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Speaker 1 Great sports weekend. We have our good friend Peter Schrager on the show to break down the 2024 NFL draft winners, losers, stories from Detroit.
We also have our good friend Alex Caruso in studio.

Speaker 1 I know we had him on three weeks ago, but this time we have him on talking NBA playoff basketball. He gives us some great insight into how these series are going, tells us how we're stupid.

Speaker 1 Well, he didn't say we're stupid, but we felt stupid with some of the things he told us and taught us about basketball. We're going to talk some NBA playoffs.
We're going to recap the draft.

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Speaker 8 Is Philadelphia a bad sports town? This time to have the conversation.

Speaker 1 These are the questions. I know that

Speaker 1 Max was hoping we didn't do this to start, but I would say it's the biggest story. We're going to talk about the draft.
We're going to recap the draft.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about every NBA and NHL playoff series.

Speaker 1 But the the big story was on Sunday afternoon, the New York Knicks took a commanding 3-1 lead behind a brilliant performance from Jalen Brunson, and

Speaker 1 the city of Philadelphia was completely cucked by New York Knicks fans who were so loud. Very loud.
So loud.

Speaker 8 Very loud. They were cheering for Sixers' missed free throws.
They were cheering every time the Knicks made a shot.

Speaker 8 I guess we can talk about it a lot, but I feel like we should go to our Philly sports guy to get his perspective on it.

Speaker 3 Hank, what did you think about the knicks showing up in the building more than the sixers fans did yeah i mean the knicks are a passionate sports town fashion passionate group of people uh they showed up and and they made their their voices known they see they put the jersey on wilt's statue yeah covered the whole thing up couldn't see it anymore Yeah, I mean, that's usually something that, you know, and if it's a good sports sound versus good sports sound, that comes to blows or people fight back or, you know, the Knicks fans aren't even able to get in because it's a home game for Philly.

Speaker 8 Defend the statue. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Brunson was awesome.
He was awesome.

Speaker 8 There was no diving all over the place. Josh Hart had a hilarious stat line.
He had 45 minutes. He had four points, I believe, on four free throws.
Yep. And 17 rebounds.

Speaker 1 17 rebounds. All hustle from the Knicks supporting cast.
They just out-rebounded the hell out of the Sixers.

Speaker 1 That fourth quarter. This series is awesome because it does feel old-school basketball vibes.
Yeah. Where it's kind of a fist fight on a basketball court.

Speaker 8 But yeah, the Knicks had 15 offensive rebounds to sixers nine they wanted it more there are a few possessions where they were getting third fourth looks and it felt like there was nothing that you could do Hank I have a follow-up question for you as a big Philly sports fan when Embiid had that wide open look at the end of the game and he decided not to take the shot and then dribbled towards the basket did that give you flashbacks Did that give you flashbacks?

Speaker 1 Excuse me, you said he didn't take the shot.

Speaker 2 Did he end up taking the shot in that possession?

Speaker 8 He drove clumsily into the hole and did not dunk it and tried to reverse anything.

Speaker 8 No, he did not take the shot. The wide open shot.

Speaker 2 Who took the shot in that possession?

Speaker 8 He did not take the wide open shot that he had.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 8 But as a Philly sportsman, did that give you flashbacks of Ben Simmons and rim protector Trey Young?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, this team needs a major shake-up. There's a lot of big changes happening to the Philadelphia 76ers this offseason.

Speaker 1 What about the fact that Embiid, who has played great in this series, even though he continues stepping on people,

Speaker 1 you know, throwing shoulders into people's face.

Speaker 3 Not great at boxing out either.

Speaker 8 Not great at boxing out.

Speaker 1 As Bell's palsy guys, he scored one point in the fourth quarter. Kind of ran out of gas.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's tough when you, every year, run out of gas. And or made a glass.
And or made a glass.

Speaker 8 So, what about at the end of the very end of the game?

Speaker 8 Kyle Lowry taking those foul shots, misses a shot intentionally, but didn't communicate to his teammates that he was going to try to miss intentionally to get a rebound.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I feel like that might be coaching. You know, at the end of game one, they decided not to foul when it was still, you know, reasonable that they could have made a comeback.

Speaker 3 Again, these end-of-game situations, you think that they're things that you go over and practice, and it's just, you don't even have to communicate because you know you've run the end-of-game situations.

Speaker 3 If we're down by this many, this time on the clock, you missed the free throw. This is what we're doing.
That's not something a player should have to say.

Speaker 3 That's something that the coaches should have communicated, you know, throughout the whole year. The playoffs, you coach for these exact situations.
That's true. Fair point.

Speaker 3 So for your team to not be on the same page, how does that happen?

Speaker 1 Are they dead?

Speaker 8 Are they done?

Speaker 1 Yeah. oh, yeah.
They could fire the coach because he's been there for a long time.

Speaker 5 Has he?

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, no.

Speaker 8 No, Nick Nurse just got there. Shit.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 Tobias Harris is going to be gone.

Speaker 1 That's the big fix.

Speaker 8 That's a good spin zone.

Speaker 1 Tobias Harris is going to be gone. Max, did you watch the game at all?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I happened to... turn it on.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And what were your thoughts? Your Nova guys, I mean, Jalen Brunson was incredible.
Yeah. Brunson was good.
He's so good.

Speaker 2 He had 47 points on 34 shots.

Speaker 3 He's been great all series.

Speaker 8 Wait, wait, why did you include the 34 shots in there?

Speaker 2 Because if Joel Embiid did that, that's the only thing that people would be talking about.

Speaker 8 Wait, but he shot the ball 34 times. Did he shoot above or below 50% from the field?

Speaker 2 I think it was barely above 50%.

Speaker 8 Barely above. It was above 50%, yeah.

Speaker 2 Joellen Biet

Speaker 2 is scoring 35 points a game, 45% from the field, and a plus.

Speaker 1 34

Speaker 2 when he's on the court. Jalen Brunson is scoring 33 points a game, 40% from the field, and is a minus three when he's on the court.

Speaker 2 And the difference that the people are talking about Jalen Brunson and Joellen Biet is absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 Okay, but

Speaker 1 saying 34 shots felt like an insult.

Speaker 8 It wasn't insulting.

Speaker 1 He went 18 for 34.

Speaker 1 He also had 10 assists. So it's not like he was just ball hogging and being like, I'm going to shoot the whole time.
And two turnovers, which is pretty incredible considering.

Speaker 9 No, he had a really good game.

Speaker 2 But everyone acting like that Jalen Brunson is the next big thing, and Joelle Embiid is shit. Joellen Biat is having a better series than Jalen Brunson.

Speaker 8 I would say, with the exception of the fourth quarter, he has a better, he had the fourth quarter today, correct?

Speaker 2 The fourth quarter today, correct. Jalen Brunson was very good.
Joelle Embiid ran out of gas. I do not think it was a good decision by Nurse to leave him out on the court for the entire second half.

Speaker 2 He's not ready for that right now. And you could just obviously tell he ran out of gas.
But, like, I hate that

Speaker 2 it's now, oh, Embiid fucking choking again in the playoffs when he's averaging 35 points a game.

Speaker 1 He had 50 points last game. By the way,

Speaker 8 I've been very impressed with Embiid throughout this playoffs, with the exception of the fourth quarter, where he was completely out against him.

Speaker 2 I am very, very, I'm very down to say that.

Speaker 1 By the way, that was the first time a player's ever taken 34 shots and had a 40 and 10.

Speaker 8 Pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 Anytime he takes more than 34 shots, usually doesn't have a 40 and 10. Yeah, especially never.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Brunson had a very, very good game. That's why the 10.

Speaker 1 He's also had

Speaker 2 bad runs in this stretch, too. Picked them up.

Speaker 2 But his supporting guys picked him up. No one picked up NB today when he had a bad stretch.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So is it over? Yeah, it's over. And

Speaker 1 what's the fix? Yeah, wow. I mean, you just don't have.

Speaker 1 I mean, you got.

Speaker 8 What about the series of the year?

Speaker 1 Series of the year.

Speaker 2 Rebounding.

Speaker 1 40 points. Rebounding.

Speaker 2 They have 40 extra second chance points in this series.

Speaker 1 I've been very impressed with the Knicks. They just rebound.
They just are dogs.

Speaker 2 They are dogs.

Speaker 2 It's just that they want it more.

Speaker 1 The Sixers are

Speaker 2 better basketball players. They are a better basketball team.

Speaker 3 Does the same go for the fans?

Speaker 2 Yes. Fans were a joke today.
Everything that Joe Ellen Beat said is 100% correct. You can't let that happen.

Speaker 8 It's very disappointing. It might be the crowd of the year at the closeout game for the Knicks.
This next game at the garden, that place is going to be busted.

Speaker 3 Yeah, honestly, it might be the crowd of the year at the closeout game if the Sixers win this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true, true.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 2 I'm already worried about that.

Speaker 1 Would you, like, not to Mark Wahlberg, but if you were there, would it have gone down differently?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I would have beat the shit out of those guys.

Speaker 1 That's my gosh.

Speaker 2 There were things

Speaker 2 I was watching videos today. I'm like, where is the Philly rep that you don't come into our town without getting a punch? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Dude was flipping people off after the game, just in a crowd of Sixers fans, and they were just sitting there taking it. They owned Jack.

Speaker 8 The one time you guys did show up was when there was a loose ball and I think it was Maxie hit the ground, good hustle play, and you had everybody on the sideline calling timeout. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Like every fan stood up and they're like, timeout, timeout. You got the timeout.
And the refs gave it to the fans.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Made an impact play. But

Speaker 1 this was a bad day for Philly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Very,

Speaker 2 bad sports town today.

Speaker 1 Oh, today. All right.
Good job putting in today because, yeah, I just, and maybe it's just Knicks fans are so crazy, which they are. Like, it's been so long since.
That's the other thing.

Speaker 2 That's the other thing.

Speaker 2 This is the first time that the Knicks actually have a shot at making a run, and the Sixers have been so disappointing year after year after year.

Speaker 2 There's obviously a difference.

Speaker 3 They're making the playoffs.

Speaker 2 There's obviously a difference of excitement in between fan bases right now. And you can tell.
I mean, you can just tell.

Speaker 8 It got to the point where during foul shots, I thought it seemed like every shot that the Sixers were taking was for a free chicken. Yeah.
Because they would miss, and the crowd would go crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 every single time Bronx touched the ball, the MVP chance.

Speaker 1 That could have been the Sixers Twitter guy, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is the process a failure?

Speaker 2 No, I mean, no.

Speaker 2 You get Tobias Harris off the books. Hopefully, you can bring in role players next year.

Speaker 1 Did you guys go to Paris? Did the process get you to the Eastern Conference final?

Speaker 2 Joe Olenbeat is still there. Tyrese Maxie is still there.
You still have two stars on the team.

Speaker 2 If you can build a team and not put $200 million into a guy that can't get you 10 points in a playoff game,

Speaker 2 then you have some room to work with.

Speaker 1 Again, coaching.

Speaker 8 I think we're talking about

Speaker 8 the process. We're talking about the results of the process when we should be focused on the process of the process.
True.

Speaker 8 And the fact is, the process of the process worked, and they got a bunch of good draft picks. Yeah.

Speaker 8 We're just results guys now, all of a sudden, we're judging the process.

Speaker 1 And the process doesn't actually, you can't judge the process until Joel Embiid retires.

Speaker 1 Yes. Actually, you can never judge.

Speaker 2 Joe Ellen Biede is still a top player in this game.

Speaker 1 When he has leads, when he has his gas.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. He ran out of gas.

Speaker 1 He runs out of gas every time.

Speaker 2 But that was the problem because

Speaker 2 in the first half, as soon as we were up 10, he comes off the court, three minutes go by, the Knicks tie it up.

Speaker 2 You have to be able to weather the storm without your best player being on the court. Like Joellen Bied, when he's on the court,

Speaker 2 the Sixers are the better team when he's on the court.

Speaker 3 You just need a guard that can get his own shot, score a bunch of points.

Speaker 2 That's not what I said.

Speaker 3 Make shots.

Speaker 1 Big threes. 12 for 17

Speaker 1 in a game.

Speaker 8 Be reliable in the playoffs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You need one of those.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So Sixers are dead. That's official.
Max is burying them.

Speaker 8 Have we already started the conversation, Max, about Josh spending too much time on the Commanders, not enough time on the Sixers?

Speaker 2 I don't care about

Speaker 1 your stupid football team. Okay, all right.
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 8 I've had that conversation. That's fair.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 Cocky Hank. Nope.
Is he back? No.

Speaker 1 He even said after the Celtics

Speaker 1 beat down the heat, two more games exactly like that and move on.

Speaker 1 It's a Magic Johnson tweet.

Speaker 1 Our boy has been lobotomized. He doesn't have any pat.
He's just, he's like a robot watching these games now.

Speaker 8 And move on. And move on.

Speaker 1 Two more games exactly like that and move on.

Speaker 3 Just forget about the heat. Get it over with.

Speaker 8 Are you not going to be excited about any games they play until the finals?

Speaker 3 I'm excited about every game. Yeah.
You guys. But just the next game.

Speaker 1 That was good, though.

Speaker 1 You're back. That's why we were upset that Cocky Hank was retired because that was, I think I said it when we were talking about it on Thursday.
Like, you're going to 20-piece the heat on Saturday.

Speaker 3 But that was just on Saturday. We're focused on Monday.
We got to do it again Monday, do it again Wednesday or Thursday, and just move on. Don't

Speaker 3 20-piece.

Speaker 1 20-piece every time.

Speaker 8 20 piece targets.

Speaker 8 If you were to rank every player in the series, how far down would you have to go to get to the first heat player?

Speaker 1 Bam's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably four or five.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Bam's pretty good. Put KP above him?

Speaker 1 Oh, you would. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 What about coaching?

Speaker 3 No, coaching's probably a toss-up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably a toss-up. We're Missoula guys now, so we got to say that.
Shout out to the bus.

Speaker 3 If they were playing on the court, Missoula all day.

Speaker 8 Yeah, good point. That's a really good point.
He's been there.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. If they were inside of a batting cage and one of them had to get out with their life, I'm taking Missoula all day.
Yep. Alpha male challenge.
Okay, other games.

Speaker 1 The Lakers have beaten the Nuggets in a game.

Speaker 9 We should clarify

Speaker 1 the whole game. And Hank's wish might be coming true because Jamal Murray is questionable for Monday night's games.
He's got cash. He's all his wishing that the Nuggets get injured.

Speaker 1 If you're a Nuggets fan, blame Hank.

Speaker 3 I wish, wished, for the record, the opposite.

Speaker 1 Right, but whenever someone says, I don't root for injuries, they're rooting for injuries.

Speaker 3 I mean, you said that a million times on the show.

Speaker 1 And every time I've been rooting for injuries. That's fucked up.
So there we go.

Speaker 8 Yeah, in this game, I don't know about you, but it definitely felt like this game was not over until the last minute and a half of the game. Yeah.
Even though it was never really that close.

Speaker 8 Like they got to, what, eight points at one point?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think.

Speaker 8 But it was just like the clock ticking, and the Lakers are still up somewhere in the 10 to 17 point point range and the announcers just kept saying like not over they still got to weather the big comeback that's coming so you felt like the big comeback was going to happen until it didn't until the game was totally over and LeBron James was fucking awesome again yeah

Speaker 1 Anthony Davis I love that Anthony Davis is playing with hey

Speaker 1 We're not going to win this series, but you motherfuckers can't blame me, Energy, every single night because he had 25 and 23, 23 rebounds.

Speaker 1 He's making sure that whatever blame pie goes around, it's not on AD.

Speaker 8 So one thing that they touched on, the announcers brought this up, and I went and I looked it up because it is very impressive.

Speaker 8 There are now, I believe, one, two, three, four, five, six players to play 21 seasons in the NBA. It's Vince, Kevin Garnett, Dirk, Robert Parrish, Kevin Will, LeBron.
They've each played 21 seasons.

Speaker 8 LeBron in his 21st season has more points. than all the other guys combined in their 21st season.
Whoa. Pretty crazy.
That is crazy.

Speaker 8 Like, we don't think about what LeBron's doing right now in proper context, I don't think, because we've just seen LeBron be awesome for his entire career.

Speaker 8 But the fact that he's 39 and doing this, and him and AD are putting the Lakers on their backs and being like, we're not going to get swept. And they have been competitive.

Speaker 8 If you look at the time with a lead in this series, it is crazy. They're winning the series.
The Lakers are dominating the series. Yeah.
But the Nuggets have just won more games.

Speaker 8 No, I mean, the Nuggets are a problem. They're still very good, and I expect the Nuggets to win in the next game and close it out at home.

Speaker 8 But still, even though we are going to take a lot of pleasure in LeBron getting bounced from the first round of the playoffs, as we should, I think we've earned that right. Yeah.

Speaker 8 As LeBron haters, it is pretty fucking impressive what he's doing.

Speaker 1 I said it

Speaker 1 last week when I think it was game one or two when he had that Jamal Murray block and it looked exactly like the splitter block 10 years ago and it put everything into perspective.

Speaker 1 You're like, holy fuck. Like, yeah, he's not the same LeBron that was the peak LeBron, who was the best player in the world.
But

Speaker 1 even still, he's playing 39, 40, 42 minutes a night and putting up insane numbers, and he is old. Oh, breaking.

Speaker 3 This is breaking news for me coming across my timeline.

Speaker 1 Breaking what?

Speaker 3 Breaking moves. Okay.

Speaker 1 OJ's dead.

Speaker 3 Joel Embiid is the fourth player in the last 25 postseasons with multiple games in the same series, shooting 0-5 or worse in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Run out of gas.

Speaker 8 He has Bell's palsy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a hybrid.

Speaker 2 He's a hybrid. We're on to the next game.
What are you doing here?

Speaker 1 It was bringing news to him. To him, he said.

Speaker 8 To plug him back in.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's tough. He's the anti-LeBron.

Speaker 8 Yeah, well, we can get back to LeBron Haight. We sucked his dick for long enough, I think.
He only won because they sold their shoes for the pregame warm up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also, his temper tantrum at Darvin Ham was so funny. He was looking, he looked like a five-year-old not getting their candy bar.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he just stood there for what

Speaker 8 it felt like 10 seconds

Speaker 8 screaming at him. Stomped.
Well, stomping at him. He was stomping at him even when the ball was going the other way.
He was just continuing to yell at his coach. That was great.

Speaker 8 For that reason, I wish they had lost that game where the one where he flipped out on his own coach. Yeah.
Regrettably, they won that one, so we won't get to remember that as well. We should.

Speaker 8 But you know what? I was kind of happy to see the Lakers get one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because they needed, I mean, it had gotten so ridiculous the way they were losing and the way the Nuggets continued to snatch their soul

Speaker 1 to go out and fighting and win one was big.

Speaker 8 The gentleman's sweep, maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Who's not going out and fighting is the Pelicans.
They're done. Yep.
Cooked. The Thunder are for real.

Speaker 1 They've been dominating.

Speaker 1 The first game was close, but since then, they've emasculated the Pelicans. And now we have

Speaker 1 Charles Barkley with all-time rants. He said that the Pelicans are so bad, they shouldn't go to Cancun.
They should go to Galveston.

Speaker 1 And then he followed it up the next day.

Speaker 1 Shaq Shaq did a really good job of just, I love Charles Barkley so much, of just getting him to double down because he found out that Beyonce's from Galveston.

Speaker 1 So he's like, I don't want the Bayhive after me. And so he apologized.
And then I think Shaq said, like, are you going to go to Galveston?

Speaker 1 He said, the water's so dirty, I'd rather go to San Antonio with those big old women.

Speaker 1 And then he said that San Antonio, you know about Victoria's secret. They don't.
It's a secret to them because they're too big.

Speaker 1 So he basically took one shot at Galveston, apologized, apologized, and then took another shot at Galveston and then added in San Antonio. And it was one of the funniest TV moments.

Speaker 8 I think he said, like, I'd rather go down to the river walk and watch the big old women. Big old women with it shouldn't be a river, it should be a river treadmill down there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just big old women.

Speaker 8 He's right about Galveston, by the way. And we're going to get into that with Caruso in a little bit.
But Charles, don't let Shaq, don't let the Bayhive, don't let Jay-Z

Speaker 8 talk you out of what's right. Stand up for yourself.
Galveston is a weird fucking beach. Yeah.
You don't want to go there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, and then also on Saturday, we had the Magics tying the series 2-2.

Speaker 1 The Magics defense is so goddamn good.

Speaker 1 I don't think I've seen this in an NBA playoff game in a long time where the Cavs went to start the third quarter all the way to garbage time with four minutes left.

Speaker 1 The Cleveland Cavaliers scored 18 points.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it was painful. 18

Speaker 8 for that Cavs offense. I like the Magic.
I think they're a good young team.

Speaker 1 They play just great defense.

Speaker 8 They're not going to do much this year. They might win this series.
They're going to make it competitive. I bet on them to win the series.
I hope they win the series.

Speaker 8 But I feel like next two, three years, they might be making some noise.

Speaker 1 This would be pretty tragic if the Cavs can't win this series because Dan Gilbert never won a series without LeBron James. Yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 1 And he's the one who said they're going to win a championship without LeBron James. And it does feel like the Cavs are at a crossroad where

Speaker 1 they keep adding people, adding players, adding draft picks, since they should have something to show for it.

Speaker 1 And if the magic, the upstart magic, who have like, it's just such a funny, when you have two teams, like the magic, if they lose this series, the future's bright. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If the Cavs lose this series, like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 We just can't win series.

Speaker 8 Because the Cavs used to be the Magic, right? They're a fun, young team. And at some point, if you're a fun, young team and you don't win, you just age into being mid.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So a lot at stake there. 2-2 series.
And then Sunday, so we talked about the Sixers Knicks game. If you aren't watching the NBA playoffs, I understand some people are like, oh, fuck the NBA.

Speaker 1 We don't want to watch the NBA.

Speaker 1 That Mavericks Clippers game, especially the fourth quarter, was such awesome playoff basketball.

Speaker 1 When Kyrie, like the Mavericks were down 20 in the first half, but when Kyrie and James Harden were just going shot for shot, and James Harden was insane, and Paul George, playoff P, that three-pointer he made at the end of the shot clock in the corner where he like, you know, a step back, incredible shot to make that was that was what playoff basketball should be those two teams they they find a way i know kawaii was out again which was actually good for the clippers because he was so bad on friday yeah they moved the ball yeah and he he just looks injured but that that game was so much fun to watch and like kyrie when he when kyrie gets going and he just starts making just like insane shot after insane shot it's so much fun to watch there was one layup he had today that i think it was like a triple pump fake yeah he was in the air yeah he clutched it like three times and made the layup, and he wasn't surprised that he made it.

Speaker 8 No. And I was actually not shocked at all that went in because I've seen Kyrie do that within eight feet of the basket.
Kyrie is a fucking magician and always has been.

Speaker 8 But it was just, it was great basketball to watch. You're right.
It was a lot of fun down the stretch. And

Speaker 8 I kept thinking like this would be an all-time collapse by the Clippers, but then the Clippers just kept playing great basketball and offense and holding him off.

Speaker 8 And it ended up just being a great game on both sides.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was so much fun. It was so much fun.
And then the other...

Speaker 8 Palmer in the front row. Yeah.
Loving it, living it up.

Speaker 1 Cuban, who he doesn't own the team, but he still gets all the camera time. Is he involved with the team? I think he still is, but he can be fired at any moment.

Speaker 1 I still don't really understand that entire.

Speaker 8 He gave up his ownership? Yeah. So he's like owner.

Speaker 8 Was it

Speaker 8 employed? Emeritus?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think they were just like, yeah, you can just keep your seats and tell people that you own the team.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you've been around for like, they probably just kept in there to yell at the refs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably. Do your work, Cubes.

Speaker 1 And then the Pacers and Bucs. The Bucs are going outside.

Speaker 1 And I know Bucs fans, yeah, they're very injured. Dame was out this game.
Bobby Porter's got ejected. Chris Middleton's hurt.
Giannis has not played yet.

Speaker 1 I understand if you're a Bucs fan, you're like, this is bullshit or injuries.

Speaker 1 Injuries happen, and injuries bounce your way, and sometimes they don't.

Speaker 1 Because I just want to remind everyone that when Kevin Durant almost single-handedly beat the Bucs their championship season, James Harden and Kyrie Irving were hurt. So

Speaker 1 they happen in sports.

Speaker 1 What was that game seven? I know you guys lost by a billion, but Jason Tatum rolled his ankle

Speaker 1 on the first play of game seven. It sucks.
I understand being very bummed out about it, but you can't, like, they just, sometimes they go your way, sometimes they don't.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they're really not going their way this time.

Speaker 1 But they really didn't go, they really went their way when they won a title. And I never apologize for a title.

Speaker 1 I'm not taking away the Bucs title, but you also can't then you can't just ignore the injuries that happen when you win a title and then be like the Pacers stink.

Speaker 1 They're just getting lucky because we're injured.

Speaker 8 It also makes it very hard for the Bucs to figure out what they have to do this offseason.

Speaker 8 The fact that their main guys aren't showing up at 100% in the playoffs, how do you evaluate that going next year? I don't know.

Speaker 8 Like, are you honest with yourself and you say like the team wasn't really clicking that well to begin with?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 5 Or do you say, let's.

Speaker 1 The doc will fix it? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Let the doc take a look at it.

Speaker 1 That Tyrese Halberton game winner on Friday, which that was the weirdest.

Speaker 1 It started at 4.30 in Central Time. It was very bizarre to have a game like I was watching overtime, and it was still very light out.
But yeah, Tyrese Halberton, incredible finish, incredible game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Chris Middleton just, I thought he was going to hit three in a row. He had

Speaker 1 two insane three-pointers to keep the game extended. But yeah, the Pacers are fun.
They're like, they're a fun young team, and

Speaker 1 I like watching them run up and down the court. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I mean, that game was one of the best ones of the playoff so far. Double overtime.
Incredible. But it was weird.
Hank and I walked in the studio, and we're like, this game's not live, is it? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Because it was in the first quarter. We're like, no, there's no chance this game's on right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's like a replay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was very bizarre. Triple header, I guess.

Speaker 1 All right, so we'll talk about the Suns Wolves when it finishes. There's eight minutes left in the game.
The Wolves are trying to sweep the Suns. Hank, you're up.
3-1 on the Leafs. Poor Leafs.

Speaker 3 Swayman, 3-0.

Speaker 1 And the Leafs are melting down. We're going to have Biz or Whitney on Friday to talk some hockey.
They're melting down.

Speaker 3 Probably be all Bruins fans. Game 5,

Speaker 3 or I guess game six if it goes back to Toronto. But yeah, they're the Philly of the NHL.

Speaker 3 Stack team. Can't get out of the first round.

Speaker 1 Process.

Speaker 1 Just, it's a bummer.

Speaker 8 Sad. Leafs.
It is sad for a historic franchise like the Leafs.

Speaker 1 PFT, your team now technically is eliminated.

Speaker 8 Technically, we are.

Speaker 8 Today, they actually didn't follow one of my keys to the game. Okay.
So this game shouldn't count. Ovie didn't get a shot.

Speaker 1 Again.

Speaker 8 It's okay, so I can spin on this a couple ways. Number one, I got one for you as well.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Number one, the Capitals should get credit for the Rangers winning this series and for the Rangers turning into the juggernaut they are.

Speaker 8 Because the Rangers turned around their entire franchise a couple years ago when Tom Wilson, in a horrifying act of violence, threw Panarin to the ground. Or was it, no, it's a bit of jad.

Speaker 8 Threw him to the ground. One of the two.
Anyways, they accused him basically of attempted murder. They wrote a letter, an open letter, begging the league to suspend Tom Wilson or have him arrested.

Speaker 8 And then they fired their entire front office after that because they realized that they were a soft hockey team.

Speaker 8 Since that moment, the Rangers have turned it around.

Speaker 8 They've built themselves up into being a tougher hockey team, a more talented hockey team, a more cohesive hockey team, all directly from the fact that Tom Wilson absolutely bodied you in your own house one time.

Speaker 8 So, in a way, the Caps kind of could take credit for winning this this series. Yeah.
For building the Rangers into the juggernaut that they are right now. They were a much better team than the Caps.

Speaker 8 Ovie looked awful this entire playoff series, which is weird because he looked good at the end of the regular season, but he did not look like the Ovie that I've grown to know and love and watch over the last how many years?

Speaker 8 Came in the league in like 2004.

Speaker 8 He looked very different. So now I'm even thinking, like, next year, what is it going to be?

Speaker 8 Is it going to be Ovie just like running out there for power plays, plays, hoping to get a shot from his office where he can still snipe it in? I don't know.

Speaker 8 If this is what Alexander Ovechkin is, he might not get the goals record.

Speaker 8 Because this playoff series, going multiple games without a single shot from one of the greatest goal scorers of all time, if not the greatest goal scorer of all time, was just bizarre to watch.

Speaker 8 And it was sad. And I was telling Big Cap before we taped, I just really wanted at least one more day where I could be like, I have appointment television.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got something you got to do.

Speaker 8 Where it's like, tonight, the Caps are in a playoff game. Can't wait to watch.

Speaker 8 But they're in a weird spot where they've been sellers at the trade deadline the past two seasons without really an opportunity of doing anything big in the playoffs.

Speaker 8 They got into the playoffs this year, even though we're in the middle of a rebuild.

Speaker 8 But it still does feel like the Caps next season is just going to be dedicated to Ovie getting the all-time scoring record.

Speaker 8 And when he's not playing that well, then it's like, well, what are we doing as a hockey team? So obviously, Ovi's going to be back next year. I hope that he's not.

Speaker 8 I hope that it's not something that's wrong with him. I hope that just maybe it was a long season that ended up getting the best of him.
But he looked fucking awful. Yeah.
Awful this entire series.

Speaker 8 And we got our asses kicked. It got to a point where I was hoping that you could decline penalties in hockey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you said that out loud.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I said it out loud. I know you can't decline penalties in hockey, but they got, I think in three out of four games, they got a shorthanded goal.

Speaker 8 And at least in another game, they had another goal that should have been a shorthanded goal that was just barely, they missed. I forget what it was, maybe off the pipe or something.

Speaker 8 But the power play sucked. Everything sucked.
A couple young guys stepped up a little bit. All in all,

Speaker 8 the haters were right about the capitals.

Speaker 1 So I got a spin zone for you. Okay.
I have a rule of hard and fast rule when it comes to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 If you get eliminated within a single week, it never really happened. That's the beauty of it.
You like, that was so fast. It was seven days.
Yep. In and out.

Speaker 1 No one's going to remember you're in the playoffs, which is probably for the the better. And that's like, it doesn't, you didn't even

Speaker 1 people would, like, that'd be a trivia question.

Speaker 10 Who was the A seed in the 2024?

Speaker 8 No one will know. No one knows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it happened so fast.

Speaker 8 I didn't even get a chance to get excited by it by anything in this series.

Speaker 1 Right. It was over before

Speaker 1 you were the.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're 1-0 in the first game, right?

Speaker 1 Were we?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, I don't think.

Speaker 8 No, I think we were down.

Speaker 1 I think it was 0-0. We were down like the whole time.

Speaker 8 It was 0-0 after one period. Yeah.
We were tied. We were tied in the first game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 We'll always have that.

Speaker 1 It was,

Speaker 1 yeah, no, it was 3-0 in the first game before the Capitals scored their first goal. So they were literally just,

Speaker 1 like I said, it was just over.

Speaker 8 Is that true? I thought that we had one goal.

Speaker 1 No, I'm looking at it right now. It was 3-0 in the first game.
3-0. I thought we won.

Speaker 1 It was 3-1.

Speaker 8 You scored a goal. But that's because their three goals basically all happened at the same time.
So I eliminated those three minutes from the game.

Speaker 1 They happened very quickly. Yeah, you were the Abe Simpson, just walking in, walking out of of the playoffs.

Speaker 8 Yeah, today it was over after about, I think, 57 seconds. They scored their first goal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the game wasn't even on yet.

Speaker 8 It wasn't. We didn't get it on the TV yet, and we were already down.
So I feel like you never win those games if you're losing by the time you get it on.

Speaker 1 But it just, this didn't even happen.

Speaker 8 Didn't happen. You're good.
Didn't happen. You're good.
I apologize to Red Wings fans. I apologize to hockey fans.

Speaker 8 You were right. You were right.
The Caps probably shouldn't have been in the playoffs this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we will get

Speaker 1 Biz and

Speaker 1 or Whitney on this week to talk some more playoffs.

Speaker 1 We have to decide our period of the week.

Speaker 8 I've got a new nominee. I do too.
Is it the third period of the Preds Canucks? Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was crazy.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it was wild. The Preds had an open netter to win the game.
Missed it. Bounced it off the pipe.

Speaker 1 Inches, yeah.

Speaker 8 And then two goals with the goalie pulled for the Canucks goes into overtime. Canucks win.

Speaker 1 One with like three minutes left, and then they scored one with eight seconds left.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it was an awesome end to that period.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that I think we can just say that's period of the week.

Speaker 8 That's my vote.

Speaker 1 Yeah, anyone else got any other nominees? Period of the week?

Speaker 8 Periods you want to talk about? Any other periods? Hank Your Nobjan?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, the fourth, the quarters don't count, right?

Speaker 1 Well, the overtime you're talking about?

Speaker 8 Oh, he's talking about basketball. He's starting basketball.

Speaker 1 No, no, it's periods of the week. Well, like

Speaker 1 Alex Pennett's not in this anymore.

Speaker 3 No other periods of the week for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You could say, you could call a quarter a period.

Speaker 8 It is a period of time.

Speaker 3 I love the end of that Clippers.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was so good. It was so good.
Should that be period of the week?

Speaker 1 No, I think we got to see good periods.

Speaker 1 That could be quarter of the week. Okay.
That could be quarter of the week if you want that. Would you like to nominate that?

Speaker 1 It doesn't sound as cool as period of the week.

Speaker 8 No, period of the week is awesome. It's great.

Speaker 3 Maybe Max is texting when he was drunk last night.

Speaker 1 Hank, period. Pussy.

Speaker 10 Pussy period.

Speaker 2 You were being a pussy about the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was actually, that might be period of the week. It might be period in between.

Speaker 8 Pussy of the week. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, period, pussy, period.

Speaker 8 Max, were you actually upset at Hank for how he was acting?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, I was mad.

Speaker 1 I was a little mad, too.

Speaker 3 Max gets drunk and he wants to fight me. That's that's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 It's like you have a good team and you, you, one little heat loss, and you're, you, you, you took your ball.

Speaker 1 I got focused. You were literally talking about matching up against the Nuggets, then you would lose one game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I got ahead of myself, and now I'm back on the right track.

Speaker 8 We are right back on the right track. We are.
We got ahead of ourselves. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Any other hockey

Speaker 1 to talk about? I know the Oilers and the high, the first round has been, I don't want to say mid, but like it doesn't feel... There's been a couple good series.
I think the Night Stars series

Speaker 1 still has a way to get. That might go seven.

Speaker 1 And both teams have won, or all the road teams have won.

Speaker 1 But got a lot of three ones out there. Yeah.
Got a lot of three ones, and that's usually,

Speaker 1 I want a couple game sevens. I feel like usually the NHL playoffs will get at least one or two game sevens in the first round.

Speaker 8 I feel like the Bruins Bruins are on a heater right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have yeah we have a sweep in all games,

Speaker 1 all three ones except the 2-1 that is the Stars Knights. That's crazy.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Should we talk some NFL draft? We should talk some NFL draft. Recap of the NFL draft.

Speaker 1 Basically Friday and Saturday. I don't know how you guys consume the weekend of the NFL draft.
I essentially just wait for the Bears pick and then I'm like great pick and then everything else.

Speaker 1 Like if a QB Spencer Rattler went,

Speaker 1 everyone said that he sucks as a high schooler. Yeah.
Bad demeanor.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's a good way to do it. I like to watch the draft on Friday, like, kind of like I do on Thursday, where I pay close attention for at least the first few picks.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 And then I quickly realize, oh, yeah, this isn't nearly as entertaining as the Thursday is. Oh, yeah.
Second round, I get locked in on the guys that my team picks in the second round.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't have a second round pick this year. So I have a couple things I'll throw out there that we could talk about.

Speaker 1 J.J. McCarthy's initial picture showing up to the Vikings facility was very funny.
Someone aptly said that it had big-time mom, I threw up energy.

Speaker 1 He has like a wrinkled suit. Also, J.J.
McCarthy has been nominated by Colin Coward as the number one backwards hat energy quarterback in this draft class.

Speaker 8 Backwards hat energy. Yes.
That's different from actually wearing a backwards hat.

Speaker 5 That's got to just be the hair.

Speaker 1 He said it's hair, cocky Michigan guy, backwards hat energy. Okay.

Speaker 8 All right. But it's awesome that Coward's throwing backwards hat energy onto a guy not wearing a backwards hat.
Yeah. Where it's like,

Speaker 8 I don't like that you would be a backwards hat.

Speaker 1 He's trying to call his shop.

Speaker 8 If you wore a backwards hat, I would hate you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We had the funniest trade

Speaker 1 be realized in this year's NFL when the New England Patriots selected Joe Milton with the draft pick they got for Mac Jones. So that was perfect.

Speaker 1 They basically did pimp my ride with an exhibit, and they're like, hey, you liked your quarterback? Well, we put a cannon on him, but he can only throw cannons.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you want a deep ball guy? And Hank, I would start looking right now at Joe Milton.

Speaker 1 I've looked off. Oh, no.
Hank. Hank 2B controversy.
I think it might be. That's more excited about Joe Milton.

Speaker 8 It's got to be an open competition because if you watch Joe Milton throwing off passes,

Speaker 8 the highlights for Joe Milton are higher than anybody else's highlights.

Speaker 3 Ball looks real light in his hands.

Speaker 1 At least you have a Hail Mary guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, he's exciting.

Speaker 10 He's an exciting player.

Speaker 1 Kind of redundant with Jacoby Rossett on the roster.

Speaker 8 Yeah, really.

Speaker 8 He was the designated sneak and Hail Mary guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Joe Milton will be both of those. Yeah.
For sure.

Speaker 3 Imagine if we got Harrison Jr. and then we had Joe Milton.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He would throw the ball off his helmet whenever he was within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage. It is great, though, that it was Mac Jones, the Mac Jones pick.

Speaker 1 The sixth-rounder they traded Mac Jones and got back. They then upgraded to Joe Milton, Cannon Arm.

Speaker 8 I think it's worth taking a flyer on, Joe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 The Bears got Sam Hartman.

Speaker 8 I think. No, I think the Commanders might have been.
The Commanders got Sam Harmon.

Speaker 1 We got someone else. Some other.

Speaker 1 I don't even know.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got a punter.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you got the Iowa punter, which is awesome. He's very experienced.
He's got a lot of mileage on that leg, though, punting at Iowa. Listen,

Speaker 1 I like saying, hey, best player available. If it's a punter, it's a punter.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 That's what the commanders did throughout the entire draft. They just went best player available.
And we got Ben Sennett, the low man trophy winner from Kansas State. I like that.
He's awesome.

Speaker 8 He's Minnie Kittle. We're not doing baby Gronk anymore.
He's Baby Kittle.

Speaker 8 And he's going to be good. And then I also like.

Speaker 8 I like Newton, the guy from Illinois. Yeah.
Dude's a problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah. In the second round, you got him.

Speaker 8 In the second round, we got him. Also, there was a moment, Max and I were watching the draft together, and the commanders traded our pick to the Philadelphia Eagles.
It was in the second round.

Speaker 8 Max starts pounding his chest, being like, I want Cooper.

Speaker 1 I want.

Speaker 8 I thought he was asking to sign Riley Cooper again. It was really weird how angry he was getting.

Speaker 8 And then they end up drafting Cooper DeGene, and Max, you thought that they would have brought the Pope into town. Max was just loving it.

Speaker 8 And it was honestly a little bit uncomfortable how hard you were celebrating that pick. I think everybody in the bar was like, why does this guy like this white defensive back so much, Max?

Speaker 2 That's not what happened, even slightly true.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So give us the slight chance.

Speaker 2 PFT was very excited because his team was up and he wanted to get Cooper DeGene. And then the Eagles traded and then he just started immediately going like, Max, why do you like this pick so much?

Speaker 2 Why do you like this pick so much?

Speaker 9 Oh, you really want this guy? You really want this guy?

Speaker 2 Hmm, that's interesting. When it was really, he was really upset that he didn't get him.

Speaker 1 So he was just using all of that against me.

Speaker 8 His all-time moment in deflection when I just

Speaker 8 put,

Speaker 8 I pegged Max as a racist.

Speaker 8 I was like, look how much this racist wants this white cornerback.

Speaker 1 Kind of pathetic.

Speaker 8 Really pathetic how much you want this guy.

Speaker 8 But yeah, so I think the Eagles got fleeced in that trade regardless. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I was, you did get Sam Hartman. I was thinking of Austin Reed from Western Kentucky, the Bears got as an undrafted free agent.
I love the undrafted free agents. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sign everyone. What?

Speaker 3 I hate to poo-poo, PFT, but

Speaker 3 how did a tight end win the low-man trophy?

Speaker 8 He was a hybrid. He was a full-back tight end.
Also, I don't vote on it. Actually, I do vote on it.
That's a lie. But the people that nominate the fullbacks, they take care of that.

Speaker 8 And he did play fullback. Yeah.
He's both. He's kind of like a mix between Kittle and Ushek.

Speaker 1 By the way, PFT, did you see your new quarterback, Jaden Daniels,

Speaker 1 when he was seven years old, wrote on a piece of paper, I will play in the NFL?

Speaker 8 I saw that.

Speaker 1 How many pieces of paper have that for people who did not play in one of the four major sports?

Speaker 8 Oh, I was going to be. I definitely wrote it.
I was going to be the first baseball player astronaut.

Speaker 1 More pieces of paper with

Speaker 1 I will play in fill-in-the-blank league and never realizing that

Speaker 1 than street, than

Speaker 1 traffic lights in Manhattan. Oh, for sure.
Yeah, way more. Way more than toilets in the county.
There's millions every year.

Speaker 3 Every year you get a new one.

Speaker 1 Toilets in the country? Way more. Think about Russell Wilson's house.
Way more. He's got like 75 toilets.

Speaker 3 But no, get 75 new toilets the next year.

Speaker 8 Think about all the toilets and stadiums.

Speaker 8 So you think it's more than

Speaker 8 infinity?

Speaker 1 It's an infinity number?

Speaker 8 There's more toilets, yeah. Oh, you think there's more toilets? I think so, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank doesn't.

Speaker 9 It's in the billions.

Speaker 1 You think it's in the billions pieces of paper? Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 8 Your first job out of college, if you become an accountant or a salesperson, you should have to say, like, you know, every day when I was a kid, I'll grow up looking at the poster on my wall I had that said, one day I will play in the NFL.

Speaker 8 Yeah. And today I'm an accountant because I wasn't good enough at football.

Speaker 1 But what if it was a forensic accountant? Do you think there's ever been a kid who's written down, I want to, someday I want to be a forensic accountant? Maybe now because of Shohei. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's kind of a cool thing. All right, the Timberwolves are up two with two and a half minutes left.
All right, other draft notes I had. Keon Coleman rocks.
Yes. That was an

Speaker 1 awesome introductory press conference when he was like, guess where I got this jacket from? And then one of the bills reporters is like, from Tom Izzo? He's like, no, Macy's. And then

Speaker 1 he also said,

Speaker 1 Keon Coleman said that he went out on, he saw the field and he scored three touchdowns in his head in 30 seconds, which, as far as he knows, is a record.

Speaker 8 It's a record. Well, it's a record for thinking that you scored.
He definitely set that record.

Speaker 1 I actually would say that's not a record.

Speaker 8 I've never thought that I've scored more than three in 30 seconds. Three seems to be like two.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think there's got to be a Buffalo Bills fan who's looked at that end zone and just been like, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.

Speaker 8 Boom. How did that go? Like, when you scored your first touchdown, you recovered on-side kick?

Speaker 1 I think he just was like, oh, I'm going to score a touchdown in the back corner, and then I'm going to get one in the front. Yeah.
Maybe one in the middle.

Speaker 8 The part about the coat was so funny, too, talking about how he buys his coats in the offseason. So right now, he's looking at shopping for winter coats.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Because if you get it now, it's way less expensive than if you wait until like October or November to get it. Also, Xavier Lagette, awesome voice.
Awesome voice. Awesome voice.
Loved his press,

Speaker 1 too.

Speaker 8 Incredible.

Speaker 8 I would listen to him just read the phone book.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's great.
We also had, oh, speaking of the Bills, Josh Allen will be the first quarterback in NFL history to

Speaker 1 hand off or throw a pass to two separate Frank Cores.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah. Frank Orr Jr.
Tying with him.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah, and he played with Frank Orr Sr.
Yep. That's kind of of cool.

Speaker 8 That is very cool. And Frank Gore Jr.,

Speaker 8 his dad is really standing for him pretty hard, which I love. His dad's like, yeah, he's a carbon copy of me.
We had all the same measurables. Nobody thought I was going to be a great running back.

Speaker 8 That was probably because of the injuries in college.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 But yeah, what if Frank Gore Jr., what if he just plays for 20 years?

Speaker 1 Listen, Frank Gore Jr., I got to look it up. There was a game where

Speaker 1 Southern Miss didn't have a quarterback, and he played, I think he played quarterback and running back, and it was just the the Frank Gore

Speaker 1 Jr. show for the entire game where he ran the ball 30 times, threw it a few times, and it was awesome.
And I was like, I'm a Frank Gore Jr. guy now, too.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he's fun. There's actually a bunch of sons that got signed.
It was Frank Gore Jr. Jerry, Jerry Rice's kid got drafted a little bit later than people thought.

Speaker 8 We have another McCaffrey in the NFL. Yep.
He's a wide receiver, was a quarterback.

Speaker 8 And then there was somebody else.

Speaker 8 What others? Oh, Jeremiah Trotter. Jeremiah Trotter for the Eagles.
That was a cool cool moment.

Speaker 8 I love all the behind-the-scenes phone calls where they show the GM picking up the phone, calling the kid. The owner gets on the line.

Speaker 8 That was a great one because they also talked to Jeremiah Trotter Sr.

Speaker 8 And it looked like Lori was going to cry.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, it was cool. He talked about it.
He was like, I've known you since you were about two or three.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Axe Man, Axe Man Jr. coming in.

Speaker 2 Also, memes wanted me to say Joe Walt. He was screaming, say Joe Walt, say Joe Walt.

Speaker 8 Say Joe Alt?

Speaker 2 I guess.

Speaker 2 Joe Alt Stadt played.

Speaker 8 Oh, Joe and Stad's dad's play, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Joe Alt, very Harbaugh. Joe Alt came to the facility, and Harbaugh immediately was like, who's taller? You or your dad? And he made them stand back to back.
This is very hard baugh.

Speaker 1 Like, he's meeting his new first-round pick. And he was like, you guys, stand back to back.
I got to check this out real quick.

Speaker 1 See what genes we're working with.

Speaker 8 Because maybe room to grow if his dad's taller.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 All right. Other notes I had.
I think that's... Oh, I mean, we didn't talk about it on Thursday.
We should have. That was bad job by us.

Speaker 1 Roger Goodell was just perked out.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 10 he was pillheaded.

Speaker 8 He was duck walking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, moving slow, talking slow.

Speaker 8 He was standing very close to Eminem at the start of the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was, I mean, he got his, he got his back blown out.
Yeah. By the way, did Bradley Beale say something before this game, like, we're not going out like this? And I think he scored nine points.

Speaker 1 That's tough. Yeah, I don't think

Speaker 1 Bradley Beale.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll have to recap this as soon as it goes final. The Mavs, or sorry, the Wolves are up four right now with a minute 40.
I want them to sweep them.

Speaker 8 And we're going to talk about it with Peter Schrager in a little bit, but the video that came out on Friday of David Tepper walking into the Charlotte area restaurant, because the sign outside said, please let the GM make the picks this year.

Speaker 8 Tepper saw that. He went in there with...

Speaker 8 How many goons did he have with him? He had like at least...

Speaker 1 He just

Speaker 1 won. But it was kind of like a...

Speaker 1 I think he hired a security guard that's just basically Tepper Light. Like, they had the same body type, which doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Speaker 8 So, they go in there, and on the on the security footage, they're talking to the owner of the restaurant, or I think it was the owner, and the guy's wearing a hat, and Tepper just takes his hat off his head and puts it down in front of him.

Speaker 1 That's the most emasculating move you can do, yeah, taking another man's hat off, especially when you're David Tepper with that balding pattern, yeah, because he has classic

Speaker 1 rich guy male pattern baldness.

Speaker 8 If an owner took my hat off my head, I would show up like Christopher Maltasante in the neck brace, like Tony Khan. Yeah, I'd be like, oh, you broke my neck when you took my hat off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A complete, like, and the report came out after, like, he wasn't bothered. Mm-hmm.
Every time I'm not bothered, I try to steal someone's hat. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Honestly, if somebody took your hat off, because it was a big day online for people being like, I don't care who you are. If another man takes my hat off,

Speaker 8 I'm going to beat the shit out of him. I would fuck him up.
In that situation, would you have fucked David Tepper up?

Speaker 1 I would have fucked him up.

Speaker 8 I thought about that and I was like, I think I would have liked to say that I fucked him up, but I do think that faking an injury is the right move.

Speaker 1 Do you know what he should have done is for a guy like David Tepper, who's probably very litigious, so you don't want to get in a lawsuit with him and everything, and you know there's cameras, guy takes your hat, just throw him a fucking fake punch and watch him flinch like a bitch.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Is that assault? I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 No, definitely not. You don't touch him, you then would have to do two for flinching, which you could then say is assault.

Speaker 8 No, but legally, two for flinching, that's allowed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is allowed. But imagine if that was on the tape where

Speaker 1 you're and you just like a little juke him and

Speaker 1 I would have done that.

Speaker 1 And then you could maybe even get the other guy to throw a punch. And then now we're

Speaker 1 suit.

Speaker 1 Now you're set.

Speaker 8 I would have been like, I'm sorry, we spilled some of our famous sauce on your chest. And then he looks down and then boop.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do that one to him.
Who got hurt in this Suns game?

Speaker 1 The coach. Oh, no.
What happened?

Speaker 1 Wait, that's not.

Speaker 2 There was a loose ball.

Speaker 1 But that's like an assistant coach.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, that is the coach. Shit.

Speaker 1 That's bad. By the way, did Anthony Edwards just snatch Sol?

Speaker 8 Katie didn't jump up.

Speaker 1 Business decision. Damn.

Speaker 1 But he snatched him. Is that guy okay?

Speaker 10 What just happened?

Speaker 1 Mike Connolly was going for a loose ball on the sideline, ran right into the coach. Chris Finch just went down.
Yep. Oh, fuck.
Can you get up?

Speaker 1 This guy does not look ready to coach.

Speaker 1 He does not.

Speaker 8 He's got the biggest. Oh, shit.
I am am not prepared for this look on his face.

Speaker 1 He's Dennis Hopper, drunken hoosi. Yeah.
Being like, I don't want to be out here. Yeah, this is.

Speaker 8 They better make these free throws.

Speaker 1 This, I mean.

Speaker 8 He's not ready.

Speaker 1 He's ruined for the Suns, though. Can you pull it up for us?

Speaker 8 He looks like he just did not do any assignment whatsoever. Now he's about to give a presentation.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. All right.

Speaker 8 Now he's fighting with the other assistant.

Speaker 8 All right, they made their first.

Speaker 1 Oh, his knee? That didn't look like it was that bad.

Speaker 1 Oh, and it was Mike Conley. Oh.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 8 Is that a knee or like broken leg?

Speaker 8 What if he just has to poop?

Speaker 8 It's like the Paul Pierce all over again.

Speaker 1 He's got to finish this game.

Speaker 3 I think he'd stay in if they were not down 3-0.

Speaker 1 Is this LeBron? Oh.

Speaker 1 I don't know. This is very funny, though.

Speaker 1 To lose your coach to a knee injury right before a sweep. You know, hey.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's going to be up 3-0. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. It's not Frank Vogel.

Speaker 1 They got to show him again. I want to see him again.
He looks like Joe Prunty.

Speaker 8 I got to find out. We're Joe Prunty.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Do you think they've got reporters following this guy to the locker room?

Speaker 1 Oh, they have to.

Speaker 8 For X-rays? Yeah, they have to.

Speaker 1 They have to give us a report on this.

Speaker 1 Okay, I think that was everything from the draft. Yeah.
Oh, shout out to our guy, Tony Schuffler. Did you guys see that?

Speaker 8 No. He rocked.

Speaker 1 He got up, did a great speech, said, put Mike Shannon in the Hall of Fame, and they said, God bless Bo Nicks. He was doing the Broncos

Speaker 1 pick. And then he got Josh McDaniels trending.

Speaker 8 Which was great. That's awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So there was just a bunch of people being like,

Speaker 1 Tony Schuffler is one of my favorite draft picks. Like, what could have been if Josh McDaniels didn't trade him and

Speaker 8 Jay Cutler's? I love that. Yeah.
Good for Tony.

Speaker 1 It's getting a lot of hate on Josh McDaniels. All right.
Let's do Who's Back of the Week? Then we got two great interviews talking more draft with Peter Schrager, talking NBA with Alex Caruso.

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Speaker 1 All right, who's back of the week? Let's save

Speaker 1 Sons and Wolves for After Caruso before we do lottery balls. So we'll recap the Suns' debacle if they end up losing.
So if you want to listen to that, if you want to,

Speaker 1 all Wolves fans, don't get upset. We mentioned you.
We're going to mention you. We'll get to that after Caruso and Schraeger.
Hank, who's back of the week?

Speaker 3 My Who's Back of the Week is MLB Uniforms.

Speaker 1 I had that too.

Speaker 3 Nice. Congrats.

Speaker 3 There was a report that came out that basically said Nike fucked up the uniforms. We're working to fix them.
We're going to get get the bigger names on the back of the jerseys,

Speaker 3 and everything should be fixed at the latest at the start of the 2025 season.

Speaker 1 What? They also absolved

Speaker 3 Fanatics completely. I don't know if that was, you know,

Speaker 8 the fix was in. It's interesting, isn't it?

Speaker 3 But it made very clear that it was entirely a Nike issue and nothing to do with anyone else.

Speaker 8 Not a Fanatics problem at all.

Speaker 1 Just a weird

Speaker 8 just Nike. So yeah, they're returning to the larger lettering on the back of the jerseys.
They're fixing the mismatched gray tops and bottoms. Okay.

Speaker 8 And they're addressing Nike's propensity to collect sweat, meaning like

Speaker 8 the pooling of the sweat and also the see-throughness of the pants. See-throughness.

Speaker 1 You've got a problem when that has to be put into the press.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they should be less see-through in the pants area. The see-throughness.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Players should be able to slide.

Speaker 8 Yes, without the uniform busting their ass open. Yeah.
I'm sad.

Speaker 8 I mean, I'm glad that we get to watch an entire more season of baseball with having this be like a weird thing that we get to all pay attention to. Yeah, that'll make fun.

Speaker 5 That would make it fun.

Speaker 8 I like that. I like that.
But yeah, they're trying to fix it. Now, I read one thing that said that the guys in the MLBPA might be investors in Fanatics.
Oh.

Speaker 8 And so maybe that was why people are pointing at Nike for being the problem, not Fanatics.

Speaker 3 I think it's just a weird coincidence.

Speaker 8 Probably just one of those weird coincidences, yeah. So Nike.

Speaker 1 So it was Nike.

Speaker 3 I said Nike was trying to innovate something that didn't need to be innovated.

Speaker 8 Which is fair.

Speaker 10 Sometimes you got to take a shot, right?

Speaker 1 Take a chance. No,

Speaker 1 it's a debacle by Fnatics and Nike.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, that's what Nike.

Speaker 1 That's what Nike is.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, yeah, just Nike. Like, that's basically what businesses do.
They innovate stuff, and they're like, you need this now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Apple does that all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, aren't you bored with the thing that's been working all these years? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Hey, you know your phone? Don't you need a new one? Yeah. Well, no, not really.

Speaker 1 Don't you need another camera on your phone?

Speaker 8 Well, it's too bad your battery sucks now and you have to get a new one yeah ever thought uh hey if i'm standing a mile away from a mountaintop do you want to zoom in and be able to see a flower on that mountaintop you find yourself in this position a lot you definitely need one hey aren't you sick of having a phone an ipad a computer don't you want a giant huge phone that wraps around your eyes yeah and doesn't

Speaker 1 allow you to watch porn on it yeah wouldn't that be good yeah that would be good yeah yeah don't sign me up yeah aren't you sick of talking to people and going outside? Yeah. Oh, we have your escape.

Speaker 8 Yeah, here you go. You love this now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hey, remember that truck you had? What if we just made it a big cube and called it a cyber truck? Yeah.

Speaker 8 What if we fixed it? Aren't you sick of your brain having its own thoughts? Wouldn't you rather just have a chip in there that does all your thoughts for you? Yeah. Wouldn't that be better?

Speaker 8 That would be better.

Speaker 1 By the way, I have a hack. I shouldn't say it because it's gonna.

Speaker 1 If you're ever in traffic and you're trying to merge into a lane you shouldn't be merging into,

Speaker 1 wait for a Tesla. They automatically have to stop.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
The cars are the sensors.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't say that because, well, actually, I don't have a Tesla, so I don't give a fuck. But yeah, little hack for people out there.

Speaker 10 It's good. Pretty good, right?

Speaker 8 Unless it's the one time where it doesn't stop. Then you're fucked.

Speaker 1 But those cars will stop and you're good to go when you're the asshole who has to merge. It's smart.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 My who's back of the week was going to be old uniforms, but Hank took it, so I'm going to say my who's back of the week is Kony. You guys remember Kony?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was what that was a Billy football play.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that was a Billy football play in Uganda.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was their goal-line package.

Speaker 8 And then their whole team was like, we don't say that word. Yeah.
Please stop saying that word. And Billy kept looking around, like, Coney?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Coney? Why are they all looking at me weird to say Coney? So apparently, Russian mercenaries, they're a good group.

Speaker 8 They're in hot pursuit of the notorious warlord Joseph Kony after a bloody near capture in a remote corner of the Central African Republic earlier this month. Sources tell tell Rolling Stone magazine.

Speaker 8 So Coney might be on, he might be like dead.

Speaker 8 Maybe we did it. Oh, shit.
All those YouTube clicks that we did back in 2012

Speaker 8 finally paid off. He's finally gone? He's finally gone.
But also, according to Billy, something in Uganda that people just say all the time is they call each other Kony.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 if there's a politician that you don't like, you'll be like, that guy is basically Coney.

Speaker 8 Or he'll be like, I think he is Cony. And then it's like a slur you could put on somebody.
God. So the Kony accusations are running wild in Uganda.

Speaker 8 Who knows if this is the actual Cony or if it's just some guy that got accused of being Cony?

Speaker 8 Because they never caught Coney, so Coney could be anybody. Yeah.
Coney could be Hank.

Speaker 1 Coney could be Hank. He's our Cony.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bring back Cocky Hank. No.
You're up 2-1 and 3-1.

Speaker 3 Job's not finished.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck? You're a pussy. You're a pussy.
You are a pussy. That's fine.

Speaker 3 I I mean, I can't exist on the show. It's literally a breathe one way, breathe the other way.

Speaker 1 No. Say this.
Speak confidence. Say that.
Say that.

Speaker 10 Go back to saying this.

Speaker 10 Speak, don't speak. Don't speak.

Speaker 1 We always want you to speak. Speak.
We always want you to speak. Read, speak, be.

Speaker 8 We want all that. You did quit speaking when your teams were losing.

Speaker 5 That's just like a gaslighting thing you guys say.

Speaker 1 No, it's very true. There's a lot of evidence.

Speaker 2 I would love a supercut of Hank saying gaslighting.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, he can't speak.
Yeah, yeah. So now you're gaslighting him into not speaking again.

Speaker 3 Well, like, I mean, Max, like, your example with PFT at the bar, like, they just say these things that you do at the bar, and I was there. That didn't happen.

Speaker 2 What PFT said.

Speaker 8 Correct. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, but the thing is, I was joking about that.

Speaker 1 I've never gaslighted you about something you said at a bar.

Speaker 3 I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 I haven't.

Speaker 2 I want to say I agree, but I feel like I'm bringing this up because

Speaker 8 I'm good. Max has said a lot of things in a lot of bars.
That's true.

Speaker 1 One thing about Max, he'll beat the fuck out of Hank.

Speaker 1 I never said that. It's a fact.

Speaker 1 I never said that. Yeah, you said that.
You said that a lot.

Speaker 3 That wasn't at a bar, to be fair.

Speaker 1 That was just existing out loud.

Speaker 8 Remember when you kept insisting to the mentalists that Shane Victorino was your favorite player? Yeah,

Speaker 1 let's talk about this. Come on.
Come on. The guy was like.
How did we leave this game? It was so funny. Look back to Hank.
Let me talk to Hank.

Speaker 8 This poor mentalist was brought around a bar at a Super Bowl party, party, just doing party tricks for the people.

Speaker 8 He was just trying to wow people, make the time pass.

Speaker 8 And then he came up to us and he was like, who's your favorite baseball player of all time to Jake?

Speaker 8 And then Jake was like thinking to himself, he's like, oh, I think I'm going to tell him Derek Cheater. I love Derek Cheater.
Max is like, no, ask me. Ask me.
My favorite player is Shane Victorino.

Speaker 8 And the guy was like, well, you ruined the trick. You're not supposed to say that out loud.
He's like, no, but Shane Victorino fucking rocks.

Speaker 1 By the way, Draymond Green said, you got to stay in the game, coach. It's 140 left.
Wish him well, though. Wish him well, though.
Called him a a pussy.

Speaker 8 Wish him well, though. Called him a pussy.

Speaker 1 All right, my who's back is Kentucky Derby. It is Kentucky Derby week.
Very excited for that. We have Randy Moss coming on on Friday.

Speaker 1 We have JJ Reddick on Wednesday, but PFDI will be attending your Kentucky Derby party.

Speaker 8 Dude, this party's gotten so much buzz since Friday when this episode came out. I'm turning people away now.
Woo! House is going to be full. That's crazy.
I had to go to Costco. Went to Costco.

Speaker 8 Dude, Costco Rocks.

Speaker 8 Yeah, this is our second consecutive part of my take. We'll do an impromptu Costco ad.
Went to Costco today, loaded up on hot dogs. You can buy so many things at Costco.
It's insane.

Speaker 1 I had a moment this weekend on Saturday, I was out with

Speaker 1 two of my kids, and my wife, and I was just like, she's like, where should we go for lunch? I was like, why don't we go to Costco? She's like, for lunch? And I was like, yeah.

Speaker 8 Hot dog, the giant slice of pizza.

Speaker 1 And then I got turned down. But the idea.

Speaker 1 Next week, we'll be doing that when I just, I'll just take the kids. We'll go on a sneak Costco run.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I've officially reached the point in life where I go to Costco and I'm pumped.

Speaker 1 Oh, looking around. Every time.

Speaker 8 There's a bunch of dads in there doing their shopping.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's a good time.

Speaker 8 You give each other the Costco old man wave.

Speaker 1 Not only that, but I love that they check the receipt because then I'm always just like, yeah, I didn't rob. Yeah.
Like, check it out, bro. It's valid.
I have, yeah, look at it.

Speaker 1 I got 300 mini cupcakes. Yep.
75 rolls of toilet paper. and 16 gallons of laundry detergent.
I didn't rob.

Speaker 8 That's the cycle of life.

Speaker 1 That's all you you need.

Speaker 8 One of my favorite things to do is walk into a Costco and act like I'm sneaking in. And then the person's like, excuse me, sir, sir, sir.
And then think that they're catching you sneaking in.

Speaker 8 And then you turn around and you're like, boom, Costco. Executive card.
Yeah, have it.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got Peter Schrager.
We've got Alex Crusoe.

Speaker 1 And then on the other side of the interviews, we will recap the Suns have officially been swept in a sad, sad state of affairs for the Phoenix Suns organization.

Speaker 1 And we'll give a lot of credit to the Wolves. So, here he is, Peter Schrager.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Peter Schrager.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend. It is Peter Schrager.
He's fresh off his trip to Detroit. The NFL draft 2024 is in the books.
Schrags, you can find him on Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 Good morning football.

Speaker 1 Shrags, let's start with this because we've got a lot of questions about winners, losers, stories you heard, but the dust is settled. You are the master of some spin zones.

Speaker 1 Spin zone the Falcons for us. Yep.

Speaker 12 Let's go. Let's step right into my office.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 12 Well, it's funny because it's like part of me is, all right, have a contrarian take, so I want to defend it. And then part of me is like, I've got to carry the water for friends in Atlanta.

Speaker 12 So let's just do what I do.

Speaker 12 The argument there right now

Speaker 12 is that there's no worse place to be in the NFL than quarterback purgatory. And there's no worse place to be than nine and eight, eight and nine.

Speaker 12 10 and seven, seven and ten. And there's a lot of teams in the league that live in that area.

Speaker 12 And why that area is so bad is you're just good enough to be in playoff contention every year, but you're not good enough to actually win the thing. And you're not bad enough to get a draft pick.

Speaker 12 Now, this is very convoluted thinking if you're considering, well, the goal is to win the Super Bowl. This move to them ensures that no matter what happens in the next two to three years,

Speaker 12 three to five years, if it all goes well for both sides, they will not be in quarterback purgatory. They viewed Michael Pennix as a top 10 prospect in this draft.

Speaker 12 They themselves do not see them being in the top 10 again now that they have Kirk Cousins. So the argument is best player on the board, yes.

Speaker 12 And then $180 million, $100 million guaranteed. Kirk's our starter.
We fully intend for Kirk to be our starter.

Speaker 12 But if and when that time comes, because he's 36 coming off in Achilles, we have our guy guy, and God forbid something happens to him, because yes, quarterbacks do get injured in the league.

Speaker 12 This season is not down the drains.

Speaker 12 I think they were really scarred by the Desmond Ritter, Taylor Heineke,

Speaker 12 you name whoever else has started from Mariota, that they don't want to be in that place again. And I'll say it because I think it is kind of linked together here.

Speaker 12 This is the same franchise that looked Bill Belichick in the eyes, had two interviews with him and said, nope, we're good. Like they're on a limb.

Speaker 12 They're beating to the beat of their own drummer right here. And in this case, they don't think it's crazy that they took Michael Penix.

Speaker 12 If anything, they think more teams should because quarterback is the most valuable position in this league times 10.

Speaker 12 And now they have theirs for the future while also having their current one that they feel pretty good about. Even they backed it up with all the money they gave them.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 the more I thought about it, I still think it's crazy in the fact that they probably could have traded back and gotten more assets because the teams that were picking right after them, we saw, you know, Denver was in love with Bo Nicks.

Speaker 1 The Vikings were in love with J.J. McCarthy.
It felt like they could have probably moved around a little bit and faked some teams out and gotten some more draft capital.

Speaker 1 But the one thing you could say for the Falcons is it was known as a weak draft for defense. There wasn't a defensive player taken to the 15th pick.
And what were the Falcons going to do?

Speaker 1 I think the best player available was Roma Dunze, who went to the Bears.

Speaker 1 But if they take another wide receiver, they get killed for that because that would have been four years in a row that they took a running back, wide receiver, tight end.

Speaker 1 So I guess, listen, they have a chance to be right. And right now, they're the laughingstock.
But if it works out,

Speaker 1 they'll be geniuses for it.

Speaker 12 The stat I got in the modern draft era, which is 1966, they're the first team ever to draft four skill position players on offense with top eight picks four years in a row.

Speaker 1 That's wow.

Speaker 12 You do Pitts, you do London, you do Bichon, and now you do Panix.

Speaker 12 I would add one more thing. Like when you're talking about that purgatory and they didn't name names or name teams to me, but they were just saying in general, like, that's not a place you want to be.

Speaker 12 We don't expect to be in the top 10 anytime soon. Like we think we're going to contend, especially in the NFC South with Cousin.

Speaker 12 But I started thinking, like, well, who would they be a friend? And you start thinking, you're like, all right, like, look at Pittsburgh the last decade.

Speaker 12 Look at Denver the last decade none of these teams have first overall picks but they are in that 10 to 20 range that you know and it's all right the titans and it's like all right well how are you getting a quarterback well in this case they got theirs now

Speaker 12 someone said to me you know it's like jordan love and we've all debunked that i the analogy to me is imagine the jets signed aaron rodgers last year and did all that hoopla and then drafted a quarterback in the top 10 like that's how this feels it's not jordan love and aaron rodgers it's the jets kind signing aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 12 Cousins, that relationship was in a great place. I think Cousins threw out a first pitch to a Braves game a couple of days ago.

Speaker 12 I think, and I have to double check this, I think he was part of like the Falcons draft festivities. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Old Mike Glennon. Yeah.
So

Speaker 8 I was going to ask you about Kirk. Have you checked in on him? Is he okay?

Speaker 1 We have a little bit of a matter of

Speaker 12 every other media member apparently has had a heart-to-heart with him the day of the amount of people that tweets like Kirk is

Speaker 12 surprised. There's like 18 different versions of it.
I haven't reached out. And I know his agent, Mike McCartney, very well, but I haven't spoken to him either.

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, apparently he didn't know that was going to happen. But I've told this story and I'll tell it one more time.

Speaker 12 Peyton was with the Saints and they had the 11th pick in the draft in 2018 or 2017, sorry. And they wanted Mahomes.
Like Mahomes number one in their board. And they hadn't told Breeze.

Speaker 12 They had no intention of telling Breeze. But if Mahomes somehow fell to 11, they were taking a quarterback.

Speaker 12 And then Drew Breeze, out of nowhere, has never done this in his career, called up Sean Payton. They're like best friends.
And it's like, I've got a couple of buddies in town.

Speaker 12 Is it cool if I bring them to the war room tonight for the draft?

Speaker 12 And so then Sean has to decide, like, what do I do here? And he tells the story. I don't know if he's ever told it publicly, but it's great.
And he's like, so right then and there, I'm like, sure.

Speaker 12 And then I pulled Drew aside. I'm like, there's a chance.
There's this kid from Texas Tech we really like.

Speaker 12 If there's a chance, he might take him. And as picks go by, one by one by one, like he, he sits Drew down like seventh pick overall.

Speaker 12 And he says to Drew, he's like, we're going to take the Texas Tech quarterback.

Speaker 12 And to Drew Breeze's credit, because the story is much better if Drew Brees takes out like a two by four and breaks it over Peyton said. He was just like, got to do what you got to do.

Speaker 12 And this is the height of Drew Breeze. Like, I think the next year they went to the NFC championship game and Breeze is like, you got to do what you got to do for the future.
I totally get it.

Speaker 12 Like, Breeze was cool about it. And then Andy Reed trades up one pick before them, gets Mahomes.
They take Marshawn Lattimore and Breeze was there to watch it all.

Speaker 12 But like, it's never a comfortable conversation.

Speaker 12 And if you don't take the guy, you don't ever want to even like let the other quarterback know that because the alternative is what happened to Rogers, where he was, I think, down in Peru or Chile when it happened and was completely blindsided and was, you know, upset by it.

Speaker 12 But cousins,

Speaker 12 I think he left Minnesota because he wanted that commitment, right?

Speaker 12 And these guys gave him the commitment, but here comes Michael Pennix, who Chris Sims made a great point.

Speaker 12 Come training camp. Cousins is awesome, obviously.
Cousins is still rehabbing. Like, no one throws a prettier football, maybe anywhere in the league or in college than Michael Penix.

Speaker 12 I was at the combine, like two feet behind him. It was like watching Mozart compose music, or it was like watching Van Gogh.

Speaker 12 It was just like this lefty, big release with this like tight spiral throws just bullets, but they're like so beautiful.

Speaker 12 And it's once these players start catching passes from Pennex and Cousins is on the side, like it, it's going to be something. Yeah, it's going to be awful.

Speaker 8 I mean, is there anything at all to him being a lefty quarterback where it's like, okay, well, maybe some teams would prefer not to have a left-handed quarterback because it does look different for the wide receivers.

Speaker 8 Like, is that something that people do take into account? Because watching lefties on TV, I'm like, that person's a witch.

Speaker 1 It looks wrong.

Speaker 12 It looks weird. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Is that you're saying is that why like some people were down on Pennex?

Speaker 12 I think the more the medicals, but the Falcons were super high on him.

Speaker 12 And I think if the Vikings, just based on my intel, if the Vikings didn't get McCarthy, they were very comfortable taking Pennex at 11. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I think the Broncos, if Nick's, I think the Broncos had Nicks over Pennex, but who knows if that was a smokescreen. I think if he was there at 12.
So like, it was more the team than where he went.

Speaker 12 you know he goes eighth overall to another team we're like all right it's a little early than we thought but the fact that they just signed cousins i i was how'd you guys think it, where'd you, how'd you find it out?

Speaker 12 Like, I, I had this whole like flea online, and then I did it on Good Morning Football on Thursday where I'm like, please don't tip picks.

Speaker 12 Like, just don't, or if you do, if you do tip picks, like, if you're a viewer at home, like, try to lay off like Twitter, because there will be something cool and shocking and different that happens tonight.

Speaker 12 You don't want to find it out from a random tweet from like Jordan. and Schultz, you know, Shams Charney,

Speaker 12 because what happens is, and I'll give you the behind the curtain, either A, A, good reporting, someone from the team submits the card and there's someone in the room who can tweet a report, text a reporter, and be like, dude, we're taking Penix.

Speaker 12 And then that reporter, good for them, they can go public with it. I don't know if that's how the fan wants it, but that's fair.
Or maybe more dubious is

Speaker 12 at the NFL teams, all 32 of them, when another team submits their pick, where it says the pick is in on the board, where it's like,

Speaker 12 all 32 teams get that before it's announced on television. So

Speaker 12 so all it takes is one person who has a source at any of the teams to say, oh, the Falcons just took panics. And then they run to Twitter.

Speaker 12 Like, did you find out from a tweet or did you guys find out like you did?

Speaker 8 Yeah. So every year I have a ritual.
And I like Albert Breer. He's been on the show before.
I think when he got hacked, right? We had him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good guy. Good reporter.
Good guy. Very good.

Speaker 8 Every year I mute him on draft night because

Speaker 8 he tweets out every single pick. And I have, and then I forget for about, I don't know, usually like two or three weeks that I have him muted.

Speaker 12 Come back at OTA.

Speaker 8 Shit, I got to bring Halbert back in the timeline. But yeah, I found out from one of his tweets, and I was sitting in our war room here at Barstool, and my jaw was just on the floor for like a minute.

Speaker 8 I couldn't believe it. Yeah.

Speaker 8 It's not that he's a bad player.

Speaker 8 And if you think that if you have him graded as a top 10 worthy pick in terms of a quarterback, then yeah, I guess it could make sense and it might pan out for him the long term.

Speaker 8 But at the time, I couldn't believe it because it didn't make sense for about 10 different reasons.

Speaker 12 Yeah. And the salary cap hit on Cousins is so much.
And now you're adding another quarterback to the fold.

Speaker 12 Dan, what about you? Same thing.

Speaker 1 I found out from, we were doing no spoilers in our war room. The only one I spoiled was I wanted to know the Bears' ninth pick before anyone else, so no one could spoil it.

Speaker 1 And I had the same reaction. I was like, what the fuck? Like, and I get it.
Kirk Cousins is in,

Speaker 1 he's on a two-year deal. Everyone says four.
It's a two-year deal. So, and I get it.
I understand. Like,

Speaker 1 you don't want to be in a spot where you need a quarterback.

Speaker 1 You want to be, you know, you have your next guy already, and Kirk Cousins isn't young, but it still was just shocking to me just because I think they could have traded and gotten, I think they could have gotten him somewhere later and gotten more draft capital.

Speaker 1 And like, that's to me,

Speaker 1 the winners and losers of the drafts are the guys who are able to maneuver it and get who they want, but also get the most out of it.

Speaker 1 Like, even the Bears, like the story came out that I think it was Ian Cunningham was holding Ryan Poles back because he wanted to trade up to get Roma Dunze.

Speaker 1 So if he trades up to get Roma Dunze, yeah, we still have Roma Dunce, but he just gives away picks next year.

Speaker 1 That would be a mistake. Instead, they were patient.
They got the player they wanted. So it's like those little maneuvers are the winning and losing drafts.

Speaker 1 And I think the Falcons could have maneuvered better. That's all.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 12 Peyton was taking

Speaker 12 great pride in that. He got the...

Speaker 12 Jets to the Vikings to trade up with the Jets. I think he was bragging about it.

Speaker 12 But that's the game of chicken. So the Vikings, through fear that the

Speaker 12 Broncos were going to jump them, made a trade with the Jets to go up just one pick. And then they took care of it at 10 and just got McCarthy there.

Speaker 12 When, you know, if they had stayed, he's probably there anyway. The Jets, you know, and maybe Sean Payton wasn't going to be able to pull that trade off, but you're right.

Speaker 12 And that's what these guys get such a high on, too. Like, that's the best stories of what if we had made that trade or what if we moved back or what if we stayed put and did this.

Speaker 12 You know, everyone thought the Jets were taking Brock Bowers. And this year, they actually, there were no leaks out of the building.
They take Olu out of,

Speaker 12 you know, out of Penn State. Broncos take the quarterback.

Speaker 12 And then, you know, talking to the Raiders guys, who knows if they would have taken Pennix if he was on the board, but they did not think in a million years Brock Bowers was going to be sitting there at 13.

Speaker 12 They just took Michael Mayer last year. In their case, they're like, he's one of the cleanest prospects in this entire draft.
We'll find a way to use him. We need offense everywhere.

Speaker 12 So then Brock Bowers, who I can promise you in a million different mock drafts, not one of them had Brock Bowers going to the Raiders, but that's the beauty of the draft. Yeah.

Speaker 8 It is beautiful. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Who out there and talking to everyone? I know everyone loves their draft.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everyone gets an A-plus in their own room, but who do you think did the best maneuvering the board, getting, you know, filling holes?

Speaker 1 And you walked away being like, I think that team is just way better than they were walking into Thursday night.

Speaker 12 There's one that's going to be pandering to one of you that I can talk about. And then there's another one that I think is, there's, there's no fans in that room right now.

Speaker 12 But I think Washington had a really, really good draft. Nine different picks, nine different positions, got a bunch of players who can play right away.

Speaker 12 And I think Jaden Daniels is the perfect mix of has a ton of experience. He's 23 and then he's still electric.

Speaker 12 And I think, I think what they did around him with the tight end Senate and then, of course, getting the offensive lineman Coleman, but I like, I love the fact that they got Johnny Newton in the second round, like Adam Peters for a first year GM, like that was awesome.

Speaker 12 And then I think the Arizona Cardinals who had so many picks.

Speaker 12 they they hit a home run now they're not a sexy team i couldn't tell you you know five guys that contributed on their roster last year but like you talk around the league everyone's like, you know, Arizona compiled a bunch of picks and they got a bunch of guys who are going to play right away.

Speaker 12 And then I really, I know there was only five picks, but I thought Chicago with what they did, I mean, you get Caleb and Adunze and then the kid from Duke, who everyone was really high on, or Yale, everyone was really high on.

Speaker 12 Like, that's a really good draft. That's three contributors that are going to play on a team that I think was a couple of games away from being a playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the draft was the first round for me because with only five picks, it definitely like were you hoping they would trade back from Adunze or were you? I was, I was cool with whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm in full trust Ryan Poles, everything he does.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's been, I think he, he actually, I'm working on a theory that he did the Chase Claypool deal on purpose so that everyone was like, this guy's dumb.

Speaker 1 And then every deal he's made since has been ingenious. So he basically.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He completely roped the league by being like, who would trade a second for Chase Claypool? What an idiot.
And then everything he's done since has been gold. By the way, when you just said

Speaker 1 you were going to pander to someone, Max started shaking his head because he thought you were going to talk about the Eagles. I'm happy you didn't.

Speaker 1 Because he, like, literally, it was one of those points.

Speaker 8 He home himself. Yeah.
He's talking about me.

Speaker 1 The Eagles had a great draft. Yeah, he like stood up and they're like, no, I'm actually talking about the guy behind you.

Speaker 1 So he was, yeah, he's very excited about his draft.

Speaker 8 I thought the Commanders trade with the Eagles in the second round was genius. We fleeced the Eagles.
They gave up so much to take Cooper DeGene when Kool-Aid McKinsery was still on the board.

Speaker 8 I love that pick. I love to see that happen in the division.
And then Adam Peters is, I think he's like the best player available God.

Speaker 8 So if you had asked me going to the draft what the commanders should be doing, I was saying like load up on the offensive line, get some big boys, have somebody protect Jaden.

Speaker 12 We got one lineman.

Speaker 8 We got one lineman in third round. But what he did, I thought, a really good job of is

Speaker 8 he realizes that the roster needs a ton of work. Right.
So we're not, we're not like an offensive lineman away from being a contender for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 8 So he just saw value getting great players, even if it was a position of strength, get good young players wherever you can. I thought he did an awesome job of that.

Speaker 8 But yeah, the icing on the cake for me was just fleecing Max in the second round. Just absolutely taking him to the woodshot.
Nine positions is awesome. Max wanted Cooper DeGene so bad.
Devastated.

Speaker 8 He wanted Cooper DeGene so bad.

Speaker 1 He was a bad after this pick.

Speaker 8 I wanted Cooper DeGene, and so I'm projecting on Max that we fleeced him.

Speaker 12 Everyone did.

Speaker 12 I've probably, I think the easiest way to get engagement online or to get like likes or retweets, I have posted Cooper DeGene basketball highlights like 11 times for like 11 different reasons why.

Speaker 12 And it's just, I just want like new followers. So maybe this will go viral if I do it at 8 8 o'clock p.m.
I'll just put out Cooper DeGene basketball highlights.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I said today, I posted that video and my tweet was,

Speaker 12 you know, because I'm 6'3 in person. I say whenever I, whenever an ex-player or current player or coach sees me in person and says, oh, shit, you must have hooped in high school, which I did.

Speaker 12 This is what I always hope they envisioned, me just like dunking in Iowa.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like, I like 6'3 in person.
You're just implying that you're like 5'10 on camera.

Speaker 1 6'3 in person. Yeah, what about you?

Speaker 12 I feel like you're a big guy, too. Do people always say, like, yo, you're taller than I expected?

Speaker 1 No, I think people know I'm tall, but yeah, I do, like, there is, I mean, we make fun of Florio. Like, Florio is actually not that short.
He's like 6'1, but he has short face. So, like, when you,

Speaker 1 he does. Yeah, he's got short face.

Speaker 8 He's got short vibe to him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got short energy. So, like, when I could understand people being like, oh, shit, Mike Florio, you're way taller than I thought.

Speaker 1 I always thought you wore your 6'3 correctly. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I'm going to start saying 5'9 in person. Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's a powerful line.

Speaker 1 Shriggs, I got a question for you about your good friend Sean McVay. He made his first first-round selection ever as a head coach.

Speaker 1 In that war room, was there any chance that they were going to trade? Was he like, no, guys, I really don't want to do this?

Speaker 1 Like, what if, what if, uh, what if we had to pick up their fifth-year option? Like, that would suck.

Speaker 12 He very much, very much was in the mode of trade down. Like, they get such a kick out of the trade down.

Speaker 12 And it's not just him, it's all of them. Like, they think it's the coolest thing that, like, they get guys on day three that all end up being like pro bowlers and all things.

Speaker 12 I'll tell you, they had, I think I could say this.

Speaker 12 They had

Speaker 12 three guys on their board. I forget who the other defensive player was that they were interested in.
And the offensive player was Bowers.

Speaker 12 And if it wasn't any of those three guys verse whoever might have been Latu, might have been Murphy. I forget who it was.

Speaker 12 It might have been Peyton or Turner, Dallas Turner. But it was Bowers on offense and it was two defensive guys.
And they had done a million simulations.

Speaker 12 And like Sean was geeking out on this the whole last 48 hours, like call, like texting me, like,

Speaker 12 you know, all these scenarios. And their whole front office is great.
And they, they all like enjoy this like we do. They're almost like fans

Speaker 12 in a lot of ways. And Bowers would have been the one, like, if they had moved up, it was going to be, but they didn't.
They just were so happy. And then verse fell to them.

Speaker 12 And then they get verse's teammate, which was one of the cooler viral videos, which I'm sure there needs to be like a behind the scenes story on how the hell they made that happen that Verse was somehow there to get on the Zoom call.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was cool. It was great.
Yeah. I love all those videos.

Speaker 8 Yeah. I watch it.
Doesn't matter what team it is, what player it is. I always like to hear it.

Speaker 12 Isn't it funny that some of them don't land? Like, it's just a player being like, hey, coach. Yeah.
And a coach being like, all right. And then like the team still posts it out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
The owners on the phone.

Speaker 8 Like, congratulations. We're bringing in.
Yes, sir. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, they, the bears.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the bears posted the one with Caleb Williams, and it was kind of awkward because he had known he was going to be a bear for he was wearing a shirt underneath his suit that said Chicago on it.

Speaker 1 So it's like Ryan Pole is talking to him, and Cale Williams is like, okay, sounds good. Like, we've all is a formality.
He's like, we don't have to release that.

Speaker 1 Like, it looked like he wasn't enthused, but he clearly had been enthused for the last two months.

Speaker 12 He's like, we've got to wait until there's five minutes left. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 All right. The NFL.
Yeah. I got a question.

Speaker 8 I got a question for you, though, about the logistics of the broadcast and the draft itself.

Speaker 8 Why is it that we have to wait for the full allotted amount of time for the first overall pick to be announced in any round?

Speaker 8 Great question. Why can't Goodell say, like, I'm opening up the draft? He gets booed, and then he's like, no, here's a little kid that's on stage with me.
Don't boo me. I've got this kid next to me.

Speaker 8 I declare the draft open. And then, boom, immediately Bears hand in their pick.
And Goodell says, okay, the Bears have taken Caleb. Like, they've had, what, four months? They've had four months

Speaker 12 to do this? Totally.

Speaker 12 I'm with you. I think it's a TV show in a lot of ways, and they want to build some sort of suspense.
And so they go that way. I mean, look, I laughed last year.

Speaker 12 I was in Kansas City, and I'm doing doing the draft and we're sitting there and with a straight face, they're singing national anthem.

Speaker 12 There was a, you know, flyover of the, you know, what are they called? The Blue Angels or whatever.

Speaker 1 They fly over.

Speaker 12 Yeah. And no, no one's.
And I'm like.

Speaker 12 They're handing names in on a card and announcing that later.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 National anthem. Like, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 12 This is amazing. So I think it's all part of the show.

Speaker 12 But this year, Goodell had, what do you have? He had kids and the flag football, but he also had the, he had Eminem, he had Jared Goff, he had Amon Ra.

Speaker 12 Then he finally gets back and they still boot him.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, they had the A-10 Warthogs buzzing the tower going over top is like the most American thing ever for the NFL draft. Yeah, for some reason.

Speaker 1 It's the best. It's the best.

Speaker 8 And then the fans that are all dressed up that are like in the front rows, wearing the big chains, faces painted.

Speaker 8 And then they hear a guy in the second round and it takes them like my favorite moment is like when they don't immediately know who it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they're like, oh, that, oh, yeah, yeah, I like that guy. Yeah.
Yeah. Good pick.

Speaker 12 The Jets took Olu and Kyle Brandt was in the pit, like doing all the interviews. And we were laughing.

Speaker 12 And he asked me, he's like, what do you think the reaction was when they took an offensive tackle over at tight end? I'm like, I'll tell you exactly. I'm like, first of all, where's the fan from?

Speaker 12 He's like, Long Island. I'm like, perfect.
Here's the reaction. The initial thing is surrender Cobra.
They passed on Bowers and then one second break and then smart pick.

Speaker 9 Smart pick.

Speaker 1 You gotta, yeah, you build. Gotta protect Rogers from the inside out.

Speaker 12 Yeah, real.

Speaker 1 They all become Bill Parcels in that moment. All right, so I know everyone loves their draft.
Was there anyone that you were like, that didn't really make sense?

Speaker 1 Or a draft where you're like, hey, they probably missed on, they didn't maybe fill all the holes they had going into the draft.

Speaker 12 I have so many thoughts. Like, it's hard because I truly am telling you that teams have different.

Speaker 12 Like, I had a team tell me that Latu, just because of the medical stuff, like, wasn't a first day pick for them.

Speaker 12 Like, and so then if the Colts take him 15, the Colts are doing flips that they got their number one defensive player in the draft, a pass rusher they never thought would be there at 15, but another team didn't even have him at all, like viewed that way because of other reasons, you know, right.

Speaker 12 So the one team that like

Speaker 12 just because of the whole offseason being so curious has been the Cowboys where Jerry says all in and then Guyton has not played a ton. It is not like this polished player.
They traded back.

Speaker 12 They get more draft capital and they end up picking an offensive lineman who, sure, might play, but like Rico Dowdles, their number one running back right now.

Speaker 12 They didn't sign any real free agents, and you know, they've got Dak and CeeDee Lamb's contract looming.

Speaker 12 So, like, to me, the Cowboys, when you say you're all in, and I know we shouldn't make too much out of an owner saying whatever, but like, there's a thousand people working for that team that are like, okay, well, he said that, but we're doing the best.

Speaker 12 What does that mean if you're drafted, if you're trading back and you're drafting Tyler Guyton, who might end up being great, but all in how for 2024 or all in for what?

Speaker 1 You know, all in my ass.

Speaker 8 You're saying all in my ass. You're doing the skip payloads.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 There's a comma, though, right?

Speaker 8 Yeah, there's a comma.

Speaker 1 There's a comma. It was a comma.

Speaker 8 So, yeah, what about, I guess it's, it might be tough for you to say which team you think had the worst draft.

Speaker 12 I know you're, you're close with a lot of front offices, a lot of coaches, but no, it's more that I find it annoying when it's like draft grades and no one's brave enough to give anything lower than a B minus and no one's bold enough to give anything higher than an A minus.

Speaker 12 So like, to me, you know, who had a bad draft?

Speaker 12 We'll look back in a couple of years. We'll know who had good drafts and bad drafts.

Speaker 1 I looked at Mel's. He gave like 15 B's.
A lot of B's.

Speaker 1 Everyone gets too many B's. Everyone gets Bams.

Speaker 1 Ravens get an A.

Speaker 12 Yes, Ravens got an A. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but what would you say is the team that

Speaker 8 you've heard from other teams around the league where they're like, I don't understand what this team was doing?

Speaker 12 I'll tell you a team that, and I, it was the Eagles last year that I got a lot of heat for in Philly because I said on the draft, I'm on the broadcast day three, and I love it. It's my favorite day.

Speaker 12 day and i said

Speaker 12 a few teams around the league now all right slow down everyone on tv just crowning the eagles because they did the jalen carter the nolan smith they traded for deandre swift and it was like literally it was a three hour oh my god the eagles they went to the super bowl last year and they could do no wrong and i think other teams are like guys there's 31 other teams on the broadcast why don't you talk about someone else i'm like all right fair the team this year that i got from a couple teams that they were like okay some curious picks but maybe they know better than we do and one of the lines was

Speaker 12 you know you guys on nfl network sure do seem to be excited to crown them was the detroit lions this year um

Speaker 12 they traded a future third round pick for an offensive lineman um out of british columbia that they took on day three who might be great might not be great whatever but that's one of those where you're kind of feeling like what's it a heat check you're kind of feeling yourself a little bit their draft last year was so good when they got laporta and gibbs and branch and even jack campbell who might not have had the best season, but when you draft an inside linebacker at 18th overall, that's you telling the rest of the league, like, we don't really care about how you rank your board.

Speaker 12 We do our thing. They did that.
And then they traded up again in the fourth round.

Speaker 12 And they took a player that played safety and running back out of Utah and is kind of a hybrid, but like they traded up.

Speaker 12 Like that's the kind of stuff when you're, you're like, all right, you know what? We're just going to go for it. We're going to do it our way.

Speaker 12 And, you know, how the Lions are such like a vibe right now. And they're all wearing the Dan Campbell jerseys.

Speaker 12 That's one of those where the Lions are feeling themselves a little bit. They're like, we're right there.
We're going to take some bold picks. We're going to make some bold moves.

Speaker 12 And the rest of the league, they can bitch and whine and moan and make their comments. But like, we believe what we've built in this building because we've done it.
We've built it from the ground up.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 1 we have a heat check.

Speaker 12 Yeah. They were feeling themselves this draft quite a bit.

Speaker 8 Yeah. So important question.
How is Goodell doing? I know he got his back blown out a couple months ago, right? And he got hugged pretty hard up on on stage.

Speaker 8 Did he tell, well, like, was there a word that went out to some of the guys that were in the green room? Like, don't hug me. My back got blown out.

Speaker 12 I think he had back. He had an operation done, I think.
And then Mims, the big kid, or was it Latham? It was Latham from the Titans, just came right in and just jacked him up.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 12 I saw no pain. wincing.
He was walking around night two. So I think he's fine.
But you have to wonder if the kids knew that in that moment, they're like, you know what? Screw it.

Speaker 12 I've been watching this on TV for 20 years. I'm hoisting that guy up.
Like, I'm going for it. I'm doing it anyway.
He can deal with it.

Speaker 12 But yeah, I think he's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I have a couple of last questions.
The first one is the Spencer Rattler story.

Speaker 1 That was crazy that teams were like, yeah, we didn't like how he came across as a high schooler in a Netflix show or I don't even think it might have been just a YouTube show.

Speaker 1 That's nuts. Like, everyone's a shithead when they're 17 years old.
Like, teams were actually judging him that way and being like, everything was done since.

Speaker 12 Were you aware of this show before?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, we knew about this show.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Spencer Rattler, like, when he, when he got to college, he was very hyped up at Oklahoma because he was the guy that everyone hated from QB1. Yeah, he was kind of the heel.

Speaker 8 He came across like in that show, definitely like he had a sense of entitlement. But again, he's a high school kid

Speaker 8 that has been like, his life has been laser focused at being cool.

Speaker 12 Ian's report because we tossed him. Okay, so first of all, he's a day three quarterback.

Speaker 12 I, I, I've said this before, like, I, I don't want to ever criticize a kid or anything, but when you watch the draft on NFL Network and on ESPN, if there's anything I want to say, it's every player when they're taken.

Speaker 12 A lot of times it's like, oh, this kid's amazing. Everything's an all-American.
Like, there's no.

Speaker 12 So, Spencer Rattler, when all the six quarterbacks go, we're like, who's the next quarterback? And all of a sudden, it becomes the focal point. And it's like, could he go early second?

Speaker 12 Is he going to, he was a day three quarterback in September. He was a day three quarterback in October.
He was a a day three quarterback in February.

Speaker 12 And he's a day three quarterback in March, probably. And that's nothing against him.

Speaker 12 But when you're now the focal point, because you're the last great quarterback or the last quarterback everyone knows, you're going to go there.

Speaker 12 So we're talking about Spencer Rattler nonstop on the broadcast. And

Speaker 12 it's actually becoming good theater because now it goes from fourth round to now early fifth round. And Ian comes into the broadcast and he had a whole report on Rattler.

Speaker 12 And at the end of it, he said what he said, where he's like, you know, there hasn't been any conversations that I've had where that show on Rattler, where that show doesn't come up.

Speaker 12 And I'm not doubting Ian's report. Charles Davis then comes on and is like, yeah, but the last two years since he got to South Carolina, he's matured.
And that's when

Speaker 12 that part doesn't come out. Ian's report comes out.
And like,

Speaker 12 what's the term? Straw man? I don't even know what it is. Literally, any person who's met Spencer Rattler in our sports media world, like came like a rise to arms in defense of Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 12 And I'm like, all right, see this coming um I'll tell you honestly I didn't do a ton of work on Spencer Rattler I've heard things about his game and all that stuff but I was vaguely aware of the i i'll just say it's i didn't do enough stuff because i do the first round mock draft i didn't do enough on him to give you a personal take on whether or not that conversation piece came up but i would trust ian that if that showed up it was probably six in the conversation of here's about his throwing motion here's about his leadership here's about his and then oh yeah did you see the reality show i'm sure it did come up it also it it also is we get get those stories on day three where it's like a quarterback goes and it's almost like you need some nugget to remind everyone the draft's still going on.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh, yeah, Spencer Rattler just got drafted. And I was like, I looked and I was like, oh, shit, yeah, yeah, we are in the fifth round right now.
Fifth round. Yeah.

Speaker 12 There's a lot of that. I mean, like, we love it on our, you know, I'm doing rounds four, five, six, seven yesterday.

Speaker 12 And I'll tell you, like, when those international guys get taken, when that kid from the Lions goes, when a punter or kicker gets taken, it's like a jolt of enthusiasm. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Something different, right?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 12 They took the Iowa punter.

Speaker 1 I mean, that was, that might have been a heat check for Ryan Poles, too, where he's like the Australian guy the pick, and he's wearing a Jack Seaborn jersey.

Speaker 12 This guy's great.

Speaker 1 You take a punter when you're,

Speaker 1 like, it's the last piece

Speaker 1 for a Super Bowl roster. Well, I mean,

Speaker 8 he might be best player available.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 8 The Iowa punter. It's like that dude, he's got a lot of experience.

Speaker 1 There were like arguments, you know, like I actually kind of liked the pick just because because people were like, once this draft is not that deep because of NIL and a lot of guys staying and not, you know, underclass and everything.

Speaker 1 He's like, he was a really fucking good punter, and the Bears puncher sucked last year.

Speaker 12 Dan, a question for you. Is Caleb Williams having a heat check? Like, he did this thing where he's like, the Bears.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like,

Speaker 1 he does the hand claw. The hand claw? Yeah, which Bearman's been doing for a long time.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's doing a little heat check. Listen, people keep asking me, they're like, do you think he's too eccentric or goofy? It's like, if he's good, none of it will matter.

Speaker 1 It's basically comes in, because it's after, like, if he's not good,

Speaker 1 people will blame the nails. Yeah, they'll say that, like, oh, he's too crazy.
He's too unique.

Speaker 1 And if he's good, no one will give a fuck because no one in that locker room will care anything if he can ball, which I think he can.

Speaker 8 If he's good, it'll actually be the opposite. People will be like, this guy is so funny.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also think he is truly just the first, like, true Gen Z quarterback that we have.

Speaker 12 Like, I think there'll be more Caleb Williams coming up where it's like kids that are of this age that were born on the internet that are like unique personalities i just think it will happen more i think i think he's a a tremendous addition to the league and i'm not saying in any like in like any not in a oh he's gonna say ridiculous i think i think he's a real personality and he's unique like we haven't had this before and he did the thing with the bears then that whole

Speaker 12 controversy about the Pablo Torrey podcast where the gentleman, I think Fleming's his name came on and was like a GM compared him to Prince playing quarterback and everyone was outraged.

Speaker 1 It was a compliment. Yeah, we said that.

Speaker 12 I'm like, I actually 100% see a GM actually saying that because it is some of the things that he is different.

Speaker 12 It's refreshing to me. So then he also said, like, they did something.

Speaker 12 I was just reading the transcript, but he's like, I'm coming for 12. Like, I love it.
He's like, 12 is Brady.

Speaker 1 It's like, all right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 Let's go. And the Prince thing was so funny because it was so like front office GM guy where like he's like, oh, Prince is a weirdo.

Speaker 1 It's like, if if he's calling Bruce Springsteen, then we're talking. It's like, Prince is one of the greatest musicians of all time.

Speaker 1 If he has a career that is comparable to Prince in the NFL, he will win like multiple Super Bowls in office.

Speaker 1 A deep cut. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I'm so excited. I think he's going to be awesome.
I think he's a really good player. Like, all the other stuff doesn't, I'm just going to defend him.
I'm ready to defend him on every turn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I'm excited for it.

Speaker 8 The Prince thing is a head scratcher because anybody that's ever listened to Prince is like well Prince is Prince rocks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Prince is genius.

Speaker 8 He's looking at Prince as like the dad of a young kid that's starting to listen to music and the listen the music confuses him. Yeah.
It's like I don't I don't know about this Prince nonsense.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, like the parents and like the beastie boys like, you know, lights at the right to party video. Like,

Speaker 1 yeah. Like, Prince, shut that up.

Speaker 8 Get that out of here. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Shut that loud music. At the Combine, I spoke to him for a while and I'm friendly with Kingsbury.
And Kingsbury's like, no, he's a great dude. He's like, you'll love him.
Like, he's, he's cool.

Speaker 12 So talking to him and he showed up Friday night at the Combine and quarterbacks don't do anything till Saturday. And he'd already said he's not doing anything.
And everyone was up in arms over it.

Speaker 12 Showed up Friday night and he's wearing this big sweatshirt where it says like quarterback 11, whatever it was. And I go up and I sidle up next to him.
We're talking for a while.

Speaker 12 And I'm like, oh, you know, I'm friendly with Lincoln Riley, friendly with Cliff. Like, great to meet you.
All this stuff. Do my usual spiel.

Speaker 12 And I'm like, why are you here? He's like, oh, you know, I forgot the kid's name. I'm sure he was drafted.
He's like, this, this corner is competing tonight.

Speaker 12 i've i just i wanted to see him do his 40 and do all this stuff i've never seen a quarterback show up on friday night of the combine to watch a teammate work out it's the first time i've ever seen it and i don't think it's him acting he wasn't doing it for camera so i'm like all right and then i've spoken to a lot of the bears guys about him and

Speaker 12 he the word it's like he moves i forget the term they said like he moves quietly like he's got this great presence but he's not loud he's not he's just like he moves he's just cool he's he's assured with who he is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can feel the confidence, super comfortable, right?

Speaker 12 And just like so comfortable in his own skin.

Speaker 12 So you take that, and like teammates at you and Kingsbury will tell you, like, teammates at USC love the kid, yeah, love him, like, and that's from top to bottom. So that's all I need.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Prince or not.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 So, Pete, you've done a great job picking the Super Bowl. What, the last five years or is it four years? Three years.
Three years.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. It's getting smaller every week.

Speaker 12 Smaller. They caught me.
I came on your podcast, said five years.

Speaker 12 The truth of the matter is I've had the matchup in the matchup or the right winner the last five years, but we went back and checked the tape, and it's been, I had the Chiefs beating the Buccaneers in that COVID one, which kills me.

Speaker 12 And then there's another one where I had the other team winning, but I've had Rams, Chiefs, Chiefs the last two, three years. Let's just go with that.
That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 8 So I want to give you a chance to spread your wings a little bit. Give me a third-round pick that was taken in the draft that you think is going to be the guy next year.

Speaker 8 We're like, ah, how do they like the Puka Nakua?

Speaker 8 Who's the Puka Nakua of this year's draft? Could be any position.

Speaker 12 You know who? Okay. So that's

Speaker 12 the running back on the Dolphins, who they traded up to get in the fourth round, Jalen Wright at a Tennessee. Okay.

Speaker 12 I don't know how it works in fantasy football because they have A-chan and they have Mostert and they have Salmon Achmen. They have all these guys.

Speaker 12 This Jalen Wright averaged eight yards a carry at Tennessee, is as as fast as they come, and is like was supposed to go on day two and was supposed to go early day three. They trade up to get him.

Speaker 12 And if I know Mike McDaniel, which I think I know fairly well, like that's his pick and all over it. They traded up to get him.
Again, depth chart be damned.

Speaker 12 There will be plays where Jalen Wright, the running back from the Dolphins, like has an 80-yard scamper or does something crazy.

Speaker 12 And the way they do their offense, like all those running backs will touch the ball. So Jalen Wright, fourth-round pick, Dolphins.

Speaker 1 That's my diamond in the All right, uh, I got one last question.

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Speaker 1 uh you knew i had to ask this

Speaker 1 you know i have to ask this

Speaker 1 your boy david tepper

Speaker 1 come on

Speaker 1 come on right away going into going into we listen i've watched the tape many many times i do not think it was an aggressive uh move but ball busting

Speaker 1 still pulling the hat off another man's head that that could be seen as as an aggression just going in there though

Speaker 1 and being bothered by that.

Speaker 1 I mean, you are the number one David Tepper defender.

Speaker 1 What's going on?

Speaker 1 What's going on?

Speaker 12 Again, beats, marches to the beat of his own drum, goes in there, sees a sign that says stay out of the draft room. The night before, he was feeling good.
They traded back into the first round.

Speaker 12 They got Xavier Leggett, who, by the way, has one of the best press conferences. Yes, yeah, he's awesome.

Speaker 12 He was feeling himself, but couldn't resist. Saw that sign, had to to go in and just he's a he's a man, man of the community down there.
He just wanted to.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's what it was. He wanted to ask small business.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 He screams small business. He screams Carolina native.
That's what he screams. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was an issue. I have no defense.

Speaker 1 It was weird. I think it was weird.

Speaker 12 It was probably playful, a lot more playful than the drink situation. But yeah, look, people are up in arms over it.
I think he likes it. I think he likes it.

Speaker 12 I think it's like he's just playing around. He's having fun.
Like, it's his team, and

Speaker 12 again, will never be pushed around and will never be

Speaker 12 a wilting flower in the corner of the room. He's going to have his voice heard.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it was a weird move, but I think every other restaurant in the Charlotte area should just put out signs like that and just hope that he stops it.

Speaker 8 It should be his thing where he, David Tepper, if he sees a sign disparaging him, will come in and get into an argument with you.

Speaker 12 In a world, in a world of like protest on college campuses and like real life,

Speaker 12 that's such a very niche, specific thing to put on a sign in front of your restaurant. Like it is so specific.
I'm like, I so appreciate that. Like keep the owner out of the draft room.

Speaker 12 I'm like, God, you know, of all the causes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like, let's go. We got to do, yeah, we'll put a sign on, we'll post a tweet on pardon my take, David Tepper, you won't come on this podcast.
You won't, pitch.

Speaker 1 We wear hats all the time. Yeah.
If you took my hat,

Speaker 1 I'm going to take it.

Speaker 8 If you took my hat off, it would have gone down different.

Speaker 1 Oh, put it that way. I would have fucking dropped him.

Speaker 8 I would have been like Cam Newton when he's getting jumped and that hat doesn't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 Great reference. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Shraigs, thank you as always.
You're the best. Get some sleep.
And we'll talk to you later on this summer when we get football coming back.

Speaker 12 You guys are the best. I so appreciate the invite.
And the Bears, the Commanders, the Patriots, and the Eagles all got better this weekend. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 8 Love it. Thank you for saying that.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. All right.
See you, Shraigs.

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Speaker 1 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, Alex Crusoe. Probably the quickest back-to-back.

Speaker 8 Yeah, a little thirsty on your part.

Speaker 1 A little thirsty on your part, but this is to explain to the audience. So the first time we had Alex on was like three weeks ago.
Awesome interview, talking a lot about his career.

Speaker 1 Uh, Caruso's here for another three days before he goes back to Texas for the summer. And I was like, Well, he knows basketball.
Let's talk some basketball.

Speaker 1 Let's talk more current what's going on in the playoff series. Like, I'm down.
Also, might have been because we have a golf simulator. And

Speaker 1 Tuesday, he texted me and was just like, Hey, can I come hit balls on a random day? I was like, Yes, we're going to get you a key card. So, first question, tough question.

Speaker 1 You just played 18 with Hank. Did you win?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I did. I did win.

Speaker 1 By how many strokes?

Speaker 5 I don't know what the final difference was. I did finish one under.
I birdied 18.

Speaker 1 Oh, I got back under far. Did you finish even,

Speaker 1 Hank? We can't hear you.

Speaker 1 You only lost by one, Hank?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I had a five to that.

Speaker 8 Six. You lost by six?

Speaker 3 One, five.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 1 you were 15 over. Yeah.
And he was one under? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Oh, no. 16.
It's interesting because this is, you've played, what, 36 holes today?

Speaker 1 I have, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I was fresh.

Speaker 5 That's probably the excuse. Okay.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Uh, so, Hank, if you took your best 18 holes that you played today, would you have beaten them?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 8 That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 8 I do have an important question. I'm glad that you're in the studio today because we need to get to the bottom of something.
I figured you might have some insight into it.

Speaker 8 Who's the guy that the Lakers have on staff that steals all the opponent's shoes when they come to town and lets them not have them for a shoe guys?

Speaker 8 Do you know who did that? Is there one guy where you're like, yep.

Speaker 1 That must be a new hire.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 they must have serviced somebody out once I left and used all that money they didn't give me to

Speaker 1 hire somebody. I love that.

Speaker 8 I love Coach Malone after the game being like, I'm not an excuses guy, but you can point to the fact that we were wearing flip-flops in our shooter round. Would that actually fuck you up?

Speaker 5 I mean, to be honest,

Speaker 5 if you have a routine, it might.

Speaker 5 If somebody's superstitious and you got to get your, like, you got to have your routine and got to do this. But, like, there's been games where I, like, I don't even shoot before the game.

Speaker 5 Like, I'll go out and shoot, like, five free throws, ten free throws just because I'm tired and like need to save my energy for the game. And I go out and play great.

Speaker 5 And then there's some nights I do that and I don't play good. So like

Speaker 5 if you're not a big excuses guy, no. Yeah.
But yeah, what are you going to say? You know, lose your first game, you're probably going to.

Speaker 8 I feel like there are some guys that have such a pattern, a routine that they get into where something like that might mess with their head a little bit or at least shake their confidence.

Speaker 8 Like if you do everything on game day the exact same way and then something that small can like mix you up a little bit, maybe you got there, you're not like you're mentally weak then.

Speaker 8 But yeah, you're mentally weak. And also you probably

Speaker 5 just care too much. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 A real real warrior like me, myself, I don't think it would impact my shooting at all.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 5 You probably do bad.

Speaker 8 I'd go from five to eight.

Speaker 5 All your makes and warm-ups, you'd save them for the game.

Speaker 1 It would be bad. All right, so let's start with that series because the Lakers did win a game, which was huge.
First time in 11 games, I want to say.

Speaker 5 I was a little nervous that if they got swept, what the energy would be like when I came in here today. So I was.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, we have had this.

Speaker 1 It's rare that this podcast is on the right side of history when it comes to playoffs or or whatever. You know, we predict things poorly most of the time.

Speaker 1 We have been dead on with this series where it's every game is the same. The Nuggets go down and then they come back and they win and they snatch the Lakers.
And A.D.

Speaker 1 and LeBron play like great games and no one else shows up. So what is it about that matchup that gives the Lakers so much trouble?

Speaker 5 Well, the Denver is just built so perfect around Joker, right? Like they, they got, they got length, athleticism, shooting. And then like Joker, man, he

Speaker 5 you saw the one pass where he was going over his head

Speaker 5 pass. It was, it was, my, the basketball, you know, Pierce and me got so excited when I saw that because it's just like, I would, you would love to play with a guy like that.

Speaker 5 You know, if you just get to the right spot, you're going to get the ball. And, like, they got, I mean, they got shooting all around him.

Speaker 5 Jamal Murray's the perfect compliment to him, playing off of him and, like, the pinch post, getting layups. And then defensively, they, they're just, you know, they're locked in together.

Speaker 5 Like, they might not have the best individual defenders. Like, KCP is a really good defender.
Aaron Gordon's a really good defender. But outside of that, the team just has

Speaker 5 good team defense

Speaker 5 and the chemistry that is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 So, Jokic, it does feel like he's playing the game on easy mode. Like, that pass specifically, watching that, it's a joke, like, watching him be able to do that, and he's almost toying with them.

Speaker 1 When you're going up against a guy like that, can you tell when a guy's like feeling it to the level of like it's just everything is easier for him than anyone else on the court?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and

Speaker 5 those are the nights where you hope that you're not playing and you you hope that you're watching. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You're like you're watching on TV because when you're playing, man, that's like a guy of that caliber who already doesn't really care, you know, and then when he tries, it's like, all right, what are we going to do tonight?

Speaker 5 Because the whole thing with him is make him score, make him score.

Speaker 5 And it's like, well, you know, if he gets 12 assists and 15 rebounds and then make him score now, all of a sudden he's got 20-something points. It's like, that's...

Speaker 5 It's asking a lot for the other guys to not get their numbers and try to win a game. Yeah.

Speaker 8 It just seems like every, he doesn't think when he's out there. He just moves.
He just knows. And he just knows.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 Like, he knows ahead of time, like, okay, my instinct is to do this, so I'm just going to go with my instinct. And he

Speaker 8 ends up becoming like a really smart basketball player the less he has to think about it, which is crazy to watch.

Speaker 8 That one play where the ball goes over his head, he goes from like ducking because he thinks the ball might hit him in his head to, oh shit, here's the ball.

Speaker 5 And then just split second, that guy's open. I know he's there.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he hits it like a balloon. Like you would think.

Speaker 1 He duck was kind of like a fake out. You think so? Yeah, I think he's playing on that easy mode.

Speaker 1 Everything he does.

Speaker 5 The ball is coming off his head.

Speaker 1 But he's on such an easy mode that even the mistakes, I'm like, oh, he did that on purpose.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 5 he just makes it. And that's part of

Speaker 5 the poker face, right? Right. He looks like he doesn't care.
We know that he doesn't kind of care. Obviously, he wants to win, but he's thinking about his horses back home

Speaker 1 the whole time.

Speaker 5 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 5 When a player doesn't have any stress and they're really good, it's going to be a long night in the league series.

Speaker 8 The Lakers have been talking about some of the adjustments that they've made.

Speaker 8 uh the nuggets were finally asked some questions like what adjustments are you gonna make yoker was like uh you know i'm not gonna tell you like why don't i even share that with you but when you're when you're making adjustments in the middle of a series what's that like in terms of uh like your coach communicating what you're gonna do differently to you guys is there a text that gets sent out like when he's watching film at 2 a.m that morning just trying to get over that loss or is it just okay come in and then get into the office and then here's what we cooked up overnight yeah it'll be more like that the second one it'll it'll be more a direct and thought out rather than just like a text message: hey, next game, we're going to double them in the post or something like that.

Speaker 5 Like, they'll go back and watch the film. And either, and most of the time, it's not even schemes, it's like more matchups, right? Or like minutes.
Like,

Speaker 5 they'll try and make sure that they bring a certain player in whenever the other guy's best player is in, or if the team goes small, they might throw two bigs out to try and do something like that.

Speaker 5 But, yeah, a lot of that is

Speaker 5 either overnight or over the course of the day. And a lot of times, too, the first couple games, coaches don't want to make too many adjustments, right? Like,

Speaker 5 you want to play it out because this is like the plan they go with.

Speaker 5 And then, after, like, maybe game two, you're like, all right, we got to switch some stuff up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about, so the Heat, I know they're down 2-1 now.
Hank, the Heat actually have already accomplished a great thing this playoffs. They've retired cocky Hank.

Speaker 1 He's not going to be cocky for the rest of the playoffs. But it feels like every year, Spo does something

Speaker 1 to to get the most out of this team. What is it, like when you're playing the Heat,

Speaker 1 do you have in the back of your mind like Spo's going to do something that I probably haven't seen or like they're going to throw something at us that we haven't seen on tape?

Speaker 1 Like, how maybe you could just explain. Maybe it's just a dumb question.
Like, how do you quantify a coach like Spo and what he's able to get out of this Heat team?

Speaker 5 Yeah, a lot of it, I think, is

Speaker 5 nurturing and cultivating, like getting the best out of the players.

Speaker 5 A lot of times with him,

Speaker 5 you know, he's so intense and he's such a competitor. Like

Speaker 5 when that's the lead dog, you know, between him and then Jimmy, obviously, and Jimmy's not playing, but he's still the voice and he's around. Like, it's hard not to raise your level to that.

Speaker 5 And, you know, a lot of times people talk about their culture. Like, that's a big buzzword for them and for

Speaker 5 Miami Heat in general. But the people that they draft and bring into their organization all fit the mold of like, all right.

Speaker 5 like dog mentality like we're gonna play hard like

Speaker 5 we might have a couple deficiencies we'll work on that we can get through that But for the most part, I know what I'm going to bring night in, night out.

Speaker 5 And then, yeah, he does a good job of scheming different things. Like against us, they put Bam on DeMar the whole game, and he was basically playing a guard spot on the outside.

Speaker 5 And it just kind of stalled us out a little bit. But you see in the Boston series, there's just a lot of isolation.

Speaker 5 It's hard to scheme against that when they have so many different guys to go get a bucket or create for the other guys.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I didn't want to bring up the end of the Bulls season, but that was like Bam going on to Mars. Like, you don't think that's going to happen because Bam's usually relied on.

Speaker 5 It was the first game this year we didn't play with Jimmy. So it was the first time we

Speaker 5 kind of predicted, like, we figured they were going to do that, you know, maybe him or Caleb. But once we get into the, you know, you're in the heat of the battle, like there's, it's a one-game series

Speaker 5 in the playoffs where you're going seven games. We're like, all right.

Speaker 5 Coach is going to watch the film and we'll come back next game.

Speaker 1 And do something different.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I would definitely be a bad coach. I would watch the film and I'd be up all night.
I'd just be like firing Texas. She'd be like, play harder.

Speaker 8 They're definitely asleep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, hey, here's what we're going to do. And then when they got in the next day, be like, look at that Texas inchie.
That's our adjustment.

Speaker 8 I'd be a very bad coach.

Speaker 1 I think I would just start every single day. It's simple.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's not overthink this. That's what I would say.
Every single practicer before every game be like, it's a make or miss league.

Speaker 5 So fucking make your shots.

Speaker 5 I say that throughout the year.

Speaker 1 Like, just make it.

Speaker 1 Just make your shots.

Speaker 5 We didn't make shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I would say you guys, you have to want it more than they do. That was always my favorite thing when I was a kid.

Speaker 5 That's coach sheet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's great coach.

Speaker 8 I love it. And in reality, I think there might be some truth to that in the New York-Philadelphia series, where it looks like New York does want it more.

Speaker 5 They just play with like a, I mean, they play like that all year, though. You know, like, it's not, it's nothing new.
It's Tibbs. It's nothing new.
Yeah, it's Tibbs.

Speaker 5 And then same thing, like, you know, Hartenstein plays like that regardless. Josh Hart plays like that regardless.

Speaker 5 Steven Shinzo, OG, like they all fit that mold of how they want to play, and they did a good job of bringing players in to fit that.

Speaker 5 And then Jalen Brunson's just on a, you know, he's been on a tear all year, but especially postseason, there's not a great matchup for him in the league, but for sure, I don't, I mean, Philly hasn't found one yet that they've found that can slow him down at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it feels like,

Speaker 1 and you tell me, like, what happens when a team out-rebounds another team like that so much? Like the offensive glass, you can even say for the Bucs

Speaker 1 Pacers series too, where it feels like the Pacers are just, they want it more on the glass. What is the fix to that?

Speaker 1 Is it like, do you guys actually have to go into the, you know, the day off and be like, hey, you got to box out, like, this is team rebounding? Or how do you fix it?

Speaker 5 It's crazy how, like, the thing, like, the simplest, the simplest parts of basketball in these games, and you forget that, like, that's the stuff that's important. Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's like one of why Minnesota is such a good defensive team. They got, you know, seven, seven something, 6'11.
Jalen McDaniels, 6'9. You know, Naz Reed, 6'10 coming off the bench.

Speaker 5 Like, Anthony Edwards is 6'6. Like, they rebound the ball when they get stops.
Like, you don't get second chances. It's impossible to score on them if you don't shoot well.
Right.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's one of the things, too, though. It's like you got to box out to get the ball.
Like, if they keep getting shots, eventually they're going to make them. Like, they're pros.

Speaker 5 It's in the playoffs, so they care. So, they're going to try really hard.
Like, if you don't get the rebounds, you're not going to win games.

Speaker 5 And it's one of those things where it's like your habits come to light.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 5 If you haven't done it all year, you're not going to start doing it when it's time to win.

Speaker 1 It's tough to turn it on. You can't turn it on.
How often during the season is boxing out talked about?

Speaker 5 I mean, we talked about it. we were a small team, so we had to talk about it because if we just tried to jump with people, we would get killed on the glass.

Speaker 5 But for us, I mean, that's a pretty normal thing, and that's a hard thing. Once you get to professional sports, if you're serious about winning and the coach talks about that stuff,

Speaker 5 not turning the ball over, setting good screens,

Speaker 5 not fouling, rebounding, like boxing out. Those are the things

Speaker 5 you'll watch as the teams advance in the playoffs. They do all that little shit that wins basketball games.

Speaker 5 At the end of the day, you can make as many shots and do all that, but you're going to have to get some stops. You're going to have to do the stuff that wins games.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Dumb question.

Speaker 1 And I've noticed this. This happens a lot in the NBA these days where, and maybe this is you tell me this is just defensive philosophy.
We're doing it no matter what, but switching everything.

Speaker 1 When a team switches everything, you'll sometimes see the other team, they won't even like set real screens. They'll just kind of flash and then you'll get a switch.
Yeah. What is it?

Speaker 1 That's crazy to me. Like, even I was saying it about the Jamal Murray game winner.
Like, no one really came and set a pick on LeBron, but they switched it.

Speaker 1 And Anthony Davis is an incredible defender, so it's not a bad switch. But what is that? Like, I feel like you're giving something up when you just immediately concede the switch,

Speaker 1 even without making the other team set that pick.

Speaker 5 Yeah, part of that is personnel base. Like, obviously, that one with AD, like, you feel pretty confident switching that late game.
And they're probably like, sometimes teams have switching partners.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's hot. I like that.
Real team camaraderie stuff. Yeah, you got to be real, really close to that guy.
Who's your switching partner?

Speaker 5 I mean, any guard, but most of the time, I do a good job of trying to keep them. You fight through it.
Yeah, because

Speaker 5 I don't want to let this guy try to go against my teammate. That's my job.
I'm a first-team of all defense.

Speaker 5 Go guard this guy.

Speaker 5 But that was kind of when teams started going small and started switching everything, the slip screens and the ghost screens became a big deal. Like, just trying to cause confusion, basically.

Speaker 1 Right, just standing there for a second and going to the ring.

Speaker 5 And I get this guy to open up his hips, and then that guy gets the hell out of the way, and I can go downhill and create the advantage where it used to be, all right, big guy, come set the screen.

Speaker 5 Now I'll come off and get downhill at the other big.

Speaker 5 But teams are going small, trying to get more shooting space out the floor. And when you do that, like Indiana, that's their offense.
Like, they play fast, and they just set...

Speaker 5 One of their main plays is action called pistol action, where it's just a guard-to-guard step-up on the sideline, right? Setting a flat screen to the baseline.

Speaker 5 And that guy, majority of the time, slips out, and Tyrese Halliburton or TJ McConnell just dribbles as fast as they can, gets to the baseline.

Speaker 5 And it's a really hard action to guard because they're playing so fast.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 1 What do you do?

Speaker 1 Like, what are the rules when you're playing against a team that's just running a pick and roll over and over, and it's a lob to the, like, even that Mavericks, uh, the Mavericks Clippers game, James Harden was just on fire with his floater, and it felt like the Mavs, and it might have been because of Lucas' fifth foul, but it also felt like Jason Kidd might have had different personnel in there, might have been better.

Speaker 1 But what are the rules when you're getting just beat to death with a pick and roll, whether it be floaters or lobs of the rim, and you can't stop it?

Speaker 5 Yeah, depending on

Speaker 5 what the coverage is for the teams, that might be what they're willing to give up. Right.
You know, like, obviously, we're not in Dallas' meetings.

Speaker 5 We don't know what they're doing, but James Harden is one of the few guys on their team that can create for other guys.

Speaker 5 Anytime that they have a good game this year, he's got eight, nine, ten double-digit assists.

Speaker 5 So for me, that might be be something where I'm thinking, all right, they're going to live with him taking floaters contested, and they just didn't do a good enough job contesting the shots.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know, and it's one of those things where you know, coach is going to go watch and see, like, all right, do we think he can do that again?

Speaker 5 Yes, we need to change something up. If not, you know,

Speaker 5 you kind of live with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's a great answer because it's, it's, it's, it's he went 12 for 17, and it's like, okay, yeah, maybe that's exactly what they wanted to do.

Speaker 5 But they didn't give, you know, they didn't give Zubach Plumlee, you know, dunks and corner threes whenever you bring the low guy over. So that might be something they're working on.

Speaker 5 They also could have just fucked up the coverage.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 5 The big guy was supposed to be there, and they kept messing it up. And that's something where in the playoffs you can't have happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I do think Luca having the fifth foul, like he was very passive once he got his fifth foul.
Not that he's like an elite defender. No, for sure.
But he was very much like

Speaker 5 whatever happened. Like, I'm just going to stay in the game and we'll try to find enough stops.
Right.

Speaker 8 In a game like that, when you get up big, like huge in the first two quarters,

Speaker 8 is it more of a mentality in the the playoffs of like, let's try to keep our foot on the gas, or is it let's play smart? Because I feel like every team,

Speaker 8 if you give up a big comeback, you're like, oh, we should have kept our foot on the gas.

Speaker 8 But I feel like sometimes it is smarter, like, to start slowing things down and to not like, you know, to play like possession-based ball, where it's like, we're not going to give you enough possessions to come back at this point.

Speaker 8 I think

Speaker 5 you still got to play aggressive, you know, whether that is

Speaker 5 playing fast and taking the opportunities in transition, but also being smart and realizing when you have to come back out, play against a set defense. But I mean,

Speaker 5 if you punt too many times, and like we say, punt, like in football, you give possession back. So if you come down, don't do anything, late clock or six seconds.

Speaker 5 Now you go isolation, you take step back midis or step back threes. Now you're giving them defensive rebounds.
That's a hard way to live to try and make all those shots.

Speaker 5 So for me, I like just staying aggressive, foot on the gas, and going the whole game because at a certain point,

Speaker 5 you know,

Speaker 5 there's not enough possessions. They're going to have to start taking more threes.
They're going to have to try and switch up defense, maybe trap something, and now you're getting open shots.

Speaker 5 Like, for me, it's stay aggressive because if you let off the gas at all and then they get momentum like Dallas did, you know, Clippers were lucky to hang on to that game because Dallas had the foul trouble.

Speaker 5 I think that the two main guys kind of

Speaker 5 had to pull the reins back a little defensively. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I want to talk about three teams that are kind of under the radar.

Speaker 1 Not under the radar, but they don't get talked about a lot because they're not the Lakers or the Celtics or the Knicks or the Sixers, but the Thunder, the Magic, and

Speaker 1 the Wolves.

Speaker 1 They're three of the, I think, four best defensive teams in the NBA, and you saw it with the Magic. Like, they just, that was insane what they did to the Cavs.

Speaker 1 The Cavs scored 18 total points in a 20-minute stretch in the second half.

Speaker 1 What is it about those teams that they're doing so much better than everyone else defensively?

Speaker 1 Because I love personally when we get to the playoffs, it's like defense still matters, and you get get to actually watch teams like, oh, we can shut you down and get you out of everything you want to do.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 5 one of the statistics that people look at when you try to find championship teams,

Speaker 5 top 10 defense, top 10 offense.

Speaker 5 And a lot of times the teams with the offenses will kind of sneak in there and they have a puncher's chance. But the teams that defend are the ones in the playoffs, like we just talked about.

Speaker 5 You got to get stops.

Speaker 5 Best players in the world, right? Best players in the world are trying their hardest to win the game. So eventually you're going to to have to get some stops because if not, they'll just keep scoring.

Speaker 5 And all those teams,

Speaker 5 they got a little bit of youth on their side.

Speaker 5 They play really hard all the time.

Speaker 5 They don't take possessions off. And then they got size and length at the rim, and they got guys that can speed you up on the outside.

Speaker 5 That's a key.

Speaker 5 What our 2020 championship team with the Lakers, like we had guards that were just hounding, pestering guys, and then we send them into the lane to our three, seven footers.

Speaker 5 It's like, how are you going to score like that? Like, you got to be really decisive and really smart about how you attack those teams.

Speaker 5 And, you know, if you don't do it, you know, enough times in a row, all of a sudden they went on a 10-0 run. Now you're playing behind the eight-ball, and it's really tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it does, I mean, it is kind of a chicken, not a chicken and egg, because it does feel like you need the rim protector is the number one thing.

Speaker 1 But like, the magic, for example, their guard, like Suggs is, is big and he's long, and he just, he gets in your face.

Speaker 1 Is that because he knows he has that help behind him and that like those work together every time?

Speaker 5 Yeah, those two things really play off each other.

Speaker 5 You know, I think, I mean, that's, it's, you know, you saw with us, like, we don't have three seven footers to send guys into, but, like, I was a point of attack guy.

Speaker 5 Like, our guards did a really good job of trying to get over screens and limit activity.

Speaker 5 You kind of have to play like that regardless. You know, like, if you're guarding, you know, for his sake, you're guarding Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell.
Right.

Speaker 5 Guys can shoot threes, guys can get into the lane, good free throw shooters. There's not a whole lot they can't do offensively.

Speaker 5 So if you just let them play comfortably, they're going to kind of pick you apart.

Speaker 5 So I think it starts, you have to play like that out on the guards, and then it just is an added bonus that they got guys at the rim.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's why Rudy Gobert, I mean, that makes everything go for the Timberwolves, where they're just like, yeah, we can just send you to Rudy Gobert, and you're not going to score.

Speaker 5 He's super aggressive, use your length, and then if you get beat the rim, you got a safety blanket.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he at least will make you alter your shot. Or you're going to think about it.
Who's the number one guy that you would think about? Like when you were going into the paint? Wimby. Wimby?

Speaker 8 You're like, oh, shit.

Speaker 5 Dude, it's already there. Because he can block.
Y'all saw the clips this year. Like, there were guys that were on fast breaks, and like, he's a step behind them, and they just dribbled out.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Because it's, it's, you block guys standing on the ground.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like crazy. See, Rudy's up there, too.

Speaker 5 Like, Rudy still has that, you know, that presence. Um,

Speaker 5 but man, Wimby's already just, like, he's, he's so, he's so long, man.

Speaker 8 He was, like, at the free throw line. There's a guy starting to take a three, and he takes one step and blocks it.
Yeah. It's just crazy.
Why, why do people not like Rudy Gobert?

Speaker 8 Is it because he's French?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 I think French might have something to do with it. There's plenty of French guys that like.

Speaker 1 They like Wimby. They like Tony Parker.

Speaker 5 I think people like Tony Parker. I don't think people hate Nick Batum.
I don't think it's a mandatory French thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's probably the flameouts in the playoffs.

Speaker 8 Maybe it's when he gave everybody crazy.

Speaker 5 Maybe he's always pretty vocal, too. And

Speaker 5 people don't always love that from defensive guys.

Speaker 5 Think about any defensive player that was super outgoing and vocal like that. If he wasn't on your team, everybody kind of hates that guy.

Speaker 1 Right, yeah, right.

Speaker 5 You know, like that's just kind of the status quo for how that goes. I think that's probably where it comes in.

Speaker 8 It's because like he stops you from scoring, and then he talks a lot about it, but then he won't score on offense. And you're like, wait, what the fuck? Like, why? You're not scoring either.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, that, that, that rubs a lot of NBA players the wrong way because NBA players are all focused on scoring. Like, yeah, that's the thing.
It's like, I'm going to go get a bucket.

Speaker 5 Like, you can't stop me. You get a couple stops, and the guy talks shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Have you noticed any difference in how the refs are officiating the game in the playoffs?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's interesting, man. I was thinking about this.

Speaker 5 It's like they go through a threshold at the beginning, like play in first couple games, and then all of a sudden it kind of reverts back because it gets so grotesque of like a

Speaker 5 viewing experience because this guy's just hammering each other. Guys are going in to the lane.
Like I think about the

Speaker 5 Warriors Kings playing game. I don't know if y'all saw that game.
Yeah. Dude, they're playing football.
Yeah. And it was like obvious fouls that weren't getting called.
And then today I saw

Speaker 5 James Harden did a stop and we call it a stop and shot where like guy's on his side and they like stop really fast and the guy touches them. And it was like minimal contact and they called a foul.

Speaker 5 And it's just stuff like that where it's like,

Speaker 5 you want it to be one way or another or at least a happy medium. Like I just feel like it starts off the playoffs.
Everyone knows it's like, all right. It's tightened up.
Like there's no real body.

Speaker 5 Like you can kind of you can kind of arm bar again. Like if you go in and they hit a little bit of arm, like they're not going to call it.
But then they kind of soften up like a couple games. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's like, all right, we got to get back to the production of what we want to watch.

Speaker 1 I also think they just don't, they don't take as many of the cheap ones, which I appreciate. Like, Kyle Lowry today, that was one of the funniest things.
Did you see that?

Speaker 1 When I think maybe it was Brunson fell down and

Speaker 1 he tried to jump and trip himself while shooting, and it was ridiculous. Savvy Vett, he got the call.
Yeah, I know. He got the call, but he left.
I saw that

Speaker 8 forward and shot from where his waist was.

Speaker 5 He had a lot of statistic, too, that there was like eight flopping calls called in the first couple weeks of the season, and then there was like two called in the last.

Speaker 1 That's how it happens in the NFL. They always do that.
They'll do it.

Speaker 5 They're like a point of emphasis for like a month, and they're just like, wow.

Speaker 8 They get people to stop. Yeah, there's a lot at stake if you say that a guy flopped in a playoff game.
And if you're wrong, like if it wasn't a flop,

Speaker 1 yeah. How weird is it watching these playoffs? And I know that we're in the middle of these series.
We're watching the Suns Timberlools game right now.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the Lakers won on Saturday night, so they're still alive. But we could have a playoffs where Kevin Durant, LeBron James, and Steph Curry are not in the second round.

Speaker 1 Can you feel it shifting? Like, the league is.

Speaker 5 This is probably the first postseason where you actually see it. Yeah.
Like, even last year, like,

Speaker 5 you know, those guys still were around.

Speaker 8 Like, obviously, Golden State was really good.

Speaker 5 Lakers made it to the conference finals.

Speaker 5 It's just, dude, the young guys, man, like,

Speaker 5 and is like of that old school nature. Like, talk shit, back it up, talk more shit behind it.

Speaker 5 Which I love, like, the competitive spirit of it because, you know, you see a little bit of the, like, not buddy-buddy, but it's not as always, you know, cutthroat during the year. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And for me, it's like winner, go home every night. Right.
I'm trying to win the game. Like, I'm friends with a lot of guys in the league.
Like, after the games, I'll say what's up.

Speaker 5 Like, good to see you. I'm going to be pissed if we lose, and I'm not going to be as happy and as excited to see them.
But at the end of the day, like, I want to win.

Speaker 5 Like, I'm not going going to not try or not, like,

Speaker 5 I'm not going to back up or slow my roll because I'm playing against my friend, and I feel like that's how he brings it every night. And he's got the game to back it up, or sometimes I don't.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, I might talk a good game, but at the end of the day, I need some help.

Speaker 1 It's cool to watch. Like, him and SGA and like some of these younger guys, where it's like, okay, this might be, this is kind of what the league's going to look like.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, even Luca, Luca's still young. Yeah.
There's so many, you know, Paolo Bencaro looks, he looked amazing in game three.

Speaker 5 If he could ever develop like a high 30s three-point shot, the dude is going to be amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So of all the young guys, like second year or rookie, who is the one that you've got your eye on? Is it Paolo?

Speaker 1 We'll put Chet. Yeah, Chet.

Speaker 8 Chet. Although, was he technically a rookie this year?

Speaker 1 He was technically a rookie. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It'd still be second year.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Dude, honestly,

Speaker 5 Chet's going to be really good. People haven't talked about him enough just because, you know, shape.
Commercial. Yeah, commercial relationship.

Speaker 8 I've now done like a full circle in the commercial where he comes on. I'm like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, yeah.

Speaker 8 What pro wants?

Speaker 5 No, but like, he's he's gonna be really good. Like, we played him so early.
We played him twice early in the year. So, like, he hadn't figured it out yet.

Speaker 5 And then, watching him later in the year, man, you can tell, guys, I get better through the year.

Speaker 5 He's gonna be really good. I still think, man, when Wimby figures it out, it's gonna be trouble.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 He's just physically,

Speaker 5 you're gonna, it's gonna be like the, it's gonna going to be like how teams had to match up with LeBron for like a stretch of a decade, where it's like you need a couple guys on your team that are 6'7 to 6'10 long and can move a little bit.

Speaker 5 But for him, it's going to be like 6'9 to 7 foot. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's going to be scary.

Speaker 8 With Wimby, what's one thing about playing against him that we don't get as fans watching the game?

Speaker 8 We can obviously see his defense and what he can do, the places he can come from to block a shot that seem impossible.

Speaker 8 But is there something about his game that playing against him is different and you can tell already like this is going to be a problem?

Speaker 5 Dude, just how much space he absorbs while he's out there.

Speaker 5 Even on offense for him, like

Speaker 5 if a guard comes off a screen from him or like somebody who's guarding him helps just a little bit and

Speaker 5 he's within 10 feet of the basket, he's going to get the ball and he's going to score.

Speaker 5 If you don't have a guy that's seven foot that's right next to him, he pretty much is just grabbing the ball and lays it in or dunks it.

Speaker 5 And then like you said, defensively, like he, he can, he can cover so much ground. And like he, he set records this year for like blocks and

Speaker 5 steals, I want to say, and he's just playing off instincts. Yeah.
Like he doesn't even know guys, like, he doesn't know guys' habits yet.

Speaker 5 He doesn't know who likes to go left, like, who likes to pump fit. Like, once he figures out, like, people's games and like how the flow of the game works,

Speaker 5 he's going to set some records.

Speaker 1 How do you stop Jalen Brunson? And what is it about Jalen Brunson that's that's like why? Because, you know,

Speaker 5 a lot of people would tell you, I don't have the answer for that last couple.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, a lot of people don't. The whole league doesn't really have an answer for it.
But, like, what is it about his game that he does at elite level? Because he's not like, he's not a Wemby.

Speaker 1 He's not jumping off the page in terms of, you know, athleticism, all that stuff. But he's so, so effective.
He always feels like the game is in his control, too.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, especially once Julius was out for the year, I mean, it's just his ball every time down the court. Like, when we, he's, I'm pretty sure he had the highest usage rate post-all-star break

Speaker 5 in the league. Either him or Luca were one and two.

Speaker 5 And it's just, you know, he's just deciphering where he wants to go. He's shifty.
You know, that's one thing. He gets guys to change angles and move his body.

Speaker 5 He's got a good first step, and then he shoots it good enough off the dribble to where you have to honor it.

Speaker 5 He gets hot, you know, he can make 6-7 in a game.

Speaker 5 Scores at three levels. His touch, he gets in the lane, plays off pivots.
He's making reads, right? Like, he's not getting in there and saying, all right, I'm going to go do this.

Speaker 5 Like, he's playing off of how you're guarding him, which is one of the hard things for me when I'm guarding him because I'm trying to stay,

Speaker 5 you know, I'm trying to play like a cornerback does in football. Like, I'm trying to mirror him and stay in front and not give up the angle or leverage.

Speaker 5 But he's just, he's a tough shot maker, too. Yeah.
He makes shots that he probably shouldn't make. But

Speaker 1 it's doing stuff where

Speaker 1 he's watching you and being like, your,

Speaker 1 your weight is in the wrong spot here, and that's how I can go after you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, or like,

Speaker 5 you know, he pump fakes and you rise up. Like, he's, he has great footwork.
That's the villainova coming out at him, like, pretty sure they, what do y'all call it? Booty ball. Yeah, booty ball.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 He's got that down. Like, he had that coming out of college, and now he's just refined it and added some other stuff to his game.

Speaker 5 And it's, there's not like a point on the court where you can kind of shade him or, you know, corral him to that he can't find a way to get to a spot for a shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is so much fun to watch because it is like those are the players that they're not the most gifted athletically, but their footwork

Speaker 1 is no wasted steps.

Speaker 5 Maybe not like in the traditional

Speaker 5 jump out of the gym.

Speaker 1 Right, that's what I mean, where it's not like he's jumping over guys.

Speaker 5 Yeah. His change of direction and his strength is underrated.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's just the foot. When a guy has footwork, and I love when it's like no wasted steps.

Speaker 5 That's part of it, too, is there's no wasted movement. Yeah.

Speaker 5 A lot of times when I'm guarding guys, like if you waste movement, I'm going to take that as my advantage, cut you off, or play you into one of my teammates. For him, it's not a lot of waste.

Speaker 1 He kind of reminds me, and I actually, this leads into a question. So did you do the anonymous poll on the athletic? Did you fill that out?

Speaker 5 I don't think they asked me this year.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 1 We're trying to find out who voted Paul Pierce.

Speaker 5 Oh, I did see that. Yeah.
Who's the greatest ever? Is that what you're doing?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was it you? It wasn't me. Can next year you do it? And

Speaker 5 yeah, who should we do it right now?

Speaker 1 blake griffin deli oh deli yeah

Speaker 1 dude deli's the coat and we'd be like oh that was crushed you respect deli's game yeah i do yeah yeah oh man that was that was like you know my avenue in that was the yeah player i had to like deli walk so you could run you were the uh you were the italian deli you were the deli yeah

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 yeah that was a very funny poll though so i and but i brought up ball bears too because he kind of had a not the same game as young brothers but also like not the fastest but there was no wasted step.

Speaker 1 That to his spots.

Speaker 5 Right, exactly. He was also, he could rise up and shoot over guys, too.
Like, yeah, 6'7, 6'8, I think.

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Speaker 8 You're a Texas kid. I want to give you an opportunity to respond to Charles Barkley.
He went after the city of Galveston pretty hard, the Galveston Beach. That's pretty close to College Station.

Speaker 8 I'm sure you've been there once or twice. I've been there.
I'm not going to inject my personal bias into it.

Speaker 8 Do you think Charles got it right about Galveston, or would you like to defend it?

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, it's not great. Yeah,

Speaker 5 it's not the best, but like, it's a beach. Yeah, it is a beach.
You don't go to get in the water. I'll say that.

Speaker 8 No, there's sand, there's water, but there's also like tar and oil on the sand because people also drive their cars on the beach.

Speaker 8 It's pretty gnarly. Yeah, no, that's what it is, though.

Speaker 5 You go out to hang out on the beach. You don't really, like, you're not, there's no boogie boards or, like,

Speaker 1 that stuff.

Speaker 8 I actually have seen people boogie boarding in Galveston, but I swear to God.

Speaker 9 People will, but you should not.

Speaker 1 You should not.

Speaker 8 What they've done is they get these big-ass oil tankers that drive by. And the giant waves that come off of these oil tankers,

Speaker 8 people will be like, oh shit, let's go catch a wave. And it's just from this big-ass dirty smell today, boy.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 I kind of agree with Charles Barkley.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, it's not the best.

Speaker 5 It's not known for its clean water.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you get drunk on the beach. You drink 20 light beers in the sun on the beach

Speaker 1 and play some football or corn football. Yeah, exactly.
Why?

Speaker 1 For the vibes. Yeah, yeah.
Why do role players play better at home?

Speaker 1 Or is that just a cliche we lean on and just like do confirmation bias where we're like, oh, this guy scored a a bunch of points at home.

Speaker 5 It would be interesting to do an actual statistical analysis on that because that is like, you know, that's like

Speaker 5 the generic go-to saying, like, oh, this guy, home game, guy's going to play better. But like

Speaker 5 Alexander Walker the other night hit, you know, four or five threes in the second half on the road. Like,

Speaker 5 I don't think that affected him too much. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think it's person by person basis.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it is, it is just, I think it might just be the cliche we go to where it's like, all right, got to get back home, then all the

Speaker 1 role players will chip in.

Speaker 5 Well, that's like this, like, I had some of my best games this year on the road. Like, I had a game at Minnesota, I set it career high and three made.

Speaker 5 Game at Indianapolis, I had like 21, 7, and 7. Like, I played some of my better games on the road this year.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 What about, have you ever been in a playoff game or any big game where the crowd, your home crowd, seems to be like 70% away fans?

Speaker 5 No, not that much. No? No, but.

Speaker 1 That would suck.

Speaker 8 do you think do you think that would piss you off for sure oh yeah for sure for sure what would you be thinking about that

Speaker 5 i probably during the game i wouldn't i wouldn't think about it too much but like you know you the other team makes a shot and you hear a bunch of cheers yeah what was that or you miss a free throw and home crowds cheers yeah yeah no that's and you're also fighting through bell's palsy or it's not it's not quiet when you're seeing your free throws at home yeah you can only see out of one eye and you're like what are all these fans doing what would you say what would you say about that after the game not excuses excuses guy.

Speaker 1 Not an excuses guy, but it sucks.

Speaker 5 It's tough. Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like you wouldn't say bad sports town, but some people could say that.

Speaker 5 It opens up dialogue for that. Yeah, the conversations happen.
It has to start.

Speaker 1 We've had that conversation.

Speaker 1 I don't give a fuck state of

Speaker 1 this series where he's like, this can't hurt me.

Speaker 8 I mean, the fact that it happened in Philly, of all places, is crazy. And I understand it's like, you know, a two-hour drive from New York.
You can get on a train, be there, and get back home.

Speaker 8 Prices also at MSG are crazy to get in. That's my favorite.

Speaker 1 Whenever we start bringing in the price wars, you're like, well, it's so expensive to go to MSG. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Which is kind of true.

Speaker 1 It is, but it's just such a funny soup that we go to where it's like, well, of course, there's a bunch of fans. It's cheaper.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, yeah, but for them to have that many home fans on the road.

Speaker 1 No, I know. Tickets are available.

Speaker 8 It's brilliant. I would be upset if I was a player.

Speaker 1 What's uh, what out of all the places in all the teams still left, what's the best gym to shoot at?

Speaker 1 Ooh, that's a good question.

Speaker 5 Good question.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 5 It's a good question. Good question.
All right, let's go through.

Speaker 5 Honestly,

Speaker 5 Miami is a notoriously good shooting gym. Really? I mean, it's always warm, you know? So, like, you don't have to worry about loosening up and getting warm and worrying about any of that.

Speaker 5 The basketballs are always soft, good basketballs. The rims feel soft.
It's the humidity. Yeah.
You know, like when the ball hits the rim, it's got a little better chance of going in. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Miami's a good one. phoenix isn't a bad one

Speaker 1 dry heat

Speaker 5 yeah i'm trying to think of some more is there a bad one

Speaker 5 honestly i want to say minnesota but like i shot well there this year so i don't know if that's not so bad yeah maybe it's not so bad uh it's it's uh staples center sorry crypto arena's

Speaker 5 good shooting gym

Speaker 1 yeah you like it when the yeah the dark backgrounds you like that yeah yeah is there any truth to like it when you watch

Speaker 8 not the NCAA tournament, but a lot of times some of the smaller schools are playing in gyms that have the backs that are closer to the back the backboard?

Speaker 8 Like, does that give you better depth perception?

Speaker 8 Yeah, like the high school gym type vibe.

Speaker 5 Just like one row of bleachers.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Yeah.
Is that easier?

Speaker 5 That's a good question.

Speaker 8 I always felt like that would help with depth perception when there's like dude.

Speaker 5 Honestly, I haven't played a gym like that in so long. I don't.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Yeah, our gym.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll take a couple shots after.

Speaker 8 Yeah, we can put you on the gun and check your stats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, might be better. What about

Speaker 1 the so, like, going forward in the playoffs, is

Speaker 1 like back to, or not, there's no back-to-backs, but it's every other day.

Speaker 1 Is there real, like, does it really feel like you get later in a series and you start, your body wears down, or is it like, we're already here, we're used to this, it's fine?

Speaker 1 Because, like, I, even game sevens, like, you'll see the basketball will not be the best basketball. That might just be teams are tight, but, like, how does it feel going through a deep playoff run?

Speaker 5 No, it's definitely, I mean, it's,

Speaker 5 it gets to you. Um, obviously, the only really deep playoff run I've had was with the Lakers bubble, so, but, like,

Speaker 5 so the travel, the travel didn't affect us, but like, by, you know, by, by the second series,

Speaker 5 into the second series, you, you know, you're tired. Yeah, and you just got to fight through it.
And even having, like, so imagine, you know, finishing that.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think back to our series against the Bucs. You know, we played them.
Like, I remember after the first game, you know, I was taking charges on Giannis.

Speaker 5 Like, I was like in the mix, late in the game. And then we come back.
And I remember the drive home from Milwaukee to Chicago. I was just

Speaker 5 looking out of the window. I was like, fuck, I'm tired, dude.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That was a lot.

Speaker 1 Because you're at a different level. Yeah,

Speaker 5 there's no,

Speaker 5 like, think about the last five minutes of a close game in the regular season, the whole game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, it's, it's, it's as hard as you can go, basically, the whole 48 minutes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Have you reached the point where you're starting to like take better care of your body? Players always talk about that. Like, after in the league for so long, you realize what you can and can't do.

Speaker 8 I know a lot of, I forget who was saying this in an interview, but he was saying like

Speaker 8 at morning shootaround or like a morning workout, half the guys would just smell like liquor because they were like sweating out the night before, essentially, like getting back into shape.

Speaker 8 At what point did you have to change the way either you like you partied a little bit or any of that other stuff because you realized you couldn't recover the same way you used to?

Speaker 5 Yeah, honestly,

Speaker 5 the last couple years, just playing more minutes. You know, like

Speaker 5 when I was in LA, I was playing max 20 minutes, you know, maybe

Speaker 5 get into like the mid-20s if I'm playing really good some game because we had so many guys.

Speaker 5 And so I didn't like, you know, I didn't realize, you know, how much of a grind really the season was. And then I got Chicago, you know, playing 30 minutes a night the first season.

Speaker 5 And it's like, oh, shit, like, when we play four games in six days, you know, and you're playing 25, 30 minutes plus.

Speaker 5 It's like, at the end of that third game on the back-to-back in the third game, you're like, oh, shit, like, I need to get in the cold tub. Like, I can't do this.

Speaker 5 And that was part of the reason this year, I think I had such a good year

Speaker 1 on the court.

Speaker 5 You know, I played 70-something games, like, 29 minutes, 30 minutes a night.

Speaker 5 It was just the routine. You know, like,

Speaker 5 I was on top of like, you know, all the shit that people talk about, hydration, nutrition. I was cold tubbing every time we had to, like, on the road, wearing my recovery tights.

Speaker 5 Like, it just, I just found a good rhythm.

Speaker 8 What are recovery tights?

Speaker 5 They're basically just like ankle to thigh, just full body like recovery tights.

Speaker 8 A giant compression sleeve? Yeah, basically.

Speaker 1 I love those because those are

Speaker 1 you see people like in compression sleeves or the leggings, and it's like either NBA athlete or diabetes. There's like no in between.
Those are the only two reasons you'd wear them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The biggest ends of the spectrum you could find.

Speaker 8 Maybe going on a long plane ride trying to increase your circular.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's just like there's nothing really. It's like one or the other.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's fair. I've never thought about that.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 How did you decide to become a compression sleeve guy? Did you try out different things? Like, Luca's wearing all sorts of shit all over his body.

Speaker 8 Have you tried out wearing like different sleeves, different parts of your body?

Speaker 5 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 5 I have teammates that make fun of me. I wear the most stuff out of anybody.
Like, I have, I have, uh, and I don't wear those, like, those padded compression shorts on the hip

Speaker 5 from these companies because they don't actually protect like the joints and your bones. Like, it's on your, it's on your thigh and like below your tailbone.
So I wear like snowboard, the

Speaker 5 snowboard pads.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 5 So when I

Speaker 5 take charges and stuff, that's what I'm falling on. I got knee pads on.
I wore the arm sleeve this year because at first I hyperextended my elbow a little bit and my elbow was messed up.

Speaker 5 So I wore that to keep it tight and then sure enough, fell on my elbow enough times during the season, wore a padded one towards the end of the year.

Speaker 5 I got a lot going on.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I like the knee pads, although I feel like a lot of players don't wear those. Like, it would be like maybe restrictive.

Speaker 5 No, not restrictive.

Speaker 5 No, no, because by the time, I mean, you're not wearing like you know, it's not like the weightlifting, like, you know, the powerlifting knee pads where it's like your arm, your leg has to stay straight.

Speaker 5 Like, they're pretty movable.

Speaker 1 The ankle braces, I'm surprised those are restrictive, I would assume, because, like, no one. I tape.

Speaker 5 I don't wear the ankle braces.

Speaker 1 Like, Grayson Allen wears the thick ones.

Speaker 5 I think

Speaker 5 Steph wears them. Yeah.
Richard Fox wears them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It looks like Forrest Gump.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the ankle braces. I'm a tape guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Got to have that movement.

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Thank you, Alex, for coming in. I know you're going on summer break, so I'm happy that you're able to come in.

Speaker 1 Whenever you're back, you got to golf, and you also, like, we learn more about basketball with you around.

Speaker 1 I think we're going to give you a key card next next year. That'd be good.
You're going to just come and golf whenever and beat the fuck out of Hank, which actually, I might just have that be like,

Speaker 1 we just have it on the schedule.

Speaker 1 Hank gets his ass kicked. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Gets rid of cocky Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we can just shove him down and be like, you're still not good at it.

Speaker 5 Or if Hank just gets really good.

Speaker 1 Nah.

Speaker 1 Nah.

Speaker 1 He has gotten a lot better, but nah, I'm not really worried about that.

Speaker 1 So the young teams. I know everyone's like, oh, well, the Nuggets look like the best team in the West.
They're the defending champs. The Celtics, Hank already has Celtics Nuggets in the finals.

Speaker 1 But the young teams of the Thunder, the Wolves, the Pacers, I guess you'd throw the Knicks in. They're just not.
Are the Wolves that young of a team? I'm saying more like young in terms of success.

Speaker 1 Gotcha. So like, yeah, I mean, the Thunder confuse it because they are literally the youngest teams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the deep run teams. Which team do you think has the best chance to potentially do like a crazy how do they get to the finals run?

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 5 I mean, the wording of that is tough, too, because it's like, how do they get get to the finals? But, like, literally, the West had three number one seeds this year. Right.

Speaker 5 Like, the Thunder and the Wolves and Denver went back and forth until the

Speaker 1 game apart. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Based on the first couple games,

Speaker 5 I don't think the Pelicans were a true test for OKC, so it's tough to say with them. But based on how Minnesota's playing, I'd say the T-Wolves.
Yeah, just

Speaker 1 feel.

Speaker 5 Ant feels ready for the moment. Like, he doesn't feel like he shies away, you know, make miss, and he's indifferent.
Like, he just is go mode.

Speaker 5 I like Mike Conley. I like, I like Mick Daniels.

Speaker 5 I like the pieces. Like, I like how their team fits for the postseason.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 They're in the regular season, night in, night out, depending on matchups, it's not great, but for the postseason, I think they match up with a lot of teams really well.

Speaker 1 What about the Pacers? Because

Speaker 1 they are like they haven't. I think this would be the first series the Pacers have won in a long time.

Speaker 1 And they play a style that's fun to watch. They fast.

Speaker 5 They got a bunch of athletes.

Speaker 5 I think it's the same thing, though, with the Thunder.

Speaker 5 Bucks without Gonzas. And then also, you know, Dame missed tonight, and Bobby got ejected.
So, like,

Speaker 5 I'm not taking anything away from them because

Speaker 5 you still got to go out there and play the games, and they're playing well, and they beat him earlier in the season, too, so it's not like it's completely

Speaker 5 out of the ordinary for that. But

Speaker 5 I don't know, dude, The way they play,

Speaker 5 it makes it hard, too, because we had success against them this year. Yeah.
So

Speaker 5 I don't understand how the other teams

Speaker 5 struggle with them when it's just like, all right, get back in transition.

Speaker 5 You know, pretty much, I say take care of, but like, guard Halliburton, guard Siakam.

Speaker 5 You got a pretty good recipe for success.

Speaker 5 But I guess we just matched up with them well. Yeah.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 Who would they play in the second round if they advanced?

Speaker 1 They would play the Knicks,

Speaker 1 Sixers. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Don't love that for them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, the T-Wolves are good because you're right. Like,

Speaker 1 the Pacers have been impressive, but they are playing against a Henry College.

Speaker 5 I think there's just more question marks around the other team.

Speaker 1 Right. Whereas the Wolves have just, I know they're playing right now, but like the first three games, they've completely

Speaker 1 dismantled the Suns.

Speaker 5 Just

Speaker 5 nothing special either. Like, they're just going out there and guarding, playing on offense, going home.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 And for us, because we're not the smartest basketball minds in the world, when we're watching the Suns on paper, the Suns should be good.

Speaker 8 I think, I mean, they have a big three. They put together a big three.
What is it about the team that has just looked so disjointed,

Speaker 8 so just like frustrating to watch?

Speaker 8 What is the reason why they're struggling despite having so much talent?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I think they're missing a point guard, like a lead guard.

Speaker 5 I think they're missing somebody to organize everything,

Speaker 5 to take some of the pressure off these other guys to bring the ball up to, you know, through a playoff series, like we talked about, seven games.

Speaker 5 If you have to work as hard as they have to work to get shots up, and especially against the Timberwolves, so much length, like you're not just getting layups at the rim, and now you're asking them to bring the ball up and to organize stuff and to make decisions, it's just a lot.

Speaker 5 I feel like a couple of the games that I've watched,

Speaker 5 it just looks like whenever

Speaker 5 the energy's high and the game's kind of crazy, they need to be able to throw the ball to somebody, put it under their arm, and like, all right, go get in the corner, run this play, do this, and kind of calm everything down.

Speaker 5 And they don't have a stable force.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's even, I mean, the Mavs Clippers game was so incredible to watch because you had like James Harden and Kyrie just trading in the fourth quarter. It's like, this is, you know,

Speaker 5 they were just making shots.

Speaker 5 And it's like, get to your spot, get to your spot. Come, come set the screen.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 It's either I'm going to get a great shot or someone else is going to get a great shot.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thanks so much, Alex.
Enjoy your summer. Good luck with golf.
Appreciate that. Whenever you're back, you're welcome to come by.

Speaker 1 I want you to just beat Hank every single time. We should just get it like 100 matches.

Speaker 5 Hank, what's your best round ever?

Speaker 1 I shot an 86 a couple weeks ago. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Was it an 86?

Speaker 3 Yeah, from the whites.

Speaker 1 Were you keeping no gimmis? No gimmies. No mulligans? No mulligans.
No breakfast balls?

Speaker 1 maybe breakfast oh okay no gimmis at all no not a single gimme the people you were playing with were they like balling cup that's that's a good number ball and cup that's a good number okay

Speaker 1 good job hank i shot a 72 at shinnecock once

Speaker 1 i think i know about that yeah and then people people talk about it coast to coast yeah no erasers on the

Speaker 1 yeah well listen you can shoot whatever you want you just got to fill it out yeah just like it's very easy scores a mindset yeah you i mean i you can feel like you shot You want me to go to Pebble Beach tomorrow and shoot a 65?

Speaker 1 I tweeted, and actually, JJ Reddick texted me. He was like, dude, I didn't know you're a stick.
We got to get out together.

Speaker 5 Dude,

Speaker 1 I skipped like seven holes.

Speaker 1 I did that one time.

Speaker 8 I did that one time with a scorecard where I had three zeros on my car. I was like, pretty good, right? Almost broke 100.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just skipping.

Speaker 5 I just got a boss holes sometimes, though. You just get your drink.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 It was crazy. I actually did enjoy, though, the like hour of people like reaching out being like, holy shit, you're a really good golfer.

Speaker 1 And I was like, this is awesome. Like everyone respects me now.

Speaker 8 It's like announcing you're having a kid and then posting a 72 at Shinnecock, you get probably the same amount of text from being like, dude, congrats.

Speaker 1 How much people care about? Yeah. It was crazy.

Speaker 5 Oh, dude. Congrats.

Speaker 1 I remember

Speaker 1 cancer. Yeah, it wasn't a ton of people, but JJ texted me and was like, we got to go out.
And then Justin Thomas texted me. He's like, dude, I didn't know you had that game.
And I was like, I don't.

Speaker 5 Did they revoke the invitation?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were just like, oh,

Speaker 1 my God. Never mind.
I'm never golfing with you.

Speaker 8 The internet gets a bad rap sometimes for golf losers that will correct anything in your swing. Like if you post a swing online.

Speaker 8 But what I've found is the golf community is like actually very, very supportive. If you shoot like,

Speaker 1 if you're good.

Speaker 8 I mean, even like if I, if I break 100 and I post the scorecard, there's so many people that are like, dude, that's awesome. Congrats.
I'm so proud of you. Yeah.

Speaker 8 You don't hear about those people as much as you hear the losers.

Speaker 8 You need to open up your swing. That's the point of hit.

Speaker 5 cares about those people.

Speaker 1 I felt loved. Yeah, I got to do it again.

Speaker 5 They don't love the game, they love it for themselves. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Wait, what's your best score?

Speaker 5 I've shot a two over

Speaker 5 73 and a 74. So I'll power 71 over 2.

Speaker 1 So not 72 at Shinnecock. No.
Okay. You got me.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen. You can always dream.

Speaker 5 You can always dream.

Speaker 5 I'm playing on Tuesday. I'm going to shoot 71.

Speaker 8 Text it to you. Okay.
Have you got a hole in one?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I got one.

Speaker 8 Is it on film?

Speaker 5 It's recorded on my phone that the ball was in the hole and the people I got.

Speaker 1 So that's a no. So that's a no.

Speaker 5 I don't play YouTube golf.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you mean.

Speaker 1 It's true. True, our standard is very tight.
Maybe we should.

Speaker 5 Maybe that's the

Speaker 5 summer job.

Speaker 1 You don't want to be the guy who, every single par three, you're like, hey, take out your phone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I might do it this time. Yeah.
Never even close.

Speaker 5 You just start topping it.

Speaker 8 We did that in Arizona. We went to, we played the TPC at Scottsdale.
Yeah. And we hit a par three.
Everybody brought their cameras out.

Speaker 5 Which one was the famous one, 16?

Speaker 8 No, we did that on 16, too, but I think it was like, I don't know, seven or something on the front nine.

Speaker 8 And I hit my shot and the ball went directly to the right, bounced off a tree and went backwards.

Speaker 8 And then they're like, okay, try it again. And I did the exact same thing where the ball went backwards.

Speaker 8 And having somebody film you, like, you're expecting to get a hole in one and have it turn out that badly.

Speaker 1 Did they know what kind of golfer you were? Oh, yeah, they played seven holes in me.

Speaker 8 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll post the video. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, hole in one.

Speaker 8 So you haven't really gotten it. Yeah, no.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. Sorry.
We won't allow it. I got one asterisk.

Speaker 5 Like the championship. It's an

Speaker 1 one-ring championship. Right, you feel like you're a champion when you go to bed at night.
We don't.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you got a bubble hole in one.

Speaker 1 It's like I yes.

Speaker 1 I got a bubble one.

Speaker 8 Would that be the biggest scumbag move of all time if you lied and said that you got a hole in one? Like at the end of your round, you like post online. Yeah, my first hole in one.

Speaker 1 Well, I've done that.

Speaker 1 On your round?

Speaker 5 You can't make that round.

Speaker 1 I have done just random scorecards. I'll just throw a one out there.
And then people like, holy shit.

Speaker 8 But somebody doing it seriously, I think that might be the saddest thing ever.

Speaker 1 Oh, it would definitely be the saddest thing.

Speaker 5 I feel like that's got to be bad karma, too. Like,

Speaker 5 you'll never make one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I, uh,

Speaker 5 not to, I can't remember the story. This dude, this dude, I found on the internet, he, he, like, was new to golf, came in, told his grandpa that he was like, how'd your round go?

Speaker 5 He's like, oh, it was great. Like, I made a hole in one, blah, blah, blah.
And his grandpa was like so excited for him. He didn't make a hole in one.
He was just like, you know, bullshit with him.

Speaker 5 Didn't have the heart to tell him. Day later, he comes back.

Speaker 5 guy made him a plaque oh with the ball the whole wet hole it was the yardage oh no guy's grandpa dies before he can tell him oh that's actually better he said he's never gonna make one in his life yeah

Speaker 8 that's the perfect jinx yeah hey grandpa's dead and he thought you had a whole moon that's kind of cool yeah i guess for him it's yeah yeah grandpa gets to heaven and i i always imagine that when you get to heaven you've got like dvr for life when you can when you can watch it and you don't know these people's morals yeah

Speaker 8 okay yeah but i just always would imagine that he's like, I want to go see my grandson's hole in here. It's rewind.
And he's like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 What the hell has he done?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Now he's up in heaven, pissed off for the rest of his life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Caruso, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 We'll see you soon.

Speaker 5 Yep. I'll be back soon.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show.

Speaker 1 The Minnesota Timberwolves are going to the second round in a four-game sweep, which is shocking in the fact that it was, I think before the series, it was even money on both sides.

Speaker 1 Who would win that series?

Speaker 1 And the Timberwolves just dismantled the Phoenix Suns. Their defense is so good.
Anthony Edwards is a star rising up the charts. He is that dude.
I'm happy for Minnesota. They've won a series.

Speaker 1 They're going on. I think this is, I got to check this.
I think this might be other than the year they Kevin Garnett took them to the Western Conference finals.

Speaker 1 I think this is the first time they've won a series. Is it really? I believe so.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look it up.

Speaker 8 I'm going to look it up. I mean, that would be shocking if true.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 8 Just because it feels like we talk about the Wolves being in and around the postseason, but they haven't won series.

Speaker 3 The play-in game. Yeah, playing game.

Speaker 1 They haven't won series.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Minnesota, Timberwolves, playoff history.

Speaker 1 Let's see. They

Speaker 1 am

Speaker 1 100% correct. Wow.
Kevin Garnett year, they went to the Western Conference Finals.

Speaker 1 Other than that, in their franchise history, which started in 1989, 1990 season, they have not won a playoff series. So congrats to Timburles.
That's awesome. That is very good.
That's big.

Speaker 1 Like, that's huge.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you should enjoy this to everyone in Minnesota. Your sports history has just been so tortured and so painful.
This is big.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy stat.

Speaker 8 It's big, and it's also not a fluke that you dominate the Suns. You're really, really good.
And I have to think that they're going to be,

Speaker 8 I guess they could match up well against the Nuggets, right? Like, their defense is incredible.

Speaker 1 I don't think they matched up well against the Nuggets in the regular season, but I don't think that matters because I think the Suns matched up well against the Timberwolves in the regular season.

Speaker 1 So who the fuck cares?

Speaker 8 Yeah, their team defense is unreal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Anthony Edwards is him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Congrats to the I that's that's huge.
I mean, they are there. They've been building.
They've been flirting with it. Now They have gone to the next round their team on the rise.

Speaker 8 That's fucking awesome on the other side of it time to blow up the Suns

Speaker 1 okay, so

Speaker 8 Couple Suns stats they might be unblow-uppable

Speaker 8 Yeah, no, it's gonna be very hard I think blowing up the Suns is like fire the coach, even though it's his first season Matt Ishpia

Speaker 1 This has maybe been one of the greatest like guy guy buys a team rich guy buys a team who thinks he's the smartest guy in the world

Speaker 1 does a bunch of all-in moves, and it blows up in record time.

Speaker 1 We've seen it time and time again. This happens all the time.
Remember what Prokhorov with the Nets? Like, anytime a new owner shows up, they're like, We got to win right now.

Speaker 1 I want to do everything right now. The Suns have zero playoff wins this season.
They have zero first-round picks from 2025 to 2030.

Speaker 1 They have zero second-round picks from 2024 to 2030.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's

Speaker 8 trying to think how you're going to to get good players.

Speaker 1 They have one pick in the NBA draft between now and 2031.

Speaker 1 One single pick. That's insane.
They have Kevin Durant, Bradley Beal, and Devin Booker. They've also, like, think about it.
They were two games away.

Speaker 1 They were up 2-0 on the Bucs, and everything that has happened since then has been an

Speaker 1 all-out disaster.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's been very painful.

Speaker 1 And they deserve a lot more blame than they get. I think they just kind of snake by.
They should be shamed, shamed, shamed for the way they've gone out.

Speaker 8 Yeah, so today, I think KD had 33 points.

Speaker 8 Book had 47 points. Yep.

Speaker 1 They went out. They tried.

Speaker 8 Bradley Beale, nine points. Bradley Beal also, no trade clause, like we said.
And he's getting, I think, $50 million a year

Speaker 8 for the next three seasons?

Speaker 8 So I don't know how you blow this team up.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, they got to hope that someone wants to trade for Kevin Durant or if Kevin Durant says he wants to be traded. Kevin Durant,

Speaker 1 this is getting, it's getting on the ugly side of his career in terms of, I know that he had that one, which I mentioned at the beginning of the show, the one season where he almost single-handedly took the Nets to beat the Bucs in that game seven where his foot was on the line.

Speaker 1 But other than that, this has not been a fun few years since he left Golden State. Also, the Suns have not won a playoff game since Matt Ishbia took a flop against Jokic.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that was a big flop.

Speaker 1 So they've lost six straight games.

Speaker 8 But remember Suns in Four Year?

Speaker 1 Suns in Four Year was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what... That's...

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Kevin Durant now, with the Nets and the Suns, he's completely destroyed two franchises.

Speaker 8 I don't know that you can say he destroyed the Nets.

Speaker 1 Well, he went there. He brought Kyrie.
Kyrie obviously had a large part of it, but then he was like, I need need to get out of here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's not like they, I mean, the Nets are trying to rebuild, but they went all in with Kevin Durant, and then he's like, two years later, he was like, get me the fuck out of here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's going to do the same thing for the sun.

Speaker 8 That entire experiment in Brooklyn was just, I think there were three big reasons why it didn't work.

Speaker 1 Right, but it did feel like he was the one who was putting it all together. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And it didn't work. But this experiment also did not work.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So Kevin Durant, I think the only movie he has is Hope the Thunder will take him and they can win a title.

Speaker 8 Maybe it's coming home. Maybe bring him back to DC.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't know. This was,

Speaker 1 yeah, this was a crazy. They just absolutely dismantled him.
The Wolves are just so much better, and now the Suns are. Like, if you're Matt Ishbia, what do you do?

Speaker 1 That shot of him on Friday night when they zoomed in, and he was just like the saddest guy in the world. I don't know what you do.
You bought this team. You thought you were like,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm I'm going to get my big three. We're going to win a championship.
Look at me. I'm the smart guy.
And it's just all gone to shit.

Speaker 8 So let's go into the big book, the big bag of tricks of what a billionaire owner would do, like someone that's new to the business. You tried going all in.
You tried putting together a super team.

Speaker 8 That's not working. Now I feel like you got to go to your superstars and see who they want as the coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 8 And then you hire whoever your superstar says, and then that doesn't work out. And then now you've learned two big lessons in your first couple of seasons.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 8 But I feel like this is the exact time in a new owner's life where he becomes like, tries to be best friends with his stars. Yep.
And then gives them whatever they want.

Speaker 8 And then they're going to be unhappy, regardless of what happens, like one, one and a half years from now, tops. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's pretty much, that's the book.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the book. He's, oh, man.

Speaker 1 And he was doing his,

Speaker 1 he had his kids around him, I think, tonight, just maybe like soften the blow. Like, hey,

Speaker 1 don't make fun of me as much. My kids are here.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Bradley Beale did say, I've never been swept a day in my life, so I'll be damned if that happens. Ooh.

Speaker 1 I do, I do.

Speaker 1 No, actually, no. I was going to say I respect Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, like, not just

Speaker 1 folding in the first quarter, but no, I actually don't. I don't respect that.

Speaker 8 You don't respect that?

Speaker 1 No, I don't respect the Suns at all. I'm not going to give the Suns any compliments.
Okay. I don't think they deserve a single compliment.
All the compliments go to the Wolves.

Speaker 8 The Gorilla was cool. I love the Gorilla.
The Gorilla was cool.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Wolves are a complete team. I do think they can give the Nuggets a series.
Like, I think they can win that series. Yeah, I mean, why not?

Speaker 8 You have to think that Gobert against Jokic is as good as it can get against Jokic, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think we'll have, like, we're going to have both. We're going to have one game where Anthony Edwards probably

Speaker 1 shoots like two for 18, but then we're also going to have a game where Anthony Edwards is the best player on the court. Yeah.
And he just dominates because he is that guy. I fucking love him.

Speaker 1 We've got to get him on PMT. I have to get him on PMT.
Oh, maybe Tom Creen

Speaker 1 can help us get him.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Tom Creen. He's a Tom Creen guy.

Speaker 1 He's a Tom Creen disciple.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's finish up the show. I just want to give a quick shout out to all the listeners who had my back on Friday, and they're like, this is what America's about.
This sad loser that is max.

Speaker 1 tried to take one away from you and then you just through hard work beat him.

Speaker 1 It was incredible. Everyone was like, this is what America is about.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Is there any additional pressure on you, Max?

Speaker 1 Oh, there's so much pressure on him.

Speaker 2 Is there any pressure on you? No, he's going to get it.

Speaker 8 No, I'm going to get it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Max. I'm just going to

Speaker 2 continue to ask you every time this question is asked towards me.

Speaker 8 Okay, and I'm going to say, I'm going to get it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'll say the same thing.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get it together. No one believes you.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 8 I'm going to get it maybe this time. Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's do it. You know what? Maybe work hard like I did.

Speaker 8 I've been thinking about getting it this time.

Speaker 1 I made a promise. I'm the anti-Bradley Beal.
I made a promise and I delivered. So shout out all the people.

Speaker 1 And they even, even, even Hank and Max tried to take my joy away when Caleb Williams said he was number 18. It was so sad.
It was nasty work. You were being a nasty boy on Thursday.

Speaker 8 There was a lot of things said about him being 13.

Speaker 1 You were being a

Speaker 10 nasty boy.

Speaker 2 You did follow me around the entire office and be like, hey, I got 13 Caleb Williams number.

Speaker 1 Because it was.

Speaker 1 When I followed you around the office, what time was I following him?

Speaker 2 There was also a time where I asked you a question. I was like, is that going to be his number in the NFL? And I said, probably.

Speaker 2 No, you said, yeah, he's already said that that's going to be his number.

Speaker 8 You know, I was thinking about like, how awesome would it be to be a punter on a team and then you draft a guy and then he has to pay you like 40,000 bucks for your jersey?

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're like, if I were,

Speaker 1 you got to pick a team number to try to get a wide receiver quarterback.

Speaker 8 Like if you were a Browns punter in the 2000s or 2010s, I would change my number every year looking at who the hot quarterback prospects were going to be coming out in next year's draft.

Speaker 8 Try to camp camp on their number. So that way, when Johnny Manzilla comes in, you're like, got to buy.
Got to pay up.

Speaker 10 Shit. That's a good point.

Speaker 8 That's a good line of work to be in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, imagine if there was

Speaker 1 someone, because Keenan Allen is number 13, and Cale Williams' great teammate was like, no, he's a future Hall of Famer. I've got to give him the number.

Speaker 1 But imagine if someone on the Bears had gone 13, sold it to Keenan Allen, then went 18, sold it to Cale Williams.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you flip it.

Speaker 8 Now you're flipping jerseys.

Speaker 8 If you're a punter, if you're you're a punter or a kicker in the NFL, reach out to us. We're happy to consult with you and tell you what jersey number you should switch to ahead of next season.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Max, have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 2 PFT, have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 No, I asked the question about you, Max.

Speaker 2 I asked the question to PFT.

Speaker 1 Okay, but answer my question.

Speaker 2 I have not gotten it yet. PFT, have you gotten it yet?

Speaker 8 I'm about to. Okay.

Speaker 1 Max, will you pick my number for me today?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Please. No.
I want you to. I will not.
Because I could probably win with your number, too. I want to show you.

Speaker 1 I'm not going going to do that. Okay.
Numbers.

Speaker 8 20.

Speaker 1 Three. There's a ball up top.

Speaker 10 Yep. Six.

Speaker 1 Let's see. What's six?

Speaker 2 I'll do 18.

Speaker 1 Lucky number.

Speaker 8 99. Oh, Jake's going to be so mad if you get it, Madam.
Oh, he's doing it for Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I know.

Speaker 8 But Jake's going to be mad regardless.

Speaker 1 I got to think because

Speaker 1 I'm hot. I'm one for one in the last one.

Speaker 1 You know what? 99 pug. There you go, Pug.

Speaker 8 Max, when you looked in there, was 20 in there?

Speaker 2 Right, it was right next to 13. Yeah.

Speaker 8 That was a sad moment when Max was gone.

Speaker 1 Oh, Selsie's like, is 20 even in here? I can fucking find this. I can't see it.
I'll go 67.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 1 That was Shane.

Speaker 1 Max, did you have any losers try to say I look this time?

Speaker 2 Nope.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You probably tried.
You probably were Twitter searching.

Speaker 2 I didn't even look.

Speaker 2 I never wanted to look at that moment again.

Speaker 1 Memes, did you you say three or are you just holding your hand up? I said three, but I'm holding Pug. All right, don't do it every time.
It's going to hit.

Speaker 1 99 pug, the guy's hot.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Pug.
It's so crazy. This is so pug.
It's too much pug. Oh, my God.
This is too much, pug. You're so fucking good at this.

Speaker 8 So much better than Max.

Speaker 1 Facts. Is that your third time? Yes.
It's coming like clockwork now. Great job, Pug.
Pug, you're a fucking beast, dude.

Speaker 8 I don't know what to say.

Speaker 8 How do you do it? Right place, right time.

Speaker 1 Pug.

Speaker 1 Oh, congrats, Pug. I'm happy.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be happy for anyone except Max. Because Max is never going to get it.
Max, you ever got it?

Speaker 2 You'll get it one day, man.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. She laughs out of Pug right now.
Oh, no. Buy a shirt.
Another real laugh.

Speaker 2 Buy a 99 Pug shirt, Pug.

Speaker 1 Love you guys. Don't take away.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you, love of kings.

Speaker 1 going

Speaker 1 to take on

Speaker 1 the one don't want to take on Save

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 the Town.

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