Julian Edelman In Studio, NFL Week 16 Picks And Preview Plus Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have our good friend Julian Edelman back on the show in studio. Came to visit us, just visit us.
It's a great time. We're going to do week 16 picks and preview.

Speaker 1 The race to see who has to do an hour set in Vegas is getting tighter. We got three picks for everyone.
Fantasy Fowlboys. Yeah, and it's the holidays.
And Fire Fest of the Week.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's go.

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Speaker 2 There's another part of sports.

Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take. Today is Friday, December 22nd.
And PFT, I do not want to watch Derek Carr play football anymore.

Speaker 2 No, no, I don't. There were fun last week against the Giants.
I don't know if that was just the Giant factor or if that was just them finding something that they'll never regain again. But

Speaker 2 yeah, they're bipolar. They're depressing and then they're fun for a little bit and then they're back to being depressing again.
Get the Saints off my TV.

Speaker 2 On the other side, though,

Speaker 2 I think we can say that the Rams are legit. Like they're they're a good, they're a good team.
I told you

Speaker 2 I believe it was right before they played the Cardinals. They had, I think, three wins at the time.
Take the over on the Rams. Season total is seven and a half.
Biggest bet of the year for him.

Speaker 2 He paid off tonight. Very happy about that.

Speaker 1 They, I'm going to say this, the Rams, I think they're officially dangerous. That's what they are.
They're dangerous. Matt Stafford playing great ball.

Speaker 1 I'm getting closer and closer, PFT, to also

Speaker 1 just going down like all the receipts of the Matt Stafford Hall of Fame. Because remember, we discussed it in 2018, I think.

Speaker 1 And I've been long saying, like, Matt Stafford's going to have all the stats. He's been in the league for so long.
He's been really good for so long. He's got the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Matt Stafford is a Hall of Famer, and watching him play football is fun. Like,

Speaker 1 the throws he makes, and

Speaker 1 it doesn't feel like it's gratuitous. It's like he's making some of these throws because he has to make these throws.
And Puka Nakua is awesome. Rams defense is playing well.

Speaker 1 They are, I'm putting it, tag them. Maybe make a graphic for me, memes.
Rams, officially dangerous. Like they,

Speaker 1 outside of maybe the 49ers, like I, is there any other team in the NFC you would, you'd be shocked if the Rams beat in the playoffs?

Speaker 2 No, not really. Not shocked.

Speaker 1 It would obviously be an upset for some of these teams.

Speaker 2 If they beat the Cowboys, I might be shocked just because of what happened earlier this season where they were down like 33 to 3 after it seemed like the first quarter.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 besides the Cowboys and the Niners, no,

Speaker 2 they could definitely beat any team in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Can I say something that's that I think there's probably a certain sect of our fan base that is listening right now that has played this out in their head.

Speaker 1 Matt Stafford

Speaker 1 going to Detroit, Lions' first home playoff game.

Speaker 1 Man, that would be brutal.

Speaker 2 Would not want that.

Speaker 1 That would not be fun. I don't want that.

Speaker 2 That's not fun for anybody. But yeah, he is making crazy throws on a weekly basis.
Like, he threw one out to the numbers from like a standstill.

Speaker 2 It probably went 30 yards in the air and just whipped it out there. He's got like a whip attached to his shoulder.
He's fun to watch. And I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like, I felt like Matt Stafford, the discussion around him was that he was getting old when he was

Speaker 2 tailing off his career, his last two seasons with the Lions. And no, he's, I think he's always just had that same arm.
That arm never goes away. It's just a matter of putting pieces around him.

Speaker 2 And the Rams have done it. I'd say, you know what? I think both teams won that trade.

Speaker 1 Well, the, the, the, discourse on Matt Stafford, like when he was, you know, last two years after the Super Bowl was fair because a back injury like who the knows you know that's wasn't that what he had back oh no his arm his arm got right

Speaker 2 i forget exactly

Speaker 1 i thought he had a back he he did have so many hits he did have a back at one point yes he had a back

Speaker 1 and i'm pretty sure he had arm maybe even two arms yeah he had a spinal contusion that's always a scary thing the discourse was will matt stafford retire right and thought he was gonna walk away and he looks like he's having fun he's balling the rams are dangerous i would like to hear from Lions fans.

Speaker 1 You can just tweet us and just maybe say, like, yeah, I've thought about it. That's all you have to say.
We don't have to actually address it, but I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 1 And it's not an unreasonable, like the Rams sneaking into the sixth spot. They're tied right now with the Vikings.
They'll technically be in the sixth spot after this game goes final.

Speaker 1 And the Lions are in the three spot.

Speaker 2 That's going to be a very weird spot for Matt Stafford, too. Going back to Detroit and playing against them in a playoff game.

Speaker 2 It's going to be weird for everybody. I'm going to feel just uncomfortable watching that.

Speaker 1 I think that would be the meanest, meanest thing to happen to the Lions. Like of all the things, that would be the meanest thing.
I don't want that to happen.

Speaker 2 We've talked about the Lions and how in the past they've invented new ways to lose, whether that be like making a catch in the end zone that's somehow not a catch or fumbling a ball through the end zone or having the NFL record long field goal kicked against you that bounces off the crossbar and goes in.

Speaker 2 And it felt like they've checked all the boxes for the most heartbreaking ways to lose.

Speaker 2 This would be the final stone in the affinity gauntlet if it was Matt Stafford coming to Detroit and beating them. So that being said, it does feel like something that's probably going to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We also need to talk about the fact that Dennis Allen might be the worst coach of all time. And that's not being facetious.
That's not being like hyperbolic.

Speaker 1 That is, if you look at the stats, I think he is somewhere around the seventh to 10th worst coach record-wise.

Speaker 1 That end of half, when he decided to go go for it on the 42 with a minute left, and they're down 10, or no, they're down three. They're down three.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 I know that, yeah, you know, analytics go for it more often. You punt that ball, and you stop, like, the Rams doing like a draw play or a screenplay, the Rams most likely just go into halftime.

Speaker 1 He just gave them seven points, and it was just

Speaker 1 and he punted on, I know it was like fourth and 13, but he punted on the Rams' 37-yard line to start the whole game. Like, this guy stinks.

Speaker 1 Seems fans deserve better.

Speaker 2 He's officially a weird shithead in my book. There are very few coaches that reach that level.
He is a weird shithead. I have no idea what he was thinking.
It was fourth and five.

Speaker 2 I think if I were to put myself in his shithead brain, I would say that on the third down play, they should have converted. They had a good play drawn up, and I believe it was a drop on that.
And

Speaker 2 it should have been an

Speaker 2 easy conversion.

Speaker 2 And so in his head, he thought oh it's going to be easy again and then derrick carr ends up throwing the ball like 10 yards uh further to the sideline than his receiver was at that's what i think that wasn't a drop that was a car dave derek uh derek carr has a

Speaker 1 a thing that he does where chris olave was it was i think he came from out of the backfield and he was running like a slant and he was wide open and derek carr decided hey i'm gonna throw this 3 000 miles an hour at his back shoulder like yes olave could have made it but that was a bad throw.

Speaker 1 And I actually was wondering this, BFT, because I was arguing with people on X.com, which is a very fun thing to do during a football game, especially when there's one football game.

Speaker 1 We're all watching it.

Speaker 1 How many burner accounts do you think the Carr brothers have?

Speaker 1 Because, like, I thought, I was convinced I was talking to a Carr brother with the way he was blaming Olave for a pass that was no, like, it was not a good pass.

Speaker 1 It was an easy pass, and Derek Carr fucked it up. Olave, yes, could have maybe caught it, but if you watch it a million times, you're like, that's on the quarterback, not on the wide receiver.

Speaker 2 The problem with that play is Olave had a couple other drops tonight, too. So, yeah, when you take

Speaker 2 it wasn't all on him, but it, what I'm saying, though, the point still stands, which is that Dennis Allen saw that. He's like, we had the right play drawn up.

Speaker 2 I'm confident that we can get five yards if we need it, or seven or ten yards. And he thought he had a play, so he drew it up.

Speaker 2 And then you give the ball to the Rams, and they've got like 20 yards to go until they can kick a field goal, or they can just take the ball down the field and score.

Speaker 2 That was a stupid decision, especially when you put to count the,

Speaker 2 was it from the 37 yard line where they punted in the first quarter? Those on top of each other make zero sense whatsoever.

Speaker 2 But to the point about the Carr brothers, if you're not blocked by David Carr on Twitter, you're not using X.com correctly.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty sure he does the name search for his brother. And he, this is the part I don't understand with David Carr.
It's one thing to be like, yeah, fuck you. I'm going to stand up for my brother.

Speaker 2 It's another thing to like search people with these takes and then proactively block people that are being critical of your brother without even replying to them or addressing them.

Speaker 2 In his mind, I think he's wiping the internet clean of any Derek Carr slander.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I think I was talking to a Carr brother. I really do.
And by the way, are you blocked?

Speaker 1 I am blocked. Derek Carr,

Speaker 1 a great

Speaker 1 garbage time drive there to make make his numbers look a lot better than they were. So he just took the Saints all the way down the field.

Speaker 1 He's going to end up with like over 300 yards passing, and you're going to say, oh, he's not the problem. The whole Saints are the problem.
That thing is just, it's a tough watch.

Speaker 1 It's a really tough watch.

Speaker 2 You know what I don't like?

Speaker 2 A new feature that they're doing right now, which is in the Amazon Advanced Stats. I don't know if this is Sam Schwartzein that's pushing this or not.

Speaker 2 Sam, if you're listening, just so you know, I don't like this.

Speaker 2 They're showing you playoff percentages based on each play.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like it.

Speaker 2 So, like, when Rashid Shahid, well, I don't like it because somewhere there's a Falcons fan that's going to be watching a game, and

Speaker 2 the percentage of them getting the playoffs is going to spike, and then it's going to crash, and they're going to be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 All these percentages feel like they're geared towards us getting bad beats. But when Shaheed caught that touchdown, uh, to make it, what was that, 7-10 at the time?

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Very European of you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it spiked, it spiked their uh playoff possibilities by like seven percent just based off that one play. That to me feels like we're going too far.

Speaker 2 Numbers, numbers are too far into this beautiful game that we love of football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was watching the Prime uh broadcast as well. The uh, it was Prime Vision.
Sam doing a great job. It's fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Feels like you're smarter because you just watch it and you're like, oh, that guy's going to blitz because he's like all lit up.

Speaker 1 And I'm not doing anything because they're telling me, but it is cool to just say, oh, yeah, I see that.

Speaker 1 I'd go hot route here. No problem.

Speaker 2 I like those parts where they make me think that I'm playing a video game when I'm just watching football. It's like I'm doing two things at once.

Speaker 2 One thing we need to write down and remember for future, Sean McVay

Speaker 2 on the opposite of a buy on a short week is great.

Speaker 2 I think he's six and one. This would make him maybe seven and one all time.
So he's like the opposite of Andy Reid in every in every way possible.

Speaker 2 But in the off of off a short week stat, we got to remember to hammer McMcFay's teams.

Speaker 1 Yes, I agree. I agree.

Speaker 1 Okay, other thing we got to briefly talk about is the Pistons lost again.

Speaker 1 And that's not notable because they've now lost 27 in a row. No, 25 in a row? 25.

Speaker 2 I think the record is 26.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they started the season 2 and 1.

Speaker 1 But it's notable because they were playing the jazz at home. I think they're only a two and a half point dog.
Laurie Markingham was out. It was one of the more winnable games they'll have left.

Speaker 1 And yeah, we're on like, could the Pistons finish with like five wins territory?

Speaker 1 I think the record is the Bobcats that won you. It is, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that was a, I think that was a shortened season. So I think they won seven games, which wasn't as bad.
I'm going to look for it right now.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Pistons, they might be the worst team of all time.

Speaker 2 They're in deep, deep shit right now. So they've got two games against the Nets.
And then after that, I think they're going, either playing against the Raptors and then at the Celtics.

Speaker 4 And then

Speaker 2 at the Rockets, New Year's Day. There's a good possibility they might be able to win that game on New Year's Day if the Rockets get drunk enough on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 I'm circling that one.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the record is 7 and 59, so not a full season.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to beat it. I would, fuck, I want to bet it.

Speaker 1 I wonder if you can. The Rockets aren't terrible.

Speaker 1 That was our NBA preview.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll do our real NBA preview in like two months. After the Super Bowl with Briscillo, we'll get them on.
I have a much more pressing question to ask you, Bitcat.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 How many eggs do you think you could eat in a day?

Speaker 1 Oh, I saw this. This is, so I don't like this because

Speaker 1 I was raised correctly and my father made me watch Cool Hand Luke at a very young age.

Speaker 1 So I've always, for my entire life, thought I could eat 50 hard-boiled eggs, no problem, and then lie there like cheeses. So,

Speaker 1 yeah, my answer is 50.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so if they're deviled eggs, the answer is unlimited for me.

Speaker 2 I could eat infinity deviled eggs. I've never gotten full eating deviled eggs.

Speaker 2 If I'm at a wedding, they bring out the hors d'oeuvres, the deviled eggs come out, and I just hawk that person that's going around with the eggs.

Speaker 2 And I easily put like 10 of those, which I guess it's five full full eggs, 10 of those, and I don't break a sweat at all.

Speaker 2 I think I could eat a hundred deviled eggs, which would actually be 50 deviled eggs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it would, it would be no problem. So, yeah, that was a fantasy punishment.
That this girl was like, This guy is so gross.

Speaker 1 And I was just the whole time I watched the video, I was like, dudes, rock. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 Listen, she said that that was like the final straw that made her want to break up with her boyfriend. Listen, you're your body produces eggs, okay?

Speaker 1 Which facts are facts.

Speaker 1 That's facts.

Speaker 1 Everyone should go see Cool Hand Luke if you haven't seen it. It's one of the best movies of all time.

Speaker 2 Wiping my bra, boss.

Speaker 1 Shaking it off here, boss. PFT, one last thing before we kick it to ourselves in studio.
I bought you a Christmas present.

Speaker 8 Oh, did you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we don't usually buy presents.

Speaker 1 You dick. This is a dick move because we usually get each other Christmas presents.
We don't.

Speaker 2 And then you spring on me.

Speaker 1 Okay. Can I tell you why, though?

Speaker 1 I got uh a targeted ad about a shoe and then i went and tried to buy the shoe and i saw there was a couple other shoes look at these they're reebok pumps in sick

Speaker 1 commander's colorway oh i fucking love that i had to buy it i started like that wasn't i wasn't looking for a present for you i literally i bought myself a different color pair same shoe but when i saw them i was like whoa i have to buy these I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 Thank you for that. That's a very nice gift.
When I was a kid in first grade, I asked my parents for a pair of pumps and they said no.

Speaker 2 And I asked them again, they said, okay, we'll get you a pair of pumps. And they came home and I had a pair of Voigt pumps that they got at Kenny Shoes for like $19.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I can't, these aren't pumps. So it's always been my dream to have a real pair of Reebok pumps.
So I've got a lot of people.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 2 I actually did get you a present.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The Chicago Bears Guy Fury collaboration.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, you're going to have these sick Reebok pumps, Commander's Colorway, size eight, perfect.

Speaker 2 Size, what? What size was that?

Speaker 1 That was just me. Like, if you get your boys a present, like, it's, it's kind of lame.
So, like, you have to, like, be like, I didn't really want to get you a present. I'll make fun of your shoe size.

Speaker 1 No, I got them 10 and a half. Don't worry.
Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's, that's very true, though. If you get, if you get your friend a present, it, it has to be like, Merry Christmas, but also fuck you, guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck you, bitch. Yeah, like, I felt really lame just saying I got you a present, so I had to throw in a diss.
That's just how guys talk.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what we do.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's kick it to ourselves.
Weekend preview and like an hour with our good friend Jules in studio.

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 week 16.

Speaker 2 Whoo boy. I don't like hearing week 16 because it just reminds me of the 16-game schedule that we had forever, and it feels like the season's over.

Speaker 2 We just have to remind ourselves, there's still January. There's still parts of February.

Speaker 1 I have a take. I'm ready for playoffs.
I'm ready for the playoffs. I'm not yet.
I'm ready for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 There's enough games now that are like, who cares? I'm ready for the playoffs. I'd be ready for the game.
That's not like saying I'm going to miss or like I want to speed past the regular season.

Speaker 1 I'm just ready for playoff football. I'm ready to figure out who's winning the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 2 I'd be ready for the playoffs if it was like in my mind which teams I personally feel are ready for the playoffs right now.

Speaker 1 I'm there.

Speaker 2 I'm ready for the playoffs.

Speaker 2 There's one game in particular this weekend. We have a loser leaves town game for sure.
We have a fraud bowl. We have a fraud bowl.
And we've got maybe a loser moves to the suburbs bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I'm ready for the playoffs. I'm ready.
I'm ready to get it on. I want to see these fucking teams.
I want to see some playoff football. But yeah, week 16.

Speaker 1 Quick note, we obviously won't be streaming on Sunday or the following Sunday because it's Christmas Eve and then New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 We will be back, though, streaming the college football playoffs on January 1st.

Speaker 1 And as a reminder, the show schedule this week, we will be, there'll be a new show on Tuesday recapping the whole weekend. There'll be a new show Friday getting you ready for the weekend.

Speaker 1 And also a really very famous guest, big guest. Very.
Massive guest. Strongest guest we've ever had.

Speaker 2 He's very strong.

Speaker 1 Very strong. Swats and egg.

Speaker 1 So get excited.

Speaker 1 And then we will have another episode. The next one will be the Tuesday after college football playoff and week 17.

Speaker 9 So two shows a week for the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 Yep. Tuesday and Friday for the next two weeks because this fucking whole Christmas, New Year's on a Monday blows.

Speaker 2 They should change that.

Speaker 1 It fucking sucks. Next year we'll be good.
Next year will be on a Wednesday. Beautiful.
All right. Let's get into it.
Let's get into the week 16 schedule.

Speaker 1 Every team obviously playing.

Speaker 2 It's a powerful slate.

Speaker 1 So we've got two Saturday games. We'll start with the Bengals and Steelers on Saturday afternoon.
By the way, we are doing three picks this week, right? Three picks.

Speaker 2 Actually, we were going to do four or two picks, depending on how much I beat Hank by in golf today, and I beat him. So the original plan was to reduce it to two games.
But then, you know what I said?

Speaker 2 Let's do three. It's the holidays.

Speaker 9 That's not true, but that's...

Speaker 2 It's the holidays. Three's up.

Speaker 1 Three's up. One, two, three.
Three picks. Okay.
Bengals.

Speaker 6 Wait, does one of them have to be a Christmas pick like we did for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 I think one should be a. I think one should be a Christmas pick.
Okay, because it's the holiday. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Okay.
It's a holiday. Three.
All right. Bengals, Steelers, Mason Rudolph time.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you guys saw, but our colleague Jersey Jerry has been on the beat.

Speaker 1 George Pickens has slowly unfollowed every quarterback this year. So he unfollowed Kenny.
He unfollowed Mitch. He only follows Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 2 Well, again, just to defend George Pickens for a second, he didn't unfollow them because he doesn't like being their teammate. He said he was just cleaning up his timeline.

Speaker 2 Their content wasn't good enough for him to follow on Twitter or on Instagram. Yes.
On all social media, I think. On all social media.

Speaker 1 But this feels like to me, and also no Jamar Chase for the Bengals and DJ Reader, which will be very important in my opinion.

Speaker 1 This feels like the Mike Tomlin Steelers era is on the line.

Speaker 2 Oh, this might be for the culture.

Speaker 1 This is for the culture because it's an underdog game at home. No one thinks the Steelers are good.
They're very banged up.

Speaker 1 And I think they're going to win this game.

Speaker 2 So, if we're looking at this from the eyes of the NFL script writers, Mason Rudolph starting Christmas weekend, that seems like an easy win for the Steelers.

Speaker 2 You can picture yourself watching the fastest three minutes with Boomer, and he's just going to go fucking hard on the Rudolph jokes. Yes.
I feel like this is a Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 2 Do you have any culture game? Yes. And if they lose, Big Ben was right.
If they win, the culture exists for at least one more week.

Speaker 2 It is, in theory, it should be a matchup of two decent teams because you've got,

Speaker 2 if you just look at their college careers, Mason Rudolph, Jake Browning, both awesome, right around the same time.

Speaker 1 Perfect bowl game.

Speaker 2 Great bowl game.

Speaker 1 This would be great bowl game.

Speaker 2 If neither one of these teams make the playoffs, I want to see them play each other again.

Speaker 1 Actually, Washington and Oklahoma State, if you put that on on Thursday night, I'd be like, done.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Would you?

Speaker 2 How should we rank the rivalries in the AFC North? Because I think they've shifted in the last year or two.

Speaker 2 I still think Ravens Steelers number one. That's always going to be number one.

Speaker 1 Bengals, Ravens might be just because they're both at the top recently.

Speaker 2 Yeah, recently.

Speaker 2 It's going to take at least another year of the Steelers being depressing to watch for me to. Because imagine it's a night game.
Yeah. It's like a Sunday night Ravens Steelers.

Speaker 2 You know, the home crown in Pittsburgh would just go hard for that game, too.

Speaker 1 But if the Steelers have another bad year after this year,

Speaker 1 they start to lose a little bit of the

Speaker 1 these rivalries matter.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Browns, Bengals is probably up there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Browns have owned the Bengals.

Speaker 2 Lamar versus Diarrhea. Yep.

Speaker 2 Ravens Browns.

Speaker 2 I think historically that's an important one.

Speaker 1 Well, Joe Flacco has added some allure to that.

Speaker 2 Some allure to it. Also, the stealing of the franchise.
Yep. That whole thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I still, I think we have at least one more season left, the end of this year, and then I will reevaluate my AFC North rivalry. That's fair.

Speaker 1 I mentioned DJ Reeder because the Bengals defense is not good, and they have not been great against the run. So I went and looked back.

Speaker 1 DJ Reeder obviously is their big tackle who is very good at against the run, and he's out for the year. In the Bengals' six losses this year, they've given up 175 yards rushing.

Speaker 1 In their eight wins, they've given up 92 yards rushing. So when they can stop the run, they have a lot of team success.
And DJ Reeder not being there means it's going to be very hard to stop the run.

Speaker 1 And on top of all that, the Steelers, like, what's the key to making Mason Rudolph palatable? Just running the football.

Speaker 2 Jalen Warren.

Speaker 1 Letting him do as little as possible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Set up the play action, use the tight end, and Jalen Warren.

Speaker 1 I'm betting on the Mike Tomlin culture game.

Speaker 2 Heavy dose of Jalen Warren this week, please. Did you see the graphic of what would happen if every team in the NFL lost all the games that were one-score games? Oh, I love the one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love these. So the flip games.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the flip games. In terms of one-score games, do you know which team would be in last place by far? The Steelers.
It'd be the Steelers. They'd be 2-12.

Speaker 2 They'd have the biggest swing in terms of one-score games.

Speaker 2 But again, you look at that stat and you think, okay, are they lucky or do they do a lot of very small things well that enable them to overcome being a miserable football team?

Speaker 1 Is Steeler culture still alive?

Speaker 2 That might be Steeler culture. Yeah.
The difference between being lucky and good.

Speaker 1 Right, because the Steelers were, for the first part of the season, it was, I actually enjoyed watching them because every game went exactly the same where they were within one score and then they had a special teams or a defensive play and all of a sudden they're winning in the fourth.

Speaker 2 Now they're just sad to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Is the NFL impacting Steelers' culture by suspending the safety for an entire year?

Speaker 2 Or for the rest of the season? The rest of the season. I should say.

Speaker 1 And Minka Fitzpatrick is also out.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Do they get that guy, K-Z, back if they make the playoffs?

Speaker 1 Let's just hope that doesn't happen. Yeah.
The best for everyone. I don't want to see the Steelers play any more football.

Speaker 1 I'm good with them. I think they're going to win this game, though.

Speaker 2 What if Mason's got that spark?

Speaker 4 Eligible for playoffs.

Speaker 1 Eligible for playoffs.

Speaker 2 Rudolph's got that little spark on his nose.

Speaker 1 He can't be.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think he can be worse.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so we're saying we're banking on Mason Rudolph not being as bad as we remember Mason Rudolph being.

Speaker 1 It's actually,

Speaker 1 I don't think there's another team in the NFL where if you went from starter to second string to third string, the line wouldn't move more than a half a point. Kind of all the same.
There can't be.

Speaker 1 Kind of all the same. Like every other team has, it would be a significant switch if it went to first to second, and then even

Speaker 1 still a switch if it went from second to third straight.

Speaker 2 So I would say if Kenny Pickett was starting this game, it might be a pick'em.

Speaker 2 Maybe the Steelers. It would be a line.
Maybe Steelers favored by one.

Speaker 1 I think it'd be like one. Maybe one point, yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It just does.
Steelers' offense isn't really dynamic no matter what. I'd feel a lot more confident in the Steelers winning if Kenny Pickett was playing.

Speaker 2 Maybe the Jets might have that same thing where it's like Sam Darnold, Tim Boyle, Trevor Simeon.

Speaker 1 You and Zach Wilson?

Speaker 2 What did I say? Sam Darnold.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Zach Wilson, Tim Boyle.

Speaker 1 No, I think there's a cliff there.

Speaker 2 From where? What's the cliff? I think there's a cliff from Boyle to Simeon. Oh, I was going to say there might be a cliff between Wilson and Boyle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's definitely a cliff.

Speaker 2 Because like good Wilson

Speaker 2 is average. Right, right.

Speaker 1 It's a really depressing conversation to have. It is.
Okay, nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 10 First off, Raven Steelers. Remember when they played on the Wednesday? That was sick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was sick.

Speaker 10 The Bengals have won nine consecutive

Speaker 10 games played in the month of december dating back to week 15 of the 2021 season marking the longest such active streak in the nfl joe burrow nine times joe burrow

Speaker 1 that's joe burrowstat

Speaker 1 i'm just telling you yeah yeah that's joe burrowstat he's he plays well in december yeah that's what he does uh okay

Speaker 1 other saturday game bills chargers so big's big point spread uh i did some research on gif smith because i wanted to make sure the listeners knew so So, Giff Smith is the interim head coach for the Chargers.

Speaker 1 Read an article about Giff Smith. He drinks six cups of coffee a day.

Speaker 2 Oh, I heard it was more than that. Well,

Speaker 1 it was an embedded journalist.

Speaker 1 He was counting.

Speaker 2 It was with the Chargers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So six was all he got to. I think they stopped around 7 p.m.

Speaker 1 Southern accent.

Speaker 1 Wish he was a little fatter, but that's okay. He actually said he wishes he had lost some weight if he knew that he was going to be interim head coach.

Speaker 1 Also coached Roman Reigns at Georgia Tech. Oh, that's interesting.
Kind of cool.

Speaker 2 What I had circled with Giff Smith was that his name was Giff Smith. Yes.
Which is, if we're just going based off name, it's a 10 out of 10 interim coach name. It is.

Speaker 2 It feels made up, and I like that part about him.

Speaker 2 And also what I've kind of learned to love about Giff this week is there's not a lot of facts out there about Giff because I did the same thing you did.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I went deep.

Speaker 2 I read that article, but there's not a lot of lore around Giff Smith.

Speaker 2 There's not quotes from his former players being like, oh, shit, here's this thing about Giff, which I actually kind of like that there's not a lot of stuff floating around about Giff.

Speaker 1 So mysterious. There's a chance that Giff Smith, and I listen,

Speaker 1 this is just a guess. So Giff Smith, I'm sure you're a really nice guy.
He could be a rat.

Speaker 1 Because he survived three head coaches getting fired at the Chargers now.

Speaker 2 And they did not ask Kellen Moore to be interim coach.

Speaker 1 So he is he a mouthpiece for for Giff Smith was there under Mike McCoy. He was

Speaker 1 there under Anthony Lynn. And now he was there for Brandon Staley getting fired.

Speaker 1 I feel like three coaches, you got to be like, wait, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 Is this like he's the Tom Womsgantz

Speaker 2 of the Los Angeles Chargers? Yeah.

Speaker 1 The rat.

Speaker 2 You know what rats eat?

Speaker 1 Peanut butter? Cheese. Oh, cheese.

Speaker 4 Cheese.

Speaker 2 People forget that.

Speaker 2 Giff did say that they flushed the Raiders game. I hope that means they actually put the film onto like a USB drive and then threw it in the toilet.
Like a goldfish. Ideally,

Speaker 2 if I was interim coach and I wanted to flush a game, what I would do, I would get a port-a-potty brought in. I would throw the tape in there.

Speaker 2 Then I would have everybody on the team go and take a shit or a piss on it. And blow it up.
And then light it on fire. And light it on fire.
Yeah, ideally, that's what flush means in this scenario.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I mean, you bring up a good point. If he's been there through three regimes,

Speaker 2 it feels like he's deeply deeply embedded with the

Speaker 2 ownership. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's Spanos' guy. They've also got an interim general manager, JoJo.
Okay. And so it's Giff and JoJo, right? So, which is a Disney channel show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a Disney Channel show or like a doo-op band from like the 50s.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, they would slap

Speaker 2 standing on the street corner, just snapping their fingers. Yeah.
But yeah, I can't think of a better job in the world than an interim general manager. Yeah.
Because

Speaker 2 you're not doing shit.

Speaker 1 You're just telling the scouts, like, hey, keep scouting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Please keep scouting.

Speaker 2 Just keep sending me, keep sending me your weekly emails. Yeah.
And besides that, you're not cutting anybody. You don't have the power to do that.
You're not signing anybody.

Speaker 2 I think if somebody gets hurt, you can be like, okay, we're going to move this guy up from the practice squad.

Speaker 1 That would be incredible if an interim GM just went rogue and he cut Justin Herbert. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he cut Justin Herbert right now.

Speaker 2 Herbert, Bosa, Mac, hit the

Speaker 1 ball.

Speaker 2 We got to change the culture here. Yes.

Speaker 1 As for the Bills, this does feel like a dangerous letdown spot in the fact that the Chargers, I haven't seen a team quit the way they quit against the Raiders in a long time.

Speaker 1 And it's like they scored a ton of points. The Bills are coming off of three big wins.
I think the Bills will win, but it does make me nervous if I want to take the Bills.

Speaker 1 Minus 12 feels like a lot because it could get, it could just have a little bit of a sleepwalk. And all of a sudden you look up and you're like, wait, the Bills are only up like five here?

Speaker 1 What's going on?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have that fear too, but a little bit of that is put aside because I feel like the Bills are in like do or dime. It's Easton Stick, too.
It's Easton Stick, and

Speaker 2 the Bills have zero margin for error.

Speaker 1 Do you know what's an interesting trade that doesn't get talked about enough? I think it gets talked about in the two cities,

Speaker 1 the trade and the trader.

Speaker 1 But Razul Douglas has been incredible. And the Packers could have really used him in this stretch.
And the Bills, their defense. So I went back and I looked.
Aaron Schatz had the numbers.

Speaker 1 It was week one through five, they were sixth in DVOA. Week six through 10, they were 32nd in DVOA because they got all those injuries that piled up.

Speaker 1 Razul Douglas, I think, showed up week 10.

Speaker 1 And then week 11 through 15, so the last month, they're back to fifth in DVOA. They got him as like a stopgap, and he's become very, very important to everything they're doing on defense.

Speaker 1 I don't bring this up just because it probably pains Packers fans because I think the Packers might be in the playoffs right now if they still had a good cornerback.

Speaker 6 But uh, there's another team where Richell Douglas came from that could also use him.

Speaker 1 That would be the Philadelphia East.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, that's crazy. But it's great.
Like, those are the

Speaker 1 because there's so little trades at the trade deadline in the NFL, it doesn't get talked about a lot. But he has been a huge difference maker for the Bills.

Speaker 2 I have a confession to make, but Kat.

Speaker 2 I don't know what DVOA means. I know, I know that it's a stat.

Speaker 1 They just put all the numbers together.

Speaker 2 I know it's a stat that makes sense and that smart people always use.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I know that if you're first in it, that's good. And if you're last in it, that's...
I know that in theory, it's a good stat to use for any argument, but I have no idea what you're doing.

Speaker 1 I think the difference between DVOA and then just dumb stats that we read, like points per game and yards per play, is DVOA puts into con, he puts context into the stats. Do they like garbage time?

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 how are you good at high-leverage situations?

Speaker 2 Do they factor in just like quarterback winning percentage? I don't think so. They should.

Speaker 1 And they factor in, I think, also repeatable metrics. So an 80-yard touchdown is not the same as being able to go on, like, if you're really good at getting eight yards every first down.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, that's something that can be repeated time and time again.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know it's a good stat. I know that smart people use it.
So I just, I look at it and I follow it. But I just realized in this moment, I have no idea what goes into it.

Speaker 1 But it's crazy that the Bills were for a stretch there the worst defense in the NFL, and now they have climbed all the way back up to one of the top defenses.

Speaker 2 I'm guessing Matt Milano is out for the playoffs, too, if they make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I thought he was was maybe going to come back, but...

Speaker 2 Because he makes a big difference too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, that was where the dip started.

Speaker 1 Jeremy provides injury update. Why don't you give us your nerd nugget? He does not expect to return.
Okay.

Speaker 10 Keep in mind that this is the first ever Peacock exclusive game, and they announced today's commercial-free fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Oh. Oh.

Speaker 2 Wait, now is it commercial-free or is it going to be

Speaker 2 half the screen's a commercial?

Speaker 10 No, I think they're going to send it to a studio. They're going to keep it up in the booth sometimes.

Speaker 1 That's commercials. Yeah.
You send it to a studio. That's a commercial.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want them to just, I want to stay

Speaker 1 actually.

Speaker 10 Like league pass, when they do like the.

Speaker 1 This is the perfect time for if anyone's going to streak. Yeah.
Fourth quarter of this game.

Speaker 2 That's the time they can't cut away from it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's a game or two that I wish was like extra commercials in the fourth quarter this week. During one of the two breaks.

Speaker 2 Like a golf broadcast.

Speaker 10 During one of the two breaks, the announced team will delve into more of the other storylines. The other will go into the Football Night in America studio team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that sounds like commercials. Because isn't that going to be, we're just going to have to watch Jason Garrett?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're going to be. That's way worse than a commercial.

Speaker 2 Bring back the USAA commercials.

Speaker 2 I would rather watch 60 minutes of flow from Progressive on my TV than one second of Jason Garrett.

Speaker 1 They should just let Florio do like three minutes on why

Speaker 1 making the Paison jokes is problematic.

Speaker 2 Or just initiating a congressional investigation into injury reports.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I would like to see that.

Speaker 10 Look forward to that.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I'm not looking forward to it. Heads up.
Jason Garrett. Heads up for that.
I'm not looking forward to listening to Jason Garrett and Tony Dungy.

Speaker 2 It should be just Carrie Underwood. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 10 Well, when there's no commercials in the fourth quarter, you can thank Gus for letting us.

Speaker 1 They gave us a worse option. Commercials, you can zone out.
Jason Garrett and Tony Dungy being in my face on Christmas Eve, or no, it's Saturday night. I don't want that.
No one wants that. All right.

Speaker 10 Anyways, Bill's running back, James Cook, is the first Buffalo running back with 1,400 scrimmage yards in a season since LaShawn McCoy had 1586 in 2017.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just run the ball. Just keep running the ball.

Speaker 1 Conduct center.

Speaker 2 The Bills are good when they run the ball. And they kind of found that game plan by accident.
That wasn't their plan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Joe Brady said that.

Speaker 2 Joe Brady was like, it was working, so I wasn't going to stop it. I love that.
Perfect. Yeah.
Just go keep doing it if it works.

Speaker 1 All right. Next game.

Speaker 1 We've got to Sunday. We're going to Sunday.

Speaker 1 Browns and Texans. No CJ Stroud, most likely.

Speaker 1 Here's a fun fact. So, a couple of quick fun facts for you.
Since 2000, the Browns actually, this season, their defense is the number one in defensive success rate, which is pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 They have had 50% of the time they have forced the opponent to go three and out.

Speaker 2 That's pretty good. That's insane.

Speaker 1 Here's the other weird fact. The Browns at home have been giving up 10 points a game.
The Browns on the road, 30 points a game.

Speaker 1 Pretty insane.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Splits.
Now, in this case, it's going to be Case Keenum.

Speaker 1 It is going to be Case Keenum, but that's different.

Speaker 2 It's a big difference.

Speaker 1 Like, that's a huge, huge difference. It's crazy that they're that good giving 30 points a game on the road up, and they're still number one in success rate in the last 23 years.

Speaker 2 With Case Keenum, it's interesting because he was a guy that was a backup, and then some teams saw him that said, maybe he should just be the starting quarterback now.

Speaker 2 And then they tried to make him a starter, and they're like, no, he's just a backup. Then he went underground for a while, and now he's still a pretty good backup.

Speaker 2 I feel like that back and forth swing doesn't happen that much.

Speaker 1 If you had told me that he retired, I would have been like, yes, of course.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Case Keenums of the World and all the Mats seem to retire at the exact same time. Yes.

Speaker 1 I'm probably going to take the Browns in this game, but that defense thing makes me nervous.

Speaker 2 It does, but again,

Speaker 2 it's Case Keenum.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be a big Njoku game.

Speaker 2 Case Keenum never lost a game when he started for the Texans. That's true.
His entire career, 3-0.

Speaker 1 This would be a big swing game for playoffs.

Speaker 2 This is the loser move to the suburbs game. Yeah.
So you're not out if you lose.

Speaker 1 If the Texans lose, they would. They're pretty close to being...
They're in trouble.

Speaker 2 It's not leave town, but it's download Trulia, download Redfin, download Zillow. I just spend all day looking on those.

Speaker 1 I think the Browns, if they lose, they're not going to move to the suburbs. They might just be like, oh, the school districts.
You know, like, maybe we should take a a look. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're not even doing Zillow. They're just like, oh, yeah.
Our friends, you know what?

Speaker 1 If the Browns lose this game, they're going to go visit their friends in the suburb and be like, oh, this is kind of nice.

Speaker 2 Or maybe go on a vacation over the break. And it's to like a nicer weather climate.
And then you're like, we should really move here.

Speaker 2 And then you, when you're in the downtown area of your vacation town, you walk past a realtor and you just look at the pictures on the wall. Yeah.
Like, our dollar could go pretty far out here.

Speaker 1 If the Texans lose, they're going to be in trouble. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What other? Oh, I had. Yeah.
So I, I, I, David Njoku, I think, is going to be big this game. This is going to be a tough watch for the, for the Texans offense with all their injuries.

Speaker 1 And Will Anderson might be out as well.

Speaker 1 Tough. Tough.

Speaker 1 Nerd nugget.

Speaker 10 Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski owns the AFC South. He is 9-0 against the division.
Cleveland looks to sweep the AFC South for the second time in club history on Sunday, which was last done in 2020.

Speaker 10 Oh. AFC South killer.

Speaker 2 That's interesting. I like that.
That's a good stat, Jake. 9-0 against the South.

Speaker 1 Hmm. Okay.

Speaker 2 I think I'm feeling the Browns this week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is one of those games I think that no matter which one I bet I'll lose. Maybe.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 I'll make a decision right before a kickoff, and it will be the wrong decision.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the games that you stay away from, where you're like, that's a stayaway game for me. You end up betting them anyways at the last segment.
Right. Just based on vibes.

Speaker 2 And usually the vibe is, oh, yeah, Case Keenum starting. So I'm not going to bet on him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a shitload of stayaway games that will all be bet.

Speaker 2 I would rather do a last-minute pick on Flacco than I would on Casey.

Speaker 1 I agree with you there. I definitely lean the Browns, but again, whatever side I pick, I'm going to lose.
All right, next game, Lions, Vikings. Very good game.
Very fun game.

Speaker 1 If Kirk Cousins was starting for the Vikings for the whole season, if he didn't get injured, would the Vikings be like...

Speaker 1 Maybe a Super Bowl team?

Speaker 2 I don't know if they'd be a Super Bowl team. They might have saved your pinky.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 They would be heavy in the playoff race, for sure.

Speaker 2 It would be them and the Lions, which it kind of still is with the Packers sprinkled in there a little bit. But they would be in contention for the top spot in that division.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do think this is a very important game for the Lions because you want to build off the momentum of last week. And

Speaker 1 now you have to go against a Brian Flores defense. Probably going to blitz a lot.

Speaker 1 The one thing I was looking at and trying to figure out, the Vikings' defense, remember the Vikings, what did they start? 0-4, I believe?

Speaker 1 1-3, maybe? They were bad to start the season.

Speaker 2 I know they they were 0-3, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were bad to start the season. So the quarterbacks they've faced in the last two months where their defense has been very, very good.

Speaker 1 Justin Fields can cuss Brock Purdy, Jordan Love, Taylor Heineke, Jameis Winston, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields again, Aiden O'Connell, Jake Browning. Not exactly the best quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 So maybe a little regression. What? They were 0-3.

Speaker 1 I'm just hoping, Jared, you know, I want the Lions to continue the success.

Speaker 2 I'm going with the Lions in this game based on the fact it's being played indoors. Yes.
Indoors is going to be big.

Speaker 2 Jared has struggled, well-documented, struggles sometimes in the cold, as we all do, but he really doesn't like playing in the cold. It really fucks Jared Goff up.

Speaker 2 When he wakes up and it's like 30 degrees outside, his day is just done. He's like, oh, this whole thing's going to suck.

Speaker 2 But yeah, the Vikings, do you see the Vikings are changing their entire playing surface next year? Oh.

Speaker 1 Whether they're going split grass or whatever they're going to do.

Speaker 2 I think they might be getting away from split grass. Split turf.
Split turf. So they're concerned about the injuries because they've had a couple of those.
Fair.

Speaker 2 And so they're blaming that on the turf that they have. So they're moving away from it next year.
I think there are like three teams in the NFL that use the same type of surface that the Vikings do.

Speaker 2 It's the shoot. Who is it? It's the Bengals.
the Vikings, and then there's one other team, and two of the teams are moving away.

Speaker 2 The Bengals are going to be the last team in the league to have that playing surface next year.

Speaker 1 Okay. Just go to grass.
We're grass guys. Grass guys.

Speaker 1 Nerd nugget here.

Speaker 10 The Lions can clinch their first division title since winning the NFC Central in 1993 with a win or tie on Sunday. Only four players on the Lions' 53-man roster were alive then.

Speaker 10 And head coach Dan Campbell was a 17-year-old high school student.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Yeah.
Could be first home playoff game in Detroit since 1993. That's pretty cool.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm rooting for. I saw a story that the Lions are increasing their season ticket prices next year by a significant amount, like 50%.

Speaker 1 Got to.

Speaker 2 They have to. It stinks, though, for the fans that have been going to games and watching, just getting shit shoved in their face for the last 30 years.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 they have one good season, they're like, okay, now you're going to have to pay up.

Speaker 1 If I were an owner, I would do dynamic pricing. And I would basically say, here's like, you buy your season tickets.

Speaker 1 We'll put a hold on your credit card.

Speaker 1 Let's just say season tickets cost $2,000. It would basically be like, if we win the division, it's $3,000.
If we don't go to the playoffs, it's $1,000. I like that.

Speaker 1 That would be sick because who wouldn't sign up for that? Yeah. Or it's like, hey, if we're really good, I have no problem paying more money.

Speaker 2 Yeah, games will be fun to go to. Right.
Or I would do a thing kind of like the military where

Speaker 2 if you don't want to pay full price, that's fine, but your children have to work for the organization for two years after college.

Speaker 2 And then the debt is then repaid if you don't want to pay the increased price.

Speaker 1 Do the dishes.

Speaker 2 Do the dishes. Yeah, do anything around the stadium.

Speaker 1 Now that I'm thinking about it, though, the only negative impact would be if you did the dynamic pricing at the end of the season, if you're having a bad season, I feel like your fans would root against your own team.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 if the stadium was packed

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 you're like, we get $100 off our season tickets if we lose this game, that might, but actually that's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 It's kind of funny. Also, if you were really good at the end of the season with dynamic pricing, you would just make your fan base like super poor yeah so like as as the team did really well then the

Speaker 1 income and this but again like we will pay for happiness be worth it we will pay for for a winning season for sure some owner do that dynamic pricing uh okay next game packers and panthers

Speaker 1 did you guys see devondre campbell this week quite something um he went on twitter and he said not going out of my way anymore and i'm not playing through injuries anymore because when shit goes wrong they always use it against you I'm treating everyone accordingly and giving them the same energy they giving me.

Speaker 1 Focus on yourself and your mental 59. You owe it to yourself.

Speaker 1 Whatever, that's fine. You know, he's upset.
He's playing through injuries. It sucks.

Speaker 1 But the weird part was the next day when the media was allowed in the locker room, a reporter asked him about it and he responded, I'm not answering no questions about nothing happening on the internet.

Speaker 1 You all want to talk about the Panthers. We can.
But I ain't answering no questions about about nothing on no internet.

Speaker 2 The internet just brought that quote out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 That is some, he's doing a great job of separating his brain here. From the internet.
Where he's like, yeah, that quote that was on the internet that I typed out, I'm not here to talk about that.

Speaker 1 That's on the internet.

Speaker 2 I like how he's using his own brain as his burner account.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 It's like that, that wasn't me, all right. That was my brain, my eyes, and my fingers.

Speaker 1 You're talking about the internet? That's not me, the football. The things I say on the internet? I'm not talking about that.

Speaker 2 So I was, I was, uh, I had some 3 chi the other weekend. Okay.
And I started thinking about the internet. It will blow your mind if you really just think about the internet for a while.

Speaker 2 Every day for hours, we sit down at a computer or on our phones, and then we just go to a different place visually. Yeah.
And we just imagine ourselves being somewhere else.

Speaker 2 And then we come back to real life and we're like, oh, this isn't as good as the internet. Let me see what's going on on the internet.
Right.

Speaker 1 What's popping on the internet? Kind of wild. Devondre Campbell popping on the internet.

Speaker 2 It's popping on the internet for sure. I have a prediction for this, for this week.

Speaker 2 I think Bryce Young is going to get Offensive Player of the Week.

Speaker 4 Oh.

Speaker 2 Because the last two quarterbacks that the Packers have played against have Offensive Player of the Week, Baker Mayfield, and then the week before that, Tommy DeVito. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which that one was maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Bryce Young next up, player of the week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the Packers' defense, this is a pride game for them because they've been so bad. Yeah.
So bad.

Speaker 2 If you're a coordinator that's under as much fire as Barry's been under, there's no way that you can just like pretend that's not going on. Like being, oh, I don't read the internet.
I don't read.

Speaker 2 I don't listen to the local sports talk radio. At some point, there's people that come into your office and say, like, hey, did you hear what they said about you?

Speaker 1 Honestly, Joe Berry should just be like, you shouldn't have traded Razul Douglas. Yeah.
He was the piece. He was everything that Razul Douglas did unlocked my defense.
You took him away from me.

Speaker 2 Joe Berry should say, I stood on the table to keep Rasul Douglas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you traded the wrong cornerback. Jair Alexander's been out, you know, basically the entire season with an injury.
And yeah, you fucked me.

Speaker 2 That's what you got to do.

Speaker 1 Just blame someone else. If anything goes wrong, blame someone else.
Okay, nerd nugget for this game.

Speaker 10 Third time's the charm. Green Bay has won both of the last two meetings against Carolina by the same score, 24-16 in both 2019 and 2020.
The Packers

Speaker 10 did not commit a turnover in either of those games.

Speaker 1 And you can cover the spread.

Speaker 10 Exact score, plus 7,000.

Speaker 2 24-16. For these 24-16 Packers.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 1 Not bad. Panthers,

Speaker 1 they can't win this game. I'm going to be so mad if they win this game.

Speaker 2 Did you see the report, the fake report that was put online by a fake Adam Schefter? Yes.

Speaker 2 About David Tepper? Listen, we've said a lot of things about David Tepper, but we have not said that he's on Epstein's list yet. So anyone that's saying that, stop saying it.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 Panthers fans. We haven't seen it.
You got to use any means necessary.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you're the Panthers and you're in the Charlotte era, you're probably hoping that you're on that list.

Speaker 1 I was saying,

Speaker 1 how terrible of a Christmas would it be to be someone who knows they're on the list and the list is coming out?

Speaker 1 I actually think they should just keep teasing the list coming out because that's way more torturous than being on the list than having some your PR firm like wow we just knew him as a you know financier and it was nothing like that.

Speaker 2 It went to a charity event.

Speaker 1 Just having the anvil over your head constantly is a great punishment.

Speaker 2 I know I've noticed that since that report came out, Hank's been more on edge than usual. Oh, that's true.

Speaker 9 I'm excited for it.

Speaker 1 The list? Yeah. You're excited to prove your innocence once and for all?

Speaker 9 Yeah, and to see who else is on there.

Speaker 1 Clear your name? Yeah. Look forward to my day in court.
Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 2 you have a lot to bond over being like a disgrace on an airplane with somebody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 I hope you're not on that list.

Speaker 9 Yeah, me too. I think it's redacted.

Speaker 1 What if you randomly just were?

Speaker 9 That'd be good press.

Speaker 1 It would actually

Speaker 1 be good listening. It would not be good public.

Speaker 9 The next episode would pop off.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't be funny if just a random name was on the list.

Speaker 10 Well, just a different Henry Lockwood.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It wouldn't be him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there might be some of those out there. Same name.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know who?

Speaker 2 That'd be the best notes app apology of all time. I sincerely regret going on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What if Ravel's on the list?

Speaker 2 Let us be the first report that we

Speaker 2 have no information

Speaker 2 backing up claims that I have heard been made. No, Darren Ravel's on the list.

Speaker 1 No, he's not on it. I'm just saying, what if

Speaker 1 that would be quite a day on the internet?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, what.

Speaker 2 The thought has definitely crossed Ravel's mind that he should maybe get some sort of memorabilia from Epstein's Island.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 2 This is a swing set.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Someone's private plane receipt.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Bill Clinton. The receipt Bill Gates used.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bill.

Speaker 1 Here's Bill Clinton's stamp pass.

Speaker 9 Sporting pass.

Speaker 1 from St. James.

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Speaker 1 Okay, next up, Colts Falcons.

Speaker 1 Oh boy, Falcons.

Speaker 1 They have to win this game.

Speaker 2 This is loser leaves town, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Taylor Heineke, I mean, the Falcons aren't going to make the playoffs anyway, but this has to, like,

Speaker 1 this season has become a disaster for the Falcons. Taylor Heineke can hopefully save them.

Speaker 1 I do think the Colts, as great as they've been this year in terms of exceeding expectations, Shane Steichen's been an incredible coach.

Speaker 1 I do feel like the Colts are one of those teams that might be riding a little bit on luck, and so they can be had.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a little bit on luck. There's been some fluky plays for sure for him.

Speaker 1 They also have had some bad injuries.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and

Speaker 2 I don't think they're a bad team. I think the Falcons right now are a bad team.
Right. But Taylor Heineke is a move that should...
This is like one or two weeks too late to make that move.

Speaker 2 It's like your back's been up against the wall. Why just

Speaker 1 hurt?

Speaker 2 Smith's been weird about saying why he's going back and forth, switching back and forth between Jesse Ritter and Taylor Heineke.

Speaker 2 Even when Ritter initially kind of got hurt, and they're like, well, we went with Heineke for this reason. He's been playing a little bit coy.

Speaker 1 Because Heineke did get hurt and then it was just, they never updated us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think he wanted to give Desmond one more shot to be like, okay, let's see if you've actually. He probably went into Coach Smith's office and was like, just give me one more shot, Coach.

Speaker 1 Credit to the Cincinnati Bearcats football account tweeting, vote for Desmond Ritter for her Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 That's nice.

Speaker 1 Just jumping in front of that one. Got to support you.

Speaker 10 I can buy their alums.

Speaker 2 Got to support your guys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is actually, we talked about it earlier this year. It's the second time the Colts have played in a matchup.

Speaker 2 I think the second time in NFL history where the two quarterbacks have had names that are also occupations. Yes.
You got Gardner and Baker first. Now it's Gardner and Taylor.
Yes. Kind of a fun fact.

Speaker 2 That's my fun fact of the week.

Speaker 1 Oh, very fun fact.

Speaker 2 Bird nugget of the week.

Speaker 2 Chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Ducks, when they sleep together in a group, on the outside of the perimeter of the sleeping group of ducks, those ducks keep one eye open.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 2 Just all-time ride or die stand guard guys. I like that.
Yeah, protecting the flock.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Ducks are cool. Ducks are awesome.
Fuck with ducks.

Speaker 2 Ducks are my, I think they're my favorite bird. They're also the most delicious bird.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's that's like a Devondre Campbell. Internet real life.
Yeah. Like, ducks,

Speaker 1 cute, cool. Do you see? The food is totally different.
They're also. I don't even know where that comes from.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's not the cute bird. No, no, no.
They're also very problematic. Ducks.
What? In terms of

Speaker 2 how they get together. Oh, yeah.
How they produce baby ducks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're aggressive.

Speaker 10 You see Duck Hodges tweeted, hey, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. The Steelers

Speaker 1 the other day. I miss him.
Yeah. All right, nerd nugget.

Speaker 10 No team in the AFC has more interceptions than the Colts, who have five. Indianapolis also has three pick sixes, which is second in the conference right behind Miami.

Speaker 1 Did you see, and we will get to the Eagles game, but

Speaker 1 I understand why the Colts were okay letting Shaq Leonard go.

Speaker 2 I didn't make a point to go back and watch myself.

Speaker 1 I saw some tape, and

Speaker 1 he's not moving fluidly, I would say.

Speaker 1 He's moving like

Speaker 1 he has a back injury. He's moving like he had a really catastrophic back injury.

Speaker 2 He was so fucking good. He was so good.
He was like the best in the entire NFL for a little bit. But

Speaker 1 I never...

Speaker 1 The strategy of getting a guy who was once good, just be like, maybe,

Speaker 1 that would be all I would do as a GM. So that part is not the problem.
It's just once you see that, oh, yeah, this is why he was available, you can't keep doing it.

Speaker 2 Right. The only thing they should have changed is how they let him go.
Yeah. We kind of surprised him with that one.
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next up, Seahawks Titans.

Speaker 1 Seahawks off the big win. They have Geno Smith back.

Speaker 1 And now we get the question, looks like Will Levis will not play. And

Speaker 1 will it be Ryan Tannehill or will it be Malik Willis?

Speaker 2 Give Tannehill one more shot.

Speaker 1 Let him prove that he can have a job somewhere else.

Speaker 2 Ryan Tannehill, the book's still out on Ryan Tannehill. We don't know whether or not he's good enough to be a starting NFL quarterback.

Speaker 1 I want to bet on the Titans if Ryan Tannehill plays. Yeah.
I do not want to bet on the Titans if it's Malik Willis.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've got some fun stats here about the Seahawks because we think about the Seahawks going on the road and them being a different team when they're on the road. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They've actually played a way harder schedule on the road than they have at home. So on the road, they've played against the Ravens, 49ers, Cowboys, Lions, and Bengals on the road.

Speaker 2 They've played the Rams on the road and then the Giants on the road. Those are the only two kind of weakish links, and the Rams aren't that bad of a team.
So really, it's just the Giants.

Speaker 2 That's the only break they've had on the road. So this is really,

Speaker 2 I guess it's their second game against a team that they really should beat

Speaker 2 being played away from Seattle. So I was thinking this whole season, like, oh, bet against Seattle on the road every time, no matter what.
Not necessarily the case.

Speaker 2 Also, fun stat, the Seahawks are 4-0 when Pete Carroll wears a hat

Speaker 2 on the sidelines. One of the reporters brought that up to him earlier.

Speaker 1 See, he went backwards hat?

Speaker 2 He went backwards hat.

Speaker 1 Coward had no problem with it.

Speaker 2 Coward flipped the fuck out on Pete Carroll. No, he did that after the game.
After the game.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying Coward, I think, was fine with it. He was okay with it? Yeah, which is really fucked up.

Speaker 2 He's gotten soft.

Speaker 1 Yeah, real soft.

Speaker 2 Real soft. But I don't know.
He said that he would factor that into his decision making on what he wore for the game.

Speaker 2 But I still, despite those last two stats I just told you, I still think if it's Tannehill, I'm going to take the Titans.

Speaker 1 This will be an interesting spot because I'm looking at it right now. I think this might be the earliest that a Mike Frable Titans team is eliminated.
I think it is, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, they've always been in it towards the end. So, how are they going to respond? Can he get a classic Titans win where it's like no one expects him to win out of these guys?

Speaker 2 Really, the only move to go for here is to start Tannehill.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I think they might do Willis just because we got to see what we got, even though we know it's not good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just hoping maybe it'll be different this time. Maybe Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 I do like, I am also in favor of the, it's kind of similar to the GM getting the name that was once good.

Speaker 1 Just living your life, just maybe it'll be different this time, knowing it won't, but there's always some fun.

Speaker 2 We're not going to second-guess ourselves here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe this, maybe this will go differently than it's gone every single time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just start Tanhill. Let's do that for America.

Speaker 1 Uh, did you do the nerd nugget?

Speaker 10 He got me.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, nice. no cop.
Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice. 4-0.
All right. Shut off your mic.

Speaker 10 Yep. See ya.

Speaker 1 Got him. Nice, PFT.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Got him. See you later, Jake.
See you, nerd.

Speaker 1 Commanders of Jets.

Speaker 2 This is a game of football, and it's being played this weekend.

Speaker 1 Is it?

Speaker 2 In the NFL. Is it? It's a game of football.
I went back. I did an all-22 breakdown on the end-of-game sequencing by Ronda Vera.
It was worse than I had originally remembered. It was very bad.

Speaker 2 He let the play clock go down to one second every single time. He didn't get a playoff intentionally before the two-minute warning.
He is doing his very best to tank, and I respect that.

Speaker 2 So looking at this game on paper, I think the wrong team's favored. I think the commander should be favored, but that doesn't account for the fact that Ron Rivera is actively trying to lose games.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe Aaron Rodgers will play, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's not going to play.

Speaker 6 Hasn't he been cleared?

Speaker 2 I think he said he was going to be medically cleared, and he was targeting this day to come back, but for some reason, he's not going to play. That's weird.
It's very weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 No, I don't want to do this.

Speaker 2 I just want... I don't want to bet this game.

Speaker 1 I want

Speaker 2 Sam Howell to not get injured. The commanders should win this game.

Speaker 1 I think the Ron. I don't know if that's necessarily true.

Speaker 2 If you had Eric Bienemi as the head coach, I think they win this game. But I think Ron is actively, and thank you to Ron Rivera for doing this.

Speaker 2 I think he's actively trying to get us a better draft pick in exchange for getting to say he's the head coach. So there's no gaps on his resume.
I don't know if...

Speaker 1 I mean, the Jets' defense is still good, and

Speaker 1 if their defensive line is, you would think would still be playing hard to get stats and incentives and all that stuff. Memes, this is a must-win?

Speaker 7 No, this is a must-lose. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We would swap picks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This, this game will impact. This is maybe the most meaningful game, actually, of the weekend because it's going to impact both franchises moving forward.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm calling it the Joe Alt Bowl.

Speaker 7 He's the top lineman in the draft.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I like that. Notre Dame guy, right? Yeah.
I thought the Penn State guy was.

Speaker 7 I'm seeing Joe Alt higher, but slightly higher.

Speaker 1 I watched the tape. I'm taking the left tackle.

Speaker 10 Take a thaw has Holu Fashanu.

Speaker 1 Me and memes are. I don't know if I'm debating about this.

Speaker 1 Which left tackle, but Penn State is a beast. Yeah.
Penn State.

Speaker 2 Joe Alt, also very good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, but what positions does Joe Alt play?

Speaker 10 I think he's offensive tackle.

Speaker 2 So this might be.

Speaker 1 Is the deal left tackle?

Speaker 2 It might be the Joe Alt bowl, but in terms of, oh, fuck, I wish we hadn't gotten gotten Joe Alt. I wish we got the guy from Penn State instead.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's most likely what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 To either team. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it,

Speaker 2 whichever team ends up losing this game and getting the better draft pick, if we're going based on history here, we're going to be the team that you look back on and you say, we really blew that draft.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 now you almost want to win.

Speaker 1 I think the Jets are going to be. He is a left tackle.
So yeah, you could take both. The position is

Speaker 1 valuable.

Speaker 7 Yeah, based on Jets' history, they win this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it was like Tuesday was the anniversary of the Trevor Lawrence fuck-up. We got Zach Wilson instead.
You beat the Rams.

Speaker 10 In November, the AP wrote an article saying Notre Dame O.T. Joe Alt is a once-in-a-generation talent for the number 20 high race.

Speaker 2 We need to stop using that phrase, though, once-in-a-generation.

Speaker 10 This is a once-in-a-generation podcast.

Speaker 1 It wasn't Quentin Nelson, Matt.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Andrew Luck, once-in-a-generation. Tony Mandrick.
Trevor Lawrence, Brian Bosworth.

Speaker 1 What's the nerd nugget for this game?

Speaker 10 Jets punter Thomas Morstead ranks first in the NFL this season in Punts inside the 10 with 15 of them and Todd for second in Punts inside the 20 28 punts okay it's huge huge punting game this weekend Tressway versus Morstead that's what we're going to keep our eye on oh we did cut the cheeseman so yeah cheese man or long snapper got cut

Speaker 2 uh he should have been cut in training camp this year and for some reason we used a it doesn't get talked talked about enough but the commanders used a draft pick on a long snapper that sucks.

Speaker 2 That's about as bad as it can get. That's tough.

Speaker 1 It's not great. No.
It's not great. Okay, next up, Jaguars at Bucs.
Maybe no Trevor Lawrence. Concussion.

Speaker 1 Maybe no Zay Jones. Hamstring.

Speaker 1 Also, the Bucs are playing good football right now. Did you know Devin White, I think they're going to bench him again.
So they're 3-0 when they have KJ Britt play instead of Devin White.

Speaker 2 I like the Bucs in this game. I do too.
I think the Bucs are just good now.

Speaker 2 I think they stunk earlier this season.

Speaker 1 I don't think they're good. I think they're above average.
I think they've played bad teams.

Speaker 2 I think they're above average right now, the way they're playing.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 they beat up on the NFC South. Yep.
Which is that we need the NFC South.

Speaker 2 They took care of business.

Speaker 1 They took care of business. They also like the Blitz.
Trevor Lawrence is not great against the Blitz.

Speaker 1 Trevor Lawrence, like, if the Jaguars lose this game, the Jaguars are not going to, they could maybe not make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 It's a possibility. It's crazy.
It is. We thought that when they beat the Texans a couple weeks ago, that sealed the deal.
Congratulations to the Jaguars. But

Speaker 2 what have you read about Trevor Lawrence? Because I haven't heard one way or the other about him.

Speaker 1 I just concussion protocol. We've got to figure it out.

Speaker 1 By the way, the Bucs, three wins, so that's why I pushed back a little on. They're good now.
They beat the Panthers by three. They beat the Falcons by four.

Speaker 1 Then they did beat the Packers soundly, but it's not murderous row. On the road.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the Panthers and the Falcons are not good teams. Not good.
Not good teams.

Speaker 1 Nerd nugget for this game. I'm looking up the Jaguars rest of their schedule.

Speaker 10 Through week 15, 12-year veteran Levante David is the only player in the NFL with 100-plus tackles and 15-plus tackles for loss.

Speaker 10 Since 2000, David's 10 seasons with 100-plus tackles are the third most, trailing only London Fletcher and Bobby Wagner.

Speaker 1 That's so many tackles. Very good for a long time.

Speaker 2 So many tackles. Imagine tackling somebody 100 times.

Speaker 1 All right, so the Jags should be good because they play the Panthers and Titans after this.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, But that would be very Jacksonville to lose to like Malik Willis in week 18.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What are you looking at, Max?

Speaker 2 I think memes is all over draftboardguru.com.

Speaker 6 No, memes is just wrong about who the top tackle is.

Speaker 1 Memes

Speaker 1 wrong?

Speaker 6 He said according to his thing, his eyes, Joe Alt.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 7 we looked something up on

Speaker 6 and looked at 10 of them in a row that all said the Penn State guy was ahead of them.

Speaker 2 Those are opinion-based. Memes, are you thinking Alt because he fits Izzy's running style a little bit better?

Speaker 7 Yeah, and the history of Notre Dame Lyman.

Speaker 6 And easier name to say.

Speaker 1 That's the biggest thing for me, guys.

Speaker 1 The biggest thing.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, for guys from Long Island, it probably does factor into the equation, right?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Nerd nugget for Jags. Oh, no, you did that.
Levante David. Cardinals, Bears.
I hate that this game is in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 I kept on thinking it was in Arizona.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you like to be able to just kind of lose it in the shuffle.

Speaker 1 Right, and it's one of three games in the afternoon. Yeah.
So,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think the Bears might lose this game.
The Cardinals, they outgame the 49ers last week.

Speaker 2 You're down on the Bears right now, but

Speaker 2 I don't think the Bears are as bad as you think. No, I think you're letting your personal emotions know

Speaker 2 the gateway game.

Speaker 1 I'm not down on the Bears.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited about the Bears' future. The rest of the season, it's back to losing is better than winning.
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Like, especially a game like this, because it's the Cardinals who you're neck and neck with for a pick. So I'm as high as I could be on the Bears going forward.

Speaker 1 The rest of this season, there is no benefit in winning these games anymore.

Speaker 2 This might be the Joe Alt Bowl.

Speaker 1 Let's see. It is, yeah, Arizona.
Yeah, so if the this could be a huge swing, because if the Bears win this game, they go from the fifth pick to like the 11th pick.

Speaker 2 It's funny because this weekend, I think Big Cat's going to be rooting for the Commanders, and I'm going to be rooting for the Bears.

Speaker 1 No, the Jets can, if the Jets win, it's fine too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess so, because you're both 5-9.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are going to be rooting for the Bears, though.

Speaker 2 Let's go Bears.

Speaker 1 Also, I like that everyone came out. It's cool that everyone on the Bears came out and was like, it'd be a mistake to trade Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, that means nothing.

Speaker 2 DJ Moore said very, he didn't equivocate. He was like, it shouldn't be a conversation.
He should be a quarterback. Right.

Speaker 1 And unfortunately, like, I like that. I like that everyone has his back, but you can't make a decision based on who the players like.
Right. Unfortunately.
Like, it's just a fact.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't be like, oh, we're going to draft someone else. Hope they're going to still want to play football.

Speaker 2 They're not the GM.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're going to still want to play football.

Speaker 1 But it is cool to see everyone rally behind him. And, yeah, I don't really want this game is whatever.

Speaker 2 It does mean a lot. Kind of lose.
It does mean a lot to lose losers.

Speaker 1 Just lose.

Speaker 1 Okay, the big game. Oh, yeah, nerd nugget.
Doot, doo-doo-doo. Oh, man.
Nerd nugget of the week. For this game?

Speaker 10 It's crazy.

Speaker 10 In the Cardinals' first 101 seasons as an NFL franchise from 1920 to 2020, there were six made field goals of 56-plus yards. So

Speaker 10 six field goals, 56-plus, and 100 seasons. Matt Prater's 58-yard field goal versus the 49ers last week gave him seven field goals of 56 plus yards in just 44 games in Arizona.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Matt Prater is very, very strong.

Speaker 1 44 games.

Speaker 2 He's so strong.

Speaker 10 Seven long field goals

Speaker 10 is more than the first hundred years of the franchise.

Speaker 2 Prater salad.

Speaker 1 It's a lot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, his 58-yard that they kicked last week, I think that would have been good from like 73. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they didn't kick long field goals back in the day. That's a good stat for like the last 20 years.
100 years. Still, yeah.
I wonder what, what was the long, can you find that for us?

Speaker 10 In like the 1900s?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like what was the long, what was the record for the longest field goal until it was broken sometime in the 90s?

Speaker 2 That would be interesting. It was Dimpsey.
It was Dimpsey, the kicker that had the club foot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he had the special shoe that he wore that was just like, it was half of a foot, so the front of it was just flat.

Speaker 1 How long was it?

Speaker 2 He kicked a 63-yarder?

Speaker 1 That's longer than I expected.

Speaker 2 But they made it a rule that you're not allowed to have a kicker that has a front flat. Right.
Right. We need kickers with two feet here.

Speaker 1 Find that for us, Jake. I'm interested in that.

Speaker 2 It was Dimpsey. I think it was 63, and then that was tied, and then I think it got broken to 64.

Speaker 1 Because kicker position is definitely one of those positions that you can note where it became very different.

Speaker 2 Where it became specialized.

Speaker 1 Yeah, where guys are really good at it, and they don't miss.

Speaker 10 So my field dimensions have been the same since 1920.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't think that's true because the

Speaker 2 outputs used to be at the front of the end zone.

Speaker 1 But they would just count it differently. Yeah.
They would count it exactly the same

Speaker 1 as the yardage.

Speaker 1 What do you got i'm still looking okay uh added on to the next nerd nugget

Speaker 1 wait that was nerd nugget of the week yeah

Speaker 1 i'm trying to think whichever what other ones oh the pete carol one should have yeah the no cap yeah no cap yeah it doesn't hit the same one but that one's i said that one you should have made it nerd nugget of the week go ahead i'll make it go ahead that was nerd nugget of the week

Speaker 2 Nerd nugget of the week.

Speaker 2 If I defeat you to a nerd nugget, Jake, we should get a locker, and I should get to put you in the locker i like that we have lockers but i don't know if they're big enough jake locker yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 1 uh okay

Speaker 1 last game on or no not last game on sunday but last game in the afternoon best game fraud bowl cowboys at dolphins who baby who baby uh let's start with the fact that uh we know why tyree hill has been scoring all those touchdowns he's on his third baby this year with three different women yeah he's that jake was like, what's going on with Tyreek Hill?

Speaker 2 I was like, he's just been doing a baby bump all year long.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's been scoring every single week. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Literally. Yes.
On and off the field. Yes.

Speaker 1 He also, I think, congrats. I think he got married like last month.
Good for him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Good for him. Settling down.
Yeah. I guess having three kids in the same calendar year will make you re-evaluate some stuff.

Speaker 1 I don't know if any of them are with his wife.

Speaker 2 There's got to be one, right?

Speaker 1 I hope. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Good luck to the couple. He has a type.
Yeah. He's got a type.
I saw the graphic that they tweeted out, and it was like, all right,

Speaker 2 I know what you're into, Tyreek. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good job. Yeah.
Tyreek's having a great season on and off the field.

Speaker 2 He's getting a head start on his post-NFL career being a porn star. Correct.

Speaker 1 Correct. Although, yeah, I mean, I guess they probably do pay more for cream pies.

Speaker 1 No comment.

Speaker 1 Do they get

Speaker 1 paid more or less?

Speaker 1 I think cream pies, because that's like not everything is a cream pie, so it's like a specialized.

Speaker 2 I don't know if that's an add-on for the guy. I think the girl gets paid more for that.
For the guy, it's just like I would rather do that.

Speaker 2 Oh, Hank said, maybe not.

Speaker 9 No, I agree.

Speaker 2 You know how the budgets work?

Speaker 1 That'd be funny if it actually was a line item.

Speaker 9 Tier system, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, we got craft services for the food.
This one's going to be a cream pie, so we're going to add an extra thousand. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 TFing beforehand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, we're watching Tom Dempsey's 63-yarder on 1970.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's see the front of his foot. It's just flat.
That's cool. Because he was born with half of a foot.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's not a 63 yarder, though. That's like a 62 and 7 eighths yarder.

Speaker 1 You really shouldn't be counting inches like that.

Speaker 2 I should.

Speaker 1 All right, so that was a good nerd nugget then, Jake.

Speaker 2 Stand correct. Are you talking about my penis or my height?

Speaker 1 I was talking about height, but if you were thinking penis.

Speaker 2 No, I was thinking height originally, and then I was like, maybe he's talking about my penis again.

Speaker 1 I'd never talk about another man's penis. Back to Tyreek Hill cream cream pieing.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I'm excited for this game. I've been thinking about it a lot.
It is the Fraud Bowl. It's the Unstoppable Force versus the Immovable Object.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys on the road versus the Dolphins playing a team over 500. Hank, how are you feeling in Cowboyland?

Speaker 9 I feel good. I feel like this is the get-right game.
This is the game we prove to the world. We're for real, and it's going to give us all the momentum we need going into the playoffs.

Speaker 9 Still trying to win the division. Win out, we win the division, right, Max?

Speaker 9 Is that correct?

Speaker 2 Let's let Max run the numbers real quick.

Speaker 1 No. It's not correct? Not correct.

Speaker 2 Hank, is that not correct?

Speaker 9 I trust Max,

Speaker 9 but we want to win the division.

Speaker 2 Seemed like you really set Max up to say, yeah, you would win the division, then you were wrong.

Speaker 1 No, I actually didn't know.

Speaker 9 I legitimately.

Speaker 1 Right now the Cowboys are listed ahead of the Eagles.

Speaker 6 So that's because the Eagles haven't played the Giants yet.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 9 So they have a better divisional record.

Speaker 2 Got it. But that's only because we haven't played the Giants.
Got it. Yeah, this is going to be...

Speaker 1 Wait, but the Cowboys only have one loss in the division as well.

Speaker 2 I don't think they have as many divisional wins, though.

Speaker 1 No, they actually have more. Do they? Yeah.

Speaker 6 But we still play the Cardinals as well.

Speaker 1 Conference. You're talking conference now.
Yeah, wait. You said division.

Speaker 10 Division. If the Eagles and Cowboys win their final three games, the division would be decided by strength of victory tiebreaker, which can't be determined yet.

Speaker 2 Ooh, what's strength of victory? Yeah, Ed Werter.

Speaker 1 That might. So what you're saying, Max, I think it starts, it goes head-to-head, then it goes division, then it goes conference.
I think conference is what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Wait, no, but the Cowboys have three losses, and the Cowboys and the Eagles both have three losses. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I've seen people say that

Speaker 6 the narrative right now is that if the Eagles win out, they still get the two.

Speaker 6 I think the percentage.

Speaker 1 All right, let's look. I'm going to do the simulator real quick.

Speaker 10 What's awesome while you're looking at that is like, I'm sure you guys know this, but I'm sure some listeners don't. Like the final tiebreaker is a coin flip.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it should be telling me. I don't think it'll ever happen.

Speaker 10 It happens for draft picks sometimes, but

Speaker 1 like, could you imagine? Who do you send out?

Speaker 2 Who do the Cowboys and the Eagles send out for that coin toss?

Speaker 10 Head coach each team or owner?

Speaker 2 No, like pick somebody, anybody from your franchise's history.

Speaker 1 Where would they do it?

Speaker 10 Like in the office? Right now.

Speaker 2 Roderick Dell's office, yeah.

Speaker 1 I just did it on the playoff simulator. It does have the Eagles winning the division.

Speaker 2 But I think you have to take into account every other game that you fill out to figure out what the strength of victory is.

Speaker 1 All right, so let's do that.

Speaker 6 But like we have the Chiefs, they play the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Saints Rams. We're going to do all the.
I'm just kidding. So, Strength of Victory is the fifth point.

Speaker 1 We just filled out every

Speaker 10 strength of victory is the fifth, and then it goes down to 12. 12 is the coin toss.

Speaker 1 I needed to get to a coin toss.

Speaker 10 There's net touchdowns, net points. Like, this will never happen.

Speaker 1 Max losing a coin toss would be incredible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They should actually have the president do it.

Speaker 10 Oh, man. It'll never go.

Speaker 2 Sleepy Joe tried to flip a coin. Isn't that one of the tests that you give somebody to see

Speaker 1 how cheated are you? Okay. I kind of like the Cowboys in this game.

Speaker 2 I don't.

Speaker 1 Here's why. I'll make my argument, then you make your argument.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So, the Cowboys

Speaker 1 have given up 264 points this season, fifth best in the league. Half of those games, they gave up 70 points.
So the other half is the majority of the points they gave up.

Speaker 1 Those seven games where they only gave up 70 points have all been against bottom tier offensive lines.

Speaker 1 So Commanders, Giants, Panthers, Giants twice, Panthers, Patriots, Jets, Rams even are in the bottom half. They're more like in the middle.

Speaker 1 The Dolphins have had good offensive line play, but now they have a shitload of injuries.

Speaker 1 So they lost, I think they got their tackle back, but then they lost Austin Jackson, who might play with an oblique injury. I think the Cowboys might be able to get home.

Speaker 1 I think they might be able to pressure two in this game.

Speaker 2 My counterpoint is that Tyreek Hill is going to be like 110%. Yeah.
And he's ready to go. And the baby bump.
And the baby bump, which is just his entire season's been a baby bump.

Speaker 2 But I feel like in this case, they held him out last week for no real reason other than to just make sure he didn't get hurt again. Yep.
He was ready to go in pregame warm-ups.

Speaker 2 There's no defense for Tyreek Hill. There's no protection that you can put on Tyreek Hill that will stop him.

Speaker 1 He'll cream pie no matter what.

Speaker 2 We've learned that.

Speaker 2 He is going to feast on the Dallas Cowboys defense, I think. And also, part of this might be because I've been watching the in-season hard knocks with the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 So I've got that attachment to them that you get preseason when you watch it. Mike McDaniel stood up in front of the team after they lost the Titans.

Speaker 2 And the speech that he gave to the team was just him going through every single mistake that he made as a coach and how he personally cost them the game. I love it.

Speaker 2 And how he needs to do these things differently because he was counting, he was begging his players to

Speaker 2 have to make superhuman plays in order to keep them in that game, to win that game. And he put them in bad positions, and they almost overcame how shitty his coaching was.

Speaker 1 Love that.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 2 This is my Mike McDaniel game. I think that the team's going to line up and be ready to go and I love Tyreek Hill in this game.

Speaker 1 This game, no matter whoever wins this game, the loser I'm going to think is just forget about it.

Speaker 2 Biggest fraud ever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No chance.

Speaker 1 I will change my perception on the loser of this game so severely.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl. Yeah.
Yeah, no, the winner's a Super Bowl contender in my mind.

Speaker 2 This is the most important game of the season in the entire NFL. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They might as well just

Speaker 1 eliminate the loser from the playoffs and put the winner into their conference championship.

Speaker 2 The coach should have to wear a patch on his jacket like the Walter Payton Man of the Year. This is fraud on it.

Speaker 1 So now that you've listened to all this,

Speaker 1 if you're smart, you should wait to see who the loser is and then put a future on him because we're going to be so wrong. Yep.
And we are going to completely eliminate the loser.

Speaker 2 And you should fade the fuck out of the player. The winner, yes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 All right, Nerd and Holly. We won't be doing that.
I just thought of it. No, no, we'll be clear.
We'll stay clear with our overreaction.

Speaker 1 This game matters more than every other game on the calendar.

Speaker 2 I'm going to have it in the back of my head that I'm wrong about it, but I'm still going to follow my heart. Correct.
Like, send the Cowboys home.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We will lead Tuesday's episode with, and the Dolphins or the Cowboys have been eliminated.

Speaker 1 Promise.

Speaker 10 I just thought of an impromptu nerd nugget.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. Oh, no.
This is. Do you guys think this is

Speaker 1 Jake?

Speaker 2 You're really stretching.

Speaker 1 Well, it's not confirmed, but I want to. Are you going to freestyle a nerd nugget? Yeah.
Holy shit.

Speaker 10 Do you guys think this this is the first ever NFL game where the two head coaches are Mike Micks?

Speaker 2 No, it can't. McCarthy,

Speaker 2 he's probably coached against McDaniels, Scott, Josh McDaniels before.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, Mike Mix. Mike Mix.

Speaker 2 Huh? Oh, Mike Micks.

Speaker 10 Mike McCoy. Wasn't he the head coach of the Chargers? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Mike Mick.

Speaker 1 Mike.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mike McCoy was.

Speaker 10 Was he with them? No, he was with the Chargers.

Speaker 1 No, he was at the Chargers. Yeah.
Yeah, you know who else was there? Fucking Giff.

Speaker 2 Mike McShanahan.

Speaker 1 It might be. It might be.
Mike McShanahan. That would be a great name.
I would hire that guy in a second.

Speaker 10 The confirmed our nugget via the NFL on CBS. The stat does back up the fraud ball allegations.

Speaker 10 Cowboys versus Dolphins will be the first game in NFL history between teams with 20 combined wins, but one or fewer wins versus teams above 500.

Speaker 10 Cowboys, 1-3 against teams above 500, 9-1 against teams 500 or below. Dolphins, 0-3 above 500, 10-1 versus 500 or below.

Speaker 2 Not only will I call the losing team fraud, I'll call them Mickey Mouse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chargers played the Packers week six in 2015.

Speaker 10 So that was Mike McCoy.

Speaker 1 It was Mike McCarthy. Yep.

Speaker 10 All right, so probably second game ever.

Speaker 1 Don't make me fucking go. No, I know.
I'm going to find someone Mike McClellan. You're serious?

Speaker 2 You've given him a purpose now, Jason. It's cool.
It's the Mike McBull. Mike McBull.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's like a name.

Speaker 2 Mike McBull.

Speaker 2 That's actually a pretty good name, yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you...

Speaker 2 Todd Bowles shows up next year after he's been fired for an interview. He's like, hey, let me please coach.
My name's Mike McBull.

Speaker 9 Am I loading up on the Cowboys? Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, you are.

Speaker 2 It's a load-up game. You're going to take him in our weekly picks here?

Speaker 9 Find out.

Speaker 2 Well, you said you're loading up on them.

Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 2 You've been pretty good at gambling this year, too, right?

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 9 But.

Speaker 9 No, it's been bad. There's no buts.

Speaker 1 I'm due. That was a big but.

Speaker 9 But I'm due. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. But I'll give you a butt.
But Hank has actually been probably the best gambler on the show until this year.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Because we were looking at his stats.
No,

Speaker 1 he hit one Hungry Dog on a bonus day last year.

Speaker 2 Over the holidays.

Speaker 2 Facts are facts, we've been looking at Hank's stats, and leading into this year, he was actually up money over his entire career gambling on the Barcelon Sportsbook. Whoa.

Speaker 2 And nowhere near that for me. I know it's nowhere near that for Big Cat.
No.

Speaker 2 But this year, Hank's been so bad that not only has he lost all his money this year, but he lost all his gains from his previous seasons. No,

Speaker 1 I got like a small island country's GDP.

Speaker 1 Pick a small island country. Okay, last game on Sunday, Patriots, Broncos, Christmas Eve.

Speaker 9 Why is this prime time?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's because of flex.

Speaker 2 Because we're the Patriots. And the Patriots are America's team.
We're a fucking dynasty.

Speaker 1 I think you guys are going to win this game.

Speaker 1 You're not going to win this game. I think you're going to cover this game.

Speaker 2 Did you see see the news this week? The NFL now looking at more game ball deflate allegations? Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so in the Chiefs Patriots game, they found that a bunch of the kicking balls, like all the kicking balls, had been deflated down to 11 pounds per square inch instead of up to the standard 13 pounds per square inch.

Speaker 2 And now the NFL is just saying, oh, yeah, that's the ideal gas law. It naturally deflated down to that.
Can you think of any other important games where

Speaker 2 the balls were deflated down to 11 pounds per square inch and the NFL did not accept the argument of it being the ideal gas law. I can think of one.

Speaker 2 They should personally apologize to Tom Brady

Speaker 2 after the findings of last week's game.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 1 You think they're going to cover?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Patriots stop the run very well.

Speaker 1 Maybe run the... I don't know if Ramondre's playing, is he?

Speaker 9 I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 Garrett Bowles on the Broncos did say playoffs football from here on out. Okay.
I love when that happens. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Playoffs. Lose, you go home.

Speaker 1 They have an 80% chance of making the playoffs if they win all the remaining games.

Speaker 2 They might set a record for the most playoff losses in a single season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true. Possibility.
Okay, nerd nugget.

Speaker 10 Also, I don't think this game can be flexible because it's technically not Sunday night football. It's an NFL network game.
Ah. So that might have to do with it.
That makes sense.

Speaker 10 Saturday is the two NBC games.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 2 That always fucks with my brain when they're like Thursday night football on Saturday.

Speaker 9 Monday night football on Thursday. Thursday.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Broncos quarterback Russell Wilson needs one passing touchdown to become the second Bronco, quarterback Peyton Manning in 2012 and 13, to pass for at least one touchdown in each of the first 15 games of a single season.

Speaker 10 Wow.

Speaker 2 That really just shows you how bad Broncos quarterbacks have been besides Peyton Manning.

Speaker 1 John Ellen never did it. Huh?

Speaker 1 That wasn't a passing league. No.

Speaker 10 Also 15 games of a season. How many regular season games? Was it still 16?

Speaker 1 It was 14 and then 16, but it was 16 for for a while.

Speaker 2 Really, as long as I can remember watching football was 16.

Speaker 1 14 was like what?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, 14 was way longer.

Speaker 2 I think it was, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Monday.

Speaker 1 Monday. We got three games.
Chris. So much football.
Love it. Raiders, the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Maybe the Raiders? No.
That's all I wrote down.

Speaker 2 No, I think it's the Chiefs. Okay.

Speaker 1 You know what's a crazy stat?

Speaker 2 I think Rice is dialed.

Speaker 1 You know what's a crazy stat? Because I think we all admit Travis Kelsey, Hall of Famer, incredible tight end,

Speaker 1 has maybe lost a little step this year. You also could make the argument it's maybe not his lost step.
It's the fact that the receivers suck and everyone can just focus on him.

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey is still leading the league in yards for tight ends.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's crazy because

Speaker 1 I went to look it up and I was shocked.

Speaker 2 We're used to seeing Travis Kelsey put up 150-yard games all the time.

Speaker 1 It puts into perspective just how good he is, the fact that everyone's like, ah, he's lost step. He's still leading the league in receiving yards.

Speaker 2 Is this Travis Kelsey's best season? Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's nuts. Yeah.
Nuts. The way he gets talked about now

Speaker 1 is, well, it's funny because if you listen to fantasy podcasts, he might not be TE1 anymore.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 He's still fucking really good.

Speaker 2 I think that the Chiefs are, their switch flipping is inevitable. I think that's just

Speaker 2 it gets started. And I think that the Chiefs,

Speaker 2 I think we're going to end up looking at the season and saying the Chiefs are the number one seed.

Speaker 1 The only thing is,

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes historically is a big favorite. Like, they don't cover a lot.
Right. Because they just don't have to blow teams out.
They kind of have the game in hand, run the ball.

Speaker 1 Second half, second half, unders and the Chiefs, I think, is like 13-2 this year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we talked to Julian Edelman a lot about the Chiefs and the receivers. Turns out drops are contagious.
They are. So hopefully they've stopped that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Nerd nugget.

Speaker 10 AFC West titles at the conclusion of the 2015 season. Broncos 15.
Chargers 15. Raiders 15.
Chiefs 8. AFC West titles as it stands today.
15, 15, 15, 15.

Speaker 10 With the win against the Raiders, the Chiefs will have the most AFC West titles, completely flipping the script in eight seasons. We have Pete Sweeney.

Speaker 1 Goddamn, I think that's the nerd nugget of the week.

Speaker 2 It'd be so cool.

Speaker 10 I had it, and then I switched it.

Speaker 1 No, you made a mistake. That's a good nerd nugget.

Speaker 2 It'd be so cool to be a Chiefs fan.

Speaker 1 God damn it. So stuck with my gun.

Speaker 4 We're not allowed in KC.

Speaker 1 We are now. Oh.

Speaker 2 I think the poll ended up 52%.

Speaker 1 We're like fuck yes.

Speaker 2 So, yeah. I might buy a house there.

Speaker 1 I went back. You know, like when someone will like a tweet from weeks ago,

Speaker 1 someone did it on that thread, and I went back and I just started laughing again about that guy. He was just like, don't even try to come to Casey.

Speaker 2 It's on site in Casey.

Speaker 1 It's so great.

Speaker 1 Okay, Giants, Eagles, Max.

Speaker 1 You're going up against the Italian wonder.

Speaker 2 Yep. A little house divided.

Speaker 10 Also, people were saying we mushed the agent. He's still his agent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. He's just not off-field.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He hired a marketing agent, which I'm pretty sure happens all the time.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 2 And they did the right move. He went out to the pizza place.
I think he did the appearance for free.

Speaker 1 He's a stand-up guy. Yeah.
Stand-up guy.

Speaker 1 Max. Yep.
Max is a hoop guy now.

Speaker 1 He's just

Speaker 1 Nova and Sixers.

Speaker 6 That was a big night of hoops last night for me.

Speaker 2 Big night of hoops. I went over to say hi to Max last night at the bar.
I sat down next to him at the table. I was just like, hey, Max.

Speaker 1 And he just looked at me and goes, how the fuck are we losing this fucking game? That's not what I said.

Speaker 2 That's almost exactly verbatim what you said.

Speaker 9 Some guy came up to me at the bar and was like, is Max like real?

Speaker 9 Like, are you guys like, does he, are you guys making, you know, is that on purpose when you guys get him mad, or is that like planned?

Speaker 9 And I was like, if you know, we were planning that, Max would be the greatest actor in the world. He's like, you think if I go up to him right now and get him mad, can I?

Speaker 9 I was like, just go ask him about Jay Wright in the middle of the Villanova game.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 9 What would you say, Max?

Speaker 6 I don't know. Well, he immediately was like, Hank told me to ask that.

Speaker 1 But he did snap.

Speaker 9 He got the snap.

Speaker 1 Eagles' offense is broken, Max.

Speaker 6 This is a get-right game.

Speaker 1 Okay, they scored.

Speaker 6 The spread is

Speaker 6 alarmingly high. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is. They scored.
Eagles scored 20 points or more in the first half 10 times last year. They've never done it this year.

Speaker 1 Until Sunday. Or Sunday.
Monday. Monday.

Speaker 1 Ben Solik wrote a deep dive article on the Eagles' offense being broken. It was a good read.

Speaker 1 It was basically like Shane Steichen had at least some type of offense that flowed, and Jalen Hurts' injury, which we've been the first to report, is actually a big detriment because

Speaker 1 they don't run under center except for the push-tush, tush-push.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they run their offense like he is a scrambler, and he hasn't really been a scrambler this year. Designed runs, yes, but like scrambling runs, no.

Speaker 6 They also, like, the play calling is just very vanilla. Yeah, it's like the same six play calls.

Speaker 1 It's essentially smashing the A.J. Brown man coverage button.
Yeah, they say, over and over.

Speaker 2 They said they were at the end of the game against the Seahawks,

Speaker 2 the goal of that play was to get pass interference.

Speaker 6 I hated that quote.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I was going to say why I hate it, but I want to hear why you hate it.

Speaker 6 Because you should never go into a play with the result hoping to counterpoint Joe Flacco.

Speaker 1 I don't care about Joe Flacco. Okay.

Speaker 6 The whole middle, just go to the middle of the field. Get the yards.
I don't need to get mad about that again.

Speaker 2 I agree with Max, actually.

Speaker 2 Joe Flacco can do it because he's really good.

Speaker 1 He's the one guy you should do that.

Speaker 2 But Jalen Hurts, to ask him to do that,

Speaker 2 you're almost saying, like, hey, go out there, throw an incomplete pass on purpose.

Speaker 6 Yes,

Speaker 6 that's what they were asking me to do, and I don't like that at the end of the game when all you needed to get was

Speaker 1 16 yards in the middle of the field. It's also tough that Christian McCaffrey went on the Manning Cast and

Speaker 1 perfectly predicted the play.

Speaker 1 And that's not good.

Speaker 2 Is this a must-win?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Has to be

Speaker 6 13 and a half point favorites.

Speaker 2 But I mean, you lost a must-win.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So your must-wins mean nothing to me.

Speaker 6 They always meant nothing. That's not true.

Speaker 2 Also, take that clip and put it on the soundboard.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Last game. Oh, Nerd Nugget, did you do it?

Speaker 10 Jalen Hurts ranked second in the NFL with 33 total touchdowns, trailing only Josh Allen, who has 37.

Speaker 10 Hurts needs two total touchdowns to tie his franchise record of 35 set last year, which he shares with Randall Cunningham in 1990. Sounds like he's the guy.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Great stat, Jake.
Maybe.

Speaker 2 He did say he was the thermostat this week. I like that quote.
I'm the thermostat. I set the temperature of every room I'm in.
That's just a good mentality to have. Yeah.
Good mindset. It is.

Speaker 1 Okay. Best game.
Ravens and 49ers. Ooh, boys, this is a treat.

Speaker 2 I can't wait. It is.
It's a good Christmas present for America, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's also, I think, the latest two teams with the best record in each conference have played since like 1993.

Speaker 1 Whew.

Speaker 1 Whew.

Speaker 2 I love the Niners.

Speaker 1 I love the Ravens. Okay.

Speaker 1 I like that we

Speaker 2 I love the Niners. I just think I don't think that the Niners can be beat when they have their team together.
If you're missing Trent Williams, Debo Samuel, then they're obviously much, much weaker.

Speaker 1 Well, we're talking spread, too. Yeah?

Speaker 2 I'm talking spread. Are you talking spread?

Speaker 1 I like Ravens and spread.

Speaker 2 Okay, I like the Niners. I've yet to determine whether or not I like them, but I think that I like them against the Spread.

Speaker 1 Okay, a couple things for the Ravens case.

Speaker 1 Shout out to guys at Sports Info Solutions. The Ravens are second best

Speaker 1 in the league at, or sorry, they're first in the league in stopping yards after catch, which is what the 49ers feast on. Think about all the times when it's like, you know, Debo over the middle,

Speaker 1 10-yard, boom, he takes it to the house. McCaffrey out of the backfield, little, you know, screen, boom, he takes it to the house.
Ravens gang tackle. They do a good job getting to the ball.

Speaker 1 That's part of why I like this. I like the Ravens for that reason.
Also, I like the Ravens because

Speaker 1 Lamar Jackson and the the Ravens are 19-5 against the Spread as an underdog since 2015. And Lamar, remember PFT, 19-1 straight up against the NFC.

Speaker 2 I don't look at the Niners being the NFC. The Niners are different.
They're just the Niners.

Speaker 1 Here's another one. Is this truly Monday Night Football?

Speaker 2 Yes, Joe Buck will be on the call.

Speaker 1 Seven straight up sets outright. Yep, Monday Night Football.

Speaker 2 Do we know what the word with Kyle Hamilton is? I do not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the Ravens are going to keep it. I think they're going to stay in this game.

Speaker 2 Kyle Hamilton feels disrespected. I don't like that.
Oh, no. He's disrespected going to this game.
He's disrespected that they're underdogs to the Niners. This is...

Speaker 2 We should be underdogs to the Niners.

Speaker 2 Maybe not five points, but.

Speaker 1 Tomlin gets all the credit for being the underdog guy. Harbaugh is just as much an underdog guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They crush as underdogs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I still like the Niners. I just don't think that the Niners...
With a healthy team, I don't think they can be beat. Brock Purdy is just good, just playing good.

Speaker 2 And with all the talent that they have, I love the Niners to win every single game that they're in if they're healthy.

Speaker 1 And if the Niners win this game, I think it's pretty much set that they're going to be, it'd be tough for them not to get the one seed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because they've beaten the Cowboys and the Eagles head-to-head. Is there?

Speaker 1 And their last two games are Commanders. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 That's going to be bad.

Speaker 1 And the Rams. So

Speaker 2 I would say that maybe they're going to take their foot off the gas if they've got the one seed locked up. Well, they can't get it locked up this week.

Speaker 2 Kyle Shanahan is going to put his foot to the ground against the Commanders. He still fucking hates the Commanders, no matter.
Even though Snyder's gone, he is going to want to score 50 on us.

Speaker 1 I guess they could get it this week if the...

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 The Lions, Cowboys, and Eagles would all have to lose.

Speaker 6 Rams could be playing for a playoff spot in that last week.

Speaker 4 That game could be interesting.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're talking yourself into this?

Speaker 6 No, I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 Well, no, but if the Niners win this week and against the Commanders, the Niners will have the one seed. Well, they could lose this week, too.
Could lose this week.

Speaker 1 I guess the Lions could still get it. I wonder what the tiebreaker is there.

Speaker 2 Is there a line that you can bet right now on AFC versus NFC in the Super Bowl? I think so.

Speaker 2 Because I feel so strongly about the Niners that I almost want to bet them because I'm sure they'll be plus money, right?

Speaker 2 No, you mean they'll be the Niners to win as a future, but I'm also curious about what the AFC, NFC, Super Bowl odds are right now.

Speaker 1 I'm sure there is.

Speaker 1 But then you're obviously injuries.

Speaker 2 That would suck. Yeah, that would suck.
Yep.

Speaker 1 What's the nerd nugget here?

Speaker 10 In running back Christian McCaffrey and wide receiver Debo Samuel, the 49ers are the first team in NFL history to have multiple players with five or more rushing touchdowns and five or more receiving touchdowns in the same season.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 10 Those guys can do it all. They can do it all.
Also, how many people...

Speaker 1 Gang tackled.

Speaker 10 Yeah. How many people in media, if this is a good game, I'm expecting like 10 or 20 journalists being like, sign me up for round two in Las Vegas in February.

Speaker 1 When you say that, are you saying you're going to sign me up?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I agree, you are going to tweet the population.

Speaker 10 But don't you think a lot of others will too?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and give me all the popcorn.

Speaker 10 Yes. Yeah, give me all the popcorn.

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 10 wouldn't mine another one between these two in February?

Speaker 1 That would definitely happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm trying to find if there's that line. I'm trying to find it for you, PFT.
I'm sure someone has it. I found it.
What is it?

Speaker 7 AFC Conference plus 115.

Speaker 1 Okay, so. Yeah, so that would be a good bet.

Speaker 2 That'd be what, like minus 1. Yeah, like 1.5, 110, something like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you would have to imagine if the Niners roll to the Super Bowl, they're going to be more than a field goal favorite.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think I might do that. Okay.
Just go NFC.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Should just take the Niners to win the Super Bowl, even though it's a terrible lineup.

Speaker 2 I was looking at what that is. 240.
But it's probably better than it would be if they win this game on Monday.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. If they win this game, they might be like 200, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 All right. We're We ready for some picks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm ready. Standings.

Speaker 2 I wish that they were doing more picks.

Speaker 10 We can. So we're locked in at three.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.
And one of them has to be on Monday. Okay.

Speaker 10 So for the 15-minute opening act, I'm at 19.5. Max is at 15.5.
Memes is at 15. So I'm close to safety, but not there yet.
Right now, they're half a game separating Max and memes.

Speaker 10 One hour,

Speaker 10 Big Cat, 19 and a half. PFT, 18.
Hank, 14.5. So So 3.5

Speaker 10 with 7 to go. Not 6.
And Big Cat, you are 5 up on Hank with 7 to go. Okay.

Speaker 1 Who goes first?

Speaker 7 Max.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 6 I will be taking the Ravens plus 5.5 on Monday night.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 10 Like it, Max. That's the 49.

Speaker 2 And we have to pick a Christmas game, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 I see 5. A Christmas Day, yeah.
Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 5. I see 5 is 5.
5, 5.

Speaker 9 Can we not take the same picks?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 9 Even.

Speaker 1 No, there's three games on Christmas.

Speaker 2 You wanted the holiday pick.

Speaker 1 Holiday pick is the holiday.

Speaker 1 Max, Hank wanted the Ravens.

Speaker 6 I'm still fighting over here, too.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, that's fair. Memes.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go Lions minus three.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank. Against the Vikings.

Speaker 9 Hank. I'm going to go 49ers.

Speaker 10 Plus five. Minus five.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll go the over in the Ravens 49ers game, 46.5.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna take the over

Speaker 2 in the Giants Eagles game.

Speaker 1 42.5.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Jake, got two picks.

Speaker 10 I'm going to take

Speaker 10 Patriots, Broncos, under 34.5.

Speaker 9 I'm seeing 34. Same.

Speaker 1 I see 34 and a half.

Speaker 2 I just refreshed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I see 34 and a half.

Speaker 10 And I'm going to take

Speaker 10 Chiefs minus 10 against the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 That is my PFT.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go

Speaker 2 with the Miami Dolphins minus one

Speaker 1 against the Cowboys. Okay.
Yep. I'm going to take Hold Your Nose,

Speaker 1 New England Patriots plus seven. Good pick.

Speaker 10 Against the Broncos.

Speaker 1 I will be taking the Cowboys. Oh,

Speaker 1 shocker. I was thinking about taking the Cowboys.
I was like, nah, I got to leave that for Hank for PFT.

Speaker 1 Huge. Wow.
Your boy. Slide on the line for Hank.

Speaker 1 Hands up, PFT. Hands up.

Speaker 1 That would be huge, Hank.

Speaker 2 Miami has a dolphin.

Speaker 10 The greatest football team. They run the ball from goal to goal like no one's ever seen.

Speaker 1 All right, memes.

Speaker 2 I'm going to take the Jaguars Bucks over 41.

Speaker 10 I see 41 and a half.

Speaker 1 I see 41.

Speaker 1 41 it is.

Speaker 6 I am going to take

Speaker 6 the Cardinals plus four against the Bears.

Speaker 1 That's four and a half.

Speaker 7 Four and a half. Love it.

Speaker 1 A lot of movement today.

Speaker 6 And I am going to take the Packers, Panthers over 37.5.

Speaker 1 Ew.

Speaker 1 Gross. Offensive player of the week, Bryce Young.
Gross.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 10 Holiday pick.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go over 43 Giants Eagles.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that was already picked. I took it.
Yeah. Good pick, though.

Speaker 1 Fuck. Love that pick.
Ent

Speaker 1 over

Speaker 2 40 and a half Raiders, Chiefs.

Speaker 1 You're just going to go to the next over.

Speaker 1 Jumping around.

Speaker 1 Hank, big pick. Huge.

Speaker 9 I'm going to take the

Speaker 9 Patriots Broncos over 34.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Okay.
And a half.

Speaker 2 Let's go 34. Let's see what it is right now.

Speaker 10 Well, I took under 34 and a half.

Speaker 9 I'm taking under 34.

Speaker 1 Over 34. Over 34.

Speaker 1 So we're having different lines.

Speaker 2 Does that work?

Speaker 9 I think so.

Speaker 2 Right now, I just refreshed it. It's over 34.5.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're taking over 34 and a half.

Speaker 2 Do you want to change your pick? You can change your pick.

Speaker 9 Can I change it to over 34?

Speaker 1 You want to buy a half point?

Speaker 2 I'll let you buy a half point. For an extra minute?

Speaker 1 I'll let you buy a half point. Hey.
It's definitely going to be 20 to 14.

Speaker 2 But if you lose, you have to add 10 minutes onto your side.

Speaker 1 I'll do 34 and a half. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 You know what, PFT, you talked me into it. I'm gonna take the Browns minus two and a half.

Speaker 2 Okay, good pick.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna take Falcons, Colts over 44.5. I like that.

Speaker 1 No, Shane Steichen over has a bit of a

Speaker 1 money.

Speaker 2 Also, Heineken. I get to root for my guy.

Speaker 7 Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman and both play.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 2 huge.

Speaker 2 I definitely knew those things. Huge.

Speaker 1 Pittman's playing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, full participants in practice.

Speaker 1 Wow. Built different.

Speaker 10 Just making sure everyone took a Christmas pick. I think we all did.

Speaker 1 Jake finishes off.

Speaker 10 I'm going to take

Speaker 10 Bucs minus two and a half against the Jaguars. Bucks are feeling good right now.

Speaker 1 A lot of good picks.

Speaker 1 Overall, I think. So

Speaker 1 if Hank went 3-0 and PFT went 0-3, what would it be? 2? Half. Half.
Half. Yeah.
Half with 4 to play.

Speaker 1 If he goes 2-1 and PFT goes 1-2?

Speaker 10 four and a half with four. That would be it.

Speaker 1 Wait, he'd be up four and a half.

Speaker 10 Oh, if PFT beats Hank this week, it's over.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 No, but if I go one and four and two and Hank goes, so it's two and a half with four.

Speaker 10 Not dead.

Speaker 2 Not dead. Still, you need the sweep.

Speaker 1 Sweep is everything. Yeah.

Speaker 10 You got Cowboys Dolphins is pretty much everything.

Speaker 2 That is. That's for all the marbles.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Should we do Fantasy Fuck Boys and we get to Jules?

Speaker 4 Let's do it.

Speaker 9 Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

Speaker 1 Yo, yo, what's up? Yo.

Speaker 9 It's Fabrizio, Guatemala.

Speaker 1 Fabrizio,

Speaker 9 I saw him is the holidays.

Speaker 2 I love the fucking holidays.

Speaker 9 Tis the fucking season. You got food, you got family, you got everything, you got football, the three F's in life.
The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Love the holidays.
Shout out to the holidays.

Speaker 9 Tis the season.

Speaker 2 Triple F.

Speaker 1 Hell yes.

Speaker 9 My sit him, Coastal Carolina.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. Since when can a coach go to the beach with some of the dancers on the team?

Speaker 9 What is this?

Speaker 1 Fuck what is this?

Speaker 2 North Korea? He just had some gumas.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's there for the ball game.
They're going to the beach. It's the holidays.
What the fuck? Lighten up.

Speaker 9 My sit-im, redacted. Or my sleepa is redacted.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you definitely want your name reacted.

Speaker 9 I think we're going to see a lot of redacted this week. Con Epstein? I'm saying 50% plus redacted.

Speaker 2 Henry Lockwood was not on that list. Facts.

Speaker 1 Not one of them.

Speaker 2 On the redacted names on the boat list.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Hey, what's up, dickheads?

Speaker 1 It's Anthony Giuliani, Tony G. And Anthony and Pig Ant.

Speaker 2 Yo, what up, my starting is my uncle Rudy. Rudy, he can't pay.
He's got no more money. He's flat broke right now.
So just move on to the next one, right?

Speaker 2 You leeches aren't sucking off this teeth anymore, all right?

Speaker 1 That all went to a security guard's haircut.

Speaker 2 It did. Great haircut.
That guy,

Speaker 2 that's the barber that knows the time of day. I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what for.

Speaker 2 My sit-in is Cameron Diaz saying that you've got to normalize couples having separate bedrooms over home.

Speaker 2 Tell you this much: if Cameron Diaz and me tried to give me the second bedroom, I'd say, you got another thing coming, girl. We're sleeping in the same bed.

Speaker 1 I'll take a second bedroom called the Fartbox. Fart box.

Speaker 2 And then my sleeper this weekend is Tommy D. Tommy D for the Paisons out there.
He just trademarked, he just trademarked the passing Paison. Love this.

Speaker 2 I like that. I like that nickname, Tommy.
Trademark Tommy Cutlets passing Paisan. Tommy is going to go into Philly, and that crowd's going to be rooting so hard for my guy.

Speaker 2 And they're going to say, hey, this guy, he's a good guy. He's a stand-up guy.
He's one of us. We can't root against our guy, the passing Paison.
And that's what I love about the City Philback.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 1 What's up, fuckers? It's Tony Bologna.

Speaker 2 Hey, Mr. Bologna.

Speaker 1 My stardom is cheese and crackers.

Speaker 1 Holiday season. Phillips.
Tommy. Oh, boy.
I go hard in the paint. Pepperoni.
Oh, fuck.

Speaker 2 The pursuit, you got the seven fishes. You got to save save room for.

Speaker 1 Don't even give me a dinner. I'll just, yeah, I'll just sit by those cheese and crackers all fucking day.

Speaker 9 Cartrudery.

Speaker 1 Yeah, cartrudery.

Speaker 1 My sit him is Zion Williamson. The rest of his contract is not fully guaranteed because he's too fat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he sat out a bunch of games last year and they said, guess what? Yoink. Yeah.
Getting this money.

Speaker 1 He had to be under 295. He wasn't under 295.
Real fucked up to say this to him right before Christmas.

Speaker 2 Wait, they actually weighed him in and he was weight clause?

Speaker 1 The unusual contract also states the sum of his weight and pounds and his body fat percentage must be less than 295. That's unfortunate.
Unfortunate.

Speaker 2 That's discrimination. It is.

Speaker 1 My sleeper rivalries. Charles Barkley said he'd root for Afghanistan over Alabama.
That's fair. Yeah.
That's fair. That's a real rivalry.

Speaker 2 Both have the same literacy rate.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, that's iron. That was an insult contract.

Speaker 2 That's tough. Like, how did the NBA media not get their hands on that contract before to say he has to stay under 295? There would have been like a 295-watch Twitter account.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like when Kyler Murray's contract was leaked. It's like you have to watch X number of hours of film a week.
So

Speaker 1 the way it reads is I don't think he's 295 pounds, but so it's the sum of his weight in pounds and his body fat percentage. So he could be like 275 and he's like 30% body fat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that would rock. Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I would do. I would just lose all my muscle weight, get down to 250, 40%.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's unfortunate for Zion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That sucks.

Speaker 2 It sucks. Remember that girl that was like, hey, Zion,

Speaker 2 I want to have your baby? Yeah. That whole thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Could have lost some weight.

Speaker 1 A little more sex. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did he have? He had

Speaker 1 like Pepsi and Coke in his bathroom.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why Tyreek Hill's in such good shape. Yeah.
Have you seen a guy? Not an ounce of fat on him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests. Been a long time.
He's canceled on us like five times in the last year.

Speaker 4 Busy man.

Speaker 1 Busy man.

Speaker 1 But he made the trip to Chicago just for us.

Speaker 4 Literally for you.

Speaker 1 It's Julian Edelman.

Speaker 1 Three-time Super Bowl champion, one-time Super Bowl MVP, future Hall of Famer. Have we, why haven't haven't we had a Julian Edelman Hall of Fame debate recently? I think that died down.

Speaker 2 I think we had it right when you retired because your retirement got hijacked by people being like, Adam Schaefer was like possible future Hall of Famer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then we had to discuss like whether or not you were a Hall of Famer in the moment that was supposed to be about saying goodbye to the game.

Speaker 4 What's the question?

Speaker 2 The question is, are you a future Hall of Famer?

Speaker 1 Are you a Hall of Famer? And follow-up question, will there be a certain amount of times that you don't get in the Hall of Fame that you'll be like, actually, I don't want it?

Speaker 1 Like, if you get voted in like nine years after, you'd be like, that was kind of a pity vote.

Speaker 1 I don't vote. I don't vote.
Okay. We'll say it's a pity vote.
The thing is,

Speaker 2 I think you've got Hall of Fame moments. Like, I can imagine the DVD.

Speaker 1 This is so mean that we're just doing it.

Speaker 2 No, it's good. I'm saying, like, this is good for your case.
Where I close my eyes and I think about Julian Edelman. And after I get past the thirst traps and the shirtless pictures on Father's Day.

Speaker 2 And the PEDs. And the PED.
No, he got his drink spiked.

Speaker 2 I envisioned Julian Edelman making that catch in the Super Bowl against the Falcons.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Can't tell the story of football without Julian Edelman.

Speaker 1 That's a fact.

Speaker 1 It's a fact. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who would give yourself a business?

Speaker 1 This is making you uncomfortable. I'm like, heck.
I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I haven't even thought about it.

Speaker 1 Is it weird when you see that debate happening and you're like, this is kind of weird that everyone's deciding

Speaker 4 gets mad about it. Like, I'm saying something about it.
I'm like,

Speaker 1 whatever. Right.

Speaker 1 People are getting like legitimately arguing.

Speaker 1 You haven't said anything. You're like, I just played ball.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I just played ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So

Speaker 1 you, so we haven't seen you in a while. Yeah.
Want to talk about just current NFL?

Speaker 1 I don't know if you've seen, but there's been reports that a coach might get fired. Yeah, I've seen him.

Speaker 4 I've talked about him.

Speaker 1 So do you think Ron Rivera will get fired? Yeah, I do. Okay.
Yeah, I think he probably.

Speaker 2 Well, I actually disagree with you on that. I think he's going to be able to go out on his own terms after the end of the season.

Speaker 2 It's going to be a mutual parting of ways that is in no way a firing or presented as a firing.

Speaker 2 But I think what Big Cap might have been alluding to, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to interpret what you're saying and misinterpret it, Big Cat.

Speaker 2 There's another coach, won a few Super Bowls with you in New England, and there's a lot of people talking about the possibility that he goes to the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 2 It's a discussion that's happening across the league. Could you see Bill Belichick coaching for any team but the New England Patriots next year?

Speaker 4 I mean, I think it's a reality that's going to, that's going to come.

Speaker 4 You know, I won't believe it until it's done, but

Speaker 4 when the media starts getting on this and starts talking about it, where there's smoke, there's fire, and

Speaker 4 I just hope it's handled correctly,

Speaker 4 you know, like professionals, because,

Speaker 4 you know, Bill was a huge part of the success that we had. I mean, he laid the template.
Mr. Kraft was a huge part of the success that we had.
Tom Brady was like, it's a team sport.

Speaker 4 And, you know, he was, I think he's the best coach that I ever had. I always felt prepared.
I always felt like we had nuggets on teams. And

Speaker 4 we had a competitive advantage because of how we prepared and

Speaker 4 the time that the coaching staff always put into the game. So

Speaker 4 could I see him

Speaker 4 coach for another team? It's going to be weird. But yeah, I mean, this is national.
Everyone gets fired. He used to say that all the time.
Bill would always say that.

Speaker 4 Everyone gets fired in this business. You know, and I remember him talking about the media once, and he was like,

Speaker 4 you know, one of the things were how we were supposed to handle the media, this, that. He goes, look, you know, they're just looking for a story.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 4 there's going to be a day where they throw me under the fucking bus. And it looks like it's

Speaker 1 starting to turn up.

Speaker 1 So Hank's got to go in a second to do this live stream.

Speaker 1 What would you tell Hank to give him? Because he's kind of down.

Speaker 1 He doesn't, literally, all he has left is this lighthouse. That's all he's got.
The lighthouse. The lighthouse is not.
How is the lighthouse?

Speaker 4 I haven't been yet.

Speaker 2 Fake as fuck. It's not, yeah.

Speaker 9 It seems awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But he's like beaten down.

Speaker 1 He doesn't know what this is like.

Speaker 4 He's living the other half.

Speaker 9 It's the end of an era. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's.

Speaker 4 What do I say to Hank? I mean,

Speaker 4 the Celtics look good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That's what he's been doing. That's a great answer.

Speaker 4 You know, I mean, there's the Bruins are doing pretty good, aren't they? Are they doing good?

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's a huge puckhead.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 yeah, it's going to be tough probably for a little while. This is, you know, when the Empire falls,

Speaker 4 it takes some time to rebuild.

Speaker 2 It's kind of a somber transition because he's been such a big part of that entire area and just a part of football for so long.

Speaker 1 It's going to be weird. Oh.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 1 What were you thought we were talking about?

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 9 I thought PFT was talking about me, but.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hank, too.

Speaker 2 Hank was a big part. Like, Bronck told us what a big impact Hank had on winning the Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 Amongst the guys you played with, there have been a couple names that have been maybe linked to being the next head coach of the Patriots.

Speaker 2 We don't talk about another man's job, so we're not going to say that Belichick has been fired or anything.

Speaker 2 But I'm saying, hypothetically, in a scenario where you had a new head coach next year, between, let's just say, let's say Mayo and let's say

Speaker 2 Vrabes,

Speaker 2 who would you want taking over for Belichick?

Speaker 1 Ooh, that's tough.

Speaker 4 I'm a fan of both. I think Vrabel is an unbelievable head coach.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 4 it seems like

Speaker 4 his team always squeaks away with wins they're not supposed to have. I mean, they've been number one seeds.

Speaker 4 They've built something in Tennessee that's been pretty competitive for the last, what, eight years? How long has he been there? Six, seven years, seven. Wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 Eight years.

Speaker 4 You know, Gerard, he's one of the smartest football players I played with. You know, he was the guy that was helping me get lined up when I was playing DB.
I'd look at him.

Speaker 1 He's cover fucking five. Get over there.

Speaker 4 You know, so Gerard knows football.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 he hasn't coached a head coach. He hasn't had a head coaching role yet.
So if it was, if I were to go that route of hiring a coach,

Speaker 4 you know, with the pick that they're probably going to have, I would want to probably have an offensive-minded guy. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, that's kind of what the league's going to.

Speaker 2 Matt Patricia.

Speaker 1 Bring him back. Yeah.
Maybe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe Matt matty p do you think play a hypothetical out craft walks into belich's office after the season he's like look i think time's come we're gonna part ways belichek says what if i bring back ernie adams and dante scarneckia and kraft's like shit the boys are back we got to do this Does he have that card in his in his back pocket?

Speaker 4 I don't think so. I think they're out.
Dante's over in,

Speaker 4 where did he used to go? Somewhere in Rhode Island. Island, Eric Gansett, and he swims laps right now with the whales.

Speaker 4 I'm not joking. He's like 85 years old.
The guy would swim every morning. He's a badass.
I don't think he's come out of retirement.

Speaker 4 And Ernie, I have no clue where he is.

Speaker 1 That's probably for the badass.

Speaker 4 Yeah. He's probably still.

Speaker 1 He's off the grid. Off the grid.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's like Jason Bourne.

Speaker 1 He probably is still keeping notes, though. Wouldn't you think?

Speaker 1 Definitely. Yeah.
Like he never

Speaker 1 stops.

Speaker 4 I honestly wonder if Bill ever calls those guys and asks, or is he just in

Speaker 4 the program of I'm with the guys that I'm in right now.

Speaker 4 I remember Dante when we didn't have him, we had Googe, Gutierre, or the offensive line coach.

Speaker 4 I remember I would see Dante. He would come in and he would consult,

Speaker 4 I think, do some of those kind of roles or work a guy out or go look at a guy.

Speaker 4 you know for Bill.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I don't think that card is going to be able to be pulled.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I like the fact that Dante's just out swimming with whales. He just needs to be around his big dudes all the time.

Speaker 2 I just like being around big things.

Speaker 1 He does, dude.

Speaker 4 He's probably yelling at those whales.

Speaker 1 Get formation. Hit low.
Leverage.

Speaker 1 Put your fucking hand. Like, he would yell.

Speaker 4 And that's why he was such a good coach. Because you would see

Speaker 4 in film,

Speaker 4 you know, in the film room,

Speaker 4 sometimes a coach will just like yell at you, like, we got to get better. Like, like, Dante would break down the fundamental of what you have to do.
Like, it'd be really mean how he would say it.

Speaker 1 Like, you fat fuck, put your right foot over here, drop your ass, put it on your hand.

Speaker 4 Like, he'd give the actual technique, and that's what a good coach is. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I love the guys behind the guy, too, in football. Because it's like

Speaker 1 the Georgia strength and conditioning coach, Scott Sinclair. He was with Sabin at Bama for all those wins.
And then he goes to Georgia and they win two national championships.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, this guy, he's got the secret sauce. Like, he's the guy behind the guy.
He's the one who's with the players all through the offseason.

Speaker 1 Like, the strength and conditioning coach is the most important coach, I believe, in college football, like each program, because he's with them all the time.

Speaker 1 He's making, you know, little skinny kids, 18-year-olds into men. And it's like the guy behind the guy that doesn't get all the shine.
Sometimes those guys are like, what makes it all tick.

Speaker 4 Without a doubt. I mean,

Speaker 4 it's always funny to see the dynamic of the head coach with the strength coach because the strength coach is kind of like

Speaker 1 he's the ears, right?

Speaker 4 He's the ears, but he's also, you know, the head coach to go up to the strength coach and be like, you know, how we running today?

Speaker 4 How, you know, like, he's like checking the cars, and you know, he's the mechanic.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, got a couple hamstrings, coach, but we'll get them right in the weight room, you know, like shit like that.

Speaker 4 And it is, I think, the strength coach is more important in college because you're influencing the younger kids.

Speaker 4 When you get to the pros,

Speaker 4 you would think that you'd have that relationship with the strength coach, but you don't.

Speaker 1 Because you guys aren't lifting heavy and stuff, right?

Speaker 4 You do in the offseason, but you don't want to get hurt in the weight room.

Speaker 4 It's more specialized to your position by the time you get to the National Football League where you may even hire a third-party

Speaker 4 trainer to work on speed or you work on change of direction. There's all these guys with

Speaker 4 their techniques and stuff. There's always an LA guy or a fucking Florida guy or a Houston guy where

Speaker 4 the bameritos of the world where you go and run with him and he makes you know so it's just different once you get when it becomes a job. So

Speaker 1 I want to talk about the whole league right now. Maybe

Speaker 1 get all your thoughts because you're on TV all the time. Also Games with Names is back.
Back.

Speaker 1 Great podcast. We've both been on it.
Awesome. Like, you're going viral, I feel like, every other week right now.
With the MJ story, telling him that was that was fun.

Speaker 1 So MJ told you he was going to bet on you before the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 He said, I got a lot of money on you guys. Don't fuck it up.

Speaker 1 That had to be the most intimidating thing ever.

Speaker 4 So intimidated, but I loved him even more after.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like,

Speaker 4 he put his alpha on me.

Speaker 1 Did you think during that Super Bowl, like at any point, like

Speaker 1 break of the game, like shit,

Speaker 4 completely forgot about it? You put the blinders on, but yeah, that was, that was pretty cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So one of the big stories right now

Speaker 1 is Kansas City wide receiver room.

Speaker 1 So what do you think is going on in that wide receiver room? Like, if I were in that wide receiver room, I'd just basically just be keep telling Mahomes, like, I'll catch the next one. Don't worry.

Speaker 1 Just keep throwing it to me. But, like, the pressure that those guys have on them.
Did you ever have a moment like that where your room is not doing everything?

Speaker 1 Like, maybe there's a bunch of drop balls in a game and you're sitting there and you're like, Tom was giving us like the throws. We just weren't making the plays.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I've been in rooms like that.

Speaker 4 You know, where we're,

Speaker 4 you're not holding your end of the bargain up, you know, as you know, as the team goes.

Speaker 4 And that comes down strictly to confidence. And it is hard for young guys like in Kansas City right now.
These guys are young guys, a young group.

Speaker 4 And that beast of Kansas City, I mean, they're like the new Patriots. They're like the new Pats.
You know what I mean? You have

Speaker 4 the superhero quarterback. You got a great coach.
You guys have a system that's in place. You got a tight end that, you know, demands all the eyes.

Speaker 4 So everyone's looking at the receiver and saying, well, it's going to rely on you. So it's tough.
I'm sure they're hearing some of the noise about it.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 4 it's easy to nowadays with the social and everything.

Speaker 4 But it ultimately comes down to just

Speaker 4 practice and preparation. Like whenever I would go into like, I had a couple of drops or something, I would always just, I'd hit, you know, you go back to the fundamentals.

Speaker 4 You have to do extra ball drills.

Speaker 4 You have to, you know, you take practice like the mini games, you know, just because the more pressure you put yourself through in practice, you know, it makes the game easier when that pressure comes on the game.

Speaker 4 So, uh, you know, there's going to have to be some leadership that comes out of that room. You know, the Rashi Rice kid, he's had some production these last few weeks.

Speaker 4 And I guarantee you, you know, Patrick Mahomes is the type of guy that's going up to him and Watson and saying, hey, guys, like, I know there's been a couple drops, but let's build off of the successes, those little successes that you've had, you know, and that's what they have to do.

Speaker 4 Just try to stack good days together in practice, and it'll translate in the games. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Are drops contagious?

Speaker 1 They are.

Speaker 2 They are. How so? Because I've heard people say it, and it always sounds funny when somebody on TV is like, drops are contagious, you know?

Speaker 2 But is it like a mental thing where one wide receiver, he drops a couple easy catches, and then that just adds the pressure on the other guys where they're like, fuck, that guy's dropping it.

Speaker 2 I really better make sure that I catch mine. And that added pressure makes them more likely to drop a ball?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would say probably. But the good leaders and the great quarterbacks,

Speaker 4 they don't yell at you for drops. They yell at you for stupid shit like

Speaker 4 not knowing a formation or a pre-snap penalty or

Speaker 4 a technique in a route. That's when they get mad.
They understand drops are going to happen.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 as a quarterback, you're on that level where you have to play

Speaker 4 and figure out each guy in your rooms

Speaker 4 what kind of coaching or what kind of love do they need. Do they need tough love? Do they need

Speaker 4 supportive love?

Speaker 4 How are you going to make these guys get the best out of themselves? So I still think they're figuring that out in Kansas City. But when you have

Speaker 4 the defense that they have right now and Patrick Mahomes, you're still going to have a shot. I don't think they're the favorite.

Speaker 4 I think Baltimore is real tough right now with what they have going over there.

Speaker 4 But I wouldn't be surprised if they go. I mean, they're probably going to win their last three games.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And that's just going to get them more confident. You know, and that's what it's really about.
These next three weeks are going to be, you know, a pivotal part of the season because

Speaker 4 you're starting to get your grind going.

Speaker 4 I mean, I remember back in 2018 when we lost to the Steelers, we had two losses in a row in like close to December, late November, and like that's we were we were hitting the panic button, right?

Speaker 4 Like, we got to get this shit going right now because you know, you got to get in those runs, and that's where your confidence builds, and you get excited for work because there's, there's a, there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 4 The season's right there, you know what I mean? You know, that those weeks when you're like six to

Speaker 4 probably twelve, your body doesn't feel good the lust of the season starting is not there no more guys are banged up more weather weather's starting to get a little colder it gets hard and it becomes the grind this time of the year is when you know you start you start getting those cream teams yeah have you ever have you ever had to react from losing a must-win game

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 that Steelers game. We felt like that was a must-win game because we dropped one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then we lost that one.

Speaker 4 you know and then we went on our roll but you know it it the sense of urgency in the building you know after those kind of losses you know when with the teams that i were i was on you know the urgency went up so the schedule might actually work out well for the chiefs where it's like they get three easier opponents maybe they use those weeks to get right and then in the playoffs they're like we don't have the drops anymore receivers are fine i mean it could i mean it comes down to making the plays uh

Speaker 4 you know i tell you right now when you get to the playoffs, there's always the saying the coaches say we ain't saving nothing.

Speaker 4 So that's when you get the plays and the scheme comes out even more, more magnified, something that you've been working on all year.

Speaker 4 So, you know, I have trust that they're going to be able to figure out ways to get those guys the balls,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 the way they need to get it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Can the 49ers be beat?

Speaker 4 Yeah, but it's going to be tough.

Speaker 1 How do you beat them? Like, they look so much better than everyone else.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 you have to run the ball against them. The number of carries, and you can't lose on first down.

Speaker 4 You do not want to get on a hole against that defensive line that only has to rush four, and then you can get all that crazy scheme of the defense behind. And they fly.
They're physical.

Speaker 4 They all swarm to the ball. They play hard.

Speaker 4 It's tough, but

Speaker 4 whenever we were playing against the best defensive lines, the Bond Miller D-lines and shit like that, that, we always had to run the ball because those guys don't like guys coming at them.

Speaker 4 They want the pass set. So

Speaker 4 they want to go and do all their fucking moves that they practice in the hallways when they're

Speaker 4 going to the cafeteria. You always see the defensive ends doing a fucking shake-shake this.

Speaker 4 It's weird. Like Ninkovich and Chan Jones used to do that.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 4 I just got a loss of thought. Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. With the Niners, it's interesting.
I was going to say the way way to beat them, just injure the quarterback.

Speaker 2 And then the backup quarterback, too. Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 you got to play tough.

Speaker 4 You got to play.

Speaker 4 You got to keep that offense off the field. Yeah.
You know, and that's what the running game does as well. And you have to execute in the red area and on third down, which that's where they're good.

Speaker 1 So we had Jeff Saturday on last week, and something that's very interesting to me looking at like the NFL right now, specifically in December, there's teams that have had good seasons, but they have a glaring weakness.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like the Eagles' defense or the Lions defense.
And we asked them, like, can you correct this?

Speaker 1 Do you remember a time when it was like, we're not that good, but something scheme-wise or how we practice was able to fix that?

Speaker 1 Because it does feel like every year there's a team that we kind of write off and they can make a deep run because they fix something that, you know, whether it be defense or offense, that they look totally different come January.

Speaker 4 I honestly think it's not just one thing that you fix. It comes down to, you know, guys working together to execute a play.
And when you get guys that don't worry about the big holes that

Speaker 4 you have or whatever, and get to like what we have to do to win, if you can get everyone to buy into that and you guys can have good weeks of preparation, and when practice looks, there's not a ball on the ground, there's not a fucking split double team.

Speaker 4 Like when all those little things start getting corrected in practice, that's when you go on your runs. You know, that's when the confidence is rolling.

Speaker 4 It sounds stupid, but everything from the success that I had or our teams had, you always saw it in that week of practice.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Have you ever had like a great week of practice and you're feeling really good and then you go to the game, get your teeth kicked in?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're like, what happened there?

Speaker 4 yeah um

Speaker 4 i what one year against uh

Speaker 4 baltimore

Speaker 4 i had like and that it was when we just traded for like dion branch

Speaker 4 and i and we we traded randy so i i was sitting there like man i'm gonna get hella more reps hell yeah had a great week of practice and i ended up having like i got knocked out of the game by ray

Speaker 4 and i was like fuck

Speaker 4 that was like the only one time but other than that, anytime I had like a really solid week of practice, it translated? It always translated.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So you think the Ravens out of the AFC.
You think they're the best team. I'm going to throw another team at you.
Team nobody wants to play right now. You know who that team is? Let's hear it.

Speaker 2 I think it's the Bills. Yeah.
I think nobody would want to play the Bills right now.

Speaker 4 I got to see this week from the Bills. Yeah.
Because

Speaker 4 that was something they've never done. They've never relied on the run game.
And that's something that I've always said that they should incorporate.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen under center.

Speaker 4 You know, and

Speaker 4 I got to see this week with the Bills because

Speaker 4 the offense or their defense

Speaker 4 when playing from behind

Speaker 4 doesn't play the same from how if they're playing from ahead. Yeah.
You know, that's when they can start using their schemes and McDermott can do all this stuff on defense.

Speaker 4 You know, they've kind of struggled on the defensive line position, not including last week. Last week, Oliver and Vaughn was effective.
I think Vaughn's going to continue to get better with his knee.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's an older guy, and he's still recovering. And with that injury, which I've had, you get better as the year goes on because you need that load.

Speaker 4 So I expect him to get better, and he's a veteran. He'll probably start kicking it up.
Yeah, that's a tough team to play.

Speaker 4 But I got to see this week how they're going to, are they just going to try to go back to what they were? Because

Speaker 4 the sudden jolt of a really good game, like they haven't been like that all year.

Speaker 4 They've been so inconsistent.

Speaker 1 To a throw, too. Yeah, like the Chiefs and the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 You know, so like it's, I want to see some consistency because it's usually the teams that are consistent, consistently doing well in big games are the teams that go on runs.

Speaker 1 The one thing I loved, Joe Brady had a press conference, I think it was today, where he was like, our plan wasn't to run the ball like that. It just worked.

Speaker 1 And then we're like, why would we go away from that?

Speaker 4 which redo team or a do over team that's what coach used to say yeah but that's that's like the best those are the best offensive coordinators i would assume that like yeah they might have a plan but if something's working why would you you don't have to win pretty no you got to feel the the flow of the game right you have you know we were never a scripted team that like a lot of the west coast teams they have a 15 play script and they'll go through that 15 play script and then they'll do adjustments off that script you know we had we had like kind of a a

Speaker 4 hybrid of that where we had a script of plays that we wanted to get in the first quarter that had plans to see how they were playing it to be able to counter it. Like a flowchart.

Speaker 1 If then this play works, then exactly.

Speaker 1 There's full flow.

Speaker 4 I mean, they have the category.

Speaker 4 The play sheet is one of the most incredible things to see from an offensive coordinator how they design their play sheet. They're got to have it plays.

Speaker 4 They're fucking third down windows that are broken up in third to two, two to five, you know, short yard. Like it, they have it all broken down.
When you look at those things, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 So, you know, I think,

Speaker 4 yeah, you, you got to feel the flow of the game.

Speaker 1 If something's working, yeah, because like you spam it, that that Chiefs championship game that you were in. Yeah.
I feel like you spam that play of you over the middle.

Speaker 1 It felt like five times in a row.

Speaker 4 And, you know, a couple of those run gap plays that we were running. Yeah, we felt we had, you know, good matchups on a lot of those plays.

Speaker 4 And, you know, when it's nut cut in time and it's, you know, the playoffs, you got to go to the plays that you, you executed the best throughout the year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you're spamming a play like that, do you ever, like, does the defense ever say like, yo, we know this is coming? Yeah. And, but they still couldn't stop it? Sometimes.

Speaker 1 That's got to feel like a superpower. No.

Speaker 4 It doesn't feel like a superpower. But,

Speaker 4 you know, it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it was a superpower.

Speaker 4 I was thinking about it, you know, like,

Speaker 4 because I used to run a lot of those crossers, and I would run over to the thief or robber, which is the other safety that comes down. So they funnel you into him.
So it's a form of doubling.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean? Where this guy will not get beat on the outside, and this guy will

Speaker 4 catch you on the inside. So that's a way of using someone.
And like, when you get on a great page with the quarterback, there's one thing that can never be covered. The perfect throw.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You can have a guy in the perfect position. You can have everything.
But if there's a perfect throw and you make the catch, I mean, it's uncoverable.

Speaker 1 That's the Dan Marino. Wasn't that his quote? Was it? There's no defense for the perfect pass.

Speaker 4 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was.

Speaker 2 What about in the NFC? There's a team I'm concerned about. I've got rising levels of concernment with this organization.
The Philadelphia Eagles. Would you be concerned? I am.

Speaker 2 You're concerned? I would be concerned.

Speaker 4 I'm pressing the urgency button.

Speaker 4 We need to press that.

Speaker 4 You know, they've been struggling with an identity all year on offense, the defense.

Speaker 4 You know, they're designed to get after the quarterback because that's where a lot of their money's at and their draft capital.

Speaker 4 And they really haven't been getting after the quarterback, and they haven't been able to stop the run.

Speaker 4 And, you know, we've all seen what the secondary has been doing.

Speaker 4 So you're getting to the point where you have to be concerned. You know, you're going to start playing the best teams in the league.
Like, when you go to playoffs, it turns like a flip, like a switch.

Speaker 4 Like everyone's playing like 15 to 20% harder. There's nothing else that you keep in the gas tank.
You did your Belichick voice there.

Speaker 1 I liked it.

Speaker 4 Did I? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Flip the switch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everyone's playing a little 15 to 20% harder. That was good.
You slipped it. It was like playoff mode just went in your brain.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, it's.

Speaker 4 I would definitely be concerned. I mean, they're turning the ball over.

Speaker 4 You don't want that. You don't want to play bad football in December.

Speaker 2 Would you be concerned or would you say season's over?

Speaker 4 I wouldn't say season's over.

Speaker 1 That's smart. Yeah, but losing a must-win.

Speaker 4 We'll see how they could still be, what, 14-3, or what are they?

Speaker 1 They're four losses. Four than 13-4?

Speaker 4 13-4. I mean,

Speaker 4 they very, very, very easily could be 13-4.

Speaker 1 Speaking of turnovers, how much did it suck when you turned the ball over going back to the side? Oh, my God. It was a good thing.

Speaker 1 Would you be like putting your head down, hoping that no one says anything, knowing that someone's going to come ream you out?

Speaker 4 If you fumbled when I was on the Patriots,

Speaker 4 you were they had a term you're in the doghouse yeah we love doghouses yeah the my receiver coach chad o'shea he would always say yeah you're you're in the you know i remember i fumbled on a punt return against the giants in like 11 or something

Speaker 4 and uh

Speaker 4 he goes yeah you're in the doghouse with the big guy

Speaker 1 i'm sitting there

Speaker 4 and I'm like, oh, fuck. He's like, yeah, you better stack some good practices.

Speaker 2 He had quite a doghouse.

Speaker 4 So a couple good practice goal, you know, and I'm like, and I go check in with O'Shea. I'm like, yo, am I still in the doghouse? He goes, you got a pot coming out, but you're still in it.

Speaker 1 He used to say that shit. So the receivers coach would be like almost the good cop, like, listen, we're trying, I'm trying everything with the big guy, but there's nothing I can do.

Speaker 1 You're in the doghouse. Well, you know,

Speaker 4 a good position coach is a guy that...

Speaker 4 He's kind of like a psychologist. Yeah.
You know, they have to be able to read the room and get the points that the head coach is drilling into him to, you know, a group of eight guys.

Speaker 4 You know, so, and every guy's different. So he has to put that psychologist cap on, and you got to play and pull certain strings with certain guys.

Speaker 4 You know, and I was that kind of, I liked tough love, and I was terrified of Bill, and he knew that.

Speaker 4 And so he would play that game with me, you know, or he would say it to other receivers, like, yo, you motherfuckers, the big guys,

Speaker 4 you guys need to start doing some shit. Or, you know, we're going to, I remember he used to say, or you're going to get that

Speaker 4 call window or aisle.

Speaker 4 You know, give me your playbook.

Speaker 2 So that's what you responded to was like the fear of getting cut.

Speaker 4 Yeah, when I was younger. And then once it changes, everyone has a different stress in the locker room.
Okay. You know, when I was a

Speaker 4 special team guy and a guy trying to make a role and learn the position, I had to make myself, you know, versatile and I had to be good at a lot of little things. I wasn't great at one thing yet.

Speaker 4 You know, so

Speaker 4 by the time you get to,

Speaker 4 you know, I establish a role, then you have a different kind of stress where

Speaker 4 you don't want to let your team down.

Speaker 4 You see another guy working his ass off right next to you, blocking.

Speaker 4 You see the quarterback making the right read, getting the right play call in. Everyone's doing their job.
You didn't want to be the guy that didn't do his job. And so you feel disappointed.

Speaker 4 So, like, anytime you came off the field after, you know, you fumbled or you had a drop or something, you know, it hurts you. You know, you get sad.
Yeah. Because

Speaker 4 you let the boys down.

Speaker 1 Who's the AFC team? We can't figure it out. Baltimore?

Speaker 4 I like Baltimore because the only reason I like that, I like them. Their defense is, you know,

Speaker 4 their defense is fast, sideline to sideline. They always seem to get better and better each year.
It doesn't matter what Ravens team. In December, December, their defense is always getting dialed up.

Speaker 4 On offense, Zay Flowers, I think he's a really good little football player, man.

Speaker 4 He's had some really good production. Isaiah likely, I liked him two years ago in the preseason, and I'm a huge Mark Andrews fan.

Speaker 4 I think that dude's a man-child, and that was a thing that concerned me with them. But, you know, Lamar Jackson's playing, when he plays in control and decisive and doesn't take the crazy risks,

Speaker 4 You know, he's unstoppable and he gives the best matchup against

Speaker 1 any NFC team.

Speaker 4 You know, if you think about that's what I think who could challenge the 49ers? Because when you have an X Fact, like Lamar Jackson is just a game plan killer.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 You know, he can go take a game over. You know, and especially if he's, you know, Odell,

Speaker 4 when the lights are bright, you know, Odell's going to come out and he's going to start balling. And he already started to see it churn with him.
He's getting better and better.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's coming off a knee. He's an older guy.
So I expect him to get better.

Speaker 4 I think they're a scary football team, and on special teams with John Harbaugh.

Speaker 4 They take importance in all three phases of their game. And that's scary, you know, because you can win a game on special teams just like they did two weeks ago on the, you know, the punt return.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You know what I mean? That'll win you games.
And when you have that, I mean, I think it's scary. And they're

Speaker 4 playing consistent football right now.

Speaker 1 It is crazy. Special teams, we like ignore it, and then it always feels like playoffs.
That's when it shows up.

Speaker 1 Like teams that have spotty special teams, even if it's like you know, their net punt yards or just like where they're letting teams start from. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden you get to January, like, oh, that's actually really important.

Speaker 4 Very, I mean, if you look at like all the Super Bowl winners, you can see their top categories. You know,

Speaker 4 you'll notice that special teams are always in the top eight. You know, like, that's a big part of the game.

Speaker 4 You know, I know it's getting dwindled out with a lot of the rulemaking right now, but I remember in my career,

Speaker 4 we would win like

Speaker 4 two games a year on special teams. Yeah.
You know, whether when we came here to Chicago and CP fucking took one, we couldn't get anything established. It was a grind game.

Speaker 4 They had a pretty good defense. We weren't getting anything going on offense.

Speaker 4 You know, and we busted that. Our defense played well, and, you know, and we won the game because of that.
You know, that can win you games. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What about your old nemesis, Joe Flacco and the browns i know i like do you like watching joe are you at the i do i mean we came in the same year so you be you you

Speaker 4 you know it he was an old nemesis but uh

Speaker 4 you know i i'm excited for him and how he's doing you know because it it didn't look great when he was in new york you know he

Speaker 4 yeah he i and i talked to chad he's over there chad o'shea with um the browns and they're saying they said i mean he can still throw it yeah it gives him he gives him opportunity and and it's

Speaker 4 it's really interesting. That team reminds you of the Baltimore team that he won a Super Bowl on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, all Flacco's got to do is really take care of the ball, hit a couple of those deep balls,

Speaker 4 which he loves throwing. You know, he's had some mistakes, but you expect that for a guy who just came off the couch, you know, and he's played some really good football, even with those mistakes.

Speaker 2 Well, if he can do what he did when he won a Super Bowl and not have any interceptions at all in the playoffs,

Speaker 2 I could see Cleveland winning a Super Bowl if he doesn't throw a single interception.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, I think it's going to be a tough road. It'll be a tough road, but

Speaker 4 they're going to be a strong team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Has there been, we asked Gronk this. Has Brady texted you at all being like, I'm thinking about coming back? No.

Speaker 1 He would text you, right? I don't think so. You don't think so? I'm talking about the marketing.
Did they get the gang?

Speaker 2 You're in the media too much? You're too far out?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I'm out now. Damn.
Has anyone gotten mad at you for a take you've had in the media that you used to play with? Mac Jones got mad at me.

Speaker 1 Oh, really what'd he say yeah i don't know he texts me he was like what the dude he go nah he texts me like what's up how are you bro

Speaker 1 that's perfect and you knew you said something it was literally like right after the thing i said it

Speaker 4 I was like, I'm good, man. I'm taking my daughter to school right now.
How are you? Oh,

Speaker 1 use the daughter shield. Oh, yeah.
Father of what? Humanize yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I put food on the plate for my family right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How are you? Yeah, How you doing? Got to get a takeoff. Actually, no, I'm great, man.

Speaker 4 Weather's great in L.A. right now.

Speaker 7 Just came off a crazy law.

Speaker 1 That was a couple years ago.

Speaker 4 Brady will call, he calls me a little media darling now or something.

Speaker 2 I like that. Gronk also said that occasionally Brady would text him with just highlights of the two of them playing.
Does he ever do that? Like, hey, remember how awesome this was?

Speaker 4 He hasn't texted me highlights, but he'll text

Speaker 4 certain plays that we had if he saw a game. Because now that you're retired, we've never watched the games on TV.

Speaker 2 He does the this could be us, but you playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, remember that? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Remember when we used to do that together?

Speaker 1 It's more of a remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Not a this could be us.

Speaker 1 So how's everything going? You are a media darling. Games with names back.
Who's the dream guest on that? Uh,

Speaker 4 well, we already had you two, so

Speaker 4 check those dreams off.

Speaker 2 Good pandering. I like that.

Speaker 1 Wait, is this the first time you've been on since you weren't on the Mount Rushmore? Was he not on the Mount Rushmore? I don't know.

Speaker 2 No, we voted for him. Yes, we voted.
Yeah, we voted for you. Hank did.

Speaker 2 Hank did not. That was hurtful.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fucking Hank.

Speaker 1 But who's the dream guest?

Speaker 1 It's an awesome podcast. Like, it's geez.

Speaker 1 I would love to get Jordan on or Bill. Oh.
You know, I think Bill would be fun.

Speaker 1 You and Bill in like a big game.

Speaker 4 I think Bill would be. I would just love to see him because I know the fucking smile he gives when he does certain.

Speaker 1 Like, I would love to.

Speaker 4 I've never done the an impression in front of him.

Speaker 4 So, I would, I would start it, like, hey, Bill, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 I want to see how he reacts. He probably, like, all right,

Speaker 1 shit. I don't think

Speaker 2 do you think he would want to do like the 28 to 3 game, or do you think that Bill would want to dive like way back to some like week seven Cleveland Browns game where he remembers like the cool shit that he might go back to like a Baltimore Colt game when he was a special team coordinator.

Speaker 4 Like that dude, if it's the further in the weeds, he loves.

Speaker 2 Yeah, or what was the game where he

Speaker 4 like

Speaker 2 made time disappear? Was that against the Jets? Yeah. He was on the sidelines.

Speaker 1 And Rabel did it back to him.

Speaker 2 But that was a different one. There were two times.
Yeah, one did it first, and then Vrabel

Speaker 1 came to us in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but the first time you did it, I think, was against the Jets. It was.

Speaker 1 And the penalty?

Speaker 2 And yeah, you guys took two consecutive penalties, and they showed Bill on the sidelines, and he just had this shit-eating grin that was just going across his face.

Speaker 2 And I think Adam Gace was your coach who was just like trapped in a vortex. Like, what the fuck is happening to me right now? That was awesome.

Speaker 4 That was no, I don't know if he would do that. He loves the Giants games, he would love talking about a Giants game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or an old, I don't know. I, I, I,

Speaker 4 I would say, whatever game he would want.

Speaker 1 Where, where do you think you rank in Bill Belichick's favorites?

Speaker 1 Um, who and is there a clear favorite? Oh, yeah, LT. LT.
L T's number one. He loved L T.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 He loved defensive guys. Yeah.
Like we used to call Devin Devin Belichick.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, he loved Mayo. He was like a little, like, Gerard Belichick.

Speaker 4 Love defensive guys. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Because he should, you should.

Speaker 4 He's got a good poker face, bro. You shouldn't.

Speaker 4 A lot of people don't know what he's really thinking.

Speaker 1 If you ever got him on games with names, you should ask him. Like, give me your top 10.
Because I feel like you should be on there.

Speaker 4 Just like like your story scrappy on like you're the perfect belichek patriot of like guy that no one wanted to draft like switching positions utility then becomes an incredible wide receiver you know i i think he respects my game i think he respects me uh which is the ultimate you know because he's seen a lot of players you know and you know i i don't know i i don't know exactly what he said but he he released a statement when i retired which you know that shit brought tears to to me.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 you know, coach was like, dad.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Dad's saying, I love you.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 It was like the first time he said, I love you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
First time I've been working hard my entire career just to hear that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Made it all worthwhile.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's how it felt anytime he gave you a compliment.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Speaking of, how's Frank doing?

Speaker 4 Frank's the man.

Speaker 1 Frank is still working the auto body shop.

Speaker 4 Auto motor repair, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's still just grinding every day.
Grinding.

Speaker 4 He's all worked up about this bullshit, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Does he call into Tom Corran?

Speaker 1 He does?

Speaker 4 Him and Tom talk.

Speaker 1 And so he's like, what the fuck's going on? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And my dad still watches like...

Speaker 4 So we have direct TV at my parents' house. And so he has all the Boston channels and he still watches like the Boston media stuff.

Speaker 1 Just to see if they say your name?

Speaker 4 Nah, just to see. Like, he still loves the team.
He loves Belichick. Yeah.
He loves Brady.

Speaker 4 know he so he's he's been all worked up over this whole thing like i they can't do this

Speaker 1 how have you tried to get him to take some time off like dad you've yeah bro like

Speaker 4 so i had i had my parents down for thanksgiving

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 i was like pop can you can you come you know tuesday you know

Speaker 4 nah i gotta come wednesday i gotta close the shop up you know

Speaker 4 you know we're getting out of the the year, man. And getting into the year, it's tough.

Speaker 4 So he's got to close all the books.

Speaker 4 We'll get him on a vacation here soon, hopefully.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Where would he want to go on a vacation?

Speaker 4 I think he said he wanted... He's never been out of the country.
He's never been to Europe.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 4 He wants to go to Greece.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah,

Speaker 4 he wants to see the island stuff, but he also wants to see the old history, you know, of Athens and shit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Parthenon.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know. Get him there.

Speaker 1 I got to. Yeah.

Speaker 4 A good family trip.

Speaker 2 There was a big story in the news this week made some waves it was richard menenhal oh richard minenhall yeah doing the hypothetical all-black versus all-white pro bowl i drafted you on to the uh all-white team as a defensive back because our ranks are so thin right now that i feel who's the receivers uh receivers with cooper

Speaker 1 and uh thelen yeah and maybe braxton we got stacked tight ends you got tight endos and thielen over me well no no you're currently current it's current

Speaker 2 but our ranks were so thin at DB that I was like, I think we have to call up Julian Edelman and see if he had to come back.

Speaker 1 You'd be struggling.

Speaker 2 Could you guard Tyreek Hill?

Speaker 4 Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 How many yards,

Speaker 2 if you were matched up against him for four quarters, let's say it was a close game, how many yards do you think he put on you?

Speaker 4 He put a lot. But I tell you right now, I'd hold him every goddamn play.

Speaker 1 I'd hold him at

Speaker 1 five yards

Speaker 1 and I'm holding.

Speaker 4 That's what I would do to Woker when I'd cover him in practice. He'd get so fucking mad.

Speaker 1 Just hold him. You just hold him.
Just hold him.

Speaker 4 Make it so bad that they can't throw it to him.

Speaker 2 I actually think the defensive back might be the hardest position to play them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you're doing everything backwards.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You're doing everything in a back pedal.

Speaker 2 Yeah, every rule change that's been put into place. Every advantage is on the offense.
They know where they're going. But you don't know where they're going.

Speaker 4 What's your take on this whole the kid who got suspended?

Speaker 1 Which one?

Speaker 4 For the hit.

Speaker 1 Oh. The Colts.

Speaker 1 I think it's bullshit. It looked

Speaker 2 on that play.

Speaker 4 It looked like anything with slow motion looks bad.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's not a lot. We see with hockey, I think, more than we talk about with football, where you slow down the replay, and you're like, look how malicious this hit was.

Speaker 2 It was the shoulder to the head. And if things are happening at like warp speed in real time, you can't adjust your body that quickly.
In that case, he was diving forward almost into the pass.

Speaker 2 The defensive back was going to. The defensive back knows you're not allowed to hit a guy high.
So your target as a defensive player is going to be right around that midsection area.

Speaker 2 And that's where his head was going towards. I think it's just way easier to say with the benefit of slow-mo, like, that's a dirty play.

Speaker 1 And it's also like

Speaker 1 for some reason, offense, and you know, there are times when it's clear that the defensive player is targeting, but offensive players don't get any criticism in terms of like, that was a reckless play on his side, too.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like both sides, it was an unfortunate hit, but I just think indefinitely, I think it should have been a penalty in the moment, but suspending is crazy.

Speaker 4 Does he have a record?

Speaker 1 He must.

Speaker 1 He might. Does he have some priors? Yeah, he must.

Speaker 2 The guy from Denver definitely does.

Speaker 1 That's such a bang-bang play where it's like both guys are in the air going for the same spot. I mean, if the cornerback makes a better throw, we don't have it.
Right, right.

Speaker 4 That goes in the whole, what Brady was saying, you know, like

Speaker 4 if

Speaker 4 you

Speaker 4 were like

Speaker 4 rewarding offense

Speaker 4 for lack of execution of a right, right?

Speaker 1 Or it's like even like you'll see a running back lower their head into a defendant. It's like that never gets called.
They're using their helmets.

Speaker 4 They've been doing it more lately. I mean, you can clearly see these point of emphasis is going on right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the other one, like lining upside.

Speaker 2 So, did you ever get called for lining up? Did you line up offside?

Speaker 4 In Pittsburgh, so I was in the slot a lot, and I like to hug that line so I can get into my route quicker. And so, I would always go and I would look at my guy, and I'm telling him I'm back.

Speaker 4 And I did it on film. And, you know, sometimes you get lazy and you just, you do it without making eye contact with them.

Speaker 4 Motherfucker called me and I was clearly, I mean, I was close to the line of scrimmage, but I wasn't on it. And I, on film, I gave him, I'm off.

Speaker 4 You know, so I have been called for something like that.

Speaker 4 But it goes into like the most fundamental thing that you practice in every walkthrough, every fucking practice play, every seven-on-seven, you look over to the imaginary ref and you make eye contact with them.

Speaker 1 That's like what we were taught you know what i mean so you know i think that's sloppy yeah that was the the mahomes rant about the refs i i don't get mad at mahomes either no it was it was that's right after the game right after the game and i also like watched it being like what he's really mad about here is that they're not executing like they're not making the little things that you have to do to win football games you know it

Speaker 4 it's like

Speaker 4 when you make hardwood floors i heard this i heard belichek say this to us once okay he goes you you know, like, it's like making floors.

Speaker 4 You know, like you got to go and you got to hammer down each nail and you check, you double check all those nails because you may miss one

Speaker 4 and you may not see it. But three months down the road, when you stub your fucking toe on it, you'll realize you should have checked again.

Speaker 4 You know, it's like that.

Speaker 4 You know, just getting soft execution, these little things that you're not doing in practice, these little things that are coming up, you know, that that's probably because they haven't been practicing it,

Speaker 1 right? Yeah, yeah, no, it's true.

Speaker 2 Um, every house you're sneaking out of, make sure that there's not a ring doorbell camera on it. It might catch you shirtless, yeah, you know,

Speaker 1 he looked good, he looked good. I really wish he had ripped a fart, though.
You know what I'm gonna say?

Speaker 1 I'm gonna ask him about it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm gonna go up there and I'm gonna say,

Speaker 4 hey, coach,

Speaker 4 you know, that deep breath that you took to gather yourself?

Speaker 4 That's what I used to do every time I had to step in your office.

Speaker 2 I thought he looked good in the video. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought he looked strong and powerful.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's, you know, Moses got him going right. That's the strange coach over there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's still on the bar. Speaking of which,

Speaker 1 there's some people talking.

Speaker 1 Haven't seen a lot of shirtless pics of you recently. Are you getting soft?

Speaker 1 I'm not soft. I'm still cut.

Speaker 1 Prove it.

Speaker 4 I'm not doing it right now.

Speaker 1 Six times?

Speaker 4 Prove it. I got something.

Speaker 1 Prove it.

Speaker 2 Gronk said he didn't have it like that anymore.

Speaker 1 Going to a football drill like that Father's Day?

Speaker 1 We'll stand in front of you or sit behind you.

Speaker 1 Classic Father's Day, shirtless.

Speaker 4 I'm sweating still from the goddamn shooting thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, I just, people are saying, like, hey, where's the thirst traps? Berrios is taking over your crown.

Speaker 4 You know, I got a kid now. It's tougher when you're around her more.
You know, when I was playing, I only have her for a week at a time. So then,

Speaker 4 you know, like when you have her in your schedule all the time, I can't just be

Speaker 1 just thirsty. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can't be working out as much.

Speaker 1 That's what I heard.

Speaker 2 I heard that you weren't really going to the gym. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I go to the bottom. I heard you've gotten soft.
No.

Speaker 1 You sure? Yes. Okay.
Because, like, that can happen to any podcast.

Speaker 2 They're calling you Julian Fedelman because you were eating so much.

Speaker 1 Feddleman? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I do like to eat, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I went to

Speaker 1 Owl's. We can tell.
Oh, you went to Owl's Beef? Yeah. Yeah.
Hell yeah. Pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just don't want to see you get soft because, like I said, podcasting can get you soft. Can it? You can get it.
You get that little hunch.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 we basically are the, you know, like the evolution chart, man walking upright. Podcasters go in reverse.
We just eventually are going to just be on all fours.

Speaker 1 That's true. Yeah.
You should do chairs all day.

Speaker 1 That'd be great. I did do one.
Remember when I threw out my back? That's true. You guys came over and I was laying down for it.

Speaker 2 Evolution of man, upright, upright, upright. And then the one at the end is just a guy like with a podcast microphone just yeah just being like women should have more sex with men yeah

Speaker 2 it's no or the opposite fellas stop having sex with women make them earn it yeah why are you as a man having sex with a woman the gayest thing you could do is have sex with a girlfriend

Speaker 1 would you agree

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Those podcast clips that come out every now and then are just like, what is this? What is happening?

Speaker 2 Yeah, why are you as a man debasing yourself and acting feminine along with a woman in order to get a female's approval you're disrespecting yourself i don't see that content really my algorithm is you've got a good content yeah good algorithm you see any deaths i see deaths every day on twitter no i see i see a lot of like fights yeah i always get trapped and like i get sad when i see a bad fight i know it's like oh no

Speaker 4 the situation watch out it's coming not even that though like what if you're that guy and you're fighting someone he hits you then like it flips a switch where you can't stop and you have to beat him up.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know? Do you still have that switch?

Speaker 1 Do you still have that dog?

Speaker 4 You know, when you're born with it, it don't go away, boys. You sure?

Speaker 2 How do you release the dog?

Speaker 1 You have to have an outlet. Oh, you box.
Box? Rough and rowdy? Not like that. No, but would you.
No, absolutely. You wouldn't be interested?

Speaker 2 You versus Welker.

Speaker 1 You versus Max?

Speaker 4 No. No.

Speaker 1 Rough and rowdy.

Speaker 4 I don't need any hits to the head. I just, you know, I like to train it.
I go to Churchill in Santa Monica. It's a pretty dope spot.

Speaker 1 Okay. Just Just rough and rowdy.
Max says the one thing about Max, he says that he could beat Churchill News. I beat the fuck out of you.

Speaker 1 Is he a boxer? No. No, he's just a big dude.
No.

Speaker 2 He's got big, meaty clankers, too.

Speaker 1 No. It would be bad news for me.
It would be very bad news.

Speaker 2 I would be gas within the 10 seconds.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You'd be fucked. All right.

Speaker 4 Then guys, you got to get in and out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl pick.

Speaker 1 Is it Ravens Niners?

Speaker 4 I think it's Raven Niners.

Speaker 1 Are you going to the Super Bowl the whole week?

Speaker 4 You can probably hang out? Yeah, we're doing games with

Speaker 4 there at the win.

Speaker 1 Who you guys got on?

Speaker 4 I don't know. Who do we have? I think maybe Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 1 Oh, that'll be good. Are you doing 9-11?

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 2 If there's one thing you could change about this day, Mark, what would it be? I would have been there. Games with Names?

Speaker 1 Mark Wahlberg on the flight? I would have been on that flight. He had that quote.
What'd he say? He said things would have been different.

Speaker 2 If he was on it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're taking care of it. Things would have been different.

Speaker 1 Did you guys ever play that situation?

Speaker 4 What would you have done?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't want to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I'd just try to trip someone running down the aisle, and then if that doesn't work, it's like, well, I tried.

Speaker 2 I think I'd probably just cry. Yeah.
Yeah, probably a lot of tears.

Speaker 2 What do you think about the Sean McDermott thing?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Apparently, in the preseason, he motivated his guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I heard about it.

Speaker 2 Because football coaches talk about just crazy shit all the time in locker room to get guys motivated.

Speaker 2 What's the craziest thing that a coach has ever tried to use as a motivational tool for you?

Speaker 4 Nothing along that line.

Speaker 1 I probably would.

Speaker 4 I don't know. They always used, sometimes they don't, like,

Speaker 4 nothing like that. We used to get these tip sheets on, you know, Saturdays

Speaker 4 from Chad O'Shea.

Speaker 4 Where it'd have the play, call, the call sheet of all our plays. We'd have like, you know, all our run game block assignments, like printouts of how it looks on film.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Just so you can go over it and study before. And on like like the last page, you'd have like some kind of saying or some old like history knowledge of the team we were playing or

Speaker 4 brave heart quote or something.

Speaker 1 Nothing crazy.

Speaker 4 I don't remember anything.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's happened where you're like, where's he going here?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The McDermott story was like, that's bad. But also football guys just, they kind of take it too far sometimes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but usually football guys are pro-military. Yeah.
I make that like, why wouldn't we talk about the Navy SEALs that took out Osama?

Speaker 1 osama yeah sure why couldn't we do that if he had just done zero dark 30

Speaker 1 would have been perfect zero dark 30. that's so true uh you know those guys are badasses yeah he just got lost he got lost a little bit

Speaker 2 he tried i guess he tried yeah

Speaker 1 you've you've heard every way to say it he tried to scrap the last guy i would have been pissed though yeah i would have been like what the fuck is he talking about wait hold on a second those are the bad guys yeah yeah and i'm sure that that is definitely a story where I, I mean, it's clearly out.

Speaker 4 One of the players, someone said it, but that's when, you know, you go to the locker room after a team meeting. You're like, what the fuck was he talking about?

Speaker 1 Things are bad. Yeah.
Is coach okay? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You just did Mark Wahlberg for that, for that hype-up speech. You were like, if I were there, I would have spoken up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That would have ended differently.

Speaker 4 No, I said I would have probably in the locker room, would have been talking to like McCordy or Nikovich.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck was he talking about there?

Speaker 2 Was it Will Compton that told us about a coach that he had that was like talking about

Speaker 2 like being in the military? He served in Afghanistan or Iraq, and he was like, you got to shoot whatever's in front of you over there.

Speaker 1 Safety's off.

Speaker 2 Safety's off. If it's a child, if it's a woman, if it's a man,

Speaker 2 dog, doesn't matter. You got to kill it.
And that was a pump-up speech. And Will Compton's like, wait, what?

Speaker 1 Child? Yeah, wait. We're killing dogs.

Speaker 1 Safety's off. Safety's off.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 4 you could definitely go over the line.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
I got one last question. Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 The most important question.

Speaker 1 How do we talk about Brock Purdy? Is he the MVP?

Speaker 4 I mean, right now, he probably is.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 the MVP is always a quarterback. Right.
Offensive player of the year is always someone else.

Speaker 1 But it's very interesting because Brock Purdy, it feels like there's a lot of people online who, like, I don't want to say nerds, but maybe nerds who are like, oh, it's just the system and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 And then you see a lot of guys who played the game who are like, no, he's balling.

Speaker 1 Like, the way he's throwing with the anticipation, like this isn't, yes, of course, if you put Patrick Mahomes on the Niners, he would look great.

Speaker 1 But like you have to give credit to what Brock Purdy is. You have to.

Speaker 4 You have to.

Speaker 4 You know, this whole game manager thing, people don't realize it's more like a game operator. You know, being able to go in and communicate personnel, group, play, call, checkout, play, give like,

Speaker 4 you know, being on the same page with each guy in the huddle, being able to do that and execute at the level he's doing is very impressive. Yeah.
I mean, he's got too many

Speaker 4 situational throws where he's throwing a, you know, third and eight, you know, third and 13, an in-cut, anticipation. There's too many of those throws to say he's not good.

Speaker 4 You know, we've seen this system with Jimmy. We've seen this system with Trey Lance.
It looked nothing like it. Right.
The same players. So, you know,

Speaker 4 you got to start talking and putting some respect behind his name because he's playing good football. He looks like he's always in control.

Speaker 4 He doesn't ever look flustered.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm really impressed of how he's playing, and I hope to see him continue to succeed. You know,

Speaker 4 it's a great story, and he's continuing making this, you know, a bigger and bigger narrative on it. And the more we talk about it, it's the better he's doing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's not unlike. the start of Tom Brady's career.
That's all I'm going to say. Not saying he is Tom Brady, but if we were to flash back in time.

Speaker 1 He's probably more productive.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if we were to flash back in time 2001, 2002,

Speaker 2 and we look at what we were saying about Tom Brady then and how he was playing compared to Brock Purdy right now. Yeah, late draft pick, late draft pick, comes in, no expectation.
Got a great defense.

Speaker 2 He's relying on that right off the bat. It's the start.
I don't know what the finish is going to be, but it's the start.

Speaker 4 He's having a phenomenal start to his career, and

Speaker 4 you hope he stays healthy uh and you hope that he continues to to keep the mindset that he has right now because he's a very i've met him we went and did a you know an event at the super bowl last year and he's he's you could just tell he's got a good head on his shoulders and you and you have to when when you're the face of a team okay we i love christian mccaffrey is a dog everyone on that team is a dog but the face of that team is a quarterback yeah okay you know we we saw what it was when they didn't have the quarterback position going and you see what it is when they have Brock Purdy playing.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 that's the league we play in, and he's balling out. And,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm excited to see what he does in these playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This is a trick question.

Speaker 2 The answer was Trent Williams, actually. Sean Williams.

Speaker 1 Trent Williams should be a monster. Monster.

Speaker 2 Wouldn't that be just cool if they gave the MVP to an offensive lineman one year?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 What would you have to do as an offensive lineman to play? I don't know. Yeah, you have to have fancakes? You'd probably have to catch a couple touchdown passes, like maybe three or four.

Speaker 2 The tackle eligible?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I don't, you know,

Speaker 1 I don't,

Speaker 4 it's too vain of a world.

Speaker 1 The year that J.J. Watt.

Speaker 4 I agree. It's society.

Speaker 1 The year that J.J. Watt had, like, all those, like, he had touchdowns and, you know, like a pick six and 20 sacks.

Speaker 1 That was, like, the last time it was like, oh, someone not named a quarterback could probably.

Speaker 4 Didn't LT get an MVP?

Speaker 2 I think he did.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was pretty.

Speaker 1 But wide receivers never won MVP. Never? Never.

Speaker 4 I mean, Tyreek Hills.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 If he gets, I mean, he's having a hell of a year. A.J.
Brown's having a hell of a year.

Speaker 1 Last non-quarterback, I think, was Adrian Peterson in 2012, I want to say. Yeah, I think.
But it's, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 It'd be cool to see the running backs get it, though, if they gave it to Christian just because of the whole, you know, before the season stuff that was going on. That'd be cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm looking right.

Speaker 4 But it also could be one of those things where the league gives it to the running back just to kind of shut them up.

Speaker 2 Well, I think we might reach a point where where we have Brock and Christian splitting each other's votes.

Speaker 2 Somebody that wants to vote for the best player on the 49ers, they're not all going to focus their attention on the same guy. So those guys might get split up.

Speaker 2 And then who knows what happens after that? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Lamar's having a goddamn good year, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The 90s had a lot more running backs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Lawrence Taylor won 1986 MVP. You're right.
Yeah, Terrell Davis, Marshall Falk, Emmett Smith, Barry.

Speaker 4 Marshall Falk was really good. Yeah.
I love watching him play.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, it hasn't been since Adrian Peterson. There was Sean Alexander and LaDanian Tomlinson in 2006.
That year was so.

Speaker 4 Alexander got paid after that, and he was on the cover of Madden. Yeah.
He didn't play.

Speaker 1 La Danian Tomlinson. I had him on my fantasy team in 2006.
That was the last time I was good at fantasy. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 And he would just, he would literally score every single day. 25 touchdowns or something.
And he would throw them, too.

Speaker 1 It was just every week. You'd just be like, oh, that's 40 points.

Speaker 4 That'll be interesting. San Diego.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 L.A.

Speaker 1 Harbaugh, maybe. I want him in Chicago, but I feel like...
Harbaugh. That might be.

Speaker 1 Maybe Belichick.

Speaker 2 Belichick.

Speaker 2 Where would you prefer to see Belichick?

Speaker 4 I would love him on the Chargers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you could go to practice. I would go to practice.

Speaker 1 Would you ever coach?

Speaker 4 Hell no. Really?

Speaker 1 Dude, I put...

Speaker 4 When I was playing,

Speaker 4 you go in, you put 13 hours in,

Speaker 4 and you're leaving work, and it's dark, and you're watching the coaches see their family in the parking lot for fucking 45 minutes before they have to go to a fucking night meeting.

Speaker 1 Hell no. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, it's, it's, those guys love football.

Speaker 1 How many, how many minutes of PMT do you think Tom Brady's heard through you?

Speaker 1 The social clips count? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 Probably like 15.

Speaker 1 Okay, that works. That works.
That's fine. Probably 15.
Yeah. I mean, you like you, Blake Griffin, these are the guys that we know,

Speaker 2 you know, you got some other guys into it, which we appreciate.

Speaker 4 It's huge for us. Fun.
You guys, you guys are.

Speaker 1 We have fun with Paul.

Speaker 2 Now, what if Bill said, like, Jules, I need you?

Speaker 1 Like, like, father,

Speaker 1 I need you bad.

Speaker 2 Jules, I need you bad.

Speaker 2 Receivers suck.

Speaker 1 They have no dog.

Speaker 2 We need to learn.

Speaker 1 I need you to be chief dog

Speaker 1 in the locker room. Yeah.
I need you to instill, I need a dog

Speaker 1 transplant in the locker room.

Speaker 2 He gets Julian Edelman and Caesar Milan to go in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We need Sergey. I don't know.

Speaker 2 He needs you, Julian.

Speaker 1 We need you to put dog into every one of these guys.

Speaker 4 Coach needed me. Maybe I'd go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe not.

Speaker 1 Especially if it was. Hell, no, I'm not going to go.
No, if it was a top-secret dog mission. No.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 I told Brady, you know,

Speaker 4 if and when, or when

Speaker 4 he becomes the coach of the Raider or the owner of the Raiders, or whatever a piece of it I told him he could pay me you know a couple million bucks and I'd work out

Speaker 4 the talent in LA

Speaker 4 three days you know three four or five times a year it's a good gig you know yeah and

Speaker 1 farm something out with for us I don't know let me let me see let me get mine maybe we just interview like potential guys and we'll we'll do the dog testing the dog test is just a look in the eye okay do we have it

Speaker 4 I can't see your eyes. So maybe

Speaker 4 don't take them off.

Speaker 2 You're afraid. No.

Speaker 1 Do I have some dog?

Speaker 4 You got puppy.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's fine.

Speaker 1 Puppies grow into dogs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got dog.

Speaker 2 Could you teach us how to run routes and have us look like what we're doing?

Speaker 4 It's not teachable.

Speaker 2 It's fine. I take pride in my blocking.
I'm more of a blocking myself.

Speaker 4 You know, it's like speed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't teach it. I got some great slow twitch muscles.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 How does that work? It's just whatever you teach me, I would just do it slower than you ever expected.

Speaker 2 Which is almost as effective as being slow. You know what?

Speaker 1 It's smooth, though, because I was watching you out there.

Speaker 4 Smooth. And that's what I remember when I was doing, I was young, and I had a coach.
He goes, you know, I was trying to go through the bags too fast. I clipped a couple things or something.

Speaker 4 He goes, slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that Mr. Miyagi?

Speaker 4 No, it was just what I would say that you look like when you're.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't have any wiggle. Wiggle is so important.
No. You had so much wiggle.
A lot of wig.

Speaker 1 I love being able to decipher that when you see like a slot, a white slot receiver. He has no wiggle and you're like, nah.
Can't make it. He can't make it.
He doesn't have the wiggle.

Speaker 4 No, you got to have wiggle.

Speaker 1 You got to have the wiggle.

Speaker 2 Oh, my favorite route that you used to run would be when you go, you do like a half fake to the inside.

Speaker 2 Actually, I think you'd set up like half step fake to the outside, two-step fake to the inside, and then go back out to the outside along that same line.

Speaker 2 Did you ever think about doing like adding one more fake in there and doing like three fakes and then coming back to the inside?

Speaker 4 You try it in practice. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But I know exactly what you're talking about. Welker used to do that a lot.
You're playing with people's like leverages and you try to,

Speaker 4 you know, you get an outside technique. You know, sometimes I'd bring it out and go in

Speaker 4 because they're thinking in cut. If you give a jab release, then you go out, in, go up, and then slap them out and get out.
You're trying to gain leverage.

Speaker 4 So you're doing anything you can to gain that leverage.

Speaker 4 So, you know, it's tough because if you don't get get them, you're stuck and you're not getting the ball. But once you get the feel of it, that's when you see a really good route runner.

Speaker 4 And you see, you know, like Wes Woker was really good at getting guys to flip their hips in such a short span of time, you know, in the slot. You know, you know, so you try to mess with those stems.

Speaker 4 Good wiggle.

Speaker 2 All right, last, last question: who's the best route runner in the game?

Speaker 4 Right now?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Best route runner

Speaker 4 in the game.

Speaker 4 It's a tough question. It is.

Speaker 1 Cooper cop.

Speaker 4 Cooper is very good. And

Speaker 4 when I went and interviewed him, I was watching all this.

Speaker 4 You watch the game, but when you watch all of his film,

Speaker 4 he can run a lot of routes. You know, the guys that run more, like the bigger route trees, not a guy that could just run a go or a comeback.
The guys that can run go,

Speaker 4 come back, in cut,

Speaker 4 you know, out, slant, fast. The bigger your tree is, the better you are.
So, I mean, Jamar Chase has really good routes. Justin Jefferson.
Justin Jefferson has like Justin Jefferson so skilled.

Speaker 4 Diggs has really good routes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I feel like those guys are so skilled, they don't get the credit for being route runners.

Speaker 1 Because usually when you're like, oh, he's a great route runner, it's like, oh, well, maybe he doesn't have everything else. No.

Speaker 1 But those guys, like Justin Jefferson, he changes direction without ever breaking speed or stride or like any, you know, like

Speaker 4 you got to look at the tops of routes when you see how they cut out of the top of a route and when they come flat to downhill and stuff.

Speaker 4 Like with guys that, you know, they'll break an in-cut and they'll drift upfield. Like, that's a terrible route.
That's why you get undercut picks.

Speaker 4 You know, you got to, you're basically coming flat to downhill. When you know, you, you see that in a route runner, like then you know that he knows.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So there's a lot. I mean, route running's,

Speaker 4 it's at an all, it's it's very good right now. Yeah.
Just because there's so much film. Yeah.
Guys are learning quicker at a younger age.

Speaker 4 They're practicing like their releases and they're putting these tools on their belt at such a younger age. Like I didn't really,

Speaker 4 I did releases instinctively. They have like five different releases and know how to use them.

Speaker 4 So there's a lot of good stuff right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, Jules, you're the best.

Speaker 1 You're welcome back anytime. I was still saying we have open podcast studios.
You ever need to do a games with names in Chicago?

Speaker 4 I need to get back. I'd love to have you come back.

Speaker 4 Maybe I get Jordan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be good.

Speaker 2 I'd say that would be a good podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That we'd get so cocked.

Speaker 2 I would be so mad. If Jordan came into our office and did another podcast, I'd be furious.

Speaker 1 I would be happy for you as a friend.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 I'd slash your tires.

Speaker 1 I'd slash your tires while you were in the middle.

Speaker 4 I'd go to a satellite.

Speaker 2 I think you could do it in the studio, but you would just have to release a podcast on the part of my take feed.

Speaker 1 Deal.

Speaker 4 Let me get back to you with that.

Speaker 2 It'd be good promotion.

Speaker 1 But yes, you got to come back because we love having you around. We missed you.
It's been too long.

Speaker 4 It has. You know,

Speaker 4 we got to see each other when I lived in New York. I know.

Speaker 1 I know. I know.
But now you're not in New York either.

Speaker 4 I know, but you're not either.

Speaker 1 We got to make a trip to L.A. Yeah, you got it.
We've been talking about it. Have you? Yeah, we've done it a couple of times.

Speaker 1 We've been talking maybe like sometime after March Madness, do like a week in L.A., bank a bunch of interviews. Yeah.
So maybe we'll do that. Definitely.

Speaker 1 Show us around, take our shirts off, run some routes.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 standard.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 75 and sunny right now.

Speaker 1 Standard is the standard. Yeah, but that earthquake's coming.

Speaker 4 It always is. It always is.

Speaker 1 Taxes. That's all I can say.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 None of those in Chicago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is there no Chicago tax?

Speaker 2 No state income tax.

Speaker 1 Not the same as California. There's no state income tax.

Speaker 1 California is 10. Tax is like 8%.

Speaker 4 Fuck out of you. I forget.
It's like 5%. Five?

Speaker 1 Yeah. California's what? Like 13.8?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 13.8.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to wear a mask still. Fuck that.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's it is weird out there.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Jules.
All right, guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Fire Fest. Let's do it.

Speaker 9 Henry, this is kind of like it's a mystery fire fest. I don't know if it's a fire fest yet or not.

Speaker 2 Mystery fire fest.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're going to decide?

Speaker 9 No, it's to be determined.

Speaker 9 We had the event last night at River North, the talent show,

Speaker 9 and then we went out afterwards. Shane, me, Max, Evan, a bunch of the guys, played some pool, had some Coors Lights, had a good time.
Got a little wasted.

Speaker 9 And then I went home and packed.

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 4 You don't know what's in your bag?

Speaker 10 You should open it live on the show.

Speaker 2 You got to keep that briefcase shut. Yeah.
Did you pack like a Jameis Winston type thing?

Speaker 9 No, I mean, it's packed, but I.

Speaker 1 Where are you going, San Diego?

Speaker 9 I'm going to Massachusetts and New Orleans.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's a double climate pack.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow. You should wait until you get home and do like an unboxing of your own clothes that you packed.

Speaker 9 Yeah. So

Speaker 9 I don't know. I really don't know.

Speaker 1 Are you doing New Year's in New Orleans?

Speaker 9 I'm going. I'm coming back New Year's Eve night.

Speaker 1 Got it. So we have to work.
That would be New Year's Eve. Yeah.

Speaker 1 New Year's Eve night. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Well, like day, night. I don't know.
Well, yeah, it's New Year's Eve. So I'll be here New Year's Eve.
I will be in New Orleans, though. I'm excited.
Billy Strings concert, Friends Golf.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Sounds great.

Speaker 9 I've been to New Orleans for work. I've never really just been for fun.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I mean, we had a lot of fun when we went to New Orleans. True.

Speaker 1 Not only that, but the Final Four, Coach K.

Speaker 1 That one, yes. The fucking national championship was awful.
No, the National Championship. It was literally like two interviews.

Speaker 9 Parting, yeah.

Speaker 2 That was the best night ever. And one of those interviews, we were blind-drunk.
Actually, two of them, we were blind-drunk in them.

Speaker 1 We've had a lot of fun in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 Also, when you talk about going to New Orleans for work, when we went there for the Final Four,

Speaker 2 our job was to just go watch basketball games and then come back and be like, yo, that game was awesome.

Speaker 1 And he chicken fingers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And yeah, that was it.

Speaker 9 Grinding.

Speaker 1 Grinding. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Senior vice president.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Are you?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I did. I did do

Speaker 9 a form last night. PFT kind of spoiled it, tweeted out my routine.
It should be illegal.

Speaker 1 Oh, you never can do that for a comedian. You can never burn their material.

Speaker 2 I didn't. I just tweeted out just the very first part of it.
I sent Hank

Speaker 2 the entire eclipse so that he could watch it back.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but then I...

Speaker 2 The only part I tweeted out was Hank saying, PFT Commenter's here. Give it up for PFT Commenter.
He donates $3 million to charity. That's the part that I tweet out.
Oh, that's a good joke.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a great joke. I loved it.

Speaker 1 What's the funny part about that?

Speaker 9 I'm not going to get into it because I know I'm trying to save it. I don't have a lot of material.

Speaker 2 I didn't tweet out the punchline and your reason for saying that.

Speaker 1 I tweeted too. I apologize.
No,

Speaker 9 yours was appropriate, Jake.

Speaker 10 I cut it off after my name is Henry Lockwood.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I'm going to be doing this.

Speaker 9 No, I just didn't. I didn't realize I had to pass out those little cases for your phones.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we got to do that.

Speaker 9 But I did six minutes. It was kind of a train wreck.
So it's going to be a long January.

Speaker 6 I thought it was awesome.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Jake. Well, that's not good.

Speaker 2 Unless you beat me.

Speaker 1 Jake's saying it's awesome is not good.

Speaker 9 I am a big procrastinator. I can't even consider.
We'll see after this weekend, I guess. But I can't consider beating you because then I just won't work on anything.

Speaker 9 So I have to just pretend like it's over. That's smart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is smart.

Speaker 2 That's really smart.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFT.

Speaker 2 My Fire Fest of the Week, I'm shaving my mustache. No.
Shaving it before because

Speaker 2 my mom's just going to look at it.

Speaker 1 My mom's just going to be like, what

Speaker 2 are you doing? What are you doing, PFT? I raised you better than this.

Speaker 1 No, man.

Speaker 2 No commenter.

Speaker 1 It's finally coming in.

Speaker 2 I agree. I think it looks awesome right now.
I've gotten so many compliments on it. What about...

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Max.

Speaker 6 I wasn't going to say anything, but I was looking.

Speaker 1 At what?

Speaker 1 The sideburns? At the sideburns? Sideburns.

Speaker 2 I don't know what Max is thinking. I've had sideburns.
Sign up on your sideburns.

Speaker 1 I've had sideburns.

Speaker 2 I've had sideburns for 15 years.

Speaker 6 But you specifically shaved them to look like sideburns.

Speaker 2 You know what? I'm going to shave them to even finer of a point just for you.

Speaker 1 Do you know what?

Speaker 1 There's nothing worse than a new insecurity unlocked.

Speaker 2 I'm impervious to your sideburn slander. That doesn't phase me at all.
But the mustache leaving- it's going to be the end of an era, sadly.

Speaker 9 People call me feeble knees when we do the golf streams. It's in my head.

Speaker 1 Do you guys have those moments where you're like new, new insecurity unlocked? I remember in college once a girl was like, Your eyebrows are too big. And I was like, Okay, I never thought of it.

Speaker 1 And now I'll think about it every day for the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 I've had a couple of those. There was a person that used to just like tease me for having red hair a lot.
And I was like, My hair's not red.

Speaker 1 It's new insecurity unlocked.

Speaker 2 She was like,

Speaker 2 You're a ginger. And then for a while, I thought I was a ginger.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 yeah so i'm changing max's meaty clackers

Speaker 2 that's not insecurity let's see that's a security yeah that's just that's just facts that's ball security baby yeah

Speaker 2 so in the venera shaving the side the uh mustache off sideburns will stay boo as they always maybe you know what i'll put up to a poll yeah put up to a poll i'll let the people decide also my vote counting 10.

Speaker 1 Okay, deal.

Speaker 2 My other fire fest was that Megan Making Money ate my lunch yesterday.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I was very much looking forward to my lunch. I'd been podcasting for like four and a half hours, doing a long episode of macro dosing.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought it was when she crossed you up on the court.

Speaker 2 No. No, she could never

Speaker 2 put the clamps on her.

Speaker 2 I ordered a Greek lunch.

Speaker 1 Literally ate your lunch.

Speaker 2 I ordered a Greek lunch, and I was very much looking forward to it because, again, it had been sitting there for about an hour and a half, and I was hungry by the time we were done podcasting.

Speaker 2 And I got out. And the lunch was gone.
Megan came and found me. She said, PFT, I'm so sorry.
I accidentally ate your lunch. And you know what?

Speaker 2 I was like, I guess that's okay because she also ordered a Greek lunch. Yeah.
She was like, I got mixed up. I saw what you ordered.
I thought it was my lunch. So I ate that.
I'm very sorry.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, that's fine. I'll just eat your lunch then.
She goes, well, I also ate my own lunch.

Speaker 2 She double-dipped on lunch.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 I feel like in that circumstance,

Speaker 2 you offer your lunch to the person, and then if they don't take that, then you order them.

Speaker 1 You should have made her baby bird her lunch.

Speaker 9 Well, I heard she was like passing around. She was like, oh, the sandwich I got is really good.
Everyone take a bite.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. So everyone ate your lunch.

Speaker 2 I got my lunch eaten by everyone.

Speaker 4 Damn. I guess it's for the team.

Speaker 2 Damn. That stinks.
So

Speaker 2 my terms are clear. I just need to hang out with her husband, Raul, for a night, and then we're back even.
Yeah. So I get one night with Raul, and then it's water under the bridge.

Speaker 6 Progressive.

Speaker 2 Shout out to Mr.

Speaker 2 Best. Mr.
Making Money is the best.

Speaker 1 Doesn't eat on LSU game days.

Speaker 1 I like that. Notice they said nothing about drinking.
I said, doesn't eat. Yep.
I've been around him a couple LSU game days, and you can tell he's a guy who was not eating that day.

Speaker 2 You know, he was the absolute best at Darts, at Darts Day. He was the Dart father.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's the best. Yes, Mr.
Making Money. All right, my Fire Fest is I lost my voice again this week.
Apologies to everyone. I feel very bad.

Speaker 1 Fuck you to the couple people who are like, dude, no one wants to listen. It's like, yeah, I don't want to listen to myself.

Speaker 2 It sucks.

Speaker 2 You sound mature.

Speaker 1 I went to sleep very early every every single night. The problem is our job is to talk.
So like I was actually almost all the way back on Tuesday and then Wednesday I had like five shows in a row.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I do actually care. I'm not trying to lose my voice.
Happens once a year. Thought we were going to get through this football season without it, but here we are.
So I apologize again.

Speaker 1 I'm going to rest up. The break comes at a perfect time.

Speaker 2 You got to start doing throat exercises.

Speaker 1 I dude, I have these drops. I've been doing everything.
I've been chugging like Robotustin at night. Raw milk.
Raw milk. Everyone said honey, everything.

Speaker 1 I've been gargling salt water, literally everything. So

Speaker 1 apologies again, Jake.

Speaker 10 I wasted my time going axe throwing last week. I waited in line for 20 minutes.
It was three throws for $15, and I missed the thing all three times. I'm not strong enough.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Axe throwing is one of those, I've done it.

Speaker 1 It's hard. Well,

Speaker 1 it's one of those perfect um schemes that looks great on Instagram yeah and then you get there and you're like okay

Speaker 1 three throws I want to know

Speaker 2 like I want to know who decided that axe throwing was going to be everywhere it seems like it just happened it's like pickleball it is the no

Speaker 2 pickleball is taking over the world that's what the axe throwing people say about axe throwing but I feel like there's It's probably like some big venture capital firm that got together with other rich people and they're like, you know what America's going to have in every single town a fucking axe throwing range it is they're like that's a great it's it sounds like the thoughts of a group of really coked up guys yeah that got together and they're like you know what even if i hit a fucking like okay yeah you know when you look at instagram people doing it

Speaker 1 on you know axe throwing it looks fun it's like oh all your friends together i did it i literally did it with all my friends once and it was just like okay they're all everyone's trying to find the next bowling yeah bowling can just be bowling bowling is the best bowling is the next bowlero yeah Bowling is the next bowling.

Speaker 2 I would like.

Speaker 1 By the way, we're running back the bowling

Speaker 1 challenge for Mount Rushmore next year.

Speaker 2 I would love to live inside Texas

Speaker 2 where you just, like, everything reminds you of a company that you should sponsor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shout out to AWL, by the way, who used our bowling challenge for fantasy punishment. So smart.
Awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That looked like a good time. That's one of our best punishments.

Speaker 10 I think he did five for beer and 10 for hot dogs.

Speaker 1 That was definitely a a fun one. So we're going to run that back next summer.

Speaker 2 Will Levis did not practice today?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it might be Malik Willis, which would be a bummer. Bummer.

Speaker 2 Give us Tannehill.

Speaker 1 If it's Willis, I'm going to... I might be.

Speaker 2 I don't do Game of the Years anymore.

Speaker 1 But nuclear missile.

Speaker 1 Numbers. 40.
80. 18.

Speaker 10 Should we do two for the holidays?

Speaker 7 20.

Speaker 1 71.

Speaker 1 Three. It's the holidays.
No, but we will tape the next two right after this. Oh, okay.
Yeah. All right.
71

Speaker 10 28 Pug

Speaker 2 Pug's a pool shark.

Speaker 9 Pug's a weapon on the pool table.

Speaker 1 74

Speaker 1 74.

Speaker 1 All right, we'll see you guys on Tuesday. Love you guys.

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Speaker 1 away.

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Speaker 1 Take on

Speaker 1 me.

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Speaker 1 I'll be on

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