Jimbo Fisher, Cam Jordan, Week 18 Picks And Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we've got a twofer for the people. We have head coach Jimbo Fisher.

Speaker 1 currently not coaching, but we have a great discussion with him about the national championship on Monday night, his time at Texas A ⁇ M, his time at Florida State, Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 That is a theme of today's show because we also have Cam Jordan from the New Orleans Saints on the show. We also talked to him about Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 Somebody out there has to know Jameis Winston, and if you do, just play him today's episode. Yeah, please.
It's the Jameis episode. So great interview, though, with Cam Jordan.

Speaker 1 Talked some ball with him. Talked about the Saints playing in a big game this weekend, trying to get in the playoffs, being an older future Hall of Famer in the NFL.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about week 18, everything that's at stake, and we're going to do Fire Fest of the week at the end.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my Take. Today is Friday, January 5th, and we have reached the finale of the NFL regular season, week 18.

Speaker 1 It came fast, boys. You know what? I'm going to say it.
This sounded a Rick Petito joke. This is the start of the playoffs.
This is the start of the playoffs. We got playoffs this weekend.

Speaker 1 Well, there's some teams that have already been playing in the playoffs. Yeah.
Well, some teams since like week one. Yeah.
But yeah, we got playoff games this weekend.

Speaker 1 We got playoff games this weekend. We've got a full week 18 card, couple Saturday games, full Sunday slate.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to say it right now. Enjoy it.
Embrace it. The chaos.
I know there's some games that don't mean anything, but there's enough games that have enough implications.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited for this last full Sunday that we will get to spend together watching all the games. Yes.
Reliving all the chaos. But we did get here, and we got here fast.

Speaker 1 It goes, the seasons change.

Speaker 1 What was your favorite moment of the 2022 regular season, 2023 regular season? Oh, there were so many good moments this year.

Speaker 1 I really liked the Kadarius Tony storyline. Yep.
That was good. It was fun following along with that.
I like that one guy's girlfriend. What's her name?

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey's girlfriend. What's her name? Oh, I thought you were going to say

Speaker 1 the gymnast. I think she's a singer.
Oh, yeah, the singer. The singer.
Yeah, the gymnast also. The gymnast who's dating the guy in Green Bay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did she win anything? Julie Ertz's husband.

Speaker 1 Getting injured.

Speaker 1 I'd say the number one story from the 2023 NFL regular season is everyone's favorite quarterback got hurt. Yeah, except for Lamar.
Except for Lamar, who's won the MVP. Congratulations, Lamar.

Speaker 1 Congratulations. Yeah.
He has won the MVP. But yes, we have a full week 18 to get through.
So I split it up this week. You stole my ramp pen.
Oh. Oh, yeah.
I was using it for the dozen.

Speaker 1 That's not for you.

Speaker 1 I had to

Speaker 1 do some Jeff D. Lowe trivia.

Speaker 1 Okay, so week 18. We have four games that mean absolutely nothing.
So I wanted to just say them out loud so people can be like, did you talk about them? Yes. Maybe even put a timestamp.

Speaker 1 Browns at Bengals, Jets at Patriots, Broncos at Raiders. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They mean nothing.
Disney

Speaker 1 Patriots mean a lot. Disney.
It does mean a lot, actually. That one.
Browns at Bengals means nothing. We'll go slowly.
Browns at Bengals means nothing. It means absolutely nothing.
Nothing.

Speaker 1 Nothing happens.

Speaker 1 No injuries. The real story behind this is actually my favorite story of the entire NFL season, the comeback of Joe Flacco.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco being back to the point where he's being rested as a star in the last game of the season. Who would have thought? It's amazing.

Speaker 1 And I heard our good friend Mark Titus was saying that the debate of Joe Flacco versus DeMar Hamlin for comeback player of the year really comes down to what's more impressive, coming back from the dead or taking the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I actually think it's a little bit different. I would say that...
Coming back from playing for the New York Jets is more impressive than coming back from the dead.

Speaker 1 And then taking the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs. Yeah, he's basically the next Jesus.
Yeah, it's insane what he's done.

Speaker 1 And I feel like the nation should be rooting for the Browns. Agreed.
America's team. The Browns or the Lions.

Speaker 1 Michigan. We're already tied up with Michigan being America's team.
No, the Browns and the Lions, if you're just going off

Speaker 1 vibes off what you would like to see happen. Yep.
If you're rooting for the underdog, those are your two teams that you're rooting for.

Speaker 1 They're the two teams that if you don't even bet on them, like as a sports fan, I'm just like, yeah, it would be nice. Let them have something.
Right. Yeah.
Right. Right.
Like, no, no money involved.

Speaker 1 Just like, that'd be cool. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So Browns and Bengals means nothing.

Speaker 1 I'll push the Jets Patriots to mean something. Broncos at Raiders also means nothing as long as we assume that Antonio Pierce has been hired full-time.

Speaker 1 Again, they should just remove that title, make him head coach for life, or at least just remove the interim tag before the game and get a nice little boost.

Speaker 1 I also think that the Raiders should remind people on Black Monday, we fired Josh McDaniels this year. Yes.
You want to get that, you want to rebump that, rebump the stream when it comes to that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Schefter should retweet himself. Yes, remember, this guy did get fired this year.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, this game really doesn't mean anything except you've got already a lot of the players of the Raiders coming out saying, like, keep AP, keep AP, keep AP.

Speaker 1 It didn't work last time, but I think it's going to work this time.

Speaker 1 I also think that the Raiders, I will probably, even though this game means nothing, bet on the Raiders simply in an old algorithm that I have,

Speaker 1 team that likes their head coach or interim head coach versus team that hates their head coach. Do you think they hate them? In week 18.
Yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think there's some guys that don't like him.

Speaker 1 He threw the whole offense under the bus. Yeah, probably a couple guys on the team don't like him that much, but also a couple guys on the team probably didn't like Russ Wilson that much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but doesn't it feel like the Broncos are probably going to do a pretty big changeover? Sean Payton's got to get his guys in. Yes, all his guys.
He's got to get his guys in.

Speaker 1 So in the last game that doesn't mean anything, Chiefs at Chargers means nothing.

Speaker 1 Chiefs are going to be resting. Starters, Chiefs are going to hopefully become the dangerous team that everyone's been waiting for them to become.

Speaker 1 And the Chargers, they also need to remind everyone they fired Brandon Staley. Yes, they need to rebump that as well.
I feel like the Chiefs are running like two separate practices this week.

Speaker 1 This week's team and then the real team that they're going to be playing with in the playoffs. Yes.
I did see a story come out the other day, though.

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey will not be attending the Golden Globe Awards. Oh.
I think it was the Golden Globes. Has he got to work? He has to work because it's on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 Taylor Swift was going to be there. You have to wonder, Trouble in Paradise.
Not there to support Boo. I personally would go to Taylor Swift's awards ceremony.

Speaker 1 How many games has Taylor Swift's gone to this year? Like 10? All of them? Yeah. And he can't go to one little award show? It seems toxic.

Speaker 1 Are the Chiefs a better team if Travis Kelsey goes to the award show instead of play? It might be. Taylor deserves better.
That's all I'm saying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so let's get to the games that matter. And we'll go through these games in chronological order.
So we're starting with the Steelers and the Ravens on Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 1 The Steelers need to win and also have a Bills loss or a Jaguars loss to get in. The Ravens have the one seed wrapped up.
We get to do the Russ vs. Russ debate.

Speaker 1 It does feel like the Ravens are going to sit some of their key starters, which I think they should do. Yes.

Speaker 1 But I am of the belief that Tyler Huntley and this, the way this game goes, that the Ravens are very live in this game.

Speaker 1 I think they're live in this game because the Ravens are the best team in the NFL at playing games like this. Yeah.
Like, Harbaugh prepares them to do this in the preseason. Preseason, yep.

Speaker 1 So they don't lose in the preseason. Harbaugh takes it seriously.
It doesn't matter if his second stringers are in, third stringers are in. They're trying to win those games.

Speaker 1 So it feels like the backup players on the Ravens are going to be more ready to go ahead and execute

Speaker 1 than any other team. And there's just simple math.
You can't sit everyone. Yeah.
Like, you can't sit everyone. You need to have some guys out there.
So you'll sit Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 I would assume Odell will sit. I'm assuming

Speaker 1 Roquan will probably sit. Probably Humphrey.
Likely. Yeah, there's probably some defensive guys they've got to sit just because, you know, the Ravens have had some bad luck from time to time.

Speaker 1 But I, as good as the Steelers have been playing with Mason Rudolph, when you're getting three and a half points in the Steelers versus Ravens, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Just tell me who has the plus sign next to them. Throughout the record books.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 I think this also happened in, I think the year the Ravens got the one seed, they played the Steelers week 18 with nothing to play for. And I think RG3 beat them.
Yeah. Yeah, I remember that game.

Speaker 1 So that shows you that

Speaker 1 I would not think the Ravens are going to be just a pushover on Saturday afternoon. I don't think they are at all.
I don't think any team's really a pushover for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 They have to kind of fight everything out. That's true.

Speaker 1 Weird ref crew alert.

Speaker 1 It's the same refs as in the Cowboys-Lions game. We thought they'd be done for the season.
They're back in maybe one of the most important games. Why would they put them on this game?

Speaker 1 Why would they put them in a standalone game? It's so stupid.

Speaker 1 You got to bury that ref crew when there's like six other games kicking off. Yeah, there's nothing going on on Saturday afternoon.
Everyone's going to watch this game.

Speaker 1 We're going to be focused on this, and hopefully, nothing weird happens, but it's these guys.

Speaker 1 These guys. It's these guys.
All you got to do is say these guys. These guys are going to be our TV.
TJ Watt also going for the SAC lead in the NFL. He's at 17 right now, which puts him at number one.

Speaker 1 This would make him a three-time NFL SAC champion, which I don't think has been done before. Also, TJ Watt,

Speaker 1 we talk about the baby bump. Is there a Jersey Jerry bump? I think there could be.
Because our guy, Jersey Jerry, if you didn't tune in, spent 37 hours trying to hit a hole in one.

Speaker 1 He finally did it on the 37th hour. He was, what, 26,000, 2,600 strokes to get a hole in one on the simulator.
And in classic Jerry fashion, we've had Jerry on the show a couple times.

Speaker 1 Most of our audience knows him. He used his

Speaker 1 speech because we're like, we need a speech. There was 100,000 people watching on YouTube.
And his speech was basically, I think this has earned me a dinner with TJ Watt.

Speaker 1 Please go to dinner with me, TJ Watt. Yeah, yeah.
And so Jerry, I think Jerry will show TJ the same respect that TJ showed Jerry by watching the stream. Yeah.
Jerry will be watching this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like TJ will TJ is going to be like, what would Jerry do? Yeah. When he's trying to get this sack record.
Yep. I don't see it any other way.

Speaker 1 This is going to be bully mode for TJ Watt for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so this is actually, I'm looking forward to this game. I always look forward to the Steelers-Ravens game.
This time it kind of means something.

Speaker 1 I want the Steelers to win because I'd like to see the Steelers in the playoffs. Yeah.
Reach that point.

Speaker 1 Earlier this year, I was saying if there's one team I do not want to see, not in the terms of like, you don't want to run into this team in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I did not want to see the Steelers in the playoffs. Now I kind of do.
Now it's the Jaguars. I don't want to see the Jaguars in the playoffs.
I want the Steelers to win. I want

Speaker 1 the Texans Colt winner who would get in and the Bills to win. And then you get the Jaguars out of the playoffs.
Yes, that's what I would do. That would be a great setup.
Ideally.

Speaker 1 And I'm sorry to Jags fans, but like, it's tough. It's a tough watch.
Yeah. It's a tough watch.
They know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Nerd nugget from you, Jake.

Speaker 3 The Steelers are 13-3 in regular season finales since 2007 when Mike Tomlin took the reins as head coach of Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 They're 13 victories in regular season finales under Tomlin, the most in the NFL since 2007.

Speaker 1 Okay, that is interesting. He has already gotten his ninth win.
Yeah, I have my bird nugget of the week. It's actually for this game, for the Ravens.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Did you know that a group of Ravens is called a murder? Oh, I did know that, actually. In a tribute to Ray Lewis.
Yes. I did know that.
Also Crows.

Speaker 1 Also, I don't know if this is a good bit or not, but maybe my Fire Fest of the Week ahead of time.

Speaker 1 I downloaded an AI voice and video simulator, and I've just been using it all afternoon, doing celebrities, just like typing stuff to keep myself myself entertained.

Speaker 1 I have, actually, we have a special guest, Donald Trump, who has a prediction for this game, if you'd like to hear it. Okay.
Okay, let's just see what Donald Trump has to say.

Speaker 4 You know, Lamar is really one of the top guys, very fast with those feet of his.

Speaker 4 He is also a great supporter of our tremendous movement. I'll never forget when he tweeted Truz Trump.
But I like Pittsburgh this weekend, guys.

Speaker 4 I know firsthand how hard it is to stop the steal on January 6th.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's Trump's pretty good. He's on the Steelers this weekend.
That's pretty good AI. That's pretty good.
That's pretty good. Yeah.
That's pretty good AI. We're fucked.

Speaker 1 As a society, we're fucked. Oh, yeah.
Although, Jerry just beat the machine. That's true.
Yeah. Jerry might be the guy we need at the front of the army.
I'll take down a machine. He's John Henry.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Someone tried doing boomers of you guys a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it didn't sound that close, though.

Speaker 1 They're trying. They're trying.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next game. Next game.
We have the Texans and the Colts, a playoff game. It is a playoff game.
So these teams, whoever wins this game, will be in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I will be happy with either result because I think both teams have had great seasons in different ways. The Colts were supposed to do nothing.

Speaker 1 They get, you know, Anthony Richardson hurt. Shane Steichen keeps him alive.
They're now playing a home playoff game to get into the playoffs. And then C.J.

Speaker 1 Stroud has been one of the stories of this year and how incredible he's been as a rookie. So, like, both these teams have their own wrinkles and stories that I'd be like, you know what?

Speaker 1 That's awesome that they made the playoffs. I'm going to go ahead and say it.
Whichever team loses this game, they have nothing to hang their head over. Nope.
Nothing to hang your head over.

Speaker 1 You have something to build on. You get something to build on big time.

Speaker 1 If you get into the playoffs, then you have something maybe even a little bit bigger to build on because you've got that one year of playoff experience under the new regime. Yes.

Speaker 1 But yeah, both these teams, congratulations. I think both these teams should be congratulated for their performance in the AFC South this year.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I lean Texans just because it comes down to who do I trust more, C.J. Stroud or Garter Minshew.
And no offense to Garter Minshew, but I'm going to say my answer is C.J. Stroud.

Speaker 1 But, I mean, it's basically a pick'em. Yeah.
I don't, like, who knows? I'm going to take the over and hope for the best. That's strategy.
Because the Colts' offense is actually pretty good this year.

Speaker 1 I think they're top 10. Well, and Shane Steichen, part of his thing is that he is not afraid to take shots.
And especially if they get down a little bit, he's going to push the ball.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the Colts' overs have been good this year. They've been really good this year.
Yeah, I'm rooting for Shane Steichen. I would like to see him go farther than the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 Oh, that would be fun. I'm also rooting for Will Anderson to get a couple sacks and become the defensive rookie of the year.
Okay. Because he should be.
For any particular reason?

Speaker 1 No, I just think Will Anderson's been the defensive rookie of the year. If I had a vote.
Over Kalija Cancey? Oh, fuck. I've heard Kalija Kancy.
Yeah, they're both pretty good.

Speaker 1 They split. They'll split.
Who do you have? Kalija. Okay.
I got her name. With a C.
So we have. So who do you have? I have Kalija Cancey as mine.
All right. I have Will Anderson.
Jake.

Speaker 1 Who do you have Will Anderson or Kaijan?

Speaker 3 Kalija with a K. Cancey with a C.

Speaker 1 No, that's what I meant. Yeah.
Cansey with a K. Who do you have? Will Anderson or Kalija Cancey? Will Anderson.
Okay. Memes.
You got to break the tie. You got to break the tie, memes.

Speaker 1 I'll go Will Anderson. Okay, so Will Anderson is one.
The pardon my take. Defensive Rook of the Year.
We got everyone's vote. Damn it.

Speaker 1 No. What?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Jalen Carter. Oh.
Would you celebrate that, Max?

Speaker 5 I would. Celebrate is not the right word.

Speaker 5 I don't celebrate anything less than Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? You wouldn't drink champagne or anything before a Super Bowl?

Speaker 5 That's your definition of celebration, not mine. That was just a beverage.

Speaker 1 He was just thirsty. Okay, Jake, what is your nerd nugget for this game?

Speaker 3 Last week, Texans wide receiver Robert Woods became the 12th active player in the NFL to reach 8,000 receiving yards.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Bobby Woods.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I feel like that's an underrated. Wait, what was it?

Speaker 3 12th active receiver to reach 8,000 receiving yards.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Mike Evans. Yep.
Antonio Brown.

Speaker 1 Sorry, not Antonio Brown. O.B.J.
A.J. Brown.

Speaker 3 Odell is not on there.

Speaker 1 A.J. Brown?

Speaker 3 A.J. Brown's not on there.

Speaker 1 Oh, Odell's not on there? Cooper Cup?

Speaker 1 I said first.

Speaker 3 Cooper Cup's not on there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 This

Speaker 1 sucks.

Speaker 1 This list sucks. Puka Nakua.
No.

Speaker 1 He's probably going to get the rookie receiving yard.

Speaker 1 Let's see. DJ Barik.
Tyree Killer. Tyree Kill is on there.
He's definitely on there. Oh, the old guys.
DeAndre and Julio Jones. Both, yes.
Devontae Adams. Yes.

Speaker 1 This list sucks. Dealing.
No. Oh.
Good guess. Oh, Terry McLaurin.
Wide receivers or tight ends as well?

Speaker 3 One more tight end. Travis Kelsey.
Two more tight ends. Yes.

Speaker 1 One more tight end now. Mercedes-Lewis.
No. Eric Ebron.
No.

Speaker 1 Mo Alley Cox. One more tight end.
Darren Waller. No.
George Kipps.

Speaker 3 This tight end doesn't really play as much of a factor anymore, but he's still active.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah. Yeah.
Okay. All right.
Yeah, that list.

Speaker 3 Stephon Diggs, Amari Cooper, Brandon Cooks, Keenan Allen.

Speaker 1 You remember Stefan Diggs? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was good. Yeah, really good.
He was really good. His heyday earlier this year.
Yeah, until like six weeks ago.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We talked about Browns, Bengals, Vikings, Lions.

Speaker 1 This game doesn't really mean anything if the Cowboys and Eagles both win as heavy favorites.

Speaker 1 Lions feel like they're in the three seed. Also, the Cowboys and Eagles are playing later, so I guess the Lions have to try to they don't really.
Are they locked in? I think that they have to try.

Speaker 1 They would want to try to win but they're three and a half point underdogs at home so that makes me think they're not going to try to win

Speaker 1 let me see if they're locked in see what i'm saying lions playoff well i guess they wouldn't be if the cowboys won because it'd be head-to-head right

Speaker 1 yeah i think that's

Speaker 1 the lions aren't dogs i thought they were dogs oh they're going back to nick oh their favorites all right so yeah all right so that makes sense they are trying to win yeah yeah see i also think i also think dan campbell can't he wouldn't know how to try to lose.

Speaker 1 I don't think he could tank. He's incapable of it.
So he's 5-0 against the spread against the Vikings. Something to keep in the back of your head.

Speaker 1 And I don't think he's going to tank this one. Nope.
They do.

Speaker 1 They are playing for the opportunity to maybe jump the Cowboys if the Cowboys lose to the Commanders, which is probably not going to happen.

Speaker 3 Lions two seed with a win. Dallas and Philly lost.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So they need both of those.
They need both those things to happen. So probably, I don't think that they're going to tank.

Speaker 1 I think Dan Campbell will give a speech to his guys, and he'll say, we have not earned the right to take our foot off the gas. Yeah, I agree.
And men,

Speaker 1 like, also, this is a bad taste game. You got to get the bad taste out of your mouth.
Yep. Last Saturday did not go well.
The ending sucked.

Speaker 1 I think the Lions are going to come out and be like, we've got to get ourselves ready for the playoffs. We've got to put some good tape out there.

Speaker 1 Maybe if they get a big lead, they might pull some guys. But yeah, I think they're going to try to win this game.
And Kevin O'Connell deserves a lot of credit because he's a very good coach.

Speaker 1 I will never understand going with Jaron Hall in that game on Sunday night. No, he's trying to find the hot hand.
That's what he's been trying to do.

Speaker 1 He's trying to time it out to go like Jaron Hall had a good week of practice, so I think he'll be better on Sunday.

Speaker 1 In this case, he's going back to Nick Mullins again. I guess Nick Mullins had a good week of practice.
Well, Nick Mullins is a competent quarterback. Yeah.
Ish.

Speaker 1 You have to see what Jaron Hall has, I guess, at some point.

Speaker 1 I would have gone with Josh. I would have stuck with Dobbs.
Just be like, fuck it. Let's go.
Let's just keep going. Yeah.
All right. Nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 3 Lions tight end Sam Laporta is just one of four rookies in NFL history to produce this season with at least 80 catches, 800 receiving yards, and nine receiving touchdowns.

Speaker 1 It is pretty crazy that the Lions traded TJ Hawkinson last year and then they just got a really good tight end. They got like a younger, better version of TJ

Speaker 1 from the same school. Yes, exactly.
Yeah. They just went back.

Speaker 1 Okay, Jaguars or Titans.

Speaker 1 I think this is Titans, maybe outright. So

Speaker 1 last week, Mike Vrabel had a great quote. I fucking can't stand losing.
No, so the reporter asked, how do you feel about losing? And he said, it fucking sucks. Yeah, losing fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 And then he gave a whole answer, and then he's like, you got anything else? Yeah, the reporter

Speaker 1 belittled them. It's a good answer from Vrabes.
I think that this is the Titans, too. I don't believe in the Jaguars.
It's just

Speaker 1 Mike Frabel. in a week eight team where nothing matters for his team against the Jacksonville Jaguars who are battered and beaten and have not looked good.

Speaker 1 And yeah, they beat the Panthers and their defense looked good.

Speaker 1 But just, we've seen this.

Speaker 1 What was Carson Wentz and the Colts? They were, oh, no, that was the reverse. The Jaguars beat the Colts.
The Jaguars beat the Colts.

Speaker 1 But it just, something weird always happens in the AFC South in these late season games. And this is Vraibel's Super Bowl this year.
Also, revenge. Yep.
Remember? Yep.

Speaker 1 The Titans lost the Jaguars in week 18 last year to get in the playoffs. Yep.
So little revenge. That was Josh Dopps.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Saturday night game. I actually do think that Vrabel is going to have the team ready to play.
Do we know, is it going to be Will Levis or is it going to be Tannehill? Hmm. I don't know.

Speaker 1 It doesn't really factor into my equation. I think it's Tannehill.
My equation is just Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 1 It's a one-item equation. So we get,

Speaker 1 oh, Will Levis. I'm watching right now.
He's dancing at practice.

Speaker 3 I think it's Will Levis. Nothing confirmed, but Levis is starving.

Speaker 1 He's got someone, Nick Suss online, got Will Levis feet picks. So it's just a zoomed-in picture of his feet.
He's got ankle wraps. I love that.
Nick Suss. Nick Suss got those Will Levis feet picks.

Speaker 1 Great account.

Speaker 1 He moved. Wait, here it is.
Will Levis moved okay, not as well as last week. Worked third when all three were together, and second when they reduced to only two getting work.

Speaker 1 So that kind of means it might be Tannell. And is Trevor Lawrence playing? He said that his shoulder feels better every day.

Speaker 1 So that's good, trending in the right direction. That's officially trending in the right direction.
don't... Again, it doesn't factor into my equation.

Speaker 1 My equation is Mike Vrabel plus zero equals Mike Vrabel. Right.
And so that's telling me to bet the Titans. He's going to get the boys fired up one way or the other.

Speaker 1 Okay, nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 3 Jaguars running back, Travis Etienne, has 11 rushing touchdowns this season, becoming the first Jaguar since 2009 to record at least 10 rushing touchdowns in a season. Last was MJD in 2009.

Speaker 3 They haven't had a good running back

Speaker 1 in a while. Yeah.
They used to have good ones, so they had Fred Taylor.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. MJG.

Speaker 1 He got fat. He got, yeah, he was always like a little squatty body.

Speaker 3 Good NFL Network personality, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he got fat. Yeah, he got a little chunky.
You remember when he knocked out Sean Merriman? Yeah. That was great.
He was a good block. He was awesome.
So much fun to watch. Short King.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Jets Patriots. Henry.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 You want to lose this game? We do. I don't think Bill Belichick will lose this game.

Speaker 1 Neither do I, but there are reports coming out that there's a lot of turmoil in the coaching staff locker room now that it seems like things might be over.

Speaker 1 There might be some, you know, airing of grievances, throwing people under the bus. Who do tell?

Speaker 1 I just read a report that someone said the staff was super dysfunctional. Oh, yeah.
And an anonymous source. Have we not read Hank this direct report for the last like 10 weeks? He's now believing it.

Speaker 1 And Hank's been saying it's fan fiction. Well, now I'm trying to convince myself that we can lose this game.
Got it. Got it.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 I've been saying for the last three weeks, Bill Belichick will not lose to the Jets. I feel like Bill Belichick, if he does get fired, they need to make that its own day.
He can't go out with like...

Speaker 1 He can't go out on Black Monday. He can't go out on the Black Monday.

Speaker 1 We can't scroll Black Monday and be like, Dennis Allen fired, Nick Siriani fired, Bill Belichick fired.

Speaker 1 He needs his own day. Well, he should be traded at the Super Bowl.
That'd be funny if they fired Nick Siriani before the playoff game. Yeah, that'd be good.
I just realized that.

Speaker 1 I wonder if that's possible. Yeah.
I have a guest picker here for

Speaker 1 this game, too, if that's okay. Yeah.
All right, let's let's see what he has to say.

Speaker 1 Hang on.

Speaker 4 We don't win anymore in Washington, and it's quite sad. We are looking very strongly at bringing in Bill Belichick, a true patriot and great winner.

Speaker 4 He is a friend of mine, and the New York Jets have been very nasty to him.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I think he likes Belichick.

Speaker 1 He said that the New York Jets have been very nasty to him. What was the pick? You sound like a lib, Hank.
No, you said just a picker and you didn't. He didn't make a pick.

Speaker 1 You're nitpicking everything that President Trump says. He said he had a pick.
He didn't have a pick. Okay.
Well, I think he likes the Patriots this weekend. He did not have a pick.
He did not.

Speaker 1 But the New York Jets, in fact, have been very nasty to Bill Belichick, and he's been very nasty back. 15 in a row, though.
Water always finds its level. Means.

Speaker 1 Like the Jetson is more due than the New York Jets versus the Patriots.

Speaker 1 Do you want to win this game?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Really? No, not. But even to

Speaker 1 get the 15 in a row done?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so right now I'm saying no, but if they do win, I'll be like, yeah, they did it.

Speaker 1 And then Patriots will draft a quarterback that plays there for 15 more years and absolutely tortures the fan base. This actually might be the Izzy game.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Izzy might get a full workload. Oh, he might.
Yeah, Dalvin Cook's out. Yeah.
Oh, easy touchdown. Is he out or did Dalvin Cook get cut?

Speaker 1 Wait, is he out?

Speaker 3 It's like cell phone part two.

Speaker 1 Is he in?

Speaker 1 So is he in? Is he in?

Speaker 1 Is he in? Is he in? Wait, Dalvin Cook's playing or I don't know. That's what I'm asking you.
Dalvin Cook out. But is he out?

Speaker 5 Is he in, Dalvin Cook out?

Speaker 1 I don't know if he's in. That's what we're asking you.
Got it.

Speaker 1 No, he's out.

Speaker 1 Is he in? He's out? Is he in? I don't know if he's in. Dalvin out, is he in? This is a great bit.

Speaker 1 Okay, so is he in? Dalvin Cook also playing?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, no.
Dalvin Cook out. Is he in? Dalvin Cook is being given the opportunity to sign with a contender.

Speaker 1 Wait, seriously? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh. So that's why they let him go, was to give him the opportunity to get on a playoff roster.
Who's cut? He's not out. He's cut.
I believe he's cut. Is he officially...
Is he released?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's released. He's been released.
Got it. Okay, so

Speaker 1 that's why it's the Izzy game, yeah. Got it.
Got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Dalvin. Contender.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 What can change? Tell him like the Chargers are still in it. You know what I I would do? If I'm the Ravens, I would sign them just in case.
Yeah, that might not be terrible. Just in case.

Speaker 1 Just in case. Okay, nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 3 Reminder first for Big Cat to bet Patriots and the under.

Speaker 1 Forbid?

Speaker 1 For Big Cat. Yeah.
What did you say?

Speaker 3 Reminder for Big Cat. Okay.
Maybe I misspoke, but the last time I played.

Speaker 1 I thought it was forbid Cat. Okay.

Speaker 3 That's the last time they played. You told me to remind you.

Speaker 1 Under and the Patriots, yeah. Yeah.
I might not.

Speaker 1 The Under's gross. I'm not going to bet the Under, but I will bet the Patriots.

Speaker 3 Patriots running back Ezekiel Elliott enters the final week of the season, second on the team in receptions. Only one catch behind leader Demario Douglas.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a competent offense. Never get to see.

Speaker 3 If he out-catches Douglas, it'll make the second straight season that a running back leads the Patriots in receptions and the tenth time in team history.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when your running back leads the team in receptions, that's like if your safety leads the team in tackles. Is there a team out there that has that occurring right now, Max?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 It's just not a good sign. No, it's not a great sign.
Matt Forte, I think, led the Bears in receptions for a few years. But yeah.
Unless that person's LaShawn McCoy. Or LaDanian Tomlinson.

Speaker 1 Or, yeah, Brian Westbrook. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next game. Down the list.
Falcons and Saints. If the Bucs lose, this becomes the battle for the NFC South.
Kind of fun. Kind of fun.

Speaker 1 I think the Saints. I love the Saints this weekend.
Yeah, I mean the Falcons can't play on the road. Personally, that's what I was going to say.
The Falcons really can't play on the road at all.

Speaker 1 Arthur Smith, though. Saints are building on something.
Really building. I think, what are they, three and one in their last four right now?

Speaker 1 So the Saints, in the last quarter of the season, the Saints have been trending towards being not just a playoff team, but a good playoff team. Probably the one seed.
They would be.

Speaker 1 So I'm riding with Carr, man. Arthur Smith, our division rival, wants to spoil the season for the Saints.
Well, no, he's trying to get in the playoffs. He's trying to get in the playoffs himself.

Speaker 1 He's trying to spoil the season. They're equal, right? And get into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 If they win this game and the Bucs lose,

Speaker 1 they win the NFC South. They host a playoff game.
That's huge. And spoil.
And spoil simultaneously. I personally love the Saints this weekend.
I love the Falcons. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I kind of want the Saints to make the playoffs just because then maybe Jameis would get in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Saints making the playoffs and Derek Carr getting like a

Speaker 1 high ankle spray-in. That would be the ideal situation.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And also just so Stephen Shea was like, I would love to laugh in his face if they lost to the Panthers.
Yeah, it'd be nice. Yeah.
All right, nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 3 Shout out to today's guest, Saints defensive end Cameron Jordan's 116 and a half sacks since 2012, leads the NFL over that span. Von Miller and Chandler Jones right behind him with 112 achievements.

Speaker 1 Future Hall of Famer. There you go.
We're going to get to it.

Speaker 1 So the behind-the-scenes dialogue that Hank and I were doing right there is that this game means a lot for who gets the second overall pick.

Speaker 1 Because if both the Patriots lose and the Commanders lose,

Speaker 1 this is the most important game. This is like worth two games.
If the Saints win, it's good for you. If the Saints win, then the Commanders would probably get the second overall pick.
Got it.

Speaker 1 And if the Falcons win, Patriots. Yeah.
So it's to see who has to give their entire future assets to me. Yes.
I love it. For the right to keep it.

Speaker 1 I love it. But it's also.
The loser of this will have to just hand me all the picks. Hank, I'll just say that a top three pick in this draft is pretty good.

Speaker 1 There's three, maybe even four. And you can get to to one.
It will cost you everything, but you can get to one.

Speaker 1 Gimme, gimme, gimme. I have no idea who our new jam's going to be.
Ooh, this is actually tough for me because I got to figure out who's more likely to suck next year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you not worried about Caleb Williams?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 You got to wait for the

Speaker 1 suck more. Are you not worried about Caleb Williams becoming Patrick Mahomes 2.0? Listen, I know you're on your hate me little.

Speaker 1 You started 2024, just being like, I'm just going to fucking propaganda, get big cat, just fucking stick it to him. No, I'm not worried.
I got to figure out who's going to suck more.

Speaker 1 We might be doing the process in D.C. I think it might be Washington, but.
Just look at the history. Yeah, but if Belichick's gone, your history's gone.
Yeah, and then we might get your history.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. You ever think about that?

Speaker 1 Belichick breaking the all-time wins record on my sideline. It will be very dependent on who you guys coach.
Yeah, hey. Who you guys hire.
We're going to throw him a parade. We're going to treat him.

Speaker 1 Bill, we would treat you so good in D.C.

Speaker 1 You would be a king to us.

Speaker 1 You go coach Navy football and lacrosse during the week, Bill. Man, Bill, you would be my main bitch.
Okay, so I think this is what I'm rooting for. I'm rooting for the Saints to win.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You get the second pick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are. Hank gets the third pick.

Speaker 1 Hank then gives me all the future picks. And then picks number one.

Speaker 1 Takes Caleb Williams. You take Drake May.
And you have Bill Belichick. And Drake May May turns out to be the better of the two.
I like that. That'd be good.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 And then. Oh, boy.
And then Big Cat. And they both become Hall of Famers.
And then Big Cat gets a lot of family. No, no, no, that's really hard to get.

Speaker 1 When's the last time the number one and number two pick became Hall of Famers at a quarterback position?

Speaker 1 Never. And then Big Cat drops Patrick

Speaker 1 even further in the draft, and then you get Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 they're both better than Caleb Williams, who spends all his time taking pictures of his outfits. He's sitting in Skyrise Apartments.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you think about that? And then the Jets get Michael Pennix, and he's awesome. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I like this. This is fun.
This is a great future.

Speaker 1 What are you looking for, Hank? He's looking for number one and number two?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 half the quarterbacks in every first round suck. They stink.
Yeah, zero. The answer is zero.
Never have been zero. So there's always.
There's a 50% chance that one of those guys is going to stink.

Speaker 1 There's always a winner and a loser. Yeah.
And sometimes both losers. And I'll be

Speaker 1 losing. There could easily be two losers.

Speaker 1 Given our team's history in terms of drafting long-term solutions at the quarterback position,

Speaker 1 giving us a high pick does not necessarily mean we're going to take a better player. Correct.

Speaker 1 But if the choice is out of your hands,

Speaker 1 then at least you can say, well, we had no choice. Exactly.
Which is actually a great choice. It is.
To have the choice.

Speaker 1 To be forced. Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Bucks Panthers.
We've got sidetracked there. Bucks Panthers.
I think the Panthers are alive in this game. I like all the shitty teams this week.
I just want to say it right now.

Speaker 1 I'm probably going to be betting the worst teams possible. Is David Tepper going to be suspended from attending this game? That's what I want to know.
$300,000 is a joke.

Speaker 1 He gets that. He makes that in like an hour in interest.
It's in his cat, like the cushions of his couch. Yeah.
Have $300,000.

Speaker 1 No, he probably has a ticker in his office that's like, you want to see how much I'm making just with my money sitting in all these stocks? Look, $300,000 every second.

Speaker 1 The drink that he threw probably was worth about $300,000.

Speaker 3 Yeah. According to Foreign Office Sports Today, it's the equivalent of finding the average American $1.75.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's worth it for a drink throw. Like a cup of coffee.
Yeah. That's worth it for a drink throw.

Speaker 1 Coffee's. I've noticed.
People are going to get mad at you. I say you're out of touch.

Speaker 1 It's a gallon of milk. What could it cost? $10?

Speaker 1 Listen. $1.75 is what? It's a fucking month's rent.
No,

Speaker 1 I drink Stella Blue Coffee. That's true, that's a fact.
And I get it

Speaker 1 in the coffee grinds. Yes.
And so, therefore, you save money when you make it. And we get it at the office.
And we get it at the office. At the office.
Yeah. So it's $1.75 for it.
You know,

Speaker 1 there are people who police us because we've got a little change in our pockets. They're like, these guys are so out of touch.
Yeah. Well, whatever.
Remember when we did the Brock Purdy?

Speaker 1 And we're like,

Speaker 1 that's not a lot of money. Yes, it is a lot of money, $800,000.
We're saying it's not a lot of money to be the leader of the MVP. And not in the San Francisco area.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 Like, there are people that are people that make $800,000 in San Francisco that drive Ubers all the weekend. That step in human shit every day.
Yeah. We've seen the videos on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Ian Michael Chung or whatever. I'm just upset.
I'm just upset that we have to. That one guy doesn't live in America who just bashes America.
Yeah, the guy that people eat it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he lives in the Philippines. He just is in my algorithm all the time.
It's like, America's dying. It's like, wait, dude, you don't live here.
America's still pretty good. We fucking rock.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got the NFL, bitch. Yeah, every Sunday, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 what were we talking about? We're talking about the Panthers. Oh, yeah.
David Tepper.

Speaker 1 Is David Tepper suspended for a game? I like the idea of suspending an owner from attending a game. That sounds fun to me.
But that would actually, no,

Speaker 1 he should have to attend this game. Watching the Panthers is a punishment in and of itself.
Yeah, his actual punishment should be he has to sit down and watch the entire season back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be. Watch more Panthers.
Yeah. Watch more Panthers.
So

Speaker 1 I actually like the Bucks this weekend. I like them a lot.
I don't think that the Panthers don't have anything to play for. That's why they're dangerous.
At all.

Speaker 1 I just love the idea of. Because it doesn't feel like every week 18 we have like one or two of these games that are just like, where the fuck did this come from?

Speaker 1 It's a team that needs to win and a team that doesn't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 What did Tommy give us that stat on advisors? It's like a team that needs to win versus a team that doesn't have anything to play for. The team that needs to win is like 38% against the spread.

Speaker 1 So it just,

Speaker 1 it happens. Might not be this game, but I'm going to say right now, I'm going to load up on the worst teams this week.
I think this is going to be a Kalija Cancey coming out party. Okay.

Speaker 1 Maybe get that extra vote, that swing vote. Yep.
Teams, open your eyes. Yep.
Okay, nerd nugget.

Speaker 3 Buccaneers quarterback Baker Mayfield needs two passing touchdowns to join Tom Brady as the only players with 30-plus passing touchdowns in their first season with Tampa Bay and just the the third player to do it overall for the team.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Sneaky good season. Tom Brady and Baker Mayfield have very similar numbers the last two years.
Interesting. Yeah, well, like last year's Tom Brady versus this year's Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 Okay, so not like Tom Brady last year combined. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Last year's Tom Brady and this year's Baker Mayfield is very similar.
Because I have very similar numbers to this year's Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 And they're also very similar teams. Yeah.
Like scratching and clawing, not good. Oh, maybe they're good.
Gonna maybe get a home playoff game and we're all gonna buy into it.

Speaker 1 And then, well, who would they play?

Speaker 1 They'd probably play a really good team that just

Speaker 1 the best wildcard team. They would.
And if you look at the NFC, the good wildcard teams have way better records than the Bucs would have. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They would probably be going up against a pretty good defense. Yep.
You'd think so.

Speaker 1 Who would they play? Does anyone have the

Speaker 1 playoff picture of every favorite one?

Speaker 1 Who would the Bucs play in the first round? They would play against the Eagles. Oh.

Speaker 1 At home. And we said they were really good? That would be, it would be heartbreaking for the Eagles to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
Yeah, I really need them to win that game. Same.

Speaker 1 We need Max to get his. He needs to get back up.
I know. He's on his feet.
I'll get to it. Okay, we'll get to it.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game. My Super Bowl.
I might actually get a banner made just in case. Bears, Packers.

Speaker 1 I would like to address one thing:

Speaker 1 Henry Lockwood's propaganda machine.

Speaker 1 The clip came out. It was a good clip made by Hank's team.

Speaker 1 Team.

Speaker 1 There's one part of the clip, though, that I have a very big problem with. I describe the clip for that.
It was the roller coaster of the Bears season.

Speaker 1 They started and they sucked, and then they got better, and I was like, they're better. And then someone threw in the week 15 where I was like, it's over.

Speaker 1 The context on that clip is no one in this room realized they needed to beat the Browns to stay alive in the playoffs. So you guys were all goading me being like, no, they could still make it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, no, it's over. They needed to beat the Browns, which I was correct about.
So I wasn't saying the Bears sucked. I was saying it's over.
They're not going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 You also were battling a lost voice, so it sounded like you were on the verge of.

Speaker 1 Yes. So that was a fucked up clip.
It was your guys' fault for not realizing the playoff picture. I was just speaking facts.
I was trying to believe. But that clip actually confirmed what I said.

Speaker 1 They started. They sucked.
They got better. I said they got better.
And

Speaker 1 the people who were like, if you're flip-flopping, that's what fandom is, baby. I'm calling it like I see it.
I wasn't saying that you guys are like totally totally.

Speaker 1 I'm saying that looking forward to week 18, you have the opportunity to knock the Packers out of the playoffs. No,

Speaker 1 no, in that clip,

Speaker 1 you were saying they're still alive. They could play for a playoff spot in week 18.
And I was saying, no, they had to beat the Browns to have that possible.

Speaker 1 I also think there were some other things that could have happened along the way to make the Bears still mathematically alive. Because it would have been a miracle.

Speaker 1 Because the Bears weren't eliminated until last week. I understand.
But they needed to beat the Browns. They needed to beat the Browns to be alive.

Speaker 1 And everything that I said turned out to be exactly true. But since they were

Speaker 5 the Rams Giants game,

Speaker 5 they were like a field goal away from that being the case.

Speaker 1 Then they would have needed like a tie and all this shit. No, they didn't.

Speaker 1 They needed a tie in Sunday Night Football because

Speaker 1 when they lost to the Browns, their playoff chances took a huge, huge dive. Yes.

Speaker 1 And no one was, everyone was like, oh, no, they could still do it. Well, they could.
I saw the future, and I was like, they have to beat the Browns. I said it all that week.

Speaker 1 Remember, I called it the gateway game? I said they beat the Browns, then I think they could beat the Falcons and Cardinals. Then we're playing for a playoff spot in week 18.

Speaker 1 So when we lost to the Browns, and you guys were like, oh, no, no. But you still kind of went through the gateway.

Speaker 1 You guys, no, because I knew that. You still believe in the team.
I believe in the team for next year.

Speaker 1 I hate you.

Speaker 1 I think that this weekend,

Speaker 1 if you beat the Packers, you're going to be so excited about this. I hate you.
You're going to bounce them out.

Speaker 1 This is something that you can build on next year.

Speaker 1 Also, everyone pointed out that a lot of Lions fans wanted Dan Campbell fired when they were one and six last year. And you're like, no, they all galvanized around him the whole season.

Speaker 1 At the end of the season. At the end of the season.
We're at the end of the season. I'm galvanizing around the Bears.
And Iberflus, he's our coach.

Speaker 1 I don't think it was the majority of Lions fans that wanted to figure out. There were some.
One in six. Remember they lost by like

Speaker 1 34, nothing

Speaker 1 that wanted them to be fired. But I think overall, the overall sentiment was like, this sucks.
He needs to figure out a way to turn it over. It was bad when they were one one and six.

Speaker 1 But I don't think they were all saying fire this game. It was bad when they were one and six.
They lost. What was the score of that Patriots game? That was the, I think they got shut out.

Speaker 1 Right, but at the end of the season, everyone was. And where are we right now? What am I saying? What is, yeah.

Speaker 1 You're like, he's our coach. I have nothing.
He's our coach. What do you have no choice? What more could you say about your coach than saying he's our coach? I would die for him.
It's a fact.

Speaker 1 He's our coach. I would die for him.
Do you have your vote of confidence? Yeah, full vote of confidence. He's our coach.

Speaker 1 Important note for this weekend, if you're listening to this, LaFleur, Jaden Reed is from Chicago, so he needs to be a fucking captain. Yeah.
All right, get your shit.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, you have no excuse this weekend.

Speaker 1 You might lose a coin flip. Or not defer.
You should defer. Incorrectly defer costs you a possession.
I'm very nervous for this game. I'm very excited for this game.

Speaker 1 Jordan Love has been playing great. There's nothing I can say about that.

Speaker 1 But playing spoiler would be incredible. An incredible.

Speaker 1 It would just be so, so good. It would be bookends, too, because we lost week one.
That was a big, big game that crushed me getting to week 18. All the momentum going into the next year.

Speaker 1 The fucking losers and slow brains like Hank would finally maybe wake up and be like, oh, maybe the Bears are building something. But he won't.
He won't.

Speaker 1 The Bears will have to get to the playoffs next year, which they will for Hank to fucking realize it. You call me a low brain.

Speaker 1 You mean to say slow? No, low and slow. You got low and slow.
You're low brain and you're slow brain. What you have is you have a low amount of brain and what you do have is slow.

Speaker 1 got it yeah

Speaker 1 i because i because i you know i haven't been i've been anti-high since january so i thought that's what you were trying to say oh no he's also doing dry january i was just saying you have low brain cells got it a low amount of brain cells and those that you have slow are you one for four in dry january two two for four what's today it's the fourth i'm so far i'm two for four just just one and a half that would put you in the baseball hall of fame just to update my uh new year's resolution i'm three for four on days having a blizzard nice And I'm also three for four on days having diarrhea.

Speaker 1 Studies are out. We'll see if those are correlated.
We don't know yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm excited for this game. I'm going to get up for this game.
We're going to be streaming this game. I really, really, really, really, really want the Bears to win this game.
And

Speaker 1 I'll be upset because I understand what's at stake. There's a lot of Packers fans that are going to just have a lot of fun at my expense.

Speaker 1 Was it Justin Fields that kind of poked the bear a little bit that said in Green Bay they don't really have a lot to do except go to football games. So I expect the crowd to be loud.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's a fact. That's not even poking the bear.
That's actually respect. They're going to prove him right.
No, that's respect. Yeah.
Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 1 And they go to football games, and they're a passionate fan base. And I've been on the bront end of that passionate fan base many times.

Speaker 3 Nerd nugget. Packers tight ends.

Speaker 3 Tucker Kraft and Luke Musgrave are the second rookie tight end combo since the 1970 merger to both have at least 25 catches, 300 receiving yards, and at least one receiving touchdown.

Speaker 3 The other, Rob Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 1 Wow. All right.

Speaker 1 Great players, even better off the field. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So which one of the two do you think is the murderer?

Speaker 3 I think they're both good guys. Musgrave.

Speaker 1 Musgrave. Yeah, sounds like a murderer.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We talked, Broncos, Raiders.

Speaker 1 Eagles, Giants.

Speaker 1 Max, come forward.

Speaker 5 This is like a new thing that you guys do where you like say the Eagles game and then you just go silent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, be nice. Just let the room breathe.
Choose your own adventure. Do you want us to goad you into getting really mad or do you just want to get mad on your own?

Speaker 1 It's actually. I'm not going to get mad.
If we're being honest, the reason why we're doing this is because it's every single episode is like a new way that you're going to step in it.

Speaker 1 And so we kind of want to be like, go ahead, Max. How will we start this dance?

Speaker 5 I'm not going to step in it today.

Speaker 1 Okay. So you have just 30 seconds to talk about your feelings in this game.

Speaker 1 I have thoughts. Okay.

Speaker 5 I'm already opening up the door for me to change my mind on this team. I'm not saying I'm there yet, but the A.J.
Brown

Speaker 5 talked with the media the other day has opened up my brain to be like,

Speaker 5 maybe we can come back.

Speaker 1 What did he say?

Speaker 5 And it may have also opened up my mind towards Nick Siriani as well.

Speaker 1 Oh. What did he say?

Speaker 5 Oh, he just like talked with the media, went after them for like starting a bad narrative about the team, talked about how the guy. I mean, it was all normal things, but it was the way he said it.

Speaker 5 He wasn't doing coach talk. He was kind of going after the media and like talking like a normal person.
Like, we in here know that

Speaker 5 we're right there and that, like, we're good enough. Like, we're not showing up on the field.

Speaker 5 Some of our coaches are taking a lot of the brunt, but like, it's really our fault on the field.

Speaker 5 He took responsibility in a way that that wasn't like

Speaker 5 he was trained to say that. It was like a normal conversation that has a lot of Philadelphia convinced that the team might be back.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 But I'm not saying that that's me, but I'm saying that

Speaker 1 it's a lot of Philadelphia. Correct.

Speaker 5 I'm not saying that I think that the team is back, but I'm opening up that maybe I could.

Speaker 1 That's just how I would describe your brain would be just a lot of Philadelphia floating around.

Speaker 1 And so you got all this Philly floating around, and there's a good part of it.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 a soup that has yet to really come together. You got all the ingredients for believing in this team.

Speaker 1 And then with a big weekend, if you come out and you destroy the Giants, then it blends together into like a perfect dish, and you're ready to go for the playoffs.

Speaker 5 I still don't think anything this weekend

Speaker 5 will change my opinion, but

Speaker 5 this weekend I'm still pessimistic, but going into next week.

Speaker 1 You're going to get optimistic again, no?

Speaker 5 Not optimistic, but like not pessimistic.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you a question, Max, and you have to be honest.

Speaker 1 So the A.J. Brown, you kind of mumbled whatever.
I still don't know what A.J. Brown really said.
Do you, PFT? Well, what he said was something to the media.

Speaker 1 It didn't sound like he had been trained to say to you. He didn't do Coach Speak, but he then went attacked the media, but it wasn't Coach Speak.
It was good.

Speaker 1 It was good, and it sounds like they believe in Siriani. Okay, yeah, sure.
Which sounds like Coach Speak. It's a lot of film.

Speaker 1 To be like,

Speaker 1 we believe in our coach. Yeah.
We trust in our guys. He was literally speaking about his coach.
He was a cliche.

Speaker 5 No, but you have to watch it. You have to watch it, and you have to listen, and you would understand.

Speaker 1 Okay, you would understand. That's not my question, though.
My question is,

Speaker 1 is part of your belief in the Eagles making a run

Speaker 1 based on a meme stat thing that's been going around the internet?

Speaker 5 I would say more so, AJ Brown. Be honest.
Be honest. I would say more so.
Be honest. The AJ Brown clip.

Speaker 1 Be honest.

Speaker 5 But that meme

Speaker 5 didn't hurt.

Speaker 1 So there's a meme going around that has the 2012 Baltimore Ravens and how they finished the season, which was very similar to how the Eagles have finished the season.

Speaker 1 The 2012 Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl. The interesting thing about that meme is who is pictured in that meme?

Speaker 1 Ray Lewis. That's the interesting part.

Speaker 1 Because Ray Lewis did not play for basically the last 10 weeks, I believe, of the season. Derry Sly.

Speaker 1 And then got his deer antler spray and played in all four playoff games, and they won the Super Bowl. That part feels important.
Darius Slay.

Speaker 1 Darius Slay, Ray Lewis.

Speaker 1 Captain of the same defense, basically mayor of Baltimore, the vibes guy, the guy who comes out the tunnel last.

Speaker 1 Darius Slay. Darius Slay, on the other hand, Darius Slay.
Darius Slay still in Patricia's doghouse?

Speaker 5 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 It just made me chuckle. They definitely know each other.
No, they don't. It just made me chuckle because I saw that and I was like, oh, that's interesting.
And then my memory kicked in.

Speaker 1 I was like, wait, yeah, the Ravens got Ray Lewis back.

Speaker 1 You know what, though?

Speaker 1 If we're wrong about the Eagles, if the Eagles catch a little fire. Oh, this show's over.
Max is going to

Speaker 1 be insufferable. If the Eagles win the Super Bowl this year, the show's over.

Speaker 5 We're not doing this. No, but I've already opened myself up for...
I'm not going to give you...

Speaker 5 I've opened myself up for you guys to be like, you can't celebrate this because I've already written the team off.

Speaker 1 Oh, I didn't even think of that, but thank you. I'll put that in my back pocket.
I've already thought about that.

Speaker 5 Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Obviously, you saying that you kind of believe in this team gives us a spark, and we're like, yeah, he does. Yeah.
This is what I wanted. I wanted this spark out of you.

Speaker 5 But the spark isn't there yet.

Speaker 5 I'm just saying that there's a possibility.

Speaker 1 We need some more memes. Get him some more memes.
You know what's crazy is the Baltimore Ravens did this exact same thing, and then they won the Super Bowl that year. Yeah, that's true in 2012.

Speaker 1 There's probably a lot in their bird team also.

Speaker 1 A lot of hope. Similar areas.
They're on I-95. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This could happen, big cat. Are you getting Ray Lewis back?

Speaker 1 Darius Slay. Darius Slay.

Speaker 1 Maybe if Darius Slay does deer antler spray,

Speaker 1 you can get back.

Speaker 1 I'm reading the

Speaker 1 quote here from A.J. Brown.
He started off by saying, golly, okay, let me get comfortable. That doesn't sound like coach speaking.
That sounds like a really specific speaker.

Speaker 1 That's certified non-coach speaking. Speaking from the heart.
Yep. And then he said he apologized to his teammates because they shouldn't have to answer questions on my behalf.
I'm a man.

Speaker 1 I can speak for myself. He hasn't talked to the media since.

Speaker 5 No, but it's the way he said it. It's the way he said it.
It's different.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right, get the clip for us.
We're going to listen to it. We can keep going.
Find the full clip. I would like to judge this clip.
Let's go nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 1 By the way, I like the Giants in this game. I don't really have a feeling one way or another.
I'm just going again with my theme of just liking the bad team versus the good team. Well,

Speaker 1 the bad team versus the less bad team. I have the quote.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Pull it up for us.

Speaker 1 We went on our own and

Speaker 1 like for the Seattle game. That was on us.

Speaker 1 We messed that up.

Speaker 1 We improvised and we went on our own and they came out and said, oh,

Speaker 1 I wanted to try to get a flag or something, something crazy like that. Like, he really made himself

Speaker 1 look like the fool for us.

Speaker 1 I have nothing but respect for him. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because not all coaches do that.
You know what I'm saying? So, like, bro, bro. We rhyme with niggas.
We ride with Brian.

Speaker 1 We just got to come out. We just got to play ball.
That's all it is. It's one person messing up or something like that.
And I'm not saying that somebody's just trying to mess up, but it happened.

Speaker 1 We're human, you know what I'm saying? So, like, but like I said, it's highs and lows, and you see the glimpses. So, that's why I'm like, oh, we're right there.
We're right there.

Speaker 1 Despite everything, despite everybody saying this or saying that, like, we're right there, and we know we are. And that's the only thing that matters.
We know. We know.

Speaker 1 You can say whatever you want to say. But when the shit happened, then it's going to be like, oh, what is going on? Oh, oh, oh.
But if it don't happen, then what?

Speaker 1 Try again. That's just what it is what it is.
And that's how you have to approach life.

Speaker 1 Okay. So did you get played by the media then, Max?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I'm dumb.

Speaker 1 I'm a dumb guy. Fell for the fake news? I don't hate that.

Speaker 1 If Sirianni. I don't hate that quote.
Oh, okay. Let's go.
No, I kind of agree with you. That was a good quote.

Speaker 1 If Siriani actually said that to the media about the end of the Seattle game just to get heat on himself and to detract from his players or deflect the heat from his players, that's the mark of a great coach right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think that you guys, yeah, it sounds like they're buying in.
Max, you should have a a spark. This feels good.
Oh, this is okay. Okay, okay, okay.
Take him a second. Take him a second.

Speaker 1 Take him a second. He's not as dumb as he looks.

Speaker 1 That's a great quote. That's an awesome.
Awesome. One of the greatest leadership quotes I've ever, it's like that and JFK, like, not what your country could do for you.

Speaker 1 I was going to say that reminds me a lot of the Tim Tebow speech that he gave. Yeah.
You will not see a

Speaker 1 start of the championship DVD. The cat.
The cat

Speaker 5 of the video to that tweet is from Philly Laz and says, A.J. Brown single-handedly saving the Eagles season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree with that. Good job, AJ.
You send us that. I want to retweet it.
Golly. Yeah, that's fucking huge.
Huge. I also like that he calls his coach Nick.
Yeah. That shows that they're boys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It shows that there's not a lot of respect.
No, I was going to say, like, they're friends. Yeah.
You always want your coach to be your friend. Yeah, your best friend.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 3 Dun dun dun dun.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a sad one. That's nerd nugget of the week.

Speaker 1 That's a sad one. Oh.

Speaker 1 Why was that so sad, Jake? Well, I'll read it. Oh, no.
Someone died? Yeah. It should have been the Aaron Herring.
Literally, yes.

Speaker 1 Wait, literally, someone died? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 This is from Ruben Frank in a now-deleted tweet. Shout out to Bustin with the boys for getting my attention.

Speaker 3 Jason Kelsey is the 23rd offensive lineman in NFL history to make first team all-pro at least five times and the Pro Bowl at least seven times.

Speaker 3 Of the 21 who are eligible for the Hall of Fame, only one has not gotten in. That's Jim Tyrr, who murdered his wife in 1980 and never will.

Speaker 1 That was a good nerd nugget of the week. Murder.
Merd. Merck Nugget.
Murder. Oh, it's a Merd Nugget of the Week.
Murder Nugget. I think Merck Nugget would be good to the sad nerd nugget sound.

Speaker 1 So, wait, but hang on, Jake, because I've listened to Peter King, a respected voice in the NFL community, discuss how he only votes based on your credentials on the field. Not off.
Sharpa. So wait.

Speaker 1 So what's this guy's name?

Speaker 1 Ruben. Wait, the journalist or the guy who the guy that did the

Speaker 1 Chris Benoit. Murder.
Jim Tyror. What murder? Jim Tyror.
Jim Tyre, Peter King. You need to get Jim Tyror in the Hall of Fame or else you're just full of shit.
So he murdered one wife.

Speaker 3 And he's the only offensive lineman in the family.

Speaker 1 Jim Tyre.

Speaker 3 Five all-pros and seven pros. Would he ever

Speaker 3 be in the Hall of Fame? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Murder his wife. That is your first ever murder nugget of the week.
Murder nugget of the week. That was good, Jake.
I like that. Okay, Seahawks Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Game doesn't mean a lot because the Seahawks need help. I think they need a decent amount of help, correct? I'm going to look it up right now.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals are frisky, though. Cardinals are beyond frisky.

Speaker 1 They're maybe good.

Speaker 1 Winning a green bay loss. Win with a green.
Oh, so they don't need any help. So you could get the game.
That's going to happen. You could get the Seahawks into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is the exact same situation as last year. Seahawks weren't.
No, Seahawks got. Yeah, Seahawks got in the playoffs.
Because the Lions didn't. Yes, okay.
Perfect.

Speaker 1 That's such a hilarious position. If you're a Seahawks fan, week 18 of the past two years has been just like death for you.

Speaker 1 You need so much stuff to happen, or really two things to happen, but you need to root as hard in one exact other game as you do in your game. Yes.

Speaker 1 If you're a Seahawks fan and you win this game and then the Bears win this game, I want to see at least one Seahawks fan get a split Bears-Lions jersey. Yeah.
Please. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You just have to be number 18, week 18, Bears Lions jersey. Show some respect.
NFC North comes to save the day again. You're standing on the shoulders of giants.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think the Cardinals are alive. They're frisky.
They're playing hard. Jonathan Gannon, not as dumb as we thought with the Pew Pew Pew.

Speaker 1 It really does become like as Nick Siriani becomes dumber, Shane Steichen and Jonathan Gannon become smarter.

Speaker 1 It's very true, yeah. Because you have to explain why the Eagles were so good last year.
And if you think that they're bad because Nick Siriani this year, ipso facto, the coordinator merchant.

Speaker 1 The pew-pew-pew explosives guy is legit. I think I told you that after week two this year, Big Cat, right? Remember that? Yep.
Was it week one? Week one, maybe? The defense plays hard.

Speaker 1 The offense, Kyler Murray, I'll say this. I've talked a lot of shit about Kyler Murray over the course of this show.
He actually doesn't look bad.

Speaker 1 He looks like a guy that I would try to build around if I was in Arizona. Yeah.
Yeah, I agree. He looks like a franchise quarterback.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay, Nerd Nugget.

Speaker 3 With 1,001 scrimmage yards this season, running back James Conner has joined Otis Anderson as the only players in Cardinals history to have 1,000-plus scrimmage yards in each of their first three seasons with the team.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay. Did Otis Anderson commit any murders? Not that I'm aware of.
Okay. All right.
We did Chiefs, Chargers. Rams, 49ers.

Speaker 1 49ers have the one seed all locked up. Probably going to sit some guys.
They should sit everyone. I think the Rams might too.
Yeah, the Rams might too.

Speaker 1 The Rams could go to the seventh seed because the Packers beat them.

Speaker 1 So if the Packers win and the Rams lose, I believe they become the seventh seed and then we'd have to go to Dallas who also beat them soundly.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the 49ers should sit everyone. The only thing that can stop the 49ers are injuries in the Baltimore Ravens.
I think it's a vanilla off this weekend because there's a good chance.

Speaker 1 Don't show anything?

Speaker 1 Yeah, both teams. I think this is going to be the most boring game possible.
Yeah. Because Kyle Shanahan said there's a good chance that we would play this team again in two weeks.

Speaker 1 Meaning, you know, he's he's looking at the Rams maybe beating

Speaker 1 the Lions or something along those lines. So, yeah, it's going to be a vanilla off.
And Shanahan does have that great record against the Rams. Was he 9-1? Yeah.

Speaker 1 One loss being in the NFC Championship game. Yeah, I wish they covered.
Yeah, I wish they covered that one. But yeah, this is going to be a boring game.
Maybe we get Carson Wentz this weekend.

Speaker 1 How about that? It's not a true season until we get Carson Wentz depressing another fan base. That would be fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 49ers sit, everyone. Just do it.
Rust versus Rust. Yeah.
Well, the Rams, I predict,

Speaker 1 they'll sit a lot of people. So that's extra Rust.
But they're not going to sit Puka Nakua. Yeah.
Because I think he's got, what, 29 yards to go until he breaks the rookie reception record?

Speaker 1 He's got to do it.

Speaker 1 And as a fifth 25 pick, he's probably got an incentive. He's got a 25.
He's probably got an incentive in his contract for $0.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. But I feel like Sean McVay is going to do that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, two weeks. You'd have two weeks off.

Speaker 1 This is one of those games where you look at the schedule and you see Rams 49ers and you think, oh, this would be a great game if it was played five weeks ago. Yep.

Speaker 1 I'd love to see this game in like early December. Also, we had, remember, earlier this year, the Rams feel gold to cover the spread.
Yes. They might try to cover the spread.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 One way or the other.

Speaker 1 Okay, nerd nugget.

Speaker 3 Nerd nugget of the week.

Speaker 1 What does it say about me that I love, I like the merd nugget so much better than the nerd nugget.

Speaker 3 You like sadness.

Speaker 1 I like, yeah, the sound that you made was better.

Speaker 3 This one might even be nerd nugget of the season.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Okay. Via Brian Knowles.

Speaker 3 With Christian McCaffrey resting in week 18, he will finish the year with 2,023 yards from scrimmage. He is the first player in NFL history to have as many yards as the season.

Speaker 1 Oh, as the year? Yep.

Speaker 1 I hate how much you like that. That sucks.
That's how much

Speaker 1 cool. Next closest.

Speaker 3 Gerald Riggs, 1,986 yards in 1985. Earl Campbell had 1,981 yards in 1980.

Speaker 1 I had zero yards in the year zero.

Speaker 1 True. Just a fact.

Speaker 1 That

Speaker 3 washes out this entire.

Speaker 1 Like, that's something you actually are excited about. I think it's cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 3 What are the odds?

Speaker 1 Well, pretty high because no one was close. You had to get 19,000

Speaker 1 yards.

Speaker 1 And that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 And And they had to have clinched? Because he can't play this week?

Speaker 1 Oh, wait. So the stat is he's the first player to ever sit out the last game of the season.
No.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So no team has ever, no player has ever gotten the exact number of all-purpose yards as the year. Correct.
Got it.

Speaker 3 Maybe it was just rushing yards. No, yards are scratching.
No, it's got to be all yards.

Speaker 1 Okay, it's just going to be. All right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to email the NFL and go through his film tape and be like, you actually gave him an extra yard. Take it away.
Yeah, I'm going to try. I'm going to

Speaker 1 figure out who I can hit up.

Speaker 3 We got to get that one's cool. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Actually, you know what? I like Christian McCaffrey. I'll try to get him an extra yard.

Speaker 3 2024.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then if he wins the Super Bowl, you're going to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Is there a different, like, are there different sites that have different yardage so we can just contest this right now? If you want, it'd be nice if we can contest it.
What, uh,

Speaker 1 okay, well, we'll, I'm going to work on this. Maybe he had, maybe he had like a fumble that was actually an incomplete pass.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 fuck. Oh, does he have any fucking

Speaker 1 does he have any passing yards? Does he have any passing yards? Christian McCaffrey

Speaker 1 throws pass.

Speaker 1 Throws pass. Does he have any passing yards?

Speaker 3 14.59 rushing, 564 receiving.

Speaker 1 Pukas is 29 yards. Okay, thank you for the correction.

Speaker 3 PFT, your team played him last week. You could have held him to

Speaker 1 one less yard. Yeah, so it's kind of your fault.
Yeah, it is. It's Ron Rivera.
Yeah. He's to blame for everything.

Speaker 3 Eagles played him.

Speaker 1 Memes, would you like to apologize to me for that fake stat correction you gave me? I apologize. Thank you, Memes.

Speaker 1 What was the stack? I was right about Puka Nakua needing 29 yards, not 25.

Speaker 1 Fuck, he doesn't have any passing yards this year. God damn it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm sure Brian Knowles, who's the chief writer for PlayStation Contributor, looked into this before tweeting it out.

Speaker 1 Fuck Brian Knowles. Oh, so it's not like an official, official recognized stat.
It's Brian Knowles' stat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but how does he know how many pass yards this year? God damn it. Negative pass yards, I'd even take.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's keep moving.

Speaker 3 You guys are sad when I'm happy.

Speaker 1 But wait, wait, wait,

Speaker 1 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Jake, Jake, how many yards does he have again?

Speaker 3 2023.

Speaker 1 What year is it right now? The season.

Speaker 1 The season is 2023. 2023.

Speaker 1 Hey, Jake, does he have 2023-24 yards? Oh, we do this.

Speaker 1 You say it's never happened. It'll never happen.
Okay.

Speaker 1 It will never, ever happen. Do the nerd nugget sound in the...

Speaker 3 The NFL does not classify it as a two-year season.

Speaker 1 Like the NBA and NFL.

Speaker 1 How many yards did Chris McCaffrey get in the playoffs last year in 2023? Oh, good question. Oh,

Speaker 1 yes. Good question.
Season. Got him.

Speaker 3 First player to have 2023 of as many yards as this season.

Speaker 1 In the year. The year 2023, he got way more yards in 2023.
I just, I find it interesting that it's 2024 and you're claiming that it's 2023, gaslighting all of us.

Speaker 1 He tried to make us think New Year's never happened. Good job.

Speaker 1 Okay. Cowboys and Commanders.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's my summary.
I'm pretty sure that we're going to get our ass kicked this weekend. It's going to be nice.
I would have been on the Commanders. Yeah, we'll probably do something stupid.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We did beat them in the last game of the season last year.
That was Sam Howell's first start and crushed the Cowboys. They also sat a couple players, not all of them, but a couple players.

Speaker 1 I'm looking forward to seeing my team on a football field on a Sunday afternoon. And that's about as far as I'll go for it.
That's nice.

Speaker 1 I get 17 of these a year. Yep.
I want to enjoy it. I want to be like, oh, there's my coach.
Oh, there's my quarterback. Oh, there's my punter.
Oh, there's my stadium that's falling apart.

Speaker 1 I want to recognize recognize that. I want to enjoy it.
I want to soak it in, and hopefully, we'll lose the game, and hopefully, the Saints will win, and then we'll get the second overall pick. Nice.

Speaker 1 So that's basically what I'm rooting for this weekend. I'm going to bet the Commanders hoping that the Cowboys go up and they say, hey, let's not get anyone hurt.
Their offensive line's banged up.

Speaker 1 Did you see

Speaker 1 who got hurt? Tyler.

Speaker 1 Was it Tyler's? Smith.

Speaker 1 Tyrant Smith. No, Tyler.
They're other Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Fuck.

Speaker 1 He hurt his foot. He tore his planter fascious.
But that's good. Tyler Smith.
Tyler Smith. Tyler Smith.
He tore it, though. Yeah, he tore it.
The whole thing. Which is good.
That's what they.

Speaker 1 So all the reports that came out about this were like, great news. He completely tore his planter fascius.
He's going to play on it in the playoffs. And

Speaker 1 that makes me want to cry thinking about it. Because apparently it's way better to tear it than it is to partially tear it.
I don't know how that's possible.

Speaker 1 I don't know either, but that's what everybody was saying. I think if it's torn, you can play in a torn one.

Speaker 5 I did this in high school. If it's torn.

Speaker 1 All right, go ahead.

Speaker 1 So Tell us how high school Max would play in the NFL playoffs.

Speaker 5 I was in a boot for like six weeks.

Speaker 1 Was yours partially torn? Partially torn. Oh, so

Speaker 1 were you told that you should have torn it the whole way?

Speaker 5 I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 Even your injuries are sad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're like, man, you should have, you're such a loser. You should have torn the whole thing.
You had the second best way to injure your play to fashion. Ever.

Speaker 5 It felt like every time you touched your heel on something, you were like stepping on glass.

Speaker 1 Oof, that's not fun. Should have torn the whole thing.
Yep. Yeah.
I would have torn it. Yep.
If I were you, I would have just gone down there.

Speaker 1 I'd never partially tear my plan to crash on it. Fuck that.
I'd always go full tear. I would keep running on until that thing snapped.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Do you have disgusting feet now? Oh.

Speaker 1 Puke.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, Big Cat tweeted the picture, so.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 3 Cowboys wide receiver C.B. Lamb has scored a touchdown in eight straight games, the longest active streak in the NFL.
Lamb is also the first Cowboys receiver to score in eight consecutive games.

Speaker 1 Every time I hear a stat like that about Cowboys receivers, it blows my mind. Yeah.
If that's what

Speaker 1 they're seeing, I can come. I love the merd nugget.
That one ruled. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, it also is sad.

Speaker 1 No, no, it ruled.

Speaker 1 Can you try to find more of those? Oh, breaking moves. Breaking moves.

Speaker 1 Breaking moves. Per Adam Schafter,

Speaker 1 Dalvin Cook has cleared waivers and is now free to sign with whichever playoff contender he wants per source. Why are we trying so hard to get Dalvin Cook on a playoff team? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Can somebody explain that to me? What's going on here? It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 I hope he wins the Super Bowl now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just don't. Playoff Dalvin.
We watched him. I mean, you watched some memes closely.
He doesn't seem to have any burst.

Speaker 5 It'd be cool if he was on the Bills.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. They have playoff Lenny, too.
Oh, that would be very cool. And the brother.
That the brothers was what we're talking about. We were talking about playoff Dalvin.

Speaker 1 We were talking about the brothers. Yeah, but that would be a sick.
Yeah, but the brother's apart.

Speaker 1 That would be too many cooks. Yeah, literally.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jake. Playoff Dalvin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what's going on with how these reports are being framed around Dalvin Cook. I just hope one day I have as good a PR team as he.
Yes, yes. Sign Dalvin Cook.

Speaker 1 They just think that they did it in the summer, they can just run the play again. Yeah, exactly.
It's all it is. He's going to take a tour.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You should just show up to different teams and be like, hey, it's me, Dalvin Cook. I'm here.
I'm here. Ryan and Dineme.
Yeah. Playoff run starts now.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Bills at Dolphins to finish it off. I'm so excited for this game.
It's going to be a great game.

Speaker 1 I'm nervous. I'm not going to bet this game because we put a future on the Bills.
They need to win this. They can back in.
So we'll know on Sunday night. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll know what's the game that they need to focus on. Is that the Steelers game? The Steelers and the Jags.
Yeah, either or. Yeah, either or.

Speaker 1 So if either of those two teams lose, the Bills will not be playing for their playoff lives. They'll just be playing for the two-seed.

Speaker 1 They're going to be motivated no matter what, because it would obviously be potentially two home playoff games versus being on the road in the wild card weekend.

Speaker 1 But there would be a little pressure off knowing they could be in the playoffs even with a loss. But yeah, this will be

Speaker 1 the Dolphins kind of have to have a get right.

Speaker 1 And they, like, for the Dolphins to fall all the way to the sixth seed would be catastrophic considering the fact that they were, the Bills were six and six and i think what were the dolphins were they were they ten and no they were nine and three just a month ago so where would the dolphins have to go on the road they would have to most likely the chiefs are locked into the three i believe so they'd go to the they go to kansas city yeah hopefully get like a nice little snow game or like some cold weather to see if the dolphins can play on the road in that environment it would be tyreek's return because they played in germany this year what a great story tyreek's house is on fire this week i did see that everyone's okay he does have a lot of baby monitors that are going at the same time.

Speaker 1 Probably overloaded the grid. Well, it was actually a child who started it with the lighter.
That rocks. Yeah.
That kid's going to be cool. Just got to tell him to go outside with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that kid's going to be awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All the best people that I hang out with to this day were kids that started fires when they were like seven. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a fact. Hank definitely started fire.
Fire was cool when you were kids. I careful.
I didn't start fire. Well, either.
Hank, really? That's a lot. Hank has definitely started a fire.

Speaker 1 If you were to ask me inside,

Speaker 1 is there one person that you know was definitely a kid that leaned way way back in his chair in school to the point that he fell over and also maybe played with fire?

Speaker 1 Both those answers are going right at Hank Lockwood. I was a huge leaner.
Still am. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fire,

Speaker 1 I think my parents were good at proofing the house of

Speaker 1 lighters and stuff. They kept it away from me.
It's probably smart. Probably for the best.

Speaker 1 I have a stat for everyone just so that we can do one smart thing on this show from my friend that supports Info Solution. The Bills defense, they play a lot of middle-of-the-field open coverage.

Speaker 1 So it's cover two, cover four, cover six. And Tua is the fourth best quarterback in the league against that.
Okay. So might be Dolphins get back on track a little.
No, Jalen Waddell hurts a lot.

Speaker 1 It does. I feel like that's a big loss on their offense.
And like when you just eliminate one super, super fast guy that you have to worry about, makes it a little bit easier.

Speaker 1 And then obviously the Dolphins are going to deal without Bradley Chubb as well. Right, for the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 And Mostert and Zavenhau both didn't practice today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, it's bad.

Speaker 1 So what are you hoping for just in terms of the

Speaker 1 setup for this game on Sunday night? How do you want to go into this game? I want to go into it now

Speaker 1 having it either be win or in or win or out for the Bills. I don't.

Speaker 1 Just in terms of

Speaker 1 getting amped up for the game. I understand that the boys jump.
I don't

Speaker 1 based on what we put on the Bills to win the Super Bowl. I would rather not

Speaker 1 have a future die on Sunday night. I would just like to feel alive.
I know, I agree. I understand.

Speaker 1 If I eliminated that part, it would be pretty cool. But you're not thinking about how cool it would be to have it be lose and go home, and then you win that game.
True. That would be awesome.
True.

Speaker 1 What a thrill.

Speaker 1 Wait, lose and go home, and then you win.

Speaker 1 So have the Bills be lose and you go home, but then you actually win that game. Like the scenario going into the game.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Picture this, okay? It's

Speaker 1 Mike Torico, Chris Collinsworth, and the Bills have to win this game. Yeah.
And before Chris says a single word on the broadcast, he just laughs. He's like, ha ha, ha, this is the kind of football.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 For the

Speaker 1 television audience, it's absolutely that. Yeah.
The Bills are just, and it is,

Speaker 1 it does feel like that's where the Bills season has always been, where the volatility is so high for their entire season, where they've looked great. and they've looked really, really bad.

Speaker 1 To have a spot where they could be the two seed and also be out of the playoffs is perfect. It is good.
We have

Speaker 1 another celebrity pick for this game. Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Hopefully, he actually makes a pick this year. Yeah, I don't know.
Let's see. Let's see what he does.

Speaker 1 Sean McDermott kind of had the right idea. Look,

Speaker 1 I tried to kill Bin Laden for six years.

Speaker 1 It can't be any easier than beating Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs. Sorry about banning menthol vapes.
Coach McDaniels can't be having too much fun. I like the Bills.

Speaker 1 You know, I ran up trillions of them. There we go.
That's it. I like that.
So he does like the Bills. Thank you, former President Barack Obama.

Speaker 1 He crushed that. He made a pick.
He made a pick. You got that, Hank? He made a pick.
Are you going to bet those picks? I'll bet the Bills. I like the Bills.

Speaker 1 You actually like the Bills? Yeah, I think Bills, Lions, Browns. Like, you had Browns and Lions in terms of

Speaker 1 non-neutral rooting interest in the playoffs, and I would throw the Bills in there. Okay.

Speaker 1 A Bills playoff run would be fun, Super Bowl run. We would accuse them a lot of glazing.
Lions. The glazing meter would be high.
Call me Jay Glazer. I'll do it.
I'll do it again. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 If the Bills won the Super Bowl, we would get accused of a lot of glazing, but we also could be like, fuck everyone who's like, they stink. Why are you glazing a team?

Speaker 1 If it's Bills, Lions, Super Bowl, Grit Week will be justified. Yes.
Yep. Start of the championship DVD.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 We'd also get wignuts in Vegas. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep, very true. And I don't really understand glazing.
So I get it, but it means like we're nutting on them.

Speaker 1 If they're trying to make fun of us, shouldn't it be like we're getting glazed by the Bills?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So we're just... I also just don't, and I think this is a very vocal minority.

Speaker 1 So take it with a grain of salt because I think there's so many people who listen to this podcast that have no problem with how we operate.

Speaker 1 It always confuses me because I think one of the cool things about this show is that we are able to become friends with some of these athletes and they get the show and it's awesome when they have them on.

Speaker 1 I like protecting those things. Like that's a fun wrinkle to this show that we have some like we're not just

Speaker 1 a studio show that's like we're just talking about these guys who never meet them. Some of them are our friends.
That's fucking cool. Yeah, it is.
Like I think that's a cool thing.

Speaker 1 If people want us to just not be friends with anyone and like I guess we could do that. Just say, fuck, fuck all these guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll be known as a Bills Glazer. Whatever.

Speaker 1 I don't think they are going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 They could. But they could.
They could. That's really what it is.
I don't think they will, but they could. If they win this game.
If that's glazing, I don't know what to, I mean.

Speaker 1 I think we're also the first people to say this year that the Bills are just not a good team.

Speaker 1 When a lot of people were making excuses, being like, oh, they're going to figure this out, figure that out. They have not been a good team for most of the year.

Speaker 1 Do you know what's actually helped us a little bit? Uh, is that Patrick Mahomes has also been not good this year?

Speaker 1 Because a lot of times it's like, oh, you're Glazing Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes is way better. They both have been not great at times.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're actually kind of very similar teams, the Bills and the Chiefs, where I don't think they're very good, but I also think they're super dangerous.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what I'm officially rooting for now, I would like to see Kansas City Chiefs travel to Buffalo. and have to play a game in Buffalo.
Oh, that would be round two. This could happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 In round two, right? Yeah. They never play in Buffalo.
That would be awesome. Yeah.
That would be quite a game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Quite a game. Just putting it out into that universe.
Also could maybe get us to our

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco going to Baltimore. Yes.
Oh, man. That would be a great second round.
Wow. Wow.
Dude, the NFL rocks. It rocks.
I've been saying it for the last three weeks.

Speaker 1 I'm so excited for these playoffs. I don't remember being this excited for playoffs.
Like, this is...

Speaker 1 These playoffs are chaotic. They're so random.

Speaker 1 All right, nerd nugget.

Speaker 3 In 12 career starts against the Dolphins, Bills quarterback Josh Allen has led the Bills to a 10-2 record, 34 passing touchdowns.

Speaker 3 That's the most of any QB versus a single opponent since the start of 2018.

Speaker 3 He's also thrown multiple passing touchdowns in all 12 games in his career against the Dolphins, which is the longest streak by a quarterback against a single opponent in NFL history.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he owns the Dolphins. It was the heat was the only thing that beat him.

Speaker 1 What's the weather? Can we get a weather up to 20? 69 degrees. It's not going to be hot.
Is it really? Yeah. Ashley told us some advisors.
69 degrees nutted in his pants.

Speaker 1 69 degrees. Oh, I see.

Speaker 1 It's potential rain.

Speaker 5 Light rain, but nothing.

Speaker 1 Okay, a little drizzle. It smells kind of cool.
Yeah, but this time of year, it's always nice down there.

Speaker 1 A little light rain on the visors. Yeah.
Always look cool. Although, if it's like a light drizzle, doesn't that make the ball wetter than if it's super, super rainy? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know how that works either. Yeah.
It's just something I've heard. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking about Josh Allen going into contact, trying to lateral the ball. Yeah.
Slipping. Worried about that a little bit.
Shout out our friend Alec Ingold, by the way. Made a Pro Bowl.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Pullback for the Dolphins. You can see that.
Hell yes.

Speaker 1 Okay, should we do our picks? And you got an update? It's over.

Speaker 5 Should this just be me and memes picking?

Speaker 3 That's the only thing at stake here. It's a Max and Memes.
Yeah, I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1 Hank. I've already said I'm going to pick every bad team.

Speaker 3 Boston, I'm two and a half up on memes with two to play.

Speaker 1 That's good. I like that.
So just the two of you guys pick.

Speaker 3 And it should be worth noting. Max has 18 and a half and memes is 18.
So a tie favors Max.

Speaker 1 I like the Bears a lot. I don't like the idea of them tying.
Shut up.

Speaker 3 Well, last year, I think there was a tie and we rolled it over to Super Wildcard Weekend.

Speaker 1 Okay. Last year?

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 you're saying you don't like the idea of a tie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm just thinking ahead if there's a tie. Yeah, we would just go to the season.
Yeah, you should go next. Yeah, if there's a tie between the two of you, you guys both.
It's a draft thing, right?

Speaker 1 No, you guys both will have to make three picks next week for the Super Wildcard weekend. Two-man show? Two-man show? Two-man show? No.

Speaker 1 Okay, so, and then also, what's the pancakes update?

Speaker 3 So, pancakes is getting really tight in some places.

Speaker 5 I'm having a historically bad, it's like the same as the Eagles.

Speaker 3 Hank 54, Jake 53, Big Cat 44, PFT 43, Max 36, Memes 30.

Speaker 1 Just a reminder for everyone, we're going to do this stream probably in the next week or two. It's the pancake challenge of

Speaker 1 hours and pancakes. So, if Memes loses, he would have 24 pancakes or 24 hours.
So, every pancake he eats is one less hour. Memes said that he'd be out of there in three hours.

Speaker 1 So we're doing zero for first?

Speaker 1 You could eat 21 pancakes in three hours? Seven an hour?

Speaker 1 There's no way. I don't know.
Let's find out. Okay, we will.

Speaker 3 Zero pancakes for first, three pancakes second, and six pancakes, 12, 18, and 24.

Speaker 1 We're in the great town. I like that.
Six or 12 are

Speaker 1 a great meal of pancakes. Yeah.
I mean, I'll hang out for four hours. I'll see if I win this, I'll be kind of bummed.
Because I want want to eat some pancakes. Yeah, first place sucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, first place sucks.

Speaker 3 Maybe I can eat for fun.

Speaker 1 No, no, nope. Absolutely not.
You cannot have any pancakes. Damn.
Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 All right, so picks. Did Jake just swear? Yeah, he did.
He said, damn. Pancakes are good.
Yeah, but you can't do it because

Speaker 1 I'm going to follow. It makes the second place.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 You got to follow them.

Speaker 3 Understood.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'm rooting for 6 or 12 because we're one apart.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for 12.

Speaker 1 12 is a little bit of a challenge.

Speaker 1 because I can spend three hours and then eat nine pancakes. Yeah, yeah.
That sounds like a great morning to me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think that I think if I get six, I might just do two pancakes in four hours and hang with the boys.
Yeah. Memes will be here.
Memes thinking he can eat 21 pancakes in three hours is so wrong.

Speaker 1 It's going to take him, my prediction, 12 to 16 hours.

Speaker 5 It's crazy how bad I am at these punishments.

Speaker 1 Well, you're just bad in general.

Speaker 5 The only one that I didn't lose is the only thing I'm good at.

Speaker 1 Baseball. What?

Speaker 5 The only thing.

Speaker 1 Were you bad at everything?

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 I was good at baseball. Oh, wait.
I thought you were going to say eating pancakes.

Speaker 5 I could.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's true. No, even that I'm not good at.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're bad. You're really good at eating the panel.

Speaker 5 Was I good at eating the hot dogs?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know why you guys roasted me because I wasn't good at eating the hot dogs.

Speaker 1 Oh, I misremember.

Speaker 1 Well, why don't you eat some pancakes and hot dogs?

Speaker 5 That is another thing. I mean, that is another thing.
There's so many L's that I have, but how about that dub when I just told Pete Weber to fuck off when I

Speaker 5 bowled the strike to get out of there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 That was a sick dub. I don't remember that.
We have something more important to talk about. I think we just invented a delicious breakfast meal, which is a hot dog wrapped in a pancake.

Speaker 1 It's like the McGriddle of hot dogs. Yeah.
It's delicious. The McLizzy.
Oh, there's nothing better than putting a little syrup on your sausage? I'm going to eat a McLizzy.

Speaker 1 We should add a little bit of a little bit of a cheesesteak menu. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I.

Speaker 1 My

Speaker 1 fuck.

Speaker 1 My son and I, when he's changing, he's like,

Speaker 1 look at my wiener, my little wiener. And then the other day, we

Speaker 1 were cooking and he was like, he's like, look at my hot dog, look at my wiener. And then I was like, do you want a hot dog for dinner? And he's like, my penis.
And I was like, oh, God.

Speaker 1 That happened.

Speaker 1 I don't know why that bothered my head. But yeah, he said that in front of his mom.
And she's like, what?

Speaker 1 I got to correct that parenting. No, he's doing great.

Speaker 1 Wiener's and hot dogs. It is funny to call your penis your hot dog, your wiener.
We can take this out if Big Cat wants it out, but when we were coming back from Arizona. Oh, yeah.
No, you can see it.

Speaker 1 It was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 So we're flying back, and then his daughter goes like... I have vagina.
And then his son goes. He announced it.
His son's like, and I have a penis.

Speaker 1 They were just announcing it just for no reason. I was like, yeah.
And then we, I think they said, I think my daughter was like, and we both have butts. Yeah, we both have butts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, cool. Fucking nailed it.
We're just fucking doing the anatomy for everyone. Okay, picks.
All right, I'm going lines minus three and a half.

Speaker 1 Because it is the earlier game and the games

Speaker 1 that matter to the lions are after them. So Dan Campbell will get the boys fired up.
Okay.

Speaker 1 5-0. Max?

Speaker 5 I really need to win this. And my favorite

Speaker 1 You don't think you're good at talking on a mic?

Speaker 5 No, my favorite pick of this weekend is going to be Bears Plus Three.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Let's go.

Speaker 1 All right, so you'll be with me. Yeah, so yeah, I really am.
Let's fucking go.

Speaker 1 Max is getting smarter.

Speaker 1 He's understood how to play this game. I'm proud of you, Max.
Yep. Yep.
And

Speaker 1 my

Speaker 5 total will be.

Speaker 1 He doesn't realize, though, that the chess always works against him. Yeah, I know.
Because if the Bears lose, I'll be sad, sad, but then I'll be like, you're the loser. Max has a...

Speaker 1 I'll be like, you are the biggest loser. He's memorized the opening game in chess.
Yeah. He has no, once the nights get developed.
He has a sick first move.

Speaker 1 And then he's like, wait, how did I end up with a gun at my head again? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't really think I had. Okay.

Speaker 1 Because the move would have been to take the Packers, then laugh at me when they win.

Speaker 5 No, because then when they lost, it would be like, you would just be rough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't care. No, yeah, but Max, that's like if the Bears win, you're going to be.
But it's a gamble.

Speaker 1 You should try to maximize your happiness. Right.
You've basically just put yourself in a bad spot where it's like, if the Bears win, you don't get any of the glories.

Speaker 1 I'm going to suck all that up. I don't need the glory.
I just don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 Well, the Packers go in by one or two. That's Max's best case scenario.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess that's what you're rooting for. No, that's exactly what you're doing.
You win and you have to stay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you got one point. You got one point.
You got one play. Okay.

Speaker 5 And then my total is Ravens, Steelers, under.

Speaker 1 I think it's 35. Okay.
35 and a half. 35 and a half.
Was it 17, 10 the first time? I think that's supposed to be a shitweather game. And then backup quarterbacks.
Okay, memes.

Speaker 1 Damn, I was going to take the opposite, but I'll go over 45. Bears, Packers.
Oh, a lot resting on that game. So, wait, so who's in the lead right now?

Speaker 3 Max is up a half. So if they tie, Max memes is doing the.

Speaker 1 So if Max wins on Saturday.

Speaker 1 So the Bears-Packers game could mean nothing. It might, yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 Max could win Saturday, memes could lose Sunday afternoon or morning. Right.
And then Bears-Packers would mean nothing. Yep.
We're hoping for both of them to win, so it means something.

Speaker 1 Or lose. Or lose.
Be in conjunction. All right.
Or tie. Or tie.
All right. Fantasy fuckboys.
And then we'll get to our double interviews. We got Jimbo Fisher and Cam Jordan.

Speaker 1 What's up? My name's Ronnie Aribad Arche.

Speaker 1 My stardom, Luke Littla.

Speaker 8 Luke Littla.

Speaker 1 16-year-old Dot Phenom. Yeah.
Made it all the way to the finals. Came up a little short, but he's 16 years old.
He's the next.

Speaker 1 He's the next. He's next.
He's the next. Who's your favorite dartist? Who's next? Luke Littla.
Ah, fuck. What's the ball guy's name?

Speaker 1 Van Gerwin. Van Gerwin.

Speaker 1 Michael Smith. Oh, Michael Van Gerwin.

Speaker 1 Oh, Michael Van Gerwin.

Speaker 1 You really like Dots. You should maybe come to Dots Day next year.
It's Luke Littlis season. I was in Chicago last year.
My sit him, Stephen Hawking.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, appropriate.
Absolute fraud piece of shit. Always be sitting.
Mm-hmm. He couldn't even talk.
He couldn't even walk. He divorced his wife.
What a fucking loser. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then he shows up on the logs. Oh, he's on the logs.
He's on the logs. He's on the logs.
He's on the logs big time. Doing some weird fucking shit.
He was in a submarine.

Speaker 1 They built him a submarine and took him down underneath the water. Oh, fuck.
Said you heard you like to get wet. Ha ha.
Come on. Come on, Jake.

Speaker 1 Okay. And my sitem is football.
Or my sleepa. Sleepa.
Saturday football. Best time of the year.
Saturday playoff games. Games all weekend.
Hey, I got.

Speaker 1 What is it? Ronnie? Ronnie? Ronnie Ariboderchi. Ronnie Arivederchi,

Speaker 1 I got some breaking news for you. Mo.

Speaker 1 They play Saturday football all year. Not the

Speaker 1 college football. Not the big time.
Not the big time.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. Okay.

Speaker 1 Hey, what's up? It's this is Tommy DeVito again. How's it going? What's up, Tommy? How's it going? I'm sitting this weekend.
That's fine. It's whatever.
My starter this weekend is MLK merchandise.

Speaker 1 Make sure to do your holiday shopping a couple weeks early.

Speaker 1 If you have anybody in your close circle of friends or online communities, make sure to purchase your signed bus passes for your loved ones today to make sure they arrive in enough time.

Speaker 1 If there's anybody out there that you think might enjoy that, now's the time to act on it.

Speaker 1 I'm sitting my starters. Yeah.
No calamari, no bruschetta this weekend. Got to rest up for the playoffs.
Sit your starters, going healthy. And my sleeper is Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Kimmel is going to be my sleeper. There's no evidence to support he is a pedophile.

Speaker 1 So for the record, the fancy fuckboys will be the first to say Jimmy Kimmel is not a pedophile. Not a pedophile.
To our knowledge on this show.

Speaker 1 You think Aaron Rodgers might be one of the redacted names? Oh. Because I was thinking about it.
That's my sleeper.

Speaker 1 Because I thought to myself, this might be a Taylor Swift situation where he signed with New York. So when you Google his Aaron Rodgers Jets, it buries all the results.
Oh, yeah, frozen Disney.

Speaker 1 Just something to think about there. Is Aaron Rodgers a pedophile? The lady Doth protests too much.
We don't know. All right, my stardom.
What's up, guys?

Speaker 1 It's DJ Pauly D. My stardom is football sandwich.
Savor it. Love it.
Make love to it. It's week 18.
You gotta fucking just embrace every second we got left.

Speaker 1 My sitim is Nick Siriani, that fucking fraud Italian piece of shit. Fire him.
I actually wrote this before I heard about A.J. Brown.
AJ Brown did say. A.J.
Brown. Nick, great guy.
Yeah, so guess what?

Speaker 1 Nick the quick, you're back into the stardoms. My sleep is Aaron Rodgers, because Aaron Rodgers...

Speaker 1 I think he was just joking. Just kidding around.
I think he was just joking. It was a bit.

Speaker 1 So... Guys being dudes.
I really do.

Speaker 1 I do think he was joking. He's got a fucked up sense of humor.
He is a jerk. I really, like, if you watch that clip, I think he was joking.

Speaker 1 Well, he's, like, kind of implied that Kimmel runs in those circles. Right.

Speaker 1 And then Kimmel talked about him on his show, and then Aaron Rodgers was like, I'm just going to, I'm going to fire one last shot at him.

Speaker 1 I just saw it, and I was like, I don't think he's accusing him. I think he's just fucking around.
Well, a lot of people did say that he was on the list. That's the thing.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And I think there was somebody on the original logs that got passed around that might have been fake, might have been real, but even if they were real, all you saw was like M-M-E-L at the end of somebody's name.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And so everyone was like, Look, it's Jimmy Kimmel.
Just for the record, I don't think that Jimmy Kimmel is on the list. Yeah.
I don't either.

Speaker 1 And I will update that if I'm wrong. And I will.
No, you know what? I'm going to, I'm going to deny it. Jimmy Kimmel likes grown women.
Yes. Facts.
Grown-ass women. Put it out there.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's get to our interviews.
We got Jimbo Fisher, Cam Jordan. Great interviews.
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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is a BCS national champion coach.
It is Coach Jimbo Fisher. Coach, we're going to call you coach just so you know.

Speaker 1 We like to do that.

Speaker 1 We want to talk about everything, but

Speaker 1 we wanted to have you on to

Speaker 1 first and foremost talk about these playoffs and the national championship that's coming up. So we'll start there.

Speaker 1 What is it when you watch those semifinal games, and it could be Michigan or Washington,

Speaker 1 what jumped out to you at what they're doing that has gotten them to this point playing for a title on Monday night?

Speaker 9 You know, I mean, you start with Michigan.

Speaker 9 I mean, Michigan's ability to overcome, play hard, and I know their ability on the defensive line to control Alabama's offensive line was a little bit, it's not shocking, but I mean, I think it surprised some people.

Speaker 9 And I think their ability on defense to create the game and dictate the game. I thought Jesse mentor, you know, it's funny.
I know Jesse when he was a kid.

Speaker 9 I coached for his dad, Rick, for one year as the OC at Cincinnati. Me and Mike Tomlin were on staff there together.
And Jesse was a little kid running around there.

Speaker 9 It's funny how he's grown up and done such a great, I mean, how, I mean, they really did a heck of a job on defense. I mean, it was amazing.
McCarthy made the plays.

Speaker 9 They were able to be physical, made plays when they had to make it. And they, you know, they've got that it factor.
They're able to make the plays and do the things no matter what.

Speaker 9 And I think all the controversy has really bonded that group of guys and they're on a mission. When you watch Washington, I mean,

Speaker 9 same thing. Everybody doubts them.
They've been an underdog and everything they do.

Speaker 9 And I'm going to tell you what, nobody in college football has made more big plays and more big moments than Michael Penix has. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 9 Pennix is, I mean, their receivers are amazing. The offensive line's amazing.
But you got to have that quarterback to do the things in the big moments and the big times.

Speaker 9 And Pennix is absolutely amazing right now in the year he's had and the things he's done. And to me, I mean, maybe he's been the most consistent and best player in college football.

Speaker 9 And I don't take that in any disrespect to anybody else. But man, he just.
Every time they need something, he makes a play.

Speaker 1 Yeah. At the start of the Michigan game, they got off to a really, really slow start when I think McCarthy threw an interception on the first pass of the game.
It got overturned and brought back, but

Speaker 1 they seemed nervous. Both teams seemed nervous jumping into that game.

Speaker 9 What does it tell you about michigan that they were able to see that and then put that immediately behind them and then focus on winning i mean i think team once they settle down and people on a mission and you're i always say this some guys can get caught in the moment and they stay in the moment other guys can all right that's there i wash it behind me and it only matters what happens going forward and that's a very mature team a team that's driven a team that has very good leadership and from a coaching standpoint and a and a player standpoint because that's been like i said it's been a all your great teams are player-led player-led teams everybody says that you know that's a player-led team all your great teams are player-led teams they take the they take the messaging from the coaching to take it there and their ability to overcome adapt and then to create a last drive and then to dominate the overtime like they did was pretty amazing yeah yeah it was two two great games uh it's great that we have the playoff are you are you a fan of the 12 team playoff that we're gonna have next year i mean i i i definitely am yeah more football more fun well i think you're gonna have how many more think about this think about November now.

Speaker 9 All your games come at the end of the day. At the end of November now, there's what, six, eight teams that were really involved in a playoff, and that's all you're watching.

Speaker 9 Now you're going to have 25, 30 teams that are capable of getting in the playoff.

Speaker 9 And so I think the excitement of college football, because I'm a thing, I hate to say this, the four-team playoff to me wasn't as good as the BCS.

Speaker 9 I think the four team has been a letdown a little bit. And I say that because of how they set it up with having, you got five conference champions in only four spots.

Speaker 9 You created controversy off the bat.

Speaker 9 12 is going to clean it up a lot better in my opinion to be a lot better deal i think so i think as a fan of college football you want to see an expanded playoff i don't know do you think it's going to be are we going to see upsets in the first round of a 12-round playoff or 12-team playoff i think you will now i think here here's the thing about playoffs it it we're so different than pro football and the leagues never interact and never play each other if it is it's a one-game deal So you don't really know the significance of how good Washington is when they play an SEC team or an SEC team that goes and plays a Big Tens.

Speaker 9 You don't know how they're going to interact because, like in pro football, we get to see that regularly. In college football, you don't get to see that.
So I think you're going to see that.

Speaker 9 And I think what you don't do,

Speaker 9 the toll on those games and the injuries in those first rounds are going to lead to, I think, different teams in the background. Because now you only got to win one or two games.

Speaker 9 I mean, you know, play one or two games. Now the number of games is going to change that too.
Because I think injuries.

Speaker 9 And I think the teams that play in the tougher leagues are going to suffer more because you're going to have more, the toll on your body going the whole time is going to have a big impact in my opinion it's been funny to see you know the conference pride really comes out especially in the 14 playoff you got you got you know fans rooting for their conference almost what about you were you were you pulling for alabama coach yeah i was were you really i was pulling for alabama not just i mean i know nick and i have been together a long time and i know we everybody says we fight and argue and all that good stuff we did but that's like but we we came from the same area and we coached together and i you know and and i want him to win i did want him to win and not not anything against jesse but i wanted michigan to do well i I knew Jesse and them.

Speaker 9 But just I knew Nick and the guys and the local, you know,

Speaker 9 being in the league.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So speaking of Coach Saban, this year was weird for him because it felt like he had a downed team, but he then ended up back in the playoff.
What is it about his program?

Speaker 1 You obviously have been around him a long time,

Speaker 1 coached against him. What is it about Nick Sabin that makes it so that like a season that you feel like could get away, he's just always got him on track getting better every week?

Speaker 9 Well, I think he's built a culture and they've had success. And his word means that the players trust his word.
But to me, it's a consistent messaging. He never, he never gets too high.

Speaker 9 He stays, you know, he's a process-oriented guy, and that's what it's about. You've got to be process-oriented to be seen.

Speaker 9 All the people in the world that are successful that consistently do it are process-oriented and they stay in that process. And I think that's what it is.
And I think, you know, he's driven.

Speaker 9 I mean, he, you know, that's him, his competitive nature and what he does. And he was able to message those guys, but they bought in and where they really got better during the season.

Speaker 9 Millroe got better and the offensive line got better. And I think that's the thing that

Speaker 9 let him down in the end: is you know, the offensive line, the Michigan's defensive line got after him a little bit, but I think they're improving on the offensive line.

Speaker 9 And matter of fact, the quarterback grew up in the second half of our game. We were ahead at halftime, and he, you know, he threw, we held him to negative yards rushing.

Speaker 9 They had 20 yards rushing as a team, and he came out and threw for a bunch of yards.

Speaker 9 So, I mean, his development and what he did, but his, I think, consistent messaging is what's allowed him to be successful.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, who do you have in the championship game this year? You're going to give another piece of bulletin board material to one of these teams.

Speaker 9 Man, I tell you what, I want to study a little more. I mean,

Speaker 9 man, it's 6'1.5. I know Michigan's a favorite by four and a half.

Speaker 9 I think their defensive line, what they've been as a team, McCarthy's underrated athletically, moves around, makes more plays than people give him credit for.

Speaker 9 But I'm going to tell you, I go back to that other thing. When you got a quarterback that makes every play, it's going to be an interesting offensive line at

Speaker 9 Washington, which is really good. The receivers at Washington, which are really good, and the quarterback going against that defense is going to be one heck of a matchup.
And can,

Speaker 9 you know, Michigan established long drive, they're running the football and controlling that, keeping him off the field.

Speaker 9 It's going to be, it's really an interesting dynamic of how they play out, whose lines and who can, you know, Pennix may not get the opportunities he gets, you know, most games if Michigan can control the ball and run the football like they want to.

Speaker 9 So I think it's interesting, but I'm not picking against Michigan. I think it's going to be, I think it's a toss-up.
I really do.

Speaker 9 But man, when you got a quarterback like Pennix, but McCarthy is really good. That guy's only lost one game as a starter.
You know, it's like when Jameis was for us, Jameis was 27 and one.

Speaker 9 That was the only loss he ever had was for us. For that kid,

Speaker 9 that's four, you know, two of your top four all-time college football win leaders.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Is Jameis and McCarthy? And then the other two guys ahead of them

Speaker 9 a long time ago. And

Speaker 9 there's a knack. Both are winners.
So I think it's going to be a heck of a game. I don't have a decision yet.

Speaker 9 If I have more film to watch, I can tell you, but man, it's going to be fun to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we are are huge jameis fans uh we we love him we think he's just a breath of fresh air we want to see him get a starting job again in the nfl uh you obviously coached him in college uh well one one question i have is you know the time he came out in his full uniform when he was suspended what what did you say to him there that's one of my favorite because jameis just wants to play well here's the thing it wasn't his fault Oh, it was actually our equipment guy's fault.

Speaker 9 And here's what happened.

Speaker 9 His uniform was not supposed to be in his locker okay when he came down to the locker it was always said if your uniform's hanging in your locker you dress well for some reason i well see he was he was supposed to be suspended for a half of that game

Speaker 9 the night before the game the administration changed it to a full game ah okay the night before well the equipment guys didn't get that memo So they put his jersey, they put his uniform

Speaker 9 in his locker thinking he was going to play the second half when jameis came down he said all right if the uniform's in my locker i guess they want me to dress he was just going to go on the sideline and stand because the whole night before when he found that out he spent the whole time trying to get sean maguire ready jameis was fun to coach yeah he was maybe the smartest individual i ever coached and i don't know if teammate teammates actually loved him to death So when he came down, he just put the uniform on and went out to warm up instead of, you know, saying, I don't want to dress or be embarrassed.

Speaker 9 So he was doing it and was going to stand on the sideline. And actually, if we hadn't had the uniform in the locker room, he wouldn't have dressed.
So really, he got a bum wrap for that.

Speaker 9 And I walked out and I said, Jameis, you can't do that. And he said, yes, sir, and immediately ran in.
So it wasn't a big deal. So really, it wasn't his fault.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it just becomes a clip in social media.
And obviously, people are like, you know, I just assumed that Jameis just wants to play ball so bad.

Speaker 1 He's like, you know, I'm going to put on my uniform. He would.

Speaker 9 But he was the ultimate team guy. People have no idea.
Jameis, I'm going to tell you this as a player. He spent as much time with every walk-on on our team as he did every starter.

Speaker 9 He knew the equipment guys.

Speaker 9 He knew the janitors. He knew everybody in that building, spoke to him, was nice to him.
Never saw himself as a celebrity.

Speaker 9 Was always one of the guys and spent as much time with every walk-on on that team as he did with the starters on the team. Jameis never saw that about himself and was the greatest teammate around.

Speaker 9 and was the smart individual and prepared. His preparation was unbelievable.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you ever have to like dial him in during games? Because he does like to throw the ball around. He likes to take chances.
He likes to make great throws. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 It was called aggressive intelligence. You know, I said, you know, you got to be aggressive, but you got to be intelligent, know when to do it.

Speaker 9 And Jameis always, and there was a couple of times on the sideline he could animate it with. I didn't care.
Understand something. Here's how Jameis was.
I'll give you this as an example.

Speaker 9 If we practiced on Monday night and we did the basic things, and tomorrow we're going in the first down, second down, our shot plays, our short yardage goal line. And

Speaker 9 Wednesdays is red zone, tight zone, all your calls.

Speaker 9 The night before,

Speaker 9 he would go off the practice field. He would watch his film on his, on his laptop.
He would sit in there and watch film till about 9.30, 10 o'clock at night.

Speaker 9 And we left about 10, 10, 30 on those nights as a staff. I'd get a knock on the door about a half hour before I left.

Speaker 9 And he'd say, coach, I know tomorrow, say, for instance, tomorrow's third down day in red zone. He said, I like this, these five things on third and five, third and three to six.

Speaker 9 I like these on seven to ten, third and long. Red zone.
He would do it tonight. He said, I like these and give me a list of things I like.

Speaker 9 He said, If you see anything else, we'll go over tomorrow, whatever you see. This is what I see and what you see.

Speaker 9 So, our preparation and interaction, I gave him a lot of input in what we did, and we would communicate that way. And then he would go, and then the next day, so he was like a coach.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, he really was. I mean, he was like, and so we would on the sideline, we'd bicker about calls, and finally, I say, Jameis, that's enough.
He'd say, Yes, sir, and move on.

Speaker 9 But I, his preparation and time, people thought was disrespectful, it wasn't the amount of time he prepared and the things he did as a leader was

Speaker 9 undescribable, man. It really was.
And the players knew it. So we had, they were laughing at us.
They say, they said we act like an old married couple on the field in practice.

Speaker 9 We'd be arguing back and forth. And I'd say, all right.
And I'd say, you know what? It's good to be the king. I'm the boss.
Be quiet.

Speaker 1 That's great. Yeah.
I mean, he seems like that type of guy.

Speaker 1 So in terms of right now, there has to be a little small part of you that's like, obviously, you know, the ending in Tech Sam wasn't exactly what you wanted, but you probably are thinking like, it's not the worst to have like a little bit of break of the transfer portal, the NIL, because it feels like the change in college football, football coaches now, that job just never, ever stops.

Speaker 9 It's the last two to three years of this thing, it's been more change in college football than ever.

Speaker 9 It's unbelievable how this has transformed. And I tell somebody, and all right, in February, you can't have kids on campus.
In July, you can't. That's just an NCA rule.

Speaker 9 Every other weekend of every month of the year, you're working seven days a week every day. And you got recruits, you got people, you got, there's somebody on your campus and things going on.

Speaker 9 Our staff work every other weekend, except for those two months. I mean, so you basically 45 weekends a month around is what we work year round.
And it's changed. And then understand this.

Speaker 9 Think of the NFL was open free agency. And now they just passed the other rule that it's unlimited transfers.
It wasn't just one. Now it's unlimited.

Speaker 9 You know, you don't have to wait till you graduate. Think of every contract in the NFL right now was was negotiable.
I mean, it's unbelievable. And then people play tampering with players.

Speaker 9 I mean, college football right now, it needs a re it needs a commissioner. It needs a commissioner and we need to do this thing the right way.
And I've got a lot.

Speaker 9 I mean, and we, and go to get your 50 or 60 teams, whoever's going to be in Division I, make it more like an NFL league, intertwine your leagues of play a lot more so you can get a true playoff picture.

Speaker 9 and play it more like you do the NFL and do it the right way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who do you think would be good in that role?

Speaker 9 That's a good question. I mean, there could be a lot of guys.
It could be an ex-coach. I mean, an ex-commissioner that runs it.
I mean, a coach is going to do it, but a commissioner has done.

Speaker 9 I mean, I haven't thought that out. I mean, but you'd have to get some of your top commissioners in the world.
And I think some of your ex-top coaches or people who have been in it would be good.

Speaker 9 Somebody who really has an inner work and understand the inner workings of what we as coaches and what a program goes through is going to be the guy that has to do that.

Speaker 1 I'm going to throw a name out there. You might know this guy.
I believe he's from West Virginia as well, Oliver Luck.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, possibly it could i mean i i know of oliver i don't know oliver because i grew up right there outside of morgantown about 30 miles in clarksburg i'd say nick and i are about 15 miles apart right there through there but uh it's he would be a guy but you need somebody with a worldly that really gets it that understands it and you know maybe it's one of your commissioners that are out there now i don't know that you know what i'm saying but i mean it's it's this game people have no idea the stress that's on a staff right now and the amount of people you have to have to run an organization now.

Speaker 9 People who want to cut back are crazy because the amount of time you got to spend on the phone with recruits, with your own players, and the head coach's role, the head coaches that coach now, man,

Speaker 9 it's hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Because you're having to recruit your own players back and the relationships you're building, the ability to spend time going the day, interacting with them, calling, talking with families.

Speaker 9 It is, it's. It's so different now that's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I said it maybe a year or two ago, but I think a couple of teams have done it.

Speaker 1 But like every program, major college football program should have a GM, an actual GM who acts like a GM, like an NFL GM, where like you're helping and assisting the roster building and all that stuff, because I don't know how you can do both coaching and be a GM year-round.

Speaker 9 Well, your players though, as a coach, you can because

Speaker 9 they got to judge them, but you still got to prove them what you're playing and what you're doing with. But you got to have a GM who's, all right, these are our guys.
We're recruiting.

Speaker 9 This is what we do. We see the roster management this way.
There's no doubt. You have a GM.
We all hired him. We've been hiring hiring him for a long time.
Yeah. And you have to have him.

Speaker 9 And as the head coach, he's still got to have a good grasp and feel because what can happen there, just like an NFL, which I don't always, I mean, you got a GM and a head coach.

Speaker 9 They can't be one. I don't think you can do both, but they got to have an unbelievable working relationship.
Yeah. That relationship right there.

Speaker 9 And a guy you can trust who knows what you want in players, who know what the system is, who know what. the characteristics of people you want, all that.
It's a very important role now.

Speaker 9 And the amount of people you've got to hire, because you don't understand the amount of phone time

Speaker 9 to recruit 25 guys, you're starting at a thousand to 600. Then you're just winding that list down.
The amount of phone time you're spending on the phone communicating with those guys is unbelievable.

Speaker 9 Because as head coach, the coach has got to go coach at some point.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 So you've got to have a whole personnel department and groups that recruit freshmen, groups recruit sophomores, groups that recruit.

Speaker 9 Because if you're not recruiting the freshmen and sophomores right now, when you get an 80-year-old start to your juniors, they say, well, you didn't want me, you're out.

Speaker 9 So you have no idea the amount of time and amount of people you have to have behind the scenes to run your organization. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you got people leaking word to sliced bread on social media, putting all sorts of things out there. Slice bread,

Speaker 1 I'm going to just put this out there.

Speaker 1 I think sliced bread is probably a listener of this podcast, if I had to bet. So I'd like to give you the opportunity to directly address sliced bread and his report about Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 9 Here's what I'm going to tell you. The college football changed on a lie.
I'm going to write a book on this one day.

Speaker 9 i'm gonna write a book the now i wish i when he wrote those numbers i said my god where's it at i wish that would have happened yeah i really had all that i mean i'm gonna tell you this the amount of nil deals at a m at that time in all sports combined he said we are class of 35 million

Speaker 9 there was less than a million there was right at a million dollars for all sports combined yeah those you know that's why we that's what upset me so much about it is that not that all right you can insinuate all those things have always been said guys bob but you were insinuating the families of them.

Speaker 9 And I'm telling you, that was as far from the truth as anything was ever out there.

Speaker 9 And the whole, here's the here's the big thing: all of the media went and ran with that story as truthful without ever checking it. And I'm talking about the big dogs.

Speaker 9 Well, I'm talking about people we regarded as highly respected guys that college football chains don't lie. Well, I'm gonna write a book about it one day.

Speaker 1 You don't need to check it, it's sliced bread.

Speaker 1 He's the most reliable source out there. Sliced bread.
$85 million. That's written in stone.
Do you?

Speaker 9 It's just funny how all that goes, and everybody just says, oh, it's on the internet. It's good.

Speaker 9 It had to happen. And that is as far from the truth as ever.
And now it's turned into a zoo.

Speaker 1 Did you ever think you'd get to a point in your coaching career, speaking of the internet, where like your buyout is

Speaker 1 discussed every single day? Because it was, I mean, listen,

Speaker 1 your contract's your contract, so you should never apologize for the money you make.

Speaker 1 But it did become like this big big thing jimbo's buy it buy out people tweeting it people talking about it everyone knows it by by uh by the back of their hand like did you ever think you'd get to that point no see i honestly i don't have social media right believe that or not i

Speaker 9 tell me all the stuff we have to have and report it so i i mean it was but no i mean it's amazing I mean, but it doesn't surprise me. Anything on social media now?

Speaker 9 Anything to get a hit or get a thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, congrats on the buyout.
It's a great number. Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's a great number.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like coacho's reaction hey i'm not complaining yeah right right when coacho had to leave uh lsu his reaction was like when do you want me to leave and what door you want me to walk out of i'm sure you didn't want to you didn't want to finish your time at a m but at the same time

Speaker 1 you leave and you're like hey i can go play golf for a while yeah

Speaker 9 it's it's about success you want to have success you know and i still think we got it there was a heck of a team here and if we didn't have some injuries but we'll get into that later but here's what here's what i say about this for myself i'll be fine but here's what you hate about that all those people i were talking about, all the people in recruiting, all the support staff, that's the people when a changeover is made.

Speaker 9 I mean, you're talking about 50, 70, 75, 80 people that can lose jobs. Right.
You know what I'm saying? And the changeovers and everything that goes on, that's the people you're sad for. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, it really is. And I feel like we let I let them down because we're not there.
They were counting on me to have those jobs and they're not, they don't have multi-year contracts.

Speaker 9 Our coaches all had at least, they at least got one or two years left on a buyout. They're going to get jobs.
They'll be fine, at least be able to get on their feet.

Speaker 9 Those other guys who are on year-to-year contract, like we were when we first started coaching, we all coached on one-year contract. That's the people I feel bad for.

Speaker 9 And, you know, that you try to help out and make sure, try to find jobs all over the place for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So tough business for them.
So

Speaker 1 you obviously, I mean, I would assume you're going to get the itch to coach again at some point. You're not, you're not an old guy in terms of coaching terms.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Are you going to are you going to let it settle for a little bit and then be like, all right, where are my options?

Speaker 9 Yeah, exactly right. I'm going to let it settle right now.
A good thing I'm going to do is spend some time with my family.

Speaker 9 I actually got to see see my son play his last four high school football games. I got to the state semifinals.

Speaker 9 It was great, you know, because you're missing that all the time, working on our foundation for kids first fund and all those things. But just get to spend some time with them and in normal life.

Speaker 9 And I mean, it does feel weird because you were working, you know, 14, 18-hour days every day and you wake up and you go, what do I want to do today? And I said, whatever the hell I want.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It's nice.

Speaker 1 That's nice.

Speaker 9 That's a way that's a weird deal. I mean, it really is.
But, you know, eventually that time and what you do, you want to get back into it and get the right situation and get back in coaching.

Speaker 1 And now you have the

Speaker 1 great line. Whenever you do, you know, coach again, you can be like, my wife told me I had to go get a job.
That's like, I feel like that's every coach. She's like, I spent some time with my family.

Speaker 1 Then she told me, this is enough time. You got to go get a job.

Speaker 9 Exactly right. In fact, I can say, everybody says, am I fine? I said, I'm fine.
It's the people around me who are struggling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 9 He kept putting up with me every day. We only had to do it for about an hour or two a day.
Now they're having to do it all day.

Speaker 1 Were you blindsided by the dismissal this year? Did you see this coming at all?

Speaker 9 No, I mean, you don't ever see it coming because I still thought, you know, we were playing well. We had a great game.

Speaker 9 We're going to hope to finish out well, probably eight and four or so, have a chance to go eight, four, nine, and four, win nine games. And we had the injuries that happened.

Speaker 9 So, I mean, you, you, because I really think the team we had coming and what we had going was going to be a really good football team. But, you know, hey, that's it.
That's their, that's their choice.

Speaker 9 That's what they make. I wish them the best.
And I hope those kids have success.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now that you're no longer at AM, maybe you can answer this question freely.
Be honest, do the young leaders, do they creep you out a little bit?

Speaker 9 No, they're good. They're great.
I mean, I'm going to tell you something now. Those guys are, they work their tails off.
And the conditioning they're in, the amount of push-ups and things they do,

Speaker 9 I mean, I always tell our players, we've got to be as good a condition as the yellow leaders, man. Those guys work their buzz off.
They're good guys. Yeah.
They really are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I wanted

Speaker 1 the name Jimbo.

Speaker 1 As far as I could tell, it was because you were named Jim and there was too many Jims already in your family. Is that correct?

Speaker 9 Yeah, my real name's John. Oh, oh, John James.
I got John James. I'm a junior, John James Fisher Jr., but you're right.
So my dad was called Jim, Big Jim. I had an uncle, Jim, Jimmy Lee.

Speaker 9 And there was another, and there was Jims and Big Jim, Jimmy Lee, Jim.

Speaker 9 So my aunt one day, I'll tell you a funny story. This is a true story.
I was in the first grade

Speaker 9 and I went to school. So every school teacher calls you by your real name.

Speaker 9 So the first month of school, I got whipped, put in the corner, got in trouble every day for about three to four weeks.

Speaker 9 So my aunt, who actually named me Jimbo,

Speaker 9 was the secretary to the principal at the school.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 my

Speaker 9 school, my teacher finally, after

Speaker 9 going to,

Speaker 9 went up to her and said, my aunt's name was Juanita. She said, Juanita, I think

Speaker 9 your nephew, John, I think he's either defiant and won't listen, or he has a hearing. I think he truly has a hearing problem.

Speaker 9 He will not communicate with me. And my aunt just kept working.
And she said, one evening, I'm talking to you. She said, who are you talking about? She said, your nephew, John, he won't listen to me.

Speaker 9 She said, try calling him Jimbo. So she started calling me Jimbo.
I never got in trouble again. I never knew she was talking to me.

Speaker 1 That's incredible. I had no idea she was talking to me.
I had no idea she was talking to me. That's a true story.
That's great.

Speaker 9 Because they called me, but she named me Jimbo when I was two and it just stuck.

Speaker 1 And I saw there was an internet hoax a while back where people said that your actual nickname was Slim Jimbo because all you would eat was Slim Jims when you were a kid. I wish that were true.

Speaker 1 I wish that were true.

Speaker 1 Me too.

Speaker 9 Now, here's, you know, where the Slim Jim stuff came from and all the,

Speaker 9 my son, all right, here's social media. Here you go.
Here, here's another social media. My son, Trey, my oldest son.

Speaker 9 He made up a fake account and all these things. He was, he was about 12, 10 or 12, figuring it all out.
And I was all, you know, people, so they said, give me something about your dad.

Speaker 9 He made up this false narrative that i was going to own a want to own a uh uh beef jerky family and and wanted that one of the company of that that was what i ultimately wanted to do in a slim so all that stuff came from my son making it up on social media that's great that's great

Speaker 9 about 12 and i kept getting well you know and the male fans started sending me all this beef jerky the slim gems and all this stuff i'm going why i i thought to myself why in the hell is everybody sending me all this stuff i mean that's great i don't mind it but i got to then and my son son laughing one day, he said, look, look, he said, he pulled up his social media.

Speaker 9 He was like 12 and he showed it to me. He made up all this whole false narrative of all these things I liked and what I wanted.
So the fans were sending me all this stuff and he just made it all up.

Speaker 1 So if you were to own a food processing company, what kind of snack would it be?

Speaker 9 Oh, Lord. I don't know what it'd be.
Maybe it would be food processing.

Speaker 9 Maybe it would be some kind of Slim Jim factory or something. It'd be some kind of beef jerky.
It'd be deer jerky. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some kind of deer jerky. There you go.
So can you describe what you're uh it might be too early to know exactly where you want to go but what would be your ideal type of next job

Speaker 9 well i mean just i mean a job where you can win it i mean and play and and and and have be competitive and win championships and win games and like we did at florida state like we did here and it was still through 2020 until we had the injury we had to we got you know i always say this i thought in 2020 we were truly the second best team in the country.

Speaker 9 You know, it's funny they, at that time,

Speaker 9 at A ⁇ M in 2020, we were the only one lost team in the history of the sec never make the playoff yeah because with an all sec schedule yeah we re we ended up being ranked fifth and they let ohio state in with six wins and notre dame who lost the conference championship just like georgia did and got out because see i said like going to playoffs this year if you want to pick the best four teams georgia still one of those teams yeah yeah i mean if you want to get down and you get down and and florida state should have been the play i know it it didn't go i'm i'm an advocate of they went undefeated they deserve to be in it but but you know that whole dynamic of the way, you know, that went.

Speaker 9 But I want to go somewhere you can win and be successful, which is a lot of programs out there and do it. Just you can recruit and have fun.
Because I still love working with the kids.

Speaker 9 I love recruiting and the coaching part of this game. I still love, I know it's, it's changed, but I still love it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were, we were big advocates for Florida State.

Speaker 1 If you win all your games, like those kids, you tell them at the beginning of the season, hey, win your games, and you have a chance to compete for a national title.

Speaker 1 I don't care injuries and all that. That should be what sport is about.

Speaker 9 Well, I mean, it's about what you do between the white. Every time you're in sports, sports, it's about overcoming whatever you got to overcome.

Speaker 1 Yep. They did that.

Speaker 9 They only got bonus points for it, not taken away. We're not figure skating.

Speaker 9 This isn't figure skating. You know what I mean? It's not judgmental.
And if you want to judge mental, I think Georgia's one. I mean, and we said, well, Alabama shouldn't have got in.

Speaker 9 Well, let me ask them.

Speaker 9 I mean, I know Texas beat them, but you put, everybody talking about, you bet two one-loss teams ahead of them. How many, you're not just one.

Speaker 9 You put two one-loss teams ahead of an undefeated team, an ACC champion, which I is whether they won or not they deserve the right to be in they earned the right to be in it and that's the thing about sports what you do between the white lines and Texas beat Alabama when Alabama wasn't very good Alabama was a much better team now I'm not saying so

Speaker 9 I know it was head-to-head but they also lost to Oklahoma who lost the UCF or Oklahoma State right I mean so there's that's why I say the four team what I don't like about it They said if you look at the college playoff, here's the thing I had a problem with.

Speaker 9 If you look at the rules and how it's set up, it was set up that they could do whatever they wanted to do with it.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 9 You know what I'm saying? It wasn't a cut and dry thing. That's why I said the BCS and the computer was actually better than what we had now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Because it's turned into an opinion poll.

Speaker 9 I mean, and what we did, and it was wrong with Florida State, it was wrong. And to have five conferences and four guys getting a playoff, what sense does that make?

Speaker 1 That was the whole thing.

Speaker 1 From the get-go was flawed.

Speaker 9 Yep. It was flawed from the get-go.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I think no one would have had a problem if it was four, if it was, you know, four conferences and every conference champion just goes.

Speaker 1 Because then you play it in between the white lines, and it's like that's how it works. But but you know, but that's the other thing I'm too, too.

Speaker 9 We got to do something with this, but I'm a historian of football.

Speaker 9 I wanted the history of these bowl games to mean something, and it's sad to watch.

Speaker 9 I mean, the teams that have the guys that play or have young teams, it's it's great because there's nothing like, I don't care going to a bowl game and the bowl experience for those kids is tremendous.

Speaker 9 And what we've done to the bowl system is sad.

Speaker 1 It is, yeah, a lot of opt-outs. And I understand it from their perspective, though.
If you're a player, well, I understand from the players' perspective, but what we do college football-wise,

Speaker 9 even when there was only two games, you know, two teams, the bowl games meant a lot more. Yeah.
I mean, for a team to go win an Orange Bowl, I will go win a Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 9 If you're not in, you know, if that's not one of the playoffs thing, that's a big deal. I remember sitting as a kid dreaming I could ever coach in one or play in one or, you know, and it's

Speaker 9 a shame, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's one of those things where like 30 years from now, we're going to look back and explain the system that we had.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, at the end of the season, if your team was above 500, they played some other random school in

Speaker 1 a stadium sponsored by a lawnmowing company. And we're going to be like, wait, what?

Speaker 1 What does that have to do with football? But yeah, no, that's why I'm excited about the 12-team playoff because it's

Speaker 1 better.

Speaker 9 I definitely do.

Speaker 1 Meaningful football. But I guess the more important question of BCS or a college football playoff, which trophy do you prefer? Because there's a correct answer to this.

Speaker 9 Which trophy? And what we're going to do, I'm missing myself.

Speaker 1 The actual action

Speaker 1 of the trophy. The crystal ball that they used to have,

Speaker 1 or the new one, which is more of like a Lombardy type trophy. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Which everyone makes you the champion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, because the crystal ball trophy was the best trophy. It was.
Of course.

Speaker 9 I don't think there's any doubt. I liked it.
I mean, I liked it because I got to hold it up once.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. It's a great trophy.
Right.

Speaker 1 So we just had a holiday season. In your house, is there a rule now? Like, hey, Christmas tree can't go out on the curb until like January 1st.
We got to make sure.

Speaker 1 That's a funny story.

Speaker 9 We had already put the christmas tree out when that happened and so everybody was looking for something i had did it before i ever made the decision to even leave florida state was everybody's looking into everything again and uh i i thought it was cute but yeah yeah we have From now on, I'm going to have to be aware of that.

Speaker 9 So if I have to change, I'm going to make sure we keep them in until after I go somewhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to just make sure the Christmas tree stays in till January 1st just to be safe because you don't want it.

Speaker 1 That was just peak college football message board, just everyone looking for something. It was, I mean, we're fans of the sport and like that is part of the sport.

Speaker 1 It's the storylines and all that stuff.

Speaker 9 But listen, that's why so many people are passionate about it. So many people love it.
That's what makes it so great.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the flight tracking is one of my favorite things, too, where guys on message boards, they track the tail numbers of the jets and they can figure out which coach is going to interview for which job.

Speaker 1 So you got to be all over that because I know that they're going to be watching planes going in and out of your hometown.

Speaker 9 You know what somebody ought to do is get about six planes there and take them all off at once and go six different directions, see where everybody goes.

Speaker 1 It's more like the president when they get into the one limousine and then the decoys go elsewhere. Exactly.

Speaker 9 You're a witness protection.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm curious, from your perspective, what is it about West Virginia that makes for good coaches?

Speaker 9 I'm a genuine, the genuine people. Listen, coaching is about one thing.
It's about relationships.

Speaker 9 You can say it all you want, your knowledge, but you've got to have a relationship and people got to know you're genuine. There's got to be an honesty to you.

Speaker 9 And I think listen, West Virginia people are real people.

Speaker 9 There's, listen,

Speaker 9 their pride is in West Virginia virtues. no proteins.
People are genuine. They're honest.
They're tough. And I mean, it's a hard living.
I mean, listen, my dad, I'll never forget this story.

Speaker 9 I was about 12 years old. Now I was 10 or 11 years old.
And in that smart, Ellic routine. My dad was a coal miner.
Matter of fact, he was blown up in a coal mines when I was two.

Speaker 9 He was in the hospital for six months and went back. After he was out for two years, he went back to the coal mines again and worked.
I mean, it was.

Speaker 9 If you're going to make money, that's where you work.

Speaker 9 That or a glass factory or something. It was a blue-collar state.
And I was a real, I was real smart. I was real being a smart about 11, 12 years old, thought I knew all the answers.

Speaker 9 And he grabbed me. He had a way of doing things.
Now, I guess they put you in jail for it. He said, you know, I was wanting to, I don't want to do schoolwork.
I ain't doing this. He said, all right.

Speaker 9 He grabbed me right by the back of the neck and my hair. Got hair neck.
If your dad ever did that, drugged me up the hill, threw me in a truck and said, come on. We went to the coal mine.

Speaker 9 We went to the coal mine. We got in a buggy, went a mile and a half down.

Speaker 9 He said, all right, get out.

Speaker 9 But I had him. I'll do this.
I started, you know, know, this is what you're worried about about 30 minutes. I said, you know, dad, this ain't very funny.

Speaker 9 He said, you're either going to get an education, son, or this is what you're going to be doing the rest of your life. You got two choices.
You know what I'm saying? And I said, you know what?

Speaker 9 I'm going to get my education. And ball was a big thing.
Sports is a big thing there. They love it.
And it's blue-collar people. It's honesty.

Speaker 9 So I think the relationships you build, you're genuine, you're tough.

Speaker 9 People in West Virginia tell you like it is. Don't ask them a question if you don't want the answer.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Straight up. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's just the way it is. It's the people they are.
Ball is important. And I didn't want to bounce.
I didn't want to work in the coal mines. And I love ball.
We grew up loving it.

Speaker 9 And you know what's funny? All right. I live in Card outside of Card Little Town called Glen Falls, Little Community, Little Coal Mine Community.
Nick lived in Mononga, which is a coal mine.

Speaker 9 You know who lives seven miles right in between us where he's from and was born and raised?

Speaker 9 John McKay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 So you had him in a fielding Yost who won six national championships at the beginning of the 1900s with Michigan, lived about 15 or 20 miles in Grafton from on the other side, from a fair view on the other side.

Speaker 9 He was right in. So all of us, it's funny, within about a 25-mile radius, there's like 18 national championships.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. It's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 It is crazy. But I think we love ball.
There's genuine, there's a toughness to the people there. There's an honesty to them.
And you get what you get. And guys want to blur.
We love ball. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I don't know. I mean, just always loved it.

Speaker 1 Cradle of coaches.

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Speaker 1 I had one guy that we had to ask about because I think that time is not like remembering him for his greatness as much as it should. And it's Bobby Bowden.

Speaker 1 He was like, if you look at the schedule, if you look at the years that he stacked up where it was just 11-win season after 11-win season, it really is incredible what he accomplished.

Speaker 1 So what is it, what was it about Bobby Bowden that you learned or that was special about him that made him such a great, great coach?

Speaker 9 First, let me say that I was so blessed to be there. Their family took me in like a son.
I played for Terry and I got to go spend time. When they would go visit Florida State, they would take me.

Speaker 9 Now I was playing and coached. I would stay at your house.
I would stay at Bobby's house and go to practice. I would go to bowl games.
They would get me a room.

Speaker 9 When I was the OC at Sanford, I was 23 or 24 at the time. We went to the national playoffs.

Speaker 9 I remember going to the year I got the job, they would play in Penn State in the block basketball, Put me in a room when I got to go listen to Coach Bowden organize a meeting all week, just sitting at back, listening to him call games with a headset on.

Speaker 9 I would sit and not be able to talk and just listen to him call plays. But Bobby was genuine.
He was honest. He was the most,

Speaker 9 I think he's the greatest person that ever walked the sideline. I don't mean that in any disrespect to anybody else.

Speaker 9 He was such a godly man, who he was every day, what he did every day, the things he did, the role he played. And I'm going to tell you this.
In today's time, Bobby,

Speaker 9 to make Florida State from 87 to 2000, they went 14 straight years being in the top five and won 10 or more games when he was only playing 11. That was that run from 1987 till then.

Speaker 9 If you remember from 1980 to 86, you know, he lost six in a row to Florida.

Speaker 9 And he only beat Miami once or twice. And he had never had a record better than 9-3 as he built Florida State.
And that was after he went to two Orange Bowls in 79 and 80 80 with Ron Simmons.

Speaker 9 You may not even be coaching today's world because they get rid of those six, and he had to establish Florida State as a winner. And it took him time.

Speaker 9 He was seven and four, eight and three, and he took those years. But then once 87 hit and on, and the 79 and 80 teams were great teams.
They played back-to-back Orange Bowls, but he took off and won.

Speaker 9 But Bobby was the most genuine, honest person, and he had things in perspective. It was God, family, and ball.
And I was so blessed to have been around him and learned how to do things the right way.

Speaker 9 He could sit sit with you and be with you for five minutes and you think you knew him for 10 years. Yeah.
And the most, he never put himself above you. He knew who he was.

Speaker 9 He never, who he was as a human being. He was God first, family second, ball third.
And that's sad. Like, I'll take, you're right.
I'll say something to kids that coach Bowden. Who's that coach?

Speaker 9 I mean, we forget so quick in our society. about how successful.
I got one at the time was the winningest coach in college football history.

Speaker 9 380-some games and national championships and and played for so many and did it at a school that didn't have very i mean florida state wasn't a football rich school never even started playing football like they're 48 or 49 it was all it was a girls school till then believe it or not and what he did to me he did more at that school and what he accomplished than any man in the history of college football and he was the best gentleman that ever did it a winner to me he's the best i mean the top coach of that person i've ever been around and his family what jeff terry tommy just all his family and his his kids, they treated me like a brother and a son.

Speaker 9 And I was so blessed to be at early ages with him. And you're right.
People don't appreciate what Bobby Bowden did and who he was as a human being, who he was as a coach and what he meant.

Speaker 9 And man, he was fun to call game. When I got the coach with him and be around him, he could call any play on any down and distance, man.
He would let it fly. And he had the guts.

Speaker 9 I mean, just like the fumble rooski.

Speaker 9 When you're fourth and 10 in a tie game with a minute and a half, with a minute 50 to go, at Clemson on your own 20, and he hit the fumble, you know, he hit the punt rooski that won that game and won an ass.

Speaker 9 I mean, things he did. He was an amazing coach, amazing person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a great point, too, about like how quick coaches get fired these days. Because you do look at it and it's like, yeah, that 86 season, he went 7-4-1.

Speaker 1 They probably would have been like, oh, it's not working.

Speaker 9 Well, in 85, he was 9-3.

Speaker 9 And 84, he was 7-2-2. And 83 was 7-4.
And then when the Peach Bowl, 9-3. And 82, 81, he was 6-5, didn't go to a bowl game.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 And then you wouldn't make it. And they let him keep going.

Speaker 9 And in 87, you know, all of a of a sudden, you know, and he established how to win somewhere they teach him somewhere how to have never won at that level. He did it in 70, 70.
Here's a bad thing.

Speaker 9 He did it at 79, 80. He had two great years, then had five or six years that were just good, but not great.
You'd fired a guy today. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? And then let him establish himself.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's just, but he listen, he did more with less. And what he did was.
He's an amazing man, amazing coach.

Speaker 9 I was so blessed to be able to be around him and see how things were supposed to be done right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I have one last, last question here for you. What is the best? Who is the best player that you've ever coached? You can't say Jameis.
Oh, my God. Because we just talked about Jameis.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put Jameis in his own category, but you've coached a lot of good ones.

Speaker 9 Oh, my God. I mean, you're talking about Derwin James.
You're talking about Jalen Ramsey. You're talking about Timmy Jerry.
You're talking about Dalvin Cook. You're talking about, I mean,

Speaker 9 tell me, Rashad Green is a guy. in Florida State history that never got the credit.
He's the all-time lead receiver in ACC history, yards and touchdowns and catches. It's Rashad Green.

Speaker 9 I mean, then you go back to my LSU days. I mean, Whitworth and Spears and Clayton, and I mean, and John, I mean, just the quarter by Rohan David, you marcus.
I mean, man,

Speaker 9 I can't say that. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, like, LaMarcus Joyner, yeah, Kelvin Smith, those guys on that, I'm gonna tell you this.
People don't appreciate this.

Speaker 9 The 2013 team at Florida State, do you realize it's the biggest point differential in college football history that teams have played at least 10 games?

Speaker 9 Before that, the Army had like nine games and won by 52 points.

Speaker 9 That that 2013 team won by 39.5 points a game that's crazy millis you broke the offensive record that year beat us by one point and total points scored in the season but had one more game and we had jameis out at five games at halftime but we averaged 51 seven or eight and gave up 12.

Speaker 9 and you did lamarcus joyner

Speaker 9 telvin smith timmy jernigan i mean Devontae Freeman. I mean,

Speaker 9 I've been able to be around so many unbelievable football players. I mean, Ronald Darby, PJ Williams, Jalen Ramsey, Derwin James.
I mean, Dalvin, I mean, it's just

Speaker 9 Carlos Williams. I mean, just, you know, and then AM guys, I've been around some phenomenal, I mean, had great players at AM.
I mean, Fabian Williams, people forget he ran 1,700 yards for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Eric McCoy is a center. I mean, our quarterback.

Speaker 9 People don't give our quarterback, I mean, the credit he did in the 2020 season. I mean, what he was able to be able to do

Speaker 9 that season was unbelievable and how he played and the season he had and

Speaker 9 what he did. So, I mean, I've been blessed to have so many of them.
And it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 That was a great example of just guys naming dudes. Yeah, that was an all-time list of people.
All the dudes put out there. Didn't mention T.
Bob A. Bear, I noticed.

Speaker 9 I didn't coach him.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
But you would have saw someone there.

Speaker 9 I mean, you had Whitworth, Spears. I mean, Laville, I mean, you go, I mean, you know, the corners, Corey Webster, Travis Daniels, Randall.
I mean, you'd go through that whole thing.

Speaker 1 You guys naming dudes. I love it.
It's a great

Speaker 1 list.

Speaker 9 I mean, it was just, it was unbelievable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, Coach, thank you again. This has been such, so much fun.
We appreciate your time. Yeah, anytime, guys.

Speaker 9 Y'all got a great show, man. I love your show.
It's good.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Yeah, we'll definitely have you back on next season, as long as you're not coaching.
But maybe if you're coaching, too, we'll still have you back on.

Speaker 9 It don't matter. Whatever.

Speaker 1 We'll have some fun. All right.
Thanks so much, Jimbo. See you, Jimbo.

Speaker 9 See you guys. Have a great day.
And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest recurring guest he is uh an nfl football player also a podcaster he's a eight-time pro bowler it is cam jordan how you doing cam thanks for joining us and and and welcome back yeah i appreciate you have me uh back on i mean i'm i'm doing okay I mean, I can't say I'm doing phenomenal, but we started off, you know,

Speaker 10 we ended 2023 on a great way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 1 we're going to either run this, we're doing less shows this week, so we might run it after week 18, but we're taping this before week 18. But I actually wanted to start with that.

Speaker 1 It is right before week 18. How is the body feeling? And

Speaker 1 I actually kind of want to just know because we obviously watch the sport and we know, like, oh, everyone's dinged up this time of year. But we kind of just throw it off to the side.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, you got to get out there and play. How bad is it, though, at this point of the year where you're like, my body is just broken?

Speaker 10 I think my body's finally about to be healed. Oh,

Speaker 10 if that makes more sense. Like

Speaker 10 we had bi-week, what is that? Like week 11?

Speaker 10 Week 12?

Speaker 10 A while ago. And, you know, you get that body back.
You're like, yes, let's go. It's time to go play.

Speaker 10 We play Atlanta and in Atlanta game, you know, a pileup happened and I end up on the wrong side of pileup. End up with a high ankle sprain, tore some ligament in my shin-ish.

Speaker 10 ankle area and uh the uh sinesmosis and i still like i had to look it up 17 times because i had no idea what that even meant.

Speaker 10 And then I was like, you know, they're like, hey, we're going to rehab this. You may be down this week.
Something. I was like, nah, I don't go down.
I was like, no, I'm playing this.

Speaker 10 Ended up playing and added on a nice little like low ankle to it. So I've been thugging it out like the last five weeks with a high end, low ankle spraying on the left, left leg.

Speaker 10 You know, I was like, yo, I was like, anything for a team win, I was like, if I, if I feel like, if you guys feel like I'm in the best position to help this team win, I'm on the field.

Speaker 10 And so I've just been, you know, relegated to first and second downs, stopping the run. You know what that does to

Speaker 10 a defensive end's like identity uh of hey you i i i like to rush the passer as well

Speaker 1 just get out there and

Speaker 10 i did did not know that would have been my you know you never know yeah so didn't know that would have been the last time i was like able to really bend a corner up until this past weekend i finally been to corner and was like

Speaker 1 I can push off again. Yeah.
That's crazy that you played your way back into shape by playing a violent sport.

Speaker 1 We were talking about that earlier this season with Joe Burrow when he had kind of an ankle, lower leg injury, and he played his way back into shape.

Speaker 1 Were you like getting healthier throughout games? Like, could you feel getting stronger?

Speaker 1 Because me, if I have an ankle sprain and I take like two steps, if I like get up to go take a piss, I'm like, I got to go sit down. I just aggravated my ankle.

Speaker 1 But you were actually like making improvements.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I was like, I was like working my way like Monday through Saturday, whatever it takes to be like, all right, well, I'm in a boot until practice.

Speaker 10 Then right after practice, i'm back in a boot hey what whatever this takes i'm in ice rehab you know doing all the electric stim whatever it takes you know what whatever it is i'm like hey you know going out nah i don't need it i was like hey family events hey hey look i'm on this ice and ice and rehab ice rehab rest elevation

Speaker 10 the combination right um and then sunday play and i wouldn't say get better probably reset you back a couple days it's crazy like right after the game back in the boot monday through saturday re you know redo the whole situation And then finally this week, I was like, I'm out of the boot by Thursday.

Speaker 10 What's up?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it sounds like you're feeling a little bit better. Are we feeling good enough to play next year too? Or where are we at with that?

Speaker 10 That's a no-brainer, bro. I think, I mean, I've never had this low of a sack total in my career since like rookie year.
I'm already in my villain arc.

Speaker 10 I'm headed into my revenge season.

Speaker 10 I've got, yeah, absolutely. I mean, black and gold is the only way I'll ever really play football, anyways.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 So, you know, like,

Speaker 10 I'm playing this and I'm already spurned. I'm like, I'm spurned already.

Speaker 1 Spurned.

Speaker 1 I like that. Comeback player of the year next year.
So,

Speaker 1 speaking of like, you know, your career, you've been playing for a very long time. You're, you know, 34.

Speaker 1 And don't take disrespect to it because I would assume this happens to every player where, you know, the step is maybe a tiny bit slower, but how much now are you getting by on instinct and knowing the game better than you did maybe when you were younger?

Speaker 1 Because I love seeing players who can still play at a good, high level at 30s, and you're like, no, they're just savvier than everyone out there.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, I mean, I've always loved my ability to rely on, like, hey, I went to Cal. You know, like, we're, we're actually smarter people.
Um, so,

Speaker 10 but just you add that on with experience, and naturally, you understand how to break down film, you know, what the nature of the game is. And luckily, you know, I came into this league at like,

Speaker 10 you know, they said I was 287, but you look at my rookie film and Fluffy Cam in a Reebuck jersey was, oh, you know, three, I was Miami area code, you know,

Speaker 1 I'd have been 305.

Speaker 10 I get it. I get it, you know? So I lost some weight, probably gained an extra step or two, and I don't see myself slowing down.

Speaker 10 But even if I am slowing down a step, I've never relied on those first two, two steps anyways. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I've always been hand combat active and ready to get in, ready to put work in.

Speaker 10 So honestly, i i love the idea that i could be slowing down because if i'm slowing down this just makes everybody else look slower yeah and and do you do you notice though in a game where there'll be let's say a handful of plays where you're like oh i just knew it was going to happen because i've been doing this for so long and like there was nothing they could do to stop me there because i just i can anticipate better than the guy across from me facts there i mean there's the there's always going to be plays like that there's always going to be a series you're like oh oh i see i see what they did here they got this condensed formation and you've got you know this offset running back whatever it is I'm not going to, you know, allude to it, but there was, there's a play against Tampa Bay.

Speaker 10 You know,

Speaker 10 you line up, you, you look at the formation, you're like smiling, getting down into the stance. You're like, yeah, I'm wrecking this shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's, that must be the best feeling. Just knowing that.
Yeah, and then you, then you fall off the TFL.

Speaker 10 So then what does it matter?

Speaker 1 You know, you're like,

Speaker 1 that's great.

Speaker 10 That's why players make plays too. Like, but you slow them down.

Speaker 10 It was in the backfield immediately trying to tackle

Speaker 10 what's the running back, White? Yeah.

Speaker 10 He slips through.

Speaker 1 peep warner comes down smacks him so it's it's still a tfl you know like it's a cause tfl my way yeah not the same feeling as a tfl for me yeah what are your your thoughts on the hip drop tackle and and the discourse surrounding the hip drop tackle because i'll tell you right now on this show i don't think that there is such a thing as a hip drop tackle i've never even heard of the terminology hip drop tackle we need to find out who came up with that phrase probably warren sharp probably warren sharp somebody's trying to make a name for themselves it's just tackling somebody it's tackling somebody using your body weight it's making a tackle from behind, which is, there's only a couple ways to hit somebody if you're tackling them from behind.

Speaker 10 I thought it would just been the competition committee. Yeah.
Because it's got to be a panel of guys that never played football and knows all the analytics.

Speaker 10 That always like, they always implement two or three rules that like strap a defensive in or strap a defensive player. It's like, oh, you can't, you know, no tugging on the whatever.

Speaker 10 No, you know, any slapping any part of the helmet is now a part of a face masking situation. You're like, bro, who made some of these rules? You know, like, you can't hit a quarterback low.

Speaker 10 You can't hit him too high. You know, you can't hit a wide receiver who's defenseless, although he's already caught a ball and he just hasn't whipped his head around to lock eye confirmation.

Speaker 10 Some point, I just figured at some point in the next year or two, you're going to have, I'm going to have to ask permission to hit a hit an offensive player. Like, hey, I'm running full speed.

Speaker 10 Do you mind if I?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't land on a quarterback. Like, do we seen that? You can't land on a quarterback.
Yeah. It's crazy.

Speaker 10 In fact, there was a play Tampa Bay game. Tyre Tyra Matthews hits Baker Mayfield and they called it a late hit.
He's within two steps, balls thrown. Like that's a regular hit.

Speaker 10 In any era except for today's era, that's a clean hit.

Speaker 10 In fact, you know, if you would have took this to the 2000s when I was growing up watching guys like The Freak and, you know, Julius Peppers, young Julius Peppers, you'd be like, bro.

Speaker 10 like they that was something you probably chew them out for like why didn't you hit him harder right and now it's like hey did you put a pillow down and read him a bedtime story before you laid him down ever so softly on a bed of of crumpled leaves or something.

Speaker 10 You know, like, it's true.

Speaker 10 Give a quarterback a flag.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like that.

Speaker 1 My favorite is when a player tackles a quarterback and on the way down, they like take their arms off him to show, like, hey, I'm trying not to land with my entire body weight on them.

Speaker 1 And they still get a flag for it.

Speaker 10 No doubt. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's, you know, it's, it's a, it's a league that's always loved their offense. You knew that.
It's all, it's all about points.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 10 I'm sure, I'm sure fantasy, probably, fantasy football probably like

Speaker 10 probably has a say in this in my mind.

Speaker 10 I don't know anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just play the game. It's just the best of my abilities and let it lay where it lays.

Speaker 1 You get a store player that gets hurt, and then they look at that tackle and they say, We need to take that tackle out of the game because we can't have responses.

Speaker 10 And that's a hip drop tackle. I'm like,

Speaker 10 has anybody ever, from pee-wee ball to high school ball to college to the pros, ever referred to it as, oh, yeah, got a hip-drop tackle, that guy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it's true. I can tell, though, you do miss, you still miss sacking Matt Ryan.
He must have been so fun to hit.

Speaker 10 Man, oh, he was, he was good to me over the years.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 You know, I miss him dearly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 10 it's just, it's just, you know, one of those, one of those people that'll always have a special place. Like 30 years from now, they'll be like, hey, Cam, do you remember?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that guy, Matt Ryan, that great, great, kind man,

Speaker 10 good, good family man. Hit him a lot back in the day.

Speaker 1 Like, can't wait for those days.

Speaker 10 You know,

Speaker 10 when it's all said and done and my grandkids are looking at me like, dad, you used to play, your your grandpa used to play football yeah there was this guy he knew me really well yeah right

Speaker 1 we used to meet a couple times a year the uh so speaking of which um what quarterback would you say has the best pocket awareness that you've played against so maybe not like you know elusiveness where they can you know rip off a 50-yard run but just for some reason they feel like they always have eyes in the back of their head and they they're able to anticipate everything coming their way

Speaker 10 man um i think lamar is lamar is up up there. And I played him two years, two years ago, last season? Maybe last season.

Speaker 10 Lamar is up there.

Speaker 10 I think

Speaker 10 Bake, the way he played this last game,

Speaker 10 we played him.

Speaker 10 He was quite aware that we were surrounding him. I mean, he was trying to get out of there.
I think we could have had probably four sacks on him.

Speaker 10 We left with two. I fell off one.
I think they called a face mask on Brian Bazee.

Speaker 10 I didn't know he was sort of, you know, that aware and/or like sneaky elusive.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so Lamar, I have a question about this because this is something we talked about on the show. Lamar, I don't know if you know this, is 19 and 1 versus the NFC in his career.

Speaker 1 Now, is it crazy to say that it's just he's such a freak and so different that teams that don't get to see him, it's like it's that much more difficult to defend him because you just don't know that speed and elusiveness.

Speaker 1 You just can't replicate it.

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 he's probably the fastest quarterback in the league, you know?

Speaker 10 And when you think about it, yeah, you can't replicate that. But at the same time,

Speaker 10 he's just a playmaker. There's a reason why he's been a former MVP, probably will be MVP of this league this year.
I mean, he's a top-tier talent.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of stories this week about tackles reporting as eligible and the referees making announcements after hearing who's coming in to be eligible to catch a pass.

Speaker 1 I'm actually curious to know from the defensive side of the ball, do you guys actually listen to what the refs say over the loudspeaker?

Speaker 1 Does that impact and directly affect what you're doing as a defense to cover them?

Speaker 10 I'm just going to speak from a defensive line perspective because it depends on coverage at times. But so coverage that would probably be a yes.

Speaker 10 Defensive line, I mean, I'm going to label a pig a pig and keep on going. You know, you'd be like, oh, and it got an officer lineman in there instead of tight end.
All right.

Speaker 10 So now instead of, you know, trying to put this man on his back, now I get to try and choke him out. It is what it is.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 1 We were talking about it. PFT just mentioned it, the people online,

Speaker 1 the Twitter experts who break down film. How often do you scroll Twitter and you're like, these guys don't know what they're talking about?

Speaker 1 Because there's so many moving parts in an NFL game and what you guys are doing as a defense and what everyone's responsibility is.

Speaker 1 Do you get a chuckle when you see something and you're like, yeah, that definitely wasn't like the linebacker wasn't supposed to be doing that. So they did not make a mistake.

Speaker 1 Or or the defensive end was not supposed to be doing that. That's not a mistake.
You're just watching film and guessing.

Speaker 10 Hey, in this day and age, everybody's a critic. You know, everybody's a reporter.

Speaker 10 I feel like half the nation has a podcast.

Speaker 1 That's true. You know,

Speaker 10 I got friends back in the crib that have a podcast. Like, bro, like, when you go tune into mine.

Speaker 1 Off-season. Off-season.

Speaker 1 Off-season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, but do you see it?

Speaker 1 And you're, because I would love to have that superpower of like, I feel like if I were a player, I I would just, I would just scroll Twitter every day and just dunk on those guys and be like, yeah, you see it every now and then.

Speaker 1 Like Mitchell Schwartz did it, I think, last year, where someone was breaking down film and Mitchell Schwartz was like, that's not what the offensive line was supposed to do.

Speaker 1 So you're not, you're just making shit up.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah. I've never, I don't think I've ever fired back at anybody like that.
But I will, I mean, I will scroll Twitter and sometimes I will, I will drop some heat back at them.

Speaker 10 You know, I try, I try and go after people sometimes with the, with the best of my, what would Kevin, Kevin Durant's burner account say? You know, like, sometimes you got to get after somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Twitter.com. I live for this.
You should actually go listen to people's podcasts and critique their ad reads. Like you screwed up dropping the promo line.
Yeah. The 10% off.
It's not easy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's not easy. Yeah.
Yeah. I do what you do.
You don't do what I do. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You play with maybe our favorite player in the NFL, Jameis Winston. Yep.
We've been fans of his for a long time. Just seems like a unique individual, just solid vibes, good guy.

Speaker 1 What was your experience like meeting Jameis? And what does he bring to that locker room that makes people like him so much?

Speaker 10 Man, I've known Jameis probably since he got to the league because, of course,

Speaker 10 he was the number one overall pick for Tampa some years back. Met him in the backfield quite a lot.
But then in the offseason,

Speaker 10 had a couple run-ins with him. And he was a great guy from Jump.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 you could always make fun of him when you don't really know him. And you're like, bro, the stuff that he's doing on the sidelines, the antics is hilarious over at Tampa Bay.
You'd be like, man.

Speaker 10 And then he comes to New Orleans Saints. I'm like, here we go.

Speaker 10 You know, and then, but you realize once you get to know Jameis, like he's, he's like the warrior that you want in the locker room.

Speaker 10 Like, if, if, if he's your boy, you guys go into a bar and there's 30 guys that are ready to fight.

Speaker 10 You want a boy like Jameis. Jameis is all in.
Like, he'd be like, hey, it's time to go.

Speaker 1 It's go time.

Speaker 10 And he's like, you know, know, like, if you, if you, if you're in the bar and you look at your boy, James is a guy that's already got war paint on.

Speaker 1 Like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 He's like, oh, didn't know it was time. You know, and you're like, all right, well, I guess we're here.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 You know, so when you think about what he does on the football field, what he does in the locker room, what he brings to the locker room and the game, the energy that he brings,

Speaker 10 he's such a positive force. Like, you can't help but love and respect it.
Like, sometimes you hear James, you'd be like, where was that even coming from?

Speaker 10 Like, what did that, what does that pertain to? And you're like, well, you look at his face and he's he's dead set like today's the good day you're like yes it is

Speaker 10 yes yes the hell it is why the hell not why can't it be a good day yeah you know like he's he's he's such a a a positive force bro it's sort of hard not to not to like once you know him once you understand where he's come from it's hard not to root for him at every turn did you guys did you guys give him any for eating the w were you like that was a little weird

Speaker 10 yeah all right good yeah but i feel like come on like gets the shit yeah he's just like if you look at it i think i think his teammates at the time were giving him, like, he was in the dub and everybody in the circle was like, what?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. But

Speaker 1 that's incredible. Like, he's the type of guy that he can maybe have a couple of those moments, but you guys still ride for him, which it's pretty cool to watch.

Speaker 10 Absolutely. Absolutely.
Like, bro, like I said, there's nobody more invested than Jameis. Like, you can see some guys like, yeah, I play this.
Like, he loves this game from the...

Speaker 10 the top of the morning to the end of the night and probably still probably still at the facility right now.

Speaker 1 If he's, if he's, yeah probably watching film asap he's one of the last people to leave the building jameis should have a podcast if he doesn't already jameis should have a podcast we're just like ain't no way

Speaker 1 no way no we're like some somebody who's having a bad day it could be anybody any line of work someone who's having a bad day comes in and jameis just gasses you up bro

Speaker 10 now that absolutely yeah absolutely there's no there's no way better i mean back when me and mark had our podcast um you know he he popped on and it was like bro you you leave feeling better yeah like no matter you just feel like like like i didn't think about this in a way i didn't feel i'm i feel more inspired and motivated yeah jameis is kind of a drug you hang out with jameis and after you're done your whole perspective changes you leave better yeah like you talk to jameis you're like

Speaker 10 if i was having an okay day it is now i like i'm gonna make it a good day yeah

Speaker 1 j-boo made it a good day so i'm gonna make it a good day yeah fuck ayahuasca aaron rodgers got it wrong you just gotta hang out with jameis for a little bit you gotta hang out with Jameis.

Speaker 1 He's going to get you right.

Speaker 10 Mitchelly, you're just going to be up there. Like, I'm on a different level.

Speaker 1 God, I want to take a big hit of Jameis. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have one bone to pick with you, Cam.

Speaker 1 You had this quote

Speaker 1 facing breeze in practice. You said helps the defense.
It's not like we're going against Blake Portals. It's not like Drew is giving picks away.
We're very good friends at Blake Portals.

Speaker 1 Blake Portals went to an AFC championship game, if you don't remember. Would you like to take that back? He is the boat.

Speaker 1 No. No, no, he went to the AFC championship game in the NFL.
And he should have beaten the Patriots.

Speaker 10 I thought that just meant like ACC's championship game.

Speaker 1 No, no, no,

Speaker 1 AFC. And they should have beaten the Patriots, but the refs took away a touchdown.
Miles Jack was not down. Blake Bordel should have been in the Super Bowl.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 So, yeah, I'm not going to walk that one back.

Speaker 1 What? He's the boat. He was also your teammate.
He was.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was. He's the

Speaker 1 best of all time. Oh, I was like, oh, boring of all time.
No, no, no, no. The Blakest of all time.
The Blakest of all time. Wait, he was your teammate.
Do you not remember? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Great teammate.

Speaker 10 Best, Beth B backup of all time.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's listening. This feels mean.
This feels personal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, not at all.

Speaker 10 I just, like, I'm not going to walk it back. My man even stands on ten toes about it.

Speaker 1 Drew Brees was good. Yeah, Drew Brees was pretty good at football.
Did you, speaking of other teammates, do you remember your time with Will Compton?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Was he on the team for how long was he on the team for? I didn't even know he was on the team.

Speaker 10 I'd like to say like a few months. Like, at least he was.
You picked him up like halfway through the season, and I think he made like another half of the other season.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This is how you password the season together.
He is how you get to 10 seasons. You just throw them kind of together, and you're like, boom, 10 seasons.
He's like, wait, but you stay back.

Speaker 10 I know nine seasons happen, and then he was avidly searching for 10.

Speaker 1 Well, he had a trial with the Falcons. We saw the tape.
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 10 That was the Twitter scroll. I I saw that, and I was like, listen here, boys, your boy's not down and out yet.
And I was like, oh,

Speaker 10 here we go, but I don't think that if 10 year 10 ever got activated.

Speaker 1 No, he had some takes about the Richard Mindenhall tweet from a couple weeks ago, which I thought was a very funny concept.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. We ran the simulation here on Madden, and I think the black team won, what was it, like 65 to 59? So it was close to the simple story.
We covered the spread. We covered the spreads.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we covered the spreadsheets.

Speaker 1 Tyreek Hill was an issue. I didn't understand see that one happening, actually.
Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 1 what would your spread be if you were to just lay that?

Speaker 10 I mean, the 60s sounded about right. And I mean,

Speaker 10 35?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Possibly 35. We got a lot of tight ends.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but like zero defense on your side.

Speaker 1 You know, like,

Speaker 1 defensive line. Defensive line is really good.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 10 I'm thinking about people who have to cover.

Speaker 1 You know, like. Yeah.
That part's tough.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 So, like, it's like, nobody's, it's going to be a just a myriad of touchdowns through the air. It's the air assault is going to be rare.

Speaker 1 We're just hoping that

Speaker 10 you got Trey Henderson and TJ Watt on opposite sides rushing and been in the corner at seven. So, now all you have to do is step up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to have to put the boss off. It's going to get ugly for you.
The boss is on the inside, and they're going to be playing their ass off in that game. So, you got to hope that they just

Speaker 1 hope that they clog the middle of the field.

Speaker 10 You're saying Nick Bosa is playing, playing like he's supreme all-pro.

Speaker 1 It's Super Bowl, it's a Super Bowl for them. Yeah, Super Bowl for them.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just an interesting thought experiment. I'm glad that a lot of people could take it not so seriously and turn it into,

Speaker 1 it shouldn't have been made to be like a big debate. It should be just like a healthy, fun thing to talk about where everyone can laugh at themselves a little bit.
Well, and

Speaker 1 I assume that that conversation happens all the time in the locker room. Like something similar.

Speaker 1 Nobody ever said, like, nobody ever thought to be like, hmm, let's pitch all black defense versus all black offense and then the vice versa. I'm going off of it.
This doesn't sound like good ball.

Speaker 1 I'm going off of what Will Compton told us. So he just was having that conversation with himself.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of times Will, well, he either had that in the back of his mind or he would be seen always as like the gritty, scrappy, white, undersized linebacker.

Speaker 1 And so he thought about it in that term. Yeah.
But yeah, the full-on debate probably didn't happen as much.

Speaker 1 You should have it. Just throw it out.
With Trey Hendrickson's interesting.

Speaker 10 I mean, I think it's happened because of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it has. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's not going to last long because, you know, most guys are going to laugh, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You brought up Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 1 He had a very interesting style, and he still does. No gloves.
Didn't wear gloves as a defensive lineman. How crazy is that?

Speaker 10 Savage.

Speaker 10 I mean, practicing with him back in the day, we just look at him like him and my guy, Marcus Davenport, like you'd be missing chunks out of their fingers. And I was like, this.

Speaker 10 I don't know what you're proving here, but you've proven it. You know, like, if you're like, hey, I want mangled hands, this is the way to go about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It's it's crazy watching that happen. Uh, this is a dumb question.
Um, just how cool is it to have a guy on your team named Rasheed Shahid?

Speaker 10 Rashid Shaheed, the need for speed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see? All right. So you guys, like, every time I say his name, I have a little smile on my face.
I'm like, yeah, that rules. And you have, and you have Lil Jordan Humphrey, right? Yeah.
No,

Speaker 10 Lil Jordan is over at Denver now.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right. He's in Denver, man.
He wasn't in the Saints. He wasn't like like that.
He'd be balling.

Speaker 10 I like the LJ. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Those are some Hall of Fame names between the two of those guys. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you guys get pumped up on the sidelines when Tasem gets in the game and you know he's just going to run into like a linebacker's face?

Speaker 1 Do you know you guys get pumped up when Taysom gets in the game? Yeah.

Speaker 10 The whole world gets pumped up when Taysom gets into the game because you know it's going to happen and they can't stop it. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Sidelines, we just expect it. And move the chains.
Wait, he hasn't even, you haven't even hacked the ball yet. Move the chains.

Speaker 1 Continue. A human first down.
It's crazy because

Speaker 1 on paper, you look at his skill set, you look at his size. I imagine that there's probably a few dozen people in the NFL that are his size, his weight, and run about the same speed.

Speaker 1 But for whatever reason, Taysom Hill will always get a first down and he'll always run through a linebacker.

Speaker 1 What is it that makes him different from all the other players that are, I guess, physically built the same way?

Speaker 10 I have no idea how to answer that. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 We got this guy when Taysom first entered the league from Green bay sean payton walks over i'm in stretch lines minding my business sean payton walks over taysum hill fastest running back and fastest quarterback in the last 40 years faster than this guy this guy this guy this guy and i'm like

Speaker 10 all right sean like i was like i doubt he's faster than rg3 faster you know i was like no michael vick yada yada like you know going through he's like no this guy this yeah

Speaker 10 and then you know he when he gets downhill i said look at payton hills go yeah Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's true.
Well, have you thought that you, are you a Hall of Famer? I think you're pretty close. I think you're getting there.

Speaker 10 I'd say seven and a half sacks from now for the world to say I'm a Hall of Famer. Like once I get that 125 threshold.
So, you know, sometime could be this game.

Speaker 10 So if I go for a seven and a half, there's a seven and a half piece. That'd be amazing.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 But next time, next year, somewhere in there, it's going to be like, all right, cemented 125, 125 is getting to Hall of Fame. Last couple years, you say I was a Hall of Famer like five years ago.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 We look at guys' numbers and, you know, it looks good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we might have to start the Cam Jordan Hall of Famer campaign on this podcast because it is true.

Speaker 1 Like if you play a couple more years and you get in that 125, 130, now you're in the top 20s and everyone in the top 20s is in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Look at that. Your word's not mine.

Speaker 10 Look, I'm going to focus on what I can control.

Speaker 10 We've got to play Atlanta and we have to take care of business. I talk about accolades and such after the season.
All I care about is being the best teammate and best player I can be.

Speaker 1 Can you rank the teams in the NFC South that you hate the most?

Speaker 10 No, I only hate one team.

Speaker 1 I don't have to rank them. Is it the Falcons?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 Because I feel like the Saints are always getting into fights against the Bucks, too.

Speaker 10 Over the course of my 13-year career, there's been turns where you're like, oh, man, they're annoying. Ah, they're annoying.

Speaker 10 You know, like, oh, man, Cam Newton in his prime, like, damn, he's annoying. You know, like, he's just aggravating.

Speaker 10 but you didn't hate him, you know, like I have nothing but the highest respect for Cam Newton. I'm like, bro, he's such a good player, you can't help but respect him.

Speaker 10 You know, you, oh man, Josh Freeman is doing really good, or now, you know,

Speaker 10 McCown is doing really good, and Fixpatrick is doing good, or,

Speaker 10 you know, Jameis is doing really good. You know, the 75 quarterbacks that they've had over the last 13 years over Tampa Bay, like really doing all right.

Speaker 10 You know, so you're like, oh man, this officer lineman is aggravating, but you wouldn't be like,

Speaker 10 those damn buccaneers, you know. But you say the word fail cons and it just makes sense you know falcants like

Speaker 10 it's really you don't even understand but like my uh my nose tackle colin sanders came in and was like hey man he's like bro was like i don't get the hype between you guys in atlanta bro we played them and he was like no i hate them i'm like no you get it i get it yeah freaking hate these guys it's the best part of sports rivalries and like true true hatred true like true hatred like i see i see black and red and i see you know i'm like that's just a trash colorway.

Speaker 1 Like, what is like, what is, what are we doing here?

Speaker 10 Is this any given Sunday? Like, what, like, what is this movie? Like, this is just like some kiddie stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is it the team or is it the fans, too?

Speaker 10 Not so much the fans. It's the team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, the fans, there's more annoying fans in this world, you know? But it's probably, it's probably like riled up by our city as well because we're just better.

Speaker 1 You know? Who's the most annoying fan base?

Speaker 10 You know who the most annoying fan base is.

Speaker 1 Cowboys. Cowboys.
Oh.

Speaker 10 oh eagles cowboys when they're successful yes okay

Speaker 10 but philly any time of the year okay yeah

Speaker 10 bro like i don't know why like they're just they they make like it they're like they're like vegans they're like you know you don't ask if they're vegan or not they tell you yeah

Speaker 1 you're like yo what about our philly

Speaker 10 i didn't even

Speaker 10 I was talking about how if it was cold outside or not.

Speaker 1 I didn't even say anything about Philly football. Yeah, it's a fact.
It's like, how are you doing? We got a fucking fire Sirian, man.

Speaker 1 No doubt.

Speaker 1 It's like, Jesus Christ. All right, Cam.
I know you got to run in a minute. So

Speaker 1 I definitely got to run it. Yeah, yeah.
So I'll go. Last question.
Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Terms apply.

Speaker 1 Weird question, but if you remember, you played the Bears in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 It was like 2019 or 2020.

Speaker 1 You guys won, but did you know that Mitch Trubisky actually won the NVP of that game?

Speaker 1 Did that ever get back to the locker room? He won the MVP. Nickelodeon.

Speaker 1 No comment.

Speaker 1 Don't get me started. No, but he won it.
He won the MVP. He got the blimp.

Speaker 3 When he played it for Chicago?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bears lost.

Speaker 10 Right next to Bortles' jersey, put Mitch's.

Speaker 6 Okay, this interview's over.

Speaker 1 We actually do have,

Speaker 1 I think we have an NVP trophy around here.

Speaker 1 It's the Nickelodeon blimp with the slime on it. Yeah, so you guys won the playoff game, but you didn't really win because you didn't win the NVP.
That's my point.

Speaker 10 So again,

Speaker 10 so right there, that Jaguars Bortles, there should be a Bears Trubisky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have a type. Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 We have a type. All right, well, Cam.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much, man. It was great having you back on.
Hopefully we'll catch up some other time as well and have you back on because we love having you on.

Speaker 10 I appreciate you guys. You guys have a blessed one.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Fire Fest of the Week, boys.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 Firefest, you had to come back to work.

Speaker 1 Had to come back to work. I committed to dry January.
Hank in private texts, even in private texts,

Speaker 1 will

Speaker 1 clarify that he's not going to work this summer.

Speaker 1 Private text. What does that mean?

Speaker 1 We were texting back and forth about just how awesome the Jersey Jerry thing was and like how great it was for the office. And we're just hit the ground running New Year.

Speaker 1 And he said, yeah, now that the holidays are over and everything's set up and everyone's settled, we can cook full steam ahead, parentheses, till summer,

Speaker 1 parentheses, parentheses, and then back again in the fall.

Speaker 1 Private tax. Yep.
He's keeping it in my head. I like it.
I like how he's committed to it, though. You're committed to being partially committed.
We do have breaking moves.

Speaker 1 Breaking moose from Adam Schefter.

Speaker 1 Four-time Pro Bowl running back, Dalvin Cook, will sign for the playoffs with the Baltimore Ravens. PFT called it.
He broke it. Not to brag, but I called it.
Yep. I actually had it first.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's actually a good signing. Please credit PFT.
Just have a guy there, just in case. So, but you also had it wrong because he did actually prove us wrong and signed with a contender.

Speaker 1 But it's just weird how they keep talking about Dalvin Cook.

Speaker 1 Ended up being true.

Speaker 1 That is the correct place for him to do it. He signed with the number one contender.
Yes, in case they continue to have catastrophic injuries. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank. But yeah, I'm excited to go full seam ahead to the season.
Till summer. Pretty much dry January.
Till summer.

Speaker 1 I did commit to dry January. Or I was, you know, 30 days until stand-up.
I'm trying to

Speaker 1 be dry until stand-up. Wait, when's stand-up? February 6th.
Okay, so your dry January doesn't actually start until Monday. But I committed to dry January.

Speaker 1 I tried to do dry January, and then on Tuesday, January 2nd, PFT 9, some people went out to dinner. Some complimentary shots were brought over to the table.
And I couldn't.

Speaker 1 I couldn't say no. Oh, it already had gone.
And I had to have the idea. Also, the day before Hank had drank beer.
I've had two beers.

Speaker 3 That was for work, though. And two shots.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 1 I was chronicling Hank's adventures into pretty much dry January.

Speaker 1 He's like, make sure to put that the shots we're taking are only because of manners, because everyone else at the table, except for Mincy, who declined to take the shot.

Speaker 1 And Stu, who also declined. So you could have easily just declined.

Speaker 1 Two people at the table. No, but it was because of Manners.
Oh. But you could have, you saw Mincy and Stu, probably one in two in terms of role models in America right now, say no.

Speaker 1 Manners. Okay.
Manners. Hank's got great manners.

Speaker 1 I do have great manners, but I am for the next till stand-up dry. Okay.
No drinks at all. No drinks at all.

Speaker 1 I don't like that look. I'm just not going to go out.
I can't go out. We've talked about it.
I want to do the laugh that you did to Big Cat the other day when he talked about it. That's what

Speaker 1 I'm silently laughing at. Well, yeah yeah

Speaker 1 what are you doing this weekend nothing not going out you want to party no what if i party

Speaker 1 i'm not going why i don't party so what if i party because you won't come committed hank do you want to go to the sigs inside bar no absolutely not

Speaker 1 have you gone yet no i need to go it's awesome i love sigs inside

Speaker 1 uh okay pft yeah mine is i just downloaded the ai celebrity voice and impersonator so that's what i'm going to be that might be our fire fest Fest. That's it.
I like it.

Speaker 1 I like it too, actually, a lot.

Speaker 1 It's so good. It is good.
It does sound a lot like him. You probably have some weird China spyware on your

Speaker 1 cares. I mean, I do have TikTok.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I'm just looking through the list of people that I can impersonate. There's Miley Cyrus one on there.
That might be more for off-air use.

Speaker 1 There's a lot. There's a lot.
Teach yourself, PFT.

Speaker 1 I will not be saying that.

Speaker 1 I did actually have to delete one that I made with Miley Cyrus earlier,

Speaker 1 but that's unrelated. But yeah, so that's my weekend.
Probably my next week is just fucking around with a celebrity voice impersonator. So yeah, it'll be productive.
I like that.

Speaker 1 All right, my Fire Fest. I'm now on the other side because obviously we all were kids at one point and

Speaker 1 being out of school was awesome. I'm on the other side.
My kids have to

Speaker 1 go back to school. It's fucking crazy.
They've just, my son has not been in school since December 22nd. He's not going back.
Chicago Public Schools, they don't go back till Monday.

Speaker 1 Every day he wakes up and he says, what day is it? Yeah. He says, do I go to school today? I was like, no.
It's just, how can they do this? I don't know. And they're get them back to school.

Speaker 1 And they're taking away snow days, too. Get them back to school.
They're making him do like... He's so confused.
Every day he's just like, why am I not going to school?

Speaker 1 It's like, it's just, you're not yet. He's like, oh, then do I do?

Speaker 1 Today he's like, why am I not going to school? I was like, because you don't have school today. He's like, so do I get donuts? I was like, no, it's not Saturday.

Speaker 1 You might just think that he doesn't have school anymore. It's just, it's just mass confusion.
And the kids need to be back in in school. You got to get them in school.
They got to be in school.

Speaker 1 It's funny though to see the opposite.

Speaker 1 I'm sure all of our parents probably agreed

Speaker 1 kids got to be in school.

Speaker 1 You can't have them out of school. It's the worst.
They got to be back in school. They just lose their mind every single day.
Get them in school. That's my, I'll run on that platform.

Speaker 1 School every day, no matter what.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but wait till you have a kid, Hank, and you'll be like, school's the best.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 3 yeah so i was flying during the first half of the rose bowl and the satellite on the plane was broken

Speaker 1 damn actually that i mean it wasn't that good of a first half yeah but just like scrambling

Speaker 1 that's such bullshit they should give you a refund

Speaker 1 What's the airline? I'll tweet it. No, there's just no way.
I waste so much money. I waste so much money on like Wi-Fi that I purchased that doesn't work.
And

Speaker 1 half the time on a plane, you'll download the Wi-Fi thing or you'll pay for it. And then you'll just try to refresh the internet over and over again for about 40 minutes, and then you land.

Speaker 1 And that's what you pay for.

Speaker 3 So it was a lot of scrolling Twitter. I bought the Wi-Fi and was able to stream it on YouTube TV for a little bit, but it still wasn't that reliable.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That actually, that's a real Fire Fest.

Speaker 3 But it was the first half only, so I didn't miss much, like you said.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that sucks. That's brutal.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Max, you got a Firefest?

Speaker 1 I've had a great week. Oh, really? Yep.

Speaker 3 It's delightful.

Speaker 1 Starting on the week, starts on Sunday. Yep.
Really nice. Alright.

Speaker 1 I'm going to roll over here. Check out our new carpet.

Speaker 1 Numbers. 40.

Speaker 1 18. 71.
8. 3.

Speaker 5 99 Pug.

Speaker 1 20.

Speaker 1 And Shane usually guesses 10?

Speaker 1 10 for Shane.

Speaker 1 And now he's got to guess. He's got to be here to guess it.

Speaker 1 58.

Speaker 1 58.

Speaker 3 We're due for a winner soon.

Speaker 1 I don't know. No.
If we learned anything from Jersey Jerry, it's.

Speaker 3 We had two out of the gate.

Speaker 1 It takes a while. Things take time.
Two. Asterisks.

Speaker 1 Well, Max cried. Well,

Speaker 1 three. You're right.
But I'm not allowed to.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Pinky anymore.

Speaker 3 We tried saying you're in.

Speaker 1 No, I took it away because Max cried like a bitch. Yeah, no.
Remember, I don't want to do that speech again. Yeah, no, we don't have to.
We got to make America not Max again.

Speaker 1 There's only two winners in this. Make America Not Max.
There are two winners here. Fucking crybaby losers.
You cried about the fucking turf in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 You cried about the Super Turf Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 You cried.

Speaker 1 You cried about the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 I'll be gone,

Speaker 1 good job to

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 as the same.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying

Speaker 1 I'll be some little bit.

Speaker 1 Better than life is happy, say after me.

Speaker 1 I'll explain better to be safe than something.

Speaker 1 Take on me,

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 up.

Speaker 1 I'll be gone.

Speaker 1 Things that you say and use in the light of just to play my love.

Speaker 1 You're all the things I've got to remember. Be shy and away.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 gon'

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 gon'

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 gon

Speaker 1 me.