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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take,

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And then we also have in studio Sean Stilato, agent of Tommy DeVito.

Speaker 1 Just a good guy. Getting inducted to

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Speaker 1 Yes, good fucking guy. We're going to talk Monday night football.

Speaker 1 There should be some stuff that we have to talk about there.

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Speaker 1 Now in the street, there is violence,

Speaker 1 and then a lot of soft work to be done.

Speaker 1 No place to hang out or washing.

Speaker 1 And then I can't game all on the sound. Oh, no, we're gonna rock it down to Elite Trick Avenue.

Speaker 1 And then we'll take it higher.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Part of My Take. Today is Wednesday, December 20th, and Drew Locke is back.

Speaker 2 He's him.

Speaker 1 Drew Locke. Hey, PFT, hold on.

Speaker 2 Moxie King.

Speaker 1 Before Before we start, we should probably put our backpack on. Strap up.
Strap up. Put our backpack on.

Speaker 2 What's the difference between the backpack and then the strap?

Speaker 1 That's the seatbelt. Seatbelt.
Seatbelt, and this is to secure the back.

Speaker 2 I don't know about you, but I was cool when I was a kid, so I used to rock just one arm in the backpack. So I'd strap up like that.

Speaker 1 I also used to take the seatbelt and put it behind me.

Speaker 2 That's pretty sick. Yeah.
Fuck that.

Speaker 1 Real badass. Yeah, we don't give a fuck.
Yeah. I'll do anything.

Speaker 1 Monday Night Football. It was a great game, fellas.
A great game.

Speaker 2 It really was. It was a fun game.
And, you know, like going into the game, there was a lot of talk about who was going to play a quarterback for the Seahawks. Would it be Geno Smith?

Speaker 2 Would it be Drew Locke? Drew Locke had his Geno Smith moment in Monday Night Football. The Seahawks are leading the league now.

Speaker 2 They've got two quarterbacks that have, that was awesome interviews after a big Monday Night Football win. Yep.

Speaker 2 Drew Locke, my take that he would make four Pro Bowls, which I said like four years ago, three years ago on this program. Now it's at an all-time high.

Speaker 2 I think it's even higher than it was when I said it at the time, to be more likely. He's probably not going to do that, but it's closer than it was yesterday.

Speaker 2 And it was cool to see Drew Locke emotional after the game, not like with the whole GZ, swaggy guy, just like a humble, thankful, almost in tears type of guy.

Speaker 2 When DK came up to him, you saw him like dap him up, and he did the real life Shaquille O'Neal. I owe you an apology, young man.
I was not familiar with your game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was cool. It was cool.
It's cool to root for a story like that.

Speaker 1 Drew Locke, the Seahawks season is saved, where now they are still like neck and neck, where they're tied at 7-7 with the Vikings and the Rams and the Saints.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Drew Locke having that moment,

Speaker 1 having everyone talking about him.

Speaker 1 It also is nice because in the Drew Locke Tom Herman famous battle where Texas was back for a moment and he did the backpack against Drew Locke's Mizzou team in that bowl game.

Speaker 1 Tom Herman is now at FAU. He's 4-8, had a 4-8 season.
Drew Locke has won the war.

Speaker 2 He killed Tom Herman.

Speaker 1 He killed Tom Herman.

Speaker 1 We even had Joe Buck. Joe Buck was in his bag on Monday night.
He had a couple times. He said, analytics says to go for it, but that doesn't factor in Drew Locke, which I thought was very funny.

Speaker 1 Drew Locke kind of made him look stupid there.

Speaker 1 He also had a moment where he did the Dwight Howard Gordon Hayward tweet, basically in real life, where he's like, the Eagles are trying to win their first game without Big Dom on the sideline.

Speaker 1 He's watching from up above. I saw that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That was very funny.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he actually meant to say that he was dead or not.

Speaker 1 No, he was just kind of.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Big Don was up in the booth enjoying some snacks up there.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Drew Locke, it was a great moment for Drew Locke, great moment for the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 It was weird how we I don't remember a time when we had a game where we were like five minutes before kickoff and everyone was like, I don't know who's going to start tonight.

Speaker 2 Really for either team. Yeah.
I think it was a couple hours before that they said Jalen Hurts was actually going to make the start. But yeah, it was totally up in the air.

Speaker 2 This is the seventh straight Monday Night Football with an upset. Yeah.
Which is crazy. That is crazy.
This is good for football.

Speaker 2 There was a moment there at the end of the game when uh i believe it was the eagles driving and pete carroll used a timeout

Speaker 2 and no no the seahawks were driving pete carroll used the timeout for no real reason and then nick siriani got a chance to look at the replay because they called the timeout siriani throws the challenge flag the eagles win the challenge and then after the challenge was over pete carroll was asking the roughs like hey do i get my timeout back yeah right afterwards and siriani looked at him and he goes what the fuck are you doing no no you don't get it but yeah pete carol Carol was like, please, it's like a kid that gets sent to timeout.

Speaker 2 And he's like, can I bring my Game Boy to timeout? I know.

Speaker 1 Made a mistake.

Speaker 2 No, you fucked up. You fucked up, Pete.
And yeah, the Drew Locke drive at the end of the game, I think everybody had the same thought, which was too much time on the clock for Drew Locke.

Speaker 1 Too much time for Drew Locke.

Speaker 2 And he just started feeding the ball to DK, and DK went bully mode on everybody.

Speaker 1 DK, that one catch was, I mean, it was insane.

Speaker 1 How he ended up catching that ball. Yeah, and DK was like,

Speaker 1 he had basically nothing for the first three quarters. Showed up when it mattered.
Jackson Smith Najigba is awesome.

Speaker 1 It was good for the Seahawks. It's fun when the Seahawks are rocking, that stadium's rocking, Drew Locke has his moments.
It's fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and Pete Carroll wearing the backwards hat at the podium after the game. Yeah.
People forget how old Pete Carroll is. So old.
He looks better than most of the 40-year-olds that I know.

Speaker 1 He's the oldest by age and the youngest by spirit. Yeah, he is.
He really is like a lost boy.

Speaker 2 He's forever 21.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We also had some discourse last night regarding the tush push. Yeah.
and whether or not they're going to ban it. I've actually come like full circle.

Speaker 1 Oh, we haven't done this yet.

Speaker 2 I've come full circle on the tush push. Now I kind of want the tush push banned just so that we can stop debating whether or not the tush push is going to be banned.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm sick of it. And also Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 2 I'm not sick of the play, to be clear. The play should stay.
I'm just sick of people debating whether the play should be gone.

Speaker 1 Jason Kelsey got flagged for moving the ball forward before the tush push, which he's been doing forever. They decided.

Speaker 1 I do think it is funny the refs, like, they they got so much blowback from the Chiefs in the Kadarius Toney thing, where they've just been calling everyone offsides for a week and a half.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're like, no, see, we call it all the time.

Speaker 2 We're going to take you out back and make you smoke the full pack of offsides, see how much you're spending. I have a question, though.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Max, do you regret making this game a must-win? Because you lost a must-win.

Speaker 1 Yes, they lost a must-win. So the season's over.

Speaker 1 The Eagles will not be winning the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. Season over? Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Put out the press clippings. The Eagles.
And now, Max also said that he's not going to get angry today.

Speaker 1 Correct. And he's not going to talk.
He's going to pull a hank.

Speaker 1 I'll talk

Speaker 1 when you need me to talk. Okay, great.
So that's already out the window. Max is also, we were debating putting Max on the couch.

Speaker 1 I think Max is better when he's behind the glass, like a gorilla, Harambe,

Speaker 1 R.I.P. at the zoo, where he can get a little bit more aggravated when he's behind the glass and that's separating us.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like, you ever seen a dog behind a fence when you walk by in the yard and they just start barking at you and then you open up the fence gate and they just snuggle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just rub against you. That's Max.

Speaker 1 I have some questions for Max.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Jesus. He's a testy.
Hank, do you have any questions for Max? Yeah. I have a few.
Okay, Hank, why don't you take the question? Why don't you start Q ⁇ A? Why'd you start?

Speaker 1 Well, we have some questions. Don't get mad.
I'm not mad. But if you do get mad, that's okay because you're behind the glass.
I'm not mad.

Speaker 5 You think if Marcus Mariota starts that game, the Eagles score a touchdown?

Speaker 1 What the fuck kind of question was that me? Not mad. He did score a touchdown.
He throws a touchdown.

Speaker 2 They actually did score a touchdown. Yeah, they did score touchdowns.

Speaker 5 And Jalen.

Speaker 2 They scored two touchdowns. Next question.

Speaker 1 Oh, your next question. I mean, that was so dumb.
Next question. Okay,

Speaker 2 he did score two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Okay, it wasn't the best start. All right.
Let me, Hank,

Speaker 1 we'll just go around the horn with questions.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 1 You've talked a lot about. He passed a touchdown.
He ran.

Speaker 2 He didn't pass any touchdowns.

Speaker 1 It was a whiff on the first question. All right.
That's fine. We'll come back around to you.
It's okay. Max, there's been a lot of talk about the defense.

Speaker 1 Defense actually played pretty well last night.

Speaker 1 When are you going to finally say that the offense is also a problem? Offense, big problem. Big problem.
Okay, so, and when are you going to ask the question,

Speaker 1 is Jalen Hurts

Speaker 1 the guy?

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.
So you don't have to ask questions.

Speaker 2 Why do you think he's the guy?

Speaker 1 I think he's proven enough to this point of his career that he's still the guy. He had a very bad game last night.
He hasn't looked right all year.

Speaker 2 Is he himself this year? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 He may not be himself.

Speaker 5 Would you still suck his dick right now?

Speaker 1 There was a moment where I would.

Speaker 5 But not currently.

Speaker 1 He's not playing well enough or because he's sick. He is sick.
Yeah. So that's safety.
Safety, health and safety

Speaker 1 always comes number one. He's not not playing good football right now.
He's turning the ball over too much.

Speaker 1 He was probably too sick to play last night, although I don't understand how sickness could account for why the fuck you would throw that ball. Quez Watkins?

Speaker 1 Or the deep, or at the end of the game. Yeah.
You needed there. Kenneth Gainwell was wide open right in front of you to get 15 yards and give Jake Elliott a shot to put it to overtime.

Speaker 1 And then you just throw a deep ball

Speaker 1 into double coverage that has no chance of ever getting caught. And if it does get caught, you're still in the same position as if you were to just do a check down and go 20 yards.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Max, I was watching Jalen Hurts last night. I was thinking to myself, you could chalk this up to an illness game, like the flu game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 But then he just wasn't good at throwing the ball. He was still really good at rushing the ball.

Speaker 1 Offense looks just clunky.

Speaker 2 He had 82 yards rushing last night.

Speaker 1 I don't think the offensive play calling is good.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you can chalk that one up to him being sick.

Speaker 1 I didn't. Yeah.
Shane Steichen

Speaker 1 actually should get coach of the year by virtue of how bad the Eagles' offense is.

Speaker 2 Correct. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Max, another question. You tweeted James Bradbury must have had the worst final drive in the history of football there.

Speaker 1 Can you think of any other drives that James Bradbury maybe made a big mistake? This was worse. Than the Super Bowl.
He was targeted on every reception. The Super Bowl drive.

Speaker 1 He was worse. Than the Super Bowl.
That wasn't.

Speaker 1 I don't think you should have called that play.

Speaker 1 Than the Super Bowl. I get the Super Bowl, but like.
I don't think you get the Super Bowl. I get the Super Bowl.
I guess last night was a must-win, and Max never said the Super Bowl was a must-win.

Speaker 2 Yeah, would you make the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Super Bowl was a must-win.

Speaker 2 Lost a must-win there, too.

Speaker 1 So you're.

Speaker 2 I think you're actually 0 for 5 on must-win.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm 0 for 5 on 5.

Speaker 2 I would have prevented if you had made this a can't lose.

Speaker 1 No, get mad at it. That's simple.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, Hank, you got a question?

Speaker 1 Hank's banned from questions.

Speaker 5 Was his foot down at the end?

Speaker 1 I don't care about another thing, don't care about. Even if his foot wasn't down,

Speaker 1 you still have six seconds left, and you still need to get 20 yards and kick a field goal.

Speaker 1 Like, the chances of, even if even if that was an interception, the chances of them winning that game were so astronomically low because he made the decision to make that throw in the first place.

Speaker 1 So I don't give a fuck about that interception. And I hate that people were talking about it like it was a big deal because it didn't matter.

Speaker 1 They were losing that game whether that was called an interception or not.

Speaker 2 And you're not mad.

Speaker 1 And I'm not mad, but I'm just speaking emotionally. So are you worried about the future?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I would worry.
Everyone's getting old. Yeah.
Oh, window.

Speaker 2 Should we do that?

Speaker 1 Jalen Carter, though. Jalen Carter was so good.
Window talk. Window talk.
Was that the window last year?

Speaker 1 No, the window continued into this year, but the coaching has been fucking horrible. I mean.
So you're ruining window. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This was a window-ruining year.

Speaker 5 What's an ideal record for the rest of the season?

Speaker 1 They're not going to lose. Another stupid question.

Speaker 2 They're not going to lose another game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing about the Eagles.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, you might

Speaker 1 have

Speaker 2 Italian crime going on. You have to put Big Dom back on the sideline to cataract Tommy DeVito.

Speaker 1 Well, I have a stat for you, Max.

Speaker 1 Since Big Dom has... So before Big Dom got kicked off the sideline, the Eagles were 10-1.
Since Big Dom has been kicked off the sideline, they're 0-3 being outscored 74-43.

Speaker 1 How does that affect the play calling?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I mean, Big Dom, obviously, big factor to that sideline. Did you see A.J.
Brown last night? Yeah, he got in the face of a Seahawks pip squeak.

Speaker 1 After he was bumped by a member of the staff on the sideline. Yeah.
But the game should probably be thrown out. But again,

Speaker 1 anti-Italian discrimination, once again. I agree with that.
I agree. How do you know that guy wasn't Italian? That guy wasn't Italian.

Speaker 2 There are no Italians in Seattle.

Speaker 1 Fact.

Speaker 2 Okay. So, so, Max, looking at the rest of your season, you're probably going to go 0-3.
I hope you go 0-3 because if you don't, then, yeah, you're right. Season over.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, sorry, 3-0. 3-0.
You're going to win all three games. I'm pretty sure you're going to win all three games.

Speaker 2 Is the division now a must-win for you guys?

Speaker 1 Oh. It doesn't matter.
This team sucks. They're not going to do anything.

Speaker 1 Do you really think that that fucking

Speaker 1 Do you really think that that football team can go into Seattle and win a game in the playoffs?

Speaker 2 No, I mean, you might go into the game.

Speaker 1 They don't like going to Tampa Bay. Or not Seattle, San Francisco.
Okay. North Dallas.
No. There's no chance.
No.

Speaker 1 Who cares? That was the thing about last night. It really doesn't change anything of the actual season.
They were going to get the two-seed anyway.

Speaker 1 The Niners are going to beat the Ravens this weekend.

Speaker 1 Even if Deals win, it does make a big regardless because you guys would win your division.

Speaker 5 Could that team beat the 49ers team with no quarterback?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Right now, I don't think they could be able to get a bunch of people.
Could question Hank. No, Sam Weschen.
No,

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold would beat the fuck out of this team right now.

Speaker 5 No, but no quarterback.

Speaker 1 No quarterback. It's happened before.
Yeah. The only reason why they do that again.
Are they good enough to do that again?

Speaker 1 I don't know. This team sucks.
This team can't beat anyone. This team sucks.

Speaker 2 Do we need to go back and think, like, were the Eagles ever actually really good, or did they just beat a San Francisco team with no quarterback?

Speaker 1 Wow. Literally, no quarterback.
So they were never. They would have got smoked.

Speaker 2 They might never have been good.

Speaker 1 They were a faulty holding play away from a Super Bowl last year. Now it's faulty.
Oh, it's faulty?

Speaker 1 Mr. Yeah, the craziest part about this Eagles team is like the defense has been bad, and it completely covered up for the fact that the offense has not looked right in a long time.
Long time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Matt Patricia looked.

Speaker 1 The defensive game plan was better last night than it has been in a while. I really want you you to have a pencil in your ear going forward, especially with the way the defense is playing.

Speaker 1 They played well last night. James Bradbury is such a joke.
Just an absolute... I'm going to give you one last chance to take back your tweet.
No. Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, he got targeted five times, five receptions, 92 yards.

Speaker 1 One drive. That's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 Not great. What about your running game? Because I felt like Swift looked pretty good last night for the most part.

Speaker 1 The running game looked better.

Speaker 2 Lane Johnson with an ultimate bounce back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was crazy. Your life flashed before your eyes.

Speaker 2 yeah i thought he was dead and then he comes back one play later that was a window closing right there when he starts screaming on the ground and you're like oh his leg's broken his ankle's broken that would have been like dead dead you would have been dead dead dead but he came back dead dead and now you're like dead dead alive

Speaker 1 are you barely life support like jesus life support alive uh okay max well yeah it's i'm sad because it feels like you'll still get up for the playoffs though Yeah, they're going to win.

Speaker 1 They're going to beat fucking Tommy DeVito by like 30 next week, and I'm going to be all the way back, and then they're going to play whoever in the second round of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals, the Giants and Cardinals back to back. Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's a Cardinals sandwich. It's Giants, Cardinals, Giants.

Speaker 5 Is the season over if you lose any of those games?

Speaker 1 The season's already over, he said.

Speaker 2 It's a must-win that he lost.

Speaker 1 He lost a must-win. Season over.
Season's over. Their offense looks like shit.
Jalen Hurts,

Speaker 1 he just.

Speaker 1 He like, if he doesn't see it, he just runs out of the pocket and then just throws it out of bounds.

Speaker 1 i feel like that happens every time every single play happens like that it's a lot of throwaways you're 10 and 4 max yes like if the patriots were 10 and 4 and going through this i would be fighting back and you're just giving in yeah he'd be talking block after a three-game loser also the patriots

Speaker 5 i would say the qb was sick he's gonna get healthy we made it to the super bowl last year we know what we need to do to make it

Speaker 1 You would have said that. Survive in advance.

Speaker 2 No, this is the difference between us Patriots fans and Eagles fans. We've got championship DNA, championship pedigree.

Speaker 2 We know that the haters are coming at us right now, but these games don't even, Max. The only games that should matter to you as a winning franchise should start in January.

Speaker 5 Get right before the playoffs. This is the time to get right.
It's a good wake-up call.

Speaker 2 It's a great wake-up call.

Speaker 1 You're going to have three wake-up calls in a row.

Speaker 2 You're going to have, yeah, you've had a lot of wake-up calls. It's like you're hungover.

Speaker 1 But one of them doesn't count because your QB was sick.

Speaker 1 Are you worried that you're one in four ever since Nick Siriani, or one in three ever since Nick Siriani came off the field in Kansas City and said, how you like that shit?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Nick Siriani's is slowly turning into a massive.

Speaker 1 He's whatever.

Speaker 2 A massive whatever.

Speaker 1 I call it the every PFT when if the losses start happening, Nick Siriani looks different.

Speaker 1 No, there's a lot of discourse in my Eagles group chats talking about what the fuck Nick Siriani actually does on the

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that, but other people are.

Speaker 2 Is he a system head coach?

Speaker 1 I just propped up by the coordinators. It's like it's either Sean Desai's fault or Brian Johnson's fault

Speaker 1 why the offense looks bad or why the defense looks bad. What does a head coach do? Max, I have a fix for you.
So the offense looks really bad.

Speaker 1 You have a former offensive coordinator that can fix it right away. I know.
He was already asked, will there be any changes

Speaker 1 to the offensive play calling? He said no. Wait, that would be fair.
Who are you talking about? Nick Siriani said that. No, yeah, but who are you talking about who could fix it? Frank Reich? Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I was talking about Matt Patricia.

Speaker 2 No. It'd be very funny if they had Matt Patricia being offensive and defensive coordinator at the same time.
And then Nick Siriani just a guy that plays Rocky videos.

Speaker 1 Wait, so you don't want Matt Patricia to help with the offense? No. Look what he did to the defense.

Speaker 1 Defense looks like the Rocket side.

Speaker 1 You guys were being mean about the defense.

Speaker 2 So is Josh Dobbs, and he has 17 turnovers. You know who else has 17 turnovers?

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts. Oh.

Speaker 2 Tied with Josh Dobbs. Tied with Josh Allen.
Should we be keeping that same energy for Jalen Hurts that we have for Josh Allen?

Speaker 1 He's out of my top five. Oh, is he? Officially? Yep.
No longer elite? No longer elite. Top five is as follows.
Mahomes,

Speaker 1 Allen,

Speaker 1 Purdy,

Speaker 1 Lamar,

Speaker 1 Burrow.

Speaker 1 Well, no, he's hurt.

Speaker 1 He's hurt. I still take Burrow.
Baker. Tweet it.
Why did you use a six?

Speaker 1 I don't like the way you counted. I did count like that.
You counted the four, and and then you used.

Speaker 1 That was weird. That was weird.
That was really weird.

Speaker 2 If we're going just based off this week in the NFL, you have to put Baker in your top five. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You might put Drew Locke in your top five.

Speaker 1 No, Burrow's in there, but he's hurt. But think about right now.
Think about this.

Speaker 2 Drew Locke just beat a guy that's in your top five. How is he not in your top five?

Speaker 1 Well, no longer in my top five.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 because he got beaten. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hmm.

Speaker 1 We're going to make a graphic of your top five. Jalen Hurts is no longer in my top five.
It's a

Speaker 1 good graphic.

Speaker 2 Can I be honest? I I would suck a dick for Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'd do that anymore. I would maybe hand job, but suck a dick.

Speaker 2 Suck it, spit, no swallow.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, man. There's something off.
And he's got all the weapons. The offensive line is great.
It might be play calling. Maybe they just are in a rut.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 He has not looked himself this year. How many interceptions you said?

Speaker 2 Well, he has 17 turnovers.

Speaker 1 Turnovers.

Speaker 2 I don't know how that breaks down with interceptions, but yes, 17 turnovers that ties him with Josh Dobbs, Josh Allen, and Sam Howell.

Speaker 1 What if the Super Bowl was Jalen Hurts peak?

Speaker 2 It might have been. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Sometimes you don't even know that the window's closing until after it's shut.

Speaker 1 It's a real shame. I'm not

Speaker 1 going to say what I was going to say. It's like the Bears last week.
The window was open for like four days.

Speaker 1 And now it's shut.

Speaker 1 It goes by that fast. Four days and three quarters.
It goes by that fast.

Speaker 2 You're probably going to lose Kelsey in this offseason, right?

Speaker 2 He's probably going to retire.

Speaker 1 You You could lose Lane in the offseason. Lane could retire.

Speaker 1 Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham. Fletcher Cox could retire.
Brandon Graham. Jesus.

Speaker 1 I mean, Lane could retire. He was talking about retiring before last year or at the end of last year.
Big Dom. You should offer him a job.

Speaker 2 Big Dom might retire.

Speaker 1 Dude, Big Dom might retire. Big Dom's.
Big D'Am's not. No, Big Dom.
No, no, Big Dom. Big Dom's.

Speaker 1 He's dying in the streets or in jail.

Speaker 2 I mean, after

Speaker 1 jail? Well, there's only two ways we go out in this life. Not him.
He's back for the playoffs, by the way. It's only regular season suspension.
Oh, that's the second season. He might be back on.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's going to be great for momentum. Yeah, players.

Speaker 1 Huge, huge. All right.

Speaker 2 Going to Tampa Bay. You don't think that you could beat the Bucs on the road?

Speaker 1 Shut up.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to pump you up, Max. That was right.
I do think that. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 Is that a successful season?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I'm just trying to

Speaker 1 keep you in the first round of the game.

Speaker 1 One play at a time, Max. You're talking about playoffs.
I know. And you're talking like the season's over.
You're 10-4 10-4 looking at the playoffs. Oh, they did lose the must-win.

Speaker 1 They're only one of three teams in the NFL to clinch a playoff spot. You know how many teams would die to be in the playoffs right now? Loser talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a loser. I am a loser.
Everyone keeps saying loser. That's all sound out.

Speaker 1 I also would like just a clip of it.

Speaker 1 Can you say it again with the camera on you? No. Come on.
No. Please.

Speaker 1 Please.

Speaker 1 Say it. Please.
I just said it. I just said it.
I'm not

Speaker 1 sure.

Speaker 1 You just like to poke me. I'm not.
I'm just asking you to say it again.

Speaker 1 I do feel like I'm a zoo. I'm a zoo animal.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk something else.

Speaker 2 Jay, can you clean up after Max, after this is over?

Speaker 1 Richard Mendenhall had everyone talking on Twitter,

Speaker 1 X, because he basically said that white guys can't

Speaker 1 have an opinion on football anymore. I've got the direct quote here.

Speaker 2 I'm sick of average white guys commenting on football. Sounds like he's been listening to part of my take.
Yep. Y'all not even good at football.

Speaker 2 Can we please replace the Pro Bowl with an all-black versus all-white bowl so these cats can stop trying to teach me who's good at football? I'm better than your goat.

Speaker 2 He actually has a great idea. Now, the ratings for this game would be off the charts.
Off the charts. I think everybody would tune into this.

Speaker 2 The problem would be you get some people rooting just like a little bit too hard for their side.

Speaker 1 When he tweeted this, there were some people who had the all-white all-white roster way too quickly. Yeah.
Like, wait, you've been thinking about this.

Speaker 2 You've been thinking about it. Listen.

Speaker 1 He's like, here's our offensive line, and we got all the tight ends. Like, whoa, shit.
I had to think about it for a second.

Speaker 2 Offensive line would be stacked. We'd have

Speaker 2 almost all the Eagles' offensive line.

Speaker 1 I actually have a theory that Rashard Mendenhall might be.

Speaker 1 He might actually be doing this in favor of Christian McCaffrey getting the MVP. Because when he put this out there, I think we all had the same reaction.

Speaker 1 We went through it, you know, the roll of decks in your head. And, like, Christian McCaffrey is the guy you're like, yeah, we got him.

Speaker 2 Difference maker.

Speaker 1 He's literally the best player in the NFL, right?

Speaker 2 Christian McCaffrey is so good at football that he could make an all-white team beat an all-black team.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 his MVP case gets a huge bump because a bunch of white dudes are walking around on the internet being like, you forgot about Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 2 I had a different thought initially. My first thought was.

Speaker 2 Patrick Mahomes all-time quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah, both sides. Or

Speaker 2 if there's a draft, which could get very problematic very fast.

Speaker 1 Oh, the whole thing would be.

Speaker 2 Holmes goes 1-1, just not so much so that you can have him, but also so the other side can't have him.

Speaker 2 The running back position, I like our chances with McCaffrey. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Tight ends, again, I feel like we're

Speaker 2 stacked. I think Darren Waller would probably start

Speaker 1 for the black team. We'd have Kittle, Kelsey, Hawkinson,

Speaker 1 Porta.

Speaker 2 We got Taysom Hill in at fullback. Taysom Hill.
And then Tebow. Tebow would be great.
Dude, Tebow would ball out. You know who would ball out in this game would be the Bosas.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 This would be the Bosas.

Speaker 1 And Riley Cooper.

Speaker 2 Riley Cooper bring him back for one last round. We'd have to recruit Julian Edelman to come back to play one game at cornerback for us.
Yeah. Otherwise, we're fucked.
No, we need Cooper DeGene.

Speaker 2 Cooper DeGene, and there was Riley Moss, who was also cornerback at Iowa, who's on the Broncos now. We're basically playing Iowa football.

Speaker 1 We're just going to punt the ball.

Speaker 1 Cough and corner.

Speaker 2 Only fair way to do that.

Speaker 1 Kicking is a huge advantage.

Speaker 2 Not as much as you think, because I crunched the numbers. We got Justin Tucker, and then Justin Reed would be the kicker for the all-black team.

Speaker 2 He was the guy that made that field goal for the Texans in spot duty. Well, no, what about the

Speaker 1 field goals? We have the punter for the Steelers.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Harvin for the Steelers would punt. But Reed also,

Speaker 2 is it Justin or Jason Reed? One of the two. Anyways, I think he kicked a 60-yard field goal in practice for the Chiefs last year.
So he's actually pretty good. The real issue is at wide receiver.

Speaker 1 Well, no. We're

Speaker 2 pretty thin at wide receiver.

Speaker 1 The real issue is our entire secondary.

Speaker 1 It's a very fun hypothetical, and I do think people, like, the majority of the internet had fun with it. There was a few people who were like, this is offensive.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 It's a fun, stupid hypothetical that, like, you can't tell me that every NFL locker room hasn't had this debate before.

Speaker 1 Once you get to secondary, it's like, oh, man.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to control the clock. We're going to have to run the ball, run the ball, run the ball.

Speaker 1 I don't think we can be letting our defense out there for very long.

Speaker 2 That's what I mean when it comes to the wide receiver being the difference maker because they're going to have Tyreek Hill. Yeah.
And there's nobody that can guard Tyreek Hill in the NFL right now.

Speaker 2 And now we're going to have to ask

Speaker 2 a college punt returner to put the clamps on Tyreek Hill. We should have to hit him at the line.
The other solution is

Speaker 2 they have to start Kadarius Toney.

Speaker 2 And then maybe we get a couple points off an interception off a drop pass.

Speaker 1 You get pressure on the quarterback. Or just sack every play.
Yeah. Yeah, I just don't think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, our secondary would, we would over two seconds, our secondary can't hold up. Can't do it.

Speaker 1 I think you just got to play a deep, deep zone and just keep everything ahead of you and make them go down the field hoping they don't get sacked at least once.

Speaker 2 With like, we're going to have to get a lot of strip sacks. Play, yeah, play prevent defense.
And then on our defensive line,

Speaker 2 we've got a lot of good pass rushers. We got TJ Watt, both boses.
We have Max Crosby. We have Trey Hendrickson, and not a lot of interior depth.
Maybe Aiden Hutchinson can play

Speaker 1 in his position.

Speaker 1 What do we do about Vita Vey?

Speaker 2 I think there's a Samoan team as well. Okay, the Samoan team would probably win everything.
They would win everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 It was fun, though. Fun, hypothetical.
And we also had Antonio Brown. It was a day of Steelers just...
tweeting random things online. Yeah.
Antonio Brown said that hotel sex hit different.

Speaker 1 Not everywhere, nut on the TV.

Speaker 2 Everywhere. Everywhere.
As one does.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't put it past him if he was just like, hold on, babe. I'm about to nut.
Get me the TV.

Speaker 1 Take it off the wall for me.

Speaker 2 He probably watches porn and he thinks that he's actually like nutting on the person.

Speaker 1 His laptop is. POV porn.

Speaker 2 Yeah, his laptop's just covered in a thin film. Yeah.
At least it's not nutting on the remote control. Yes.
That would be worse. TV's still weird.

Speaker 1 TV is still strange. Still a little weird.

Speaker 2 But also, would you expect anything less? No. Probably nuts on the TV when he's on TV.
Yeah. Watching his old highlights of like stomping a Brown's punter out?

Speaker 2 I like the fact that the debate was brought up by Rashard Mindenhall and not, say, Toby Gerhardt

Speaker 2 or, as you said, Riley Cooper

Speaker 1 or a white guy.

Speaker 2 Will Compton. Or Will Compton initiating this debate.

Speaker 1 Will's video is very funny.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm happy to have this debate in a fun way and not in a serious way, but there's some people getting very, very serious and prideful about who would win this.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm saying they probably shouldn't ever play this game because the tailgate and fights in the stands, it would be bad.

Speaker 2 This is, if you want to destroy America, this is how you start a Civil War too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, people, and it's very funny, too, people mansplaining like two other football players. Like, how could you even entertain this debate? Yeah.
Like, someone was like, said to J.J. Watt,

Speaker 1 you're just ignoring the blatant racism for this. God forbid, a white guy stands up for himself.
And J.J. Watt was just like, dude, you don't need to be offended.

Speaker 1 He said white guys can't play football. And I looked at myself in the mirror.
I was like, wait, I can play football. He's like, he's having fun on the internet.
Yeah. Fun.

Speaker 2 I also think. Can you imagine if they did College Game Day before the game and then Lee Corso put on the mascot head?

Speaker 1 Ooh, that would be a problem.

Speaker 2 That would be very funny. Yeah.
I would like that.

Speaker 2 Can we sim this game?

Speaker 1 Can we build the rosters in Chad? Chuck is

Speaker 1 our guy, Chuck, who works here.

Speaker 1 I misread. So Chuck is actually getting married in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 And I was scrolling through Twitter this morning, and I saw Chuck's tweet saying, anybody on here good with creating custom rosters for Madden needs some help getting around salary cap issue, DMs open.

Speaker 1 So I pulled Chuck in my office, and I literally was like, dude, like, respect. Like, you're about to get married, and all you care about is your fucking Madden franchise.

Speaker 1 He's like, no, I'm trying to make the roster. Yeah, we should spend the game.
Who's on it?

Speaker 2 I think, what's the spread? I think I have.

Speaker 1 Do we call it all blacks?

Speaker 2 That's what he said. That's also the New Zealand rugby team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. A little little confusing.

Speaker 2 I'm going to take the African-American team and they're going to lay

Speaker 1 25.

Speaker 1 No, I'm going to say 14 and a half. I would say 12 and a half.
And if it gets to 14, I'm hammering the all-whites.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, I think the control the ball.

Speaker 1 Control the possession. A weakness.

Speaker 5 A glaring weakness is a glaring weakness.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, listen. And it is.
It's also might have been. I don't know how, like, that.

Speaker 5 It's like, it's all, you know, it's funny to debate and hypothetical. Maybe there's ways to scheme it, but like.

Speaker 1 It was also like, it might have also been Jason Seahorn just hitting rash mendahall up and being like here like just do this hypothetical real quick so everyone can remind everyone that i was the last white cornerback 20 years ago yeah who who's the coach i feel like belichek would be the natural fit right yeah that's basically his wide receiver room anyway i mean tomlin would would definitely

Speaker 5 tomlin mike mcdaniel yeah people forget dan campbell is it a high-scoring game it's a high-scoring game man i kind of want dan campbell if it's one game to unite all the players yeah who are they gonna listen i guess maybe Belichick, but

Speaker 2 Dan Campbell would be a good leader, I think. Just scream at it because you have to sit down before the game and be like, nobody believes in you.

Speaker 1 Right. No one.
Look at the, like, how.

Speaker 2 And do you think it'd be high scoring, Jake?

Speaker 1 I would say the total would be like 52.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so you can't

Speaker 2 say a couple things if you're talking about betting on this game.

Speaker 2 You can't say, I'm going to hammer the all-black team.

Speaker 2 And you can't say the white team wins in a shootout.

Speaker 1 Can't do that. I think you can say that.
White team wins in a shootout.

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe just delete that one.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, that's... Listen, it's all in context.
We're talking about football. Yeah, we're talking about football.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're talking about football right now.

Speaker 1 It's fun hypothetical. Men and all, out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 Men and half's got some all-time tweets, too. Yeah, he does.
Remember when Bin Laden died? And he tweeted out like, it's funny to see a lot of you guys celebrating a man's death.

Speaker 2 There's two sides to every story.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's wait for all the facts to come out on this guy, Bin Laden.

Speaker 5 Even Will, I mean, Will played in the league, so it's like people that get mad at him. It's like, I played in the league, this is what we talk about.

Speaker 5 And Men and Tal just tweeting a picture of him with the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 Actually, it wasn't a Super Bowl. Men and Hall.

Speaker 1 It was an AFC championship.

Speaker 2 People were yelling at him about, like, hey, you never know.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit, no.

Speaker 2 And then he tweeted out a picture to dunk on people of him holding the AFC championship trophy in the air.

Speaker 2 And then a lot of people were responding with his fumble in the Super Bowl, which was caused by

Speaker 2 one of the all-pro whites, Clay Matthews.

Speaker 1 Okay, the only other thing I had for

Speaker 1 before we get to Hot C Cool Throne,

Speaker 1 I got a little QB

Speaker 1 column A, column B, blind resume. You want to do it? Yeah.
Okay. You ready? First 48 career starts.
Record for QB one, 20 and 28. Record for QB2, 19-29.
Passer rating for QB1, 85.5.

Speaker 1 Passer rating for QB2, 85.4. Pretty much the same.

Speaker 1 Pass touchdowns to interception, 55 to 35, 55 to 33.

Speaker 1 Both had

Speaker 1 12,000 yards, both 6.7 yards per attempt. Okay.
Who's QB1? Who's QB2?

Speaker 2 I think they were pretty even, right? Yes. Almost exactly even.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say the two QBs,

Speaker 2 not in each order, Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 No. Okay.
Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones. But I also saw the Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields one going around, and my point is Trevor Lawrence is starting to feel the heat.
He is.

Speaker 1 He's starting to get blind resumed a lot.

Speaker 2 He is. I still think he'll be fine, but we have the expectation for Trevor Lawrence because he never lost.

Speaker 1 Never lost before. Trevor Lawrence gets the benefit of playing in Jacksonville.
Media not as harsh. And also the Jaguars are,

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm like being hurtful to Jaguars fans, a loser organization. So he gets a little bit more leeway.

Speaker 1 But once you see the blind resumes, it's like, uh-oh, here comes the narrative changing, shifting on you. It's like the first sign.

Speaker 1 If you see a random blind resume for your quarterback, you got to stop yourself and be like, wait a second,

Speaker 1 why are a bunch of accounts doing this?

Speaker 2 Why am I getting blind resumes? Yeah. Trevor Lawrence, when he was brought into the league, they asked him about playing in a small market.
He had a great answer for it.

Speaker 2 He said, actually, Jacksonville is the biggest market if you're talking about total area of the city. He's a weird dude.
It's got more miles in it than any other NFL city. He's a strange guy.

Speaker 1 He's a strange guy. Strange guy.
I think he should get a neck tattoo.

Speaker 2 Just become his brother slowly?

Speaker 1 Well, no, his brother's more like Artsy Fartsy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like an artist. Oh, you're thinking neck tattoo as in like

Speaker 2 a mechanic. Yeah.
Neck tattoo.

Speaker 2 I used to sell cars with a guy who had a neck tattoo, and his neck tattoo just said the word money on it it right across the front of his neck. I like that.

Speaker 2 That's tough if you're going to a car dealership and you're like, I hope I don't get fucked over by a salesman on this deal and he has a neck tattoo that says money going across the front.

Speaker 1 I like that a lot. I like that a lot.
But yeah, Trevor Lawrence, the first time you get blind resumed, I'm just saying,

Speaker 1 it's always the sign that something's up.

Speaker 1 It's like a squirrel with like a fluffy tail and you're like, we're going to have a bad winter. Yeah.
A blind resume is like, hey, the narrative is shifting here.

Speaker 2 He might also just need to cut his hair. Could cut his hair.
No long-haired quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl. People forget that.

Speaker 2 Also, when you're doing a blind resume, if you're doing the silhouettes with Trevor Lawrence, you can spot Trevor Lawrence right away. It's like that flow that's Trevor Lawrence.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's do Hot C Cool Throne.
We got more to talk about.

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Speaker 1 Hank, Hotsi Cultra.

Speaker 5 My Hotsi is M Rata.

Speaker 1 Okay. Bonk.

Speaker 2 Who's that?

Speaker 5 Emily Radojowski. She's an actress, podcast.

Speaker 1 Don't be dumb. Don't play dumb.
I'm not familiar with the game.

Speaker 1 She

Speaker 5 had kind of like standing courtside tickets to Knicks games wherever she wanted to go. She would get courtside tickets.
She left. They had a comeback 21-point win against the heat.

Speaker 2 Wait, she was on the wood?

Speaker 5 She was on the wood. She left in the middle of the game.
She loves touching the in the middle of a comeback.

Speaker 5 And then she tried to get tickets for Rangers' game, and she was told she could not get comp tickets.

Speaker 5 She could not get comp tickets for Rangers or Knicks games, but she could buy tickets whenever she wants.

Speaker 2 Okay, so I kind of respect James Dolan for James Dolan is petty. He's the pettiest.
He's the pettiest person in the entire world. He bans everybody.

Speaker 2 He had like facial recognition software put in on the security cameras, and then people's pictures that he had personally banned from games uploaded to the system so they'd be able to tell when they were in his building.

Speaker 2 Cat killer.

Speaker 1 Cat what? Remember?

Speaker 1 Yeah, rapper board.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. I thought you said James Dolan killed a cat.

Speaker 1 No, no, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 Not that we know of.

Speaker 5 He flipped out, though.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, and Charles Oakley. Yep.
And all of us, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So me and Big Cat were going to host a show at one of his properties in New York. Had nothing to do with the garden.

Speaker 2 And Dolan got word of it and was like, nope, they're not welcome inside these doors. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, he's a petty king.

Speaker 5 It was the thing with the stand-up trying to find a venue, too, because he owns all the places in Vegas.

Speaker 2 That's why we couldn't book the sphere. Right.

Speaker 1 There's also a chance he just might be doing like

Speaker 1 old school. Yeah, the sphere.

Speaker 5 I would just give out mushrooms to everyone.

Speaker 2 What if we got the sphere and we turned the entire picture into just that one post-workout pic of hell?

Speaker 1 Incredible. Incredible.

Speaker 1 James Dolan just might be doing like

Speaker 1 fifth grade be mean to the hot girl. thing.
Oh, yeah. Could work.
Yeah. Put gum in her hair.

Speaker 2 You're not allowed here anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry. He has a boys' club.
And now now Emratrata is like, oh, man, James Dolan.

Speaker 1 He's so mean to me. But, like, it's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Every other guy in the world is trying to get me onto their wood.
Yeah. And James Dolan is throwing me off his wood.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 2 in like a week, you have a...

Speaker 1 a walk back where you're like, you know what?

Speaker 2 We're going to unban Imrat from this building. And then it's going to be Imrat night.
And I'm going to have to host. And so I'm going to show you all around, take you on a tour of the facilities.

Speaker 1 Yeah. listen,

Speaker 1 I'm coming around a little bit on old James Dolan.

Speaker 2 He is funny, his kazoo band is not, it's not the worst kazoo band I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 1 He's one of those owners that you would never want to be your owner, but from afar, he's very funny. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Uh, then my cool throwing was it was healthy debate with the all-white versus all-black team. I also John Moran is back.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, that was going to be my

Speaker 5 I tried to find apparently, they don't have offers or like markets for NBA comeback player of the year, but

Speaker 5 I was curious if he was on there.

Speaker 2 What's he coming back from?

Speaker 2 Guns. From having a gun.
Addicted to guns.

Speaker 1 He loves guns.

Speaker 2 He does.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for him.

Speaker 5 Yeah, come back.

Speaker 2 It's a very simple process.

Speaker 2 All he has to do is not be filmed in an Instagram live holding a gun.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for him to

Speaker 1 play well,

Speaker 1 come back, everything go well.

Speaker 1 I'm I'm also kind of rooting for him to flash another gun on Instagram.

Speaker 1 It's funny. It's funny to me.
It's kind of the James Dolan thing where, like, it's kind of funny. If he just keeps going, it gets funnier and funny.

Speaker 5 Like, like a bigger gun.

Speaker 1 Right, it was like RPG.

Speaker 1 It was like, oh, this is a problem the first couple times, and then it was like, wait, he literally can't stop doing this. Now it's kind of funny.
I think I don't want anyone to get hurt.

Speaker 1 What if he just ruins it? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It would be great if he just became a big Second Amendment guy. Yeah.
And he was doing, I mean, he's already doing like the front-facing car selfie videos. Right.

Speaker 1 If he's just like, these are my rights.

Speaker 2 He openly says, like, I'm here to protect myself and my rights

Speaker 2 as the good Lord gave us in the Second Amendment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't want him shooting anyone. I don't want anyone to get hurt.

Speaker 1 I just want him to just like keep making all the NBA like writers have and like people online have a have a serious talk about John Morant holding a gun.

Speaker 2 Also, hasn't John Morant done more to raise awareness about gun safety and the dangers of gun use than every NBA player that hasn't shown a gun on Instagram live multiple times. Facts.

Speaker 2 We're having the conversation because of John Morant.

Speaker 1 We are. Also, you see the Lakers put up a

Speaker 1 banner. So that's going to be my

Speaker 2 one. So far I've had three of my hot seats cool thrown.
That's okay.

Speaker 1 That's all right.

Speaker 5 Do you have bowl game collapses on there?

Speaker 1 I had that.

Speaker 1 No. Am I right?

Speaker 2 I didn't have ODU, but I saw ODU.

Speaker 5 ODU was up 28-0 and lost.

Speaker 1 They were not only up 28-0,

Speaker 1 Western Kentucky put in their third stringers, and they blew a 28-0 lead, and then got a field goal blocked in regulation with like three minutes left.

Speaker 1 And then in overtime, ODU was on the one-yard line, couldn't score,

Speaker 1 then got a penalty. They got another field goal blocked.
It was bowl games. I might be out of bowl games.

Speaker 1 I love bowl games, and I say this, and I'll probably bet it tonight. I love bowl games, but it causes so much pain this time of year to watch these teams play.

Speaker 1 Means nothing in the swings, the ups and downs.

Speaker 1 It was quite an experience. It was like right at four o'clock when you're like, I shouldn't be watching this bowl game.
I have way too much money riding on players I don't know and transfer portals.

Speaker 1 Everyone's,

Speaker 1 I'm probably going to take,

Speaker 1 let's see, Marshall tonight.

Speaker 2 I'm in a weird situation this year where now

Speaker 2 I have a can't miss bowl game with my team for the first time ever. Yeah.
And it's happening like,

Speaker 2 what is it, Saturday? That's the 23rd.

Speaker 2 Going to be around family. They've never had to deal with the excuse of, hey, I need to be checked out of this family get-together because my team is playing in a bowl game before.

Speaker 1 Do you need them to?

Speaker 5 JMU is different, though, than work.

Speaker 1 Do you need them to talk to me?

Speaker 5 Like, at least you have to be like, it's an NFL.

Speaker 5 It's a little easier to be like on my college team, bowl game.

Speaker 1 Do you need them to talk to my entire family? Because that's all.

Speaker 2 Wisconsin games?

Speaker 1 No, every game. No, but I mean, like.

Speaker 2 Literally every game.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I can't. I'm sorry, guys.

Speaker 1 I'm gambling on a bowl game.

Speaker 2 You are a good example of like, this could be way worse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 all my memories of like this two-week stretch in the calendar is just like what bowl games happen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sorry I'm going home for only two and a half days, one of which I'm going to be watching a JMU game, and then I'm flying back on Christmas Day to do the part of my take podcast.

Speaker 2 It could be so much worse. And then just have a live stream of Big Cat just gambling the entire week.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's not a bad strategy, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, I love this time of year. I hate this time of year, but I love this time of year.
PFC, there's also NFL Saturday, so you could say it's work.

Speaker 2 There you go. NFL Saturdays work,

Speaker 2 but then now I'm going to have to go to a place that has two TVs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is going to be, I'm going to have to pull an all-time just excuse type of weekend. I'm going to have to be on my A-game.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Okay, what do you got your hot seat going through on?

Speaker 2 My hot seat is the University of Georgia because they lost star quarterback Dylan Rayola, and he committed yesterday to the University of Nebraska.

Speaker 1 So his father went?

Speaker 2 So the Cornhuskers are back. The Georgia fans didn't do a very good job of preventing his plane from taking off from Athens and flying up to Lincoln, Nebraska.

Speaker 2 So he was able to commit to Nebraska. And then he announces his intention with an all-time poem.
Did you read his poem?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was kind of like Andrew Dice Clay without any offensive things in it.

Speaker 2 You kept waiting for him to be like, oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I read it because I don't.

Speaker 2 i i thought it was a joke yeah i saw it i did too i thought it was a troll in the realm of college dreams where purpose takes flight i don't know what that means purpose taking flight yeah

Speaker 2 sounds like a sean mcvay or a sean mcdermott preseason speech enter dylan rayola crafting his narrative in the night once lured by georgia where powerhouse glory gleamed that's good alliteration right there yeah yet nebraska's purpose in his heart brightly beamed this is so like

Speaker 2 in the scarlet scarlet and cream, is that what they're called?

Speaker 1 Scarlet and cream.

Speaker 2 Nebraska's the scarlet and cream.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Are they?

Speaker 2 That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 Scarlet and cream.

Speaker 2 In the scarlet and cream, that's the cover of the Metallica Loda album. It's actually scarlet and cream.
It is cream.

Speaker 1 It's scarlet cream, gray, and lighter cream. Okay.
Lighter cream. Oh, even a lighter cream.
They got two cream.

Speaker 2 If you have two creams, you have one.

Speaker 1 It's a lot of colors of pantons. Scarlet and cream is not invoke like battle.

Speaker 2 It does not. In the scarlet and cream, where legacies entwine.
Dylan, like Rogers, Rosier, and Crouch, a hero in the line.

Speaker 2 No longer a cog in some powerhouse machine, but a quarterback with an even grander ambition unseen.

Speaker 2 What the fuck is this? So fellow fans await, with hope in the air, for Dylan to choose his purpose to declare.

Speaker 2 In a weekend's decision, destiny calls to fulfill his purpose, where a new dynasty enthralls.

Speaker 2 This sounds like a ninth-grade poetry conference.

Speaker 1 It's so crazy. A.P.
Lit. Yeah.
Analyzing all the types of poems. He's already a bust in my eyes.

Speaker 2 I also think that.

Speaker 1 I'm happy for Nebraska fans, but

Speaker 1 you can't be feeling good about that poem. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I feel like he wrote this poem using like thesaurus or not thesaurus rhymingdictionary.com to figure out what rhymes with calls to fulfill his purpose where a new dynasty enthralls.

Speaker 2 What does enthralls mean, Hank?

Speaker 5 Enthralls. It makes you curious.
It excites you. Exciting? I'm enthralled.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're enthralled. You're going to capture the fascinated attention of.

Speaker 2 Can a new dynasty enthrall?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also,

Speaker 1 a thought of a dynasty is that. How are you going to have a dynasty in today's college football? You're going to be

Speaker 1 in a transfer next year.

Speaker 2 No, that means he's got to stay for at least two seasons.

Speaker 1 I think we're doing dynasty.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was.

Speaker 1 Good for Nebraska. I'm not trying to shit on Nebraska.
I'm happy. I want Nebraska to be good.
That poem ruined it all for me. Yeah.
The minute I saw the poem, I was like, what is going on?

Speaker 2 It's a tough place. It's very corny, but that's actually good for Nebraska.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I think we're just getting old because it's like all the top recruits. Like Caleb Williams, he cries.
It's like, all this stuff is so goofy, but then it's like, he's the number one recruit.

Speaker 5 This is the number one recruit. It's so goofy, but maybe it's just us.

Speaker 2 Is he a warrior poet?

Speaker 1 I miss the days when a guy would just sit on, you know, a local telecast and do the fake, like, reach for this hat, then take the other one. That would be it.

Speaker 1 They could have just done a haiku and made it quicker. Yeah.
7-5. They could have just not done that.
They could have just said he's going to Nebraska. Everyone was excited about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he could have literally said, I want to play football for the Nebraska Cornhuskers and Matt Rule.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's

Speaker 2 actually a great poem. Yes.
Go Big Red is a perfect poem.

Speaker 1 Yes, Go Big Red. Okay, your cool throne?

Speaker 2 My cool throne is Banner Talk.

Speaker 2 Banner Talk in the NBA. The Los Angeles Lakers unveiled their in-season tournament championship banner last night.

Speaker 2 They unveiled it amongst the NBA NBA championship banners that they have hanging up at the Staples Center, whatever they called it now. It's always a staple center to me.
I'm like Bill Plaschy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Staple. I think it's crypto.

Speaker 1 Is it really? I think it's something else now. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 They changed it again.

Speaker 1 It was the crypto

Speaker 1 crypto cell?

Speaker 2 It's the Staples Center.

Speaker 1 No, it is crypto. Yeah.
The heat changed there. Crypto.com.
A crypto type.

Speaker 2 So a lot of people are talking about whether or not there should be a banner, whether or not it should be unveiled in season, whether or not the in-season tournament should be something to to be this proud of.

Speaker 2 I actually have a solution for this because I think that if you're Adam Silver, you want your players to celebrate the in-season tournament because then it means next year's in-season tournament will be taken more seriously.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 There should just be one banner.

Speaker 2 And the team that wins it should get to have it in their arena for the remainder of that year into next year where they have to give it up and another team then gets to possess that banner.

Speaker 2 Because you can't have like every NBA team eventually having an in-season tournament. Banners, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's also good for the league that the Lakers won the first one because if it was the Pacers that won the first one, then next year, if there's a team that's historically not great that wins it, then it's almost like you don't want to win.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It becomes like a joke of a banner.
But having just one banner that gets passed around, I think, is the way out of this one.

Speaker 1 I think it should just be like a

Speaker 1 banner. It should be like a large patch.
That way, if you do win the actual title, you can put the patch on the real banner. Okay.
So it's like almost like a Girl Scout. Yeah, I like that.
Just adding

Speaker 1 some flair.

Speaker 2 Or you get it on your jersey. Yeah.
You get to wear the patch on your jersey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like something like that. Because it shouldn't be a full banner.

Speaker 1 That was the only thing I didn't like. Banners are banner.
Like, those should be raised for real reasons.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're retiring a number or you win a title, this one should be, or if you're the Colts and you finished, you know, second in the AFC South.

Speaker 1 Those are the type of things you raise banners for. This should be like a patch that can be added to a banner.

Speaker 2 So every team has a banner, and then you have to earn the patches?

Speaker 1 Every team should actually raise a banner for where they finish in that season, and then you add a patch if you won the in-season tournament.

Speaker 2 Actually, what about this?

Speaker 1 It would be funny if you had to raise like a last place, like the Pistons had to raise like a six-win banner.

Speaker 2 I like where you're at in terms of shaming teams for not being well.

Speaker 2 What if every team that didn't win had to raise a banner that said NBA in-season tournament loser?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's a picture of Max's face. Yeah.
He says, I am a loser.

Speaker 2 Yeah, every team, the winner doesn't even get anything. You just get the right to not have a loser banner.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 2 I like that too. Yeah.
Or just a giant L.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I think we just solved it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Shaming teams should be more in vogue.

Speaker 1 Like the Pistons next year should have to raise a banner being like, we won four games.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, a banner at the end of the day is a participation trophy that you get for not winning. Right.

Speaker 1 Right. I also shouldn't talk about the Pistons because you know, fun fact.
Not losing. The Pistons have been over 500 for more days this year than the Bulls.

Speaker 1 I think it's like two days. The Pistons beat the Bulls to go to 2-1, and the Bulls were 1-2.

Speaker 1 I don't think the Pistons have won since.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they haven't. What are they, 24?

Speaker 1 24-game losing streak? 2-25. 2-25.
Really? They're technically 2-1.

Speaker 2 The Wizards owe the Pistons a giant thank you card. Giant thank you card.
It's like you don't have to be faster than the Tiger.

Speaker 2 You just have to be faster than the guy that's running against you against the tiger.

Speaker 1 Did you see that Jordan Poole highlight the other night?

Speaker 2 It's awesome. Jordan Poole, listen, buying league pass this year for Wizards highlights has been the best investment of my life.

Speaker 1 Jordan Poole, for people who missed it,

Speaker 1 there was like 40 seconds left and he was going to chuck up a three. He flopped after the chucked up three, like trying to get a call, no call.

Speaker 1 Then the Wizards stole the ball back. He got the ball back like three seconds later and then slipped where he had flopped and fallen down on the floor.
And it was like instant karma. Bony.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. My hot seat is us.

Speaker 1 Boys, we've done it again. Swifties are back after us.
So this comes from TikTok user

Speaker 1 bookb Danny.

Speaker 1 Shout out. She's a listener.
She's AWL. I'll take AWLs anyway they come.
So she had this analysis of our discussion about Taylor Swift and the F-word on Monday's show. I'll play it for you.

Speaker 1 This is from her TikTok. I showed Taylor Swift up in the box, and

Speaker 1 Loudly. Yep.
And you have to wonder: is that the kind of girl that we want as the face of the NFL? Nope. I don't think so.
Yeah, as a father of a Swift, yeah, I think I'm gonna have to ban it now.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's disgusting. My son did actually say fuck it the other day, and I had to, I had him tell me it again because I wanted to laugh, and then I was like, don't ever fucking say that.

Speaker 7 I have no words. Absolutely no words for this.
I like, if I even have to explain why that was so disgustingly misogynistic and hypocritical and double standard, I have no hope for humanity.

Speaker 2 Okay, first of all, if she has to even explain. First of all, it's miscegenic.
Yeah. And right off the bat, you're telling me not very educated, mispronouncing that word.

Speaker 2 Second of all, she didn't really refute our point.

Speaker 1 No, she didn't. Which is that Taylor Swift

Speaker 2 Taylor Swift taught your son how to use the F-word. And now your son is probably going to get kicked out of preschool.
Yep. And it's because of Mrs.
Swift.

Speaker 1 Yes. She's a bad example for all of us.
Miss Swift. It also was very funny that she

Speaker 1 listened to that as it was dead serious and then heard me tell a story about my son saying the F-word and me saying I had to have him repeat it so I could laugh and then told him to never fucking do it again.

Speaker 1 And she couldn't connect the two. Right.

Speaker 1 That was really galaxy brain shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, listen.

Speaker 1 She was like, I'm going to take them seriously here,

Speaker 1 and then I just,

Speaker 1 wow.

Speaker 2 The NFL,

Speaker 2 they cannot deal with the face of the league saying cuss words. No.
Yeah, the NFL, The Shield, is about more than that. It's about integrity.

Speaker 2 It's about covering up concussion usage, and it's about a lot of other stuff. But it's not about swearing in front of kids.
That's a bad example for the children.

Speaker 2 I think that Taylor Swift should be banned. from all NFL games.
Yes. And broadcasts.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Until she goes to rehab to try to get off her addiction to cussing.

Speaker 1 And there was some people in the comments saying, like, oh, but Mahomes swears. I've never seen him swear.
I've never seen Patrick. I've never seen him swear.
Never. I've never seen a coach swear.

Speaker 1 There's no room for swearing in sports.

Speaker 2 Listen, watch hard knocks and you watch how the coaches talk to their players. Right.
They're setting a good example. They're trying to teach them the power of positive reinforcement.

Speaker 2 There's no shaming. That's why we like watching that stuff.
And the NFL, it's the one place in America that we can go to escape the Taylor Swifts of the world.

Speaker 2 They should slap the parental advisory stick.

Speaker 2 She should have to get a parental advisory tattoo on her arm until she can prove to herself and to us and to children that she's a good role model.

Speaker 1 I can't even, I don't, I don't have to. I don't even.

Speaker 1 Like, don't even make me explain why her saying the F-word is problematic. I can't, I don't want to do it.

Speaker 2 Do you know what the F-word stands for in the history of the F-word?

Speaker 2 I can't.

Speaker 1 I don't even want to do it.

Speaker 2 If you don't know already, then I don't have the energy to explain that to you for free.

Speaker 1 yeah do you know how many people have been f-worded

Speaker 1 a lot yeah you see listen f-wording is trauma right

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 because the world is overpopulated and guess how all these people have gotten here

Speaker 2 f-wording

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 there was a guy in germany that rose to power in the 1920s and 30s and he was there because his parents f-worded

Speaker 1 global warming global warming well no taylor swift doesn't care about that. She has a private chat.
True. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm okay with the private chat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I am too.
Go on, Queen.

Speaker 2 Be mother.

Speaker 2 We're actually, we're the biggest Taylor Swift fans in existence because we want Taylor to succeed, and she's got a bunch of cronies out there that apologize and make excuses for her foul language and her potty mouth.

Speaker 2 And all we want Taylor to do is to be a great role model because she's, honestly, she's better than that. Do you know what it is? It's like, if I'm not trying to tell Taylor Swift what to do,

Speaker 1 She's a grown-ass woman. She can slay queen all she wants.
What I'm trying to say is there is no place for swearing at a football game in the stands.

Speaker 1 Like, come on. And this is a place where people are supposed to come together and sport, enjoy each other.
Like you see like Cowboys and Eagles fans hand in hand watching their teams go.

Speaker 1 And at the end of the game, they shake hands and they say, great game, fella. And they walk away.
Yeah. That's what happens.

Speaker 2 Did you see the army navy game yeah those guys at the end of the day they're all for a common goal they don't they don't hate each other going into the game they're there to watch good football and not only is it the cussing but it's also the alcohol use that taylor swift has brought into football they made a point of not showing fans ever consuming alcohol on screen at NFL games until Taylor Swift gets up there with her crayon soda and she's just she's slurping it down for all of America to see now all of her kids are walking and be like oh I want to drink they think it's called a Taylor Swift they think that drinking is called, oh, I'm swifting.

Speaker 2 No, it's not, okay? And it's not fun. And millions of people die every year because of alcohol.

Speaker 2 And to have Taylor Swift glorifying that and swearing on national TV in the same season, I just think she's so much better than that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, is she though? I don't even want to talk about it. I don't want to explain it if she is or not.

Speaker 2 We don't have the words. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Make sure you clip all this so that we can put it out. Last thing about this.

Speaker 1 I really just love the idea that maybe this woman listens and she's like, got him again.

Speaker 1 Or, got him again.

Speaker 2 She might be doing a double troll on him. Oh, that thought occurred to me this morning when I watched it a second time, and I was like, maybe she's just like the biggest AWL of all.

Speaker 1 Oh, so far in on it.

Speaker 2 Touche.

Speaker 1 And she's fucking hats off. The comments, I feel like it's more likely than that.

Speaker 5 Because who's like, if it's one thing when people see clips, like the whole, the whole first thing happened because of a clip.

Speaker 5 And that, with algorithms and stuff, it might just get fed to you if you're not a fan. If you're listening to a podcast feed the way that she was in the video,

Speaker 5 how do you get there if you don't understand satire?

Speaker 1 Do we make a clip of it?

Speaker 5 The best. No, she was the video she had was her.
Yeah, she's yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 So it wasn't taken. She didn't like

Speaker 1 across the context. I think it's more likely that she's there.
Trolling us.

Speaker 5 It's more likely than that than her listening and not understanding satire, right?

Speaker 1 But I listened, I watched her other videos. I don't.

Speaker 1 Maybe someone sent it to her.

Speaker 5 That was my takeaway. Was like, it's one, the first thing, if it's a clip, that happens.
Clips get taken out of context all the time. That's that's social media.

Speaker 5 But to be on listening as if she was listening to it regularly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then to Big Cat's point was like, gotcha.

Speaker 2 If she was actually trolling us, I would want to maybe hire her.

Speaker 2 Because I think that would be a very funny addition to the show to have somebody whose entire job is to get pissed off at things that we say out of context and to go viral being like, these guys are the worst.

Speaker 2 That would be the best marketing we could ever have.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait. Dave did just chime in.
I love it. He all the comments section was like being like, I can't believe Dave hired, like, employs these guys.
He's got to comment on it.

Speaker 1 He literally just treated Pervert My Take back up to their usual misogynistic fix. It's crazy how threatened they are by females watching football.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is great. It's so great.
Pervert my take, huh? Pervert my take.

Speaker 2 Hard on my take.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, the F-word. Not here.
Not now. Not ever.
Agreed.

Speaker 5 He loves Pervert My Take.

Speaker 1 Loves it. He thinks it's the funniest thing ever.
Did he come up with that? Yeah. But all you got to do is hit him back with the Davey Democrat, and he'll shut up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Dave, I regret to inform you that Dave Portnoy has gone woke.

Speaker 1 Davey Democrat trying to police language yet again.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is sad.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait. I have a cool throne.
No, I don't. It was Nebraska.
Dylan Riola.

Speaker 2 We all just took each other's

Speaker 1 repeatedly. Yeah, we did.
Jake. My hot seat is the mayor of New York City.
Yes. Yeah.
Eric Adams. This guy's quite something.

Speaker 2 I think I love this guy now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he was asked on Pixel Even local news, describe 2023 in one word.

Speaker 9 Every day you wake up. Mr.

Speaker 2 Mayor, we've come to the end of what was a very eventful 2023, right?

Speaker 2 So when you look at the totality of the year, if you had to describe it, and it's tough to do, in one word, what would that word be and tell me why?

Speaker 1 New York.

Speaker 9 This is a place where every day you wake up, you could experience everything from a plane crashing into our trade center to a person who's celebrating a new business that's open.

Speaker 9 This is a very, very complicated city, and that's why it's the greatest city on the globe.

Speaker 1 Mr. Mayor, so that's quite a take.
No reason why I need to add that he's on the hot seat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. Multiple words.
This is just kind of

Speaker 1 new.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's like Eric Adams is not on the hot seat because this is kind of what Eric Adams is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he's just basically a guy that seems like he has a head injury that gets paraded in front of the media every now and again and just says, like, you know, I think a lot of things are true at the same time in this city, and you have to appreciate all points of view.

Speaker 2 Thank you. This has been Mayor Adams.
That's kind of what he does.

Speaker 1 Quite a quote. I mean, cheering on a business.
Mask death. Plane goes into the towers.
One in the same. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's what makes this city great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You take the good with the bad.

Speaker 8 Two words for a one-word answer.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You don't really have to do anything to be mayor of New York.
That's what I've realized from living there. Because everyone's going to hate you no matter what.

Speaker 2 So the best strategy is to just not do anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not even live there. Yeah.
Didn't Eric Adams not live there? He lived in New Jersey. Yeah, he had like a fake apartment in Brooklyn.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think I would be a great mayor of New York. I think I really would.
I wouldn't do shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to just be like,

Speaker 1 you know, a couple free concerts here and there. Maybe

Speaker 1 some kind of new like drone robot police dog.

Speaker 5 Yeah. They hire an exterminator for like 200K.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would hire on the rats.
I would get like robo

Speaker 2 on the rats i would get robo robo cop to patrol the sewers yeah and just destroy all the i would probably bring it what eats rats snakes i would just dump rats eat i would dump cheese i would dump a fuckload isn't that obvious

Speaker 1 i would dump a fuckload of snakes into the sewers and be like solve the rat problem yeah then i would build a beach on the hudson river and be like go to the beach it's fun now new york has everything no i'd build a i would i would put a bunch of a shitload of snakes into the uh sewer system get all the rats and then i would get all the irish people to dress up in kilts and then go beat the snakes off the island.

Speaker 1 And then we have St. Patrick's Day 2.

Speaker 2 I think no matter what in New York, it's impossible to have an approval rating as merit of like over 50%. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, that's.

Speaker 5 Unless the teams are winning.

Speaker 1 Someone has to do the job. Yeah, but they don't.
I know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ever.

Speaker 1 It's kind of crazy at this point.

Speaker 2 Do you think if the Yankees

Speaker 5 people loved him because it was like the Yankees.

Speaker 1 The peak of New York sports in the last five years was that DeVito and Zach Wilson won offensive player of the week at the same week. Is that their joke?

Speaker 2 I think so.

Speaker 2 Two teams of City. Oh, Judge 6.
Oh,

Speaker 2 hang the banner, Jake. Jeez.

Speaker 1 Wow,

Speaker 2 the OECD home run champion.

Speaker 1 Officially is not. Okay, what's your cool throne? My cool throne is my alma mater, Syracuse football.
They are having arguably the best offseason in all of college football.

Speaker 1 What about Kyle McCord?

Speaker 2 Okay, what about Nebraska?

Speaker 1 Okay, but is it, is it... Now, this is a

Speaker 1 debate that we're going to have in the transfer portal. Is a player who's not good good because he went to a better team? Well,

Speaker 1 I think people are trashing Kyle McCord because he had Ohio State standards. At Syracuse, if you go 9-3, that's amazing.
You know, he wasn't good, though. But he went 11-1.

Speaker 1 Yeah, their defense did very well, and

Speaker 1 he wasn't good.

Speaker 1 Marvin Harrison. great player,

Speaker 1 exciting. Again, Syracuse standards.
Okay. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 2 are you excited about this being the best offseason because you've got a player who used to be highly recognized?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know his name. Yeah, five-star.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we got a five-star guy. Yeah, that's fair.
If you're Syracuse, you should celebrate this, but Jake, we are. I don't know if you should say that you've had the best offseason of any program.

Speaker 2 In my book. Okay, yeah, you can have a book.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You can have a book.
Yeah, no, there's been some teams. I will not have a book.
Emma literally has everyone.

Speaker 2 Come to the sip.

Speaker 1 You're fucking killing it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Should we get to our interview? We've got, let's start with Colt McCoy, and then we have Sean Stilato in studio.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Colt McCoy.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is longtime quarterback in the NFL, Texas legend, Colt McCoy.
We thought it'd be perfect.

Speaker 1 Get you on, talk a little NFL, talk a little college football,

Speaker 1 and let's start there.

Speaker 1 Is Texas back?

Speaker 11 Hey, I tell you what, it's been fun to watch them this year because they've won a lot of close games. And then, you know, you always want to play good down the stretch.

Speaker 11 And, you know, games that we felt like they probably should have blown the guys out they you know maybe struggled with but they ultimately found a way to win and towards the end of the season i i told everyone around me like these guys are playing great the iowa state game you know on the road that kind of was a trap game you know came back home handled texas tech played good in the big tolls i mean they're just they're trending up in my opinion yeah and that's a that's a great place to be Yeah, and on the other side, you've got Alabama also trending up.

Speaker 2 Have you allowed yourself, you can't look ahead, can't look past any opponents.

Speaker 2 Have you allowed yourself to think about potential revenge game rematch Alabama, Texas in the national championship game?

Speaker 11 My mind hasn't gone there fully yet, but that would be awesome.

Speaker 1 That would be incredible.

Speaker 11 I think for the fans, I think for

Speaker 11 everybody in Texas,

Speaker 11 we felt good going into that game back in 2009.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you wouldn't have ended.

Speaker 11 But for now, it's like, got to get through Washington, but that would be awesome. I mean, it would be, and it'd be in our backyard, right? They're right there in Houston.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You had a great team back then.
I was in Austin Austin at the time. I remember how electric the feeling was in Texas for that little run.

Speaker 2 But are you ready and at a point in life to admit that the clock operator screwed up when you were playing against Nebraska and that you shouldn't have had time left to kick a field goal?

Speaker 2 Can we say that for all the Nebraska fans out there, the Huskers? Do you apologize to them?

Speaker 11 The amount of Nebraska teammates I've had throughout my career in the NFL that won't look at me the first time they see me is it's a high number.

Speaker 11 The Will Comptons of the the world, yes. Um, but I think, I think we all learned you know, the ball has to hit the ground for the clock to stop, right?

Speaker 11 And I got lucky that the ball hit whatever it was, the side of the bleachers or the ground, or

Speaker 11 you know, I would, I wouldn't have been able to tell you that rule before. You know, if they tell you to throw the ball away, they say, you know, throw it in the nickel seats or, or whatever.

Speaker 11 Now, now everybody knows when the ball hits the ground, that's when the clock stops or whatever.

Speaker 1 How, how, more importantly, from that game, how scary was Nadama Dassu

Speaker 1 and going up against him? Because that was a season that he should have won the Heisman. He was like the best player in college football by a large margin.

Speaker 1 But going up against him, like he dominated that game. He dominated every game he played in.
Was it scary going up against him, being like, there's nothing my guys can do in front of me?

Speaker 1 I just know that at least like five or six times, I'm going to have to have him running after me a game.

Speaker 11 Yeah. You know, we had played pretty good that year.

Speaker 11 We were actually, in my opinion, better in 2008 than we were in 2009. But in 2009, it was like there's a lot of new players, a lot of young receivers,

Speaker 11 but we found ways to win. And leading into that game, we had been playing good.
We blew out A ⁇ M the week before.

Speaker 11 And we all heard about in Dominican Sue, right? You hear about him all year, but you don't really know. how good he was until you got out on the field and played against him.

Speaker 11 And we tried to double team him. It wasn't working.

Speaker 11 they were they were constantly in the backfield but if you did double team him you know his running buddy jared crick on the other side was like making plays too right so i mean their their defensive game plan against us that day we we couldn't do anything um we dropped a couple touchdowns early in the game that would have made a big difference but you know we got the ball late and found a way to go down and get a field goal and and sneak out of there but that was not a fun game i promise yeah they beat you up pretty good in that game i remember watching it uh going back to just growing up with the name Colt McCoy,

Speaker 2 did you know from a young age that your parents just wanted you very much to be a quarterback?

Speaker 11 Well, I was fortunate because

Speaker 11 my dad was my high school football coach, right? We lived in small towns out in West Texas and

Speaker 11 having him as my coach was awesome, right?

Speaker 11 And so I didn't know if I was ever going to have the chance to go play college football. In fact, I didn't get recruited till very, very late.
I thought I was going to go play college basketball.

Speaker 11 That's what I wanted to do.

Speaker 11 And then we had a pretty good team at my small West Texas high school.

Speaker 11 And we won a bunch of games kind of my junior and senior year. And like right before my senior year started, I ended up going to one of those one-day mini camps that

Speaker 11 schools have now, or they did back then. And kind of started on the side of the field where, you know, it was just kind of not that great of players.

Speaker 11 And then by the end of the day, you kind of end up in the section where there's the good players. And all of a sudden, people are like, where are you from? What's your name?

Speaker 11 And that's kind of how it happened. I got recruited late and kind of snuck into UT.
I think everybody was disappointed. They didn't get Ryan Peralu or Mark Sanchez.

Speaker 11 Those were the two guys in my class.

Speaker 11 And then I, you know, the best thing that ever happened to me was I redshirted

Speaker 11 and was able to sit. in the meetings and be at practice and run scout team the year that we won the national championship in 05 with Vince Young.

Speaker 11 And then, you know, and then I had to earn my way after that. You fought off competition every year at UT.
It's how it is, and ended up getting to play for four years, which has been a huge blessing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just remember seeing the name Colt McCoy, and I thought to myself, it's just that man's destiny that he's the starting quarterback at the University of Texas.

Speaker 2 You can't have Colt McCoy on your roster and be like, I think that's QB2. I know you earned it, but the name alone, that was,

Speaker 2 you were always going to be the quarterback.

Speaker 1 Was it a nickname that was given to you? Because your real name's Dan. I didn't know you were allowed to do that.
My name's Dan.

Speaker 11 No, it's my middle name, but I've always, for whatever reason, everyone in my family has gone by their middle names, all the guys in my family.

Speaker 1 Smart, I don't know. I didn't know I was allowed to do that.
I would have been a Colt. Yeah, everybody.
Fuck, like, Colt is so sick.

Speaker 2 Colt is an all-time name. Just a good guy.
You can't be mad at Colt. That's just Colt being Colt.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hey, are you, are you officially retired?

Speaker 11 You know,

Speaker 11 after last season, I ended up, I had an elbow surgery and I fought through it, man.

Speaker 11 I worked hard. I, you know,

Speaker 11 OTAs and training camp, like, I managed it and things. And when I got released by the Cardinals, I've just, it's just, it's not at the point where I feel like really good about it.

Speaker 11 You know, I'm working through it. You know, I certainly have had opportunities and taken a lot of calls,

Speaker 11 but I just, it's just still bothering me, dude. So we'll see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you are a quintessential, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way because being in the NFL for as long as you are like very hard to do, but you are the quidessential like guy who can go win us a game.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, let's give Colt McCoy a call. Like, if he, if like in a pinch, he can go win you a game.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I appreciate that. You know, I, I had certainly had a lot of opportunities in the NFL my whole time, played 14 years.

Speaker 11 Um, you know, you know, sort of my Achilles Hill has been when I've had the opportunity to kind of like grab it by the reins. I've had an injury.
I've gotten hurt. Yeah.
Um, which is frustrating.

Speaker 11 Um, and this, this last time, dude, I was um fighting and fighting and fighting. And it's just these elbows are nagging, man.

Speaker 11 They, you know, you I understand the game at this point, 14 years in, kind of what it takes, you know, for me, for my family. And, you know, I certainly would love to get back in.

Speaker 11 I just, my elbow is not feeling great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 2 Did it was one of those calls that you got this year from a team that's in New York and wears green?

Speaker 11 Yeah, that was, that was early on, right? Like that, that happened. You know, golly, what a bummer.
I'm, I'm, I'm a huge Aaron Rodgers fan.

Speaker 11 I mean, like, you've just, the whole time I've been in the NFL, like, I've had the chance to watch him play against him.

Speaker 11 Um, and golly, like, what a, what a bummer that was, you know, a couple plays in or whatever, uh, for that to happen to not only him, but to the Jets, right? Labor,

Speaker 11 that was going to be a cool story.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So this year in the NFL feels like we've had a lot of injuries, a lot of backup quarterbacks.
You've, you've backed up some guys. You've obviously started a lot of games.

Speaker 1 What's the one thing that we don't understand about being a backup quarterback that like

Speaker 1 when a guy comes in and

Speaker 1 isn't successful right away and we shit on him, like we've got it wrong? Because I think maybe even it's just not getting the snaps,

Speaker 1 how much that actually matters. Like how much does that actually matter if you're not getting first team reps in training camp? You know, as the season starts, then you're just thrust in there.

Speaker 11 Yeah. I mean, listen.
Everyone thinks being a backup quarterback is a glorious job, right? You get paid and you don't have to play much. You don't have to put your body through the ringer.

Speaker 11 And, you know, that is a lot of that is true. You know, everybody wants to play though, right? And so I think for me,

Speaker 11 you know, the years that I've been a backup in the NFL, it's just you, you, you work hard, like you work harder. You're there earlier, you're there later because you're,

Speaker 11 you know, I used to always like to give, you know, whoever the starter was, like a lot of my notes, like things that I've...

Speaker 11 the extra time that I've put in, like, I see them doing this on these situations, right? And that helped the guy in front of me, but that also helped me, right?

Speaker 11 Because you never know at what point you're going to get put in. And I always wanted to be the guy that if I was put in that situation, like everybody knew I was ready to go.

Speaker 11 And, you know, that's, that's not easy to do. It requires a, it requires a lot.
And I think you look across the league, there's some guys who are doing it really well right now, right?

Speaker 11 Jake Browning in Cincinnati, like, coming off the bench and playing as well as he has. Gardner Minshew in Indy, like he's, he's put together some really nice games.
And, you know, it's,

Speaker 11 it's a, it's a, it's a tribute to them and how hard they've worked and sort of their career path to kind of just figure out how to be in that role.

Speaker 11 You know, a lot of it is, you know, I would say one of the most important things across the league is like, how, how good is your quarterback room, right?

Speaker 11 Like from a, from a like just everyday standpoint. Are you boys? Like, do you trust each other? Like, is there, there's a camaraderie in there, right?

Speaker 11 And those rooms that seem to have that are the teams that seem to be pretty good. And a lot of that has to do with the backup quarterback.

Speaker 11 Like you want to, you want to bring value to the room based on your knowledge, based on your skill set, but you're, you're there to help.

Speaker 11 You're an extra set of eyes for the offensive coordinator during the game. You know, you're, you're the one talking to the quarterback in game, like adjustments, all that.
So

Speaker 11 I loved being in that position. We all wanted to play, but I, I got to see it in a lot of different rooms.
I learned a lot of different offenses.

Speaker 11 I kind kind of looked at it as another arrow in my quiver every time I learned a new system. And, dude, I just love the game, right? I'm bummed that I'm not out there, but at the same time,

Speaker 11 I count my blessings for 14 years.

Speaker 2 Yeah, get that elbow right. We might see it back out there again.
What's the best room that you've ever been a part of over your career?

Speaker 11 Oh, man.

Speaker 11 I've been in a lot. I would say the best dude who made

Speaker 11 the biggest difference for me was my rookie year in Cleveland, Jake DeLong.

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 11 Jake was uh

Speaker 11 really, really talented quarterback, obviously. Went to a Super Bowl, should have won a Super Bowl against New England, right? Late in his career, he gets scooped up by the Browns.
He's the starter.

Speaker 11 Um, you know, I end up, he gets an ankle sprain. I ended up being thrust into there like week four or five of my rookie year.

Speaker 11 And I played good my rookie year, but a lot of it had to do with him and just he seen the game, he played in NFL Europe, the stories he could tell,

Speaker 11 the kind of guy that he was.

Speaker 11 And for me,

Speaker 11 you know, I never dreamed of going to the NFL.

Speaker 11 So I was like, well, I'm going to, I'm going to, if I ever get in a position like Jake is, where like I'm a starter and I lose my job, like I'm going to act the exact same way Jake acted with class, with character.

Speaker 11 He's helpful. And if he's not on the field, he's bringing value.
in so many other ways to the entire football team.

Speaker 2 And his sportsmanship, he's a very cool guy.

Speaker 12 Jake is awesome. Awesome, dude.

Speaker 11 Awesome. Sometimes you can't understand him.
He's got that Louisiana Cajun vibe to him. Like,

Speaker 11 you're like, what did you just say?

Speaker 1 But, like, he's awesome.

Speaker 2 It's funny. You were talking about how you can ingratiate yourself into a quarterback room as a backup.

Speaker 2 We were talking to Chase Daniel last year, and he said his move was to always go in and buy the most expensive espresso machine coffee maker possible and then bring that in.

Speaker 2 And then that upgrades the room. But everyone's like, shit, Chase just upgraded our room with a piece of hardware and now everybody likes him.
Would you like come in first day?

Speaker 2 Hey, here's a bunch of donuts, bringing breakfast for everybody. Did you have a move?

Speaker 11 I mean,

Speaker 11 that's a veteran move by Chase for sure.

Speaker 11 You know,

Speaker 11 one of the things I started doing late in my career, you know, was I would sit down, you know, I would run the scout team, right? Or most of the time. And

Speaker 11 I would meet with the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 11 going into the week like, hey, I don't think that this pressure is going to work or I don't think, you know, this this coverage, like it's too, it's easy to see. Like, you're not confusing me at all.

Speaker 11 Like, I know exactly where to go with the ball, you know, and so there was, there was a lot of good dialogue late in my career, you know, and I felt like I added a lot of value that way, that I was, you know, able to give some good feedback to coordinators.

Speaker 11 And I learned a lot of defense that way too, like rules and responsibilities of, you know, secondary players, rushers.

Speaker 11 And so it's just, you know, I think, I think being in that role, you always have to get yourself ready to play. That's the most important thing.

Speaker 11 But then it's like, okay, if I'm going to be here 12 hours a day, like away from my family, grinding all the time, extra, like I'm going to actually learn things that have value and they're going to help me, you know, forever, right?

Speaker 11 How I see the game, how I watch a game, how I can, you know, coaches call all the time. Like, how do you, how can you talk their language? Like, that's the things that I really tried to.

Speaker 2 to bring value in.

Speaker 2 Yeah, with a scout team, that's interesting to me hearing a backup talk about that because I always always imagine like a scout team quarterback doing method acting, going to that week, like, oh, I got to be Lamar Jackson this week in practice.

Speaker 2 So you get real stretched out, you start running.

Speaker 2 How much would you adapt your game to whichever quarterback you were trying to simulate?

Speaker 11 That's a great point.

Speaker 11 The weeks that we would play Lamar Jackson, they'd definitely insert like a receiver who was going to juke people and just sit back and watch.

Speaker 11 But the weeks they would, you know, play a more heavy pass game, like you, you would enjoy those weeks because it's like you're going to see a lot of different coverages.

Speaker 11 You know, you're going to, you're going to be able to give good feedback on, you know, how, how you can, you know, make decisions.

Speaker 11 Is it, you know, a lot of post-snap reads, like, how did my eye see it? Just little things like that.

Speaker 11 So,

Speaker 11 dude, I, yeah, I miss the NFL, man. The competitive environment, there's nothing like it.
But, you know, I just having a hard time with.

Speaker 11 you know, just, you know, you know what you need to feel like to go out and play. And, you know, we're getting there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 One of the weirdest stories i read about you was that time jay grudin said that you drank a gallon of milk a day do you remember that um you came out and clarified afterwards that you drank a gallon of milk like every five or six days but i think that if someone says you drink a gallon of milk a day that kind of implies you drink a way too much milk so do you drink too much milk

Speaker 1 he was talking about raw milk wasn't he raw milk yeah right up right yeah i think he even called it the teat straight from the source yeah he couldn't he forgot the word for utter did you have a cow that you would go visit every morning?

Speaker 2 Just lay down underneath?

Speaker 11 That's like a, that's a sticky world you start talking about.

Speaker 1 You know, there's, there's a lot of rules and regulations.

Speaker 11 I, I grew up, you know, um, my grandparents had a farm and we were kind of always in and out helping, spending summers out there.

Speaker 11 And, you know, they, they, we had dairy cows for a little bit growing up. So we always drank raw milk.
And, you know, as I, as I got older, it was kind of the running joke. I drink a lot of milk.
And

Speaker 11 I think he walked down into the cafe one morning. I had like, I might have brought like a jug of raw milk to work or something, something random.
And he was like, what are you drinking?

Speaker 11 And I said, you know, milk. He's like, what kind of milk? And it was like in one of those glass jars or whatever.
He's like, this is like real milk. Is this like from the, like, this raw?

Speaker 11 And we just kind of had some banter going back and forth. And, you know, all of a sudden he's like, can't believe it.
He's talking about it. I'm letting him try it.
And,

Speaker 11 you know, that story kind of ran wild.

Speaker 1 wild yeah it did but you drink a lot of milk yeah of course how much

Speaker 11 i i would say probably like a gallon right now like a gallon a week probably like and my kids drink a lot of milk how many glasses a day probably a glass a big glass for breakfast and a big glass for dinner oh a lot of milk you drink milk with dinner i like that harbaugh does that too yeah hey i i

Speaker 11 think it's a i think it's a product of kind of like where you grew up texas thing i don't know strong bones yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't hate it. There's worse things that your quarterback could be known for.
Is that milk than milk?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, this is coffee.

Speaker 1 That would have been awesome if you were just like, yeah, I don't drink that much milk. You're just sipping on a little milk at like noon.
I saw

Speaker 2 you addicted to milk. Yeah, I saw you drink out of a styrofoam cup.
I was like, is that some he's sipping on the lean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think you should be ashamed, by the way. I feel like milk gets shamed.
It's like mayo and milk gets shamed. Milk is delicious.

Speaker 11 Since when was milk bad for you?

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 11 Milk's been good my whole life.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It lets cows grow big and strong. Yeah.
I want to be stronger like bull, right?

Speaker 1 We're milk boys for sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, actually, me and Big Cat had a thing where

Speaker 2 we would take a personal gallon of milk around with us and then just chug it until we threw up. That was pretty much the end of the pit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was a short-lived pit. Yeah.

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Speaker 2 I want to ask you another question about Jay Gruden because I...

Speaker 11 I love Jay, man. He's one of my favorites of all time.

Speaker 2 I like him too. I'm a Redskins football team Commanders fan, whatever the next name is.
I'll be a fan of that too. And when you were on the team, I always felt like you got a little bit of a raw deal.

Speaker 2 I felt like Colt McCoy should have gotten a chance, an opportunity to be the starting quarterback. You filled in nicely in some spots.
I remember you had a big win in Dallas. That was an awesome game.

Speaker 2 But I always thought that you should have had the opportunity to see if you could be the full-time start of the team. Do you feel like you ever really got that opportunity there?

Speaker 11 Yeah, you know, I think the hard part there was like Robert Griffin won rookie of the year, you know, the year before I got there.

Speaker 11 he certainly established himself as the guy. And then he battled with some injuries.
And then Kirk stepped in and played. And,

Speaker 11 you know, then I had an opportunity and kind of got banged up late in the season. And then it was kind of, let's go back into the next year.
And, you know,

Speaker 11 Kirk ended up getting the job. And then there was a two-year span in there where I didn't take a snap.
I mean,

Speaker 11 Kirk played every snap. You know, all our games were kind of going down the wire.
We won the East one year, like, Kirk played awesome.

Speaker 11 You know, and

Speaker 11 again, I mentioned this earlier. We all want to play, right? Like, I love the reason I stuck around Washington for so long is because I love Jay and I love the system.

Speaker 11 I felt like I had a good grasp of, you know, what we were trying to do offensively. And when Sean was the coordinator, when Kevin was the coordinator,

Speaker 11 you know, like I felt good in it. You know, and then I had my chance when Alex went down, you know, and then three weeks later, I break my leg.

Speaker 11 And it's like, there was always like a little bit of an injury, that little bit of something that,

Speaker 11 you know, just kind of got the rug swept out from under me because of those, you know, kind of nagging injuries or broken, whatever it was.

Speaker 11 And, um, but looking back, man, I learned so much football there. And

Speaker 11 Jay was great to me. Like, I was there the whole time Jay was there.
We were, we were tight. We're still tight.

Speaker 11 He's a phenomenal football coach, so smart. Like,

Speaker 11 you know, his style is very unique um but he was able to like coach sean up to be the coordinator coach kevin up to be the coordinator like those guys learned a lot from him too and i think people forget that um

Speaker 11 and you know i i i have nothing but good experiences from my time in washington wish we could have won more you know wish i wouldn't have dealt with some injuries but you know at the end of the day that's that's part of the game i tell people all the time if you're gonna if you're gonna play football there's a hundred percent chance you're gonna get hurt you just hope it's not like the the big the big hurts, like the big injury.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to go back to Texas real quick in this game coming up.

Speaker 1 Do you talk to some guys on the staff? You're watching every game. Like, how are you feeling going into this game against Washington? And also specifically Quinn Ewers and his progression?

Speaker 1 Because it feels like this is the year that he's made that jump and he's looked. you know, incredible for spurts this year.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Yeah.
No, okay, I'll start off with Quinn. I think Quinn is playing awesome, right?

Speaker 11 Like, I think he's got good weapons around him, you know, probably a first or second round tight end, a couple NFL receivers that are going to play in the NFL.

Speaker 11 And, you know, the offensive line has stayed healthy and they're playing great. So,

Speaker 11 you know, you look at the progression Quinn has made from last year till this year,

Speaker 11 it's exactly how it should be, right? And that's a credit to him. Like, he's very accurate with the football.
He doesn't turn it over very often.

Speaker 11 Like, I feel very good about our game against washington the thing i the thing that i keep

Speaker 11 thinking about with washington is like we match up pretty good

Speaker 11 but it's like even if washington plays a bad game their two receivers on the outside could like quietly have 150 yards receiving and that's like the equalizer yeah like it doesn't matter at that point like they're still going to score they're still going to make plays and all of a sudden you know they're in it at the end of the game and they find ways to win and you know pennix is a really you know veteran season guy.

Speaker 11 Like he's accurate with the football.

Speaker 11 So, you know, and then and then Washington's also well coached. Like I, I haven't watched all their games.
I watched a couple and it's like the adjustments they make,

Speaker 11 you know, by the time they get into the third, fourth quarter, they're, they're rolling, right? They're, they're just, they're a sound football team. Um, so

Speaker 11 I want to keep saying like, no, Texas is going to light them up.

Speaker 11 But I also know that like, even if Washington plays bad, the receivers are good enough to keep him in the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And and

Speaker 1 the point on Washington's coach, Kalen DeBoer, uh, is a good one because he's been

Speaker 1 in a lot more games where it's been tight and he's had to push the right buttons and you know, go for it.

Speaker 1 Whereas, Texas, obviously, the game against Alabama was close-ish, and the game against Oklahoma didn't go well. Maybe some things you'd want back.

Speaker 1 Most of the other games, maybe Kansas State, but like Texas blew out a lot of teams, too.

Speaker 11 Yeah, no, again, I go back to the point I originally made like texas should have won the oklahoma game right we we broke down late like we went down and scored and then you know they they pulled out a drive 80 yards in like less than a minute that shouldn't have happened right but i think just overall in general when i look at texas i think you know they also had some slip-ups like at houston right at home against byu you know they didn't like really put their foot on the gas and like, you know, they go up 21 to nothing or whatever.

Speaker 11 And then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter it's a one-score game yeah right those like you want to like eliminate those kind of things and then once you got through those you found ways to win now i just think that texas has has really like kind of set the standard for themselves and they're playing at a high level now for for washington it's like how good is the pac-12 i think the pac-12 is pretty good right like they got a lot of teams that you know won eight or nine games so it's it's it was competitive every week and washington you know ran the table so i i think washington is better than what people think.

Speaker 11 I think Texas is going to have to play well, but I still, I still like Texas with the upper hand.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
So you talked about the Red River shootout. Can we, are we in favor of bringing back the Red River shootout? You played in the shootout before it was the rivalry.

Speaker 2 It's so much better when you just call it the shootout. We can agree on that.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 11 I agree. 100%.

Speaker 2 It doesn't have that same, like, it's going to be a big game no matter what, but it's just, it's more fun in the lead up when it's called the shootout.

Speaker 2 That's something I think as America, we can agree on and dial it back a little bit.

Speaker 11 100%.

Speaker 11 And I am glad that the game's staying at the Cotton Bowl. Like that's where it needed to stay.
They signed a big extension. Like the atmosphere there,

Speaker 11 the crowd split right down the middle, sharing the same tunnel, you know, the old school locker rooms, like everything about that game is perfect. Like, other than we need to call it the shootout.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's at the state fair. You got the cowboy hat, the golden cowboy hat, one of the best trophies in sports.

Speaker 2 I'm thinking back also to when you were at Texas and the photo shoot that you did where you're wearing the hard hat. You know the question I'm about to ask.

Speaker 2 The hard hat with a sledgehammer and the head of the sledgehammer is a football. When you were doing that photo shoot, were you like, damn, I look awesome right now?

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 I was sitting there. I was talking to the guy and, you know, the people behind me are kind of like snickering and laughing.

Speaker 11 I'm like, hey, like, the amount of crap I'm going to get for this picture is like going to be forever.

Speaker 1 And it's so true.

Speaker 11 Like I'm in a couple of group texts, like with a bunch of my old teammates.

Speaker 11 You know, somebody will throw something out there once a month and like it never fails that that picture gets thrown in there. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Like it's like it's like the picture they have of me when I call them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Every single time you could win

Speaker 2 NFL MVP and and your boys in the group chat would just respond with a picture of you holding the sledgehammer football. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Hey, who's going to win the Texas game? I don't know. Call the guy with the hard hat and a hammer.

Speaker 1 Let's do what he did.

Speaker 1 If Texas wins, that picture will be used non-stop. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm going to tweet it out for sure. Yeah.
Texas wins.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Texas all the way back.
Oh, man.

Speaker 11 Whoever took that picture loves this conversation. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Get some royalties off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you ever get sick of the Texas back conversation? We have fun with it.

Speaker 1 I think you guys got to win it all to be all the way back, right?

Speaker 11 A hundred percent. And

Speaker 11 I'll say it's, it's been annoying over the last like 13 years or whatever.

Speaker 1 Like, good mission accomplished. Yeah, That's what we want.
We want to know what it is.

Speaker 11 I mean, it's just, you know, but I think it, I think it's brought on, right? I think, I think, you know,

Speaker 11 if you look at the program at Texas, we've had three head coaches since Coach Brown left, right?

Speaker 11 There's been transition, but the one thing that never changes is the expectations of the fans and of the university, right? And they haven't met those expectations. And it's hard.

Speaker 11 I remember, like, I don't want to always talk about me and our teams, but, you know, my first two years after the national championship, we went 10 and three both years.

Speaker 11 And it was like, I didn't want to go to class.

Speaker 1 People hated you, right?

Speaker 11 It was boring. It was dull.
Like, everybody's like, oh, you guys suck. You know, it's like,

Speaker 11 we just went 10 and 3.

Speaker 11 I think Texas won 10 games in a row for like 12 or something, 12 or 13 years, right? That's a standard.

Speaker 11 And so now I think,

Speaker 11 you know, the fans' ability to like just give Sark some time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 A few years, like let him, like, that was always the thing that I was preaching was like, guys, this isn't like an overnight transition now i will say with the nil and the portal and like that kind of like it can happen a lot quicker now but back then like before this all happened it was that was hard to do and so um i i'm i'm just thankful that like we've won the close games this year you know the trap games like we found a way to win and now we've put ourselves in a position to like ultimately

Speaker 2 we everything everything that we want to accomplish is right in front of us yeah do text back and forth with mcconahey because i'm interested in knowing what he's got planned for the pregame speech for the semifinal

Speaker 11 there's there's no telling but i i love matthew you know the the minister of culture any big game you're going to see his face a lot um but he he loves the program um

Speaker 11 he'll probably have an awesome pregame speech hopefully somebody can record it uh very passionate And yeah, I look forward to seeing him down there in the Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 2 He should bring in a Husky on a leash.

Speaker 1 Be like, you got a dog walk, put a muzzle on him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we muzzle these guys up. Yeah, you were talking about the NIL and how Texas is able to build and build and build.
They got Arch Manning on campus right now.

Speaker 2 I saw him get in a game against Texas Tech this season. And my take on Arch Manning, which is probably, I'm very dumb and wrong about 99.9% of things that I say.

Speaker 2 So my stupid take on Arch Manning is that right now he's too good at playing quarterback. If you saw those passes he was throwing, they were right on the dot, bouncing off guys' hands in the end zone.

Speaker 2 They weren't ready to catch Arch Manning's passes yet the receivers might need another year in arch manning's system in order to catch up to the genius that is arch manning i love it um you know

Speaker 11 listen like i've been around um

Speaker 11 arch

Speaker 11 uh quite a bit i mean gone back to some spring spring practices like

Speaker 11 i remember when i i was helping sort of like recruit him to UT. Now, listen, I'm not taking any credit for that at all.
I just was around a little bit.

Speaker 11 He was so much more prepared and ready and mature than what I was when I came, came on campus, right? Like he's got the script as he's watching practice. He's not even on campus yet.

Speaker 11 He hasn't even signed yet, right? But he's going down this, he knows the formations. He knows the shifts and the motions.
He knows the protection.

Speaker 11 Like the dude is really, really smart in football, right? He's mature. And I know he's worked really hard.

Speaker 11 You know, I'm thankful that he got a red shirt. I'm thankful that he got to play a little bit.

Speaker 11 I'm very bullish on him. Like I'm high on him because I know like the character that he has, you know, the family

Speaker 11 situation.

Speaker 11 He's seen like elite level quarterback his whole life, starting with his grandpa. Right.
And so their family has always been so nice to me.

Speaker 11 I just,

Speaker 11 I just,

Speaker 11 you know, I don't want to compare. Arch Manning with Garrett Gilbert.
Okay. But when I was in school, loved Garrett Gilbert, like had a nice career, but like he never lost a game in high school.

Speaker 11 He was right in Lake Travis, right in the backyard. Like he was crowned as king before he ever got on campus.
And the moment he threw a pick or two, or they lost a couple home games, it was like

Speaker 11 everything turned on him. It wasn't necessarily his fault, right? But the expectations were just astronomical.
And I sense a little bit of that with Arch, although

Speaker 11 I think Arch has a very good head on his shoulder. I think he's going to handle it all well.
Like, I know he wants to play.

Speaker 11 And he's got a chance to sit and watch Quinn play. Quinn's done great.
Like, Quinn's executed Sark's offense to a T. Yeah.
Right. So he's got a good picture of what it's supposed to look like.

Speaker 11 And whenever that, you know, whenever Arch gets his chance, I know that this year will be very, I've told him, I said, the best thing that ever happened to me was red shirting, right?

Speaker 11 I know it's not that cool to do and it sucks. And it's like, especially in this day and age, but like

Speaker 11 I'm just telling you, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah, and hopefully, you know, that turns out to be the case for Arch too.

Speaker 2 And you recruited him, you hand-delivered Arch Manning to Texas. Thank you, Colt McCoy.
You brought Texas back.

Speaker 1 Good job.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that was fun.

Speaker 1 All right. I have one last question.

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Speaker 1 Going back to the national title one last time.

Speaker 1 The Rose Bowl, obviously, you get injured. At what point did you realize that on the broadcast they were talking about you playing catch with your dad underneath the stadium?

Speaker 1 Because then it became like, it was like, you know, Lore was like, oh my God, he's testing out his shoulder underneath the stadium with his dad.

Speaker 1 Probably would have wished that just didn't get talked about because like,

Speaker 1 you were injured and you were just trying to get back on the field. But did you,

Speaker 1 did someone tell you right after, like, hey, that whole broadcast, the second half was all about that?

Speaker 11 Dude, no, I had no idea.

Speaker 11 I mean,

Speaker 11 had it been my left arm, I'd have gone, I'd have played, I'd never miss a snap. Right.
Like, I just, I couldn't control anything.

Speaker 11 You know, I hate the narrative where it's like, oh, you know, you were trying to go to the league, like all that. I mean,

Speaker 11 that's so not accurate. Like, I mean.

Speaker 11 That wasn't even a thought for me, right? If I wanted to do that, I would have left after my junior year. Right.

Speaker 11 And so,

Speaker 11 I mean, to be, to be fully frank, like that injury, like stayed with me for years, years, right? Like

Speaker 11 nerves are different for everybody, right? And mine was like in my neck and it kind of, it took my whole arm out for weeks, months. And, you know, it's doing rehab and all of that for years, right?

Speaker 11 It's very annoying.

Speaker 11 But I tried, I tried, I tried. And a lot, there was just, I,

Speaker 11 you, I mean, I didn't have the grip. I didn't have strength.

Speaker 11 You've fallen asleep on your arm before and you wake up and that thing's just like heavy, right? It's exactly the feeling that I had for several weeks after.

Speaker 1 I feel like that kind of injury, too, is really tough for viewers to understand. It's kind of like Brock Purdy, you know, where it's like, he looks fine.
Why can't he just throw the ball?

Speaker 1 Like, if I was in that game, I'd just throw the ball.

Speaker 2 I would have gone back in the day.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Whereas like if you, if you, if you like blow your knee out, it's like, oh, we saw that.
He can't walk. That makes sense.
Yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 11 And it's hard to explain, right? It's hard, like, you know, you weren't carted off the field, like all that kind of, it's just, it's, it's, it's part of the game, right?

Speaker 11 Guys who have have had like severe stingers before, they know, right? But if you're, if you're a defender and you're a tackler, you go right back in the game.

Speaker 11 I'm a thrower of the football, like accurately. You, you, there's, there's no way you can do that, right? Ask anybody who's had it, right?

Speaker 11 And so the moment, the time, like that was by far the worst time that anything, you know, I never really experienced injuries up to that point in my career. Like that, I mean, that was just

Speaker 2 the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just physically impossible.

Speaker 11 Not necessarily for me, but for like, think about, you know, I hated it for my coaches, for my teammates. Yeah.
Right. Those guys had never played with anybody.

Speaker 11 I got to play for four years. Like they, they hadn't taken snaps with anybody else up at that point, right? Like it was just a sucker punch for me and for everybody else.

Speaker 11 And, you know, you live and you learn, you move on, and you know, you, you, you look back, and

Speaker 11 you know, it's that's football and um

Speaker 11 hate it.

Speaker 1 Your dad did win like dad of the year that year for that story, though. Just like the idea, like, obviously, we didn't see it, but the

Speaker 1 visual that they were setting up, like Colt's dad's trying to get him warmed up back in the game underneath the

Speaker 1 bleachers of the rose bowl. Was he running round? That was dad of the year, yeah.

Speaker 11 The amount of security they had in in the stadium, like, I don't know how he even made it down. I think he just jumped the fence and ran in the locker room.

Speaker 1 He's out of the air.

Speaker 2 Nobody's stopping me. If there's a dad, he's like, That's my son.
And then you can get past any security if you see that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was cool.

Speaker 2 Maybe you should have tried like an IV of like a drip of milk going directly into your room.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That might work.

Speaker 2 I have one last question. You can confirm or deny this, and I'm not going to say where I heard it from.

Speaker 2 But a little birdie told me that at one point in your NFL career,

Speaker 2 you were so well liked by your teammates that you had a coach that had to tell the team, hey, I know that Colt's having a barbecue this weekend, but would you mind going to the starting quarterbacks party before you go to Colts' barbecue?

Speaker 11 I'm denying that all the way.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Gotcha.

Speaker 1 They were able to go to your barbecue without going to the other guys? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 11 It was just a lack of communication, you know, like

Speaker 11 that happens sometimes. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 See how well liked he is.

Speaker 2 That's just so.

Speaker 1 You're the best dude ever.

Speaker 2 I want to go to your barbecue right now. Fuck Big Cat's barbecue.
Yeah, I'm

Speaker 1 going to go to my barbecue.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Good teammate.
I've always said that if to be a backup for a long time in the NFL, and

Speaker 1 you started as well, but

Speaker 1 you have to have a certain personality that people are drawn to you. Like whenever they say a big name, oh, why isn't that guy a backup? Why isn't he still in the league?

Speaker 1 It's like, it takes a certain type of cat to be able to be like selfless like that in a locker room setting like that.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Again, like there's, there's a lot of big personalities, right?

Speaker 11 And I've always just, you know, I think one of the advantages that I've had, if, if we're talking about this, is that like since I was three years old, I was the water boy on my dad's football teams, right?

Speaker 11 Like my heroes growing up were the quarterbacks that played for my dad in high school, right?

Speaker 11 I thought, man,

Speaker 11 I'd be extremely lucky to get to go play college football someday like texas wasn't even on my radar you kidding me like texas is like that's ut right i was going to just go play at the local d2 school and like be happy um and so you just you develop an appreciation for the game and i never wanted to cheat the game i always wanted to to give it all i had and you know whether i was starting or backup or you know, water boy, like that's, that's just how I was raised and taught.

Speaker 11 And, you know,

Speaker 11 this this game has done so much for me and for my family. And it's like, man, like,

Speaker 11 I'm just, I'm proud to got to play as long as I had.

Speaker 11 It's been a dream. And

Speaker 11 yeah, I think there are a lot of egos in football, right? There's,

Speaker 11 there's some, there's some big name guys and, and, and guys who have been super successful.

Speaker 11 And, um, but I, I, I'll be the first to tell you, there's so many, been, so many people in my life that have like played a pivotal role in getting to me or getting me where I've, where I've been able to go.

Speaker 11 Right. And I mean, I certainly have to admit that.
Like good coaches, good teammates, family's been great, like teachers, coaches along the way.

Speaker 11 So yeah, man, it's, it's been awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, appreciate it again.

Speaker 1 Great time having you on. If we're ever in the same spot, if you're ever in Chicago, please come by.
Maybe we'll throw some,

Speaker 1 throw, throw a football around under the Rose Bowl bleachers, the whole thing. But we,

Speaker 1 yeah, no, this is awesome, man. We appreciate appreciate it.
We're still rooting for you if you do decide to come back and play some more in the NFL.

Speaker 11 Yep.

Speaker 11 What's going to happen with your Chicago Bears quarterback?

Speaker 1 You want to come play?

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 the backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in Chicago.

Speaker 11 No doubt.

Speaker 11 I do think since Phils has come back from his

Speaker 11 thumb or like he's played pretty good football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm in full, whatever they decide to do, I'll just go all in on that. I'm done.

Speaker 1 It's too much debating it and talking about it. I'm tired.

Speaker 2 You know what the worst is?

Speaker 1 I'll just figure it out and I'll just go with that.

Speaker 2 If you have a plan of attack and then the team doesn't follow what you want to do, and then they stink and then you have that additional mindset of

Speaker 2 they should have followed me. I would have been right.
And then that makes it worse.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm just going with the flow. Just get in the backseat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whatever they do, I'm just going to be like, that was the smartest thing ever. I'm just going to retroactively decide it.
Yeah. Yeah.
There you go. It's a good, good strategy.

Speaker 1 Well, thanks so much, Colt, man. Appreciate it.

Speaker 11 All right, guys. I appreciate it.
Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest in studio. It is Super Agent.
Tommy DeVito's agent, reps a lot of players in the NFL, Sean Stilato. He's here on our couch.
Sean, thank you for coming by.

Speaker 1 We appreciate it. And more than that, you're in Chicago because today you're being inducted into the Italian-American Sports Hall of Fame.
I didn't even know that was a thing. Oh, come on.

Speaker 1 And you're in.

Speaker 12 Well, you're not Italian, so how would you know?

Speaker 1 Well, hold on, hold on. I actually brought, so PFT War is Italian jersey.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm 1% Sicilian, and then Big Cat also has some close family connections here.

Speaker 1 Not Italian, but supportive.

Speaker 1 I'm a proud Italian father.

Speaker 12 Hey, we believe in

Speaker 12 adopting non-Italians.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I'm an Italian father. Yeah, that's my kids are a quarter Italian.

Speaker 1 I'm nothing. Oh, but I'm supportive.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 You know what? That's that's the main thing. You got passion in your heart and you love ball and

Speaker 12 you're representing the flag. Yeah, yeah, not Italian, but supportive.

Speaker 12 I respect that. Yes.
Yep.

Speaker 1 It has been supported my kids. You're a quarter Italian.
For sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 A great story this year. And going to the Hall of Fame, this is like the perfect week to do it, too, because you were everywhere on Monday night.
You were all over the sidelines.

Speaker 2 Now you're going to the Italian American Sports Hall of Fame. I was looking at some of the names.
It's very, very impressive, the names that are in the Italian American Sports Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 Growing up, like what Italian sports player did you like look up to? You got Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Mike Tarico. The list goes on.
Is there one guy that you look up to?

Speaker 12 Yeah, Joe Montana was a guy I admired.

Speaker 12 I just, you know, that San Francisco team, look at the Patriots in the late 80s with Putrid and the 49ers were kind of winning, but I always admired Joe and his grittiness.

Speaker 12 And that was someone I emulated until I met him before a 49ers game and he snubbed me. But all good, Joe.

Speaker 12 But no,

Speaker 12 to stand on the Rocky Maciano, Joe DiMaggio, and to be able to stand on the shoulders of those great men,

Speaker 12 it's very humbling and I'm honored. But at the end of the day, it's all about who came before me, all my ancestors.
My late uncle, I developed a major passion for boxing.

Speaker 12 His name was Frankie Steele-Stilato, and he fought Tony DiMarco, the 1955 wealth of weight champion of the world twice at the old garden over a girl named Grace.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 I developing that passion for boxing and, you know, Rocky and then boom boom mancini, it's, I'm just, I'm happy, but at the same token, I'm just, I'm absorbing it, but giving my kids to kind of see something like this, my four daughters are my greatest accomplishments.

Speaker 12 I think it's cool. And my parents have been married 62 years.
Yeah. So they'll be there.
They took the train out. They don't fly.
And then my wife, who's my, you know, everything, my wife, Krista.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when did you find out you're getting inducted? Because it does, the timing is very funny. Yeah.
Where I was like, wait, did they just see this guy on Monday Night Football?

Speaker 1 They're like, we got to get him in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 12 No, I actually, they sent, I got the phone call from Ron and Estee the end of August. And so this is coming.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And, you know, I'm not going to lie, it was an emotional call. You know, you think of it, you don't think of Hall of Fames.
You grind, you follow your bliss.

Speaker 12 I played at every level. You know, I had a good high school career, prep school, Division I football and basketball.

Speaker 12 Played a couple of years of arena football for Jeff Brom was one of them, the coach of Louisville. And then obviously getting into the space, opening up SES sports over 10 years ago.

Speaker 12 But, you know, I... My teammates, my coaches, obviously my clients, I mean, and then my ancestors.
So it takes a village. And

Speaker 12 I'm excited where we're at right now, but still like an artificial intelligence company. Yeah.
Still a lot of a lot of growth potential that I'm looking looking forward to tapping into.

Speaker 1 So, Tommy DeVito, how did that work? How did you land him? Was it just you just walked in and you kissed him on the cheek and he was like, All right, you're my agent?

Speaker 1 You know, I'm like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like a, it's a perfect seeing you on Monday Football. It was like a perfect storybook.
Like, we got Tommy DeVito, the Cutlets, he swept the nation.

Speaker 1 Everyone's rooting for him. And then, oh, who's this agent who's, you know, got on the phone looking great and he's Italian too? It's perfect.
You know, how I landed him is I made him an offer.

Speaker 1 He He couldn't refuse.

Speaker 12 You know, Tommy, I knew, was a baller from years back. You know, Elite 11 kid, 2018 dark host for the Heisman Trophy.
Went out to the Oregon Open and outperformed to,

Speaker 12 let's face it, guys that go commit early, whether it's politics, whether it's schemes, whether it's coaches.

Speaker 12 Syracuse didn't work.

Speaker 12 But it's a testament to Tommy's upbringing and goes reinvents himself at Illinois.

Speaker 12 You know, I knew Tommy following him in Illinois, his ability to process, his ability to make those intermediate throws, his ability to comprehend multiple playbooks.

Speaker 12 I put all premiums on that, how to quantify it.

Speaker 12 It's unfortunate that 28 teams didn't see the value in Tommy DeVito. But let's face it, the GOAT, Brady, I mean, he went sixth round, 199th pick.

Speaker 12 And I'm not saying Tommy's the GOAT, but I'm saying, or Tom Brady, rather. But I think he's a phenomenal player.

Speaker 12 I don't even think he scratched what he will become because he's got a boulder of cutlets on his shoulder.

Speaker 2 Do you kiss all your agents' parents on the cheek or just Tommy?

Speaker 12 Well, I mean, his father kissed me first, and as Italians, we reciprocate. I give you a gift, you give me a gift back.

Speaker 2 So he kissed first. He made the first move.

Speaker 12 He made the first move, and I just thought it was like a perfect, like the three tennis, you know, you saw we were in sync where I kissed him, he kissed his son, and it was... Bellissimo.
It was.

Speaker 2 It was perfect. So on the sideline before the game, you were on the phone, presumably making a big deal, making moves.
You weren't actually on the phone with it, you knew the camera's on.

Speaker 1 You're talking to yourself, yeah. You were like, I gotta activate it.
Like, hello, I know the camera's on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're like, I gotta, you spent the whole, the whole like three hours. It's a good move.
I, I love the movie.

Speaker 12 I guess, you know, look at it's like watching a mystery movie. Maybe you might not ever know, but um,

Speaker 12 you know, I was. I was trying to close a deal that I've been going back and forth with because I drove down.

Speaker 12 And then, my Sienna Cicely, my five-year-old, uh, we always do bedtime stories and a phone call before bed if daddy's on the road. So, it was cool to have that moment with her.

Speaker 12 And, you know, you can see Tommy was locked in.

Speaker 12 But yeah, it was funny to get who was he on the phone with. But that's the transparency to that question.

Speaker 2 I thought it was a little out of bounds, a little out of line what Eli said. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He said that your nickname was slimy.

Speaker 12 You know what? It was actually Peyton, I was told. Oh, okay.
And I was extremely disappointed to hear that.

Speaker 12 You know, look at Peyton considerably, you know, one of the better ones to play the position and play the game.

Speaker 12 And the thing about me is he's never met me. He doesn't know me.
Make that statement. I'm a dad of four daughters and a wife.
I think it was very shocking. I was disappointed.

Speaker 12 But at the end of the day, you know what?

Speaker 12 I live my life. Be curious.
Don't be judgmental.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was anti-Italian discrimination.

Speaker 12 And, you know, the thing is, too, I'm so proud of my heritage. Yeah.
Like, that is the world to me.

Speaker 1 Wait, you're Italian?

Speaker 1 I think I am. I just, I don't know.

Speaker 12 The shoes are awesome.

Speaker 1 So these shoes are very, very special.

Speaker 12 So the boat on the side of the shoe is the SS Cantipic. Now, Pasquale, my grandfather, Pasqualina, his mom, Francesco, his dad, left San Ballaz, which you can see right there.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Sanbayaz, a small village in Punta, excuse me, Captain Zaro, Calabria, Italy,

Speaker 12 on the lowest possible means, SS Camp,

Speaker 12 SS Cantipic, 1,300 other immigrants in third class, $14 to their name. So I am 272.
That's my entrant number. And, you know, I just want to have a part of them with me.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 My heritage, my ancestors,

Speaker 12 they're kind of my fix when

Speaker 12 you're in the Tower of Terror as an agent. You're high, you're low.
But I think about them on that boat.

Speaker 12 very little means and everything that comes as an agent because you a lot of times you can't control it. Guys get cut.
Politics,

Speaker 12 you recruit a kid kid for 12 months and you come in second. But yeah, so that's very, I got something wild a weird tonight.

Speaker 1 A little bit more. We're going to turn it up a little bit for Sunday.

Speaker 12 But I'm just saying, listen, what you see is what you get. I am organic.
I haven't changed if you look at

Speaker 12 my track record. It's not like I'm just trying to be some guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that.

Speaker 2 My cause, my cleats. That's what you're doing right now.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's you. You pretty much put it in Italian terms.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is. You speak Italian.

Speaker 2 I'm excited to see what you have planned for Sunday down in New Orleans. So it does seem like like America is rooting for Tommy DeVito right now.

Speaker 12 You know, look at Tommy, if you think about it, you know, the underdog, it's what this country is built on. And he has went out there week after week, and he's cut his teeth.

Speaker 12 And, you know, when he was going through the Syracuse days or, you know, obviously overlooked through the draft. I mean, he didn't.

Speaker 12 you know, he didn't use that as a crutch and say, why me? Tommy went out there. When I met with Coach Cable right after the draft in his office, hey, he's going going to have an uphill battle.

Speaker 12 That's what he said to me. And I said, hey, you know what? We're ready to go.

Speaker 12 Knew there was three quarterbacks. And at the end of the day, we all know you can't project injuries.

Speaker 12 And he has gotten just better and better and better, but comprehend, and he's comfortable now. And he won the locker room.

Speaker 12 And I mean, look, that fan base is very unique, very passionate. And they got that gritty, you know, jersey.
So he's given pump and hope in a lot of those fans and a lot of people in that area.

Speaker 12 Let's face it, I mean, we've had a broken country. A lot of things have happened.
And I just, it's great. It's a great success story, but he's far from, you know, he's not content.
I mean,

Speaker 1 he's hungry.

Speaker 1 It is great. And he's very locked in.

Speaker 12 All this media hype and all the, you know, the Tommy Cutletts thing, you know, we're focused on winning football games.

Speaker 12 I'm focused on servicing my clients and Tommy and taking care of them on and off the field. That's the mission.
That's the focus. And that's how we do it.

Speaker 1 So how many clients do you represent in the NFL right now?

Speaker 12 So I've got a total of 12 clients.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 I love your story too, because you do feel like kind of an underdog as well, because you hear there's the big agencies, the CAA, the WME, like all these,

Speaker 1 a lot of these guys are just going to, okay, everyone does this, let's do this. How did you start your business? Like, how do you, you know, go from one client to 12 clients?

Speaker 1 How do you go throughout those years? Because it is a very tough business to be in. And if you're an outsider, it's even tougher.

Speaker 12 You know,

Speaker 12 it's like an old Italian woman that's not going to give her secret ingredients to her sauce. Okay, I like that.
You know, so I mean, look, I build it

Speaker 12 a little differently than most.

Speaker 12 And you've got a combination. You know, there's a lot of those big Goliaths out there.

Speaker 12 But I take pride in my worksmanship and doing this a long time.

Speaker 12 And I just, you know, I try to just obviously evaluate and, you know, characters important to me.

Speaker 12 Um, but a lot of things, you know, money changes, you know, people and things change, you know, you know, I've been doing this a long time. Um, and you just try to get the right guys on the bus.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 Do you represent sports media personalities?

Speaker 12 You know, it's funny. I had some people reach out regarding that.

Speaker 2 I know one guy, uh, Rico Bosco, he's doing contract negotiations. I think you would probably be a good agent to deal with Dave Ferrico.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Not Italian, but he's got an Italian name.

Speaker 12 Okay, so he changed his last name. Everyone calls me Seano because they ask, well, Sean, I'm like, my mother loves Sean Connery, but you can call me Seano if it makes it feel more Italian.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 You think you could help Rico out in negotiation with Dave Portnoy?

Speaker 12 Without a doubt. I know Portnoy, you know, he's kind of tough, I hear.

Speaker 1 Well, so you wrote a book about

Speaker 12 I had to bring it in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, he was kind of, he was saying, like, who writes a book about one high school football game, so you beat his team.

Speaker 12 I mean, it's funny. See, that's being judgmental and not really understanding the whole,

Speaker 12 parallels through the story. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, I think also because you beat his team.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we beat him on that. We went over there and pissed on their turn.
Yeah, and it was Todd McShea, right? Yeah, it was, you know, I want to see roughly around 10,000 to 12,000 people there.

Speaker 12 It's the national game of the week on Sports Channel. Wow.

Speaker 1 This is the heart of the lockout for

Speaker 12 NHL, Major League Baseball. They were undefeated.
We're undefeated.

Speaker 12 We just went through a really crazy week. Teachers go on strike, Halloween Day, Salem mass.

Speaker 12 Kids here have a forfeiture of their season, break into school, steal their equipment, stash it at a local field. Administration comes out and says, hey, if you coach, we're going to terminate you.

Speaker 12 Union grabs the coaches and says, your job description in the collective bargaining agreement has no relevance to coach and coach the kids. And

Speaker 12 they hit him with a seasoned assist document. No, they couldn't get that equitable remedy of an injunction because he had two different contracts.
So that night we defy the seasoned assist.

Speaker 12 The superintendent of school compares the coach live TV to Jim Jones and David Coreshire starting a football cult.

Speaker 12 Now I intertwine the parallels of 1692 witchcraft trials, Morn Day witch hunt, Tyler Style legendary coach. It even gets better.

Speaker 12 We get to school that day going over to Swamp Scott, and coach is not allowed on the bus. So right before the game starts, the coaches run out arm locked out of dark vance to coach the kids.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Okay, I take it back. That's not just the football game.

Speaker 12 And my connection to the story is I was living with my grandmother, who she lived with us, who was dying. I was a quarterback of the team.
And

Speaker 12 when I talk about miraculous wins and divine intervention, and we're talking the Swamp Scar game, it even gets better the next two games.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 what they do in Salem Mass, they're preserving the legacies of the

Speaker 12 witches, the falsely accused,

Speaker 12 you know, people that were hung and executed.

Speaker 12 All I'm trying to do is persevere the legacies of my former teammates and our coaches. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a great story.

Speaker 2 That's not just a football game.

Speaker 12 No, it isn't. And so they were, unfortunately, you know, they were just there.
And, you know, the better team won that day. That's all I got to say.
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 Can you tell me a little bit more about Salem, Massachusetts? I don't know much about it. Yes.
But the only thing I do know is the witch trials because that's what you learn early.

Speaker 2 But you were were telling me about how like the city had to be rebuilt, this whole like uprising with the city. So what's it like growing up in Salem, Massachusetts?

Speaker 2 How did it make you who you are right now?

Speaker 12 You know, Salem

Speaker 12 turned me into a man, made me a conqueror. I always say 01970.
We grew up very, you know, humble beginnings, eight of us, three bedroom house in Witchcraft Heights. And it's a great name.

Speaker 1 It is. Great name.
Great name.

Speaker 12 But I got to say this. I mean, people are coming through the city.
They think it's a theme park. You know, people live there.
You know, people pissing on people's lawns and, you know,

Speaker 12 going down slides and people's yards and, you know, double parking in front of people's, you know, as they're trying to back up. It's crazy.

Speaker 12 I mean, you get millions of people come through there, but it's great for the city. But, you know, I'm trying to just carve out a little history there and say, you know what?

Speaker 12 Salem has more than just the witches. Right.
You know, it's a football town.

Speaker 12 It's a town of some Italians.

Speaker 12 But it was great. You know, it really

Speaker 12 gave me a platform to really use as a springboard. And I was, I mean, the year after high school was my biggest year of my life.
I went to prep school for a year.

Speaker 12 The owners, which is coincidentally, were John Tish. Okay.

Speaker 1 Steve Tisch.

Speaker 12 Yeah. And I happened,

Speaker 12 you know, happened to meet John for the first time. And he went to the gunnery.
And he was someone I looked up to in terms of learning all about him. And what a great, great man.
And

Speaker 12 that was cool to have some FaceTime with him

Speaker 12 before Monday Night Football, before everything kind of went down, which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we were talking about this on, I think, Wednesday's show.

Speaker 1 What is it about Italians that it feels like they're the last group that everyone's okay just making fun of? And it feels like Italians are cool with it.

Speaker 1 Like, listen, I can do it because I'm a proud Italian father. And

Speaker 1 one of my favorite producers is Italian.

Speaker 1 We got Christopher Delente over there. Hey, Delente.
He's a hairy motherfucker. Is he? Yeah, but what?

Speaker 1 Aldente Delente.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's got classic Italian temper. Oh, he does

Speaker 12 get a little Sicilian in him.

Speaker 1 You got some sucking in there?

Speaker 12 My wife's half Sicilian. Max?

Speaker 1 Nah, no Sicilian. No Sicilian.
What is it?

Speaker 1 I think my famous from Bruzzo. Bruzzo? Bruzzo.
Yeah. So he's got, you know, like he'll go zero to 60 and like that.

Speaker 12 Is it sauce or gravy? Sauce or gravy.

Speaker 1 Ah, sauce, sauce. Sauce.

Speaker 1 See. Okay.
So, but what is it about Italians?

Speaker 1 It does feel like they're the last people that everyone can have kind of fun, you know, making jokes about and stereotyping. Yeah.
I was doing this. I know.

Speaker 12 Well,

Speaker 1 so much passion and heritage. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, we hug, we kiss, you know, we love fashion and

Speaker 12 sports, you know.

Speaker 12 I mean, shit, they used to kill each other in, you know, the Roman days and the Roman Coliseum. I mean, that gladiator stuff.
But I think it's just

Speaker 12 they're gritty. And, you know, when they came to this country, they were very discriminated against.
And

Speaker 12 it was very tough for them. And I think in terms of one thing I'll say about Italians that I'm proud of is they didn't stay complacent.
They evolved and climbed the economic ladder.

Speaker 12 And I think that's just that gritty, you know, underdog approach.

Speaker 12 And I share those, you know, the same values my ancestors carried over in the Atlantic. you know, loyalty, generosity, hard work, grittiness, faith, family.

Speaker 12 I carry those and try to implement those in the core values of my kids. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think it's also because Italians love to bust balls. Yeah, they're funny.
So you feel like you can bust balls back.

Speaker 12 Hey, we're in the Chicago. I'm dying to meet Sebastian.
I mean,

Speaker 12 Sebastian called Tommy. He definitely gave me a couple of lab workouts.

Speaker 1 He is a fuck. Yeah, you're jacked.

Speaker 2 I don't think people know that about you. If you go to your Instagram page, you fire off thirst traps like it's going outside.

Speaker 1 Oh, you got your shirt off? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 This guy's got like an eight-pack. Damn.

Speaker 12 I told my wife I got to maintain eight-pack till I'm 60. So I got about 15 years.
But

Speaker 12 it's just my, I had a couple agents I hired and fired, and I remember one saying, you can never get out of shape. Like, you got to be ready for the call.
So I kind of just kept that going.

Speaker 12 And I do get to rewind the clock back once a year. I play in a celebrity charity flag football game.
Oh. And this year, I'll be catching balls either from T-Mac, Tracy McGrady, or RG3

Speaker 1 the day before in Vegas.

Speaker 12 So we got to, but, you know, the makeup of, hey, I got to fight for my guys. And, you know, I train like I.
I'm fighting.

Speaker 2 Do you train with your clients?

Speaker 12 Sometimes, yeah. I do a lot of boxing and a lot of

Speaker 12 martial arts. Got a green belt and Kempo.

Speaker 12 I ran Boston Marathon a few times. I raised about $10,000 for Intercity Kids.
So who knows? People are trying to get in my ear. Hey, your late uncle was a boxer, right?

Speaker 12 Why don't you box another agent? I'm like, Jesus, man,

Speaker 12 I don't want to hurt anybody.

Speaker 1 Not a nice part, what you did there, by the way, mentioning the marathon, but saying you raised money because no one cares about anyone running a marathon.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's that's just, I mean, that's like for you got us with the charity. Well, you know, good sports and kids with severe disabilities.

Speaker 2 Yeah, see, you're doing it again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, second half.

Speaker 1 You're doing the second half. It is.

Speaker 12 Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 I did write. I wanted to make fun of you for being like, yeah, I ran a couple of marathons.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 Anyone can run. I was hurting.

Speaker 12 I was nearly crying.

Speaker 12 37 degrees. But I'll tell you this.
The sec, 2008 I ran it. We just had my Sophia Bella and my wife's in the hospital.
And I was neck and neck through with Lance Armstrong for the first half marathon.

Speaker 12 And I'm proud to say I did not train once. I just went out and ran the marathon.
That's insane.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. So how many times a day do you say to yourself like what would rocky do

Speaker 12 i would probably i live my life kind of like a rocky balboa meets daniel la russo okay so uh are you are you ever like looking in the mirror like hey sean what would rocky do yeah like let's get it to you tough it out yeah drink some fucking raw raw eggs or um you know go punch some meat yeah go go fight a russian yeah go fight a russian that's a little like a heavyweight like 6'4 240 and you're like 5'8 170.

Speaker 12 that's kind of interesting how people really bought into into that. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 They never would have commissioned that fight. Never.

Speaker 2 It's just a sanctioned murder.

Speaker 12 No, it isn't. But I'll tell you, I watched it and got jacked up.
And I was throwing some, you know, when I watch it, I still get, yeah, I mean, he did all that crazy unorthodox stuff.

Speaker 12 And, you know, I really look through those lenses in a lot of how I conduct business, how I train. I'm doing a lot of different things.

Speaker 12 I jump into the ocean in January, you know, and do some cold, you know, recovery work at five in the morning.

Speaker 12 And I remember when I was playing arena balls at Nahant Beach, and it was literally beginning of december and i just tortured myself in gallows hill in salem 93 yards to boggan hill i drove down i went and i had cops on a two by two two by four uh whatever the the little uh

Speaker 12 atv and they came down and said they thought this sir is everything okay like don't hurt yourself they thought i was trying to kill myself i was like with all due respect it's the office i'm just trying to get some recovery work in exercising yourself to death yeah yeah exactly that's great.

Speaker 2 How do you maintain

Speaker 2 the motivation that you get from being an underdog when you're going through all these successful times? Like, you're right now, I don't know if people could call you an underdog.

Speaker 2 You're going to the Italian Sports Hall of Fame.

Speaker 12 Yeah, you know, I'll always be an underdog. It's just the way I was always the shortest, smallest in stature, lightest, not the smartest.
I didn't hit the Ovarian lottery. But you know what?

Speaker 12 I had something with the family component was important to me.

Speaker 12 But, you know, I kind of surrounded my entire office, man cave, is surrounded by, you know, my clients' jerseys, the autograph footballs, some of the, you know, some awards, but I'm plastered with a lot of my ancestors.

Speaker 12 So I just bring myself back to what were they going through on that SS cannebic when they came to this country with very little means. Like, how did they, a lack of security?

Speaker 12 I mean, we live, think about it, you got the cell phone, you got computers, you can Google anything. You know, AI is beautiful today.
So that kind of keeps me just like, you know what?

Speaker 12 We got this.

Speaker 1 Perspective.

Speaker 12 and honestly i have a strong faith you know i i really um that's so important and that's the backbone of our family and my wife has been the one who's kept me because let's face it every great man needs a good man needs a good woman and and she's kept me from you know when i was low I have got my Jerry Maguire stories that I could share.

Speaker 12 There'll be a later date.

Speaker 12 But she's really kept me, my faith up to go out here and just continue to, you know, build this thing. And it's crazy.

Speaker 12 It's the beautiful thing about football as a player and even as an agent, it's resiliency. We're all wired like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Well, a couple last questions. So, like we said, you're being inducted in the Italian American Sports Hall of Fame tonight.

Speaker 1 Is it like the Masters? Did you get to pick your menu?

Speaker 12 You know what? I didn't get to pick my menu, but I do is crazy.

Speaker 1 Better be good food.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it better be good food.

Speaker 12 It's a lot of pressure. It's not going to hang with my wife's cutlets, my mother's meatballs, my grandmother's lasagna and linguine.

Speaker 12 So I won't, but I'm sure it'll be decent. Okay.
But you know, in the Hall of Fame, I got to give this speech that, you know, I've repped a few times.

Speaker 12 I thought I was going to get a few more reps in with the week got crazy and trying to close out a couple deals for Tommy.

Speaker 12 And, you know, obviously my quarterback, E.J. Perry, worked out for the Patriots.
So any GMs listening in the league, this kid. They all listen.

Speaker 1 No, they all listen. E.J.

Speaker 12 Perry is an absolute baller. Hits a golf ball, 360 yachts, 360 dunks, and he'll go on the whiteboard and do some Matt Damon stuff from Goodwill Goodwill Hunting.

Speaker 1 I love it. You'd be shocked when we go to the Combine in Indy in February, the amount of scouts that come up and say they listen to the show, and we're like, Why? We're stupid.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're actively making our teams worse. Yeah, if you listen to us, your team's going to suck.

Speaker 2 But I like this E.J. Perry kid, Andover Mas.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You had in college.

Speaker 12 So we went to Boston College, and then he transferred to play for his uncle. His uncle was a hell of a player.
We played against each other, James Perry, Brown, broke every record in the office.

Speaker 12 Then he goes out, has the greatest performance in the East West Shrine game, 153.9 quarterback rating.

Speaker 12 A few guys that played in that game, Tom Brady, Brett Favb, John Elway, backs it up in the combine.

Speaker 1 Well, wait, he played better than John Elway? John Elway is like 60.

Speaker 12 No, I'm saying in past performance.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. All right.

Speaker 12 Sorry, that was a little ambiguous. And then he goes to the combine.

Speaker 12 And he has the most athletic test score out of any quarterback. Let's get him.

Speaker 1 We're E.J. Perry guys now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so

Speaker 2 what teams? I'm looking at his Wikipedia right now. He's been on the Jaguars, Texans, the Michigan Panthers, and then the Texans again.

Speaker 12 Yep, and he just worked out for the Patriots this past Tuesday, all prime.

Speaker 1 Well, they got a quarterback. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No. I don't know.

Speaker 12 I think I've got a pretty good judgment on talent. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Hands down.

Speaker 1 We're EJ Perry guys. We will help you.

Speaker 12 EJ is exceptional.

Speaker 2 What? Do you want us to make sign ejperry.com?

Speaker 1 It'll just say,

Speaker 2 he can drive a golf ball 360 yards.

Speaker 12 Dude, EJ is a freak. And look, you got to remember what EJ.
He grew up in a family of coaches.

Speaker 1 Father, high school football coach, uncle, a Harvard guy, played at Harvard.

Speaker 12 Other uncle coached at the Texans for nine years. He's a college coach now.
I mean,

Speaker 12 they don't make him like this kid. Yeah.
But how many players are on the street that have hidden gems? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You should use us because we are one-for-one. We did draftjoshallen.com.
I don't know if you heard of Josh Allen. He's pretty good at quarterback.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I think he came out of Wyoming.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, you probably saw because he probably would have have gone undrafted if we didn't make that whatever.

Speaker 2 There was little to no buzz around him getting the draft. And like we said, the GMs listened to this show and we gassed him up hard.

Speaker 1 Well, gass up EJ.

Speaker 12 He's ready. He's the best he's ever been.

Speaker 12 I think, look,

Speaker 12 I think I earned a little validation

Speaker 12 on my assessment of talent, and he's phenomenal.

Speaker 12 But yeah, I'm excited for this weekend. It should be fun down in New Orleans and looking forward to seeing some other guys play on Saturday night as well.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's been a crazy week for you, and we appreciate you stopping by. Sounds like a week of a lifetime, really.

Speaker 2 Is there any particular part of your speech tonight, any lines that you're working on you want to just give like one last one last rep right now?

Speaker 12 Oh, man. What do I want?

Speaker 12 There's definitely a part of the speech that

Speaker 12 I hope the listeners tonight, because I kind of want to save it for a chuckle.

Speaker 12 But I mean, I think at the end of the day, you know, really naked, James Baldwin, the great writer, came and said, naked, I come into this world, naked I shall leave.

Speaker 12 So leave a legacy that you and your family are proud of and that can carry on. And Frank Sinatra made the words,

Speaker 12 the best is yet to come.

Speaker 12 I listened to a lot of his music and I just love the song My Way.

Speaker 12 So I am blessed to be doing this and running SES Sports My Way. And just, you know, I'm excited to embrace tonight.
That's it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big night. It's great.
I mean, it's a great week.

Speaker 10 Man, I'll tell tell you what. When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 10 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed.
Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate. It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 10 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this: Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 10 Snickers Snickers satisfies, man. That's a winning play.

Speaker 1 So we're going to run this next week.

Speaker 1 Quickly, tell us your seven fishes because it's going to be right before Christmas.

Speaker 12 Seven fishes.

Speaker 1 What's on the fish?

Speaker 12 Well, like growing up as a kid, yeah, it's challenging now because my wife's got a shellfish allergy. Oh, okay.
And my daughter Gianna's got a shellfish.

Speaker 12 My daughter Gianna, her and I wrote

Speaker 12 an early chapter book. She suffers from juvenile arthritis.
Okay. And we wrote this together.
And I actually visited Chicago Children's Hospital yesterday and brought gifts.

Speaker 12 And she made these pocket full of sunshines, little kits to go to the kids with toys in them, which I'm cool about. So

Speaker 12 I mean, look, if I'm not eating at the house, it'd be lobster. It would be, you know, white fish.

Speaker 12 I would say it would be some clams. Clams?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 What else?

Speaker 12 My late grandma,

Speaker 12 my nana used to make unbelievable stuff, squid. Yeah, and her bread comes with Aldante.

Speaker 12 You know,

Speaker 12 I'm a big Italian sardine guy. I need those omegas for

Speaker 12 my cognitive function.

Speaker 12 I do like a really, really high-end good tuna

Speaker 12 where I'm losing track of numbers. I think that was five.
I think it was five or six, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, if I had to go shrimp, yeah, you know, I would say not shrimp or I would go with just regular peel and eat shrimp. The big

Speaker 12 jumbo shrimp.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 12 Yep. Yeah, with that husradish.
Yep,

Speaker 12 a little appetizer. Best.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 12 So, I mean, I love my wife, makes a really good homemade ravioli, which is kind of cool. And my mother-in-law.

Speaker 2 You might need a Sean Stilato cookbook. That'd be good.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, but I'm mentioning that. But

Speaker 12 we're talking about working out. I mean, my diet is really clean six days a week, like scary clean.
But seventh day,

Speaker 12 I'm eating like I'm 320 pounds.

Speaker 2 Is that Sunday? Sunday. Sunday cheat day.

Speaker 12 And I eat a whole entire bag of kettle chips, jalapeno kettle chips, early afternoon when I'm home with a smile on my face. I love that.
But I'm out there Monday morning and I'm literally

Speaker 12 grinding.

Speaker 2 Not to tell you how to do your job, but you need to have a word with ESPN about the cutlets graphic.

Speaker 2 Did you see the chicken cutlets they put up? Look good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not chicken cutlets.

Speaker 12 No, it isn't. You know, and I don't know.

Speaker 12 Probably the designer was an Italian, you know, the digital guy.

Speaker 2 Representation matters. That's why you need an Italian.

Speaker 12 Hey, but you know, experience creates wisdom. I'm sure they'll get it right the second time.
Yeah, saying, all right.

Speaker 1 Well, Sean, thank you so much. Congratulations again.

Speaker 1 It feels like, you know, everything, these moments that you have in your life where it's like everything's kind of setting into place, it's really cool to watch.

Speaker 12 No, I'm very, very blessed and

Speaker 12 still ultra-motivated, but I'll always be the kid from Witchcraft Heights, 01970. So that being said,

Speaker 12 wax on, wax off.

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Speaker 1 All right, let's wrap up the show.

Speaker 1 Guys on chicks.

Speaker 2 On holidays.

Speaker 1 On holidays?

Speaker 2 It is the holidays. And in the spirit of giving and the holidays, I just like to clean up and I will gladly do another pick this weekend, Hank.

Speaker 5 No extra seven minutes?

Speaker 2 For the holidays. Well, we agreed to the extra seven minutes, but you know what? Oh, for the holidays.

Speaker 1 What are you cleaning up?

Speaker 2 I'm going to wipe that slate clean. You know, it's the spirit of giving, especially to the less fortunate.
And if Hank's comfortable taking the charity of having an extra pick this weekend.

Speaker 2 For the holidays. It's the time to give to charity.
This is the time of year when I opened up my pocketbook to various charities. Henry Lockwood's going to be one of them.

Speaker 2 So, Hank, congratulations on being a charity case and happy holidays.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I was getting frustrated in the moment because it was like one of those clear signs where all you had to do is give in to Hank and everyone be like, Hank, is a charity case. Instead, you resisted.

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, PFT's scared. Yeah.
It was one of the like

Speaker 1 these games come up all the time in this office where it's like, if you react correctly, people are just going to be like, that guy is being a bitch about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So the reason

Speaker 1 for the record, I didn't bring up an extra game.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So the reason why I was upset about it was because Hank has been dancing around this and then he got in Max's ear and told Max to ask for

Speaker 2 the extra game for the holiday. So I was really, I was mad at Hank taking the ultimate coward's way out and not even bringing it up himself.
And so I didn't want to give any ground to that.

Speaker 2 But now I've had some time to think about it. And yeah, let's do.
It's the season of charity giving.

Speaker 1 What were you saying, Max? I said Hank had nothing to do with that. I just thought it would be good for the show if we had an extra game.
Maybe

Speaker 1 made it a little bit more competitive. The pancakes are getting interesting, too.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've gone from first to last within two weeks.

Speaker 1 Jake has been really

Speaker 1 cooking the books.

Speaker 1 Man, if Max lost this too and had to do a 24-hour stream. Do you guys really think I'm cheating? I'll just eat the 24 pancakes.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think you're cheating.

Speaker 1 I like,

Speaker 1 similar to what I was just saying

Speaker 1 with

Speaker 1 the PFT Hank thing, I like saying you're cheating so that you get upset when I will not look into it and I trust you more than any person on this show. Appreciate it.
So

Speaker 1 that's the joke there. Yeah.
Where it's like, you know, it's like you didn't hit a hole in one.

Speaker 2 No, that's true. He did not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, exactly. And that was

Speaker 1 a part of my take. Kirk Manahan would never play something like that.
Okay, guys on chicks.

Speaker 5 Hey guys, my boyfriend and I are in our early 30s and have been living together for about a year now, and neither of us can surprise the other.

Speaker 5 We agreed to find presents for each other scavenger hunt style, like gift cards towards a romantic date night, each other's favorite Christmas treat, and so on.

Speaker 5 Do you guys have any creative scavenger hunt ideas that I can surprise my boyfriend? He's an AWL, loves sports, sports betting, video games, talking shit on Twitter, and arguing football.

Speaker 1 Oh, that means he's definitely a troll. We're also big Florida statements.
Talking shit on Twitter. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So he's extra down this December after getting totally raw by the committee. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1 If the girlfriend knows the boyfriend likes to talk shit on Twitter, that means he has many burner accounts.

Speaker 2 It means that he's talking shit on Twitter a lot. That there's numerous date nights during the week where she's like, what are you doing on your phone?

Speaker 2 He's like, I'm just replying to Big Cat telling me he was a pussy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that means he's a prime candidate for I used to listen to Pardon My Take all the time. Then they let Max on.
Hate the show now.

Speaker 1 Now I only listen all the time.

Speaker 2 And I know that Max is on the show all the time because I listen all the time. Yeah,

Speaker 1 my listening has gone from all the time to all the time.

Speaker 2 We love those people too, by the way, for the record. I do love those people.

Speaker 1 They're passionate.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you've been dating for long enough, it's hard to surprise sometimes.

Speaker 2 I may recommend a tattoo. That's going to be my answer to everything now.
It's just get a tattoo.

Speaker 1 Surprise.

Speaker 5 Confetti bomb.

Speaker 1 Get him a dog.

Speaker 1 That's really all you can do in terms of surprising a significant other. If you've been dating them or married to them for a long time, you have to make a big life decision without consulting them.

Speaker 1 That is a surprise. Buy a house.

Speaker 2 Get him a car. Oh, no, here's what you have to do.

Speaker 1 Here's what you're doing. Like something that's really reckless.

Speaker 2 You go out and you rent a car, and then you put a giant fucking bow on it in the driveway, have him come home, I got you this car, and then like two days later, you're like, we got to take the car back.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be a good surprise. Put your life savings on a parlay.

Speaker 2 Reckless shit. Surprise.
Yeah. Yeah.
People still ice each other. Is that a thing that happens?

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just ice them. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Hey, PMT boys, my boyfriend works Christmas Day, so we're celebrating Christmas Eve and splitting time between his family and mine.

Speaker 5 When I asked him if that's okay, he said, as long as my parents have Sunday ticket.

Speaker 5 I blame you guys for his football obsession, but my question is, should I be annoyed that there's football on a holiday?

Speaker 1 Wait, he works on Christmas Day? That's just watching football?

Speaker 2 Read the question again, Hank.

Speaker 5 My boyfriend works Christmas Day, so we're celebrating Christmas Eve and splitting time between his family and mine. When I asked him if that's okay,

Speaker 5 as long as my parents have Sunday tickets. Christmas Eve Day is a Sunday.

Speaker 2 There's going to be NFL on all day on Sunday. Yeah, I think that's an appropriate question.

Speaker 5 But no, you shouldn't be annoyed.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I don't like when football is on Christmas because it's like

Speaker 1 you already have Christmas. You already have stuff happening.
I'd rather have them be separate. I would.

Speaker 5 But if it's on a Sunday, it's on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. There's nothing you can do about it.
But if I had to pick the perfect time, I think Christmas on Thursday is probably the best. Or Christmas Eve, Thursday.

Speaker 1 So that way, Friday's Christmas, and then you get the extra, you know what I mean? Like you leave work on Tuesday before Christmas.

Speaker 1 And you don't come back till

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 5th?

Speaker 2 I think the perfect setup is Christmas Eve on Wednesday. Wednesday, okay.
Christmas Day on Thursday. Everyone gets that day off.

Speaker 2 Then you have the weekend, and then next week you've got New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 You get like two weeks off. You get two weeks off.

Speaker 2 Yeah, two full weeks off. You get two full weeks off at that point.
That's the ideal setup. Listen, the NFL has this by the balls.

Speaker 2 They could put an NFL game on any calendar day of the year, and we would have no choice but to watch it. Yes.
I'm not going to turn my back on the NFL.

Speaker 1 That's my point. I'd rather...
I'll watch the NFL no matter what. I'd rather have it on a day when we don't have something else.

Speaker 2 If the NFL had a surprise midday game on election election day, democracy would stop in America. There would be no elections anymore.

Speaker 1 Ooh, Christmas is on a Wednesday next year.

Speaker 2 Nice.

Speaker 1 Have you heard anyone talk about the NBA Christmas games this year? No, the NFL has killed it. It's disgusting.
It's crazy. I forgot.
NBA used to be.

Speaker 1 That was when the NBA started. Now, when's the NBA going to start? Well, is that just because the NFL has had the last three years where we've been on a weekend?

Speaker 5 I think so.

Speaker 1 I think that's it, right? Maybe. Like, because they did the Saturday, Christmas date.
Like, last year there was a bunch of games.

Speaker 1 So I think we're now out of the cycle where the NFL will take Christmas. No, they'll find out a way.

Speaker 2 They'll figure out a way. They'll do a special Wednesday game.
Yeah, and it will take a while.

Speaker 1 Thursday night football on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 Yeah. MLB will probably do like their draft on Christmas Day.
Oh, Jared. And nobody will know.
Jared hit me back.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 1 to close a loop on that, Jared Karabas, our good friend who we tried to call at like midnight on Sunday. He hit me back.
He said that

Speaker 1 someone from MLB texted him on Saturday night being like, are you watching this? And he replied, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 And the guy from the MLB was like, exactly, like, this was a bad idea right now.

Speaker 2 When you've lost Jerry Carabas.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You've lost everyone. You've lost him now.

Speaker 1 He didn't know.

Speaker 5 So I just moved in with my boyfriend. I thought it would be a fun idea if we started making nice, elaborate dinners on Sundays since we have time to do so, unlike during the week.

Speaker 5 He doesn't want to because every NFL Sunday he orders a 12-inch Italian sub and a 12-inch cheesesteak for the 1 o'clock and 4 o'clock games.

Speaker 5 He complains non-stop about his stomach hurts all day Sunday, but says it's part of the fun to be immobilized watching football all day with the food. What should I do?

Speaker 2 I mean, this guy's got the plan almost perfectly right. You have to have two separate meals for each game.

Speaker 2 And even if you're not hungry for the 4 o'clock game, you have to start a new meal just to give your body like a new feeling of putting myself through a new experience because there's a new game on.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 All these questions are just kind of like, how come you guys are so degenerate when it comes to your bodies in football?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I wish I operated a different way where I felt good on Sundays. But that's kind of crazy, right?

Speaker 1 Last couple of Sundays when dinner time comes around, I'm like, I don't even know if I want to eat.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I do out of peer pressure.

Speaker 2 Maybe you do a six-inch for each game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 2 And chips.

Speaker 1 Two-sub method. I used to do that all the time.
Just order two when you order subs, and then you have one for later.

Speaker 5 Have him do all the food prep, you can do the cooking.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's not a bad idea.

Speaker 1 Well, it sounds like he's ordering a a part of my cheese steak, so more than married. Plug God, yeah, big cat combo.

Speaker 5 All right, last one. Uh, hey, big cat PFT, big stinky loser Max.
Yep, I have a holiday question for you.

Speaker 5 What is an appropriate price range for a significant other of one year? Love you guys.

Speaker 2 Good question. Are you pregnant

Speaker 2 if you're pregnant? I think it doubles, but I'm gonna say

Speaker 2 $250.

Speaker 1 I was gonna say

Speaker 1 $300 to to $500, depending on how good the blowjobs are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if he's really good.

Speaker 1 If he's good at giving you a blowjob. No,

Speaker 2 if he's good at getting heads. Yeah, yeah.
Like, I'm terrible. I'm maybe the worst person in the world at getting heads.

Speaker 1 Three to five, yeah, a year.

Speaker 1 I think $500 sounds about right. Yeah, like if you're a year is kind of serious.
500 is a lot. A year is kind of serious.

Speaker 2 It depends on what his financial situation is like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This could be a college kid.

Speaker 1 True.

Speaker 2 Yeah, If you're in college, I'd say anywhere. College is different.

Speaker 1 500 bucks. I'm an adult-year relationship.
Is 500 not that crazy?

Speaker 2 If you're 30 or above, I would say 500 is probably in the right zone.

Speaker 5 Once you start at 500 after a year, what's two years?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to leave.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then it goes, remember, it goes down. Like, you go

Speaker 1 until you have to get married, and then after that, you just stop.

Speaker 2 And you just forget everything.

Speaker 1 I don't have to get you. And it's also joint bank account.
Who cares? I'm over 500 this year for the record. Are you? Yeah, just

Speaker 1 everyone knows. Don't worry about it.
No spoilers. Bleep it out.
Why would I

Speaker 2 just not say it? But I want to know.

Speaker 1 You could bleep it out.

Speaker 1 I could just tell you later.

Speaker 5 I just want everyone to bring it up on the show.

Speaker 2 You just wanted to flex and you spent $500.

Speaker 1 Is this a way to get...

Speaker 5 Is it something for yourself, too, though? Is it like a chip? Nope. Nope.

Speaker 2 What Max is doing is very sneaky. His girlfriend's going to hear this, and then she's going to be like, oh, fuck, I got to get it.

Speaker 1 No, it'll be like one of my girlfriend's friends, boyfriends will tell their,

Speaker 1 it'll get back. It'll get back.
Is it vacuum?

Speaker 1 Don't do that, dude. I did that almost

Speaker 2 one year. I almost got a got a girl a Roomba, a really nice one, but like a top-of-the-line one where like I was pumped about it too.

Speaker 2 And then it's like, I thought what I was doing was taking away the responsibility of vacuuming. No.

Speaker 2 But then I thought about it, it's just not a bad, it's not a good look to get a woman a vacuum for Christmas.

Speaker 1 All right, so 300?

Speaker 2 Maybe my worst idea.

Speaker 2 I think it fluctuates anywhere between one and five, depending on what stage of life you're in. Definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think anything over if you're if you're 28 or older, I think 500 is inappropriate for a year. Because that

Speaker 1 28 or older year relationship, that's not, you know, you're not just jumping into year relationships. Yeah.
But if you're in your like early 20s and like 200, 300.

Speaker 2 I think it also matters whether or not this is the first Christmas that they've had together. They've been together for a year.

Speaker 2 What did you get her on the first Christmas?

Speaker 1 Oh, actually, that's actually how it's decided. Are you spending Christmas together? If it's a yes, then it's $500.
If it's a no, then it's like $200. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because if it's, you are, then that's serious. That's families.
That's everything.

Speaker 2 Also, you have to take into account the flight at that age. Yeah.
It's like, oh, well, I spent $300 on the flight, so I'm only spending $100 on your gift.

Speaker 1 True. True.
All right. Good show, boys.
Friday.

Speaker 1 Oh, we have our good friend Julian Edelman back. He's going to be in the studio tomorrow.

Speaker 2 All right, defensive back on the all-white team. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I walked by. They're simming it.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I saw it.

Speaker 1 We were down 12 with a minute left.

Speaker 2 Oh, I saw the entire first half. It looked like I think Tyreek Hill had 250 yards in the first half.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It looked like we were going to cover, though. Yeah.
Yeah, because this is 12 and a half. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 Numbers. 40.
K teams. 71.
3.

Speaker 1 8.

Speaker 5 20.

Speaker 1 Pug.

Speaker 2 Shane 10, Pug 74.

Speaker 1 Are you gonna say it?

Speaker 1 You say it? Pug.

Speaker 1 That's all I need.

Speaker 5 I need Pug to win this.

Speaker 1 I just need Pug.

Speaker 1 What's Pug's number again?

Speaker 1 74.

Speaker 1 Do that thing where you rig it for, but for Pug 74, Pug

Speaker 1 100.

Speaker 1 Is that the first 100 ever? I mean, no, the old machine, every number hit.

Speaker 1 Did we have 100? Come on, Max.

Speaker 2 You know this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You remember when Hank got it for the first time? It was the last number, too. It was a crazy moment in PM.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Mm-hmm.
It's been all nice. Why do you need Pug to get it?

Speaker 2 Because it would be fun. Just fun to root for Pug.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, but you rooting for Pug means you'll never get it.

Speaker 1 Everyone is.

Speaker 1 Like, my team wins more than everyone else's teams in the world. Yeah, but do they? But do they?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Like, that is a narrative that, like, I'm the biggest loser. My teams are the best.
But are they? Yes. You don't win anything.
No one wins anything. But you really don't win anything.

Speaker 1 You never see any wins.

Speaker 2 No, but you have the biggest losses. Correct.
Yeah, which would make you the biggest loser. But you are.

Speaker 1 I've won two Super Bowls, been to an NBA finals.

Speaker 5 Shut up.

Speaker 1 No one cares about you.

Speaker 5 You're hitting another Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 You can't hang the finals because we're going to be able to do that. Won a World Series.

Speaker 2 I got a World Series and a Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 In the last, whatever, 10 years? No. Well, yeah, I mean, I have, if we're talking about 10 years.

Speaker 5 Yes, it's the show started.

Speaker 1 I have a World Series.

Speaker 1 I've only been in here for a year. How many? What do you have since the show started? I have so many finals appearances.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Hang the banner.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So don't root for Pug.

Speaker 1 I'm going to root for Pug. All right.
Well, Pug will never get it. Pet Pug, have you ever gotten this? I've gotten this.
Have you ever gotten it? And the old one. Pug, have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 I have not. Oh.
Thanks to Max. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pug is also an Eagles fan. Yeah, but he's a nice one.
He's different.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're rooting for

Speaker 1 Pug's Eagles. We're not rooting for your Eagles.

Speaker 2 Hey, memes, can we just add in a clip of Max saying, I'm a loser, one more time at the end of the show?

Speaker 1 I am going to edit that in, which I will do it because I just do whatever you guys say.

Speaker 1 You're great at your job, Max. All right.

Speaker 2 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 I am a loser.

Speaker 1 I'm the same

Speaker 1 anyway.

Speaker 1 Days are not a day to find you. Shy away.

Speaker 1 I'm coming to your love up here.

Speaker 1 I'm coming to be loved.

Speaker 1 Don't want me.

Speaker 1 Make me young.

Speaker 1 I need one.

Speaker 1 You don't want me

Speaker 1 Needless to say,

Speaker 1 I'm sentenced, but be stone away.

Speaker 1 The learning plan is okay. Say after me.

Speaker 1 It's for better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 1 It's for better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 1 It's for better to be safe than sorry. Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take me on.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 beg on

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 things I can say that you don't have just like

Speaker 1 to be done, shine away.

Speaker 1 They all be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 They all be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Take on

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Take me up.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 think

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 your deep.