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On today's Pardon My Take, it's our last show from Las Vegas. Super Bowl 58 coming up.
We're going to talk about the game, our picks, our favorite prop picks. We also have two great interviews for everyone.
We have George Kittle, who will be in the Super Bowl, playing for the 49ers. And then an awesome interview with Max Crosby.
Kind of a cool full circle moment, because we did have Max Crosby on the radio shows the last time the Niners and Chiefs played in Miami. He's had an incredible story.
He's gotten sober. He's become one of the best players in the NFL.
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Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is friday february 9th soup bowl 58 we're here it's gonna happen the last game of the 2023-24 season we made it we made it we have to talk some picks we have to talk some props how is everyone feeling i'm feeling good got a lot of energy this week.
I don't know what it is. I haven't really been sleeping much more than normal in a Super Bowl week.
Probably like six, six and a half hours a night. But waking up, feeling good.
I don't know. Maybe they do pump oxygen into the casinos down here.
Yeah. Whatever it is, I'm feeling good.
I feel good, too. I feel strong.
I've been doing a good job of going to sleep early to take care of my voice. I felt like I was about to lose it on Wednesday night.
I was like, you know what? I'm going to go to bed at 10 o'clock. Yeah.
I'm going to go to bed 10 o'clock for the listeners. I have not been going to bed at 10 o'clock.
I've been playing a lot of roulette. Hank was on fire at the roulette table the other night.
Good job, Hank. Thank you.
Yeah. And then he was on fire kind of at the blackjack table in the opposite way.
Good job, Hank. Yeah.
My chips are on fire. as well i slept for 13 hours last night let's go we interviewed russillo my phone died during it so i was like i'll go back to my room charge it up for a minute and then in the time before it turned back on i fell asleep and woke up at 5 a.m and i feel great so i'm ready i'm ready to finish the week strong take on the day how many times have you guys worked out this week i i walked today for like three miles.
Once for 10 minutes. I worked out one time.
I ran on the treadmill for about 10 minutes. Yeah.
And you feel great if you do that on vacation. I also was working out specifically because I've been trying to hunt down a certain person that will remain unnamed.
It was a trying to just go to the gym to see if I could see this person it's a little bit of stock light stock yeah but actually i wasn't it's for a good cause i wasn't i'm not the one who's stalking i'm stalking on behalf of someone else right yeah so it's not for you you're like a spy right yes yeah you're spying you're not stalking i'm i'm the tip of the spear i'm the first one out there do they call james bond a stalker no he's a fucking spy if it doesn't work out that i find this person i will reveal who the person was on sunday night show it's an unnamed commissioner okay well there it is we'll just have to cut that we'll have to cut that because we are still stalking or light stalking stalking for someone else uh bleep that one out yeah bleep it uh jake how you feeling do you went to radio row i went to radio row this morning big jay back after this i have a day pass so i'm gonna take advantage of it were you just like would you have like the the hearts in your eyes just being like look at all these guys i was at home look at these microphones you were at home yeah okay you know this podcast is pretty big yeah we do we do we're yeah we're in the media. We're in the media, too.
You can't have two homes. You can't have two homes.
Okay. But you were really at home.
Yeah. Okay.
What did you see? I saw Boomer and Carton. I saw Florio.
I saw Florio. I saw Stephen A.
I saw CJ Stroud. Michael Vick.
That was just on one lap. It's funny that you said Florio first.
Yeah, Florio. Big names out there.

Florio, CJ Stroud, Michael Vick.

Who's who of the NFL.

Stephen A. Smith.

I think that's his name.

I was catching up.

I did a hit on the Newhouse student radio station.

Nice.

Giving back.

Giving back.

The kids.

What advice did you give the youngsters?

I said keep in touch with your connections because you never know. all you need is one connection for things to work out nice yeah i mentioned how the only time i ever lied to you guys was before i met you what when you lie about when uh you guys asked if i'm locally in new york and you said no i said yes because i knew you wouldn't take me seriously uh where Where were you locally? Florida.
Oh. That's a good lie.
Yeah. We should probably fire you now.
Very good lie. Retroactively.
Yeah. Allegations have come to light.
Plagiarism. Was there plagiarism on your resume? He's like George O'Leary.
Remember when he got hired for like a day at Notre Dame? That rocked. Yeah.
Yeah. But it was cool.
Okay. Good.
All right. Well, let's talk about the talk about the game pumped about this game I'm excited about this game as well I am I'm getting more confident as the week goes on I don't know that's probably a bad thing right you know it's definitely it's a really bad thing I am I like the Niners and I'd love I love Christian McCaffrey he has Super Bowl MVP yeah I don't I mean I don't hate that um I just I think'm going to stick with the Chiefs.
I'll leave myself an opening right before kickoff if I want to change, but I've thought about it very hard. I think the Chiefs defense is better than people realize.
And I think Spags is going to put on a masterclass and Mahomes is Mahomes. And there's just so many things that I just keep going back to, like, the Chiefs.
They've just been there, done that. They know how to win these games.
And no disrespect to Brock Purdy, who, by the way, ESPN is running out of things to talk about. So he's gone.
Instead of a game manager, they were debating today whether he's a game changer. Next week, is he a game wrecker? Right.
Is he elite? Well, he's going to be the new Joe Flacco if he wins this game. If he wins this game, he's a game changer uh next week is he a game wrecker right is he is he elite is he he's gonna be the new joe flacco he might this game if he wins this game he's gonna be in the elite conversation because guess what he won a super bowl yeah so uh yeah no i i've seen a lot of that going on the game manager game changer we're just trying to figure out ways to say that brock purdy is not as good as patrick mahomes right right and uh i the one thing that's making me very nervous about the chiefs is that there is as of right now 70 percent of the money is on the chiefs yep yep so that's happened twice before 60 this would be the highest ever yeah on one side the last two times 68 both these was the patriots when they beat the rams in 2019 so patriots had the majority of money so that was public was right the other one though is scary because 68 percent of the money was on the Broncos when they lost to the Seahawks yeah by a billion um I don't this doesn't really do anything to prove prove one way or the other other than I'm just still confused yeah I don't think that's going to happen in this game because obviously you're right about the defense.
Like the 49ers defense actually isn't that great. And especially since Hufanga has been out, their third down defense hasn't been great.
Guess what Patrick Mahomes does? He always gets third down conversions like that. That feels like he just breaks teams backs with plays out of nowhere in third down.
And their pass rush win rate has gone down since getting Chase Young. Yeah.
they've gotten worse at getting to the quarterback since chase has been on the team uh but i just think i think the niners are just they're just going to run the ball they're going to run the ball run the ball run the ball but if christian mcafree gets two touchdowns and the 49ers win i think that mcafree is going to end up with the mvp i agree with that the only thing is you you so they i agree that they're going to run the ball they're going to run the ball a lot they're one one stat that uh should have you a little scared and this is going to be a game of chess so i've shouted them out before but my guys from sports info solutions the chiefs defense stacks the box on 14 of the plays that's 28th highest uh rate in the league so they play a lot of light box and the the niners actually like to run against a stack box and throw against a light box so it's like it's kind of reversed where the chiefs are going to dare the niners to throw and the niners are going to have looks that they usually throw in so it's very weird to me like they usually they pass against a stack box yeah yeah they pass against a light box yes the niners like to run

the ball against stack boxes 48 stack box run rate highest in the league that doesn't make any sense to me i know but yeah weird okay yeah i just thought i saw that stat and i was like huh that's weird and so as much as i think the niners will be able to run the chiefs deep secondary has been so good. And if you say, okay, Chris McCaffrey is going to have 125 yards, but the Niners pass offense is only going to have 150.
I think the Chiefs would take that. Yeah, probably wouldn't.
Right? Like, cause you'll, you, even Chris McCaffrey, he could run, he could have an incredible game. You'll still be in some passing downs where you have to pick up a long third down.
And the Chief have been like legerius need to shut down every number one receiver like it's just i don't know i just keep going back to that and then my heart wants kittle who we're going to talk to in a second to win the super bowl so i am as twisted as possible yeah yeah you are i'm i'm i'm an absolute mess i would love to get kittle a super bowl i'd love to get trent williams a super bowl i'd like to see that happen um and like the niners they haven't been a long-suffering franchise it's not like minors fans are like oh shit we haven't won a super bowl i mean it's been a while since they've won a super bowl they're one of the elite franchise and the fact they're always competitive too it feels like more often than not the 49ers have a pretty good team at least recently um so it's not like you've got david versus goliath in this and uh i know one thing that does make me worried, the 49ers have a pretty good team, at least recently. So it's not like you've got David versus Goliath in this.
And one thing that does make me worried about the 49ers is the kicker. Moody.
Moody makes me nervous. Big, big.
Makes me very nervous. Even his makes don't look good.
Kicker and kicker quarterback coaches. I think those are all on the Chiefs side.
I was thinking about this today today i woke up and my first thought because i was watching get up as one does and uh they're talking about like clutch players right really interesting conversation and i was like can a coach be clutch you don't normally hear about coaches being clutch maybe kyle shanian's just not clutch yeah maybe he isn't yeah and he read is and he read his clutch as fuck but you read super clutch super experience. Andy Reid used to just not clutch.
Yeah. Maybe he isn't.
Yeah. Andy Reid is.
Andy Reid is clutch as fuck. Andy Reid's super clutch Super Bowl experience.
Andy Reid used to not be clutch. What? He got clutch.
Yeah. He gained the clutch gene.
He mutated himself. He just had to get to a certain age and then became clutch.
He biohacked his body and spawned the clutch gene. What were you going to say, Max? Yeah, I was going to say it.
That was his number one reason of why he wasn't Philly because he wasn't clutch. Yeah don't think the coach is clutch i think it's the quarterback yeah quarterback is clutch yeah donovan mcnab patrick holmes big difference huge difference uh either way i'm i i do think these two teams are like i think mcnab has more in common with his dad what mcnab mcnab has more in common with patrick holmes dad i mean mcnab is a good player let's not let's not say that wasn player McNabb wasn't a good quarterback I'm not talking about on the field Oh yeah Between the other lines You thought he was talking about Patrick Holmes Sr.
as a quarterback? Well I don't know He's a good quarterback Either way this game I expect this game to be a great game I'll be disappointed if it's not a great game You'll'll be disappointed the game. I will.
Yeah. Because these two teams are really fucking good.
My expectations were higher for you game. Seriously.
Yeah. No, I very upset.
It should be a good game. A lot of big name players.
A lot of there's not like a whole bunch of excitement in terms of like spicy storylines going to this game. Yeah.
It's more like, OK, we've got two good teams. We kind of expected both these teams to be in the conversation.
And there's no real bad blood, which kind of sucks. I would like somebody to, I don't know, get into a fight with somebody else.
Stir some shit up in the media. Yeah.
I want Debo to go on his podcast and be like, Kadarius Tony's a bitch. Kadarius Tony better not be playing.
If Kadarius Tony's active, that might make me switch. Yeah, you should.
No, I'm not joking. not joking that would make me switch yeah if he's part of any game plan i would switch to the niners he kind of won the super bowl last year he did kind of win the super bowl last year that's true he did have a clutch play he is clutch yeah he is clutch the um yeah it does feel like the the whatever's gonna happen is either gonna be mahomes goat, all that talk on Monday, or holy shit, Brock Purdy won a Super Bowl.
Yeah. Holy shit, Brock Purdy won a Super Bowl would be pretty fun.
It would be very fun. Yeah, because then...
I just keep going back to the fact that I do not want to start Sunday night's show, Monday's show, with the Kansas City Chiefs are Super Bowl champions and I bet on the Niners. Yeah.
That's what I don't want.

I have no problem doing that.

Yeah.

I'm fine with that.

He's kicked my teeth in enough.

I have a fun little Super Bowl stat for you from our friend Jay Kuda.

Do you know there's never been a seven-yard touchdown run in the Super Bowl?

I did see that, yeah.

That's fucking awesome.

It's pretty weird.

I kind of want to bet exactly seven-yard touchdown run.

Is that an option?

I don't know, but that's a wild thing for for uh he had all the listed is that the only yards that no no there's a ton of yards that haven't happened but obviously it's like when you get further down the line there hasn't been a 12 yard or 13 yard touchdown run but seven you'd think yeah i think there'd be a seven that feels like mcafree territory right yeah seven yards yeah um also i i think i saw a stat that was like the team that's closer to the super bowl site usually wins that means really nothing but niners niners are closer yeah yeah do we want to do prop bets let's do them i got i got some ones i'm i'm very confident in some ones that i'm terrified of okay well let's max you have some prop bets too yeah i got. Okay, go ahead.
This first one's really fun. It's probably the most fun thing in football.
It's what I care about the most. I don't really care about wins and losses as much as I care about this.
It has happened three times in the Super Bowl before. So I think that this year could be the fourth.
I'm going to go with Scorigami. Oh, nice one.
I like that. My favorite thing in football.
I love Scorigamis. Plus, it's the best.
Yeah. What is it? The only...
This is mine. All three times.
You know this is just that. This is my problem.
Did you also... You wanted to do the octopus, too? Did you have octopus? Oh, octopus is on there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, nice.
All three Scorigamis in the Super Bowl have involved the Denver Broncos. Oh, interesting.
Okay. Wins and loss.
Okay, so PFT, what are your confident... confident let's start with the confident and we'll go from confident to crazy you want me to give you a confident one yeah no fucking doinks oh no doinks we're running it back i got doing big time last year and i just realized i i'm talking about moody and even his mace even his makes are close to being misses and also last year it was bucker the doink ited.
It was Bucker that doinked. He's a good kicker.
There's no chance he double doinks. No chance.
So what I'm doing is I'm going to have my vengeance on the doink from last year. I'm going to double my bet this year and go no doinks.
Hank, will you be responding in kind? I have to. Yeah, you have to doink.
You're a fucking asshole, Hank. Hank, you're such a dickhead.
What are the odds on no doink? It's minus 750. It's an investment.
It's an investment. It's safe.
Now, Hank, you were a dickhead last year about it. You basically just bet it.
I was a winner last year. No, you made it happen, and you lost me a bunch of money.
I literally said in real time, I was like, the odds are too good to to pass up you think they're gonna have two super bowls in a row with doinks no but get a calculator it doesn't happen just you know out of spite out of spite after all i've done for you all right do you want me to ride no no no 750 i could never no that's a crazy number it's an investment that's a crazy number it's an investment okay I have one that I I like that uh is not crazy but it's fun one I I think I've betted every single Super Bowl not only tails we all are betting tails yeah uh over two and a half players to to throw a pass I love that yeah because you just feel like there has to be at least one trick play in this game Debo maybe maybe Kelsey and there Someone's going to have to. What? McCaffrey.
Someone gets injured for a second. I was going to say, injuries.
Yeah. Although when they get injured for a second, they usually hand it off.
But I always love it because you're just rooting for a trick play to happen. Yeah.
The Chiefs do love like tinkering around in the red zone. Empty the clip.

Empty the clip.

Yeah. Let's have a trick play.

You could even get like a little double reverse where the wide receiver

like just tosses it just a little bit forward.

I like that a lot.

I'd like that a lot.

Hank, what's your favorite one?

I'm to my last two Super Bowls.

I went mega on opening kick.

Touchback or not touchback.

I forget which one.

I think it was touchback. It was touchback.
That hit for the Rams. Everyone think it was like 25 times in a row.
It hadn't hit. It did last year.
No doink or doink. That hit easy.
It was easy. Shut up.
But it was. It was too easy.
It was very easy. Honestly, I would not be betting this if I hadn't gotten doing.
No, it's a spite bet. You have to fight bet.
I have to double down. And guess what? If it doinks again, I'm going to double down again next year.
There's one bet, one profit on here that I'll be loading up, unloading the clip, emptying the clip, putting it all on this one prop. Will any punt result in a touchback? Yes.
I have that one too, Hank. I mean, let's ride.
Yeah. How does that not happen? It's got to hit.
So it is plus 135.

Those are just fun ones.

Yeah.

Every punt.

We got a chance.

There's going to be a fucking touchback on one of these punts.

Adrenaline's pumping.

You're trying to, you know,

cough in corner goes five yards too far.

Punch touchback.

Yeah.

Like Ray, Ray McLeod is going to be standing on the 10.

He's going to wave his hand over his head,

signaling a fair catch.

And at the last second, he's going to sprint away. The ball is going to bounce at the seven roll into the end zone and all the players on the chiefs are gonna be like oh i thought it was gonna fair catch it and then we're gonna be like we're rich yeah i love that let's do it okay i'm in on that with you guys what other ones you guys got um i'm doing over 1.5 coaches challenges.
Throwing the flags.

Let's get the flags out there.

Oh, I love doing the first time out too.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Yeah, that one's just... Andy Reid.

Yeah.

I had that too.

I wanted to do Niners first challenge

because I think the guys on the field are going to be going for Mahomes.

Mahomes will always get the benefit of the doubt.

So that Niners first challenge was minus 105.

You think the refs, the script is in. They they need the homes kelsey swift to win correct so they're gonna call something a little shady and cal's gonna be like yeah got it i like that that's good logic uh you guys are talking about it but the team with the most third down conversions chiefs minus 120 oh okay like my homes like you just said my homes my homes converts he makes plays happen especially early yeah um the uh over 1.5 coaches challenges by the way it's plus 300 three to one so i like that i like uh color of body armor poured on wedding coach clear slash water okay okay armor sport water okay nice plus 700 yeah do some sport water on alkaline water travis kelsey mvp yeah for the storyline i just don't see a way that kelsey gets mvp and mahomes doesn't though because they're sick of mahomes who the the media and they want to give it to kelsey you think the media is sick of mahomes no but i'm just saying that this just sounded right fatigue yeah it did sound right the.
The only way. The real answer is there's no way.

Yeah, there's no way.

But if you're looking for an answer, it's fatigue.

Or the storyline.

The media votes.

But again, how like it would have to be that Kelsey got like if Kelsey has two touchdowns,

125 yards, Patrick Mahomes would have to have an interception in only like 200 yards.

Yeah.

He'd have to play bad.

Right.

He'd have to play bad, but the Chiefs would win. And Kelsey had to go off.
Yeah. And if Kelsey goes off.
He'd have like a miraculous catch. Isn't that how, did Edelman win that year? Edelman won a Super Bowl MVP.
I mean, the Cooper Cup won a couple years ago. I think the best MVP that's not one of the quarterbacks or Christian McCaffrey is Debo.
Because Debo, he could do the Debo thing where he takes like a seven yard slant to the house. He's going to run the ball as well.
Debo could end up with a crazy stat line that doesn't directly say Brock Purdy was the MVP. Whereas everyone else receiver, it's very hard to make the argument how a receiver could get it or a tight end without the quarterback winning it yes yeah um what about kicker what about kicker mvp oh you don't like moody nine to three i don't know i don't like moody but now i now i really do like i'm like actually no i'm just if a kicker was going to win they would just give it to the defense no because if a kick listen these kickers are gonna be so good they're gonna be splitting the uprights.
Balls are going to be selling right down the middle.

Shut the fuck up.

Here's one that I really love.

Actually, now that I'm looking through these list of prop bets,

I love every prop bet that I'm making.

So I am confident in all these.

Yeah, that's every single time. I think the Bucs Chiefs Super Bowl, I had 10 prop bets,

and I went one and nine.

And before the game, I was like, this is going to rock. I'm going to win all.
No, I've got it figured out. I've got it all figured out.
This is one of those bets I've been doing during the playoffs where you find something weird and the odds are so good on it. And you think to yourself, why doesn't this happen in every single game? Like, why are these odds like that? And so I hit on one of those.
I lost on one of them. But this one seems too easy to be plus 2200 so it's 22 to one each team to score one or more touchdowns and one or more field goals in each half no so both teams need a touchdown and field goal in each half i did this how does that not hit i did yeah he did this for bills chiefs yeah it's impossible it's not impossible it's it's very hard you have a limited mindset you realize it's extremely hard it's also hard for a team like the Chiefs.
Yeah. It's impossible.
It's not impossible. It's very hard.
You have a limited mindset.

It's harder than you realize.

It's extremely hard.

It's also hard for a team like the Chiefs who,

if they have a lead at halftime,

they're going to go in just full.

I mean, they're under,

and every second half has been insane.

Yeah.

Also, that means you need four scoring drives in a half.

There's only, what, like each team gets the ball?

No, no, you just need two scoring.

Oh, yeah, you're right.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right, yeah.

It's a lot.

You only get, what, each team gets three or four drives? You just saw the 22. You know what? I'll do it.
I saw 22. You said it.
You said it, so I'll do it. I'm just thinking why.
The last one that I like is length of longest drive over 77 and a half yards. I like that.
Okay. You don't even have to score.
You just have to go over 77 and a half yards. Yeah, it's good.
It would be crazy if you didn't score that,

but both offenses should,

and that could also be a huge play.

Yeah.

I hope we get a couple of huge plays. Shot plays.

Hank, are you actually betting doink?

I want you to.

Oh, yeah, he definitely.

I want you to because I want to beat you again.

The other lock that I like is longest drive over 80 and a half. Wait, what? Are you serious? Serious, Clark? What just happened? He just said.
Wait, wait, hold on. Let him cook.
Let him cook. Go ahead.
Why? Why do you think? Hold up. Hold up.
Let him cook. We're talking about profits.
And the one I love, I was just looking, researching researching maybe not fully listening.

I literally just said over 77 and a half yards longest drive.

And then I was.

Yeah, no, that's huge difference. I like 80.

What are your odds, Hank?

It was maybe 10 seconds ago.

Yeah, I couldn't have been quick.

The next thing after I said, oh, maybe a big play. Don't have to score.
Yeah. You just dropped that.
All right. We're in lockstep, Hank.
Great minds. Not unless it's a 78-yard drive.
Then you're not. Yeah.
There was discourse around it. It was a thing.
I know the position, Hankson. It's the worst feeling.
Just getting caught. Well, no.
I heard 77 and a half. I just want to make it clear that I like the 80 and a half.
Different bet. Yeah, no, completely different bet.
Baby bump. Better value.
Chiefs cornerback, LeJarius Sneed. Did you get an interception? Yeah, you said it.
I don't know if we can translate that to the defense, though. Didn't Schrager have LeJarius Sneed scoring a pick six? No, that's what's his name? Oh, McDuffie uh what's his name oh mcduffie yeah yeah yeah 34 if you want to do an exact score 34 28 chiefs okay that's what trager 24 chiefs we are we are riding with boomer right yes that is uh mvs first touchdown scorer and kyle ushek anytime touchdown score yep i also think that think that I'm just going to bet Travis Kelsey a score touchdown.
It seems like a smart bet. You have to do it.
Last one I love is a doink field goal. Thanks.
It's going to be my last. Okay, nice.
Travis Kelsey a score touchdown. Yeah, nice.
Nice. All right, wait.
So do we have a nerd nugget? Well, I have a top five countdown. I don't have to read them all.
We have five nerd nuggets? I don't have to read them all. They're all really cool.
But I can just do one. How about top two? Okay.
Hello? Oh, shit. I got an emergency at home.
I got to go. All right.
Good luck, Big Cat. All right.
I heard you guys on Sunday when PFT was like, who's excited? And Big Cat's like, yeah. I'm not going to be as down on the nerd nugget noise because I don't have headphones in.
True. So it will be less grading on my mind, body, and soul.
But your nerd nugget of the week, don't do that for both of them, please. No, no, no.
So there are five nerd nuggets. I have five.
I'll give you two. I mean, listen, give us all five.
It's the last game of the season. Yeah.
You don't have to hear this again until September. There will not be Nerd Nuggets for March Madness.
Okay. Okay.
I was thinking about it. But I'll cancel it for next season.
No, no, no. No, no.
Let's go. I want to.
This is the soup bowl. We got to fucking do it.
Yeah. You got five nerd nuggets.
I want to hear all of them. All right.
We'll grade them. Let's do this.
Let's grade them on zero – like the dunk contest, zero to ten each one. What's the over-under of Jake's nerd nuggets for the total score? So you guys get 30 – so max 150.
Zero to ten. You guys get all tens.
Yeah. That's 30 times five is 150.
That's too high of a number. Zero to five.
Okay. Zero to five.
So what's the max score? Okay. Perfect.
75. Shout out Supercuts.
Yep. I'm going to just think about my 25 points that could come at him.
I think the over-under for me is going to be about 12 and a half. Okay.
I was going to say mine's going to be like around six 10 okay all right so that's so so jake if you can beat let's say 30 out of 75 then you've got the nerd nuggets hit okay big moment yeah last chance all right someone someone do someone count max count i can write you got our best guy on it yeah um he just took off he just took off his shoes and socks. He's ready to go.
Got me, fan. Okay.
Excluding the Super Bowl, head-to-head in the history of the Chiefs and 49ers, their records are dead even. Seven wins, seven losses apiece.
The Chiefs and 49ers also have identical all-time winning percentages, 54.8%. Okay.
Via Jay Kuda. Zero, because you did it excluding the Super Bowl.
That's a pretty big game. I was thinking for Jay Kuda.
I'm going to go with two. That was long.
I was losing. Zero, two.
So that's not your stat, Jake? Well, none of these are. You don't create stats.
Someone does. Also, Jay Kuda, part of it is the visualization.
You like put the blaze black and then gray. But I think excluding the Super Bowl is a pretty big piece of this.
I'm going to give it a two because it is kind of wild that they're exactly even. Okay, so what do you got? Zero, two, two.
Okay, four. Yeah.
All right. If the 49ers win, Ed and Christian McCaffrey will be just the second father-son duo to win a Super Bowl for the same franchise.

Steve D'Aussi and Zach D'Aussi, who both played for the Giants.

Related to that, Ed McCaffrey and Mike Shanahan won three Super Bowls together.

Now their sons, Christian and Kyle, have a chance to win one together.

Okay.

I like that one.

Yeah, I'll give it a three.

I'll give it a three.

I'm going to give it a two.

Okay.

So we're up to nine.

I'm going to give it a two because we had said that.

Yeah. Right.
Super Bowl. Yeah.
Right. But still cool.
Okay. So we're up to nine.
Let me give it a two because we had said that. Yeah.

Right.

Super Bowl storyline.

But still cool.

Okay.

13 total.

Also, here's another wild one.

Tack this one on, Jake.

The last running back to win Super Bowl MVP was who?

Terrell Davis.

Terrell Davis played for Mike Shanahan on Ed McCaffrey's team.

Yeah.

All right.

Number three.

Terrell Davis and Christian McCaffrey probably have met. Probably.
Oh, I want to get like a young picture of. I think I actually saw one recently that was pretty cool.
That would be wild. Yeah.
Number three. Umpire Terry Killens is a member of the officiating crew for Super Bowl 58.
Why is this significant? He will become the first player ever to both play and officiate a Super Bowl. Killens was a member of the 99 Titans that played in Super Bowl 34.

That's lost it.

It's narc behavior, though.

Like if you're an NFL player and you're right, I can't wait to become a cop.

Yeah.

No, I think that's a one for me.

That's a cool one.

Yeah, but they lost the Super Bowl.

Also, yeah.

Why would you want to become a ref after being a player?

That's insane.

It's weird, isn't it?

It's very weird.

I really like the way that you said, why is this significant?

Yeah, that was good. It had a little flair.
I'm going to give it a two. It's like you're giving like an essay, like a school essay.
Why is this significant? Why is this significant? I'm going to go with thesis. This guy played and reffed in a Super Bowl.
I'm going to go with three. Okay.
Okay. So what is that? What do I give it? A two? Nine.
I'm at 19. Okay.
Okay. I like the inflection.
The two?

I'm at 19.

Okay.

Two to go.

Oh, wow.

I'm ahead of pace.

I'm like right on pace.

Yep.

All right.

Number two.

This is from an AWL.

Okay.

Dylan.

The only quarterbacks to beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs so far are Tom Brady and Joe

Burrow, whose backups were once Blaine Gabbert and Brandon Allen in games where they beat

Mahomes.

Guess who two of the backups in Super Bowl 58 are? Blaine Gabbert and Brandon Allen in games where they beat Mahomes. Guess who two of the backups in Super Bowl 58 are?

Blaine Gabbert and Brandon Allen.

I'm going to give us a five.

That's a good one.

I'll give you a four on that one.

That's kind of cool.

I'm going to go three again.

Wait, we're going to get Brandon Allen.

He's the third string.

Oh.

Yeah.

Two of the backups.

Yeah.

Oh.

But that's still crazy.

Down to a two.

They were the backups. Well, Darnold, yeah.
Yeah. Two.
I'm going two. What do we got? You gave a five? I just like, I like any stats that are pro Mahomes losing.
Are you betting on the Chiefs or the Niners? I bet on the Chiefs. The game ended and you convinced me to bet on the Chiefs, so I put the bet in on the Chiefs.

You made him do that. I haven't.

Yeah.

I haven't.

You can't cash out in Vegas.

So you're, okay.

So I've been taking it all in

and then I'm going to make a decision Saturday or Sunday

when I get back.

But it's hard for me to think about cashing out

and betting on the Niners.

Why?

Just because it's the Chiefs in it.

It's Mahomes.

Like we've said a million times,

if you lose with Mahomes, you're going to feel like an idiot. It's Sunday night.
And if you guys are both in the 49ers, I don't know. We're losers.
Yeah. But think about how smart.
And you can't get mad at me because you were the one that made me put the bet in the first or convinced me to put the bet in in the first place. Think about how smart you'd feel, though, if Brock Purdy beat Patrick Holmes to the Super Bowl.
Also, much like I think it was the Packers, whatever the game Big Cat talked about, or game of the year, if I lose the bet and the Chiefs lose, I won't be that mad. Right.
Right. You'll be like, okay, Mahomes didn't win a Super Bowl.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's how I'm feeling as well. It's what we talked about with Boomer.
There are certain people, Belichick, Saban, Mahomes, Brady, where you can double lose because you can bet against them and then feel like the biggest idiot being like, why didn't you bet on these guys? So I'm probably not going to. I'm probably just going to go mega lock on touchback punt.
Yeah. Chiefs.
Yeah. I think I'm probably going to load up on props too.
Okay. Touchback punt.
So we're at 28. Okay.
With one to go. And that brings us to.
Zero. Nerd nugget of Super Bowl 58.
This keeps getting worse. Zero.
Went all out for that one. Okay.
With the 49ers and Chiefs having no Alabama it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what anything said from here on out say anything with the 49ers literally you could just be like and the nerd nugget is PFT Big Cat and Hank are getting a million dollars from me I'd be like zero okay With the 49ers and Chiefs having no Alabama players on the active roster, a remarkable streak will continue. No player who finished college at Alabama has scored a point in the history of the Super Bowl.
Players from 143 other colleges, ranging from the Coast Guard, one point, to Miami, 84, have scored in a Super Bowl. That's pretty cool stat.
That is a good stat, Jake, I got to say. It's zero for me, but that's a great stat.
It was a great stat. The only thing is finish at Alabama because Jalen Hurts.
But it's true. Yeah.
So zero. Also, but how many players drop out early because they're – Well, not – Is this degree? Is this a degree? No player with degree.
No, he finished college at Alabama. So I don't know what that means.
Wait, Devontae Smith didn't score last year? This is from Josh Dubow. I don't think so.
Oh, okay. So I need two from Hank to graduate.
What happens if you don't graduate? I don't think anything. I'll give you one and a half.
Give him 1.9999999999. All right.
So zeros from you guys. That is a good stuff.
It's Alabama. It's a Super Bowl.
That is crazy. That's a stunning stat.
Jake, we did agree. It's a good stat.
It's a great score that we gave you a zero, which means nothing. Doesn't.
Yeah. The song was three times longer.
Conservatively. I mean, I had to.
That was a fish jam you just did. It was Freebird.
But those are your nerd nuggets of the 2024. That is a crazy stat.
Like, I don't. Now, is it touchdown throws? No.
Coast Guard got one point. Well, Jalen Hurts.
Well. You said a Coast Guard.
You said a Coast Guard. You said a Coast Guard.
So touchdown throws. Throws don't count touchdown touchdown throws don't count because joe named it yeah yeah yeah person who like like in fantasy they have to score the credit but like yeah okay you're betting on an anytime touchdown score that's that is crazy that is crazy the fact that it's alabama is insane yeah okay people from the Coast Guard have.
Yeah. All right.
Good job, Jake. Thanks.
Yeah.

I'm not good enough. 29.9999.
Yep. Yeah.
I mean, if someone's you for, that was a great stat. So it was kind of, you know, it just happened that way.
I completely lost track of the scores. So I'm happy.
Jake, backup boy had you after like, oh yeah. PFT said we got our best guy on it.
Did you think he was being real? I got three of PFT's scores for Big Cats. Yeah, best guy.
I'm the best guy. I'm the best big boy.
Yeah. I'm your best boy.
I've added some to the bonk list this week, Hank, to back you up. Mm-hmm.
Nice. I don't know.
I haven't done a single horny thing this week while watching Miley Cyrus on TV.

Yeah.

Final thoughts about the Super Bowl?

Anything?

Who's wearing white?

Chiefs are, I think.

No, Chiefs are wearing red.

Oh, they are?

Oh.

That means something.

That hurts you.

Why?

I just feel like the Chiefs are red.

Although, no. No, Chiefs and white.

That's what scares me.

Super Bowl red for Chiefs.

Yeah, Chiefs and white scare me. I have one more prop.
Over 75. Yeah.
Yeah. Over 75.
I wonder what the alt line to that actually would be. Wait, so what did the Chiefs wear in the first one that they played? They were red in the 49ers one, so they won that one.
They wore red in the Bucs one. They won that one.
Did they wear red last year or they were white? They wear red last year they were white the box one you're right they're one and one in red what did they wear last year i think they were white last year they were white so they're yes so in red they're one and one yeah okay so they're beatable they're beatable and they can win and they can win but they're beat. That's like all the stats and everything that I've looked up this past, you know, whatever, however long we've been thinking about the Super Bowl, it just always leads back to these two teams are really good.
I don't know who's going to win. Yeah.
I'm fucked. I love the idea of Brock Purdy winning a Super Bowl.
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That's SupercutsHighScore.com to register today okay here he is george kittle okay we now welcome on a very very very very very special guest one of our good friends part of you can't tell the story of uh the history of pardon my take without george kittle we're here Super Bowl week he was able to get us access to the hotel

George the history of Pardon My Take without George Kittle. We're here Super Bowl week.
He was able to get us access to the hotel. George, first of all, thank you for doing that.
We're excited to have you back on. Back at the Super Bowl.
Yeah. Well, first, thanks for having me back.
I'm still wearing my recurring guest shirt. It's somewhere in the mail.
It's coming. You guys said it a while ago, right? Like three years ago? Three people have those shirts.

I think Rachel Nichols has one, Spencer Hawes has one,

and Randy Moss has the other.

Those are three good people to have them.

Well, the horse racing Randy Moss.

White Randy Moss.

Yeah.

All right.

So we have told this story before,

but the first time we ever met George

was when we were actually at 49ers camp in 2018.

What was your rookie year?

It was 18 because McVenche was there. 18, and we interviewed Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, and Joe Staley, and Staley said to us, they're like, hey, we got this rookie tight end who's a big fan of you guys.
Can you just take a picture? And we're like, yeah, I guess. We'll take a picture with a fan.
It turns out he's the best tight end in the league. So that was fun.
And then we had John for the Super Bowl in Miami. Yeah.
Didn't go great. But my first question is that clip of you on the sideline, are you sick of that clip yet of you saying I will be back? I get tagged into a bunch.
A bunch. Yeah.
Sure. I'm like, I do a pretty good job of like not diving into all the, like the Super Bowl social media stuff.
So I don't see it too often. I do.
If I click on the tag button, that's most of my tagged photos and tweets. What are they called? They still called tweets? Yeah.
X's. X's.
Posts, X videos. Yeah.
You're featured on one of the most viewed X videos of all time, which is pretty cool. You and Drake.
It is what it is. Have you seen the Drake video? He burst onto the scene this morning.
Did he not? I think he leaked that himself. He looks good.
He looks great. He looks good.
I saw someone talking about it. They were like, it doesn't hurt him.
Yeah. No, not at all.
As someone who has bad angles all the time on the internet, I would say that was a good angle. That was a great angle.
That was a great angle. But in that clip, it wasn't that you said, like, I will be back.
You said, I will be back with a vengeance.

So do you have a vengeance right now?

Yeah, it's building up.

You know, it's not something like I'm not sitting in vengeance right now, like just, you know, like oozing vengeance.

No, it's nothing like that.

It's just, you know, you learn from your opportunities.

I mean, you can, like, sit in sorrow and stuff like that.

Or I also, like, my dad always tells me to speak things into existence.

So, like, hey, man, that one got away from me.

I want to be back.

Speak it into existence.

and I'm going to go to the next episode. like sitting sorrow and stuff like that or i also like my dad always tells me speak things into existence so like hey man that one got away from me i want to be back speaking into existence and i have another opportunity and you know hopefully you'll see that side of me on sunday i want to see vengeance on sunday yeah i do too i would love to see it would that mean i win yeah yeah i would love i would love to see that are you treating it like you've been to a super bowl so have you are you doing anything different or are you just like it's football we're playing football um playing football like i definitely learned things like the biggest thing like when you go to a super bowl like the flashing lights the interviews the people that want to take you places the restaurants right oh hey come eat here your agent wants to get food with you my agent actually hasn't asked me to so good for him yep but um but like that's like the story i hear from everybody i think the last time we went to miami um i think you know you get caught up in the hype of the super bowl and i think it's the team who like does the best job of like sticking to your routine making sure your body's healthy your mind's healthy and that you're ready to roll and not really worrying about the outside stuff yeah so i think that's one of the best things we've learned as a team annoying podcasters asking you to come on this is this is like this is always great for me yeah i love I love this.
We appreciate that very much. It's very funny how we're set up.
The NFL gives us no access whatsoever. It doesn't want us near anything.
And then this would be two years in a row where we're just like waltz into the team hotel. Yeah.
Like, yeah, we're okay. I like you guys.
Yeah. You guys have my stamp of approval.
I appreciate that. Last time, it was before the Super Bowl, we interviewed you And you talked about your dad writing you the letters Did he blame himself For not writing a good enough letter Because I bet you he's going to have A hell of a letter for you on Sunday No I will say he definitely was like Wow that's actually a great That's a great question Internally he probably blames himself but he would never say that to me You know? I think me and Big Cat made you a visual letter.
I think we put a video out. We're going to do that again.
Or do we not do it again? No, we don't do it. I think maybe it's us.
We should take the blame for that. You should take the blame.
Yeah. Well, I've told you that I'm doing game of the year.
Right now, as of right now in the Chiefs, which is good for you because I'm the worst gambler ever, my heart is all Niners. I want you to win a Super Bowl very, very badly.
That I will get in front of the train and hopefully lose money for you to win a Super Bowl. Because I want you to be a Super Bowl winner.
How could you be a better friend than that? Yeah, it's like I want you to have, you deserve a Super Bowl ring. Thank you.
And you seem like a guy who will wear it all the time if you get one. I would like to wear Yes.
That'd be fun. Yes.
That'd be a fun opportunity. I also noticed that you've officially made it, and I want to say you've made it because I feel like you don't make it until one of those Twitter ex-guys, influencers like a Joe Pompliano or one of those guys does a long thread about someone.
So I saw there was a long thread about you other day was there which was very cool what was it i didn't i didn't know some of the story so it was basically about like your perseverance oh making it my mom sent me that yeah it was very cool so i had no idea and you could tell the story obviously because your life but you on national signing day there was a chance you were just not going to go to Iowa. Yeah, there was.

So what exactly transpired?

They basically, I didn't talk to a single coach.

Like I went to a couple Iowa football camps growing up.

You know, I did fine.

But like in high school, I was like 6'1 1⁄2", 6'2", 175 pounds.

Not a lot going on there.

And so my dad was in contact with one of their coaches because my dad played there.

Kirk Ferentz was at my dad's wedding, parents wedding um so they had that relationship and like hey we have a couple scholarship offers out um if they all say no hey george might get one um if they say yes we know we can talk about doing like a gray shirt which is like you know you show up a whole semester early and you start that following off season that would have have been tough. Yes.
That's not fun. But there's like – and then on signing day, like chilling, I went off from Weber State, Air Force, and Navy.
That's my three offers. Super sick.
That's crazy. You've been awesome at Navy.
You literally were told, like, yeah, there's two guys that if they say yes, you're just shit out of luck. So, like, two guys said no, and then they gave a scholarship to an offensive lineman,

defensive lineman from Illinois, and then I got the last one.

That's insane.

That was awesome. And, like, you'd have to – do you think about that moment where it's like, hey,

things could have been very different if you go to Air Force, Navy.

Like, you probably can't play in the pros because you've got to be in the Air Force

or the Navy.

You're not wrong.

Yeah.

Yeah, it would have been crazy.

And now you're the best tight end. Travis Kelsey said that, by the way.
That is. You're the best tight end in the NFL.
Thanks, Travis. It's an awesome story.
I had no idea. And the whole thread also was like, you know, when he got there, he was small.
Yeah, I stunk. But Kirk Ferencz was basically like, this guy doesn't quit.
He's got a motor. And getting into what was it, between your sophomore and junior year

or junior and senior year?

My redshirt junior year, so my fourth year of college,

that's when the light bulb went off.

And I was like, ah, football.

What was it?

What was it that flipped for you?

It was a combination of the bowl game.

We played in the Tax Slayer Bowl, and we lost like a billion to zero

to Tennessee. Okay.
That's like an Iowa tradition. It is an Iowa tradition.
I was 0 for 4 in bowl games, so that's super fun. Okay, okay.
But we lost that game, and I was like fourth on the depth chart, and I had younger guys ahead of me and stuff, and I was like, oh, this sucks. I'm definitely not going to achieve my dream – I have two years left.
I've been kind of, like, squandering a little bit.

And then literally that offseason, that's, like, whatever,

winter workouts and stuff like that, Pat Inger was in the building.

And Kirk Ferentz always told this story about how Pat, like,

his first two and a half years at Iowa just kind of – he got hammered,

went out all the time, was like – and then he would fight people.

So he'd get in trouble all the time.

I just asked him, I was like, what switch flip for you?

And he was like, I just realized that I like football a lot

and I like that more than partying.

And I was like, I like the party and I love football.

So I'm going to try that same thing.

Literally just kind of reprioritized my goals

and it just kind of a switch flip for me,

started making plays in practice.

And then not going to lie either,

there were a couple of injuries ahead of me too.

And so I just got thrown into an opportunity.

I took advantage of it.

That's awesome.

I mean, it's i mean it's just it's crazy because you see everyone who's playing

in the super bowl you're like oh they were the best for their whole life like they were you know

snubs like no it's it's that that's a grind yeah it's a grind people don't see so i'm happy for

that thread that we've got posted thank you man yeah it was a fun one what about when you get to

the league was there because we were talking to max crosby the other day and he was saying that

Thank you, man. Yeah.
It was a fun one, man. Sick.
What about when you get to the league? Because we were talking to Max Crosby the other day, and he was saying that he got motherfucked for his first six weeks, eight weeks of being on the team in camp. He would pull up all his clips and practice and be like, well, you did everything wrong here, basically.
So when you got to the NFL, did you hit the ground running, or was there a big learning curve for you? A little bit of both um what was really beneficial for me was with coach Shanahan's run game outside zone gap scheme that's what we did to Iowa so like when they showed up like I was like oh I know how to do this like that's good I'm great and um like and like it took me a while to you know get used to blocking like all NFL football players and stuff like that but But I did a really good job in rookie minicamp.

OTAs did a great job.

My first training camp, I got hurt.

I think it was the first day of pads.

I pulled my hamstring.

That was tough.

But I was doing really well in the run game.

So I had no worries there.

And then the pass game stuff, I just kind of picked up.

But I made some big plays in OTAs.

They were like, oh, this kid can play a little bit.

And then I had one preseason game where I scored a touchdown.

CJ threw me a ball in the flat, and I ran. I broke a tackle in the end zone and they traded our starting tight in the next day and i was like oh hey okay you're like the leo meme like me i'm it's me now i was like what i'm not what yeah and then um but like i did have that also like the, I did get yelled at.
I'll never forget my rookie year.

We're playing Minnesota in a preseason game.

And, like, I wouldn't say I was going through the motions.

I was just kind of like, wow, this is really cool.

I'm an NFL football player. But, like, I didn't have, like – I wasn't, like, dialed in at that time.

And I had, like, three or four MAs in a row in the first half.

And I come in at halftime.

And my old tight ends coach, he's in Miami now, John Embry.

He, like – I'm, like, going in to listen to Kyle, like, break down,

hey, this is what we're going to do.

And then one of the guys, like, hey, Embry wants to see you in the coach locker.

We're going to do. And then one of the guys like, hey, Embry wants to see you in the coach locker.
I'm like, oh, great. This is going to be a great conversation.
I go in there. I've never been yelled at like that in my entire life.
And John Embry is like, I view him like he's like my dad in the NFL, nothing but respect for the guy. Like he's one of the reasons I am where I am today.
And like just helped me develop a mindset. But he was basically just said, he was like, what do you think you're doing? Like you are squandering your opportunity.
You have an opportunity to be a starting tight end in the NFL. Figure it out.
Are you going to play? Are you just going to, are you going to screw it off? And you're going to lose this opportunity. You're never going to have an opportunity again.
Like this is your opportunity. Go do something.
Light switch flip. Had a great second half played at a high level.
And it just kind of took off from that's awesome so if you had to pick right now um scoring a touchdown yep or pancake block because you had both in the in these playoffs so far you had the touchdown against the packers and then you had uh the pancake block on aiden hutchinson which was football porn which one do you like to do more that was literally just for the nfc north Yeah. Yeah, you did.
Yeah, you just conquered the NFC North. I did text you before the Packers game.
I was like, you are my lord and savior. Please protect me.
That was a great meme. And you were like, I got you.
That was a great meme that you sent me. Yeah, I needed it.
Oh, you didn't. Yeah.
In the Super Bowl, I think I would take a touchdown because those are hard to come by. Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, you get nice block, and Christian runs right off of it, and he goes for 20 yards, and it's just like, ah, that was very fulfilling. So, yeah, I like pancaking people, especially defensive ends.
Yeah, and you also love just catching the ball and just dominating people. You do not want to go down.
No, why would I? I don't get that many opportunities, so when I get the ball, I don't really want to get tackled. Yeah, yeah.
I like to the uh the pancake on aiden was great because when we watched it we were like i guarantee you he's laughing during this play and then nfl films puts out the clip later in the week and it was like yeah you are laughing like during the play and what was the word he said he said receptive proprio yeah you messed with his proprioceptiveness our helmets got a little click together and he was like i messed with my proprioception i was like that's not a football word yeah that's that's a kid from michigan pancakes that's a michigan guy being like you beat the fuck out of me yeah i guess i was like i'm more of like a perturbation guy like that's the term that i would use but like proprioception sure i get it but i think like 75 of the people that watch that were like i gotta google that yeah how often do you laugh during a game 75 of it yeah i was chuckling myself the entire time. Because it must be fun to just run people over.
I would laugh, too. That would be, like, the highlight of my life.
I just, like, I see, like, Debo make a cool catch. I'm like, ha, ha, he's really good.
That's so cool. So you want a touchdown? You want a touchdown in the Super Bowl? I'd love a touchdown.
I get that. I also was just told downstairs that an Iowa player has never scored in the Super Bowl before.
Oh, wow. It would be a big first.
What is it about Iowa that you guys just can't play offense and then you have the best tight ends in the league? It's crazy. Porter, Hawkinson, you, Noah Fant.
But then you watch Iowa football. They had more punt yards than offensive yards.
Troy Taylor, a punt guard. You know what, man? I don't know what it is.
I don't know if it's a combination of, you know, they have a lot of young guys. Recruiting's a part of it.
Like, I'm not in the building every single day. I don't see it.
But, like, the defense obviously is doing really good things. They're coached well.
Like, I think the team's coached well. It's just you just got to have a – I think they just got to have to kind of reboot the offense.
It's just like you just got to try something different. Like, Wisconsin tried something different.
Like, was it amazingly successful? No. But was it better than Iowa's? Yeah.
It was. So, like, just try something different.
Because if you keep pouring out, like, a top-five offense and top-five special teams unit, and you have a top-80 offense, you're going to win games. And the fact that they won 10 games this year is insane.
It's insane. You should have won 11.
Yeah. They should have.
Yeah. The Minnesota game, that was BS.
Yeah. No, it was.
Can you imagine if they won 11 games? What if they would have snuck into the playoffs? That would have been – honestly, that's what I was rooting for. So bad.
I think you tweeted something about that or X something about that. It was crazy because I think I'm the only one – I always think the Badgers and the Hawkeyes are kind of like long – I said they're like Kane and Undertaker.
They're long-lost brothers where they play a very similar style of football yeah and then we went to the running gun this year and you guys just keep sucking at offense but you're winning games and I'm like I might be the only football fan in the world who's like I kind of want that like I wish that we were Iowa this year because there's something about it like you're winning games that's what's the cool part winning doesn't matter how it happens just winning is fun Winning is so much fun. Like every game was like 12 to 6.
It was crazy. I think their over under was like 30 in all their games, and they still went like 11 to 1.
Did they have like two of the lowest over unders this year in the history of college football? Yeah. It was just that one.
It was Northwestern. Yeah.
28 and a half. 28 and a half.
I bet the over on that at Wrigley Field. And it was just.
Was it the under? Oh, yeah. Big time.
I think there were maybe 10, 7 or something. Yeah.
Incredible. I respect the hell out of Iowa fans because they show up and they are the drunkest fan base I've ever seen.
They drink more than any. They drink Wrigley Field out.
Yeah, they did. They drank out Wrigleyville, too.
The bars ran out of beer. There was a guy that was.
I went to. I went to dinner before the game, like the Friday night before the game, and I went to a nice steakhouse, and it was just full of people wearing their nicest Iowa pullovers.
Yeah. Pullovers, pullovers.
I got my golf shirt. I'm getting dressed up tonight for a steak.
Gotta have Iowa on. It's incredible.
Before the game kicked off, I was in the bathroom at Wrigley Field, and they have the trough style urinal. Amazing.
And this dude comes in, Iowa fan, head to toe, and just goes up right next to me at the trough, takes his pants down and starts to take a shit. In the trough.
Dudes rock. Dudes rock.
Dudes rock. And everyone in the bathroom was like, dude, stop, stop, stop.
Don't do that. The game hasn't kicked off yet.
Wait until halftime for this, bro. Yeah.
But yeah, I do respect Iowa football. Do you have a touchdown celebration plan in case you score? Well, I got asked this yesterday because it's on Nickelodeon.
So I was like, there has to be some type of SpongeBob dance that you can do. Like they're bringing it around town or something like that.
SpongeBob is a football guy. Jim Harbaugh taught us that.
He's one of Jim Harbaugh's relentless enthusiasm. He just goes to work every day flipping patties.
And he loves it. He loves it.
He loves the grind. What do you think a Krabby Patty, like what burger do you think most closely a Krabby Patty would relate to? Probably, are they square? This is a problem.
They might be square. You've unfortunately hit a point where PFT and I are a little too old.
Max is laughing right now because we kind of miss SpongeBob. But you know what a Krabby Patty is.
It's's sure it's the burgers that he makes yeah the burgers that he makes yeah you have no idea we watched one spongebob episode super high yeah they're not there yet though we did yeah like intelligently like they're not can't watch that yet or no they just they they watch weird like fucking i'm watching these two russian kids named vlad and nicky play with their toys it's fucked up what's the chick on youtube that has like a billion followers ms rachel yeah ms rachel i've heard about her listen when you're when when a kid finds a new show you're just like oh my god like this is gonna be painful but yeah i i look forward to the day i get to spongebob but yeah pft and i we watched one spongebob episode like super super high and we're like, this was funny. But I don't.
Yeah, we missed it. I wish we were SpongeBob.
It is funny. Like, I appreciate the show.
I could probably go back and watch the entire catalog right now. The first like 10 years is phenomenal television.
That's a lot of years. That's how many years? What are they on now? It's been on for like 20 something.
20, 20. Yeah, it's like the first 10 years are absolutely outrageous fuck okay do a spongebob dance i like that yeah that's a good idea always dab again let me ask that is coming back it's it will never die as long as i'm here yeah i love the dab so the playoff games this year you guys have come back big time in both games were you guys aware of the kyle shanahan stat that they show on fox dude the amount of that's all i get asked okay our week so after every loss hey do you guys know that you lost again by me uh did you guys sell did you tell kyle after you're like hey dude you did it you got one you did it no i didn't say it to kyle i should i'll go say it to him right now after this he's got two now i think yeah hey.
Look at us. Yeah, look at us.
Who would have thought? What's tough about that stat, too, is like our first two years, we weren't very good. Yeah, you were like, wasn't there a year you guys were 2-14? No, that was 16.
That was before us. My rookie year, we started the year 0-9.
Yeah. And then Jimmy G came.
We won the last five. Pause.
We won the last five games. And then the next year, he got hurt, and we went four and 12.

Right.

It's just like, yeah.

That's just a tough stat.

We weren't a good team.

Right.

If you're down 21 in the fourth quarter, that unfortunately adds to the stat.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, we weren't going to come back from 21. We were down 14 points often.

That's true.

All right.

So that stat is bullshit.

It is.

It is bullshit.

When did you know that you were going to win, though? When did you think, okay, we got this game? The Lions game? Yeah. When they went for it on fourth down.
Oh, damn it. We defended Dan Campbell on that.
When that didn't hit and we go down and score a touchdown instantly and then we got the fumble, I was like, ah, that's out of the bag. I would.
It's the best way to determine whether or not a call is correct or not

isn't necessarily through numbers.

It's like what the opposing team and their fans want you to do

in that situation.

So did you want him to go four and a fourth down?

Yeah.

You didn't want a field goal, even though the kicker is not very good?

He looked great that night.

He had a trip shot.

All those trip shots, they were so slow and so soft.

They just kind of fell into it. We're going to cut this part of the podcast so you were hoping for him to go for a fourth down well like I think I'm not in the defensive meetings but like I think we planned for him to go for it every fourth down like fourth and four or less we're like they're probably going to go for it like why not would it have been equal momentum if he had attempted a field goal and missed I think it would have been been very, yeah, that would have been equal.
That would have been equal.

So there we go.

We're back.

We're back.

So either one.

And the fact that they did that the entire season, that's their M.O.

That is their identity.

So, okay, if you're a player on that staff, how could you be mad at who's doing that?

Right.

You should.

They went for the kill.

They did.

They went for the kill because you score a touchdown there and you go up,

would have been 21.

Right.

That's kind of a tough one to come back from.

That was always our point with how Dan Campbell coached this year

is like for us sitting on the couch, we're like,

what the fuck is he doing?

But everyone on that sideline knows before the game,

like these are the situations we're attacking.

What's that high school coach that they never punted?

Yeah, that guy rocked.

Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, for sure.
But just like when you have that mindset of hey we get to within fourth and three we're going for it no matter what like you just have like a confidence about it and it's just like your whole team has that confidence so it's like yeah why would we not go for we've done it the entire season and i'm assuming their percentage on it's pretty good yeah it was 17 for 20 on fourth and three or less pretty damn yeah why would you not right again, even if you bleed off another three minutes on the clock, even if you kick a field goal three plays later, you're still running time off the clock. Yeah.
Now, hey, I'm happy that they went for it and missed. Awesome.
So, all right, the other game, the Packers game, I said you dropped a ball. I did.
But I said that you are probably the number one guy who drops a ball, and you're like, all right, Kittle's going to do something awesome coming up. When you drop a ball, are you like, next play, throw it to me right now.
I'm ready to go. Yeah, please give me the ball back.
I'm sorry that I had a lapse of football brain. Yeah, because it does feel like you bounce back faster than anyone.
Yeah, man. You've got to flip the switch.
What I've learned in football is you can't let things snowball, good or bad like you can have a great play but if like you go into the next like oh dude i'm so cool and stuff who know like you can like get your legs taken out from underneath you shit like that so like i just try to reset after every single play and but like when you have a mess up and also like i feel like i hold myself to a high standard of play it's like when you do something like that you're like all right let's not do that again yeah let's just go out there and do something all right so i was right do you just wipe it do you just like act like the play didn't happen or do you use it as motivation like next play i got this because i feel like those are two very different i'm more of a like it's flushed for me like i didn't think about it again until people tweeted at me and they're like i hate you and i was like yeah i'm sorry i caught a ball two plays later i'm sorry yeah right the rain was bad though dude that was crazy yeah it is crazy it's like then you switch to the leather gloves which are awesome like when it's really wet those things are like glue it's super cool but like the second it stops raining the ball's dry very slippery yeah and so like you can see like in the like i literally just turn my head head because if you're wearing the normal sticky gloves,

you don't have to.

You can catch it.

It's pretty easy.

Those things, ball hit, just slipped right through them.

And I looked at it.

I was like, gosh, damn.

Well, are you ready for the turf in Vegas?

Because I don't want another turf incident.

Well, two years in a row,

we've got the sod father pulling his tricks.

Last year in the Super Bowl.

This year, they got you on UNLV's field,

which I guess you guys are practicing on pillows. I don't know how soft that is.
Is that overblown or is that a real thing to me it's overblown okay like oh excuse me that was a good coffee burp yeah to me it's overblown like i've played on bad fields i've played on bad fields in the nfl i've practiced on bad fields like we were in colorado springs last year in our practice field that was frozen and there are divots everywhere and we still practice like now granted wasn't like a full speed thing but like we got through it it's field is not that okay they're trying really hard on it they're out there they're drying it was a little soft because of the water like yeah poured rain three days in a row it's a new grass yeah but by the time we get there tomorrow I'm not really concerned with with it. Yeah.
Yeah. But you got to be ready.

You got to bring some extra cleats for.

Like, they wheel this grass in.

I don't fucking know.

We've talked, like, hey, have your seven studs ready.

Okay.

That type of stuff.

You know what's crazy, though?

Like, 2019, we played in Washington in that monsoon, the mud bowl thing.

I didn't wear seven studs in that.

Like, I've never worn seven studs.

I always just wear my cleats.

I don't slip very often, though. Yeah.
What about last year when that game was crazy, too? I didn't play in studs in that. Really? Like, I've never worn seven studs.
I always just wear my cleats. I don't slip very often, though.
Yeah. What about last year when the Bears, that game was crazy, too? I didn't play in that one.
Okay. Yeah, no.
Yeah. The mayor of Chicago asked me to not play in that game.
That's right. So you guys could get a win.
Yes, we did. And then, do I remember that guy? Then he tweeted, you guys all predicted that the Bears, how many games did you win, too? Yeah, no, it was.
How many games was it, too? Yeah, he was, the Bears were two and one.. He's like, ha, so much for these media pundits being like, the Bears are going to suck this year.
And they're going to go 2-14. Yeah, 3-14, and then we went 3-14.
We're 2-1 to 3-14. It was great.
I think that was the best. I think it was Greg Gabriel.
Yeah, it was so good. So good.
Such a great tweet. Such an idiot.
You did play in D.C. this year, though, so that's a bad field.
That was it was good this year that was fine i didn't like i didn't notice it like like some grass fields in december like they're a little slick and like there's some sand and stuff but like i'd rather play on that like cincinnati's turf fields brutal new orleans turf field brutal like i don't know how those guys play on it every because like how sore you are after doing stuff on turf like your ankles your this your joints it's just like oh my god like, I have to sleep in a nice tub. And when you play on grass, I never feel like that.
There's other bumps and bruises, but it just adds to it. We're a grass podcast.
For sure. We're for the players.
Thank you. Player safety.
How did we convince the World Cup? Oh, they're changing it. Yeah, still.
They're changing it for the soccer players? Yes. Oh, for the soccer players, they're changing it.
They're bringing grass on all stadiums that are turf, and they're also not using the names of the stadiums. They're just being like, it's Dallas Stadium.
It's New York Stadium. San Francisco Stadium.
Yeah. Is it San Francisco Stadium or Santa Clara Stadium? Santa Clara.
Santa Clara Stadium, probably. Ooh.
Yeah. I think so, yeah.
Interesting. All right, so your quarterback gets a lot of, let's say, media fodder.
Ooh. That's a good word.
Brock Purdy, for some reason, it's every single game. It's like if he has not a great game, he stinks.
If he has a great game, he's elite. Does he tune out all of that? And I would assume that you guys have full trust in him.
It's kind of funny to you to see all this discussion. Tune out, yes.
I don't think he's not very active on social media at all which like good for him yeah as you shouldn't be like when you're the quarterback of the san francisco 49ers and you're following joe montana and steve young the expectations are pretty high for you when like you lace it up you know quarterback so i think he does a good job he doesn't really do any social media stuff like i think he has like two posts this whole year which is like hey good for you man like he's just focused on winning um and yeah i think the everybody has confidence in him everyone has trust in him like you just see the plays he makes you like oh wow he had four interceptions for his baltimore after the third i was like hey please keep throwing it don't get scared like don't don't sit back there and like i don't know if i should just throw it it happens man like we're gonna get through this with her like we're we're not gonna get through this without you like we need you so like you're the guy that we're really good because of you yeah it breaks my heart that he's not active on social media and you probably haven't seen this yet but uh this just came out today a comparison of brock purdy to another guy in american history um let me show you because it's actually fascinating so um fdr here we go right here this is from josh javis been trying to figure out who brock pretty looks like for the last two years and it's lee harvey oswald and look at that there's brock and then there's lee yeah pretty wild huh kind of look like gunslingers that middle photo looks yeah i'll give you that one yeah that's you can see it right yeah maybe show that to brock Will you send that to me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll 100% throw it to it to him.
Let me show that to Brock. Dude, what were you doing? Are you back from the dead? All right, so given the fact that you guys are in the Super Bowl this year.
Yeah, we are. That's cool.
Last year, obviously, Brock got hurt in the NFC Championship game. I think the fact that you're in the Super Bowl just proves that you guys were way better than the Eagles.
I said it. 50, do you agree? I think you would have won that game easily.
Easily. I was a huge fan of our game plan.
Yeah, I was a huge fan of everything. Yeah, a lot of Eagles fans, none in this room, Max, are rooting hard against you because they're trying to keep the sanctity of their NFC championship alive.
No, don't do that. no that's what max it's a totally different year man and like look he doesn't he thinks it's the same look so this is my thing too like if you're an eagles fan you should 100% believe that you you know you would have won that game regardless you guys had eagles were fantastic last year like they played at a high level beat the crap out of everybody and you can see like on the tape like yeah they kind of ran through our defense last year you can say that but like you also you look at brock perry be like you can't lie and not say like that would have been at least a close game yeah for sure like 31 to 7 was that a realistic score no no not at all no hey now if brock would have played the whole game we would have lost like 21 17 sure like it is what it is but like i believe that we would have won with brock because i think he's such a good player yeah i think you would have too or at least it would have been a close game because everyone's like oh we beat you by 24 i'm like dude come on i didn't have a quarterback for two quarters yeah and actually what i'm gonna say no yeah i i'm not disagreeing with that that it would have been a close game at least obviously not having a quarterback is going to take points off of the board for a really team yeah that's when you put 11, when Chris McCaffrey is playing quarterback and you have 11 guys on the box.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was pretty one. That was pretty good for us.
That was pretty good for the Eagles. If I was a Niners fan in that situation, I would have had a huge, I'd be like, ha, you guys stink.
Yeah. Well that's, I've just gotten a lot of Niners.
Niners fans are, are strong online. Oh yeah.
They, they were, there's a lot of them. Yeah.
There are a lot of them. But over any fan base, even Cowboys fans, I get more shit from Niners fans about the Eagles than the Cowboys do.
Yeah. The faithful don't forget, man.
So that's why I've been battling Niners fans all year. And it wasn't great when you beat the shit out of us this year.
I know. So you're saying this right now, but also if the Niners lose in the Super Bowl, you're going to take a victory, Lattles.
For sure. Well, it depends how they lose.
Because we also lost to the Chiefs last year. True.
But you won this year. So we get to win this year, right? Can I show you something funny? Yeah.
Please. So this was like three weeks after we beat the Eagles.
My buddy for the Predators, Phil Forsberg, they were going to play Philadelphia Flyers. And he sends me this photo.
They're on the bus to the game, and this was outside of a coffee shop. Debo wasn't lying.
It's a sign outside of a Philadelphia coffee shop that said Debo wasn't lying. Yeah, well, that was big discourse.
And then... Because everyone was ready to be like, shut the fuck up, fuck up Debo we're better anyway and then we got yeah and that started the demise of Philly fans he also had three touchdowns yeah yeah yeah he went off when the best player on the field when the big dom got kicked out where you're like oh we got this game that that whole sequence of events I was like there's no way that we're about to like just give this game up because first off dre greenlaw are one of our best players on defense gone and then we had two 15-year penalties on that drive i'm like we're about to give up a touchdown and they're gonna have all the momentum in the world but then fortunately we were able to you know go back and answer on offense that kind of like settled it yeah and put big dom losing dre greenlaws okay like you can figure out a game plan.
Yeah, we'll figure it out.

Losing Big Dom, that ended the season.

Yeah, it ruined the season.

Yeah, he wasn't on the sideline for any game, right?

No, he was allowed to coach during the week.

I think he was not a coach, too.

He's not a coach.

He was allowed to coach during the week.

You know, I've heard nothing but a fantastic thing about Big Dom.

Yeah, no, he's a legend.

We're a Big Dom podcast.

I would love to meet him.

I would love to meet him, too. He's a legend.
You guys have anybody on the team that's an unsung hero, like Big Tom? I got a couple. Well, Mike A., he's our head of security.
He's a cool dude. He was a motorcycle cop in Oakland for a long time, which was pretty sick.
That's sick, yeah. He's the head of security for Tide & U.
Okay. He comes down for Tide & U every single year, which is sick.
Love love that and then uh we have a guy in the kitchen his name's louise and he just walks up he goes super kitto have a great day today but he says that to everybody oh it's like super pretty this is fantastic oh that's a vibes guy oh yes is he here he's like yeah he's here okay he's like five five it's incredible that's awesome. Super Luis.
That's what I would say to him. It's fantastic.
Did you see David Carr say that you're better looking than Travis Kelsey? It was weird. I'm married.
Yeah. Thanks.
Yeah. Well, he was like, yeah, Taylor Swift.
If she saw Greg, she'd be like, maybe I picked the wrong tight end. That's a weird thing to say.
Like, you're varied.

Yeah.

Super weird thing to say, but thanks.

Yeah, I think it's a thanks.

I think it's a thanks.

It's a compliment.

Just like from, I don't know, as weird.

Yeah.

I think you're hotter than Travis Kelsey.

Thank you, man.

I think I like your style of football better than I like Travis Kelsey's style of football.

Hey, look, we both play the same position.

We just play it differently and at an elite level.

Have you guys talked at all this week?

Yeah, I saw him last night for a little bit. Okay.
That's about it. Yeah, because he was at TEU.
He was. Is he coming back? Yeah.
No matter what happens on Sunday? I would hope so because I lost and then I went to tight end you. Oh, that's true.
So I would assume that he would do the same thing. Well, you did create tight end you with Greg, so you kind of would have to.
They literally play it in your backyard. They do play in my backyard.
backyard but like you said the founding fathers would be me Travis and Greg okay alright so he'll be there oh yeah I would assume he's gonna be there okay alright unless he's a crazy busy guy though I can't imagine can't imagine a lot of commercials we're gonna we're gonna we're not gonna talk about a lot of commercials other things we want to talk about um you can ask me anything I just don't know no no no i don't want to get you i the the goal is to when you agree to come on super bowl week the goal is to get out of this interview clean and we could go with no like huge headlines yeah we go down a bad path got like five things that i know we're gonna hold it all just sam that i might just i just won't respond who do you think is gonna be in taylor's box on sunday in the suite no he said box the suite? No, he said box. The suite? I said what I said.
He said box. He said box.
I'll pass. Good pass.
This might be a regional dialect. Some people say box.
Some people say sweet. Some people say sweet box.
I have a hype video. I really...
He's going to be in Taylor's sweet box. I'm going to pass on that one.
I have a really awesome hype video I want to show you, but I don't want to show it to you on air because I don't want them to then turn it against us.

Okay, cool.

We'll cut.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll show it to you after.

It's a good video.

Yeah, it's a good video.

I can't wait.

It really makes you think about a lot of stuff.

Yeah.

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Last. Your coach, who we're big fans of, Kyle Shanahan.
Yes, sir. Probably two or three times a year, he wears the Legends hoodie with, pardon my take on it.
Yeah. Does he know what we are? Yeah.
Okay. Every time I see it, I i'm like i think he's wearing it because it's a comfortable hoodie that is the main that is the main reason no but he's also aware of who we are kyle's we've had him on kyle's a creature of habit we're like what whatever he walks into his office and then whatever is the closest thing to him or like whatever we've won in oh i'm gonna wear that again okay he's like a normal football guy he's superstitious about weird things but like yeah so we need to get him more of them if you get him more if you get him more stuff yeah he would only wear it i'm pretty sure he's got a pretty good track record because he wore it in the playoffs last year i remember that yeah that was not the eagles week i think that was his week it was and you guys won that game uh it might might not be the worst thing if you put it on for the post game press conference yeah after a win Super Bowl throw it out there if you brought it I'll ask him does he does he like bring you in for the meetings he's like okay here's the game plan this week Christian's getting three touchdowns yes what is it is it like a disappointment if Christian McCaffrey scores one touchdown yeah I mean I think the the surest bet in all of sports is a Christian McCaffrey.
He just scores every time, no matter what. Well, it's like you're, I think like running backs, you should score touchdowns, especially when you get down to the red zone.
Like we're going to, especially in our offense, you can see that in the seven years that I've been here is when you get to the red zone, we're going to run the ball and try to run the ball. And then you throw Christian into it.
And it's like, okay, well, we're going to design a play for Debo to score. You could be the second read George., you're going to be here.
And then fourth read, one-on-one versus their milk check is going to be Christian McCaffrey. And, oh, that's an easy – just lob it in there.
So it's kind of like we're all just running distraction routes for Christian, which I'm totally fine with because, hey, if you do win, hey, I'll hit you. But if you don't win, Christian's the easiest check down in the world because he's going to break one tackle.
Maybe Kyle Yushek scores. By the way, does Kyle Yushek hate us? Why? For Quiggs.
Yeah, who's Quiggs? Yeah, so for people who don't know, Quiggs is a great editor. What are we doing? Quiggs is a very, very important part of Barstool.
Quiggs likes to troll online. Quiggs tweeted, I'm commenting on all of name's kristen kristen kristen ushek's instagram posts with her jackets just saying tacky kristen kristen found that tweet and replied and was like that's not very nice almost instantly i assume the chain of command went kristen to kyle i saw it on twitter kyle no oh you saw it i saw the response ge George texted me a screenshot.
He said, who the fuck is this guy? I'm going to beat his ass. And I was like, I never thought I'd be in a spot where I have to defend Quigs.
I know. But yeah, Quigs is not.
He's a very good guy. He just likes to have fun online.
But it was very fun. I sent it to Quigs.
And he was like, oh, fuck. So is Kyle mad at us? Was he aware of it? I haven't talked to him about it.
But I did. Clear it up.
We love him. I sent your response back to Kristen.
And she said, thanks for having my back. We got this.
And I was like, yeah. Yeah, because I sent your response to Quigs.
And he said, oh, fuck, I'm fucked. And I was like, no, I got your back.
Quigs, when I see you, I can't wait. He's see you I can't wait I would be a little bit afraid of quakes not for what he can do to you physically but what he can do online yeah I'm gonna somehow find a way to get the Swifties to hate him oh okay and then it doesn't matter yeah yes that's very true could they could they topple a government yeah easily survived easily they're about to did you at the election I.
Did you? At the election. I got it bad.
You did get it bad. I got it so bad.
I got it from all fronts, dude. I'm honestly just impressed.
It's incredible. It was a tough week.
The worst part, actually, was that my wife's a swifty, and I kept on trying to explain to her that it was a funny joke all week, and she's like, you keep saying it, and it's not funny. It's not funny.
She's like, you keep telling me I don i don't understand it she's like but it's not funny it's not funny i was like i don't know i have nowhere to go with this stop you apologize you just stopped no i never apologized good we just we just went harder yeah we went way harder way harder and then to the point where it's like okay these guys they took it so hard that now it's now it's cool again yeah and i have the karma because my kids love listening to Taylor Swift, so I have to listen to it every day in the car. So it's karma on me.
What's your favorite Taylor Swift song? Love Story. Yeah.
Isn't Love Story fantastic? Love Story's great. All Too Well.
Ba-Wa-Ka-Ba. Extended version.
Yeah. She's good.
She's good. I have to admit, she's a great artist.
All right. So we were talking about this, and this has nothing to do with the game, but when did Taylor Swift, her popularity go to like the most dating a podcaster.
I think that's clearly a full sign. Like, was it going to get super famous data podcast? I thought it was after the Red album.
Yeah, no, she's been. She's been the most famous person in the world for a very long.
Kanye made her famous kind of. Yeah.
Oh, shit. No, I didn't mean to say.
Yeah, I did not mean to say. Yeah, I not mean to say yeah.
We're going to clip that. I'm not a part of that.
Yeah, I did not mean to say yeah. Shout out Kanye West.
At all. I'm not a part of that at all.
Great artist, even better human being. We actually are Taylor Swift fans.
You're unreal. We're Taylor Swift fans.
We're Swifties. 100%.
Like she is an incredible artist. Have you ever been to a concert? No.
Phenomenal. I know.
I've been to two. Really? Yeah.
She goes to Levi's Stadium whenever she's on tour. It's fantastic.
We'll have to go. Let me ask you this about Kyle though.
Shanahan or Juice? Juice. Cool.
Love Juice. Love Fullbacks.
Are you guys working anything interesting like Red Zone looks for Juice? He scored in the last one. He did.
Yeah, he did. did.
He scored the last year. We had Boomer on the podcast.
You want to know another fun statistic is any game that me and Kyle have both scored and we've won. Oh, you want to know another fun statistic? Jersey Jerry has put Kyle Yushek touchdown in every parlay he's ever done and never won.
He's always like, I got seven out of my eight. I just need you, Shaq.
Did Boomer say first touchdown? No, first touchdown was... First touchdown was...
Iyuk? I think it was Juice. No, it was someone else.
Fuck. I think it was MVS.
It was MVS. I'm going to bet on Juice again.
We like Juice. We're fans of all the 49ers.
We like you guys, too. Yeah.
Anyone else you want to talk to? I can go grab them. Trent.
Williams? Yeah. Yeah.
Brock Purdy? I dare you. He might be unavailable right now.
Oh, yeah? Yeah. Well, we'll walk out with you, and maybe you can just say hi to some guys.
Does he respect your blocking game? Yeah. Because I would imagine getting a compliment from Trent Williams.
It's pretty cool. In the blocking game is like as good as it gets.
Yeah. I lined up next to a first bout Hall of Famer and he's still playing at a first bout Hall of Fame level too.
So it's like one of the coolest things ever. Is that contagious? Is the physicality contagious? Like you see him lay somebody out and you're like, fuck, I want to do that.
I had that before I played with him,

but when you line up next to him,

it's just like I have zero doubt in my head

that we're going to block the heck out of the guy

that we're going against.

When we have a play like,

hey, you're going to double team that guy up to the linebacker.

I'm just like, good luck, man.

You can get away with anything if Trent's on your side.

Time to learn grass, buddy.

That dude will show up.

It's crazy, too.

He's like, hey, don't touch him. Just go.
I'm like, all right. Sounds good.
I'll let you do you, man. No one else can do that.
It's pretty sick. There was one pregame thing where Trent came in.
There was like a scuffle going on, and then he shows up, and then immediately both sides just clear out. That was the Browns game.
The Browns game, yeah. It looked like it was going to come to blows, and then everyone's like, oh, Trent Williams is here.
I'm going to head out. SpongeBob.
That's a SpongeBob meme. Yes.
Thank you so much. Yeah, we know it.
Best of luck in the Super Bowl. We're rooting for you.
Know we always pull for you. You can't tell the history of part of my take without George Kittle.
That's a fact. That's crazy.
That's a fact. From the tight end who we were like, fuck, we'll take a picture with him.
Is there going to be a Greg of the year anytime? There could be. We could do one, yeah.
I'm so confused that honestly, like, I don't know what your name is. And he corrects people saying, I'm Greg.
Yeah, I do. He did that to someone the other day on Twitter.
Ari. Yeah.
Well, he said, Jorg Kittle, everybody. Yeah.
I was like, hey, Jorg, I'm Greg. Yeah.
And I was like, wait, fuck. I screwed up in my head all the time.
But yeah, good luck in the Super Bowl. We're rooting for you.
And we love you. Oh, dude, I love you guys.
Love you too. I love that.
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And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
It is one of the best defensive players in the NFL. Max Crosby from the Las Vegas Raiders.
We're in your city right now. Max here with Invisalign.
So you've been doing stuff. Where were you before this? You doing radio row um no i just came from lowe's uh with the guys you know we did a little uh little love for lowe's you know we're there for an hour did some uh signings kissing babies nice nice yeah and so invisalign can can you did you get invisalign yeah i got uh got the invisalign in right now i love it just started a few days ago so yeah i didn't grow up you know getting braces or anything so fix them it's about time yeah i can't even tell you right now.
Oh, love it. Just started a few days ago.
So, yeah, I didn't grow up, you know, getting braces or anything. Fix them.
It's about time. Yeah.
I can't even tell you're wearing them. Yeah.
I appreciate that. Smooth.
It is. Invisalign does suck for everyone who, like, had to suffer through braces because now everyone's caught up in, like, Invisalign so much easier.
Yeah, way easier. You didn't have to do that.
Yeah, smooth. You just eat.
You take them out when you eat and you're good. Yeah, I had braces for, I when i was a kid it it sucks that invisalign wasn't around it really does it would have changed my entire childhood yeah i was gonna say five years is a long time yeah well they didn't do anything for the last three years i kept going in they were like okay oh let's just change the bands on here all right see ya need to check from your parents by the way on the way out no invisalign yeah uh what what injuries are you working with right now because you got the sleeve on your left leg and then you have a cast on your right leg what's going on i got so i got my bursa removed out of my knee okay a couple weeks ago so i was dealing with that for a majority of the season so thank god i got that out it was a pain in the ass but um yeah i got that done it'll be like two to three months and then the hand i uh tore my uclL 10 into my thumb.
So I had to get that. When did you do that? I did that versus the Jets like week 10, I think.
So you just were like, fuck it, I'm playing the rest of the season? Yeah, I mean, it happens. Like you just, you know, little bangs up and little bruises and shit like that.
So, you know, they made it work. I appreciate you saying like it happens because if I had either of those injuries, I'd probably just be in a ball crying and being like, I'm not podcasting today.
Yeah. So it happens.
Yeah. It just happens.
It's normal. Yeah.
Played through a UCL for, for seven weeks. Yeah.
Something like that. That affect anything? Not necessarily.
I mean, they got like guards that they put on, put on your thumbs and tape it. So it kind of just keeps it locked in.
So I started doing it with both of them. So I mean, it didn't bother me that much.
It's annoying, but most of it was. I got a stupid question to start off, you know, start real well with this interview.
So your name, Max with two X's. I looked it up.
That is your God-given name? Yes. That's the most badass thing ever.
I appreciate that, yeah. Like, did your parents know? They're like, we're going to create a badass and we're gonna name them max with double x's yeah i thought that was an addition i thought like you know you add the double x when it's like oh i'm a beast like i'm gonna be an awesome pro it's like a helmet sticker yeah right every all pro you add another x to your name it's like you either become like a a pro bowl defensive lineman or a porn star with the extra x yeah no yeah i really had the extra X.
Yeah, I really had no other options in life, so I had to really step up to the plate. When you were growing up, were you like, this is awesome, I have two Xs? No, I always loved it.
I thought it was dope. But the story was just I was a huge baby.
I was almost 12 pounds at birth, and my mom put an extra X on it, and that was it. Wait, so she literally did like XXL? Yeah, basically.
That's awesome. Yeah.
12 pounds huge. They 12 pounds they had to break my collarbone i was stuck like yeah i was all messed up from the so you were you were going to be just max with one x i believe so and then you came out and they're like this this baby needs another we caught a big one we got a big one so there's my mom added another could you do it like what if they were all capitalized to like uppercase letters in your first name.
What if you were that big? Yeah. That would rock too.
Yeah. I mean, I would go with it.
I'd be unique. That's an awesome story.
And you have a million awesome stories. We were saying before, because legend, Mac legend, Brogan Roback is here.
Yeah. We're big Mac fans.
Yeah. Eastern Michigan.
You only got offered to Eastern Michigan? Yeah. Yeah.
My only offer. No one else was like, hey, you can come walk on or anything? No, it was pretty quick.
Like, I was a linebacker my whole life. I was a linebacker, fullback, slash running back, all childhood, all middle school, all high school.
And my last year, going into my senior year, I grew like four inches. So I was like 6'5", and I was goofy.
I was growing into my body into my body I was in pain I wasn't twitchy at all and I was you know just trying to figure it out and we got new coaches that came in from Austin Westlake like they had like Drew Brees like it's a legendary school so I was like I'm trying to play tight end so they come in they're like listen you're gonna play DN and tight end you're not playing lineback listen to us and we're going to get you an offer. So that's literally what it was.
I had no film at DN until my last year. So Eastern had a camp like the summer before my last year in high school.
And I went there, did both positions, and then they offered me. So I had no film or anything.
And they just took a chance and that was it. I committed like two weeks later.
That's incredible. Yeah.
And we love Maction. Are there times when you're playing the NFL and you're like, this is cake because I've been at Kalamazoo in the middle of November on a Wednesday night in front of 100 people? Yeah.
I mean, we've had some classic ones. We were at Ball State in Muncie, Indiana on like a Tuesday night, one of the greatest games in football history.
It was like literally election night. It was like 48 to 45.
We won in like, what, double overtime or something? There was maybe 50 people. It was a monsoon.
It was freezing. And, yeah, he was going crazy.
Yeah, in the rain, everything. It was wild.
So, yeah. Yeah, that's great.
It's the best football on earth. Yeah, it is.
No doubt. When you think of Mac action, you usually don't think of like 48 to 45 games.
Yeah. You're a fucking shootout in that kind of weather.
That's a special game because it's like, yeah, if there are only 200 people in the stands, you experience that more with your team than you do with like the environment of the stadium, which is cool. Yeah, I guess.
I mean, it was different. You know, honestly, it's crazy because I grew up playing high school football in Texas.
So like our games were 15,000 jam packed full tailgates. Like it was crazy.
And then I go to Eastern and at that time, you know, my first year were one in 11. They were like talking about shutting the whole program down.
Like we had no fans in the crowd. So like I went to Eastern and I had less fans when i first got there yeah it was crazy so i was a little thrown off so you know we changed it we ended up going a bunch of bowl games and things and you know now they're still going to bowl games but it took a lot of time like when i first got there it was like a ghost town it was bad and it was the grit factor you guys did the the concrete uh entrance when that happened when your coach was like this is what we're gonna do the locker room like? Were they like, are you sure we're going to do this? You know, it's funny because I committed.
And my senior year, I watched every Eastern game. And it was like the first game of the season.
And that was when Creighton first got hired. So I turned on the TV in the morning, and it was not top 10.
And it was them as number one. And they were on the team at the time.
I wasn't there yet. And it took literally like two minutes to get the wall down.
And, uh, it was hilarious. So I have my, my boys are clowning me because of Eastern trying to knock the wall down.
And I'm like, all right, we're off to a great start. So yeah.
Yeah. Brogan here talking like, is that Mike on? Cause is that Mike on Brogan? Tell us what your coach said after that too when you were on Not Top 10.
Yeah, I mean, he pretty much brought us in the next morning after the game because I think we got butchered, which is even worse. And then, so we're in there and before we go watch film, he pretty much is like, I know we've seen the Not Top 10 and we're all looking around like, it's the elephant in the room.
And we're all like, coach, we got stop that and he's like no you guys are you're not seeing it you're not seeing what i'm seeing that's why we're going to continue doing it because no one can tell us what we're going to do it just goes on this rant and they're still knocking down that fucking wall i love it he did he did the was it the jfk speech we choose to go to the moon not because it's easy but because it's hard yeah Yeah. He did that about busting down a cinder block wall.
Were you a little bit tired after breaking down that wall? I did it, I think, once or twice. Like, it was, you know, there was like three main people, like offense, defense, and special teams.
Like the players of the week, you would get the hammer and you would have to be the one to knock it down. And I think, I believe that might be wrong, but didn't they get like lighter cinder blocks after that? Yeah, so they ended up getting lighter cinder blocks so you could actually knock the thing down.
So yeah, you hit it like two times and then just kick the thing through and then you're good. So yeah, it was, you know, a learned skill, but we figured it out.
And you're playing on a gray field. Gray field, the factory.
Which is awesome. It was legendary.
Yeah. Yeah, we loved it.
You said you weren't twitchy at the time when did you was there a moment where you're like now i'm twitchy what was your first twitch so my first twitch i would say is when i lost a bunch of weight before i went to college like when i was growing i grew like i said four inches like my body ached i was like just eating more and i was just kind of gumpy and big and my body was hurting so once I you know before I went to eastern I lost a bunch of weight because I didn't want to feel like that felt horrible I felt slow and everything like that so I lost a bunch of weight I got skinny as hell but I felt athletic and I was jumping and moving better so then once I got to eastern I was able to like put on some better weight and then it you know yeah yeah – it was a process. And it's an awesome story because you – like I said, only offer is Eastern.
Then you get drafted by the Raiders in what, the fourth round? And you're like the third string right away. So are you thinking like I'm not going to make this team? You're like you have the confidence.
Like I'm going to be one of the best defensive players in the NFL. No doubt.
You know, I've always had a ton of confidence. That's never been an issue for me.
It was just about all the other little things. And so for me, it was like, I came in as a, whatever, I was third string when I got into camp.
But for me, I just wanted a chance. I was like, I know if I can get in, you know, drafted on any team, like, I'm gonna have a chance.
Like, me in the locker room. It doesn't matter.
Put me on the field. I'm gonna be good.
So, um, and once I just started cleaning up everything off the field and cleaning up eating habits and just putting it all together, um, you know, that's why I'm here today. Cause I do it every single day.
Um, you know, no details left behind. So yeah, I never had a confident, you know, never had any lack of confidence when it comes to playing football, but once I put it all together, then that's why I'm here.
One of your biggest fans is one of our favorite people in the world, Brian Baldinger. Yes.
Baldy. The best, man.
He called you the Condor. Yeah.
He came up with that name for you, right? 100%. Yeah.
When you heard it, were you like, that's a fucking sick nickname? Oh, I loved it. I loved it.
It was honestly crazy. Like, my first three games in the nfl they were probably the hardest football games ever like i'm used to playing every single snap like in college i would play never come off the field i'm a rhythm guy like i need to get into a rhythm and get my you know whatever so i come in they're like yeah you're gonna be a rotational guy you're gonna play some first and second down and you're not even on third downs I'm like what the fuck I'm playing like 15 20 snaps and those first three games NFL I was so bad like mentally I was at my lowest like when it comes to confidence I had coach Buckner who's just hard as hell I mean he was just not he did like I thought I thought I was the worst player in the world he would come to the meetings and just crush me and Klee the other rookie Klee Farrell from Clems's just getting crushed.
And I'm like, I don't know if I could play in the league. And I've never felt lack of confidence on a football field before.
So we go into Indy that week. It was the fourth game of the year, my rookie season.
And Benson Mayo was the starting edge. He goes down right before the game.
And Buck comes in there literally 30 minutes before kickoff.

He's like, Max, you're up on third downs.

You're going.

And that was it.

So I went into the game, played like 50 snaps, had my breakout game,

and I've started ever since.

That's incredible.

And that's when Baldy made the video.

He made the Condor video versus the Colts, and that was how it all started.

I love how fired up he gets about football.

Oh, he loves that.

He's the best.

Oh, he's the best.

Now you never come off the field.

There was some stat that was insane that was like you played like 98 of the snaps yeah like how are you able to do that versus everyone else like you see guys even the best guys have to come off every now and then you just have a motor that just never stops yeah i mean it really comes down to just mentality and preparation like i train all year round like i. Like, I'm injured right now.
These guys are staying at my house. We have stuff to do all day, and it doesn't matter.
Like, from 7-Eleven this morning, I got my strength coach coming over, got my rehab guy. I'm rehabbing, doing everything every single day.
Like, I don't take time off. I meal prep 365.
It doesn't stop. So, for me, like, being able to play that many snaps but do it at a high level,

I want to be able to change the game and make other guys like kind of look

in the mirror and be like, damn, why can't I play that many snaps?

Not like I'm 240 pounds, like I'm 260 pounds and playing just as much as

DBs are playing, which is, you know, not common at all.

Yeah, that kind of makes you a tryhard.

Yeah, I guess.

I mean, just a little bit.

Like you're making everyone else have to play more.

Yeah, I want to be that guy.

Just chill out, Max.

Because you know there's other teams that are like, why can't you be like,

Max, why are you coming off the field?

All right. I mean, just a little bit.
I'm okay with that. You're making everyone else have to play more.
Yeah, I want to be that guy. Just chill out, Max.
Because you know there's other teams that are like, why can't you be like, Max, why are you coming off the field? 100%. That's my main goal.
It pisses everyone off. I love that that's your goal, though, is to set such a high standard for work ethic.
Everybody out there is like, oh, shit, I need to be playing more football. Yeah, I had no idea I could do this.
I did hear one interview with you where you said, sometimes people call you a try hard yeah is that do you take that as an insult or like it seems like i would like my i would like players on my favorite football team to try hard a very percent i don't like when you're a kid like usually that's like a diss like yeah try hard you don't want to be that kid but i mean we're all in the nfl and uh i mean i feel like i take it as a compliment so guilty as charged max rosbyhard. We're going to do a graphic.
Try it. I'll get a shirt with it and everything.
I'm perfectly okay with that. So the other part of your story, which is crazy, because you talked about the beginning of your career.
And you are, is it four years sober now or close to it? About to be four years in March. About to be four years sober, which is an awesome, awesome story.
Very inspirational to everyone. But you spent the first two years, three years of your career your career not sober and you still were incredible do you like you must feel like a superhuman now having that many years sober and being able to do these things and being like how the hell was i how was my former self able to do that honestly i don't know um it's it's crazy to think about but honestly it's nuts like i remember in miami I was with y'all my rookie year, and I did that.
I was hungover, and I felt like shit, and I think I drank a beer with y'all on the show. I don't even know how I was able to operate like that back then.
But yeah, honestly, it's funny. My sponsor, right when I got sober, he was like, listen, this is your superpower.
He's like, nobody's doing what you're doing. doing you have to realize that so I kind of take that into effect with not only you know being sober but my football shit my training I'm not wasting any energy at the club or trying to recover from the night before like I'm always on it if I'm traveling to LA or traveling to do something for work or business whatever I call my nutritionist he calls the hotels I have meals waiting for me I like it's all the time so um i'm putting my energy into good shit and it's it's got me exactly right well congrats on four years sober it's it's incredible i appreciate it yeah i would imagine the the sleep factor is huge too oh when you when you rest your body's actually recovering 100 it doesn't stop like i got the whole recovery thing in my house now i cold tub seven days seven days a week all year round i'm round.
I'm too much of a pussy cold tub. I'm going to start cold tubbing.
You have to. It's a game changer.
Every morning, bro, it'll change your life. How long do you go for? I do two sets of 10 minutes every single day.
Try hard. Try hard.
I know 100%. Even the guys in the facility are like, bro, why do you do your own? I'm like, I'm doing it because you're not.
You do a cold tub to recover from your cold tub? 100%. I do it before practice, after practice.
I feel like you are a tryhard. I feel like we get, we got you at Barstool for like a week.
We would probably bully it out of you. And you'd just be like, yeah, I'll take another pizza.
Let's watch the game. No.
Yeah, I think we could. You'd slowly start changing.
You'd be like, all right, I'm going to get in here. I'm going to get in the building a little bit early.
You think you would change us before we could change you? 100%. I would bother you every day.
We're very sedentary. Day one, you walk in, me and Big Cat's sitting on the couch.
We got TV on. We got Raising Cane's chicken tenders.
We got four Diet Cokes in front of us. And my shirt is up over my stomach because I've gotten fat.
It's just supporting my T-shirt. What do you say to us to get us to straighten our shit shit out well it's crazy because the thing is you guys would come in i would already be in the building the lights would just be turned on there'd be a nice spread of different type of proteins greens everything and we'll be dialed in i think there'd be a revolution yeah i would slowly all it takes is one it starts with you and then all of a sudden he starts feeling like shit because he's left out, and then, okay, I'm going to start eating.
Then you've got abs now, and then you get a couple more girls here and there, and now you'd just be a part of the crew. Now we're fucking.
Now we're fucking. Everything's good.
Everything's on point. I mean, it would be a very funny test because I feel like it would be the unstoppable force versus the immovable object.
Like, Max, come on. We're going to bet some college basketball games and sit on the couch.
Why don't you want to do that with the boys? No, I would definitely. I would join.
You know, we do our thing. I mean, it's not like I'm not having fun, but I just like staying dialed in.
It makes me feel better about myself. Yeah.
And you've done, obviously, like we're kidding around, but like what you've accomplished after getting. So it was pretty impressive.
And like on a a real note though i was wondering about this earlier like you you go you check yourself into rehab which is hard to do right like there's a big like mental block that a lot of people have whether they're embarrassed they're ashamed whatever the case may be they don't want to seek treatment um and then you get you get out of there and you come back to las vegas and as an outsider that hasn't spent that much time in Las Vegas, it seems like a very hard city to maintain that lifestyle in. Was there like a shock to you when you got back? How did you adjust for that? Honestly, you know, I ended up staying in LA.
I did my 30 days in rehab. I was in LA the whole time.
And then I was like, I want to go back home. Like, I want to go back to my girls.
My dogs are there, whatever. And they're like're like no you're going to it's basically like a halfway house and you get out of prison it's like it's called a sober living so it's a bunch of guys like eight to ten of us in a crib and they all just got out of rehab too so you're living together doing stuff but you're doing meetings during the day and all different type of stuff um and I end up staying there for another three months so um I'm that's honestly the best thing I did did.
Because I wanted to go home really badly, but I didn't. I just sucked it up.
I stayed there for another three months. And then I ended up going into training camp straight out of sober living.
So honestly, if I didn't do that, I don't know if I would have stayed sober. But it helped me prepare.
Going back to Vegas, I was ready. The first step is literally just admitting you have a problem.
So that so that's really what it was i'm like it doesn't matter where i'm at if i was in ypsilanti michigan they know how it was i was raising hell yeah it doesn't matter where i'm at it's it could be vegas or whatever like obviously there's more temptation here but like i live in you know henderson it's quiet i do my thing if i want to you know come to the strip it's 20 minute drive but like i'm not going to the clubs or whatever. I'm smoking my cigars.
That's about it. That's a great message, too, because I feel like a lot of people who struggle with it and that feeling of, okay, I did rehab.
I'm cured. And Jerry, who we talk to all the time, he stresses it all the time.
Every day is a challenge. And if you think of it that way, you're not ever thinking like oh i'm good i'm i'm fine like i can you know i can i can be around stuff like i'm i'm good like having that extra buffer that probably saved your life yeah 100 i mean you need a ton ton of checks and balances from sponsors support your friend group like the number when i first got sober they're like the one thing you got to change is everything yeah i'm like what the fuck does that mean like i'm in the nfl how is that possible yeah literally everything like your friend group who you hang with all the people you know you did wrong in the back you got to go and go dig up those you know those graves and go apologize and like do all these things that you're not typically used to doing and are uncomfortable but you know at the end of the end of the day, when you clean your side of the street, it's just like, okay, I did my part.
I know I was wrong, whatever. And you just keep moving forward.
And that's how you do it. You got to do it literally every single day.
That's awesome. You're mentioning cigars.
You're a big cigar guy. Yeah.
So am I. I like black and milds.
I like the... I love that.
I like the... I like the black and milds too.
That's what I used to do in college. The wine flavored wood tips.
That's my preferred cigar. You like wood? Okay, I like plastic.
You like the plastic ones? Yeah. I mean, I'll smoke whatever black and mild you put in front of me.
But I've tried to get into cigars. I can't do it.
It just, you know, the smell gets into everything. I don't necessarily enjoy it.
How many cigars would you say that you go through in like a month? In a month? like during the season i just like smoke a cigar after the game yeah you did that after the chiefs game and i was like yeah that might have been a little too much what do you mean i don't know like you guys weren't in the playoffs you smoked cigar we smoked cigar after every game all right okay then that's fine that's fair that's what you spoke after a loss no I mean, if it's like me personally, like I go home and I put my film on. But in the locker room, yeah.
Yeah, like locker room, that's like our new shit with AP. It's like we're going to smoke our shit.
Okay, I like that. I would die for Antonio Pierce.
Yeah, he's the man. Motivate anyone.
Yeah. Yeah.
So in a month, I mean, probably, it just depends, maybe six to eight. On the low end, maybe 12 if I'm i'm you know what's a good starter cigar i would say starter like a monte cristo or like a padron okay drone like 50th anniversary is my favorite yeah i might get into that so let's let's talk about antonio pierce real quick uh seems like a mat like an all-time motivation guy gets everyone rallied up now let Let me phrase it the right way.
We've all had bosses we don't like. Here we go.
Then switching to a boss you do like. This is just a hypothetical example.
I already knew. Right away.
So if you hypothetically went from a boss that everyone's like, I hate this guy is the worst, to hypothetically like Antonio Pierce. What would the vibes be like in the locker room? I mean, the vibes were immaculate.
Everyone was happy. You know, I don't want to be politically correct, but it's just like, you know, AP, everyone already loved AP.
So, you know, everyone heard about us having, like, the State of the Union type meeting before Josh got fired. And, like, everybody shared their piece.
And Josh was in there, Dave Ziegler. Like, everyone was in there.
And AP was one of the coaches to stand up there and share his feelings. And there was no – nobody held shit back.
Everything was on the table. And it was uncomfortable for a lot of people so um i think once ap did that in front of the team and then he was announced a week later that was like the first time everybody kind of heard him in front of the team talk so it wasn't like some big surprise or anything like that like the defensive side we know how ap is he's dope as hell he's a great leader cool as shit knew everybody but like once everybody kind of got to hear him then it was just like easy transition and we're we're rolling yeah you could tell right away like just how you guys were i think that first game was maybe the giants you guys were just like it was almost instant from the kickoff like guys flying around yeah physical football um it seems like he's were you pumped that he got the the head coaching job i I feel like the rich passaccia like we love rich passaccia too like that it was like are the raiders gonna make a mistake and not get a guy that they like was there was it ever in doubt that you're like oh man i hope we keep ap but it could go a different way yeah i mean you never know right that's the thing like you know i've been with the raiders going on my sixth year now so you know i've seen it all you know so you really don't know what to expect but you know I had a good you know good idea that AP was coming back yeah but um until it happens you know you're still kind of a little

bit nervous yeah you know there's I was public about it I was very out in the open we need to

hire AP whatever um and I was just literally speaking for the guys right so you know some

people were irritated because they're like he's messing up the coaching process and you know there's a lot of great coaches this year i'm like well there's only one raider coach we're different than everybody so ap is our guy that's how i feel it's how everyone feels that's how the equipment people feel it's how everyone feels so don't overthink it yeah we got our guy in the building let's keep building and we'll see what happens yeah when you said that publicly to me it sounded like max max might not play if they don't hire ap that that thought occurred to you um how much is your guy would you have quit like you were you were so you were you were so obviously like passionate about i was like i think i think max only wants to play football for ap next year. Yeah, no, 100%.
That's how I felt. I've never wanted to leave the Raiders.
I want to be here for my whole career. But honestly, what I was saying, some people took it the wrong way as in it's either AP or I'm gone.
That's not what my message was. My message was I want everybody to be on the same page when it comes to winning I want everyone to have the same mindset I'm gonna get better every single year I'm gonna come in the building early I'm gonna work the way I work because I every single year I'm continuously getting better because of the work I do it's simple as that it's every day I'm trying to set the standard for everybody in that building so if the higher ups or whoever it is are not aligned with winning then i don't want to be a part of that what i why would i you know what i mean i want to win i want them to think the same way i want them to keep all right what's the next level what's the next not get content and just be like all right we're just going to keep doing what we always done but it hasn't worked so let's all fucking think outside the box let's be fucking grown men about it and let's keep winning and keep and keep growing in the right direction so that's what you know my message was and some people took it as you know nobody's above the shield and whatever i'm like bro i got the shield tatted on me yeah i fucking go out there and play a lot of tattoos a lot of tattoos it does blend in a little bit but at the end of the day like i'll put my life on the line to go play like i've proven that over and over.
I've played injured. I've had five surgeries, and I've never missed a single game.
So it's like I'm a Raider to the core. I want everyone to think like that.
It's not like, fuck y'all, I'm out of here. Never.
I love the fans. I love Raider Nation.
But I want everyone to think about, all right, how are we going to win? I'm going into year six already. It flies.
I want to be able to win. I got a question for you, Big Cat.
How funny do you think it was during that team meeting when Antonio Pierce said, remember that Giants team that beat the Patriots, and then Josh McDaniels got pissed off because he's like, you can't make fun of the Patriots. We're going to be the Patriots.
How funny do you think that was? I think it's very funny. I think it's very funny.
Very very funny i don't know who leaked that shit yeah but it was funny he talked you know he talked about a bunch of different things but that was that was one of the reports i'm like all right someone definitely is trying to get some clicks yeah it was a hot topic yeah i clicked they're like josh i'm clicking on it right now it sounded convincing yeah it definitely sounded convincing but But, I mean, he didn't storm out of the meeting. And it was totally, I don't know who fabricated that.
Yeah. All right.
So most important question I have for you. Have you ever gone to P.F.
Chang's with Mark Davis? I have never. No.
What the fuck? No, I know. How does he not? You got to get that in your contract.
He's going to take you to P.F. Chang's.
We're big Mark Davis fans. Oh, I love Mark Davis.
Mark Davis has got all the swag. We want him on the show so bad.
We want to go to P.F. Chang's with him.
He's the best. He's the best.
He'll go by himself. Yeah.
He'll sit at a slot machine in a casino and just hanging out. I love it.
He's just one of the guys. He's a guy's guy.
Yeah. 100%.
Yeah. All right.
So the Super Bowl coming up. Patrick from Holmes, you obviously play him twice a year.
Best friend. Yeah.
One thing I love that you do is I feel like rivalries mean something to you. Yeah.
And you don't like these guys. I love that.
There was a pregame. I think you guys got into it a little bit before the Christmas game.
I just love that. That's what sports about about uh but pat from holmes in terms of sacking him like how do you defend him what the hell is the answer because it's just he's so goddamn good yeah no he's he's the best you know so every time you play him you have to be coordinated you have to do your absolute best i don't know if you do your absolute best you have to do everything in your power and fucking energy every fiber in your body to keep him in the pocket if he keeps plays alive that's where he's magical he does all the crazy shit throws a left-handed and he just finds people um but if you keep him in the pocket that's your best bet and i'm not saying it's you know 100 it's going to stop him but that's your best chance and you watch us play them on Christmas.
Like, we kept them in the pocket. We rushed the fuck out of them.
We were hunting them all game. Like, that's what your mind has to be like.
All right, I know what I'm getting into. Track shoes on.
I'm fucking running all day long. Like, you look at the GPS.
Like, they have the GPS monitors on us. It should be the highest it is all year because he's just going to keep running and running and running.
So kind of what it is like you can you got to be relentless and your whole front's got to think like that so every time i play him i know what it is i'm going to be chasing all day long and you know that's just you got to be geared up for that what about when he gets to the sideline because he's really good at getting those extra yards where guys like they don't let up but they also you can't stop i mean i there was a play this year where he was literally backpedaling he's near the sideline and i ran from like the opposite side and i just fucking smoked him in the chin and i'm like no matter what it's he is going down right all game you're gonna you have to hit him all game and make him uncomfortable but the thing about him he's not a he's not a bitch he's gonna keep coming back he's gonna keep playing and for us it's like no we're gonna just make him uncomfortable. But the thing about him, he's not a bitch.
He's going to keep coming back. He's going to keep playing.
And for us, it's like, no, we're going to just make him uncomfortable all game. Yeah.
That's the best bet. Wait, if he's not a bitch, what quarterback is a bitch? I won't name any.
There's more than one. Okay, okay, okay.
There's a lot of them. Mad bitches.
Well, I'm sure there's some quarterbacks you hit them and they're like, no mas. They're crying.
Yeah, there's a lot of them that cry. I mean, yeah, it is.
What quarterback makes the funniest sound when you hit them? Funniest sound? Probably Russell Wilson. Yeah.
Probably Russell Wilson. He just like rolls over and I'm like, I almost feel bad sometimes.
But yeah, it's, I'll probably say right. It's got to be such a good feeling.
All. All due respect.
It's got to be such a good feeling to get a sack.

Have you had to change how you hit a quarterback?

Do you think about that shit?

Like, oh, if I'm sacking him, I better try to take my weight off him in midair

because he'll throw a flag.

Yeah, honestly, no.

It's almost like a skill now.

You get a hold of him and you're trying to ragdoll him.

You just know, back in the day, I was literally trying to break collarbones. Every time you you get him i'm driving him through the soil like that's the only way i'm doing it but now it's just like you can't land full body weight you know a flag's coming so it's like it's like getting a face mask you grab someone with a face mask you know the flag's going it's the same thing so now you just got to be a little bit more aware and under control i would say i do notice you do the move where you wrap them up and then swing them yeah I did that to my homes last year.
I grab them and I just turn them away. So you can't look downfield and you can't do shit.
That's got to feel like the best moment when you know you got them. Oh, 100%.
There's no better feeling. Like TFLs, tack, all that's great.
But like sacking the quarterback in a big third down, like there's literally nothing better. Yeah.
I want to go back to, I believe it was 2019. it's 2019 was that your rookie year yep 2019 your first training camp yeah i believe that was the antonio brown training camp too right you remember when you flew in on a hot air balloon on the first day of training camp yeah that we had hard knocks we had everything were you like is this what the nfl is like there's cameras around me all the time my receiver's toes are frozen off yeah he's trying to fight the GM.
Yeah i mean when i say like i've seen it all you know being on the raiders i've seen it all yeah that offseason we signed ab vontaze perfect richie incognito oh we had like it was like the longest yard team and it was fucking was your coach and gruden's the coach like it was a fucking reality television show yeah so i was you know it was incredible like those guys like even vont like you think about vontas burpik you think he's like some serial killer he's one of the coolest dudes ever great leader but like just being around those dudes like that was my first experience ever so it was different it was crazy like the ab shit was in the news every single day i'm like how like this is so much different. I'm used to Eastern.
We barely get coverage on ESPN. Like maybe ESPN too, like get a couple highlights.
Like this shit was on TV every single day. So it was different.
What's it like playing for Coach Gruden? Did he get pissed off at you because you were too good at defense in practice? You would fuck up his offense? He would get irritated. He literally threatened to cut me on the middle of the field.
One my my first training camp and his thing like he's an offensive coach and i've always had offensive coaches till ap got here um but he would get so mad about batting balls like we'll be in in practice doing team and he refused to let us bat the ball but i would tell him like why the fuck are we practicing to not bat the balls but in a game they're going to be the same shit so right what's the point but he's an offensive guy so he wants his shit to he wants practice to move a certain way so i'm not even thinking i'm just trying to make plays and whatever i'm a third string i'm just trying to do everything so it's like the second week of training camp i've swat a ball down and i'm fucking hype celebrating and he's all looking at me all irritated whatever happens again boom swat a ball down then it happens at the end of practice i swatted for the third time he's like stop fucking stop swatting the fucking ball down because i'll fucking cut your ass i swear to god i'll be doing one more time i'm looking at him like all right and then just go back to the huddle like he shut down practice and motherfucking and i'm like what but yeah i'm not used In college, we'd do whatever the fuck. We'd hit the scout team quarterbacks.
We didn't give a fuck. And you bat one Derek Carr ball, you're getting motherfucked.
He loved that about me because I would just fucking go 100 miles an hour. But at the same time, he motherfucked me all the time just about batting balls.
And it's an offensive coach thing. Daniel's the same way.
He fucking hated it yeah it is what it is incredible have you talked to aiden o'connell at all about his mustache of course of course did he need to shave it no honestly the first conversation i had with him when he came in as a rookie like i spotted him a couple times i didn't know who he was like knew he's coming from purdue but i seen him with the stash and i didn't know if it was like a fucking a prank or like his thing or whatever it was and i was sitting there in the squat rack doing a workout and i just went out of my way i went up to him like is there a story like what's going on with the stash he's like honestly he's like i was trying to go grow a beard but it kind of it didn't grow out right and whatever and he's like then i just shaved and i just kept the stash and i looked myself in the mirror he was like, I kind of like this. He just went with it.
And that's been his thing ever since. I'm like, honestly, I fuck with it.
I respect it. That's his deal.
Just fucking ride the wave. Get a couple sponsorships and ride the wave.
We can't all grow good facial hair. Sometimes you got to shoot your shot a little bit and see what comes out.
100%. The Thursday night game this year against the Chargers was awesome congrats yeah congrats on being in that game yeah um in the first half could you just tell like i don't think i don't think the chargers want to play football right now no uh yeah they didn't want any part of it i mean you could tell they were going through a lot herbert got hurt they had all type of shit going on everyone's talking about their coach might get fired and And then, you know, we just lost to the Vikings 3-0.
Yeah, it was bad. Like the ugliest game ever.
You know, it was a defensive, you know, dream. They didn't do shit all game.
We lose by three points, and everybody was pissed. The offensive guys, they couldn't score a single point, so they were getting killed for the next three days, and it was a quick turnaround.
So I know they were itching to get back on the field so we went out there like right out the gate boom boom boom every time they we were on defense it was like pick fumble yeah it was just every fucking play we're just laughing at the game yeah it was like i've never been a part of a game like that i didn't play the last i didn't play the fourth quarter i didn't play like the last drive of the third quarter so i'm just hanging out my helmet I'm like, I've never been a part of this shit. I'm like, this is what it feels like to be on a fucking dominant team.
You know what I mean? So, yeah, it was a different experience. But, yeah, we kicked the shit out of it.
Yeah, he did. That seemed like a lot of fun.
Yeah, it was good. I have a question about your tattoos.
How many tattoos do you have? No idea. Okay, no idea.
You do have a tattoo, though. You're a girl dad.
As a girl dad to girl dad, I can ask you this question. You have a tattoo on your chest it says be legendary no yeah with muhammad ali uh kobe mj and your daughter yes that's a lot of pressure on her yeah it is dude that's a lot of pressure it's a lot of pressure you know i did it strategically did you think about that she's gonna be a legend yeah so you know how I am.
You know, she's got my genetic pool. So I love being pushed.
I love when something triggers me. So, yeah.
I'm just setting her up. Like, listen, this is where you're at.
Yeah. This is where we're going.
So be prepared. Okay.
Very high. Yeah.
That's like, I read that and I was like, damn, that's a lot of pressure. A ton of pressure.
She's on a Mount Rushmore. She's on Mount Rushmore.
Yeah. Immediately.
Did you get the DAC treatment on that? Did you get put under, sedated? Yeah, yeah. How long? Two sessions.
It was like 13 hours total, back-to-back days. So were you totally knocked out? Knocked.
They came to my house. There's five different shit.
And I was in my living room. Knocked out.

My agent flew in because he was worried about it.

My wife is freaking out.

Everyone was like, I don't know.

I'm like, I'm fine.

I'll be good.

Like, a bunch of players do it.

And, yeah, I did it.

It was smooth.

And, honestly, after the fact, I wasn't, like, that sore.

I just, you know, it was smooth. It was legendary.

Yeah.

You should have gotten you getting the tattoo on your chest. Me getting tattooed.
Yeah, like you getting knocked out for a two-day session and the tattoo artist tattooing that on your chest. That would have been unique.
Maybe the next one. Uh-huh.
No doubt. Just look how long this tattoo took, and then we could see how long it took seeing your chest.
It's brilliant. Yeah, I might have to do that now.
Yeah, it also sounds like a nice little vacation yeah just get two days just yeah i timed it up perfect where i had a week off of training so it was like two weeks before training camp always take a week i need to get my body back together and so i was like all right boom we're tagging here tagging and i was just yeah cooked um tough question there was a hypothetical on the internet a couple months ago that Will Compton got involved in a lot it was the all black team versus all white team you were debated a lot I think your name actually trended for like two days do you want to say which team you're going to play for there was the best was where they were like people would post the post game videos of you in the locker room like with a cigar and they're like yeah he's on our team i've seen a million of them honestly like i said i want to be on the winning team yeah okay we got a bunch of i'm going for the winning choice all day they want me i'm there did you just sit back and laugh like why like you were literally the point of debate for over for days and i'm just sitting at home like what the fuck you have nothing better to do they're like oh no we got him fuck y'all and they're talking about trade scenarios and all type of shit they're like yeah you take russell wilson i'm fucking bro. I was in team.
You had to have felt good, though. You were like the hottest commodity on the team.
It was funny, bro. It was hilarious.
You're the number one free agent. The internet is undefeated.
It really is. It's also like, I feel like, speaking for the white delegation, we have a lot of great pass rushers on our team right now in the NFL.
So we're like, well, if we do have a trade piece. Yeah, if it got us a cornerback, we would do it.
Yeah, absolutely. It makes sense.
Give us Jalen Ramsey, yeah. I'll take it.
It's all business. Patrick Shutan, okay.
Yeah, we can figure that out. What was Will Compton like as a teammate? Was he more of a tryhard than you? I wouldn't say that.
I mean, he's just a morale. He's the first team alloral.
He just comes to the locker room. He's always just doing his thing.
He was hilarious. And when we went on our run, he had the playoff Willie shit going.
We had T-shirts. He's a character, bro.
So having him in the locker room was funny as hell. He's just cracking jokes.
Honestly, he didn't have to play a snap. But we needed him.
he was supposed to be there. He's an all-time glue guy.
He's a glue piece. Because we get the same thing when he comes to our office.
It's like when he shows up, it's like he's a glue guy. He's like the Udonis Haslam, you know, in the locker room.
Yeah. No question.
I like that. I like how you put it too.
It's like he doesn't even have to play. In fact, like we don't want him to play, but he's great in the locker room.

Honestly, yeah, pray to God it never gets to that.

But, yeah, no doubt.

It's a legend.

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Oh, shit. I think he's got a bone to pick with you.
Yeah. I heard.
He definitely heard what he said about Vontaze Burfe. He's got stuff he wants you to sign, of course.
Sit on down. All right, Jerry.
All right. Let's talk.
It's a good nap. I heard bits and pieces of the interview.
It was really good. Oh, you were sleeping? Yeah, no, no.
Other room. You were taking a nap during the interview? Yeah, but I heard bits and pieces.
Like, all black, white team was good. So you just heard the last two seconds.
You heard the last segment. Yeah, that's good.
As we were going out of your nap. Okay, so Jerry, go ahead.
I mean, you guys have known each other for a while, right? Yeah, for sure. Two years now, I think.
A couple years. Yeah.
Friend of Jerry's, right? Yeah. Max, so my sobriety brother, of course.
Big fan. Absolutely.
All right, I got two. I got two.
All right, go ahead. Is that okay, Dan? As many as you want.
All right, so this goes back. Oh, shit.
He's got the date. In June of last year.
June last. 2023? Less than a year? No.
Less than a year or a year and a half ago? Year and a half.

Happy Father's Day, Max.

Enjoy the day, brother. Best of luck this year.
Appreciate you, my brother. Max responds.

I said, listen, let me send you some

bread for a jersey or whatever.

He's like, you want a jersey?

I'm like, yes, Max. For me and my cousin.

He's a diehard Raiders fan and a huge fan

of yours. I'm with him right now.
He loves

you. No response.
Jerry, can I jump in real quick yeah when you sent that text to him now is this a dmr text dmd okay when you sent that dm to him uh and you offered to send him some money for a jersey did you think that max was going to be like yeah vinmo me absolutely not a couple hundred dollars all right also follow-up question. The Father's Day feels like it was a hollow wish.

Because you went straight Father's Day to can I have a jersey?

Yes, exactly.

Okay.

So you admit that.

I admit that, yeah.

Were you using Father's Day as an excuse to get in touch with him?

Well, no.

He was a recent new dad at the time.

I'm a dad, and I just thought it was the right time to do it.

Right.

To ask for a jersey.

Yeah.

I mean, Father's Day, you're having a great day.

Spend with your kid.

It's like, why would he say no?

You know what I mean?

Okay.

Okay.

Then I hit him up about, hey, next to Trump, incredible stuff.

No response.

Wait, what was that?

Well, he was at the UFC.

He goes to these big UFC fans.

Oh, sitting next to Trump.

Sitting next to Trump.

I mean, that's incredible.

You know what I mean?

September 19th.

Nice work.

This past year. Hey, Max, I still need that signed.
Why do you make me do this? It's the best. You do it to yourself.
I know. He DMs all these players.
Why did you make Jersey Jerry DM Max and ask him? You said a follow-up? He knows all my football fans are, and he's like, oh oh why don't you come on PMT for one question

I'm like okay

And then he's like yeah I'm sure you DM them

I was like yeah well the jersey you know that Dan

He's like come on PMT one question

And then I'm always in the same spot

But again it starts with you

I know you're right

So this is the last time I asked

I said

Hey Max I still need that jersey

Can't wait to watch you play Sunday night. And that was it? That was it.
No, you didn't respond, but then you responded to one of my stories. And then I was like, you know what? I'm done.
But I do have shoes that Max has sent me that I would love to get signed. Okay, okay.
He didn't like my dad's shoes, so he sent me a pair of Air Max. Oh, nice.
Just happened to bring them to Vegas. How they work.
Second question, Dan, please. One more.
Was that even a question? I think that was just funny. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Serious question. No, but are you going to get a jersey? Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, we've got to figure it out. It feels like we still don't have the jersey thing.
We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.
We'll figure it out. Okay.
We will figure it out. But don't let him off the hook.
I'm not leaving. He's saying we'll figure it out.
Then you're going to DM in a month. He's going to be like, I don't know.
He's 20 minutes away. We're getting it done today.
We're getting it done today. I go to the house.
Okay. 100%.
Have dinner. All right.
Last question. Off the record.
On the record. Sorry.
We're on the record. We're on the record.

Ten cameras in a row.

Couldn't be more on the record.

You can't pick yourself.

Who is the best defensive player in football right now?

I can't pick myself?

No.

You can't pick yourself.

Okay.

I know you want me to answer this a certain way.

I've seen many of your spiels about a man with two letters for first name. Getting close.
He definitely – I mean, if it's not him, I mean – Miles Garrett's pretty good. Doesn't Miles Garrett have more sacks than TJ? No.
No. He's TJ has 19, and Miles Garrett's going to win defensive player of the year.
I will say this on record, though. On record, I will say this.
On record. I will be putting a wager on Max Charlesby to win defensive players next year.
So what do you take into account out of who's the best defensive player? Is it just sacks? Whether or not he plays for the Steelers is a good party. Or if he plays for you.
It's usually Steelers, yes. But I just think the last three, four years, he's been that guy.
But I will say this. I have said it, and Dan could test this.
Max is, dude, there's like TJ right now. Max is on him right now.
And it gets me nervous. I like that.
Yeah, just right there. Gives me more motivation.
I love it. I love that.
I respect that. I think next year you're going to see, I think, Max, you're going to win the title next year.
I really do. I appreciate that.
How many years he got left in the contract? Three. Three.
Jerry. I mean, he's a steal.
You look like a stealer. I appreciate that.
You never know. You never know.
But, yeah, I would say, honestly, yeah, TJ. If not TJ, you got to look at – I mean, it's hard not to say Aaron Donald even though he didn't have 20 sacks this year, but nobody game plans people like Aaron Donald.
I mean, Miles Garrett's right there too. I would say, like, us four.
I mean, Bosa's in that conversation. Micah, yeah.
Micah. I mean, there's like six guys right now.
Yeah. But TJ.
Yeah, I mean, if he wins it, I should. I don't think he's going to win, though.
I don't think he's going to win. Who do you think he's going to win? I think Miles is going to win.
I think they feel bad that he's never won it, and they're going to give it to him. But how do you give it to a guy with 13 sacks? That's it.
TJ got 19. You know what I mean? What do you think matters most? a how many sacks does you have 14 and a half oh so maybe it's but every year max is boom boom boom he's building he's building yeah he's on my ass you know it's my goal i don't trust me i remember all those arguments the taylor lawan argument i'm a stack i don't know anything about the like offensive lineman how they feel like hey who's the best? Every professional offensive lineman I spoke to said,

they'd rather go up against TJ than Miles Garrett.

Is that Kyle?

Kyle.

Taylor LeJuan.

Everybody.

That's two.

Every old lineman.

Dan, you're making an embarrassment on me.

No, I'm not.

No, I'm not.

Jerry did a great job. Thank you.
Thank you. What did you think about his comment regarding Vontaze Burfecht? I'll tell you what.
I was asleep for that one. Yeah, you were asleep for that one.
He's very complimentary of Vontaze. Really? Yeah, he was a great dude.
I mean, we were talking about that 2019 team where we had AB. He's not like a leader of men or anything.
He was a great leader, great great dude great locker room guy I mean it just once he saw somebody going across the middle he saw red put his head down and killed yeah so he just couldn't help himself but oh you know other than that he's good I got a last question for you when are we going to get to see Max Crosby the tight end in an NFL game the tight end get some touchdowns I'm not gonna lie to you I've had plays in for the last couple years. And they haven't used them? No, I've used them in practice.
Miraculous catch. Nice toe tap on the sideline.
We do some one-on-ones. I'm catching it.
I'm just waiting for my moment. So, honestly, you never know.
But we'll see. I mean, I've had a bunch of different offensive coordinators who are like, no, we're going to get it in there.
Then we run it in practice. It looks great.
And then we just never run it. We need it.
Do you have a touchdown celebration set? I mean, I don't know. If I score a touchdown, I'm going in the crowd.
Oh, yes. I'm getting up in the crowd.
You're going to find the gorilla? Possibly. That guy rocks.
You should kiss the gorilla. Yeah, I don't know about that.
Maybe not. But just football.
No bad ideas. Just no bad ideas.
You should kiss Mark Davis. Yeah.
Yeah, that might. Yeah, because he's hot.
He's hot. Yeah.
All right, well, Max, this has been awesome, man. Your story's incredible.
It's crazy. I kind of forgot that we talked to you.
What was it? It was Miami? Yeah, Miami. So that was like two months before you went sober, right? Yeah, literally two months before.
That's nuts. I mean, your career is incredible.
You're a fun guy to watch and root for. So congrats and defensive player of the year next year.
Right in Jerry's face. I'm betting on it.
He's betting. Oh, yeah.
All right. So then we'll all celebrate.
Amen. Perfect.
Amen. We'll come back to Vegas.
We'll celebrate. We're going to be in such good shape next year just being on the Max Crosby mentality.
Hell, yeah. You guys are going to be shredded.
I want to get my hands on you for like two days. I bet you I can get you to stop working out.
You think? Yeah. Zero chance.
Come hang around a little bit. Yeah.
Yeah, no doubt. All right.
Thanks, man. Thanks, Max.
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Okay. Fire fest of the week.
Hank wrap us up. It's been a good week.
My fire fest, you know, is over. Obviously the last couple of weeks was a standup.
So I feel, you I feel happy and relieved. So not too much to report.

My only fire fast would really just be people that play blackjack and don't hit on 16.

Anybody in particular?

There was a woman that I was...

I hit the table a little bit this morning, and there was a woman who just did it like three different times.

It got me quite tilted.

Yeah.

I did get up after the second time because the dealer would have busted if she had hit she she would have got 20 didn't happen i lost all three times that's brutal jerry does that from time to time too jerry doubles on 12 he yeah he doubles on 12 and sometimes he will uh just not hit on like a 13 yeah well it's a pet is this against the 10 I'm assuming against a 10. Yeah.
Or four or five or six.

Can't blame them.

No,

obviously not.

No,

I'm saying,

yeah,

seven,

eight,

nine,

10.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But yeah,

other than that,

great week.

Great week.

PFT.

Yeah,

I had a pretty good week.

Don't really have,

I don't have a fire fest.

I guess my fire fest is,

we just did an interview and I,

I kind of cried during it.

So that's going to be bad when that comes out.

So yeah, that's probably just have that to look forward to. You didn't cry.
I got a little emotional. Yeah.
You didn't cry. But, yeah, besides that, I don't know.
It's been a good week. Okay.
I'm loving Vegas. Okay.
Yeah. Viva Las Vegas.
All right. My Fire Fest.
Everyone saw on Monday we accosted mark davis we do not have mark davis on the show we're hopefully gonna get him at some point uh even though we accosted him i had another run-in with someone i'd love to have on the show but i chickened out and that's my fire fest i took a piss next to tony romo last night oh and i was like what's up tony and that night. Oh, and I was like, what's up, Tony? And that's all I said, because I was like, this guy.
If I say part of my take, I not like he probably knows a little bit about a little bit. He might have listened to the interview with his brother-in-law.
Yeah. He also is wearing a backpack.
Someone he works with. Definitely.
probably. Yeah.
You know, Ravel sends him the clips. I pussied out.
So I replayed it a bunch of times. Also, it's kind of weird in the bathroom.
But yeah, Tony Romo. Saw him real life.
Didn't say, oh, I don't know about that piss there. Yeah.
You know, Tony or something like that, which I also was thinking about doing. The stream i don't know yeah but yeah he was he had a backpack on it was weird yeah what is he like six yeah i don't know it was like a leather backpack too he's probably coming from like a coach's meeting i don't know he's he was walking towards the high high rollers room after we left the bathroom so i don't know did you fist pump him no i followed behind him for a little bit.
Did he answer you? Yeah, he was like, hey. That was it.
Yeah, I mean, it's weird to say hello to someone with chicken piss next to him. It would have been a great video, though, if you took your phone out and you're like, hey, Tony.
Yeah. You want to come on part of my take? Come on part of my take, dude.
Come on, P-boy. We've been really mean to you.
Okay, Jake. Yeah, first off, apologies for saying Radio Row is my home.
I should have said, like,. No.
Oh, that's, I mean, yeah. Yeah.
We have microphones here too. Yeah.
Yeah. But outside of work people.
You want people wearing suits behind the microphone. Yeah.
Right. You want professionalism.
Yeah. Vegas just gives me anxiety.
Just the whole thing. No way.
Yeah. Yeah.
The lights, just like feels like you need to be moving. If I'm in my hotel room, I'm like, where's everyone else? I mean, you lived in New York City.
Yeah, but that's different. Okay.
Like Times Square. Yeah.
It's different. There's a very funny interaction with Jake and the lady at the roulette table.
And Jake was staying next to me as we were all playing and this this drunk lady behind us was like leaning over him like trying to place bets and jake was standing watching supporting his friends and uh and the lady was like aren't you gonna bet anything and jake was like no i'm just here you know supporting my friends and rooting for my friends that was tuesday and wednesday i got in and it went poorly yeah yeah yeah but but the lady yourself the lady was like why aren't you betting and jake's like there's plenty of time later on the week for that oh yeah so i think i think jake's about to get nasty on the table the last couple days wednesday was positions still time to rebound but yeah vegas is just like where should i be yeah radio row strip club yeah radio row uh max Did you get a fire fest? Um,

I farted. I farted.
Club. Yeah.
Radio row. Max, you got a fire fest?

I farted.

Allegedly. That makes it sound like it was only one.
I don't know

any of these farts. Your fire fest is that you had

a burrito. Ripping.

Ripping. Did you guys see my tweet last night?

No, I did not. Oh, yes.

The guy who ordered your two sodas.

The waiter comes

over and starts pouring a soda. I was like, I didn't order

I'm going to go ahead. ripping did you guys see my tweet last night no i did oh yes the guy who ordered your two sodas i these the waiter comes over and starts pouring a soda i was like i didn't order this soda and then he puts another one on the table i was like oh my god somebody just fucking two sodas max yeah if you see max get him two sodas no do not get me every time you see him in public get him two sodas but the man needs two sodas the best thing to happen to max though was memes yeah yeah dave hates memes yeah memes what's your fire fest i had a pretty good week oh okay no this week sucked dick uh sunday night wi-fi didn't work james winston interview took too long to upload and then i bombed on stage in front of dave and frank fle, who won't forget about this ever.
No, Frank playing the cricket sound was very rude. Very rude.
Chad, how did you think the week went? Dave's a hater. Let Chad have the mic real quick.
Chad's our sound guy. He's been with us all week.
We always do this Super Bowl week. Chad, what do you think about this operation? Operation here is all good.
I think the week went well, especially for the recordings and the stuff that I did. Got some really cool people.
Got a shout out to Kittle. Iowa boy.
Yes. Yes.
Chad got a picture with Kittle. Yep.
Yep. Yeah.
Dad was stoked about that, too, because he's the Iowa boy. All right.
Love it. Yeah.
Great week. All right.
Shout out, Chad. Shout out, Chad.
Last year, we gave a whole shout out to our sound guy. Then he fucked up the audio Super Bowl Sunday.

But we're not going to be here Sunday.

So great, Chad.

Yeah. So this audio is not fucked up.

Yeah.

Shout out, Chad.

Hopefully.

Hopefully not.

Oh, I do have another real fire fest.

I just remembered.

I started vaping again this week.

And I blame Hank Lockwood for getting me into it.

Because Hank was so stressed out on Sunday when we got here.

He just started ripping a vape.

I was like, what are you doing, dude? Ripping a vapepe he's like yeah i'm just trying to trying to calm the nerves i was like hank let me get a drag of that and i took a drag and then about two hours later i went bought my own rig nice now i'm back on the hard stuff yeah nice i'm gonna have to start smoking i smoked cigarettes last night to wean myself off the vape that's the best way to to quit vape. So I'm just going to have to smoke more cigarettes.

I love that our hotel is smoke-free.

I hate that.

All right.

Let's kick it to ourselves back in studio.

Last one with the Schwamm.

Everyone enjoy Super Bowl Sunday,

and we will see you on Monday morning.

All right.

Super Bowl week wrapped.

The big game is coming up,

and we still got the Schwamm for the lottery balls all week long. If you've been following along, he guessed 22 on Monday.
It was 56. He guessed 18 on Wednesday.
It was 22. So now, what do you do? Big choice.
Big choice. Do I do it in Roman numerals? You can do it in every way.
Super Bowl 58. Okay.
All right.

58.

I'll go 71 again.

I'll go 8 again.

40 for Hank.

18 for Jake.

Memes.

30.

Or Shane.

21 and 3 for Memes.

1. 1.
One. One.
One? One. One.
First time one's hit. One.
First time it's ever hit. One.
Love you guys. Oh, boom.
If we're still recording, do you have a first touchdown pick? Oh, yeah. Oh.
For the people. This is important.

It's very important. First touchdown.

You want me to make it goofy or try to win it? No, you want to win it.

Whatever you think. Whatever you say, we're going to bet.

That's true.

Well, he's the favorite of it, right?

Like, Kelsey's the lowest number. No, McCaffrey

would definitely be. McCaffrey's numbers are nuts.

Yeah.

I'd like to come up with some bizarre.

Yeah.

Yeah, but.

Jushek?

Hurt my head too much.

What about Gray?

The other tight end on the Chiefs?

Oh, that would be.

Yeah.

Let's go to touchdown, not right away.

Kelsey's the obvious.

How about, just for the heck of it, I don't know that you should bet this I will nothing you can do no no no don't let him talk you out of it don't worry we won't bet it we've already given our pick for the game so I've said the Chiefs will win this is a me problem not a you problem whatever you say I'm going to problem, not a you problem. Whatever you say, I'm going to bet, but that's not your fault.
That's my fault. Boy, are we so happy with Val DeScantling.
Oh, okay. All right.
It's in. It's in.
Now, that's got to be a big number. Yeah, that's a big number.
It's in. It's in.
I have no choice. We'll put a lot of shekels on it.
Oh, we're putting a lot of shekels on it. Oh, yeah.
We're putting a lot of shekels on it. You can't say something that spicy and expect us not to take it.
The plan is simple. I'm going to put a lot of money on tails.
That will hit. And then we put all the winnings on Valdez-Scantling.
That's a Super Bowl play. Tails never fails.
Is that true? Yeah. It rhymes.
Tails never fails. It rhymes, yeah.
It's definitely not true because I've lost a lot of money on Super Bowl. You have to bet the over on the national anthem, too.
Always take over. How long it is? Yeah, you have to bet over.
Who's singing it this year? Reba McIntyre. Okay.
Well, that could go either way. She might not be over.
Tails is on three of the last five. Tails, three of the last five.
Okay, three of the last five. We're on tails.
Valdez-Scantling. That's it.
That's it. Love it.
That's not going to be their early game plan. No, I love it.
I love it. You can't talk me out of my game plan.
No, it's just like a feel good. Yeah.
Yeah. This is my first 15 plays scripted.
It's Tails. It's a pizza.
It's Valdez-Scantling. We got it all set.
I think if Valdez-Scantling scores the first touchdown, I think the 49ers would be like, this does not feel good to us. Yeah, we might as well just quit right now.
It's going to be 22-18. I don't know if that would be the way that he would call that.
Yeah. I don't think so because if they're at the 25, if they're at the 10, he's not going to do it.

It would have to be like from the third.

And one of those weird Andy Reid red zone plays,

you know, they have two guys in motion,

shovel pass to a reverse coming around the edge.

Yeah, but I don't know that he would carry it.

Well, they're not going to give it to Mecole.

Probably not.

No, I mean,

Mecole throwing the ball like from your, if ball, like at midfield, send them long.

Yeah.

So, Meikle throwing the ball to MVS? No, no, no.

Like, send them long.

Now, this is getting real serious.

I like it.

Yeah.

I like it.

Send them long.

I'm retiring.

We're not doing a show next year.

I'm going to win so much money on this.

I'm retiring.

Are you still on?

Yeah, we're still on.

I'm going to retire.

We'll just have you come talk ball. We won't even have microphones.
He can run. He's the fastest.
Yep. Okay.
The bet's in. Ayuk's pretty fast.
Debo's pretty fast. McCaffrey's pretty fast.
They're all fast. Purdy's fast.
Yeah, they are. They're all fast.
I'd love to see Juszczyk score, but they don't run him like they get a few years.

Okay, so we'll go MVS first touchdown, Juszczyk anytime touchdown.

Love it.

There's the plan.

They don't.

No, you can't talk me out of it.

They used to run him five or six times a game.

They don't.

You can't talk me out of it.

I know.

They don't.

I was trying to not go chalk.

You know, they did give him the ball, I think, inside the five last week.

They may have. I think he got a touch.
Yeah, he'll get one. Yeah, that was just a dress rehearsal for this week.
We're in. I like I like it.
I think that might have more of a shot. Well, not a first score.
Anytime. Yeah.
I don't like it. I love it.
Valdez Scanlon might be in any time. Yeah.
No, we're going first. We're going first.

In any time.

All right.

What else would be a first?

Here we go.

MVS, any time, plus 550.

First touchdown, 31.

Oh.

I like that.

31 to 1.

And then.

Any time?

Any time.

Oh, no.

Sorry.

First.

First is 31 to 1.

Okay.

That's a hammer play for me.

That's a hammer play. You check any time, 10 to 1.
I like that. Perfect.
I like1. Okay.
That's a hammer play for me. That's a hammer play.

You check anytime, 10-1.

I like that.

Perfect.

I like that.

Okay.

All right.

No, he should be about 8-1, so I think you're getting a good value.

Yeah, you're getting some value there.

Valdez scaling is 31-1.

So what are they?

McCaffrey and Kelsey or whatever they are.

For first or anytime?

No, first. Actually, Travis Kelsey first is 8-1.
Not bad. Pretty good.
Yeah. Janko lower than him? McCaffrey is plus 360 for his touchdown, which is absurd.
This is perfect. Boom.
I'm going to parlay Yusekk anytime touchdown with Marquez Valdez, Scantling, first touchdown, five grand to win $1 million. Done.
I wouldn't have. If you were asking me that, I wouldn't.
I'm going to do it. All right, thank you, Boom.
No, you're going to do it. Yeah, there's difficult names to spell.
Yeah. So that should count.

Yeah.

News check.

Why not?

Why not us?

All right.

Thank you, Boom, as always.

You're the best.

I didn't realize we were still in the speakeasy.

Say love you guys.

Love you guys.

Talking away.

I don't know what I'm to say.

I say it anyway.

Today's my day to find you shying away'll be coming for your lover Take on me Take me on I Thank you. I'll be gone What a damn team