Orlando Magic’s Mo & Franz Wagner, Jake Browning Elite? Lowman Trophy Finalists & Hank/Max 24 Hour Stream

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have two very special guests: the Wagner brothers from the Magic in Studio, Mo and Franz. Great interview with them.
Good to get some NBA players on the show.

Speaker 1 We are going to talk Monday Night Football. Jake Browning is elite.
We're going to reveal the low man trophy finalists,

Speaker 1 which is coming up, because I know they did the Heisman this week, so it's time for our award.

Speaker 5 Who's favorite to win the Heisman?

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels is right now, which Hank did say mission accomplished. So we just got to be careful with that.
There's no... Okay, all right.
Well, listen, we're not even in the show.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to show you the game. The game, the game.
You're right. You're right.
You're right. You're right.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 we're not even in the show yet. I can't text.
No, no, we're not even in the show yet. What game are you?

Speaker 6 You were live texting about Oregon, Washington. Yes.

Speaker 1 That wasn't mission accomplished because I needed Oregon. Whatever.
All right. Neither here nor there.
You needed them to win the game.

Speaker 6 Mission accomplished.

Speaker 1 Neither here nor there. If you can sense Hank's tone,

Speaker 1 he's ready to fight because we are also going to talk about the 24-hour stream that will start today at 9 p.m.

Speaker 1 And Hank has come. He's come with his brass knuckles.
Central time. He's come ready to fight.

Speaker 6 Ready to smile.

Speaker 5 Ready to smile. Ready to smile.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Always ready ready to smile. So we're going to get into all of that.

Speaker 5 Hank stormed into the studio today.

Speaker 1 Yes. Again, we're not even in the show yet.
Hank? It's been a while. We're not even in the show yet.
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Speaker 1 Welcome to Part of My Take. Today is Wednesday, December 6th, and Jake Browning has arrived.
He is elite. I got a question.

Speaker 5 Is Jake Browning him?

Speaker 1 He might be. We watched Monday Night Football.
Everyone expected the Bengals, they were 10-point underdogs, to just roll over. And then Jake Browning said, No, no, no, not so fast.

Speaker 1 32 for 37, 354 yards, and a Bengals win and a Trevor Lawrence injury. And it looks like the entire AFC picture is now up for grabs.

Speaker 5 Yeah, was it four out of seven quarterbacks that are currently in the AFC playoffs? They're on their backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 I think, I, yeah, and I think in the league, I think it's 14 teams are now playing backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 Damn hell, it keeps climbing up those standings.

Speaker 1 This, this, this league, this, this year, if you're wondering, like, hey, why is everything kind of fucked up? Well, yeah, we got a lot of backup quarterbacks going right now. Yeah,

Speaker 1 right now it's the Jags. We don't know how long.

Speaker 1 The Steelers, we don't know how long. The Browns for the rest of the season.
The Colts for the rest of the season.

Speaker 5 I would count Joe Flacco as a starter, though. He's a backup.
He's got starter pedigree. But yeah, it's a bloodbath out there.

Speaker 5 Actually, if you look at the standings right now in the AFC, you could make the argument that 8, 9, and 10

Speaker 5 could beat 5-6 and 7.

Speaker 1 8-9-10 and 11. And 11.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Texans, the Broncos, the Bengals, and the Bills could, like, it's just crazy because this is how the NFL season goes: where you go into the season, you say the AFC is a gauntlet.

Speaker 1 The AFC is going to be incredible to watch. All these great quarterbacks.
Now we're sitting here in the first week of December, and everyone's injured, and the Chiefs have caught their fourth loss.

Speaker 1 And now it all switches to is the NFC the real gauntlet? Is NFC the really the actual conference this year?

Speaker 1 Because, yeah, I mean, if you had to do a power rankings of teams, the NFC would have, what, three of the top five teams right now?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think they would. Yeah, 49ers, I think, number one.

Speaker 1 Yeah. 49ers, one.
Then you could maybe go Ravens or Eagles. Yeah.
And then, you know,

Speaker 1 Cowboys are somewhere in there. And then, I don't know, maybe the Chiefs.
I mean, the Jaguars. Dolphins.
Dolphins. I'm very high on the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The Lions defense.
Lions, it's us. I want to just say real quick, Lions fans, listen,

Speaker 1 we have been very supportive of the Lions. It is not Lions' hate to say can't trust the defense.
That's a statement of fact.

Speaker 1 I still think the Lions will possibly win multiple playoff games, but saying the defense is not good is a true statement of fact. There is no bias.
There's no hate. It's just a fact.

Speaker 1 The Lions don't have a defense that will... The Lions have a defense that will make every game a nail biter.

Speaker 5 I i think the lions can outscore almost anybody though yeah that's the thing which is why i love these lions i feel like dan campbell he can put his foot on the gas and just be like he can will his way into having a tough defense defense he just you know what he'll do he'll just challenge his defense yeah you know what i did this week of practice i challenged my defense to step up yeah and then they'll step up but yeah the jaguars uh it looks like it might have been a lucky break with trevor lawrence can we get him a cart yeah i don't know what jacksonville's doing he was walking all the way to the the locker room that's the thing is like jacksonville i think amongst any city in the USA, Jacksonville, Florida probably has the most golf carts.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And they didn't use a single one on Trevor.
He said he wanted to walk to the training room. Why? I don't know.
I just wanted to show you his tough.

Speaker 1 It was so sad when they showed him back in the tunnel and it was like five minutes later. It's like, here he is.
He's still going.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he walked home last night after the game. But apparently what happened was this is according to Uncle Chaps.
He hurt himself and then he told the guys on the team, like, I don't want a cart.

Speaker 5 I want to walk. I want to look tough.
At that point, you need to be like, no, we're going to get you a car. cart.
You've had, give me your keys. You've had too much.
We've got a driver for you.

Speaker 5 You'll be fine.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Trey Henderson giving him a quick prayer right there. I blame.
In the moment, that was actually very classy.

Speaker 5 The biggest winner of last night was that poor equipment manager, Waterboy, on the Jaguars, who cost them a timeout. That drive was cooking.
He runs onto the field.

Speaker 5 I don't know why he ran onto the field. They charge the Jaguars with a timeout.
I believe it was the first play after that timeout. Trevor Lawrence gets hurt.

Speaker 5 You can't tell me that Trevor Lawrence gets hurt if that guy wasn't on the field. Butterfly effect.
But

Speaker 5 apparently it's a high ankle sprain. And I've got a take that I don't believe.

Speaker 1 You're going to get the surgeries. You're going to get the Alabama ankle?

Speaker 5 No tightrope. Okay.
I'm hearing no tightrope. I just want to get.
I just want it enough. I want to get to this take before Colin Coward or Danny Connell does.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Trevor Lawrence needs to know in that moment, he can't act like that's a season-ending injury. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would have walked off.

Speaker 5 You know what? I would have stayed in the game.

Speaker 1 The way he got up and then he went back down. He did get.
It was weird because there was a high ankle sprain, but he also got like folded in half his knee.

Speaker 5 Right after the high ankle sprain, yeah.

Speaker 1 And now the Jaguars have to go play at the Browns and a good defense, and they have the Ravens after that. Pete Prisco might be sweating a little bit with his Jaguars'

Speaker 1 thoughts, although they finished the season with the Panthers and the Titans. So I think the Jaguars still go to the playoffs, but that sucks.

Speaker 1 It felt like it was the first time I think Jacksonville had a Monday night game in like over a decade. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was also the first time the Bengals won a Monday night game on the road in like 20 years.

Speaker 5 Crisco's kind of walked back that take though. He says that even with Trevor, the defense doesn't look good enough.

Speaker 1 Oh no. Yeah, they did.
Jake Browning was incredible.

Speaker 5 He was good.

Speaker 1 And I know that they have weapons, but Jake Browning, like good for Jake Browning, he probably made, I don't know, 10 plus million dollars being able to be a backup now for a very long time.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was a big night for him. And I think we misjudged Jake Browning on the on the ground beef and honey comment that he made that he only eats ground beef and honey as his diet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's actually kind of cool, but it's also not even like it's it's good. That was my point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like it's it tastes good, it's not like a big sacrifice, but it's kind of I don't know, it's very primal.

Speaker 5 It's like if you see me in a fight with a jaguar, pour honey on me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, uh, the the stat is from Stadhole, uh, that was the first Bengals Monday night road win since 1990.

Speaker 5 It was very weird seeing the Jacksonville pool at night. Yeah.
I can't remember the last time.

Speaker 1 Satan was very uncomfortable with them staying on it. Yeah, I like it.
He was like, get it off.

Speaker 5 I enjoyed it. Get the pool off.

Speaker 5 There was also the matter of a near tie at the end of the game. Yeah.
And it feels like the Bengals tie more than any team in recent history. Yeah.
They just give off tie vibes.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's the Donovan McNabb game. Yeah.
And I think most famous tie ever.

Speaker 5 I think they tied one in England, too. They've had some pretty noteworthy ties recently.
Yeah. This would have been another one.
Did you know? Because I looked it up.

Speaker 5 The Jaguars have never tied a game.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 5 They're the only team in the NFL that have no ties. That's pretty cool.
Do you know who leads leads the league in ties?

Speaker 1 It's got to be an old franchise. Yes.
Because they just did ties and they were like, that's the game. Giants?

Speaker 5 They didn't have overtime for a long time until 1972.

Speaker 5 The Bears. Okay.
You know how many ties the Bears have? 100. They have 42 ties.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 they tie games back in the day.

Speaker 5 Here's the craziest part. They don't have a single tie since 1972.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's all pre-tie ties.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so the Bears, you could say, like, the Bears don't have a tie either. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The ties, yeah, it is pretty crazy that like, you know, pre-1960s, they would just tie games and be like, like thinking even about like Michigan, Ohio State playing. Yeah.
They would just tie.

Speaker 1 That's the end. And be like, that was it.
Guess next year we'll find out who's better. Good game every week.
Like how is that possible? That's the most un-American thing of all time. I agree.

Speaker 1 We also had Christian Kirk

Speaker 1 smash his own nuts. That was tough.
Mr. Belvedere.
I know that it says it's a groin or abdomen, but watching that replay, I think he just squished his own nuts.

Speaker 1 That's why you got to sleep with the pillow in between your legs.

Speaker 5 They called it a core injury. That is your core.
Your nuts are the very definition of your core. It's everything.

Speaker 1 It's your power. It's your life.
It's your virality.

Speaker 5 The interception that Josh Allen had last night was very hilarious. Yes.
That was the definition of too cute. Zach Taylor got a little too cute with it.
You got Jake Browning out there dealing.

Speaker 1 Dealing. 32 for 37.

Speaker 5 And it wasn't only short passes. He was throwing the ball all over the field.
Now, part of that is because I think the Bengals have a pretty good roster. And T.

Speaker 5 Higgins, he's a big difference maker, too. And you can just get the ball in Jamar Chase's hands and he'll do crazy shit with it.
But yeah, Jake Browning looked good.

Speaker 1 Jake Browning had,

Speaker 1 so Trevor Lawrence has been in the league for, what, four years now? Jake Browning had

Speaker 1 the, it would be the third most yards Trevor Lawrence has ever thrown for. So Trevor Lawrence has only thrown his highest game is 368.
He has a game of 364 and Jake Browning yesterday threw for 354.

Speaker 1 It was a great game. Jake Browning might be next up.
It was a really good game. Yeah, and the helmets looked awesome.
So yeah, it was a fun game. It's fun to have these games.

Speaker 1 It's like, hey, it's a reminder. You think that game's going to suck on paper, then it was awesome.
And now we have the Patriots Steelers, and we got to just suck it up.

Speaker 5 What if this game is awesome?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 This game actually could be, it could be so bad that it's fun. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It could be. Broncos Colts last year.

Speaker 5 Broncos Colts sucked.

Speaker 11 It was so bad that it was memorable.

Speaker 5 It sucked for about three quarters and then it got fun. It got funny.
This might be fun the entire time because it's going to be so bad.

Speaker 1 It's, yeah, it could be very funny.

Speaker 1 Before we talk about Thursday, because we're going to have that stream as well, memes, Zach Wilson. So that's a thing.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson, if people missed it, Zach Wilson, Robert Salah, said that he's thinking about going back to Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 And now Zach, there's a report that Zach Wilson's thinking about not playing because why would he?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then Aaron Rodgers also said that that report was horseshit. Oh, yeah.
Aaron does with the media, but it was an anonymous source.

Speaker 5 So you have to take that with a grain of salt.

Speaker 5 If Zach Wilson doesn't want to come back and play, that's some bullshit right there. That's bullshit.
Like, they rode with you for a long time. They're trying to go back to you.

Speaker 5 It's not like they mistreated Zach Wilson.

Speaker 5 We can fairly say that, right? Like, there are some players where you can make an argument. They never really got a fair shake, whether it be like coaches being fired, thrown under the bus by people.

Speaker 5 Zach Wilson was put on top of the bus.

Speaker 1 I think he's just

Speaker 1 thinking, like, they're probably going to cut me so I don't want to get injured. But yeah, Robert Slot stayed with you for a lot longer than he should have.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably Probably to his own detriment.

Speaker 5 For sure, for his own detriment. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He had every opportunity to throw Zach under the bus.

Speaker 5 After every game where Zach would do something new that was a completely brand new fuck-up for him, Robert Salat would be like, you know, there's some things that I think he could do better.

Speaker 5 But, you know, I think he's the kind of guy that's going to get in the film room and work on things, and we won't make the same mistake twice.

Speaker 5 He always said, like, he had the nicest way of saying, Zach Wilson sucks. He sucks up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 He sucks. So if that report's true,

Speaker 5 I mean, I don't really think he had much of a career lined up as a backup. He doesn't give me backup vibes.
Your backup can't have a bandana.

Speaker 1 But you know, it's the NFL, and there's always a coach who's like, I can fix that.

Speaker 1 And they're like, oh, well, his arm talent's still there.

Speaker 1 You got a bunch of Billy footballs running around as OCs being like,

Speaker 1 I could get the most out of that.

Speaker 5 That's a very scary thought.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's true. Like, everyone thinks, you know, you always, it seems like you always get at least one more shot.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if you're, if you're, what was he, second? Second overall. Second overall, there'll be a team that brings him on.

Speaker 1 And even Josh Rosen got a couple other bounce back spots that he didn't, he didn't get a lot of like playing time, but he at least got a look. Yeah.
Guys get looks.

Speaker 5 So yeah, memes, what do you think? Do you need the do you need the Zach Wilson Spark?

Speaker 1 Well, right now, it's just a total disaster. They cut Tim Boyle today.
Why?

Speaker 5 They lanced him.

Speaker 1 They brought in Brett Ripen.

Speaker 1 Ripon? Yeah.

Speaker 5 So I think I'm going to guess he's going to be the quarterback.

Speaker 1 This is so

Speaker 1 this is so

Speaker 1 this is like they're they're actually it feels like the jets are running a fundraiser to see who will start a quarterback might as well just do that like why not just have a fan giveaway play a game for the jets as quarterback billy like yeah like the movie invincible yeah it does seem

Speaker 1 like make a wish it's it's insane that they're i mean

Speaker 1 they cut tim boyle being like yeah we'll figure we'll get someone else Yeah, I mean, you're already at Tim Boyle.

Speaker 5 Where is Colt McCoy? Where is Colt McCoy? What is Colt McCoy doing right right now? And how does he not have this?

Speaker 1 Why is an RG3? Oh, he wants it. Yeah, he wants that shit.

Speaker 5 RG3 will take it. Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's actually ironic because

Speaker 11 Grit Week 2021, Billy bought a Zach Wilson jersey at the Football Hall of Fame in Canton.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really? At the gift shop. Yeah.

Speaker 5 There was a Zach Wilson jersey in the Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 He was a rookie. He hadn't played yet.
So it was like a big deal.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's bad. I'm reaching out to RG3 right now for a comment.
Would you play for the Jets? I will update you. He's going to be like, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 Do you, Max, also for you, Shaq Leonard?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Big Dom picking him up at the airport.

Speaker 11 That was old. That was last week's picture when he visited.
He picked him up from the airport.

Speaker 1 Ah, so is Big Dom in

Speaker 1 jail? Is he in trouble?

Speaker 11 I'm pretty sure he was on Chris Long's show.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's wearing a wire? Was that not last week as well? Or earlier?

Speaker 6 That could have also been earlier.

Speaker 1 I think Big Dom might be in trouble because the NFL is going to.

Speaker 11 Well, the NFL is going to come for him, and then that might be the best thing.

Speaker 1 The Eagles might have to leave the NFL.

Speaker 1 Leave the NFL? Well, I guess.

Speaker 1 No, they're just going to

Speaker 1 go to the SEC or something.

Speaker 5 I think it'd be funny if Dom came out on the sidelines with a whole new look, like a mustache.

Speaker 5 He's in witness protection program. No, because then it wouldn't be Dom.

Speaker 11 If he came in looking like a nerd?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.

Speaker 11 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 11 You don't take the Italian out of Dom.

Speaker 1 You You don't nerdify Dominic.

Speaker 5 Come on.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is Dom we're talking about

Speaker 11 Shaq Leonard Shaq Leonard, big pickup. You need guys.

Speaker 1 He's a guy.

Speaker 5 Text back from RG3. I said, would you play for the Jets? Hypothetically.
RG3 says hypothetically, yes.

Speaker 1 Okay, he's in.

Speaker 5 Robert Griffin III has agreed to play for the New York Jets. Memes, make the call.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Why not do it, memes? I mean, why not? Let's just run it. There's no reason.
Let's see how weird we could get this season. Right.

Speaker 5 That's what I'm saying. Bring Tebow back.
Yeah. RG3, Colin Kaepernick, Johnny.

Speaker 1 Stephen George. Just do it all.
They're far from the best. They're releasing like everybody they signed during the preseason, too.
This season is just an absolute disaster.

Speaker 1 It's very funny.

Speaker 5 Our friend Steve Palazzolo from Pro Football Focus, he had a good idea, which is that there should be no trade deadline for quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I agree with that.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 You should be able to, for the good of the league, you should be able to move some of the, like, imagine Kyler Murray could have stepped in on the Jets this year.

Speaker 1 I think, did we talk about that like a month ago? I don't know. I think we did.
But yeah, there should not be. There should not be because it would be better for the game.
Yep. If we had that chance.

Speaker 1 Okay. We talk a little college football.

Speaker 1 And then we got to get to the 24-hour stream.

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Speaker 1 What's this look, Hank? Did you want

Speaker 1 mad dogging? Was the low man part of Hot Sea Quilt Roan or do you want to do it now?

Speaker 5 I think Low Man deserves it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do too so yeah we'll talk college football jaden daniels is a finalist for the heisman it's he marvin harrison michael pennix and bow nicks i also liked that the heisman released it and put out all their stats and jaden daniels just has better stats than all of them uh i think all the votes have been cast so we i don't think meeting members are allowed to talk about no they aren't after they aren't so it's in god's hands now i think they should have invited sweat from texas you got to get one big boy up there yeah i mean jordan travis too they said it was such a big deal that he wasn't invited.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're going to do that, Jake?

Speaker 10 I mean, I saw it online, but it's true.

Speaker 1 Like, at least invite him. Yeah, no, his numbers probably weren't there to be invited.

Speaker 5 We know who's actually to blame for Florida State not getting in now. We found that out yesterday.
Who? It's Jake Sky Trump. Oh.
Actually, it's not Jake Sky Trump. It's DeSantis DeSanctimonious.

Speaker 5 Trump weighed in on it. Yeah.
Trump weighed in on it and said on Truth Social, it's a really bad lobbying effort. Let's blame DeSanctimonious.
I like that. Meatball Ron is to blame.

Speaker 5 And to be fair, I didn't hear Ron DeSantis say shit.

Speaker 1 No, he wasn't fighting.

Speaker 5 Wait, is Florida, is Florida State University, is that a school that's run by the state of Florida? It is. Who's the governor of Florida? DeSanctimonius.
Meatball Ron said something.

Speaker 1 Also, sign up.

Speaker 10 Rick Scott released a statement, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 This part of the process is people just releasing statements and strongly worded letters.

Speaker 1 I think they even actually, I think Rick Scott said that

Speaker 1 the state of Florida is going to give a million dollars to sue the NCAA, which will I'm sure that's going to work out. Yeah, that's going to be like two days of lawyers.
Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 1 They're just going to be like, all right, we got nothing.

Speaker 5 This is, I always love it when politicians weigh in like a week late on a sports issue that their staff has told them that they should talk about because it's relevant right now.

Speaker 5 And they always mispronounce the player's name, screw everything up.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 Ted Cruz said basketball goal?

Speaker 5 The basketball ring, maybe?

Speaker 1 Yeah, or something like that.

Speaker 5 I think, was it Ted Kennedy that messed up David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez? Yeah, there's

Speaker 1 Hondo. It's bad.
KG and Honda. Whatever politicians try to get in the mix with sports.
But yeah, the FSU,

Speaker 1 the fans, I think, are, you know, we said this on Sunday, but the good news is you can fight about this on Twitter forever. Yeah.
And they are. And they should.
You should keep going. You should.

Speaker 5 Like, keep doing it. 100% use this as an opportunity if you beat Georgia to claim that natty.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 without a doubt.

Speaker 5 We'll sell national championships.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, yeah. We're in.
We're fighting for Florida State.

Speaker 1 And then we had the transfer portal, which I think there was like 4,000 kids went in the trans. It's insanity.

Speaker 1 And there's also a little smoke going around Ohio State because they had 11 guys go in the transfer portal, including Kyle McCord.

Speaker 1 And then there's some reports that Ryan Day is maybe shopping himself to the NFL.

Speaker 5 Interesting. So that never works, though.
No. The only time that's ever worked, Jimmy Johnson, right? Yeah.
Who else?

Speaker 1 No, it's you can't

Speaker 1 shop yourself. Or you're talking about college.

Speaker 5 Jumping from college to the Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 Harbaugh. Pete Carroll, but he was NFL then.

Speaker 5 He was an NFL first.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But strictly like a college coach jumping to the NFL. I think the only times it's worked Jimmy Johnson, and then you can make the case.

Speaker 1 We're probably missing one. We always do this to ourselves.

Speaker 1 Matt Ruhl. Matt Ruhl.
Matt Ruhl.

Speaker 5 Urban Meyer.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Steve Sperrier. Barry Switzer run.
He won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 He did with Jimmy Johnson's guys. So that was, yeah, a little asterisk there.
Nick Saban. Joey Harrington said that Nick Saban, they were turning the corner.

Speaker 5 Bobby Petrino.

Speaker 1 They were ready to go.

Speaker 1 Bobby is the one. A lot of failed guys.

Speaker 5 He rode it on a cocktail napkin and left it in the locker room. Yeah.
Peace him out. Cliff Cambrian.

Speaker 10 He was a business Ryan, 52 and 48.

Speaker 1 But he was NFL first.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he was with the Patriots and then

Speaker 5 he went to the Penn State and then he went to the Texans.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So yeah, it's tough.
It's a tough jump to make.

Speaker 5 I just want to go ahead and predict this. Whatever team hires Ryan Day as an NFL coach will be a complete failure.
God help their soul. It would be funny.

Speaker 5 I'm not rooting for the Panthers to keep up this streak that they're on with Tepper, but it would be a Tepper move to just like forget his second-to-last mistake and go back to that well again.

Speaker 5 Give him a seven-year contract and be like, boom, splash play. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Look, we got the hot name that has just been dragged and can't beat. I mean, that would be an all-time coward move by Ryan Day.
Yes. Run away from Michigan.
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 You have to stay. You have to stay and try to beat them.
You have to go out on a win.

Speaker 5 Basically, you have to just figure out a way to cheat harder.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's the name of the game in college football.

Speaker 1 Cheat harder, get better players. I mean, they already get really good players, but they got to figure, yeah.
Ryan Day, you can't do it. You can't do it.
Okay, lowman trophy.

Speaker 5 Yes, the most prestigious award.

Speaker 1 Oh, we forgot Chip Kelly. He was great.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Chip Kelly was good for one season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Remember he coached the Niners for a season? Yeah, that was weird. I forget that.
That was weird.

Speaker 5 But he was good on the Eagles for one season. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the Lowman Trophy. It's the most prestigious award in college football.
It goes to the nation's top fullback.

Speaker 5 I sent out the ballots over the weekend to get our finalists down. There are a lot of great fullbacks out there, and the committee is strong this year.
Committee is very strong.

Speaker 5 On the committee, I have received word from Cole Kubelik, John Kuhn. We've got Aaron Ripkowski.
We've got Lorenzo Neal.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Mike Allstott, just a who's who. I like this.
The fullbacks weighing in on this award, as well as Hank slash Tom Fernelli.

Speaker 5 And Andy Staples is on there too. So

Speaker 5 we have our finalists right now. So I'm just going to read them down for you.

Speaker 5 The finalist for the low-man trophy, the best fullback in college football. Ben Sinnett from Kansas State.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Ernest Crownrower from Texas AM.

Speaker 1 What a name.

Speaker 5 Max Bredesen from Michigan. Khalil Mullings from Michigan.
Great names. Owen Burke from Air Force.
Stone Eby from SMU. Hayden Large from Iowa.
Eli Heidenreich from Navy.

Speaker 5 Hayden Reich literally translates to Argentina.

Speaker 1 I love that. Yes.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 we've got some good names. I think these are the most full-backest names in the history of the low-man trophy that we're dealing with right now.
I just actually had one more come in.

Speaker 5 Okay, it's another nomination for Ernest Crownrower from Texas AM. So people might be asking,

Speaker 1 is he at the leg up right now?

Speaker 5 He might. Well, I...

Speaker 6 I'm leaning large just after hearing the names.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
You're a large Heisman winner.

Speaker 5 That would be good. I mean, hate and large going into the season, I think he was the favorite just for the picture.
And he is the guy that's like 6'3,

Speaker 5 280, 290.

Speaker 1 When are we gonna announce it?

Speaker 5 Um, so we could either announce it on

Speaker 1 Barstall Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 So in the pregame ceremony, we'll do it last year. It went to Hunter Lepkey.
He's on the Cowboys now.

Speaker 5 So we'll announce it in the pregame for the Arizona Bowl between Wyoming and Toledo. Yes.

Speaker 10 I think we're on the air around 4 p.m. Eastern Time.
Okay. December 30th.
Nice.

Speaker 1 So So that's going to be

Speaker 10 on barstool.tv. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we talk about the elephant in the room?

Speaker 1 Max?

Speaker 5 That was mean.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Max. That was mean.

Speaker 1 24-hour stream is starting today, 9 p.m. Central.

Speaker 1 It's going to be on the Pardon My Take YouTube. For people who don't remember Mount Rushmore season, this was the punishment.

Speaker 1 Max and Hank will be going into a room room and they will not leave for 24 hours outside of bathroom breaks.

Speaker 5 What's the famous saying? Hell is other people?

Speaker 5 So basically, you're just going to be hanging out with another guy in a room for 24 hours. 24 hours.
There will be challenges. There will be activities.

Speaker 5 None of which you are aware of.

Speaker 1 So you guys are very nervous. We had a meeting yesterday.
Okay, you're not nervous. Sorry, one on the record, not nervous.
We had a meeting yesterday, and PFT can back me up. Jake was there as well.

Speaker 1 I said, quote, there can't be anything that is deemed as torture.

Speaker 1 That's what I said. I said, there can't be, there was ideas thrown out there, and I said, no, that's like borderline torture.
We're not doing torture.

Speaker 1 We have activities for you guys to fill your hours.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you guys won't be bored.

Speaker 1 Right. We're doing things that like will be fun, that people will have fun watching you do.
So what is your issue? Who said there was issues? Oh, you guys have so many issues. Shut up.

Speaker 5 You came in the room and you're like, we got some stuff we have to talk about.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. Let's hear it.

Speaker 6 No, and this is a losing battle. And I know the gaslights are on.
The lamps are fully stocked with oil and ready to.

Speaker 1 Is it oil or is it gas?

Speaker 6 Whatever it might be.

Speaker 6 And this might sound like sour grapes, and it probably is.

Speaker 1 Pick Jerome Bettison the Rams. If

Speaker 9 the conditions were reversed.

Speaker 5 Before Hank starts to complain about it.

Speaker 1 I want to ask you a question, Hank.

Speaker 5 I want to read a quote from Hank. Hey, it's actually you talking because it's your own words.
This is from June 28th, 2023. I let my entire family down with today's Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 5 Simply have to be better. You yourself admitted that this is a self-inflicted wound.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, this is, I have no issue.

Speaker 6 We lost Mount Rushmore. I had an axe on my team.
I was really just anchored.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's nothing I can do about that.

Speaker 6 It is what it is.

Speaker 1 What about the week that you hit hunted the final week? What about the week that you got too drunk one Friday and then you were like,

Speaker 1 I couldn't do it. What about the week when he went away and I was dominated? That's great.

Speaker 5 Hank's gasoliting you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You guys stacked the deck.

Speaker 9 You guys stacked the deck. You said, hey, me and Bitcoin.

Speaker 5 Every accusation from Hank is

Speaker 6 like an entire pie chart of the fans of the show are fans of me and BitCap. Let's be on one team.

Speaker 6 You guys who just started on the show and Hank as another team.

Speaker 1 Wait, just started? Billy and I, Max, we've been on the show for nine months.

Speaker 13 We were last place for like three straight weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is a lot of fun. Yeah, and then Billy started buying votes.
So your issue is is Mrs. Powell Rush.
This isn't nothing. I might have

Speaker 1 to go at me right now. Yeah, this is.
Hank is just shooting at everyone. I'm not.

Speaker 6 No, again, like, this is.

Speaker 1 You're not.

Speaker 5 Again, he's not a bad person. Not Rushmore is the past.

Speaker 6 We lost Freshmore fair and square.

Speaker 1 You've attacked everyone in this fair so far.

Speaker 5 This is a reverse Bukaki.

Speaker 6 My, again, and it is what it is.

Speaker 6 Is it?

Speaker 1 I'm a solemn. Is it what it is?

Speaker 6 I'm ready for battle. If we're not allowed to have our phones for 24 hours,

Speaker 1 you have opportunities opportunities to win your phones.

Speaker 6 Is if situations were reversed, you guys would have rigged this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I said, yes. Starting at 9 p.m.
I agree.

Speaker 9 It's crazy. Why?

Speaker 1 Because we have a full day of work.

Speaker 6 It's basically you're making us do a 36 hour straight weight. Like it's not, if we were starting at a time where it makes sense for 24 hours and you can rest.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be up all day. Why don't you start at 8?

Speaker 5 Why don't you nap during the day?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could nap. You could work sleep in the street.
You had to do two days a day. But you can work sleep in the stream.

Speaker 1 But that's.

Speaker 1 You're allowed to stream. He didn't think about that.

Speaker 6 No, I have thought about that.

Speaker 1 He doesn't want to talk about it. Are you afraid that you're going to get a boner in your sleep?

Speaker 6 I'll definitely. I mean, everyone gets boners in their sleep.

Speaker 1 That's natural. Hey, what a bunch of PWLs watching ain't get a boner to sleep.
Okay, new rule.

Speaker 5 You have to sleep on your back and only in boxer shorts.

Speaker 6 No, sleep talking is a concern

Speaker 1 for sure.

Speaker 6 But I just, it's if the situation's reversed, it just, it's agreed. You guys would make this way easier for yourself.

Speaker 10 I do remember Grit Week 2020, the 24 hours, we started at noon.

Speaker 1 Great, Jake. So, what time do you want to start? No, it is what it is.
It's too late. We can't switch.
We can't switch. You want to start at 8? You want to start a little earlier? No, that would be.

Speaker 12 No, 8 would hurt us.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 Get in there at 8.

Speaker 11 Because we're not recording until after Thursday Night Football.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it doesn't make a difference. That doesn't make any difference.

Speaker 1 Because you would have to record after that.

Speaker 1 You can come watch Thursday Night Football with us.

Speaker 11 No, but that means nothing.

Speaker 1 Hank. I'm going to sleep by Thursday Night Football.
100%.

Speaker 11 But we have to do the show after.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 6 So it's basically we're doing a 40-hour

Speaker 11 stream. That's fine.

Speaker 1 You're not. You're not coming to sleep in.
You're not. Hank.

Speaker 5 What part of this don't you understand? At 2 o'clock? It starts at 9 p.m. on Wednesday.
2 o'clock. And then it ends.
No, it starts at 9 p.m. on Tuesday.
No, no.

Speaker 1 On Wednesday.

Speaker 1 He said he has. I said, you can sleep in.
He said, we have advisors. We have advisors at 2 o'clock.

Speaker 5 You're going to start this stream at 9 p.m. on Wednesday, and then you're going to be done at 9 p.m.
on Thursday. You can sleep on Wednesday afternoon.
You can sleep over the course of the night.

Speaker 5 I don't see what the problem is.

Speaker 6 You're going to make me be awake for the Patriot stream.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You can go sleep. You can sleep on the stream.
Yeah. I don't want to sleep on the stream.

Speaker 5 I think you're just.

Speaker 1 I would sleep on the stream.

Speaker 12 We could do a little, we could take a couple little snoozes.

Speaker 1 You have to sleep. Why don't you just take a bunch of NyQuil tonight and sleep in?

Speaker 1 He already did that on Sunday.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 9 My plan is I.

Speaker 6 I freeballed some NyQuil the other night.

Speaker 6 I overdosed my bad.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't have the cup.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Oh, you just guessed it?

Speaker 6 I just did two gulps.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Two gulps is too much.
So your issue is... I don't have anything.
You're mad about the Mount Rush for

Speaker 6 Smiles. I'm not mad about Mount The Mount Realmore.
I'm really excited for the stream. It's going to be a lot of chatting with the chat, a lot of interaction.

Speaker 1 Would you guys like to start at 8 so that way you can sleep during the Patriots game and then we can do the show at 11? No, I would rather start at 9. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 11 I don't understand why you want to start at 8.

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to help Hank in any way that he wants.

Speaker 5 See, the problem that Hank's found himself in right now is he wants something to complain about. So when we start to address his concerns, then he acts like that doesn't actually address his concern.

Speaker 6 I have no complaints. I have no concerns.

Speaker 6 My only point... which is valid and Big Hat has said it is like if you guys had lost, you guys would be doing like six hours and be on your phone.

Speaker 1 That's not true. We would not be doing six hours.
We'd be doing 24 hours. And I I would go without my phone.
And you still have a chance to win your phone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think we can be complaining until.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 1 That's the point. You're pre-complaining.
I'm not complaining. You're actually doing the worst thing possible.
I'm pre-claiming. I'm excited.
Here's a little tip. If you had not complained

Speaker 1 for the last 15 minutes,

Speaker 1 you had gone into the 24-hour stream and you realized that it was not bad. And then maybe we do one bad thing and you're like, this is bullshit.
All the fans would be like, yeah, that is bullshit.

Speaker 1 Instead, you pre-complain. I have not.
And the fact that it's going to actually be fun and fun to watch, you're going to look like a big pussy.

Speaker 6 Well, it's a good thing I haven't complained then.

Speaker 1 Right, yeah, right.

Speaker 5 Except when you stormed in here this morning, you're like, we talked about this. It's bullshit.
Why are we starting at this? We have very.

Speaker 1 Do you want to know one thing we're going to do? No, no, no. No, no, no.
Let's keep. Let's go.
No, no. It's a good teaser for the people to watch.
You want to know one thing you're going to do?

Speaker 1 You guys are going to paint. You're going to paint some art for us.

Speaker 1 Okay, so there you go.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We already didn't know that.

Speaker 1 Can I bring a book?

Speaker 1 There will be reading materials for you.

Speaker 5 You're going to read, Hank?

Speaker 6 You could. Yeah, or a new popcorn reading.

Speaker 1 There's a chance you're going to get

Speaker 1 to play some video games. Like, there's fun things that are involved in this.

Speaker 5 There will be physical activity. Yeah.
Like, you're going to get a sweat.

Speaker 1 You're going to get a nice sweat. You're also going to get four meals from Chef Donnie.

Speaker 5 How about that?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you complaining makes you look like a baby. Really nothing.
It's going to be fun. I haven't complained.

Speaker 1 We've come up with all these things that will make it fun for people to watch and fun for you guys to interact. I have one fear.

Speaker 11 I have one fear and one fear on.

Speaker 1 Tell Mac. Tell us, please don't complain.
Poop. Oh.
Blindfolded. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You blindfold poop.

Speaker 11 I don't know what that means, but as long as

Speaker 1 you guys are.

Speaker 1 This was part of.

Speaker 12 I need to take an emodium before I get to it.

Speaker 1 No, this was part of the torture talk. There will be.

Speaker 1 There will be a litter box.

Speaker 1 There will be no restrictions on using the bathroom. Okay.
It will be, but it's Scouts honor. Like, don't start going to the bathroom every two minutes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But if you guys need to go to the bathroom, you have to go to the bathroom. We're not going to try to torture you.
Like, when you need to go, you have to, you can go.

Speaker 11 I'm fine with pissing in bottles, but no,

Speaker 1 you can go piss too. We're not.
Be careful with that one. We're not making this.

Speaker 1 We literally, Max, we're making it so that Hank can't complain because we know that that's what Hank wants to do. So we had this discussion.
We're like, should we do bathroom breaks? No.

Speaker 1 If you have to go to the bathroom, you just raise your hand. Go to the bathroom.
All right.

Speaker 6 I would never complain. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 What's this? This is going to suck for you now because you complained. I haven't.

Speaker 1 I haven't complained at all. It's going to be fun.

Speaker 5 Have a positive attitude about it, Hank, because this.

Speaker 9 I always have a positive attitude.

Speaker 1 There's positive on this show. Yeah.
What was your question?

Speaker 6 What is the golden mug tie-in?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to be doing golden mug stellar blue on Thursday. So there will be a chance for people who want to buy something on stellbluecoffee.com that day.

Speaker 1 We will give out a phone number that people can call into and talk to Hank and Max at some point in the stream. We have guests, too.

Speaker 10 This will be all in the part of my take YouTube, correct?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
We have guests.

Speaker 5 I'm going to get a tattoo. I believe the Twitch channel, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's going to be great. It's going to be so much fun.

Speaker 6 I'm excited.

Speaker 1 No, you're not. No, I'm not.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I'm excited.

Speaker 5 I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 Max, Max. Credit to Max.
He has not complained once. He gets the credit.
I did. I did question the poop.

Speaker 11 That was the only answer.

Speaker 1 And I answered it. Do you think that's a good answer? Yeah.
No, whenever you need to go.

Speaker 1 That was my only word.

Speaker 5 Hank, you've been in jail before. This is going to be so much easier.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's literally, it's not even a box. The original idea was going to be like a white box.
You're in a podcast room.

Speaker 5 Yeah. We're going to put like a straitjacket on you.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 pointing. Waiting for credit.
You're waiting for somebody to complain. Credit to you? For what? For not complaining.
Okay, credit to how long for not complaining. How long were you in jail for?

Speaker 8 How many hours?

Speaker 1 24 time. Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's multiple.

Speaker 6 I was in jail from like 3 o'clock p.m. We got arrested thinking we were going to get out the same day.
We got in the car. They're like, yeah, you guys got arrested way too late in the day.

Speaker 6 We're not going to be able to process you till the morning. So we got arrested as early as you can get.

Speaker 6 So you have to be in there all day and not get out till the next morning. So we were there from like 3 p.m.
till 7 a.m.

Speaker 5 That's hard time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Hard time. Diaper boy.
I'm thinking Hank might have some text messages he's going to want to be responding to. It might be hard to explain

Speaker 5 what you're up to.

Speaker 1 Tiffany can watch the stream. Yeah, in the chat.

Speaker 1 All right. What?

Speaker 1 You have one last thing?

Speaker 1 One last non-complaint? No, not a complaint.

Speaker 6 A goal. Excitement.

Speaker 11 It would be sick. I don't know how we could do this.

Speaker 6 But we have 970,000 on TikTok. Like 900, what do we have on Instagram memes?

Speaker 1 Subathon.

Speaker 6 946, 946, and Twitter.

Speaker 5 We have 905.9.

Speaker 6 905.9. If there was ever, I don't know what the add-on would be, but

Speaker 6 this could be me volunteering, not complaining, volunteering. If we can somehow get all three to one million in the same stream, I would do another 24 hours.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. What about a month?

Speaker 1 You do a month?

Speaker 1 No. Oh.
Is that what you're asking, memes? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 8 Get YouTube to a million too.

Speaker 5 One of my ideas that we're not doing, because it's torture, would be just Hank sitting and staring at a camera without saying a word for five hours.

Speaker 1 That's called Sunday night in the part of my take studio. That's true.
You think you could do that, Hank?

Speaker 1 I could do anything.

Speaker 1 You could do anything.

Speaker 1 You're a smart boy. Strong.
Smart. You're looking.

Speaker 5 Yeah, except for Winmount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Jerome Bettis.

Speaker 5 You lost the Taco Bell vote. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Although that was bullshit because Jake and Billy just did AI'd version. Yeah, it's true.
Never eaten Taco Bell.

Speaker 10 I've never had Taco Bell. What do you want me to do?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's do hot seat, cool throne.
Are you processing? I feel like you have your processing face on.

Speaker 1 Excited face. Excited.
Okay.

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Speaker 1 Hot seat, cool throne, Hank.

Speaker 6 My hot seat, we just talked about it was me and Max. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 You want to talk about more? No.

Speaker 5 What did you have written down for your hot seat for that?

Speaker 1 That sounds like a complaint. It's just a lot of complaints.

Speaker 6 I have written down hot seat, me, and Max.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Glad we covered that.

Speaker 5 Are you sick?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm recovering.

Speaker 6 And this is going to just, whatever.

Speaker 1 It's so close to a complete.

Speaker 6 My cool throne is video games. Yes.
It's been a big, big month for video games. I feel like Fortnite has come back.
They've had their highest player base ever.

Speaker 6 Warzone's coming out today. I'm missing out on the Warzone premiere because of the 24-hour stream, but it dropped on Wednesday.
And then GTA 6 finally released their trailer yesterday.

Speaker 1 And yeah, that's, we've done it. We've gotten to the point where I can't tell if it's a video game or real life.

Speaker 6 Unfortunately, it doesn't come out until like 2027.

Speaker 1 But that clip of the of the girl shaking her booty on the car, I was like, is that real? I don't.

Speaker 1 It finally happened where my brain can't process video games in reality. Yeah.

Speaker 5 When GTA first came out, it was...

Speaker 1 Possible.

Speaker 5 It was unlike anything you'd ever seen. Like no other, no previous video game even allowed you to come close to like breaking the law like that, except for maybe like cruising USA.

Speaker 5 But then GTA pops out, and you're like, you can just drive over every pedestrian, pick up hookers, shoot people on the street.

Speaker 5 It's awesome.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they're back. I feel like the original GTAs, though, like, it was impossible to, like, you'd get a crime and then you'd be arrested within a minute.
It was so hard to evade the cops.

Speaker 5 Yeah, all those stars.

Speaker 6 Yeah. But then it got fun.

Speaker 6 So, yeah, video games are back.

Speaker 5 I'm excited for Warzone. GTA does look sweet.

Speaker 5 Looks so sweet. Gonna have to get in.
Looks so sweet. My hot seat is amateurism.

Speaker 5 Amateurism on the hot seat. The NCAA is putting forth a new, I don't know if it's a regulation or just an opportunity.

Speaker 5 They're making it so that certain colleges, any college, as a matter of fact, can contribute up to $30,000 a year, put it in a trust

Speaker 5 for 50% of their athletes. So this is a big step towards getting players actually paid, like paid by the schools.
That's the difference.

Speaker 5 Like NIL, you can have a group of the biggest car dealerships in Knoxville, Tennessee get together and they're like, hey, we've got $5 million for you to give out to anybody that's at the transfer portal.

Speaker 5 And then the school will then interface with the player, recruit them. The NIL group will then be like, okay, we're going to pay you.
Now this could directly come from the school itself. Nice.

Speaker 5 Which pretty much means... Like, we're going to have, if you think that the haves and have-nots are bad right now, once this gets into place, it's going to be like the major leagues, right?

Speaker 5 College sports, yes, and then everybody else is the minor leagues.

Speaker 1 If this actually ends up happening, but I read a whole article and I got more confused.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the article I read was pretty much like if you're a rich school with a big endowment and a wealthy alumni base, congratulations, Texas AM, because you're going to be congratulations.

Speaker 5 Yeah, finally, Texas AM will be able to afford

Speaker 5 to pay money to try to get wins. Uh, my cool throne is Jokic.
Yeah, Jokic.

Speaker 5 Did you know that he leads the NBA in points, rebounds, and assists right now? Jesus. It's fucking insane what Jokic is doing.
He's so good.

Speaker 5 I feel like we're in the trap of not appreciating how great Jokic is. Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 5 Take more time. Jake, can you put a reminder?

Speaker 5 Do a monthly reminder. Appreciate it.
A monthly reminder.

Speaker 10 What day of the month do you want it?

Speaker 8 Wait, what number is he?

Speaker 1 That's 15?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 He's four. No.
15. Yeah.
I knew it. All right.
I know ball. Is that a good plan?

Speaker 10 15th every month?

Speaker 5 On the 15th of every month, we should set aside to

Speaker 5 remind ourselves that Jokic, Jokic is on the business.

Speaker 1 We did this a few years ago with Steph Curry. Yeah.
He's the best player in the world.

Speaker 5 I know, Steph Curry washed.

Speaker 1 We also will have an NBA preview probably in two months with Ryan Rosillo, so get ready for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jokic is out of this world good.

Speaker 5 Did you see that thread that Rosillo put out the other day

Speaker 5 of him on the artwork for part of my take episodes, and he gets progressively fatter?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if we're doing that on purpose, but it's funny if we are. Shout out, Trigg.
I think Triggs doing it on purpose. Yeah, I love that.
Good work on that. I love that.
I love that.

Speaker 1 Well, Rossillo figured it out. I know.

Speaker 9 He said to keep it in the dark for as long as possible.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, it's pretty obvious.

Speaker 1 He texted me.

Speaker 11 Like, months ago, he was like, I'm just going to keep

Speaker 1 sending you adventures of him and just wait until he figures it out. Oh, hell.

Speaker 6 Also, Rasillo's in Pod Wars right now on Twitter.

Speaker 1 With who?

Speaker 1 Well, we have his back. We can cut this if we have to.
No, no, we don't have to. Give it to us.
Who's he in Pod Wars with?

Speaker 9 Lebitard

Speaker 11 basically went at Spotify saying that they put out false numbers for the top 10.

Speaker 1 Oh, because they weren't in the top 10?

Speaker 1 That's convenient. And then Rasillo was like, all right, I got Rasillo's back.

Speaker 5 Rascilla says, do you guys really want to do this? Let me know. I'm retweeting it.

Speaker 1 We stand with Rasillo. Bobby's our guy.
Yeah, Pod Wars. So we're not in this Pod War, but

Speaker 1 we're standing by and standing back.

Speaker 6 Also, we were number two, so it's like, maybe we can.

Speaker 5 I actually agree with Lebatard. They're suppressing our numbers.

Speaker 5 And they're giving all our listens to

Speaker 5 Rasworth's boyfriend.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to start dating Taylor. Hank.

Speaker 5 Or Beyonce or Dualipa. Dua Lipa's single.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Hank. Trying to do a feature.

Speaker 1 Hank, Dua Lipa. Do it.
Dua Lipa.

Speaker 1 Okay, my hot seat is the Blue Jays because it came out that

Speaker 1 Shohei, what was the exact tweet? It was something about Shohei visiting with the Blue Jays. And I think by Shohei's rules, the Blue Jays should be eliminated.

Speaker 5 They should be. I saw something very, very smart that they did here in Chicago on the way back from the airport.
There's just a a giant billboard of Shohei Otani listing all of his stats. Love that.

Speaker 1 How good he is.

Speaker 5 That somebody very clearly spent probably six figures on in that prominent location just for the one trip that Otani is going to make from O'Hare Airport to downtown Chicago. I love that.

Speaker 5 Smart use of money.

Speaker 1 Ken Rosenthal said, Shohei Otani, Blue Jays believed to have met Monday at Teams Florida complex. See you, buddy.
See you, Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 11 They're doing this forever. They just did the same thing for the Dodgers.
I think

Speaker 1 Dodgers. I think that's gone.
I haven't seen one for the Cubs.

Speaker 9 Well, it was Nightingale.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the Red Sox aren't interested.

Speaker 1 The Nightingale said that the Cubs,

Speaker 1 they believe Shohei's interest in the Cubs is waning, which I think, given Bob Nightingale's track there, that's a very good thing.

Speaker 5 His Twitter picture is so funny. He always looks like a gym teacher.

Speaker 1 I think we should just report.

Speaker 5 New York Yankees have also met with Shohei Otani. Put that out there.
That way, Shohei will get pissed off and take them off the list.

Speaker 5 We should just do fake reports of the teams that he's visited. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So, Shohei Otani has now officially visited with every team in Major League Baseball except for the Nationals, Cubs, Phillies,

Speaker 5 and the Red Sox. Yes.

Speaker 1 My cool throne is the NBA in-season tournament because it kind of rocks. The Pacers beat the Celtics last night.
The Pelicans beat the Kings. It was an awesome crowd.
Did you watch the game, Hank?

Speaker 6 I'm sorry, I'm reading. I'm trying to get in this podcast war.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 You know what? That's actually more important. Uh,

Speaker 6 what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Did you watch the cells that got bounced for the end-season tournament?

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I watched.

Speaker 9 Were you upset?

Speaker 1 Yeah, see, that means it worked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it's good.

Speaker 5 So, I have a question about the end-season tournament.

Speaker 6 Isn't the courts are fucking disgusting? Yeah, they are. They are court, like, legitimately, is nice.
Like, we, I watched Surviving Barcelona flip to that. It was just like, this is disgusting.

Speaker 5 Isn't the entire season an in-season tournament to see who wins their division?

Speaker 1 But the players get paid. Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's working. It's working.
I will say that I was critical at first. It didn't make sense in the beginning.
But now that it's more organized, it's like quarterfinals, semifinals, finals.

Speaker 6 It's like, yeah, I want to win. And for the players, it's like, yeah, let's win a million dollars.
You're playing hard in November, which is the goal.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I like the point differential.

Speaker 1 The crowd was awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 6 The crowd's good. And I've liked the strategy at end of games when it's like, yeah, you're winning, but you have to keep your foot on the gas because

Speaker 6 point differential is a tiebreaker and stuff. So you just, like, blowouts, you're still trying to blow them out.

Speaker 6 So I'm a fan.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the tournament becomes more real once you're.

Speaker 6 The court's got to go.

Speaker 5 Once you see a bracket, at that point, it's like my brain can comprehend that. And a seed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And the score bug.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I was already thinking, like, t-shirts, we would have sold, you know, in-season tournament champion.

Speaker 1 T-shirts would have been funny. So you were upset.
That means it worked. Yeah.
Good. All right.
So, yeah, in-season tournament. All right, Jake, your hot seat, cool throwing.

Speaker 10 My hot seat's Nick Sabin. Uh-oh.
His phone number got leaked. And apparently 250 anonymous callers called him.
That's a lot of FSU fans. That's very little.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that seems pretty light.

Speaker 10 But he answered some of them.

Speaker 1 He did?

Speaker 10 Yeah, calling me every name in the book, talking about how he shouldn't be in the playoff.

Speaker 5 Can you bring up his number, Jake?

Speaker 1 He's probably

Speaker 1 shit by now.

Speaker 10 John Rich wrote a blog on it.

Speaker 1 That's kind of awesome, though. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 So he's like, he's open to the haters. Yeah.
My cool throne is Tua. Tua played the guitar on the Manning Castle Monday night.
Yep. And I think he's going to collab with Darius Rucker.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Oh,

Speaker 5 you love Darius Rucker NFL collabs.

Speaker 1 That one clip of Tua dodging the rush is so awesome.

Speaker 5 We just shook his shoulder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was crazy.

Speaker 10 Darius Rucker said, I'm in

Speaker 1 for a Tua collab. There we go.
Huge. Tua and Darius.
Shout out to

Speaker 1 Tua. Hootie, my favorite band.
Hootie's your favorite band?

Speaker 10 Well, it's kind of an inside joke because I got exposed for not knowing them.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right. Two years ago.
That's three years ago.

Speaker 5 That's right. Who is your favorite band, Jake?

Speaker 1 Pup Punk. Brought to you by Barbara.

Speaker 1 You don't listen.

Speaker 1 Jake's one of those weirdos that she doesn't listen to music. Correct.

Speaker 10 I mean, I listen to music, but I'm not going to go out of my way to pick a certain.

Speaker 1 Well, no, that means you don't listen to music.

Speaker 6 Like, did you even have a Spotify rapped?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was like part of my take.

Speaker 1 No, but you have to use a gift. So do you, like, in your, if you're in a car, you're not, like, turning on the radio?

Speaker 1 Jesus. What about on a lot of

Speaker 1 On a plane? Today is hits. A plane you won't listen to music?

Speaker 10 Or like watch something.

Speaker 5 What about when you're when Mr. Positions is in action?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You listen.
Put a little R. Kelly on?

Speaker 5 He listens to like

Speaker 5 what's that, Carton?

Speaker 1 Boomer Cardin. Oh, Boomer.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why are these lights flashing?

Speaker 10 Also, hello from YouTube from our new camera angle. We got memes in the mix now.

Speaker 1 Memes is on camera. Everybody's been one when look at memes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Memes is a beautiful boy. Look at him.
He's so beautiful. Memes is not a people person.
Just so everyone knows, he doesn't bite, but he kind of does.

Speaker 1 Memes was born out of the internet.

Speaker 10 I feel like this is the first time people are seeing memes for some people.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Memes is.

Speaker 5 He's been in videos. Loki, one of the best athletes here at this company.
You would never know it by the way he walks.

Speaker 1 Memes, I have a new best friend for you, too.

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 1 Liam, the no-context college football guy we just hired.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is literally born from the internet just like you, and he has the same mannerisms where it's like, if you talk to him, he's like, I don't really want to do this. You guys are going to meme.

Speaker 5 So well. Yeah.

Speaker 11 He wears sandals inside.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys, like, we just hired another memes. You guys should become best friends.
I don't think memes likes him. Oh, no.
No, no, no. I like him.
I like him.

Speaker 1 This place isn't big enough for two of us.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's what I'm my vibe off of what memes is doing.

Speaker 1 This is my turf. Yeah, I'm the guy who's ornerine, tough to talk to.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? We already got one of these.

Speaker 5 I take screenshots. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I post pictures of you looking as fat as possible. Oh, that's not me.

Speaker 5 No, that's you. That's totally me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's you. All right, let's get to our interview.
We got a great interview. We got Mo and Franz Wagner from The Magic.
Great, great interview with both these guys in studio.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on two very special guests. They're brothers.
I think this is the first time we've had brothers on at the same time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, we had the Cuomos on. The Cuomos went sideways real fast.

Speaker 1 We have the Wagner brothers, Mo and Franz from the Orlando Magic in studio. Thank you guys for joining us.
First question, did I say your last name correctly? Is it a V? Should I do the V?

Speaker 8 No, if you say it American like that, you said it right.

Speaker 1 Okay, but did I sound like a poser where people are like, ye clearly he's American. He just tried to go the Wagner.
No, that's the right way to say that. Okay, all right, good, good.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. So thank you guys for coming in.
We're very excited to have you on the show.

Speaker 1 We want to talk about your whole career. First, let's jump into this season.
You guys are playing good ball.

Speaker 1 The magic, I feel like the magic got a little, you know, people are talking about the magic, Paolo, you guys.

Speaker 8 How's it is it weird to play together in the nba because it's pretty crazy to have two brothers on the same team yeah it's super special obviously it's uh super unique um we got super lucky i got drafted to the magic mode signed there the the same year so um we're definitely enjoying it um and it took a little bit of an adjustment period i would say at first what was the adjustment period yeah what was the adjustment period there's there's a lot of there's a lot of emotion that comes with it we're both very emotional um so when stuff doesn't go maybe our way on the court there's a lot more

Speaker 8 stuff that comes up from the past and stuff like that when you get mad at each other.

Speaker 1 Oh, like in practice, you're like, Yeah, like stuff like that. I remember when we were five and you were trying to do this, exactly.

Speaker 8 A lot of that stuff comes up sometimes, but I mean, obviously, it's it's super cool for both of us, for the whole family. So, we're making the most out of it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, who's the more emotional of the two of you?

Speaker 8 Oh, that's tough. I would say, Mo.

Speaker 5 Who's the messy bitch? Mo?

Speaker 1 Mo, you're the emotional one? Um, I'm more like external emotionally, I would say. I let it all out.
And Franz is a little more low-key.

Speaker 1 But if you know him really well, you know when he has his phases as well. And I've obviously known him his entire life.
So

Speaker 1 I can say that he's very emotional as well. Yeah, so being on the same team,

Speaker 1 is it... Like, what's the locker room dynamic where everyone's like, these guys are brothers? Has anyone ever like jokingly tried to talk shit to one of you about the other?

Speaker 1 Like, in like, this guy, yeah, like, Mo's game sucks. He's like, dude, that's my brother.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I think we find a pretty good balance to, like, obviously embrace the brother thing, but also at the same time, we're different individuals, and not everything I do, Franz has to do in the other way around.

Speaker 1 So there's a certain boundary, and we're teammates as well. And we kind of embrace that, that difference in relationship.
And we also don't want to, like, kind of...

Speaker 1 I don't know, side with each other, you know, where our teammates feel weird about it. And I think we've

Speaker 1 gotten in a very good organic habit in the locker room to just kind of respect each other as teammates and not only as brothers.

Speaker 5 Yeah, has there been a moment where you have to make a decision, like, wait, this would be a good opportunity for me to agree with everybody else that's not my brother just to show them, like, hey, I'm on your side.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 8 I think that's not that big a thing. I think if I, if Mo says something that I don't agree with, um, I'll be totally honest and tell him that.

Speaker 1 And sure, yeah.

Speaker 5 I love the like healthy sibling rivalry between you two. Can we can you guys compliment each other?

Speaker 5 Can you can each brother say something to the other one of maybe one thing that they do well that you wish you could do better?

Speaker 1 You want us to do that live? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can start.
I think Franz,

Speaker 1 Franz has the ability to like, he has a very

Speaker 1 healthy curiosity about everything. So he comes in a room and observes everything and kind of takes what he wants, what he needs for his life and makes sense out of that.

Speaker 1 I think it's pretty unique for his age. I sometimes forget that he's 22, 22, right? 22 years old.
He's very mature for his age. So

Speaker 1 that's something I wish I had a little more where I could just observe and just take everything, what I want and what I don't want. And it's very reflective on that end.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was good. That was a good answer.
Good one. I like that.
I had that. I had that.
I had that ready. I'm prepared for the podcast.
All right. So Franz?

Speaker 8 I would say what I like about how Mo just comes into a room is, you know, Mo is Mo. He won't change for anybody else.

Speaker 8 He's going to be straight up with you. And I wish I had that sometimes a little bit more.
I think sometimes I'm a little bit more,

Speaker 1 I don't know, on the more conservative side don't want to uh take sides right away or uh say my opinion right away out loud if i don't know somebody in the room yet um and mo most just being himself all the time i think that's some that i can still do a little bit more so it's interesting you brought that up because i had a question about this um last year killian haze i knew this was gonna get out threw a punch sucker sucker punch through this a sucker punch the back of mo's head damn noticed that you weren't anywhere in the cliff defense

Speaker 1 i know there's a rule that you can't leave the bench Were you on the bench at the time?

Speaker 8 I was on the bench.

Speaker 1 So you can maybe

Speaker 8 leave the bench.

Speaker 1 Okay, but like, what? Like,

Speaker 1 I saw that clip. I remember when it happened.
I was like, where the fuck is Franz? That's a very good point. I felt bad for

Speaker 1 two different reasons.

Speaker 8 One, it was my brother, and I didn't

Speaker 8 stick up for him in the moment. And two, I got fined because I still left the bench.

Speaker 1 So it was the worst of both worlds. Double whammy.

Speaker 5 When you watched the clip back, did you notice that?

Speaker 1 I mean, I'll be honest with you. I had a lot going on.
I didn't really care about what Franz did in that moment.

Speaker 1 I honestly just tried to get out of that whole thing. Yeah, you were in the middle of it.
That was a rough week.

Speaker 5 I think even if he had gotten up, he would not have been able to get in there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. It was a lot going on.
So my least worry was what Franz is doing right now. Just try to get out of that.

Speaker 1 If that doesn't happen in front of their bench either, I don't think any of this is happening anyway. So

Speaker 1 you don't want to be on YouTube and social media because of stuff like that. Yeah, I'll tell you that much.
That's kind of where my head was at. So, um, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it would have been nice to see Franz in there. Uh, just saying it.
Morris 20.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Morris brothers. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what,

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, I'll make up for it if Franz ever gets hit in the back of the head. I'll

Speaker 1 be right back. Yeah, guys, the brothers.
All right.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to talk about your path to the NBA because obviously Germany, like, there's, there's Dirk and there's players from Germany, but it's not like, you know, a ton of players in the NBA in Germany.

Speaker 1 What was it like playing basketball in Germany when you were kids? Like, it's not the main sport.

Speaker 1 What was that like? Was it hard to find leagues? Was it hard to find an outlet for playing basketball as a kid?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 it's not difficult to find an outlet.

Speaker 1 The main difference is that basketball is super popular here, and part of the reason is because everybody plays it in school.

Speaker 1 So that's like that that that's the first the accessibility is the easiest part.

Speaker 1 You just go in the basketball team in high school and then when you play there, you're the man and you're supposed to go to college and all of a sudden the NBA is right there.

Speaker 1 You can watch it every night on national television. For us, it's kind of like a such.

Speaker 1 You made that sound way too easy.

Speaker 1 I mean all you got to do is just be like the man in high school, then college, then the NBA. Everyone does it.
Yeah. No.
Obviously it's not easy at all.

Speaker 1 I didn't mean to sound like that, but like it's just like a very accessible world. For us, it's more, you know, you got to get up at 3 a.m.
in the morning if you want to watch these games.

Speaker 1 You really got to

Speaker 1 have that thought that you're going to make that happen for yourself and come up with that on your own.

Speaker 1 And I think that's the biggest challenge because that's not necessarily a German mentality either to kind of say, yeah, fuck it. I'll do it.
Right.

Speaker 1 And I think that's the biggest challenge. You go to a club.
You have to kind of be able to coordinate school with club.

Speaker 1 And that's time, not very time-efficient. You got to be very, you got to be grown up very early.
And it's a different style of basketball, too, that you learn to play.

Speaker 1 So those are challenges that make it a lot harder or seem a lot harder at first. But once you get to college, there's a lot good

Speaker 1 to take from that as well. I do think we take it for granted that like those, you know, baseball, football, basketball, even hockey, like, you know, there's an outlet right when you're a little kid.

Speaker 1 Like kids are, you know, my kids in t-ball. My kid's already playing basketball.
It's like offered everywhere.

Speaker 1 So you said style. What's the main difference in like learning European basketball that when you came over to America, you're like, oh, this is different.

Speaker 1 And maybe something that helped you more than you realized. We can have a whole podcast about that.
We can talk about Franz and I talk about this all the time because I think

Speaker 1 the biggest thing is

Speaker 1 you learn to play without the ball. I think

Speaker 1 it's not about you when you learn to play in Europe.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I don't think I scored more than 25 points before I got to college. You never it's never about the individual.
It's always you learn how to play very organized at a very young age.

Speaker 1 And you see that in the NBA too, that European players just know how to play with each other.

Speaker 1 And then in college, it's all of a sudden you get there and it's like, okay, it's like this raw, raw mentality. I have to kill you to get the spot.
And I have to start.

Speaker 1 And all these things that were very new for us, but which we needed too in order to get to the NBA because it's America. Right.
Yeah. You have to get minutes at some point.

Speaker 5 You have to show what you can do if you want to get to the NBA.

Speaker 8 You have to adjust to that mentality and take it on on your own.

Speaker 1 Because if you don't like they'll test you in that first practice and if you can't take on that mentality that yeah uh yeah america has made you more selfish i like that it's good that's a great way to summarize it i was like one of our greatest exports yeah yeah or competitive let's say yeah

Speaker 1 that's a good way to put it yeah

Speaker 5 wait why when you were growing up was was dirk everything is he just a basketball god over in germany Yeah, you can say that.

Speaker 8 Yeah, basketball god for sure. But at the same time, like, I wanted to say this earlier.
Like, we don't grow up in Europe with the pressure of needing to

Speaker 8 make the NBA. You know, kids here, they grow up, all want to make the NFL, the NBA.
Like, that's all they care about when they play the sport. Like, we grow up, we want to play for our team in Berlin.

Speaker 8 Like, that's what we dream of

Speaker 8 when we grow up. And then as we get older, maybe you're a prospect.
Now you start thinking about that, but it's never NBA or bust. You know what I mean? So I think with Dirk,

Speaker 1 he's a...

Speaker 8 definitely a huge figure, a huge athlete in Germany. But because basketball is just not at that popularity standpoint, it's not like a star would be here.

Speaker 8 Or sports in general, honestly, aren't as much a part of society back home.

Speaker 1 So, when did you guys realize, like, oh, we have goals that are bigger than

Speaker 1 just playing for our team in Berlin? Like, we're going to be in the NBA. What was that moment? And was it someone who pushed you there or a scout who was like, yo, you guys are really, really good?

Speaker 1 I will say that.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think that's, I don't know how Franz feels about that, but that took me the most energy to come up with that mentality of f everything i'm going to do this and i'm going to believe in it uh even though nobody here else talks about it you know and that's kind of that took me a lot of energy um there was a click moment when i was like 15 years old i really wanted to go to college um because our parents went to school uh went to the university and we wanted to kind of connect basketball and the school aspect of it and then through that i realized okay there's more that we can do and then at some point i wanted to go to college because I want to go to the NBA.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 at a certain point, I just said,

Speaker 1 fuck this. I want to go to the league.
Right. And I'm going to do that.
And I'm going to figure it out. That wasn't really a plan B.
I was too crazy to have a plan B.

Speaker 1 But I was also not arrogant enough to say, I'm going to make the league. You kind of have that for yourself.
And that takes a lot of energy and a lot of belief.

Speaker 1 And I'm.

Speaker 1 I'm lucky it worked out. Could have gone any other way, too.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So why Michigan? What made you decide that Michigan was the right place for you to go from Jerry?

Speaker 5 Because if I grew up in Europe and I was thinking about the United States, I would probably think Los Angeles, Miami, Arizona,

Speaker 5 somewhere nice, maybe Hawaii, go play out there. Why Michigan?

Speaker 1 Well, next time tell them to offer me.

Speaker 1 Fortunately, that's not how it works.

Speaker 5 When you said that, you sounded like a die-hard villain.

Speaker 1 I had one offer. And

Speaker 1 Coach B-Line kind of

Speaker 1 believed in me. He said, here, we want you to come to Michigan.
It's cold, but it's a good school. They play very European, obviously a big ten, super, super slow basketball relatively.

Speaker 1 They played five out, which was good for me.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of, it's very skill-oriented. So I feel like that that was a fit.
And then it was either going to Michigan or stay at home. And

Speaker 1 I kinda I kinda just I took the risk. And Franz, did you was it Michigan or nothing else for you? Or did you get offered other places?

Speaker 8 I got offered really like I just I didn't decide that I was actually going to Michigan until it was like I want to say May or June or something like that so really late that summer.

Speaker 8 So I got some offers really late because some of the guys left for the NBA at other schools.

Speaker 8 But it was more for me it was more between choosing Michigan or staying at home and signing a contract there.

Speaker 8 And I was kind of waiting because B-line had just left to go to the NBA and I was kind of waiting who was going to be the next coach. Yeah.
And once Juan got the job, I really connected with him.

Speaker 8 I felt really comfortable. And I knew the school,

Speaker 8 just the experience-wise, obviously I knew that from Mo, that that was going to be fun. Yeah.
So, yeah, I waited on that.

Speaker 1 So, you brought up Juwan, I didn't, but since you did bring up Juwan, I went to Wisconsin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where's this headed? I go up there.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 what's your coach doing? He's smushing people's faces? Like, that you had to say, like, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 You guys call yourself Michigan men and you smush people in the face?

Speaker 8 I mean, he's sticking up for his team.

Speaker 1 For a handshake, he's getting upset about a handshake.

Speaker 8 Something had to happen, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying I'm condoning any violence.

Speaker 1 I think we removed enough to say that that was awesome.

Speaker 1 It was great for the sport. I said right in the minute, like, I love rivalries.
I love those moments. I think we're not getting in trouble if we say that.

Speaker 1 Obviously, that was crazy, but at the same time, I was like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 That was a good Michigan man answer that you just gave him.

Speaker 1 Hate to see violence in the world. Close the ranks.
Connor Stallion.

Speaker 5 No, we can just say, like, that kicked ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did he practice that? Did he practice? He's like, listen, guys, if we lose by like 30, I'll smush someone's face like that.
And here's how.

Speaker 8 No, I don't know if you practice it, but that's you know, that's the type of coach you want to play for that stands up for your team and

Speaker 8 really is part of the group. I think Juan did that while I was there, and he's still doing that.

Speaker 8 Like I said, I'm not condoning any violence, but

Speaker 5 it was funny. Yeah.

Speaker 8 He definitely won that fight, too. No,

Speaker 1 he lost by 20, and he got upset about a timeout. It was crazy.
So, all right. So, other question about Michigan, not a great

Speaker 1 thing for you, Mo.

Speaker 1 That Villanova game. Yeah.
We were there.

Speaker 1 We were there in the building.

Speaker 1 I want to say this the nicest way possible because obviously, you guys had an incredible run. That entire run was insane to the finals.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But at what point in that game were you like, oh, we're fucked? Because we felt it like maybe five minutes in. We were like, oh, no.
Villanova is this good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, when you look at that roster, it's crazy. It's ridiculous.
I mean they have five NBA players, six NBA players. They started all NBA five.
Like in college, that's so unique.

Speaker 1 The fact that we were even in the game within the first 10 minutes is pretty special. I mean, we had a pretty good team, too.

Speaker 1 I have a hard time letting go of things in general, but that sometimes still haunts me, obviously, because you don't get that close.

Speaker 1 Well, it shouldn't haunt you. You could play that game 100 times.
You'd have lost 100 times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 You're probably right. It was bad timing, but it's not about that.

Speaker 1 You just think, okay, what would have happened if you won that thing? Yeah. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It was an incredible run. It was the first time.
I did it in the Big Ten Championship game. Was that the year, the plane crash year? No, that was the year before.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Which we won the Big Ten Championship as well.

Speaker 1 Thanks for bringing that up. That was good.
No, that was awesome. I mean, I had an incredible couple years at Michigan.
I'm super grateful for that time. Obviously,

Speaker 1 it's kind of weird feeling feeling after a game like that because you're kind of relieved at the same time. I remember it was such a crazy couple weeks that

Speaker 1 you're just happy it's over with almost. And then you just got crushed by 20.
Yeah. You're so pissed.
You're going on campus and it's so nasty. Yeah, we bet Villanova in that game.

Speaker 5 That was the easiest one of all time.

Speaker 5 When Dante DiFincinzo scores that many points against you, it's like, okay, they're right.

Speaker 1 What did you bet on the Florida, Wisconsin game when Chioza hit that three game? What do you care about that?

Speaker 1 I think that's a valid question. What do do you care about that? No, what did you pay down there? That game has nothing to do with it.
That was a Madison Garden, too. We actually, yeah, there was.

Speaker 1 We were there. We were there for it.
Yeah, okay. I see it.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 What do we think about Harbaugh? Love it. Yeah.
We told you right there.

Speaker 1 So we love Harbaugh.

Speaker 5 If you're against, I understand being against what Michigan's being accused of. And if you're a rival school, you probably hate Michigan's guts right now.
But it's such a funny scandal. It's so funny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Can I ask you this question? Yeah.
So you guys are Americans. We aren't.

Speaker 1 What do you think about that? Like in our business, in our sport, that's called scouting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So like, what do you think about the whole thing?

Speaker 5 So the reason why you can't do it in college football is because not every school has the same athletics budget, right?

Speaker 5 So it wouldn't be fair if some teams could afford to send five scouts to every away game when they weren't playing. Okay.

Speaker 5 Whereas some smaller schools would not have the resources to be able to send people out to do that. So that's why the rule's in place.

Speaker 5 But it seems like Connor Stallions didn't expense any of his trips, and he might have just just done it out of the good of his own heart to go on these trips.

Speaker 5 It's a big one, which is, I guess, abiding by the spirit of the rule, if not the letter of the law. But you're right, it is scouting.
It's just trying to make it so.

Speaker 5 And well, every other team is going to say that they don't do that. Right.
And I'm sure some teams do, but they're saying Michigan's the only team that's doing it. That's unfair.

Speaker 1 Here's the part. So I think it's cheating in the fact that, yes, by the letter of the law, it's cheating.

Speaker 1 But the part that bothers me is all the big ten teams complaining about it because that's like that's such an excuse. You're getting your teeth kicked in by them every you know for the last two years.

Speaker 1 Find a way to beat them. Like, I hate the excuse thing.
That's the part that bothers me. Yeah.
Yeah. Go find a way to beat them.
Yeah. You guys, do you guys do that? Do you have a magic scout doing?

Speaker 1 I don't even think you could. I mean, we have like 20 scouts in the building that do this for a living.
Like, that's why I'm so confused about it.

Speaker 1 Like, we can call our plays, and the opposite team knows exactly what we're running. You still got to stop it.
I've never played football, so I don't know how it works.

Speaker 1 And we've had this conversation a lot on the dinner table table or on the lunch table lately within the team, but like I guess it's different in football.

Speaker 1 When you really know a route or a play, it's easier to stop it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I guess you,

Speaker 1 I think it's ridiculous, I'm going to be honest with you. And the funny thing is we got the signs now, so you can take the three-game suspension, but we'll still know what he's running right now.

Speaker 5 He gets to coach during the week. Yeah.
But he has to just coach on Saturdays.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So speaking of scouting, when was the first time someone came and scouted you guys in Germany?

Speaker 6 Did you notice right away?

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, there's that fat American sitting in a Tommy Bahamas shirt.

Speaker 8 I think you don't really notice as a player.

Speaker 8 I know for sure that at the FIBA tournaments, like when you play for your national team, when you're under 16, under 18, that type of stuff, there's a lot of NBA scouts there.

Speaker 8 I know that now, but I wasn't really

Speaker 1 aware at that point. That's probably better because I would definitely be like, there's a scout, and then just have a terrible game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had no clue. I was way too...
No, I had no clue. you guys, you guys won, not

Speaker 1 Olympics. What did you guys win? Won World Cup.
The World Cup. World Cup.
Give a World Cup. Give a World Cup.
Who'd you guys beat in the final? Was it the U.S.? Serbia. Oh, okay.
The U.S.

Speaker 1 would be in the semifinal. Who's on the U.S.
team?

Speaker 8 Let's go through the team.

Speaker 1 A bunch of Villanova guys, actually.

Speaker 8 Paulo Bancara was on the team. Okay.

Speaker 1 Is he good? He's solid.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halliburton, Anthony Edwards. Alright, so we didn't send our best, not our best and brightest.
Do we really want to get into it? Really good players.

Speaker 5 If we sent our

Speaker 5 first team, how much do we beat you guys by?

Speaker 1 We shall see in the

Speaker 1 I've heard I've heard you talk about having to guard Kevin Durant and like maybe kind of your welcome to the NBA moment. Oh, you heard that stuff? Yeah, I listened to it.
I did some scouting. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I did some dumb shit. I will be honest with you.
In my first couple of years,

Speaker 1 I mean, I talk a lot, obviously, and I've kind of put that back a little bit. Um, but one of the first times I matched up against Kevin Durant, and obviously, dude, I'm a huge NBA fan, right?

Speaker 1 Like, I know all these guys from YouTube. I know all I watched all these games at night.
Franz and I would get up at night and watch these players, so all of a sudden, I'm on the court with them.

Speaker 1 And obviously, my first year, I'm a little starstruck. And Kevin Durant guards me, and I think he's not taking me seriously at all.
He doesn't even know who I was.

Speaker 1 And I'm like on a pick-and-pop three, and he fouls me. And I didn't realize it was him, and like turned around.
I was like, Yeah, you can't guard me.

Speaker 1 I have no credibility whatsoever at this point.

Speaker 1 And it's Kevin Duranda I just talked smack to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And at that point, it was the Warriors. He was on the Warriors, and it was him, Draymond Green, and Demarcus Cousins

Speaker 1 that were on the free throw line, box out, talking shit to me. While I was shooting three free throws.
Oh my god. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 And I'm telling you, I was so shook.

Speaker 1 I made one out of three.

Speaker 1 I think there's like a replay, and you can see Quinn Cook on the sideline, like laughing his ass off because those three guys were going at.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those are like three of the worst guys to want to just. I set myself up for that, though.
I deserved all of that. You can't guard me.
You can't guard me. You can't guard me.

Speaker 1 And I turn around and I see KD and I'm like, what did you just say? I'm like, oh no.

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Speaker 1 Do you have any of those moments, Franz, where you're like, oh, this is different? Like the NBA is maybe not like

Speaker 1 Boogie Cousins yelling at you on the free throw line, but some moment where you're like, okay, this, I got to focus a little more because this is definitely harder than it was in college.

Speaker 8 I mean, I remember my first, I think it was our first preseason game.

Speaker 8 We were playing the Celtics, and I was guarding Jason Tatum in the post, and he like did this quick spin move, and I was still standing there as he was dunking the ball.

Speaker 8 Like, I didn't even notice that he, like, had left. That was like the one moment where I was like, yo, this is so much faster, so much quicker.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 And Kevin Durant, I tried to guard him as best as I could in an actual game then. And I think he went 11 for 12 for 30 points.

Speaker 8 And it's just like, you try all you can, but it's just, he's just like, like, it's a workout.

Speaker 1 On hard shots, too. It's not like layups.
It's like insane shots. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You're playing what you think is like the best defense that you can against him, and then there's nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 8 Just on that, like he's just working out by himself. That's how it feels.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Do you guys do you guys live together?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 What's that like?

Speaker 8 It's fun. It's fun.
We uh we live in a house that's probably a little too big for both of us, but um, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 We both have our, you know, private space.

Speaker 8 Mo's upstairs, I'm downstairs. Um, and yeah, we're kind of catching up on some time that we kind of lost when Mo went to Michigan and later on in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Do you guys have moments where you are like hanging out in the NBA and you're like, remember when we used to wake up at like three in the morning and watch YouTube videos together, like as you know, teenagers?

Speaker 1 Because that's got to be kind of a whole

Speaker 1 dude. I think

Speaker 1 all the time. Like, even when we pull up to the United Center yesterday, I'm like, this is so crazy.
This is a big-ass arena, and people actually pay to watch us play.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, we talk about this all the time. And I've been in the league for four years without him, obviously, living by myself.
And it gets lonely real quick.

Speaker 1 You know, you only get to play basketball so much a day, and then you have all the rest of the day in some city that you've never lived in,

Speaker 1 kind of to spend by yourself. And having a roommate or kind of having that camaraderie is is just really cool.

Speaker 1 You can share it and obviously saying it out loud too that this is kind of cool what we are doing has so much value and reminds you of how grateful you should be to do this job. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who's the hardest guy to guard and not name Kevin Durant?

Speaker 1 For both of you.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's players like you can't really guard. Like Jeralen Beat, for example, is like one of those guys where you just like, you have to have it make it difficult for him.

Speaker 1 Jokic, you kind of, it's like before the game you like decide what you want to take away or what you want to challenge him in and the rest you just kind of live with uh without like admitting weakness here but it's just like the the skill set and like it's just so incredible right in this league that um it's kind of like just make it as difficult as you can for him and then live with a result yeah because i i remember i think jj redick said it on his podcast that like the misconception that guys in the nba don't play defense is so awesome it's that stupid the guys in the nba are so good good at offense that there are certain people that you can't do anything.

Speaker 1 You can try your best, but you can't. Right.

Speaker 8 I mean, we're trying our best.

Speaker 1 We're trying.

Speaker 5 Who's the toughest guy to play against? Like, who's the most tenacious defender that you've had to go up against?

Speaker 1 Oh, man. He gets like 28 shots a game, so I'm like,

Speaker 1 speak on that. Hey, you fill it up.

Speaker 1 What are you averaging this year?

Speaker 8 I don't know.

Speaker 8 Let's stay away from the average. No, why not?

Speaker 1 You guys.

Speaker 1 He's looking.

Speaker 5 Wait, you you don't read your box scores? You don't track your assets?

Speaker 1 I don't look at numbers. I don't.
Franz averaging.

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't you know how much you're averaging a game?

Speaker 8 I think it's bad to

Speaker 8 play a game and try to hit 18.3 points again. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Well, it'd be tough to hit 18.3, but yeah.

Speaker 1 You get what I'm saying. 18.5 and 3.
That's pretty damn good.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, so who's the guy who, when you have to match up against him, you're like, this is going to be a long, not a long night, but it's going to be harder than usual?

Speaker 8 I would say

Speaker 8 I would say PJ Tucker because he's really physical. Yep.

Speaker 8 Kawhi Leonard, we just played the Clippers.

Speaker 1 His arms are so long. And he's so strong.

Speaker 8 People don't realize it

Speaker 8 really can't move him.

Speaker 8 There's no point in even trying.

Speaker 1 Do you guys think that zone defense is kind of coward defense?

Speaker 1 It is, right?

Speaker 1 You probably play it in Europe a lot, right?

Speaker 8 As an offense, it means that they can't,

Speaker 8 that they're having a problem stopping you with a 5-on-5 defense.

Speaker 1 They're almost admitting it, yeah. Yeah, do you like that?

Speaker 1 At the end of the day, though, like, if you win with a zone offense, you won. So I don't care.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if you win with a zone defense, you won too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The incentive is to score more points. That's true.
So if you can't figure out a zone, that always makes you look more foolish than the zone defense. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 5 Do you like playing zone defense?

Speaker 8 Like being on defense? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would just get like

Speaker 1 I would be standing there and just be like, oh, wait, where am I supposed to stand?

Speaker 8 Yeah, that is actually a thing. Like, we spend 99% of our time and practice playing man defense.

Speaker 8 So then when we're in the game, sometimes we throw a zone out there just to throw it off the other team.

Speaker 8 We're definitely not as used to playing zone defense as we are in man. So

Speaker 8 it's just way different. It's not that it's more chill or you have to move less or anything like that.
You have to actually like communicate a lot more because

Speaker 8 you're not doing it as much.

Speaker 1 You're not a habit yet. Yeah.
Yeah. Have you guys ever been in the zone?

Speaker 1 In the zone? Like in the zone shooting-wise. Has it been a game? What game?

Speaker 1 Do you remember it? Could you feel different when you were in the zone? You're like, this is just no matter what I throw up there, it's going in. Yeah.
That's got to run. It's an amazing feeling.

Speaker 1 I would imagine it's the best feeling in the world. I had it one time in college, and ever since then, then it's been.

Speaker 1 How many did you score? I scored 22 points and a half.

Speaker 1 Which is a lot in college, yeah. Oh, and it felt so good.

Speaker 1 Like it's just like you go into halftime, it's like, what just happened? It's so much fun. That's awesome.
What about you, Franz?

Speaker 8 I would say my first real good game in the NBA,

Speaker 8 I wouldn't say I was in the zone the whole game, but I had a stretch in the fourth.

Speaker 8 Yeah, where just it's just that perfect mix of like relaxation, focus, like you're just in that in that perfect mind spot.

Speaker 8 And yeah, like you said, everything you're throwing up there feels like it's going in.

Speaker 1 I would be in the zone once.

Speaker 5 It would be so good.

Speaker 5 I would just hope that the game would never end. Like, let's keep playing.

Speaker 5 Something good. I would also try to recreate everything I did that day.
Like, the next time I played,

Speaker 5 do the same like breakfast, lunch, same routine. Everything.
Don't change a single thing. Wear the same underwear.
So Patrick Mahomes does, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He wears the same underwear. Do you watch the underwear after the game? He says he doesn't.

Speaker 1 That's nasty. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How many games are they a year? 17.

Speaker 1 17 now. Yeah.
17 games. So, you know, I watched

Speaker 1 every 17 games. Yeah.
You guys have an NFL team you root for? Have we what? You have an NFL team you root for? We root for the Finns, the Finns up. Oh, okay.
Jacob, yeah, Jacob. There we go.
Remember.

Speaker 1 What about when were you guys kids when they started putting NFL games in Germany? Yes. Did you go?

Speaker 1 Is it weird? Tell us from your perspective. No, oh, not on T V, but like the actual games.

Speaker 8 Okay, no, I never went to an actual game in Germany. I never, but

Speaker 8 I think like a couple years ago, I don't know exactly how long, but they would like put out the Sunday games, which is like prime time back home, right?

Speaker 1 So they would show two of those at home.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 that's like a memory of mine, like doing my homework, watching the game with my dad.

Speaker 8 And there's actually a really big following. I mean, that's why they have games there now.
It's the best sport in the world.

Speaker 5 Did you ever think about playing American football? No.

Speaker 1 You'd be tight ends. You'd be great tight ends.
No,

Speaker 1 one block.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 One quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you guys play soccer growing up? Yeah. So because I was going to say, like, there probably was a moment where

Speaker 1 all the soccer players, like, you're going to really waste your time with this basketball thing. And now you can laugh at them and be like, that wasn't a waste.
Look at us. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I played at the same time for two years. I always say that I would be a really good soccer player.
My brother doesn't really believe me, but

Speaker 1 I had a great time playing soccer. It was really cool.

Speaker 5 Germany's got a history of very tall soccer players that were pretty good.

Speaker 1 That's 11 on the soccer pitches.

Speaker 1 These guys are so fast.

Speaker 8 Like the defenders most of the times are the tallest ones, right? Right. Like they're going up against Messi and all these guys.

Speaker 1 You know, these guys are so fast. You know,

Speaker 1 T. Roy Sun here and like 101.

Speaker 5 Time Elijah was a goalkeeper for the Nigerian national team. Was he?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But it seems weird because

Speaker 5 he's so far from the ground, so you just shoot low on him. Yeah.
It goes in. But yeah, he was a really good soccer player for a while.

Speaker 1 What team do you guys root for in soccer? Brian? I'm a big Veda Brim fan. I don't know if that says anything.
Is that First League? It's the First League.

Speaker 1 It's the Bundesliga, exactly. It's a team in the north.

Speaker 1 You guys suck. Sounds like you suck.
I'm not a saying. Healthy midfield.
Healthy. Yeah, yeah.
Healthy midfield. Sounds like you suck.
Like the Bears in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, no, we're not healthy midfield. We're the worst.
We're always the worst. Sorry, I'm sorry.
No, no, that's fair. That's a fair shot.

Speaker 1 I like it. I like those.

Speaker 1 What's the one thing that people, fans, get wrong about the NBA? Like, they don't understand it.

Speaker 1 Like, the one thing, whether it be how tough the grind is or, like, I was saying about how everyone's good at offense, and that means that you're not trying on defense.

Speaker 1 What's the thing that, like, you could correct if you hear fan criticism, you're like, that's not exactly how it works. I have one thing that comes to mind, right? Don't DM me about your bets.

Speaker 1 No, do not. Yeah, that's fair.
I don't go. All right, I got to delete it.

Speaker 5 But what if you had a parlay and you just need to get one more fucking rebound? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's, I mean, I understand that, but that's your fault for betting.

Speaker 1 I really don't give a rat's ass about your bet. That's a fair response.
That's the one thing that I'm not here for your bets. Okay.

Speaker 8 It's getting out of hand. It's like 10, 15 people at a time, like every game.

Speaker 1 And they're going crazy, too. Yeah.
Yeah, personal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, these guys sound nuts. Yeah.
The worst. So that's just.
You don't have anybody that works here that you're going to DM a play after a bad loss. No, it's fun, though, obviously.

Speaker 1 I'm not against that, but just don't DM me. Yeah, that's fair.
Well, you could also just not look at the DMs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, so maybe it's a dangerous DMs.
Yeah, it's on you. That's a great.
Yeah, what are you looking for in your DMs, Mo? Well, I mean, depends on the city. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Since we did talk a little Big Ten, what's the toughest place to play in the Big Ten?

Speaker 8 I will say Michigan State or Ohio State.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, pretty.

Speaker 8 They have the big student section. They obviously go crazy for the Michigan game.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Big rivalry. It's always, always a special, special time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about you? Dark horse Purdue.
Oh,

Speaker 1 Purdue, it's also so dark in there. Like, the fans are all like wear black.
Yeah. And it's like, they on top of you almost.
Like, the student section is on top of the bench almost. It feels weird.

Speaker 1 I gave you guys an opening there to say Cole Center because the refs always call the games differently. You know what's funny about that arena?

Speaker 1 It's like a lot of like, because Madison is such a cool like normal city where people like that aren't students live too,

Speaker 1 they're quiet for like 35 minutes. And and the the student section is in the end like they should put it behind the bench.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 And then but but they they go on a run and then all of a sudden that that place is live. It's insane.

Speaker 1 It could it could be quiet for 35 minutes and then they go on one little run and call center school.

Speaker 5 I think it's'cause they j they drink so much before the games they don't get in until like midway through the second quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're hard to cheer when you have a belly full of cheese cards.

Speaker 5 Yeah, a good answer though with Michigan State, because I feel like Michigan State is a very hard place to play. And any team that goes in there and wins a game,

Speaker 5 they have to be an elite basketball player.

Speaker 1 They've already lost a couple games this year. Oh, they did? I think they lost it.
To who? I don't know. I'm not a big

Speaker 1 college person. I'm going to look it up.
Look it up. I think they lost their first game at home.

Speaker 5 They lost their first game at home.

Speaker 1 Non-conference? No, there's no way they lost. That's no way.
Look it up. Look it up.
Non-conference.

Speaker 5 Are you talking about Tom Izzo at Michigan State?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't want. I mean, yeah.
They lost to James Madison. Oh, shit.
Do we lose? Is that anyone who went to James Madison?

Speaker 5 I got a helmet up here. That's crazy, though, that they lost lost.
It is.

Speaker 1 It's hard. How much did they lose by?

Speaker 5 It was over time.

Speaker 1 Okay. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 It still counts. No, but I agree with you.

Speaker 5 Going to Michigan State,

Speaker 5 you are a legit threat to win the national championship if you can win a game there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and they show up early for the game, like in warm-ups, they're talking shit to you.

Speaker 1 They know shit about you, too. Yeah.

Speaker 5 What's the most personal somebody's gotten in the crowd?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 5 Actually, don't say that because then other people will say it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 safe. Off-camera.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, I'll pivot to a different last question. When you guys were growing up,

Speaker 5 would you guys just beat the shit out of the neighbors? Like, how intimidating

Speaker 5 was your family? Like, we've got the tallest, most athletic people in our city that live in the same house. Like, would you play basketball against them and just dunk on them all the time?

Speaker 1 We honestly should have done that. Yeah.
Yeah. What's up? Stop on us.

Speaker 1 I mean, not very violent people, kind of soft. Very tall.
Personal life. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Yeah.
No fighters. We would fight.

Speaker 1 We would fight each other. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Me and Mo.

Speaker 1 But that's that's about it.

Speaker 5 Who wins?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I had a legit advantage being five years older, four and a half years older. So there's a physical advantage there.

Speaker 1 Ever since that's even, we have a fought just because we're adults now. So when was the last time you guys wrestled?

Speaker 1 You can't tell me there hasn't been one time when you're living in the big house, too much room. No, no.
It's like tussle and wrestle. No.

Speaker 5 hypothetically if you were to wrestle who wins right now

Speaker 1 well my grappling is pretty good

Speaker 1 i'm a big ufc five i like you of c so i think i have an advantage there were you were you nervous mo that franz was gonna get taller than you no but i will say there's i mean being a big brother i think everybody can relate to that um there is a point where you're like you're playing one-on-one your entire life and then there's the age where at some point he like pulls out a move move and you like low-key, like realize, okay, like one more

Speaker 1 month and I cannot guard this move.

Speaker 1 And that's when I stopped playing it. Yeah.
That had to feel awesome, Franz, when you had that move. Well, I didn't let him know.
I didn't let him. That's the thing.

Speaker 8 He didn't let me know. So I never got the actual.

Speaker 1 But you knew. Yeah.
You knew. You knew when he stopped playing.
He was like, I don't want to play anymore. It's like, oh, shit.
He kind of actually got by me.

Speaker 5 And you're probably like, where'd you learn that from? Because I never showed that movie.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right, right.

Speaker 1 What's this? Yeah. Figure something out here.
That's great. All right.
Well, thank you guys. Awesome time having you in studio.
Anytime you're in Chicago, we'd love to have you stop by. For sure.

Speaker 1 You can shoot on our 10-foot, two-inch rims,

Speaker 1 which are the stupidest rims ever. Yeah, how do you mess that up? I don't know.
We have the tallest basketball rims in the world. No one has ever made a basketball rim over 10 feet.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. Feels like kind of like...
I think we're getting pranked.

Speaker 5 I think it's the guy that built this office, Hank, just being like, hey, no dunking. Yeah.
Yeah, because we'd all be able to dunk if it was 10. Oh, right.

Speaker 1 That's the only reason we can't dunk. Obviously.
Well, thank you guys. Best of luck for the rest of the season.

Speaker 8 Appreciate you guys. Thank you.

Speaker 5 Man, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1 let's do some FAQs been a while Hank you ready fire them up fire them up fire them up fire them up by the way guys

Speaker 1 Have you guys looked at the schedule this weekend? It's going to fucking rock.

Speaker 5 So we got Chiefs, Bills.

Speaker 1 We got Eagles, Cowboys. Eagles, Cowboys, which I think, Max, you were exempt from streaming.
I think New York's going to stream it with Smitty.

Speaker 1 So, you're happy. We'll maybe watch the second half while we're taping the show.
Yeah, well, of course, that'd be even better for the people at home. Yeah, I mean, whatever.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can watch you react as it's happening. Maybe make a PM TV.
Yeah, maybe make a PM TV out of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have that. Chiefs, Bills, Cowboys, Eagles.
We have Rams, Ravens, which is going to be a great game.

Speaker 5 Seahawks, Niners, right?

Speaker 1 Double Monday night. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Colts, Bengals, low-key.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's right. Double Monday night game.
Don't be caught off guard. There are two Monday night games this week.
For what reason, I don't know.

Speaker 5 But they're going to kick off at the exact same time.

Speaker 1 It's actually a good strategy because they're both games that, like, aren't great.

Speaker 5 They're bad games, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think the Dolphins play in one of them, but still, you could just flip to the one that has a better game.

Speaker 1 Or have two TVs. All right, Hank, FAQs.

Speaker 6 Whenever y'all decide to hang up the mic, are y'all going to do a Kobe retirement tour or tell us all of a sudden like Brady?

Speaker 6 I think we just never retire. I have nightmares of this hypothetical.

Speaker 5 Wait, when Brady retired, he retired and then he came back, though.

Speaker 5 Remember? True.

Speaker 1 So we talked about this with Cam and Brandon Marshall about doing a tour.

Speaker 1 I've always thought in my head that when we do end up hanging up the cleats, we're going to do like a sellout like Aerosmith when they're like 75 tour.

Speaker 1 People are just going to be like, yeah, we're going to make like $20 million being washed up podcasters doing like one final tour.

Speaker 5 We could do the KISS version version of that, which is

Speaker 5 you do that tour like five times in a row where you're like, this is the retirement tour. Then you come back, retire again, then you come back, retire again.

Speaker 1 What if we did one final tour and it was the drugs only tour?

Speaker 5 And we died at the last episode.

Speaker 1 We were just like everything, like, man, these guys are, they got to get off the road. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's killing them.

Speaker 5 I mean, AI is going to take over for this podcast eventually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I don't think we would do a, that would be crazy if we just did a, all right, and that's the last episode. I don't think we'd do that.

Speaker 1 I think we would be a much more calculated landing the plane, but that's not a problem we have to think about right now.

Speaker 1 Although we're going on year eight, it's crazy, you're into a decade, it's like odd years.

Speaker 5 That's that's 50 years, yeah.

Speaker 1 We don't know what what what podcasts on podcasts cigarettes also, this is about to be a leap year, so it's going to be the actual anniversary, yes,

Speaker 10 29th.

Speaker 5 Yes, year two your second year, yeah.

Speaker 6 No, podcast, it's like it's like cigarettes in the 50s, like everyone did them yeah, and they didn't know what what the effect was.

Speaker 5 So, in like 20 years, everyone that has a podcast, they're going to have like...

Speaker 6 They podcasted every day.

Speaker 5 Yeah. They're going to have like a brain tumor.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hunched over, can't hear, fat. And it'll be, and we'll, like, Bob Lee will come back and be like, these podcasters put their lights on the line.

Speaker 5 I would not let my son be a podcaster. Nope.
Nope.

Speaker 1 I'd let him be a TikTok star.

Speaker 5 That's an important thing. Get him started early.

Speaker 6 Memes wrote the, or memes said these questions, but this one says, hey, PMT, you just want to ask what your thoughts were on Hanky Hazards beating PFD and the money money oh

Speaker 1 oh interesting and what else we can expect i was a witness yeah jake nobody won no one won it was a tie i won the match we double or nothing though right we tied zero zero and then i won the match

Speaker 6 then we went double or nothing won that

Speaker 6 then we went triple or nothing and you lost that

Speaker 5 oh so you didn't so no one won so i owed hank zero dollars and hank owed me zero dollars so no one won no one but i won the match it was a good matchup it was how bad did you win it or how much did you win by six holes yeah hank won it by a considerable amount.

Speaker 1 Hank does spend all his time on that simulator.

Speaker 5 He does, and he knew how to put.

Speaker 5 I didn't know how to putt until like the last five holes when Jake had to step in and show me how to aim on the simulator, which Hank knew because he plays it all the time.

Speaker 5 Also, Hank selected the golf course, which was very, very suited to I had. You just said, Hey, do you want to play this course?

Speaker 5 Shout out to Dan Earl.

Speaker 1 He played it.

Speaker 5 Yes. So, yeah, Hank, Hank had a course of his choosing.
It was a home field advantage foreman. We tied

Speaker 1 every Sunday. We come in to watch football, and Hank bets some crazy hungry dog parlay and watches one quarter and sees his team suck and then just goes to the simulator.

Speaker 6 I can't express how bad my gambling has been this year.

Speaker 1 Like losing. It's it's it's and you used to be good.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I used to have fun and now it's it's like I'm

Speaker 6 the season's over. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I keep being like, well,

Speaker 6 maybe I'll have a good week and get back into it. Yeah.
And then I don't and then it just gets worse.

Speaker 5 You should just ride. I'm tired.
You should just ride the gremlin over three and a half field goal bet. It's the only bet that's kept me afloat the last like three years.

Speaker 6 I need like a 15-legger. Okay.

Speaker 5 See, that's your problem. Like, this is a moneymaker.
I don't know why more people don't bet it. It makes money for me.
I suck at gambling besides that. And that's really me.

Speaker 1 You should have just bet the Niners against the Eagles like I did. I bet the Eagles.
Hungry Dog. I don't know.

Speaker 6 Big Cat PFT, Honk, Loser Max, Jake, and Memes. What is one game or sports moment that happened before the PMT was founded that you wish you guys could have reacted or covered on the pod?

Speaker 6 Malice of the Palace. Also, I rye with Hank, firm believer in the Lighthouse.

Speaker 1 Malice of the Palace is the answer.

Speaker 5 It would have been incredible.

Speaker 1 Malice of the Palace is the answer. Yeah.
Because it also would be like, we can't pick

Speaker 1 specific to our own teams because then it's, you know, like something that is like a national that that and Mantai Teo would have been awesome.

Speaker 5 It would have been crazy for you.

Speaker 1 Mantai Teo would have been Tiger Woods would have been awesome.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the Thanksgiving team. Yes.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. That would have been incredible.

Speaker 5 And the text that got leaked afterwards.

Speaker 1 Yes. Oh, yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 5 We would have done dramatic readings of those.

Speaker 1 But I think Malice in the Palace, if we had recorded right after Malice in the Palace, would have been incredible.

Speaker 9 Cubs guy.

Speaker 1 You're talking about Bartman. Steve Bartman.
Yeah, no, I'm saying that taking out specific things to each ourselves.

Speaker 11 But aside from you, just like you said,

Speaker 9 like a show thing, that would have been great. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Villanova, Buzzerbeater.
Yeah, I mean, well, we were doing the pod then.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was like a month in. It was 2016.
April of 2016?

Speaker 8 Yeah. yeah.

Speaker 1 There's some good ones, though.

Speaker 5 Malice at the Palace would have been just all-time.

Speaker 1 All-time.

Speaker 1 So many fun.

Speaker 1 Lince Hanny would have been fun.

Speaker 1 We would have thought Lin Saney would have lasted forever. We would have been very wrong about that.

Speaker 10 LeBron's first title would have been tough for you guys.

Speaker 1 Oh, I wouldn't have potted. I would have loved that.
I wouldn't have potted.

Speaker 5 You mean Dwayne Wade's first title? Yeah,

Speaker 5 second title.

Speaker 1 All right, Hank. What else? 18-1 for Hank would have been.
Oh, my God. Oh, that would have been the best.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I don't know. That was the same.
I mean, what about Aaron Boone? No, what about fucking Eagles Patriots' first Super Bowl would have been great.

Speaker 5 That would have been awesome, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would have been awesome. Or even the second one, because Max wasn't on the show yet.
That might be the answer.

Speaker 10 And the Philly specialist.

Speaker 1 Oh, you would have been so mad at Max. That would have been insane.
Holy fuck. I think that might be the number one answer.

Speaker 6 All right, last one. Big fan.
Appreciate all the content you guys bring us, AWLs. I would love to know the most holy shit moment when the podcast was first starting.

Speaker 6 Do you realize this is bigger than we ever thought it could be? Whether it was guests you were able to get on or even a single notable person that told you they are a listener.

Speaker 6 Whatever it is, thanks again for all you guys do. PFT rooting for you and surviving Barstool.
If you come at the king, you best not miss.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're all rooting for PFT.

Speaker 5 At this point, it was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 1 Actually, so I don't know what the first holy shit moment, I always go back to like Joe Buck or Scott Van Pelt.

Speaker 1 I think going to Bristol and getting to interview Scott Van Pelt because we obviously were friends with him, but like that was a big one. I have them all the time, though.

Speaker 1 Like, so I can tell this story now. When we did Surviving Barstool, everyone go buy it.

Speaker 1 Not really a spoiler. I was eliminated in four hours.
So I went to stay at a hotel all week. And at the hotel, the Celtics were staying at the hotel.
And I was in an elevator with Derek White.

Speaker 1 And I felt like such a loser because I was like, I was like, I recognize him. And I was like, yeah, like, oh, you guys got a game? And he's like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I have a podcast.
And

Speaker 5 my producer is like a huge Celtics fan.

Speaker 1 And he was just like, yeah, I listen to your podcast all the time. I was like, fuck yeah, dude.
That's very cool. That's fucking awesome.
So he's going to come on the show.

Speaker 1 But those moments, like, whenever, whenever an athlete says they listen, it still kind of blows me away.

Speaker 5 For me, it was the first Super Bowl that we covered. That was in Houston, right?

Speaker 5 The Houston Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 At the Barstool party, Guy Fieri was there. Yeah.
And Guy Fieri was was like, hey, man, I love part of my take. And I was like, that is pretty cool.
That is pretty cool. That's pretty fucking cool.

Speaker 5 Like, I can just die right now. God, God knows who I am.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about you, Hank?

Speaker 6 I have them all the time.

Speaker 6 I mean, any athlete, like, it's different for you guys because you're the host, but any athlete that recognizes me or like, you know, I go to introduce myself and like, oh, what's up, Hank?

Speaker 6 And I'm just like, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, when an athlete knows us, it doesn't go away.
That part does not go away where I'm still like, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 Especially now with some of the, like, even like the Will Levises of the world who are like, they've been listening since they were in high school.

Speaker 1 Oh, Will Levis told us when we went to we went to dinner with him in Kentucky during the Breeders' Cup.

Speaker 1 It was like me, Dave, Jerry, Elio, and he was like, yeah, I was playing guess at S when I was like 13. Yeah, so I was like, cool.

Speaker 6 The people that have kind of come up, even like, because Jared

Speaker 6 was a fan of Barcelona when the podcast first started, which was kind of crazy because he just got drafted number one and was like hitting you up being like, yeah, like, come out and see what happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, come party. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Fuck, you just got drafted number one. And you know what?

Speaker 1 He's been in the NFL for less than eight years. Yeah.

Speaker 6 But that was, he was more just a fan of Barcelona. But there's now people that are fans of the podcast that are like coming up and pros and stuff.
And it's like, holy shit.

Speaker 1 We've been doing this for a while. It is one of those things that I'm happy that we haven't gotten jaded in this respect because it really does.
Like, it still does.

Speaker 1 It still is the coolest thing ever. Whenever

Speaker 1 someone who plays sports or manages or whatever, coaches is like, oh, hey, I'm a fan of you. I'm like, really? For me, it was fucking cool.

Speaker 9 Who's crazy people listening?

Speaker 6 I still tell my, I just assume people don't listen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, right? It's the weirdest thing. It'll fuck with your heads.

Speaker 6 Some of the Spotify rap numbers and stuff you see. Yeah, I'm like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 People

Speaker 1 like to hang with us, and it's awesome.

Speaker 5 When we saw our golf head cover on Charlie Woods' bag, that was a big moment for me. Yeah.
That was like...

Speaker 1 But it's good, though, because it really would suck if we got to a point where we're like, if like an athlete, like if Derek White was like, yeah, I listen, I'd be like, of course he does.

Speaker 1 Like, that would suck. Yeah, Derrick.

Speaker 5 I mean, like, can I get a picture?

Speaker 1 It'd be like time to hang it up. Like, you can't get excited about this.
Like, I was legitimately excited. I told you you right away.
So, I saw Derrick White. He listens, which is crazy.

Speaker 5 Derek White. Another holy shit moment.
It might have been Blake's first couple months of Blake was

Speaker 5 the podcast that we had with Marlin's Man and Foul Ball Guy. Oh, Marlin's.
Getting both those guys on the show at the same time. Yeah.
I mean, that is, it was, I knew we had something special.

Speaker 1 Marlin's man texted me.

Speaker 1 Let's see. Oh, here we go.
Phone call the day after. Still the funniest.

Speaker 1 Marlin's man texting me. This is pretty.

Speaker 6 You got to listen to this.

Speaker 1 And he was like, he was saying he was going to sue me.

Speaker 1 This is threatening me.

Speaker 5 Also, when I hung out with Marlin's Man, and he took me up to like his condo in Miami and then pointed out at all the different properties that he owned along the beach. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I didn't know if I was going to leave that hotel room or not for about like 15 minutes. That's cool.
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Marlon's been texting me. This is pretty breaking news.
We can cut this if we don't want to put it in, Max and memes. Marlin's been texting me.

Speaker 1 Although Dolphins 9-3, all three losses against teams with winning records, and I think all nine wins against teams with losing or 500 records, FYI. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We should cut that. Pretty big stat.
Yeah, we should probably cut that. I don't know if anyone else knows that.
I liked getting that random text from Marlinsman.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure that was a graphic on the TV when they were playing on Sunday.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 1 There was that weird one where Mike McDaniel was jumping over hurdles.

Speaker 5 Don't the Cowboys have a pretty similar stat?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They need to beat someone. I mean, they beat the Seahawks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Good show, boys.
Tune into the 24-hour stream starting at 9 o'clock. Central.
Central.

Speaker 1 You sure you don't want to go to 8?

Speaker 10 Part of my take, YouTube. We can go 8.

Speaker 1 On Twitch. Let's go 8.

Speaker 1 No? Max is saying no. Okay.
9 o'clock.

Speaker 1 Okay. Numbers.
I get this. 3.
18. 71.

Speaker 6 You want to switch the spots if I get this?

Speaker 1 Pug 27. 8.
PFT. Did you hear what he said? We'll split 12 hours.
All right.

Speaker 5 And I'll match.

Speaker 1 No, I'll do 12. I'll do 12.
No, it's just for Hank.

Speaker 2 What was it? 27, you said?

Speaker 1 If Hank gets it, PFC and I will both do 12 hours and Hank is out. 17.
Wow. Come on.

Speaker 6 Actually, 40, 40, 40, 40.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 8 no.

Speaker 5 I'm going to take 17. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have 17. And what if you guys get it?

Speaker 1 Shut up, Jay. You got to shut the fuck up.
No, it doesn't. It's got to be fair.
Shut up.

Speaker 1 40. Three.
71.

Speaker 1 What is your guest meet max in the show?

Speaker 10 MS 27. Three.

Speaker 1 And memes?

Speaker 1 Three.

Speaker 1 62.

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Speaker 1 All right. See everyone.

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