Cowboys Legend Daryl "Moose" Johnston, Greg Maddux, Preseason Week 2 Hot Takes And The Mt Rushmore Of "Wait That Guy Played For That Team?"

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And then I can't play all on the sun Oh no We're gonna rock down to Electric Irony And then we'll take it higher Oh we're gonna rock down to Electric Irony It's a part of my take This is about martial sports Welcome to part of my take Today is Monday, August 21st And football and football's back. Big time back.
Big time back, baby. We got a lot of preseason games where no one's starting.
It has become preseason week two is preseason week four. You have to establish who the winners and losers of each preseason week were.
I've got two winners for you. Okay.
Actually, three. One, Miles Jack, because he retired.
Yep. He's just like, fuck this.
I don't feel like going to training camp anymore yeah i'm out i might be a plumber yeah he said i was thinking about being an electrician or a plumber and then i decided to maybe come to training camp and now i'm out he's gonna be on task rabbit yeah i'll be able to get him over to your house fix your toilet um i would say he's a winner will anderson just because he had an awesome play where he like blew up running back sack the quarterback quarterback, got a fumble. That was cool to see.
And then Kenny Pickett. Yes.
Two touchdown drives. Diced him up.
Diced him up. The best handoff I've ever seen for that 66-yard run.
Jalen Warren, who looks, is there a running back controversy in Pittsburgh? There might be. I think there is.
So Kenny Pickett, I think the small hands might actually make him the best handoff quarterback in the NFL. That throw to Friar Muth, and then Friar Muth hitting the dab.
Steelers look ready to go. Steelers are my surprise team.
No one's talking about the Steelers. We are.
I'm always thinking about the Steelers. I'm judging my week two preseason hot takes based on clips I saw on Twitter.
Yeah, exactly. So you want them? You want to come to my hot takes? That takes? I got the Will Anderson thing from.
Yeah. All right.
So here are my hot takes. Trey Lance sucks.
Yeah. Well, that's even know how to play football.
You could watch that on any variety of platforms that come to the same conclusion. Yes.
That he it sucks for him because, again, I didn't watch the whole game. So maybe he played well for a little bit.
I don't know. But the clip of him throwing uh just standing there with no pressure while guys were open feeling pressure that wasn't there and then missed throwing it that was a bad look he's he might become the new tebow where people just like stake out practices find one bad throw and then it goes viral and and also that one you remember that he missed by like 15 feet over the guy's head the coach's head yeah and everyone's like everyone's like, well, this is Kyle Shanahan.
He's going to unlock the offense. He can throw vertical.
Brock Purdy is back. Yeah.
So good for Brock Purdy. Even got hit a little bit.
If they didn't hit on Brock Purdy, if the 49ers didn't find that pot of gold at the end of the draft, people would be talking about John Lynch. They'd be like, John Lynch gave up a lot of picks for Trey Lance.
Yeah. Not he did um my other one is uh bijon robinson's the best running back of all time that's a great great performance by him that's he's a clip monster everyone's like look at this it's just bijon finding uh and also uh i am part of bryces but i think bryce young more because the talent around him that was tough for him it was tough he He did not look good.
Yeah, Bryce. I'm a Stroud boy.
And I'm a Bryce. You can be in – Sam Howell looks here.
You'd be the Haliband. Yeah.
I'm also rooting – I'm rooting for – Hey, Shane, make a Photoshop of Sam Howell in a Taliban. Yeah, yeah.
I'm also rooting against Bryce Young this year because the Bears have the Panthers pick, but I am a Bryce's guy. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's so funny. You just like when you hear that, I think like, oh, it gets into ISIS.
Yeah. No, I am.
I'm big time into Bryce. Yeah.
Who else is there? Dan, Daniel Jones, Dantifa. Is there Dantifa? Jonestown.
Yeah. Jonestown.
I'm a believer in Jonest jones town okay we'll think of some other ones yeah uh but yeah that was my bryce young's gonna be in trouble he doesn't have a lot of help turns out dj moore was probably what a young quarterback needs yeah it's kind of not what he's he's either leading receiver in bears history right now i think he would be yeah some crazy stat we had a pre We had a preseason score. Gami.
Yeah. 1818.
1818. Doesn't count.
Can't get excited. No, but it's preseason for score.
Gami's too. He was tweeting.
The kicker was Instagramming highlights during halftime. Who? And then he missed two kicks.
Who was? I think it was the Bears kicker. Oh, no.
Cade York was doing it. LSU legend.
Browns. Yeah, he was sharing.
Oh, it was Browns. Dons don't do that to me i don't know yeah it's like all bad kicker bears tie or the bears lost to the colts yeah no one played and so except on either side except for tyson badgett i don't know if i say his name right uh he played quarterback uh after pj walker division two shepherd university all-time touchdown leader love shepherd university he might there might be bears might have too many good i knew a lot of guys that dropped out of wvu that ended up going shepherd university oh this guy hot spot is awesome yeah but yeah it sucks like getting i i was like on saturday i was like oh nice bears play tonight gonna watch at least the first quarter and then i realized wait no one's playing this Yeah, I'm amped up for Monday Night Football.
Yeah, who's playing? It's the Commanders and the Ravens. Oh, Ravens.
So I'll remind her. Yeah, bet the Ravens.
Thank you, Jake. I'm going to bet the Ravens.
Tokete, RIP, our sweet prince. Lolita, the killer whale.
I actually did a moment of silence before my anthem on Friday night. Did you? Yeah, the whole Wheeling virginia was very confused she passed away uh the colts are one and oh against the spread after lolita dies and you know what's the worst part about this hank is so happy he's so happy that this poor killer whale died well if you were if you were conspiracy theorists you'd think that jim ursay knew that this whale was going to die and said i'm going to tell you what i know know I'm in the news for some hot water stuff with Jonathan Taylor.
I'm going to transport this killer whale across the country, and then it just died before. We should have matched.
Yeah, let's match. Let's match.
I will match the next orca that gets transported by Jim Merce. I will help fund if we want to do cremation of Tokite, Lolita,

and then put it in the Pacific Ocean.

I will help.

Is there a giant toilet that they have there at SeaWorld?

Yeah.

I was going to say, do you guys feel partially responsible?

I think part of it was...

No, the plan was going to work.

The stress of telling Lolita

that she had to get on a plane...

You think she's an AWL?

She just took herself out.

She's like, wait, I'm flying?

I've never flown before.

I can't fit in a fucking plane.

She knew that.

Well, it's probably you, Hank.

It's probably you probably scared the shit out of her because you're like, there's no

way that that's going to work.

That's true.

We're very positive.

We're like, this is going to be great.

She's going to get to see her family.

She's going to live in the wild for the rest of her life, or at least like 15 acres worth

of wild ocean.

She was doomed.

And then, well, she missed out.

Very sad.

Hurricane Hillary.

Yeah.

Hill dog coming back. Put another one on the list.
L.A. freaking out.
There was actually a bunch of people just tweeting Universal Studios clips of like different rides that have flooding. Yeah.
And then actual media members being like, can I use this on the broadcast? I absolutely love that. Is there any reason why people ask, is it okay if I use this video? video i don't know it's part of the protocol i treated the the shark on the highway and i was like everyone please use it i was gonna yeah so somebody sent that to me i didn't tweet because i was on a plane and a couple was breaking up so i was paying attention to them uh okay so also teddy bridgewater wearing number 50 as a replacement numbers weird hate it this might be an old man take but it's crazy it is crazy is he gonna wear that in the regular season or just preseason if he makes the team i think he'll get another one david montgomery has number five right now that's so strange yeah uh and the last thing i started when we said wide receivers could wear teens yeah yeah it was so much better when they wore those boxy everything a nice 88 on a skinny receiver making them look just fat as shit yeah um last thing was uh jordan love had a throw that made me nervous what's that we don't talk about that but if we're doing clips and i'm being honest yeah oh zach wilson oh yeah zach wilson yeah memes did you watch the jets yeah zach wilson thank you hank for finding something else to talk about there yeah i was just telling i mean i was being honest that was very unbiased of me to be like here all the clips I saw I did see a clip that got me nervous yeah um Zach Wilson it's it's tough to grade Zach Wilson well on a scale well we're grading him on the Zach Wilson scale he had a perfectly Zach Wilson performance he's also the quarterback of the future yeah he's here and Roger say that yeah he's like I'm just here for a little bit gonna help out the team and then zach wilson for the next 15 years 15 yeah 15 that's a lot of years for him i mean that would actually make i think if i'll say this right now if aaron rogers makes zach wilson a 15-year starter in the nfl he is the greatest quarterback of all time that's very true like that would be that is way more impressive than winning a super bowl any m To make Zach Wilson a 15 year starter That would be the greatest quarterback of all time Do you think that Aaron Rodgers Is going to get into coaching after he's done He seems like he likes the coaching part He's a great dude So why not I think he will He loves people He needs to be able to hug all his boys every week.
Yeah, call him fat as shit. All right, other things.
The Ryder Cup looks like it's official. Congrats, Max.
Max. Well, the first six are officially locked in.
Brooks, though, is now out. Well, Brooks is going to get a captain's pick.
He should be a captain. If he's not, then I'm going to disavow the U.S.
Ryder Cup team. Yeah.
I'm going to have to. Yeah.
He'll get in. And also, Victor Hovland had the round, the back nine of a lifetime.
Well, you buried the lead. Max Homa set the course record on Friday.
But Max Homa set the course record on Friday. He set it.
The shortest lasting course record ever in the history of the B&W Championship. Ten birdies.
Yeah. It was amazing.
And yeah, Homa's on the Ryder Cup team. I'm very excited about that.
I can't wait for the Ryder Cup. It's coming home.
It's coming home. I thought Victor Hovland had way more of an accent.
That shocked me. Yeah.
Would you call it? Yeah. Yeah.
Victor Hovland, he's the guy that he's on Man City, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly. No, he's playing Saudi Arabia now with Raheem Sterling.
it yeah no soccer soccer yeah oh yeah we did have a soccer final we did Spain I thought you're saying Messi oh yeah well Messi's a goat and we all know he's a goat he just keeps proving that he's 10 goals in seven games in the MLS he's the best ever some people are saying MLS is rigged that they brought Messi over and they're letting him score all these goals because there's no way that the professional league can be that bad where messy just steps and dominates right that's not a possibility i don't know if you've ever watched mls before but i think it's it is definitely a possibility the shootout was awesome it went to like wait it was a shootout it went to a shootout in the final messy or the finals the messy okay yeah women's final not the women's finals this one went women's finals. This one went to a shootout.
The Messi finals went to a shootout. And every player shot.
So the goalies had to come in for the last shot. And Messi's goalie drilled his.
And then the other goalie got his block. That was pretty cool.
That rules. Yeah, the women.
Spain, right? Spain, yeah. I was abstaining for the Women's World Cup after the U.S.
got bounced. That's not, it has nothing to do with misogyny.

I just root for my country and then I'm out.

Yeah.

So I tried to see how long I could go without finding out who won.

I left the golf on for a little too, like the TV on,

and I found out Spain won, won nothing.

John Roms pumped.

Yeah, they showed just a bunch of sad English fans.

Yeah.

They can't win anything.

They can't win.

I can't win anything in the Women's World Cup. I went 0 for 14.
That's beautiful. 0 for 14.
That's impossible to do. Yeah.
That's so hard to do. And you didn't even get to watch them.
I didn't. You just lost sleep.
I watched the last 10 minutes of the finals this morning. I woke up early and watched it just because I was like, surely one has to go in.
I know less about women than any other person on the planet. Verified.
Yeah, that's true. Don't get them.
Don't understand them. Max.
Hey, Max. Yes.
Anyone mentioned titty fucking to you this weekend? Oh, I mean, that was tough. Why? I mean, I guess that's the new thing that people are just saying to me in the streets.
But why was it tough? How do they do they say it? Yeah, and why was it tough this weekend? Well, normally, I mean, they say it, and they're like, you were right about titty fucking. Huh.
But there were lots of Cubs. I went to the Cubs game with my mom and my dad.
Oh, okay. And there was about five different guys who came up to me and be like, yo, you were right about titty fucking, man.
My mom was just so upset with me. At one point, my mom was like, did your dad disagree? She was mad at you because you're wrong about titty fucking? Also, was your dad like, no, no, he's wrong? My dad doesn't say anything about that.
Oh, there's some other big news on the pod. I don't know if we want to get this out of the way right now off the top.
Oh, he's looking. The paintball video came out on Thursday night.
And Jake the Snake, best in the office, a true alpha, shot Hank in the back after Hank made Jake surrender in the corner. Now, Jake, there is a technicality you could lean on here.
Yeah, there's a few things. What's your spin? I have a spin for you.
Yeah, well, one, in the moment, I told Hank this. Billy was right there yelling things.
I thought Billy was the one who said it. Fog of War.
He said what? It's a fog of war. He said surrender.
Everyone should go watch the video. Jake and Blackwater have the same excuse.
Okay. Okay.
So I thought he was talking to me. Okay.
And then I said, okay. So I thought I was on my own.
The got you was the best part. Yeah.
I did not think it was Hank who said that. It's the funniest video of the internet i watched it so many times shout out to paintball hardos like you guys suck at paintball no shit yeah we're awful at painful yeah uh i lost a lot of sleep i had a lot of regrets and i just feel terrible okay so you don't you're not gonna use the technicality because i have one for you well you think it was longer was longer than 10 feet? No.
Well, what's yours? Hank said surrender. You just said okay.
You didn't say surrender. Yeah, I never said the word surrender.
That was the whole thing. Technically, he never said surrender.
He said okay. Right.
But he didn't say surrender. There's no way you thought Billy said it.
Billy was right there. There's no way.
I swear on my life. But why would Billy be telling you to surrender? Oh, shit.
Well shit Well we're gonna have to kill you Cause you didn't hit a whole month Why would Billy be Telling you to surrender if he was on your team No I thought he was just saying And you didn't know you said the words okay I knew I said okay You thought that Billy surrendered to Hank But then you said I didn't say anything But then why would you need to acknowledge That's a good point I said I didn't say anything. You thought that Billy surrendered to Hank, but then I didn't say anything.
But then why would you?

That's a good point. That's a good point.
But I didn't say anything as in I didn't say surrender. But you said, okay, yeah, I said surrender.
You said, okay, if Jake's lying in the back, you better kill him because otherwise once you turn around, shoot you. Yeah, I mean, I've got it.
Got you. I've lost a lot of

The gachu is so good

And if that's not genuine enough to act like to be like i didn't know what was going on also i said something beforehand it didn't make the final cut but i said i'm very uncomfortable with this gun get it out of my hand yeah yeah when my gun jammed there was a part in the video where my gun jammed. I'm like, Jake, give me your gun.

I despise that, but I'm glad everyone else.

Well, I guess we got to play it again then.

Great.

Jake, listen, on this show, we all have some very bad visuals that get out there.

So it happens.

It's your turn.

I looked like a Balkans warlord.

Did you see how fat I looked?

People were treating me that picture with the freshly shaven mustache I was just standing there So I've apologized to Hank in the moment I apologize again I feel terrible like it ruined my weekend But It's funny because In a video that was just Filled with clips of Billy Being a asshole and lying his ass off about everything. I took the bullet for him.
No pun intended. Yeah, you had.
I took the bullet for him. Billy still remains on the shot.
Got you. But Billy being like, I haven't been shot at all today.
I was so mad. I've never been more mad, I think.
I know. That clip did make it where Billy was like, I haven't been shot like at all today.
And he's just covered in paint and bruises. He's like, well, I don't feel it because of the adrenaline.
I was also so excited because me hitting Hank was like the only time the whole day that I actually hit someone. You fired? Yeah.
Got you. He got you.
He did get you. Yes, I finally.
I did it. I think I maybe hit PFT one other time.
But besides that, it was not my competition. You are like that guy from Saving Private Ryan that just hides in the corner holding the machine gun.
Yeah, I just got you. Got you.
Watch the paintball video. What the hell, Jake? It's so funny.
I'm glad we can all laugh at it now. Jake, you might have to note zap it.
There's only one way out of this, and that's writing a very sincere, heartfelt notes app. Yes.
Yeah, I was wondering why we weren't saying anything online all weekend. Or Hank can shoot Jake with a paintball gun.
Fine. Literally as many shots as you want.
Oh, that's unlimited shots. You should take that.
Hank's shaking his head because he knows that right now he has the upper hand on Jake and he holds all the cards. I mean, at some point I'm going to have to cash that in.
Please do. Let's do it.
I deserve it. We can build a paintball course in the new office.
I mean, I'll just walk up when he doesn't see me. Just shoot him.
Say, got you. The got you is so funny.
Jake, I had one other sports thing. Your Yankees are the most abysmal team of all time.
I had it on my who's back. Alright, well let's do who's back.
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What do you call it? What do you call UFC head? A fist head? Also a seam head. Yeah.
Stitch head. Yeah.
Stitch head. Grapplers.
The Bantam belt. The Bantam weight.
Bantam weight. You've never heard Bantam belt in the M? Didn't know that was a Bantam.
It was like he's the belt. He won the belt.
And I was like, what belt? Well, there's different weight classes. I didn't have never heard it called Bantam.
You thought that it was the Bantam man. I had never seen it before.
Like bad motherfucker belt. You'd never seen Bantam weight? No.
Okay. Who were some? I don't know.
I don't know. So who's back? Bantam.
Bantam. Bantam.
Bantam. Bantam.
Bantam. Bantam.
Bantam. Bantam.
The national Bantam. Like I said, not.
I never, never, never said I was a senior. You know who rocks is Zhang.
Was that her name? Zhang. The woman that fought in the co-main event.
That chick is terrifying. She is a fucking assassin.
I would. She just destroyed that Brazilian girl for like five rounds nonstop.
Shout out to her for not tapping. Yeah that was that was just an ass whooping her punch was so loud like that one that she had that straight punch that was just it was so loud that came across tv it's like holy fuck how is she not getting knocked out but yeah the bantam man yeah i haven't heard a lot of these other bantam besides peter yawn okay hank some would say that by putting death as who's back of the week, bad news for Jimmy Carter.
Yeah. So he's about to die.
Friend of the program. He did win.
Take the award winner for still alive person of the year. Colin Coward would be like, that guy's not going to win a Super Bowl.
Lolita will never win a Super Bowl. That's sad.
But she should get a ring. Should absolutely get a ring for participating in this season.
Okay. Pft or who's back uh so i was gonna do the yankees as well but i think we should let we should let jake cook on that because i feel like it's closer to his heart but i will say that i love the idea of a players and managers only meeting which is what aaron boone had with the team um that also knows practice you might call it practice some people call it practice yep uh so they had a meeting and then aaron boone was like we're what do you say we're a bunch of sick animals out there yeah always what you want to hear from your manager um some people were saying he should be fired i think he's handling the season with such class and i'm friends with a lot of yankee fans i think they should extend aaron boone yeah i think he's the steady hand i think aaron boone is a steady hand that the Yankees need to control their franchise because it's not about one game.
It's never about one game in baseball. It's a long season.
It takes time to turn a team around. Aaron Boone has only begun to implement a system.
Extend Aaron Boone. Yeah.
Crazy thing is, I don't know. I don't think Jake would probably touch on this is the only reason he's the manager is because he had one walk off home run in a season that they didn't even win the the world series it's true well yeah it was one of the more iconic well and towards acl and got them a rod but they did playing basketball then he tears acl playing basketball i don't know it was a it was a pretty good home run though yeah i think he tore his acl playing basketball that's how a rod became a yankee well without that home run that was the start of the championship DVD.
Literally. Yes.
It actually was. Yeah.
So you should want him. No, it makes the whole story funnier.
You should want him to stay for the Yankees. I do.
I think most people do. Vote of confidence.
Like, this guy's a complete disaster. Why is he even the manager? Oh, he had one home run.
Please make a graphic for us memes. Vote of confidence.
Part of my take gives official vote of confidence for both Aaron Boone and Brian Catton. Majority of.
All right, let's vote. Okay.
a graphic for us. Memes vote to vote of confidence.
Part of my take gives official vote of confidence for both Aaron Boone and

Brian.

Majority of.

Let's vote.

Okay.

I think majority of me put in like, yeah, we official vote of confidence.

They should extend both of them.

Yes.

Yeah.

Ability is the most important part of baseball.

It is their longest losing streak since I've been alive.

Okay. That's tough.
Yeah. Well, you're're gonna die soon Because you lied about that paintball video Okay you said it No I said if And you lied oh I didn't got you No I didn't Aaron Boone did say the turnaround is coming though Turnaround is coming and then Jake's Gonna shoot it in the back they have never Finished under 500 since I've been alive.
That might change this year. Okay.
So, yeah, total dumpster fire. Obviously, Judge's injury, he's back now, but they're just not a good baseball team.
They're awful. I think the Tigers have a better chance to make the playoffs right now than them.
Since Hal Steinbrenner said he's confused why fans are upset, they're 20 and 30, and since Brian Cashman said they're in it to win it, they're 5 and 12. And Aaron Boone said at this point in the season, his job is to go in and tell them, remember why you play baseball.
Remember how much fun you had playing baseball as a kid. That's always a great part of the season.
At least Aaron Judge is a Jordan athlete now, though. That's true.
He took the picture with the single ring that's not even a ring. That's the saddest picture that I've ever seen.
Ever. What is he holding? What ring is it? It's a Jordan brand ring.
It's not even like an all-star game appearance ring? No, it's a Jordan brand ring. It's not a home run derby ring? Yeah.
That's very sad. Yeah, it's not the second runner or no, what, third runner up for all-time home runs in a season? Yeah.
It should be the— No, I think it's way—it's actually a fit. It's the we lost the Astros in a cheating year ring.
Yeah. That's what he's holding up.
It's sad to see, as Yankees fans on this podcast— Yeah, the pinstripes. It's sad to see what's become of our beloved franchise.
See, if I were Aaron Boone, I'd give him more pinstripes. Yeah.
Just to remind him what they're playing for. I like that.
That's a good idea. Just walk in and just double the pinstripes.
Can you take away all the players' pinstripes during a season? Yeah. It's like Coach K did it with the massive D on the chest, right? They have to wear away jerseys at home.
Yeah, Max would love that. He hates Ds on chess.
It's actually... This is actually a really good thing for the future of the Yankees.
Because if they were good again,

they'd go to the ALCS and get swept by the Astros.

Now it ensures.

That's loser talk.

No, it's not.

Yeah, it is.

It's great loser talk.

You're a Yankees fan.

You should be winning championships every year.

Demand excellence.

Okay.

Every year.

But if you lose to the Astros one year in the ALCS,

you should go back next year and beat them.

Right. But they've tried that and they failed.
So how do you fix the Yankees? Ten words or less. Get your favorite player back.
Fire everyone. Domingo Harmon.
And build around Aaron Judge. Okay.
Ugh. What? I don't know if you want to build around Aaron Judge.
He's like 32, isn't he? They just signed him to a mega deal. I know.
That was a mistake. No, I mean, he was hurt, but he's still playing well.
Trade Aaron Judge? How old is Aaron Judge? He's a big guy, too. They don't age well.
I think he's 31. That swing's not built for longevity.
He's going to be 32 before next season. Okay.
He's got like 14 years left on his contract.

Yeah.

What they're going to do is they're going to run the same team back

and they're going to get Shohei.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Giancarlo's been

very bad.

Really hustling around third base.

That's maybe the funniest

clip of all time. Yeah.
It's been a disaster. So we'll see.
I don't know. We'll see if they actually fire Boone.
I can't look at you the same way after that paintball video. I'm sorry.
Something's changed forever. Got you.
My who's back is Dick Bigger Jr. He's back.
I don't know if you guys remember Dick Bigger Jr.

from the last election cycle.

He is a farmer from Illinois, from Bigsville, Illinois.

And he just likes getting his baseball signed by politicians.

So he was at the Illinois State Fair,

and he got his baseball signed by Governor Pritzker.

And I think he's got one from Obama.

He's just Dick Bigger Jr. That's a great name.
That's his real name? Yes. And his father was Dick Bigger Sr.
Dick Bigger Sr., yeah. And his mom was Dixie Bigger.
Dick Bigger III? Is there a Dick Bigger III? I don't know if he's had a child, but he's also from Bigsville. That's pretty cool.
That's a great dude. Dick Bigger, and he just wants to get his balls signed.
By politicians. Yes.
Not by baseball players. All right.
We all got somebody. Dick Bigger Jr so he does he hang out in iowa a lot is that what he does like during the primaries no yeah he lives like near the iowa illinois border um i think he just he was in a political ad last year but yeah he like kimmel had him i think maybe had him on but he's he's back he's like zach hample yeah except dick bigger dick bigger jr i like that junior kind of sucks for him it does it's tough because it implies there's a bigger dick out there right yeah it's like right there no dick bigger it was my father yeah right dixie bigger was my mom um yeah i just i gotta figure out what's going on in iowa how come iowa gets to vote first what the hell is going on we need to shut that place down until we figure it out.
It's huge for them. Yeah.

It's the only thing.

It's a big thing that they have.

It is.

Tight ends and voting way early.

Yeah.

And controlling the fate of America.

Corn.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Good.

Who's back, everyone?

Do we miss anything?

Little League World Series.

What about it?

It's back.

I get all my Little League World Series news from Rico Bosco, and apparently it's the worst product ever.

Yep.

Yep.

I've never seen anyone complain about something more than he complains about the World Series.

The umpires are good, though, right?

The umpires are really good.

The wave is good.

The wave is great.

I like how they get the umpires there because they're the best umpires in the business, right?

And the Mats just beat the Phillies, and they do the handshake lines afterwards.

Oh, wait.

Did they do it at the Little League World Series ballpark?

Just now, yeah.

Again, I'll say it again.

I say it every year.

The fact that they don't play that game on a Little League World Series diamond, like

such a miss.

Or with aluminum bats.

Yeah.

One game with fences like whatever it is, like 180.

The mound's up close too.

Yeah.

If they're 130.

It would be awesome.

You wouldn't watch?

I would definitely watch.

Yeah.

It'd be fucking sick.

It'd probably actually be a shutout.

It might be.

Yeah. So maybe we put the mound back.
The mound regular distance. Mound on second base.
Yeah. I like that.
Yeah. And then we just watch Dingers.
That'd be fucking awesome. Who says no? Do we have a Dinger's only update? I do it on Sunday nights.
Now I got to question everything with that. Why? I got to double check.
I got to fact check Jake's fact checking. Yeah, that's true.
You have the open form. He's got you.
Then open form then kill him have the open form i've given you guys open form since opening day i don't open forms well i don't know what you like who do you think we are i'm just saying you sent me a form and i'm gonna look at it you guys jake you're the rock of this podcast until a couple days ago your word was unassailable yeah and now it's like every we have to we got to get another jake we got to get a like a different jake to monitor the other jake yeah you're just gonna every time i see jake i'm gonna have to like never turn your back on him you just have to walk backwards when you say goodbye to him meme said there's one thing that we missed oh yeah um jets game some guy in the cardinals got his first major league hit oh yes did you guys see this Petezo this was maybe the funniest clip ever obviously a huge dickhead move but I also was like as a little bit of a dickhead I was like this rocks so the guy the Cardinals player gets his first hit ever and Pete Alonzo gets the ball because they throw it back in oh yeah and he just tossed it into the fucking stands yeah and he said afterwards he's

actually very honest he's like i had a brain fart which i get like because in the moment you're like this would be funny and then they had to go chase and try to find the ball it's so funny it happened to the cardinals too i love it so much so good he just was oh that's very funny game he gave him a bat and

he gave him an autographed

bat and a bottle of tequila.

Oh my god. Which is a terrible replacement.
Terrible. Tito Alonzo is also the biggest dickhead in all sports.
Really? Why? He's just a loser. His whole home run derby thing is so lame.
I agree with you on that. I think he's the most unlikable guy in all of professional sports.
I agree with you. If you don't win, I think that's a little dramatic.
It's maybe a little dramatic, but I do agree with the take. Polar Bear is an elite nickname.
Yeah, but if you have never won anything and you take the home run derby that seriously, that's a weird thing. He fucking launched that ball into the crowd.
It was so funny. That went halfway up that first deck.
Oh, my God. That's such a dickhead move.
I love it. Yeah, that was the thing the thing.
Like, when I saw it, everyone was getting really mad at him. I was like, wait, this kind of rule.
Like, if you can get the ball back, it rules. If you could never get the ball back, then it's a huge dickhead move.
I mean, it's a huge dickhead move no matter what. But it's kind of awesome in how unapologetically, like, douchebag it is.
It looked, yeah. Like, this guy, like, Pete Alonzo is a piece of shit for doing this.
Yeah, he should just wait just keep doing it somebody replied with a picture of trevor bauer throwing that ball over center field remember that yes that was insane that that actually trevor bauer's like killing it in japan i think yeah he's like doing something one era or something uh okay let's do our interviews we got a great interview we got moose johnson great interview with him talking ball and then we're going to follow it up with some baseball talk with Greg Maddox before we do that I wanted to talk to you guys about BetterHelp this podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp sponsored by BetterHelp sometimes we're faced with a crossroads in life and we don't know which path to take take. Maybe you're thinking about a career change or feeling like your relationship needs some TLC.
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Moose Johnston. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
Legend of the game. Three-time Super Bowl champion.
He is also the president of the USFL.

It is Daryl Moose

Johnston. And

first of all, can we call you Moose? That was my first

question right off the bat. Are we allowed to call you Moose?

We've never met until right now.

Is Moose okay?

Absolutely. Absolutely.

I love that. I'd like to call you just Moose.

Moose.

Yeah. How'd you get that nickname, by the way? Let's start there.
Do you remember Babe Laufenberg? Yeah. So Babe was our quarterback back in 89 and 90.
It's not a nickname that followed me from Syracuse. I think a lot of people thought it came from Syracuse.
But when we first got here to Dallas, in the running back group, we would kind of do stretch, pre-practice, and then we'd break out into individual. And the running backs were always at the far end of the field.
So as we came together for group, we'd all come jogging up. And, you know, all the other running backs were kind of smaller, even my backup Broderick Sargent.
He was like a short, stocky fireplug guy, like 5'10", 245. And Babe said, you look like a moose walking in a field of deer when you come jogging up for the second part of practice.
I mean, something as innocent as that, and it stuck like glue. I mean, it's a great nickname, especially for a fullback.
You couldn't have drawn up better. Yes, it is a fantastic, fantastic nickname.
So we want to talk about everything. I guess I'd like to start with your football career, which obviously was phenomenal um when you look back and you think about those Cowboys teams knowing how the Cowboys have not been back to that glory uh in many many years now uh do you look back and you're like man we were really fucking good because I think it's kind of getting lost in time just how good you know we're children of the 90 the 90s.
It was like, yeah, the Cowboys are just going to win the Super Bowl every year, it felt like. Yeah, it was amazing because when we first got here, obviously they were, you know, on a downturn, and I was part of Jimmy's first draft class with Troy and Mark Stepnowski and Tony Tolbert, and we were trying to kind of create our own identity from the 70s teams.
That was still the big talk was Roger and everything that they'd done in the 70s. So we were trying to create our own niche there.
And I don't think we really knew how good we were for several years. And it was kind of odd because I've always felt that Jimmy could kind of see of see the pieces in place um but he was i don't think he ever got enough credit and that's why i think it was really cool when he went into the hall of fame rick goslin was one of the guys that was was working to get him in there and he came at it from the general manager angle you know just what jimmy had done from a roster construction standpoint and i think that that's something that that he's never gotten the credit for.
Because if you look at those drafts, and not just the big Herschel Walker trade and what he did there to aggregate more picks, but just Jimmy rarely missed. And he was really, really good late in some of the rounds.
You know, Larry Brown, you know, just the guys that he was pulling in, Leon Lett, you know, later in the rounds, it became just, you know, unblockable guys. So he really kind of built that whole thing together.
And then for us, I think when the light bulb really went on was when Norv Turner came in. And then you could start to see the pieces of the puzzle kind of fit into place because we'd go in and we'd watch San Diego Charger film LA Ram film and you're looking around the room and you know the talents of the guys in the room and you're like wow we are we're gonna fit like seamless into this offense and so I think that that's when everybody got excited going into the 91 season was there a specific game that you can look back at where you just knew in the locker room? Like after the game, you're like, oh, this is different.

Like we're not just a good team anymore. We're a team that's going to be doing great things in the next few years.
I always go back to a game in 91. We were at RFK playing the Redskins, and they were 11-0, and we were 6-5.
and I think we went on the field late six minutes to go in the game, maybe early seven minutes to go in the game, and we were up 24-21, and our offense never left the field. We just ground the clock out.
So, you know, that was one for me where you kind of saw the potential. You know, if we don't beat ourselves, you know, we can hang with anybody right now.
And we were still young at the time. And then the 92 championship game in Candlestick was the one that really kind of announced that we were here.
You know, that was such a talented team. We were plus four in turnover ratio that day.
And we're still hanging on at the end of the game. I mean, that's how good San Francisco was that year.
And I've always told people that's probably the best game that that group ever played together as a team. It's funny you mentioned that game because I grew up in the Washington, D.C.
area. I grew up a Redskins fan.
That game was one of my very first sports – that season of Redskins football was one of my very first sports memories, and that is the distinct moment in time when I hated the Dallas Cowboys. When you beat us.
It was such a big game because it was – that team was like the talk of the town. You're right.
Undefeated. Ended up winning the Super Bowl that year.
Everything was Redskins football, and the Cowboys had the nerve to come in and beat us. So you might have made me cry.
I don't recall.

I was probably just more angry afterwards.

But that's the genesis of everybody's got their own.

I remember the first time I hated Dallas.

That happened to be mine.

You did have a great team, though.

And you guys had a lot of fun off the field.

We've had Michael Irvin on the podcast.

And he shared some stories about the White House with us.

Did you ever get an invite to the White House? I did not. What? Why not? Everybody's like, come on.
I honestly didn't. And it was actually one day at practice.
And I'm like, so where is this at? And they're like, it's right over there. I mean, you could see it from the practice facility.
So, yeah, we were – our group was a little bit different. We were beer and darts.
Yeah. So – Yeah.
Would you know, like, going to practice, and could you tell, like, oh, the guys were – they went after it last night. Like, Michael Irvin, you know, like we said, like PFT said, we talked to him.
Like, he always felt like a guy who could go forever and then show up and practice better than anyone else. Was that true? Absolutely.
That's why I never believed a lot of the stories that were out there. Right.
Because the guy who was practicing or working out at the facility that I saw on a day-to-day basis can't be doing the things that you're saying he's doing at night because nobody has that amount of energy. Nobody can bounce back from what you're saying he's doing.
Michael was the hardest worker on our team, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

He was the emotional heart and soul of the team.

When guys were out of the lineup, obviously we weren't as good.

But when Michael was out of the lineup, there was something really,

really different about our team.

We didn't have that thing.

When Eric Williams was out of the lineup, we didn't have our physicality.

Eric was one of the meanest guys that I've ever been around on a football field. So there were certain guys, ifs was out of the lineup we didn't have our physicality i mean eric was like one of the meanest guys that i've ever been around on a football field so there were certain guys if they were out of the lineup we lost a huge component of what those teams were about and for michael it was always about the passion for the game and you know he shared something with me you know he came and spoke to our guys uh during championship week up in canton for the usfl and i mean just knocked it out of the park i mean he went from talking to preaching um i mean in his love for the game and everything that he did and one of the things that used to drive me crazy you know when he's not on your team man he can get under your skin um but when he's your teammate i mean he's the greatest teammate you could ever have and when he gets up and he does the first down every time and he points, he said that came from college because we need to celebrate the little things.

You know, it's not just the touchdown.

You know, it's hard to move the ball down the field.

So why not celebrate on a first down because we're getting three more snaps?

And, you know, he starts to reveal some of the, you know, the reasons why and just, you know, how he approached the game from an emotional standpoint.

Just awesome stuff. Just awesome stuff.
He was so good for our players in the usfl to hear yeah you guys you had so much talent too on on those old cowboys teams and it felt like you had to have a combination of of guys that would keep things going like michael irvin he would have fun he would practice hard set the tone but tone. But there were some actual insane players on that team.

If you look back, the Charles Haley stories that we hear,

what was it like sharing a meeting room in a locker room with Charles Haley?

It was funny.

The day the trade happened, I was driving in,

and you hear kind of the details of the trade.

You're like, holy cow.

Because you've heard the stories.

You know, he's I mean, it was infamous, you know, throughout the league, you know, the Charles Haley stories. And, you know, we had the big hot tub over at Valley Ranch and I'm in there and I'm reading the newspaper and the door kind of creaks open and I look up and in walks Charles Haley.
You know, so I'm going to meet him like right out of the gate. And it could have been a greater guy.
And you've got your stories.

You know, there was a line that went through the, the, the locker room, you know, guys would just walk in and go, Hey, Charles is off his beds today. You know, steer clear.
He was just, he was, he was unbelievable, you know, in that situation, you know, just a completely different person. But when he was Charles, I mean, he was, he was another one.
He was a great teammate. I used to watch him and Mark Tuane stay after practice.
And Charles would, would teach Tuohy, you know, if I get to that landmark right there, you know, I've got you beat. So if you can beat me to that, the only thing you can do is counter back in front of you.
And I always ask Mark Tuane, I'm like, how did you make the Pro Bowl in your 12th and 13th season? And he would say, well, a lot of it had to do with the tackles that were in the NFC at the time. You know, Jumbo Elliott, Jim Covert.
I mean, it was Jim Lachey. I mean, it was unbelievable the guys that were playing tackle in the NFC.
But he said, Charles has helped me understand the game from the other side. And he's just, he was, he was another one.
He was a great teammate. I mean, that was, that was the final missing piece to those teams, and it shifted the power in the NFC from San Francisco to Dallas for a number of years once we got Charles.
So, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he was an all-time player, all-time guy.
Yeah. So I want to talk about the first two Super Bowls.
You ruined my birthday. I think you ruined PFT's birthday too.
We're January 30th, January 31st. So I think it was both those.
I think the first one was my birthday. The second one was his.
I did a whole birthday party and the game was over before, you know, like it was just the least exciting Super Bowl ever. Was there a moment that you could tell the Bills just kind of quit where you're like, oh, this is, this is over and follow up.
I'd assume you have some bills fans in your family. Did they hate you for that? Like you, you emasculated the bills.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was always a tough one because I know how much that franchise means to that community. And you know, I, I really do hope they win the Superbowl someday.
They had a chance against the Redskins and they had a chance against the Giants uh and they missed both of those so there was there was nobody cheering for you know they it the last two it's it's a local boy you know so I think I got a little bit but my parents got on a flight um to fly out to California the first go around they got booed as they got on the plane oh man everybody recognized them but then everybody was kind of cool. But it's a great fan base.
It's an awesome fan base. But the one thing I think people forget, that first Super Bowl, we had a blocked punt early in the game.
We went down 7-0 real quick. And it was just, it was one of the things that Jimmy did a great job of that week is, you know, you'll hear people say you got to keep everything as normal as you can, but it's a Super Bowl.
So how are you going to accomplish that? And I thought that our staff did an amazing job at kind of staying in our routine and keeping us comfortable. And I think that that paid huge dividends for us because I'm pretty sure we were the youngest team in the NFL at the time.
You know, Buffalo's got a very, very talented roster. This is their third Super Bowl in a row.
And even though we've beaten San Francisco, I think there's still some people that still don't think that we've arrived yet. You know, it's still, you know, this Buffalo team is pretty good.
And then to fall behind and bounce back the way we did, and to your point, kind of have that game pretty much in hand at halftime, you know, I think spoke a lot. The second time we played him, I remember watching the four falls of Buffalo and I think it was Steve Tasker.
And he said there was a moment in the game where over the last four years, you know, you had fought so hard and you'd know it was going to happen again. And it just like the life went out of us.
And it was amazing when he said that because we all felt that during that game because they were up at half. We'd come back and taken the lead and you could really just get a sense of we don't have anything else left in the tank.
I can't believe this is going happen to us again so that that there was an actual time on the field when we sensed that that that was it they didn't have anything left yeah did you give leon let any shit about getting caught from behind by don baby when he was sticking the ball out and celebrating i know you guys you knew that you were going to win but at the same time you got to be like dude high and tight right and mark stepnowski is still mad at him to this day because that would have been the largest uh margin of victory in super bowl history yeah cost everybody on that one yeah yeah yeah so it's just um it that was the same year as is thanksgiving too so he's got the game at thanksgiving against miami that's right And the nicest, quietest guy away from a football field and probably the worst guy you would want to see anything like that happen to. And he has the two biggest gaffes on probably the two biggest days of an NFL season.
Thanksgiving with Dallas hosting and the Super Bowl. And Leon has two of those plays where they'll go down in the history of the game.
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And now more Moose Johnson. I want to talk to you a little bit about the art of playing fullback because we love the fullback position.
It's kind of gone know a little bit away it might be coming back in different hybrid versions and all that but uh the 90s the 80s those were like the fullback heydays in our opinion you were a great fullback a great lead blocker you block for emmett smith all-time leading uh rusher and he gave a lot of credit to you for doing that talk to me about the art of playing fullback and uh and how you were able to block specifically for Emmett and his running style and how you adjusted your game to benefit the guy behind you that was getting all the stats yeah I think the big thing is it's it's not like you know playing the the y position uh end of line tight end or or even the H position, you know, kind of that offset wing, because, you know, you've closed the distance down. And there's technique there.
If you put me at the end of line, I really struggled. It took me a long time to kind of figure out hand placement, leverage, and all the kind of the fine techniques that go with blocking on the line of scrimmage.
When you block from the fullback position, it's really just a mentality. You know, we're eight yards apart.
We're going to run into each other. This is not going to feel great.
But, you know, it's, you know, I've got to continue to do this play after play after play until I try to break your will. And that's kind of where that whole thing comes from.
And so I've told people all the time, there's little tricks of the trade that you pick up and maybe become better doing certain things. But if you don't have the mentality and the will to go play after play after play and have one of the most violent collisions that happens on a football field, then you just can't play the position.
And then you start to, you know, as the linebacker scrapes, you know, you attack that back shoulder and you wheel him and you use his momentum. You're always pulling your hips out of the hole and turning guys, you know, to give Emmett.
I didn't have to give Emmett a whole lot of room, but I had to give him a little bit. And so you're finding all these little tricks that you could use when you're using the momentum of the guy you're blocking to your advantage to kind of help generate that separation.
You know, we would talk in the huddle all the time. We would talk all week getting ready for the game.
You know, Carl Banks, you know, was one of the, you know, I tell him it all the time. I said, listen, he's going to be right where he is when he lines up.
I'm going to try to cover him up as best I can, but I'm not moving him anywhere. I mean, it was like Carl Banks was cemented into the field at Giant Stadium.
You know, he was one of those guys you just didn't move. So we would always have conversations on what the block was going to look like.
And then when we watched the games together afterwards, you know, I would always ask him questions and he shared a ton of stuff with me where, you know, Hey, why didn't you stay play side on that? You know, you know, I bounced outside, everybody was going outside. And then there you go out the back door, not saying it wasn't a good decision.
You got 12 yards. But I'm just I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
And he's like, listen, he goes, even though you're only like two yards ahead of me, he goes, everything is completely different from the time you go by that until the time I go by that. You know, you can see right there, there's, you know, there's the three technique he's covered when you go by, but when I come by, he's got color on the outside.
So I got to go out the back door. So he got it to the point where I was comfortable cheating up a little bit and coming out of my stance a little bit slower.
So I would kind of get kind of the same look that he had. And then there were a number of times during our career later on that we were, we'd come out the back door together.
And, and he'd have a lead blocker when there was somebody there that there was nobody to block. So in your opinion, who is the greatest fullback of all time? Larry Zonka.
Okay. It's a good pick.
I was going to say Lorenzo Neal. I feel like Lorenzo should be in the hall of fame.
For the modern day guy. Yeah.
Like we talked about like the mentality and how hard that position is um you know for him to be able to play what 16 years at one of the most physical positions uh in the game of football and play at a high level for as long as he did I mean a lot of us we start to break down right it just your body just can't take anymore but yeah I don't know how Lorenzo did it I mean he never seemed to break down he never seemed to be carrying an injury yeah yeah uh so you are a very busy man we mentioned the USFL president you also are on our TV every Sunday uh so you are and you're a great broadcaster going into this season you know you're watching every game you're you're studying these guys. Do you have a team that you think is ready to make the jump, knowing the jump that you guys were able to make and what it takes? Do you have one of those teams where you're like, I'm very excited to watch this team, and I think this is the year they can kind of make that leap and put it all together? I think it's so hard nowadays because nobody stays together as long as we were able to.
I got to experience the first half of my career under the old business, and the second half of my career was under the new business. So, you know, that was a little bit different.
You got to see the challenges of keeping that team together and, you know, losing your key people. So I think that that's the big challenge with all the teams this year.
I think it's going to be interesting to see Philadelphia's jump. You know, I think that that's a team that took a tremendous jump from, from, you know, 20, 21 to 22.
What can they do from 22 to 23? They've had two really, really good drafts in a row. They're building some really good talent below.
It's going to be hard. You know, you get that quarterback on the big contract, and now you can't sign a lot of those key pieces.
And we see that through the history of the game when we have had good teams. You know, the Saints team that was really good with Drew, and Drew becomes the highest paid guy, and it's hard to fill those gaps.
And, you know, it's happened so many times that, you know, what happens now? How does Philadelphia take advantage of this window? That was one of the big things for me is really kind of getting to understand and believe in the windows of opportunity in the NFL based on that contract, that quarterback on a rookie contract, based on a number of different things, based on the four-year cycle of the NFL contract, giving them that fifth year. You know, you're creating all these different windows and how much talent can you get to overlap, you during those times to make your run that that's why I'm impressed with what Kansas City has done you know obviously they had it you know when Patrick was was on that rookie contract and they're going to get to do it then but but they've been able to sustain that which is is to me is really remarkable you know and you know Andy Reid's just done a fantastic job there just restocking those shelves every year and always seeming to find those key players that fit a spot for when somebody leaves.
I mean, you lose Tyreek Hill, and you go on and win a Super Bowl. I mean, it's just, like, nothing seems to phase Kansas City.
Yeah. What about a team that didn't make the playoffs last year that you think is going to get in this year? Oh, good question.
Thank you. Yeah, right.
That's a good one. Now, maybe some teams down the ladder that make a jump, but maybe they don't have a big push into the playoffs.
I think it's going to be interesting to see Justin Fields this year. Yes.
Getting some people around him to take some pressure off of him. We had them a bunch last year.
And when he gets consistent, he throws a great ball. It's just getting the consistency.
He's smart when he runs, but it's just so dangerous in today's game when you've got these quarterbacks that scramble as much as they do. I think Jalen Hurts is probably as good as anybody at it, being smart, but also being a tough guy.
We've all seen the shots of him working out and squatting over 600 pounds. So he's got the body type to do it.
But that'll be the big thing for Chicago. Obviously, everybody's looking at the Jets.
We had them last year late. It's hard to say that a team is one player away, but I tell you what, you watch the Jets last year.
They had a great defense. They got the offensive and defensive rookie of the year.
They got a really good offensive line. I mean, they legitimately are like a quarterback away.
I mean, that was the thing that held them back last year. And, you know, how much does Aaron Rodgers elevate that team? So if you were going to go to one that could make that jump, obviously, you know, everybody's talking about the Jets.
So I think that that'll be something interesting to watch. I'm also interested to see what Sean Payton does in Denver.
I'm a big Sean Payton fan. I just think he's a really, really good head coach.
It'll be interesting to see how he maximizes the talent he has out there. The one team that people are going to be mad you didn't mention, the Detroit Lions.
I'm mad. When you watch them play, can you see the difference? Oh, that's Dan Campbell's imprint on a team.
When you're watching a game, can you notice right away the difference between the tough teams, the teams that have that little grit to them, little shit to them, versus maybe the teams that don't? Absolutely. I've never been one of those guys that buys into a finesse offense.
I always take the defensive mentality. When somebody says, that guy's got a defensive mentality.
I would have put our offensive line up, or actually our entire offense, against anybody back in the day as being tough, physical. We could line up against any defense and take them on.
So I've always struggled with that part when people get into defensive

mentalities,

but I definitely think that there's a culture that you create that starts to

represent how you play on the field.

And that's what Dan has done.

And the reason I like Dan Campbell is Dan sees it the same way I do from the

inside out.

You know, you got to be able to run the football.

Well, you got to focus on the offensive line. You got to control everything there.
The games are always won and lost down in the trenches. You know, you got to have the skill players on the outside.
You got to have those guys that can make big plays. But if you can't control the line of scrimmage, protect your quarterback, or open up running lanes, then it doesn't really matter how talented you are at the skill position.
So you can see how he's methodically built this. But the thing that I really am impressed with Dan, if it's a player or even some of the guys on his staff that he felt weren't great fits, he doesn't waste time.
He moves on quickly. And he's been very deliberate in everything he's done.
So that's definitely an oversight on my part. Because, yeah, that game against Green Bay last year is kind of the culmination of what you're trying to build.
The game is meaningless. Something else has happened.
You don't got a chance to get to the playoffs, and you just go out and stick it to one of your division rivals and make sure that they don't go. Yeah.
Another team you didn't mention, some people might be mad about. I would actually agree with you, though.
Didn't mention the Patriots. And it's interesting because we can preface it by saying Bill Belichick, greatest coach of all time, right? Yep.
But for a headline grab, sounds like you're saying Patriots are maybe a couple seasons away. We had them a couple of times last year.
I didn't understand the whole co-offensive coordinator thing last year.

There's just – there seems to be just kind of a – they're out of sync a little bit from what they were back in the day.

And it's not – I mean, obviously Tom Brady, you know, makes you who you are and gives you the opportunity to do the amazing things that they did.

But there hasn't been that cohesiveness that you've seen from them. Um, just some unpatriot like things from time to time.
Um, so I, I just think that that's a tough division, you know, with the jets potentially being who they are, uh, you know, what Mike McDaniel did with the dolphins and how good he made them. And then you still got Buffalo.
So, you know, for a number of years,

the Patriots were able to feast on a very, very weak division,

and now they've got a very, very challenging division.

So that was what made our teams in the NFC East so good is, you know,

there was one year that year that you talked about with Washington at 14-2,

we were 11-5.

Philadelphia, I think, was 10-6 and missed the playoffs.

I don't think they got in. I think actually the saints got in at 10 and six instead of the philadelphia eagles so you know that's that that old iron sharpens iron kind of talk and and that's that's what the afc east is becoming now that that's going to be a very very challenging division top to bottom and i think it's going to be really interesting to see how the patriots hang in there with the other three for the first time.
This might be an obvious question, but I'm just curious. Take out the quarterback position.
If I had to tell you you get the best player at that specific position on your team, what position are you picking? Left tackle. Okay.
I was wondering if it was going to be like left tackle or maybe like a nose guard or edge rusher. We could even say cornerback.
Just shut down half of the field, but you're going left tackle all day. I'd go left.
I'd go open tackle. For me, obviously most guys are right-handed.
You're playing right-handed formationally, so, yeah, the left tackle becomes open. But for me, it's really the guy that's got the shortest edge, right? So you've got to be able to stand up on the outside.
So it would always be the guy protecting my quarterback on the blind side or the guy that's got the shortest edge, right? So, you know, you got to be able to stand up on the outside. So it would always be the guy, you know,

protecting my quarterback on the blind side or the guy that can rush, that can beat that guy.

Because I've seen the impact that Charles Haley can shift, you know,

the entire power structure of a team in a conference by changing.

Just, you know, watching what Vaughn Miller did, you know, Denver in the playoffs you know how these guys can take over games um you know it's that one position I think more so than a corner um you know they can you know maybe limit one of your top wide receivers maybe get your pick but when you got a guy that's that's generating you know sack fumbles you know speeding up that clock on the quarterback uh you know he's impacting the game on a much more frequent basis than one of your your potentially locked down corners yeah how about this one this is a really dumb question but it's also a very good question if you were to pick one player in the nfl that you would have to clone and play every single position on offense and defense who do you want who do you take first overall i can i can go first if you'd like. Good question.
Yeah, let me get an idea of what you're thinking. I'm going to go with Kittle.
I would take Kittle to play every single position. I think he's a good enough blocker, fast enough, strong enough.
He could probably throw. And then having him at linebacker, edge, I think you can get it done.
He's big enough. That's a good one.
That's a good one. I love the way he plays the game too.
We did a game years ago and

he took a guy in goal line

offense and took him all the way to the back and tipped

him and he's on top of him just

chuckling and we had him mic'd up and he's

just laughing. So I mean he just loves

playing the game. I was thinking

Kelsey. Okay.

Maybe not as

physical as

George is but I just I like his swagger he loves playing the game very very competitive but it's kind of funny we both went to the tight end position for both of those I would go Aaron Donald your line of full Kittles would not pillow block a line of full of full Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald couldn't cover anybody at cornerback.

He doesn't have to.

The line would get there so fast.

I don't know.

You don't even have to play the back half of the defense.

Could Aaron Donald pass the ball?

He doesn't have to.

They just run it.

With Aaron Donald as the fullback.

Aaron Donald as the fullback?

Yeah.

Just Aaron Donald up the middle.

I feel like a team of 22 Kittles.

We could air it out. We could air it out against Donals.
You wouldn't have the time. Yeah.
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I'm not of 22 Kelsey or 22 Kittles. We could air it out.
We could air it out against. You wouldn't have the time.
Yeah. Or in Donald's.
I also you would also have to be worried because like how many Aaron Donald's get kicked out of the game during the course of it. That's true.
Yeah. You take a full bench of Aaron Donald's.
Could Aaron Donald kick a field goal or punt? We don't know. I think we just go for to go for two every single time.
I say that you that you have Kittle snap it back almost like a punt depth to the other Kittle who then just throws the ball up in the air as far as he can downfield, lets the other Kittle go up and sky over Donald. I would just play all my Aaron Donald super deep, and then as soon as they snap the ball, have them go full sprint forward.
No one wants to catch that. I think we just fixed Madden.
They need to have this mode in the new madden welcome to the show moose this is what we do most days brainstorming yeah exactly uh i had one last question it's a roback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com promo code take use it 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers everything roback.com promo code take does emin smith ever just text you like hey thanks man we have stayed in touch more so than anybody else you know through those teams um every once in a while i'll get a random one hey how's things going yeah good in your world um so yeah you you do get it uh and it's i i always tell people you know it it's kind of odd um i don't know what the attraction was, but when I was at Syracuse, you remember the old USA Today? And on the back page, they had the college games and all that stuff. But they did a nice job with the high school football and everything.
And I was at Syracuse, and I'm reading about this kid from Escambia, Florida. And I just got intrigued by what he was doing at the high school level.
And then I started following following when I was at Florida. So it was really kind of weird that we ended up being on the same team and being teammates and running mates in the NFL because I was aware of him when he was a junior in high school.
So. When he said what he said at the Hall of Fame speech, you took care of me like I was your little brother.
That's always kind of been our relationship. So I I've always thought that that was like the perfect description because people always ask, you know, are you guys tight? You guys hang out together.
And you know, he really is. He's like, he's like my little brother.
Yeah. That's great.
Tara after you. If you, if you ever said anything negative about, yeah, I mean, I just, I, if I were Emmett Smith, like when I saw you, I would just, you know,

maybe a little bit longer of a hug and just a little whisper.

Like, Hey, thanks.

Thanks for everything.

Like, thank you so much.

Too long on a hug though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My last question as an announcer, I'm sure that you hear from all fan bases.

Like you hate my team.

Why don't you, why don't you talk about my team enough?

Why do you, it sounds like you're rooting against my team when you call the games which fan base do you actually hate oh hates hates a strong word it there's probably actually a little bit of jealousy or envy um but playing at the vet was like the hardest place to play um The Philly fans are tough. They're tough.
And those were great games.

Really, really good teams. So, you know, that's the one that the rivalry still exists.
And I think it's because they really hate Dallas. And I don't think they realize that, you know, we don't like them either, but we don't despise them as much as they despise us.
We don't show it, and I think that pisses them off. So we were doing a game one time in Philly, and, you know, I got my boards out, and I'm going over everything, and, you know, I'm just, you know, kind of chatting, making sure everything's set up, and all of a sudden it starts, and it starts to build.
Asshole. Ass build asshole and i look up to see what they're doing and they've got my picture on the jumbotron everybody started to do it and i have my super bowl ring on and this is before they had their first super bowl and i just put my super bowl ring up to the camera so they had it and that oh boy that was that was the wrong thing to do oh they probably respected that a little bit though i also think that philly they they don't really need anybody to hate them back they just they love hating everybody yeah but the the best compliment i can get is from a philadelphia eagles fan that says hated the cowboys hated your team but always respected the way you played the game like That, to me, is the best compliment I can get is when a Philly fan says, love the way you played the game.
Oh, last, last question about your broadcasting. Does Jerry ever text you and say, hey, take it easy on my guys? I feel like he would.
I've never really... There was one game, and here we go.
It was a Philly game. It was early on in Andy's tenure with the Eagles, and it was the year that Troy and I worked together.
So that's 2001, and we're doing Dallas-Philadelphia at home, and Philadelphia just bushwhacks them. I mean, I think it was 41-21 at the end of the game.
And, you know, for me, it's once the game starts, I don't see logos. I don't see colors.
I see good football and I see bad football. And Dallas played a lot of bad football that afternoon.
So he's never really come up to us afterwards and said, hey, you were a little bit hard on us. You know, hey, take it easy.
Hey, you know, don't forget, you know, we're all from the same family. I think he respects that we have to have our integrity when we do our job.
And, you know, if we're saying something negative, you know, it's because the team's not playing well. So he's always been great there.
He's never really kind of come back and said, hey, you guys got to take it easy on us. We're in a little bit of a transition right now from that 5-11 stretch for the next four years.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's just – it is funny because, you know, if you played for the Dallas Cowboys, you get a job in broadcasting.
So Jerry's doing something right. I mean, he's got you guys everywhere.
Everybody's – yeah, everybody always asks us about that. It was – because at that time, you know, I came out and Troy came out and Michael came out, Darren Woodson.
I mean, it was just like one after another. And, you know, we're at CBS and Fox and ESPN.
And, you know, everybody's like, well, what are you guys doing down there? And we don't have like a really intense, you know, media coverage like they do in Boston or they do in New York or they do in Chicago, Philadelphia. But the people that we do have in Dallas are very, very passionate and really, really good at what they do.
And so it was really kind of on the job training. You had an opportunity to host radio shows, to host TV shows.
But the biggest thing for me was, you know, postgame, you know, getting to answer a question on the fly, you know, right out of it and not saying something you're going to regret. You know, because sometimes after the game, you just say something stupid because you're pissed off if you've lost.
And, you know, I would ask him, I said, you know, if we win a game, you guys are never here. You never ask me about anything when we win.
But if we lose, you guys are all sitting around my locker waiting. And so, well, you're the only one who's honest and, you know, kind of tells, you know, what happened.
We want to know what happened. So, you know, that, that was one of the things that, you know, that meant a lot to me that, that, you know, if you're just honest with people about what, what they saw, and that's what you have to be careful about in broadcasting, you can't make stuff up.
You can't create something in the viewer's mind that is not actually happening on the field.

So when Dallas is out there playing horrible and you're doing the game, you know, that's that's just it's a tough day for Dallas. And you've got to let the Dallas fans know where they're where they're struggling a little bit today.
And when when we had troubles with it, you know, Troy showed me one because he gets it more than than I do. You know, he was doing Dallas all the time.

And he literally had two tweets that he snapped pictures of that were three minutes apart. And the first one said, why do you hate us so much? You know, you're an old Dallas Cowboy.
Every time we play Philly, you just bury us. I mean, you're so unfair.
The next one is from a Philly fan that says, you're such a homer. I can't believe you listen to your game.
Dallas doesn't do anything wrong during the course of the game. So it's never what we say.
It's what the fan hears. And it's amazing some of the things that they hear when they send stuff back to you.
Yeah, we're all dumb. We're all dumb.
Very, very dumb. Yeah, we're very dumb.
But Moose, this has been awesome. We'd love to have you back on anytime.
Talk some ball. You are a legend.
So thank you so much for giving us some of your time. No, my pleasure.
My son was so excited about this. He's been wondering.
He's like, he goes, man, they love spring football. They love the fullback position.
He goes, I can't believe I haven't asked to have you on yet. Yeah, we should have had you on a long time ago.
We did invent a stat for fullbacks, which is, it's kind of funny because you probably would be the all-time career leader in fullback assists which is a touchdown a running touchdown scored within five yards of the goal line where there's a fullback on the field as lead blocker because emits the all-time rushing touchdown score right yeah well that one year that he had uh he had 20 at 25 that one year 95 um and there was a bunch of them inside, probably inside the three.

Yeah.

Probably of the 25, I bet you about 15 of them were inside the three.

I'm just going to say, you are the all-time leader in fullback assists.

Yeah.

So, congratulations.

You also should be.

You should pretty use that on a broadcast, by the way.

Yeah.

And you also should be.

We'd love to invite you to be part of our committee for the Loman Trophy.

We give out the trophy for the best fullback in college football every year awesome so you're in it i do the dope down here in dallas with with everybody uh the dope walker war too okay that'll give me that'll give me two guys to watch yeah we'll be in touch with you and we'll get we'll get your vote for that yes awesome awesome all right well thanks so much moose appreciate it you got it guys thanks i really enjoyed, thanks so much, Moose. Appreciate it.
You got it, guys. Thanks.
I really enjoyed it. Thanks, man.
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I like that. I like that.
All right, so it's great to have you back on. Want to talk some ball.
Want to talk some baseball. I guess the first question that I had for you, because obviously this year has had all the rule changes, have you envisioned in your head what it would be like with the pitch clock if you had it when you were playing? Yeah, I kind of think it's more of a hitter's clock.
Personally, it speeds them up. You know, it seemed like we were always waiting on the hitter.
You know, they had their walk up song and they were stepping out and calling timeout all the time. So I think as a pitcher for me personally, it'd be great because I think it speeds the hitter up and kind of keeps the game moving.
I wish the pitcher would get a timeout for a bat when he needs one, but overall I like it. I think probably the biggest disadvantage is you get 15, 20, 25 pitches deep in an inning.
You kind of need a break and you're not going to get the breaks that you would normally get. Yeah.
Have you thought about how quickly you could get through a game though? I mean, some, some of the starts that you would have, you go out there and it felt like the game was over before it started. I think you could get through a game in the modern era going like, I don't know, like 45 minutes open to close.
Yeah. I mean, if the other pitcher throws a shutout, absolutely.

But hopefully that won't happen.

I just know back when I was pitching, it was always kind of,

your goal was always to just win the game,

but you had some secondary goals.

And obviously I'd try to have a game in under two hours.

That was always kind of a main goal of mine.

And with the shot clock now, I think it's very doable. Yeah.
I mean, you have a statistic named after you, the Maddox, when a pitcher throws a complete game in under 100 pitches. Do you get excited when that happens? Or is that something that's not even on your radar? Because I know I personally, like Kyle Hendricks did it a few years ago, and I was pumped to watch it.
I was like, oh, my God, he's about to do a Maddox. Like he's going to get all nine innings under 100 pitches.
Yeah, it's pretty cool. You know, it's a nice compliment.
I know the guy from Houston threw a no-hitter the other night, and they called that a Maddox. But I'm thinking, I never threw a no-hitter.
But I get the concept, and it's nice to be remembered and kind of stay in the game or hear your name when somebody does accomplish that. Yeah, what happens when somebody surpasses you for the all-time career lead in Maddox's? Do they get the name? Well, you know, all records are made to be broken, right? You know, I think I passed a few guys up in my career, and I'm sure there's probably some eighth grader right now that's going to do it as well.
Do you remember your best Maddox? I don't know if it was a Maddox or not, but it was a game in St. Louis against Mike Morgan.
I think it ended up being one to nothing. The game was like an hour and 45 minutes on getaway day.
So it was, you know, I just remember that day, that game stands out to me because, you know, you always, you feel like it's a pitcher. If I can throw it where I want to two out of three times, you have a really good chance to throw a shutout.
And, you know, that day it seemed like it was probably four out of five. So, you know, I remember that game especially because, you know because I got to face actually my buddy Mike Morgan, who I looked up to growing up.
He was also from Vegas, and I got to watch him pitch against my brother in high school a few times. A decade later, to be able to face him in St.
Louis was pretty special. One of the all-time great pitchers.
One of the great all-time ground-out pitchers, too. I heard somewhere, I think it was an interview that you did a long time ago, that you would even try to get people to ground out when you were up 0-2 on them.
Is that true? You know, it's just a philosophy that I had, and you try to pass it down. I think if you can sit in any room, and the hardest to hit in is 0-2.
So I figured that's the easiest count to throw a strike in. I was trying to keep the ball in front of the outfield pretty much every pitch, and I think the guys today are trying to get the hitter to swing and miss or take strike three.
So I think a different philosophy where whoever keeps the ball in front of the outfield the best is going to win as opposed to I got to make them miss the ball. Yeah.
Is there a picture nowadays that reminds you of you? Like who is the Greg Maddox of the 2020s? You know, you look for guys with the same type fastball, I think. Hendricks comes to mind, you know, in Chicago.
Bryce Elder in Atlanta kind of has the same type fastball I think Hendricks comes to mind you know in Chicago Bryce Elder in Atlanta kind of has the same type fastball so I think you just look for guys that you know kind of have the same movement that your fastball had back in the day. So one of my favorite things to do is look up random Greg Maddox stats I don't know if you ever if you're your stats, the crazy ones, but I had one that I wanted to throw out there and just get your take on.
So in your career, you faced 20,421 batters. And during those 20,000-plus batters, only 310 saw a 3-0 count, and of those10 177 were intentional walks so that means that you faced what is it 133 batters you let go to a 3-0 out of 20,000 batters 133 got 3-0 yeah I've seen that stat uh I didn't realize it was that high or that low, I should say.
I don't know how you say it. But, you know, it's just another philosophy that you have to get ahead.
And, you know, I always thought how many times do you see a pitcher 3-0 on a hitter and throws this perfect knee-high fastball right down the middle? You know, it happens every night. And my philosophy was I'm going to throw my 3-0 pitch 0-0 so I don't get the 3-0.
And, you know, I think the league hits something like 0-68 on first pitch strikes, so I was never afraid to throw a first pitch strike. I wasn't worried about trying to be too fine on the first pitch.
So I think that allowed me to get ahead of hitters and maybe throw up a number like that over a career yeah you've got some crazy stats out there but i think your career highlight greg is uh the play at the plate against pittsburgh where you were rounding third coming home and you danced around the catcher maybe the most athletic play i've ever seen in baseball on a baseball diamond was that is that something you had worked on like how to evade the catch did you ever find that you would find yourself in that situation I just remember coming down third thinking why the third base coach send me and then uh I didn't feel like running into the catcher so I don't know I don't know how it happened it was just one of those fluke things and uh uh you know not to knock the catcher but he's probably not the quickest guy in the league and I was able to get in there. You look like Kyrie out there.
You're doing spin moves on him, dancing around. It was great.
Well, thank you. Yeah.
So I'm not sure. I assume you still follow the game somewhat closely.
So talking about this year's Braves team and the World Series team a couple years ago, have you watched and been like, man, this would be an impossible lineup to pitch around? Because it does feel like they have so many guys that can hurt you top to bottom. Do you ever put yourself in that spot where you're like, man, this would be like, I don't know how pitchers do this night in and night out.
Yeah, I would have to. Yeah, you'd be watching a lot of extra video trying to crack that code.
that's for sure. You know, I did spend spring training with the Rangers this year.
My brother's a pitching coach over there, so I was happy to go down there and try to help him out and the rest of the team. And I've been following the Rangers a lot this year.
Have watched a couple Braves games, not many, but most of my focus this year has been on the Rangers. Yeah, they've had an incredible year.
This year in Major League Baseball has been awesome because it feels like a lot of teams that aren't perennial World Series contenders are now in the mix, especially in the AL. Yeah, they're sneaky good.
Chris Young's did a great great job he brought in a lot of pitching over there and uh the pitching's been a lot of it's hurt right now but when when when that pitching staff's healthy it's one of the tops in baseball and they're scoring a ton of runs i mean they've just been putting up a butt ton every night it seems like yeah yeah a lot of pitchers when they watch film like you alluded to they they get the cut up of every pitch that's coming in and just like rapid fire succession one right after the other you used to have the video guy cut it so i guess he wouldn't cut it he would show what the batter was doing in between pitches when he stepped out of the box is there something that you would look for in that yeah something you just you just look, I mean, you just, you watch to watch, you know, you're not really looking for anything in particular, just you might see something, you know, I think, you know, you might notice how they take their practice swings or where they stood the pitch before as opposed to the next pitch and just look for little things that maybe the hitter might be giving away. Like if he's looking outside or inside or hard or soft.
That's really the – just really basic things. But, you know, towards the end of my career, the video got better.
I used to like to put in the hitter's last 20 at-bats against right-handed pitchers. So you would see – you know, if you were to pick a hitter, you know, you might see him face the Phillies, the Mets and maybe Pittsburgh, something like that, whatever, you know, rotation they were in.
And I thought the last 20 at-bats were a good indicator of what they're going to do the next night when you face them. Yeah.
We have run out of ways to talk about Shohei Otani. So I would love for you to explain to us as someone who played the game at a Hall of Fame level for, you know, decades, what, when you watch him and you see what he's doing, just how shocking is it knowing what goes into the game? Well, what impresses me the most is I don't know how many times I threw seven, eight, nine innings and was too sore to take batting practice the next couple of days.
So I wouldn't even take batting practice just physically what he's able to do to be able to pitch a game. I mean, it was like a few weeks ago, he threw a shutout and then hit two home runs in the back end of a doubleheader.
Yeah. I mean, that that was physically he's extremely gifted.
The recovery that he has to have, you know, every day as opposed to most pitchers and hitters is off the charts incredible. And, you know, to be, you know, one of the best power hitters in the game, one of the best power pitchers in the game, it's just it's, you know, I would never imagine that somebody can do that.
And pretty special what he's doing. Do think that's harder for pitchers nowadays because they they have stack cast they've got all the advanced metrics especially when it comes to the strike zone so every umpire is getting graded on on their performance night in night out and they have it down to like the millimeter is it harder for for pitchers to work an umpire like you used to work the outside corner you would you would you know gradually move the pitches further further off and just you know completely frustrated nowadays i feel like it's tougher to do that well i think when you take into consideration the top half of the strike zone that there is one now i think when we pitched it was non-existent i think trust me i would much rather have the foot and a half up than maybe two or three inches off the plate.

I think the strike zone is a little bit bigger now than it was when we pitched.

Yes, we did get pitches a tad more off the plate than the guys get now,

but anything, you know, dick up was a ball for us.

And now you're seeing those pitches called, you know, chest high now,

and even balls slightly above the zone.

So I think being able to pitch up there would be a real bonus for a pitcher. So this may be something you don't think about at all, but I'm curious.
The Baseball Hall of Fame, you were a no-doubt Hall of Famer. Did it piss you off a little bit that you didn't get 100% of the vote? It's the most ridiculous thing in the world that Hall of Fame voters for specifically baseball feel like they try to prove a point where like oh we're not all going to vote for him first time you were the definition of a first ballot 100 hall of famer and it still was 97.2 or whatever it was yeah i think uh to be inducted is enough i mean you know I would have been happy getting in by one vote, to be honest with you.
You know, I'm not going to nitpick or feel sorry for myself because a couple guys have a rule that they won't vote for a guy their first year. So, you know, you can get 500 riders together.
There's going to be a lot of different opinions up there. And just to be selected, you know, first ballot's enough for me.
I would have looked up who didn't vote for me and sent them a letter. Maybe waited until they got out of their house and beamed them.
Yeah, it would have been nice to maybe, you know, say, what's up, man? You're going to vote for Chuck Jones and not me? We'll nitpick for you yeah that's bullshit that is bullshit yeah yeah uh what about the other guys that you pitched against i i feel like you know you get a lot of credit as as well you should you should get more credit because you pitched in an era you know the steroid era baseball was looking the other way you were pitching against some were, you know, they were bending the rules a little bit, but you went out there and you were, you know, the best pitcher of that era. Do you think that the guys that you went up against that maybe have been accused of steroids or accused of PEDs, do you think they should be in the Hall of Fame? Well, that's a good question.
You know, how many home runs would they have hit if they didn't take them? You know what I mean? I think, you know, Fred McGriff just got in. What did he hit? 497? Let's say Fred McGriff takes them.
Did he, does he hit 700? You know, I don't, I don't think it's fair to the guys that played clean. I think, you know, Bonds was definitely a sure ballot Hall of Famer before all the stuff came out.
And then, you know, it's just a matter of opinion. I think Clemens was a definite Hall of Famer, you know, at the time.
I think a lot of guys did things before they took him or might have taken him, however you want to say it. But there are definitely guys that had the careers they had just because they took them.

Yeah.

You know, so the answer is no, obviously. I think, you know, the answer is no.

There might be an exception here or there, but pretty much it's a no.

Could you tell maybe season to season when you're going up against a guy and you're like, oh, that seems different. Like, he looks different.
He hit the ball harder than he did last year. Yeah, you see it.
You see it. And then, you know, also I heard somewhere that when you take those, it also improves your eyesight.
So I think guys that maybe chased off speed out of the zone, chased a little bit less because your muscles get stronger and your eyes got a gazillion muscles in it. And if those muscles get stronger, you're also going to see better.
So I think there's a lot into it. And I think obviously when you hit a 380-foot fly ball and now it's going 400 feet, I think that's the obvious thing that you see out there.
But guys become better hitters also that have taken. Yeah, you mentioned Fred McGriff, the crime dog.
Great player. Awesome dude.
Your teammate. Great nickname.
You were teammates with him for a while. Did you ever bust his balls about the Tom Amansky defensive drills video where he'd be like i am fred griff yeah every chance we got every time we made a fundamental correct play whether it was a pfp or filled in a ground ball yeah we would uh we would draw his name all the time you know and ask freddie if he guaranteed it what what was your i mean you you were known as as ultimate clubhouse guy.
The stories about some of your pranks live on forever. What's one that you think back and maybe chuckle about like randomly? You're just like, oh, yeah, I did get that guy good.
Oh, well, a lot of it's a lot of it wasn't me. It seemed like I got blamed for everything.
I mean, especially now, it's like the longer you're out of the game, the more the stories get exaggerated. But we had fun, you know.
I think, you know, as a starting pitcher, you're really on the field for about an hour to an hour and a half every five days, you know. And you're spending the other four days, you know, just trying to enjoy the game and have fun, have fun with your teammates.
So, you know, there was, you know, you can't get away with it nowadays because the rules have changed, but you know, we tried to, we tried to bully one another the best we could and, and, you know, be offensive and obnoxious and all that stuff, but it was all in good fun and good way to pass the time and made a lot of good friends because of it.

Yeah.

So you're calling Tom Glavin a liar when he went on part of my take

and maybe insinuated at one point maybe they ran out of toilet paper

in the clubhouse.

Well, everybody will remember things a little bit of a different way.

Maybe his undershirt was hanging up real close to you at the time no i never did nothing glass close i always got even i never started anything but i always got even if somebody did something to me and hopefully i got them a little bit better than they got me like if someone pissed on you you'd piss on them back uh that could be a possibility but I was, I never first blood. I like that.
That's a good, just way to go about life. Like I'll never piss on a man that doesn't piss on me first.
Mutually assured destruction. That's perfect.
So I had, I had a couple of last questions, Greg. So last, last question is the rowback question.
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But do you have – you don't have to give us the winner, but maybe who you see after watching the majority of the season that you're like, that team has what it takes. Well, obviously the Braves, I think, are up there for me personally.
I think – I never count the Dodgers out. They always seem to have a very good chance to win it.
But my sleeper this year is Texas. You know, I'm staying with, you know, I think I'd love the odds on Texas this year.
You know, if I had money to bet, I'd go down and at least make sure I put something on them. Sounds like you have money to bet.
Well, I'm not allowed to bet it. Yeah.
True, true, true. My last question, you famously turned down the Yankees in favor of the Braves in terms of I think they maybe were offering you more money even.
You decided to go from the Cubs to the Braves. Is there something about playing in New York that you think, even nowadays, guys should be wary about when it comes to if it's a lifestyle or the media? Something that relates back to your decision when you decided, okay, it's a few more million dollars, but I value what Atlanta has to offer more than New York.
Well, yeah, at the time, you've got to realize this was 92, after the 92 season. And my main goal was, obviously, I wanted a good contract, but I wanted a chance to win a World Series ring.
And, you know, looking back in 92, the Braves were there in 90 and 91 or 91, 92, whatever it was. They were there two years in a row.
The Yankees weren't good yet. The Yankees didn't get good until a few years after that.
And, you know, my decision was made. Mostly I wanted a chance to get a ring.
I wanted to stay in the National League. I knew the league.
That was before Interleague at the time. And the Braves offered me a good contract.
So to me, it was a no-brainer. I would have loved to have played in New York.
Looking back, you know, I probably would have a few more rings, but I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't change the pass for anything. You know, I was happy with the decision I made at the time.
I'm still happy with it. And I would have loved to have played in New York.
I loved going to Shea Stadium all the time. I loved playing the Yankees, too.
So I love the city, but I felt like the National League was a better fit for me. And at the time, the Braves had a much better chance to get a ring than the Yankees did.
And you're a beloved baseball player, Hall of Famer. If you had played for the Yankees and won rings with Derek Jeter, I don't think you'd be as beloved.
I would hate you. I would hate you personally.
I would hate you. I'd hate your guts.
Well, there you have it. You made the right choice.
No. I love, you know, it was never about not wanting to play in New York.
It was more about what was better for me at the time and the goals I wanted to accomplish. And I just felt like Atlanta fit that better than New York did.
Yeah. All right, so my last, last question, we had Matt Olson from the Braves on a great interview.

And we asked him a question that I love asking professional athletes.

What is something that fans get wrong when they're watching the game or understanding

the game that like would frustrate a player?

Like this is not how it works.

Like this is a lot more difficult than you guys are letting on, or this is just an intricacy of the game that an average fan can't really pick up on. Yeah, I think probably when you see a hitter swing at a pitch that bounces, you know, a foot in front of the plate or it's two feet outside, you know, everyone goes, how can you swing at that? You know, I think until you've actually got a bat in your hand and you go up there and stand in against it and you're trying so hard to hit a 95 plus mile an hour fastball and you don't bit you get the curveball or the slider you can look pretty foolish at times and uh for me that's always been it you know it looks a lot easier to hit on TV than it does when you're standing up there actually facing a Randy Johnson or a Roger Clemens.
Yeah, that's a fair point. When is somebody going to invent a new pitch, by the way? I feel like it's been a few years since we saw the gyro ball.
You were instrumental in the circle change coming up. Do we have any new pitches coming through? Man, I don't know any.
I don't know any. I know some of those side armor guys can throw a curveball down low when it rises.
You know, I saw that a couple times. But for some reason, the hitters don't swing at it very often.
But, you know, they can actually make the ball rise. And I think, God, there's one guy doing it now.
I can't think of his name, though. know those side armors when they throw a curveball down there it actually rises to me that's pretty impressive.
Yeah, yeah. Well Mad Dog, thank you for coming on again.
We're going to have you back on soon enough that you remember this one. That's our promise.
Alright, appreciate it right. Thanks so much, man.
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Okay. Mount Rushmore time.
Oh, before we do Mount Rushmore, Hank, you're on vacation last week. Did you hear about the punishment for this year's picks that we're planning on doing? No.
Would you like to hear about it? Sure. Okay.
So we're going to changeiday preview a little bit we're gonna do we're gonna go back to what we did a few years ago where instead of doing four picks each we're gonna we're gonna talk about every game uh and then at the end we'll do two picks each so it's gonna be you only get one total and you get a spread so it's not gonna be you know how we how we were doing it the last two years where we were just going through our picks and that's how we're previewing it but so we always have a punishment we did the drive last year we did uh the bowling this year and you could you could say that we don't have to do this but this year the loser is going to have to put on a one hour show in Vegas to a live audience that we also live stream and they can't use like it can't be like Q&A. They can't do any of that.
PFT is only allowed to play one song on his guitar if he loses. Basically they have to put on like a magic stand up you know.
A one man show. It's a one man show.
Or you could do like one hour. You could do like an hour.
An hour. Is there a second place involvement here? Second place.
We've talked about producing it. Yeah.
Or the second place maybe has to do a 15 minute warm up set. Yeah.
That works. Opening act.
I like that. We already agreed on it, so you don't really have a set.
No, that's fine. Go ahead.
I think I do enjoy the second place pain. I think it's the funnest wrinkle.
15 minutes isn't really like that, especially when someone has to do an hour. You want 30? I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. 30-minute opening act? 15 is fine.
15 is fine. 30-minute opening act? 22 and a half.
22 and a half minute opening act? Like the length of a TV show. Yeah.
Yeah, no songs. No songs.
No songs. You're second place.
I should be allowed to do songs, though. No, everyone can do one song.
Can we sing like karaoke? Yeah, you can do one song. Okay.
For the opening act, you can do one song, but it has to be under three minutes. Yes.
And you can't just stand up there and do a Q&A. You can't use the audience like that.
Maybe you can do like three. If I lose, I'm going to learn an entire magic set.
Could you do like three? What is that face? You think I could do magic? Five-minute Q&A. That's disrespectful to the magician's career.
Think of a Super Bowl. Think of a Super Bowl.
36. No, no, no.
Think of a Super Bowl this year. Who's going to be in the Super Bowl? Shane Victorino.
Patriots. No, no.
You've got to think of it. I'm going to do...
Oh, it was the mentalist. Yeah, he just said he's predicting Patriots.
But you're the Patriots Eagles. That's what you were thinking.
You'd be using the crowd for this. Yeah, I mean, you could do that, but you can't do a Q&A.
I'm going to cut someone in half. Of course, I'm going to use the crowd.
If that's true, then... You said Patriots.
You were thinking Patriots Eagles. I would owe Hank $50,000.
I already know magic. Oh, we can talk about that bet now.
Yeah. Hank and I have a five-year Super Bowl bet.
If the Patriots don't get back to the Super Bowl in the next five years they have to just get there if they do get there in the next five years I owe Hank fifty thousand dollars if they don't he owes me 20 grand not a great bet massive yeah you were just feeling yourself you said you're in the zone you're like oh we'll be so good yeah no that was a bad that was a bad bet yeah it's exhilarating though but it will be on it'll be the best bet of all time it could if it hits yes it'll be a great bet yeah um okay should we do the mount rushmore we have the mount rushmore of wait that guy played on that team what are the standings this is three weeks left this is including we're including the paintball now which does does feel good that Jake didn't get any points in paint. Yeah.

Karma. Yeah.

Yeah.

Big Cotton PFC 27.

I want to just play the clip real quick.

Big Cotton PFC 27.

Hank and Max 26.

Us 23.

Surrender. Surrender.
Surrender.

Okay.

Got you. Jake, are you sure that you said okay? Because some people are saying that was Billy that said okay.
No, you could hear. I think a lot of people.
PFT, hold on. I got the clip right here.
Because I heard they got you at the end. Yeah, I got the clip right here.
Let's listen to it again. Surrender, surrender, surrender.
Okay. Got you.
I said surrender. I didn't say anything.
Oh, man. Jake, just say it was the fog of war, man.
Adrenaline's running. Right.
But I didn't say surrender. Okay, so what are the scores again? I didn't say anything.
We're up. We have 27.
27, 26, 23. All right, so what's our magic number? One less than it was last time? What? Asking what our magic number is? I mean, you guys.
Talking about how you dominated the last Mount Rushmore, you lost. Well, that was just people.
Listen, I can't. They should have put more respect on Jim Ross's name.
That's a fact. We came in second, right? Yeah, it's crazy.
So you hate our audience? No, Jim Ross.

They should have realized that's an all-time iconic clip.

I was disappointed in our audience.

Yes, I was.

I could say that.

I love our audience.

Okay.

You were drinking champagne before that.

Pandering bitch.

All right.

Came out.

Hank and Max, Big Cat and PFT.

You love our audience so much.

You're taking another vacation this weekend.

False.

Also, Billy didn't text me back

until 30 minutes ago, so memes helped me

with this one. Okay.
Alright, who's

got the first pick? Hank and Max,

Big Cat and PFT, us. Alright.

Hank and Max.

Hank and Max.

I, we, me

and Max. Oh!

This guy cooked

for you last week. What's the official title? Holy shit.
That guy played for that team. Yeah, this guy cooked for you last week.

What's the official title?

Holy shit.

That guy played for that team.

Yeah.

No.

Whoa.

I did not say shit.

No profanity on the graphics.

It's wait.

That guy played on that team?

Okay.

We will go.

This is the number one I think of when I think of this category.

Obviously, it's 1-1.

Kim Olajuwon on the Raptors. Okay.
It's a good pick. Yeah, we had that.
The pictures are shocking. Yeah, the pictures are ridiculous.
Yeah, it is. It is shocking.
Okay, so it's our pick next? Yes. I think we go with our 1-1.
Sure. Yeah, this is what I think of, and it also plays for this interview, this episode.
It's Emmitt Smith Cardinals. Yeah.
Emmitt Smith Cardinals, like every time I see that picture, I'm that picture I'm like what the fuck just stunning to look at yeah plays so long for one team and then the Cardinals of all teams that's the other thing the wrap that I like the Hakeem Olajuwon pick because also it has to be like a random enough team yeah and it also helps when the color of the uniform is shockingly different from the original one right Cowboys and Cardinals does Right. Okay.
Wrap around. Many people are saying Moose Johnson was the key to that rushing attack.
Yes. Emmitt Smith system running back.
Yes. Facts.
Okay. We are going to go with Joe Namath Rams.
Oh, okay. Was that a Billy pick? No, Billy didn't help.
That good pick what? you said he responded 30 minutes ago but the rule is within the hour yeah no he didn't no I literally said he said did you record yet and I said yes but don't send any options I want to stick to the rules okay Billy's living his best life not having to work on Sundays he's just so so happy. Billy's Jets tweets are going to be just so drunk.
Yeah. He also definitely is missing having dinner.
Yeah. He probably just doesn't eat dinner on Sunday.
Behind the scenes, like our dinner game has been off without Billy around. That's true.
Because we all wait till way too late to figure out like what's going for dinner. Billy would have been in the group chat at 9 a.m.
being like, what are we doing for dinner tonight? We need someone. Memes, you got to be the new Billy dinner guy.

He did this today, and it was weird.

Yeah, but you need to just step into that role.

Yeah, but also with Football Sunday starting,

it's like we're going to be in a group.

Yeah, true.

Okay, so Joe Namath Rams.

Joe Namath Rams.

He played his last year there.

I'll be honest.

I don't even remember any of Joe Namath's career.

I just remember that one game. Yeah.
No, he's a Jet. I remember the Susie Colbert thing Colbert Colbert Colbert Give me a kiss Susie You're so beautiful He's a thrower not a passer That's what I'm talking about Chad Pennington And then next we are going to go with Allen Iverson Grizzlies.
Okay. That's another good pick.
We had that as well. I think we go with the second guy on our list, Big Cat.
Oh, yeah. We'll go Jerry Rice on the Seahawks.
Makes no sense. No sense.
Especially because he's a division rival guy through and through, right? The whole thing. I mean, it was weird when he went to the Raiders.
That was strange. Right.
I think people remember that.

People remember that. He was there for a few years.
But the Raiders

is a cool jersey, and it's like, oh,

okay. Probably didn't have to move.
Yeah, right.

Probably live in the same house. Right, exactly.

The Seahawks made no fucking sense.

Nope. Yeah, and he was like 40.

And he was on the Broncos, too, but that was

like an offseason. I think he was there for a training camp.

He like showed up, gave a speech, and was like,

I'm out. Yeah.
Seahawks is the shocker. Okay.
You guys are up. We are going to go with Jerome Bettis on the Rams.
That was prior. Yeah.
Prior. Right.
Right. Yeah.
Okay. But it's crazy.
Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Good pick. Yeah.
Have you seen a picture of Jerome? Yeah. Yeah.
It's's crazy why are you saying saying it like that no I'm agreeing with you you said I mean yeah which means well it's a prior I remember prior to what there's no prior and post no there was yeah there was prior to the Steelers yeah he was on the ramps what he didn't finish what is the name of the Mount Rushmore wait I know I know. But it changed it when a guy was on a team first and then goes to the team that he's remembered.
I didn't realize there was a situation. No, you can do that.
It's a good pick. It's a good pick.
He's there for three years. He's there for three years? Yeah, three years.
That's a long time. Max? Wait, did he get drafted by them? He did get drafted by them.
Oh, okay. In the first round, yeah.
Oh, there's probably a picture, too. The first round? Did they take pictures of first round draft picks? Yeah, it's crazy.
There are people listening to this pod that are being like, wait, Jerome Bettis was on the Rams? Yeah, I mean, he was rookie of the year on the Rams. You literally had to ask if it was prior or former.
No, it was like prior. You literally were like, wait, prior, right? Which means you didn't know.
No, we knew. Okay, good pick.
All right, well, this fits your little criteria. No, there's no criteria.
Oh, you know what's great? He was actually first team all pro. Awesome.
No one knows of Jerome Bettis on the Rams, except for people who are 90 years old. He didn't play that long ago, you fucking idiot.
When did you think Jerome Bettis played?

For the Rams 90 years ago.

For the Rams 90 years ago.

It was a long time ago.

It's not a bad pick.

In fact, I like the creativity of taking a guy, a prior, who was also outstanding on

that team.

What is the name of the category?

I had that guy played on that.

I was thinking of a pick that wouldn't have played

because he didn't actually play for them,

but Scottie Pippen's Supersonics

because he got drafted by the Sonics.

He put on the hat.

Yeah, you could do a million guys like that.

Yeah, that's a different amount of rush for.

Our next pick, fitting your super specific criteria.

No, there's no criteria.

It's a good pick.

What did you say?

All pro and rookie of the year?

He was a rookie that was rookie of the year and also the only rookie all criteria. It's a good pick.
He won. What did you say? All pro and rookie of the year? Oh, he won.

He was a rookie that was rookie of the year and also the only rookie all pro.

And his first round draft.

First round draft.

At Notre Dame.

At Notre Dame, yeah.

Nomar Garcia Parra, Oakland Athletics.

Oh, that's good.

I like that.

That's a good one.

Because people thought you were going to do Cubs, but it's not.

No, he played for the Cubs for a while.

He played for the Dodgers for a while.

He played one season.

The A's was not good.

It was his last year.

Yeah, that's a good pick.

169 at-bats. I was getting ready to denigrate it if you had said Dodgers.
Like everyone remembers that. But no, you're right.
Good pick. I know.
That one was a great pick. Both of them were great.
That one I did not know that. So that was a good pick.
That was a fun fact. Okay.
A lot. Okay.
I like number 16, 18 on our list. And wait, should we go back? we go back you had 16 17 18 murderers row right there and 20 also plays I did not know that one uh are you pick you pick out one of those those are all we're gonna go we're gonna go with King Griffey Jr.
on the White Sox yes whoa. Whoa.
Yeah. Whoa.
Did you hear that?

Hear that?

That shocked him.

That shocked him.

The Reds Mariners.

Jake, did you know that Jerome Bettis played on the Rams?

Not until this morning when I looked it up.

There we go.

Why is Jake?

Jake is the least honest person here. Oh, my God.

You literally went to the biggest

liar we've got.

Jake, we still love you.

Jake is about to offer himself.

Jake, we do love you. We don't

trust you, but we love you.

You gotta build trust back.

I know. I'm glad you're giving me

the second chance. A lot of people.
It's one strike

rule. Especially on this podcast.
Yeah, right. Billy only had one strike.
Billy was like a T-ball player. You can't strike out.
It was a four-year strike. Just walk him.
Okay. All right.
Ken Griffey, White Sox, our next pick. Yeah.
Yeah, that was really good. Thank you.
Thanks. I'm going to go.
We. We are going to go with.
Well, no. Billy didn't help you.
No memes. We have a new rule.
Yeah. It's going to help if Billy doesn't.
Yeah. Because otherwise, it's a three-man team.
Yeah. We're going to go with David Ortiz, Minnesota Twins.
Oh, it's prior. Prior.
We're going to prior. Okay.
I won. Okay.
I didn't know he was on the Minnesota Twins. Don't let him talk to you like this.
No, it's a good pick. Good pick, Jake.
Prior. Yeah.
Remember when they felt that they won the last one? Don't let him talk to you like that. Listen, I just said, all I said was the word prior, you fucking idiot.
You can't say the word prior? yeah it's fine prior but holy shit or sorry wait he played on wait david ortiz played on the twins yeah that that hits yeah i bet a lot of people don't know that yeah all right did you know that hank well obviously i'm sure i'm doing a darren revell twitter poll uh hank did you know that okay and our final pick oh there's a lot of good names so there's a lot it's a long list here shock us jake come on kurt warner giants oh yeah that's that's an in-betweener yep in-between. Are we allowed to say that, Max? Not a poster.
Are we allowed to say in-betweener? Yeah, it's fine. Rams and Cardinals.
It's like in between two tits. Are we allowed to say that? No.
Okay. All right.
Yeah. Yeah.
He did play for the Giants for a year. Yeah.
Didn't Eli come in off the bench? Yeah. I think Eli was his backup.
Yeah. I remember Kurt Warner in New York.
The only thing memorable he did was fumble the ball like a thousand times. And he looked so cold.
Yeah. He looked so cold.
Well, he hates playing outdoors. He hates playing outdoors.
So cold. He hates anybody playing outdoors.
Yeah. Okay.
I kind of like that 20 pick because that one shocked me. But I'm going to let you.
I would go

16, 18, or 20. I'll put it to you.

18's a lucky number.

Manny Ramirez

on the Rays.

I had no idea. Double Rays.
I had no idea.

I guess it was the Double Rays. I had no idea.

So I'll put Double Rays on the ground. He actually got popped.

I had no idea. That's when he got popped.

If you had asked me that, I would never have guessed that.

Just seeing him in a Rays jersey.

Red Sox and Dodgers, is that it?

Plus Rays?

He was on the Rays.

He was playing well.

White Sox, too.

Was he?

I'm pretty sure.

Once he started playing with the Dodgers, he played for a little bit.

He started on the Indians.

Yeah, he played on the White Sox 2010.

And then he played on the Rays his last year. The White Sox, I knew the Rays I had, if you had asked me, I never would have guessed that.
Whoa. Oh, no.
I think it was the Rays, not Devil Rays. Are they changing? Because he's in the newer logo.
Yeah, that's where he was taking the female fertility drug. The players in the jerseys, that would kind of slap.
It might be harder to see, right? To squeeze them in there yeah it might be tough yeah all right well there should be a thread though we should do a thread after yeah okay you guys have last pick yep this has been a very strong mount rush we're all around i don't know how this is gonna go you know it's all of them are very good picks so with that being said our last pick will be r the Titans. Oh, okay.
Okay. You didn't go Niners.
Yeah, we had Niners on our list for Randy Moss. I kind of remember that.
And, you know, he played Raiders, Niners. Yeah, he bounced around.
But Titans. He went back to the Vikings, right? Yeah.
And there was a barbecue situation. Yeah.
Was that on the Vikings? I think so. So if I remember correctly, in the locker room, they had this barbecue caterer that showed up, and Randy Moss did not think that the barbecue was very good, and then they cut him because he was rude to the barbecue caterers.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right. That's a good pick.
Thank you. All right.
What do we have? I think this could be the tightest pole. Yeah.
It's a three-way coin flip. And we have a lot of honorable mentions.
Kevin Durant on the Sonics. Yep.
I wanted to do Jeff Green on the Sonics. Ooh.
Yeah. Everyone kind of remembers Kevin Durant, but Jeff Green also was on that one year.
PFT and I thought one of you guys would slip up and do either MJ Wizards, which obviously everyone knows. Everyone knows.
And also Joe Montana Chiefs, because they went to the AFC Championship. I don't think I knew that until they talked about it in the Super Bowl storyline.
Yeah. Sean Alexander on the Redskins.
Yeah. The Redskins have a shitload.
I forgot about that one. That's crazy.
TJ Duckett on the Redskins. Albert Hainsworth on the Redskins.
McNabb before he went to the Vikings. Yeah, McNabb on the Vikings.
I saw McNabb's. I went to the game Bears-Vikings.

I think it was Monday Night Football McNabb,

and he was just throwing the ball like five yards into the dirt.

Yeah.

I was just like, this is so sad.

It was sad.

It was very sad at the end.

Shanahan benched him for being fat

and then had to make up a different word for fat to use in the news.

He was like, it's his cardiovascular endurance that's the issue.

Yeah.

I had a couple personal ones.

Sammy Sosa on the Orioles and Rangers. Yep.
Yep. We had that.
Devin Hester on the Seahawks. Mm-hmm.
Cutler on the Dolphins. He had a couple of Monday night games, though, that were memorable enough.
Ocho Cinco on the Patriots. They did make a Super Bowl with him, though.
Yep. Shaq on the Celtics.
But I think people talk about Shaq in all the places. You could do a full Mount Rushmore.
And he played everywhere. And he also did a nickname everywhere.
Yeah, the big shamrock. Yeah, so it kind of stuck.
Ed Reed on the Jets. Ed Reed on the Jets was a big one, yeah.
He was on the Texans? Yeah, we had that on the list. Oh, shit.
T.O. on the Seahawks or the Bengals.
Or the Bills. Or the Bills.
I remember Bills. Yeah.
Because they called it. He like, I remember there was a quote.
You went from America's team to North America's team. Yeah.
Patrick Ewing on the Sonics and Magic. Yeah.
I remember the Magic. I do not remember the Sonics, which is weird because the Magic was the last team he played for.
Eddie George on the Cowboys. Yep.
Pete Rose on the Expos. Mm-hmm.
Played for like 50 games. Vlad Guerrero was on the Orioles too.
Yeah. Yep.
Yeah. Mike Piazza, Oakland A's.
Oh, whoa. Whoa.
That's a good one. Is that a prior? No, it was post.
Post the Mets. Yeah, prior was Dodgers, right? Yeah, he finished his career days.
We basically just did Immaculate Grid. Oh, and I'm addicted to immaculate grids if you put anything on a grid I'll look it up um who else anyone else that we missed I mean the way this hall got sparked I would have said Dwayne Wade on the Cavs yeah yeah I already talked about it Bobby Orr played for the Blackhawks there's some old ones that are uh we did the Johnny Unitas one on You could do a full one.
Oh, no, Johnny Unitas on the Chargers. Yeah.
You could do a full one of Yeramir Yager, too. Yeah.
Yeah. There's some great ones out there.
Okay. Good Mount Rushmore.
This threat is going to just blow people's minds. Yeah.
It actually, like, hurts my brain to look at some of these guys. Yeah, Jerome Bettis.
Yeah, that would be a wild one. Make sure when you post Jerome Bettis memes, it says rookie of the year.
And first team all pro. How many put his stats on there, too? You guys are the worst.
No, you're the worst. I wonder what he got traded for.
Let's see. Jerome Bettis Rams.
Oh, and what would become one of the more lopsided trades in NFL history? Bettis was traded to the Steelers with a third round pick in exchange for a second round pick and fourth round pick. That's a pretty lopsided trade.
Yeah. Some would say the most lopsided trade in NFL history.

We probably missed so many that people are going to say afterwards.

Actually, you know what's a good prior?

Drew Brees Chargers.

Yeah.

I mean, obviously, it was like a big deal, but he's so synonymous with the Saints.

Well, yeah.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I didn't pick it.

Randall Cunningham on the Cowboys. Yeah.
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
I didn't pick it. Randall Cunningham on the Cowboys.

Yeah.

Oh, that's a good one.

Yeah.

That's a very good one.

Randy Johnson on the Giants.

Oh, Kerry Wood on the Yankees bothered me.

Yeah.

The Indians, for some reason, was like, ah, whatever.

But the Yankees for that one year was like, what the fuck?

Mark Sanchez on the Washington football team.

Mark Sanchez on the Bears. Yeah.
And the Eagles. And the Eagles.
Damn. He bopped around.
Okay. Great show, boys.
Deion on the Redskins. Great to have you back.
Great to be back. Great to have you back.
Yeah, I miss you too, Hank. I miss you so much.
I hung out with Hank all day. Hank.
Oh, what'd you guys do? You guys just played? I didn't see what Hank's score was on the final scorecard. We played golf.
Me and PFT were on a team. Our team won.
It was a great time. Yeah, what'd you shoot, though? Because I didn't see what you shot at the end.
It was like a 105. Oh, that's cool.
Was like a 105? Yeah. That's good because I've never broken a 100.
That sounds like a 112. I've never.
I mean, there was some gimme's, but. I've never broken 100 before, so you probably beat me then.
No, PFT played the round of a lifetime. I almost broke 99 today.
Shot of a lifetime. That's how good I played.
Came one stroke away from breaking 99. You had over 98 and a half strokes.
I did. I did.
But just, I fucking wish I could break 99. Damn.
Every golfer's dream. You will.
You will. One day.
Okay. Numbers.
18. 99.
You son of a bitch. 69.
Fuck you, Hank. 20.
Good one. Memes has got three.
Memes, you ever gotten it? I'll go eight for the amount of hits of marijuana Hank smoked today. Shane has 10.
You're back.

My boy's back. Let's be very clear.

My boy is back.

I quit possessing it.

Someone pass it.

Someone pass it to me.

I have no choice.

I had that happen to me last night, too.

I was like Michael Scott.

What was the concert he went to?

Alicia Keys.

Yeah.

I got past cigarettes.

I started coughing up my lung.

I was like, that was a mistake.

That's going to cost me. Okay.
84. Jerry Rice, right? Jerry Rice is 81? 84.
No, he was 80. 80, of course.
80. Randy Moss was 84.
Yeah. I don't have a fact.
You don't have a fact. I love you guys.

PFT beat Hank and Golf.

Whales can fly.

That's a good pick, Max.

Mine was good.

Mine was PFT beat Hank and Golf today. Oh, good fact.

Animal fact.

Hank and PFT won.

Animal fact.

I had a birdie, which is a type of animal,

and then that made me almost break 99.

Yeah. And Hank didn't.
Did you have any birdies? shit, birdies are hard I guess love you guys I've been talking away I don't know what to say I'd say it anyway today is another day to find you shying away I'll be coming for your love of drink Shying away I'll be coming for your love of drink Take on me Take on me Take me out. Take me off Take me off Take me off

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Take me off Take me off Take me off Outro Music Drink me up, drink me up I'll do it again, I'll do it again I'll do it again, I'll do it again Please let me stay, here's your life Just wave my breath, please wait You are the things I've got to remember. Keep shining away.
I'll be coming for you, Billy. Take on me.
Take on me. Take on me.
Take on me. Take me.
Take on up. I'll bring you Take on me Take on me Take on me Take on me Take on me Stay in the car Take me on

Take me on

I'll be good