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No boomers this week because we're starting with college football. Then we're going to talk about the entire weekend and all the NFL of week 17.
We are also going to do who's back. We've watched so much football in the last 15 days.
I don't even know. It's been a lot of football.
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Today is Tuesday, January 2nd, and it is Michigan and Washington in the college football finals in the championship game next Monday night. We just watched two playoff games that were varying degrees of frustrating and incredible, all bundled into one PFT.
I don't even know what to say. I think they go back and played at the Rose Bowl.
I'm surprised you didn't start with this. It's going to be Washington and Michigan, the Big Ten.
Yes. Representing America.
The Big Ten. National Championship.
Yes. Well, no, I really do think they should just replay the game at the Rose Bowl because Washington and Michigan is a classic Pac-12 Big Ten matchup for the last time it could happen.
Yeah, I do have one take, and I might be a prisoner of the moment right here, michael pennix should be the first quarterback taking the draft yeah michael pennix is so fucking good and i i have watched him all season so i know the ups and downs of michael pennix um he was so good tonight i think this might be the best college football performance from a quarterback i've seen in a very long time like going back to cam newton he was dropping dimes. He was incredible.
Let's start with the Michigan-Alabama game, and then we'll talk more about Michael Penix and the Texas comeback that was the weirdest comeback and the clunkiest comeback of all time. But Michigan-Alabama, so that was our first game.
It was a tough game to watch for a while there, and then it turned into the fourth quarter where it became thrilling and the reason why i say tough is it looked like both teams were feeling each other out and playing very sloppy offensive football we had i mean even the first play jj mccarthy tried his best to throw an interception yeah should have been picked off should have been picked off you had miscues and special teams uh and it felt like alabama had the game in hand in that i think it was the start of the fourth quarter when they were up maybe four i think yeah i think it was 17 13 and jalen milro fumbled the ball and even though michigan didn't get in uh uh any points off that it felt like that was the moment alabama was going to take control and step on their throat and Michigan it was like a reversal because it was at first Alabama was hanging around hanging around they got dominated in the first half and then it was Michigan hanging around hanging around just keeping it close enough and they end up the winner in overtime I thought Milrow stunk today yeah Milrow looked a lot like old Milrow and not new Milrow and it was it was frustrating if you're an alabama fan he couldn't even connect on like a five six yard pass everything looked a little bit out of sorts uh michigan was able to lean on him a little bit blake corham's really good it was a lean off because alabama felt like they were leaning on michigan for a while yeah the big boys up front did their job on yeah on both sides so from that perspective you could look at that first half and say oh that's just great hard-nosed football uh if you take out the skill position players yeah if we're just talking it was great line play in the first blocking and tackling was great was pretty good overall and then uh yeah milro just he couldn't he couldn't figure it out he wasn't able to use his legs as much as he usually likes to he was he also has like negative pocket awareness. Yeah.
So when Michigan was blitzing,

they were doing a pretty good job of waiting

until the ball was snapped to show who was going to blitz,

and then Milrow would just be looking in the opposite direction,

not see the blitz coming, getting sacked for infinity yards.

It happened to McCarthy too.

Yeah.

No, JJ McCarthy did not look good either.

He had bad pocket awareness today.

But, yeah, we had a great handshake afterwards between Nick Saban and Harbaugh. Who do you think is the alpha in that handshake? I feel like it's – Harbaugh has never lost a handshake.
Yeah, today it was Jim Harbaugh because Michigan outlasted them. And it was – for a while there, it felt like it was going to just be the glaring example of special teams mattering and special teams being a third of the game because people say it all the time.
But I think we all are like, come on, is it really a third of the game? But Alabama almost won this game with just special teams because it was their kicker kicking 250 yarders and their punter. I think he averaged 50.
He had a long of 62 and he had four four of them inside the – or five of them inside the 20. And it was like that was – for a while, that was the game.
It was field position and Alabama just doing a better job with special teams and Michigan fumbling. Yeah, and a turnover on the punts.
And I love whenever they show that punter, they're just like 6'2", 240 Australian. Yeah.
You got to say that when he's stepping up there. But he was like the best player on the field for Alabama for most of the game.
Yeah, Michigan had a fumbled punt, and then they had their punt returner try to catch a punt from the one-yard line with like 30 seconds left. If I'm Jim Harbaugh going into next week, I think that's the one thing you might consider is maybe firing the special teams coordinator.
I'm gonna look him up let's see who it is let me see okay i just wonder where connor stallions was during this game all right so he's probably sweating somewhere michigan's special teams coordinator i don't know how you pronounce his last name j her bar her bar j harbaugh j harbaugh okay michigan special teams be fired yeah maybe tough. So, yeah.
If there's any relation. He's probably going to fire him.
Moving on to next week. That's got to be a very difficult conversation after the debacle they had on special teams.
I don't know if you can blame so much of it on the special teams coordinator as you can just blame it on the players. Well, you could just be like, hey, can you remind the punt returner to not try to catch a punt at the one-yard line? Yeah, actually, can you remind your players to do a better job blocking long field goals? Well, they also missed a kick, and they botched a snap on that extra point that ended up giving it the overtime.
So least valuable player goes to Alabama's center, who couldn't figure it out. And then I don't know what to make of this, but he had, I think, two consecutive snaps where he just bounced back to the quarterback, and then he started throwing his hands up and trying to blame it on someone else.
That's the one position that kind of sucks if you're a center. You can never blame your miscues on somebody.
If you have a bad snap, it's because you fucked up. Yeah, right.
There's really no way out of that. And it was all game.
It felt like all game we were watching low snaps and uh yeah it was it it did it was an ugly game for the first three quarters and it turned into be a classic because anytime you get a college football playoff overtime game at the rose bowl how it's hard not to be romantic about football the one thing i would change i would like the overtime game to be the second game because the overtime well no and then it would it would have been like 2 a.m but did they delay the start of the second they might have by a few minutes that's what i'm saying if you're going to push it back at least have us end on the overtime game yeah that's true you don't think about so much because in the second game i just kept looking at the clock being like i'm old this is too this is too late i it's i i don't know why they did the why couldn't these games have been two o'clock and six o'clock also too, too many commercials. This is our old section of the show.
Although, I tweeted too many commercials. Everyone's like, no, that's not an old tweet.
That's just... There's way too many commercials.
Well, a big deal is the sunset at the Rose Bowl, right? So, if you push it earlier, you might not get that. True.
The sunset was magnificent. Yeah.
Yeah. It was a beautiful sunset.
My star of the game was the sun. Yeah.
The sun was actually wreaking havoc in the first half. Yeah, that caused one of the fumbles.
Yeah. Hank, you cosplayed as a Michigan fan today? I did.
It was a great day to be a Michigan Wolverine. Yeah, Big Ten.
Back. I'm excited for next week.
Are you going to be a Michigan fan next week? Yeah. I'm going to keep it rolling.
It was the first time I pledged my allegiance to a school and actually won. So it was nice to win one.
The Tom Brady connection. Yeah.
That's pretty nice. Dave Portnoy.
Taylor Luan. Suck up.
Are you doing a little suck up thing? What did I do when we went to Wisconsin? I'm just saying. You're doing a little suck up thing then.
What does a Wolverine look like? He's got like claws that come out of his hands. oh adamantium yeah uh he can't die really good at uh recovery on injuries logan can't go through airport security yeah he's the leader of the expo yeah i think you nailed it thank you good for good for jim harbaugh though yeah america's team america's team everyone's i'm happy for jim harbaugh i love jim harbaugh i'll always love Jim Harbaugh, even if he goes coaches to Chargers or something.
I don't know. I said it before the game.
If they just suddenly, right before kickoff, were like, hey, we have a new rule. Head coaches can play, can take snaps in this game.
How many snaps do you think Jim Harbaugh would have taken? He would put himself on the kickoff team just run down there he looked so jacked up he was amped up and i also love the uh the quotes that he was given before like in the media day where they were talking about you know how he builds his team his philosophy and he goes you know i think uh we model ourselves after jesus he would have been jesus would have been five-star recruit no doubt in my mind jim jesus was literally a one-star recruit. That's kind of the entire point of this story.
There was a giant star that appeared out of nowhere. No, yeah.
The five-star is like after the fact. Yeah.
When you try to upgrade it and be like, look, our recruiting was so good. We had him at a five-star.
No, they developed him. Yeah, right.
No, I'm saying like the other sites, you know, they'll have like rivals. Yeah.
And then there'll be competing sites. There'll be a competing site that would be like, no, we actually had them five-starred.
We look at us. Yeah.
Like subscribe to our service. We can pick these guys out.
Jesus was one star, maybe a walk-on. And then they just did a great job developing the talent.
Right. He had a red shirt year.
By the end of it, was really able to move the rock. He's a good player.
My only other note as a Michigan fan in a Michigan bar was when Orgy, the backup quarterback, came in.

The whole bar just, Orgy, Orgy.

It was a whole chant.

I was like, what is going on?

He ran one play.

Yeah, they bring him in for trick plays.

But the people loved Orgy.

He should get to wear a pineapple on his shirt.

Also, shout out JJ McCarthy, Googling how to beat depression.

Yeah, it's pretty good.

Pretty solid advice.

It was a funny moment, though, because they showed his and he was uh he was doing like meditation under the goalpost and our entire uh gambling cave was like what a loser it's like we're just a bunch of dudes just sitting around gambling way too much money on these games eating way too much food And we're like, this fucking dude who's an incredible athlete playing in the Rose Bowl.

Yeah.

He thinks. money on these games eating way too much food and we're like this fucking dude who's a incredible athlete playing in the rose bowl yeah he thinks he's got it all figured out if you google how to beat depression check out better help yeah that's a fact um so yeah michigan marches on and then we had washington texas what do you say guess the line uh i think i think it's gonna be like four I think Michigan minus five and a half.

I'd guess around 4 let's see it's going to be a lot of Michigan fans I feel like that was going to be what do you got it nope mic on we don race. We'll find it.
I would guess Michigan around four. So now we have Washington, who that was a weird game because it felt like Washington could have won by a million if they wanted to.
Penix was just the best player on the field by far. Dropping just balls into a bucket, just dimes everywhere.
They kept on trying to run, which they couldn't that's the one thing texas can just shut you down yeah and then we get like there was two moments one was when i think it was like eight minutes left washington was up was it 10 no they were up uh line someone's got it for me were they up 10 no lines four and a half way. Oh, line is four and a half.
Okay. So that's what was Washington up before Texas scored their touchdown.
They were up 13. They were 34-21.
They were up 13, right? 13. Yeah.
And Sark didn't go for two. Didn't go for two.
But they were up 13, and they did like back-to-back trick plays with like eight minutes left. We're like, this is kind of weird.
And they punted, and then Texas scored. And yeah, Sark should have gone for two.
I don't know how no one says anything because the situation is they're down 13. He kicks the extra point to go down six.
Why not go for two? Best case scenario, you're down five. A field goal doesn't kill you.
Worst case scenario, you miss it and you're down seven. That's a no-brainer go for two situation that he just missed.
Yeah, every coach has a chart that says what you do in that situation. He just didn't look at the chart.
He just didn't look at the chart because then Washington quote-unquote killed them with a field goal to go back up nine. We thought it was over, and then Texas went and got a field goal, and then the weirdest thing ever at the end of the game.
That was so strange. I felt bad for Washington fans that were watching watching that just the idea of them losing that game because their running back got hurt on a fluke play and then there's a the clock stops so they get a bonus timeout instead of getting the ball back with 20 seconds left or 19 seconds left texas got the ball back with what 50 yeah 50 seconds left and then credit to yours he threw a great ball but quinn yours did not play good today No.
I started, like, as a joke, we were saying the gambling cave put in Arch Manning.

Yeah.

By the end of it, I was like, put in Arch Manning. Yeah.
Like, let's see what the kid can do, because Ewers did not play his best game. He did have that one nice long bomb, and then the very last play of the game, credit to defensive back.
That was a great play that he made. It was a great play, just a weird clunky game for texas offense where they never it felt like they never really got a rhythm um and everything looked so easy for for washington and like every two even when they got a little bit of rhythm they'd have a you know a fumble or a big sack and it was just yeah texas i i feel like texas gonna walk away being like that was a game we could have won if we just they just never felt comfortable it's crazy they could have won it but they definitely also got outplayed yeah no no i'm saying yeah they they like they could have won at the end washington was a better team a better team don't get me wrong but texas it felt like texas had more the mistakes that you can look at and be like man i regret that because washington's defense was.
That was the big bugaboo all year, Washington's defense. They were all up in the backfield.
They were all over Quinn Ewers all game. Washington's defense has completely transformed and played great football last month.
There was something weird with the timing, too, between Ewers and his wide receivers. He probably had six or seven passes that he threw before his receivers were even turning around to look at the ball.
Yeah, they just like yeah never had a rhythm you know what i my start of this game goes to the espn producers that put a live camera on bourbon street and then there was a booby that slipped out yep great job guys uh if you're gonna put a live camera anywhere in america let's just go to bourbon street nothing bad's gonna happen there also there was a um there was like a kid in a stroller i don't know if it was a lady's kid credit to her if she was flashing with one hand and pushing the stroller with the other but there was a baby like right underneath her probably saw that was like that's that's dinner yeah that's dinner right there the uh we also had the great story about ryan grubb the offensive coordinator for washington who uh quit football and was living in his sister's laundry room pouring cement living in his sister's laundry room that guy's cheap if you're pouring cement you have enough money to have your own apartment uh this guy was just trying to save money i'm sure but also i can't think of a worse place to live i've never been in a spacious laundry room before yeah like they always have the folding door usually has the slats on it he was just sleeping on a dryer yeah so but football guy football guy football guy and he he called a great game i mean they i i honestly think if washington had just been like we're not gonna run at all this game they probably could have put up 60 probably every pass worked except at the end of the game they don't know deborah doesn't know how to run out of clock yeah he could not do that to save his life this was the most obvious run the clock down run the ball run the ball run the ball take the play clock down every single play and he just refused to do it so it was kind of weird that texas got back in at the very end but the reason they had that opportunity to begin with was because deborah doesn't understand how time works yeah and washington's i mean they've been doubted all year 14 and 0 and we got undefeated versusated. It's going to be awesome.
I also have to live with the regret of cashing out of my Washington future, which I've said it before. I'm a gambler.
Lose bets, win bets, make mistakes. On to the next one.
Yeah. You can't get hung up on it.
I did it because I thought Oregon was better. I was wrong.
I fucked up. It's going to be a good championship.
I'm excited about this one. Two teams we haven't seen in there in a very long time.
Yeah. It'll be interesting.
I feel like I'm leaning Michigan, but I've also been disrespecting. But that's.
I've been disrespecting. Me personally, if you're looking for somebody in the media that's been disrespecting Washington, hand up.
And I feel bad about disrespecting you. Yeah.
I feel like everyone's going to be leaning Michigan, and that's exactly where Washington wants to be. Yeah.
Because that's every single game they've played. They were underdogs against Oregon, who they beat.
Who they had beat. Yeah.
It's just every single game. And so I might just have to bet on Washington and a shitload of money.
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It's going to be a great matchup, too, because it's like Michigan's defense is the best unit on the field. Well, Michigan's defense is obviously better than Washington's defense.
But Michael Penix is so much better better than jj mccarthy am i crazy to think that he's going to be a first round pick yeah well no he could be a first round pick because the problems with michael pennix and i don't want to be nitpicky but he's 24 yeah like there is always the are you good at college football because you you're now been playing it for so long bo nicks kind of thing and his his injury history and he's a lefty which some people can't get over right i i think it's absolutely worth like i think he could absolutely be a good pro but he's 24 because of the injury history right but you know what i'm saying like when you're 24 and you're playing against like 18 and 19 year olds are you good because you've been playing college football for this there's also the school of thought of like if you're 24 this is as good as you're going to get he's pretty fucking good no he's really like just strictly from a passing performance night like i haven't seen a quarterback in college football deliver strikes like that consistently over the course of a full game in a very long time yeah i'm i'm wrapped up in it right now but i don't know that didn't seem fluky to me no i i he's legit i think he i think he will be a a good starting quarterback in the nfl i don't know if a team will take a first round pick with him but um maybe we could pull up a mock draft i don't know where he's he's mocked those are always exactly correct i've been looking on tankathon oh where they got him 40 see they have jj mccarthy 42 and michael pennix 43 that just feels like it's age and injury because michael Penix has played so much better than J.J. McCarthy, 42, and Michael Penix, 43.
That just feels like it's age and injury. Because Michael Penix has played so much better than J.J.
McCarthy. J.J.
McCarthy has played well. They haven't gone to the Vikings.
That actually makes sense. Yeah, that'd be good.
Same colors. So with lefty quarterbacks, when they're in college, I love lefty quarterbacks.
When they're in the NFL, that person's a witch. Yeah.
That looks like witchcraft. It's hard for your brain to understand.
But is it also harder for defenses to intercept a lefty quarterback? It's harder for your wide receiver to catch it. I know that's a knock, but they don't think about the fact that it's hard for safety to catch it.
True. The spin of the ball.
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PFT. We've been, I feel like week 17 was, even though it was less than 24 hours ago as we're taping this, it feels like it was a million years ago because we've got so much other football going on, traveling, everything.
Every time a new sport happens, it pushes something I remember about an old sport out of my brain. Yeah, I mean, this is like a little time capsule for myself and we talked about this weekend of nfl before we did it for me it was red zone sunday did you do red zone sunday i didn't i actually was able to get so we were in arizona uh max and jake are going to be joining us in a minute so they're not going to be here for the first few games that we do don't worry we will not do the eagles recap without max uh so if you don't hear him that's why I didn't I was so we were still in Arizona PFT and I flew back this morning uh I was able to set up it was it was like I felt like a real degenerate because I I basically took my kids to the park all morning went to party city got I I feel like I got robbed because they just walked in it was like my two kids and then I had my niece and my nephew and they walked in grabbed so much stuff i was like let's get out of here it was like 200 worth of shit and not one actual like item that was worth anything yeah you know like beads and like the fucking noisemakers so anyway so i get back at 11 o'clock for the kickoff mountain time and i went into my bedroom i had a tv on i had my laptop open i had uh six different little tiny things on youtube tv and then an ipad as well so i was able to see all the games just on tiny little but the smallest screens ever yeah you had no idea you probably couldn't even see kyler murray yeah no it's like there's a there's a ghost running through the philadelphia secondary yeah but so you went red zone i I went red zone.
I went over to my old college professor's house, Professor Majors.

He was my comedy writing professor at JMU.

He lives in Arizona.

Went over to his house, hung out with him, watched red zone with him and his wife.

I had to make a call.

It's like, okay, we were supposed to go out for a hike, but then I remembered, oh, yeah,

it's Sunday.

It's NFL Sunday.

He was very understanding, so we were like, okay, let's just watch red zone. But as as a compromise i'm not going to be on my phone tweeting the entire time okay i will be present in the red view while i'm staring at the red zone screen right that's good but being yeah doing red zone it's it's nice man it's football crack well there was there was uh it was actually because it was 10 games so i i was actually on red zone for about 10 minutes because i was uh still like out with the kids so i like, oh, fuck.
It's 11 o'clock. Games are starting.
Mountain time. Scott Hanson, you could tell.
He's like, we got 10 games. So much action.
There's a few games that you could just not pay attention to. Yeah.
There was a few games that you just could be like, that game is over. It's actually a terrible game.
Three games on here that they didn't really show on Red Zone. Which was good.
Which was good. And all the highlights from those games came from things that happened off the field.
Right, right. So, but we will start, and we will go through all these games.
We'll start with Saturday night, which actually PFT and I were, we finished the Arizona Bowl, and we drove back from Tucson to Scottsdale, and I brought my kid's iPad, so we watched the game in the car car together driving back um which was great because we were basically doing a podcast we're making fun of jerry jones like we were doing a live podcast just the two of us in the car mike mccarthy it'll never be released uh if you're wondering were the tweets that big cat was sending during that game were those written and posted while he was driving yeah and watching the game the answer is yes yes they were pft was holding holding the iPad. Yeah, I was holding the iPad, which is just as dangerous as driving.
Well, listen, the Arizona highways are great. You can go 85.
There's no one on the road. It was great.
But, yeah, we were making fun of the ring. We watched the ring ceremony.
What is it? The Ring of Honor. I like Jimmy Johnson.immy johnson is great is a cool guy it's it's sad that he has to represent the cowboys they shouldn't get anybody that cool and likable but it was such a good moment when he went out there and he made me like he made me like the cowboys for about 15 minutes and he had that line where he was just like in the cowboy fans like we gave you something to be proud of and like it was just he basically was like we gave you 30 years of unearned arrogance after what we did in the 90s yeah that's the last time we were really good but we so we watched the game controversial game we should just jump right into it dan campbell at the end of the game uh two-point conversion they the the the lions go down the field it was actually a really well-played game like both defenses showed up.
I thought the Lions' defense was very impressive, and the Cowboys' defense was pretty good as well. But anyway, the two-point conversion with Taylor Decker, the play that works, and then they call the ineligible.
They call Taylor Decker ineligible because 70 reported and not 68. And essentially everything I've read from this is the refs just got confused by Dan Campbell's own trickeration that he tried to explain to them before the game.
So he talked to the refs. He said he explained it to a T before they went out there.
You can see Decker goes up to the ref. He says something to him.
The ref nods. Then number 70 comes on.
Right. And number 70 runs at the ref too.
And the ref kind of looks at him him and runs away and then the ref immediately says over the loudspeaker number 70 has reported reported as eligible before they snap the ball so the ref was confused by everything even though dan cable did explain it um but if you look at the formation taylor decker was eligible right the eligible guy at the end so it was a great play ballsy call it worked and then the crazy part which i actually like yes they backed it up yes they backed it up because of the uh ineligible

receiver and dan campbell said fuck it i'm gonna go for two again crazy crazy thing to do from the

seven it's insane it's there's no way that it makes sense except for the fact that he's letting

his players know like we're in fuck it mode well so i was thinking about it more because obviously

See you next time. It's insane.
There's no way that it makes sense except for the fact that he's letting his players know we're in fuck it mode. Well, so I was thinking about it more because obviously the reaction from everyone watching the game, the media, everyone's like, you don't do that.
You kick the extra point. You go to overtime.
And I was thinking about it more. I think Dan Campbell, it's crazy to all of us.
I don't think it's crazy at all to his players. No.
Because I think he tells his players game here's the plan if we're ever in this situation we're going for two we're trying to win this game this is how I'm coaching so like all those guys are gung-ho ready to go like it was it's not a surprise to them when he says get back out there go for two again so I think it's weird for us but for them they're like no this is how our coach coaches and my whole thing is because people kept on bringing up like well you didn't like it when Brandon Staley did it Brandon Staley stopped being consistent Brandon Staley was awesome his first year because he was aggressive and then he started doing like a wishy-washy when Dan Campbell's aggressive and consistently aggressive I'm all for it because you know what you you know the type of coach he's going to coach it's's when guys go back and forth and they're like, maybe I won't be aggressive. He went for the fake punt.
He went for it on fourth down at goal line in the first half. He goes for two twice because they actually ended up going for it.
What, it was offsides? It was offsides. Then it was.
Like the three-yard line? Yeah, I think it was half the distance. A play that almost worked as well.
So, yeah, we're on the same page. Like, as crazy as it seems, I think Dan Campbell in that locker room, they know that this is how they're getting coached.
They know they're going to be aggressive. Like, go for it.
Yeah, I don't mind it at all. It's telling your players, like, we're in fuck it mode.
This is what we do. You can, like, live with the fact that you got fucked by the refs and you still tried to win the game and you couldn't do it.

You can live with that if you're a Detroit Lions player.

You're not happy with the way it turned out, but you're happy with the way that you competed until the very end of it.

And yeah, Dan Campbell, you know that he's going to call that fake punt in the first half. He doesn't care if it's on his own 23-yard line or wherever.

He's got that ready to go.

It's probably going to work.

If I'm a Lions player, I'm not looking back on this game and saying,

I wish we could have done certain things differently.

It's like you have the valid excuse that they got fucked.

Right.

And so the actual play, I'm a little – maybe don't make a play that's so confusing

that the ref could fuck it up.

Now, I'm not taking – the ref is a fucking asshole.

It sounds like victim blaming.

No, the ref is an asshole. The ref deserves 95% of the blame.
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I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, that the ref could fuck it up now i'm not taking the ref is a fucking asshole it sounds like victim blame no the ref is an asshole the ref deserves 95 of the blame but there is like five percent of me that's like just like if it's that confusing that you have to explain to them and then they still got confused so the refs are part-time employees that's what we always forget right they're part-time this is not their full-time job it's like going to wendy's and asking for very specific instructions on your cheeseburger be like let me get one tomato yeah I want one a tomato slice on there and then the person that's making 725 an hour comes back there's three tomatoes and you're like what the fuck like stuff is liable to get messed up when you're dealing with NFL refs who this year I feel like they've been worse than ever and it's also it's a very human thing again I'm not the ref is a fucking asshole i'm happy that he is not going to be reffing in the playoffs he shouldn't probably shouldn't ref anymore because this was such an egregious mistake but the way that it looked like taylor decker reported and then number 70 comes up and talks to him like as a human being the last person who ever talks to me i'm gonna be like yeah that was the one who. But I don't think he said anything.
I don't think he talked to me. Even him coming up.
He just ran towards the ref. And then Sewell was also in that meeting too because he usually reports as eligible.
He's caught a few balls. Right.
So he's usually the guy they throw it to. So they're trying to confuse the other team by having all these people go up to the refs.
The refs screwed it up big time. But do you know what i mean like if you have to explain how confusing it is before the game and then it's still confusing again the ref is an asshole but maybe make a play that's a tiny bit less confusing at what point do the refs become complicit in like part of the play too if they know the tricky part of the play that's going on now are you expecting the referee to like act like number 70 is reporting and like look at number 70? Right.
Dan Campbell told you, hey, this guy's going to pretend that he's reporting. It's fake reporting.
So look at him, maybe even brush your tummy off, and then just know that Decker's actually the guy that's going to catch the pass. At some point, the ref's become part of that.
But you could tell after the game was over, I think it was about 30, 40 minutes after the final whistle, the hit got called in to Schefter. Oh, yeah.
Schefter's been doing it. They called in a hit because out of nowhere, Schefter just starts tweeting the greatest hits of this officiating crew.
The previous mistakes they've made this season, I think they were the refs at the end of that Kansas City-Green Bay game on the egregious pass interference call that they missed. And then there were multiple other calls that happened earlier in this game that Schefter started tweeting out like the All-22 before the All-22 even hit.
The Cowboys got fired. But wait, yeah, no, no, then he did the reverse hit.
I think the NFL then came and got involved. No, but I think it was hit, but they were all hits on the same crew.
No, but then he reverse hit it because he was like the leg tripping penalty was actually supposed to be on the Lions. So the Cowboys would have won anyway.
Right. But it was a hit.
It was a hit still on the same officiating. Right.
But it was more like a. It was like overkill.
But that was a hit. You shouldn't be mad at the Lions.
Yeah, that was a hit that was basically like Schefter saying that the refs didn't affect the outcome of the game. Well, they did, but they already had fucked over the Cowboys.
So the Cowboys were the rightful winner this is it's butterfly effect but that's what he was that that leg tripping tweet was literally him tweeting i think the nf i think adele probably called him personally was like hey we can't have people like mike florio taking us to the supreme court saying that this uh whole game should be overturned oh say that the trip happened so that the cowboy we can be like the cowboys the Cowboys would have won anyway. Mike Flores is actually on the side of the refs.
He's kind of saying that the trick play was too deceptive. Okay, so then I'm disavowing my own opinion of the 5%.
Okay, there you go. But at any rate, the hit was called in for Schefter to take this crew out.
He did it all. And make sure this crew does not work another down, especially like in the postseason.
We don't want to see this crew out there. But it was crazy.
I actually agree with you. Both teams played pretty well for the most part.
There was the CeeDee Lamb 92 yard touchdown pass, which was incredible. And then later, CeeDee Lamb fumbles through the end zone, gets called for a touchback.
Everybody out there tweets the same thing. This is the worst rule in sports.
Fuck you. It's not.
It's actually a great rule. I hate the rule.
It's a good rule. I'll explain to you why.
Hank, you know. I agree, yeah.
It's a good rule. Well, I hate the rule because I bet the over.
It would be a disaster if it wasn't a rule. No, as an over better, I hate the rule.
That's fine. Yeah, if you bet over, then that's sad.
But it's a great rule. It's tragic.
People say like, oh, how come if you fumble the ball and it goes out of bounds, your team still gets the ball, but if you fumble it through the end zone, then it becomes a turnover. Well, it's because the end zone exists as a special place in football.
There's different rules in the end zone. A player can reach a ball over the line, and if it crosses the line, and then they fumble, guess what? It's a touchdown.
It's a special zone, okay? So the rules of the regular field don't apply to the end zone. Every rule change that's been put in the last 30 years has been trying to help the offense.
There's nothing that helps the defense at all. This is one that encourages guys to play down to the one-inch line, and it actually is a rule that helps the defense a little bit.
Also, on kickoffs, what happens when the ball is not possessed by anybody and it rolls through the back of the end zone?

That's a touchdown. If the ball is not possessed

or a touchback, if the ball is not possessed by anybody

and it goes through the end zone, that's a touchback

not just on fumbles

on kickoffs, on punts, on the whole thing

I like the rule

and there's been some awesome plays

that have happened in NFL history

like that. You remember Ben Watson

when he corner flagged Champ Bailey? Remember that play?

That was a sick play, Calvin Johnson

against the Seahawks, I think

Thank you. plays that have happened in NFL history like that.
You remember Ben Watson when he corner flagged Champ Bailey? Remember that play? That was a sick play. Calvin Johnson against the Seahawks, I think.
There's been some great plays. I like the rule.
The people that are complaining about it are the same people that are saying, wait a second, how come we make every single rule change to favorite quarterbacks and wide receivers? Let the defense have something. Counterpoint, it's the most tragic play in sports if you have the over yeah that's fair also i can't take you seriously with that pen what is that pen uh this has been on the desk for a long time you're kidding you're so pucks it's evan's pen you're just shaking a fucking i'm like what is that a troll doll pen no it's uh some company i don't know it's i think it's i think it's pug's pen it was a good it was a good speech it's pug's pen i agree with you i i'm being completely biased when i say that obviously it's it's Pug's pin.
It was a good speech. It's Pug's pin.
I agree with you. I'm being completely biased when I say that, obviously, whenever it happens, I'm sad because it's the worst play for an over because you're so close to six points, and then you just reverse it.
No, I agree. You can't – there has to be something.
You can't just be willy-nilly throwing the ball to the end zone. Yeah, it's an agent of of chaos too which i i like that little bit of uncertainty when you get down to the goal line it's just so tragic we we we also need to my serious pen i'm gonna i'm gonna use this for that's how you know i'm not fucking around the um the big the other big story from this game which we have to talk about because dan campbell basically saved mike mccarthy from looking like the biggest dummy ever which he is a big dummy shout out Mike McCarthy for finally going with just a straight hoodie on the sideline that's a fat guy move I respect that Mike McCarthy and his late game clock management will when we do our uh what do we call it back of the head back of the head when we do our back of the head for every team mike mccarthy in the late game clock management because hit that pass play where the the the line he gave the lions 40 extra seconds yeah to to drive down the field and then he went into prevent defense it was a mix-up big cat and on top of that the one thing that completely gets lost so there's i think 26 seconds left when the lions score a touchdown and they're going for two Mike McCarthy you have probably the best kicker in football right now the guy they were talking on the broadcast how he has a 70 foot range or 70 yard range right Mike McCarthy used a timeout before the two-point conversion yeah like if they get the two-point conversion you have two timeouts you can easily get 70-yard range with a couple pass plays and a timeout with 26 seconds left.
He is so fucking stupid, so fat, he will be the downfall for the Dallas Cowboys. So, Big Cat, it was just a mix-up, according to Jerry Jones.
So, after the game, Jerry Jones said the Cowboys hated to give the Lions those 40 seconds and that he thinks it might have been a mix-up. Okay.
That's explained away. It was classic.
It was a mix-up. It was a Mike mix-up.
It was a mix-up. And these things happen with Mike McCray.
He does get mixed up. It was bad.
It was really bad. The play calling was just atrocious at the end.
It's like he's never been in a close game every time he's in a close game. And the best part is he spent the entire game running on first down when they couldn't run the ball.
Yeah. Tony Poll i think i think he broke one for like 11 or 12 yards other than that if you took the long run that tony pollard had out i think he averaged like 1.6 yards per carry so he spent the whole game trying to run and then the moment he was supposed to run he's like nah fuck it let's pass yeah yeah and on that he did try to give the ball to uh tony pollard but that was the tripping that got missed.
Yeah, but remember this happened against the Seahawks too? Yeah. He did the same exact thing.
Yeah, he's a dummy. He's a dummy.
After that game, he got saved big time. Yeah.
Big time by the fact they won that game. And Dan Campbell got all the – and the refs – all the stories about Dan Campbell going for two again on the seven-yard line and the refs fucking up.
Mike McCarthy just snuck right under the under the microscope was like i'm not here those are two cowboys wins but i'm counting them as two mike mccarthy losses yes because it's gonna happen he's got his brain just stops yeah it stops he cannot maybe the games need to be shorter for mike mccarthy maybe he shouldn't coach the first quarter maybe he runs out of gas he just gets tired because look like when we did the arizona bowl when we were up in the booth we had to stand the whole time i was fucking gassed by the fourth quarter yeah like standing is if you're overweight is might as well be running a marathon who are they going to put in in like the late fourth quarter dang quinn he's never given up a big that's what i'm saying quarter that's what i'm saying you need to you need to just maybe mike mccarthy starts the game in a chair just let Dak do it. Why can't he sit in a chair? Why can't football coaches sit in chairs? Basketball coaches do.
You can sit in a bed. Yeah, why not? But yeah, Dak has been playing well.
CeeDee Lamb broke the record for yards and receptions for the Cowboys, which is insanely impressive given their history at the wide receiver position. And he did it in a regular 16 games.
I like that. Yeah, we're going to get some records next week that are going to have asterisks next to him.
But that's legit. Yeah, so he went, what, 13 for 227 at a touchdown.
But, yeah, I walked away from this game being like the Lions defense played a lot better than I expected against a Cowboys offense that did look like it was rolling. And I go back to it, but the NFL playoffs are so wide open.
And I know this was devastating for the Lions because they were still in line to possibly sneak into the number one seed. If they had won this game, they would have been the two seed, which would have meant two playoff games at home if they had won the first round.
That i've also seen a little bit of discourse regarding the hip drop tackle with aiden hutchinson oh okay so he had what do you have three sacks yeah he was all over the place and so they were saying that two of the sacks would be considered hip drop tackles you can't hit the quarterback below the knee you can't hit him above the shoulders he hit him around the waist get your pen he hit. He hit him up on defense.
He hit him up for defense. Which camera? That one? Aiden Hutchinson hit Dak Prescott in the midsection, the only place where you're allowed to hit a quarterback, and then his body takes him to the ground because that's how the fucking laws of gravity work, okay? So if you're going to sit here and tell me that the hip drop tackle is going to get added to the list below the below-the-knee tackle and the above-the-shoulders tackle, well, guess what? Just put flags on these quarterbacks, okay? Yeah.
Just turn into flag football because there's no such thing as a sack anymore. Yeah.
Hip drop tackle is a figment of your imagination. It's not real.
It's not real. Let the boys play.
Let them tackle. Let them tackle.
Rant over. Let them tackle.
Boom. Congrats, Hank.
Thank you. Yes.
I mean, that was huge for you, Hank.

Huge.

The Cowboys are now the reverse. They're going to get two home playoff games.
We'll get to the Eagles later, but they're going to get two home playoff games. They've only looked like a Super Bowl contending team at home.
And now, I mean, hopefully we get Lions-Cowboys part two. We'd love to see it.
Because the Lions would, if all the higher seeds won,

the Lions will be the three seed,Cowboys part two. We'd love to see it.
Because the Lions would, if all the higher seeds won,

the Lions will be the three seed, the Cowboys will be the two seed.

Lions would go to Dallas.

As long as Dallas doesn't blow this against the Commanders.

Yeah, they can still blow it.

They can still blow it. I think they can still blow it.

They blew it last year.

We're not going to do that.

Oh, Max is here.

Commanders are set.

We're good.

Max is here. Oh, Max, we're probably not going to get to.
Oh, Max is here. Commanders are set.
We're good.

Max is here.

Oh, Max, we're probably not going to get to the Eagles.

You got to put on your headphones.

Put on your headphones.

Put on your headphones.

Max just walked in.

Max, we're not going to get to the Eagles until later,

but that Cowboys win was awesome.

I didn't watch that football game.

Oh.

What the fuck?

It was a really good game.

How do you not watch that? Producer for this podcast? You didn't watch it? Yeah. Oh, the fuck.
It's a really good game. How do you not watch that?

Producer for this podcast? You didn't watch it?

Yeah, I know. Imagine a producer with implications on that game

not watching it. Sickening.
Yeah.

So what did you think about it, though?

It was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy.
Good win.

Good win for the Cowboys. What did you think, Hank? What were the keys

to that game? The keys

to that game were just getting that call at the end of the game.

Can you give a key to the game that we didn't

talk about already? No.

I don't know. to that game uh the keys to that game we're just getting that call at the end of the game can you give can you give a key to the game that we didn't talk about already uh no i also did not watch it i i was at a concert and then i was i was at the bar after and i was like sitting next to my friend i was like oh we need a cowboys win we need a cowboys win saw that they won by one was like let's go and then yesterday on the way back i was reading about what happened i was like holy fuck what it was crazy what a win the lions got screwed the lions got screwed what a fucking win hank also just found out yesterday i believe that that he officially lost the uh the one hour stand-up pick thing yeah he was rooting yesterday like it was like it meant it meant something yeah i thought i thought if i went perfect and you went like no that's, that's sad.
But unless you want to do one more.

I think even if we did three picks this week, I think I got it. Yeah, I don't think so.

Because I went one and one.

Damn.

Yeah.

I might go.

Maybe on Friday I'll decide if we're.

We can do three.

Well, no.

I think I'm like six or seven games ahead of you.

I might just do seven.

I'd have to go 0 and 7.

You'd have to go 7 and 0.

I might give you that just for fun.'m ready i've been preparing okay uh all right next game ravens 56 dolphins 19 ravens the one seed this was an ass kicking lamar jackson mvp happy we can be done with that discussion all right hank's going to duffy's right now for the Michigan game. Hank came back to work for 20 minutes and now he's going to a bar.
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It was shit pumping.

The Ravens are almost too good.

The Ravens are what I thought the 49ers were a couple weeks ago.

Right.

They are beating great teams. They've beaten three division leaders by a combined 62 points.
Yeah. It is.
And their three losses are weird losses that you can – like they were leading in all three of their losses late in the fourth. Yeah, they're just like playing on a different level right now.
And Lamar is – the best part about Lamar is you know that there's a handful of times a game where he will just make a play that no other quarterback can make for you. And he'll save their ass.
And their offense looks like the Todd Munkin offense is finally clicking, throwing the ball deep. We also had one of my favorite tweets of 2023 because it actually happened in 2023 from joe shad i'm sure you saw this pft but he tweeted uh that's pretty terrible that john harbaugh and the ravens just passed for another touchdown up 49 19 with a few minutes left and moments after bradley chubb was carted off with a potentially serious injury it's 56 19 disgusting about it too.
Disgusting. I can't believe that a football team continued to play football.
Yeah. Also, I'm just going to read just a random box score line.
I'm taking a random game from this year. This is completely random.
It's almost as random as the lottery ball. Tua Tagliaveau passed shorton a chain 10 yards touchdown extra point good dolphins 56 broncos 13 yeah huh interesting yeah listen huh you're you're gonna if you're playing against a really good opponent you're gonna step on their throats who cares yeah who cares it sucks that bradley chubb got hurt like that's actually a huge blow for the dolphins yeah better question is, why was Bradley Chubb still in that game? A great question.
Yeah. He shouldn't have been.
I agree with that. Yeah, but the Ravens are playing on a different level, and now they get the one seed.
They probably won't play anyone next week, so now we get the rust versus rust because we might get a two-week Ravens letting everyone get healthy. Yep, yep.
So it's the Steelers and the Ravens next week. Do you think that anything in the Ravens' DNA is like, we don't want the Steelers to beat us twice? I think Tyler Huntley might win that game.
Okay, pro bowler. I think Tyler Huntley might win that game just because it's like, I think they'll rest all their key guys, and I think Tyler Huntley might still win that game.
You know what's really turned a corner for Lamar this year is the touch passes. Yeah.
He's got great touch passes. Yeah, because that was a problem even at Louisville.
It was like a guy in the short flat, and he would just miss him. He's like, that was the easy throw.
He's playing at a different level. Odell Beckham said it's the best team he's ever played on right now.
I don't know if that's coming from his dad's film breakdown. I want to hear a film break, like a PFF style grade from Odell's dad comparing this team to the Rams team that he was on.
Yeah. But I think he's probably right because if we're going to get into some nerdy statistics, we like DVOA, even though we're not exactly sure what it means.
The Ravens have become the first team in NFL history to put up over 100% DVOA in four games in a season. No team had done it three times.
So the Ravens just became the third team, or the first team to ever do it three times in a season, and now they're the first team to do it four times in a season. And I believe, according to DVOA, they're top five defense, offense, and special teams? I believe so.
Which is like, because that's the thing. You see a lot of times the team will be great in two-thirds of the phases, and you forget, oh, special teams is very important.
I actually have special teams written down as the back of the head for the Rams. Okay, yeah.
Well, they just got rid of their kicker. Oh, they had Gunnar Olszewski return a kick against them.
It was tough. A lot of stuff going on with that.
Also, Lamar now has as many perfect passer ratings as Tom Brady. Ooh, damn.
Three. 158.3.
Again, no idea how they calculate that. I think they just make it up, but still, that's impressive.
It's a shit pumping. I tweeted this out because this is back-to-back years.
I'm getting my preseason pick for the Super Bowl to the one seed, and people are like, don't worry because Max isn't a Ravens fan. So I think I should be a little bit safer.
What do you mean? Max isn't a Ravens fan. Why did that matter? Because all he does is finish second place and lose.
But you had the Eagles last year. Yeah, the Eagles last year.
And Max is an Eagles fan. I'm putting a future on the Ravens right now.
You're a fucking asshole. Actually, Max.
Bad price. Bad price.
You got to fight fire. I don't give a fuck.
Bad price. Max is finally learning how to fight fire with fire.
Yeah. I don't think it matters because you're going to put like 10 bucks on plus 300 after they've shown themselves all year it's about it's about the preseason pick i do look forward to though if the ravens can get uh deep in the playoffs i will be buying a pair of purple cargo oh for sure have to the purple camo pants are elite i also i love seeing stavi before the game on the ravens official account yeah you see that on the? Yeah.
You could tell there were some things that Stavi wanted to say as Ronnie from Dundalk, and he was like, fuck, I can't say that. I'll just say he built a homemade weapon and let everybody else fill in the blanks.
It does feel, though, that the Ravens, this is a legacy playoffs for Lamar Jackson coming up. Because if they fall short of, I would say they have to get to the Super Bowl.

Because Super Bowls, anything can happen.

They have to get to the Super Bowl.

I don't think so.

I think they have to win two games.

Well, that would be getting to the Super Bowl.

That would be getting to the Super Bowl.

Yeah, you're right.

Okay.

Yeah.

I was thinking.

They have to get to the Super Bowl.

Because the narrative right now on Lamar is he can't win in the playoffs at all.

But if he wins one game and then loses the AFC Championship game.

Yeah.

Yeah, they have to get to the Super Bowl.

Yep.

I think that it's a legacy playoff.

I would agree with that.

Yeah.

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Bucks 13. this was such a classic case of just always always bet the bet that makes you so uncomfortable and we talked about it on Friday I was like I kind of love the Saints this week just because they look so bad and the Bucs look so good and then the Saints played better than they've played all year their defense was all over the place the first eight Bucs drives were four three and outs, two picks, and a fumble.
Baker looked very confused. Very confused.
Taysom Hill looked good out there. Juwan Johnson was awesome.
I like this because there's so many scenarios in Week 18 now. Like, so many different things can happen.
So I like the fact that it's mixed up a little bit. But, yeah, Mike Evans, Baker Mayfield, they weren't on the same page in the first half.
I still think that the Bucs are good. I think that they're an above average team and that they're better than the Saints regardless of what happened last weekend.
Just kind of a weird scenario. I think they're average.
I think they're average. I mean, their record would tell you they're average.
They're average. Yeah.
I think they're an average team. I think the Saints are an average team.
This is actually kind of torturous for saints fans because you saw them finally put together a complete game and now going into week uh 18 they don't control their own destiny which sucks because that you could see the saints maybe put together two great games at the end of the season and then saints fans be like where was this all year what do you think the percentage of saints fans are that don't want to see them make the playoffs i think once you get to week 18 you have to just you want to get in it you know knowing that you're going to run it back with alan and car next year right you just i think once you get to the final doorstep it's such a long season you want more football losing losing that last game of the season would be so much better for you next year though it would make every week so much better for you yeah but if you lose and you could have gotten in with a win i don't know maybe that's actually what's going to happen then they're going to win yeah and still not get in that would be good that's what i'm saying that's yeah that's the torture part yeah they look at it and they say we were playing good football at the end literally at the end because it was the last last two weeks. And we don't get an extra football game.
But I think that would be good, though, because you could lose, still not get in, and then your coach gets fired. And then you're happy going to next year.
You're like, oh, we should have made the playoffs. Would be the real heartbreaking scenario is if you didn't get in the playoffs and then the Bucs went on a little roll.
Yeah. If the Bucs got to the NFC Championship game because then you could say, fuck, that could have been would the bucks play in the first uh they play the eagles i think they play the eagle well it depends on what happens in in the last week of the season with the cowboys and the eagles i don't know if the eagles are are they favored to win against the giants shouldn't be shouldn't be shouldn't be why not we'll get to that later okay we'll get to that later um yeah the eagles and the bucks bucks yeah i just think the bucks are yeah they're perfectly average i don't think they're very good i think on their on their a plus game they could beat everyone but the niners and probably the cowboys and then but they're very very easily could could throw out a uh like a there's their their c plus is very bad i think they could lose Right.
Their C-plus is bad, whereas you could say, oh, the Niners C-plus could win a playoff game still. Yeah.
Or the Ravens C-plus could win a playoff game. If the Bucs throw out a C-plus, they'll lose by 20.
Yep. Okay.
Rams, Giants. Rated T for team.
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Matt Stafford is still very good. And even though they struggled with the Giants, I'm going to keep the dangerous tag on them.
Yeah, the way that they built this team is interesting because they had to get young, they had to get cheap, because they've been in cap hell. It's like the Rams and the Saints are always going to be in cap hell.
The cap might not even really exist, but the way that they're managing it is let's get some mid-round guys, start a bunch of them, hope we can coach them up and do well. And they've been really good.
Also, Nakua, that's been a hell of a bonus for him. And Kyron Williams.
Kyron Williams. How many games in a row now does he have a touchdown? It seems like he scores twice every single week.
But, yeah the rams are awesome the rams the rams are very very good compared to what the expectation for the rams should have been going into this year yeah so this was scary uh the punt return was really really bad um and the kicking game obviously is going to be an issue i don't know who they're going to sign so did the rams put out a blueprint on how to run a team? It's basically win a Super Bowl, go in cap hell, and then get two of the best offensive players in the NFL in the fifth round. Yeah.
That's it. That's it.
It's as easy as it could be. It's either that or have your quarterback be dating and married to a Brazilian supermodel.
Yep. Those are the two ways that you can succeed despite winning championships.
That's it. Just get your fifth rounders be i mean puka nakuha and kyron williams both fifth rounders are they i mean in their respective positions are both top 10 players this year i'd say nakuha is probably pretty close i think kyron williams is yeah he is yeah he has to be so it's it's pretty crazy to think that like those two guys that's good drafting, good scouting.
Yeah. Way to go, boys.
Les Snead. Fuck them picks.
Still a hilarious name. The other part of this game, Tyrod Taylor, I actually think in the season of backups, I might put Tyrod Taylor as the first or second best backup in the league.
He's like a long-term backup. He's a dependable backup.
Yeah. I would be pumped if you're listening and you think your team signs Tyrod Taylor, I'd be pumped.
I don't blame Tyrod Taylor for that missed pass to Saquon. Saquon should have caught that.
It also was too easy. Then he should have caught the other one.
He dropped two of those. Sometimes a pass is too easy.
It becomes hard. That's true.
That's exactly what it was.

You're overthinking it.

It was behind them a little bit. They were standing next to each other.

Yeah.

You could have handed it to them.

Right.

He probably also could have just run it at himself.

He definitely could have run it at himself.

But yeah, the Giants are in a weird spot because I was thinking about this.

Remember Daniel Jones?

Uh-huh.

He still is owed a lot of money.

He's probably pumped, though.

Yeah.

Next year, he's owed $35 million they they can cut him after the after next season so at least they have an out there but that's such a bummer to be like oh we got to go we're just gonna do daniel jones again yeah he's lurking back there uh jacina anderson had a had a report earlier today i don't know if you saw it big cap but it said that um in the nfc east there's two teams that could be making coaching moves one ron rivera obviously and then the two might surprise you now do you think would you think hold on before you tell me this would it be the most shocking thing in the world if ron rivera kept this job yes it would i'd agree i would be shocked i'd agree like there's the universe is not real if ron Yeah, I'd agree. So is it Sirianni or is it going to be Dable? Who's the interesting one? So say the quote again.
I don't have the direct quote in front of me, but it was like there are two teams that are expected to make coaching changes. One might be surprising.
McCarthy? McCarthy, maybe. But maybe Sirianni.

Maybe Dable.

Sirianni's look bad.

I'm trying to think.

I'm going through the Rolodex real quick.

They also might be.

He's back, apparently.

Might be talking about Wink Martindale.

Who would be the other?

Dan Quinn, but he's not going to get fired.

He might get hired somewhere.

Yeah, who would be the other coach that would be coach that would be like shock oh matt patricia maybe p carroll no in the nfc east oh nfc east only nfc only yeah there's some more bird team i was thinking p carol yeah yeah and if only nfc so then it has to be dable or syriani it's got to be syriani syriani it's got to be syriani has to be syriani i kind of love i kind of love the fire that eagles fans have. I love the fact that you guys were just in the Super Bowl last year, and now you're like, fuck this guy.
I saw people blaming Howie Roseman. We'll get to it later.
We'll get to it later. Howie Roseman is now on the hot seat.
Oh, yeah, people are mad about the construction of the defense, but we'll get to it later. He's built.
Arguably, if you go position by position, the only team that probably is more loaded is the Niners. He built Georgia.
He built Georgia. NFL Georgia.
If you're mad at Howie Roseman, just be mad at Kirby Smart. Yeah.
Okay, sounds like you're a little mad at him. Yeah, you are.
I'm not mad at him. We'll get to it later.
Okay, we'll get to it later. All right, now we're getting to a run of games.
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Although this one, Colts Raiders. Colts are similar to the speech I just gave with the Rams.
Shane Steichen should be coach of the year.

He's got my vote.

He's had my vote for a while.

Colts were over under six and a half wins.

They're now going to play for a win and get in with the Texans on Saturday night.

Also, Shane Steichen's coach of the year entire resume should happen with the Eagles in conjunction.

How bad the Eagles have looked.

Like Shane Steichen was the mastermind.

Yeah.

Shane Steichen was the coach that got away, Max.

That's a fact.

Yeah.

Shane Steichen is the guy.

Coordinator merchant, Nick Sirianni.

I would say.

I like that.

We'll get to it later.

Is he a coordinator killer?

We'll get to it later.

We'll get to it later.

So, Gardner Minshew, I would put right up there with Taylor.

Yes.

As being a backup. That's what I said, too.
I said one or two. Yeah.
Gardner Minshew. He had, man, he had some nice balls, nice deep balls in this game.
I didn't watch too much of it. Just what they showed me on red zone.
And from what I saw, he's, he can still sling it. So I, I bet on the Raiders.
So I watched the majority of this game. The Raiders couldn't do anything, uh, besides Aiden O'Connell to Devante Adams.
And, um, they had a chance at the end where the Colts lined up for a kick, missed the kick, the Raiders were off sides. So it went from – they had cut it to a seven-point game.
They missed the kick, get to re-kick, hit it. It's a ten-point game.
Raiders cover in the back door with like a minute left. But, yeah, the Colts controlled this game of and if the Raiders wanted to win this game they just should have deleted the interim tag yeah Antonio Pierce and they would have won that game yeah the Raiders fought to the to the dying end and they were still alive going into this game Mark Davis if you're a listener I hope you are a listener of this podcast think about how cheap it would be to hire Antonio Pierce all you have to do you have to just hire a guy with one of those scrapers to go to the door and just scrape the word interim off yeah you don't even have to change anything that's true just do it do it get some white out um the raiders defense also you can build on that because they were like they had gardner minshu running around for his life a few times and max crosby is a game wrecker so i think you just you They have to figure out the quarterback i don't know maybe it's a o'connell maybe it's aoc maybe it's aoc seem to like him a lot whatever happened to jimmy was he ever did he ever get healthy i think jimmy was he got injured and then they were just like okay we're gonna silently it you know what it is he's josh mcdaniel's guy yeah so they can say we don't want to go with jim anymore anymore because Josh was the one that was standing on the table being like, hey, have we called Jimmy yet? Have we gotten Jimmy over yet? Yeah.
How's Jimmy's physical looking? Oh, that shoulder looks fine to me. That ankle looks good.
Yeah. You're right.
You're right. And AOC, I mean, credit to him.
He realized that like, hey, Devontae Adams is still one of the best wide receivers in the league. So he just spammed that play.
Yeah. They couldn't cover it.
But, yeah, the Colts, like, I'm kind of – it's tough because Colts-Texans, like, I kind of want to see both teams in the playoffs now. They're both great stories this year.
If you're playing against those teams, definitely you'd rather play against the Colts, right? Correct. Correct.
Because I think the ceiling is higher with C.J. Strader just being crazy.
I'd rather play against the Jags. Yeah, I would rather play against the Jags.
Yeah, that's the team I would want to go up against. Yes.
Yeah, I mean the Browns fans are big Jags fans this weekend. Yes.
Coming up. Huge.
Because that would be a nice matchup. So the Texans-Titans was the other game.
This game was so bad. I'm actually happy that it was bad because I said in my head, I was like, this game's going to be bad.
I don't really have to think about it too much. Yeah.
And then it completely delivered. Yep.
Because the Titans, they got in the red zone once. Will Levis got knocked out.
He got knocked out. Ryan Tannehill came back in.
The Titans got in the red zone once. They had 170 yards of offense total, and they were one for 12 on third down.
And Will Anderson, is he officially now going to win Defensive Rookie of the Year?

He must.

No, there's another player.

Oh, yeah, your guy.

Well, also the guy.

You're thinking of Kalijah Kansi.

Yeah.

He's a guy that plays on the Eagles.

That's pretty good, too.

Oh.

Jalen Carter, right?

Jalen Carter.

I forgot about Jalen Carter.

Is he going to win Rookie of the Year?

Yes. He is.
Defensive Rookie of the Year. Will Anderson had two sacks.
Jalen Carter's right? Jalen Carter. I forgot about Jalen Carter.
Is he going to win Rookie of the Year? Yes.

He is.

Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Will Anderson had two sacks.

Jalen Carter's going to win.

Are you sure?

You guys have a pretty good defense then.

No.

We have very bad defense.

Oh, it's defense.

Oh, no.

Jalen Carter is still minus 550.

Yeah, he's probably going to win.

He is a wrecker, man.

Will Anderson, though, making big plays in important games.

Will Anderson is a beast.

Let's say that.

Jalen Carter had a sack yesterday.

I think that Will Anderson had two. Okay.
That's is a beast. Let's say that.
Jalen Carter had a sack yesterday.

I think that Will Anderson had two.

Okay.

That's double the amount of sacks.

Okay.

And also Will Anderson's team won.

Also Will Anderson's an edge rusher and Jalen Carter's interior, but it's fine.

I got to figure out.

Will Anderson's team won.

How many tackles for loss did Kalijah Kansi have yesterday?

That's big for me.

I'll look that up later.

Will Anderson's also not playing on a line of just like what was the best defensive line. We'll talk about that later we'll talk about that later except for the last game of the season where they didn't have any sacks yeah but no you plugged him in and will anderson they like about it later they traded up for will anderson and and people thought it was an overpay and it wasn't yeah he's awesome uh i think that mike variable is saving one last treat for the last game of the season the jags the jaguars oh it's so i think i think this is a look ahead game for mike variable he doesn't give a shit if the if the texans win this game yeah i'd agree all right let's take a break and then we'll come back and we'll finish uh the rest of the early games okay next up we we took a break to watch college football so now we we got everyone here.
49ers, 27 Commanders, 10 PFT. I'll let you say whatever you want to say.
I mean, good. This was good.
It was a good thing that happened. I've reached the point where I want – I'm feeling more of the clean slate vibes for next season.
Like, if anybody has been a part of the Dan Snyder era, I kind of want them gone. I wouldn't be distraught if they were gone.
We have some good players. Terry McLaurin looked better today.
We got him the ball some. That was great.
Sam Howell didn't look so hot. I still think he's here.
Also, shout out Jacoby Brissett for I think he just pretended to have that hamstring injury. And he was like, let Sam start it.
It was like in Rudy where they bring their jersey into coach, and Ron Rivera was like, Ron Rivera probably got the call from upstairs, benched Sam Howell, put in Jacoby Brissett. Ron Rivera probably went to Jacoby and said, hey, if you had a hamstring injury, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever.
Yep. I don't know what actually happened, but it doesn't really matter because this game didn't really matter.
We knew that the Niners were going to win.

The Niners losing to the Ravens just solidified in my brain and most people's brains.

They were going to destroy the commanders.

So basically all I did was watch the game, nodded my head in approval when we went down and stayed down.

And then I kept refreshing the tank-a-thon and just looking at the second overall pick

and thinking about Marvin Harrison, thinking about Drake May, thinking about Caleb Williams. You're taking a quarterback.
You guys could use a UNC quarterback. Let's be honest.
You're taking a quarterback. This podcast is more familiar with UNC quarterbacks than any other podcast in the history of the spoken word.
Yes, that's a fact. It is a're taking a quarterback we will probably be taking quarter i think you need to say it we will most likely be taking i think you need to say that you're taking a quarterback i think you need to understand that sam howell is probably hurt maybe yeah he might be and yeah he i'm not saying you like sam howell should still be on the roster yeah but he'd be be a damn good backup.
Taking a quarterback. Sam Howell, damn good backup.
Taking a quarterback. And I'm excited about whatever happens.
Don't say it. I want a brand new slate of everything.
I'm talking, I want, we got a new owner. I would like a new head coach, new general manager, new showers in the facility, new team name.
New TVs. tvs that was that was probably the funniest most notable part of the game yeah after the game the 49ers were were watching um the eagles which we'll get to in a little bit right max yeah we'll get to that they were watching the eagles cardinals the end of that game and they were you remember that r kelly tv that he was watching yeah that's kind of we have in the locker room, which actually I don't hate the fact that our opponents have to watch that TV.
If that's the same TV situation that we have in our own locker room. 100% is.
It probably is. That's an issue.
But yeah, just everything different. I've actually even thought about a different color scheme.
Now, I don't want that. I just bought you those shoes.
Yeah, they're great shoes. Thank you.
I don't want that, but you those shoes i don't yeah they're great shoes thank you i don't want that but i'm okay with everything i want to wipe dan snyder's memory from my brain entirely what's a good color quarterback yeah maybe what color scheme would you like in a perfect world uh it's i'd have to think about the probably burgundy and gold still like that's that's, but why? I'm just curious. I would love to know what your color combination would be.
Carolina blue. Match my eyes.
And burgundy? Carolina blue and burgundy. That'd be sick.
What about black and Carolina blue? That'd also be cool. That's the secondary color is Carolina blue.
Yeah, I like that. And we can even do the argyle diamonds on there futuristic yeah just everything needs to change everything in dc that's happened in the past 25 years needs to be done exactly the opposite so hey can you look up what the opposite colors of burgundy and gold are that's more of a jake project jake can you look that up? Yeah.
The, as for the 49ers, um, maybe just watching what happened with them against the Ravens and then watching them like kick the shit out of the commanders. It just feels different.
Like it feels different. I don't see the 49ers is the same way.
Like his boss bitches. Yeah.
It's just like, it's kind of the, the stepbrothers when the stepbrothers scene, when they fart and you're like, all this just is kind of fucked up now. is kind of fucked up now.
It's kind of weird. I don't know.
It's like, yeah, okay, you beat the commanders soundly. Yeah, they did what they were supposed to do.
Right, like you can beat teams when you get a lead. Yeah, and they're probably not going to play many players next week, right? Christian McCaffrey is going to be out.
He's going to be resting up. Yeah, my fantasy championship is fucked next week.
Yeah be tough for you fucked you have christian mccaffrey i have christian mccaffrey in three out of four of my leagues that sucks you probably have lamar too right i do have lamar is he not gonna play probably not god damn why would he god fucking damn it yeah all right but yeah do you agree with me that the the 49ers i the only thing that will fix it is they got to win their first-round playoff game

by like 100, and then I'm like, okay, now they're back.

But I just, like they beat the Commanders, and I was like, oh, that's cool.

Of course they did.

They beat everyone who's worse than them.

The Ravens just might be that good.

Yeah.

Because remember, they beat the Dallas Cowboys, and they beat the Eagles, right?

Who? The 49ers. 49ers, yeah.
Yeah, so they're a good team. They're a good team in the NFC.
You know who else beat the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles? Well, you have to be a good team. Oh, we'll get to that.
That's my point, Big Cat. Yeah, yeah.
It's like if you're good enough to beat the two juggernauts, supposed juggernauts, of the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles, you're an excellent team that's contending for a Super Bowl. Yeah.
You have to be. That's a good point.
Thank you. That's a good point.
Really good point. Purdy, by the way, broke the franchise record for yards.
I saw that, which is crazy. Crazy.
My first instinct was, yeah, but it's a 17-game season. And then I remembered, oh, yeah, they've played 16 games.
Yeah. There have been a couple other good quarterbacks for the 49ers over the years.
And Brock Purdy also missed, what, three games, two games? No. One game? No.
He got bounced. He didn't miss any games.
He got bounced out of a couple games, didn't he? Yeah, he got concussed. And then he didn't miss a game.
Remember? I thought he missed at least a few halves of games. He missed some halves, but I don't think he ever missed a start, which was curious.
Well, good for him. Yeah, good for him.
Good for Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy.
I think the Brock Purdy haters are few and far between at this point. PFT, the opposite color of burgundy is teal, and the opposite of gold is royal blue.
Teal and royal blue. How do they figure out? Wouldn't the opposite of gold be silver? I'm just looking according to the color wheel.
That'd be second place to go. Yeah, that's the opposite of first place.
The opposite of gold is actually a participation trophy. That's true.
I don't know what team shares teal and royal blue. Coastal Carolina.

Okay. Maybe.
Maybe. The shade clears.
Yeah. That's a big.
That's only teal. That's a big time college or like minor.
Yeah, you can't be too college. Yeah.
Okay. Let's stick with Burgundy.
That's the only thing that can stay. You just got the shoes.
I know. You just got the shoes.
Okay. Next up, Bills Patriots.
the Bills are now going to play for

the most bills way to end this season. And I know that obviously they have other paths to get in, but judging how everyone else is motivated, like the Ravens aren't going to play hard.
The Jaguars, they could definitely lose the Titans, but let's assume the Jaguars and the Steelers win their games on Sunday night the Buffalo Bills will be playing for the second seed in the playoffs or not being in the playoffs which is so perfectly 2023 Bills they could play for the sixth seed too I think that if the I'm saying if the Jaguars and Steelers win before they play they will be playing officially for the second seed or be out of the playoffs at game time yeah which is it's it's wild and i think the bills are going to do it because i think the dolphins are frauds um and the patriots in this game uh bailey zappy did not put together a good half yeah but they hung around well the bills yeah, the Bills, yeah, the Bills didn't play well either. We had an old-school Josh smashing all the buttons, that one lateral that he made while he was getting torn down.
Sick lateral, though. Their offense did not look great.
Razul Douglas, who we talked about a lot on this podcast, was incredible. He was awesome.
His two interceptions. I think he had actually another one where it was called back where he like forced it um yeah he's the greatest signing mid mid-season signing in nfl history yes he's a nice boost the patriots they this game did not matter to the to our patriots next week is our super bowl against the jets fact or fiction fiction why you want to you want to lose because as you know a Patriots fan, we're looking at Tankathon.
Yeah. But you know Bill Belichick can't.
He can't tank against the Jets. He can't.
They won't, but it's not the most important game in our franchise. It could be, though.
We're going to beat the Jets. It's the fucking Jets.
It's going to be an easy win. Yeah.
And I'm going to be upset about it. So are you.
No, listen, I love Bill i love bill i love him so much i want to see him go out uh with a win i think it mean a lot to all patriots nation greater new oh he's not that he's not going anywhere yet well i i read something that said that he was from was it jeff howe he's plugged in right yeah yeah so i listen i think that what's most important is we want to send bill out on a high note it's funny because like next week i'm going to be rooting for hank um max is going to be rooting for max again because he's selfish he's only roots for max he's selfish but um memes is going to be rooting also for Hank next week. I think we're just on Team Hank next week.
You don't want the Jess to win memes? No, I want the Patriots to fall now because I'm in fear of them getting Caleb Williams. Okay, fair.
Okay, so you're going to try to tank. How are you going to tank? I don't know.
You could maybe start Mac Jones. That would be hilarious.
Well, there is a comparison. There is a graphic floating around out there of the two quarterback stats of this year, and they're basically exactly the same.
Yeah. I could have told you that with my eyes.
Slightly better. Yeah.
Yeah. That's not really.
Well, Mac Jones at the end was way worse. Yeah.
Like he had the yips, and he was just lofting balls to defensive backs. But the two interceptions, Bailey Zabby threw away.
Yeah, no, they were bad. They were really bad.
I don't know that that's not the yips. They were Mac Jones-like.
There was one that he underthrew by about six yards, and that screamed Mac to me. We're also, Hank, we're going to have to be on our P's and Q's with the strength of schedule, because I don't know how that's going to shake out.
There's other matchups that we have to watch. In case the Patriots do lose that game, the Commanders also lose.
There's three other games across the NFL that we have to root to go a certain way, because that's how they're going to decide who would get the second pick, who would get the third, who would get the fourth pick.

I'm sorry, but this is foreign to me.

You guys still don't know what pick you're going to have?

We don't know what pick we're going to have just yet.

Yeah.

So explain this to me.

Unless the NFL takes away the draft pick from David Tepper as a punishment.

It's not their draft pick anymore.

It's ours.

They can take away next year's.

Right now it says it's Carolina's.

They can take away our next year's. Right now it says it's Carolina's.
They can take away our next

year's. What was the

what has to happen?

I'm not sure exactly. If we both

lose, then there's three other games

week 18. Oh, for the

strength of schedule. We gotta figure that out.

I think I'm rooting for the Saints.

I don't know. You don't know who you're

rooting for? I'm rooting for the Jets. I gotta have all my

scenarios in front of me by game time. Jets

win, commanders win,

Patriots win. I do think it is

... I don't know.
You don't know who you're rooting for? I'm rooting for the Jets. I got to have all my scenarios in front of me by game time.

Jets win, commanders win, Patriots win. I do think it needs to be repeated because I just had a memory of that video

of the Bills fan lighting himself on fire, which was awesome.

Bills mafia just going crazy for the last home game.

The fact that the Bills could potentially have two home games in the playoffs because if they're the two seed they'd probably they'd have two home games they won their first game or to be sitting on the couch is insane i don't know if that like volatility has ever happened in week 18 i don't know i don't know but it is going to be nuts and i'm hoping that the bills win because it would be great to see buffalo get those home playoff games yes two of two of them. Oh, that's funny.
Two of them. Two of them.
Two of them. Okay, next up, Bears foul.
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Bears are building something.

They're basically identical to what the Lions

did last year in the fact that they

That was a funny laugh by Hank. I'm not laughing

at your statement. I'm laughing at Hank.

People like you, they're your idiots.

Okay. Tell me how it was

different.

Tell me how it was different.

The Lions started 1-6

last year.

And then they almost... Okay.
All right. Tell me how it was different.
Tell me how it was different. Tell me how it was different.

The Lions started 1-6 last year.

And then they almost made the playoffs.

Yeah.

And the Bears almost made the playoffs this year.

Weren't they out of the playoffs last week?

No. They were eliminated on Sunday Night Football, idiot.

Oh, God.

Week 17.

And now they get to play the Packers and maybe bounce the Packers. It was basically like 6 days different that the Bears got eliminated versus the Lions last year this is what I deal with I just listen to you talk about the Bears and it's like they're bad they're bad they were bad for the start of the season have I not been talking so the Bearsing around their coach, and they have a quarterback that everyone in the city loves? Let me talk.
I don't think so. Let me talk.
PFT? Have I not been saying the Bears are playing really good ball for the last month and a half? Here's how the season went. They're bad.
They're bad. They're terrible.
They suck. They won a game, but they're still bad.
They're bad. They're bad.
They're bad. Their defense is pretty good.
Their defense is good again. Their defense is really good.
Yes. They're not a bad team.
Yes. I'm depressed because they lost against the Packers.
That sucks. No, the Browns.
The Browns. That sucks.
That way we won't be playing to get into the playoffs against the Packers. Right.
The Bears are still okay. The Bears are all right.
They're pretty good now. It's been a trajectory upwards for the last month and a half of me saying the Bears are playing good football and they're better than the Eagles right now.
Max admitted that. That's true, objectively.
They actually probably might be playing the best ball in this room. I'm going to say it right now.
You guys played the Cardinals, right? Yeah, we kicked the shit out of the Cardinals. Okay, interesting.
Kicked the shit out. And they beat the Cowboys.
And the Cowboys. We'll get to that.
Sorry I'm excited about my team, Hank. I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to laugh. No, it was really hurtful.
That's what I deal with every day online. The Lions have a coach that the city and the team rallies behind, and they have a quarterback.
I don't know if you've heard. Everyone in the city is behind the quarterback all right form the bears have the debate every single day and no one knows where to go guess what i'm not having the debate anymore here's where the comparison falls apart i've stopped having the debate justin fields we're keeping justin fields we're taking all the picks we're getting more picks we're drafting marvin harrison yeah i can't decide i i don't decide that he's back so i have to say he's got the guys playing hard that's where the comparison falls apart is what one team has a coach that is uh coaching with focused rage and is intense and awesome and the other coach is dan campbell is dan campbell the other coach spends all this time thinking about what he's going to feed his cats for dinner fine you guys don't want to want me to be happy.
It's fine. I'm happy.
No, I do want you to be happy. I'm more pointed to him.
You shouldn't be. He's being a real dick.
I know it's beyond your control, but you should not be happy that Matt Eberfluss is coming back. What do you mean you don't want me to be happy? We want our teams to be happy in this room? Yeah.
You know, I'm saying this room. This room is the three of us.
The three guys that control the draft. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, no. No one wants my team to be good.
No one wants my team to be good. Oh, yeah.
But we're not even... I can't even say they're good.
Max, I want your team to be good. And I've been...
Same. Fuck off.
You want my team to be good. I want your team to be good.
I do not want your team to be great. Last year, I wanted your win the super bowl you fucking asshole same i rooted for them the entire year people were mad at me because i was so fucking pro philly last year same what does that not count yeah no it's all for not well that's not my fault that's the fucking turf's fault either way i'm very excited about the bears future i think everything's in front of them I still trust in whatever Ryan pulls the the Carolina trade is going to go down as one of the worst trades for for care for the for one team ever the fact that we got their first the first pick overall DJ Moore and their second rounder next year it's crazy so the draft goes through Ryan pulls again so I was thinking about again Max going to be rooting for me.
I'm going to be rooting for Hank. Hank is going to be rooting for memes.
And you. And me.
And then Big Cat is going to be rooting for Caleb Williams to not get hit by a bus. We're not drafting Caleb Williams.
I know, but you don't want him to get. Yes, that's true.
Because of the trade. Yes.
And I'm rooting to beat the Packers because now week 18, I'll say it. It's my Super Bowl.
I don't care. It should be.
And guess what? If the Bears win, Packers fans will be crying, crying, crying, and it will be great, and I'll fucking love every second of it. You don't even know that we're playing to bounce the Packers.
Yeah, I do. Lions did it last year.
Oh, that's very similar. I know.
All right. Well, you know what? Jake, put a reminder on this exact conversation.
Yep. Week six next year when the Bears are four and two or five and one.
This is going to age nice. Oh, I can't wait for this.
I can't wait for this. The Bears are going to be good next year.
They are. That's on the Big Cat soundboard.
The Bears are going to be good in 2024. I'm saying it right now.
This team is playing fucking good football. Justin Fields looks good.
These guys are playing for each other. The defense is legit.
We have all the draft capital. We have all the fucking cap space.
I don't care that this might be a terrible soundbite for me next year, but I'm saying it right now, and I believe it. My Justin trevor lawrence take is not as smelly as it used to be oh he i just i here's what it really comes down to

is i'm scared the grass is not greener so just let's keep let's just keep loading up all the

weapons and let's let's keep we need a new offensive coordinator that's a fact what you

you just never pay want to pay your quarterback oh what happened your quarterback the rest of the team just sucks this is different because your guy is like he's a big threat with his legs oh true and i mean but he still could be a good good player well i think the leaders we have two years yeah you got to pay him you're gonna have how many more how many? But maybe he becomes so good that it's like, I would love to pay him. But that's always the case.
And then you pay him and the rest of your team sucks. Quarterbacks are the new running backs.
Yeah. No, I never pay a quarterback.
I'm ready for that take. But we also have a ton of picks.
So maybe all the guys will be young and cheap. How many picks did the Eagles have in the first round last year? We're talking about the eagles right now yeah we'll get to that later hank really fucking no we have one more game hank really fucking bummed me out he didn't even watch football this week it was a funny laugh hank gave though it's so pure well just like the hank what do you think though what do you think the the bears record is in the last seven games five and two oh you did know that so you're a fucking dick you just i feel like they've been playing tomato cans though they beat the lions they almost beat them twice did that not happen that happened they should have they should have beat the lions yeah they should have beat them twice they should have beat them twice should have beat the browns if that fucking guy doesn't drop who's the who's the tight end that we got from i guess it's more my my laugh just because of the robert tonyan yeah he dropped that ball we're in chicago i live here now i'm a resident i i see the discourse people are all over the place about the bears very confused like what's because that was not the case with the lions the everyone last year with the lions was like this is our team this is our city we're going the bears is like get rid of the coach get rid of the quarterback well no we can't other side of that i know but he's back but people that's been decided that was why i laughed that's what i would be concerned about dweeber flus it's fine everything's gonna be fine i still want harbaugh but yeah that would be great would you think the bears gonna be yes yes okay it's not all fucking work on it i'll figure out a way you can't do dweeb floose again he's i said i was trusting i said i was giving my my mind body and soul over to ryan poles and he decided we're doing dweeb floose all right so there's nothing i can do it's a bad you give your mind body and soul over to a gm there he decided we're doing Dweeb Reflus.
All right. So there's nothing I can do.
It's a bad. You give your mind, body, and soul over to a GM.
There's literally nothing that I will follow him to the depths of hell. He should take a demotion.
Yeah, he's a good defensive coordinator. He should say, you know what? Being a head coach sucks.
He clearly doesn't like being a head coach. He doesn't like, I think he likes coaching football as a head coach.
I don't think he likes any of the extra stuff that goes along with it because no sane person would like to do that like talk to the media when you stink try to dispel rumors about your coaches getting fired for hr reasons that you never disclose like that part of being a head coach is the worst yeah so he should just be like you know what being a position coach is actually not that bad i'm happy to do it Let's just let somebody else come in, and he'll be the cover guy for me.

I just want – yeah, no, you're right.

Everything you just said is correct,

especially if you just let him keep his parking space.

He's probably got the best parking space.

Yeah.

It's like, dude, you get to keep it.

He doesn't have to worry about changing schools.

Yeah, Harbaugh doesn't even need an office.

Yeah.

Football field is his office.

That's right.

I just want the record to show whatever time stamp.

You maybe even put it in the YouTube time stamp that Hank really hurt my feelings.

Okay.

Jaguars, Panthers.

You did.

You hurt my feelings.

I'm sorry.

Really badly.

I'm really excited about the Bears future.

And you just dumped cold water all over it and kicked me in the nuts.

Hurt people hurt people.

Yeah.

Good point, P.F.

And his team's not very good

our team's not very good i'm un-gaslighting you're you're gaslighting no by letting him believe that this is all good and i'm just trying to the bears have been good expectations i have i know you just want me to say attention to football you don't watch football win a bet true i won you hate football play quorum touchdown you hate football you like tom brady backs yes okay Last game before the game we want to get to.

Jaguars 26, Panthers 0.

This game... You hate football.
You like Tom Brady. Facts.
Yes. Okay.
That's a fact.

Last game before the game we want to get to. Jaguars 26, Panthers 0.
This game, the story is, well, the Jaguars played well. Their defense woke up.
It was against the Panthers offense. And Trevor Lawrence didn't play.
Jaguars are now in a, if they win, they win the AFC South. If they lose, they can still maybe get in.
But they would need help. can't really judge the Jaguars if they're back to being

the early season Jaguars off a game against the Panthers the big story is David Tepper is now officially uh he's the new Dan Snyder because he he got there was a video of him he's got about 20 years left of doing this type of stuff he's on the path yeah he's definitely he is he is the number one as the most he might be fast tracking yes yes so he threw a drink at a uh fan a panthers fan who is heckling him or sorry was it jaguars i think it was jaguars jaguars fan we don't know what was said to him we don't know what words were exchanged i you know what i don't really care what words are exchanged because if you have uh over a billion dollars i don't think words should be able to hurt you to the point where you throw a drink at someone yeah i blame taylor swift she was the one that started the whole alcohol and the sweets thing this season and i think tepper saw that and was like oh that's cool i think that's a cool thing to do all the popular celebrities are doing it so he's up there with his drink and uh there is actually a quote i looked up from miss swift um sounds exactly like it describes the situation i left you out there standing crestfallen on the landing champagne problems oh it sounds exactly what he was doing was dumping some some veuve or some away yeah uh it was pepper we we support you if you come out and say that it was taylor swift's fault yes 100 100 support you and have your back so uh it's a very it's a bad look bad thing to do scumbag move i think it's yeah like bad look doesn't even scumbag doesn't even qualify it's like it's the worst look you can have as an owner of an nfl franchise yeah hey listen i'm not going to make excuses but te might have some of that affluenza. You remember that defense that that kid gave a while ago? Yeah.
He grew up wealthy, so he didn't know that drunk driving was a crime. He might have affluenza to the point where he's so rich that he cannot be held liable for anything that he does.
He doesn't realize that was a crime. Yeah.
I mean, say what you want about Dan Snyder, but he would never waste a glass of non-expired

alcohol on a fan.

That's true.

David Tepper, your problem is not that you threw.

Well, your problem is that you threw a drink at a fan, but your big problem is Mike Florio

is on your ass now.

Mike Florio said throwing a drink onto paying customers violates the NFL's personal conduct

policy.

The NFL needs to make a swift and strong statement about Panthers owner David Tepper's behavior in Jacksonville. He's getting suspended.
He might get suspended, which is a very funny thing to do for an owner. Yeah, but I mean, could you imagine like that? Panthers might become the most attractive job.
David Tepper's no longer there to bother you. 100% it would.
Yeah. Yeah.
I just think I think personally the response from Goodell should be not to take away the panthers draft pick that seems too harsh i would dock that i would move their draft pick down one slot next i think that's fine next year you can can't take what's not yours but yeah it was it was funny because he he threw the drink and then he tossed the cup and then he walked away and he had his goon step in instead of standing on business and packing it up.

If he had gotten to a fight, like a fight that you see in the stands from that suite with the fan, I would have respected that more.

But he threw the drink and then walked away.

It was a coward drink.

Yeah.

David Tepper's so dumb, he might just be like, well, he said something racist to me.

Yeah.

Like what?

Baldus.

Where's David Tepper?

Yeah.

What's David Tepper's nationality or ethnicity?

Thank you. Well, he said something racist to me.
Yeah. Like, what? Baldus.
Where's David Tepper? Yeah. What's David Tepper's nationality or ethnicity? Let's find this.
Pittsburgh. He might have said something about Pittsburgh.
Yeah. Well, he's one of those.
I think there's like four owners in the NFL that used to be. Here's where it is.
He was a minority owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, so he considers himself to be a minority. Minority, yeah.
Yeah. Like, i wish you were still a minority owner yeah drink drink in your face yeah but this is uh when i had dinner with his wife she wasn't spilling any drinks if you know what i mean yeah they were all finding a home yeah i do know you mean the uh i it will be very interesting what happens though because you can't he really is the worst owner very quickly this happened like so fast it's cartoonish It's like Cruella de vil stuff yeah which i yeah he's he's he's won away from from like kicking a kid like a sick kid or like stealing a kid's like candy yeah taking candy from a baby yeah running over a dog yeah that sort of thing he might do all of these yeah like pushing up yeah like pushing an old lady in a wheelchair into oncoming traffic.

Yeah.

David Tepper could do any of these. He is the worst.

I still do love the story that he bought his former boss's mansion just to bulldoze it to the ground.

Yeah.

I have a fucked up question.

Is David Tepper the one guy in America right now who it wouldn't be the worst if he was on the Epstein thing because then they wouldn't talk about the drink. That's true.
It's like just bury the headline. I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons.
There's there's there's levels to fires and he'd have to put out that fire before he puts out the drink. Everyone forget about it for sure.
It would be it would immediately immediately his PR team would be focusing on a way bigger different problem yeah i wonder if so that one gets solved i wonder if there's gonna be anybody in sports that gets caught up in that whitlock whitlock we're lucky he was gonna be my who's back of the week but yeah let's save that i want you to tell the whole story it's the tweet of the year yeah it Yeah, it is. It's 2024 ratio of the year.
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Cardinals, 35.

Eagles, 31.

What? series S and X and Steam. Cardinals 35, Eagles 31.
That's your cue. This is your show.
Okay, Cardinals 35, Eagles 31. Are there any Philadelphia Eagles fans on this show? Correct.
That's not an answer. Pug? Pug? Pug was at the game.
Pug was at the game. Oh, pug was at the game pug what were your thoughts on the game in two words or less one miserable one of them was so wait how do we yeah i was gonna say how do we know that was pug this was embarrassing for the eagles the fans are upset they want everybody fired i saw some people want Howie fired.
Some people want Nick Sirianni fired.

Turning on all your guys.

Disappointed. Some are saying that

maybe Jalen's not the guy anymore.

People are upset at AJ.

There's a lot of blame to go around.

Gilly banned the players from going out on

New Year's Eve. Banned them from going out

to celebrate. You can't celebrate something like that.

Max, from your perspective,

as an Eagles fan, how much did this game make you want to not exist anymore uh no there was a there was a sense of relief i stand to know i i i stand by i stand by that there was a sense of relief because you now you just know this team is bad There's no expectations at all going forward. It's like kind of a weight lifted off your shoulder because if they found a way to win that game late, you still would have been like, this team is really bad, but whatever, we won, and we're still in play for the 1C, blah, blah, blah.
Now that they lost, it's like, this team's bad. This team is just legitimately bad, and there's no reason that they should win any playoff game rather than get the one seed.
Okay, so rank the things that are bad about this team right now. In your mind, what are the top three problems? Coaching, number one.
Yeah, Nick Sirianni. Remember we talked about this? It's not so funny anymore.
Yeah, and that was the whole thing is that there was never a moment of like philly

galvanizing or like everyone thought that nick sirianni was corny all the time but it was like oh he's winning football he's winning football games so like we can handle the corniness we can handle him doing the bullshit at the press conferences wearing all the whatever but now that he's losing and losing because of him or because of the coaching is just an easy reason to for philadelphia to just latch on how bad of a coach he is an unlikable guy and piece of shit he's a piece of shit yeah he's a piece of shit that seems personal that goes beyond coaching he's bad coach what about what about big dom yeah because the eagles are now yeah they're 0- coaching. He's a bad coach.
What about Big Dom?

Yeah. Because the Eagles are now 0-4.
He's back in two weeks, though. We beat the Giants.
Oh, you beat the Giants. I forgot about that.
You forgot about that yesterday, too. I did, yeah.
You are, since, I hate when people are like, oh, this team won their week, you know, seven Super Bowl. but since you beat the chiefs and nick sirianni walked in the tunnel and said see ya and like held his crotch and did that whole thing you guys are two and four yeah well one of those was the bills the next week so it's really since the bills you know what the worst is the bills the is you thought you had such a big window, and now it seems like there might not be a window at all.
Yeah. I don't know.
Paying the quarterback. You pay the quarterback, the window closes.
Yeah, so do you actually – are you upset with the contract or are you upset with Jalen? I mean, I'm not upset with the contract. I'm upset with the team.
That, that's just how the NFL works right now. Good quarterbacks need that money.
But then the team just isn't as... I don't think the Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl this year.
Scale of 1 to 10, though. But the Chiefs do have a home playoff game.
That's a good point. And they won their division.
That's the first step. Fuck about a home playoff game after what just happened at home yesterday.
But that's the first step. You know, when you do the whole thing, got to win your division.
Yeah. Then you got to win a playoff game.
The Chiefs did win their division. I don't care about winning divisions.
Well, that's the first step. We're not hanging banners for winning fucking divisions.
Are you only saying that because you're not winning your division? No, I don't put that. I think they quite literally put up the banners for winning divisions.
That's definitely like in every sport.

No, maybe they put like.

Division champs with the years.

Yeah.

Yeah, with the years.

That's a banner.

That's a banner.

No, no, no.

You know what the fuck.

See, you guys always do this.

You know what the fuck I'm saying.

Like the actual banner.

No, no.

No, they literally have a banner.

No.

They do.

No.

Have you been to a sports stadium?

The banner is like what the Colts did when they made it to the – that is the fucking banner. It's a standalone fucking banner.
Putting the year under like there's 25 different years on there. There's not like banner night for like putting the year on a banner that already fucking exists.
That's not the banner. You're talking about banner night.
You all know what the fucking banner is. No one fucking cares.
Is there

a banner, though, flying there?

Actually, I'm looking right now. I'm seeing

2019

NFC East Division Champions,

2013 NFC East Division

Champions. Right next to the Super Bowl banner.

There's individual banners. Oh, no.

Alright, fine.

Whatever.

No one gives a fuck about winning the division. Well, no, the banners.
But there's banners. I'm looking at multiple banners right now.
It also means you get a home playoff game. Yeah, you get a home playoff game.
Which. How.
So talk me through that last drive. Max definitely went on the show being like, I'm not going to get worked up.
And then he's like, we don't hang banners. That last drive was pretty bad, Max.
Quarterback run, minus four yards. Quarterback run, minus six yards.
Timeout with four minutes to go. Bubble screen.
What the fuck is that? How is that winning winning football how is it how does that happen max skill one to ten though how confident are you still that jalen hurts is a guy jalen hurts played a good football game you can answer the question jalen hurts is the guy crucial drive he lost 10 yards combined in two plays it's's fucking play calling. There was nowhere for him.

I have a special guest.

DeAndre Swift.

DeAndre Swift.

There was one.

What?

It's actually Max from right after the game.

He sent us a personal video.

So let's make sure this gets on the podcast.

Today's December 31st. We're going to do this whole thing? No, we don't do the whole thing this is your extended cameo philadelphia eagles may as well be the worst team in the nfl this year their offense is putrid well the offense actually played pretty well today jalen hurts has got to be better decision making that last drive where you have to go win the football game, you have to make better plays to finish a drive and put seven points on the board.
If there's a quarterback run to the right, the fact that you think that you can. That was bad.
That was bad. But they scored points on that drive And lose seven yards is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

It sounds like you don't think he's the guy.

Yeah.

You're having doubts.

No, I'm not.

Jalen Hurts played it.

Look at his game.

He had a good game yesterday.

How's the Matt Patricia thing going?

He didn't get the ball.

Matt Patricia is bad.

The defense is just bad.

There's nothing you can do.

So back to my question that you didn't answer on Friday,

and I had memes answer, how do you feel knowing that your season is going to end tragically and there's nothing you can do about it? It ended tragically yesterday. Oh, it's over.
Yesterday was the tragic end. So will you be watching the playoff game? Yeah, playing spoiler.
In the playoffs. What if you win the playoff game? Then what happens? Spoiled.
what happened? They just go to the next spoil. What if you win the Super Bowl? Spoil to 2024.
They're just trying to spoil everyone. Jake was very helpful.
He sent over a tweet from the Philadelphia Eagles here. It is a tweet from July 24th of 2020.
It says, it's been a banner day. Shut the fuck up.
Fly Eagles fly, and it's the banner hanging day that they're celebrating. That's cool.
It was during COVID, so they were respectful of. Yeah, COVID's bullshit.
Yeah. Who gives a fuck about winning divisions? Who gives a fuck about winning divisions? It's important.
It's not important. Your team does.
Winning Super Bowls is important. Hey, credit to Jonathan Gannon, by the way, for keeping the Cardinals playing.
They're frisky. Yeah.
Playing teams tough. Seemed a little personal.
Players are playing hard for him. I hate this show.
What did you call him earlier, Nick Sirianni? He's a coordinator merchant? Yeah. I mean Shane Steichen must have been the head coach last year.

So do you think there's a chance Nick Sirianni

gets fired?

Like more so than

not. I think there's a chance he gets fired.

Even if they make the playoffs.

That would be the...

So they make the playoffs and they spoil somebody

in the playoffs. If they lose in the

first round. First round, that's where the line is.

Gone.

Okay.

Holy shit.

What a fall from grace.

Yeah.

That would be.

I don't know what he does.

I don't know.

Like, Shane Steichen going on and doing what he's doing,

and then the offense looking what it is without him is insane.

Like, he has to be gone. He's so bad.
He has to be gone. And Howie? Howie's fine.
Okay. But didn't get any linebackers? Linebackers are atrociously bad.
He tried. Like Shaq Leonard, I don't mind throwing a dart and giving it a chance, but he's bad.
Nick Morrow is a joke out there. I mean, our two linebackers must run 40s that are over a 5-5.
They suck. Shut up, Hank.
I feel bad for you. I agree with you.
Hank's being a little bitch today, Max. We can agree on that.
Yeah. Yeah, we can agree on that.
I'm sad for you. No, you're not.
No, I am. I hate when you guys lie.
No, no, no, no. I'm not lying.
Because this, I didn't want you to, like, you have given up. So it's not, the pain is not there anymore.
Like, we didn't get to see it. I wish we had been together for the Cardinals-Eagles game.
We're getting robbed of that because the playoffs are going to come and when you lose in the playoffs, you're going to be like, I knew they were going to lose in the playoffs. They stink.
So we've been robbed. So I am sad for you.
You're sad for you. I'm sad for you too.
You're sad for you. No, but I'm sad for you because I wanted your sadness to be more around us.
I'm sad for the listeners. Yeah.
It's a dark day. I think you'll figure out a way to get back up for them.
Yeah. What if they beat the Giants by like 20? They're dead.
Alright, so we now, and Max will say we're not being honest. I think we, Hank, PFT, and I, we need to root for the Eagles to win a playoff game.

Because that will get them back.

Right?

Mm-hmm.

If he plays, if you win a playoff game.

It depends how they win.

Oh, okay.

He's already a little back.

He's already a little back.

You go on the road to Tampa Bay, maybe.

He's already a little back, folks.

You beat Tampa Bay.

Yes.

Smush him.

In convincing fashion.

Smush him.

Shut him out. It would take three score.
It would take three score first round playoff win for me to be back. And then I'm fully back.
You're telling me you wouldn't get up for a game against the Cowboys. I would get up, but we would lose.
Going to Dallas? The defense. That's loser talk.
The defense is a bunch of losers. The division division is important what do you mean it's important yeah playing spoiler yeah you can spoil the cowboys yeah yeah in the second round of the first ever spoiler in a playoff yeah you spoil the cowboys then you go to the nfc championship game well it would probably be against that wouldn't it would probably be against the niners you probably you have to go yeah unless the line unless there's an upset yeah yeah okay i'm i'm what i'm happy i actually know you're not you're happy no i'm rooting for you I'm rooting for you to win a playoff game.

Hank?

Yeah, same.

I'm in.

PFT?

Yeah?

Yeah.

We're all rooting for you to win a playoff game. I want to see you happy before I see you sad.

Right, exactly.

We need to get you back up before we can tear you down again.

You got torn down when we were all on vacation.

We didn't get our fill.

The Maxiwana, we didn't get to smoke it.

Yeah, I don't know what you want me to say. Everybody was just like, I hate this show.
He's down bad. I thought the Eagles were going to win that game convincingly.
They were up. Yeah, well, they actually had, the Cardinals had the ball for two-thirds of the game yeah they kind of controlled the clock also max is you know that the eagles are 30th in the nfl on third down defense yeah it sounds about right like the like almost the worst i saw someone write an article max that said that was the worst eagles lost in the last 10 years yeah sure you think that i mean what about the super bowl super bowl Yeah but that's different like they played well in the Super Bowl yeah this is a stat that I that 28 days ago the Eagles were 10 and 1 Jalen Hurts was the clear MVP favorite oh no they the number one rush defense in the NFL oh man number six overall defense number overall defense.
Number four passing offense. Your foot wasn't hurting.
Yeah. Put that on a banner.
That is one. That's a banner.
Days ago. That's a banner.
28 days ago. I'm just wondering how does everything change? So it is pretty crazy how how how fast they have fallen to a point where now you're talking about firing this coach who went to a Super Bowl last year and was 28 days ago.
Say it again. I can't read it all.
Okay. No, just do it one more time.
I talked over you for part of it. I'm sorry.
Eagles were 10 and 1. Jalen Hurts was a clear MVP favorite.
Number one rush defense in the NFL. Number six overall defense.
Number four passing offense. Number four rushing offense.
That seems good. What happened? What happened 28 days ago? The gauntlet.
I told you told you the gauntlet no this was in the middle of the gauntlet yeah i know the gauntlet but but the gauntlet got you that that you could say that before the gauntlet but this was in the gauntlet right no i said that before the gauntlet i said the gauntlet's gonna get you and it did but the end of i guess the end of the gauntlet got us yeah you got tired from the gauntlet's going to get you. And it did.
But the end of, I guess the end of the gauntlet got us. Yeah.
You got tired from the gauntlet. The Cardinals are part of the gauntlet.
The gauntlet's still going on. And we lost to the fucking Jets.
Then you got the gauntlet next week with the Giants. That Jets win isn't looking as good, memes.
No. We're playing BCS.
it's crazy the cardinals could finish with four wins and depending on how week 18 goes three out of four of the wins are going to be against playoff teams yeah that's the steelers cowboys and the eagles that's awesome if you're gaining yeah you can point at that and be like build on that yeah he's kind of the i'd say the cardinals might be not like the lions of last year no but they're they're feisty only won four games uh okay speaking of steelers 30 seahawks 23 mike tomlin 17 straight years going over 500 this guy he gets to his ninth win it's incredible i know steelers fans uh are like not the happiest with mike thompson right now because they judge it in pittsburgh they judge it by by rings they're not hanging banners for winning afc north right so they judge it by rings and they haven't been to the super bowl in what 13 years but for everyone else in the nfl who roots for bad franchises that's an insane stat Yeah, it's our dream. I would love that so much if I were a Steelers fan.
But their defense, their pass rush is awesome, no matter what else you can say about the team. Tomlin's put together good defense.
They've got some stuff to be excited about there, and Mason Rudolph is not bad. So Mason Rudolph, Tomlin announced earlier today, if Kenny's ready to go, they're staying with Mason.

Ooh.

So they're going to ride the hot hand.

And, I mean.

The Steelers might be getting hot at the right time.

Yeah.

And also, Mason Rudolph realizes that George Pickens is really good and throwing the ball.

Mm-hmm.

It also limits the crazy outbursts if you just keep them happy.

Right.

He's, yeah, the Steelers are, Steelers have turned around to, like,

they're playing good ball. Najee Harris, you see that stiff arm yeah that's sick little boydom yeah big time you little small and the Seahawks are uh I feel like they have to hit another reset button they've kind of been delaying the reset button because the quarterback situation I don't think they they truly believe that Geno is the long- answer.
No, the contract they gave him shows that they don't.

They don't.

So they're probably going to address that at some point soon.

But the rest of the team is really good.

I know.

They have so many guys.

It's like.

Yeah.

And this season just kind of got away from them.

If they had a really good quarterback, the Seahawks would be a contender.

Should we blame the stadium?

Should we blame the fans?

Sure.

You couldn't go in Seattle and win a game there for a long time. They're more focused on Huskies games this year.
Yeah. You can't have both.
I'd agree. I'd agree.
Okay. Wrapping up, Broncos 16, Chargers 6.
Broncos eliminated. Yep.
They're done. And more news has trickled out about the Russell Wilson situation

where they're actually filing a grievance.

They did file a grievance with the NFLPA when they told Russ back after they beat the Chiefs,

you have to change your contract or else you're going to get benched.

And now Russ, he's in this weird position where he does have, like,

people are rooting for Russ.

Yeah, no, I felt bad for him when I saw that press conference.

It was like they told me that they were going to bench me if I didn't change my whole contract. We were winning games.
We had just beaten the Chiefs. Yeah, so it's weird timing.
I also don't. I imagine that this sort of thing happens a lot in the NFL.
We just don't hear about it, and they probably don't tell the players straight up. Right.
Like, hey, you need to take this much less money. Right.
Or else we're just going to bench you for a while. So I think it happens a lot lot the fact that it happened to Russ feels like there's probably some other owners and GMs out there that are pissed off that this news got out yes it's like this is kind of yes we had a pretty good thing going until George Patton had to talk to Russ Wilson about it and then he gets on the phone with his agent and now it's a big news story yes I'd agree with you on that and uh As for this game yeah jared stidham good job yeah this game stunk yeah this game stunk uh last one chiefs bengals chiefs 25 bengals 17 credit to us we were the first to tell you that the chiefs were going to win the afc west they just won their eighth straight afc west title i think we said that in december of last year.
Yeah. You know what? They would do that again? Congratulations to the Chiefs for winning the 2024 AFC West.
Yeah. Let's do it.
Good job, guys. Congrats.
Nine straight. What an accomplishment.
Do you want a preseason reminder? No, we just did it. That's our reminder.
We just said it. Okay.
We just said they won the AFC West next year. They're going to do it.
Yeah. They already did it.
Yeah, they just did it. We just congratulated we just congratulated i have a take about the chiefs yeah i think they might be dangerous oh because i think that this is the one time where the chiefs actually have the nobody believes in this card that they can play that's a fact and they try to play it all the time remember when travis kelsey was like nobody believes in us because the mayor of cincinnati said he thought the bangles were gonna win they they will dig through the through the trash they will go through a dumpster to find disrespect now the entire world is talking shit about them I mean I've I've always thought they're dangerous because Patrick Mahomes yeah also that yeah Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs like I I've wanted to count out the Chiefs a million times and be like no chance they could win the Super Bowl but it's Patrick Mahomes.
Yeah. So that part makes it so that they could always win the Super Bowl.
I think they're very scary in the playoffs. Yeah.
I mean, they won this game with defense in the second half. They completely shut down the Bengals and kicking.
They kicked six straight field goals to win by eight. And at some point, they have to find a receiver.
At some point, it's got to and also special teams did you see um uh richie james uh return a punt from the end zone that was special yep that was very special uh yeah they have a lot of bad things but they have patrick mahomes and a defense that can bow up and i i get the feeling like they're gonna be ready to go in the playoffs playoffs. Yeah.
I don't know. Did you see Jamar Chase get into it with Snead? Yeah.
Said he wouldn't fight him. He got locked up.
Yeah. Check the stats.
Snead's to check the stats. I also love the name Legereus.
Legereus. Almost as good as, we should have mentioned it, Little Jordan.
Little Jordan Humphrey, yeah. Little Jordan Humphrey did score a touchdown.

Yep.

Great name.

But yeah,

I like that the Bengals and Chiefs hate each other.

I would like to see the Chiefs just run the ball,

run the ball,

run the ball.

Like,

convert your offense into being old school smash mouth.

I got two words that are a problem.

Pacheco.

Yeah.

Just let him stomp people out.

So I got two words that are a problem for that.

Andy Reid.

Yeah.

That's the problem. Well, does Matt Nagy like to run the ball jet sweeps okay that's a start that's a start it would just be interesting to see with that defense that they have yeah like play ball control football and then let patrick mahomes handle a deep throw every yeah take a shot yeah.
Have Tony drop a deep throw just to keep the defense honest.

Yeah.

No, they're... Patrick Mahomes,

I'll never count out Patrick Mahomes.

He's the new Tom Brady in that respect.

Don't count him out.

I don't think that Tony even played this weekend,

which was nice.

That might be...

Oh, no, yeah.

You might be right.

He might not have played.

That might be the key.

Yeah.

Addition by subtraction.

I saw a funny meme.

It was like,

Kadarius, Tony needs three more drops to get a $100,000 bonus. It's pretty good.
I like that. I love week 18 when everyone tries to figure out, like, they've hacked gambling because it's a very public thing about incentives.
Yeah. Like, they still have to play.
Still have to do it. but sometimes you can get a beat on a guy that a

coordinator or a quarterback likes

yeah like he's gonna get five catches

true true uh okay last

game Packers 33

Vikings 10 uh

Packers just kicked the shit out of the Vikings

Jordan Love looked awesome

I still don't understand why they started

Jaron Hall I don't really get it either

but I guess they want to evaluate

in a must win game like I know

Nick Mullins threw four interceptions

is I still don't understand why they started Jaron Hall. I don't really get it either, but I guess they want to evaluate.
In a must-win game? I know Nick Mullins threw four interceptions, but Nick Mullins can at least maybe get into a shootout and win you a game. Yeah, I think this was a case of – this has kind of happened with the Vikings in their backup situation all year where some guy will be hot for a second, and so their coach is like, I want to just magically figure out which guy is going to be hot this weekend.

I'm getting a good feeling about Jaron Hall.

He'll be hot, lightning in a bottle.

He chose the wrong guy.

Yeah, didn't work.

But yeah, Jordan Love looked incredible.

Jordan Love also, there was a lot of insult stats going around

that he has more touchdowns than any bear in the history of the franchise. Might I remind you, it's an 18-week season now.
So 17 games, not that impressive. Yep, good point.
Yep, so keep throwing that stat around, and I'll keep saying 17 games. Anyone can do it in 17 games.
Kirk Cousins was also in the crowd with his shirt off. Yeah.
That was interesting. Didn't really work.
That's probably why they got their shit kicked out. Is Kirk Cousins going to come back? I think he's, I would guess that he's going to come back to the Vikings.
I do too. I think that's what's going to happen.
Because he's a family guy. He probably doesn't spend any of his money that he's getting.
Nope. He'd probably be okay with taking a pay cut just to avoid the nuisance of having to move your family to a new city.
Right. That's the vibe I get from Kirk.
Right. He has to get like a, find a new Kohl's to go shop at.
Yeah. There's a lot of stuff.
I wouldn't, I mean, you've seen what's happened this year. It's kind of like a ringing endorsement of Kirk Cousins because you had a team that couldn't figure out the quarterback situation and Kirk Cousins is consistency.
Yep. Yeah.
So Kirk Cousins back to the Vikings. We're announcing that right now.
Okay. Anything else? I I'm in week 18 let's just look at the schedule real quick there's there is some fun like playoff seating there's a lot of teams that don't have to play for anything that Bill's Dolphins thing is going to be awesome to watch on Sunday night football we have we have a playoff game on Saturday night Texans versus Colts it's a and get in and then other than that i think it's like a lot of teams are locked in their seats i've got one more stat this is kind of an insult stat but more of a pro joe flacco stat okay uh joe flacco has one more touchdown to tie to sean watson for most touchdowns thrown or to tie to sean watson for amount of touchdowns thrown as a brown wow thought that was interesting that is an interesting stat um they have a decision to make who do you think is going to be in the playoffs if we fast forward to next sunday night do you think it's gonna be the bills i think it's gonna be the bills and then the texans let me do the playoff machine real quick oh you think col think Colts? I kind of feel into Colts, too.
That game's in Indianapolis. We need to give away tickets.
Huge game. Yeah, huge game.
Saturday night, if you have any ideas. We do.
I also told our guy over there that we might go to a playoff game if they host one. I think I said that, yeah.
That was a mistake. That was a mistake.
I think what we're going to be looking at here is the Bills. Yeah.
The Chiefs, obviously. Yeah.
I also think the Colts. Yeah.
The Browns. You think the Jaguars might lose? I think the Jaguars might lose.
So the Jaguars would be potentially out if the steelers ended up winning i'm doing the the

math right now if the steelers win it would be the steelers as the seven seed jaguars out yeah and we'd have the browns at the colts wow yeah afc is muddled and then the nfc i think it's probably going to be 49ers, Cowboys, Lions, Bucs, in order, Eagles, Rams, and then the Seahawks. Because the Bears are going to beat the Packers.
That's so much harder. What? NFC than AFC.
You think so? Yeah. What about the dangerous? What about the Browns, the Bills, the Chiefs, the Ravens? Those are all good teams.
I feel like the NFC is trending down. I actually think the Lions are now like, why aren't the Lions the second best team in the NFC? Yeah, but they lost to the Cowboys.
Yeah, that's true. They did.
Either way, I'm very excited. I actually think that the Cardinals might beat the Seahawks.

If the Cardinals beat the Seahawks, they should be in.

They should take the Eagles spot.

That would make the Saints getting into the playoffs against Dallas.

They should just make one random game week 18, win and get in,

just that it has no reason to be win and get in.

Like the Broncos and the Raiders winning get in?

That'd be fun.

Yeah.

Why not?

Just throw in an extra playoff spot.

Okay.

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It was a little fulfilled life. Very relaxing.
Did you play any golf?

Did play some family. Spent some time with some friends.
Oh, that's great. It was a very- Fulfilled life.
Very relaxing. Did you play any golf? Did play some golf.
Nice. Saw some music.
Went on Bourbon Street. Saw it or listened to it? What were you on? Listened to it.
Saw it. You felt the music? Well, you see music when you watch it, right? Well, if you hear it- Maybe under the influence of something.
Yeah, I guess I watched music. I listened to music live.
Watched it with my eyes. Got it.
And saw some shit? I felt it, yeah. I felt the music.
Nice. You seem like you're actually in pretty good shape for being in New Orleans with a bunch of friends.
How old was the music? What? I'm just curious if you felt the music. What? I'm just curious.
Okay uh yeah i feel good i i i do vacations as much as shit as you give it's it's very nice uh when you have a fun one and then you come back and you feel rejuvenated and excited to be back which i am dry january uh actually yeah i'm not gonna do anything until the stand-up show max and i are going to lift I'll be lifting as well I'll be doing working out I need I need something to talk about I need to clear my mind to PFT yeah Hank today is January 1st it's actually January 2nd right now I noticed that you walked into the gambling cave with two beers today yeah I did walk in with a Coors Light That was for a video, a vlog.

I did. cave with two beers today yes i did walk in with uh cores like that was for uh a video of a vlog i did i had one beer okay so not dry january that was like there's a huge huge huge difference between drinking a beer because you're doing a work thing and getting drunk yeah no you're doing pretty much dry january so you're saying like entertaining clients entertaining clients yeah like if if if there is a home dallas playoff game i might undrive that weekend you might get wet that weekend yeah uh my who's back of the week is wait are you gonna i want do you have your dac jersey still i think shane has it i also have i have i have no i have i have gear.
I have a ton. My who's back of the week is Conor McGregor.

Oh, what do you do?

He is...

This can always be bad.

No, he's fighting again in June 185.

Oh, big boy.

I forgot the name of the guy he's fighting.

It doesn't matter.

He's going to kill him.

Is it Colby?

There's only one Conor McGregor.

Michael Chandler.

Okay. Oh, no.
Chandler Colby. We like Michael Chandler.
Noandler no we like michael 29 all right we're rooting for michael chandler what i think he's uh like a barstool guy and i think he's friends with the boston boys i think we're michael i have no issue i'm rooting for michael chandler but i mcgregor mcgregor winning is the best okay i am rooting for michael chandler because he will will 100% be at Beer Olympics when we're competing PFT. So we should root for Michael Chandler.
Just in case. Same reason why we root for Marvin Harrison Jr.
all the time. Yep.
Michael Chandler, we're big fans of you. McGregor, I'm a big fan of you.
Okay. Will you be at Beer Olympics? Yeah, you should come now, actually.
That's Hank Lockwood that said that. Hank will have to be hank will do the video so how heavy is mcgregor normally way this is 185 seems like a lot because he's a small dude he's a big dude he's a big dude he's looking chonk huge i love it when fighters do that at the end of their career they step up in weight class just because they're out of shape yeah i love that yeah uh okay pft Okay, PFT, your who's back.
My who's back of the week, I have two, if that's okay. First one is Mickey Mouse.
Oh, yeah. Mickey Mouse is back because the original Mickey Mouse, Steamboat Willie, just entered the public domain, meaning anybody can now use that version of Mickey Mouse in designs.
So we should make a T-shirt. We should make part of my take Mickey Mouse shirts.
Yeah. How about that? Can we do that? Yeah.
Steamboat Willie, part of my take mickey mouse shirts yeah how about that can we do that yeah steamboat willie part of my take shirt get on that love it um no a's in mickey mouse so you're good my other who's back in the week is jason whitlock jason whitlock's back front of the program uh he tweeted out today he was looking at the espn.com website doing some research on what the nfl standings were and he took a picture of the screen with his phone and said, I'm looking at standings on ESPN.com website, doing some research on what the NFL standings were, and he took a picture of the screen with his phone.

He said, I'm looking at standings on ESPN.com.

This is the ad running above the standings.

How is this possible?

Appropriate?

The ad in question was a card that said,

balls deep inside of me is a great way to spend your birthday.

A nice, fun little birthday card.

As many people have pointed out, those ads are based on your search history they're cookies something that jason whitlock is intimately familiar with wasn't there more on the description of like what it was like great gifts for your boyfriend or your partner it's a one pack funny happy birthday him husband boyfriend birthday gifts decorations that's what the the rest of it is cut off um and it's got the shop now button right on there so um the internet has very politely answered his question about how it's possible but jason whitlock has yet to tweet about uh any sort of reaction to the advice he's been getting oh okay just remember clear that browsing history jason yeah that's i love when that happens that's an old school thing like that hasn't happened in a long time that was i remember when when google ads first came on the scene people would do that in like the barstool comment section and just out themselves for like looking at dildos and shit there was something somebody tweeted out a screenshot of like a gay cruise yeah i forget what that was like tickets to go on a gay cruise he's like why am i being served this ad who was that guy i was like a politics guy i saw it was i saw a nude cruise when i was in mexico a couple years ago it was wild just everyone was naked it's never the people that you want to see naked there's a lot of germans yeah and they were just like i don't know how you i don't understand how you go on a nude cruise and you're not like just rock hard. Just all banging each other all the time? Yeah, just be rock hard and it'd be kind of awkward.
Like none of the dudes were like rock hard and there were like chicks grinding on them and stuff. Yeah.
I was on a train one time in Spain and we were going by a beach and then on the beach there was just a giant brown tarp that was probably like a hundred feet wide and there were about 60 people just standing naked on it looking at each other not doing anything just standing there like we're naked oh this is us nudist i would i would interview a nudist on the show yeah nude nude have to be nude yeah hilarious yeah i'm gonna swim to Hank. Yeah.
All right. That's a summer thing we should do.

Like it.

Yeah.

Definitely.

Like, what's it like being nude all the time?

Breaking nudes.

Yeah.

New segment.

Why not?

All right.

My Who's Back of the Week is a certain...

Oh, Jake, do you have a pancake update?

I'm awaiting on one.

But from...

No, not from week 16.

I'm waiting on that, too.

Wait.

What do you mean you're waiting on one?

I'm waiting on two. Oh, you're waiting on...
We're two weeks behind on okay yeah that's very important uh but uh speaking of uh a player that i had to drop recently uh in our baseball draft uh wander franco is back in the news because i think he's like running from the law i believe okay. He might have shown up to court in his home country, but I bring it up because there's a guy who tweeted, Greg Ehrenberg said, two years ago my brother won a Topps redemption for a random piece of MLB memorabilia from an All-Star player.
Yesterday it finally came in the mail. They sent him a pair of pants used by Wander Franco.
I'm actually nervous this could be a piece of evidence. Yeah, it is.
It's definitely a piece of evidence. I also, when I saw this tweet, I immediately was like, Ravel's definitely going to try to own this.
Yeah, he's going to own those pants for sure. He's got to own this.
How much Wander Franco memorabilia do you think he has? At least one piece. Yeah.
How much post the news that he might be a pedophile? Is it worth more if it has DNA on it? Probably, yeah. Yeah, probably to Revell.
But yes, definitely to Revell. Two years waiting and that's what you get.
I'm going to get the semen authenticated. That's a good job by the MLB.
Really on top of it. The lawyer definitely had all his pants and was like, we need to get rid of these.
Yes, definitely. All right, Jake, finish us off.
Happy us off happy new year guys happy new year jake my who's back of the week is outdoor hockey we had the winter classic oh yeah and big cat you and blooper are not the only barstool employee versus mascot rivalry i saw this because our friend biz beat up the Seattle Kraken's Bowie.

He hit him with a microphone.

Yeah.

Good for Biz.

Put him in his place. Fight back.

Mascots can't get away with this.

You and Biz against Bowie and Blooper.

I mean, Blooper would fuck Blooper up so bad.

Max, is this a way for us to get our friendship back together?

What?

Just hating Blooper?

Yeah.

We hate Blooper.

Yeah. Max, also nova basketball good yeah they're probably gonna lose they got a couple cupcakes on the schedule coming up they're gonna lose no bad fashion our our boys down so bad you gotta get him excited it's late yeah but those teams are from philly it is late but still everybody be nice to Max when you listen to this because he had to stay up very late, and then all of his teams suck, so don't complain about the button being pressed.
And he hates the show. I'm sorry for yelling into the mic.
I was just about to tweet that. We wanted passion.
We got passion. I mean, we didn't.
I wasn't planning on it. I never thought that it would come up with the banners.
Yeah. That you.
That's your history. We don't hang banners.
We don't hang banners. That was dumb.
That was dumb. I'm sorry for yelling.
You don't celebrate banners. You personally don't recognize.
No, I personally don't give a fuck about divisional banners. They should take the banners down.
They should. Then why do you hate Dallas so much? I like beating Dallas because I don't like them.

Do they play in your division?

They do. You're playing for a division title?

Yeah.

You're playing for a lot of things, I guess.

Wait, would this continue the streak in the NFC East

of not having a repeat division champion going back to, what, 2006?

It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.
NFC Beast beat each other up. division champion going back to what 2006.

It's crazy.

Yeah, it's great.

NFC beast beat each other up.

Beat the fuck out of each other.

Okay.

Good show.

Reminder, we have a show on Friday because it's a weird schedule this week.

And then we'll be back to Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

All right.

And I think we're going to have a very special guest on Friday.

We have a couple of very special guests coming up.

Oh, one hiccup.

All right, numbers?

40.

Eight.

I think he hiccups when he gets sad.

Yeah.

20.

I'm rooting for you here, Max.

I'm rooting for Pug.

71.

53.

Same.

I'm with Pug.

Three.

I'm rooting for Pug. Shane.

Three.

10.

Why are you going to root for Pug, Max?

All right.

I'm sorry. It's Pug, dude.
I'm rooting for Pug. Yeah, but he's never going to get it, Max.
Ten. Why are you going to root for Pug, Max? All right.
I'm sorry. It's Pug, dude.
I'm rooting for this. Yeah, but he's never going to get it, Max.
Wow. 95.
95. 95.
Love you guys. I'm talking away.
I don't know what to say. I'm saying anyway.

Today is my day to find you shining away.

I'm coming for your love again.

Shining away.

I'm coming for your love again.

Take me.

Take me.

Take me. Take me.
Take me home See you next week. Thank you.
I'll be here I'll be here

I'll be here

Things that I say

And reason why

Just blame my word

I'm going to blame my burden in light You're all the things I've got to do in my mind Shine away, I'm coming to you in the daylight Shine away, I'm coming to you in the daylight Wake on me, Take on me. Take on me.
Take on me. Take on me.
Take on me. Take on me.
Take me. Take on me.
I'll be gone Take me, take me

Take me, take me

Take me, take me

Take me home Take me home