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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take, we've got football. Week 10 in the NFL.
Some incredible games, incredible witching hour, some teams being officially back. It was a great Sunday.

Speaker 1 It was a great Sunday, except for the first game, the international game. Everything else rocked.
And we're going to get to all the games, talk about everything that happened on Sunday.

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Speaker 1 It is Monday, November 13th,

Speaker 1 week

Speaker 1 10.

Speaker 1 Some spread. Tick tick

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Speaker 1 Raiders are losing. We start in Cincinnati, where Trent Steve Irwin was trying to put a barb right in the heart of the Texans' playoff chances.

Speaker 1 But luggage boy D'Amico Trent Ryan had other plans when he packed a dub. The game went back and forth when Jar Jar Chase said, Misa catch a touchdown.
Misa always open.

Speaker 1 But they left too much time on the clock for the Stroud boys as he found Noah brown-eyed woman wearing red and looking clean. As Matt Samandela kicked one upstream to seal the win.
Texans 30.

Speaker 1 Bengals 27, huh? Huh?

Speaker 1 Texans? Sticking in the AFC North, we head to Baltimore, where Kyle honey-baked Hamilton caught a sweet spiral from Deshaun Watson's sticky hands to start the scoring.

Speaker 1 It was all Ravens to start, but they're not ending this show at Jerome Ford Theater early as LeMary Todd Lincoln Jackson was left crying at the end of the plays.

Speaker 1 Greg, knew some things are bigger than sports, returned to pick six, and Dustin Tucker Hopkins showed the Ravens there is more than one guy that could kick a game winner as the Browns stun the

Speaker 1 Ravens. 33-31.
We head west to Pittsburgh where the Steelers and Packers met.

Speaker 1 Jalen Warren Peace was booking it to the tune of 101 yards and a score, and Najee Scott Harris avoided any awkward encounters by handshaking tacklers all day.

Speaker 1 With a last gasp, the Packers fell short as Kean O'Neal for the Anthem said, I'm calling game with a big pick.

Speaker 1 And like a robbery seen on a Ness doorbell camera, the Steelers walked all over Dormat LaFleur and easily took the pack. Steelers 23, Packers 19.

Speaker 1 Coming to Jacksonville, where just like Mark Twain, the reports of the Unfortunateers' death have been greatly exaggerated as Debo Samuel Clemens painted the Jaguars' defense white.

Speaker 1 Trevor 4 Rince had his ball sailing all over the course, adding to some wildly inaccurate drives.

Speaker 1 Christian McCaffrey becomes the second player in NFL history to go on a one-game scoreless streak after scoring in his previous 17 games. The 49ers 34.
The Jacksonville Jaguars 3.

Speaker 1 We head to Germany where we have our special beat reporter, Henry Lockwood, on the case. Hank over to Deutschland.

Speaker 6 Chad Ryland or by C started off the scoring early with an early field goal before Jonathan Taylor Swift said Karma is a goal line touchdown on fourth and one giving the Colts a resounding seven to three lead on his first attempt Matthew Marvin Gay and Chardonnay's kick got told to talk to the talk to the talk to the hand

Speaker 6 But unfortunately, the Patriots offense didn't capitalize or do anything remotely exciting all day.

Speaker 6 In the fourth quarter, Quack Jones threw an absolute duck of an interception at the one-yard line, landing him on the bench. And Bailey Frappy in the game at QB.

Speaker 6 Unfortunately, he couldn't shake the defense with his fake spike and threw an interception to seal the game. Colts goal marching 10-6.

Speaker 1 Down to Dallas, where Tommy DeVito took the stage and said, hey, I'm trying to throw an interception here.

Speaker 5 Watch where you're playing defense.

Speaker 1 As the Giants were subject to anti-Italian discrimination,

Speaker 1 aka Arico case, as famous Italian-American Mike Tarico Daudle ran all over the Giants defense.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys looked like they were feasting on Easter dinner as they broke out the old Cooks Lambs playbook as CeeDee and Brandon both scored.

Speaker 1 Some are asking if Brian Dable is about to be swimming with the seven fishes come Christmastime. Oh, oh, oh, my good friend Brian Dable.
Oh, Mike, get his ass. Trouble.
Get his ass fired.

Speaker 1 He's like, Jeff, the Dew, you got to take down that video. What? Cowboys, 49.
Giants, 70.

Speaker 1 Out west to LA, where Jameer Cribs took a tour of the Chargers' home and showed everyone where the magic happens in the end zone twice.

Speaker 1 A Big 12 game broke out between these two teams as the Lions, born and raised in South Detroit, said, we don't stop. The Keenan, as Allen made two journeys to the end zone, John C.

Speaker 1 Riley-Patterson got his dick wet with a game winner, and that's what I call a Dewey Cox. But oh, shh! Lions 41, Chargers, 38.

Speaker 1 Out in Washington, where Washington was playing Washington. Huh? Huh? Huh?

Speaker 1 Don't shake your fucking head, Max. There was an unsolvable mystery for the Commanders' defense.
Who the hell is Zach Charbonnet Ramsey?

Speaker 1 It was a rock show, as Stephen Tyler Lockett and Gino Arrowsmith said, Can you Kenneth Walker this way?

Speaker 1 As the Seahawks found their offensive rhythm in the second half, the Commanders almost stole it late when welcome to Diami Benvenito Adiyami Brown scored to tie the game, but Washington got smacked in the face like they were hosting the Oscars as Jason Myers kicked the game winner.

Speaker 1 Seahawks 29, the Commanders 26.

Speaker 1 Standing on a corner, Jameis Winston down in Nola. Such a fine sight to see.

Speaker 1 It's Jameis Winston. He got the doggy in two touchdowns and two INTs.

Speaker 1 Come on, dog.

Speaker 1 You're gonna make a sum.

Speaker 1 At the very least, you deserve a starting job.

Speaker 1 Saints don't go marching. Vikings 27.
Saints 19.

Speaker 1 And that is the fastest two minutes. Week 10.

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Speaker 1 Okay, week 10 in the books. We're watching Jets, Raiders.

Speaker 1 It's disgusting. It's football.
It's disgusting. PFT, we have to say when things are disgusting.

Speaker 5 It is gross.

Speaker 1 We're still watching it, but it is disgusting.

Speaker 5 He almost scored two touchdowns, actually. Zach Wilson had a touchdown run that was called back because he stepped out of bounds on the two.

Speaker 5 He did a Zach Prescott and went out of bounds early. And then Brees Hall scored a touchdown, which was taken back by a flag on the one-yard line.

Speaker 5 The end zone has been breached twice, but neither one of which counted.

Speaker 1 Neither counted. And I bring up that we're watching it right now to set the stage because memes will maybe chime in.

Speaker 1 He basically the entire night has been screaming, yes, no, not again, with every good Jets play that then comes back with a penalty.

Speaker 1 But I wanted to start by mentioning this game because we're going to get into every game from week 10. And I don't think even if this game ends 9-6,

Speaker 1 it will be as bad as the first game we're going to talk about, Colts 10, Patriots 6.

Speaker 5 Oh, without a doubt.

Speaker 1 It was,

Speaker 1 thankfully, the international experience is over, I believe, for this year. We're done.
No more international games, I believe. Well, we saw

Speaker 5 two really bad. Which game do you think was worse in terms of exporting American football as a product? The Colts Patriots game or Uganda losing 0-14 against Kenya?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. We had a couple ringers there on the Uganda team.

Speaker 5 I guess they could be ringers. Yeah, the ringers.

Speaker 1 Hank. Yes.
You're not making eye contact. Hey.

Speaker 1 He's wearing sunglasses.

Speaker 6 Colts 10.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up, Hank. All right, that's a good way to start.
Colts 10 Patriots.

Speaker 5 No, no, like Hank's already off to a bad start because he came in firing. What? Hank, you need to stop deflecting because you always deflect when it comes to your patriots.
I don't.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 even for a team that is very much tanking and bad, this felt like a new low.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, it was disgusting.

Speaker 6 It wasn't even the, well, it was before the interception in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Which maybe was one of the worst interceptions I've ever seen thrown in my life.

Speaker 5 I think it was the worst. Yeah.
Mac Jones had a guy in the end zone and he underthrew him by about 12 yards.

Speaker 1 And he like went on his back heel when he didn't even need to.

Speaker 5 And when I say he underthrew him by 12 yards, I believe he attempted the pass from like the 10 yard line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the, the, the, his, I think it was Goseki he was trying to hit was like falling down in the end zone and the ball like got intercepted at the five.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was pretty bad.

Speaker 6 Prior to that,

Speaker 6 I forget what the exact situation was, but it was a third down, maybe like a third and two or something. They didn't convert.

Speaker 6 It was another incompletion, and they showed the incompletion, immediately cut to Robert Kraft, who just did straight up just went, ducked his head and just looked down like he was depressed.

Speaker 6 Like he just, it went incompletion. And then it's Robert Kraft being like, fuck this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It was a sigh.

Speaker 6 It was, it was, it was as bad as it gets.

Speaker 1 You had, you also had Bill O'Brien like bitching out Mac Jones.

Speaker 1 Like he was like a teenager who had done something very, very bad.

Speaker 1 You had Mac Jones with his cry face.

Speaker 1 They kept on showing him after he'd thrown that interception looking like he was in the most pain he's ever been in except for that time that he twisted his ankle and looked like he got shot.

Speaker 1 And the DUI. Yeah, in the DUI.

Speaker 1 Mac Jones is horrifically, horrifically bad at quarterbacking in the NFL.

Speaker 6 Not the guy.

Speaker 1 Especially

Speaker 1 Hank, what if we've done it?

Speaker 5 What if he had better coaching? That interception might have been on the coaching.

Speaker 1 What if he had better offensive line? No. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 5 There was also a moment that you didn't mention, Hank, after the game where Belichick just buried his face into his hands. Like, he was embarrassed to be there.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 He was, I don't know if he's embarrassed of his team, if he's embarrassed of himself, if he's just closing his eyes and picturing himself in Landover, Maryland.

Speaker 5 I don't know what he was doing, but he looked deeply upset after that loss. And what I've never seen from Bill.

Speaker 1 Because it should have been a win.

Speaker 6 It was an ugly game. It was disgusting to watch.
I woke up early, and the whole time I was thinking, like, I would love to just go back to sleep. Like,

Speaker 6 I knew I could go to sleep and wake up and not much would have changed.

Speaker 1 It was, yeah. But

Speaker 6 I stayed up. I watched the whole thing.
It was so boring. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Ezekiel Elliott looked not bad.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he was actually running the ball well.

Speaker 1 You're Mondre as well.

Speaker 1 And the Colts, by the way, the Colts, Shane Steichen is a good coach.

Speaker 1 They're five and five.

Speaker 6 Garden Minshew made some made some good throws.

Speaker 6 It was the drive immediately after the craft. ducking his head and just depression.
Garden Minshew scrambled, had a good third-down conversion.

Speaker 6 He looked, it was like, like, oh, I wish we had that guy on our team and he's a backup.

Speaker 1 Here's how bad this game was. The highlight of the game was when they showed the time-lapse of the roof collapsing into the scoreboard, which is very cool.
It was sick. Very, very cool.

Speaker 1 But that was the highlight of the entire football experience in Germany today.

Speaker 6 But even with all that being said, it was fourth quarter. The Patriots had a wide open look for a touchdown to go up in the fourth quarter, which is all you can ask for as a coach.

Speaker 6 That's probably why he was ducking his head because it's like

Speaker 1 they should have won the game. Yeah.
Despite all that.

Speaker 5 I'm going to push back on you, Big Cat. That was a great time-lapse montage that we saw for sure.

Speaker 5 I don't want to take anything away from the roof, but as somebody that enjoys Patriots' failures, given how much they've won, and I think Patriots fans are even like, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 5 Like we've had, we had a really nice run, so I don't feel bad saying this about it. But watching the Mac Jones interception, I laughed so much.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, his face after.

Speaker 5 And then when Bailey Zappi did the fake spike interception, I laughed very hard again. He was in his bag.

Speaker 1 Yes. He was in his bag.

Speaker 5 He was in his bag. Because it's like...

Speaker 6 That's the greatest play in sports. Yeah.
Like, you have to go for that. I will never, you know, it didn't work out well.

Speaker 1 It's Dan Marino.

Speaker 6 You got to go for it.

Speaker 6 That's like when you see the fake spike, like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 They got everyone.

Speaker 6 He throws it like it's got to be wide open.

Speaker 1 And then it was like four cold players just waiting for the ball to come to him.

Speaker 5 It was very, very funny. And

Speaker 1 I...

Speaker 5 I think that Gardner Minshew, this was like a peak Gardner Minshew game where he was jumping around the pocket, making like one-footed throws, jumping it through the air, and just doing crazy shit that happened to work out.

Speaker 5 And when that happens with Gardner, he's one of the most fun quarterbacks to watch when it's working for him.

Speaker 5 Granted, it only worked like it's not like the Colts lit it up on offense or anything, but there were a couple key drives where he played well.

Speaker 5 I feel optimistic about the Colts as a whole because

Speaker 5 they've got a decent roster when Anthony Richardson gets back. And

Speaker 5 he appears to be a pretty good head coach. So, yeah, it's a good sign for the Colts that you didn't lose this game.
If you're a Patriots fan, is this rock bottom?

Speaker 1 Has to be.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 it is.

Speaker 6 I don't know that you can really, like...

Speaker 5 Do you know how to avoid rock bottom?

Speaker 1 Like, there's like some...

Speaker 6 We're being held up. I know everyone's...

Speaker 5 There's like a blinking light that tells you, watch out. If you hit this, it's going to be rock bottom.

Speaker 6 But it's like

Speaker 6 we're always going to be held up by the six Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't really...

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But this is rock bottom in the post-Super Bowl era.

Speaker 6 For sure.

Speaker 1 Well, actually, it could get lower. I can't.

Speaker 1 No, you could keep playing Mac Jones.

Speaker 6 Is there a worse, like if you're Mac Jones, there's no situation worse than getting benched with zero timeouts. Like, they could have just let him do the last drive.

Speaker 6 They easily could have, but the interception was that bad. He got benched.
The Patriots had a chance to, you know, drive down the field with no timeouts and win.

Speaker 6 They put in Bailey Zappi, cold, no, no warm-ups, no reps. Like, put him in, basically being like, fuck you, Mac Jones.

Speaker 6 And then you have to take the longest plane ride you're probably going to to take. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It doesn't get worse.

Speaker 1 You have to overdose on Ambient on the way back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have a couple spin zones for you, though, Hank. Okay, you ready for these? Sure.
Okay. One is I'm pretty sure the Patriots have a bye next week.
Oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 Now, you are not used to this feeling, but

Speaker 1 when you root for a very bad team, the bye week is the greatest reprieve you can possibly have because you can sit and watch football and not be tortured for a Sunday.

Speaker 1 Even the Bears playing on Thursday was a reprieve for me where I was like, I woke up and I was was like, I don't have to watch the Bears today. This is nice.
This is awesome.

Speaker 1 Spin zone number two. I was thinking about this after the Mac Jones interception, which was maybe the funniest.
We should actually remind,

Speaker 1 remind us, Max or memes. Jake is on a flight on the way back, so he's not here right now.

Speaker 1 For Takey of the Year, he should be worst interception of the year.

Speaker 5 Let's just give it.

Speaker 5 It was Carson Wentz adjacent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was so, so bad. But here's the spin zone.
It's hard to follow Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 It's not hard to follow Mac Jones. So you've had a nice buffer.
He's the guy after Tom Brady. Then the next guy can be like, well,

Speaker 1 I'm following Mac Jones. I'm not following Tom Brady.

Speaker 5 It's a very low bar.

Speaker 1 That is, that's actually pretty nice for the next guy. Yeah, I like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 If you're thinking about who the next coach of your team is going to be, who would you want?

Speaker 6 That depresses me. I did.
I actually had a similar thought to the Mac Jones. It's like, no one, it's impossible to follow Tom Brady like that.
That went through my mind. And in the anals of history,

Speaker 6 it's going to get Mac Jones, will be forgotten about.

Speaker 6 But the Belichick,

Speaker 6 Belichick leaving is going to depress me.

Speaker 1 Especially when he goes to the Commanders.

Speaker 6 It's just, it will truly be the end of, you know, and obviously I'm 30, so my childhood's long gone, but it will be the end of

Speaker 6 all my Boston sports

Speaker 6 heroes, Ortiz, Chara, Bergeron,

Speaker 6 Kevin Garnett, Brady, Edelman, like they're all gone.

Speaker 6 But they were, in terms of like, Chara was there my whole childhood. He was just always on the Bruins.
Like, he was always the Bruins captain. Ortiz the same.
Brady the same. Paul Pierce the same.

Speaker 6 Belichick being gone will be the end of, truly the last end of an era, and I just don't want it to happen.

Speaker 5 This would really complete the big three for DC Sports stealing washed up former Boston athletes and coaches because we got Chara for like a season. We rented him.

Speaker 5 We got Paul Pierce at the end of his career and Belichick.

Speaker 1 Is there a chance it happens tomorrow?

Speaker 1 According to

Speaker 6 these fan fiction rumors, Boston Globe.

Speaker 1 It is the bye week.

Speaker 5 What did they say in the Globe?

Speaker 1 You reported, you told me.

Speaker 5 Oh, last week. Is there anything new?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Okay, so... Terrible.
Yeah, yes, there's a chance. I actually, I didn't even, I watched the last like five minutes of the game because I was like, I made the calculation in my head.

Speaker 1 I'm going to follow this on Gamecast, see how it goes, spend some time with my kids and i i've never been happier that i made that decision because that was one of those games if i have on it's a tough explanation for why that game is on at 8 30 in the morning yeah i just kept live betting i live bet the patriots like three times i was so oh no

Speaker 1 oh no

Speaker 5 and they almost won it uh yeah they won an all-time ricochet shot i'm not even really a ricochet shot but memes put up a picture of adam gase it says bill belichick with that hall of fame qb now um you might remember adam gase from coaching the jets really poorly, but Memes chose to use a version of him where he's the Dolphins coach, where he actually wasn't that bad.

Speaker 1 He went to the playoffs.

Speaker 5 He went to the playoffs, yeah. I think he was seven and nine in his worst season there.

Speaker 1 Memes said that was the first picture he could find. Yeah, I believe it.
A man who lives on the internet couldn't find past picture number one when he searched Adam Gace.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I mean, Hank, congrats on all your success in the past. You've had like an incredible run as a sports town.

Speaker 1 Also, if you search right now Adam Gase images, Celtics.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, you have.

Speaker 5 There's no questioning that Boston has been title town for the last 20 years. And if the Celtics stay healthy, it's going to happen again.

Speaker 1 Guarantee?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 6 If their starting lineup is

Speaker 6 in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Their starting lineup.

Speaker 5 That's a guarantee.

Speaker 6 Porzing is Drew Holiday.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Maxie dropped a 50 burger today. Who cares?

Speaker 5 I'd also like to reverse my stance on Tyrese Maxi. Max, you're not trying to make Fetch happen.
Tyrese Maxie.

Speaker 1 He's very, very good.

Speaker 1 Memes is making a sack sound right now. I just looked up Adam Gace on the internet and clicked images, and the first six images are all Jets, Adam Gase.
So Memes is a liar.

Speaker 1 Nice try. What about mobile?

Speaker 5 Mobile? We didn't check mobile.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me find, let me look at mobile.

Speaker 1 Adam Gace, mobile. Either way, the Colts deserve a lot of credit.

Speaker 1 Shane Steichen, like, if you went in this season and you said the Colts, already not a great roster, if you're going to lose Anthony Richard and you're going to be five and five heading into your bye week, that's incredible.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and also, this was the first time in four years that Gardner Minshew won back-to-back games. Yeah.
So credit to Gardner. It's hot.
Make us a place.

Speaker 5 You know what? Watching him today, he made me want to buy an El Camino again.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think I might, if the Colts have a winning record, I will buy an El Camino.

Speaker 1 You might have to do it.

Speaker 1 I just checked mobile, and yes, again, it was all Jets. So memes is a liar.
liar. Nope, it was the Dolphins.
I got out of the shower, press in, hopped in my car. You were nude?

Speaker 5 Wait, wait, were you naked when you sent that tweet? Well, the game ended once I got out of the shower.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, so I guess it was. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 I also was going to go take a walk. I was like, fuck this game.
I'm going to take a walk. It's over.
And then I put on clothes and saw the Bailey Zappy thing.

Speaker 6 I was like, I got to, I got to watch this out.

Speaker 1 You're going to watch the Bailey Zappy do a fake spike. So I didn't even get any frustration.
Mac Jones getting yelled at. That was the.

Speaker 1 There was so much anger behind Bill O'Brien's face, his voice. I couldn't hear his voice, but you could feel it.

Speaker 1 The frustration with Mac Jones as a human being. Like, I think he hates him as a human being.
I think it's that level.

Speaker 6 There's a lot of, there's a lot of, even the, the, you know, the, the bell check, although those, those are videos from the summer or whatever, but it just feels like the coaching staff is on some like, fuck it, we're on the way out.

Speaker 6 Who cares? Yeah. Like, let them hear it.
Yeah, I'm not going to, we're not coaching him for the season.

Speaker 5 Like, I just hate you. We're not building anything.

Speaker 1 Oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's none of this is gonna be here next year.

Speaker 5 So, Hank, you kind of dodged the question, though. And I understand, like, yeah, losing your heroes, they're no longer around.
That's tough. I feel for you on that one.

Speaker 5 But the question was: have you thought about who you'd want next as a head coach? No, you haven't given that any thoughts. Zero.
Vrabel.

Speaker 6 John Fox. I would love Vrabel.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, they brought him back. They brought him back to Fox.

Speaker 1 Mark Tressman.

Speaker 1 No. Okay.
Sean.

Speaker 5 Thought about it. Sean McVay.

Speaker 1 Jules would be cool. Jules.

Speaker 5 Okay. Head coach.

Speaker 1 Why not? Why not? Jeff Saturday. Randy Moss.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Steve Belichick.

Speaker 6 Steve Belichick. Abel.

Speaker 1 Adam Finatari.

Speaker 6 Vince Wilfork.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Winners. A lot of names.
A lot of names. Patriot Way.
Okay. Next game.
Now we're into some good games. There were some great games today.
We're starting to get like

Speaker 1 some of these games are going to have big-time playoff implications when we get to it later in the season. But Texans 30, Bengals 27, C.J.
Stroud, unbelievable. Now,

Speaker 1 he had a terrible pick at the end of the game that let the Bengals get back in the game.

Speaker 1 But the way he was throwing the ball all day, the way he drove him down the field for the game-winning field goal, if the playoffs started today, the Houston Texans would be the seventh seed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the Bengals and Bills would be outside looking it.

Speaker 5 And I think we can say now there's enough evidence the Texans are just good. Yeah.
Just good. And C.J.
Stroud is elite. He's a great quarterback.

Speaker 5 He's the lead league in yards per game and total yards.

Speaker 5 And also, people forget his name, CJ. We don't know what the J stands for.
It's Coleridge Bernard Stroud IV.

Speaker 5 There's no J in C.J.

Speaker 1 It's like Homer J. Simpson?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's no J. Simpson.
Yeah. He's Coleridge Bernard Stroud IV.

Speaker 1 The way he looks in the pocket, he's so comfortable.

Speaker 1 And like, we were talking about it with the commanders when when you the feeling of watching a quarterback throw it downfield and be like, good things are about to happen.

Speaker 1 That's every time CJ Stroud throws it downfield, you're like, he's got a plan. He's going to hit someone.
It's going to be a big gain. Like, that's the best feeling in the world.

Speaker 5 He just plays with such confidence. It's crazy for a rookie to be playing like that.
And the ball looks so good coming out of the ball.

Speaker 1 The ball looks good.

Speaker 5 I want to get the pitch tracker on there, see what the RPMs are because he feels like he has the fastest spiral.

Speaker 1 And he has like, he's been doing

Speaker 1 where he's not even stepping and throwing. He's just throwing flat-footed and just throwing like absolute dimes down the field.
So

Speaker 1 it was the perfect ending for the Texans because you had C.J. Stroud make a mistake that he shouldn't have made in that last interception when he was trying to throw it to Tank Dell.

Speaker 1 It'd be like, oh, no, here it comes. Rookie Bengals, Joe Burrow.
They win these games. And then he was able to take him down the field.

Speaker 1 And for the Bengals, this is a pretty big loss because this is why you don't start slow. You can't really.

Speaker 5 They don't really have any room for error. Right.

Speaker 1 The Bengals started slow last year. Then they won, what, like 12 games in a row.
So it erased it.

Speaker 1 Losing a game to the Texans at home when you were basically a Tyler Boyd drop away from winning this game has to hurt a lot. And Joe Burrow, like the first drive, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 And then for the middle quarters, this is what's happened with the Bengals.

Speaker 1 The two things that make me nervous about the Bengals, because I still obviously think they're a very good team, their defense got gashed today, and their defense has been not as elite as it has been in

Speaker 1 the Super Bowl run or when they went to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Their secondary has some problems, and then their offense goes into like weird tank mode for stretches where it's like they'll either get an awesome drive where everything looks perfect, or it will be a flurry of three and outs in a row, and you're like, what's going on here?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and they have zero margin for error. They're going to the Ravens, Steelers at the Jaguars, Colts, Vikings at the Steelers, at the Chiefs, and the the Browns.

Speaker 5 So that's probably, I don't know what the saber metrics on that are. I imagine that's probably the most difficult schedule from here to the end of the season that the Bengals have to go through.

Speaker 5 Not easy. So they gave themselves no room for error.
No one whatsoever. They needed this one big time.

Speaker 5 I think they'll still figure it out because they do have the talent and their defense usually is good enough to keep them in any game. And I don't think there's anything wrong with Joe.

Speaker 5 I don't think there's anything like super wrong with the offense. They're just too streaky right now.

Speaker 5 But they're

Speaker 5 they put themselves in bad shape.

Speaker 1 It's their defense can't just so they can't solely win games with their defense. Like today, C.J.
Stroud had, they had 544 total yards on the Bengals defense. Like they gashed the Bengals defense.

Speaker 5 And credit to D'Amico Ryans. Damico Ryans now has the highest winning percentage and the fourth most wins all time in Texans history.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 With five.

Speaker 5 That's crazy. I'm going to say that again.
The fourth most wins all time in Texans history with five wins. That's huge.
And Dom Capers is only 13 away, even though he coached there for like years.

Speaker 5 Also, Stroud Boy's shirts are live in the Barcelona store. Check it out.

Speaker 1 We should make it another shirt, too, for C.J. Stroud, because now that he has proven that he is the real deal, people are saying maybe MVP race.

Speaker 1 His quote, I'm not a test taker, I play football, is an all-time quote because that's one of those quotes that if you aren't good, that will backfire. in your face so poorly.

Speaker 1 Like it will just be like, everyone will tweet it at you. I'm not a test taker, I play football.
Well, you don't play football well.

Speaker 1 Now that quote looks awesome because he's just like, I don't, it's kind of the Cardell Jones.

Speaker 5 I was going to say it's an upgraded version. The Cardell was like JV version of,

Speaker 1 I'm not here to play school.

Speaker 5 I don't come here to play school.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Also, I was doing some research on Bobby Sloick because I'm starting to look into coaches for next year, next season, potentially on the Commanders.

Speaker 5 Slowick is going to get. a bunch of interviews, I think, this offseason because he's a great offensive coordinator.

Speaker 5 And I just want him on the Commanders so that they can't use him as AMO to be like, here's another former coach that's now really good somewhere.

Speaker 5 He went to Michigan Tech, which I didn't realize was a school until this morning. Hockey school.
Hockey school, up as far north in Michigan as you can get.

Speaker 1 He's a good offensive coordinator. He's become a lot better because C.J.
Stroud was like, let me throw the ball.

Speaker 1 Because he started the season with a lot of,

Speaker 1 every single drive, we're running on first down, no matter what. And now C.J.
Stroud. So I...
I'd like to see a little more out of him just because I feel like C.J.

Speaker 1 Stroud almost forced his hand being like, yo, dude, I'm really good. Let me throw the ball.

Speaker 5 But the bar is so low, they have so many weapons.

Speaker 5 The bar is so low that if you just have an offensive coordinator that has the presence of mind to be like, I've got a really good young quarterback, let's work with his strengths and let's change our offense to suit what's going on with him.

Speaker 1 My point is, it was C.J. Stroud actually kind of said it to him.
Good. He said it in a press conference.
He's like, dude, let me throw.

Speaker 5 But a lot of guys wouldn't listen. Yeah.
And at least he listened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they have so many. I mean, Noah Brown has been incredible.
Noah Brown's got back-to-back 150-plus-yard games. Tank Dell's awesome.
I respect running the ball.

Speaker 5 I respect Noah Brown because he's got so much confidence in himself.

Speaker 5 He was a college guy that didn't really play well in college. And after two seasons, he was like, you know what? Fuck it.
I'm just going to go to the draft.

Speaker 1 Did he was on the Cowboys, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he was, I think, a seventh-round pick, and he was projected to be like a seventh-round pick. But he was like, fuck this.
I don't want to stay at school anymore. I want to go to the NFL.

Speaker 5 I think Ezekiel Elliott campaigned for the Cowboys to draft him.

Speaker 1 Should have kept him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the Texans might go to the playoffs. Oh, Zach Wilson just fumbled.
What happened there, memes?

Speaker 5 I hope we get no touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we might have no touchdowns. 9-9.

Speaker 1 I think the Texans might go to the playoffs.

Speaker 5 I think they might, too. We looked at their schedule.

Speaker 5 The schedule is four weeks ago.

Speaker 1 I counted it. 10 wins is very doable because they have games against the Cardinals, Broncos, Titans,

Speaker 1 twice. Colts, Jets.

Speaker 1 Those are winnable games. They already beat the Jags.
They could beat the Jags again.

Speaker 5 How did they lose to the Panthers?

Speaker 1 I don't know. That one was

Speaker 1 a mystery. Yeah, that one is a mystery.
I think Frank Reich is undefeated after the bye. Coming off a buy.
Oh, okay. He doesn't lose off a bye.

Speaker 5 All right, makes sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is. That makes perfect sense.

Speaker 5 Frank Reich after a bye.

Speaker 1 Sometimes football is that easy.

Speaker 5 Death taxes Frank Reich after a bye week.

Speaker 1 Why were you, memes, Zach Wilson just dropped back on his own 10-yard line and threw the ball 50 yards, and memes put his hands up like it was going to be a completion.

Speaker 1 It's the opposite of what we're saying with C.J. Stroud.
When Zach Wilson throws the ball downfield, only bad things can happen.

Speaker 5 Well, maybe an interception there would have been good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a little arm punt for you.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it looked good.

Speaker 5 That is the best moment you can reach, though, as a fan. When your quarterback changes, when he crosses over, into being like, oh, shit, he's passing the ball.
That sucks. What's going to happen?

Speaker 5 Was it?

Speaker 5 Into, yes, he's passing the ball. This rocks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is going to be a completion. Who's open streaking down the field right now that's going to hit in perfect stride? Yeah.
All right. Next up.
Other big game from Sunday.

Speaker 1 The Browns, 33, the Ravens, 31.

Speaker 1 This was a crazy, crazy game because if you watch the first half, you thought the Ravens were going to win by a billion.

Speaker 1 You thought it was going to be a Seahawks game, a Lions game that the Ravens have just been killing opponents at home.

Speaker 1 The game started like 10 seconds in, pick six from Deshaun Watson, and they couldn't have looked worse.

Speaker 1 And then the second half started, and I think I might have to say it, Deshaun Watson, who's officially arrived as a Cleveland Brown because he was, to start the game, he was 6 for 20 for 79 yards.

Speaker 1 In the second half, he was 14 for 14 for 134 yards and a touchdown and drove him down the field for the game-winning field goal.

Speaker 1 As much as the Ravens blew this game, the Browns just hung in there and didn't quit. And that was maybe the biggest Browns win they've had, maybe since they beat the Steelers in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 A long-ass time. Long-ass time.

Speaker 5 Very long time for them.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Deshaun, I think he started one for nine. He was so bad.

Speaker 5 With a pick six. Yeah, with a pick six.
It was about as bad as you could get. And Keaton Mitchell had three carries, 34 yards, 11 yards per carry.
But that's okay because Gus Edwards had a big day.

Speaker 5 He had 11 carries for 24 yards.

Speaker 5 And Harbaugh, maybe Harbaugh just doesn't want another good player to get injured. So that's why they stopped running him in the second half.

Speaker 1 Brown's defense is good.

Speaker 5 I think he got, yeah, but I mean, he could get more than one carry in the second half. They played with the lead for, I think, all but 40 seconds of the game.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, this is, it's crazy that Harbaugh didn't go back to him.

Speaker 5 We also should have the conversation is, is Justin Tucker washed?

Speaker 1 He got a kick blocked. It was like a 50-plus yarder.

Speaker 5 He's, he's now one for five from 50-plus yards.

Speaker 1 Oh. Uh-oh.
Happens.

Speaker 5 For the record, every team should want Justin Tucker.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 5 He's probably not washed.

Speaker 1 I also, there was one play, like, again, if you watch this game, you know the Browns were basically dead in the water. Like, it felt like they had no chance.
They didn't show up to play.

Speaker 1 And they were down 14 points the second half. That David

Speaker 1 Njoku run after the catch, where he just started just like bullying Ravens defenders. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was the turning point. They were like, oh, yeah, we can play with these guys.

Speaker 5 Did you see his Instagram post? No. Njoku, he put up a post after the game.
The last slide of it was Stavi.

Speaker 1 Oh, Stavi crying. Love it.

Speaker 5 Crying about being a Ravens.

Speaker 1 No, that's not Stavi. That's what's his name.
Oh, Ronnie. Ronnie.
It was Ronnie from Dundalk. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 So, so funny.

Speaker 1 That was crazy, though. The Browns, like, these are games the Browns do not win.
And they came and they won it because these are the games that Browns sleepwalk, get killed.

Speaker 1 Everyone says, what's wrong with the Browns? Oh, well, they're the Browns. And then they win this game.

Speaker 1 And not only do they win it, but Deshaun Watson looks right for the first time in like three years in that second half.

Speaker 1 The Brown, like, if you're a Browns fan, this has to be one of the best wins you've ever had.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're very happy about it. And you're right.
This is the first time that they've won a game that they've been down 14 or more points in since 2018.

Speaker 1 They just didn't, like, they didn't blink. They just kept on playing defense.

Speaker 1 The pick six, like, sometimes you got to get those fluky bounces where it just drops right into Greg Newsom's hands.

Speaker 5 That was a crazy, crazy pick six.

Speaker 1 Crazy pick six.

Speaker 5 He was off the screen until the ball landed. Then all of a sudden he's got the ball in his hands.

Speaker 1 And it was great because it was like it was basically the same old Ravens and the fact that they should have won this game by a lot and they couldn't put them away.

Speaker 1 And then it was the opposite of the same old Browns, in that everything we've expected from the Browns, they were able to just throw out and say, No, no, we're going to win this game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, oh, and a fumble.

Speaker 5 Memes, what are you doing with tackling? You look like USC.

Speaker 1 Memes, this game is lost. The Raiders are going to win this game.
It's tank time. That's tough.
The Browns or Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 5 The Browns were down. Not only were they down 14 points, they were down 31 to 17, which is the biggest 14-point deficit that you can have.
When you look at it, you're like, that's at least 21 points.

Speaker 1 That's when David Njoku said, I'm going to fucking take this game over.

Speaker 1 I could feel it, too. We were watching in the Gamble Cave, and I had the Ravens.

Speaker 1 I was like, this game is not over because it feels like the Browns are still playing very hard, and they're coming after the Ravens. And yeah, I don't...
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like, the Ravens, they're really, really good still, but it's the same shit that always happens with them where they're like, they can't put teams away.

Speaker 5 I'm also going to declare a winner of the bye week, and that's the Chiefs. Yep.
The Chiefs won this bye week because the Jaguars lost. Yep.
And the Browns lost. No, the Ravens.

Speaker 5 And the Ravens lost to the Browns. And I'm just going to toss the Bengals in there, too.
The Bengals also lost. Congratulations to the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Chiefs keep winning. And Travis Kelsey, oh, my God, did you see him and Taylor?

Speaker 5 Oh, that was

Speaker 1 the boy of the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 I saw it, Big Cat, but I can't even.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was crying. I couldn't even.
I was crying when I saw Taylor Swift kiss her boyfriend.

Speaker 5 It was everything.

Speaker 1 Because I've never seen a boyfriend and girlfriend kiss before. It was

Speaker 1 everything I've ever wanted in my life.

Speaker 1 And I was crying.

Speaker 5 It was like Max and his friend.

Speaker 5 That's how deeply in love. It was.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I can't even.
My heart is fluttering just talking about two consensual adults kissing.

Speaker 5 It was so good to see that on film, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, you know, I liked it on film. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That was a lot. It was a lot seeing all the tweets about everything.
Yeah, it was. It was a lot.

Speaker 5 They kissed each other. They kissed.

Speaker 1 They are dating. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, she said Karma is the guy on the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then, oh, but hey, you take home.

Speaker 5 You don't even know.

Speaker 5 Did you see her backup dancers when she said that? Oh, my God. I couldn't even.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's his name?

Speaker 5 Watch it. You won't even.

Speaker 1 Did the dance that they do?

Speaker 1 Who's what's his name? The backup dancer. Everyone knows his name.
All the Swifties know that. Yeah, Phil.
Yeah. Phil, the backup dancer.
All the Swifties.

Speaker 9 You guys are haters. That was a cool clip.

Speaker 1 What? That was cool. I liked it.
What clip?

Speaker 1 The haters or uh karma is the guy on the chief no no we're not talking about we don't care about that clip we're talking about her kissing her boyfriend yeah

Speaker 10 oh my god i can't even believe this no but she it was the run up she was all it was it was nice it was nice to say okay wow

Speaker 1 sorry i love love you know what this is max you're in the doghouse what

Speaker 1 what are you talking about you sound like a guy talking in the doghouse right now That's just not. Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1 That is just not. He's in the doghouse.
I'm trying to figure out your angle. Yeah, he's in the doghouse.

Speaker 10 I'm not. I just like Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 Am I not saying anything my first time? You are speaking like a man who has been living in the doghouse. I am not in the doghouse.
Why didn't you speak up when PFT and Big Cat were being perverts?

Speaker 1 Wrong. You know that I love Taylor Swift.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Why don't you say something? Those guys are disgusting.
Wrong.

Speaker 1 Do we know who took that video?

Speaker 5 Because it seemed like they were ready for it. It seemed like

Speaker 5 it seemed like they had the perfect angle. It was staged.
I think it was staged personally. I think it was all a big setup.
Pfizer probably did it.

Speaker 5 Fauci. It was actually Dr.
Fauci that was standing there holding the camera.

Speaker 1 Everyone, please tweet at Max tomorrow and just tell him, like, hey, stay strong, dude.

Speaker 1 We've all been in the doghouse. This is just not true.
I'm in the vault.

Speaker 1 We all say shit that we don't want to say when we're in the doghouse, Max. I get it.

Speaker 6 Kelly Keeges, our colleague, love Kelly Keeges.

Speaker 1 I love Kelly. She live tweets.

Speaker 6 She finds streams of these concerts and live tweets the concerts and is like, oh my God, she's playing a song.

Speaker 1 It's like.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, she's playing another song.

Speaker 1 And she's like, oh my, like she said, Taylor Pose. Now She's doing a concert.
Now, and Kelly and I have talked about this before

Speaker 1 because her fandom is no different than our fandom. Because we sit and we watch Monday Night Football, we live tweeted and like, they're running Wildcat.
Oh, shit, they didn't pass.

Speaker 1 Like, we are the same people. We just have different likes.
So I never, I will always encourage Kelly to be herself in that respect because that's what we do. But

Speaker 1 the kissing one, like,

Speaker 1 they kissed Max.

Speaker 5 It was everything.

Speaker 1 I thought it was cute. Oh my god.
He's so easy. I'm not.
I'm not. He's this is

Speaker 1 doghouse.

Speaker 10 This is just a false narrative.

Speaker 1 Bad. Max is in trouble.
Not true. Not true.

Speaker 1 Not in trouble.

Speaker 1 Not in trouble. I didn't repost it.
Why not?

Speaker 1 Did you sleep in your girlfriend's roommate's bed again? No.

Speaker 1 Touchdown Raiders.

Speaker 1 These jets fucking suck.

Speaker 1 You sound like Chewbacca there, memes.

Speaker 1 The Jets are bad.

Speaker 1 I can't do it. I used to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I bet on the Jetson. I'm a fucking moron.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next game. Niners, Jaguars.
The Niners are back. Niners, 34, Jaguars, three.

Speaker 1 The Niners turns out

Speaker 1 for all the hand-wringing about the Niners three-game losing streak when they get Debo Samuel, Trent Williams, and a healthy Christian McCaffrey back,

Speaker 1 they are really fucking good.

Speaker 5 They looked a lot better. They looked a lot better.
Even the threat of Trent Williams being out in space, there was one touchdown that they had. I think it was on Debo's touchdown.

Speaker 5 Trent was just pulling out to the left side, running like 25 yards downfield, looking terrifying like he always does. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And the cornerback just starts like taking the wrong angle and running away from Trenton Williams. Trent never, I don't think he maybe like touched his arm briefly.

Speaker 5 Didn't really throw a block, but just his presence. He's like a gravitational force that makes people sprint away from you.
Yes. And it makes the entire offense so much better when he's playing.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the 49ers are without a doubt back.

Speaker 1 And the defense looked good too yeah they were flying around chase young and nick bosa combined off the edge they're going to be a force to be recognized you could tell that they they had like a come to jesus moment with their defensive unit being like hey guys what the fuck are we doing we have so much talent why are we not playing better um christian mccaffrey he he i i thought he was more injured than he was letting on because everyone we we do it as fans where we're like oh it's just an oblique i guarantee if any of us had an oblique injury we'd probably not podcast for like a month

Speaker 1 So he is actually a perfect sign of like, sometimes it's actually good to sit out so that people realize, like, oh, we miss you so much instead of playing injured and not as well.

Speaker 1 Because today, I think he averaged 5.9 yards per carry. Like, he had that burst back to him.

Speaker 5 Yeah, here's what we do. If you're injured, we're like, oh, this guy's a bum.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, he's not tough enough to play through it.

Speaker 5 Yeah. You say, oh, this guy's a bum.
And then they're like, well, he's injured. And then we say, well, stop making excuses for him.
He's healthy enough to play.

Speaker 5 Sometimes you aren't healthy enough to play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, but you're just a tough motherfucker like Christian McCaffrey. It was funny, too, the Niners trying to get him a touchdown at the end.

Speaker 5 Oh, they went to him on all four downs.

Speaker 1 They were up 34-3 and they were inside the 10-yard line, and Brock Purdy was throwing passes. Yeah.
It was awesome.

Speaker 5 So he was, I think he was going to do the chicken dance to try to get everybody a free chicken sandwich at Shake Shack if he had scored. America missed out on chicken.
It sucks.

Speaker 5 Everyone that scored a touchdown today that didn't do the dance is a selfish prick. Give the people free chicken.
Yeah. It's that simple.
Just like, give us free chicken. Like I

Speaker 5 almost said that I was going to match and then I realized that would put me in a lot.

Speaker 1 A lot. Don't do that.
So I'll, if they're going to have to match.

Speaker 5 If a player takes their pants off after scoring a touchdown and takes a shit in the end zone, I will pay for George Pickens'

Speaker 5 bail to get out of jail for doing that. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 5 That's huge. I think he's probably the only one that would take me up on that.
And some cheesesteaks.

Speaker 1 And some cheese steaks. Yeah, and some free cheesesteaks.
We should do a cheesesteaks giveaway.

Speaker 6 I don't know if we have that.

Speaker 1 No, but we should just make a player do something crazy like that.

Speaker 1 If Kittle scores a touchdown and then he pulls up his shirt and it says, please subscribe to Pardon My Take. They're my best friends in the whole world.

Speaker 5 Well, he also might get fined for that because I don't think you can show words.

Speaker 1 We'll pay for that.

Speaker 5 Pay for his fine.

Speaker 1 And then we'll give free pardon my cheesesteaks for everyone who buys $50 worth of pardon my cheesesteaks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That sounds like a good deal. Okay.
Balls in your court, Kittle.

Speaker 6 Buy 10, get one free.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's like a party card.
That's perfect.

Speaker 5 Did you see that the Jaguars, they have a party button that they press at the start of every fourth quarter? Oh, no. And this was a very sad party button.
Hey, did you saw the video? Very funny.

Speaker 5 It was pretty bad. They got the hype guys down on the field, like amping people up, a giant button that they hit.

Speaker 1 You've got to know when not to press the party button.

Speaker 5 You got to put the party button away when you're.

Speaker 6 I think it was an ad. And so I think it's like you got to just do the party button in the first quarter.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to do the party button right with like the kickoff. Because the whole stadium started booing.
Yeah. Yeah, they booed the party button.
You should boo the party button.

Speaker 1 The Jaguars.

Speaker 5 Max would be so bad at pushing that button.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he would. I was waiting for that joke.
Oh!

Speaker 1 Jaguars, are they frauds?

Speaker 5 I think we have to have the conversation.

Speaker 1 I think they might be.

Speaker 5 Because the only good team that they've beaten is the Bills, and we don't know if the Bills are even that good. And it was in England.

Speaker 1 When they got to stay for the second week.

Speaker 5 When they stayed for the second week. So we don't know if the Jaguars are good or not.
I mean, Trevor Lawrence Lawrence hasn't been that great this year.

Speaker 1 No, he had three turnovers, say, two picks and a fumble. He's been good.

Speaker 5 Don't get me wrong. Like, Trevor Lawrence, I think, is a fine young man, but he's a better human being than he is a football player at this moment.

Speaker 1 At this moment. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I would have to change my tune on Trevor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the Jaguars might be frauds. And I don't know.
I don't think we'll get much pushback because I think Jaguars fans are a little different than their

Speaker 1 state brothers down south

Speaker 1 in Miami. I think Jaguars fans kind of know, they feel like a fan base that is always waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Yeah. And they kind of were dreading this game.
Like, man,

Speaker 1 if we don't look good, because they scored nine points against the Chiefs, they scored three points against the Niners. Those are two teams that are very likely going to be in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And you weren't really competitive against either. So, yeah, I think they might be in the fraud tier.

Speaker 5 So the reason why Prisco had them in the Super Bowl is because of the schedule. What do you say? Like, it's a scheduled dummy? Yeah,

Speaker 1 he had them in the Super Bowl, but not winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because their schedule was so easy. I don't know how...
Oh, because they get the buy because their schedule was so easy. Right.
That way their playoff schedule would be easy.

Speaker 1 Would also be easy.

Speaker 5 But that's not necessarily true because you still have to play good teams.

Speaker 1 And they lose the tiebreaker to the Chiefs, and they also have three losses, and the Chiefs only have two.

Speaker 5 So the good news, if you're a Jaguars fan, you have one,

Speaker 1 two,

Speaker 5 three, four,

Speaker 5 five games in which I think you'll be favored for this season.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Schedule gets back to being nice.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so the schedule will be good. I think this was a Pete had this as a loss, anyways, right? When he looked at the schedule.
So just get back on track against the Titans. You'll be fine.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, Brock Purdy looked good again.

Speaker 5 He looked really good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's fine. He's going to be fine.

Speaker 1 I think we're at a safe place with Brock Purdy in the fact that if he has all his weapons, Trent Williams and Debo Samuel being very important weapons,

Speaker 1 he will look like a very good quarterback.

Speaker 5 And you're right. Trent Williams is a weapon.
Yeah. Like at offensive line.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have to worry about the entire left side. Like he just knows that he's going to be fine.

Speaker 5 So there's one thing that concerns me about the Niners. One thing.
I just want to put this in the file to pay attention to. Most people probably started looking at it in the Browns game.

Speaker 5 Their kicker isn't very good.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 5 Moody is not very good. And he makes good in college.

Speaker 1 He makes a lot. He's not a crazy part.

Speaker 5 He makes a lot of field goals that barely go in.

Speaker 5 And a lot of extra points that just barely sneak in. He's not very accurate.
And he might end up being a good kicker.

Speaker 5 That's what's so weird is like the kicker position is one where if you're not great right off the bat, then you probably won't have any career whatsoever. You don't really have time to grow into it.

Speaker 5 But he so far has not looked. I would be very worried about the Niners playing in a close game and trusting him as the kicker.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would as well.

Speaker 5 So he was like a fifth-round pick, wasn't he? I don't know. He was a draft.
They took him in the draft somewhere. So they're probably unlikely that he was a good player.

Speaker 1 No, he was, I think it might have been a third rounder. Third rounder, yeah.

Speaker 5 They took him in the draft. You don't want to admit that you fucked up a draft pick and move on, but they did that with Trey Lance.

Speaker 5 If I was John Lynch, I would probably get a new kicker. That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember him at Michigan being very good.

Speaker 1 So I think he hit some very big kicks, too, that game against Illinois last year in the sandwich spot. So, yeah, I don't know what's going on with him.

Speaker 5 Who's the kicker from Florida State?

Speaker 1 Aguayo? Yeah.

Speaker 5 The one that his brother tore the turtle in half.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was so fucked up.

Speaker 5 That was pretty fucked up. Yeah, really fucked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Frat boys just hanging out just guys being dudes who turtles in half that's the one like i've never heard billy get more angry at a player than when he found out that this dude abused a reptile

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Speaker 1 All right. Next up,

Speaker 5 the Josh Dobbs experience.

Speaker 1 Vikings 27, Saints 19.

Speaker 1 We've been spending all this time trying to figure out who's going to be the seventh seed in the NFC. and guess what? It was right in front of us all this time.

Speaker 1 The Vikings are in a five-game winning streak, the longest streak in the NFL right now, and they are the seventh team since the merger to start one and four and win the next five.

Speaker 1 And all six of those other teams have made the playoffs. So the Vikings, they're good.
Like, they're just a good team.

Speaker 1 They figured out their defense, and they've done this all without Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 5 It's crazy. Interesting.
So they're 5-0 without Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 They've done it all without Justin Jefferson. And Josh Dobbs, like, listen, the Josh Dobbs experience might

Speaker 1 fall off at some point because we've known it in the past, but it is fun when it's going.

Speaker 5 We do fall in love with quarterbacks like this so easily. In fact, this is the second time this year we've fallen in love with Justin Dobbs.

Speaker 1 It's fun when it's going.

Speaker 5 We fell in love with Josh Dobbs. We fell out of love with him.
when he was on the Cardinals, and we're like, okay, well, the Josh Dobbs thing was fun, but let's move on.

Speaker 5 Now we're back in on Josh Dobbs in a huge way. Yes.
Because he actually has a good team around him.

Speaker 1 And he seems like the best guy ever.

Speaker 5 Impossible to root against. Yes.

Speaker 1 And I was looking at it. The Vikings schedule.
So they're 6-4, started 1-4. Crazy.

Speaker 1 They could win 10 or 11 games. I could see it.
They play the Broncos, the Bears, the Raiders. They then have to play the Bengals.
And they finish the season with the Lions twice and the Packers.

Speaker 1 They split the Lions games.

Speaker 1 They should be able to beat the Broncos, Bears, and Raiders, right?

Speaker 1 And they beat the Packers. That's five wins, six wins.
That's 10 or 11-win team. Yeah, I could say it's crazy.

Speaker 5 They're good. Josh Dobbs at least learned the name of one of his receivers, TJ Hawkinson.
Yes. He loves TJ

Speaker 1 and broke his back at one point in this game.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's a beast. And so he had 11, yeah, 11 catches today.
He also hooked up with Jordan Addison a few times. He's just, he spreads the ball around.
He's just a good quarterback.

Speaker 5 You cannot tell me that Josh Dobbs is not a starting caliber quarterback in the NFL race. And

Speaker 1 the one thing with Josh Dobbs is he can obviously use his feet.

Speaker 1 He had a couple of awesome runs today that look like video game runs, but he always keeps his eyes downfield when he's running and when he's like moving around in the pocket.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, Josh Dobbs is fun. And then on the other side, we got to see Jameis, and Jameis gave us all of Jameis.
He had two touchdowns, two interceptions. threw a couple Jameis passes.

Speaker 1 That one touchdown, he made one incredible pass to Chris Olave, who made it equally as incredible catch.

Speaker 1 And then he made a touchdown pass where he threw it all the way across the field that no one in the world would make that pass except for Jameis Winston. And it worked.

Speaker 1 And it was like, this is awesome. We get to see Jameis.
He then threw a couple picks. But the only thing that will save me from being so fucking sick of the Saints shit, because I am.

Speaker 1 I'm sick of the Saints. They're a bummer to watch because it's like they have enough guys on the team that you think they're going to be okay.
And then they come out and they just play like shit.

Speaker 1 Jameis Winston's the only thing that can save them.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that 10-minute span that you're talking about, Jameis threw a pass that only Jameis Winston would ever even attempt, and it worked out and it was awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Then about eight minutes later, he threw a pass that only Jameis Winston would ever even attempt, and it got picked off. And that's why we love watching games.
It's the best.

Speaker 5 And I will settle for having like a full-on Taysom Hill game where he gets like 11 carries. He gets thrown the ball like three times.

Speaker 5 He gets to throw, he like passes for a touchdown, touchdown and he takes like, I don't know, 10 snaps under center, 11 snaps under center. I'll settle for one of those.

Speaker 5 I think the common denominator is just that Derek Carr is a bummer to watch play football. He really is.
He's just, he looks sad. It might be the eyeliner.
He looks too goth to play football.

Speaker 5 But something about watching Derek Carr starting a game for a team that's on television just makes you ignore that game for most of it.

Speaker 1 I feel like Derek Carr is just firmly in that camp of if you're a teammate of Derek Carr, you love him to death because he does seem like a great, great dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But when you watch him, you're like, can we just stop? Can we just do something anything else besides watching Derek Carr play football right now?

Speaker 5 You know what I think it is? He reminds me a lot of like he has late-stage Drew Brees. Yes.

Speaker 5 Where like the very last season and a half of watching Drew Brees, that's what Derek Carr looks like every game that he starts. Yeah.
That's a bummer.

Speaker 1 It's a bummer.

Speaker 5 But when you get Jameis in there, it's a shot in the arm.

Speaker 5 He is football cocaine.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was awesome to watch.

Speaker 5 Highs, the lows. It's all good.

Speaker 1 In terms of my pinky, I think I was at like a one

Speaker 1 when, well, I was at a zero when the Vikings were one and four. Then they won a couple games, and Kirk Cousins got hurt.
And maybe I went to like a two when they won a couple games.

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins gets hurt. I go back down to a one.

Speaker 1 With Josh Dobbs and the fact that they've won five straight in a row, I think I have to admit that I'm like at a four at least.

Speaker 6 Kirk's done for the year, no matter what, right? Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's not going to

Speaker 1 be a wanna and get stem cell like Aaron Rodgers did. Oh, yeah.
Bole ball.

Speaker 5 Kirk's very much against stem cell. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 wait, memes, did you get the ball? Fuck you. No, you did not get the ball.

Speaker 1 I am at a four and a half.

Speaker 5 I had completely forgotten that they were your pinky team.

Speaker 5 That's how little the Vikings being a threat really played into my mind until recently.

Speaker 1 Now they're shades of the original pinky team, the Texans, when I picked the Texans and they won like 10 in a row and still lost in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 But I don't think I'm pretty confident the Vikings aren't going to win the Super Bowl, but I'm also equally as confident the Vikings will be in the playoffs. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's scary. I wonder if we're going to get more people from Minnesota shaving their eyebrows off.
That'd be cool. That seemed like it was the start of something good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do it for Josh Dobbs.
He's fun. He's very fun.
At least Josh Dobbs has gotten himself an awesome backup quarterback contract. Yes.
Like for a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's amazing that he bounced around as much as he did. Like no team saw this guy.
It was like, let's just make him our backup. Yeah.
Just keep him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next up, memes, you're in the torture chamber. You're losing this game.
You know that.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Say it. We're losing this game.
Okay. But home to a field goal.
Okay. So you're not fully there yet.

Speaker 1 Steelers, 23. Packers, 19.
The Pittsburgh Steelers have done it again. They got out-gained

Speaker 1 yet again. They are 6-3, and they've been out-gained by their opponent in every single game they've played this year.

Speaker 1 And they are the first team team to do that and have a winning record since 1940.

Speaker 1 They are the breaking bad, like they can't keep getting away with this.

Speaker 1 I love watching it.

Speaker 1 It's fun to watch because they find new ways to look bad and still win games. And it's just, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 I hope it happens every single game of the season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I hope they do it all the way to the Super Bowl. Exactly.

Speaker 5 That'd be great, wouldn't it? If they got out-gained in the Super Bowl, still won.

Speaker 1 People would be so mad.

Speaker 5 Like, we talked a lot of shit about the Steelers a couple years ago during COVID year, Jets Ball.

Speaker 6 Jet's ball.

Speaker 1 Now you need Zach Wilson to do something.

Speaker 5 Where they were the worst 11-0 team of all time.

Speaker 1 Remember that?

Speaker 5 Yes. Yeah, and we made fun of them.
This Steelers team, I'm actually rooting for.

Speaker 5 I hope this continues to happen. And my question to you, Big Cat, is, is this a...

Speaker 5 Is this an indictment of Mike Tomlin that he keeps getting out-gained in every game?

Speaker 5 Or is it a credit to Mike Tomlin that in spite of getting out-gained in every single game, he figures out weird ways to win?

Speaker 1 Mike Tomlin is an incredible coach.

Speaker 1 Everything that I've seen from,

Speaker 1 and we've had this discussion before, but finding out how crazy Big Ben, L'IVEM Bell, and Antonio Brown all were, the fact that Mike Tomlin kept that team together,

Speaker 1 he gets all the credit in the world for me. And yeah, I think he's an incredible coach.

Speaker 1 And you brought up the 11-0 team because I know people get upset when we put the fraud tag on the Dolphins or the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 The Steelers can't get the fraud tag because I don't think anyone thinks they're that good. No.
They just win games.

Speaker 5 They're not fraudulent.

Speaker 1 They are who they are. Yeah, right.
Like they're not a very good team, but they have a very good record.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they have a point differential. And again, bear in mind, they are six and three right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Six and three. They're six and three.
They have a point differential of negative 26.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. So,

Speaker 5 well, last year with the Giants, did we call them frauds or did we just say like

Speaker 1 no, because I never thought that it was the Vikings.

Speaker 5 The Vikings.

Speaker 1 Because to be frauds, you have to be talked about like you're going to be a Super Bowl contending team. Like, no one thought the Giants last time.

Speaker 5 It was the Vikings, I mean.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Vikings were because they had won all those games by one score and they had a crazy record. They won the NFC North.
Like, the Steelers,

Speaker 1 they're not good, but their record is good. Yeah, nobody.
I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 5 I don't think anybody, even Steelers fans, look at the Steelers. In fact, a lot of Steelers fans are like, I can't fucking stand Mike Tomlin.
It's like more of this shit. And we still...

Speaker 5 they're mad because they keep winning. So Mike Tomlin is definitely not going to get fired.
Well, he wouldn't get fired anyway because it's Pittsburgh. It's Pittsburgh.
But to Tomlin's credit,

Speaker 5 he is 27, 7, and 1 in one score games. So that's a big enough sample to see that maybe Mike Tomlin is doing some small things right.
You know what he did this week?

Speaker 5 New wrinkle for Mike Tomlin this week. He paid local refs to come out in referee uniforms because they'd gotten fucked by the refs so many times to actually officiate their practices.

Speaker 1 This is like like doing a basketball game with the police. Exactly.

Speaker 5 Yeah. He was like, okay, well, we're going to have him close.
We're going to figure out how refs operate, what we can and can't get away with. I love it.

Speaker 1 Smart guy. Yeah.
Very smart guy.

Speaker 1 And in a weird, perverse way, the Steelers are fun to watch because you know exactly what you're going to get when you watch the Steelers game.

Speaker 1 You're going to get a lot of frustrating offensive drives. You're going to get TJ Watt being a monster.
Their defense making a couple big plays.

Speaker 1 And like, I think while we were watching this, when the Packers were up going into the fourth quarter, or it was maybe late third, I was like, the Steelers have them right where they want them.

Speaker 1 This is exactly where the Steelers want to be. They want to be down

Speaker 1 less than a touchdown and be like, all we need is one drive, and then we just play defense. And that's exactly what they did.
And I, yeah, they're weirdly fun to watch.

Speaker 1 And they ran the ball today, which is more an indictment on the Packers' atrocious run D that they thought they figured out for two games.

Speaker 1 But yeah, they, Jalen Warren and Najee Harris had 183 yards on 31 carries. And Najee didn't look bad.
No.

Speaker 5 He does look bad when they give Jalen Warren a carry like right after Najee Harris' carry. Yes.
Where you watch that and you say, well, that guy's way faster. Yeah.
Why are they playing this?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he looks so much more exposive. Yeah, Jalen Warren did that spin move to no one.
Yeah. It worked.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 5 So I will say. For Packers fans, you're probably upset about the lateral that wasn't called.

Speaker 5 And I would agree with you on that.

Speaker 5 I need somebody who's much smarter than me to explain why that pass from Kenny Pickett wasn't ruled a lateral that was scooped up by the Packers and then returned for a touchdown.

Speaker 5 Because it very obviously, I think it went backwards. Yeah, at the very, very least, it went side to side.
Then they reviewed it. And then, what's the simp, that ref simp that they bring out there?

Speaker 1 That narc Blendino?

Speaker 5 No, I don't think it was Blendino. Blandino at least has some balls, and we'll call that

Speaker 1 stage. I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 5 Terry McAuliffe. Yeah, Terry McAuliffe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Terry McAuliffe has the balls to get on TV and say, you didn't see what you just saw. Yeah.
It was right on 1984. He was like, that was

Speaker 5 clearly forward pass.

Speaker 1 I hate when they do that.

Speaker 5 Unless I'm insane, that was very obviously a lateral that should have been allowed to be picked up by the Packers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Parallax effect.

Speaker 5 Parallax effect. Parallax.
Good call, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Packers. Parallax effect again, Hank.

Speaker 6 It's that a line from above might not actually be accurate or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 The Packers, Jordan Love actually looked, he made some nice plays downfield in the first half. He also threw two interceptions to end the game.
Again, I think that this guy is the guy, and

Speaker 1 you have to give him an extension.

Speaker 1 He showed you enough with those. He did throw a dime touchdown pass to, I think it was Reed.
I can't remember. But yeah,

Speaker 1 you got to keep going forward with him.

Speaker 1 He's the guy. He clearly is the guy.
Couldn't be more the guy.

Speaker 5 Let's get some of those gifts going. I love those when it's always like extend your team's rival's worst player.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's get some of those going i need it i need it he's the guy uh also tj watt uh is now second all-time most sacks in first hundred games reggie white 105 tj watt 88 jj watt 87 and a half which is cool for the watts but also reminds you how sick reggie white was reggie might what might have been the strongest nfl player of all he'd just throw offensive lineman the what the the hump move that he would do with one arm and just push an offensive lineman seven yards behind the line of scrimmage i feel like every week we get another tj j stat and then JJ is like, man, this is so cool.

Speaker 5 Like, I couldn't imagine being a kid.

Speaker 5 And growing up, the perspective is just killing me right now.

Speaker 5 And then we start to lose sight of the perspective because, from our perspective, it's like, okay,

Speaker 5 I've been hit over the head with this. Yeah, right.
But I just want to remind myself to have the perspective to look at JJ Watts' perspective and say, that is really cool.

Speaker 1 Watts, Watts stats are scoreigamis. Yes.
I lose the perspective because they keep happening.

Speaker 5 There are too many great Watts. The Watt family is so good at football that I've become numb to how good at football is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can just, you can find a stat. There's a stat for that for every single big Watt stat.
Memes, should we...

Speaker 1 Memes just had a smile on his face. Like, things are going great.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson is moving the ball. I keep saying to Max, they should just kick the field goal now so they give themselves enough time to get another field goal.
Or a fumble. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 That was almost a great pass to Garrett Wilson. How are you feeling, Memes? I'm feeling good.

Speaker 1 Why? I don't know. He shouldn't.
Zach Wilson missed the fourth quarter.

Speaker 5 He leads the league in fourth quarter. I mean, that's the one good Zach Wilson pass that you're going to get.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was in this.
Darren Wilson didn't get it. He had a good one before.
All right, Max.

Speaker 1 Sorry, memes, third and four.

Speaker 1 It's 16 to 12 Raiders. You need this first down.

Speaker 1 And you are

Speaker 1 going to get it.

Speaker 1 Wow. Great job.
Okay, we'll go back to memes in a second.

Speaker 1 All right. Last early game, Bucs 20, Titans 6.
This game stunk.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't really have too many notes on the Bucs Titans game.

Speaker 1 The way you said that. Yeah, well, it was like very...

Speaker 5 It was the Bucs playing the Titans, and the Bucs won.

Speaker 1 I only have a couple notes.

Speaker 1 Mike Evans is good for like a comically bad drop every few weeks. He had one today, but then he actually turned around and had 143 yards in a touchdown.
But for a guy who's a future Hall of Famer,

Speaker 1 if he retired tomorrow, he'd be in the Hall of Fame. Incredible wide receiver.

Speaker 1 But there still is like three or four times a year, he gets thrown a football, and it looks like he's never touched a football in his life.

Speaker 5 He might, it's like him and Mike Allstott are the two best offensive players in Bucs history. Yeah.
You can confidently say that. Maybe Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 Maybe he was doing Tom Brady. Did you see that drop? It was.

Speaker 1 I did see it. So Mike.
He twisted him up and he fell down like he was in like a sitcom.

Speaker 5 So my note on this game was related to that drop. Do you know what his explanation was? What?

Speaker 5 He said he was thinking about which fan in the front row he was going to give the ball to if he had caught that technology.

Speaker 5 So he was actually, he admitted to it. He was like, yeah, I fucked up.
I was thinking about the fan.

Speaker 5 Like I was, I was, I had the fan picked out of my head and I tried to catch it and I thought about my celebration before I caught it. Which is, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 It's better.

Speaker 5 to drop a ball because you're thinking about that than it is if you drop a ball on the two-yard line before you run into the end zone. Yes.

Speaker 1 Which is a

Speaker 1 big problem.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Mike Evans, it looked like a scene like Kramer comes in the door and you throw him a football and he drops it and then he hits over everything in the kitchen. That's how he fell.

Speaker 1 But then he came back and played well. The Titans' offense is very hard to watch.
Will Levis is obviously a rookie.

Speaker 5 He got beat up a lot today.

Speaker 1 They're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 The Titans are officially in trying to figure it out mode. Like, they've got to figure everything out.

Speaker 5 They've been there for a while. If I were to ask you, Big Cat, what do you think the Titans' record is in their last 16 games?

Speaker 1 Not good. It's 8-8.

Speaker 5 3-13.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because remember they collapsed last year. Yeah.
They've not been good this year.

Speaker 1 And somehow, someway, the Bucs are not a good football team, but they are, I think, maybe the best team in the NFC South. Could be.

Speaker 1 The Saints are the only other answer because we'll get to the Falcons in a little bit, but like, yeah, I guess. The NFC South sucks.
It's bad. It's the worst.
It's bad. It's the worst.

Speaker 5 So you got to to band together if you're the NFC South. You just got to say, like, we beat each other up.
Yeah. That's the old NFC Beast playbook.

Speaker 1 But it's crazy to watch the Bucs play football and be like, this could very well be a home playoff team.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and that's the weird part about it:

Speaker 5 somebody has to host that fourth spot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the Cowboys might have to go to Tampa Bay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which I guess they did last year. Hank.
Who won?

Speaker 1 Your Cowboys. Yeah.
I saw a guy in Texas on Saturday. It was like, I love.

Speaker 1 One. Well, I saw a lot of guys.
Yeah, you're right. How many guys did you see? One guy, hundreds of guys.
One guy came up to me. He was like, I'm a huge AWL and I love that Hank is a Cowboys fan now.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah. He was like, finally, representation matters.
I could see myself in this podcasting booth.

Speaker 5 Finally, somebody in national media roots for the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Finally, they're talking about the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 We should get a former Cowboys player on the show.

Speaker 1 I've always said we need a Cowboys fan. I would love to get a Cowboys fan just to watch.

Speaker 1 Exactly. For that reason, right there.
Just like

Speaker 1 we should get just

Speaker 1 Moose in preseason. Oh, Jake's here.
Hey, Jake. Oh, hey, Jake.

Speaker 5 Welcome back, Jake. Thank you.
No, I'm saying we should have like a former Cowboys player because every single media company has at least two former Cowboys. I can't decide.

Speaker 5 It would just be great because actually, Max, it might be bad for your job security.

Speaker 5 Because if there's one person that we would like to laugh at more for their misery than an Eagles fan, it would probably be a Cowboys fan.

Speaker 1 I would love.

Speaker 5 I don't like hate, hate Philly like Hank does, but

Speaker 5 watching Cowboys fans go through misery is the absolute best.

Speaker 6 I don't hate Philly at all.

Speaker 1 I just love watching him lose. It would be great to get like a seven-foot, like 130-pound Cowboys fan and just put them next to Max, the perfect 10, and just watch them just go at it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not short. You would be against a seven-footer.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Welcome to my life.

Speaker 1 Yes. Are you saying you'd look tall next to a seven-footer?

Speaker 10 No, but the way you say that made it sound like.

Speaker 1 You're short? I was short.

Speaker 5 You're not short, but

Speaker 1 if you hang out with a seven-footer. Seven-footer.
Max, you got to just worry about being in the doghouse. I'm not in the fucking doghouse.
I don't know why you keep saying that.

Speaker 1 Right. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Okay, before we get to the afternoon games, let's take a break and then we will maybe narrate the end of the Jets game that they are on the 23-yard line trying to score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Oh, memes. That interception.

Speaker 1 Talk us through it. That was just too many plays for Zach Wilson on that drive.
There was 11 plays. You can't have 11 plays.

Speaker 5 It was so bad.

Speaker 1 The guy wasn't open. You could see the linebacker coming down.
Zach Wilson couldn't see him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was so clear. Now they're going to get a first down on the second down.

Speaker 1 Oh, so.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is actually even meaner that they're going to let Saturday

Speaker 1 at the ball again.

Speaker 1 So you're going to think, oh, maybe he'll do it.

Speaker 5 Memes, do you want Aaron Rodgers to come back in December?

Speaker 1 What's our record?

Speaker 5 Now, let's say you lose two more games.

Speaker 1 No. One more game.
No.

Speaker 5 So you have to go undefeated for the rest of November.

Speaker 1 At the Bills and the Dolphins next two games.

Speaker 5 Must wins.

Speaker 1 It's too bad because the back half of your schedule gets a little bit easier. Yeah, we play the commanders.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 We can't score a touchdown, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 I'm just busting balls.

Speaker 1 Dude, we can't score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 We just watched two primetime games where they can't score a touchdown. Yeah, why? That's true.
They can't score a touchdown.

Speaker 5 Why do they keep not flexing the Jets out? My theory this week is Mike Torico loves Vegas. Tarico made like nine references to like, oh, you know what happens in Vegas? Stays in Vegas.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, things get wild out here in the desert, smoking cigars late at night. I feel like Mike Tarica was like, no, we're going to go to Vegas.
You can't flex that out.

Speaker 1 Well, like, even with Aaron Rodgers, if he was playing, this wasn't even the best game.

Speaker 5 They would definitely keep him, though.

Speaker 5 They want Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 But, like, Ravens-Browns would have been good.

Speaker 1 Jaguars, 49ers.

Speaker 5 What's your theory? Like, how close do you think he actually is? Do you think he's going to come back this year?

Speaker 1 I think he wants to.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's ready. So the Jets are going to get the ball back with a minute and a timeout.
You're just going to have to go through the torture again. Yep.

Speaker 5 It's going to happen again. Can I bet on him to throw another pick?

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 5 I'm going to try to do that live.

Speaker 1 He's definitely going to throw another pick. He has to.
But maybe memes, you know what, memes? Maybe this will be like the greatest thing ever. Like the Giants game?

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying like maybe we're taping right now. Maybe you're going to have your moment.
Your memes arrival moment.

Speaker 1 It's almost a passing of the torch in the studio.

Speaker 1 Jake came in late. He had a flight.
Max is in the doghouse and is saying all types of pussy shit.

Speaker 10 He's not in the doghouse.

Speaker 1 And now you are going to be the alpha.

Speaker 5 If he pulls it off?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is your moment. All right, let's go.
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 14 My theory is they don't want to flex out any games where the Super Bowl is taking place. They want to show off the venue as much as possible.

Speaker 1 Oh, that is a good theory, Jake.

Speaker 14 Because this is their second home one. They beat the Steelers in week three, and then they have a Thursday night game against the Chargers in December.
Three home primetime games is a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good theory. Because, yeah, the Raiders weren't supposed to be good.
Okay. I like that theory.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next game.

Speaker 1 Lions-Chargers.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable game.

Speaker 1 What a game.

Speaker 5 What a game. If you like offense, it was great.

Speaker 1 Yes. This was

Speaker 1 the Lions' offense is so good. And I know it's a lot of the Chargers' defense being so bad.
The Lions defense was not so good.

Speaker 1 And I walked away from this game being like, I guess the Lions can win shootouts, but man, their defense got torched. Like poor, poor Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert played his ass off.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he has the second

Speaker 1 second most money invested in a defense in the NFL. Steelers being one, Chargers being two, and a defensive head coach.
And that defense fucking sucks.

Speaker 5 They're miserable.

Speaker 1 Lions players were running open everywhere. There was a fourth and five or six that the Lions ran the ball.
Yeah, and they ran it for a first time.

Speaker 5 It was fourth and five, and Dan Campbell says, go for it, which is kind of a ballsy play. And then to run an inside handoff against a defensive coach, just like kicking dirt in the little nerd's face.

Speaker 5 That's what it was. It was Dan Campbell being like, yeah, I'm a football guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And the Lions' offense, now that their offensive line is healthy, like they look like they are all the way back on offense, which makes them a very scary team.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Their defense was driving me insane.

Speaker 1 It felt like Justin Herbert, like it really did feel no matter what, whoever had the ball last was going to win the game because no one could stop either team at any point. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I want to go back to October 22nd of last year. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson just made an incredible pass.

Speaker 5 October 22nd. of last year.
Dan Campbell said,

Speaker 1 this is rock bottom. Why aren't they using their timeout memes?

Speaker 5 Oh, they just wasted seconds. They wasted

Speaker 1 seconds. You call him Bob? Man, it's Bob's Law.

Speaker 5 I think Bob's saying that you owe me more seconds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I put those seconds back on the

Speaker 5 second that I lost.

Speaker 5 But yeah, October 22nd last year, Dan Campbell said, this is rock bottom for us, guys. This is the most heartbreaking loss we can have.
Since that loss, they are 16-5. Yeah, they're good.

Speaker 1 He called it. He called it.

Speaker 5 They're good. Just like Hank called rock bottom earlier today, Dan Campbell called called it October last year.
He was right.

Speaker 1 I think it was that game against the Patriots where they didn't score.

Speaker 5 Might have been. Yeah.

Speaker 5 My, how tides have turned since then, huh?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 5 It was like really the fork in the road for two franchises. But yeah, the Lions, they can win in different ways.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they can win in different ways. They have to just score a shitload of points.

Speaker 5 No, they can beat the shit out of you sometimes.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just saying their defense is.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Aaron Glenn makes adjustments.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 watching that game was so stressful because I bet a lot on the Lions and being like, whenever the Chargers have the ball, it's not a question of will they score. It's just when will they score?

Speaker 5 Their defense is sus for sure.

Speaker 5 Oh, Zach Wilson, what's he going to do?

Speaker 5 Throwing it deep.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. It almost worked.
All right, let's have, we have one last play here, and then we'll get back to the Lions Chargers. Five seconds on the clock.

Speaker 1 Memes can be the alpha of this studio if he wins this game. If Zach Wilson pulls off, you know, he's got the arm strength, memes.

Speaker 1 This would be so sick. This would be so sick.
He just threw that out of bounds. What are you doing? This would be so sick, memes.

Speaker 1 Imagine if he does it.

Speaker 1 Imagine.

Speaker 1 He's not going to do it.

Speaker 5 He looks a little panicked right now.

Speaker 1 You don't believe he's going to do this. Spoiler alert.
He's not going to do it. What if he's his boss?

Speaker 5 He's going to do it. He's going to do it.
Oh, we're going to get a timeout.

Speaker 5 What's the most Zach Wilson way to end this game? I think a fumble, a sack fumble would be pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like a 20-yard sack. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Throwing it away.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Sideline.

Speaker 1 Gets batted down. Hit right back to him.
Then he runs out of bounds.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 the pass gets deflected. There's still time.
Like, he throws a quick pass to try to get a couple more yards. It gets batted down.
He catches it. And then he gets tackled in bounds.

Speaker 5 And he tries to throw it again on his way down. And that's it.

Speaker 1 That's it. And that's it.

Speaker 1 This is so funny. I can't believe you actually think this could happen.

Speaker 1 Maybe I'll look like the biggest idiot ever, but spoiler alert. I'm not going to.
And I bet on the Jets. I would love for this to happen, memes.
This would be an incredible win.

Speaker 1 All right, memes. Here you go.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson taking the snap. He's going back, and he's going to get sacked.
Oh, no, he's going backwards.

Speaker 5 He's going to be able to straight bounce.

Speaker 1 let it rip. Let it rip.
Let it rip, Zach. He lets it rip.
It is.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. It was almost caught.
That was actually as close as you can get.

Speaker 5 Was that Garrett Wilson?

Speaker 1 Dude. And let's just say right now, that was an incredible play by Zach Wilson to avoid that sack.
That's why you drafted him.

Speaker 1 That's why you got to give him a new contract.

Speaker 5 That was the off-platform throw.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 Rolling to the left, throwing to his right.

Speaker 1 That was literally the full Zach Wilson. That's why you get that guy.

Speaker 1 that was so close memes we gotta see this replay yeah he touched it he touched it

Speaker 6 right still not gonna get it on the replay memes oh no hank that's

Speaker 6 rude well you're like you're like let me see this replay

Speaker 1 it's not gonna make it better we found out today that memes has hank's number saved in his phone as henemy

Speaker 1 a budding rivalry not even a budding it is a rivalry it's full-blown i love memes yeah that's my that's my boy gave me a life

Speaker 1 All right, we're never going to see the replay. We're never going to see the replay.
They're not going to show the replay. Maybe he caught it, memes, and that's why they're not showing the replay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 They will. They've got to show the handshakes first.

Speaker 1 Because that's live. Okay, here we go.
Here it comes.

Speaker 5 Let's watch the replay. See how close he was, memes.
He's going to make it better, memes.

Speaker 1 Incredible job by Zach Wilson to avoid the sack. Got a little help from the ref.

Speaker 1 What a throw.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone could have caught it.

Speaker 5 No, I think he touched it.

Speaker 1 I don't think it was catchable.

Speaker 5 That was a great play by Zach Wilson. Hit him with the Hesse Hay against Crosby.

Speaker 1 And oh, he definitely could have caught it. Carrot Wilson could have caught it.

Speaker 1 Oh, Carrot Wilson.

Speaker 1 All he's got to do is be a little bit better.

Speaker 5 Oh, no. The guy in front of him.
Is that Conklin? Yeah, Conklin took it away from Carrett Wilson.

Speaker 1 Sorry, memes. Sorry, memes.

Speaker 5 This sucks. Yeah.
Devontae Adams smiling.

Speaker 1 Recap real quick, memes. Your season is over?

Speaker 1 The season's over again. Okay.
Still can't score a touchdown. No longer the best team in the NFC? No longer.
I think we're bottom 15 in the NFC. Okay, bottom 15 in the NFC.

Speaker 1 16 teams. 16.
Yep. Bottom 15, not the worst.
Okay. And Aaron Rodgers not coming back.
Aaron Rodgers not coming back.

Speaker 1 I don't think Joe Douglas is coming back either. Oh, he's built this roster, memes.

Speaker 1 I saw him trending a lot. It's a good roster.
Josh Dobbs is doing good.

Speaker 5 Do you think they're going to...

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Josh Dobbs could win some games for the Jets. Josh Dobbs is a big reason why Joe Douglas has been trending.
Wow.

Speaker 5 Because they just said we're going to stick. Well,

Speaker 5 I heard Salah last week when they were talking about, like, there was somebody in the press that was asking him, why haven't you brought in a new quarterback yet?

Speaker 5 Why aren't we giving Zach Wilson some competition? And they did with Trevor Simeon, right? But they're not giving him a

Speaker 5 start. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So the question was a fair question, and Salah said as much. He was like, you know, that's like, I respect that question.
It's a good question.

Speaker 5 It's just we're going to go with the guy that we have right now.

Speaker 5 It almost felt like it was coming from above him, whether that was Joe Douglas or if it was Woody Johnson saying, no, let's stick with Zach Wilson. Don't bring anybody else in it.

Speaker 5 It felt like it wasn't his call to make.

Speaker 1 Josh Dobbs would have won that game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Josh Dobbs would have won that game.

Speaker 5 Carson Wentz might have won that game.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz reached out. Did you see that report? Oh, he reached out

Speaker 5 to

Speaker 5 me. He was so thirsty.
He was on Monday night. Again, I said

Speaker 5 if Carson Wentz showed up at my doorstep, I would call the police. But he asked twice.

Speaker 1 Yes, twice. He saw

Speaker 1 you guys.

Speaker 5 He's like, are you sure?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I really want to play. They're like, nope.

Speaker 5 They're like, well, yeah, we'll be back in touch with you and let you know. And he's like, yeah, I never really heard back about that job opening.
I wanted to follow up.

Speaker 1 You said I nailed the interview.

Speaker 5 I sent my resume in and I got a read receipt on it. And so I wanted to follow up on that.

Speaker 1 Man. Sorry, memes.
Lions Chargers. Back to Lions Chargers.
I don't understand what the Chargers are doing.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 spent all that money on defense, and they don't have any linebackers. That was the shocking thing in this game, where it was just

Speaker 1 like the running game, the Lions ran it all over them, and then anytime they wanted, they had guys crossing the middle of the field wide open.

Speaker 5 There were a million times when, whether it was St. Brown or somebody else, would catch the ball like seven yards downfield.
Yes. And then they'd run an additional seven yards before getting tied.

Speaker 5 They might not have linebackers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they might not.

Speaker 5 It might just be a defensive line, and then you've got four defensive backs, and they forget to put linebackers out there.

Speaker 5 The title of the field was incredibly wide open.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Ben Johnson is an awesome play caller. Like, that, what was it, fourth down when he threw the over-the-top tight end touchdown? That was sick.
Like,

Speaker 1 the Lions are so much fun to watch. I'm just very worried that their defense is

Speaker 1 not good.

Speaker 1 And maybe it's just Justin Herbert's very good.

Speaker 1 Because I really do, if you watch this game and anyone who's like, Justin Herbert's not really good, you're just not watching the game because he is really good and his defense is really, really bad.

Speaker 5 They look really good. The Lions' defense looked good against the Raiders under offensive genius, Josh McDaniels.
Okay. Let's not forget that.
Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 5 Congrats to the Lions.

Speaker 5 Your defense was good enough to get Josh McDaniels fired. Yeah.
Which is a net positive for football. And then you had a good game against the Bucs, too.

Speaker 1 Which is also not a good offense.

Speaker 5 Also, not a good offense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so who is very one-dimensional, can't run the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's not.

Speaker 5 I guess they look good against the Falcons, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but like the Seahawks put up 37 on them. Yeah,

Speaker 5 the defense is definitely suspect.

Speaker 1 And it's crazy because

Speaker 1 watching the Lions play defenses is so frustrating because I feel like there's so many times where they almost get a sack and they just don't. And then it's like, oh, that's a 15-yard play.

Speaker 1 And I guess maybe that's just the difference. Game of inches.
Ever heard of it?

Speaker 1 But it is, Lions fans, I feel bad for you because your offense is so legit and watching that defense is tough on certain Sundays.

Speaker 1 And when you start playing really good quarterbacks, that's who's most likely going to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 But the good news is you might be able to outscore most teams. Yeah.
So you're off.

Speaker 1 And you'll play fun football.

Speaker 5 Jerry Goff is great. He's awesome.
I'm glad that we held our stock on Jerry Goff. I'm surprised Hank didn't sell that one too.
But we've

Speaker 5 kind of a little bit. Well, I think Hank said he's great on play action.
Yeah. But we remain committed to Jerry Goff being an elite.

Speaker 1 He rooted against him in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 He did did root against him in the Super Bowl. Incredible.

Speaker 5 Jameer Gibbs also is so fun to watch. I love rookie running backs when they have those fast legs.
Yeah. And they got the rookie legs.
You can tell instantly if it's a rookie that's running the ball.

Speaker 1 And David Montgomery's back.

Speaker 5 He's back officially.

Speaker 1 By the way, we got breaking moves.

Speaker 1 Breaking moves.

Speaker 1 This just came in.

Speaker 1 It's a text from Paul Rabel.

Speaker 1 Tuesday. We're going to find out where the Water Dogs home is.
Ooh. Tuesday.
Doghack. Sports Center, 2 p.m.

Speaker 1 We're going to find out where the Water Dogs' home is.

Speaker 1 I've had conversations with Paul. I have an inkling of where we might be.
We talked about a bunch of different cities.

Speaker 1 There was talks about Chicago, Denver, Great Lakes, Philadelphia, all these cities.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited to see where the Water Dogs are going to be.

Speaker 5 We should call our stadium the doghouse.

Speaker 1 Yes. That would be perfect for Max.
He'd feel right at home.

Speaker 1 That's exciting. We're going to find out where the Water Dogs live.

Speaker 5 I'm very excited about that.

Speaker 1 So Tuesday at 2 o'clock Eastern on Sports Center, Paul Rabel is going to tell us what city will be the home of the Water Dogs.

Speaker 5 This is a revenge season, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, big time.
We're angry.

Speaker 5 Big time. We don't do second place.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay, so. I hope heads roll.
Heads need to roll. That's huge.
I think maybe new logos, too. Ooh.
Which will be cool because then we can do throwback logos. I like that.
You know? Throwback Day? Yeah,

Speaker 5 2021.

Speaker 1 Next time we have Paul on, we got to tell him, like, change your logo every year. That way your throwback logo.
everyone loves a throwback logo.

Speaker 5 I think that anytime a team wins a championship, they should retire that logo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, when the run is over. So, because then you remember it.
You can stay with it for the next season, I guess, but then maybe retire it once you don't win again. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay, that's the Super Bowl logo.

Speaker 1 I like that. I like that a lot.
So, Tuesday, 2 p.m. Eastern Sports Center, Paul Rabel is going to tell us where the Water Dogs live.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to, I mean, it's going to be big news for us, boys. Huge.
Huge news. All right.
Back to football. Cardinals and Falcons.
Kyler Murray is back.

Speaker 1 So back.

Speaker 5 He looked good. He looked really good.
He was so fast today.

Speaker 1 So fast. Kind of adorable running around back there.
And he's got a, like,

Speaker 1 Trey McBride is a legit weapon for him. Like,

Speaker 1 Kyler Murray took them on a game-winning field goal drive that they could have easily scored a touchdown. They got all the way down to the five-yard line.
Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 5 You forget that, you know, there's a lot of stuff off the field, a lot of conversation about Kyler Murray, whether or not he, like, really loved playing football.

Speaker 5 When he's on the field, he looks awesome. He looks like he's having fun when he's playing.

Speaker 1 The league is more fun when Kyler Murray's playing, especially because he plays for the Cardinals, which is usually an afternoon time slot team.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you know, you usually get a couple games that there's three, four games. If two of them suck, you're like, fuck, this sucks.
When Kyler Murray's involved, the games usually are fun.

Speaker 5 He's the only player that he can drift back like five or ten yards in the pocket, and a defensive lineman will be running at him.

Speaker 5 And then they'll be like, wait, I'm in a whole lot of space with Kyler Murray. Murray, and they'll stop pursuing him from the sack.

Speaker 5 And they'll just stand there and wait for him to turn around and run towards him because they know that if you run at him, he's going to step around you, and now there's even more space for him to go to.

Speaker 5 He's very fun to watch with the ball.

Speaker 1 I had fun watching Kyler Murray today. I thought he was going to be rusty.

Speaker 5 If you're a Falcons fan,

Speaker 5 correct me if I'm wrong, but they've now lost to the Vikings, Titans, and Cardinals,

Speaker 5 which are three teams in a row with quarterbacks with exactly zero starts for those teams teams between the three of them. On the season, yeah.
On the season. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So I guess you could say Arthur Smith is getting hosed because he doesn't have any

Speaker 5 tape to watch on these guys before they play, but that's a bad look.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the seat might be getting hot for our friend Arthur, to put it mildly.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and Heineke got injured today, so they put Ritter back in.

Speaker 5 Say something nice about Desmond Ritter. Didn't look bad when he came back in the game.

Speaker 1 I thought he looked bad. He at least tried.
He didn't look as bad. He tried to throw it downfield.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be the nicest thing I could say about Desmond Ritter, where he, in the past, he would, you know, not throw it downfield.

Speaker 1 He tried a couple times.

Speaker 5 And we got Bijan today. Bijan Robinson got a full workload.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Out of the dog. All of you nerds were wrong.

Speaker 5 22 carries doesn't make you win. Don't ask how many receptions Kyle Pitts had and how many yards he had.
That doesn't matter. But you got your Bijan wish.

Speaker 1 He had three for 30. Three for 30.
It's explosive.

Speaker 14 Baby Bond did not work.

Speaker 9 Baby Balt was a late edition.

Speaker 14 It was after we recorded.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 there should be a warning if it's Kyle Pitts specifically.

Speaker 1 And thank you to the Cardinals because they won a game and now the updated tank-a-thon is the Panthers in sole position of the first pick, which is the Bears pick. Huge.
So thank you to the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 I think they could probably win a few games here with Kyler Murray. Hank, would you like to know who you're selecting? Yes, please.
You're now third.

Speaker 1 So it goes Caleb Williams, Drake May, Marvin Harrison Jr. to the

Speaker 5 love that's going to throw the ball Bailey Zappi.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Bailey Zappi had some nice zip on a couple of those passes.

Speaker 1 Listen, if you get Marvin Harrison Jr., that like can get you so excited for a very long time.

Speaker 5 Would you be less excited about Bailey Zappi if his name wasn't Bailey Zappi? I think I would. I think the name, it's just kind of electric.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bailey Zappi was awesome in college. Loved watching him play ball.
Uh, Okay, next up, Cowboys Giants. Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 The Giants,

Speaker 1 say something nice about the Giants. Tommy DeVito's family looks awesome.
Central casting, the most Italian New Jersey family you could see.

Speaker 1 There was the whole story this week that Tommy DeVito still lives at home and was like, why wouldn't I? I get my laundry done, chicken cutlets.

Speaker 1 Just so perfect.

Speaker 5 It is. And I want to defend him on this because he lives in New Jersey.
He lives pretty close to New York. It's not cheap to live there.
He's not getting paid a whole lot of money.

Speaker 1 His mom's probably a great cook.

Speaker 5 His mom is probably awesome. He's probably got a good setup there.
So shout out to Tommy DeVito, who's wearing the TD gold chain around his neck during this game.

Speaker 1 And, like, if there's ever a community that you can get away with that, it's the Italian community. Yeah.
You live at home until you find a wife. It's perfect.
His mom probably won't let him move out.

Speaker 1 Your mom is your wife until you find a wife.

Speaker 5 His mom looked like she wanted to kick Brian Dable's ass during this game. Like, what the fuck are you doing to my son? And his dad was like, that's your fucking third down play?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 His dad, his dad is perfect.

Speaker 5 Yeah, his family was the best part of this game.

Speaker 1 Just using their hands to yell at the Giants and everything. Yeah.

Speaker 5 There were a few plays in the first half, especially, where the game plan seemed to be just get Tommy DeVito as far away from the ball as possible.

Speaker 5 So they had him run out wide, and they would do like a last-second Wildcat thing. And when they split him out wide, they split him out very wide.

Speaker 1 Very wide. Like, they told him, like, run off the field.

Speaker 5 Whatever you do, don't touch the ball during this play.

Speaker 1 And you know what I always think about with guys like Tommy DeVito, who, you know, they probably don't have a long career in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Just give it time, Tommy DeVito, because you'll, at some point in your life, 10 years from now, you'll be working a job, maybe coaching football.

Speaker 1 You'll have your Giants, Tommy DeVito game-worn jersey hung up in your office. And you'll be like, yeah, I threw a few touchdown passes in the NFL.

Speaker 5 What do you think his next job's going to be? I think meet six. Coach.
I think maybe steak. He might sell steaks door-to-door.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 maybe garbage yeah i could get in the garbage uh waste management sanitation yeah sanitation

Speaker 1 yeah no but like dad does yeah you gotta yeah he's in the plumbing and eating business all right so perfect but he is like just think about that tommy there will be you know you people are joking on you right now you're being put in a terrible terrible spot but at some point enough time will pass that people will be like oh yeah remember tommy devito that was fun i love the fact that they're not even trying to put matt barkley in the game and if you look at matt barkley's Wikipedia page, at least earlier today, it listed him as being a former NFL quarterback.

Speaker 5 Even though he's been on, I think he's been on the team for like a week maybe. Yeah.
But they're not even thinking about him. They're saying next week, we're rolling with Tommy.
DeVito again.

Speaker 1 Tommy. Yeah,

Speaker 5 he's the so Italian, he is the tank top. Well, yeah, that's the best possible guy you can have to tank if you're the New York Giants.
Yeah, and

Speaker 1 the Giants had seven drive, their first seven drives, they had one first down. They didn't gain more than 17 yards until their ninth possession.

Speaker 1 Then Tommy DeVito did have two touchdown passes, but in the first half, the Cowboys had 28 points and the Giants had 27 yards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It wasn't good. And the Cowboys, even the Cowboys kind of came out a little slow.
Like, Dak threw a bad interception.

Speaker 1 But then there's nothing that the Cowboys like doing more than just beating the fuck out of bad teams. And Dak looked awesome.
He made great throws. Like, that is the Cowboy way.

Speaker 1 They've won 12 straight at home. This season alone, their

Speaker 1 scores at home is 170 to 50.

Speaker 1 170 to 50.

Speaker 5 It's pretty good. Everybody got involved.

Speaker 1 They're just beating the fuck out of teams.

Speaker 1 They beat the Giants this year 89 to 17.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't know what we can take away from this game for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 No, it's like more of the same.

Speaker 5 I think it's just like it adds to what we already thought about the Cowboys earlier.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys are just,

Speaker 1 if they play a bad team, take them every single day.

Speaker 5 I feel bad for Saquon Barkley. I feel so bad for him.

Speaker 5 Going into this game, he knew that it was just basically going to be him on offense, and then they were just going to hope that everything worked out.

Speaker 5 The game plan was like, get through this game without Saquon injuring himself somehow.

Speaker 5 And try to, like, they were down, I think, 28 to 0, and Saquon was just looking up at the scoreboard, just like, get me the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 It was sad to watch. It was sad to watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's, I mean, this game went.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 I know that, like, I'm a bad gambler, but I took the Cowboys today because I was like, this spread isn't enough. Yeah.
Like, it's not enough.

Speaker 5 I took the Cowboys. I took Tommy DeVito's under for passing yards, which was 157.5 somehow.

Speaker 1 Did he hit it? No. He hit the over.

Speaker 5 No, 86. He had 86.
He had 86 yards.

Speaker 5 Which is actually a pretty good game for Tommy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tommy. He had two touchdown passes.
Yeah. It's not bad.
He had.

Speaker 5 Two touchdowns, one interception.

Speaker 1 That's a good game. That's pretty good.
Yeah. That's pretty good for Tommy DeVito.
I'll say that.

Speaker 1 Oh, 175, I think, was their total yards. He did.
172.

Speaker 5 He no longer looked like the example of could you get a first down if you were put in as an NFL quarterback. Yes.
He looks serviceable at times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at times. And yeah, I think that the like the Cowboys,

Speaker 1 it'd be nice if they played in the BCS era. Yeah.
Because they score style points against these bad teams. Yeah, computer they do.

Speaker 5 Computer bumped them up in the rankings.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. All right, last

Speaker 1 Seahawks 29, Commanders 26.

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Speaker 1 PFT. Yes.
We think in Yoffs?

Speaker 5 Yoffs, I just got to, I got to switch around a couple games.

Speaker 1 Okay. You got to move some things around.
I got to move some things around.

Speaker 5 This one I had as a win in my spreadsheet in my head.

Speaker 5 So we just, you know what we have to do? We got to steal one. Got to steal one.
Now we have to steal one against the Dolphins. Got to steal one.

Speaker 5 So if we steal one against the Dolphins, then there's still a path there.

Speaker 5 I don't really have expectations for this team anymore.

Speaker 5 Like it seems like the Minnesota Vikings are good enough where I don't, I don't necessarily think that my original plan to get to nine wins would get us into the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 The Vikings might get nine or ten.

Speaker 5 We do have the tiebreaker over the Falcons, which is nice, though.

Speaker 1 But today won't come in handy.

Speaker 5 No, it's I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 That actually will hurt your draft.

Speaker 5 I know. I just read.
I read that was the one good thing that the commanders have done. So we do have that tiebreaker.

Speaker 5 It's okay to run the ball. I just want to say, for reference, Eric Bienami, it's okay to run the ball.
You can run the full game. It's Andy Reed system.

Speaker 5 It's the Andy Reed system where they use the running backs as an extension of the pass game, or I guess the short passing game is really an extension of the running game that they do.

Speaker 1 Which the short passing game works.

Speaker 5 It does work. And Brian Robinson had a great, great touchdown off that.

Speaker 5 Really, the two best plays of the day came off Sam House scrambling out of of the pocket, finding a running back, and then getting a big gain off it. Sam House, still the guy.
He's 100% the guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that touchdown drive at the end was awesome.

Speaker 5 He's great. He had 312 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions.

Speaker 5 He's not taking sacks like he used to. He got sacked three times today, but it's not as bad as it was in the past.
So he's learning. He's growing.
We've seen growth.

Speaker 5 I'm close to saying, like, I'm okay with tanking at this point, but the fact that we're in the hunt graphic,

Speaker 5 the in-the-hunt graphic fucks me up all the time because in the in-the-hunt graphic is a very powerful narcotic if you have a bad team and you should be rooting for them to tank to get a better draft pick.

Speaker 5 But you see that fucking in the hunt graphic and you think to yourself, well, we can make the playoffs. And listen, Pittsburgh Steelers, they won the Super Bowl as a wild card.

Speaker 5 Like it's happened before. It happens actually not that infrequently where you make a little run in the playoffs.
So you start deluding yourself and you think, fuck, I'm in the hunt.

Speaker 5 If I could just get out of the hunt and into the game, just give me a chip in a chair.

Speaker 5 It could happen in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 It doesn't really work out that way. And I should stop thinking about that.
But every time they put that fucking in the hunt graphic up, I want to win that game.

Speaker 1 You know, the Bears are one game behind the Commanders, and we have the tiebreaker.

Speaker 5 You're almost in the hunt.

Speaker 1 Just putting into perspective that the Commanders might be

Speaker 1 closer to the bottom.

Speaker 5 That sounds like some fuzzy math to me.

Speaker 5 There's no way.

Speaker 1 I just want to throw that out there.

Speaker 5 You're one game behind the Commanders.

Speaker 1 Come home.

Speaker 1 Come home. Did you see? Wait, wait, no.
I know. The In the Hunt always fucks me up.
If I'm in the hunt

Speaker 1 around Thanksgiving, it's like, let's fucking go, boys. Time to nut up.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All time.

Speaker 5 Counterpoint, big cat.

Speaker 5 Here's the in-the-hunt graphic. Are the bears on there?

Speaker 1 No, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 You're one more loss and a bears win away from being.

Speaker 6 This is before or after the loss.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 5 before the loss. We were the first one.
We were the first one in the hunt, though. We're at the top of the in-the-hunt.

Speaker 1 No, the in-the-hunt is my favorite graphic in the world. I just aspire to be in the hunt in Thanksgiving.
Yeah. Top of the end of the hunt, and I'm like, oh, yes.

Speaker 5 I'm also learning that

Speaker 5 the in-the-hunt graphic is actually bad.

Speaker 1 They've also,

Speaker 1 they've definitely made the in the hunt graphic bigger. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 they've put everyone in the hunt.

Speaker 5 They tried to rebrand it last year with a sniffing around. I like sniffing around and lurking.

Speaker 1 I do think Sam Howell was great, though.

Speaker 1 Do you think that they should have gone for two? Yes.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's the other thing. Like, Ron Rivera, you pussy.

Speaker 1 Riverboat Ron. No.

Speaker 5 Why has anybody ever called you that?

Speaker 5 I was screaming screaming at the TV, go for two. We're on the road.
Our defense sucked.

Speaker 1 The only reason I would say not to go for two there was there was a lot of time left.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but our defense sucked.

Speaker 1 No, I know. But like, I feel like you go for two when there's 10 seconds left.
It's like the game is over.

Speaker 5 It probably wouldn't have affected the outcome of this game because our defense was going to give up a drive to Geno Smith anyways. Who was great at the end? He was very good.

Speaker 1 Geno looked like, you know, I did have the theory that maybe I was too hard on Geno after he played the Ravens and the Browns.

Speaker 1 So Geno looked back to being

Speaker 1 okay. He looked, yeah, he looked okay.

Speaker 5 I think he looked pretty good today. Yeah.
And our defense was bad. Somehow you lose our two best pass rushers and you can't generate pressure on the quarterback.
It's weird when that happens.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the defense is really bad. Fire Jack Del Rio, fire Ron Rivera.
Ron Rivera is definitely a guy that's been mentally checked out for weeks. Just weeks.
He doesn't give a shit. Guess what?

Speaker 1 You're going to beat the Giants next week and you'll be even more in the hunt.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's the thing is we're now like nine and a half point favorites at home against the Giants, and so we win that game, and then we're back at the top of the in-the-hunt graphic.

Speaker 5 I want to win another game after that.

Speaker 1 And Cowboys.

Speaker 5 Then we got to steal one against the Dolphins. Yep.
And then anything can happen.

Speaker 1 Anything can happen.

Speaker 5 Then we got Schilling on the bump.

Speaker 1 Yep. Rams, Jets, who memes threw in the white towel.

Speaker 5 We're not out of it yet.

Speaker 1 You still do have to play the 49ers and Cowboys.

Speaker 5 We might steal one against the Cowboys, too.

Speaker 1 Played the Cowboys twice in the 49ers.

Speaker 5 But we might steal the last game against the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're not going to beat the Cowboys in Dallas because that's when they like to get their BCS rating.

Speaker 5 That's when they like to beat up on bad teams.

Speaker 1 No, it's not Thanksgiving. Wait, is it Thanksgiving? Yeah, it is Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 Oh, God. I got to watch the Commanders.

Speaker 5 We're going to win on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 We're going to steal one.

Speaker 5 We're going to steal one on the road, Thanksgiving. And then we're going to steal one against the 49ers.

Speaker 1 Narrator voice, they did not.

Speaker 5 Then we're going to steal one against the Dolphins.

Speaker 5 Then we're going to steal one against the Cowboys at the end of the season because the Cowboys will be already set in their playoff spot in week 18.

Speaker 1 They will.

Speaker 6 So I feel like if they lose in Thanksgiving, that's going to mean they're going to probably need to get another win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. You just kind of...

Speaker 5 We're going to tie him on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, they will have to play week 18.

Speaker 5 We're going to tie them on Thanksgiving, and then that tie will put them into the third spot, and they'll be locked in the third spot in the playoffs, and then they won't have to play week 18.

Speaker 1 And then don't let the Eagles see the Commanders.

Speaker 5 You don't want to see us three times.

Speaker 1 You do not want to see.

Speaker 5 It's hard to beat a team three times, Big Cat. Yep.

Speaker 1 Is that true? Max, you should be worried about that.

Speaker 10 I agree with PFT. I don't want to see the Commanders in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I'm the biggest Sam Howell believer out there.

Speaker 5 Thank you for the support. Sam Howell is now 4-1 lifetime against Super Bowl-winning coaches.
This being his first loss.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Pete Carroll.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Seahawks look good offensively. It's hard to say how much of that was just the Commanders' dog shit defense and how much was Seattle actually figuring something out.

Speaker 5 But yeah, credit to them. They're a good team.
Yeah, they are. I think the Seahawks are a good team.
That's a tough place to play.

Speaker 1 They're a good team that I don't think can win the Super Bowl. Yeah, I agree with that.
Let's do that real quick. Teams that can win the Super Bowl.
I was thinking about it another way

Speaker 1 because we obviously have friends on the show, and anytime they have a bad game, everyone's like, they're overrated.

Speaker 1 And there's certain quarterbacks that, like, I don't care if they have two, three bad games in a row. I'm not going to say that they're bad.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, like some of these quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Jared.

Speaker 5 Jared would never have three bad games in a row.

Speaker 1 These are the quarterbacks. I think they're pretty good.
Don't one game doesn't make it.

Speaker 1 Front of the program. If he plays against a good team.
All right. Teams that can win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Dolphins can't win the Super Bowl. Yes, they can.

Speaker 1 Do you think so? Yeah. Have they beaten any good teams?

Speaker 6 No, but they can. They can.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
My list is Kansas City, Baltimore, Cincinnati, in the AFC.

Speaker 5 I'm going to add one to that, big cat.

Speaker 1 I actually might add one, too.

Speaker 5 Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Speaker 1 I'm thinking we're going to say 3-2-1. Ready? 3-2-1.

Speaker 1 I was going to say Browns. Okay, Browns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I might add the Browns.

Speaker 5 Because Deshaun, like you said,

Speaker 5 if he's good, that defense is good enough. Defense wins championships.
People forget that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then in the NFC, I have an Eagles 49ers.

Speaker 1 Cowboys. No.

Speaker 5 Wait, have we actually determined that the Cowboys are officially frauds?

Speaker 5 Because that was a statement loss that they had.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they won that loss. They won that loss.

Speaker 5 They won the loss. Axe even admitted it.

Speaker 1 He's like, they shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 If the Eagles were

Speaker 1 honorable people, they would have given the Cowboys that win.

Speaker 5 If the Eagles were smart, they would have given that win because that way you give a false sense of confidence to your opponent and know you can beat them.

Speaker 1 Here are the teams the Dallas Cowboys have beaten this year: the New York Giants, the New York Jets, the New England Patriots, the Los Angeles Chargers, the Los Angeles Rams, the New York Giants.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 Not exactly Murderers' Row.

Speaker 5 Was that the Chargers without Austin Eckler?

Speaker 1 Might have been.

Speaker 1 They will have. They will have games that they can prove it, though.
They play the Eagles, Bills, Dolphins in a row, and Lions all in a row in December. So that will be...

Speaker 1 Actually, holy shit, their December schedule is Seahawks, Eagles, Bills, Dolphins, Lions.

Speaker 5 Commanders.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I'm talking about playoffs.

Speaker 1 That's five potential playoff teams right there. So, yeah,

Speaker 1 so we have four teams in the AFC

Speaker 1 and two teams in the NFC.

Speaker 14 Lions fans are going to be mad at you.

Speaker 1 Listen, I think the Lions are a great story. Their offense is incredible.
Their defense, they have to be able to stop someone. Maybe they figure it out.
They do have a lot of defensive talent.

Speaker 1 I just, you have to be able to see them stop someone.

Speaker 5 I think if you were to ask Lions fans truthfully right now, like,

Speaker 5 do you think this team could win the Super Bowl? They would probably say no. Yes.

Speaker 1 I guess there is a style.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they could, they, they could. They've been waiting for this season.

Speaker 5 No, I mean, they're having a great time. And I don't want to take anything away from the season because if you're a Lions fan, you should go to like every away game.

Speaker 5 You should throw parties during NFL Sunday. You should get on message boards and brag and like invade other teams' message boards and be like, fuck you, we're the Lions, we're not going anywhere.

Speaker 5 You should do all that stuff. But I also think that they know that the defense is not good enough right now to be able to beat the better teams in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is the right now, by the way. This could change.
There could be material changes.

Speaker 1 The Lions' defense, like I know that it's become an offensive league, but defense, you still need a very good defense.

Speaker 5 You do. Especially in the playoffs.
I don't know if that's true, but it's

Speaker 1 going to Philadelphia. Lions going to San Francisco.

Speaker 6 San Francisco, maybe not.

Speaker 1 Oh, you have the Philly. You have the Niners over the Eagles right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, okay.
Maybe the Lions can just outscore teams. If you outscore them, you win.

Speaker 5 It's true.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 5 score points. Jalen Hurts might not be healthy, so maybe the offense of the Eagles couldn't outscore the Lions.

Speaker 1 I'll put the Lions in a parentheses. Maybe the Lions and Browns.
That actually feels a perfect place for both of them. They're in our tickler file of could be.

Speaker 14 They also have an easy schedule coming up, so more wins could be on the the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 For 7-2 Detroit. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It'd be so good if the Steelers won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 The Lions, Lions, two Lions home playoff games would fucking rock. Man, that would rock.
I just want one. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 if they can keep winning games, it could get two. They get the two seeds.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but just imagine the pop that it's going to get.

Speaker 1 Yeah, big pop. It would run.
Thanksgiving's going to pop too. Yeah.
Thanksgiving is going to pop. Okay, let's finish up the show with Who's Back of the Week.
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Speaker 1 Okay, who's back of the week? Henry.

Speaker 6 I got a couple.

Speaker 5 Hank, you're so prepared.

Speaker 6 Thank you. We talked about the...
Oh, that's weird.

Speaker 1 Do we have the report?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's ready for Wednesday. Oh.

Speaker 1 Is it ready?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 6 I got to do a final look through.

Speaker 5 You just said it was ready for Wednesday.

Speaker 9 AWLs were very upset.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I apologize like seven times.

Speaker 1 That's not enough.

Speaker 14 The stop tactic usually works.

Speaker 5 You You think maybe your lack of preparation set the tone for the Patriots this weekend?

Speaker 6 Yeah, possibly.

Speaker 1 First one was. It's good that you were golfing all Friday night instead of working on your report.

Speaker 5 I thought Hank wasn't golfing on weekends.

Speaker 1 I was at work. We were streaming.
Yeah, you should have been working on your report.

Speaker 1 Okay. That the AWLs desperately want to see.

Speaker 5 Credit to Hank, he was dialed, though. You're playing pretty well.

Speaker 1 First one was

Speaker 6 Travis Scott and Taylor Swift. We talked about that.

Speaker 1 Travis who? Travis Scott and Tracy. Travis Scott.

Speaker 6 I'd imagine. Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift.
Talked about that already. Max in the doghouse.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, my God.

Speaker 10 Not in the doghouse. Not in the doghouse.

Speaker 1 It was so cute. Oh, my gosh.
I respect. It was so cute.
I respect love, and I respect the Kelsey family.

Speaker 6 My second one is Max Homa.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 He won the African World Cup of Golf.

Speaker 1 Fucking mess.

Speaker 1 I didn't even know there was golf being played this weekend.

Speaker 5 That's actually, more important than the tanks. It is.

Speaker 6 It's the road to the world tour event. Yeah.
Don't know how that was. How much did he make? Don't know that.

Speaker 1 Let's find out.

Speaker 6 But he had

Speaker 6 I mean, he put up an Instagram story where he was like, he was on just a bunch of people's shoulders. Like they were throwing him up in the air.

Speaker 14 Yeah, the locals were like doing some sort of ceremony. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was like crowdsurfing.

Speaker 1 What are they called?

Speaker 6 What's that called, Jake in a Jewish wedding? Is there a name for that?

Speaker 1 Well, there's the horror.

Speaker 6 It looked like he was doing the horror.

Speaker 14 That's when you go in the chairs.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he was basically doing that minus the chair. Like, they were just tossing him up in the air.

Speaker 14 He is a member of the tribe, so it's great.

Speaker 6 Great vibes all around. And then my last who's back of the week is more of just a gripe.
This is more of just

Speaker 6 something I want to get off my chest because it's going to keep coming up. I fucking hate the NBA mid-season tournament courts.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Hate them. Hate them.
Don't understand why they do it. They all look gross.
The Suns was one of the most disgusting courts I've ever seen.

Speaker 6 The Celtics court was like cool design-wise, but still, I'd rather just the traditional court.

Speaker 6 So, this is just going to be something that bothers me every time I turn on the NBA and they have these courts.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's like

Speaker 5 I don't mind the fact that they make me miss the wood. You know, like you watch one game and you're like, I really miss just the old-fashioned, the floor of Boston Garden.

Speaker 5 I missed looking at that natural stuff.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but it looks like you're watching like a

Speaker 6 WAC mid-conference, like a mid,

Speaker 6 like a random college basketball game.

Speaker 5 It does look beneath the NBA.

Speaker 6 Way beneath the NBA.

Speaker 5 So far beneath them.

Speaker 6 Well, I'll play games in China.

Speaker 14 Just to do like a mental calendar, it's only on Friday nights the next few weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I won't be watching.

Speaker 14 So if it's a Friday night until they go to Vegas, you'll be expecting that.

Speaker 6 All right, it's good to know that I can expect it, but yeah, it bothers me. Especially the Suns one.
Selects one wasn't terrible.

Speaker 6 Like the design was cool in theory, like what they did with it, but it's not as good as the regular court. The Sun's court was just an abomination.
It's like, yeah,

Speaker 5 when other college football programs started to do the different colored fields after Boise State, when Boise State had it, it's fun. It's like, oh,

Speaker 5 that's the blue field. Geese die on it every year.

Speaker 5 That was cool. And then once Western Washington comes out with like the blood red, Eastern Michigan has the gray where it looks like you're playing in Pleasantville, it gets to be a little bit much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd agree. That's it.

Speaker 14 We all stand together. Maxwell and just north of a million.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice. Oh, congrats.
You don't have to pay taxes on that either. This is in Africa.

Speaker 5 South Africa. Anything in state income tax.

Speaker 1 I don't have to. PFT, who's your who's back?

Speaker 5 My who's back of the week is James Harden.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 5 James Harden's back. He's playing with the Clippers.
The Clippers are now 0-4 with James Harden in the lineup for him. And he had a great quote.
Did you see his quote last week? No.

Speaker 5 They asked him if he was a system player

Speaker 5 because he was talking about his coaching in the past. And he said, I'm not a system player.
I am the system. Oh, hell yeah.
Which is a hell of a quote. Great quote.

Speaker 5 And then they went out and lost a couple games.

Speaker 5 So he is, I guess he's a system player. Like, say what you want about James Harden, but the man has been nothing but consistent

Speaker 5 throughout the years. That is a fact.

Speaker 5 His system is get to the foul line, annoy every dad that's watching the game, and then just kind of go home as soon as the season's over. Did you hear that?

Speaker 1 Clipper? There was a Clippers announcer that went viral that just ripped him.

Speaker 5 Oh, the Mavs announcer.

Speaker 1 The Mavs announcer. Yeah.
He was like,

Speaker 5 everyone gave you everything you want, and you're too dumb to realize that maybe you're the problem. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She was very right.

Speaker 1 Okay, my who's back is something I want us to do as a collective here.

Speaker 1 It's the Heisman race.

Speaker 1 We have a pretty big podcast, sports podcast. Maybe we could influence some people.
I think as a group, we should get behind Jaden Daniels plus 550. I agree.

Speaker 5 At the end end of the game on Saturday, I think he was at plus 900. And before that game, he was at like plus 2,000.

Speaker 1 I think we should get behind Jaden Daniels, make that bet, and try to bang on that drum.

Speaker 5 He is the best player in college football.

Speaker 1 He's the best player in college football.

Speaker 1 It's become a team award. He's the best player in college football.
You don't want to do it, Hank?

Speaker 1 I need a buy-in from everyone because what we have to do is basically propaganda stats of Jaden Daniels to get everyone in the world being like, did you know Jaden Daniels is actually better than everyone else?

Speaker 6 If Marvin Harrison Jr., if they beat Michigan, he's going to win it.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 5 Do you just want him to win the Heisman so that when you get him on the Patriots, you can be like Heisman trophy winner?

Speaker 1 No, I think what's going to end up happening is going to be the winner of the Bonix versus Michael Pennix in the Pac-12 Championship game.

Speaker 5 It could be, but Jaden Daniels is the best player in college football.

Speaker 1 I agree. That's what I'm saying.
We should do it.

Speaker 6 We saw the Ohio State. We saw that game up close and personal.
Ohio State quarterback is terrible.

Speaker 1 But why don't we do this?

Speaker 6 The Is putting up these numbers? I'm down. Why don't we do it?

Speaker 1 I just. As a team, as a group, as a collective.
I'm down. I'm doing it right now.

Speaker 5 You don't sound that down, Hank.

Speaker 6 I'm down. I'm just, I'm just being honest.
Before, you know, we're talking it out. Like you said, we're I want to do it, Big Gen.

Speaker 1 I'm just

Speaker 5 kicking myself because I had the bet locked in on Saturday night during the game. Oh, that sucks.
And then I didn't do it, and then the odds got so much better. Wait, so then we're not going to do it?

Speaker 1 No, no, I'll do it. I'll still do it.
I'll do it.

Speaker 6 My phone's out there. I'll still do it.

Speaker 1 Memes, Max, Jake.

Speaker 1 We can influence some people. I'll root for you guys.
Jake.

Speaker 1 Publicize it. Jaden Daniels is having an insane, insane season.
Tell you what. Best quarterback in the country.
Big Ket.

Speaker 6 We need a stats blog on Barstool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, every day.

Speaker 6 Case for why Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 5 Yes. Put Seth Hole on him.

Speaker 1 Every day. Pac-12 stats are inflated.
You could also go that route. Yep.
Yep. Two-point actions.
Two-point defense in the Pac-12. Yep.

Speaker 1 He's also, if you look at the past winners of the Heisman Trophy, he is the only one who compares to them. Like, Poe Nix and Michael Pennix do not have similar numbers in all the categories.

Speaker 1 Jayden Daniels has them and surpassed him in a lot of them.

Speaker 1 He has 38 total touchdowns. What does Michael Pennix have? We might have to start bashing Michael Penix.
Michael Pennix played at Indiana.

Speaker 5 Michael Pennix is a great quarterback.

Speaker 1 Michael Pennix also has Roma Dunze. Yes.

Speaker 1 There we go. Almost on the same level as Marvin Harrison Jr.
Look at this. Michael Pennix has 30 total touchdowns.
Jayden Daniels has 38.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 5 Tell you what, I'm going to ride with you on this.

Speaker 1 Michael Pennix, rushing yards? Guess what they are?

Speaker 1 A lot. Minus 27.

Speaker 5 Oh, no way. Because they do the stupid like stuff.
Yeah, because college stats, yeah. But you just said it's a team.

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels has 918. That's a lot more award.
But his defense thinks that's not his fault.

Speaker 5 Did you say it's a team award? It's not.

Speaker 6 You just said that. No,

Speaker 5 it's become a team.

Speaker 6 So they're going to give it to a

Speaker 6 QB who's lost versus a QB that's undefeated or a wider.

Speaker 1 They play Georgia State and Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 1 He's got to put up video game stats against Georgia State.

Speaker 5 I'm ready for it. I like that Hank is still the quarterback wins guy.

Speaker 1 I love the quarterback. I'm not.

Speaker 6 I'm just trying to, I'm talking it out with you using your own logic.

Speaker 5 You know what the problem is with the quarterback wins debate is somehow

Speaker 5 everybody that is anti-judging wins as a stat now says that Justin Herbert is the the best quarterback to ever play the game. Yeah.

Speaker 5 There is something to the quarterback win stat, but it's not everything. It's obviously not even that much of it.

Speaker 5 But Jayden Daniels is like the perfect test case of it where he's the best player in college football. His defense is just so bad.

Speaker 1 Let's get it going. It's incredibly bad.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 You can't hold a win against Jayden Daniels. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Let's get it going.

Speaker 1 Tell you what.

Speaker 6 I will lock in this bet.

Speaker 5 I'll make it my biggest bet of the season. And then we just

Speaker 5 if I can count on your support in the ongoing letter-writing campaign against the NCAA for James Madison.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to need you to explain it to me better than you explained it to me earlier. Not right now, but in private, and I will absolutely help you.
Okay. I 100% have your back.

Speaker 1 Jake, finish us off.

Speaker 14 First off, I would like to correct myself. So the NBA season sermon is Tuesdays and Fridays.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 14 They double tried the first week because it was Election Day, so there were no games.

Speaker 14 But Tuesdays and Fridays through November.

Speaker 1 It's also such a hassle. Like, think about the fucking poor people at these arenas.

Speaker 6 Like, you think they give a fuck about the in-season tournament? They have to switch out the hardwood every, like, every other day.

Speaker 14 A lot of them are doing it for hockey anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference.

Speaker 1 Still, still not right. Wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 14 Like, most of these arenas are changing over. from hardwood to ice no matter what.

Speaker 5 What about New Orleans?

Speaker 1 Yeah. The Smoothie King.

Speaker 5 The good people down at the Smoothie King arena. They have to do so.

Speaker 6 I think about the people, and I would imagine that there's some annoyance of like we have now three courts

Speaker 6 factoring. Agreed.

Speaker 14 My who's back is Coach K.

Speaker 14 He returned to Cameron Indoor for a big game for Duke against Arizona.

Speaker 1 I thought he wasn't going to games.

Speaker 14 And they lost. Huh.

Speaker 5 He looks so unhappy. That's interesting.

Speaker 14 Kaylee Love transferred to Arizona after eliminating Coach K in his final season and balled out and waved bye to Cameron Crazies.

Speaker 5 Hank, did you see how pissed off he looked?

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 5 Whole crowd was cheering for him. His wife, looking great as ever, staying next to him, trying to amp the people up.
Coach K just looked like he'd rather be anywhere else.

Speaker 5 Huh. It was interesting.
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 Let the guy live.

Speaker 14 Duke is here in Chicago tomorrow. Champions class.
Huh.

Speaker 5 Who are they playing?

Speaker 1 It's Duke, Kansas, Michigan State.

Speaker 1 And they play at Michigan State.

Speaker 14 It's the four blue bloods.

Speaker 1 Why was Coach K there, Hank?

Speaker 5 Izzo lost his blue blood.

Speaker 1 Explain that, Hank.

Speaker 6 Why was the coach at the place where he has a court named after him watching one of their biggest games of the year? He's not the coach in Talk.

Speaker 6 Former coach. I mean, it's Coach K court.

Speaker 5 Was he at the game or something? Here's a question.

Speaker 6 Fact or fiction, alumni return to their schools all the time to watch big games.

Speaker 1 Not when they say they'll never do it. When did he say that? What's the last time? He said that last time.

Speaker 5 Okay, I've just got a random quote pulled up here from Coach K.

Speaker 5 Per John Rothschen. Coach Kay tells me that he does not plan to

Speaker 1 do that. Any big games.
Ha ha!

Speaker 1 Ha ha!

Speaker 1 Suck on that, bitch.

Speaker 6 I mean, you guys are just like, you guys are grasping that stuff.

Speaker 5 He doesn't want to be a distraction for John Schair.

Speaker 1 So he says he's

Speaker 1 shire. We could have used this time instead of talking about Coach K, to go over the Lighthouse, but we don't have that presentation.

Speaker 1 You asked for Wednesday, and Max is in the doghouse, and memes is not the alpha.

Speaker 5 But Hank, you said that it was going to be done on Thursday.

Speaker 6 I could present it right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, you could? Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 Do you want me to? No, we'll wait for Wednesday. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 5 That was an all-time

Speaker 5 stalemate right there. Hank, he's like, please don't call my bluff.
And then Big Cat was like, I don't want to call his bluff and have him do like a bullshit presentation that's halfway done.

Speaker 5 I couldn't present it. It's not done.

Speaker 1 It's not done. All right.
Numbers.

Speaker 14 18.

Speaker 1 8.

Speaker 6 17.

Speaker 1 72.

Speaker 5 Big ocho. Show me the ocho.
29.

Speaker 1 29 for pug.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are. I heard you.
29 for pug. 20.

Speaker 1 20 for memes. Oh, that was max.
Max.

Speaker 1 3. 3 for memes.
Shane? 10.

Speaker 1 95

Speaker 14 95 a lot of high numbers in this emission

Speaker 5 love you guys

Speaker 1 in the building

Speaker 1 Talking away.

Speaker 1 I'm not one about to say or take it anyway.

Speaker 1 Today is a moment

Speaker 1 to find you. Shine away.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've been coming for your love of king.

Speaker 1 Shine away.

Speaker 1 be coming for your love of king?

Speaker 1 Needless to say,

Speaker 1 I won't be singing.

Speaker 1 Somebody

Speaker 1 sound

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 Sheridan, but deserve.

Speaker 1 Things that I can say

Speaker 1 is in love

Speaker 1 just to play my worrying way.

Speaker 1 You are things I've got to remember.

Speaker 1 Even shine away.

Speaker 1 Love you coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 it on

Speaker 1 the coming field, when it lights

Speaker 1 on,

Speaker 1 take the morning.

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 love

Speaker 1 of me

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 meet on me