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We are going to talk Monday Night Football. Jake Browning is elite.
We're going to reveal the Loman Trophy finalists, which is coming up because I know they did the Heisman this week, so it's time for our award. Who's favorite to win the Heisman? Jaden Daniels is right now, which Hank did say mission accomplished, so we just got to be careful with that.
There's no shot. We're not even in the show yet.
You're talking about the game. The game.
The game. You're right.
You're right Okay. All right.
Listen, we're not even in the show yet.

You're talking about the game.

The game.

The game.

You're right.

They're right.

You're right.

You're right.

Listen, we're not even in the show yet.

I can't text.

No, no.

We're not even in the show yet.

What game are you talking about?

You were live texting about Oregon, Washington.

Yes.

That wasn't mission accomplished because I needed Oregon.

Whatever.

All right.

Neither here nor there.

You needed them to win the game.

Mission accomplished.

Neither here nor there. If you can sense Hank's tone, he's ready to fight because we also are going to talk about the 24-hour stream that will start today at 9 p.m.
And Hank has come. He's come with his brass knuckles.
Central time. He's come ready to fight.
Ready to smile. Ready to smile.
Ready to smile. Yes.
Always ready to smile. So we're going to get into all of that.
Hank stormed into the studio today. Yes.
Again, we're not even in the show yet. Hank? It's been a while.
We're not even in the show yet. Wait, wait.
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Today is Wednesday, December 6th, and Jake Browning has arrived. He is elite.
I got a question. Is Jake Browning him? He might be.
We watched Monday Night Football. Everyone expected the Bengals.
They were 10-point underdogs to just roll over and then Jake Browning said, no, no, no, not so fast. 32 for 37, 354 yards and a Bengals win and a Trevor Lawrence injury and it looks like the entire AFC picture is now up for grabs.
Yeah. Was it four out of seven quarterbacks that are currently in the AFC playoffs? They're on their backup quarterbacks.
I think I, and I think in the league, I think it's 14 teams are now playing backup quarterbacks. Sam Hall keeps climbing up those standings.
This, this, this league, this, this year, if you're wondering like, hey, why is everything kind of fucked up? Well, yeah, we got a lot of backup quarterbacks going right now. Yeah, right now it's the Jags.
We don't know how long. The Steelers, we don't know how long.
The Browns for the rest of the season. The Colts for the rest of the season.
I would count Joe Flacco as a starter though. He's a backup backup.
He's got starter pedigree. But, yeah, it's a bloodbath out there.
Actually, if you look at the standings right now in the AFC, you could make the argument that 8, 9, and 10 could beat 5, 6, and 7. 8, 9, 10, and 11.
And 11. Yeah.
The Texans, the Broncos, the Bengals, and the Bills. It's just crazy because this is how the NFL season goes, where you go into the season, you say the AFC is a gauntlet.
The AFC is going to be incredible to watch. All these great quarterbacks.
Now we're sitting here in the first week of December, and everyone's injured, and the Chiefs have caught their fourth loss, and now it all switches to is the NFC the real gauntlet? Is the NFC the actual conference this year because yeah I mean if you had to do a power rankings of teams the NFC would have what three of the top five teams right now yeah I think they would yeah 49ers I think number one yeah 49ers one then you could maybe go Ravens or Eagles yeah and then you know Cowboys and Cowboys are somewhere in there andboys are somewhere in there. And then, I don't know, maybe the Chiefs.
I mean, the Jaguars. Dolphins.
Dolphins. I'm very high on the Dolphins.
Yeah. The Lions defense.
Lions is us. I want to just say real quick, Lions fans, listen, we have been very supportive of the Lions.
It is not Lions hate to say, can't trust the defense. That's a statement of fact.
I still think the Lions will possibly win multiple playoff games, but saying the defense is not good is a true statement of fact. There is no bias.
There's no hate. It's just a fact.
The Lions don't have a defense that will make every game a nail-biter. I think the Lions cannot score though yeah that's the thing which is why i love these lions i feel like dan campbell he can put his foot on the gas and just be like he can will his way into having a tough defense you know what he'll do he'll just challenge his defense yeah you know what i did this week of practice i challenged my defense to step up yeah and then they'll step up but yeah the jaguars uh it looks like it might have been a lucky break with trevor lawrence can we get him a cart yeah i don't know what jacksonville's doing he was walking all the way to the locker room that's the thing is like jacksonville i think amongst any city in the usa jacksonville florida probably has the most golf carts yeah and they didn't use a single one on trevor he said he wanted to walk to the training room why uh i don't know i guess when i show you it's tough it was so sad when they showed him back in the tunnel and it was like five minutes later it's like here he is he's still going yeah he walked home last night yeah after the game but apparently what happened was this is according to uncle chaps he hurt himself and then he told the guys on the team like i don't want a cart i want to walk i want to look tough at that point you need to, no, we're going to get you a cart.
You've had, give me your keys. You've had too much.
We got a driver for you. You'll be fine.
Shout out Trey Henderson, giving him a quick prayer right there. I blame.
In the moment. That was actually very classy.
The biggest winner of last night was that poor equipment manager, Waterboy, on the Jaguars. Yeah.
Who cost them a timeout. That drive was cooking.
He runs onto the field. I don't know why he ran onto the field.
They charge the Jaguars with a timeout. I believe it was the first play after that timeout, Trevor Lawrence gets hurt.
You can't tell me that Trevor Lawrence gets hurt if that guy wasn't on the field. Butterfly effect.
But apparently it's a high ankle sprain. And I've got a take that I don't believe.
Are you going to get the surgeries? Are you going to get the Alabama ankle? No tightrope. Okay.
I'm hearing no tightrope okay i'm here no tightrope i just want to get to want it enough i want to get to this take before colin coward or danny cannell does okay yeah trevor lawrence needs to know in that moment he can't act like that's a season-ending injury yeah i would have walked off you know what i would have stayed in the game the way he got up and then he went back down he did get it was weird because there's a high ankle sprain but he also got like folded in half his knee right after the high ankle sprain yeah and now the jaguars have to go play at the browns and a good defense and they have the ravens after that pete prisco might be sweating a little bit with his jaguars uh thoughts although they finished the season with the panthers and the titans so i think the Jaguars still go to the playoffs, but that sucks. It felt like it was the first time I think Jacksonville had a Monday night game in like over a decade.
Yeah. It was also the first time the Bengals won a Monday night game on the road in like 20 years.
Prisco's kind of walked back that take, though. He says that even with Trevor, the defense doesn't look good enough.
Oh, no. Yeah, they did was incredible he was good and i know that they have weapons but jake browning like good for jake browning he probably made i don't know 10 plus million dollars being able to be a backup now for a very long time he has a big night for him and i think we misjudged jake browning on the on the ground beef and honey comment that he made that he only eats ground beef and honey as his diet yeah that's actually kind of cool but it's also not even like it's it's good that was my point yeah like it's it tastes good it's not like a big sacrifice but it's kind of i don't know it's very primal so if you see me in a fight with the jaguar pour honey on me yeah uh the the stat is from stat hole uh that was the first bengals monday night road win since 1990.
It was very weird seeing the Jacksonville pool at night. Yeah.
I can't remember the last time. Peyton was very uncomfortable with them staying on it.
Yeah, I liked it. He was like, get it off.
I enjoyed it. Get the pool off.
There was also the matter of a near tie at the end of the game. Yeah.
And it feels like the Bengals tie more than any team in recent history. Yeah.
They just give off tie vibes. Oh, it's the Donovan McNabb game.
Yeah. And I think most famous tie ever.
I think they tied one in England too. They've had some pretty noteworthy ties recently.
Yeah. This would have been another one.
Did you know, because I looked it up, the Jaguars have never tied a game. Oh, they're the only team in the NFL that have no ties.
That's pretty cool. You know who leads the league in ties? It's got to be an old franchise.
Yes, because they just did ties and they were like, that's the game. Giants.
They didn't have overtime for a long time until 1972. The Bears.
OK, you know how many ties the Bears have? A hundred. They have 42 ties.
Yeah, I mean, but here's a high games back in the day. Here's the craziest part.
They don't have a single tie since 1972. Yeah, so it's all pre-tied ties.
Yeah, so the Bears, you could say, like, the Bears don't have a tie either. Yeah, the ties, yeah, it is pretty crazy that, like, you know, pre-1960s, they would just tie games and be like, like, thinking even about, like, Michigan-Ohio State playing.
Yeah. They would just tie.
That's the end. And be like, that was it.

Guess next year we'll find out who's better.

Good game, everybody.

How is that possible?

That's the most un-American thing of all time.

I agree.

We also had Christian Kirk smash his own nuts.

That was tough.

Mr. Belvedere.

I know that it says it's a groin or abdomen,

but watching that replay,

I think he just squished his own nuts.

That's why you got to sleep with the pillow

in between your legs. They called it a core injury.
That is your core. Your nuts are the very definition of your core.
It's everything. It's your power.
It's your life. It's your virality.
The interception that Josh Allen had last night was very hilarious. Yes.
That was the definition of too cute. Zach Taylor got a little too cute with it.
You got Jake Browning out there dealing. Dealing.
32 for 37. And it wasn't only short passes.
He was throwing the ball all over the field. Now, part of that is because I think the Bengals have a pretty good roster.
And T. Higgins, he's a big difference maker too.
And you can just get the ball in Jamar Chase's hands and he'll do crazy shit with it. But yeah, Jake Browning looked good.
Jake Browning had – so Trevor Lawrence has been in the league for what, four years now? Jake Browning had – it would be the third most yards Trevor Lawrence has ever thrown for. So Trevor Lawrence has only thrown – his highest game is 368.
He has a game of 364, and Jake Browning yesterday threw for 354. It was a great game.
Jake Browning might be next up. It was a really good game.
Yeah, and the helmets looked awesome. So, yeah, it was a fun game.
It's fun to have these games. It's like, hey, it's hey it's a reminder you think that game's gonna suck on paper then it was awesome and and now we have the Patriots Steelers and we got to just suck it up what if this game is awesome yeah this game actually could be it could be so bad that it's fun yeah it could Broncos Colts last year Broncos Colts was so bad that it was memorable it sucked sucked for about three quarters, and then it got fun.
It got funny.

This might be fun the entire time because it's going to be so bad.

Yeah, it could be very funny.

Before we talk about Thursday, because we're going to have that stream as well,

memes, Zach Wilson.

So that's a thing.

Zach Wilson, if people missed it, Zach Wilson, Robert Salah,

said that he's thinking about going back to Zach Wilson,

and now there's a report that Zach Wilson's thinking about not playing because why would he? Yeah, and then Aaron Rodgers also said that that report was horseshit. Oh, yeah.
Aaron doesn't trust the media, but it was an anonymous source, so you have to take that with a grain of salt. If Zach Wilson doesn't want to come back and play, that's some some bullshit right there that's bullshit like they rode with you for a long time they're trying to go back to you it's not like they mistreated zach wilson we can fairly say that right like there are some players where you can make an argument they never really got a fair shake whether it be like coaches being fired uh thrown under the bus by people zach wilson was put on top of the bus i think he think he's thinking like they're probably going to cut me so I don't want to get injured.
But yeah, Robert Salah stayed with you for a lot longer than he should have. Yeah.
Probably to his own detriment. For sure for his own detriment.
Yeah, he had every opportunity to throw Zach under the bus. After every game where Zach would do something new that was a completely brand new fuck up up for him robert salat would be like you know there's some things that i think he could do better but you know i i think he's the kind of guy that's going to get in the film room and work on things and we won't make the same mistake twice he always said like he had the nicest way of saying yeah zach wilson sucked up yeah he sucks so if that report's true uh i mean i don't really think he had much of a career lined up as a backup.
He doesn't give me backup vibes. Your backup can't have a bandana.
But you know it's the NFL, and there's always a coach who's like, I can fix that. And they're like, oh, well, his arm talent's still there.
You got a bunch of Billy footballs running around as OCs being like, I could get the most out of that. That's a very scary thought.

Yeah, but it's true.

Everyone thinks – it seems like you always get at least one more shot.

Yeah.

Yeah, if you're – what was he, second?

Second overall.

Second overall, there will be a team that brings him on.

Even Josh Rosen got a couple other bounce back spots that he didn't get a lot of playing

time, but he at least got a look.

Yeah.

Guys get looks. So, yeah, memes, what do you think? Do you need the Zach Wilson spark? Well, right now it's just a total disaster.
They cut Tim Boyle today. Why? They lanced him.
They brought in Brett Ripon. Okay.
So I'm going to guess he's going to be the quarterback. This is so.
Zach Wilson says he doesn't want to play. This is like they're actually're actually it feels like the jets are running a fundraiser to see who will start a quarterback it might as well just do that like why not just have a fan giveaway play a game for the jets as quarterback billy like yeah like the movie invincible yeah it does seem dry out like make a wish it's it's insane that they're i mean they cut tim boyle being like yeah we'll figure we'll get someone else yeah i mean you're already a tim boyle where is colt mccoy where is colt mccoy what is colt mccoy doing right now and how how does he not have this why is it rg3 oh he wants it yeah he wants that rg3 will take it yeah it's actually ironic because grit week 2021 billy bought a zach wilson jersey at the football hall of fame in canton yeah oh really at the gift shop yeah there was a zach wilson jersey in the football he was a rookie he hadn't played yet so it was like a big deal yeah it's bad i'm reaching out to rg3 right now for comment would you play for the jets i will update you gonna be like yeah man do you uh max also for you shack leonard yeah big dom picking him up at the airport that that was old that was last week's picture when he visited he picked him up from the air ah so is big dom in in in jail is he in trouble i'm pretty sure he was on chris long's show Oh, he's wearing a wire? Was that not last week as well? Or earlier? That could have also been earlier.
I think Big Dom might be in trouble because the NFL's going to... Well, the NFL's going to come for him and then that might be the best thing.
The Eagles might have to leave the NFL. Leave the NFL? Go to the NFL? No, they're just going to go to the SEC or something.
I think it'd be funny if Dom came out of the sidelines with a whole new look. Like a mustache.
He could bat off. He's in a witness protection program.
No, because then he wouldn't be Dom. If he came in looking like a nerd? Yeah.
No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You don't take the Italian out of Dom. You don't nerdify Dom.
Yeah, come on. No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't take the Italian out of Dom.
You don't nerdify Dom.

Yeah, come on.

No, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

This is Dom we're talking about.

But yeah, Shaq Leonard.

Shaq Leonard, big pickup.

You need guys.

He's a guy.

Text back from RG3.

I said, would you play for the Jets, hypothetically?

RG3 says, hypothetically, yes.

Okay, he's in.

Robert Griffin III has agreed to play for the New York Jets. Memes, make the call.
Why not do it, memes? I mean, why not? Let's just run it. There's no reason.
Let's see how weird we could get this season. Right.
That's what I'm saying. Bring Tebow back.
Yeah. RG3, Colin Kaepernick, Johnny Manziel.
Jeff George. Just do it all.
They're far. They're releasing everybody they signed during the preseason, too.
This season is just an absolute disaster. Very funny.
Our friend Steve Palazzolo from Pro Football Focus, he had a good idea which is that there should be no trade deadline for quarterbacks. Yeah.
I agree with that. Yeah.
For the good of the league, you should be able to move something. Imagine Kyler Murray could have stepped in on the Jets this year.
Did we talk about that like a month ago? I don't know. I think we did.
But yeah, there should not be. There should not be because it would be better for the game.
Yep. If we had that chance.
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Was the low man part of Hot Seat Cooled Runner, or do you want to do it now I think low man deserves so yeah let's talk college football Jaden Daniels is a finalist for the Heisman it's he, Marvin Harrison, Michael Penix and Bo Nix I also liked that the Heisman released it and put out all their stats and Jaden Daniels just has better stats than all of them uh i think all the votes have been

cast so we i don't think many members are allowed to talk about no they are after they aren't so it's in god's hands now i think they should have invited sweat from texas you got to get one big boy up there yeah i mean jordan travis too they said it was such a big deal that he wasn't invited oh you're gonna do that chick i mean i saw it online but it's true like at least invite him Yeah, his numbers probably weren't there to be invited.

But we know who's actually to blame for Florida State not getting in now. We found that out yesterday.
Who? It's Jake's guy, Trump. Oh.
Actually, it's not Jake's guy, Trump. I go to Sanctimonious.
It's DeSanctimonious. Trump weighed in on it.
Yeah. Trump weighed in on it and said on Truth Social, it's a really bad lobbying effort.
Let's blame DeSan blame to sanctimonious i like that meatball ron is to blame and to be fair i didn't hear ron de santa say shit no he wasn't fighting wait is florida is florida state university is that a school that's run by the state of florida it is who's the governor of florida the sanctimonious meatball ron yeah said something little tiny rick scott released a, too. Oh, yeah.
This part of the process is people just releasing statements and strongly worded letters. I think Rick Scott said that the state of Florida is going to give a million dollars to sue the NCAA, which will- I'm sure that's going to work out.
Yeah, that's going to be like two days of lawyers. Yeah, that's not- not they're just gonna be like all right we got nothing this is i i always love it when politicians weigh in like a week late on a sports issue yeah that their staff has told them that they should talk about because it's relevant right now and they always like mispronounce the player's name screw everything up yeah what it did was it ted cruce a basketball goal the basketball ring maybe yeah or something like that i think was it ted kennedy that messed messed up David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez? Yeah, it's...
Hondo. It's bad.
KG and Hondo. Whenever politicians try to get in the mix with sports.
But yeah, the FSU, the fans, I think, are... We said this on Sunday, but the good news is you can fight about this on Twitter forever.
Yeah. and they should because you keep going keep doing it.
100% use this as an opportunity if you beat Georgia to claim that natty. Without a doubt and we'll sell national championship yeah no yeah we're in we're fighting for Florida State but and then we have the transfer portal which I think there was like 4,000 kids went in the train it's insanity and there's also a little smoke going around Ohio State because they had 11 guys go in the transfer portal including which I think there was like 4,000 kids went in the train.
It's insanity. And there's also a little smoke going around Ohio State because they had 11 guys go in the transfer portal, including Kyle McCord.
And then there's some reports that Ryan Day is maybe shopping himself to the NFL. Interesting.
So that never works, though. No.
The only time that's ever worked. Jimmy Johnson, right? Yeah.
Who else? No, it's you can't. You can't shop yourself or you're talking about college.
Jumping from college to the NFL. Harbaugh.
Harbaugh. Pete Carroll, but he was NFL, then college.
Yeah, he was NFL first. Yeah.
But strictly like a college coach jumping to the NFL, I think the only times it's worked, Jimmy Johnson, and then you can make the case. We're probably missing one.
We always do this to ourselves. Matt Rule.
Matt Rule. Matt Rule.
Urban Meyer. Yeah very switzer run he won a super bowl he did with jimmy johnson's guys yeah that was yeah a little asterisk there nick saban joey harrington said that nick saban they were they were turning the corner bobby petrino they were ready to go bobby didn't bobby is the one a lot of failed guys he like wrote it on a cocktail napkin and left in the locker room being like, peace him out.
Phil O'Brien, 52 and 48. But he was NFL first.
Yeah, he was with the Patriots, and then he went to the Penn State, and then he went to the Texans. Yeah.
So, yeah, it's tough. It's a tough jump to make.
I just want to go ahead and predict this. Whatever team hires Ryan Day as an NFL coach will be a complete failure i'd help their soul it would be funny i don't i'm not rooting for the panthers to to keep up this streak that they're on with tepper but it would be a tepper move to just like forget his second to last mistake and go back to that well again give him a seven-year contract be like boom splash play yeah look we got we got the hot name that has just been dragged and can't beat i mean that would be an all-time coward move by ryan day yes run away from michigan you can't do that isn't you have to stay you have to stay and try to beat them you have to go out on a win basically you have to just figure out a way to cheat harder yeah that's that's the name of the game in college football cheat harder get better players i mean they already get really good players, but they got to figure, yeah.
Ryan Day, you can't do it. You can't do it.
Okay. Low man trophy.
Yes. The most prestigious award.
Oh, we forgot Chip Kelly. He was great.
Yeah. Chip Kelly was good for one season.
Yeah. Remember he coached the Niners for a season? Yeah, that was weird.
Forget that. That was weird.
But he was good on the Eagles for one season. Yeah.
Yeah. The low man trophy.

It's the most prestigious award in college football.

It goes to the nation's top fullback.

I sent out the ballots over the weekend to get our finalists down.

There are a lot of great fullbacks out there and the committee is strong this

year.

Committee is very strong on the committee.

I have received word from Cole Kubelik,

John Kuhn.

We've got Aaron Ripkowski. We've got uh lorenzo neal okay mike all start just a who's who i like this fullbacks weighing in on this award as well as uh hank slash tom franelli and andy staples is on there too so we have we have a finalist right now so i'm just going to read them down for you the finalist for the Trophy, the best fullback in college football, Ben Sinnott from Kansas State.
Okay. Ernest Crownrower from Texas A&M.
What a name. Max Breedison from Michigan.
Khalil Mullings from Michigan. Great names.
Owen Burke from Air Force. Stone Eby from SMU.
Hayden Large from Iowa, Eli Heidenreich from Navy. Heidenreich literally translates to Argentina.
I love that. Yes.
So we've got some good names. I think these are the most fullbackest names in the history of the lowman trophy that we're dealing with right now.
I just actually had one more come in. Okay.
It's another nomination for Ernower from texas a&m so people might be asking is he gonna is he got the leg up right now he might well i i'm leaning large just after hearing the names yeah yeah you're a large heisman winner that would be good i mean hayden large going into the season i think he was the favorite just for the picture and he's the guy that's like 6-3 280 290 when are we gonna announce it um so we could either announce it on oh yeah so in the pregame ceremony we'll we'll do it last year it went to hunter lepke he's on the cowboys now um so we'll announce it in the pregame for the arizona bowl between wyoming and toledo yes i think we're on the air around 4 p.m. Eastern time.
Okay. December 30th.
Nice. So that's going to be exciting.
On barstool.tv. Yeah.
All right. Should we talk about the elephant in the room? Max? That was mean.
Sorry, Max. That was mean.
24-hour stream is starting today, 9 p.m. Central.
It's going to be on the Pardon My Take YouTube. For people who don't remember Mount Rushmore season, this was the punishment.
Max and Hank will be going into a room, and they will not leave for 24 hours outside of bathroom breaks. What's the famous saying? Hell is other people people so basically you're just going to be hanging out with another guy in a room for 24 hours 24 hours there will be challenges there will be activities none of which you were aware of what so you guys are very nervous we we had a meeting yesterday okay you're not nervous sorry one on the record not nervous we had a meeting yesterday and pft can back me up jake was there as well i said quote there can't be anything that is deemed as torture that's what i said i said there can't there was ideas thrown out there i said no that's like borderline torture we're not doing torture we have activities for you guys to fill your hours.
Yeah, you guys won't be bored. Right.
We're doing things that like will be fun, that people will have fun watching you do. So what is your issue? Who said there was issues? Oh, you guys have so many issues.
Shut up. You came in the room and you're like, we got some stuff we have to talk about.
Yeah, go ahead. Let's hear it.
No, and this is a losing battle. And I i know the gas lights are on the lamps are fully stocked with oil and ready to is it oil or is it gas whatever it might be um and and this this might sound like sour grapes it probably is but picture on bettis and the rams if i want to read sessions were reversed before hank starts to complain about this is like i can't ask what's it i want to read a quote from're reversed before Hank starts to complain.
This is like, I want to read a quote from Hank. Hey, it's actually you talking because it's your own words.
This is from June 28th, 2023. I let my entire family down with today's Mount Rushmore simply have to be better.
You yourself admitted that this is a self-inflicted wound. Yeah, no, this is, I have no issue Mount Rushmore.
I had Max on my team. I was really just anchored.
Oh! There's nothing I can do about that. It is what it is.
What about the week that you punted? The final week. What about the week that you got too drunk one Friday, and then you were like, I couldn't do it? What about the week when he went away, and I was the first? You dominated.
Yeah, great. Hank's gaslighting you.
Yeah. You guys stacked the deck.
You guys stacked the deck. You said, hey, me and Big Cat are the entire pie chart of the fans of the show are fans of me and Big Cat.
Let's be on one team. You guys...
Who just started on the show and Hank as another team. Wait, just started? Billy and I...
Max had been on the show for nine months. We were last place for like three straight weeks.
Yeah, and then Bill started buying votes. So your issue is this about Rushmore? I don't know why you're going at me right now.
Yeah, Hank is just shooting at everyone. No, again, like this is...
You're not... Again, he's not...
Rushmore is the past. We lost about Rushmore fair and square.
You've attacked everyone in this room so far. This is a reverse bukkake.
Again, and it is what it is. Is it? I'm a soldier.
Is it is what it is? I'm ready for battle. We're not allowed to have our phones for 24 hours.
You have opportunities to win your phones. Is if situations were reversed, you guys would have rigged this.
Yeah. I said yes.
Starting at 9 p.m. is crazy.
Why? Because we have a full day of work. It's basically you're making us do 36 hours straight.
Like it's not if we were starting at a time where it makes sense for 24 hours and you can rest. Want to start at 8? I'm going to be up all day.
Why don't you nap during the day? Yeah, you can nap. You can sleep in the...
I had to do two days of work. You can sleep in the stream.
But like that's you're allowed to street he didn't think about that no i i have thought about that i he doesn't want to talk are you afraid that you're gonna get a boner in your sleep i'll definitely i mean everyone gets boners in their sleep that's natural a bunch of pwls watching it get a boner to sleep okay new rule you have to sleep on your back and only in boxer shorts. No, sleep talking is a concern for sure.
But if the situation is reversed, you guys would make this way easier for yourself. I do remember Grit Week 2020, the 24 hours we started at noon.
Great. Yeah.
So what time do you want to start? No, it is what it is. It's too late.
We can't switch. We can't switch.
You want to start at 8? You want to start a little earlier? No. No.
8 would hurt us. Why? Get in there at 8.
Because we're not recording until after Thursday Night Football. Yeah, it doesn't make a difference.
That doesn't make any difference. Because you would have to record after Thursday Night Football.
You can come watch Thursday Night Football with us. No, but that means nothing.
I'm going to be asleep by Thursday Night Football, 100%. But we have to do the show after.
Correct. So it's basically we're doing a 40-hour.
But that's fine. That's fine.
Don't come in to sleep in tomorrow. You're not, Hank, what part of this don't you understand? At 2 o'clock.
It starts at 9 p.m. on Wednesday.
2 o'clock. And then it ends.
No, it starts at 9 p.m. on Wednesday.
He said he has it. I said you can sleep in.
He said we have advisors. We have advisors at 2 o'clock.
Well, you're going to start this stream at 9 p.m. on Wednesday, and then you're going to be done at 9 p.m.
on Thursday. You can sleep on Wednesday afternoon.
You can sleep over the course of the night. I don't see what the problem is.
You're going to make me be awake for the Patriots stream. No.
You can go sleep. You can sleep on the stream.
Yeah. I don't want to sleep on the stream.
I think you're just. I would sleep on the stream.
We could do a little. We could take a couple little snoozes.
You have to. Why don't you just take a bunch of NyQuil tonight and sleep in? He already did that on Saturday.
No. My plan is I free-balled some NyQuil the other night.
I overdosed myself bad. I didn't have the cup.
Oh, you just guessed it? I just did two gulps. Oh, no.
Two gulps is too much. So your issue is you're mad about the Mount Rushmore.

I'm excited for smiles.

I'm not mad about the Mount Rushmore.

I'm really excited for the stream.

It's going to be a lot of chatting with the chat, a lot of interaction.

Would you guys like to start at 8 so that way you can sleep during the Patriots game

and then we can do the show at 11?

No, I would rather start at 9.

Okay.

Okay.

I don't understand why you want to start at 8.

I don't.

I'm trying to help Hank in any way that he wants. The problem that Hank's found himself in right now is he wants something to complain about.
So when we start to address his concerns, then he acts like that doesn't actually address his concern. I have no complaints.
I have no concerns. My only point, which is valid and Big Cat has said it, is like if you guys had lost, you guys would be doing like six hours and be on your phone.
That's not true. We would not be doing six hours.
We'd be doing 24 hours. And I would go without my phone.
And you still have a chance to win your phone. Yeah, I don't think we can be complaining until...
Right, that's the point. I'm not complaining at all.
You're actually doing the worst thing possible. I'm promoting.
I'm excited. Here's a little tip.
If you had not complained. I haven't.
For the last 15 minutes.

I haven't.

You had gone into the 24-hour stream and you realized that it was not bad.

And then maybe we do one bad thing and you're like, this is bullshit.

All the fans would be like, yeah, that is bullshit.

Instead, you pre-complain.

I have not.

And the fact that it's going to actually be fun and fun to watch, you're going to look like a big pussy.

Well, it's a good thing I haven't complained then. Right.
Yeah. Right.
Except when you stormed in here this morning, you're like, we got to talk about this. It's bullshit.
Why are we starting at this time? Do you want to know one thing we're going to do? No. It's a good teaser for the people to watch.
You want to know one thing you're going to do? You guys are going to paint. You're going to paint some art for us.
Okay, so there you go. Yeah.
We already

told him that. Can I bring a book?

They're going to be reading.

They're going to be reading materials for you.

You're going to read, Hank? You could...

Yeah, we're going to do popcorn reading with that. There's a chance

you're going to get to play

some video games. Like, there's fun things

that are involved in this. There will be physical activity.

Yeah. Like, you're going to get a sweat.

You're going to get a nice sweat. You're also going to get four meals from chef donnie how about that so you complaining makes you look like a baby we really don't it's going to be fun like i haven't complained we've come up with all these things that will make it fun for people to watch and fun for you guys to to interact i have one fear i have one fear and one fear.
Tell us this year. Please, Max.
Poop. Oh.
Blindfold. Yeah.
You blindfold poop. I don't know what that means, but as long as...
No, you guys... I asked if I need to take an Imodium before I go.
No, this was part of the torture talk. There will be a litter box.
There will be no restrictions on using the on using the bathroom okay it will be but it's scouts honor like don't start going to the bathroom every two minutes yeah but if you guys need to go to the bathroom you have to go to the bathroom we're not going to try to torture you like when you need to go you have to you can go i'm fine with pissing in bottles but no you can go piss you can go piss too we're not be careful with that one we're not making this we we literally max we're're making it so that Hank can't complain because we know that that's what Hank wants to do. So we had this discussion.
We're like, should we do bathroom breaks? No. If you have to go to the bathroom, you just raise your hand and go to the bathroom.
I would never complain. This is going to suck for you now because you complain.
I haven't. I haven't complained at all.
It's going to be fun.

Have a positive attitude about it, Hank.

I always have a positive attitude.

I always have a positive person on this show.

Yeah.

Okay.

What was your question?

What is the golden mug tie-in?

Yeah.

We're going to be doing golden mug Stella Blue on Thursday.

So there will be a chance for people who want to buy something on StellaBlueCoffee.com

that day.

We will give out a phone number that people can call into and talk to Hank and Max at some point in the stream. We have guests too.
This will be all in the part of my take YouTube, correct? Yes. Yes.
We have guests. I'm going to get a tattoo.
I believe the Twitch channel too. Yeah.
It's going to be great. It's going to be so much fun.
I'm excited. No, you're not.
No, I'm not not complained once He gets the credit I did question the poop And I answered it Do you think that's a good answer? Whatever you need to go That was my only word You've been in jail before This is going to be so much easier It's not even a box The original idea was going to The original idea was going to be like a white box. You're in a podcast room.
Yeah, we're going to put like a straight jacket on you. Why are you pointing at yourself? He's waiting for something.
Credit to you? For what? For not complaining? How long were you in jail for? How many hours? Which time? Oh, there's multiple? I was in jail from like 3 o'clock p.m. We got arrested thinking we were going to get out the same day.
We got in the car. They were like, yeah, you guys got arrested way too late in the day.
We're not going to be able to process you to the morning. So we got arrested as early as you can get.
So you have to be in there all day and knock it out to the next morning. So we were there from like 3 p.m 7 a.m that's hard time yeah hard time diaper boy i'm thinking hank might have some text messages he's going to want to be responding to it might be hard to explain what you're up to tiffany can watch the stream yeah it's in the chat uh all right what you have one last thing I'm less non-complaint not no not a complaint a goal excitement um it would be sick i don't know how we could do this but like we have 970 000 on TikTok, like 900...
What do we have on Instagram memes? Subathon, 946.

946 and Twitter. 70,000 on TikTok, like 900.
What do we have on Instagram memes?

Subathon.

946.

946 and Twitter.

We have 905.9.

905.9.

If there was ever, I don't know what the add-on would be,

and this could be me volunteering, not complaining, volunteering.

If we can somehow get all three to one million in the same stream,

I would do another 24 hours.

Oh. Okay.
Okay. What about a month? You do a month? No.
Oh. Is that what you're asking memes? Yeah, I don't know.
Get YouTube to a million too. One of my ideas that we're not doing because it's torture would be just Hank sitting and staring at a camera without saying a word for five hours.

That's called Sunday night in the part of my take studio.

That's true.

You think you can do that, Hank?

I could do anything.

You could do anything.

You're a smart boy.

Strong.

Smart.

Good looking. Yeah, except for Win Mount Rushmore.

Yeah. Jerome Bettis.
You lost the taco bell vote yeah although that was bullshit because jake and billy just did ai version yes never eaten i've never had a taco bell what do you want me to do yeah uh okay let's do hot seat cool throne are you processing i feel like you have your processing face on excited face excited okay Ever had one of those days when it's just too cold to keep working nah neither has ariot ariot work jackets and boots are packed with all the cold stopping waterproof protection you need to get the job done under any conditions so you can take any job out there and always deliver check out ariot in your local workwear retailer or visit ariot.com work to get 10% off your first order when you sign up for email. And weather whatever in Ariat work year.
Hot seat, cool, throw, and Hank. My hot seat, we just talked about it, was me and Max.
Oh, okay. You want to talk about it more? No.
What did you have written down for your hot seat for that? That sounds like a complaint. It was just a lot of complaints.
I have written down hot seat, me and Max. Okay.
Glad we covered that. Are you sick? Yeah, I'm recovering.
And this is going to just... Whatever.
It's so close to a complaint. My cool throne is video games.
Yes. It's been a big, big month for video games.
I feel like Fortnite has come back. They've had their highest player base ever.
Warzone's coming out today. I'm missing out on the Warzone premiere because of the 24-hour stream, but it drops on Wednesday.
And then GTA 6 finally released their trailer yesterday and yeah that's we've

we've done it we've gotten to the point where i can't tell if it's a video game or real life unfortunately it doesn't come out to like 2027 but that that clip of the of the girl shaking her booty on the on the car i was like is that real i don't it finally happened where my brain can't process video games in reality when gta first came out it was possible it was unlike anything you'd ever seen like no other no previous video game even allowed you to come close to like breaking the law like that except for maybe like cruise in usa but then gta pops out and you're like you can just drive over every pedestrian pick upers, shoot people on the street.

It's awesome.

Yeah, they're back.

I feel like the original GTAs, though,

it was impossible to... You'd get a crime

and then you'd be arrested within a minute.

It was so hard to evade the cops.

Yeah, all those stars.

But then it got fun.

So yeah, video games are back.

I'm excited for Warzone.

GTA does look sweet.

Looks so sweet. Gonna have to get in in looks so sweet uh my hot seat is amateurism amateurism on the hot seat the ncaa is putting forth a new i don't know if it's a uh regulation or just an opportunity they're they're making it so that um certain colleges any college as a matter of fact can contribute up contribute up to $30,000 a year, put it in a trust for 50% of their athletes.
So this is a big step towards getting players actually paid, like paid by the schools. That's the difference.
Like NIL, you can have a group of the biggest car dealerships in Knoxville, Tennessee get together. And they're like, hey, we've got $5 million for you to give out to anybody that's at the transfer portal and then the the school will then interface with the player recruit them the nil group will then be like okay we're going to pay you now this could directly come from the school itself nice which pretty much means like we're going to have if you think that the haves and have-nots are bad right now once this gets into place, it's going to be like the major leagues.

Right.

College sports.

Yes.

And then everybody else is the minor leagues. If this actually ends up happening.

But I read a whole article and I got more confused.

Yeah.

The article I read was pretty much like if you're a rich school with a big endowment

and a wealthy alumni base, congratulations.

Texas A&M.

Because you're going to be.

Yeah.

Finally, Texas A&M will be able to afford.

Get 10 wins. To pay money.
Yeah. To try to get wins.
My cool throne is Jokic. Yeah.
Jokic, did you know that he leads the NBA in points, rebounds, and assists right now? Jesus. It's fucking insane what Jokic is doing.
He's so good. I feel like we're in the trap of not appreciating how great Jokic is.
Yeah, let's get it going. Take more time.
Jake, can you put a reminder? Do a monthly reminder. What day of the month do you want it? Wait, what number is he? 15? No.
He's four. No.
15. Yeah, I know.
All right, I know ball. Is that a good plan? 15th every month? The 15th of every month we should set aside to remind ourselves that Jokic isich is on we did this a few years ago with steph curry yeah he's the best player in the world i know steph curry washed we also will have an nba preview probably in two months with ryan rusillo so get ready for that um yeah yokich is out of this world good did you see that thread that rusillo put out the other day yeah of him on the artwork for part of my take episodes and he gets progressively fatter yeah i don't know if we're doing that on purpose but it's funny if we are shout out trig i think yeah is trig's doing on purpose yeah i love that good work i love that i love that what we were well we're still figured it out i know he's he said to keep it in he said to keep it in the dark for as long as possible i mean it's pretty obvious he texted me like months me like months ago.
He was like, I'm just going to keep sending him sending you pictures of him and just wait until he figures it out. Also, Rusillo's in Pod Wars right now on Twitter.
With who? Well, we have his back. We can cut this if we have to.
No, no, we don't have to. Give it to us.
Who's he in Pod Wars with? Lebitard basically went at Spotify saying that they put out false numbers for the top 10. Oh, because they weren't in the top 10? Yeah.
That's convenient. And then Rosilla was like...
All right. I got Rosilla's back.
Rosilla says, do you guys really want to do this? Let me know. I'm retweeting it.
We stand with Rosilla. He's our guy.
Yeah, Pod Wars. So we're not in this Pod War, but we're standing by and standing back.
Also, we were number two, so it's like maybe we can. I actually agree with Levitar.
They're suppressing our numbers. And they're giving all our listens to Taylor Swift's boyfriend.
You got to start dating Taylor. Hank.
Or Beyonce. Or Dua Lipa.
Dua Lipa's single. Yeah.
Hank. Trying to do a feature.
Hank, Dua Lipa. Do it.
Dua Lipa. Okay, my hot seat is the Blue Jays because it came out that Shohei, what was the exact tweet? It was something about Shohei visiting with the Blue Jays, and I think by Shohei's rules, the Blue Jays should be eliminated.
They should be. I saw something very, very smart that they did here in Chicago on the way back from the airport.
There's just a giant billboard of shohei otani listing all of his stats love that how good he is that somebody very clearly spent probably probably six figures on in that prominent location just for the one trip that otani is going to make from o'hare airport to downtown chicago i love that smart use of money ken rosenthal said shohei Otani Blue Jays believed to have met Monday at Team's Florida Complex.

See ya, buddy. See ya, Blue Jays.

What?

They're doing this forever.

They just did the same thing for the Dodgers.

See ya, Dodgers! I think that's gone.

I haven't seen one for the Cubs.

Well, it was Nightingale.

The Red Sox aren't interested.

Nightingale said that the Cubs

they believe Shohei's interest in the Cubs is waning, which I think, given Bob Nightingale's track record, that's a very good thing. His Twitter picture is so funny.
He always looks like a gym teacher. I think we should just report New York Yankees have also met with Shohei Ohtani.
Put that out there. That way Shohei will get pissed off and take them off the list.
We should just do fake reports for the teams that he's visited. Shohei Otani has now officially visited with every team in Major League Baseball except for the Nationals, Cubs, Phillies, and the Red Sox.
Yes. My cool throne is the NBA in-season tournament because it kind of rocks.
The Pacers beat the Celtics last night. The Pelicans beat the Kings.
It was an awesome crowd. Did you watch the game, Hank? I'm sorry.
I'm reading. I'm trying to get in this podcast war.
Oh, okay. You know what? That's actually more important.
What are you talking about? Did you watch? The Celtics got bounced for the in-season tournament. Yeah, no, I watched.
Were you upset? Yeah. See? That means it worked yeah that's it's good so i i have a question about the end season tournament isn't courts are fucking disgusting yeah they are they are court like legitimately is nice like we i watched surviving barstool flip to that it was just like this is disgusting isn't the entire season an end season tournament to see who wins their division but their players get paid yeah it's working it's's working i will say that i was i was critical at first it didn't make sense in the beginning uh but now that it's more organized it's like quarterfinals semifinals finals it's like yeah i want to win and for the players it's like yeah let's win a million dollars it's you're playing hard in november which is the goal yeah i like the point differential the crowd was awesome yeah.
The crowd's good, and I've liked the strategy at end of games when it's like, yeah, you're winning, but you have to keep your foot on the gas because point differential is a tiebreaker and stuff, so you just blowouts. You're still trying to blow them out.
So I'm a fan. Yeah, the tournament becomes more real.
The court's got to go. Once you see a bracket, at that point, it's like my brain can comprehend this.
And a seed. Yeah.
And a score bug. Little number.
Yeah. And I was already thinking like t-shirts we would have sold, you know, in-season tournament champion t-shirts would have been funny.
So you were upset. That means it worked.
Yeah. Good.
All right. So yeah.
In-season tournament. All right, Jake, your hot seat.
Cool. It's wrong.
My hot seat's Nick Saban. Uh-oh.
His phone number got leaked, and apparently 250 anonymous callers called him. That's it? A lot of FSU fans.
That's very little. Yeah, that seems pretty light.
But he answered some of them. He did? Yeah.
Calling me every name in the book, talking about how we shouldn't be in the playoff. Can you bring up his number, Jake? I don't have it.
He's probably changed it by now. John Rich wrote a blog on it.
That's kind of awesome, though. Okay.
Yeah. So he's open to the haters.
Yeah. My cool throne is Tua.
Tua played the guitar on the Manning cast on Monday night. Yep.
And I think he's going to collab with Darius Rucker. Ooh.
Oh, we love Darius Rucker NFL collabs. That one clip of Tua dodging the rush is so awesome.
We just shook his shoulder. Darius Rucker said, I'm in for a Tua collab.
There we go. Tua and Darius.
Shout out to Booty and the Bluefish. Hooty, my favorite band.
Hooty is your favorite band. Well, it's kind of an inside joke because I got exposed for not knowing them.
Oh, yeah, that's right. Two years ago that's right who is your favorite band jake uh punk brought to you by buffalo sports you don't listen you don't it doesn't jake's one of those weirdos she doesn't listen to music correct i mean i listen to you but i'm not gonna like go out of my way to like pick a certain well no that means you don't listen to music did you have even have a spotify wrapped yeah it was like part of my take no but you have music too.
So do you like in your, if you're in a car, you're not like turning on music? The radio. Jesus.
What about on a plane? Like today's hits. On a plane? Today's hits.
The plane you won't listen to music? Or like watch something. What about when Mr.
Positions is in action? Yeah. You listen? Put a little R.
Kelly on? He listens to like, what's that? Carton? I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, Boomer.
Oh. Yeah.
Why are these lights flashing? Also, hello from YouTube from our new camera angle. We got memes in the mix now.
Memes is on camera. Everybody's been wanting to see memes is beautiful boy look at him he's so beautiful memes not a people person just so everyone knows he doesn't bite but he kind of does memes memes was born out of the internet i feel like this is the first time people are seeing memes for some people yeah memes is he's been in videos lo been in videos.
Low-key, one of the best athletes here at this company. Yeah.
You would never know it by the way he walks. Memes, I have a new best friend for you, too.
Oh, uh... Liam, the no-context college football guy we just hired.
Yeah. He is literally born from the internet just like you, and he has the same mannerisms where it's like, if you talk to him, he's like, I don't really want to do this.
You guys are going to. I just want to meme.
So well. Yeah.
He wears sandals inside. Yeah.
You guys, like we just hired another memes. You guys should become best friends.
I don't think memes likes him. Oh, no.
No, no, no. I like him.
I like him. This place isn't big enough for two of us.
Yeah. That's my vibe off of what memes is doing.
This is my turf. Yeah.
I'm the guy who's ornery and tough to talk to. What the fuck? We already got one of these.
I take screenshots. Yeah.
I post pictures of you looking as fat as possible. Oh, that's not me.
No, that's you. That's totally me.
That's you. All right.
Let's get to our interview. We got a great interview.
We got Mo and Franz Wagner from The Magic. Great, great interview with both these guys in studio.
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Thank you guys for joining us. First question, did I say your last name correctly? Is it a V? Should I do the V? No, if you say it American like that, you said it right.
Okay, but did I sound like a poser where people are like, clearly he's American, he just tried to go the Wagner. No, that's the right way to say it.
Okay. All right.
Good. Good.
I appreciate that. Yes.
Yes. So, thank you guys for coming in.
We're very excited to have you on the show. We want to talk about your whole career.
First, let's jump into this season. You guys are playing good ball.
The Magic, I feel like the Magic got a little, you know, people are talking about the Magic. Paolo, you guys.
Is it weird to play together in the nba because it's pretty crazy to have two brothers on the same team yeah it's super special obviously it's uh super unique um we got super lucky i got drafted to the magic mode signed there the same year so um we're definitely enjoying it um and it took a little bit of an adjustment period i would say at, at first. What was the adjustment period? Yeah, what was the adjustment period? There's a lot of emotion that comes with it.
We're both very emotional. So when stuff doesn't go maybe all the way on the court, there's a lot more stuff that comes up from the past and stuff like that when you get mad at each other.
Oh, like in practice you're like, I remember when we were five and you were trying to do this.

Exactly.

A lot of that stuff comes up sometimes.

But, I mean, obviously it's super cool for both of us, for the whole family.

So we're making the most out of it.

Who's the more emotional of the two of you?

Oh, that's tough.

I would say Mo.

Who's the messy bitch?

Mo?

Mo, you're the emotional one?

I'm more like external emotionally, I would say. I let all out uh and franz is a little more low-key but if you know him really well uh you know when he has his phases as well and i've obviously known him his entire life so um i can say that he's very emotional as well yeah so so being on the same team um is it like what's the locker room dynamic where everyone's like, these guys are brothers? Has anyone ever jokingly tried to talk shit to one of you about the other? Being like, this guy, Mo's game sucks.
He's like, dude, that's my brother. Well, I mean, I think we find a pretty good balance to obviously embrace the brother thing, but also at the same time with different individuals and not everything I do, Franz to do and the other way around so there's a certain boundary and with teammates as well and we kind of embrace that that difference in relationship and we also don't want to like kind of I don't know side with each other you know where our teammates feel weird about it and I think we've gotten in a very good organic habit in the locker room to just kind of respect each other as teammates and not only as brothers.
Yeah, has there been a moment where you have to make a decision like, wait, this would be a good opportunity for me to agree with everybody else that's not my brother just to show them like, hey, I'm on your side. Yeah, it's cool.
I think that's not that big a thing. I think if Mo says something that I don't agree with, I'll be totally honest and tell him that.
Yeah. Sure will.
Yeah. I love the healthy sibling rivalry between you two.
Can you guys compliment each other? Can each brother say something to the other one of maybe one thing that they do well that you wish you could do better? You want us to do that live? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can start.
I think Franz has the ability to like – he has a very healthy curiosity about everything. So he comes in a room and observes everything and kind of takes what he wants, what he needs for his life and makes sense out of that.
I think it's pretty unique for his age. I sometimes forget that he's 22, 22, right? 22 years old.
He's very mature for his age. So that's something I wish I had a little more where I could just observe and just take everything uh what i want and what i don't want and uh it's very reflective on that end yeah that was good that was a good answer a good one i had that i had that uh i had that ready i prepared for the podcast all right so franz i would say what i like about how mo just comes into a room is you know mo's mo he he won't change for anybody for anybody else.
He's going to be straight up with you. And I wish I had that sometimes a little bit more.
I think sometimes I'm a little bit more, I don't know, on the more conservative side, don't want to take sides right away or say my opinion right away out loud if I don't know somebody in the room yet. And Mo's just being himself all the time.
I think that's something that I can still do a little bit more so it's interesting you brought that up because i had a question about this um last year killian hayes i knew this was gonna get out through a punch sucker sucker punch through the sucker punch the back of mo's head notice that you weren't anywhere in the clip i know there's a rule that you can't leave the bench were you on the bench at the time? I was on the bench. I did leave the bench.
You did leave the bench? I was the last one to leave the bench. Okay, but I saw that clip.
I remember when it happened. I was like, where the fuck is Franz? That's a very good point.
I felt bad for two different reasons. One, it was my brother.
I didn't stick up for him in the moment. And two, I got fined because I still left the bench.
So it was the worst of both worlds. Double whammy.
When you watched the clip back, did you notice that? I mean, I'll be honest with you. I had a lot going on.
I didn't really care about what Franz did in that moment. I honestly just tried to get out of that hole.
You were in the middle of it. That was a rough week.
I think even if he had gotten up, he would not have been able to get in there. Yeah, exactly.
It was a lot going on. So my least worry was what Franz is doing right now.
Just try to get out of that. If that doesn't happen in front of their bench either, I don't think any of this is happening anyway.
So you don't want to be on YouTube and social media because of stuff like that. yeah i'll tell you that much that's kind of where my head was at so um yeah yeah i mean it would have been nice to see franz in there uh yeah just saying it probably yeah yeah i'll tell you i'll tell you what i'll tell you what i'll make up for it if franz ever gets hit in the back of the head i'll be right there brothers all right so i want to talk about the like your path to the nba because obviously germany like there's there's dirk and and there's players from germany but it's not like you know a ton of players in the nba in germany what was it like playing basketball in germany when you were kids like it's not the main sport what what was that like was it hard to to find leagues? Was it hard to find an outlet for playing basketball as a kid? Well, I think it's not difficult to find an outlet.
The main difference is that basketball is super popular here, and part of the reason is because everybody plays in school. Right.
So that's the first. Accessibility is the easiest part.
You just go on the basketball team in high school and then when you play there you're the man and you're supposed to go to college and all of a sudden the nba is right there you can watch it every night on national television for us it's kind of like a such you made that sound way too easy i mean all we gotta do is just be like the man in high school then college then the nba everyone does. Obviously, it's not easy at all.
I didn't mean to sound like that. But it's just like a very accessible world.
For us, it's more, you know, you got to get up at 3 a.m. in the morning if you want to watch these games.
You really got to have that thought that you're going to make that happen for yourself and come up with that on your own. And I think that's the biggest challenge because that's not necessarily a German mentality either to kind of say, yeah, fuck it, I'll do it.
Right. And I think that's the biggest challenge.
You go to a club, you have to kind of be able to coordinate school with club. And that's time, not very time efficient.
You got to be very, you got to be grown up very early. And it's a different style of basketball too that you learn to play so um those are challenges that make it a lot harder or seem a lot harder at first but uh once you go to college there's a lot good from take to take from that as well i do think we take it for granted that like those you know baseball football basketball even hockey like you know there's a outlet right when you're a little kid like kids are you know my kids in t-ball my kids already playing basketball it's like offered everywhere what so you said style what's the main difference in like learning european basketball that when you came over to america you're like oh this is different maybe something that helped you more than you realized we can have a whole podcast about that we can talk about franz and i talk about this all the time because i think i mean the the biggest thing is uh you you learn to play without the ball i think it's not about it's not about you when you learn to play in europe um so i don't think i've i don't think i scored more than 25 points before i got to college uh you never it's never about the individual it's always you learn how to play very organized at a very young age and you see that in the NBA too um that European players like just know how to play with each other um and then in college it's all of a sudden you get there and it's like okay it's like this raw raw mentality I have to kill you to get the spot and I have to start and all these things that were very new for us but which we needed to in order to get to the NBA because it's America.
Right. Yeah.

You have to get minutes at some point.

You have to show what you can do if you want to get to the NBA.

You have to adjust to that mentality and take it on on your own because if you don't, they'll test you in that first practice.

And if you can't take on that mentality, yeah.

So America has made you more selfish.

I like that.

It's good.

That's a great way to summarize it. I was like, I'm old.
One of our greatest exports. Yeah.
It is. More competitive.
Yeah. That's a good way to put it.
Yeah. So when you were growing up, was, was Dirk everything? Is he just a basketball God over in Germany? Yeah.
You can say that. Yeah.
Basketball God for sure. But at the same time, like I wanted to say this earlier, like we don't grow up in Europe with the pressure of needing to make the NBA.
Kids here, they grow up, all want to make the NFL, the NBA. That's all they care about when they play the sport.
We grow up, we want to play for our team in Berlin. That's what we dream of when we grow up.
And then as we get older, maybe you're a prospect. Now you start thinking about that, but it's never NBA or or bust you know what i mean so um i think with dirk is he's a definitely a huge figure huge athlete in germany but because basketball is just not that popularity standpoint it's not like uh a star would be here or sports in general honestly aren't as much a part of society uh back home so it is so when when did you guys realize like oh we have goals that are bigger than you know just playing for our team in berlin like we're going to be in the nba what was that moment and was it someone who pushed you there or a scout who's like yo you guys are really really good i will say that i mean i think that's i don't know how franz feels about that but that took me the most energy to come up with that mentality of F everything.
I'm going to do this and I'm going to believe in it, even though nobody here else talks about it, you know, and that's kind of that took me a lot of energy. There was a click moment when I was like 15 years old.
I really wanted to go to college because our parents went to school, went to a university and we wanted to kind of connect basketball and the school aspect of it. And then through that, I realized, okay, there's more that we can do.
And then at some point, I wanted to go to college because I wanted to go to the NBA. So at a certain point, I just said, fuck this.
I want to go to the league. Right.
And I'm going to do that, and I'm going to figure it out. There wasn't really a plan B.
I was too crazy to have a plan B, but I was also not arrogant enough to say, I'm going to make the league. You kind of have that for yourself, and that takes a lot of energy and a lot of belief.
And I'm lucky it worked out. Yeah.
Could have gone any other way, too. Yeah.
So why Michigan? What made you decide that Michigan was the right place for you to go from Georgia? Because if I grew up in Europe and I was thinking about the United States, I would probably think Los Angeles, Miami, Arizona, somewhere nice, maybe Hawaii, go play out there. Why Michigan? Well, next time tell them to offer me.
Of course, that's not how it works i love when you said that you sounded like a die

hard villain i had a one i had one offer and uh coach beeline kind of yeah believed in me he said here we want you to come to michigan it's cold but it's a good school they play very european obviously big 10 super super slow basketball relatively um they played five out which was good for me um there's a lot it's very skill oriented so I feel like that that was a fit and then I was either going to Michigan or stay at home and uh I kind of I kind of just I took the risk and Franz did you was it Michigan or nothing else for you or did you get offered other places I got offered really like I just I didn't decide that I was actually going to michigan until it was like i want to say may or june or something like that so really late um that summer um so i got some offers really late because some of the guys left for the nba at other schools um but it was more for me it was more between choosing michigan or staying at home and signing a contract there and i was kind of waiting because beeline had just left um to go to the NBA and I was kind of waiting who was going to be your next coach yeah and once Juwan got the job I really connected with him I felt really comfortable and I knew the school um just the experience wise obviously I knew that from Mo that that was going to be fun yeah so uh yeah I waited on that so you brought up Juwan I didn't but since you did bring up Juwan, I went to Wisconsin. Yeah.
Where's this headed, I go over there? I mean, what's your coach doing? He's smushing people's faces? You had to say, like, this is ridiculous. You guys call yourself Michigan men, and you smush people in the face? I mean, he's sticking up for his team.
For a handshake? He's getting upset about a handshake? Something had to happen, I'm sure. I'm not saying I'm condoning any violence.
I think we removed enough to say that that was awesome. It was great for the sport.
I said right in the middle, like, I love rivalries. I love those moments.
I think we're not getting in trouble if we say that. Obviously, that was crazy.
But at the same time, I was like, yeah, that's my God. That was a good Michigan man answer that you just gave.
Yeah. You hate to see violence.
Close the ranks. Connor Stallion.
No, we can just say, like, that kicked ass. Yeah.
Did he practice that? Did he practice? He's like, listen, guys, if we lose by, like, 30, I'll smush someone's face like that. And here's how.
No, I don't know if you practice it. But that's practice it, but that's the type of coach you want to play for.
That stands up for your team and really is part of the group. I think Juan did that while I was there, and he's still doing that.
Like I said, I'm not condoning any violence, but it was funny. We definitely won that fight too.
No, you guys lost by 20 and you got upset about a timeout it was crazy so all right so other question about michigan not a great uh thing for you mo that villanova game yeah we were there we were there in the building i want to say this the nicest way possible because obviously you guys had an incredible run that entire run was insane uh to the finals yeah but at what point in that game were you like, oh, we're fucked? Because we felt it like maybe five minutes in, we were like, oh, no. Villanova is this good.
Yeah. I mean, when you look at that roster.
It's crazy. It's ridiculous.
I mean, they have five NBA players, six NBA players. They started all NBA five.
Like, in college, that's so unique. The fact that we're even in the game within the first 10 minutes uh is is pretty special I mean we had a pretty good team too um I have a hard time letting go of things in general but that sometimes still haunts me uh obviously because you don't get that close right well it shouldn't haunt you you you could play that game a hundred times you'd have lost a hundred.
Yeah. I know.
You're probably right. It was bad timing, but it's not about that.
You just think, okay, what would have happened if you won that thing? You know what I mean? It was an incredible run. It was incredible.
You guys did it in the Big Ten Championship game. Was that the year, the plane crash year? No, that was the year before.
Okay. Which we won the Big Ten Championship as well.
Right. Thanks for bringing that up.
That was good. that was good no that was awesome i mean i had an incredible couple years at michigan uh i'm super grateful for that time obviously it's it's it's kind of weird like feeling after a game like that because you kind of relieved at the same time like i remember like it was such a crazy couple weeks that you just you're just happy it's over with almost and then you just got crushed by 20.
It's so pissed. You go on campus and it's so nasty.
Yeah, we bet Villanova in that game. That was the easiest one of all time.
When Dante DiVincenzo scores that many points against you, it's like, okay, they're rough. What did you bet on the Florida-Wisconsin game when Chiosa hit that three? What do you care about that? I think that's a valid question.
What do you care about that? No, who did you bet on that? That game has nothing to do with you. That was a Massacre garden, too.
Yeah, we were there. We were there for it.
Yeah, okay. I see it.
That's fine. What do we think about Harbaugh? Love it.
Yeah. We love Harbaugh.
We love Harbaugh. If you're against – I understand being against what Michigan's being accused of, And if you're a rival school, you probably hate Michigan's guts right now.
But it's such a funny scandal. It's so funny.
Yeah. Can I ask you this question? Yeah.
So you guys are Americans. We aren't.
Fact. What do you think about that? Like in our business, in our sport, that's called scouting.
Yeah. So like what do you think about the whole thing? So the reason why you can't do it in college football is because not every school has the same athletics budget, right? So it wouldn't be fair if some teams could afford to send five scouts to every away game when they weren't playing.
Okay. Whereas some smaller schools would not have the resources to be able to send people out to do that.
So that's why the rule's in place. But it seems like Hunter Stallions didn't expense any of his trips, and he might have just done it out of the good of his own heart to go on these trips it's a big heart which is uh i guess abiding by the spirit of the rule if not the letter of the law but you're right it is scouting it's just trying to make it so and well every other team is going to say that they don't do that right and i'm sure some teams do but they're saying michigan's the only team that's doing it that's unfair here here's the part so i i think it's cheating in the fact that yes by the letter of the law is cheating but the part that bothers me is all the big 10 teams complaining about it because that's like it that's such an excuse you're getting your your teeth kicked in by them every you know for the last two years find a way to beat them like I hate the excuse thing that's the part that bothers me yeah yeah go find a way to beat them.
Yeah. Do you guys do that? Do you have a magic scout doing? I don't even think you could.
I mean, we have like 20 scouts in the building. They do this for a living.
That's why I'm so confused about it. Like, we can call our plays and the opposite team knows exactly what we're running.
You still got to stop it. I've never played football, so I don't know how it works.
And we've had this conversation a lot on the dinner table or on the lunch table lately within the team. But, like, I guess it's different in football.
When you really know a route or a play, it's easier to stop it. Yes.
But I guess you – I think it's ridiculous, to be honest with you. And the funny thing is we got the signs now, so you can take the three-game suspension, but we'll still know what's running, right? to coach during the week yeah but he has to he has to just sit out on saturdays yeah so speaking of scouting when was the first time someone came and scouted you guys in germany did you notice right away you're like oh there's that fat american sitting in a tom the bahama shirt i i think i think you don't really notice as a player uh i know for sure that at the fiba

tournaments like when you play for your national team when you're like under 16 under 18 that type of stuff there's a lot of nba scouts there i know that now but i wasn't really yeah aware at that point that's probably better because i would definitely be like there's a scout and then just have a terrible game yeah yeah yeah i had no clue i was way too no i was no i had no clue What did you guys, you guys won, not Olympics, what did you guys win?

The World Cup.

The World Cup. game yeah yeah yeah i had no clue i was way too no i was not i had no clue what'd you guys you

guys won not uh olympics what what did you guys win you won the world cup the world cup world world cup who'd you guys beat in the final was it the u.s serbia oh okay the u.s we'd be in the semi-final who was on the u.s team let's go through the team um a bunch of villanova guys Paolo Banqueiro was on the team.

Okay.

Is he good?

He's solid.

All right.

Uh. A bunch of Villanova guys Paolo Bancair was on the team Is he good? He's solid Tyrese Halliburton, Anthony Edwards So we didn't send our best Not our best and brightest Do we really want to get into it? Really good players If we sent our first team How much do we beat you guys by? We shall see Yeah we shall see Yeah, we shall see.
Yeah, I've heard you talk about having to guard Kevin Durant and maybe kind of your welcome to the NBA moment. Oh, you heard that stuff? Yeah, I listened to it.
I did some scouting. Yeah, I did some dumb shit, I will be honest with you, in my first couple years.
I mean, I talk a lot, obviously, and I've kind of put that back a little bit. But one of the first times I matched up against Kevin Durant, and obviously, dude, I'm a huge NBA fan, right? Like, I know all these guys from YouTube.
I know all – I watched all these games at night. Franz and I would get up at night and watch these players.
So all of a sudden, I'm on the court with them, and obviously my first year I'm a little starstruck. And Kevin Durant guards me, and I think he's not taking me serious at all he doesn't even know who i was and i'm like on the pick and pop three and he fouls me and i didn't realize it was him and like turned around and said yeah you can't guard me i have no credibility whatsoever uh at this point um and it's kevin durant i just talked smack to.
Yeah. And at that point, it was the Warriors.
He was on the Warriors. And it was him, Draymond Green, and DeMarcus Cousins that were on the free throw line, box out, talking shit to me while I was shooting three free throws.
Oh, my God. And I'm telling you, I was so shook.
Did you make him? I made one out of three. I think there's like a replay.
You can see Quinn Cook on the sideline like laughing his ass off because those three guys were going ass. Yeah, those are like three of the worst guys to want to do.
I set myself up for that, though. I deserved all of that.
You can't guard me. You can't guard me.
You can't guard me. And I turned around.
I see KD. I was like, what did you just say? I'm like, oh, no.
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Do you have any of those moments, Franz, where you're like, oh, this is different. Like the NBA is maybe not like Boogie Cousins yelling at you on the free throw line, but some moment where you're like, okay, like okay this i gotta focus a little more because this is definitely harder than it was in college i mean i remember my first i think it was our first preseason game we're playing the celtics and i was guarding uh jason tatum in the post and he like did this quick spin move and i was still standing there as he was dunking the ball like i didn't even notice that he like had left um that was like the one moment i was like yo this is so much faster so much quicker yeah um and kevin durant i i tried to guard him as best as i could in an actual game then i think he went 11 for 12 for 30 points and it's just like you try all you can but it's just he's just like like it's a hard shots, too.
It's not like layups. It's like insane shots.
Yeah. You're playing what you think is the best defense that you can against him, and then there's nothing you can do about it.
It's just all net. He's just working out by himself.
That's how it feels. Yeah.
Do you guys live together? Yeah. What's that like? It's fun.
It's fun. We live in a house that's probably a little too big for both of us but um it's awesome we both have our you know private space mo's upstairs i'm downstairs um and yeah we're kind of catching up on on some time that we kind of lost when mo went to michigan and later on in the nba do you guys have moments where you are like hanging out in the nba and you're like remember when we used to wake up at like three in the morning watch youtube videos together like as you know teenagers because that's got to be kind of a whole dude i think this i think this all all the time like even when we pull up to the united center yesterday i'm like this is so crazy this is a big ass arena and people actually pay to watch us play um but i mean we talk about this all the time and i've I've been in the league for four years without him obviously living by myself and it gets lonely real quick you know you only get to play basketball so much a day and then you have all the rest of the day in some city that you've never lived in um kind of to spend by yourself and having a roommate or kind of having that camaraderie is is just really cool You can share it and obviously saying it out loud too that this is kind of cool what we're doing has so much value and reminds you of how grateful you should be to do this job.
Yeah. Who's the hardest guy to guard and not named Kevin Durant for both of you? I mean, there's players like you can't really guard.
Like Joel Embiid, for for example is like one of those guys where you just like you have to have make it difficult for him uh yokich you kind of it's like before the game you like decide what you want to take away or what you want to challenge them in and the rest you just kind of live with uh without like admitting weakness here but it's just like the the skill set and like it's just so incredible right in this league that um it's kind of like just make it as difficult as you can for him and then live with the result yeah because i i remember i think jj reddick said it on his podcast that like the misconception that guys in the nba don't play defense is so off it's that the guys in the nba are so good at offense that it's there are certain people that you you can do anything. You can try your best, but – You can't.
Right. We're trying our best.
We're trying. Who's the toughest guy to play against? Like, who's the most tenacious defender that you've had to go up against? He gets, like, 28 shots a game, so I'm going to let you speak on that.
Hey, you fill it up. What are you averaging this year? I don't know.
Let's stay away from the average. Oh, why not? You guys don't – He's looking at it.
Wait, you guys – you don't read like your box scores? You don't track your stats? We don't – I don't look at numbers. I don't – Fran's averaging – why wouldn't you know how much you're averaging a game? I think it's bad to try to play a game and try to hit 18.3 points again.
Well, it would be tough to hit 18.3, but yeah. You get what I'm saying.
18.5 and 3, that's pretty damn good. So, yeah, so who's the guy who, when you have to match up against him, you're like, this is going to be a long – not a long night, but it's going to be harder than usual.
I would say PJ Tucker because he's really physical. Yep.
Kawhi Leonard, we just played the Clippers. His arms are so long.
And he's so strong. People don't realize it, like really can't move him.
Yeah. There's no point in even in even trying hey do you guys think that zone defense is kind of coward defense it is right you probably play it in europe a lot right as an offense it means that they can't that they're having a problem stopping you with a 515 defense right i think that's i think they're almost admitting it yeah yeah do you like say at the end of the day though like if you win with a zone offense, you won.
So I don't care. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like if you win with a zone defense, you won too. Yeah.
The incentive is to score more points. That's true.
So if you can't figure out a zone, that always makes you look more foolish than the zone defense. Yeah.
Right. Do you like playing zone defense? Like being on defense yeah um i would i i would i would just get like uh like i would be standing there and just be like oh wait where am i supposed to stand yeah that that is actually a thing like we spend 99 of our time in practice playing man defense so then when we're in the game sometimes you throw a zone out there just to throw it off the other team we're definitely not as used to playing zone defense as we are in man so right there's it's just a it's just way different it's not that it's more chill or you have to move less or anything like that you have to actually like communicate a lot more because you know you're not doing it as much you're feeling not a habit yeah yeah have you guys ever been in the zone in the zone like in Like in the zone shooting-wise.
Has there been a game? What game? Do you remember it? Could you feel different when you were in the zone? You're like, this is just no matter what I throw up there, it's going in. Yeah.
That's got to run. It's an amazing.
I would imagine it's the best feeling in the world. I had it one time in college, and ever since then it's been.
How many did you score? I scored 22 points and a half which is a lot in college yeah oh and it felt so good it was like it's just like you go into halftime it's like what just happened it's so much fun yeah awesome what about you franz i would say my my first real good game in the nba um i wouldn't say i was in the zone the whole game but I had a stretch in the fourth yeah

it's just that perfect mix of

relaxation, focus

you're just in that perfect mind spot

and like you said everything you're throwing

up there feels like it's going in

it would be so good

I would just hope that the game would never end

let's keep playing

I would also try to recreate everything I did that day

like the next time I played

do the same breakfast, lunch

See you next time i played do the same like breakfast lunch the same routine everything don't change a single thing wear the same underwear so patrick mahomes does you know yeah he wears the same you wash the underwear after the game he says he doesn't he's that's nasty yeah he says how many games are there a year 17 17 now yeah 17 games so you know in the playoffs. We've been in an nfl team you root for every what you have an nfl team you root for we root for the fins the fins up okay yeah there we go what what about when were you guys kids when they started putting nfl games in germany.
Did you go? Is it weird?

Tell us from your perspective.

No, oh, not on TV, but like the actual games. No, I never went to an actual game in Germany.

But I think like a couple years ago, I don't know exactly how long,

but they would like put out the Sunday games, which is like prime time.

Yeah.

Right?

So they would show two of those at home.

And that's like a memory of mine, like doing my homework, watching the game with my dad. And there's actually a really big following.
That's why they have games there now. It's the best sport in the world.
Yeah. Did you ever think about playing American football? No.
You'd be tight ends. You'd be great tight ends.
One block. Yeah.
One quarter. Yeah.
Did you guys play soccer growing up? Yeah, because I was going to say, like, there probably was a moment where, like, all the soccer players, like, you're going to really waste your time with this basketball thing. And now you can laugh at them and be like, that wasn't a waste.
Look at us. Yeah.
I mean, I played at the same time for two years. I always say that I would be a really good soccer player.
My brother doesn't really believe me. but I'm too tall.
I had a great time playing soccer. It was really cool.
Which is when he's got a history of very tall soccer players that were pretty good. Yeah, but not this tall.
6'11 on a soccer pitch. It's very tall.
And these guys are so fast. Yeah, it's no change.
Like the defenders most of the time are the tallest ones, right? Right. Like they're're going up against, like, Messi and all these guys.
These guys are so fast.

You know what I think I can stop?

No shot.

No shot.

Kim Olajuwon, he was a goalkeeper for the Nigerian national team.

Was he?

Yeah.

Really?

But it seems weird because he's so far from the ground, so you just shoot low on him.

Yeah.

And it goes in.

But, yeah, he was a really good soccer player for a while.

Who's – what team do you guys root for in soccer? Bayern? I'm a big Werder Brehm fan. I don't know if that says anything.
Is that First League? It's the First League. Bundesliga? It's the Bundesliga, exactly.
It's a team in the north. You guys suck? It sounds like you suck.
The way I'm saying it, you suck. Healthy midfield.
Healthy. Yeah, yeah.
Healthy midfield. Sounds like you suck.
Like the Bears in the NFL. Oh, no.
We're not healthy midfield. We're the worst.
We're always the worst. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. No, no.
That's fair. That's a fair shot.
I like it. I like those.
What's the one thing that people, fans, get wrong about the NBA? Like, they don't understand it. Like, the one thing, whether it be how tough the grind is or, like I was saying about how everyone's good at offense and that's not means that you're not trying on defense.

What's the thing that like you could correct if, you know, you hear fan criticism.

You're like, that's not exactly how it works.

I have one thing that comes to mind.

Right.

Don't DM me about your bets.

I don't give up.

I got to delete.

But what if you had a parlay and you just need to get one more fucking rebound? Yeah. Yeah, that's – I mean, I understand that, but that's your fault for betting.
I mean, I really don't give a rat's ass about your bet. That's a fair response.
That's the one thing that I'm not here for your bets. Okay.
I actually like that. It's getting out of hand.
It's like 10, 15 people at a time, like every game. And they're going crazy, too.
Yeah, they get personal. Yeah, these guys sound nuts.
guys sound nuts yeah the worst so that's just you don't have anybody that works here no it's fun though obviously i'm not i'm not against that but just don't dm me yeah that's fair well you could also just not look at the dms yeah that's a good point yeah so maybe it's on you yeah what are you looking, why are you checking your DMs? Yeah, it's on you. That's a great point.
Yeah, what are you looking for in your DMs, Mo? Well, I mean, depends on the city. Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah, pretty.
They have the big student section. They obviously go crazy for the Michigan game.
Yeah. Big rivalry.
It's always a special time. What about you? Dark Horse, Purdue.
Oh. It was good, yeah.
Purdue, it's also like so dark in there. Like the fans are all like wear black.
Yeah. And it's like they're on top of you almost.
Like the student section is on top of the bench almost. It feels weird.
I gave you guys an opening there to say Cole Center because the refs always call the games differently. You know what's funny about that arena? It's like a lot of like – because Madison is such a cool, like normal city where people like that aren't students live too.
They're quiet for like 35 minutes. And the student section is in the – like they should put it behind the bench.
Yeah, I agree. But they go on a run and then all of a sudden that place is live.
It's insane. It could be quiet for 35 minutes, and then they go on one little run and cool center of school.
I think it's because they drink so much before the games, they don't get in until midway through the second quarter. It's hard to cheer when you have a belly full of cheese curds.
Yeah, good answer, though, with Michigan State, because I feel like Michigan State is a very hard place to play and any team that goes in there and wins a game, they have to be an elite basketball player. They've already lost a couple games this year.
Oh, they did? They lose to who? I don't know. I'm not a big college.
I'm going to look it up. Look it up.
I think they lost their first game at home. They lost their first game at home? Non-conference? No, there's no way they lost.
That's no way. Look it up.
Look it up. Okay.
Non-conference. Are you talking about Tom Izzo at Michigan State? Yeah.
I mean, yeah. They lost to James Madison.
Oh, shit. Do we have anyone who went to James Madison? I got a helmet up here.
That's crazy, though. It is.
Oh, yeah. How much did they lose by? It was overtime, but it doesn't matter.
It still counts. No, but I agree with you.
Going to Michigan State, you were a legit threat to win the national championship if you can win a game there. Yeah.
Yeah, and they show up early for the game. In warm-ups, they're talking shit to you.
They know shit about you, too. Yeah.
I can't do their research. What's the most personal somebody's gotten in the crowd? Ooh.
Actually, don't say that because then other people will say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Smart. Off camera.
So, yeah, I'll pivot to a different last question. When you guys were growing up, would you guys just beat the shit out of the neighbors?

How intimidating was your family?

We've got the tallest, most athletic people in our city that live in the same house.

Would you play basketball against them and just dunk on them all the time?

We only just should have done that.

Yeah.

Why didn't you?

Not very violent people.

It's kind of soft.

Very tall.

Personal life. Yeah.
No fighters. It's kind of soft.
Very tall. Personal life.

Yeah.

No fighters.

We would fight each other.

Yeah.

Yeah, me and Mo.

But that's about it.

Who wins?

Well, I had a legit advantage being five years older,

four and a half years older, so there's a physical advantage there.

Ever since that's even, we haven't fought,

just because we're adults now. When was the last time you guys wrestled? You can't tell me there hasn't been one time when you're living in the big house, too much room.
No, we don't wrestle. Just like tussle a little.
Wrestle? We don't wrestle. Hypothetically, if you were to wrestle, who wins right now? Well, my grappling is pretty good.
I'm a big UFC fighter. I like UFC, so I think I have an advantage.
Were you nervous, Mo, that Franz was going to get taller than you? No. But I will say there's – I mean, being a big brother, I think everybody can relate to that.
There's a point where you're like – you're playing one-on-one your entire life and then there's the age where at some point he like pulls out a move and you like low-key like realize okay like one more month and i cannot guard this and that's when i stopped playing yeah that had to feel awesome france when you had that move well i didn't let him know i didn't let that's the thing he didn't let me know so i never got to like actual but you knew yeah you knew you knew when he stopped playing was like i don't want to play anymore it's like oh shit he kind of like actually got by me and you're probably like where'd you learn that from because i never showed that right right right what's this yeah i figured something out here that's great all right well thank you guys awesome studio. Anytime you're in Chicago, we'd love to have you stop by.
For sure. You can shoot on our 10-foot, 2-inch rims, which are the stupidest rims ever.
Yeah, how do you mess that up? I don't know. We have the tallest basketball rims in the world.
No one has ever made a basketball rim over 10 feet. It's crazy.
Feels like kind of like. Yeah, I think we're getting pranked.
I think it's the guy that built this off as Hank just being like, hey, no dunking. Because we'd all be able to dunk if it was 10-foot.
Right. Well, thank you guys.
Best of luck for the rest of the season. Appreciate you guys.
Thank you. Rated T for Teen.
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It's been a while. Hank, you ready? Fire them up.
Fire them up. Fire them up.
Fire them up. By the way, guys, have you guys looked at the schedule this weekend? It's going to fucking rock.
So we got Chiefs, Bills. We got Eagles, Cowboys.
Eagles, Cowboys. Which I think, think max you were exempt from streaming i think new york's gonna stream it with smitty so you're happy we'll maybe watch the second half while we're taping the show yeah we'll have clips even better for the people at home yeah i mean whatever it doesn't matter yeah we can watch you react as it's happening maybe make a pm tvTV.
Yeah, maybe make a PMTV out of it. Yeah, we have that.
Chiefs-Bills, Cowboys-Eagles. We have Rams-Ravens, which is going to be a great game.
Seahawks-Niners, right? Double Monday night. Yeah.
Colts-Bengals, low-key. Yeah.
Yeah, that's right. Double Monday night game.
Don't be caught off guard. There are two Monday night games this week.
For what reason, I don't know. But they're going to kick off at the exact same time it's actually a good strategy because they're both games that like aren't great they're bad games yeah i think the dolphins playing one of them but still you could just flip to the one that has a better game or have two tvs all right hank faqs whenever y'all decide to hang up the mic are y'all going to do a kobe retirement tour or tell us all of a sudden like brady i think we just never retire i have nightmares of this hypothetical wait when brady retired he retired and then he came back though remember true we so we talked about this with cam and brandon marshall about doing a tour i've always thought in my head that like when we do end up hanging up the cleats we're gonna do like a sellout like aerosmith when they're like 75 tour.
Or we're just going to be like, yeah, we're going to make like $20 million being washed up podcasters doing like one final tour. We could do the Kiss version of that, which is you do that tour.
We should do so many drugs on that tour. You do that tour like five times in a row where you're like, this is the retirement tour.
Yeah. Then you come back, retire again.
Then you come back, retire again. What if we did one final tour and it was the drugs only tour and we died at the last episode we're just like everything like man these guys are they got to get off the road yeah it's k it's killing them i mean ai is going to take over for this podcast eventually yeah no we i don't think we would do a um that would be crazy if we just did a all right and that's the last episode I don't think we do that

I think it would be a

much more calculated landing the plane

but that's not a problem we have to

think about right now

we're going on year eight it's crazy

you're into a decade it's like

odd years that's that's 50 years

yeah we don't know what what what podcast

cigarettes also

this is about no leap where so it's going to be the

actual anniversary yes

yes year two your second year yeah

Thank you. Yeah, we don't know what podcasting is going to our bodies.
No, podcasting is cigarettes. Also, this is about to be a leap year, so it's going to be the actual anniversary.

Yes.

February 29th. Yes.

Year two.

It's going to be your second year, yeah.

No, podcast, it's like cigarettes in the 50s.

Everyone did them.

Yeah, and they didn't know what the effect was.

So in like 20 years, everyone that has a podcast, they're going to have like-

They podcast it every day.

Yeah.

They're going to have like a brain tumor.

Yeah, hunched over, can't hear.

Fat. And Bob Lee will come back and be like like these podcasters put their lives on the line i would not let my son be a podcaster nope nope i'd let him be a tiktok star that's important thing get him started early uh memes wrote the or memes said these questions but this one says hey pmt just want to ask what your thoughts were on hanky hazards beating pfd the money match.
Oh interesting. And what else we can expect.
I was a witness. Yeah Jake.
Nobody won. No one won it was a tie.
I won the match. We tied 0-0.
I won the match. Then we went double or nothing.
Won that. Then we went triple or nothing.
And you lost that. Oh so you didn't so no one won.
So I owed Hank zero dollars and hank owed me zero dollars so no one won no one i won the match it was a good matchup it was how bad did you win it or how much did you win six holes yeah hank won it by a considerable amount hank does spend all his time on that simulator he does and he knew how to putt i didn't know how to putt until like the last five holes when jake had to step in and show me how to aim on the simulator which hank knew because he plays it all the time. Also, Hank selected the golf course, which was very, very suited.
You just said, hey, do you want to play this course? Shout out Dan Earl. He played it.
Yes. So yeah, Hank had a course of his choosing.
It was a home field advantage for him and we tied. Every Sunday we come in to watch football and Hank bets some crazy hungry dog parlay and watches one quarter and sees his team suck and then just goes to the simulator.
I can't express how bad my gambling has been this year. Like losing.
And you used to be good. Yeah, I used to have fun and now it's like I'm...
The season's over. I keep being like, well maybe I'll have a good week and get back into it.
Yeah. And then I don't.
And then it just gets worse. You should just ride.
You should just ride the Gremlin over three and a half field goal bet. It's the only bet that's kept me afloat the last like three years.
I need like a 15 legger. Okay.
See, that's your problem. Like this is a moneymaker.
I don't know why more people don't bet it. It makes money for me.
I suck at gambling besides that, and that's really me. You should have just bet the Niners against the Eagles like I did.
I bet the Eagles. Hungry dog.
Oh, no. Big Cat, PFT, Honk, Loser, Max, Jake, and Memes.
What is one game or sports moment that happened before the PMT was founded that you wish you guys could have reacted or covered on the pod? Also, I ride with Hank. Yes.
Burn believer in the lighthouse. Malice at the palace is the answer.
It would have been incredible. Malice at the palace is the answer.
Yeah. Because it also would be like, we can't pick like specific to our own teams because then it's, you know, like something that is like a national that that in Manti Tao would have been awesome.
It would have been crazy. Manti Teo, Tiger Woods would have been awesome.
Yeah, the Thanksgiving. Yes.
That would have been incredible. And the text that got leaked afterwards.
Yes. Oh, yeah.
Yes. We would have done dramatic readings of those.
But I think Malice in the Palace, if we had recorded right after Malice in the Palace, it would have been incredible. Cubs guy.
You're talking about Bartman. Steve Bartman.
Yeah, no, I'm saying that like taking out specific things to reach ourselves.

But aside from you, just like in general. Oh, yeah, that would be, yes.

Like a show thing, that would have been crazy.

Yes, yes.

Villanova, buzzer beater.

Yeah, I mean that.

We were doing the pod then.

Yeah, that was like a month in.

It was 2016.

April of 2016.

Yeah.

There's some good ones, though. Malice at the palace would have been just all time all time so many fun

lindsay would have been fun we would have we would have we would have thought lindsay would

have lasted forever we would have been very wrong about lebron's first title would have been tough

you guys oh i wouldn't have potted i would have loved that i wouldn't have potted you mean duane Wade's first title? Yeah.

Well, I was going to say.

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Second title? Second title? Second title?? Yeah. Second title? Second title? Alright, Hank.
What else? 18-1 for Hank would have been, oh my god. Oh, that would have been the best.
Oh my god. Oh man.
Oh my god. Oh my god.
I don't know. I mean, what about Aaron Boone? No, what about fucking Eagles Patriots first Super Bowl would have been great that would have been awesome too yeah or even the second one because Max wasn't on the show yet that might be the answer and the Philly special you would have been so mad at Max holy fuck I think that might be the number one answer alright last one big fan appreciate all the content you guys bring us AWLs I would love to insane.
Holy fuck. I think that might be the number one answer.
All right, last one. Big fan.
Appreciate all the content you guys bring us, AWLs. I would love to know the most holy shit moment when the podcast was first starting.
Do you realize this is bigger than we ever thought it could be? Whether it was guests you were able to get on or even a single notable person that told you they're a listener. Whatever it is, thanks again for all you guys do.
PFT rooting for you and surviving Barstool. If you come at the king, you best not miss.
Yeah, we're all rooting for PFT at this point. It was fun.
It was fun. Actually, so I don't know what the first holy shit moment.
I always go back to like Joe Buck or Scott Van Pelt. I think going to Bristol and getting to interview Scott Van Pelt because we obviously were friends with him, but like that was a big one.
I have them all the time though, so I can tell this story now. When we did Surviving Barstool, everyone go buy it.
Not really a spoiler. I was eliminated in four hours.
So I went to stay at a hotel all week. And at the hotel, the Celtics were staying at the hotel.
And I was in an elevator with Derek White. And I felt like such a loser because I was like, I recognize him.
And I was I was like yeah like oh you guys got a game and it's like yeah I was like yeah I have a podcast and uh my producer's like a huge Celtics fan and he was just like yeah I listen to your podcast all the time I was like fuck yeah dude that's very that's fucking awesome so he's gonna come on the show but those moments like whenever whenever an athlete says they listen it still kind of blows me away for me it was uh first super bowl that we covered that was in houston right houston super bowl um at the barstool party guy fieri was there yeah guy fieri was like hey man i love part of my take and i was like that is that's pretty that is pretty cool that's pretty fucking like i can just die right now god guy knows who i am yeah what about you hank i have them all the time i mean any athlete like it's different for you guys because you're the host but any athlete that recognizes me or like you know i go to introduce myself like oh what's up hank and i'm just like that's the thing yeah like when an athlete knows us it doesn't go away that part does not go away where i'm still like what the fuck especially now with the some of the like even like the will levises of the world who are like they've been listening since they were in high school oh will levice told us when we went to we went to dinner with him uh in kentucky during the breeders cup it was like me dave jerry elio and he was like yeah i was playing guess that ass when i was like 13 yeah so the i was like cool the people that have kind of come up even like because like because jared was was was a fan of barcel when the podcast first first started which was kind of crazy because he just got draft number one and was hitting you up being like, come out and stuff. Yeah, come party.
Yeah. Fuck, you just got drafted number one and you want to hang out with us.
He's been in the NFL for eight years. Yeah.
But he was more just a fan of Barstow, but there's now people that are fans of the podcast that are coming up and pros and stuff. And it's like, holy shit, we've been doing this for a while.
It is one of those things that I'm happy that we haven't gotten jaded in this respect because it really does like it still does it still is the coolest thing ever whenever like uh someone who plays sports or manages or whatever coaches is like oh hey i'm a fan of you i'm like really for me it was this is fucking cool crazy people listen i always i still tell my i just assume people don't listen yeah i know right it's the weirdest thing it'll fuck with your head right some of the spotify rap numbers and stuff you see yeah i'm like oh fuck people like to hang with us and it's i mean awesome when we saw when we saw our golf head cover on charlie woods's bag that was a big moment for me yeah that was like but it's good though because it really would suck if we got to a point where we're like if like an athlete like if derrick white was like yeah i listen i be like of course he does like that would suck yeah I mean like can I get a picture uh it'd be like time to hang it up like you can't get excited about this like I was legitimately excited I told you right away it's like I saw Derek White he listens which is crazy Derek White another holy shit moment that might have been Blake first couple months of Blake was a uh the podcast that we had with Marlins Man and Foul Ball Guy. Getting both those guys on the show at the same time.
Yeah. I mean, I knew we had something special.
Marlins Man texted me. Let's see.
Oh, here we go. I was going to read a phone call the day after.
Still the funniest. Marlins Man texted me.
This is pretty. You got to listen to this.
And he was like, he was saying he was going to sue me. This is threatening me.
Also, when I hung out with Marlon's man and he took me up to like his condo in Miami and then pointed out at all the different properties that he owned along the beach. Yeah.
And I didn't know if I was going to leave that hotel room or not. Yeah.
For about like 15 minutes. That's cool.
That was pretty cool. Marlon's been texting me.
This is pretty

breaking news. We can cut this if

we don't want to put it in, Max

and memes. Marlon's been texting me.

Although Dolphins 9-3,

all three losses against teams with winning records

and I think all nine wins against teams

with losing or 500 records, FYI.

Okay. Yeah.

We should cut that. Pretty big stat.
We should cut that.

We should probably cut that. I don't know if anyone else knows that i like getting that random text from marlin's pretty sure that was a graphic on the tv when they were playing on sunday it was that weird one where mike mcdaniel was like jumping over like hurdles don't the cowboys have a pretty similar stat yeah yeah they need to they need to beat someone i mean they beat the seahawks yeah uh okay good show boys tune into the the 24-hour stream starting at nine o'clock central central you sure you don't want to go to eight part of my take youtube we go eight and twitch let's go eight no max saying no okay nine o'clock uh okay numbers i got this three 18 71 Want to switch spots if I get this? Pug 27.
8. PFT.
I got this. 3.
71.

Want to switch spots if I get this?

Pug 27.

8.

PFT, did you hear what he said?

We'll split 12 hours.

All right.

And I'll match.

No, I'll do 12.

I'll do 12.

No, it's just for Hank.

What the fuck?

27, you said?

If Hank gets it, PFT and I will both do 12 hours and Hank is out.

17.

Wow.

Come on.

Actually, 40, 40, 40, 40. Oh, no.
I'm going to take 17. Yeah.
I have 71. And what if you guys get it? Shut up, Jake.
It has to be. Shut the fuck up.
No, it doesn't. It's got to be fair.
Shut up. 43.
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