Robert Griffin III, The 41 Free Throw Challenge, Super Bowl Clean Up And We're Low On Sleep

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have an awesome interview with RG3 in person

Speaker 1 from last week. PFT got a little emotional.
I did.

Speaker 2 I did. I didn't expect that coming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a great interview. So get excited.
We're also going to do a little Super Bowl cleanup.

Speaker 1 Full disclosure, we're taping this podcast at 3 in the morning after shooting free throws for the last 13 hours.

Speaker 1 The stream is still going on, but we thought we'd have to hop in here and tape it while we still have a couple brain cells left because none of us have slept.

Speaker 1 We're going to do hot seat, cool throne, which I'm sure we're very well prepared for. I am, yeah.

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Speaker 1 Today is Wednesday, February 14th.

Speaker 1 Happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day.

Speaker 2 Let's go, guys.

Speaker 2 You guys get each other anything here?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got you some lingerie.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 I've been needing some. So just to set the stage,

Speaker 1 Jake, what are you doing? Jake's showing a Valentine's.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's doing the Taylor Swift Heart that he invented.

Speaker 1 Valentine's, though. Gross.
The Taylor Swift Heart. All right, so just to set the stage, it is three in the morning right now.

Speaker 1 We've been streaming our horrifically awful attempt at hitting 41 free throws in a row for the last 13 hours. No, 11 hours.
11 hours. It probably will go for another 13 hours.

Speaker 1 We are literally in hell.

Speaker 1 And so we figured, let's just record the podcast right now because

Speaker 1 by the time we finish this thing, we will have not slept for like 48 hours and we'd be speaking gibberish. You get the last

Speaker 1 bits of brain cells that we have left running around in the top of our head.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it feels like my skull is in a knife fight against my neck.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we're soldiering through it.

Speaker 2 And Big Cat has probably, what, 600 points? Yeah, 600 points. Cumulative tonight, I think I've probably got about that many rebounds.

Speaker 2 Hank has that many minutes sitting on the couch. So we're all exhausted right now.

Speaker 1 I got benched. I just want to say, I'm here.
I just want to say to anyone out there,

Speaker 1 if you ever thought it'd be fun to like, like, hey, let's just try to hit 41 free throws in a row with with your friends? It's not fun. It's not fun.

Speaker 2 It's not fun, especially if a lot of your friends don't play basketball.

Speaker 2 We had a little moment where I thought it was going to happen when Pat Bev came in. Shout out to Pat Bev.
Made the drive down from Milwaukee tonight.

Speaker 2 The middle of the night showed up, and he just got to the line. He was wet.
He made like, I think, 12 in a row, something like that. Vibes were so high.
Vibes were high.

Speaker 2 So the worst part about this entire experiment is

Speaker 2 right at the start of it, you guys got down to three shots left.

Speaker 1 At 6.30.

Speaker 2 After the first two hours, I looked at Hank.

Speaker 1 I had three shots. I looked at Hank, and we both had this look like, oh, fuck, we're going home for dinner.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who's had more shots today? You or Patrick Mahomes Sr.?

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes Jr. looked like he was.

Speaker 1 Did you see him at Disney World? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or Disneyland? Which one's the world?

Speaker 2 Disney World is the one in Florida.

Speaker 6 They were at Land because it was closer to Vegas.

Speaker 1 California. They're in California.
But

Speaker 1 he looked like he'd been partying all night in Vegas and then was forced to go to Disney World

Speaker 1 or Land, which was very funny.

Speaker 1 He also said something interesting, which we kind of alluded to on Sunday. Credit to us.

Speaker 1 He said that Andy Reid had already explained to the Chiefs that they were going to go for two if the 49ers had scored the first touchdown.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was the plan. The Chiefs said Chris Jones, we talked about that on Sunday.
Yeah. Chris Jones.
I don't remember anything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so Chris Jones, the Chiefs were very well prepared for this exact scenario.

Speaker 2 More and more interviews with different 49ers came out, and they all said that they hadn't really talked about it.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I don't necessarily know if Kyle Shanahan talked to an analytics guy. I think there was probably like some guy on the sideline with glasses, and Kyle was like, what should we do? And then I was like,

Speaker 2 you always receive the kickoff. So I think that's what the Niners planned to do.
It did end up fucking them. I actually had a thought this morning because I woke up.
Just one thought.

Speaker 2 I woke up still thinking about the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 If you do get the ball first in overtime and you score, should you preemptively go for two?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I was thinking that as well. I don't think you would

Speaker 1 because then the other team can win with an extra point if you don't get it. If you don't get it.

Speaker 2 But it's something to think about. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be the only thing that could save the 49ers if they said, yeah, our plan was to go for two if we scored a touchdown, even though we didn't score a touchdown.

Speaker 2 Dan Campbell definitely would have gone for two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 Like in thinking back to the Super Bowl and the cleanup that we have of it, it really just goes back to the overtime decision.

Speaker 1 And there's one other play that stuck out when I was kind of going back through it all and watching it.

Speaker 1 It was in overtime when the 49ers had gone down to, I think,

Speaker 1 Chris McCaffrey ran that ball to like the 19, second, and two.

Speaker 1 And remember when we were watching the game and we're like, who's number nine? Why is he on the field? George Kittle was back from being in the locker room. He was ready to get back in.

Speaker 1 Christian McCaffrey had come out of the game because he needed a blow.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 why didn't Kyle Shanahan use a timeout there to be like, hey, we should have George Kittle and Christian McCaffrey on the field instead of Elijah Mitchell and the guy who got a holding penalty against him?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they didn't even go Ray Ray. They passed over.
They took Ray Ray out of the game because Ray Ray was on fire at that point.

Speaker 2 They put that guy into block and it committed just an egregious holding penalty.

Speaker 1 And I also think that the other thing people were talking about a day later was Kyle Shanahan, his offense sputtering in the beginning of the second half when they could have really stepped on the Chiefs and they never really like took that moment.

Speaker 1 I went back through. People are like, oh, he abandoned the run.
I never thought they fully abandoned the run. They had some bad penalties to start a couple of those drives that put him in bad spots.

Speaker 1 And I don't know. It just...
just sucks. Like, I don't think Kyle Shanahan is not going to get over this for a long time.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 this is a label that's going to wear on him. It is what he is at this point.
Like, until he wins a Super Bowl, we're just going to say, yeah, Kyle Shanahan is the guy that can't win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 And it sucks because he's a good coach, but he did run up against Patrick Mahomes, who, by the way, I don't know if you saw this.

Speaker 2 Hank, you'll appreciate this. Your good friend, our dear friend, Mike Florio, wrote an article praising Patrick Mahomes because he just set another all-time record in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 Most fumble recoveries ever

Speaker 2 in the Super Bowl by a single quarterback. And so he has that record.
And that seems like a record

Speaker 7 didn't get tracked till like 2002.

Speaker 1 Also is that just the bad snaps?

Speaker 2 It's a combination of bad snaps and also him having fumbles forced against him. Yeah.
And he picks those up.

Speaker 1 But was it like the three snaps that were so low that you had to pick them up off the ground?

Speaker 2 That probably had a lot to do with it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was seeing people saying that the Chiefs recovered like six fumbles. I don't remember that many fumbles.

Speaker 2 If it just skips to you, is that a fumble?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mike Floyer also is trying to get Andy Reid to retire.

Speaker 2 He is trying very hard, very hard.

Speaker 1 Ah, we kid, Mike. We're joking.

Speaker 2 This is the end of.

Speaker 1 We joke like that.

Speaker 2 We just because we love Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Valentine's Day, Mike.

Speaker 2 We love you.

Speaker 2 So, by the way, shout out to her, Valentine's Day. I think, sorry, Miley.
I'm sticking with her.

Speaker 1 Oh, you are? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've done a deep dive into her catalog today.

Speaker 7 Oh, nice.

Speaker 2 Pretty impressive. Nice.
Deep dive. She really knows how.

Speaker 1 Never mind. I'm not going to say that.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So at the end of this article by Florio, he said, does anybody think Mahomes won't be back to the Super Bowl? He's 28. He's He's only getting better.
He'll soon reach supercomputer status. Whoa.

Speaker 2 Where he'll know what to do before each play starts. Oh.

Speaker 1 So I feel like he already has that.

Speaker 2 He's just becoming AI. We've got AI Mahomes.
Florio thinks is going to start getting developed this offseason. Yeah.
I don't know. But I like the idea of a supercomputer quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do too. So supercomputer Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Gonna go after everyone.

Speaker 2 He's gonna get Neuralink.

Speaker 1 It looked like the party afterwards was very fun.

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift were singing Taylor Swift songs. It was squad goals.

Speaker 1 It was so fucking romantic. Me and who?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 If you're going to do Taylor Swift lyrics to me right now, at this hour.

Speaker 7 No, that's just girls seeing those videos being like, me and who?

Speaker 1 Me and who.

Speaker 2 Oh, like, like, one day I'll find my Travis. Like, I'm Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 And who is

Speaker 1 my tight end, like, Hall of Fame tight end who just won his third Super Bowl? Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Me and who?

Speaker 2 Goals, yeah. It's honestly goals.

Speaker 1 It's big-time goals. I just,

Speaker 2 something weird's going on with women in America right now. Why? They think that they are Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 Okay, go. Wait, hold on.
Women in America. Hold on.
Okay. Let me just get my seat so I can go back a little.
Yeah. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 All right. And I do have my gesturing pin out right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Shout out, Pug.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Pug.

Speaker 2 Every woman in America thinks she's Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 Yes. That is a fact.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a fact. Like, they're living vicariously through Taylor Swift.
There will be guys that get plastic surgery to look more like Travis Kelsey so they can start dating women.

Speaker 7 And every guy is living vicariously through Travis

Speaker 2 because they just want to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I'm not.

Speaker 2 No, Hank's right, because they want to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I feel like there was a little bit of time where I lived vicariously through Johnny Bananas. That was about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, I lived vicariously through Jackass.

Speaker 1 Jackass.

Speaker 2 I was like, that's just me and my friends.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Johnny Manzel.

Speaker 1 Eh.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 At A ⁇ M?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. Like, I guess living vicariously, though.
I'm saying, like, Johnny Menzel was an incredible quarterback. So it's like, I'm not going to be an incredible quarterback.

Speaker 1 What is it even is? It's a regular guy who just dominated the challenge. It's like, that could be me.
What do you think that real, you know, I was on Real World?

Speaker 2 What do you think the dude equivalent of Taylor Swift is?

Speaker 2 Like, a guy that every dude goes nuts. I think it's John Daly.

Speaker 1 It might be John Daly.

Speaker 8 There was a TikTok thing saying it was Shane Gillis.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 Shane is definitely... Yeah.

Speaker 2 Every woman's like, I want to find true love and settle down and just be happy for the rest of my life. Every dude's like, I want to get fucking hammered.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All the time.

Speaker 1 It's the perfect rom-com whenever they have like the perfect 10-female lead and then like a kind of a gross, pudgy male lead. And like, yeah, of course he's got him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I blame commercials for that.

Speaker 1 I blame King of Queens.

Speaker 2 King of Queens, sitcoms, and commercials. It's always.

Speaker 1 And Seinfeld. Costanza had the fucking fucking hottest girlfriends.
He did.

Speaker 2 Kramer got some babes too. Yeah.
But yeah, every commercial you see, it's a big, slubby guy with a hot wife, and he's like,

Speaker 1 why isn't that the hottest girlfriend? He had hot girlfriends.

Speaker 2 Marissa Tomej.

Speaker 1 Dude, he had the fucking model. Remember, he had the model picture?

Speaker 7 Yeah, but that was one episode, and he had the picture, and he liked it.

Speaker 1 Oh, he had some hot girlfriends. It's kind of crazy.
Jerry didn't get AIDS.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, like, I guess it was a little bit past his like early 90s, but he fucking slept around.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was very promiscuous there were definitely some s there was there was an episode that larry david wrote about one of them getting an std yeah what were you gonna say max i just wanted to make sure that everyone remembered that you haven't slept for 15 hours yeah

Speaker 2 this is the valentine's day episode hey why didn't jerry signpo get aids i maybe he did get aids and that's why they cut the show short oh maybe it was implied it's like well we don't really know how to wrap this up he obviously has aids yeah

Speaker 1 wait what

Speaker 2 we're talking about just frumpy dudes in commercials and it's always a hot chick and he's always like complaining about his nagging bitch wife, who's way too hot for him.

Speaker 1 I'm just picking my nose so hardcore on this.

Speaker 8 You just realized I said 15 hours, that would be nine hours of sleep.

Speaker 7 That's plenty balls.

Speaker 1 No, I'm on.

Speaker 1 I mean, you guys are probably in the same boat, but off of the Vegas trip, it's like the last four days, I maybe have slept a total of like nine hours total.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 It's pretty bad. It's

Speaker 1 getting a little foggy up in the old dome.

Speaker 2 We do have another storyline from the Super Bowl. We should probably talk about the ratings came out.
Oh, turns out a lot of people watched the Super Bowl this year. Most watched?

Speaker 2 Most watched show of all time.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 And that it beat the moon landing.

Speaker 1 Feels good to be part of history. Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 We fucking watched.

Speaker 2 We watched. We watched the one thing that everybody else watched.

Speaker 1 Fuck yes. What are you laughing at, Hank?

Speaker 7 One of my favorite tweets of all time from Clenny Balls when he said, I've been up for 16 hours and traveled from Long Island at 4 a.m.

Speaker 7 Everyone's up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ron was like,

Speaker 1 that's a regular day, Glenny.

Speaker 2 16 hours. 16 hours is what, 8 a.m.
to

Speaker 2 midnight. Yeah, I'm up for 16 hours.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm literally up.

Speaker 1 I'm up 7 to 11 every single day, no matter what.

Speaker 2 I can't get my solid 10 hours of sleep tonight. It sucks.

Speaker 1 That's incredible.

Speaker 1 What were you saying? Oh, it beat the moon land.

Speaker 6 112

Speaker 1 in your face. 4 million.
Hey, you guys can't laugh at us because you said you wanted to do the podcast right now.

Speaker 2 In your face.

Speaker 2 I love this.

Speaker 1 This episode rocks. This episode does rock.

Speaker 2 The moon kind of overrated, by the way.

Speaker 2 I think we've discussed that before in the podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 1 It's not made out of cheese.

Speaker 2 What does the moon have?

Speaker 6 Except for predicting lines games. True.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a valid point. Also, it used to protect us against asteroids.
That's why there's all those craters on there. Haven't seen an asteroid hit the moon in millions of years.

Speaker 2 Worthless piece of shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was supposed to be our fullback.

Speaker 2 It was our fullback, but the fullback got phased out. We're running the spread offense now.

Speaker 1 What else do we got?

Speaker 2 Moon landing and the Super Bowl, also both government psyops. Yeah.
Something interesting to think about. Facts.

Speaker 1 Oh, let's read a couple headlines real quick, and then we'll do a hot seat.

Speaker 8 Jason Kelsey also rocked at the after party.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That was my cooldown. Oh, sorry.

Speaker 1 That was my hot seat.

Speaker 2 Victor Wimbinyama had a triple-double, and he had 10 blocks. Oh, fuck yes.

Speaker 1 How about rules?

Speaker 2 So, not a bust.

Speaker 1 Not a bust at all.

Speaker 1 Steelers released three players, including QB Mitch Chariski. Oh, that sucks.
Yeah. That might be it for Mitch.

Speaker 2 If you loves something, set it free.

Speaker 1 I think that might be it for Mitch.

Speaker 1 Kale Williams had a GQ

Speaker 1 spread. He did.
Some spread. Some spread.

Speaker 1 You can have him.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. I'll take it.
Listen.

Speaker 2 I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 Like, I just, this might just be 3 a.m. talking.
I do want him on the Bears, but, like,

Speaker 1 you got to play in the NFL first, dude.

Speaker 2 You got to know the picture.

Speaker 1 He's putting up a lot of bullets and board material on himself in the last full year. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's another draft pick that.

Speaker 1 I'm going to sit there and be good for a little bit, and then you could do anything you want.

Speaker 2 There's another draft pick that wore a dress in a photo shoot for magazine. Went by the name of Ricky Williams.
That's true. He turned out okay.

Speaker 1 Mike Ditka. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Ricky Williams. Yeah, Mike Dika got married to Ricky Williams.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Legally.
There's Robinson's. Ricky's.

Speaker 2 By the way, Ricky's way hotter than Mike Dicka.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Dicka was kind of hot back then.

Speaker 1 In 2000s? Dicka was in his prime. That wasn't his prime, but in his prime, he was a good-looking dude.

Speaker 2 No, I agree.

Speaker 2 The strong.

Speaker 1 That's what men used to be.

Speaker 2 I agree. I think the 70s, 80s, 90s, Dick, that's a guy.
That's a man you can set your watch to. 2000s, Dicka.

Speaker 1 He's a little chunkier.

Speaker 2 No, thank you. 2010s, Dick.
2020s, Dick, hot again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Daddy. Yeah, no, he was.
Yeah, no, Dika was... That was what the strong men in the world look like.
They all look like Dikka.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What else? What else we got?

Speaker 2 He said, how about that D? He did, yeah. That's good.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Phoenix Open changed.

Speaker 2 They're going to change the rules because of this weekend.

Speaker 1 All right, that makes sense. Not.

Speaker 1 I don't like it.

Speaker 2 That was a good not.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I fucking got everyone.

Speaker 1 I bet you there there was one person in the car who was like, oh, shit, they're in for it. Not.

Speaker 2 I think you will see a complete operational change of how we manage, really, on our Friday and Saturday. Not only on the Friday and Saturday, but the entire week.
We're very proud of what we've built.

Speaker 2 We've been the tournament of the year on the PGA Tour five of the last seven years, but we don't like what happened on Saturday. The players don't like what happened on Saturday.

Speaker 2 Our fans don't like what happened on Saturday. And so nothing is off the table.
If you acted up like that at a live event, what do you think they'd do?

Speaker 1 Hmm. Probably give you a lifetime contract.

Speaker 2 Cut your liver out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 One or the other. Yeah.
That's kind of the two paths with the live events.

Speaker 1 It's the bone saw, or you get a billion-dollar contract.

Speaker 2 We should start our own golf league. Mandatory drunk fans.
We breathalize you on the way in.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You have to be, you cannot get into the golf match unless it's you're you blow a 0.2 or higher.
Yep.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 2 I like that a lot.

Speaker 1 That would be great.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Anything else?

Speaker 1 Anything else from anyone about anything literally anything we did jerry seinfeld as aides and and the moon landing so i think we're good i think we covered all the sports we could talk about any we've talked about all the sports i think i saw something about the 49er 49ers players didn't know the rules yeah they do overtime we talked about that memes i asked max if we talked i missed that yeah we did we did they did not know the rules it confirmed yet again that we know ball there's a lot of people who are saying we're stupid that the niners defense was gassed no they need to make that the regular season overtime rule.

Speaker 6 I really don't understand.

Speaker 2 You know what, Jake? I think I agree with you because it's weird having different rules for overtimes.

Speaker 6 And the excitement factor and the strategy and the risk involved is it's so different.

Speaker 2 And it's also more football.

Speaker 6 Because it's such a gray area. You don't, like, there is no clear-cut decision on whether or not to get the ball or not.

Speaker 1 Or they should just do college football overtime, which always has been the superior overtime.

Speaker 2 By far. And there are some people out there that hate college overtime and think it makes a mockery out of the game.
No, they go out there, they play football. It's good football.

Speaker 2 Do you know what they should do?

Speaker 1 They should do college football overtime, no kicking. Yeah.
You just like, it's just score a touchdown from the 25. Like flag football.
No, what? No, no. Where there's no kicking.

Speaker 1 Is that what you're saying? No, I'm just saying, like, there's no, no, I'm saying everyone could be able to hit, everyone can hit a field goal in the NFL from 25.

Speaker 6 Um, so like when you're playing flag football, it's either a tough, you score a touchdown or you turn the ball over.

Speaker 1 Sure, it's flag football. Just no, no field goal.
Yeah, it's flag football. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You can still punt if you want to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can punt if you want to.

Speaker 2 There'd be some hilarious coaches.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, you just only can score touchdowns.

Speaker 2 Todd Bowles would figure out how to punt in that overtime scenario. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or maybe do the dropkick field goal. Yeah.
Jake, everyone loved your halftime boomer. Congratulations.

Speaker 6 I'm glad it worked out. It was awesome.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 It was awesome. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 What? We got to get Jake in the booth. Like the recording booth.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. Singing some songs.
Doing a song. I'll do it.
Whatever you do. Oh.

Speaker 1 If we had Jake to wet-ass pussy.

Speaker 1 He should.

Speaker 2 We should actually make a song out of the Ray Allen tweet. Yeah.
Just called I'm Getting There. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we'll auto-tune the fuck out of you, Jake. Great week song?

Speaker 1 Don't we always do a Grow Week song?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have a song to take on me a remix.

Speaker 2 No, but like we should do an original song.

Speaker 1 But we'll use that. Yeah, we'll use that team.

Speaker 1 The song is a banger. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne.

Speaker 1 And then we'll get to RG3.

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Speaker 7 Hank. We forgot to talk about Ice Spice

Speaker 7 doing devil worship.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's my hot seat. Okay.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is love.

Speaker 2 What is that?

Speaker 7 Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan.

Speaker 1 Broke up. Broke up.
No. Fuck.

Speaker 7 I don't know if they're

Speaker 7 if they're not going to make it.

Speaker 7 I just don't know if anyone is in this world. I know it's Valentine's Day, but

Speaker 7 just a huge bummer.

Speaker 2 I would always look at them and be like, me and who?

Speaker 1 Me and who?

Speaker 1 Think MJ and Scotty will talk again?

Speaker 7 They're probably like, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 No, probably not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, probably not.

Speaker 1 We just nailed that announcement.

Speaker 7 And then my cool throne.

Speaker 2 It would be very funny if

Speaker 2 he texted him and was like, hey, man, now I get it. I'm sorry that was kind of fucked up on my part.

Speaker 2 I can see that now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Or like Marcus Jordan probably texted Michael Jordan. Like, yeah, you were right.
Probably shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Good point.
Okay. And your cool throne?

Speaker 7 Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 7 Absolutely blackout drunk at the after party.

Speaker 1 Look like a Chief Sodas guy.

Speaker 1 Every clip he was wearing the.

Speaker 1 Was it Rey Mysterio? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think it was Luchador.

Speaker 2 I think it was Rey Mysterio, yeah. Which is a Luchador mask, yeah.

Speaker 1 Was it a Chiefs one?

Speaker 6 I think it was Chiefs.

Speaker 1 He was wearing Chiefs gears.

Speaker 6 It looked like a Rey Mysterio mask.

Speaker 1 He was really.

Speaker 7 Every video was like the.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was

Speaker 7 Taylor Swift Super fans like, this is Taylor and Travis walking out. And it's literally just Jason Kelsey, blackout drunk, like stumbling over himself on the way out.

Speaker 1 I did not think that anything Jason Kelsey did for the entirety of the playoffs was weird.

Speaker 1 But going that hard at a Super Bowl party when you're in the NFL is a little weird. But he's not.
Why? It's a party. He's not in the NFL.
He's retired. Did he retire? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's in the Netherlands.

Speaker 1 He should follow his paperwork. No, he's retired.
You're right. Good point, Hank.
He's retired.

Speaker 1 Play on, Playa.

Speaker 8 And he rocks. I mean, tell me you didn't watch any of those videos and be like, I want to party with that guy more than anything in the world.

Speaker 1 No, I was like, that guy probably forgets to hit the button.

Speaker 1 All right, fine.

Speaker 8 If you're going to compare, if you're going to say that guy is like me, that's the best compliment you've ever given me in my entire life.

Speaker 2 Do you think maybe, like, at the end of the night, they go back to their hotels, Jason Kelsey passes out in his bed, then wakes up in like Taylor Swift's bed by accident?

Speaker 1 You guys can keep doing this. Like, this is flattering.
This is so flattering what you're doing.

Speaker 7 No, the video of them, like, walking in the hotel and just pans over, and he literally, like, falls into a bush because he's so drunk he can't walk.

Speaker 1 I walked out like three times. So funny.

Speaker 2 Do you think at any point in his career, Jason Kelsey's been like, Jalen Hurts, I want to suck your dick?

Speaker 8 My girlfriend did text me that video and be like, okay, I get it now. Because I always say that I'm just like Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 1 The parallels are there.

Speaker 2 I'm kind of into, like, at the start of it, I was like, it's a little bit weird that he's going so hard for the Chiefs. It is his brother.

Speaker 2 But at the Super Bowl after party, that's like, have you ever been over to a friend's house who's celebrating a holiday that you don't particularly care about? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But you just get really wrapped up in it because you want to have fun? Yeah. Like if you go over to like a really Irish person's family on St.

Speaker 2 Patrick's Day and you're like, fuck it, my family's 10% Irish.

Speaker 1 No, he was having a great time. He was, it's his brother.
I get it. He's at best.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was more just trying to bother Max, but I'm too, my brain can't even.

Speaker 8 You ended up just complimenting me, like the best compliment you've ever given.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this might be a reason why we need to sleep.

Speaker 1 Max can finally outsmart us.

Speaker 1 Fuck.

Speaker 8 I slept three hours last night, so.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you, I mean, mean, you're dumb. Like, we just gotten to your level.

Speaker 7 The thing that's going to fuck me up for this entire next day is that the podcast isn't coming out for

Speaker 1 another full day. Correct.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 There's going to be something that happens.

Speaker 1 If something happens, we're going to have to breaking news.

Speaker 2 I'm going to accidentally schedule the tweet to go out Tuesday morning for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 PFT, your hot seat cool throughout.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is humanity. Oh.
I'm putting all of humanity on the hot seat because I read an article today that the bubonic plague is back.

Speaker 2 So they found it in Oregon. Somebody caught it from their cat.

Speaker 1 I don't know that you could.

Speaker 1 Hog never had that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, watch out, Matt Eberflues. It'd be a real shame if he came down with it.
But yeah, that's just maybe a reminder: don't get a cat.

Speaker 7 Another booster coming.

Speaker 1 Another booster coming. They're getting us again.
Oh, isn't that election season? Oh, how about that? Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 2 Gas prices coming down at just the right time.

Speaker 1 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2 That'd be awesome if Joe Biden was in his office. He's like, we got to bring the plague back.
That's the only way I get re-elected.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was that?

Speaker 2 Joe Biden muttering, listen, Jack, I can't do a Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was like, yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 I wasn't even trying to do a Joe Biden. That was my Belichick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was Belichick. So Belichick's in the White House.
Bush or Belichick?

Speaker 2 I'm Joe Biden.

Speaker 2 We're onto 2024. We're onto Trump.

Speaker 1 What was the tweet?

Speaker 2 His tweet yesterday after the Super Bowl? That was Dark Brandon. That was the Dark Brandon meme.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was fucking weird. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 He was saying, he was saying, Joe Biden was saying, like, all the people out there that think that I put together Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey as a psyop and that they were going to win the Super Bowl because I want to get re-elected.

Speaker 2 I did it. That was my idea, and it worked.
That's what he was saying. Just like we drew it up.

Speaker 1 Okay. I might have to go out and shoot some free throws, boys.
This is going to be bad because they're going to yell at me so bad if I have to go out and shoot free throws. And I was sitting here.

Speaker 1 They're going to be mad.

Speaker 2 What's going on?

Speaker 1 They're getting there.

Speaker 2 Switching back and forth? Yeah, it's our song.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're getting there. You're a cool throne.

Speaker 2 My cool throne is Taco Bell. Taco Bell on the Cool Throne because they did a hilarious, awesome menu explanation.

Speaker 2 It was like the unveiling, like Apple does for their new products, where they have all the weird Apple fanboys and Jeff D. Lowe in the audience just creaming themselves.
Yep.

Speaker 2 And Taco Bell did one for the new menu items, which was awesome. It was this dude giving like a TED talk in front of a massive audience showing the new products that are coming out.

Speaker 2 Let me just say that the Cheese It Crunch Wrap looks elite.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 It looks, without tasting it, I can tell you that's probably on my Mount Rushmore Taco Bell Foods. Yes.

Speaker 1 Hank would agree.

Speaker 2 Probably wouldn't be on Hank's because his Mount Rushmore Taco Bell foods sucks.

Speaker 7 But all Taco Bell foods are Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but a giant Cheez-It, they invented a big-ass Cheez-It to put in the middle of a crunch wrap just when you thought science couldn't go any further.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It looks incredible.

Speaker 2 And they've got, I think they got like a Baja Blast pie.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, and they got the new green salsa. We got to go out there.
What are they down to?

Speaker 1 I think Dave just hit the 30th.

Speaker 6 I think Dave just hit the 30.

Speaker 10 Let's go. We gotta go.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back. And holy shit.
So if you're following along, we just ran out of the room in the middle of the podcast.

Speaker 1 It was three o'clock in the morning because we were doing this 41 free throw challenge. And it was my turn.
I was up on 39 and 40.

Speaker 1 Well, I choked. Missed 39.

Speaker 1 Back to zero.

Speaker 1 We're now sitting here seven hours later. I just hit 39 and 40.
Dave hit 41. We're free.

Speaker 2 We did it. We did it, Joe.
We did it.

Speaker 1 Incredible. PFT, incredible rebounding.
Jake got the ringer to show up.

Speaker 1 Max, memes, the boys stayed up. Everyone stayed up all night throughout the whole challenge.
It was really a team effort. No, everyone slept.

Speaker 2 I actually, so I walked into the studio because I had to grab my cell phone in the middle of the shooting and I saw a mass

Speaker 2 over in the corner kind of huddled up. And I looked over and it was a body.
It was a human body and it was covered in a blanket.

Speaker 2 And when I say covered in a blanket, I mean it was covered in a blanket, head to toe, like blanket.

Speaker 2 You know what? It was Hank. But at first, I thought I walked into the Heaven's Gate cult.
Yeah. And I thought that it was just filled with bodies because all I saw was Nike sticking out of the bottom.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But no, it was our sweet dear Henry Lockwood over there passed out of the corner.

Speaker 1 I also came in here and I sh what you are thinking of the wrong person.

Speaker 8 What no, that's memes that was in the corner.

Speaker 1 That was memes, Hank was in the corner. Wait, memes in the corner, yeah, Hank was on the couch.
Hank was on the couch, memes was in the corner. Oh, passed out of the corner,

Speaker 1 memes.

Speaker 2 You freak, do you sleep like that every night?

Speaker 1 No, the lights were on. Wait, I didn't know there were two bodies in here.
I came in, I just saw Hank. I actually, Hank was so out cold because I came in to get my keys and I had my

Speaker 1 cell phone flashlight and I turned it and it literally shone right in Hank's face like directly in Hank's face did not flinch at all little baby just kept on sleeping

Speaker 2 yeah that was crazy yeah I don't know really what to think we have not we have still not slept well these are some of my favorite shows because we we just kind of get drunk off not sleeping Yeah.

Speaker 2 So the shows get loopy. We make less sense.
Maybe we're smarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe we're smarter. And so it was a crazy, crazy 16 hours.
So what was the final shot counter? Jake, do you have it? I'll look. Wait, I have it.
I have it. It was 7,608 shots.

Speaker 1 16 hours.

Speaker 1 It was hell.

Speaker 1 We were just out there grinding. I think I came close to making 1,000 free throws.
I think I attempted like 2,000.

Speaker 1 So before 39 and 40, so I was terrible. My body's broken.
I was trying to hit the first two of the whole thing so that I didn't have to hit the pressure shots.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, I had to leave for 35 minutes to go get my son from my house and bring him to school. And then when I got back, literally walked in the door and we were like at like 35.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I knew that it was going to be me. And I had already missed it last time.
You were like 10 minutes ago in the podcast. I already missed 39 and 40.
I was basically shitting myself.

Speaker 1 Like, how could I do this?

Speaker 7 Did you have to explain to your son at all what you were doing? Did you try and, like,

Speaker 7 sorry I had him at home, son? No,

Speaker 1 daddy's had to hit some free throws.

Speaker 2 Daddy was working the line. Well,

Speaker 1 it was important that he got to school so that he could get education and learn like that. Don't do this.

Speaker 1 Be a real contributing member of society, not a podcaster. I would say the drive to school,

Speaker 1 I think I told my son probably 15 times that I love him so much because I was like, dad's going back to jail in a minute. I was like, I may never see you again.

Speaker 1 I kept on being, you know, I love you so much. Like, I love you so much.

Speaker 2 You know, I love you, but you also know that daddy is an influencer.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 these five minutes I have with my son here are the most precious five minutes because I'm going directly back to jail and I may never get out.

Speaker 2 It was a good time with the boys, though. It was a really good time.

Speaker 1 We're saying that now.

Speaker 1 The vibes, they were high.

Speaker 2 We had a great time. Everybody involved was excited.
We were into it. Great camaraderie, team building.
Wouldn't trade it for the world.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 I'm so fucking glad it's done.

Speaker 1 I'm so glad it's done.

Speaker 2 We're all the Popeyes meme, the exhausted chicken sandwich worker.

Speaker 1 I thought there was no chance we were ever going to get out.

Speaker 1 I thought we were just going to be fucked. It would have been fucked forever.

Speaker 2 It also would have been funny if we were not allowed to leave the room, eat, or drink, and we all just died in that room to make free throws. Well, there was, I mean,

Speaker 1 listen, I want to take a break from these challenges after Needle in a Haystack. This was dumber.
By the way, way,

Speaker 2 by the way, Needle in a Haystack was stupid as shit. This was a million times

Speaker 1 dumber. But I will say that these challenges,

Speaker 1 they're so, so like taxing on just your mentals and everything. But there is a part of you that like just hanging out with the boys.
I think we ordered 17 different types of food.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we got chicken. We got a bunch of McDonald's.

Speaker 1 We got McDonald's breakfast and McDonald's dinner within an hour of each other. Yep.
And we got blizzards and we got everything. It was,

Speaker 1 it was not fun, but it was fun.

Speaker 2 So when we started the stream, it was myself, Nick, and KB doing the broadcast of the event. And we were like, yeah, this is a good idea.
Maybe it'll be over in like an hour or two.

Speaker 2 You don't have a lot to commentate and talk about during a free throw shooting contest. Correct.
Especially after it reaches hour number four. And then KB had to go to the hospital for butt surgery.

Speaker 2 So Nick had to drive him. So unfortunately, they had to leave.
Damn. Thoughts and prayers to KB.
He's getting a butt transplant today.

Speaker 1 He's getting the Brazilian.

Speaker 1 Okay, so thank you, everyone, for watching. That was incredible.

Speaker 1 Everyone, we had like 20,000 people watching at 4 in the morning. It was nuts.
So always, always incredible to watch all the people tuning in. And it's been like, holy fuck.

Speaker 2 Shout out Pat Bev.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 He was... He's got a game.
He's got a game.

Speaker 1 He had a game and has a game. He's in between two games.
Yeah. Literally in between two games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he had 24 hours in between two games he came down to chicago to to pump up the boys yeah so appreciate pat bev uh okay my hot seat what was it supposed to be hank ice spice

Speaker 8 i didn't prepare is she on the hot seat debo's on the hot seat who debo samuels fetcher cox owned his ass on instagram oh owned himself

Speaker 1 i just know that you said you said ice spice i said no that's my hot seat don't ruin it but i don't have more hot speed hot hot seat god god ice spice was doing devil worshiping signs.

Speaker 2 Was she doing devil or was she doing the rock?

Speaker 7 I think devil.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait, what happened with Debo?

Speaker 8 After the Niners' game, Fletcher Cox had an Instagram story that said, 19 problems is Debo's Instagram handle. Keep the Eagles out your mouth.
B-O-E.

Speaker 8 I don't know what that means. I still got some...
I still got something y'all ain't got. Yeah, I've been holding on this.
Eat a dick.

Speaker 2 Wait, this is sad, Max.

Speaker 8 Why? I love that.

Speaker 2 Why is Fletcher Cox going at Debo?

Speaker 8 Because fuck Debo.

Speaker 1 Debo was. Because he said that if they had their quarterback, they would have beaten you guys last year.

Speaker 8 No, he was talking. No, he was talking shit.
He said the secondary is trash, which it was.

Speaker 2 Fletcher Cox is like, yo, bitch, we lost to the Chiefs by less points than you.

Speaker 1 No, you guys went to overtime.

Speaker 1 He was saying that he had a Super Bowl ring. Yeah.
Okay. And he doesn't.

Speaker 7 Which is fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That is fair.
He does have a Super Bowl ring.

Speaker 2 Make a quote card out of that. Yeah, bitch, we lost to the Super Bowl by less points than you.

Speaker 1 That's not what you do.

Speaker 2 Dash Fletcher Cox, probably.

Speaker 1 By one point less.

Speaker 8 That's just not a quote. That's not a quote.

Speaker 1 And I'm paraphrasing. That's not a quote, Torik.
All right, Mike Coulter on his vacation. We can go on our vacations.

Speaker 2 Let's go.

Speaker 1 That was scary.

Speaker 2 So, pretty much the second that last shot went in, I got a notification saying you can check in for your flight.

Speaker 2 And I thought to myself right before Dave hit that shot, well, I'm not going to use that. I'm not going to click that link.

Speaker 1 Listen, this vacation, I need it so, so bad. And the fact that it was in jeopardy

Speaker 1 really, really makes us embrace. This might be the best vacation ever.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 let's have the best vacation week ever, guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it really,

Speaker 1 we almost didn't have it. We were that close.

Speaker 1 All right, Chake, your hot seat cool thrown.

Speaker 10 My hot seat is people who don't think that people can hit 41 free throws in a row.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Sacks, Sean Quigley, losers.
They were wrong.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Even if it took 16.

Speaker 2 I'm on team Kristen Juschek.

Speaker 1 Fuck Quiggs. Yeah.
Fuck Quigs. Yeah.

Speaker 10 My cool throne is friend of the program, recurring guest, JJ Reddick. He got an in-season promotion, and he's taking over for Doc Rivers.
He will be calling the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's pretty

Speaker 10 Mike Breen and Doris Burke.

Speaker 2 That's a big step up for JJ. Also, big step underneath a much bigger,

Speaker 2 not a microphone. Magnifying glass.

Speaker 2 Microscope. Yeah, for J.J.

Speaker 1 Reddick. We'll be nice to him.
That's going to be a great booth. Was the Jeff Van Gundy firing the weirdest, dumbest thing ever in retrospect?

Speaker 10 Well, it's part of the ESPN layoffs, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I understand. But like, Jeff Van Gundy,

Speaker 1 everyone likes Jeff Van Gundy. What?

Speaker 7 Good for the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 7 He's a coach on the staff now.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 And what was... Or he's like an assistant.

Speaker 1 He's a Mark Jackson. I don't return either.

Speaker 2 Well, the only reason I like Mark Jackson is.

Speaker 1 I just knocked it out of the park, no disrespect.

Speaker 2 The only reason I like Mark Jackson is because it's soothing to hear him say Jeff Van Gundy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hand down, man down.

Speaker 2 Jeff Van Gundy.

Speaker 1 Jeff Van Gundy.

Speaker 1 So now J.J. Reddick's going to just be like,

Speaker 1 they're in zone, Doris.

Speaker 1 That's a good catchphrase.

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 1 some great high-screen action, Doris.

Speaker 1 Oh, sick. Yeah, happy for JJ.

Speaker 2 I am JJ. I'm also going to miss Mark Jackson Jackson just because he really dumbed it down to a level that was even too dumb for most people that were watching.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 JJ Reddick's, he might be too intelligent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. He's a smart guy.

Speaker 1 Dookie.

Speaker 1 Dookie.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 He's also got that championship pedigree at Duke, won all those natties there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true. Oh,

Speaker 1 damn.

Speaker 1 Didn't happen. Okay, let's get to our interview.
RG3, great interview.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, RG3.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, Heisman Trophy winner, Washington Redskin, now Commanders.

Speaker 1 You can see him on TV all the time with his takes. It is Robert Griffin III, RG3.
We've been looking forward to this for a very long time, so thank you for coming by. No problem.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I am, PFT probably has a lot more detailed questions because he was, obviously, you were his quarterback for a while.

Speaker 1 But I'll start with an easy one. Okay.

Speaker 1 Can you still play in the NFL? Yes. Are you retired?

Speaker 1 Technically, no. Okay.
I have not put in my paperwork or, you know.

Speaker 1 signed my anything with like the trust or anything like that. I've done that on purpose.
Yeah. Because I didn't want to have to do it twice.
But no, I just train every week like I'm a player.

Speaker 1 And then if I get the call, I'm ready to roll. I got calls this year.
I just, it wasn't worth it. You guys know how this goes.
At some point, it does become a business for you, too.

Speaker 1 And what I've been able to do on ESPN, and I got to make the right business moves and decisions. But no, I can still play.
I still want to play. I'm not afraid to say that.

Speaker 1 And I encourage everybody out there to, you know, don't be afraid to talk about your dreams. Yeah.
People laugh at you. I definitely, I am retired from the NFL.

Speaker 2 No, I'm yet to retire. Okay.
All right. If I get a call, like I'm ready to go.
My leg's still good. I'm good for 30.

Speaker 2 But yeah, you were telling me that the Jets, you were like, if they call me,

Speaker 2 you would have picked up that call.

Speaker 1 Correct. It was the Jets and the Browns, honestly.

Speaker 1 Now, I actually put out a post about why the Browns should have signed me. And then they wouldn't sign Joe Flacco.
And it was like... Well, that's a pretty good signing.

Speaker 1 You know, Joe Flacco, Super Bowl MVP, got a lot of respect for the guy. So I wasn't mad about that.

Speaker 1 And then you see so many guys went down this year, you know, from a starting quarterback perspective. It was crazy.
Yeah. It was kind of wild, but then those teams have to make a decision, right?

Speaker 1 They could go after a guy like myself. They can go get a guy like Cam Newton.
But how long are you making that commitment? And are you really trying to, are they, were they really trying to win games?

Speaker 1 Right. Was really the question.
So the Jets was an interesting one. I thought for sure they should have went and go, go get Joe.
Yeah. Like, Joe was just there.

Speaker 1 Like, go get him, pick him up and give him an opportunity. Look what he did with the Browns.
But some teams are willing to lose this year, and that's okay.

Speaker 2 So you're still fast? You still got the legs, still got the arm?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I ran a 4-2-8. You beat that Eagles.

Speaker 1 You had a bird.

Speaker 1 4-2-5-5 last year. So you were faster than you were.

Speaker 1 Fastest as I've ever been.

Speaker 1 It was hand-times. Okay, what was the wind like that day? The wind was horrible.
Okay. And it was a headwind.
Okay. Crazy.
On a track? It was not on a track. It was on a football field.
But

Speaker 1 they actually went back and recorded or timed it on the camera, and then it was a 4-3-8. Okay, so, all right, so we'll go with 4-8.

Speaker 1 We'll go 4-3-8. I'm cool with that.
Listen, that's faster than I've ever seen. I'm keeping me honest.
Yeah. I appreciate it.
What can you run a 40 in? Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Probably about a minute and a half.

Speaker 2 I did one two weeks ago for an advertisement. I ran a 4-4.

Speaker 1 He's lying, right?

Speaker 2 Okay, hand up. It was less.
It was 39.

Speaker 2 It was 39 yards.

Speaker 1 It was 39 yards. 39 yards.
You ran it. I just walked off.
Yeah, it was 39 yards.

Speaker 2 You can see it.

Speaker 1 TFT, you're on 4-4.

Speaker 2 Big Harbor was instructing me. He was my coach.
He timed it 4-4. It might have been like 30 yards.

Speaker 1 We've all had a coach that's like, you know, tried to boost this a little bit.

Speaker 1 He was like, oh, yeah, you threw that 75 yards. You're special.
Yeah, it was like a 35-yard throw.

Speaker 1 Question: I have for you, though, before we keep going. You mentioned the name, right? Yeah.
How do you feel about the team name? Commanders?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think it's a terrible name.
I think it's an awful name, man. Like, nobody was excited about it when it came out.

Speaker 2 I instantly wished it was still football team.

Speaker 1 Like, it makes me

Speaker 2 miss football team.

Speaker 1 The football team felt more exotic. Yes, and I think, yeah,

Speaker 1 it was like the simplicity of it actually was cool. Even though people made fun of it at first, they're like, Who do you play for with a football team?

Speaker 1 But it's like football, but then it's what you are. You think of like uh European soccer, right? Right, right.
Commanders, it's like, okay, we're the commies, yeah, commies, we're the commies, great.

Speaker 2 And it's so weird, like with a football team, you can talk yourself into it. You can be like, yeah, football, this is a tough, masculine sport.

Speaker 2 We don't, we don't need a cartoon bird, you know, as our mascot to like, but we're a football team.

Speaker 1 No pigeons, No pigeons. No pigeons.
No pigeons.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, I don't like that. I think that they're probably going to change it back.
Really?

Speaker 2 Well, maybe not back to football team, maybe for like a year football team, but I think it's not going to be commanders long term. Because if you've seen Josh Harris, I kept an eye on this all year.

Speaker 2 Josh Harris, he always wears the Washington hat, right, with the W on it.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 I've never seen him wear commanders

Speaker 2 on his shirts, and he always wears like a generic burgundy sweater. That is true.
Or a burgundy polo. And he's like going out of his way not to wear that word.

Speaker 2 So I think if you said said he's been on it.

Speaker 1 Like, this is, he's, he's been on it.

Speaker 2 This is my super.

Speaker 1 He's been watching. I think I've seen everything he wears.
I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory. I think there might be some truth to what you're saying.
Yes. I was team Red Wolves.

Speaker 1 I don't know what I like Red Hogs, too. I think the Hogs are awesome.
The Hogs are awesome.

Speaker 1 Red Hogs would be great.

Speaker 2 Hogs play football.

Speaker 1 Yes, they do. But you can see it.
And it's into the name. Yeah, it's like I think it's a lot of fun.
They have the Hogs, the offensive line right there. So I thought that was a perfect

Speaker 1 segue into that name. But

Speaker 1 they went with commanders so dance nyder said i'm gonna i'm gonna get you guys one more time exactly

Speaker 2 that was that was his double middle fingers on the way out i'm gonna give you guys the worst name in the history of sports enjoy it assholes oh now stephen a is calling us the the commodores on the on first date so easy like sunday morning there you go

Speaker 2 so um i i do want to talk about your history with the redskins so when when you were drafted um i'm not exaggerating when i say this you made me fall back in love with football again wow Your rookie year, I was at your first game in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 And it was cool because in New Orleans, you got family from there.

Speaker 2 And the Saints fans are obviously, you know, they care a lot about their team. They do.

Speaker 2 But after the game, I was just like, I was on Cloud 9 because I'm like, holy shit, I got a quarterback for the next 12, 15 years. And I could see everything going really well.

Speaker 2 And we walked into this daiquiri bar afterwards. And it's filled with Saints fans, right?

Speaker 2 And so it's me and two of my buddies. We're the only white guys in there.
We walk into the daiquiri bar, and it was a record-scratch moment because everyone's wearing Saints uniforms.

Speaker 2 We're wearing redskin stuff. And they just stare at us.
And we're like, I don't know if this is like a cool place to be. And then they started clapping.

Speaker 2 And then everyone started standing up and clapping. And they're like, we love Robert.
He's got family here. He played a hell of a game.
Like, we have to take our hats off.

Speaker 2 And so at that point, I was like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Like, I've been through a lot of bad football with this team.

Speaker 2 But now it's like, things are fun again. And so that rookie year meant a lot.
I wouldn't have started writing about football if it wasn't for that because I saw people like starting to hate you.

Speaker 2 And so I started that Twitter account in a way. So it was making fun of like random internet commenters.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I'm going to figure out how to hate Robert Griffin the most, like making fun of those guys. He did.
He did.

Speaker 1 He definitely did. Yeah, but

Speaker 2 it was a satirical take on some of the dumbest people online. And I was like going over the top.
And I remember at one point, you blocked me.

Speaker 2 i did yeah i definitely blocked yeah i definitely blocked because i think you unveiled like your new logo and i was like you know who else had a new had a logo

Speaker 1 hitler

Speaker 2 like not an not an actual i remember that

Speaker 2 it was pretty wild yeah so we got off to a rocky start i was like damn my favorite football player in the world

Speaker 1 i okay let me let me put it this way let me let me attack this in in um in every angle so first of all i you were getting a little emotional yeah i was because it was like, it was, it did make me fall back and love the football.

Speaker 1 You're getting emotional there. And can I give you a hug? Like, can we hug it up? Hug it up, bitch.
Hug it up. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He didn't mean to call you Hitler. Seriously.

Speaker 1 Now, PFT knows this because we've been talking recently over the past couple of years. And like you mentioned about the blocking.

Speaker 1 Really early in my career was like the first time when players were really being exposed to social media in a drastic way. And some of that stuff can get to you.

Speaker 1 So like for me, it was like, all right, this guy's like going way over the top, trying to comment on every single thing and every move that I'm kind of making.

Speaker 1 Let me just block him, not because I hate the guy, but just because I just don't want to see it. You know, like, let me just move past that.

Speaker 1 And, um, but you bring up the Saints game and the fact that a lot of people don't know that my family is from New Orleans. Like, my dad has seven brothers and sisters.

Speaker 1 My mom and dad were both born and raised in New Orleans, Louisiana. So that game meant a lot to me to be able to start my career there.

Speaker 1 And kind of what you talked about, it was a little bit of the hope that like the whole city of D.C.

Speaker 1 Felt when I first came there and was able to play at a high level. And that hurt me the most.

Speaker 1 Like I kind of felt like I had let the fans down by the time, you know, with all the injuries and everything that happened there in D.C., I felt like I had let some of my teammates down, like London Fletcher.

Speaker 1 I've told the story before. He was my locker mate.
And he came back in 2013

Speaker 1 just to try to win the Super Bowl. Like he was, he knew he was done, done playing.
Like, he was, he couldn't do it at the level that he wanted to anymore, but he came back and we bombed that year.

Speaker 1 I think we were 4 and 12. So, kind of that hope that you're saying that you got from me being there, it wasn't just from me.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it was also from the team and what we had put together that year in 2012. Alfred Morris.
Alfred Morris at running back. I mean, you're talking about Pierre Garcon at wide receiver.

Speaker 1 We had Fred Davis who was balling out at tight end. Even Logan Paulson

Speaker 1 was catching some touchdowns for us there. So I think that part of it hurt me the most was I felt like I let you guys down.

Speaker 1 So that hug was as much for me as it was for you, but I've moved past that now. And obviously we're doing great things now.

Speaker 1 How much do you think things would have gone different if the Redskins at the time just had a good

Speaker 1 grass management? Oh, I mean, the grass is horrible. I wasn't the only guy that got hurt there.
Yeah. I believe, I think either Reggie Bush got hurt there.

Speaker 1 Adrian Peterson, I know, got hurt there. Yep.

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow Burrow got hurt there.
Like there's, there was such an emphasis on making money

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 they were going to rent that stadium out for concerts and everything in between. And the grass management wasn't that great.

Speaker 1 It was like we were playing in the sand. Yeah, no, I remember the slow-mos of that playoff game and you trying to cut.
And it's like, that's a lot of sand that's getting kicked up right there.

Speaker 2 Before the game, you could, somebody did like a walk across the field and it was sand that had just been painted green. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was like, that's not, this is not a good good environment for a football game, especially with a quarterback that's got, it was an MCL, right?

Speaker 1 I had an LCL.

Speaker 1 So the first injury when Holodi Nada literally destroyed my leg on that hit was an LCL injury, which is this, you know, this ligament that goes along the side. I still can't feel that to this day.

Speaker 1 But then I ended up tearing my ACL.

Speaker 1 Maybe,

Speaker 1 I think I tore my ACL in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 Then I obviously played for the rest of the game, which I shouldn't have done. Should have been pulled out.

Speaker 1 I should have pulled myself out too.

Speaker 1 But we're warriors, right? We're out there. It's fight or flight.
We're going to fight.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 that injury certainly set my career back, obviously altered my career in many ways. And I shouldn't have played in 2013 at all.

Speaker 2 Do you, looking back on it, I remember you did the all-in for week one going into 2013. To me, when I saw that, I was like,

Speaker 2 I hope he doesn't come back early because of part of this marketing initiative. Because I think it was with Gatorade or something at the time, right?

Speaker 1 It was with Adidas. Adidas, yeah.

Speaker 2 I felt like it put more pressure on you to come back.

Speaker 1 But a lot of people said that, but I don't, I didn't necessarily feel that way.

Speaker 1 Like, name me one player who got hurt at the end of the year who wasn't all in to come back and play week one the next year. Right.

Speaker 1 Like the marketing campaign that was put on by Adidas didn't, I didn't feel like it put any more pressure on me. It's just when you're the starting quarterback in Washington, D.C.,

Speaker 1 and the team just won the division for the first time in, I don't know, was it 13 years or something like that in 2012? Yeah, everything you do at that point is going to be magnified.

Speaker 1 So was Carson Wentz all in when he got hurt for week one? Yeah, he was all in and he played.

Speaker 1 Was Joe Burrow all in for week one when he came back after his ACL? Hell yeah, and he played.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't have played, but it was because my knee injury was a lot more complex and significant than even I knew at the time. But that campaign had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 So I appreciate you bringing that up. Yeah.
Because I haven't really talked about about it.

Speaker 1 But like, there's not a marketing campaign out there that's going to make a player go play because they feel like, well, darn, if I'm all in for week one and I don't play week one, was I really all in?

Speaker 1 Like, no, like everybody's all in to come back from their injuries. It just so happened that people latched on to that, I feel like, because I was a quarterback for the

Speaker 1 Redskins at the time. So the knee injury, like, was there ever a point maybe a year or two down the line where you're like, wait, my knee is never going to feel like 100%?

Speaker 1 Could you feel like how different it was? You're like, my superpowers have been diminished a little bit. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 superpowers, we all feel like we're superheroes. I mean, you were the highest year.
No, no, no, like you know,

Speaker 1 we all feel like we're superheroes, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but it's kind of funny when you don't play, like you re-a, you re-evaluate everything.
Right.

Speaker 1 So, 2015, right, I got the stinger in the preseason game, got the, they call it a concussion, wasn't a concussion, got cleared from the concussion, then uncleared.

Speaker 1 That's a whole other bag of worms, yeah, conspiracy theory that we can unpack at some point. But that year I didn't play a snap.

Speaker 1 So I actually went back and I watched the 2013 tape and I was just like, oh my gosh. Like I had the big knee brace on.
I wasn't as mobile as I had been before.

Speaker 2 Was it Texans week one? Exactly.

Speaker 1 It was, it was just not.

Speaker 1 It wasn't, it wasn't Texans week. Texans was 2014.
That was week one. It was the Philadelphia Eagles.
Remember, came out. Mike Vick was the quarterback for the Eagles.

Speaker 1 We came out with the flag, and it was a great thing.

Speaker 1 We were back. Let's go do it.
And then we got Molly Watts. Yeah, Chip Kelly changed the NFL for a game.
He changed the NFL for one game. 100%.
Yeah, one game.

Speaker 1 No, I remember after that game, it was like, how is anyone going to defend us? And it was like, well, we'll just defend it. So, so when I, I mean,

Speaker 1 listen, you can't trade away all your best players

Speaker 1 and still be successful. So getting rid of Shady and what Deshaun Jackson, and then Mike, like, that's not the way to win games.
We're going to get slower. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's get rid of all of our dynamic players.

Speaker 2 We're going to play fast, but we're going to run the offense through Riley Cooper.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, Riley Cooper. That's a great name, man.
That's a great name. But no, the whole thing of going back and watching that in 2015

Speaker 1 let me see it for myself. Like I had watched that tape already, but I've got boatloads of time.

Speaker 1 I'm not just breaking down the team we're playing to help Kirk Cousins in the meeting room, but I'm like, well, what else can I do to try to get better?

Speaker 1 Let me go back and watch some of these things, watch some of my mistakes. And I just came away from watching that tape in 2013, honestly, disgusted.

Speaker 1 That's interesting because we've talked to players before where we've had that same kind of question: like, when did you know that it was different, whether it be injury or age?

Speaker 1 And a lot of them have said something similar that you don't really know while you're playing. But when you watch it, you're like, who is that guy? Who is that guy? Yeah, like that's it.

Speaker 1 That's not me. And I figured out a way to manage it and become, you know, somewhat efficient there in 2013, nowhere near as well as we played in 2012.

Speaker 1 But just going back and watching it, I was like, yeah, I shouldn't have played at all in 2013, gave myself

Speaker 1 a full year

Speaker 1 of just watching tape and watching the team and getting building those bonds with my teammates as opposed to I was on a side working out for like... what felt like eight months.

Speaker 1 Didn't get to practice, didn't get to really do a whole bunch of stuff. And that doesn't really put you in the best spot to go out and be successful.
But the bottom line is I did play. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 And what you put on tape is how they're going to judge you. And that's why it went that way.
So then you show up in 2014. Yeah.
And now you bring in Jay Gruden as the head coach.

Speaker 1 And I think I got hurt that game, like first game of the year. Yeah.
And I'm out for eight games or whatever it may be. Like that's tough.
You know, you're hurt. You're not available.

Speaker 1 You're not getting to develop. You're not getting to play.
You're not getting to build that trust. And I came to that realization in 2017 when I was out of the league.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you realize things when you have unlimited time on your hands, you can go back and reflect and be like, damn, okay.

Speaker 1 Maybe some of the stuff that happened was just like, damn, I wish that would have happened a different way.

Speaker 1 But the bottom line is it didn't work out in Washington because I just couldn't stay healthy. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Going back to your college career, I guess your high school career before that, is it true that Mac Brown recruited you to be a safety at Texas?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I actually called a Mac game this year with Drake May in North Carolina against Clemson, and I talked to him about it. And he's got a different recollection of how it all went down.

Speaker 1 But the bottom line is at that time in 2007, 2008, like if Texas offered you a scholarship, like you went. Yeah.
There was no debating.

Speaker 1 They walk in the building and they go to your coach and they say, hey, we want to offer this guy as an athlete. Because that's what he offered me as.
They offered me as an athlete.

Speaker 1 If you don't take this offer, it's off the table. I said, well, coach, I want to play quarterback.
So I'm going to decline the athlete.

Speaker 1 offer here and he walked now it wasn't mac it was the recruiting coordinator who i don't know his name i'm sure he doesn't work with mac anymore either after all the quarterbacks that he missed out on he also did that to johnny manzel Manzel.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 he was like, You can play safety, maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's like

Speaker 1 he walks out and he said, Well, offers off the table. They weren't even there to offer me.
They were there for a guy named Tanner Brock.

Speaker 1 That's a great name. Who it's an unbelievable name.
And he was a linebacker. Yeah.
Okay. Wow.
So middle linebacker. He was a sophomore.
His brother was our tight end. Great player.
Went to TCU.

Speaker 1 Named Logan. Logan Brock.
Logan Brock. That's a great tight end.
It's a great tight end.

Speaker 1 So they show up and they're like, hey, who's this quarterback? And I'm like, oh, awesome. Yeah, we think you can be an all-American safety.
Safety, huh? I'm like,

Speaker 1 okay, well, thanks, coach.

Speaker 1 I'll pass on that. But Mac was great about it.
You know, if the transfer portal today was there in 2008, 2009,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say, I don't know if I'd have stayed at Baylor. But Mac offered me a scholarship in the middle of the field, my rookie, my freshman year in college.
Wow. We had Texas.

Speaker 1 Texas was highly ranked. They had Colt McCoy, right?

Speaker 1 We had them 20 to 20 at halftime. Now, they kicked our ass.
ass, they beat us 42 to 20.

Speaker 1 We didn't score a point in the second half, but in the middle of the field, after the game, Matt comes up to me and said, We really missed on you, didn't we?

Speaker 1 I'm like, Well, I'm not going to be like, Yeah, you missed on me. I'm like, Oh, thanks, Coach.
I appreciate the love. And he says, You want to come to Texas? You can come anytime you want.

Speaker 1 Wow, that didn't feel good. It did feel good.
And I told my coach, and Coach said, Yeah, fuck him. Yeah, yeah, I'd be pissed off if I were him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, mind your own players, buddy.

Speaker 1 I mean, you, but you know, staying at Baylor was great. You win a Heisman, you're the you know, only Baylor player to win a Heisman.

Speaker 1 It feels like that program from you, like what you did there, their growth from there. I mean, don't they have a new stadium and everything?

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it's directly from you, but it feels like a lot of it is because of what you did at Baylor. Yeah, I mean, I tell guys this all the time.

Speaker 1 You know, I went to Baylor thinking, like, Baylor had just gotten beat like 76 to 14 by Oklahoma State. Right.

Speaker 1 So when I committed to Baylor, everyone in my high school is like, yo, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 You got Texas, you got A ⁇ M, you got Oregon, you've got, you know, Florida State, all these schools coming after you, why are you going to Baylor?

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, I kind of want to play all three sports. Yeah.
You know, I want to play basketball, run track, and play football.

Speaker 1 And Coach Browse at the time told me, said, You can come here and do something that's never been done before.

Speaker 1 And he believed that we could win the Heisman and that we could do all the things that we did. So the gratitude I have towards Baylor is more about the guys that were there when I first got there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I show up, I'm fast.
Everyone knows I'm a fast guy. And I'm like the 20th fastest guy on the team.
That's crazy. And as a, as a, I went to college at 17.

Speaker 1 So as a 17-year-old, I'm like, holy cow, these guys are super talented. Like, am I going to be able to be that guy at the college level? And I'm at Baylor and they just got their asses whipped by 50.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what I learned was that in college, there's there all these colleges have great players. Yeah.
It's about building that culture of winning.

Speaker 1 And it took us time to do that, to go from what we were doing to now seeing what Baylor has became over those years and then what it's been up and down over the last couple years has been nothing but enjoyable, but it wasn't just me.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that you had a big part in building that

Speaker 1 statue there.

Speaker 2 The statue of you in front of you.

Speaker 1 Not the coolest statue. The coolest statue ever had was the Subway one.
Oh my god. Yeah.
Remember that? Oh, yeah. The Subway statue? Oh, yeah.
Who was that?

Speaker 1 That was weird.

Speaker 1 Now

Speaker 1 let's be honest here, okay? That was pretty creepy. Yeah, it was very creepy.

Speaker 1 When I showed up, I was like, oh, my God, my hair was like jalapenos.

Speaker 1 I think they were like olives.

Speaker 2 Olives was like

Speaker 2 some of the hair of the face.

Speaker 1 It was honestly unbelievable because they told me like, hey, we got a surprise for you. And I'm like, what is it? It's a sandwich that looks like you.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay, guys. Well, I'm not eating it.
I'm not eating this sandwich. But nah, that was an interesting time.
Obviously, we're all content creators. We're all in this space.

Speaker 1 They were definitely searching and trying to find something that hit and it did not hit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Trying to get people to stop talking about Jared. They're like, I know what we can do to to

Speaker 1 make the ugliest story.

Speaker 1 We don't want to talk about that. That worked, which they shouldn't, right?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 let's be honest here.

Speaker 1 But yeah, let's get them to talk about RG3 and the sandwich that looks like him. The sandwich that piece was made out of sourdough or something, right?

Speaker 2 There's a lot of stuff that I like to talk about about those Redskins teams because, again, it was a very impactful time for me as a fan. And there was so much being written about you.

Speaker 2 It was like they realized that anything that they wrote about Robert Griffin and the Washington Post, like it's going to be a big story no matter what.

Speaker 2 And there was a lot of back and forth, back and forth about what happened after that rookie year where you wanted to protect yourself. You didn't want to run the ball.

Speaker 2 And after getting hit by Hilodinata, where your leg wraps around the side of his body, I think it's a pretty reasonable thing to say.

Speaker 2 But there's a lot of back and forth of like, I want to be a pocket passer.

Speaker 2 And then Mike Shanahan didn't want to adjust his offense or Kyle didn't want to adjust his offense. And I don't, honestly, I have no idea what the truth was.
Right, right.

Speaker 2 So, like, after that season, what were the conversations like with you and the coaching staff?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you want the truth. The truth, yeah, capital T.
You want the truth with the capital T.

Speaker 2 Stand on business.

Speaker 1 Stand on business. All right.
So, listen, a lot of the stuff, and when I say a lot, like if somebody said, hey, RG3

Speaker 1 was 14 of, I don't know, 22 for 105 yards, a touchdown, and a pick, like that's a fact. Right? That's in the stat sheets.
You can't argue that.

Speaker 1 Now, you can manipulate or talk about how you feel that person played in that game or whatever.

Speaker 1 But once it became like personal attacks, that's where it was like for me and my family, I was like, I don't know how to handle this because I had never experienced anything quite like that.

Speaker 1 So, to your point, where there's a guy like Rob Parker who actually worked at ESPN at the time,

Speaker 1 you know, saying what he said about me, calling me a cornball brother, which is just ridiculous, but and making claims about like, you know, my political affiliations or whatever it may be.

Speaker 1 It was like, it was, it was, it was open season on let's try to dissect Robert Griffin III in as many possible ways as we can.

Speaker 1 So, to answer your question flat out about Mike and Kyle, it wasn't about me wanting to be a pocket passer. Name a quarterback who does not want to be a pocket passer.

Speaker 1 Like, that's not, it wasn't a valid statement. The issue there in Washington wasn't about pocket passer or running.
It was more so about what are we asking from me.

Speaker 1 You know, I had this conversation with Mike Vick on my show on RG3 and the ones, and they said, listen, if we call quarterback draw on third and 15, just tell me what you're trying to accomplish.

Speaker 1 Like, do you want me to go get 16 yards? Right.

Speaker 1 Because if you want me to go get 16 yards, I'm going to go get 16 yards.

Speaker 1 And in my rookie year, I took a bunch of hits on those types of plays going to get those 16 yards.

Speaker 1 So after the season, we had a conversation. We talked about it.
And they said, no, we just want you to get positive yards and protect yourself.

Speaker 1 So the conversation wasn't, hey, let's not run this play.

Speaker 1 Let's not run that play. The conversation was about, coach, I want to know what you're asking from me.

Speaker 1 And once I know that, boom, I can protect myself and I can do that. Now, what I will say is that when it comes to coaches and players, probably you guys as well,

Speaker 1 everybody's got an ego. And at the end of the day, it's about managing those and having good relationships.

Speaker 1 And for whatever reason, because of the injury, because of the injury, it made Mike and Kyle look a certain way. And they did not like that.

Speaker 1 And there was honestly nothing I could do about that. Immediately after the game, I'm sure you guys can probably find it somewhere.
They asked me, hey, did you want to come out the game?

Speaker 1 And I had Mike's back. And I said, no, I wanted to play.
I wanted to be out there. I wanted to do this.
I wanted to do that. But because of that onslaught of, it was bad.

Speaker 1 I didn't even remember. That onslaught of the media attacking your head coach, even though I had his back and said, no, I wanted to do this.
I wanted to do that.

Speaker 1 It didn't, that burned the relationship really, really bad. Yeah.
And it made it to the point where it was like, all right, F that guy. And I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 Mike Shanahan was my dream coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was a Bronco fan growing up, right? John Elway, Shannon Sharp. I knew the damn sinner.
Tom Nalen. Yeah.
Okay. Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey.
actually, you know, exactly, Mark Schlerth.

Speaker 1 I knew these guys like the back of my hand. So when I got drafted to Washington, I'm like, oh my God, Mike Shanahan is going to be my coach.
This is incredible.

Speaker 1 And because of that whole injury thing, as you guys have probably come to find out in any industry, it can become a huge blame game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And in that blame game, and then you figure out that there's issues with the owner and the head coach. And I didn't know that shit when I got to D.C.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, I got to D.C., I didn't even know that the Redskins at the time played in Maryland. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Practice in Virginia, play in Maryland.

Speaker 1 We fly in from the draft, and we land at Dulles Airport. Yep.
Right. In the private jet.
I don't fly private a lot, by the way, but in the private jet.

Speaker 1 And they're like, yeah, we're in Dulles, Virginia. And I'm like, or Dulles, you know, at the airport.
And I'm like, why are we in Virginia? Why are we in Northern Virginia?

Speaker 1 Oh, well, we actually practice in Ashburn, Virginia.

Speaker 1 I said, okay, well, where's the stadium? Oh, well, we play in Landover, Maryland. Right.
I'm like, so we're the Washington Redskins, but but we don't do anything in Washington. Right.

Speaker 1 You know, so, like, I didn't know a lot of things when I first came into the league, but going through that process has actually helped me in this part of my life. Right.
Right.

Speaker 1 Knowing how to tell guys stories, knowing how to respond, how to talk to the media. So, like, I'm not bitter about anything.

Speaker 1 I learned from all the mistakes that I made. I learned from the things that happened to me, and I try to push it forward.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of stuff that was going on. behind the scenes before you ever got there that I feel like led to some of the stuff that ended up blowing up in the media.

Speaker 2 And honestly, I do blame Dan Snyder for your injury. Like I blame the condition of that field at the time was like unplayable.

Speaker 2 So like it's, there's no, I don't think there's animosity from the Washington fan base towards you. I think like you had an incredible year when you were healthy.
Right.

Speaker 2 And then everything just blew up after that, but it was all because of that one incident. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to say, just on the coaches, you went from Mike Shannon, who was your dream coach, to your real dream coach in Jay Gruden.

Speaker 1 Has that beef been squashed? No, no, listen. Oh, it's still, we can still active beef.
I like that. No, no, there's no active beef.

Speaker 1 And to be quite honest, I'll answer your point about, and then I'll get to Jay. Yeah.
Because they'd see everyone wants to talk about the Jay thing.

Speaker 1 Well, you're just talking about dream coaches, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We might as well talk about

Speaker 1 Jay Gruden.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 1 So that was what I didn't understand. Yeah.
Was that before I got, like, guys, I wasn't a Washington Redskins historian. Like, when I got there, I was learning a lot of stuff on the fly.

Speaker 1 So I didn't know a lot of the stuff about Dan that had transpired before. And then I didn't know anything about any type of like internal struggles between him and Mike.

Speaker 1 So it was like, when you say, like, hey, if, if I'm an evaluator, I'm a GM. Like, I'm never drafting a quarterback into a situation where there's a split in the building.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like, don't do that because the kid's not going to be able to have the best chance to be successful. It doesn't mean you can't be successful because we were very successful in 2012.

Speaker 1 yeah and all that stuff was just festering in the background but we were winning yeah so winning kind of quells all of those things once we stopped winning it was it i don't think i've ever seen a team go from what we had in 2012 to what we had in 2013 yeah and the coach being out like that no it's i've never seen anything quite like it's a great point it i mean

Speaker 1 I'm a Bears fan and it feels like the Bears constantly do this where like they draft a quarterback, then they fire the coach after a year and you're like, wait, so now the guy who wanted the quarterback is not here anymore.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, this guy has no chance to succeed. Yes.
And it's not to say no chance. But it's harder.
It's hard. It's harder.

Speaker 1 Like with Bryce, with Bryce Young, like, I don't know what the dynamic was, and I don't want to speculate on who wanted who, when, where, how.

Speaker 1 But I do know that only one guy is there that made the decision. That was part of the decision-making process of who the quarterback was going to be.

Speaker 1 And it's not the head coach, the OC, or the quarterback coach. They're all gone.

Speaker 1 So I don't know who wanted who or what happened, but you can't draft a guy if everybody's not going to be in lockstep to help develop that guy. And I do think

Speaker 1 a lot of NFL fans don't fully realize how much these front offices kind of are at odds at times where it's like,

Speaker 1 these are my guys. And if you hire a new GM or a new coach, they're like, fuck these guys.
These aren't my guys. It's unbelievable.
It's crazy. It's

Speaker 1 honestly, it's the Daniel Jones dynamic with the Giants. Like,

Speaker 1 why did they decide to pay Daniel Jones? A lot of that is, you know, they don't want to admit that

Speaker 1 they made a mistake. Yeah.
But GMs, coaches,

Speaker 1 personnel guys, they're all trying to make a name for themselves. So if they find that Brock Purdy, right? Yeah.
Now they're like, this is the guy that found Brock Purdy.

Speaker 1 And everyone in the coaching circles is talking about that. They're going to hold on to what they possibly can.
And they don't want to, like Mitch Trubisky, unfortunately, right?

Speaker 1 They don't want to be like, yeah, I'm the guy that drafted Mitch Trubisky. Right.
And no disrespect to Mitch. No, but yeah.

Speaker 1 It's more of just like they don't want to be connected to those types of things.

Speaker 2 You've probably got like nine people in San Francisco that are like, yeah, it was my my idea to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're all telling everybody it was my pick. I'm the one that did it.

Speaker 1 Isn't there a saying like success has like a million fathers and failure has one or something like that?

Speaker 1 It really is. I don't know if that's a saying.
It might just be a genius.

Speaker 1 So then you get to the point where some NFL execs or decision makers,

Speaker 1 they operate on opposite sides of the spectrum, more like what we do. Not what we do, because we're like, you guys are phenomenal, right? Thank you.

Speaker 1 We don't do this. There's people that operate on the far right and people that operate on the far left.
So now they're either holding on too long to a guy

Speaker 1 or they're not giving him enough time. Yeah.
No, it's true. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 There's a balance there. If you're going to draft a quarterback and you're going to give up, I don't know what did Washington give up? I think it was like

Speaker 2 three ones and two twos and two twos.

Speaker 1 I don't remember. It was a lot.
Yeah. Right.
They got the whole list of the Rams players that were acquired because of the trade.

Speaker 1 If you're going to put all that into a guy, you got to give him more than two years. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to make the structure be to all right. This is a nice two, three year four run where we're going to fully develop this guy.

Speaker 1 And if you don't do that for the quarterback and you have a terrible, terrible team, right? In 2012, we weren't a terrible team, but we were three and six at one point.

Speaker 1 We won seven straight games down the stretch, right? But if you're going to teams that have not been very good, sorry about the Bears. Yeah, no, sorry.
You know what I mean? You can't hurt me.

Speaker 1 I know it's a tough.

Speaker 1 But if you do that you can't like go with justin fields and be like all right let's give him a year and a half and see if he can get it done no it's true he's been bad for a long time long time you got to i know

Speaker 1 that guy i'm sorry about that

Speaker 1 i'm bad at the beef

Speaker 1 long time so i'm sorry all right so so jay grooden the beef yes the beef with jay is done right and and here's what

Speaker 1 um to be quite honest i think it was a mutual thing okay it's never fully mutual that's very true but here's what i will say okay

Speaker 1 uh i was not searching for a beef with jay Jay said something about Jalen Hurts. Someone tagged, a bunch of people tagged me in it.
So I saw it. You guys know how this goes.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Social media, we're having a good time, having some good laughs. I posted

Speaker 1 the picture of me with the eyes like, say, what?

Speaker 1 Like, we're having a good time. Jay took it somewhere else.
Yeah. Once he took it there, it's like, okay, well, coach, I, you know.

Speaker 1 You've done some things towards me that nobody really knows about.

Speaker 1 So then when I put that out there about the press conference in Washington where I challenged the team, and this guy asked me to do that, and then he didn't have my back, and then doubled down on it in a team meeting that was just

Speaker 1 very not even hurtful, but it was just like, man, what the hell is going on here? You asked me to do this. Why don't you have my back in this? Right.

Speaker 2 So, he asked you to challenge your teammates because one guy can't do it by himself. He told you to do that.
Correct. And then you said it in a press conference.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 2 Was there like a miscommunication where he was like, you need to challenge the guys, but not in a press conference?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. He said,

Speaker 1 need we need somebody to step up

Speaker 1 and tell the guys, challenge them in a public forum. Did he come to me and say, hey, Robert, I want you to challenge the guys at the press conference right after the game,

Speaker 1 after we just lost? Yeah. And it's very emotional.
No, he didn't say that. But he asked me to challenge the team in a public forum if we were continuing to not experience the success that we wanted.

Speaker 1 And after that happened, and then what everything that I already talked about transpired, I was just like, all right, what am I now supposed to do?

Speaker 1 And this is a thing that I think players need to hear. I know that

Speaker 1 you guys' fan base is phenomenal and they listen to what you guys say and they want to have a good time.

Speaker 1 But players need to know that there's a reason that the mainstream media has the coaches' backs.

Speaker 1 And it's because no matter how long you play,

Speaker 1 that coach is going to coach longer.

Speaker 1 Tom Brady played for 21 years.

Speaker 1 I mean, Bill Belichick's how old? 79, 9,000 9,000 years old? What is he? 104? You know what I'm saying? Like he's been coaching for a really, really long time.

Speaker 1 That relationship with that coach is more important than that relationship with the player.

Speaker 1 So when you see narratives like Russell Wilson and you see like, okay, there's like one or two guys that are talking, you're not bad about Sean Payton, but just about what he did wrong.

Speaker 1 No one else is. Why? We did.
Yeah, we said it was. Because y'all are real ones.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's so messed up. Yeah.
But there's more people that won't because they know that Russell Wilson is probably going to be done in five, six years.

Speaker 1 And Sean Payton's going to probably still be coaching. And the people in Sean Payton's coaching tree are going to continue to be coaching.

Speaker 1 So it's an interesting dynamic there for players. Sometimes as players, we have to bite the bullet.
Yeah. And we have to do what's best for the team by not saying that.

Speaker 1 So that story that I shared, that story is nine years old.

Speaker 1 It's never been told, though. Why? Because I was in the NFL.
And if I tell that story about Jay Gruden, I'm not getting another job.

Speaker 1 What coach is going to want to work with a guy that you tell the story about what the coach told you, and then he didn't have your back? And it's like, they don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 So now at this point, when I'm basically retired, I'm like, okay, cool, Jay. You want to try to burn bridges or you want to make a joke about me racing a pigeon?

Speaker 1 Which I didn't race a pigeon, by the way. It was an eagle.
It was an actual, it wasn't an eagle either. It was a hawk.
It was a hawk. It was a hawk.
It was a hawk. It was a fastest bird.

Speaker 1 And I'm sorry that I can do things that.

Speaker 2 You dusted the hawk.

Speaker 1 Don't just say raced the hawk.

Speaker 1 I'm 2-0 versus Tame of the Hawk. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2-0.

Speaker 2 You raced him twice? Raced him twice.

Speaker 1 Raced him last year. They wanted a rematch because they said he pulled up at the line.
So I said, okay. So they put the Hawk's trainer 10 yards back from the finish line this time.
No excuses. Okay.

Speaker 1 So don't punish me because I can beat a Hawk that can fly at 120 miles per hour.

Speaker 1 Tabor's going to hear this immediately. And

Speaker 1 I'm more material. If that Hawk attacks you, I might beat the Hawk.
I might be like,

Speaker 1 RG3 talked a lot of shit on that hawk. Listen, so I'm 3-0 versus Wildlife because I also beat Dubs II from Washington, the live mascot.
So I'm 3-0 versus Wildlife.

Speaker 1 I'm open for any suggestions, of course, but I'm not going to stand here and allow anyone to badmouth Tama and or pigeons. Okay? Pigeons are legendary.
Yes. All right.

Speaker 1 And I'm not going to throw any other shots. So Jay, you know, Jay came out and basically apologized.

Speaker 1 So it's good. I had like 30 minutes.
Yeah. I had like 30 minutes of ether for him.
Yeah. But I decided to put that

Speaker 1 in the back pocket because I'm not going to throw punches at someone who has their hands down. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, that's fair.
Put your hands up, Jay, and we can keep doing it. If not,

Speaker 1 we're done. But if you want to, we can do it.
But if you want to. We can do it.

Speaker 2 Pigeons also helped us win World War II. So you got to respect pigeons.

Speaker 1 You read the tweet. You read the tweet.
It helped us win World War II. Carried messages.
Yeah, absolutely. So now we're carrying a message to everyone out there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't throw punches at people with their hands down, but if they throw one,

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Speaker 1 I got a non-football question for you.

Speaker 1 And your lovely wife is here.

Speaker 1 What happened with the flight, the Southwest flight? and you leaving for the birth of your child? Oh, yeah, that's a great one, actually. Because we were like, where's the child?

Speaker 2 I was like, wait a second.

Speaker 1 Wait a second.

Speaker 1 We're going to need a birth certificate.

Speaker 2 Taylor Luan basically broke down in tears and helped escort you out of the stadium.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 now there's no Robert Griffin in the second half of this game. That is the best thing.

Speaker 1 Also, where's the child? Like, I actually had this. exact thing happen in the birth of my third child.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We were going to West Virginia for our rough and rowdy fights, got to the green room, and wife called me and was like, my water just broke.

Speaker 1 Get right back on the plane and go back. So little Solan Valer, I need to know when this child was born.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 first you said the flight with the child and immediately my mind went to

Speaker 1 when our baby was that Gamea? When Gamea was born, I was in Baltimore. Okay.
And I actually, Coach Harbaugh let me miss the flight to be there for the birth of my child.

Speaker 1 And then I had to fly southwest with the Ravens fans,

Speaker 1 essentially, to get to the game, threw a touchdown, did a whole story on it. So that's where my brain went at first.

Speaker 1 You're talking about running off the field

Speaker 1 at the fiesta ball

Speaker 1 two years ago, I bet you basically now. So

Speaker 1 babies won.

Speaker 1 The babies won, but it was,

Speaker 1 you know. So it took a whole year for the baby to be born.

Speaker 1 That's a good one.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 you know what? Yeah. So at the end of the day, so I get the call from Grete

Speaker 1 that, listen,

Speaker 1 I think I'm going into labor.

Speaker 1 I had already pre-talked about it with the group. Like, hey, there's a good chance that

Speaker 1 I'm on high alert.

Speaker 1 It was risky to actually fly to the Fiesta Bowl, but because Pat McAfee asked me to do the, you know, the alternative

Speaker 1 cast from the sideline, I'm like, you know what? I got a lot of respect for Pat. He's doing a great job.
I'll do it. I'll make sure I'm there.
It was Taylor Lawan,

Speaker 1 AQ Shipley,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 Cole Kublick. Yeah, exactly.
So,

Speaker 1 it was like, it was a great, great group. But I'm like, I think if I get the call, these guys can carry.
They can carry the broadcast. These guys are phenomenal.

Speaker 1 So we're all laughing about it before the game. Like,

Speaker 1 yo, it'd be pretty sweet if

Speaker 1 we just did it anyway. You know?

Speaker 1 Like, what if we just

Speaker 1 act like it happened? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 When I get the call, I'm thinking like, okay,

Speaker 1 this is fake. She's not really going into labor.
Right. And

Speaker 1 so their reaction, I don't know if they knew if it was real or not,

Speaker 1 but then I get the call and I'm like, no, I got to go. So like that, from that point on, I don't know if they actually knew.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like he actually got the call and his wife is going into labor or if it was just like, well, we were kind of joking about this earlier. Like, what's going on here? Yeah.
So I got the call.

Speaker 1 It was a real call. I ran off the field.
That was all legit. So I get to the airport, the southwest flight.
So now I'm on the plane flying home.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking to myself, well, damn, I've got all these pictures in my phone of my wife from like a pregnancy shoot that we did, and I'm not going to get a chance to post them. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 The real problem is that I'm going to be talking about it.

Speaker 1 So I'm like,

Speaker 1 one, I don't know if I'm going to make it to the birth of my child, but I've got to get these pictures off.

Speaker 1 So I'm on the plane and I get, I buy Wi-Fi, you know, it's like an arm and a leg, $9. Like, God dang it.

Speaker 2 I think that was the only Southwest flight that took off that weekend.

Speaker 1 Dude, all the Southwest flights.

Speaker 1 Like, everything was shut down.

Speaker 1 That is an actually true statement because all the other Southwest flights were shut down, but they found a way. God found a way for me to be able to get back.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking in my head, yeah, all right. So I think I posted like six, okay, six pictures, maybe.
Don't quote me on that. There's a lot.

Speaker 1 They're beautiful pictures of her and you know, just us together and enjoying the moment. And then when I land,

Speaker 1 so you know, Wi-Fi goes out for like 10 minutes or whatever. So I land.
I'm running to get to the car. I get in the car.

Speaker 1 I'm driving, heading. There you go.
Yeah, too far.

Speaker 1 I'm driving to

Speaker 1 the hospital. Text her, like, hey, what hospital did you go to? Boom, boom, boom.
And then she calls me. I'm like, maybe 10 minutes from the hospital.
Hey, they told me it was false labor. Okay.

Speaker 1 So now I think that was, was that two weeks? It was, I think, two weeks later. Two weeks.
Two weeks later after that.

Speaker 1 Game, I mean,

Speaker 1 Gia was born. Okay.
Gia Shali Griffin. So she was born, and I went, I actually left the next day and went to call a bowl game in Texas.
We were in Orlando at the time.

Speaker 1 And everyone that I saw six months after running off the field, every single one of them was like, man, that was so cool. Great that you made it to your baby's delivery.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I corrected him for like two months. Like, hey, guys, it was actually false labor.
I actually put out a tweet saying that it was false labor, but people didn't see that. No, no.

Speaker 1 They saw the tweet that went viral.

Speaker 1 And after three months, I was just like, Yep. Yep.
Thank you. It was incredible.
I don't know how I made it.

Speaker 1 You had us in a real pickle because, like, I have three children. So I know that, you know, it's labor is very intense.
And like, it's scary when you get to the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 So we were kind of towing that line of like,

Speaker 1 you know, we don't want any complications, but produce the baby. Like, we need to say

Speaker 1 this anyway.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we didn't.
So we actually, I don't, how long did we take to post?

Speaker 1 Gia, we took a while to post her that she, like, we posted that she was born, but I don't think we posted on the day that she was born.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we did that on purpose because of some of the confusion that was going on.

Speaker 1 But, like, as a, as a, as a dad, yeah, you know, this, like, women die, dude. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 So, it's, it was, it was concerning for me to be at the festival and not be there for the birth of our child, but also, like,

Speaker 1 oh my gosh, I don't know if my wife is going to survive. Now, that might sound Debbie donorish, but it's a real thing.
It's a real thing.

Speaker 1 It's a scary moment where it's like, this is, you know, there's a lot at stake here. So I'm very excited on the plane, going home, like, all right, our baby's going to be born.

Speaker 1 Look at the pregnancy pictures. Let me get these pregnancy pictures.
I'm like, this is awesome. This is so cool.

Speaker 1 But like in the back of my mind, I'm like, man, I kind of want to make sure I get there and there's, there's no complications, yeah. No issue.
For sure. For sure.
A moment will always remember. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm happy that everything worked out because we really were. Yeah, we were stuck.

Speaker 2 So me and Big Cat talked about it.

Speaker 1 You put us in a bad spot.

Speaker 2 We obviously didn't, we didn't want to say anything on the air because, like, you don't know what's happening in somebody else's life.

Speaker 2 But right after it happened, we kind of floated the idea to each other. We're like, wait a second, every Southwest Airlines flight is grounded.

Speaker 2 I think it got so far in our heads that we're like, I think that Southwest paid RG3.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we thought it was an ad

Speaker 1 to get all the publicity for.

Speaker 1 Now that they say that, it's bringing back memories because Southwest was like under fire

Speaker 1 for weeks

Speaker 1 about some of the stuff that was going on with their planes. So I can understand why.
Yeah. We can actually.

Speaker 1 I don't want to say you're conspiracy. Are you going to be online? No, we spend too much conspiracy online.
No, we spend too much time online. That's really what it is.
Our brains are

Speaker 1 not going to be online. Do you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist?

Speaker 2 No, I enjoy conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't consider myself to be a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 1 So there's this week-long.

Speaker 1 We had a lot of private conversations. We're like, we need to see this baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, facts. I'm not going to lie.
When I got to the airport, that was my number one concern.

Speaker 1 Is the plane going to take off? Yeah. I just ran off of national TV.
There's no way I can get back to Orlando fast enough via car from Arizona. I got to take this flight.
And it took off.

Speaker 1 So maybe Southwest saw the broadcast.

Speaker 2 Like, we got to make sure this is.

Speaker 1 This flight has to go out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I like it. Mayor Pete gets on the phone.
He's like, I need this flight.

Speaker 2 I'm getting a lot of shit right now.

Speaker 2 There's another great video of you. I think this was like 2007.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Body armor with zero sugar.
More than sugar. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Body armor. Gotta love it.

Speaker 2 There was a video that you put out on Instagram a while ago. Maybe my favorite, we like the Jameis Winston workout videos.
Those are our favorites. But a close second.

Speaker 2 Close second was RG3 throwing footballs at trees.

Speaker 1 You remember that one? I think you guys commented on that. Oh, you commented a couple of times.
PFD, definitely.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 It was like, pick a tree and then you'd hit the tree. It was actually impressive.
Like you're fucking nailing those trees. Appreciate you.
Those trees didn't stand a chance.

Speaker 2 Have you thought about like if you're not retired, try to get some buzz going, go hit some more trees?

Speaker 1 Well, you see,

Speaker 1 that's actually not a bad idea because after that video, I did get a few calls from teams and it actually led to me getting signed to the Ravens in 2018. Wow.

Speaker 1 And honestly.

Speaker 1 I know some people maybe who have a lot of time on their hands on the internet

Speaker 1 would be like, it's fake. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, fake tree?

Speaker 1 No, like the trees are fake or the video is fake. I was literally out there throwing, didn't have any receivers.
And at this point in the year, everyone's like, Canadian Football League is playing.

Speaker 1 The NFL is going. I'm like, I don't have anybody to throw the ball to, so I got to find something.
So I ran a track workout. I started doing some drops.

Speaker 1 And I look at my wife, Grette, and I said, pick a tree.

Speaker 1 I'll hit it. In my mind, I'm like, there's no fucking way I'm hitting this tree.

Speaker 1 Right? But I dropped back. I hit three trees in a row.
Yeah. This is is off-camera.
RG Tree. There you go.
RG Tree. That's that.
We got a trademark though. Yeah.
Cease and desist.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 2 I got to talk to you about something else, too.

Speaker 2 So, no pressure, no diamonds. Yes.
Your slogan.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Did you know that you let the trademark lapse on that?

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 1 Do you know who got that trademark?

Speaker 2 Did you get the trademark? I got the trademark from

Speaker 1 the desires. No way.
Yeah. Do you still have it?

Speaker 2 I don't because I traded it to Mike Florio. So now Mike Florida.

Speaker 1 Mike Florio has it.

Speaker 2 Has the trademark

Speaker 2 in exchange for him not suing me for calling myself PFT.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So Florio's got the no pressure, no diamonds trademark.

Speaker 1 So Florio Pro Football Talk has the no pressure, no diamonds. Yeah, that is hilarious.
So every time you just said it, that's money for you. It's money for Florio.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's in Secretary Podcast.

Speaker 1 That is honestly. He's going to get a check for this.
So every time I say no pressure, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't say that. I can't say that.
That's a half.

Speaker 2 That's a half of the paper.

Speaker 1 It's a half right there. Yeah, no, he's going to get...
He's a lawyer. That is hilarious.

Speaker 1 Honestly, that's funny that you picked it up. The reason I let it lapse is because we weren't gonna be selling any merch from it, but we're gonna continue to use it.

Speaker 1 Um, so I guess I, when I do start selling merch again, I'm gonna have to go get it from Mike Florida. Yeah, you're gonna have to you can pay me, and then I'll pay Mike.

Speaker 2 Okay, and I'll just take my cut from Mike. Yeah,

Speaker 2 because I'm kind of like his agent.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 That's that's actually this whole thing. That is hilarious.
I would have never have guessed that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so there's a period of time where I just basically lived to troll everything that you did.

Speaker 1 We, we, we know this, yeah.

Speaker 2 But you, you said, I forget what what show you on. You said something very nice

Speaker 2 maybe a year ago. You're like, yeah, we used to hate each other.
Now I think we're boys. So I would consider you a friend.

Speaker 1 Love that.

Speaker 1 I consider you a friend.

Speaker 1 Honestly, the backstory that you gave at the beginning of this whole conversation,

Speaker 1 I never knew that.

Speaker 1 I never knew how much of a fan you were. Right.

Speaker 1 And I can understand the angle of like me try to go. Like you created this persona, but I don't think it's a persona anymore.
I think it's just who you are.

Speaker 1 But it was maybe a little misunderstood in the beginning with everything that was going on with me in Washington.

Speaker 2 Well, honestly, I would be concerned if a starting quarterback was getting into the depths of levels of satire on the internet that they completely understood every joke I was making.

Speaker 2 I'd be like, you should probably spend more time playing football. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 So when somebody drops a logo and then somebody says, you know who else has a logo? Uh-huh. Hitler.
Yeah, yeah. Then it's like,

Speaker 1 it doesn't make you think. It makes you like, I got to get blocked this guy.
Get him out of here.

Speaker 1 But no, I do consider you a friend, and

Speaker 1 I've been really excited about this whole media journey because I feel like what you guys try to do, or what you do, is you celebrate the game, but you have a good time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's not a, it's, I understand the satire now because I'm, I'm obviously just enveloped in it. You know, I'm in it, I'm in the thick of it, like Kyle Lowry.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 That's because he's got thick legs, in case anyone was wondering. Big ass, though.
I actually got a call from somebody about that. About Kyle Lowry's ass?

Speaker 1 i wouldn't say it that way but

Speaker 1 just that you know maybe kyle wasn't didn't like it okay so i i actually have not said it for months okay this is my first time in months saying it it's very difficult for me not to say it thank you welcome back but uh nah it's just the way we you guys have fun talking about sports, talking about the players, talking about your favorite teams.

Speaker 1 I think it's more so what sports should be. Yeah.
What sports media should be. It should be about celebration of these guys and having a good time.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think you've moved away.

Speaker 1 You have moved away from a lot of the stuff that you used to do in the beginning.

Speaker 2 Well, because right now it's like, I mean, it's going to sound like a brag, but the podcast is pretty big, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's huge.

Speaker 2 And so there's going to be a lot of people that weren't there at the start that didn't understand

Speaker 2 what I was doing. Where if I say or go after somebody like I used to, they're going to be like, holy shit, this guy's insane.

Speaker 2 Or like, maybe, maybe worse, some people that are like, he makes some good points about RG3 and Hitler.

Speaker 1 But I'm with you, though.

Speaker 1 And that was more so, I would say, the issue. And not just for me, but like other players, not just with you, but with certain people who might take it that way.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think you guys know, like, I think a big reason for your name was the fact that people would tell you, don't read the comments. Yeah.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 Online, don't read the comments because it gets gnarly in the comments. Well, players take, they see that, and then it's like, now you're attaching things to their name that they don't like.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or things, not even that they don't like, that shouldn't be there. Right.

Speaker 1 So I'm actually, you know, we hugged it up before, but I'm proud of you

Speaker 1 for what you've been able to do and what you've become.

Speaker 1 And it's been cool to see just the growth and development. And I hope you and everyone else out there sees the same thing from a guy like myself.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm not a 22, 23-year-old young man anymore. I'm 33, about to be 34.

Speaker 1 And I've learned from a lot of the things that I went through, know what to say, when to say, how to say it. And hopefully people see that in my coverage of sports.

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Speaker 1 So, your media career has blossomed. You're doing a great job.
Um, tough question, though. Um,

Speaker 1 are you too horny online sometimes? Ooh, good question.

Speaker 1 That is a great question.

Speaker 1 Listen, if I put together a wordsmith of a tweet, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm deep in my bag.
Okay, okay. How you interpret that.

Speaker 1 So it's our fault.

Speaker 1 It's not your fault. It is not your fault.
This is not a blame game. What I'm saying to you is

Speaker 1 Alex Orgy, the quarterback. Why'd you use that name? Because that's his name.
Okay. But I mean, I just asked if you were too horny.
Did you not know? No, but

Speaker 1 you say I. Yeah, right.
I asked you. I'm too horny.

Speaker 1 Go right to the orgy. I'm just

Speaker 1 went right. No, you did.

Speaker 1 Did I? Okay. Yeah, you said orgy.
I said his

Speaker 1 Alex Orgy. You said you went right to the Orgy.

Speaker 2 You said I likes Orgy.

Speaker 1 No, I did not say that. Well, right now,

Speaker 1 it's like being like, oh, I'm a comedian.

Speaker 1 And you're like, no, I'm not a comedian, but I do comedy. It's like, that makes less sense.
Yeah, it's like my favorite quarterback, Spencer Blowjob. That's what you just did.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Listen.
Random name. I did not say that at all.
I said the backup quarterback for Michigan was Alex Orgy. Okay, so here.

Speaker 1 One of the ones

Speaker 1 that took off a couple years ago was I called,

Speaker 1 there's an Orgy in the end zone. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's a good call.

Speaker 1 Right. But it was because Alex Orgy scored it.
Was it in the end zone? And we kind of built it up. Like, he had a couple plays on that drive where I just did not say his last name.
Right.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, ooh, I'm not touching that one.

Speaker 1 Alex with a nice throw. Alex with a nice run.
And it was just like, you know what? This guy, if he scores a touchdown, I'm going to say it. I'm going to say his name.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to make sure that it's in the hall

Speaker 1 of war forever. So when I said that one, the Michigan fans took it and ran with it and had a good time with it.
And what I try to do is have a good time, but never put my employer in a situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, you do a good job

Speaker 1 where they can't. be like, it's not explainable.
Yeah, right. You know, I had a tweet.
Man,

Speaker 1 I've had some tweets now. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
I've had some tweets. Yeah.
I had a tweet. It was when AB, Antonio Brown, like exposed himself

Speaker 1 in the pool. And I said something about,

Speaker 1 I think I deleted the tweet, honestly,

Speaker 1 after the, you know, the rev share came in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 After Elon cut the check. But no, I don't even think they were rev sharing at that time.
So this is a joke. But A.B.

Speaker 1 like exposed himself and there was a defense that was not like playing very well and I tweeted out and I'm saying something like, you know,

Speaker 1 they, there, you know, Antonio Brown showed more D than this team, and it took off.

Speaker 1 And I deleted the tweet because that kind of put my employer in a situation where they're like, all right, well, why are you referencing that?

Speaker 1 It's not a guy's name. It's not this.
So even in this media game of doing that type of stuff,

Speaker 1 you find the spot. And I feel like I'm in my honey hole of like, I can be myself, have a good time.
You're in your what? My honeyhole.

Speaker 1 My honey hole. Okay.

Speaker 1 You're holy. I'm not about to suggest it.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 I said honey hole. You turned it into something else.

Speaker 2 That might be fair. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, if your mind is in the gutter,

Speaker 1 I can't help get you out of it.

Speaker 1 Right. If I say, oh my gosh, did you see that big hole that the running back just penetrated down the middle?

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Did you see with that cut?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, it ran right into the box.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, those types of things, like,

Speaker 1 I watch games and I can't not hear those things. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Yeah, you know what I mean? So, I just try to have fun, have a good time, but also let it be explainable.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah, uh, Oklahoma had a backup quarterback. What was his name? Uh, General Booty, General Booty and John David Booty, yes, and I think they're related.

Speaker 1 Yeah, John David Booty, the Booty Bros, the Booty Bros, yeah, and General Booty. I had no plans on mentioning General Booty, okay, but Dylan Gabriel got hurt, yeah,

Speaker 1 and the backup got hurt, So. And then RG3 gets horny.
No, no, no, no. So on the sideline, they panned to General Booty warming up.
What do you think I said?

Speaker 1 You don't know, do you? No. Exactly.
I said,

Speaker 1 Booty is getting loose on the sideline. Oh, okay.
All right. That's a good one.
Right?

Speaker 1 That's a fact. It's a fact.
Yeah, you did it. Yeah, that's smart.
This is Booty. You're doing a good job.
He's getting loose with his arm on the sidelines. Yes.
Right. So

Speaker 1 I don't try to find those things. They happen naturally.
And I think I have a decent knack of knowing when I'm like going. They're good.
It makes the broadcast fun. Yeah.
It does.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I got one other thing, but I'm trying to find this picture right now on my phone. I went.

Speaker 1 Oh, here it is.

Speaker 2 Great, great timing. I went as you for Halloween one year.
Oh, no. No, it's not bad.
Okay. It's not bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's not, no, it's not what you think.

Speaker 2 Is that cultural appropriation? I did braid my hair.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought he had blackface on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
And

Speaker 2 I had a sprained ankle at the time, and you also had a sprained ankle. So I went as you.
Is that okay?

Speaker 1 That's okay. Listen, I got a bunch of the Halloween pictures of like the knee brace or the crutches or the cast on the ankle.

Speaker 1 But nobody's ever done like a Halloween costume of like me racing Tame of the Hawk. Yeah, yeah.
Or the Subway thing. Or the Subway standwigs, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Or like, you know, griffining on the ground after the first touchdown with the Saints. Like, can we get some of those? Yeah.
No, but no, that's fine. That's 100% fine.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I just, I appreciate all the fans. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, it's been awesome.

Speaker 2 Nah, man.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for making time for us.

Speaker 2 And you have to come back on. Yeah, you're a recurring guest now.
You do.

Speaker 1 I'm a recurring guest now, and it's not going to take 12 years

Speaker 1 for me. How long have you guys been doing this show, actually? Eight years.
Eight years. So it's not going to take me seven years to come on the show.

Speaker 1 But before we leave the show, I do have to make a couple of proclamations. Okay.
Okay. You know, we got the

Speaker 1 Super Bowl's already happened. Yep.

Speaker 1 What do you guys think about Brock Purdy? I think

Speaker 1 I think he's a game changer.

Speaker 1 I think he's a game wrecker.

Speaker 1 He is a game wrecker. He plays the game of football.
I always say he's things.

Speaker 2 He's not a manager. He's a man.
He's a game man.

Speaker 1 He's a game man. He's a game man.

Speaker 1 He's a game man. I like that.
I like that. Unless he loses, then he stinks.

Speaker 1 I mean, come on, that's funny.

Speaker 1 I mean, according to the

Speaker 1 mainstream media, that's what it is. If you lose in the Super Bowl, you suck.

Speaker 1 Not the fact that you got there. Yeah, right.
Or that you were Mr. Irrelevant.

Speaker 1 If you just look at Brock Purdy's stats from the regular season, you'd say he was the best quarterback in the NFL this year.

Speaker 2 You could make that argument, probably, yeah.

Speaker 1 But I've always... Lamar was pretty good.
No, Lamar was the MVP. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a difference. Lamar was the MVP.
Brock Purdy played the quarterback position better than anybody in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And I've always said this about stats. Stats are like bikinis, right? They show you a lot, but they don't show you everything.
Ooh, I like that.

Speaker 1 So you have to actually watch the tape of Brock to go back and see like, oh, this guy's a creator. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like he creates plays for them, not just with ball placement or throwing the ball where it's supposed to be or eye manipulation, but with his legs in the pocket and outside of the pocket.

Speaker 1 So I actually believe that the real Mr. Irrelevants.
are the people who throw shade at Brock Perdita. Ooh, I like that.
That's good. Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 I also like calling him like a play creator. Exactly.
I've never heard that before.

Speaker 1 He's a creator. If you watch the tape, and I know everybody doesn't have time to do that, and I'm not trying to sit here and I know some people are like, I watch more tape than everybody.
I do. But

Speaker 1 I don't want people to think that I'm trying to say that as being a snob. It's just to say studying the game and being able to cover these guys the right way.
Yeah. That whole thing.

Speaker 1 about him being a game manager and being the 10, not even in the top 10 on his team. First of all, he is top 10 on his own team 100%.

Speaker 1 But he's not that. And if you're saying that, you're not watching the actual tape.

Speaker 1 I don't compare Brock Purdy to myself. I'm not playing right now.
I don't care what he looks like compared to me. I care about what he looks like when I watch that tape.
Yeah. So that's a

Speaker 1 good football player.

Speaker 2 And if Patrick says, if Mahomes loses the Super Bowl, he stinks. They're going to say that he stinks.

Speaker 1 Two and two in the Super Bowl. Yeah.
And here he went. He's a big one.
And here's the thing, guys. Like, for Patrick Mahomes, like, how many? Okay, say they lose the Super Bowl.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mitch Chariski never lost the Super Bowl. It's a fact.

Speaker 1 Stop me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 That's pretty funny, actually.

Speaker 1 But either way, you cut it, Mahomes is either going to have two Super Bowls in his six years, or he's going to have three Super Bowls in his six years of being a starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 So he'll already have been the second greatest quarterback in NFL history in six years. It's crazy.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 He's on a Brady track, but John Elway didn't win his first Super Bowl till his 15th season. Yeah.
Right? I think Steve Young didn't win his till his 10th. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yet we're going to try to hammer a guy like Patrick Mahomes, who's on a legendary pace. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I think if they win, Mahomes and Andy Reid will be on track to becoming the greatest quarterback coach duo of all time.

Speaker 1 And that's a big statement because we already know what Bill and Tom Brady did. Yeah.
But that branches me into my next gripe about the people with Lamar Jackson. Okay.

Speaker 1 I mentioned to you that Elway didn't win his first one to his 15th season. Well, what was Peyton Manning's record after six games? After his first six postseason games, what was his record?

Speaker 1 One and five? It wasn't good. Two and four.
Two and four. What was the thing that they kept saying about Peyton? I don't know if you guys remember.
He's a choker. He can't be Brady.

Speaker 1 He can't be Brady. He can't win it when it matters.
How many Super Bowls did Peyton end up with when it was all said and done? One and a half. The Broncos Day.
He lists really good. They were amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I will say that Peyton never had a quarterback rating over 90 in any of his playoff Super Bowl appearances.
So he was a choker. He was not a choker.

Speaker 1 Peyton Manning is one of the greatest of all time. You're not going to get me to say that, buddy.
He's one of the greatest of all time. But for me, with Lamar, I don't think

Speaker 1 it's not unfair to criticize Lamar. That's not my issue.
It's like when you try to compare him to the greats. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you compare him to Peyton, then you got to know the facts about what Peyton went through and how it took him nine seasons to win one Super Bowl. Right.
Right. And Lamar's going into year seven.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So like give him that grace that we gave to these, some of these others.

Speaker 2 We feel the same way about Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen as well. Like he, you know, people want to rag on him.
We love him. And it's just like, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's a weird sport. And when you got a guy like Mahomes or a guy like Brady, they steal a lot of Super Bowls.
100%. It just happens.

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes is 100% going to leave us with a generation of great quarterbacks that have no Super Bowl rings. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because of how great he's been, because of Andy Reid, because of the Travis Kelsey thing. And now he's got a number two defense.
Like, come on, man. But I'm with you with Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 I'm a Josh Allen guy. I love him.
I hate the fact that they're debating whether he's great on TV every freaking week when he loses a game.

Speaker 1 Because at the end of the day, if Patrick Mahomes is your standard of great, then yeah, no one else is great. Right.
You can't compare it. It's not a comparison.

Speaker 1 But to say that Josh Allen isn't a great quarterback, come on, man. Yeah.
Yeah. Are your eyes, are you just mad because he's greater than you? I don't got, come on.
Like, support these guys.

Speaker 1 They're the best in the world. And I think you guys do a really good job of that.

Speaker 2 Well, sometimes if you have a bad team, you just want other franchises to also have bad times. Yeah.
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 Like, a lot of times it's deflection away from how badly you feel about the guy that you root for. It's like, well, your guy's not as good as you you think he is.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 1 But that's okay from fans. Yeah.
Media is different. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, but

Speaker 1 do you, do you guys consider yourself media?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 We're fans. Yeah, we're fans first.
But you're fans first. Yeah, yeah.
If you're on ESPN or Fox or CBS or NBC, like, I know that they're fans as well, but that's not your job.

Speaker 1 Your job is not to be a fan and analyze from a fan's perspective. Your job is to analyze from a professional standpoint.

Speaker 1 And you cannot tell me that Josh Allen scoring damn near 50 touchdowns this year means he's not a great quarterback.

Speaker 1 Like, I know he threw a lot of pickles. Okay, making a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 How about this one, though? This is the one that trips everybody up.

Speaker 1 Okay. Dak.
Oh, yeah. Talk about Dak.
I know. He's a choker.

Speaker 2 We just hit the Cowboys. So, yeah, we will say, like, Lamar.

Speaker 1 Are you horny right now? He's a choker. What are you talking about? He's a choker.
Lamar is not a choker.

Speaker 2 Give Lamar some time and the same grace that you give to Peyton Manning. Josh Allen, do the same.
Dak sucks.

Speaker 1 That's pretty much it. And that's coming from a Bears fan and a Commanders fan.
I just look at Dak and

Speaker 1 man, I thought the decision with Tony Pollard

Speaker 1 and getting rid of Zeke

Speaker 1 was a difficult one. But for Dak, I think I said this last year.
He's now moving into the realm of is he going to be Tony Romo or is he going to be Troy Aikman? Right. Now, what did Troy Aikman have?

Speaker 1 He had a phenomenal offensive line. He had Emmett Smith.
He had Michael Michael Irvin, right? Dak has CeeDee Lamb. Is Tony Pollard going to be that Emmett Smith?

Speaker 1 Are they going to have to bring another guy in? And do they have the pieces up front to be that dominant offensive line? Yeah. But it's no longer, they're not going to give Dak any more grace

Speaker 1 for everything that's going on.

Speaker 2 You can go out on a limb and say Tony Pollard will not be Emmett Smith.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like Tony Pollard.
Yeah, I do too. Now, Emmett Smith is the, you know.
He leads the NFL in rushing yards. Yeah.
I don't think that's a... Yeah.
It's not a, you know,

Speaker 1 you're not condemning him for that. You can't compare him.
It's the same thing you said with Mahomes. If that's great, then everyone else thinks.

Speaker 1 Now, I know you tried to stop the episode, but we're just having such a great conversation. So I'm actually wearing this Saiyan jacket, right? This is not a sponsored ad or anything like this.

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Speaker 1 I made this comparison on Monday Night Countdown about. I'm a Dragon Ball Z guy.
Okay. And I made this comparison with Patrick Mahomes.
Like, there's a character on Dragon Ball Z named Sel,

Speaker 1 and he's the perfect combination of all of the attributes of all the greatest fighters on earth. Goku, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, all these guys.

Speaker 1 And to me, that's what Patrick Mahomes is for NFL quarterbacks. He's the perfect combination.
of all the great quarterbacks we've ever seen. Yeah.
Right. He can process like Manning and Brady.

Speaker 1 He can extend plays in a similar way to guys like Steve Young. And the thing that makes him so great is that in in clutch time moments, he has that.
It's not even a clutch gene.

Speaker 1 It's just like, you just anticipate.

Speaker 1 13 seconds, whatever.

Speaker 1 Five seconds, he'll find a way to get it done.

Speaker 1 So I always wonder that. And then my other question, I guess my question for you guys, you guys Dragon Ball Z at all? No.

Speaker 1 But you're Avengers, right? No, I'm not a nerd. You're not an Avengers.
You're not a nerd. You're not going to be my guy, Tony Stark.
Tony Stark, you're not a nerd? I play football.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You play football zone.

Speaker 2 I used to play football.

Speaker 1 It's a long time for that.

Speaker 1 I'm a nerd. I'm a 100% nerd.

Speaker 2 No, there's just some things that we don't, for whatever reason, we miss. We just miss those things.

Speaker 1 That's fine. You can miss Dragon Ball Z.
I've watched enough for all three of us combined. Yeah, I love how passionate you are.
That's why I didn't watch it. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 So, my question to you would be: you guys know who the Avengers are. Nope.

Speaker 1 You don't know who Marvel's Avengers are? The baby Burgess. Iron Man, Ant-Man, Incredible Hawk.
Okay, yeah, yeah. All those.
Okay, yeah, yep, yep. So if Brock, I think Brock Purdy's Iron Man

Speaker 1 for the Niners.

Speaker 1 Who do you think the other guys are? Oh, Batman.

Speaker 1 Who's Batman? Well, Batman would be DC.

Speaker 1 Batman's Brock Purdy. You think Batman's Brock Purdy? Yeah, he's just a regular guy, and then he puts on his armor, and it's Debo, and it's Kittle, and it's McKay.

Speaker 1 That's actually a really good reference. I nailed that one.
But

Speaker 1 if we're going to go with the Avengers, we're going to go.

Speaker 2 I think Joe Burrow is Iron Man. You think Joe Burrow is rich? I think it's a good thing as fuck.
Yeah. Just got paid.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's the rich one, right? Iron Man is the rich one, but I think you're misunderstanding the conversation. I'm asking you for the 49ers team.
On the fourth,

Speaker 1 use check, kiddo.

Speaker 1 Trent Williams is Pikachu.

Speaker 2 Oh, Ray Ray McLeod's baby Yoda. Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay. Groku.

Speaker 1 What? What? Groku? Groku. Groku.
That is his name. You're right.
My kids have the baby Yoda, but his name is

Speaker 2 Groku. I thought that was the name of the species.

Speaker 1 And it's Groku, not Goku from Dragon Ball Z. Oh, I was going to go.
Since we're mixing everything and we're throwing Pikachu and Star Wars and all this into here.

Speaker 2 Chase Young is Predator.

Speaker 1 That's actually a good one. Yeah.
It's not in the Marvel universe, but it is a great. Oh, Incredible Hulk, Trent Williams.

Speaker 2 Has to be, right?

Speaker 1 Your guy's Pikachu. Oh, Pikachu.
Oh, he's Pikachu. So that means Debo would be the Incredible Hulk.
Incredible Hulk, yeah.

Speaker 2 I think Debo might be Debo from Friday.

Speaker 1 From Friday?

Speaker 1 And we're throwing Debo from Friday into the Marvel Universe, too. John McCaffrey is forced company.

Speaker 1 He's incredible force computes running.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Yeah, the green nail.
it.

Speaker 2 Me and Kyle was like peas and cakes.

Speaker 1 We nailed it. We nailed it.

Speaker 1 That's pretty funny. I got nothing else.
That was awesome. Well, yeah, this has been so much fun.
Thank you so much. You definitely are coming back on.
I'm coming back on. Yes.

Speaker 1 And I want to maybe come to our office. I want to see that speed up close.
You guys are in New York, right? We're in Chicago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have a huge 40,000 square foot office with a basketball court everywhere. Holy cow.

Speaker 2 You know what? We're going to make it out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you come. James put us through some drills.
We should set up a race. Yeah.
Set up a race in Chicago with some wild animal. Yep.

Speaker 2 Maybe we can do a bird Olympics.

Speaker 1 You can play multiple sports again. We could do the bird Olympics and we could honor pigeons the way that they deserve to be honored.
I agree. Jay Group.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 if you race every type of bird,

Speaker 1 that would rock. That would be pretty funny, actually.
Yeah, we start with like a chicken and we just keep going up from there.

Speaker 1 So while I'm racing these birds, what are you guys going to be doing? Watching, watching. Yeah.

Speaker 1 On our phones.

Speaker 2 Now Robert's racing an ostrich.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Get them all. That might be pretty frightening.

Speaker 1 No, start with a penguin.

Speaker 2 I think, yeah. Yeah, penguins.
Penguin? Penguins are the first one.

Speaker 1 You don't think that would be like

Speaker 1 unfair? It'd be funny. Have you seen their feet? Yeah, it'd be fun.
I think you can beat a penguin. You've seen Happy Feet, right? Yeah.
They're great singers, but not great runners. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait, Happy Feet, wasn't that the one?

Speaker 2 I think a Penguin could beat Kirk Cousins in a race.

Speaker 1 In Happy Feet, were they dancing? They were dancing ants. Oh, I'm thinking of March of the Penguins.

Speaker 2 Come on, get happy.

Speaker 1 What did you talk about?

Speaker 2 I think a Penguin could beat Kirk Cousins in a race. In a race?

Speaker 1 Actually, well, right now he's got an Achilles injury. Right, exactly.
But not when he's healthy.

Speaker 2 Can I ask you one more question about that Redskins team?

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 2 Was it weird when you got drafted and then Kirk Cousins gets drafted in the fourth round? Or was it fourth, right?

Speaker 1 It was in the fourth.

Speaker 1 It was only weird because Mike came to me during the draft. I was in the meeting room with Kyle and Matt LaFleur learning the offense.
And he comes in, opens the door. He's like, hey.

Speaker 1 Robert, we're going to draft quarterback for Michigan State, Kirk Cousins. Are you?

Speaker 1 Now, this is a rhetorical question, right?

Speaker 2 Are you cool with that? Yeah, what if you're like, no.

Speaker 1 I'm 22. This is my first day in the building because I think it was the second day of the draft, right? I don't know how they did the days back then, but I think it was the second day of the draft.

Speaker 1 So what am I supposed to say? Nah, coach, go do something else. No, but.

Speaker 1 What I came to find out was the reason that that pick happened was because of the internal struggle that was going on behind the scenes. So I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 Me and Kirk shared a burrito together. Okay.

Speaker 1 Our rookie year. We shared a burrito.

Speaker 1 Now, we didn't eat it like at the same time. Lady and the tramp.
Like Lady and the Tramp. We didn't do that.
But we cut it down the middle, shared a burrito. We were.

Speaker 1 That's fucking weird, dude. This was Rookie Minicamp.
So we're roommates in Rookie Minicamp. We're studying the system together.
We're learning everything together.

Speaker 1 Me and Kirk are, we have a great relationship. We are fine.
Nice burrito.

Speaker 1 I like Kirk. I support Kirk.

Speaker 1 I think he's turned the corner in his career from the early years when they're saying he couldn't win in prime time and do all this stuff.

Speaker 1 I know his record might not say that, but what he's done the past few years has been impressive. I'm happy for him.
I'm hoping he lands where he wants to be at. But to answer your question,

Speaker 1 it wasn't weird because I didn't think anything of it.

Speaker 1 In hindsight, being 2020,

Speaker 1 there was a clear reason to do that. Yes.
Yeah. All right.
Well, RG3, thank you so much, man. We appreciate it.
Yeah. Great interview.
Big cat. Appreciate you.
Appreciate y'all, man.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show.

Speaker 1 With pardon your take?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 10 And one guy's on chicks. Via memes.

Speaker 1 Oh, and one guy's on chicks.

Speaker 2 Via memes. So it's memes.
This is a question from memes.

Speaker 1 No, that little note was from memes about there's one guy's on.

Speaker 2 I think it's a question from memes. We'll wait to hear the question.

Speaker 2 I can't hear you, memes. Talking to the mic.

Speaker 2 That was actually better than your stand-up set. Oh, that fuck you.

Speaker 1 Man, that was so bad.

Speaker 7 Is this the guys on chicks?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.
Pardon your take. Yeah, I said that to you.
I got nothing left, boys. I'm on all the way past E.

Speaker 2 That's why we're doing pardon your take. Please finish our show for us, listeners.

Speaker 7 My husband and I have been married for six years. Every year on the Sunday before the Super Bowl, he pulls out a VHS player and says he has to watch a 1999

Speaker 7 VHS tape from his childhood called Super Sunday because you can't interrupt the streak of Sunday football and I have to lock in for Super Bowl week. It's only about Super Bowls up to 1990.

Speaker 7 I don't understand why he has to watch something over 30 years old when he can find more relevant football stuff to watch.

Speaker 1 I got it real quick.

Speaker 2 How weird is this? Real short answer for him. It's because the beer commercials were so much better back then.
You got to watch old broadcasts to really get the vibe of that era.

Speaker 2 And the beer commercials were just, that was the art of the 80s and 90s.

Speaker 1 You know what used to rule? I don't know if they still do it.

Speaker 1 The like...

Speaker 1 24 hours leading up to the Super Bowl, they would do the NFL films of every Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 That fucking rocked. Yeah.
The 30-minute condensed version with some interviews and stuff. Oh, that was the best.

Speaker 2 I hope they still do that. Does anybody watch VHS still?

Speaker 1 They don't? No.

Speaker 2 Does anyone watch VHS where it's like, you know, people listen to records on vinyl?

Speaker 1 No, I don't think the quality is better.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know, but

Speaker 1 it's still kind of cool to watch VHS. Yeah.
The beginning.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 the FBI will shoot you if you copy this tape.

Speaker 7 I think I have a guess for this one. Hypothetical question.
What would your guys' dream sports moment be?

Speaker 7 Like the moment you dreamt of as a kid, a World Series walk-off, shootout goal, the World Cup, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 Oh, if we're playing,

Speaker 1 I would say making a buzzer beater. I think.

Speaker 7 March Madness. What about like your team's down two or down one at the line? You get fouled.
Oh, yeah. Hit two free throws.

Speaker 1 Always. As a kid, yeah, yeah.
Or like your boys are trying to get 41 free throws. You got to get there.
Yeah, you have to hit two of the last three.

Speaker 2 You get fouled shooting a three-pointer, and then you make the first two, and then someone comes on the court and abducts you. Yeah.
And they have to get the other guy to shoot the last one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and your best boy is snoozing away on the couch in the studio.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 7 it is what it is.

Speaker 7 Correct.

Speaker 7 I got benched from the team.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 I wasn't contributing much anyway.

Speaker 2 Was anybody else out there that got benched from the team?

Speaker 1 We were rebounding.

Speaker 1 I'm not talking about me.

Speaker 1 No, BFT actually got promoted to the team.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I got promoted. I got brought down from the booth.
When was the last time Jim Nance got brought down to the sidelines to get in there and help the backup quarterback warm up?

Speaker 7 Yeah. This isn't about me.
I'm proud. I'm proud of you.
PFT is Jason Witten.

Speaker 1 We did it.

Speaker 2 Facts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We did it.

Speaker 7 I asked Stephen, Stephen Sharon.

Speaker 1 How mad were you that you missed it?

Speaker 7 I'm not mad.

Speaker 1 Oh, we did a dog pile. It was great.
It looked great.

Speaker 1 I was crying a little bit.

Speaker 7 I missed Jerry's Holin one, too, so it is, you know, might just be like a Super Bowl. It's got a big concourse situation.

Speaker 7 But I kind of dozed off, being like, I'm going to wake up and we're still going to be, like, it's going to be 10 o'clock in the morning, and we still have to do the podcast, and I'm going to miss my flight, and vacation's ruined.

Speaker 7 So I'm,

Speaker 7 at the end of the day, the vacation's still the same.

Speaker 1 You would not have missed your flight. Yeah, but you would.

Speaker 1 What was that? You would have stayed here. What did you just say? Yeah, I would have.
There is a 0.7%

Speaker 1 chance that you would have missed your flight. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 Oh, no,

Speaker 7 I would have stayed here forever.

Speaker 1 That was the biggest lie I've ever heard.

Speaker 7 No, you guys know I would have stayed here.

Speaker 1 Doing what?

Speaker 7 Brooding leaping.

Speaker 7 I couldn't let my team not hit that without me being there to support.

Speaker 2 Facts.

Speaker 2 I always dreamt of hitting a home run in game seven of the World Series.

Speaker 1 Are we hitting the NFL film?

Speaker 7 The VHS. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Your childhood sportsman.

Speaker 2 For For me, it was always hitting that dinger in game seven.

Speaker 1 Yeah, mine's Buzzer Beater. NBA Finals, Marsh Madness.
Yeah. 3-2-1.
Or Buzzerbeater or hitting two free throws.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And one.

Speaker 2 Or being the horse that wins the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good dream to have.

Speaker 2 You just retire and fuck.

Speaker 2 That's life. Yeah.

Speaker 7 All right, last one.

Speaker 7 Would you rather have DeMar Hamlin's on-field experience during when he died or have Alex Smith's leg injury?

Speaker 2 Oh, Damar. Because you get a peek at the afterlife.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like Nikki Six, right? Yeah, for sure. Die for like seven minutes.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Didn't Alex Smith actually win Comeback Player of the Year, though? Yeah, but

Speaker 1 I think it's all mangled.

Speaker 2 It's a fair point by Hank, though, because he gets the glory. DeMar, all we've got is a fake punt.

Speaker 2 No, I would rather be Damar. I'd rather be DeMar because you get to take a glimpse at the afterlife.
You get treated as a hero when you come back.

Speaker 2 You get a free clone.

Speaker 1 Okay, only thing, only counterpoint is

Speaker 1 DeMar Hamlin definitely, like,

Speaker 1 he's probably made a lot of money or a decent amount of money off this and being able to be associated with people. Someone will hire him.

Speaker 1 But, man, he's got to basically answer the question of, like, what was it like every day for the rest of his life?

Speaker 2 Yeah, what does God look like, DeMar? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be tough. Yeah.
Whereas no one really says, like, what was it like when your leg got mangled?

Speaker 2 I think that Alex Smith, his career career was good enough where it might not be the first thing that comes to your mind when you see Alex Smith. It's probably the second.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't be for me.

Speaker 1 It'd be like, oh, Alex Smith. Small hands.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Alex Smith, you were the guy before they won all the Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'd be like, well, Alex, what was it like showing Patrick Mahomes how great he can be at football? Yeah. And also, wow, that was a really weird handshake because your hands are small.

Speaker 1 Do you think Alex Smith, I can't remember how the contracts worked out and everything, but there definitely was a moment where he's like, fuck this guy. He sucks.
Why did they give him my job?

Speaker 1 You think so? Yeah. And now he's just like, whoops.

Speaker 2 I think I've seen some interviews with him where he was like, yeah, he was just very clearly a great quarterback the first time he got to camp.

Speaker 1 Because that probably happened. Like, Drew Bledsoe probably thought that, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he was like, this is bullshit. Yeah, probably.
Tom Brady guy sucks. That turned out wrong.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But like, even Brett Favre was like, Aaron Rodgers, he fell in the draft. He sucks.
He's right. He only got one Super Bowl.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 I don't know what else. That's it.

Speaker 2 Good question. Good hypothesis.

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 2 Good guys on Chicks memes.

Speaker 1 Good guys on Chicks Memes. Reminder, we're going on vacation finally.
Thank God.

Speaker 2 It's not that we don't love you.

Speaker 1 No, no. Thank God for our body, mind, and soul.
Yes. Football season is very taxing.

Speaker 1 It takes probably 10 years off our life, so we'll probably die next year. But we have

Speaker 1 Dungeons ⁇ Dragons on Friday, Ryan Rosillo NBA preview on Monday. We will have new content on Monday to intro Ryan Rosillo, so we'll recap NBA All-Star Weekend quickly.

Speaker 8 Watch Dungeons ⁇ Dragons everywhere. The graphics team does a really good job and puts a lot of work into it.
So make sure you watch it instead of... Well, you can listen to it and watch it.

Speaker 8 Do both.

Speaker 1 Download it. Do both.

Speaker 2 Actually, what you should do, it's like when you go to your friend's house and they're listening to the radio broadcast of a game while the game's on, watch it on YouTube while listening to the podcast.

Speaker 2 I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love that. I love that.

Speaker 1 Numbers.

Speaker 2 It's called Omarta.

Speaker 9 18. 41.

Speaker 1 40. 8.

Speaker 1 We're about to do it. Yeah.
3.

Speaker 1 3, 3, 2.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 10 I added Pug to the winner's wall. It's already

Speaker 1 halfway home. You should do 20.
Four out of 8 of us.

Speaker 1 For the 26th letter in the alphabet.

Speaker 2 Did I just hear Max hiccup again?

Speaker 1 Z

Speaker 2 Max with the Sodies.

Speaker 1 Two Soda Max.

Speaker 1 Wait, did everyone guess?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't think I have an enchanter here.

Speaker 1 Oh my god. 99.
Oh, Pug!

Speaker 7 He was contemplating. Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Did you not...

Speaker 2 Did you not hit reset? No, I didn't hit reset.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, you definitely... Did you? Yeah, you definitely did because we dropped it.

Speaker 10 Pug and I were, he was asking how the machine works, and I tested it.

Speaker 2 99 back-to-back?

Speaker 1 No, it's not back-to-back.

Speaker 10 Well, like, on the show it is, but we were, I showed him how to do it earlier.

Speaker 1 It's like other numbers. No, it's 99 back-to-back.
Okay, okay, what the fuck? Run it back. It doesn't matter if you hit it when you and Pug are playing fucking tummy sticks in here.

Speaker 2 If 69, the sexual position, is represented by the numbers, 99 might actually be back-to-back. Yeah, it literally.

Speaker 2 Wait, is it back-to-back? No, no, it's spoons.

Speaker 1 Yes, 99. It's shaking Pug when they come in here and hit the fucking lottery ball machine together.
All right, let's do another one.

Speaker 1 He was contemplating changing his number, so I don't know if that would have.

Speaker 2 Should we wait, should we text him right now and be like, Pug, what's your number?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 nah, that doesn't count. Nah, it doesn't count.
All right.

Speaker 1 Numbers: 41, 20, 3, 18, 40, 40, 20, 21,

Speaker 1 64

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