Cowboys Legend Daryl "Moose" Johnston, Greg Maddux, Preseason Week 2 Hot Takes And The Mt Rushmore Of "Wait That Guy Played For That Team?"

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have a twofer for the people. We have an awesome, awesome football interview with Daryl Johnston, Moose Johnson,

Speaker 1 talking Cowboys heyday, talking calling games, what he's expecting of this season. Great, great.
The fullback position, great interview. We have also Mad Dog Greg Maddox.
Recurring guest.

Speaker 1 He didn't remember the first time he was on, but that's okay because we love talking to him, talking a little baseball. We're covering everything today.

Speaker 1 We also have the Mount Rushmore of wait, that guy played for that team,

Speaker 1 which should be fun. We're gonna do who's back, talk a little preseason ball.
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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take. Today is Monday, August 21st.
And football's back. Big time back.
Big time back, baby. We got a lot of preseason games where no one's starting.

Speaker 1 It has become preseason week two is preseason week four. You have to establish who the winners and losers of each preseason week were.
I've got two winners for you. Okay.

Speaker 1 Actually, three. One, Miles Jack, because he retired.
Yep. He's just like, fuck this.
I don't feel like going to training camp anymore.

Speaker 1 I'm out. I might be a plumber.
Yeah, he said I was thinking about being an electrician or a plumber, and then I decided to maybe come to training camp, and now I'm out. He's going to be on TaskRabbit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm going to be able to get him over to your house, fix your toilet.
I would say he's a winner.

Speaker 1 Will Anderson, just because he had an awesome play where he blew up running back, sacked the quarterback, got a fumble. That was cool to see.
And then Kenny Pickett. Yes.
Two touchdown drives.

Speaker 1 Diced them up. Diced them up.
The best handoff I've ever seen for that 66-yard run. Jalen Warren, who's very who looks.
Is there a running back controversy in Pittsburgh? There might be.

Speaker 1 I think there is. So Kenny Pickett, I think the small hands might actually make him the best handoff quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 1 That throw to Friar Muth and then Friermuth hitting the dab. Steelers look ready to go.
Steelers are my surprise team. No one's talking about the Steelers.
We are.

Speaker 1 I'm always thinking about the Steelers.

Speaker 1 I'm judging my week two preseason hot takes based on clips I saw on Twitter. Yeah,

Speaker 1 exactly. You want to come with my hat takes? I got the Will Anderson thing from.
Yeah. All right, so here are my hot takes.
Trey Lance sucks. He doesn't even know how to play football.

Speaker 1 You could watch that on any variety of platforms and come to the same conclusion. Yes, that he,

Speaker 1 it sucks for him because, again, I didn't watch the whole game, so maybe he played well for a little bit. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But the one clip of him throwing, just standing there with no pressure while guys were open, feeling pressure that wasn't there, and then misthrowing it. That was a bad luck.

Speaker 1 He might become the new Tebow where people just like stake out practices, find one bad throw, and then it goes viral.

Speaker 1 And also that one, you remember that he missed by like 15 feet over the guy's head, the coach's head? Yeah, and everyone's like, well, this is Kyle Shannon. He's going to unlock the offense.

Speaker 1 He can throw vertical. Brock Purdy is back.
Yeah. So good for Brock Purdy.
If they even got hit a little bit.

Speaker 1 If they didn't hit on Brock Purdy, if the 49ers didn't find that pot of gold at the end of the draft, people would be talking about John Lynch.

Speaker 1 They'd be like, John Lynch gave up a lot of picks for Trey Lance. Yeah.
Not working out. He did.
My other one is Bijan Robinson is the best running back of all time.

Speaker 1 That was a great, great performance by him. That's he's a clip monster.
Everyone's like, look at this. It's just Bijan finding.
And also,

Speaker 1 I am part of Brysis, but I think Bryce Young more because the talent around him, that was tough for him. It was tough.
He did not look good. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm a Stroud boy. And I'm in Bryce Young.
You can be in. Sam Howell looks here.
You'd be the Haliban. Yeah.
I'm also rooting. I'm rooting for.

Speaker 1 Hey, Shane, make a Photoshop of Sam Howell in a Taliban con. Yeah, yeah.
I'm also rooting against Bryce Young this year because the Bears have the Panthers pick, but I am a Bryces guy. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's so funny. You just like, when you hear that, I think like, oh, it gets into ISIS.
Yeah, no, I am. I'm big time into Bryce.
Yeah. Who else is there?

Speaker 1 Daniel Jones, Dantifa? Dan Tifa. Is there Dan Tifa? Jonestown.
Yeah, Jonestown.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jones Believer in Jonestown. Okay, we'll think of some other ones.
Yeah. But yeah, that was my...
Bryce Young's going to be in trouble. He doesn't have a lot of help.

Speaker 1 Turns out DJ Moore was probably what a young quarterback needs. Yeah, it's kind of nice.

Speaker 1 Is he the leading receiver in Bears history right now? I think he would be. Yeah, some more.

Speaker 1 Crazy stat. We had a preseason score of Gami.
Yeah. 18-18.
18-18. Doesn't count.
Can't get excited. No, but it's preseason for scoreigamis, too.

Speaker 1 He was tweeting the kicker was Instagramming highlights during halftime. Who? And then he missed two kicks.
Who was? I think it was the Bears kicker. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Kate York. Cade York was doing it.
LSU legends. He was Browns.
Yeah, he was Sherry. Oh, it's Browns.
Don't do that to me. I don't know.
Yeah, he's just like, oh, bad kicker.

Speaker 1 Bears tie, or the Bears lost to the Colts. Yeah, no one played.
And so

Speaker 1 on either side. Except for Tyson Badgent.
I don't know if I say his name right.

Speaker 1 He played quarterback after PJ Walker. Division II Shepard University all-time touchdown leader.
Love Shepherd University. There might be, Bears might have too many good quarters.

Speaker 1 I knew a lot of guys that dropped out of WVU that ended up going to Shepard University. Oh, this guy

Speaker 1 is awesome. Yeah.
But yeah, it sucks like getting, I was like, on Saturday, I was like, oh, nice. Bears play tonight.
Gonna watch at least the first quarter.

Speaker 1 And then I realized, wait, no one's playing. This sucks.
Yeah, I'm amped up for Monday Night Football. Yeah, who's playing? It's the Commanders and the Ravens.
Oh, Ravens. So

Speaker 1 the Ravens.

Speaker 1 Bet the Ravens. Thank you, Jake.
I'm going to bet the Ravens.

Speaker 1 Tokate, R.I.P. are sweet prince.
Lolita, the killer whale. I actually did a moment of silence before my anthem on Friday night.
Did you? Yeah, the whole wheeling, West Virginia was very confused.

Speaker 1 She passed away. The Colts are 1-0 against the spread after Lolita dies.
And you know what's the worst part about this? Hank is so happy. He's so happy that this poor killer whale died.
Well,

Speaker 1 if you were a conspiracy theorist, you'd think that Jim Urce knew that this whale was going to die and said, I'm going to, tell you what, I know I'm in the news for some hot water stuff with Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 1 I'm going to transport this killer whale across the country and then it just died. We should have matched it.
Yeah, let's match.

Speaker 1 Let's match.

Speaker 1 I will match the next orca that gets transported by Jim Ursa. I will help fund if we want to

Speaker 1 do

Speaker 1 cremation of Toki Tay, Lolita, and then put it in the Pacific Ocean. I will help.

Speaker 1 Is there a giant toilet that they have there at SeaWorld? Yeah, I was gonna say, do you guys feel partially responsible? Like, I think part of it was no, the plan was gonna work.

Speaker 1 The stress of telling Lolita that she had to get on a plane. Do you think she's an AWL? She just took, she's like, wait, I'm flying? Yeah, I've never flown before.

Speaker 1 I can't fit in a fucking plane. She knew that.
It's probably you, Hank. It's probably, you probably scared the shit out of her because you're like, there's no way that that's going to work.

Speaker 1 That's true. We were very positive.
We're like, this is going to be great. She's going to get to see her family.

Speaker 1 She's going to live in the wild for the rest of her life or at least like 15 acres worth of wild ocean. She was doomed.

Speaker 1 doomed and then well she missed out very sad hurricane hillary yeah hill dog coming back put another one on the list la freaking out there was actually a bunch of people just tweeting uh universal studios clips of like different rides that have flooding yeah then actual media members being like can i use this on the broadcast i i absolutely love that is there any reason why people ask is it okay if i use this video i don't know it's part of the protocol i tweeted the the shark on the highway and i was like everyone please please use it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so somebody sent that to me. I didn't tweet because I was on a plane and a couple was breaking up.
So I was paying attention to them.

Speaker 1 Okay, so also Teddy Bridgewater wearing number 50 as a replacement number is weird. I hate it.
This might be an old man take, but it's crazy. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 Is he going to wear that in the regular season or just preseason? If he makes the team, I think he'll get another one. Devin Montgomery has number five right now.
That's so strange. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the last thing I wanted to say. It all started when we said wide receivers could wear teens.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was so much better when they wore those boxes. It ruined everything.

Speaker 1 It ruined everything. A nice 88 on a skinny receiver, making them look just fat as shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Last thing was Jordan Love had a throw that made me nervous. What's that? We don't talk about that, but if we're doing clips and I'm being honest, oh, Zach Wilson.
Oh, yeah, Zach Wilson. Yeah, memes.

Speaker 1 Did you watch the Jets? Yeah, Zach Wilson. Thank you, Hank, for finding something else to talk about there.
Yeah. Appreciate that.
I was just telling you, I mean, I was being honest.

Speaker 1 That was very unbiased of me to be like, here are all the clips I saw. I did see a clip that got me nervous.
Yeah. Zach Wilson, it's tough to grade Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 Well, on a scale, well, we're grading him on the Zach Wilson scale. He had a perfectly Zach Wilson performance.
He's also the quarterback of the future.

Speaker 1 Did you see Aaron Rodgers say that? He's like, I'm just here for a little bit, going to help out the team. And then Zach Wilson for the next 15 years.
15? Yeah, 15. That's a lot of years for him.

Speaker 1 I mean, that would actually make, I think if, I'll say this right now, if Aaron Rodgers makes Zach Wilson a 15-year starter in the NFL, he is the greatest quarterback of all time. That's very true.

Speaker 1 Like, that would be that is way more impressive than winning a Super Bowl, any MVP. To make Zach Wilson a 15-year starter, that would be the greatest quarterback of all time.

Speaker 1 Do you think that Aaron Rodgers is going to get into coaching after he's done? He seems like he likes the coaching sports. He's a great dude.
Yeah. So, why not? I think he will.

Speaker 1 He loves people. I think he will.
He loves just being around people. He needs to be able to hug all his boys every week.
Yeah, call them fat as shit.

Speaker 1 All right. Other things.
The Ryder Cup looks like it's official. Congrats, Max.
Max? Well, the first six are officially locked in. Brooks, though, is now out.
Well, Brooks is going to get

Speaker 1 captains. Was it a captain's pick?

Speaker 1 He should be a captain. If he's not, then I'm going to disavow the U.S.
Ryder Cup team. Yeah.
I'm going to have to. Yeah.
He'll get it. And also, Victor Hovelin had like the round, the back nine of

Speaker 1 you buried the lead. Max Homa set the course record

Speaker 1 on Friday. But Max Homa set the course record on Friday.
Set it. The shortest lasting course record ever in the the history of the beaten

Speaker 1 championship. Yeah.
It was amazing. And yeah, Homa's on the on the Ryder Cup team.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited about that. I can't wait for the Ryder Cup.
It's coming home. It's coming homa.
I thought Victor Hovlin had way more of an accent. That shocked me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. Yeah.
Victor Hovlin, he's the guy that he's on Man City, right? Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
No, he goes in Saudi Arabia now with

Speaker 1 Raheem Sterling. Got it.

Speaker 1 That was talking soccer.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
We did have a soccer final. We did.
Spain.

Speaker 1 I thought you were saying Messi.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.
Well, Messi's a goat, and we all know he's a goat, and he just keeps proving that he's. Was he have 10 goals in seven games in the MLS? He's the best ever.

Speaker 1 Some people are saying MLS is rigged that they brought Messi over and they're letting him score all these goals because there's no way that the professional league can be that bad where Messi just steps in and dominates, right?

Speaker 1 That's not a possibility. I don't know if you've ever watched MLS before, but I think it is definitely a possibility.
The shootout was awesome. It went to like...
Wait, it was a shootout?

Speaker 1 It went to a shootout. Which one? The Messi or the finals? The Messi.
Okay. Not the women's finals.
Not the women's finals. This one went to a shootout.

Speaker 1 The Messi finals went to a shootout, and every player shot. So the goalies had to come in for the last shot.
And Messi's goalie drilled his, and then the other goalie got his block.

Speaker 1 That was pretty cool, though.

Speaker 1 Rules. Yeah, the women.

Speaker 1 Spania, right?

Speaker 1 I was abstaining from the Women's World Cup after the U.S. got bounced.
That's not, it has nothing to do with misogyny. I just root for my country, and then I'm out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I tried to see how long I could go without finding out who won. I left the golf on for a little too, like the TV on, and I found out Spain won one nothing.
John Robbins pumped.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they showed just a bunch of sad English fans. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They can't win anything. They can't win.
I can't win anything in the Women's World Cup. I won't 0 for 14.
That's beautiful. 0 for 14.

Speaker 1 That's impossible to do.

Speaker 1 That's so hard to do. And you didn't even get to watch them.
I didn't.

Speaker 1 You just lost sleep best. I watched the last 10 minutes of the finals this morning.
I woke up early and watched it just just because I was like, surely one has to go in.

Speaker 1 I know less about women than any other person on the planet. Verified.
Yeah, that's true. Don't get them.
Don't understand him. Max.
Hey, Max.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 1 Anyone mentioned titty fucking to you this weekend?

Speaker 1 I mean, that was tough.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess that's the new thing that people are just saying to me in the streets. But why was it tough?

Speaker 1 How do they say it? And why was it tough this weekend? Well, normally, I mean, they say it, and they're like, you were right about titty fucking.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 there were lots of Cubs. I went to the Cubs game with my mom and my dad.
Oh,

Speaker 1 and there was about five different guys who came up to me and be like, yo, you were right about titty fucking man.

Speaker 1 My mom was just so upset with me.

Speaker 1 At one point, my mom was like, wait, wait, did your dad disagree? She was mad at you because you're wrong about titty fucking man. No.
Also, was your dad like, no, no, he's wrong?

Speaker 1 My dad doesn't say anything.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's some other big news on the pod. Yeah.
I don't know if we want want to get this out of the way right now off the top. Oh, he's going to be a little bit more.

Speaker 1 The paintball video came out on Thursday night.

Speaker 1 And Jake the Snake, best in the office, a true alpha, shot Hank in the back after Hank made Jake surrender in the corner. Now, Jake, do you...
There is a technicality you could lean on here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a few things. What's your spin? I have a spin for you.
Yeah. Well, one, in the moment, I told Hank this.
Billy was right there yelling things. I thought Billy was the one who said it.

Speaker 1 Fog of war.

Speaker 1 It's a fog of war. I said surrender.
Everyone should go watch the video. Jake and Blackwater have the same excuse.
Okay. Okay.
So I thought he was talking to me. Okay.
And then I said, okay.

Speaker 1 So I thought I was on my own. The got you was the best part.
Got you. I did not think it was Hank who said that.
It's the funniest video.

Speaker 1 Hank just turned around.

Speaker 1 Shout out to paintball hard ones. He's like, you guys suck at paintball.
No shit. Yeah, we're awful at paintball.
Yeah. I lost a lot of sleep.
I had a lot of regrets and I just feel terrible. Okay.

Speaker 1 So you're not going going to use a technicality because I have one for you. Well, you think it was longer than 10 feet? No.
Well, what's yours? Hank said surrender. You just said okay.

Speaker 1 You didn't say surrender. Yeah, I never said the word surrender.
That was the whole thing. Technically, he never said surrender.
He said okay, right. Okay.
But he didn't say surrender. I also.

Speaker 1 There's no way you thought Billy said it. Billy was right there.
There's no one. I swear on my life.
But why would Billy

Speaker 1 kill you?

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Well, we're going to have to kill you because you didn't hit a hole in one.

Speaker 1 Why would Billy be telling you to surrender if he was on your team? No, I thought he was just saying it. And you didn't know you said the words okay? No, I knew I said okay.
You didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 You thought that Billy surrendered to Hank. But then you said I didn't say anything.
But then why? Why would you be doing that?

Speaker 1 That's a good point by. I said I didn't say anything as in, I didn't say surrender.

Speaker 1 But you said okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I said surrender and you said okay.
If Jake's lying, kill him. Kill me in the back.
You better kill him because otherwise, once you turn around, I'll shoot you. Yeah, I mean, mean, I've got it.

Speaker 1 Got you.

Speaker 1 This is. Got you.
I've lost a lot of shooting.

Speaker 1 We got you. It's so good.
It's so good. Because that's not genuine enough to act like, to be like, I didn't know what was going on.
Also, I said something beforehand.

Speaker 1 It didn't make the final cut, but I said, I'm very uncomfortable with this gun. Get it out of my hand.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when my gun jammed, there was a part in the video where my gun jammed. I'm like, Jake, give me your gun.

Speaker 1 I despise that, but I'm glad everyone else. Well, I guess we've got to play it again then.
Great.

Speaker 1 Jake, listen, on this show, we all have some very bad visuals that get out there. So

Speaker 1 it's your turn.

Speaker 1 I looked like a Balkans warlord. Did you see how fat I looked? People were treating me that picture with the freshly shaven mustache.
I was just standing there.

Speaker 1 So I've apologized to Hank in the moment. I apologize again.
I feel terrible. Like, it ruined my weekend, but we move forward.
I'm sorry, Jake.

Speaker 1 It's funny because in a video that was just filled with clips of Billy being a ridiculous asshole and lying his ass off about everything.

Speaker 1 I took the bullet for him. No pun intended.
Yeah, you had. I took the bullet for him.
Billy still remains unshot.

Speaker 1 Got you. But Billy is also

Speaker 1 being like, I haven't been shot at all today.

Speaker 1 I've never been more mad, I think. I know.
That clip did make it where Billy was like, I haven't been shot at all today. And he's just covered in paint and bruises.

Speaker 1 He's like, well, I don't feel it because the adrenaline.

Speaker 1 I was also so excited because me hitting hank was like the only time the whole day that i actually hit someone you fired me i got you so i was like got you i was like yes i finally i did it i think i maybe hit pft one other time but besides that i was just it was not my you are like that guy from from saving private ryan that just hides in the corner yeah holding the machine gun yeah i just

Speaker 1 got you got you watching paintball videos

Speaker 1 so funny there's glad we can all laugh at it now oh jake you might you might have have to note sap it. There's only one way out of this, and that's writing a very sincere, heartfelt note sapp.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was wondering why we weren't saying anything

Speaker 1 online all weekend. Or I just

Speaker 1 shut down. Hank can shoot Jake with a paintball gun.
Fine. Literally as many shots as you want.
Oh, that's unlimited shots. You should take that.

Speaker 1 Hank's shaking his head because he knows that right now he has the upper hand on Jake, and he holds all the cards. I mean, at some point, I'm going to have to cash that in.
Please do. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 Deserve it. We could build a paintball course in the new office.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'll just walk up when he doesn't see me and just shoot him. Shoot him.
Say, got you.

Speaker 1 Got you. It's so funny.

Speaker 1 Jake, I had one other sports thing. Your Yankees are the most abysmal team of all time.
I had him in my who's back. All right, well, let's do who's back.
We can talk about it then.

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Okay, who's back of the week? Hank. Uh, my who's back of the week?

Speaker 1 I had death for Lolita, rest in peace.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 1 Also, Sugar Sean.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Knocked him out. Didn't this, you know, I never considered myself to be a, what do you call it? What do you call a UFC head? A fist head?

Speaker 1 Also a seam head. Yeah.
Stitch head. Yes, stitch head.

Speaker 1 Grapplers. The bantam belt?

Speaker 1 Bantam weight? Bantam weight.

Speaker 1 You've never heard bantam?

Speaker 1 Didn't know that was the belt. The bantam man? It was like he's the belt.
He won the belt. And I was like, what belt? Well, there's different weight classes.
I didn't have never heard a class class.

Speaker 1 You thought that it was the Bantam man.

Speaker 1 I had never seen that bad motherfucker belt. I was like,

Speaker 1 you'd never seen Bantam weight? No. Okay.
Who are some other? I don't know. I don't know.
So, who's back? Bantam. Bantam.
Bantam. Bantam back.
The national bantam.

Speaker 1 Like I said, I never, never, never said I was a C. You know who rocks is Zhang.
Was that her name? Zhang?

Speaker 1 The woman that fought in the co-main event. That chick is terrifying.
She is a fucking assassin.

Speaker 1 She just destroyed that Brazilian girl for like five rounds non-stop. Shout out to her for not tapping.
But

Speaker 1 that was just an ass whooping. Her punch was so loud.
Like that one that she had, that straight punch that was just, it was so loud that came across TV.

Speaker 1 It's like, holy fuck, how's she not getting knocked out? But yeah, the Bantam.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I haven't heard a lot of these other Bantam besides Peter Yan.

Speaker 1 Hank, some would say that by putting death as who's back of the week, bad news for Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, about to die. Friend of the program.
He did win. Take the award winner for still alive, person of the year.
Still alive. Colin Coward would be like, that guy's not going to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Lolita will never win a Super Bowl. That's sad.
But she should get a ring. Should absolutely get a ring for participating in this season.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 PFT year, who's back?

Speaker 1 So I was going to do the Yankees as well, but I think

Speaker 1 we should let Jake cook on that because I feel like it's closer to his heart. But I will say that I love the idea of a players and managers only meeting, which is what Aaron Boone had with the team.

Speaker 1 Also known as practice. You might call it practice.
Some people call it practice. Yep.
So they had a meeting, and then Aaron Boone was like, what did he say? We're a bunch of sick animals out there.

Speaker 1 Always what you want to hear from your manager.

Speaker 1 Some people are saying he should be fired. I think he's handling the season with such class, and I'm friends with a lot of Yankee fans.

Speaker 1 I think they should extend Aaron Boone. I think he's the steady hand.

Speaker 1 I think Aaron Boone is a steady hand that the Yankees need to control their franchise because it's not about one game. It's never about one game in baseball.
It's a long season.

Speaker 1 It takes time to turn a team around. Aaron Boone has only begun to implement a system.
Extend Aaron Boone. The crazy thing is, I don't think Jake would probably touch on this is the

Speaker 1 only reason he's the manager is because he hit one walk-off home run in a season that they didn't even win the World Series. It's true.
Wow. Yeah.
It was one of the more iconic.

Speaker 1 Oh, and tours ACL and got from A-rod. But they didn't win.
Playing basketball? Didn't he tear ZL playing basketball?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It was a pretty good home run, though. Yeah.
I think he tore his ACL playing basketball. That's how A-Rod became a Yankee.
Well, without that home run, that was the start of the championship DVD.

Speaker 1 Literally. Yes.
It actually was. Yeah.
So you should want him.

Speaker 1 No, it makes sense. No, you should want him

Speaker 1 for the Yankees. I do.

Speaker 1 I think most people do. Vote of confidence.
Like, this guy's a complete disaster. Why is he even the manager? Oh, he hit one home run.
Please make a graphic for us, memes.

Speaker 1 Vote of confidence. Part of my take gives official vote of confidence for both Aaron Boone and Brian Cole.
Majority of them.

Speaker 1 Okay, I think. Majority of this.
I think majority of them. Means put in like, yeah, we official vote of confidence.
They should extend both of them. Yes.

Speaker 1 Stability is the most important part of baseball. It is.
Their longest losing streak since I've been alive. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's tough. Yeah.
Well, you're going to die soon because you lied about that paintball video. Okay.

Speaker 1 You said it. No, I said if.

Speaker 1 And you lied. Oh, I didn't.
Got you. No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 Aaron Boone did say the turnaround is coming, though.

Speaker 1 The turnaround is coming, and then Jake's going to shoot it in the back. They have never finished under 500 since I've been alive.
That might change this year. Okay.
So, yeah, total dumpster fire.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Judge's injury. He's back now, but

Speaker 1 they're just not a good baseball team. They're awful.

Speaker 1 I think the Tigers have a better chance to make the playoffs right now than them. Since Hal Steinbrenner said he's confused why fans are upset, they're 20 and 30.

Speaker 1 And since Brian Cashman said they're in it to win it, they're 5-12.

Speaker 1 And Aaron Boone said at this point in the season, his job is to go in and tell them: remember why you play baseball. Remember how much fun you had playing baseball as a kid.

Speaker 1 That's always a great part of the season.

Speaker 1 I believe Aaron Judge is a Jordan athlete now, though. That's true.

Speaker 1 And he took the picture with the single ring that's not even a ring.

Speaker 1 That's who approved it. That's the saddest picture that I've ever seen.
Ever.

Speaker 1 What is he holding? What ring is it? It's a Jordan brand ring. It's not even like an all-star game?

Speaker 1 No, it's a Jordan brand ring. It's a home run derby ring.
Yeah. That's very sad.
Yeah, it's not the

Speaker 1 second runner or no, what it, third runner up for all-time home runs in a season. Yeah.
It should be more. No, I think it's way more.
It's actually a fifth.

Speaker 1 It's the we lost the Astros in a cheating year ring. Yeah.
Is what he's holding up.

Speaker 1 It's sad to see as Yankees fans on this podcast. You have the pinstripes.
It's sad to see what's become of our beloved franchise. See, if I were Aaron Boone, I'd give them more pinstripes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just to remind them what they're playing for. I like that.
That's a good idea. Walk in and double the pinstripes.
Can you take away all the players' pinstripes during a season?

Speaker 1 It's like Coach K did it with the massive D on the chest. You have to wear way jerseys at home.
Yeah, Max would love that. He hates Ds on chess.

Speaker 1 It's actually

Speaker 1 a really good thing for the future of the Yankees. Because if they were good again, they'd go to the ALCS and get swept by the Astros.
Now, it ensures that's loser talk. No, it's not.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 It's great loser talk. I love the Yankees fan.
You should be winning championships every year. Command excellence.
Okay. Every year.
But if you lose to the

Speaker 1 Astros one year in the ALCS, you should go back the next year and beat them. Right, but they've tried that and they failed.
So how do you fix the

Speaker 1 fix the Yankees?

Speaker 1 10 words or less. Get your favorite player back.

Speaker 1 Fire everyone

Speaker 1 and build around Aaron Judge.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What? I don't know if you want to build around Aaron Judge. He's like 32, isn't he? They just signed into a mega deal.
I know. That was a mistake.
No, I mean, he was hurt, but he's still playing well.

Speaker 1 Trade Aaron Judge. How old is Aaron Judge? He's a big guy, too.
They don't age well. I think he's

Speaker 1 31.

Speaker 1 That swing's not built for long. He's going to be 32 before next season.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And he's got like 14 years left on his contract. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What they're going to do is they're going to run the same team back, and they're going to get Shohei.

Speaker 1 Judge Onozani. Yeah.
There's going to be like Judge Otani Stanton. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jean-Carlo's been

Speaker 1 very bad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really hustling around third base. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's maybe the funniest clip of all time. Yeah, it's been a disaster.
So we'll see. I don't know.

Speaker 1 We'll see if they actually

Speaker 1 fire Boone. I can't look at you the same way after that paintball video.
I'm sorry. Something's changed forever.
Got you.

Speaker 1 My who's back is Dick Bigger Jr.

Speaker 1 He's back. I don't know if you guys remember Dick Bigger Jr.
from the last election cycle. He is a farmer from Illinois, from Biggsville, Illinois.

Speaker 1 And he just likes getting his baseball signed by politicians. So he was at the Illinois State Fair and he got his baseball signed by Governor Pritzker.
And I think he's got one from Obama. He's just

Speaker 1 Dick Bigger Jr. That's a great name.
That's his real name? Yes. And his father was Dick Bigger Jr.
Dick Bigger Jr. And his mom was Dixie Bigger.
Dick Bigger III? Is there a Dick Bigger III?

Speaker 1 I don't know if he's had a child, but he's also from Biggsville. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 That's a great dude. Dick Bigger.
and he just wants to get his balls signed. By politicians, not by baseball players.

Speaker 1 We all got so many. Dick Bigger Jr.
So does he hang out in Iowa a lot? Is that what he does? Like during the primaries? No, yeah, he lives near the Iowa-Illinois border.

Speaker 1 I think he just, he was in a political ad last year, but yeah, he, like, Kimmel had him, I think maybe had him on, but he's, he's back. He's like Zach Hampel.
Yeah. Except Dick Bigger.
Dick Bigger Jr.

Speaker 1 I like that. Dick Jr.
kind of sucks for him. It does.
That's tough because

Speaker 1 it implies there's a bigger dick out there. Right.
Yeah. It's like right there.
No name. Dick Bigger was my father.
Yeah, right. Dixie Bigger was my mom.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just, I got to figure out what's going on in Iowa. How come Iowa gets to vote first? What the hell is going on? We need to shut that place down until it figures out.
It's huge for them.

Speaker 1 It's the only thing. Yes, they're a big thing that they have.
It is. Tight ends and voting way early.
Yeah. And controlling the fate of America.
Corn. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Good.
Who's back, everyone? Do we miss anything? Little league World Series. What about it? It's back.

Speaker 1 I get all my Little League World Series news from Rico Pasco, and apparently it's the worst product ever. Yep.
Yep.

Speaker 1 I've never seen anyone complain about something more than he complains about the World Series. The umpires are good, though, right? The umpires are really good.

Speaker 1 They're really good. The wave is good.
The wave is great. I like how they get the umpires there because they're the best umpires in the business.

Speaker 1 And the Matts just beat the Phillies, and they do the handshake lines afterwards. Oh, wait, did they do it at the Little League World Series

Speaker 1 ballpark? Just now, yeah. Yeah.
Again, I'll say it again. I say it every year.
The fact that they don't play that game on a Little League World Series diamond, like such a miss. Or with aluminum bats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one game with fences, like, whatever it is, like 180.

Speaker 1 The mounds up close, too. Yeah.
They're 130. It would be awesome.
You wouldn't watch? I would definitely watch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It'd be fucking sick. It'd probably actually be a shutout.
It might be, yeah. Yeah.
So maybe we put the mound back. Mound regular

Speaker 1 second base. Yeah.
I like that. Yeah.
And then we just watch dingers. That would be fucking awesome.
Who says no? Do we have a dinger dingers only?

Speaker 1 I do it on Sunday nights. Now I got to question everything with that.
What? I got to double check. I got to fact check Jake's fact checking.

Speaker 1 You have the open

Speaker 1 form. Then kill him.
You have the open form. I've given you guys open forms since opening day.

Speaker 1 Open forms.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you like. Who do you think we are? I'm just saying.
You sent me a form and I'm going to look at it. I'm going to kill you guys.
Jake, you're the rock of this podcast.

Speaker 1 Until a couple days ago, your word was unassailable. And now it's like we have to.
We got to get another Jake. We got to get a different Jake to monitor the other Jake.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Every time I see Jake, I'm going to have to never turn your back on him. You're just going to have to walk backwards when you say goodbye to him.
Memes said there's one thing that we miss for sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jets game. Some guy in the Cardinals got his first major league hit.
Oh, yes. Did you guys see this? Pete Alonzo.
Pete Alonzo. This was maybe the funniest clip ever.

Speaker 1 Obviously, a huge dickhead move, but I also was like, as a little bit of a dickhead, I was like, this rocks.

Speaker 1 So the guy, the Cardinals player gets his first hit ever, and Pete Alonzo gets the ball because they throw it back in. Oh, yeah.
And he just tossed it into the fucking stands. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he said afterwards, he's actually very honest. He's like, I had a brain fart, which I get.
Like, because in the moment, you're like, this would be funny.

Speaker 1 And then they had to go chase and try to find the ball.

Speaker 1 It's so funny. It happened to the Cardinals, too.
I love it so much. So good.

Speaker 1 He just was.

Speaker 1 That spiritual game, he gave him a... a bat and

Speaker 1 he gave him an autographed bat and a bottle of tequila. Oh my God.
Which is a terrible reason. Terrible.
Peter Horns is also the biggest dickhead in all sports.

Speaker 1 Really? Why? He's just a loser.

Speaker 1 His whole home run derby thing is I agree with you on that. I think he's the most unlikable guy in all of professional sports.
I agree with you. If you don't win, I think you're definitely dramatic.

Speaker 1 It's maybe a little dramatic, but I do agree with. Polar bear is an elite nickname.
Yeah, but

Speaker 1 if you have never won anything and you take the home run derby that seriously, that's a weird thing. He fucking launched that ball and it was so funny.

Speaker 1 That went halfway up that first deck. Oh my God, that's such a dickhead move.
I love it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was the thing. Like when I saw it, everyone was getting really mad at him.
I was like, wait, this kind of ruled. Like, if you can get the ball back, it rules.

Speaker 1 If you could never get the ball back, then it's a huge dickhead move.

Speaker 1 It's a huge dickhead move, no matter what, but it's kind of awesome and how unapologetically douchebagged it is. It looked, yeah.
Like this guy, like P. Alonzo is a piece of shit for doing this.

Speaker 1 He should do it again. He should just wait.
Just keep doing it.

Speaker 1 Somebody replied with a picture of Trevor Bauer throwing that ball over center field remember that yes that was insane that that actually trevor bauer's like killing it in japan i think yeah he's like doing something one era or something

Speaker 1 uh okay

Speaker 1 let's do our interviews we got a great interview we got moose johnson Great interview with him talking ball, and then we're going to follow it up with some baseball talk with Greg Maddox.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Moose Johnston.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, legend of the game, three-time Super Bowl champion. He is also the president of the USFL.

Speaker 1 It is Daryl Moose Johnston. And first of all, can we call you Moose? That was my first question right off the bat.
Are we allowed to call you Moose? We've never met until right now. Is Moose okay?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Okay.
Absolutely. I love that.
I'd like to call you just Moose. Moose.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How'd you get that nickname, by the way? Let's start there.

Speaker 5 Do you remember Babe Loffenberg?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So Babe was our quarterback back in

Speaker 5 89 and 90. It's not a nickname that followed me from Syracuse.
I think a lot of people thought it came from Syracuse, but

Speaker 5 when we first got here to Dallas,

Speaker 5 in the running back group, we would kind of do stretch, pre-practice, and then we break out into individual. And the running backs were always at the far end of the field.

Speaker 5 So as we came together for group, we'd all come jogging up. And, you know, all the other running backs were kind of smaller.

Speaker 5 Even my backup, Broderick Sargent, he was like a short, stocky fireplug guy, like 5'10, 245.

Speaker 5 And Babe said, you look like a moose walking in a field of deer when you come jogging up for the second part of practice. I mean, something as innocent as that, and it's stuck like glory.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a great nickname, especially for a fullback. You couldn't have drawn up better.
Yes, it is a fantastic, fantastic nickname. So we want to talk about everything.

Speaker 1 I guess I'd like to start with your football career, which obviously was phenomenal.

Speaker 1 When you look back. And you think about those Cowboys teams, knowing how the Cowboys have not been back to that glory

Speaker 1 in many, many years now,

Speaker 1 do you look back and you're like, man, we were really fucking good? Because I think it's kind of getting lost in time just how good, you know, we're children of the 90s.

Speaker 1 It was like, yeah, the Cowboys are just going to win the Super Bowl every year, it felt like.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 it was amazing because when we first got here, obviously they were on a downturn. And I was part of Jimmy's first draft class with Troy and

Speaker 5 Mark Stephanowski and Tony Tolbert. And we were trying to kind of create our own identity from the 70s teams.

Speaker 5 That was still the big talk was Roger and everything that they'd done in the 70s. So

Speaker 5 we were trying to create our own niche there.

Speaker 5 And I don't think we really knew how good we were

Speaker 5 for several years. And it was kind of odd because I've always felt that Jimmy

Speaker 5 could kind of see the pieces in place.

Speaker 5 But he was, I don't think he ever got enough credit. And that's why I think it was really cool when he went into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 Rick Gosselin was one of the guys that was working to get him in there. And he came at it from the general manager angle, you know, just what Jimmy had done from a roster construction standpoint.

Speaker 5 And I think that that's something that he's never gotten the credit for.

Speaker 5 Because if you look at those drafts, and not just the big Herschel Walker trade and what he did there to aggregate more picks, but just Jimmy rarely missed.

Speaker 5 And he was really, really good late in some of the rounds. You know, Larry Brown,

Speaker 5 you know.

Speaker 5 just the guys that he was pulling in, Leon Lett, you know, later in the rounds, it became just, you know, unblockable guys.

Speaker 5 So he really kind of built that whole thing together. And then, and then for us, I think when the light bulb really went on was when Norv Turner came in.

Speaker 5 And then you could start to see the pieces of the puzzle kind of fit into place because we'd go in and we'd watch San Diego Charger film, L.A.

Speaker 5 Ram film, and you're looking around the room and you know the talents of the guys in the room. And you're like, wow, we are going to fit like seamless into this offense.

Speaker 5 And so I think that that's when everybody got excited going into the 91 season.

Speaker 1 Was there a specific game that you can look back at where you just knew in the locker room? Like after the game, you're like, oh, this is different. Like we're not just a good team anymore.

Speaker 1 We're a team that's going to, that's going to be doing great things in the next few years.

Speaker 5 I always go back to a game in 91.

Speaker 5 We were at RFK playing the Redskins, and they were 11-0, and we were 6-5.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I think we went on the field

Speaker 5 late six minutes to go in the game, maybe early seven minutes to go in the game, and we were up 24-21. And our offense never left the field.
We just ground the clock out.

Speaker 5 So, you know, that was one for me where you kind of saw the potential. You know, if we don't beat ourselves, you know, we can hang with anybody right now.
And we were still young at the time.

Speaker 5 And then the 92 championship game in Candlestick was the one that really

Speaker 5 kind of announced that we were here. You know, that was such a talented team.

Speaker 5 We were plus four in turnover ratio that day, and we're still hanging on at the end of the game. I mean, that's how good San Francisco was that year.
And I've always told people that's probably

Speaker 5 the best game that that group ever played together as a team.

Speaker 1 It's funny you mentioned that game because I grew up in the Washington, D.C. area.
I grew up a Redskins fan. That game was one of my very first sports.

Speaker 1 That season of Redskins football was one of my very first sports memories. And that is the distinct moment in time when I hated the Dallas Cowboys.
When you beat us.

Speaker 1 It was such a big game because that team was like the talk of the town. You're right.
Undefeated. Ended up winning the Super Bowl that year.
Everything was Redskins football.

Speaker 1 And the Cowboys had the nerve to come in and beat us. So you might have made me cry.
I don't recall. I was probably just more angry afterwards.
But

Speaker 1 that's the genesis of everybody's got their own. I remember the first time I hated Dallas.

Speaker 1 That happened to be mine. You did have a great team, though, and

Speaker 1 you had a lot of fun off the field. We've had Michael Irvin on the podcast, and he shared some stories about the White House with us.
Did you ever get an invite to the White House? Were you on the

Speaker 1 buddy's like, come on?

Speaker 5 I honestly didn't. And it was actually one day of practice.
And I'm like, so where is this at? And they're like, it's right over there. I mean, you can see it from the practice facility.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, we were.

Speaker 5 Our group was a little bit different. We were beer and darts.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Would you know, like, going to practice, and could you tell like, oh, the guys were, they went after it last night?

Speaker 1 Like Michael Irvin, you know, like we said, like PFT said, we talked to him, like, he always felt like a guy who could go forever and then show up and practice better than anyone else. Was that true?

Speaker 5 Absolutely. That's why I never believed a lot of the stories that were out there.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 5 Because the guy who is practicing or working out at the facility that I saw on a day-to-day basis.

Speaker 5 can't be doing the things that you're saying he's doing at night because nobody has that amount of energy. Nobody can bounce back from what you're saying he's doing.

Speaker 5 Michael was the hardest worker on our team beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Speaker 5 He was the emotional heart and soul of the team.

Speaker 5 When guys were out of the lineup, you know, obviously we weren't as good. But when Michael was out of the lineup, there was something really, really different about our team.

Speaker 5 We just, we didn't have that thing.

Speaker 5 When Eric Williams was out of the lineup, we didn't have our physicality. I mean, Eric was like one of the meanest guys that I've ever been around on a football field.

Speaker 5 So there were certain guys, if they were out of the lineup, we lost a huge component of what those teams were about. And for Michael, it was always about the passion for the game.

Speaker 5 And, you know, he shares something with me. You know, he came and spoke to our guys during championship week up in Canton for the USFL.
And I mean, just knocked it out of the park.

Speaker 5 I mean, he went from talking to preaching.

Speaker 5 I mean, in his love for the game and everything that he did. And one of the things that used to drive me crazy, you know, when he's not on your team, man, he can get under your skin.

Speaker 5 But when he's your teammate, I mean, he's the greatest teammate you you could ever have.

Speaker 5 And when he gets up and he does the first down every time and he points, he said, that came from college because we need to celebrate the little things. You know, it's not just the touchdown.

Speaker 5 You know, it's hard to move the ball down the field. So why not celebrate on a first down? Cause we're getting three more snaps.
And, you know, he starts to reveal some of the

Speaker 5 reasons why and just, you know, how he approached the game from an emotional standpoint.

Speaker 5 Just awesome stuff. Just awesome stuff.

Speaker 1 He was so good for our players in the USFL to to hear yeah you guys you had so much talent too on on those old cowboys teams and it felt like you had to have a combination of of guys that would keep things going like michael irvin he would have fun he would practice hard set the tone but there were some there were some actual insane players on that team like if you look back the the charles haley stories that we hear what was it like share what was it like sharing a meeting room in a locker room with charles haley

Speaker 5 it was funny the the the day the trade happened i was driving in and you hear, you know, kind of the details of the trade. And you're like, holy cow, because you've heard the stories.

Speaker 5 You know, he's, I mean, it was infamous, you know, throughout the league, you know, with the Charles Haley stories.

Speaker 5 And, you know, we had the big hot tub over at Valley Ranch and I'm in there and I'm reading the newspaper and the door kind of creaks open and I look up and in walks Charles Haley.

Speaker 5 You know, so I'm going to meet him like right out of the gate.

Speaker 5 It couldn't have been a greater guy. And you've got your stories.

Speaker 5 You know, there was a, there was a line that went through the the locker room you know guys would just walk in and go hey charles is off his meds today you know steer clear um you know that he was just he was he was unbelievable you know in that situation he was just a completely different person but when he was charles i mean he was he was another one he was a great teammate i used to watch him and mark touan a stay after practice and and charles would would teach touhey you know, hey, if I get to that landmark right there, you know, I've got you beat.

Speaker 5 So if you can beat me to that, the only thing I can do is counter back in front of you. And I always ask Mark Tuane, I'm like, How did you make the Pro Bowl in your 12th and 13th season?

Speaker 5 And he would say, Well, a lot of it had to do with the tackles that were in the NFC at the time, you know, Jumbo Elliott, Jim Covert. Uh, I mean, it was Jim Lachey.

Speaker 5 I mean, it was unbelievable, the guys that were playing tackle in the NFC. But he said, Charles has helped me understand the game from the other side.

Speaker 5 Uh, and he's just, he was, he was another one, he was a great teammate.

Speaker 5 I mean, that was that was the final missing piece to those teams, and it shifted the power in the NFC from San Francisco to Dallas for a number of years once we got Charles.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that's a, yeah. I mean, he was an all-time player, all-time guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I want to talk about the first two Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 You ruined my birthday. I think you ruined PFT's birthday too.
We're January 30th, January 31st. So, I think it was both those.
I think one, the first one was my birthday, second one was his.

Speaker 1 I did a whole birthday party, and the game was over before, you know, anyone, like it was just the least exciting Super Bowl ever.

Speaker 1 Was there a moment that you could tell the Bills just kind of quit where you're like, oh, this is, this is over. And follow-up, I'd assume you have some Bills fans in your family.

Speaker 1 Did they hate you for that? Like you, you emasculated the Bills.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, that was always a tough one because I know how much that franchise means to that community. And, you know, I really do hope they win the Super Bowl someday.

Speaker 5 They had a chance against the Redskins and they had a chance against the Giants. And they missed both of those.

Speaker 5 So there was nobody cheering for, you know, they, it, the last two, it's, it's a local boy, you know, so I, I think I got a little bit, but my parents got on a flight

Speaker 5 to fly out to California the first go-round. They got booed as they got on the plane.
Oh, because everybody recognized them. But then everybody was kind of cool.
So, uh, but it's a great fan base.

Speaker 5 It's an awesome fan base. But the, the one thing I think people forget.
That first Super Bowl, we had a block punt early in the game. We went down 7-0 real quick.

Speaker 5 And, and it was just,

Speaker 5 it was one of the things that Jimmy did a great job of that week is, you know, you'll hear people say you got to keep everything as normal as you can, but it's a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 So how are you going to accomplish that? And I thought that our staff did an amazing job at kind of staying in our routine and keeping us comfortable.

Speaker 5 And I think that that paid huge dividends for us because I'm pretty sure we were the youngest team in the NFL at the time.

Speaker 5 you know buffalo's got a you know a very very talented roster this is their third super bowl in a row and even though we've beaten San Francisco, I think there's still some people that still don't think that we've arrived yet.

Speaker 5 You know, it's still, you know, this, this Buffalo team is pretty good.

Speaker 5 And then to fall behind and bounce back the way we did, and to your point, kind of have that game pretty much in hand at halftime, you know, I think spoke a lot. The second time we played him,

Speaker 5 I remember watching the four falls of Buffalo. And

Speaker 5 I think it was Steve Tasker. And

Speaker 5 he said there was a moment in the game where over the last four years, you know, you had fought so hard and you know, it was going to happen again. And it just like the life went out of us.

Speaker 5 And it was amazing when he said that because we all felt that during that game because they were up at half.

Speaker 5 We'd come back and taken the lead and you could really just get a sense of we don't have anything else left in the tank. You know, I can't believe this is going to happen to us again.

Speaker 5 So that that there was an actual time on the field when we sensed that

Speaker 5 that was it, they didn't have anything left.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did you give Leon Lett any shit about getting caught from behind by Don Beebe when he was sticking the ball out and celebrating?

Speaker 1 I know you guys you knew that you were going to win, but at the same time, you got to be like, dude, high and tight,

Speaker 5 right? And Mark Sepnowski is still mad at him to this day because that would have been the largest uh margin of victory in Super Bowl history, yeah, cost everybody on that one, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 So it's just um

Speaker 5 it that was the same year as Thanksgiving, too. So he's got the game at Thanksgiving against Miami.
That's right. And the nicest,

Speaker 5 quietest guy away from a football field and probably the worst guy you would want to see anything like that happen to. And he has the two biggest gaffes

Speaker 5 on probably the two biggest days of an NFL season. Thanksgiving with Dallas hosting and the Super Bowl.
And Leon has two of those plays where they'll go down in the history of the game. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 I want to talk to you a little bit about the art of playing fullback because we love the fullback position. It's kind of gone

Speaker 1 a little bit away. It might be coming back in different hybrid versions and all that.
But

Speaker 1 the 90s, the 80s, those were like the fullback heydays, in our opinion. You were a great fullback, a great lead blocker.

Speaker 1 You blocked for Emmett Smith, all-time leading rusher, and he gave a lot of credit to you for doing that. Talk to me about the art of playing fullback and

Speaker 1 how you were able to block specifically for Emmett and his running style, and how you adjusted your game to benefit the guy behind you that was getting all the stats.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think the big thing is it's not like

Speaker 5 playing the Y position, end of line tight end, or or even the h position you know kind of that offset wing because you know you've closed the distance down and there's technique there if you put me at the end of line i really struggled it took me a long time to kind of figure out hand placement leverage and all the kind of the the fine techniques that go with with blocking on the line of scrimmage when you block from the fullback position it's really just a mentality

Speaker 5 You know, we're eight yards apart. We're going to run into each other.
This is not going to feel great.

Speaker 5 But, you know, it's, you know, I've got to continue to do this play after play after play until i try to break your will um and and that's kind of where that whole thing comes from and so i've i've told people all the time there's little tricks of the trade that you you pick up and and maybe become better doing certain things but if you don't have the mentality and the will to go play after play after play and have one of the most violent collisions that happens on a football field uh then you just can't play the position and then you start to you know as as the linebacker scrapes you know you attack that back shoulder and you wheel him and you use his momentum.

Speaker 5 You're always pulling your hips out of the hole and turning guys, you know, to give Emmett. I didn't have to give Emmett a whole lot of room, but I had to give him a little bit.

Speaker 5 And so you're finding all these little tricks that you could use when you're using the momentum of the guy you're blocking to your advantage to kind of help generate that separation.

Speaker 5 You know, we would talk in the huddle all the time. We would talk all week.

Speaker 5 uh getting ready for the game you know carl banks you know was one of the and i tell emmett all the time i said listen, he's going to be right where he is when he lines up.

Speaker 5 I'm going to try to cover him up as best I can, but I'm not moving him anywhere. I mean, it was like Carl Banks was cemented into the field, the Giant Stadium.

Speaker 5 You know, he was one of those guys you just didn't move. So we would always have conversations on what the block was going to look like.

Speaker 5 And then when we watched the games together, afterwards, you know, I would always ask him questions and he shared a ton of stuff with me where,

Speaker 5 you know, hey, why didn't you stay play site on that? You know, it, you know, I bounced outside. Everybody was going going outside.
And then there you go out the back door.

Speaker 5 Not saying it wasn't a good decision. You got 12 yards, but I'm just, I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Speaker 5 And he's like, listen, he goes, even though you're only like two yards ahead of me, he goes, everything is completely different from the time you go by that until the time I go by that.

Speaker 5 You know, you can see right there, there's, you know, there's the three technique. He's covered when you go by, but when I come by, he's got color on the outside.
So I got to go out the back door.

Speaker 5 So he got it to the point where I was comfortable cheating up a little little bit and coming out of my stance a little bit slower. So I would kind of get kind of the same look that he had.

Speaker 5 And then there were a number of times during our career later on that we were, we'd come out the back door together.

Speaker 5 And he'd have a lead blocker when there was somebody there that there was nobody to block.

Speaker 1 So, in your opinion, who is the greatest fullback of all time?

Speaker 5 Larry Zonka.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's a good pick.
I was going to say Lorenzo Neal. I feel like Lorenzo should be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 For the modern day guy,

Speaker 5 like we talked about, like the mentality and how hard hard that position is.

Speaker 5 Um, you know, for him to be able to play what, 16 years at one of the most physical positions in the game of football and play at a high level for as long as he did.

Speaker 5 I mean, a lot of us, we start to break down, right? It just, your body just can't take anymore. But yeah, I don't know how Lorenzo did it.
I mean, he never seemed to break down.

Speaker 5 He never seemed to be carrying an injury.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So you are a very busy man. We mentioned the USFL president.
You also are on our TV every Sunday.

Speaker 1 So you are, and you're a great broadcaster.

Speaker 1 Going into this season, you know, you're watching every game. You're studying these guys.

Speaker 1 Do you have a team that you think is ready to make the jump, knowing the jump that you guys were able to make and what it takes?

Speaker 1 Do you have one of those teams where you're like, I'm very excited to watch this team, and I think this is the year that can kind of make that leap and put it all together?

Speaker 5 I think it's so hard nowadays because nobody stays together as long as we were able to.

Speaker 5 I got to experience the first half of my career under the old business and the second half of my career was under the new business. So, you know, that was a little bit different.

Speaker 5 You got to see the challenges of keeping that team together and, you know, losing your key people.

Speaker 5 So I think that that's the big challenge with all the teams this year.

Speaker 5 I think it's going to be interesting to see Philadelphia's jump.

Speaker 5 You know, I think that that's a team that took a tremendous jump from,

Speaker 5 you know, 2021 to 22. What can they do from 22 to 23? They've had two really, really good drafts in a row.
They're building some really good talent below.

Speaker 5 It's going to be hard. You get that quarterback on the big contract and now you can't sign a lot of those key pieces.
And we see that through the history of the game when we have had good teams,

Speaker 5 the same team that was really good with Drew and Drew becomes the highest paid guy. And it's hard to fill those gaps.

Speaker 5 you know it's it just it's happened so many times that you know what happens now how does how does philadelphia take advantage of this window that was one of the big things for me is really kind of getting to understand and believe in the windows of opportunity in the NFL based on that contract, that quarterback on a rookie contract, based on a number of different things, based on the four-year cycle of the NFL contract, giving them that fifth year.

Speaker 5 You know, you're creating all these different windows and how much talent can you get to overlap during those times to make your run?

Speaker 5 That's why I'm impressed with what Kansas City has done.

Speaker 5 Obviously, they had it when Patrick was on that rookie contract and they're going to get to do it then, but they've been able to sustain that, which is, to me, is really remarkable.

Speaker 5 Andy Reach has done a fantastic job there, just restocking those shelves every year and always seeming to find those key players that fit a spot for when somebody leaves.

Speaker 5 I mean, you lose Tyreek Hill and you go on and win a Super Bowl. I mean, it's just like nothing seems to faze Kansas City.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about a team that didn't make the playoffs last year that you think is going to get in this year? Oh, good question.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, right. That's a good one.
Now, maybe some teams down the ladder that make a jump,

Speaker 5 but maybe

Speaker 5 they don't

Speaker 5 have a big push into the playoffs. I think it's going to be interesting to see Justin Fields this year.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 You know, getting some people around him to take some pressure off of him.

Speaker 5 You know, we had them a bunch last year. And, you know, he just,

Speaker 5 when he gets consistent, he throws a great ball. It's just getting the consistency.

Speaker 5 He's smart when he runs, but it's just so dangerous in today's game when you got these quarterbacks that scramble as much as they do.

Speaker 5 I think Jalen Hurts is probably as good as anybody at it, you know, being smart, but also being a tough guy. We've all seen the, you know, the shots of him working out and squatting over 600 pounds.

Speaker 5 So he's got the body type to do it. But that'll be the big thing for Chicago.

Speaker 5 Obviously, everybody's looking at the Jets. You know, we had them last year late.

Speaker 5 It's hard to say. that a team is one player away, but I tell you what, you watch the Jets last year.
They had a great defense. They got the offensive and defensive rookie of the year.

Speaker 5 They got a really good offensive line. I mean, they legitimately are like a quarterback away.
I mean, that was the thing that held them back last year.

Speaker 5 And, you know, how much does Aaron Rodgers elevate that team? So if you were going to go to one that could make that jump, obviously, you know, everybody's talking about the Jets.

Speaker 5 So I think that that'll be something interesting to watch. I'm also interested to see what Sean Payton does in Denver.
Yeah. I'm a big Sean Payton fan.

Speaker 5 I just think he's a really, really good head coach.

Speaker 5 It'll be interesting to see how he maximizes the talent he has out there.

Speaker 1 The one team that people are going to be mad you didn't mention, the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 I'm mad.

Speaker 1 When you watch them play, can you see the difference? Like, oh, that's Dan Campbell's imprint on a team.

Speaker 1 Like, when you're watching a game, can you notice right away the difference between the tough teams, the teams that have that like, you know, little grit to them, a little shit to them, versus maybe the teams that don't?

Speaker 5 Absolutely. I've never been

Speaker 5 one of those guys that buys into a finesse offense. I I always say the defensive mentality when somebody says, you know, that guy's got a defensive mentality.

Speaker 5 You know, I would have put our offensive line up or actually our entire offense against anybody, you know, back in the day as being tough, physical.

Speaker 5 You know, we could line up against any defense and take them on.

Speaker 5 So I've always, I've always struggled with that part when people get into defensive mentalities, but I definitely think that there's a culture that you create.

Speaker 5 that that starts to represent how you play on the field. And that's what Dan has done.

Speaker 5 And the reason I like Dan Campbell is Dan sees it the same way I do from the inside out. You know, you got to be able to run the football.
Well, you got to focus on the offensive line.

Speaker 5 You got to control everything there. The games are always won and lost down in the trenches.
You know, you got to have the skill players on the outside.

Speaker 5 You got to have those guys that can make big plays.

Speaker 5 But if you can't control the line of scrimmage, protect your quarterback, or open up running lanes, then it doesn't really matter how talented you are at the skill position.

Speaker 5 So you can see how he's methodically built this.

Speaker 5 But the thing that I really am impressed with Dan, if it's a player or even some of the guys on his staff that he felt weren't great fits, he doesn't waste time.

Speaker 5 He moves on quickly and he's he's been very deliberate in everything he's done. So I, I, that's definitely an oversight on my part

Speaker 5 because, yeah, that, that, that game against Green Bay last year is, is kind of the culmination of what you're you're trying to build.

Speaker 5 The game is meaningless. Something else has happened.
You don't got a chance to get to the playoffs. And you just go out and stick it to one of your division rivals and make sure that they don't go.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Another team you didn't mention, some people might be mad about.
I would actually agree with you, though.

Speaker 1 Didn't mention the Patriots. And it's interesting because we can preface it by saying Bill Belichick, greatest coach of all time, right? Yep.

Speaker 1 But for a headline grab, sounds like you're saying Patriots are maybe a couple seasons away.

Speaker 5 We had them a couple of times last year. There's

Speaker 5 I didn't understand the whole

Speaker 5 co-offensive coordinator thing last year.

Speaker 5 There's just,

Speaker 5 there seems to be just kind of a,

Speaker 5 they're out of sync a little bit from what they were back in the day.

Speaker 5 And it's not, I mean, obviously Tom Brady, you know, makes you who you are and gives you the opportunity to do the amazing things that they did, but it, there hasn't been that cohesiveness that you've seen from them.

Speaker 5 Just some unpatriot-like things from time to time.

Speaker 5 So I just think that that's a tough division, you know, with the Jets potentially being who they are.

Speaker 5 You know, what Mike McDaniel did with the Dolphins and how good he made them. And then you still got Buffalo.
So, you know, you know, for a number of years,

Speaker 5 the Patriots were able to feast on a very, very weak division. And now they've got a very, very challenging division.

Speaker 5 So that was what made our teams in the NFCE so good is, you know, there was one year that that year that you talked about with Washington at 14 and two.

Speaker 5 We were 11 and 5. Philadelphia, I think, was 10 and 6 and missed the playoffs.
I don't think they got got in. I think actually the Saints got in at 10-6 instead of the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 5 So, you know, that's that old iron sharpens iron kind of talk. And

Speaker 5 that's what the AFC East is becoming now. That's going to be a very, very challenging division, top to bottom.

Speaker 5 And I think it's going to be really interesting to see how the Patriots hang in there with the other three for the first time.

Speaker 1 This might be an obvious question, but I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 Take out the quarterback position. If I had to tell you, you get the best player at that specific position on your team, what position are you picking?

Speaker 5 Left tackle.

Speaker 1 Okay. I was wondering if it was

Speaker 1 left tackle or maybe like a nose guard or edge rusher who could even say cornerback, just, you know, shut down half of the field, but you're going left tackle all day.

Speaker 5 I'd go left, I'd go open tackle. You know, for me, it's, you know, obviously most guys are right-handed.

Speaker 5 You're playing right-handed formationally. So yeah, the left tackle becomes open.
But for me, it's really, you know,

Speaker 5 the guy that's got the shortest edge, right? So, you know, you got to be able to stand up on the outside.

Speaker 5 So it would always be the guy, you know, protecting my quarterback on the blind side or the guy that can rush, that can beat that guy, because I've seen the impact that a Charles Haley can shift, you know, the entire power structure of a team in a, in a conference by, by changing.

Speaker 5 Just, you know, watching what Von Miller did, you know, in Denver in the playoffs, you know, how these guys can take over games.

Speaker 5 um you know it's that one position i think more so than a corner um you know they can you know maybe limit one of your top wide receivers, maybe get your pick.

Speaker 5 But when you got a guy that's that's generating, you know, sack fumbles, you know, speeding up that clock on the quarterback, you know, he's impacting the game on a much more frequent basis than one of your potentially locked down corners.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How about this one? This is a really dumb question, but it's also a very good question.

Speaker 1 If you were to pick one player in the NFL that you would have to clone and play every single position on offense and defense, who do you want? Who do you take first overall?

Speaker 1 I can go first if you'd like. Good question.

Speaker 5 I'm going to get an idea of what you're thinking.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with Kittle. I would take Kittle to play every single position.
I think he's a good enough blocker, fast enough, strong enough. He could probably throw.

Speaker 1 And then having him at linebacker, edge, I think you can get it done. He's big enough.

Speaker 5 That's a good one. That's a good one.
I love the way he plays the game, too. We did a game years ago, and he took a guy in goal line offense and took him all the way to the back and tipped him.

Speaker 5 And he's on top of him, just chuckling. And we had him mic'd up, and he's just laughing.

Speaker 5 So, I mean, he just loves playing the game um i was thinking kelsey okay you know maybe maybe not maybe not as physical as as george is but i just i like his swagger um he loves playing the game um very very competitive uh but it's kind of funny we both went to the tight end position you know for for both of those yeah i i would go aaron donald aaron because you your your line of full kittles would not pill block a line of full aaron donald aaron donald couldn't cover anybody at cornerback.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have to. The line would get there so fast.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 You don't even have to play the back half of the defense. Could Aaron Donald pass the ball?

Speaker 1 He doesn't have to. They just run it.
With Aaron Donald as the fullback. Aaron Donald as the fullback? Yeah.
Just Aaron Donald, all the older.

Speaker 1 I feel like a team of 22 Kelsey, or 22 Kittles, we could air it out. We could air it out against

Speaker 1 Aaron Donalds.

Speaker 1 You would also have to be worried because how many Aaron Donalds get kicked out of the game during the course of it? That's true. Yeah, you take, well, then you got a full bench of Aaron Donald's.

Speaker 1 Could Aaron Donald kick a field goal or a punt? We don't know. I think we just go for two.
Go for two every time. Every single time.

Speaker 1 I'd say that you have Kittle snap it back almost like a punt depth to the other Aaron Donald or to the other to the other kittle who then just throws the ball up in the air as far as he can downfield, lets the other kittle go up and sky over Donald.

Speaker 1 I would just play all my Aaron Donalds super deep, and then as soon as they snap the ball, have them go full sprint forward. No one wants to catch that.
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Speaker 1 Does Emmett Smith ever just text you like, hey, thanks, man?

Speaker 5 We have stayed in touch more so than anybody else, you know, through those teams.

Speaker 5 Every once in a while, I'll get a random one. Hey, how's things going? Everything good in your world?

Speaker 5 So yeah, you do get it. And it's, I always tell people, you know,

Speaker 5 it's kind of odd.

Speaker 5 I don't know what the attraction was, but when I was at Syracuse, you remember the old USA Today?

Speaker 5 And on the back page, they had the college games and all that stuff, but they did a nice job with the high school football and everything.

Speaker 5 And I was at Syracuse and, you know, I'm reading about this kid from Escambia, Florida. And I just got intrigued by what he was doing at the high school level.

Speaker 5 And then I started following when he was at Florida.

Speaker 5 So it was really kind of weird that we ended up being on the same team and being teammates and running mates in the NFL because I was aware of him when he was

Speaker 5 a junior in high school. So

Speaker 5 when he said what he said at the Hall of Fame speech, you know, you took care of me like I was your little brother. That's always kind of been our relationship.

Speaker 5 So I've always thought that that was like the perfect description because people always ask, you know, how you guys tight, you guys hang out together. And, you know, he really is.

Speaker 5 He's like my little brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's great.

Speaker 5 I'd tear after you if you ever said anything negative about him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I just, if I were Emmett Smith, like when I saw you, I would just, you know, maybe a little bit longer of a hug and just a little whisper, like, hey, thanks.
Thanks for everything.

Speaker 1 Like, thank you so much. Not too long on a hug, though.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 My last question. As an announcer, I'm sure that you hear from all fan bases, like, you hate my team.

Speaker 1 Why don't you talk about my team enough? Why do you, it sounds like you're rooting against my team when you call the the games. Which fan base do you actually hate?

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 5 hate's, hate's a strong word.

Speaker 5 There's probably actually a little bit of jealousy or envy,

Speaker 5 but playing at the vet was like the hardest place to play.

Speaker 5 The Philly fans are tough. They're tough.

Speaker 5 And those were great games.

Speaker 5 Really, really good teams. So, you know, that's the one that

Speaker 5 the rivalry still exists. And I think it's because they really hate Dallas.

Speaker 5 And I don't think they realize that, you know, we, we don't like them either, but we don't, we don't despise them as much as they despise us. We don't show it.
And I think that pisses them off.

Speaker 5 So we were doing a game one time in Philly and, you know, I got my boards out and I'm going over everything.

Speaker 5 And, you know, I'm

Speaker 5 just, you know, kind of. chatting, getting, making sure everything's set up.
And all of a sudden, it starts and it starts to build.

Speaker 5 And I look up to see what they're doing, and they've got my picture on the jumbotron.

Speaker 5 Everybody started to do it. And I have my Super Bowl ring on, and this is before they had their first Super Bowl.
And I just put my Super Bowl ring up to the camera so they had it.

Speaker 5 And that, oh boy, that was that was the wrong thing to do.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. They probably respected that a little bit, though.
I also think that Philly, they don't really need anybody to hate them back. They just love hating everybody.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 But the best compliment I can get is from a Philadelphia Eagles fan that says, hated the Cowboys, hated your team, but always respected the way you played the game.

Speaker 5 Like that, that to me is like the best compliment I can get is when a Philly fan says, love the way you played the game.

Speaker 1 Oh, last, last question about your broadcasting. Does Jerry ever text you as like, hey, take it easy on my guys? I feel like he would.

Speaker 5 I've never really, there was one game, and here we go. It was a Philly game.
It was

Speaker 5 early on uh in in andy's tenure with the eagles and it was the year that troy and i worked together um so that's 2001 and we're doing dallas philadelphia at home and philadelphia just bushwhacks them i mean i think it was 41 21 at the end of the game and you know it for me it's once the game starts i don't see logos i don't see colors I see good football and I see bad football.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 Dallas played a lot of bad football that afternoon so he's never really come up to us afterwards and said hey you were a little bit hard on us uh you know hey take it easy hey you know don't forget you know we're all from the same family i i think he respects that we have to have our integrity when we do our job and you know if we're saying something negative you know it it's because the team's not playing well so he's he's always been great there he's never really kind of come back and and said, hey, you guys got to take it easy on us.

Speaker 5 We're a little bit of a transition right now from that 5-11 stretch for the next four years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that's just, it is funny because it's, you know, if you, if you played for the Dallas Cowboys, you get a job in broadcasting. So Jerry's doing something right.
I mean, he's got

Speaker 5 everybody's, yeah, everybody always asks us about that. It was because at that time,

Speaker 5 you know, I came out and Troy came out and Michael came out, Darren Woodson. I mean, it was just like one after another.
And, you know, we're at CBS and Fox and ESPN.

Speaker 5 And, you know, everybody's like, well, what are you guys doing down there?

Speaker 5 And we don't have like a really intense, you know, media coverage like they do in Boston or they do in New York or they do in Chicago, Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 But the people that we do have in Dallas are very, very passionate and really, really good at what they do. And so it was really kind of on the job training.

Speaker 5 You had an opportunity to host radio shows, to host TV shows.

Speaker 5 But the biggest thing for me was, you know, post-game, you know, getting to answer a question on the fly, you know right out of it and not saying something you're going to regret um you know because sometimes after the game you just you say something stupid because you're you know you're pissed off if you've lost um and you know i would ask him i said you know if we win a game you guys are never here you never ask me about anything when we win but if we lose you guys are all sitting around my locker waiting i said well you're the only one who's honest and you know kind of tells you know what happened we want to know what happened so you know that that was one of the things that you know that meant a lot to me that that you know if you're just honest with people about what they saw, and that's what you have to be careful about in broadcasting, you can't make stuff up.

Speaker 5 You can't create something in the viewer's mind that is not actually happening on the field.

Speaker 5 So when Dallas is out there playing horrible and you're doing the game, you know, that's just, it's a tough day for Dallas.

Speaker 5 And you got to let the Dallas fans know where they're struggling a little bit today. And when we had troubles with it, you know, Troy showed me one because he gets it more than I do.

Speaker 5 You know, he was doing Dallas all the time.

Speaker 5 And he literally had two tweets that he snapped pictures of that were three minutes apart and the first one said why do you hate us so much you know you're an old dallas cowboy every time we play philly you just you bury us i mean you're you're so you're you're you're so unfair the next one is from a philly fan that says you're such a homer yeah i can't believe you listen to your game dallas doesn't do anything wrong during the course of the game so it's It's never what we say.

Speaker 5 It's what the fan hears. And it's amazing some of the things that they hear that they, when they send stuff back to you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're all dumb. We're all dumb.
We're very, very dumb. Yeah, we're very dumb.
But Moose, this has been awesome. We'd love to have you back on anytime.
Talk some ball. You are a legend.

Speaker 1 So thank you so much for giving us some of your time.

Speaker 5 No, my pleasure. My son was so excited about this.
He's been wondering. He's like, he goes, man, they love spring football.
They love the fullback position.

Speaker 5 He goes, I can't believe they haven't asked to have you on yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we should have had you on a long time ago.

Speaker 1 We did invent a stat for fullbacks, which is, it's kind of funny because you probably would be the all-time career leader in fullback assists, which is a touchdown, a running touchdown scored within five yards of the goal line where there's a fullback on the field as a lead blocker.

Speaker 1 Because Emmett's the all-time rushing touchdown scorer, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, that one year that he had, he had, what do you have, 25 that one year, 95?

Speaker 5 And there was a bunch of them inside, probably inside the three.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 probably of the 25, I bet you about 15 of them were inside the three.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to say, you are the all-time leader in fullback assists. Yeah.
So congratulations.

Speaker 1 You also should free to use that on a broadcast by the way yeah and you you also should be uh we'd love to invite you to be part of our committee for the low man trophy we give out the the trophy for the best fullback in college football every year awesome so you're in

Speaker 5 i do the dope down here in dallas with with everybody uh the dope walker award too so that'll give me that'll give me two guys to watch yeah we'll be in touch with you and we'll get we'll get your vote for that yes Awesome.

Speaker 1 Awesome. All right.
Well, thanks so much, Moose. Appreciate it.

Speaker 5 You got it, guys. Thanks.
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man.

Speaker 1 That was Moose Johnson. We're about to get into Greg Maddox in a second.
Just so you guys know, he was done via Zoom.

Speaker 1 His camera was not working, so it was more like a phone call. If there's any delays or any pauses or anything like that, the connection wasn't super great, but it was still a good interview.

Speaker 1 Maddox is the man. We love having him on.
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Speaker 5 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, friend of the program. I don't even know, Mad Dog, if you know you've been on, but it is Hall of Fame pitcher, legend of the game, Greg Maddox.

Speaker 1 First of all, thank you for coming back on. Do you remember the first time you were on Pardon My Take?

Speaker 6 Well, I don't want to lie to you. I don't remember the first time.

Speaker 1 How long ago was it? I think it was like four or five years. Four or five years ago.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I probably don't remember.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Getting older happens when you get older. Memory starts to go a little bit.

Speaker 1 So we'll just ask you the same question we asked you the first time. You clearly left an impression.
I like that. I like that.
All right. So it's great to have you back on.

Speaker 1 Want to talk some ball. Want to talk some baseball.

Speaker 1 I guess the first question that I had for you, because obviously this year has had all the rule changes, have you envisioned in your head what it would be like with the pitch clock if you had it when you were playing?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I kind of think it's more of a hitter's clock personally. It speeds them up.
You know, it seemed like we were always waiting on the hitter.

Speaker 6 You know, they had their walk-up song and they were stepping out and calling timeout all the time. So I think

Speaker 6 as a pitter for me personally, it'd be great because I think it speeds the hitter up and kind of keeps the game moving.

Speaker 6 I wish the pitcher would get a timeout per at bat when he needs one. But

Speaker 6 overall, I like it. You know, I think probably the biggest disadvantage is you get 15, 20, 25 pitches deep in an inning.
You know, you kind of need a break and

Speaker 6 you're not going to get the breaks that you would normally get

Speaker 1 yeah have you thought about how quickly you could get through a game though I mean some some of the starts that you would have you go out there and it felt like the game was over before it started I think you could get through a game in the modern era going like I don't know like 45 minutes open to close

Speaker 6 yeah I mean if the other pitcher throws a a shut out absolutely but that's probably you know hopefully that won't happen you know I just know back when I was pitching it was always kind of, your goal was always to just win the game, but you had some secondary goals.

Speaker 6 And, you know, obviously I'd try to have a game in under two hours. You know, that was always kind of a mid goal of mine.
And,

Speaker 6 you know, with,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 the shot clock now, I think it's very doable.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, you have a statistic named after you, the Maddox, when a pitcher throws a complete game in under 100 pitches.
Do you get excited when that happens?

Speaker 1 Or is that something that's not even on your radar? Because I know I personally, like Kyle Hendricks did it a few years ago, and I was pumped to watch it.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh my God, he's about to do a Maddox. Like, he's going to get all nine innings under 100 pitches.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's pretty cool. You know, it's a nice compliment.

Speaker 6 I know the guy from Houston threw a no-hitter the other night, and they called that a Maddox, but I'm thinking, I never threw a no-hitter, but I get the concept, and it's nice to be remembered and kind of stay in the game

Speaker 6 or hear your name when somebody does accomplish that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what happens when somebody surpasses you for the all-time career lead in Maddox's? Do they get the name?

Speaker 6 Well, you know, all records are made to be broken, right? You know, I think

Speaker 6 I passed a few guys up in my career, and I'm sure there's probably some eighth grader right now that's going to do it as well.

Speaker 1 Do you remember your best Maddox?

Speaker 6 I don't know if it was a Maddox or not, but it was a game in St. Louis against Mike Morgan.
I think it ended up being one to nothing.

Speaker 6 The game was like an hour and 45 minutes on getaway day. So it was,

Speaker 6 you know, I just remember that day.

Speaker 6 That game stands out to me because, you know, you always, you feel like as a pitcher, if I can throw it where I want to two out of three times, there's a, you have a real good chance to throw a shutout.

Speaker 6 And, you know, that day it seemed like it was probably four out of five. So,

Speaker 6 you know, I remember that game especially because

Speaker 6 You know, I got to face actually my buddy Mike Morgan, who I looked up to growing up. He was also from Vegas, and I got to watch him pitch against my brother in high school a few times.

Speaker 6 And, you know, it's a decade later, be able to face him in St. Louis was pretty special.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one of the all-time great pitchers, one of the great all-time ground-out pitchers, too.

Speaker 1 I heard somewhere, I think it was an interview that you did a long time ago, that

Speaker 1 you would even try to get people to ground out when you were up 0-2 on them. Is that true?

Speaker 6 You know, it's just a philosophy that I had, and, you know, you try to pass it down I think if if you can sit in any room and the hardest count to hit in is 0-2

Speaker 6 and so I figured that's the easiest count to throw a strike in

Speaker 6 You know, I was trying to keep the ball in front of the outfield pretty much every pitch and I think you know the guys today are trying to get the hitter to swing and miss or

Speaker 6 take strike three. So I think

Speaker 6 you know a different philosophy where

Speaker 6 Whoever keeps the ball in front of the outfield the best is going to win as opposed to I got to make him miss the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is there a pitcher nowadays that reminds you of you? Like, who is the Greg Maddox of the 2020s?

Speaker 6 You know, you look for guys with the same type fastball, I think.

Speaker 6 Hendrix comes to mind, you know, in Chicago.

Speaker 6 Bryce Elder in Atlanta kind of has the same type fastball. So I think you just look for guys that, you know, kind of have the same movement.
that your fastball had back in the day.

Speaker 1 So one of my favorite things to do is look up random Greg Maddox stats.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you ever, if you're aware of your stats, the crazy ones, but I had one that I wanted to throw out there and just get your take on. So, in your career, you faced 20,421 batters.

Speaker 1 And during those 20,000-plus batters, only 310 saw a 3-0 count.

Speaker 1 And of those 310, 177 were intentional walks. So, that means that you faced, what is it, 133 batters you let go to a 3-0.
Out of 20,000 batters, 133 got 3-0.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I've seen that stat. I didn't realize it was that high or that low, I should say.
I don't know how you say it, but,

Speaker 6 you know, it's just another philosophy that

Speaker 6 you have to get ahead. And,

Speaker 6 you know, I always thought, yeah, how many times do you see a pitcher 3-0 and a hitter and throws this perfect knee-high fastball right down the middle. You know, it happens every night.

Speaker 6 And my philosophy was I'm going to throw my 3-0 pitch 0-0 so I don't get the 3-0. And,

Speaker 6 you know, I think the league hits something like 0-68 on first pitch strikes. So I was never afraid to throw a first pitch strike.
I wasn't worried about

Speaker 6 trying to be too fine on the first pitch. So I think that allowed me to get ahead of hitters and maybe throw up a number like that over a career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've got some crazy stats out there, but I think your career highlight, Greg, is the play at the plate against Pittsburgh, where you were rounding third coming home, and you danced around the catcher.

Speaker 1 Maybe the most athletic play I've ever seen in baseball on a baseball diamond.

Speaker 1 Is that something that you had worked on, like how to evade the catch? Did you ever think that you would find yourself in that situation?

Speaker 6 No, I just remember coming down third thinking, why did the Thursday's coach send me? And then I didn't feel like running into the catcher. So I don't know how it happened.

Speaker 6 It was just one of those fluke things. And,

Speaker 6 you know, not to knock the catcher, but he's probably not the quickest guy in the league and

Speaker 6 was able to get in there.

Speaker 1 You look like Kyrie out there. You're doing spin moves on him, dancing around.
It was great. Well, thank you.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. I assume you still follow the game somewhat closely.

Speaker 1 So talking about this year's Braves team and the World Series team a couple years ago, have you watched and been like, man, this would be an impossible lineup to pitch around?

Speaker 1 Because it does feel like they have so many guys that can hurt you top to bottom.

Speaker 1 Do you ever put yourself in that spot where you're like, man, this would be like, I don't know how pitchers do this night in and night out.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I would have to, yeah, you'd be watching a lot of extra video trying to crack that code, that's for sure.

Speaker 6 You know, I did spend spring training with the Rangers this year. My brother's a pitching coach over there, so I was happy to go down there and try to help him out and the rest of the team.
And

Speaker 6 been following the Rangers a lot this year.

Speaker 6 Have watched a couple Braves games, not many, but

Speaker 6 most of my focus this year has been on the Rangers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they've had an incredible year.

Speaker 1 This year in Major League Baseball has been awesome because it feels like a lot of teams that aren't perennial, you know, World Series contenders are now in the mix, especially in the AL.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they're sneaky good.

Speaker 6 Chris Young's did a great job.

Speaker 6 He brought in a lot of pitching over there, and the pitching's been, a lot of it's hurt right now, but when when when when that pitching staff's healthy it's one of the tops in baseball and they're scoring a ton of runs i mean they've just been putting up a butt ton

Speaker 1 every night it seems like yeah yeah a lot of pitchers when they watch film like you alluded to they they get the cut up of every pitch that's coming in and just like rapid fire succession one right after the other you used to have the video guy cut it so i guess he wouldn't cut it he would show what the batter was doing in between pitches when he stepped out of the box is there something that you would look for in that?

Speaker 6 Yeah, sometimes you just look. I mean, you just, you watch to watch.
You know, you're not really looking for anything in particular. Just you might see something.
You know, I think,

Speaker 6 you know, you might notice how they take the practice swings or where they stood the pitch before as opposed to the next pitch. And

Speaker 6 just look for little things that maybe the hitter might be giving away, like if he's looking outside or inside or hard or soft. That's really the just really basic things.
But,

Speaker 6 you know, towards the end of my career the video got better i i used to like to put in the hitters last 20 at bats against right-handed pitchers so you would see uh you know if we were to pick a hitter you know you might see him face the phillies the meds and

Speaker 6 uh maybe pittsburgh something like that whatever you know rotation they were in and uh i thought the last 20 at-bats were a a good indicator of what they're going to do the next night when you face them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We have run out of ways to talk about Shohei Otani. So

Speaker 1 I I would love for you to explain to us as someone who played the game at a Hall of Fame level for decades,

Speaker 1 when you watch him and you see what he's doing, just how shocking is it knowing what goes into the game?

Speaker 6 Well, what impresses me the most is I don't know how many times I threw seven, eight, nine innings and was too sore to take batting practice the next couple days.

Speaker 6 So I wouldn't even take batting practice. Just physically,

Speaker 6 what he's able to do to be able to pitch a game. I mean, what was it like a few weeks ago, he threw a shutout and then hit two home runs in the back end of a doubleheader.

Speaker 6 I mean, that was

Speaker 6 physically, he's extremely gifted. The recovery that he has to have, you know, every day as opposed to most pitchers and hitters

Speaker 6 is off the charts incredible. And, you know, to be...

Speaker 6 you know, one of the best power hitters in the game, one of the best power pitchers in the game, it's just, it's, you know, I would never imagine that somebody can do that. And

Speaker 6 pretty special what he's doing.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's harder for pitchers nowadays? Because they have stat cast, they've got all the advanced metrics, especially when it comes to the strike zone.

Speaker 1 So every umpire is getting graded on their performance night in, night out, and they have it down to like the millimeter.

Speaker 1 Is it harder for pitchers to work an umpire like you used to work the outside corner?

Speaker 1 You would you would gradually move the pitches further, further off and just, you know, completely frustrate a hitter. Nowadays, I feel like it's tougher to do that.

Speaker 6 Well, I think when you take into consideration the top half of the strike zone that there is one now I think when we pitched it was non-existent I think

Speaker 6 trust me I'd much rather have the foot and a half up than maybe two or three inches off the plate I think the strike zone is a little bit bigger now than it was when we pitched

Speaker 6 Yes, we did get pitches a tad more off the plate than the guys get now, but anything, you know, dick up was a ball for us.

Speaker 6 And now you're seeing those pitches called, you know, chest high now and even balls slightly above the zone. So I think being able to pitch up there would be a real bonus for a pitcher.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this may be something you don't think about at all, but I'm curious. The baseball Hall of Fame, you were a no-doubt Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 Did it piss you off a little bit that you didn't get 100% of the vote?

Speaker 1 It's the most ridiculous thing in the world that Hall of Fame voters, for specifically baseball, feel like they try to prove a point where like, oh, we're not all going to vote for him first time.

Speaker 1 You were the definition of a first ballot, 100% Hall of Famer, and it still was 97.2 or whatever it was.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think

Speaker 6 to be inducted is enough. I mean, you know, I would have been happy getting in by one vote, to be honest with you.

Speaker 6 You know, I'm not going to

Speaker 6 nitpick or feel sorry for myself because a couple guys have a rule that they won't vote for a guy their first year. So,

Speaker 6 you know, it's you can get 500 riders together. There's

Speaker 6 going to be a lot of different opinions up there. And just to be selected, you know, first ballot's enough for me.

Speaker 1 I would have looked up who didn't vote for me. Yeah.
Sent him a letter. Maybe wait until they got out of their house and beamed him.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it'd have been nice to maybe, you know,

Speaker 1 say, what's up, man? You're going to vote for Juck Jones and not me seriously.

Speaker 1 We'll nitpick for you. Like, that's bullshit.
That is bullshit.

Speaker 6 Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about the other guys that you pitch against? I feel like

Speaker 1 you get a lot of credit as well. You should.
You should get more credit because you pitched in an era, you know, the steroid era. Baseball was looking the other way.

Speaker 1 You were pitching against some players that were, you know, they were bent in the rules a little bit,

Speaker 1 but you went out there and you were the best pitcher of that era.

Speaker 1 Do you think that the guys that you went up against that maybe have been accused of steroids or accused of PEDs, do you think they should be in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 6 Well, that's a good question. You know, how many home runs would they have hit if they didn't take them? You know what I mean? I think,

Speaker 6 you know, Fred McGriff just got in. What did he hit? 497?

Speaker 6 Let's say Fred McGriff takes him.

Speaker 6 Does he hit 700? You know,

Speaker 6 I don't think it's fair to the guys that played clean. I think,

Speaker 6 you know, Ronds was definitely a sure ballot Hall of Famer before all the stuff came out. And then,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 it's just a matter of opinion. I think Clemens was a definite Hall of Famer, you know, at the time.

Speaker 6 I think a lot of guys did things before they took them or might have taken them, however you want to say it. But there are definitely guys that had the careers they had just because they took them.

Speaker 6 So the answer is no, obviously. I think, you know,

Speaker 6 the answer is no. There might be an exception here or there, but...
Pretty much

Speaker 1 it's a no.

Speaker 1 Could you tell

Speaker 1 maybe season to season when you pit, when you're going up against a guy and you're like, oh, that seems different. Like, he looks different.
He hit the ball harder than he did last year.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you see it. You see it.
And then, you know, also,

Speaker 6 I heard somewhere that when you take those, it also improves your eyesight. So I think guys that

Speaker 6 maybe chased off speed out of the zone chase a little bit less because your muscles get stronger and you know your eyes got a gazillion muscles in it and those if those muscles get stronger you're also gonna see better so I think I think there's a lot into it and I think

Speaker 1 obviously when you hit a four you know a 380 foot fly ball and now it's going 400 feet I think that's the obvious thing that you see out there but guys become better hitters also that take that app taken yeah you mentioned Fred McGriff the crime dog great player awesome dude your teammate great nickname you were teammates with him for a while did you ever bust his balls about the Tom Amansky defensive drills video where he'd be like, I am Fred McGriff?

Speaker 6 Yeah, every chance we got, every time we made a fundamental correct play, whether it was a PFP or filled in a ground ball, yeah,

Speaker 6 we would draw his name all the time, you know, and ask Freddie if he guaranteed it.

Speaker 1 What was your, I mean, you were known as ultimate clubhouse guy.

Speaker 1 The stories about some of your pranks live on forever. What's one that you think back and maybe chuckle about like randomly? You're just like, oh, yeah, I did get that guy good.

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 6 well,

Speaker 6 a lot of it wasn't me. It seemed like I got blamed for everything.
I mean,

Speaker 6 especially now, it's like the longer you're out of the game, the more the stories get exaggerated. But we had fun, you know, I think,

Speaker 6 you know, as a starting pitcher, you're really on the field for about an hour to an hour and a half every five days, you know, and you're spending the other four days, you know, just trying to enjoy the game and have fun, have fun with your teammates.

Speaker 6 So, you know, there was,

Speaker 6 you know, you can't get away with it nowadays because the rules have changed. But, you know, we tried to

Speaker 6 bully one another the best we could and, you know, be offensive and obnoxious and all that stuff. But it was all in good fun, a good way to pass the time.
And

Speaker 6 made a lot of good friends because of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you're calling Tom Glavin a liar when he went on part of my take and maybe insinuated at one point maybe maybe they ran out of toilet paper in the clubhouse

Speaker 6 everybody

Speaker 6 will remember things a little bit of a different way but

Speaker 1 maybe his undershirt was hanging up real close to you at the time

Speaker 6 no i never did nothing to glav's close

Speaker 6 i always got even i never started anything but i always got even if somebody did something to me And hopefully I got them a little bit better than they got me.

Speaker 1 Like if someone pissed on you, you piss on them back.

Speaker 6 That could be a possibility, but I was never first blood.

Speaker 1 I like that. That's a good just way to go about life.
Like, I'll never piss on a man that doesn't piss on me first.

Speaker 1 Mutually assured destruction.

Speaker 1 That's perfect.

Speaker 1 So I had a couple of last questions, Greg. So last, last question is the ROBAC question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com.
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Do you have a World Series pick?

Speaker 1 I know that we're in August, so it's a little bit of cheating, but do you have, you don't have to give us the winner, but maybe

Speaker 1 who you see after watching the majority of the season that you're like, that team has what it takes?

Speaker 6 Well, obviously the Braves, I think, are up there for me personally. I think

Speaker 6 I never count the Dodgers out.

Speaker 6 They always seem to have

Speaker 6 a very good chance to win it. But you know, my sleeper this year is Texas.
You know, I'm staying with,

Speaker 6 you know, I think I'd love the odds on Texas this year. You know, if I had money to bet, I'd go down and at least make sure I put something on them.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you have money to bet.

Speaker 6 Well, I'm allowed to bet it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
True, true.

Speaker 1 True.

Speaker 1 My last question. You famously turned down the Yankees in favor of the Braves in terms of, I think maybe we're offering you more money even.
And you decided to go from the Cubs to the Braves.

Speaker 1 Is there something about playing in New York that you think, even nowadays, guys should be wary about when it comes to if it's a lifestyle or the media?

Speaker 1 Something that relates back to your decision when you decided, okay, it's a few more million dollars, but I value what Atlanta has to offer more than New York?

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, at the time, you got to realize this was 92 after the 92 season. And

Speaker 6 my main goal was

Speaker 6 obviously I wanted a good contract, but I wanted a chance to win a World Series ring. And, you know, looking back in 92, the Braves were there in 90 and 91 or 91, 92, whatever it was.

Speaker 6 They were there two years in a row.

Speaker 6 The Yankees weren't good yet. The Yankees didn't get good until a few years after that.
And,

Speaker 6 you know, my decision was made. Mostly I wanted a chance to get a ring.
I wanted to stay in the National League. I knew the league.
That was before interleague at the time.

Speaker 6 And the Braves offered me a good contract. So to me, it was a no-brainer.
I would have loved to have played in New York looking back.

Speaker 6 I probably would have a few more rings, but

Speaker 6 I wouldn't change the pass for anything. I was happy with the decision I made at the time.
I'm still happy with it.

Speaker 6 And I would have loved to have played in New York. I loved going to Shea Stadium all the time.
I loved playing the Yankees, too. So

Speaker 6 I love the city.

Speaker 6 But I felt like the National League was a better fit for me. And at the time, the Braves had a much better chance to get a ring than the Yankees did.

Speaker 1 And you would have, you're a beloved baseball player, Hall of Famer, if you had played for the Yankees and won rings with Derek Jeter,

Speaker 1 I don't think you'd be as beloved. I would just say it.

Speaker 1 I would hate you. I'd hate your guts.

Speaker 6 Well, there you have it.

Speaker 1 You made the right choice.

Speaker 6 No, I love, you know, it was never about not wanting to play in New York. You know, it was more about what was better for me at the time and the goals I wanted to accomplish.

Speaker 6 And I just felt like Atlanta fit that better than New York did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So my last, last question.
We had Matt Olson from the Braves on. Great interview.
And we asked him a question that I love asking professional athletes.

Speaker 1 What is something that fans get wrong when they're watching the game or understanding the game that would frustrate a player? Like, this is not how it works.

Speaker 1 Like, this is is a lot more difficult than you guys are letting on or this is just an intricacy of the game that an average fan can't really pick up on

Speaker 6 yeah i think uh

Speaker 6 probably

Speaker 6 when you see a hitter swing at a pitch that bounces you know a foot in front of the plate or it's two feet outside you know everyone goes how can you swing at that you know i think uh until you've actually got a bet in your hand and you go up there and stand in against it and you're trying so hard to hit a 95-plus-mile-an-hour fastball, and you don't fit, you get the curveball or the slider, you can look pretty foolish at times.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 for me, that's always been it. You know, it looks a lot easier to hit on TV than it does when you're standing up there, actually, facing a Randy Johnson or a Roger Clemens.

Speaker 1 That's a fair point. When's somebody going to invent a new pitch, by the way? I feel like it's been a few years since we saw the gyro ball.
You were instrumental in the circle change coming up.

Speaker 1 Do we have any

Speaker 1 new pitches coming through?

Speaker 6 Man, I don't know any.

Speaker 6 I don't know any. I know some of those sidearmer guys can throw a curveball down low and it rises.
You know, I saw that a couple times, but

Speaker 6 for some reason, the hitters don't swing at it very often. But,

Speaker 6 you know, they can actually make the ball rise. And I think, God, there's one guy doing it now.
I can't think of his name, though.

Speaker 6 You know, those sidearmers,

Speaker 6 when they throw a curveball down there, it actually rises. To me, that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Well, Mad Dog, thank you for coming on again.

Speaker 1 We're going to have you back on soon enough that you remember this one. That's our promise.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it. All right.
Thanks so much, man.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Mount Rushmore time. Oh, before we do, Mount Rushmore, Hank, you were on vacation last week.

Speaker 1 Did you hear about the punishment for this year's picks that we're planning on doing?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Would you like to hear about it? Sure. Okay, so we're going to change up our Friday preview a little bit.

Speaker 1 We're going to go back to what we did a few years ago, where instead of doing four picks each,

Speaker 1 we're going to talk about every game.

Speaker 1 And then at the end, we'll do two picks each. So it's going to be you only get one total and you get a spread.
So it's not going to be

Speaker 1 how we were doing it the last two years where we were just going through our picks and that's how we were previewing it.

Speaker 1 So we always have a punishment. We did the drive.
Last year we did the bowling. This year,

Speaker 1 and you could say that we don't have to do this, but this year, the loser is going to have to put on a one-hour

Speaker 1 show in Vegas to a live audience

Speaker 1 that we also live stream.

Speaker 1 And they can't use like, it can't be like QA. They can't do any of that.
PFT is only allowed to play one song on his guitar if he loses. Basically, they have to put on like a magic stand-up, you know.

Speaker 1 A one-man show. It's a one-man show.
Or you could do like one hour. You could do like an hour.

Speaker 1 An hour. An hour.
Is there a second place involvement here? Second place.

Speaker 1 We've talked about producing it. Yeah, or the second place, maybe he has to do a 15-minute warm-up set.
Yeah. That works.
Yeah, opening act. I like that.

Speaker 1 We already agreed on it, so you don't really have to say that. No, go ahead.
I think

Speaker 1 I do enjoy the second place pain. I think it's the funnest wrinkle.
15 minutes isn't really like that, especially when someone has to an hour. 30? I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 30-minute opening act? 15's fine. 15's fine.
30-minute opening act? 22 and a half.

Speaker 1 22 and a half-minute opening act? Like the length of a TV show. Yeah.
Yeah, no songs.

Speaker 1 No songs. No songs with second place.
I should be allowed to do songs, though. Can we sing? No, everyone can do one song.
Can we sing like karaoke? Yeah, you can do one song. Okay.
For the opening,

Speaker 1 you can do one song, but it has to be under three minutes. Yes.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 you can't just stand up there and do a Q ⁇ A. You can't use the audience like that.
Maybe you can do like... Fine.

Speaker 1 If I lose, I'm going to learn an entire magic set.

Speaker 1 Could you do like three. What is that face? You think I can do a five-minute Q ⁇ A.
Don't

Speaker 1 disrespectful to the magician's career. Think of a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Think of a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 36. No, no, no.
Think of a Super Bowl. Think of a Super Bowl this year.
Who's going to be in the Super Bowl? Shane Victorino. Patriots.
No, no, you got to think of it. I'm going to do Ozementalist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just said he's predicting Patriots.

Speaker 1 But you're the Patriots.

Speaker 1 That's what you were thinking. You'd be using the crowd for this.
Yeah, I mean, you could do that, but you can't do a QA. I'm going to cut someone in half.
Patriots. I'm going to use a crowd.

Speaker 1 If that's true, then I. You said Patriots.
You were thinking Patriots, Eagles. I would owe Hank $50,000.
I already know magic. Oh, we can talk about that bet now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank and I have a five-year Super Bowl bet. If the Patriots don't get back to the Super Bowl

Speaker 1 in five years, they have to just get there. If they do get there in the next five years, I owe Hank $50,000.
If they don't, he owes me $20,000.

Speaker 1 Not a great bet. Massive.

Speaker 1 I'm just feeling yourself.

Speaker 1 You're in the zone. You're like, oh, we're going to be so good.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 That was a bad bet. Yeah.
It's exhilarating, though. But

Speaker 1 it'll be the best bet of all time.

Speaker 1 If it hits, yes, it'll be a great bet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Should we do the Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 1 We have the Mount Rushmore of, wait, that guy played on that team. What are the standings? This is three weeks left.

Speaker 1 This is including, we're including the paintball now, which does feel good that Jake didn't get any points in paintball. Yeah, karma.
Yeah. Big cotton.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big cotton PFC 27. I want to just play the clip real quick.
Big cat in PSD 27.

Speaker 1 Hank and Max 26. Us 23.

Speaker 1 Surrender, surrender, surrender.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Got

Speaker 1 Jake, are you sure that you said okay?

Speaker 1 Because some people are saying that was Billy that said okay. No, you could hear it.
Oh, I took a lot of money.

Speaker 1 PFT, hold on. I got to come back.
Because I heard the got you at the end.

Speaker 1 Let's listen to it again.

Speaker 1 Surrender, surrender, surrender. Okay?

Speaker 1 Got you. I said surrender.
I said surrender.

Speaker 1 I didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Jake, just say it was a fog of war, man. Adrenaline.

Speaker 1 Adrenaline's running.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 But I didn't say surrender.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what are the scores again? I didn't say anything. We're up.
We have 27. 27, 26, 23.
All right, so what's our magic number?

Speaker 1 It's one less than it was last time. What? Asking what our magic number is.
You guys are talking about how you dominated the last members where you lost. Well, that was just people.
Listen, I can't.

Speaker 1 Like, they should have put more respect on Jim Ross's name. That's a fact.
We came in second, right? Yeah, it's crazy. You say you hate our audience? No, Jim Ross, they should have realized.

Speaker 1 That's an all-time iconic clip.

Speaker 1 I was disappointed in our audience. Yes, I was.
I can say that. I love our audience.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You were drinking champagne before that.

Speaker 1 Before that, pandering bitch. All right.
Came out. Hank and Max, Big Count PFT.
You love our audience so much. You're taking another vacation this weekend.
Balls.

Speaker 1 Also, Billy didn't text me out until 30 minutes ago, so memes helped me with this one. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Who's got the first pick? Hank and Max, Big Count PFT, us.
All right.

Speaker 1 Hank and Max.

Speaker 6 Hank and Max.

Speaker 1 I we me and Max. Oh,

Speaker 1 this guy cooked for you last week. That's the official title.
Holy shit. That guy played for that team.
Yeah. No.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 I did not say shit. No profanity on the graphics.
It's wait. That guy played on that team? Okay.

Speaker 1 We will go. This is the number one I think of when I think of this category.
Obviously, it's 1-1.

Speaker 1 Keem Lajwan on the Raptors. Okay.
That's a good pick. Yeah, we had that.
The pictures, the pictures. Yeah, the pictures are ridiculous.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. It is shocking.
Okay, so it's our pick next? Yes. I think we go with our 1-1.
Sure. Yeah, this is what I think of, and it also plays for this interview, this episode.

Speaker 1 It's Emmett Smith Cardinals. Yeah.
Emmett Smith Cardinals, like every time I see that picture, I'm like, what the fuck? It's just stunning to look at. Yeah.
Plays so long for one team.

Speaker 1 And then the Cardinals of all teams. That's the other thing.

Speaker 1 I like the Hakeem Elijah one pick because also it has to be like a random enough team. Yeah, and it also helps when the color of the uniform is shockingly different from the original one.
Right.

Speaker 1 Cowboys and Cardinals does not make sense. Right.

Speaker 1 Okay. Wrap around.
Many people are saying Moose Johnson was the key to that rushing attack. Yes.
Emmett Smith system running back. Yes.
Facts. Okay.

Speaker 1 We are going to go with

Speaker 1 Joe Namath Rams. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Was that a Billy pick? No, Billy didn't help. Okay.
That's a good pick.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 You said you responded? 30 minutes ago. 30 minutes ago.
But the rule is within the hour. Yeah, no, he is.
No, really?

Speaker 1 No, I literally said, he said, did you record yet? And I said, yes, but don't send any

Speaker 1 options. I want to stick to the rules.
Okay. Billy's living his best life not having to work on Sundays.
He's just so happy. Billy's Jets tweets are going to be just so drunk.
Yeah. He also.

Speaker 1 Definitely is missing having dinner. Yeah.
He probably just doesn't eat dinner on Sundays. Behind the scenes, like our dinner game has been off without Billy around.
That's true. Because

Speaker 1 we wait till way too late to figure out, like, what's going for dinner. Billy would have been in the group chat at 9 a.m.
being like, what are we doing for dinner? We need someone.

Speaker 1 Memes, you got to be the new Billy dinner guy.

Speaker 1 He did this today, and it was weird. Yeah.
But you need to just step into that role. Yeah, but also with Football Sunday starting, it's like we're going to be in a groove.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Joe Namath Rams. Joe Namath Rams.
He played his last year there.

Speaker 1 I'll be honest, I don't even remember any of Joe Namath's career. I just remember that one game.
Just know he's a jet. I remember the Susie Colbert thing.
Yeah. Colbert.
Colbert. Colbert.

Speaker 1 Colbert. Give me a kiss, Susie.
You're so beautiful. All right.
I want to kiss you, Bonnie. He's a thrower, not a passer.

Speaker 1 Sorry about Chad Pennington.

Speaker 1 And then next, we are going to go with Allen Iverson Grizzlies. Okay.
Okay. It's another good pick.

Speaker 1 We had that as well.

Speaker 1 I think we go with the second guy on our list, Biquette. Oh, yeah.
We'll go Jerry Rice on the Seahawks. Makes no sense.
No sense.

Speaker 1 Especially because he's the division rival guy through and through, right? The whole thing. I mean, it was weird when he went to the Raiders.
That was strange. Right.

Speaker 1 I think people remember that. People remember that.
He was there for a few years. But the Raiders is a cool jersey, and it's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Probably didn't have to move. Yeah, right.
Probably lived in the same house. Right, exactly.
The Seahawks made no fucking sense. Nope.
Yeah, and he was like 40.

Speaker 1 And he was on the Broncos, too, but that was like an offseason. I think he was there for a training campaign.
He like showed up, gave a speech, and was like, I'm out. Yeah.
Seahawks is the shocker.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You guys are up.

Speaker 1 We are going to go with Jerome Bettis on the Rams. That was

Speaker 1 prior. Yeah.
Prior.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.
Okay. But it's crazy.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 Good pick. Yeah.
Have you seen a picture of Jerome? Yeah, I have. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 Why are you saying it like that? No, I'm agreeing with you. You said I mean, yeah, which means.
Well, it's prior. I remember.
Prior to what?

Speaker 1 There's no prior and post no there was yeah there was prior to the steelers yeah he was on the ramps he didn't finish what is the name of the mount rush more wait i know now i know but i it changes it when a guy was on a team first and then goes to the team that he's remembering i didn't realize that was this no you can do that i just it's a good pick it's a good pick there are people listening there yeah he was there for three years yeah three years it's a long time

Speaker 1 Max wait, did he get drafted by them? He did get drafted by them. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's probably a picture, too. The The first round? Do they take pictures of first round draft? Yeah, it's a crazy.

Speaker 1 There's people listening to this podcast being like, wait, Jerome Bettis was on the Rams. Yeah, I mean, he was rookie of the year on the Rams.

Speaker 1 You literally had to ask if it was prior. No, it was like prior.

Speaker 1 You literally asked me

Speaker 1 prior, right? We knew you didn't know. No, we knew.

Speaker 1 Okay, good pick. All right, well, this fits your little criteria.
No, there's no criteria. You know what's crazy? He was actually first team all-pro.
Also,

Speaker 1 no one knows of Jerome Bettis on the Rams except for people who are 90 years old. He didn't play bad guys.

Speaker 1 When did you think Jerome Bettis played?

Speaker 1 For the Rams, 90 years ago. For the Rams, 90 years ago.
It was a long time ago. It's not a bad pick.
In fact, I like the creativity of taking a guy

Speaker 1 a prior who was also outstanding on that team. What is the name of the category?

Speaker 1 That guy played on that. What's he pick?

Speaker 1 I was thinking of a pick that wouldn't have played because he didn't actually play for them, but Scotty Pippen's Supersonics because he got drafted by the Sonics. He put on the hat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could do a million guys like that. Yeah, that's a different amount of rush bar.

Speaker 1 Our next pick, fitting your super specific criteria. Oh, there's no criteria.
It's a good pick.

Speaker 1 What did you say, all-pro in rookie of the year? Oh, he won. He was a rookie that was rookie of the year, and also the only rookie all-pro.
In his first-round draft? His first round draft.

Speaker 1 Notre Dame, yeah.

Speaker 1 Nomar Garcia Parra, Oakland Athletics. Oh, that's good.
I like that. That's a good one because people thought you were going to do Cubs, but it's not.
No, he played for the Cubs for a while.

Speaker 1 He played for Dodgers for a while. He played one season.
The A's was not good. It was his last year.
Yeah, that's a good pick. 160.
That's a good pick.

Speaker 1 I was getting ready to denigrate it if you had said Dodgers. Like, everyone remembers that.
But no, you're right. Good pick.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 That one was a great pick. Go for it.
Both of them were good. That one I didn't know.
I did not know that. So that was a good pick.
That was a fun fact. Okay.

Speaker 1 And a lot. Okay.
I like number 16, 18 on our list. And Wait, should we go back? You have.
16, 17, 18, Murderer's Row right there. And 20 also plays.
I did not know that one.

Speaker 1 You pick. You pick one of those.
Those are all

Speaker 1 good. We're going to go with

Speaker 1 King Griffey Jr. on the White Sox.
Yes. Whoa.
Yeah. Whoa.
Did you hear that? Hear that?

Speaker 1 That shocked him. That shocked him.

Speaker 1 The Reds, Mariners. Jake, did you know that drone bed has played on the Rams?

Speaker 1 Not until this morning when I looked it up. There we go.

Speaker 1 Why is Jake? Jake is the least honest person here.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 You literally went to the biggest liar we've got.

Speaker 1 Jake, we still love you. Jake is about to offer you.

Speaker 1 Jake, we do love you. We don't trust you, but we love you.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You got to build trust back. I know.
Got you. I'm glad you're giving me the second chance.
A lot of people. It's one strike rule.
It's true, especially on this podcast. Yeah, right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Billy only had one strike.

Speaker 1 Billy was like a t-ball player his entire season. You can't strike out.
He's a four-year strike. Just walk him.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, Ken Griffey, White Sox are next pick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was really good. Thank you.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go. We, we, are going to go with.
Well, no, Billy didn't help you.

Speaker 1 No, memes. We have a new rule.
Memes can help if Billy doesn't. Yeah.
Because otherwise it's a a three-man team. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to go with

Speaker 1 David Ortiz, Minnesota Twins. Oh, prior.
Prior.

Speaker 1 Prior here, okay. I won.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I didn't know he was on the Minnesota Twins. Don't let them talk to you like this.
No, it's a good pick. Good pick, Jake.

Speaker 1 Prior. Yeah.
Remember when they thought that they won the last one? Don't let them talk to you. Listen, I just said all I said was the word prior, you fucking idiot.

Speaker 1 You can't say the word prior? No, yeah. It's fine.

Speaker 1 Prior.

Speaker 1 But, holy shit. Or, sorry.
Wait. He played on the Twins.
Wait, David Ortiz played on the Twins? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That hits.

Speaker 1 I bet a lot of people don't know that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Did you know that, Hank? Well, obviously.

Speaker 1 I'm doing a Darren Revelle Twitter poll.

Speaker 1 Hank, did you know that?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And our final pick.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of good names. There's a lot.
It's a long list here.

Speaker 1 Shock us, Jake. Come on.
Kurt Warner Giants. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's an in-betweener. Yep.
In-betweener. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are we allowed to say that, Matt?

Speaker 1 Are we allowed to say in between?

Speaker 1 Rams and Cardinals. It's like in-between two tits.

Speaker 1 Are we allowed to say that? No, okay. All right.
Yeah. Yeah.
He did play for the Giants for a year. Yeah.
Didn't Eli come in off the bench? Yeah, I think Eli was his backup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember Kurt Warner in New York. The only thing memorable he did was fumble the ball like a thousand times.
And he looked so cold. Yeah, he looked so cold.
Well, he hates playing outdoors.

Speaker 1 He hates playing outdoors. So cold.
He hates anybody playing outdoors. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I kind of like that 20-pick because that one shocked me. But

Speaker 1 I'm going to let you.

Speaker 1 I would go 16, 18, or 20. I'll put it to you.

Speaker 1 You should give it back to me. 18 is a lucky number.

Speaker 1 Manny Ramirez on the raise.

Speaker 1 I had no idea double raise I had no idea I guess it was the double raise I had no idea so I'll put double raise on the ground yeah because he got popped I had no idea

Speaker 1 if you had asked me that I would never have guessed that just seeing him in a raise

Speaker 1 socks and Dodgers is that it plus raise he was on the raise he was on the white socks too what was he I'm pretty sure this is when he once he's he yeah it's just playing with the Dodgers it was it was he played for

Speaker 1 yeah he played on the white sock 2010 and then he played on the raise his last year The White Sox, I knew the Rays I had. If you had asked me, I never would have guessed that.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Oh, no.
I think it was the Rays, not Devil Rays. Are they changing? Because he's in the newer

Speaker 1 logo. That's where he was taking the game.

Speaker 1 Should we do photographic

Speaker 1 the players in the jerseys? That would kind of slap.

Speaker 1 Do we have that harder to see? To squeeze them in there? Yeah. It might be tough.
Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 When there should be a thread, though. We should do a thread.
After, yeah. Okay.
You guys have last pick? Yep. This has been a very strong Mount Rushmore all around.

Speaker 1 I don't know how this is going to go. You know, all of them are very good picks.

Speaker 1 So with that being said, our last pick will be Randy Moss on the Titans. Oh, okay.
Okay. You didn't go Niners.
Yeah, we had Niners on our list for Randy Moss. I kind of remember that.

Speaker 1 And, you know, he played Raiders, Niners. Yeah, he bounced around.
But Titans.

Speaker 1 He went back to the Vikings, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there was a barbecue situation. Was that on the Vikings? I think so.

Speaker 1 So if I remember correctly, in the locker room, they had this barbecue cater that showed up, and Randy Moss did not think that the barbecue was very good, and then they cut him because he was rude to the barbecue caterers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. That's a good pick.
Thank you. All right.
What do we have?

Speaker 1 This could be the tightest poll. Yeah.
Because it's a three-way coin flip. And we have a lot of honorable mentions.
Kevin Durant on the Sonics. Yep.
I wanted to do Jeff Green on the Sonics. Ooh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everyone kind of remembers Kevin Durant, but Jeff Green also was on that one year.

Speaker 1 PFT and I thought one of you guys would slip up and do either MJ Wizards, which obviously everyone knows.

Speaker 1 And also Joe Montana Chiefs because they went to the AFC Championship. I don't think I knew that until they talked about it in the Super Bowl storyline.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jamon Alexander on the Redskins. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. The Redskins have a shitload.
I forgot about that one. Yeah.
That's crazy. T.J.
Duckett on the Redskins. Albert Hainsworth on the Redskins.

Speaker 1 McNabb before he went to the Vikings. Yeah, McNabbs.
I saw McNabb's. I went to the game Bears, Vikings.

Speaker 1 I think it was Monday night football, McNabb, and he was just throwing the ball like five yards into the dirt. Yeah.
And I was just like, this is so sad. It's sad.
It was very sad.

Speaker 1 At the end, Shanahan benched him for being fat. Yeah.
And then had to make up a different word for fat to use in the news. He was like, it's his cardiovascular endurance.
That's the issue. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had a couple personal ones. Sammy Sosa on the Orioles and Rangers.
Yep, we had that. Devin Hester on the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 Cutler on the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 He had a couple of Monday night games, though, that were memorable enough. Ocho Cinco on the Patriots.
They did make a Super Bowl with him, though.

Speaker 1 Shaq on the Celtics. But I think people talked about it down on that.
People talk about Shaq in all the places. You could do a full Mount Rushborne.
He played everywhere.

Speaker 1 And he also did a nickname everywhere. Yeah, the Big Shamrock.
Yeah, so it kind of stuck.

Speaker 1 Ed Reid on the Jets. Ed Reid on the Jets was a big one, yeah.

Speaker 1 He was on the Texans? Yeah, we had that on the list. Oh, shit.
T.O. on the Seahawks or the Bengals.
Or the Bills. Or the Bills.
I remember Bills. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because they called it, he liked, I remember there was a quote he went from America's team to North America's team. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Patrick Ewing on the Sonics and Magic. Yeah.
I remember the Magic. I do not remember the Sonics.
Which is weird because the Magic was the last team he played for. Eddie George on the Cowboys.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Pete Rose on the Expos.

Speaker 1 Played for like 50 games. Vlad Guerrero was on the Orioles, too.
Yeah. Yep.
Yeah. Mike Piazza, Oakland A's.
Oh, whoa. Whoa.
Prior. That's a good one.
Is that a prior?

Speaker 1 No, that was post.

Speaker 1 You know, some Mets. Yeah, Prior was Dodgers, right? Yeah, he finished his Dodgers Mets.

Speaker 1 We basically just did an Immaculate Grid. Oh, and I'm addicted to Immaculate Grids.
If you put anything on a grid, I'll look it up.

Speaker 1 Who else? Anyone else that we missed? I mean, the way this haul got sparked, I would have said Dwayne Wade on the Cavs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bobby Orr played for the Blackhawks.

Speaker 1 There's some old ones that are.

Speaker 1 We did the Johnny United one. You could do a full one.
Oh, no, Johnny United on the Chargers. Yeah.
You could do a full one of Yaramir Yager, too. Yeah.
Yeah. There's some great ones out there.

Speaker 1 Okay. Good Mount Rushmore.
This threat is going to just blow people's minds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It actually hurts my brain to look at some of these games. Yeah, Jerome Bettis is going to be a wild one.
Make sure when you post Jerome Bettis memes, it says Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 1 And first team all pro.

Speaker 1 How many put his stats on them, too? You guys are the worst. No, you're the worst.
I wonder what he got traded for. Let's see Bettis Rams.

Speaker 1 Oh, in what would become one of the more lopsided trades in NFL history, Bettis was traded to the Steelers with a third-round pick in exchange for a second-round pick and fourth-round pick.

Speaker 1 That's a pretty lopsided trade. Yeah.
Some would say the most lopsided trade in NFL history.

Speaker 1 We probably missed so many that people are going to say afterwards. Actually, you know, it's a good prior.
Drew Brees Chargers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously it was like a big deal, but he's so synonymous with the Saints.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
I didn't pick it. Randall Cunningham on the Cowboys.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a good one. Yeah.
That's a very good one.

Speaker 1 Randy Johnson on the Giants.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Carrie Wood on the Yankees bothered me. Yeah.
The Indians, for some reason, was like, ah, whatever. But the Yankees for that one year was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Mark Sanchez on the Washington football team. Mark Sanchez on the Bears.
Yeah. And the Eagles.
And the Eagles. And the Eagles.
Damn. Bopped around.

Speaker 1 Okay. Great show, boys.
Great. Great John on the Redskins.
Great to have you back. Great to be back.
Great to have you. Yeah, I missed you too, Hank.
I miss you so much. I hung out with Hank all day.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 Oh, how'd you guys go today? I just played? I didn't see what Hank's score was on the final scorecard. I played Goliath and I was like, I'm not sure if you were on a team.
Our team won.

Speaker 1 It was a great time. Yeah, what'd you shoot, though? Because I didn't see what you shot at the end.

Speaker 1 It was like a 105. Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 Was like a 105?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's good because I've never broken it.
That sounds like a 112. I've never broken.
I mean, that was some gimme's, but I've never broken 100 before, so you probably beat me then.

Speaker 1 No, PFT, PFT played the round of a lifetime. I almost broke 99 today.

Speaker 1 That's how good I played.

Speaker 1 Came one stroke away from breaking 99. You had over 98 and a half strokes.
I did. I did.
But just bear, I fucking wish I could break 99 every golfer's dream. You will.
One day. One day.
Okay, numbers.

Speaker 1 KT. 99.

Speaker 1 You son of a bitch. 69.

Speaker 1 Fuck you, Hank. You got it.
20. Good one.

Speaker 1 Memes has got three.

Speaker 1 Memes, you ever gotten it? No.

Speaker 1 Shane eight for the amount of hits of marijuana Hank smoked today. Shane has 10.

Speaker 1 You're back.

Speaker 1 A boy's back.

Speaker 1 Very clear.

Speaker 1 A boy is bad.

Speaker 1 I quit possessing it.

Speaker 1 If someone passes it to me, I have no choice. I had that happen to me last night, too.
I was like Michael Scott. What was the concert? You went to the Syrkeys.
Yeah. You're smoking.

Speaker 1 I just started coughing on my lung. I was like, that was a mistake.

Speaker 1 That's going to cost me.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 84.

Speaker 1 Terry Rice, right?

Speaker 1 No? Sherry Rice is 81?

Speaker 1 84. No, he was 80.
80, of course. 80.
80.

Speaker 1 Randy Moss. Randy Moss.
84. Yeah.
I don't have a fact. I got a fact.

Speaker 1 I forgot a fact. I love you guys.
PFT. Whales can't fly.
Yeah, that's a good fact. Whales can fly.

Speaker 1 That's a good pick, Max.

Speaker 1 Mine was good. Yeah,

Speaker 1 mine was PFT beat Hank and Golf today. Oh, good.

Speaker 1 Animal Fact. Hank and PFT won golf.
Animal Fact. I had a birdie, which is a type of animal, and then that made me almost break 99.
Yeah. And Hank didn't.
Did you have any birdies? No. Oh, shit.

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