easily.
And then Pat Bev happened. He was fucking insane in the first half and the second quarter.
Yeah. He was awesome.
He was everywhere. He was basically like I, he did the too small on Tyrese Hallibton, which, like, that's why I love Pat Bev, because he got embarrassed on the game winner, game three, I want to say.
Yeah, game three. But it doesn't matter because it's just next fight.
He gets off the mat, and he'll do a two small on him, no problem. But the Bucs, I mean, they dominated too.
Bobby Portis, Chris Middleton, everyone's stepping up. Bucs.
Are the Bucs going to win this series if Giannis comes back? The Bucs are alive for sure. And what happened in the last game was they just had everybody get hurt or ejected from the game.
So Bobby Portis didn't get ejected this time. And then Middleton, his knee's okay.
So I guess they'll be fine yeah I mean they'll be fine I think I don't think that they're like they probably won't be favored to win this series even with Giannis coming back but if they can get it to a game seven then yes the the um I think Giannis was a game time decision today like I feel like this is is when I have to take a step back and realize that I am actually a pussy in my own real life. But when I project on other players of sports, I'm watching.
I'm like, dude, how can Giannis not play tonight? Like, how can you not play? He's really injured. You just got to want it.
You got to want it. And we've been desensitized to injuries.
We're like, oh, it's a sprained MCL. You can play on that.
Because like Phillip Rivers did one time, and we're like, oh, that's not a problem. Yeah, I tweak my knee.
I'd play. I would play.
I'm just going to say right now, you can't keep me out of game five with the season on the line. Yeah, I would come hell or high water.
I would play in a game five unless I got less than six hours of sleep. Yeah, then I would probably be like, you know what? Game time decision.
I'm out. I'm sick.
Yeah, I don't feel good. Also, the Cavs magic, the series.
Now, this max applies. No one's talking about my two thoughts from this game were Paolo is that guy.
He was awesome. Uh, kind of ran out of gas.
And then Evan Mobley is just an absolute freak defender because that block on Wagner, uh, where he was like, it was people are, you know, it was a pick and roll at the top with Paolo and magic fans. I understand.
They're like, give it a Paolo. He like live and die with Pa there.
Like, give it back to him. But I think he had a step, and just Evan Mobley is so good that it doesn't matter if you have a step on Evan Mobley.
He'll recover, and he'll block the shit out of you. It was awesome.
And no Jared Allen, and Evan Mobley stepped up. Yeah, Mobley, he's been a guy that for the last three years has had, like, two different times each year where people are like, I think Mobley's becoming a superstar.

It's just been a slow progress for him.

But defensively, he's a beast.

He's a monster.

He's so good defensively.

And my good friend Marcus, yeah, it was Marcus Morris, right?

Made those threes down the stretch.

I love to see that.

Love to see the Morris's contribute whenever possible.

My question is, if this goes seven, are they going to put it on something other than NBA TV? No, this feels like it's NBA TV. Is it NBA TV all the way? The Pacers have to win two consecutive championships to get off NBA.
The finals will be on NBA TV if the Pacers are in it. Oh, man.
Yeah, it's kind of a slap in their face, but it also kind of makes sense. No offense to either team.
But yeah, you just see the schedule like, all right, NBA TV again. I guess that's what we're doing.
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Should we talk about Monday night at all? We should. Well, you know what? Let's talk about Hank.
We could talk hockey for a second. Oh, yeah.
Let's talk hockey let's talk hockey for a second we're gonna have some hockey we're gonna have a hockey guest on friday and possibly monday as well um so we're gonna get more into hockey i know that we haven't had uh biz or wit on they have busy schedules biz is doing tnt wit is making everyone in the world angry uh series are ending though we. We have series ending.
The Islanders are out. The Jets are out.
Who else is out? Panthers knocked out the Lightning. The Lightning are out.
Yeah, the Lightning got swept. I thought the Bruins were going to win tonight because the Leafs didn't have Austin Matthews.
Yes. But what happened? They actually lost to the Leafs.
In overtime? I think it was overtime, yeah. Damn, Hank.
Can you confirm? Just got to keep it interesting. Just got to win one in Toronto now.
It's tough to win in the playoffs. The Leaf, the Leafs are a good team.
They battled through adversity tonight, and we got to come back stronger, put Swayman in the net, and we're going to win. Now, we might say that this was maybe Ryan Whitney's doing.
We'll get into Ryan Whitney a little bit later, but I feel like this one was for Ryan. Yeah, but we, I mean, the weirdly, I think we were talking about it on Sunday, but the NHL playoffs, it's usually there'll be like multiple game sevens in the first round and some of these like tight series, but it hasn't been that way this year.
Like the Knights and Stars series is awesome. That one feels like it's going to go seven, but every other series is, and obviously we'll see what happens to the Leafs and Bruins, but a lot of these series are over, and we're already on to the second round.
I thought the Islanders were going to win tonight. I really did.
Memes? I thought so, too, and then they scored two goals in eight seconds again. Yeah, that was bad.
Sucked. Am I freezing or is someone else freezing? You're freezing.
Shit. Fuck.

Can you hear me?

Yeah.

I don't know what happened.

You're back now.

All right.

Memes.

Can you say it again?

Which part?

The whole thing.

My bad.

That's my bad. Yeah.

All right.

Three, two.

Yeah, it sucked.

They scored two goals in eight seconds.

Again.

Nah. Fuck.
I'm freezing now. two goals in eight seconds.
Again. Nah, fuck.

I'm freezing.

That happened again?

Yeah.

Again?

Are you guys there?

Yeah, two goals in eight seconds.

Yeah, we're here.

All right, I'm freezing.

Memes, can you say that again?

I froze.

It went two goals in eight seconds.

Eight seconds.

Again.

And it sucked?

It sucked.

Wait, I think I just froze. I think sucked.
Wait, I think I just froze.

I think I just froze.

I think I just froze.

Memes, what did you say?

So it went maxi three-pointer from the logo, two goals, eight seconds.

Again, the same exact thing as game two, except reversed.

Actually, it went maxi four-point play,

then maxi three-pointer from the logo. Yeah, but it went logo, tie, two goals, eight seconds.
I think I froze again. You've got to say it one more time.
Sorry. You just have to.
For us. The Hurricanes scored one goal, and they scored another goal seven seconds after that.
Oh, my God. All right, wait.
Hold on. Let's do this just so people who missed the game? All right, so I'm going to say it right now.
Ready? Okay. The the Hurricanes just scored.
Man, that must have sucked for Islanders fans. Maybe we'll get another one here.
The Hurricanes just scored again. That was how fast it was.
It was that fast. Oh, no, memes.
Tough night for memes. Hank, I think we have to have an intervention.
I want cocky Hank back. It's like I can't live.
Cocky Hank. Let me live.
How about that? Cocky Hank. Cocky Hank.
You're so much better than the Heat. Cocky Hank.
Oh, dude, he's – hold on. He's only going to be a minimum of several games.
Hank, what did you just say? You said it's not about the Heat. I thought we were taking this one series at a time.
I'm not doing this shit. I refuse to do this.
I made one comment. Then it's like, oh, I thought you were a cocky.
I'm not doing this. I'm sticking to my guns.
Also, the rest of the East is just going to be dead after this first round. What happened tonight in Indiana, Max? Or Milwaukee? Cocky Hank.
I just want you to just go heel turn and just be like, I'm back. Cocky Hank.
Giannis or Damon, and they still won. Teams can win.
It's the playoffs. These guys are professional athletes.
They're here to win. Damien.
Oh, Damien. Was that a cell phone? Was it Damien or Damien? Hold on, you froze.

Hank, can we...

What about tomorrow?

Please, I just want cocky Hank back so bad.

He's not...

You're just not even going to negotiate with us?

I did negotiate with you last night.

I said if the Nuggies can lose this game, then we might be in business, but they didn't. Do you have a side chat, like a side podcast that you record where you are cocky, Hank, and you're not giving it to us? Yeah, it's my group chat with my friends from home.
Okay, how about this, Hank? How about this? On Thursday's show, after the Celtics beat the Heat 4-1, we'll buy you a mask, and we can see what... We won't call you Hank.
We'll call you something else, and we can just see what the cocky Hank brain is saying. But we won't hold you accountable for it.
So all AWS have to agree. We will not hold whoever shows up to the studio on Thursday accountable for what they say about the Celtics.
Fair? No. That's good for the show.
That's good for the show. You can clip every time we talk about the Celtics the whole year've pretty much said like we we just got to stay healthy and then what happened in game four when porzingis goes out it looked like he was done for the season like the fact that he might come back is is a is a benefit but if he's out the whole their whole game plan the whole the way their team plays is completely different a minimum of several games that's not bad.
But you saw the injury. It looked like it was a non-contact.
He knew he was hurt right away. It looked bad.
I'm laughing about Woj. I've never seen an injury say a minimum of several games.
So who are you playing next round? Who do you want to play next round? We've got to make it past this round first. But who do you want to play next round, Hank? I want Cocky Hank so bad.
I want to beat the Heat on Thursday. How much money do we have to give you to get Cocky Hank back? Was it AK? Okay.
Is that the going rate? You said that. We can negotiate.
Document documentary. That's what I'm on the hook right now.
You want us to absolve him of the dunk bet. Oh, interesting.
But then, all right, I would be willing to do that, but we would need full cocky Hank. Okay.
Like the minute I would need, I would need to sign a contract and it'd be like the minute you get down or do like, oh, we're taking one game at a time. The contract is null and void.
I'll do that. That's fine.
We'll talk. We'll talk.
We'll talk more. We'll talk more on Thursday.
Maybe we'll bring, maybe we'll, we'll come with a plan. PFT.
We got it. We got to huddle up to try to get.
I've got an idea. We'll take this offline.
Okay. All right.
We'll, we'll bring it back to the people on a, on Friday show. All right.
So the other, the other series that we have to talk about is I do think the Lakers might not be good enough to beat the nuggets. That might be the case.
They are though. They actually are.
No, maybe not. Did you see the stat of the minutes they led in the series? 45-minute game.
They led for over 150 minutes compared to 50 minutes for the Nuggets. This is big.
The Lakers actually won the popular vote energy from you. Yeah, it's crazy.
It's like, so a couple things happened. The Lakers the lakers obviously they get bounced out lebron says he's going to test free agency uh shams i don't know like this is the new this is just some nasty work from shams i actually love it because who doesn't like the post-mortem on a failed season shams has been doing this now with the Suns.
He did it with the Lakers. He hit publish on an article that basically ripped the coach to shreds with anonymous sources seconds after the team gets bounced.
And I got into it with Lakers fans today. I don't think Darvin Hamm's a good coach, but the energy of Lakers fans saying, well, for 75 percent of the series and if we had played anyone besides the Nuggets we would have probably won a series it's so crazy to me like if your goal is to win a title the Lakers were never going to win a title they were not better than the Nuggets that's just a fact we have enough evidence now in you say – like, you play the full game for a reason.
Any team can be winning at half. You play a full game, and usually what happens in a full game when you play more than 24 minutes, the better team wins.
Say this out again, PFT. They were leading for 150 minutes.
The Nuggets were winning for about 50 minutes. This is loser energy.
Again, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that they led for 150 minutes because at the end of the games, the Nuggets were winning four times out of five times.
Now, you could make the case like, yeah, the Lakers probably would have had a better chance against a different team. You know how you get to be able to play those different teams? Yeah.
You're better throughout the course of an entire regular season. And if you do that for all those minutes, maybe, Hank, you can look up how many minutes they would have had to lead over the regular season.
You can get a higher seed, and maybe you can play against, I don't know, the Suns. And this is where Lakers fans will say, Darvin Ham screwed up the regular season.
I get it. Like there was the stretch where he didn't start D'Angelo Russell and Austin Reeves.
He tinkered with the lineup multiple times. It all was in the Shams piece.
I get it.

He's not a good coach.

I still think that the roster is the problem, that they just don't have enough guys,

and the Nuggets were a better basketball team,

no matter how many minutes the Lakers led.

Execution and being able to win games late

is what makes a team better.

That's what makes you a better team,

not leading a game at half. They led at half every single game.
We said it after game one. Every game goes the same.
Lakers get a big lead. Nuggets start playing better basketball, and they win the game.
And that happened four out of five games. And it's just crazy to me that people are like, the Lakers were just right there.
They were so close. We did this last year when they got swept best swept you've ever seen like it's crazy they've won one they're one and eight against the Nuggets in the last two years yet there are still people out there they're like the Lakers are so close to beating the Nuggets the best thing that the Lakers do is they make the they make the Nuggets look awesome they get the Nuggets in these crazy games and let the nuggets just rip their

hearts out down the stretch.

And I appreciate the Lakers for that.

And the mayor of Los Angeles actually wanted to contribute to the same

discussion that Hank's having the loser talk,

put this in the loser talk hall of fame on loser talk,

Mount Rushmore,

mayor,

Karen Bass.

This was a last night.

Karen.

She's a major Karen.

Love it. She tweeted out tough season, but at least we won the in-season tournament.
Proud of our team, Lakers. Heart, heart.
How about that? That's a good silver lining. Hank, you led.
Hang the banner. Led 150 minutes in the first round of the playoffs and won the in-season tournament.
So I think PFT, you agree with me. Max, you agree with me, right? This is crazy pills that Lakers fans are like, we led for so much of the series that we're this close to beating the Nuggets, even though we are 1-8 against them in the playoffs in the last two years.
Yeah, it's a crazy stat that they led for that many minutes, but also you play a full game for a reason, and the Nuggets were better at playing full games of basketball. It's not that hard to understand.
Right. Do you know what happens when you play a full game of basketball? You get a better sample size on which team is better.
That's usually what happens. And also being able to handle late game scenarios is a big part of the game, too, and that has a lot to do with why the Nuggets keep winning and keep and keep beating them they're better overall I think they definitely have better coaching it's not to say that Darwin Ham I don't know if he's a if he's a bad coach I don't think he's a good coach I don't think he's a great coach but I wouldn't say that this is on Darwin Ham and if you're tinkering with the lineup during the regular season you're doing that because you're probably not that great of a basketball team and you know that you need to get better so it's like chicken or the egg right I I don't I don't think Darvin Ham's a good coach I just hate that he's getting 100 of the blame when and I'm not blaming LeBron this is not a LeBron hater thing because LeBron and AD were phenomenal but LeBron and AD are two guys that had to carry an inordinate load and you have one one of them who's 39 years old and the other who's injury-prone in AD, and they just didn't have a roster with enough dudes to compete against a Nuggets team that is the best team in the NBA.
And if that's your goal is to win a championship, you do get measured against the Denver Nuggets. I mean, it sucks you played them in the first round, but I also think the Timberwolves would have beat him.
I also think the Thunder would have beaten him. I don't understand why, why we, we delude ourselves into thinking that the Lakers were right there.
They were a good team. They were never a great team.
Yeah. If there was a loser's bracket for this, I would, I might have, I think I would, I think I would have the Lakers first in the loser's bracket, regardless of who wins in LA Dallas.
I think I would have the Lakers as the one seed in that. Yeah.
So the other one, the son's article was crazy because Frank Vogel, poor Frank Vogel, he walks off the court and like looks at his phone. Shams has an article ready to go.
And the, the start of the article is a basically saying that Frank Vogel is a pussy and no one on his team respects him because uh the story goes Frank Vogel entered the home locker room at Footprint Center and lit into his team after his sons had fallen into a 35-4 hole en route to a loss to the Clippers on April 9th the head coach that made it sound like his kids fell down into a canyon way that you just read that right right there. The head coach yelled so much that his voice could be heard outside the locker room.
There was only one problem. On this night, Suns players weren't buying it.
The outburst seemed forced and out of character in their eyes. It continued the next day's shoot-around in Los Angeles.
Vogel tearing into the Suns before that night's road win over the Clippers. Vogel's eruption left players rolling their eyes briefed on the matter told the athletic that's some nasty stuff to be like i got an anonymous source that we were rolling our eyes to our coach that's the meanest thing you can do to roll your eyes it's your coach the article was pretty much saying when when vogel tried to get serious with the team everybody was like get the fuck out of here you're not a serious person you don't want to read that about yourself right afterwards no now to dispute with

with to get serious with the team everybody was like get the fuck out of here you're not a serious person you don't want to read that about yourself right afterwards no now to to dispute with uh what winhorse did report earlier about lebron james and free agency lebron he tweeted out this afternoon i've seen heard a lot of reports about my future i said it last night i'll say it again i do not know yet as i'm only thinking about spending time with my family and friends when i know after speaking with the the fam, my counsel, as well as my representation about it, then you guys will know. Until then, nothing.
Love, King. So we don't know about that report, but it seems like there's somebody that's on the Suns that is leaking information directly to Shams, if it was ready to go that quickly after the season's over.
Instantly. But he's fired.
And what sucks is everyone knows that he's going to be fired right i think darvin ham's probably more likely to get fired than frank vogel but i also don't know the sons are just a mess because they're stuck they don't they can't trade bradley beal their only move is they can trade you can't trade devin booker because he's your future your only move is you can trade kevin durant so they're they're fucked're fucked. Um, I just, yeah, I, I, I was thinking earlier, like the, the timing of these articles and the sons weren't going to beat the Timberwolves.
The Lakers weren't going to be the nuggets, but you have to think it can't be great for vibes when a series is going on and guys are giving anonymous sources about how much they hate their coach. They're more concerned with making sure that right after they lose, the spin zone goes their direction than actually winning the game.
Yeah, you have to be. Shams had that article ready to go in the event that they lost.
It was time. He probably scheduled it knowing that they were going to lose.
Dude, imagine what's on his hard drive right now

because he's probably got one for every single team.

If they lose, he's ready to go.

He definitely has one for past NBA champions

that have ended up winning the entire thing.

Yeah.

He's got a nasty one for the Celtics

if they get bounced before the finals.

You know that.

And he's got a real, oh, he's got a vicious one for the Bucs for sure. For sure.
Yeah. That's going to be Doc Rivers.
Oh, that's going to be must read. Yeah, just think about it.
If you're a coach in the NBA right now, you have to have alerts on for Shams and you have to just stay up at night being like, when is this article going to drop on my head and how bad is it going to be? Last thing we had to talk about, we had a B delay. B's are back.
I love the B delay. It's my favorite part of baseball.
I love the early season brawls. I love the B delays.
I love the weird injuries. That's what gets us through these dog days in MLB until the All-Star break.
Yeah. The Arizona Diamondbacks had to delay their game against the Dodgers because there was a bee colony set up in the netting behind home plate.
They killed those bees, did they not? I don't think you can. I think they probably killed them.
Do they re-home the bees? There might be some laws. Have you ever talked to the bee freaks out there that are oh i know he's reminding us like six times a year that bees are dying at an alarming rate they're the worst there's no way that they they didn't rehome these bees they fucking killed these bees they took they took like a a fire hose to these bees they bring in a beekeeper every time it happens and this guy has to find the queen the game of baseball is delayed until this guy in a giant white suit finds the queen it's a whole thing it happens in baseball like at least once you're what is it about baseball stadiums that's so attractive to bees i don't know it's true though they just love they love hanging out at the ballpark they actually if if if they could figure out a way to make B's count as fans for baseball, baseball might be back.
Just use that as attendance. The White Sox.
A lot of buzz about this year. Yeah.
There we go. The White Sox and A's need to just get some B colonies in the outfield.
They should be like, our attendance was crazy tonight. Um, okay, let's kick it to ourselves back in studio.
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Hank. My hot seat is us.
Uh-oh. For not realizing the story that Caruso told about the guy who told his grandfather he got a hole-in-one and then his grandfather died before he could tell it was a joke, and he made the whole plaque.
That was Ryan Whitney. That was Ryan Whitney.
Yep. Famous, if you've seen his work, bear fucking.
Great artist. The artiste Ryan Whitney.
Okay, so with the Whitney thing, a lot of people are very upset about a cartoon image. Yeah.
Although I will agree that it's a weird choice that Whitney specifically typed into the AI generator. make the polar bear female and have a person.
He didn't way. He will ever sniff chat GPT or whatever.
Not created. Whoever made it, whoever made it typing in like give the bear a skirt and a purse.
The, uh, it would have worked just the same if it was just two bears fucking each other. Yeah.
But it's one of my favorite internet controversies that Whitney's involved in right now if people don't know Whitney I actually think that his tweet didn't even say this is so funny he was like this isn't right which he's kind of agreeing that it's not right he's posting for awareness of not to share it yeah it's an AI image of a bear in a bruins jersey fucking a bear in a maple leafs jersey uh and people are very upset they immediately went to uh sexual assault and i can't believe you posted this it's one of my favorite controversies because it just reminds me that we might be the only sane people left because i saw that image and i didn't think i was just like oh this is just stupid like fans talking shit back and forth i saw the bears they're ai bears i saw the image and i was like sports yeah i thought about sports they're ai bears polar bear was crying it's like getting mad at uh whatever calvin pissing on a team's logo right yeah that's actually yes good point hank he said uh leafs fans i feel for you guys this ain't right so if anything Whitney's agreeing with you this ain't right he's on your side this ain't right but uh sometimes I think yesterday was a big gap in things to be mad about online yeah so you just need somebody to be pissed off about and that happened to be Whitney we stand with Whitney unbelievable that uh an AI it was great too when people just like... I saw some people replying, and then someone would be like, oh, so any cartoon is okay? It's like, dude, it's bears.
What are we talking about? They're AI. It's not real.
So the Taylor Swift stuff, I understand where she's coming from because she's a human being. Correct.
These are bears, and also the bears aren't representation of actual bears that exist that we all know and love and care about they're just generic bears also here's a little tip you gotta always look for context clues the bears are fucking on ice first of all i don't think bears know how to well actually no there's probably russian bears know how to skate oh polar bears yeah uh but in the background there's a two bruins banners and then a Maple Leafs banner. This isn't a real arena.
No, this isn't real. This isn't a real arena.
I saw that. I was like, oh my God, this is a fake arena.
Are they title banners? Are they just? No, they're just banners. So at first I was like, oh my God, the bears are fucking.
This is horrendous image to look at. And then I saw the banners.
I was like, oh no, you're stupid, Dan. That's not real.
It could be one of the outdoor games. No, it looks like there's lights.
Is that inside of us, sir? Yeah, it looks like there's a roof. It could be the stadium series.
And it's all Bruins fans. And then there's a Maple Leafs banner.
Could be neutral site, neutral ice. I'm going to say, yeah, actually, you know what? I'm 100% confident.
I'm going to say this image isn't real. I'm going to look at it real quick.
Yeah. It might be real.
No. That might have happened.
The banner thing. I think this might be at Fenway Park.
They wouldn't put up a Maple Leafs banner. You don't think during the stadium series they represent both teams at all? No, definitely not.
No, come on. And it's also got a roof on it.
Not real. Confirmed.
Not real image. Not real.
I don't know how that hot seat turned to that, but that makes sense. Well, I mean, you brought up Brian Whitney.
Yeah. He's best known for bears fucking.
That is my favorite recurring bit, though, that sometimes people do. If they're submitting questions for guys on chicks or FAQs, they'll just tell a story from a movie and see if it's a movie that we haven't seen.
I like that. Bad job by us.
Yeah. Also, it's Cruz.
It wasn't on the Chikos podcast either. It was on a different.
Oh, see that interview on a golf podcast. That's not our fault.
Do we think there's any chance that Caruso was just pawning the story off on his own? He did say it. I heard.
Yeah, he heard. Okay.
Yeah. And then my cool throwing.
It's not really diva wide receivers. Just cocky wide wide receivers talk about a lot on the show the last couple years Patriots Javon Baker that they drafted had this quote he said bring your popcorn and make people in wheelchairs stand up oh I like that you love that he cures he's that electric that he cures paralyzed yeah that's nice I like it and he's also pumped up he's probably feeling himself because they got joe milton yeah that's like maybe future diva wide receiver type quote but it's not not in a bad way like that's that's how you want your wide receiver to think i wish they would actually make him prove it like bring him to a hospital have him catch some balls see if someone can walk again he's like a uh one of those mega church healers yeah healers yeah everybody that's going to be a hot ticket for Patriots games.
If you have a disability, show up and see if he can heal you. Shouldn't this guy be used in modern medicine more than the NFL? Isn't he squandering his abilities? I mean, he literally can cure people being paralyzed.
I think. Someone's got a neck fracture.
And they're like, oh, fuck. He caught a touchdown in the corner of the end zone.
I can walk again. You have to meet them halfway.
If you really want to be healed, then you'll buy a ticket. Buying a ticket to a Patriots game, like a Dream Seat sideline pass, probably cheaper than getting back surgery.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Just got to catch some TDs now.
You're excited. You're back being excited.
Yeah, I'm excited. Okay.
Very excited. Very excited.
I saw that shirt design. You look very excited.
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Is that a real picture that's on there? Oh, I didn't even think about that. It might not be real.
How great there would be worse than you think so? No. I think more people would stand up for a made-up female polar bear than would stand up for...
Do you know what? We should probably have Triggs update the picture and put a leaf spanner and a Bruin spanner in the background so that these people can figure out that it's not real. Not a real image.
Yeah. Okay, PFT, your hot seat, Cool Throne? is jake paul jake paul is on the hot seat because they just announced the parameters for the fight against mike tyson and although mike tyson is a heavy underdog i think he's plus 300 um they said that there's going to be no headgear for the fight and it's going to be an actual heavyweight title fight so it's going to count on their official professional records 14 ounce gloves but no headgear contrary to the rumors that came out that they're going to wear headgear so knockouts are allowed and also i didn't realize this but it's going to be taylor serrano in the co-main event oh which actually makes that should make real boxing fans want to buy this fight yes agreed so i'm pumped up uh because i think everybody that is most people that are paying attention to this would just like to see another mike tyson knockout yes just bring us back to all i want the glory days yes he could be 90 years old and i would still believe that he'd be able to knock somebody out without a doubt uh my cool throne is dave and busters oh busters is on the cool throne because they are now allowing customers to bet on their arcade games against each other so if you're competing against somebody if it's a pop a shot if it's skeeball or anything else where it's like one-on-one you can actually put wagers in and bet against each other at the at the table at the games i would like to see this expand a little bit and anybody that's inside that dave and busters should be able to get in on the action yep and then bet on those guys and then then we should be able to watch on a closed circuit TV in this office and bet on two random guys that go to Dave and Busters and compete against each other in skee-ball.
This is the future of gaming. This is the future.
Everything should be gambleable. Yes.
Dave and Busters. Wow.
That's what I would like. They're next level.
I love that. Yeah, it's really good.
All right. My hot seat, two one is uh inside the nba because uh nbc is supposedly getting closer to making an nba deal we might lose tnt nba which that would be a tragedy they have to figure out a way to keep chuck and the guys chuck is by the way having like a legendary run right now.
But Kenny and Chuck and Ernie and Shaq, they have to be somewhere. What are we going to do if they're not on TNT and TNT doesn't have broadcast rights for the NBA? For the good of the league, they should just go wherever the NBA goes.
Would NBC do weeknight games? I think so. We just can't have Charles Barkley not in our lives.
I don't know how the contracts work with that, but they should just understand that for America, they should allow that show to go wherever the NBA lives. Or, you know what, TNT, they could just do that show and not have the rights to the game.
Just watch it, yeah. Just be like, everybody turn over to Turner, whatever channel that's on, after the game, and you're going to get Chuck, Kenny, Shaq.
Just keep the show going without the rights. We can't have that.
We can't lose that. People were excited, though.
They're like Round Ball Rock coming back to NBC. Listen, I love Round Ball Rock.
It obviously is like you listen to that song, and you're like, this is 90s basketball. I just want to remind people who maybe don't watch college basketball.
Round Ball Rock also has been back for a while on Fox. And now when I listen to it, I think like, oh, here comes Creighton versus Xavier at 11 a.m.
You know, the best start to your day possible is watching the live video of John Tesh performing Round Ball Rock. Yeah.
He's just bouncing around the room directing the orchestra. Yeah.
That gets the blood going. My other hot seat is a single better in New Jersey.
So this story, I feel for this guy because he probably was minding his own business and then woke up on Monday and was like, what the fuck? It was the I think you should leave meme where he's sitting in the back with the Tim Robinson sitting in the courtroom. Yeah.
He's like, what the fuck are they talking about me? It's a story about one of the sports books in New Jersey having like a huge month. And basically it's all because one guy has been losing a lot.
And so they said, when we remove New Jersey from the equations, this sports book has a 2.9% market share in the states it operates in. It's New Jersey's market share in March was 23.5 because he's described as the biggest losing player in the regulated market by a mile.
So it's a guy that bets against UConn. What the fuck? Yeah.
Could you imagine just waking up and seeing this and being like, they just call me the biggest loser by a mile? Yeah. I'm happy I don't live in New Jersey because I would definitely be like, wait, is that, is it me? That one guy might be betting against UConn and also betting it against the Oakland Athletics every single day.
Yeah. And just, or betting against like anyone to beat Scotty Scheffler.
Yeah. Goddamn.
That would suck so bad. Whoever it is, it's a big hater that's lost a lot of money yeah um and then my cool throne is scouting because we had some uh post draft stories come out albert breer had a long story about how the uh three three or four through six quarterbacks got selected michael pennix bo nicks jj mccarthy and we had this anecdote from the Bo Nix meetings with the Broncos.
So Bo Nix, the Broncos went out to Oregon to do a meeting with him. And Sean Payton saw that Bo Nix had a backpack and asked him what's in the backpack.
And Nix, this is now Albert Breer, Nix reached inside, grabbed the roll of tape that he explained he'd need for his ankles if he were going to train. He also pulled out a spare pair of football cleats and a lacrosse ball that he said he'd use for rolling out his back.
And what wasn't in the bag was just as significant. Everything was football related.
All of it. That's good.
And they fell in love with him there. When the world's in that bag.
What's not in the bag? That's just code for he didn't have any weed. That's also against the Fourth Amendment to just check a guy's backpack.
Yeah, I just like the stories that come out. How did the Broncos end up with Bo Nix? Well, let me tell you a story.
Sean Payton asked Bo Nix what was in his backpack. Every quarterback should have to empty out their backpack and show what's in there.
What happens if Bo Nix on that day had like a Game Boy and an extra burner cell phone and, I don't know, like a thong? Yeah. He probably wouldn't be on the Broncos.
An AARP card. That's what Michael Penix had.
Hold out a pistol. Yeah, that would actually rock.
I would draft that quarterback. Yeah.
He stays ready. Stay strapped for that.
This is my gun for anyone who shits on football. So along with the draft i i learned something last week about the draft i meant to share it with you guys do you know because we've talked about on the show before what would happen if there was just straight up free agency for every player coming out of college football it would rule what would that what would that look like so that almost happened back in i think it was the late 70s early 80s there was a guy that got drafted got injured two games into his rookie season couldn't play anymore he sued the league to try to figure out uh or to try to make money based on how much he could have got if he was uh like a free agent coming out in terms of signing bonus and he won that case and then he won the appeal for it too so this was going to be established law that the draft was uh against i guess against labor laws or yeah yeah and then the nflpa made an agreement with the nfl okay we understand that this goes against the existing law but we'll agree with you to do the draft because we think it's better for the current veterans that are in the league yeah and we like where this is going so other league, not just the NFL, every other league professionally was going to have to end the draft if the NFLPA didn't reach a handshake agreement and be like, we know it's against the law, but we're going to let you get away with it to the NFL.
Shout out the NFL. Shout out the NFL.
Although maybe not. The NFL is king.
This is Mike Florio's big, big topic. He loves talking about how there shouldn't be a draft.
Yeah, I mean, you can make the argument that it's definitely, it's been great for players to have this draft the way that everything has shooken out over the past, like, 30, 40 years. Everyone's gotten rich, but also we don't know what it would have looked like if they didn't have the draft, if it would be the same league that it is today.
But, yeah, it was all based on whoever the leader of the NFLPA was shaking the commission's hand saying, we're going to agree to let you break the law. Yeah.
Pretty crazy. All right, Jake, your hot seat, Cool Toronto.
Hey, guys. Happy to be back.
Jake, my hot seat is Cheeseball Man. We had a huge dilemma in New York City, Union Square.

Thousands of people gathered to watch a man eat cheese balls,

and he promoted it all over the city.

And it was a giant tub of cheese balls.

And then he showed up, and now people are calling him frauds

for eating a much smaller tub of cheese balls.

Yes.

I think this is also stolen valor from Philadelphia.

Correct.

Because it's all based on the rotisserie chicken guy,

which developed organically, and the guy only made a big deal out of it when he reaches 40th consecutive day of eating a chicken cheeseball man in new york saw that and said i want a piece of the action and he also only did it for one day one day one day i'm not i'm not impressed in this like no i did this 20 times high in my my best friend's basement when i was 18 years old he should have So, one, he he false advertising. The fact that he didn't do the big cheese ball thing.
I wish people had stood up and been like, hey, this guy's a fraud. You said you do the big cheese ball.
The other way this works is, yeah, he should have done it. If he wanted to do it, he should have done it like the chicken man where he would have been like, I'm going to eat one cheese ball a day until I finish this entire container.
And then on the last day, I'll eat an entire container. Or you should have eaten a container every day.
Yeah. That's what would have been impressive.
Yeah. Eating one container in one sitting, that's not something to brag.
That's not something that should draw a crowd. It also pissed me off everyone on Twitter being like, oh, this could only happen in New York, and it was just a worse version of the chicken guy in Philly.
I kind of like that part of it, just because it pisses you off. Only in New York.
Yeah, well, this is wrong. Yeah, only in New York can you do a worse version of something in Philly.
Yeah. Yeah, so that was interesting.
Only in Philly can you see a home game for the Knicks. True.
LeBron, though. Oh, yeah, Max is convinced.
LeBron's going to be a free agent. And so Max is thinking, what if he just comes to Philly? I actually am.
I would die for this to happen. Just because the podcast would reach a new level.
Did you see that when Horst said that LeBron is going to see free agency this summer? Yeah, I mean. It just happened.
Well, I knew that he was going to have free agency. I think he's doing this.
He's going to test free agency so that he can be like, Lakers, you're going to sign Bronny, right? Yeah. No, no, no.
Sixers are going to draft him at 16. At 16? Yeah.
Oh, wow. To bring LeBron in.
I 100% think that would be worth it. If you're even in the conversation for getting LeBron, just take a flyer.
Use your first-round pick on Bronny just to lure him to town. Because if it's even, if he's got like four places he wants to go, if one of them has his son, that's where he's going to end up.
Basically kidnapping. Yeah, just kidnap Bronny.
Yeah. Okay, your cool throne, Jake? My cool throne is Travis Kelsey.
Signed a big two-year deal. There's the retirement rumors, but two years, $34 million.
He's back. I got a question.
This might be getting into waters that we don't want to get into.

But be careful.

I got a question.

So he signed a deal to be the highest paid tight end in the league, right?

Right?

I believe so.

Do we remember a certain player who was married to someone who was very rich,

a billionaire, who would take less money because that would help the team because he knew he was married to this woman. I remember that.
Does anyone, does that ring a bell? I remember that. Hank, do you know the answer to that? Who was that? Tom Brady.
Oh, that was Tom Brady because he was married to Giselle. Do you think maybe Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift, the relationship isn't that rock solid because otherwise he would say, hey, why don't I take less? I'm going to be fine because she's a billionaire and we're going to get married and have kids and all this stuff.
I think he knows that there's a prenup coming. Interesting.
There's a big prenup coming for that one. I'm just saying.
He could take less money knowing that if he gets married to Taylor Swift, money will never be an issue for him. You know what? If Taylor Swift was a real fan of the Chiefs.
Yeah, listen. Well, the argument doesn't work as well when Tom Brady and Giselle did break up.
Right. No, but that's not what this is about.
That's not what this is about. In my opinion, if Taylor Swift was as big of a Chiefs fan as she pretends to be on Sunday, she would realize for the good of the franchise that she should not do a prenup with Travis Kelsey, therefore letting Travis Kelsey sign under-value contracts with the Chiefs and extending their championship window.
She would give, like, Travis Kelsey's sitting on their bed and Taylor Swift walks over and gives him a little kiss on the forehead and says, don't worry, sweetie, money's no problem for us. Sounds like she hates the Chiefs.
Yeah. Again, I'm just asking questions.
Yeah, I mean, they looked pretty strong. They were at Mahomes' charity event.
But how strong knowing that he just took the most money being like, I need to make my money now. They should do Monday Night Raw.
Mahomes did it. Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift? Yeah.
Yeah, that would rock. That would rock.
Swifties would become wrestling fans. Basically, what we're saying is that Taylor Swift should give up half of her money to men.
Is that too much to ask? No. I thought we were about equality.
Equality matters. 50%.
And if she was a true Chiefs fan, she would be like, hey, Travis, take the league minimum and let's go win another championship. Yeah, rings.
What? What, Hank? It sounds like she's- These are all good points, right? She's only about her personal engagement ring, not a Super Bowl ring. That's what it sounds like to me.
I think that people out there will agree with us on this. You have to be selfish sometimes, and I think he deserves this title, the highest paid title.
No, he has to be selfish because Taylor Swift is being selfish. She has forced his hand.
She's turning another man into a monster. She could basically be like, hey, let's get some star wide receivers and offensive linemen.
Let's do all this. You know what? I'll pay you $43 million a year to be my boyfriend, and you can get league minimum.
I'm seeing a pattern here. Matty Healy was a great dude before Taylor got her hands on him.
Yeah. Listen, here's what I'll say.
If in the future, Cale Williams and I ever start to date and I'm a billionaire, I will take care of him. Isn't that hypothetical? But he's making a lot of money.
No, I'll say, hey, take league minimum. Take less money, sweetie.
Yeah. We'll be fine.
There's a couple of hoops we have to jump through. We have to date.
Also, I have to become a billionaire. But if we get to that point, I'm at least willing to share, unlike Taylor Swift.
That's what a supportive partner looks like. Correct.
And it's good to see. I'm as progressive as they get.
It's good to see. It's good to see that there's still some good people in this world.
Yeah. Thank you.
I appreciate that.

Please clip that.

Yeah.

We're just asking questions.

That was a great conversation.

It's important to have these conversations.

A great segment.

We haven't done that in a while.

Yeah.

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We're going to talk about the playoffs. We're going to talk about what's happening with the Lakers, Darvin Ham, Suns, everything.
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Very excited. This is actually great that you're joining us right at this second, because I, I, this morning, so the Lakers got bounced from the playoffs on Monday night.
Nuggetsgets win the series four to one the Lakers won one game in the last two years against the Nuggets in the playoffs I've been getting into it with Lakers fans this morning because there's this idea when they show the stat that the Lakers were leading for 150 160 minutes that the Lakers were right there and now Darwin Ham's getting blamed by a lot of Lakers fans I contest that the Lakers did not have a championship roster that was deep enough that had enough two-way guys that had enough bigs uh and Darvin Ham while you can criticize him and I'm fine criticizing him he was dealt a hand that was very difficult to beat a team like the Nuggets. What do you think about that? Yeah, here's the deal.
We can't ascribe the end result and have that be an indictment on someone without the context of how that result happened. And the Denver Nuggets are the defending champion.
They approach the regular season as well as any defending champion that I can remember going back probably to the Golden State Warriors with Steph and KD. They approached it trying to get a one seed.
There's oftentimes a little championship hangover.

They were rolling.

They were healthy.

Jamal Murray's been banged up for going on like two months now

with shin splints and some calf issues.

So they were healthy relative to what they were in the regular season.

And it's not a great matchup for the Lakers,

and it's not a great matchup for anyone, really.

I think this Minnesota team probably matches up as well as anyone in the NBA versus the Denver Nuggets. I'm really fascinated by this series.
So to lay the blame on Darvin Ham when you're playing against the defending champions and you lose a bunch of close games, you lose two butter buzzer beaters. Like I just, I don't buy that.
I don't buy that. Now I'm not in that locker room.
I'm not in those huddles. So I can't speak to that, but if we're just basing it on the result of losing in the first round, uh, I, I just, I don't buy that.
Um, and I want to say one thing real quick, cause has been bothering me for about, what time is it, 11 o'clock?

This has been bothering me for about 10 hours.

That last play, I do have a problem with that last play,

the Jamal Murray game winner.

You've got two guys on the left side of the court for the Nuggets.

KCP was on the left wing, and Torian Prince's man was in the left side of the court for the Nuggets. KCP was on the left wing,

and Torian Prince's man was in the left corner.

They basically clear out a side,

allow the ball to get to the middle.

Roy Hachimura and Torian Prince,

they're literally in no man's land.

They've overloaded a side.

You can afford to put Roy Hachimura in help,

and it looked like Torian Prince was telling him to go there like is that on Darvin Ham right is that on Darvin Ham I'm not buying that if you're a basketball player at the end of a game hey Torian Prince guard two stunt for me let me help on this pick and roll right that's just basketball and Hachimura had a great had a great great season him put being in the starting I'm not placing the blame I'll just on Hachimura I'm just saying there are certain plays within a game that can decide a game that aren't on the coach yeah yeah so so even more though uh I think and I've heard this in the media people being like well if the Lakers played anyone besides the Nuggets, they're the second best team in the West. I just don't think that's true.
I think the Thunder are better. I think the Timberwolves are better.
This idea that the Lakers have a championship roster, they just ran into the championship team the last two years. AD and LeBron were incredible.
They were superheroes in this series. They just didn't have enough dudes to play against Denver for seven game series or probably play against the Timberwolves or probably play against the Thunder.
I just, I really do think it comes down to their roster wasn't deep enough and they didn't have enough guys that they could rely on who could play two ways and give a bunch of different looks. And then when you're the coach and you don't have those like, you know, cards that you can deal out of your hand, it does make you look worse.
Yeah, that's the NBA, and that is the danger of going into coaching. Yeah, which you're not going to do.
Definitely not. That is the danger, right? 100%.
Talent wins, depth wins, roster construction, how pieces fit, all that stuff. That is the ultimate thing.

And look, it's funny because you look in, let's just say regular season,

D'Angelo Russell had a great year.

Austin Reeves had a great year.

Hatchimora was more than solid.

And you had two guys who were going to make all NBA teams in Anthony Davis

and LeBron James.

I think some of it speaks to not only everybody's like, oh, the depth of the West, the depth of the West. Here's my argument for the NBA right now.
I think the overall talent depth, meaning the amount of really good players in the NBA, is as high as it's ever been. And that depth of talent is spread out more than it's ever been.
There's not the concentration of three really good players on one team, three really good players on another team. There's the concentration of two or three really good players on a bunch of teams.
So I don't think this Lakers team was a bad team. I just think they were good relative to the rest of the NBA.
Right, good, not championship contenders. That's kind of what I come down to.
It's like they're not – the media wants to tell us that the Lakers were on the cusp of winning a title if they didn't run into the Nuggets back-to-back years. You're listening to the wrong media.
I mean, that's why I watch you – Yeah, it's first take. You're on all the time.
That's where you're not going to get any coaching. You're going to miss yelling at Mad Dog and Stephen A.
Smith too much.

Three times.

We do love you on TV, though, because sometimes it feels like you and Stephen A.

or you and Mad Dog are speaking two different languages.

Like Mad Dog will be doing the hot take, like screaming at the camera

about the old Knicks from the 1970s,

and then you're just trying to break down the game in front of them, and it like you're trying to educate people mad dogs trying to make people mad and so it's like this conversation you're probably never going to reach a consensus agreement in this conversation but it's very entertaining tv yeah you can you can make a career out of um out of uh i don't i don't want to say antagonizing people, but I would say like having strong opinions, even if I believe some of those opinions are not rooted in, in reality. Um, but at the end of the day, all of this, and you guys know this and you, Dan, you talked about this when you came on our podcast on the old man and the three, I guess that was probably a year and a half ago.
Like this all an escape it's all entertainment yeah and and you know we we when we were talking about doing this mind the game podcast and i thought there was an a lane for education for for trying to make the average fan a little more intuitive when watching a game that's all it is it doesn't mean that the entertainment portion or the the debate shows are bad that people want to escape people want to be entertained and i think there's a there's a world where you could have both yeah i mean sometimes sometimes if you do it well you can do both at the same time yeah yeah i i absolutely agree so um another team I want to talk about. So I think we settled the Lakers.
They're a good team. They were not a great team.
If you put the best coach in the world, I still don't think the Lakers are winning the title this year. That was kind of my semi-defensive Darvin Ham, who I don't think is great.
Are you playing to the algorithm right now? Are you playing to the Lakers algorithm? Yeah, it just crazy me when a team loses and everyone's like, the coach has to be fired. It's like, but maybe the team wasn't that great.
Yeah, I don't know if the best coach in the league could have taken the Lakers and had them beat the Nuggets because the Nuggets, like the Nuggets in their own way, they're a super team, but they're a homegrown. They've got great role players.
They've got star power. They've got guys at multiple positions that can go out and get 30 on any given night.
And then you've got Jokic. That's just a piece of a puzzle that you can't, you can't solve.
Right. And I'm actually, I'm excited to see what happens in the next round because I think maybe you can educate us on this because I'm fighting like an internal battle in my brain over which way the Rudy Gobert Jokic matchup is going to go.
On one hand, I think that Gobert is such a good defender that they're going to put him one-on-one on Jokic, which could go a couple ways. It could have Jokic just go out there and dominate him because he's not getting help, or it could go like they're going to try to eliminate Jokic's ability to kick the ball out and hit open

threes when you do draw the double team so can you talk us through what that matchup is going to look like and if the Wolves have a better chance than most at beating the Nuggets yeah so if you go back to last year's playoffs and games this season a lot of times and the Wolves now are not the only team that does this but a lot of

times uh teams will cross match with yokich um because denver really wants to score in the paint and it's not necessarily on drives right it's out of cuts it's aaron gordon in the dunker spot it's obviously yokich when he gets a deep catch it's jamal murray michael porter jr on back cuts they're not like

a Oklahoma City

for example is

a heavy point It's Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr. on back cuts.
They're not like a Oklahoma City, for example, is heavy points in the paint team, but they drive 63 times a game. They lead the league in drives per game.
Say Gilgis Alexander has the most drives per game in the NBA, right? They drive the basketball. Denver wants to be in the paint.
They do it a little differently. So the counter to that is, and it's also to keep Gobert at the rim is you put carl anthony towns on him you put nas reed on him you put kyle anderson on him and gobert can still sit back there and protect the rim because aaron gordon is a non-shooting threat a lot of teams if i say this on broadcast all the time that's shot that teams are willing to live with against the Denver Nuggets is an Aaron Gordon three.
And so that cross match kind of eliminates some of that need to double because as Jokic gets deeper, Gobert is right there at the rim. And as he often says, he can be in two places at once, just like a Wembenyama, right? These guys are that smart and that big and that long that they can be in two places at once and still maybe get a late contest, but also be there to sort of clean up anything, any dump-down passes to Gordon.
So that's what I would expect Minnesota to do. And even going back to last year, if you remember that first-round series, Jamal Murray was incredible, as he was throughout the playoffs.
Jaden McDaniels punched a wall uh the last regular season game so he missed that series he's an outstanding defender uh he he showed some of that in that phoenix series in round one so i would expect jayden mcdaniel's to be on jamal murray no nas reed either last year i'm not trying to create an argument for why minnesota is going to win i'm creating an argument for why i think this is going to be high level intense six or seven game series uh both these teams are outstanding yeah i'm very excited for that series um another question i had uh we saw the suns get bounced in a sweep to the wolves are we done with the super teams because if you look around like it does feel you have the nuggets homegrown you have the. You have the Celtics, homegrown.
The Knicks have done a really good job with their roster. The Wolves, homegrown.
The Thunder, homegrown. A lot of these teams now that are ascending feel like they've gotten the pieces the long-term way instead of saying, oh, here's a star.
Let's add them to the roster and throw away all of our role players. Do we think this is finally – like the Suns were – I saw your whole clip about a failed experiment.
Like they're long-term invested in these guys, but I don't know how – they don't have a lot of flexibility in changing that roster. Correct.
I said at the beginning of the year in one of our season preview podcasts, like this year could be and whether it's like like stamped, meaning it's it's final, but it could be at least the beginning of the death of the super team. Part of that is the new second apron in the CBA.
And just sort of a brief explainer of that, we have a salary cap.

You can go to a certain point over the salary cap.

You pay luxury tax. There's a first apron and then a second apron.
Once you get to that second apron, you're essentially hard capped, which means you're really limited in what you can do in terms of transactions. So you have no exceptions.
You basically have to sign players for minimum contracts and sign your own draft picks. And obviously the outside of this year, the sons don't have any draft picks from 2025 to 2030.
All of those are either traded away or they, um, they're swapped, meaning they can't trade them because teams can swap. Let's say 2027, you can swap with them.
Right. So they're, they're extremely limited, extremely limited by that second apron.
And it's because of them going all in on Kevin Durant, them going all in on Bradley Beal. Bradley Beal has a no trade clause.
So yeah, in some ways, the proof, at least to me, over the last few years, it goes back to the depth of talent, but the proof to me is you need to build through the draft and then be positioned with a good salary cap situation, with good young players, with draft picks to then make an impactful trade. Denver did that.
They drafted Jamal Murray. They drafted Jokic.
They drafted Michael Porter Jr. They've drafted Peyton Watson.
They've drafted Christian Brown.

They used players they drafted to go out and get ACP, Aaron Gordon.

Those are the timely trades.

And all of a sudden now all the pieces fit,

and they've got one of the best, if not the best, starting five in the NBA.

Boston, right?

Brown drafted.

Tatum drafted.

Marcus Smart drafted. Turned him into Porzingis.
Rob Williams drafted. They stole Malcolm Brogdon from Indiana two years ago.
They used Malcolm Brogdon and Rob Williams to go get Drew Holiday. So you have to draft well.
That's my point. If you want to build a team now, you have to draft well.
But this is why I say it's not necessarily the death of the super team because certain owners are always going to operate a certain way. And certain owners are always going to think they can shortcut it and buy their way to a championship.
Yeah, that's what I would think. We were talking about that on Monday's show.
If we were owners, that's how we would operate right when we got a team. We'd just be like, yeah, that ish kd yeah let's go build a 2k team let's go build a 2k team it's exciting for the nba that it does feel like we're getting away from that where there aren't the shortcuts and the teams that put in the draft and make the savvy moves and trades are being rewarded like that's good for the league in my opinion i agree and i think it helps the overall product which the product should be the game the product should not be transactions yes and look people are going to live in that world forever it's what gets people excited on social media the idea of getting this person in free agency the idea of getting this person in a trade i get it it's exciting and everybody plays 2k and everybody likes to build out their rosters and get their packs and get their cards and then decide which player they're getting rid of.
Like we all want to be a GM in some ways, right? I get it. However, because of more parody, I thought between parody, uh, the depth of talent, uh, the rule changes around minimum games played where you had so many guys.
I mean, LeBron and AD played the most games together they played in their Lakers tenure. Kawhi played more games since, I think, 2016 or 2017.
So these things have created a better regular season. And if anyone was paying attention to that, instead of just using the same old talking points about how load management does not really exist anymore.
You can't rest two stars in a nationally televised game. The league implemented enough policies.
Those policies worked. The in-season tournament was an overall success.
The play-in has been a massive success. To me, the product right now is better than it's ever been in my time in the NBA going back to 2006.
Yeah, and I'm glad that you brought that up. Let's not completely trash the Lakers this year.
They won the in-season tournament. Yeah.
That's huge. They're mayor.
The mayor of L.A. congratulated them.
It's not a lost season. They had a lot of success.
They won one out of two tournaments this year. Also, I think Greeny put up a banner that the Lakers would have maybe beaten the thunder or timberwolves if they had matched up against them in the first round they would have matched up well yeah they would have matched up so that's huge yeah it's a good season that's winning basketball in la and i'm glad to see it so how would you fix phoenix because it seems it seems like they don't really have can i ask you a question those banners fly forever i feel like you're laughing at those banners.
This is a serious question. I want to ask you this question.
Why do you think, and I don't know how much you guys, actually you guys joke around and it's sometimes a bit, so I'll take you off the table, but why do you think that people like to talk about hypotheticals so much and why do people like to listen to people talking about hypotheticals so much because it's fanfic for dudes yeah it's like this is this is gossip magazines for guys this is how we use our imagination guys once you start that's a great point once you stop reading books in high school or college or wherever where you you give up like reading the fantasy books that you used to when you were a kid this is what you spend your mental energy on you just imagine like what if what if LeBron went to the Celtics yeah could they win you could never be yeah you could never be wrong in a hypothetical world too so you can just be you know we could debate it forever I think specifically for the Lakers hypotheticals that have been happening um I think that's just and you know this being on first take from time to time like the, talking about the Lakers and LeBron is what people will tune into.

So when they're down 3-0, you can't be like, oh, the Lakers are cooked.

You have to instead do 20 minutes saying,

the Lakers would have beaten everyone else.

Yeah.

You can't let go of that cash cow.

Actually, you know what?

It's crazy to say.

Maybe, JJ, maybe you bring this up next time you're on.

If the Dallas Cowboys signed LeBron at tight end, would they be able to compete for a Super Bowl? Combine all their favorite things together. Yeah.
That's good. Yeah.
Yeah. That's good.
I say no. No question.
I think you probably have to add Aaron Judge maybe as a tight end. Yeah.
Aaron Judge, tight end, LeBron, wide receiver. Just get everybody.
Yeah. Who would be a better wide receiver, LeBron or Michael Jordan? Ooh.
question who's who's more entertaining patrick mahomes or steph curry i love patrick mahomes now patrick mahomes he mean he was he was on monday night raw yeah he gave his rings curry curry low-key would you guys listen to would you guys listen to someone talking for 20 minutes about uh anthony edwards hypotheticals yes i find him he's yeah okay i actually wanted to ask about him because he is he's such a killer and i love that like that's what sports i know there's a million things reasons to watch sports but at the top of my list is watching a guy elevate his game in big moments and have that shit to him where he's like not only he's going to kill you

but he's going to he's going to do the suck it he's going to talk his shit um are you like just watching anthony edwards are you are you watching it being like this guy is going to own the league for years to come like he has that it factor both on and off court ultimately the the face of the league and whoever

is the guy,

you have to

win at a high level to do that. So that remains to be seen.
However, he's certainly going to be in that conversation for the next 10 years. He is entertaining as a player.
he's got like the game that I think people gravitate to the same

way that Jordan had a certain game

Kobe had a certain game. AI had a certain game.
Steph, right? There's the flash, the fundamentals. Some of the footwork stuff that he does is so underrated.
And then he's got, as you said, the shit to him, right? He's brash. He's competitive.
I find it fascinating, by the way, because I remember this, and I want to say I was finishing up my career, but when he was coming out of Georgia, the question marks around him were like, does he love basketball and is he competitive? It's crazy. You watch that guy play in the playoffs and you're like, how was that ever a concern? Yeah.
I don't know. He's remarkable.
Katie said this the other day after game four. He's like, that guy's my favorite player to watch in the league.
I've had a number of players, even in retirement, where I'm like, I want to watch this guy. I want to watch this guy.
And now, like, Anthony Edwards has moved into sort of that tier one of just like, if he's on, I'm watching the T-Wolves. Yeah, I'm like, I was kind of bummed that they swept the Suns because it's like, oh, we just got robbed of a couple of Anthony Edwards games.
Like, I want to, like, you know, off nights, it's every other night. I'm like, oh, where's my Anthony Edwards game tonight? I want to watch him dunk on people and talk shit.
And KD laughing. KD was just – he couldn't do anything except just laugh when Anthony was on.
He knows. He's like, yeah, this guy's awesome.
I like watching him play like right up close, right next to him. And it's perfect timing too because I know that you don't love these debates, but it does feel like these playoffs are a little bit of a passing of the torch playoffs where you don't have KD, Steph, or LeBron in the second round.
And you have some of these young, whether it be Anthony Edwards or Jalen Brunson, what he's doing with the Knicks. Like some of these younger guys ascending.
It's just always fun when that happens at the same time. And you're like, this is great because these are the guys who will be watching for the decade we're working on a project right now um i think it got announced it's a it's a the it's like the drive or survive of the nba playoffs okay and um we're uh we're like co-producing it and you know i remember going back uh jason gallagher who i think you guys know who you've been around you know our our of production we're working on it uh on the three four two side and and going back to our conversations uh all the way back in october when the season started that was the whole thesis for us going into this season is you know i i said uh this phoenix suns thing that's going to be watch.
Roster, do the pieces fit? Do they have enough depth? Is there redundancy with their best players? Like, it's going to be interesting to watch, right? How much does LeBron have left in the tank, right? Golden State, are they going to be good? I don't know. Feels like Minnesota is going to be pretty good this year.
Feels like Oklahoma City is probably going to make a jump. There could be a passing of the torch.
Now, I had no idea that Jalen Brunson was going to put together an MVP type season. And certainly if Jokic wins another one, then some of this conversation is moot and it's just like, no, Jokic is the guy.
He's the guy, right? But yeah, this is interesting because Kevin's's out lebron's out steph's out and those guys have i don't want to say carried the league but they've certainly been as integral as anyone uh for the last you know 10 to 15 years yeah yeah it's interesting you brought up the the yokich mvp thing um it's important to have this debate do you think that if yokich won his third mvp he would be the worst three-time mvp winner of all time uh yokich to me uh is is already a top 15 player of all time and i know that that's maybe a hot take i don't really care you took kevin duran out what's out of the top 15? No. Oh.
No, I didn't. You got to take someone out.
Who was number 15? Kevin wasn't close to 15. Okay, you got to wait.
You put him in. You put him in.
You got to take someone out. I only do 12.
I usually only do 12. Okay.
That's why I use the 15. Okay.
Because that gives me wiggle room. Got it.
Then I don't have to take anybody out. I can read you.
You know what I mean? I've only ever done a definitive 12 for who I think is the 12th. The other three-time MVPs are Moses Malone, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson.
So would that make Jokic the worst three-time MVP winner? I don't feel that way. So who would you take out? I don't feel that way.
Moses? I say this all the time. You know, you guys love to bait me into these things where you compare eras legit question no you do and it's it's fine but i'll say this the the best players in any era would be fine in any other era uh save for maybe one era and uh the players that killed in their era, they should be celebrated

and they should be recognized as all-time greats.

So why would we not recognize Nikola Jokic as an all-time great?

Why are we changing it for modern players?

I think what you're doing is you're adding Jokic to the top 12 of all time.

I didn't say that.

I didn't say that.

Top 15, if we looked at it, I think you're probably top 15 is more like 25,

and you're just – someone's got to keep you honest.

Someone's got to keep me honest.

It's us.

That's our job.

We got to keep you honest.

It's a J.J. Redick top 12 tracker just to make sure that you're not fudging the numbers.

I'm taking Will Chamberlain out.

He's gone.

Jokic's in.

See how easy that was?

Okay.

Do you think he actually dropped 100 points? Do think wilt chamberlain did yeah uh yeah uh yeah that unless i i've been given reason not to believe i mean he had he had the picture with the sheet of paper right so you have to believe it yeah that's as good as gold yeah yeah can't lie about that yeah uh you should just respond with like if somebody does ask you that question about Jokic, just say,

he's on my Mount Rushmore of three-time MVP winners. Ooh, there we go.
Yeah. Because there's only four guys there.
You're good. So back to the Suns real quick.
How would you fix the Suns? Because that, to me, seems like a riddle that's very hard to figure out. Like you mentioned Bradley Beal's contract.
Am I interviewing for jobs right now? Yeah. What is going on? No, I'm curious because like the Suns, it seems like they've dealt their way into a black hole where it's like I don't know how they get out of this over the next five years, but there's got to be some way out, right? If you're being creative, how would you fix the Suns? Win shares per 48, which is the stat that is most closely associated with whoever wins the MVP, all time in the NBA.
Number two is Michael Jordan. All right, that tracks.
Number one is Nikola Jokic. I just want to throw that out there.
I know you guys don't like advanced stats, but oftentimes they just reinforce what the eye shows us. I love them.
Here's an advanced stat. Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the finals.
I love him.

Keep going with your point.

How many times did he get to the final six?

Okay. So, Phoenix.
You know, it's interesting. It's a very interesting question.

I would look at sort of team building in a very holistic way beyond just, oh, we've got to trade this guy or trade that guy, or we've got to revamp the coaching staff. I wasn't in that locker room, so I don't know.
I would say in general, the exit interviews are oftentimes very revealing, and you have to look at any roster, any team, and look at how personalities mesh together and how skill sets mesh together. And it's not easy because all 29 teams are also competing for something and also want to win a trade or win a transaction.

That's the difficulty of being in the front office. But if you can find the right formula and it might take three months, it may take six months, it may take three years.
But you have to be willing, I think, to as an owner, you have to be willing to be patient with that. And look,

that's not a shot at

Ishby at all.

I think we've seen a number of new owners come in and make moves right away and want to win. And that's not really how the NBA works.
And they learn and they get better and they become great owners. One of the best examples I have of an owner who didn't do that was Steve Ballmer.
Steve Ballmer took over in 2014 after the Donald Sterling saga. And he was like 15 and 16.
I remember he would meet with us. We would have dinner with him.
He would ask us questions. He made no big decisions other than I think in 16, we had new uniforms.
But in terms of like our roster, nothing big, coaching, nothing big. Then in 17, Lawrence Frank went from our coaching staff up to the front office.
Lawrence Frank spent like a year going around literally the world and going to different teams and saying, all right, man, United, how do you operate? All right, Seattle Seahawks, how do you operate? And he figured out how to build out a proper infrastructure in the front office. If you remember, we really didn't have a front office under Donald Sterling, right? It wasn't until Balmer got there.
He took his time. He didn't make any crazy transactions he took his time uh and and you know obviously kawaii's injury probably keeps them from a championship uh but i think they've done it the right way yeah it's interesting with the the exit interviews you've been through a few of them i would imagine how how does that go who conducts them what questions are asked? And how honest are guys? I mean, I was always honest, especially later on in my career.
Every team is different. There were some teams where you would have three different ones.
You might have one with the owner. You might have one with the front office.
You might have one with the coaching staff. Other ones, you'd just have one.
You'd have one with the front office and the coaching staff. I think in Dallas, I actually had all three together.
It was Cuban, Donnie Nelson, and Rick Carlisle. And they were just like, hey, you didn't play.
Trade didn't work out. Probably going to retire.
Feel free to just let loose. Tell us what you think.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's got to be nice to just unload and be like, I've been thinking about this for a while i would just here you go yeah get out your get out of pen and paper because i'm gonna go off for a while i would just pit everyone against each other i'd be like i just finished up with kd like i'd meet with bradley beale like i just finished up with kd and he said it was all your fault bradley what do you think an interrogation you know what's you know what's funny is uh not not necessarily teammates but i i but there's been some people that work for organizations that I've played for that did exactly that. Yeah.
They're all trying to save their own job. Yeah, they're all trying to save their own job.
Who was that person? Can you name their name? Guys, we've gone over time. All right.
Is there a stop snitching thing? Like you don't talk about another teammate when you're in those interviews? I never felt like you. I don't think guys snitched on their teammates.
I don't think it was like that. I think it was more when certain guys would be like up for free agency or if like, you know, like even in 17, I had a terrible first round and i knew like no one had to go in none of my teammates had to go into the front office or to lawrence frank or doc rivers be like hey we really have to bring jj back how's that gone for us yeah like no no they'd be like yeah it's it's probably pretty much said i was turning 33 and we'd gone on a four-year run and didn't get the result we wanted.

I figured it was likely I was going to be out of there,

and they weren't going to offer me a contract.

Yeah.

What's harder, the exit interview with your front office and coach

or the exit interview that players do with Shams?

I've never talked to Shams.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

A lot of players do.

And those articles are ready to go the minute a team gets bounced.

What about when Darvin Hamm goes into LeBron's office and LeBron starts conducting the exit interview? What do you think he's going to say to LeBron? LeBron's corner office? Yeah. You guys are ridiculous.
All right, I got some basketball questions. Thunder, unbelievable story.
How the NBA usually works is teams have to climb the mountain. They have have you know playoff get close get close then jump over the the the hurdle the last hurdle the the nuggets are the perfect example those last few years the nut the the thunder had been called too young but if the thunder can win it all I guess that's the first question can they win it all and if they do what happened like do you see this team being able to actually kind of buck all the trends and be like, yeah, this is their first real playoff experience, and they went all the way? I could see a scenario where they are in the NBA Finals and could win a championship.
Yeah, I could see that scenario. What would have to happen? First of all, health.
Second of all, I think you have to have in certain matchups a series where chet holmgren uh shoots the shit out of the ball and forces the defense into making some tough decisions uh i.e are you switching um you know a five man on to shea are you switching a a five-man on to Jalen Williams and not, you know,

playing off of Chet Holmgren? He kind of unlocks their spacing, right? All those drives, when he's on the court, it matters. So him shooting the ball well, he's been one of the best defenders in the NBA this year.
Lou Dort, we saw in the first round just in Brandon Ingram's shit for four games.

He's staying out of foul trouble,

defending at a high level. Jalen and Shea have to be who they are.
They have to be stars. I don't think enough people realize how good Jalen Williams is.
Like Oklahoma City, whatever you think of Chet as a second-year guy, rookieaylen williams is a star in the nba um you know he's not a superstar but he is a star and he is a true number two he's fucking phenomenal uh and then they they have to shoot they were one of the best three-point shooting teams not necessarily at high volume but one of the best three-point shooting teams all season long and they have to shoot it well yeah and you forgotcher Chamber, Lou Dort. I love watching Lou Dort.
I said Lou Dort. I said Lou Dort.
Lou Dort is – I said he was in Brandon Ingram's shit all four games in that series. He's the best because having one of those guys is so important where it's like we're just going to put him on your best player and just make life – yeah, your best player still might score, but he's going to make it hard for him every single night.
Yeah. I would also say – How about Giddey when they created separation there in game four? Giddey makes three straight threes in like three minutes.
Like there's another thing like that has to happen. Like he's got to be – teams are playing off of him.
He's got to be willing to shoot threes. And, you know, if he goes through a series and makes 35%, all all right much like a shot to win much like the uh the mahomes and travis kelsey state farm commercials you kind of know that they're going to be they're going to be in the super bowl probably same thing with oklahoma city and the what a pro wants what a pro needs commercial where everybody's absolutely in love with that thing and you know they're going to want to keep them around for as long as possible i know i know you're being facetious you like that i'm well aware of the discourse on twitter right now what a pro needs it's so good whatever makes you happy we we've

neglected the east a little bit we talked you know a little bit about the knicks uh they're

playing against the sixers tonight so when this episode comes out that will be old news

what's your official prediction don't look at your watch we got you for another 35 minutes easy

We'll be old news. What's your official prediction? Don't look at your watch.
We got you for another 35 minutes. Easy.
No, somebody from ESPN is texting me my schedule for this week. Oh, they're like trying to figure out.
They're like, you're talking to part of my take. There's a sniper outside your house.
What game I'm going to have Friday. Yeah.
Sorry, guys. Do you want to announce it right now? What game are you going to have Friday? I'll have game six in Dallas.
Game six in Dallas. The East.
Sixers, Knicks, quick prediction. You'll look very smart if you get this right.
For this series or for tonight? For tonight. I don't do one-game predictions.
Fuck one-game predictions. All right, so let's predict the series.
I think the Knicks are going to win the series. Okay, so do the Knicks pose a threat to the presumptive Eastern Conference finalists, Boston Celtics? They do.
They do. A lot has to go right, but it's hard for me to dismiss what exactly this Knicks is uh because you know we we have talked we have talked for years now about this like heat culture thing like you have to you have to kill the heat the heat are not going to like give in they're going to fight to the death right and? And I think this Knicks team is similar.

They pursue offensive rebounds better than any team I've seen in recent memory.

If you guys remember, eight to ten years ago,

teams refused to send people to the offensive glass.

The offensive rebounding rates plummeted.

Everybody was so worried about transition defense.

And this Knicks team is just phenomenal on the offensive glass. They've a true leader and i'll say it a true 1a oh i like true 1a i agree brunson a true 1a and jalen brunson um yeah they they pose a threat they pose with them i said this when they made the trade for og um initially you know i was like all right, they won that trade, and it's not to say Toronto didn't win that trade for them either with getting RJ and Emmanuel quickly.
The Knicks became a better team because it was a better fit. OG is a better fit.
What else did that trade do? It allowed Miles McBride to move into the starting lineup. So the loss of quickly, which I thought could potentially be an issue, Miles McBride, you know, last month and a half of the season, 15 points a game, 43% from three, like he filled that role.
OG with that lineup, he makes them better. So by the end of January, I said, look, I think this is probably depending on seating and how playoff matchupsups shake out, this is probably a conference finalist team.
I would expect them to be in the – I've said that many times this season, that that is a real possibility. So I'm not surprised that they're in a position where they've got to win one more game and then one more round and they're there.
As a future coach, let me throw out an idea for you that I've been working on. Joel Embiid always runs out of gas has any team ever thought about in the third quarter because you know you got to sit him at some point because you can always run out of gas sit him for like seven minutes take nothing but shot clock violations and then do nothing but follow the other team at the end of their shot clock and just hope that the lead doesn't get too big.

You put in all your bench guys.

You just pass the ball around.

Oh, I see what you're saying.

And then you wait. Yeah, you're just burning time.

You're literally like running out the clock.

You're burning real time.

Yes, yes.

You're burning because the fouls, the pause.

You're taking all 24 seconds.

So a seven-minute break could potentially turn into like a 35 or 40-minute break in real time.

Correct.

He basically can go take a shower.

He can look take a shower. He can like go through warm ups again.
Have a meal maybe. Yeah just be like oh no the fourth quarter is now the first quarter.
Have you thought about that? I haven't thought about that. It's an interesting strategy.
If I get one more Knicks game in this series I will ask Nick Nurse about that. Okay.
I'll pose that question to him in the pregame coaches meeting i like that put that on your powerpoint for your next coaches interview we're like here's a strategy you could use all your dead ball fouls one right after the other and then have substitutions at every single foul yeah and so you can get at least 12 minutes have him walk real slow maybe get like a big uh like samoan guy and have him walk real slow onto the court. Utah sometimes does that with their defensive subs in football.

Do that.

These are all good ideas.

All right.

You're just upset you haven't thought about this.

I got two more questions.

You're upset you're getting out-thought. You're mad.

You're getting out-thought on part of my take right now.

Mr. X's and O's never thought outside the game.

Okay, I have a couple last questions.

I know you got to go in a second.

You are with DraftKings. We're with DraftKings.
One series we haven't talked about, Mavs Clips, which is going to be game five on Wednesday night. Awesome game.
Can you give us a pick, and maybe we'll add one, and then we'll tell the people this is what we like. What do you think? It could be a prop.
It could be a spread, whatever. Give us what you think is going to happen in this game.
I'm not great at one game things. Actually, I did this yesterday for our YouTube video series, Islands in the League.
DraftKings presents that. It's like a 30-minute show, and the end of the show is we always touch on two or three sort of lines or whatever.
And based on the odds of the series, Vegas is basically it's a pick-em series, right? I think it's like plus 185, plus 190. So not a whole lot of advantage to picking either team in a 2-2 series.
Here's what I think. Luka is going to have a big game five.
That's what I think. So whatever you want to do with that, I think Luka is going to have a big game five okay that's what i think so whatever you want to do with that i think luca is going to have a big game five okay i think we maybe go luca and and play off p luca play off p i had i had kyrie over four and a half assists that would play into the luca factor yeah luca play off p and kyrie that sounds good sounds really good to me yeah that sounds really good you like that jj you like that also james harden off two days of rest that's true that's big for him do you have when was the last time you played basketball do you still shoot not really you got to come to our office bro i uh we i don't get bulls games because they're so mediocre i know they're the definition of mediocre but yeah um i I do.
I've been promising my oldest son that we'll do a,

like a late summer, early fall trip to Chicago. If that happens, we will come through.

He will obviously love to, to get in the gym. I played,

we did a random Sunday morning pickup with my travel team and parents.

And we just kind of mixed in four groups.

You played to five and then the next group would come on.

And that was like an October.

That was a lot of fun. my travel team and parents and we just kind of mixed in four groups you played to five and then the next group would come on and that was like in October that was the last time I played but I mean I was playing against nine-year-olds so like yeah I wasn't really playing and then I woke up the next day and I felt like I strained my calf and I'm so fearful because of my Achilles injury my last year that I'm gonna tear my Achilles so I probably won't probably won't play again to be honest with you I like how you said my travel team I thought it was like the team the team you travel with not your actual like nine-year-old travel you know what you know you know what is crushing to me I had to I had to stop coaching them after uh our last our they they just had one this past weekend that I wasn't at so once the playoff started I I went to our Monday practice and I just said guys I, I'm sorry.
Like, I'm going to miss every weekend. I can't coach you anymore.
There's like, it's impossible. Rated T for team.
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Like a walk-on? Yeah, right. I think you are.
I think so. Yeah.
I think so. I mean, that would rule.
I don't know. They're actually going to Duke camp this summer.
Oh, great. That sounds like fun.
That sounds awesome. First look.
Yeah. I'm sure they're going to learn so much.
They're going to learn about the brotherhood. That's going to be great.
Seems like a lot of guys are leaving the brotherhood. Here's how you take a charge properly.
Yeah. Okay, we're going to do – here's 30 minutes on slapping the floor.
Yeah. Here's how if you lose the game, you can tell everyone that it's just a game and it doesn't really matter.
But if you win the game, you go into the other coach's locker room and you try to coach the other team these are all things you're gonna learn no you're you're you're anti coach k bit it's i've i've witnessed it and seen it for years i i gotta tell you i'm starting yeah pete goddad when's the last time you talked to pete when's the last time i talked to pete yeah justice don't know. Okay.
Maybe you should reach out and just ask how he's

doing. It's sad because he had to

absorb all those losses and then he doesn't even

get the brotherhood reaching out to him

to check in and see how he's doing. He's probably sad

all the time with all those losses. Brothers gotta check

on brothers. Yeah.
Pete, if you're listening,

he's an AWL. Long time stoolie.

Pete probably does listen.

He's probably like, you guys have my back. We care about you, Pete.
You're the only people in media. This is the real brotherhood, Pete.
Yeah. Was this fun for you? JJ, you are the best.
We do like you, JJ. Yeah, we love having you on.
Even when you had that weird rant where you made fun of fans and you're like, fans don't want to learn. I even prefaced my tweet defending you not really defending you saying i like jj a lot so you know what's funny i i i asked a question that's all i did i didn't make fun of anyone i asked the questions no you call this dumb you had a conversation with fans i said do fans even want to be educated it's a valid question sometimes people don't and't, and that's fine.
There was no judgment. There was no judgment.
I was more upset because Stephen A. said that Kevin Durant has done a bad job of educating fans as if that's his job, right? Yeah, that's not his job.
I thought it was Kevin Durant's job to go play basketball and be all NBA and try to win a championship. That seems like his job.
That's what he that's what he paid to do to your point a lot of times we don't want to learn no a lot of times we just want to be bad we just want to talk about the lakers if they they would have beaten the thunder yeah like when when duke beat jmu this year i didn't want to learn about why duke's offense worked yeah i was just like fuck duke these pieces of shit yeah there are some times when I watch a game that I have to make a choice. Am I watching this game through a critical lens and actually paying attention? Or as if I'm just fucking watching it as like a fan and just chilling.
Yeah. And it's entertainment.
And I'll like tune in for three minutes and then kind of zone out and then tune in for three minutes. And then it's like, all right, it's the last eight minutes.
All right, I'm going to lock in. Yeah.
It's an escape. Yeah.
I like just having basketball on. There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah. All his life.
All right. Well, JJ, everyone go check out his podcast and you'll hear him calling games.
Do tell Nick Nurse about my strategy. I think it would work.
And best of luck for your future interviews for head coaching jobs. Thanks, for having me on appreciate the conversation thank you for having me on yes yes not thank you for none of the fucking digs all right thanks jj all right we'll see you man noble is known for their best in class award-winning footwear with options across training and lifestyle.
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i think in person the hype the hype gets the hype gets bigger yeah it's kind of a way to just you

know it makes someone feel at ease like hey you're very very very special just don't let any of the

guests know that i do that for almost all of them i think jamis winston got a record amount of

varies i you know what i'm gonna at some point in the next three months i'm gonna do an interview

i'm gonna try to hit like seven varies just keep going a going. I'm going to get a big dog.
Yeah, we're going to get a big dog. The entire interview.
Yeah. Hold on one sec.
Very, very, very. We're going to get Skip Bayless out of this.
Someone randomly asked me that the other day, and I was like. Yeah.
Yeah. Hey, where's Mr.
Pair? I thought we were doing a pick. Mr.
Pair is six two. Mr.
Pear is a very, very, very, very special turtle. Mr.
Pear is having some issues with... Actually, we should get two turtles.
I think he needs a friend. Or we put a rat in there.
Have them fight like BattleBots. Yeah.
Mr. Pear, he's going to pick the Clippers and the Mavs game because we've taken him off the show while he tried to figure it out.
Since he's 6-2, I feel like the people are owed a pick, especially because this is the biggest game. It's game five.
But does that mean that he's red hot on the Instagram lives and we're just taking him off? Okay, fine. Tune in to part of my take Instagram for Mr.
Pear pick. Yeah.
All right, fine. No Mr.
Pear pick. He has been awesome on those picks.
Yeah, I know. He's 6-2.
He's hot as fuck. Any more out-of-the-office summer activities planned for the group? Enjoy the disc golf and dimple head competitions? Yes.
We have a couple trips planned right now. Yeah.
Beer Olympics. Something brand.
Beer Olympics. We are still, I want to say very clearly, as of right now yeah um something picks something brand beer olympics we are still i want to say very clearly as of right now we're very we're very committed to going to be olympic we can't back out we won't we can't i mean we got it we can't right we can't we can't back as of this moment we can't back we cannot back out we can't i mean who could who could turn that down i'm feeling pretty sick already that week before oh okay um but yeah we have uh besides grit week which obviously we're going to be doing grit week in august um we have a couple other things planned for some fun activities and i do want to play frisbee golf again although we we were talking we want to play frisbee golf non-camera which doesn't really help this listener's question just because we've never done it without cameras yeah so it'd be fun to just actually play the game uh but we'll we'll we'll bring cameras we're thinking about doing it maybe on the special trip we have planned in july yeah and we also have a we have another trip in july of uh maybe the part of my bake maybe hang out do some pool games do the mushroom golf mushroom golf yeah yeah so we got some good we got some fun stuff and we are definitely for july 4th week tim woods right yeah tim woods by the way did you guys see tim woods uh tweet the other day i gotta try to find it it was so tim woods i fucking love him so much oh fuck keep going hank i'll try to find it i'll try to track it down i screenshotted it just to bring it up to you guys hello pmt boys the topic is soggy sorrows is there a reason it has disappeared and can we expect it to make a comeback i think max might have put it into soggy sorrows because he would be just wet all the time.
Much like the you guys not betting against JMU, I think one of you guys didn't want to do Soggy Sorrows. Not true.
I absolutely did Soggy Sorrows after the double doink. I didn't say it was you.
That was the last time I had a big loss. It was other ones.
We've all done Soggy Sorrows. Right, but that was my recollection of like, one of you guys were like, I'm not doing Soggy Sorrows.
And then after that, I was like, well, if you got like, I'm not doing Soggy Sorrows. All right, fine.
Here's the deal. We're going to bring back Soggy Sorrows.
It has to be a team that has championship aspirations. If they lose, we'll do Soggy Sorrows.
But is anyone in the playoffs? Well, let's count the teams that have championship aspirations. The Caps.
Should we do Soggy Sorrows for the Caps? No, they didn't have championship aspirations. They were in the playoffs.
We did not have championship aspirations. We had a minus 36 goal difference.
Who has championship aspirations? I do not. I do not.
Celtics. Oh, okay.
And Bruins? Yeah. Okay, so we'll do Saga Stars if those teams lose.
What about other teams? What about the Islanders? What about the Islanders? Memes. They're already out.
We're going four straight in a row. Okay.
Okay. What about the 76ers? Memes is just like a walking Soggy Sorrows.
Dead. Okay, but you have LeBron aspirations.
I do have LeBron aspirations. So you should do Soggy Sorrows if they don't get LeBron.
Do the Bears have championship aspirations? I found it. I found it.
This woman tweeted Oh. Someone tweeted, we don't talk about it but explicitly asking for consent can ruin a vibe.
This woman quoted you and said, this dude's a dumbass. Have you ever heard a raspy may I in your ear? It's divine.
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Double consent. What was it? Where were we? I'll go the last one.
Where were we? Where were we? If LeBron doesn't go to the city. I'm assuming it was you based off how quickly you defended yourself, but you stopped doing soggy sorrows now where you're bringing it back.
I did not stop doing soggy sorrows. I did soggy sorrows.
Someone find the list of soggy sorrows. I did it.
I've done it. I may have denied soggy sorrows at one point.
I was not the who denied it hank find me saying i denied it because there's not well it was it was behind the seat there's like we're doing soggy sorrows no like i'm not soggy sorrows has to be a loss that actually like it can't be like the bulls lost a play-in game soggy sorrows has to be like a real soul-crushing loss i remember doing it for double doing yeah because you can't water down soggy sorrows. Right.
So it's championship aspirations, which happens to be the Celtics and Bruins. Great.
Hey, PMT gang, it's Matt from Oregon. Behind the jeans, who is the biggest hog on the show? Thanks.
Not me. I don't know that we've seen each other's penises.
Well, I guess... Have I seen anyone's penis? Hank's got a decent wrench.
PFT's got big balls. I have small everything.
I have meaty clackers. Meaty clackers.
I mean, what about you guys in the booth? The crown is up. Knowing what we have in here, I think the crown is for the taking.
Clackers. That's my answer.
Memes could have a hog. Shane might have a fucking...
Shane might have an OnlyFans.

Dude, Pug.

I don't got a hog.

Pug is dragging a wagon.

Pug, you got a wagon?

Pug, you got a wagon?

No, Pug.

Might be Hank.

Hank might be the big dick on campus.

You might be, yeah.

Also, that's...

Jake's been awfully quiet.

He has.

Jake, you got a big one?

Maybe.

Oh, okay.

Maybe.

Should we measure?

Why not?

I'll go first.

Three and a half inches.

Are we talking soft?

No, that was hard.

Okay.

All right.

I'm the leader in the clubhouse.

Submit your score.

Shocking news.

Local sports podcast. not exactly packing baby's forearms it's like what do you want me to say dude oh yeah we're not uh it is always funny whenever we do like athletic competitions people like you guys suck yeah that's why we talk about yeah i just like the phrase behind the jeans.
That's good. Maybe we do.
Maybe we get all of us get caddies. They have to fill out a scorecard.
No legal stuff. All right.
Good show, boys. Pug three in a row.
Let's do some numbers. Max, you ever gotten this? Max, you ever gotten this? Not yet.
You haven't gotten this? Not yet. PFT, you ever gotten this? Max, have you ever gotten this? Not yet.

You haven't gotten this?

Not yet.

PFT, have you ever gotten this?

You didn't answer your question.

I said not yet.

That's not a valid question.

Big Gats question.

Have you ever gotten this?

Not yet.

No.

It's a yes or no question.

No.

Oh, that's... PFT, have you ever gotten this?

I haven't gotten it yet.

Yes.

Good answer, PFT.

Okay. Numbers.
18. Oh, that's...
PFT, have you ever gotten this? I haven't gotten it yet. Yes, good answer, PFT.
Okay, numbers.

18.

46.

20.

3.

8.

43.

8.

8.

40 and 6.

Okay.

21.

That's good math.

70.

That isn't math.

I'm going to go 73.

73.

Oh, I love Hank.

Combining 40 and 6.

43.

Pug, if you win this one, is 99 bad for the league?

You might have to take it out.

Yeah.

It's a hot ball.

Looks like a 61.

61.

Oh, if you just combined 60 and 1, you would have had it.

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